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Well, if you're willing to spend a little money, you could buy one
of those IDE caching controllers (assuming you have an IDE of course)
and put the 256K SIMMs on them. Hardware cache!
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In fact, this "productive human presence" in the desert has, in the
centuries it has been there, produced one of the greatest
civilizations in human history. They not only created the wheel, but
the printing press, the light bulb, Post-Modern skyscraper
architecture, Broadway theatre and nuclear power, as well.
Right, Elias. The Negev was a veritable Garden of Eden until the Evil
Jews turned off the rain and turned it into a horrible desert. Part
of the International Jewish Conspiracy. Say, who should I call to
turn off the rain here in NY, right now?
Yeah, deserts rarely look like the Garden of Eden.
This is why Nature Reserves people are heavily armed with anti-tank
weaponry. Just what we need in the Nature Reserves.
Nothing like "vast nuclear reactors" when it comes to hiding them from
air attack. AT least Saddam had the sense to hide his CBN plants in
"baby milk" factories.
Indeed, many older people recall fondly those lovely tomatoes and
oranges that the Bedouin exported form their Garden of Eden. In fact,
that region used to supply the entire world with bananas, until the
Jews pushed that business onto the "banana republics".
Elias, you're stupid postings are a source of considerable amusement
and hilarity. Please don't stop. I might even have to go back to
watching TV.
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I have the following Marx Brothers tapes forsale. I would like to sell
them as a batch if possible. All (except *) are new, carfully stored
copies I bought. I now own the laserdisks.
MGM/UA:
A Day at the Races
At the Circus
The Big Store
MCA
Hourse Feathers
The Cocoanuts
Duck Soup*
Animal Crackers*
--
brian
oplinger@ra.crd.ge.com
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I recently purchased an IBM monochrome vga monitor from Mike Damico. The
monitor arrived but it was missing it's power cable. Mike's address is
apparently not a proper address because mail can't reach it. If anyone
knows how to contact Mike and could help me find him I would appreciate it.
I am sure he just set aside the power cord as he was packing the monitor
but it would be a lot more useful to me if I had the cord as well.
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It's not quite what you were asking, but a few years ago I helped some EE
remote sensing people run some experiments on the microwave emmissivity of
ice; they used the sky for a background calibration source. They said that
from Earth's surface the sky looks like a 60K blackbody.
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First you need to connect them with a null modem cable.
Atleast thats what I've heard.
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Tasco 18EB 20X-60X60mm, used once, looks like new, worth $170, sell
$70 only. Buyers pay shipping.
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You unfortunately failed to mention if the error occurs with the Parity Error
Checking enabled or disabled. I assume you mean it gives you a parity error
when it's enabled, and not when it's disabled. How high will the count go on
the memory check at boot-up before this error occurs? Does the system beep
at all; if so what's the pattern of beeps? The error could be occuring in
Cache memory (not so likely) or video memory, as well as the simms.
The fact that you have AMI bios is not conclusive in determining the board
manufacturer either. Boards are made by thousands of small Taiwanese companies
(among others) that buy the name brand chips and put them together with some
simm sockets to make your board. I tend to doubt your problem is with your
IDE controller, also.
Anyway, perhaps if you answer those questions someone can help you out better.
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Hello everybody out there !
I'm trying to compile X11R5pl23 and Motif 1.2.1 on a HP running
HP-UX 8.05. But it' seems to be not very succesful, because
I have only hp.cf config-files for HP-UX 7.0.
I tried standard cc and X was compiled with a lot of warnings.
The motif applications are compiled quite well, but they won't run.
I receive the XKeysymDB error which is reported in FAQ, but
I cannot fix it. The XKeysymDB-file is at the right location and it
works fine under SunOS.
Probably I have started the compilation Prozess only with a wrong
config-file.
Please help me !
Thanx in advance
Markus
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: That's not inner calm. It's boredom, and it's being spoiled. The Arena's
: been as quiet as a church on many nights this year; too many of us just
: take winning for granted. It's been seemingly forever since the team
: lost, and we've forgotten what it's like to feel real excitement and
: surprise at victory.
At least last night there was some excitement. The Pens
didn't have it wrapped up before the game was half over like
the previous two games. I'm not sure if NJ just rose up and
played better or if the Penguins just started to play down
somewhat. Probably it was somewhere in between. New Jersey
seemed much more aggressive last night in the Pens end. They
did much more swarming around, which at least kept an
element of suspense in the game. No question that Billington
helped make it more interesting also. Claude Lemieux didn't
help the cause any though, with his ejection early in the
game. So, who's going to start in the Devils goal for the
"final" game Sunday? ;-) Sorry. I couldn't help myself.
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From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Subject: F<O>CUS/HEALTH: How U.S. compares... Children/Elderly in Poverty
F<O>CUS/HEALTH: How U.S. compares... Children/Elderly in Poverty
==================================================================
Percentage of children and elderly living in poverty 1984-1987:(3)
==================================================================
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CHILDREN ELDERLY
COUNTRY IN POVERTY IN POVERTY
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United States 20.4 10.9
Canada 9.3 2.2
Australia 9.0 4.0
United Kingdom 7.4 5.2
France 4.6 4.5
Netherlands 3.8 3.4
Germany 2.8 2.8
Sweden 1.6 4.3
Source: Timothy M. Smeeding, "U.S. Poverty and Income Security Policy in a
Cross National Perspective, October 1991, Luxembourg, October, 1991,
Luxembourg Income Study, working paper 70.
******************************************************************
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Of the 19 Western Industrial Nations:
=====================================
Western Industrial Countries having a National Health Insurance plan
providing universal coverage:
Australia YES Sweden YES
Canada YES United Kingdom YES
Denmark YES Austria YES
Finland YES France YES
Ireland YES Switzerland YES
Italy YES Spain YES
Japan YES Belgium YES
New Zealand YES Germany YES
Netherlands YES Norway YES
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Western Industrial Countries NOT having a National Health Insurance
plan providing universal coverage.
United States NO
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From page 74 of:
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_We're Number One, Where America Stands -- and Falls -- in the New
World Order_ by Andrew L Shapiro.
New York, May 1992, Vintage Books, a division of Random House.
$10 paperback. ISBN 0-679-73893-2
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[Transcribed by jhwoodar@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Woodard)]
``America is becoming a land of private greed and public squalor.
This book is an indispensable road map through the wreckage. The
facts it reveals will startle you. They may depress you. But
ideally they'll fire you up to help rebuild this nation.''
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[deleted stuff from Andrew wrt which atheist myth is Bill re: to]
"Counterfeit atheists". Hmmmm. So, we're just cheap knock-offs of the
True Atheists.
Religion demonstrates itself to be absurd. Constantly. Personally, if
someone asks, I'm happy to point out how this is so.
Man, what *is* your pill wrt atheists? If you're going to make such
contentious statements, back them up! At least, READ NEWS: time-and-time
again, we've hashed out the beliefs various religous doctrines hold.
Try debating reasonably with someone who makes a statement like,
"...more accurately oxymoric is the a term like, reasonable atheist."
Then take a look at the responses we've given Tammy. Seem pretty
"reasonable", nay, even "polite" to me.
[accusations of myths a-flyin']
I saw your reference to "According to" in the original article.
Then you do such an excellent job of spewing dogma that, well, the
implication was pretty clear (if wrong, in this case).
[jeez, a misunderstanding. Let it go.]
[more statements to wrap this thing up]
If you had WRITTEN your post with the same as care as the FAQ has been,
we wouldn't be having this discussion.
[gems about evidence deleted]
Jeez, do I have to point this out to you? This discussion is not all
instances of human reason. Therefore, your implication is false.
How lame can you get. Who said anything about the 'truth' of things?
Read the FAQ very carefully, please. Then report your findings about
where it says the purpose of a.a is to find the 'truth' of things.
And stop impressing your own misguided image of atheists upon us. It's
really pissing me off.
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: The same works for the horrors of history. To claim that Christianity
: had little to do with the Crusades or the Inquisition is to deny the
: awesome power that comes from faith in an absolute. What it seems you
: are doing twisting the reasonable statement that religion was never
: the solitary cause of any evil into the unreasonable statement that
: religion has had no evil impacts on history. That is absurd.
Scott,
Until this paragraph I would willingly amend my earlier statements,
since your point(s) are well made and generally accurate. This last
part though slips into hyperbole. Since I've discussed my objections to
such generalizations before, I really don't feel I need to do it
again. If you haven't seen those posts, ask Maddi, she saves
everything I write.
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: Recently an e-mail to me mentioned:
: (Technically, the messengers aren't even human so
: it *can't* be a case of "homosexuality" -- even of rape.) [...]
: The Jude reference to Sodom is also meaningful only in the context of
: the Sodomites' "lust" for the "other flesh" of angels. Again,
: application to homosexual behavior in general, or to the position of
: gay Christians is largeely specious.
: ***
: Are angels "flesh"? No. I feel that this is saying that it was because
: of their lust after other men, who are flesh( or of this world).
: what are other opinons on this? I haven't heard much about this verse
: at all.
Bo Reike in the Anchor Bible volume on _James, Peter, and Jude_ points
out that all the examples given in this section of Jude are distinguishing
the elect from _apostates_, not just the wicked in general. Hence, those
who were delivered from Egypt, but did not follow Moses (and, by extension,
God); the apostate angels; and Sodom and Gomorrah. Quoting Reike:
"Fornication may here, as often in the New Testament,
refer to idolatry, while "flesh" (as in I Pet 1:24)
denotes human society and its violent attempts at self-
exaltation. Sodom and Gommorrah represent the leaders
of apostasy, and the surrounding cities correspond to
their followers." [p. 199]
There is no inherent reason to read this verse (7) as literally referring
to actual sexual lust for "alien flesh". Nor is it inherently necessary
to understand it as referring to homosexuality, outside of the circular
reasoning that has already concluded that the sin of Sodom is the sin
of homosexuality. The only place that the sin of Sodom is specified, and
not merely inferred, is in Ezekiel 16:49 "This was the guilt of your sister
Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease,
bit did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty, and did abominable
things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.
For the same reason (overliteralizing the text) your correspondent's
suggestion that the reason the passage doesn't deal with homosexuality
is because the guests were angels and not men is just silly. There
are much more solid reasons for pointing out the irrelevance of the
Sodom passages for dealing with homosexuality per se.
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This pretty much confirms my original impression after reading
through the documentation on dos-6. The double space sounds nice,
but NOT on your primary disk!! I'll probably wind up making a
disk partition d: and doublespacing *it*, using it as an archive.
Probably would be useful on floppy disks as well. But on c:? Uh, uh...
[I particularly disliked the note that said something like "double
space is irreversible"].
--Cindy
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My reason for saying that was 'cause _I_, if _I_ were a cop
wouldn't go out of my way to tell people how to break the law.
Would you?
The part about honesty was a joke, sorta.
Obviously, people have had bad experiences with cops
lying. Obviously, nobody's perfect and nobody
_always_ tells the truth about everything.
(Or are you God? 1/4 ;)
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: > From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
: Bzzzzt. THANK you for playing, but obviously you are not reading the
: material as it is presented. According to the report I've got in my
: hands, the Newsweek article (which reported that "2 to 3 percent" of the
: population is gay) used the criteria of "No heterosexual contact in the
: past year." But at the same time, the University of Denver study points
: out, quite dramatically, that 60% of all self-identifying gay men have
: > had some form of heterosexual contact in the past year.
:
: I think the big mistake in that study must be that if one had had no sexual
: contact of any kind in the previous year, they are counted as heterosexual.
: Even if they didn't intend it that way, that's how the figures are being used.
Could someone please post some date such as what questonnares where used
and how they were distributed and returned.
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: After reading the posts on this newsgroup for the pasts 4 months, it
: has become apparent to me that this group is primarily active with
: Liberals, Catholics, New Agers', and Athiests. Someone might think
: to change the name to: soc.religion.any - or - perhaps even
: soc.religion.new. It might seem to be more appropriate.
: Heck, don't flame me, I'm Catholic, gay, and I voted
: for Bill Clinton. I'm on your side!
Since when did conservative, protestant, old-time religion believers get
an exclusive francise to christianity? Christianity is, and always has
been, a diverse and contentious tradition, and this group reflects that
diversity. I, fo one, am not ready to concede to _any_ group- be they
"liberal" or "conservative", catholic, protestant, or orthodox, charismatic
or not- the right to claim that they have _the truth_, and everyone else
is not "christian."
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Here's the scoop:
For the past two years, I have been using an SE/30 with a Sony 1304s and
a Lapis video card. This past month, I bought a Quadra 800 and am now
using the Sony on it. My SE/30 has been shipped home to my father who
is planning on getting an Apple 14" monitor (The Trinitron one). My
question is this: What kind of power cord will he get with the Apple
monitor. Does it come with two types? As I recall, one can hook up the
power cord of an apple monitor to the back of a machine such as my
Quadra 800. However, for my father's SE/30, there is no extra plug which
allows use of the SE/30's power supply. He needs to plug it into the
socket separately. So...does the monitor come with a cable that will allow
him to do this? Will have to buy a different cable? IF yes, where can he
purchase such a cable? or apple kind enough to provide both types of cables?
Thanks in advance,
Derek
******************************************************************************
DEREK FONG * EMAIL: thewho@plume.mit.edu
Dept. of Physical Oceanography * thewho@darla.whoi.edu
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I hate to sound flippant, having shot off my mouth badly on the net
before, but I'm afraid that much of this material only adds to my
feeling that "the assumption of Mary" would be better phrased "our
assumptions _about_ Mary." In all the time I've been reading about
Mary on this group, I can not recall reading much about Mary that
did not sound like wishful veneration with scant, if any, Scriptural
foundation.
I find in the New Testament a very real portrait of Christ's parents
as compellingly human persons; to be honored and admired for their
humility and submission to God's working, beyond doubt. But the almalga-
mation of theories and dogma that has accreted around them gives me
an image of alien and inhuman creatures, untouched by sin or human
desire. Only Christ himself was so truly sanctified, and even He knew
temptation, albeit without submitting to it.
I also don't see the _necessity_ of saying the Holy Parents were some-
how sanctified beyond normal humanity: it sounds like our own inability
to grasp the immensity of God's grace in being incarnated through an or-
dinary human being.
I won't start yelling about how people are "worshipping" Mary, etc.,
since folks have told me otherwise about that, but I do think we
lose part of the wonder of God's Incarnation in Christ when we make
his parents out to be sinless, sexless, deathless, otherworldly beings.
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Indeed so; it's at the extreme limit of what is humanly possible. It is
possible only because Mount Everest is at a fairly low latitude: there
is a slight equatorial bulge in the atmosphere -- beyond what is induced
by the Earth's rotation -- thanks to the overall circulation pattern of
the atmosphere (air cools at poles and descends, flowing back to equator
where it is warmed and rises), and this helps just enough to make Everest-
without-oxygen feasible. Only just feasible, mind you: the guys who did
it reported hallucinations and other indications of oxygen starvation,
and probably incurred some permanent brain damage.
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DEC LK250-AA PC keyboard for sale:
- automatically senses machine type and switches between AT/XT modes
- same exact key layout as DEC's VT2xx, VT3xx, etc., with DEC
names on keys as well as PC names
- standard AT/XT cable included
- great for use with a VTxxx terminal emulator - all the keys are there
and in the correct place. (i.e. GOLD PF1, PF2, etc.)
- perfect condition, very good feel
- $130 + shipping (DEC price was around $300)
Send email if you have questions.
Thanks,
Keith
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More to the point, how long are atheists going to be insulted
by the disgraceful addition of religious blah-blah to our
money and out pledge?
--
"What's big, noisy and has an IQ of 8?"
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think you're deliberatly overstating the requirements for OS/2.
Considering that OS/2 is a multi-threaded true multitasking OS and
takes the place of DOS and Windows and more, I actually think the
requirements for OS/2 are very reasoable. I also think that anyone
using Windows 3.1 without 8 megs of RAM, a 386-40, and 200 megs of
hard drive space, is beating their head against a wall. Those are
also legitimate requirements for OS/2. In fact, the requirements
for Windows 3.1 and OS/2 are about equal.
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[Much discussion about economics of safety deleted]
This is a very simplistic view of safety. Assuming that you are in a collision
(less likely with a more agile smaller car), then the important factor
is how well does the car sacrifice itself to save you. This is why a thousand
pound F1 car can hit a wall at 200 and the driver walks out and why
everybody dies when a Suburban hits a wall at 35 (as I recall for the last
generation Suburban HIC numbers).
As an aside, just what is the point of an airbag? It seems to me that
seatbelts with pretensioners (Audi et al), or a good tight 5 point belt
will prevent you every moving far enough to hit the airbag. You might be
saved from some flyign glass? Or is an airbag just a lowest common denominator
safety device that is of some use in a head on collision when you are
wearing no seat belt?
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: I've seen people in their forties and fifties become disoriented and
: demented during hospital stays. In the examples I've seen, drugs were
: definitely involved.
: My own father turned into a vegetable for a short time while in the
: hospital. He was fifty-three at the time, and he was on 21 separate
: medications. The family protested, but the doctors were adamant, telling
: us that none of the drugs interact. They even took the attitude that, if
: he was disoriented, they should put him on something else as well! With
: the help of an MD friend of the family, we had all his medication
: discontinued. He had a seizure that night, and was put back on one drug.
: Two days later, he was his old self again. I guess there aren't many
: medical texts that address the subject of 21-way interactions.
I saw the same thing happen to my father, and I can more or less validate your
take on hospitals. It seems to me that medical science understands precious
little about taking care of the human machine. Drugs are given as a
response to symptoms (and I guess that makes sense since all the studies that
validate the effectiveness of those drugs are based on a narrow
assessment of the degree of particular symptoms). But there seems
to be very little appreciation for the well-being of a person
outside of the numbers that appear on a test. I watched my dad
wither away and lose huge amounts of body fat and muscles tissue
while in the hospital. There is something a little crazy about a
system in which there is more attention paid to giving you every
latest drug available than there is attention paid to whether you
have had enough to eat to prevent loss of muscle tissue. It is
really, really bizarre.
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Good advice.
My Ol'lady taps me on the shoulder to let me know she is
uncomfortable. I, in turn, am prepared for her to move about on the
back of the bike.
We had 1 bad crash (nail in rear tire on left hand sweeper at crest
of hill on pavement/pea-gravel road) and her actions helped lessen
the severity of it. As we were crashing, she stayed upright in the
saddle with her feet on the pegs and her hands about my waist. I was
able to get the bike slowed down 10-15mph before we were high-sided.
She got off with a fair case of road rash and I had to have the doc
remove a lot of rocks from my knee. Had she panicked we would have
probably crashed at greater speed causing greater injury.
BTW, as soon at the tire went flat, we went into VIOLENT tank-
slappers. This is what she rode out in a "normal" riding posture!
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>
> Regarding the horror stories about DOS6/DOUBLEDISK and STACKER 2.?
> killing hard drives:
>
> I was wondering if the dos 6 MIRROR command works on the doubled
> drive info as well as the normal fat table and partition table.
> If it records the vital DoubleDisk info, then using it daily
> should go a long way toward protecting yourself against the
> type of catastrophic failure discussed. If it doesn't, then
> shame on Microsoft.
>
MIRROR is one of those DOS commands that didn't survive the change
from DOS 5.0. It's been dropped, along with BACKUP, JOIN, EDLIN
and a couple other crummy old DOS commands. You can still use the
5.0 commands if you absolutely have to, but they are not included
on the 6.0 distribution disks.
However, in MIRROR's case, I'm 99.9% certain that it does not know
anything about DoubleSpaced drives...
Eric
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Are you serious?!!! Here's an exercise next time you are in the barnyard.
Take *your* model and hold it directly above a fresh cowpie. Then release the
model. You will observe that on its own *your* model will assume a trajectory
earthward and come to rest exactly where it belongs. Watch out for splatters,
particularly if you are wearing shorts when you perform this experiment.
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I am not quite so sure about the illegality of using a regular American phone
on your home system. I vaguely remember a few years ago, when "Deutsche
Bundespost" split into Postdienst, Postbank, and Telekom there was some
discussion about a new regulation. I know that cordless or cellular phones
still have to be approved by the Telekom, but does that hold true for regular
phones? In my areacode in Germany (2234 - Frechen, near Koeln) you can use
touch-tone dialing. I assume, however, that most areas are still exclusively
set to pulse dialing. Last time I checked (Jan '93) the Cologne areacode 221
was still solely pulse dialing.
BTW, touch tone does become more common in Germany, bringin with it the
flourishing of 1-900 services (in Germany 0190). I just hope we'll all have
ISDN some time at an affordable price - idle wishes...
Markus Iturriaga
"Things go smoother with lard!"
iturriag@utkvx.utk.edu "Bring back the glory that was grease!"
iturriag@utkvx.bitnet -East Tennessee Lard Advisory Council
MILLARD FILLMORE LIVES!
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Can someone elaborate a little on what this "Libertarian" movement is? I
am not going to draw conclusions from a small sample, but so far I
recall two self-described "Libertarians" posting here. Both seems to be:
1) Incredibly ignorant.
2) Incredibly arrogant.
3) All they want is to get people angry.
4) Posses a lousy sense of humor.
5) write incoherently and jump from topic to topic without any logical
connection between topics.
6) Describe themselves as intelligent and knowledgeable, although everything
in their posters points to the opposite.
7) Very childish.
Is this some campaign to smear this Libertarian party or what?
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Sometimes when I boot up windows 3.1, after the windows logo comes up it han
gs, I am using Dos 6 and doublespace, and a 5 meg temp swap file on an
uncompressed drive.
But when I press the reset button on the computer, windows boots up
fine... Why is this??? is it dos 6?
--
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good but where are these drivers??
anybody at Actix listening? Upload the dang drivers to an ftp site pleeeeeeese?!
cheers,
Kym
_______________________________________________________________________________
Kym A. Burgemeister
Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Adelaide
South Australia Ph. +61 8 228 4713
5005 Facs. +61 8 224 0464
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Wow, I hadn't realized how VENOMOUS this was getting! Be careful here...the
problem isn't the rich but the values and the systems that make the rich
rich. Things are designed in such a way that in order to go with the system
and make money, everything ELSE we care about goes to shit. I have to
constantly remind myself that the goal of human society is not to make
money. Money doesn't make us happy; it just prevents certain things making
us more unhappy.
Therefore, don't shoot the rich. Shoot the conservatives!
Drewcifer
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Here's a listing that I came accross a while ago. This question seems to
come up often enough that I figured this would be of interest. Note that
the server "X Appeal" for DOS is available in demo form on the internet via
anonymous ftp. This is one way of quickly checking out the feasability of
using your system as an X server. Enjoy!
- Pete
------------------------------- Begin Enclosure ----------------------------
From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. McCoy)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,news.answers
Subject: X Servers for DOS, Microsoft Windows, OS/2, Macs, Amigas, Atari
Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel J. McCoy)
Organization: I-NET Inc.
Summary: This is a guide or list of X servers that can be used on nonUNIX [sic] networked machines to display X clients running on UNIX machines.
Archive-name: XServers-NonUNIX
Last-modified: 1993/04/01
Version: 12.0
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X Servers for DOS, Microsoft Windows, OS/2, Macs, Amigas, Atari
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April 1, 1993 - Volume 12.0
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AUTHOR: Daniel J. McCoy
I-NET Inc.
Software Technology Branch
Information Systems Directorate
NASA/Johnson Space Center
POST MAIL: NASA Mail Code PT4
NASA/Johnson Space Center
Houston, Texas 77058
E-MAIL: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
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This is a monthly guide of X servers that can be used on non-UNIX
networked machines to display X clients running on UNIX machines. I
use the name UNIX loosely here. I know others can run X.
The sources for this information come from many places: the FAQ for
comp.windows.x, blurbs and info packets from the vendors, user manuals
for the products themselves, conversations with sales representatives,
personal experience, comp.windows.x articles, etc.
Please forward any corrections or updates to the above address.
This file is also available by anonymous ftp at:
export.lcs.mit.edu[18.24.0.12] in /contrib/XServers-NonUNIX.txt.Z
ftp.uwp.edu[131.210.1.4] in /pub/misc/XServers-NonUNIX.txt
msdos.archive.umich.edu[141.211.164.153] in
msdos/info/XServers-NonUNIX.txt and msdos/info/xnonunix.zip
X Servers for DOS:
DESQview/X
IBM X/Windows
Micro X-DOS
Micro X-lite
PC DECWindows Motif V3.0
PC X-Windows
PC Xsight
PC-XView
SAGE 1280 Adapter and X Windows Display Server
TeemTalk-X
Vista-eXceed
X Appeal
Xinet X-Station
Xnth
XoftWare for DOS
XoftWare for TIGA/DOS
X Servers Microsoft Windows:
DESQview/X
eXcursion for Windows
eXodus for MS Windows
HCL-eXceed/W
MicroX
MultiView/X
PC-XView
Vista-eXceed
X-One
X11/AT
XoftWare
XVision
X Servers OS/2:
IBM X-Windows for OS/2
X Servers Macintosh:
eXodus
MacX
X Servers Amiga:
UNKNOWN
X Window System Version 11 Release for the Amiga Computer
X Servers Atari:
X/TOS/window/server and X/TOS/window/server/color
==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers==X-Servers===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
DESQview/X
==========
Vendor:
Melinda
Quarterdeck Office Systems, Inc.
150 Pico Boulevard
Santa Monica, CA 90405
TEL: (310)392-9851
FAX: (310)399-3802
Price:
$275
Latest Version:
1.0
CPU:
386SX or higher (286 version available)
Memory:
4 Mbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or higher
DR DOS 6 or higher
Mouse:
optional - MS compatible pointing device
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, Super VGA, 8514/A, or 256 color DGIS
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
40 Mbyte hard drive
Features:
incorporates X into the DESQview multi-tasking DOS environment
adds a graphical 3D look and feel to DESQview
gives users a choice of window managers (look and feels)
provides a growth path from character mode DOS to industry standard
graphical user interfaces
runs most regular DOS applications
runs DOS Extended applications up to 4Gbytes
can display DOS applications within graphical windows
multitasks DOS applications and X Clients either locally or remotely
provides a simple port of applications from other X systems to
DESQview/X and vice versa
gives developers a choice of application appearances, based on toolkit
chosen
supports toolkits that provide features required by developers such as
push buttons, scrollbars, pop up dialogue boxes, etc.
Adobe Type Manager for scalable fonts and scalable DOS windows
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
IBM X/Windows
=============
Vendor:
IBM
part #5765-025
Price:
Latest Version:
2.1
CPU:
Memory:
Operating System:
DOS
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
Micro X-DOS
===========
Vendor:
StarNet Communications Corporation
3073 Lawrence Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95051
TEL: (408)739-0881
FAX: (408)739-0936
micro-x@starnet.com
Prices:
$345.00 1 unit
$225.00 ea. 5 pack (greater discount for larger quantities)
upgrades at 25% of original price
educational discount of 10%
Latest Version:
1.6.1
CPU:
386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
Ahead(V5000)
ATI(18800)
Everex(VP VGA)
Genoa(6400)
Paradise(900C00/11/30)
STB(EM-16)
Trident(8800CS)
Tseng Labs(ET-3000-4000)
Video7(HT208 V7VGA)
Western Digital(900C00/11/30)
ZyMOS(Poach51)
VESA
and others
Ethernet Card:
3Com/3C501/503/505/523
3Com EtherLink/MC
Cabletron 1-2-3000
Micom-Interlan NI5010-5210
Western Digital WD80003E
Novell NE-1000/2000
National Semiconductor
boards that have their own packet driver from manufacturer
Network Software Included:
StarNet TCP/IP (integrated)
NCSA Telnet, ftp, lpr, etc.
Packet Drivers (Clarkson/Crynwr)
Network Software Supported:
Beame & Whiteside - BW-TCP
FTP Software - PC/TCP
Sun - PC-NFS
Disk Space:
3 Mbytes (9 Mbytes for all fonts)
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte needed
Features:
X11R4
Intelligent installation program
TCP/IP built-in
Support Motif, OPEN LOOK, and DEC
Supports Clarkson (Crynwr) packet drivers
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
Micro X-lite
============
Vendor:
StarNet Communications Corporation
3073 Lawrence Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95051
TEL: (408)739-0881
FAX: (408)739-0936
micro-x@starnet.com
Prices:
$75.00
Latest Version:
1.5.3
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
640 Kbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
Ahead(V5000)
ATI(18800)
Everex(VP VGA)
Genoa(6400)
Paradise(900C00/11/30)
STB(EM-16)
Trident(8800CS)
Tseng Labs(ET-3000-4000)
Video7(HT208 V7VGA)
Western Digital(900C00/11/30)
ZyMOS(Poach51)
VESA
and others
Ethernet Card:
3Com/3C501/503/505/523
3Com EtherLink/MC
Cabletron 1-2-3000
Micom-Interlan NI5010-5210
Western Digital WD80003E
Novell NE-1000/2000
National Semiconductor
boards that have their own packet driver from manufacturer
Network Software Included:
StarNet TCP/IP (integrated)
NCSA Telnet, ftp, lpr, ...
Packet Drivers (Clarkson/Crynwr)
Network Software Supported:
Beame & Whiteside - BW-TCP
FTP Software - PC/TCP
Sun - PC-NFS
Disk Space:
2 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte needed
Features:
X11R4
Intelligent installation program
TCP/IP built-in
8 clients on screen at time
Fixed font oriented (variable fonts available)
Support Motif, OPEN LOOK, and DEC
Supports Clarkson (Crynwr) packet drivers
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
PC DECWindows Motif V3.0
========================
Vendor:
Dennis Giokas
PC DECWindows Development
Digital Equipment Corporation
30 Porter Rd.
Littleton, MA 01460
Price:
Latest Version:
V3.0
CPU:
286, 386
Memory:
up to 15 Mbytes
Operating System:
MS-DOS
Mouse:
any pointing device with MS Mouse V6.0 or later interface
Graphics:
EGA (16 color and mono)
MCGA
VGA (16 color and mono)
enhanced VGA (800x600 16 color and mono)
8514/A (1024x768 16/256 color)
pseudo color visual
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
TCP/IP and DECnet
Disk Space:
Features:
X11 Release 4 server
integrated virtual memory manager
standard IBM-compatible keyboards and Digital's LK250
Session manager client integrated into the server
suspend session feature to run DOS commands
Font Compiler for Adobe Bitmap Distribution files
KEYSYM compiler to customize the keyboard for default KEYCODE to KEYSYM
mappings; over 70 pre-defined keyboard mapping files
Configuration utility to define hardware environment and user
preferences
supports DECnet and TCP/IP. Available from DEC.
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
PC-XView
========
Vendor:
Network Computing Devices Inc.
PC-Xdivision
9590 SW Gemini Drive
Beaverton, OR 97005
TEL: (800)800-9599, (503)641-2200
FAX: (503)643-8642
There are also 15 NCD technical and sales offices around the United
States and other international offices
Price:
PC-Xview for DOS $445.00 for 1 $1780.00 for 5
Annual Maintenance $150.00 for 1 $450.00 for 5
Update $125.00 for 1 $375.00 for 5
Latest Version:
PC-Xview for DOS Version 4.0
CPU:
286, 386 (386 recommended)
Memory:
1 Mbyte (2 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
DOS 3.2 or higher
Mouse:
Graphics:
CGA, EGA, VGA, SVGA, XGA, TIGA
8514/A Video Standard supported with extended memory
Japanese Graphics Mode
high resolution graphics boards: Compac, Dell, HP, NEC,
Spectragraphics Squeegee, and over 50 other DGIS-based
Ethernet Card:
over 35 Ethernet communications boards supported
Network Software Needed:
TCP/IP
DECnet
Disk Space:
5 Mbytes (7 Mbytes recommended)
Features:
UNIX application support for traditional applications and
window managers such as Motif and OPEN LOOK
off-loads the graphics processing of UNIX hosts
hot-key to DOS
access to local peripherals and DOS utilities
easy and well-documented installation procedures
pop-up control panel
Motif compliant Local Window Manager
ability to run in Windows PIF window
hot-key between X and DOS (no longer have to exit) a TSR
DPMI compatibility
enhanced protocol tracing
Support XRemote protocol
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
PC X-Windows
============
Vendor:
Intelligent Decisions Inc.
536 Weddell Dr. Suite 2C
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
TEL: (408)734-3730
FAX: (408)734-3634
Price:
$295
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
1 Mbyte (more recommended for hi-res or lots of pixmaps)
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 of higher
Mouse:
MS compatible mouse
Graphics:
VGA, some SVGA
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
FTP Software's PC/TCP
Wollongong's WIN/TCP
Disk Space:
4 Mbytes on hard disk
Features:
Port of MIT X11R4 server
Shape extension
MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE
XDMCP
font compiler
fonts supplied
Motif, Open Look, DECWindows (VMS and Ultrix) demonstrated to work with
this server at InterOp last year.
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
PC Xsight
=========
Vendor:
PC XSight
Locus Computing Corporation
9800 La Cienega Blvd.
Inglewood, CA 90301
TEL: (800)955-6287
CA: (213)670-6500
UK: +44 296 89911
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
8088, 8086, 286, 386
Memory:
640 Kbytes base memory with 512 Kbytes available
896 Kbytes extended memory
Operating System:
MS/PC DOS 3.1 or later
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse and driver (3 button mouse recommend)
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, Hercules, or AT&T 6300
Ethernet Card:
Excelan EXOS 205 or 205T
3COM 3C501
Western Digital WD8003E
Micom NI5210
Acer Multitech 5220
Network Software:
Disk Space:
5-1/4-inch high-density or 3-1/2-inch diskette drive
1 Mbyte
Features:
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
SAGE 1280 Adapter and X Windows Display Server
==============================================
Vendor:
Sigma Designs, Inc.
46501 Landing Parkway
Fremont, CA 94538
TEL: (415)770-0100
FAX: (415)770-0110
TELEX: 17124
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or higher or UNIX System V/386
Mouse:
Graphics:
high end multiscanning or fixed frequency 64 kHz monitors
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
menu-driven installation and configuration program
1280x1024 resolution
TIGA-340, 8514/A AI Emulation
CGA, MDA, Hercules, VGA pass-through emulation modes
256 colors displayable simultaneously from a palette of 16.7 million
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
TeemTalk-X
==========
Vendor:
Pericom
TEL: +44 (0908) 560022
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
Memory:
Operating System:
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
for IBM clones allows toggling between X and DOS
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
Vista-eXceed
============
Vendor:
Control Data Corporation
Vista Distributing Computing
9315 Largo Drive West
Suite 250
Landover, MD 20785
TEL: (301)808-4270
Price:
Vista-eXceed
Vista-eXceed Plus
Vista-eXceed Plus/8514A
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
640 Kbytes to 1 Mbyte for DOS server
1.64 Mbytes for Vista-eXceed Plus and Vista-eXceed Plus/8514A
Operating System:
MS-DOS or PC-DOS 3.0 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button MS compatible mouse
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, or SVGA
color or analog monochrome monitor
Ethernet Card:
any supported by TCP/IP transports listed below
Network Software:
PC/TCP Network Software for DOS by FTP Software Inc.
PC-NFS by Sun Microsystems, Inc.
WIN/TCP for DOS by The Wallongong Group, Inc.
Pathway Access for DOS by The Wallongong Group, Inc.
LAN WorkPlace TCP/IP Transport System by Novell/Excelan
3+Open TCP by 3COM Corporation
HP ARPA Services by Hewlett Packard Corporation
Net-One TCP BNS/PC by Ungermann-Bass, Inc.
BWNFS or Telnet Package by Beame & Whiteside Software Ltd.
Disk Space:
hard disk
Features:
can may up to 16 Mbytes available for client processing
emulates a 3-button mouse with a 2-button mouse
full interactive support for X font names and alias' schemes
locally modify keyboard mapping
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
X Appeal
========
Vendor:
Giovanni Novelli
Xtreme s.a.s. - Livorno, Italy
FAX: +39-586-502310
xappeal@xtreme.sublink.org (before 1-1-93)
xappeal@xtreme.it (after 1-1-93)
Price:
$350 with quantity discounts:
23% off for 20 copies
39% off for 50 copies
51% off for 100 copies
additional 30% discount for educational institutions
demo copies available through anonymous ftp at garbo.uwasa.fi:
pc/demo/xap13exe.zip (README and executables)
pc/demo/xap10fon.zip (local server fonts)
pc/connect/drivers.zip (packet drivers)
Latest Version:
1.3
CPU:
386SX or higher
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
MS-DOS 3.30 or later
Mouse:
any pointing device with MS Mouse compatible driver
Graphics:
most SVGA boards in 256 color mode
Ahead (V5000B)
ATI (18800)
Chips & Technologies (82C452)
Genoa (6400)
NCR (77C22E)
Oak Technologies (OTI-067)
Paradise (WD90C00)
Trident (8900, 8900C)
Tseng Labs (ET3000, ET4000)
Western Digital (WD90C00)
Ethernet Card:
any model compatible with packet drivers
Network Software:
TCP/IP included
Disk Space:
at least 2 Mbytes
Features:
full X11R5 Server implementation, including PEX and font server support
screen painting exceeds 6000 Xstones in 1024x768 resolution (256 colors)
on a 386/33 without 387
support for all color classes (StaticGray, GrayScale, StaticColor,
PseudoColor, TrueColor and DirectColor)
run-time resolution switch and panning on a virtual screen
emulates a 3-button mouse with a 2-button mouse
fast cursor tracking
full support for European keyboard layouts
no memory limitation through use of virtual memory
32 bit protected mode DOS-extended application
built-in TCP/IP support, using the packet driver for the Ethernet
board (free packet driver collection included)
interactive configuration utility
X Display Manager Control Protocol support (for hosts running xdm)
X-Authorization (MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1)
shape Extension for non-rectangular windows
font compiler and RGB database utilities
X11 fonts provided, including fonts for Sun Open Windows and DECWindows
UNIX application support for traditional applications and
window managers such as Motif and OPEN LOOK
built-in rcp/rsh server, to allow file transfers and the execution
of useful DOS functions without leaving the X environment
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
Xinet X-Station
===============
Vendor:
Xinetron
CA
TEL: (408)727-5509
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386
Memory:
Operating System:
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
up to 8 clients
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
Xnth
====
Vendor:
Jerry Norman
Nth Graphics, Ltd.
TEL: (800)624-7552
this X server project has been abandoned
Price:
CPU:
286, 386
Memory:
Operating System:
DOS 3.3 or higher
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
TCP/IP
Disk Space:
Features:
supports 1280X1024 or 1024X768 resolution monitors at 256 colors (out
of 16M) with hardware acceleration for graphics and text
operations
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
XoftWare for DOS
================
Vendor:
AGE Logic, Inc.
9985 Pacific Heights Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92121
TEL: (619)455-8600, (619)565-7373
FAX: (619)597-6030
email: sales@age.com
Bert Shure
TEL: (619)455-8600(ext.104)
email: bert@age.com, age!bert@ucsd.edu
Price:
$395.00
with TCP/IP $495.00
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes extended
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, SVGA or 8514
Ethernet Card:
compatible with network software
Network Software:
3Com 3+ Open TCP(1.2 of higher)
DEC Pathworks TCP/IP (1.1 of higher)
ftp PC/TCP (2.05 of higher)
Novell LAN WorkPlace (4.01 of higher)
Sun PC/NFS (3.5 or higher)
Wollongong Pathway Access (2.05 or higher)
Disk Space:
2 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte floppy needed
Features:
MIT compliant with AGE extensions
Hotkeys to DOS and MS Windows
Passive, telnet, rsh, rexec, or XDMCP startup modes
Motif, OpenLook, and DECWindows support
Virtual screen Support
International keyboard support
Full font library in SNF format
BDF to SNF font compiler
Complete documentation
Support and update service
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
XoftWare for TIGA/DOS
=====================
Vendor:
AGE Logic, Inc.
9985 Pacific Heights Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92121
TEL: (619)455-8600, (619)565-7373
FAX: (619)597-6030
email: sales@age.com
Bert Shure
TEL: (619)455-8600(ext.104)
email: bert@age.com, age!bert@ucsd.edu
Price:
$495.00
with TCP/IP $595.00
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
512 Kbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
Texas Instruments TMS340-based graphics accelerator with TIGA 2.0 or
higher whith 1Mbyte DRAM
Ethernet Card:
compatible with network software
Network Software:
3Com 3+ Open TCP(1.2 of higher)
DEC Pathworks TCP/IP (1.1 of higher)
ftp PC/TCP (2.05 of higher)
Novell LAN WorkPlace (4.01 of higher)
Sun PC/NFS (3.5 or higher)
Wollongong Pathway Access (2.05 or higher)
Disk Space:
2 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte floppy needed
Features:
MIT compliant with AGE extensions
Hotkeys to DOS and MS Windows
Passive, telnet, rsh, rexec, or XDMCP startup modes
Motif, OpenLook, and DECWindows support
Virtual screen Support
International keyboard support
Full font library in SNF format
BDF to SNF font compiler
Complete documentation
Support and update service
Optimized for TIGA graphics accelerators
===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS==DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===DOS===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
DESQview/X
==========
Vendor:
Melinda
Quarterdeck Office Systems, Inc.
150 Pico Boulevard
Santa Monica, CA 90405
TEL: (310)392-9851
FAX: (310)399-3802
Price:
$275
Latest Version:
1.0
CPU:
386SX or higher (286 version available)
Memory:
4 Mbytes recommended
Operating System:
PC or MS DOS 3.0 or higher
DR DOS 6 or higher
Mouse:
MS compatible pointing device
Graphics:
EGA
VGA
Super VGA
8514/A
256-color DGIS
ATI 18800/28800(800x600)
C&T 82c452(720x540)
C&T 82c453(1024x768)
Tseng ET3000(800x600)
Tseng ET4000(1024x768)
Genoa 6400(800x600)
WD PVGA1a(640x480)
WD90C00(640x480)
WD90C11(800x600)
some revisions of Headland VEGA(800x800) and Headland V7VGA(1024x768)
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
40 Mbyte hard drive
Features:
incorporates X into the DESQview multi-tasking DOS environment
adds a graphical 3D look and feel to DESQview
gives users a choice of window managers (look and feels)
provides a growth path from character mode DOS to industry standard
graphical user interfaces
runs most regular DOS applications
runs DOS Extended applications up to 4Gbytes
can display DOS applications within graphical windows
multitasks DOS applications and X Clients either locally or remotely
provides a simple port of applications from other X systems to
DESQview/X and vice versa
gives developers a choice of application appearances, based on toolkit
chosen
supports toolkits that provide features required by developers such as
push buttons, scrollbars, pop up dialogue boxes, etc.
can run DOS text and MS Windows graphics programs locally and remotely
Adobe Type Manager for scalable fonts and scalable DOS windows
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
eXcursion for Windows
=====================
Vendor:
Digital Equipment Corporation
Maynard, Massachusetts
Price:
Latest Version:
1.0
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
DOS
MS Windows 3.0 or later
Mouse:
MS Windows supported mouse
Graphics:
MS Windows supported card
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Decnet with PATHWORKS for DOS
TCP/IP with PATHWORKS for DOS (TCP/IP)
TCP/IP with PC/TCP from FTP Software, Inc.
TCP/IP with 3Com TCP with Demand Protocol Architecture
Disk Space:
7-15 Mbytes hard desk
3.5-720 Kbyte or 5.25-1.2 Mbyte floppy drive
Features:
Seperate application windows for each X applicatioon displayed by the X
server
EXcursion Setup utility for installing eXcursion under MS Windows
Control Panes provides an easy way to start X applications and
customize environment
Online Help
Ability to cut and paste text or graphics between X and MS Windows
Ability to compile new fonts
Ability to redefine keys on the keyboard
Personal password security access to eXcursion
Three button mouse emulation
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
eXodus for MS Windows
=====================
Vendor:
White Pine Software, Inc.
40 Simon Street, Suite 201
Nashua, HN 03060-3043
TEL: (603)886-9050
FAX: (603)886-9051
email: sdarling@wpine.com
AppleLink: WHITEPINE
Price:
$449
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
DOS
MS Windows 3.0 or higher
Mouse:
recommended
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, SVGA, DGIS
Ethernet Card:
most cards
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
X11R4
color and monochrome X screen support including 24bit TrueColor
backing store and save under options
full XDMCP support
access control support
online help
3 button mouse emulation
text and graphics transfers between MS Windows and Macintosh clipboards
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
HCL-eXceed/W
============
Vendor:
Hummingbird Communications Ltd.
2900 John Street, Unit 4
Markham, Ontario, Canada L3R 5G3
TEL: (416)470-1203
FAX: (416)470-1207
Price:
$595 1 copy
$536 2-4 copies
$476 5-9 copies
$417 10 or more copies
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes or more recommended
Operating System:
DOS
MS Windows version 3 (Standard and 386 Enhanced Modes)
Mouse:
MS compatible pointing device
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, or VGA+
Ethernet Card:
any compatible with the networking product you choose
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
makes full use of 8514 and other high resolution graphics cards
redesigned for MS Windows (not an implementation of MIT X)
copy & paste between X-Windows and MS Windows
interactive configuration utility
full interactive support for font naming & alias schemes
font compiler
log file of host-generated messages
Backing Store and Save Unders
virtual screen support
seven start-up methods
full support for European keyboards
font, host access & RGB databases loading
X protocol trace & dissassembly functionality
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
Micro X-WIN
===========
Vendor:
StarNet Communications
3073 Lawrence Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95051
TEL: (408)739-0881
FAX: (408)739-0936
micro-x@starnet.com
Prices:
Micro X-WIN $425.00 1 unit
$300.00 ea. 5-pack (greater discount for larger quantities)
upgrades at 25% of original price
educational discount of 10%
Latest Version:
2.2.1 for X11 Release 5
CPU:
386, 486
Memory:
4 Mbytes
Operating System:
MS-DOS 3.1 or higher
MS Windows 3.1 or higher
Mouse:
2 or 3 button with MS compatible driver
Graphics:
MS Windows supported cards
Ethernet Card:
3Com/3C501/503/505/523
3Com EtherLink/MC
Cabletron 1-2-3000
Micom-Interlan NI5010-5210
Western Digital WD80003E
Novell NE-1000/2000
National Semiconductor
boards that have their own packet driver from manufacturer
Network Software Included:
Lanera TCPOpen (WinSock compatible)
Network Software Supported:
FTP Software - PC/TCP
Lanera - TCPOpen
Sun - PC-NFS
WinSock compatible TCP/IP stacks
Disk Space:
5 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte needed
Features:
X11R5
Integrated rsh/rexec with displayed results
Auto start-up with XDMCP or rsh/rexec
Easy additional session start-up
Panning
Supports Motif, OPEN LOOK, and DECWindows
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
MultiView/X
===========
Vendor:
JSB Computer Systems Ltd.
Cheshire House, Castle Street, Macclesfield
Cheshire, England, SK11 6AF
TEL: 0625 433618
JSB Corporation
108 Whispering Pines Drive, Suite 115
Scotts Valley, California 95066
TEL: (408)438-8300, (800)359-3408
FAX: (408)438-8360
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
Memory:
Operating System:
DOS
MS Windows
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
RS 232 direct connections, RS 232 modem connections, Atlantix Axcess,
Beame & Whiteside TCP/IP, D-Link TCP/IP for DOS, FTP PC/TCP,
HP ARPA Services for DOS, IBM AIX Access for DOS users,
ICL Oslan (int 5b), Locus PCI, Locus TCP/IP for DOS,
MS LAN Manager for UNIX, MS LAN Manager for UNIX V2.1, NCR Token Ring,
Novell LAN WorkPlace for DOS, SCO Xenix-Net, Sun PC-NFS,
Ungermann-Bass Net/One, Ungermann-BassNet/One NETCI (int6b),
Wollongong PathWay Access DOS, Wollongong WIN/TCP for DOS,
3 Com 3+Open TCP
Disk Space:
Features:
provides a Character Server for character applications
emulation for DEC VT100, DEC VT220, DEC VT241, SCO UNIX/Xenix Console,
X/Open ANSI, INTERACTIVE UNIX Console, AT&T UNIX Console
automatically invokes the X server when an X client is selected
passive, telnet, rsh, rexec, and XDMCP startup modes supported
full X11R4 font library provided in standard Windows format
BDF to Windows compiler
copy and paste of text available
single iconic desktop
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
PC-XView
========
Vendor:
Network Computing Devices Inc.
PC-Xdivision
9590 SW Gemini Drive
Beaverton, OR 97005
TEL: (800)800-9599, (503)641-2200
FAX: (503)643-8642
There are also 15 NCD technical and sales offices around the United
States and other international offices
Price:
PC-Xview for Windows $445.00 for 1 $1780.00 for 5
Annual Maintenance $150.00 for 1 $450.00 for 5
Update $125.00 for 1 $375.00 for 5
Latest Version:
3.1
CPU:
286, 386 (386 recommended)
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
MS-DOS or PC-DOS 3.0 or higher
MS Windows 3.0/3.1 or Windows NT
Mouse:
recommended but not needed
Graphics:
any compatible with MS Windows
Ethernet Card:
Network Software Needed:
TCP/IP
DECnet
Disk Space:
7 Mbytes (10 Mbytes recommended)
Features:
runs MS Windows applications alongside X clients
cut and paste between X clients and MS Windows
applications using the Windows clipboard
full support of X11R4 features, including the Shape extension
off-loads graphics processing from host computers
runs in both standard and enhanced modes of MS Windows
manages X clients with a standard remote window manager or
with MS Windows
full X11 fonts provided, including fonts for Sun Open Windows
and DECWindows
Windows-based compiler that converts Bitmap Description Format
BDF fonts to MS Windows format(FON) fonts
Windows-based file transfer program
prints files from a remote host on your local printer
built-in client starter
Windows-based installation and configuration
DDL support for network interfaces
easy installation procedures
X Display Manager Control Protocol(XDMCP) support
support for multiple TCP/IP network packages
comprehensive and well organized User's guide
Graphics Cut & Paste
Virtual Screen support
support the XRemote protocol (developed by NCD)
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
Vista-eXceed
============
Vendor:
Control Data Corporation
Vista Distributing Computing
9315 Largo Drive West
Suite 250
Landover, MD 20785
TEL: (301)808-4270
Price:
Vista-eXceed/W
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes for MS Windows server
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or higher
MS Windows 3.0
Mouse:
2 or 3 button MS compatible mouse
MS Windows supported mouse
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, or SVGA
any supported by MS Windows
Ethernet Card:
any supported by TCP/IP transports listed below
Network Software:
PC/TCP Network Software for DOS by FTP Software Inc.
PC-NFS by Sun Microsystems, Inc.
WIN/TCP for DOS by The Wallongong Group, Inc.
Pathway Access for DOS by The Wallongong Group, Inc.
LAN WorkPlace TCP/IP Transport System by Novell/Excelan
3+Open TCP by 3COM Corporation
HP ARPA Services by Hewlett Packard Corporation
Net-One TCP BNS/PC by Ungermann-Bass, Inc.
BWNFS or Telnet Package by Beame & Whiteside Software Ltd.
Disk Space:
hard disk
Features:
can may up to 16 Mbytes available for client processing
emulates a 3-button mouse with a 2-button mouse
full interactive support for X font names and alias' schemes
locally modify keyboard mapping
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
X11/AT
======
Vendor:
Intergrated Inference Machines, Inc.
Computer Products Division
1468 East Katella Avenue
Anaheim, CA 92805-9806
TEL: (714)978-6201 and (714)978-6776
FAX: (714)939-0746
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
640 Kbytes base memory
2 Mbytes extended memory
Operating System:
MS-DOS 3.1 or later
MS Windows 3.0 or later
Mouse:
Graphics:
any graphics card and that supports MS Windows - EGA or VGA resolution,
or better, are recommended
CGA (Color Graphics Adapter)
COMPAQ Portable III or Portable 386 plasma display
EGA with high-resolution color display
EGA whith low-resolution color display
Hercules with high-resolution monochrome display
IBM 8514/A display
Olivetti monochrome or PVC display
Olivetti OEC display
WYSE high resolution monochrome
Moniterm Viking monochrome
VGA (Video Graphics Array)
Ethernet Card:
also compatible with Excelan, 3COM, Ungermann Bass, Western Digital,
Tiara, IIM's X/PAC, and others
Network Software:
Either Excelan's TCP/IP Driver Set or FTP Inc. PC/TCP Driver Set
(not included with X11/AT)
Disk Space:
at least 2.5 Mbytes of storage capacity available for X11/AT software,
excluding optional X fonts; to use all X fonts supplied with X11/AT,
a total of 5.5 Mbytes is required
Features:
Concurrent MS-DOS & X Windows operation
Concurrent X Windows & Telnet operation
Cut & Paste utility, FTP utility
Font compiler for user-developed fonts
Telnet and FTP utilities included
compatible with the following FTP software programs, when not operated
under MS Windows:
ftp, the file transfer protocol client
ftpsev, the file transfer protocol server
interdrive, the network file system (NFS)
ping, a network test
tnvt, the telnet virtual terminal client
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
X-One
=====
Vendor:
Grafpoint
1485 Saratoga Avenue
San Jose, CA 95129
TEL: (800)426-2230 7:30-5:00 PST, (408)466-1919
FAX: (408)446-0666
uunet!grafpnt!sales
Price:
(free demo copies)
Latest Version:
CPU:
386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
MS Windows
Mouse:
2 or 3 button mouse
Graphics:
VGA
Super VGA
8514A
TIGA
VGA boards with S3 chip set
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Grafpoint's TCP/IP included
Disk Space:
Features:
X11R4
on-screen setup
builtin TCP/IP
supports local clients such as telnet/vt100 window, a setup window,
an rsh window, a local window manager
DOS and Windows versions in one product
hot key to DOS
90 days of telephone technical support
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
XVision
=======
Vendor:
VisionWare Limited White Pine is re-badging XVision as
57 Cardigan Lane eXodus for Windows
Leeds LS4 2LE 40 Simon Street, Suite 201
United Kingdom Nashua, HN 03060-3043
TEL: (0532) 788858 TEL: (603)886-9050
+44 532 788858 FAX: (603)886-9051
FAX: (0532) 304676 sdarling@wpine.com
+44 532 304676 AppleLink: WHITEPINE
vware@visionware.co.uk
Price:
$449.00 1 users $9100.00 30 users
$1800.00 5 users $11850.00 40 users
$3600.00 10 users $14600.00 50 users
$6350.00 20 users educational discounts available
adding a user where at least 10 are installed - $275.00
XRemote support per PC: bundled - $95.00 upgrade - $150.00
full documentation - $60.00 evaluation copy - $60.00
Latest Version:
4.1
CPU:
286, 386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
DOS 3.0 or later
MS Windows 3.0 or later
Mouse:
recommended but not required
Graphics:
MS Windows compatible graphics
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
FTP PC/TCP
Excelan LAN Workplace for DOS
Locus TCP/IP for DOS
Ungermann Bass NET/ONE TCP-PC
Wollongong WIN/TCP for DOS
Beame & Whiteside TCP/IP
Sun PC-NFS
HP LAN Manager (ARPA Services for DOS)
3Com 3+ Open
Disk Space:
5-1/4-inch high-density or 3-1/2-inch high-density
Features:
copy and paste between X and MS Windows
use a host window manager or allow MS Windows to control X clients
support for all color classes (StaticGray, GrayScale, StaticColor,
PseudoColor, TrueColor and DirectColor)
several user options for performance enhancement
X11 Release 5 server
fonts and server extensions including XDMCP
ICCCM compliant
X clients may also use MS Windows fonts
easy configuration of the system via dialog boxes
provides the functionality of a three-button mouse
support for all international keyboards supported by Windows
host access control
network-aware setup and on-line help
iconic control panel for configuring XVision
Dynamic Server Optimizations (XVision runs tests on the PC at install
time to see how best to draw to the display)
support for: NCD XRemote, DECnet, SHAPE extension, 24-bit color,
MS Windows font managers, all color classes, rsh, rexec
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
XoftWare
========
Vendor:
AGE Logic, Inc.
9985 Pacific Heights Blvd.
San Diego, CA 92121
TEL: (619)455-8600, (619)565-7373
FAX: (619)597-6030
email: sales@age.com
Bert Shure
TEL: (619)455-8600(ext.104)
email: bert@age.com, age!bert@ucsd.edu
Price:
$495.00
with TCP/IP $595.00
Latest Version:
CPU:
386, 486
Memory:
2 Mbytes extended
Operating System:
DOS 3.1 or higher
Windows 3.0 or higher
Mouse:
MS Windows compatible mouse
Graphics:
card with MS Windows driver
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Beame & Whiteside TCP/IP (2.2 or higher)
ftp PC/TCP (2.05 of higher)
DEC Pathworks (4.0 or higher)
HP ARPA Services (2.1 or higher)
Novell LAN WorkPlace (4.01 or higher)
Sun PC/NFS (3.5 or higher)
Ungermann-Bass Net/One TCP (16.5 or higher)
Wollongong Pathway Access (4.1.1 or higher)
Wollongong WIN/TCP (1.1 or higher)
3Com 3+ Open TCP (1.2 or higher)
Disk Space:
2 Mbytes
5-1/4 1.2 Mbyte or 3-1/2 1.44 Mbyte floppy needed
Features:
MIT compliant with AGE extensions
Context Sensitive on-line help system
Cut and paste between X and MS Windows
Start X applications with MS Windows icons
Single and multiple window modes
MS Window manager used with X applications
Virtual screen up to 32,767 by 32,767
Passive, telnet, rsh, rexec, and XDMCP startup modes
Backing store and save unders
Motif, OpenLook, and DECWindows support
Full font library in FON format
BDF to MS Windows FON font compiler
Log file optionally saves system messages
Tutorial on the X Window System
===Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows==Microsoft-Windows===
==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==
IBM X-Windows for OS/2
======================
Vendor:
IBM Solutions Center
Voice: 1-800-IBM-CALL
FAX: 1-303-440-1639
Price:
$150 plus $200 for IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 (required)
Latest Version:
Version 1.2.1
Part Number 02G6980 (X-Windows)
02G6968 (TCP/IP)
CPU:
386SX or higher
Memory:
6 Mbytes recommended (4 minimum)
Operating System:
IBM OS/2 2.0 or higher
Mouse:
OS/2 compatible pointing device
Graphics:
EGA, VGA, Super VGA, 8514/A, XGA, or other OS/2 supported card
Ethernet Card:
compatible with OS/2 (NDIS)
Network Software:
IBM TCP/IP (required)
Disk Space:
80 Mbyte hard drive
Features:
incorporates X into the OS/2 advanced PC operating system
provides full X11R4 server, X font library, X font compiler,
X client utilities
runs as another object on the WorkPlace Shell (WPS) desktop
cut and paste between OS/2, DOS, and Windows applications running under
OS/2 full TCP/IP implementation including ftp, telnet, lamail,
ping, finger, SLIP, rsh, remote printing, BOOTP, VT100/220, and
many more
other modules available, including NFS, Programmer's Toolkit (includes
Kerberos, RPC, DPI, NCS, ftp API, sockets API, Resolver API),
and more
==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==OS/2==
=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh
eXodus
======
Vendor:
White Pine Software, Inc.
40 Simon Street, Suite 201
Nashua, HN 03060-3043
TEL: (603)886-9050
FAX: (603)886-9051
email: sdarling@wpine.com
AppleLink: WHITEPINE
Price:
$295
Latest Version:
3.0
CPU:
all Macintosh computers
eXodus II runs on Macintosh computers with a 68020 or 68030 processor
and a floating point co-processor
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
version 6.0 or later
version 6.0.3 or later if you plan to use Communications Toolbox for
network connections
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
TCP/IP - MacTCP by Apple Computer, Inc. (part of CommSolutions)
TCP/IP - TCPort/LAN Workplace by Novell, Inc. (formerly TCPort/Host
Access)
DECnet - TSSnet by Thursby Software Systems, Inc. (a special version
is distributed as part of CommSolutions)
DECnet - CommUnity-Mac distributed by Everex, Inc.
DECnet - DECnet for Macintosh (part of PATHWORKS by Digital Equipment
Corporation)
ADSP - PATHWORKS distributed by Digital Equipment Corporation
AppleTalk
Disk Space:
Features:
supports MultiFinder
under A/UX, clients and server run on the Macintosh
under Macintosh Operating System, clients run on another computer
conforms to the Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines
user standard Macintosh pull-down menus
functions as a Macintosh program under the Macintosh Operating System
handles Macintosh events
can use normal Macintosh environment
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=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh=Macintosh
MacX
====
Vendor:
Apple Computer, Inc.
Cupertino, CA 95014
TEL: (408)996-1010
TLX: 171-576
or any Apple dealer (BusinessLand,MicroAGE, etc.)
Price:
MacX Order No. M0108LL/C ??
MacX Manual Set Order No. M0602LL/B ??
MacX 1.1.7 Update Product Order No. M1197LL/A ??
Mac X and X11 Site License Order No. M0749LL/C ??
Latest Version:
1.2
CPU:
any Macintosh
Memory:
2 Mbytes
Operating System:
system software 6.0.5 or later
Mouse:
Graphics:
1-bit and 8-bit graphics
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
LocalTalk, Ethernet
Disk Space:
at least two floppy disks for 6.0.5 or later
3.5 Mbytes hard disk tor 7.0
Features:
X11 release 4 server
ICCCM-compatible cut and paste of text AND graphics between the
Macintosh and X11
SHAPE extension (including SHAPED windows on the Macintosh desktop)
optional built-in ICCCM-compliant window manager
built-in BDF font compiler
built-in standard colormaps
built-in window managers
support for system software version 7.0
support for multiple monitors
copy and paste text and graphics
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=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga==
UNKNOWN
========
Vendor:
Price:
Latest Version:
CPU:
Memory:
Operating System:
Mouse:
Graphics:
Ethernet Card:
Network Software:
Disk Space:
Features:
Amiga 3000 machines offer an X server and OPEN LOOK tools and libraries
on a full SVR4 implementation
=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga==
=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga=Amiga==
X Window System Version 11 Release for the Amiga Computer
=========================================================
Vendor:
GfxBase, Inc.
Dale Luck
1881 Ellwell Drive
Milpitas, CA 95035
TEL: (408)262-1469
FAX: (408)262-8276
Usenet: boing!dale
Bix: duck
amiga!boing!dale@bloom-beacon.mit.edu
Price:
$395.00 ($90.00 yearly maintenance fee)
Latest Version:
4.1
CPU:
AmigaDos computer:
A1000
A2000
A2500
A3000
A3000T
A4000
A500
A600
Memory:
1 Mbyte for Server and 640x400 2-color display
more RAM required for local clients
Operating System:
AmigaDOS Operating System V1.3 or later
Mouse:
Amiga 2 button mouse, or optical 3 button mouse, tablet, trackball,
or International keyboard
Graphics:
NTSC to 1440x482(60hz), PAL(1440x568 50 hz)
Overscan, genlock and interlace supported
A2024/Viking 1 1024x8000(60hz), 1024x1024(50hz)
Super Screens to 2560x2560 scrollable on smaller display
Productivity screen - 640x480 60hz noninterlaced (640x960 interlaces)
Two colors out of a palette of 4096 can be selected. Cursor has two
separately controlled colors
Color server: 2,4,8,16,32 colors from 4096. A2024/Viking 1 - 4 gray
scales. Some resolutions restricted
GDA1 640x480, 800x600, 1024x800 noninterlaced 256/16M
Ameristar 1600GX 1280x1024, 1600x1280 noninterlaced 256/16M
Ethernet Card:
Commodore A2065
Network Software:
Commodore TCP/IP or Syndesis DECnet for ethernet and serial
connections, SANA for local
Disk Space:
7-14 Mbytes
Features:
contains X11R4 clients, fonts, etc.
Amiga Xpr uses the standard Amiga printer device technology which
supports more that 50 different types of printers. Black and
White of Color
Xamiga R4 monochrome and color servers
optional programmer's toolkit includes the header files, libraries,
and sample programs
Optional mwm window manager
Optional toolkits/widgets Motif, XView, HP
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=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari=Atari==
X/TOS/window/server and X/TOS/window/server/color
=================================================
Vendor:
X/software Michael Gehret
X/TOS division
Marktstrasse 8
W-8944 Groenenbach
Germany
TEL: +49 8334 1411
FAX: +49 8334 6245
email: xtosinfo@xsoft.uucp
Price:
X/TOS/window/server (for all TOS computers) DM 1,098.00
X/TOS/window/server/color (for all TOS computers) DM 1,498.00
option 030 (for 68030 or 68040 processors only) DM 98.00
X/TOS/window/server/color option 030 and option PEX T.B.A.
overseas order handling DM 100.00
none-EC European order handling DM 50.00
Latest Version:
502.*
CPU:
Atari Mega ST, STE, TT
68000 to 68040
Memory:
2 Mbytes (4 Mbytes recommended)
Operating System:
TOS 1.4 or higher
Mouse:
Atari mouse
Graphics:
X/TOS/window/server:
monochrome 640x400x1,
monochrome 1280x960x1 (TT, SM194)
X/TOS/window/server/color:
monochrome 640x400x1,
monochrome 1280x960x1 (TT, SM194)
color 320x200x4
color 640x200x2
color 640x480x4
color 320x480x8
Ethernet Card:
Atari Card (Mega or VME bus)
Riebl/Wacker (Mega or VME bus)
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Last-modified: 1993/04/27
Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 1/3 ]
===================================================
Last Change : 27 April 1993
Many FAQs, including this Listing, are available on the archive site
pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory
pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears
in the Archive-name line at the top of the article.
This FAQ is archived as graphics/resources-list/part[1-3]
There's a mail server on that machine. You send a e-mail message to
mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing the keyword "help" (without
quotes!) in the message body.
You can see in many other places for this Listing. See the item:
0. Places to find the Resource Listing
for more information.
Items Changed:
--------------
RE-ARRANGED the subjects, in order to fir better in the 63K/article limit.
I PLAN ON CHANGING HEADERS SOON, SO BE CAREFUL! ONLY THE "Resource Listing"
keys are sure to remain in the Subject: line!
3. Computer graphics FTP site list, by Eric Haines
4. Mail servers and graphics-oriented BBSes
9. Plotting packages
[ I'm thinking of making this post bi-weekly. What do you think??? ]
--------------
Lines which got changed, have the `#' character in front of them.
Added lines are prepended with a `+'
Removed lines are just removed. Use 'diff' to locate these changes.
========================================================================
This text is (C)Copyright 1992, 1993 of Nikolaos C. Fotis. You can copy
freely this file, provided you keep this copyright notice intact.
Compiled by Nikolaos (Nick) C. Fotis, e-mail: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr
Please contact me for updates,corrections, etc.
Disclaimer: I do not guarantee the accuracy of this document.
Use it at your own risk.
========================================================================
This is mainly a guide for computer graphics software.
I would suggest reading the Comp. Graphics FAQ for image analysis stuff.
It's entitled:
(date) comp.graphics Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
John T. Grieggs <grieggs@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> is the poster of the
official comp.graphics FAQ
I have included my comments within braces '[' and ']'.
Nikolaos Fotis
========================================================================
Contents of the Resource Listing
================================
PART1:
------
0. Places to find the Resource Listing
1. ARCHIE
2. Notes
3. Computer graphics FTP site list, by Eric Haines
4. Mail servers and graphics-oriented BBSes
5. Ray-tracing/graphics-related mailing lists.
6. 3D graphics editors
a. Public domain, free and shareware systems
b. Commercial systems
7. Scene description languages
8. Solids description formats
PART2:
------
9. Plotting packages
10. Image analysis software - Image processing and display
PART3:
------
11. Scene generators/geographical data/Maps/Data files
12. 3D scanners - Digitized 3D Data.
13. Background imagery/textures/datafiles
14. Introduction to rendering algorithms
a. Ray tracing
b. Z-buffer (depth-buffer)
c. Others
15. Where can I find the geometric data for the:
a. Teapot ?
b. Space Shuttle ?
16. Image annotation software
17. Scientific visualization stuff
18. Molecular visualization stuff
19. GIS (Geographical Information Systems software)
Future additions:
[Please send me updates/info!]
========================================================================
0. Places to find the Resource Listing
======================================
This file is crossposted to comp.graphics, comp.answers and news.answers,
so if you can't locate it in comp.graphics, you're advised to search in
comp.answers or news.answers
(The latter groups usually are archived in your site. Contact your sysadmin
for more info).
These 3 articles are posted to comp.graphics 3-4 times a month and are kept in
many places (see below)
--
Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site
pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory
pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears
in the Archive-name line at the top of the article.
This FAQ is archived as graphics/resources-list/part[1-3]
There's a mail server on that machine. You send a e-mail message to
mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing: help in the Subject: field
--
The inria-graphlib mail server mirrors this posting (see under the
Subject 4: Mail servers )
--
The Resource Listing is accesible through WAIS in the machine
enuxva.eas.asu.edu (port 8000) under the name graphics-resources-list.
It's got a digest-type line before every numbered item for purposes of
indexing.
--
Another place that monitors the Listing is the MaasInfo files.
For more info contact Robert E. Maas <rem@btr.com>
--
Yet another place to search for FAQs in general is the SWITCH
(Swiss Academic and Research Network) system in Switzerland:
interactive:
telnet nic.switch.ch [130.59.1.40], login as "info". Move to the
info_service/Usenet/periodic-postings directory. Search in the
00index file by typing "/" and the word to look for.
You may then just read the FAQ in the "faqs" directory, or decide
to fetch it by one of the following methods.
ftp:
login to nic.switch.ch [130.59.1.40] as user anonymous and
enter your internet-style address after being prompted for a
password.
cd info_service/Usenet/periodic-postings
mail:
send e-mail to
RFC-822:
archive-server@nic.switch.ch
X.400:
/S=archive-server/OU=nic/O=switch/PRMD=switch/ADMD=arcom/C=ch/
Enter 'help' in the bodypart to receive instructions. No information
is required in the subject header line.
1. ARCHIE
=========
The Archie is a service system to locate FTP places for
requested files. It's appreciated that you will use Archie
before asking help in the newsgroups.
Archie servers:
archie.au or 139.130.4.6 (Aussie/NZ)
archie.funet.fi or 128.214.6.100 (Finland/Eur.)
archie.th-darmstadt.de or 130.83.128.111 (GER.)
cs.huji.ac.il or 132.65.6.5 (Israel)
archie.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp or 130.54.20.1 (JAPAN)
archie.sogang.ac.kr or 163.239.1.11 (Korea)
archie.ncu.edu.tw or telnet 140.115.19.24 (TWN)
archie.doc.ic.ac.uk or 146.169.3.7 (UK/Ireland)
archie.sura.net or 128.167.254.179 (USA [MD])
archie.unl.edu (password: archie1) (USA [NE])
archie.ans.net or 147.225.1.2 (USA [NY])
archie.rutgers.edu or 128.6.18.15 (USA [NJ])
archie.nz or 130.195.9.4 (New Zealand)
Connect to Archie server with telnet and type "archie" as username.
To get help type 'help'.
You can get 'xarchie' or 'archie', which are clients that call Archie
without the burden of a telnet session.
'Xarchie' is on the X11.R5 contrib tape, and 'archie' on comp.sources.misc,
vol. 27.
To get information on how to use Archie via e-mail, send mail with
subject "help" to "archie" account at any of above sites.
(Note to Janet/PSS users -- the United Kingdom archie site is
accessible on the Janet host doc.ic.ac.uk [000005102000].
Connect to it and specify "archie" as the host name and "archie" as
the username.)
==========================================================================
2. Notes
========
(Excerpted from the FAQ article)
Please do *not* post or mail messages saying "I can't FTP, could
someone mail this to me?" There are a number of automated mail servers
that will send you things like this in response to a message.
There are a number of sites that archive the Usenet sources newsgroups
and make them available via an email query system. You send a message
to an automated server saying something like "send comp.sources.unix/fbm",
and a few hours or days later you get the file in the mail.
==========================================================================
3. Computer graphics FTP site list, by Eric Haines
==================================================
Computer graphics related FTP sites (and maintainers), 22/04/93
compiled by Eric Haines, erich@eye.com
and Nick Fotis, nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr
Ray-tracers:
------------
RayShade - a great ray tracer for workstations on up, also for PC, Mac & Amiga.
PoV - son and successor to DKB trace, written by Compuservers.
(For more questions call Drew Wells --
73767.1244@compuserve.com or Dave Buck -- david_buck@carleton.ca)
ART - ray tracer with a good range of surface types, part of VORT package.
DKBtrace - another good ray tracer, from all reports; PCs, Mac II,
Amiga, UNIX, VMS (last two with X11 previewer), etc.
RTrace - Portugese ray tracer, does bicubic patches, CSG, 3D text, etc. etc.
An MS-DOS version for use with DJGPP DOS extender (GO32) exists also,
as a Mac port.
VIVID2 - A shareware raytracer for PCs - binary only (286/287). Author:
Stephen Coy (coy@ssc-vax.boeing.com). The 386/387 (no source) version
is available to registered users (US$50) direct from the author.
RAY4 - Steve Hollasch's 4-dimensional ray tracer - renders hyperspheres,
hypertetrahedra, hyperplanes, and hyperparallelepipeds (there's
a separate real-time wireframe viewer written in GL called WIRE4 ) .
MTV,QRT,DBW - yet more ray tracers, some with interesting features.
Distributed/Parallel Raytracers:
--------------------------------
XDART - A distributed ray-tracer that runs under X11. There are server binaries
which work only on DECstations, SPARCs, HP Snakes (7x0 series) and NeXT.
The clients are distributed as binaries and C source.
Inetray - A network version of Rayshade 4.0. Needs Sun RPC 4.0 or newer.
Contact Andreas Thurnherr (ant@ips.id.ethz.ch)
prt, VM_pRAY - parallel ray tracers.
Volume renderers:
-----------------
VREND - Cornell's Volume Renderer, from Kartch/Devine/Caffey/Warren (FORTRAN).
Radiosity (and diffuse lighting) renderers:
-------------------------------------------
Radiance - a ray tracer w/radiosity effects, by Greg Ward. Excellent shading
models and physically based lighting simulation. Unix/X based, though
has been ported to the Amiga and the PC (386).
INDIA - An Indian radiosity package based on Radiance.
SGI_RAD - An interactive radiosity package that runs on SGI machines with a
Spaceball. It includes a house database.
Author: Guy Moreillon <moreillo@ligsg1.epfl.ch>
RAD - a simple public-domain radiosity package in C. The solution can be run
stand-alone on any Unix box, but the walk-through requires a SGI 4D.
Author: Bernard Kwok <g-kwok@cs.yorku.ca>
Renderers which are not raytracers, and graphics libraries:
-----------------------------------------------------------
SIPP - Scan line z-buffer and Phong shading renderer.
Now uses the shadow buffer algorithm.
Tcl-SIPP - a Tcl command interface to the SIPP rendering
program. Tcl-SIPP is a set of Tcl commands used to programmed
SIPP without having to write and compile C code.
Commands are used to specify surfaces, objects,
scenes and rendering options.
It renders either in PPM format or in Utah Raster Toolkit RLE format
or to the photo widget in the Tk-based X11 applications.
VOGLE - graphics learning environment (device portable).
VOGL - an SGI GL-like library based on VOGLE.
REND386 - A *fast* polygon renderer for Intel 386s and up. Version 2 on up.
[ It's not photorealistic, but rather a real-time renderer]
XSHARP21 - Dr. Dobb's Journal PC renderer source code, with budget texture
mapping.
Modellers, wireframe viewers:
-----------------------------
VISION-3D - Mac modeler, can output Radiance & Rayshade files.
IRIT - A CSG solid modeler, with support for freeform surfaces.
X3D - A wireframe viewer for X11.
3DV - 3-D wireframe graphics toolkit, with C source, 3dv objects, other stuff
Look at major PC archives like wuarchive. One such file is 3DKIT1.ZIP
PV3D - a shareware front end modeler for POVRAY, still in beta test.
French docs for now, price for registering 250 French Francs. Save disabled.
Some extra utilities, DXF files for the registered version.
Geometric viewers:
------------------
SALEM - A GL-based package from Dobkin et al. for exploring mathematical
structures.
GEOMVIEW - A GL-based package for looking and interactively manipulating
3D objects, from Geometry Center at Minnesota.
XYZ GeoBench -(eXperimental geometrY Zurich) is a workbench for geometric
computation for Macintosh computers.
WIRE4 - GL wireframe previewer for Steve Hollasch's RAY4 (see above)
Data Formats and Data Sets for Ray Tracing:
-------------------------------------------
SPD - a set of procedural databases for testing ray tracers.
NFF - simplistic file format used by SPD.
OFF - another file format.
P3D - a lispy file format.
TDDD - Imagine (3D modeler) format, has converters for RayShade, NFF, OFF, etc.
Also includes a nice postscript object displayer. Some GREAT models.
TTDDDLIB - converts to/from TDDD/TTDDD, OFF, NFF, Rayshade 4.0, Imagine,
and vort 3d objects. Also outputs Framemaker MIF files and isometric
views in Postscript. Registered users get a TeX PK font converter and
a superquadric surfaces generator.
Glenn Lewis <glewis@pcocd2.intel.com>
[Note : TTDDDLIB is also known as T3DLIB]
CHVRTD - Chapel Hill Volume Rendering Test Datasets, includes volume sets for
two heads, a brain, a knee, electron density maps for RNA and others.
Written Material on Rendering:
------------------------------
RT News - collections of articles on ray tracing.
RT bib - references to articles on ray tracing in "refer" format.
Rad bib - references to articles on radiosity (global illumination).
Speer RT bib - Rick Speer's cross-referenced RT bib, in postscript.
RT abstracts - collection by Tom Wilson of abstracts of many RT articles.
Paper bank project - various technical papers in electronic form. Contact
Juhana Kouhia <jk87377@cs.tut.fi>
Online Bibliography Project :
The ACM SIGGRAPH Online Bibliography Project is a database of
over 15,000 unique computer graphics and computational geometry
references in BibTeX format, available to the computer graphics
community as a research and educational resource.
The database is located at "siggraph.org". Users may download
the BibTeX files via FTP and peruse them offline, or telnet to
"siggraph.org" and log in as "biblio" and interactively search
the database for entries of interest, by keyword.
For the people without Internet access, there's also an e-mail
server. Send mail to
archive-server@siggraph.org
and in the subject or the body of the message include the message send
followed by the topic and subtopic you wish. A good place to start is
with the command
send index
which will give you an up-to-date list of available information.
Additions/corrections/suggestions may be directed to the admin,
"bibadmin@siggraph.org".
Image Manipulation Libraries:
-----------------------------
Utah Raster Toolkit - nice image manipulation tools.
PBMPLUS - a great package for image conversion and manipulation.
LIBTIFF - library for reading/writing TIFF images.
ImageMagick - X11 package for display and interactive manipulation
of images. Uses its own format (MIFF), and includes some converters.
xv - X-based image display, manipulation, and format converter.
xloadimage, xli - displays various formats on an X11 screen.
Khoros - a huge, excellent system for image processing, with a visual
programming interface and much much more. Uses X windows.
FBM - another set of image manipulation tools, somewhat old now.
Img - image manipulation, displays on X11 screen, a bit old now.
xflick - Plays .FLI animation under X11
XAnim - plays any resolution FLI along with GIF's(including GIF89a animation
extensions), DL's and Amiga IFF animations(3,5,J,l) and IFF
pictures(including HAM,EHB and color cycling)
SDSC - SDSC Image Tools package (San Diego Supercomputing Center)
for image manipulation and conversion
CLRpaint - A 24-bit paint program for SGI 24bit workstations and 8bit Indigos.
Libraries with code for graphics:
---------------------------------
Graphics Gems I,II,III - code from the ever so useful books.
spline-patch.tar.Z - spline patch ray intersection routines by Sean Graves
kaleido - Computation and 3D Display of Uniform Polyhedra. Mirrored in
wuarchive. This package computes (and displays) the metrical
properties of 75 polyhedra. Author: Dr. Zvi Har'El,
e-mail: rl@gauss.technion.ac.il
(*) means site is an "official" distributor, so is most up to date.
NORTH AMERICA (please look for things on your own continent first...):
-------------
wuarchive.wustl.edu [128.252.135.4]: /graphics/graphics - get CONTENTS file
for a roadmap. /graphics/graphics/objects/TDDD - *the TTDDD objects
and converters*, /mirrors/unix-c/graphics - Rayshade ray tracer, MTV
ray tracer, Vort ray tracer, FBM, PBMPLUS, popi, Utah raster toolkit.
/mirrors/msdos/graphics - DKB ray tracer, FLI RayTracker demos.
/pub/rad.tar.Z - *SGI_RAD*, /graphics/graphics/radiosity - Radiance
and Indian radiosity package. /msdos/ddjmag/ddj9209.zip - version 21
of Xsharp, with fast texture mapping. There's lots more, including
bibs, Graphics Gems I & II code, OFF, RTN, Radiance, NFF, SIPP, spline
patch intersection routines, textbook errata, source code from Roy
Hall's book "Illumination and Color in Computer Generated Imagery", etc
graphics/graphics/packages/kaleido - *kaleido*
George Kyriazis <kyriazis@turing.cs.rpi.edu>
princeton.edu [128.112.128.1]: /pub/Graphics (note capital "G") - *Rayshade
4.0 ray tracer (and separate 387 executable)*, *color quantization
code*, *SPD*, *RT News*, *Wilson's RT abstracts*, "RT bib*, *Utah
Raster Toolkit*, newer FBM, *Graphics Gems I, II & III code*.
/pub/graphics directory - *SALEM* and other stuff.
Craig Kolb <cek@princeton.edu>
[replaces weedeater.math.yale.edu - note the capital "G" in
pub/Graphics] Because there's a trouble with princeton's incoming
area, you can upload Rayshade-specific stuff to
weedeater.math.yale.edu [128.36.23.17]
alfred.ccs.carleton.ca [134.117.1.1]: /pub/dkbtrace - *DKB ray tracer*,
/pub/pov-ray/POV-Ray1.0 - *PVRay Compuserve group ray tracer (or PoV)*.
David Buck <david_buck@carleton.ca>
avalon.chinalake.navy.mil [129.131.31.11]: 3D objects (multiple formats),
utilities, file format documents.
This site was created to be a 3D object "repository" for the net.
Francisco X DeJesus <dejesus@archimedes.chinalake.navy.mil>
omicron.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.159]: pub/softlab/CHVRTD - Chapel Hill
Volume Rendering Test Datasets.
ftp.mv.com [192.80.84.1]: - Official DDJ FTP repository.
*XSHARP*
peipa.essex.ac.uk [155.245.115.161]: the Pilot European Image Processing
Archive; in a directory ipa/synth or something like that, there are
image synthesis packages.
Adrian Clarke <alien@essex.ac.uk>
barkley.berkeley.edu [128.32.142.237] : tcl/extensions/tsipp3.0b.tar.Z -
*Tcl-SIPP*
Mark Diekhans <markd@grizzly.com or markd@NeoSoft.com>
acs.cps.msu.edu [35.8.56.90]: pub/sass - *X window fonts converter into
Rayshade 3.0 polygons*, Rayshade animation tool(s).
Ron Sass <sass@cps.msu.edu>
hobbes.lbl.gov [128.3.12.38]: *Radiance* ray trace/radiosity package.
Greg Ward <gjward@lbl.gov>
geom.umn.edu [128.101.25.31] : pub/geomview - *GEOMVIEW*
Contact (for GEOMVIEW): software@geom.umn.edu
ftp.arc.umn.edu [137.66.130.11] : pub/gvl.tar.Z - the latest version of Bob,
Icol and Raz. Source, a manual, man pages, and binaries for
IRIX 4.0.5 are included (Bob is a real time volume renderer)
pub/ contains also many volume datasets.
Ken Chin-Purcell <ken@ahpcrc.umn.edu>
ftp.kpc.com [144.52.120.9] : /pub/graphics/holl91 - Steve Hollasch's
Thesis, /pub/graphics/ray4 - *RAY4*, /pub/graphics/wire4 - *WIRE4*.
/pub/mirror/avalon - mirror of avalon's 3D objects repository.
Steve Hollasch <hollasch@kpc.com>
swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.54.33] : programs/hollasch-4d - RAY4,
SGI Explorer modules and Postscript manual, etc.
zamenhof.cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.75] : pub/graphics.formats - Various electronic
documents about many object and image formats.
Mark Hall <foo@cs.rice.edu>
will apparently no longer be maintaining it, see ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu.
rascal.ics.utexas.edu [128.83.144.1]: /misc/mac/inqueue - VISION-3D facet
based modeller, can output RayShade and Radiance files.
ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.20.50] : misc/file.formats/graphics.formats -
contains various image- and object-format descriptions. Many SciVi
tools in various directories, e.g. SGI/Alpha-shape/Alvis-1.0.tar.Z -
3D alpha-shape visualizer (SGI machines only),
SGI/Polyview3.0/polyview.Z - interactive visualization and analysis of
3D geometrical structures.
Quincey Koziol <koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu>
tucana.noao.edu [140.252.1.1] : /iraf - the IRAF astronomy package
ftp.ipl.rpi.edu [128.113.14.50]: sigma/erich - SPD images and Haines thesis
images. pub/images - various 24 and 8 bit image stills and sequences.
Kevin Martin <sigma@ipl.rpi.edu>
ftp.psc.edu [128.182.66.148]: pub/p3d - p3d_2_0.tar P3D lispy scene
language & renderers. Joel Welling <welling@seurat.psc.edu>
ftp.ee.lbl.gov [128.3.254.68]: *pbmplus.tar.Z*, RayShade data files.
Jef Poskanzer <jef@ace.ee.lbl.gov>
george.lbl.gov [128.3.196.93]: pub/ccs-lib/ccs.tar.Z - *CCS (Complex
Conversion System), a standard software interface for image processing*
hanauma.stanford.edu [36.51.0.16]: /pub/graphics/Comp.graphics - best of
comp.graphics (very extensive), ray-tracers - DBW, MTV, QRT, and more.
Joe Dellinger <joe@hanauma.stanford.edu>
ftp.uu.net [192.48.96.2]: /graphics - *IRIT*, RT News back issues (not
complete), NURBS models, other graphics related material.
/graphics/jpeg/jpegsrc.v?.tar.Z - Independent JPEG Group package for
reading and writing JPEG files.
freebie.engin.umich.edu [141.212.68.23]: *Utah Raster Toolkit*,
Spencer Thomas <thomas@eecs.umich.edu>
export.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.0.12] : /contrib - pbmplus, Image Magick, xloadimage,
xli, xv, Img, lots more. /pub/R5untarred/mit/demos/gpc - NCGA Graphics
Performance Characterization (GPC) Suite.
life.pawl.rpi.edu [128.113.10.2]: /pub/ray - *Kyriazis stochastic Ray Tracer*.
George Kyriazis <kyriazis@turing.cs.rpi.edu>
cs.utah.edu [128.110.4.21]: /pub - Utah raster toolkit, *NURBS databases*.
Jamie Painter <jamie@cs.utah.edu>
gatekeeper.dec.com [16.1.0.2]: /pub/DEC/off.tar.Z - *OFF models*,
Also GPC Benchmark files (planned, but not checked).
Randi Rost <rost@kpc.com>
hubcap.clemson.edu [130.127.8.1]: /pub/amiga/incoming/imagine - stuff for the
Amiga Imagine & Turbo Silver ray tracers. /pub/amiga/TTDDDLIB -
*TTDDDLIB* /pub/amiga/incoming/imagine/objects - MANY objects.
Glenn Lewis <glewis@pcocd2.intel.com>
pprg.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.10]: /pub/khoros - *Khoros image processing
package (huge, but great)*.
Danielle Argiro <danielle@bullwinkle.unm.edu>
expo.lcs.mit.edu [18.30.0.212]: contrib - *PBMPLUS portable bitmap package*,
*poskbitmaptars bitmap collection*, *Raveling Img*, xloadimage. Jef
Poskanzer <jef@well.sf.ca.us>
venera.isi.edu [128.9.0.32]: */pub/Img.tar.z and img.tar.z - some image
manipulation*, /pub/images - RGB separation photos.
Paul Raveling <raveling@venera.isi.edu>
ucsd.edu [128.54.16.1]: /graphics - utah rle toolkit, pbmplus, fbm,
databases, MTV, DBW and other ray tracers, world map, other stuff.
Not updated much recently.
castlab.engr.wisc.edu [128.104.52.10]: /pub/x3d.2.2.tar.Z - *X3D*
/pub/xdart.1.1.* - *XDART*
Mark Spychalla <spy@castlab.engr.wisc.edu>
sgi.com [192.48.153.1]: /graphics/tiff - TIFF 6.0 spec & *LIBTIFF* software
and pics. Also much SGI- and GL-related stuff (e.g. OpenGL manuals)
Sam Leffler <sam@sgi.com>
[supercedes okeeffe.berkeley.edu for the LIBTIFF stuff]
surya.waterloo.edu [129.97.129.72]: /graphics - FBM, ray tracers
ftp.sdsc.edu [132.249.20.22]: /sdscpub - *SDSC*
ftp.brl.mil [128.63.16.158]: /brl-cad - information on how to get the
BRL CAD package & ray tracer. /images - various test images.
A texture library has also begun here.
Lee A. Butler <butler@BRL.MIL>
cicero.cs.umass.edu [128.119.40.189]: /texture_temp - 512x512 grayscale
Brodatz textures,
from Julien Flack <julien@scs.leeds.ac.uk>.
karazm.math.uh.edu [129.7.7.6]: pub/Graphics/rtabs.shar.12.90.Z - *Wilson's
RT abstracts*, VM_pRAY.
J. Eric Townsend <jet@karazm.math.uh.edu or jet@nas.nasa.gov>
ftp.pitt.edu [130.49.253.1]: /users/qralston/images - 24 bit image archive
(small). James Ralston Crawford <qralston@gl.pitt.edu>
ftp.tc.cornell.edu [128.84.201.1]: /pub/vis - *VREND*
sunee.waterloo.edu [129.97.50.50]: /pub/raytracers - vivid, *REND386*
[or sunee.uwaterloo.ca]
archive.umich.edu [141.211.164.153]: /msdos/graphics - PC graphics stuff.
/msdos/graphics/raytrace - VIVID2.
apple.apple.com [130.43.2.2?]: /pub/ArchiveVol2/prt.
research.att.com [192.20.225.2]: /netlib/graphics - *SPD package*, ~/polyhedra -
*polyhedra databases*. (If you don't have FTP, use the netlib
automatic mail replier: UUCP - research!netlib, Internet -
netlib@ornl.gov. Send one line message "send index" for more info,
"send haines from graphics" to get the SPD)
siggraph.org [128.248.245.250]: SIGGRAPH archive site.
publications - *Online Bibliography Project*, Conference proceedings
in various electronic formats (papers, panels), SIGGRAPH Video Review
information and order forms.
Other stuff in various directories.
Automatic mailer is archive-server@siggraph.org ("send index").
ftp.cs.unc.edu [128.109.136.159]: pub/reaction_diffusion - Greg Turk's work on
reaction-diffusion textures, X windows code (SIGGRAPH '91)
avs.ncsc.org [128.109.178.23]: ~ftp/VolVis92 - Volume datasets from the
Boston Workshop on Volume Visualization '92. This site is also the
International AVS Center.
Terry Myerson <tvv@ncsc.org>
uvacs.cs.virginia.edu [128.143.8.100]: pub/suit/demo/{sparc,dec,etc} - SUIT
(Simple User Interface Toolkit). "finger suit@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu"
to get detailed instructions.
nexus.yorku.ca [130.63.9.66]: /pub/reports/Radiosity_code.tar.Z - *RAD*
/pub/reports/Radiosity_thesis.ps.Z - *RAD MSc. Thesis*
[This site will be changed to ftp.yorku.ca in the near future]
milton.u.washington.edu [128.95.136.1] - ~ftp/public/veos - VEOS Virtual
Reality and distributed applications prototyping environment
for Unix. Veos Software Support : veos-support@hitl.washington.edu
oldpublic/fly - FLY! 3D Visualization Software demo.
That package is built for "fly-throughs" from various datasets in
near real-time. There are binaries for many platforms.
Also, much other Virtual Reality stuff.
zug.csmil.umich.edu [141.211.184.2]: X-Xpecs 3D files (an LCD glass shutter
for Amiga computers - great for VR stuff!)
sugrfx.acs.syr.edu [128.230.24.1]: Various stereo-pair images.
[ Has closed down :-( ]
sunsite.unc.edu [152.2.22.81]: /pub/academic/computer-science/virtual-reality -
Final copy of the sugrfx.acs.syr.edu archive that ceased to exist.
It contains Powerglove code, VR papers, 3D images and IRC research
material.
Jonathan Magid <jem@sunSITE.unc.edu>
archive.cis.ohio-state.edu [128.146.8.52]: pub/siggraph92 - Code for
Siggraph '92 Course 23 (Procedural Modeling and Rendering Techniques)
Dr. David S. Ebert <ebert@cis.ohio-state.edu>
lyapunov.ucsd.edu [132.239.86.10]: This machine is considered the
repository for preprints and programs for nonlinear dynamics,
signal processing, and related subjects (and fractals, of course!)
Matt Kennel <mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu>
cod.nosc.mil [128.49.16.5]: /pub/grid.{ps,tex,ascii} - a short survey of
methods to interpolate and contour bivariate data
ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.1]: /honig --- Various stereo-pair images,
movie.c - animates a movie on an X display (8-bit and mono) with
digital subtraction.
taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil [131.120.1.13]: pub/dabro/cyberware_demo.tar.Z - Human
head data
pioneer.unm.edu [129.24.9.217]: pub/texture_maps - Hans du Buf's grayscale
test textures (aerial swatches, Brodatz textures, synthetic swatches).
Space & planetary image repository. Provides access to >150 CD-ROMS
with data/images (3 on-line at a time).
pub/info/beginner-info - here you should start browsing.
Colby Kraybill <opus@pioneer.unm.edu>.
cs.brown.edu [128.148.33.66] : *SRGP/SPHIGS* . For more info on SRGP/SPHIGS:
mail -s 'software-distribution' graphtext@cs.brown.edu
pdb.pdb.bnl.gov [130.199.144.1] has data about various organic molecules,
bonds between the different atoms, etc.
Atomic coordinates (and a load of other stuff) are contained in the
"*.ent" files, but the actual atomic dimemsions seem to be missing.
You could convert these data to PoV, rayshade, etc.
biome.bio.ns.ca [142.2.20.2] : /pub/art - some Renoir paintings,
Escher's pictures, etc.
ic16.ee.umanitoba.ca [] : /specmark - sample set of images from the
`Images from the Edge' CD-ROM (images of atomic landscapes, advanced
semiconductors, superconductors and experimental surface
chemistry among others). Contact ruskin@ee.umanitoba.ca
explorer.dgp.toronto.edu [128.100.1.129] : pub/sgi/clrpaint - *CLRpaint*
pub/sgi/clrview.* - CLRview, a tool that aids in visualization
of GIS datasets in may formats like DXF, DEM, Arc/Info, etc.
ames.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.18.3]: pub/SPACE/CDROM - images from Magellan
and Viking missions etc. Get pub/SPACE/Index first.
pub/SPACELINK has most of the SpaceLink service data (see below)
e-mail server available: send mail to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov
(or ames!archive-server) with subject:"help"
or "send SPACE Index" (without the quotes!)
Peter Yee <yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov>
pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.6.2]: images, other data, etc. from JPL
missions. Modem access at (818)-354-1333 (no parity, 8 data bits, 1
stop bit).
newsdesk@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov or phone (818)-354-7170
spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov [128.158.13.250] (passwd:guest) : space graphics
and GIF images from NASA's planetary probes and the Hubble Telescope.
Main function is support for teachers (you can telnet also to this
site). Dial up access: (205)-895-0028 (300/1200/2400/9600(V.32) baud,
8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit).
stsci.edu [130.167.1.2] : Hubble Space Telescope stuff (images and other
data). Read the README first!
Pete Reppert <reppert@stsci.edu> or Chris O'Dea <odea@stsci.edu>
pit-manager.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]: /pub/usenet/news.answers - the land of
FAQs. graphics and pictures directories of particular interest.
[Also available from mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu by sending a mail
message containing: help]
UUCP archive: avatar - RT News back issues. For details, write Kory Hamzeh
<kory@avatar.avatar.com>
EUROPE:
-------
nic.funet.fi [128.214.6.100]: *pub/sci/papers - *Paper bank project,
including Pete Shirley's entire thesis (with pics)*, *Wilson's RT
abstracts*, pub/misc/CIA_WorldMap - CIA world data bank,
comp.graphics.research archive, *India*, and much, much more.
Juhana Kouhia <jk87377@cs.tut.fi>
dasun2.epfl.ch [128.178.62.2]: Radiance. Good for European sites, but
doesn't carry the add-ons that are available for Radiance.
isy.liu.se [130.236.1.3]: pub/sipp/sipp-3.0.tar.Z - *SIPP* scan line z-buffer
and Phong shading renderer. Jonas Yngvesson <jonas-y@isy.liu.se>
irisa.fr [131.254.2.3]: */iPSC2/VM_pRAY ray tracer*, SPD, /NFF - many non-SPD
NFF format scenes, RayShade data files. Didier Badouel
<badouel@irisa.irisa.fr> [may have disappeared]
phoenix.oulu.fi [130.231.240.17]: *FLI RayTracker animation files (PC VGA) -
also big .FLIs (640*480)* *RayScene demos* [Americans: check wuarchive
first]. More animations to come. Jari Kahkonen
<hole@phoenix.oulu.fi>
jyu.fi [128.214.7.5]: /pub/graphics/ray-traces - many ray tracers, including
VM_pRAY, DBW, DKB, MTV, QRT, RayShade, some RT News, NFF files. Jari
Toivanen <toivanen@jyu.fi>
garbo.uwasa.fi [128.214.87.1]: Much PC stuff, etc., /pc/source/contour.f -
FORTRAN program to contour scattered data using linear triangle-based
interpolation
asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17]: pub/RTrace - *RTrace* nffutils.tar.Z (NFF
utilities for RTrace), medical data (CAT, etc.) converters to NFF,
Autocad to NFF Autolisp code, AUTOCAD 11 to SCN (RTrace's language)
converter and other goodies. Antonio Costa (acc@asterix.inescn.pt)
vega.hut.fi [128.214.3.82]: /graphics - RTN archive, ray tracers (MTV, QRT,
others), NFF, some models.
[ It was shut down months ago , check under nic.funet.fi -- nfotis ]
sun4nl.nluug.nl [192.16.202.2]: /pub/graphics/raytrace - DBW.microray, MTV, etc
unix.hensa.ac.uk [] : misc/unix/ralcgm/ralcgm.tar.Z - CGM viewer and
converter.
There's an e-mail server also - mail to archive@unix.hensa.ac.uk
with the message body "send misc/unix/ralcgm/ralcgm.tar.Z"
maeglin.mt.luth.se [130.240.0.25]: graphics/raytracing - prt, others, ~/Doc -
*Wilson's RT abstracts*, Vivid.
ftp.fu-berlin.de [130.20.225.2]: /pub/unix/graphics/rayshade4.0/inputs -
aq.tar.Z is RayShade aquarium [Americans: check princeton.edu first).
Heiko Schlichting <heiko@math.fu-berlin.de>
maggia.ethz.ch [129.132.17.1]: pub/inetray - *Inetray* and Sun RPC 4.0 code
Andreas Thurnherr <ant@ips.id.ethz.ch>
osgiliath.id.dth.dk [129.142.65.24]: /pub/amiga/graphics/Radiance - *Amiga
port of Radiance 2.0*. Per Bojsen <bojsen@ithil.id.dth.dk>
ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de [134.106.1.9] : *PoV raytracer*
Mirrored in wuarchive, has many goods for PoV.
pub/dkbtrace/incoming/polyray - Polyray raytracer
pub/dkbtrace/incoming/pv3d* - *PV3D*
ftp.uni-kl.de [131.246.9.95]: /pub/amiga/raytracing/imagine - mirror of
the hubcap Imagine files.
neptune.inf.ethz.ch [129.132.101.33]: XYZ - *XYZ GeoBench*
Peter Schorn <schorn@inf.ethz.ch>
iamsun.unibe.ch [130.92.64.10]: /Graphics/graphtal* - a L-system interpreter.
Christoph Streit <streit@iam.unibe.ch>
amiga.physik.unizh.ch [130.60.80.80]: /amiga/gfx - Graphics stuff
for the Amiga computer.
stesis.hq.eso.org [134.171.8.100]: on-line access to a huge astronomical
database. (login:starcat;no passwd)
DECnet:STESIS (It's the Space Telescope European Coordination Facility)
Benoit Pirenne <bpirenne@eso.org>, phone +49 89 320 06 433
MIDDLE EAST
-----------
gauss.technion.ac.il [132.68.112.60]: *kaleida*
AUSTRALIA:
----------
gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au [128.250.70.62]: pub - *VORT(ART) ray tracer*, *VOGLE*,
Wilson's ray tracing abstracts, /pub/contrib/artscenes (ART scenes from
Italy), pub/images/haines - Haines thesis images, Graphics Gems code,
SPD, NFF & OFF databases, NFF and OFF previewers, plus some 8- and
24bit images and lots of other stuff. pub/rad.tar.Z - *SGI_RAD*
Bernie Kirby <bernie@ecr.mu.oz.au>
munnari.oz.au [128.250.1.21]: pub/graphics/vort.tar.Z - *VORT (ART) 2.1 CSG and
algebraic surface ray tracer*, *VOGLE*, /pub - DBW, pbmplus. /graphics
- room.tar.Z (ART scenes from Italy).
David Hook <dgh@munnari.oz.au>
marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au [134.7.1.1]: pub/graphics/bibliography/Facial_Animation,
pub/graphics/bibliography/Morph, pub/graphics/bibliography/UI -
stuff about Facial animation, Morphing and User Interfaces.
pub/fascia - Fred Parke's fascia program.
Valerie Hall <val@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au>
OCEANIA - ASIA:
---------------
#ccu1.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.3.1]: ftp/mac/architec - *VISION-3D facet
based modeller, can output RayShade files*. Many other neat things
# for Macs. Paul Bourke <pdbourke@ccu1.auckland.ac.nz>
+[ For users outside NZ - go to wuarchive.wustl.edu, directory
+ /mirrors/architec ]
scslwide.sony.co.jp [133.138.199.1]: ftp2/SGI/Facial-Animation - Steve Franks
site for facial animation.
Steve Franks <stevef@csl.sony.co.jp OR stevef@cs.umr.edu>
4. Mail servers and graphics-oriented BBSes
===========================================
Please check first with the FTP places above, with archie's help.
Don't overuse mail servers.
There are some troubles with wrong return addresses. Many of these
mail servers have a command like
path a_valid_return_e-mail_address
to get a hint for sending back to you stuff.
DEC's FTPMAIL
-------------
Send a one-line message to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com WITHOUT a Subject: field,
and having a line containing the word 'help'.
You should get back a message detailing the relevant procedures you
must follow in order to get the files you want.
Note that the "reply" or "answer" command in your mailer will not work
for this message or any other mail you receive from FTPMAIL. To send
requests to FTPMAIL, send an original mail message, not a reply.
Complaints should be sent to the ftpmail-request@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com
address rather than to postmaster, since DECWRL's postmaster is not
responsible for fixing ftpmail problems.
BITFTP
------
For BITNET sites ONLY, there's BITFTP@PUCC.
Send a one-line 'help' message to this address for more info.
+RED
+---
+ RED - Listserv Redirector is essentially a mail server.
+ The Server Sites that are available are:
+
+ Location EARN/BITNET Internet
+ -------------- ---------------- -------------------
+ In Turkey: TRICKLE@TREARN TRICKLE@EGE.EDU.TR
+ In Denmark: TRICKLE@DKTC11
+ In Italy: TRICKLE@IMIPOLI
+ In Belgium: TRICKLE@BANUFS11 TRICKLE@UFSIA.AC.BE
+ In Austria: TRICKLE@AWIWUW11
+ In Germany: TRICKLE@DS0RUS1I TRICKLE@RUSVM1.RUS.UNI-STUTTGART.DE
+ In Israel: TRICKLE@TAUNIVM TRICKLE@VM.TAU.AC.IL
+ In Netherlands: TRICKLE@HEARN TRICKLE@HEARN.NIC.SURFNET.NL
+ In France: TRICKLE@FRMOP11 TRICKLE@FRMOP11.CNUSC.FR
+ In Colombia: TRICKLE@UNALCOL TRICKLE@UNALCOL.UNAL.EDU.CO
+ In Taiwan: TRICKLE@TWNMOE10 TRICKLE@TWNMOE10.EDU.TW
+
+ You are urged to use the one that is closer to your location.
+ Send a message to one of these containing the body
+
+ /HELP
+
+ and you'll get more instructions.
Lightwave 3D mail based file-server
-----------------------------------
A mail based file server for 3D objects, 24bit JPEG images, GIF images
and image maps is now online for all those with Internet mail access.
The server is the official archive site for the Lightwave 3D mail-list
and contains many PD and Shareware graphics utilities for
several computer platforms including Amiga, Atari, IBM and Macintosh.
The server resides on a BBS called "The Graphics BBS". The BBS is
operational 24 hours a day 7 days a week at the phone number of +1
908/469-0049. It has upgraded its modem to a Hayes Ultra 144
V.32bis/V.42bis, which has speeds from 300bps up to 38,400bps.
If you would like to submit objects, scenes or images to the server,
please pack, uuencode and then mail the files to the address:
server@bobsbox.rent.com.
For information on obtaining files from the server send a mail message
to the address file-server@graphics.rent.com with the following in
the body of the message:
HELP
/DIR
And a help file describing how to use the server and a complete
directory listing will be sent to you via mail.
[ Now it includes the Cyberware head and shouders in TTDDD format! Check it
out, only if you can't use FTP! -- nfotis ]
INRIA-GRAPHLIB
--------------
Pierre Jancene and Sabine Coquillart launched the inria-graphlib mail
server a few months ago.
echo help | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr
will give you a quick summary of what inria-graphlib contains and
how to browse among its files.
echo send contents | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr
will return the extended summary.
As an other example :
echo send cgrl from Misc | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr
will return the Computer Graphics Resource Listing mirrored from
comp.graphics.
BBSes
-----
There are many BBSes that store datafiles, etc.etc., but a guide to these
is beyond the scope of this Listing (and the resources of the author!)
If you can point to me Internet- or mail- accessible BBSes that carry
interesting stuff, send me info!
Studio Amiga is a 3D modelling and ray tracing specific BBS, (817) 467-3658.
24 hours, 105 Meg online.
--
From Jeff Walkup <pwappy@well.sf.ca.us>:
"The Castle" 415/355-2396 (14.4K/v.32bis/v.42/v.42bis/MNP)
(In Pacifica, dang close to San Francisco, California, USA)
The new-user password is: "TAO".
[J]oin base #2; The Castle G/FX, Anim, Video, 3D S.I.G., of which
I am the SIG-Op, "Lazerus".
--
Bob Lindabury operates a BBS (see above the entry for "The Graphics BBS")
--
'You Can Call Me Ray' ray tracing related BBS in Chicago suburbs (708-358-5611)
or (708-358-8721)
--
Digital Pixel (Sysop: Mark Ng <mcng@descartes.waterloo.edu>) is based at
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
Phone : (416) 298 1487
Storage space: 330 megs
Modem type: 14.4k baud,16.8k (Zyxel) , v32bis ,v32, mnp 5
Access Fee: none.. (free)
System supported : DOS, OS/2, Amiga, Mac.
Netmail: Currently no echo mail.
Topics: Raytracing, Fractals, Graphics programming, CAD, Any Comp.
Graphics related
--
From: David Tiberio <dtiberio@ic.sunysb.edu>
Amiga Graphics BBS (516) 473-6351 in Long Island, New York,
running 24 hours at 14.4k v.32bis, with 157 megs on line.
We also subscribe to 9 mailing lists, of which 5 originate
from our BBS, with 3 more to be added soon. These include:
Lightwave, Imagine, Real 3D (ray tracing)
Database files include:
Imagine 3D objects, 3D renderings, scalable fonts, music
modules, sound samples, demos, animations, utilities,
text databases, and pending Lightwave 3D objects.
--
The Graphics Alternative
The Graphics Alternative is in El Cerrito, CA., running 24 hours a
day at 14.4k HST/v.32bis, with 642MB online and a 1300+ user base.
TGA runs two nodes, node 1 (510) 524-2780 is for public access and
includes a free 90 day trial subscription. TGA is the West Coast
Host for PCGnet, The Profesional CAD and Graphics Network, supporting
nodes across the Continental U.S., Alaska, New Zealand, Australia,
France and the UK.
TGA's file database includes MS-DOS executables for POV, Vivid,
RTrace, Rayshade, Polyray, and others. TGA also has numerous
graphics utilities, viewers, and conversion utilities. Registered
Vivid users can also download the latest Vivid aeta code from a
special Vivid conference.
--
From: Scott Bethke <sbathkey@access.digex.com>
The Intersection BBS, 410-250-7149.
This BBS Is dedicated to supporting 3D Animators.The system is provided
FREE OF CHARGE, and is NOT Commercialized in ANYWAY.
Users are given FULL Access on the first call.
Features: Usenet NEWS & Internet Mail, Fidonet Echo's & Netmail,
200 Megs online, V.32bis/V.42bis Modem.
Platforms of interest: Amiga & The VideoToaster, Macintosh, Ms-Dos,
Unix Workstations (Sun, SGI, etc), Atari-ST.
--
From: Alfonso Hermida <afanh@robots.gsfc.nasa.gov>:
Pi Square BBS (301)725-9080 in Maryland. It supports raytracers such as POV
and VIVID. The BBS runs off a 486/33Mhz, 100Megs hard drive and CD ROM.
Now it runs on 1200-2400bps (this will change soon)
Topics: graphics programming, animation,raytracing,programming (general)
--
From: Lynn Falkow <ROXXIE@delphi.com>:
Vertech Design's GRAPHIC CONNECTION. (503) 591-8412 in Portland, Oregon.
V.32/V.42bis.
The BBS, aside from carrying typical BBS services like message bases
( all topic specific ) and files ( CAD and graphics related -- hundreds
of megabytes ), also offers material texture files that are full color,
seamlessly tiling, photo-realistic images. There are samples available
to first time callers. The BBS is a subscription system although callers
have 2 hours before they must subscribe, and there are several subscription
rates available. People interested in materials can subscribe to the
library in addition to a basic subscription rate, and can use their
purchased time to download whichever materials they wish.
==========================================================================
5. Ray-tracing/graphics-related mailing lists
=============================================
Imagine
-------
Modeling and animation system for the Amiga:
send subscription requests to Imagine-request@email.sp.paramax.com
send material to Imagine@email.sp.paramax.com
(Dave Wickard has substituted Steve Worley in the maintenance of
the mailing list) - PLEASE note that the unisys.com address is
NO longer valid!!!
Lightwave
---------
(for the Amiga. It's part of Newtek's Video Toaster):
send subscription requests to lightwave-request@bobsbox.rent.com
send material to lightwave@bobsbox.rent.com
(Bob Lindabury)
Toaster
-------
send subscription requests to listserv@karazm.math.uh.edu with a *body* of:
subscribe toaster-list
Real 3D
-------
Another modeling and animation system for the Amiga:
To subscribe, send a mail containing the body
subscribe real3d-l <Your full name>
to listserv@gu.uwa.edu.au
Rayshade
--------
send subscription requests to rayshade-request@cs.princeton.edu
send material to rayshade-users@cs.princeton.edu
(Craig Kolb)
Alladin 4D for the Amiga
----------
send subscription requests to subscribe@xamiga.linet.org
and in the body of the message write
#Alladin 4D username@domain
Radiance
--------
Greg Ward, the author, sends to registered (via e-mail) users digests of
his correspodence with them, notes about fixes, updates, etc.
His address is: gjward@lbl.gov
REND386
-------
send subscription requests to rend386-request@sunee.waterloo.edu
send material to rend386@sunee.waterloo.edu
PoV ray / DKB raytracers
------------------------
To subscribe, send a mail containing the body
subscribe dkb-l <Your full name>
to listserv@trearn.bitnet
send material to dkb-l@trearn.bitnet
Mailing List for Massively Parallel Rendering
---------------------------------------------
send subscription requests to mp-render-request@icase.edu
send material to mp-render@icase.edu
==========================================================================
6. 3D graphics editors
======================
a. Public domain, free and shareware systems
============================================
VISION-3D
---------
Mac-based program written by Paul D. Bourke (pdbourke@ccu1.aukland.ac.nz).
The program can be used to generate models directly in the RayShade
and Radiance file formats (polygons only).
It's shareware and listed on the FTP list.
BRL
---
A solid modeling system for most environments -- including SGI and X11.
It has CSG and NURBS, plus support for Non-Manifold Geometry
[Whatever it is].
You can get it *free* via FTP by signing and returning the relevant license,
found on ftp.brl.mil. Uses ray-tracing for engineering analyses.
Contact:
Ms. Carla Moyer
(410)-273-7794 tel.
(410)-272-6763 FAX
cad-dist@brl.mil E-mail
Snail mail:
BRL-CAD Distribution
SURVIAC Aberdeen Satellite Office 1003
Old Philadelphia Road,
Suite 103 Aberdeen
MD 21001 USA
IRIT
----
A constructive solid geometry (CSG) modeling program for PC and X11.
Includes freeform surface support. Free - see FTP list for where to
find it.
SurfModel
---------
A solid modeling program for PC written in Turbo Pascal 6.0 by
Ken Van Camp. Available from SIMTEL, pd1:<msdos.srfmodl> directory.
NOODLES
-------
From CMU, namely Fritz Printz and Levent Gursoz (elg@styx.edrc.cmu.edu).
It's based on Non Manifold Topology.
Ask them for more info, I don't know if they give it away.
XYZ2
----
XYZ2 is an interactive 3-D editor/builder written by Dale P. Stocker to
create objects for the SurfaceModel, Automove, and DKB raytracer packages.
XYZ2 is free and can be found, for example, in SIMTEL20 as
<MSDOS.SURFMODL>XYZ21.ZIP (DOS only??)
3DMOD
-----
It's an MSDOS program. Check at barnacle.erc.clarkson.edu [128.153.28.12],
/pub/msdos/graphics/3dmod.* . Undocumented file format :-(
3DMOD is (C) 1991 by Micah Silverman, 25 Pierrepoint Ave., Postdam,
New York 13676, tel. 315-265-7140
NORTHCAD
--------
Shareware, <MSDOS.CAD>NCAD3D42.ZIP in SIMTEL20. Undocumented file format :-(
Vertex
------
(Amiga)
Shareware, send $40 US (check or money order) to:
The Art Machine, 4189 Nickolas
Sterling Heights, MI 48310
USA
In addition to the now standard file formats, including Lightwave,
Imagine, Sculpt, Turbo Silver, GEO and Wavefront, this release offers
3D Professional and RayShade support. (Rayshade is supported only by
the primitive "triangle", but you can easily include this output in
your RayShade scripts)
The latest demo, version 1.62, is available on Fred Fish #727.
For more information, contact the author, Alex Deburie, at:
ad99s461@sycom.mi.org, Phone: (313) 939-2513
ICoons
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(Amiga)
It's a spline based object modeller ("ICoons" = Interactive
COONS path editor) in amiga.physik.unizh.ch (gfx/3d/ICoons1.0.lzh).
It's free (under the GNU Licence) and requires FPU.
The program has a look&feel which is a cross between Journeyman and
Imagine, and it generates objects in TTDDD format.
It is possible to load Journeyman objects into ICoons, so the program
can be used to convert JMan objects to Imagine format.
Author: Helge E. Rasmussen <her@compel.dk>
PHONE + 45 36 72 33 00, FAX + 45 36 72 43 00
[ It's also on Fred Fish disk series n.775 - nfotis ]
ProtoCAD 3D
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Ver 1.1 from Trius (shareware?)
It's at wsmr-simtel20.army.mil and oak.oakland.edu as PCAD3D.ZIP (for PCs)
It has this menu layout:
FILE File handling (Load, Save, Import, Xport...)
DRAW Draw 2D objects (Line, Circle, Box...)
3D Draw 3D objects (Mesh, Sphere, Block...)
EDIT Editing features (Copy, Move ...)
SURFACE Modify objects (Revolve, Xtrude, Sweep...)
IMAGE Image zooming features (Update, Window, Half...)
OPTION Global defaults (Grid, Toggles, Axis...)
PLOT Print drawing/picture (Go, Image...)
RENDER Shade objects (Frame, Lighting, Tune...)
LAYER Layer options (Select active layer, set Colors...)
Sculptura
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Runs under Windows 3.1, and outputs PoV files. A demo can be found
on wuarchive.wustl.edu in mirrors/win3/demo/demo3d.zip
Author: Michael Gibson <gibsonm@stein.u.washington.edu>
b. Commercial systems
=====================
Alpha_1
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A spline-based modeling program written in University of Utah.
Features: splines up to trimmed NURBS; support for boolean operations;
sweeps, bending, warping, flattening etc.; groups of objects, and
transformations; extensible object types.
Applications include: NC machining, Animation utilities,
Dimensioning, FEM analysis, etc.
Rendering subsystem, with support for animations.
Support the following platforms: HP 300 and 800's (X11R4, HP-UX 6.5),
SGI 4D or PI machines (X11R4 and GL, IRIX 3.3.1), Sun SparcStation
(X11R4, SunOS 4.1.1).
Licensing and distribution is handled by EGS:
Glenn McMinn, President
Engineering Geometry Systems
275 East South Temple, Suite 305
Salt Lake City, UT 84111
(801) 575-6021
mcminn@cs.utah.edu
[ Educational pricing ]
The charge is $675 per platform. You may run the system on as many
different workstations of that type as you wish. For each platform
there is also a $250 licensing fee for Portable Standard Lisp (PSL)
which is bundled with the system. You need to obtain an additional
license from the University of Utah for PSL from the following address:
Professor Robert Kessler
Computer Science Department
University of Utah
Salt Lake City, Utah 84112
[ EGS can handle the licensing of PSL for U.S. institutions for a
300 $USD nominal fee -- nfotis ]
VERTIGO
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They have an Educational Institution Program. The package is used in
the industrial design, architectural, scientific visualization,
educational, broadcast, imaging and post production fields.
They'll [quoting from a letter sent to me -- nfotis ] "donate fully
configured Vertigo 3D Graphics Software worth over $29,000USD per
package to qualified educational institutions for licencing on any
number of Silicon Graphics Personal IRIS or POWER Series Workstations.
If you use an IRIS Indigo station, we will also licence our Vertigo
Revolution Software (worth $12,000USD).
If you are interested in participating in this program please send a
letter by mail or fax (604/684-2108) on your institution's letterhead
briefly outlining your potential uses for Vertigo together with the
following information: 1. UNIX version 2. Model and number of SGI
systems 3. Peripheral devices 4. Third Party Software.
Participants will be asked to contribute $750USD per institution to cover
costs of the manual, administration, and shipping.
We recommend that Vertigo users subscribe to our technical support
services. For an annual fee you will receive: technical assistance
on our support hotline, bug fixes, software upgrades and manual updates.
For educational institution we will waive the $750 administration fee
if support is purchased.
The annual support fee is $2,500 plus the following cost for additional
machines:
Number of machines: 2-20 20+
Additional cost per machine: $700 $600 "
[ There's also a 5-day training program - nfotis]
Contact:
Vertigo Technology INC
Suite 1010
1030 West Georgia St.
VANCOUVER, BC
CANADA, V6E 2Y3
Phone: 604/684-2113
Fax: 604/684-2108
[ Does anyone know of such offers from TDI, Alias, Softimage, Wavefront,
etc.??? this would be a VERY interesting part!! -- nfotis ]
PADL-2
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[ Basically, it's a Solid Modeling Kernel in top of which you build your
application(s)]
Available by license from
Cornell Programmable Automation
Cornell University
106 Engineering and Theory Center
Ithaca, NY 14853
License fees are very low for educational institutions and gov't agencies.
Internal commercial licenses and re-dissemination licenses are available.
For an information packet, write to the above address, or send your
address to: marisa@cpa.tn.cornell.edu (Richard Marisa)
ACIS
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From Spatial Technology. It's a Solid Modelling kernel callable from C.
Heard that many universities got free copies from the company.
The person to contact regarding ACIS in academic institutions is
Scott Owens, e-mail: sdo@spatial.com
And their address is:
Spatial Technology, Inc.
2425 55th St., Bldg. A
Boulder, CO 80301-5704
Phone: (303) 449-0649, Fax: (303) 449-0926
MOVIE-BYU / CQUEL.BYU
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Basically [in my understanding], this is a FEM pre- and post-proccessor
system. It's fairly old today, but it still serves some people in
Mech. Eng. Depts.
Now it's superseded from CQUEL.BYU (pronounced "sequel"). That's a
complete modelling, animation and visualization package. Runs in the usual
workstation environments (SUN, DEC, HP, SGI, IBM RS6000, and others)
You can get a demo version (30-days trial period) either by sending $20
USD in their address or a blank tape. It costs 1,500 for a full run-time
licence.
Contact:
Engineering Computer Graphics Lab
368 Clyde Building, Brigham Young Univ.
Provo, UT 84602
Phone: 801-378-2812
E-mail: cquel@byu.edu
twixt
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Soon to add stuff about it... If I get a reply to my FAX
VOXBLAST
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It's a volume renderer marketed by:
Vaytek Inc. (Fairfield, Iowa phone: 515-472-2227) , running on PCs
with 386+FPU at least. Call Vaytek for more info.
VoxelBox
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A 3D Volume renderer for Windows. Features include direct
ray-traced volume rendering, color and alpha mapping,
gradient lighting, animation, reflections and shadows.
Runs on a PC(386 or higher) with at least an 8 bit video card(SVGA is fine)
under Windows 3.x. It costs $495.
Contact:
Jaguar Software Inc.
573 Main St., Suite 9B
Winchester, MA 01890
(617) 729-3659
jwp@world.std.com (john w poduska)
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7. Scene description languages
==============================
NFF
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Neutral file format , by Eric Haines. Very simple, there are some
procedural database generators in the SPD package, and many objects
floating in various FTP sites. There's also a previewer written in
HP Starbase from E.Haines. Also there's one written in VOGLE, so you can
use any of the devices VOGLE can output on.
(Check in sites carrying VOGLE, like gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au)
OFF
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Object file format, from DEC's Randy Rost (rost@kpc.com).
[ The object archive server seems to be mothballed. In a future version,
I'll remove the ref. to it -- nfotis ]
Available also through their mail server. To obtain help about using this
service, send a message with a "Subject:" line containing only the word
"help" and a null message body to: object-archive-server@decwrl.dec.com.
[For FTP places to get it, see in the relevant place]. There's an OFF
previewer for SGI 4D machines, called off-preview in
godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au . There are previewers for xview and sunview,
also on gondwana.
TDDD
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It's a library of 3D objects with translators to/from OFF, NFF,
Rayshade, Imagine or vort objects.
Edited copy of the announcement follows (from Raytracing News, V4,#3):
New Library of 3D Objects Available via FTP, by Steve Worley
(worley@cup.portal.com)
I have assembled a set of over 150 3D objects in a binary format
called TDDD. These objects range from human figures to airplanes,
from semi-trucks to lampposts. These objects are all freely
distributable, and most have READMEs that describe them.
In order to convert these objects to a human-readable format, a file
with the specification of TDDD is included in the directory with the
objects. There is also a shareware system called TTDDDLIB (officially
on hubcap.clemson.edu) that will convert (ala PBM+) to/from various
object formats : Imagine TTDDD (extension of TDDD?), OFF, NFF,
Rayshade 4.0, or vort. Source included for Amiga/Unix as executables
for the Amiga. Also outputs Framemaker MIF files and isometric views
in Postscript.
P3D
---
From Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center. The P3D uses lisp with slight
extensions to store three-dimensional models. A simple lisp
interpreter is included with the P3D release, so there is no need to
have access to any vendor's lisp to run this software.
The mouse-driven user interfaces for Motif, Open Look, and Silicon
Graphics GL, and the DrawP3D subroutine library for generating P3D
without ever looking at the underlying Lisp.
The P3D software currently supports nine renderers. They are:
Painter - Painter's Algorithm, Dore, Silicon Graphics Inc. GL language,
Generic Phigs, Sun Phigs+, DEC Phigs+, Rayshade, ART ray tracer (from
VORT package) and Pixar RenderMan.
The code is available via anonymous FTP from the machines
ftp.psc.edu, directory pub/p3d, and nic.funet.fi, directory
pub/graphics/programs/p3d.
RenderMan
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Pixar's RenderMan is not free - call Pixar for details.
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8. Solids description formats
=============================
a. EEC's ESPRIT project 322 CAD*I (CAD Interfaces) has developed a
neutral file format for transfer of CAD data (curves, surfaces, and
solid models between CAD systems and from CAD to CAA (Computer Aided
Analysis) an CAM (Computer Aided Manufacturing)
b. IGES [v. 5.1 now] tries to define a standard to tranfer solid
models - Brep and CSG. The current standard number is ANSI Y14.26M-1987
For documentation, you might want to contact Nancy Flower at
NCGA Technical Services and Standards, 1-800-225-6242 ext. 325
and the cost is $100.
This standard is not available in electronic format.
c. PDES/STEP : This slowly emerging standard tries to encompass not only
the geometrical information, but also for things like FEM, etc.
The main bodies besides this standard are NIST and DARPA. You can get
more information about PDES by sending mail to nptserver@cme.nist.gov
and putting the line
send index
in the body (NOT the Subject:) area of the message.
The people at Rutherford Appleton Lab. are also working
on STEP tools: they have an EXPRESS compiler and an Exchange file parser,
both available in source form (and for free) for research purposes.
Soon they will also have an EXPRESS-based database system.
For the tools contact Mike Mead, Phone: +44 (0235) 44 6710 (FAX: x 5893),
e-mail: mm@inf.rl.ac.uk or {...!}mcsun!uknet!rlinf!mm or
mm%inf.rl.ac.uk@NSFnet-relay.ac.uk
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End of Part 1 of the Resource Listing
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Turkish Historical Revision <9305111942@zuma.UUCP> via dotage sera@zuma.UUCP
(Serdar Argic) responded to article <1sn5f5INNkh6@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
[MP] Actually, I would like to get a compilation of these one liners,
[MP] so that I could print them out and show them to my friends over the
[MP] summer, and they can see what kind of clowns exist out there in Chicago.
Check out alt.fans.serdar.argic!
[(*] Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920,
[(*] the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated
[(*] in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion
[(*] and national origin?
Muslim race? Muslim national origin? You fool!
[(*] 1) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of Van.[1,2,3,4,5]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 2) Armenians did slaughter 42% of Muslim population of Bitlis.[1,2,3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 3) Armenians did slaughter 31% of Muslim population of Erzurum.[1,2,3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 4) Armenians did slaughter 26% of Muslim population of Diyarbakir.[1,2,
[(*] 3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 5) Armenians did slaughter 16% of Muslim population of Mamuretulaziz.[1,
[(*] 2,3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 6) Armenians did slaughter 15% of Muslim population of Sivas.[1,2,3,4]
NO. Today: Muslims 100%, Armenians 0%
[(*] 7) Armenians did slaughter the entire Muslim population of the x-Soviet
[(*] Armenia.[1,2,3,4]
No. The Azeri population of Armenia in 1988, after anti-Armenian pogroms in
Azerbaijan, was kicked out and sent to Azerbaijan. The remaining Muslims
stayed in Armenia!
[(*] [1] McCarthy, J., "Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman
[(*] Anatolia and the End of the Empire," New York
[(*] University Press, New York, 1983, pp. 133-144.
Let's check it out! On page 121 of this Turkish suggested reference we read:
"The 1927 Turkish census registered not one person of the Gregorian Armenian
faith in Van, only one in Bayazit, and twelve in Erzurum. A people who had
lived in eastern Anatolia since before recorded history were simply gone."
[(*] [2] Karpat, K., "Ottoman Population," The University of Wisconsin Press,
[(*] 1985.
Let's check it out, but first of all the complete title of this reference
includes the words "1830-1914". Thus such a reference cannot support the
above claimed garbage! However, since this is a Turkish suggested reference,
on pages 51 and on Table I2-B it states there were 2.4 million Armenians in
Turkey from 1844-1856. I guess they "were simply gone" after WWI!
[(*] [3] Hovannisian, R. G., "Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.
[(*] University of California Press (Berkeley and
[(*] Los Angeles), 1967, pp. 13, 37.
Let's check it out! On page 48 of this Turkish-suggested reference, under
sub-title, "Deportation and Massacre of Turkish Armenians" it states:
"Several authors assert that Armenian resistance at Van constituted a key
factor in the Turkish evacuation of Persia and motivated the Ittihadist
[Young Turk] leaders to annihilate the Turkish Armenians. The question of
responsibility for the massacres or deportation of nearly all Ottoman
Armenians has evolved into a polemic. Hundreds of books, articles, and
documents have been published to describe the horrifying scenes of violence
and death. Many writers, such as the British Bryce and Toynbee, French Pinon,
German Lepsius, American Morganthau and Gibbons, have insisted that the
massacres were predetermined and ruthlessly executed. The have refuted the
Ottoman government's official publications and justifications by
substantiating that anti-Armenian measures were deliberated by the
Ittihadists even before the outbreak of war. The fact remains than an
estimated eight hundred thousand to over a million Armenians perished within
a few months, and several hundred thousand more succumbed in the following
years to the ravages of disease, famine, and refugee life. Unknown numbers
of women and children were converted forcibly to Islam, possessed by
Turkish men, or adopted by Moslem families."
[(*][4] Shaw, S. J., 'On Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies
[(*] in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey
[(*] (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of
[(*] Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)." (London, Cambridge University
[(*] Press 1977). pp. 315-316.
Stanford Shaw is a paid liar/revisionist for the Turkish government, and has
been exposed as a plagiarizer! For example:
Experts from an interview (in Greek) with Professor Spyros Vryonis (from NYC's
National Herald, 3/12/93) [Thanks, Mr. G.B.]
"Few people know of the problem I faced at UCLA when Professor Stanford
Shaw was due for promotion. I knew him to be Turkey's man; due to my
reading knowledge of Turkish and my seniority over him, I was a member
of the promotion committee. For that case, I sat down and read his entire
treatise "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey". It took me
three months and I found out, from volume I, that he had plagiarized
Uzun Jarsoglu, an eminent Turkish specialist on Ottoman history. Shaw
himself claimed in his introduction that his treatise was the outcome
of a 20-year search through the Ottoman Archives. Well, I went on leave
and managed to show 40% of Volume I, containing around 5000 sentences,
to be the result of plagiarism, matching each sentence with passages
from the original work. He had even reproduced the errors. So I produced a
500-pages manuscript and submitted a 60-pages report on Shaw's plagiarism.
The University, however, rejected my report and, after a closed meeting,
promoted Stanford Shaw to Distinguished Professor. I paid a price for
all this: upset by the whole process, I confronted the entire University
structure and was considered to be a chauvinist and madman. I asked for
permission to run a seminar on Shaw's book that was denied by the President
of the University. While the Center for Near Eastern Studies granted me
permission, the President was depriving me of my academic freedom. Luckily,
the Dean refused to give in and I did run the seminar, attended by more
than 150 academic people, in which I uncovered Stanford Shaw, who refused
to attend. As a punishment, the University froze all my raises."
[5] "Gochnak" (Armenian newspaper published in the United States), May 24,
1915.
No chance! There was no May 24th, 1915 issue of Gochnak!
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Those VHS movies have to be sold because I am moving in 6 weeks.
And I have no idea what happend to those people who made the
deal with me before. So here I am, trying to post another message,
againt. ( I don't mean to waste your valuable time.)
Basic Instinct $11.00
Born on the Forth of July $11.00
Backdraft $11.00
Presumed Innocent $11.00
The Prince of Tides $11.00
Dance of Wolves $11.00
All the prices are including shipping. You get all of them for
$60.00.
Package deals are very welcome...
So make me an offer...
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=>I don't necessarily agree with Pat Robertson. Every one will be placed before
=>the judgement seat eventually and judged on what we have done or failed to do
=>on this earth. God allows people to choose who and what they want to worship.
=
=I'm sorry, but He does not! Ever read the FIRST commandment?
I have. Apparently you haven't. The first commandment doesn't appear to
forbid worshipping other gods. Yahweh's got to be at the top of the totem
pole, though.
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Yes and No. ESPN2 will be launched as early in September. Cap Cities
are currently working with cable companies to ensure a good start-up
base needed for a launch for any brand new cable service.
The problem ESPN2 faces is the TCI-Cablevision connection in the
merger of their Prime and SportsChannel networks. Prime SportsChannel
will try to wrestle away NHL from ESPN in the off-season. Also,TCI
and Cablevision have control a large number of cable systems around the
country with a total of 15 million subscribers. TCI-Cablevision will
do their best that ESPN2 never gets off the ground successfully. And the
NHL's value will suddenly skyrocket in this cable war between Prime SC
and ESPN. NHL is more vital to the survival of a regionalized Prime
SportsChannel since they virtually have no national major league sports
contracts and only cover local NHL/NBA/MLB sports teams.
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So you really see no problem with banning them from places to which you
don't want to go?
Talk to somebody in the insurance industry, particularly after a few
drinks. Then talk to my mom (no booze required). :^)
Ever heard of the DoD? :^)
Nah, you just became complacent that so long as your little quarter
acre is safe, you get your little tax deduction, and no act of the
government intrudes, in too direct and obvious a way, into your little
day to day life, you just don't give a shit.
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In a debate about the student government here at our university, a
question was raised by one student senator:
"Why should I represent people who didn't vote?"
and by implication, this raises a different question:
"Why should I represent people who didn't vote for me?"
I feel that there are many good reasons that anyone elected to public
office (in student government or any other government) should strive
to represent ALL the people in their constituency (class of '95 or a
geographical area, or whatever).
I would like some help from others in phrasing a reasonable argument
on this topic. Thanks.
Followups are directed to talk.politics.misc, but email is preferred.
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This is not a "studies", but a study. Other studies, including the
just-published "Janus Report", give very different figures. The Janus
Report figures are not too different than Kinsey: 9% homosexual men,
and 4% bisexual men.
Don't be stupid. The Kinsey report is one study, so it can't be "all
over the map" all by itself. Other studies, including the Battelle
one, have also been criticed. As far as agendas go, this is really
chutzpah. *Your* agenda is obvious.
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Luke 16 talks about the rich man and Lazarus. Matthew 25 talks about
the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Revelations
20 and 21 reference this fire as the place where unbelievers are
thrown. Matthew 18 talks about being thrown into the eternal fire and
the fire of hell. It seems quite clear that there is this place where
a fire burns forever. From the Revelations passages it is clear that
the devil and his angels will be tormented there forever. From the
Matthew 25 passage it doesn't seem abundantly clear whether the
punishment of unbelievers is everlasting in the sense of final or
in the sense of continual.
From Dale's question, I come away with the suggestion that hell,
if it were short, might be an acceptable alternative to living
forever with the Source of Life, Peace and Joy i.e. the
unbeliever ceases to exist. Whereas, if punishment goes on
continually, then one should have a greater motivation to avoid it.
It definately seems to me that hell is something we want to avoid
regardless of its exact nature.
There seem to be two main questions in Dale's thought:
What is God's main plan on earth?
Why is continual punishment a necessary part of hell as opposed
to simply destroying completely those who refuse God?
I believe that God's main plan is to have a genuine relationship
with people.
The nature of hell and the reasons for its nature seem a lot more
difficult to ascertain. It does seem clear that hell is something
to avoid. At a minimum, hell is the state one is in when one has
nothing to do with God.
In the Bible, I am not aware of any discussion about the specifics of
hell beyond the general of hot, unpleasant and torment. For instance,
it is not discussed how (if at all) the rich man can
continually stay in the fire and still feel discomfort or pain or
whether there is some point at which the pain sensing ability is
burned up. If you can forgive the graphicalness, if you throw a
physical body into a fire, assuming the person starts out alive,
at some fairly quick point, the nerves are destroyed and pain is
no longer sensed. It is not stated what occurs when at the judgement,
the unbelievers, (who are already physically dead) are cast into hell
i.e. they no longer have a physical body so they can't feel physical
pain. What could be sensed continually is that those in hell are
to be forever without God.
The Lazarus/rich man parable is told with the idea of having the listener
think in physical terms in order to get the point that some people
won't listen to God even after he rises from the dead. The point of
the parable is to reach the hard-hearted here who are not listening
to the fact of the resurrection nor the Gospel about Jesus Christ.
It seems reasonable to also draw from the parable that hell is
not even remotely pleasant.
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I baptize you with water for repentance.
But after me will come one who is more powerful than I,
whose sandals I am not fit to carry.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
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If you were to start your own religion, this would be fine. But there
is no scriptural basis for your statement, in fact it really gets to
the heart of the problem. You think you know more than scripture.
Your faith is driven by feel goodism and not by the Word of God. Just
because they are nice people doesn't make it right. You can start all
the churches you want and it won't change the fact that it is wrong.
That is not to imply that gays don't deserve the same love and
forgiveness that anyone else does. But to call their behavior right
just because they are nice people is baseless, and it offers Satan a
perfect place to work because there is no check on what he is doing.
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I don't think that it is "obvious" that "lots" of people are willing
to pay the price. I'm sure someone out there in net-land has some
facts about trends in attendance regarding percentage of capacity
sold. But even if the trends are relatively flat, you have to consider
what is happening on a team-by-team basis.
When the TV money dries up, franchises will be seeking to supplant the
lost revenues from alternative sources. One of the best sources may
be ticket sales.
Example 1: The Dodgers
The Dodgers can count on a strong base of season ticket sales
and *probably* believe that they have the ability to raise
prices without hindering revenues. I certainly think that is
true.
Example 2: The Padres
They will be lucky to average 10,000 fans a game this year.
If they raise prices, less. If they want to increase their
overall revenue base, the best thing they can do is put a
winning team on the field. But given that won't happen (it
won't), they can probably make more money by lowering ticket
prices and running frequent promotions. Will they do that?
I have no idea. But they won't increase prices, because it
won't work *for them*.
The only strange powers at work here are the forces of the market place.
Each team's market is somewhat different, and each owner is going to
be faced with a unique set of circumstances about how to deal with those
market forces. As a buiness manager, I would never *want* to lower my
prices, but sometimes that strategy is necessary, and sometimes it works.
You have to consider everything if you want continued success.
-- The Beastmaster
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[Interchange on Hoban deleted]
Only those you haven't actually read? Sorry, but the irony remains.
So although you don't agree with the fatwa, and apparently don't think
Rushdie should be killed for his book, yet you think he is not due
sympathy for being being under this threat. Furthermore you base this
reaction solely on the fact that he wrote about a particular
well-known story which -- if true -- might reflect poorly on the
absolute truth of your religion. Yet, this opinion is formed without
recourse to actually looking to see how the story is used in context,
accepting at face value the widespread propaganda on just what this
book contains and what the author's motivations are. And then you
come forward and recommend another book which touches on (presumably
"plays with") religious/historical material because you find its
overall presentation neutral!
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If the student has a kidney infection, she ought to be on antibiotics.
Kidney infections-- left untreated-- can cause permanent damage to
the kidneys. I was hospitalized with a kidney infection a while ago
and I was very sick.
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This sounds an awful lot like a password-guesser, not a weakness in
DES. Merritt and I pointed out this weakness in Kerberos in a paper
that came out about 2.5 years ago, in both Computer Communications
Review and Usenix. For that matter, it was loudly discussed on the
Kerberos mailing list even earlier.
The problem has nothing whatsoever to do with DES, and everything to do
with bad password selection.
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I've got a 4PR1000A (EIMAC) unused transmitter tube for sale. Best offer
so far is $125. That's getting close to what I'll sell it for.
Hamfest prices have been about $200 - $250. It works, guaranteed.
Original packaging.
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SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h)
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Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin
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What is the maximum rate of the 6882 FPU that Apple sells directly (Apple
Part No. M6775 LL/A)? The Apple literature labels the FPU for Classics and
LC III's so I assume it will do at least 25MHz. My question is can I put
it in a Performa 600 (68030 @ 32MHz)? The Apple price is cheap at $78
compared to ~$135 from mail order houses. Any one know the answer to this
one?
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You should try having a .xsession script in $HOME to do these
things. xdm will start up your process using the system version
(usually /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession), which should check whether you have
your won and change to that if you do. (Take a copy of the system one
and edit it).
Note, that this file requires "x" access to be set.
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I would say only to the extent that the Roman Catholic Church
neither approves nor disapproves of capital punishment, as
confirmed in the recent catechism, though there are many RCs
who were rather surprised and upset that capital punishment was
not explicitly condemned.
For myself, as a Catholic, I see my own opposition to capital
punishment as much the same as my opposition to abortion - a
reverence for life. Here in the UK, the anti-abortion case is
often let down by the explicit link which those on the
political left make with anti-abortionists and
pro-executionists. There is a tendency to condemn people who
hold both views as hypocrites. I feel that if there were many
more anti-abortionists who were also vocal in their opposition
to capital punishment on a pro-life line, it would end this
kneejerk association of anti-abortion as a right-wing thing,
and get many to think seriously about the issue (there are
plenty who are pro-abortion equally for a kneejerk left-wing
reason).
I do not think your biblical quote can automatically be taken
as support for capital punishment. I take it that as a Roman
Catholic you are opposed to abortion, and would still onsider
it wrong, and something to be objected to even if legalised by
"authority".
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Hah. Newbie bait. Everyone knows the first motorcycle
wasn't built until 1893 - there _were_ no pre-'80's motorcycles!
You've been watching too much Northern Exposure.
Why? Because our wheels are repairable?
Humph. Obviously, more bait. Everyone knows you don't discard
Maytag boxes. Even after they've become uninhabitable, they're
make a great poor boy's mechanic's creeper.
CX500? Whazzat?
Okay. Let's hear you squeal like a pig.
Beware fanatical preaching, lest the residents of Waco, Texas set up
a huge salad bar in your honor...
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Gasp!
I've just spent 3 hours catching up on sci.crypt here (slow reader I
guess) and I really have to put out a few comments too. First, let me
flame the famous Dave S. : He's obviously only 10 years old. Cut him
some slack. :^}
The joke about Clinton/crypto/drugs slammed me thru the roof. Nice job
guys! I've been working on marijuana legalization for over 5 years
now, Clinton's actions so far have really helped. But because of
government action taken against various other groups, I have developed
a 64 bit DES based on public literature to protect my mailing list.
The S-boxes are the critical component, and since I chose 32 out of 57
based on the key, cracking this DES is going to tough. (The reason it
slows you down a touch is that for each key you try you need to use a
different set of s-boxes, I know it's only a vector, but it sure makes
random search a pain). Several marijuana legalization groups have had
their mailing lists confiscated when people were charged with drug
use/sales. It's not a crime to be a member of a legalization org,
*but* you will be watched.
It really is important to write a letter to every official you
personally vote for to explain *why* your privacy is being destroyed by
the "cripple chip". Amazingly enough they do listen when they get
*enough* mail. The Doonsbery jokes about NRA postcards are real, and
the IMI (Illinois Marijuana Initiative) has grown to the point where we
*are* seeing some changes.
It's pretty clear that all the hullabaloo is really about the
implimentation decision being made behind our backs. As Vesselin
points out, this was common practice in communist regimes (and may be
again depending on how the vote goes). But just as criminals have guns
and "law abiding" citizens don't, and criminals like me have marijuana
and "law abiding" subjects don't, criminals like me will have secure
crypto while "law abiding" robots don't. PGP is nice, but as time goes
on we all can do better. And to save our hides we will.
Someone posted an excerpt from Machiavelli. He's my favorite dude.
500 years ago he saw clearly how people *are*, and tried to explain
that to "princes" who wanted people to *obey*. One section not quoted
(I've got "The Prince" at home, so I'll just paraphrase :) ) had to do
with conquring a free city. The only way is to *completly destroy*
it. Failing that, you must appoint locals to high positions and accept
the people's customs. Even after 100 years of oppression, a people
will remember their heratige and rise up to overthrow the oppresive
government. And he gave an example. And that was 300 years *before*
Thomas Jefferson.
There were questions about watching traffic. Only *interesting* traffic
is watched: stuff that goes overseas and comes back; stuff with keywords
like marijauana, cryptography, NSA; certain individuals who are known
subversives, etc. It is easy enough to store all that traffic. So if
you know how to be *subversive* i.e. how to be unseen, it's pretty easy
to go unnoticed for a long time. The stronger your crypto system and the
less you're noticed, the better your chances of developing an organization
which can diseminate truth to the masses.
Which gets me to the thread about a "public encrypted conference".
That's just silly. The first thing the feds do is send in an
infiltrator (like Dave S.) and they know what you're doing. It will be
fun for teenagers and college students, but for the real world it's
pretty pointless. Crypto is useful for more things than hiding where
you get your marijuana.
Guns, drugs and crypto do have some commonality: there are people in
government who want you to *obey* their rules. As Lundquist says in
alt.drugs "Live free or don't". Machiavelli pointed out that's just
how most people actually live, inspite of appearences to the contrary.
It's true that the decision to shove the clipper (not the same thing as
Intergraph's!!!) down our throats violates the principles of what the
U.S. was founded on, but the government is full of idiotic robots
called bureaucrats and there's less to worry about than one might
think. Only really innocent (read naive) subjects of the U.S. will be
hurt by this, the rest of us *criminals* will live in secure freedom.
de Toqueville pointed out 150+ years ago that the tyranny of the
majority will be mitigated by the mediocrity of the government.
And given what I see government officials doing where I work (Argonne
National Lab.) the level of stupidity makes Dave S. look smart.
Patience, persistence, truth, work: dvader@hemp-imi.hep.anl.gov
Dr. mike home: mrosing@igc.org
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Hmm, it seems that this is the core of Christianity then, you
have to feel guilty, and then there's this single personality
that will save you from this universal guilt feeling.
Brian, I will tell you a secret, I don't feel guilty at all,
I do mistakes, and I regret them, however I've never had this
huge guilt feeling hanging over my shoulder.
If things happen wrong, I will try to learn from the mistakes
and go on.
This all is a very clear indication that you need a certain
personality type in order to believe and adjust to certain
religious doctrines. And if your personality type is
opposite, then you are not that easily attached to a certain
world view system.
All I know is that I don't know everything. And frankly speaking
I don't care, life is fun anyway. I recognize that I'm not
perfect, but that does not hinder me from have a healthy
and inspiring life.
There are humans that subscribe to the same notion. The nice
thing is that when you finally shake off this huge burden,
the shoulders feel far more relaxed!
Cheers,
Kent
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excuse me, but what makes you think that just because he's atheist he
doesn't know anything about christianity???? in my (albeit limited)
experience atheists are often the ones who know _more_ about the
bible, having searched it from end to end for answers. i myself am a
christian, but that doesn't mean i consider myself more of an
authority on my religion -- i just have a different perspective on it
(more biased in favor, naturally :) ).
it seems quite obvious why he is subscribed, if i may infer from what
motives anyway -- at the very least (although i dislike this kind of
logic), one could hope that he will "see the light". critcism will, i
fear, not give him a very positive picture of christians....
with regard to this, i guess i don't really feel sentiments of this
order can be proven -- faith has a lot to do with it. this is why
those who search the bible from cover to cover for answers won't
necessarily get what they're looking for. of course that doesn't help
anyone who doesn't already have faith -- what a big catch 22. i
discovered this quite recently when i ran into an agnostic looking for an
explanation of my faith and i quickly discovered that i could give him
nothing more than my life story and a description of my nature. faith
is a very personal thing -- any attempt to "prove" the "facts" behind
it must be questioned.
likewise -- no matter what you believe.
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Wasn't the shareware fee a "suggestion" by John?
Is so then it's up to the individual to make the choice whether or not to
honour it and part with money. Personally if I was in his position I would
do exactly the same thing, John has obviously put in lot of time and effort
into xv and why shouldn't he receive some money for it.
It is interesting to look at the change(s) of mind that John has had.
The AUTHOR file for xgif (an early incarnation of xv) reads (in part)
as follows...
Do whatever you want with this program, though it *would* be nice if my name
remained on it somewhere... Other than that, it may be freely modified,
distributed, and used to fill up disk space.
The README file for xv 1.00 (?) reads (in part) as follows...
NOTE: If you like the program and decide to use it, *please* send me a short
email message to that effect. Be sure to mention the full name of your
organization. When our sponsors ask us 'what have you been doing', it would
be most handy to be able to come up with a nice long list of organizations
that are using code developed in the GRASP Lab. Brownie points, as
it were.
The copyright notices as it appeared then was...
/*
* Copyright 1989, 1990 by the University of Pennsylvania
*
* Permission to use, copy, and distribute for non-commercial purposes,
* is hereby granted without fee, providing that the above copyright
* notice appear in all copies and that both the copyright notice and this
* permission notice appear in supporting documentation.
*
* The software may be modified for your own purposes, but modified versions
* may not be distributed.
*
* This software is provided "as is" without any express or implied warranty.
*/
The README file for xv 2.00 reads (in part) as follows...
Also, if you find XV to be nifty, useful, generally 'cool', and of
some value to you, your donation (not tax-deductable) would be greatly
appreciated. $10 (U.S.) is probably a fine amount to donate.
Folks who donate $25 and up will receive a nice, bound copy of the XV Manual
printed on a spiffo 600-dpi laser printer. It'll look lovely mounted over
your fireplace.
Which looks to me as a suggestion (see Julian's comment above).
The copyright notices as it appeared then was...
* Copyright 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992 by John Bradley and
* The University of Pennsylvania
The README for xv 3.00 reads (in part) as follows...
XV is shareware for PERSONAL USE only. You may use XV for your own
amusement, and if you find it nifty, useful, generally cool, or of
some value to you, your non-deductable donation would be greatly
appreciated. $25 is the suggested donation, though, of course,
larger donations are quite welcome. Folks who donate $25 or more
can receive a printed, bound copy of the XV manual for no extra
charge. If you want one, just ask. BE SURE TO SPECIFY THE VERSION
OF XV THAT YOU ARE USING!
Commercial, government, and institutional users MUST register their
copies of XV, for the exceedingly REASONABLE price of just $25 per
workstation/X terminal. Site licenses are available for those who
wish to run XV on a large number of machines. Contact the author
for more details.
The second paragraph to me says that universities MUST register and
pay (a potentially) large sum of money.
The copyright notices now read...
* Copyright 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993 by John Bradley
Was this developed on upenn's time/equipment? What do they, and the
GRASP lab mentioned above, have to say about all this?
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As requested, here are some addresses of sources of bizarre religious satire
and commentary... Plus some bijou book reviewettes.
---
Loompanics Unlimited
PO Box 1197
Port Townsend, WA 98368. USA.
Publishers of one of the most infamous mail-order book catalogue in the
world. Anarchism, Discordianism, Libertarianism, cryogenics, money-making
(legal and illegal), privacy and security, self-defense, and all kinds of
other stuff that keeps Christians awake at nights.
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The Church of the SubGenius
PO Box 140306
Dallas, TX 75214. USA.
The original end times church for post-human mutants; a high temple for
scoffers, mockers and blasphemers. Be one of the few to board the X-ist
saucers in 1998 and escape Space God JHVH-1's stark fist of removal. J.R.
"Bob" Dobbs, God of Sales, is waiting to take your money and ordain you.
Magazines, sick audio cassettes, and assorted offensive cynisacreligious
material. Periodic lists of addresses of Pink religious cults and contact
points for the world wierdo network.
Expect a slow response to mail. Only conspiracies are well-organized. You
will eventually get what you pay for if you give them some slack.
---
Counter Productions
PO Box 556
London SE5 0RL
UK
A UK source of obscure books. A wide-ranging selection; Surrealism,
Anarchism, SubGenius, Discordianism, Robert Anton Wilson, Lovecraftian
horror, Cyberpunk, Forteana, political and social commentary, Wilhelm Reich,
Orgone tech, obscure rock music, SF, and so on. Send an SAE (and maybe a
bribe, they need your money) and ask for a catalogue. Tell them mathew sent
you. I've ordered from these folks three or four times now, and they're
about as fast and efficient as you can expect from this sort of operation.
---
Forbidden Planet
Various sites in the UK; in particular, along London's New Oxford Street, just
down the road from Tottenham Court Road tube station.
Mass market oddness. SubGenius, Robert Anton Wilson, Loompanics, and of
course huge quantities of SF. Not a terribly good selection, but they're in
the high street.
---
REVIEWETTE: "Loompanics' Greatest Hits"
ISBN 1-55950-031-X (Loompanics)
A selection of articles picked from the books in Loompanics' catalogue.
Subjects include:
* Christian Dispensationalism -- how right-wing Christians encouraged
the Cold War
* Satanic Child Abuse myths
* Religion and censorship
Plus lots of anarchist and libertarian stuff, situationism, computers and
privacy, and so on. Guaranteed to contain at least one article that'll
offend you -- like, for example, the interview with Bradley R. Smith, the
Holocaust Revisionist. A good sampling of stuff in a coffee table book. (Of
course, whether you want to leave this sort of stuff lying around on your
coffee table is another matter.)
QUOTE:
"The fundamentalists leap up and down in apoplectic rage and joy. Their
worst fantasies are vindicated, and therefore (or so they like to think),
their entire theology and socio-political agenda is too. Meanwhile, teen-age
misanthropes and social misfits murder their enemies, classmates, families,
friends, even complete strangers, all because they read one of Anton LaVey's
cooks or listened to one too many AC/DC records. The born-agains are ready
to burn again, and not just books this time."
---
REVIEWETTE: "The Book of the SubGenius", J.R. Dobbs & the SubGenius Foundation
ISBN 0-671-63810-6 (Simon & Schuster)
Described by 'Rolling Stone' as "A sick masterpiece for those who can still
laugh at the fact that nothing is funny anymore." The official Bible of the
SubGenius Church, containing the sacred teachings of J.R. "Bob" Dobbs.
Instant answers to everything; causes catalytic brain cell loss in seconds;
the secret of total slack; how to relax in the safety of your delusions and
pull the wool over your own eyes; nuclear doom and other things to laugh at.
QUOTE:
"He has been known to answer questions concerning universal truths with
screams. With suggestive silence. By peeing down his pants leg. His most
famous sermon was of cosmic simplicity: "Bob" standing on the stage with his
hands in his pockets, smoking, looking around and saying nothing. Heated
arguments still rage among the monks, often erupting into fatal duels, as
towhether the Master consulted his wristwatch during this divine period of
Grace."
--
REVIEWETTE: "High Weirdness by Mail", Rev. Ivan Stang
ISBN 0-671-64260-X (Simon & Schuster)
An encyclopedia of wierd organizations you can contact by mail. Space
Jesuses, Christian vs Christian, UFO contactees, New Age saps, Creationists,
Flat Earthers, White Supremacist churches, plus (yawn) CSICOP, Sceptical
Enquirer and stuff like that. Not just a list of addresses, though, as each
kook group is ruthlessly mocked and ridiculed with sarcastic glee. If you
like alt.atheism's flame wars, this is the book for you. Made me laugh until
my stomach ached. Revised edition due some time in the next year or two.
SAMPLE ENTRY:
Entertaining Demons Unawares
Southwest Radio Church
PO Box 1144
Oklahoma City, OK 73101
"Your Watchman on the Wall." Another flagellating, genuflecting
fundamentalist outfit. Their booklet "Entertaining Demons Unawares"
exposes the Star Wars / E.T. / Dungeons & Dragons / Saturday morning
cartoon / Satanic connection in horrifying detail. Left out Smurfs,
though! I especially liked the bit about Wonder Woman's Antichrist origins.
Keep in mind that once you send for anything from these people, you'll be
on their mailing list for life.
---
REVIEWETTE: "The Abolition of Work", Bob Black
ISBN 0-915179-41-5 (Loompanics)
A selection of Bob Black's painfully witty and intelligent anarchist tracts
collected into book form. If I were this good I'd be insufferable.(*)
Probably the only thought-provoking political book that's fun to read.
QUOTE:
"Babble about 'The wages of sin' serves to cover up 'the sin of wages'. We
want rights, not rites -- sex, not sects. Only Eros and Eris belong in our
pantheon. Surely the Nazarene necrophile has had his revenge by now.
Remember, pain is just God's way of hurting you."
---
REVIEWETTE: "Principia Discordia", Malaclypse the Younger
ISBN 1-55950-040-9 (Loompanics)
The infamous Discordian Bible, reprinted in its entirety and then some. Yes,
you could FTP the online copy, but this one has all the pictures. Explains
absolutely everything, including the Law of Fives, how to start a Discordian
Cabal, and instructions for preaching Discordianism to Christians.
QUOTE:
"A Discordian is Required during his early Illumination to Go Off Alone &
Partake Joyously of a Hot Dog on a Friday; this Devotive Caremony to
Remonstrate against the popular Paganisms of the Day: of Catholic Christendom
(no meat on Friday), of Judaism (no meat of Pork), of Hindic Peoples (no meat
of Beef), of Buddhists (no meat of animal), and of Discordians (no Hot Dog
Buns)."
---
REVIEWETTE: "Natural Law, or Don't Put a Rubber on Your Willy",
Robert Anton Wilson
ISBN 0-915179-61-X (Loompanics)
The author of the Illuminatus trilogy rails against natural law, natural
morality, objective reality, and other pervasive myths. Witty and
thought-provoking work from someone who actually seems to know an argument
from a hole in the ground.
QUOTE:
"Since theological propositions are scientifically meaningless, those of us
of pragmatic disposition simply won't buy such dubious merchandise. [...]
Maybe -- remotely -- there might be something in such promotions, as there
might be something in the talking dogs and the stocks in Arabian tapioca
mines that W.C. Fields once sold in his comedies, but we suspect that we
recognize a con game in operation. At least, we want to hear the dog talk or
see the tapioca ore before we buy into such deals."
---
All of the books mentioned above should be available from Counter Productions
in the UK, or directly from the SubGenius Foundation or Loompanics Unlimited.
mathew
[ (*) What do you mean I am anyway? ]
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Microsoft has a division called Microsoft Consulting that does what
IBM FEs (field engineers) do.
However, neither company just up and sends consultants to client sites.
Both companies charge very high hourly rates for on-site consulting unless
the client has already paid an annual service contract.
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Hey,
I am looking for C-algorithm, which decide,whether a 3D-Point is
inside a space which was defined by 8 x 3D-points.
With a space defined by 8 x 3D-points, I mean a space defined by
6 closed 3D meshes defined by 8 points. Like this :
_____
/ /|
/____/ |
| | |
| | /
|____|/
But in this simple example, the sides are parallel, but my problem,
the sides can be non parallel and the opposite sides must not have
the same size etc. Please mail me your informations !
Thanks for your great efforts
Oliver
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It is a factory testing slot. The test rig connects to the connector and
verifies proper board operation.
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May I humbly suggest DESQview/X? (Of course, I'm biased...)
DESQview/X is a multitasker for DOS computers, that uses a standard
X11R4 server as it's display mechanism. DOS applications and Microsoft
Windows standard mode are converted on-the-fly to X-protocol, allowing
you to display them, or any R4 compatable X-program from any machine
on the net to display to the PC's local display (or to any other display
on the net).
Free tools are available for devloping X-applications for the DVX platform;
many X-programs have been ported between DVX and UNIX with little or
no modifications. (Often, you only need to create a new makefile!)
If you're interested in more details, you can check out the usenet group
comp.os.msdos.desqview, or just email me directly at support@qdeck.com,
and I'd be happy to fill you in.
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Could someone repost the FAQs for this group, please?
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*********************Word Perfect V2.1 for the Mac*********************
I have a brand new copy of Word Perfect 2.1. It is the latest release, $100
it has not been used and is still in shrink wrap. It is a student
version so it is not upgradable to a newer version. It sells for $250+
I would like to get $100 for it.
Please e-mail to jbell@eecom.gatech.edu
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The aperture door will be shut during reboost. Using the shuttle
means that there will be someone nearby to pry the door open again
if it should stick.
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Assuming that the wax is causing hearing loss, congestion or popping
in the ears, you can try some cautious tepid water irrigation with a
bulb syringe, but it is awkward to do for oneself and may not work or
may even make things worse. (My wife would disagree, she does it
successfully every six months or so.) In any case DO NOT ATTEMPT
ANYTHING WITH Q-TIPS!!!
My experience has been that this is initially best handled by a
Ear/Nose/Throat person. I say initially, because an ENT can evaluate
whether or not you might have success on your own with a little
instruction.
I am not a physician (obviously, because I eschew the term
otolaryngologist); this posting is based only on personal experience.
========================================================================
<Usual Disclaimer> "The best is the enemy of the good" - Voltaire
Leon Traister (lmtra@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com)
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Not totally true. For the past year or two, the AP has been getting box
scores from STATS, Inc. The AP representative in the press box is actually
a STATS reporter ($25 dollars a game, but free parking. And anybody can
do it.) The box is downloaded to STATS in Chicago, some quick error
checking is done, and then STATS sends it to the AP. I'm not sure where
the appreveiations come in hear. I don't think it is at STATS's. It may
just be a space correction by the AP sports editor that day.
While I'm mentioning STATS reporters, they are always looking for new
people. Especially if you live in Cleveland or Pittsburgh, you're road
to getting into the press box may be real short. For more info, call
STATS (708) 676-3322, and ask about the reporter network. It's a fun
way to get paid for watching baseball games.
End of public service announcement.
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#|> #|>
#|> #|> #This is quite different from saying "Employing force on other people
#|> #|> #is immoral, period. Unfortunately, from time to time we are obliged
#|> #|> #to do this immoral thing for reasons of self-preservation, and so
#|> #|> #we have to bear the moral consequences of that.
#|> #|>
#|> #|> Since both statements, to all intents and purposes, say effectively
#|> #|> the same thing,
#|> #
#|> #Are you serious? Two statements, one of which says that use of force
#|> #in the given situation is moral, and the other of which says it is
#|> #not moral "say effectively the same thing?"
#|>
#|> Yes, when you tag on the "Unfortunately, ...", then to all intents and
#|> purposes you are saying the same thing.
#
#Then delete the "unfortunately". Now tell me that the two statement
#say effectively the same thing.
#
#And to save everyone a couple of trips round this loop, please notice
#that we are only obliged to use force to preserve self. We can choose
#*not* to preserve self, which is the point of pacifism.
O.K., got you. I concede your point, though the word "obliged" strongly
implies that one must sometimes use force. A further rephrasing would
give you the distinction you mention, however. If I have you right, a pacifist
would not even go on to say, "unfortunately,etc."
#|> #Would you say this of any two statements, one saying "X is moral" and
#|> #the other saying "X is immoral?" How would you decided when two
#|> #statements "X is moral" "X is immoral" actually conflict, and when
#|> #they "say effectively the same thing".
#|>
#|> What they prescribe that one should do is a pretty good indicator.
#
#And in this case they don't prescribe the same things, so.....
Yes, fair enough, though why confuse things by saying that "one is
somtimes obliged" if the real meaning is that "one is never obliged".
#|> #|> and lead one to do precisely the same thing, then
#|> #|> either both statements are doublespeak, or none.
#|> #
#|> #They might lead you to do the same thing, but the difference is what
#|> #motivates pacifism so they obviously don't lead pacifists to to the
#|> #same thing.
#|>
#|> That's not true. You could formulate a pragmatic belief in minimum
#|> force and still be a pacifist. If the minimum is 0, great - but one is
#|> always trying to get as close to 0 force as possible under that belief.
#|> Not the same as 'force is immoral, period', but still tending to pacifism.
#
#If you don't think the use of force is immoral, why minimise its use?
If you don't think that it is "immoral, period.".
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It depends on the mode you're using. For a single 64-bit input block, a
one-bit error will have a 50 percent chance of corrupting each of the 64
output bits - in other words, it essentially turns the output block into
a random number. If you're encrypting data in CBC mode, however, only the
one 64-bit block will be affected. The next block, and all that follow it
will be decrypted properly.
It's a good idea to have some kind of error correction in your system if
corrupted bits are likely.
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: But how do we know that you're representing the REAL Christians?
: ;-)
: Bill, you're an asshole. Get lost.
Maddi,
I see that you still can't grasp the obvious, is it because your are devious
by nature, or can you only find fault with an argument by
misrepresenting it?
I plainly said that I was stating the Christian position as I
understand it, I did not say whether I agree with it since my point
was that the only flaws in that position are those atheists invent.
I have never claimed to be an expert on anything and especially
Christianity, but I have made it an object of pretty intense study
over the years, so I feel qualified to discuss what its general
propositions are.
What offends you is that I have exposed the distortions and
misrepresentations of Christianity you contrive and then rail against,
(which seems more like the classical strawman dodge than what I said)
This leaves you with nothing but to attack but me. As usual, you
avoid the larger issues by picking away at the insignificant stuff, why not
find one particular thing in my post that we can discuss, or can you
even tell me what the issues are?
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I am looking for some fast polygon routines (Shaded or Texture
Mapped) in ASM (compile with MASM) or in Turbo Pascal (compile with
TP6). It has to be able to run on a 286, but does not have to look
super fast on a 286, but must look good on a 386.
If anyone has any such code could you please mail it to me. Or tell
me where it can be got.
Thanks in advance.
--
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New Technology
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Cycle eXperimental
Got this from a mechanic at Al Lamb's Honda!
AT
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I believe I have the same monitor problem. I have a system from Micron
Computers with the 15" Mag 1564 (the same monitor as the gateway) and am having
the same symptoms.
What's this with removing the monitor extension cable?
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Is there a way I can save a snapshot of my screen to a file, under
Windows? (Similar to the way one can press CMD-SHIFT-3 on a Mac.)
Please email rather than posting.
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Is (was? :-( ) your HG zipper the nylon-coil type or the kind with
molded plastic teeth? I've only tried it on the coiled nylon type, and
it doesn't take much squish to fix the problem. I found I was overdoing
it (no broken parts, but the zipper was too hard to pull) so after
spreading the zipper pull jaws again, I tried with Vice-Grips. No, not
the usual Grip Of Death technique, I adjusted the closed Vice-Grips so
they were snug on the zipper jaws, then released them and tightened the
adjusting screw a bit. A couple of iterations and I had just the right
amount of Zipper Squish (TM).
I've had two zipper pulls fail on my Aerostich suit (actually on the
Accessory Ellipse), and they sent me a few replacement pulls free of
charge. I don't know what brand of zippers HG uses, but parts ARE
available for YKK's plastic zippers. Replacement was pretty simple, just
break and remove the plastic knob at the top of the zipper that keeps
the pull from coming off the top end. Slide on the new zipper pull. Then
crimp on (Vice-Grips again!) a replacement zipper stop.
You might try fabric stores & such and see if they sell replacement
parts.
Oh, for what it's worth, the coil-type zippers on the Eclipse tankbag
are also YKK.
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What would be a good platform for some fairly basic video work of the
following nature:
Reading real video in for playbak in various app's 5-10 Minnutes in length
Basic editing features for said video - rearange sequences, adding grapic
slides from something like power point etc...
I'm not to familiar with this stuff but would like a good system with crisp
performance. It's for educational/promotional things so the video quality
should be decent.
I'm thinking Tempest or cyclone, Big drive,loads o ram, Floptical or 128Mb
optical ?? - however, I'm not to sure of the various cards and software
thats out there.
Please email any responses,
Thanks
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I am *almost* done porting XFree86 1.2 to a new piece of display
hardware, but have run into a snag I think may be somewhat
commonplace, so I'm sending a net-feeler.
I have a display that is a non-interlaced, memory mapped, 1-bit
720x280 display. The server's view of the world, (obtained via xwd |
xwud), seems to be exactly what it should be. However, the displayed
version of the framebuffer gives the impression that the server is
using scanlines that are too long. After a bit of experimentation, it
seems that the problem was that the server was padding the line out to
a word boundry, but the scanline size in the buffer is 90 bytes, which
isn't exactly divisible by four. Changing the following defines in
mit/server/include/servermd.h:
----
#define BITMAP_SCANLINE_PAD 32
#define LOG2_BITMAP_PAD 5
#define LOG2_BYTES_PER_SCANLINE_PAD 2
---
to:
---
#define BITMAP_SCANLINE_PAD 16
#define LOG2_BITMAP_PAD 4
#define LOG2_BYTES_PER_SCANLINE_PAD 2
---
Was not exactly the right solution. How do I tell the server either
(a) don't pad the scan lines at all ('cause this server is only being
built to run on this particular display), or to pad only to byte
boundries?
I'm using a customized version of XFree86v1.2, under Mach 3.0.
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I was at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum the other day and one of
their VERY early winners was 4 valves per cylinder (and either front
wheel drive or all wheel drive, I think front wheel drive) and that
was in 1914!
Spiros
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I've seen it as "Colmn" also.
Blame the Associated Press. After the official scorer balances the
official score card, they copy it and give it to several diffent people.
One of those is a person from AP whose job it is to type it up (using a
template on a laptop) and transmit it to the AP offices in New York
(Rockefeller Center) via the telephone. The box scores are not checked
and just rebroadcasted over AP's news delivery services. If there are
corrections, those are issued later. It is the person sitting in front
of a laptop at Shea (or whereever) whose fault that is. [NOTE: The AP
puts out boxscores in three different formats with the one you see in
most newspapers being the first one]
Last week they were in Denver. Maybe the AP person in Denver did this
(remember, they just started with MLB out there). Check tomorrow's
paper (4/21) and see if the person who is doing it from Shea does the
same thing.
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Are there any Montreal Canadiens fans out there who can let me the radio
station(s) which are playing the playoff series (including short wave radio
frequencies)? Lewisburg, PA (home of Bucknell University) is definitely
not a hockey town!
Please send responses to malinich@bucknell.edu
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(message posted by/for roomate)
Bike is in good condition, is black, has 23000 miles, mag wheels,
front disk, rear drum, good front tire, new back tire, o-ring chain,
new battery, new starter and has that laid back look. Bike runs
real strong with all four carbs giving their best. Buyer gets a
cover (all weather, lockable & heatproof), tank bag (non-magnetic -
can't take disks along otherwise!), cargo net & manual. Bike has
origional tool kit & matching Yamaha lock.
Asking $1700 or Best Offer. I would like to sell this soon, so please
CALL (voice!)(ack!) with any questions!
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I have a few small cans of self defense spray for sale. I'm
asking $12 for one can. It's about the size of a pen marker
and works pretty good. (so I hear).
Thanks,
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If I may offer a constructive criticism, perhaps you should decide if you
love vehicles or the use they are put to. I, myself, think the F-86 is
a beautiful aircraft, but rest assured, I wouldn't even think of flying
it in combat today. Most of us want access to space and judge vehicles
on how they perform.
Not to this degree.
Why?
Your wrong. The DC approach is very tollerent of failure. It also has
the advantage of far greater reliability do to its reusable nature (Shuttle
isn't reusable, it's salvagable).
The flip over happens at a very low speed, not supersonic. If the DC-X
shows the flip over works, it will work unless the laws of physics change.
The final DC-1 will have fully intact abort throughout the entire flight
envelop. Upon re-entry for example, it can loose about 80% of available
thrust and still land safely.
Everything can suffer from catastrophic failure but that's not the same
thing. Shuttle simply isn't a fault tolerent design, SSTO is.
You don't put your patients in conditions where there is no way out. You
wouldn't for example, give a patient a drug and not monitor them for
harmful side effects would you?
You are very much in the minority. If the DC series fails to make orbit, it
will still be a very worthwhile effort. It will show us EXACTLY what we do
need to do to build SSTO.
Again, refering to the DC-1, it will provide fully intact abort theroughout
the flight envelop. Shuttle doesn't. DC is fault tollerent, Shuttle isn't.
Not true. Build a passenger pallet (a fairly easy thing to do) and it will
carry passengers.
I would suggest you talk to the DC-X crew themselves. Their original
schedule had an operational DC-1 flying in 96.
Your ignoring the dammage it does. Mannes space has a reputation for being
unreliable and hugely expensive. Shuttle supporters only make it easy for
opponents of manned space to kill it.
The only way to prove those things is to build it.
Allen
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OK. It varies from state to state. It has to do with operating a vehicle
while there is greater than a given percentage of alcohol in your
bloodstream. Can we drop this now, and get back to asking Ed Green to
getabike?
tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
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Note that the two tables don't talk about the same population. One is
Fortune 1000 companies favoring the platform as their primary
application platform, the other is sales (to everyone, not just
Fortune 1000). Fortune 1000 companies don't do a lot of development
with the Mac as their top platform. I would expect that that would
explain the discrepancy.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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The BATF warrant was unsealed yesterday.
The entire operation was illegal from day ONE.
No authority for a "no-knock" raid.
No authority to use the Texas helicopters.
No authority to search for a "drug lab". More ATF lies.
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I am wondering if anyone has any opinions about the 2theMAX 4000S
SVGA card. I just purchased one due to a great price on it. It boasts 16.7
million "true" colors, with 1MB onboard. If you know anything about this
card, please respond via mail, as this group tends to be overwhelming at
times with posts. Thanks in advance!!!
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The biblical arguments against homosexuality are weak at best, yet
Christ is quite clear about our obligations to the poor. How as
Christians can we demand celibacy from homosexuals when we walk
by homeless people and ignore the pleas for help?
Christ is quite clear on our obligations to the poor.
Thought for the day:
MAT 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to
thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam
is in thine own eye?
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I don't think Michael's response was anti-party but rather pro-environmental.
I agree that you gotta let us Hogs out to roam every once in awhile. Let's
hope that next year Oatman will be better prepared and that we all pick up
after ourselves.
Well, I for one thought you told a good story, even if you say you are an
a**hole!:-) We need more biker experiances written to news. It's unfortunate
that you got flamed for telling it, but we all know this is a controversial
group.
At any rate, keep up the good work and continue to post stories.
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A friend had a Ford Taunus (era early 60's) that *did* have a V4 in it.
I lost a bet on it. I find it hard to believe there are no *recent* cars
with a V4 in them. Any *recent* ones?
Spiros
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It has also apparently been excised from the second edition.
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There are basically three alternatives for Gaza:
1. To throw the Jews to the sea. that is basically to make them leave
the Middle-East and go back to where they came from (russia, Europe, USA, etc)
2. To throw the Gazans into the sea, in accordance with Yitzhak Rabin's
wish and that of many Zionists.
3. For Israelis and Palestinians to come to an honorable and fair (I
don't attempt to say just) settlement, which would allow each person
to live in dignity in his country in freedom and equality.
I personnaly opt for the third alternative. How about you folks ?
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