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Who is Ram Das?
According to his brochures, he is a.k.a. Richard Alpert, PhD, and is
somehow associated with the:
Seva Foundation
8 N. San Pedro Road
San Rafael, CA 94903
and the:
Hanuman Foundation
524 San Anselmo Ave #203
San Anselmo, CA 94960
He speaks publically on such topics as "Consciousness & Current
Events," and has written some books and recorded some tapes on
similar subjects.
Why do I care? My wife wants to go to one of his lectures. When
I asked why, she said Ram Das was "the greatest spiritual leader
of our time!"
Several years ago my wife got involved with a religious cult, and
we went through 9 months of hell that almost ended our marriage
before she quit. Let's just say I'm concerned about this Ram Das
and her interest, especially so with the recent religious cult
events from Texas. I need information - solid and real - so I
know what I'm dealing with.
If you have any information about Ram Das or the organizations
shown above, I would be very interested in your correspondence.
Please reply via e-mail to me at: scott%hpsdde@SDD.HP.COM
Thank you!
-- Scott Roleson
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I would like to find a Windows 3.x driver for a video board that is
based on the Chips & Technologies chipset. The actual board is a
Scorpion Framegrabber made by Univision. It is based on the C&T
chipset, but only barely supports the graphics mode. I am hoping that
any C&T driver could be used in the 640x480x256 mode.
Thanks.
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Well tell us about your pool table!
-=- Andy -=-
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For those who didn't figure it out, the below message was a reply to another
in sci.crypt, for which the poster put t.p.g. in the Followup-To line. I
didn't notice that. Apologies to those who were confused.
The substance makes little sense unless one reads the prior messages.
However, I don't wish to enter into this discussion here, as it will be yet
another rehearsal of a long-tired set of arguments. Suffice it to say that I
disagree both with the interpretation of "well-regulated" in the Second
Amendment offered by gun lovers, and what I think to be their distortion of
the same phrase in the associated Federalist papers. My Webster and my
reading of the language convinces me that the word meant both under control,
and disciplined, and not 'of good marksmanship'. I think the latter a
special interest pleading. No one has yet shown a contemporateous reference
in which "well regulated" unambiguously meant 'of good marksmanship', and
not under control/disciplined, etc.
Thus I continue to believe the Second Amendment is a militia clause and not
an 'arming everyone' clause. Others are welcome to disagree (as I know many
do) and little would be served by rehashing this topic in this particular
forum.
To avoid flames, or unproductive rehashings, I note that I've come in here
to post this one message, just to clarify the one below. I'm now outta here
again though I'm available via e-mail.
David
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The battery goes dead primarily becaust the floor is cold. The temperature
combined with self-discharge promotes sulfation which ruins the plates of
the battery. I strongly suspect that the only reason the battery doesn't
go dead as quickly on a dirt surface is because cement tends to be quite
cooler.
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It's not scriptural, but comes from the patristic age, I think:
something about "amare errantem, interficere errorem", which sounds
more like "love the errant, slay the error". No doubt someone else
will know in particular who minted the phrase. If I had to guess, I'd
blame :-) St Augustine, who seems to have had a gift for aphorism.
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The Attorney General publishes the number of court-ordered taps each year.
It isn't enough (around a thousand) for the average non-crook, non-spy to
worry about. In fact, considering any reasonable guess about the number of
big-time crooks and spies around, it may not be enough even for most crooks
and spies to worry about.
There's no reason to believe that it will go up with Clipper, since the
number of taps now includes many targets too stupid to use encryption (based
on the playbacks we've heard in court cases).
David
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[Note the "Followup-To" redirect(s) to alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc.]
(Timothy J Brent) said in response to P.VASILION:
(1) You have no evidence that David Koresh or his followers were
"packing" that heavy weaponry with any intent to use for other that
recreational and self-defense purposes.
(2) Your statement that "the public also has rights" is correct only is
parsed as "the individuals who comprise the public also have rights."
There is no separate rights-bearing entity known as "the public".
(3) Since the "rights of the public" of which you spoke are in fact only
rights of individuals, the statement that the rights of the public
should be placed above the rights of the individual has no meaning.
(4) You have artificially created an illusionary conflict of
individuals' rights when you speak of "my right to rape your daughter."
No person has the right to rape another person, therefore there is no
conflict.
(5) How do you define "society?" Do you hold that this "society" is a
rights-bearing entity which is separate from any individual people? How
do you define a "threat to society?" To what extent do you believe that
a person loses his rights when he is declared (by whom?) to be such a
threat?
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One of the things going for the DX2-66 (over the 50) is that it's
clock speed complies with the VESA local bus spec.
Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)
Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.
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>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released
>non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building.
Non-toxic tear gas?!? Do you know what tear gas is?
I do: once upon a time I happened to be in a room when someone threw
a tear-gas grenade in (that was supposed to be a joke:). The sensation
was incredible: I felt my eyes and nostrils were being torn apart.
I remember us - a bunch of young men in our early 20's - running out
like a herd of wild animals, knocking down the door and jumping
out of the windows (thank G-d we were on the first floor).
I can't imagine this kind of stuff being used against children.
For them, the worst effect might not be the physical effects so much
as the psychological effect of being incapacitated without fully
understanding the cause. Many years ago, I was accidentally exposed
to a tiny dose of tear gas. (It was in Athens, on the street leading
to the American Embassy; there'd been a march that had been broken up
with tear-gas; I must have stumbled into a remaining patch of gas the
next day.) Aside from the tears, feeling sick to my stomach, etc.,
the really horrible psychological effect was that of suddenly falling
to pieces and not knowing why it had happened---I was horrified and
wondered what disease or other health problem I had. (I didn't find
out about the march and the tear-gas till hours later.) I can imagine
how horribly disorienting this might be to very young children:
suddenly crying uncontrollably and feeling sick, weak, and out of
control of your body---and not knowing the cause.
``This gives us a chance to try the Gas of Peace.'' Yeah, right.
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I'd like to field this one, if I may. Although I am a believer in and follower
of Christ, my experiences with religion haven't been all that positive. In
fact, there was one point in my life when, for about three days, I simply
_couldn't_ believe in the existence of God. Anyway, when I look back upon the
troubles I've had, they seem to fall into two categories -- impulses to
unbelief that resulted from logical contradictions, and impulses to unbelief
that resulted from frustration with God.
The first category doesn't occur to me much anymore, as I have worked through
most of the arguments for the non-existence of God. But way back when, these
would cause me some problems, and I would have to struggle with my faith to
continue to believe. I can see where others less stubborn than I (and I do
mean stubborn. Stubborness has often been the only thing standing between
me an atheism from time to time) would fail.
The second category arises out of some long-term personal difficulties and
the struggle to live my life as God would have me live it WITHOUT living my
life as others would tell me how God would have me live it. A good example of
this is my struggle with the more radical Christians I meet. I am not, nor
have I ever been, "on fire for Chirst," and I don't think I ever want to be.
Nevertheless, I am not "lukewarm" about my faith, so I don't really
fit in with the mainstream either. Quite naturally, I feel a lot of anxiety
about my dislocation within Christian society, and it can lead to a lot of
internal tension, when I want to do what I _know_ is right,
but when another part of me believes that what I want to do is wrong because
all the other Christians think so to. Quite naturally, this tension has a
destructive effect on my relationship with God, and during all of this internal
strife, there's atheism sitting there like the promised land -- no rules, no
responsibilities, no need to live up to anyone's expectations but my own.
Complete freedom. Of course, it's all an illusion, but nevertheless, it's a
very appealing illusion, especially when the so-called "people of God" are
behaving like total twits. I can easily understand why someone would go
that route, and would be hostile to ever coming back.
IMHO, many of the former-Christians-turned-atheists-who-are-now-actively-
hostile-to-Christianity are so because their experience with Christ and God
wasn't a very peaceful one, but one of mind-control and "shut-up-and-do-what-
you're-told-because-we-know-what's-best-for-you-because-it's-God's-will-and-
you're-to-young-to-know-what-God's-will-is-yet" courtesy of some of Christ's
more overzealous followers.
A final reason why people become atheists is because Christians do not have a
very good reputation right now. One of the things that attracted people to
Christianity in the ancient days was the love that Christians obviously had
for one another and the world around them. Unlike the rest of the world,
Christian communities actively cared for their poor, and the Christian rich
did not trod on the backs of their poorer brothers, but bent down to help
them. Christians were known for living exemplary lives, even if they were
thought to be traitors to the state because they wouldn't sacrifice to the
emporer. Nowadays, courtesy of the media and some Christian leaders who lost
Christ on their way to power, people see Christians as sexually-repressed
hippocritical busibodies who want to remake society into a facist version of
their own moral view.
There are a lot more reasons why people become atheists, but I don't have time
to go into them right now.
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I have a nice VXC Moniterm 19 in B/W monitor, formerly used on an ATARI ST.
I think such monitors are / have been used on macs.
Can someone tell me what mac can use it, what card I should get to use it, etc..
This monitor also has a label on the front saying Viking 2/90, and has a DB9
connector.
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OK, I heard a lot of talk about the NSA's infamous control over encryption
export through the ITAR. Here's a question. Say I develop this great new
encryption system, and I want to sell my software worldwide. The thought
police then come in and say "This algorithm is a threat to national security.
You will not be permitted to export it." At this point, what kind of trouble
could I get into if I ignored the ITAR and sold my program to international
customers anyway?
Doug Holland
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This is maybe not a Pet Peeve, but definitely a Playmate Peeve:
Does this make anyone's Skeptic Alarm (tm) go off? No offense, Bill, I
don't mean to say that you're not being straight, but I wonder how you
know about this? Have you actually every used your secret method to break
all the different kinds of bike locks? Or are you taking someone's word
for it?
The fact is, it is unlikely that someone reading anything here is going to
go into a successful bike-stealing business because they read anything in
rec.motorcycles. So please tell us what you are talking about. We can't
even protect against an assault, or discuss methods, if you don't come out
with it.
See, I have heard the ones about the pipes, and the liquid nitrogen, and the
cordless Dremel tools, and a bunch of other ones. The most plausable method
(I am not a bike thief, so I really don't know for certain) is just to put
a rod through each wheel, and use four guys to just lift the bike into a
truck. This works because most people don't lock their bikes TO anything.
Since that method is so childishly easy, I figure a nice, visible chain or
cable locking the bike to something is likely to make a lazy thief go on
to the next bike.
(Hey, finally an advantage to the weight and high CG of the Concours! :-)
What tactic are you referring to? If we don't know what you are talking about,
we can't very well guard against it, can we?
For my money (literally) I rely on a combination of a motion-detector alarm
with pager when I'm out of earshot of the bike in a questionable area, C&C
insurance, and I try to park in obvious, visible areas with lots of people
about. (See, if someone just plays with the bike without intention of
stealing it, at least some eyes are on it, and if they get too rambunctious,
they'll set off the alarm.)
That's for a nice bike. For a ratbike, the trick is to always keep its
actual value well below blue-book, so that it looks so crappy nobody would
WANT to steal it, and even if they were stupid enough to, you would make
a profit on the deal. :-)
Seriously, if I (for instance) need to go on a business trip for a week,
and (sadly) have to leave the bikes sitting, they both get a shitty-looking,
but useable cover, locked on, and both bikes locked to each other and a
curb bumper in the parking lot under the light. I usually rig the cable
locks I use (aircraft cable) so that if anyone pulls on either bike or
the cable joining them, the Concours alarm goes off. And I have a friend
come buy every day to have a look and make sure they're still there. The
only thing I have ever had stolen was a $60 cover, and that was over
winter storage, with the battery out of the bike (and thus no alarm).
Oh, put your own eyelets into the cover for the locks to pass through, and
place them so that they have to absolutely destroy the cover to get it off.
That's the best that I can think of. Most of the locks I see people put
on bikes look, well, not too mechanically sound. I like ABUS, since I have
personally removed Master locks from lockers with my boot.
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Hi- Does anybody know the # for ticket info for Fenway?
Thanks
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IMHO this are going from bad to worse. 3-in-1, 1-in-3 was bad enough.
I do not like a God who prays to Himself. I refuse to believe Jesus prayed
to Himself -- let's get real, if the scriptures say He prayed to the
Father, then the Father IS someone different than the Son. I have no
problems with multiple Gods. To me, the whole context of the scriptures
co-heirs with Christ; that we will be like Him.
Co-heirs share all things equally--including knowledge, power, dominion etc.
When I am like Him (Christ), I will be the same as HE is--and He is a God.
If God cannot do this, the His is not all powerful--and He is NOT God.
If He will not, He is a Liar--and He is NOT God.
But if He does, He is the greatest of all the Gods.
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DN> I think I took on this 'liar, lunatic, or the real thing'
DN> the last time. Or was it the time before? Anyway, let
DN> somebody else have a turn. I can't debate it with a
DN> straight face. Or perhaps for something completely
DN> different we could just ridicule him or gather up all the
DN> posts from the last two times we did this and email them to
DN> him. As an aside, can you believe that somebody actually
DN> got a book published about this? Must have been a vanity
DN> press.
I would recomend to anyone out there to visit your local Christian bookstore
and become aware of the stuff they sell. Quite
interesting. Most of the stuff is far from intelectual. (About the level of
Chick pamphelets...) If it is a common fundie bookstore, it should have at
least one section about how you should hate Wiccans, Pagans, Catholics,
Mormons, rock musicians, and anyone else who is not as fanatical as them.
(Hate for the "Love of God(tm)"!) It is even more interesting watching the
people who frequent such places. Very scary people. They hear voices from
"God" telling them whatever they want to hear. (If they were not Christians,
most of them would be locked away. Maybe this is why Federal money was
reduced to Mental institutions by the reagan administration... Had to get
their religious leaders out...)
"Where would Christianity be if Jesus got eight to fifteen years, with time
off for good behavior?"
New York State Senator James H. Donovan on Capitol Punishment
Alan
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I have placed a new release of my aXe editor in aXe-5.0.tar.Z on
export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) and arjuna.ncl.ac.uk (128.240.150.1).
The significant change this time, and the justification for the hike
in the major version number, is:
o undo has been implemented.
By default only the last change can be undone, but a resource is
provided to allow the user to specify how many, including unlimited,
levels of undo information should be kept. Also, undo of undo is
supported.
There is no truth in the rumour that the next version will be EmaXe 19 :-)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
For those who have not encountered aXe before here is a summary of
what it is all about:
aXe is a simple to use text editor for X that represents a significant
improvement over xedit. Also built around the Athena Text Widget it
features, amongst other things,
o multiple windows
o multiple buffers
o default menu interface
o optional button interface, with choice and layout of buttons
under user control
o minibuffer for expert use and access to external filters
o provision for defining a keyboard macro
o geometry specification and resizing in terms of characters
o file selection via a browser
o knowledge of line numbers
o parenthesis matching
o regular expression searching
o restricted or unlimited undo
o ability to change font
o easy entry of control codes
o xterm-like keymap feature
o easy runtime setting of selected preferences (resources)
o both brief and comprehensive on-line help
o server mode with cooperating client programs
o optional extension language using Tcl
o optional Xaw3d widget set compatability
o collection of reusable widgets that embody the functionality of aXe
I have personally built and run core aXe, i.e. without the Tcl and
Xaw3d options, on the following systems:
Sun SPARC SunOS 4.1.x MIT X11R5
Sun SPARC SunOS 5.1 MIT X11R5
Encore Multimax UMAX 4.3 MIT X11R5
DEC 5000/120 ULTRIX 4.2 MIT X11R5
HP 9000/710 HP-UX 8.07 MIT X11R5
MAC IIci AU/X 3.0 MIT X11R5
but not all have been subject to the same level of testing. I have
only tested the Tcl and Xaw3d options on the first.
A number of '#ifdef SYSV'-isms that have been fed back to me have been
incorporated into the code and a possible scandir replacement is
provided for those systems that do not have one.
Although aXe will probably build under R4 run-time problems have been
encountered in the past. I have not bothered to try this version under
R4, and have not put any effort into solving previously known
problems. Therefore, if you are at R4 you very much take pot luck. If
it doesn't work the only alternative is to try the last release,
2.1.1, of version 2 which should still be around. It doesn't have as
many features and uses the Widget Creation Library (Wcl). Not only
that, it requires an old version of Wcl, 1.06 or 1.05. Version 3 of
aXe was nearing completion when version 2 of Wcl came out so aXe 2
never got converted to make use of it.
aXe is available by anonymous ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12)
and arjuna.ncl.ac.uk (128.240.150.1) initially, and probably in due
course from several other ftp sites. Check your nearest using
xarchie.
If you can't ftp, try sending email to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com with the
word "help" alone in your message body. You will receive instructions
on how to ftp via email.
Jim
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Gentlefolk,
It seems to me that the "Step 1" of taking a warrant to the
telco to get a wiretap is so much stinky red herring (don't
you love animal metaphors).
With each phone broadcasting the serial number of its chip
("E(N;F)" is not syntactically different than "N"), all they
have to do is aim a reciever in the general direction of
today's target and use the serial number to identify the
session they want, and get the chip number of the other end of
the conversation. Even without the key, this is great for
traffic analysis. I can think of several ways to learn the
right serial number.
It looks like one intended effect of the Clipper is to
eliminate the awkward business of getting the telco to
cooperate (or risking getting caught in the act with your
alligator clips erect). This is particularly handy if you have
S1 and S2.
BTW, did anyone explain why they are scrambling the serial
number?
Cheers,
Marc
---
Marc Thibault | marc@tanda.isis.org
Automation Architect | CIS:71441,2226
R.R.1, Oxford Mills, Ontario, Canada | NC FreeNet: aa185
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The RISC processor made by Fairchild, sold to Intergraph, much the same
story as the R4000.
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I think the -traditional option to gcc would help.
personally I used -traditional -O2 -funroll-loops to compile it
on SUN4.1.1.
hope this helps...
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And it is a damn good thing that she did post it since she claims to represent
people in rec.sport.hockey.
Her sole purpose in mentioning the net, as Steve Gallichio has already
pointed out, is to lend weight to her points through association with the
internet. There is no other reason to mention the internet. This is
misrepresentation and if the internet was a private corporation Alison
would be leaving herself wide open to all kinds of civil suits.
This is not a letter. It is a petition claiming to represent a large
proportion of rec.sport.hockey users, and by implication, a significant
number of internet users. 65 names can in no way be considered a
"large" proportion of rec.sport.hockey which, while we have no way of
counting actual readership, is accessible to hundreds of thousands of
people. 65 persons is no more than a fly's fart in a windstorm.
Gee. You looked up "large" in the dictionary? What next? Two syllable
words?
Let me suggest that the only place you are likely to envy the magnitude of
65 is when you are looking for ways to beef up your IQ scores.
As I said, he *might* be impressed by the size of the list of names. But
it would have to be considerably larger. But even this definition does
not account for the original context from which you lifted this sentence.
Well then what the hell is your point? You don't really know if you have
an opinion about the hockey issue but you do know that you don't like me.
Is that it?
--
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Oh, please, enlighten us all. What articles in particular are you
quoting from? I'm doing my Masters in Psychopathology and it would
interest me greatly in seeing these articles that you know exist
(yet I know nothing about). I'm sure I could give them to people
doing their PhD's. With information like this, they'll have their
degree in no time. (sprinkle sarcasm where applicable)
Don't bother with the little-girl-is-raped-by-her-daddy-and-is-now-
a-lesbian-because-of-it studies. They have always been under critical
scrutiny as to their validity. (Correlation != causation).
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For sale:
---------
One complete set of Lifecall Equipment, including the base unit,
portable transmitter and pendant plus 30 days free monitering service.
Description of item:
-------------------
Convenient and secure to anyone:
1. whose home is being broken into
2. whose parents live alone.
3. who has children or elderly parents
4. who suffers a heart attack or stroke
5. who is temporarily or permanently disabled.
6. and more.
Superior features:
1. Allows you to talk to the monitering center using the transmitter;
help will be sent to you as soon as possible.
2. Allows for personal freedom and independence.
Deal
----
Item is worth US$2400 in open market. Asking for $2000 or best offer.
Interested please email at kmgoh@leland.stanford.edu
or call at (415) 497-0663. Will send the certificate of delivery and
relevant documents to you.
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So instead you are asking individual citizens to place themselves at risk
by assuming that everyone who claims to be a cop, actually is a cop.
Around here the police have actually made public service announcements saying
that if you are a lady driving by yourself at night and you see blue lights
flashing behind you. Do not pull over until you reach a well lit, preferably
occupied place, gas station etc.
It wouldn't be murder, it would be self defense.
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Hi Bruce. How do you reconcile this practice with Ezekiel 18?
Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not
share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the
son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and
the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him."
Is Ezekiel 18 not translated correctly in your eyes perhaps?
Sincerely,
Aaron Cardenas
P.S. I too am bothered to see offensive words being posted on this
newsgroup. Obscenity is out of place for anyone who wants to live by the
Bible (Eph 5:4).
Moderator: I would appreciate your not letting posts with foul language
through, which has happened at least twice lately. Thank you.
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I'm looking to buy a '92 Toyota Previa All-Trac with low miles.
If you are selling one, or want someone to buy out an existing lease,
please contact me by mail.
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I'm looking for a good terminal program that will connect to
TCP/IP using windows. Some basic MS-Window that is connect to
a unix host would be great.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
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I've got 2 sets of sample cd's for sale
set one (2cd's)-geared towards house/techno/pop and rap
The 1st cd is all drum loops and drum sounds over 1500 of them
The second contains analog synths, basses, bass loops, wavestations, vox
loops and much much more.
The second set-
A variety of different sounds from new age to rock etc... kind of a
sampler cd..(pardon the pun)
Both have never been used and I can supply a list of categories for the
sounds if someone is seriously interested.
I'd like 130 for all three as they were $200ish new...
Michael
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I do not want to convince anyone. This is just USENET, not the real
world. I just read the opinions others have about a subject, and sometimes
I present my opinion. I think that this net is only useful to exchange
ideas. I never wanted nor I want now to convince anyone of anything.
First, and I repeat it, I never said that the idea of Jews having the
right to have a State is racist.
Zionism, as a movement, is more than just that idea. I think that Zionism
in the way it defines who is a Jew, for example, is racist-like.
In the same way I believe that Irish have a right to nationalism but I do
not support the bombing and killing of the IRA, I believe that Jews have
a right to nationalism but I do not support Zionism as it is right now.
That is what makes the basis for Zionist movements. However, I am not
considering just that, but the rest of it.
Which makes an interesting point. People living in a Jewish State have
shown that Jewish culture includes in it Jewish religion but they are
not the same. So, the Jewish people living in the Jewish State have shown
us that there are some problems in a State where 80% of the people is secular
but Judaism is define according to religious standards, or where marriage
is a religious stage, or where the Law of Return defines a Jew according to
a religious standard.
Did those Israelis who do not believe in god and will never do become
non-Jews? Why should they still define then a Jew based on what is a
religious definition?
According to Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, Merriam-Webster Inc,
Publishers, Springfield, Massachusetts, U.S.A., 1986, page 593,
hy-poc-ri-sy: A feigning to be what one is nnot or to believe one does not.
So, saying that one believes in Zionism as a simple matter of people
having the right to nationalism, but disregarding the right of the Palestinian
people to do the same, according to this dictionary, is hypocrisy.
I know what my words mean. I do stand by what I said I believe: Zionism is
a form of racism. Of course, I tend to talk about things as they are and
not as they are defined in a broad sense.
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Ahhh yes, Andrew, we meet again...
...no, not 'stealing' the oil, just draining it as to leave me stranded.
Let me guess, you're from Hudson Ohio??
Get out and see the world.
"IF" I were the vandal, and I really hated someone, maybe someone who knew
something about cars, of course I would look for ANY types of valves I could
undo. Especially, special oil drain plugs, and radiator petcocks.
As well as putting bad things in the gas...
While I would never vandalize someone's car, IF I were to, it would probably
be the 'time bomb' approach, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks
that way...
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Hello, a friend is under going kemotherapy(sp?) for breast cancer. I'm
trying to learn what I can about it. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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I have always thought that if I wanted to send the Police a tape with
a ransom demand on it, or send CNN a video tape to see if they wanted
to buy it, I would place a small magnet near the take-up spool so the
tape would be erased as it was played. Who would think to check?
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: If the Bible is such incredible proof of Christianity, then why aren't
: the Muslims or the Hindus convinced?
:
: If the Qur'an is such incredible proof of Islam, then why aren't the
: Hindus or the Christians convinced?
If God exists, why aren't atheists convinced?
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I'm glad this forum came up. I've been pricing insurance lately and had considered GEICO. But no more!! Any company with practices like theirs can
E.S.A.D.!! I'll stay with Liberty mutual.
Steve Nicholas
Wells Computer Center - Georgia State University
oprsfnx@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
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The problem with your nihilistic approach, Roger, is that it takes all the
sense out of the game. By your line of reasoning, if a guy hits into a
double play with one out and the bases loaded, there's no point in saying
that that was a bad thing to do (if his team won anyway) or speculating
on what might have happened if things had gone otherwise, so the double
play is merely an event that happened in the course of a game that was
eventually won or lost for unknown reasons. After all, any speculation
involves constructing a fantasy about what would have happened but didn't.
Roger, do you ever worry that the next pencil you drop will fall to the
ceiling instead? Or are you willing to consider empirical evidence?
Teams go to the post-season when they win more games than anybody else
in their division. If they don't make the post-season, they don't win the
Series. Will you agree that winning a division is a useful intermediate
goal in ring-collecting?
If so, you must agree that winning games is a useful intermediate goal
towards winning the division, and our disagreements come when we consider
how to win games.
In your viewpoint as expressed, winning games happens for reasons that
cannot be analyzed. While many of us are thinking things like "Base-
runners are good, outs are bad, and therefore walks are better than
double plays with the bases loaded", you are thinking things like
"It's a team game, so perhaps the double play will cause some mysterious
team dynamics that will cause the team to win today".
The result is that it becomes impossible to say *anything* about individual
players. Perhaps Atlanta would have won the Series with me playing left
field. After all, perhaps in some way my knowledge and personality would
have helped the team more than my complete lack of skill would have hurt
it. Therefore, I could be an extremely valuable player. Did Dave Winfield
have anything to do with the Jays' victory? Probably, but how do you know?
If you replace him with Andres Galarraga, perhaps the Jays would have won,
perhaps they would have lost, perhaps they would have defected to Alpha
Centauri (bearing in mind that the flying saucers would not have landed
in mid-season had Winfield been DHing for Toronto).
Was Babe Ruth a good player? He played on some WS-winning teams, but did
he have anything to do with their success?
It is generally accepted that Ernie Banks was a good baseball player, and
Jarvis Brown and Dan Schatzeder weren't. It seems to me that anybody who
would deny this needs to provide the proof.
Now, we have observed things about baseball over the years, both empirically
and by looking at the rulebook. It is necessary to score more runs than
one's opponent to win the game, so it would seem important to score runs
and to prevent one's opponent from scoring. Runs are scored while a team
is batting, and an inning ends after the third out, so it would seem that
making outs is bad while hitting home runs is good. Players have tendencies
to hit or pitch at certain levels, and these are usually somewhat consistent
from year to year.
We do use these statistics to predict winners, and so do you. To make
some flat predictions: Barry Bonds will have a higher OBP+SLG than
Gene Larkin this year. The Braves will finish ahead of the Rockies
in the standings. The Tigers will score more runs than the Royals, but
will also give up more. I would be astonished if any of these turned
out to be false, and, I suspect, so would you. As a matter of fact, I
am pretty sure I can predict all the division winners this year, given
3-4 guesses per division, and this is certainly better than random
chance (and almost statistically significant).
If you will admit that the Rockies and Mariners are unlikely to meet in
the World Series, you must admit that there is some sort of way to measure
likelihoods, however fuzzy.
So how about "real life"? Person A robs a service station with two people
in it, using a .38 automatic pistol, gets $42, and is convicted and sentenced
for three years. Person B, with a similar criminal record, robs a service
station with two people in it, using a .38 revolver, gets $42, and is
convicted. Since they used two different types of handgun, are comparisons
totally meaningless?
Say you drop a pencil to see if the gravity still works (my cats are always
testing this - they don't trust me to pay the gravity bill on time). You
have never dropped a pencil at that exact time of the century before, so
all previous evidence is meaningless? Or would you be surprised if it flew
out the window instead of hitting the desk?
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bwise@nyx.cs.du.edu
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This idea, that the Reformers somehow were the first to bring the
Bible to the people in their own language, is a myth. Many vernacular
translations of the Bible existed long before the Reformation. The
Vulgate Bible, which is still the official version of the Bible for the
Catholic Church, was itself a translation in the common (i.e. vulgar ==
vulgate) tongue of its day, Latin, and had existed for about a millenium
before the Reformation.
It might also be noted that the printing press was not even invented
until the same century as that in which the Reformation occurred.
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Does anyone know how to zap the PRAM on the Duo 230. Inaddition I have recently
noticed that checking the ram left in the finder on the duo 230 4/80
reveals the normal 1800K for the system file but only about 1/10 to 1/5 of the
bar is actually highlighted implying that only 2-300K is being used for the
system. What gives? I have had no crashes yet or other software problem...
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Great start. I realize immediately that you are not interested
in discussion and are going to thump your babble at me. I would
much prefer an answer from Ms Healy, who seems to have a
reasonable and reasoned approach to things. Say, aren't you the
creationist guy who made a lot of silly statements about
evolution some time ago?
Duh, gee, then we must be talking Christian mythology now. I
was hoping to discuss something with a reasonable, logical
person, but all you seem to have for your side is a repetition
of the same boring mythology I've seen a thousand times before.
I am deleting the rest of your remarks, unless I spot something
that approaches an answer, because they are merely a repetition
of some uninteresting doctrine or other and contain no thought
at all.
[..]
I have to congratulate you, though, Bill. You wouldn't
know a logical argument if it bit you on the balls. Such
a persistent lack of function in the face of repeated
attempts to assist you in learning (which I have seen
in this forum and others in the past) speaks of a talent
that goes well beyond my own, meager abilities. I just don't
seem to have that capacity for ignoring outside influences.
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+ I am looking at a new LC III and a used IIci. Prices
+ The IIci has much greater potential for expansion, a la NuBus and
+ greater memory capacity.
How important is this? How many NuBus cards do you have/plan to
acquire? How much memory do you really need? I've got a ci, and
20mb of ram. That's plenty. I also have a 24bit graphics card
on the NuBus - I'm a sucker for pretty pictures...I think the
LCIII can have a bootable ramdisk in memory, which a ci can
not have. At least, not out of the box.
+ The LC III would be new, under warranty, newer ROMs (is the IIci
+ "32-bit clean"?), and would have sound input. I also like the
+ "pizza-box" case.
The ci is 32-bit clean. I solved the sound input problem with
a MacRecorder. But that's gotten to be a fairly expensive
solution now that Macromind owns MacRecorder.
+ Performance-wise, I have read that they are almost identical, the
+ LC III being a little slower.
The actual difference is probably not worth worrying over.
+ So, which should I get?
Depends on the price you can get the ci for. Educationally speaking,
the 4/80 [?] LCIII here at FSU can be had at just under $1300. Add
in roughly $500 for a monitor. Last I'd heard, an 8mb LCIII simm
went for ~$250.
I think you're in a win-win situation. No matter what you decide,
you'll most likely be happy with it.
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This is the story of Kent, the archetype Finn, that lives in the
Bay Area, and tried to purchase Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason". This
man was driving around, to Staceys, to Books Inc, to "Well, Cleanlighted
Place", to Daltons, to various other places.
When he asked for this book, the well educated American book store
assistants in most placed asked him to check out the thriller section,
or then they said that his book has not been published yet, but they
should receive the book soon. In some places the assistants bluntly
said that they don't know of such an author, or that he is not
a well known living author, so they don't keep copies of his books.
Such is the life and times of America, 200+ years after the revolution.
Cheers,
Kent
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A very well put together post. I disagree with several key points, but the
post is an excellent one with which to "engage in discourse":
>There has been much discussion recently about the right to
>freedom of association. Mr. Cramer and Mr. Ronzone appear to
>take an absolutist position on this right--that it is a
>fundamental human right, perhaps the fundamental human right,
>and that it supersedes other rights, such as the right to an
>equal opportunity. Others feel that a right to an equal
>opportunity outweighs the right to freedom of association,
>and thus we have the never-ending debate that flares up
>repeatedly.
Freedom of Association (FOA) involves the MUTUAL and VOLUNTARY agreement of
two or more people.
Right to Equal Opportunity (lets call it REO) involves coercion in all cases
(by definition).
>A major problem is that neither of these rights are
>explicitly declared or protected in the Constitution or in
>the Declaration of Independence, although both can be derived
>from these documents. Unfortunately, this means that the
>debate will never end, because neither side can conclu-
>sively prove the validity of their view--it becomes solely a
>matter of personal philosophy.
Yes, there is much debate. But no, it can end, with once and for all
recognition of these rights. (Well, not totally 100% perfect end, but end
in the same way that there is no worldwide disagreement that say, murder, is
a crime).
>My personal opinion is that the real answer lies somewhere in
>between. I regard both of these rights as fundamental human
>rights which, unfortu- nately, come into direct conflict with
>one another. Which is stronger depends on the given
>situation.
Hmm, there is even MORE discusion about religion. Should we take a
"somewhere in between" approach towards the State & a State recognized
religion? The first amendment, is so, uh, so absolutist you know.
>For example, if the owner of a "mom-and-pop" store wishes to
>hire an employee to help out, their right to freedom of
>association outweighs the rights of their job applicants to
>an equal opportunity. They should be free to hire whomever
>they choose, using whatever criteria they choose, without any
>government intervention at all.
>
>Similarly, if a family wishes to rent out a bedroom in their
>home, or a garage apartment, or something similar, then their
>right to freedom of association outweighs the rights of their
>prospective tenants to an equal opportunity.
>
>If, on the other hand, IBM, a multi-national corporation with
>275,000 employees, publicly owned, and operated by a board of
>directors, wishes to hire additional employees, then whose
>freedom of association are we protecting? The board of
>directors? The other employees? The owners of the stock? In
>this case, the applicant's right to an equal opportunity
>outweighs the right to freedom of association, and we, as a
>society, can ask IBM to use only those criteria which are
>relevant to the specific task.
Why? Says who? Why can mon & pop have FOA, but IBM be forced, and force is
the correct word here, to have REO? As purchase of IBM is voluntary, then
there are very well defined procedures on how IBM chooses to do some things
and chooses to do other things. Why not let those same procedures work for
employment policies?
>Similarly, if a landlord owns a number of apartment buildings
>in which he does not live, and which are managed by an
>independent management agency, then whose freedom of
>association are we protecting? If the owner does not live in
>his buildings and has no contact with his tenants, then the
>prospective tenant's right to an equal opportunity outweighs
>the right to freedom of association, and we, as a society,
>can ask the owner to use only those criteria which are
>relevant to "good" tenants. (I've put "good" in quotation
>marks because I really don't want to be drawn off into the
>side issue of what constitutes a good tenant.)
Why does this tenant have an "option" (I won't call it a right) to destroy
the FOA of the landlord? If the landlord and the tenant can't agree, then they
both can cease from using each other's property.
Suddenly, by arm waving, by magic, a landlord does not have FOA. And on what
basis does the FOA of the landlord "disappear"?
It seems that vague terms like "no contact with tenants" suffice.
Well, I think FOA is one our most important rightts (in the top 2-3), and by
golly, if the State is going to make it suffer, I sure would like to see the
heinous crime that justifies the removal of this right.
I don't think "no contact" with the tenats is even a crime, much less something
that should cause severe interference with important rights.
>I suspect that the majority of the people in this country
>agree with my position on these extreme cases, particularly
>if they are presented in this manner. I don't know if Mr.
>Ronzone or Mr. Cramer would agree--I suspect not. In any
>case, additional problems arise when we try to apply
>guidelines for the middle ground. What if the company has 10
>employees, or 100, or 1000? Where do we draw the line between
>protecting the right to freedom of association and protecting
>the right to an equal opportunity?
Rights are not defined by majority/mob choice. FOA is an absolute. REO
is a fancy name for thuggery, for racism, and coercion.
>The difficulty is that any line we draw will, of necessity,
>be artificial. And any legislation resulting will be flawed.
>In the past, the government has usually tried to pass laws
>which referred to the number of employees hired by the
>company--e.g., any company with more than xxx employees was
>affected by the law. Those with fewer were unaffected.
Of course it would be. You dimly see that the line must be artifiacial, because
FOA is the only right. Just like a State religion -- you can't jsutify that
either.
>Generally, I believe that if we do not have any regulations
>affecting these rights, then the right to freedom of
>association will be stronger. On the other hand, many of the
>regulations protect the right to an equal opportunity too
>much, weakening the right to freedom of association.
>
>I don't believe there is a satisfactory solution which will
>please everybody. A solution that I came up with is to use
>publicly owned vs. privately owned as the dividing line. If
>the company remains privately owned, then the owners should
>be free to do whatever they want with their company. If the
>company becomes publicly owned, then the public has a right
>to ask the company to submit to additional regulation.
Why? I assume that when you say "publicly owned", you are talking about those
quasi-State companys that do NOT have shareholders.
The companies on the Fortune 500, for example, are all privately owned. They
can give you a list of all of their owners. They have no "anonymous",
unknown to them, owners.
>By the way, the above analysis is based on the assumption
>that the right to freedom of association and the right to an
>equal opportunity are both fundamental human rights of equal
>importance. Since this is entirely a matter of faith, not
>subject to any "proof", I do not choose to even try to
>establish this. You either accept it or you don't.
>
>Any comments?
FOA can be derived by any two rational people, on a basis that neither has
evil, malicious, or murderous intent towards the others.
In short, agreement is mutual, or not at all.
Your REO on the other hand, lives only by accepting coercion, the gun, into
the situation. And that is self-destructive of the whole argument, because it
is based only on might makes right. Sort of like saying, "nobody has a right
to live", whereupon I whip out a gun and shoot you dead -- end of argument.
--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
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You know, you have a point here, but don't stop with African Americans...
When I was in high school in the early 1980s, on various occasions I had
knives pulled on me, had friends who were stabbed, and I was beaten up
repeatedly by those that couldn't accept me as different. And don't
let the teachers off the hook either. On many many occasions, there
were teachers that either resented me or were too scared out of their
wits by the bullies to even stop the people who attacked me and they
would just watch quietly... All of this was in a nice white middle
class high school. In fact, we were so nice and white that we made
sure that the one black kid in my class was unable to go to the prom
with his white girlfriend... This isn't a race thing, it's the
way public schools seem to be run...
I'd hate to be in high school right now... At least I didn't have
to deal with guns, just the roving psycho-drug-dorks and the jocks-
without-a-future-but-with-plenty-of-testosterone...
I'd separate everyone who wants to learn from these assholes... But hey,
the valuelessness of learning and glorification of jocks is an American
tradition, you think anything is going to change? If you have kids,
take 'em out of the public school system and educate them yourself...
That's what I'll do if I ever have them... I wouldn't wish what I went
through upon any kid... Maybe on some of their parents though...
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Perhaps you've been under a rock since, say, the turn of the century. How
in the #$^& is one man supposed to review every single freaking
governmental action, every day? That's why we have an executive branch. HE
reviewed the plan and said "go," but he wasn't the architect and he wasn't
there, bullhorn in hand, implementing it. Yes, he was responsible in the
sense that he was briefed. So what! Shit happens. That sounds like a
callous way to dismiss the deaths of 90+ people, but I can't understand why
people get so bent about the accidental death/suicide (which is it? could
take months...) of some total fucking sociopath/child molester and his
crazed followers while opposing U.S. intervention in Bosnia. Just like
Billy boy said. I think some of you people have too much time on your
hands, and screwed up priorities.
Just my HO...
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Religious fanaticism?
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As I recall, it is a statistical anomaly because of the sample involved in the studies.
I am certain that if it were true the Europeans would be cutting kids right & left.
I think alot do it blindly because "Dad" had it done. But there are many
who get bamboozled into it with the bogus cancer thing. Awhile back some
quack told a friend of mine that it would help prevent AIDS.
Yeah...Right! (Sarchasm)
Oh YEAH ?
Scene: Navy boot camp
DI: "Son, you smel awful! Dont you ever clean that thing?"
Recruit: "No Sir !"
DI: "Why the hell NOT!"
Recruit: "Your not sposed to touch down there?"
DI: "Why ?"
Recruit: "Cause thats the eye of god down there, an' your not s'posed to touch it..."
This did not happen 40 years ago, it happened 2 years ago.
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For one week, she probably wants to see how you react to the diet. If it
changes anything.
You can live on the diet but you need to up your calories. Where before you
had a pat of butter now you need a medium apple (probably microwave
cooked). Smaller meals but more of them. Not terrific amounts of meat, it's
hard to digest anyway.
For comfort and to make the carbohydrate meal "last" longer eat pasta or
rice which give their calories up slowly rather than bread or corn. Maybe
smaller meals as you may be getting less room in the stomach area. Is the
baby still coming up. Is it starting to push or rub under your ribs? How
tight are your clothes. You shouldn't be wearing any clothing that compresses
your middle. Be sure not to "suck in" your stomach when sitting, again it
will put pressure on the digestive tract.
Try laying on your sides, back,
and stay in reclining positions for the many hours you are being inactive.
Easier on your legs (circulation) as well. You might try letting the baby
"turn" or at least not be forced under the ribs during the last months.
When you are shortwaisted it's easy for that baby to end up right under the
diaphram, especially if you have tight abdominal muscles. If I had my
second one to do over again I think I'd have tried to loosen up since he
didn't turn sideways until late and the relief was enormous.
Maybe this doctor does have a thing about weight gain in pregnancy or maybe
she just nags all her patients this way. Especially if she's young.
But this gallbladder/whatever problem that might be coming up is something
to be avoided if possible.
Nausea, etc. can vary from person to person and with each pregnancy. My
first pregnancy was miserable. During the second I had very little trouble.
Some articles have said that women with nausea had a statistically better
chance of carrying their baby. (grain of salt here)
Good luck
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Now, now, before we get too carried away here....
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| > Mary at that time appeared to a girl named Bernadette at
| > Lourdes. She referred to herself as the Immaculate Conception.
| > Since a nine year old would have no way of knowing about the
| > doctrine, the apparition was deemed to be true and it sealed
| > the case for the doctrine.
|Bernadette was 14 years old when she had her visions, in 1858,
|four years after the dogma had been officially proclaimed by the
|Pope.
|
| Yours,
| James Kiefer
I forgot exactly what her age was but I remember clearly
that she was born in a family of poverty and she did not
have any education, whatsoever, at the age of the apparitions.
She suffered from asthma at that age and she and her family were
living in a prison cell of some sort.
She had to ask the 'Lady' several times in her apparitions about
what her name was since her confessor priest asked her to do so.
For several instances, the priest did not get an answer since
Bernadette did not receive any. One time, after several apparitions
passed, The Lady finally said, "I am the Immaculate Conception".
So, Bernadette, was so happy and repeated these words over and
over in her mind so as not to forget it before she told the
priest who was asking. So, when she told the priest, the
priest was shocked and asked Bernadette, "Do you know what
you are talking about?". Bernadette did not know what exactly
it meant but she was just too happy to have the answer for
the priest. The priest continued with, "How did you remember
this if you do not know?". Bernadette answered honestly that
she had to repeat it over and over in her mind while on her
way to the priest...
The priest knew about the dogma being four years old then.
But Bernadette did not know and yet she had the answer which
the priest finally observed and took as proof of an authentic
personal revelation of Our Lady to Bernadette.
(Note: This Lady of Lourdes shrine has a spring of water which
our lady requested Bernadette to dig up herself with her
bare hands in front of pilgrims. At the start little
water flowed but after several years there is more water
flowing.)
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There was a post about something similar a while back. It seems windows
does *not* take it upon itself to free up any sys. resources an
applllication is using when that application is done. That job is left
entirely to the application. that is, the application has to clean up
after itself when it quits.
Anyone out there know if there is a utility for windows which will
clean up sys. resources when an application quits (mother.zip???).
peace,
Mickey
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REPOST - DUE TO NET PROBLEMS
Hi,
I have problems with the FDHD on a IICX that EKG reports is ROM
revision 376. I had reports that this Mac was having trouble
formatting disks and by the time I got to it, the FDHD just would
not respond although all other functions were fine.
I checked the voltages on the DB19 external drive connector and pin
6 showed no volts with 7 and 8 giving 25volts unloaded. The power
supply is an Astec and I sent it away for repair.
With the power supply reinstalled, I now get the following error:
With the internal FDHD connected, the Mac boots fine but on completion
of boot cycle an alert displays "The disk is unreadable - do you
want to eject it?". For every combination of response, the alert
reappears within approx 2 seconds and this error is continuous. The
FDHD does spin but there is no head seeking and the FDHD is incapable
of ejecting the disk. This error sequence occurs regardless of whether
there is a floppy in the drive or not. Pin 6 on the DB19 external
connector shows 1.2V, pins 7 and 8 show 10.75V.
With the internal FDHD disconnected, the Mac boots fine and works great
(MacEKG reports no errors). The DB19 external connector now shows
no voltage on pin 6 but pins 7 and 8 show 10.75V.
Now, the internal FDHD may be fubar, but I have an apple 800K external
drive that gives exactly the same symptoms as the internal drive when
connected to either the external DB19 or the internal connector at J16
(after suitable surgery to the external drive). The voltages at J16
(with the internal FDHD disconnected) are as follows:
PIN Volts PIN Volts
1 - 2 5
3 - 4 5
5 - 6 5
7 - 8 -
9 - 10 5
11 - 12 -
13 10.75 14 5
15 10.75 16 5
17 10.75 18 -
19 10.75 20 5
This machine has a SWIM which I don't think EKG tests. I have tested all
diodes and pica fuses and can find no problems. Does anybody have any
ideas ?
Best wishes,
Woody.
Paul Woodman
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It does! I do it to keep people off my ass. They really back
away when they see canon fire rolling out the back of a Harley.
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I recently found an excellent source for X-windows programs. I've seen
quite a few x-windows toolkits up there. The place is:
export.lcs.mit.edu
go to the contrib directory. Its full of x-windows programs.
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I'm looking for an old album or cassette tape. The group is Sanford/Townsend
the name of the album is 'Smoke from a Distant Fire' (I think). This album
came out somewhere around 1975-76, and I believe was the first album produced
by Kenny Loggins after he and Jim Messina broke up.
If you happen to have this album and are willing to part with it, great. If
you don't want to part with it, but are willing to copy it onto cassette I'd
love that too.
Thanks
JK
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Cool, then we can discuss the increase in radio and TV use,
the increase in the use of fossil fuels, the increase in air
travel, and consumption of processed bread, and you can
instruct us on which of them causes increased depression.
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Then you haven't been paying attention to the arguments levelled against
them. They have been, over and over again. They will be again.
Hey, what do you think dictionaries are for? You quite obviously need
one. A good dictionary gives both, and you well know it.
I don't think that data exist on this directly.
That is no problem. But once again you are defining Zionism as *ONE*
movement. You are implying that it is monolithic. You *KNOW* this is
not and has never been the case.
You don't say it directly. You implied it, and I showed explicitly
where and how you implied it. Now you're trying to wriggle out of it.
Won't wash, and you know it.
It's you, not me, who is running out of arguments.
What you said is that "Judaism is defined according to religious
standards." Now this can have several different meanings, and you know
it. One of the meanings that it can have is to say that "Only those who
are religious are defined as Jews". Another is to say that "Only those
who meet the religious definition of a Jew is one." And there are
others. I'm not twisting your words. I'm trying to make you aware that
your words don't mean what you think they do.
Actually, it doesn't. And the citizens' rights are exactly THE SAME in
both cases, anyway.
Jewish
Jewish
It'll depend on what religion is practiced in the house. The original
law of return would still admit such a person if they were Jewish, if
memory serves.
Not Jewish.
That's valid, as far as I can see.
More than once. As have others.
The very one you give above. It is absolutely inconsistent with the
twist you put on it.
No you didn't. You had to twist the definition of the word 180 degrees
in order to do so, and everyone else knows it. I'm not being touchy.
Because what you gave *WAS NOT* an example. IT WAS an example of how
the definition of a word can be twisted around 180 degrees.
Oh, so now what are dictionaries for?
Duh. As a scientist, whose technical terms are very often not found in
common dictionaries, I know this. But when a term is common, like
hypocrisy, a good dictionary can be regarded as an authoritative source.
It's not nonsense. When people read what you write, they have to try to
associate a meaning to those words. Dictionaries give the meanings of
words, don't they? Now, I assume that you'd like to have the words you
use mean what you'd like them to. But the fact is, you're using very
different meanings than are in the dictionary, or you would like the
reader to assign them new meanings, which they never had.
Not at all. What I cannot abide is utter bombast when you've been
proven completely wrong.
I never put even one syllable in your mouth. You have tried to prove
this and you failed.
Poppycock.
I read what you said. I did not add anything. You simply either don't
know that the words don't mean what you'd like them to - which cannot be
the case now since you've been proven wrong and you quite obviously
don't have a defense against the arguments presented, or you're twisting
the meanings. Which is it?
Ha! There's nothing resembling fact in what you've said. I NEVER added
*ANYTHING* to what you said.
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I am just beginning to try using the Athena toolkit and am having some problems
getting started. I think that some files are missing on the system, but there is
the possibility that they are just in a different directory. When I try to link
my program it can't find XtInitailize, XtRealizeWidget, XtMainLoop,
XtCreateManagedWidget, or commandWidgetClass. I've included Intrinsic.h and
Command.h. I also had a problem on compile with XtNcallback but replaced that with
a NULL in order to compile and see if there were any other problems. I haven't
used a toolkit before and this is simply an example I got from the manuel. Can
someone tell me where I might look for these calls, that is, in what file not what
directory they are supposed to be under because the system manager doesn't believe
in standard directories and generally does things his own way. (I am using UNIX)
Thank you for your assistance.
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Since Roger is a Canadian who probably knows nothing about baseball
I am gonna try to explain it to him in terms of hockey...
according to his logic...
I can say that since 1988...Bob Errey is better than Wayne Gretzky
hey...Errey contributed to 2 Cups while good old Wayne has won nothing...
(I think the Kings should trade Gretzky for Errey....what do you think Roger?)
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[stuff deleted about Microsoft]
You must of read too many OS/2 advertisements. "Crash Protection" is such
a marketing gimick, it isn't funny.. Out of 4 months of using Windows on my
new machine I've only had it crash ONCE, and I don't have a "run of the mill"
configuration.
Microsoft is not a leader in innovation, but they certainly know how to
build a better mousetrap. Now, what's wrong with that??
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I hope, I hope, that we can begin to involve ourselves in the issues
and concerns related to this peace process. We have differing opinions,
certainly, on these aspects but it is clear that we all share the hope
that "resolution" of the tensions and conflict **will** happen.
As we "run to the defense" of our side, there is no need to constantly
involve ourselves in name-calling. All of us are regularly confused by
the "other's" reactive posting because "they" spend most of the post
applying "labels" and presenting slogans than in just presenting their
honest views. Then...when we "react", we do the same thing.
-------------=--------------------+-----------------------=-----------
Do you, as I do, agree that this (sort) of "peace process" is needed?
What about the particular points mentioned in the article? Is what
Israel is (supposedly) going to propose "good"? Does it go too far?
Not far enough?
If you don't agree that a "peace process" is needed, what is?
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I am selling Joe Montana SportsTalk Football '93 for the Genesis for 30 bucksm
which will include shipping. Firt come first some.
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Article #61153 (61302 is last):
From: nstassen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicki A Stassen Lantz)
Subject: HELP: LED connectors for motherboard
Date: Thu Apr 22 09:02:48 1993
I bought a 386DX-40 motherboard for 50$... no documentation at all. Everything
appears to work, except I'm having trouble getting a few of the LED connectors
working. I've looked at the manuals for 4 other motherboards, but the pin
configuration doesn't look anything like what is on this board. Does this
pin arrangement look familiar to anyone out there??? Any hints on where I
can find this information?
1 10
"speaker" . . . . . . . . . .
"keylock" . . . . . . . . . .
11 ^ 20
J23 |
|The board came with a jumper vertically across
these two pins.
I can get the power/keylock to work across pins 11-15, reset across pins 9 and
Shown 82%, press <SPACE> for more, 'q' to quit, or 'h' for help
19, but would prefer not to blow something up by further experimentation.
The date on the board itself is 6/92, opti chips.
I would really appreciate any help, and thank you in advance.
N A Stassen Lantz
End of File, Press RETURN to quit
Nicji,
It would realy realy help if you said what chipset and if the board
was an upgradable or not board and how old it and the bios is???
Sam
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I recall reading somewhere that a number of bishops spent a great
deal of time debating the topic of "how many angels could fit on the
tip of a needle".
Does anybody have a reference to this?
Thanks
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Geico supports (reads gives to police) Laser Radars. They have been known
to be very picky. No sports cars. No radar detectors (although Maryland
insurance board over rules this consistantly). No turbos.
Basically it seems if you need to use your insurance ever they don't want
you. They once told me they wouldn't insure me (perfect record) because of
my corvette even though it would be insured by another specialty insurance.
"We must insure all the cars". I think this rep didn't know what she was
talking about.
Geico is cheap. But if you ever file a claim be prepared to be dropped. I
think in most areas two tickets will do it.
Geico will never see a dime from me If I can help it.
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Just a quick note on the nwe shape MR2s in the UK....
When they first came out here, there were 3 models. The base model had an
auto box and engine from the CAMRY 2.0 !!! Well I recentyl found out that this
model is no longer profitable for Toyota and have since scraped it. I've also
noticed that auto MR2s have depreciated a lot more than the next model up...
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I've recently re-uploaded to cica the current (v2.8) version of the working
model of MicroCal Origin, a scientific and technical 2D/3D graphics and data
analysis package for Windows 3.x. The working model is 2D only and puts a
promo message on hardcopies, but is largely identical to the full version.
Saving Origin files is disabled, but you can save ASCII data sets produced
with Origin. It also says it has an expiration date of Sept. 1, 1993.
Try it. You may like it, as I do!
It's currently at ftp.cica.indiana.edu (129.79.20.17) in the directory
/pub/pc/win3/uploads as ORIGIN2.ZIP. The file ORIGIN.ZIP is, unfortunately,
incomplete (SORRY 'BOUT THAT!).
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It is kind of absurd, isn't it? Some players even want more distortion,
especially the Hendrix fans :-) But there are a lot of them out there
that can only afford the amp, or who like playing music without distortion.
Then there are your hard-core Hendirx fans that want particular *types*
of distortion, i.e., they make it, not their amps.
I didn't see a thing about waste-heat from Babbage, and haven't seen one
of those mechanical TV's in a while, so it's anybodie's guess :-)
-Tommy Mac
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \ They communicated with the communists,
18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \ and pacified the pacifists. -TimBuk3
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[...]
That brings up an interesting question. If this interpretation is
correct, how would these people be getting into Heaven before Jesus
opened the gates of Heaven?
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I have a IIsi & a portrait display (and I love it). I'm using the
built-in video support, so its slow and deals with 16 colors/grays.
So, I'm wondering: if I get a video card, how much does this tend to
speed up things and will I be able to get more than 4bits? Oh, I have
CombiCache w/FPU. Does this limit my choices of video cards?
Thanks
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Some of the messages here seem to reflect the view that the government is
listening in on everything and one will have to hide one's clipper messages
somehow if non-escrowed crypto goes away.
A little perspective might be in order.
The number of court ordered wire taps is pretty low. Law enforcement has to
present pretty good evidence to get even that limited number of
authorizations.
Thus the overwhelming majority of conversations are neither tapped nor
recorded by the government, and for that to happen they have to:
a) Have a pretty good reason, with evidence;
b) Use this sparingly on highest priority "pretty good reasons."
Though the system may be imperfect, it is a long way from the horror stories
some here seem to believe or anticipate.
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IN ORDER to get the 15 nS response time you need, you are better off
going to an ECL slicer which can run off a single +5 or -5.2 V supply,
you just need to bias or do some level shifting perhaps to get it in the
range. Check out the ECL 10K books for a simple cheap solution.
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8 MB SIMMs do not have to be composite SIMMs, although many (most?) 16 MB
SIMMs are. 72-pin SIMMs allow two memory banks per SIMM, thus permitting
the use of 4 Mb DRAM devices (the same ones used on 4 MB SIMMs) to be used
for two 4 MB banks on one SIMM. I can't imagine that it would be cheaper
to build an 8 MB SIMM using 1 Mb DRAMs as the 4 Mb parts reached (and
exceeded) bit for bit price parity with the 1 Mb parts some time ago.
It's probably possible to build a single-bank 8 MB SIMM using 4 Mb parts -
this could cause problems in a Q800. I'm not sure why you'd want to do
this, though, as a dual-bank 8 MB SIMM would be cheaper to build than a
single-bank composite one.
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Very narrow. Very, very narrow. If you'll recall, I was the
nut that advocated the possibility of tactical nukes being militia
weapons in certain situations. How can you possibly define what is a
weapon and what isn't is only the start of this.
And you've just described any civilian reactor because your
definition fails to note what energy is being considered. Reactors
blow with a steam explosion, but the majority of energy still comes
from fission or fusion because that is what heated the coolant. See
what a can of worms this is? Last I heard, Ft. Calhoun station just
north of Omaha, Nebraska wasn't considered a weapon. Given the
sodium-cooled breeder designs on the blocks now, I can easily envision
reactors being household appliances in under twenty years. With the
PRISM design, there is *no* operator input needed on the reactor
itself, and it is not unreasonable to assume the secondary side can
be made equally as automatic in the future. So your definition is
flawed in a few respects already.
Typhoid Mary would likely fit this bill if she sneezed. If
you don't mind extrapolation, any HIV-positive person also fits this
bill if they interact with others in a way that stands any chance of
spreading the virus. Finally, that manure pile I mention below fits
this definition, as does, say, releasing a pet rattlesnake to the wild.
And I can show where any such gas has other uses. For example,
perhaps we would like to rid the hay field of gophers. Calcium Carbide
is a rock that dissolves in water to produce aceteylne gas. It can
be used for welding, in miners lamps, for gassing gophers, or for
making carbide bombs and doing some illicit fishing. Toss some in a
toilet and leave a lighted cigarette on the seat and you'll see that
it can also be a weapon, just like any other flammable substance.
So, now my miners lamps won't work, I can't do any welding, and I
still have those pesky gophers.
The basis for, but I'm sure you see that the problem is not
in writing a law, it is in writing a law that cannot be abused and
extended beyond the point where it does any good.
It is under your proposed law. So is a silage pit if there
is run-off. So are underground fuel tanks.
It meets all the criterion of a weapon. It is an instrument that
can be used for fighting, even though that is not its intended purpose,
and despite there being better weapons around. Given that the aquifers
supply a significant part of the country with drinking water, mass
destruction is rather a given.
It's not that certain weapons aren't something I'd rather not
see a lot of people having. The problem is that it is nearly
impossible to write a law such that it cannot be abused upon some
pretext or another. The looser your definition, the more ripe for
abuse that law is. Furthermore, if you get specific then the old
standby is to insert a clause allowing the list of banned things to
be added to, generally without going through the hassles of another
vote and public reading of the law. Again, ripe for abuse.
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No, this is not true. the CNN pictures show two sites clearly and a third is
barely distinguished.
If you have a tape you should note that there are two towers at either end
of the building, a big one and a little one. What appears to be merely a
long shot of the big tower with the tank in front is in fact the little
tower. You can tell beacuse the flag in the foreground switches sides from the
right of the picture to the left.
The third site is visible as the flames clearly come from a point obscured by
the small tower. You need a tape and a good slow motion video to see this.
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best way to reduce risk when operating a vehicle is being able to avoid
hazards and, for that reason my preferred vehicle is a motorcycle. When I do
use a four wheeler my primary reasons are: it will keep me dry, it will keep
me warm, or it will carry more cargo. If the four wheeler has as much
collision protection as the average motorcycle, then it has enough form me.
How do you define safe? One definition of safe is without risk. Is
--
Chas DoD #7769
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Hello there!
A week ago a guy asked what a .SCO file was - well I researched a bit and foundout that it is just another RIX file. .SCI files are 320x200 files and .SCO files are 1024x768 files! alle the other formats (800x600, 640x480...) are also called something like .SC(character).
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While watching the Penguins/Devils game last night, I saw the "slash" that
Barrasso took on the neck. This brought to mind the goaltender who had his
jugular vein cut by a skate. I think he was a Sabre, but I'm not positive.
Does anyone remember/know his name? What has happened to him since? What
about the player whose skate cut the goalie? Name? Info? Has this ever
happened before in a hockey game?
Thanks,
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Xt(App)AddTimeout doesn't work in xterm, because, despite appearances
to the contrary, xterm is not really an Xt based application. "Other
sources" like timeouts and inputs are never checked in xterm's main
loop. So don't be surprised when you try this and it doesn't work.
--
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I don't know the first thing about yeast infections but I am a scientist.
No scientist would take your statement --- "no convincing empirical evidence
to support the existence of systemic yeast syndrome" --- to tell you
anything except an absence of data on the question. Noring has pointed out
the catch-22 that if the "crazy" theory were true, you probably couldn't
find any direct evidence of it --- that you couldn't observe those yeastie
beasties with present methods even if they were there. Noring and the
fellow from Oklahoma (sorry, forgot your name) have also suggested one set
of anecdotal evidence in favor based on their personal experiences ---
namely, that when people with certain conditions are given anti-fungals,
many of them appear to get better.
So, if you have any evidence *against* the hypothesis --- for example,
controlled double-blind studies showing that the anti-fungals don't do any
better than sugar water --- then let's hear it. If you don't, then what we
have is anecdotal and uncontrolled evidence on one side, and abject
disbelief on the other. In which case, please, there is no point in yelling
back and forth at each other any longer since neither side has any
convincing evidence either positive or negative.
And I understand that your abject disbelief is based on the existence of
people who may get famous or make money applying the diagnosis to everything
in sight, making wild claims with no evidence, and always refusing to do
controlled studies. But that has absolutely no bearing on the apparently
sincere experiences of the people on the net observing anti-fungals working
on themselves and other people in certain specific cases. There are also
quacks who sell oral superoxide dismutase, in spite of the fact that it's
completely broken down in the guts, but this doesn't change the genuine
scientific knowledge about the role of superoxide dismutase in fighting
oxidative damage. Same thing. Just cause there are candida quacks, that
doesn't establish evidence against the candida hypothesis. If there's some
other reason (besides the quacks), if only anecdotal, to think it could be
true, then that is what has to be considered, that is what the net people
have been talking about.
But again, there is no point in arguing about it. There is anecdotal
evidence, and there is no convincing evidence, and there are also some
candida quacks out there, I hope everyone can agree on all of that. Thus,
it appears to me the main question now is whether the proponents can
marshall enough anecdotal evidence in a convincing and documented enough
manner to make a good case for carrying out a good controlled double-blind
study of antifungals (or else, forget convincing anybody else to carry out
the test, just carry it out themselves!) --- and also, whether they can
adequately define the patient population or symptoms on which such a study
should be carried out to provide a fair test of the hypothesis.
Ken
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<speaking of CPU fans>
Do these CPU Fans also have heat sinks? Do you recommend using both
on the same chip (i.e. heat sink sandwiched between CPU and Fan)?
If we are just talking about a CPU Fan blowing directly on the CPU chip,
I can't see how "heat sink grease" is necessary (or even desireable).
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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They looked unto him, and were lightened:
and their faces were not ashamed.
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PC GAMES FOR SALE......
Both Games in original package and original docs.
Jordan In Flight $30 +S&H
Test Drive 3 $15 + S&H
Or OBO
Contact Bob at...
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Does the phrase "Innocent until proven guilty" have ANY meaning anymore?
--
jmd@handheld.com
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If it's forbidden to inform someone of a police wiretap on their phone, then
is it legal to work privtely as a "sweeper," and report to the person you
work for whether you found a bug?
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I don't think MS has anything to brag about when it comes to following
DPMI. But then, consistency is the hobgoblin, etc., I suppose.
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I designed and built hardware in 1988 that would output a logic level (from
a 567 tone detector) upon detecting a 500 microwatt LED 28 feet away.
Used a Motorola MRD360, biased linearly in a DC-feedback loop to servo out
variations in sunlight (and 60Hz from lights). Used no lenses.
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You should read the history. It was Hoover who stopped Nixon's COINTELPRO
dead in its tracks because he said it was unconstitutional. They tried to
get around him every way they could.
Despite other things he may have done, for this alone, Hoover saved the
Constitution.
David
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Well, you can just about set your watch by Honda releasing new models every
4 years and an upgrade half way through the cars life. The local acura
dealership tells me that the new Integra will be out very soon, i.e. May/June.
Its hard to find specific details as the Integra has been deleted from
most of the rest of the world - I have seen them in Canada and Australia
as well as the U.S. but it was discontinued after the first generation
in Europe. Normally you can see new Japanese models appear in Europe
or Japan first and extrapolate from there. C+D reported that the engine
would be a carryover I think.
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Get ghostscript and ghostview. Ghostview is a postscript previewer
that uses ghostscript.
From the ghostview README:
Ghostview -- An X11 user interface for ghostscript.
Ghostview is full function user interface for ghostscript 2.4.
Brief list of features:
- Ghostview parses any known version of Adobe's Document Structuring
Conventions.
- Page size is automatically determined from the Document Structuring
Comments. The user is able to override the values from the comments.
- Window size is set to the bounding box for Encapsulated PostScript figures.
- Default page size is Letter and can be changed via Xresources or
application defaults file to A4 (or any other valid size) for our
European friends.
- Scrollbars appear when necessary.
- Page orientation is automatically determined from the Document Structuring
Comments. The user is able to override the values from the comments.
- Ability to view at 4 orientations: Portrait, Landscape, Upside-down,
and Seascape (for those who rotate landscape the other direction).
- Ability to preview in any supported visual. (Can preview in gray-scale
or color on a Color monitor.)
- Ability to mark pages for printing, or saving. (Good for people that
printed a 100 page document and lost page 59 due to a printer jam.)
- Can popup zoom windows at printer resolution
(1 display dot = 1 printer dot).
The Ghostview distribution includes a Ghostview Widget that people
are encouraged to use in other programs.
Ghostview-1.3 is available via anonymous ftp from:
prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/ghostview-1.3.tar.Z
appenzell.cs.wisc.edu:/pub/ghostview-1.3.tar.Z
From the ghostscript README:
*****************************************************
* This file describes version 2.4.1 of Ghostscript. *
*****************************************************
********
******** An overview of Ghostscript ********
********
Ghostscript is the name of a set of software that provides:
- An interpreter for the Ghostscript language, which very
closely resembles the PostScript (TM) language; and
- A set of C procedures (the Ghostscript library) that
implement the graphics capabilities that appear as primitive
operations in the Ghostscript language.
The Ghostscript language interpreter and library are written entirely
in C, with some assembly-language accelerators for MS-DOS platforms.
Currently, Ghostscript is known to run on the following platform
families:
- IBM PC and compatibles with EGA, VGA, SuperVGA, or compatible
graphics under MS-DOS 3.1, 3.3, or 5.0;
- A wide variety of Unix systems using X Windows version 11,
release 3, 4, and 5, including Sun-3, Sun-4, Sun-386i,
Sun SPARCStation 1; generic 80386 machines running 386/ix;
H-P 9000/300 and 9000/800; DECStation 2100 and 3100; VAX
running Ultrix; Sequent Symmetry; Convex C1 and C2;
Tektronix 4300; SGI Iris Indigo;
- Sun workstations (Sun-3, SPARC, Sun-386i) running SunView;
- VAX, VMS with X11R3/4/5, gcc and DEC C compiler (DEC C compiler
version 3.1 or later is required).
(Get ghostscript from the same ftp site you get ghostview.)
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>Clayton, babe, please define the word `molest`. Are you using
>a legal term or a proper dictionary term? Molest, as far as I
>can remember, means `to do damage to person(s)`. My mate,
>Mike, was lured into a woman's parlour when he was 14. Is
>that molestation? A number of my friends (straight) lost
>their virginity before that. Were they 'molested'? They told
>me that they thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I see no
>damage.
>
>Please stop pushing your objective morality on others. If you
>push, people won't fall over and say 'Ye gads, you're
>right!', they'll just push back.
>
>Have you signed up for that logic course yet?
Yep -- and the child that "Tree Frog Johnson" adbucted for 6 months reportedly
"enjoyed" her experiences as well. They trained her using food. As an FBI
agent reported (on his disciplinary action for beating up "Tree Frog") "when
you see a 2&1/2 year old baby cheerfully tell you she wants a peanut butter
sandwich and she'll suck your pee-pee, you lose control".
You are quite sick.
--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
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Gee, they lost to St. Louis twice this year. Maybe you should have your
eyes checked. 8^)
Go Blues....the Rodney Dangerfield team....They get no respect....except
in Chicago mabee...
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Here's the story:
(1) The IIsi *cannot* supply a VGA output. However...
(2) Some VGA-type monitors can adequately deal with the video signal
the Mac uses to drive the Apple 13 or 14 inch "high resolution color
display"---i.e., Apple's own 640x480 mode.
So, if you wish to hook one of these monitors up to your IIsi, you
need (a) an adapter that converts from the Mac DB-15 connector to the
VGA-style high density DB-15 connector, *but* tells the Mac to use
it's own 640x480 mode, not the VGA 640x480 mode, and (b) a VGA monitor
that can deal with the higher bandwidth of the Mac 640x480 mode over
the VGA 640x480 mode (which as I stated in (1) above, the IIsi cannot
produce).
As far as (a) above is concerned, contact
James Engineering, Inc.
6329 Fairmount Ave.
El Cerrito, CA 94530
510-525-7350
FAX: 510-525-5740
They can probably get you the right adapter. Remember: you do *not*
want the run-of-the-mill Mac-to-VGA adapter, because it will try to
have your IIsi produce the VGA mode, which it cannot (the computer
will just fail to produce any video signal at all). Instead, you want
an adapter that connects between the Mac-style and VGA-style
connectors, but tells the Mac to use the Apple 640x480 mode. Sorry
for the poor terminology available for describing this distinction.
As far as (b) is concerned, make sure to get a monitor that can deal
with a horizontal bandwidth of 35 KHz and a vertical retrace rate of
67 Hz. These are the spec's of Apple's 640x480 mode. For comparison,
the VGA-standard 640x480 mode uses a 31.5 KHz horizontal bandwidth and
a 60 Hz. vertical retrace rate.
The monitor will probably need to have auto-synch'ing capability, as
the Apple mode you'll be using isn't one of the set of standard modes
in the PC compatible world.
Good luck!
-Fred Martin
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I downloaded these files a couple of days ago and they appeared to be
incompatible with this particular card. None of the SVGA drivers worked.
They're probably for the newer 8900 and 9000 series.
JM
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I have the same question for any tools for the 6502 derivative processor
the 65C816 processor (designed by Western Design Center).
Thanks,
Oscar.
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IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems Division
RISC System/6000(tm) - Future Systems Hardware Architecture and Design Group
Mail Stop: ZIP 9461
11400 Burnet Road
Austin, Texas 78758 USA Phone: (512)823-0000
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