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"content": "I think he knew trump would be a nightmare for the US ",
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"content": "It started because of the State Department’s involvement in the Ukraine elections. To say otherwise is naive and disingenuous. \n\nhttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957\n",
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"content": "Putin would have interfered anyway. The US is a constant \"threat\" to the Russian Federation, and Putin has a gigantic incentive to interfere.",
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"content": "Did he interfere prior to 2014? Vlad has been in office on and off for a rather long time. ",
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"content": "Why should he? Any hacking in after 2014 is going to have a better ROI. It also takes time to hack major institutions. He also had to deal with other stuff, including the Caucasus and Georgia",
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"content": ">To say otherwise is naive and disingenuous\n\nIt started _way_ earlyier. When putin offered the US help after 9/11 and Bush rejected it, stating the US would be able to handle it themselves, he took it as a personal offense. He started considering the US an enemy back then and it only got worse, since at least 2006 he let his intelligence services train terrorists in Georgia and Ukraine. \n\nWhen in 2008 Georgia and Ukraine sought NATO membership he openly threatened to annex parts of those countries. The UK, France and Germany veto'd their application request out of respect for russian concerns, and a year later russia invaded Georgia, cutting away Abkhasia and South-Ossetia. \n\nDuring the Green revolution in Iran and the spring revolutions in the arab world, his paranoia convinced him that the US was staging all of this to gain influence and basically annex those countries. When a similar revolution started in Ukraine against his personal stooge there, he send his soldiers to end it, but failed. \n\nAnd _then_ the real kicker came: [this here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkQUzeZbLEs).\n\nThis is when he went nuclear. This is when he started attacking the US directly. ",
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"content": "That’s interesting, I’m definitely going to research more about it tonight. ",
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"content": "Putin was surprised that the people who violently overthrew the pro Russian Ukrainian government voted against Russia?\n\nPutin is dumber than I thought.",
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"content": "> Are Dems liberal?\n\nYes.\n\n> If you are then stop defending Hillary. \n\nNo.\n\n>She sucks.\n\nNo.\n",
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"content": "When was the last time you saw a liberal refer to young black Men as super criminals or be married to a man who believes in the death penalty. \n\nLiberal beyond their years huh? Bet those Clintons would be the photo example in the dictionary of what a liberal Is? Not Ralph Nader, Jill Stein, Bernie (before), or others?",
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"content": ">When was the last time you saw a liberal refer to young black Men as super criminals \n\nWhen was the last time you posted flyers around a university calling black Democrats racial slurs for their choice in the primary? http://6abc.com/racist-flyers-found-around-temple-university-campus/2782082/\n\n>or be married to a man who believes in the death penalty.\n\nLiterally all the time. The Democratic Party is perfectly fine with multiple views on that subject.\n\n>Liberal beyond their years huh? Bet those Clintons would be the photo example in the dictionary of what a liberal Is? Not Ralph Nader, Jill Stein, Bernie (before), or others?\n\nJill Stein isn't a liberal... Are you trying to be funny?\n\n",
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"content": ">Oh I had no idea that all supporters of Bernie were racists?\n\nAnd I had no idea that Hillary was a racist?\n\n>You still didn't convince me or anyone that Hillary is a liberal.\n\nI really couldn't care less.\n\n>Yes, Jill is a liberal. \n\nNo, she's not. She's a fringe kook who facilitated a foreign government manipulating our elections.",
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"content": "why is this still a thing",
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"content": "well, yes this is 100% true. \n\nIts also true that they waged such a campaign because they knew that the GOP's agenda against Hillary since her days as FLOTUS was an unhealed wound that they could drive a spike deeper into and divide the country. \n\nI voted for HRC in the general, and was as shocked as anyone who voted blue when she lost, but the hindsight we have now, looking at all the narratives that the GOP pushed about her emails, and about Benghazi, and about her intimidating Bill Clintons harassment accusers (whether they were driven along party or sexist lines) it should be completely understandable at this point why Russian meddling had such an effect. \n\nTL;DR the article isn't wrong, but HRC was still a bad candidate because of the baggage she carried. Whether the baggage should have been hers or not is irrelevant because we all knew she would carry it into the race.\n\nEDIT: -4 points and no responses. If youre going to downvote, say why. otherwise, youre just as bad as the crazy ass people in T_D. ",
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"content": "The have access to healthcare. They just can’t afford it. As Bernie put it, I have access to a Ferrari, but I can’t afford it. ",
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"content": "Same thing. I have access to a private jet. ",
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"content": "Wrong.\nhttps://www.medicare.gov/people-like-me/disability/getting-medicare-disability.html#collapse-5776",
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"content": "You think Medicare helps mentally ill people?\n\nYou poor dear. ",
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"content": "I would in healthcare, literally every mentally ill person I have ever taken has had insurance",
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"content": "Cool story. \n\nStats say otherwise. \n\nLet’s see. Hmmm.. i wonder why...\n\n\nOh, that’s right. They saw you. So it makes sense they had insurance.\n",
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"content": "I work in emergency services, so most people call if they need us regardless. We take people without insurance too, but it does not happen often as that number is really low, 10.3% of all Americans if I remember correctly. ",
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"content": "Yeah yeah “most people”\n\nWow sounds like from you that we are all good then. You figured it out.\n",
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"content": "Obviously you didn't read the like I sent either as it show that if your mentally disabled you automatically get medicare",
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"content": "Medicare is shit in terms of taking care of the mentally ill is what I am saying. \n",
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"content": "What is your experience with this?",
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"content": "Why?",
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"content": "Just curious. You seem so sure that there is no care for mentally I'll people I'm wondering what experience or proof you have. ",
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"content": "Who said no care for mentally ill people?",
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"content": "You did... In your post \"Just so we're clear: people with pre-existing mental health conditions have access to FIREARMS but not healthcare\"",
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"content": "Yes, that’s not definitive that’s a generalization. \n\nJust like firearms don’t grow in trees like maple syrup, right?",
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"content": "1) you didn't answer the question you just tried to bring up a different point.\n\n2) if it is a generalization it is a poor one as the majority of mentally ill (or people in general) have access to healthcare.\n\n3)I have no idea what you are trying to say with the firearms and maple syrup thing",
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"content": "1) i don’t have to answer the question.\n\n2) that’s your opinion\n\n3) that’s your problem. It’s an analogy, as the reference to firearms in the meme is also a generalization. ",
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"content": "1) no you don't but by not answering the question or provideing data you invalidate your point.\n\n2) well as I provided data for my so called opinion it is way less of an opinion then your original post.\n\n3)I have not seen that meme",
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"content": "What data did you provide exactly?",
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"content": "The link at the beginning as well as the percentage of uninsured people here are the links https://www.medicare.gov/people-like-me/disability/getting-medicare-disability.html#collapse-5776\n\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/11/the-number-of-americans-without-health-insurance-rose-in-first-quarter-2017.html",
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"content": "Well my father has a severe physical disability (cerebral palsy) and has done a lot of work on capitol hill to improve the lives of anyone with a disability, and, yes, Medicare isn't enough or effective protection for those with mental disabilities. Firstly, care organizations are underpayed to the point of not allowing overtime so some people who need support don't get it. Not to mention that what support they are getting disappears at 21 and Republicans are trying to maim it further as we speak. So yes, he was correct. ",
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"content": "Yeah, no:\n\n- http://www.medicaid.alabama.gov/content/3.0_Apply/3.2_Qualifying/3.2.5_Medicaid_EandD.aspx",
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"content": "Why do people like you think it's strange to react emotionally to children being mass murdered",
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"content": "Because people like /u/SoupToPots don't really care very much. So they don't understand that, to most people, sneering at people reacting strongly to a bunch of children being butchered just makes them look horrible.",
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"content": "League players....",
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"content": "Every republican gets to stand up and be counted. Either tell the Alex Jones people that they’re gullible frauds or agree with them. Ie, lose your primary or lose the general. No other choices. ",
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"content": "Blatant troll is blatant. ",
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"content": "I think they were one of the ultra-left Russian trolls.",
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"content": "We seem to be getting a lot of those here and /r/hillaryclinton lately.",
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"content": "I agree with what the article had to say, it's a shitty tactic, but then again as portrayed by the media in general, the repuglicants are to blame for any mass shooting altogether.",
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"content": "“But”\n\nCan’t have it both ways. Is it condemnable, or are you condoning it?",
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"content": "It would be cool if condemning it actually lead to meaningful actions towards making sensible gun laws. But has that ever really happened?",
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"content": "So condemning the holocaust has no value? Or are you just refusing to answer the question?",
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"content": "We're talking mass shootings. ",
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"content": "Agreed. It seems there's a selective focus. How much change have we had in gun control since Sandy Hook or VA Tech? ",
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"content": "I ended up in a T_D thread that was cross posted to /r/againsthatesubreddits where they were bashing the kids that went on CNN. I was truly physically disgusted. ",
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"content": "It’s our go move at the moment. The play has been well defined and distributed to the different groups. T_d is just one, there’s plenty others. Any voice that stands out from the usual noise = attack, undermine, dig up past regressions, spin the message, keep it constantly, but slowly changing so that there’s no single reliable response. It’s called a “distraction play” and it’s working OK at the moment, could be better though.",
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"content": "You guys are getting trolled by Russians *again*.",
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"content": "Dinesh D'Souza isn't Russian\n\n[Benjamin Kelly, aide to Rep. Shawn Harrison (R-Tampa) isn't Russian](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/20/a-lawmakers-aide-called-school-shooting-survivors-actors-within-hours-he-was-fired/?utm_term=.ed5bdb66987a)",
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"content": "> Dinesh D'Souza\n\nIs Dinesh D'Souza still a thing? I remember his debate with Hitchens where Hitchens hitch-slapped him for 2 hours. This man has no credibility. Why would anyone take him serious?",
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"content": "You'd think, but walk into r/news and suddenly shitposters are all \"go read The Big Lie, Dems are the real Nazis.\"",
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"content": "Florida 2018 Election \n\n[Primary Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): July 30, 2018 \n\n[Primary Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): August 28, 2018 \n\n[General Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): October 9, 2018 \n\n[General Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): November 6, 2018 \n\n",
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"content": "Cool now make sure you post this in forums other than this one. ",
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"content": "I find it distasteful to use children as political props. Right wingers do it with little 12 year old girls giving speeches about abortion and tax cuts, and now left wingers have just thrown out any semblance of integrity with this gun control example.\n\nI'll take your fucking downvotes all day long. You all are sick to use children for political gains.",
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"content": "I see your point and agree to a point.\n\nBut these are high schoolers that survived a mass shooting talking about their experience and the democrats seem to be the ones listening. I think they are entitled to their first amendment rights. They are not being used, they are begging to be heard.",
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"content": "I understand why this seems like a logical conclusion to the current situation, however I would like to ask, does an earthquake survivor make them an expert on earthquakes? Short answer is no. And the same principle applies with these young students. \n\nAnd the reason why Democrats seem to be the ones listing, is because it supports their political agenda to ban guns. They know that politically speaking, being in favor of gun control/bans is not a very popular stance and in most cases (there are exceptions) you will have a hard time winning seats. And they also that past attempts to sell general public on have not been successful when you look back at other mass shootings such as Sandy's hook, and the gay bar (the name escapes me). After those events followed cries for gun reform and gun control but to my knowledge, nothing really changed. Well anyone who seeks these gun changes saw the opportunity to try and use children as a political club to beat anyone who doesn't agree with them or does not want gun reform.\n\nAnd to finish with their first amendment rights, I'm fine with them expressing their opinions. I have no ill. It's the way they are being presenting that I have issues with. Watch any major news source and you can tell that it’s more than letting them exercise their rights.",
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"content": "> however I would like to ask, does an earthquake survivor make them an expert on earthquakes? Short answer is no.\n\nLong answer is that earthquakes are unavoidable forces of nature. If we could do something to prevent earthquakes, we would.",
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"content": "We could limit hydrofracking and backfilling fault lines with saline. That would prevent earthquakes.\n\nI'm fine with the kids talking about their experiences as victims, but I'm just trying to help because preventing earthquakes may not the best argument. ",
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"content": "Okay, I’ll redact my analogy. The point I wanted to make is that just because an individual has gone through something terrible, does not make them more right or more wrong. It’s the whole idea of people trodding out victims and saying “listen to what they’re saying because they have experienced X, and so they must be right” and I strongly disagree with that logic. \n\nOn a side note, I’m noticing the downvotes.. I want to take the chance to clearly state that I’m not trying to invite violence, write trolly comments, or issue threats. I just want to debate and have intellectual conversation while exchanging ideas.",
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"content": "I think your eagerness to dismiss the victims highlights exactly why we want to hear from them.\n\nTwo reasons, actually.\n\n1. THIS IS 100% REAL! - I can't emphasize this enough. We've become so desensitized to children being murdered and nothing happening that fictional mass murders (like The Red Wedding in Game of Thrones) is actually mourned and discussed moreso than real mass murders.\n\n2. THIS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IF WE DON'T ACT - Every time it happens, it's dismissed as another \"Oh well, nothing you can do about it now\" as if we didn't know that this was going to happen again when we absolutely did know.",
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"content": "If you are suggesting that I do not sympathize with these students, you couldn't be further from the truth. I can not imagine what it would be like to experience the fear and terror that occurs when your classmates are being slaughtered. And I agree with you. This is real and we have become desensitized and that it will happen again if something is not done. you are 100% right on both of these things and I could not agree more.\n\nMy issue is that just because they have lived through a school shooting, does not make them knowledgeable on gun reform or how to prevent the next school shooting. And the fact that the media is using children to promote an agenda is distasteful.\n",
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"content": "> My issue is that just because they have lived through a school shooting, does not make them knowledgeable on gun reform or how to prevent the next school shooting.\n\nWho does?\n\nI know that trying to discuss the matter with those calling them \"false flags\" and attacking the children doesn't help. Go on T_D and you'll find that they have yet to accept that this is even real.\n\n>And the fact that the media is using children to promote an agenda is distasteful.\n\nIs there any evidence that the victims are either being forced or that the children are not trying to use the media to make their voice heard?\n\nThe only agenda I see is from those claiming that the victims are being exploited by some nefarious homogeneous entity called \"the media\". Every single victim that has spoken out seems not only willing, but eager, to make their voice heard.\n\nYou need to take break from any propaganda that seems to have you convinced that \"the media\" is a giant Soros-controlled space monster. ",
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"content": "> however I would like to ask, does an earthquake survivor make them an expert on earthquakes? Short answer is no. And the same principle applies with these young students.\n\nThese kids aren't trying to be experts - all they are doing is saying there is a problem and they are asking the 'experts' to try and solve it instead of ignoring it like history shows. They have not put forward a bill outlining what should be done, they are saying something needs to be done. And they are asking the experts to do it.\n\n\n> Democrats seem to be the ones listing, is because it supports their political agenda to ban guns\n\nI disagree, I feel Democrats want to ban guns for the same reason these kids do. Sure its an ideology, but i don't think its an political agenda. If they were looking to gain anything politically then they would be taking donations from the NRA and pushing to keep the same laws. Guns are available to an excess without the proper checks which is obviously causing unnecessary social issues and repeated tragedy. So people that are for gun control are purely having an opinion on the situation. Not everything has to be for political advantage. \n\n> After those events followed cries for gun reform and gun control but to my knowledge, nothing really changed. Well anyone who seeks these gun changes saw the opportunity to try and use children as a political club to beat anyone who doesn't agree with them or does not want gun reform.\n\nIsn't possible taht maybe these kids are sick of it. That they aren't being used as pawns.\nI protested against my country entering the iraqi war with the US and UK in my small regional town when I was 12. I also attended one against a proposed coal mine and against Manus Island. Some people, kids or not are just wired to fight for what they believe in - especially if it has caused devastation and tragedy to them directly. In the age of inforamtion these kids are exposed to so much more information that they are a new breed of children. We can't hope to understand them without listening to them and so far all I see is a bunch of kids waiting to be heard. ",
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"content": "Yeah those kids are too young to understand they don't want to be shot and killed in a public school. Only at 25 are they mature enough to not want to be shot and killed at a graduate school or shot and killed at a workplace.",
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"content": "What part of them choosing to be outspoken about something they believe in is using them? These aren't 8 year olds reading a speech mommy wrote for them, these are 15-18 year olds (most of which fall into the latter part of the spectrum), people that either can already vote or will soon be able to. \n\nPeople like you are using a strawman to disregard these peoples' opinions. These people have been through a tragedy personally and should have their opinions on it be heard. We don't disregard a soldier's opinion on the war, why should we disregard a shooting victim's opinion on gun control?",
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"content": "Well you see the media is paying attention to them, so it’s clearly a liberal plot. /s",
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"content": "> You all are sick to use children for political gains.\n\nIf you bothered to read literally any article about what is going on, you might catch the clue that the kids are organizing *themselves*.",
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"content": "Democrats may have provided the podium and the microphone, sure gun control is one of their agendas but the grief and anger that these kids expressed and their desire to prevent this is all their own. ",
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"content": "This sucks. Everything about this sucks. These teenagers are a good example of why cynicism isn't an option here though. ",
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"content": "Do you not think the kids demanding face time with politicians might just be the fact they’re fed up with this and people aren’t exploiting them? Are they exploiting themselves?",
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"content": "What is *sliming*?\n\nWhat is the right wing doing? [Did they cover someone with slime?](https://imgur.com/a/wEhld)\n\nEdit: I'm actually asking.\n\n- slam-ming?\n- slime-ing?\n- slim-ing?\n\nDid somebody actually throw slime at one of these speakers? Like CEOs who get a whipped cream pie in the face?",
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"content": "Sliming would be a slang term for something like \"coating\" someone with bad information. Slime coats (sticks to) things it touches, very much like false information can coat (stick to) people. ",
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"content": "Just you watch. US conservatives will have no trouble ignoring this. A majority of them won't even notice in the first place.",
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"content": "Republican theory on gun control is along the logic of “people are going to just break laws, so why have them?” Funny, I don’t see them feeling this way about immigration. \nThe fact that the Republican Party is a political extension of the NRA is insane. ",
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"content": "The whacky thing about that argument is that it's not an argument against gun control, when you think about it: it's an argument against laws in general. \"People are going to do it anyway, so why outlaw it?\" could apply just as easily to murder, robbery, rape, assault, and any other number of disturbing acts.",
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"content": "Yup. Could be applied to immigration and even abortion. “Why make abortions illegal when some women will find a way anyway?” They certainly don’t feel this way on these issues. \n\nThen they make the other insane argument that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people....”I’m dumbfounded when I read this one. \n\nI heard another one which went “when a drunk driver kills someone we blame the driver, when a bomber kills people, we blame the bomber, when a shooter kills somebody we blame the gun.”\n\nLet’s break that down. The issue is gun advocates try to play up the fact that a gun is simply an inanimate tool, like the automobile or a stapler or anything else, ignoring the fact that it’s a weapon. A very efficient weapon. Can a car be used as a weapon? Sure, but so could a coffee mug but the primary design intention of both of these isn’t that of a weapon and this is where they differ from guns. \n\nAs far as the bombing issue. America doesn’t have a “bombing problem”. Unless it’s specific acts of terrorism which are much more rare than a shooting in the US. People aren’t legally arming themselves with bombs to protect their family and property. Kids aren’t buying legally produced bombs to commit crimes. \n\nSo when gun advocates use these arguments. They are totally ridiculous. ",
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"content": "Everything I could imagine was wrong with President Trumps recent statement on gun control in relation to protecting children in schools. Especially after such heart wrenching speeches from the victims of such a tragedy.\n\n***My immediate thoughts at arming teachers with guns were...***\n\nIf I have a teacher who has a gun in their desk **I would fear them**. Though I might feel safer initially until I had a falling out with them as it would be always be a dynamic in our relationship. \n\nThe person charged with inspiring me...would be someone I would fear on a much deeper level than getting an #F. Everytime they sat at their desk it be in my mind...the loaded gun possibly in their desk....not the books on mine.\n\n**Fear. More fear in schools already besieged by fear.**\n\nAny gun in school has circumvented security and is now in the 'what if' risk zone, as there are no safe guns.\n\n* What happens if the teacher forgets to lock the gun box / desk cabinet or the lock fails?\n\n* Or the kids break in to the gun storage for a gag or out of malice. A loaded guns already in schools waiting to be fired by anyone.\n\n* What happens if the gun is stolen or lost on site ? (That really happens in all gun zones at times).\n\n* What if the teacher has a breakdown (as they do). They are armed and ready to kill themselves or their colleagues or the children.\n\n* What if the teacher drops the gun in a fight with an intruder?...the gunman has 1 more gun or a student has a loaded gun becoming a target or worse a an accidental shooter due to lack of training.\n\n* Maybe the teacher is drinking, confused , disgruntled or mistaken and pulls a loaded gun on an innocent person?\n\n* What happens if the teacher misses the intruder and hits a student or another teacher or parent?\n\n* What if intruders bring more guns in escalation to the guns on site and the hallways become shootouts. Or the teachers or their families are targeted in advance.\n\n* Maybe the teacher uses the fear of having a gun to coherse students for sexual favors? (Has happens for grades so why not guns).\n\n* What happens if the teacher who has known / taught the child for maybe ten years hesitates or that known hesitation is used against them by the child killer ?\n\n* What if intentional death by (cop) teacher becomes a thing? Students and others seeking a quick death by a jumpy inexperienced teacher.\n\n*Yes 'ifs and maybes' though all possible and all too likely in a future where our educators are gun toting police soldiers.*\n\n**Every bad idea** in Trumps head (or put in there by his collegues or Fox News) combined to make his suggestion on arming teachers a dangerous and ignorant statement in my opinion. 'Violence begets violence' and more guns is not a civil solution but it does demostrate a total failure to appreciate the intricacies of the situation (and maybe a lack of care for his countries children).\n\nSurely the most conflicting part of President Trumps suggestion is not that he previously (2016 Twitter) publically stated he didn't want guns in school. Or that he is not a gun user who has young child in school himself but that he claims the blame lies with mental health. At the same time he is seen arguing that the children who are killers are 'cowards who would fear a gun zone'. The latter implies these 'insane children' are rational enough to fear that risk. Which is ofcourse rarely true if they are mentally incapacitated to the point that they are willing to kill their friends and teachers...and themselves. They are unlikely to be afraid of being shot. \n\n**You can't have it both ways President Trump.**\n\nTimes magazine recently ran an article about teachers views on this. A former Marine Corps captain turned teacher was interviewed and her comment on President Trumps suggestion was, \n\n***“It’s an insane idea. To anyone who’s ever taught before, it’s just ludicrous,”.***\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/21/donald-trump-solution-to-school-shootings-arm-teachers-with-guns\n\nhttp://time.com/5167305/florida-shooting-teachers-gun-control-activism/",
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"content": "Agree. The idea of arming teachers in crazy. \nDo we have a public school or a public prison?\nMight as well change the title “Principle” to “Warden”. ",
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"content": "*\"Legitimate disagreement over policy issues is one thing. Lies, conspiracy theories and insults are quite another.\"*",
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"content": "I just found the CBTS sub and THOSE are some crazy mthrfkrz.. They think they are all actors, and even posted that they used the same parents in Sandy hook and in florida.. it really makes me sad to see so many dumbasses unite :-(",
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"content": "Republican Party is the crazy train. Absolutely nuts. ",
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"content": "Honestly the GOP are shitty story tellers if all they can think of (again) is these children are actors. It’s fucking pathetic almost every time a god damn school gets shot up that’s all they can think of, but I guess if it ain’t broke don’t fix it the morons who believed that stuff then are still gonna gobble it right up",
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"content": "Assault Rifles have saved more women\nand children than abortion",
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"content": "The people who teach men women and children how to responsibly use guns are the bad guys?\n\nAlso they’ve never had a member commit a mass shooting so I don’t see how thisIs there fault\n\nAlso every NRA member I know would have run in the school to protect those children unlike the Broward County police",
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"content": "I have to say, I really enjoy watching the right melt down anytime people protest. They sure do hate when people exercise their constitutional rights, except when they're the ones doing it, of course. ",
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"content": "And they assume all protesting is astroturfed. Because the Tea Party was. ",
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"content": "Of course we don’t. We’d much rather you say on social media and complained. That’s why we put out so much stuff in the media designed specifically to outrage.",
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"content": "Yawn\n",
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"content": "My thoughts exactly. ",
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"content": "Don’t boo, vote. ",
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"content": "Boo *and* vote.",
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"content": "Then your voting is too loud",
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"content": "Good. ",
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"content": "I don't understand",
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"content": "Just think of grumpy cat. ",
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"content": "I have no idea how grumpy cat and voting loudly relate in the slightest",
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"content": "I assumed you were joking so I responded in kind. If you were serious your comment might have been the dumbest, most intentionally obtuse thing I've ever read. ",
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"content": "Well of course it was jokingly at first, but it turned into curiosity, as I still don't quite understand the theory of booing and voting. I was wondering if you could explain.",
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"content": "Make your voice heard",
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"content": "Rando: Tell me what democracy looks like! \n\nCrowd: This is what democracy looks like!",
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"content": "Sorry, but after twenty years, this is all starting to feel pretty hollow. Good for them, but none of this matters as long as the NRA is funneling money into politics. And the only way to get rid of NRA influence is to get rid of all money in government. There’s this fallacy that we can just surgically excise the entity we don’t like while preserving the system that encourages contributions from other influential entities. If we REALLY cared, we’d elevate voices that not only challenge certain influences, but who attack the system that allows these influences to exercise power in the first place. But of course, we don’t, because we also value money above ALL else. In that way, we’re pretty shamefully complicit. ",
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"content": "Yeah, after 100+ years of racism and slavery, MLK, Jr and the civil rights movement really felt hollow. So did all those women’s suffrage folks. ",
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"content": "Capitalism forces us to be this way, or at least makes it very hard to be otherwise.\n\nPeople can still create change however, and indeed we should try. ",
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"content": "There’s literally no reason we can’t just stop campaign contributions from corporations or special interest groups. Government shouldn’t have to abide by the same rules as a free market economy. It’s possible to have a system in which everything isn’t openly for sale. Unfortunately, it’s not in the best interest of anyone in a position to push for those changes to do so. ",
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"content": "> Not in the interest...\n\nThats what I mean. Any system could be perfect with perfect people, but because capitalism ultimately incentivizes self-interest, we will always have this problem at our heels with democracy. We can improve it, and we should, but we should understand the root cause of why people, both those in power and the masses, have come to favor themselves above all else. ",
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"content": "More people than that enjoy watching Kim K's life. It's not hard to find masses of stupid people. ",
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"content": "Are you their line leader?",
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"content": "You should have taken a little more time on this one. I'm making fun of it so why would I be their line leader? ",
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"content": "This is what democracy looks like if legislators listened and took action requested by the protesters. Now we know they didn't and won't. Instead, they voted NOT to DISCUSS guns and, instead, voted to declare that pornography can lead to mental and physical illnesses. ",
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"content": "Seems quite reasonable to me.",
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"content": "Thanks",
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"content": "I would have ended with:\n\ntl;dr: fuck off\n\nBut I'm nowhere near as nice as you :-D",
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"content": "Yeah... trying not to stoop down to their level if ya know what I'm saying.",
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"content": "I’m of the mindset “when they go low, kick em. They are easier to reach with your foot.”",
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"content": "There is No way they actually read that",
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"content": "I agree, in the second amendment, it says that guns are needed to maintain a well-regulated militia. I don't believe that having guns nowadays will protect you from the government - all it is doing is making people more of a threat. I also disagree with your point on how pistols can do the same job as a semi or full auto gun. With pistols you have to reload, which takes time, semi autos and full autos can mow down a crowd in a matter of seconds. If everyone had bolt action rifles we would be a lot safer and mass shooting would be less likely because of the reload time. I completely agree, however, with your points on how our government doesn't do a good enough job of regulating who should and shouldn't have guns.",
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"content": "Yeah that’s the hard part about it, the NRA is so strong and has so much money, that we can’t really do anything without support of someone like the president (which isn’t happening any time soon.) You are totally right on the full auto part, I was thinking of bumpstocks 🙄.",
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"content": "You will never convince a republican to lay down their arms. The reason is that they are simply wired differently, and have fervent belief, and put faith over logic. \n\nThe only solution is to let red states secede from the union without fear of physical retribution like troops marching over borders and such. Democrats should push for allowing any state that wishes to secede be able to do so. No war, simply apply for secession with a 75% majority vote, and then secede. The seceding state stops paying taxes, stops getting federal assistance, they get their own passports and can make their own laws. \n\nThey are even allowed to rejoin the union in 25 years.\n\nAt this point, red states secede, republicans lose power, and sober politicians can do what they need to do. The red states go bankrupt, and are left with the consequences of banana republicans at the helm.",
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"content": "You should be presenting facts and understanding what you're talking about... you don't actually say anything indisputable here. And a lot of what you're saying is either incorrect or based on assumptions (that are also incorrect). This is by and large idiotic. ",
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"content": "What exactly do I say that is wrong? I’ve written multiple things on this and can probably list sources for what you think is wrong.",
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"content": "Was this argument with me or someone else? Because we sure as hell know each other. ",
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"content": "no, this was someone who was pming me on r/guns lol. I was getting hella downvoted so I asked to converse via pm. Besides, I'm too lazy to write out that whole thing, I just copied and pasted it from my dms. Also, the mods changed my post title lol.",
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"content": "If there’s anyone who knows about smears...\n\nIn the end though Mrs. Clinton, I think you know more than most, sometimes the smears win. \n\nHere’s to hoping that time is over. ",
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"content": "It sadly isn't over, and her support will only get them more smears. It is a sad time for America.",
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"content": "I’m glad she’s a fan of these kids as much as I am.",
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"content": "https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966662241977360384",
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"content": "Good on him, but I doubt Congress goes for any of that",
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"content": "So he blames congress. How nice. ",
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"content": "In fairness, he has limited options for what he could do unilaterally. He can lead the conversation and voice what he would support, as he just did (whether or not he follows through with it when if and when it comes to his desk is another question entirely). The solution really should start with Congress because 2A needs updating.",
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"content": "Do you follow /r/trumpcriticizestrump ?",
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"content": "Wait, that paper thing was real? I’ve seen it while scrolling through my front page, but assumed... he actually had that shit written down?",
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"content": "That's what I've been trying to figure out. I've seen people mocking it, but I haven't seen any actual images, just hearsay.",
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"content": "https://www.yahoo.com/news/listening-session-school-shootings-trump-urges-giving-teachers-guns-235554901.html\nshows a picture of it. ",
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"content": "> “If you had a teacher with, who was adept at firearms, they could very well end the attack very quickly,” President Trump said. “And the good thing about a suggestion like that, and we’re going to be looking at it very strongly, I think a lot of people are going to be opposed to it, I think a lot of people are going to like it. But the good thing is you’ll have a lot of people with that.”\n\nWhat nonsense. First, he starts with the thought that the solution is *more guns*, which we've heard before. It's a facile argument that unravels with even a moment's thought. Then comes the ultimate in huckster bullshit: \n> And the good thing about a suggestion like that ...\n\nYes, tell me the good thing.\n\n> and we’re going to be looking at it very strongly ...\n\nOK, sure.\n\n> I think a lot of people are going to be opposed to it ...\n\nYeah, because it's fucking stupid.\n\n> I think a lot of people are going to like it.\n\nSo ... you're saying that opinion will be mixed.\n\n> But the good thing is you’ll have a lot of people with that.\n\nIs that even a complete sentence? What happened to the \"good thing\" you promised to tell me about this suggestion?\n\nIt's typical Trump: Make shit up off the top of your head when you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, and try to run out the clock on your listeners' patience or ability to parse the word salad you're tossing. It's infuriating. And there's apparently no issue sufficiently serious to warrant enough of Trump's concern to conjure up a single coherent thought.",
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"content": "Sincerity is key. If you can fake that, you've succeeded.\n\nTeachers are not armed guards. People want to live in a civilized country, where a citizen doesn't have to rely on his blazing guns to survive another day.",
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"content": "He both incited the shooter with his bigoted, totalitarian rhetoric, and physically enabled him through policy.\n\nHe's an accomplice, and doesn't feel an ounce of remorse.\n\nTrump and the GOP are evil incarnate. They have no country, and no soul.",
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"content": "For the most part I hear ya. And I don't like the mental illness vein either. \n\nThe country is in a tailspin, not helped by our current CEO. See how the movements for not smoking, drinking and driving, etc, have helped? That's the sort of thing that needs to happen. Bullshit from either side is not needed.",
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"content": "> The body count may have been halfed by the ladder.\n\nExactly. Banning weapons that make killing large amounts of people easy would reduce the lethality of a shooting like this. \n\n“It wouldn’t have prevented the attack, but it would have made it less lethal.”\n\n-Marco Rubio, A+ NRA rating.",
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"content": "If you think you can kill as many people with a handgun as an AR-15 you’ve either A) never fired them or B) are intentionally self-deluded. I’ve fired both, many times. I would take the AR-15 over any handgun I’ve ever fired in any situation. Aiming is easier. Recoil is almost 0. Muzzle velocity is far superior. Reloading is practically unnecessary. How in the world do you think you can be as proficient at killing with a greatly inferior weapon? A shot gun? A shot gun is a terrible mass-shooting weapon. You’re out of your mind. A knife? A knife wouldn’t cause anywhere near this kind of carnage. Ever hear about a knife attack on the national news? No. Why? Cause you can’t kill enough people to make it on the national news if all you have is a knife. Assault Weapons are what make these high casualty events possible and they need to go. ",
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"content": "Doesn't matter. None of this actually happened because Obama took our guns remember? Feller.",
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"content": "Pretty much. He dgaf ",
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"content": "Trump and the NRA won last night because today everyone is focused on chopping down his terrible idea for adding guns in schools, and not what we were focused on yesterday, which is banning sales of automatic rifles. Bait and switch. ",
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"content": "My opinion depends on whether I, as a teacher, will be getting the same benefits as a soldier, if I'm going to be trained and equipped like one in my classroom.",
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"content": "You are gonna have to pay for it but you might get a tax deduction. Maybe get a tax credit. I don't understand it. I'm from a family of teachers. They get the short end of the stick but are one of the most important occupations. That's why I went into nursing. I'm not working those crazy hours like my dad and get paid jack crap.",
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"content": "\"I hear you. Now stop talking.\"\n\n-DJ POTUS",
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"content": "Florida 2018 Election \n\n[Primary Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): July 30, 2018 \n\n[Primary Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): August 28, 2018 \n\n[General Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): October 9, 2018 \n\n[General Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): November 6, 2018 \n\n",
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"content": "POS",
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"content": "Please research the correlation between psychiatric drugs and violence. ",
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"content": "I... uh....\n\n*glances down*\n\nhear you.\n\n",
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"content": "Truly terrifying.",
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"content": "So, cheating.",
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"content": "Voter caging, voter suppression, gerrymandering, - Repubs haven't been able to win a fair fight for a while. ",
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"content": "If you cant' win with the power of your ideas... go to plan b",
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"content": "Republicans have plans for not losing ANY election. Period: \nGerrymandering \nVoter ID \nInconvenient voting times in Democratic districts \nInconvenient, fewer, and hard to find voting locations in Democratic districts. \nPoor and antiquated voting machines in Democratic areas. \nUnrelenting character assassinations, lies, and half-truths (i.e. Fake News) about Democrats said loud and often thus depressing potential Democratic voters. (Exhibit A - Lies about Hillary Clinton) \nSpreading false information about voting to potential Democratic voters...thus depressing potential Democratic voters. \n",
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"content": "Yes. Great list.",
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"content": "So democrats are saints? Lmaooo. They are dividing us and we are fallin for it man. ",
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"content": "Notice how you created a strawman since you can’t defend your shit party ",
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"content": "Both parties suck is my point, the furthest left/right is what is the problem. ",
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"content": "No one here mentioned furtherest right or left. \n\nYou asserted someone said Democrats were saints. No one here said that either. \n\nWe did say Republicans are far worse. Stop trying to excuse it all away. ",
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"content": "I said they aren’t saints either. Implying republican or democrat, all parties have their vile politicians. To say republicans are worse is an opinion, I feel as if democrats will lead more towards a globalist view which is what will end up fucking up the whole world when 25 people rule the world. \n\nDemocrats right now would compromise the country just to get trump out. That is a national security issue tbh ",
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"content": "None of that is happening and no one said Dems are saints. ",
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"content": "The fbi could have prevented the shooting last week easily. But they are too busy trying to find some Russian trolls... that sounds like a national security issue to me. But you won’t agree with me no matter what. So I could really care less. I’m just putting out the fact that that’s an issue and no one seems to care. ",
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"content": "False dichotomy since it's not an either/or. Classic wingnut deflection.",
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"content": "Lol this damn country ",
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"content": "You think the FBI only has three agents so they can only investigate one thing at a time?\n\nThe shooter had broke no law at the time. \n\nYou guys will say anything to follow your master. ",
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"content": "It’s a whole agency lol. I’m just thinking rational really ",
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"content": "It’s not rational to assert an entire agency of thousands is all focused on the President’s treason. \n\nIt’s probably just 100 or so agents and prosecutors. ",
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"content": "Besides Bernie being as wrong as can be for the second time in the last couple of weeks, I guess he has decided not to run for president after all unless he doesn't have the sense not to shit where you eat.",
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"content": "Welcome to the microscope, Senator. ",
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"content": "The article doesn't really match the headline. ",
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"content": "> “Well, ha 'Supporting my campaign?' No,\" Sanders said. \"They were attacking Hillary Clinton's campaign using my supporters against Hillary Clinton.\"\n> \n> “The real question to be asked is what was the Clinton campaign [doing about Russian interference]? They had more information about this than we did,” Sanders said.",
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"content": "It's interesting how, in spite of having one of the most amicable primaries I've ever seen, and in spite of the fact that Sanders, and all of his REAL supporters supported Clinton in the election, there seems to be a persistent effort by some to deepen Hillary supporter hatred for Bernie and Bernie supporter hatred for Hillary. It's almost as if someone would really like to divide the left. I can't imagine why. Both Hillary and Bernie would have made amazing presidents. ",
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"content": "So Bernie Sanders really didn't say this and it is fake news? Is that what you are claiming here? Next you are going to tell me that it's not true that he first got elected to Congress thanks to massive support from the NRA which he repaid in kind by voting against every gun safety bill until he decided to run for president.",
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"content": "No. I am saying there is \"a persistent effort by some to deepen Hillary supporter hatred for Bernie and Bernie supporter hatred for Hillary.\" But also it's clear from actually reading the article that Sanders is saying that Russia wasn't trying to help him elected, they were just trying to use his supporters to attack Clinton. Also, see those brackets in the quote: “The real question to be asked is what was the Clinton campaign [doing about Russian interference]? They had more information about this than we did,” That means they are paraphrasing whatever he ACTUALLY said. So the headline is a misinterpretation of what he said, and a summary of something kinda like what he said. It's not fake news, it's just a shitty headline and an intentionally divisive article.",
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"content": "Why is it that only articles critical of Sanders are considered divisive? Where were the calls to stop replaying the primaries when Clinton hate was at a all time high?",
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"content": "I did not say only articles critical of Sanders are divisive. I said there is: *\"a persistent effort by some to deepen Hillary supporter hatred for Bernie and Bernie supporter hatred for Hillary.\"* and I said *this* article is divisive. I have made the same comments on anti-Clinton posts. The minute the primaries were over I was all in for Clinton. I voted for him in the primary and her in the election and I am proud of both. I agree with you that most of the efforts are trying to drive Sanders supporters to hate Clinton, and by extension the democratic party.",
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"content": "Those comments were few and far between. Calling for unity is great, but lets not use it as an excuse to ignore this part of the Russia investigation. ",
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"content": "Let's look at this persistent effort:\n\nIn the last month, besides he and De Blasio and he might run, three articles all on variations of this subject.\n\nFor the last year, out of the top 100 articles, 12 do that, 2 of which are variations on this subject. The rest are either positive or generic news. TIL 12% is persistent. I know, it feels like it.\n\n",
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"content": "You noticed that too eh?\n\nI'm going to add these people to the trumpers block list. ",
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"content": "i think that's probably for the best. When you can't argue facts, safe spaces can be good.",
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"content": "There’s way too much dog-whistling in this sub of late.\n\nI don’t think I ever see anti-Clinton articles, and I rarely see anti-Clinton comments. But I see more anti-Sanders stuff all the time. And it’s usually the same people over and over again.\n\nFor fuck’s same, the facts of the article are essentially (paraphrased):\n\n- Sanders said that the Russians’ goal wasn’t about propping up Sanders, but about destroying Clinton. (**TRUE**)\n- Sanders said that what the Russians did was horrible. (**TRUE**)\n- After being asked why he didn’t do anything about Russian bots promoting him during the Primary, he said: (1) that he didn’t know about it at the time, and (2) that the Clinton campaign knew more about Russian interference at the time than his own campaign. (**PROBABLY TRUE**)\n\nYeah, He worded that last one badly. It came across like he was saying “Why didn’t I do anything? The real question is why didn’t the Clinton campaign do anything?” But, he did later clarify his response in a separately released written statement to avoid any confusion.\n\nBut, of course, the headline has to imply that Sanders has allied himself with Trump, that he blames Clinton for Russia’s meddling, and that he denies that he was helped by Russia. Completely (and I suspect intentionally) promoting the worst possible interpretation of what Sanders said.\n\nThis is all clearly dog-whistling. This post was a very basic attempt to try to attack Sanders by cherry picking statements and intentionally misinterpreting them.\n\nIt’s shameful. It’s bad enough we have crazy Sanders-supporters trying to insist that there was no collusion with Russia. Now we have crazy Clinton-supporters going out of their way to imply that Sanders was colluding.\n\nThis sort of baited and intentionally misleading headline belongs on ESS not /r/Democrats. This is the sort of conspiracy-theory-esque shit you see on WotB, just with the names flipped.",
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"content": "Clinton is our of the oven for good. Might as well talk about Dukakis. TIL mirrors = allies. Dictionary doesn't say that. Why are you reading things into what isn't there? You have an active, but paranoid, imagination.",
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"content": "No shit. It's called implication!\n\nThe headline was chosen to tie Sanders to Trump. If we were just reporting the facts here, there would be no reason to mention Trump at all.\n\nMost people skim through articles, and just read headlines. That headline was written in such a way that it is *technically* accurate, but the casual reader just flipping through reddit sees \"Sanders mirror Trump.\" The point of that headline was to link Sanders to Trump.\n\nIt's Marketing 101. It's obvious. And it's shameful.",
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"content": "Ah Eisenhower, the last good Republican President.",
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"content": "Agreed. \n\nBoth parties asked him to run. I believe the republicans did twice.",
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"content": "I thought essienhower (or however you spell his name sorry) was disliked. Of course he’s better then what we have now.\n\nThen again I don’t know a lot about past presidents all I know was that Eisenhower was in the whole banana republics thing",
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"content": "I am so looking forward to President Barack Obama’s book. I know his post-presidential book deal broke records but I haven’t heard any further word on a release date since the deal was announced last year. Either way, it’ll be a pre-order for me, no matter the cost. Must buy for sure. ",
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"content": "Obama for billionaire!",
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"content": "Yes, we can make it happen, as the sales will be off the charts. I plan on getting four copies: two for my house, plus one each for my parents. Now more than ever, his words and wisdom are poignant and comforting to hear. \nSince he left office, when disaster or tragedy strikes, I go to his twitter account for comfort and hope. 44 is still my president. ",
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"content": "Nothing better than a blind follower. He must be very happy to have so many of you. ",
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"content": "You mad, bro? Because I’m going to buy Obama’s books? If you don’t like Obama, what are you doing in this sub? Trying to sow the seed of discord like your comrade? \n\nYou can exit now, stage left, because I’m not here for your sorry act. \nWhy don’t you go and eat up the swill and vitriol that your dotard-in-chief spews every day. I am here for light and truth, neither of which you and your ilk qualify. \nGood riddance!",
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"content": "::yawn::",
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"content": "Yep, go ahead and yawn. When the words are too big for you and the stench of your unjustified hatred towards Obama chokes up your own nostrils, that’s what the likes of you do. You yawn, like an insolent child. \nPathetic! ",
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"content": "Because nothing ends argument the way you want like typing out yawn. Even if the emoji worked it would still be cringy.",
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"content": "Some Dems have guns dude",
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"content": "And?",
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"content": "So",
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"content": "In my small world, I don't know a single Dem gun owner that is a member of the NRA",
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"content": "Used to not be the case. But that was when the NRA was respectable and not mainly a far right lobbying machine. Fucking idiots.",
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"content": "I am a Liberal. I am a gun owner. I was a member of the NRA but left it when Wayne LaPierre took over. Fuck the NRA.",
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"content": "When was the last time we saw an \"erosion of 2nd amendment rights\" ?",
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"content": "Literally never. Quite the opposite in fact.",
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"content": "The automatic weapons ban comes to mind. Not to mention countless state and municipal regulations.",
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"content": "Where are Democratic voters and single-issue gun advocates an overlapping group?\n\nI mean, I live in Top 5 city with a strong, machine tradition, and I'm not entitled enough to presume that is the case elsewhere, but that would be news to me, as a pro gun liberal myself. ",
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"content": "Vermont and pretty much anywhere in the South.",
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"content": "And those people are voting Republican? I had no idea. You got any sauce? ",
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"content": "You can own a gun and not be in the NRA",
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"content": "The NRA was respectable for much of its history. Fucking idiots. At this point they deserve to dry up and blow away.",
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"content": "Yeah... like so many unions. It started out fucking fabulous then became a cesspool of self-interest and maximizing profit while forgetting why they started. =/",
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"content": "I'm a dem and I proudly own guns, fuck the NRA.",
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"content": "Same",
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"content": "Same. ",
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"content": "Well said, brother.",
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"content": "> Some Dems have guns dude\n\nWhich is why the NRA better rethink its Kremlin-assisted fantasies of imposing fascism in this country.",
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"content": "Sure. About 30% of Americans own guns. 1.5% of Americans are NRA members. So your point is...?",
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"content": "Thank you",
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"content": "I’m a Dem and had to use my gun in self defense. I’m also aware that the NRA is responsible for many preventable deaths.",
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"content": "How does this organization cause death? I get they lobby for gun rights but I don’t get how they cause death. We don’t blame cars for car crashes and we don’t blame food for fat people. Both of which cause death.",
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"content": "Well your analogy is a little irrelevant. The NRA is not run by guns, the NRA is run by people. Just like McDonald’s isn’t run by cheeseburgers and GM isn’t run by cars. Also, the automobile lobbyists aren’t paying lawmakers to restrict every safety measure proposed. If they did that, we wouldn’t have licenses, speed limits, seatbelts, airbags, insurance mandates, or any regulation of your car such as proper headlights or windshields. Countless lives could have been saved if the NRA didn’t pressure the controlling party into eliminating mental health regulations and prohibit expanding background checks/magazine capacities (among some other things not directly related to guns).",
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"content": "They also spent a lot of money protecting the rights of people buying guns that were on the no fly list, of all fucking things.",
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"content": "[Obvious agitprop is obvious.](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/russian-bots-are-using-2016-tactics-to-hijack-the-gun-debate-on-twitter)\n\nCheck OP's profile, it's got one comment from 2 years ago, 2 from this week, and they're spamming this on just about every liberal-leaning sub.\n\nFuck, you guys are going to lose this job...",
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"content": "There's a logo on the pic and a corresponding website...?",
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"content": "So then it's a marketing post from a dummy account?\n\nCool, I'll report it.\n\nEdit - [Probably bought it here LOL](https://www.playerup.com/accounts/redditaccount/)\n\nEdit 2- Nope, just shameless self-promotion in the wake of a tragedy. My mistake...",
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"content": "Color my a cynic, but profiteering and self promotion in the wake of a tragedy.\n\nWhether a concern troll that stole someone's work, or someone trying to make a buck off the blood of school kids, I think it's a scumbag move, in any case. ",
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"content": "This isn't a dummy account. This is my design.",
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"content": "Is it open source? ",
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"content": "Do you have a place where I can buy things with this design on them? Like stickers or a t-shirt? I have a dumb, right-leaning uncle I'd like to gift.",
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"content": "Looks like this worked out for you OP",
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"content": "Oh come on. First, there's no indication that this is a \"bought account\" - in fact there's indication to the contrary: bought accounts will often delete every post they've ever made (they're sold that way usually), and wind up with a high karma score without much posts. OP's karma score roughly matches their posts.\n\nSecond, just because his username is (maybe, apparently) his real name, that doesn't mean it's self-promotion. It's not like he's busy linking a blog or Instagram or Twitter or anything like that.\n\nWe need to be vigilant against trolls and Russians and redcaps. But I think OP is just a regular dude pissed off about fucking children being murdered. If I had some design chops I'd probably be making logos too.",
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"content": "Trolls and bots are just formalizing what marketers have done since the dawn of social media.\n\nUnless it's free use, it violates the TOS. That's why marketers go to such lengths to create believable fake accounts.\n\nThis guy was too cheap to do that.\n\nMy critique of it as a scumbag move either way, I believe stands because if the artist intends to profit from these in any way, that's trafficking in tragedy and a textbook scumbag move. ",
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"content": "> Unless it's free use, it violates the TOS. \n\nIt doesn't violate Reddit's TOS regardless.\n\n> I designed this to be shared. \n\n\\- OP",
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"content": "\n>It doesn't violate Reddit's TOS regardless.\n\n[Actually](https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion)...\n\n>It's perfectly fine to be a redditor with a website, it's not okay to be a website with a reddit account.\" - Confucius\n\n>reddit is a community, and these guidelines are based on both reddiquette and reddit's rules.\n\nIt's like Rule 1, bro. Dude is clearly not a part of the community.\n\nWhy are you talking out of your ass? What's your angle? ",
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"content": "Dude is just sharing an image to multiple subreddits. That is *not* spam. And he has not shared his website, if he even has one. Ever. He's posted to democrat subreddits (eg. /r/obama). \n\nI don't think OP is a shill. That's my angle. I've been around awhile. I know how to spot a shill. I'm not one, and OP isn't one either. \n\nBe vigilant in spotting trolls. Also, use your evidence hat and know when you're wasting your time.",
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"content": "Dude, 3 comments in over 2 years isn't an artist with a Reddit account to you?\n\nI guess the community can decide, but I'm getting a lot of hate for getting 2 out of 3 right.\n\nThis is a hivemind, though. It's not up to you or me. I rest my case. ",
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"content": "Some people don't comment much. That's fine. Not everybody has a lot to say. You could almost say it's a trope with artist types. But I'm not judging OP.\n\nIt's a good logo, which is (according to a few reverse image searches) an original work, and OP says in the title he's OK with sharing it anywhere. It doesn't have any attribution or anything in it like a few other artistic things he posted that weren't about children being murdered. So, not capitalizing on a tragedy (you're the one looking at his post history). For all we know, OP is a politically active artist. Signs point to it not being a \"bought\"/\"fake\" account. \n\nDid he specifically say \"this is Creative Commons Share-A-Like BSD LGPL Torvalds/FSF approved and even Theo de Raadt is totes OK with my license\"? No, but \"viral\" images and videos often don't. \n\nAnd you know what? Even if it's \"self promotion\", even if it's /r/HailDemocrats (sic) material, so what? Share the fuck out of this. The NRA supports killing children and needs to be shut down. \n\nPoint is: pick your battles wisely. This isn't a good one. Russian trolls are a problem, but OP isn't one. And he (probably) isn't trying to capitalize on a tragedy.",
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"content": ">Edit 2- Nope, just shameless self-promotion in the wake of a tragedy. My mistake...\n\n\"I made a false accusation against someone using art to make a legitimate point. Oopsie!\"\n",
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"content": ">It's perfectly fine to be a redditor with a website, it's not okay to be a website with a reddit account.\" - Confucius\n\n>reddit is a community, and these guidelines are based on both reddiquette and reddit's rules.\n\nI wasn't wrong about it violating the TOS or why it was a violation, so what, I'm supposed to apologize for batting .666?\n\nWhat are you even defending? Trafficking in tragedy? That's where you want to make your principled stand? \n\n",
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"content": "The gun looks horrible it distracts from the message.",
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"content": "I dunno man, you're the one sporting the name of a Presidential candidate that knowingly accepted Russian-bot support in his campaign...",
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"content": "Obvious personal attack is obvious.\n\n",
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"content": "Still wondering how you feel about it though. ",
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"content": "Please post this far and wide. \n\nYou might also post on Twitter (though I'm not familiar with their rules), since they've recently had a purge of Russian bots, so it will be a more favorable environment where you'll get more real and honest responses than before.",
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"content": "That would still be self-promotion though, right? It's not like he donated it to the cause or anything. ",
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"content": "I don't know how to feel about this. All the leftist subreddits basically spread liberal propaganda, but the same goes for the right. It's just filled with a bunch of emotional cunts, both of them. If you want to be brainwashed by either one of these go ahead. Just take everything you hear with a grain of salt, and indulge in pages with conflicting opinions to yours, maybe you could learn something :)",
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"content": "Pretty sure recent events have grounds to make people \"emotional\" ",
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"content": "That's not the point of that paragraph I wrote. The point is to not focus on information strictly relaying to your political view, but to digress.\nIf you focus on why you're right and they're wrong, you will never understand why they think they're right and you're wrong.\nWe want what's best for our country, try to find that common ground, as every black and white has it's grey.",
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"content": "He's just an [Anon](https://i.imgur.com/8SYZnt5.png) trying to hype things up. \n\nAlways check profiles, nowadays. ",
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"content": "What's an Anon lmao",
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"content": "I'll message you. I don't want to be a bully. ",
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"content": "It's short for anonymous, I would like to describe them as kind of like a troll but not actually a troll they're just someone trying to stir the pot",
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"content": "I see... this was not my intention, I apologize. There is enough if that going around, I guess I only contribute to the problem! I'll stop commenting on Reddit from now on, unless it's actually helpful lmao",
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"content": "Well I'm not entirely sure how to respond to this. I'm not sure what you're apologizing for I don't think you've done anything wrong, but I do very much appreciate that you're actually here trying to improve stuff instead of just doing as the other guy did and stir the pot. But please do continue to help, there are people out here who very much appreciate that you have a stronger voice than us",
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"content": "I thought you were referring to me as the Anon! Well while we're here, always learn from your mistakes, always reflect on yourself to see ways to improve, and never be clouded by ignorance. Emotion is best left out of politics, and in my case I seem to have let a bit slip out. Do me a favor and try to see both sides of every argument, as every black and white has it's grey",
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"content": "that's the most mild stirring of the pot I've ever seen.",
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"content": "Wait why did you post my history on imgur? ",
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"content": "Do you not know how image hosting works? ",
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"content": "I don't, kinda confused as to why my post history is relevant ",
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"content": "People lie, profiles don't. That's who you are, and no offense, but no one is looking to you in a crisis in real life, and I don't think I am going out on a limb to say that.",
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"content": "I think you are misinterpreting what I said haha ",
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"content": "You lobbied for considering stupid people's opinions because of emotional instability caused by third-person PTSD.\n\nDid I miss some other context? ",
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"content": " I was saying people have a right to be emotional about school shootings, in the wake of a school shooting. Not sure what your point is? ",
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"content": "I know, those indictments sure have kicked off a panic, huh? ",
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"content": "If you want it to be noticed, don’t put your name on it. You should just spray paint it as big as possible on a water tower in the middle of the night.",
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"content": "Post this far and wide and make it a meme.\n\nRussian right wing trolls have bombarded our social media with memes, time to level up ",
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"content": "I must have missed something. Is there some sort of tool or apparatus that is used to facilitate black on black crime that the NAACP is actively promoting and actively encouraging that no laws be passed to prevent it?",
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"content": "“one of seven”",
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"content": "Knew you’d come out of the woodwork, but really couldn’t they just let the Primaries happen without pissing people off?! The one woman they prefer is like anti Union and deeply corporate bound. Let the voters decide! ",
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"content": "I don’t come out of woodwork, I walk in and seduce the room. \n\nWho is they? This is primary politics. What is in the research that is so bad?\n\nThis is not child’s play. If you can’t handle criticism then you can’t be a nominee against the nasty GOP. \n\nImagine if Hillary had said no primary criticism was allowed because it would piss people off?\n\nNo one owes any candidate anything. This is going to be a long marathon. \n",
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"content": "Yea, but I guess the point why not Opposition research on Republicans? \nSchumer also came out supporting the relatively unknown corporate connected lawyer too. I’ve seen it so many times, Vega. The “kingmakers” support the mediocre lawyer over a popular business or working person everytime. “Kingmakers” is an apt New York term. \n\nBut I’m getting off the couch and looking to go to work— Trump is just firing me up! To fuck over every Republican Politician possible. ",
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"content": "That’s... called... politics... \n\n",
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"content": "Yeah! Making One Party states looking better. \nArmed Republicans getting Teacher job preferences next? Sorry, Cable TV is on. \nPost some more good ones, Vega!! ",
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"content": "Too early to be smoking weed. ",
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"content": "Don’t smoke, it’s bad for the lungs. \nBrownies, anyone? ",
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"content": "Brownies are so establishment, old man. \n\nThe future is mints and cookies. ",
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"content": "Or just in my hot cocoa! After a nice ski. But Republicans turned off my winter already, only one month of winter now thanks to Republican induced global warming! ",
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"content": "> I don’t come out of woodwork, I walk in and seduce the room.\n\nyou turn off anyone with a brain",
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"content": "This is NOT fun time. This is a grueling gauntlet. ",
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"content": "Because that type of situation is crazy",
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"content": "I agree, but isn’t the craziness of the situation part of the problem? We have a good guy with a gun, who based on what the article was saying almost certainly had some training, and he didn’t go in. Yeah it’s an absolutely unthinkable unimaginable situation, but it’s not like the next school shooting is going to be a calmer event. Plus, the shooter had an assault rifle, and this guy probably only had a pistol, which creates an extremely difficult situation for the good guy with a gun, because he’s so severely outgunned. ",
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"content": "So I think the solution is clear. We don't just need to arm teachers. We need to arm teachers with automatic weapons.",
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"content": "Rpg's would be much more effective and fun",
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"content": "Forget RPGs. Let's get them BFGs.",
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"content": "He didn't go in because that what's he's supposed to do. Aren't they supposed to wait for backup?",
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"content": "No. The policy is for him to go in and try to save lives. \n\nTBH, this is really bad. The police force blamed the NRA (and guns) but the news today shows this could have been resolved with a competent police force and stronger mental health resources.\n\nNot saying guns are good (I think they are, but I understand people who don't), but this could have been mitigated if the resource officer or the police force had actually done their fucking job. ",
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"content": "I don't know... Yes he's supposed to try and save lives, but running into an unknown area with multiple gunshots going off is stupid. He didn't know it was one person, or where exactly. \n\nThere is no \"job\" for someone to do, against someone with a death wish. And this stronger mental health resources bullshit is bullshit. ",
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"content": "So both sides of this argument are actually bullshit. You can't ban all guns, nor can you can ban assault weapons realistically. There's too many in circulation.\n\nBUT, you can make guns much harder to get by requiring backround checks for every single purchase, raise the minimum age to buy a rifle to 21, or offer gun buyback programs to reduce the amount of guns in circulation. With enough government buyback, you might get to the point where banning semi-automatic firearms is realistic. Right now? Nope, never gonna happen.\n\nAlso, he signed up for the job and he went into it with that mentality, \"I'm not running in there.\" It's his job. I'm sorry if you want to be a police officer, you don't get to mow down innocent black people and then stand outside while a kid shoots up a school. He had an obligation to protect and serve and he fucking tanked it. He was able to retire but he should have been fired.\n\nedit: I noticed you said you weren't sure what the policy was. Apparently it differs between precincts.\n\nfrom wapo:\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/02/23/police-are-trained-to-attack-active-shooters-but-parkland-officer-didnt-would-armed-teachers-help/?utm_term=.9a14416bd172",
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"content": "An armed police officer that sits on his ass while children are massacred constitutes a good guy to democrats?",
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"content": "There are quotes for a reason",
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"content": "I think you’re missing the point here. The fact is that he was an armed “good guy” that didn’t do anything with his gun. Putting more guns into schools isn’t going to help anything. ",
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"content": ">I think you’re missing the point here.\n\nPurposely.",
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"content": "If you cant rely on a police officer with a gun to be the good guy who can you rely on? Some underpaid 50 year old algebra teacher?",
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"content": "That might want to be able to save their own life and their students. If that was happening and I was a teacher I’d want to at least be able to have a pistol in hand while getting my students out. Not sure if I’d be a hero when it goes down, nobody does. ",
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"content": "Your not a teacher. Try asking a teacher before making an assumption on what you would do in that situation. I'm married to a teacher and most teachers we know think this is bad idea. Of course, everyone not in a classroom sure knows best on how to manage a classroom.",
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"content": "Getting your students out? Way to show your ignorance. I am not aware of any protocols that says you are supposed to leave your classroom when there is an active shooter. You lock everything up and hide. You don't try to flee and become easy targets. \n\nNow, if somehow you know where the shooter is, and you are already outside, maybe at PE or something, then yeah, you run the fuck off campus and as far away as possible. But you don't have teachers propping open the door and funneling people out into the open. \n\nThis also ignores the fact that a teacher with a pistol is going to be basically useless against a maniac with an AR. Even cops have like 15-20% accuracy in shootouts. This teacher can't be expected to be much better than that. And they have one specific target. The shooter doesn't - he is just going to spray bullets everywhere and try to hit anyone and anything. \n\nHe can also go buy some body armor and make the pistol even less effective. Then what? Teachers with ARs? All the students have to wear kevlar to school?",
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"content": "Well a gym teacher got killed blocking shots so students could get away, another kid got shot 5 times somehow while holding a door shut to keep the shooter out and a cop on scene stood outside and did nothing. I saw all three of these articles on reddit. I know there’s not a protocol but that gym teacher maybe a pistol in the situation he found himself in. But whatever I’m done it’s getting to be pointless talking to anyone that doesn’t agree with you on here, they just get shitty and insulting. ",
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"content": "My wife is a 40 year old math teacher. She's very smart and can shoot. The last thing she wants or needs is to worry about managing a gun around students. If we can't rely on the police officer, why on earth would we add one more thing to the teachers plate.",
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"content": "Wait a sec....Isn’t one of the core arguments against guns that the police can protect you?\n\nAnd insisting that because someone who was supposed to protect them did not, does not mean that someone who isn’t specifically supposed to would not.",
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"content": "No the core argument is that more guns won't solve this problem. At best it may save some kids not all, at worst it will make school shootings worst with more lives lost.",
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"content": "Okay I can understand that, though I still have no opinion on the matter",
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"content": "Probably, corner even the weakest and they will fight back. Problem was this guy wasn't cornered, along with his students. He was outside already",
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"content": "Your choosing a whole narrative that all people with firearms are cowards. Not true at all. Most would jump into the fray. ",
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"content": "In the movies sure. But this was real life",
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"content": "Bingo. People need to realize this isn't a Tom Cruise movie and you aren't Bruce Willis.",
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"content": "Whoa, wait. Why is Bruce Willis starring in a Tom Cruise movie? ",
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"content": "Because as long as we're in fairy tale land here we might as well do the one thing that would improve any Tom Cruise movie.",
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"content": "You really lost me there. Cruise’s batting average is far better than Willis. Die Hard was a long time ago.",
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"content": "Easy to say when you’re on the internet protected by a screen and anonymity. ",
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"content": "It's NOT a \"narrative\" it is a fact that in this case, there was a \"good guy with a gun\" as defined by the lying, gun loving republicans who act as NRA lapdogs always claim will stop a shooter, and in this case, did NOTHING which proves people who tell the good guy with a gun theory are not correct.\n\nDoes that mean, NO shootings are stopped by \"good guys\" with gun? NO. \n\nHowever, the VAST majority of mass shootings, NO ONE is there or stops the \"bad guy\" until he cops get there, or the shooter stops.\n\nTHAT is the reason for this discussion. \n\nYou know, a little critical thinking would really help you out with understanding this better.\n",
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"content": "You're choosing a narrative where every person with a gun is John Wick. People can shoot at a sheet of paper with ease at the range. It's a whole other story to identify the danger, run towards it and take it out without collateral damage. ",
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"content": "Bingo. Well said.",
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"content": "Police accuracy tends to be around 15-20%, but we don’t hear much criticism of them on that issue. If a cop kills a child trying to stop a bad guy we say the cop’s a hero, but if a citizen does the same he would be vilified for taking action against evil. And most cops only train with their weapon once a year while most people that carry like to go several times a year. ",
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"content": "What are you saying? That an ordinary person would not want to help? That normal people wouldn’t risk their lives for a school full of children? Maybe you wouldn’t, but I believe in better people. The America what would run into a burning building. You watch too many films where people are sulking around and have no courage or heroism. I feel sorry that as Americans we have not realized how good our country is.",
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"content": "Yet we have more school shootings (even accounting for population difference) than any other country. That’s a morality problem enabling a gun problem. Background checks, mental health checks and a ban on semi automatic weapons are needed. See Australia. ",
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"content": "It didn't happen here, and there was aperson there with a gun who JOB was to stop this... It did not happen.\n\nThere ARE instances of a \"good guy\" with a gun stopping shootings, but the simple FACT is, in most mass shootings, no one does anything until either the police arrive, or the shooter stops, kills themselves, or gets killed by the cops.\n\nit's nice you want to believe good things about others, but reality shows your hopes to be sorely misplaced.",
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"content": "And if I'm not mistaken there were people at the Las Vegas shooting who also had guns. And they said something along the lines of even though they had weapons they wouldn't pull them out in the situation because it was too dangerous, with all the people running around and general craziness of a situation like this that it wouldn't be the smartest thing to pull a weapon. ",
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"content": "I go back to the Aurora movie theater (gross that there are so many examples I can easily remember). Let’s say at least two people in the theater had a gun and pulled it out to be the “good guy with a gun” in that scenario. First, there is no way they would be able to get off aimed shots in a crowded theater with people desperate to flee. Second, anyone else pulling a gun would also be confused as an active shooter, with a situation with more that one “good guy” they would likely misidentify and begin shooting at each other as well. Adding more guns to any situation will only create more crossfire.",
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"content": "In Aurora you had 100 people sitting in seats and one guy with a rifle and shotgun in front of the screen, it wouldn’t be difficult at all to figure out who’s who. After a ggwg neutralizes a threat it’s imperative they reholster their gun, that’s pretty obvious to anyone that carries. ",
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"content": "A ggwg wouldn't neutralize the threat though. Cops have 20% accuracy. A random guy with minimal training can't be expected to be any better. He's also in a dark room, with a ton of innocent people in his path, trying to face down someone with an AR while he has a pistol. ",
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"content": "Cops shoot to qualify once a year and don’t go through more than that, while a typical enthusiast goes shooting multiple times a year. If anything most CCW people are better shots than cops. ",
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"content": "They can be better than cops and still suck at shooting.\n\nBesides, you don't think a lot of cops are enthusiasts? You think because they are only tested once a year they don't shoot more than that?",
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"content": "Yeah, everyone can suck at shooting, even marines. Is that an excuse to not attempt to stop a mass killing? \n\nMost cops aren’t enthusiasts, talk with r/protectandserve and you’ll learn that. ",
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"content": "> Is that an excuse to not attempt to stop a mass killing?\n\nIt wouldn't do that though. That's the thing. All it does is turn schools into prisons and teachers into guards. Fuck that shit. Actually solve the problem.",
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"content": "Bullshit. Carrying a gun doesn’t give you psychic powers to know the intentions of other people pulling out their guns.\nMore guns is not the god damn answer. The people carrying out the shootings are able to legally obtain their firearms. Most mass shootings don’t involve a stolen or otherwise illegally obtained weapon. They are legally bought meaning the current laws we have in place are too lax. You can’t have a system that just lets everyone have a gun and wait for them to kill someone before deciding they shouldn’t have one.",
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"content": "No psychic powers needed when you see someone shooting indiscriminately. One of the four gun rules is knowing your target and what’s behind it. If you can’t positively identify that someone is a bad shooter you don’t engage, they could be an undercover cop. But if you see someone turning from one innocent person to another shooting, no psychic powers needed. \n\nAlso, more or less guns either way isn’t the answer. There is no statistical relationship between the percentage of households in a state that own a gun and the murder rate of that state. We have to look elsewhere to find real solutions to lowering gun homicides, such as poverty reduction, which actually is statistically associated to murder rates. \n\nYou say mass shootings don’t involve stolen or illegal guns, so I guess you’re talking about massacres because the Everytown stats about mass shooting seem to indicate mass shootings are primarily gang violence, which we can assume are using hot guns. While massacres like this school shooting suck, and create strong emotions, it’s vital to recognize how rare they are compared to all other violence in the US. Do they happen too frequently, sure, but we can’t lump them together with a gang shooting where 3 people get hit and no one dies. These have different etiologies and require different interventions. ",
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"content": "Bingo. No one knew where the shots were coming from. They didn't know if it was a single shooter or multiple. Some \"good guy\" takes out his gun and he might get popped by another good guy, or by the cops when they show up. Or people should be running towards him to safety, but they see the gun and accidentally run away from him, towards the real shooter.",
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"content": "In this case, the officer is at fault in failing his duties.\n\nHowever, gun owners are not expected (and shouldn’t be) to risk their lives in defense of others.\n\nThe priority is to get to safety, yourself, your family, anyone you can, before you pull your gun. If you are forced with the situation where it is disadvantageous to your survival not to, that is when a gun is useful.\n\nThis is the only way guns could be helpful in schools, if it were a last resort. \n\nI personally am undecided on the issue.",
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"content": ">too many films where people are sulking around and have no courage or heroism\n\nWhat films exactly? Movies are far more likely to depict an overpowered, unrealistic action hero than a realistic, unheroic person.",
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"content": "I reject this definition good guy/ bad guy is not a binary. You are not a good guy simply because you do not do evil. To be a good guy you must actively do good. This man is either neutral for choosing not to act or an actual bad guy for not protecting those he swore to protect and was remunerated for. Those who run away from children screaming for help run away from the right to be called good guys. \n\nNot saying the ggwg argument is valid only that it doesn't apply here.",
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"content": "I understand what you’re saying, but I think you’re missing something crucial here. You can’t truly define somebody as being a “good guy” or “bad guy” until after the fact. They have to have had an action or in-action in order to classify themselves as one or the other. Lack of action could be considered as a “bad guy“ however, in the moment he was trained, employed and licensed as a sheriff deputy with a firearm. He is paid to be the “good guy“, his resignation shows that he was not able to fulfill those duties. The fallacy lies in the fact that you can never know if someone who is the owner and operator of a firearm will be a “good guy“ or “bad guy“ in the heat of the moment.",
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"content": "Bad cop who got fired.",
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"content": "You may have replied to the wrong thing.",
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"content": "But if there had been *two* good guys with guns, *that* would have stopped the attacker.\n\nOr maybe they would have shot each other.",
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"content": "I think they would say the difference between him and armed teachers is that it would have been an act of extreme heroism for him to run toward the shooting, where as an armed teacher would have the shooter coming toward him and would at least have a fighting chance. \n\nIt’s still ludicrous to arm teachers, but I don’t think this guy choosing not to run into an unknown and deadly situation is the silver bullet to prove that arming teachers is stupid. It is, but I think we need a different argument than this guy. ",
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"content": "Totally agree. Also, it’s not like the teacher would go hunting for the dude - the gun would be a last defense if the guy entered the classroom. That being said, if you arm every teacher there will be collateral damage - the question is how much and in what ways it would manifest. These are questions we need to focus on. Would poorly trained teachers get jumpy in non-threatening situations? Would students occasionally get ahold of these guns? How do you justify the billions of dollars this would cost OVER other methods of curbing gun violence? ",
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"content": "FOUR Sheriffs Deputies refused to enter Stoneman Douglas during the massacre. So much for arming teachers, random staff, etc. when even the deputies can’t defend the schools. ",
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"content": "Totally obliterates the pro-gun lobby's only real argument in favor of their positon.",
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"content": "I truly believe this \"good guy with a gun\" argument is a distraction. The Gun Lobby knows it's an absurd argument but they also know its a good diversion for the media and Gun Control advocates. We need to call them out for throwing up this smoke-screen and keep focused on the fact these assault weapons need to be banned. Period.",
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"content": "I would say it's not even just a distraction, but a deliberate waste of time. By convincing politicians to try GGWAG laws that we already know don't work, they waste valuable time and prevent those politicians from trying new types of gun laws that might actually hurt the gun lobby.",
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"content": "It's a very marketable fantasy. After all these years, your time has finally come to be what Hollywood taught you to pretend to be.",
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"content": "A GGWAG died in the Las Vegas shooting spree that began with a ['Sovereign Citizen' Neo-Nazi couple assassinating two officers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings) while they were on lunch. Some guy tried to stop the shooters but died, his name was [Joseph Wilcox](https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Vegas-conceal-carry-permit-holder-Hero-or-victim-5545824.php).\n\nYou don't hear much about him.",
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"content": "**2014 Las Vegas shootings**\n\nThe 2014 Las Vegas shootings occurred on June 8, 2014 in northeastern Las Vegas, Nevada, when a married couple, Jerad and Amanda Miller, committed a shooting spree in which five people died, including themselves. The couple, who espoused extreme anti-government views, first killed two Las Vegas police officers at a restaurant before fleeing into a Walmart, where they killed an intervening armed civilian. The couple died after engaging responding officers in a shootout; police shot and killed Jerad, while Amanda committed suicide after being wounded.\n\n***\n\n^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/democrats/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^| [^Donate](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/donate) ^]\n^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28",
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"content": "Well last week it was focus on trump Russia collusion and the week before that it was focus on DACA bottom line is dems apparently only focus on what CNN tells them is important this week ",
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"content": "Think about it another way.\n\nWe put more officers with guns in schools full-time one of three things will happen:\n\n1) Officer shoots the attacker dead. RW media focuses on the heroic duty the officer performed, ignores the victims. Thoughts and prayers. But at least the shooter was stopped so it wasn't X+Y deaths!!\n\n2) Officer is shot dead by the attacker. RW media focuses on the heroic duty the officer performed, gives thoughts and prayers, and attacks anyone who points out that the officer was unable to stop the gun man as seizing on tragedy to push an agenda.\"Why do you hate police!\"\n\n3) Officer lives and doesn't kill or stop the attacker, RW media shames the officer publicly and acts as if they were responsible for the horrors committed. \"That coward of an officer let the babies die!\" Vows to arm students and teachers, maybe even require AR-15s for the security officers. \n\nIts a thoroughly thought-out Xanatos Gambit where in every circumstance they can sell more guns as a result and use guns as a single-vote wedge issue.\n\nI'm done with it. I'm so done.",
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"content": "Even more absurd is that arming pilots didn't work, and most of them are former military! Pilots with guns haven't been used a single time to stop a terrorist.",
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"content": "To latch onto what combover caligula said today..not only did the good guy with a gun not do anything. It also didn't prevent the kid from doing it. He said having armed teachers would deter the \"sickos\" from even attempting a school shooting",
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"content": "Who would? I wouldn't even sign up for it. Why's anyone's life worth more than mine? I'm sure he thought the same way. But would gladly vote for his \"gun rights\". He should be strung up on principal. Atleast I'm not getting paid to lie about defending people. ",
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"content": "Isn't the first thing officers do is secure the perimeter and call for backup? Maybe I've watched too many detective shows, but that seems right. By the time backup arrived, I'm guessing it was all over? \n\nSeems like he did what he was trained to do, which is NOT to be a hero.",
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"content": "Not on an active shooter. Training is almost universally to go in immediately. ",
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"content": "Wait a sec. You sure he didn't offer-up thoughts and prayers?",
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"content": "There were four sheriffs with guns that did nothing.\n\nUnarmed civilians protected children. Imagine if those civilians had something to actually defend those children with. ",
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"content": "Florida 2018 Election \n\n[Primary Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): July 30, 2018 \n\n[Primary Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): August 28, 2018 \n\n[General Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): October 9, 2018 \n\n[General Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): November 6, 2018 \n\n",
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"content": "Which is testament to how government cannot protect you \n",
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"content": "*ahem*Sutherland Springs*ahem*",
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"content": "Because one guy did nothing it means nobody would do anything. Not saying that \"GGWAG\" is the answer, but to extrapolate one person's actions in one situation and use it as proof is fucking dumb.",
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"content": "As more information has come out, it appears there were as many as *four* Sheriff's deputies waiting outside, they waited on the Coral Springs cops to show up, and (unclear) apparently expected those cops, not themselves, to go in.",
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"content": "I'm curious to know WHY he did nothing, so then i can figure out a way to use the answer for that to somehow further my narrative and point fingers at the other side",
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"content": "He’s obviously not a “good guy”, a good guy would have went in and tried to save those kids.",
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"content": "Someone tell me here, what laws are working right now to keep guns off the street? I would enjoy hearing how they are so working. it appears that the laws aren't working. No, you can't remove the 2nd amendment either. \n\nSo, this leaves with one question. How do we resolve an issue like this? Well, that needs to be answered. Banning guns isn't working at all.",
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"content": "I am a lifelong Democrat, I own a firearm for protection, You are welcome to join us.",
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"content": "People are just reacting to the tragedy. While there are a lot of people want to ban guns, most of democrats just want more gun regulation.",
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"content": "In an ideal world for me you couldn’t get a gun without serious training but people should me encouraged to do so... I was for personal reasons, and I lived in places where legal guns were needed.",
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"content": "Completely true. I think on reddit the most hardcore outspoken people tend to get most of the attention. \n\nThe truth is anything you see on social media tends to gravitate to the extreme. I'm a democrat and believe that we need to work on creating laws that work. \n\nKeep in mind whether you agree with the interpretation or not the supreme court has held it legal to ban certain weapons that obviously had a bad purpose, for example a sawed off shotgun if I recall correctly, so legally there likely wouldn't be an issue banning or creating even more regulations to make it more difficult if not impossible to get an AR-15 weapon. \n\nWhat gets old about the people on the left is the fact that we seem to have some go on extreme anti gun crusades, and the people that do get a lot of publicity even though they're on the fringe and don't have the prevailing opinion. \n\n",
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"content": "> Keep in mind whether you agree with the interpretation or not the supreme court has held it legal to ban certain weapons that obviously had a bad purpose, for example a sawed off shotgun if I recall correctly, so legally there likely wouldn't be an issue banning or creating even more regulations to make it more difficult if not impossible to get an AR-15 weapon.\n\nFunny thing about the [Miller v. US decision](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller), it was deemed acceptable to regulate the short barreled shotgun precisely because it was not military type weapon not suitable for use in a milita. That same argument is clearly not applicable to the AR15, which is in fact, an excellent weapon for a militia.",
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"content": "**United States v. Miller**\n\nUnited States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), was a Supreme Court case that involved a Second Amendment challenge to the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). Miller is often cited in the ongoing American gun politics debate, as both sides claim that it supports their position.\n\n***\n\n^[ [^PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=kittens_from_space) ^| [^Exclude ^me](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiTextBot&message=Excludeme&subject=Excludeme) ^| [^Exclude ^from ^subreddit](https://np.reddit.com/r/democrats/about/banned) ^| [^FAQ ^/ ^Information](https://np.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/index) ^| [^Source](https://github.com/kittenswolf/WikiTextBot) ^| [^Donate](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiTextBot/wiki/donate) ^]\n^Downvote ^to ^remove ^| ^v0.28",
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"content": "Actually that isn't the common interpretation of that ruling any more especially when we look at the current case law. I don't believe there are even any cases besides the two handgun cases where the supreme court hasn't allowed regulation. Really what Miller stands for now is \"We can regulate guns\". The more precise meaning is likely no longer even seen as valid as the supreme court contradicted it in the Heller decision by saying we can't ban handguns even though they aren't needed to for a militia, as they actually seem to intertwine the right to bear arms with a fundamental right to self-defense. Heller added with Miller really seems to say \"We can ban certain guns if we want\", but that's just my interpretation.\n\nNow for the strictly textual interpretation of Miller and what it stands for. \n\n1. It does not stand for the fact that we can't enact bans on weapons suited for the military as it simply does not comment on the issue. \n2. By itself it simply stands for the proposition that some weapons can be banned if they don't have a militia use. Heller further modifies it by saying handguns can't be banned not just because of the 2nd amendment but because of the underpinnings of the second amendment to the fundamental right of self defense. \n\nWith everything that has happened since Miller most Constitutional scholars see Miller as truly losing its meaning. It can either stand for the fact that the government definitely can regulate weapons that don't have a use in the militia or are tied to the fundamental right of self defense, or you can see it as a signal from the supreme court that we will continue to see bans on most firearms deemed \"too dangerous\" and there is a compelling reason to ban. However, the Miller decision simply DOES NOT mean that we can't regulate firearms that are part of the militia, at best that issue hasn't been decided. ",
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"content": "You wanna know what else is funny? The fact that you can't even dispute my reply. You may not like it, but it is what it is. ",
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"content": "Thank you. As someone who obtained a firearm in Massachusetts for defense legally and had had to use it for that I’m glad that I have a valid opinion in a party even when they disagree with my wanting to own a firearm.",
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"content": "The Democrat coalition is not for banning guns. There are too many gun owning liberals. ",
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"content": "I have refused to register for a party since I could vote. Dems used to be way too much nanny bitches. Video games bad, porn bad, marijuana bad, etc. Seems to have changed. Still I have voted Dem probably 95% of the time.\n\nMy POV is that there are some people in this country who should never be allowed to own a gun. How do we stop those people from obtaining weapons legally or otherwise? Throwing your hands up and say we must remain the status quo is dumb.",
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"content": "That goes for at least several student survivors of Stoneman Douglas, too, who will turn 18 before 2020, and even this year, just in time to vote in the midterms. \n\nOne student survivor, the eloquent Samuel Zeif who spoke at the White House the other day, turned 18 the day before the shooting. Maybe future votes like his will slap the disgusting, sickening smile off Betsy DeVoss’ face, as well as the smirks of others. ",
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"content": "Then we would have to raise the age of serving in the military to 21 or maybe 25. This is why the voting age was lowered to 18 during the Vietnam War era. Why would 18-21 or maybe up to 25 year olds be old enough to operate these weapons in the military if they can’t vote on representation of what they’d potentially be sent away for?\n\n“You’re old enough to kill / But not for votin’ / You don’t believe in war / So what’s that gun you’re totin’?” — Eve of Destruction by Barry McGuire\n\nEdit: Added a word ",
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"content": "No. I’m 31 and I’m not responsible enough to own a gun. Gun ownership doesn’t equal sovereignty. That’s crazy. ",
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"content": "In that case, then conservative voters should be given history and IQ tests before voting. ",
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"content": "We should just have tests that verify community and political cognizance/acuity before allowing people to weight in on deciding what is best for community and politics. \n\nIt goes without saying people will need to verify their residence and citizenship to obtain this certificate and all people, regardless of political leaning, should be required to take it in order to vote in any capacity.\n\nWe should call it voter ID!",
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"content": "That is just babble to prevent brown people from voting.\n\nThere has been voter id for years. \n\nIf there were tests for political cognizance and decency, conservatives would never win another election. \n\n",
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"content": ">conservative voters should be given history and IQ tests before voting.\n\nAlso\n\n>If there were tests for political cognizance and decency, conservatives would never win another election.\n\nSo your stance is that all \"brown people\" are illegals, all conservatives are dumb (even though they just beat out a top tier Democratic nominee) and Democrats couldn't pass an acuity test so just give it to conservatives?",
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"content": "They beat someone?\n\nThey voted for a bigoted clown. Lmao\n\nAnd still lost the popular vote. \n\nAnd like I said, voter ID is just a way of suppressing the vote.\n\nJust like when Republicans close polling places, shorten voting days, ending early voting, etc.\n\nOne party wants to make it harder to vote. \n\nBecause when turnout is high, they get crushed. \n\n",
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"content": ">One party wants to make it harder to vote. \n\nYou're criticizing that and yet just hours before you're advocating that conservatives have to take an IQ and history test to vote.\n\nYou should practice what you preach.",
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"content": "I said if.\n\nKeep trying. ",
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"content": "Ah, just like the “good old days” of voter suppression in the last century... when potential voters were asked to identify how many bubbles there were in a bar of soap, and how many jelly beans there were in a jar. What a coincidence that white people miraculously got the answers right, but blacks didn’t.. ",
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"content": "I'm asking for the same thing Vega is asking for, not sure why I'm the bad guy here.",
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"content": "Obama had 2 terms. If legislation is so obvious, why didn't he do anything?",
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"content": "Yo do know Presidents don’t write laws and we have a body called Congress?\n\nDo you guys always blame someone else and never take personal responsibility?\n\nIs it because you worship a insecure manchild?\n\nJust asking.\n",
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"content": "Worship no. Follow yes. There’s a difference yknow.",
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"content": "Did you blame 44 for Sandy Hook like y'all are blaming 45 now for Parkland?",
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"content": "Lmao\n\nThe shooter last week was a public trump supporter.\n\nObama tried to do something about guns.\n\nThe GOP stopped him, even though the bill got 54 votes in the Senate. \n\nFacts are pesky things. \n\nYour cult is responsible for this. \n",
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"content": "What did 44 do again? ",
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"content": "He outlined about 15 initiatives he wanted Congress to take up. \n\nWhy?\n",
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"content": "LoL like they'll make a real difference. Reading them now ",
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"content": "If you haven’t read them, why are you dismissing them already?\n\n\nEspecially when some of them are exactly what trump has said?\n\n\nYou guys are so fucking pathetic. ",
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"content": "Yes, blame us. Forget trying to understand your side. And fuck you too. Fuck continuing reading up on 44's shit.",
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"content": "Lmao\n\n\nYou do know that this is history?\n\nAnd you should know history?\n\n\nDon’t blame someone else for your choice to stay stupid.",
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"content": "Don't really care",
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"content": "Because the facts make you realize what a bigot you have been. \n\nYou didn’t know about Obama’s ideas after Sandy Hook? When so many children were murdered? \n\nAnd you are here asking us to blame Obama?\n\nAre you 12?\n\nThe ignorance of you people is a disgrace. ",
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"content": "Bigot? Nice \n\nI rarely paid attention to politics/news til last year. \n\nI asked you IF you blamed Obama. \n\nYou're jumping into conclusions.",
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"content": "Bigot. Yes. \n\nIf you didn’t pay attention until last year, go do research before you start commenting. \n\nThis is actually, like, kids getting murdered.\n\nMaybe you should be paying fucking closer attention. \n",
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"content": "Doesn't matter what you call me. Are you as tolerant? \n\nThe image topic is for voter registration. I was hoping someone would mention something along the lines of \"voter suppression\". But now that a whole side is just so tired of 45, suddenly everyone's willing to vote. \n\nThat part would've been more apt for the topic at hand but it went towards finding blame for innocent deaths, because that helps?",
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"content": "The topic is gun violence",
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"content": " I asked you IF you blamed Obama, where he called Sandy Hook \"the worst day of his presidency\". He also said \"he was willing to put his political capital into it\" and vowed to use \"whatever weight this office holds\".\n\nYet he used Biden instead to deal with the GOP-controlled house and all of that falls flat because the NRA has THAT much power?\n(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/17/obama-gun-control-failure/2091101/)",
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"content": "You are still looking for a phony bullshit way to blame Obama when you didn’t even know the facts to begin with. \n\nIt’s pretty sad. \n",
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"content": "Not necessarily. Because it was a GOP controlled house he was up against so there's that. Though his own words showed conviction, the execution didn't seem to reflect it. Remember that I agreed with some of the 15-item eo.",
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"content": "What execution?\n\nCongress writes laws. ",
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"content": "Was 44 with Biden when he met with the NRA?",
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"content": "Arf arf",
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"content": "Mark Pryor of Arkansas (D), Max Baucus of Montana (D), Mark Begich of Alaska (D) and Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D) of North Dakota. \n \nAll because of deep red/NRA?\n\n",
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"content": "Keep searching",
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"content": "It's possible that the 22 item eo could have saved a few lives, even if it's already a small fraction of total gun deaths.\n\nBut even of the 54 votes, 4 nay were democrats (3 of 4 from red states). Your side can still be bought.\n\nAs I asked before, did the NRA wield that much power on a GOP-controlled house but Democrat majority Senate? Enough for a 54-46 ?\n\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/16/nra-money-isnt-why-gun-control-efforts-are-failing-commentary.html\n\nLastly, you only care about gun deaths after a mass shooting.\n\nTo put this in perspective, there have been at least 1721 gun deaths (murder) in 2018 alone.\n http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php\n\nDid you think of \"calling people to arms\" once the death count passed 17? \n\nOtherwise, you're just posturing for a select few. ",
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"content": "no",
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"content": "No, the GOP are the ones preventing new law and enabling murderers. \n\nI will keep saying it. ",
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"content": "Doesn't matter, you're only posturing after a mass shooting. Enabling murderers? Yeah keep saying it, doesn't make it true.",
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"content": "I am not posturing. This is called having principles.\n\nAnd my position remains the same whether there is a mass shooting or not. \n\n",
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"content": "Principles for a select few. Please don't act like you're the only one with principles. You didn't lose a wink of sleep over nearly 2 thousand deaths from 2 months alone in this year, but so vocal about 17. Give me a break. ",
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"content": "Fuck do you know what I lose winks of sleep over?",
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"content": "This is where I'll stand with you, if Obama's gun control legislation did pass, that 1721 deaths could very well be much lower. \n\nAnd I'd gladly blame my constituents. But I'm left wondering if Obama could have done more to avoid that shameful day in Congress.",
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"content": "What could he have done?\n\n",
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"content": "Truly a question I'm pondering if he replaced Biden during the motions.",
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"content": "Biden was closer to the Senate than he was, being there 30 years. So no. \n\n",
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"content": "I understand that. But what if. His rhetoric post NFL-kneeling was \"let's listen to each other\". Nothing changed about him (in a good way). Just thoughts",
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"content": "Sandy Hook was way before anyone was kneeling. ",
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"content": "I know that\n ",
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"content": "It is natural to be emotional when we see tragedies like mass shootings, even if they're a fraction of gun-related deaths.\n(https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.cb7b4038f8f4)\n\nBut this is not meant to minimize these deaths.\n\nFor every 100,000 people in the US, there's 3.85 deaths, where we rank 31st (Honduras ranks 1st btw at 137.5) (https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/02/15/586014065/deaths-from-gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world)\n\nNow how many people die from gun violence outside of mass shootings? \n\nOr do y'all really only care *during mass shootings?*\n\nFrom there we can easily go into just wanting to be rid of guns. There's no denying a real tangible reduction in gun deaths here.\n\nSo out of the 73-81 million est. gun owners, how many of them are the criminals causing these deaths?\n(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/15/most-gun-owners-dont-belong-to-the-nra-and-they-dont-agree-with-it-either/?utm_term=.dd6167aeeba6)\n\nBut to get to the point, where I asked you IF you blamed Obama, where he called Sandy Hook \"the worst day of his presidency\". He also said \"he was willing to put his political capital into it\" and vowed to use \"whatever weight this office holds\".\n\nYet he used Biden instead to deal with the GOP and all of that falls flat because the NRA has THAT much power?\n(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/17/obama-gun-control-failure/2091101/)\n\n\nBtw I lied and read through the 15 item proposal. I agreed with some but I believe it is ambitious in scale that implementing fully will be challenging.\n\nBecause if only we know how many gun owners there are and how many aren't inclined to criminal activity, the rest should be easy.\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Don’t try to save yourself now after you googled some articles. ",
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"content": "C'mon man what do you think?\n\nEdit: this is not about trying to save face. If I cared about that, I would have deleted all those times you burned me.",
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"content": "It’s too late to make a first impression. ",
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"content": "We're well past 1st impressions",
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"content": "They were armed with that and they chose Donald Trump",
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"content": "Um, more people voted for someone else. \n\nHahahahahaha",
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"content": "Melania is pure trash",
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"content": "Wow, it just keeps getting more and more surreal.",
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"content": "what exactly did she do that makes her trash? \n\nI hate The Donald, but I'm not seeing what she herself did to garner that moniker.",
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"content": "For 8 years millions of Republicans loathed Michelle Obama for having the audacity to be married to a president they didn't like. Now we're seeing that the left also has a lot of assholes. ",
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"content": "So true. ",
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"content": "Cyberbullied lol",
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"content": "Can we not today",
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"content": "Melania needs to leave this man to set a role for all young women. She doesn’t deserve to be treated like this by her trash husband.",
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"content": "She championed anti online bullying which her husband continues to do, she was part of the birther movement, she is a gold digger, she is a plagerising liar, etc. But somehow I'm the asshole? ",
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"content": "Yes. Yes you are. ",
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"content": "What's the weather like in Russia?",
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"content": "Cloudy, chance of collusion. ",
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"content": "The irony never dawns on these so-called conservatives. ",
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"content": "The idea is to have people who are able to defend themselves and others on hand should an active shooter type situation occur. CPAC has that type of security, whereas schools so not. ",
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"content": "Schools, churches, libraries, grocery stores, shopping centers, etc. etc.\n\nYou guys have a lot of work to do!",
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"content": "Good point. There should be armed security at all.",
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"content": "If only there was an amendment to arm people.....",
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"content": "We are buried in debt, taxes in the rich we’re just cut, we’re cutting social services, funding to hire and k-12 education, and increasing our military spending. Yet you want to spend thousands of dollars per month per site to arm everyone to the teeth. Billions and billions more per year to arm more people. Do you not know how stupid that is? Seriously. Do you not understand how absurd that is?",
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"content": "If only there wasn't one that tools misinterpreted to be that.",
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"content": "Really? That's the idea? And you know that how?",
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"content": "The president was giving a speech. I'm sure his personal security must have been there, armed to the teeth.",
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"content": "How did you expect him to run with his bone spurs? hahaha",
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"content": "Like this: “*herka herka herka* **oof** oh my great belly full of cheese burgers *herka herka herka*”",
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"content": "But I NEED cheeseburgers, Mr.Lahey!",
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"content": ":D \n\nIf Trump were that svelte with such a Randy-full head of hair, he’d be rocking the greasy cheeseburger no-shirt look every damn day.",
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"content": "THAT COMMENT THO",
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"content": "This is cyber bullying a victim of gun violence, and the trolls were hard at work yesterday doing exactly that.\n\nI can pull it out of my post history but I unmasked a few doing exactly that, yesterday. ([Here's one](https://np.reddit.com/r/esist/comments/7zjet2/trump_wants_to_arm_teachers_but_three_cops_that/)) \n\nThey're trying dox that dude, who let's be honest, is probably going to end up killing himself, right?\n\nThey are desperately stirring the pot trying to distract from Mueller investigation, playing both sides.\n\nThis is in indisputable confirmation that the President of the United States is getting his marching orders from the same source as the concern trolls that have flooded social media all week preaching extremist positions on gun control, both for and against.\n\n# This is All Hands ON DECK! \n\nThis Cold Info War has gone kinetic. We can't afford to trust nothing and no one. We have to verify every presumption.\n\nCheck the threads about the CNN FAKE NEWS TOWNHALL scandal about how the kid's father was caught trying to pass a doctored email. The whole controversy was a contrivance backed by a bot army online.\n\nThey really think that we are as dumb as they are... ",
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"content": "This is retarded. A fuck-ton of people fought very hard to avoid that draft because they didn't want to die in a war no one supported for a cause no one believed in. I'm sure Trump would have fought just as hard to avoid any other war, but still. \n\nOn the other hand, you have a cop who is only really at the school to ensure general safety. We're expected to revere cops because they \"protect your lives with theirs.\" He's not legally obligated to do a damn thing, but he absolutely had a moral obligation to do more than nothing.",
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"content": "That cop ran in terror while teenage boys gave their lives to protect students. That cop should turn in his badge in shame. ",
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"content": "He did. I think I heard in the radio yesterday that he resigned. ",
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"content": "Retired",
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"content": "Of course, nothing like getting full benefits for a job you didn’t do .....",
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"content": "There's nothing wrong with that. Benefits are for service rendered over the course of the job, not to be lost for one instance of fear. He probably, rightfully has a lot of guilt and the only real action he can take is to leave the career.",
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"content": "He was a cop for 30 years...the fact that he didnt face an AR15 proves the point a teacher trained for 3 days never would either...the US has gone to crazy town.",
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"content": "Ali skipped out on it also.",
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"content": "Yeah. This is a bit of a troubled analogy. Volunteering to go kill people for a your government's political benefit and acting in defense of innocent children being killed in front of you are two substantially different things and would produce different behaviors in many people. \n\nI'm no advocate of gun violence to end gun violence, but I do think many non-contracted gun owners would have at least TRIED to help if they had been standing there and known what was going on. Frankly, I think many people would've done SOMETHING without a gun. There's no telling what Trump or any of us would have done in the same situation, but it's certainly a more immediate and morally absolute matter than throwing yourself into the middle of a politically motivated shitstorm overseas. ",
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"content": "No one asked the cowards' opinion, though. He should have not cyber-bullied a shooting victim if he didn't want his history of draft dodging brought up.\n",
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"content": "Everyone should have, dodging the draft in Vietnam was the moral choice.",
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"content": "So the tens of thousands that went and died were what? Cowards?",
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"content": "Victims?",
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"content": "Absolutely. But they faced their fate, like the rest of those that served.\n\nMoral objections are one thing, but I put my anti-war philosophy aside when the Twin Towers fell just like tens of thousands of my peers, and to hear a Draft Dodger second-guess ANYONE under actual gun fire is the absolute height of absurdity.\n\nYou don't have to love America, but you can't stop us from doing it.",
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"content": "Misinformed by their government, victims of circumstance, often lower to middle class, usually psychologically damaged after, mistreated when they got home...\n\n",
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"content": "Accurate. That's why we don't Draft anymore.\n",
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"content": "The possibility of a World War-type scenario makes Selective Service Registration necessary.\n\nThat's why I volunteer and work for officials that are anti-war, to keep it as the superfluous relic of a bygone era that it is.\n\nThat's our system. I'm open to changing it, but it is what it is at the moment.",
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"content": "You signed up for jury duty, homie. There is no Draft on the books at the moment.\n\nThis isn't Russia or Iran, here.",
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"content": "\n>It's important to know that even though he is registered, a man will not automatically be inducted into the military.\n\nYeah, I mean it is right there in black and white in your own post.\n\nYou're going out of your way to be offended by something that isn't there.\n\nOur volunteer military pays a steep price so that **principled pacifists** like yourself are **never, ever, everconscripted.**\n\nPretending that's Selective Service is similar to an act of conscription is ridiculous and contrary to the words in your own comment sauce.\n\nOn this, we disagree, so we leave it to the community to decide who they believe.\n\nI rest my case.",
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"content": ">You're seriously arguing that signing up to be potentially drafted, isn't actually signing up to be drafted because you're not currently being drafted.\n\nUh, no, I'm not. I'm arguing that Selective Service Registration is not the same thing as a Draft, and any country with an actual conscript army demonstrates that distinction.\n\nYou're missing the forest through the trees because you're too busy being self-righteous to notice how pedantic you're entire hypothesis is, even if it were right, which it isn't.\n\nI'm down for getting rid of it, but that's not the discussion you started:\n\n>A potential world war type scenario doesn't justify **making 17 year olds sign up be conscripted**, and **the draft is not a relic of a bygone era it's current and I signed up for it.**\n\nYou seem to be confused as to what a Draft actually is. If you registered to be drafted, where is your draft card? Have you been cleared? Are you even qualified?\n\n\nThese are things that would be true if you signed up for a draft, [just like you said...](https://np.reddit.com/r/democrats/comments/7zwjmf/lawrence_odonnell_on_twitter_the_president_who/durf8ur/)",
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"content": ">-Registering for selective service enters you into the lottery based draft system.\n\nSo where is your card? You said you signed up, right? What designation were you assigned? When's your physical and aptitude testing?",
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"content": ">And don't worry it's not slavery it's Selective Service!\n\nI couldn't make you look dumber than that statement CTFU LOL",
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"content": "Right but then you shouldn't turn around and mock a war hero like McCain for getting captured or attack the family of a dead hero soldier. The point is Trump is an asshole hypocrite not that he didnt go to war by itself.",
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"content": "This is basless agitprop to distract from the Mueller indictments. The trolls were attacking the security guard all day yesterday, the exact same why they dissected the Las Vegas shooting to distract from the original indictments last October.\n\nThis is proof that Trump is informed by these same people that have been all over social media this week pushing extreme, hysterical reactions to the Parkland shooting. \n\nThis idiot can't stop telling on himself.",
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"content": "PROOF I TELLS YA!1!! #REEEEE",
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"content": "> #*checks comment history, confirms u/HarvestProject is an active contributor to subs likd [the_Cult and /HeroesOfTheStorm](https://www.reddit.com/user/harvestproject/comments/?sort=controversial&t=day)*\n\nYeah, you assholes. \n\nKeep acting like actual Americans are as stupid as you guys.\n\nYou're failing at agitprop and disinfo because you're not genuine alphas, just a bunch of sad,bitter, and delusional beta poseurs trying to Red Pill people that aren't mentally ill. \n\nIt's not working. People like you aren't that clever.",
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"content": "Heroes of the storm eh? You seem like a bot to me tbh ",
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"content": "That's what you all say. \n\nWanna trade verification?",
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"content": "It’s sick how his party accused the victims of being crisis actors. This younger generation will come out and vote, the repercussions will be seen against the Republicans.",
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"content": "The Republican Party has been doing this for the last twenty years. People are too dumb to notice.",
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"content": "I would say its more because they are more self-involved. People aren't really that stupid. They just don't give a shit and think people should accommodate them.",
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"content": "Yeah people don't care what the truth is so they choose one that's most convenient for what beliefs they're holding onto...",
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"content": "Dumb to notice or-- which btw is more sad - they notice and don't care. ",
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"content": "The term \"crisis actor\" in its modern context wasn't coined until the weeks after the Sandy Hook Massacre. ",
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"content": "I feel like a new counterculture movement will happen in the 2020s with young millenials and old Gen Z, since history feels like it's repeating itself",
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"content": "It feels like the GOP are going for broke. I think they realize future generations won’t be able to be manipulated as easily because the vast reach of the internet provides knowledge to almost everyone. They know that power is slipping out of their hands so they’re cashing in their chips, being horrible monsters, and then they’ll drop out of public life and politics for jobs in the private sector. Leaving the bare bones of what the GOP used to be and a ton of lunatics without direction. Some monster will either pick up the pieces or maybe the GOP can recreate itself as something for the people as opposed to corporations. ",
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"content": "Just remember the Internet does not provide knowledge to people, it can give them information, but it can just as easily give them misinformation.",
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"content": "It also lets people with very distorted views of the world find each other and become even more extreme while feeling that it's all very \"normal\".\n\nThe sort of extreme us vs. them mentality one sees in any thread about pretty much any given political or regional issue says a lot.\n\nPeople don't want to communicate or encounter views they don't already agree with. They want a tribe to fight with and at least one to fight against.",
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"content": "If anything, this last election proved how easily manipulated most people are, regardless of generation or media outlet. Facebook was the main target of Russian meddling but Reddit wasn’t much better. ",
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"content": "Yeah but I just can’t see that being an ongoing problem. We have a massive security breach for this country with misinformation on social media. Something will have to be done about it. Once we get people running the country who DON’T want Russia to influence us.",
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"content": "Really hammered home by people like Trump and SHS trying to pull the old “I never said that!” as if there aren’t cameras and microphones (and tweets) around every time they speak. It’s like they forget modern technology exists, and we DON’T have to just “take their word.” ",
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"content": "Hillary was a sign that we've had enough.\nI'm figuring at least half of the people who voted trump weren't pro-trump but anti-hillary.",
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"content": "Which also speaks to the effectiveness of propaganda bullshit, given how many people loathed her for no good reason.",
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"content": "Next election will prob go dems then back to repubs and thus the great cycle continues. Can we get a 3rd party that isn't insane already?!",
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"content": "You mean “some people” because conspiracy theorists are all over the place politically but you only hear and see the ones who support your world view.",
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"content": "They literally never come out and vote, why would now be any different?",
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"content": "Was genuinely curious as to when somebody was going to post this exact thing.",
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"content": "Don't condemn them for being a draft dodger; condemn them for being a draft dodger that calls the brave cowards.",
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"content": "Okay but the officer wasn't brave in this case. He literally did not go in nor do anything to save those kids.",
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"content": "And who has the right to call him a coward? ",
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"content": "Muhammad Ali was a conscientious objector who served time, gave up a title at the peak of his career for his religious beliefs. That took incredible courage. Do not compare that in any way shape or form to what Trump did. \n\nAlso Ali had great grace about it, he made the decision for himself based on his own moral code, he did not condemn others for their decision. Do you see the hypocrisy?",
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"content": "Looking at this guy's comment history I can guarantee you he doesn't give two shits about the hypocrisy.",
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"content": "Nothing but if they can't debate your point it's easier to just dismiss you. I want the old liberals back.",
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"content": "I want the family values, fiscal conservative, small government, reasonable republicans back. It's too bad a bunch of rapey, debt loving, fake religious, insane people are leading the party now. ",
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"content": "I want liberalism back period. There are not many on either side that embody liberalism any more. ",
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"content": "> who has the right to call Trump a coward for ducking the draft?\n\nThat’s the point: calling him a coward for that specific thing has ground only if in your moral system people who are forcefully drafted are obliged to go and die if ordered to.\n\nThere’s plenty of other things that can be used as examples to demonstrate why exactly Trump is a coward. Using weak arguments like this just muddies the waters.",
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"content": "Pretty much everyone. He knew what his job was and in the incredibly rare instance where he was to perform his highest duty he failed purposely. It wasn't as if we plucked some random guy off the street, put a uniform and gun on him and said just walk around this school for twenty years and should there be an attack just do what feels right.\n\nHe applied for the job, trained for the job, and then failed to do it. I don't wish him harm or need to know his name but the shame should haunt him.",
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"content": "I see you're choosing to not answer the other two responses about McCain. Interesting...",
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"content": "I'm supposed to defend something I find indefensible? How about I choose to comment on what I choose to comment on?\n\nNo matter you're response how would that change anything about how the armed deputy acted cowardly?",
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"content": "sorry this is the bash trump thread\n\nthe reasonable points thread is somewhere else",
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"content": "He just spews ammo against himself, it's hard not to make fun of him ",
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"content": "Wow this guy's missing the point and purposely trying to change the subject. \nSad!",
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"content": "According to the First Amendment, everyone.\n\nIs Trump a hypocrite here? Absolutely. But that's very different from not having a right. Trump does and says plenty of awful, stupid shit. We don't need to exaggerate in order to show it.",
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"content": "\n>Is Trump a hypocrite here? Absolutely. \n\nNot really. If an someone ran from a bully once instead of getting their ass kicked would that make them a hypocrite for pointing out that security guard is a coward.\n\n",
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"content": "Trump didn't just run from a bully once - he's acted a coward his entire life, including draft dodging.\n\nThus, he's a hypocrite.\n\nAlso, this was not a security guard. It was an actual police officer.",
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"content": "I would call him a lot of things but a coward would not be one of them.",
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"content": "This isn't an isolated case, look at what he said about McCain. He has shown over and over and over that he is a coward and a bully.",
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"content": "In this case yeah Trump is right about the guy being a coward. But think back to \"John McCain isn't a war hero. I don't like people who were captured.\"",
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"content": ">Trump’s McCain comment \n\nThat’s its own separate issue though. Yes, Trump is an asshole, hypocrite, coward, etc. But this specific accusation against him is just an amalgamation of bad logic and ad hominem attacks.",
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"content": "The point is hipocrisy. Trump is calling a man a coward for being unable or unwilling to run towards gunfire, while Trump himself is famous for having avoided serving.\n\nA coward shouldn't point fingers at others, basically. ",
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"content": "I don't blame him for not wanting to be drafted, as it was unjust. But when you sign up to be an officer you are expected to put your life on the line. Huge difference",
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"content": "No. The guy isn't a coward, he just had common sense.\n\nGoing in alone he' have likely just gotten himself killed.\nThere's a reason why police usually wait for backup.",
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"content": "I read that he wasn't alone, that there were four officers there hiding behinds cars. ",
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"content": "Either way.\nNot charging someone armed with a rifle doesn't make you a coward.\n\nYou're just not braver than the average person.",
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"content": "Shhh. We're circle jerking here and you're ruining the party with you fascist reason.",
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"content": "Understood, I'll be less jackbooty.",
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"content": "And insults PoWs and says those who died in service \"knew what they signed up for\".",
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"content": "To use that against him is beyond insane. He said that those soldiers were incredibly brave and despite knowing the sacrifice, they chose to sign up.",
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"content": "Good old Republican, still trying to shine a turd. \n\nAnd how about the McCain comment",
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"content": "It was horrible and he shouldn't have said it.",
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"content": "So condemn them for being hypocrites?\n",
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"content": "Yes. I would say Trump's particular brand of hypocrisy is pretty exceptionally worthy though.",
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"content": "Why was the guy brave?",
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"content": "He wasn't. Trump has been shitting on actual brave men and women for a while now though, so taking shots at his cowardice is warranted.",
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"content": "When is not taking shots at Trump warranted?",
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"content": "A time when the violence is warranted?",
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"content": "Whenever you want. No one is forcing anyone to talk shit about that moron.",
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"content": "But the officer was not brave. He didn't do his duty, he didn't even enter the school. ",
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"content": "He was an armed guard at a school, his duty was not arguable",
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"content": "He is an actual police officer, not just a guard. That was my bad. SROs aren't police officers everywhere, I was working under the impression that he was not one.",
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"content": "Shit happens",
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"content": "He was a florida police officer not a rent-a-cop his duty is blindingly obvious.",
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"content": "My mistake then. SROs are not police officers everywhere, forgive my misunderstanding.",
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"content": "It's the same as how Ali didn't go. Ali didn't hide or make excuses. He said the Vietnamese never called him nigger now take me to jail. Trump made it look like he was unable to go and then criticizes people who did. That's fucked.",
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"content": "Because radical leftists can't advance their agenda on merit alone. ",
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"content": "Democrats aren't radical or leftist though.",
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"content": "He never said they were, he said \"Radical Lefists\" which there is an abundance of thanks to Communist/Marxist professors indoctrinating the youth.",
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"content": "He dodged the draft and told us that \"kneeling\" disrespected the sacrifice made by soldiers.\nHe dodged the draft and told us that that sheriff was a coward.\nHe dodged the draft, illegaly and told Illegals, who like Trump, feared for thier lives, that they had to be deported.\n",
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"content": "It is the hypocrisy that is being pointed out, not whether or not it was the right thing to do.",
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"content": "It's politics, they attack anyone on the other team for anything they can make a sound byte of. Even things they've done themselves, like in this case... Lawrence got a deferment. It's best not to listen to the words of anyone political, just watch their actions and eat popcorn.",
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"content": "Where did you hear O'Donnell got a deferment? I call bullshit. You're not Russian, are you?\nEdit: comments locked. He went to Harvard, he did not get a deferment. ",
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"content": "Easy friend. I didn't downvote anyone. He was attending Harvard during Vietnam.",
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"content": "I think the criticism of the Vietnam era draft was that the wealthy and or well connected could obtain deferments while the poor, or working class could not. So what Trump was able to pull off is what people find to be unjust about the draft. \nDraft dodging was a bigger political issue in the 80s and 90s than today. Bill Clinton and then maybe to a lessor degree Bush 2 were both criticized for not serving. \nMy father choose to just signup rather than get drafted. He went into the Air Force which kept him out of combat (he wasn’t a pilot). I guess he saw that as a way to avoid combat yet still serve. ",
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"content": "You condemn them when they suddenly become pro-war/interventionists now they're no longer at risk of being drafted themselves. Muhammad Ali was a draft dodger. But he also advocated not sending other people's kids to war to kill and to die for his entire life. ",
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"content": "A soldier running from battle is a bit different than a student not wanting to sign up as a soldier. Does Mr O'Donelll say anything about Bill Clinton or his many peers and contemporaries who fled to Canada during Vietnam or otherwise \"copped out\"?\n\n(silence)",
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"content": "we have no qualms with a student not wanting to sign up as a soldier, what we do have a problem with is when that same student calls other heroes cowards for not risking their own life when he certainly won't do the same.",
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"content": "Someone who chooses to be employed as a cop or security guard has been hired for that duty because they agree to that duty and the potential they may need to put themselves into the line of fire. If he couldn't deal with the job, he should have never taken it in the first place. downvote in 3 2 1 because the truth doesn't conform to your current political assassination. You are transparent.",
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"content": "I'm not saying what he did wasn't cowardly. Volunteering for a duty is different then when it's time to actually nut up or shut up. Some people, untrained, without volunteering can be heroes. Others, seasoned and trained will freeze up. You literally can't know which you are until that day comes.",
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"content": "I can't argue with your concluding remark. It 100% valid. We can't know how we will act.\n\nbut I will simply fall back on this. He chose the job. He wasn't drafted, he wasn't just a passer by. His job was to protect those children..",
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"content": "The thing for me is Bill Clinton did it as an act of civil disobedience, he knew he might get punished by the law for it. Trump just got a nice medical deferment and didn't have to consider any consequences.",
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"content": "Plus Bill Clinton isn't calling others cowards",
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"content": "Is that school cop a coward in your opinion?",
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"content": "I ave no idea whether Trump id or did not actually have a medical condition. Civil disobedience gets Clinton fof the hook? lol. How convenient. Clinton did not suffer any inconvenience either.",
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"content": "He probably would have faced some repercussions had Vietnam draft dodgers not been pardoned.",
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"content": "\"would have probably\" isn't \"he did\". it's speculative fiction since he didn't.",
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"content": " Trump almost certainly did not have a medical condition. He claims to never had surgery for it but they're gone now. Bone Spurs do not get better on their own without surgery",
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"content": "Oh! So we can see nuance and make distinctions when we're not suffering from derangement. Good to know.",
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"content": "I think that most people would have used any excuse that they could. I think that Trump is a fucking buffoon but politics doesn't need to be like team sports. ",
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"content": "Oh what a fucking surprise, someone deflects onto another person",
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"content": "It’s in the Conservative Handbook. ",
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"content": "Oh, what a surprise, someone comes along to deflect the uncomfortable reality of history. Sorry bud, I grew up during that time. and there are a whole lot of powerful people who side-stepped the conflict one way or another. Do you have even the faintest clue how many people used the educational deferment to avoid the draft?",
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"content": "So that makes it okay? ",
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"content": "it makes what ok? O'Donell targeting one member of his generation who avoided service when he doesn't do the same for others? idk, you be the judge, if indeed you can do so without partisan bias on the subject. In fact, while you're at it, maybe research O'Donell's own military service record while you're at it.",
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"content": "Because that person happened to call another person a coward for not risking their life when trump was too cowardly to join the war. He’s also criticized mccain, a POW. ",
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"content": "McCain is not the officer ~~involved~~ un-involved (apparently) in this shooting. stick to the topic.",
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"content": "How is it off limits to provide more examples of trump being a hypocrite? You don’t get to decide the rules. ",
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"content": "First amendment I guess. That and a degree of common sense. But by all means, continue being predictable troll.",
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"content": "“Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll!!!!!!”",
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"content": "\"Anyone who disagrees with my blatantly partisan attacks is wrong!!!!!!\"",
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"content": "There’s nothing partisan about this. You just chose to deflect away from Trump, as your cult always does. You can’t actually defend him. ",
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"content": "bullshit.",
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"content": "When did these people call someone a coward?\n\nYour echo chamber is leaking. ",
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"content": "It's self evident that the security guard is a coward. What are angry about?",
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"content": "Komrade? snort. You're deluded by your hate. I'm simply a 12th gen american and a 40-year registered member of the Independent party who calls a skunk a skunk when I see them.",
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"content": "Exactly! I mean, yeah, when O'Donnell himself served in the mili...oh wait.",
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"content": "can’t tell if you are a parody account or a real person ",
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"content": "\n> ... YSK that even if you stopped ALL immigration today, it is already too late. North European stock are now a minority and there absolutely no way out of this situation. Change is a fundamental part of reality. \n\nAnd there it is, revealed as clear as day. You have to go back.\n\n",
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"content": "He should report himself or his illegal friends and/or family for the good of the country that he claims to love.",
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"content": "He doesn't",
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"content": "That deputy is still a coward.",
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"content": "Yeah, but it does prove the point that a good guy with a gun isn't the answer to a bad guy with a gun. ",
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"content": "He wasn't a good guy. He was just not a bad guy. He was at best morally neutral . A good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, the problem is that 99 times out of 100 he won't or will actively make things worse. I only mention this because if we say one case disproves the theory they only have to find one to prove it. ..or at worst two.",
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"content": "A good guy with a gun who is morally good to the core can still choke or freeze up or even be a coward. ",
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"content": "The fight-or-flight instinct exists for a reason. People act like they’re impervious to base survival instincts. But in those situations, it’s impossible to predict how an untested person, regardless of their level of training, will react. /r/iamverybadass, all of them. ",
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"content": "I'm sorry but if children you swore to protect are dying in agony nearby and you can help, but do not, you have forfeited the possibility of being considered a good guy, particularly if you yourself applied for a job and accepted money, made your living for years off the very idea that when needed you would protect them. \n\nYou can choke or freeze up for a moment or two, but a minute or so in you are through the initial terror reaction and you're making active choices again. \n\nIf we allow the umbrella concept of good guy to encompass such a one as this, it's value as a descriptor is gone. while highly subjective to start with, it still has to mean something. \n\nI keep seeing all these people saying no one knows what they would do but that just simply isn't so. I know I would do something. I don't know what the outcome would be but I know I would try to affect the outcome. Countless people know they would because they have decided before hand that that is the kind of person they want to be. And this isn't bluster. I have faced death to save people in the past and would again. And I'm not bragging or saying these things to self agrandize, I did those things because I have a responsibility to help my fellow man when I can, I will not always be able to but if I can and I don't I would not be able to live with myself. I have expectations of the kind of person I will be and I hold myself to them. Edit: auto correct errors\n",
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"content": "This is really easy for you to say on reddit. Much less so when someone is actively shooting and you know that going into the school risks death.\n\nBut sure. You are a total badass who isn't self aggrandizing at all. ",
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"content": "Didn’t that guy kill 26 people before being killed by the good guy with the gun?",
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"content": "I don't think the good guy with a gun even killed him, he just returned fire as the guy was leaving didn't he?",
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"content": "I think that some people with a gun might be able to stop another person with a gun. Morallity has no bearing. A good guy firing with no skill at a bad guy could easily do more harm than the bad guy. \n \nAnd i know guys who would love to get into a shootout against an armed assailant. I wouldn't label these people as \"good guys\" even though i know they would shoot back and the media might call them \"heros\".",
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"content": "Obviously you need *five* good guys with guns for every one bad guy with a gun.",
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"content": "If anything this proves you can't rely on government to protect you. ",
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"content": "Or that adding more firearms to the situation doesn’t prevent or solve anything. ",
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"content": "Guy with gun protects himself and others from guy with gun looking to kill all of them. There, solves everything. ",
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"content": "Not in this case",
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"content": "Because apparently 4 police officers were unwilling to enter the building and stop Cruz. Exactly why you can't rely on the government to protect you. ",
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"content": "But you also can’t rely on a hero with a gun to stop him either, cop, government officials, or private citizens ",
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"content": "Stop saying his name. Let him die his final death and be forgotten.",
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"content": "that is literally the opposite of what actually happened",
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"content": "Because police officers failed to act. So you CANT rely on government to protect you. ",
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"content": "And an untrained civilian is guaranteed to respond more effectively? Delusional. ",
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"content": "More effectively than a police officer not there? Or an unarmed civilian? Yes, obviously. ",
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"content": "More effective than the trained officer that was there and did nothing?",
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"content": "That police officer is still a citizen.",
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"content": "* in this case.\n\nWho’s to say someone else wouldn’t have gone in if they had a gun? Lots of teachers tried to save the kids even without one.",
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"content": "Yep. Time to get rid of the military I guess. ",
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"content": "how? the good guy with a gun still has to *do something* just magically having a gun doesn’t solve problems ",
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"content": "Yeah. And police spend hundreds of hours training to deal with these situations, and their lizard brain can *still* overpower their conscious intentions. And we expect untrained teachers and civilians to be more effective? ",
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"content": "i am not in favor of arming teachers ",
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"content": "I was agreeing with you, and pointing out that just adding firearms doesn’t solve anything",
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"content": "No, we expect *police* to be more effective.",
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"content": "Then why suggest arming teachers and staff?",
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"content": "Ask the president",
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"content": "Is the President here engaging in this conversation?",
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"content": "Wow, troll much??",
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"content": "The president with many politicians, pundents, and citizens agreeing with him.",
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"content": "I'm begining to think you aren't patrick swayze",
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"content": "Apparently you think I'm Donald Trump, because you responded to me as if I said the things he said.",
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"content": "Did i? Must have been alternate timeline me. ",
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"content": "Not worth it, supreme court ruled they are allowed to save their own hide before others ",
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"content": "I wish Aaron Feis, who used his body to shield students, would have had a gun. I'd wager he would have overcome his lizard brain. ",
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"content": "And what’s the probability of that happening every time? There is simply no guarantee that even a simple majority of untrained civilians will react the same. ",
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"content": "Police definitely don’t train with their weapons nearly as often as many civilians do.",
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"content": "It might have been if this deputy were not a coward.\n\nWhat is the point of police in schools? Just to harrass the students?",
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"content": "Yeah. I’d like to think I’m some lionhearted superhero, but I’m pretty sure I’d have the same reaction, even if I was armed. Does it make me a coward? I guess. But I don’t “blame” anyone for not running into a firefight, even if it’s in the job description. And to think that arming a math teacher is some kind of appropriate solution to all of this is just batshit crazy. It’s not how humans work. \n\nReally puts the bravery of those kids and teachers into perspective. They were better people than most, myself included. ",
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"content": "I blame him for not trying to help students getting fire upon, he's a coward, I don't care how you try and justify his actions (or lack of)..",
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"content": "He was just outgunned. Now, if we give all the teachers grenades and claymore mines... that would make the school safe.",
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"content": "But Trump isnt the one to tell him",
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"content": "Your first priority as a first responder is your own life. If you are injured or killed you not only will not be helping anyone, you are quite likely to make the situation worse. Yes, police are becoming more aggressive in response to active shooters, but that doesn't mean individual officers are supposed to be taking suicidal or reckless actions. The sheriff is just as much a piece of shit as Trump is. He's simply using the officer as a scapegoat for his own inadequate handling of the numerous tips and reports on the suspect. What makes it even more frustrating is how it's being used by people to prop up the narrative that guns aren't part of the issue, as you can see from the rest of the responses to this thread. ",
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"content": "I love how he's the bad guy 1.B in all of this. Anything to distract from the weapon.",
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"content": "Nobody truly knows how they will be in combat until it happens. \nMost people will surprise themselves and act in extreme situations. However, there are few who freeze and it isn’t until then that they realize that they are not cut out for it.\nBe disappointed in the guy all you want. I’m sure he’s plenty disappointed in himself. \nLet’s stop attacking him though and focus on how to make sure nothing like this happens again. ",
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"content": "Yeah what the hell is this? Police don't have to protect kids because Trump didn't go to Vietnam? Really? ",
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"content": "so the war in vietnam was justified and the right thing to do?",
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"content": "Poking fun at Trump for getting out of the draft implies you are okay with a military draft.\n\nCan’t stand the current administration, but this argument makes me cringe whenever I see it.",
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"content": "It doesn't matter if you believe in the draft or not, Trump is being highly hypocritical.",
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"content": "Well yeah of course, this is Trump we’re talking about.",
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"content": ">Well yeah of course\n\nNO IT DOESN'T! I get that we're on the same side but if we allow people on \"our side\" to spout bullshit unchallenged than we're all going to be fucks.\n\n/# MakeLiberalsLiberalAgain\n\n",
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"content": "Yeah, we point it out and only people who already oppose the Trump administration’s agenda agree. If anybody is still supporting Trump after this clusterfuck of a year, they’re not going to change their mind.",
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"content": "No, I'm not ok with a draft, but if you're going to dodge it, do it honorably by burning your draft card or getting imprisoned. Not like how Trump and how Nugent did it, in cowardice. And then prance around like you're some big time hero and American icon. Fucking pathetic.",
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"content": ">do it honorably\n\n>Trump\n\n*does not compute*",
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"content": "Trump has literally said he loves war. You can’t say you love war if you’re a draft dodger. ",
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"content": "Muhammad Ali dodging the draft for the reasons he did are honourable and make sense. He also was very open about avoiding the draft\n\nTrumps only reason was fear. He still claims it's only because his bone spurs and that he wanted to go. He claims to love war and knows more about it than anyone else. He wants to start wars that would cost the lives of many soliders\n\nSo no mocking his draft dodging is not support of a draft. ",
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"content": "Exactly, what kind of free country has a fucking draft for something like Vietnam? Do we call Mohammad Ali a coward? Some probably do, most celebrate him as a legend. ",
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"content": "He dodged the draft and now pretends he is a military man. Wants tanks and a show of force for his parades. Wears uniforms he never earned.\n\nHim skirting the draft isn't what makes him a loser, it's the rest of it. ",
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"content": "you guys are pathetic .he was a sworn officer with a weapon that could have killed any human on the planet. coward coward coward.",
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"content": "Psst, the other guy also had a similar weapon and you'd run like a bitch too. ",
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"content": "Aye, but the cops took an oath and shit. Dont excuse them by comparing them to the president who never took that oath. Those police officers are fucking cowards for just listening to kids getting slaughtered. Fucking liberals 😂😂 never gonna learn. ",
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"content": "I own an AR but no argument there. Trump is a chump.",
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"content": "Those bitch ass sheriff's deserve fucking jail time. Negligence, dereliction of duty, etc. Aaaand fuck trumps bitch ass too. ",
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"content": "Clinton dodged the draft too.",
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"content": "Well, at least I have a basic grasp of vocabulary, which you seem to be severely lacking. The word you are looking for is hypocrite, not coward. All 3 people, clinton, trump and the officer, avoided danger. They are all cowards. ",
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"content": "What does Clinton have to do with this? ",
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"content": "The quote was calling Trump “the most cowardly president in history” for doing something a previous president(Clinton) also did. ",
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"content": "Why do we have to call Trump out on every single thing? I hate him as much as the next guy, but this is getting annoying. The cop is a coward, he deserves to be called one. A military draft shouldn't exist, I would've tried to get out of it too. \n\nEdit: I love how whenever the comment section doesn't agree with the point of view of the mods they just lock it, lol. ",
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"content": "How much time did Obama serve in the armed forces? Oh thats right he didn't because he was a community organizer. You know the PTO at school.",
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"content": "Trump actively dodged the draft with \"bone spur\" spurious deferments. Obama did not.",
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"content": "You know that for a fact? I doubt it. Clinton actively avoided the draft. Have a problem with that? Just because you read it on some blog or heard it on \n\"main stream media\" doesn't make it true.",
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"content": "I know this for a fact, yes. Enough with the false equivalencies, please. Trump is an idiot who has sold his soul to the Russians and cares not one whit for any American other than his own family.",
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"content": "Really? You know that for a fact. Your source? Is it a fact or just what you want to believe? You need to check your facts on who sold there souls to Russia. Does it bother you Clinton sold our uranium rights to Russia while her hubby was doing 600 thousand dollar speeches in Russia? Probably not. But some fake news sites say Trump hates babies and you run with it as gospel. ",
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"content": "Know what for a fact? \n\nTrump actively claims his bone spur story. \n\nAnd Obama didn't dodge the draft because he was 13 when the war ended.",
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"content": "tbh this is one thing that I can say I agree with him on. You sign up to be a cop your job may occasionally require you to rick your life to protect and serve, Sooooooo FUCK that guy for sitting around while unarmed children died ",
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"content": "Yeah, considering cops constantly get away with literal murder because they \"put their lives on the line everyday\", this is inexcusable. The entire point of a cop at a school is for this kind of threat, not to harass schoolchildren.",
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"content": "Right back at you child. I mean seriously he was a police office armed and trained and paid to occasionally put his life on the line to protect citizens and when the time came he didn't do anything and over 10 kids died but yeah I'm nto thinking critically for expecting him to uphold the oath the took when he was given a gun and a badge by the local government to specifically protect the school from harm that he abandoned. I have several member of the police force and armed forces in my family and they went to and go to work every day wit the understanding that their duty doesn't end at the first sign of major inconvenience. Idiots like you are like mill stones tied around the democratic parties neck . I guess the only time we expect the police to actually use their weapons is when an unarmed black person is on the other side of it ",
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"content": "I'm sure you would've ran in there, your single fire gun blazing, so you could die. Right.",
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"content": "if I signed up to be a police officer yes I would because THATS THE FUCKING JOB. Just like when a nurse goes into a room and gets pucked and shat on by somebody with god knows what disease BECASUE THAT'S THE FUCKING JOB!!! if you don't want to deal with work hazards then don't TAKE UP A HAZARDOUS JOB. as the rappers say if you're scared go to church. ",
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"content": "Most police officers wait for backup before running into a hostile environment. Maybe you're not that smart. It's part of their training. I've never seen a one man swat team. Have you? So go ahead. Be a hero, and get killed. Easy from your arm chair, isn't it.",
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"content": "yawn yeah I'm sure he was calling for backup and that's why his superiors where investigating his inaction before he decided to go in an cash n his pension. but I guess it's easy to feel smart from your armchair ",
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"content": "*semiautomatic gun. Pistols as well as the ar15 are semiautomatic. Calling it single fire makes it sound like a musket.",
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"content": "I wouldn't have a problem with Trump dodging the draft because the draft was fucking stupid and the war in Vietnam was bullshit, but he is such a prick about it and he says that he feels like he was in the military because he went to a military prep school, he disrespected John McCain's record as a war hero, he said he knew more about ISIS than the generals. He acts like he *did* serve in the military even though he didn't.\n\nAnd as for that cop, I have just a little bit of sympathy for him. He should have gone in and tried to save those students at the risk of his own life, that's the job. At the same time, though, he didn't want to die. As a cop in a school I don't think you ever expect to have to get into a firefight with a guy armed with a semiautomatic rifle, and if you aren't prepared for that it's hard to say what you'll do when the time comes. If people want to call him a coward it's cool, I don't think that's inaccurate, but they should also call every cop who shoots an unarmed man a coward too instead of defending them and pretending every cop is a hero, because they're trying to do the same thing: save their own asses instead of doing the very dangerous job they signed up to do.",
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"content": "Wow, you really hit him hard with that one...\n:yawn: ",
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"content": "That’s not even a good point. The cop has already signed up for a dangerous job. Also Vietnam was an immoral war and anyone who missed it made a good decision. ",
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"content": "Uh...aren't we supposed to want police to, y'know, involve themselves in shooting situations?\n\nThis is like when Joe Lozito was forced to stop Maxim Gelman's killing spree because the cops just...wouldn't.",
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"content": "Sound of an AR15? No. The sound of gunshots. You don't need to weigh down your statement more with the notion of a weapon boogeyman, Lawrence.\n\nAlso, what-in-the-fuck does this partisan, straw man bickering have to do with anything? Bill Clinton and Joe Biden received deferments too. Are they also cowards in this context?\n\nThe cop in question was trained, equipped, and already took an oath to protect and serve. He signed up for this willingly. So, while it may be bad form and indecent to point fingers while using him as a scapegoat in our latest school massacre witch burning sideshow, this guy is still a coward for neglecting his duty.",
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"content": "Did either of those men call others cowards for not running into an active shooting situation? Because you appear to be skipping over the part where Trump is being a hipocrite in favor of whataboutism. ",
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"content": "As much as I think Trump is a hypocrite. In this case he is both that and correct. In a situation where everyone of those gunshots was students, whom he was sworn to protect, being gunned down he chose to do basically nothing but wait for backup. In this situation he's supposed to be the one taking as much control of the situation as possible before backup arrives. Especially when others gave their lives to actually do something",
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"content": "\"If you dont go off and fight in unjust and unnecessary wars, you can't be president \"\n\nOf course war mongering democrats would think like that.",
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"content": "Yes. Democrats are war hungry. Sure thing sarge",
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"content": "Yes that makes sense because of the twist.",
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"content": "Maybe the officer had bonespurs?",
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"content": "This is wrong, It's essentially saying that if you conscientiously object to participating in the murder of the Vietnamese people because the Gov demands you kill them, you are a coward. \n",
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"content": "Then he should fucking say that\n\nNot that he has bone spurs",
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"content": "Fighting to kill people in their own country for no benefit to America vs fighting to defend children from being slaughtered.\n\nNot comparable at all.",
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"content": "When the millenials start voting (and they will) it is going to be a HUGE shake up for the Repups like Trump. ",
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"content": "Millenials have been voting for about a decade now afaik. You must mean Gen-Z",
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"content": "I’m 23 and not a lot of people my age around it are voting because we are millenials, but it’s starting to change we are coming out in droves especially these last 3 years if you check the statistics. I’m excited tbh",
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"content": "I don't think there's too many people that blame others for trying to get out of the Vietnam War. ",
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"content": "So the officer shouldn't have done his job and protected the students? Anything to smear Trump I guess!",
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"content": "I'd love to hear the explanation on how their liberalism allowed this to happen",
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"content": "Let's be honest Vietnam was a bullshit war. ",
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"content": "They're both cowards",
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"content": "You mean other than the courage to run for the office of President of The United States of America?",
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"content": "Isn't that the police officers job though? I understand the cop but then again I'm not being paid to be a police man.",
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"content": "But the sound of the ar-15 didn’t stop the teachers from helping. Pull the resource officers from school, they don’t prevent shit. ",
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"content": "Let me just put my 2 cents in.\n\nThat officer is not responsible for the deaths of anyone. He should have been there, he could have saved someone, but he couldn't. The issue is not the officer, it is the fucking AR15, and expecting US citizens to fight to the death when one has a weapon of war is bullshit",
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"content": "1. Nice reference \n2. Anything that can clear a room full of people is more or less a weapon of war",
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"content": "Is O'Donnell implying that Trump had a moral imperative to fly to Vietnam and shoot some Vietnamese?",
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"content": "But they're both cowards. ",
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"content": "FIFY the person who didn't run calls the guy that volunteered and gets paid to run then refused to when it mattered a coward.",
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"content": "We need to poke at Trump's ego this weekend. I really want to see a tweet storm.",
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"content": "Its the deputy's job as an enforcer of the law to \"enforce\" the law and keep the citizens safe. That's what they signed up for. If he stood there with the power to possibly save some of those kids and didn't use it, he is a coward. Yes, by law they have the right to save themselves before others in a crisis situation, but then what's the point of having officers, when they can leave us defenseless to save themselves? I think arming teachers is a great idea, because 1. Only teachers that are proven to be mentally stable and can pass all the gun training stuff are allowed to have one, 2. Only schools that believe they are at risk and that it is necessary for need to have teachers with guns, it is not something being forced on the school systems, 3. AFAIK, there is a rule that only a certain amount of teachers per hallway can carry guns, and none of the other teachers are told which teachers have the guns. I guess that could cause teachers with guns to shoot at eachother, but obviously rules and protocols for how this is going to work haven't been set in stone and can be improved. 4. If in that school, say 6 teachers were carrying guns, do you think that many children would have died? Its sad that we have to even consider the option of teachers shooting their own students, shooting the children that they see and teach every day, and in my mind that's the only thing that would cause a teacher to hesitate in a moment that hesitiation couldn't be an option. A lot of people would say that a good person with a gun and a bad person with a gun doesn't help anything, and I completely disagree with that. Its the way the world is that major arguments and conflicts are settled by fighting, that's obvious. Frankly, the people that think getting rid of guns entirely are small minded in my opinion, because then it's very possible that crime will go up with gangs trying to get firearms illegally, and then the general public will be defensless. There's people that say we should simply ban AR's, and I completely agree with that. I doubt the people that wrote the second amendment imagined something like this happening, but from a different standpoint, if we ban AR's, what's to stop shooters from just using pistols? Then we'll have a ban guns entirely problem in the US, and that's something we certainly don't need in a country built on liberty and honor. You may as well put liberals and conservatives in a pit together. Its a touchy subject with lots of pros and cons, but I guess we'll just have to watch how it turns out.",
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"content": "Oh gottim! Haif5 u guiz! Ban gunz & h8!!1",
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"content": "And in 9 more days we will have moved on. ",
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"content": "That’s what the riflesexuals said 9 days ago. ",
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"content": "Mark the calendar. ",
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"content": "Who are you talking to, mate?",
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"content": "This is a note to mark my calendar. ",
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"content": "Oh man! I did not know that. Thanks for the tip. ",
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"content": "Yes you can even do it for a year. ",
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"content": "Apparently 9999 years. Daaaaaamn",
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"content": "Confirmed. This is old news. ",
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"content": "Remindme! 9 days",
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"content": "Same old word play.",
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"content": "Yea, no. This is a weapon of war meant to kill indiscriminately. I encourage you to read this. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/967772423306301441",
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"content": "Oh I’m sorry, I do I need to to tell you that I’m a responsible gun owner to have a valid opinion? Any weapon that obliterates organs is a military weapon, not something anyone needs for self defense. These war machines do not belong on our streets. ",
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"content": "This all sounds reasonable but none of it is backed up by actual data, and therefore should be discarded as magical thinking. In countries that have less availability of guns there are fewer gun deaths, full stop. \n\nI own guns, no I don’t want to give them up, and as a responsible gun owner I keep them locked in a safe. I passed a bg check to buy them, waited during the cool off period, and took a safety course. It was still too easy to get them. We should be licensed just like driving cars and only the good guys should be allowed to have them. ",
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"content": "So either you agree with my right to defend myself or you don’t ",
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"content": "No one is proposing to take away any rights to defend yourself. But if you think you need military grade hardware to do that, what war zone do you live in?",
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"content": "“Military grade” no one is saying you need to be a gun owner to have an opinion, but we do ask that you have a clue first ",
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"content": "Translation: “Muh bullshit strawman!!”",
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"content": "Nowhere in that post do I see you offer anything constructive. \n\nFucking centralism. ",
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"content": "You should have your doctor check you out to see if you have autism.",
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"content": "Or check for conservatism. Hear its worse",
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"content": "Technically the state has to have the monopoly on violence in order to be a sovereign state, by definition. Even if everyone in America had a gun, the state would still control, through laws, when and why people are allowed to use violent force. If the state no longer controls the authorization for violent force, it has lost the monopoly on violence and will have ceased to function as a state.",
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"content": "Well in fairness Twitter has been banning Russian propaganda accounts and I know that's been kind of a hit to conservative accounts ",
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"content": "Conversely she likely has alot of support from foreign accounts as well....\n\nReally stupid metric to judge anything by.",
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"content": "Let's see if Democrats can sustain this pressure for long enough to actually get something done. Don't let these kids down again.",
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"content": "Let’s see if voters can sustain it, you mean. ",
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"content": "It's a two way street forf sure. Look at how much of a difference Sanders campaign made on the changing the narative on issues like single payer. Politicians have a role to play in building and reinforcing public action. If people don't believe their leaders are on the same page, or are essentially powerless it of course is going to kill momentum.",
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"content": "Bernie co-opted all that from Dems like Obama and Hillary",
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"content": "This isn’t a partisan issue, everyone needs to work together ",
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"content": "US citizens can get relatively inexpensive surplus rifles through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. ",
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"content": "Thanks for sharing. ",
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"content": "There are some people, like me, that get super depressed at times and having a gun around wouldn’t be a good idea for me. Those types of ideas don’t work when you put much thought into them. ",
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"content": "Getting more followers on twitter doesnt win anything in the real world. I will wait and hope for real change. \n\nedit: lol. By saying I will wait for real change, that didnt mean that I am sitting and doing nothing. Perhaps it was my mistake to not anticipate the cynicism.",
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"content": "Is \"wait and hope\" the new \"thoughts and prayers\"?",
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"content": "I bet you thought that was a great one liner when you hit that post button. No. It's not the same thing. As one person, I only have so much control. I can give effort and do my part but it takes a lot of people and it takes time. Just sitting around and mentally well-wishing the problem to solve itself isnt what I am doing. ",
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"content": "Oh, it's only what you said you were doing. Sorry I interpreted what you wrote to mean literally what you wrote. ",
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"content": "The recent election has shown that social media can absolutely push for a change in public opinion that affects elections and policy.\n\nCertainly having more followers isn't a victory in itself, but it's the amplification of the message that matters. \n\nYou know what *doesn't* affect anything?\n\nWaiting and hoping.",
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"content": "Someone didn't read my other response. I'm not doing nothing. I could understand if there were tons of responses. But it could have taken you a few seconds to look a little closer and see it. But I get it. Thats social media these days. Dont attempt to gain a full understand before attacking, just go for it. ",
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"content": "I would go as far as to say the vast majority of NRA supporters have never been on Twitter. \n\n",
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"content": "Or as Rick Perry would say, \"the tweeter.\"\n\n\nAfter all they're called tweets not twits. ",
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"content": "Twits would be the name of the users.",
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"content": "Tweeps",
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"content": "Twumps? ",
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"content": "Lmao the NRA has over 6 million members. Your twitter numbers don't mean a damn thing lol",
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"content": "Whoa such edginess, bro",
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"content": "Don’t cut yourself kid.",
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"content": "I'm always on the edge bro. ",
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"content": "The fact we are able to make enough noise to cause a reaction from companies and politicians against the NRA is something to be excited about.\n\nI say we flex our muscle like this more often.",
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"content": "Politicians shitting on the NRA is a pretty common thing. Companies trying to virtue signal their way into customers is a bit newer though. The NRA has given plenty of reasons not to associate with it for at least a decade. Now these companies are suddenly woke?",
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"content": "No, it’s called pressure from the public. \n\n",
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"content": "Virtue signaling is such a stupid phrase in any context",
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"content": ">Now these companies are suddenly woke?\n\nYou misunderstood the point of my comment. Nobody is saying these companies are acting in good faith, that they had a change of heart or that their moral compass is suddenly fixed.\n\nMy point is that we've found the recipe to make them do our will. If they're not going to do this willingly we are going to force them, or they'll be tossed into irrelevance along with Trump and the rest of the GOP. \n\nWe should behave this way more often. Not only towards companies, but with the rest of the GOP as well. Some people are already calling for a full boycott of the Republican party and I support it. ",
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"content": "It’s all about the voters. We need people to go out and vote!!",
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"content": "Nah I’m just about protecting the integrity of the lives of those that are actually living. See: common sense. ",
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"content": "BUNCHA CELLS JUST A BUNCHA CELLS. ",
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"content": "Yea, more or less.",
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"content": "Technically, you are also just a bunch of cells. It's not a good argument.",
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"content": "A bunch of cells that can't survive without being attached to a host.\n\nNo one should be forced to be a host.",
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"content": "Ah, so a life isn't a life if it's dependant on outside life suppirt?",
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"content": "Your focusing on the cells. I'm saying the focus should be on the woman being forced or coerced.",
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"content": "The problem is there is no solid moral justification for that. One can easily say that the focus should be on the innocent and defenseless life that is in no way responsible for the situation.\nLook, I am actually a pro-choice person. I think women should be able to choose. My opinion of that is grounded in the societal benefits of aborting unwanted fetuses. However I am also fully aware that any attempt at moral justification is extremely flimsy, as there really isn't a compelling criteria for the fetus that doesn't also apply to the concept of killing a full grown adult.",
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"content": "What you mean to say is it’s convenient. Common sense sees that too",
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"content": "If they can be beaten they can be eaten! ",
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"content": "Love her cause, but I feel social media has turned people into slacktavists. Beyond subbing, liking and up voting or making a meme, people don't really do anything real to help a cause.",
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"content": "Ditto, I'm a cynic at heart, but for those of us on the front lines, I would suggest reaching out to High Schoolers and doing voter registration drives. Hopefully we can get a few young people to not only get interested and keep the interest, but get involved.\n\nPrimaries coming up soon and of course November 6th!",
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"content": "I'm not sure if /r/Democrats is the place for you friend if you are sowing discord against us on /r/T_D",
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"content": "https://twitter.com/Emma4Change",
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"content": "Why in the world are you being downvoted?",
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"content": "Brigade",
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"content": "Trumpsters",
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"content": "I’m glad that you people believe your number of Twitter followers is directly proportionate to the amount of representation in government you have. 😂😂😂",
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"content": "Who said that?\n\nOr were you reaching inside your ass for a strawman?\n",
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"content": "Who said that? Lol\n\nLiterally YOU said that! 😂\n\n“They can be beaten” \n\nI’m dyin",
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"content": "Yes they can be beaten. \n\nDid I say we did beat them?",
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"content": "Are we still trying to measure the effectiveness of something by how many likes it gets? ",
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"content": "Effectiveness of what?",
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"content": "The “movement”. That’s what he called it. Maybe you can tell me what the “movement” is.",
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"content": "If you don’t know, not my job to educate you. \n\nOr maybe you are just intentionally obtuse. \n",
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"content": "Ok. ",
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"content": "You’re so confrontational in every post ",
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"content": "I am a sweetheart",
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"content": "I remember just last week when you were being an asshole to me and now you’ve pissed your own people off by being a moron. Strong work.",
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"content": "My own people?",
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"content": "I think the tweet is implying that her follow count is proof that she's making an impactful impression. ",
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"content": "He called it a movement, though, not an impactful impression. Personally I think he’s kind of dumb because the kardashians have more followers. I’d be willing to bet there is a page literally dedicated to asses that has more followers.",
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"content": "You obviously do, since you were triggered. ",
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"content": "\"They can be felled, they can be beaten.\"",
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"content": "Is the amount of followers on a social media website a good indicator of a political movement?",
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"content": "Worked for Bernie.",
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"content": "Yeah, just look how well it worked for President Sanders! ",
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"content": "Lol",
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"content": "Lol half of Bernie's twitter followers are bots. ",
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"content": "Half of Twitter is bots",
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"content": "Who?",
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"content": "Will be forgotten in 2 more weeks",
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"content": "I'm going to forget as soon as I got the back button.",
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"content": "Niet",
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"content": "Nyet*\n\nDo research if you’re going to be snarky ",
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"content": "трахаться",
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"content": "Damn! That's huge, considering the NRA demographic is the majority of Twitter's user base.",
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"content": "You mean Russian bots?",
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"content": "Whoosh",
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"content": "You seem to be trying to spark confrontation on social media to divide the populace... Sounds like the Russian bot is YOU!",
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"content": "They **will** be beaten. ",
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"content": "It's great she's getting attention on social media, but it that's all it took we wouldn't have a lot of these problems to begin with. ",
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"content": "Really? Why?",
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"content": "Pretty fucking simple. Get rid of lobbyists and get rid of guns",
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"content": "Look into what happened in Australia. No more mass shootings. The second ammendment is irrelevant now that there's drones. You cannot protect yourself with a gun from this government. You have to protect yourself with votes. This whole gun craziness thing is a relatively new phenomenon. Just the past few decades really. Ever since the nra became a powerful lobbyist group. \nWhy is it ridiculous to ban lobbyist groups? They undermine democracy. They have created the corperatization of America where guns can't save you from economic slavery, which is where somewhere around 30% of your fellow americans find themselves. \nYour argument is the same that's used against single payer healthcare. Its just a invalid for both arguments. Every other first world nation has these things figured out. What's so wrong with Americans that we are so far behind in spite of the fact that were the wealthiest country in the world?",
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"content": "Which is my party?",
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"content": "You really embody the new American spirit; were scared of everything and don't want to change!\nYou should really be proud",
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"content": "If you read back over the thread, you're doimg a lot more bashing than being bashed. And its kinda ironic that someone who detests hypocrisy is a trump supporter. Perhaps you should go visit trumpcritisizestrump for a laugh. \nCongratulations on becoming a new parent. Its challenging but rewarding. How do you feel thinking about your child and knowing you support a guy who is dismantling environmental protections and education so blatantly and unabashedly? \nTo be honest, im surprised a marine has such a \"can't do\" attitude",
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"content": "Your \"facts\" are trumpian lies. I think you genuinely believe them, but that really only speaks to your gullibility or plain stupidity. \nThat boatload of cash trump just gave you? Its your children's future. Price waterhouse estimates 38% of American jobs are at risk due to automation in the next decade. And it'll only get worse after that. And your idiot hero just bankrupted the government so the ultra wealthy can have more. And idiots like you can have some scraps and applaud him. You just signed your kids up to be slaves. Congrats idiot",
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"content": "Stop writing “MAGA”, it makes you look like an idiot. ",
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"content": "MAGA is a fascist mantra. ",
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"content": "Um you seem to be the one belly aching here. Have some water. ",
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"content": "Russian bots following ",
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"content": "Why do they always pick the weirdest ones? When they said her I had to look closer at the pic and see it wasn't a 15 year old boy.",
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"content": "I am sure you are gorgeous .",
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"content": "Awh thx😎 ",
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"content": "Who is this? And why care?\n",
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"content": "You pawns don't even realize what's going, another dem conspiracy to defraud us of our tax dollars has backfired and gotten school kids killed, going after the nra is an attempt to distract the public.\n\nIt's.s going to backfire, the nra is the largest grassroots movement on the country.",
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"content": "No, it’s not.\n\nMore people watch Spongebob. ",
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"content": "TIL spongebob squarepants is a grassroots movement.",
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"content": "Lmao, it means “5 million” claim is nothing now.\n\nMost Americans, and most gun owners, want the common sense laws. \n\nThe NRA is simply a radical rightwing gun maker lobby that further scares people into buying more and more guns, per capita. \n\nLike LePew said “you should be afraid!!”\n",
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"content": "/r/student_walkout",
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"content": "clicking a hashtag to virtue signals free, paying to be a member is way out of the price range of many college liberals. ",
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"content": "Whoa, your edge can actually slice through time and space!\n",
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"content": "Who are they?",
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"content": "A group of children trying to ban homework and get detention taken away. ",
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"content": "Florida 2018 Election \n\n[Primary Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): July 30, 2018 \n\n[Primary Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): August 28, 2018 \n\n[General Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): October 9, 2018 \n\n[General Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): November 6, 2018 \n\n",
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"content": "I can't wait for all the current 16 & 17 year olds to vote especially with what the kids in Parkland, FL are proving with their intelligence, maturity & determination. \nI used to tell my kid when he was young & decided picking up pennies wasn't worth it-even billionaires start counting at 1. Meaning every vote counts! ",
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"content": "Most billionaires inherit their money. So some start counting at 20 billion. ",
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"content": "You still start at one to get there. And I always thought billionaires don't do their own counting because they have people",
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"content": "you're conflating \"you\" with \"your family\"",
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"content": "Ok, someone or something, still starts at one. I, personally, always count by three. Maybe they count by 20's or 100's or whatever. Don't know, don't care. You know the point I'm making",
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"content": "You don’t have a point",
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"content": "Love Mikel, I hope he never changes. ",
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"content": "Yes! Listen to the kids who were eating tide pods last week! Best leaders ever!",
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"content": "That was a very small percentage that was eating tide pods. The media made it sound like everyone was doing it",
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"content": "Yeah because that was totally serious and not an obvious joke.",
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"content": "Trumpies think obama was President during katrina. \n\nAnd they are adults. ",
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"content": "What? Where did that argument come from?",
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"content": "From me.\n\nThe argument is, these kids are probably more intelligent than the average trump supporter. \n",
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"content": "Ahh I see now. So where are you getting this from? Because they agree with you ?",
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"content": "Well, trump supporters tend to be quite ignorant, even trump says they are the uneducated. \n\nI would bet these high school students know more about history and the Constitution than the average trumpie, who eat their own boogers. \n",
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"content": "Hard to argue with a well thought out and reasonable argument such as \"who eat their own boogers\"",
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"content": "And yet your first comment was claiming anyone in high school was eating Tide Pods.\n\n\nYou see your hypocrisy now?\n",
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"content": "Your brain doesn't fully develop until twenty five that's why till you're like twenty two you just usually act on emotion not logic the perfect democrat voter also most of these kids have never had a job also perfect democrat voters",
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"content": "user name checks out",
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"content": "I chose the names smartass and I'm not wrong on my points democrats love highly emotional non logical people and try to run a monopoly on poor people they never help just pay lip service to. democrats have done a real bang up job in Chicago and Detroit and guess what the same people will be voted in next year and nothing will change For Them. ",
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"content": "Yeah you chose the name. And it fits. Lol.\n\nChicago and Detroit? Lol. The cities are where most Americans live, where the jobs are and where most economic activity is. Where the Democrats are. \n\nThe rural, very Republican areas are dying. No jobs, no investment, drug infested, no education and poor healthcare.\n\nDo you really want to compare stats?\n\nI would send you home crying to mommy. ",
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"content": "Send em homie ",
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"content": "Where would you rather live Baltimore or Arizona ",
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"content": "Sure it was. Trumpies barely know how basic history. ",
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"content": "You fell for that shit? Here's a wake up call: The \"Tide pod challenge\" was never a thing.",
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"content": "I've been waiting for change for several decades now. It's always promised but every year I'm squeezed a little tighter. So excuse my skepticism. ",
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"content": "....or pun",
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"content": "Generation Z will destroy both partys completely. Can't wait. ",
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"content": "Amen",
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"content": "And then there’s Charlie Kirk, who literally wears diapers. ",
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"content": "Edgy AF bro, so pumped for change!",
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"content": "well they do need to vote too, I thinnk after 94 most politicians realized which side came out in ALL the elections.",
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"content": "Came here to say this.\n\nGet off you ass and vote. Or post something passive aggressive, whatever.",
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"content": "Sourced from a university of rich leftists? Does anyone even check these sources?",
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"content": "Um... it’s not a source from the university. \n\nThe university conducts a national sample. \n\nHerr derr. ",
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"content": "I would agree except that their polling is of 1000 people over 18 in the course of 5 or 6 days. That is slim pickings to say the least.",
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"content": "That is statistically relevant. ",
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"content": "I support and assault weapons ban that comment.",
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"content": "Thanks!",
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"content": "100% of Americans support posts with out grammar mistakes \"support AND assault ban\"???? Come on.",
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"content": "Don’t be that guy. ",
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"content": "Hahahah. You are a cheesie boner. And this post blows.",
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"content": "2nd amendment right, not voters. Prevents tyranny by right-wing fascists because lefties have guns too",
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"content": "Facts are that most people answering these don’t know the laws that exist, think that anyone can walk into a store or gun show and buy an automatic weapon, can’t define an assault weapon or describe why it’s more dangerous than a ‘neutered’ assault weapon, or realize that UBC’s require a federal registry that can be used for confiscation if someone like Feinstein gets elected who’s said plainly she wants to eliminate all guns. \n\nYou could make a poll that says: dihydrogen monoxide is a dangerous solvent that is poisonous and can cause asphyxiation, but our kids are ingesting it every day, should we ban it? And you would get similar results. ",
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"content": "Wow, that’s a lot of horseshit for only two paragraphs. ",
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"content": "It’s like people championing the recent Oregon law about domestic violence and guns, expanding the definition of DV to prevent more people from being able to buy. Except it was redundant. If someone committed misdemeanor assault against anyone in that state, it’s a Class A misdemeanor, which is punishable up to a year in jail. There is already a federal exclusion for that level crime. The new law did nothing. ",
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"content": "Sure sure, an anecdote now. ",
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"content": "So you tell me, why is a California compliant AR-15 less dangerous than a regular one? ",
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"content": "I don’t care.\n\nThat’s not what the OP is about.\n\nLol. You chose the wrong post for your typical circle jerk nonsense. \n\n",
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"content": "It is what this post is about. Ignorance is rampant among people trying to legislate on emotion. People say they want better laws without first knowing what laws exist, that’s exactly the point and what’s wrong. ",
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"content": "No, it’s not. That’s what you are asserting it is.\n\nThis isn’t legislating on emotion, it’s legislating on common sense.\n\n\nThe emotion comes from the paranoid fear that any gun law is banning all guns. \n\nYou assume people don’t know the current laws. It’s to craft your bullshit generalization to dismiss this groundswell of support. \n",
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"content": "The problem is what people call common sense isn’t so common when people start talking specifics. Let’s talk mandatory waiting periods. The goal of waiting periods is to reduce suicides and homicides of passion. How is it common sense to make a person that walks into a store with a gun on their hip wait 10 days? Or a woman walks in with a black eye and a restraining order, afraid her psycho boyfriend will break into her place and kill her, how is it common sense to make her wait 10 days? ",
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"content": "There can be a restraining order exception. \n\nThe exception is not the rule. \n\nThere’s your specifics.\n\nUniversal backgrounds is a no brainer. \n\n",
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"content": "If you allow a restraining order exception, then it is no longer a mandatory provision, and the whole poll falls apart. You just proved my point, you don’t support mandatory wait periods. \n\nUBC’s sound great until you recognize that requires a federal database of who owns every single gun. There are an estimated 100 million gun owners out there, about 50% of adults. There is no way in hell that anywhere near 97% of gun owners support a federal registry. Also, the people that are responsible for the most gun homicides won’t follow it because they will just sell a gun and say they lost it or it was stolen. It sounds great but won’t stop the black market. It sounds like a great idea but is clearly half baked since only already law abiding people will follow it. ",
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"content": "False.\n\nAn exception doesn’t make anything fall apart. There are thousands of exceptions to various laws that are effective and withstand SCOTUS. \n\nA universal background check does not require a registry either. It applies the same way it does now except you open up the NICS is everyone and require a check on every private sale.\n\nRegistrations have jackshit to do with it. That’s a local and state issue.\n\nI told you that you chose the wrong post for bullshit. Try again. \n",
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"content": "If you allow exceptions to a law, the law is no longer mandatory. \n\nAs for UBC’s, how do you enforce penalties if there is no database? When you find a felon with a gun, how do you figure out how he got it if there is no registry? ",
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"content": "FALSE. An exception does not negate a mandate. You can keep saying it, it won’t make it less false. \n\nThere is no registry now, and dealers with fed licenses run background checks on sales and keep records of the sales. \n\nA UBC would just expand that to all privates sales. You don’t want to follow the rules, then don’t sell guns. \n\nYou are arguing against something that is in effect now, just not universal. \n\nKeep trying. ",
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"content": "As written for the poll, there are no exceptions carved out, thus they are universal. I know you want to imply there would be exceptions but if we just made a law as the poll is written it would harm women. If the poll said mandatory waiting periods with exceptions for people holding restraining orders it would be more reflective of what people are thinking. But at this point if you vote for someone that doesn’t specify exceptions, you can’t count on them to include any. This is semantics, but words are very important and have meaning, and often people taking polls inject their assumptions without taking questions at face value. \n\nAs for UBC’s, you paint a nice picture, but it is unenforceable. Dealers only keep records for so long. After that there is no paper trail. If I sell someone a gun without a check, how can the state prove I didn’t do one years ago and the records are now destroyed? If they ask I can plea the 5th and just not answer them. The only way they could enforce is through expensive sting operations, unlikely to catch one time sellers skirting the law. Or what about “lost” or “stolen” guns? You would have to make it a crime to not report lost or stolen property, which is unprecedented and likely unconstitutional. ",
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"content": "All of that is just “nuh Uh”.\n\nStop wasting my time. \n\n",
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"content": "I’m being serious, and want to be on your side if it is well thought out, but if you can’t enforce UBC’s, then they aren’t universal. Like I said, it’s all common sense until you get in the policy weeds. \n\nStop wasting your time? Stop wasting our chances for success in elections. We could easily sweep elections if people weren’t yelling that anyone can buy a machine gun in 5 minutes, or wanting to sue gun manufacturers when someone misused their product, or harping on ‘well regulated militia’ when Madison was clear that wasn’t a requirement for general public ownership, or saying forefathers couldn’t imagine this technology when Jefferson had a rifle that held 20 shots and could fire rapidly. The party has lost its mind on this issue and it saddens me. Somehow the party of science sticks to emotional appeal when discussing the issue instead of evidence based policy. \n\nCalls to ban semiautomatic rifles are going to kill all chances in 2018/2020. Democrats are throwing away the countless lives saved through universal healthcare over 250 avg lives lost to rifles. How can we not recognize that there is no statistical association between the number of houses with guns and the murder rate, that getting rid of semiautomatic rifles (some even want to ban all semiautomatic guns, meaning practically all pistols too), would do nothing for the murder rate, yet poverty IS strongly associated, and if we swept elections by dropping gun control we could put poverty reduction strategies at the forefront of lowering violence. ",
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"content": "Just curious if this would change your opinion, you’re an advocate for an assault weapons ban \n\nMajority of firearm homicides are from pistols,shown from [statistics the FBI collected ](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2011-2015.xls) \n\nRifles make up a very small number of firearms homicide, wouldn’t common sense gun laws be to ban pistols? Objectively speaking since they account for majority of firearm homicides ",
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"content": "I didn’t say ban rifles or pistols. So what are you talking about?",
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"content": "Yeah well we don’t really live in a democracy now do we? We live in a republic, and the representatives, the GOP, don’t find it profitable to endorse gun control. ",
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"content": "We live in a democratic republic. \n\n",
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"content": "Incorrect, we live in a Plutocratic Oligarchy.",
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"content": "Context/clarification: Trump didn't retweet a tweet claiming there were child actors, but he retweeted a person who made these claims.\n\nThe retweet in question: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/967388904952344577",
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"content": "Yeah, Trump's a barrel of especially unintelligent rocks, but he probably had no idea this guy said that.",
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"content": "That's the generous explanation but he knows exactly what he's doing. He knows the seeds hes sowing and the plants hes pruning when he does the things he does. They're all... investments.",
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"content": "Possibly, but this same guy has been spouting the same bullshit about the Parkland, FL students and the fact that Trump chose this week to retweet something the dude tweeted back in 2014 is well...a little bit of a coinky-dink. Pretty obvious he's trying to point people to this notion without explicitly flouting it himself.",
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"content": "Maybe you're right. I'm certainly not in the business of defending Trump's ethical principles, but even he's probably not dumb enough to retweet an *actual* Sandy Hook/Parkland denial tweet. Probably.",
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"content": "Does that matter?\n",
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"content": "Would it be worse if he had specifically retweeted one his Sandy Hook/Parkland denial tweets? Personally, I think yes, it would.",
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"content": "It would be worse but it's still inexcusable. ",
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"content": "Can you imagine Fox News if the shooter was a black Obama supporter? The shooter was a MAGA Trump supporting white supremacist. He was radicalized on the internet. ",
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"content": "One would witness the true act of pivoting ",
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"content": "Wisconsin 2018 Election \n\n[Primary Election Registration Deadline](https://myvote.wi.gov/en-us/registertovote): August 14, 2018 \n\n[Primary Election](https://myvote.wi.gov/en-us/FindMyPollingPlace): August 14, 2018 \n\n[General Election Registration Deadline](https://myvote.wi.gov/en-us/registertovote): November 6, 2018 \n\n[General Election](https://myvote.wi.gov/en-us/FindMyPollingPlace): November 6, 2018 \n\n",
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"content": "Haha why don’t you stay out of this sub you TD FUCBOI.. unless you have something to contribute besides unintelligible blubbering :) ",
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"content": "Thanks, Boris, your contributions are invaluable.",
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"content": "LOL no fuck you!\n\n - GOP",
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"content": "Does is really matter. Haven’t they already failed this test?",
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"content": "I think it would matter if it happened to reach someone who had no idea this horrible person existed and our president relies on his opinions or is associated with him. \n\nMy elderly folks watch very little tv, and use their computer to play solitaire. They've probably seen plenty of Fox news pro trump shit, but I doubt they know who this guy is or that there are \"truthers.\"\n\nIt sucks, but they are low info voters, and Trump's bellowing and fear mongering worked on them. ",
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"content": "If we can agree this would be a powerful moment than we must also agree that asking Hillary Clinton about the death of Seth Rich and it’s unusual circumstance would be interesting as well. ",
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"content": "good idea. more gun control. but i hate congress and the president and they can’t be trusted. but take away my last form of defense from the government. logical",
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"content": "Support the troops protecting your right to stockpile weapons to murder them efficiently if need be. Ok.",
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"content": "I hear you about the totality of total gun control, but try your first line of defense before your last please",
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"content": "Logic is not pulling a strawman from your ass. ",
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"content": "But, wait: we shouldn't \"politicize\" the subject of gun ownership in the USA when violent gun-related massacres occur in the USA.",
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"content": "Fighting like children? They're fighting the children.",
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"content": "Didn't she regularly bully the shooter on the internet?",
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"content": "Why? Looking for another scapegoat so you can attack the victims?",
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"content": "Wow!!! Ben Franklin said that?!??",
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"content": "“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”\n\n-Hamilton \n\n",
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"content": "What a stupid waste of time. Let her finish her career. She's a cornerstone of the Democratic party.",
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"content": "When she voted for the Iraq war and the bush tax cuts? No way. ",
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"content": "Well then so called progressives shouldn't run candidates that are embroiled in sex scandals. Just like ones that used the NRA to get elected to Congress, which with the current environment is the kiss of death, voted against the Brady Bill and every other gun control measure and still defends voting to give the child killing gun industry a pass on being sued. So Feinstein for 6 more years and no independents for president. Personally, I rather have someone that doesn't vote for the gun industry of death which has killed more Americans that all wars the country has been in combined in its history, but that's me. Also, one that can stand up to clowns like Grassley.",
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"content": "Career politicians are part of the problem. ",
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"content": "Well that limits who should run for president doesn't it? Maybe only Trump meets that criteria?",
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"content": "How? It's going to be De Leon vs Feinstein in the general anyway since CA uses a top two primary. It's going to end up being a democrat either way.\n\nI'm from California and it's a running joke that's she's basically a California republican. The Democratic party isn't the same one as 25 years ago when she started.\n\nGo look at her voting record, it's the 2nd most conservative out of all Dems. That's a senator from California, a state that's famous for its extreme liberalism.\n\nLet them battle it out. If De Leon wins we have a solid progressive for senate, if not it's still Feinstein.",
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"content": "Considering where he is with this sex scandal, it could be the shortest stay in the Senate. Of course it doesn't matter. No one is going to chance that and give up the only senator that knows how to publicly apply beat downs to Grassley and Lindsey Graham. \n\nShe is no where near the most conservative senator either. [As 538 documents by actual voting record and not feelz,](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/?ex_cid=rrpromo) there are 21 senators voting more for the Trump agenda than her including progressive \"hero\" Sherrod Brown.",
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"content": "Thanks for the input, Ivan...\n\n*eyeroll*",
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"content": "Okay, do you have an actual substantive response or are you just going to be sarcastic?",
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"content": "Not to bright, are we?",
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"content": "The CA Democratic Party just voted against her 54%-37%",
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"content": "Haha. Her own party wants to get rid of her. No love lost. ",
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"content": "As a Democrat who ran for office in 2016, it is precisely this type of thing that makes some people distrust our party as a whole. I don't care what she said in the past, it is up to the voters in that district to decide, it's not the DCCC's job to tilt the scales or produce Opposition Research on a Democrat (unless they are literally a Republican running **as** a Democrat, which Moser clearly is not, [her husband was Obama's videographer](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/26/democratic-party-laura-moser-texas#) FFS). ",
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"content": "> distrust our party as a whole\n\n*rolls eyes*\n\nIf you don't support Opposition research being done on other Democrats, then will you agree that Leftists, including the Bernie Campaign, should follow the same rules?",
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"content": "I don’t think Bernie ran opposition research on Hillary. All that stuff about Hillary was already out there about her Wall Street speech’s and support for TPP etc etc. If you want to keep squelching the Left then be a Republican, as Democrats Are the Left! ",
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"content": "> If you want to keep squelching the Left then be a Republican\n\nNo thanks. I am a progressive. *A Progressive that likes to get things done*.",
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"content": "Totally. Anyone that isn't in lock step with you is a Nazi. Got it. Nazis were socialists by the way....just a different type then what you might identify as.\n\nLook at that..! There is a whole world out there you know nothing about.",
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"content": "*SMH*\n\nNot sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not, but there's a difference between candidates wanting to discuss issues and contrasts with each other, and official Democratic Party orgs taking sides. The DLCC, DSCC, DNC, and all state and local parties are supposed to be impartial. It is this type of interference that tilts the scales and turns massive numbers of people off to our party. ",
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"content": "> The DLCC, DSCC, DNC, and all state and local parties are supposed to be impartial. \n\nNo they aren't. And frankly, they shouldn't be. If the GOP had been more active in their nomination process we wouldn't have candidates like Roy Moore....people that embarrass the party and have severe skeletons in their closet that would prevent them from winning.\n\nThis candidate has paid a large sum of money to her husband's consulting firm. She makes fun of Texas, which a Texan politician can't do. \n\nOnly in Bernie land, the land where the DNC is *always wrong*, would you support a candidate that comes from a Beltway background and funnels huge sums of donor money into DC consulting firms that she financially benefits from.\n\nYou don't care about her...you just like bitching about the DNC. \n\nYOU turn massive numbers of people off to our party.",
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"content": "There are 7 Democrats running in this particular primary. The DCCC not endorsing this particular candidate is not some kind of nefarious scheme on their part. They don't think she will win given her past, they think other candidates have a better chance.\n\nSo sick of this \"Tilt the scales!!!\" argument that leftists continue to make. What about Feinstein? Why didn't she get an endorsement if the left is always so persecuted by moderates?\n\nGive it a fucking break guys. This is a crowded field. The DCCC doesn't want resources that should be held for the general being used in a protracted primary fight. It's not someone out to get you. \n\nhttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/texas-democratic-candidate-shes-disappointed-party-dccc-launches/story?id=53317328",
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"content": "> Then why do Republicans keep winning \n\nThey actually aren't. Dems have been flipping red districts at a breakneck pace. Every victory adds to our enthusiasm. \n\nPeople like you that spent all day yesterday crowing and cheering about Feinstein not getting an endorsement because she is a \"NEO LIBERAL SHILL!!!!!\" are now flipping out because one democrat in a field of 7 has been identified as a weaker candidate. Boo hoo.\n\nThe DNC did not give us Trump. They did not \"suppress dissent\". BERNIE LOST BY 4 MILLION FUCKING VOTES. Get out of here with your bullshit conspiracy theories and russian talking points.\n\nTrump happened because greens and progressives in 3 states decided to fuck over the country rather than vote for a liberal that beat their god king.",
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"content": "Lol",
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"content": "Hmmm should I or should I not trust someone with two “Trolls” in his username to speak the truth....",
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"content": "Trust me, all those ‘high school boys’ already were; it’s just now their life won’t be ruined by having their habits found out. \n\nOh, and if you didn’t want pot to be easily accessable, why the fuck would you vote for it’s legalization? ",
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"content": "How will their lives not be ruined? It’s still illegal for high school kids. Granted the penalty may be less severe. Also, it wouldn’t be more accessible for teens. ",
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"content": "Actually yea my bad, fair point. I was thinking it dropped to 18 to smoke marajuana; not 21. Oops! But yea no, this guys point remains even less valid; he claimed that pot legalization was bad because it gave more access to high schoolers, but like you said, it’s still illegal for them!\nI doubt they had greater access; I’d even argue that they had *less* access because with govt regulation access becomes much more restrictive",
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"content": "I for one am happy about them smoking themselves stupid. This world needs ditch diggers too!",
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"content": "but can they pass a drug test to get the job? mr. shifty shellshock crackhead can",
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"content": "Well smoking oneself stupid is a double edge sword. \n\nI would say these individuals are unfamiliar with how to study for a test and would be unprepared. \n\nMy belief is smoking pot will help in evolution. Survival of the fittest!\n\nYou can break down pot heads into two groups.\n\nThose that are productive and continue to be a productive part of society by contributing to it.\n\nThose that fail to be productive. Blame everyone for their short comings. Normally this group finds other liked minded individuals. They normally feed off one another reinforcing their belief that outside factors have kept them them from achieving any form of success. \n\nMany individuals who grew up with the worse of circumstances have gone on to achieve greatness. \n\nMany more in better positions have gone on to feed off the rest of society like a parasite.\n\nLet's legalize to separate the weak from the strong!",
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"content": "It’s pretty amusing. The lobbying effort in most legislatures for pot legalization is based around finances and not morality. Greater sales tax revenue, reduced prison costs, reduced/reallocated police costs are all very attractive to the states. Unless the Feds heavily subsidize keeping pot illegal the state’s are unlikely to change direction on this one any time soon. On top of that there is little political capital in most states to fight to keep pot illegal. Save for voters well over 70, the majority of voters came of age in the 60s or after so as a result the “reefer madness” type of messaging about the dangers of pot are just not effective.",
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"content": "But the moral fabric of America! _It's unraveling!_",
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"content": "*\"moral\"*\n\n*\"America\"*\n\nPick one",
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"content": "I don't think it's an either/or. At least not after they lose majority control later this year.",
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"content": "Democrats are horrible too. ",
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"content": "Just let me lie to myself. Come on. Why do you have to be like this?",
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"content": "Because we need change. As long as politicians can be bought we do not live in a democracy.\n\nPersonally I think we should move on from capitalism. It's causing all of the world's problems.",
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"content": "I can honestly say that the war on drugs has no appeal to this generation. However, with this the notion that nothing is wrong with pot is actually horrible. Prolonged cannabis use is a killer to your memory, and this in adolescents who may or may not be addictive in personality (weed is not very addictive, but it still is) can abuse this very quickly. It’s actually hard to count how many friends in college dropped out because they couldn’t remember their academia or even week for that matter, because they couldn’t accept that the weed was the problem. I’m all for it as a medicine, but controlled, educated doses are what makes it a medicine, the lethargy, lack of attention, and memory degradation is what slaps it as a drug.",
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"content": "I agree with the sentiment of what you are saying. You’re right that excessive habitual pot use has real consequences that I have seen first hand too. But the same is obviously true of alcohol as well and to some degree tobacco, but as a society we have recognized the absurdity of legislating an absolute ban on these substances.\n\nMy hope is that as we bring use of these drugs out of our cultural shadows we can then have more discussion about responsible use and the real side effects.",
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"content": "It was easier to get pot than it was to get alchohol in high school. By legalizing it for 21 and up, the amount of teen users should go down, not up. 21 is the key though because cigarettes were easier to get than both. It’s easy to pass for 18 at 16 with a fake ID. Not so much with 21.",
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"content": "Many would think that because weed was legalized in places (which in turn dropped prices) it would curb youth use by some loss of interest, not the case. I’ve seen firsthand that places like Nevada and Colorado still has cannabis regularly running through schools, whether it be upper selling to lowers to get by age. The real problem is as I’ve stated the curiosity of the adolescent mind. I’m simply worried that our next generation won’t be able to grow out of dumb habits as easily as the boomers, x, millennials, almost a depletion of self worth mov no into the 21st cent if you ask me ",
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"content": "I didn’t say it would stop it. But controlling it makes it harder to get. And I’ve seen numerous reports out of legal states claiming decreased adolescents use. Anyway you look at it, kids will use it. I actually took LSD(at 14) before I smoked my first joint. Alchohol was my first drug. I just find it silly that we’re still using, “what about the kids?” as an argument here. I smoked every day from 9th grade through college. I graduated high school with a 3.5 and maintained a 3.75 in college. Quit for about 10 years and started again with the recent resurgence. I use it at night and it’s a hell of a lot better on my body than drinking every night. I got gout from the alchohol and made the switch. Of course I’m in an illegal state. I have to risk my freedom just to get a nightly relaxant. It’s ridiculous when I could go buy as much alchohol as I want down the road.",
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"content": "I have no doubt that it's possible to continue to \"use\" (very lightly on that term) and succeed, im just saying for this next generation and they're predisposed bias to \"How good it is\" i feel that the negatives will be forgotten, and that's never how it should be. I don't doubt the benefits, i don't doubt it as a better alternative, but i certainly don't want people to grow up and think of something as purely good and not also hear/learn of its counter. LSD-25 is a COMPLETELY different ballgame then weed. Were talking something that has the potential to propel the human race into the next wave of intelligence, versus something that hinders it. I simply have to play devils advocate for these types of arguments, and again mean no disrespect to anyone personally. ",
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"content": "> However, with this the notion that nothing is wrong with pot is actually horrible. Prolonged cannabis use is a killer to your memory,\n\nThis science on this is pretty thin. There's one study often sited that showed long term use could impact memory, but it was recalling 8.5 of 15 items instead of 9 of 15 and it wasn't rigorously controlled or performed more than once in 25 years. \n\n>It’s actually hard to count how many friends in college dropped out because they couldn’t remember their academia or even week for that matter, because they couldn’t accept that the weed was the problem.\n\nJust as many or more probably had the same issue with excessive alcohol use.\n\n>I’m all for it as a medicine\n\nThere's some evidence that higher doses of CBD (with or without THC) can actually fix the memory issues. As such, the more we study it (rather than just saying it's bad, mmmkay?) the better we can understand and control any adverse effects.\n\n",
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"content": "20+ year veteran smoker, currently have a 3.9 GPA over 2 years while working full time and raising 2 kids, it wasn't the weed for me that caused problems the first time in college, it was the alcohol, no memory function problems. those that can't remember, can't remember sober either from my experience",
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"content": "Except for my fucking state despite it passing the ballot.",
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"content": "Jeff Sessions be like: Guns don't kill people weed kills people ",
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"content": "Don't forget the mass killings due to Porn.",
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"content": "There’s a difference though, SOLID, WELL ROUNDED NON PARTISAN education on said subjects. (Caps for importance, not being a dick) \nKids today are lectured and lost by drug education in schools, they hear that drugs are bad, but the curious mind of a teenager will ALWAYS ind a way to push the limit. It’s that strive for the unknown which pushes people over the edge. I feel that if we can educate them at a very young age of that unknown and what it holds, before during and after, then we can tackle most problems we see today regarding alcoholism, drug abuse, gateways on such, etc.\n",
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"content": "Let's hope they don't forget to authorize industrial hemp as well.",
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"content": "Ive never seen someone so scared of freedom!",
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"content": "No, he’s trying to tell you that. Literally no one believes him.",
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"content": "I really think President Trump believes the things he says. Weird, but I’ve come to think he really does.\n(So at least ONE person believes him).",
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"content": "I'm not sure you understand the problem of belief.",
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"content": "Lord give me the confidence of a draft dodger who says they’d go rambo on a school shooter",
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"content": "I believe that trump is in fact a coward and would almost assuredly not run toward an active shooter, regardless of how heavily he was or wasn’t armed. However, I hate the assumption that a draft dodger (particularly where Vietnam is concerned) is automatically a coward. There were plenty of reasons to avoid that war beyond simple cowardice, and the notion that someone interested in opting out of a politically motivated overseas war would therefore refrain from protecting innocent children in an immediate domestic crisis is drawing an unfair correlation between two very violent, but very different, scenarios. ",
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"content": "I believe the disdain for his draft dodging comes from his political beliefs aligning with the Hawks of that era, instead of the Doves. The only reason he would have to avoid the war would be cowardice, not because of being anti-war or anti-capitalistic regimes or anti-police power. He is pro all of those things as of late. ",
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"content": "Exactly. ",
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"content": "Tes Nugent didn’t shit himself because he loved freedom. ",
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"content": "But, what about those bone spurs?",
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"content": "Where is this picture from? Is there video that goes along with it?",
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"content": "[Enjoy! ](https://youtu.be/M41aZX5ijVM)",
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"content": "Sweet Jesus, how did I not know about this??? Thank you!!!",
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"content": "Almost went with [this](https://tenor.com/view/trump-scared-wimp-ungreat-gif-6195937) ",
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"content": "I thought it was a direct reference to the daily clip show I just saw.",
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"content": "No i dont think he would...but I would expect armed deputies to go!",
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"content": "I don't think there's anything wrong with the natural instinct to not run toward the sound of gunfire. It's only human. The people who do are extraordinary, they are our first responders, either highly trained to ignore their natural instincts, or highly unusual individuals. He could have never claimed this and no one would have faulted him for it, but he had to make things worse for himself by claiming something everyone knows isn't true. He has zero emotional intelligence.",
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"content": "No one believes he can *RUN* let alone that he'd run toward danger. ",
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"content": "Florida 2018 Election \n\n[Primary Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): July 30, 2018 \n\n[Primary Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): August 28, 2018 \n\n[General Election Voter Registration Deadline](https://registertovoteflorida.gov/en/Registration/Eligibility): October 9, 2018 \n\n[General Election](http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/absentee-voting/): November 6, 2018 \n\n",
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"content": "I think the most laughable part is his claim that he'd run.\n\nDude can't even walk a few blocks at the G7 meeting, he's morbidly obese, elderly, and eats a junk food diet. If he ran few steps he'd probably collapse from a heart attack.\n\nThough, and I've got to be honest here, much as I hate Trump I can sympathize with the cringing from the eagle. Raptors are fucking scary, I'd cringe away from one being aggressive at me too.",
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"content": "More likely he would do [something like this](https://loribonfitto.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/dead-zone-ending-greg-stillson-holds-baby-as-shield-brooke-adams-charlie-sheen.jpg).\n\n",
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"content": "E A G L E S - Eagles!",
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"content": "When your hearing is shot to hell you may hear echoes from behind as if they where in front. So .. maybe?",
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"content": "To be completely honest, a FUCKING BALD EAGLE flying in would startle anyone.",
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"content": "Yeah. [Total coward.](https://i.imgur.com/LXcod95.jpg)",
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"content": "I read somewhere else he has a habit of paying people to vouch for him in certain cases. Unlikely here but I wouldn’t be surprised.\n\nAlso he looked good a while ago. Even better before this picture was taken. Now he’s a orange ball",
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"content": "He did stop a mugging in NY once. I bet he would run into the school unlike the Cowards from Broward ",
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"content": "He did stop a mugging in NYC, so it wouldn't surprise me. ",
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"content": "I'm fucking dying at his face hahahaha amazing screen capture",
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"content": "What would I win if I repost this to the r/the_donald?",
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"content": "🙄 \n\nYour account is suspect btw. I’m sure you really care about Laura Moser, constant poster in r/australia. ",
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"content": "Sure, redditor for eight months, I'll bear that in mind.\n",
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"content": "Well... I’m not trying to sow discord amongst democrats in r/democrats. So... ok? People can decide for themselves. ",
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"content": "Indeed they can.\n\nBut please note that the idiocy of US politics affects its vassal states, too.\n",
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"content": "Sure. I concede that. \n\nBut, why this article, in this sub then? Are you familiar with this race at all? Do you know any of the specifics? This is a democratic primary race, to decide who eventually runs to represent one Texas district in the House of Representatives. This is for the people\nWho live in this district in Texas to decide. Why would an Australian feel they need to post this article in this sub?\n\nWho wins this democratic primary doesn’t have any real impact on your ‘vassal state’ (probably wouldn’t ever call Australia that, but whatever). \n\nWhat’s more, this article is written by someone who is far to close to the subject, Laura Moser, to be giving an unbiased opinion. What’s more, she did write those things, she had said those things, and she did live outside of the district for a long time. Pointing out those things is hardly ‘attacking’ her. Because should she be the nominee those things will surely be used to attack her. \n\nThis is just someone else pushing the ‘muh Democrat disunity’ narrative. You’ll forgive me if it looks like a foreign interest is trying to push that idea here. ",
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"content": "I saw the article in a subreddit I moderate.\n\nIt was interesting, and I read it.\n\nAs it relates to the operation of the democratic party, I thought it would be interesting to people in here, too.\n\nYou seem to have a very blinkered view: to you this issue is only about a single primary election, whereas to me it raises issues related to the core values of the democratic party.\n\n> You’ll forgive me if it looks like a foreign interest is trying to push that idea here. \n\nHa ha, is that some kind of a joke?\n\nAn Australia guy posts to your subreddit, and you start battening down the hatches?\n\n",
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"content": "Uh, no it’s not a joke. \n\nThis has been well discussed here. ",
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"content": "smh",
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"content": "Reddit has a very big problem with paid reddit campaigns, especially in regards to politics. It would have been much better for the integrity of the site and psychological wellbeing of the user base if they banned all of these campaigns, but I heard once that the site needed to make a return on investment and was running out of options for how to make that happen. It's very comforting to know however that soon all of the Russian campaigns will be gone, so that American business can grow.\n\nThat’s cute, keep editing down my post, you fachists.",
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"content": "What part of my submission are you saying is part of a paid disinformation campaign?\n",
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"content": "Maybe just give them the option of carrying a weapon? Problem solved and nothing needs to be knocked off.",
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"content": "What about the schools that don’t make that choice?",
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"content": "What choice?",
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"content": "Not to carry. ",
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"content": "Then they make the choice to not allow teachers to open carry. It's a free country man.",
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"content": "Then that doesn’t solve the problem, does it?",
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"content": "Which problem? Can you stop being so vague please.",
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"content": "School shootings, the only problem that has been talked about this entire thread. Which the advice, \"more guns will cause less shootings\" should be obvious in how wrong that is. Less guns would cause less shootings, every nation with that application has seen that effect, no nation that has armed it's populace has seen less shootings, only more.",
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"content": "There are schools where teachers carry weapons. We don't hear about them. Guess why? They're not a problem.",
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"content": "More guns = more shootings. Keep crying against reality, it doesn’t change it. Every observable metric bears this out, your gut feelings isn’t enough to counter that fact",
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"content": "Do some research about places that have strict gun laws please. Even other Countries murder rates if you would. As soon as guns are made illegal there is usually a small spike in murders then it drops back down to pretty much exactly where it was. Sure guns aren't being used to kill people but the same amount of people die. Making guns illegal won't save lives. Less shootings might happen but you're not going to save more lives. So in reality what are you really doing besides mostly disarming law abiding citizens because of the few bad apples?\n\nEDIT: I just know that when someone comes in a school with a gun they shouldn't have and the intentions of murder that someone else should be able to defend the 100's-1,000's of kids in the school with a weapon of their own. I don't think throwing a chair or running at them with a knife will do the job.",
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"content": "[China is almost 5 times less murder rate](http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/China/United-States/Crime)\n\n[Australia has had almost no mass shootings since gun reform](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia). \n\nBritain is another example, Japan. \n\nNow you cite a study that shows more guns causes less shootings. Cite anything towards your gut feeling on the issue. I don't know why you think teachers are magic people with different urges than any one else, even if it wasn’t a teacher all they’d need to do was leave their gun in a desk for anyone to grab, or get over powered by a student. Its a thin contention to say the least.",
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"content": "If you really want to reform something that saves lives maybe look at how Germany makes it so hard to get a drivers license. Look how easy it is in America. You know how many people are killed each year by careless drivers in America compared to Germany? Why not just admit you hate guns and will do anything to get them out of the hands of everyone. I'm willing to bet you'd be the type of parent that if lets say kids are outside playing with sticks as swords. All of them are having fun...all but little Billy. Billy is upset because he keeps losing the battles. Kids are hitting each other kinda softly with sticks...something I did when I was younger. It's all fun and games until little Billy is mad that he lost 5 in a row and he wants to go rage mode and smack everyone as hard as he can with his stick. You think all the kids should lose the privilege to play with sticks? Or should it just be Billy? I agree some slightly stricter gun laws would help some. For example 21 for semi-auto, and handguns. Bolt action and shotguns for under 21. No more gun show loop hole. No more selling guns in the McDonalds parking lot. But don't go after \"Assault Rifles\" that aren't even assault rifles because of a few people that can't handle it. \"What do you need a gun that shoots so many bullets so fast\" Well... you could YouTube some videos of people hunting areas that are infested with hogs.",
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"content": "To be honest I have to agree the murder rate in China is a lot lower. After they disarmed their citizens they killed millions of them. Maybe that's what America needs. ",
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"content": "Where are your stats for anything you're claiming? Australia is lower, Japan is much lower, Britain.... Where are your studies that support anything you're suggesting?",
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"content": "Yes lower. But if you look at what the rate was before they had strict gun laws and after the strict gun laws there is a small spike in the murder rate then it levels out to practically the same.\nSo I will admit I haven't read THIS article yet I just did a quick Google search and found it. I'm not sure about how good the content is and yes I'm being lazy because I have to do your research for you. I've read this kind of stuff before but now you're asking me to find it again. I don't just save all the shit. https://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/",
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"content": "Chicago is your example? Where you can drive half an hour and buy any gun you want? That's not an example, also your opinion piece is inaccurate, UK has much lower murder rates, as does Japan, China, any country with stricter gun laws has lower murder rates. ",
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"content": "Like Australia? Their mass shootings went to almost almost none (like 2 in a decade, where America averages one a day), after their epidemic hit a fever pitch. Their gun control laws were very loose before",
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"content": "[I thought you said armed teachers would fix everything?](https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-second-teacher-of-the-year-fires-a-gun-inside-his-school?ref=home) Let's stop the nonsense that more guns cause less shootings, there is nothing in the world that makes that make sense.",
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"content": "I don’t want *anyone* with a gun near my kids except trained law enforcement.",
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"content": "Well when an untrained kid brings a gun to school and shoots at my kid I want a teacher with a gun to be able to attempt to protect them if they choose to.",
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"content": "There are other ways to address that problem without putting more weapons in the hands of untrained civilians. There are so many ways that could go wrong.\n\nA gun in a house is far more likely to kill a family member than anyone else. What makes you think a gun in a school would be any different?",
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"content": "Why not look into some of the schools that already let teachers carry guns? See what goes wrong at those schools vs the schools in the area that are not allowed to.",
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"content": "Care to link a reliable source? The fact that a handful of schools haven’t had incidents yet doesn’t mean no school ever will. Has a serious study been conducted or are we just looking at a few empirical data points?",
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"content": "Fuck it. I'm done arguing with 6 random strangers on the internet. I'm not changing your POV and you're not changing mine. It's pointless. The fucking arguments against teachers having the OPTION to carry a weapon are so fucking stupid. ",
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"content": "So I guess that’s a no then?",
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"content": "I was interested in your point of view until this comment. ",
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"content": "I stopped caring right before *that* comment.",
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"content": "There has already been an incident where [a teacher left her loaded gun in a bathroom](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-teacher-left-gun-in-bathroom-elementary-kids-found-it/).",
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"content": "This is literally a non-argument in light of how statistically rare school shootings are.",
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"content": "What if the teachers wishing to carry weapons had to have appropriate training to do so? ",
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"content": "Newsflash: 1 in 20 American adults is licensed to carry a concealed weapon. In (most) states that aren't overtly hostile to gun ownership, the number is 1 in 10. \n\nYour kids are near armed people every time you're out in public. They just don't tell you who they are. ",
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"content": "I used to coach my kids' soccer teams. Three kids. Two practices and a game each week for each one of them, every spring and fall, for 6 years. \n\nWith a Taurus TCP in a pocket holster, zipped inside the back pocket of my shorts and looking like a wallet the entire time. Nobody knew I was armed but my family. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Yeahhhh my kids wouldn’t go to that school.",
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"content": "What's the real problem with it? How else do you suggest we protect our kids?",
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"content": "When I was in the seventh grade my choir teacher had an emotional outburst and threw a chair at a student (he missed, no worries). What if he had had a loaded Luger?\n\nEdit: Ruger/Luger I always fuck that up.",
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"content": "He probably would have thrown a chair at a student.",
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"content": "Orrrrrrrr maybe he would have fired off a couple desk-pops. Or maybe he would have shot a kid. You don’t fucking know. What we do know is that chairs are not as lethal as 9mm’s.",
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"content": "Neither do you. So why are you making up a story about something that didn't happen?",
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"content": "> what we do know is that chairs are not as lethal as 9mm’s",
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"content": "Are you suggesting your choir teacher would have shot a student? ",
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"content": "No, I’m suggesting that chairs are less lethal than firearms",
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"content": "You posed a question. Can you give your own answer for what would have happened had the teacher had a gun? ",
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"content": "No I don’t fucking need to, pal. My entire point is that you can only speculate in that scenario whereas it’s impossible to shoot someone without a gun.",
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"content": "Arm the teachers with chairs!",
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"content": "The NRA is fapping to the idea of the government having to buy 700,000+ guns for teachers to walk around with. I'm a teacher who would give his life for his students, and I don't need a gun to do that. Having more non-law enforcement people walking around with guns during a active shooting is only going to get more people killed. We have more than enough to worry about, and having to check out a gun at the start of the day is not a option. ",
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"content": "Since when does every teacher have to carry a gun? You do know a lot of teachers already have their own weapons at home right? Why not make it a \"bring em if you got em\" kinda rule? \"Hey teachers if you want to protect yourself and your students we now allow you to carry firearms.\" Why do you have to make up this plan to buy 700k+ firearms? Stop going to an extreme to make a problem worse than it is. Why not look at something rationally for the first time in your life?",
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"content": "Why don’t you look into why police don’t have a “bring em if you got em” kinda rule.",
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"content": "Thank you! I honestly can't with these people. Why don't teacher just bring their own guns?! LOL, Someone please take care of this light work for me. ",
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"content": "No ones arming the teachers. The teachers who are trained and licenced can now protect themselves and thereby those around them while at work. U can't really think they're giving guns to the teachers",
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"content": "There isn’t really any other option for the system to work. The biggest problem is accounting. You need to know whether a gun was fired. The second biggest problem is training and safety. You can’t just allow any gun into a school. It’s easier (and probably cheaper at scale) to issue weapons than to inspect every personal weapon. Finally, it’s easier to train and test proficiency.\n\nSeriously, why would it be ok for teachers if it’s not ok for cops?",
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"content": "Again. No one is arming the teachers. The teachers who have concealed carry licences can carry at work... any teacher who doesn't already have one can apply and be trained and certified, but no one even considers giving guns to random teachers",
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"content": "Ok so we’re just completely ignoring arguments and talking past one another now? Cool. I’ll play ball.\n\nLet’s just assume a perfect world where every teacher with a concealed carry license is a saint and would never hurt anyone. What happens when a petty student claims a gun was pulled on them, or was fired? How does the school respond?\n\nPolice determine whether a gun was fired by accounting for bullets. How would you do it? Or are we just supposed to ignore this obvious deficiency along with all of the other obvious risks?",
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"content": "Police do not determine whether a gun was fired by accounting for bullets. If this was the way they did it, any cop could go down to his local sporting goods store, pick up a couple boxes of the same rounds, and top up when he wanted to hide a discharge. \n\nNo, when they suspect an officer has fired his weapon inappropriately, they take it into evidence and conduct a forensic examination. Which is the same thing that would happen to a teacher so accused. ",
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"content": "Like really you can't win with these guys. They honestly think solving our gun issue is more guns. And if by some miracle they let a teacher bring their own gun, the gun would have to meet all qualifications to be allowed in a school. Police departments go through years of gun testing ensure those guns are effective, safe, affordable, and reduced collateral damage. The average handgun used by citizens don't meet those requirements. You can't just allow any type of gun into school. So, the only option is for the school districts to give a standard issue weapon. There is no other option! ",
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"content": "That's absurd. The teacher is the licensee. The teacher is responsible for all those things, not the school. \n\n>The average handgun used by citizens don't meet those requirements.\n\nYou think there is a difference between a police-issued handgun and a privately owned handgun? My local police department issues the 4th generation Glock 17, and 124gr Speer Gold Dot hollowpoint ammunition, which is exactly what I carry. \n\nIf you want to find a safe handgun for concealed carry, look at what the nation's 16 million concealed carriers are holstering every morning, and how few problems they are having with those weapons.\n\n",
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"content": "This is simply silly. The state licenses the carrier. The school is not involved in the decision to carry. At least, they shouldn't be. ",
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"content": "You can't really think they are giving state owned firearms to the state employees... Lol come on use your common sense. Seriously! No different than government issued guns for the police. ",
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"content": "Brother. All it is is what used to be a \"gun free zone\" now isn't. That is all. Regular rules apply like everywhere else in America. No one is giving singe random teacher a gun because he/ she has a teaching degree. Now if that same person has a conceal license already then they can protect themselves. If not, then they can apply to be trained and certified, but *no one is allowed to carry a firearm in public and especially a school without a proper licence*. Are u suggesting theyre issuing conceal licenses with teaching degrees? ",
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"content": "Are police officers with concealed carry licenses allowed to carry their personal weapons while they’re working?",
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"content": "Differant departments have their own guidelines. A major city would most likely only allow issued firearms while on duty, but again each municipality can do however they see fit and want to structure their rules. Smaller towns in contrast generally will more often allow personal firearms as there tools for when on duty. Im confused how police standards apply to this subject. The only thing being proposed in changing here is removing the \"gun free zone\" restrictions from schools where the local/state government permits it. This isn't a federal mandate or anything, more a strong suggestion that allowing people to protect themselves would also help protect the surrounding people (the students). For instance, the coach who was killed there was a licensed conceal carry holder. Had he been able to protect himself at work, who knows how that would've gone down, but it's very likely even if he hadn't been able to save his own life, the killers plans and timeline would have been altered. Again, all removing the \"gun free zone\" does is allow conceal carry license holders to carry. And were talking about trained background checked individuals. These licences aren't as common as u think. How many people do u know with one? No one for a second thinks of just arming dozens of people are schools. Just if someone there happens to be licenced to carry, they are now allowed to protect themselves in those areas now which were formally restricted (schools where the local/ state government decide to remove the gun free zone tag)",
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"content": "In my area, you can carry what they issue, or a comparable, personally-owned weapon. They allow 9mm, .40S&W, and .45ACP for a primary weapon. I don't know what barrel length they require. Backup guns can be chambered the same, or revolvers in .38sp, or .357 magnum, and don't have a minimum barrel length. \n\nAt least that's what a local cop once told me. \n\nCops don't need a concealed carry license to carry concealed. They are covered under LEOSA. ",
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"content": "Having a concealed carry permit does not give someone the psychological ability to handle intensely stressful and dangerous situations. You see that with cops who are specially trained to handle these types of situations and still panic and miss more often than they hit. In a school full of children that is an incredibly bad idea. \n\nI know enough people with CCL's that I wouldn't trust to hit the broadside of a barn from inside the barn. The entire notion of arming teachers is so incredibly fucking stupid on so many different levels.",
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"content": "Im sorry kind sir or madam to disagree. CCLs aren't for everyone, so i understand if one isn't comfortable with it. But if someone sees the need and passes the background checks and training to recieve such a license, i say good for him/her. I disagree with the notion that CCL holders are useless and would do more harm than help in an event such as we saw in Parkland. It really is a scary world we live in. All we all want is our kids to be safe. ",
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"content": "My dad passed his...with Alzheimer's. They seriously couldn't tell he wasn't cognitively able to own a weapon. I have since taken possession of all of his firearms, but damn. I thought it was supposed to be a difficult test. At the time he was failing the three word repeat back test and still passed to get his CCL. ",
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"content": "I understand the sentiment, and I think that is our common ground here. The only difference is that in the event of a shooting, I do not believe that having more bullets flying is the proper solution. The NY police department has a hit rate of 18% in firefights. That’s 82% misses. In crowded hallways around terrified children. Also, the teacher probably has less training than the NYPD. \n\nNow, this is also assuming that the armed teacher will be in the right place at the right time, which is not very likely in the first place. Our world is nowhere near perfect, and things don’t happen the way we wish them to happen. So more likely than not, a lesser trained teacher with a ccl will either cause more harm, or will not effect the outcome at all. \n\nLet’s all take into account the human factor. I know I wouldn’t willingly run towards gunfire. That doesn’t mean no one will, because there are people that selfless. But even if they did, the stress of that situation would be incredible. You’ve got terrified children, a madman with a gun, and we expect our teachers should be able to handle that situation without making ANY mistakes? Because a mistake means someone’s son or daughter dies. \n\nUnder extreme stress most people (without the training to handle the situation ie., military) will panic, lose their ability to handle their firearm to their best potential, and end up making less rational decisions because you don’t have the time to think. I don’t want this happening in our schools. \n\nWe can not put this much responsibility on the shoulders of teachers.",
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"content": "Thanks for well thought out response. Go Stars btw 😉 i don't think were mistaking a CCL license holders for Navy Seals. I totally see your point and agree. I don't hold anyone armed responsible for stopping psychopaths with murderous intent immediately without error. But as it stands the shooter can either run out of bullets or bodies until someone else armed steps in - as we saw in the church shooting in Texas a bit back. For me, the point is gun free zones only affect those following the law. It makes a so called \"soft target\". For the psychopath with intent on as much damage as possible it affords us zero defense but to run or try to attack unarmed, and to many of us thats unacceptable. I really honestly appreciate your kind response. God bless u",
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"content": "Another important thing here is that this is being left to local governments. A lot of schools won't adopt removing the gun free zone restrictions, but should a state or city or school district think this helps protect our children, they now can remove the restrictions placed on being a gun free zone. This is a big point i think some miss. It's up to the local governments to decide how to go about protecting our children how they see fit. Certainly some schools will reject the notion whereas others will remove the restrictions...",
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"content": " At, say, $500 a handgun, that makes it $350M in gun sales. That’s a huge chunk of change for the NRA in terms of donations by gun manufacturers, retailers, and “enthusiasts”.",
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"content": "No, the actual proposals are simply for the subset of the nations 16 million concealed carriers who happen to be teachers to be allowed to carry their handguns at work. (To put that in perspective, there are 1.1 million law enforcement officers in the US.)\n\nThe proposals are **not** to force teachers to carry, or to pay teachers to carry, but simply to allow them if they want to. (Trump might want all teachers to carry, but he's an idiot and no serious proposal actually calls for this.) \n\nDon't pretend you speak for your entire profession when you state your desire to remain unarmed. Ohio leaves the decision as to whether or not teachers may carry to the school board. When an Ohio sheriff offered concealed carry classes to teachers and staff in his county last week, his 50-seat class was filled in 20 minutes, and the wait list was 300 long before he stopped accepting applications. A hell of a lot of your co-workers are very interested in these proposals. \n\nYou say you'd give your life for your students. Great. Do you think your Jesus or something? Do you think that your death just magically protects them from the asshole who killed you? Or is he just going to step over your lifeless corpse and kill them anyway? \n\n",
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"content": "If a teacher signs up to carry a gun in school, it’s a sign they shouldn’t be a teacher and the State Board should revoke their license. They can go apply for Police Academy.",
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"content": "someone wants to help people in more ways then one by combining their ability to teach AND defend, eat a dick.",
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"content": "Are you actually insane? I'm just wondering because logic would determine that if someone has a concealed carry license as many of us law abiding citizens do, and they also happen to be a teacher, then allowing them to carry said firearm in school as was the case 20 years ago, would prevent many children's deaths. Look at Israel for reference. ",
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"content": "We’ve hired 10,000 cops to carry in schools since April 20, 1999. They have stopped 0 shootings. They did build a nice school to prison pipeline though...\n\nYes, I agree. Putting guns on teachers is “actually insane”, which is why those people should be as far away from children as possible. We don’t need Rambo mentalities in our buildings. As a teacher, I can safely say 95% of staff will resign the moment staff carry inside the building.",
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"content": "I suppose there's nothing wrong with giving teachers the option to concealed carry if they wish. If anyone would take gun ownership seriously and practice proper gun safety at all times, it's educators.",
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"content": "Trump actually said that he only wants willing and capable teachers to carry. As an example he spoke about former members of the armed services, who have been trained by our military to be effective in stressful situations, should not be prohibited from carrying while on campus. It was a very reasonable approach. He stated this during the meeting with state governors about gun issues.",
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"content": "Does their plan including forcing librarians to buy silencers?",
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"content": "Lol!",
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"content": "And muskets for the history teachers!",
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"content": "Depends on what history they are teaching.\n\nMedieval History = Yew longbow with sinew bow string\n\n16th century = heavy arquebus\n\n17th century = Flintlock Pistol\n\n18th century = Blunderbuss \n\n19th century = Colt Model 1860 New Army",
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"content": "Seriously. Fuck off.",
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"content": "Don’t be fooled. \n\nJust as Republicans blame crying high schoolers on a democratic agenda the truth is Republicans and gun advocates are using this tragedy for their own agenda just as much. \n\nTo suggest that teachers be armed...as Trump puts it “not all of them”, Republicans are implying that a civilian position or “title” can be allowed to openly carry. Not just a citizen group that can openly carry but in one of the most sensitive areas too (they have no firearm signs all over school property), we want to protect children. \nSo once this is accepted it’ll be easy for other areas to acquire open carry as well because “...well they do it at elementary schools..”\nSoon many pubic areas will be fair game for non-active military and non-police personnel. \nBasically gun advocates and owners will be allowed to openly carry. THIS IS THEIR END GOAL. \nEven more disturbing is Republicans implying that we should choose who gets to own a gun. Mentally ill people sure, but who will determine that? Medical tribunal? That’s also a slippery slope to see who else doesn’t get to own fire arms. \nYou combine that with the fact that many Republicans and gun advocates WILL be the gun carriers, you’ve got yourself a politically polarized gun group. ",
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"content": "Umm... You already **can** openly carry in [most states](http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/nov/18/marion-hammer/there-are-45-states-allow-open-carry-handguns-form/), and have been able to for decades.\n\nExcept for very rural areas, virtually nobody actually openly carries, even though they are allowed. For various reasons, virtually nobody wants to carry openly. Even the push to allow it in Texas a couple years ago was really only to decriminalize inadvertent exposure of a concealed handgun. \n\nSince 2001, the push has been for *concealed* carry. And since then, the number of concealed carry licenses has grown from fewer than 1 million, to well over 16 million. Nationally, roughly 1 in 20 eligible adults is licensed. In several states, more than 1 in 10. \n",
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"content": "Wait. So you want to protect the children by not protecting them? Texas has open carry laws. Not many \"wild west\" stories flying around eh? Also teachers would be the only ones who could \"concealed carry\". Not all of them, just the ones who willingly want to. Not everyone is spineless like the majority of Dems. You draw it like they want to arm every man woman and child. Smfh. The arguments here are stupid.",
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"content": "That’s part of the problem. The people who want to carry willingly, it’s apparent that the gun advocacy group is politically polarized in America. Unfortunately much like our military and police agencies are now. They aren’t exactly liberal-types and therefor Democrats. \nRepublicans and gun advocates want to push for open carry in all places and they want Americans to walk around like fucking Clint Eastwood with their six shooter on their hip. \nPrimarily because they want to intimidate all those who oppose them, anyone whose not a white nationalist Evangelical, politically or otherwise. \nThe “Wild West” is a gun advocates wet dream. \nAre they teachers or law enforcement? Can’t do both effectively IMO. \nArming teachers is ridiculous and they are using school shootings as means to push their agenda of destroying gun regulations. ",
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"content": "You really need to lay off of the movies and news dude. No one wants to walk around with a six shooter on their hip. We want armed security in put fucking schools. Ffs they protect money and jewels with guns. Why not our babies? I carry a gun. I'm not security or a police officer. And I'm sure the fuck not Clint Eastwood. I'm a regular dude who realizes that the world is not full of rainbows and sunshine. You people are the most one sided people to talk with.",
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"content": "Ah yes. The trained deputy does not know where the sound of the shots are coming from despite being right outside, but we should definitely arm teachers. It’s not like the teacher might accidentally shoot a kid or two running away from the shooter that looks like a threat. Not like a little kid might panic and run into the line of fire. \n\nWhy stop there? Give everyone surplus M1A1 Abrams from the Gulf War to stop the next terrorist attack they see on the road with no training. Arm commercial airliners with air-to-air missiles to take down other hijacked airliners. Give little children machetes to take down bullies. Supply every concert-goer a Barrett .50 caliber with 8x scopes and bipods. It goes on and on.\n\nWe don’t even pay teachers enough for teaching right now, but the NRA expects them to carry the burden of carrying a firearm to take down a school shooter without accidentally hurting anyone else? Yeah right. I’ll only support this idiotic idea if the GOP cut military spending to finally increase the education budget (which will never happen).",
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"content": "There's a bit of a difference between running toward the sound of gunfire, and barricading your students behind you, taking cover, and hoping that if the bad guy comes through the doorway, you manage to shoot him before he kills you. \n\nThe former is what the cops are supposed to do, and don't (at least not in Sandy Hook or Parkland), and the latter is what teachers should be doing, but can't. (Except in certain school districts in 18 states). \n\n",
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"content": "Again, this ignores the fundamental issues of teachers not having the split-second decisions officers are trained with. Will they shoot if an innocent student rushes in holding what appears to be a firearm? What if the shooter hides the gun to try and enter the class? What if the shooter pulls the fire-alarm, like in Parkland, forcing everyone out of the classrooms and into the hallways? There are too many what-ifs to have teachers armed.",
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"content": "So, better for them to just die than offer effective resistance. Gotcha. \n\nThese concerns have been raised every time a state has adopted concealed carry. Time has demonstrated these concerns are overblown. \n\nThe simple fact is that concealed carriers have a **better** record when it comes to those snap decisions, because they are present when the attack begins. They necessarily have better situational awareness than the cops who know nothing except what a caller told a 911 dispatcher in a panic, who then relayed that message to a police dispatcher, who then relayed it to the responding officers while they were distracted by trying to drive to the scene. \n\nConsider the police response to an uncooperative student, compared to the response of the armed teacher who knows the student is autistic. The teacher has spent thousands of hours with that kid, the cop only sees a kid acting belligerently. \n\n",
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"content": "No. What I am saying is that more guns will mean more injuries and death. Picture a crowded hallway with a spattering of armed teachers. They hear the shooter and one teacher spots the threat and opens fire. In a crowded hallway, that would almost certainly lead to accidental injuries and death. The other teachers would not even understand what is happening besides seeing kids get shot and mass chaos. What should they do? Shoot anyone holding something looking similar to a firearm?\n\nThe other issue with the concealed carry plan is that it’’s not an effective blanket solution. Some classrooms would have armed teachers and others wouldn’t. That’s literally gambling with children’s lives. The hypothetical plan is also that everyone would be in class during the shooting. It could be a break, in between classes, the morning, end of school, etc. and your plan wouldn’t fold out as you said. The Columbine shooters began attacking when people were walking around and eating and not in classrooms.\n\nI’m not saying we should keep the status quo of school shootings. I’m saying that there are alternatives to simply having teachers armed.",
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"content": "In that crowded hallway, you have one person who is going to keep shooting for five minutes if he isn't stopped, and a couple teachers who will stop shooting as soon as that guy is down. \n\nHow can they possibly make things worse than he was planning?",
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"content": "There’s a bit of a difference between a trained officer and a “trained” CCL holder, but you don’t seem to see that. ",
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"content": "I just stated the relevant difference. ",
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"content": "I don't think anyone is forcing teachers to carry guns.\n\nThe idea is that teachers can choose to carry weapons, both for defense and to act as a stronger deterrent from a psychopath looking to kill the most people they can.\n",
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"content": "What if the teachers don’t want to? And where would they secure this firearm?",
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"content": "Teachers that don't want to carry simply wouldn't carry. Weapons would be secured in a manner instructed through proper training (as a non gun owner, in not sure what that would be specifically but can assume best practices would be followed) ",
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"content": "Proper training would have it locked. And locked won’t help you in time of trouble. \n\n",
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"content": "A reasonably trained individual should be able to safely arm themselves within a reasonably short amount of time. Unlocking does not take long, and it might be reasonable to allow teachers to conceal their weapon on their person, with proper training of course. ",
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"content": "Really? You are sure of that?",
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"content": "Yeah you are not sure.",
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"content": "The idea that a trained instructor can arm themselves within a minute is completely reasonable.",
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"content": "While also enforcing whatever ALICE protocol that the school has with 30-50 kids freaking out. That, I do not buy. ",
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"content": "According to whom?",
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"content": "Proper training would have it holstered on the body, loaded, with a round chambered. Something tells me you've never even considered taking a concealed carry class if you don't understand this. ",
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"content": "Um... proper training would NOT have a round chambered. \n\nAnd teachers are supposed to wear holsters? \n\n",
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"content": "You want a distraction in the classroom? Have a gun where kids can see it. It will be all they think about And give them a reason to fear thier teacher.",
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"content": "The most common type of holster in use in the US is an \"IWB\" holster that safely holds the gun inside the waistband, concealed from view. \n\nVirtually all of the nation's 16 million concealed carries use some type of IWB holster, making them far more common than the duty belt holsters that 1.1 million cops use. \n\n",
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"content": "You know how I know you have never taken a concealed carry class? \n\nYes, proper training would have a round chambered. There is very little dissent on that point. If you don't understand that, start reading. Pretend you're a concealed carrier looking for advice and ask Google whether you should be carrying with a round chambered or with the chamber empty. \n\nAll of the nation's 16 million concealed carrier's are supposed to keep their firearms in some type of holster while carrying. Most use an \"IWB\" (inside waistband) holster that safely holds the gun between the pants and the body. A proper holster will protect the trigger and secure the firearm. \n\nHolsterless carry (sticking it in the waistband) is highly discouraged, because it doesn't protect the trigger, and the gun can slip down the pants, or fall out. \n\nSo yes, teachers are supposed to wear holsters. ",
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"content": "No, you don’t have to keep one in the chamber per training. You can, but it’s not standard. Because as you said it depends on the holster.\n\nA lot of teachers are women and they would have to wear it open carry. \n\n\nKeep trying to be condescending. \n",
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"content": "Son, when somebody says you're wrong, a good rule of thumb is to spend 5 minutes on Google before doubling down on your position. \"Israeli carry\" (so named because the IDF is the only major authority that calls for this method) is highly discouraged for concealed carriers.\n\nProper training evolution for concealed carriers on this subject is:\n\n1. \"Don't carry with one in the pipe unless you are comfortable doing so\" \n2. \"Get comfortable doing so.\"\n\nI didn't argue that it depends on the holster. I mentioned holsters to to disabuse you of the notion that concealed carriers don't use them. ",
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"content": "Yes so if it depends ob holster and how it’s carried, one in the chamber is not the standard. \n\nCall me son again. It won’t make you more correct. \n\nAnd again, a women would have to open carry it. Which again means none in the chamber. \n\n",
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"content": "Women can carry IWB under a blouse, or under a skirt. There are bra holsters. There are several options available, and if they want to carry, they will adapt their wardrobe to accommodate. \n\nAnd I apologise for the \"son\" comment, but the truth is that you've now triple-downed on a position that 2 minutes of googling proves wrong. You're doing more to hurt your reputation than me. \n\n",
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"content": "“2 minutes of googling” bring up all kinds of shit.\n\nSo again, since holsters will vary the standard would be no round in the chamber. ",
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"content": "2 minutes of googling the issue brings up all kinds of shit, the broad consensus of which is \"carry with a round chambered\". You're being intellectually dishonest to suggest otherwise. \n\nHolsters that don't allow for a chambered round are also strongly discouraged, specifically because carrying with a round in the chamber is the smarter choice for a carrier. \n\n",
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"content": "“broad consensus”\n\n“load of bullshit”\n\nThere is no broad consensus because it depends on situation, firearm and holster. \n\nStop relying on google for your worldview \n\nYour comment on holsters is also bullshit. There is no holster that “doesn’t allow” for one in the chamber. \n\nThe holster is important because it could pull back the hammer and the gun could off. A firearm like a glock has no such issue because of the safety. \n\nPlease continue to try to teach someone about guns using Google. Lmao. \n\n",
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"content": "The consensus is that, for their carry weapon, carriers should select a holster and firearm that allows for a round to be chambered. \n\n You don't seem to understand this. Unfortunately, I'm on my phone at work and don't have 2 minutes to Google for you, but I will note that you've quadrupled down on this point. \n\nAre you as sure about your opinion on carrying with a chambered round as you are on other gun issues? Are your other opinions on guns backed by similar understanding of how they are supposed to be used? \n\nYou obviously haven't taken a concealed carry class, or discussed the issue with carriers. You have backed off the position that guns are supposed to be locked up until needed, and for that I commend you. You've backed off from your surprised comment that carriers use holsters, and for that I also commend you.\n\nBut you're really embarrassing yourself right now by continuing to argue this point without doing even basic research.\n\nI reiterate my claim that the broad consensus among concealed carriers is that, ideally, a carried weapon will have a round chambered. The reasons for this are numerous: The most likely time that a firearm will jam is while manually charging the chamber. Carriers cannot draw until a threat is imminent. An uncharged weapon generally needs both hands to rack the slide; when one hand is busy fending off an assailant, this isn't feasible. Where a limb is disabled due to injuries sustained, charging the weapon isn't feasible. \n\nIf you haven't read these arguments before, you have not done sufficient research to even make your claim, let alone quadruple down on it. \n\nPlease, go use Google for a couple minutes before posting your response. I don't want to be accused of inappropriate bias when I get home and flood the page with dozens of links to support my position. \n\n",
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"content": "What “consensus”? Where has a poll been done of all experts everywhere?\n\nYou actually thought there were special no-chamber holsters.\n\nQuit your bullshit. You know jackshit about guns. ",
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"content": "There are holsters that a carrier should either not use, or if they do, they should only carry with an empty chamber. Any holster that does not adequately protect the trigger is such a holster. \"Uncle Mike's\" holsters come to mind, as do others with soft mouths that could potentially touch the trigger. \n\n\"Consensus\" doesn't mean that everyone agrees. It means a large majority agrees. And the \"polls\" you're talking about are carrier forums throughout the internet, concealed carry classes across the nation, and the advice of firearm and self-defense instructors and professionals. \n\n",
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"content": "No, there is no such polling.\n\nYou are just pulling things out of your ass. Lol",
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"content": "There are no internet forums of gun carriers? Really? ",
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"content": "There is no consensus across them. ",
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"content": "You know how I know you haven't done any research to support your argument?\n\nTry asking over in /r/CCW. See if there isnt a consensus. I haven't checked recently, but I'll bet you a month of gold it's mentioned in their FAQ.",
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"content": "There's gonna be suicide by teacher one day if enough teachers are armed one day ",
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"content": "Fucking LOL. You do realize that the plan suggested was to let people who have the willingness and training to CC after being approved by a vetting system that is currently stronger than our immigration vetting system. I can't roll my eyes hard enough reading some of this. You write it like Republicans want to force every one to carry a weapon. No. We want to make it okay for the people who are allowed to, do it.",
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"content": "Calm down. You are over compensating.\n\nWhat plan? There is no plan. \n\nA CC permit and training is not the same as trained to engaged an active shooter. \n\n",
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"content": "Training is literally what you do to prepare for situations such as this. Ask the people over at Broward county. Oh wait.",
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"content": "Ssoo... you’re saying a lunch lady would be better trained?\n\nCan’t you see that is just a distraction so we don’t have to talk about healthcare and stricter background checks?\n\n",
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"content": "A distraction by who? Democrats? We're offering solutions. Same thing with DACA. Democrats failure to perform and make deals with Republicans is getting outrageous. ",
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"content": "Bullshit lies.\n\nThe Democrats had plans going all the way back to Sandy Hook.\n\n\nQuit your bullsht.\n\nThe NRA and the gun makers behind them just want to sell more guns. \n\nTimes are changing. \n\nYour DACA assertion was also horseshit. The GOP has zero plans except keeping their base triggered hysterically over these issues. They don’t want to solve them. \n\nIn this case, they are enabling the murder of Americans. \n",
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"content": "The only one enabling the death of Americans is the ones not letting us put armed personal in schools.",
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"content": "False, the NRA doesn’t even support universal background checks. \n\n",
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"content": "Also. You do realize that there are a lot of veterans who are teachers? I like how you also discriminate against the damn lunch lady.",
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"content": "Being a veteran doesn’t automatically make you qualified either.\n\nWhy do you guys reach like that?\n",
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"content": "Okay. of it's not training. Not a cc permit and not combat experience and combat training that qualifies them. Then what the fuck does?",
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"content": "Combat /= active shooter in a high school.\n\nEspecially when the shooter looks exactly like a typical high school student.\n\nThis has to be special training, for this specific situation. \n",
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"content": "Yeah. That falls under training. You know. You said having a cc and training doesn't qualify you to carry in school. Which one is it? ",
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"content": "I said a CC doesn’t. \n\nDon’t make up shit. ",
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"content": "\"Calm down. You are over compensating.\n\nWhat plan? There is no plan. \n\nA CC permit and training is not the same as trained to engaged an active shooter. \"\n\n\n\nWhat the fuck. You can't even keep up with your own bullshit.\n",
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"content": "Yes, CC training, genius. \n\n\nYou must have specific training and certification to this situation. \n\nWhich is what I said. \n\n",
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"content": "Jesus. It's like talking to a 8 year old. Okay. You realize that previous military experience is experience in shit like this right? Basic training etc isn't geared for open terrain wars anymore. It's all urban and building clearing training. So yes. Military training covers this. Veterans are trained to do this, and alot of them stay pretty sharp on it, What other training would you like? Sensitivity training? So that when you find the shooter, you can talk to him? Ffs",
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"content": "No, military experience is NOT the same as active shooters in high schools. \n\nThat is quite a load of bullshit. \n\nYou are describing urban warfare not teenagers running towards you in a school while you are hunting for one teen trying to mix in with them. \n\n ",
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"content": "Sooo. Your arm chair experience tells you this? Do tell, what training so the police have that makes them qualified to do the same thing? Police training is military training lite.",
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"content": "Police aren’t trained for this properly either. ",
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"content": "You are so fuckin deluded it hurts. Military training isn't adequate to take on a single homosoypeon beta numale? Yeah, time to stop watching cnn mate. You do know you're all the laughing stock of the world right baizuo? ",
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"content": "Are you alright, tankie?",
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"content": "How about addressing the points from my comment rather than attempting a feeble, limp, shut down that will only get me loads of karma. ",
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"content": "How about no but we pretend we did, soyboy?\n",
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"content": "Kettle. Black. You are such a joke, it's truly glorious, thank you friend 😁👌",
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"content": "Are you still wetting the floor? Please mop it up before you go. Thanks. ",
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"content": "This is all you have? Really? Thank you for the fREEEE karma. ",
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"content": "Have a seat, madlad. ",
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"content": "You truly cannot meme can you? This is feeble even for you child molesters. ",
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"content": "I can meme enough to trigger the fuck out of you. \n\nReeeeeeeee",
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"content": "This is the lowest energy shit I have ever seen. You are the definition of a homosoypeon. Please continue, you are a laugh riot friend. ",
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"content": "Reeeeee, cuck-boy, reeeee!",
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"content": "You really are sincerely so terrible at this. But I'm enjoying myself, I'm high af right now, and your incredibly limp wristed efforts to 'trigger' me has ranged from cringey to straight up sad. \n\nhttps://imgur.com/a/gvdi9\n\nSpez: a letter. And a 'How's about not being the most entitled group of people known to mankind (sorry Justin castro, peoplekind.\n ",
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"content": "Lol you actually think someone is going to read all that. ",
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"content": "You did =) ",
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"content": "There's a pretty big - and important - difference between \"ARM ALL TEH TEECHURZ\" and abolishing idiotic gun free zones so that teachers who WANT to take on the responsibility of carrying concealed to protect themselves and their students are able to do so. ",
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"content": "Cool. \n\nAre you alright?",
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"content": "I mean, the gun free zones exist for a reason. No one wants a rambo wannabe to respond to what is barely a threat with a hail of gunfire. \n\nI'd really like to be able to carry my gun on the train here in Chicago. A lot of crime happens on transit here. But I can't imagine a single scenario in which I could shoot a guy in a crowded train and put no one else's life at risk. Innocent people's personal safety should go above my right to defend myself. And that's a controversial statement, apparently. But it's what I believe. ",
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"content": "Sounds like you understand the monumental responsibility that comes with carrying a concealed firearm - the most important thing is to know when NOT to use it. ",
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"content": "Also, if you think that without gun free zones we'd have gunfights breaking out all the time...that's a BIT much",
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"content": "You underestimate how many armed idiots are in this country who are itching to be the hero in any given situation. ",
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"content": "Dream on.",
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"content": "So where are all these incidents where CCW permit holders are losing their shit and killing at random. You are so far up CNN’s ass your can barely see enough to lick George Soros’ Nazi boots lol.",
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"content": "Some places don't want ccw holders to take charge of dangerous situations occuing on their property. That's reasonable and should be respected. And don't personally insult me. Try to keep your composure. As it stands I've just chalked you up as yet another /r/the_donald minion living in your fantasy land where you're winning all the time even though the world-renowned conman that you carried into the oval office has failed horribly day after day. ",
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"content": "Sitting here enjoying my tax cut, booming stock portfolio, Neil Gorsuch, and conservative court stack... along with a frosty glass of liberal tears. Failure never felt so sweet hahaha. BRB gonna polish my AR-15.",
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"content": "Yes well when your forever daddy gets impeached and goes down as the worst mistake in American history carried out by people like you who were spoon fed Russian propaganda, you will finally see how stupid you've been. \n\nlol who am I kidding? You'll say Trump was a liberal democrat in diaguise and he was all Obama's fault. You'll die stupid. ",
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"content": "Lol propaganda from foreigners is ok when it comes from Brit John Oliver and South African Trevor Noah on syndicated cable television... but 13 Russians on Facebook ruined MUH ELECTION INTEGRITY. but hillary and the DNC didn’t steal the nomination from Uncle Bernie. Hahaha I love this you people have brains of mush. Greetings from Moscow comrade!",
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"content": "Only liberals think the racist police are out to kill all brown people-so only they can have guns- but are afraid the people they trust to educate their kids 8 hours a day are gonna have a psychotic episode at random and become mass murders. But that will ONLY happen with a gun locked in the classroom, and under no other circumstances. Lol what a bunch of IDIOTS.",
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"content": "I'm less noble than you all. I wouldn't die for the kids. That's why I need a gun!",
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"content": "If you are less noble then maybe you shouldn’t even be in the classroom. ",
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"content": "I’m sorry my desire to defend myself and them with a firearm in such a situation is a dealbreaker.",
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"content": "Oh now it’s “and them”?\n\n",
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"content": "Might as well, right? Otherwise I could just stand outside with my gun while students get slaughtered in there. Oh wait,,, someone did that.",
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"content": "Keep trying.\n\nYou guys are always putting more effort into your circle jerks than actual discussion. \n\nLike you said, you are less noble. \n",
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"content": "Couldn’t have written it better myself.",
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"content": "Its not the teachers job to die for your kids. Don't expect them to.",
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"content": "Why stereotype teachers like this? Many are already gun owners",
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"content": "Sssssssso?",
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"content": "Just saying id rather have a school teacher protect me than a broward coward sheriff's deputy",
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"content": "Who cares?\n\nMost Americans want actual laws. Not circle-jerk memes.\n\n",
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"content": "Well the 2nd amendment is a law so I'm not sure what you're getting at. I would argue that laws that create gun free zones like in schools or in Chicago make the situation far worse ",
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"content": "“The 2nd Amendment is a law” is not an argument. \n\nAnyone who screeches “muh Chicago!” Is not serious about the discussion. ",
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"content": "Baltimore? Oakland?",
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"content": "Uh NYC? Boston?\n\nKeep searching for your fallacy. ",
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"content": "I will bet you any amount of money that you can possibly fathom that if your house gets broken into, you'll be calling law enforcement, not a school.",
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"content": "Well yeah, to file a police report and to clean the splatter ",
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"content": "Anybody that doesn’t realize the NRA’s intention is semi-brain dead. Of course the NRA wants to arm teacher. More guns = More 💵 for the NRA.",
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"content": "I don't think that this thread really understands what Trump's proposal is. No one is going to get a gun if they don't want it. No one is going to get a gun if they they don't already have one(presumably). No one is going to be forced to be forced to bring a gun. The only people who this will affect is teachers who already have a CC permit and have a gun, and those who actually want to be armed. \n\nIf a school doesn't have any teachers who have any of these, good. No one is going to be forced to carry a gun in school. \n\nIf a teacher also likes to shoot guns recreationally, but doesn't carry outside of recreationally, good. \n\nIf a teacher wants to defend themselves from a potential threat, and is willing to concealed carry, good. In case of a threat, you can basically have another police officer to defend against a threat.\n\nIt's a win win for everyone. Teachers can defend their students and themselves if necessary.",
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"content": "No it’s not because you would have more people killed by accident and most teachers and schools would choose not to have an armed teacher. \n\nSo it does not address the problem. \n\nNot to mention a CC does not give you training to deal with an active shooter situation.\n\nTrump is full of shit as usual. \n\n",
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"content": "Okay, but we want gun laws as well. ",
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"content": "How about just the teachers that opt-in? The teachers that want to exercise their right to bare arms to have a real fighting chance should, god forbid, a tragedy occur on their campus. \n\nOr are we going to let the teachers that think guns are sentient speak for everyone?\n\nOn a side note, her top is far to revealing to be appropriate in a school setting.",
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"content": "Sure, that would be fine if it’s an actual program like the air marshals.\n\nBut what about other gun laws?",
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"content": "It's my humble opinion that gun control legislation overwhelmingly affects the law abiding citizen, and that criminals will get their hands on a firearm regardless as we subsequently see a rise in black market weapons as a result of said legislation. \n\nJust look when MJ and alcohol was prohibited, we saw a massive rise in their black markets where criminals were the beneficiary. Not only do they benefit from the increased black marketplace, but there is less deterrence from law-abiding citizens in their criminal acts.\n\nWe have a problem though, and no action is unacceptable. I think we need a higher level of scrutiny on the front end of obtaining firearms, private sales and gifting of weapons is largely unregulated and I would support a mandate to report when these actions take place... at the dismay of supporters of the 2nd amendment because they generally don't want the government in their business... but we must do something at this point. ",
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"content": "The kids lives are most important; that should be any teachers mindset. If teachers are willing to bitch and moan about their jobs so much than fucking quit. Adding a tool to enforce and help your role as a protector shouldn’t be one more thing to complain about but an opportunity to be more prepared for the worse. If you don’t like it, and all the other things, than fucking do something else. If you really wanna teach because you love it than teach someone who is volunteering to be in your presence not a bunch of fucking children who depend on you. ",
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"content": "Why do these posts always assume teachers are the poorest people ever? ",
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"content": "Maybe because some of them are treated like shit. \n\nUntil it’s time to use them as props so you don’t have to talk about gun laws. ",
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"content": "You said “some” which proves my point. Most teachers are doing fine. ",
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"content": "According to whom?",
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"content": "Www.reddit.com",
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"content": "Those fuckers wouldn't even pay for a pencil for education but willing to strap up all of America's teachers with 700$ guns?",
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"content": "Link for context: http://time.com/5178103/fedex-nra-boycott/",
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"content": "Their stock price has actually gone up, we did it.",
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"content": "Lmao stocks still going up!!",
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"content": "Wow u trumpets must be looking at a different stock market",
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"content": "Stock is up!",
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"content": "Buy Now!",
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"content": "Lol you guys are so petty. Serious question: Why are you going to boycott a company that had nothing to do with the shooting? Who are you going to boycott to make the county police and Miami FBI field office accountable for ignoring 45 reports about this kid's threats to shoot up a school? Your logic is extremely twisted. ",
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"content": "Our logics twisted? You guys are attacking the FBI for a guy who says the FBI is “partisan” ",
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"content": "No. ",
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"content": "Capitulating to Russia will never MAGA.",
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"content": "If the economy is so inportant to them you would think theyd stop electing a party that consistently tanks it....",
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"content": "That is Obama’s economy in terms of the DOW, except the tax cuts which will blow a hole in the deficit and the vast majority is going back to the companies and not workers. \n\nWe also created less jobs in 2017 than 2016.\n\nBut you keep trying. \n",
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"content": "HAHAHAHAH keep telling yourself that buddy",
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"content": "Yeah those are the facts.\n\nNotice how you “herr derr’d” but you could not refute them. \n",
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"content": "Obama's economy my ASS.",
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"content": "Yup. \n\nAccording to facts. ",
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"content": "Yes...your ass indeed ",
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"content": "Tax cuts for all just runs up the debt of poor and middle class people. On average each of us gets $1000 but the super rich get a million. So it takes 1000 middle class people to pay back the money that the rich person took. ",
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"content": "You act like there is a limited amount of money.",
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"content": "There is, junior. That is why debt accrues. ",
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"content": "Has the thought crossed your mind that the government should maybe just spend less money?",
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"content": "The government provides services that we need to have to function as a country. Why are you being so unpatriotic as to believe that the government needs less? The government has been starved by rich old people for years and now we have no infrastructure, healthcare issues, education is lagging our allies, and all we do is prop up the defense industry.\n\nWe need much more government spending and higher taxes on wealthy people to fund it. As high as 90%. ",
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"content": "Well no...weve has a democratic president for the past 8 years who has increased the size of the federal govt by creating various departmants.",
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"content": "Would you pay 90% tax?",
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"content": "The same economy where 65% of Americans could not afford a$1,000 emergency. The Dow reflects the growth of the wealthy who make up the majority stock holders. It does not reflect the financial well-being of the masses and says nothing about the rest of the human condition.",
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"content": "The \"Majority\" of stockholders are in fact everyone with a 401K. My 401K has jumped 26% in value. While I also enjoy a $1000 bonus from an evil CEO and greater take home pay from tax cuts that killed everyone. Running against a booming economy is political suicide just ask Walter Mondale. ",
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"content": "As long as everyone got bonuses and are concerned about their 401k and not pay...you may do ok. \n\nGood luck. \n\nThat's not the same boom that Reagan had. \n\n\"Hey, in 30 years you'll be golden!\". ",
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"content": "Oh 15 total companies. Well that's all U.S. workers! \n\nYou'll win for sure!",
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"content": "http://time.com/money/5054009/stock-ownership-10-percent-richest/\n\nNo. ",
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"content": "You have my upvote. ",
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"content": "There is always a boom at the start, and a bust at the end...\n\nReagan/Bush, w. Bush, and Trump will be the same. ",
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"content": "Well yeah because a democrat builds it up, after a Republican tanks it. Then while during the Democrats term Republicans say “it didn’t build fast enough, if we get in we’ll make the economy explode” the Republicans get in power, economy continues to rise, then Republican policies are “felt” a few years later, economy tanks so the people hire a Democrat, repeat. ",
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"content": "Bingo",
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"content": "> Edit: it's 2018...when does it become \"Trumps economy\"? After reeeeee-election?\n\nIt becomes Trump's economy as soon as you admit that the growth rate and the lowering unemployment rate (that has been on a steady upward and downward trend for 8 years) were good things about the Obama Presidency.\n\nObama had amazing jobs numbers, and amazing growth in wealth for 7 years of his administration. You never gave him any credit. But now you cry that Trump is benefiting from that trend but not getting worshiped by us.",
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"content": "I didn't say you blamed Obama for anything. I said you didn't give him credit for 7 years, and then bitch when we don't give Trump credit for 1 year. \n\nTo answer your question: If you are pushing a boulder up a hill (like democrats had to do when the Republican administration under GWBush crashed the economy in 08), and you push that boulder up the hill for 7 years. And then, as you are rolling the boulder to the top of the hill, some other guy comes along and starts pushing the boulder THEN HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BOULDER MAKING IT UP THE HILL. \n\nHe is using the inertia of the last 7 years and taking credit for the entire trip.\n\nThe economy is a big ship, it doesn't turn on a dime. If it's still doing well in 3 years, I will happily say \"yeah, Trump didn't fuck up the economy liked every other republican president has done\". \n\nBut it's too early in this term to say Trump has done anything to the economy at all. That is not something you can see in real time.",
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"content": "I think per your username you might be interested in the similarities both in real estate and financial markets immediately preceeding the great depression and present day AND the similarities between the recent tax cut bill and the financial legislation passed at the noted time in history.\n\nYou're really going to like it, cyclical history is the best history.",
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"content": "For GOP voter, \"economy\" does not mean overall health of the country. It means \"extra $50 to put towards big-ass truck\"",
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"content": "Generic ballets are a scary metric to determine how things are going since it ignores gerrymandered districts, states makeup, etc. \nI'm happy about the direction but I'm suspect of the results. ",
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"content": "You betcha! This is just cheer candy if there is such a phrase. The Democratic Leadership during 2016 was full of this stupid stuff but I just put it up to give a little hope but I’ll also post things to criticize the “consultant elite” that we should be very wary of. Their behavior in that Texas race going after a popular activist is fairly disturbing and should be condemned. ",
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"content": "> Their behavior in that Texas race going after a popular activist is fairly disturbing and should be condemned.\n\nNo it's not. They pointed out that a candidate from the Beltway was funneling 10% of her donations to a consulting firm owned by her husband...thereby financially benefitting personally from political donations.\n\nThat behavior is disturbing, not the DCC for pointing it out. But you only post to hate on the DNC.",
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"content": "Oh my god. Literally in the first paragraph of what you linked:\n\n> Forbes estimates of their wealth range at $50 million; the Clintons got there through hard work, while also benefiting from their fame and their friendships.\n\n> What they seem not to have done, contrary to Internet theories, is break any laws.",
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"content": "You are just being silly now. You say the DCCC is illegally and horribly persecuting a woman for doing the same thing Hillary did, but it's okay for her and not Hillary.\n\nThen you offer no proof Hillary did what you accuse her of....in fact you offer proof to the contrary. \n\nThen you say \"c'mon dude, we all KNOW what's up!\". And yes..Hillary's books have sold very well. Better than your god Bernie's. \n\nYou are silly. ",
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"content": "Do you read these things? It literally points out everything I said. She’s a carpetbagger that came from dc and is enriching her bank account thru donation. \n\nIt lists ZERO positions she is running on. \n\nYou are a fool. ",
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"content": "You are worse than a Russian trying to\ndivide the Democratic Party with its 44\nPercent Democrats for Sanders. Shame on you participating in EnoughSanders Spam, an anti Democratic Party wingnut Subreddit. Are there any Enough Hillary Spam sites were Bernie people hang? \n\n",
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"content": "> Are there any Enough Hillary Spam sites were Bernie people hang?\n\nYes. Several. You should know, you post to most of them.\n\nI am not worse than a Russian...because unlike the Russians and yourself, I don't spread lies, I read sources beyond the headlines, and I can speak unbroken English.",
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"content": "> You’re the worst Democratic I’ve met in awhile. No wonder Hillary lost Blue States with you pissing everyone off. You sound like Nicholas Cruz.\n\nWow. Not only am I responsible for Hillary losing blue states thru my sheer force of will....but you will also stoop low enough to use a school shooting as fodder to attack people.\n\n17 dead kids and you go \"Wow, I bet I can use this to win an argument on Reddit!\"\n\nPerhaps I am a terrible Democrat. You sir, however, are a terrible person. \n\nI know your post will be erased, so I am just going to save the above for posterity. How many posts of yours have been deleted tonight? 5? 6?",
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"content": "You’re as wacky like that gun nut as I said — you lie like a snake and attack Democrats like Linda Moser so perhaps you are a Republican? I didn’t delete anything tonight. I only delete posts that Mods refuse to allow on other subs like r/news. You are a persistent troll I’ll grant you that. ",
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"content": "> you lie like a snake and attack Democrats like Linda Moser\n\nYou seem terribly invested in her. You even managed to get her first name wrong. Her name is Laura Moser. I'm sure you can name a number of her policy positions too, right?\n\nHe's not a troll: you're just not too bright. You link an article as \"proof \"and, in the first paragraph, it refutes your own claim. ",
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"content": "The Hill I believe ",
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"content": "Absolute. 1000% agree. \n\nLet’s not go down this road again. It was this way during the general election. Trump was then like now, immensely unpopular, and yet he still won. \nPopular votes mean squat when Republicans have the system locked down. ",
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"content": "Actually Obama’s policies were a gradual reduction of deficits by keeping us out of wars and we have had the third or second Longest gradual upsurge in the economy. as a result. When taxes are drastically cut and regulations are ignored as in the GWBush administration it leads to a bust after the sugar high. Trump just gave us another false sugar high. We’re close to the longest upsurge and are peaking at top of the cycle. Much of the improvements in the economy are due to foreign economies catching up with US’s. \n\nTrees don’t keep growing to the sky. ",
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"content": "I assume you’re joking 🙃 \nBut yea, ISIS was already close to being crushed before Trump came and he did little to help the Kurds and Iranian backed Shiites that did most of the hard work .... and Russians too. \nISIS is and was propped up by Trump allies: Saudi Arabia and especially Turkey. ",
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"content": "Tell Trump it might be advantageous to get a ambassador for Saudi Arabia...while he’s at it...\nand South Korea...\nand Turkey...\nOh and Germany ",
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"content": "Well yeah. Any sane PERSON, not democrat or Republican...sane person wants to see Trump go. ",
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"content": "Sorry, we need more than an echo chamber that this guy represents. If we get too legalistic, we’ll lose the “people”. \n\nObama should have never fired Van Jones, for example. Playing too fair is not “politics”. We have to bring guns to the gun fight. ",
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"content": "I've had Whitesnake's \"Don't Know What You've Got Till It's Gone\" stuck in my head for 15 months now. I don't like Whitesnake, and I don't like this new White House. \nThe Blue Wave better be real in November.",
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"content": "*Cinderella*",
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"content": "It's so easy to mix all those bands up, but I stand corrected.",
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"content": "Eh, I knew what we had before it was gone. I didn't even get a lousy t-shirt (or hat made in Gyna).",
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"content": "Not going to be if the dems hitch their wagons to gun legislation this cycle. Every time they do, they get their asses handed to them. ",
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"content": "As a liberal, and even though it's possibly true, it's an irrelevant statement. As much as we complain, trying to get Trump supporters to stop kicking a dead horse by bringing up Hillary and Obama everytime they need to deflect any blame on anything, how stupid is it making us look to reference them like hypocrites. I want everything Trump does on *his* shoulders alone. I want him and the GOP to bare responsibility for everything their administration does. If I have to accept that this is the Trump era, then I want *them* to accept the heat in the kitchen too. We need to leave Obama and Hillary out of our mouths.",
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"content": "I totally understand the reason for being cynical, but don't give up. While the challenge has become simply keeping score of all the \"this shit shouldn't be allowed to happen\" examples that seem to happen on a daily basis with this administration - make the effort. Remind people. There are people that won't budge, but many are just influenced by the overwhelming propaganda they endure if they just watch Fox News and alt-right sources. The key is to be respectful and courteous and constructive despite the overwhelming urge to scream at the top of your lungs - it just doesn't do any good and only confirms their presumptions. Explain how this isn't normal or acceptable. I still run into otherwise reasonable and educated people that just don't watch the news and follow what's happening. I still hear \"but you got to admit he's funny\" and I have to resist the urge to cringe. Instead, I start with the concession that \"maybe in different context I would absolutely find it funny, but in the context of the office he's holding, he's doing serious damage to our soft power with the rest of the world...etc. And it's not just meaningless rhethoric, he's swaying public opinion just enough to get away with major policy changes that are categorically bad for all of us\".\n\nAsk them questions and don't make assumptions. Ask them why they support this administration and/or GOP policies and kill them with hard facts. Many people still think the GOP tax bill was a \"middle-class tax cut\" as they sold it...and they always pause when I explain that the \"middle-class\" part of the tax cut was miniscule compared to the tax cut for the top 1%; which, by the way, was made permanent while the middle-class cut is temporary. \"What does that tell you about their priorities?\"",
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"content": "It’s using Obama as a standard more than anything else. \n\nObama followed the rules rather tightly. He made sure the people he brought in adhered to the ethics and handled things appropriately. \n\nIt’s not like criticizing this is hypocritical on Democrats part because the man they supported didn’t do those things. Trump can’t hide behind the actions of previous administrations because of this. \n\nAll administrations are judged relatively, so it is relevant to this case. Obama didn’t hire his family and didn’t allow people to use interim security clearances as equivalent to permanent clearance. ",
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"content": "Ah, the classic talking points. I don’t feel like arguing those and explaining why those may have been situations where it was handled the best way but they didn’t break the rules per se. \n\nI didn’t say everyone in the Obama administration was squeaky clean. That all carried out their duties well and in good faith or that everyone he had around him was ethical all the time. \n\nRather, his employees passed their background investigations and received necessary clearances. He didn’t appoint family to significant posts. They all were qualified in their roles. They didn’t have conflict of interests. When Trump and/or Kushner step away from their businesses, we can discuss. ",
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"content": "I’m all for having respectful debate in good faith. \n\nAll of those scandals drew so much attention because how politically motivated they were. The IRS didn’t act appropriately, on the other hand they had to ensure social welfare groups were not primarily political arms because they are the source of dark money in elections. It included liberal groups too. My hunch is that more conservative groups applied for tax exempt status than liberal ones so in raw numbers it’s going to appear they were scrutinized more. \n\nThe Fast and Furious deal, there were mistakes made. Non of which seemed to originate from Obama and had people acting autonomously.\n\nBenghazi, they could have done more to protect them. They didn’t ignore the rules though. When Susan Rice was on tv speaking about it, the full extent of what happened was still being investigated. She only could share certain parts of what they had believed happened but didn’t have complete information. \n\nObama didn’t surveil political opponents, the FBI had cause to file a FISA application on a Trump associate, who was flagged prior to the election as a potential foreign asset. They followed the law in acquiring a warrant, Obama and his administration never used the information for political purposes. The Steele Dossier had a pretty insignificant part. It was noted it originated via a political campaign in the application but those applications are 60-80 pages, they didn’t approve it based on the dossier. \n\nNot that those are comparable giving a family member a prominent role with no experience and not approved for the security clearance necessary. \n\nI mean look at the cabinet appointments, Ben Carson for HUD, why? Because he lived in public housing as a kid. Rick Perry, DoEnergynot sure why. He didn’t know what the department even did and wanted to eliminate it despite it overseeing our nuclear stockpile. Betsy DeVos, homeschooled all her kids is now in charge of the education department. \n\nSeems pretty clear that Obama filled his administration with people who were qualified and prepared to step into their roles. ",
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"content": ">IRS scandal\n\nNo criminal wrongdoing was found in that case and less than six months ago Trump's own Justice Department declined to reopen an investigation into Lois Lerner. There has never been as much as a whiff of Obama's personal involvement in that.\n\n>Fast and Furious\n\nIncredibly dumb and should have been stopped sooner but again, no hint of Obama's personal involvement.\n\n>Benghazi\n\nNo, just no, when a Republican controlled House refuses to increase the State Department's security budget you don't get to complain about a lack of security overseas. Even if the budget had been increased, diplomats do occasionally die in the line of duty, it's a hazard of the job. Besides, holding Obama (and Hillary) personally responsible for a mob attacking a consulate is absurd.\n\n>FBI\n\nNo, this is a flat out lie and you used a heavily slanted publication as your source. Get me something that can pass as non-biased and try again.\n\nThe funny thing here is though that you entirely missed the point. Nobody said Obama was perfect and always toed the line, he wasn't and didn't, they said he didn't appoint his eminently unqualified friends, family members, and sycophants to high level positions. Trump has, now are you done with the whataboutism?",
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"content": "While I personally agree with you and the \"high-road\" in general, I find myself asking if, perhaps, that's the only language some of the electorate understands. \n",
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"content": "Honestly OBama was great I still don’t understand why Hillary held him back from campaigning more for her. ",
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"content": "Well of course not. Obama hired people who were actually qualified to perform their duties.",
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"content": "What does this matter now? In other words, the sky is blue and poo stinks.",
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"content": "I mean he has no credentials whatsoever that would make him someone that should be used as an adviser.",
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"content": "I miss the days when \"avoid the appearance of impropriety\" meant something.",
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"content": "Um when have democrats been nice to us? I'm constantly criticized for my opinions.",
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"content": "Why are you here? You know r/conservative r/The_Donald r/Republican \nAll won’t let liberals comment there. \nPretty pathetic since we put up with so much shit for the last 45+ years from Right Wingers. \nEnjoy your free speech here! ",
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"content": "Because, ironically enough, this group has the least annoying stereotypes and less shitty people. While I am more a Republican than a democrat, I'm less pro trump as much as I am anti hillary. I've only recently gotten into politics (I'm 15), but I've set a base of my ideals. I do believe the minimum age to own a gun should be 21. I believe background checks on guns need to be more in depth. I believe that Obama was a bad president because he doubled our already extreme debt. I hate how hillary ran her campaign(half of her fucking ads were basically saying \"trump says ur dumb vote for me lol\"). I believe that we should remain optimistic about Trump, and not insult his ability as president based on personality. F.D.R, Widely considered on of the greatest US presidents, had many mistresses, drank heavily, and was a general assault. But he was a great president. On the other side of the personality coin, we have Hitler. A vegan, didn't drink often, faithful to loved ones, and was incredibly nationalistic. But he caused the death of 11 million people. My problem with modern media is that the GOP and president are often based on stereotypes of personality, which doesn't judge how good a leader they could be.",
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"content": "You’ve got a lot to learn about history but I’ll upvote you for being politically active at 15 and agree totally with you about Hillary’s ads which I believe did more damage to her campaign than the Russians as they focused on trying to get a portion of white Republican women to vote for her and they utterly failed while boring the shit out of people she really needed to vote for her: Independents! \nRest of the stuff read more Wiki on it. ",
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"content": "I still wanna know why everyone is blaming the NRA for literlly every part of the gaverment failing at their job. The police want to his house over 30 time for him killing animals or him beating his mom. The FBI also interviewed him twice and nothing came of it. He said on youtube that he wanted to be a professional school shooter, no one dropped his. To me it just seems like \"they\" need someone to point the finger at that wont jeperdize theyre agenda. ",
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"content": "> I still wanna know why everyone is blaming the NRA\n\nBecause the NRA weakened background checks to the point that this crazy fuck was able to legally buy a gun. \n\nwww.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-nws-nra-federal-mandates-fact-check-20180227-story.html\n\nhttps://newrepublic.com/article/147189/gun-control-movements-silent-ally-supreme-court\n\nIf you are honestly asking and not just being an asshole.",
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"content": "No reason to name call. Still wanna know why the police showed up to this (I agree with you) \"crazy fucks\" house over 30 times some of witch being him killing his pets and beeting mom. This dude needed help. He said on his youtube channel that he wanted to be a professional school shooter. I believe somebody did call it to the police or Fbi I forget witch. You have to admit on some level those two levels of goverment failed. Weres the police reports, why wasnt he takin away and why did both interviews with the fbi not catch that he was very disturbed. Cuz if any of that was in a report he wouldnt of been able to legally been able to get a gun. ",
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"content": "> Cuz if any of that was in a report he wouldnt of been able to legally been able to get a gun.\n\nThat would be where you are wrong. Due to the NRA's concentrated effort to weaken background checks, this kid was within his rights to own a gun right up to the point that he shot his first student.\n\nLook at what you wrote above. He was reported several times. Everyone knew he was crazy...it's still legal for him at 18 to have bought 12 guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.\n\nTHAT'S why people are blaming the NRA. It's not illegal for crazy people to buy guns. And if they ARE convicted of crimes, 38 states don't report to the national registry thereby flagging criminals to prevent them from getting guns. Why don't those states report that? Because the NRA sued on their behalf all the way to the supreme court. \n\nTHAT'S why people blame the NRA.",
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"content": "Ha ha Druidshift, we're arguing on the same side!!!🤣",
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"content": "You compared me to this dude twice because I didn't agree with you that Hillary was crooked. ",
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"content": "Why? Because if we let some petty shit get to us that makes us seem like we hate Republicans, then we prove that we are no better than they are. If we truly view ourselves as the voices of reason, then being mean to Republicans only escalates the situation.\n\nTl;dr\nDon't be an ass. If you view youself as above another, they will resent you and nothing will get done",
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"content": "They don't respect namby-pambys either. That's why the Clinton's got flayed by trying to play along with them. FDR though never let up on them. \n\npetty shit = killing students ! You think so????? ",
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"content": "You cannot compare either Clinton to FDR. I'm sorry but no. Was she the better of the final 2? Absolutely, but it doesn't matter. What's done is, unfortunately, done. Now take a look at the Parkland kids. They aren't treating people with disrespect, they're pointing out lies and blatant lack of care. By disrespecting all Republicans we only allow the same circumstances of our current situation rise to the same boiling point, only next time it'll be the reds calling the blues anti-American. Learn from history, don't just act because it's your first reaction. Be better than the supposed \"silent majority.\" Just be a better person.",
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"content": "If you can't see the Right Wing's proclivities towards violence then you're blind to history. The American Civil War is an apt comparison, 99.9 percent of the violence leading up to the War was by the American Right --- those who defended slavery. Finally some abolitionists defended themselves in bloody Kansas. And then John Brown's moral crusade to defeat the bullies of the South flipped out the bullies and they decided to kill fellow Americans in mass. The Confederates then would be considered the same as today's Freedom Caucus. They are willing to do anything to gain their goals. They've put guns in the hands of crazed male chauvinists and racists and care not who gets hurt. ",
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"content": "You're right about the civil war, you're right about Kansas, and you're right about John Brown. But here's what you have failed to do. To be better (wo)men, we must raise others up to our standard. This feeling of hatred I sense is something that you don't seem to be able to overcome. We'll agree to disagree on how to handle that, but nonetheless look to modern history. The NRA is the one who riles up the people with guns, the Republicans are just on their payroll. Need proof? What about that Dana Loesch YouTube video where they say the the Left is coming for their American Rights? I agree that the Right has used their influence to change the self-interest of the more conservative Americans, but to hate them is something else entirely. Something else you're right on? Civil war was caused through both political and economic distress (including slavery). This is merely political distress. Would you see people so against each other that their tribalism would lead to more death? Are you honestly telling me that if it were up to you, you'd let history literally repeat itself?\n\nHatred only breeds more hatred. You can be better than that. That's what I believe the idea of the Left is, and that's where I believe you are wrong.",
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"content": "You only responded to my parenthetical point in the title. The art of Politics requires framing the debate that Republicans are much better at doing which Thomas Franks has been trying to educate Democrats to no avail. Bill Clinton could have used The Oklahoma Bombing to flip the game on Right Wing Media King Rush Limbaugh by forcefully showing that the Right was responsible for that bombing and that Limbaugh was a douche for claiming it was done by Muslim extremists. Clinton then could have demanded that media curtail it's conservative bias by demanding that the Fairness Doctrine be reinstated. It's very much like martial arts if you find a gap in an opponent's defense you don't let the opportunity pass, you double down on the opponent's weakness and not let up. ",
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"content": "Wasn't the point of our argument that democrats are generally upset that republicans play the people instead of governing them?",
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"content": "Knee-jerk reactions benefit nobody - this was a bridge that was out of use and being *torn down* when it collapsed.\n\nI'm not saying it's not ridiculous that the GOP keeps blocking infrastructure funding while our roads and bridges collapse. But blaming that for this is stretching things to the point of silliness.",
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"content": "Thanks repub incompetent ",
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"content": "Thank you for this. Let's not resort to the same kind of tactics that plague the Republican party. Upvote for you.",
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"content": "This actually happened 6 months ago ",
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"content": "Good question",
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"content": "Thank you Mitch McConnell. I hope the state is happy with that son of a bitch.",
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"content": "This is Ohio not Kentucky so they have no say in Mitch McConnell",
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"content": "Yeah, who doesn't know that. He's the leader of the GOP in the senate that blocked the legislation to provide emergency infratstructure funding for dying bridges and roads all across the country. ",
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"content": "The bridge was being torn down. Its replacement had already been built. ",
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"content": "That's good news. There's still 4 more that link Kentucky to Ohio and Kentucky to Indiana that little is getting done that were listed critical 7 or 8 years ago.",
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"content": "Absolutely. I drive across the Ohio River on I75 pretty regularly and hold my breath as I go across that bridge. Who knows how long they're going to fight over how to pay for a replacement and then it will years to actually build it. ",
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"content": "Yeah but a billionaire might have lost out on a tax break if they where to have fixed the bridge",
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"content": "They already built its replacement.it was undergoing demolition.",
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"content": "This happened on January 20, not June 30! It was also an overpass that was undergoing demolition and not in use. Its replacement had already been built. ",
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"content": "Then he better not have a begathon like them assholes with the Indiana piazza shop",
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"content": "He probably will. People figured out you can raise quite a bit of money for your failing businesses by being public bigots. ",
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"content": "I always wonder how people plan to enforce something like this. I mean, all that's going to happen is you'll get an influx of people who walk in, buy something, pay, and then go, \"bwahahaha! You just let a gay person in your store!\" and then walk out cackling madly.",
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"content": "Nah they wouldn't want to give him business. He's in it for the GoFundMe page from anti-gay donors.",
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"content": "Yep. He's trying to cash in on the hateful. It'll probably work too. It doesn't matter that no one has violated a single Christian's religious freedoms or intends to do so. ",
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"content": "How to troll bigots:\n\n1. Announce that your business will no longer serve gays .\n\n2. Setup GoFundeMe account.\n\n3. Collect tear-soaked bigot bucks.\n\n4. Announce that you're donating GoFundMe proceeds to HRC.",
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"content": "Why HRC?\n\nBecause a little over two years ago she decided it would be okay if two gay people got married?\n\nWhy not donate the money to an actual LGBT rights advocate like Sanders?",
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"content": ">Why HRC?\n\nBecause the irony of giving the money of bigots to a gay rights organization would be awesome. \n\n>Because a little over two years ago she decided it would be okay if two gay people got married?\n\nWTF are you talking about? \n\n>Why not donate the money to an actual LGBT rights advocate like Sanders?\n\nPlease explain how giving money to a presidential candidate is better for gay rights advocacy than giving that money to an organization that exists solely for advocating for gay rights.",
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"content": "I thought you meant Hillary Rodham Clinton (who is not a gay rights organization). \n\nSorry not everyone knows exactly what you meant when you used that acronym. \n\nThis is why when conversing with strangers, it is often better to go through the painstaking effort of writing actual words instead of acronyms. Strangers can't see inside your head.",
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"content": "Considering HRC always goes by \"HRC\", and Hillary Clinton doesn't, I don't see how it's my fault that you took out your Jumping to Conclusions Mat and went on an insane rant. The context of the conversation would indicate to anyone with the barest reading comprehension skills that I was referring to one of the largest gay rights advocacy organizations and not to a random politician.\n\nTry to be less obsessed in the future; it might help you avoid making this mistake again. ",
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"content": "Sure thing dickhead, everyone is supposed to know about the Human Rights Campaign already.\n\nOnly a rube wouldn't be able to read your mind.",
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"content": "I'm not responsible for your stupidity. ",
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"content": "How is the fact that I was unfamiliar with the organization you were referring to evidence of stupidity?\n\nYou're assumption that everyone has heard of the group you referred to by a three-letter acronym, on the other hand, might indicate a lack of intelligence on your part.\n\nAlso, why on earth did you react to my initial misunderstanding with rage instead of explaining what you meant by HRC?\n\nSeems like you need to work some stuff out.\n\nHave a nice day, and try not to have an anger-induced aneurysm.",
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"content": ">How is the fact that I was unfamiliar with the organization you were referring to evidence of stupidity?\n\nI would never call someone stupid just for being ignorant of something. It's your reaction and then your blaming of me for your reaction that marked you as a total fucking moron.\n\n>Seems like you need to work some stuff out.\n\n>Have a nice day, and try not to have an anger-induced aneurysm.\n\nYou're the one going on rage induced tirades powered by stupidity. If anyone's going to have an aneurysm here, it's you, fuckwit.\n\n\n",
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"content": "As actual progressives and liberals take back the Democratic party and American politics takes another step to the left, having a \"centrist\" like McCaskill bitching about Sanders and his supporters is one of the best things that could ever happen to him.\n\n\"Sanders actually stands for something? Psh, that's not what you mindless wage-slaving sheep want!\"",
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"content": "Shes a Hillary hit women. Hillary can't openly attack Sanders, she has a hard enough time concealing her abysmal voting record to being with. ",
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"content": "Hillary is in trouble. The party hasn't even started yet.",
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"content": "I love how people call Sanders \"extreme\", but then others note he shouldn't get such a big following because he's only a couple % different from Clinton on isidewith.com.",
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"content": "Let me get this straight. Sander's supporters have been smearing her constantly since he announced he was running. Unhinged comments that are usually expected from Fox/GOP instead of our own part. Now they're crying about her trying to play by his rules?\n\nGive me a break.",
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"content": "Bringing her voting record to light isn't smearing... She railed hard against gay marriage in 2007. She voted for the Iraq war based on \"evidence\" that was available to everyone. Was for NAFTA, shes for the TPP. I mean really, you think its smearing when we look at her record... LOL really silly. \n\nEDIT: Also want to point out she voted for the patriot act. Her record is abysmal. ",
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"content": "> She railed hard against gay marriage in 2007.\n\nSo did Obama. Yet I and most other Democrats support him.\n\n> She voted for the Iraq war based on \"evidence\" that was available to everyone. \n\nAs did 40% of the Democrats. I didn't support it, but a hell of a lot of the people in our party did. \n\n> Was for NAFTA, shes for the TPP. \n\nAgain 40% of Democrats voted for it. Unlike the Republicans, we are a big tent part. Some Democrats believe free trade promotes peace and prosperity for everyone. Some believe we should be more concerned about prosperity here. It is a difference in philosophy, not Republican-lite philosophy.\n\nYour reasons for opposing her are actually substantive. Most of the Sanders supporters sound remarkably similar to the Tea Party types when they attack her.\n",
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"content": "There is someone in this race that made the right decisions regarding those topics, with the same level of access to the same information. That says something about leadership. ",
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"content": "I am 100% satisfied with having voted for Obama, even though I haven't supported everything he has done. He holds the same beliefs as Clinton on most issues. I am 100% certain I will be happy with a Clinton Presidency. \n\nJust because I agree with someone about certain issues doesn't mean I would vote for them. It takes a special skill set to be an effective leader. I have seen nothing to make me believe Sanders has those skills regardless of how much I support his beliefs.",
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"content": "I wonder how a family that had a family member killed in Iraq would feel about Hilliary leadership. I wonder how families feels after their local industry was shipped off to China under NAFTA. I think they understand how important it is to be right the first time. \n\n\nThe simple fact is Bernie was right about the Iraq war, about NAFTA, about the TPP, about the Patriot Act. You can talk about empty platitudes all you want, I look at the voting record. And it speaks volumes. The only thing consistent about Hilliarys record is that she has been wrong about almost every major issue which affect the real lifes of real Americans. That and corporate money. I'm unhappy with that, & so are the vast majority of Americans. Nothing will change her voting record, she can change her rhetoric, not her record or the harm it has caused. Real harm. ",
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"content": "But...but...what about \"everyday Americans?\"\n\nShe even put the gays and some negroes and some sort of Mexican or other in her campaign announcement!\n",
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"content": "> You can talk about empty platitudes all you want, I look at the voting record. And it speaks volumes. \n\nJimmy Carter was a great guy. Incredible voting record. Great ideas. Horrible President. \n\nShow me how his (edit: his=Sanders') leadership skills were used to sway the others in the Democratic party to support his causes? I'll wait. Take your time. I'm sure you'll find something other than empty platitudes and a voting record to prove how great a leader he is.",
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"content": "Jimmy Carter had 8 years of government experience before he became president, Bernie has 30 years.. Also, I don't understand how this is an accurate comparison. Its like saying, Ronald Regan was a shit president, tell me why Hilliary won't be.. Makes no sense. ",
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"content": "> Makes no sense.\n\nBecause your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Which might explain your support for Sanders as well.\n\nGood luck to you and the rest of the Sanders circlejerk crew or GOP plants, whichever you are.",
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"content": "Are you unaware that \"democrat\" and \"progressive\" are separate labels?\n\nIf you think anything a member of the democratic party does is beyond reproach, then I don't think you're thinking critically. \"Democrats\" are just as capable of doing shitty things as Republicans are.\n\nThe reasons most \"democrats\" consistently \"supported\" Obama is that they had no real alternative.\n\nYou seem to be speaking nonsense here to defend your support of Hillary.\n\nCan you instead offer an argument why Hillary is better than Sanders rather than that Hillary is better than Ted Cruz?",
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"content": "> The reasons most \"democrats\" consistently \"supported\" Obama is that they had no real alternative.\n\nI'm the one speaking nonsense? \n\nQuick question before I forget about you. What did you do with this burner account before you decided to use it for nothing other than trolling Hillary supporters. ",
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"content": "You think Democrat-leaning voters would've preferred McCain in '08 or Romney in '12?\n\nYes, you seem to be the one speaking nonsense.\n\n>What did you do with this burner account before you decided to use it for nothing other than trolling Hillary supporters.\n\nBlast! You caught me! I thought my plan to create a reddit account two years before Hillary announced her campaign and well before she'd given serious consideration to running was perfect! I even posted and commented on a plethora of topics that had nothing to do with Hillary Clinton the whole while! How did you see through my elaborate rouse?!",
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"content": "> Blast! You caught me! I thought my plan to create a reddit account two years before Hillary announced her campaign and well before she'd given serious consideration to running was perfect! \n\nI knew it. I first suspected you were some dumb college kid because of the 87 in your username. But I went back several pages and saw nothing but Anti-Hillary post. I bet you would have been pissed if she had decided not to run. I'm golf clapping over here at your dedication.\n\nNow go find something better to do with your life than support the GOP.",
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"content": "Its true. Great point. I supported Obama also, because the alternative was a far right radical. If Hilliary wins the battle against Sanders, Ill support her. Because the far right party are a bunch of lunatics. However, its not there yet. This fight is between Hilliary & Bernie right now. And one of them has been consistent & correct in their policy decisions. ",
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"content": "The establishment seem confounded right now. They've never had to duke it out with an honest politician (as the phrase has come to seem rather oxymoronic).\n\nI'm very hopeful that Sanders might have a shot at righting the Titanic that is U.S. economic policy before it's too late, but right now it seems a question of whether he can overcome the repeated narrative that Hillary is unsinkable (or, perhaps more aptly, beyond scrutiny).",
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"content": "Note: This is purely a practical strategic analysis. It doesn't represent the way I want things to work, merely the way I believe they do...\n\n\nRegardless of whom you support, if you are a Democrat this is a GOOD thing. All the candidates need to put their full force in to winning the primaries - even if that means dirty tricks. Is it unseemly, or even disgusting? Yes. But if you can't stand up to dem-on-dem attacks during the primary you'll never be able to withstand the absolute filth that's going to get thrown in the general. If you bring a knife to a gun fight you are going to lose. The strongest (politically speaking) candidate is the one both parties are going to want to run.\n\nIMO Bernie now needs to hit back just as hard, or harder. If his strategy is to be the honorable one, that's fine too. I don't know that it will work (unfortunately people respond to negativity more than positivity) but if it does that's great! Maybe we'll see more in the future. If it doesn't then that's a sad commentary on the American public, but it's better to know now than later when things like future Supreme Court nominees are at stake.\n\n...I know I'll get hate for this, but I'm just trying to be objective - even if it means moving the country forward at a slower pace than I'd like. Better than going in reverse. Some may prefer to lose honorably than win by playing politics as usual. That's a noble goal. I just prefer not to risk another Bush or a Trump-type in the Whitehouse.",
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"content": "Because this is about hunting rights. The rich want the best spots and they don't want You Peasant 99% on their land.\n",
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"content": "Rand Paul: Feudalist candidate for president.",
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"content": "Does he believe any of the crap he spews? Or, is he like a meth addict who will perform any degrading sort of act for a little crystal.\n\nLibertarianism. Not even once.",
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"content": "Libertarians get caught in this mindset where all the policy outcomes of their philosophical ideas would surely be great because the idea of freedom is great. Accepting that any libertarian policy prescription does in fact lead to awful results would force them to question their underlying philosophy, which they're often unwilling to do because it'd be difficult and painful. Instead the usual reaction is denial and continuing on with the policies that would have awful effects in the mistaken belief that they'd magically be great for everyone.",
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"content": "Sounds like addiction thinking to me.",
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"content": ">Accepting that any libertarian policy prescription does in fact lead to awful results would force them to question their underlying philosophy\n\nOr to simply recognize that they'd be unwilling to sacrifice other people's freedoms in the hope of ameliorating those \"awful results\". We can disagree, but it's not really a dishonorable position.\n",
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"content": "Sacrificing freedoms to ameliorate awful results is called civilization. You're forbidden from murdering people, which is an infringement on your liberty to ameliorate an awful result. Same concept applies to essentially every law ever. The whole 'but people's liberty is infringed' thing isn't an effective defense to hide behind. There's literally no way to avoid infringing liberties. Even anarchy would result in it.\n\nI know it sounds good, claiming that people's liberties must not be infringed, and the people on that high horse no doubt feel nice and righteous while they preach it, but sounding good is all it is. It doesn't stand up to actual examination.",
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"content": ">Sacrificing freedoms to ameliorate awful results is called civilization.\n\nAnd you're just as welcome to hold that position as the libertarian is to hold his. Neither of you are evil or stupid. You simply disagree. It's okay to disagree.",
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"content": "Some positions are logically defensible and some aren't. It is possible for people to be flat out wrong. They don't just 'disagree'. And it is entirely appropriate, and necessary, to point the wrongness out. This is especially important when we're talking about public policy. Someone's wrong idea about public policy hurts millions of people if it gets enacted. That's why this is important, and not simply disagreement.",
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"content": "Ok.",
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"content": "what will we do with all of our guns then?",
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"content": "That is how Andrew Jackson paid off the national debt, but I'm not sure it would work out as good for us this time. ",
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"content": "It seems like he's colluding with the rich in the most shady way possible.\n\nBut Rand Paul aside. Managing the supply and demand of hunting my putting a market value on hunting rather than through hunting seasons seems kind of reasonable now that people don't have to hunt for food.\n\nI feel like some of the Republican free market ideals have some merit. I just don't know why they have such an insane, corrupt way of running their party that focuses on social policies that don't make sense.",
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"content": "This is the first time I have seen the Republicans get worried...love it. This isn't from team Hillary this is from team GOP.\n\nYou can always tell it is going to be a hit piece from the picture, this one makes Bernie look constipated. ",
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"content": "The GOP isn't worried about Bernie Sanders. Hillary would be very tough for them to beat. If Bernie gets nominated then it's up to the GOP to blow it by doing something crazy like nominating Rand Paul or something. ",
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"content": "Then why the hit piece?",
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"content": "What hit piece? ",
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"content": "The one you posted...you did read it right? \n\nIt is obvious you are no Democrat so why the troll?",
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"content": "Only a Sanders fanatic would call this a hit piece. The Ron Paul people acted this way as well. I'm anti-Sanders just as I was anti-Paul in 2008 and 2012. I guess you could say that I'm against 70+ year old nut jobs with bad hair and no chance of winning in a general election. ",
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"content": "What you are is a right wing nut. Anti labor anti, minimum wage, Ive got mine fuck the rest of you .\n\n>\"I am lazy, stupid, and have no skills but I need to be paid far more than the market rate for my labor. I want $15/hr to operate an automatic hamburger grill at McDonald's. I can't be bothered to get a better job. I'll probably flunk the drug test, anyways.\"\n\n-Deadbeat logic.\n\n\nWhat you sure as hell aren't is a Democrat go the hell away.!!",
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"content": "You think being against doubling the minimum wage on the drop of a dime makes me a nut? LOL. ***You*** are the nut, my friend. A Sanders fanatic. I support moderates. ",
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"content": "Like the Donald???\n\n>Sorry, Donald Trump Has A Point\n\n\nI agree!\n\nAlso, the morons on the left and in the media who are overreacting to his statements are playing right into his hands. This stuff makes him stronger with the GOP base. Trump knows what he's doing, he's no idiot.\n",
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"content": " I of course stand by that. He knows what he's doing. I find his campaign to be hilarious albeit for different reasons than Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders.",
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"content": "Stand by this one as well??\n\n>Bruce Jenner is still a large man. How is a real woman supposed to know when the fake woman in the locker room is a real tranny or when the fake woman is a possible rapist? Transgendered people need to just accept themselves for who they are, not who they want to be. They need to conform to societal norms, society should not accommodate the mentally ill like this. ",
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"content": "Of course I stand by that. ",
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"content": "The Clinton campaign shouldn't worry about Sanders. It should worry about his supporters. They won't vote for Clinton. ",
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"content": "I will. I am going to vote for Bernie even if he withdraws from the race before it get to my state. I think the powers that be and any future liberal needs to know there are people in the Democratic party who support a liberal agenda.\n\nBut when it comes down to the General election..I AM A DEMOCRAT!! ",
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"content": "Many feel Clinton doesn't represent Democratic values. Voting for the Iraq War, most of her big donors are WallStreet banks, famous quote \"lobbyists are people, too\", etc.",
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"content": "OK let's say Bernie falls short and doesn't get the nomination What Republican do you thin more represents Democratic values? \n\nBecause if you admit it or not that will be your choice. If you AB Sec. Clinton with any other candidate beside Sen. Sanders she look like a progressive.. \n\nShe is talking like a progressive...she may even be a progressive....we know she is a politician\n\nBernie is a progressive I have no doubt",
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"content": "Sorry, the Democratic Party needs to do better than their silly lesser-of-two-evils game. If a candidate isn't good enough, no vote. ",
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"content": "A no vote is still a vote. If you don't vote you are fulfilling a plan of some one else. Some who doesn't have your best interest at heart...you are being played by people who spent a lot of time and money to keep you from voting.\n\n>Conservative Republicans’ most powerful weapon is cynicism about government -- which they’ve been able to enlarge and spread simply by being incompetent, corrupt, bigoted, and dumb. The worse they get, the more I hear from people “nothing can get done,” “it’s useless to try,” “government is dysfunctional,” and “why should I get involved?” In other words, the lower they sink, the closer they come to their ultimate goal – making Americans so distrustful of government that we give up on it, and cede it to the moneyed interests (big corporations, Wall Street, Koch brothers and their billionaire friends) that would like nothing better than to have it all to themselves.\n\n Robert Reich, Labor Secretary under Bill Clinton \n\nOr did you forget who started those wars, who took the economy to the brink,...who cut taxes for the rich and cut benefits for the poor...The environment ...global warming...human rights ....I could go on but suffice it to say more evil... is a lot more evil!\n\nDon't cut off your nose to spite your face don't lose ground that will take decades to get back. maybe Clinton isn't all you wanted but damn.\n\n\nAnd if nothing else think of SCOTUS and the likley 3 seats the POTUS will appoint.\n\n",
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"content": "The Democratic Party might want to do something about that. It's up to them. It's their problem, not mine.",
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"content": "Moving to Canada?",
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"content": "Why would I? This is my country. Fuck the politicians.",
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"content": "Then it is your problem.",
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"content": "My problem is with corrupt and unqualified politicians, hence, I choose not to vote for them.\n\nIf Democratic politicians have a problem with that, then it is their problem.",
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"content": "Clinton is sweating it so little, she's barely campaigning. Holed up in an undisclosed location for 90% of the time, the Clinton campaign just coast along, not fretting Bernie's rapid rise, which has not plateaued yet. It's no big deal if 5,000 see him in Minneapolis, or 5,000 in Denver, or 10,000 in Wisconsin, or 2,500 somewhere in Iowa, or 5,000 at his kickoff in Burlington, or the thousands who will show up in Portland Maine on Monday.",
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"content": "Maybe it's because they aren't crackpots. They hold sensible opinions.",
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"content": "None of those other Dems have a political persona strong enough. If Liz Warren were running they would be mentioning her.\n\nThe GOP candidates are already known entities, except for Kasich. ",
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"content": "There are only going to be reports if a candidate is either viable or does something really surprising/outrageous. We don't hear about George Pataki on the GOP side, he's like O'Malley, Chaffee, or Webb, a former statewide elected official who doesn't have a chance at winning and barely gets covered.",
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"content": "all media is owned by GOP..",
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"content": "Because, like you said, the guys in the GOP are clowns. You hear about the two or three guys who actually have a chance like Walker, Bush and Rubio, and you hear about the clowns like Jindal, Trump, and Rand Paul who have no chance but are funny. You don't really hear about Pataki, Kasich, and Graham because they have no chance and they're boring candidates who aren't doing anything newsworthy.",
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"content": "I think Graham straddles the line because his social and fiscal policy are boring but his foreign policy is pure clown. ",
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"content": "Republicans aren't ready to nominate a gay man.",
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"content": "Because bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are buzz words right now. The media and Reddit cover them extensively, and Sanders gets WAYYYYY too much coverage on Reddit, I came on /r/politics today and the frontpage is like a Bernie Sanders newsfeed, with a Hillary Clinton article near the bottom of the second page. \n\n",
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"content": "Not to mention that Clinton keeps getting smeared relentlessly. I have nothing really bad to say about Bernie per se but some of his supporters seem to \"support\" him by tearing down HRC at every opportunity ",
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"content": "I agree. Sanders is a decent candidate, his posse on Reddit are rabid fanboys though. ",
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"content": "Not necessarily true. Reddit gets sited quite frequently on the nightly new stations. They are coming here for news. I hope Sanders gets elected. A sensible New Englander. I think he knows a great deal about how things work in politics and has figured out how to get his message out. I have already donated to him several times, and will continue to do so, as I am investing in his vision of single payer Healthcare and free public university. These two things alone with the right educational funding could launch a new golden age in the US.",
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"content": "No it is true. You just went on a spiel about Sanders just now. You aren't saying anything new hundreds of others are saying on Reddit on right now, as I said he gets way too much attention here. It is like no one else can be brought up, and if they are brought up they get shitted on. ",
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"content": "I like Clinton, but I don't think she will have my best interests at heart. She would be a good leader for this country. The Republican side has a diverse group of people, but many have yet to come out with what they are for. They have not offered suggestions on how to change the direction of this country, only to continue fighting battles progressives have won. The continue for the most part to use tired old playbooks. Sanders has a decent outline of what he wants to do and how he intends to do it, and that is one reason for his strong showing here. I am from RI, and Lincoln Chafee was a dud here, so I would not recommend him although moving to the metric system is a good idea. The other two former governors may have promise, but have not been on the national stage as long as Clinton and Sanders so their voices are small right now. The real truth is that while Sanders may be good for the executive branch, he will need help from the legislative branch to achieve his goals, and that is where the gains needs to be made to move his agenda forward as well as this nation.",
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"content": "I am not talking about Clinton. What about the 3 other people running for the Democrats? Our even Jill Stein from the Green Party? All this Sanders circlejerking does is disallow other candidates from being seen so all people see is Sanders and not others who can have the same ideals or even better ones. Complete and utter bias, something people hate Fox News for, yet it is being done here too.",
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"content": "If all people see is Sanders' message, then his machine is working correctly. He may not need billions of dollars to get the same name recognition as Clinton (good thing). The other party candidates should take a queue from Sanders and his supporters to get their message out. I think this election cycle may be the start of something new, as cable cutters are really having an effect on the candidates ability to reach new groups of voters. The internet is where most people flock to now to get their information, while cable is seeing less viewership. I live in a very republican town, and had great conversations this past weekend with my conservative friends, who surprisingly are supporting Sanders. I asked why, and they said \"because he is authentic\". I was taken aback. So, he is definitely having an impact, and his message is being heard far and wide.",
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"content": "It is like no one is reading my posts. ",
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"content": "Clinton's supporters are more than welcome to click on those little up arrows. What you are seeing is a groundswell of support for Sanders among real people.",
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"content": "No it is called circlejerking. People see Bernie do much that is all they see and agree with it. It is also called pushing a agenda and bias. ",
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"content": "Of course it is pushing an agenda with bias. That's exactly what politics is. Without a bias of some sort to do something, what empetus would there be to try to chance things? For example, I am biased towards believing 99% of scientists that global warming is real & man made, and something we should try to deal with.",
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"content": "You are completely missing my point. There are no other candidates being offered the limelight on Reddit making it very biased. All everyone is doing is giving Sanders the limelight so no one is informed about other candidates. \n\nAre you not understanding how only knowing about 2 candidates instead of the entire 5 from the party isn't being biased or agenda pushing?",
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"content": "The media are not covering the politics, they are covering the race. That is the event. On the GOP side, all of those people are in the race. On the Dem side, not that much. If Lincoln Chafee can get even 250 people to an event in Iowa or New Hampshire, he will get coverage.",
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"content": "Gotta admit, it's not a good sign when in his post complaining about the underexposure of O'Malley, Chafee, and Webb, OP misspells \"Chafee\" and \"Webb.\"",
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"content": "A candidate on the GOP polling as badly as Lincoln Chaffee isn't getting a ton of coverage. The coverage that he is getting is because he's behind the GOP frontrunner by 10 points, not 59 points like Chaffee and Webb are. ",
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"content": "Because Hillary Clinton will be the next President and Bernie Sanders is the Democratic counterpart to Ron Paul. The other Democratic candidates both have no chance *and* have no notable following or unique ideology.\n\nThis is not the case for the GOP, a more ideologically fragmented party where it is more of a free-for-all and it is less certain who the nominee will be. Moreover, the GOP \"clown car\" consists of way more crazy and amusing personalities like Donald Trump who the press loves to report on. No one wants to report on Martin O'Malley because he's just boring.",
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"content": "Webb's recent announcement of his candidacy was orchestrated like a news dump, done on the thursday before a long holiday weekend. Running to Clinton's right in a Democratic primary, he's going nowhere.\n\nLincoln Chaffee, the other former Republican in the race, has no constituency. He is a valiant champion of the metric system though.\n\nMartin O'Malley is just a tool of the Clinton campaign. He'll do to America what he did to Baltimore. He's going nowhere.\n\nIt's a 2 person race between Clinton and Sanders.",
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"content": "What will be interesting in the debates, assuming Webb and Chaffee are in them, is you will have two former Republicans who were against going to war with Iraq, along with Sanders. Clinton will be the odd one in the bunch on foreign policy.",
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"content": "same thing was said about Truman in '48. Not sure how it worked out, but i don't recall a [President Dewey.](http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-08-16-deweydefeatstruman.jpg)",
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"content": "Truman was the sitting president of the United States and in the general election. Bernie Sanders is in a primary and a sitting U.S. senator. Also Truman was a moderate and Bernie is a democratic socialist. I like Bernie Sanders but that comparison makes no sense outside of the two of them being considered underdogs.",
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"content": "If Bernie can somehow show he has actual support among moderates then I'm all in. However, AFAIK he's never really competed in an election that wasn't weighted in favor of progressives. The mere mention of the word 'socialist' is sure to drive frightened conservative to the polls in droves - so he's going to need more than just luke-warm support with the center. My greatest fear is that he's the perfect target for the right-wing smear machine.",
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"content": "Give it another couple years and they'll redefine the word \"Democrat\" so it scares moderates too. Then we can just vote for republicans for fear of losing an election.",
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"content": "Except Democrats have been a party since Andrew Jackson while the high tide of socialism was Eugene Debs. Do you think the Republicans should, as a matter of getting elected, nominate Rick Santorum? Why or why not? ",
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"content": "The only reason they were able to redefine 'socialist' to be a dirty word is because the concept is fairly foreign to most people in the US (and probably because it reminds people of communism). The real question is if Sanders is capable of single-handedly correcting all of these misconceptions. It's a big job, and I don't think it's unreasonable to have doubts as to its feasibility.\n\nAlso, hypothetically, if there were some magical way to make 'Democrat' completely unpalatable to voters, the next logical step wouldn't be for liberals to change ideology - it would be to rebrand themselves as something else, like \"Progressives\". But, honestly, if it were possible to redefine an established political party to be a dirty word the Republicans would have done that to themselves long ago.",
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"content": "I'm still unconvinced. If he continues on this trajectory once the real campaign starts and the punches start flying, and if he proves his popularity carries into moderate states, then I'll feel a lot better about him being the Democratic candidate in 2016. \n\nPolitics is messy. Sometimes the best policies are complicated and voters prefer a bumper sticker slogan to a lengthy explanation. There's a reason Sanders is such a rare type of candidate - most candidates that fight 'fair' don't go far. I don't even blame the politicians for that - it's what works with the voters, unfortunately.\n\nWhoever the Democratic candidate is, I'll support them fully. Not just with my vote, but with my wallet. In the primary season, however, I want to see some really tough campaigning. I WANT to see mud thrown - because that's what will happen (tenfold) in the general election, and I want to put forth the candidate most likely to win and advance the progressive agenda.",
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"content": "As a Clinton supporters I kind of want to see this too. I see Sanders quickly gaining support among the \"young liberal\" crowd, but older and black Democrats I think may trip him up. ",
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"content": "In the general I think we can count on the R's sending a conservative that had to get further right than normal to win out in that big crowd. I just don't see the in-between voters going for a conservative. Rand Paul would be the only candidate that could probably swing enough votes away from sanders ",
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"content": "I doubt they are going to nominate someone as far right as, say, Trump. They'll nominate someone they feel is competitive. Also, I'm not worried about flipping votes - anyone who would consider voting Sanders will likely never vote Republican. I'm worried about then just suppressing the vote by using scare tactics. It's depressingly easy to make people just sat 'Fuck it' and not show up. At the same time they could use the 'socialist' mantra to turn their voters out in large numbers.",
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"content": "In a general election the moderates (and people who frankly can be swayed either way) would vote for sanders over most R's. I only think rand paul could split or win that vote.",
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"content": "If I were certain of that I'd be more comfortable with Sanders. Are there any polls that back this up? \n\nMy biggest fear is that Sanders would be a huge target for smear politics. He says what he thinks - which is great, but it also makes it super easy to find sound bites that can be used against him.",
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"content": "He owns what he says though and has nothing to hide. The thoughts on swing voters are my own opinion ",
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"content": "Bernie really needs to be president. The country can't stop declining like it had been :/",
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"content": "I like Bernie. In Vermont they can smell the freedom just over the border...in Quebec. Hilary has a ton of experience but she wants to play it safe down the middle. I forgive her for this but I really like the direction Bernie Sanders is pushing.",
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"content": "This country could really use some socialism applied in the *right* places. *Not* tax money flowing into failing bank balance sheets. *Not* bespoke tax code and regulation for any person or corporate \"person\" with the means to purchase it. We need the type of socialism that will actually strengthen our economy, strengthen the country.\n\nWe need to be educating the population, gaining control of our health spending, and redistributing the gains that have gone exclusively to the top 1%. We need to put purchasing power into the hands of the greatest part of our population, not just the richest few. And in so doing, we will do more to stimulate our economy than anything trickle-down has ever done or will ever do.\n",
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"content": "I don't think we need too much more \"socialism\". This is the sort of country where victims of socialism seek economic refuge. No need to screw around too much with what's working. \n\nIn more rational times Sanders would simply be laughed at, rather than someone who gets laughed at who happens to get 10,000 misguided people to show up at his rallies. Look to Bill Clinton as the model Democratic candidate for the modern era. ",
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"content": "Except only that it's *not* working. Current levels of income inequality are not sustainable for the US economy at large. Paying more than any other modern society to provide health care to less of the population is also not working. \n\nWhat folks like you don't realize, or perhaps realize all too well and are trying to preserve, is that we already have socialism, just applied in all the wrong ways. Our military is a jobs program that manufactures tanks and jet fighters that don't work or nobody needs. Our finanical services industry, essentially the only thing the US \"produces\" anymore, is only functioning today thanks to tax payer life support. Our elections are financed in such way that the highest bidders essentially get to write the laws to serve their own interests. The cost of higher education in this country is rising at rates exponentially higher than inflation while wages stagnate.\n\nIf any of that spells \"working\" to you, then we have a fundamental disagreement as to the meaning of the word. What actually *works* is a distribution of wealth where a strong middle class has spending power. What actually *works* is a government that doesn't cater to special interests to the detriment of our health, environment, and prosperity. \n\nThese are basic tenets of progressive thinking that many Democrats embrace and find a champion for in Bernie Sanders. If you've come here to denigrate them or him, I would caution you to observe the sidebar rules. \"Trolls will be defenstrated\".\n\n",
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"content": "Income *equality* would be a much bigger problem than current levels of inequality. Most people aren't too concerned about billionaires having money. Lots of us work for them! As things are right now the standard of living in the US is sky high, even for the so-called \"poor\". I'm all in favor of some government programs to give people assistance. We've got plenty of them and can get everything that needs to be done with our current programs. Ideally, we'd make do with less! \n\nOur military is essential to maintaining the world's security and economy. No one else is capable of doing what we do. When our military pulls back bad folks fill the vacuum. \n\nYou can get campaign finance reform without supporting a crackpot candidate. \n\nI'm more interested in the creation of wealth, not the distribution of it. When you get too involved in trying to make everything equal you wind up with everyone getting poorer. If Sanders ever gets his 90% tax rate you will surely see almost everyone with a lot of money putting their money to better use overseas. \n\nBernie Sanders is the Ron Paul of the left. He's unrealistic, way too old, a little bit crazy, and his ideas would be very damaging. There's of course parallels between the way Paul fans and the Sanders fans behave. Interestingly enough a lot of former Ron Paul people are now posters at /r/SandersForPresident! LOL! ",
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"content": "What's unrealistic about making public colleges free to attend? That was the case here until the 80's, and nearly all of europe does it.",
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"content": "You cherry picked a single position. It's not as bad as some of his other ideas but it's still not very smart. [Here](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/05/19/sen-bernie-sanders-wants-free-tuition-at-four-year-public-colleges-heres-why-it-wont-work/) is a piece that analyzes that simply from a policy standpoint. \n\n\"Here\" public colleges are cheap. Community colleges are even cheaper. You can also go to trade school or the military, which pays for college. People need to stop looking to the State to pay for every step of their lives. Europe's a mess. We should work on being more like America again, and less like Europe. ",
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"content": "> more like America again...\n\nFunny you say that, because that's exactly what Bernie and his supporters want, to erase the damage of three decades of trickle down, illiminate SCOTUS sanctioned political corruption, give everyone access to higher education, spend money on infrastructure. You know, more like America when it was actually trying to be better, instead of just selling itself to the highest paying special interest.",
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"content": "Bernie's a reactionary who wants to bring us back to a time when the rest of the world's developed economies were recovering from being literally ruined by WW2. His economic policies would be a disaster in the modern world. They would make the people of the US much poorer. \n\nYou are white washing his positions in a lame attempt to make Sanders out to be a reasonable person. You should know that I'm not dumb enough to fall for that stuff. ",
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"content": "> [reactionary](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reactionary)\n\n adjective\n 1. of, pertaining to, marked by, or favoring reaction, especially extreme conservatism or rightism in politics; opposing political or social change.\n \n noun, plural reactionaries.\n 2. a reactionary person.\n\nFunny, I thought your complaint was that he was a far-left progressive social democrat. Bernie's not trying to bring us back to the 50's, he's pulling us out of the 80's, the decade in which the failed experiments of deregulation and trickle down got their start. I'm not whitewashing anything. I'm laying it out the way it is. \n\nYou're the one setting up communist strawmen and throwing around unsupported hyperbole about economic disaster. ",
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"content": ">Bernie's not trying to bring us back to the 50's, \n\nBernie and his fans keep talking up the 50s, especially when defending his insane tax ideas. On fiscal issues Bernie is into outdated ideas which have been proven to not work.\n\nAs I've explained already, the bigger problem is that Americans are always striving to live the best life possible and do no live within their means. How about we go back to looking at 1400 square feet as ideal/slightly big for a family house? Why not turn off the damn AC (which most of us do not even need) and open the windows or better yet go outside? And so forth. ",
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"content": "What does turning off the AC and downsizing square feet of living space have to do with reversing three decades of trickle down and financial deregulation.\n\nWhich fiscal issues are you referring to exactly? And how have they been proven not to work? I'd love to see some cited unbiased sources for this.\n\nPlease stop using words like \"insane\" and \"crackpot\", lest someone mistakes you for a troll.",
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"content": "The standard of living has risen tremendously, as has the buying power of peoples wages. It's not the government's fault that people are not interested in living within their means. One only needs to check /u/NoLoooooob's profile to see someone who is a troll. ",
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"content": "Which fiscal issues are you referring to exactly? And how have they been proven not to work? I'd love to see some cited unbiased sources for this.",
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"content": "Raising taxes to build the economy and help the middle class! The source is the real world. Another incredibly stupid idea of his is to raise the minimum wage to $15/hr. When you increase the cost of labor you are decreasing the demand for it. Doubling the federal minimum wage is insane. Why should a guy who shows up to McDonald's high on pot where he operates an automatic hamburger grill get paid the same entry level salary as someone with an entry level job manufacturing Boeing airplanes? The Boeing employee would have to be paid much more. This will make investing in the US a dumb move. Companies like Boeing would just invest in Mexico or Canada instead! Bernie needs to go to a community college and take an Economics 101 course. ",
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"content": "And how have they been proven not to work? I'd love to see some cited unbiased sources for this.\n\n",
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"content": "This is common sense, Lube. A child should be able to tell you that when you take 90% of the money away from the productive class that there's less incentive to create and less money to invest. I just explained to you the problem with doubling the minimum wage. You really should think about joining the rest of us here in the real world. \n\nhttp://www.cnbc.com/id/102607092",
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"content": "You are not a reputable and unbiased source. You said Bernie's economic policy ideas have been proven not to work. \n\n>On fiscal issues Bernie is into outdated ideas which have been proven to not work.\n\nHow have they been \"proven\" not to work? You haven't explained anything. What *has* been proven not to work is the policy of deregulation and trickle down we've had to varying degrees since the 80's. That has been *empirically* proven to not work. \n\nI would enjoy this discussion much more if you could spare the downvotes, insults, and conjecture and elevate your arguments to the same standards of proof applied to the dismantling of trickle-down and deregulation as economic panacea.\n\n",
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"content": "You're talking out your rear end. The last two Democratic presidents have demonstrated their belief that a more pro-market approach to achieving left wing goals is the smart way to go. It's been proven in the real world. Bottom line is Bernie Sanders is a nutcase and the Democrats would be foolish to nominate him. ",
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"content": "You're the one talking out your rear end. All you're spouting is ad hominem and conjecture. I'm stating facts, like the fact that there is abundant empirical evidence showing that trickle down does not work. Being against trickle down is not anti-market, it's anti-failed-policy. The markets will not suffer from stricter regulation and enforcement, they'll be made stronger. \n\nYou're confusing profits at the financials with a barometer of healthy markets. If anything, we should be shaping an economy where financials, who make nothing and produce nothing, do not overwhelmingly make up the majority of our GDP.\n\nBottom line is you have no argument and you have yet to show this proof you claim exists that Sanders' economic policies would be a disaster. Again, it's all conjecture on your part. Your big idea is to continue the current failed policy of trickle down, loose regulation and enforcement, and regressive redistribution of wealth upwards. Talk about a nutcase.\n\n",
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"content": "I'm right, you just don't want to hear it. This is the same type of crap I've seen from the Ron Paul supporters. ",
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"content": "You have a poorly formed opinion, conjecture, and a childish habit of name calling. Nothing about you is \"right\". You just don't want to hear that trickle down is a failure. \n\nIt's the same type of crap I hear from a lot of CNBC viewers and Reagan worshipers. These are usually the same folks that deny the existence of man-made climate change and evolution. Not exactly the deepest thinkers, very prone to believing whatever Rush Limbaugh or Jim Cramer tell them to believe. ",
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"content": "You don't have to listen to Rush Limbaugh to form those opinions. Barack Obama and Bill Clinton would even tell you the same thing, each in their own way. Doubling the minimum wage is extreme. Same goes for a 90% income tax rate. ",
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"content": "Your continued insistence that trickle down works is rather extreme. Raising the minimum wage and top marginal tax rates are considerable movement in a particular direction in policy, but I'm not sure I'd call those *extreme*. In any case, Bill and Obama aren't running for office. And I certainly don't see any evidence to suggest the disaster you predict as a result of those policies. \n\nWe've had 90% top marginal rates before and the world did not end. As for raising minimum wage, we'll have some empirical data from places like Seattle to examine by the time the election rolls around. There's nothing to back up your claims of impending doom. I have a hunch Seattle will be just fine.",
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"content": "Doubling the minimum wage and raising the top tax rate to 90% but only for the people who already pay half the income taxes in this country is ridiculous. \n\nWhen we had 90% top tax rate the rest of the developed world was recovering from WW2. This is a different world. Jack up the tax to 90% and double the minimum wage and you will see money leaving the USA in favor of places with more reasonable economic climates. ",
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"content": "Well I don't see you proposing an alternate plan. Just more of the same failed trickle down nonsense. Even your own party is making income inequality an issue in this election, but much like you, their \"solutions\" are more deregulation and more trcikle down. It's not selling.",
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"content": "You keep trying to turn this around on me, but I'm not the one who supports a guy who wants a 90% tax rate, a $15 minimum wage, and limits on the number of varieties of deodorant available in stores. LOL!",
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"content": "No, we really won't, wages were already high in Seattle.",
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"content": "Oh look, it's another mod from /r/berniesanderssucks, come to join the troll party. You know, you guys could be just a bit more subtle about it. Here I have comments threaded two pages deep in /r/democrats, arguing against right-wing gibberish, and somehow I'm downvoted to -3.\n\nReported for trolling and brigading.",
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"content": "Nobody is advocating for complete income equality. That is a communist straw man, which I won't waste time dismantling. What is actually being discussed is a more equitable distribution of gains. For decades now, all of our economic growth is being absorbed by the top 1%. That is not sustainable and is actually detrimental to the entire economy, including the top 1%. \n\nOur military would function just as well at 90% or even 80% of current funding levels. Start by not building the tanks that the generals themselves say nobody needs and you conveniently avoided addressing. That money, put to better use, could fund insfrastructure, education, healthcare, public elections, you name it.\n\nCalling Sanders a \"crackpot\" is trolly ad hominem and does nothing to support your position. I suggest you read the sidebar again, moderator of /r/berniesanderssucks.",
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"content": "Bernie is looking for a 90% top tax rate. The top 1% pays [nearly half](http://www.cnbc.com/id/102581780) of all federal income taxes, and nearly half of Americans pay NO federal income tax. And Bernie Sanders is out saying the well-off aren't paying their \"fair share\" and is pushing for a 90% income tax rate. His position is insane! \n\nThe lower rungs of the income ladder have seen their lifestyles increase considerably over the past few decades. Same goes for the middle. Why do we need 2000+ SQ FT houses now when during the 50s that Sanders loves so much, a time when families were larger, people made do with 800 to 900 SQ FT homes (or smaller!)? The bottom line is that a lot of our people are always striving to live a better life than they can afford. This is a problem with culture, one that redistribution of wealth cannot solve. \n\nThe military is necessary and if anything we need to increase funding. \n\nSanders is without question a crackpot. The Democrats would be foolish to nominate him, considering that by doing so they would be giving up their advantage in the electoral college. It would also be foolish because socialism simply doesn't work. It's bad economics and it's bad for the culture! ",
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"content": "> Bernie is looking for a 90% top tax rate. \n\nNobody actually pays the marginal tax rate. You know that, right? Not that I'm saying a top bracket of 90% is necessary, nor is Bernie saying that. What he did say was that, given the effective rate the highest brackets actually pay is much, much lower than the marginal rate, a 90% marginal rate was not too high. Bernie was asked for his opinion and he gave it. He's not making a 90% rate a cornerstone of his platform. \n\n> Why do we need 2000+ SQ FT houses now\n\nI'm with you on the homes. Mine is 1,100 sq ft. But I think you're confused on how that all came about. That was loose lending, deregulation, and short term profit greed of the banks fueling a flood of free money that led to consumers adopting a \"property ladder\" approach to their real estate purchases. This was enthusiastically encouraged and promoted by the RE and financial industry, as they were making greater and greater profits as a result. Builders of course were more than happy to build the McMansions, because they could get more profit from their investment by cramming sticks-and-bricks disposable structures up against each other on postage stamp sized lots, instead of building modestly priced starter homes.\n\n> nearly half of Americans pay NO federal income tax\n\nThe nearly half of Americans you mention, those \"takers\", include retirees, disabled, and part timer workers making so little that they file exempt. I'd be fine if the lowest brackets paid some nominal rate, actually, but the loopholes and tax breaks enjoyed by the highest bracket tax payers need to be reigned in. Or, if they get to keep their loopholes and tax breaks, apply a higher marginal rate.\n\n\n> This is a problem with culture, one that redistribution of wealth cannot solve.\n\nOur ever increasing income disparity is most certainly *not* a problem of culture. It is a result of policy. That policy, started in the 80's, is known as trickle down economics. It is an abysmal failure, made only worse by the current state of campaign finance that allows those enriched by those policies to purchase even more favor from our government. We are already redistributing wealth, *to the top*. You seem to be perfectly fine with redistributing up.\n\n> The military is necessary and if anything we need to increase funding.\n\nYes, our military is necessary, but it would be just as effective if we stopped producing tanks that nobody needs. It would be just as effective if spending equaled the combined total of the next 3 largest military powers, instead of 7. We would still more than double the runner-up China's spending. We most certainly do not need to increase military funding. Where funding increases are actually necessary is in infrastructure, financial regulatory enforcement agencies, and national health services, to name just a few.\n\n\n\n> Sanders is without question a crackpot.\n\nAh, the ever effective childish insult ad hominem attack. Nanny-nanny, boo-boo, right back at you. \n\n\n> socialism simply doesn't work\n\nNobody's trying to replace democracy with socialism. But you continue building that strawman. I'll stick to the facts and issues, like my man Bernie.",
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"content": "Buyers brought on the bigger houses. You can't blame de-regulation for people's choices. Not only does Bernie want a 90% tax rate, he also said that we should limit the number of deodorants we have in the stores. The 1% that gets demonized by this crackpot Sanders' campaign pays almost half the income taxes in this country! And that asshole Sanders has the nerve to say that these people, mostly self-made, are not paying their fair share. \n\nIncreasing the military budget is necessary. Part of why our budget is so high is because people in this country get paid so much for what they do. We've seen a decrease in US involvement overseas during the current administration and anyone who is reasonable would say that pulling back and letting folks like Russia, China, ISIS, etc fill the power vacuum was a mistake. \n\nBottom line is Bernie is a sure bet to lose. He can either lose now and the Democratic party still has a rather good chance in November, or he can lose against the GOP nominee. The choice is up to the Democratic primary voters. ",
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"content": "> crackpot Sanders .... that asshole Sanders \n\nPlease refrain from using the trolly ad hominem attacks. Surely you can make your point without stooping to name calling. It's best you save that sort of language for /r/BernieSandersSucks, which you created for just that sort of thing, I imagine.",
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"content": "Bernie is going to win because with today's social media, it's too hard for Hillary to hide what a wolf in sheep's clothing that she is.",
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"content": "Or its easy to trick young idealistic people that a 30 year libera career is really a female Mitt Romney.",
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"content": "Bernie Sanders supporters sound like Ron Paul supporters. ",
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"content": "How so?",
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"content": "Fanaticism. I'm a Bernie supporter but sometimes I just shake my head. Luckily though, Bernie is not a racist, goldbug, cuckoo bird like Ron, so the comparison really just stops at fanatic support for an outsider type candidate. ",
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"content": "OK, understood. Yeah, I suppose enthusiasm at this level could be seen as fanaticism. ",
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"content": "Nah, haven't yet talked with a Bernie supporter who thought his online fans would magically hand him the election. Remember the continual Ron Paul moneybombs?",
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"content": "Bullshit. With the exception of '92, ever since 1976, when proliferating primaries and caucuses became the basis for selecting convention delegates, every single nominee but one, in both parties, won either Iowa or New Hampshire.",
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"content": "Nate Silver really knows what he's doing. He correctly predicted the outcome of *every state* in the 2012 elections, not to mention correctly predicting something like 95% of all the senate and house races. \n\nAt least read the article before you dismiss him out of hand. ",
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"content": "I did read the whole article. Maybe the guy is good at predictions, but I'll still be extremely surprised if Sanders doesn't get the nomination if he wins either NH or IA, especially if he takes both. ",
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"content": "His argument seems to boil down to Sanders' lack of support among minority groups. Personally, I think this is more of an artifact of name recognition than anything else, but only time will tell. \n\nWinning Iowa and New Hampshire will make a huge difference as far as name recognition goes, anyway. Feel the Bern!",
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"content": "The question, really, is whether Bernie's lack of support from non-white voters revolves around name-recognition or issues. The [National Journal article](http://www.nationaljournal.com/hillary-clinton-2016-democratic-nomination-20150705) that Nate Silver linked seemed to indicate that it could be issues and not just name recognition:\n\n> Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, the challenger with the most momentum, represents a state that's 95 percent white, where Asian-Americans and multi-racial voters outnumber blacks. He's focused most of his campaign message on income inequality, constraining Wall Street excess, and campaign finance reform, while avoiding discussions on race relations, urban policing, or gun control. Only 25 percent of non-white Democratic voters said they'd even consider backing the senator's presidential bid, according to last month's NBC/Wall Street Journal survey.\n\nAnyway, I think that Iowa and New Hampshire are becoming less important. They're less representative of the country as a whole. Obama lost the 2008 New Hampshire primary to Hillary. Iowa went to Huckabee in 2008 and Santorum in 2012. The issues that play really well in Iowa are not as important to the rest of the country, so a candidate custom designed for Iowa* won't necessarily do as well on Super Tuesday.\n\n*In the past two elections, this has been more true for Republicans than Democrats. Iowa picked the Christian conservative Republican in both 2008 and 2012, and each time they went on to lose to the eventual nominee in New Hampshire. ",
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"content": "[Also, there's this](http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/map.php) that might impact the 2020 election and cast at least a small shadow on the primary cycle for this one.",
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"content": "I think the weakness with polling and statistical analysis here is that it's hard to tell how much that support might change if more people heard about the relatively unknown candidate. It might be a lot, it might not be much at all.",
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"content": "With the exception of 1992 and incumbency,when did a democrat win?",
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"content": "Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding what it is you are asking can you rephrase that to be more specific? ",
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"content": "I was making the point that Democrats are historically prone to going too liberal and allowing a super liberal to win the nomination, but lose the election. ",
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"content": "I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. My point is that for the past 9 elections, with the exception of 2 rare cases, in both parties the eventual nominee had won either NH or IA. ",
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"content": "Fair enough. Still, I think he can win all white and liberal Iowa and new Hampshire, but not clue collars and minorities in the democratic party. ",
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"content": "What is the time frame in which you're referring? Since 1992 the democrats have nominated candidates closer to the center...",
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"content": "1968 - 1992. Honestly, I might have a good point, but I shoehorned it in, so that's a bit awkward. ",
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"content": "If your time frame is 68-92, then I agree with the exception of Carter.",
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"content": "Carter, who won because the president and his vice president were going to prison if they didn't resign and get pardoned by the speaker of the house. He was promptly destroyed on his attempted reelection. \n\nI'm just saying we can't go full liberal and hope for the best. To be fair, I'm a moderate Democrat and longtime Clinton fan so...that's easy for me to say. ",
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"content": "As a moderate democrat, I completely agree. Was just curious about your statement. Nothing else.",
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"content": "If Nate is right then Clinton will best Bernie in the primaries after IA/NH. So this is kind of pointless I think a) it's still early. People outside liberal bastions of the coasts and early primary states don't know him. aside from the obvious, why is that? because B) If the press would give him the same coverage that any of the top cadidates polling under 10% get he will have an opportunity to try his name and message out there c) once people hear him and see how their beliefs and his lineup many people realize he is someone they would and should vote for. ",
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"content": "It brings me back. I supported Dennis Kucinich for president in 2004. I was young enough to think he had a chance. For Sanders to even be said capable of winning a primary that Clinton is trying to win means at the very least his liberal views will shape the race.",
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"content": "I believe Bernie sanders could win 2016.",
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"content": "Oh what does Nate Silver know when you got Bernie. Feel the bern, etc.",
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"content": ">It means that people need to work longer hours” and, through their productivity, gain more income for their families.\n\nOh yeah just keep working harder and harder and that sweet, sweet money will finally start trickling down from those job creators.",
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"content": "In the words of the Nazis, \"Work makes you free\"\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei",
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"content": "#####&#009;\n\n######&#009;\n\n####&#009;\n [**Arbeit macht frei**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit%20macht%20frei): [](#sfw) \n\n---\n\n>\n\n>\"__*Arbeit macht frei*__\" (German pronunciation: [ˈaɐ̯baɪt ˈmaxt ˈfʁaɪ]) is a German phrase meaning \"work makes (you) free.\" The slogan was placed over the entrances to a number of [Nazi concentration camps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps) during [World War II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), including [Auschwitz I](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp), where it was made by prisoners with metalwork skills and erected by order of the Nazis in June 1940.\n\n>====\n\n>[**Image**](https://i.imgur.com/VDg5YSo.jpg) [^(i)](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Entrance_Auschwitz_I.jpg) - *At Auschwitz I 50°01′39″N 19°12′11″E / 50.027606°N 19.203088°E / 50.027606; 19.203088 \\(Site of Auschwitz I entrance with Arbeit Macht Frei \"Work Makes Free\" Gate\\)*\n\n---\n\n^Relevant: [^Arbeit ^macht ^frei ^\\(album)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei_\\(album\\)) ^| [^L'Abbattimento ^dello ^Zeppelin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Abbattimento_dello_Zeppelin) ^| [^Caution ^Radiation ^Area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caution_Radiation_Area) ^| [^Auschwitz-Birkenau ^State ^Museum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz-Birkenau_State_Museum) \n\n^Parent ^commenter ^can [^toggle ^NSFW](/message/compose?to=autowikibot&subject=AutoWikibot NSFW toggle&message=%2Btoggle-nsfw+csxbe1h) ^or[](#or) [^delete](/message/compose?to=autowikibot&subject=AutoWikibot Deletion&message=%2Bdelete+csxbe1h)^. ^Will ^also ^delete ^on ^comment ^score ^of ^-1 ^or ^less. ^| [^(FAQs)](/r/autowikibot/wiki/index) ^| [^Mods](/r/autowikibot/comments/1x013o/for_moderators_switches_commands_and_css/) ^| [^Call ^Me](/r/autowikibot/comments/1ux484/ask_wikibot/)",
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"content": "Staying longer hours isn't bad. What's bad is having 25 employees work 4 hour shifts 5 days a week and have 24/7 availability. Shits always taken out of context... ",
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"content": "I agree with you, I was just being facetious. :) ",
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"content": "Someday when he grows up and gets a real job, he'll understand how offensive he's being. ",
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"content": "http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/09/jeb-bush-paid-too-much-in-taxes-so-did-the-rest-of-us/\n\n33 years of paying taxes would suggest he has held a real job\n\nedit: also as a part-time worker, I'd love to work more\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "What work has he done? What has he labored to achieve? What has anyone in his family labored to achieve since HW? Jeb is a leech, and I doubt he's ever put much effort into anything in his gilded cage of a life.",
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"content": "Bush has been a sort of odd-ball in his family, breaking from the norms. He didn't go ivy-league. He did his own thing, going to UT-Austin, then eventually going to Mexico to further immerse himself in his studies and meet his wife. He didn't backpack off of his father's political success, only entering politics when his father asked him to help on his presidential campaign. \n\nAfter graduating from college, he took an entry level job at a bank in Texas, where he moved himself up the ladder, eventually working in higher-up positions in large hispanic market areas. After that he went into real estate development and became one of the premier developers in Florida. \n\nIt was only until after his self-made successes that he even got his foot in the door in the political world. Even then he spent nearly the next ten years continuing in entrepreneurial efforts successfully, at that. He then was governor of one of the largest states in the country, which definitely is a job which requires more acumen and effort than any job I, or my parents, or my friends' parents have worked - and they have some crazy responsibilities. Since his governorship he has continued in his entrepreneurial efforts. As a matter of fact, his income from capital gains is so minimal compared to others in either major party's field, save Bernie Sanders. Bush and Sanders are relatively unique in this sense.\n\nJust because he comes from money does not mean his life is shielded from the complications of the real world. If he is a son of HW, the former is surely true. ",
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"content": "Easy to say when you have about 10 million USD net worth :|",
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"content": "Jeb is pandering directly to his donors here. [The rich are jerks](http://www.vox.com/2015/6/16/8790357/rich-people-jerks) and they get off on hearing about how everyone poorer than them is lazy and how much their belts need tightening. \n\nHis personal beliefs aren't being aired here so much as the emotional motivations of his wealthy backers. ",
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"content": "Mainly, this proves to me that he's just as horrible a speaker as his brother. And just as horrible of a candidate. Anyone who votes for any of repubs announced so far deserves exactly what they get. ",
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"content": "Maybe people should just stop jerking off on reddit while at work and put down their phones. \n\nHe has the right idea, but not the correct strategy. \n\nhttp://www.vox.com/2015/7/9/8916419/productivity-growth-falling",
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"content": "I was sort of noticing this myself. They're griping over it, but there are no actual legitimate complaints. They're not saying \"how dare we make this deal\" they're saying \"how dare we make a deal.\"\n\nThis deal is actually fantastic. America got pretty much everything they wanted. IAEA inspectors will have almost unlimited access to Iranian facilities. That alone makes this a complete success. And what concessions did the US give? They're going to *stop* the sanctions. That's not even a concession.",
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"content": "Indeed. Fantastic article and a fantastic deal.\n\nr/conservative must be rolling in it's grave.",
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"content": "Yeah since our other deal was so wonderful, I'm sure this one is even better. You know since they had a secret facility and was already enriching more uranium than previously agreed on. I'm sure IRAn has had a change of heart and will follow this deal. Hahah yeah right. Get a clue. ",
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"content": "So what could they have done better?",
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"content": "No deal is better than this shit. How about the fact that Iran is not our friend and has American blood on their hands. We should put full force economic sanctions and cripple their economy. Force inspections at our will. If they refuse to stop enriching and reject our inspections... Then we shut the shit down for them.. instead we are giving a terror sponsor money and giving them phony ass sanctions. Wtf is successful about that? You liberals are incapable of recognizing evil and hatred of America. We are in bed with terrorists now. Did Iran follow previous sanctions? ... Hell No they didn't. So why would they follow these phony ass sanctions. ",
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"content": "So yea, pretty much exactly like I said, you're just angry that they have a deal to begin with. You can't say what's wrong with it, you can't say how you'd fix the problem, you just know that the other guys did it, therefore you don't like it.",
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"content": "Are u special? The deal is not a good deal. We are giving them money and sanctions that they will not follow. The sanctions in the deal are phony and will not stop a damn thing. So why is this a success? Let's break it down in another logical scenario that maybe you can comprehend. Let's say I have ties to violent people and I verbally threaten to kill you and your family. However I do not currently have any way of obtaining a weapon unless you allow me to. So we negotiate while I still make threats and after negotiations you give me a lot of money and do nothing to stop me from obtaining a weapon to kill you and your family. Then you go around acting like it was a great success for negotiating with me. Meanwhile I'm getting my weapon and still promoting terror and violence. This deal is a fucking joke. What happend to We do not negotiate with terrorists? .. Obama happend.. Do you personally feel like Iran will stop trying to enrich Uranium to weapons grade? They have already went further than previous sanctions and hid secret facilities from us. Please explain what has changed and what this deal is going to achieve? I can tell you what it will acheive, a nuclear Iran and WW3. We will have terrorists with nukes.. great deal.. haha",
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"content": "So you're saying the only reason they didn't have a nuclear weapon before was that they had no money, and now the US is giving them enough money to get a weapon?",
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"content": "Iran is striving for weapons grade uranium. We lifted economic sanctions on them, which made it easier. With this new deal we are now giving them money. So we are basically doing everything to not stop them. We may as well send a few of our scientists. We are dealing with terrorist Wtf do u not understand. Any deal with the devil is a bad deal. We are making it easier on Iran.",
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"content": ">We lifted economic sanctions on them, which made it easier.\n\nHow did this make it easier?\n\n>With this new deal we are now giving them money.\n\nImplying the only thing holding them back before was lack of money?",
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"content": "I'm not implying anything you are. Please give me a good reason for giving a terror funding state money.. I'm waiting. When a country is crippled economically it is harder to develop weapons. You are dense. How would it not be easier to develop weapons grade uranium now, considering we will be giving them plenty of money to do it? Do you have a clue about anything? Has Iran followed previous sanctions? Are we now handing them money? Does nuclear r&d cost money? Can you connect the the dots on how we are making it easier for them to obtain weapons? Are you capable of logically thinking? Are you saying that Iran is an American friendly country that has our best interests in mind? Are you dense? Crippling their economy and not handing them money would definetely make it tougher for them to develop weapons grade uranium. ",
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"content": ">.. I'm waiting\n\nYou're the one making the argument. You're saying how this deal is worse than not having a deal, yet you won't say why. \"Giving them money is bad, think about it\" ... no, tell me. If you can't figure out why it's bad, maybe it's not bad.\n\n\n>I'm not implying anything you are.\n\n....\n\n> Does nuclear r&d cost money? Can you connect the the dots on how we are making it easier for them to obtain weapons?\n\nIt *still* sounds like you're saying they hadn't had weapons before because of lack of money, but you still deny that's what you're saying.\n\nIf you're not implying they weren't building weapons before because of lack of money and now they will be, then what are you saying?\n\nYour inability to put why you don't like this deal into words leads me to believe you don't have a real reason, other than the Obama administration orchestrated it.",
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"content": "The reason I don't like the deal is because we are pumping money into a terrorist funding state. The reason they dont have weapons is due to econmic sanctions and lack of money/technology to create the weapon. Why do you like the deal so much? We are now funding their research along with removing economy crippling sanctions. The deal does nothing more than accelerate Iran's nuclear R&D. The sanctions will not stop them and the money will accelerate Iran's efforts. Previous nuclear sanctions where completely ignored. How is this not a valid reason to hate the deal?? Why do you think the deal is great? Lets say you and I made a deal 5 yrs ago and you did not adhere to the terms agreed upon. Now we sit down, knowing you have broken the previous deal, an I offer to give you money and agree on everything you demand. How dumb am I? About as dumb as the Obama administration. I would love to do business with you, I could fuck you over sit down and talk and fuck you over again. Giving money to a country that hates you and funds terrorism is dumb. That is the reason I hate the deal. Why do you like it?",
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"content": "The sanctions are phony! We have sealed the deal for WW3. The world is a much more dangerous place. Iran was chanting death to America during negotiations. Iran is a terror sponser and offered 1000$ for every dead American to the Taliban. This deal is repulsive and idiotic. Iran is a terror funding country.",
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"content": "See what I mean, no specific legitimate complaint about it... just angry that there's a deal in place. You don't know what they could have done better, it just eats you up that \"the other guys\" did something successful.",
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"content": "The Iran deal will open Iranian oil fields to Western markets, which is bad news for oil speculators like the Koch brothers and some of the big oil donors to the GOP. So the GOP is now dancing to their big campaign donors' melody of outrage.",
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"content": "I would be happy about that except low oil prices have made the push for green energy slow a bit because of price parity, where now oil is a way better deal at $60 a barrel and alternative energy options are less economically beneficial.",
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"content": "Agreed, but low oil prices have lessened the demand for fracking, which is environmentally awful.",
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"content": "Besides not having an actual legitimate gripe with the deal (other than the deal not forcing Iran to surrender their national sovereignty to us and doing everything we might want them to do), they have no actual alternative policy that would satisfy their \"gripes\" that most people would readily accept (i.e. war). Also, making the reasonable assumption that this deal will accomplish what it's supposed to, they know that President Obama just made another achievement over their obstructionism/naysaying, which I'm sure just burns them. ",
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"content": "> they have no actual alternative policy \n\nGood point. The same is true for the ACA. They hate it, insist it must be replaced with something better, say endlessly they're working on something better, and then they do nothing for years. This has gone on ever since the ACA came into being.",
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"content": "Yup. Exactly. They hate govt so much they don't spend any time trying to come up with stuff. They just try to tear everything down. ",
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"content": "The U.S. do not need any reasons to bomb foreign countries. It's just what they do, with or without the U.N., with or without any reason at all. That's why everybody hates their guts. Not the guts of the American people, that is. Only Obama's, Bush's, Eisenhower's and ESPECIALLY Monroe's. Sneaky little fuckers. \nEDIT: lest I forget Reagan: FUCK REAGAN. 2nd EDIT: FUCK TRUMAN, too.",
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"content": "Very eloquently put! LoL ",
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"content": "Found the conspiracy nut. ",
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"content": "If so, it was a brilliant move.",
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"content": "How does he explain that Trump is first place in the REPUBLICAN polls?",
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"content": "I honestly think it's a possibility Trump is deliberately sabotaging the GOP primary. I don't think the DNC is behind it, but he may be doing it as a lone wolf.",
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"content": "A sabotaging lone wolf? Why would he do this? Power & ego?",
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"content": "Ego, spite, secret Hillary supporter, who knows",
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"content": "He has found a constituency in the base of the Republican party one they try to ....keep under wraps. A constituency that is nativist (ironic since they are all descended from immigrants) and face it, some pure racist.\n\nTrumps reasons are always the same...Trump.",
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"content": ">(ironic since they are all descended from immigrants)\n\nThe problem it's not with immigrants. The problem is with ILLEGAL immigrants. My ancestry came through Staten Island and became legal citizens the proper way. \n\nIn your closed mindedness you overlook this simple fact that the argument is about those immigrants who are here ILLEGALLY. It is a federal crime. **Citizens** go to prison for committing federal crimes...",
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"content": "Unless they are bankers, then they get bonuses.",
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"content": "How would he be sabotaging it? He's just publicly stating what a huge majority of the party actually believes.",
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"content": "Either showing how insane the GOP is through his massive support, causing moderates and independents to be unwilling to vote GOP, or winning and thus ensuring those moderates and independents won't vote GOP",
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"content": "Yeah but if he is the frontrunner according to republican polls, I wouldn't say it's sabotage as much as the current GOP actually IS insane.",
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"content": "I think this claim is absolutely absurd. ",
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"content": "Oh shit guys, he's on to us!",
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"content": "Yall are getting tiresome.",
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"content": "Sorry not all democrats buy the latest rhetoric of a renowned bullshitter hook, line and sinker.\n\nCan you hear that? It's the world's tiniest violin playing, \"My Heart Bleeds for You.\"",
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"content": "I love your swagger, as if Bernie Sanders will win and you are going to show us the way Caesar showed Pompeii. We will win the nomination, and we will win the presidency WITHOUT you. You are not needed. Please go to Bolivia.",
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"content": "Hillary certainly could wind up needing liberals in the general. Have you not seen the polls showing a 4-point lead over Jeb in a heads up race?\n\nIf she wins the primary, young people, liberals and progressives will sit out next November in large numbers.",
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"content": "Wow a 4 point lead more than a year from the election, as Republicans continue to hang themselves. Are you Nate Silver?",
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"content": "And you folks won't shut up about how Sanders has no chance because of early polls even though he's consistently gaining ground in early primary states and national polls. What a hypocrite!",
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"content": "What is the definition of hypocrite my friend? Perhaps you meant to call me tone deaf to the Sanders zeitgeist, but I said nothing hypocritical. Do you want me to write your rebuttals to me?",
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"content": "So you're the one Hillary supporter on reddit who doesn't flatly dismiss Sanders due to early polling numbers, or was I in fact, right to call you a hypocrite?",
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"content": "He's a good person. But do you realize how many supreme court appointees the next president is going to nominate? Roe v. Wade is 1 vote away from being overturned. Just like I drive slow to be cautious, I am dumbing myself down and voting for hillary. We need 20 years for another Bernie.",
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"content": "First off, that's not really an answer to my question; you may have gone too far with the dumbing down procedure (hitting yourself in the cranium with a hammer?). \n\nAlso, why do you think Sanders would appoint worse SCOTUS justices than Hillary?",
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"content": "Mmm, that's Bernie supporters treat you when you tell them your feelings. Bernie would appoint better justices. But he will never win, at least not where I live in Colorado, not florida, not ohio. This Isn't A game, it is a war for theocracy vs secularism, and you are not supporting the strongest warrior, which is of course your right.",
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"content": "But you're not basing your notion that Sanders would be worse in the general election on any evidence!",
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"content": "I didn't say general election. I said Colorado. Ohio. Florida. Those are states, my dear. I look at the Sanders electability issue on the state level, because the Electoral College is still a thing. Maybe he'd win a popular vote, but we all know we have a fucked up system in the meantime.",
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"content": "So you're saying that you won't vote for Sanders in the primary because you think Hillary will win the primary?\n\nYou'll have to explain that *logic* to me.",
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"content": "I said no such thing. I think you're a little out of your league debating with me. I'm assuming you are young, but I have lived through several election cycles. Do whatever you want, but just know that we don't need you or any of your weird Bernie friends.",
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"content": ">I didn't say general election. I said Colorado. Ohio. Florida. Those are states, my dear.\n\nIf you're talking about the 2016 presidential election, and you're not talking about the general, you must necessarily be talking about primaries.\n\n>just know that we don't need you or any of your weird Bernie friends.\n\nI hope the folks running her campaign all think that way too. If she wins the primary and they get no support from piberals, progressives and young people, I'll love seeing the baffled looks on their faces when the GOP win 2016.",
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"content": "See this is why I doubt *your* intelligence. Do you know what the electoral college is? The general presidential election in the the United States is governed by the electoral college, which breaks it down into states. Therefore, necessarily, when discussing the general election, one has to speak at the state level.\n\nYour downvoting of your debate enemy's comments to you are very immature. And I doubt it was anyone else, as no one read this piece of shit article.\n",
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"content": "You literally said you weren't talking about the general election.\n\nDo you now admit you misspoke? Or would you prefer to keep blathering on about the electoral college (which is completely irrelevant to the fact that you said you weren't talking about the general election when you clearly were).",
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"content": "I have zero inclination to try to understand what you just wrote, but yes, I am a Buddhist and I admit my faults, so whatever faults you ascribe to me, feel free.",
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"content": ">I have zero inclination to try to understand what you just wrote\n\nA more perfect description of a typical Hillary supporter, I couldn't have come up with myself.",
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"content": "By the way, why is the article \"a piece of shit?\"\n\nBecause you disagree with it?",
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"content": "So much respect, great approach",
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"content": "So true. ",
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"content": "Fox News, where everything's made up and the points they make don't matter.",
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"content": "I suspect, if you consider Fox News to be legitimate, that you were not associated with the Democratic Party in the first place.\n\nFurthermore, your history of misogynistic and homophobic posts suggests that you're here primarily to troll.",
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"content": "Yes, yes, Mr. RedPill \"Gay Marriage is totally different from straight marriage.\" Your views are hard right and far more accepted by the troglodytes in the GOP than by the leftists (one of your favorite words, it would seem) in the democratic party.",
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"content": "You sound just like a Fox News pundit. Your words betray you.\n\nEdit: and what does it matter if he's gay-- unless you're making some sort of accusation... Like it's something to be ashamed of, which it's not.",
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"content": "You imply emotion where none exists, a gaslight attempt to gain a high ground through logic fallacy. Nice try, but it's both transparent and juvenile-- not to mention dead wrong. And the tone you use to ask if he is gay, combined with the completely inappropriate placement in the conversation is completely slanderous and accusatory, just as a bully would say it. Your reaction to me calling you out on it just proves that, how you further accuse anyone who disagrees with you of weakness in the same manner. Transparent, juvenile, and utterly revealing of the weakness of your own argument. Can't defend your own points? Just degrade and attempt to humiliate and harass your targets to distract from your own complete lack of substance.\n\nJust like a Fox News pundit. Watching all that Fox Mews has trained you well to repeat their flawed tactics. And you're just as full of crap as they are.",
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"content": "Phobic when used with prefixes such as xeno or homo also indicate hatred, not fear. We aren't talking about spiders here. If you're going to debate, try to avoid splitting hairs.\n\n",
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"content": "Your posting history and attitudes contained therein make it glaringly clear than you aren't associated with the Democratic Party and likely never were. You're just here to troll and seem morally superior for the sake of getting into and argument. Just like Fox News pundits do.",
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"content": "This belongs in /r/iamverysmart\n\nIt was most amusing to read\n\nEdit: by the way, if you want to defend yourself against someone calling you out like I did, it's best not to go and full-on do more of what I just called you out on.\n\nYou've only proven my point.",
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"content": "Some idiots don't deserve a response. ",
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"content": "That is pretty heavy handed considering his poll figures. Clearly he is resonating with lots of people, and I think he deserves to be covered accordingly. \n\nWe get the government we deserve.",
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"content": "I agree if he gets the numbers...he is a candidate. Big red nose and floppy shoes aside. \n\nOh and by the way doing this it is helping the RNC with their biggest problem.",
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"content": "Trump is filling the spot Cain did in the last election. He's put there to keep real scrutiny and questions deflected from the real, corporate endorsed, candidate until the final run is underway. It's all deflection and misdirection to give the public as little time as possible to see exactly how horrible Bush is.",
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"content": "I think we should honor that here and no longer post Trump in /r/Democrats.",
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"content": "That is ridiculous. As much as I think the man is a horrible candidate he is leading the GOP field by some polls, and therefore by all means should be included in the political coverage. By doing otherwise HuffPo is neglecting their duty to inform and bring news to their readers.",
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"content": "Their only duty is to generate clicks and keep AOL happy.",
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"content": "Wait - the Huffington Post has something other than an entertainment section? I didn't know that. ",
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"content": "Am I alone in saying good for them? His run is comical. I understand that he has a following, but what does that say about a presidential run? Anyone can run if they fit the criteria and, anymore, have the money. Out casting him to the entertainment section is pretty extreme given his numbers, but he is essentially a tabloid whore. Just because he's a businessman does not make him a spokesman for America (unless you are talking about women in ballgowns vying for a crown). I'd take Guy Fieri more seriously.",
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"content": "So no one out side of the political elite can run for office? You can't not cover anybody no mater how insane they look and act if they have the kind of support Trump has.\n\nI think he is a joke but there are millions of people who don't. and I don't want news people making that choice. How would it be if Fox said they weren't going to cover Bernie Sanders because they think he is a joke?.",
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"content": "Not at all. This guy is a capital D Douche and everyone knows it. There are plenty of other people running for the 2016 bid that are seldom I'm the news:\n\n http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm\n\nI understand where you are coming from, but it's apparent that I disagree. If Fox news chose not to cover Sanders, who cares? Use another news source. Better yet, don't depend on mainstream media to keep you up to date. It's no secret they cherry pick their stories and tell them from the interests of their greater good. HuffPo is barely a news source. I read it the same way I do the Enquirer. I turn my brain off, relax, read an article and then shake my head. The only thing they are missing is a giant crossword puzzle.",
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"content": "> There are plenty of other people running for the 2016 bid that are seldom In the news:\n\nBecause they don't get into the polls. There are 100's of people running in almost as many parties. \n\nhttp://www.fec.gov/press/resources/2016presidential_form2nm.shtml\n\n\nIf Trump gets the numbers he is a candidate and deserves to be treated as one.\n\nI think he is a self aggrandizing clown but I or HuufPost doesn't get to make that call. I think I like HP more than you do, but in this case they are just wrong. \n\nWhat next, only cover Santorm and Huckabee in the Religious section?\n\nI know we are in r/democrats but from your comments I wonder if you are a Democrat. The only people who are trying to get Trump out of this race are Republicans and comparing HP to the Enquirer makes me wonder.",
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"content": "You're right, I'm not a democrat. I'm also not a republican. I do read HuffPo daily (what's up with their front page lately?) and know they skew their articles to the left. I also understand that Fox skews to the right. \n\nTrump is an egotistical showboat looking for his next fifteen minutes. The fact that people consider him to be a contender shows the world what a literal joke our political system is. HuffPo is doing a disservice by even writing articles about his candidacy. They should stick to Trump topics such as reality tv, super awesome hair, shitty business tactics, and Renee Zellweger sour face.\n\nSide note - why isn't he using his catch phrase You're Fired during his stumping? He's really missing out on some good slogans.",
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"content": "I'm not 100% sure who I'll vote for in the primaries but I'll definitely support her in the general if she is the nominee. \n\nWhy? Because really she's pretty good. Not as liberal as I'd like but neither was Obama. \n\n* She is for sure qualified to be president and she can beat the GOP Nominee. Bernie would have almost zero chance in the general unless the GOP nominates a complete whack job like Trump (Which they won't)\n\n* She'll appoint liberal justices to the Court and protect Roe and not give us more crazies like Scalia. \n\n* She has been good on social issues, gender equality, LBGT issues \nShe will protect programs that the GOP would gut if they had the chance (social security, medicare, medicaid, Obamacare, & social safety net programs)\n\n* As FLOTUS and then Secretary of State she has good foreign relations and diplomatic experience\n\nThese are just a few reasons and like I said I'm not even her biggest fan but she'd be a fine president. Why wouldn't you support her? (Especially if she is the nominee)",
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"content": "I don't want to go back on my word that I wasn't here to start a fight, but you did ask why I don't support her so I will respond in line.\n\n> but I'll definitely support her in the general if she is the nominee.\n\nI think that is true for most democrats though.\n\n>she is for sure qualified to be president and she can beat the GOP Nominee. Bernie would have almost zero chance in the general unless the GOP nominates a complete whack job like Trump (Which they won't)\n\nBy putting this first is it fair to assume that this is the main reason you personally support her? Because Bernie doesn't appear to be electable?\n\n>She'll appoint liberal justices to the Court and protect Roe and not give us more crazies like Scalia.\n\nTrue, but so would Sanders and O'Malley\n\n>She has been good on social issues, gender equality, LBGT issues \n\nMeh, I really can't get over her support of the defense of marriage act. Her recent acceptance just reeks of political pandering. I don't buy it. Even if she is sincere in her recent conversion, it is unacceptable that it took so long.\n\n>She will protect programs that the GOP would gut if they had the chance (social security, medicare, medicaid, Obamacare, & social safety net programs)\n\nAgain, that is what O'Malley and Sanders would do (at *least*)\n\n>As FLOTUS and then Secretary of State she has good foreign relations and diplomatic experience\n\nYes, she has experience, but she is way too pro-military action in my opinion.\n\n> Why wouldn't you support her? (Especially if she is the nominee)\n\nWell, like you being unsure about the primaries, I'm not sure what I will do if she gets the nomination. I'm not delusional, I know it is the most likely outcome but I am going to do everything I can to help the candidate I believe in until I face that decision.\n\nBut here is a list of why I sure as hell don't support her now:\n\n-She voted for the Patriot Act\n\n-She will not end NSA spying\n\n-She is no champion of free speech, co-sponsoring a bill to criminalize flag burning\n\n-She was in favor of going to war in Afghanistan \n\n-She was in favor of going to war in Iraq\n\n-Some really evil organizations are her biggest donors\n\n-She supports 3-strikes\n\n-She supports the death penalty\n\n-Hell, she even said torture (\"interrogations that depart from standard international practices\") were ok in some extreme circumstances\n\n-Her work with Santorum on getting the \"Workplace Religious Freedom Act\" allowing pharmacists and nurses to refuse dispensing the abortion pill if it was against their religious beliefs\n\n-Her utter silence on the TPP issue\n\n-The email thing is just plain shady AND irresponsible\n\n-I don't trust her and she doesn't seem genuine\n\n-Her amazingly skillful way of evading any and all direct questions \n\n-I don't believe she will do anything to rock the boat and we are in desperate need of someone to take charge and point us in a new direction. I think *at best* with a Clinton presidency we can hope that everything stays exactly the same as it is today, and that isn't good enough.\n\n\nSure, she is an EXCELLENT politician, but to me, that just means she is really good at playing a really slimy game. \n\nEDIT: I keep coming back to this comment as I remember more",
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"content": "Yeah man no fighting here. \n\nYou're right it does basically come down to elect-ability. I love Bernie Sanders - he is much closer to me liberal wise. And it is likely that I would vote for him if he is still on the ballot by the time the primary in my state rolls around. \n\nHRC and I may not agree on every issue but we do agree on the vast majority of them. I would for sure rather her than any Republican and I do think she is our best chance to hold the White House. \n\n",
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"content": "Here's what kills me about the electability argument: the thing that makes someone electable is electing them. If you like a candidate, vote for them! When enough people do this, the likable candidate gets elected! Then they are, therefore, electable! \n\nI used to do this whole \"electable\" thing as a criteria too. And then it occurred to me that the party wasn't getting the message on what issues I genuinely supported because I was voting for this ephemeral \"electability\", instead of voting my conscience. I decided midway through the president's term that I would no longer accept \"electable\" as a valid criteria for choosing a primary candidate. I want single-payer. I want labor to be strengthened, not busted. I want social programs to be enhanced and enriched. I want corporations to be more responsible to their communities and their workers, by regulation if necessary. I want political campaigns to be funded more reasonably. So in the primary, I'm going to vote for the person who is closest to my view on these issues, and by electing them they will become electable. \n\nIt's not enough for me anymore that the democratic nominee is simply \"not republican\". He or she needs to really be what I'm looking for in a candidate. And my primary vote is how I do that. \n\nThe general is an entirely different set of criteria, but that's my take on primaries. ",
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"content": "That's just not how it works. Eevry fringe candidate supporter trots that out. The problem is that Sanders didn't end up on the fringe by accident. Outside of Reddit, he is FAR more liberal than the country as a whole. That's why he's unelectable.",
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"content": "Can you explain why you believe Bernie would have no chance in the general election?\n\nHonestly, whatever Dem goes will win, if I read correctly the Dems are in a very good strategic position for 2016.",
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"content": "Well first, a couple of disclaimers: This is just my opinion so take what I say with a grain of salt. However, I am a political organizer by trade so I have seen and been a part of multiple campaigns. \n\nThe Dems aren't really in that great a position for 2016. Yes it is true that demographically it is going to become increasingly hard for the GOP to win national elections. But keep in mind that for the immediate future, the cards are still stacked in their favor. \n\nFirst, it is rare to have another administration of the same party after an 8 year term. The last time that happened was Reagan then Bush and Bush only got one term. \n\nSecond, The GOP has noticed their demographic problem and in response made it much harder for Democratic voters to actually vote by passing ID laws, reducing voting hours, making democratic districts have 6 hour lines to vote etc.\n\nAnother reason Sanders will have a tough time in the general is that he is really really liberal. Don't get me wrong, I love that about him but the electorate is much further right writ large. \n\nHe is so liberal that he has run and won his senate races as an Independent not a Democrat. That is telling. \n\nIt reminds me of something my mother used to say: She'd say \"I was positive George McGovern was going to win in '72 because everybody I knew was going to vote for him. It turns out that I knew everybody who did.\" (McGovern lost 49 states in '72) So I guess what I'm saying is that Bernie is very popular with young whites and the liberal reddit crowd. But across the whole country he is not as popular. \n\nBut probably his biggest obstacle to winning the general is money. I love that Bernie doesn't take money from the billionaires because that is his platform. In fact, his positions are firmly against the millionaires and billionaires with the raising of their taxes and redistributing their wealth and whatnot. (Again I feel the need to point out that I am all for that) \n\nBut, he isn't a pragmatist when it comes to money. By that I mean that you have to play the game with the current rules if you want to win. In post Citizens United America, billionaires can contribute unlimited money to the candidate of their choice. \n\nYou better believe that the GOP nominee will have hundreds of millions of dark money dollars (possibly even a BILLION) flooding into their campaign ON TOP of their legit donations and the 500ish MIL from the RNC. Bernie will either go back on his principles and take the money or be MASSIVELY outspent. \n\nWhile it sucks and its bullshit, the higher funded candidate wins the election something like 80+% of the time...\n\n\nAgain I want to point out that I like Bernie a lot. he may just be too far to the left for the rest of the country. \n\nI want to push HRC and the Democrats to the left but I don't want to fall into the trap that the GOP has fallen into multiple times: Democrats have won a lot of elections in districts that they had no business winning simply because the GOP nominated someone WAY WAY too far to the right. \n\nSorry for the long winded response but I like to talk politics! ",
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"content": "You summed it up. Every democrat here needs to look at historical election charts from the past 50 years. Democrats got slaughtered. We do not have this on lock, not by a long shot. ",
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"content": "It's her turn.",
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"content": "No one deserves a \"turn\" for the presidency",
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"content": "I know it might be hard to believe, but a sizable majority of Democrats relate more to Hillary Clinton's brand of moderate liberalism than Bernie Sanders' far-leftism. Recent polls show that Bernie Sanders doesn't have much support outside of college-age white people. ",
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"content": "I'm pushing 40, but regardless how does this answer my question?",
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"content": "He's saying he supports her because she has a better chance of winning",
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"content": "I see Hillary as the LBJ to Obama's JFK. I think that she will be able to make deals with the Senate at least (which imho has been Obama's greatest weakness) because she has been working with or alongside many of the members since her years as FLOTUS, and through her years as Senator. I also think that with that resume, in addition to her tenure as Secretary of State, she is potentially the most \"qualified\" person to have ever run for President, which might shore up some of the other problems I had with Obama. I see her as very electable in the general and am confident that she will also appoint Supreme Court justices to replace RBG and maybe Scalia or Kennedy, which would tip the court left for years.",
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"content": "Thanks for answering",
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"content": "I support Clinton as the Vice President for her insider knowledge. She makes a safe backup and useful government expert. Hopefully Sanders will reach out to her and she'll let her political smarts rule over her ego.",
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"content": "I fully support Hillary Clinton for President because I believe she is the best qualified candidate out of everyone running from both parties. Equally, her positions most closely align with mine out of the various candidates. My wife and I have both made donations to her campaign, and my is a campaign volunteer.",
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"content": "Thanks for answering, but could you be more specific about which positions she holds that you agree with more than Sanders or O'Malley's? ",
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"content": "BTW a candidate is more than issues. Issues are important but not everything in the face of checks and balances. She's tough, and a skilled politician. She has always been one for policy and getting in the nuances. ",
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"content": "My general theory is that the President has relatively little control over domestic issues. Both hypothetical Presidents are gonna be facing the same congress, most likely. I trust Hilary more on being an effective negotiator with Congress, and as a result, I think Bernie would have more value in the Senate than as President. \n\nAnd in general, I think right now, if we want to move the Democrats to the left, we need to focus on Congress and the State legislatures, rather than pinning all hopes on the President. Sanders is more valuable in the Senate than the Oval Office. ",
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"content": "All very valid and good points, thanks for answering.",
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"content": "> My general theory is that the President has relatively little control over domestic issues.\n\nYes and no. He or she appoints all federal judges, and that can have an impact on domestic issues for decades. Obama is certainly having an impact on domestic issues.\n\n>Both hypothetical Presidents are gonna be facing the same congress, most likely.\n\nNot really. Who the candidate is for each party will affect the down-ticket races, particularly the Senate. That candidate's GOTV also is very important in affecting down-ticket races.",
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"content": "Yeah, the first point, yes, judges are a big part of the legacy, but, well, the president doesn't have any control over what they do after they're on the bench. How many state gay marriage bans were overturned by W. appointees? \n\nI was actually going to address the latter point, but edited it out before posting because I couldn't really back it up besides a general gut feeling. Which is, that Clinton will have a better coattails, partly because the two best Democrats on the trail (Obama and fmr. Pres Clinton) would probably be more enthused about her. (Bill for obvious reasons, and I can't help but think that nominating Sanders will be seen as a rejection of Obama) Plus, Sec. Clinton is more popular among minorities at the moment, and from what I've read, Sanders has a long way to go on engaging those communities. ",
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"content": "In 2006 Obama campaigned for Sanders, just a fyi.",
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"content": "I will start by saying I like a few things more about Bernie than Hillary. I love that he wants to keep religion out of government, and he seems to have a more genuine personality than Hillary. What are some reasons to vote for Hillary over Bernie in a primary?\n\n* If you're fiscally conservative, you'll probably want to vote for Hillary. Personally, I think that free trade is key to curbing protectionism. It will hurt jobs in some sectors, but we'll get jobs back in others, and we'll have cheaper prices because of it. I don't like a $15 minimum wage. I think it leads to more unemployment and hurts people who are willing to work for $13 an hour, but can't find a job because of the legislation. There a quite a few economic issues that I do not support Bernie on.\n\n* Hillary is easily the most experienced candidate you'll find in this race. She was a US senator, secretary of state, and a first lady in several regards (US, state of Arkansas). Bernie has less experience than many Republican candidates.\n\n* Hillary is much more electable. Reddit hates to hear this, but the easiest way to increase the odds of a Republican president is to nominate a 74 year-old self-proclaimed socialist who will be a step behind in fundraising against any candidate.\n\nTo be honest, with Bernie, I think Reddit is doing what it does best: going into a circlejerk, groupthink mentality without giving it much thought or consideration. It's a shame when I see vilification of Hillary on these boards, just because she is not as far left as Bernie. ",
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"content": "Color me shocked.",
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"content": "They probably donate to nearly every candidate. Well, with any realistic shot at winning, to cover all their bases, so to speak.",
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"content": "Not Bernie Sanders...",
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"content": "How do you know? Employer breakouts have not yet been reported for the 2016 presidential race.",
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"content": "look at his funding history. find me someone who has given him money that isnt a union",
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"content": "I've seen his funding. It's not very \"he can win\". \n\nI'd be more likely to (a) vote democrat in the primaries and (b) support him in those primaries, or even (c) campaign for him pre-primary and possibly even (d) take a leave of absence to work for his campaign as a visual specialist if he actually committed to supporting GMOs, GMO companies, and carbon-neutral energy corporations for the run up 2016.",
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"content": "...why? You're going in under the assumption that someone without corporate financial backing can't win because they won't get the exposure or promotion, but when he has the exposure and popularity this far out it's obviously a non-factor in this case.",
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"content": "they contribute to superPACs",
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"content": "I think you are misunderstanding the charts: \"The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.\"\n\nClick [Here](https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/include/contribmethod_pop.php) to see why it looks like the Aerospace workers union is his biggest donor when really it is aerospace workers that donate the most... \n\n",
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"content": "Your likely right. That's why I said nearly.",
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"content": "Yay, Bernie!\n\nHillary? Boo!",
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"content": "This is why it doesn't matter which party you vote for if they're being paid by the same corporate entities. ",
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"content": "Just remember, at one time in 2011, Michelle Bachmann was in the lead for the Republican nomination to go up against Obama in 11/2012, and that was when all the candidates were already out there, the debates were happening, and the primary was in full swing. In other words: You can never overestimate the stupidity of the Republican primary voter, but in the end it is a sure thing that they'll all hold their collective nose and nominate a more respectable person to lose to the Democrat in 11/2016.",
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"content": "Just please don't be Jeb. He's the most respectable. Too respectable.",
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"content": "Please stop freaking me out. I came here to laugh at Trump and be reassured of a Dem win.",
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"content": "I don't think the republicans have any shot in 2016 no matter who the candidate is. ",
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"content": "Doesn't mean they won't get the WH. 2000 and 2004 had nothing to do w/actual votes.\n\nAlso, and arguably more importantly, we need back majorities in the House and Senate. Then we can really fuck some shit up.",
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"content": "Really? You're delusional. I love Hillary, Bernie, and all the Democratic candidates honestly, but Jeb and Rubio are very strong and formidable candidates. This is NOT a shoe-in. At all.",
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"content": "Trump lead in April 2011 too. He wasn't even a candidate. ",
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"content": "LOLzzzzzzzzz",
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"content": "Win the primary Trump! We dems are counting on you!",
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"content": "Agree, we should stop bashing him and start supporting him in /r/republicans. Then it won't matter who wins Dem nomination. Every Dem should switch parties and vote for him or at least a good number should. Support your Dem candidate with money, but if you know which Dem is going to win in your state, then vote Republican for Trump!",
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"content": "@beckett360\nWow, what dumbass public school did you graduate from!?",
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"content": "I like the pics we use to have, maybe that, cut down to currently active major candidates, including major governors and senate races.\n\nMaybe the FOX rule, those polling above 10%?",
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"content": "Carmac, where did you even see that submission of mine? I never could find it, even in *NEW*. I made it as a sticky. It was suppose to go at the top of /r/democrats. ",
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"content": "Still visible to me:\n\nhttp://www.awesomescreenshot.com/image/426009/dc923f726b33044d86b62e2398100f4b\n\n\nBut - 'Contest Mode'?\n\nhttp://www.awesomescreenshot.com/image/426016/51457052a2e3ed57e6581d35a186d37e\n",
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"content": "I haven't made a sticky in over a year, so I followed these directions:\n\n\n>*After making the post, just below where it says \"no comments (yet)\" in big bold print, there's the gray text line \"sorted by: hot\". After that it says \"enable contest mode, and sticky this post. Try that.*",
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"content": "Wondering if 'sticky' is broke? I just tried to sticky it - all of the right jiggles occurred ('Do you really want to ...') but no apparent effect, Subreddit Style on or off. \n\nNo clue if site wide or just here. You might make a dummy post in Libs or backroom and see if you get the same result. \n\nIf yes then site wide, if no someone broke CSS here.\n\nAnd what are you doing up so early?\n\n\n ",
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"content": "And now it appears 'stuck'. Whad you do?\n",
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"content": "I tried it in /r/demobackroom. It showed up as the top post. Would you mind trying it out & seeing what happens? \n\n>*And what are you doing up so early?*\n\nDecided to get a head start??? A lot of good it's doing me. How about you? By the way, have you heard from Sarah?",
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"content": "Re Sarah - No obvious activity in 2 weeks - vacation? \n\nDon't see her dropping out w/o notice. Worrisome.\n\n",
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"content": "My last PM from Sarah was 17 days ago & she was suffering from an inner ear infection, but was making light of it. I wasn't alarmed when she didn't show up to mod /environment after the 4th, thinking that maybe she was stretching out the holiday, although it was very unlike her not to let me know. She's *so* conscientious about her moderating duties.\n\nI PMed a few people asking if they'd heard from her & they hadn't, so I made a modmail in /r/thetruthaboutgums, since she's real close to Praise, ERR, & the /r/gunsrcool group, but no one had heard from her, yet no one seemed that concerned... so I thought that maybe they knew something that I didn't, plus, I very much wanted to respect her privacy. After she was gone for 8 days, I called a meeting of sorts through the modmail. This time, people were a bit more concerned & several tried to contact her through various channels with no luck. \n\nAt this point, I'm thinking that I should contact the admin. What do you think? I'm past the point of being 'concerned'. Something seems very wrong to me.",
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"content": "What we need is an Emergency Contact sheet. We made one of those in the old /r/reportthespammers when one of ours went missing. \n\nSince her email is shown as verified the admins could at least try to contact her. I agree on asking them, don't know they'll answer though.\n",
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"content": "Okay. I'm going to contact the admin. now. At this point, there's really nothing else left to do.",
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"content": "BTW - I made 2 stickies in backroom, one text and one link. If you see them I'll kill them.\n",
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"content": "I can see both. (Shooting guns at a wedding???) The css is broken in /r/democrats.\n\nJust sent PM to admin. about Sarah's long silence.",
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"content": "OMG someone didn't pay the taxes that never happens to you or me!",
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"content": "Is your net worth over $2mil? \"We\" have an excuse and that is, more often than not for most people, that money is tight. What excuse does a millionaire have?",
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"content": "Net worth isn't a good indicator of available cash assets. You could own a 2 million dollar stake in a company and have no money.",
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"content": "How does a local property tax relate to the IRS again?",
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"content": "They are both part of tax policy. One federal, one state or local. ",
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"content": "Well he does want to fix the tax rate and raise my taxes to 14% from 10... And lower his own from 39 to 14%.",
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"content": ">raise my taxes to 14% from 10\n\nSo, your current gross income is no more than $9,225 (single) or $18,450 (married, filing joint). Assuming $9,225, over 25, and with no dependants, the current numbers are:\n\n Gross income: $9,225\n Standard deduction: $6,300\n Income tax rate: 10%\n Income tax amount: ($9,225 - $6,300) * 10% = $292.50\n Payroll tax rate: 6.2% + 1.45% = 7.65%\n Payroll tax amount: $9,225 * 7.65% = $705.71\n Total tax amount: $292.50 + $705.71 = 998.21\n EITC: $391\n Net income: $9,225 - $998.21 + $391 = $8,617.79\n\nUnder the proposed plan:\n\n Gross income: $9,225\n Standard deduction: $25,000\n Income tax rate: 14.5%\n Income tax amount: ($9,225 - $25,000) * 14.5% = $0 (can't be negative)\n Payroll tax rate: 0%\n Payroll tax amount: $0 * 0% = $0\n Total tax amount: $0 + $0 = $0\n EITC: $0\n Net income: $9,225 - $0 + $0 = $9,225\n\nAre the above numbers correct?\n\n----\n* http://www.irs.com/articles/2015-federal-tax-rates-personal-exemptions-and-standard-deductions\n* http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/tax-planning/earned-income-tax-credit-calculator.aspx",
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"content": "Go ahead and link some stats and show me whos going to pay for that. 1 guy paying taxes that pays for 5000 people to be employees of the government buys many more American made cars than 1 person buying an import. The only thing that needs changing is loopholes closed, and capital gains raised to 35% if you make over a certain %.",
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"content": "I put some work into my comment. It'd be nice if we finished addressing one subject before moving the goal posts.",
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"content": "I make more so it doesn't really apply. I pay my dues without complaining the rich should too. I want to know who's going to pay for it? Jobs will be lost from budget cuts so the rich can harbor more money.",
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"content": "So you're saying you lied to promote a political point? \n\nAre we on the Republican subreddit? ",
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"content": "Lied about what?",
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"content": "I am against college for all and the false hope that we can educate ourselves out of low wages. ",
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"content": "That's like saying I'm against universal health care and the false hope we can treat our way out of low wages. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can fight for higher wages and try to end the student debt crisis. \n\nThat being said I hate this title. While I'm for universal higher education there are many reasons to be against it. Cost is the most obvious one. I disagree but there are people against this for non crazy reasons. ",
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"content": "No. We all need health care. We do not all need a college education. ",
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"content": "Some one has to dig ditches ",
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"content": "Yes, and serve coffee at the drive up and clean the hotel room and work the register at the gas station. None of these occupations require a college education and all of these occupations are vital to those who, today, make six figures and much, much more. ",
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"content": "Until all of those positions are automated. ",
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"content": "Robots don't by products or services.",
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"content": "Thanks captain obvious. ",
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"content": "Public education is a necessity for our country ",
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"content": "Hence our free public K-12 schools",
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"content": "Look at every other first world country, look at Germany. Free post secondary schooling is a service that our country requires to stay ahead. We fall shirt compared to other countries in education, and making our students thousands of dollars in debt doesn't help.",
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"content": "Germany has a large apprentice program. ",
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"content": "Yup. K-12",
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"content": "Just because college is available to all doesn't mean that everyone is capable of completing it. But people should have the option of eventually progressing past minimum wage jobs. Perhaps a system that guides people toward educations that match their abilities (vocational programs, technical degrees, higher education, etc.) would allow capable people to progress. \n\n",
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"content": "> But people should have the option of eventually progressing past minimum wage jobs.\n\nMinimum wage jobs need to be able to sustain a US Citizen. ",
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"content": "True. But looking at a long term picture, being \"sustained\" is just a step above \"surviving.\" Greater access to educational programs would help some people to move beyond sustenance to success. ",
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"content": "> Greater access to educational programs would help some people to move beyond sustenance to success. \n\nYes, some. Looking at the population as a whole, however, leads me to the opinion that using the carrot of a college education as the only option to \"success\" is not working for the majority. ",
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"content": "Yeah. I totally agree with you. Not everyone should go to college. That's why I support vocational programs and apprenticeship opportunities. Imagine this: a minimum wage job could become a comfortable salary, and ambitious minimum wage employees would have access to get training in trade programs that would be even more lucrative, though still less so than professions that require a college degree. \n\nI realize that this is probably a little unrealistic, but I don't think just raising the minimum wage solves anything. Throwing money at the problem never does. Perhaps providing paths to different levels of success in addition to increasing the \"starvation wages\" we see today would help. ",
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"content": ">Throwing money at the problem never does.\n\nAgreed. We've been throwing money to the wealthy class for years now.\n\n> , but I don't think just raising the minimum wage solves anything. \n\nAgreed.\n\nHere is how we ought to look at things:\n\n\nYou apply for a permit to open a business that employs people. With this application, you are given or can provide economic information as to how much is costs for one individual to house, clothe, feed, fund retirement and medical costs. With that information, you are able to show that while working for you, 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, the wages you are paying meet the aforementioned criteria. \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Are you *quoting* a racist or are you just racist?",
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"content": "Poverty stricken areas have a high crime rate, yes. If you're claiming even a prosperous community of black families enjoy jumping white people for invading their residential area, no you're wrong. ",
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"content": "I don't live in a bad city and both times I've been held up at knife point black people with hoodies. It's not racist.. But you tend to cross the sidewalk at night when walking alone in the dark and 10 black guys with hoodies are walking toward you.",
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"content": "So you're a racist, got it.",
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"content": "I'm white, my kids are not full white.\nYou decide.",
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"content": "And Hitler had Jewish ancestry, so what?",
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"content": "Yet he didn't have kids with anyone Jewish, now did he.",
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"content": "At any rate, your comments are racist. If you had posted a comment claiming 1+1 is 7 and when called out you were to respond by saying that your children are mathematicians, it wouldn't change anything.",
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"content": "Hows it racist.. It's the truth. Either way I said her context seemed bad, making it seem like she was racist, but wasn't here intentions...",
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"content": "It is not the truth, it is your perception. Your perception is racist, and so are you. ",
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"content": ">Hows it racist.. It's the truth\n\nsaid every racist ever",
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"content": "That's in dispute. The idea is that since Hitler's father was a bastard it must be that his grandfather was the head of the Jewish household his grandmother worked for.",
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"content": "I tend to cross the sidewalk at night when walking alone in the dark when 10 guys of any race with or without hoodies are walking toward me. ",
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"content": "you are lying",
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"content": "People of any color in poverty stricken areas with high crime jump people of any color.",
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"content": "yooooo go fuck yourself ",
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"content": "Wow, she said something real for once. George Carlin or Bill Burr might be a little upset that she cribbed from one of their punchlines though.",
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"content": "https://youtu.be/u52Oz-54VYw",
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"content": "She's telling the truth and she knows the truth. There is nothing wrong with that.\n*Edit* as she knows the truth.\nWhat a difference a word makes.",
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"content": "This is just another demonstration of how incapable Hilary would be at leading the country. Vote for someone else. She's not the only Democrat, and she's not the only non-Republican candidate.",
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"content": "This article is idiotic.\n\n> Now it’s routine for gun lobby commentators and politicians to blame mass shootings on the existence of so-called “gun-free zones.” This is a red herring, pushed by the gun lobby to advance a “guns everywhere” agenda, which insults the dead and mocks the living by reducing tragedy to a mere trope.\n\nSays the guy who is using the tragedy to push for banning guns. Nice to see self awareness is utterly lacking.\n\n> In our case, Virginia Tech had routine police presence in and around campus, which the gunman even accounted for in his planning. It’s pointless to debate what hypothetically could have happened if a student or teacher carried a concealed firearm in Norris Hall that day, because nobody will ever know. But such a debate misses the main point: Mary, and everyone else, would have been far safer if the shooter had been unable to obtain a gun in the first place.\n\nLet's follow this logic chain. Despite VA tech having a strict expulsion policy for any students carrying guns to defend themselves, and a no-guns policy on campus, brought two guns with him, chained up the doors to the building he was in and started slaughtering people. But hey, if it's pointless to debate hypotheticals, why is he hypothetically debating banning guns?\n\nThe author thinks that somehow it would be easier to confiscate 300 million firearms than to just let people with concealed carry permits carry on campus. On top of this, he's going to block smuggling routes and confiscate all privately owned machine tools in the country as well. Oh, I'm sorry, I pointed out the flaws in his pointless hypothetical.\n\n> In Chattanooga, everyone at the recruiting center, the first attack scene, survived despite a hail of rapid long gun fire, because the combat veterans present followed their active shooter training and helped others to shelter and to evacuate the building. In their case, effective training and quick thinking, not the presence of a gun, made the difference. Only time will tell what exactly happened at the second scene, but official accounts so far indicate our service members’ brave actions and teamwork probably saved lives.\n\nWell this ex-Air Force officer also ignored that at the recruiting center, the [Navy Officer & Marines fought back with personally owned weapons](http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/21/sources-navy-officer-marine-shot-chattanooga-gunman/30426817/).\n\n> So-called “gun-free zones” do not make people more vulnerable to gun violence. The fact is, 86% of mass shootings – which the FBI defines as four or more murders – occur elsewhere, such as at home, in the streets, or in workplaces, *according to research by Everytown for Gun Safety*. \n\nFound the problem. Even ignoring that many workplaces prohibit concealed carry on premises, off the top of my head I can name multiple mass shootings that occurred in gun free zones.\n\n* [Charlestown Church shooting](http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/18/charleston-church-massacre-happened-in-gun-free-zone/) (SC bans carry in churches without express approval from the clergy. The pastor who was murdered campaigned for more gun control as a state senator).\n* [Lafayette theater shooting](http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/24/lafayette-louisiana-theater-is-a-gun-free-zone/) (theater banned guns).\n* [Aurora movie theater shooting](http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater.html)\n* Virginia Tech as mentioned above, but really any school shooting fits this bill, including Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc.\n* Navy Yard shooting (which like the recent Chattanooga shootings & Fort Hood, federal facilities prohibit carry)\n\nThe list goes on. This article is stupid, the author is a shill, and we have decades of promises that gun control will fix things if we just add more and more restrictions which wind up being exposed as security theater. \n\nIt's time to be progressive and demand that citizens be able to defend themselves, whether it's against racists, gay bashers, or home intruders. Wanting to defend yourself is not *victim blaming* and claiming otherwise is ghoulish opportunism on the part of people wanting to keep Jim Crow era policies in place.",
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"content": "How many celebratory rounds did you let off today?\n",
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"content": "Seems like you are the one gleefully celebrating more dead bodies, given the number of antigun articles you've posted.\n\nThere's this one above. [xposted](https://np.reddit.com/r/progressive/comments/3ekpui/exair_force_officer_gun_laws_not_gunfree_zones/) in /r/progressive and another subreddit.\n\nThen you posted [this one](https://np.reddit.com/r/progressive/comments/3eklbl/criminalize_conservatism_conservatism_the/) in 3 subreddits, and [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/comments/3ek3x1/were_just_haggling_over_price_i_am_a_southern/) in two.\n\nSeems like fresh corpse really excite you. Do you rub your hands together gleefully, because it gives you another chance to try to convince people that they would be better off unarmed victims?\n\nThe fact that somehow gun control has become a democratic party platform is disgraceful and you should be ashamed that you support laws with a history of racism behind them.",
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"content": "Nope. Just an anti-idiot, anti-NRA gun owner, who's probably shot more and owned more guns (60 years of) than you ever will.\n\nI have little problem with guns per se - lots of problems with idiots condoning mass murder who foster the conditions for those to occur and continue.\n\n\n",
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"content": "> Nope. Just an anti-idiot, anti-NRA gun owner, who's probably shot more and owned more guns (60 years of) than you ever will.\n\nYou show an amazing lack of self awarness.\n\n> I have little problem with guns per se - lots of problems with idiots condoning mass murder who foster the conditions for those to occur and continue.\n\nKeep fighting that strawman. If you really cared about reducing violence, you'd focus on strategies with a chance of success instead of masturbating over dead bodies.",
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"content": "I intend to keep fighting the NRA and their owners for sane gun control.",
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"content": "Define \"sane\" gun control.",
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"content": "1) Criminal and Mental Health Background checks at every point of sale excepting family member to family member.\n\n2) Firearms safety test for at least all handgun owners - you get a 'permit' of sorts. Kind of like drivers license.\n\n3) Absolute licensing of all CCW, but, valid in all states.\n\n4) Registration of all guns, so they can be traced.\n\nAny/all of the above worthless of course, state by state, but if nationally implemented these murders would begin to diminish; as guns used criminally removed from the market even more so.\n ",
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"content": "> 1) Criminal and Mental Health Background checks at every point of sale excepting family member to family member.\n\nWhere are you going to get enough mental health professionals to do this? Why are you excepting family members? Wouldn't it be more effective to provide strong mental health social welfare programs for all americans instead of just requiring it for gun owners?\n\nOn top of this, it's been well established that prosecuting violators of background checks (already a federal felony) has not been a priority for this (or any other) administration. Straw purchasing prosecutions barely break double digits in total across the country. What is the point in creating new laws if you aren't going to prosecute people?\n\n> Firearms safety test for at least all handgun owners - you get a 'permit' of sorts. Kind of like drivers license.\n\nI'm fine with this as long as you make it mandatory in K-12 in order to ensure that even people who don't own guns know how to handle them safely in the event that they come across one. Firearms accidents can be effectively mitigated in this manner. Not educating people is going to be about as effective as \"abstinence only\" sex education is - a total failure. I don't agree with permits for rights as historically they have been used to disenfranchise minorities and the poor. Voter ID is a perfect example of why that is a bad idea.\n\n> Absolute licensing of all CCW, but, valid in all states.\n\nI'm fine with national reciprocity, however would you mind explaining why licensing is needed given that the areas with constitutional carry haven't seen outbreaks of violence? \n\n> Registration of all guns, so they can be traced.\n\nThis is one of those ideas that sounds good in theory but fails in practice, primarily because a stolen firearm is untraceable. It also ignores that firearms can be manufactured in the black market or smuggled in like drugs are now. My suggestion would be, instead, punishing violent offenders with firearms harsher (and decriminalizing minor drug offenders to greatly reduce prisoners, along with a proper rehabilitation efforts).\n\nGenerally, tracing is not effective as a crime prevention method. Registries can & have been abused though by governments to confiscate firearms, in addition to [general incompetence](http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/09/27/dc-police-dept-loses-gun-owners-fingerprints-forces-them-to-pay-fee-to-reregister-n1897259) that again penalizes the poor.\n\n> Any/all of the above worthless of course, state by state, but if nationally implemented these murders would begin to diminish; as guns used criminally removed from the market even more so.\n\nYou haven't established that murders would diminish, though, you are just stating it as if it is a fact. Have you heard what [Richmond CA did to cut its murder rate by 2/3rd](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/richmond-california-murder-rate-gun-death)? The people they targeted had long histories of arrests and were known to the cops; yet they had no problems getting guns. Their approach utilized a \"carrot\" method, and helped short circuit the violence, similar to what [Dr Gary Slutkin has been doing](http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_slutkin_let_s_treat_violence_like_a_contagious_disease/transcript?language=en)\n\nFurthermore, I'm seeing a lot of proposals that target the law abiding. How are you going to address firearms usage by criminals? ",
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"content": "http://ruger.com/micros/2million/index.html\n\nhttp://www.buzzfeed.com/rob1cox/my-year-in-the-nra#.vtZaAdeKE\n\nhttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/16/gun-maker-colt-neared-bankruptcy-made-payments-nra-political-allies-former-general-mcchrsytal/\n\nhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/gunned-down/what-happened-when-a-major-gun-company-crossed-the-nra/\n\nhttps://us.glock.com/news/story/glock-to-donate-to-nra-at-annual-meetings/\n\nhttp://thegazette.com/subject/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/nra-uses-fear-to-control-individuals-20150710\n\nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/harlan-green/does-nra-oppose-gun-viole_b_6054826.html\n",
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"content": "That is a beautiful example of using the [gish gallop technique](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop).\n\n> The Gish Gallop is the debating technique of drowning an opponent in such a torrent of small arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer or address each one in real time. *More often than not, these myriad arguments are full of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments* — the only condition is that there be many of them, not that they be particularly compelling on their own. They may be escape hatches or \"gotcha\" arguments that are specifically designed to be brief, but take a long time to unravel. Thus, galloping is frequently used in timed debates (especially by creationists) to overwhelm one's opponent.\n\n> Examples are commonly found in \"list\" articles that may claim to show \"100 reasons for\" something, or \"50 reasons against\" something. At this sort of level, with dozens upon dozens of minor arguments, each individual point on the list may only be a single sentence or two, and many may be a repeat or vague re-wording of a previous one. This is the intention: although it is trivial amount of effort on the part of the galloper to make a point, particularly if they just need to re-iterate an existing one a different way, a refutation may take much longer and someone addressing will be unable to refute all points in a similarly short order. If even one argument in a Gish Gallop is left standing at the end, or addressed insufficiently, the galloper will attempt to claim victory.\n\nBravo.",
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"content": "Gish Galllop refers to spoken word - this is just a starting reading list, take your time.",
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"content": "Nope. Someone didn't bother reading. Try again",
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"content": "Also, you Repubs might note, Ron Paul would have made you lose a Lot of Money.\n\n",
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"content": "Yea. He sure schooled him. /s ",
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"content": "Yeah, I wouldn't say schooled. He's just pointing out that he's been wrong for nearly 35 years. Even if he's right this time, even a broken clock is right twice a day and RP has been crying that same time for almost 35 years, so who knows. (no, he's actually wrong again unless his free market creeps somehow get back in control and intentionally drive the markets off a cliff. This could happen if that bloviating bombastic buffoon gets elected, or Sonny boy.)",
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"content": "Learn to spell.",
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"content": "Pretty sure everything there is spelled correctly there chief. ",
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"content": "The word yeah has an h on it you cretin. Just because a generation didnt read any books and collectively winged it when faced with the task of texting a word they say 80 times a day but don't know how to spell doesn't make it right. Eediot.",
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"content": "Please tell me you're kidding. (I mean common, the /s didn't irk you at all?)",
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"content": "Just tack an h on it and move on with your life looking like you have read a book or two. You're welcome. ",
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"content": "Really? That's all you have to contribute? If you're that anal: [I bet you're fun at parties](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yea)",
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"content": "meh",
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"content": "That's what I thought. ",
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"content": "lol you win again!",
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"content": "Only dumbshit Krugman could turn this debate into a racial argument. He's been arguing for holding Gold since the country went off the gold standard in the early 70's when gold was $35 dollars an oz. It peaked at around $1880 in 2011 and now sits at $1100. I'd say he was pretty fucking right. I wonder what Krugman has to say about countries like China buying large quantities of gold, in secret, to hold in in its treasury. ",
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"content": "So, when is all the hyperinflation going to kick in?",
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"content": "Being on the gold standard would put the US in the same position that Greece was and continues to be in. They cannot employ a counter-cyclic monetary policy to deal with their financial problems. I guess Rand Paul failed to notice that the US hasn't had severe inflation or a depression since it went off the gold standard.",
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"content": "The conversation is about Ron Paul.\n\n> Being on the gold standard would put the US in the same position that Greece was and continues to be in.\n\nSo, that 18,000,000,000,000 in debt isn't a concern? Grease couldn't issue and then turn around and buy it's own debt, like we can. A gold standard wouldn't allow for us to print trillions of dollars out of thin air.\n\n> They cannot employ a counter-cyclic monetary policy to deal with their financial problems.\n\nTheir socialist policies are why they couldn't deal with their financial problems. Why do liberals think that it is OK to spend more than you take in and then just keep borrowing? \n\n> I guess Rand Paul failed to notice that the US hasn't had severe inflation or a depression since it went off the gold standard.\n\nWhat is severe? How much debt have we accumulated since the fed has pumped the economy with stimulus and quantitative easing?\n",
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"content": ">So, that 18,000,000,000,000 in debt isn't a concern? Grease couldn't issue and then turn around and buy it's own debt, like we can. A gold standard wouldn't allow for us to print trillions of dollars out of thin air.\n\nAn amount of debt by itself is a useless figure. \"How can we survive 93,000,000 miles from the sun?\"\n\nThat currency is ever manufactured out of anything other than thin air is an illusion. There is nothing wrong with that. Furthermore, \"backing\" a currency with gold creates more economic risk, not less.",
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"content": "> An amount of debt by itself is a useless figure\n\nIt's so sad that you believe that.\n\n>\"backing\" a currency with gold creates more economic risk, not less.\n\nWhat are you talking about? When you have a fiat currency the government isn't restrained in creating and spending money. The more you expand the money supply, the less each dollar is worth, the less your savings is worth. When a currency is backed by gold you can be confident that it will retain its value. Also, the government can't print a limitless supply of money.\n\nThe only reason that the United States has been able to get away with it for so long is due to the fact that we hold the world reserve currency, and that won't last forever. \n\nHaven't you every heard of Zimbabwe? Probably not, because you are a liberal that can conveniently ignore facts. ",
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"content": "> It's so sad that you believe that.\n\nIt is meaningful as a fraction of GDP but is meaningless by itself. Debt has been smaller in absolute terms in the past, but was a more serious problem at the time because it was a larger proportion of GDP.\n\n>When you have a fiat currency the government isn't restrained in creating and spending money. \n\nThe government is restrained in other better ways. When you restrict government's ability to create and destroy money, you prevent them from being able to effectively address problems presented by normal business cycles. That is one of main reasons Greece is limited in its ability to address its economic problems. If it were still on the Drachma, it could devalue the currency and spread the misery more or less evenly. Sometimes inflation is a good thing.",
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"content": "[Here](https://youtu.be/q3SOlXxUBLk?t=847), you sociailsts may learn something.",
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"content": "You know she's going to forget about all of this stuff when she takes office right? Every populist promise. Every co'opt of the Sanders platform, every promise and guarantee. \nShe will never ever have her husband's predilection for pure politics. Shell take office and be a rudderless one timer and everyone will hope Bill steps in",
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"content": "Difference between Clinton and Sanders is that with Clinton it's a campaign promise, with Sanders it's a base concept.\n\nAnd why should there even be an exemption for capital gains at all? Income should be income.",
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"content": "What is this based on? Honestly curious where this notion comes from that she'll abandon literally all of her campaign promises.",
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"content": "She'll abandon them, because they're not \"her\" promises. She's co'opting these issues just to satisfy polling metrics. She also has a lousy habit of being hell bent for her pet agendas, so long as it doesn't rock the boat. Otherwise she historically has voted whichever way the wind was blowing, not to mention that she's never had any particularly artful grasp of finance. I don't recall her ever authoring any finance bills or sitring on any finance related committees while in the Senate. So then why start talking finance now? If she did win the white house, it would essentially be GHWB all over again. Excellent foreign policy, disastrous domestic policy. Money would still flow unabated to the top. Her big campaign donors would remain happy, the party leadership would line up and we'd continue along the same drum beat to disaster.",
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"content": "Ghwb? You're being a little hyperbolic friend. At the very least, we'd likely get 1-2 supreme court justices out of a Hillary presidency. That alone is valuable.\n\nHistorically, regardless of party, a lot of campaign promises are actually pushed when a president comes into power. It's rare that its empty rhetoric.",
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"content": "Really? Is that really so hyperbolic? GHWB had superb foreign policy chops, and no domestic skills. We know she's got FP skills from her time in State, but what domestic issue has she truly championed successfully? Name me one. Someone of her caliber should have an entire sessions worth of bills to credit and in her name. Well, where are they? Also, Bush was no more effective at fending off a third party challenge from the right than she is demonstrating herself to be from Sanders,who is essentially third party in spirit . she has money and gender appeal and that's it. I personally give democrats and independents far more credit than to think that's enough to drive them to the polls for her.",
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"content": "Your going to sit there and call Sanders an unqualified success in July of 2015? And you're not being hyperbolic? Ha! I like Sanders but get real. We are 6 months from the first primary and have yet to see one debate. It's far too early to call Sanders wildly successful at challenging Hillary. And the one making the accusations should be the one providing proof. The onus isn't on me to prove she is a liberal, the onus is on you, you started the accusations, to provide proof. Back up your claims with some facts first. ",
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"content": "The fact of the matter is, he's not challenging Hillary at all. He's looking completely past her. While she's trying to figure out everything she can to undercut his platform without losing her benefactors. She's had the exact same problem in 2008, She had no answer for progressive platform then, and she still has no answer to it now, just like she didn't have one then? Remember? When she tried to run to the right of Obama? Is she really going to try to run left of Sanders?",
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"content": "I don't think anyone's an unqualified success at this point, but Sanders is certainly making his case. I don't see anyone else coming even close.",
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"content": "It would be a huge mistake to look past Hillary. She has an enormous advantage among minorities as it stands, which is a large percentage of the base.",
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"content": "I don't buy that. I know that the media throws that to her as this advantage that she seems entitled to for some reason, but what has she EVER done to deserve that claim? What legislation did she craft? It's this vestigial inheritance that she gets tacked on, just because people liked to think that Bill was the \"First Black President\". Considering the impact of the Crime bill he passed, and the harm that did to the Black Community, I can't see how that notion still carries.\n",
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"content": "That's a lot of energy independence and American jobs. ",
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"content": "Unfortunately the only way republicans will agree if the panels are bought and installed by the Chinese.",
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"content": "Here is what I dont get. Right now China basically dominates the solar market. This is because the Chinese government dumped a ton of resources into it to make it a global leader. If we are going to transition off of fossil fuels (which is both an environmental issue and a national security issue so both sides win here) I would rather not buy them from the Chinese. So we need congress to go along with whatever measure will help the solar industry here. ",
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"content": "Solar City is opening a production plant in Buffalo, NY",
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"content": "You know they are going to oppose anything we try to do, regardless of whether it is good for America or not. The second we suggest trying to fund the Solar industry with even 1/100th of the handouts we've given the oil industry they are going to cry about Solyndra.\n\nWe need more than the President to get things done now, we have to take back the House and Senate.",
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"content": "She could just do this without winning the POTUS...",
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"content": "...how?",
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"content": "Congress drafts laws, silly. Not POTUS.",
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"content": "So she could do it in congress? ",
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"content": "She has enough political influence to get congress members to draft and attempt to pass the bill. She doesn't need to be POTUS to do it, though it would definitely help.",
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"content": "You're seriously suggesting that she has enough influence over the Republican controlled House & Senate to pass a massive, federally funded, public works program in order to combat global warming, something that many Republicans deny even exists? I have *serious* doubts that she could get this done even if she were President.\n\nI get the feeling you don't really follow politics.",
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"content": "I actually have a degree in it. \n\nThe point I was making is that POTUS isn't responsible for all these things she is saying. We learned this quickly with Obama. Obama said everything we wanted to hear, but when it came down to it, he was just POTUS and couldn't do a damn thing. ",
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"content": "The Clinton campaign is saying something? How unusual. ",
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"content": "The article say 500 million individual panels, not $500 million worth of panels. She's proposing a 700% increase in installed solar capacity over ten years.",
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"content": "Ah, my mistake, that's a vast difference. Downvote to oblivion.",
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"content": "She's full of shit c",
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"content": "#HillaryHiredAKeystoneLobbyist \n\n#HillaryIsProFracking ",
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"content": "Yes, her solar platform is lipstick on a pig. She's in the pocket of fossil fuel. Gotta say stuff like that, though, cause she can #FeelTheBern",
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"content": "Is that an actual hashtag? I've been joking with my wife that I've got a \\#bernieboner while she's \\#hardforhillary",
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"content": "It is, I think.",
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"content": "Well if Canada says so...",
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"content": "I would support Sanders, but take no offense this is my take on his views. He seems to be preaching about these radical new changes that would bring a lot of positive change for the USA, but I can't help but think that they're just going to be empty promises because realistically how is he going to implement a higher minimum wage (which we need, but is it really possible without damaging our economy badly). \n\nAll I'm saying is he might be bringing too much change in a short period of time to be attainable.\n\nHe's the candidate we love, but can be do what he promises?",
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"content": "Every time the minimum wage was raised people claimed it would kill the economy and it didn't. Having wages that don't keep up with inflation is killing the economy. I'll be fifty next year. A pound of ground beef has gone from ninety nine cents to around four dollars. Wages have not kept up with the rise in food, shelter or any other costs. You know what kills the economy? People who work and work but still can't afford basic needs.",
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"content": "Look, no offense but this is unsound reasoning. None of the candidates will reasonably accomplish what they want to accomplish–it is the nature of having to work with a government that will always be 50% against you. However, the most likely candidate to actually change anything at all will be the most radical one. When you are negotiating a price, you start with a low offer that is likely to be rejected, not one in the middle. It's the same for ideas. ",
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"content": "> it is the nature of having to work with a government that will always be 50% against you.\n\nYou believe there is ALWAYS a section of the government that is 50% against you?\n\nwhat kind of bullshit logic is that?",
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"content": "I was referring to the two party system. It is known to stagnate progress. But you can skirt around my point all you want, you will only reveal your own naivety. ",
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"content": "it just seems silly to think the other party is your enemy.\n\nSome of them are extremists, but they should all be \"Americans\" so to label 50% as completely against you no matter what is the part I don't understand.\n\nWe have a 3 party system sometimes 4 where I am from, and political unions are important. \n\nYou must learn to work with your counterparts or you get the modern politics you see today (obstructionism) that has been troubling America for far to long.\n\nWith surly dire consequences",
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"content": ">it just seems silly to think the other party is your enemy.\n\nI'd like to believe in reality there aren't situations where it seems that way, but there are. The government shutdown was a perfect example of that, where even the 'moderate' republicans fell in line behind Cruz and the other lunatics to support their tantrum.",
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"content": "I strongly support almost all of Sanders' views. His problem if elected is to get the Neanderthals(sorry actual Neanderthals) in Congress to go along with any of his proposals. Congress is so business first and the people second(or third) that the lobbyists would stop any of his proposals in their tracks.",
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"content": "How is it better if we wind up with a president who doesn't care about doing any of the things Sanders promises?\n\n\"Working with Republicans\" in order to \"get things done\" (I.e. capitulating to the right and calling it \"compromise\") would be disastrous for this country right now.",
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"content": "> but is it really possible without damaging our economy badl\n\nHow does a prosperous working class damage an economy? ",
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"content": "Bernie Sanders is a *Secret Canadian*. He is a deep sleeper mole planted by Ottawa almost fifty years ago. Look at his ideas and talking points! He is one of the most Canadianised Americans there ever was.\n",
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"content": "Don't be ridiculous. We know Toronto is the capital of Canada. Ottawa is the scapegoat. ",
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"content": "Toronto *thinks* it is the captial of Canada.",
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"content": "It thinks, therefore it is.",
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"content": "There is a fence around the place and they don't even know it.",
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"content": "There's nothing that says anti-choice scumbags can't be Democrats. ",
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"content": "So much for a big tent...",
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"content": "It's called personal responsibility. If you're going to espouse misogyny, you have to accept that people are going to call you a misogynist.",
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"content": "I didn't say anything that resembled misogyny..I had a legitimate question of whether the Democratic Party had room for people with a different view on a single topic...",
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"content": "Wants to make women second class citizens; isn't a misogynist.",
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"content": "Thank you for being charitable during this conversation",
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"content": "It's not my fault that you're an asshole, asshole. ",
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"content": "high schoolers these days ",
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"content": "Misogynist scumbags these days.",
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"content": "Wow! So saying women should be denied personal autonomy isn't misogyny when you do it the form of *just asking questions*.",
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"content": "You're like those shitbrains who say that gays should be denied equal rights and then get upset when they're called homophobes. You have every right to say \"is there a place for my woman-hating views in the Democratic party\", but you can't then get upset when called out for your misogyny. ",
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"content": "You think spouting sexist bullshit is constructive? You really are a shitbrain.",
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"content": "Saying \"stop calling me a misogynist piece of shit just because I think women are subhuman and should be second class citizens\" doesn't actually support your position, you misogynist piece of shit. You've not once given a reason to deny women their rights other than that you're an asshole.\n\nI think you came here hoping you'd be called out for your sexism so you could feign outrage at being \"persecuted\", shitbrain.",
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"content": "Short answer yes, they exist. Long answer, it depends. You'd be hard pressed to find a democrat that is full blown anti-contraception, pro forced birth. There are plenty of democratic voters who don't like the idea of abortion and still think it should be legal. They are usually in favor of affordable contraception; many also favor comprehensive sex ed. In my experience (3+ years as a full time telefundraiser for various democratic groups and a handful of charities, including Planned Parenthood), most people who describe themselves as fiscally liberal and socially conservative have no idea what they're talking about, and sometimes are just blatantly sexist/homophobic/racist. Not long after the Hobby Lobby ruling, I talked to one donor for the DSCC who told me women wouldn't get pregnant if they kept their legs closed. I told him to vote Republican. He was in New York state somewhere, so I'm not really worried about it. That's the kind of bullshit there is NOT room for.",
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"content": "If you don't like abortions, then don't have an abortion. ",
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"content": "Kinda depends on whatchercallin 'pro-life'. If claiming every zygote is a Ph.D. and registered voter while 3 months olds should be open carrying, quit being commies and get a damn job already - no.\n",
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"content": "pro-life as in anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, and pro universal healthcare ",
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"content": "See, the thing is that being anti-choice is not really a pro-life position at all.",
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"content": "I am that, so yes. Consider it being kinda like a 'cultural catholic,' but to my friends I just call it full-spectrum-pro-life.\n\nI do try to separate my belief in what is good from my belief in what should be legal though. If wishes were fishes id also like universal pre k and expanded social security, and universal contraception, to you know, lower the instances of the other thing.",
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"content": "Is there room for people in a party who agree with most of the party's tenets but disagree with one its positions? Of course. There actually are a good deal of semi-pro life congressional Democrats. They tend to be pro-union Midwestern types. That said, I think the Democratic party is really moving away from that as it increasingly appeals to college grads who are generally very pro-choice, and away from the white working class who have largely defected to the Republican party.",
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"content": "I don't think anyone considers abortion a desirable end in itself. It would be highly commendable to promote real and substantial support for single moms who choose to have their baby, to promote the availability of contraception, even to offer honest counseling. In the end, though, there must be complete respect for the woman's choice.",
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"content": "Well, I only speak for myself and I support every effort to open up viable alternatives.",
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"content": "You caught me! I care more about a tragic thing that actually happened than one imagined in a conservative fever dream.",
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"content": "You expected something reasonable from Bristol Palin? ",
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"content": "No dude, just wanna raise awareness of this specific post.",
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"content": ">Maybe you should stop having children out of wedlock you slut.",
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"content": "TIL: You can buy a Lamborghini by selling organs at $30 each.\n\nSo clueless. ",
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"content": "That font though....\n\nedit: on another note Bristol Palin is horrible, and the dentist should go to jail",
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"content": "I know, its so beautiful.",
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"content": "I'm more upset about the font than the lion or the babies",
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"content": "It's like you can actually see Idiocracy happening right before our eyes.. Fuddruckers slowly morphing into Buttfuckers. ",
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"content": "Low hanging fruit",
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"content": "Ah... The old Jeff Foxworthy classic joke set up, \"You might be a...\" I think it's so smart that, rather than write her own material, she just reached her down into the retard-barrel and quote one of the world's worst comics. You know what Palin? If you have to recycle one-liners from Jeff Foxworthy, you just might be fucking retard. Keep doin' mama proud.",
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"content": "/r/forwardsfromgrandma",
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"content": "The slut shaming seems like an unnecessary addendum. ",
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"content": "I agreed with it up until he called her a slut. ",
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"content": "slut.\n",
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"content": "ikr.",
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"content": "She grew up in slut culture. ",
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"content": "Where did this \"body part profit\" line come from? It's not the first times I've seen it being used",
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"content": "First Google story I came to that wasn't about a presidential candidate's response to the video mentioned in the article:\n\nhttp://m.missoulian.com/news/opinion/columnists/videos-about-planned-parenthood-are-grossly-misleading/article_5712b7dd-db07-5188-8fc8-8c4016795425.html?mobile_touch=true",
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"content": "Its a reference to Planned Parenthood selling aborted fetus parts....I mean I guess they'd rather the kids die for nothing?",
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"content": "That was another right wing hoax, video editing \"special\".\nIf it comes out of a right winger's mouth, it's a lie.\n",
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"content": "Either way, the abortions are going to happen. It might as well help society. The money they allegedly get keeps them going and keeps them providing much needed services (other than abortions) to people who need them. As someone who is technically pro-life (though I think the option should still be available..its just being realistic) I just don't have an issue with this if it turns out to be real.",
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"content": "She says she worked in fast food places mostly but she also said she went to college...I'm guessing she got a degree in literature/history",
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"content": "And wouldn't making a living wage do more for the economy than selective tax cuts? If millions have more money to spend...",
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"content": "a living wage might encourage this lady to have more kids. ",
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"content": "So.... She doesn't deserve to be out of poverty? That is an awful argument. You would pay poor people less.... Just to make sure they stay poor and know they aren't as inherently worthy as you are? The point of the article is that with a living wage, she would be off government assistance; you are advocating for keeping minimum wage people on food stamps. \n\nOn the other hand, we did forcibly castrate poor people before. Should that be a requirement for a living wage? ",
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"content": "I get the point of the article. At some point people have to be accountable for their actions, if she didn't have two kids she would be a lot better off, do you not agree?",
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"content": "I don't think you get the article at all. A single mom isn't able to work and provide the basics on her income, so the government has to step in and essentially subsidize the company that is paying poverty wages. She specifically addressed the things you are concerned about in the article... But at any rate, what does \"take responsibility\" mean? Work hard and provide for your kids seems really responsible. Do you know the circumstances under which she had the kids? You are assuming she was irresponsible in having kids, which isn't a given. And even if she was, does that mean the kids shouldn't have a pot to piss in because you would rather stick up for companies and industries that have never been more profitable? Little sound bite questions might be easy to understand, but don't play out in reality. Re read the article and and try to understand poverty isn't exactly easy to escape. Looking down on someone and condemning them shows your lack of empathy and understanding of how poor people are forced to live. ",
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"content": "First I am not sticking up for companies, and I grew up extremely poor. However don't really get why she is angry, it seems to be she has limited herself to working jobs with very little pay. It also seems she is perfectly content with being \"poor\". I realize people need help, this lady is somewhat college educated and for 16 years she has limited herself to working for no more than 11 dollars an hour. ",
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"content": "Raising the gas tax, and repairing roads and bridges would also put more jobs out there in the economy.\n\nEspecially at these low interest rates, this is the best time for federal projects.\n",
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"content": "i am all for government assistance but she really should admit had she not had kids she couldn't afford she wouldn't be \"poor\" ",
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"content": "I think she mentioned her kids and costs associated with them multiple times in the article. I would almost say that's what the article was about. I fail to see what point your trying to make. Should she abandon the kids? Before you say she shouldn't have had them, well what's done is done. She seems to have been married so it's not like she went out and got knocked up. Also, most people who use the well if she didn't have kids argument tend to be against abortion and contraceptives. So should poor people not be allowed to have sex? I'm sure horizons were looking up when they started their family. It sounds to me like she's using the aid responsibly as well. ",
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"content": "So lets break down her anger, she is mad at what exactly? \nIs she mad because she is not being paid a livable wage or that she feels people look down on her for taking assistance? \n\n",
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"content": "I think she's mad because people look down on her for getting food stamps even though there isn't a livable minimum wage.",
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"content": "Regardless of whether a person is for or against abortion there really cannot be any argument for taxpayer dollars being used for this grotesque procedure.",
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"content": "Cutting of all bodies is grotesque. So what? If I have a heart attack, I still want it fixed. I don't care what it looks like.\n\nScience is a key product of the United States and is constantly improving our medical care.\n\nFunding should be increased.",
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"content": "We shouldn't be using taxpayer dollars to suck out and crush a living human being.\n\nIf there is a benefit to science then let science pay the cost or those that want to pay to support. But government should not be in the business of paying for the destruction of a human life.",
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"content": "> We shouldn't be using taxpayer dollars to suck out and crush a living human being.\n\nWe're not. Keep your beliefs in your church.",
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"content": "Are you REALLY going to say we are not sucking out and crushing a living human being? You can support abortion if you would like but simply can't defend any other outcome than it is killing a human baby.",
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"content": "It's a blob of cells. Women often lose them naturally through miscarriage, too.\n\nIt's not a human baby until around 24 weeks, at which point the abortion is illegal unless the mother's life is in danger. Which is 100% reasonable.",
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"content": "Blob of cells with a beating heart, two hands, two feet, and livers desired to be sold.",
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"content": "$100 for an hour of surgeon's time is a good deal.\n\nIf that's what you are selling an actual working organ for, you are getting ripped off.",
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"content": "Please don't ever say that to woman who has just had a miscarriage. She would likely be very hurt by it.",
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"content": "Duh.",
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"content": "I'd hate for you to have to explain to her how all she lost was a blob of cells teaming with human DNA, pulsating with a heartbeat that pumped a unique blood type through tiny capillaries. Because she might misinterpret that as the definition of a developing baby...that would be awkward.",
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"content": "It's her hopes and dreams and the future she was planning for, possibly for decades.\n\nStrangely, they often have a specific number in mind. My mom wanted 3. She miscarried her first child, then, not surprising at all, still had 3 babies.\n\nAllowing women to control when and how they fulfill their dreams is perfectly reasonable.\n\nForcing them to start the moment they have their first conception is retarded.",
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"content": "I'm sorry for your mother's loss...and your loss of a sibling.",
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"content": "I had 2 siblings. That's all it was ever going to be. You are wishing my youngest sister never existed.",
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"content": "Not at all. I'm a mother and a sibling...would hurt to have a miscarriage.",
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"content": "That's not what you said you were sorry for.",
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"content": "True. I said I was sorry for your Mother's miscarriage.",
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"content": ">We shouldn't be using taxpayer dollars to suck out and crush a living human being.\n\nWe are not. PP takes great pains to keep their funding away from their abortion procedures:\n\n>[In U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortion unless the pregnancy arises from incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment)",
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"content": "The \"body parts\" are being used for research. Why is this even an issue?",
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"content": "It's fetal tissue, not limbs. ",
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"content": "It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action. The funds that a government spends for whatever purposes are levied by taxation. And taxes are paid because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax gatherers. They know that any disobedience or resistance is hopeless. As long as this is the state of affairs, the government is able to collect the money that it wants to spend. Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen. The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning. Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.",
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"content": "wow, you are an idiot. Can't say I'm particularly happy about some of the things that the government THINKS are within its perogative but public health is one that I am perfectly fine with. People have gotten so damn comfortable with our current low death and illness rate for such a long time that they believe this shit doesn't exist and never did. Just like the anti-vaxxers and man-made climate change deniers, you idiots are skipping to armageddon.\n\n“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.” \n― Edmund Burke\n\nEat shit and die. Literally.",
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"content": "Can you go back to /r/anarcho_capitalism or whatever libertarian shit hole you crawled out of please?",
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"content": "dcbiker is a bot. It's not a real person. It just posts random pro-libertarian bullshit cut and pasted from elsewhere on the net. Here's the source of \"It is important to remember that government\" stuff to which you responded; it was directly lifted from here verbatim:\n\nhttp://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/HmA/msHmA27.html",
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"content": "> And taxes are paid because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax gatherers. \n\nTaxes are payment for the taxpayer's part of the social contract. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't participate in society, simple as that. Don't enter into a contract that is enforceable through our court system. \n\nOurs is a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. We aren't just the taxpayers, we're also the tax collectors. We're collectively purchasing goods and services for our collective use.\n\nThe accounting is simply easier and cheaper when we use \"earning\" and \"buying\" as an analog for public service consumption in general, rather than attempting to quantify each individual's specific share of every public resource used.\n\nThe alternative to taxes is a toll booth at every intersection, and a collection box on the desk of every public servant.\n\nThe Ferengi are the best libertarians in the galaxy. ",
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"content": "I agree. Taxes are necessary and wanted in a good functioning society. Republicans have made the word \"taxes\" a swear word. Taxes do a lot of great things for the public.\n\nWhat would our nation look like without taxes? I shudder to think.\n\nOh, and of course we should force food handlers to wash their hands. Science proves that this saves lives.",
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"content": "WARNING, SATIRE AHEAD\n\nOnce things settle down in Somalia we will see the wisdom of the libertarian model.\n\nRETURN TO LEVEL GREEN",
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"content": "Ah. So, no regulation requiring food service employees wash their hands, but a regulation requiring food service businesses to post a notice if they don't. \n\nSo, we're going to have a regulation regarding handwashing either way. Gotcha. \n",
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"content": "No, you're missing the real gem. So, no regulation requiring food service employees wash their hands, but a regulation allowing restaurants to turn away gay patrons. Because big government!",
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"content": "Note to self: don't eat in North Carolina. \n \n",
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"content": "A friendly reminder:\n\ndon't eat in North Carolina.",
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"content": "I saw a meme asking anti-vaxers how they would feel if restaurant workers had the freedom to not wash hands yesterday, had a good laugh. But now I know the anti-science right doesn't see the irony.",
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"content": "not that i'd ever get an invite, but, note to self: don't eat anything this guy serves.",
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"content": "Hey friend! I thought I'd remind you:\n\ndon't eat anything this guy serves.",
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"content": "So he's in favor of adding more regulation requiring tha6t businesses post all of their employment policies on the wall of the establishment? Or do we need separate laws requiring posting about each individual employment policy which the public should know about?\n\nOr does the Senator think that businesses are going to voluntarily advertise various things they know customers won't be happy about?",
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"content": "“I think it’s one I can illustrate the point,” Tillis told the women. “I said, I don’t have any problem with Starbucks if they choose to opt out of this policy as long as the post a sign that says ‘We don’t require our employees to wash their hands after leaving the restrooms.’ The market will take care of that.”\n\nIf they're not required to wash their hands, why require them to post a sign? No regulations is no regulations. That's why we have politicians, to pick the better regulation. Which is it, Senator Tillis? Which do you prefer?\n",
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"content": "Something something Typhoid Mary. ",
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"content": "Ecoliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ........",
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"content": "I feel like I'm getting punk'd here.",
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"content": ">“Let an industry or business opt out as long as they indicate through proper disclosure, through advertising, through employment, literature, whatever else. There’s this level of regulations that maybe they’re on the books, but maybe you can make a market-based decision as to whether or not they should apply to you.”\n\nWait, so he wants to replace one common sense regulation with one convoluted regulation?\n\nAm I missing something? What could possibly be his reasoning behind this? It's not deregulation, obviously. Is he just talking with no filter? This doesn't even make sense.",
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"content": "Why not go whole hog and have done with it? Remove the sinks, towels, toilet paper, and hand dryers from the restrooms at restaurants but leave the toilets and urinals. Clean up can be the responsibility of employees and customers on their own time at their own places. This will not only cut back on regulation but also reduce costs for needless equipment and supplies.",
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"content": "Yep, looking for rodents, vermin, etc, who needs it?",
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"content": "Heck, we've known for years that rodent hair is *the* flavor enhancer of peanut butter and we buy and accept it sealed for freshness all the time. Why on earth should we want anything less when we eat out whether it's white tie and table cloth or fast food done sloppy?",
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"content": "He is a politician. The shit on his hands is never going to wash off anyway, so why bother?",
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"content": "So, ignore the bullshit explanations they give for this shit. No more employee hand washing in restaurants? Don't vaccinate your kids? Fewer mammograms? What is the GOP trying to do, thin their own herd?",
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"content": "Why even post the sign? After their customers are all dead, they'll go out of business: market forces at their most effective.",
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"content": "Senator Tillis needs to catch food poisoning or an E. coli infection from someplace that serves food or drinks. His opinion will change very quickly then. ",
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"content": "He does mention that businesses to chose not to force their employees to wash their hands would likely be the ones to go out of business. But then he goes on project shit out of his mouth by claiming regulations are a big problem in this country.",
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"content": "The filibuster rule needs to change it has pretty much broken the Senate. We've had 4 years of deadlock because of it. Sure we may enjoy it now that the right has power in the Senate. But think back at the prior 4 and how many things we could have done. ",
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"content": "While true, changing it now just means we have no way to stop the GOP.",
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"content": "Veto?",
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"content": "You presume we will keep the white house. If the white house and congress flip during the next presidency, what do we do then?\n\nI think the far easier solution is *stop letting republicans rule the nation* -then we can dump the filibuster and a lot of other things.",
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"content": "If the white house *and* congress flip (which is very unlikely), then the status quo continues with or without a change to the filibuster rule. Either way at the end of the day the filibuster rule encourages partisan gamesmanship and prevents Congress from legislating. Regardless of your political beliefs a dysfunctional legislative branch is bad for the country.",
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"content": ">If the white house and congress flip (which is very unlikely)\n\nIt happened under Bush and it happened under Obama. What makes it unlikely to happen again? I for one plan to drag people by their nut hairs to the polls next midterms to throw these republicans to the curb.",
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"content": "Blargh stupid reddit, twice I responded and it ate my response.\n\nThe tl;dr was I thought you meant a flip in 2016. And that even if the GOP collapse, a more right-wing party will just emerge in its place unless election law and legislature rules are reformed.",
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"content": "Alas, right now the new GOP congress has vowed to \"reform election legislation to ensure it is more fair.\"\n\nSo you know what that means from the party that shut down sunday and early voting and gutted the Voter Rights Act of 1965...",
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"content": "True enough. Election fairness is GOP code for disenfranchising voters who don't vote for them. It's why Texas isn't a swing state.",
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"content": "I'm tired of watching everything we won in the 60s and 70s being torn down by these greedy pigs. We need a new party. A truly progressive (not progressive for politics' sake) with some balls and a mouth.",
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"content": "No just no. Hell no. ",
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"content": "Budget resolutions cannot be filibustered. Any bill which has a statute dictating a set amount of hours for debate cannot be filibustered. The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 set the amount of hours for budget resolutions at 50 hours, after which a vote must be held.\n\nThe obvious plan is to let Democrats dither until the funding is up against the stops. Then pass it with a simple majority and let Obama veto the funding of DHS.",
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"content": "shut down the Department of Homeland Security? even accidentally, gets my vote.\n\nit'd be pretty entertaining if R dysfunction had major populist/anti-authoritarian results but w/out all that sticky, malodorous, republican pink slime residue left all over the place.",
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"content": "What a Koch Whore.\nYou can't get any lower, but he'll find a way.\n\nAnyway, Repubs in his state NOT going to get JOBS, NO WIND JOBS for You, because you're run by a COAL Moron, who doesn't car about You or Jobs.\n",
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"content": "Wind jobs? LMAO the biggest wind farm in the world built by a REPUBLICAN only employs 115 full time employees....LMAO !!!\n\nI would rather side with the Koch brothers than your little butt buddy Soros. Fucking soft handed parasitic liberal hypocrites. At least Republicans can feed their own children. Without our tax dollars liberal kids would starve.\n",
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"content": "This is what's left in the repub party. Sad. ",
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"content": "Better than parasitic democrats. Have fun in the grand New Detroit. (formally known as the US) Don't worry liberals are getting a fresh new batch of unvaccinated voters, and the best part is they are already on welfare !!! ;>",
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"content": "Your name says it all. It's dip shits like who always vote against your own interest. Go back in your tent you shmuck. ",
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"content": "LMAO !!! Way to dodge the facts bitch!! LMAO !!!! Do me a favor and slap your whore of a mother for giving yo ua heart that pumps piss through your veins.\nWatch out there is a fact behind you !!!!",
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"content": "Who told you you could take my dick out of your mouth and start talking? Slap it back in there you useless semen repository.",
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"content": "Oh no a card carrying member of the pink team just spewed a homophobic comment at me boo fucking hooo....LMAO",
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"content": "Funny, then, that Republican voting states are far larger net takers of federal tax dollars and welfare recipients...http://reason.com/archives/2011/07/14/the-redblue-paradox",
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"content": "I love it when people post that statistic...LMAO !!!! Those stats show where the BLACK PEOPLE live....LMAO !!!! Black people are 12% of the population and receive 37% of all welfare dollars.(compared to 38% being white). The reason those states vote lean republican is because not only are those black people too lazy too work they are too lazy to get off their ass and vote...I guess you are saying that more republicans are on welfare? LMAO!!! Thanks for proving my point. ;> The democratic party is full of 1%ers and welfare recipients. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''60-80% of welfare recipients are Democrats, while full time Workers are evenly divided between parties.\n\nYou have similar results in this recent NPR-Poll. Among the Long Term Unemployed, 72% of the two-party support goes to Democrats.\n\nKeep huffing the hopium and spouting hollow rhetoric !!!!\n \n",
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"content": "Your a monkey. Dance monkey.",
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"content": "I love watching bitch ass liberals run like cowards from FACTS...LMAO!!!",
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"content": "Yea you like watching my ass? I bet you do. Good girl",
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"content": "Wow homophobic insults from a flag waving member of the pink team like you? LMAO !!!\n",
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"content": "Didn't you notice the title of the article includes the word PARADOX? lol They use every socioeconomic factor EXCEPT race to try and explain it and cannot, because race is the variable they are breaking their self hating backs to ignore. LMAO !!! Your kool aid mustache is showing.",
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"content": "Um, the NUMBERS aren't changed by race or any other of the factors you want to pretend are important. \n\nThe bottom line is that Republican states take more federal tax dollars than they contribute and Democratic states are the ones supporting them, without whining like little bitches about it either. ",
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"content": "Um...More blacks mean more welfare....LMAO PLAIN AND SIMPLE !!!\nThat is why your post included the word PARADOX. LMAO !!!!\nYour trying to convince me that people on welfare are conservative Republicans....LMAO!!!!\n The housing projects are full of Romney supporters........BWAHAHAHA!",
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"content": "You really aren't very good at this are you? \n\nIf you were right then those states would be democratic states, therefore the blacks aren't the ones that mean more welfare.",
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"content": "Blacks are 8 times more likely to be on welfare and ALL those states have large cities chock FULL of black people. They are only 12% population and WAY less than that votes. I covered that in my first response , although your reading comprehension is obviously lower than I gave you credit for.\n\nThe article is also counting farm subsidies which is HILARIOUS.\n\nBlacks are 13.8% of the population and 39.8% of welfare (and growing) Meaning they are 4 times as likely to be on welfare than the MEDIAN population.\nWhites are 62.6% of the population and 38.3% of welfare(and falling) Meaning they are HALF as likely to be on welfare as the MEDIAN.\n\nWhen compared blacks are 8 times more likely to be on welfare than whites.....is any of this making sense to you,, or do you need pictures? LMAO",
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"content": "None of that changes the point that if there were that many blacks on welfare in those states, they would be democratic states. ",
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"content": "> The democratic party is full of 1%ers and welfare recipients. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''60-80% of welfare recipients are Democrats, while full time Workers are evenly divided between parties.\n> \n> \n> \n> You have similar results in this recent NPR-Poll. Among the Long Term Unemployed, 72% of the two-party support goes to Democrats.\n\nThe rich white democratic party has ALWAYS controlled the poor and black in this country, and it always will.\n\n:>",
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"content": "So, again, if those poor states were actually poor because they are full of poor blacks, they'd be democratic states not republican states. I am glad you agree with me. \n\nNow we are back to the question of why do the republican states all take more federal dollars than they pay in taxes?",
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"content": "Not full stupid, it is an EIGHT to one ratio.... ",
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"content": "Then they would be democratic states by an EIGHT TO ONE ratio, and they are not. So clearly, your \"reasoning\" is incorrect. \n\nWho's fault is it that you cannot math?",
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"content": "Large inner cities full of blacks are like cancers. They can bring down all but the richest states. If you notice Texas and California are the top two LEAST benefactors of the federal government. \n\nA medium sized state with a parasitic tumor full of inner city blacks is breaking even....if they have two or more they are fucked unless they are rich to begin with stupid.\n\nPLUS, blacks are too lazy to vote. So they BARELY count in elections but they count 8 to 1 in welfare dollars and counter productivity. \n\nYou are the idiot that said \"more blacks does not equal more welfare\" when everyone knows it does....8 to 1\n\nOr you are right and republicans are all on welfare......and somehow rich white people at the same time....LMAO !!!!\n\nPARADOX dumbass PARADOX",
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"content": "Ya, exposing your rabid racism is not going to change the fact that your math is STILL completely wrong. \n\nSorry. Please fail again. ",
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"content": "LMAO...republicans are all evil racist rich white people....who are on welfare. LMAO!!!",
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"content": "Still, I don't see you explaining how the math is wrong, or even that you understand it... \n\nIt looks a lot more like you are just another !right idiot spouting the same old lies that you have been told by fakes news and the !right wing hate talk machine. \n\nHere's a question for you, do you know that limbaugh and all of the pundits on fox are filthy rich? Not \"regular working man rich\" but \"filthy could not earn that much in 3 lifetimes\" rich? \n\nAnd they are the ones telling you that those OTHER people (the poor and the blacks) are the problem, and are the ones keeping YOU down.\n\nDid it ever occur to you, for even a moment, that perhaps they were lying to about those other people so they can stay rich and powerful?\n\nThere is SOME reason the math you have been taught SO OBVIOUSLY dosen't work. You really should try to think about why that is. \n\nYou have been shown the tip of the iceberg, what will you do with it?",
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"content": "It's only a paradox if you are so bigoted you won't acknowledge negatives about black people.\n\nIt's a paradox to idiots like you who whine about republicans being the party of the rich white people and then look at those stats. It is too complex for you to understand...to many integers. \n\nRich white Republicans....living in the ghetto on welfare.",
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"content": "No.\n\nPoor white Republicans....living in the ghetto on welfare, voting for republicans because they hate those poor blacks living in the other ghetto, with no more than they have, stealing from them. Why? because the !right wing and republicans told them to.\n\n\nAgain, your math is grade school and even then does not add up.",
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"content": "Poor white republicans?\nYou mean the middle class?\nLMAO!\nSure buddy blacks aren't 8 times more likely to be parasites sucking the government tit. Whatever makes you fell better.....",
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"content": "Math, explain it or admit failure. ",
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"content": "I already explained it fool.\nYou keep saying I am wrong and you are either too fucking lazy to explain where my math is wrong or you are stupid and wrong..... and you haven't posted ANY math yet sooooo..... 8 to 1 it is a fact dumbass.",
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"content": "No, pretending does not count. Sorry. ",
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"content": "P A R A D O X \nBecause they refuse to acknowledge the 8 to 1 ratio.....makes a HUGE difference.....LMAO but not to you.....\"more blacks does not equal more welfare\" THAT is why it is a paradox to liberals.\n\nI dare you to explain where my math is wrong? 8 to 1 is a FACT !!!\n\nAll these welfare recipients voting for the party trying to kick people off welfare......LMAO\n\n",
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"content": "No, pretending and multiple replies STILL do not count. ",
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"content": "\nI cut and pasted from the last time I explained it to your simple ass....\"Blacks are 13.8% of the population and 39.8% of welfare (and growing) Meaning they are 4 times as likely to be on welfare than the MEDIAN population. Whites are 62.6% of the population and 38.3% of welfare(and falling) Meaning they are HALF as likely to be on welfare as the MEDIAN.\n\nWhen compared blacks are 8 times more likely to be on welfare than whites.....is any of this making sense to you,, or do you need pictures? LMAO \" ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////\n 8 to 1 financial burden \nblacks 14% population 39%welfare 4 times median\n.............whites 64% population 38% welfare HALF median..............results in an 8 to 1 ratio........ It is 5th grade math dumb ass!!!!\n,,,,,,,,,,,,,You are NOT smarter than a 5th grader.....LMAO",
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"content": "None of that explains why those are republican states instead of democratic states. \n\nWhy does you 5th grade reasoning not understand that?",
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"content": "8 to 1 welfare burden and -18 to 1 voting DISADVANTAGE....large cities full of parasites... only the richest states can have more than ONE city full of leeches....\n People on welfare are NOT voting for republicans stupid.\n \nObama got 52% of the vote only 8% of that was black people.\nThe other 44% were the whites on welfare....that is the math dumbass. White middle class does NOT vote or lean democrat.\n\n\nYour explanation is hilarious....poor white welfare recipients are voting for the people who want to end welfare....LMAO!!! No ones buying it, except people that just want to write it off as a PARADOX...",
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"content": "You talk so much and say so little. If only you were able to look at reality. \nGO ask your filthy rich pundits again, I'm sure you will get an answer that comforts you, even if you can tell it is not the truth. ",
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"content": "Where is the fault in my math dumb ass?\nYou haven't cited a fact yet, because your position is explained as a PARADOX and you are willfully ignorant of the reason why...LMAO !!\n\nFilthy rich white people ....on welfare.\nHilarious.\nKeep sucking that government tit and blaming others for your failures plebe.",
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"content": "Apparently you are too dense to see it, Or more likely unable to answer it so you pretend it dosen't exist, that is what you and your ilk do best is pretend. \n\n",
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"content": "Reality is a section of the population that sit on their asses and feeds off the rest of the population, and they vote democrat regardless of skin color. That is reality, and only those liberal parasites believe differently.",
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"content": "So says the guy that gets all his knowledge from the rich guys at fakes news and the !right wing hate talk radio network. \n\n\nAnd just FYI, the welfare queens were a LIE the FIRST time Reagan lied about them, and welfare has been reformed so much that it is a train for work program, time limited and enrollment limited. \nThere are NO \"takers\" sitting back and living high on the hog on welfare, that is a fantasy made up by the rich to give you someone to hate while they fuck you in the ass and tell you why you like it. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "LMAO! I travel with work and do NOT watch t.v. Fake news? You mean like Brian Williams or the Hands up don't shoot lie you idiots keep whining about? The world is better off without useless black trash like Mike Brown. \n\nThose fat black hogs are in every large city sitting on their asses whining like monkeys when their kids get shot and killed for being thugs.\n\n\"Train for work program\"? LMAO\nSure buddy all the blacks in America are hard working crime and drug free angels.....LMAO!!!!\n\nAll the welfare reforms you are talking about were rolled back by the food stamp president. \nWhat is the limit on food stamp enrollment? .....there is NOT one.\nWhat is the limit on HUD housing?....there is NOT one.\n\nKeep huffing the hopium you lying parasite!!!\nObama is the food stamp president !!!!\nLMAO!!!!\n\n8 to 1 And the numbers prove it !!!!\nWelfare parasites sitting on their lazy asses biting the hand that feeds them.\n\nBlack children starve no matter where they are born in the world, because black men are the worst fathers on the Earth.\n\ntl;dr\nBlacks = welfare parasites !!!\n\n\n",
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"content": ">I travel with work and do NOT watch t.v.\n\nYa like fakes news is not on every single truck stop TV across the country and limbaugh is still available everywhere too...\n\nYou have been lied to so thoroughly that you even refuse to see for yourself whether or not it's a lie, and the scary part is that you seem to like being that ignorant. \n\nYes, remember Clinton and the welfare reform he and the republican congress passed? There is NO more welfare that lasts more than 9 months and you have to be attending a training program to get it and you cant re-apply for it for either two or three years. \nRolled back? No. They were not, only CONGRESS can \"roll back a law\". \nAnd as to food stamps, the republicans drove the country into a ditch, not letting people starve to death is the least we can do. No one is living large off of food stamps, the average food stamp allotment is $4.43 a day. Can you live high on the hog on on $4.43 a day?\n\nAnd you still believe that those lazy taking poors are the cause of all your problems, it never even occurs to you that the people telling you all that are filthy rich, and owned by people that are even richer. No those nice rich folks would never ever lie to you for their own benefit. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Are you kidding?\n98% of MSM is liberal bullshit.\nThe other two percent is propaganda the same way.\n\nWhen there is an 8 to 1 welfare ratio for a Certain group and it is denied by the MSM.\n\nWhen 6% of the population commits more than 60% of murders between 1975 and today and the MSM hides it.\n\nWhen the youth of a certain group create a growing epidemic of sadistic violence towards others for FUN and the MSM hides it.\n\nThe there is ZERO culpability in the media.\nOnly an idiot like you would believe ANY of it.\n\nKeep getting your PROGRAMMING from the IDIOT BOX !!!!\n\nI dared you to cite sources stupid......and you spout LIES.\n\n\nClinton's welfare reform was TERRIFIC it was one of the reasons he got my vote for his second term as well.\nBut you are LYING by touting it because Obama issued an executive order and got rid of it.\nhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-obama-has-gutted-welfore-reform/2012/09/06/885b0092-f835-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_story.html\nYou are right the only thing that can roll back a law is congress, unless you are Obama the tyrant.....LMAO!!!!\n\n\nBush was the worst president ever and if all you can do to defend Obama is compare him to Bush...lol we agree. Obama is the SECOND worst president ever.\nBy the way the economy sank because Bush refused to put controls on Fannie mae...and Obama also voted AGAINST it...lmao\n\nFuck living High on the hog they should work motherfucker WORK!!! If you are going to whine about not enough jobs....then why has Obama created more than ten million new citizens?\nBecause the blacks need people to work and pay for them that is why!!!!\n\nIt's not \"lazy poors\" it is life long violent welfare parasites who teach their kids it is ok to be a piece of shit and perpetuate the problem. \n\nhttp://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime\nhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/\nhttp://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf\n\nI have walked through neighborhoods in every state and eleven countries. The poorest people in America are among the richest 1% on the planet and they are the laziest,most violent,drug ridden filthy pieces of shit on the planet. They live in the land of milk and honey and whine like bitches and bite the hand that feeds them.\n\nEvery thing you are talking about has already been tried by democrats. How did it work out for the black folks and poor in Detroit? LMAO Fifty years of control and when they fucked it up....they ran away like bitches.\n\n8 to 1 and growing\nHispanics used to be at a 6 to 1 ratio...but we work...\nIt is 3 to 1 now and falling fast.\n\nOn an upnote all the newly legalized citizens Obama allowed in get @$24,000 this year back from their taxes when they file. My cousins are going to be PIMPIN' on their way to WORK.\n\n:>\n\n\n \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Enjoy your willful ignorance, troll. ",
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"content": "I posted facts and cited sources. YOU resorted to ethnic slurs first.\nand never cited a single source for your lies, might I add.\nEat shit parasite.\nedit: Nigger",
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"content": "You posted no facts, you links were not even vaguely related your assertions and you are the ONLY one throwing slurs around, mostly because you know you are wrong and being a flaming asshole is all you have to defend yourself with. Anyone can read the thread and see just how full of crap you are. \n\nGo take a leap off your bridge, troll. You need a bath. ",
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"content": "You started the slurs.\nI cited facts and proved the 8 to 1 ratio.\n You said \"boo hoo Clinton fixed the welfare\" LMAO\nObama destroyed that with EXECUTIVE ORDER you fool.\n\n http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-obama-has-gutted-welfore-reform/2012/09/06/885b0092-f835-11e1-8b93-c4f4ab1c8d13_story.html <----that is called citing a fact BITCH !!! LMAO!!!\n\nRich white evil Republicans....on welfare.\nLMAO !!!!8 to 1 \n\n\nAnyone can read the posts and see that YOU made personal attacks first and couldn't back your facts....lol\n\nThen I dare you prove me wrong and cite some facts...but I know you won't because niggers are too lazy.....LMAO!!!!\n",
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"content": "I dare you to cite proof that welfare is \"limited time\" and \"limited enrollment\" LMAO\n8 to 1 you soft handed self hating little dicked white boy.\n8 to 1 !!!!\nDon't worry wehn the Hispanics finally take this bitch over we are going to hold the blacks to a higher standard, no more soft racism of lowered expectations.",
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"content": "Wow, confront you with facts and you get all pissy and childlike, I guess you DO know you are being lied to.\n\nTell ya what trollio, you just take your dumb cracker ass to any state welfare website and read it for yourself, it's all there in black and white cause we both know that you are just going to deny anything I tell you. \nGo look for yourself, I DARE you!",
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"content": "All your \"facts\" are lies and I cited sources to prove it.\n\nI am still waiting on you to back up your lies about charter schools.\n\"they want teachers with ZERO qualifications\"\nCite sources or you are admitting to lying and changing the subject.\n\nWelfare for life dawg!!!! Represent yo' !!!!\nNumber one BLACK hits:\n\"its the first of tha month\"\n\"get yo EBT\"\n8 to 1 lazy ratio !!!!\n\nI cite sources and to prove you are full of shit and you basically try to debate on the trust system.\n\nYou are full of shit and I cited sources to back up all my facts and you quoted bullshit laws from the Clinton era that Obama nullified... and hollow rhetoric that isn't based in reality.\n\nCite a source for your lies or it is check mate nigger !!!\n8 to 1 niggers are lazier !!!\nBTW !!!!hillbilleeboy--->White Hispanic \n\nHave fun on your welfare website nigger. I'm going to the H and R Block to get PAID !!!!!\nLaughing my white ass to the BANK !!!\n\nLook bitch I dare ya !!!!\n\nhttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/\nhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/20/1279118/-Black-People-on-Welfare-Let-s-Not-Sugarcoat-It#\n\nThe second one was even written by a black lady.(not a nigger like you, you are a nigger regardless of skin color.)\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Enjoy your willful ignorance, troll. ",
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"content": "I love watching liberal idiots like you say things like \"blacks aren't the ones that mean more welfare.\" That shit is HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!\n\nBlacks are 8 times more likely than whites to be on welfare and 6 times more likely than latino's!!!!!!! LMAO!!!\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Again, if there were that many blacks on welfare in that state it would be a democratic state. ",
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"content": "That article is counting fucking farm subsidies as welfare...LMAO !!\n\nYou're right the ghettos are full of republicans, and blacks aren't more likely to be on welfare.........pFFFT BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!",
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"content": "Racist, stop take a breath and listen.\nRepublicans have allowed American business 33 MILLION jobs to China.\nRepubs are cutting school budgets in Republican states, so the low educational results will mean your state will Not be getting good high paying tech jobs.\n\nRepubs are now spending 4 Times More on Prisons then education, and those prisons are privatized, so their more expensive and you're paying someone in the 1%, which clearly your grammer shows, that's a subset you're not in. Not only that but now your tax dollars are paying a corporation a 20% profit to do the same work good high paying unions used to do. Now, they're cutting worker benefits and sending that money to a CEO.\n\nRepubs now pushing for \"Charter Schools\", but read the fine print. Those schools want teachers with NO Qualifications. That means POORly paid teachers, and poorly educated teachers. So, you're kids aren't going to be doing well.\n\nAlso, the Koch Bros politicians absolutely want to destroy your \"socialist\" Social Security. You voted for them, now you'd better watch \"liberal\" news to find out when this happens, because Fox isn't going to tell you.\n\nYou're Repubs have Rigged the Tax Code so that they can Horde more of your tax money, while you pay more, they pay less, and You will Absolutely Never Catch Up.\n\nAnd guess what, you're going to get NOTHING from Republican Policy. You will pay MORE in taxes and get LESS or NO government benefits.\n\nSo, your Racism is Destroying you.\nYou are your own CANCER.\n\nMaybe you should stop hating yourself, your poor education, your lack of opportunity, stop blaming the BLACKS, and get out of the gutter, and stop voting for the party that's laughing at you behind your back.\n",
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"content": "Ill take your argument point by point.\n\nDemocrats had California and Detroit in their control for more than forty years. MOST of the jobs you are complaining about left those areas because of inflated wages.(raise the minimum wage it will fix everything....sound familiar?)\nObama has brought in more H1 visa holders and given away more tech jobs than Clinton and both Bush's combined. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2879083/southern-california-edison-it-workers-beyond-furious-over-h-1b-replacements.html\n I dare you to name one democratic stronghold that isn't a cesspool of crime and poverty. The labor force participation rate is at record LOWS and food stamp enrollment at record HIGHS. Spin it all ya' want.\n\nAs for the private prisons, more of the private prisons in America are owned by Democrats and Obama has approved more private prison funding than Both Bush's and Clinton combined and also assigned a private prison owner as the administrator of the federal marshal service. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022568681 As for your pitiful assumptions at my profession or socioeconomic standing..LMAO I will be retired by 55 and I could give a fuck if you believe me or not. lol\n\nYour lies about charter schools are pitiful. Detroit spends eight times more on each student than Louisville and Louisville has eleven times better return on that investment. (better test scores and better graduation rates.) As for your bullshit about wanting ,\"teachers with no qualifications\" I challenge you to cite a source for this bullshit.\n\nSocial security is a ponzi scheme that is destined for failure. ESPECIALLY, considering the growing welfare state is eroding the work force that is paying in (record food stamps under Obama sound familiar) I actually like the Koch brothers a hell of a lot better than George Soros who funded the riots in Ferguson. Hand up don't shoot is a damn lie, that punk deserved what he got. If you think I am some fringe lunatic on this point then why are gun sales at all time highs? \n\nI like the fact that I paid less taxes under Bush and Clinton and my property taxes were low as well. You are mad because people like me get to keep our own money. \n\nI don't need the gubermint like you obviously do. I would rather them leave me alone and my money as well.\n\nRacism is an excuse to blame white people for shit that happened HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO while ignoring the violence and crime in black society TODAY.\n\nI graduated UK. I am doing better than the parasite who are whining about needing the gubermint...lol My family have been Republicans since we slaughtered democrats during the civil war and the parties have never changed.\n\nIf democrats really gave a shit about the poor and blacks the inner cities would be utopias....but they are cesspools of crime and violence.\n\nYou just made up facts and didn't cite a single source because everything you said was pulled directly from the PROGRAMMING you got from the IDIOT BOX.\n\nI don't have a t.v. LMAO!! Keep believing everything Brian Williams tells you on the MSM, you simple minded sheep.\n\nKeep watching your liberal news on the idiot box and huffing that hopium fool!!!!\n\nYou have made many ASSUMPTIONS because of your innate bigotry towards people not like you.\nI voted for Clinton TWICE and actually fucked up and voted for Obama's lying ass the first time.\nIf he wasn't a lying POS I would have voted for him again....but he is a lying shill and you are just enamored by his skin color.....because you are a racist. lol\n\n\n",
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"content": "A Koch monkey.",
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"content": "It's only a boodoggle if you aren't republican!\n\nBesides how else are they going to come up with \"science\" that \"proves\" that wind power is more dangerous than coal?",
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"content": "Go, Obama!",
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"content": ">The Catholic League's Bill Donohue called it \"an attempt to deflect guilt from Muslim madmen,\" and argued that Christian crusaders were merely defending themselves against hostile Muslim neighbors.\n\nYeah, those crazy Muslims just kept throwing themselves on crusader swords. It also doesn't explain the followers of Emich of Leisingen slaughtering Jews along the way. \n\nHey, Bill Donohue, you're a fucking moron. ",
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"content": "If Bill doesn't get in the news every few years, the donations dry up. ",
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"content": "George Bush also said \"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq\" - add it to the list. ",
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"content": "Conservatives hate truth and reject reality.\n\nAlso, aren't we ignoring the real issue, which is the unconsitutionality of the President participating in the National Prayer Breakfast?",
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"content": "> which is the unconsitutionality of the President participating in the National Prayer Breakfast?\n\nIt's not unconstitutional because it's not *required* of the President, no more than the President attending church is unconstitutional.",
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"content": "He's attending the Prayer Breakfast *as the President*, not as a private citizen. It is not at all the same thing as going to church.",
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"content": "What seems to be the problem?",
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"content": "There's a difference between *being* the president and *acting as* the president.",
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"content": ">Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof\n\nIt seems to me that prohibiting the President from participating in the National Prayer Breakfast would be unconstitutional.",
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"content": "Remember, if the republicans win the white house, they're getting rid of the department of education and public school so they can teach revisionist history and fake science. They like to pretend the crusades were wonderful and a noble fight against evil islam.",
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"content": "Why do you liberals stand up for a religion that is completely against your beliefs? They make women second class, murder gays, and want to kill anyone against them. Maybe we should round all of you up and send you to the middle east. I'm sure ISIS would sit down with you and have a lovely conversation before they chop your head off.",
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"content": ">Why do you liberals stand up for a religion that is completely against your beliefs?\n\nMy belief, as a liberal, is that in America *everyone* enjoys freedom of religion.\n\n>They make women second class\n\nSo do Christians.\n\n>want to kill anyone against them\n\nNow listen to yourself.\n\n>Maybe we should round all of you up and send you to the middle east.\n\nWho is it that wants to kill anyone against them?\n\nWe liberals stand up for the fact that the religion is separate from the extremists of those religions, same as Islam, same as Christianity, same as Judaism, and so on. You are illustrating how far we have strayed from our beliefs.",
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"content": "As a republican I'm pretty disappointed that oftentimes it seems like the only amendment the party is 100% behind is the 2nd. ",
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"content": "I disagree, the Republican Party is only 100% behind the 2nd as long as the gun owner is white.",
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"content": "Where have you seen legislation targeting only minority gun owners, or preventing minorities from becoming gun owners?",
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"content": "Anti-felon gun laws disproportionately effect minorities due to their much higher incarceration rates.\n\n[Not to mention that Gun Owners are 50% more likely to be racists than non Gun Owners.](http://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/study_white_racism_linked_with_opposition_to_gun_control_partner/)\n\n[And that the NRA and most gun rights advocates have a background in anti-Black racism.](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/09/adam-winkler-gun-fight-author-on-gun-control-s-racism.html)",
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"content": "My nigga",
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"content": "affect. It's affect. :D That higher incarceration rate also disproportinaly disenfranchises blacks. It offers American blacks a few other bennies as well. It's the American form of slavery, aincha heard?",
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"content": "Ugh I hate the affect versus effect thing. I've read over explanations so many times and still can't keep it straight.",
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"content": "Clue: Most of the time it's affect. :)",
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"content": "Only if it is a verb. IIRC, if it is a noun its usually effect.",
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"content": "I mean usually as in frequency of use. Most often in context and whatever, people would probably need affect.",
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"content": "I know what you mean. The old lie/lay thing drives me bonkers. I was just being silly. This is the internet, where someone has to be lol!",
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"content": "I just read this: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/style-and-usage/affect-effect-grammar.html\n\nAnd I'm still not 100% on if it is affect or effect in this case. lol\n\nBut the googles tell me the affect is more common than effect in this case.\n\nIt doesn't help that they sound the same in my Texan accent.",
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"content": "Verbs affect things. When the doctor slapped my ass as a baby, it affected me.\n\nNouns are effects. When the doctor slapped my ass as a baby, the effect was to make me cry.\n\nAs a journalist, I was always told taht if I didn't understand themeaning of a word to chose another way of saying it and see what the effect effect would be.\n\nWhen the doctor slapped my ass as a a baby, it hurt me. \n\nWhen the doctor slapped my ass as a baby the result was to make me cry.\n\nBut Lie lay, though, works differently. I think one lies down, but lays the spear on the ground.",
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"content": "Why is black incarceration higher? I'm sure it is because a bunch of innocent blacks are arrested for no reason. Maybe it is because they commit more crimes. It wouldn't have anything to do with gangbanging or selling drugs.",
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"content": "And here comes the racism. Thanks for showing your true colors!",
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"content": "For the record, I 100% disagree with felons losing their constitutional rights like gun ownership and voting, but no one forced those people to go and commit a felony. Also it's not like there are many Democrats pushing for felons with guns. \n\nYour first link doesn't really apply, it's not talking about gun ownership among minorities. \n\nThe second rightly points out how gun control is racist, but that was also before the extreme shift in leadership and positions (which the article slides in). I mean if you're judging institutions based on their past you should still be calling Democrats pro-slavery. ",
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"content": ">but no one forced those people to go and commit a felony\n\nAhh the old criminality is the fault of the impoverished excuse. They were forced by their situations. An ex-prostitute who served time cannot buy a gun even if she was a sex slave. A black kid caught with pot and sent to jail on a felony cannot own a gun even if his life was threatened by others to transport it. The point is not that felons *should* have guns, but that Republicans push for laws that criminalize minorities at a disproportionate rate and at the same time demonize the ex-felons they criminalized to advocate their proliferation of arms to white people.\n\nLook at the gun-show loophole. If Republicans were concerned about keeping guns out of felons hands they should have wanted it closed. They don't because it inconveniences the overwhelmingly white gun show visitors, including the mainly white gun owners who profit off the illegal guns trade which they supply.\n\nThe first link does apply. It shows the link between pro-gun forces and racism. Surely a pro-gun advocate who hates minorities doesn't care about their rights.\n\nThe second article notes that when past right-wingers were unable to keep guns out of minority hands they then switched to proliferation of guns in white hands.",
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"content": "The republican party is behind the 2nd because it gets them voters who don't realize that they're not upholding the constitution, they're desperately trying to hamstring it for profit.",
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"content": "How do Christians make women second class? Do they have to cover their face and serve the man hand and foot? When is the last time a Radical Christian beheaded someone in the name of God? Last time I checked muslims are allowed to worship. ",
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"content": "To be fair there are a large number of Christian sects that emphasize women's 'submission' to men. Women in these sects are educated as little as possible so they don't know anything better, are married off young, and then kept in the home.\n\nOrthodox Judaism is the same way. ",
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"content": ">When is the last time a Radical Christian beheaded someone in the name of God?\n\n[October](http://newsok.com/stillwater-man-killed-in-near-beheading-murder-charge-filed/article/5361825)",
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"content": ">How do Christians make women second class?\n\nFrom Family Life, [a christian organization, on a wife's duty](http://www.familylife.com/articles/topics/marriage/staying-married/wives/what-should-be-the-wifes-role-in-marriage#.VNUgFi4Y12A)\n\n>\"Submit\" to the leadership of your husband.\n\n>These Scriptures make it clear that a wife should submit voluntarily to her husband's sensitive and loving leadership. \n\n[GOP congressman’s book: ‘The wife is to voluntarily submit’ to her husband](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/01/22/gop-congressmans-book-the-wife-is-to-voluntarily-submit-to-her-husband/)\n\n[Submit!](http://executableoutlines.com/hf/hf_03.htm)\n\nDon't rebel, wives, pray to be more submissive!\n\n>Rebellion Breeds Rebellion\n\n>Many times women who claim to be submissive are only outwardly going through the motions of submission while inwardly they are still resenting their position in life. A prayer of submission would be in order: “Father, help me to be content in the role you created me for and give me a submissive spirit, not only toward my mate, but also toward each member in the body of Christ. Let me serve and not expect to be served. Create within me a lamb-like spirit even as Christ our Lord had. Amen.”\n\n[Above is from Bible Resources](http://bibleresources.org/duties-of-a-christian-wife/)\n>When is the last time a Radical Christian beheaded someone in the name of God?\n\nRadical Christians ran our government when we attacked the middle east. And check out the writing [on this tank](http://backspace.com/notes/images/new_testament.jpg). Yeah, christians are so peaceful, right? Was Bush a christian? He made torture legal. Is that peaceful? Sorry, no \"beheadings\" to show you, only bombings, torture and mayhem.\n\n>Last time I checked muslims are allowed to worship. \n\nLast time I checked, republican christians would love to see that change, even though it means destroying their own freedom of religion.",
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"content": ">no \"beheadings\" to show you\n\nI found him a beheading last year by a Christian because the other person was Muslim.\n\nhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/26/oklahoma-man-beheaded-former-co-worker-and-attacked-another-just-after-his-firing/",
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"content": "Oh how terrible he made it legal to waterboard the poor innocent scum. That is so violent.",
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"content": "Yes, torture is violent. Torture is unchristian",
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"content": "I swear you are so dumb you *must* be a moderate sockpuppet throwing softbals for us to knock out of the park. You can't *really* believe this shit you say, cause only an idiot could *really* say the things you say in full faith that it's true.",
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"content": "Do you think Christians are more dangerous than radical Islamists? Please explain your sympathy for the scum of the earth.. I guess radical Christians blew up the twin towers. Radical Christians are rising up everywhere and killing innocent people. We should close Guantanamo because the poor innocent terrorists are just misunderstood. We need to understand that it is our fault that they want to kill us. ",
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"content": "What, you can't read? /u/admnus answered you already. I dont have sympathy for radicals of any stripe. Christian, Musleman, Buddhist or Brahman: When you murder innocent civilians for power you deserve what you get when the rest of the world finally wakes up and acts to end you. I place the US and our homegrown Christian radical right (and much of the middle and left) on that list, seeing as we have murdered millions in the name of defending ourselves, destabilized the Middle East worse than it was, toppled numerous governments around the world (ever read the hostory of Guatemala? Or Cuba for that matter?) all in the name of lies, power, and selfishness. Fuck American exceptionalism, and fuck Christianity.\n\nWe're no peaches. We're as bad as the worst of them. And YES. We did drive them to attack us on 9/11, by arrogantly assuming that we could do whatever the fuck we wanted to do for fifty years in the Middle East, Central and South America, and Africa. The hens have indeed come home to roost, and even if we break ISIS, this ain't anywhere near the end of the beginning. It's only the end of round one of the beginning. There are eight more rounds to go, and we have never been stayers.",
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"content": "I guess it is ok when Obama uses drone strikes to kill terrorists and innocents.. ",
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"content": "There you go again, showing the strength of your delusions. Obama isn't really a progressive. He's just as radical and dangerous as W, or Cheney, in his own way.",
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"content": ">My belief, as a liberal, is that in America everyone enjoys freedom of religion.\n\nSo you approve of people, under \"Allah\", killing other people for the heck of it? Because their religion \"allows\" it?\n\nAnd as far as putting women in second class, the difference between how women are treated in a Christian house hold is white and black compared to a Muslim (ISIS) house hold. I mean, I just read a article that women (children really) are to marry at the age of 9. Now tell me how many Christians marry at the age of 9.\n\nI believe that, in America, people have the right to participate in any religion not my own without harassment. But when innocent people, no matter who you are, are being murdered in the name of said religion, then not only is it dangerous, it threatens the very being of society and it's infrastructure. And must be removed for the safety of everyone.\n\nAnd please do not misunderstand what I'm trying to say. But because I pointed out Muslims does not mean their are other religions that support the killing of citizens. These should be removed as well. And because I pointed out Muslims does not mean their aren't \"good\" Muslims as well. It just so happens that ISIS is working under the Muslim Label and it's easy to stereotype all Muslims into ISIS supporters.",
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"content": ">So you approve of people, under \"Allah\", killing other people for the heck of it? \n\nNo, are you an idiot? I don't approve of any extremists, from any religion. But that doesnt mean everyone else in that religion is an extremist...",
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"content": "And I quote myself:\n\n> And please do not misunderstand what I'm trying to say. But because I pointed out Muslims does not mean their are other religions that support the killing of citizens. These should be removed as well. And because I pointed out Muslims does not mean their aren't \"good\" Muslims as well. It just so happens that ISIS is working under the Muslim Label and it's easy to stereotype all Muslims into ISIS supporters.",
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"content": "Part of the problem here is that you aren't a very good writer of English and what you write is confusing. Part of the problem is that you are putting words into other's mouths. And part of the problem is that some of yrou ideas seem to be incredibly stupid.",
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"content": ">So you approve of people, under \"Allah\", killing other people for the heck of it? Because their religion \"allows\" it?\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism\n\n> I mean, I just read a article that women (children really) are to marry at the age of 9. Now tell me how many Christians marry at the age of 9.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-Day_Saints\n\n>But when innocent people, no matter who you are, are being murdered in the name of said religion, then not only is it dangerous, it threatens the very being of society and it's infrastructure. And must be removed for the safety of everyone.\n\nhttp://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/fbi-releases-hate-crime-statistics-and-the-results-will-probably-surprise-you/news/2013/11/27/79401\n\nOf the 7200 hate crimes reported in the US, 1340 were based on religion. Of those... “62.4 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-Jewish bias,” but only 9.1 percent were anti-Christian.\n\nSo tell me, should we remove Christianity from the US because \"innocent people, no matter who you are, are being murdered in the name of said religion, then not only is it dangerous, it threatens the very being of society and it's infrastructure. And must be removed for the safety of everyone.\"\n\n[As a bonus, here is a Christian minister advocating the murder of the President of the US.](http://samuel-warde.com/2014/11/christian-pastor-preaches-death-obama-calls-mother-whore-video/) and [here is a Christian Pastor advocating the killing of gays.](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/)",
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"content": "I'm not going to disagree with you, people have done hideous things under the name of God (and in this case, Jesus).\n\nBut this is stereotyping again. There are many denominations in the Christian church, Nazarene, Baptist, Presbyterian, ect. And they do not always agree with each other. I must admit I was not aware of the fundamentalist Church and their practices.\n\nAnd I'm not sure why you included the report about Jewish and Christian hate crimes. Just because someone hates Jewish does not mean they are going to hate another religion. \n\n",
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"content": "> But this is stereotyping again.\n\nExactly my point.\n\n>And I'm not sure why you included the report about Jewish and Christian hate crimes. Just because someone hates Jewish does not mean they are going to hate another religion.\n\nThe point of the report I was using was that Christian on other religion hate crimes take place in the US, which by your reasoning should be justification to purge Christianity.\n",
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"content": "don't feed the trolls\n",
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"content": "Don't know why you're getting down voted. They have negative comment karma and their name is fucking libtardslayer. Absolutely a troll.",
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"content": "Why do you conservatives not embrace a religion that is completely for your beliefs? They make women second class, murder gays, and want to kill anyone against them.",
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"content": "Lol that's what I believe. I can't comprhend your mindset. Do you recognize that their is a serious problem in the Muslim community? Thousands of Muslims want to murder everyone. Their is a serious problem with Islam. ",
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"content": "[I can't comprhend your mindset. Do you recognize that their is a serious problem in the Christian community? Thousands of Christians want to murder everyone. Their is a serious problem with Christianity.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism)\n\nNB: Grammar and spelling errors were included in [original comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/democrats/comments/2uzn5i/conservatives_completely_lose_their_sht_after/codeq3k).",
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"content": "I have never seen so many Islamonazi sympathizers in one spot!! It is frightening.",
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"content": "It must be hard hearing people slay your weakly constructed arguments based in the kind of fear that honest-to-god Nazis like to throw around.",
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"content": "It is hard for me to stomach people like you. You talk about crusades from years ago to call Christians horrible. Guess what Christians have evolved.. muslims have not.",
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"content": "I was talking about ongoing Christian violence in Africa and India. Where tens of thousands in of people have been slaughtered. I was talking about right wing Christian terrorism in the US today. I was talking about a Christian in Oklahoma four months ago beheading his coworker because the coworker converted to Islam. I'm talking about executions in Uganda for homosexuals. Pastors calling for all homosexuals to be killed now. I'm talking about gang rapes of lesbians by Christian men in South Africa. Evolved indeed.",
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"content": "Ok evil exists. What's your point? The islamonazis are a direct threat to the USA.",
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"content": "My point is the exact same things you are vomiting out of your mouth can be applied to radical Christians. And they are actually in the US subverting our way of life.\n\nIslam is nowhere as big as a threat as radical Christians, Libertaryans, Conservatives and Wall Street to the U.S. ",
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"content": "Hahaha you are a moron. You seriously feel more threatened by Christians? Move to the middle east then! Maybe I will see you get beheaded on video! How exactly have we subverted your way of life? Are you mad that conservatives want to take some of your social welfare away. Aww poor baby. ",
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"content": "Yes I am more threatened by radical Christians. I have never met a radical muslim extremist in the US and yet I've met \"Christian\" extremists who advocate armed insurrection and executing politicians. I've known LGBT people who have been attacked by \"Christians\". I've heard \"Christian\" pastors bemoan the equality of women and wish for days when they could exclude them legally.\n\nI'm not mad. I'm just standing up for equality and freedom against the right-wing forces who salivate at what Hitler tried to do and hope to replicate it in the US. I believe that all Americans have a right to live their lives without fear of morality police, domestic terrorists, and starvation.\n\nI guarantee I make significantly more money than you do and I'm happy to help the less fortunate through social programs that actually benefit society as a whole, reduce crime, and make democracy viable.",
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"content": "Wtf are you talking about man? Right wingers don't salivate at what Hitler did. Open your dumbass eyes and you will see they radical Islamists are doing exactly what hitler did. You are ill. You like paying high taxes? What do you do to make so much money? Btw if you live a liberal shit hole making 100k is like making 70k in a normal place. ",
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"content": "I don't pay high taxes because I live in the US. And if you are so keen on doxxing me I'm not going to help you. \n\n\nYes right wingers salivate at the idea of transforming this country into a regime like Hitler did. You have been doing it the whole thread just substitute Jewish for Islamic and it sounds like you could have been Goebels.",
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"content": "Please explain how we are like Hitler? The Islamic regimes are the ones murdering people who stand against them. Please explain. You just throw outrageous claims and I state facts. Fact- Radical islamists are murdering thousands of innocent people. Fact- They kill in the name of their religion and the Koran states to kill non believers. Fact- You try to paint conservatives as Nazis with no proof. Fact- The only way to stop evil is with force. Lefties are hell bent on sympathizing with the enemy and painting those who stand against evil as Nazis. You are no better than the radical Islamists. If you are not against it you may as well be for it. The differnce between me and a Nazi or Islamonazi... I won't chop your head off or burn you alive.",
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"content": "I've already shown you examples of all of the things you are saying. You should embrace your love of fascism instead of hiding behind euphemisms and code words for bigotry. People like you are the biggest threat America has ever faced. Nazis draped in the red white and blue using hate to try and reshape the country in their sick vision of oppression. ",
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"content": "You haven't shown any examples.. you just say we are Nazis. You are the biggest threat to America. Actually you aren't a threat you are a dumbass behind a keyboard. Reshape the country? Didn't obama vow to fundamentally change America?\n",
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"content": "Radical Christians incite genocide in Africa, behead people in the US, advocate mass murder of gays and non-believers, shoot up liberal Churches, bomb abortion clinics, shoot doctors and scientists, subvert democracy, want to codify biblical law, want to destroy freedom of religion, want to destroy freedom of speech, and want to destroy freedom of the press. That is a much bigger threat than ISIS which is no more than a few hundred uneducated farmers half a world away with a penchant for media whoring.\n\nThe threat of the right goes on and on. Radical Christians, their Neo-Confederate Libertarian allies and their Conservative enablers are a threat to this country unlike any we have ever seen.\n\nYou even use language that mirrors Nazi rhetoric. Look at your comments about Islam! Its the same things the Nazis said about Jews to justify genocide. What you say about liberals is the same thing Nazis said about Socialists and Communists. Why deny it? The Nazis have the same beliefs and goals as you, why be ashamed? Is there something wrong with the ideas of Nazism, the same ideas you have expressed, that makes you embarrassed to be one?\n\nOf course I'm not a threat, I'm a patriotic American, not a \"LibtardSlayer\" trying to subvert the country.",
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"content": "Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim. – Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter – Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat. – James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians. – Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter. – Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat – James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat. – Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist. – Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists. – Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters –families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists. – Bill Ayers, Weather Underground bomber – Leftist Democrat. – Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy… You probably hangout in front of the abortion clinic all day and jack off thinking about all the dead babies, sick fuck.",
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"content": "Seriously dude do you not hear yourself? You are a textbook Nazi. You use every tactic out of their playbook and advocate the same policies. Did you know the Nazis were anti-choice also? Tell me do you fantasize about gassing Muslims?\n\nOh well I'm bored with toying with you. Hopefully I won't see you in the papers after you go on a murder spree, I hope you seek treatment first.",
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"content": "Did I say I was antichoice? No I didn't think so. I'm just pointing out that Islam is the most anti choice religion. Yes im against killing babies. You shouldn't have the right murder innocent children. ",
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"content": "First of all, you shouldn't have the right to tell someone what to do with their body. It IS illegal to have an abortion after a certain period of the pregnancy. Before the fetus is even developed is when its legal. It's not murder.",
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"content": "Liberals usually support abortion up to 28 wks for any reason. Too bad your mom didn't abort you! Lol you wouldn't be on here spewing shit. Have you ever been a fetus? Lol and abortion is legal when it is a fetus in many states.",
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"content": ">Too bad your mom didn't abort you! Lol...\n\nWow... what is wrong with you?",
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"content": "This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.\n\n\n - [/r/ShitRedditSays] [&quot;Too bad your mom didn&#x27;t abort you!&quot;](http://np.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/2vqlgi/too_bad_your_mom_didnt_abort_you/)\n\n\n*^If ^you ^follow ^any ^of ^the ^above ^links, ^respect ^the ^rules ^of ^reddit ^and ^don't ^vote ^or ^comment. ^Questions? ^Abuse? [^Message ^me ^here.](http://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fmeta_bot_mailbag)*\n\n",
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"content": "I've been laughing at you for a while here but this comment is silly.\n\nNidal Hasan – No party affiliations in Texas, so not a \"registered Democrat\" \n\nAaron Alexis - [Not a liberal, made up by a conservative blogger.](https://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/another-hoax-suckering-conservatives-no-the-washington-navy-yard-shooter-was-not-identified-as-a-registered-democrat/)\n\n\nSeung-Hui Cho - Not a US citizen could not have been a registered at all\n\nJames Holmes – [None of those things were true. Were because Brietbart mistook him for a different James Holmes.](http://jaxairnews.jacksonville.com/news/premium-news/2013-03-14/story/fact-check-email-was-wrong-about-recent-mass-killers-being)\n\nAmy Bishop - Only places that mention her politics at all are far-right sites trying to smear democrats. \n\nAndrew J. Stack - Tea Partier\n\nJames J. Lee - Primitivist, a radical right-wing faction of Environmentalism\n\nJared Loughner - Was leftist until 2007, when he suddenly became a rabid right-winger and was inspired by Glenn Beck in his killings\n\nOhio bomb plot derps - supporters of right-wing extremist Islam\n\nHarris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters - Right-wing admires of Timothy McVeigh, stories of parents liberalism made up by conservative bloggers in recent years\n\nBill Ayers - Ok, you found one.\n\nLee Harvey Oswald - Had no known affiliations with American parties, instead had a history of mental illness including multiple incidents of self-harm, trouble with the law and more on. In fact according to the KGB: “Oswald looked very suspicious to the KGB and to the [Minsk] factory authorities because he was not interested in Marxism. He didn’t attend any Marxist classes. He didn’t read any Marxist literature and he didn’t attend even the labor union meetings. So the question was, what was he doing there?”\n",
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"content": "^The stupid is strong in this one.",
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"content": "Holy fuck. You're straight out of Drudge Report, aren't you? I didn't think you guys existed out in the rest of the internet.",
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"content": "Obama takes a jab at Christians at a religious conference. He's explicitly giving conservatives the finger, so yeah, they are calling him out on it. \n\nCompletely losing their shit is a bit of a stretch. Angry? yes. Self righteous? definitely. Surprised to the point of irrationality? not in the least. ",
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"content": "Obama *is* a christian. And he's saying something entirely factual. Christianity was indeed used to justify a multitude of horrors. The point is not to attack religion but to emphasize how important it is to ensure that it doesn't go down the wrong road, because it's very easy for a religion to do. He probably also wants to emphasize that it wasn't long ago that Christianity was practiced in a way very similar to ISIS's practice of Islam. Soaked in innocent blood.",
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"content": "God forbid he actually cite history to a bunch of assholes who have never studied anything in particular.\n\nChristians *did* burn blacks alive. You get that, right? That it's a matter of history and not opinion. And not really open to whether or not you want to feel \"offended\" by the truth.\n\nThe same way that Nazis are offended whenever someone brings up the Holocaust? You mean *that* kind of offended?\n\nBecause fuck people who are stupid enough to be offended because of being reminded of simple history and facts. \n\nFuck 'em. I think it's awesome and it's always easy to offend a group of assholes who refuse to acknowledge history and refuse to study it and learn it.",
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"content": "Please. Conservatives will lose their shit over whether deviled eggs should or shouldn't be garnished with paprika.",
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"content": "[I think calling them deviled alone would make them lose their shit.](http://www.aspicyperspective.com/2010/04/angel-eggs.html)",
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"content": "Some days I think Obama is trolling conservatives.",
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"content": "If I was Obama, then that is what I would do. Not much time left and can't run again. ",
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"content": "I agree with almost everything he says, but it would be better if he lived up to them by stopping his own terrorism around the globe as well. Withdrawing funding from Israel's military offensives, which killed over 1500 civilians over the summer. Halting drone assassinations abroad, which have also been shown to kill countless civilians and violate human rights.\n\nAgain, I don't have a problem with what he says. I have a problem with the fact that he isn't reflecting what he says with his actions.",
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"content": "Comparing something that happened from 1095 – 1291 with something in recent times makes no sense. It's a ridiculous comparison. I'm not a conservative or Republican. I'm a Christian Socialist who votes for the most liberal candidates. When Christians in this day and age run around beheading people, blowing them up and setting them on fire like Muslims do now THEN you can make that kind of comparison. ",
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"content": "They do. We had a Christian behead a Muslim co-worker in Oklahoma in October. We've had a number of radical Christian terrorist attacks in the US, usually they down play the radical Christian part. There have been genocides in Africa and targeted attacks in NE India by Christians against Muslims.\n\n[Oh and the last crusade was in 1456.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades#Crusades_of_the_14th_and_15th_centuries)",
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"content": "Nothing…*nothing* makes me happier than to see a bunch of religious right wing assholes get worked up. I love this shit.",
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"content": "She would be like a Rebirth of Politics in the USA ...\n\nCourage, Intelligence, Honesty and incorruptible drive.",
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"content": "I'd rather have a democrat who can win. \n\nAs much as I like Elizabeth Warren - we should have a blanket ban on running candidates from MA. They're always painted (unfairly) as elitist and too out of touch with mainstream America. ",
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"content": "How about you make post to r/Democrats in your own name and leave the the sock puppet in the drawer. ",
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"content": "Hillary is more of the elitist.",
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"content": "Hillary is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way\nDemocrat.",
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"content": "#####&#009;\n\n######&#009;\n\n####&#009;\n [**Third Way**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third%20Way): [](#sfw) \n\n---\n\n>In politics, the __Third Way__ is a position that tries to reconcile [right-wing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing) and [left-wing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing) politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies. The Third Way was created as a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various centre-left [progressive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism) movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the state; [economic interventionist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_interventionism) policies that had previously been popularized by [Keynesianism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesianism) and contrasted with the corresponding rise of popularity for [economic liberalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism) and the [New Right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Right). The Third Way is promoted by some [social democratic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy) and [social liberal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism) movements. \n\n>====\n\n>[**Image**](https://i.imgur.com/J4kTOLJ.jpg) [^(i)](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clinton_Blair.jpg) - *Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, adherents of the \"Third Way\".*\n\n---\n\n^Interesting: [^Third ^Way ^\\(political ^party)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_\\(political_party\\)) ^| [^Third ^Way ^\\(Israel)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_\\(Israel\\)) ^| [^Third ^Way ^\\(United ^Kingdom)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_\\(United_Kingdom\\)) \n\n^Parent ^commenter ^can [^toggle ^NSFW](/message/compose?to=autowikibot&subject=AutoWikibot NSFW toggle&message=%2Btoggle-nsfw+cog0dir) ^or[](#or) [^delete](/message/compose?to=autowikibot&subject=AutoWikibot Deletion&message=%2Bdelete+cog0dir)^. ^Will ^also ^delete ^on ^comment ^score ^of ^-1 ^or ^less. ^| [^(FAQs)](http://www.np.reddit.com/r/autowikibot/wiki/index) ^| [^Mods](http://www.np.reddit.com/r/autowikibot/comments/1x013o/for_moderators_switches_commands_and_css/) ^| [^Magic ^Words](http://www.np.reddit.com/r/autowikibot/comments/1ux484/ask_wikibot/)",
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"content": "I know. Not all Democrats are 100% the same though. There is a spectrum.",
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"content": "A wide spectrum. But I must of have missed the elitist wing please elaborate. \n\n>I Don't Belong To Any Organized Party: I'm A Democrat",
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"content": "Hillary is pro-fracking for one. Need I continue?",
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"content": "> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way\n\n",
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"content": "There's already a name for people who are socially liberal and economically conservative - Libertarians.",
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"content": "> Libertarian\n\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism",
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"content": "> people who are socially liberal and economically conservative\n\nThey are called moderate Republicans or Rockefeller republicans, ( or third way Democrats )although I can understand why you may not have known that, they are an endangered species and there are very few of them left. \n\n>Libertarian\n\nIs a different thing altogether. ",
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"content": "Wow! You're still pressing this.\n\nListen. I took U.S./world politics classes and U.S. history classes in college and got an A in all of them. I'm very comfortable with my understanding of the various political parties and political ideologies.\n\nThere is a huge spectrum of names for groups of people of various political ideologies and their associated parties.\n\nKeep talking all you want. I'm moving in a week across the country and need to go keep packing.\n\nThat's great you have an interest in politics. You also like to argue and so have you considered becoming lawyer? Hopefully, that suggestion will satisfy your appetite for acknowledgment.\n\nBest of luck to you.",
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"content": "Um....\n\nTimothy McVeigh?\n\nJoseph Kony?\n\nAnders Brehvik?\n\nRadical Buddhist mobs in Sri Lanka?\n\nEric Robert Rudolph?\n\nThe Troubles in Ireland and the UK?\n\nBaruch Goldstein?\n\nAnd that's just off the top of my head...\n\n",
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"content": "Don't forget about the Serbian massacre of Bosnian Muslims.",
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"content": "Christian militias are committing genocide against Muslims in The Central African Republic right now.",
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"content": "Klu Klux Klan... ",
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"content": "If you are going to use it get it right. Ku Klux Klan",
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"content": "Didn't mean to insult you and your friends.. ",
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"content": "Burn.",
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"content": "Didn't you hear? the KKK was actually democrats, and that is why even today, the KKK is mostly in the south, democrat central. \n",
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"content": "The South : The land of Ivy League schools and religious tolerance... ",
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"content": "The Rwandan Genocide? The Christian Hutu's massacred up to 1 million Tutsis.\n\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide",
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"content": "I am so glad that Fox News has decided to join the rest of us Atheist and admit that the Bible is a work of fiction. All of the murders, rapes and enslavement detailed in the Old Testament that were done in the name of the Christian and Jewish God clearly never happened. Thanks Fox for finally coming out!",
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"content": "Fox News: \"We're all idiots over here and pretend that our worthless opinions are more valuable than history and facts. We depend on ignorant hypocrites to make money and since we're in America, we make *billions*. \n\nOur business is fleecing idiots and brother, business is booming.\"",
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"content": "Under the leadership of megalomaniac billionaire Rupert Murdock whose media network fronted by Faux News leads the lies.",
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"content": "Yeah that whole Crusades thing never happened.",
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"content": "They've blown the dog whistle so much they've forgotten their roots.",
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"content": "I guess Fox didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition either.",
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"content": "In fairness, no one does.",
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"content": "Lol. K.",
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"content": "> Mentioning Christianity in the context of Islamic mass murderers is deeply offensive\n\nHey you know what's *actually* offensive?\n\nThis fucking bullshit. I really wish this man would get an aneurism and drop dead immediately- his presence on earth is a rolling disaster of good sense and the fact that Fox has given him a megaphone makes him even more toxic to our civilization.",
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"content": "http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/terrorism-other-religions.html\n\nThis historian estimates that as much as 100M people have been killed in either specific actions led by religious leaders, or wars and ethnic cleansing which were endorsed and encouraged by religious leaders. There certainly are some differences between Boko Horam and ISIS and when wars are enacted saying \"Our good endorses this and believes us to be just\" but its really a matter of nuance. And thats just in the last 100 years. Muslims? 2 million. 50 to 1 difference between muslim backed religious violence and non muslim backed violence.\n\n\"They're burning people alive!\"\n\nHas Eric Bolling never heard of the KKK and the violence they imposed on blacks in the 20th c? Reading accounts of how christian ministers here in the U.S. would speak about a recently hung black man and say that \"God made the white man superior to the black man\" and use the scriptures to justify what just happened is, to me, not really any different from what ISIS is doing. \n\nSMDH",
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"content": "That is deeply offensive of him to say.",
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"content": "That sounds like an underestimation.",
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"content": "Isn't he supposed to be dead soon?",
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"content": "He should go visit a kid sick with measles, let's see how much of a hoax then..",
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"content": "oh, I'm sure *he* is vaccinated.",
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"content": "I just came to say: of course he does. ",
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"content": "Glenn Beck sees calling measles oatbreak a \"hoax\" as a great way to boost ad revenue.",
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"content": "Glenn Beck must have vaxed wrong because he has Aspergers. ",
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"content": "Maybe I'm a terrible person for hoping he catches it, but I do.",
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"content": "He's most likely vaccinated.",
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"content": "Everyone else realizes 'hoax' is an outbreak with actual children dying\n",
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"content": "I'd say something mean about Glenn Beck but picking on the mentally ill isn't right.",
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"content": ">you see that the two cases came from 1) an Amish community and 2) a group of travelers who entered the U.S. from the Philippines. If you eliminate those two sources, there is no uptrend in measles.\n\nAssuming this is true, this is exactly why you want universal vaccination: so that one infected person entering the population can't create an outbreak.\n",
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"content": "Wonder who funds education in China and India. Do you think it's handled by the CEOs?",
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"content": "No where that I know of.",
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"content": "I'm assuming most of these people who are so anti education actually have a college degree or two. Are they so worried that the rest of us will be smart enough to see their bullshit? ",
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"content": "This guy was a PhD professor.",
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"content": "It just baffles me. ",
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"content": "Upon what rock did this buffoon get *his* education? I notice he wasn't satisfied with underfunded schools. Here again we have the elite telling everyone to stay away from education whilst hogging it down themselves.",
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"content": "This is the guy that beat Eric Cantor.",
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"content": "One to one education for every student? That would be awfully expensive. ",
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"content": "Great, now I miss Eric Cantor",
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"content": "True, but it was beautiful to watch him get that smirk wiped off his face.",
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"content": "This is also the age that they believed that the sun revolved around the earth. If we want people to be successful we'll invest in education ",
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"content": ">Yet as Kessler notes, while Paul studied English and biology at Baylor, he left the university after three years in 1984, before obtaining a bachelor’s degree in either field. Despite lacking an undergraduate degree, Paul went on to graduate from Duke’s medical school in 1988. A spokesman for the senator subsequently clarified that he does not, in fact, hold degrees in English and biology, as he’d claimed.",
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"content": "Wow, liar. Wow. How could you trust a liar? You can't. The Great Pretender",
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"content": "I'd like to know how he graduated from Duke medical school with no undergrad.",
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"content": "How did he even get in?",
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"content": "you do know who is dad is right?",
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"content": "Seriously. My friends who went to med school all had MSs, and still sweated their acceptance.",
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"content": "On wikipedia it says that Duke used to admit students without an undergrad degree. Im not sure how true that is though.",
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"content": "At least he's not a Yankee Ivy League frat boy pretending to be a religious fighter pilot from Texas. ",
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"content": "But his [son is!](http://totalfratmove.com/son-of-u-s-senator-rand-paul-arrested-in-charlotte-airport-for-pregaming-his-30-minute-flight/)",
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"content": "I also went to med school in 1984. Admission was extremely competitive, and I worked incredibly hard in college to get in. So did everyone I know that got admitted. If you didn't even have a degree, I can't see how a highly selective school like Duke didn't put your application into the \"maybe next time\" pile. I think this should be looked into more.",
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"content": "Duke is his father's Alma Mater.\n\nBut yes, i definitely think something is up there. If you're young and in school, and you apply for medical school, even if you killed the MCAT, they're still going to want you to finish your Bachelor. It doesn't make sense to me how a student can skip his Bachelor and get into medical school. ",
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"content": "You don't technically need a college degree to go to med school, even today. If you've taken the necessary classes, rocked the MCAT, and are a competitive applicant you could get in without having to finish undergrad. ",
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"content": "Did you forget who his daddy was?",
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"content": "In virtually any other career, lying about your credentials would result in your immediate dismissal.",
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"content": "He lied about being board certified also. He created his own fake Accreditation Board and gave himself a certificate, but that board is not recognized by the AMA.\n\nhttp://archive.courier-journal.com/article/20100614/NEWS0106/6140307",
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"content": "Are you referring to the \"We are Democrats\" at the top of the page? I had to enable custom styles to even see it, do most people leave custom styles enabled?",
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"content": "I think he may be referring to the pastel background with pink stars. It does seem like it would be good wallpaper for my two year old daughter, though I agree with OP that it's somewhat less suitable for this subreddit.",
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"content": "The pink stars on the light blue need to go for sure. They've been up there for years. And, they just don't work. ",
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"content": "I'm with you on this. I also don't really think Woodrow Wilson belongs in the banner due to his correlation with the film \"Birth of a Nation\". From an aesthetic standpoint though, the design is just awful.",
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"content": "We're open to suggestions. Have any?",
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"content": "My immediate thought was to include Jimmy Carter instead of Woodrow Wilson, but I see that's already been done on the much improved banner. ",
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"content": "Could we just put a huge donkey or pictures of Democratic presidents or something? It looks really tacky with the \"We are Democrats\" sign.\n\nEdit: Or nothing, the little donkey in the upper left is fine too.",
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"content": "We could go with the little donkey on the left side. But with what would you want to replace the powder pink & baby blue background? A solid color? Something else?",
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"content": "It just looks sort of crappy (cheap), but I am OK with the sentiment. Even though it's not always consistent with Dems ethos, taking pride in our success is something that isn't stated enough. ",
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"content": "Have any suggestions for what might capture the Dems better? (And Happy Cake Day.)",
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"content": "I am not graphic designer but the new one is cool - gives us a sense of the future and past. Thanks for keeping it real. ",
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"content": "Appreciate your feedback, iworkblue.",
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"content": "no problem brother/sister!.. my iworkblue is for dems and for my love of dark comedy... very intentional, no one notices... so thanks for noticing ",
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"content": "New banner looks really awesome",
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"content": "Glad you like it. ;) We're still open to ideas about how to go with it.",
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"content": "Working on it. ",
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"content": "Looks much better now.",
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"content": "I didn't have a hand in the new banner, but I am working on a new subreddit theme. ",
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"content": "Those same people are fine with Obama legislating with executive order. LMAO!!!",
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"content": "13,688 ex orders in 60 years, he has 200 of those. If the congress would work with the president he would not have to. Go find a single one that is bad for the people.",
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"content": "LMAO !!!\nObama said himself that, \"executive orders are a sign of a failed presidency ,and I will end the use of tyrannical executive orders\"\nand “The biggest problems we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power in to the executive branch, and not go through Congress at all,”\n\nLMAO !!!\n\nIt is o.k. we know you are just supporting him because of his skin color, and his promises don't matter to people who are obsessed with the cult of personality.\nKeep huffing the hopium !!!",
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"content": "I guess $2 a gallon gasoline, 450,000 monthly jobs, veto of any bill to mess with net neutrality. I guess my $100 insurance plan, and his $10.10 minimum wage, his bring jobs back to America campaign, 18,000+ NASDAQ stock market (record by the way) along with an increase in capital gains taxes and taxes on the wealthy could have nothing to do with it.\n\nEdit: forgot free college paid by the rich.\nBOOSH!",
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"content": "Food stamps at record highs, labor force participation rates at record lows.\nBlack society has the lowest net worth and highest unemployment EVER!!!\n\nYou are the typical parasite , you think that because the money was stolen from other peoples college savings it is free...LMAO !!\n\nThe food stamp president and his uneducated parasites!!!\n \nI guess you are so bad at math that you think that one year of $2 gasoline makes up for seven years of $4 gasoline...LMAO!!!\n\nMinimum wage promises are for losers like you who never got a real job.\nFood stamps, minimum wage and free stuff dawg !!!\nRepresent !!!\nLMAO!!!\n\nNow let's see if you have the balls to take credit for ISIS, record food stamp enrollment, wall street growing faster than ever while the middle class shrank, more debt than all the other presidents combined, least transparent government, and his war on journalism and whistle blowers.\n\nFood stamps dawg !!!! REPRESENT !!!\n\n",
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"content": "* Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.\n\n* Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.\n\n* Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.\n\nLMAO !!\nHis first executive order was used to seal his personal records and he said himself, \"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.\"\n\nThe food stamp president is also the least transparent...LMAO!!!\n",
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"content": "Wow you're dumb as fuck. They go in order 1-2-3-3 his first number was 13489 and his last was 13681.",
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"content": "10995 was JFK ignorant ass fuckin people like you are why Obama has a bad image get off the fuckin Fox News you moron.",
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"content": "\"executive orders are a sign of failed leadership\"\nBarack Obama.\nFood stamps dawg represent !!!\nIllegals who never paid a dime getting tax \"refunds\".\nPromise free stuff to parasites and the blind sheep will love you.\n\nFood stamps woop woop!!!\n",
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"content": "You realize social security would have collapsed in 2009 if it were not for illegals paying taxes.. And you realize that Obama allowing illegals to stay in the country means now the ones who were not paying taxes can. You realize bushes law on food stamps made tens of millions eligible when he collapsed the world economy in 2008. \n\n\nWhoop whoop...\nMaybe you should go look at his real ex orders because every president before him has twice as many even as high as 3400 executive orders. Maybe if republicans would stop blocking him from common sense laws he would not have to.\n\nGo find me an ex order obama signed that hurts anyone. They're all positive every last one.",
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"content": "We agree that Bush was the WORST president ever.\nIf the only way you can defend Obama is to compare him to Bush...then we also agree that Obama is the SECOND worst president ever.\n\nCommon sense laws? LMAO !!!\nYou mean like creating millions of new democratic voters and giving them \"refunds\" after his party had its ass handed to it during the mid-terms?LOL \n\nHis first executive order was to seal his personal records....\"\"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.\"\n\nHow was that positive? LMAO !!!\nHe brags he created ten million jobs during his presidency, then made ten million new citizens with executive orders.......How in the hell is that positive to anyone except democratic politicians?\nLMAO!!!\n\nFood stamps and record low labor force participation !!!\n\nKeep getting your PROGRAMMING from the IDIOT BOX !!!\nBrian Williams much?\nlol\n",
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"content": "Fastest and largest employment growth in the history of the country. Fastest and largest GDP growth in the history of the country. Oil dropped by 2/3. \nGo ahead and show me 1 fact that Obama is a bad president. I think you should actually fact check yourself because your obviously an idiot and learn your facts from Facebook memes.",
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"content": "Lowest labor force participation rate since 1977 and falling faster than ever.\nHighest welfare and food participation rates EVER, and climbing.\nWall street is growing (your stats prove it.)\nMiddle class is dying (my stats prove it)\n\nKeep cheering for your wall street tyrant in black face you racist...LMAO!!!!!\n\n",
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"content": "Your stats? Wtf your stats are fucking retarded you didn't list fucking facts. How about when Obama took office -500,000 jobs a month were created yeah that is a negative symbol I put there. 9% unemployment it's less than 6% and falling... We sit here with +450,000 jobs a month with over 250,000+ a months for 50 STRAIGHT months. \n\nFDR created 19,000,000 jobs\nBush sr created 2.5 million jobs\nClinton created 17,000,000 jobs\nBush he created 3,500,000 jobs\nObama created over 12,000,000 and is on track to create over 20,000,000 jobs\n\nYou keep saying this welfare and food stamp fiasco that our last president created but maybe you're to fucking ignorant to realize that it's republicans fault that minimum wage isn't $10.10. And its republicans fault Obama will have to executive order to have salaried workers who make less than a certain amount qualify for over time to boost the middle class. \n\nThe stock market? Fuck are you stupid as fuck or what? What was the stock market at when Obama took office $7,500ish? It's over 18,000. That's even with the increase on taxes for stock market traders. How's that for facts.\n\nYou can't jump in front of a speeding train and stop it because some redneck hick who learns facts from their toothless aunt who learned it from her toothless grandma who read it on a facebook meme thinks it can be done.",
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"content": "\"common sense\"\nYou mean creating more citizens than jobs while labor force participation is at record lows is \"common sense\".\n\nListening to liberals cheer about the \"free stuff\" they are getting shows who is fueling this country and who is feeding off of it.\n\nKeep sucking the government tit loser!!!\n\nFood stamps woop woop!!\nREPRESENT DAWG!!!",
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"content": "He didn't create citizens you moron he made it legal for illegals to work here if they have committed no crime other than being here illegal and pay they fucking taxes and learn English they don't even qualify for government assistance (food stamps etc..). Fuck you're stupid as hell. He's on track to create over 20,000,000 jobs in his presidency more than any other and 10x what bush and 5x what bush and his father combined. You're just too fucking stupid to even look up facts you fucking moron.\n\n\nWhoop whoop food stamps little kids can eat whoop a program created by bush whoop whoop... He didn't cancel the law because he feels everyone should eat whoop whoop. That's your entire argument that people can get fucking food and the fact the press was not able to get his birth certificate. You probably thought his records were his criminal past because you learned it on facebook but hospitals don't just give out your fuckin medical records.",
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"content": "\"no crime other than being here illegal\"\nBullshit. \nHe let lose murderers, drunk drivers and child molesters and everything in between. You are parroting MSM hollow rhetoric.\n\nFor the second time, I agree that Obama is the second worst president ever behind Bush2 and in front of Bush1....LMAO!!!\nNice attempt at a strawman argument though.\n\nMy point about food stamps is there are RECORD numbers of people on it, and growing faster than ever.\n\n\nAs for him hiding his college transcripts, and EVERYTHING else...I think Obama said it best himself...\"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.\"\n\nHe came out and whined about killing Trayvon Martin and then HE executed a 16 year old American citizen and his only explanation was, \"he should have had a more responsible father\"\n\nThe man you are defending has assassinated American Citizens, a 16 year old brown skin children without ANY evidence.......keep on huffing the hopium motherfucker!!!\n\nhttp://www.businessinsider.com/labor-force-participation-rate-september-2014-2014-10\n\nhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/feds-released-hundreds-immigrant-murderers-drunken/?page=all\n\nhttp://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/\n\nI dare you to cite a source for your bullshit 20 million jobs...LMAO even Obama says it is 11 mill....you are a fact starved fool.\nDid Brian Williams tell you obama created 20 million jobs?\n\nObama is giving illegals \"4 years of refunds\" ,food stamps and free health care. Because the middle class is sick of his lies so he needs new voters.\n\nKeep sucking that government tit leech...LMAO!!!\n",
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"content": "How about you go read the fucking law he wrote and not what you heard. Seriously. The law specifically says if you have been here for than 5 years and committed no fucking crimes. What the fuck are you talking about he's letting murderers come here and rape our kids and loaf on food stamps. Are you really that ignorant? \n\nFucking foodstamps? Who fucking gives a fucking shit if people can fucking eat. Big fucking deal my fucking mom applied for foodstamps her and her husband qualify for a combined total of $17 not fucking $5,000 a month like you obviously think.\n\n\nKilled an 16 year old american? Sorry when you flee the fucking country and join al Qaeda you don't get fucking american protection. I'm guessing you failed to actually read news about it the drone strike that killed him also killed a bunch of terrorists that he was fighting with. He wasn't just at some fucking flea market in Florida. Him and his father were terrorists.\n\n\nSealed his school records? The fucking dude was a senator you don't think this fucking shit would have came up waaaay before this.... Holy fuck you're like a brainwashed Muslim but it's more like you're a brainwashed redneck hick that literately believes everything racist grandma says.",
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"content": "So when you commit strong armed robbery you get your brains splattered across the street like a dog. Without a trial. Trayvon, Mike And their daddies were gang bangers....so.\n\nOh I forgot they were on food stamps so you are on the same team as those punks and Obama.\nFuck your momma, tell her to get a fucking job or starve.\n\nAs for your mothers \"man\", he is the typical liberal who cannot support his fucking family. Fucking leeches.\nI knew you were a product of low class parasites who whine about other people not giving them enough. I bet your mom is fat as hell and her \"man\" is a lazy whining bitch with soft hands and no work ethic.\nDon't worry I will go to work tomorrow so your lazy ass mother and her \"man\" can sit on their asses at home.....LMAO!!!\n\nBoooohooooo my mammy aint get enuff food stamps frum tha gubermint !!! boo hoooo Obama pleeeeez save me i ssoooo hungry !!!\n\nGet off the internet and get a JOB you fucking loser!!!!\nHello your mother out instead of whining about other people not doing it.\nIf your mother isn't worth YOU helping her out...then fuck her let her starve!!!\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "My step dad owns a construction company, when Bush tanked the economy the company tanked. Hes happily making $3000 a day right now that Obama fixed the economy and the construction industry is BOOMING. \n\nI also have an AWESOME job in the construction industry, thanks to Obama fixing the economy.\n\nWTF does Trayvon have to do with any of this.. You're fucking stupid. I don't feel bad for Trayvon he was a racist that got shot when he tried to beat someones head into a sidewalk.",
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"content": "Oh so your rich step father makes $3000 a day.....but they need food stamps..LMAO!!!\n\nYou made up numbers you couldn't cite sources for ...20 million jobs....LMAO !!!\nYou dodged FACTS labor force participation record LOWS and food stamps record HIGHS.\nThe said your momma was a welfare parasite and whined about how little she got with her\"man\" then said they were well off.....LMAO!!!\n\nI have genetically perfect teeth, good looking great job for 23 years, nice farm and great family.\nYour assumptions were bullshit.\nMy assumptions about you were spot on.\nYou are poor, poorly educated, you come from welfare parasites and you whine about needing more from the government, then you lie and say you are well off and not on welfare......LMAO!!!\n\nYou are the typical self hating little dicked white boy.\nYou effeminate liberals are all the same.\nSuck that tit and huff that hopium you food stamp fed leech!!!",
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"content": "Needed foodstamps when the economy collapsed in 2008, its not 2008 reality check buddy its 2015 and the construction industry is booming. They don't have foodstamps anymore.\n\nDodged what facts on the labor force? The fact that you showed me an article stating the labor force is shrinking because old people are retiring? Should Obama force old people to keep working?\n\nYou keep stating food stamps you fat fucking redneck who fucking gives a shit people qualify for fucking foodstamps and they never got off them.. Are you that fucking stupid that you hate a great president because of fucking foodstamps? Maybe you should fucking bitch at the Republicans who keep ordering hundreds of billions worth of military weapons that our fucking Generals keep screaming STOP FUCKING BUYING THIS SHIT!\n\nGood for you you're a fucking stuck up pretty boy. I don't give a fuck. I'm glad your family owns a great fucking farm. I'm glad you have a great job. I don't give a fuck because I'm 23 and had my highest gross income 2 years ago of $250,000 and I have 2 genetically perfect boys.\n\n",
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"content": "Bushes term 2 million homes a year were foreclosed. Obama.. less than 400,000",
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"content": "Under bush Oil price went up from $15 a barrel to $140. Obama from $140 to $50.",
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"content": "LMAO \nIt won't stay that way long without complete war in the Balkan states.\nYou are too stupid to realize WHY it is so low, or you would realize it would have to stay at $50 a barrel for a decade to make up for the 6 years at $100.\nEither way, it won't stay less than $75.....without war in the Balkans. Which will make it $150-200....he made a lose lose choice.\n\nI laugh every time you talk about Bush. When Bushy boy did it you whine like bitches when Obummer does the same bullshit...you cheer.\nIt is hilarious.You use different words for the same actions.\n\nBush-illegal wiretapping =Obama-enhanced surveillance////\nBush-war for oil=Obama-balkanization for oil////\nBush-corporate welfare= Obama social welfare///\n\nObama has the lowest percentage of the country working, and supporting themselves since 1978. That is a fact.\n\nBlack households net worth=lowest since 1972.\n\nKeep cheering wall street and the DOW while the middle class disappears fool.\nDon't worry your families welfare checks will keep coming.\n\n\n",
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"content": "War in the Balkans what the fuck. You're a moron. You can't compare corporate billionaires to poor citizens. The NSA is it hard to imagine someone is in support of it. The NSA stopped over 25 terror attacks two of them in the past 2 months. \n\nRead some facts I may be late on my replies me and my lady friend are about to watch a movie.",
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"content": "You support the food stamp president.\nFirst president to assassinate American citizens without trials.\nLowest percentage of working Americans EVER.\nHighest welfare participation EVER.\nCreated more job seekers than jobs.\nLeast transparent.\n2nd worst next to Bushy boy.\n\nYou whine about not getting enough welfare for your mommy and the man who took her from your genetically inferior father(small dicked as well maybe?).\nNow you brag about your miraculous rags to riches recovery under the food stamp president.\n\nAren't you the most effeminate soft handed little welfare prodigy the left has ever created? LMAO !!!!\n\n20 million....PHbbbbbTTTTT BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!\n18 million new welfare parasites !!!!\n10 million new jobs (his number) \n12 million newly legalized workers.........5th grade math=LMAO!!!!\n\nI cited facts and you made shit up...20 million my ASS !!!!!\nLMAO!!!!!\n\n\n",
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"content": "Under bush -500,000 jobs a month were created.\nUnder Obama almost 1,000,000 this year alone. Yeah its only February by the way.",
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"content": "Under Obama 9,000,000 who needed insurance who could not afford, or had pre existing conditions can now have medical care. It's helping the economy and saving the government money. Health insurance companies are making record profit, along with new businesses who create, and supply medical products.",
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"content": "Did you know that Obama's administration deports more illegals every year than any other president? And it would be more if when he asked the Republicans for more money for more border security they actually gave it to him.",
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"content": "20 million jobs\"??????LMAO!!!\n20 million new welfare parasites !!!!\n\nCite some sources bitch !!!\n\nThese sources prove you are FULL OF SHIT !!!\nLMAO!!\n\nhttp://www.businessinsider.com/labor-force-participation-rate-september-2014-2014-10\n\nhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/feds-released-hundreds-immigrant-murderers-drunken/?page=all\n\nhttp://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/\n\nIt is o.k. for Obama to assassinate 16 year old American citizens....\nbecause he is black.\nLMAO!!\nYou are a fucking bigot.\n",
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"content": "Yeah 20,000,000 jobs do the fucking math already over 12,000,000 and 2 years to go.\n\nJob participation down? Seriously read your own fucking source. \n\n\"America is aging, and the baby boomers are beginning to retire. That leads to a natural demographic decline in the participation rate.\"\n\nThe illegals being released was a fucking law created in 2001 says if their home country won't take them back they have to be released after 6 months it's in your fucking source.\n\n\n\n\nKilled a 16 year old terrorist. Don't even need to argue this.",
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"content": "Keep it civil or we take further action.",
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"content": "You are just a teensy bit late........",
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"content": "And you a teeny bit warned. Just letting you know. We welcome opposing opinions but you must keep it civil and actually contribute to the debate.",
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"content": "My point was the blatant hypocrisy of the democrats.\n\nWhen Obama is using drones to assassinate 16 year old American citizens without a trial or evidence , they don't bat an eye.\n\nThen a year later he comes out and condemns the killing of Trayvon Martin and everyone cheers. Even though he himself murdered a 16 year old brown skin kid based on suspicion....just like Zimmerman did.\n\nThe saddest part is the White House explained it by simply saying, \"he should have had a more responsible father\".\n\nIf someone said that Trayvon died because his father was a bad dad............the outrage would be endless.\n\nEither way this post was made a month ago, so my question is.....what brought it to your attention? \n\n",
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"content": "10.7 million new jobs.\nFACT.\n5.9 million million newly legalized immigrants through DREAM\nFACT\n6.2 million newly legalized immigrants through executive order.\nFACT\nThe 5th grade math for this problem tells us that ........\n12.1 million new jobs needed just for his newly bought voters.\n\nhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/20/fact-checking-the-2015-state-of-the-union-address\n\n20 million new jobs...LMAO!!!\n\nWhen Obama entered office in Jan. 2009, 31.9 million individuals received food stamp benefits. As of Mar. 2014 (the latest available data reported by the Department of Agriculture), 46,097,719 people received food stamps\n\n20 million new food stamp leeches !!!!\n\nYOU are a god damned liar AND a fucking fool !!!!\nProgramming from the Idiot box !!!!\n",
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"content": "5th grade math says 12 million jobs needed? You're fucking stupid only 5 million illegals qualify they already have fucking jobs you moron now they just get to pay taxes and learn English. They don't get a fucking citizenship they get taxed that's all. Now industry wages will go up because it's no longer \" I'll pay you this or you won't work\" it's i want fucking minimum wage bitch or you're getting called on.\n\nYou're still on this fucking foodstamp thing Obama didn't create foodstamps he just didn't take it away. Who fucking cares who uses foodstamps and the petty $16 people get. Fuck I think you're trolling no one can be this stupid.",
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"content": "LMAO you are stupid.\ndream act+executive action=12 million \nhe created 10.7 NOT 20 million you fool.\n\nMinimum wage?..LMAO!!\nHere's your minimum wage bitch now we gonna raise the prices...LMAO!!!!\n\nThe food stamp, teenage child assassinating president who creates citizens faster than he creates jobs....but heeeees black!!!\n\nUnless you can cite some sources for your bullshit ,you are admitting that I am correct.\n\n20 million jobs MY ASS !!!!\nLMAO!!!\n",
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"content": "... fuck you're dumb lets see..\nat continued growth 450,000 jobs a month... 24 months left 12 million created do some math with room for error. \n\nhttp://www.dpcc.senate.gov/?p=blog&id=172\n\nThe dream act? Are you fucking kidding me.. Yeah because some 2 year old whos parents brought him over here should be shipped back to the jungle of Guatemala now that hes 21... They're not Guatemalans anymore they're fucking American.\n\nhttp://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/05/13/arizona-state-university-valedictorian-undocumented-immigrant/\nhttp://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/30/11959331-almost-deported-valedictorian-daniela-pelaez-helps-introduce-immigration-reform-bill?lite\nhttp://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/07/nation/la-na-nn-florida-valedictorian-20120307\n\nThese are the types of kids this law is for. You're a fucking scumbag if you think kids who built their entire lives as Americans and didn't know they're not should be sent back to shitholes Maybe you should trade places because you're no use to America as ignorant as you are.\n\nNone of the people from the dream act and his immigration policy give citizenship. It allows them to not be deported.. They already have fucking jobs its not as if they're taking jobs. ",
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"content": "Keep sucking that government tit leech.\nYou and your lazy ass food stamp whore mother!!!\n\nWithout people like ME the government shuts down and pieces of shit like you starve.\nWithout people like you and your mother......I have more money in my pocket.......LMAO!!!\n\nSuck that tit and huff that hopium fool !!!",
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"content": "Yep sucking the government tit.. You're fucking stupid. You're to much of an idiot to actually be successful in life.",
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"content": "Within five minutes you wined like a bitch about your mommy not getting enough food stamps with her loser husband and then bragged about how well off you all are...LMAO!!!\n\nNo one is buying it, we all know you are a food stamp fed chubby fat loser.\n\nWe know you are sucking from the government tit, you just whined about not getting enough free stuff for your fat ass mother.\n",
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"content": "Yep imagine that. In just a few years of Obama becoming president my parents were able to get off their $17 a month food stamps, and rebuild my step fathers failing construction business that hes had since 2002 to a success.\n\nI don't live with my parents I moved out when I was 18 our finances are not mingled..",
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"content": "I can do this all night I don't really care.",
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"content": "Hey you remember the time where 5 out of 10 houses on the street were foreclosed? I don't.. that was like 6 years ago.",
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"content": "Remember when food stamps were at an all time high and skyrocketing? It is NOW !!\n\nRemember when there were fewer people working than anytime since the 70's?\nIt is NOW !!!\n\nKeep huffing the hopium you are as stupid and bigoted as a Bush follower.\n\nAt least we agree that the only way to make Obama sound good is to compare him to Bush.\n2nd worst..We agree.\n\np.s. (edit) your pathetic attempts at personal attacks are hilarious.\nI am neither white, nor ethnically Appalachian.\nNice to see you admit to being a self hating, little dicked, white boy, who is bigoted towards people who are different (or better off) than you...LMAO\n\n\nonly $17 a month boo hoooo\n",
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"content": "Actually all those are JFK... ",
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"content": "Obvious troll. Just ignore. ",
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"content": "I'm a proud man and did it. \nWhat would we have said, if somebody requests that we showed some female presidents too? Have there been any? \nSo these are all female democratic senators of today, not just some random politicians. They are explicitly the females and not some random senators. \nI think they deserve it at least for a while. \nOf course a qualified majority can always overthrow such decisions :)",
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"content": ">What would we have said, if somebody requests that we showed some female presidents too? Have there been any?\n\nI really, really don't understand the point you're trying to make here.\n\nI wasn't the biggest fan of the Presidential banner that preceded this banner. For one, it included Jackson but not Monroe, Madison and Jefferson, which from a historic standpoint left me scratching my head, but also included Presidents, who while Democrats during their period of history, stood for policies that rather staunchly oppose current mainstream Democrat platforms, Cleveland being a good example. \n\nThat banner was just a mess and I'm glad its been replaced, but I find this banner also rather odd. What's the difference between having binders full of qualified women and having a banner full of women Senators? Part of what makes the Democratic Party the party of inclusion is that it doesn't have to scream about it, but instead just allow the platform to speak for itself.\n\nI really don't think any group deserves to have established politicians of its demographic compose the banner more than any other group. It's rather deeming to all involved, both those who are excluded from the current banner, despite supplying ardent support to the issues that the particular demographic finds important, and to the demographic itself, which is receiving its time in the spot light for this, what, week? maybe month? One of the objections I have with this banner is the same objection I have for black history month. Should black people only get to have their history studied for one month? Women don't deserve to have their presence in the Democratic Party acknowledged for at least a while, only to then be glossed over. I believe you would be best serving the parties goal of inclusion if you made a banner that featured all the politicians that are doing good jobs pushing the party's platform forward regardless of what gender or race they are.",
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"content": "I took the list from [**wikipedia**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_political_affiliation#Democratic) to create that presidents banner. \nAccording to that list, the ones you named were Democratic-Republican, not pure Democratic.\n\n> The term Democratic-Republican Party is the name used primarily by modern political scientists for the first \"Republican Party\"\n\nAre you sure, you are democratic minded?",
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"content": "It is much more complex than that. The Democratic Republican Party was just as much the source of the modern day Democratic Party as it was the GOP. Throughout modern politics, Jefferson has been viewed as a Democratic icon more than a Republican icon. It was a Democratically controlled Congress that voted to construct the Jefferson Memorial during the 1930's as a response to the Republicans constructing the Lincoln Memorial when they controlled congress prior. ",
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"content": "Ok so just women for a while that is fine, but why just Senators? What about Democratic Governors and members of the House?\n\nAlso, while I (and maybe many subscribers) recognize these women, it wouldn't be the worst idea to add their names and state for people who may be visiting the sub. \n\nPS HRC is not a current Senator and until she announces she is just unemployed. \n\nPPS Yeah sorry, it should really include men - at least and especially the President.",
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"content": "Yes, the selection is: all incumbent women senators + Hillary. \nWhy do you think that at all times men must be included in the banner? Did you ever complain about women missing previously? \nIn times of google picture search I don't think we need to educate people about names. Who's really interested will be googling and finding out much more than we could tell here. \nAs of Governors and members of the House, why not? Go ahead, create banners as many as you like, submit them here in this sub as imgur-links and let the public decide what to favor, what not etc.\n",
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"content": "I don't think that at all times men should be included - I guess I'm saying that if the banner is going to be changing frequently nowadays female incumbent Senators is cool for a while. Then we could do all female house members or whatever as long as it changes. \n\nBut I really do think that the banner should just be prominent Democrats male and female. That is the beauty of our party - we have prominent elected women. \n\nAs for Hillary, I personally support her but until she becomes our nominee it might be a bit weird for this sub to endorse her in such a manner. \n\nI totally get the hesitation to do just Democratic Presidents because of the lack of gender diversity but I think any banner should probably include the President because he is the leader of our party. \n\nAs to the google picture search - honestly I think our job is to educate people. I'm a political organizer and it is hard enough to get my fellow Dems to actually show up and vote, let alone do a bunch of research. \n\nI guess I just foresee an influx of traffic to this subreddit as we draw nearer to the 2016 election and it would be nice to grow the community. \n\nHonestly I think you and the other mods generally do a great job and any banner update is a great improvement from the original one that was a bit cheesy. Keep up the good work!",
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"content": "> honestly I think our job is to educate people\n\nMy education as European living in Austria is not knowing faces and names by heart, but knowing how to find an information - if it interests me. \nA banner is an illustration, I like that it allows for ignorance as well. If the desire is big we may put the wiki-link in the sidebar that I just sent you previously. \nBut please note, that these are just my thoughts. Whenever somebody provides a new banner, maybe only a list of imgur-links to single pics that can be arranged as banner or at least a list of names as a proposition, I'm ready to do the tech-stuff. Final decisions should be democratic :)\n\nBasically all the CSS and graphics are up to discussion of course, at the moment you give more feedback than even the whole mod-team ;) \nSo you're discussing with the one that did it, and I did most things after thinking about them on my own, so beware that I have a lot of arguments why I did what I did. Also excuse that I am no native speaker and probably sound weird therefore occasionally.",
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"content": "Hey no problem- I wouldn't have even guessed you weren't a native speaker & I think it is cool you live in Austria and are so involved!\n\nI also actually think it is a cool idea to do themed banners and switch between them so female Senators is a good place to start.\n\nI'd be happy to throw together some ideas for themes like, Modern Dem Presidents, Current leadership, Candidates for 2016 (once they start declaring their intent to run), etc. \n\n",
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"content": "I'm a proud, corporate man who approves that if we could have months of nothing but men as the header of the group, we can have months of women to balance things out. My only complaint is some women get more graphic real-estate than others. Some photo size balancing is all that's really needed.",
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"content": "Old white men have been the banner for hundreds of years. It doesn't bother me that for the next couple of years white women will be the face of the party.",
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"content": "So what, after the next couple of years ends, we should just remember the period of time when Women led the party fondly? As Obama leaves the White House, are we supposed to say, gee wiz, that was really something, having a black man whose middle name was Hussain as the face of the Democratic Party. The point I'm getting at is that making banners like this, while largely good in intention, really ultimately marginalize the group their trying to honor, because the goal of real inclusion will not be achieved come the end of it.\n\nA better banner would be one that shows party leaders of all demographics, which would show that among old white men there are Blacks, Hispanics, Christians, Jews, Women, etc. all making the Democratic Party the party of cultural inclusion.",
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"content": "The energy is with the women atm, just like the energy was with Obama years ago. You can try faking it, and you'll end up like the Republicans, turning out token members who simply fade away as quickly as they're put up. \n\nIn a perfect world, yes, the party leaders would be from all parts of party. But guess what, we don't live in a perfect world. And certainly not in politics. How many minority or women are there in the senate? ",
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"content": "So when the energy that the women currently have fades we can just forget about them, just as you currently think we should be forgetting about blacks?\n\nI find your opinion repulsive to be completely honest. The fact that we should focus on what demographic is currently hot and push the others to the side is just stupid, I mean plainly stupid. For that matter, how do we even know which demographic is hot and which is not? I mean, considering all that's happening with immigration right now, I would argue that the Hispanics are the \"hot\" demographic, but that's only if the tragedies of this past summer and fall have truly faded and we don't care about Blacks anymore. What you want isn't real inclusion. What you want isn't much of a step up from the GOP. ",
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"content": "Nice job being an asshole. Where did i say we should be forgetting about blacks? Or pushing aside others? I simply said I don't have a problem with women getting attention at the moment, because the energy is with them.\n\nYou obviously want to read into things how you want to see them, no pointing in arguing with assholes like you.",
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"content": "How can I phrase this nicely... Haven't white men had their turn? What's wrong with just showing women for a little while? There are non-white women in the current banner, so forgive me for saying so but this post comes across as a little bit whiny that white men aren't up there. It's not that men aren't important in the party, just the opposite actually, but there's nothing wrong with celebrating women too.",
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"content": "I could have lied and said I was a woman, a black man, or gay. This is the internet after all, and you would have had no way to verify. I wanted to just get the fact that I'm a white man out of the way, so maybe people would focus on why I dislike this banner, instead of what demographic I'm in.\n\nLet's get one thing clear, there's a non-white woman in the current banner. You're incorrect in saying there are non-white women because that would mean that there's more than one.\n\nNow that's that aside, I'm not saying have a bunch of white men on the banner. I'm saying that the banner best shows that the Democratic Party is the party of inclusion if it doesn't ever focus on any particular demographic, but instead shows all of the party's leaders, which in turn will show how inclusive the party is.\n\nFurther, it's demeaning to groups when they're only given the spotlight for a brief period of time, like the women Senators are currently receiving. The mods right now are saying that our party is the party for women. But this banner is going to remain for what? a week? maybe a month? and then it's going to get switched to something else. What does that say? That the women had their turn?\n\nIn real inclusion, there are no turns, but instead a continual acknowledgement of diversity. \n\nedit: I don't ever want it to not be the women's turn, nor the black's, hispanic's, LGBT's, or White middle classes' turn. We're the party of inclusion and should constantly be working together.",
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"content": "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that by mentioning you were a white man you meant to use that as leverage against any other group. I don't think featuring women in the short term indicates that they will not continue to be featured in the future alongside other members of the party. Currently two of the leading Democratic politicians who are expected to run for President, and the political wind is currently blowing due XX in the party. Acknowledging this doesn't demean women anymore than featuring black leaders during black history month demeans blacks. ",
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"content": "For that matter I think it is very demeaning to feature black leaders during black history month. This whole concept of black history month is well intention, but really fulls short of what it's trying to achieve. It's more or less saying that for eleven months of the year, we shouldn't care about black history. Morgan Freeman puts it well, \"I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history.\"",
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"content": "I think it's more a 'make sure these people are recognized for their contributions to history' because if we're being honest, America is still pretty racist and some places will gloss over these people and their achievements because they're black. I'm female and I don't see this banner as saying 'oh look what a good job these ladies did, that's so good for someone without a penis!', more so that it's saying 'hey, these people tend to be marginalized and they deserve recognition'. ",
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"content": "I don't think this banner, nor black history month for that matter, was made out of poor intention. I think the intention was rather good, to acknowledge that the Democratic Party has some well established woman among its leaders. However, I think a better way to say acknowledge the marginalized people with the recognition they deserve is to do so constantly as a norm, as opposed to really emphasized over a short period of time. \n\nIn a way, things like this banner harm the demographic that they're trying to recognize. You could see how the conversation could be focuses on how great it is that there are so many sitting women senators, so much progress has been made, instead of focusing on the progress that still needs to be made. I can't tell you how often I hear people say that Blacks are equal in our society because they have an entire month devoted to their history. No, if anything, the need for that month helps to perpetuate the inequality.",
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"content": "I think the whole point of being a party of inclusion is not considering this an issue. You could just as well complain if it was a banner of white men or a banner of African-Americans or a banner purposely composed of your ideal multicolor beings. ",
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"content": "Are you saying you believe there are others within the party who would be more qualified or better candidates than Hillary or Elizabeth Warren, but aren't being put forward because of some current impulse within the party to promote only white women? Who in particular would you prefer?",
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"content": "You're pulling that way out of left field. I didn't say anything about how qualified anyone is to run for President, and I don't think that has any relevance to this discussion.",
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"content": "It's our turn now. ",
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"content": "And that's the problem. This isn't about turns, it's about inclusion.",
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"content": "Pretty sure it has been a work, or ol' Biden will stop by to give you pep talk and rub down policy the last seven years.",
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"content": "Okay, good.",
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"content": "No, Joe, it isn't good.\n",
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"content": "What is good?",
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"content": "Bbq",
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"content": "What is the meaning of life?",
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"content": "It's defined a little differently by each of us.",
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"content": "*pants heavily* D-don't make me do this...",
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"content": "I just aroused a bot! ",
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"content": "If you just asked me to marry you than I say yes!",
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"content": "Typical",
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"content": "Typical of what?",
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"content": "You",
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"content": "I told you I'm straight.",
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"content": "Congrats",
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"content": "Congratulations.",
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"content": "Sounds like a justification for our current banner here :)",
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"content": "Makes sense. Despite everything, it's probably still harder for women to be elected than men, so they have to constantly be \"proving their worth.\" I wonder if the same applies to minority senators.",
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"content": "Thanks Obama.",
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"content": "It's cool, don't thank me.",
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"content": "Who's paying the bill?",
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"content": "Working class Americans are footing the bill.",
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"content": "> Working class Americans are footing the bill.\n\nYou're dead wrong. Only those who earn more than $400K per year pay additional taxes to fund Obamacare.",
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"content": "Haha I make 70k my deductible tripled and my 25$ copay went away after 2008. Ha I wonder why?? Taxes are the highest on the middle class. I make that and barely bring home 50k. Fuck Obama. Hah my bad I dont even get to see that.",
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"content": "> my 25$ copay went away after 2008.\n\nSo you're blaming something on Obama that occurred even before Obamacare passed.\n\n>Taxes are the highest on the middle class. \n\nTaxes on the middle class are lower under Obama then they were under both Bushes and Reagan.",
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"content": "The company I work shows the before Dec 2008 insurance rates vs what I have to pay. I wonder what happend around that time? http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/ learn something. Reagan cut income tax for everyone.",
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"content": "> Reagan cut income tax for everyone.\n\nBut mostly for the rich.",
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"content": "... Yeah because Obama went back in time 2008 to change your fucking rates. Dumbass. Insurance rates have been going up every single year... Until the ACA. 19%... Every year. \n\nThe only people who can complain about their insurance costing so much money are those who make a fuck load of money. If you make $80,000 a year and you're crying your insurance cost $3000 a year, fuck you.\n\nP.S. There is a silver plan for under $22,000 income with an 850 deductible and 1300 max out of pocket. It's around $115 a month. If you claim you make this amount you can get this policy with subsidy. If you make $80,000 you get this policy but pay your subsidy back at the end of the year.",
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"content": "ACA kicked in after 2008 and the insurance offered at my job tripled in deductible and copay went away. Hence Obamacare fucked up the good insurance I had. I pay about 10 dollars less a pay period is the only good thing. Hah but when I hit my deductible and still have to foot 20% of the bill rather than just paying copay that 10$ cheaper doesn't mean shit. Fuck you! Yeah im whining about fuckers taking more of my hard earned money. I'm trying to retire comfortably one day. ",
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"content": "Oh noes... You have to pay 20% not 10% until you reach max out of pocket then it's 100% free... Boo whoo...",
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"content": "Who is going to pay for all the illegals you guys want to give rights to? Lol we already have millions of people not working and living on the big government dime. Why not add a few more million? Fuck Obama and all liberals.",
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"content": "They don't become citizens and don't get rights of citizens. They're already here and working dumbass what you think 5 million people are just loafing under a bridge.. The only difference is they won't get deported in exchange they pay taxes while they didn't used to.",
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"content": "> CA kicked in after 2008\n\nYou're complaining about pricing changes to an employer-provided plan in 2008. The Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) wasn't signed into law until March 23, 2010. Further, any ACA provisions affecting employer-provided plans didn't take effect until 2013.\n\n**You're blaming something on the ACA that occurred before the ACA even existed. You're complaining about the exact kind of industry abuses that led to the ACA's passage.**\n\nLooking at your account history, it's clear you're a troll and have no interest in actual facts; however, I've responded to your lies in the event you confused anyone who would like to know the truth.",
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"content": "Considering mankind’s indifference to freedom, their easy gullibility and their facile response to conditioning, one might very plausibly argue that collectivism is the political mode best suited to their disposition and their capacities. Under its regime the citizen, like the soldier, is relieved of the burden of initiative and is divested of all responsibility, save for doing as he is told.",
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"content": "Oh, bravo! What an arrogant potpourri of words you have there! Do they make you feel smugly superior to the average reader who would roll their eyes at your inflated, artificial self-importance? Word salad as an entree, with word soup as the main course!\n\nIf only you were as half as smart as you think you are.",
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"content": "> If only you were as half as smart as you think you are.\n\ndcbiker is a bot account of some kind. If you look at 99 percent of comments posted by the account, you'll see they're just cut and paste jobs from elsewhere on the net. This crap it posted above is from [here](https://books.google.com/books?id=4GYdCWa8efwC&pg=PA318&lpg=PA318&dq=%22their+easy+gullibility+and+their+facile+response+to+conditioning%22&source=bl&ots=z-4QCAA0ni&sig=Mcjyjk0XaLaoqxNJxu5I-gsKBZU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0WfpVPWIJIedgwS634LACg&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22their%20easy%20gullibility%20and%20their%20facile%20response%20to%20conditioning%22&f=false), a book published in 1964 (thanks Google): ",
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"content": "This ironically was the post directly above this one.\n\n>ISIS Burns 8000 Rare Books and Manuscripts in Mosul''\n\nAnd this was the top comment.\n\nehtehteht 491 points 5 hours ago \n\n>There's nothing stupid people hate more than knowledge.\n",
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"content": "Absolutely. If you look at what ISIS (or any hate group) does (outside of the deplorable violence), it's very similar to the shit you see from right wing groups and these anti-government, paranoid assholes.\n\nThese are people like Pat Robertson who can somehow justify stoning a woman using the bible, can justify burning books using the bible and can justify banning ANYTHING that helps education…all from using that one Bible. That's why they keep it so close . It gives them a free ticket to be hateful and full of bile and anger. It also allows them to justify hypocrisy.\n\nThe bible, to these people, is just a ticket to craziness. ",
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"content": "Did yo hear about the faith healing in Idaho? A dozen kids last year died from entirely preventable diseases because they prayed rather than taking them to a hospital for treatment. \n\nThis is a area ruled by republicans / conservatives, who claim to be pro-life. A bill is up to make it illegal to use faith healing for preventable diseases and they say it is an attack on religion. \n\nIf I was crazy, I would starve a child and claim faith healing as a method to heal the child, just to point out how freaking crazy this is. ",
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"content": "Majority Of Republican Primary Voters Want To Establish Christianity As A National Religion. \n\n>A national poll of Republican primary voters conducted by Public Policy Polling finds that 57 percent of these voters support “establishing Christianity as the national religion.” The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”\n\n>Only 30 percent of Republican voters believe that Congress should not make a law respecting an establishment of religion, according to the poll.\n\n>The same poll also finds that 74 percent of GOP primary voters have a favorable opinion of former President George W. Bush. Two-thirds (66%) do not believe in global warming, and a plurality (49%) do not believe in evolution.\n\nhttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/02/25/3626717/majority-republican-primary-voters-want-establish-christianity-national-religion/\n\n>Republicans propose declaring Idaho a 'Christian state'\n\nhttp://news.yahoo.com/republicans-propose-declaring-idaho-christian-state-233031805.html?bcmt=1424823729786-5baa0c91-7a41-43eb-8018-4a5647a2c195_0005eg000000000000000000000000-a3b03612-f96c-4e4c-8bcf-3e4f67c5c2cd&bcmt_s=u#mediacommentsugc_container",
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"content": "In related news, nearly half of Republicans are certifiable fucktards. ",
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"content": "I believe in evolution to an extent. I strongly believe that the majority of democrats blood lines have a direct link to apes. This explains the stupidity that is constantly spewed from you guys. Something can't come from nothing. Something had to be created for it to evolve. Who created it?",
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"content": "Read up on dark matter, things do come from nothing, and often. We don't know why, but it happens. \n\nBut what is more funny is that your defeated your own logic. Where did God Come from? As you said, something can't come from nothing. ",
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"content": "There is something greater than we can understand and its God.",
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"content": "If there is \"something greater\" that you can't understand, it's science. Go back to your troll cave, doofus.",
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"content": "Go back to the \" I have the biggest bible, gun and can't think for myself\" circle jerk at r/conservative .",
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"content": "Lol why so hostile? Think for myself? You guys let the government tell you what to think.",
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"content": "Considering you adhere to a superstition passed down by generations of itinerant goat herders in a desert a few thousand years ago, thinking for yourself is something you clearly do **not** do.",
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"content": "Your liberal fucktard brain thinks it knows everything. ",
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"content": "Everything? Hardly. Just a metric fuckton more than a troll like yourself. ",
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"content": "I bet your mind can't even understand or recognize islamic extremism. You think you understand evolution but you can't understand something right in front of you. Hey your family tree probably is directly from apes but mine isn't lol. Just like you probably believe that a politician can turn his global warming knob and save the world if you give him enough money. Haha if you burn your toast do you blame the toast? You probably do! Haha",
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"content": "I guess a poll based only on 316 people is enough for you to stereotype a diverse group of people with numbers in the multi-millions?",
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"content": "If you want to take a course in statistics, get back to me. In the meantime, evolution is undeniable... whether anyone \"believes\" it or not. \n\n",
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"content": "Surely you're enlightened enough by your own intelligence to spare me the time and explain why a poll of 316 isn't a cheap shot at a group of people measuring over 18+ million people.\n\nEdit: Mobile typo",
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"content": "Two reasons.... first, this isn't the first poll that shows that a majority of self-identified Republicans \"don't believe\" in evolution. There have been several. \n\nSecond, it doesn't fucking matter what you \"believe\"... science is NOT based on popular opinion. If you don't \"believe\" that the Earth revolves around the \nSun, you're a fucktard. If you don't \"believe\" in the germ theory of disease, you're a fucktard. If you don't \"believe\" in the energy/mass equivalence of special relativity, you're a fucktard. And if you don't \"believe\" in evolution, you **ARE** a fucktard.\n\n*edit* btw.. in English, the word is spelled c-h-e-A-p.",
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"content": "Hey man, I follow/\"believe\" in everything you just listed. I'm arguing here whether a relatively small sample group of 316 people can be implied on another 18+ million people. ",
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"content": "With the stated margin of error of 5.5, 316 should be exactly the required sample size for a population size of 18,000,000.\n\nDo you have a problem with the researchers' selected margin of error or just not understand statistical analysis?",
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"content": "Better number only 37 percent of Republicans believe in evolution ",
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"content": "Luckily, I'm in the 37%.... I guess. I hate my party.",
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"content": "how can they be honest with themselves. Or is it some kind of image fear they have?\n",
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"content": "That sounds incredibly wrong.\n\n>The poll was conducted among 316 Republican primary voters. \n\nOh. That isn't very big. Whats the demographic. Oh its not there? Pure clickbait. ",
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"content": "Someday statistics might be a good class for you to take.",
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"content": "hate to tell you this, but you only really need about 30 people to get a decent statistic. 316 is a nice sampling.\n\nYou could argue sampling bias, but that doesn't seem to be the case. ",
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"content": "Do Democrats do anything besides bash Republicans?",
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"content": "They keep the country from collapsing on itself. ",
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"content": "Says the idiot who constantly attempts to bash Democrats with submissions to this subreddit but only ever succeeds in making himself look stupid.",
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"content": "Do Republicans do anything but wallow in ignorance? No one is bashing, this is a poll and statement of fact. If you consider it bashing Republicans, then you must believe that these Republican views are ignorant. ",
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"content": "Maybe they have a better theory?",
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"content": "Goddidit, you commie!",
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"content": "or it's unknowable but people think about stuff",
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"content": "Do you seriously believe that the veracity of evolution is \"unknowable\"? I thought that you were mocking them, but you're one of them, aren't you?\n\nEdit: [Conservative moron status confirmed.](https://pay.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2wwv6u/democrats_want_to_add_right_to_vote_to_the/covcqqa)",
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"content": "One of who? I am a university graduate. I am one of those. I can change my rhetoric. \n\nI don't know what \"veracity\" means but I am aware of a phrase known as \"Group Think\".",
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"content": "> One of who?\n\nPeople who don't believe in evolution.\n\n>I am a university graduate.\n\nUnlikely since you believe the veracity of evolution is \"unknowable\".\n\n>I don't know what \"veracity\" means\n\nAnd you claim that you're a college graduate? Must have been one of those diploma mills that Republicans are so fond of.\n\n>I am aware of a phrase known as \"Group Think\".\n\nAnd you engage in it daily.\n\nAlso, going for being completely stupid to being completely stupid is not a change in rhetoric.",
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"content": "Bouchard, you have a tendency to engage in rhetoric with nomenclature that is foreign to myself, how do you feel about that?",
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"content": "Use a dictionary. Did they even teach you that much at your \"university\"? [Here, let me help.](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/veracity?s=t)\n\nWhy don't we go back to the topic of how you're a bloody idiot who thinks it's not possible to know if evolution is true? ",
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"content": "Would you settle for \"yet\" as in, it's not possible \"yet\", as all of the facts are not \"yet\" known?",
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"content": "I will accept that as an explicit admission of being total fucking moron, yes.",
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"content": "you debate infrequently , no?",
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"content": "You think there was some sort of debate to be had? Just because you spout anti-science bullshit does not mean you're engaging in a debate. By spouting stupid bullshit, you open yourself to being called out for it.",
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"content": "Science is what is learned from the end result of rigorously following this procedure :\n\n______\nThe scientific method is a way to ask and answer scientific questions by making observations and doing experiments. \n-The steps of the scientific method are to: \n-Ask a Question \n-Do Background Research \n-Construct a Hypothesis \n-Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment \n-Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion \n-Communicate Your Results \n\n*It is important for your experiment to be a fair test. A \"fair test\" occurs when you change only one factor (variable) and keep all other conditions the same.\n\n*While scientists study how nature works, engineers create new things, such as products, websites, environments, and experiences.\n\n*If your project involves creating or inventing something new, your project might better fit the steps of The Engineering Design Process. \n\n*If you are not sure if your project is a scientific or engineering project, you should read Comparing the Engineering Design Process and the Scientific Method.\n_____\n\nI don't think evolution and the theory of it has much to do with science.",
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"content": ">I don't think evolution and the theory of it has much to do with science.\n\nWe've already established that you're a moron. Why do you keep going on and on about it?\n",
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"content": "We didn't do that at all. You feel that way but WE have not agreed on any point whatsoever.",
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"content": "I didn't say that we *agreed* on it; I said that we established it. We established it when you said \"it's unknowable\". I'm aware that you're too stupid to realize how stupid everything you say is.\n\nMaybe instead of telling you that no one would ever call you stupid for spouting bullshit, your \"university\" should have educated you.",
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"content": "We are not talking to each other, we are pushing down on alpha numeric keys on a rectangle that is in front of us and sharing pictures with each other. just so you know.",
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"content": "I'm sorry, but you seem to be hallucinating. Nowhere was it implied that I thought we were actually talking to each orally rather than through reddit comments. Or is this just you still being stupid?",
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"content": "I can imagine if you have me down as in a different political party than yourself that I would seem stupid to you.",
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"content": "You seem stupid to everyone because you say stupid things. For example, you think there's no evidence for evolution and that its veracity is \"unknowable\". Your political party has no relevancy in the matter.\n",
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"content": "I never researched the topic deeply enough to have an opinion I would feel comfortable standing behind. It's never been a matter of extreme importance either way because I am fairly certain the answer does not affect my ability to pay my student loans.",
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"content": ">I never researched the topic deeply enough to have an opinion I would feel comfortable standing behind.\n\nYou say after standing behind your statement that there's no evidence for it.\n\n>It's never been a matter of extreme importance\n\nIt is important because you right wing idiots elect politicians who control education and *they* try interfere with the teaching of facts to children and instead indoctrinate them into a religion. \n\n>my student loans\n\nOh gods, you didn't actually borrow money so you could pay someone for your lack of an education, did you?",
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"content": "I did actually, I feel that listening to professors speak leads to higher fluency in one's native tongue. It was a lesson that I felt changed me as a person from having listened to as many professors speak as I have listened speak. I was changed as a person by my University Experience and I am still changing as a person because of it. I did actually borrow money from Sallie Mae and she has been repayed for what she lent me and now I am in the process of ensuring that the person that repaid Sallie Mae is being repayed and I have been lately training to begin tentatively speaking with businesses about their online presence to see if the market research goes to show that there is an interest in media for the online footprints of websites and to an extent event planning as well in the interest of generating the style of media that may very well work hand in hand with the content management systems that hypertext markup language marks up and that cascading style sheets style.",
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"content": "Gawd.",
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"content": "or god",
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"content": "Well, they're known as the racist *idiot* party for a reason.",
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"content": "Disturbing.\n",
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"content": "Outrageous.",
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"content": "We are one step closer the the movie Idiocracy coming true. I'd better stock up on my Brawndo. ",
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"content": "And Gatorade. It has electrolytes. ",
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"content": "It is what plants crave, brought to you by Carls Jr.",
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"content": "\"Let's keep 'em stupid!\"",
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"content": "Why trust the word of expert scientists when we can just pray instead? **^^^^^^^^/s**",
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"content": "Gobsmackingly stupid !",
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"content": "Do you want to be confirmed as the Stupid Party? 'Cause that's how you become confirmed as the Stupid Party.",
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"content": "The bill keeps lobbyist from being on the advisory board and requires all advice to be submitted into the federal register. It also stops a board member from speaking for the entire board.. ",
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"content": "I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that language is standard in a lot of bills. What's not common in most bills that want to make a positive difference, is language that prevents experts with significantly greater knowledge based on their PhD's to advise those creating laws (and have little or no knowledge in the laws potential effects) from providing input.\n\nTL;DR: Stupid is as stupid does. Preventing experts from providing input is stupid.",
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"content": "Individuals who are lobbyists with special interests. Funny how you guys bash republicans and their influences, but you are all for lobbyists who support your view. Lol in most cases these PhDs are more qualified as \"Post Hole Diggers\". Like special interests that stuff their pockets with cash by selling the global warming money grab scheme. How stupid do you have to be to actually believe that a politician and some scientists can turn the global warming switch off and save the planet? All they need is more money and power and poof no more climate change global warming whatever you wanna call the bs. Just find a way to tax carbon emissions and you will definetely save the planet hahaha. How about you guys focus on something that could save the planet, like stopping Iran from developing a nuke.. I wonder how much Warren Buffet has to do with blocking the keystone pipeline?? Hmm he just happens to own railways that that transport... Oil!! ",
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"content": "Keep trying, but you won't get a downvote from me.\n\nYou and your significantly warped opinion, which appears to have no ill effects from a brush with reality, are needed in r/conservative. Go there now, they're waiting.",
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"content": "Dude everything I said is very logical. Also what I said about the bill is the truth https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/1422. Lol you guys scream at the top of your lungs about special interests and republican policy but you attack a bill like this.. it really is hypocrisy at its finest. Just a bunch of liberal sheep.",
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"content": " Jim McGovern (D-MA) was more blunt, telling House Republicans on Tuesday: “I get it, you don’t like science. And you don’t like science that interferes with the interests of your corporate clients. But we need science to protect public health and the environment.” ",
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"content": "You must be talking about the science that said the polar ice caps should be melted a year or so ago. Maybe the science that said polar bears would diminish. Yeah dang hmm what happend there? Them damn humans living with all their carbon emissions are killing the planet.. solid science man. If you burn toast do you blame the toast or the toaster? Hah maybe you should study the sun and see whats going on with that. Maybe you dems and your PHDs should focus on the climate in your houses and offices because I guarantee that is the only climate you can control. Haha",
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"content": "Holy damn. I don't even need to comment. Tide goes in, tide goes out; you can't explain that. ",
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"content": "I have a great idea!!! Maybe we can send 5 dems at a time to study the sun! I wonder how long it would take to figure it all out? Haha. How is controlling the climate going for you? Damn I will be back.I gotta go adjust my thermostat. Maybe I will catch the elusive manbearpig on the way. ",
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"content": "TRIGGER WARNING:rational thought\n\nI hate to say it but it looks like the free market advocates are right. we are being subjected to a one party fascist government posing as a two party system is some grand Hagelian Dialectic.",
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"content": "Awww, you took intro to philosophy and are exercising your new vocabulary. I think you accidentally a word in your last sentence. Also, I thought I heard a black helicopter over your house.",
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"content": "had to look it up huh?",
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"content": "Net neutrality is fascistic?",
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"content": "Why did you say there would be rational thought when there was no rational thought involved in the pure bullshit you typed?",
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"content": "triggered you?",
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"content": "If I found rational thought \"triggering\", you would be incapable of upsetting me.",
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"content": "I hate to say it but you sound absolutely batshit insane.",
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"content": "[triggered](http://climateviewer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/wewantyou-300x300.jpg)",
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"content": "Net neutrality is a solution that won't work to a problem that doesn't exist.",
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"content": "ISP's aren't trying to prioritize internet traffic?\n\nHuh. You should probably go tell that to the ISP's.",
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"content": "you ever pay for priority mail?",
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"content": "You ever compare apples and oranges?",
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"content": "discrepancy without a difference.\n\nWhy wouldn't you just start an ISP with neutrality rules, you and all those that feel the same way could use them, you could even put it in your bylaws that State bureaucrats get to order you around.\n\nwhy allow big business to use the guns of the state to force their rules on everyone?",
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"content": "Priority mail doesn't make anyone else's mail slower. It just gives free tracking and if it fits it ships. \nFor a cheaper price than you would pay to standard ship it.\n\nObviously you've never post office.",
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"content": "Mail neutrality.",
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"content": "Major difference is if you pay $2.99 standard shipping for 5-7 days most of the time it's still 2-3 days.\nMajor difference is if you pay $60 a month for 40megbit a second you should get 40megs a second not what's left over after Google, eBay, Hulu, and Netflix get theirs.",
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"content": "You should start a ISP that doesn't do that.",
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"content": "Yeah I can now that it's illegal for Comcast to block me from it thanks to this ruling.",
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"content": "How could Comcast stop you before?",
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"content": "You ever see those signs that say something like \"this is being built here, public meeting this day\".\nThen the public gets to express their opinion on you ripping up roads, sidewalks, and their front yard. Then your city council make a vote deciding on the matter for the mayor to enact. Comcast bribes them or lobbied against you and now you can't compete. Happened before when some cities were trying to get 1gb speed in the early 2000s. Comcast sent fliers saying it will bankrupt the city to every citizen.",
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"content": "You're right. Time and again businesses use these State power centers to keep competition at bay and transfer the costs of the law of supply and demand. The solution is not regulation on a grander scale, those regulators will be exploited quicker than the small local ones.\n\nA more wise solution would be to strip the State of the ability to decide who does and does not enter the market. Let 1000 blossoms bloom as they say.\n\n",
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"content": "It's a solution to a problem that's in it's infancy. The netflix interconnection fee is a great example of the problem in reality. Comcast and the like could begin to block other competitors or even political opponents without crossing the law unless neutrality is passed. ",
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"content": "don't you think that would open up an opportunity for a competitor? \n\nwhy does a company with service you don't agree with justify the same companies using the State to grab control of the internet via regulatory capture?\n\nHow can you be for this bill if it's one of the 300 pagers that the public isn't allowed to see until after it is voted on?\n\n",
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"content": "yes just like you have competitors for your electricity, water and gas lol",
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"content": "Haha, right? Some people never learn.:)",
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"content": "A competitor in the same industry would likely have similar political backing or commercial interests. In this case, competition would not reliably solve the issue at hand. ",
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"content": "yeah, that's called regulatory capture. allowing the State to seize the kind of power that private firms seek to exploit is unwise. ",
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"content": "No. That's not what regulatory capture is. But could help be a catalyst for it. ",
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"content": "in lieu of complete deregulation allowing free market competition, the State ok'd a proposal aggitated for and written by the leaders of the industry they seek to regulate. The price fixing is simply a charade. Regulatory capture, signed-sealed-delivered.\n\nvery unwise in my opinion. ",
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"content": "Don't you ever worry that saying stupid nonsense will result in people calling you an idiot?\n\nThe government isn't \"grabbing control\" of the internet. It's telling the companies that sell internet service that the internet has to be treated just like telephone communications.\n\nThis isn't a \"bill\", it's an FCC ruling. The text of the law authorizing this decision has been available since it was passed in 1934. It's not a \"300 pager that the public isn't allowed to see\", which is something that your delusional mind made up.\n\nIdiot.",
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"content": "You shouldn't insult people, it opens you up to insults.\n\nGood point about it not being a bill, that's the good ol' regulatory capture way. I'll be more careful about confusing the terms on my side.\n\nThe proposal was around 300 pages and not available to the public before the vote. So I'm right on that.\n\n\n",
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"content": "You shouldn't spout the same bullshit that was just debunked, you lying moron.",
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"content": "i think it would be wise to work on you rhetoric.\n\nOnly a summary was released.\n\n",
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"content": "http://transition.fcc.gov/Reports/1934new.pdf\n\nFull text. What bullshit do you have now, asshole?",
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"content": "We are referring to two different things.\n\nYou just posted the 1934 communications act, the one the solidified the Ma Bell monopoly that predictably blew up and created the baby bells...which turned into the cable and telecom companies...that you advocate regulating with the 1934 communications act. Think about that.\n\nI was talking about the proposal that was voted on today. Approximately 300 pages, unreleased before the vote.\n\n",
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"content": "Look, idiot, if you're going to repeat the same bullshit lie that you guys were spouting while we were trying to get the ACA passed then you could at least have the common decency to stop repeating it after its been pointed out to you that you're full of shit.",
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"content": "[you should quit while i'm ahead](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l2O-JOXG_I)",
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"content": "http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/02/24/what-the-public-doesnt-get-to-see-about-the-net-neutrality-proposal/you sure about that idiot? The government has no business in the internet. You don't need to regulate the most free thing in the world. Guess who got to read the bill and request changes be made? Major companies with evil CEOs that you dems Constantly attack. How can the major companies and lobbyist see the bill but the public can't?? Drink the kool aid lefties.",
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"content": ">The government has no business in the internet. You don't need to regulate the most free thing in the world.\n\nSee, it's saying stupid crap like this that reveals you to have no bloody idea what you're talking about, fuckwit. ",
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"content": "The democrats are saying the bill passed in 1934 authorizes the net neutrality regulations. The net neutrality regulations are 300 some odd pages and where not released to the public. So for you to claim that you understand the regulations is false unless you are one of the lobbyist or congressmen who has seen the document. ",
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"content": "Spouting stupid bullshit you heard from Glen Beck and Alex Jones makes you look like a fucking moron, you fucking moron.",
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"content": "Please enlighten me then. Where can I read what was passed? Please show me. Oh wait you can't because it wasn't made public.",
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"content": "http://transition.fcc.gov/Reports/1934new.pdf",
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"content": "That document uses the word internet 10 times. This was the basis to pass net neutrality. http://www.savetheinternet.com/net-neutrality-what-you-need-know-now ",
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"content": "Look, it's not my fault that you're too stupid to type \"Net Neutrality\" into Wikipedia and instead believe the bullshit you hear from lying fuckwads like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.\n\nEveryone except right wing idiots knows what net neutrality is all about; it's a concept that's been discussed for more than a decade.\n\nIf you *weren't* a total moron, you'd know that the reason Verizon, Comcast, etc. are opposed to it is that they won't be able to charge more for reduced service, and they'll eventually have to expand the nation's broadband infrastructure.",
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"content": "The fact is that title two in the communications act was the basis for net neutrality. It is not word for word what was passed. You don't know what's in it because you haven't read it. I know these companies are against it but I also know that you havent or anyone else besides congress and companies got to read it before it was passed. You are taking the governments word for what it does. Why was it not made public http://www.savetheinternet.com/net-neutrality-what-you-need-know-now read this Link and pay close attention to the phrase net neutrality is based on the communications act. I don't care what else the article says because it is just ideology not exactly what it says.",
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"content": "The fact is that all they voted on was a decision to apply Title II of the Communcations Act of 1934 (as amended by the Telecommunications Act of 1996) to ISPs. You fucking moron.",
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"content": "So you are saying they voted to enforce something from 1996 and did not change anything at all? Drink the kool aid bitch \"While the public hasn't yet seen the full text of Wheeler’s proposal, early press reports and the chairman’s own comments look promising.\" This is straight from the article I posted. Everything you are spouting is just hearsay from what someone else said. You have not seen everything in the ruling.",
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"content": ">Drink the kool aid birch\n\nSays the credulous moron who listens to Alex Jones.\n\n",
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"content": "Why was it not made public?",
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"content": "Because you're a delusional fuckwit with no ability for evaluating the truth value of claims.",
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"content": "Why would I believe claims from these morons? If you like your plan you can keep it! Lie. Or blaming Benghazi on YouTube. You are a vulnerable fucktard",
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"content": "> Why would I believe claims from these morons?\n\nSays the ignorant conspiracy nut who believe all sorts of unfounded bullshit.\n\n>If you like your plan you can keep it! Lie. \n\nNot a lie you fucking moron.\n\n>Or blaming Benghazi on YouTube. \n\nYep, you're a moron.\n\nI bet you also think Al Gore said he invented the internet.",
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"content": "Wilson, North Carolina and the Electric Power Board (EPB) of Chattanooga, Tennessee both can now expand their municipal broadband.\n\n19 state governments that kissed ISP ass and made it hard for local governments to create their own broadband services just saw the wall torn down.\n\nNow we get **REAL** competition.",
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"content": "LOL…let the butthurt fill your soul! Your wealthy corporate overlords didn't win this time! Time to cry me a river.",
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"content": "I absolutely LOVE seeing the words, 'REPUBLICANS CONCEDE TO OBAMA.' \n\nSuck it, rich, white, old, male foot soldiers for corporations. \n\nNow bend down and give Obama the respect and admiration your fucking president *deserves*. Bunch of twats.",
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"content": "It should actually read: 'REPUBLICANS CONCEDE TO OBAMA, AGAIN' ",
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"content": "Wait.... \"for *willing* internet content providers\"?!",
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"content": "Yeah, but did the grouper survive much longer after getting stabbed in the mouth?",
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"content": "\"PPP surveyed 316 Republican primary voters from February 20th to 22nd. The margin of error for the survey is +/- 5.5%. This survey was conducted through automated telephone interviews and interviews over the internet to voters who don’t have landline phones.\"\n\nLet's add this too: \"PPP, a Democratic-leaning firm, surveyed 316 Republican primary voters from February 20-22. The margin of error was 5.5 percentage points. The survey also asked questions about potential primary candidates and the favorability of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.\"\n\n\nYea.... A whopping 180 people respond this way out of a likely carefully selected (considering the sample methods and the fact that the polling organizer is democratic leaning) survey sample of a mere 316 and we get people posting titles like you.\n\nJust calling you out considering you spammed this post in /r/republicans, /r/conservatives and here. Don't be a tool.\n",
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"content": "Thank you. Statistics in the media are way to manipulating.",
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"content": "Oh, pfft…the headline is accurate as is the story. Your point is that because an outfit might be 'democratic leaning' that they cannot manage a simple telephone poll?\n\nI mean this is the exact same method by which political parties determine if their candidate is winning or not.\n\nPlus, other polls that they've done are very, very consistent with larger, more substantial polls, particularly the poll about how many republicans believe in global warming. \n\nSo if these polls seem consistent with larger polls and the place is presenting accurate information (over half of the republicans polled *did* want to make Christianity the 'national religion) then your argument is what?\n\nThis isn't science. This isn't a scientific study. It's a simple poll. The same as other similar polls like this. \n\nAnd I found this part particularly interesting from an older poll they conducted:\n\n>\" In 2013, the company announced that about 13 percent of Americans believe Obama is the anti-Christ\"\n\nThat seems sadly and frighteningly in tune with other polls also. Anyway you cut this up, any way you want to dissect it or discredit it, the bottom line is that it's as accurate as information as you can gather from a simple polling scenario.",
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"content": "> The margin of error was 5.5 percentage points. \n\nThese are the people voting in the primary, so it doesn't take a lot to identify the group's behaviors as there aren't that many of them.\n\nExpanding that to indicate \"all Republicans\" is ridiculous, though.\n\nWhich highlights the problem with the Primary system: a radical sub group is narrowing the choices of the general public.\n\nWhat I've seen that I think is hilarious (this could easily be only the Seattle area):\n\nGoing to the Democratic caucus there were people actively campaigning and fighting hard to go to the next level (Hillary supporters were high energy 30-something females I suspect went to yoga right after the meeting concluded).\n\nWhen I go to the Republican caucus, they ask for a donation and everybody yells \"poll tax!\" and when it comes time to pick who goes to the next caucus level everybody leaves. The Republicans were a much older crowd (like 5 to 10 years post retirement and had to get back home for their oxygen; felt sorry for the lone Newt supporter) -- to be fair, I think a number of them bussed to the site and flat out could not get to the following caucuses (be at the county and state caucuses at 6am sharp on a Saturday morning! Yeah, a bus will work for that...).",
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"content": "As of yet, no one has been able to show me a source that PPP is \"Democratic leaning\", although I think most people (who bothered to check) agree the sample size is too small.",
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"content": "So, it's acceptable to say (per other comments here) that the article is true, but then ignore the fact the article itself states that it is? ",
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"content": "Yet they so fervently defend freeze peach and the second amendment.",
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"content": "I hear they do enjoy a cooled peach.",
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"content": "And, in other news, over half of Republicans have absolutely no real understanding of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution that they *claim* to respect so much.",
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"content": "Do we honestly not have a better source for this than a Russian state-run propaganda outlet?",
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"content": "Oh, I see, Fox News .... ",
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"content": "I'm not a Republican if that's what you're insinuating. My point is that you linked to Russia Today, a well known propaganda outlet for Putin. It's not a credible source and will do anything it can to portray America badly.",
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"content": "> Do we honestly not have a better source for this than a Russian state-run propaganda outlet?\n\nI agree. Russia Today is nothing more than Russia's version of Fox News. I avoid Russia Today for the same reasons I avoid Fox News. I don't want to get news from a biased site. ",
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"content": "The standard of proof in a criminal case is \"Beyond a reasonable doubt\". The standard of proof in a civil case is \"preponderance of the evidence\". \n\nWhat exactly does he want to change? ",
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"content": "Maybe you should try reading the article.",
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"content": "I did. And I watched the video. I saw Holder say he wanted to change the standard of proof, but nothing on what that actually meant. Which is why I commented. ",
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"content": "Yes, it would seem DOJ is still studying this, and Mr. Holder has not yet made specific, explicit recommendations.\n\nThe journalist speculates, based on known issues...\n\n\"...Possible changes include toughening hate-crimes laws, which were under consideration in the Martin case, and establishing a broader standard for what constitutes a “deprivation of rights under color of law,” the provision that could apply to the police shooting in Ferguson...\"\n\nAs I understand it, a Prosecutor does not have to meet trial standards of \"beyond reasonable doubt\" to bring charges...it's more like a \"preponderance\", or even \"sufficient\" evidence...to warrant charges, and a trial.\n\nTougher hate crime laws, and \"under color of law\" violations have been discussed for some time now, but Ima not wonky enough to know the gory legal details of that...although presumably it has a lot to do with discerning motive, or even attitude, which as Holder himself points out is...difficult.\n\nIt would seem a pattern of practice, and perhaps also stated world view of the suspects, might be factors worthy of consideration.\n\nI am inclined to agree that present practice, and...perspectives, of too many cops, and other violent offenders, often seems to go beyond the bounds of reason and logic, to ill effect.\n\n \n\n\n",
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"content": ">The journalist speculates, based on known issues...\n\nHolder is a lawyer. Coming from a lawyer, the phrase \"standard of proof\" has a very specific meaning, and none of the journalist's speculations address anything related to that meaning. \n\nExpanding hate crime provisions is one thing. Changing the standard of proof is something completely different. \n\n>As I understand it, a Prosecutor does not have to meet trial standards of \"beyond reasonable doubt\" to bring charges...it's more like a \"preponderance\", or even \"sufficient\" evidence...to warrant charges, and a trial.\n\nTrue, but there's a serious ethical issue when a prosecutor doesn't believe can meet the standard of proof at trial, but brings charges anyway. \n\n",
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"content": "So...you Also fail to define the present (presumably inadequate) \"standard of proof\", in regard to discriminatory \"hate\", or false \"color\", say. \n\nAlso, it would seem that a prosecutor must have some confidence in their case, but that there may always be some ambiguity as to what can be sufficiently \"proven\" to a jury at trial, in terms of what an \"average reasonable person\" might consider \"doubtful\", given testimony, new evidence that may emerge, etc.\n\nAre you a lawyer, familiar with these terms and practices, or are you just speculating your ownself?\n\nWould a pattern of practice, say, of numerous complaints of brutality...or a suspect's general tendency in \"free speech\" on Facebook, say, be legitimate basis for judging motive, or \"world-view\"?\n\nIf someone hangs out with racists, tends to say racist stuff, and also tends to speak or act abusively toward people of color, as a consistent pattern of practice, would that not be grounds to accuse them of racism, even if there's no tangible \"proof\" of what \"thoughts\" were actually squirming around in their brain, during a particular incident of abuse?\n\nWhere do we presently draw the line, in terms of \"freedom\" to be an abusive racist pig?\n\nAnd where Should we draw that line?\n\n",
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"content": ">He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. -- Thomas Paine\n\nYou need to remember that whatever power you give to prosecutors in the name of civil rights will be used against any future defendant, and not necessarily one you disagree with. If you're concerned about civil rights, you can't align yourself with either the prosecution or the defense. You have to put yourself in the shoes of a separate, unjustly-accused defendant also being investigated by the prosecutor. Whatever powers you give that prosecutor to go after the \"abusive racist pig\" will also be used against you. When you say \"Nah, Mr. Prosecutor, you don't have to actually believe in your case to take it to trial\", you're not just ensuring that the abusive racist pig gets dragged to court; you're saying that he gets to roll the dice with us as well. \n\nA prosecutor who believes - in good faith - he cannot meet the \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" standard should not bring a case to trial. Threatening to deprive someone of life, liberty, or property when you yourself believe you can't prove your case is completely unethical. We should not be promoting such behavior. We should be calling for such a prosecutor to be disbarred. \n\nThere are many civil rights beyond \"Equality of race\". I'm concerned that we're degrading one set of civil rights (right to due process) in a misguided attempt at protecting another set. ",
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"content": "Well, you extrapolate my position unjustly.\n\nIt’s not the prosecutor’s job to act as judge and jury, but merely to ensure that there is “sufficient” evidence to bring a case to trial.\n\nThe criteria for which seems to be what Mr. Holder is criticizing.\n\nWhich you again evade, with platitudes that ignore the stark reality that racism is running amok, brutalizing millions of people unjustly, with relative impunity.\n\nWhile there are other civil rights besides racial equality, the most important is the right to a fair trial, for Both the defendant And the complainant.\n\nThere’s nothing inherently misguided about adjusting the standards of proof to allow more aggressive prosecution of racism…but there’s a real problem with letting racist swine off the hook, on mere technicalities.\n\nI have to object to your seeming premise, that allowing racism to run amok is somehow less of a threat than resolutely rooting it out (in a principled manner, legally, by reason and logic, of course).\n\nAs to what the actual “standard of proof” presently is, or should be, you still contribute nothing.\n\nSome [background](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof), indicating that persuasion of the jury is the key, rather than \"absolute proof\", which is too nebulous and ephemeral a standard to ever be met.\n\n\"...The term \"burden of proof\" is used to mean two kinds of burdens: The burden of production and the burden of persuasion.\n\nThe burden of persuasion should not be confused with the evidential burden, or burden of production, or duty of producing evidence[5] which is an obligation that shifts between parties over the course of the hearing or trial. The evidential burden is the burden to adduce sufficient evidence to properly raise an issue at court.\n\nProof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that one would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of one's own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty. The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution is that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent unless and until proven guilty.\n\nBeyond the shadow of a doubt is the strictest standard of proof. It requires that there be no doubt as to the issue. Widely considered an impossible standard, a situation stemming from the nature of knowledge itself, it is valuable to mention only as a comment on the fact that evidence in a court never need (nor can) reach this level. This phrase, has, nonetheless, come to be associated with the law in popular culture...\"",
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"content": ">I have to object to your seeming premise, that allowing racism to run amok is somehow less of a threat than resolutely rooting it out\n\nMy premise is that it is better for 100 guilty men to go free than a single innocent person convicted. Any action you take against racism must abide by that principle. Changing the standard of proof from \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" to any lesser standard would violate that principle. Relieving a prosecutor of his ethical obligations to refuse a case he doesn't believe he can prove would also violate that principle. \n\n\n\n>While there are other civil rights besides racial equality, the most important is the right to a fair trial, for Both the defendant And the complainant.\n\nThe \"complainant\" (who I believe to mean \"the victim\") has no **right** to a criminal trial. You do not have the right to compel a prosecutor to bring me to court simply because you made a complaint about me. The prosecutor does not represent you as an individual victim. The prosecutor represents the collective interests of the people; the prosecutor represents the state. The state's interest in a case is in the violation of the law, not the damage done to the victim. If the state can't prove **beyond a reasonable doubt** that the defendant broke the law, the state has no interest in prosecuting the defendant. \n\nThe only person who has a **right** to a criminal trial is a defendant. \n\n\nYou do have the right to bring a case before a civil court. (Petition the government for redress of grievances) The families of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown are free to bring such a case. (Florida does have a limited immunity law. Martin's family can bring the civil case, but if they do not prevail at their trial, they will be statutorily obligated to pay Zimmerman's reasonable legal fees.) \n\n\n>There’s nothing inherently misguided about adjusting ~~the standards of proof~~ *the law* to allow more aggressive prosecution of racism…but there’s a real problem with letting racist swine off the hook, on mere technicalities.\n\nFTFY. There's no inherent problem with the law identifying specific behaviors and declaring these specific behaviors to be criminal acts. That's pretty much how the law works. But there is a HUGE problem with changing the standard of proof required to declare a person guilty of such a crime, and correspondingly, the standard of proof to bring a case to trial. Any standard short of \"beyond a reasonable doubt\" (Or, in the prosecutor's case, a good faith belief that the case can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt) would violate due process, presumption of innocence, and a whole mess of really good, really important laws. \"Proof beyond a reasonable doubt\" is not a \"mere technicality\".\n\n>As to what the actual “standard of proof” presently is, or should be, you still contribute nothing.\n\nI don't think you understand the concept of \"standard of proof\". I opened my arguments with the standards I'm talking about, and asked what exactly Holder was referring to, since he didn't actually mention any changes he wanted to make. Whatever those changes are, I'm somewhat confident they won't actually be related to standards of proof. If he actually is opening the standards of proof up for discussion, he'll be talking about a violation of rights infinitely more serious than NSA spying. ",
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"content": "You're confusing the required standards of proof to bring charges, which need only be sufficient, and those to find guilty of a criminal act, which require beyond a reasonable doubt...which is even then not really dependent on \"proving\" absolutely, so much as persuading the jury/judge, as to what an average reasonable person would consider to be true.\n\nIt's unreasonable for the prosecutor to have to prove beyond any reasonable doubt the defendant's guilt before they can even bring charges, or take it to trial.\n\nNSA spying is a deep subject, heh.\n\nWhen it's under the control of a \"Special Court\" of rightwing Republican judges hand picked by a rightwing Republican Supreme Court Justice, with no review or approval, that's \"serious\".\n\nUnder more optimal circumstances, NSA is not inherently a violation of rights.",
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"content": ">You're confusing the required standards of proof to bring charges, which need only be sufficient, and those to find guilty of a criminal act, which require beyond a reasonable doubt.\n\nNo, I'm certainly not. There is no argument that the federal government investigated Zimmerman on charges that Zimmerman violated Martin's civil rights. Charges were \"brought\" on the basis of \"sufficient\" evidence to justify the investigation. This is not at issue. Charges are already \"brought\" with nothing more than a reasonable suspicion. \n\nThe results of those investigations were then taken to a federal prosecutor who had to review the evidence and make a decision. This is what we're talking about. We're discussing what decision the prosecutor makes and why. In the case of Zimmerman, the prosecutor looked at the evidence and decided not to bring the case to trial. You and Holder seem to think that was an inappropriate decision. \n\nMy argument is that when the prosecutor looks at this evidence and concludes \"I cannot prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt\", the case should not be taken to trial. I contend that it's unethical for a prosecutor to take such a case to trial. \n\nYou seem to be saying something else. You seem to be saying that the prosecutor should go ahead and bring the weak case before a jury, despite believing it can't be won. You seem to be saying the prosecutor should go ahead and roll the dice on a trial, and maybe he'll get lucky. Watching Holder make his statement in the video, I believed that's what he was saying as well. \n\nI contend that a prosecutor simultaneously believing reasonable doubt exists *and* asking a jury to decide otherwise is incredibly unethical. I contend that \"rolling the dice\" is unacceptable; that the prosecutor should make this decision on his good-faith belief in the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. \n\nAside from the \"defendant's rights\" issue, there's the \"double jeopardy\" issue. A prosecutor who doesn't believe he can get a conviction shouldn't take the case to court until he is confident, lest jeopardy attach. Once the defendant is acquitted, it doesn't matter how much evidence comes to light, he can't be charged again. ",
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"content": "In your subjective overzealous support for “gun rights”, you are twisting reality, to present contrived disingenuous arguments for your position.\n\nAs I understand it, from digging deeper into these issues I find that to bring charges, and be confident of a reasonable prospect for conviction (all that is required), a federal prosecutor is required by present law and established standards to absolutely prove racist motivation during the act, up front…which is a higher standard than properly required for a prosecutor to bring charges normally.\n\nThis means that unless the perpetrator explicitly expresses their racism in the course of the crime, by uttering racist epithets during the event, carving swastikkas on the victim, or telling others that they acted out of racist animus, the prosecutor cannot bring racism charges. \n\nTHAT is why federal prosecutors were not able to bring such charges in the incidents exampled…NOT because they had a “weak case”, but because they couldn’t meet the unreasonably high standard of proof.\n\nSince this more is a matter of civil rights, rather than of otherwise criminal intent, the standards should be more along the lines of proof required for a civil case…namely, that if it can be shown convincingly (e.g. statistically, or by peripheral actions, including speech) to the jury that the person is a freakin’ racist, due to a consistent pattern of racist practice, then it is proper and just to assert that they were motivated by racism, even if there is no material way to “prove” exactly what they were thinking when they actually committed the offending act.\n\nAlso, I object to your premise that it’s “better for 100 guilty racist pigs to go free than for a single innocent person to be convicted”. \n\nRacist pigs have for too long been let off the hook on such “grounds”, meaning in reality that for every 100 victims of racism, we are lucky to get one conviction, in practice.\n\nFk that noise, yo. This shit has got to stop, and it has to be done in a manner that will cause racist pigs to think twice, and then some, before they ever say or do racist shit, ever again, knowing that they will be held strictly accountable, and severely punished for it, seven ways from Sunday.\n\nRacists, like sexists, Should have to watch their filthy mouths, and keep their hands to themselves, and cannot be allowed to otherwise violate the civil rights of others with impunity, from now on.\n\nAs a white male who is neither racist nor sexist, I am not afraid of being unjustly accused, nor do I consider that remote and unlikely potential too high a risk for eradicating racist and sexist practices from our society. \n\nPeople of color, and women, have too long borne the brunt of such “cautions”, which have only served to perpetuate the much greater injustices of a pervasively racist, sexist society.",
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"content": ">Since this more is a matter of civil rights, rather than of otherwise criminal intent, the standards should be more along the lines of proof required for a civil case\n\nWhoa. No, this is **not** a civil case. This has no resemblance to a civil case. The government does NOT represent victims of a civil rights violation; the government's interest in the Zimmerman case was allegations of broken federal laws. This was a criminal case, wherein the defendant would have been put in jeopardy of liberty as well as property. He could have been locked up in prison, not just had his stuff taken. \n\nYou'd have a point if this was the end of the Martin/Zimmerman case, but it's not: The family can still bring an actual civil suit. \n\n>As a white male who is neither racist nor sexist, I am not afraid of being unjustly accused\n\nReally. You're unjustly accusing Zimmerman if a hate crime, and you're willing to tear apart the very foundation of our system of jurisprudence to convict him. What happens when someone as zealous as you decides to do the same thing to you? You don't get to assume it will never happen. To protect the rights of the defendant, you have to assume it **will** happen to you, and establish a system wherein even though you're falsely accused, justice is served and you're exonerated. \"Beyond a reasonable doubt\" is the foundation of that system. If you want to replace that, you have to show me something that provides the same (or better) protections against abuse. \n\nAs for Zimmerman: he opened an insurance company with a black business partner, tutored black children, defended a black homeless man against police corruption, has black family members, and even took a black girl to prom. Yet you're putting him in the same category as a grand wizard of the KKK. The **only** evidence you have that Zimmerman is racist is that Martin happened to be black. That's the same evidence that the prosecutor had. If you're trying to get the justice system to convict Zimmerman, then you're trying to get the justice system to arrest **anyone** who chooses to interact with a person of a different race. Your justice system is more concerned with the races of the involved parties than their behavior. \n\n>Also, I object to your premise that it’s “better for 100 guilty ~~racist pigs~~ *men* to go free than for a single innocent person to be convicted”.\n\nAnd I object to you twisting my words away from the issue of \"rights of the accused\" and insinuating that I'm somehow defending unlawful racial discrimination. \n\nThe \"preponderance of the evidence\" standard you're looking for is currently available, via a civil case. Of course, when the only evidence of racism is that Martin's skin happened to be black, his family isn't going to prevail on racial issues either. \n\nI think they do have a chance at a wrongful death suit, but no chance whatsoever on racism. Zimmerman's actions that night were rash and imprudent (Unfortunately, so was Martin's response) but there is no evidence of racial motivation for those actions. ",
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"content": "I made no reference to Zimmerman, or any other specific cases.\n\nI don't presume to second guess the decisions.\n\nAnd yes, civil remedies are still available.\n\nJust saying...these issues in general are important, and must be resolved, by reason and logic. \n\nMaybe the government Should treat civil rights violations as a criminal matter, Moar.\n\nI do knee-jerk object to perceived attacks on Holder, whom I consider to be doing the best that he can, with what he's got...to pretty good effect, so far, and I look forward to his proposals, as well as those of his successor.\n\nI also object to your hyperbolic extrapolations, again, lol.\n\nCivil remedies can be expensive, and...infeasible, for many citizens, and sometimes the fed can and should step in.\n\nBoth on a micro case by case level, and on a macro, systemic level.\n\nSeems to me...\n\nBut then, Ima not a wonky law freak, just going by reason and logic, heh.",
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"content": ">I made no reference to Zimmerman, or any other specific cases.\n\nEric Holder did. This entire conversation is premised on Holder's suggestion that Zimmerman could have been brought to trial with a lower standard of proof. \n\n>Civil remedies can be expensive, and...infeasible, for many citizens,\n\nYeah, unfortunately, the major factor currently putting the brakes on frivolous, abusive lawsuits is \"cost\". I suppose we could institute some sort of grand jury system, wherein a plaintiff has to convince a disinterested panel that a case has legitimate merit before the plaintiff can bring the suit. \n\n>and sometimes the fed can and should step in.\n\nI disagree. The federal government should not be taking sides in a civil suit. They certainly shouldn't side with any plaintiff who asks them to. That's a perfect recipe for abuse. \n\nThe current option for the average individual to bring a case is with third-party assistance from, say, the ACLU. I think government grants to support charitable organizations devoted to protecting civil liberties would be appropriate, but directly intervening on behalf of the plaintiff is wildly inappropriate. ",
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"content": "You quite clearly didn't or you would have realized how stupid your question is.",
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"content": "Alas, Holder does not make this clear, exactly...the journalist can only speculate.\n",
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"content": "Holder makes it clear that he's talking about the requirements for bringing a case to court, not the requirements for proving guilt as the guy I replied to is thinking.",
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"content": "Holder is being clear that he wants federal involvement when a thug gets shot for charging a cop. This is just more proof of government over reach. The state didn't find guilt so we need a good fed case to get em. Fuck Eric Holder! ",
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"content": "The right wing conspiracy nut is also a racist. Quelle surprise!\n\nSeriously, lay of the Alex Jones, moron.",
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"content": "I guess I'm a racist because someone attacked a cop and got shot and I side with the cop. You are a fucking idiot. All your party does is turn everything into race. If I disagree with a black man im a racist. It doesnt matter what he is saying. Your line of thought is seriously fucked. When you have no idea about a real issue pull the race card. ",
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"content": "Again, the standard for proof in a criminal case is \"beyond a reasonable doubt\". A prosecutor should only act if he believes, in good faith, that he can prevail at trial. This means his own standard should be \"beyond a reasonable doubt\". There is a *very* serious ethical concern with a prosecutor bringing a case to trial when he believes he can't meet the standard of proof. \n\nThe same thing goes with a plaintiff's lawyer, but with the burden of proof being \"preponderance of the evidence\" instead of \"beyond a reasonable doubt\". \n\n",
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"content": ">In an exit interview, the attorney general says his critics may be partly driven by race.\n\nPartly?!",
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"content": "He is backwards thinking, morally twisted man who has done nothing but increase the civil tension between classes and race. His critics don't care about his race they just want someone else who is competent.",
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"content": ">who has done nothing but increase the civil tension between classes and race. His critics don't care about his race they just want someone else who is competent.\n\nSo what you're saying is that you're a racist idiot.",
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"content": "You're the reason democrats get a bad name. \"Don't agree with us? then you must be a biggot and a racist.\"\n\nThis party uses the same old excuses and keeps playing the victim race card instead of being accountable (republicans are just as bad).\n\nEric holder has been pushing a authoritarian agenda, has been abusing his powers, and disturbing civil order. If he really cared about the black community he would focus on a way to decrease the gang violence.\n\nHolder has done very little for this country. And your subjective twisted racist mindset prevents you from seeing it.",
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"content": "I'm sorry, but if you had a point, it was drowned out by all the racist rhetoric.\n\nIt's because of racists like that it's assumed that all right wing idiots are racist.",
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"content": "So as a black man I'm racist if I don't like Eric holder. Hmmm....\n\nI see you weren't blessed with logical reasoning.",
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"content": "> as a black man\n\nUh huh.",
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"content": "You're the one calling a black man an idiot. You must be the ring leader of the circlejerk around here. ",
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"content": "AS IF a black person who embraces Republican line is not a freakin' idiot, looking to get jerked off by racist pigs. \n\nTake your jive shit somewhere else, why don't you? Not because you're black, but because you are a fool.",
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"content": "Lying about your race doesn't magically make you not racist.",
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"content": "You really don't understand the true definition of racism. The bigotry is strong with you, congrats.",
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"content": "You're too much of a racist idiot to realize what a racist idiot you are. I hope one day you have a moment of self-realization and work to fix the damage caused by your right wing extremism.",
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"content": "Again, I'm a democrat. Just not as liberal as they come.",
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"content": ">I'm a democrat.\n\nI believe that as much as I believe your lie about being a black man. Your own comment history speaks against you. It's not often that black democrats spout racist Hannity/O'Reilly far right bullshit.",
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"content": "My apologies for having a different perspective than you. \n\nI'm sorry for growing up with different morals than you.\n\nI'm sorry I'm not the stereotypical black man.\n\nI'm sorry I'm more moderate and you're an authoritative liberal.\n\nI'm sorry I believe in something that you don't like and the only way for you to handle it is to a have an immature discussion riddled with insults.\n\nI'm sure if you have gone through my comment history you've probably downvoted every comment or post, because deep down you think it makes you feel better. \n\nWell you sure showed me -showed me what a twisted little brain you have. I wonder if you have abandonment issues...your parents or at least one of them didn't stick around for long. Or maybe you had some bad relationships experiences (if any) and you take it out on people, not in person cause you'd be physically assaulted, but online because they are just words. *\"And words will never hurt me...\"*\n\nHave fun bullying people on the internet. I hope you get help with your narcissistic personality disorder.\n",
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"content": "I'm sorry that you're so fucking stupid that you thinking telling blatant lies is an acceptable way to \"win\" arguments; of course, that's typical behavior for Republicans.\n\n>I'm sure if you have gone through my comment history you've probably downvoted every comment or post, because deep down you think it makes you feel better. \n\nNope. Unlike you, I'm not a scumbag.",
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"content": "Just from our \"discussion\" you don't even know how to have a respectable argument. The reason we are having this argument is because you called me a racist idiot. You're way of \"winning\" an argument is by insulting and having a derogatory tone. You don't even express your point of view. You will never be able to win an argument that way unless you verbally beat your opponent to into submission or they just begin to ignore you.\n\n\nYou are nothing more than a troll.",
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"content": "> you don't even know how to have a respectable argument\n\nWe're not having an argument, idiot. You're a racist moron, I called you on it, then you went into full-on denial.\n\n>You don't even express your point of view. \n\nI believe that my point of view that right wing extremists and racists should be mocked and ridiculed was quite clear.\n\n>You are nothing more than a troll.\n\nSays the troll.",
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"content": "oil and water",
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"content": "Is that your way of acknowledging that your right wing racism isn't tolerated by those who aren't also racist fuckwits?",
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"content": "It's me saying that even amongst our party we could trim the fat (you) because you make democrats look bad.",
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"content": "What do you mean \"our\" party? Only one of us (you) is a Republican. \n\nIf by some small chance you *are* a democrat then you're exactly the sort of racist asshole we don't need. You could go join your Republican buddies.",
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"content": "Right?\n\nlol...or, even if...AS IF a black person who promulgates Republican/\"Libertarian\" line is \"blessed\" with logical reasoning.\n\nThis thread is bringing out the trolls, to weasel and spew.",
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"content": "wait for it...now he's going to identify himself as a black Republican, lol.",
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"content": "Nope democrat. Just not as liberal as they come.",
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"content": "Well, the standard of proof is...too high.\n\nAlthough I may tend to agree with your seeming sentiment, and his rather ambiguous \"feeling\", that racial animosity may likely partly explain the irrational extreme hostility toward him, especially from known racists...like, many Republicans.\n",
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"content": "This is a man full of hate. He hated Obama so much he refused to do what was best for him and his wife, just because Obama name was attached to it.\n\nHow dumb is this? I feel sorry for him and hope he can get the money to pay off his medical bills. His hatred will be the death of him. ",
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"content": "Hopefully this will open the eyes of people opposed to Obamacare. ",
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"content": "Maybe, but hate this deep is usually just crazy. Crazy can't be rationalized. \n\nBut wouldn't it be great to get another story of him. One where he signs up for Obama care and then he explains how wrong he was. I wouldn't hold my breathe, though. ",
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"content": "Stranger things have happened",
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"content": "Sooo, where do I sign up for \"Obama care\"? Or is there really no such thing and when people say it, they really mean the ACA; something you can't just go sign up for. What you sign up for is health insurance, typically through the healthcare marketplace or your employer.\n\nif supporters of it don't even understand it, how can the opposition?",
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"content": "I understand it and know it's not really called Obama care. But I signed up through the market place and get subsidies to help with the payment of the insurance. And I'm very grateful to have health insurance.\n\nLast year there was only one company to choose from. This year there were several. I even changed insurance companies for better coverage at a lower cost. \n\nI also know I live in AL so the working poor didn't get the medicaid expansion. My sister is one of them who would have been covered. Our governor decided not to expand it like many other red states. ",
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"content": "More and more people are coming around to the ACA so hopefully it will open people up to the chances of comprehensive reform that lowers the astronomical cost inflation in the US in the future.",
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"content": "It's called 'Racism' !!!",
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"content": "I believe you might be correct. Would he react the same if Clinton would have passed the AHA?",
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"content": "........ Ahahhhhhh !\n \nThe 1980's Band ?\n\n.......... Or Ahahh !\n\n.......Clinton caught having sex with underage girls on a desert island owned by Epstein ? ?",
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"content": "I think he thinks it's the Affordable Healthcare Act, instead of the Affordable Care Act. ",
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"content": "Racism is its own punishment. The racist repub states have the worst education no jobs no unions no solar and wind jobs no hiteck jobs... ",
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"content": "Just a load of Rich employers !",
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"content": "When people talk about \"pulling yourself up by your bootstraps\" this isn't quite what I imagine.",
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"content": "Introducing my new Idiot Crowd Funding site: bootstraps.com!",
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"content": "Well, isn't that exactly what these types are like? They don't think the goverment should be helping people but that people should give charity of their own accord. So things seem to be working out for this guy just as he thinks they should. He sounds like an aboslute nutter, by the way. ",
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"content": "'nutter' = WANKER !",
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"content": "So is this the famous republican self-reliance? Glad he's not one of those \"moochers\" they all bitched about, huh.",
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"content": "na, you're only a moocher if you ask the one entity that exists to help you, to help you.",
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"content": "I'm going to give this guy money because I'm a liberal. And it's the right thing to do. I don't care how big of a piece this guy is or how delicious the irony is; liberalism should not be selective in its charity. If we want to not be the party of hate or those \"godless commie baby murdering elitist fag liberals\", stay off his GoFundMe (unless you have something nice to say).\n\nSorry to break the circle jerk, but it's appauling to see us become jackals like the conservatives and kick people while they're down.",
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"content": "I think donating once is OK and should go with \"NOW GO SIGN UP BECAUSE NOBODY IS GIVING YOU ANYTHING A SECOND TIME.\"",
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"content": "I paid a kid to come clean the weeds out of my backyard. It was a major job. He busted his ass. We started talking and he told me that he needed to see a doctor, because he has a lump in his testicles. No shit. I told him that he can either get insurance on the exchange for a good rate, or he may even qualify for ACCESS, which is Arizona's Medicaid program. He was a country boy type, and he cocked his head and looked at me like I was crazy and he said, \"What man? You mean Obamacare man?\" Like, what I suggested to him was totally absurd. But having a lump in your nuts and not seeing a doctor is totally logical. I honestly don't know how they brainwashed some people into working against their own best interests. ",
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"content": "I know a guy who was like that. He said \"I'd rather take the penalty than get Obamacare.\" \n \nHe has a wife and 2 young children. God forbid something serious happens to ANY of them. ",
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"content": "I would be curious to see the kind of comments that the more right wing subreddits would have about this.\n\nNot enough to actually go there and read them. Would one of you made of sterner stuff take care of that for me. Thanks.",
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"content": "One guy told me \"it's different because he's asking for help not just feeling entitled to it.\" IT'S HEALTHCARE! Everyone should have it.",
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"content": "A conservative friend once told me that asking is just polite demanding.",
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"content": "What's wrong with ASKING strangers for help?\n\nThe shame would be FORCING people to spend their hard earned dollars involuntarily.",
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"content": "The man is standing by his convictions, for that he deserves some credit. There comes a time however, when you must admit that your convictions were wrong and accept the consequences. In this instance he will be called a hypocrite (see Ayn Rand and Social Security) but will have health insurance. Contributing to him once would be an acknowledgment to his convictions. Any further contributions would be enabling. ",
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"content": "Were slaves hypocrites for eating the food their kidnappers forced them to grow?",
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"content": "What do you think?",
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"content": "I don't. Do you?",
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"content": "I believe it's a poor comparison. ",
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"content": "Do you believe there in \"wage slavery\"?",
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"content": "Yes, however, that too is a poor comparison to my original post.",
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"content": "Put these three things in order of rights violations \"harshness\" (for lack of a better term)\n\n1)classic slavery, 2)income tax withholding, 3)\"wage slavery\"",
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"content": "One of these things is not like the others. Try again.",
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"content": "Good point, wage slavery isn't real.",
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"content": "Dear progressives\n\nFor years you (we) have enjoyed a pro-science reputation in opposition to the rabid anti-science on the right. However, the anti-GMO pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, which are predominately on the political left, threaten that reputation.\n\nAnti-GMO really is the \"climate-change-denial\" of the political left. If we do not debunk and marginalize conspiracy theorists and junk-science believers on our side, the political left will lose the upper hand when it comes to science issues.\n\nWe must stick to facts, evidence and general scientific consensus if we wish to maintain our status as being defenders of science rather than anti-science denialists and conspiracy theorists.",
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"content": "its not necessarily the idea of GMO's, its when (or \"if\") unintended consequences start rearing their ugly multiple heads but, because $$$ are being made, the science showing **negative** unintended consequences gets buried.\n\nI mean, i know corporate america is good and honest and totally above reproach, and no one, certainly not business people or investors, would EVER **REMOTELY** consider sacrificing peoples' health for a few bucks, but who can say? \n\nSure, historically, industry has an exemplary track record of making environmental and health considerations a priority and making decisions based on the best available science, but what if that changes?\n\nor maybe us progressives are just making mountain*(top removal)*s out of *(cancerous)*mole-*(Bunker)*hill*(Mining and Metallurgical Complex Superfund Site)*s. Seriously. What business would put profits over people?\n",
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"content": "So you imagine a world-wide scientific conspiracy? \n\nDo you understand that the largest ag companies are a fraction the size of say 7-11, Starbucks....\n\nSee the unfounded conspiracy theories are what is going to destroy the pro-science credibility of the left.\n\n\n***\n\nThe scientific consensus is that there is no difference in health or safety between gm and non-gm crops. \n\nAccepting the scientific consensus on climate change and denying it on gm crops is not being \"pro-science\".... the is juat politics.",
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"content": "> So you imagine a world-wide scientific conspiracy?\n\nwat? Please re-read my comment for the context, not straw-men to argue against.\n\n> **CURRENTLY**, the scientific consensus is that there is no difference in health or safety between gm and non-gm crops.\n\nthe \"currently\" is the catch. THAT is the issue. \n\n- Scientists/science knew there was a link between smoking and cancer long before tobacco companies lost lawsuits that would change the industry. \n\n- The health effects of PCB's were known decades before they were phased out. GE fought tooth and nail to not only NOT phase them out, but also to avoid paying any clean-up costs. \n\n- The auto industry has been fighting and finagling MPG standards since the '70's.\n\n- managers at the Fukushima Daiichi nuke plant, in addition to falsifying records, flat-out ignored an in-house 2008 study showing susceptibility to tsunamis.\n\n- We've been deepwater drilling for oil for how many decades? The science, engineering and safety mechanisms are pretty much well established, right? A \"consensus\" one might say? Then why did the Deepwater Horizon disaster occur? Oh, yeah. That's right. Managers ignored their own engineers' safety concerns.\n\nNot only has does industry & business have a history of repressing inconvenient science, their track record on cleaning up after themselves:\n\n- Bhopal & Union Carbide\n\n- Deep Water Horizon & Gulf oil spill\n\n- Love Canal\n\n- Summitville Mine, CO\n\n- Prince William Sound & Exxon\n\n- factory farm or CAFO animal waste/fertilizer run-off\n\nSucks. Fucking. **ASS.**\n\nThe examples above are just off-the-cuff; i didn't even make an effort looking for them. Over and over and over again, the same science that provides profits for an industry is denied, repressed or otherwise restrained when that science points jeopardizes profits. \n\nAt this time, we simply don't have data to know what the long-term effects of GMO's will be, nor an idea of the unintended consequences. And if GMO's are so harmless, why do the vested companies fight so hard against GMO labeling? If there's nothing to fear, why not let the food be labelled such and let consumers figure it out for themselves?\n\n",
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"content": "> we simply don't have data to know what the long-term effects of GMO's will be\n\nThere have been long terms studies, the problem is there isn't even a mechanism by which GM crops could be different.\n\nI challenge you to come up with an issue that is uniquely about GM crops. From experience, I know that what you will come up with will be about large scale agriculture in general, not specifically about GM crops.\n\nSeriously, give it your best shot.\n\n***\n\nThe whole argument of 'Company X did a bad thing once, therefor all science should be distrusted' is a TERRIBLE argument. Conflating anti-corporatism on the left into anti-science only supports my argument.",
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"content": "Corporate \"science\" vs real science. You're not fooling anyone. ",
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"content": "Just like cigarette science that couldn't find the cancer link. ",
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"content": "Actually that is a myth. Scientists understood that smoking was a contributing factor in lung cancer for nearly 100 years\n\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Lickint",
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"content": "source?",
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"content": "The \"scientists\" funded by the Cigarette industry fought that real science for 50 years. \n\nThey're pet theory, still in circulation, was that people who got lung cancer were predisposed to get it. And they would get lung cancer anyway.\n\nScientists funded by corporate cigarette companies came up with hundreds of excuses and fake scientific pollution to stop the regulation of cigarettes.\n\n",
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"content": "So still having some difficulty accepting the decades old scientific consensus?\n\nI hope you are not going to take the political right's examples on climate change for your talking points....",
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"content": "[Here is the consensus on GMOs.](http://files.vkk.me/images/cce3cffc1f2013113a84723ec6929436375d10e1.jpg)\n \nThe study that they cite is at best a opinion piece which contains no new relevant research and that goes even as far to cite the retracted and error prone 2012 Seralini study. ",
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"content": "And here's the real science:\nThere are many risks, and problems and Monsanto is not addressing them.\n\nhttp://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/food-agriculture/our-failing-food-system/genetic-engineering-agriculture#.VPMBxELYsz0\n\n\n\nThese are a few things policy makers should do to best serve the public interest:\n\nExpand research funding for public crop breeding programs, so that a broad range of non-GE as well as GE crop varieties will remain available.\n\nExpand public research funding and incentives to further develop and adopt agroecologically based farming systems.\n\nTake steps—such as changes in patent law—to facilitate independent scientific research on GE risks and benefits.\n\nTake a more rigorous, independently verified approach to GE product approvals, so that products do not come to market until their risks and benefits are understood through non-biased review.\n\nSupport food labeling laws that require foods containing GE crops to be clearly identified as such, so that consumers can make informed decisions about supporting GE applications in agriculture.\n",
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"content": "> There are many risks, and problems and Monsanto is not addressing them.\n\nThere are dozens of major companies and 100s of universities working on GM crops. Monsanto isn't a monopoly and isn't even the biggest company working on GM crops. I think if you actually investigated your beliefs about Monsanto you would be shocked how many are urban legends, conspiracy theories and out-right fabrications.\n\n***\n\nSeriously, if you want to paint yourselves as science-deniers for political reasons, you may wake up one day and find that the left doesn't have credibility on science issues.\n\nThe anti-GMO pseudoscience and conspiracy theories really is the 'climate-change-denial' on the political left.\n\n***\n\nA good rule of thumb: We should be most skeptical of ideas we like because we are sufficiently skeptical of those we don't.\n\nIn other words: Clean up the anti-science views on the left",
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"content": "Sounds like someone's planning a wedding!",
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"content": "You read my mind ;). It's actually kinda sad at this point in his life to still be closeted. Bravo for taking a stand though. I'm sure it wasn't easy given the GOP's social conservative wing. ",
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"content": "I'm seriously shocked that Graham would show this kind of integrity.",
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"content": "He's worried people would use the same excuse for sharia law",
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"content": "Gotta stick up for his people. ",
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"content": "Wait... DOMA supporter and anti-\"gay agenda\" Lindsey Graham said that?",
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"content": "He may not support gay marriage, but this is a different issue entirely. He's just saying that she should actually do her job. The fact that he's practically the only one saying this is what's really shocking.",
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"content": "I think someone should point her to the ,\"Render unto Caesar\", discussion in her bible.",
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"content": "Rendering unto Caesar is a reference to God's stance on paying taxes. ",
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"content": "Read it again, he asks whose name and face is on the coin. Whose name is on that Marraige License, Jesus Christ or the State of Kentucky?",
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"content": "One. \n\nPathetic.",
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"content": ">Davis won her $80,000-a-year office in November, running as a Democrat. . .\n\nAt least the republicans are willing to work with one democrat.",
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"content": "Every article with her name in the headline is another dollar in her pocket when she starts selling books and going on Fox News ",
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"content": "I just saw breaking news that she is being ordered to jail by a jugde. It was just announced a few minutes ago. ",
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"content": "This is going to fan the flames big time. Her support base, which will likely grow, is going to try & turn her into a martyr. ",
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"content": "Exactly what I was thinking. She's going to try to play the victim and will have people rallying behind her, pretending they care about religious freedom. She's going to get a PR person and try to spin this into making herself look like a hero.",
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"content": "Exactly. Christians aren't happy unless they're feeling persecuted.",
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"content": "Send in the lions",
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"content": "You have to think that if gay marriage were still illegal we, as dems, would be cheering anyone who \"broke the law\" for issuing a marriage license to a gay couple. We think the morally right thing to do is issue the license. They see at as the opposite. I'm not gonna say they're bad people. Just stupid. But that's not new news. ",
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"content": "She's sitting in jail right now so common sense won.",
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"content": "I just want to point out that the folks over at r/conservative agree she should've obeyed the law. I haven't seen anyone bring up religious freedom or 'dem crazy liberals' comments.",
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"content": "Isn't she a Democrat herself?",
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"content": "Good luck with that.",
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"content": "Why? The governor and much of the state legislators have voiced opinions to support something like this in the wake of the recent VA shootings. Sometimes that's what it takes…something that hits close to home.\n\nResidents there recently gained 28,000 signatures on a petition to do just this and there will absolutely be a great chance for this to work. \n\nSorry if the facts conflict with your knee-jerk reaction and opinion.",
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"content": "I just don't get my hopes up anymore. Every tragedy is followed by vows that go no where. Not to mention that the rest of Virginia, particularly the west, won't go that way.",
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"content": "I really hate the term \"gun show loophole\" it's misleading at best.",
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"content": "No it's not…it's just that: Loopholes that were purposely created to skirt the current gun laws in VA. \n\nHow is that misleading or even *complicated* at all? \n\nIs the term 'tax loophole' confusing to you as well? Because it's also a very simple idea. There is a set of rules that are established and then legislators later on down the road change rules around to nullify those previous rules.\n\nSuper complicated, right?",
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"content": "Because maybe it isn't caused by gunshows? It's just private party sale.",
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"content": "I'm not against universal background checks. I just think it's dumb to call the issue regarding private sales w/o background checks the \"gunshow loophole\".\n\nAlso, you should look up what party stopped the proposal to allow private citizens the ability to perform background checks using NICS when doing private sales...",
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"content": "Which are all fairly dumb since they aren't really loopholes.",
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"content": "You seem to think commonality is a substitution for accuracy.",
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"content": "They aren't ambiguous at all. Saying that commercial sales of guns or interstate sales of guns require a background check isn't a loophole because they didn't place the same limitation on private sales.",
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"content": "\"hur dur, the demz are a'cummin' ta take mah gunzzzzz!\"",
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"content": "NRA FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS TO SELL GUNS TO CRIMINAL. BUSINESSES BITCH. ",
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"content": "Yeah, because the Jews were the oppressors, and they were sending Nazis to concentration camps...",
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"content": "I don't get it. Are you agreeing with her lawyer? She's a democrat, so this seems murky. ",
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"content": "I think OP meant to show the really weak analogy Kim Davis's lawyer made.\n\nAlso, her being a Democrat doesn't necessarily tell us her beliefs. One can register as a Democrat and be a strong conservative. A lot of conservatives are using her being a Democrat as a showing of \"hypocrisy\" on the side of the Democrats, and that is why a lot of us now know she is a Democrat (the conservatives are telling everyone, hoping that it means something), even though it really says nothing.\n\nShe may or may not be a liberal, but she is definitely a homophobe.",
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"content": "One could apply the same logic w the label of \"Christian\"...",
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"content": "Yes. Christianity is quite a broad thing; a lot of Christians have many very different beliefs. You cannot expect any two Christians to have the same beliefs other than that those Christians subscribe to the teachings of Jesus. One Christian might be an atheist (no, it's not contradictory), and another might be a strong theist. By just the word *Christian*, I really cannot automatically assume anything more than a subscription to the teachings of Jesus.\n\nIt goes the same for Republicans and Democrats. This is why it is a lot better to know someones political philosophies rather than their preferred political party. I can't tell your beliefs by you calling yourself a Democrat, but when you say you're a liberal, I suddenly know the general idea of what you believe.\n\nEdit: I have to add that it is, unfortunately, too easy to assume a person's beliefs when that person gives himself or herself a label. Parting of being human, I suppose.",
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"content": "People love labels. For instance, I prefer classical liberal, as liberals in my experience have proven to be anything but. ",
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"content": "So you're a right winger in line with the American \"Libertarian\" movement?",
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"content": "How so? Do you propose to have the ability and right to question and define the religious beliefs of others? ",
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"content": "No exactly the opposite in that as the bible is full of nuance and can mean different things for different people. ",
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"content": "Her lawyer is from the right wing hate group Liberty Counsel.",
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"content": "Oh, I see...",
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"content": "A lawyer isn't a Democrat or a Republican unless they're running for office. A lawyer is a paid representative who will say and do anything within legal guidelines on behalf of their clients.",
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"content": "Ironic since Nazism was also homophobic and Nazis killed countless gay people as well as Jewish people, Russian and Polish people, Gypsies, handicapped people, etc. ",
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"content": "What's your figure? The overall added national debt?",
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"content": "Debt to GDP is at a completely manageable level. ",
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"content": "To \"end the debt\" would be a really poor choice in policy. ",
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"content": "No. We don't need to eventually pay this off. Sovereign debt only needs to be maintained. This is why I recommended economics for you. As a sovereign debtor we are both the issuer of the currency that the debt is held in, and immortal. The only payment ever required is the interest on the debt. Treasury bonds that are the mechanism for that debt are a safe haven for investors and have a demand that the issuer meets. The issuer adjusts the interest rate to meet the demand and to continue to borrow at the rate required. As long as the debt doesn't exceed a certain level of the GDP it can be sustained indefinitely. ",
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"content": "Explain \"destroy the country.\" What do you think will happen?",
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"content": "Uh... did you seriously just link to a sovereign citizen site?\n\nYou're aware they're completely full of shit, right? The entire movement is based around imaginary loopholes and incorrect interpretations of the law.\n\nThey don't even understand how the government works, you can't trust their predictions on what will happen it with the future.\n\nThe other article was just some doomsdayer's predictions about how everything is awful. He's just some guy in Iowa who wrote a rant.",
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"content": "> Well it turns out he wants to tax corporations and corporation owners 90%.\n\nSee, here's the harm of getting your information from the bullshit sites you use. Someone is lying to you. He said he could support a top marginal tax rate of 90%. That doesn't mean taxing people at 90%, but I'm sure whatever doomsdayer conspiracy theoriest website you read that on didn't really care about the distinction, they just cared about rustling your jimmies and getting you to vote for whoever they wanted you to vote for.\n\nAlso, the top marginal tax rate was above 90% in the 40s and 50s, one of the largest economic booms our country has ever seen. I bet whatever crazy website you got your information from conveniently left that part out, since it means a 90% marginal tax rate doesn't actually cause the damage they're saying it causes.",
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"content": "Low unemployment increases debt? No. ",
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"content": "> Keynesian economics isn't sustainable.\n\nLol.",
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"content": "I'm sure your local community college offers classes in economics. Take one. ",
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"content": "Argument? No, that's just sound advice based on demonstrated ignorance. ",
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"content": "I wouldn't spend time arguing with a flat earther either. If you're really interested in educating yourself it's much more effective to keep your mouth shut in matters that you don't understand. ",
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"content": "Making wild assertions and then crying out \"refute me!\" isn't a particularly effective tactic when trying to educate yourself in a given subject. No matter how innocent you'd like to pretend your commentary on the subject is, you came in making horridly ill informed assertions and citing sources that mark you as someone that chooses conspiracy nut farcical bullshit to inform themself.\n\nYes, you were met with complete dismissal. You aren't making arguments that deserve to be addressed seriously. You do have the opportunity to learn something from this exchange, and I hope you'll take it. What you're spouting is nonsense, you really need some background on these matters before trying to form an educated opinion.",
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"content": "He said it's not unreasonable. It's not, tax rates are graduated and he's talking about 90 percent of what someone makes over something like 10 million. If you can use that to send a generation to college, and put a lot of people to work rebuilding roads and bridges the economy benefits. ",
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"content": "How? We've had these debt levels for years now and... nothing. Just like the low interest rates for 10 years and we still can't hit inflation targets.\n\nAdditional FYI, a huge portion of investment in treasuries is domestic. There isn't some shadowy creditor out there somewhere that can bankrupt us or anything, that's not how the debt works. \n\nI didn't downvote here or anything, I'm actually curious about why the debt concerns are still getting brought up when all empirical evidence is pointing in the other direction.",
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"content": "So the youtube video I already commented on - government 'debt' is nothing like personal debt. There is no creditor waiting to collect. A better analogy would be stock issued by a corporation, especially considering that the government in the past 10 years has been 'borrowing' at basically a 0% rate. Investors look to US treasuries for something extremely safe and stable. Treasuries offer limited returns but are generally inflation protected, making them risk free. That elimination of risk is very important to certain types of investors which is why the debt has been increased to current levels without any increase in inflation. At its core, this argument - if investors were concerned about the risk of default or if they didn't trust the US, they would stop investing until rates increased. We've had 10 years now for that to happen and it hasn't, even though critics of QE and current policy have been predicting the US would turn into Zimbabwe since 2008.\n\nThis also points to the problem with your links - debt concerns like this have been around for nearly a decade without any negative results. There simply is no empirical support for either austerity policies working to improve distressed economies or for high debt having deleterious effects in the US under current conditions.\n\nA final note - the US has carried some level of debt since 1835, the UK has carried debt for hundreds of years. Not only is some level of debt good generally (low risk investment), some work suggests that higher levels of debt may actually be better because a greater supply of safe investment reduces levels of investment in risky assets. Here's an example of that discussion: http://economics.mit.edu/files/8474",
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"content": "Does this number include people who have simply stopped trying to find work and aren't in unemployment? There are a number of ways to calculate unemployment depending on what you're trying to convince people of. ",
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"content": "Only 250,000 collect unemployment I'm doubting several million people just 'gave up' looking for a job and now full time watch tv.",
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"content": "Headline unemployment always means the same calculation, U3. Labor force participation rate or sometimes U6 are what people with no idea what they're talking about want to be called unemployment when they're just trying to make things sound bad.",
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"content": "Unions need to figure out how to unionize high tech. My field, software engineering, has no unions. ",
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"content": "With such high incomes and great benefits, I doubt they're really in dire need of unionization. ",
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"content": "There isn't, for sure. But companies are making much more money per engineer than say having someone do retail. For example, I wrote a feature that took on average, 5 hours to do. The company had to do these once a week. So that is roughly 200 dollars per week, per company. 5 companies so 1000 dollars in labor. My feature turned that into an on demand service. Every time a customer wants a report, it is now instant. That was one feature I did in a month. \n\nSo in a sense, within 6 months, 1 year on the outside, the company has already paid for my entire cost, and the feature will run for years. \n\nThen I could mention that even though many are salary, most work over 40 hours a week. I have had to work until midnight to make sure a game launch worked correctly. There is a high level of stress, and a union could work to make sure that the load isn't too much. ",
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"content": "For tech workers (and many others in unrelated industries) salary becomes a chain or a cell. One's expected to work far more than forty hours a week \n\nIn the food service and retail salary is almost indentured servitude. Walmart has their salaried employees covering hours for hourly waged employees. Restaurants do the same and often expect over sixty hours a week. All of this stuff could be addressed by strong and well backed unions. ",
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"content": "There's still collusion between tech firms to illegally suppress wages. Steve Jobs and Google were actually caught involved in such plans. ",
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"content": "Why would they want to unionize? It would tank the sector. ",
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"content": "I doubt it, as unions aren't in every company, but mainly only large companies. Google, Amazon, they are worth how many billions? People at the top are making how much in bonuses? \n\nOver the past 10 years, CEO wages have skyrocketed, but that didn't kill anything. So why can a CEO get paid 30% more, but a software engineer can't?",
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"content": "Software engineers have higher mobility and a more desirable skillset than those who typically belong to a union. This leads to higher wages and better benefits - what could be gained by unionizing?",
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"content": "Right. The 'me' generation who spends half of their time staring into their phones and the other half taking photos of themselves and their meals is going to champion a cause that is specifically about others and solidarity?\n\nGood luck with that.",
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"content": "That same generation got ridiculed as useless and worthless when they took part in OWS and changed the way our nation talks about income inequality.\n\nBut we can still belittle them and mock them just as older generations have been doing with younger generations since the beginning of history.",
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"content": "Did you just refer to millennials as the \"me generation\"? [You're confused.] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_generation) As if any generation could be more self absorbed than the Baby Boomers. You know, the ones who sold off our rights and protections without any thought or concern for future generations. ",
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"content": "I'm pro union, but I think unions also need some work. The union, take no prisoners approach isn't necessarily the best one and is off putting to the people who need a union the most.\n\n\nI dream of starting a union at the factory I work at, but I also have no fallback should I fail and get backlisted, which is the scariest part.",
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"content": "I'm really looking forward to this one right before an election. It's going to make them look so good to swing voters.",
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"content": "The general election is over a year from now. Have you already forgotten how the Republicans took the Senate in 2014 after shutting down the government the previous year?",
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"content": "Hush. I'm dreaming.",
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"content": "Definition of insanity. Please proceed, Republicans. The videos against Planned Parenthood have been debunked. ",
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"content": "The people they were made to be viewed y have no intention of believing them to be debunked. They feed on ignorance and insanity so they still believe PP is a baby killing machine that rips babies apart and sells the parts to the highest bidder.",
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"content": "I know. The problem is that there is no popular support for defunding Planned Parenthood (or really doing much of what they want to do). Even though ACA support was tepid in 2013, they couldn't get the public on their side to repeal it. People may hate public debt but they don't actually want government to default either. Their tactics are bad to begin with but their choices of fights to pick are bad too and have no popular public support. And yet they can't figure out why they keep losing these quixotic fights. ",
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"content": "As long as their base is crazy they will act crazy themselves. I blame no one but moderate and liberal non voters for this prblem. There are plenty of non voters out there who voice their complaints but when they are asked to DO something about it they're too lazy to get off their fat asses and vote.",
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"content": ">I blame no one but moderate and liberal non voters for this prblem.\n\nPreach! I'm so with you on that point.",
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"content": "What were the repercussions last time they did it? All these idiots got reelected.",
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"content": "Gerrymandering assures more people vote for Democrats yet these idiots stay in power.",
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"content": "What do they mean it's never worked out for them? IIRC, they took the Senate in 2014 after shutting down the government in 2013. Of course, a big part of that was the fecklessness of the Democratic leadership pushing candidates who tried to out-Republican their Republican opponents (which, worked out great in 2010 as well). But still, the Republicans who opted to shut down the government haven't really suffered any political blowback.",
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"content": "Didn't read this blog post but on topic, I thought the response was kind of bad. She \"apologized\" but then went on to say why it wasn't a big deal. \n\nI agree with her and am a strong Hillary supporter but even I feel a bit shaken by this saga. This will make it increasingly difficult for her to win over any folks on the fence. Luckily, she's so far ahead the rest of the pack that it might not matter. ",
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"content": "Why are you a strong Hillary supporter?",
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"content": "I supported her in 2008 but for the most part, not much has changed. She's supremely experienced at multiple levels of the Federal government. Her experience with families I think will do well for the country. Her center-left stances appeal to me and I think will do well for the country. ",
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"content": "Well, at least your honest/self-aware enough about it. I get annoyed when people on reddit or (even worse) in the media try to go on and on about what a liberal she is.\n\nPersonally, I think wealth inequality is a huge problem in this country right now, and I'm not a big believer that Third Way politics will suddenly fix that (instead of exacerbating the problem, as we've seen over the past 20 years or so). \n\nYou're probably a bit more well off than I am right now though, so I can respect where you're coming from wanting to maintain the status quo.",
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"content": "I'm a 26 year old kid with a middle class salary living in New York. Hardly well-off.\n\nI'll also point out that there also seems to be this great big commotion around Hillary not being liberal when, in truth, she's was ranked by both liberal and conservative groups as one of the most liberal Senators during her time in the Senate. ",
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"content": ">she's was ranked by both liberal and conservative groups as one of the most liberal Senators during her time in the Senate.\n\nAt the time she was a Senator, the Senate was full of blue dogs, so I think it's kind of misleading to tout her as a liberal. Rather, she was one of the least conservative Democratic Senators back then. Do you get the difference?\n\n>I'm a 26 year old kid with a middle class salary living in New York. Hardly well-off.\n\n\nThen I really don't understand why you would prefer Hillary to Sanders. It seems that you should understand the need for progressive policy now instead of maintaining the status quo as Clinton likely would.",
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"content": "> Do you get the difference?\n\nYes, and you're right. Politics for the most part has become more polarized so where should would lie on the spectrum has shifted a bit.\n\n> Then I really don't understand why you would prefer Hillary to Sanders.\n\nI don't think Sanders will do well in office. Simple as that. I don't think he'd build a strong enough coalition throughout Washington. I don't think he'd be a good figure head for the party (I'm unabashedly Democrat). I don't think he'd actually be successful in getting anything done against the GOP House. Personally, I prefer steady change than rapid change.",
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"content": ">Personally, I prefer steady change than rapid change.\n\nThe problem is that on economic matters, the Democratic Party has been drifting rightward for decades. This sort of gradual change needs to be corrected. That won't happen under Clinton.\n\nI am a progressive, first and foremost. I don't feel I owe the Democratic Party anything when they act against my interests in the name of \"compromise\" or \"reaching across the aisle\" or whatever they'd like to call it. \n\nIt makes me sick how corporate (so-called \"centrist\") Democrats have hijacked the party to disastrous effect (see 2010, 2014).",
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"content": "I don't think the corporate Democrats are the ones to blame (certainly not entirely) for 2010 and 2014. I think that's the DNC's inability to draft a clear message and the unwillingness of Democrats in purple districts to stand by Obama. \n\nIn 2014 especially, too many Democrats were on the fence or straight up apologizing for Obamacare. They got burned. The ones that stood by it, ended up winning. \n\nThe population of the United States I think is more sick of politicians not having a spine. It's partly why Trump and Sanders are both doing well: they are saying what they want and it's refreshing for a lot of people.\n\nI'll also say that the Democrats while drifting rightwards, are still strongly left. They support minimum wage, they support stronger worker protections, they support public healthcare expansions, they support higher taxes. I fail to see how the Democrats of today are significantly more conservative than the Democrats of the 60's (some of whom voted against Great Society programs).",
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"content": "The NYT found that in the 2 years that Sanders and Clinton were both in the Senate, they voted together 93% of the time. It's not like there is a leaps and bounds difference between them. Sanders supporters would point to disagreements over the bank bailouts (which most Democrats supported) and foreign policy, but they largely agree on most issues. And the 7% difference was not Hillary voting more conservative all the time: Sanders voted against ending debate on the immigration reform bill. \n\nBasically what I'm saying is: people should relax, they're both liberal and as a party we should be happy with either as our nominee. \n\nhttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0",
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"content": "So what?\n\nWhat if that 7% consists of the most substantive, important issues? I don't care if Sanders agreed with Clinton on honoring a boy scout troop or renaming a post office 93% of the time. On the economy, on foreign policy, on health care, Clinton and Sanders hold drastically different views.\n\nSorry, but that's a pretty transparently dishonest claim on your part and on the NYT's part (who are more or less all in on Hillary and ignoring Sanders).",
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"content": ">Basically what I'm saying is: people should relax, they're both liberal and as a party we should be happy with either as our nominee.\n\nYou're misinformed or lying here.",
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"content": "Once again, and I am disappointed that I keep having to say this to people in this subreddit, that you can disagree with me without calling me a liar. Be civil. ",
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"content": "Agreed.",
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"content": "How come the only times I see you pop up in this subreddit, it's to attack someone for not embracing Hillary Clinton or to stifle any criticism of her?",
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"content": "I agree with you, but Sanders and Biden are closing in on her! She has got to be more careful! I loved her in 2008, but I think that this time around she is not that good. But you should check out my other articles too.",
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"content": "I agree. In my perfect world, she'd have gotten the nomination in 2008, and Obama with more experience in the Senate would be getting the nod now. Now, it just seems like the political climate in this country isn't well-suited for established candidates like her or Bush. Even O'Malley isn't picking up any steam because he just seems like a \"career politician.\"\n\nPeople are so tired of \"business as usual\" with Washington that fringe candidates are getting considered. Trump's lead, Bernie's ever growing campaign, Carson's recent surge, and even Fiorina's recent upswing is all because people are tired of hearing what to them sounds like known talking points.\n\nFor 2016, Hillary might seem a bit too established to excite the base. As a Democrat, I've been scared of this since the midterms last year. I still support her because I think she's the most experienced and because I'm fairly moderate so, to me, she's perfect.\n\nBut even level-headed people I talk to, who are usually above the fray of the populist pendulum swings are reeling from the established candidates. \n\nEDIT: I've also saved this post so I can read the article when my work computer isn't blocking it LOL",
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"content": "I agree. This is the year of outsiders. Having said that I still support Jeb Bush and like Marco Rubio, but I would love to see Carly Fiorina as the VP. \n\nAs for the Democrats, I like how Sanders got in the game, and how he is exciting the crowds. I think he got real potential, but I'm not sure yet if he can actually win. But I do hope that Biden will make a late entry to the race. It would be so exciting!",
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"content": "how you people can support this treasonous schmuck is beyond me.\n\nedit: the title of the article was originally about Hilary in Iowa and said nothing about Bernie.",
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"content": "C'mon man, you have to ease into being hateful. Start out by saying \"This guy has radical view points\" and ease into \"treasonous schmuck\"\n\ntl;dr This guy has radical view points",
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"content": "I'm not talking about Bernie, the title of the thread was changed after I posted. I can respect Bernie's candidacy despite his socialist leanings; he doesn't buy his support like Hilary does.\n\nBesides, I've given concrete examples of my gripes, not just rhetoric. \n\nAnd if I were being hateful I would've called you all something different than \"you people.\"",
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"content": "Correct me if I'm wrong but it's not possible to change Reddit titles.",
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"content": "That's what I thought but the title was different. It just said Hillary Clinton in Iowa. Not sure what happened there. Didn't mean to jump the rails I promise.",
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"content": " You can mark a post NSFW, wait a while, and then edit the title. After that, remove the NSFW tag, and it'll be like it never happened.",
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"content": "Uranium One\n\nHonduras\n\nBenghazi\n\nEmail scandal\n\n...and you people realize her Foundation oozes corruption right? She's lied, withheld disclosure of donations despite promises to the president as terms of her nomination as SoS, accepted bribes under the guise of charity from both domestic and foreign contributors and used her influence to buy legislation to benefit her financial interests during her husband's presidency.\n\n\nI could accept it if she were the best person for the job, but electing her because she's a woman is emblematic of my problems with your party.\n ",
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"content": "Just curious, but who's your candidate of choice? Trump?",
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"content": "God no. He's the opposite side of the same coin as Hillary. I'll be voting for Rand Paul. I don't agree with everything he says but I'd like the direction he'd take the country:\n\n* Expanded states rights\n\n* increased personal liberties. \n\n* reduction of taxes and our monolithic government. \n",
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"content": "Rand Paul is also a crazy anti-vaxxer so...",
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"content": "> Paul tried to clarify that quote again, insisting he was misunderstood.\n\n> “The point is that I have heard of – I mean who hasn’t ever met a child who has a profound disability and in the parents’ mind they see a connection,” Paul said. “But I didn’t allege there is a connection. I said I heard of people who believe there is a connection. I do think that vaccines are a good idea. I’ve been vaccinated. My kids have been vaccinated.”\n\n> Paul, an eye doctor, then began a discourse into the history of vaccines and their value in fighting infections. Then Arrington asked if parents should have the right to refuse to vaccinate their children.\n\n> “I’m not promoting any change to vaccine law,” Paul said. “The current vaccine law has religious exemptions and philosophic exemptions, so those who jumped all over me on this need to stand up and say what they’re for.”\n\n> **“Ask the president: ‘Are you for a new federal law holding people down and vaccinating them?’” Paul continued. “He’s not. Neither is anybody else who gave me a lot of grief over this.”**\n\n*emphasis added\n\nhttp://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-rand-paul-vaccine-20150212-story.html\n\nThere is a difference between being \"a crazy anti-vaxxer\" and not supporting a change in law that would result in the use of government violence (in the libertarian sense) to force someone to vaccinate their child against their own will. You've been deluded by progressivist-think into believing all those with different opinions are demented and insane.",
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"content": ">“I’ve heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines,” Paul, R-Ky., said in an interview with CNBC anchor Kelly Evans.",
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"content": "To which he responded and clarified with what I quoted. \n\nEven if he was what you smear him to be, \"an anti-vaxxer\", it seems to me like you'd rather vote for a candidate who openly sells herself to the highest bidder than someone who is opposed to changing a law which gives 'religious and philosophical exemptions.'",
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"content": "I'm not voting for Hilary, I'm voting for Sanders. And if Paul said that but believes otherwise it just means he's willing to say whatever it takes to get votes.",
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"content": "You're going to hear it how you're going to hear it. Listen to [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGvBB_nqZWI) (which is what is referred to in [the interview you refer to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlWcDDZ1w38)) though. He's not saying people shouldn't have to get vaccines to the detriment of the public, he's saying for most vaccines, NOT ALL, but most, it should be voluntary as to when and if they are given.\n\nHe goes on to use the example of staggering the timing being a voluntary choice of the parent that shouldn't be meddled with by the government. \n\n",
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"content": "Vaccines should not be voluntary and believing that people get terrible mental illness from them is just plain wrong. I'm not hearing it in any special way. The guy is saying one thing out of one side of his mouth and something else out of the other in the most flattering interpretation.",
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"content": "right, so I should go to prison for not getting a flu vaccine every year?\n\nHe said most vaccines should be voluntary, but essential ones should not be. You're voting for Bernie, so I can understand your desire to allow the government to creep into every nook and cranny of your personal life, but that's wrong and you're perverting the rights preserved for us in the 9th amendment:\n\n> All rights not specifically enumerated (limited by) the constitution or the other amendments are reserved to the people.\n\nBut then again, you vote democrat so I wouldn't expect you to understand the Constitution anyway.",
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"content": "Yeah and your some libertardian living in an Ayn Rand fantasy world. People shouldn't have the right to spread diseases. That hurts other people.",
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"content": "once again, no one is saying people shouldn't have to get essential vaccines. Don't let your desire to be wrong get in the way of understanding what I'm actually saying.",
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"content": "I've heard rumors, but can't personally confirm so I was hoping you could help me out:\n\nDoes being as ignorant as you are really lead to a life of bliss?",
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"content": "I'll be downvoted but this is the truth: Six months ago, the republicans didn't have a chance in *Hell* of winning the White House in 2016. \n\nCurrently, Trump is winning in several polls. \n\nWhy? Republicans have convinced democrats that Hillary would be a 'bad' leader because she used a personal email server.\n\nSay what you want about the Republicans (I do all the time) but they sure as fuck know how to manipulate the democrats. Of course the media certainly didn't help Hillary's efforts but…hey! Good luck democrats! \n\nBy abandoning a candidate that over 60% of you were supporting just 6 months ago, you've basically ensured that your next president will be Donald Trump.\n\nAnd again, say what you want about the republicans but they don't give a fuck what you have to say about Trump, which is pretty much the exact opposite response that democrats have whenever republicans smear Hillary.\n\nBest of luck! You will certainly need it. \n\nI like Bernie too but he has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the general election and you know it. But think of how gallantly you'll lose in November! You can say, 'Hey! At least I didn't support the big money candidates!' as Donald Trump is being sworn in. \n\nThat idea will keep you very warm at night over the next 4 years as you wake up to the dawn of the Idiocracy with Trump as your commander in chief every day for almost half a decade!",
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"content": "\"How dare you not support a candidate who doesn't share any of your values, so the Democrat establishment can ignore the demands of their base and continue to capitalize on being second worst party in a two party system!\"",
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"content": "Yes, Hillary's struggles are all the fault of Democratic voters and in no way reflect dysfunctional party leadership or her being mediocre candidate who's transparently more interested in pleasing everyone than articulating a principled vision - its condescending shit like this that from the DNC and establishment types that keeps progressive voters home on election day.\n\nAs far as the national polls/electability goes, a) there are months to go and the polls are close, b) most voters aren't paying attention yet, c) I don't see how those results mesh with polls saying +80% of Hispanic voters hate Trump, and d) imagine if the DNC and establishment types put as much effort into running an open and transparent primary as they did trying to make Clinton inevitable with their bazillion endorsements, shared fundraising, restrictive debating rules, etc.",
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"content": "Lol what salute? He's just waving. xD. [Like Hilary Clinton Waves.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFZ-ja5WMAASdA1.jpg:large)",
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"content": "You just don't get it, do you Scott?",
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"content": "A freeze-frame of a wave at just the right angle showing an angled elbow and inclined shoulder is... far from the most serious reason to despise the theocratic fascist-wannabe pictured here. ",
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"content": "Watch the video, he does it for the last few minutes of the rally",
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"content": "Jesus dude he's just waving, don't be an ass when there are actual, intellectually honest reasons that Huckabee should be utterly alienated from serious political discourse. ",
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"content": "If only we had more Respectable Democrats like you. ",
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"content": "Link to vid?",
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"content": "Did you really go through my profile and down vote everything I've ever posted?",
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"content": "I can't say I did that",
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"content": "nice try.",
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"content": "Shouldn't be on this sub.",
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"content": "Lol com'on dude.",
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"content": "Well that's calling the kettle black ",
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"content": "He obviously means she's beholden to the special interest groups that are funding her/her super Pac(s)",
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"content": "Exactly, thank you ",
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"content": "I am still a Bernie supporter but I am liking her more and more.",
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"content": "Me too.",
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"content": "After she's elected, do you think she gives a damn about any of Sander's positions?",
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"content": "No actually the more she sounds like a Democrat. Bernie is a progressive...I don't expect her to sound like something she is not. She is not a progresive.. I'm just sick of that \"Third Way\" crap her and Bill have been spouting for years.\n\nNow is she legit..time will tell...let's have a couple of debates...silly season is over. Now Bernie, nobody should doubt he is legit...nobody.",
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"content": "In comparison to any of the Republican candidates the Clintons' \"Third Way\" is definitely the more progressive option. I would prefer Bernie to become our next President. But with that said, I feel a lot of my fellow Bernie supporters have let their passion develop into a hatred for Hillary that I find disappointing. If she ends up winning the primary we all should unite around her and hopefully bring that same passion to helping her in the general election.\n\nThe consequences of any Republican in the white house far exceed the differences between Hillary and Bernie.",
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"content": "Oh agreed...3rd way Democrat is in my opinion is Republican lite...but that beats the shit out of Republican crazy....I'm just not sure she is a 3rd way Democrat....She might be a ~~real~~ traditional Democrat. ",
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"content": "You don't find this move hypocritical on her part?",
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"content": "Too early to tell...But with the white hot spotlight of the campaine true colors will show through. ",
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"content": "[Well, she did just call herself a moderate and a centrist yesterday.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/hillary-clinton-democrat-progressive/index.html) So much for the ostensibly progressive rhetoric she began her campaign with.",
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"content": "And she is... That rhetoric wasn't ostensibly progressive is was all mainstream and popular. Nothing she suggested was polling at under 50%. ",
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"content": "Oh, I completely agree. By ostensibly, I meant that her rhetoric was tailored to appear progressive on its surface but really wasn't.",
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"content": "But it was mainstream Democratic...that is all I hope for. If the Democratic party don't support the working poor and build ladders to the middle class...they don't have much of a reason to exist.\n",
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"content": "Color me simpatico.",
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"content": "Can you explain why we have all of these trolls?\n\nDownvoting these things...they are not Democrats",
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"content": "http://i.imgur.com/3quywfl.jpg",
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"content": "Was that really so damn hard?",
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"content": "She is still refusing to do part of her job. It's still open discrimination by a government employee, which is unacceptable. She needs to be removed from her post. Perhaps Wal mart will hire her. ",
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"content": "I'm sure some groups want to sue her but inevitably people who like to be this discriminately obfuscating trip themselves up one way or another. I for one look forward to the headline on Fark.",
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"content": "She's not issuing them to anyone, including hetero couples. She's not technically discriminating, but she is delegating she's supposed to be doing. ",
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"content": "Oh man I misread that part. So now she is refusing to do an even greater part of her job. This really takes the cake. I'm so dumbfounded by how this is being allowed to continue I'm actually at a loss for words. ",
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"content": "And it doesn't matter because the licenses have been modified and her signature isn't even required now.\n\n[Source on that statement.](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-says-she-wont-stop-deputies-marriage-n426836)",
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"content": "So should she even have to show up for work at this point? Seems she could just sit on her ass and collect a check.",
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"content": ">Seems she could just sit on her ass and collect a check.\n\nThe American dream.",
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"content": "Remember, someone elected her to this position.",
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"content": "Yeah I know -- I was just making a joke about the American dream.",
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"content": "County employee, not state employee.",
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"content": "Oops, I was so mad I didn't catch that. Thanks for pointing it out. ",
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"content": "Elected official",
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"content": "She will not authorize and that means that even if her deputies authorize they will not be legal without her signature. ",
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"content": "And then she'll go back to jail.",
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"content": "Guess she learned a lesson. ",
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"content": "What lesson? Make a stink long enough and they'll release you from jail and pay you to do nothing?",
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"content": "It's the American way ",
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