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"content": "https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/12/hillary-clintons-claim-that-the-highest-per-capita-number-of-crime-guns-in-new-york-come-from-vermont/",
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"content": "No one lost any votes campaigning against guns in NYC -- Michael Bloomberg.",
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"content": "Yeah, defending absolute lies. Great job!",
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"content": "https://www.facebook.com/anthony.beecher/videos/10154075200144362/?pnref=story\n\nThis MSNBC clip says everything you need to know about this issue. Confoy is really forcing it on this one, per usual.",
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"content": "http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/12/gun-shy-how-the-washington-post-fumbled-to-protect-bernie-sanders-outrageous-defense-of-lax-gun-laws",
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"content": ">That’s actually one of the smallest raw numbers of any of the 15 highlighted states -- beyond New York itself, the biggest states in raw numbers of guns were Virginia, Georgia and Pennsylvania. These states, especially Virginia, are more commonly associated with the **\"Iron Pipeline\" that some analysts have described in which guns flow up Interstate 95, from southern states with looser gun laws to northern states with stricter laws.**\n\nHer statement was intentionally misleading at best. It blurs and makes it more difficult to deal with the very real problem of gun traffickers.\n\n>Physically, the term \"Iron Pipeline\" denotes Interstate Highway 95 and its connector highways. It is dubbed so by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), as well as politicians, law enforcement officials,[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] and organizations such as Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The latter organization produced a report in 2010 based on information provided by ATF, and concluded that \"in 2009 ten states (Arizona, California, Georgia, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia) supplied almost half the interstate-trafficked guns recovered at crime scenes\".[14]",
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"content": "Indeed. Intentionally misleading AT BEST.",
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"content": "I call it outright dishonest and I call this fact check article a joke. \n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/YrSDRVJ.jpg",
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"content": "http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/12/gun-shy-how-the-washington-post-fumbled-to-protect-bernie-sanders-outrageous-defense-of-lax-gun-laws",
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"content": "http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/12/gun-shy-how-the-washington-post-fumbled-to-protect-bernie-sanders-outrageous-defense-of-lax-gun-laws",
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"content": "https://www.facebook.com/anthony.beecher/videos/10154075200144362/?pnref=story\n\nGet your sensationalist crap out of here. I hope she tries to spew this at the debate, because if she does, she's in for a rude awakening.",
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"content": "Per capita is what matters. They are by far the worse. Of course one of the smallest states would have less. What an incredibly uneducated thing to say. When you ever go to college, you can learn cool things like that.\n\n",
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"content": "No one lost any votes campaigning against guns in NYC -- Michael Bloomberg.\n\n",
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"content": "You and your candidate need to be reminded that Bernie is for gun control. Outright lying is not the way to earn votes. ",
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"content": "He was starting in 2015 at least. Before that? A slave to the gun manufacturers. Hear the mothers of Newtown crying? That is why he can't win CT.",
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"content": "> A slave to the gun manufacturers.\n\nMan, you're a sad puppet.",
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"content": "Lol! ",
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"content": "MC that is kind of gross",
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"content": "[Even MSNBC called out this lie for what it is - shameless twisting of the truth by Hillary](https://www.facebook.com/anthony.beecher/videos/10154075200144362/?pnref=story). Of all the states in the US, Vermont ranks at 49 in terms of being the original location of guns used in crimes in other states. The only lower state? HAWAII. \n\nVermont ranks 13 in terms of states where guns are used in the commission of crimes in NY. Less than 1% of the grand total. The \"per capita\" number is COMPLETELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT, and if you can't see that, then you're willfully disregarding the facts here.\n\nGood god, Hillary supporters, are you really going to keep pushing this? Because it is, without question, the most outlandish lie you and your candidate have pushed to date.",
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"content": "Per capita is what matters. They are by far the worse. Of course one of the smallest states would have less. What an incredibly uneducated thing to say.",
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"content": "Per capita *does not mean shit*. The sum total of guns is the only thing that matters. Just because more people own guns doesn't mean more guns were used - otherwise you'd have the sum total number on your side.\n\n**Unfortunately for you, that number IS NOT on your side.** So, you resort to distortion.",
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"content": "Sure, so NYC having the most crimes with the highest population would make it more dangerous than a town of 5 people having a crime every day while NYC has say 50 crimes a day? Right. Sum total is only thing that matters. Maybe if Bernie gets elected, that free college will come in handy.",
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"content": "Watch the MSNBC clip. Really. The tone is rightfully somber because the claim made by Hillary is nothing more than a specious and misleading distortion of the truth.\n\nMoreover, your condescending remark regarding how I could benefit from free college is both distasteful and misplaced. I have a B.A. and - more importantly - a J.D. from a T-25 institution, which provides me with eons more reassurance as to my intellectual capacity/general competence than a few comments from your truly sad online persona could ever hope to take away.",
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"content": "If a city with 50 people had 1 murder, it would be the most dangerous city in the world. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Why should per capita be relevant in this case? There were 50 guns traced from Vermont? Does that sound like a booming black market to you? GTFO",
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"content": "No it is not.\n\nIt can not be contested until after the first ballot if one candidate does not have a majority. The super delegates will vote in the first ballot. One candidate will most certainly have a majority. It is almost statistically certain that one candidate will. \n\nIt would have to be like 49.5% to 49.5% with others getting one percent. That is not going to happen. \n\n",
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"content": "Even Nate Silver has admitted that it's very likely that neither candidate will have the 2,383 delegates needed to win the nomination. This thing is going to go right down to the very end. ",
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"content": "He is talking about not having the amount of pledged delegates to reach 2383. He is not including the superdelegates when he says that. The 700 or so superdelgate will vote on the first ballot. That will easily put one of the candidates over.\n\nYou only have two people running. How can one not get 50%?",
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"content": "Those super delegates are going to have to look at the delegate count, each candidate, and make a deliberate decision. It would be a mistake to assume that it's going to be easy or quick. ",
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"content": "Even if they do make this miraculous switch, they will vote for one candidate or the other on the first ballot. And one candidate will have the 50%. There is virtually no chance for a contested convention. Someone will win outright on the first ballot. It would have to end up 49.8% to 49.8% The chance of that happening is virtually nil. One of the candidates will have 50%",
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"content": "Okay. I won't argue with that. But either way, I'm interested in watching how this turns out. ",
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"content": "Should be interesting. Stock up on the popcorn. :D",
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"content": "And how! :D",
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"content": "Source?",
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"content": "Now when I want an expert on politics, who do I turn to, not the author of this nonsense, Seth Abramson, Assistant Professor of English at University of New Hampshire; Series Co-Editor, Best American Experimental Writing",
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"content": "Thanks for sharing. \n\nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/the-democrats-10-point-plan-lose-election_b_9605608.html",
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"content": "Every presidential candidate should release the transcripts from their paid industry speeches. ",
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"content": "How about love notes to their spouse too?",
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"content": "Heh. That's hilarious. \n\nHillary Clinton earns more from one or two speeches than the median American household earns in ten years. She's whispering sweet nothings alright, and we need to know what she's saying. ",
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"content": "Last I checked taxes are more personal than speeches, which are made to be told to groups of people. ",
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"content": "Oh, he'll be releasing his tax returns. And you can make a safe assumption as to when. ",
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"content": "If they are politically relevant*, yeah. \nIf not, you can keep them. \n \n*If any of them were written with a 6 figure payout, they are politically relevant.",
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"content": "That's a made up standard. ",
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"content": "Relevance is made up? ",
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"content": "Yes, indeed. \n\nThat one is. When has it been an issue in previous campaigns? ",
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"content": "Well, it's an issue because it's a conflict of interests. \nI'm sure if you think real hard you can come up with a time when a conflict of interest was politically relevant in previous campaigns.",
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"content": "And remarks regarding Communist regimes. ",
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"content": "Yeah, that asswipe of a publication supports HRC. Big surprise! We didn't see that coming from miles away! \n\nAlso, this: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-clinton-paid-double-sanders-net-worth-speeches-article-1.2598017?cid=bitly",
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"content": " #feelthebernedoutinterview",
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"content": "I don't think you really want to start a twitter war with Sanders supporters. It hasn't exactly gone well for your candidate in the past. ",
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"content": "Oooh a twitter war,\n\nI prefer the war that actually matters.\n\nMaybe if Sanders supporters spent less time on Twitter and more time organizing, their candidate would not be losing so badly. ",
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"content": "Regardless of who they endorsed, I would take them too seriously.\n\nEdit: **wouldn't** take them too seriuosly",
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"content": "I *wouldn't* either. They're kind of a tabloid publication. ",
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"content": "Exactly. ",
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"content": "Sorry, but that's snobbish to look down one's nose at a newspaper printed in tabloid format. The NY Daily News is *not* the NY Post. It may not be glamorous like the NYT nor favored by the intelligentsia, but it's the newspaper favored by average, working New Yorkers.\n\nIt has the fourth highest circulation of any newspaper in the United States. It's the paper you'll see being read on public transit in New York by ordinary folks who live ordinary lives -- *that's* why it's in tabloid form, because ordinary folks read newspapers on buses, trains, and subways.\n\nTo be endorsed by a newspaper with the fourth highest circulation in America isn't anything to sneeze at. This was a major coup by the Clinton campaign and no attempt to snobbishly diminish it will cancel the positive effect it has for her at the ballot box.",
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"content": "> I would take them too seriously\n\n?",
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"content": "He obviously meant to say \"wouldn't\". ",
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"content": "The senility is kickin' in.",
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"content": "Hey I'm old. Give me a break.\n\nhttps://stonybrookstories.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/old-man-on-computer.jpg",
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"content": "You should take them seriously. \n\nThey are a powerful paper in NY.\n\nThey are not a trashy paper like the Post. \n\nReal NYers know what's up. ",
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"content": "They could be actually. I think I was mistaking them for the Post.",
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"content": "They got a little trashy to survive, \n\nbut in terms of politics, sports and corruption scandals they are excellent. \n\nOwned by Mort Zuckerman and he wants it to be taken seriously. ",
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"content": "Yea being from the left coast, I don't know much about them.",
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"content": "Download their app if you like. ",
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"content": "Let's ban all speech that disagree with us! -/r/democrats",
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"content": "Yeah, punishing fraud is a terrible idea! ",
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"content": "Fraud is:\n\n>wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.\n\nIt's only fraud if you don't believe what you're saying -- you can't criminally deceive someone if you yourself believe what you're saying.",
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"content": ">It's only fraud if you don't believe what you're saying \n\nr/badlegaladvice/top ",
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"content": "Eh, no. Fraud requires you to intentionally mislead someone. Fraud requires mens rea.",
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"content": "I'm sorry you're honor. I truly believed that I had $500,000 in my checking account. ",
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"content": "And if you believed that you did, then it's not fraud. And if you're someone who regularly has over $500k in their checking account (though this is a dumb practice) then other factors notwithstanding there's not proof that you intended to write a bad check.\n\nA similar example: when my wife and I were just married and we got an apartment together, I had deposited a check at Wells Fargo. Our rent was around $900 and without that check we wouldn't be able to cover rent. I was told there would possibly be a 3 day hold on the check. 5 days later we gave our rent check to the land lord and when they cashed it there were insufficient funds. When we checked our account online, it said we had more than our rent check was for.\n\nDue to some reason they put a 7 instead of the 3 day hold on the check we were told and the online banking page didn't reflect the fact that part of our money was still in a hold.\n\nDid we engage in wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain? Did we commit fraud?",
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"content": "But you actually had that money. You didn't just *believe* that you had it. ",
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"content": "But I didn't have the money. The bank had the money and I believed I had access to it.\n\nAnother example actually happened to my dad. It was a case of identity theft that emptied and overdrew his checking account. When he tried to pay his utilities and all his checks bounced, did my dad commit fraud?",
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"content": "No your dad was robbed. \n\nArguing that one actually believing something is an excuse for a crime isn't the same as either of those situations. Both of you didn't just believe that something was true but you actually had evidence to back it up.",
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"content": "> Arguing that one actually believing something is an excuse for a crime isn't the same as either of those situations. \n\nSo then what do you think fraud is?",
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"content": ">In essence, fraud is the intentional deception of a person or entity by another made for monetary or personal gain. Fraud offenses always include some sort of false statement, misrepresentation, or deceitful conduct.\n\nIf a company has spent millions on research that greatly supports the models of climate change and then lies to their stockholders and the public, that's fraud. If a company that routinely deals with scientific research and scientific concepts pretends that the overwhelming scientific concensus is wrong for the sake of profit, that's fraud. \n",
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"content": "That's a very specific subset of \"climate deniers\".",
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"content": "[And yet they exist.] (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/) ",
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"content": "And yet they're committing criminal acts because of fraud not because they deny climate change is happening/being largely contributed to by humans.",
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"content": "Bwah!",
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"content": "Rather skipping down a slippery slope of censorship, how about we increase the science curriculum from elementary school onward?\n\nGlobal warming is less complicated than baseball and Game of Thrones. We just need people to know a bit of relatively basic chemistry.",
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"content": "It's so dismal she crushes everyone except maybe Kasich. \n\n",
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"content": "http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-voters-split-between-clinton-trump-hypothetical-november-matchup-n554306\n\nyesterdays numbers don't look so promising",
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"content": "Oh noes! Only a split of 7 points!\n\nAnd we only have several more months. ",
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"content": "and she keeps falling, reminds me of mondale and dukakis.",
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"content": "So what does that say about Bernie, when he is getting crushed? ",
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"content": "but he consistently beats the rethugs by more. it could be that the democratic establishment is more \"for sale\" than ever before.",
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"content": "When has he ever beaten them in 30 years? ",
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"content": "every single time-look at his win record, and we're not talking about a \"served up\" open seat.",
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"content": "Really? Every time? \n\nHe must have just tried once in 40 years.\n\nSo he'e the NY Knicks of politics. ",
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"content": "When in his 30 years has Sanders ever beaten the GOP on legislation?\n\nI'll wait... ",
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"content": "This is why\nhttp://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/13/hillary-clinton-blames-de-blasio-controversial-colored-people-joke/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29",
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"content": "Don't post rightwing brain diarrhea here. \n\n",
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"content": "Clinton is Romney (D).\n\nRomney was a smart guy. Decent manager. But no one trusted that he had any core beliefs.\n\nClinton is smart. Knowledgeable. And I - a life-long Dem voter (I voted for Bill in 92 and 96) - think she says different things to each audience and cannot be trusted to even *try* to make good on her campaign claims.\n\nClinton will have as much enthusiasm as Romney, and if the GOP manages to pick anyone but Cruz or Trump, we're all fucked.\n\nI don't think the r/democrat Clinton fans realize - despite all the polls - how weak she is.\n\nI want Sanders because I want the Dems to WIN. Clinton is, out of 300,000,000 Americans, the one most able to motivate casual Republicans to get the polls regardless while at the same time demotivating millions of Dem activists.",
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"content": "well stated! i am in complete agreement.",
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"content": "parading tragedy for political gain. clinton is soooo classy!!! i'm with her->hrc2016!!!",
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"content": "And yet it was okay when Bernie did it. ",
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"content": "clinton=classy",
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"content": "Her supporters aren't stalking super delegates either, don't forget that part. ",
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"content": "clinton=classy/integrity",
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"content": "She doesn't admire Ortega, that's for sure. ",
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"content": "classy/integrity=clinton=above reproach with no questions about her ethics i'm with her->i'm with her hrc2016",
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"content": "She is certainly well-vetted and didn't just appear out of nowhere and pretend to be a Democrat. ",
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"content": "Oh noes! Not Diana Frank! \n\nWe're doomed! ",
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"content": "This is surprising, since Hillary supports the policies that brought about police militarization and mass incarceration of young men of color.\n\nMore on this:\nhttps://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/\n",
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"content": "The same one Bernie supported? ",
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"content": "Not that surprising considering they get to travel and eat great food for free. I know I'd take a free trip around the country in first class. \n\nIf you were a mother of such a terrible tragedy you would likely take any opportunity you can get to voice your opinion about police violence. Mrs. Clinton may or may not be their first choice, but its definitely not their last choice.\n\nAlso notice that these are mothers in high profile shootings. To give Clinton's campaign credit, they are very good at things like this.\n\n> The gathering, held without aides or journalists present, stretched into a nearly three-hour dinner over pork chops and gravy, fried okra and rice. After dessert of apple pie, Mrs. Clinton encouraged the women to organize and travel the country with her campaign.\n\nHow did Clinton \"encourage\" them? What was said at the dinner? Did all the mothers agree or were some sent home? Am I just being overly skeptical because its super hard to trust politicians? We will likely never know.",
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"content": "I would turn to Trump before Hillary but I dont play \"Lesser of 2 Evils\", Trumps positions more closely match Sanders. However, if Bernie isn't on the ballot, I will likely vote 3rd party before I would vote Trump. I truly feel like the Dem Party has completely abandoned the voters.",
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"content": "> Trumps positions more closely match Sanders.\n\nI find this an interesting statement. \nWhat positions do you feel they both share?",
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"content": "Universal health care is the big one, I'd say.",
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"content": "Trump and Bernie share important beliefs, anti-campaign finance law, anti-TPP, and in favor of closing loopholes in the tax code and campaign finance reform. Trump also wants to bring down the cost of college. While it's not everything you want, I believe Trump may be more effective at getting those things through a hostile congress, he can and will use the media and every dirty trick available to pass what he wants.\n\nI trust Bernie to not flip flop on these issues, I don't trust Hillary since shes in the pocket of the establishment. I know Trump is not an ideal candidate but I trust him more than Hillary, not that I would vote for either, I would rather vote 3rd party if I cant vote Bernie.\n\nhttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/",
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"content": "You are clueless as to Trump's position. \n\nHe is not in favor of over-turning CU, nor closing loopholes. \n\nTo say you trust him more than Hillary shows you need to do more research. ",
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"content": "Perhaps it is you that needs to research:\n\nEven from a mainstream news source that's clearly against trump:\n\nhttp://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-wrong-about-basically-everything-except\n\nFWIW, I am not a Trump supporter, I'm still BernieorBust, but at least I can research an issue",
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"content": "No where has Trump said he would over-turn CU.\n\nHe talked about \"special interests\". That was only to boost himself. \n\nHe promises to appoint very conservative judges recommended by the Heritage Foundation. \n\nGet a clue. He and Bernie are not on the same side with ANYTHING. \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "http://www.progressive.org/news/2015/08/188280/donald-trump-campaign-finance-reformer\n\nEven if I was to assume Trump isn't as adamant about it as you would like, Hillary is literally willing to do anything for money, even willing to attend Trumps wedding. She is one of the largest beneficiaries of campaign contribution lobbying EVER. There is no question where she actually stands on the issue, she took the money, and keeps taking the money regardless of the source",
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"content": "Citizen's United was about an attack on Hillary. ",
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"content": "Actually Jill Stein is closest to Bernie's policies, so if you don't live in a purple state and the Queen of the Super PACs gets the nom, go for it.",
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"content": "Love Jill Stein !",
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"content": "if we cant fix it (Bernie) then burn the fucker down (trump) and start over.",
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"content": "Yeah. Clinton won't roll back voting rights, gay rights, (most) environmental protections, or appoint a conservative nutjob to the Supreme Court.\n\nIt's fine to say \"burn the fucker down\" until you spare a thought for the burn victims.",
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"content": "This shit is why both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump doesn't get much support among Hispanic or Latino Americans or African Americans. Polls show that those ethnic groups currently have a high rate of satisfaction in their standard of Living in America. Sure America has got it's problems, but we can solve them, and neither Hispanics nor African Americans really wants to tear the system apart after they finally started to see real gains in the social status of their own ethnic groups. Not white people though, on the Democratic side they're ready to go full on socialist to protect the benefits they've always enjoyed and now fear are slipping away and on the Republican side they're voting for Trump to tear the whole thing down and replace it with one that will put them back in power.\n",
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"content": "Not disagreeing yet, but Id appreciate at least one link to these polls you are referring to regarding the minorities high rate of satisfaction ",
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"content": "That doesn't make any sense, white people have a higher satisfaction with their standard of living than those groups ",
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"content": "It's not about satisfaction, its about not wanting to risk what they have. ",
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"content": "I really don't want to vote for HRC, but I'm not flippin' insane.\n\nUnless the GOP nominates Tom Campbell (slightly less likely than the Dems nominating Zell Miller), I'd vote for Clinton over the GOP.\n\nNow, volunteering, donating, etc... that's something else. I think I would tune out from the POTUS election completely if Clinton is the nominee. I suspect the same of most Sanders supporters, because Clinton does not hold enough of the values we do.\n\nPoor Confoy will have no one to troll on r/democrats.",
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"content": "> ...if Clinton is the nominee. I suspect the same of most Sanders supporters, because Clinton does not hold enough of the values we do.\n\nThis is how I feel as well but for the record Trump is not exactly the typical GOP either, hence why he is getting the same MSM treatment Bernie does.\n",
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"content": "it's not the same, trump gets actively criticizes, sanders just gets ignored.",
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"content": "Why would she need this if she was against money in politics:\n\nhttp://gawker.com/clinton-donor-confirms-presence-of-static-noise-machine-1770511652",
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"content": "But, but the socialists aren't!\n\n#PeelTheFern ",
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"content": "leadership=clinton!!! hrc2016! except when it comes to releasing the transcripts, then she would prefer to follow. Following 2016!!! hrc",
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"content": "And Sanders can't even release a tax return. \n\nTranscripters are the new Birthers. ",
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"content": "released->where are the transcripts?\n\ntransparency=clinton!! hrc2016",
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"content": "When have POTUS candidates ever released their private speeches?\n\nMade up Standards = Birtherism \n\nTax Returns? \n\nStandard protocol for POTUS candidates.\n\nDouble-Standards? = Birthers\n\n\nTranscripters = Birthers\n\n\n\nLogic. Use it. ",
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"content": "http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26/washington-post-confirms-hillary-clinton-started-the-birther-movement/\n\nclinton=integrity=birther movement->hrc2016",
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"content": "Sanders supporters linking Breirbart?\n\nYou've gone full wingnut. LMAO",
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"content": "it's a wapo reference",
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"content": "Then link WaPo. \n\nWhy are you hanging out at Breitbart?\n\nYou're busted, phony. ",
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"content": "https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/15/sanders-to-release-full-2014-tax-returns-showing-just-more-than-200000-in-income/\n\nhere you go racist!",
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"content": "Only 2014?\n\nWhat's he hiding? \n\nHillary released 30 years worth. ",
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"content": "transparent=clinton hrc2016",
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"content": "Losing = Sanders 2016",
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"content": "honesty, transparency, integrity, fracking, clinton! i'm with her! hrc2016 real solutions for real corporations (people)",
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"content": "Exploiting dead black folks since February 2016 (and never mentioning any minorities before 2016) - Sanders 2016. ",
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"content": "since 1963. you are atrocious and a racist.",
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"content": "Yes, please smear the victors some more.\n\n",
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"content": "amazing-hiding in plain sight.",
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"content": "Big so what. Nothing illegal. Sounds like a bargain to me.",
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"content": "for teneo, you are correct, you don't mind corruption though, this is becoming clearer and clearer.",
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"content": "This is not corruption, son. ",
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"content": "integrity=clinton!! hrc 2016!",
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"content": "I don't know why Sander Pandas think hashtags are a substitute for a refutation. \n\nIt's similar to the Trumpster Dumpsters using \"MAGA\": \n\nAt least Trump is actually winning his primary. ",
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"content": "humble, consistent, leadership, clinton->i'm with her hrc2016!!!",
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"content": "Maybe you can get a stupid red cap and put that slogan on it. \n\nThen you will be full Trump. ",
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"content": "voted the most honest politician of 2016=hillary clinton\n\n\"if honesty matters then clinton is your candidate\"\n\nhrc2016",
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"content": "In other news, Sanders used campaign funds to pay his own family members more than $150,000.\n\nhttp://www.progressivestoday.com/bernie-sanders-used-campaign-donations-pay-family-members-2000-2004/",
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"content": "non-story",
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"content": "So this is a \"non-story\" but yours is proof of corruption? \n\nYou must be a conservative Trumpster plant trying to make Sanders supporters look pathetic. ",
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"content": "consistency=clinton!! hrc 2016!!",
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"content": "At least you don't deny it. ",
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"content": "honesty=clinton->hrc2016!!",
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"content": "Gonna be a fun Tuesday. \n\n",
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"content": "gonna be a fun november! fbi is almost ready to call for the indictment",
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"content": "Sure they are. \n\nJust like Sanders is about to take the lead! \n\nHahahahaha",
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"content": "non-story",
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"content": "For no purpose whatsoever. ",
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"content": "Says you. ",
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"content": "Shills probably don't have much respect for those interfering with the free flow of political trade.",
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"content": "Not when its pointless, no. \n\nIt just helps their fweelings. That is not real action. ",
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"content": "Heaven forbid anyone try to participate in our governance as a nation without paying large sums of money.",
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"content": "This is protesting for the sake of. There are 365/12/7 protests in DC. ",
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"content": "There should be protests in DC all day every day. It's a sign of a healthy Democratic Republic. Just because you don't believe in their message doesn't mean that they aren't resolute in their positions.",
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"content": "Getting arrested for such a protest is a mistake. I am not going to pretend differently. ",
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"content": "Can you explain to me what makes you say so?",
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"content": "Why aren't you there? I was.",
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"content": "Don't disparage people who believe in the message but aren't able to participate this time.",
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"content": "We're waiting for your Iama and photos. Anybody can say they were there. Let's see what you did.",
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"content": "I was not leaving 1st Street SE. I could have taken some BS photos of the press trucks, police vans, etc. or gotten out of local people I know that work there. Why bother? You can't get anything unless you are willing to go to the tour line or protest area. Take a look at the east Capital side on Google maps and see where they are in front of the House and Senate steps. You can only walk up there through the tourist entrance now unless you want to get arrested immediately. JFC, I only have to hop on the Metro.",
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"content": "So you weren't actually there. You didn't participate in any way or contribute. There's no difference between you and tourists claiming they were there.",
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"content": "I am not going to get arrested. You want to come get arrested, I'll put you up for the night for free.",
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"content": "that cp time skit with diblasio was funny! her response was funnier->it was diblasio's skit=i was at the klan rally but i wasn't the grand wizard.",
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"content": "How quickly the losers of the primaries are turning against true progressives. ",
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"content": "as a black man i wonder if she has said n@gg#r many times. i bet she has.",
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"content": "You should ask her. ",
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"content": "she'd probably call me a superpredator and try to bring me to heel",
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"content": "If you were rude. ",
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"content": "Why aren't you there?",
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"content": "cause i'm in europe creating jobs and goodwill between nations",
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"content": "Well, good for her. ",
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"content": "Now for Bernard to apologize for Sierra Blanca, Texas, his 10 pro-gun votes, his F-35 fighter votes. Oh, St. Bernard never apologizes for anything, does he?",
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"content": "> St. Bernard never apologizes for anything\n\nBernie is infallible, haven't you heard? That's why he invited himself to speak at a coffee break in the Vatican.\n\nhttp://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/bernie-sandes-is-speaking-at-vatican-for-10-minutes-during-a-coffee-break-pope-wont-be-there/24435/",
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"content": "First Jewish saint.",
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"content": "Too little too late, it's not like she said it when she was 5 years old and we should just forgive it, Or forgive her anti LBGT marriage comments. She was in her mid forties when she said these things. Only reason she is taking it all back now (Iraq war, Super Predators, Honduras, etc) is because she is saying anything to get elected... again\n\nhttps://youtu.be/vGqD8-a-REQ",
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"content": "Honduras? You mean Ted Devine's client that he put into power that tried to become Chavez number 2? Now we know the reason the Sanders crowd gets so worked up about it? What about the blood on blood Bernie's hands? The mothers of Newton, CT cry in the night. I hear their cries, do you? Bernie will hear them when he loses the primary there. So many deaths because of his gun votes. So many innocent children dead because of his votes. [Did you see that Bernie has more blood on his hands today?](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/toddler-shot-in-face-when-gun-stashed-in-moms-purse-goes-off-while-waiting-at-hospital/)",
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"content": "On Honduras, I am referring to this article and the findings that were leaked, as well as the fact that Hillary even removed her own statements when the book went for mass paperback print. Why would she need to remove them? \n\nhttp://m.democracynow.org/stories/16122\n\nThe link you posted, how is this Bernie's fault?",
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"content": "Mrs. Clinton did nothing wrong as far as Honduras. ",
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"content": "As convincing as your post is /s\n\n>More than 100 environmental and land rights activists like Cáceres were killed in Honduras from 2010 to 2015, according to the British organization Global Witness. The country became the homicide capital of the world for several years, with a murder rate topping 90 per 100,000 at its peak in 2011, according to the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime.\n\n>“Hillary [Clinton] and the State Department only wanted the kind of ‘stability’ that was convenient for them regardless of what was happening on the ground,” Cáceres’ nephew Silvio Carrillo said in an email to HuffPost. “This has not changed today and it is the reason you now have had governments operating with impunity.”\n\n>Asked about the omission of the coup passage from Clinton’s memoir, Carrillo accused her of “attempting to scrub away the blood she’s helped to spill along with the Department of Defense and the Department of State.”\n\nThis is what blood on someones hands is:\n\nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-honduras-coup-memoirs_us_56e34161e4b0b25c91820a08",
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"content": "It began when Honduran President Manuel Zelaya planned to hold a poll on a referendum on a constituent assembly to change the constitution. A majority of the government, including the Supreme Court and prominent members of his own party, saw such plans as unconstitutional, as they could lead to presidential re-election, which is permanently outlawed by the Honduran constitution. The Honduran Supreme Court had upheld a lower court injunction against the 28 June poll. However, the constitutional process for dealing with this situation was unclear; there were no clear procedures for removing or prosecuting a sitting president. The crisis culminated in the removal and exile of Honduran President Manuel Zelaya by the Honduran military in a coup d'état.\nDomestic opinion remains very much divided, and there have been demonstrations for and against Zelaya.\nEfforts by Costa Rican President Óscar Arias and the United States to effect a diplomatic solution between Micheletti and Zelaya initially resulted in a proposal by President Arias calling for Zelaya's return to the presidency, albeit with curtailed powers. Arias's proposal also stipulated political amnesty and advanced the Honduran general elections by a month, pushing them to take place in October. In spite of US support for the (dubbed) San José Accord, negotiations ultimately broke down as the two parties were unwilling to come to any lasting agreement. Zelaya also insisted that he would not recognise the elections of 29 November as a precondition to returning to power.\nManuel Zelaya, a businessman born into a wealthy Honduran family, was elected in 2005 as the candidate of the country's historically powerful Liberal Party. Since taking office, Zelaya's economic and social policies earned him praise from labour unions and civil society groups, but alienated him from parts of his own party. which were particularly upset by Zelaya's forging a regional alliance with the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas (ALBA), established by Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez and other leaders in Latin America as a counter to the trade and security policies sponsored by the United States. Zelaya also planned to convert the Soto Cano Air Base (\"Palmerola\"), where one of the three United States Southern Command Task Forces is located, into a civilian airport (it is already in use for many civilian flights because of safety concerns about Toncontín International Airport), partly using financing from ALBA and Petrocaribe. The New York Times reported that much of Zelaya's support was derived from labour unions and the nation's poor, while the middle and upper class feared Zelaya was seeking to establish Hugo Chávez's type of socialist populism with a powerful leader in the country. Zelaya's government was accused of harassing journalists and also accused by The Organization of American States (OAS) of imposing \"subtle censorship\" in Honduras.\nAccording to The Economist, \"Mr. Zelaya's presidency has been marked by a rise in crime, corruption scandals and economic populism.\" By April 2009, a Mitofsky opinion poll showed that, of those consulted, only one in four respondents approved of Zelaya – the lowest approval rating of 18 regional leaders.\nThe United States Department of State condemned the ouster of Zelaya and continued to recognise him as the only constitutional president of Honduras. Although US officials characterised the events as a coup, suspended joint military operations on 1 July, suspended all non-emergency, non-immigrant visas, and cut off certain non-humanitarian aid to Honduras, they have held back from formally designating Zelaya's ouster a \"military coup\", which would require them to cut off almost all aid to Honduras. However, on 24 September, the Law Library of Congress issued a report stating that the Honduran Congress had constitutional power to remove Zelaya from office, but indicating that his expatriation was unconstitutional. The State Department warned the Micheletti government that it might not recognise the results of 29 November elections if Zelaya were not allowed to return to power first, but ultimately recognised the elections at the last second, despite Zelaya not having been returned to power.\n\nThese are the facts. You want to dispute them, come with sources. I can source everything, I have posted here. Everything.\n\n\nOh, and I see this Huffington Post guy has had quite the career at Fox, http://latino.foxnews.com/archive/roque-planas/index.html. ",
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"content": "Notice how you convict based on one person's claim.\n\nSanders supporters are more and more like righties every day. \n\nThey even parrot NRA talking points. ",
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"content": "http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16122",
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"content": "Drama much? ",
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"content": "**Bernie's to do list for today:**\n\n* Go sit in with protesters: Check\n\n* Endorse some women: Check\n\n* Call some big businesses bad: Check\n\n* Insinuate Hillary is unqualified & has bad judgement but deny saying that: Check\n\n* Go to rally and make more promises you can not keep:\n\n",
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"content": "And not contribute any money to getting them elected.",
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"content": "> Sen. Bernie Sanders is endorsing three women running for Congress, and helping to raise money for them, too.\n\n>In fundraising appeals being sent Wednesday, Mr. Sanders asks for contributions to be divided among his campaign and those of Zephyr Teachout of New York, Pramila Jayapal of Washington state and Lucy Flores of Nevada. All three women have endorsed his presidential campaign.\n\nJesus Mike. Would it kill you to RTFA for once? \n\n",
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"content": "> and helping to raise money for them, too.\n\nThat's incredibly feeble fundraising assistance. Co-signing mass spam mailings takes a good half minute at best.\n\nIf only there was a candidate who headlined big fundraisers that brought in hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time for downballot candidates.\n\nOh wait -- there already *is* a candidate who does that. Her name is Hillary Clinton. She takes time out of her hectic campaign schedule to headline fundraisers for congressional candidates all over the country. That's why hundreds of members of congress have all endorsed her. That's why hundreds of superdelegates are voting for her.\n\nThere's more than just a little **\"h\"** that separates \"whining\" from \"winning.\"",
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"content": "Yeah, Bernie's not going to be fundraising for his opponent during the primary race. Thanks for trying though. ",
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"content": "I'm sure after Hillary Clinton is sworn in as President, she'll headline a fundraiser for Bernie Sanders to help retire his campaign debt. The Clintons are always good to Democrats like that, just like the Obamas.",
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"content": "Hillary Clinton has not been good to Democrats or Democratic voters. ",
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"content": "Then why are hundreds of congress members endorsing her if she's bad for her? Why are millions more voting for her than her opponent.\n\nAnd thanks for the downvote.",
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"content": "Because she \"pays\" the superdelegates to vote for her?",
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"content": "I call BS on that.",
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"content": "http://www.poynter.org/2008/how-candidates-pay-superdelegates-in-campaign-contributions/87029/",
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"content": "Fundraising for someone's campaign isn't *paying* them. The money does not go to them *personally* for any *personal expenditures*.",
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"content": "Exactly.",
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"content": "lol, people in glass houses with a stone throwing machine.",
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"content": "Once upon a time a tropical dictatorship, a despot forced his subjects to carve elaborate stone thrones. He soon had so many, he had to store some in the attics of his various huts. One day an earthquake struck, and the dictator's thrones fell through the ceiling, killing him instantly.\n\nThe moral of this story: people who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones.",
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"content": "Considering Hamilton stands for everything he dislikes and his personality, I would bet his wife forced him to go.",
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"content": "I'm really getting a kick out of you, Mike. This is the best so far. Thanks a lot! ",
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"content": "This is really rich. It's just too much. I can't take it. I have to take a moment. I'm laughing too hard! ",
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"content": "Right?, I laughed so hard I nearly split the ass of my tuxedo. ",
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"content": "> split the ass of my tuxedo.\n\nIsn't that a bit dressy for Reddit?",
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"content": "Be fair, the monocle and the top hat would just look silly without it.",
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"content": "Hey we're all going to a Broadway show! $334 a ticket! I hear that the Senator was able to save something like $1,700.",
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"content": "We can save even more money if we sneak in our own candy!",
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"content": "Hey now, that's corruption. \n",
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"content": "I'll look into it!",
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"content": "Does anyone here blame them? ",
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"content": "Well, like most of the Middle East, their own rulers have been more heartless than the US, and when given the opportunity they are more likely to elect militants. \n\nSo at some point, it's also their responsibility. ",
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"content": "Yeah, i have absolutely no doubts about you anymore. ",
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"content": "Asserting they are simpletons who have no responsibility and everything they do or anything that happens is our fault, is misguided and wrong. \n\nThe Palestinians in Gaza made their beds.\n\nThe Iraqis need to stand up and take their country back. ",
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"content": "Like I said, man. There's a party that thinks like you. Why don't you go back to them? ",
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"content": "You mean the Dems?\n\nBecause they are the common sense party. \n\nNot the GOP, who demonizes the Muslims, and not the far left, who demonizes Israel. \n\n",
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"content": "You know exactly what I'm talking about. There are only two parties and your belief system does not fit in here. ",
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"content": "Who are you to tell me whether I fit in here or not?\n\n\n",
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"content": "You and Mike and a few others have been doing it to me and other users for months. \n\nIt serves you right that you get a taste of your own medicine. You're not a \"statist after all\". Remember? ",
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"content": "I'm not. I am an American Liberal. ",
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"content": "I know what you are. Play all of the games you want. I can see right through you. ",
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"content": "Sure, you can. \n\nI have been part of actions and a card carrying liberal for two decades. ",
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"content": "\"liberal\" \n\nIt's interesting what can be done with that word. ",
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"content": "You mean accurately describe it?\n",
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"content": "This just in, Hillary Clinton has only teamed up to try to pretend she had nothing to do with it. ",
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"content": "Any source saying Clinton had something to do with the decisions made by the Republican Arizona Secretary of State? ",
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"content": "No. It's a specious claim without a basis in reality.",
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"content": "Are Sanders supporters still supporting the ridiculous canard that she had anything to do with it?\n\nPlease explain to me how Hillary Clinton had something to do with a voting fuck-up in a state with a Republican governor and legislature, when Republicans are praying Sanders is their opponent in November.\n\nPlease explain to me how this *only* hurt Sanders, when there is literally no way to know how many Clinton and/or Sanders supporters were denied the vote as a result of this.\n\nPlease explain to me why she would do this at all if she had anything to do with it, when it would logically reveal her complicity.\n\nSanders lost, get the fuck over it and stop grasping at straws. \n\n",
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"content": "FUN FACT: The word \"supporters\" is 10 letters long!\r\n\r\nFUN FACT: The word \"supporting\" is 10 letters long!\r\n\r\nFUN FACT: The word \"ridiculous\" is 10 letters long!\r\n\r\nFUN FACT: The word \"Republican\" is 10 letters long!\r\n\r\n",
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"content": "\"Complicity\" as well. ",
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"content": " >declaring a winner in a thread about voter suppression",
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"content": "Hillary Clinton won by 18% in Arizona, and there were a total of 399,097 votes counted. In order to win Sanders would have to win a further 19% of the vote, or 75,828 votes. And EVERY SINGLE ONE of them would have to vote for Bernard.\n\nDo you honestly think 75,828 people were not allowed to vote in Arizona? Do you honestly think every single one would have voted for Bernard? Especially considering that every poll showed him losing by considerable margins.\n\nThe math simply does not support, in any way, a potential upset for Sanders.",
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"content": "there were more than 76K people that didnt get to vote in AZ, we have no way of knowing if he would have won or not. A ton of people just got fed up and left the lines because they didnt have 5 hours to spend on voting.",
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"content": "It's called probability",
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"content": "Probability based on what?",
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"content": "Do you have any sources to back up those numbers?",
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"content": "http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/arizona-election-voter-fraud-bernie-sanders-azelectionfraud-provisional-ballot-maricopa-registration-long-lines/ you asked for a source then downvote me? K. Sorry for destroying your false reality.",
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"content": "Your source does not support your claim of 76,000 people not being allowed to vote.",
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"content": "I think it's absurd to argue she had something to do with it. But I will say that it probably happened to help her out in that situation.",
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"content": "Absolutely not. ",
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"content": "Lower voter turnout helps the conservative, come on you know that.",
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"content": "Clinton is not a conservative. And this was not low voter turnout. And that only applies in general elections.\n\nNot sure you were being sarcastic or not.",
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"content": "Clinton is to the right of Bernie therefore a conservative in that context. There is no arguing this. ~500k out of the 800k that showed up weren't allowed/could not vote for one reason or another, that means a low voter turnout. It applies in all elections from president on down to dog catcher, don't be stupid.",
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"content": "\"Low voter turnout\" means \"People did not show up to vote\", not \"people weren't allowed to vote\". \n\nLow voter turnout helps conservatives because young people don't show up to vote, and elderly gun nuts always do. It does not in any way help a \"more conservative\" liberal.\n\nPeople being turned away means there was *not* low voter turnout. Not to mention there's no reason to think Sanders supporters were somehow singled out to be turned away. This does not in any way help Clinton. \n\nMaybe use some common sense before insulting someone else, and stop grasping at straws while you're at it.",
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"content": "It primarily affected Urban areas where Hillary does best. It hurt Hillary more than Bernie.",
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"content": "This doesn't compare same job roles with same salaries. \n\nThis is a rightwing smear tactic.\n\nTypical of the loser Sanders supporters. \n\n",
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"content": "honesty, integrity, consistency, clinton->i'm with her hrc2016!",
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"content": "Attention: We have a Bernie Bro stuck on repeat. \n\nSay again: Can we have a tech crew here to fix this robot before it leaks all over the floor?\n\n",
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"content": "classy clinton supporter! i love hillary! i love the way she parades dead children for poitical gain!! consistently clinton!!! i'm with her hrc->2016!!!",
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"content": "Parading dead black guys killed by cops is fine with you, though? ",
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"content": "as a black man you are parading false equivalence. your racism is showing, similar to when hillary called bill's campaign manager a \"jew bastard\"\n\nconsistency=clinton! hrc2016!!",
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"content": "Oh noes! You're a black man!\n\nI know you may think that is special, considering how few of you there are in Sanders' corner. \n\nBut that doesn't place you above criticisms of hypocrisy.\n\nYou didn't mind when Sanders used a tragedy for political gain?\n\nLittle dead kids less important to you? ",
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"content": "so you are comparing the plight of a black man to the tragedy of sandy hook? the false equivalence is strong in this one. \n\nconsistency=clinton-> hrc2016",
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"content": "The plight of the black man?\n\nSure there is a plight regarding murders of unarmed black men by police. No doubt. \n\nBut there is also a plight of gun murders of young children of all colors. \n\nDon't whine about one being used for political gain but not the other. \n\nThat's called f*cking hypocrisy. \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "clearly a racist",
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"content": "clearly a child-hater. ",
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"content": "look you racist, why don't you drag the corpses of those children down the street to get votes? hillary is.\n\nhttps://medium.com/@JeanetteJing/secretary-clinton-approved-millions-in-global-sales-for-the-sandy-hook-gun-maker-9e8b0e78c58d#.s05tpzv0b\n\nall the while approving sweet deals for gun manufacturers.\n\nconsistency=clinton hrc2016",
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"content": "Oh noes! Not the Intercept!\n\nThe same pub who says SecStates order kills. \n\nLeftist wingnuttery. ",
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"content": "institutional racism brought to you by the crime bill of 1994 and the clinton cabal\n\nequality through incarceration! i'm with her->hrc2016",
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"content": "It must suck to actually see defeat coming. ",
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"content": "as a black man in america, i have seen racists of your kind for years, and yet i can't help but succeed while you slowly die from the obvious hatred in your heart, which you own, for other races. winning2016",
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"content": "Okay, thanks. \n\nLMAO. \n\n",
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"content": "https://twitter.com/PolitiFact\n\nabsolute lies, typical of clinton\n\nIntegrity=clinton! I'm with her->hrc 2016!",
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"content": "Twitter feeds /= Proof",
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"content": "but you use politifact when it suits you\n\nconsistency=clinton hrc2016!",
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"content": "That wasn't a link to a Politifact article, junior. It was a link to their Twitter feed. ",
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"content": "creating new realities! clinton2016!!",
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"content": "Like the made up reality that Sanders can win? ",
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"content": "God this is pathetic. ",
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"content": "Obama should have done more to push campaign finance reform. I don't see how that protects Clinto though.",
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"content": "If you want to call Hillary a sell-out, you would have to include Obama. \n\nSecondly, you need Congress and an Amendment for campaign finance reform. \n\n",
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"content": "I don't know if you missed it or not but I have no problem criticizing Obama on this particular failure, as evidenced by the comment that you've responded to.\n\nSecond, I know that this is largely a problem that the President alone has little influence over. But this actually touches upon another problem that I have no issue criticizing Obama for: That he was ineffective at motivating the public and applying political pressure to advance his agenda.\n\nIn this instance, campaign finance and money in politics has created a situation in which Hillary Clinton has thrived. Why would I expect her to be concerned about these issues if I'm unconvinced that she even considers these issues a problem?",
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"content": "And that same situation allowed Obama to thrive.\n\nAnd Citizens United was about an attack on Hillary Clinton. ",
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"content": "> And that same situation allowed Obama to thrive.\n\nThis isn't an accurate statement. Citizens United v. FEC was not decided by the Supreme Court of the United States until 2010, two years after President Obama assumed office. [Obama has criticized the decision and its corrupting influence on our political process.](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/21/obama-criticizes-campaign-finance-ruling/) With this in mind, it is *wildly inaccurate* to suggest that the context in which these people are operating is the same.\n\n> And Citizens United was about an attack on Hillary Clinton.\n\nThe specific context of the situation was about an attack on Hillary Clinton. The legal implications of the decision, however, have benefited no one more than Hillary Clinton. I fail to see how this can be used in any meaningful way to shield Clinton from criticism of her extensive coordination and affiliation with Super PACS and unrestricted financial support.\n",
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"content": "False and false. \n\nObama ran again for POTUS in 2012, didn't he?\n\nAnd did he not receive more money from Wall Street than anyone? Did he not have SuperPACs spending tons of money to support him?\n\nSo Obama did indeed thrive, and could be the most successful so far in terms of using the new rules (since Hillary has not been elected yet.). \n\nSo you can't attack Hillary without attacking Obama, which is an issue with most of Sanders' platform. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> False and false.\n\nCan you please highlight what specifically you believe is false about what I stated?\n\n> Obama ran again for POTUS in 2012, didn't he?\nAnd did he not receive more money from Wall Street than anyone? \n\n> Did he not have SuperPACs spending tons of money to support him?\n\n> So Obama did indeed thrive, and could be the most successful so far in terms of using the new rules (since Hillary has not been elected yet.).\n\nI think that this argument is a bit of a stretch. Obama has one successful election in which he followed election rule and law that was much more favorable to the majority of the citizens of the United States. He had a victory after election rule and law shifted in favor of moneyed interests. With the exception of his first presidential debate performance, it couldn't be said that he was an uninspiring candidate that failed to connect. And, at no point could it be said he needed this influx of cash to prop up a lukewarm campaign. These are criticisms of Clinton's current campaign (and Clinton herself as a candidate) that even she has conceded.\n\n> So you can't attack Hillary without attacking Obama, which is an issue with most of Sanders' platform.\n\nOf course you can. There are a myriad of differences between the two, between the campaigns, and between the political context of the elections we're talking about. \n\nAdditionally, I don't know why you feel Obama is above criticism. Certainly his tenure as president has had its fair share of controversy, and there is room for fair criticism of many of his policies.",
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"content": "The point is the smears targeting Clinton could be applied to Obama.\n\nAnd the hardcore Bernie supporters would smear Obama as well. \n\nBut they avoid that because they know Obama is still popular with Dems.\n\nYou can complain about \"context\" but this was only four years ago. \n\nAnd in 2012 plenty of people were saying Obama was in trouble. \n\nAnd yes, he needed all that PAC money to win.\n\nSo you can't have it both ways. If Clinton is a \"corporatist\" (whatever the fuck that means) then Obama is a corporatist. \n\nBut Sanders and his supporters would never dare attack Obama like that, because it would reveal how non-Democrat they really are and they would lose by even bigger margins.\n\nSo yeah, its relevant. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Why did you retype everything that you claimed already without providing any additional supporting evidence or arguments and without bothering to answer my question?\n\n> Can you please highlight what specifically you believe is false about what I stated?\n\nYou can make whatever simple-minded arguments you want to justify your opinions. My views are well thought out, and I've explained them. I know I'm not going to persuade you, but I feel like I've made a pretty strong case.\n",
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"content": "You said the criticism applying to Obama wad not appropriate because he ran before the 2010 decision. \n\nWhich is a false statement because he ran in 2012 and used dark money to its fullest potential.\n\nThen you said it didn't apply to him because he has criticized it. \n\nWhich is irrelevant since Clinton has criticized it. Even before Obama did (since the case was originally about dark money trying to stop her 2008 run).\n\nThen you said the ruling has benefitted no one more than Clinton.\n\nWhich is a false statement because she did not use them in 2008 (because it will not legal yet) and she has not won this year. \n\nObama has benefited most by the ruling because he has been the only person who has won and used SuperPACs.\n\nI thought I was pretty clear the first time. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> You said the criticism applying to Obama wad not appropriate because he ran before the 2010 decision.\n\nNo I didn't. I said that the comparing the two on this issue isn't entirely accurate.\n\n> Which is a false statement because he ran in 2012 and used dark money to its fullest potential.\n\nI never said he didn't. I also said that criticism of Obama for this reason is valid. Believe it or not, I think Obama's presidency was deeply flawed in many ways. Not as flawed as Bill Clinton's, but still severely limited.\n\n> Then you said it didn't apply to him because he has criticized it.\n\nIf that's the impression you got, then you mistake my intentions. I was highlighting the fact that this is an inherently corrupting factor in our political system. Am I disappointed that Obama and Clinton seem to be ok with normalizing that? Absolutely.\n\n> Then you said the ruling has benefited no one more than Clinton.\n\nI stand by this statement, and I think you'll find that it isn't an uncommon opinion.\n\n> Which is a false statement because she did not use them in 2008 (because it will not legal yet) and she has not won this year.\n\nOnly if you consider one specific dimension in which this might benefit someone.\n\n> I thought I was pretty clear the first time.\n\nYou weren't terribly clear. After reading this response it seems like you aren't really considering what I've said. I don't expect you to agree, but I'm surprised you would dig down and argue without paying attention to what my position actually is.",
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"content": "Okay twist like a pretzel if you like.\n\nI used your own words, \n\n",
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"content": "> I used your own words,\n\nReally, you did? \n\nPlease point to where I said anything \"wad not appropriate.\"\n\nCan you point to me where I said any criticism doesn't apply to Obama because he has criticized the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling?",
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"content": "Fact, he still voted against good gun laws 10 times and got elected thanks to the NRA. The mothers of Newtown are crying in the night and yet he refused to apologize again. They will not forget bloody Bernie, they will not forget.",
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"content": "Paging /u/backpackwayne... \n\nWhy is this garbage allowed? \n\nIt's one thing to hold someone responsible for their actions. It's another thing entirely to use hateful and harmful rhetoric like this. The rules of this sub are somewhat strict and seem to fall more heavily on the side of Sanders supporters. Why is this person allowed to post this crap over and over again? ",
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"content": "I'm not touching this guys. I remove this, he complains. I remove something of yours, you complain. ",
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"content": "I don't say things like this. Ever. If you disagree, please let me know what it was that I said that reaches this level of offensiveness. ",
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"content": "If I even attempt to say what is correct and what isn't, I get blasted. It's just best I stay out it and let you guys duke it out. I get called biased no matter what I do.",
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"content": "I appreciate your honesty. You're too soft. Your colleagues have no problem with censorship. ",
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"content": "Why don't you quit? \n\nWhy not leave these people to their bubble? What purpose are you serving here? \n\nI know you've protected my speech, but in another way you've only extended people's interest in this dead and useless subreddit. ",
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"content": "Me quit? Nah. ",
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"content": "What will you do after? ",
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"content": "The same thing I did before. Try to promote democrats. It will be much easier when we are not arguing with each other.",
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"content": "Bull. The things you let this person say are unforgivable. I may vote for HRC if I have to, but I will do everything in my power to see the DNC destroyed. \n\nThat may seem comical, but it's nowhere near the extremism that exists right now. I wish I could say that this is my party, but I spend more time arguing with Republicans here than anything else. You let them. \n\nWhat do you expect to happen? People will just forget? \n\n",
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"content": "Yep. They forget much quicker than you think. Regardless, I will be here. I don't worry about grudges. ",
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"content": "Grudges are beyond the point now. \n\nYou're telling people that they should expect less from their futures, less for their children. I cannot, and others cannot forgive you. \n\nDo you remember the election cycle of 2014? Why do you think it worked out the way it did?\n\nPlease don't keep doing the same thing. Learn from your mistakes. ",
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"content": "You may have a grudge but I have been through this so many times. You will be surprised how quickly it will be forgotten.",
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"content": "It won't. \n\nWe're actually progressive and we're here to stay. You have your opportunity to also be progressive. Otherwise, we're going to destroy the party. ",
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"content": "Seriously dude. That's childish. But whatever. Democrats have survived far worse than the likes of you. ",
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"content": "> Fact, he still voted against good gun laws 10 times and got elected thanks to the NRA. The mothers of Newtown are crying in the night and yet he refused to apologize again. They will not forget bloody Bernie, they will not forget.\n\nTake some responsibility. ",
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"content": "Oh, but Mrs. Clinton is responsible for 250K deaths in Iraq is OK? Give me a break. That is what brought my statements on. War monger Clinton. Voted for death in Iraq. Well Sanders voted for death of children in America. [You tell me what this means.](http://www.newsweek.com/sandy-hook-parents-bernie-sanders-gunmaker-liability-438738) Tell them it is just crap.",
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"content": "250,000, deaths would be conservative and circumscript. The death toll from the Iraq war will never be known*. \n\nYou're comparing some legislation that had absolutely no connection to Sandy Hook with Hillary Clinton fighting in the Senate and house for an actual war in Iraq. Iraq was a country that posed no threat to the United States at the time. She fought for it. She supported the coup in Honduras, and she supported the bombing campaign in Libya. This woman thinks that the entire world is the checkers board of the US and she's been more than disgusting about her approach at defending that stance. \n\nTell me more about the wars you'd like to wage and fund with American blood, sweat, and tears. ",
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"content": "False on Honduras. Libya was going to hell no matter what. Should we have done nothing? Tell the mothers in Newtown. I am sure they would love to hear from you and Sanders in person. Oh, he doesn't have the guts to meet with them, I forgot about that.",
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"content": "Hillary Clinton's hands are stained red... \n\nWhy do you ask? \n\nBecause of all of the people in Iraq, Honduras, and Libya, and all of the people in the middle east who have suffered directly from her personal policy choices. \n\nIn Iraq the civilian death toll is estimated as high as 600,000. The base minimum is 150,000.\n\n\nAs Americans we've lost around 4,000 of our best and brightest. We've also destroyed the psyche and health* of hundreds of thousands of people. \n\nWhich foreign war is next? When are you going to join, Mike? \n",
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"content": "This is perfection and says it all. Nothing more needs be said. Just repeat this when necessary.",
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"content": "You're right. He's finally honest in the last line. Refreshing. ",
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"content": "\"As you know, I’m only saying these things because I’m a corporate whore and want a job with Hillary.\"",
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"content": "there is no evidence that she’s corrupt, and lots of evidence that she both thinks hard about issues and is willing to revise her views in the light of facts and experience. Those are important virtues — important *progressive* virtues — that seem woefully absent on the other side of the primary.",
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"content": "Even if I accept everything you say as true, there are important places where the Secretary and I come down on the issues differently, after much thought. Maybe those differences will be important in the context of a general election, maybe they won't. They are important in this election, however. \n\nI agree, there's no evidence of corruption, but specific corruption isn't the idea for me. It's my concern over a general bending, through access and attention, of the policy of a potential Clinton administration away from what is best for me, and towards what is best for those with the resources to fund that access. We have, for years, gone after Republicans for the corrupting influence of big money in politics. We know it's not right, however lawful. Perhaps there has been a real shift in that opinion within the party, but I hope not. \n\nAnd I do think that the Senator considers his positions. He has not always been on the right side of history, but he has been often, and I don't think that should be punished. Maybe you disagree with his conclusions, but that doesn't show thoughtlessness, that shows that you disagree. And that's fine. That's to be expected. \n\n",
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"content": "It is hard to say what side of history Sanders has been on given his track record of not doing much in 25 years. His first successful bill was trying to dump Vermont's nuclear waste on Sierra Blanca, Texas and then refusing to even address the people's concerns that lived there. Somehow his unqualified wife ends up as the Vermont representative on the board to decide the location for the nuclear waste yet no explanation for this exists. He consistently voted against gun control bills. He says he has no apologies for voting for the $1.5 trillion waste F-35 fighter for the few jobs it brings to Vermont without mentioning that he also managed to get some based at Burlington Airport and then when people complained about the noise, he said they \"could move\" though their houses are now worth much less. Why didn't he vote to extend unemployment benefits during the height of the recession? Why did he vote for the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 to use FDI money on risky trades which became one of the major fail points in 2008? Why was he asleep at the wheel so long, that he later apologized for, as head of the Senate Committee for Veterans Affairs despite a war in Iraq and Afghanistan? \n\nWhat I see is a man that has focused on getting re-elected more than anything else and a life-time politician. Is there some evidence that this is not true?",
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"content": "Evidence of intention? Unless you have his diary, no. You keep surmising his thought process as though you possess special insight. Where is the evidence of the Secretary's intentions? I can say she is saying whatever she can to gain power to further her financial interests. I can say her career is careerist and no thing else. Where is you proof otherwise? I call nonsense here. This analysis is plain faulty. \n\nAnd here we go, either he was useless, or he did lots of things. You can't have it both ways. Look, I don't think he's perfect. I said that. You cherry picked a couple things that aren't great, and I disagree with your analysis on others. \n\nWe both know where he's been right, or we wouldn't be here. Should I post the 30 Years of Speeches video? Or have you written that off? If you don't want a bold challenge to the business of America being business, but people instead, that's fine. The Secretary will support business and the state first, but The Senator will put the people first in his decision making. That's more important than anything.",
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"content": "When you see Sanders supporters going over the top about “corporate whores” and such, you’re not seeing a mysterious intrusion of bad behavior into an idealistic movement; you’re seeing the intolerance that was always just under the surface of the movement, right from the start.",
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"content": "This. ",
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"content": "No, I mean what you said. ",
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"content": "consistency=clinton hrc2016",
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"content": "Pure nonsense right here.",
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"content": "nope, checks out.\n\nhow about this then?\n\nthecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/clinton-portrays-herself-as-a-pro-gun-churchgoer/\n\nconsistency=hillary hrc2016!!!",
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"content": "Sure is. Selling weapons for foreign military use does not equal selling for murdering civilians like Bernie is OK with.",
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"content": "So what? Foreign arms sales for military use is quite legitimate use of weapons. Selling to civilians like Bernard votes to allow is murder waiting to happen. Look at the blood dripping from bloody Bernie's hands. Why won't he meet with the mothers of Sandy Hook Elementary School? Is he scared? Ashamed? He should be. Can you hear the mothers cry in the night? I can. The voters of Connecticut can.",
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"content": "honduras, syria, iraq, libya, your moral relativism is sickening. blood onyour hands and blood on the house of clinton. the thing is, you just can't \"wipe it clean.\"\n\nhonesty=clinton i'm with her->hrc2016",
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"content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O52jAYa4Pm8",
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"content": "LOL…I've been saying this for months but it's the absolute truth. There is a very, very fine line between the adamant Bernie or Bust crowd and the Fox News crowd.\n\nBoth willing to suspend basic reasoning skills in order to embrace fear and disinformation. Both let their anger and ignorance get in the way of facts. Neither care about the truth when they get down to it; they just want what they want and that's the end of discussion.\n\nI knew whenever those fools started posting shit about Benghazi that they were sliding off into Ron Paul supporter/la-la/never-never land. Good luck with that, guys. Just because you can suspend logic and reason doesn't mean the rest of the nation is going to buy the bullshit you and Fox News are selling.",
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"content": "i wouldn't ever hire someone under fbi investigation for assembly line work. period.",
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"content": "guns for sale right here! step right up and enjoy our double standard shotgun!! moral relativism rifle! honesty handgun!\n\nI'm with her!->hrc2016\n\nintegrity=clinton",
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"content": "This title is misleading... and this article is straight garbage. ",
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"content": "It's nice he finally released one year of returns. Will we be seeing any more?\n\nMeanwhile, Bill and Hillary Clinton have released a total of 39 years of tax returns, all the way back to 1977.\n\nhttps://www.hillaryclinton.com/tax-returns/",
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"content": "The Clintons have been collectively running for president for the past 25 years.",
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"content": "Exaggerate much? Bill Clinton ran in 1992 and won. He ran again in 1996 and won. No Clinton ran for President from 2000 to 2007, or from 2009-2015. Hillary Clinton ran in 2008 and again this year.",
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"content": "Incomplete taxes. No itemized deductions. His home mortgage interest deduction is huge - almost $23,000, way, way above the average $5,000 that even people making over $200,000 get. Jane Sanders reported collecting $4,900 as a commissioner with the Texas Low Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission. WTF? She is still making money of the Vermont tax payer for doing what? How is this her expertise? How did she get this job? Can someone explain this? Is she still trying to get Vermont's nuclear waste dumped on Sierra Blanca, Texas with Bernard?",
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"content": "REALLY? Her massive earnings for 92 short speeches = 21,648,000.00 dollars ! \n \nhttp://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/ \n \nHe makes less in ONE YEAR than Hillary makes in 20 MINUTES talking to Goldman Sachs! \n \nUnless he gives all his money to Nazis : Hillary is using this as way to deflect from her MASSIVE EARNINGS FROM PEOPLE SHE'LL HAVE TO REGULATE!!! wtf",
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"content": "You get paid for what you are worth. How much do other politicians of similar abilities and experiences get paid to do the same? Is she getting paid fair market value? Above? Below?",
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"content": "If she knew she was running ( she did ) this is the kind of ill advised activity she could have waited to do until after the attempt. Poor judgement. \n \nIt may end up knocking her out of the race if ( when ) the Republicans present at the talks release it. I'm sure they are just waiting if she gets by Sanders momentum. Then it would be too late for Sanders to win, and he polls much higher than her against the Republicans. \n \n She is putting ego and money ahead of winning the race for the BLUE team. ",
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"content": "Whatever she said isn't going to be considered a negative to a Republican if Sanders people are so concerned about it. But why haven't you answered the question?",
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"content": "You're kidding. Anyone running for president should have the judgement to not do it. It doesn't matter what the rate is if it is ill advised. LOOK AT THE DAMAGE IT IS DOING AS WE TYPE. \n \nThere is no way for her to undo her poor judgement on it now, just like her voting for W. Bush's fiasco invasion of Iraq. The more you harp on this the more people read about her poor judgment. You should learn to think about your rampant posting effects. Still, I like your history posts.",
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"content": "Well Bernard seems to be able to undo the damage of trying to dump Vermont's nuclear waste on the poor Hispanic town of Sierra Blanca, Texas without asking them. He also seems, well maybe not actually since they don't like guns in NYC and CT, the damage of being a pro-gun guy and refusing to meet with the mothers of Newtown, CT. Actually this is has cost him the black community. The transcripts have not cost Clinton in the black or Hispanic community. They will not cost her in the general election either so what does it matter? Will someone vote Republican because of it? I think not. This is the reason Sanders has dragged his feet on his income taxes. It isn't hurting him with his supporters and at this late date, what does it matter?",
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"content": "his entire income for the year is less than one of her 20 minute speeches - he is not her - thank God ! \n\n \nShe's a greedy idiot for taking all of that tainted money",
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"content": "Who would pay him anything to hear what he has to say? Like this: http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-whiffs-badly-on-another-big-foreign-policy-issue/",
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"content": "Curious to see Sanders' more rabid supporters try to defend this as he presents himself as 'one of them.' \n\nI voted for Sanders and I do not like the fact that he's doing the same typical Washington DC game of 'benefits for me, not for you.' \n\nSanders makes way more money than his average supporter yet he's paying a much, *MUCH* lower tax rate than they do.\n\nAnyone feel like they're getting played yet?",
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"content": "No. He simply didn't overpay. He did nothing illegal. He supports a system that taxes him more. He is not a dictator and therefore doesn't have sole control over what's legal. I think you're confusing a corrupt system with a person that exists within that system. ",
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"content": "That was Mitt Romney's excuse too. But Bernie's deductions are abnormally high. And his effective tax rate is lower than people making his proposed 15 dollar minimum wage.\n\nAlso he didn't extend the same courtesy to GE who also paid an absurdly low tax rate because of the system they exist in. He called them tax cheats.\n\nSo what's right for Bernie isn't right for GE?",
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"content": "As a Hillary supporter I would say that is an unfair attack on Sanders. How poor can we expect people to be? \n\nThat kind of tax rate is typical of someone in that income range. We need to all focus on the policy not someone overpaying their taxes (which the IRS will just return to you). ",
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"content": "Sanders makes a Senator's salary. His income is no concern. \n\nPeople like you will attempt to mischaracterize anything. ",
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"content": "It's a bit misleading to use the percentage of total income as opposed to the percentage of taxable income, the effective tax rate. For Bernie, that's 19.6%, just a little higher than [President Obama's 18.7% rate](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/15/obamas-paid-effective-tax-rate-187-percent-2015/) for this year.\n\n>According to the 2014 returns, the Sanderses paid $27,653 in federal income tax and another $7,903 in Vermont income tax. The couple paid an effective tax rate of 19.6 percent on their federal taxable income of $140,994.\n\n**[Sanders tax return shows about $200,000 in income, some charitable giving in 2014](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/15/sanders-to-release-full-2014-tax-returns-showing-just-more-than-200000-in-income/)**",
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"content": "Jane Sanders reported collecting $4,900 as a commissioner with the Texas Low Level Radioactive Waste Disposal Compact Commission. WTF? She is still making money of the Vermont tax payer for doing what? How is this her expertise? How did she get this job? Can someone explain this?",
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"content": "This may be why they seemingly dragged their heels in releasing the returns.\n\nShe's actually an alternate, not a full commissioner.\n\nhttp://governor.vermont.gov/boards_and_commissions/texas_low-level_radioactive_waste_disposal_compact",
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"content": "It is a sign of the uncovered Vermont political corruption that no one wants to cover. Sierra Blanca and the F-35 fighter at Burlington Airport. How did she get this job that she has had for 25 years now? She has zero qualifications. The same way her husband used the NRA to get elected? Was it a quid pro quo on dumping the waste in Sierra Blanca?",
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"content": "{{crickets chirping}} ",
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"content": "Bernie Sanders (13.4%) paid a lower effective tax rate than Mitt Romney (14.1%).",
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"content": "I'm not a Sanders supporter, but that's the way it should be. Romney earned millions. Higher earners should earn a higher rate, but if you're earning Romney level money, you should pay a *much higher* rate.",
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"content": "Except Slanders paid half of mine. WTF is that?",
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"content": "That's what I don't understand. How are these people paying such low tax rates? I'm paying more taxes on way less income!",
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"content": "But Sanders is \"ONE OF US\" man! He said so himself! He's just a normal, average guy who makes a few hundred thousand dollars and pays a microcosmically low rate on his taxes!",
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"content": "I'm guessing you don't have itemized deductions. As for comparing yourself to Bernie Sanders, he had itemized deductions of ~$56.3K, which amount to about 27.5% of his gross income. He paid an effective tax rate of about 19.1% on his taxable income.\n\nYou can't compare yourself to Romney because he pays an overly favorable tax rate that most ordinary taxpayers can't use. Certain types of investment income have very low tax rates.\n",
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"content": "His home mortgage interest deduction is huge - almost $23,000, way, way above the average $5,000 that even people making over $200,000 get.",
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"content": "A lot of people have commented on that. He's paying almost $2K a month in interest alone. He may have refinanced at some point and kited it all the way up to the resale value with a big mortgage to pay down debt or because their lifestyle exceeds their income. A man his age with his income should have all equity in his house. \n\nAlternatively, they could have a second home, which runs against the image of the \"ordinary guy\" he likes to project.\n\nThe message from that tax return is very clear: they are not good money managers. Not exactly a person you want overseeing the largest budget in the world.",
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"content": "Which is exactly why people are upset that he hasn't released his deductions.\n\nFor someone who wants to raise taxes on everyone, especially people making 6 figures or more like himself, you'd think he wouldn't be deducting so much that he pays an effective tax rate that's lower than people making his proposed 15 dollar minimum wage",
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"content": "I agree with you 100 percent. He released the return as filed with the IRS, which is less than any other candidate has done.",
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"content": "So you'd like to see higher taxes on the wealthy? Good, so would Sanders.\n\nWhat? Do you expect him to pay more taxes than what the government says he owes?",
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"content": "Yeah, I don't think the anger would be that he paid less than Romney; I think the anger would be that Sanders *still* paid a way, way lower than what his supporters are paying. \n\nGuess he's not really 'one of us' after all, right?",
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"content": "/r/manufacturedoutrage",
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"content": "Next 2008, 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 2015",
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"content": "So all the people that Sanders claims to be 'just one of' don't have the right to be upset that someone making over $200,000 per year is paying a tax rate of 13.4%?\n\nThat's way, way lower than the rate of the vast majority of his supporters. Something isn't right in how this works and as a Sanders supporter, I think it's ironic that he is championing the cause of the working class but somehow he's paying much, much less than they are by rate.",
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"content": "Too bad this isn't his complete taxes. We don't know anything about his deductions, assets, etc.",
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"content": "Release the FULL returns.",
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"content": "Release the transcripts! ",
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"content": "Why, so her Republican opponent can misuse them?",
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"content": "She's not running against a Republican. ",
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"content": "After Tuesday, it will be clear that she is.",
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"content": "Watching Hillary supporters try to make a fuss about Bernie's income is hilarious. The Clintons made over $100 million over the last 8 -10 years. ",
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"content": "At least we know what they made over the last 8-10 years, unlike Slanders. It does not include his worksheets that lead to the itemized deductions. Typically these are released by politicians in the interest of transparency to show exactly how they came to their deductions. ",
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"content": "The guy is worth 10% of the average Senator. Is this the hill you want to stand and die on? ",
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"content": "How much is he worth? Can you tell us that?",
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"content": "A Forbers story in February pegged it around $440,000. I have seen reports as low as $330,000, but that seems too low. ",
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"content": "Given it literally takes 10 minutes to fill out the forms to have the IRS do this for you, you tell me why it already hasn't happened? If he can't handle this, what can he handle?\n\nEdit: What I think is more important is Sanders talks to the mothers in Newtown, CT and explain his gun votes like they keep asking him to come and do. After all he has a primary coming up there. I guess transcripts are more important than murdered children though.",
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"content": "http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/nyregion/suit-against-maker-of-gun-in-newtown-massacre-can-proceed-court-rules.html",
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"content": "How Hillary chooses to earn money while not in public office is not much of my concern. But if Bernie is proposing tax hikes while at the same time paying an effective tax rate lower than people making his 15 dollar minimum wage then I'd like to know exactly what he deducted. Something he still hasn't released.",
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"content": "Who made a fuss about income?\n\nPeople were saying he should release his tax returns (more than one) since that's standard protocol.\n\nSanders supporters can invent standards and that's okay.",
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"content": "That's interesting. A married couple's combined annual income is almost as much as 1/3 what Clinton makes in an hour giving pep talks to Gorden Gecko and his pals.",
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"content": "How is it that he can't tell the difference between murder and tax?\n\nHe sounds like one of those libertarian \"taxation is theft\" nut jobs that fell off the deep end.",
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"content": "He isn't making a statement about taxes, he's making a statement about hatred and vilification. ",
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"content": "That statement is generated by what ~~is in his head~~ the most useful propaganda, not reality.\n\nI want no one shot, I want them to pay a fair share of taxes. Reverting tax rates to what they were before Reagan transferred the majority of the burden to the poor and middle class would be a damn good start.\n\nIf you see that as vilification, that is your problem.\n\n",
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"content": "Ok, so you disagree with him, which is fine. But that doesn't mean you need to willfully misrepresent what he is saying. ",
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"content": "He is willfully misrepresenting what Sander supporters are saying. \n\nWhy aren't you decrying that?\n\n",
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"content": "It is clearly hyperbole. Do you really think Clinton thinks Sanders supporters want to kill bankers? His point is that it is unaimed, general vitriol, which is true.",
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"content": "MY point is that Mr Clinton is the one that is ACTUALLY PERSONALLY spreading general vitriol, while pointing at the behaviour of what is most likely trolls that pretend to be part of the sanders movement. \n\nIt amazes me how in a single thought you so easily excuse his hyperbole and believe it. \n\n",
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"content": "Hyperbole? \nOr [Reductio ad absurdum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum)?",
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"content": "You've got that totally backwards.",
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"content": "What he is saying is a straw man argument, as no one is calling for anyone to be shot.",
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"content": "Bill, you really need to chill out.",
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"content": "Well personally, I would have rounded up every last bit of the civilian leadership and military brass and hung every last one of them... \n\nWell, that was after the civil war. Of course, I also don't think it's a good idea to put all black people on ships and send them back to Africa. What do I know? Clinton loves Lincoln. I love American history. \n\nI wouldn't put people from Wallstreet to death. I'd put them in prison for five or ten years. \n\nHow about this... Everyone does a minimum of four years. Then they can start to understand what it's like to be a member of the US Armed Forces?",
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"content": "No lies detected.",
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"content": "Sounds like something Trump would say. Not sure why Bill has to attack Bernie's supporters, many of whom are fellow Democrats. No one should be attacking anyone else's supporters, especially within our party. Attack the candidate if you want, not the people.",
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"content": "He's not wrong. I've heard plenty of Sanders supporters who fantasize about bringing out the guillotines. They've vilified wallstreet into something inhuman and the cause of our problems big and small.",
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"content": "It's important to keep in mind this was just a joke. It's a bit stupid and it's symptomatic of a larger trend among neoliberals like Clinton kissing Wall Street's ass, but it's not exactly a declaration of war.",
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"content": "and he'd rape every third woman. disgraceful.",
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"content": "Of course I wouldn't do that. It's against the law.",
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"content": "/#WallStreetLivesMatter",
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"content": "awesome.",
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"content": "“There are few signs...\"\n\nExcept for the changing polls. Except for the swell in the grassroots effort. Except for Hillary's terrible performance in the debate. Except for the people. \n\nWhen the people are in your way, you're wrong. ",
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"content": "> Except for the changing polls.\n\nNBC/WSJ/Marist did two likely voter polls in the last week that showed Hillary Clinton's lead over Bernie Sanders has *grown* in the last five days alone.\n\nhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_democratic_presidential_primary-4221.html\n\nhttp://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new-york-democratic/\n\n>Except for the swell in the grassroots effort.\n\nSubjective. HRC has had a homestate grassroots effort in NY for 15 years.\n\n>Except for Hillary's terrible performance in the debate.\n\nEntirely subjective. Most seasoned political journalists said Hillary won the debate. /r/hillaryclinton has all of them.\n\n>Except for the people.\n\nYou mean crowds? Crowds are fun but are irrelevant. Bernie had huge crowds in Florida and Georgia then went on to lose both states badly.\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "I look forward to disappointment from you. \n\nI don't understand why you would want to be a source of disappointment, but so be it. ",
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"content": "Don't count your lizards before they've hatched.",
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"content": "Baby, my lizards have all hatched. Don't you dare tell me what to do with them. ",
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"content": "Unfortunately before the Clinton winning debate, 538 of course: \n\nUPDATED 5:15 PM EDT | APR 15, 2016\n\nAccording to our latest polls-plus forecast, Hillary Clinton has a 99% chance of winning the New York primary.\n\nClinton: 57.8%\n\nSanders: 39.6%\n\nIf you believe in a so called higher power, I suggest you begin hourly prayers to said deity. ",
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"content": "Thanks for giving us the update from the right. ",
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"content": "How does someone that was a senator for New York for a couple of terms have more of a \"home turf\" advantage than someone that was born there and lived the first 19 years of his life there?",
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"content": "Irrelevant. Only upstate does Bernard lead. Where there are people of color that don't like guns, he doesn't. Bernard's rally in Washington Square is the first time I have seen Washington Square look like a KKK cookout. We have seen the 538 numbers, now let's check the betting numbers from the UK. Here you can, but won't, put your money where your BB mouth is: \n\nClinton: 1/25, Sanders: 8/1 $1 bet gets $8 if he wins! Go for it.\n",
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"content": "Nice how you downvote a question. And avoid answering it like a trained politician. ",
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"content": "loved the 1994 crime bill-institutional racism brought to you by the clintons.\n\nhrc2016!",
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"content": "The same one Bernie voted for.",
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"content": "Bernard called the black criminal sociopaths. When is he going to apologize do you think? Oh, we know, he never apologizes. ",
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"content": "A lot of people are from here. Clinton represented NY. She is also a liberal icon.",
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"content": "> She is also a liberal icon.\n\nReally? What do you consider her accomplishments as a \"liberal icon\"\n\n",
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"content": "uh, the biggest would be the attempt at healthcare reform as a first lady. \n\n",
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"content": "Attempt? an attempt is not an accomplishment. \n\nIf you look at a little history, the republicans have been talking about healthcare reform in one form or another since Reagan's presidency. They never actually accomplished it either. ",
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"content": "Better than the accomplishment of passing a bill to dump Vermont's nuclear waste on a poor Hispanic town in Texas I would say. Would you say the same?",
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"content": "First off, if all you can do to say how liberal your candidate is to attack her opponent then perhaps you need to re-think your reply. \n\nSecond off, No. Again, Because it not an accomplishment, it's an attempt, a failed attempt. \n\nFurthermore, It is an attempt that was made many times by people that are very clearly not in any way shape or form \"liberal\". \n\nAnswering a question other than the one that was asked is not an answer, it is an evasion. \n\nWhat do you consider Hillary Clinton's accomplishments that make her a \"liberal icon\"?\n\nDo you consider her time on the board or wallmart to be one of her liberal accomplishments?\nIf I remember right she was on the board from 1986 to 1992 and during that time they went from selling products \"Proudly Made In America\" to the cheapest import junk they could get. \n\nDo you consider that a \"liberal accomplishment\"?\n\n\nAnd downvoting me IS an answer too, but one that reflects badly on you and your candidate.",
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"content": "Uh, still means she is a liberal icon. \n\nIs Bernie Sanders a liberal icon? ",
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"content": "So for trying and failing to do something that a bunch of people that are by no means even slightly liberal also tried to do and also failed, that makes her a liberal icon.\n\nHow?\n\n\nDid I call him one? No. I did not. I MIGHT call him a PROGRESSIVE icon, perhaps.\n\n",
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"content": "Then how is Sanders a Progressive icon?\n\nWhat has he accomplished in 30 years for the progressive movement? ",
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"content": "So the reason that Hillary Clinton is a liberal icon is because you are going to change the subject?\n\nOk then. ",
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"content": "No, I am trying to apply your same standard.\n\nYou demanded accomplishments and questioned whether she was an icon. \n\nYou say Sanders is a progressive icon. \n\nWhat has he accomplished then?\n\nOr do you have a double-standard? \n\n",
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"content": "Before you decided that changing the subject was somehow a useful defense for your inability to show anything \"liberal\" that Mrs Clinton has done we were talking about what you thought made Hillary Clinton a \"Liberal Icon\" and all you have come up with is her failing to bring about health care reform, just like the Republicans failed to.\n\nSo instead of chasing your change of subject I ask again, \n\nIs there anything but your groundless belief that makes her a \"Liberal Icon\" ?",
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"content": "I told you that answer.\n\nIt all started with her fight for healthcare reform.\n\nYou are the one who questioned whether that makes her an icon.\n\nSo if Sanders is a progressive icon, using your same standard, what has he accomplished?\n\nYou can't escape the pickle of your own making. \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "You haven't replied with anything even slightly \"liberal\". \n\nMaking noises about and then FAILING to reform healthcare is not liberal, republicans have been doing it since Reagan was president. ",
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"content": "And again, what has Bernie accomplished? \n\nHe has been there for 30 years. \n\nHow many bills has he sponsored have failed?\n\nShow me why Bernie is a progressive icon, besides his rhetoric. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Changing the subject is not and never will be answering the question. \n\nIf the best you can do to promote your candidate is try to tear down the other candidate, it's time to consider who you support. \n\nSeriously, if there is nothing positive you can say about your candidate why are you supporting her? \n\n",
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"content": "It's not changing the subject to illustrate how you have a double-standard.\n\nHow is Bernie Sanders a progressive icon?\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> And still you have nothing to good to say about your candidate.\n> \n> \n> \n> Don't you see the problem with that?\n\n",
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"content": "Answered. \n\nWhat good do you have to say about Sanders, except for things he votes against and his rhetoric?\n\nWhat has he accomplished in 30 years?\n\n\nDo you see the problem with this? \n\n\n",
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"content": "http://imgur.com/hVzg7iT\n\n\nAnd STILL, tearing down my candidate is not giving me a reason to support your candidate. ",
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"content": "So he accomplished nothing?\n\nAnd Bernie Sanders on came out publicly in support of gay marriage in the past few years. Not the \"80s\".\n\nSo your image is discredited on its face. \n\nWhat has he accomplished in 30 years? \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "And still you have nothing to good to say about your candidate. \n\nDon't you see the problem with that?",
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"content": "What do you mean?\n\nMy first answer had something good to say about Clinton. \n\nShe was fighting for healthcare.\n\nYou discounted that because you said she failed at that. \n\nYou then said you consider Sanders a progressive icon. \n\nSo what has Sanders accomplished? \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "She accomplished nothing. Exactly the same as the republicans did. \nDoes that make the Republicans liberal too?",
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"content": "So someone is not an icon unless they can get their legislation passed? \n\nThat doesn't make too much sense, and reveals a contradiction when it comes to Sanders. \n\nDo you understand this? ",
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"content": "If you have nothing you can say that makes your candidate attractive to others, what exactly is it that you think are you are doing?\n\nTearing down the opposition is not promoting your candidate, it damages all democrats, which will hurt the entire nation in the general election. \n\nIt is EXACTLY why Sen Sanders is trying so hard to stick to facts and reality when talking about Sen Clinton.\n\nIf you have nothing to tell me that makes Sen Clinton more attractive to me, just stop. You are just making it worse for all of us. ",
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"content": "I did say something about my candidate. Please don't be dishonest. \n\nYou are the one who dismissed it and you are the one who created a standard. \n\nBut then your standard falls apart when you apply it to your candidate. \n\nYou can't deflect from that. \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Your candidate did exactly the same thing that the republicans had done for a decade before her. \n\nBecause republicans are not in any way \"liberal\" there is no possible way to call that exact same action and failure \"liberal\", therefore it is NOT qualification as a \"liberal action\".\n\nAnd STILL, you have said NOTHING that makes me want to vote for Hillary. ",
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"content": "I wasn't trying to make you vote for Hillary. \n\nI was showing you how your argument fell apart.\n\nYour saying even fighting for something means nothing unless you win. \n\nSo using your logic, Sanders is the same as Republicans. Because he has won like zero times in 30 thirty years. \n\nDon't blame me because your argument is terrible. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "You are confused about who's argument is terrible. Or you choose to be ignorant. I prefer to believe better of you regardless of your behavior.",
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"content": "No, its your argument.\n\nWhat has Sanders accomplished which makes him an icon? ",
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"content": "Right after you come up with something ACTUALLY EVEN JUST LIBERAL That Sen Clinton has done I will mention Sen Sanders getting arrested in Chicago over desegregation and being at protests with MLK. \n\nYou First. \nAnd as I said, failing to instate healthcare reform in the same way that Republicans did is not liberal no matter what you want to believe. ",
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"content": "Uh, he was in college at the time. \n\nWhen Hillary was fighting for healthcare, Sanders standing behind her. \n\nI asked you what he has accomplished for progressives. To make him an icon. \n\nGetting arrested and marching is not an accomplishment. \n\nAgain, its your standard. Sanders has been in office for 30 years. \n\nWhat has he accomplished? \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Doing the exact same thing that Republicans have done, and failing exactly as Republicans have done can not be painted as \"liberal\". Period. It's not success VS failure, it's exactly the same speech - behaviour and outcome. \n\nI still don't see you providing proof of links to anything actually liberal that Clinton has ever done and I see many many corporate things that she has done, so it's basically 0 liberal to 20ish corporate. \nUnless you have something to change that ratio you are just a circlejerk of one. \n\n\nEdit, she was a Goldwatergirl, how liberal is that! \nhttps://youtu.be/5uWu0nSsg7w",
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"content": "I don't see anything progressive Sanders has done in 30 years of elected office. \n\nSo you're saying he and Clinton are about the same? ",
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"content": ">I don't see anything progressive Sanders has done in 30 years of elected office. \n\nThen take your hands off your eyes and stop pretending. Seriously, you are only wasting your own time with utter and complete bullshit like that. \n\nIf you don't know what he has done that is progressive it's only because you have not looked at his actions in office. Your choice to be ignorant is your failure and no one else's.",
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"content": "Okay, cite some examples.\n\nWhat makes him an icon?\n\nStill waiting. ",
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"content": "Do your own homework. You said icon, i said perhaps, you also said NOTHING, to which I reply, your willful ignorance is your problem.\n\n\nYou don't have a single GOOD thing to say about Hillary, and can tell me nothing she has done that is \"liberal\" in any way so instead you attempt to tear down her opponent. \n\nIf you have nothing good to say about your candidate, perhaps it's time to ask yourself why you support her.\n\nEither way, go waste someone else's time, it's not like you are going to learn anything or change your mind and I refuse to help you jerk off anymore. ",
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"content": "You said that you would consider Bernie Sanders a \"progressive icon\". \n\nOkay. Show me what he has accomplished. \n\nWhy is that so hard when he's been in office for 30 years? ",
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"content": "Certainly after 30 years he has accomplished something for progressives. ",
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"content": "Certainly you can come up with something liberal Hillary has done that the Republicans have not done. \n\nBut you can't. So insted you try to shift the focus to something you are willfully ignorant of. \n\nhttps://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357\n\nTry becoming less ignorant. \nI warn you though, it won't make Hillary a less corporate candidate. ",
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"content": "That is not a list of accomplishments,\n\nI cited an accomplishment. Fighting for healthcare (remember, Sanders stood behind her).\n\nYou dismissed that. \n\nSo what has Sanders accomplished?\n\nYour link only cites committees and bills sponsored. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Go educate yourself or go fuck yourself. I do not care which as I will no longer be participating.\n\n\nFailing at doing the exact same thing republicans failed at doing is not magically \"liberal\". ",
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"content": "Absolutely he will. It will take awhile for the dust to settle. But Americans have no idea how good they had it.",
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"content": "I think he's been one of the best Presidents in working from the middle for results in budgeting, foreign policy, and social issues; the two taints I can see on his legacy is the escalation in drone warfare and a dangerous precedent against whistleblowers but there were far worse ones for FDR or LBJ.",
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"content": "If you are comparing them to George Bush, all the presidents were awesome.",
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"content": "Him and Old Herb.",
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"content": "First president to have US ctiizens openly murdered without due process, continued illegal war without declaration by congress and egregious war crimes, crushed single payer in favor of mandatory private insurance, mass spying, shall I continue?",
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"content": "\n•\t**Handed biggest mess since the great depression and accomplished the following all in the face of the most obstructive congress in history:**\n\n•\t**Outperformed Reagan on jobs, growth and investing:**\n\n•\t**73 straight months and counting of private sector job growth**\n\n•\t**Brought us out of recession worse than last 3 recessions combined**\n\n\n•\t**Got more Taliban leaders in 30 days than Bush/Cheney did in 6 years**\n\n•\t**Auto Industry saved**\n\n•\t**Got North Korea to stop enriching uranium**\n\n•\t**Bin Laden dead**\n\n•\t**Nuclear weapons reduced by 1/3 in US & Russia**\n\n•\t**Stock market more than doubles**\n\n•\t**Stock market set record highs**\n\n•\t**Creamed Bush in turning around job loss** – [See GRAPH]\n(http://reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/liberal-total-private-jobs-worldview-november-data.jpg)\n\n•\t**U.S Gross Domestic product went from steady decline to increasing every ¼ of the Obama Presidency** 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brought us out of the brink of financial collapse**\n\n•\t**$100 billion to embarrassing, crumbling infrastructure: Most since Eisenhower**\n\n•\t**$60 billion to create renewable and clean energy**\n\n•\t**Credit Card reform stopping the most abusive credit card practices**\n\n•\t**Huge investment into science & technology**\n\n\n•\t**Quadrupled the number of openly gay judges on the federal bench**\n\n•\t**Amped budgets at NASA & National Science Foundation**\n\n•\t**Expanded state run health insurance to cover additional four million kids**\n\n•\t**Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act – Equal pay for equal work**\n\n•\t**Global initiative keeping nuclear material out of hands of terrorists**\n\n•\t**Hate crimes prevention act (Matthew Shepard Act)**\n\n•\t**Eliminated scandal plagued Mineral Management Services**\n\n\n•\t**Overhauled the astonishing stupidity of the student loan system**\n\n•\t**Cancelled bloated weapons program including useless F-22**\n\n•\t**Stopped Russia supplying $1 billion of high-tech missiles to Iran promised by Bush**\n\n•\t**Tax cuts for small businesses**\n\n•\t **$14 billion in federally funded loans to stimulate job creation**\n\n•\t**Cut taxes for 95% of working families**\n\n•\t**Passed 16 different tax cuts for American small business owners**\n\n•\t**Fought GOP for Health benefits for 9/11 responders - He didn't forget.**\n\n•\t**Orders for durable goods increase**\n\n•\t**Appointed first Latina to Supreme Court**\n\n•\t**Ryan White AIDS Treatment Act**\n\n•\t**Appointed more openly gay officials than any other president**\n\n•\t**Expanded loan program for small businesses**\n\n•\t**Increased funding for National Parks and Forests**\n\n•\t**Led effort to phase out whaling**\n\n•\t**Funding for high speed broadband internet access to students K-12**\n\n•\t**$26 billion to states saving 160,000 teacher jobs among other things**\n\n•\t**Helped rebuild schools in New Orleans**\n\n•\t**Doubled research funds for cleaner fuel**\n\n•\t**$2 billion to solar power**\n\n•\t**Raised fuel economy standards**\n\n•\t**Cash for clunkers**\n\n•\t**Limited mercury emissions**\n\n•\t**Eliminated oil company liability caps for oil spills**\n\n•\t**Ordered BP to provide $20 billion liability fund for damages from spill**\n\n•\t**Mandated new safety rules for offshore drilling**\n\n•\t**World opinion of US improves significantly since Obama takes office**\n\n•\t**Visited more countries in first year than any other president**\n\n•\t**Return rights of Americans to visit and assist their families in Cuba**\n\n•\t**Renewed loan guarantees to Israel**\n\n•\t**Pledged $400 million in aid to Gaza civilians**\n\n•\t**Pressured Israel to end Gaza blockade**\n\n•\t**Authorized Clinton’s mission getting 2 prisoners released from Korea**\n\n•\t**Nuclear arms agreement with India**\n\n•\t**Agreement with Switzerland to bolster tax information exchange**\n\n•\t**Cut salaries of senior White House officials**\n\n•\t**Prevented congress from receiving cost of living pay raise**\n\n•\t**Cancelled contracts for 28 White House helicopters saving $11.2 billion**\n\n•\t**Return tax payer money for White House refurbishing**\n\n•\t**Established a Patient’s Bill of Rights**\n\n•\t**Expanded vaccinations program**\n\n•\t**New homes sales see biggest jump in 47 years**\n\n•\t**Extended benefit for same-sex partners of federal employees**\n\n•\t**Same-sex partners assured visitation & healthcare decision rights**\n\n•\t**$8 billion to establish smart power grid**\n\n•\t**$13 billion for high-speed rail in 13 major US corridors**\n\n•\t**Major expansion of AmeriCorps**\n\n•\t**Committed US to almost 5 million charging station by 2015**\n\n•\t**Expanding broadband internet**\n\n•\t**Improved benefits for veterans**\n\n•\t**New and improved hiring policy for veterans**\n\n•\t**Donated Peace Prize award money**\n\n•\t**Ended media blackout on war casualties**\n\n•\t**Increased access to PTSD treatment for soldiers and veterans**\n\n•\t**Reconstruction of military to reflect modern-day threats & technology**\n\n•\t**Ended torture**\n\n•\t**Recommitted the U.S. to full compliance to the Geneva Conventions**\n\n•\t**Cut missile defense system by $1.4 billion**\n\n•\t**Increased pay benefits to military personnel**\n\n•\t**Began draw-down of war in Afghanistan**\n\n•\t**Ordered Seal operation to free of US captain held by pirates**\n\n•\t**Negotiated nuclear arms agreement with Australia, India, & Russia**\n\n•\t**Increased Navy patrol of Somali coast**\n\n•\t**Provided $210 Million for building and upgrading fire stations**\n\n•\t**Emergency Aid to American Survivors of the Haiti Earthquake Act**\n\n•\t**Ordered extensive review of hurricane & natural disaster preparedness**\n\n•\t**Edward Kennedy Serve America Act: Expands national volunteer program**\n\n•\t**Removed restrictions and provided support of embryonic stem cell research**\n\n\n\n•\t**Manned missions to Mars & asteroids rather than just returning to moon**\n\n•\t**Worked with international allies on International Space Station**\n\n•\t**Used private sector to improve space flight**\n\n•\t**Used Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research**\n\n•\t**Established consumer tax credit for plug-in hybrid cars**\n\n\n•\t**For first time in 13 years America’s dependence on foreign oil below 50%**\n\n•\t**Tax breaks to promote public transit**\n\n•\t**Extended and indexed the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch**\n\n•\t**Income floor for medical expense deductions for individuals 65 & older**\n\n•\t**Health insurance tax credits & subsidies for incomes to 4x poverty level**\n\n•\t**Accelerated tax benefits for donations to Haiti earthquake relief**\n\n•\t**Income tax rates for highest earners will change from 35% to 39.6%**\n\n•\t**Capital gains tax for highest earners will change from 15% to 20%**\n\n•\t**Tax increase for corporations with assets of at least $1 billion**\n\n•\t**Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes**\n\n•\t**Tax bills hit lowest level since 1950**\n\n•\t**Tax refunds up 10 percent due to stimulus**\n\n•\t**Imposed limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House**\n\n•\t**Limits White House aides working for lobbyists after tenure in office**\n\n\n•\t**Independent watchdogs call Obama’s record on ethic Unprecedented**\n\n\n•\t**Closed lobbyist loopholes with respect to the Recovery Act**\n\n•\t**Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees**\n\n•\t**DOD will film all interrogations**\n\n•\t**White House voluntary disclosure policy**\n\n•\t**$5,000 tax credit for every new worker hired**\n\n•\t**Jobs for Main Street Act**\n\n\n•\t**Under Obama American clean energy industry creates 2.7 million jobs & expanding rapidly**\n\n•\t**Created more jobs in 2009 than Bush in his entire presidency**\n\n•\t**CBO found 3.7 Million jobs created by stimulus (May 2010)**\n\n•\t**682,370 jobs created under Recovery Act Between Jan. & March, 2010**\n\n•\t**National Export Initiative – designed to double US exports**\n\n•\t**Federal deficit shrank 8% year-on-year**\n\n•\t**Wall St reform designed to end taxpayer bailouts**\n\n•\t**Gets 47 nations to agree to 4 years non-proliferation efforts**\n\n•\t**Forced airlines to disclose prices upfront**\n\n\n•\t**25 Billion settlement against banking industry**\n\n•\t**Opposes NC Gay Marriage Amendment**\n\n•\t**Helped clean out weapons-usable uranium from 6 countries:**\n\n**Mexico, Chile, Romania, Serbia, Libya, and Turkey**\n\n•\t**Number of oil rigs in US oil fields has quadrupled in past three years**\n\n•\t**US now has more rigs at work than the rest of the world put together**\n\n•\t**First time since 1949 we now export more gas than we import**\n\n\n•\t**Rescued hostages held by Somalian Pirates with precision mission** \n\n•\t**Appointed record number of women judges to federal bench**\n\n\n•\t**Makes health insurance available to seasonal firefighters**\n\n•\t **Establishes relations with Cuba for first time in over a half century**\n\n•\t **Brokers historic deal with Iran to prevent them from developing and producing nuclear weapons**\n\n•\t**Unemployment down to 5% as of November 2015.**\n\n\nShall I continue?",
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"content": "Is this your hamfisted way of saying you condone illegal war and war crimes? Which bullet point justifies having a US citizen murdered without even filing charges? Which one legitimized mass spying?\n\nHave some standards. This is pathetic.\n\nEDIT: notice how the above copy pasta isn't even an attempt to refute war crimes and denial of due process. Pathetic.",
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"content": "I found this article to be somewhat of a poor argument. Just stated what he/she believed to be great without giving much background. Where are the statistics? How do I know Obamacare was a success when stats tell me otherwise? The fact that people across the country have felt they have not been positively and directly affected by it. Or the fact that major health care insurers are consistently pulling out of Obamacare. How is Obamacare a success then? I guess that's why they only mentioned it very briefly because deep down they know it's a failure. I stamp he gave great speeches but has he unified the country as he promised during his race for the White House? I find ourselves much more divided today than 8 years ago.",
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"content": "Kinda hard to unify when the disloyal, seditious and borderline treasonous GOP attempts to and often succeeds in blocking every move he makes from the literal day one: \n\n\nhttp://www.factcheck.org/2016/04/obamas-numbers-april-2016-update/\n\n\n\"But that hasn't happened yet for Obama. His numbers for his first five years are far, far higher than Bush's even though Bush's are inflated by delays during his final year in office. It's just another example of the fact that, no, both parties aren't equally at fault for the current level of government dysfunction. Republicans greeted Obama's inauguration with an active plan of maximal obstruction of everything he did, regardless of what it was or how necessary it might be in the face of an epic economic collapse. No other party in recent history has done that. It's a new thing under the sun.\"\n\nhttp://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/08/yes-republicans-really-are-unprecedented-their-obstructionism\n",
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"content": "Now I have no problem with someone saying Obama is a great president such as the article above. However, as I stated before, the article gave poor justification for such a statement with a lack of thorough research that did not provide solid evidence to the reader of Obamas successes. Also, the article only gave the reader what 3 points for which Obama was great. Really? You meet 3 different points and your a great leader? Why you brought Bush's approval numbers into this is truly an anomaly to me. I guess it was to make Obama and Dems look great but trying to convince someone that Obama is a great president by comparing him to Bush is confusing. Why not compare him to someone who according to bipartisan standards was great such as FDR/Reagan to see if he really does stand out like these two examples. And not by approval ratings but by something that gee maybe actually matters like economic growth/unemployment because approval ratings can be iffy such as Bush's approval rating post-9/11 (which peaked at upper 80s). According to those numbers than wow he's a great president from 2000-2004 but do you really think he was? Also lets go back to that first statement that the GOP is treasonous. Really? Are you that narrow-minded and plagued by bias to even understand today's politics and that the media shows only a glimpse of what truly goes on. I firmly believe that both parties at the end of the day want what is best for America the country they and all of us love. It's just each has their own agenda and people they answer to as well. Moral of this long ass story is I just believe they did a poor job justifying their claims and that both parties want the best for the country they love.",
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"content": "We should all upvote this to get it as high as possible. ",
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"content": "He won't be part of the ironically greatest presidents like the his 3 predecessors, but he'll have to settle for one of the better than average presidents.",
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"content": "History will be kind to Obama I think, while he wasn't perfect he was infinitely better than Dubya on his best day ",
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"content": "The Bush administration didn't bomb non-combatants collecting their dead. The Obama administration has been even worse than W's in some ways. \"Infinitely better\" is baseless hyperbole.",
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"content": "Foreign policy isn't one of those things that he was better on, I also don't like how tough he's been on whistleblowers. He's been much better on the economy though",
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"content": "Would you like to donate to the Bokono fund? ",
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"content": "bokono donates to the bokono fund and then writes it off. them's the rules.",
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"content": "It's charity. ",
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"content": "So?",
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"content": "That way she can't be accused of bribes. Chelsea and Bill do it because they heart granny.",
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"content": "This is a good post people should read to alleviate some of the confusion that can be seen in comments here:\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/comments/4f1lb1",
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"content": "http://nypost.com/2015/04/26/charity-watchdog-clinton-foundation-a-slush-fund/\n\nthis helps too. i'm with her->hrc2016!",
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"content": "I like *the idea* of Bill Mahrer. I admire his stance on some issues. But damn, the guy is really hard to take. ",
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"content": "Totally agree. But hard to take or hard to take seriously?",
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"content": "You don't tax religions. You tax the organization. \n\nAnd that should be only if they are operating as a business. \n\nOtherwise they should be like any other non-profit organization. ",
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"content": "This is fine for income taxes, but how do you deal with real estate taxes?",
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"content": "For real, there's like 1 church per square mile where I'm from. ",
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"content": "Few churches would be able to afford it. Most would be forced to sell.",
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"content": "I don't think it should, but I'm telling you the practicalities here. Most churches couldn't afford to continue if they were forced to pay property tax, which is a major factor in public support for the continued exemption.",
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"content": "If you could set up a non-religious social organization, play by the same rules as a religious organization, and take advantage of the same tax breaks, I'd have no problem with it. Unfortunately, that's not the tax code we have.",
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"content": "Bill Maher is what happens when you try too hard to be funny and/or witty. ",
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"content": "Bill Maher is a hater of religion, but a hater non-the-less.\n\nand this has what to do with democracy/democrats?",
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"content": "Because: separation of church & state. ",
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"content": "Tax the NFL and sports organizations...",
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"content": "If I'm not mistaken the NFL gave up their tax exempt status. ",
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"content": "I wasn't sure if it happened or not yet...",
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"content": "Sports organizations don't pay tax? Til",
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"content": "The power to tax is the power to regulate. Regulation of religion violates the first amendment. If you don't like churches having money don't give then any. ",
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"content": "Oh my goodness... no one here understands why religions aren't taxed? \n\nPathetic.\n\nOne of the fundamental creeds of the United States is \n\"no taxation without representation\"...\n\nThe minute you tax a religious organization, you legitimize their political speech. And allow them into government and therefore... knocked down the wall between Church and State.\n\nGrow up and read some shit, will you?",
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"content": "Because they're non-profit organizations. Hell, the Catholic Church is the second-largest non-governmental provider of healthcare in the world. It's sad to see this religion-bashing, anti-vaxxer nutjob upvoted in this sub.",
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"content": ">Sanders supporters were quick to point out that the Sanders’ annual income was less than Clinton received for each of the three speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs, the transcripts of which she has so far declined to release.\n\nYeah, where are those transcripts? ",
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"content": "Where are the complete returns? No line item deductions to show his truth assets. Why not? What is he hiding? What about the previous years? What are they hiding?",
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"content": "They're not hiding anything. He released the returns. \n\nWhere are the transcripts of Clinton's speechs? ",
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"content": "He did not release his complete returns? Why is this so difficult? What are they hiding? Why have they not released previous years? It only takes 10 minutes.",
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"content": "http://np.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/4ezhvi/sanders_releases_2014_tax_return_on_website/d24yu4l\n\nhttp://np.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/4ezhvi/sanders_releases_2014_tax_return_on_website/d255jyf\n\nhttp://np.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/4ezhvi/sanders_releases_2014_tax_return_on_website/d24ws3z",
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"content": "Incomplete, no breakdown of deductions. This isn't rocket science.",
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"content": "The same place where Obama's college transcripts are. ",
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"content": "The same place where your brain is?",
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"content": "Same place the point whooshed over your head?",
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"content": "I don't think there were any surprises other than the fact that he paid a much, *MUCH* lower tax rate than the average American he is championing. I believe it was 13.5%, which, again, way lower than what you and I are paying. \n\nAnd lower than the percent Romney was paying whenever people went apeshit about his tax rate. And I realize Bernie isn't making as much and doesn't have as many assets but still….it's tough to refer to him as 'one of us' when he is still getting special treatment and paying much less than us (by percentage). \n\nThis will somehow be used to suggest that I'm not a supporter of Bernie but I am. I just disagree with the fact that as a champion of the middle class he is embracing that part of the system that allows and enables the great divide in inequality.",
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"content": "surely, you are not a flat tax advocate.",
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"content": "Week 30 for no reason then?",
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"content": "What business is it of yours? ",
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"content": "Pretty sure there isn't a doctor with any ethics in the world that would do this. What a stupid question.",
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"content": "Like I said. What business is it of yours? ",
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"content": "Or Bernard's?",
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"content": "That doesn't even make sense. ",
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"content": "If it is Bernie's business it can be my business too, can it not? Why is it your business or is it not?",
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"content": "That's just it. It's not Bernie's business or anyone else's. A woman's health is her own business. ",
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"content": "Dude, no one does an abortion of a viable child unless there is health reason. You should know that. That would be murder everywhere in the world. Sanders doesn't oppose all abortion restrictions. This is a misleading motherjones title as usual. He would be the first to say that. Post from crap sites, this is what happens.",
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"content": "> Sanders doesn't oppose all abortion restrictions. \n\nWrong. \n\nHere are Bernie's words and Hillary's words at the Detroit Town Hall Meeting with Bret Baier. Emphasis added is mine.\n\n>Asked generally whether **abortion should ever be illegal**, Sen. Bernie Sanders said, \"**I happen to believe that it is wrong for the government to be telling a woman what to be doing with her own body**.\"\n\n>Asked more specifically **if he would support restrictions on abortions for pregnancies farther along than five months**, Sanders simply responded, \"I am very strongly pro-choice. **That is a choice to be made between a woman, her physician and her family**.\"\n\n>Clinton, by contrast, noted that she has gone on the record as **in favor** of some \"**late-pregnancy regulation** that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother.\"\n\n>\"Under Roe v. Wade, it is appropriate to say in these circumstances\" that **abortion rights may be restricted**, she said -- \"so long as there's an exception for the life and health of the mother.\"",
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"content": "Well that is pretty stupid of Slanders then. You find me a doctor that would agree with that statement. Waiting.",
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"content": "You're a pretty funny person; you keep moving the goalposts and expect people to go the extra yards for you. This is what you said:\n\n>Sanders doesn't oppose all abortion restrictions. \n>He would be the first to say that.\n\nI proved you wrong. I gave you sources. Now you want a doctor who agrees? HAHAHAHA, go find 'em yourself, Tim Tebow.",
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"content": "Republican party reasoning. Thanks for sharing the [RNC copypasta](http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rnc-chair-more-comfortable-running-against-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders).",
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"content": "Planned Parenthood stance on 20 week ban on abortion:\nhttps://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/abortion/20-week-bans\n\nBernie agrees with PP; Hillary does not.",
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"content": "He's tough enough to win the general election, and the polls show that he's the candidate who would do best against every Republican. He has no big scandals and will ensure a high turnout of young people and independents for the Democratic Party.",
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"content": "Meaningless general election polls. Karl Rove and company want to run against his socialist ass. That is why they were putting money into getting him the nomination. Castro, the Sandinistas, Soviet Union, his supporters wearing red t-shirts of his face wearing Che Guevara berets shouting revolution, [Sanders not denouncing this endorsement](http://www.cpusa.org/bernie-sanders-political-revolution/), [having this already on the web.](http://www.mrctv.org/blog/take-quiz-who-said-it-karl-marx-or-bernie-sanders) Yea, he would do real well.",
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"content": "i can't wait til the \"october suprise\" of hillary's transcripts magically appearing. the rethuglicans can't wait to run against her.",
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"content": "\"Release the speech transcripts, Hillary!\" = \"Release the college transcripts, Obama!\"",
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"content": "He's not a socialist. You'd think someone that spends their entire waking life in this sub smearing Sanders would take the time to at least have a passing understanding of his politics. I guess I should expect no more from the \"ain't got no book learnin'\" Clinton supporter crowd.",
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"content": "\"I am a socialist\" -- Bernie Sanders more times than can be counted.",
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"content": "You're right. he never said he was a Democratic socialist. I must just be another Bernie Bro, making things up. /s\n\nYou purposefully use misleading language because your indefensible candidate leaves you with no choice but to attempt to smear her opponent's image with buzzwords that frighten uneducated yokels, a Republican tactic that not surprisingly fits perfectly with the far right Clinton crowd. ",
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"content": "https://www.google.com/search?q=bernie+sanders+calling+himself+a+socialist&oq=bernie+sandera+calling+&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l3.7031j0j4&client=ms-android-att-aio-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8",
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"content": "He said that after he became a D. Before no. Do you want me to post links here for the 150th time? Or do you just want to use google as it will appear on page 1?",
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"content": "Go ahead, Rove. All you're doing is trying to obfuscate the difference between a socialist and a Democratic socialist because it's politically convenient to use the term \"socialist\" as an insult in the present heavily propagandized atmosphere. \n\nIt's a base insult, appealing to the lowest common denominator, and nothing more. I'm sorry your candidate of choice is an anti-populist, coproratist war monger, and the only tactic you have is to parrot the most intellectually bankrupt Republican talking heads. That must really suck for you.\n\nEDIT: lol thanks for the Gold. I'm glad my unhealthy interest in confronting the less pleasant elements of this sub was cathartic for you, too.",
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"content": "[Definition of socialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism)",
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"content": "He won't actually argue with you, he just constructs a straw man and even then fails to win against it. ROFL he actually posted the Wikipedia link for socialism.",
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"content": "Kasich is doing the best on the other side. The losing candidate always does better in these polls because not as much attention is paid to them. ",
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"content": "Talkimgpointsmemo? This is Salon level stuff man ",
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"content": "TalkingPointsMemo is a very popular left of center political website.",
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"content": "I'm sorry, which part of the AP news story they are quoting from is incorrect? Unlike Salon, they don't write their own news. ",
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"content": "which is hilarious as you discount articles from what you consider unreliable sources when they quote the washington post within the article. clinton is your girl. doublespeak all the way.\n\nconsistency=clinton->i'm with her hrc2016\n\n ",
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"content": " ^ Accuses others of doublespeak when it comes to sources.\n\n^ Posts links from Breitbart, parroting the wingnut narrative. \n\n\n",
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"content": "And the NY Post, and the Washington Examiner etc.",
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"content": "The European media has been very clear about the Vatican trip. Sanders was invited. The Pope wanted him there. He met the Pope. The way this is being portrayed and questioned by major US media outlets is a disgrace. ",
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"content": "which references the washington post. willfully ignorant isn't a desired state of mind. i see that you have too much invested in your narrative that clinton is honest, trustworthy, inevitable, worthy, consistent, and \"presidential.\" hopefully, at some point in time, you will seek the truth, until then i hope the blinders which you wear don't continue to do damage to this, the party of jefferson, madison, truman, wilson, FDR, and JFK. your days of the \"third way\" neo-neoconservativism are numbered. The october surprise is loaded and will be unleashed should the neocon get the nomination. shame on you and your ilk for attempting to destroy our great party. ",
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"content": "and he let him know about the \"october suprise\" the republicans have on hillary, namely her transcripts. 6 of them from wealthy republican donors who were at the events. nominate her at your own risk.",
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"content": "It's already over. \n\nBut please, this is a free country, so you are free to continue lying. \n",
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"content": "And a sign that he likes the guy. ",
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"content": "Every person who voted for it should be held to account. ",
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"content": "Agree, only one is running for the Democratic nomination. Bernie! Where are you?",
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"content": "https://youtu.be/LTn3jUoMdVI",
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"content": "Wow, all that and he still voted for it, guess black lives didn't matter that much to him back then.",
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"content": "Bernie Sanders voted for that legislation because of the Violence Against Women Act and a subsequent ban on automatic firearms. \n\nThe crime bill itself was absolute garbage. There's nothing positive about it unless you count the Drivers Privacy Protection Act. Everything else in that bill is terrible GOP legislation. Go ahead and [check it out.] ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act) \n\nIf he had voted differently you'd be arguing that he didn't care about women and that he believed that automatic weapons should be legal. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "So he voted for it out of political expediency even though he believed it would doom blacks. Sounds like he made a choice and he should be held responsible for it. \"I only liked the good parts\" is certainly not a distinction he and his supporters are willing to extend to anyone else.\n\nAnd aren't people always calling him the amendment king he could've gotten VAWA attached to something else .\n\nAlso Sanders was bragging about his vote for the crime bill and being \"tough on crime\" [as last as 2009](https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanders-now-a-reformer-once-boasted-of-being-223600102.html)",
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"content": "How is it his crime bill and not Bernie's?",
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"content": "Your user name makes me think of:\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Vega\n\n",
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"content": "Well Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with it except in the Bernie Bros' minds where the First Lady has a role in the Constitution. But Bernie did vote for it, did he not? The question is though, did this bill ruin more lives or did all the gun control bills he voted against ruin more lives? I mean dead people, dead children, quite a few there. Let's call it a draw and say that Bernie Sanders has ruined more lives than we can possibly count. Sound good to you?",
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"content": "https://youtu.be/2bb9mIxzcxk Clinton \n\nhttps://youtu.be/LTn3jUoMdVI Sanders ",
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"content": "They should Both be held responsible. One voted for it (albeit because of political expediency) and the other vocally supported it.",
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"content": "As great as this sounds, we can't let the odds make us apathetic!",
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"content": "This is stupid thinking. \n\n",
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"content": "You're right. We should choose the candidate who polls the best against possible GOP nominees. ",
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"content": "No, national polls are meaningless since we don't elect POTUS that way.\n\nWe should vote for whomever we want in the primaries and then consolidate behind the Democrat in the general. \n\nAnd we should consider ourselves the underdog no matter who is the nominee. \n\n",
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"content": ">We should vote for whomever we want in the primaries and then consolidate behind the Democrat in the general. \n\n\nYou're right. Part of that decision should be considering who is more electable. That is, who is more favorable with voters, and who has less political baggage and bad blood with the electorate. If we want to win, we need the more electable candidate. Someone who can unite fhe party, sway independents, and not be a reason for Republicans to mobilize. \n\n\n>And we should consider ourselves the underdog no matter who is the nominee. \n\nYou're not wrong there. \n\n\n",
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"content": "Your first part is subjective. \n\nNo evidence either one of the candidates can unite the party and win nationally. ",
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"content": "Your statements are only true if you dismiss thousands upon thousands of people being asked precisely those questions.\n\nBernie Sanders does better in general election polling than Clinton in poll after poll after poll.\n\nBernie Sanders is more highly regarded in poll after poll after poll.\n\nMore Sanders supports will refuse to support Clinton than its converse in poll after poll after poll.\n\nIt is only through magical thinking and a head buried deep in sand that Clinton supporters are able to plug their ears, sing \"lalalalala\" and ignore the amply supported fact that a yuuuuuge proportion of the population doesn't trust Clinton, doesn't like Clinton, and won't vote for Clinton.",
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"content": "Only because conservatives have focused their character assassination machine entirely on Clinton with the presumption that she'll be the nominee.",
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"content": "I believe that's Clinton-supporter-speak for \"lalalalala\"",
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"content": "And yet she is winning and has a bigger lead over Sanders than Obama has over her in 2008.\n\nAt some point, it's Sanders' supporters who are singing \"lalalala\" and not facing reality. ",
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"content": "I've never claimed the odds are for Sanders.\n\nI think Clinton is a staggeringly poor general election candidate.\n\nThe data supports that view.",
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"content": "We should think critically and not dump resources into the presidential race if it's a slam-dunk. I'd rather have a solid Democratic majority in both houses of Congress with Trump in the White House than the current state of affairs. ",
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"content": "I's rather have chocolate cake every day. Ain't gonna happen.\n\nThe House and Senate take years. Risking the SCOTUS is too important. \n\nBeing spiteful is not logical. ",
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"content": "Who said anything about spite? I'm just saying Congress is key, and the only reason that we are struggling so much on policy is that we've subordinated the Congressional races to the presidency, when the latter is far less important. ",
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"content": "As long as Grassley is one of them, I'm going to be satisfied. GODDAMN that man.",
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"content": "Except wrong point in time. He crossed it when he went negative and decided to debate in NYC. New 538 after debate as of today. Not as good even though he got his beatification at the Vatican. Hillary Clinton has a 98% chance of winning the New York primary. Clinton: 57.8% Sanders: 39.6%.\n\nAny change in the UK betting markets? Nope, Clinton 1/25, Sanders 8/1. We should be hearing on Wednesday from all the Bernie Bros how we Clinton supporters are all suckers since you will be giving the Federal max of $2700 to him and retiring to some place exotic on your winnings after he wins NY, right?",
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"content": "You'll be hearing from us on Wednesday like any other day because that's what it is. We've explained to you time and time again that this won't be over until the convention. ",
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"content": "You said he would win NY. ",
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"content": "We will. ",
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"content": "And if you don't, you will make another excuse and predict he will win the next one. \n\nMeanwhile, if he loses NY, it's over. ",
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"content": "Nah. \n\nEdit: For those who want to avoid the comedic gold below, this is my answer. \n\n> No not really. \n\n>Unless she earns at least 60% of the vote, the delegates will be split. NY is likely to be a delegate wash similar to Wyoming, but it will likely have a greater affect on the HRC campaign than splitting those delegates did for us. \n\n>If we win, we'll most likely continue to win everything else. If it's close, it sends a serious message about Bernie's campaign, our energy, and our drive and about Clinton's vulnerability. \n\n>If it splits which is likely, we've neutralized her delegate game in a big way after a serious streak. \n\n>So no, not really. Like I've said over and over, this is going to the convention if it has to. ",
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"content": "Yah, because then Clinton will be a 99% lock. ",
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"content": "Nah. ",
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"content": "Yes, according to math.\n\n",
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"content": "Nah, not really. ",
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"content": "Yes, yes really. \n\nShe is already a 90% lock. And if NY is a beating, Sanders is done.\n\nHe may have 1% chance, but the despair will begin to set in. ",
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"content": "Nah.",
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"content": "Yes, Sanders supporters will be denying reality for weeks. \n\nWhile the rest of us will be moving onto the general election. ",
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"content": "Nah, not really.",
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"content": "Really? ",
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"content": "Realsies.",
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"content": "Apparently someone is down voting us. It's a shame. ",
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"content": "No front page for us, oh well. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯",
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"content": "Did you hear they made 1.3 million calls today? I wonder what tomorrow will be like? ",
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"content": "Dude, amazing right?, could Hillary inspire that kind of effort from people giving their time freely? screw the delegate gap , if she loses NY she's cooked.",
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"content": "At worst it'll be a delegate draw. Honestly, she can't win New York at this point. The best she can hope for is a less close race. Each candidate needs 60% of the vote in order to take a majority of delegates. That's not likely for either candidate, but Bernie can still win the state. It would definitely send a message. ",
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"content": "Even a week ago ,I was saying \"north of 45% and we're still okay, let's just get through it\", but now?, I really think we can do it, the debate was a disaster for her.",
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"content": "It was. \n\nThen Bernie spoke before an international congress about economic morality and met the Pope. The media completely made asses* of themselves over it. There will likely have been more than two million calls tomorrow. \n\nAlso, HRC raised $15 tonight at some $350,000 a plate. \n\nClooney's neighbor held a party for Bernie supporters at $27 a plate, but still let people in if they didn't have the cash. \n\nI wonder how much fundraising that's going to create for Bernie? \n\nAlso, I wonder who was willing to spend $350,000 on the Hillary Clinton. Who were those forty-five people trying to buy our head of state and government? I'm sure they mean well {{gags}}, but I'd argue that our head of state is not for sale. ",
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"content": " ..and then Clooney comes out and admits it was \"obscene\". Can't wait until Tuesday.",
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"content": "Clooney is a real piece. \n\nThat guy has been disgusting for awhile now. \n\nHe's supposedly been an activist for ethics and legitimacy in government, and yet here he is serving a system of corruption and obfuscation. \n\nQuite insincere. ",
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"content": "Ah he really has done a lot for people, he used a lot of his own money too, seems like he has a blind spot though.",
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"content": "Not supporting Bernie doesn't erase other good deeds.",
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"content": "Supporting the very system of corruption and greed that he pretends to care about and he claims to oppose does. ",
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"content": "Or the world isn't black and white",
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"content": "No it's not. But somethings are obvious. That dinner is a dishonest and corrupt manner of raising funds for the HRC campaign. \n\nThey can claim all they like that the money is going to down ticket candidates, but it's already been illustrated how it's mostly being channeled back to the HRC campaign. \n\nI hope Clooney enjoyed creating the context and opportunity for protesters to make it rain on the Clinton motorcade. That shit was priceless. ",
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"content": "Proof? Citations? And I want actual proof NOT implications. Also how is holding a fundraiser for a candidate with a 93 percent voting record identical to sanders turn Clooney from good guy to evil shill?",
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"content": "http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/apr/17/george-clooney/george-clooney-decries-big-money-politics-says-mos/",
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"content": "Sorry Wayne, but [This is old news.] (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-donors_us_5627a946e4b02f6a900ed79a) \n\nThe vast majority of that money will find its way back to the HRC campaign. \n\nPolitifact belongs to the Tampa Bay Times. Yes, that's the same Tampa Bay Times that endorsed HRC for president. \n\nYou're not helping anyone by passing on these lies. ",
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"content": "50% goes to down ballot candidates. That is not a lie.",
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"content": "No. \n\nIt's a lie. Even fifty percent is disgusting with the way they're raising money from wealthy people, but no that's not even true. I like you Wayne, but I'm disappointed with you. I'm calling bullshit on that claim. ",
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"content": "First: answer the damn question!!!!\n\n \"how given Hillary and Bernies similarities is Clooney backing Hillary move him from good guy as evil fuck?\"\n\n\nWhy is it that when someone endorses Hillary the whole organizations immediately become worthless liars? Like you don't call killer Mike a stooge who has allowed Bernie to enslave to the campaign in exchange for greater fame? Like everyone who likes Hillary can't be liars and everyone who likes Bernie is great.\n\nAlso what was disproved?",
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"content": ">First: answer the damn question!!!!\n\n> \"how given Hillary and Bernies similarities is Clooney backing Hillary move him from good guy as evil fuck?\"\n\n>\nWhy is it that when someone endorses Hillary the whole organizations immediately become worthless liars? Like you don't call killer Mike a stooge who has allowed Bernie to enslave to the campaign in exchange for greater fame? Like everyone who likes Hillary can't be liars and everyone who likes Bernie is great.\n\n>Also what was disproved?\n\nThis is awesome. I'm going to keep this. \n\nThanks, have a nice night. ",
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"content": "Nasty! ",
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"content": "The correct term is bern",
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"content": "You're totally feeling it! ",
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"content": "Also I read the articles, they don't disagree with each other at all they just discuss different things. What the victory fund raises overall 50 goes to Clinton by the work Clooney does sends more money to down ballot tickets.\n\nIt's like pulling teeth with you people. You read half of every fact and get angry. Victory fund raises for Hillary, Clooney raises for Hillary, this doesn't mean all money raised by the victory fund was raised by Clooney.",
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"content": ">It's like pulling teeth with you people. You read half of every fact and get angry. Victory fund raises for Hillary, Clooney raises for Hillary, this doesn't mean all money raised by the victory fund was raised by Clooney.\n\nWho are \"you people\"? \n\nWhat's your hourly wage? ",
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"content": "Bernie supporters \n\nNone of your damn business",
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"content": "It kind of is my business because I'm talking to you for free. ",
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"content": "That makes no sense.",
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"content": "It does because you're being paid. ",
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"content": "What being paid have to with anything?",
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"content": ">What being paid have to with anything?\n\nEverything! \n\nNothing that you have to say is of value if you're being paid to say it. ",
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"content": "Wait are you claiming that I'm being paid to point out facts and ask for citations? \n\nLike all you really saying someone is paying me to argue on Reddit with someone 1 v 1 on a Sunday night? No wonder Bernie supporters like him, they have no grasp on reality.",
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"content": "Yeah, pretty much. You're being paid to complicate the issues. ",
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"content": "Ah, so anyone who doesn't follow lord sanders is paid off, good to know its not a cult.",
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"content": "Sorry, I just had to reply to this piece of work, too. Do you understand that a massive chunk of that money goes to support downballot candidates, and that only a small percentage supports Hillary's campaign directly? That is, that money is going directly to create the progressive revolution that you guys crave so much? It's not buying Hillary in any way that is at all meaningful. \n\nhttp://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/apr/17/george-clooney/george-clooney-decries-big-money-politics-says-mos/\n\nI'm just asking because it doesn't sound like you guys understand that at ALL.",
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"content": "Politifact belongs to the Tampa Bay Times. That's the same Tampa Bay Times that's endorsed the HRC campaign. \n\nThe truth is that although they're raising the legally allowable amounts for each campaign, most if not all of that money will be channeled through the DNC back to the HRC campaign. \n\nThey're rating it as true because they don't follow the cash from the donor to recipients. They're only tracking it from the donor, through the HVF, and to the DNC. ",
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"content": "Oh god, everybody's biased except that ones that support Bernie. No. No. No. You're straight up delusional. Like I said, brick wall. \n\nJesus, listen to yourselves. ",
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"content": "Well, considering that I'm only one person and that I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic, there's only one of me to listen to. \n\nBut no, most major media outlets are biased. They're owned by a small group of people and many of them have donated directly to campaigns or PACs and then endorse those candidates. \n\nThe one in question did both. Why would you expect me or anyone else to trust them? ",
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"content": "Have you stopped to consider the possibility that you find literally everybody who doesn't parrot the Sanders line to be \"biased\"? And that somehow literally everybody who DOES follow Sanders' line is neutral? Do you find that to be odd at all?\n\nThis is why I say things like \"brick wall,\" which is apparently so degrading and hurtful. There's no conversing with you people. Everyone who doesn't pass your rigid purity test isn't worth listening to. Nobody has a reasonable point except those who agree 100% with you already. \n\nDude, this is how cults get formed. \n\nAnd what makes it even worse is that your boy Bernie is no angel whatsoever. He's right there accepting all the benefits of being a Democrat until he can bring you folks in by railing against money. Heck, he was too happy to take 10 grand of Hillary's \"dirty\" money, not to mention money from agribusiness and the NRA, when it helped him keep his cushy seat from which he could keep yelling to no real effect. Pretty easy to do that. Harder to roll up your sleeves and get stuff done. \n\nProblem is, I can accept that my candidate isn't perfect. You folks can't. And worse yet, you can't accept a universe in which someone *says* your guy isn't perfect. That terrifies me. \n\nGood night. ",
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"content": ">Have you stopped to consider the possibility that you find literally everybody who doesn't parrot the Sanders line to be \"biased\"? And that somehow literally everybody who DOES follow Sanders' line is neutral? Do you find that to be odd at all?\n\n>This is why I say things like \"brick wall,\" which is apparently so degrading and hurtful. There's no conversing with you people. Everyone who doesn't pass your rigid purity test isn't worth listening to. Nobody has a reasonable point except those who agree 100% with you already. \n\n>Dude, this is how cults get formed. \n\n>And what makes it even worse is that your boy Bernie is no angel whatsoever. He's right there accepting all the benefits of being a Democrat until he can bring you folks in by railing against money. Heck, he was too happy to take 10 grand of Hillary's \"dirty\" money, not to mention money from agribusiness and the NRA, when it helped him keep his cushy seat from which he could keep yelling to no real effect. Pretty easy to do that. Harder to roll up your sleeves and get stuff done. \n\n>Problem is, I can accept that my candidate isn't perfect. You folks can't. And worse yet, you can't accept a universe in which someone *says* your guy isn't perfect. That terrifies me. \n\n>Good night. \n\n\nI'm going to have fun with this tomorrow. \n\nIt's easy to see who is a paid representative. Nite Nite!\n",
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"content": "It's the height of insanity that you think someone is paying this guy to argue with you on Reddit. You sound truly delusional. I hope there will come a point in time where you can take a deep breath and think about some of the things you are saying. Hopefully you can laugh it off and say \"wow, I really let my feelings get in the way of my critical thinking skills\".",
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"content": "Is it now? \n\nDo you think that the HRC campaign hasn't spent money on social media? \n\nThe best that you do is to call me insane? \n\nCould you please stop abusing the disabled? \n\nPeople with mental health issues aren't fair game. ",
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"content": "Wow. Okay, well I am going to have to assume you are very young, just based on the pedantic immature response. That's a good thing. You'll look back and laugh one day for sure.",
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"content": "Yeah. I should totally accept the assessment of /u/fuckyouplease. You're obviously the leading authority on maturity and fuckofff. \n\nThanks for wasting everyone's time. I hope that it paid well.\n\nBtw, what have you been paid by the hour? ",
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"content": "Actually, it was well worth it. I earn $.15 per response from my main account, and then I get $.03 per response on my burner accounts. I'm even getting paid for this response! Even if I respond to your next post with a single word, I still make $.15.",
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"content": "I would love to hear more about your insane theories.",
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"content": "I'm curious why /r/hillaryclinton thinks that a brigade at this point is a good idea for the HRC campaign. ",
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"content": "Lots of people realizing you are wrong is not a brigade. It is you being wrong.",
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"content": "It's fine. You can attack. We've been calling voters all weekend. Apparently we've made more than 3 million calls. That was for free of course. Bernie doesn't have to pay people to campaign for him. \n\nGood luck in your mud. At least it's cool and it soothes the damage and heat of finally being in the sun. ",
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"content": "We? I'm a Democrat. Your comments wrongly assume that Hillary does not have volunteers. How can you say that, that is patently wrong. There are many volunteers. \n\nOkay? That makes no sense. Let me know when those calls turn into delegates :) ",
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"content": "Yeah, she has volunteers. I don't doubt that one bit. \n\nShe has nothing like what Sanders has created. \n\nLargely Hillary Clinton pays people. Last night Hillary Clinton and some 45 of George Clooney's bestest rich friends sat down to gnaw on whatever prohibitively expensive gastronomic disaster is popular right now, and raised $15 million for her campaign at $350,000 a plate. (No not down ticket candidates but the HRC campaign it's already been explained that most of that money is being channeled through the HVF and DNC back to the HRC campaign.) \n\nBernie heeds the call of the people and the people fight for him. This weekend tens of thousands of people canceled their weekend plans, on from what I can see is the most beautiful weekend of the year, and made 3 million phone calls for the campaign. That's their own time and their own phones. This is the people talking. \n\nThere's no comparison. \n\n",
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"content": "http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/apr/17/george-clooney/george-clooney-decries-big-money-politics-says-mos/ How do you expect your revolution to occur without downballot Democrats winning elections? Please provide sources that this money is just going to the HRC campaign. \n\nAnd not to undermine your effort but...so what? 3 million phone calls were made, but if they aren't turning out to vote what is the use? I'll respect it more when I see it turning into votes. ",
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"content": "Politifact belongs to the Tampa Bay Times. Yes, that's the same Tampa Bay Times that endorsed Clinton. \n\nThat article rates his claims as mostly true because they only track the funds from the HVF to the DNC and state parties. The vast majority of that money is returning to the DNC and subsequently the HRC campaign. This has been reported upon for months. The DNC has found a loophole that effectively allows unlimited donations within the system. It would be a good thing for you to read sometimes. \n\nThose calls were actual voters interacting with other voters. Not because they're being paid or forced. They represent something that money can't buy. \n\n\nDo you agree that there are things that money can't buy? \n\nAre you being paid to argue with me right now? \n\nWe're allowed to disagree. We're even allowed to abuse one another. Doesn't make it right. ",
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"content": "You want to link me anything that might validate your conspiracy theories beyond your own rambling?\n\nAre you being paid to argue with me right now?",
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"content": "I love it how you think \"Hillary Clinton supporters hanging out in a sub BUILT FOR DEMOCRATS\" is a \"brigade.\"",
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"content": "Nope. I'm fine with HRC supporters. \n\nMy problem is actual brigade activity. \n\nI'm here everyday. Tonight I'm seeing dozens of usernames that I've never seen before. I'm not saying that *you're involved* but I am saying that there is brigade activity occurring here. ",
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"content": "Or they're people like me, who have been silent and lurking, just reading, but have had it up to here with the insanity in this and other supposedly politically neutral subreddits.",
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"content": "You should rewrite that. It's a garbled mess. \n\nThis sub is not neutral. It's pro-Clinton. The moderators are outspokenly pro-Clinton. There are several power users that are offensive and vile who are pro-Clinton. \n\nIt's fine that you disagree with me. It's fine that we all disagree. But Bernie Sanders is one of the two Democratic candidates running right now and he deserves as much respect and consideration as HRC. \n\nI highly doubt that you're a lurker. I know what I see when I'm looking at it. But I guarantee you that you're not helping. It probably doesn't matter to you because a buck is a buck, but voters supporting you should know that they're money and time is being wasted. \n\n",
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"content": "Exactly which polls are you reading, dude?",
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"content": "Don't call me dude. \n\nMost polls claim a ten point spread. Bernie usually outdoes those numbers. \n\nUnless one candidate can win 60% of the vote, the delegates will be split. ",
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"content": "Ok, pal.\n\nYou're saying, ace, that because \"Bernie usually outdoes\" polls numbers (not sure about that, by the way), this means Hillary just *can't* win New York? Even though I'm pretty sure I have yet to see a recent poll that shows Bernie within the margin of error? \n\nI'm sorry, chief, am I missing something here?",
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"content": "http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/16/1516313/-There-s-Something-Rotten-in-the-State-of-New-York\n\nUnless a candidate wins >60% of the vote, the delegates will be split. What are you not understanding? ",
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"content": "Oh, you're saying \"win\" NY with regard to the total delegate count, while I'm saying it with regard to the percentage. We're defining \"win\" differently in this context, it seems. \n\nAlso, that Kos diary you posted is VERY problematic. The comments lay it bare pretty well. ",
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"content": "We're going to win the popular vote. \n\nBut even if we don't, we'll be no worse off on Wednesday. \n\nThe best HRC can do is damage control. \n\nBtw, it's not necessary for you to attempt to talk down to me. It's not helping your case. ",
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"content": "Sigh...alright, keep on thinking that. Can't talk to a brick wall, bud. ",
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"content": "I'm not a brick wall. I'm a human being. \n\nYour tone and attitude are reason enough for most intelligent people to stop talking to you about anything. ",
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"content": "How's that working out for you today?",
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"content": "Yes.\n\nI won't be too rough on Wednesday. I am trying to be nicer. \n\n",
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"content": "Nah.",
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"content": "I will cite 538 stats if I have to.",
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"content": "Not really.",
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"content": "It's pretty bad, \n\nI still like Sanders, though. ",
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"content": "Finally something worthwhile! ",
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"content": "No not really. \n\nUnless she earns at least 60% of the vote, the delegates will be split. NY is likely to be a delegate wash similar to Wyoming, but it will likely have a greater affect on the HRC campaign than splitting those delegates did for us. \n\nIf we win, we'll most likely continue to win everything else. If it's close, it sends a serious message about Bernie's campaign, our energy, and our drive and about Clinton's vulnerability. \n\nIf it splits which is likely, we've neutralized her delegate game in a big way after a serious streak. \n\nSo no, not really. Like I've said over and over, this is going to the convention if it has to. ",
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"content": "Your predictions have not fared too well so far.\n\nIf Sanders misses his target, it means he can't win big states and his targets become much harder going forward.\n\nGoing to a convention is a pointless if you are hundreds of delegates behind.\n\nExcept if he wants a seat at the table, which is fine and welcome. \n\nBut don't think you can contest the convention if you are so behind. It will end badly. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "This isn't a prediction. This is just the way the system works. A split will leave us where we are now. \nWhere we are here is a matter of perspective. What you call \"hundreds\" I call *two hundreds.* It's unlikely that will increase this week, but there's always a good possibility that it will decrease at least a little bit. That's been the trend. \n\nIf Clinton can't win more delegates then she will have lost in a number of ways. You guys have been saying stuff like this about our campaign for months. Now when faced with the reality yourselves, you can't face the music. This is supposed to be her \"home turf\" and she has supposedly always had NY in her pocket. If she can't gain any delegates here then she's not doing anything as a \"frontrunner\". \n\nTrust me when I tell you that we won't be behind at the convention. \n\n",
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"content": "You said it wasn't a prediction, then you say it will be a split. \n\nWe award delegates by district.\n\nSanders may be crushed on Tuesday. \n\nSo you saying it will be a split is a prediction. ",
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"content": "The way that the districts and delegates are divided in the state requires that a candidate gets 60% orthe vote to earn a majority of delegates. Whether you like that or not is unimportant. That's just the way it is. ",
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"content": "I didn't say anything different, \n\nI am saying you predicting he won't lose that badly is a prediction. \n\n",
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"content": "It's not necessarily *my prediction*. Remember I told you that I don't much care for polls? Well since we're on the topic, the spread has been around ten points. That's a significant drop over recent weeks. \n\nBernie tends to outperform most polls, with a few exceptions. \n\nNY is totally feeling the Bern. Now is our time. This candidate is going to beat Hillary Clinton, and the best *she* can expect is a split. \n\nEither way, we'll see. ",
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"content": "So it is a prediction.",
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"content": "Yeah. It's a prediction. I don't think that HRC will be any better off on Wednesday than she is right now. It's more likely that this race will harm her more than it could ever help her. ",
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"content": "So the gap in pledged delegates won't be any larger after NY? ",
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"content": "> Still, when you give speeches to any industry group, you offer up some praise for the vital work they do. It's just part of the spiel. And Hillary knows perfectly well without even looking that some of that stuff is in these speeches—and it can be taken out of context and made into yet another endless and idiotic Republican meme.\n\nIn other words, fighting over this plays right into the hands of the GOP.",
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"content": "Not only that. If she let slip that she intends to run as president (or even said \"when I am president\") that would instantly end her presidential run.\n\nLet's not forget, the GOP have contacts in Goldman Sachs...",
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"content": "That would be completely out of place in a speech like this. Not to mention there would have been mostly republicans in the crowd who would have loved to use that against her. Hillary is not that dumb.",
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"content": "The speech was behind closed doors to employees. I can easily imagine her saying stuff like that to people she trusts. She represents them after all.",
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"content": "It was not behind closed doors to employees. It was an event with a large crowd of employees clients and friends and family. And these speeches aren't given by people who represent them. They're given by people who are famous. Famous people giving speeches at your company increases your company's prestige. Making you more attractive to clients.\n\nThey don't just invite policy makers (though at the time Hillary had no job) They invite famous athletes, performers, CEOs, foreign leaders, astronauts, and pretty much anyone that has an impressive career or life accomplishment. Making this out to be some sort of quid pro quo is absolutely absurd. Especially because no one had any idea if she was actually going to run and she had no job of power.",
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"content": "Where did you see that it was an event with a large crowd? Her paid speeches were for top-level managers only.",
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"content": "This is an extremely common practice. Why would they pay that kind of money for a speech to upper management? How is that profitable? These speeches are primarily for prospective clients. Its a way for rich people to meet and greet with famous people and it's a way for Goldman Sachs to sell their high end company services.",
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"content": "> How is that profitable? \n\nAre you beginning to see the light?...Now ask your self again why did they ask her to speak and what they got for for their 1/4 of a million dollars an hour.\n\nThere is only one reason a politician won't release any document. The releasing of it is more damning than the flack they will take for not releasing it.",
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"content": "Why would she have that level of a trust for a big group of individuals with diverse political persuasions?",
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"content": "Oh! Is is because no candidate ever has been asked to do it and only one candidate is being asked now and it is really just bating and bullying? ",
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"content": "New standards. I mean I'm sure she didn't even think this was going to be an issue back when she gave them but now it is. ",
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"content": "Oh come on what the fuck? It's literately a lose lose. When shes the only one who has them? How is anyone supposed to release their shit when they don't have any? \"I want to see your vagina\" - \"Show me yours first\" - \"But i'm a guy!\"",
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"content": "What??",
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"content": "Can someone enlighten me on that \"You didn't build that\" reference?",
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"content": "It's a phrase from the 2012 presidential campaigns.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that",
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"content": "well sorta that was Obama fumbling trying to deliver Elizabeth Warren's line of a few months earlier.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AMoBU7lFUA ",
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"content": "http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/you-didnt-build-that-uncut-and-unedited/",
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"content": "I'm having a little chuckle here because I suspect a lot of people upvoting this post have not read the linked article.",
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"content": "I suspect a lot of r/HillaryClinton raiding.",
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"content": "Honestly, if you see any evidence of that you should let the mods know. We're brigaded all the time and do not condone our users doing the same.",
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"content": "Ooh, now do one about Bernie's tax returns! No candidate has ever been asked to release transcripts of private speeches, but every candidate releases their tax returns... except Bernie. Wait, sorry, my bad guys, I was hoping for equal standards for both candidates, forgot I was on reddit. ",
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"content": "Sanders released his tax returns, and they were only exceptional in how boring they were for modern presidential candidates. Also not all candidates release all their returns. Romney resisted releasing his returns for months and then only released one year showing he paid only 13%. \n\nAnd this excuse that no other candidate has been asked to release speech transcripts is just a dodge. Different elections are about different issues and what candidates are asked to do varies every year. Looking at Romney's example, candidates usually resist releasing things they know are damning given the current political climate. Paying only 13% combined with his 47% comment pretty much lost him the election and fueled wealth and tax inequality as a major issue. Asking Hillary to release her transcripts given the issues of the Democratic primary and her campaign promises is well within the boundaries of acceptable requests. Just because it's Clintons greatest weakness doesn't make it off limits or bullying to ask for it.",
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"content": "Clinton has released decades of tax returns. It took sanders almost a year into the campaign to be bothered to release two of them. Why should Clinton have to go even more above and beyond than she already has when sanders can't be bothered to do even the most basic transparency? What could he be hiding about his own income? ",
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"content": "Nothing because he already released them. The only thing that makes those speeches suspicious was sanders rethoric combined with her not releasing them.\n\nEdit rethoric not retrofit ",
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"content": "He's released two. Let's see the rest. ",
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"content": "Fair enough. He looks like he is hiding something by not releasing them. The same happens to her by not releasing the speeches.",
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"content": "> What could he be hiding about his own income?\n\nAbsolutely nothing. He realised them, they were boring and nothing of interest was there. Even prior to releasing his returns everyone knew from his financial reports to the FEC nothing would be there, *including Hillary*. Sanders simply doesn't have enough personal wealth for anything interesting to show up. It was an obvious dodge, and yet I don't hear Hillary supporters chastising her for bullying on something she knew was a complete non-issue.\n\n",
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"content": "The Clintons employ accountants. All she has to do is ask and she can get anything she wants. \n\nI self-prepare, it would take me a few hours of work to get the past few years of returns, and crucially no one other than me would be able to do it. I couldn't just pay someone to do the work. I'm fairly young and my returns are much simpler than Sanders'. ",
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"content": "First, Sanders made over $200,000 last year so its not like he can't afford a trip to H&R Block. Second, I expect career politicians like Sanders and most other responsible adults to be better at record-keeping than you and to have their tax returns in a drawer in their home. Third, Sanders has had way more than a \"few hours\" to pull his returns - its obviously not like he's been spending the last year becoming a policy expert on *anything,* after all.",
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"content": "Sanders simply doesn't make much money. His wife does their taxes. The Clintons are now immensely rich, they have accountants, lawyers on retainer, etc. to do all this stuff for them\n\nEveryone knows this. He was virtually unknown on the national scene before a few months ago. He didn't expect to do this well and have to release his tax returns ",
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"content": "Sanders made over $200k last year. It doesn't take that much money to open a file cabinet and scan some returns. Sanders can afford a trip to H&R Block if he isn't responsible enough to keep his old returns on hand. *In the course of a year.* ",
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"content": "Yea, it's usually not done till the general election, after someone secures a nomination ",
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"content": "That must be a new rule, since every primary candidate on both sides had released tax returns by this point in both 2012 and 2008, and most have done so this time around as well. In yet another shocking similarity between Trump and Sanders, they are both hiding theirs from public scrutiny. ",
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"content": "That's simply incorrect. Romney didn't release till July in 2012\n\nIn 2008 Hillary released her returns right around this same exact time",
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"content": "Sorry, had been *demanded to* by people who expect more out of their politicians than you are comfortable expecting from Sanders. Good comparison though. ",
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"content": "I can't figure out what you're trying to say here",
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"content": "> Sanders released his tax returns\n\nCorrection: he released one return. Where are the eight years he promised?\n\n>only exceptional \n\nHis poor financial management is exceptional. He's earned a salary well above average and has no savings to speak of plus too much debt for someone his age.\n\nHe's also hiding his charitable donations and his wife's boondoggle salary for \"advising\" how to dump toxic waste on poor Hispanics is also exceptional.",
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"content": "You could've written that tax return from his financial disclosures to the FEC. There's no reason to believe anything else will show up in any other year. He's one of the poorest members of congress.\n\nPoor financial management? He's doing just fine, far better than most at his age. You're grasping at straws here. It must be infuriating to have to defend the Clintons messy financial history against something as pretty banal as Sanders. Infuriating enough to go full Rove. Its all she's got left. Then again the Clintons are the best at importing Republican tactics into the party, from Wall Street pandering, bank deregulation, to Rovian style political attacks.",
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"content": "> He's doing just fine, far better than most at his age\n\nNope. He has no savings and is carrying a big mortgage. Most people his age and in his income bracket have substantial savings and no debt.\n\n>to have to defend the Clintons\n\nStraw man much?",
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"content": "The mortgage is an initial mortgage for someone else. He has a rising income and has maintained it. You only need savings at his age if you plan to retire for a very long time. Obviously he hasn't retired.\n\nYou're clearly defending the Clintons here, so it's not a strawman. ",
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"content": "> The mortgage is an initial mortgage for someone else\n\nWhat? He's deducting nearly two grand a month but is paying the mortgage for someone else? Then where is the gift tax return for that?\n\n>You only need savings at his age if you plan to retire for a very long time\n\nIt's obvious to me you have no idea what you're talking about. The primary reason elderly people need savings is to pay for long-term care, because Medicare pays almost nothing for it. If Sanders or his wife are diagnosed with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, dementia, or any of a variety of long-term medical maladies, they have no savings to pay for it. Long-term care runs anywhere from $5,000 to $15,000 a month, depending on the condition.\n\n>You're clearly defending the Clintons here\n\nI've not even mentioned the Clintons yet you keep trotting out your straw man.",
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"content": "It's a mortgage for a direct relative. The tax codes are generous when it comes to money transfers between close family (grandparents, parents, children and grandchildren) and spouses, at least to a certain amount, and nothing here suggests he's even close to that. He also has a net worth estimated around $700k. Which is nothing noteworthy for someone whose worked as long as he has in the positions he has.\n\nHis financial planning is far above the average American, and only looks bad compared to the millions in complicated structures held by most every other candidate. \n\n",
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"content": "> It's a mortgage for a direct relative. The tax codes are generous when it comes to money transfers between close family \n\nAnything over $14,000 a year is subject to a gift tax. He's paying $23,000 alone in interest for someone else, plus probably part of the principal, so he is well above the gift tax limit just on the interest alone.",
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"content": "Citations for your statements on the state of the elderly in the US, please. I seriously doubt *most* people his age have a mortgage-free home or are debt free. Where are you living that you honestly think such things are true?",
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"content": "I'm 69 years old. Most people my age bought their homes in the 1970s when you could get no more than a 25-year mortgage. So it's pretty typical for people our age to have paid off the mortgage long ago. We also grew up in an era where people didn't use debt except for big purchases, so again it's not uncommon for older folks to have no debt.",
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"content": "Well, here's a lesson from the Internet: When you cite broad statistics, you're expected to back them up with reliable, trusted sources. Being 69, you should know this by now, but perhaps living in the protected environment you appear to reside and own property in - something I find common with Hilary's supporters - you're probably not exposed to the larger world around you. You might benefit from greater contact with your compatriots of average means or less. [Here's](http://www.aarp.org/content/dam/aarp/research/public_policy_institute/cons_prot/2012/nightmare-on-main-street-AARP-ppi-cons-prot.pdf) a good start, assuming, if you're an AARP member, you chose not to read it when it was sent to you. Just click on the link, ok? \n\nIt's dated from 2012, but other sources indicate there has been little change for the better during the interim and, in some regions, the situation is worsening. \n\nI'd really appreciate any sources you can cite indicating that most seniors in the US are mortgage-free, let alone debt-free.\n\n\n\nHere are some excerpts from the above source:\n\n\n>Despite the perception that older Americans are more housing secure than younger people, millions of older Americans are carrying more mortgage debt than ever before, and more than three million are at risk of losing their homes. Although the serious delinquency rate of the under-50 population is higher than that of the over-50 population, the increase in the rate of serious delinquency of older Americans has outpaced that of younger homeowners from 2007 to 2011. 1 As the mortgage crisis continues, millions of older Americans are struggling to maintain their financial security.\n\n> As of December 2011, approximately 3.5 million loans of people age 50+ were underwater—meaning homeowners owe more than their home is worth, so they have no equity; 600,000 loans of people age 50+ were in foreclosure, and another 625,000 loans were 90 or more days delinquent. From 2007 to 2011, more than 1.5 million older Americans lost their homes as a result of the mortgage crisis.\n\n>To date, public policy programs designed to stem the progression of the foreclosure crisis have been inadequate, and programs that focus on the needs of older Americans are needed.\n\n>Key Findings\n\n>Among people age 50+, the percentage of loans that are seriously delinquent increased 456 percent during the five-year period, from 1.1 percent in 2007 to\n6.0 percent in 2011. As of December 2011, 16 percent of loans of the 50+ population were underwater. \n\n>Serious delinquency rates of borrowers age 50–64 and 75+ are higher than those of the 65–74 age group. People in the 75+ age group are facing increasing mortgage and property tax expenditures and decreasing average incomes. Serious delinquency rates of the under-50 population are higher than those of the 50+ population.\n\n>Of mortgage borrowers age 50+, middle-income borrowers have borne the brunt of the foreclosure crisis. Borrowers with incomes ranging from $50,000 to $124,999 accounted for 53 percent of foreclosures of the 50+ population in 2011. Borrowers with incomes below $50,000 accounted for 32 percent. \n\n>The foreclosure rate on prime loans of the 50+ population increased to 2.3 percent in 2011, 23 times higher than the rate of 0.1 percent in 2007. The foreclosure rate on subprime loans of the 50+ population increased from 2.3 percent in 2007 to 12.9 percent in 2011, a nearly sixfold increase over the five-year period.\n\n\n>More Older Americans Carry Mortgage Debt\n\n>It is not surprising that older Americans would be affected by the mortgage crisis. \n\n>The homeownership rate for people age 50+ is approximately 80 percent. The percentage of people carrying mortgage debt as they age and the amount of that debt have\nincreased steadily over the past 20 years.2...\n\n>...It may indicate that the oldest borrowers have tapped their home equity to finance their needs in retirement. In contrast, younger age groups have seen slight declines in the percentage of families with mortgage debt. \n\n\n\nEdit: mobile c&p errors \n\n\n",
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"content": "AARP is showing stats for people above 50. I'm talking about retired folks 65 and up.\n\nHere's some unsolicited advice from an old fart: you attract more flies with honey than vinegar.\n\nI live in a solidly working class ethnic neighborhood. I'd be willing to bet I've seen a whole lot more of the larger world than you have, my friend.",
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"content": "Oh god, lol",
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"content": "He's released two. Let's see the rest. ",
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"content": "The money Clinton made just from speeches at financial institutions is over 5x Sanders *entire* income. You're punching down, with far less evidence than Sanders has about her transcripts.",
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"content": "Sorry her economic expertise is more valuable than Sanders'? That in no way excuses his failures at the most basic kind of transparency. You literally have to get them out of a filing cabinet and it took him a year just to get 2014 to us. He's a shady enough person that I absolutely suspect there's a reason for it, though you seem comfortable to assume that's it's just because of laziness or incompetence. ",
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"content": "It isn't shady at all",
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"content": "Kevin Drum? His entire routine is nothing is that big of a deal, including [the San Bernardino Shooting](http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/12/san-bernardino-shooting-gets-less-terrifying-day). He's like the opposite of an adrenaline junky. ",
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"content": "Hey everybody, they found one!",
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"content": "Are you serious? Muslims are overwhelmingly voting for Sanders. ",
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"content": "Source?",
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"content": "Source? \n\nJ/k. Here are some sources. \n\nhttp://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/muslim-american-voters-bernie-sanders-irpt/ \n\nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dearborn-muslims-arab-americans-bernie-sanders_us_56e16b5ae4b0860f99d7ea1f\n\n\nI'm just wondering... Have you ever tried to build anything? I can see how destructive and negative you can be. Have you ever tried building up instead of breaking down? \n\nEdit: removed a link. ",
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"content": "Nothing in your links says \"Muslims are overwhelmingly voting for Sanders.\" It says *some* of them are voting for Sanders.\n\n\"Some\" does not equal \"overwhelmingly.\"",
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"content": "Yes, I obviously made an elementary mistake with my links. Sorry about that. \n\nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dearborn-muslims-arab-americans-bernie-sanders_us_56e16b5ae4b0860f99d7ea1f\n\nBernie overwhelmingly won the Muslim vote in Michigan. I hope you understand as well as I do that sharia law is not coming to get you. Let me warn you... Don't play games with people's firmly held beliefs. I'm unaffiliated, but I firmly respect everyone's right to their religion. We don't have a problem with Islamic extremism here because we largely attract immigrants who've chosen to escape or at least avoid such circumstances. \n\nHas it occurred to you that some of these people might like the idea of a secular Jew arguing for their rights and interests? ",
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"content": "> Bernie overwhelmingly won the Muslim vote in Michigan\n\n/u/dutchsurfer is correct. Your own links don't prove your claim. They're just stories about Muslims who voted for Sanders. No stats, no percentages, no exit polls, no demographic breakdowns whatsoever, zip.",
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"content": "You're right. \n\nIt's unfortunate that no one is tracking this voter block. As a Bernie supporter I'd like to see Protestants, Sikhs, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Pastafarians, and everyone else vote for the same candidate. \n\nEvery last one of those faiths demand that we feed and shelter the poor and that we open our arms for our neighbors *and strangers*. \n\nLet me ask you, have you thought about a /r/basicincome? \n\n",
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"content": "> It's unfortunate that no one is tracking this voter block.\n\nExit polls do not do very specific breakdowns.",
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"content": "They get pretty specific about age and race. ",
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"content": "Nothing here says the majority of Muslims support Sanders. I however can demonstrate that the majority of Hispanics and blacks in any state you select support Clinton.",
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"content": "You're right. \n\nI've failed here. \n\nThere's just not enough data. \n\nThere will be soon. ",
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"content": "Well, we will see Dr. of what is it? How many minorities vote for whom on Tuesday. How about the if Mrs. Clinton gets the most, you don't post here anymore and vice-versa? After all, we should support the candidate whose supporters most look like the Democratic party, right? Where you also at that thing at Washington Square that looked like a KKK cookout?",
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"content": "How about you continue doing whatever you want and I continue doing whatever I want. \n\n",
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"content": "Right?, make your own conclusions.",
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"content": "And you have the balls to post an article about people not trusting the media and then commenting here? Who is this guy? Have you met him? Can you vouch for him? Yet you defend him. Dr. of what? You are the cause of that mistrust this and posting blatant lies from \"Seth Abramson, Assistant Professor of English at University of New Hampshire; Series Co-Editor, Best American Experimental Writing\". That is my own conclusion. How do you justify that? Can you vouch for either of these two people? Who has vetted their credentials to even speak as qualified journalists? How do you know they aren't even on the Sanders campaign, especially this guy? The NH guy isn't because the Sanders campaign wouldn't publish such crap. This stuff reads like paid propaganda. Do you know that it isn't?",
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"content": "I have a doctorate. My studies included political science, German Literature and Culture, and translation. One thesis was on Kafkaesque cinema for one master's. I did a case study on the GDR and West German Politics. And, yes, I am a Bernie Sanders supporter and work for a news site. ",
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"content": "I suggest that you put that on your blog then instead of the nonsense that is there now if you wish to be taken seriously. In fact I suggest that you include even more details of it since it is your own blog and not a vetted site. Can you understand my point of view on that?",
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"content": "I don't post garbage out here either. I post it from recognized quality media sites. Not from www.hopeyoubelivethisSlandersbs.com",
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"content": "I see you are not up for the challenge Dr. BS.",
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"content": "How about, if Hillary wins by the points from the most recent Emerson poll for NY, we're game. If she wins by 15 points, I will never post or comment here again. If she doesn't, don't post or comment here again.",
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"content": "http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/",
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"content": "Emerson is one of the worse polls out there. Don't pull that one on me. Clinton won Iowa by 10 according to them.",
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"content": "Not up for it?",
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"content": "Getting awfully personal there, Mike. Maybe you should avoid doxxing other users. ",
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"content": "He's also a spammer, a heavy spammer.",
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"content": "That does not surprise me.",
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"content": "Yup, just check user history",
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"content": "Do you know how polling works? A lot of the time it is just random people on the streets asking people passing by or those annoying people who call you during dinner. Of course they aren't 100% accurate.",
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"content": "Where this was posted is not my personal blog. It's my employer's blog. How are we to take you seriously when you can't even figure that out? ",
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"content": "~~Shock Poll~~\n\n**Garbage Poll**\n\nThe Gravis poll surveyed independents who cannot vote in the New York closed primary. It was a robopoll without a live pollster to confirm if the respondent was, in fact, a registered Democrat, as is necessary to vote in the NY primary.\n\nThis is the reason why 538 rates Gravis as only a **C** because of its notorious inaccuracy.\n\nhttp://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/\n\nhttp://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new-york-democratic/\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Nah.",
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"content": "Nah what? Nah you don't want to listen to the truth and instead want to cherrypick polls? The Romney supporters also did that in 2012 with their \"skewed polls\" narrative. How well did that work out for them?\n\nSome of the comments over at /r/politics are enlightening about this schlock poll:\n\nhttps://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4f9ser/shock_poll_bernie_sanders_cuts_clintons_lead_to/",
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"content": "Nah, not really.",
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"content": "Give them some time. It's gonna be a tough week for them. ",
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"content": "Nah. ",
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"content": "Baghdad Bobs. ",
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"content": "Nah, not really. ",
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"content": "\"There are no tanks in Baghdad.\" ",
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"content": "Nah. ",
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"content": "I zee nut-thing. I zee nut-thing. ",
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"content": "I've always felt this was true, she reminds me of a Republican in many ways, her voting record being one of them. ",
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"content": "Well it goes to show your feelings are wrong. And what about her voting record? Certainly not her voting record on gun control like Sanders which is like a Republicans or did you miss that part?",
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"content": "I'd imagine he means when she voted for counting the war in Iraq, for Wall Street subsidies, or continued support for ethanol production. Not to mention her plethora of opinions that have miraculously changed to a much more liberal view point now that she's trying for the nomination of a much more liberal Democratic Party.",
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"content": "I won't be rationalizing a loss tomorrow; it would be a heavy, heavy blow to the Sander's campaign. I also will not withdraw my support for him. Neither will I rationalize Hillary's voting record.\n\nI sincerely believe Sanders is the better candidate. You believe Hillary is; that's great. I'm glad we've both found people to support; this is what a race is all about. Far better to be passionate than lukewarm.",
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"content": "I would say that inspire of losing the campaign managed to bring this issues into focus which is a huge win. With everything against them they managed this far, so we'll done! ",
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"content": "Or, he could also mean the time:\n\nHillary voted with republicans for oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.\n\nHillary voted with republicans for the United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act. \n\nHillary voted with republicans for the United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act.\n\nHillary voted with the republicans for free trade - the Oman agreement.\n\nHillary voted against the Byrd ammendment and against a large majority of democrats to reduce Guantanamo funding by $36,000,000. She joined the republican majority against the majority of democrats in supporting Guantanamo. \n\nHillary voted against the majority of democrats who wanted to limit waiver authority of the president to exempt himself from certain requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 of nuclear materials from India to Iran.\n\nHillary broke rank with the dems to vote with the republicans against an increase of funding for part B of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act.\n\nOn immigration: Hillary broke with the dems to vote in favor of the much derided 700 foot fence.\n\nHow about pro-choice? Hillary didn't show up for:\n\nBrownback Amdt. No. 2708; To prevent contributions to organizations that perform or promote abortion as a method of family planning. Hillary NOT VOTING\n\nBrownback Amdt. No. 2707; To prohibit funding of organizations that support coercive abortion. Hillary NOT VOTING\n\n",
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"content": "I am pretty sure there were plenty of Democrats voting for oil drilling in the Gulf and free trade and you are deliberately being misleading. After all, free-trade has been a tenant of progressivism from the beginning. It isn't with Slanders because he isn't a progressive, he is a socialist. \n\nNow what about Sanders and Sierra Blanca, Texas? His 10 votes with Republicans against gun-control? His vote for the $1.5 trillion F-35 garbage fighter for a few jobs in Vermont? His vote for the Republican Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 which was one of the main drivers of the crash of 2008? Talk to us about those.\n\nSource for \"Atomic Energy Act of 1954 of nuclear materials from India to Iran\"? and Hillary broke rank with the dems to vote with the republicans against an increase of funding for part B of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act and On immigration: Hillary broke with the dems to vote in favor of the much derided 700 foot fence.\n\nWas here vote needed on the two Brownback Amendments? Yes or No?\n\n",
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"content": "weak sauce. ",
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"content": "Source on Wall Street subsidies? Opinions? Like Bernie's on communism, guns, etc?",
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"content": "You referred to three votes where most Democrats voted for. \n\nSo what you are saying is that Sanders is not a Dem, ",
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"content": "Which facts have you been alergic too? Try researching what you just wrote buddy. ",
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"content": "Source?",
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"content": "http://www.debgod.com/2015/10/11/hillary-clinton-in-2002/ \nThere is no denying that there are at least a few parallels.",
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"content": "Visit the mothers of Newtown, CT Bernie. They still cry in the night. I can feel their tears. Can't you?",
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"content": "Seriously. I'm a Hillary supporter and this feels gross. I'm sure they absolutely are still grieving. But you know what would help them grieve? Not having their loss used as a cheap political tool. Just leave it be. They have a disagreement. Bernie is not a monster because he supports sensible gun ownership. Lots of Americans do.",
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"content": "Sensible to own a gun which is advertised solely to kill people efficiently as possible? Assault weapons with high ammunition magazines are required why? I know, to cruise into Sandy Hook Elementary School and gun down as many children as possible in as short as time as possible. And Sanders voted for laws that allowed this to happen. This is one reason he loses tomorrow and in the CT primary and he can think about that until he dies.",
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"content": "Bernie supports a federal ban on Assault weapons. And he has supported banning other types of weapons specifically designed for hurting people. He gets a D- from the NRA. He's not gun friendly by any means. Again. Hillary supporter here. But this point of attack is absolutely bullshit and is nothing but a wedge issue. Just an attempt to widen a gap on an issue that for the most part Hillary and Bernie are together on. ",
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"content": "He supported starting last year after he decided to run for president. Let's call it like it is. Why won't he meet with the mothers of Newtown? Why doesn't he support their case against the gun manufacturers? He is a coward for refusing to meet with them. He voted against the Brady Bill. He suddenly became anti-gun in 2015. He got elected to Congress thanks to the NRA. Can't change his bloody, pro-gun history.",
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"content": "He's won reelection after reelection for 25 years. Strange they would continue to help him win elections after giving him a D- rating. Quit the bullshit. ",
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"content": "http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/\n\nhttp://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-vote-gun-immunity-black-market\n\nhttps://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/37/guns\n\nhttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/lupica-sanders-phony-gun-stance-blocks-justice-victims-article-1.2603816\n\nhttp://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-awkward-history-with-guns-in-america-119185\n\nhttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/nra-praises-bernie-sanders-gun-comments-debate-article-1.2555608\n\nhttps://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2016/02/26/esandersloweyamendment/1vtfzUtW0MxjtiYSSbbMvK/story.html\n\nhttp://theweek.com/articles/603044/bernie-sanders-not-nearly-progressive-think\n\nDo you need more?",
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"content": "Do you think a bunch of links of opinions from people who don't like his gun policy means he should apologize for his gun positions? \nThere isn't a problem with disagreeing with him. But to act like he is somehow responsible for Sandy Hook and should apologize is absolutely ridiculous. And it's hurtful to the party to smear one of our own in such a way. You can disagree without the faux outrage. ",
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"content": "Opinions from a bunch of people? Several are just a statement of his voting record. He was elected by the NRA the first time for Congress and that is also a fact. Just out a few minutes ago from blood Bernie, http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-clarifies-newtown-families-can-sue-but-they-should-lose/ He is going to lose CT, not that it will matter.",
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"content": "Do you even read the stuff that you post? \n\n>He was elected by the NRA\n\nSo now the NRA elects legislators? You're losing it man. ",
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"content": "Tell me where he got the money and support to beat the Republican incumbent from?",
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"content": "This guy really likes to repeat it all over the board, it just ticks me off, Its a weak point to push begin with. Theres plenty of things about Sanders to be skeptic about but this isn't one. ",
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"content": "> I can feel their tears.\n\nThat's some cringeworthy BS.",
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"content": "Really, maybe you can convince Sanders to stop being a coward and both of you can meet with them. Of course after tomorrow, losing in CT won't matter.",
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"content": "Hyperbolic nonsense. A typical irrational response. You've gotten to be as bad as some of your alter egos. ",
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"content": "This is hyperbolic nonsense, and the guy wants to be president? http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-clarifies-newtown-families-can-sue-but-they-should-lose/",
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"content": "Maybe he should get a job shitposting on reddit all day long. You two could become besties.",
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"content": "What's hyperbolic nonsense about saying they should lose their case?\n\nTheir case is *entirely* without merit.\n\nNow *this:*\n\n>Visit the mothers of Newtown, CT Bernie. They still cry in the night. I can feel their tears. Can't you?\n\nis hyperbolic emotional hand-wringing *nonsense.* What does it matter what they feel in this case? They're launching a baseless case against the wrong entity.",
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"content": "Nothing worse than when a gun nut comes over here and jumps into a conversation just to defend guns. This is posted in /r/gunsarecool too. Why don't you try there too?",
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"content": ">\"gun nut\"\n\nTry again.",
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"content": "Sour grapes, comrade. ",
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"content": "You have got to love \"pre-spin\".",
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"content": "New York has some tough rules because of historic corruption. It's why they've had voter ID for many years. \n\nIt's just that New York has rarely been involved in the primaries since we vote later in the calendar. \n\n\n",
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"content": "Tough if you are more interested in the worrying about the location of the next rave and not reading a newspaper.",
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"content": "Well, if you were independent you can't switch back. \n\nThis could cause issues especially for Republicans who could be wiped out if the primaries were open. \n\nSo there is a good reason for closed primaries. All primaries should be closed and give people enough time to join the party. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Would someone like to make an argument in favor of the rule rather than suggesting that criticism of it is spin and not a legitimate concern?",
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"content": "The last 3 states I have lived in had closed primaries and yet I never had a problem voting in them. Why is that? And I switched parties twice in one state. I did not find it difficult at all to participate in the process to carry out my civic duty. Anyone that complains is, sorry to say, more interested in obsessing over their cell phone, going out on Friday night, etc., instead of doing their civic duty. I have zero, no negative sympathy for them. They don't deserve to vote.",
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"content": "So you believe that we should create barriers to civic engagement so that only a select few comply with arcane rules get to have a say in something that impacts everyone?",
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"content": "Barriers for whom? \n\n\"“Nobody told us that we had to re-register,” said Toni Lantz, 24, who waited three hours to see Sanders speak in Rochester.\" -- Really nobody? Just the radio, TV, newspapers, flyers in the mail.\n\n\"Some did check the rules but couldn’t bring themselves to become Democrats.\n\n“The minute that he declared he was running, I was supporting him,” Isabel Madden, 68, said at the Washington Square Park rally. “But it was important for me to remain independent, so I’ve been going around, trying to convince people to vote for him.”\" -- WTF? Is this not stupidity defined?\n\n\"“I feel disenfranchised, too,” he said. “It’s ironic that I can vote on a $155 billion state budget, but next Tuesday I can’t vote in the primary. Maybe by 2020 we can change the law.\" -- The law?\n\n\"“I’ve never wanted to get registered with a party,” Lomazzo said. “I always want to remain independent. I’m glad I can keep loyal to that and still vote for Bernie.”\" -- Why not? Is there some type of taint or brand on your forehead?\n\nThere have been many closed primaries but suddenly it is a big deal. Why? Because many delegates and if Sanders loses, it is over for sure. And what about the caucuses? They are worse than any closed primaries, but I don't hear complaints from Sanders people or you about them since he has won most of them. Talk to me about them.",
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"content": "This is a primary not a general election. ",
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"content": "The Democratic party is not a vehicle for one man's ambitions or a way for people to protest their feelings against the establishment. It is a political party that through careful stewardship and hard work is the political party that has led the US through almost every major crisis back to prosperity. Independent's don't have the party's best interests at heart so they shouldn't have a role in determining the party's leadership. ",
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"content": "First, I think you overstate the history of the Democratic Party. I also think that your thoughts on party affiliation are a little dated. When the vast majority of Americans are independent and disengaged from politics, why shouldn't we invite them to the table?\n\nThe only risk of adding a wider population to the conversation is that an entrenched few become less powerful. Don't you feel like it's wrong of us to sabotage Democracy (and even to some extent our own party) to preserve our party's leadership?",
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"content": "> When the vast majority of Americans are independent and disengaged from politics, why shouldn't we invite them to the table?\n\nWhy not let Republicans vote too? The interest of independent voters isn't always in the interests of the Democratic party. \n\n>The only risk of adding a wider population to the conversation is that an entrenched few become less powerful. \n\nExcept what it really risks is drowning out Democratic constituencies and moving the party rightward. Most independents are conservatives or centrists and often hold more extreme views than Republicans. \n\n>Don't you feel like it's wrong of us to sabotage Democracy (and even to some extent our own party) to preserve our party's leadership?\n\nNo I think it's a lot of whining by people who only care about progressive politics every 4 years. Who then disappear when the midterms come and the real work has to be done. No thanks if they want a voice in party politics earn it. \n\n",
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"content": "Fair enough. You don't seem to believe that the party is responsible on any level for advancing policy and engaging voters. I disagree.\n\nI've been growing increasingly weary of a party that believes itself to be inherently right by virtue of party affiliation. It's a huge turn off.",
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"content": "> You don't seem to believe that the party is responsible on any level for advancing policy and engaging voters.\n\nYou might want to check out the party platform that's what the party pushes it's voted on at the convention. \n\n>I've been growing increasingly weary of a party that believes itself to be inherently right by virtue of party affiliation. It's a huge turn off.\n\nYou're getting caught up in campaign hype. Anti-establishment is fun but guess what if you want progressive policies it requires a strong Democratic party. ",
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"content": "> You might want to check out the party platform that's what the party pushes it's voted on at the convention.\n\nThe issue isn't the platform we outline, the issue is that we don't stick to it or promote it more widely. We have a product that we refuse to sell.\n\n> You're getting caught up in campaign hype. Anti-establishment is fun but guess what if you want progressive policies it requires a strong Democratic party.\n\nI've been politically involved and engaged for the entirety of my adult life and before then as appropriate. I'm not getting caught up in campaign hype, I'm speaking to my experiences. I would be absolutely shocked if you could honestly say that you've never met someone whose party affiliation mattered more to them than sound policy.",
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"content": "Independent's don't get things done period. Sanders career as an independent is extremely mediocre. Had he not been elected and a Democrat elected in his place the country would be exactly the same. Even though as you may believe Sanders or an Independent has better values they have no way to get it done. \n\n",
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"content": "Nice, we were trying to figure out which account was the one who was doxxing me I guess we figured out it was you. ",
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"content": "I'm sorry, it was a bit of an overstatement. Independents are a plurality according to the most recent data available per Gallup.",
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"content": "No [you're pretty much right.] (http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx) Independents are the largest of the three* voter blocks. ",
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"content": "[43% of Americans identify as independent.] (http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx) That means that less than 57% of Americans are affiliated with one of the two major parties. ",
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"content": "But they do have a role in determining the country's leadership, and more and more of them are moving away from your party.\n\nExcluding them from having a say about your nominee is a great way to make sure they care even less.",
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"content": "You say \"your nominee\", that implies its up to the party. \n\nPeople need to more consistently involved. That's the real heart of the issue. ",
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"content": "> People need to more consistently involved.\n\nThe implication being that they should be more involved in your party, but they're not interested in that, and becoming less so every day.\n\nThe heart of the issue is that the DNC has consistently failed to respond to this fact, and people are leaving in droves while you hemorrhage seats in Congress and state and local government. Next up, the Executive branch.",
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"content": "Uh, then go start another party. \n\nYou can't have it both ways, demanding to be included in a party process and then saying you don't want a party process.\n\n",
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"content": "\nI'm not talking about what's in the best interest of the general public and their rights or privileges. I'm talking about what's in the best interest of the party.\n\nMembers of the public forming another party (or alternatively just ignoring yours) because you've shut them out is not good for your party. Use your head for once.",
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"content": "Don't attack me because your argument doesn't make sense.\n\nIt's not in the best interests of the party to open primaries. It only dilutes the party affiliation. This is only a good idea if you want to do away with the party system.\n\nThe bests interests of the party are to get people to register with the party and stay involved even during off years. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> Don't attack me because your argument doesn't make sense.\n\nDon't blame the argument because you struggle with basic English.\n\n>It's not in the best interests of the party to open primaries.\n\nI've given a very good explanation for why it is. (Whether you understand it or not, others with better reading comprehension will.) Try your hand at explaining why it isn't.\n\n>It only dilutes the party affiliation.\n\nWhat the hell does that even mean, and why is it bad?\n\n>The bests interests of the party are to get people to register with the party and stay involved...\n\nThis is true without negating my point. In fact, it bolsters it. It would be in the best interests of the party to get people to join. A good way to do that is to demonstrate that your candidates represent the general public. A good way to do that is to allow them to have a say in the nomination process.",
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"content": "They do have a say and can join.\n\nJust register with the party. \n\nDiluting the party affiliation means you would have less and less people supporting a party. \n\nThat harms smaller elections the most. \n\nBut the broader problem is that open primaries make people who are not liberals or progressives vote in the primaries of the liberal/progressive party. \n\nYou are arguing for doing away with the party system, not strengthening the party. Which is fine, just don't confuse the two. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> Diluting the party affiliation means you would have less and less people supporting a party.\n\nHow will having independents support your party who otherwise wouldn't mean you'll have fewer people supporting the party?\n\n>But the broader problem is that open primaries make people who are not liberals or progressives vote in the primaries of the liberal/progressive party.\n\nBy the same token, all these non-leftists would have to do is register. In fact, that's precisely how we've ended up where we are today, with neoliberals like Clinton taking over.\n\nHaving closed primaries allows them to maintain control over the party. It becomes a problem when you start to lose control of government because you've driven all the voters away. Again, how we've gotten where we are today.\n\n>You are arguing for doing away with the party system\n\nI'm arguing for making the party more palatable to the general public, so the general public will vote for us, instead of ignoring us like they have been.",
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"content": "You keep referring to the \"general public\" as if Democrats are not the general public. \n\nAnd Clinton is more of a traditional Democrat than Sanders is. Sanders isn't even a Democrat.\n\nYou just defeated your own argument. \n\nThe \"general public\" isn't entitled to have access to a party process. Just like with other issues with Sanders supporters, they feel they are entitled to it just because they really want it. \n\nThen you smear the party and people who have actually been fighting for years as \"neo-liberals\" when Sanders supporters didn't even exist in this process before last fall. Didn't even bother to protest in 2014, they were nowhere to be found. \n\nNow they are Democrats come lately, angry the process (which has existed for years) change according to their convenience.\n\nNonsense. It's just the loser's narrative. So they have an excuse tomorrow and keep pretending Sanders can steal the nomination at the convention. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> You keep referring to the \"general public\" as if Democrats are not the general public.\n\nThey're part. So are independents.\n\n>And Clinton is more of a traditional Democrat than Sanders is.\n\n\"Tradition\" is the argument used by rightists and conservatives when they have no valid arguments to make. Whether it's truly the tradition or not, neoliberalism should be judged by its own merits.\n\nTradition is not an excuse to persist with something that is harmful, both to the country, (trickle down economics, deregulation, tax cuts, \"free trade\" etc. have all been disastrous to the US) and to the party (no one votes for neoliberals anymore).\n\n>The \"general public\" isn't entitled to have access to a party process.\n\nJesus Christ on a pogo stick, get it through your frickin' head that I am not talking about what the public should be entitled to. I'm talking about what benefits the party, and it benefits the party to have candidates the public is amicable towards. The best way to do that is to give them a say in choosing them.\n\nI've had to say that three times or more already. Learn to read, FFS.\n\n>...when Sanders supporters didn't even exist in this process before last fall...\n\nNow you need to learn your history. Sanders supporters have traditionally been Democrats or supported Democrats. Neoliberals have driven them away. Neoliberals are the reason they aren't Democrats any longer, when they would have been 30 years ago.\n\n>So they have an excuse tomorrow and keep pretending Sanders can steal the nomination at the convention.\n\nI believe there's a chance he could win, but I'm almost certain he won't. You're missing the point though. I'm not arguing for Sanders. I'm explaining why the Democratic party is falling apart.",
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"content": "You keep saying over and over that allowing non-Democrats to vote in a party system and not requiring them to party register, that it somehow is in the interests of the party. \n\nThat is not the case as I have explained over and over. \n\nIt's in the interests of the party to get more people voting Dem and registering as Dem. \n\nNo diluting themselves with open primaries. \n\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> No diluting themselves with open primaries.\n\nAnd once again, as I've already amply explained, registration is not a firewall against \"dilution\". The people you're worried about \"diluting\" your party can just as easily register.\n\nAnd in the meantime, by refusing people who aren't interested in becoming card-carrying members from having a say in the nomination process, you ensure that they're more likely to disapprove of your candidate, which is a bad thing if you want to win any elections.",
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"content": "Having a say in the nomination in a party is supposed to mean you are card carrying.\n\nI don't think you understand what a party is, ",
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"content": "Funny, I vote Democratic in literally every available election and I don't have such a card. My voter ID has my name and address on it. That's all. ",
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"content": "Your voter registration has Democrat on it though. ",
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"content": "No it doesn't. I never listed a party. It's not necessary. ",
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"content": "If you had closed primaries it would though.\n\nThis is a party process. ",
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"content": "We don't have closed primaries in my state. We're free people. ",
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"content": "Being free people /= open primaries\n\nDon't disrespect New York just because your supporters are too lazy to know the rules. \n\n",
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"content": "That's up to the party. If the party wants to make sure it nominates candidates who the public prefer, it's better to ask the public who they prefer. Period. End of story. Conversation over.",
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"content": "No. Conversation not over.\n\nJoin the party or wait for the general. \n\nNow the discussion is over. ",
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"content": "They will wait for the general, when they'll see the candidate you picked for them, refuse to vote for them, and it'll be your loss. Because you didn't give them the candidate they wanted, you're going to lose. That's what you're too short-sighted to understand.",
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"content": "Aw, they didn't get what they wanted?\n\nWell that's just too bad.\n\nIt's a good life lesson though.\n\n",
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"content": "> Aw, they didn't get what they wanted?\n\n>Well that's just too bad.\n\nIf the Democratic party doesn't give them what they want for the general election, *it means the party loses when no one votes for them*, which is exactly what has been and will likely continue to happen.",
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"content": "Yeah, I am sure the winners will be rushing over the losers offering them all they want. \n\nFirst thing the losers need to do is show some respect for the winning candidate. \n",
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"content": "I don't understand how someone could be so willfully ignorant of the democratic process.\n\nYou have an entire electorate to win, and you're not giving them what they want. It's not just Sanders' supporters, it's the entire voting public. And you think you can give them what they want without involving them in the decision? No. You can't. You haven't. It's part of the reason the Democratic party is falling apart. It's why you've lost nearly 1,000 seats, including governorships, nationwide in the past 5 years. It's why turnout is down and will continue to go down. It's why you're going to lose the Presidency.\n\nYou're pitifully short sighted, irrational, and an utter jackass. There's nothing else to say in this conversation. You've utterly failed to defend your point, and the truth is you have nothing to say. You can't even troll. It's sad. So we're done. I can't possibly care about anything else you have to say. Goodbye.",
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"content": "Are still mad? Because it read mad.\n\nNo, I would tell Sanders supporters to cool off for a few weeks. And give Sanders a seat at the table at the convention. And yes his delegates will be given concessions. \n\nBut don't start making threats, ever. \n\nNot the way to stimulate unity. It's childish. And remember, you lost. The demands of the constituents of winner comes first. \n\nAnd yes, some respect for the winner.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> Are still mad? Because it read mad.\n\nThis sentence more than anything shows how immature you are. Real human beings do get mad and deal with their emotions. Stop acting like it's a game. I don't like you. It's not a joke. Grow up.\n\nAs for everything else you're saying, it shows that you're not even on the same page as I am. We're clearly not talking about the same things. I'm not interested in holding your hand and trying to explain it to you any more than I already have. You're perpetually unable to communicate on a normal level. You quite simply have no idea what I'm talking about. As usual, my advice is to learn to read.\n\n>And remember, you lost. The demands of the constituents of winner comes first.\n\nThe constituents are who you're ignoring. That's the entire point. As I already said, I'm not interested in trying to spell it out for you. This conversation is over.",
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"content": "After the winners are taken care of, and the winner is shown some respect, we will discuss it. \n\nWhen we are ready. ",
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"content": "You don't even know what we're discussing. This is just sad. Quit making a fool of yourself.",
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"content": "So why doesn't this have the same negative impact on the Republicans?",
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"content": "His argument does make sense though. Don't you believe that our platform and values are strong and worthy enough to have a wider conversation about?",
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"content": "Sure, they should give people every oppty to register as Dem. NY is too early. \n\nBut the problem with open primaries is if they were all open, we could game the system.\n\nFor instance, since there were so many GOPers this year, Bernie could have run as a Republican and consolidated his support there, getting 35% of the vote. (This is what Bloomberg did in NY). \n\nWe would then have a scenario where it's Sanders vs Clinton in general election. Shutting out conservatives totally. Making the party system obsolete. (This is also what happened with Bloomberg)\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "You're using a hypothetical scenario as evidence?",
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"content": "I am using hypothetical scenario as an explanation as to why it's a bad idea.\n\nAn actual example was Operation Chaos. Where Rush Limbaugh asked his wingnuts to vote for Clinton in the 2008 open primaries so she could stay in longer and \"bloody up\" Obama. \n\n",
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"content": "Except none of the actual example you cite were successful in their attempt to undermine our democracy or the integrity of the part system. Don't you think your claims are a stretch?",
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"content": "The claim is only a stretch because all states are not open. \n\nIf all states were open, this would ultimately happen. \n\nAnd a lot of Republicans were pissed that Bloomberg co-opted the GOP primary in NYC when he was a Dem his whole life. ",
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"content": "> The claim is ~~only~~ a stretch because ~~all states are not open.~~ it relies on guesswork on what something *might* be like if the current situation were fundamentally different.\n\nFixed it for you. :)",
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"content": "Members of the party should be able to decide who represents them, not independents who are not in their party.\n\nBest way I have heard this argued for",
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"content": "Don't you feel that by limiting our engagement with voters we are simultaneously encouraging them to step away from the wider political discussion and the party itself?",
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"content": "Maybe, I'm not entirely for it but i understand the logic behind it.",
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"content": "And I absolutely agree, at least, that it's up to the party to decide which *method* is used for determining the nominee.\n\nMy point is that it behooves the party to make sure their method is the one that's most likely to produce the candidate who can win the most votes from the general public in the general election. Best way to make sure the general public likes your candidate is to allow them a say in the nomination process.\n\n",
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"content": "I did already. ",
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"content": "But they can vote in the general election, thus the reason, and necessity, in most states for open primaries; so that the party doesn't end up nominating a candidate who the general public has no interest in voting for.",
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"content": "Like in all the caucuses that Sanders won but didn't complain about?",
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"content": "Irrelevant. You'd think after trying and failing to use misdirection so many times, you'd learn to construct an actual argument, but it looks like you're just a one trick pony after all.",
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"content": "Been there, done that.",
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"content": "It's not a general public process. It's a party process. ",
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"content": "You're completely and utterly missing the point.\n\nThe party absolutely has the right to decide whether their nomination process is open or not, but my point is that it's in their best interest to allow the general public to weigh in or the general public is going to be less interested in voting for your candidate in a general election.\n\nIgnoring the will of the public is a great way to make sure your candidate can't win a general election. If you want to make sure your candidate can win votes from the general public, you should seek their opinion on the issue.",
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"content": "That is an assertion not supported by facts.\n\nThe general public process is the election. Parties put up their nominees for that election. \n\nOpen primaries just muddy the process. \n\nThe \"general public\" should either register with a party or stay independent. I was independent for a long time. \n\nThe real issue here is that Sanders supporters were not Democrats. That's fine. Sanders wasn't a Democrat either. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> That is an assertion not supported by facts.\n\nWtf are you talking about? It's common sense that if you want a candidate who is more likely to meet with approval from the general public in a general election, you should involve the general public in determining the candidate in the first place.\n\nGood god, it's like your capacity for logic is permanently damaged.\n\n>The real issue here is that Sanders supporters were not Democrats.\n\nExactly. He brought people to the table who otherwise don't care about your party. If he's the candidate, they'll vote for you in the general election. If he isn't, most of them will go right back to ignoring you *and they won't vote for you in the general election*. Is it starting to make sense now?\n\n*You need their votes.* If you ignore their opinions, you won't get them.",
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"content": "The general public is involved. If they are registered with the party.\n\nAnd that last part you said is key. \n\nSanders supporters want to co-opt the Democrat party process to push a non-Democrat, and then are getting mad that their non-Democrat voters can't vote for their non-Democrat candidate, in the Democrat primaries. \n\nIf you don't see the absurdity in that, you must be a Sanders supporter.\n\nMaybe Sanders should have run as a Republican. Because then the voters would have been split enough he would be in the lead for their nomination. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> Sanders supporters want to co-opt the Democrat party process to push a non-Democrat, and then are getting mad that their non-Democrat voters can't vote for their non-Democrat candidate, in the Democrat primaries.\n\nI'm getting mad that the DNC is driving the party into the ground and that you're steadily losing control of the government. I couldn't give a damn about the rest.\n\n",
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"content": "And you want us to believe Sanders is the answer?\n\n",
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"content": "He's pulling in independents, isn't he? He's reaching the people you're driving away.",
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"content": "Driving away?\n\nThey voted for Obama in 2012.\n\nStop blaming voter laziness on me or some party. If people stayed home in 2014 its on them. No one else.\n\nBernie hasn't increased Dem turnout. Turnout is down from 2012. And down from 2008.\n\nThe self-importance goes hand in hand with the sense of entitlement. \n\nYou guys are creating this fantasy that is going to disappoint a lot of your naive supporters when the world doesn't change for you. That you can just quit if life doesn't accommodate you. \n\nYou are doing them a disservice by not giving them the reality check. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": ">That you can just quit if life doesn't accommodate you.\n\nJust because we're abandoning your sinking ship doesn't mean we're quitting.\n\n>You are doing them a disservice by not giving them the reality check.\n\nThat's not why I'm here. At the moment I'm delivering your reality check, chump.\n\n>Turnout is down from 2012. And down from 2008.\n\nNow maybe you're starting to see the bigger picture.\n\n>Bernie hasn't increased Dem turnout. \n\nJeez, how daft can ya get. If he's attracting independents, he's increased the turnout *from what it would be if it was just Clinton*. Not only would turnout overall still be down, *it would be even lower without Sanders.* It will be lower once he's gone. Which is going to suck going into a Presidential election against Herr Drumpf. Say goodbye to yet another branch of the government, Democrats.\n\n> If people stayed home in 2014 its on them.\n\nThey chose to stay home because choosing between two neoliberal parties isn't a choice at all.\n\nIf you can't attract their vote, it's on you. Deal with it.",
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"content": "You are saying \"would be\".\n\nLike everything with Sanders, its not what is, it's what \"would be\". \n\nSanders has not increased turnout. Fact. Anything else is speculation. ",
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"content": "There you are gagging on basic English again. Careful, you're going to hurt yourself.\n\nSanders brought in people who otherwise wouldn't have given this party a second look. That means he literally increased turnout.",
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"content": "Kry all day bout my English, son. \n\nSanders is supposedly causing a revolution but can't even catch up to Hillary. ",
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"content": "Irrelevant. As usual. You're all fluff. Always have been. Always will be.",
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"content": "Irrelevant that he can't win the states Dems need to win?\n\nIrrelevant that he only wins states that Dems will win anyway? \n\nFunny how facts are irrelevant to Sanders supporters. ",
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"content": "Whatever point you're trying to make is irrelevant to the conversation. You're trying to derail the conversation because you realize you don't have a point worth making.\n\nYou're too much of a coward to admit that you're wrong about Sanders increasing turnout, so instead you try to turn the conversation into something else.\n\nYou're just another cringe-inducing internet tryhard who never has anything to contribute to the conversation.",
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"content": "You mad bro?\n\nToo bad. Gonna be a long night. \n\nSanders did not increase turnout. Fact. \n\nIt's time facts are presented here. Sorry. ",
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"content": "Common sense tells me there are only three dimensions and there is no spooky effect with particles and electrons can't be both a wave and a particle too.",
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"content": "You and I both know that human behavior is much more intuitive than quantum physics, but come on baby; I've given you plenty of opportunity to become acquainted with [the spooky effect](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW20P7N7QZk).",
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"content": "Really? Do you have any evidence for that assertion? I didn't see that statement come up in any of the caucuses Sanders won.",
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"content": "It's common sense. You're intelligent enough to understand the democratic process.\n\nThe interests of a smaller subset of people aren't always going to align with the interests of a larger group.\n\nIf you're throwing a party, and you have to order 20 pizzas that you want to make sure everyone else at the party are going to eat, you're better off asking everyone what toppings they want than conferring with you're best friend, who has the same taste for pickled anchovies and blue cheese as you.\n\nIt's your party, and you have every right to order whichever pizza toppings you please, but if you want to make sure people at the party aren't going to leave or decide to put in an order at Herr Drumpf's Schnitzel Palace, you should probably involve them in the decision.\n\n>I didn't see that statement come up in any of the caucuses Sanders won.\n\nIf you've been reading along, you've already seen me say that the entire nomination process should be more open; of course, we both know that nothing would have changed in the caucuses he won if they were more open. He probably would have just won by larger margins.",
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"content": "This is stupid. ",
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"content": "I thought it made a good point. \n\nIt's certainly hilarious. ",
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"content": "That money would've been better spent for people in need, rather than throwing it away like litter.",
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"content": "Meh. It's nothing compared to the money that's being thrown away by both major political parties this year. ",
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"content": "But that is one of the points, that campaigning itself is like throwing money at nothing. It has very little productive value, but politicians are still beholden to it. If there were clear campaigning limits on how soon people could campaign or how much they could spend in total, it would minimize the impact of outside funding and lobbying.",
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"content": "Including all the money Sanders took in?",
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"content": "I made me laugh, I too think it is Hillarious.",
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"content": "Can you elaborate a bit why you think this is stupid?",
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"content": "Because it supports \nSanders. \nIf it were for HRC, Vega would be all for it.",
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"content": "Bullshit. \n\nI have been against this type of foolishness for nearly 20 years. \n\n",
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"content": "Yeah, conservatives usually dislike any kind* of organizing. ",
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"content": "This is not organizing and I am not a conservative. \n\nMoreover, conservatives have actually been organizing better than progressives the last several years. \n\n",
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"content": "You actually believe that? Have you been paying attention to the GOP presidential race at all? ",
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"content": "Have you been paying attention to Congress, the Senate and state houses for the past 6 years?",
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"content": "Because it's meaningless, misguided and has zero effect. \n\n",
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"content": "How do you think it is meaningless and misguided?\n\nI think it had at least some effect, given the media reported it and we're here debating about it. Big money in politics, and all that.",
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"content": "No, it's a spectacle.\n\nGetting attention doesn't mean you made change, ",
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"content": "Childish and meaningless.",
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"content": "The money for this charade came from a trust fund billionaire who inherited a store chain that sells junk and outdated food in low-income neighborhoods. **Another Billionaire for Bernie**.",
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"content": "Well while this is disappointing, it is still an interesting protest tactic. Do you have a source on the funding for this?",
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"content": "It's not disappointing that billionaires think they don't pay enough in taxes, as bernie is aiming to change.",
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"content": "> Do you have a source on the funding for this?\n\nIf you read the article linked above, it has a link to another article that identifies the funder of this stunt: Howard Gold. As /u/circularoad correctly states, Gold inherited billions of dollars from his father, who started the 99 Cents Only Stores which he sold to two hedge funds shortly before his death for $18 billion. That fortune was divided upon his death between Howard and his sister. Howard lives on a massive estate next to Clooney's. So in a nutshell: it was hedge fund money being thrown at Hillary's motorcade.",
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"content": "fuck the third way neo-neocons in particular!!!! democrat=FDR not ronald reagan!!!",
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"content": "Because FDR didn't get involved in military adventures overseas that resulted in democracy-promoting regime change? Military adventurism has been a hallmark of Democrat presidents as much as Republican ones. ",
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"content": "And every single President has used the \"moral imperative to act\" argument since FDR too, from Korea to Libya. ",
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"content": "and that's where judgement comes into play hrc 0-2",
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"content": "It must be fun to be an armchair general. You're not responsible for anything, you don't have to make any tough choices, you can just wait for after the fact and then tell everyone how right you are. You don't hear Bernie talking much about his brave opposition to the first Gulf War, which liberated Kuwait, preserved the international system and prevented a huge spike in oil prices, or his votes to fund all the wars we're now engaged in. ",
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"content": "1984 and horribly misleading YouTube videos from a guy named \"RonPaulTrainer\"? You can't be serious. ",
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"content": "Stop being evil as compared to what?\n\nWhat is the standard for not being evil? Specifically? ",
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"content": "Not bombing people?",
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"content": "Not supporting regime change? ",
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"content": "Which means, in the case of Libya, tacitly supporting a regime we have already supported that is massacring their citizens. I'm glad we didn't invade Libya and I'm glad it was an international effort, but just because the current results are not desirable doesn't mean it was necessarily a mistake. \n\nThe situations like Syria and Libya are those where there is no clear right answer. If you act like just doing nothing or doing X would solve everything, then you're just not informed. These are hard choices where we have to choose between doing nothing in the face of evil (that we arguably have a moral imperative to get involved to stop since we had previously helped those regimes...), or to get involved then be called a war-mongering interventionist. \n\nNeoliberal is a thing. Obama and Hillary are both neoliberals. It is NOT the same thing as a neocon. You can have problems with neoliberalism too, and you can even be isolationist (that's a perfectly reasonable position). \n\nBut if you call Obama and Hillary Neocons and if you act like just saying \"look at Libya\" is an actual nuanced critique, then I have no respect for you ability to interpret world events. ",
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"content": "Thanks, but I didn't call them neocons. ",
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"content": "Sorry, I know I was replying to you specificly but this thread and the /r/democrats subreddit is replete with people calling Hillary a neo-con and it drives me bonkers. She's not my favorite person but the caricature of her coming from liberals (who will need to gather around a nominee regardless of who it is) is not doing anyone any good.",
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"content": "Not at all or just less bombing?",
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"content": "Land of Republicans.",
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"content": "You single out Republicans but it's a nation wide problem. A bigger problem is why less than 20% bother to vote in non-presidential elections. Land of the Lazy and Home Of The ME!",
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"content": "Three things solve this or start to:\n\n- Mandatory Voting\n- Direct Voting via abolishment of the electoral college\n- No super delegates",
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"content": "And getting rid of first past the post voting. Single transferable voting makes more sense to me, but I've heard decent arguments for others too. ",
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"content": "Single transferable definitely makes the most sense by far. I love how efficient it is at allowing people to vote for the candidates they like rather than the ones that would probably win. Some elections may look fairly different if that were the case. ",
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"content": "A \"land of the me\" mentality does seem to affect conservatives a little more than democrats. Although, when it comes to politicians, there's almost no difference. ",
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"content": "It's not just the GOP.\n\nThe fuckery with the DNC & their shameless bias for Hillary is unconscionable.",
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"content": "All I hear is other Western democracies need more MURICA. ",
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"content": "http://www.sott.net/article/316517-Land-of-the-free-New-reports-shows-the-US-ranks-dead-last-in-electoral-integrity\n\nI was just banned from Reddit SandersForPresident Delaware Pennsylvania Maryland and California for posting this. \n\n\n\n\n#CrookedHillary #ElectionFraud #VoterSuppression ALERTS:\n\n#CTPrimary it has been reported that Hillary's been sending out incorrect voting locations to probable Bernie supporters. Please double check use #FeelTheBern.org and official #BernieSanders site.\n\n#RIPrimary 66% of your voting stations have been shutdown. Contact RI Board of Elections to get an EmergencyMailBallot. This is verified. This happened in the #ArizonaPrimary. Waiting times to vote were sometimes over 5 hours. The #ArizonaPrimaryHearing decision is being contested by a large number of disenfranchised voters in a lawsuit.\n\n#PAPrimary it being reported that #BernieSanders name is NOT on the ballot. Write him in. I am trying hard to get more information on this.\n\n#CAPrimary One half million voters were reported to have been registered incorrectly to vote. Please check your voter registration and print it out with date ASAP. It is NOT too late to fix this.\n\nIn the recent #NewYorkPrimary Polling Locations and hours were changed after 5PM the day before the election. Again, please double check by contacting #FeelTheBern.org or official @BernieSanders sites before you leave to cast your vote. 2 Verified Sources --> Got That. \n\n\n#DavidBrock 's #CorrectTheRecord Hillary SuperPac has spent $2 million on #HillaryTrolls and Moles to disrupt #BernieSanders Activists Social Media Network. \n\nPlease share and look for updates on #DocumentingElectionFraud on Facebook. WE must try to alert the next round of voters to the problems they are likely to encounter when they attempt to vote.\n\nLatest: https://youtu.be/ORoXanoqXwQ #NYVoterPurge bigger than Brooklyn!",
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"content": "^ doesn't know Citizen's United was an attack on Clinton.\n\n",
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"content": "Kinds contradicts your statement. \n\nClinton has always opposed CU. \n\n",
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"content": "My response to his deleted comment:\n\nUtter bullsh*t. The rules of the game are the rules of the game.\n\nClinton has always opposed CU. You op-eds are not proof. \n\nYou Sanders supporters need to stop this McCathyite bullshit.\n\nClinton has always supported the campaign finance laws we had, opposed Citizen's United since it was about her, and has opposed it since.\n\nSuperPACs act on their own accord and are legal. \n\nStop your lying. It's why you are losing. Everything is evil or corrupt if it's not your Sanders' dogma. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> SuperPACs act on their own accord and are legal.\n\nYou are correct, they are legal. That doesn't mean that they are healthy for our society, and it doesn't mean that people should inherently accept them.",
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"content": "You should really watch Colbert's series on superPACs. It's enlightening. ",
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"content": "> Clinton has always opposed CU.\n\nIn so far as she's said as much. She's never actually backed her words with action.",
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"content": "Her actions have always been to benefit as much as possible from the ruling while also finding loopholes to other campaign finance laws. ",
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"content": "That's true. If I'm not mistaken, some of the people she regularly associates with are also known for their weaponization of election rule and law. While I feel wanting the rules to be followed is not inherently a bad thing, I find the politicization of the rules to be distasteful.",
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"content": "What type of action would you like?",
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"content": "I don't know what was said, but we've had this conversation before. While the details of the CU case were against Clinton, the legal precedent set by the ruling has not in any way, shape or form hindered Clinton. In contrast, many would argue that she has benefited from it more than almost anyone (if not the most). ",
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"content": "He said she is its biggest supporter. \n\n",
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"content": "That's not the same as supporting. ",
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"content": "Two comments removed for no reason whatsoever. ",
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"content": "What did they say?",
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"content": "Well mine was this:\n\n>This sub is a huge disappointment. \n\n>Edit: unnecessary censorship is just one example of that. \n\nI guess you're going to report me for quoting it right? ",
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"content": "No. Why would I report you when I don't report the rightwing swill that cspan posts? ",
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"content": "The other comment said this:\n\n>Love the downvotes, a sub for democrats, that downvotes the news that 120k more people just joined up. What is this a f#$&/%+ country club? Lol.\n\n\n\nCensorship is mine. ",
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"content": "Okay that one is a bit much. ",
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"content": "No not really. It's a valid point. 120k new voters in a single state (53% of which were women) is big news. We should all be cheering. \n\nIt's a disgrace that it would be downvoted. \n\nThere is no explicit rule against profanity here. I'm feeling that it's kind of implied at this point, but what that user said wasn't directed at anyone in particular and it makes an excellent point. ",
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"content": "I dunno. Not my call. I have been asked to tone down my potty mouth before.\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "I've been asked. I think that if profanity itself is the problem, /u/backpackwayne's approach is preferable. Remove the comment with a warning and the opportunity to remove the offensiveness. \n\nDisappearing otherwise valid comments without notification isn't cool. ",
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"content": "Not possible, I keep reading how Sanders supporters can't register. ",
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"content": "An unfortunate victim of the faux outrage machine. I fail to see the problem in using the term when many democrats tell workers one thing while accepting millions in campaign \"donations\" from the people who own the companies they work for. Frankly, if anyone should be outraged it should be actual sex workers who have more dignity than politicians who sell out their constituents they claim to represent.",
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"content": "Right and Texas is Slanders territory.",
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"content": "How ironic of you to refer to Bernie Sanders as \"Slanders.\" What an unbelievable amount of projection.",
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"content": "We get it, you hate bernie, the candidate that isn't bought and paid for by corporations for hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop. He's so bad like that.",
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"content": "We?",
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"content": "Everyone reading your last 3 posts here.",
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"content": "Cry some more. Gonna be a long week. \n\nAlso, physician heal thyself. ",
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"content": "Ok...",
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"content": "Self-examine.",
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"content": "Thanks, I'm good.",
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"content": "Self-examination complete?\n\nGood. No more projecting. ",
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"content": "Ok, I'm going to leave you alone now. You can play doctor by yourself.",
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"content": "Okay. Glad I could help you correct yourself. ",
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"content": "Good, what a disgrace.",
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"content": "Please. Spare us the false outrage. ",
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"content": "Yes, because sexism isn't a problem, therefore any outrage must be false.\n",
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"content": "Sexism is a problem. But the man's comment, while offensive and obviously a mistake, wasn't intended to be sexist. The point is that our politicians are being bought and paid for by the wealthy. ",
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"content": "Yes, and the use of a derogatory gendered term to deride a female candidate can't *possibly* be internalized sexism.\n\nDifferent perspectives, back off. I have my right to be outraged. Disingenuously question it if you want.",
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"content": "I'm not being disingenuous. You know that there are male prostitutes too right? \n\nLike I said his statement was a mistake and it was offensive, but stop acting like he intended to make a sexist slur against the candidate. ",
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"content": "that is what I believe he intended to do. You are free to believe differently.\n\nMale prostitutes are less prevalent and have their own gendered slur. ",
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"content": "Male prostitutes are pretty common. They represent roughly 20% of the prostitutes in the US and the average age they enter sex work is fourteen. \n\nI agree that the statement was offensive and tasteless. I disagree that it was intended to be sexist. ",
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"content": "See? We agree to disagree. Easy.",
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"content": "When you cry wolf on stupid stuff like this you allow REAL sexism to be propped up. A corporate whore can be male or female, a corporate whore is anybody that takes big money contributions from corporations to do their bidding while at the same time pretending to be a populist. If it were Joe Biden or Martin O'Malley or Harry Reid or Chuck Schumer or any male democrat in Hillary's position I would use the exact same verbiage. It is unbelievably ludicrous to accuse the most liberal people in this country of being sexist.",
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"content": "I think this is real sexism. There are words that fit better than \"whore\" in context. There is obviously a conscious decision to use that word, particularly because it is not commonly used in such a way. Therefore, I perceive this as sexist. You obviously think differently. Fortunately for me, you don't have any influence over what I think.",
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"content": "LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU... Why are you here? If you're not intentionally trolling you're just a sad person.",
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"content": "You don't call a woman a whore.\n\nJust like you wouldn't call a black man a monkey. Even if you don't mean it as racist. In context, it's racist. \n\nGet a clue. ",
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"content": "I am not crying. You are one fumbling to make excuses. \n\nOf course he says that now, because he got caught. \n\nProbably cost Sanders a lot. \n\nToday is the rude awakening. ",
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"content": "Lol I'm fumbling? I reworded my original answer in simpler terms so your tiny brain could absorb what I'm saying a bit better",
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"content": "Yeah, I am sure you automatically know what he intended. \n\nIt's highly disrespectful and standard m.o. for the McCarthyites among Sanders supporters. Not to mention unnecessary and stupid. The same tripe we see from the tea party yahoos. \n\nIt will make today's win even more sweeter.\n",
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"content": "I do know what he intended because I can understand context, unlike yourself. Are you just using words you think are cool now? \"McCarthyism\" has nothing to do with anything you're talking about. Even if Hillary wins today she won't win without Sanders supporters in November so go ahead, keep alienating people like me, you'll regret it. ",
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"content": "In the context he was referring to Sanders' opposition. Which is Clinton. Who is a woman.\n\nThat's why he apologized and resigned. ",
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"content": "you're seeing things that are just not there",
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"content": "Yeah, he could never be just a jerk, right?\n\nHe's one of yours so you will defend him no matter what right? \n\nWe know the playbook. We have seen it from Trumpsters for months. ",
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"content": "you're projection is so amusing, its not like you wont defend every last word coming from a Clinton surrogate don't even front",
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"content": "So you are accusing me of doing what you are blatantly doing on this thread, and to top it off you are accusing me of projection??\n\nMan, you people are verging on derangement. I knew I made the right choice when I didn't jump on that loon wagon.\n\nSanders will lose because his supporters are intolerant fascists. Our version of the tea party. \n\nAt least it's over tonight and then Sanders supporters can go back to their cop-out lives instead of pretending they really cared about these issues and not their delicate self-entitled egos. ",
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"content": "It wasn't out of context. I heard the entire quote. \n\nAnd Sanders supporters demanding anything from Clinton supporters is fucking laughable. \n\nShow some respect for our candidate, or piss off. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Well... bye.\n\nWe know we can't depend on you anyways.\n\n",
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"content": "And please don't threaten us. We aren't going to cowtow to threats. \n\nIt is McCarthy-like, accusing without proof and guilt by innuendo.\n\n",
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"content": "Show me the proof, then. \n\nActual proof. Not Sanders-circlejerking. \n\nProof of corruption. Bet you can't and then you'll run and cry, ",
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"content": "Uh, none of prove and pay for play. \n\nNot a single one. \n\nYou said proof. I still await it. \n\n",
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"content": "So cash has no influence over lawmakers unless theres a signed document explicitly outlining a quid pro quo? You're in so deep I can't possibly fish you out, lost cause.",
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"content": "You must be a fascist if you think people should have to prove innocence instead of you proving guilt.\n\nYou said you had proof. Where is it? ",
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"content": "The proof is in all of the articles that I posted that you did not even care to read. There's no way you read all of them beginning to end.",
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"content": "No, there was no proof in there. \n\nThere were examples of correlation = causation fallacies.\n\nThat's not proof, junior. ",
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"content": "Where is your proof?\n\nDon't call her Dear Leader, you are the one acting like a fascist dictator. \n\nI will continue to check to see if you provide some proof. \n\nAnd anywhere I see you I will ask for it. ",
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"content": "Lol k. ",
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"content": "That's what happens when you lie.\n\nNo wonder you folks are losing so badly. ",
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"content": "You lied when you said you had proof of quid pro quo. \n\nYou do not have proof, you are therefore lying.\n\nThis ain't Cuba. ",
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"content": "Except the proof is in the articles of quid pro quo, you just choose not to believe it, just like Republicans choose to not believe climate science.",
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"content": "The proof is not there. \n\nThere is not a single shred of proof. \n\nPlease paste the actual proof here in the comments, if there is proof. \n\nBet you can't, liar. ",
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"content": "Look, I've given you links to the articles, read them for yourself. I'm not going to go through all of them and paste quotes from articles you've already arbitrarily dismissed. I'm not going to waste my time doing that because you'll just come back and say it doesn't \"prove\" anything. Take it or leave it, you're just as bad as the climate change deniers.",
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"content": "I leave it, because there is no proof. \n\nIt's a smear. Dismissed. ",
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"content": "Followed on Twitter. He should get a promotion and raise for telling the truth.",
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"content": "The Clinton campaign's official response to Weaver's bold-faced lie:\n\nEarlier today, the Sanders campaign wrote a letter to the Democratic National Committee, falsely accusing us of violating campaign finance law.\n\nYou won’t be surprised by what happened next: 26 minutes after the letter was sent, his campaign sent a fundraising email attempting to capitalize on the phony charges.\n\n(Before you read any further, let's get one thing straight: this accusation is false. They're questioning our joint fundraising agreement with the DNC, which allows us to support Democrats running up and down the ticket -- the same fundraising structure used by President Obama in 2008 and 2012.)\n\nThis latest incident is part of a troubling pattern of behavior -- occurring just as Bernie’s mathematical odds of winning the nomination dwindle toward zero -- in which Sanders and his team are not just debating us on issues (which we all agree is perfectly fair), but rather attacking Hillary Clinton’s character, integrity, and motivations.\n\nThe fact that they include the Democratic Party in these charges -- an organization we want future generations of progressives to trust and support -- further confirms that the Sanders campaign has let things get out of hand in its waning days. To wit:\nOver the weekend, they had protesters outside one of our fundraising events -- one whose proceeds went not just to Hillary for America, but to the Democratic National Committee and 32 state Democratic Parties -- throwing dollar bills at Hillary’s motorcade, as if they were at, shall we say, an adult entertainment venue. This was just days after someone introducing Bernie at a rally called Hillary a “Democratic whore.”\n\nIn last week’s debate, Bernie questioned Hillary’s commitment to fighting climate change because a whopping 0.2% of the money given to our campaign has come from employees of oil and gas companies. Not even 2%, mind you: 0.2%. And of course, Sanders spent several days calling Hillary unqualified for the presidency, based on an entirely false claim that Hillary had said the same about him. She hadn’t (and still hasn’t, even after what he said).\n\nTo be clear, we welcome a debate on the important issues facing Americans, like how to prevent gun violence, encourage tolerance, and do more to level the playing field for Americans who are counting on us.\n\nBut it’s hard to see how anyone -- other than Donald Trump and Ted Cruz -- benefits from this downward spiral of irresponsible and baseless attacks. Right about now is when we ought to be talking about coming together as a progressive movement, not undermining a generation of voters’ faith in the Democratic Party and in the woman who is almost certain to be its nominee.\n\n",
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"content": "Nobody is saying the practice is illegal, they are saying that it is possibly illegal (we don't no for sure because no one has ever done it before), but the campaign is concerned it is corrupt, and disingenuous to those contributing, which it is.\n\nBTW both these funds have the same treasurer ,CFO, email and address, they are one fund, represented as two.",
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"content": "An election law expert's response:\n\nhttp://electionlawblog.org/?p=81996",
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"content": "Legally gray area(blog or not), ethically, shady as hell, for weeks now the campaign has been talking about this money being for \"down ticket\" purposes, even George Clooney in his statement seemed to think as much, when in reality it is being channeled back to Hilary's campaign in a very prevaricated manner, and much of it seems to be going to HRC getting an advantage in mail in ballots, the DNC is supposed to be impartial, remember? it's seems humorous but that is the party's own rules. How is channeling money to one candidate in such a fashion impartial?\n\nCall it whining if you want,but Sanders is calling them out on this, and he is right to do so.If this is how they are playing it, fine, but let people know about it and they can at least decide for themselves.",
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"content": "> George Clooney\n\nTIL George Clooney is an election law expert.",
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"content": "> \" for weeks now the campaign has been talking about this money being for \"down ticket\" purposes, even George Clooney in his statement seemed to think as much\"\n\nAt no point did I refer to him as an election law expert, I referred to the fact that the money was not being used for what he seemed to think it would be used for, which he stated as the reason he chose to fund raise for the campaign.",
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"content": "> the money was not being used for what he seemed to think it would be used for\n\nThe only \"proof\" for that claim comes from the Sanders campaign, not exactly an objective source on this issue.\n\nThe Sanders campaign is hypocritical for castigating the Clinton campaign's fundraising when the Sanders campaign is the one with the serious fundraising problems and illegal contributions:\n\nhttp://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/542/201603300300040542/201603300300040542.pdf\n\nhttp://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/994/201604060300040994/201604060300040994.pdf",
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"content": "Lol, a book keeping error? Pretty sure there's no dark money in Sanders campaign, there would be easier ways to get it, like speeches for example.\n\nAnyway we can let the people decide, that's why some of them still have a vote.(Unless the DNC changed that too)",
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"content": "The FEC said nothing about a \"bookkeeping error\" -- there is a discrepancy of more than $10 million. You also conveniently ignored the other link, which showed more than $1 million in illegal donations to the Sanders campaign.",
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"content": "Why is the Sanders campaign lying? ",
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"content": "Hit piece garbage. There is no choice as to what this money had to be used for. ",
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"content": "Apparently it is now against the rules to be even somewhat critical of r/Democrats. It's easier to moderate a comment than it is to try and discuss or refute it, or so it would seem.",
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"content": "Nonsense. Smear-circle jerks. ",
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"content": "Perhaps you can explain to me, then, why the original comment was moderated?\n\nAlso, we need to stop using smear in situations when it isn't an accurate word choice.",
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"content": "I dunno. What did it say? \n\nAnd yes, smears. We've been seeing them constantly from Sanders supporters. \n\n",
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"content": "> And yes, smears. We've been seeing them constantly from Sanders supporters.\n\nYou know that smears aren't just something that you don't like, or don't agree with, or don't think is fair, right?\n\n> I dunno. What did it say?\n\nYou're the one who called it a smear-circle jerk (which, actually, should be smear circle-jerk because smear doesn't modify circle, but whatevs). Are you suggesting that you made an accusation without any understanding of the discussion?",
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"content": "You were the one talking about refutation. \n\nA smear is guilt by innuendo. Not just unpopular talk. \n\nThe Sanders machine has been doing it for weeks. Implying Clinton is corrupt, with not a shred of proof.\n\nSo tell me again what's not being discussed here?\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> You were the one talking about refutation.\n\nYes, because my post which violated no rules was moderated without explanation.\n\n> A smear is guilt by innuendo. Not just unpopular talk.\n\nI know what a smear is, although I frequently see it misused by you and others in this sub. And ... Actually \"guilt by innuendo\" is not really a smear. A smear would be an outright lie. And while I've seen plenty of lies on both sides around here, the use (and misuse) of the word is more prevalent among one group than the other. ",
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"content": "You haven't seen me misuse it. \n\nAnd it's also by innuendo. A McCarthy tactic. \n\n\"Clinton took money from eeeevil bankers!\"\n\nThat's not a discussion topic to be refuted. It's a smear tactic. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "I have seen you misuse it. You're misusing it now.\n\n> And it's also by innuendo.\n\nBy what definition other than your own personal connotations?\n\n> A McCarthy tactic.\n\nA tactic that we have actually seen from the Clinton campaign this election cycle as well ...\n\n> \"Clinton took money from eeeevil bankers!\"\n\nAre you suggesting the Clinton hasn't taken money from bankers?\n\n> That's not a discussion topic to be refuted. \n\nCertainly it is. You could argue that that money influences her, or that it doesn't. You could argue that the bankers are \"eeeeevil\" or that they are not. There's lots of room for a discussion and interpretation of facts here. What you seem to dislike is that other interpret the facts differently or place different values on each of the facts.\n\n> It's a smear tactic.\n\nAgain, just because you disagree with something or feel it is an unfair assessment doesn't make it a smear.",
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"content": "More nonsense.\n\nSanders supporters hate Wall Street and banks. They say they are bad. \n\nNot some of them. Them in general. That they corrupt pols. \n\nThen they say Clinton is a big receiver of money from these same banks.\n\n\nImplying she is bad as well. Implying she is corrupt. \n\nWithout a shred of proof.\n\nIt's not up to us to disprove your BS accusations. Its up to you to prove your assertions. That's called logic. \n\nBut Sanders supporters can't prove shit so they just go on and on with the same garbage. \n\nGuilt by innuendo. Smears. Lies.\n\nSo please spare me your water-carrying and deflection. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "The problem with your assertions is that you overgeneralize and do your best to remove any ambiguity or nuance from the situation. For someone who bemoans negative implications, that's an unusual tactic to choose to support your positions.\n\n> Sanders supporters hate Wall Street and banks. They say they are bad.\n\nI don't hate Wall Street or the big banks. I feel like they haven't lived up to the expectations that our wider society has of them and require additional oversight and regulation to protect everyone.\n\n> Not some of them. Them in general. That they corrupt pols.\n\nI'm not entirely sure which them you are referring to here as it's written really unclearly. I'm assuming that you mean the banks? If so, then I believe that banking isn't any more inherently corrupt than any other industry. They have to manage competing interests, and I believe that we as a society need to impose stricter regulation to give them additional guidance that will assist them with managing those competing interests more efficiently and effectively.\n\n> Then they say Clinton is a big receiver of money from these same banks.\n\nClinton has received large amount of money from large financial institutions.\n\n> Implying she is bad as well. Implying she is corrupt.\n\nIf you don't feel the institutions are bad and corrupt, then her connection to them shouldn't be a problem. If, like me, you simply believe that additional regulation is required to help these institutions prioritize their interests more appropriately, then the question isn't about whether or not Clinton is corrupt. The question is about 1) whether or not Clinton truly believes additional oversight and regulation is necessary, 2) if her plans would truly help solve the problems, and 3) if she has the political capital to accomplish any regulation. \n\n> Without a shred of proof.\n\nIn answering the first question, I feel as though Hillary Clinton does not truly believe that additional oversight and regulation is necessary. I base this on the fact that her ties to Wall Street aren't something that she even considers problematic. At least she does not believe that they are problematic enough to explain, even in the interest of simple transparency. So we're already off to a bad start.\n\nIn answering the second question, I feel as though Hillary Clinton's proposals are a start but that they rely too heavily on existing regulation which has largely failed us. Could she do better? Yes. Could she do worse? Also yes.\n\nIn answering the third question, I don't think that Hillary Clinton has the kind of political capital that is often attributed to her by her supporters. This primary has been pretty competitive despite the significant advantages that Clinton had coming into it, and I believe that is evidence of Clinton's weakness as a campaigner and as an undesirable candidate.\n\n> It's not up to us to disprove your BS accusations. Its up to you to prove your assertions. That's called logic.\n\nI've outlined and explained my position (in a logical way). You've not taken the time to understand or analyze opinions that you don't agree with, so I don't expect you to offer a counter argument or a satisfactory explanation of your own positions.\n\n> But Sanders supporters can't prove shit so they just go on and on with the same garbage.\n\nWe're not talking about something that is as simple as \"prove\" or \"disprove.\" We're talking about what counts as evidence and what that evidence means. There's a lot of room for personal interpretation. I know that's not satisfying, but it's life.\n\nBut let's take a step back and look at your behavior, and that of several other participants in this sub. Would you suggest that you've always offered carefully worded and insightful comments expressing nuanced opinions? Would you say that the Clinton supporters in this sub generally adhere to a higher standard than those of the Sanders supporters?\n\nI would suggest that you haven't offered much beyond going \"on and on with the same garbage.\" I would also suggest that there is a wide variety of content posted by the supporters of both candidates. Some of the content is valuable, some is not.\n\n> Guilt by innuendo. Smears. Lies.\n\nAgain, I've seen plenty on both sides throwing around innuendo and outright lies. Does that discredit the opinions of Democrats as a whole?\n\n> So please spare me your water-carrying and deflection.\n\nWhat was that you were saying about innuendo and lies?",
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"content": "What you have included in there are a lot of distinctions.\n\nThose same distinctions are not made by Sanders. He doesn't say some banks or some folks on Wall Street. He says \"Wall Street\" and the \"Big Banks\".\n\nHe doesn't say corporations that are breaking the law. He says large corporations.\n\nAt no point has he ever addressed what is supposed to happen to our retirement savings under his not-detailed-at-all-plans. \n\nYet he expected to win NY, or at least his supporters did, a state whose GDP depends on Wall Street a great deal. Not to mention hundreds of thousands of people who work for large corporations.\n\nHe needs to explain this, and stop with the canned speech. \n\nRegarding Clinton, no I don't think taking money for her campaign is wrong. \n\nTaking money for personal finance after she left State is a problem. But just in terms of optics.\n\nI don't think she is anymore compromised than Obama was. Meaning, not perfect but okay. \n\nSanders blew it because he is running as if it's both a political system and economic system revolution. \n\nAnd that does not happen top down. \n\nYou may disagree, but what's factual is Sanders is losing because of this.\n\nJust a little more detail on how it would work and less socialist rhetoric would have pushed him over.\n\nLastly, his supporters did him no favors by being absolutely insufferable on social media. That won him no crossover appeal. \n\nBecause anyone who was seen as even supporting Clinton was considered part of the problem. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Perhaps you haven't followed Sanders as closely as I have, but his opinions seem just as nuanced as mine if you consider what he says critically. Like any politician, you have to get beyond the general rhetoric to get to the meat of the message.\n\nAdditionally, I feel as though he has on several occasions outlined his proposals rather extensively.\n\nFinally, I don't know that you can isolate a variable out of thin air and declare that it is the reason that the primary race is the way it is. There are a lot of factors.",
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"content": "I have followed Sanders for years. \n\nHe does not believe in these orgs as private institutions. He does not believe in high finance risks. \n\nIt's not a flaw or wrong, per se. It is what it is. Just like Ron Paul does not believe in public institutions like the Fed. \n\nIt's makes them both men of high integrity and honesty. \n\nBut not President. \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "She's just like your abuela! ",
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"content": "What's wrong with that?",
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"content": "My abuelita didn't kill Berta Cáceres.",
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"content": "What's wrong with the Clinton Campaign's tone-deaf assertion that Hillary Clinton is just like your abuela?\n\nIt ignores the real life struggles that people of color and people living in poverty face. Even the most stanning of Clinton stans would concede that her life does not resemble the lives of the people she hopes to represent in any meaningful way, and it hasn't for a while.",
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"content": "She didn't grow up rich. Certainly Bill didn't. \n\nShe is a grandmother as well.\n\n",
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"content": "Are you suggesting that the struggles that Hillary and Bill Clinton have faced throughout their lives are comparable to those faced by Latinos today?",
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"content": "Bill has it closer to knowing what it's like, as he grew up poor. \n\nBut no candidate running knows what it's like being a Latino today. How could they?\n\nHow is that a standard? \n",
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"content": "> Bill has it closer to knowing what it's like, as he grew up poor.\n\nI've explained it in this sub before, but there are different ways of experiencing poverty, and that's without considering the racial dynamics involved in this situation.\n\nThis response largely ignores the criticism that the lives of the Clintons are vastly different from the people whom they hope to appeal to, and they have been for a long time. At this point, I would suggest that Bill Clinton has more experience being wealthy than he does being poor. Certainly that's nothing to hold against either candidate, but it's the reason they have to be so careful in how they appeal to people.\n\n> But no candidate running knows what it's like being a Latino today. How could they?\n\nThat's the point, and why so many people feel uncomfortable with the blog post about the similarities between Hillary Clinton and \"your abuela.\" While it was well intentioned and actually relatively cleverly written, it was also mildly offensive for ignoring that. Again, this isn't something that is held against anyone. It's just something that a smart politician needs to navigate.\n\n> How is that a standard?\n\nIt's been talked about because recognizing diversity also means recognizing differences and honoring people's struggles regardless of your experience of the world. The only standard involved is the one that any particular community sets for its politicians, and many in the Latino community felt that this highlighted a disconnnect between the Clinton campaign (and the Clintons themselves) and the Latino community.",
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"content": "Many Latinos thought that? Really??",
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"content": "Yes, really.",
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"content": "According to whom? ",
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"content": "[Here's a New York Times article about it.](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/24/us/politics/hillary-clinton-is-not-my-abuela-critics-say.html)\n\n[Here's a Salon article about it.](http://www.salon.com/2015/12/23/not_my_abuela_twitter_explodes_in_outrage_over_hillary_clintons_hispandering/)\n\n[Here's a NPR article about it.](http://www.npr.org/2015/12/26/461116160/-memeoftheweek-hillary-clinton-not-quite-an-abuela)\n\n[Here's a Huffington Post Latino article about it.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-sostaita-/dear-hillary-let-me-introduce-you-to-my-abuela_b_8865684.html)\n\n[Here's another Huffington Post Latino article about it.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clintons-team-thinks-shes-just-like-your-abuela-twitter-disagrees_us_567988d7e4b0b958f6582047)\n\nI'm curious though. Are you being obstinate because you disagree with the sentiment, or are you just unfamiliar with the criticism that Hillary Clinton's feminism is the feminism of yesteryear that incidents like this highlight?",
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"content": "Uh, maybe it's news to you but Twitter is not an accurate reflection of the public. It's barely a tiny fraction. \n\nLOL. \n\nSo that is your proof that \"Latinos\" have issues with Clinton? Twitter hashtags?\n\nAnd you even cited the same Twitter nonsense in each article. ",
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"content": "And now you're dismissing the concerns and feelings of real life people because you disagree with the political implications of those concerns and feelings.",
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"content": "You spoke of Latinos as if it was indicative of the population. \n\nNot Sanders Twitter followers, who have been known to harass people. \n\nWhat proof do you have from the Latino general population? Not less than 10% of the population? ",
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"content": "> You spoke of Latinos as if it was indicative of the population.\n\nNo, I said many Latinos felt uncomfortable with the blog on Clinton's campaign website. You then asked for evidence that many Latinos felt uncomfortable, and I provided it.\n\n> Not Sanders Twitter followers, who have been known to harass people.\n\nAre you suggesting that a Latino's experiences are somehow less valuable if that particular individual supports Bernie Sanders?\n\n> What proof do you have from the Latino general population? Not less than 10% of the population?\n\nI guess I'll just ask you. Do you feel it's appropriate for the Clinton campaign to compare Hillary's experiences of the world to those of the Latino population?",
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"content": "Depends on the context. \n\nI don't think the campaign saying she is just like your abuela implies a connection to the Latino experience. \n\nIt simply means she is like your grandma, but pandering to Latinos. \n\nAnd no, Sanders supporters (though of them who don't harass and stalk people online) are no less important, but not indicative of the Latino community as a whole. Latinos are not monolithic, even less so than black Americans or \"white\" Americans. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> Depends on the context.\n> I don't think the campaign saying she is just like your abuela implies a connection to the Latino experience.\n\nSee. We're having a discussion about facts as evidence, and the interpretation of that evidence. There's a lot of room for discussion and disagreement.\n\n> It simply means she is like your grandma, but pandering to Latinos.\n\nPandering. Agreed.\n\n> And no, Sanders supporters (though of them who don't harass and stalk people online) are no less important, but not indicative of the Latino community as a whole. Latinos are not monolithic, even less so than black Americans or \"white\" Americans.\n\nWe are again in agreement, and I would urge you to take the wider diversity of thought within these communities into consideration moving forward.\n\nI was recently at a seminar discussing diversity in the legal profession, and one of the points was that it isn't just about diversity but also about inclusion. Being inclusive is a choice that must be made every day, and requires a practiced mindfulness of the experiences of others.",
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"content": "I take all diversities of thought under consideration. I was a fan of Bernie years before most of his supporters even knew who he was. \n\nJust like I was a fan of Ralph Nader going back decades.\n\nWhat I am not a fan of are Bernie supporters who are crossing the line. And yes, they are going farther than Clinton supporters.\n\nI don't need or want to accept them into anything. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> What I am not a fan of are Bernie supporters who are crossing the line. And yes, they are going farther than Clinton supporters.\n\nGoogle self-confirmation bias ...\n\n> I don't need or want to accept them into anything.\n\nAs a Sanders supporter, I can promise you that I don't care if you need me or accept me into anything. I exist without your permission.",
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"content": "1) My accusation of Sanders supporters crossing the line is supported by fact. \n\nExample include nearly shutting down Liz Warren's FB page over a rumor. And they are harassing super delegates using personal information like Facebook pages and cell numbers. \n\n2) No one said you don't exist without my permission. \n\nWhat I said was don't talk about having an open mind about other ideas and be surprised when you are marginalized after you smear the chosen candidate and attack her supporters.\n\nWhere is the open mind with die-hard Sanders supporters?\n\nFacts show more Clinton supporters would support Bernie. \n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "1) I didn't say that some of Sanders' supporters haven't crossed the line. I said that you must be blind if you haven't seen similarly abhorrent behavior from some of Clinton's supporters.\n\n2) I've not smeared or attacked anyone.\n\n> Where is the open mind with die-hard Sanders supporters?\n\nWhere is the open mind with die-hard Clinton supporters?\n\n> Facts show more Clinton supporters would support Bernie.\n\nI said have an open mind, not compromise your personal convictions. If people have strong feelings about Hillary Clinton (or Bernie Sanders) that's fine. There's no need to be rude about it, or to assume that people don't have valid reasons for supporting one or the other.\n\n ",
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"content": "I have never seen a FB page nearly shutdown due to a brigade from Clinton supporters.\n\nNor have I ever seen Clinton supporters publicly share super delegate personal information to press them to switch votes. \n\nThe open-mindedness of die hard Clinton supporters is displayed by their willingness to support Sanders. \n\nShit, I would support him in a second. I don't care if he wanted to nationalize the banks. We must prevent the GOP from controlling the whole gov't. Period. \n\nI am not die hard Clinton supporter, though. \n\nBut I will be rude to those who are rude. No such thing as freedom from criticism. She doesn't deserve that shit. She gets enough of it from the GOP. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Getting a little desperate for Hillary smears I see.",
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"content": "Why did you remove the comment? It doesn't break any rules. ",
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"content": "I didn't remove anything.",
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"content": "A moderator removed /u/Trevor5ever's comment. It's still visible in his account history. ",
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"content": "Wasn't me. I'm on mobile so it is hard for me to check right now.",
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"content": "I'm seeing a lot of comments being removed that violate no rules. ",
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"content": "I suck on the phone. I'll check it out when I get home.",
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"content": "I'd actually be really interested in an answer, posted publicly in this thread, from the moderator who moderated the above comment.",
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"content": "Sometimes I feel like we use the word \"smear\" a little too frequently. This isn't a smear, just some people's opinion.",
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"content": "About hot sauce?",
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"content": "I never said that it was terribly consequential, just that it's not a smear.\n\nAnd, to be fair to Hillary she does eat a lot of peppers to ward off campaign sickness. I've never heard of her carrying hot sauce, but you never know.",
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"content": "If you are from the South and you spend anytime in Yankee land, you learn to do what is necessary to survive.",
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"content": "Hillary Clinton isn't from the South. And, at this point, she's lived outside of the South for the majority of her life.",
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"content": "She was told she needed to #feeltheburn",
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"content": "Well that is bad news for BS in NY then. But you knew that anyway. UV'ed for confirming what I knew by feel. They underpredicted Clinton's wins in SC, FL and LA. FL I think because of the debate and the Castro question caused a huge swing. No idea on the rest. Why doesn't someone ask Nate Silver directly? Best thing counterpunch has done because they did do opinion. I imagine their analysis will be a mess though.",
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"content": "Yeah, I disagree. \n\nNew York is going to end up being a lot like Michigan. You'll see. This time tomorrow, I'll poor out a little of my beer for you. ",
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"content": "Damn, you post something that shouldn't give you that confidence. Should have waited until Wednesday.",
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"content": "> New York is going to end up being a lot like Michigan.\n\nMichigan and New York are about as alike as a potato and a Prius.\n\nNY is a closed primary. MI was an open primary.\n\nNY has an extensive polling history that creates a reliable polling model. MI has almost no polling history which therefore results in an extremely unreliable polling model.\n\n",
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"content": "Are we in the same thread? Have you not noticed the deficiencies in recent polling in New York? ",
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"content": "> the deficiencies in recent polling in New York?\n\nTIL any poll that doesn't show Sanders winning is immediately dismissed as \"deficient.\"",
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"content": "Hello. So what were you saying again about New York polls?\n\n#:)",
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"content": "Stop it, dude. It's getting sad. ",
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"content": "Don't call me dude. ",
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"content": "Stop it, buddy. ",
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"content": "I'm not your buddy, friend. ",
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"content": "Okay, amigo. ",
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"content": "Still amazes me that people think this is a bad thing.",
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"content": "What Hillary makes for giving a speech? ",
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"content": "She's feeling the .01%. Like Trump says, the rich make us great. Hillary/Trump 2016.",
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"content": "I agree. Fifty years ago the only way she would've been allowed in the speaking hall was to check coats. Today people around the world pay good money for the privilege of hearing her speak.",
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"content": "Exactly. People want to hear what she has to say.",
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"content": "They would prefer politicians that are poor. \n\n",
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"content": "Is it OK if I quote the first Republican president in this subedit?",
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"content": "Long as it's relevant.",
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"content": "Very. \n\n\n\n\"Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.\" The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, \"Reply to New York Workingmen's Democratic Republican Association\" (March 21, 1864), pp. 259-260.\n\n\"I don't believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good. So while we do not propose any war upon capital, we do wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich with everybody else.\" The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume IV, \"Speech at New Haven, Connecticut\" (March 6, 1860), p. 24.\n\n\n",
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"content": "Have at it.",
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"content": "Let's do it!\n\n",
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"content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykpjFjsEdl4",
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"content": "http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-exit-polls/index.html",
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"content": "CNN sucks so bad,",
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"content": "Yea, I leave it to you guys to watch TV, I only do print media websites. I can't stand them.",
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"content": "10 min to close. ",
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"content": "What will happen regarding the Brooklyn voter purge? ",
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"content": "Nothing. ",
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"content": "That is not true, there will be a lot of angry people who thought they lived in a democracy. ",
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"content": "Not really. This isn't a new thing. \n\nThis is from purges. It's why you should register annually. \n",
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"content": "http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/nyc-election-board-leaves-125000-people-off-voter-rolls-amid-widespread-confusion/",
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"content": "What a mess. Best of luck to all. ",
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"content": "Yes, about 8% of Bklyn voters?\n\nGeez, the conspiracies are gonna start churning. ",
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"content": "I dont understand how you can be dismissive about this, 8% is a huge margin! ",
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"content": "I don't know what you are looking for. \n\nIt's why you have to make sure you are registered. This is NY with millions and millions of people. \n\nHopefully they get it straightened out by November. ",
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"content": "Straight up in November? Maybe people who voted for sanders should just quit this game, and let Clinton and her rooters to suffer while gettin owned by Trump",
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"content": "What are talking about? \n\nIs this a meltdown?",
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"content": "If Clinton gets a net 20-25 more delegates, the Sanders campaign is practically out of this race.\n\nYes, i said it. ",
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"content": "Right now, if the percentages hold, it will be more like Clinton nets 45-55.",
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"content": "So it's over? Can we use the Frodo meme yet?\n\n",
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"content": "Fun game, what time first network/media calls it. Winning time closest not before the actual time.",
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"content": "9:28",
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"content": "Come on guys/women! Don't have to be pro-Clinton or Sanders.",
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"content": "9:06 pm.MSNBC. ",
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"content": "What an optimist! What about Republican? 9:01?",
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"content": "Yeah, they will announce Trump then Clinton.\n\nExit polls say under 30 demo was only 17% of the vote??? \n\nDoesn't look good for Sanders. \n\nAnd Trump probably will get like 90 delegates. \n\n",
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"content": "MSNBC calls NY for Turnip. ",
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"content": "So far it's 54%.",
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"content": "9:42 (EST)",
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"content": "I am doubling my fun, 9:05 Republican, 9:28 Democrat!",
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"content": "9:17 republican & 9:42 democrat",
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"content": "Pessimist!",
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"content": "Nah..., we all know who is going to win tonight. Donald has it in the bag. They will know that immediately. It'll take an extra half hour to do the same for Hillary.",
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"content": "In a certain subedit \"Just a reminder to y'all tonight: if you start to feel anxious or sick or upset, please take a break from following the results/posting in this thread/etc. Watch a movie, read a book, eat dinner, whatever. Distract yourself. Your emotional well-being is important, and the results will be here when you get back. No reason to stress yourself out over fluctuating results, so if it's starting to feel like too much then take a step back.\"",
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"content": "Oh I lost it a long time ago. Why look for it now?",
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"content": "I never knew they freaked so bad \"vomits from anxiety\"",
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"content": "\"In the Next Couple Weeks, We Will Be Campaigning with a Fax Bomb Campaign For Everyone to Call their Senators, and Congressman to Demand a Special Council is Put together to Prosecute Hillary Clinton..\"",
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"content": "Oh of course.\n\nLooks like you got the republican prediction right.",
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"content": "Yep",
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"content": "Hillary looking good with only 2% in. The dems always take longer to report for some reason.",
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"content": "7% - Clinton 62%, Sanders 38%",
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"content": "15% reporting 61.6 - 38.4 (boston globe)",
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"content": "With 16% in, My prediction of 61 - 38 is perfect.",
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"content": "Last post in la la land CNN NY exit polls show Sanders 48% and Hillary 52%",
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"content": "NY Times/AP:\n21% of the vote is in from New York\n61.2% Hillary Clinton\n38.8% Sanders",
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"content": "Looks like backpack wins D call! Should be soon.",
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"content": "25% in and I have 10 minutes for a winner to be declared for my prediction of the time to be right. Right now I am dead on my prediction of the percentage of votes though.",
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"content": "/r/sanderforpresident spin \"She slaughtered bernie with NYC. Without that he could win. Fucking hate her.\" and \"if she doesn't win by 30 it isn't a blow out\" and \"we are up in Erie PA\".",
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"content": "Done, 9:41 ABC News and NBC News have projected Clinton the winner of the Democratic primary.",
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"content": "Good job, 5 minutes to spare.",
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"content": "http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/fireworks-animation-46.gif",
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"content": "You almost had it. They just called it. 9:39.\n",
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"content": "This was my prediction from three ago:\n\nThis was my prediction three days ago:\n\n* Voter turnout will be huge. \n\n* Clinton will win 61 to 38. \n\n* There will several incidents at polls, most of which will be meaningless. \n\n* But there will be one that will be majorly over-played in the media. \n\n\n\n\n* Sanders supporters will cry voter fraud and demand that Debbie Wasserman Shutlz be executed. (well something like that)\n\n* The path for Bernie will be nil but the denial will still last for weeks.\n\nOn my way to a clean sweep!",
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"content": "Yes indeed. \n\n61%.\n\nShe is almost 200K votes up. ",
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"content": "Empire State Building is lit up red to signify the first call of the night. ",
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"content": "Way cool. Can't wait to see it blue. :D",
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"content": "Still no call for Democrats yet. Hillary at 62% now. ",
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"content": "Exit polls say it is closer. Why the dems take longer every time I do not know.",
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"content": "With 8% now. ",
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"content": "I see 15% on MSNBC with Hilldog at 62%.",
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"content": "With 16% in, My prediction of 61 - 38 is perfect.",
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"content": "The Clinton Assassin is up by almost 100K votes already. \n\n",
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"content": "Oh boy!",
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"content": "Trump has got 70% of the vote with only 69k votes. ",
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"content": "He's got 69K out of the out of 105k",
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"content": "The early deadline for party registration has crushed Sanders. ",
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"content": "I think the actual votes are doing that.",
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"content": "The total number of GOP votes so far is about the same as the difference between Clinton and Sanders so far. \n\nThat's how blue NY is. ",
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"content": "It always seems the democrats results are later in every state. Maybe just my imagination.",
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"content": "Lit up blue!",
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"content": "That is a site to see!",
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"content": "#NBC & ABC have just declared HRC the winner of NY.",
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"content": "#CNN has just declared HRC the winner of NY.",
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"content": "I'm surprised they didn't call it at 2% knowing the Clinton News Network.",
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"content": "I LOVE YOU HILLARY \n\nI'm with Her all the way to the White House :D",
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"content": "Boy what a night. Both sides have a lot to be proud of.",
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"content": "Wayne, I love how nice you are! I also appreciate how fair you are. But you know that I am totally against Sanders in every way. ",
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"content": "Yea wait until I get off the computer. Champagne is a chilling. :D",
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"content": "> Champagne is a chilling. :D\n\nNice",
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"content": "Oh yea!",
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"content": "So... why Hillary?",
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"content": "Because she is obviously a great candidate. \n\nWoo hoo! ",
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"content": "So... have she done anything amazing in the country in past 10 years?",
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"content": "She just ended a revolution today. ",
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"content": "I can bet you my wife she's energizing the revolution rather than ending it today",
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"content": "It's over though. ",
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"content": "She didn't end anything. \n\nShe didn't end the Sanders campaign, and she's not done anything to slow the movement. \n\nWe Sanders supporters will be there at the convention, and you'll be hearing from us on election day as well. \n\nWe're not going away. \n\nIf doesn't matter how many voters the party disenfranchises. We're always going to be there for the rest of your life. Get used to us. \n\nAlso you should be ashamed of yourself. ",
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"content": "It's over.",
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"content": "If trends continue, hillary style democrats will be flushed out by bernie style by 2024... or sooner.\n\nHave your moments",
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"content": "What trend? You guys losing again? ",
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"content": "Well, technically, hillary style mod Democrat did lose this year, so my side did win... I mean she hasn't stopped her flip from \"I'm a moderate\" to \"im a progressive\" since iowa.\n\nHard left Progressives won the 2016 dem primary, because at this point, well maybe not if bernie drops now... but we win, because if he drags it to convention, hillary pivoting center will be election suicide \n\nWe've won, but hillary is being nominated because she'll \"evolve\" into literally anything to be on the winning side.\n\nLet's just hope we can win next time without having literally the most trump-level ideologically elastic Democrat rubber banding around and hijacking the brand\n",
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"content": "Hard left /= Democrat\n\nIt's time Sanders supporters understood that. \n\nDemocrat = Liberal and Progressive coalitions.\n\nYou are not the base, obviously. You are a portion of the base.\n\nSanders won't take this to the convention because it would be breaking his word and he would still lose. \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Breaking WHAT eord? He PROMISED to take it to the convention. Your post is an outright lie.",
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"content": "He said he would not override the will of the people if he was behind in both pledged delegates and the popular vote. \n\nCalm down. ",
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"content": "Yeah, but that doesn't conflict with \"taking it to the convention\". You said him \"taking it to the concention\" is him going back on his word. It isnt. ",
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"content": "Yes, it does. \n\nBecause he will be behind in pledged delegates, super delegates and popular vote on June 8th. \n\nThat means the people have spoken and he has to stick to his word. \n\n\n",
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"content": "You're wrong. He doesn't have to endorse before the convention. You're using some faulty logic just because of your hillary emotions ",
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"content": "Who said endorse? You are moving goalposts.\n\nEndorsing is different than campaigning. ",
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"content": "I your goal post thing is a nice strawman. What I've stated is fact, and what you've stated is a bunch of emotional \"why isn't he backing down already stop invading hillary general reaction safe space\" propaganda",
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"content": "You said someone said he needed to endorse before the convention. \n\nNo one here said that. So you are either moving goalposts or lying. \n\nWhat I said was he will drop out after 6/7 and not campaign or fight for the nomination this summer. ",
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"content": "I never said he needed to endorse before convention.\n\nBut, you know, you can just take what I said and twist it, that fine. I said hillary best chance to win the general if he endorses after a contested convention",
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"content": "> Democrat = \"Liberal\" and Neoliberal coalitions.\n\nFTFY",
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"content": "Nope. We are progressives as well. \n\nCry all day. ",
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"content": "Since when did progressives support fracking, Wall Street, big money in politics, et cetera?",
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"content": "Since when did progressives support Wall Street?\n\nAre you even being serious here? ",
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"content": "> We're always going to be there for the rest of your life.\n\nWhy tho? The DNC and Dem. Party have made it clear that they don't want progressives and that neoliberalism is the status quo. I'm a millennial, idk if you are, but as you can tell society(or at least the portion of society that needs consumers) is starting to kiss our asses, why? Cause there's a shit ton of us, and there's about to be a bunch more. Most of us are in the more progressive camp, it's time we start a Progressive party or swell the Green Party, we have the numbers for it. ",
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"content": "Lol. And you definitely just proved his point, you couldn't come up with anything but a disparate backhanded quip. Speaks volumes about Hillary the politician and her supporters.",
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"content": "She has done more in the past 25 years than Sanders has done in 30 years. \n\nAnd again, she has beaten him which shows a lot.",
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"content": "> She has done more in the past 25 years\n\nBut yet still when asked on multiple occasions you couldn't name one thing, pathetic. And without the Google search I know that will follow you reading of this comment. Lol, Hillary supporters don't know jack shit about their candidate except her name is Clinton and that she would be the first president without a dick.",
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"content": "Wow such anger. Hahaha\n\nClinton has been a liberal leader for more than two decades, starting with the fight for healthcare reform in the 90s, to the SCHIP program to the aid package for NY after 9/11.\n\nOkay. So now, please name Sanders' accomplishments.\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Why shouldn't I be angry? I'm being forced to be lorded over by a corrupt hack politician by a bunch of people who know NOTHING about her. And now my tax dollars are going to go to more conflicts she's going to start in the Middle East and the cleanup of more oil spills and earthquakes when she welcomes fracking in with open arms.",
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"content": "Switch to decaf. \n\nAnd most Sanders supporters had never even heard of him before 2012. A guy who has been in office for 30 years. And accomplished NOTHING in that time. \n\nIf you are worried about conflicts in the middle east, tell your fellow supporters not to treat politics like it's a Twitter hashtag and realize they have to be in it for the long haul. \n\nRather than disappearing after Presidential elections because Congress and state levels elections aren't cool. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> And most Sanders supporters had never even heard of him before 2012. A guy who has been in office for 30 years. And accomplished NOTHING in that time. \n\nAnd Hillary was only able to be known because her husband was the president, playing that game makes no sense, ESPECIALLY when Hillary has never been known for a legislative record or actual political acumen, she's known for scandals, we all know it. \n\nBut keep cherry picking my comments though, and addressing the only of my points that you can try to obfuscate or put a spin on it.\n\nAnd are you insane? [If Bernie has accomplished nothing, Bill never cheated on Hillary.](http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you)",
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"content": "She was known because she was a first lady who actively pushed policy.\n\nFunny how you dismissed her due to her marriage and we are supposed to think a guy who did nothing in Congress for 30 years is supposed to herald a revolution. \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Speaking of being a first lady that pushes policy, remember when she was one of the staunchest allies of the Defense of Marriage act? Ya know the anti LGBT one.",
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"content": "Again, another attack on Clinton.\n\nWhere was Bernie during that time? He didn't fight for gay marriage. He opposed DOMA over \"state rights\" (a cop out). ",
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"content": "10 years before that, when your career could be ended for supporting gays, he backed the first gay pride parade in Vermont. That's where he was.",
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"content": "WOW a gay pride parade?!?!\n\nWhat an accomplishment. ",
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"content": "Wow, are you serious? Pride parades are/were integral to the LGBT community, especially in the 80s. Remember, this was a time when the general public though AIDS was a gay disease. Very, very disrespectful. And the fact that you would even belittle something like that when your candidate supported DOMA, in 2004 stood on the floor of the senate and proceeded to say how marriage should only be between man/woman and was against gay marriage until 2 YEARS AGO.",
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"content": "Uh, we've had them in NYC for decades. I am not saying they aren't important I am saying Sanders accepting one wasn't a big deal in the 80s. And again that was 30 years ago in a very liberal city. \n\nWhen did Sanders come out in support of gay marriage again? \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Wow, turn off the washing machine and stop the spin cycle. You will literally find a way to spin everything to try and turn it back on Sanders or to not make Hillary look bad. And then on top of that, you only cherry pick what you want out of my comments because you know you can't spin it or make excuses for the fuck ups Clinton needs to answer for. I'm done with you. ",
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"content": "Did Sanders endorse gay marriage in 1996 when he opposed DOMA? ",
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"content": ">she is obviously a great candidate. \n\nWhoa, whoa, I know you're happy because a couple of Bernie supporters now have to begrudgingly vote for your candidate, but lets not lie to ourselves here.",
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"content": "Well, great is relative.\n\n",
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"content": "That is true. But not in Hillary's case, she's objectively a terrible politician. You realize she takes more precaution with her secret speeches to her donors than she did with American classified info, right? Why would you want someone like that as the leader of the free world, I'm curious? \n\nLmao, could you imagine if Bernie was caught with a noise machine? CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, they would all be eating him for lunch yet there wasn't one mention of Hillary using it on any of the MSM networks.",
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"content": "As far as I know, she kept her emails at least as secure as the State Dept servers are. ",
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"content": "Personally, because Trump is blatantly racist against Latinos and Muslims and has promised to commit war crimes against suspected terrorists and their families. I voted for Bernie, but I'm sure as hell going to vote for whoever wins the Democratic primary. ",
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"content": "Zero NY delegates for Cruz tonight. ",
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"content": "Ouch. Looks like the general is pretty much set.",
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"content": "New York does not value Ted Cruz. ",
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"content": "Nate Silver's \"Poll's Plus\" for NY was right on the money. He had it at a 15 point spread for Hillary and that's what it looks like it'll turn out to be.\n\nhttp://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new-york-democratic/",
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"content": "Decisive night. \n\nWhew! A lot of people breathing a lot better right now.",
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"content": "Here we go again.\n\nBrooklyn https://twitter.com/bencasselman/status/722394571699843072\n\nPS84 https://twitter.com/JohnMa2z/status/722370069867716608",
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"content": "He was there at 4 am?\n\n",
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"content": "Pretty sure Brooklyn has more than two voting machines. Where in Brooklyn. Highly probable to hurt Clinton more!",
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"content": "Brooklyn has hundreds if not thousands of voting precincts. This must be a small one if it only has two machines, but it's impossible to tell from the video what's going on. All I see are people standing in a hall. They could be waiting for a restroom for all we know.\n\nBrooklyn is overlaid by five congressional districts, and delegates are assigned for each of those districts. Out of those five districts, Clinton is expected to carry four and Sanders will carry one. Clinton's margin of victory in the four districts favoring her are as follows: 5%, 20%, 55%, and 60%. Sanders' margin of victory in the one district favoring him is 10%.\n\nSo chances are much more likely it hurts her than him, but it's not a certainty.\n\nStats for above are from:\nhttp://www.benchmarkpolitics.com/2016/04/new-york-city-and-surrounding-areas.html",
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"content": "That's actually not saying what you think it is. You should not be proud of this at all. ",
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"content": "hello friend. primary season is still with us, but i'm pretty sure it says that people like michaelconfoy and vegathepunisher are exceptional in their dislike of bernie sanders and that most clintonites actually like bernie.",
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"content": "Please don't attack the users.\n\nBut to answer your question, I have always liked Bernie. A lot less lately since he has gone negative. But I just believe Hillary has the more realistic approach. I don't call Bernie a liar, a crook and a whore just because he is not my first choice.",
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"content": "i think those two would get a laugh. we have had a long running smug conversation, but i'd be happy to delete it in the name of common courtesy.\n\ni don't call hillary a whore, a liar, or a crook and neither did bernie.\n\nhonesty, integrity, trustworthy, transparent, clinton->hrc2016!!",
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"content": "No worries. It will be an emotional day for sure. By all means have fun with it. :D",
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"content": "Both Bernie and his supporters have been smearing her for months.\n\nAnd yet, he is still losing. Badly, ",
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"content": "You only embarrass yourself when you do that. \n\nGet a new troll script. \n\nEspecially today when you are about to get a Bklyn Stomping from Clinton. :-)",
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"content": "At least this is the last day you have to troll. \n",
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"content": "i will be speaking of the honesty, integrity, likeability, trustworthiness, transparency, and overall excellent character of clinton for a long time. you should join me.",
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"content": "As long as you are on board to vote Dem this November, I don't care if you do an Irish jig. \n\n",
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"content": "i will be voting overwhelmingly democrat, but not for her. she is a republican who just got the endorsements of kissinger, laura bush, and dick cheney. no thanks\n\ntrue progressive=clinton->i'm with her->hrc2016!",
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"content": "Then you are voting for Trump basically. ",
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"content": "trump is going to get f'd by his party too. kasich will get the nomination through a brokered convention, mainly because he beats clinton badly in every poll out there.\n\nelectable=clinton->hrc2016!",
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"content": "No, he's not. His supporters are fanatical and now he has an establishment staff of thugs who are going to twist arms to get their delegates. \n\nHe will be just short of the majority and then bully his way to the nomination. \n\nThe party will be fractured and Clinton will win 50%-47%. \n\n3% of the public will still write-in Sanders in protest. \n",
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"content": "well, this too remains to be seen, but i doubt highly that dump will be allowed to f up that party any worse than he has.",
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"content": "I am from the future.",
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"content": "so bernie gets the second new deal passed after a wave of populism during the midterm elections?",
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"content": "No. Clinton being elected caused all hell to break lose and the result is a huge shake up in Congress with four parties; Tea, Republican, Democrat and Progressive (or American Socialist). \n",
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"content": "interesting, is citizens united overturned?",
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"content": "No. Congress cannot pass a bill yet that could challenge the decision.\n\nThe court is now also center-liberal and lower court Tea/Republican judges are delaying their decisions in the hopes Ginsberg finally dies (she is more than 100 years old now).\n\nI am a staffer on Michelle Obama's POTUS run after her two wins as Senator from Illinois. \n\nFour parties will have Presidential candidates this year, the end of Gavin Newsome's (American Socialist) first term (2028).",
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"content": "And Donald Trump never conceded the election and to this day insists ACORN was behind the fraud that allowed Hillary to win.\n\nDonald, Jr will be the Tea Party POTUS candidate this year. \n\nTheir color is orange, appropriately.",
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"content": "I like Bernie, too. \n\nHis supporters are bloviating, naive whiners though. ",
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"content": "It's getting lame. ",
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"content": "mobilized=clinton->i'm with her->hrc2016!",
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"content": "I don't understand this meme. ",
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"content": "Really? Hillary had more of speech minutes on the stage than Bernie at the Democrat debate... and she also had more numbers of interruption when Bernie was on the stage. C'mon, now. \nand... Naive? I haven't seen any of Clinton supporters who like to follow politics as much as Sanders's rooters",
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"content": "Wha?\n\nMost Sanders supporters had never heard of the guy before 2012. ",
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"content": "That's true, but some of us already knew this country need a candidate that can kick all of the dirty corporations and politicians in the ass for all of the corruption they caused in past 5 years",
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"content": "Past five years? \n\nLOL.",
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"content": "In the big picture, it's more than 30 years, of course. But the economy crash back in 2008 was one of many corruptions that made people like us to be part of the revolution",
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"content": "That was 7 1/2 years ago. ",
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"content": "you mean that they are not necessarily democrats? I mean a lot of people had to change their party to democrat so they could vote for Bernie. ",
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"content": "I would certainly disagree, Clinton is a pompous corrupt windbag devoid of any core beliefs. It's beyond me that anyone would vote for her, I for one will not. I understand how potentially damaging a GOP victory would be but I cannot under any circumstances bring myself to vote for that empty husk of a candidate. Its like we're nominating a human ad lib book.",
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"content": "Gotta love Berniebros...",
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"content": "You just made a Lewinsky joke. In 2016. About Hillary.\n\nIf you don't see the problem(s) with that, I don't know what to say.",
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"content": "I didn't make a Lewinsky joke... That's not her fault. I just don't agree with her policy and the things she does.",
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"content": "Obama also has big money influences but i bet you voted for him",
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"content": "I didn't vote in 2008 ",
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"content": "It's true! Hillary or Bust people like me are oddities. ",
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"content": "> nope\n\nAre you disagreeing with me calling Hillary or Bust odd? Wow! you need every excuse to write a negative comment about Hillary.",
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"content": "This is what scares me about this election: if Hillary gets the nomination, the Democrats could very well lose. I will be voting Democrat regardless of who the nominee is (although I have my own preference); I worry that a lot of Democrats won't do the same.",
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"content": "i, unfortunately, won't be able to vote for her. kind of sucks that my unblemished democratic voting record will be broken if she is the nominee.",
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"content": "Which is more important though; your pride or the future of your country?",
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"content": "Clearly his and the rest of the bro's pride. I am really getting worried now :( ",
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"content": "As a Bernie supporter i don't appreciate being grouped in with the Bernie or bust crowd. \n\nI recognise that, although i think Bernie is the better candidate and am not a fan of Hillary, her politics or her political past, she is a better option than trump or Cruz.\n\nElections are not always about voting for someone who matches your ideologies perfectly, but rather picking the best available option.\n\nI don't think that this is an unpopular opinion amongst Bernie supporters, its just a less vocal group of people than the bust crowd.\n\nI hope that you do not let the views of some skew your perception of the many who support Bernie and that those who agree with the Bernie or bust sentiment consider exactly what is at stake if you let someone like Trump or Cruz be president.",
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"content": "Of course not. I actually would happily support Bernie, and I support those who are rational and see the world in the way that you do. However, in that comment I was referring to the people who would rather vote for ANYone except Hillary (the Bernie or bust crowd, aka the Bernie bros). I hope it is more uncommon than what I've seen around reddit, but I'm not so sure. \n\nThat mentality will quite frankly be very damaging to this country. We should all do exactly as you imply- vote for the best option available. We as a party need to remain civil and kind to each other on both sides. We will need each other in the end. \n\n",
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"content": "helloooooo nader 2016!!\n\ntransparent=clinton->hrc2016!",
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"content": "Last time I checked, the polls say that 25% of Sanders supporters won't vote for Clinton. Contrast this to 2008, with polls having around 40% of Clinton supporters refusing to vote for Obama. \n\nI'm not worried. Tensions are always high during primaries, but when push comes to shove, progressives are going to vote Democrat. ",
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"content": "Oh wow. This actually makes me feel a lot better. Thanks!",
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"content": "I won't be voting for her either; I'll write in Bernie in the GE.",
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"content": "We won't lose. :-)",
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"content": "Then all is well!",
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"content": "The problem is that people just won't vote, period. They will want nothing to do with politics at all. It becomes a big gamble which side spurs up enough loyalists to win.",
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"content": "As a Bernie supporter who would vote for for Clinton, I think they really need to look long and hard at what the result of a GOP victory would be. I think Bernie is a better choice but ultimately the next president will likely pick a Supreme Court justice so I sure as hell don't want that power with the GOP. ",
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"content": "well, i don't want to be complicit in giving hillary the power to nominate pro-corporatist justices.",
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"content": "I'd rather have a left leaning justice than a very right one. The right wing nominees would also very likely be pro-corporation as well.",
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"content": "Smear bullshit = downvoted",
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"content": "When did she do that? ",
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"content": "she didn't. i am curious why it is illegal though.",
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"content": "Because if you are in office, it's technically a conflict of interest. \n\nBut as a private citizen, it's not. \n\nJust like at one point it was disastrous and even illegal to praise Communist regimes while in office. ",
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"content": "why is it a conflict of interest? i don't understand, please explain.",
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"content": "Can't get paid from both, at the same time.\n\nBut you can't restrict a private citizen from earning if they are not in office. ",
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"content": "why would it be a conflict of interest though? are there no days off when you are serving in congress? i thought that we were allowed to make money on our days off. i guess it's different in congress. could a congressman own a business?",
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"content": "A congressmen can indeed own a business. You can own a farm and regulate farms. \n\nBut you can't get honorariums for a Farming Association lobby speech. ",
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"content": "strange how that is, i wonder if it's because such actions might give the impression that you would use your influence in favor of those from whom you receive large sums of money?",
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"content": "No, that's not it. \n\nBecause you could just have a fundraiser and charge them to eat. \n\nIt's a matter of while you are in office you shouldn't be directly paid by a lobbyer. \n\nYou can't expect someone to not take the money when they are private citizens. \n\nIt was bad judgement to of course do this when you know you are about to run for POTUS though.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "finally- a point of agreement",
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"content": "Clintons always play it close to the vest. \n\nThey made a deal with Mephisto a long time ago, just like Mark Wahlberg and Tom Brady. \n\nThey always land on their feet.\n\nThey just didn't sacrifice enough souls in 2008 and that's why she didn't win. \n\nHow else could a black guy with that middle name win?",
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"content": "alright, you made me laugh, well done and thank you. now get back to schilling for hill!",
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"content": "How the fuck does Mark Wahlberg get all those roles when he just plays Mark Wahlberg in every role?\n\nAnd Brady? Torn ACL? Wins another Super Bowl? Interception on the goal line? Bullshit. ",
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"content": "So high levels of poor people lead to poor voter information and poor decision making.",
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"content": "Or poor people are less likely to be interested in sweeping promises of pie in the sky because they've heard it all before.\n\nDismissing Clinton supporters as \"uninformed\" is part of the reason Sanders is struggling so badly with African-American voters.",
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"content": ">and poor decision making.\n\nPeople think differently than you but that doesn't mean they understand less than you. Please stop with this kind of \"I'm right, they're wrong\" mentality. It's obnoxious. People dissent and it should not be shamed. I understand that poorer folks tend to be less educated but this mentality is unhealthy and dangerous for a democracy.",
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"content": "Or maybe those states have higher median income too?",
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"content": "Someone didn't read the article. \n\nStates that have the highest levels of inequality tend to have the lowest levels of median incomes. That's kind of what creates the discrepancy in wealth and the poor. ",
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"content": "This consistent attitude and overall close mindedness towards dissent among Sanders supporters is fully half of the reason that I've switched into Clinton's camp over the last nine months. \n\n\nSo congrats on changing hearts and minds, I guess. ",
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"content": "I envy those who live in a world in which they are free to make political decisions based on the perceived slights of a large group of people.",
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"content": "It has nothing to do with perceived slights, although that same privilege is what allows Sanders supporters to threaten to write him in if he doesn't get the nomination (or worse vote Republican). My problem with the way his supporters are acting is that the people in my life who act the most like this are usually making mistakes or poor choices and all the while refusing to listen or consider the opinions of others. \n\n\nIn short, the behavior of BernieBros made me strongly reconsider my opinions of the candidate rather than being content in my decision. ",
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"content": "Privilege no. Principal yes. If you want more of the same democrat politics since 93 then Clinton is the way to go. If you want an actual chance at change then it's Sanders.",
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"content": "Future left than Obama is not \"more of the same\". Neither are any of her proposals.",
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"content": "She was further right than Obama when running against him. If you believe her and like her plans great vote for her. I like Bernies plans better and think he believes in them to his core far more so than Clinton.",
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"content": "You just summed exactly how I felt",
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"content": "Same boat here. I voted for Sanders in the primary but I cannot *stand* the constant bullshit Bernie chatter on Facebook and in some large quarters of Reddit.\n\nAnd I have been a Sanders supporter for years. And years. And I'm way more liberal than Clinton but Sanders' supporters are literally his biggest liability. \n\nI honestly believe with all my heart and soul had the BernieBros, the Bernie or bust and the BerNazis hadn't come around, he would be winning in a very big way right now. \n\nAnd I will always believe that. \n\nThe upside is that all the negativity and the memes and the bullshit *did* help Clinton generate more support right when she needed it the most. People just got sick of it. Even people like you and I who supported him couldn't deal with it. Imagine how anyone who didn't like him to begin with feel. \n\nI imagine that will be part of history…the affect Facebook and Reddit and the Millennials and those new to the political process played in Sanders losing the nomination. \n\nBecause in my point of view, that was the main determining factor. Sanders was gaining mass popularity and then it dropped about 3 months ago and that's when his supporters were at the height of their super negative memes and Hillary attacks.\n\nIt was just common sense. If you're a voter and you notice that someone who is supporting ONE candidate but only attacking the OTHER candidate (instead of posting pro-Sanders information, links to his policies, history, etc) you realize very quickly that there is a distinct reason for that. \n\nIt's personal. Period. Has nothing to do with qualifications, nothing to do with skill or experience. It's all about pride and bullshit at that point and that's why there was very little to separate the BernieBros crowd and the Fox News crowd. Both leaned on negativity, both spent all their time attacking Clinton instead of promoting their candidate of choice and ultimately both don't understand how elections and the election process work.\n\nSadly. ",
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"content": "> negativity and the memes and the bullshit\n\nThis is politics EVERY candidates following has the same problem. Maybe you are or we both are in our own bubbles but I do not see many unwarranted criticisms of Clinton and see far more attacks on Sanders. Best to let the person running for office speak for themselves and not project the supporters tactics onto them. ",
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"content": "I envy those who live in a world in which they are free to make political decisions based on 1) a snap judgement about a stranger based entirely on a snapshot of their internet behavior and 2) perceived slights of a large group of people.\n",
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"content": "You're welcome:\n\n* https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/surprise-author-of-viral-becoming-anti-bernie-piece-is-corporate-lawyer-who-defends-hedge-funds/ \n\n* https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/berniemademewhite-meet-the-black-writer-who-called-out-the-media-for-erasing-people-of-color/",
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"content": "Human rights? \n\nWhat about human rights for Israelis and the Palestinian children who are poisoned by the Hamas nonsense?\n\nHamas is not an honest broker and are animals. If the Palestinians elected them, it means they made their beds. ",
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"content": "Attacking Israel -- that's such a winning strategy for Sanders, considering the higher percentages of Jewish voters in the mid-Atlantic region, which voted yesterday and again on April 26.",
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"content": "Israel deserves at least as much criticism for their policies that America does.\n\nHowever, the Palestinians have been a joke since the Camp David talks. They have gone in the opposite direction and still expect bombs to move negotiations like they did in the 90s. \n\nWhat exactly have they offered to move the process? Not trying to kill Israelis with as much gusto for a little while? \n\nI think we can criticize Israel without throwing in with Hamas.",
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"content": "I'm not saying criticism of Israel isn't warranted. I'm merely saying that campaigning on it is an unwise strategy, particularly during *this* leg of the race. In comparison, Sanders has really been dialing up the anti-Wall Street rhetoric recently. That badly hurt him in New York yesterday.",
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"content": "Oh, its always a bad idea. \n\nIt's not just criticism of Israel is bad, but propping up the Palestinians is disastrous. Because it ripples into people who are sick of their shit. \n\n",
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"content": "Be fair, the camp David talks were not ever going to help the Palestinians, Bill came out and labeled them as uncooperative because they didn't concede to Israel's demands, but what was offered to Palestine?, it did not seem in keeping with a two state solution, and given the political climate at the time, public opinion jumped on the band wagon, whatever good Bill has done, I don't feel that post-talk press conference was his finest moment.\n\nWhenever I think of the Israel Palestine conflict I think of the success of Northern Ireland, on both sides you have people that in reality have few differences, but kill each other over political and religious ideas, that are almost entirely bullshit on both sides.\n\nBill went to Northern Ireland and helped facilitate a gradual peace, inclusive of the needs of both peoples, to great success, his approach to Israel/Palestine was to help Israel with it's Palestine problem. Israel's Palestine problem is that it does not respect Palestine as a group of people that have as much right to be there are Israeli's do.\n\n Bill picked sides, as was politically expedient for an American president at the time, but was detrimental to any kind of peace process, and it is unfair to wash Camp David as Palestine's fault for not conceding to becoming a vassal state to a country that in many aspects treats them as an inferior race.",
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"content": "I wouldn't go that far. \n\nThe Palestinians are far worse off now than they were in 1998. Far worse. They lost everything they gained in the 90s.\n\nThey are not honorable warriors. They are not a free people. And that is not the fault of Israel. \n\nThe IRA were murderous terrorists, but also were honorable when it came to negotiation. \n\nThe Palestinians would have much more land, money, progress, freedom and respect if they had an inkling of honor and common sense. \n\nIsrael is far from perfect but they are a free society with opposition viewpoints. \n\nAn opposition viewpoint in Gaza will get you hung from a cherry picker.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nthe \n\n",
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"content": "I honestly couldn't begin to think of Israel's handling of this situation to be even remotely honorable, the death toll on the Palestinian side is so much higher, and the killing of women and children has been equally indiscriminate.\n\nPalestine's lack of freedom is very much at the hands of Israel. I am all for the existence of both states, but can't deny that Israel is encroaching continually to occupy more of Palestine (hence Palestine gets smaller every year).\n\nIt's also important to remember that whether it be the IRA or Hamas, etc. the great difficulty of negotiating with terrorist groups is that they are rarely unified to one common line, the IRA for example had multiple faction IRA,PIRA,CIRA,RIRA, and at one point I believe they may have tried IRA light. \n\nSo the idea of \"Honest negotiators\" came from years of first getting all groups to a table to sort out representation, to find out who can speak for the different factions, and who can maintain rule over those factions to guarantee agreements are kept to, as far as I can see that process has yet to begin in Palestine, because through the American public's lens they are all just problematic Palestinians.",
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"content": "I noticed in your statement there is not a single mention of the Palestinians' responsibility in this. As if they are children who don't know any better because Israel made them that way. \n\nThat is unacceptable. They need to demonstrate they can honor anything. A single statement. A single act. As long as Hamas is in charge that won't happen. And Fatah will lose control of the West Bank soon enough. \n\nUntil then, the Israelis have zero incentive to do anything. In fact, they have more incentive to go farther right and build even more settlements. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> That is unacceptable.\n\nAre you that afraid of different opinions? btw at no point did I say terrorism was okay.\n\n> Until then, the Israelis have zero incentive to do anything. In fact, they have more incentive to go farther right and build even more settlements.\n\nWho needs republicans, if this is what democrats are buying now?\n\nThis isn't discussion dude, this is you shouting down disagreement, starting to sound like a lot of people in this room. \n\nDemocracy is supposed to start from the left and work to the middle, doesn't seem to be the case anymore, the republicans start in the right, we start in the middle, and somehow we all end up to different degrees on the right.\n\nAnyone who genuinely believes Israel should expand settlements to spite the Palestinians should seriously consider looking into the republican party and consider switching.",
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"content": "Democracy is supposed to start on the left?\n\nHames being a \"different opinion\"?\n\nNo one is shouting you down. \n\nDestroying your argument with logic is not shouting down. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "What makes you so sure your logic is superior to mine?",
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"content": "Because logic dictate you can't negotiate with die-hard zealots. \n\nYou need a reasonable middle, as they had in Northern Ireland. \n\nLogic also says both sides in a negotiation have a responsibility. ",
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"content": "As you say, you can't negotiate with die hard zealots.",
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"content": "Is that supposed to imply something about me? \n\nAs as long as Hamas is in power, democratically, the Palestinians have made their bed and will sleep in it. ",
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"content": "Your superior logic is of course infallible. I congratulate you on masterpiece of reasoned thinking.",
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"content": "You can't refute it, besides just blaming Israel for all actions and responsibility.\n\nThat is not a refutation, but a deflection. ",
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"content": "But..I didn't say any of those things? You realize you're making points for me so you can argue against them.\n\nYou're basically playing a game of angry chess against yourself.\n\nWhat do you even get from this?",
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"content": "Yes, you did. You put the responsibility on Israel and used casualty numbers as a measure of responsibility. ",
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"content": "I get downvoted for standing up for common sense? ",
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"content": "Because women and non-White voters are more likely to be Democrats than Republicans. Because women, Black, and Latino votes matter.",
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"content": "Why do white male voters not matter to Democrats? ",
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"content": "I don't think anyone is saying that. Plenty of white males are still voting for Hillary Clinton. It's not like she lost 98% of white males.\n\nThe Democratic Party is a big tent. However, even with a big tent, you can't expect to include every last person.",
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"content": "> The Democrat State Committee in my state has NO outreach for male voters. We have outreach committees for women, GBLT, minorities, the elderly.....not men. Why?\n\n",
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"content": "What do you mean? Certainly they matter, but so do female and non-white voters. Id expect her to do worse with white men in the general too, like every other democrat. Do black votes not matter to the GOP? I think they do, but it doesnt mean they get them.",
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"content": "The Democrat State Committee in my state has NO outreach for male voters. We have outreach committees for women, GBLT, minorities, the elderly.....not men. Why? ",
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"content": "Probably a good question. They might think it akin to having a men's history month. It may also be that men may not seek out such \"minority\" outreach programs or be receptive to them. It could also be perception, not wanting to put off women voters by seeming part of \"the patriarchy\". But I do think such things are reasons why the party struggles with men.",
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"content": "What?\n\nMinorities and elderly have men in them. \n\nYou are referring to white males, and that has nothing to do with outreach. It has to do with white males being threatened by the emerging power of minorities and women. \n\nWomen, after all, are the majority. ",
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"content": "The democratic party struggles with white males. I see no reason they shouldnt have an outreach program focused on them. Its a huge demographic and probably the most powerful given their wealth and influence (yeah wed like to believe that doesnt matter, but it does). \n\nThings like:\n>It has to do with white males being threatened by the emerging power of minorities and women. \ndont exactly woo men to the Democratic party. \n\n/u/JohnnyBeagle makes a good point, the Democratic party should make more efforts to sell itself to white males. I think its failure to do so has truly cost the party its majorities.",
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"content": "What I said was true. \n\nIt's also true that Democrats need to get back to their blue collar roots, which is where the bread and butter was in terms of white males. \n\nBut cowtowing to the \"angry white male\", the ones who are flocking to Trump and the GOP is not going to help our party. \n\nThey are incoherent of what they want besides being angry and hostile towards other groups. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "I think we agree. I jsut meant the democratic party needs to sell itself and its values to white males. I think Johnny Beagle points out that since so much outreach is focused on \"minorities\" (again women arent really minorities) it easy to see why the GOP has success selling them a superiority complex. ",
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"content": "That is the heart of the matter, the complex. \n\nThe Dems shouldn't cater to that. \n\nThey should cater to getting men working and making some decent money again.\n\nAnd also the left needs to stop so much hyper-sensitivity when it comes to something offensive that doesn't hurt anyone. \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> And also the left needs to stop so much hyper-sensitivity when it comes to something offensive that doesn't hurt anyone. \n\nDo we really or is that more a conservative strawman? ",
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"content": "When I was in sales (over 30 years), when we wanted to expand our market share, we went after markets we were not reaching. ",
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"content": "Well there is a danger in that if your reach alienates your base customer.",
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"content": "Of course, but then you have to look at what you are giving up and what you have to gain. ",
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"content": "I agree, but alas it is an answer that is is much about how you do it as if you should. ",
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"content": "They do. And some white males do vote for Clinton. They are not the majority of the Democratic party and are not all that matters, as much as you may want to think. They matter but so do minorities and women....\n\nFor the record, my white male husband is voting for Clinton so there is at least one of many.",
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"content": "Anecdote appreciated...",
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"content": "I'm a white male and I voted for Hillary Clinton. My race/gender and her race/gender did not enter into that decision.",
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"content": "Because more total people voted for her than for Bernie. Before NY, 2.5 million people more. ",
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"content": "Uh.. this is NY.\n\nAnd in case you haven't noticed, white males are not the core of the Democrat party, they are the core of Sanders supporters. \n\n",
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"content": "Yeah, and in case you have not noticed, independents will be the deciding factor in November. Think larger. ",
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"content": "You are equating independents with white males. \n\n",
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"content": "Nope",
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"content": "Yeah, you did. \n\nYou said white male votes was lower and when confronted with the fact that the core of the base is not white males, you shifted to \"independents\".\n\nWhich is it? White males or independents? ",
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"content": ">Hillary did not manage to get even 40% of the white male vote in the NY primary\n\nWhere did you get that number? According to CNN's exit polls, she won 43 percent of white male votes in NY:\n\nhttp://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/ny/Dem\n\nShe also won all the other larger demographics: white women, African-Americans of both gender, and female Hispanics.\n\nAmerica is no longer a country with a white male-dominant demographic. Mitt Romney learned that the hard way in 2012. He won white males and lost everything else.",
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"content": "> America is no longer a country with a white male-dominant demographic\n\nI'm not saying that it is, but doing this poorly with such a significant group tells me her message is weak. ",
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"content": "How? Explain in detail. \n\nBecause the Dems haven't won the white male vote in years. ",
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"content": "The Democrat State Committee in my state has NO outreach for male voters. We have outreach committees for women, GBLT, minorities, the elderly.....not men. Why?",
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"content": "The voting rate among men is higher? \n\nWhy are you so obsessed with creating a controversy over white males? ",
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"content": "And you said losing the white male vote means Clinton is weak and when asked for specifics you shifted to outreach. \n\nSo again, what about losing the white male vote means her message is weak and why are you obsessed with white males? ",
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"content": "Yes, she is weak. What does she offer white male laborers? ",
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"content": "White Male Laborers?\n\nIs that a rock band? ",
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"content": "Yes, now on vinyl.",
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"content": "Is it angry music that is fading away? \n\n",
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"content": "It sounds like you should be having a conversation with your state committee.",
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"content": "I do, frequently. It falls on deaf ears.",
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"content": "I disagree. If you break down Sanders' numbers yesterday still further, Hillary won all whites with a college degree and lost all whites without one. Whites, particularly males, without college degrees are increasingly squeezed out in today's economy. So they are gravitating towards the candidates with protectionist rhetoric -- Trump and Sanders. IMHO and many others, a protectionist rhetoric is not a winning strategy.",
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"content": "Very good points here.",
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"content": "NATE SILVER 10:32 PM\nThe Democratic exit poll now has her winning 75 percent of the black vote in New York, along with 63 percent of the Hispanic vote. Clinton and Sanders split the white vote in New York almost evenly.",
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"content": "Okay, so how does this play out with losing over 60% of the white male vote? ",
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"content": "Where are you getting that number? Per my link elsewhere in this discussion, CNN is showing that Sanders won 57 percent of the white male vote.",
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"content": "http://americablog.com/2016/04/sanders-exit-polls-new-york-hillary.html\n\nSanders 60%, Clinton 39%",
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"content": "That's not CNN's final, complete exit polls. Look at the CNN link I provided elsewhere in this thread. That has their final, complete exit poll.",
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"content": "Democrats don't need 60% of the white male vote. ",
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"content": "No, they don't, but having it would make it a lot easier to win elections. \n",
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"content": "Obama crushed Romney pretty easily. ",
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"content": "And governor Baker crushed Martha Coakley ....in \"blue\" Massachusetts. ",
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"content": "Who?",
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"content": "Republican candidate Charlie Baker easily beat Democratic candidate Martha Coakley, two years ago, in a race for governor of \"Blue\" Massachusetts. It was not even close. ",
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"content": "Sssssssssssso?\n\n",
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"content": "What percentage of the white male vote did Obama win in 2012? Well since he only won 39% of the white vote, less than that.",
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"content": "Democrats have been losing 60% of the white male vote for a very long time.\n\nMitt Romney won 62% of the white male vote. Perhaps you remember how that worked out for him?\n\nIn fact, only one time since the Carter administration (2008... Obama got 43%) has a Democrat won more than 38% of the white male vote.",
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"content": "Yup, how's that working out for us?",
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"content": "Pretty good. Democrats have won the popular vote for 5 out of the 6 last elections. You really aren't putting a lot of thought into this discussion, are you?",
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"content": "We'll see......I'm looking forward. ",
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"content": "I thought Clinton was capable of handling intense political pressure. Isn't that one of the qualities that her supporters have frequently cited?",
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"content": "It's not a question of pressure on a candidate. It's a question of doing the heavy lifting for Republicans by attacking his own party's nominee. Senator Sanders no longer has a path to the nomination, so he could be much more productive now turning his attention on the Republicans we all will be facing in the fall.",
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"content": "Sanders' seat is safe. His goal is bolstering democratic socialism as an ideology, not the Democratic party. ",
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"content": "I fundamentally reject your framing of the situation. Sanders isn't doing the heavy lifting for Republicans and has largely abstained from criticizing Clinton is several key ways. The political pressure that is being applied to Clinton now is keeping her from triangulating and moving to the right of center and altogether abandoning the progressive wing that supports Sanders. Her frustration (or the frustration of her campaign team) stems from the fact that she is being forced to hold ground in areas that she is ultimately uncomfortable with.",
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"content": "Judging by the polls she has handled him. The question now is why he is flailing and attacking the party rather than working to promote liberal candidates or causes. ",
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"content": "The source in this is wishy-washy but if she actually gets the nom after not being able to stand up to lil ol' Bernie's \"rhetoric\", then she's not prepared for the baseless, hateful and idiotic attacks that will undoubtedly come her way from the GOP candidate. ",
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"content": "Oh yea, Trump will be talking real nice. This isn't something Clinton said anyway.",
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"content": "Yeah the entire quote and source seems fishy but I think its hilarious when the Hillary campaign calls out Bernie as if he's a real tough guy. ",
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"content": "michaelconfoy is the one that posted this? he's a Clinton supporter.Post's a quote from a Clinton aide, and then makes the point that it's not from Clinton, not even sure what discussion we are having here.",
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"content": "I'll just take your word on that. I didn't pay any attention to the username and can't keep the teams straight anyways. ",
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"content": "Yeah most days it's basically a Fox News panel in here. All anyone can agree on is that we hate each other even more than republicans.",
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"content": "Speak for yourself. ",
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"content": "A couple of brand new BBs here. Won't be here for long though :-)",
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"content": "It's funny - I've only seen this account post anti-Bernie stuff.\n\nDid Hillary not get paid >$200,000/hour?",
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"content": "She was not a politician when she was paid to speak.",
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"content": "How do you define a politician?",
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"content": "How do you define trolling?",
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"content": "how do you define immoral?",
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"content": "How you doing today? Are you feeling any anger?",
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"content": "not at all. how is the moral relativism treating you?",
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"content": "[It's funny how Slanders is suppose to be the honest one but has the most politifact fails.](http://i.imgur.com/teSHr6T.jpg)",
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"content": "I've complained before because this guy and about 8-10 others constantly post links in like every appropriate subreddit constantly, and sometimes take up the entire first couple pages, sort by new and you'll see.",
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"content": "This was funny. ",
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"content": "I wish she were running. \nIt would have been awesome to see her tear into some of these people during debates.",
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"content": "2020 or 2024 hopefully? :) ",
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"content": "She's the candidate we should have instead of Hillary Clinton.",
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"content": "Agree X 1000.",
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"content": "If she was running as Hillary's VP would it heal the 3rd degree Berns? ",
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"content": "For me personally , I'm just not a fan of HRC for president. \nI just don't like her. \nBut I'll vote for her to keep the craziness out of the white house. ",
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"content": "Agreed, but imagine her at the head of a Dem controlled Congress. I think she is doing the best for the party where she is right now, and she probably feels the same.\n\ni would have gladly gone all in for her if she decided to run this cycle though.\n\n> They don't throw tantrums or try to shut down their workplace because they \ndon't get their way – & then turn around & demand promotions.\n> — Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) April 19, 2016\n\nGoddamn do I respect that woman.",
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"content": "This woman is awesome. ",
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"content": "REKT /campaign",
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"content": "This woman is such a bad ass. So happy I donated to her campaign years ago.",
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"content": "That's my Senator! ",
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"content": "\"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go\".",
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"content": "He's not gonna leave... He's closer to Hillary than Ted Cruz is to Donald trump so why would he leave ",
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"content": "[Because this isn't going to happen](http://m1.i.pbase.com/u37/britestar/upload/32054261.__hr_MissouriFlockOfFlyingPigsW.jpg)",
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"content": "There's a lot of delegates still left...",
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"content": "It's over. But Bernie won't disrespect his supporters in CA by dropping out before they vote. \n\nSo he will play along until then and then drop.",
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"content": "It's really not over yet, if that court case is won the 3.2 million independents who didn't vote could vote and they heavily favor sanders",
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"content": "No. Not a chance. \n\nStop fantasizing because you will be heavily disappointed. ",
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"content": "It's not a fantasy...Obama lost NY in 2008 so why when Bernie loses by less than he did people say get out?",
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"content": "Uh, Sanders is much further behind. ",
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"content": "June 7th he overtakes Hillary, I'll bet my money on it ",
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"content": "No. \n\nNow I know you're just trying to be funny. ",
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"content": "I'm not. I'm assuming you're for Hillary, if so, why? I'm just curious",
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"content": "She is the better candidate to take on the GOP. \n\nAnd no, Sanders is done. But he gets my respect. ",
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"content": "Every poll has him beating the republicans and with larger margins than Hillary... \n",
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"content": "[This](http://i.imgur.com/teSHr6T.jpg)",
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"content": "That's only because he has not been attacked from the GOP yet. \n\n",
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"content": "They could literally attack Clinton so easily. There's nothing to attack him on he's been consistent throughout his career",
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"content": "Hillary has already been attacked for 25 years. \n\nSanders would be attacked as a communist. \n",
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"content": "That's why she lost last time. Only an idiot would try to sell him as a communist, but they are republicans so it wouldn't surprise me ",
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"content": "She lost last time because we had a better candidate in Obama. \n\nThe Republicans would not only paint him as a communist but his lack of plan details would only make it worse. \n\n",
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"content": "His plans are all detailed on his site. And he is still beating all the republicans with wider margins than her.",
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"content": "Sanders must win every remaining state by an average of 59% just to end up with the same number of delegates as Clinton. Not pass her, same number. Given he is going to get a beat down in MD, DE, PR, and VI, that number is actually much higher. Do you really see that happening? We are talking less than 1% here. I would bet my house on it not happening. Would you? You can get 14 to 1 odds now. ",
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"content": "Yeah, sure. That'd be believable if only he hadnt filed to run for Senate as an independent again.",
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"content": "The irony here is that if they thought he was going to win, this wouldn't be an appropriate topic for public comment at all.",
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"content": "That's not necessarily true. One of the biggest complaints from Dems who don't support him is that he has done absolutely nothing to champion the down ticket races for the democrats. Hillary has done quite a bit to try to make sure the Senate becomes a democratic majority in 2017. \n\nSo his disconnect from the party…and let's face it, everyone knows he ran as a democrat only to keep from splitting the liberal vote (and good on him for doing that) but he's not a party man and it has seriously hurt him in the race. \n\nHillary has a lifelong dedication to the party, she's been a First Lady, she's been a senator, now Secretary of State…she has helped countless democrats get elected over the years. \n\nThat's where party strength comes in. That's the thing that Sanders' fans fail to see and recognize how strong it is to play as a team member with something like a presidential election.\n\nLook, I'm all for lone wolves but it makes being elected to a party you've never participated in somewhat challenging and Bernie is feeling that right now and I think he's trying to convince people he's in it for the long haul and not just using it as a vehicle to get what he wants. ",
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"content": "You are right to point out that Bernie doesn't really know how to function within a party - let alone how to lead one. You are equally right to notice the the opposite is true of Clinton.\n\nYou are right to point out that Bernie's failure to fund races down the ticket is problematic - though this truth is not just about the health of the Democratic Party. It is, rather, an indication of Bernie's failure to understand how government works. His platform would require (in additional to a few unlikely Constitutional Amendments) the unwavering support of a Congress dominated by Bernie progressives. This is true by his own admission - so what does it say to you that he has made no effort in his campaign to secure the type of government that could make any of his fantasies start to smell like reality? If Bernie were to actually win (a virtual impossibility), his election would likely handicap both the Democratic Party and Progressivism in general. Unfortunately, his continued campaign, especially now when it is in it's pathetic death throes, is doing exactly the same. Bernie is revealing that he is about Bernie - no matter what it does to the country.\n\nBernie knew from the outset that his colleagues didn't think a Bernie presidency was a good idea. He has spent decades standing on principle and refusing to cooperate or compromise. This is something supporters love about him - but it has not won him any friends in government. So, honestly, he'd have to turn over the conservatives AND the liberals to gain any traction. Of 435 representatives, 100 senators, and 50 governors, Bernie has only managed to win the support of ......8.\n\nSo - try to consider that Sanders is losing because of the weakness of his platform and his weaknesses as a politician. It's not just that Democrats are closing ranks. The reality is that Sanders never had potential to do more than shift the Overton window. Some fixed Clinton negatives and the influence of a press that makes money on controversy rather than a landslide victory have vastly exaggerated Bernie's actual influence.",
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"content": "Except the criticism that he has done nothing for down ballot candidates isn't fair: Hillary has brought in new money for them, Bernie has brought in new voters for them.",
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"content": "Good. Even though I think Clinton will make a better president, I think our party could use a few more like Sanders. ",
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"content": "Uncompromising obstructionists with ideas and no plan to implement them?",
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"content": "Said this about 40 times before in the past six months on here but it's a shame so many of his supporters aren't as smart as he is. We'd have had a legitimate chance at a Sanders presidency. ",
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"content": "Finally, we're getting down to the real issues. Personally, I'm hoping she'll take this beyond gender and pick someone that identifies as an animal, or maybe an object, or *emotion*.\n\nForget Citizens United, this is about ending human person-centrism. Forget healthcare as a right and fracking, this is about selecting a VP that represents the trans-animate community. It's 2016, I don't want issues, I want my corporate-vetted figurehead to appoint a lesser symbolic figurehead that identifies as an armoir, or angst, or the color beige. *That* is what democracy is all about: selecting the best symbolic gesture to engender gentle incremental changefulness.",
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"content": "Bong water in the morning? ",
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"content": "I'm just like you, exclusively concerned with symbolic gestures like a good liberal should be. I'm high on ignorance! ",
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"content": "So in the afternoon, too?\n\nHow large was that bong? ",
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"content": "Oh so mad, it will be worse next week. \n\nAnd then after June 7th when Sanders drops out and hands over his donor list to Clinton. hoo wee.\n\nHere's a tissue. ",
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"content": "Progressives have never won anything in our lifetime. My side lost before I was born. I harbor no fantasies of defeating corporatists in the near future, but I reserve the right to put you in your place for you stupid beliefs. ",
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"content": "Unless it's Elizabeth Warren my bet is she'd have a better chance at reaching young people if she picked Sanders or at least tried to get him on board somehow. However unlikely that'd be. ",
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"content": "I dont think Liz Warren would accept, for the same reason she wouldnt accept if Bernie won and asked her. She is a better force for Dems where she is right now. And while it would be amazing to have two women on the dem ticket, I just dont think every part of the USA would be as welcoming of that. That has to have come up in their discussions. \n\nI also dont think Bernie is any where close to that list. For any number of reasons. ",
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"content": "Yeah. While I'd like to see him in some seat if higher power I don't think it'll happen either sadly. Only thing I could hope for would to be for him to win but that's a long shot at this point. ",
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"content": "> she picked Sanders or at least tried to get him on board somehow. However unlikely that'd be.\n\nSanders is not gonna be VP, he's not gonna be in the administration. But He will endorse Hillary if she becomes the nominee. ",
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"content": "My concerns are not with the plants. My concerns are with uranium mining and the disposal of radioactive waste.",
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"content": "The environmental community is currently trying to shut down nuclear plants in California, Illinois and New York. That waste is going to be there whether the plants operate or not. The point is, why shut down existing operational sources of carbon free base load energy? \n\nAs shown in Germany, a switch away from nuclear just leads to an increase in dirtier energy from natural gas. Same will happen in the US.",
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"content": "Or a mix of other sources such as wind, solar, conservation, etc. ",
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"content": "Wind and solar cannot supply base load energy needs in the United States and will not be able to for at least several years. Even if the technology were to become viable, navigating 50 states' regulatory structures would further delay implementation. \n\nIf climate change is as pressing and dire as some predict, the quickest, surest way to achieve maximum carbon reduction is to maintain operation of all extant nuclear power plants. ",
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"content": "Yeah, I gotta say, while there are a potential problems with nuclear, compared to fracking it's a much better alternative interim solution. \n\nThat said, people's NIMBY attitudes are probably it's biggest hurdle.",
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"content": "You should watch the latest Vice episode. \n\nThe new nuke plants will have a tiny fraction of waste. ",
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"content": "http://www.king5.com/news/local/investigations/catastrophic-event-at-hanford-prompts-emergency-response/140990679",
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"content": "http://www.santafenewmexican.com/special_reports/from_lanl_to_leak/federal-probe-blames-wipp-leak-on-lanl-practices-bad-chemical/article_4443634d-7ea8-5c4a-9d67-0e27d0160db4.html",
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"content": "And how much damage has been done due to oil spills, methane leaks, byproduct dumping, mining, etc etc etc? Of course there will be occasional negative impacts from nuclear energy, but they pale in comparison to the damage that has been done from oil, gas, and coal. It just sounds scarier to us because of the word \"nuclear.\" \n\nI'm not saying I wouldn't prefer a rapid expansion of even cleaner sources like solar and wind, but if nuclear can help us kick our fossil fuel addiction quicker, why not use it?",
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"content": "Wait until you hear about the environmental costs of wind and solar!",
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"content": "Nuclear power plants do have their shortcomings. But they are certainly our best option. And, thinking of the future, there is potential to develop the technology to produce waste-free nuclear energy. It is a field worth pursuing that gets a bad name among liberals because, I imagine, of the association between the word \"nuclear\" and the military.\n\n",
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"content": "nukes are great just ask the residents of fukushima and chernobyl.\n\nhonesty->clinton->hrc2016!",
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"content": "There are many people informed about this who do not think that\nFission plants are necessary. They are basing this on rational consideration, i.e., post-judgement, not pre-judgement (prejudice).",
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"content": "Quark from Deep Space Nine hasn't changed much in all these years. ",
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"content": "Typical hu-man bigotry. Quark has redeeming qualities. ",
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"content": "It's sad that all these political pundits are propped up by someone, even though(like D'Souza) are constantly debunked and destroyed.",
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"content": "Sounds about right for Dinesh D'Souza. Claim that he's a 1 percenter and only pays 13% income tax...\n\nHe's more like a 6 percenter, and that 13% is what he's supposed to pay. \n\nHe could have gotten his point across without lying, but then he wouldn't be Dinesh D'Souza, would he?",
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"content": "In what world do you think 200K for 2 adults, no minor children is 6 percent? Hell, I believe it's 147,000 for Bernie alone to hit the 2 percent. ",
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"content": "In the world where I actually read the linked article. They had multiple sources cited. I went with 6% because if that was the claim, it would still get the point across and no one could argue. ",
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"content": "I read it. I get you are a bernie bro, so..you know, I'm not expecting you to be reasonable. \nPlenty of other calculators out there. \nhttp://graphics.wsj.com/what-percent/\nNowhere near 6%. Not even discussing the fact he paid a mere 13%. Lol, his \"fair share\" argument. Now we know why he refused to release his returns. Arguing about his is pointless anyway. He's behind nearly 300, so the discussion is pointless. He will fade away into some Vermont nursing home soon enough anyways, and Bernies will be forgotten as petulant children.",
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"content": "ok... well, take it up with Politifact, not me.",
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"content": "The irs.gov says different. 150k is approximately 5-6%... So go look at your bias facts because I doubt the irs lied just to help your case.",
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"content": "Household income. Try again. ",
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"content": "Is the debate household income? Or Bernie sanders income...",
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"content": "Is there a difference in the context of this mans rhetoric?",
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"content": "~150k is 5-6%...... you're talking bernies income of 147k and because you're proved wrong you switch it up to now household income....",
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"content": "No. So Bernie doesn't have a household\nIncome?",
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"content": "Dinesh should probably lay low until his probation is up. ",
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"content": "Really curious why this isn't just false. Literally every part of the comment was proven false.",
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"content": "He can't attack because he loses either way. \n\nHe's not Ted Cruz. It's not his nature. ",
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"content": "I'm tired of the narrative that is being pushed regarding the current state of the Democratic party. Nobody is under attack. Nobody is being attacked. Nobody even has been attacked.\n\nEven when the Democratic candidates campaign aggressively they are civil and respectful toward each other. We've seen a primary that has been infinitely more substantive than what we can expect in the general election, so I see no reason why we should try to stifle the conversations that we as a party are now engaged in.",
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"content": "Stop the innuendo that taking money from rich people inherently makes you corrupt. ",
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"content": "it does",
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"content": "^ You see?\n\nGeorge Clooney /= Charles Koch",
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"content": "Don't upset me today. I am sad.\n\nI just heard Prince has died. The man was a genius. :-( ",
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"content": "sorry... i liked watching him hop around and be a musical genius. i bet he would have vote for bernie given the chance.",
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"content": "He was socially conservative, being a devout Jehovah's Witness.\n\nRegarding gay marriage:\n\nWhen asked about his perspective on social issues—gay marriage, abortion—Prince tapped his Bible and said, “God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out. He was, like, ‘Enough.’ “",
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"content": "total bernie guy. but seriously, sorry about your loss. :(",
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"content": "This is a sad day. Gonna blast him on Spotify all day. ",
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"content": "Both are trying to influence the political system using their financial resources. The only difference is that they support different political ideologies. The individuals (or their political ideologies) aren't what is inherently being criticized, it's the system in which financial influence equates directly to political influence. With that in mind, both George Clooney and Charles Koch are behaving in a way that is inherently corrupt.",
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"content": "Nonsense. They have a right to use their money the same way as anyone else. \n\nBlame the game, not the player. Change the game, not hate the player.\n\nWhen a millionaire gives thousands of dollars to support an issue important to us, that's not corruption. \n\nPolitical speech is free speech. You can limit it only in terms of timing, disclosure and dollar amounts.\n\nBecause you can't say if I want to run a billboard saying Trump is bad for our country that its inherently corrupt. \n\nThat is infringing on free speech. \n\n\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> Change the game\n\nThat's the point. Hillary won't change the game because it benefits her. Bernie will. Those who support Hillary support \"the game\" you are referring to. Clearly the game energizes and excites you. Meanwhile, the game is taking voting rights and ultimately voices away from millions of Americans. It's reinforcing systems of poverty, suffering, and oppression. You accept this game; you accept the system and you are unwilling to fight for a change. Meanwhile, you mock those who do fight - calling them childish. Tell me again why those fighting to change the game will want to abandon that mission and back your candidate?",
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"content": "Neither can change the game. \n\nThis what Sanders supporters need to understand. \n\nCongress writes laws. ",
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"content": "How many times have you said something is what \"Sanders supporters need to understand.\" ??? You just keep saying that about totally different things.\n\nHere's something you need to understand: You don't understand Sanders supporters, what motivates them, or what it is they are really fighting for. You think you do, but you do not. You also clearly do not want to try, like far too many people in your party. If you and those like you do not reconsider, you will not win the open election. ",
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"content": "You just said it was Occupy, which it was not. \n\nI know what motivates Sanders supporters better than you do. I was an activist for years and I know the difference between liberals and progressives. Years before Sanders supporters even knew who he was.\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "I said \"related to the Occupy movement\". That's the kind of nuance you miss when you're banging out replies and not paying much attention to what you're replying to. ",
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"content": "\"related\".\n\nThe core of the anti-capitalist movement in the US is related to Occupy. And their zealotry I fear has corrupted the Sanders' campaign. \n\nIt's unfortunate. Because I like Sanders, but a campaign that puts the economic system on trial is doomed from the start. \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "It's like you slept through 2008 or something. ",
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"content": "What is that supposed to mean? \n\n",
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"content": "> a campaign that puts the economic system on trial is doomed from the start\n\nA populous unwilling to put their economic system on trail is doomed.",
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"content": "Not when the alternative is socialism.\n\nIf you think otherwise then you don't really understand what the populous wants. \n\nThey don't want to put Wall Street and capitalism on trial. \n\nNearly half of us have investments in Wall Street including pensions. \n\nI\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Under our current legal framework, it's perfectly legal to do what the Koch's do. So what then is your complaint? There's absolutely nothing wrong with what they do because it's all legal and acceptable. Right?\n\n",
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"content": "What they do? The action is not evil or wrong. The action is a tool to be regulated.\n\nIt's speech. How do you stop the Kochs from running add against Clinton? \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Just because a fix would require extensive consideration and a different legal context doesn't mean we shouldn't have conversations about the need for that fix or how it might occur.",
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"content": "So what would be fixed exactly?\n\nYou can limit indiv contributions but you can't prevent ad buying. Maybe 90 days out but not completely. ",
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"content": "Have you heard of the Wolf PAC? If you're truly interested in beginning to explore this complex legal question, then I would encourage you to start your journey by researching them.",
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"content": "It doesn't mater the motive...they both give for the same reason...access.\n",
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"content": "Just like Greenpeace, Sierra Club, NOW, MoveOn, Student Groups, Unions and Labor groups. \n\nIt does matter the motive. It's time Sanders supporters understood that. It's what Clooney was saying EXACTLY and they still don't get it. \n\n",
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"content": "I didn't say that it was lobbyist I said it was lobbyist with sacks of cash...it is WRONG to put money in this system. That is what bothers me...Clinton supporters don't get it.",
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"content": "Put money in what system?\n\nWhere do you think your $27 goes?\n\nBernie donuts and coffee? \n\n",
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"content": "Let me see just how many donuts can you get for $7,039,800\n\nThat is what Soros Fund Management has given Hillary...and who knows how much has been given or by who by her dark money pac....sit on your damn donuts.\n\nhttps://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00000019\n\nIf it was public financed we could all keep our $27 and buy our own donuts. \n\nLook this is not just a presidential level problem the problem is a lot worse at the state level...at the state level progressives are getting slaughtered by big money....but that seems to be OK with you.",
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"content": "Uh that includes PACs, which would not be affected by public financing.\n\n",
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"content": "Wow...you tell em Mitt.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A\n\n",
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"content": "^ Derp\n\nThis denseness is why you are falling behind. \n\n",
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"content": "Now I have to explain \n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC\n\nand\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo\n\nOr is the basic concept of buying democracy you are having a hard time understanding.\n\nhttp://www.liberalparty.org/LPofNY/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/democracysold-1.jpg",
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"content": "Uh.. none of that even made sense. \n\nNo wonder you guys are in disarray. \n\nYou guys think you are somehow more knowledgable on the issues because YouTube and Wikipedia??\n\n",
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"content": "If YouTube and Wikipedia are such unreliable sources it should be easy for you to point out the flaws in the content and in his argument. Go ahead, try to use your words.",
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"content": "He has no argument.\n\nBecause what we are talking about are limits of free expression. \n\nYou can prevent contributions but not influence via media buyjng. \n\nYou can place a time limit but not a total ban. \n\nWhy is this so hard to understand? \n\nIt would take amending the 1st amendment. ",
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"content": "That's not entirely true. You can place limits on freedom of expression if the government has a compelling reason for doing so. It would be very difficult to pursue that line of legal reasoning though.\n\nRegardless, I fail to see any reason we shouldn't discuss the need for changes, what changes we would like to see, or how we would advocate for and ultimately make those changes. Shutting down the conversation isn't productive.",
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"content": "Who shut down the discussion? No one. \n\nIf you want to make it an anti-Hillary circle-jerk then it's you who is shutting it down. \n\nContributions and any PAC should be fully transparent, including their donors.\n\nPublic financing should be instituted. \n\nBesides that, there is not much you can do.\n\nJust saying it's a \"compelling\" reason doesn't make it Constitutional. \n\nJust saying you \"want\" it doesn't mean it's possible. \n\nWhat I outlined is doable and should be done before the SCOTUS guarantees anonymous speech.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "So why don't you try to outline what you see as a reasonable path forward rather than trying to defend something that even you concede needs to be changed?",
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"content": "No I think because your candidate is getting sacks full of money you want to pretend it is Ok and has no effect on the process.",
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"content": "Sanders has bigger sacks of money. \n\nFrom who knows where. ",
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"content": "That does it... now you are a lair or a fool and I don't have time for either have a nice life.",
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"content": "Sanders does have multiple finance complaints of foreign source donations.\n\nDon't like the innuendo, do you? \n",
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"content": "It's not innuendo, it's the very definition there of. As a country, we desperately need to break up the banks. She takes money from the banks; she can't break up the banks. This will hurt our country tremendously in the long run. It takes a lot of wilful ignorance to ignore this, but that doesn't make it any less true nor any less frightening for those who don't choose to ignore it.",
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"content": "Presidents don't break up banks. \n\nCongresses do. \n\nIt's time Sanders supporters understood that. \n\nElect progressives and send the bill to Clinton. I guarantee she'll sign it. \n\n\n",
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"content": "Oh, well, if you guarantee it, why am I so worried? Actually, without Sanders supporters, I'm not sure she can even win the general election to begin with. She's not a very strong candidate outside of the Democratic party. If you guys were more interested in actually winning, the party would stop squashing the Sanders energy. ",
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"content": "So you speak for all Sanders supporters?\n\nIf all Sanders supporters cop out on this election, then they never really cared about the issues.\n\nThey cared about their own egos and self-entitlement. \n\nBecause politics is compromise and not getting exactly what you want. Only idealists and children think differently. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Let's be clear. You are supporting the candidate who consistently polls worse against the Republicans and you are talking about an unwillingness to put ego aside and compromise. This is that wilful ignorance I mentioned in my previous comment. You are doing precisely what you're calling Bernie supporters out for here, and that's called being a hypocrite. And it is exactly this attitude that will drive Bernie supporters to places like the Green Party, the Libertarian Party, and even some of them straight to the Republican Party. ",
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"content": "The polls are meaningless. That is something Sanders supporters need to understand. \n\nSanders polls better because the GOP hasn't laid a finger on him. Because they would prefer to run against him. \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Actually, I think most Republicans would rather have Clinton in the White House than Trump.\n\nBernie didn't convince anyone of anything, he spoke a message that resonates with a large group of people that, for some reason, the Democratic party is blind to. The \"political revolution\" is another wave in a set related to the Occupy movement. You seem to dismiss it, but the movement almost did and may still manage to get their candidate nominated to the Democratic party.\n\nTo be frank, the Dems are failing America. It's not that the people in the party have some kind of corrupt moral character, just that money corrupted what was important about the party. Old farts, less involved people, and the ignorant in general don't see it happening. If we don't get Bernie in, there will be another wave, and another, and another.. until change happens.\n\nThe wealthy, the powerful, and the greedy can hold it back for a while - but it's coming.",
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"content": "If Bernie's movement is the Occupy movement, then it will fail. Because the heart of the occupy movement was incoherent, anarchistic and too anti-capitalist for most of America.\n\nAnd this is speaking as a person who was involved in movements in the 90s like SLAM and RESIST and saw people from college now in leadership positions in Occupy. \n\nThat is not only NOT the Democrat party but it's not most of America. \n\nWe need a solid liberal and progressive movement. \n\nNot an anti-capitalist and statist movement. There is a huge difference. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "A liberal and progressive movement to do what? The only points of change Clinton has proposed bringing are those points she lifted from Bernie.\n\nThe Democratic party participation has fallen to record lows, below 30% of the population. The Repbulican party has fallen even lower. Meanwhile, those identifying as Independents has risen to an all time record high. Let me say that again: ALL TIME record highs. Never before have so many Americans wanted nothing to do with the two-party system. \n\nClinton didn't engage those millions of people, Bernie and Bernie's message did. Clinton can not reach those people, she lacks what is required.\n\nMaybe it's not enough to win Bernie the Democratic nomination, but this is not the same old populous noise of years past. This is a growing trend, gaining in strength and influence. It's great that you used to be a progressive. It's a shame that you've grown up to stand in the way of progress. Thanks for what you've done.\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Uh, I was an independent for years before 2015. Since the 90s.\n\nPlease don't think Bernie or yourself speak for independents, because you don't. ",
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"content": "I could provide you with a wide variety of charts and graphs showing numbers collected by intelligent statisticians illustrating the trends that I speak of. However, I'm worried that the only way you possibly know how to respond is with, \"these charts and graphs don't speak for independents\". ",
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"content": "Charts showing what?\n\nWhat motivates Sanders supporters?",
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"content": "The issue isn't corruption, it's an insensitivity toward the expectations that every day people have of their politicians and of Wall Street as well as a criticism of one of the new elements of our political system.\n\nMany people feel that Wall Street requires additional regulation to help them balance the competing interests of their needs as an organization and our needs of them as a society. The people who feel this way also feel that the close connection that Hillary Clinton has with Wall Street reveals a disconnect between her words and her actions and a disconnect between her and the average individual.\n\nHer extensive coordination and cooperation with allied Super Pacs, similarly, highlights a disconnect between what people want (to be politically important regardless of their financial status) and the rules as written. Is she allowed to fund her campaign the way she is? Absolutely. Is it something people like or want? No.\n\nSo, at this point, what purpose does continuing to highlight this disconnect serve? It keeps the issue of financial regulation and reform (and campaign finance reform) on Clinton's platform. Why does the Clinton campaign want this narrative to stop? This isn't ground that Clinton likes to hold. These aren't issues that Clinton is adept at navigating, in part because she doesn't truly understand why they are issues. She would triangulate right if she were able to so that she could get back to familiar ground that she is comfortable with. Bernie Sanders is forcing her to commit to the promises she has already made or risk alienating the Democratic base that she is relying on.\n\nAnd finally, we're also seeing a degree of excuse making in this regard coming from the Clinton camp. They want an excuse for Hillary Clinton's negative favorability ratings. Accusing Sanders of driving her favorability down is convenient because it allows them to draw attention away from the real factors that are a drag on perception of Clinton. This also has the added benefit of being an effective tool for keeping the progressive wing of the party in line with the right-of center wing (\"criticize the right-of center candidates too much and you'll be stuck with a Republican\").\n\nWith all of this taken into consideration, I would say that anyone who would like to see the Democratic party commit to its progressive ideals should support Sanders' continued campaign and the civil and respectful dialogue that has characterized this primary so far.",
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"content": "Again, you mixed facts with made-up stuff. \n\nClinton is not right of center. \n\nAnd she is playing by the rules, same as Obama. \n\nIf you want the progressive agenda to move forward, stop smearing liberals who are not as left as you and instead replace down ticket candidates little by little with class and dignity and sticking to the issues.\n\nNot McCarthy tactics. Not social pressure. Not a \"with us or against us\" mentality. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> Again, you mixed facts with made-up stuff.\n\nDo you want to be more specific than just making an unsupported claim.\n\n> Clinton is not right of center.\n\nI suppose that would be dependent on your vision of the political spectrum but in general, when you consider the full spectrum of political thought, she is actually to the right of center. Take into consideration, for instance, her heavy promotion of fracking as Secretary of State and her reframing of the Iraq War as a business opportunity.\n\n> And she is playing by the rules, same as Obama.\n\nYou must have skipped over the part where I said that she is allowed to play by the rules, but that that does not exempt her from criticism. Many people feel that the rules have an unfavorable effect on our political system and allow a legal form of political bribery. If she wanted to avoid being associated with the criticism of those rules, she should have chosen to hold herself to a higher standard than what is legally acceptable.\n\n> If you want the progressive agenda to move forward, stop smearing liberals who are not as left as you and instead replace down ticket candidates little by little with class and dignity and sticking to the issues.\n\nYou act as if this is an either/or choice. We need to hold politicians accountable (including Hillary Clinton) while simultaneously supporting politicians with strong platforms. Personally, I'm advocating a comprehensive approach based on grassroots leadership rather than the \"trickle-down politics\" that hasn't been successful for Democrats.\n\n> Not McCarthy tactics.\n\nLet's stop smearing people. No one here has resorted to \"McCarthy tactics.\" Do you see any Democrats engaged in politically motivated legal persecution? I don't.\n\n> Not social pressure.\n\nThere's a difference between political pressure and a more general social pressure. Both are tools that can be used for both positive and negative purposes. I'm not going to feel sorry for using political and social pressure to force Hillary Clinton to stick to the values she has claimed in the primary during a possible general election.\n\n> Not a \"with us or against us\" mentality.\n\nThere isn't a \"with us or against us\" mentality motivating this process. This is a part of the political process. I'm sorry if that is frustrating to you, but Hillary Clinton isn't above being a part of this process. And, to be honest, I find it really unimpressive for her campaign to suggest she should be.",
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"content": "Wait, supporting fracking or war makes you right of center now?\n\nLOL, ",
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"content": "What I find interesting is that you never seem to have a full and well thought out response. In many cases, you seem to zero in on a detail rather than focusing on the underlying concepts of my position, and then argue against that detail. It's not a very strong strategy, and it gives the impression you are making ~~small~~ concessions while still arguing in an attempt to save face.\n\nLOL,",
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"content": "No, you create a long winded response that doesn't really say anything. \n\nAnd I am usually on mobile. Not gonna write a essay each time. ",
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"content": "Ah, I think we've gotten to the heart of the problem here. You don't like my views, so you don't even try to understand them or read critically. That puts your poor arguments into context.\n\nBeing dismissive, however, just seems like an even more pathetic way to save face. I mean, I concede that my responses are \"long winded\" but suggesting that they don't really say anything is just intellectually dishonest and inherently untrue.\n\nWhat's that word that everyone keeps throwing around willie-nillie? Oh, yeah ... *Smear*. Your response seems like a desperate smear.",
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"content": "A smear?\n\nWhat views? I don't challenge views, I challenge information and assertions. \n\nYou have the right to your views but not the right to be free from criticism for them. \n\nTry to be more succinct in your responses. ",
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"content": "> A smear?\n\nYou're the one who said that my comments lack a message or meaning in an attempt to discredit opinions you disagree with. That behavior can be accurately described as a smear.\n\n> What views? I don't challenge views, I challenge information and assertions.\n\nThus my criticism that you don't seem to bother to read critically, that your responses lack insight, and that you favor discussion of relatively insignificant detail over \"big picture\" thinking.\n\n> You have the right to your views but not the right to be free from criticism for them.\n\nI never suggested I am above criticism. Additionally, it isn't unreasonable to ask you to defend your positions (including your criticism). You said before that you don't challenge views, and yet you're suggesting that I shouldn't be offended when you challenge my views. \n\n> Try to be more succinct in your responses.\n\nThis is an internet discussion, and I believe that brevity must be sacrificed in favor of clarity in the interest of keeping the discussion healthy and productive. You're free to disagree with this choice.",
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"content": "Notice how many words it took you in the last paragraph. \n\nAnyways....",
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"content": "Even in this instance you're ignoring the core of my argument against brevity in favor of zooming in on an insignificant detail that really doesn't support your position. No one in their right mind is going to say that 34 words is too much. I mean, we're literally talking about a paragraph that could fit entirely in two tweets (at a total of 206 characters).\n\nAdditionally, you completely ignore large portions of the conversation. Am I to take that as a concession that I am right on the points you ignore?",
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"content": "Good for you. You win the word count contest. Seems unnecessary to me but to each his own. \n\nJust don't be surprised when you get a simple answer. This ain't a coffee shop. ",
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"content": "If it were unnecessary, then why did you bring it up? My theory is that it was a mechanism intended to distract from the larger conversation (in which you're not really excelling) in an attempt to save face. Wouldn't it be better to try and understand people's positions in the first place so that you have strong arguments to present or recognize when you have nothing to contribute?",
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"content": "Zzzzz.... huh? What?\n\n\nNevermind. ",
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"content": "Are you proud of being an internet troll?",
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"content": "I am not a troll at all. I am not being disruptive. \n\nBut good job in being succinct. ",
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"content": "[You're an internet troll.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)",
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"content": "You started this by critiquing my responses. Get over it. \n\n",
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"content": "I'm not entirely sure what your position is. Could you outline it more effectively for me?\n\nAnd remember, you're allowed to use more than 160 characters!",
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"content": "Reread the thread and come back. ",
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"content": "Done. It was easy because you write such short and empty comments.",
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"content": "Okay. Understand my position now?",
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"content": "Yeah. You feel like it is unfair for people to claim that Hillary Clinton is less than committed to an agenda of economic justice or to hold her accountable for the platform she has outlined so far in the primaries.\n\nYou've not presented a compelling argument as to why you feel these actions are unfair other than the lackluster claim that its damaging to her reputation.",
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"content": "What \"economic justice\" agenda?\n\nBernie certainly has not outlined any details. ",
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"content": "Did you read my comment? I'm not talking about Bernie Sanders. I'm talking about Hillary Clinton.",
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"content": "Nailed it.",
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"content": "fuckin a right it does",
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"content": "No, it doesn't. \n\nWas Bernie right of center when he voted for the Afghanistan war? ",
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"content": "yep",
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"content": "Do he retract his support and apologize for being a war-mongering neo-con? ",
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"content": "No? \n\nA hospital full of dead patients in Afghanistan would think differently. \n\nWhy is Bernie such a tool if the military industrial complex?",
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"content": "No, I mean all the dead civilians in AfPak. \n\nWhy does Bernie hate them? ",
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"content": "hillary was leading for once. maybe she will release the transcripts now, or are we going to have to wait til october?",
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"content": "I think she either said the 1st of Suck-It or at the end of My-Ass. \n\nOne of the two. ",
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"content": "you do know that they exist right? that the republicans have copies?",
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"content": "I am sure. \n\nAnd they are going to release them in October right???\n\nThe big surprise! Like Obama's school transcripts! ",
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"content": "nope, these are very real. i wonder how many republicans in high places were in those audiences all of those times?",
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"content": "These are real according to whom?\n\nSanders supporters desperate for hope. ",
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"content": "according to k street",
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"content": "Ooooh K Street. \n\n(Cue scary music) ",
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"content": "soon my frenemy...soon. unless they decide to drop the hatchet on the FBI investigation sooner, because they don't want the cozy relationship exposed.",
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"content": "I told you. The Clintons have made an unholy pact. They have paranormal luck. \n\nThere will be no surprise nor will there be any indictment. ",
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"content": "www.truehillaryclinton.com",
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"content": "clinton is a republican-now go mourn prince",
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"content": "Hey, you can say what you want about Clinton but don't bring Prince into this. ",
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"content": "Ya those stupid rich people and corporations. Giving those politicians all that money and getting nothing in return.",
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"content": "That is the kind of McCarthy tactic I was referring to. ",
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"content": "You seem to rely on a *loose* definition of \"McCarthy tactic.\"",
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"content": "Guilt by innuendo. \n\nLike saying \"What kind of socialist is Bernie Sanders when he admires Castro and Ortega?\"\n\n",
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"content": "Oh. So it's just a really narrow view of the tactics that McCarthy relied on most and completely ignores the persecution his opponents faced.",
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"content": "I am not saying it's the same as the persecutions of McCarthy. \n\nI am saying the tactic is the same.\n\nThe same type the right has been using again Clinton and Obama for years. ",
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"content": "You're comparing the relatively quiet Democratic campaign to the level of hatred and ignorance spewed from the Republicans?\n\nI mean, the Republican have certainly relied on the same tactics as McCarthy. For example, the Benghazi hearings that cost the US taxpayers a fortune. Or the impeachment of Bill Clinton as a result of his sexual misconduct with Lewinski. You're really claiming that that that is happening in this situation?",
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"content": "No. No where near to that degree. \n\nSanders supporters exaggerate for leverage and to motivate emotionally. They also have a deep anti-capitalist streak. \n\nThe GOP are batshit crazy liars. ",
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"content": "> No. No where near to that degree.\n\nI'm glad that we agree. You're using an emotionally charged exaggeration to motivate Clinton supporters.\n\n> They also have a deep anti-capitalist streak.\n\nProve it. I'm a Sanders supporter. Prove that I have a deep anti-capitalist streak.\n\n> The GOP are batshit crazy liars.\n\nI agree, although I think that they also include a fair amount of people who are simply ignorant or politically disengaged beyond tradition.\n",
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"content": "Deep anti-capitalist streak? What the hell does jobs, wage growth, and economic equality have to do with anti-capitalism? \n\nYou're the one who is exaggerating for leverage and to motivate emotionally. ",
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"content": "> Fact not innuendo\n> \n> \n> \n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig\n\n",
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"content": "Apparently Captain Obvious is now writing headlines for The Hill. ",
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"content": "\"But it’s also consistent with the soaring, if sometimes overexuberant, rhetorical style that Mr. Biden has preferred throughout a career in elected office that will draw to a close in January.\" i.e., that never got him the nomination. ",
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"content": "And yet here you are using an eeeeevil sell-out neo-con-liberal to prop up your candidate. ",
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"content": "Can'r spell Sanders without \"end\". ",
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"content": "You had to think about that one, didn't you? \n\nExcellent. Your obsession grows.",
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"content": "go mourn prince already!!",
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"content": "I did. I played his music all day. \n\n\n\"This is what is sounds like, when the Sanders campaign dies.\" ",
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"content": "you and your millenial generation caused what's wrong with the world. what do you have to say for yourself?",
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"content": "Hillary 2016.",
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"content": "The public thinks so. They are voting overwhelmingly for her. \n\nShe beat Sanders so bad in NY, the big banks called him to make sure he was okay. \n\n\n\nOh, that even cracked me up.",
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"content": "It was so bad in NY on Tuesday, Henry Kissinger called Sanders and asked can he lend a hand. ",
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"content": "Bernie has risen from the Lazarus Pit? ",
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"content": "I'll never forget what he said about grief and understanding why people would consider suicide. Any person who's ever lost someone too soon can identify.\n\n> “And just when you think, ‘Maybe I’m going to make it,’ you’re riding down the road and you pass a field, and you see a flower and it reminds you. Or you hear a tune on the radio. Or you just look up in the night. You know, you think, ‘Maybe I’m not going to make it, man.' Because you feel at that moment the way you felt the day you got the news.”\n\n\n",
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"content": "I have mixed feelings about Biden, but he certainly has his moments. ",
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"content": "Same; his role in the Clarence Thomas hearings and the plagiarism scandals to name a couple. But he sure hit that empty black hole of mourning on the head, didn't he?",
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"content": "Yeah. I'd like to hear him say it if you know where to send me for such a thing. I've lost way too many people to suicide and I've struggled with such thoughts at times in my life. ",
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"content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZ6UfXm410\n\nThe entire speech is worth listening to; I don't doubt his sincerity for one second. The passage that really touched me, the one I identified with starts at around 8:15.",
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"content": "I haven't watched all of it yet, but I deeply appreciate the fact that he admits to ideas and thoughts of suicide. \n\nFar too many people pretend like it's not a universal part of the human experience. ",
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"content": "You know, the ones that want to meet with Sanders but he refuses to meet with.",
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"content": "You mean Sanders doesn't care when it's a dead black guy being exploited but its wrong to do it when it's whole classroom of kids? ",
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"content": "Seems that way to me. He says he has nothing to say to the mothers. Real nice.",
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"content": "Because he doesn't want to continue politicizing them?",
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"content": "He is afraid to face their wrath and explain his votes. Not that it really matters now. He'll have time to attend the trial now.",
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"content": "Wow, just... You honestly leave me speechless. ",
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"content": "Awesome!",
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"content": "You do realize your vitriol does not endear you or your beliefs to other people. Right?",
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"content": "Yep, it has had a terrible impact on my karma.",
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"content": "Well you clearly dont do it for the karma. Honestly why do post and comment in the manner you do?",
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"content": "Things were nice and peaceful here until the Bernie Bros showed up and started spewing their Hillary corporate whore nonsense day after day after day. Asked for it to stop. It did not. So I took things in my own hands.",
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"content": "Bwahaha! /u/Michaelconfoy hero for justice! Rich! ",
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"content": "Laugh, but after next Tuesday, you may only be allowed to #laughattheberning.",
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"content": "No, I'll always get a chuckle out of you Mike. ",
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"content": "Uh Millenianals can go as far back as 1990.\n\nWhat a meltdown you guys are having. \n\n\nHahahahaha",
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"content": "actually early 80's to early 00's, but who fact checks these days?",
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"content": "They say early 80s but that would include me and I am GenX. ",
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"content": "No. I voted for Bill Clinton.\n\nThe Millennials are the self-entitled Sanders supporters who want instant socialism. They think retweets will usher it in. ",
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"content": "If it has caused you to burn with hate.... then... \n\nyes, it's pretty satisfying. \n\nAre you shaking, too?\n\n",
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"content": "nope, just being dramatic.",
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"content": "ooh. \n\nWell that sucks. ",
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"content": "Born in the early 80s and claiming to have voted for Clinton, who last stood for election when you would have been, at most, 16? Dude, if you're going to troll, you need to learn to keep your stories straight.",
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"content": "Yeah /u/vegathepunisher, what's up with that? You couldn't possibly have voted for Bill Clinton even if you were born the same year as me. ",
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"content": "I don't give my actual birth year. \n\nBut on my word, my first Presidential election I voted in was for Clinton. \n",
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"content": "Your word is garbage. \n\nYou're a liar. \n\nEither you weren't born in the eighties or you didn't vote for Bill Clinton. Which is it?",
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"content": "It's one of the two. ",
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"content": "I'm considered a member of both generations. ",
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"content": "The Millenials are different because they never had to go to a library and read as the only method for research. ",
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"content": "Like I said, I was born in 80. I'm considered both a millennial and a gen-xer. These terms aren't as rigid as you seem to think. But go ahead and keep insulting people. ",
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"content": "80 makes you 35. Def not a Millennial.\n\nYou came of age during the 90s like me. We are GenXers. \n\nThe 1980 being a Millennial is a misnomer, \n\nBecause marketers always try to keep it in the 18-35 year old range.\n\n",
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"content": "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_X\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers\n\nI fall under the time lines for both millennials and generation x. My folks qualify as both baby boomers and generation x. People don't all reproduce on a set schedule. These things aren't black and white. You're making more out of it than what's useful. ",
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"content": "It's just a neutral discussion.\n\nIn my opinion, Millennials are those who grew up with the Internet. \n\nIt's creates a cultural AND generational difference. \n\nLike we grew up with computers while our parents did not. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Those are things that have been considered. Fortunately, there has been a lot of discussion and research into these topics and there's tons of material on it. \n\nYour subjective opinion isn't indicative of the general consensus. These things aren't as cut and dry as you'd make them out to be. \n\nThe truth is that I'm both a young gen-xer and an old millennial. Or maybe I don't necessarily have a generation to claim to. Your explanation doesn't explain my experience and those of my parents. Kids born in the nineties may have grown up with a more mature Internet than we did, but I was using a home computer as early as 1986 and began using dial up services in the late eighties. The vast majority of generation Xers did not have home pcs in their early to mid childhoods. In fact, I'd bet that most them never had a computer in their homes at all before they reached adulthood. ",
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"content": "Those who grew up with the internet are those in Generation Z or the Internet Generation. They do not know of a world before the internet while Millennials remember the childhood without it. \n \nThe Millennial Generation is those who were coming to age as it it was rolled out and the turn of the millennium. That is why the range is ~1980 (contested number) to 1995. \n \nBy 1995 most households had access to the internet at home or had access another way. \n \nBecause there are some people in that date range that did have access their whole lives there is a small divide between the older Millennials and younger Millennials.",
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"content": "Then they think we'll support her if she's the nominee…",
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"content": "Sure blame the kids for the DNC forcing corporatist centrists as candidates.",
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"content": "It was not until 2014 that the \"Millennial\" generating became the largest voting population with ~74.5 million people. \n \nThe generation that was the largest voting population before that? Baby Boomers. The correct way to say this is to shift responsibility to Baby Boomers instead of Millennials.\n\n[Population Chart](http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/01/FT_15.01.15_line.png) \n \n[Source](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/01/16/this-year-millennials-will-overtake-baby-boomers/)",
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"content": "bill likes putting cigars in vaginas and spouting off bullshit. mainly those.\n\ni'm with her->hrc2016!!!\n\nintegrity=clinton",
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"content": "Uh, this is a horseshit lie. \n\nKasich used to work for Lehman Bros, and Trump has given all kinds of speeches.\n\nAnd Cruz's wife works for Goldman Sachs.\n\nThe Beanut Brigade strikes again, ",
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"content": "Your shitty diary entry makes claims with no citation, and are false on their face (since we all know Kasich worked for Lehman Bros).\n\nDon't expect this sub to be a delusional echo chamber. You can go to the Sanders sub for that. ",
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"content": "The diarrheay says \"Wall Street\", it does not specify a company.\n\nFacts are pesky things, aren't they grasshopper? ",
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"content": "No, Kasich worked for Lehman Bros. ",
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"content": "#He was paid by Lehman Brothers for services rendered.\n\nYou seem to think speeches are more damning than working full time for a company. When giving a speech, the speaker has no fiduciary control over funds. When working directly for the company, as Kasich did, he had direct fiduciary control over funds.\n\nYou seem to think, for whatever reason, that no fiduciary control is damning while fiduciary control is AOK.",
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"content": "http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2016/04/21/83356970/",
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"content": "What is so special about Goldman Sachs to you people? Lehman Brothers was one of Goldman's competitors. How is being paid by Lehman okay but being paid by Goldman is not?",
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"content": "do you understand the difference between working 9-5 and getting compensation and getting 225,000 for a half hour of your time? do you? if not i would love to work for you-gimme 225,000 for a half hour of my time.",
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"content": "> if not i would love to work for you-gimme 225,000 for a half hour of my time.\n\nYou were never Secretary of State.",
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"content": "Interestingly enough, we're not all that concerned about Republican speeches. We already know that they're greedy assholes who will say and do anything to get elected. We're under no illusions that they're campaigning for the good of the common man. ",
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"content": "Hillary Clinton explained today in the town hall what she spokes about in her paid speeches. Curious none of the Sanders supporters here have commented about that.",
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"content": "Please, elaborate. ",
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"content": "Here is the full town hall video:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/eqfGL_iTaBU",
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"content": "agreed",
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"content": "By searchforsolidarity who dat?",
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"content": "I think when Sanders officially endorses her he will give her his donor list. \n\nSo I figure $28 per person will do. ",
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"content": "There's no way Bernie supporters are going to be fundraising for Clinton. \n\nThe best that she can possibly hope for is them not voting against her. ",
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"content": "> There's no way Bernie supporters are going to be fundraising for Clinton.\n\nSpeak for yourself. I personally know several Sanders supporters who already are planning on working on the Clinton campaign when Sanders steps aside.",
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"content": "Cool. \n\nThere's no way there are going to be enough to make a positive difference for Hillary Clinton. \n\nI know a ton of Bernie supporters who would vote for Jill Stein in order to help the Greens get national attention, federal financing, and ballot acknowledgement. ",
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"content": "> There's no way there are going to be enough to make a positive difference for Hillary Clinton.\n\nYou have no way of knowing that.",
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"content": "hahahaha.......yeah. All those Independents, young people she has insulted, liberals that despise her-- we are going to give to Hillary just like we did Bernie. Sure we will. \n\nMany aren't going to vote for her, let alone give her money.",
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"content": "Polls prove you wrong.",
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"content": "I guess we will see right? \n",
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"content": "Do you have a source of her insulting young people?",
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"content": "She said that young people believe lies about her. She said that young people need to do their own research.\n\nThose are direct insults.\n\nThen there are the endless insults to our intelligence such as feigning ignorance of what wiping a server means, or refusing to let people know what she told Goldman Sachs, or her claim that she, alone of all would-be heads-of-state is immune to corruption.\n\nI live in California. It will not be close, so it doesn't matter whether I vote for her or not.\n\nIf it makes you feel better, I would vote for her over the GOP if I lived in a battleground state.",
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"content": "You are easily insulted it seems.",
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"content": "Lol. Sure do. When she said that she \"felt sorry for young people\" believing in Sanders lies. That they just need to \"do their research\". \n\nThey are the ones online doing their research and not listening to corporate owned media. Pretty insulting. \n\nhttp://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-i-feel-sorry-for-the-young-people-who-believe-sanders-camps-lies/",
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"content": "I feel sorry for them too.",
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"content": "I will feel a lot more sorry for them if Shillary is elected. ",
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"content": "Speak for yourself. \n\nOthers really care about the issues and not their self-entitled egos. ",
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"content": "I personally am speaking for myself, but I also do have friends. I am on the internet. I'm speaking for myself, yet I know there are many more with me. We will never \"Come to heel\".... ",
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"content": "Ooooh the innernet says so.... \n\n",
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"content": "I have a lot of liberal friends that I have known for about 20 years before facebook was invented, so not just the internet and I am personally got to rail against Hillary harder than anyone. Kind of like you push for her. I am sure we will both change a few people's minds.",
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"content": "If she didn't want such a long and costly campaign, she should have demonstrated that she has integrity at some point over the last 25 years.\n\nShe didn't, and that costs her. She hasn't convinced me to vote for her. Every day she keeps her speeches to herself is a day lost. Every time she flip-flops on yet another issue, it's more time lost.\n\nI'm sorry she is such a shitty candidate that she can't get more Dems, progressives, liberals, and generally decent people to support her.\n\nI'm sorry you and so many others insist on supporting someone based on name recognition and perhaps some latent desire for a flippin' monarchy.\n\nBush\n\nClinton\n\nBush\n\nObama\n\nClinton\n\n\nYeah, that's our democracy.",
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"content": "They'll do anything to get elected ",
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"content": "Including getting the most votes. ",
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"content": "By lying...",
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"content": "No, I think the voters were informed enough. \n\nDon't be dismayed. Sanders has started something that will resonate for years. ",
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"content": "And tampering with voting machines, trimming polling hours, purging voters, and tampering with voter registrations. \n\nIn fact, HRC has won two of the last ten races, and both of those states are currently under investigation for improprieties dealing with those elections. Kind of makes you think doesn't it? ",
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"content": "Source?",
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"content": "http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-voter-problems-investigation_us_5717ec85e4b0479c59d6e761\n\nhttp://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/04/doj-maricopa-county-helen-purcell-presidential-preference-election/82625974/\n\nAnd it looks like the state of Illinois will also be launching an investigation into electoral fraud in at least the city of Chicago where a 5% audit revealed extreme machine tampering. ",
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"content": "Damn, how many votes do you think that cost Clinton?",
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"content": "I'm sure it hurt her a little, but it obviously affected Bernie voters much more. When this all comes out in the wash, it's not going to look good for your candidate or the DNC. People aren't going to forget being excluded from voting. ",
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"content": "In states that she won, in areas that she did better, it is only logical Captain that it impacted Clinton more. Humans can be so illogical.",
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"content": "Bullshit. \n\nIt's in fact the opposite. \n\nShe did better with absentee ballots in Arizona, so suppressing the vote had a huge effect on the Sanders campaign. \n\nThese tactics specifically targeted voters in Brooklyn, where she won by less than the number of purged voters. ",
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"content": "She won in Brooklyn, she won Sanders' neighborhood. He only won in places like Red Hook and they hardly had any turnout anyway. Too busy smoking the bud. Arizona as we know was in a county she dominated with Hispanics.",
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"content": "She won in Brooklyn by something like 58,000 votes. There were 120,000 voters purged from Brooklyn. \n\nLook. If she'd have won fair and square, we wouldn't be having this conversation. ",
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"content": "> Too busy smoking the bud.\n\nEvery time I think you've reached the bottom of that barrel of rotten bait you've been throwing around, you go lower to dredge up new dreck. ",
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"content": "Go to the map and see what their turnout was. About 50.",
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"content": "Absolutely there's some sketchy stuff going on. She's been in scandals her whole career wouldn't surprise me if there's another one ",
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"content": "Clinton tampered with voting machines?\n\nCan't you just face the fact that you lost?",
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"content": "No Clinton didn't tamper with anything. She ~~hired people~~ has associates who hired third parties who then hired out. \n\nWhy can't you see the vote suppression right in front of your face? ",
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"content": "Because there was none,\n\nthis is rationalizing the defeats Sanders has suffered. ",
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"content": "Or hiring you.",
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"content": "False attacks on commenters. I have been a redditor for years. ",
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"content": "Stow the bullshit, man. One look at your comment history is all any reasonably sane person needs to see the truth.\n\nYou post multiple times a day, every day, exclusively about the democratic primary.\n\nYou honestly expect us to believe that somewhere in the world there exists a 30 year old man whose only interest or hobby is Hillary Clinton?\n\nI might accept this pattern of behavior if it were some fandom, sports team, or video game, but come on.",
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"content": "It's what interests me. If you look at my comments I also comment on comic books and boxing. \n\nI used to comment on Facebook before people went crazy the past couple of years, especially the righties. \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Right. And somehow, you also just happen to have time to make almost hourly posts about it. Almost as if this were your job, or something.\n\nYou're in a sad state for having taken this job, sir. I mean, It's one thing to not have any marketable skills apart from being a douchebag, but were you just too ugly to become a prostitute or what?\n\nAt least working for a pimp would have a little more prestige than this sad bullshit.",
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"content": "And by the way...\n\n>I also comment on comic books and boxing\n\nNo you don't. Your comment history is overwhelmingly you harassing people in /r/democrats (and occasionally, though seldomly in other political subs like /r/politicaldiscussion, /r/progressive, or /r/worldpolitics). I dug back more than a month and there wasn't a single post about boxing or comics anywhere.\n\nHillary Clinton is ALL you do.",
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"content": "I knew it!\n\nThere's been a huge wave of nonsense coming through. A big tidal change of what's being said here and it's quite obvious it's not the regular users.",
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"content": "Yeah, check out /r/politics. ",
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"content": "Guess they figured I could carry their water here. Am I right?",
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"content": "This actually makes perfect sense. The other day I posted an article from Above the Law that was critical of some of Clinton's messaging but otherwise praised her as a candidate. You would have thought I was committing an act of treason the way some users came after me. I actually ended up deleting the article from r/politics because of the amount of pro-Clinton/anti-Sanders/anti-me comments that were completely unrelated to the content of the article.",
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"content": "I nearly got my head taken off for saying Sanders shouldn't endorse her if he loses. Some got nasty. \n\nStand your ground though. No one deserves to silence your voice, even if that voice is just sharing an article. ",
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"content": "Here?",
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"content": "Dunno which sub, but I keep reading ridiculous anti-Bernie comments and pro Hillary comments that aren't based on any reality. Huge shift in comment parity. ",
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"content": "Sounds like what we get from the news from Sanders, like this: http://www.mediaite.com/online/sanders-my-polling-against-trump-should-be-factor-for-dems-even-if-i-trail-in-delegates/",
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"content": ">is pledging to spend \n\nJust like I've had to inform one of you other geniuses, literally the first sentence of the article tells you that this hasn't happened yet. ",
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"content": "It means it's a realistic strategy they probably already employ, and are now so confident in it that they're willing to put a million bucks behind it. ",
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"content": "Yeah, marketing is a realistic strategy. They aren't going to be paying people to sit and correct the slime you people manage to believe (sadly, I'd make a fortune), they're going to be paying people to make websites and online marketing content. PACs don't spend money to have little internet fights with you people, they spend money to win votes, and advertising is going to affect narratives way better than sitting down and trying to \"reason\" with individual Sanders-supporting reddit-users, who are in my experience have been completely immunized against reality by the empty-suited slogan-factory they worship. ",
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"content": "Did you read the article? It explicitly states that these efforts are already underway.\n\n> Correct the Record’s “Barrier Breakers” project boasts in a press release that it has already “addressed more than 5,000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter.” The PAC released this on Thursday.",
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"content": "http://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/",
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"content": "Hey! Where dafuq is my check! ",
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"content": "See this is why i think this is terrible for the party. Youre probably joking, but now the shadow has been cast on any true supporters. \n\nThats bad for dialogue, terrible for unity, and unconscionable that this is a concerted effort against people in our own party. \n\nI may differ in opinion with you, and thats the way things go. But Correct The Record has now made it harder for ANY one to believe they are actually talking to a regular average redditor. The blind faith we have had in talking with people like us has now had a pall cast over it on both sides. Theres now a bit of doubt in any political discussion. \n\nAnd we are all poorer for it as democrats. ",
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"content": "What? Are you saying there were too many Clinton supporters on reddit?\n\nReddit has been Sanders-Spam-City for months.\n\nThis kind of thing is common everywhere. China even pays people to say good things about China on social media.\n\nI wonder how much the Clinton campaign pays. \n\n",
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"content": "Thats literally the farthest thing from what i was saying....",
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"content": "\"China does it, must be ok.\"",
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"content": "The Sanders campaign has spent $10 mil on the exact same thing through revolution media. So, you know, glass houses...",
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"content": "Proof? I haven't heard about this. ",
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"content": "Try googling \"revolution media sanders.\"\n\nEdit: \"revolution messaging\"",
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"content": "Revolution Media doesn't pay people to respond to others on social media. It's not the same thing, and painting it as the same thing honestly makes me question your integrity.",
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"content": "It was a joke. ",
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"content": "What does this have to do with Clinton? Did she ask for it to be done? Should we talk about the PAC that Slanders didn't ask for? ",
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"content": "Yes she absolutely did ask for it. She's been open about her collaboration with this PAC because of legal loopholes that allow collaboration in certain areas that are considered cost free such as blogging and forum commenting. ",
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"content": "Source?",
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"content": "C'mon man. This has been reported on since last October. It's old news. ",
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"content": "trevor5sever just explained how all the Republican PACs are doing it for Sanders too. They have been putting out the same talking points for him you hear coming out of Kasich's mouth even. Except they are not even coordinating with him to keep it clean. The Rove machine keeps on cranking for Sanders after all. The same exact words Kasich used earlier this week: http://www.mediaite.com/online/sanders-my-polling-against-trump-should-be-factor-for-dems-even-if-i-trail-in-delegates/ They come out to reddit, Facebook, drop these anti-Clinton talking points out here, others including the campaign pick them up and run with them. We even know that people from outside the United States have been posting them in this subedit, including Russia. What do you think about that?",
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"content": "Bull. /u/Trevor5ever did no such thing. If you're going to lie and insult people at least tag them so they know you're slandering them. ",
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"content": "He explained the law which explains how Rove and company can do it for the Sanders campaign legally. I specified they are not coordinating. ",
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"content": "Except that's not happening. And he did no such thing. \n\nWhy do you feel it's okay to lie? Do you think that people aren't going to attribute *your* moral ambiguity with *your* candidate? [After all, she is spending millions on employing Internet forum trolls.] (http://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/) ",
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"content": "I think you're making a few too many conclusions based on speculation. Rove isn't spending money on Sanders. Rove isn't helping Sanders.\n\nRove might be against Clinton, but everyone knew that going in. There is no connection between Rove and Sanders.",
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"content": "OK for the 45th time:\n\nhttp://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/20/bernie-sanders-gets-some-outside-help-he-didnt-ask-for/\n\nhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/23/bernie-sanders-s-conservative-fanboys.html\n\nhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/21/1471660/-Republicans-are-trying-to-help-Bernie-Sanders-win-and-it-s-not-because-they-like-his-message\n\nhttp://www.salon.com/2016/01/19/karl_rove_has_a_secret_plan_to_ratfck_hillary_and_make_himself_millions/\n\nhttp://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders\n\nDo let me know if you need more. These are the top 5 hits on Karl Rove Bernie Sanders.",
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"content": "I stand by what I said. There is a big difference between doing something for someone and doing something against someone else. Rove would support a dead raccoon over Clinton. Beyond that, it's likely Rove would want to create a sense of drama regardless of who is running in hopes of weakening the Democratic party. He's not trying to \"choose his opponent\" like these articles suggest, he's trying to up the ante and sow discord.",
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"content": "You are quibbling my friend.",
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"content": "You're entitled to your opinion, and I mine. It isn't quibbling for me to frame the situation the way I perceive it. Rove hasn't explicitly stated his intentions publicly, so we're ultimately speculating regarding the intentions behind his actions.",
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"content": "I really love arguing with you better than anybody. You always bring it to a nice stopping point. I have never reported you and rarely dv you.",
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"content": "[Here's an article that specifically says](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/):\n\n> But Correct the Record believes it can avoid the coordination ban by relying on a 2006 Federal Election Commission regulation that declared that content posted online for free, such as blogs, is off limits from regulation. The “Internet exemption” said that such free postings do not constitute campaign expenditures, allowing independent groups to consult with candidates about the content they post on their sites. By adopting the measure, the FEC limited its online jurisdiction to regulating paid political ads.",
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"content": "Ooh, so it is true. Not surprising given how much it is happening out there. Too many PACs doing now.",
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"content": "3 of her top staffers just left American Bridge & Correct the Record in November to be on her rapid response team. They have that title and their bios on hillaryforamerica.com employee page literally list their previous experience working for/with the SUPERPAC\n\n\nYou are flat out being obtuse if you refuse to acknowledge that she knows of the pacs purpose and approves of it. ",
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"content": "I don't see any problem with it at all. It would have been awesome, if 8 years ago, every time somebody posted \"Obama wants death panels\", or \"Obama is best friends with Jeremiah Wright\", there would have been a speedy reply put up with facts and truth. Just like I love the fact that on Facebook, now most of the time somebody posts some bullshit story, Facebook slaps a \"related link\" underneath it to Snopes. Until the entire internet works that way (\"Would you like some actual facts on what you just read? Click here.\") then having people policing Facebook and Reddit to combat campaign lies and distortions is a fantastic idea.\n\nThis is the battlefield now, like it or not. This is the place where lies are spread and errant beliefs are grown. This is also the place where arguments for-or-against can be formed, and where talking points can be polished. \n\nI like to think that I'm as good a writer as anybody else on this forum, and I do my research just like everyone else, and if I think that something is wrong, I make my case in a comment and post it. I don't get paid for it. But I don't mind if there are people who spend 10 hours a day doing the same thing that I do every once in a while get paid for it. I don't think it attenuates their message or invalidates their facts. It's all sourced from the same thinking and all attempts to accomplish the same goal... to get a handle on the lies and B.S. out there. ",
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"content": "Stop projecting, son. \n\n",
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"content": "LMAO. He dragged you across the floor.",
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"content": "It's part of the stages of grief.\n\nWait until next week, when the failure really sets in. Then they really will be mad. ",
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"content": "There's nothing to grieve. Even if Sanders isn't successful in seeking the nomination of the Democratic party, he has significantly changed the political conversation and the trajectory of some previously disengaged groups. Regardless, he still dragged your ass across the floor with that comment.",
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"content": "Comments don't drag anything.\n\nThat's the problem with Sanders supporters.\n\nThey think comment sections and Tweets actually matter.\n\nI see someone go off like that, I laugh and laugh.\n\nBecause that means he is dancing to my tune. \n\nI can make him stop and go. \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "He read you for filth and your comeback is \"Stop projecting, son\"? I mean, his was really clever response that was accurate to the situation. Your response lacked any degree of wit and screamed internet rage. Who's making who stop and go?",
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"content": "I am making him stop and go. \n\nTook him longer to write that. \n\n",
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"content": "[For instance, here's your standard-issue Shillbot16.](http://imgur.com/a/P7Vi5) Four months of repeated vitriol...it'd frighten me more if this person were *not* getting paid.",
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"content": ">is pledging to spend \n\nLiterally the first sentence of the article tells you that this hasn't actually happened yet. ",
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"content": "> The task force currently combats online political harassment, having already addressed more than 5,000 individuals who have personally attacked Secretary Clinton on Twitter. \n\n\nCorrect the Records website. Specifically says this has already been going on. ",
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"content": "Yeah, but it a) only mentions twitter, and b) singles out online harassment. So it's not necessarily tied to Reddit and \"winning arguments\".",
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"content": "I was waiting for someone to post this. Saw it hours ago. Now can someone tell me how I can cash in? Can't believe I haven't made a dime off of this though I have been accused of it. They haven't even offered me content. Maybe that means mine is good enough?",
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"content": "I seriously doubt that anyone would* pay you for PR work. Maybe they'd pay you to stop supporting their campaign. ",
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"content": "[This seems to be working quite well](http://i.imgur.com/teSHr6T.jpg)",
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"content": "Have you ever noticed that although you continue to post shit memes like that I never respond with any of the countless HRC memes out there? ",
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"content": "Hillarekt.",
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"content": "Guys, read the press release. They aren't going to pay people to explain to you why Bernie Sanders is a shitty candidate on reddit. They're going to pay people to create internet marketing content and build websites debunking the right-wing conspiracy theories that have become literally the entire Sanders campaign platform. It's probably going to look ridiculous. \n\nAlso, Hillary Clinton does not run Correct the Record. ",
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"content": "She coordinates with Correct the Record extensively and has a personal relationship with the president or ceo or director or whatever they call their institutional leader.",
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"content": "She's on reddit right now, absolutely taking you as seriously as you deserve. ",
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"content": "Your sarcasm completely invalidated my point and obfuscated the underlying flaw in your claims.^/s",
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"content": "What am I going to do, ask you for *evidence* substantiating the claim that Hillary Clinton personally tells Correct the Record what to do? You're a Sanders supporter. Facts are irrelevant, whats important is the insinuation. Like you actually act like you've dropped a bomb by pointing out that Hillary Clinton knows people who have dedicated their lives to pro-Hillary Clinton causes. Ka-boom, my mind - blown. That'd be like asking for evidence that Bernie Sanders knows how to break up banks. ",
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"content": "First of all, I didn't say that Hillary Clinton tells anyone what to do. Second of all, Clinton's campaign has coordinated with Correct the Record before and she is personal friends with the Correct the Record director.\n\nIt's not my fault that it is what it is, so I don't know why you're so hostile toward me. Actually, I do know. It's because you don't have a real point so you try to hide behind insults and condescension.\n\nI appreciate that you are passionate about your candidate, but I would urge you to take a break from Reddit and perhaps the election in general. It's ok to take a break from things you are passionate about once in a while, especially when that passion becomes so toxic and unhealthy that you need to lash out.",
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"content": ">First of all, I didn't say that Hillary Clinton tells anyone what to do \n\n>She coordinates with Correct the Record extensively \n\nSorry, I'm not done lashing out about how mind-blowingly simple the Sanders crowd has become. ",
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"content": "Simple? \n\nDo you have an actual point or anything at all to say that isn't an insult? ",
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"content": "Yeah, you might notice it those spaces above, right between where you make a fool out of yourself. ",
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"content": ">Yeah, you might notice it those spaces above, right between where you make a fool out of yourself. \n\nYou know I'm not /u/Trevor5ever right? \n\nI invited myself to this discussion when I saw that you called Sanders supporters \"simple\". \n\nIf you're going to insult the intelligence of others and claim that they're making fools of themselves, you may want to proofread your comments for errors before pressing send. ",
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"content": "Yes, I'm referring to the fact that you are all over this thread leaving these giant, yawning, cavernous gaps between intelligent input, ie where I have to explain to you people what the first sentence of this article actually says. Put your fragile little ego somewhere safe, I really *was* calling you simple. ",
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"content": "> You know I'm not /u/Trevor5ever right?\n\nLol. Bokie, are you suggesting I'm simple?",
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"content": "Lol, no! \n\nHe sounded like he didn't realize that he was being addressed by a user different from the one he was already talking to. ",
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"content": "I know you weren't. I was only teasing.\n\nr/Democrats is a little on the crazy side tonight (if you know what I mean) so I thought I'd lighten the mood for a second.",
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"content": "No worries. ",
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"content": "Every day when I go to work, I coordinate my efforts with those of other professionals including many outside of my organization. That doesn't mean I tell them what to do, and in many instances it would be inappropriate for me to do so. I'm surprised that that inherent distinction wasn't apparent.",
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"content": "I think the saddest part of this whole thing is that in the time it took you to write that comment you actually convinced yourself that by \"She coordinates with Correct the Record extensively,\" you *actually* meant \"she sometimes talk to people who don't work for her directly - just like me!\" Either she \"coordinates\" in the sense of manipulating them which was the clear insinuation of your first comment, or she doesn't. \n\nSee why I think trying to reason with you people is a waste of time? You just analogized your own argument into oblivion in order to protect yourself from having to provide evidence for its original form. ",
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"content": "Yeah, because I'm very deliberate in my language and that *is* actually what I meant. I'd also like to point out that coordinate, in my situation and in this particular instance, means more that \"sometimes talks to people.\" If you don't believe me, [here's an article that specifically says](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/):\n\n> On Tuesday, Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton rapid-response operation, announced it was splitting off from its parent American Bridge and **will work in coordination with the Clinton campaign as a stand-alone super PAC**. The group’s move was first reported by the New York Times.\n\nEmphasis mine on \"will work in coordination with the Clinton campaign as a stand-alone super PAC.\"\n\nIt's clear that you're not interested in actually having a conversation, and I find that really kind of sad. Just because you don't agree with all of my views doesn't mean I'm inherently worthless.",
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"content": ">I'm very deliberate in my language \n\n>means more that \n\nThe intelligentsia of the Sanders campaign, everybody. ",
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"content": "Congratulations, you pointed out a typo.\n\nSo what is your response to this [Washington Post article? It specifically states the following](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/):\n\n> On Tuesday, Correct the Record, a pro-Clinton rapid-response operation, announced it was splitting off from its parent American Bridge and **will work in coordination with the Clinton campaign as a stand-alone super PAC**. The group’s move was first reported by the New York Times.",
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"content": "Not just a typo, but the typo of a Sanders supporter who is \"very deliberate\" in his language. \n\nBut since \"coordinate\" just means sometimes you talk to people you don't work with, I don't see the issue there. :) Good gravy this is so easy it feels like I'm interviewing Bernie Sanders on incredibly basic policy questions. ",
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"content": "Maybe you should read the full article.\n\n>But Correct the Record believes it can avoid the coordination ban by relying on a 2006 Federal Election Commission regulation that declared that content posted online for free, such as blogs, is off limits from regulation. The “Internet exemption” said that such free postings do not constitute campaign expenditures, allowing independent groups to consult with candidates about the content they post on their sites. By adopting the measure, the FEC limited its online jurisdiction to regulating paid political ads.\n\nAnd also, I would like to point out that I explicitly said that coordination, in my experience and in this situation, means more than simply talking to people. You're awfully arrogant and smug for someone who is getting pedantic about language rather than addressing the reality that I'm correct here.",
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"content": "Sorry, what does \"coordination\" mean again? ",
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"content": "Well, in my case it means regularly meeting with external nonprofits and government entities to promote regional economic and workforce development. This extends beyond simply \"talking\" and includes comprehensive discussion and efforts relating to a wide variety of topics including marketing efforts, tax incentives, educational programming, and development strategy.\n\nSimilarly, in this context Hillary Clinton's campaign likely discusses over-all campaign strategy, messaging, and policy with Correct the Record. This is more than an exchange of pleasantries.",
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"content": "The only reason this is so difficult is because you are willfully ignoring the underly point. I originally claimed that Correct the Record coordinates with the Clinton campaign and you didn't believe me and responded by wanting proof. I provided proof, and then you moved the goal posts by asking for a specific definition. I provided a definition, which you then reduced to simply talking, and I refuted you by speaking to the way real professional work. I even went so far as to speak to how the relationship between Correct the Record and the Clinton campaign. Don't pretend you're being reasonable here, because your logic is circular and your original point is inherently false. You've tried to hide it with insults and superiority, but that doesn't make your arguments any stronger. You're not representing yourself well, let alone the Clinton campaign, and over all I'd give you a D+ but only for effort.",
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"content": "I think I actually went out of my way to tell you that I *wasn't* asking for evidence. You went ahead and provided an article that provided nothing of the kind, fell to tears over your own attempts to fiddle with which meaning of \"coordinate\" you meant the whole time, and really just went out of your way to confirm what I already suspected about your kind. \n\nThe best part was when you talked up how precise you try to be with language. *underlying, *goalposts, *professionals, the fourth sentence of your post here is nonsensical because you rage-stroked your way out of it partway through, \"inherently false\" is only applicable to internally contradictory statements, and for the record, I do not represent the Clinton campaign. \n\nI just coordinate with it. ",
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"content": "Pound the pavement all you want tonight gurl. I don't think there's many who are going to be interested in buying it.\n\nNow that's some life advice for you. :)",
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"content": "You're still here? Shouldn't you be off somewhere paying close attention to your atrocious spelling and grammar or something? ",
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"content": "LMAO. You're a piece of work. Living your fantasy and feeling your oats.\n\nGood luck tonight.",
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"content": "Man, I just pointed out that you made a serious grammatical error while insulting the intelligence of others. \n\nYou've got nothing here. ",
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"content": "Did you miss the reply? This is starting to feel like mentally sparring with Lilliputians. No wonder your boy is getting clobbered. ",
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"content": "No, I read it. ",
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"content": "Good, guess you had your papers in front of you. This thread is a delight. ",
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"content": "I assumed that you'd figure it out sooner or later. I'm done being insulted and spoken down to by you at least for now. \n\nHave a nice night. \n",
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"content": "That's what you think. I just wanted to reply so I know where to come back to after Tuesday to see what your nervous breakdown looks like. ",
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"content": "You're a lovely person. ",
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"content": "You have a pathological craving for the last word, which is why I'm still replying. ",
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"content": "Nah. ",
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"content": "Proof is in the pudding. ",
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"content": "Nah. ",
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"content": "The Holocaust was wrong. ",
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"content": "The Holocaust was more than wrong. \n\nYou're just wrong. ",
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"content": "What a flip-flopper! Good thing Correct the Record has 5,000 of us on the case. ",
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"content": "Yeah, it's probably way more than 5,000. $1 million is a huge amount of money. ",
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"content": ">it's probably way more than 5,000 \n\nYeah, $1 million can pay a lot of salaries. That's slightly more than Tad Devine made *last month!* How many average-sized Sanders contributions did it take to line his pockets? I'd like for you to sit down and do the math. ",
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"content": "Did you read the article? It explicitly states that these efforts are already underway.\n\n> Correct the Record’s “Barrier Breakers” project boasts in a press release that it has already “addressed more than 5,000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter.” The PAC released this on Thursday\n\nLooks like you're just wrong on both points. The Clinton campaign coordinates with Correct the Record (not running it, but guiding their messaging) AND they've already got started.",
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"content": "a) Only mentions Twitter b) refers to harassment, not arguments",
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"content": "a) Only mentions Twitter, so we have no idea what level of engagement is involved on Reddit because there is no evidence for or against.\n\nb) The article discusses a whole host of ways in which they might engage and disseminate information, and the scope of Correct the Record's work involves advocating for specific views. Again, we don't know the full scope of the work involved so there really isn't evidence for or against.",
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"content": "This is from the PAC itself. They've been active since last year. \n\nhttp://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/\n\n**Anonymous online attacks, from both sides of the political spectrum, have sought to spread lies and misleading narratives about Secretary Hillary Clinton. Hillary’s supporters are more enthusiastic than Sen. Bernie Sanders’ supporters, yet oftentimes are discouraged from engaging online and are “often afraid to voice their thoughts” because of the fear of online harassment. Many of Hillary Clinton’s female supporters in particular have been subject to intense cyber-bullying and sexist attacks from swarms of anonymous attackers.**\n\nAmong the many Hillary Clinton supporters attacked online, superdelegates have been subject to vicious attacks for supporting her. Even the director of MoveOn, which has endorsed Sen. Sanders, denounced this harassment.\n\nIn response to these attacks on supporters and superdelegates, Correct The Record is launching the Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force. While Hillary Clinton fights to break down barriers and bring America together, the Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force will serve as a resource for supporters looking for positive content and push-back to share with their online progressive communities, as well as thanking prominent supporters and committed superdelegates on social media.\n\n**Correct The Record will invest more than $1 million into Barrier Breakers 2016 activities, including the more than tripling of its digital operation to engage in online messaging both for Secretary Clinton and to push back against attackers on social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and Instagram. Barrier Breakers 2016 is a project of Correct The Record and the brainchild of David Brock, and the task force will be overseen by President of Correct The Record Brad Woodhouse and Digital Director Benjamin Fischbein. The task force staff’s backgrounds are as diverse as the community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar to those with which the task force will organize.**\n\n**Lessons learned from online engagement with “Bernie Bros” during the Democratic Primary will be applied to the rest of the primary season and general election–responding quickly and forcefully to negative attacks and false narratives. Additionally, as the general election approaches, the task force will begin to push out information to Sanders supporters online, encouraging them to support Hillary Clinton.**\n\n**The task force currently combats online political harassment, having already addressed more than 5,000 individuals who have personally attacked Secretary Clinton on Twitter. The task force will provide a presence and space online where Clinton supporters can organize and engage with one another and are able to obtain graphics, videos, gifs, and messaging to use in their own social spaces. Additionally, the Barrier Breakers 2016 task force hopes to embrace the creativity of Hillary Clinton’s supporters by sharing their efforts and content with other groups.**\n\n",
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"content": "Her very own privatized cointelpro Ministry Of Truth. Imagine what she'll get up to once she gets the NSA in her bag of tricks.",
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"content": "If Correct The Record is Hillary's MiniTru, /r/politics are Bernie's brown shirts.",
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"content": "That doesn't even make sense. ",
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"content": "I think the metaphor is pretty obvious really, but both assertions are absurd anyways.",
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"content": "Clinton collaborates with Correct the Record PAC. This has been public knowledge since last fall. ",
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"content": "And?",
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"content": "And PACs aren't supposed to collaborate with candidates directly. ",
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"content": "K, but we're talking about OP's metaphor.",
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"content": "Correct the Record PAC is a political fundraising group that collects and spends millions in dark money on behalf of the HRC campaign. \n\nSubreddits are simply Internet forums. \n\nThere's no comparison. ",
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"content": "If making use of loopholes in esoteric FEC rules, and using them to pay people to have conversations on the internet is equivalent to George Orwell's Ministry of Truth; then the cult of personality around Bernie and the chauvinistic attitude of /r/politics and /r/s4p towards other ideologies and candidates are equivalent to Hitler's Brown Shirts. Keep in mind that I don't actually think either of those statements are true.",
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"content": "Not correct. Some of them legally may, depending on their structuring. The Sanders campaign coordinates with the nurse's PAC, for instance, in a lawful manner.",
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"content": "The Sanders campaign does not coordinate with that PAC. That PAC has spent money on the Sanders campaign without permission, but what are you going to do? They're nurses. They have a right to organize, fundraise, and spend as they wish. Certainly no one within the campaign is going to attack them or berate them for what certainly appears to come from purely good intentions. \n\nThanks for trying though. ",
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"content": "> The Sanders campaign does not coordinate with that PAC. \n\nIt most certainly does.",
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"content": "Are you going to sit there and pretend the s4p community isn't connected to the sanders campaign?",
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"content": "/r/sandersforpresident isn't a PAC. It doesn't matter what people do with that subreddit. It's not a Political Action Committee set up to raise and spend millions in dark money for a campaign. ",
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"content": "And, I will say, the the Sander for President sub is really well moderated and relatively well behaved. Even if they coordinated their efforts with the campaign (they are connected, one of the original mods was tapped as a community manager), it wouldn't be the same as what this article suggests Correct the Record hopes to do.",
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"content": "an organized subreddit =/= a PAC. ",
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"content": "> Clinton collaborates with Correct the Record PAC.\n\nThat's not correct. Clinton *legally can* interact with Correct the Record. Whether or not she *actually does* and to what extent are speculative but unknown.",
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"content": "She absolutely does. Brock is her boy. That's no mystery. \n\nHave you watched Colbert's mini-series on superPACs? If not, then you should. It's enlightening. They set up a PAC, fundraise, and operate it before your very eyes. This was when Steven was right before, during, and after Steven's short lived run for the presidency. Ultimately all of that money went to Donorschoose.org. If you truly think that superPACs have rigid and enforceable rules then your seriously confused. \n\nFor instance, it came to light last year that Republican candidate and former governor Rick Perry was on the board of directors for the company that was the largest donor to his superPAC. I haven't heard anything about an indictment over that, have you? ",
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"content": "Then, that's not \"not correct.\" You can say its improbable, or unlikely, but you can not say \"not correct.\" \n\nTo think any of these politicians with armies of staffers are directly conspiring with any PAC is absurd, that is also why he law is absurd. I don't doubt that every candidate coordinates with their respective PACs. That's what staffers and bagmen are for. ",
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"content": "From the PAC itself. They've been active since last year. \n\nhttp://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/\n\nAnonymous online attacks, from both sides of the political spectrum, have sought to spread lies and misleading narratives about Secretary Hillary Clinton. Hillary’s supporters are more enthusiastic than Sen. Bernie Sanders’ supporters, yet oftentimes are discouraged from engaging online and are “often afraid to voice their thoughts” because of the fear of online harassment. Many of Hillary Clinton’s female supporters in particular have been subject to intense cyber-bullying and sexist attacks from swarms of anonymous attackers.\n\nAmong the many Hillary Clinton supporters attacked online, superdelegates have been subject to vicious attacks for supporting her. Even the director of MoveOn, which has endorsed Sen. Sanders, denounced this harassment.\n\nIn response to these attacks on supporters and superdelegates, Correct The Record is launching the Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force. While Hillary Clinton fights to break down barriers and bring America together, the Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force will serve as a resource for supporters looking for positive content and push-back to share with their online progressive communities, as well as thanking prominent supporters and committed superdelegates on social media.\n\nCorrect The Record will invest more than $1 million into Barrier Breakers 2016 activities, including the more than tripling of its digital operation to engage in online messaging both for Secretary Clinton and to push back against attackers on social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and Instagram. Barrier Breakers 2016 is a project of Correct The Record and the brainchild of David Brock, and the task force will be overseen by President of Correct The Record Brad Woodhouse and Digital Director Benjamin Fischbein. The task force staff’s backgrounds are as diverse as the community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar to those with which the task force will organize.\n\nLessons learned from online engagement with “Bernie Bros” during the Democratic Primary will be applied to the rest of the primary season and general election–responding quickly and forcefully to negative attacks and false narratives. Additionally, as the general election approaches, the task force will begin to push out information to Sanders supporters online, encouraging them to support Hillary Clinton.\n\nThe task force currently combats online political harassment, having already addressed more than 5,000 individuals who have personally attacked Secretary Clinton on Twitter. The task force will provide a presence and space online where Clinton supporters can organize and engage with one another and are able to obtain graphics, videos, gifs, and messaging to use in their own social spaces. Additionally, the Barrier Breakers 2016 task force hopes to embrace the creativity of Hillary Clinton’s supporters by sharing their efforts and content with other groups.\n\n",
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"content": "> Hillary’s supporters are more enthusiastic than Sen. Bernie Sanders’ supporters, yet oftentimes are discouraged from engaging online and are...\n\nAs evidenced by her massive rallies, larger small donor count, and consistently high voter turnouts?",
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"content": "Yes, as evidenced by 2.7 million more votes for HRC than for Bernie. ",
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"content": "That's evidence of votes, not \"enthusiasm.\"",
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"content": "That's evidence of \"consistently higher voter turnouts\", as stated in the original post.",
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"content": "The individual above is mistaken when they suggest that voter turnout correlates to enthusiasm. Voting behavior is based on a complex mix of different factors, and isn't a good measure of \"enthusiasm.\"",
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"content": "In many states where she has won, voter turnout was below 2008 and far below Republican turnout. She can still win because much of that enthusiasm is a strong drive to vote *against* Trump, and he happens to be the least popular potential Republican nominee in modern history.",
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"content": "That's a very lawyer-ish talking point. Technically true, of the states that publish their vote count she has 2.7 million more of them. Roughly 50% of states are primary states that release their vote count, and coincidentally he is strongest in caucus states.\n\nIs Hillary's PAC planning to spend money to \"correct the record\" of us misinformed youth (I'm under 40, yay!) just like you've just done (not saying you are paid, saying this is an example of the hard work they'll be doing)? Clearly necessary, you *are* accurate as I said.\n\nHow do you correct poll numbers that consistently show her favorability in the heavy negatives? No President has ever been elected with worse than -1 net favorability, and if Trump weren't even less popular then she would stand zero chance this cycle. \"Enthusiasm\"?",
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"content": "As evidenced by the fact that they have to pay people to defend her on the internet. And we're really supposed to believe Clinton has a thick skin?",
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"content": "1984 By George Orwell (1/3) Audiobook\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMzBETLocSA&feature=youtu.be",
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"content": "When you consider that the vast majority of social media attacks on Clinton don't contain any verifiable facts or credible sources, it's probably a good investment. ",
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"content": "The Ministry of Hillary often has to Correct the Record. This is standard procedure and nothing to be alarmed about.",
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"content": "Opinion polling should absolutely be taken into consideration. If Trump or Cruz aren't nominated, I think we might have an issue floating Clinton as our candidate. I realize that it's a pretty big if, but this election cycle has been characterized by a very chaotic Republican party so far.",
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"content": "Nate Silver is talking about general election polling. I'm taking a step back and talking about opinion polling. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump both have the lowest favorability rating of any presidential candidates since they began measuring for it. Favorability does have an impact on the general election.",
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"content": "Once Sanders stops the negative campaigning her negative ratings will go down. He has been spending huge amounts of money on it. Record amounts. More than anyone in the race. More than any Republican. Yet, because so much of it is negative campaigning it only causes Clinton to get a negative rating and him to not get votes.",
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"content": "Sanders has done absolutely nothing underhanded and has only drawn attention to Clinton's history. I would be absolutely shocked if the negative opinion ratings of her were driven primarily by Sanders or his campaign. Regardless, I wouldn't expect it to get better. Do you think that the Republicans will abstain from hitting below the belt?\n\nAlso, whoever is moderating us can chill now. No one is upset and we got past the pleasantries and are now trying to have a conversation. If it gets ugly again, we'll just stop.",
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"content": "I haven't hit the report or dv. \n\nNo Republican will be asking for the transcripts. Trump has so many negatives that it is irrelevant. And Sanders hasn't had a true vetting. We he got one in Florida, his polling dropped 10 points in one day. Among Democrats.",
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"content": "Ultimately, I guess we'll just have to see. There really isn't much of a point in speculating now. We have no idea who is going to end up with the Republican nomination.",
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"content": "Given that Kasich is saying the same exact thing, I think this is more proof also of the flow of Rovian money continuan Sanders way.",
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"content": "I don't think that Sanders or his campaign work with Rove in any way. I think that Kasich is making an appeal to electability because he's right. He's much more electable than Trump and Cruz.",
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"content": "I agree they don't work with Rove. They have no contact with him even. But Rove feeds the campaign just like that Hillary Pac has admitted to doing. Not illegal. Put out talking points, etc. Gets picked up. His isn't the only one.",
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"content": "I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Rove supports Sanders, and that it's a stretch to suggest that he is connected to the campaign simply because Kasich uses a similar talking point.",
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"content": "Documented, I have posted the links way too many times. He doesn't support, he just wants him to win the nomination over Clinton. Like the Democrats want Trump to win.",
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"content": "I don't want Trump to win. I don't want Cruz to win. would it be nice not to face a strong opponent? Yes. Is it worth the risk? No.",
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"content": "We will consider it. \n\n\n....\n\n\nOkay, it's been considered. No. \n\nWe will stand by the will of the voters. ",
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"content": "E$tabli$hment $hill! ",
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"content": "From the PAC itself. They've been active since last year. \n\nhttp://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/\n\nAnonymous online attacks, from both sides of the political spectrum, have sought to spread lies and misleading narratives about Secretary Hillary Clinton. Hillary’s supporters are more enthusiastic than Sen. Bernie Sanders’ supporters, yet oftentimes are discouraged from engaging online and are “often afraid to voice their thoughts” because of the fear of online harassment. Many of Hillary Clinton’s female supporters in particular have been subject to intense cyber-bullying and sexist attacks from swarms of anonymous attackers.\n\nAmong the many Hillary Clinton supporters attacked online, superdelegates have been subject to vicious attacks for supporting her. Even the director of MoveOn, which has endorsed Sen. Sanders, denounced this harassment.\n\nIn response to these attacks on supporters and superdelegates, Correct The Record is launching the Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force. While Hillary Clinton fights to break down barriers and bring America together, the Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force will serve as a resource for supporters looking for positive content and push-back to share with their online progressive communities, as well as thanking prominent supporters and committed superdelegates on social media.\n\nCorrect The Record will invest more than $1 million into Barrier Breakers 2016 activities, including the more than tripling of its digital operation to engage in online messaging both for Secretary Clinton and to push back against attackers on social media platforms like Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and Instagram. Barrier Breakers 2016 is a project of Correct The Record and the brainchild of David Brock, and the task force will be overseen by President of Correct The Record Brad Woodhouse and Digital Director Benjamin Fischbein. The task force staff’s backgrounds are as diverse as the community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar to those with which the task force will organize.\n\nLessons learned from online engagement with “Bernie Bros” during the Democratic Primary will be applied to the rest of the primary season and general election–responding quickly and forcefully to negative attacks and false narratives. Additionally, as the general election approaches, the task force will begin to push out information to Sanders supporters online, encouraging them to support Hillary Clinton.\n\nThe task force currently combats online political harassment, having already addressed more than 5,000 individuals who have personally attacked Secretary Clinton on Twitter. The task force will provide a presence and space online where Clinton supporters can organize and engage with one another and are able to obtain graphics, videos, gifs, and messaging to use in their own social spaces. Additionally, the Barrier Breakers 2016 task force hopes to embrace the creativity of Hillary Clinton’s supporters by sharing their efforts and content with other groups.\n\n\n\nYou kept saying that this wasn't being used during the primaries, but they admit to currently having a staff of 5,000 people. \n\nWhat say you? ",
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"content": "Given that I already cited to the press release in my other comments I think I've already made my point. \n\n>The task force currently combats online political harassment, having already addressed more than 5,000 individuals who have personally attacked Secretary Clinton on Twitter. \n\nDid you know that Twitter is different from Reddit? \n\nWelcome to my fan club, little man :) ",
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"content": "Look we've cleared this up already. \n\nThis article is important mostly because they admit that they've been actively using PAC funds to troll the Internet. ",
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"content": "> Given that I already cited to the press release in my other comments I think I've already made my point.\n\nNo, you haven't made a point. You've thrashed about without any coherent point. That's why no one understands what you're always ranting about.\n\n> Did you know that Twitter is different from Reddit?\n\nThis is called zeroing in on a relatively insignificant details so that you can ignore the bigger picture. Additionally, the article doesn't explicitly state if they have or haven't engaged in this particular activity on other platforms, so you're resting your case on an assumption just as much as anyone.\n\n> Welcome to my fan club, little man :)\n\nDon't be narcissistic. No one is a fan of you, and your attempts to be condescending and smug only highlight the weaknesses of your pointless claims.",
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"content": ">This is called zeroing in on a relatively insignificant details \n\nAh, now there's the attitude of a victim of the New York Daily News. I'm the guy who cares about facts and reality. You must be the other guy :) ",
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"content": "Also, I didn't \"clam up.\" I just got tired of talking to somebody who [thinks the Holocaust was OK](http://i.imgur.com/KyWyoVy.jpg). :) ",
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"content": "You know damn well I don't think the Holocaust was okay. ",
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"content": "Hey, so where in this press release does it say that they have a staff of 5,000 people? Did you just see \n\n>having already addressed more than 5,000 individuals who have personally attacked Secretary Clinton on Twitter \n\nand get your little salivary glands going? That's a little careless even for a Sanders supporter! ",
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"content": "You got me. \n\nI misread that line. As you can imagine, as a volunteer I'm very busy. \n\nThey've addressed more than 5,000. That's cool. I've personally addressed at least a thousand and I'm not getting a pay check for my efforts. \n\nThe fact remains that this is a group that's been active and even they admit to it. I tend to believe that I'm somewhat effective here and in other subs. If I was being paid to do this things would definitely ramp up. \n\nFor instance, if I had financial backing it wouldn't be difficult at all to sideline all of the rules of the reddit and any sub by creating VPNs, using tor to falsify foreign IPs, and a whole lot more. \n\nDo you think that they've only addressed 5,000 users? ",
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"content": ">Do you think that they've only addressed 5,000 users? \n\nWow, you changed the subject as fast as you possibly could! \n\nPlease learn to read things more carefully before you go making my life too easy in the future, thanks. ",
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"content": "I will. Thanks for the heads up. \n\nMy other points stand. They're an active group and they admit to being active on this very site. Someone like you could certainly have contributed to that 5,000. ",
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"content": "The 5,000 on Twitter? Are you sure you've figured out that you aren't on Twitter right now? ",
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"content": "There are more than likely way more people than that being paid to tweet on behalf of MS. ",
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"content": "Citation needed. ",
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"content": "Hey, you clammed up earlier. How'd those \"garbage\" New York polls turn out? ",
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"content": "It's hard to say with all of the electoral fraud in that state. \n\nI will say that the two states that HRC has won out of the ten are currently under investigation for electoral fraud. ",
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"content": ">the two states that HRC has won out of the ten \n\nHillary Clinton has won 19 states so far. You sound tired. Take a nap! \n\nEDIT: Oh, and you can keep your one little default upvote by the way, buddy. ",
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"content": "The two states that HRC has won out of the last ten are currently under investigation for electoral fraud. ",
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"content": "Guess I gotcha again. Might wanna brush up a little bit before it's your turn in front of the New York Daily News. Good night little buddy. ",
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"content": "The two states that HRC has won out of the last ten are currently under investigation for electoral fraud. \n\n",
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"content": "Just admit you got beat.\n\nGeez. ",
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"content": "It can't be fraud... the results went in the wrong direction. /s",
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"content": "Wow. Imagine if they looked at the Southern States!\n",
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"content": "Maybe they should. Maybe we should be auditing all of the states where Clinton has won. ",
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"content": "watch this. it might help.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE",
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"content": "charlieg? who dat?",
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"content": "another non moral-relativist. you wouldn't understand.",
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"content": "'Proven' by the standards of this blogger. \n\nThat said, this is shit. Voting machines have been largely suspect for years and there is no reason to think 2016 is the year they start working great. Let's scrap the machines, go all hand count and paper trail and just wait a few more hours for results. ",
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"content": "clearly an isolated incident. /s\n",
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"content": "\"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.\nThose who count the votes decide everything.\" \n\nJosef Stalin->i'm with her->hrc2016!!",
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"content": "It takes this breathlessly outraged author about five seconds to descend into a screed against the Clinton Foundation without even bothering to question the absolutely basic premise of this little curfuffle: why should we trust the hand count more than the machine count or vice versa? Without good data on this point this blogger's allegations of fraud are completely made up, and based on how far off-topic s/he's clearly willing to go to slime the Clintons, we know that this person is obviously biased in favor of the Sanders campaign. ",
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"content": "\"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.\nThose who count the votes decide everything.\" \n\nJosef Stalin\n\nI'm with her->hrc2016\n\nIntegrity=Clinton!!",
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"content": "Really? Because 2.5 million more democrats have cast votes for Hillary Clinton than for Bernie Sanders. The people have spoken and they have said no to the politics of leadership-by-slogan, promises-without-policy, that Sanders offers. \n\nAnd given what Sanders has said about Castro and the Sandinistas, I'm on the edge of my seat for the video footage of him worshiping Stalin, too. ",
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"content": "redbaiting...wonderful. show your true neocon colors! let the anger bleed from your soul as you attempt to put a knife in progressivism. the october suprise will be fun this time around, should it be necessary. i guess i hit a nerve with the whole dnc->hrc2016 thing.\n\ntransparency=clinton!->i'm with her->hrc2016!!\n\na cigar? in a vagina?? really??? i can't make this shit up!!\n\nintegrity=clinton->hrc2016!!\n\nhttp://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/?page=full",
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"content": "What the hell am I reading here? ",
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"content": "i'm with her->hrc2016!!!\n\ntrustworthy\n\nhonest\n\ntransparent\n\n\nclinton",
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"content": "Did Bernie Sanders pick TimeCube as his running mate today or something? ",
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"content": "http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/?page=full",
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"content": ">why should we trust the hand count more than the machine count or vice versa?\n\n[From a security perspective, electronic voting is a terrible idea.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI)",
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"content": "\"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.\"\n\nJosef Stalin->i'm with her->hrc2016!!\n",
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"content": "This is a joke, right?",
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"content": "Her super pac is trying to get Bernie supporters to support her, which won't happen. Bernie wants to change America to make it better not to make money like Hillary.",
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"content": "Nice try ",
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"content": "Not even going to bother reading it. Her less than quiet acceptance of the Gaza Strip bombing by Israel is enough to make me never support her. She's experienced and qualified to be a politician, maybe even president, it by no means makes her lovable, or the best option. ",
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"content": "No, I can't.",
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"content": "The title should be \"How I Came to Accept the Inevitable and Embrace the Void\". \n\nFor the author's supposed \"love\" of Hillary, there didn't seem to be a single mention of why she is the superior candidate or is even worth supporting other than \"She will probably end up being the nominee\".",
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"content": "> But she is running a campaign with a policy platform that’s more progressive than her husband’s administration, her 2008 campaign, and—in a few cases—Barack Obama’s administration.\nGuess what? Bernie Sanders helped make that happen. He helped push Hillary Clinton to the left. And he should keep pushing her if she becomes president.\n\nThey really don't fucking get it. \n\nThis little piece right here just shows how far detached they are from reality. \n\nBernie helped push Clinton the left? Her views, her lifetime of work, her core principles- all of it- are so maleable that in the course of a few short months they were all able to be pushed to the left just like that?\n\nSaying she has been pushed to the left is the nice way of acknowledging that she will pander and say what ever is necessary to get elected. \n\nGuess what comes next? She moves back to the right. Guess what? The GOP and the general election will help make that happen. \n\nSuch a joke. ",
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"content": "She'll do anything to be elected, it's pretty sad. She just flips to whatever is popular at the moment. ",
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"content": "> So keep your passion, your energy, and even your outrage. Just focus it on November.\n\nI readily admit that many Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary, but they are fucking insane if they think the passion from Sanders' movement will suddenly transfer to CLinton. \n\nShe is a god awful fucking candidate. She is going to go into the general with some of the lowest approval ratings ever. IF she gets elected, she will begin with some of the lowest approval ratings ever. \n",
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"content": "[Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html)",
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"content": "Sanders was lucky that the Karl Rove and other Republican SuperPACs have done it for free for him.",
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"content": "Any actual evidence of that? (the way there *is* actual evidence of the Hillary team doing it) Also, do you follow me around just downvoting everything I say? ",
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"content": "OK for the 46th time:\n\nhttp://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/20/bernie-sanders-gets-some-outside-help-he-didnt-ask-for/\n\nhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/23/bernie-sanders-s-conservative-fanboys.html\n\nhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/21/1471660/-Republicans-are-trying-to-help-Bernie-Sanders-win-and-it-s-not-because-they-like-his-message\n\nhttp://www.salon.com/2016/01/19/karl_rove_has_a_secret_plan_to_ratfck_hillary_and_make_himself_millions/\n\nhttp://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-19/republican-operatives-are-trying-to-help-bernie-sanders\n\nDo let me know if you need more. These are the top 5 hits on Karl Rove Bernie Sanders.",
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"content": "[hitting a little close to home there, mc?](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html)\n\nhow much have you gotten to 'Murica Privilige Iraq2.0 into the memory hole? Is it worth the money to have to defend fracking, The PATRIOT Act, TPP and Henry Kissinger?\n\n",
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"content": "Go talk to the mothers of Newtown like Mrs. Clinton has Bernie. They keep asking you too. Is there too much blood on your hands? Too much from all the gun laws that you have voted against? They cry in the night for their murdered innocent children Bernie. Can you hear them? Bloody Bernie Sanders?",
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"content": "\"Can you hear the cries of innocents?\" froths a supporter of Iraq2.0 and Henry Kissinger's Christmas Holiday BFF...\n\n[how much were you paid for that comment?](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html)",
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"content": "http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/opinion/hillarys-big-idea.html\n\nhttp://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/22/on-democracy-and-disenfranchisement",
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"content": "Now that's some excellent right wing, republican worthy, word-smithing right there.\n\n\nYou cant possibly be serious with such disgusting commentary. Especially regarding CHILDREN....",
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"content": "She's just trying to get votes, she could care less about those people. She supported a $4 million gun sale of the manufacturer who made the assault weapon used in sandy hook. ",
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"content": "Big difference. Sales of a military weapon to foreign militaries. Exactly what the arms were meant to be used for. Not for sales to American citizens to be used to slaughter one another like at Newtown, CT that Bernie doesn't want to stop from happening. Garbage analogy. Maybe he can go explain to the mothers of Newton, CT like they keep asking why it is the same thing. See if they buy into it.",
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"content": "Maybe she should tell them why Obama called her Annie Oakley 8 years ago, and maybe why she loved guns back then but suddenly changed her position.. ",
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"content": "Source? and the person that changed their position on guns last year was bloody Bernie Slanders my child. Except on holding the gun industry to account on their lies. That he hasn't changed on. Still pro-gun on that.",
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"content": "He's not pro gun. He doesn't think the manufacturer should be held responsible for making a gun that was legally sold. And he's against assault weapons like he has been for decades.",
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"content": "http://youtu.be/bzQxFtM9cfk",
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"content": "Hillary supporters are doing an excellent job pointing out precisely why people don't like or trust Hillary. Bernie is standing out there, against the odds for what he believes. It ain't how hard you get hit, its how hard you try to get back up. Clinton's supporters are doing an EXCELLENT job of showing the contrast between Hillary and Bernie. Hillary has always stood head and shoulders among the crowd while Bernie finds the best place to be standing when the crowd arrives.\n\nThe more Hillary supporters push Bernie to get out, the better his spotlight in the eyes of Indies and cross-over r's. Bernie's steadfastness contrasts starkly the \"cost of everything, value of nothing\" mind set of Hilletantes who don't seem to appreciate or even comprehend either character or principle. They're really hurting their candidate for the general.\n\nLook how much Hillary supporters have had to drift right to justify Hillary over Bernie: Iraq2.0, fracking, the PATRIOT Act, encryption/domestic spying, TPP, KeystoneXL, Henry Fucking Kissinger...\n\nBernie **shames** Hilletantes. They want him to go away so they can forget our passion and how they're the ones who backed down when a better future was possible.",
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"content": "Chelsea Clinton is on the board of directors for the company that owns the Daily Beast. ",
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"content": "There's over 1400 delegates left... You can't just say she won before the convention ",
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"content": "Yeah, you can. \n\nOnce it's June 7th, its definitely over. ",
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"content": "Is it June 7th? I don't know we skipped may",
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"content": "You said \"before convention\". ",
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"content": "Bernie should stay in the race because someone might get assassinated. That's the reason Hillary used in 2008.\n\nhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?_r=0",
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"content": "But Clinton dropped out right after CA. \n\n",
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"content": "Yes, she did. So let's encourage Bernie to stay in until after California too!",
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"content": "That's what he will do and I understand and respect that.\n\nHe should honor his CA supporters and let them vote. ",
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"content": "Agreed. We can also take a look at the New York exit polls which showed a majority of voting Democrats believed the primary race has \"energized\" the party. No matter who we support; that is exactly what we want. A single candidate (no matter who is was) would have a difficult time doing that.",
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"content": "I have to say I am very proud of the candidates this year. \n\nAnd I am especially impressed with Bernie Sanders who is a beast.\n\nThe GOP is a shitshow when this was supposed to be their time. \n\nIt's been said so much, it's becoming cliche'. ",
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"content": "^ downvoted for being honest. ",
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"content": "So was I.",
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"content": "[how much were you paid to post this on reddit?](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html)\n\nHillary supporters are doing an excellent job pointing out precisely why people don't like or trust Hillary. Bernie is standing out there, against the odds for what he believes. It ain't how hard you get hit, its how hard you try to get back up. Clinton's supporters are doing an EXCELLENT job of showing the contrast between Hillary and Bernie. Hillary has always stood head and shoulders among the crowd while Bernie finds the best place to be standing when the crowd arrives.\n\nThe more Hillary supporters push Bernie to get out, the better his spotlight in the eyes of Indies and cross-over r's. Bernie's steadfastness contrasts starkly the \"cost of everything, value of nothing\" mind set of Hilletantes who don't seem to appreciate or even comprehend either character or principle. They're really hurting their candidate for the general.\n\nLook how much Hillary supporters have had to drift right to justify Hillary over Bernie: Iraq2.0, fracking, the PATRIOT Act, encryption/domestic spying, TPP, KeystoneXL, Henry Fucking Kissinger...\n\nBernie **shames** Hilletantes. They want him to go away so they can forget our passion and how they're the ones who backed down when a better future was possible.",
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"content": "http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/opinion/hillarys-big-idea.html\n\nhttp://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/22/on-democracy-and-disenfranchisement",
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"content": "\"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.\"\n\nJosef Stalin->i'm with her->hrc2016!!\n",
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"content": "Just waiting for the indictments to come down. Regardless of her dismissal of the issue, the FBI doesn't commit 50 agents on an investigation for nothing. It may just be a wrist-slap, but they are going to do something.",
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"content": "Hahahaha\n\n\nClassic projection. ",
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"content": "http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/?page=full",
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "hahahaha. you should pick up a mirror!",
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"content": "Why? ",
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"content": "everyone should introspect now and again, except hillary, she is perfect.\n\nhrc2016!!!",
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"content": "No one, not me, not /u/VegaThePunisher, not even HRC herself claims to be perfect. The only people who claim their candidate is perfect that I can see is the Sanders people. ",
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"content": "Do not speak ill of the Savior!!!",
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"content": "LOL! I can't wait to kneel at the feet of our elected queen. \n\nEDIT: /s, cuz ya never know...",
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"content": "perfection=clinton!->hrc2016!!",
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"content": "Heathen! Blasphemy!\n\nOff to Bengahzi with you!\n\n",
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"content": "vast right wing conspirator!!!",
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"content": "The Bank Borg is coming for you!\n\nResistance is futile. ",
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"content": "\"In other news, Sanders supporters calling on Clinton to drop out of race, as she is too far behind in the delegate count to realistically catch up to Sanders, after he won the NY primary. Later on, we'll tell you how Chris Christie said he wishes the Republican candidates were more physically fit.\"\n\ndamn, Salon is a fucking joke that isn't even funny anymore.",
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"content": "http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/?page=full",
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"content": "People like you sure do demonstrate this...\n\n",
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"content": "put down the microscope and pick up a mirror.",
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"content": "microscope? What are you talking about? Sanders supporters still think he has a chance to win, still think he has nothing in his record that is bad, still don't realize his economic plan doesn't add up, on and on. If someone wants sanders over clinton, fine, but for a sanders supporter to say clinton supporters are \"cult-like,\" shows an astounding lack of self-awareness.",
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"content": "said by a kool-aid drinker! OH YEAH!!!\n\nconsistency=clinton->hrc2016!!",
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"content": "\"Anyone who disagree with me is a Kool-Aid drinking cult member!\" Yea you sound reasonable...",
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"content": "Like I said in the other comment, no one says HRC is perfect. Many of Sanders supporters do claim he is perfect. So you should \"put down your microscope\" and \"look in a mirror\" and reevaluate which candidate's supporters are acting \"cult-like.\" \n\nAnd while you're at it, consider how you aren't presenting a factual, informed argument. You're only making baseless (and wildly lacking in self-awareness) insults against the other candidate's supporters, linking to an article on one of the least credible websites on the left. Clinton and Sanders have almost identical voting records. The main differences areas where sanders has unrealistic ideas without a credible plan to implement them, coupled with a campaign designed to insult the very people who he would need to pass his agenda in the first place. Grow up. ",
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"content": "consistent, honest, trustworthy, transparent, likeable, clinton->hrc2016!!!\n\ni told you! i love her now!!! sage vision from you has saved me from my ignorance! thank you!!!",
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"content": "intelligent, consistent, presidential, informed, reasonable, effective, not at all sexist, not at all racist, not at all dismissive of minorities, winning the party nomination, never wrote about women's gang-rape fantasies, has a realistic economic plan, understands how the banking system works, never praised dictators, has accomplished soo much -> Sanders! Saint Bernard! Bernie Panders! Crash and Bern! BS! BS2016!!",
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"content": "hahahaha->feel the bern! your hatred is funny to witness.\n\ntransparent=clinton->i'm with her! hrc2016!!\n\nhttp://truehillaryclinton.com/\n\nhttp://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/?page=full\n\n",
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"content": "More bullshit websites with as much facts to offer as tarot cards. And you keep linking the same website. Silly BernieBro. ",
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"content": "mainly because either you didn't comprehend it or you didn't read the entire thing. i really liked truehillaryclinton.com though, besides you, it is the main reason i changed from senator sanders to secretary clinton. thanks again for your help!!!\n\nhelpful=clinton->hrc2016!!",
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"content": "\"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.\"\n\nJosef Stalin->i'm with her->hrc2016!!\n",
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"content": "Is that how you comfort yourself from the fact that HRC has tons more votes than bernie sanders?",
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"content": "HRC is the only person who is universally trusted and qualified. Thank you once again for your emboldened defense of her!! I finally understand, thank you!!!\n\ntrusted->hrc2016!!!",
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"content": "You know, trolling online is immature, but it's essentially harmless. I sincerely hope you don't approach politics in the real world with the same shrillness and lazy thought processes as you are doing here. ",
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"content": "\"As a senator and candidate for president in 2007, Clinton introduced the Count Every Vote Act, which was co-sponsored by her then-rival Barack Obama. Another then-colleague of hers in the Senate, independent senator from Vermont Bernie Sanders did not cosponsor Clinton's legislation. In fact, the earliest federal legislation to restore voting rights that Sanders seemed to have signed onto was filed in 2015, according to findings even by his strong supporters.\"\n\nWonder why?",
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"content": "Only took 155 years. Not too bad.\n\n\nIn reality though, this is a great step. ",
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"content": "Isn't it kinda weird he did this *after* the primary but *before* the general? He could have done this earlier this year so they could have participated in the primary. Wtf Terry?",
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"content": "Considering this is aimed at enfranchising voters who overwhelmingly support Clinton, maybe he just didn't want Bernie's trouncing to be any more embarrassing than it already was? ",
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"content": "Seriously? He lost by over 200k votes. It's just really convenient timing that this was done after VA's primary, and well before the general. This is why Republicans hit the Democrats over the head with election rigging and it works. It's kind of obvious with this kind of stuff happening. ",
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"content": "Can't tell if we're in agreement or not lol",
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"content": "Depends. I agree Sanders loss would have been worse. But still, if he did this by executive order (as a governor) why wait until after the VA primary?",
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"content": "Perhaps because if he had done it *before* the VA primary, it would have drawn accusations of \"establishment\" and \"rigging the election in favor of Hillary.\" Maybe doing it after the primary but before the general was supposed to shield him from accusations of ulterior motives, and allow him to just be the good governor that restored voting rights because it's the right thing to do.\n\nI certainly don't believe the timing with regards to the election wasn't considered, but I don't imagine it was a large factor, either. He has plenty of stuff in VA he needs to fix, and I suppose one can only do so many things at a time. ",
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"content": "He said it wasn't politically motivated. I'm guessing that if this primary was a factor at all, he probably just didn't want to be blamed for trying to manipulate it.",
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"content": "TIL that in 1906 a Virginia state senator said that new laws to block those convicted of crimes from voting would “eliminate the darkey as a political factor in this State in less than five years, so that in no single county of the Commonwealth will there be the least concern felt for the complete supremacy of the white race in the affairs of government.”\" \n\nWTF",
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"content": "For a second I forgot Terry McAuliffe's a Democrat and thought a Republican governor did something decent.",
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"content": "Well if mook says it, then it surely isnt spin..... /s",
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"content": "It's also her support of fracking that brings her commitment to fighting climate change.",
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"content": "Indeed, fracking below 2000 feet for natural gas is much superior than drilling for oil, which is a good thing than just banning it.",
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"content": "Switching to 100% renewable energy is what we need, and it's needed now. Fracking won't help with that.",
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"content": "Lay out how that is just suppose to happen right now, immediately. Pretty sure my car needs gas. Are you suggesting we stop drilling for all oil?",
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"content": "It's not an overnight process.. We need to promote solar panels and electric cars and lower the amount of oil we use over the next few years. ",
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"content": "What I am suggesting is that fracking has proven to be disastrous. There is enough oil coming from current implementations to sustain our oil needs for the next decade or two in order to drive and/or force our society to switch to renewables. Electric cars do exist and they're getting better with each new generation. This isn't an unreachable goal.",
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"content": "Which is why there is no new drilling going on now in the US. Fracking hasn't proven to be disastrous. You only hear the bad stories. Fracking has been occurring for over 100 years. Bad fracking has been a problem. Fracking should not be done unless it is over 2000 feet deep and not done in in areas with faults.",
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"content": "I'm not even sure what that means...",
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"content": "Fracking below 2000 feet is safe. Fracking for natural gas is a good short-term solution for climate change compared to using petroleum.. ",
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"content": "No fracture mining is safe. The waste water ends up on the surface and in the aquifer. The practice creates earthquakes. Earthquakes are not safe. Creating earthquakes is inherently bad. ",
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"content": "The waste water only ends up on the surface where regulations are not enforced. Earthquakes are only created where injection is used where there are faults, such as north Texas through southern Nebraska through western Arkansas, etc. area. Fracture mining has been done safely for over 100 years.",
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"content": "It's impossible to make those companies act ethically and therefore protect the environment from their treachery. They've already contaminated an unacceptable amount of water. \n\nMan made earthquakes are a bad thing. How are you not understanding this? Consider the fact that those earthquakes are becoming more frequent and powerful. How can you justify destroying our living environment? ",
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"content": "Don't do injection fracking there. Regulate and fine companies that don't do the right thing. If they do it knowingly, prosecute them. There are about 300 active offshore rigs in the Gulf of Mexico now for the United States. More if you count Mexico. How many of them are spewing oil into the Gulf right now? We had one disaster. They paid and are paying for it. Yes we should move off of all carbon based energy. But I would rather have it come from the land than the Gulf. If we can be doing it safely right now in the Gulf, then we sure can be doing it safely on land.",
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"content": "Lots of them are spewing oil. The \"one disaster\" was the one that was widely reported on. \n\nThey spill oil all of the damn time. \n\nThere's no way to force those companies to comply. The federal regulators who oversee their operations are part of the revolving door of lobbyists and executives who get cushy government positions in order to protect their companies' interests. Fining them after the fact does absolutely nothing. It doesn't undo the damage they cause and it doesn't even cut into their profits so it's not even an effective deterrent. ",
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"content": "i'm with her->hrc2016!!!",
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"content": "Oh so when Bernie spends $16 million, they are called supporters. When Hillary spend $1 million, they are called trolls.",
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"content": "proof, or it's not true.",
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"content": "[Here you go](https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/03/19/buying-the-revolution/).",
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"content": "http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/23/bernie-sanders-campaign-we-don-t-pay-for-comments-thank-you.html",
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"content": "You forgot about all the Republican SuperPACs that have been supporting Sanders for free. Here on reddit for one. Karl Rove's for one. Everyone thinks it is a big deal because it is for Clinton dealing with the Bernie Bros who doxx people on Reddit all the time. But when it is Republican SuperPACs that we documented from sources like the NY Times, heck Karl Rove himself admitted, the still deny it is happening. Amazing.",
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"content": "Can you please describe how republican superpacs have been actively aiding and supporting sanders and why this has been mentioned anywhere?\n\nEdit: ya know what ill give you this one, the comment below responded to me. That does appear to be some republican attacks on clinton disguised as supporting bernie. \n\nI cant believe im actually giving you props. Maybe if you didnt spam so much garbage and vitriol you could actually contribute to peoples awareness. \n\nSide note thats a win win brilliant move by rove. He smears clinton and sanders with one move. He tarnishes her statements and implies republican support for sanders at the same time. Hillary supporters can cite this as a ding against Sanders and Everyone else gets to keep on disliking Clinton. \n\nWhat saddens me though is that its working. You are quite readily using this to attacks sanders, and assuming you really are a democrat you are vicariously carrying out Rove's plan to divide the party. \n\nWe all get \"gossip girled\" by you using republican smears to attack within the party. ",
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"content": "Because it has been mentioned more times that I can count, right click on this and search google, and all I do is put first 5 hits on here:\n\nKarl Rove Bernie Sanders",
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"content": "\nEdit: ya know what ill give you this one. Another commentator actually responded to me. That does appear to be some republican attacks on clinton disguised as supporting bernie. \n\nI cant believe im actually giving you props. Maybe if you didnt spam so much garbage and vitriol you could actually contribute to peoples awareness. \n",
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"content": "[Here](http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/21/1471660/-Republicans-are-trying-to-help-Bernie-Sanders-win-and-it-s-not-because-they-like-his-message) is a good piece.",
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"content": "Wow, thank you for that. I honestly didnt know that, and it is interesting. \n\nGranted it does not change my opinion of Sanders, but i am now a more knowledgeable and i formed voter. \n\nI will say though that such actions are a win win for republicans. They get to smear two dem candidates. One with attacks and another with their implied support. Its a classic make your enemies fight amongst themselves. Theres no real defense here and nothing i can say other than well played and you are correct. \n\nNow if ole mike would maybe engage more in the manner you did as opposed to spam posting hit pieces and antagonistic comments he might be able to actually sway some people. \n\n\nThank you for the response. I will read up on this more. ",
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"content": "Sixteen million on what? ",
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"content": "[$16 million](https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/03/19/buying-the-revolution/) on digital presence and for comments and sponsored content.",
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"content": "http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/23/bernie-sanders-campaign-we-don-t-pay-for-comments-thank-you.html",
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"content": "They're paying people to go online and rub her in Bernie supporters' face...that's trolling ",
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"content": "Uh no they are not. They aren't even spending it on Bernie at all. This online presence will be to battle the misinformation that Trump supporters will sure to be spreading. \n\n",
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"content": "This is good for progessives. This is how you get concessions. My gut tells me she gets the nomination, gives a left-leaning speech at the convention, and has to pick a preogressive VP. \n\nIf not, the young progressives Bernie excited stay home in November or vote Green in protest. Im not sure Hillary can beat Trump without the progressive faction. ",
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"content": "... She can. And it's not close.",
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"content": "she really cant. he has made payments directly to her. no matter what he got for them then, he can and will use this and twist it to his advantage. and that's just one thing... big money speech transcripts. fbi leaks/indictments. if hillary is the nominee she will loose... hell she would loose if they put jeb back up if even one of those skeletons get out of her closet",
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"content": "Dude... If Trump wins the nom, he can't beat anybody. It's not a subjective deal. It's a known fact by anybody involved in politics. He has alienated every demographic except for white males. His favorable ratings, especially among people of color (who will turn out in droves for Hillary) is absolutely abysmal. I don't care if you don't like Hillary. She would beat Trump. All you have to do is look at demographics. He appeals to a small portion of the electorate and she appeals to a broad portion.",
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"content": "No one will beat bernie so it dosnt really matter anyway",
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"content": "Really? No one will beat the man with an interview out there of him praising Fidel Castro? Or letters he wrote to Socialist Revolutionaries in South America sympathizing for their cause and apologizing for America? \n\nYou don't think those will hurt his poll numbers drastically when they hit national ads? ",
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"content": "No they are just more examples of how bernie was ahead of thr rest of the world. Cuba is no longer a dirty word......Just like being jewish hasnt stopped him from discussing the current plight of the Palestinian people now",
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"content": "The Clinton's wanted to do something about Cuba back in the 90s...and hillary was advocating for it all through her time as sos. It had literally nothing to do with sanders. ",
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"content": "There's no arguing with this one. Another delusional Sanders worshipper. Just look at his post history.",
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"content": "What concessions. She supports subsidizing community college and vocational training along with an expanse of affordable healthcare and an increase in the minimum wage. She is already running on *realistic* progressive policies. If you don't trust Clinton that is a different matter but her stated platform is already pretty progressive.\n\nThe Democratic party has been getting visibly more progressive even before Sanders. I think the biggest difference between Sanders and Clinton's camps are on a question of tactics\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "The problem is that anything proposed by a Democratic predsident is unrealistic in the current Congress. There's no reason to be reasonable when we are guaranteed to have to negotiate rightward.",
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"content": "I think this point might become moot with the Senate being up for grabs (Supreme Court Nominations/more leverage) and with Trump potentially the house. Also it isn't just the legislature, state governments sympathetic to a Democratic administration can also be leveraged in building a unified policy message. Mainly my support of Clinton is I think she can better handle/persuade the blue dog faction more so than Sanders could. It isn't about winning republicans, it's about winning independents and the more.conservative Democrats.\n\nAlso gonna just suggest that the longer the people elect Democrats as Presidents and the legislature is controlled/split by Republicans the negative approval rating of Congress will just sink Republican party brand until we have a unified govt. again. I think Fabian tactics are a viable alternative if we can't take back the house.\n\nWe come from a stronger position by pushing progressive reform that has broad base appeal.",
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"content": "Sanders' policies have broad-based appeal. They just can't get through Congress. He's not advocating anything truly radical",
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"content": "Do they really? His policy goals like universal healthcare is popular (not necessarily singlepayer) but the mechanisms in which he would have to fund, and implement it are pretty unpopular. A financial transaction tax to pay for free college that also includes the 401ks of middle class households? Not going to be popular. His single payer healthcare plan involves upendng the entire market, with people losing their private health insurance. On top of that this will be paid for with a tax increase across the board ,which yes, can be offset by not paying premiums, but this is assuming the funding and roll out go 100% as expected which American voters would be skeptical of. I don't think Sanders plan has been properly red teamed and was written with the assumption \"everything goes right\". \n\nRepublicans aren't dumb and they get re-elected for a reason. Sanders plans wouldn't get passed by congress and the Republicans (and most economists,lets be honest) would be able to drag his policies through the mud in how he wants them implemented. His plans aren't going to be received well. Remember when \"death panels\" became a legitimate fear for know nothing independents? Polled favorable for universal healthcare doesn't mean they are in favor of the policies *needed* to enact universal healthcare.\n\nTLDR: Polls only show things like Universal Healthcare are popular. Sanders is proposing a single payer system specifically and respondents to polls being for universal healthcare would most likely find some of the consequences as unpalatable. No evidence to suggest Sanders plans specifically are popular.",
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"content": "The idea that anything resembling what a Democratic president proposed would be implemented without fundamental changes from the campaign platform proposal is laughable. It hasn't happened in over a decade, if not decades. Consequently, it doesn't need to make sense. It needs to contain popular ideas to start a negotiation.\n\nObamacare is a centrist piece of legislation, but it was dragged through the mud by Republicans and economists. The execution is what matters, not the prognostications of people determined to make Democrats fail. ",
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"content": "I mean keep in mind that the platform hasn't been elected by the American people yet, Sanders plan when put up to scrutiny frankly will have negative perception mount against it before November. It's important to make your policy palatable by the GE. Sanders plans turn off key voting blocs and frankly it puts off economists even on the left/center. \"popular ideas\" is a really nebulous term when you poll on specifics of policy.\n\nAgain I also legitimately think Sanders single payer plan and it's implications hasn't be critically evaluated and their are questions to how Republican controlled states would administer the medicare for all expansion.\n\n\n\n> The execution is what matters, not the prognostications of people determined to make Democrats fail.\n\nI mean we are arguing the same thing basically so I agree with this, we just have fundamental disagreements on how to best \"execute\" left reform and I think we both acting the prognostications in this argument of \"what makes the democrats fail\". \n\nI honestly think building on the ACA is the way to go. Adding a public option and then out-competing the market is the next step imo to reform. I've generally been okay with the pace of progressive reform under Obama and I generally think Clinton would be a little more fierce in lobbying for a legacy of progressive reform.",
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"content": "Things like promising not to nominate wall st bankers to top financial policy poistions comes to mind. That should be the first thing he asks for before he hits the campaign trail for her, assuming it comes to that. ",
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"content": "Why the hell would you not want people who worked in wall street in charge of financial regulations? That's like saying you don't want farmers in charge of agriculture policy. Or immigrants as ambassadors. Or doctors in charge of healthcare policy. Or teachers in charge of education.\n\nWhy shouldn't people with experience in an industry be regulating the industry? ",
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"content": "At best it looks like the fox watching the hen house. At worst it is the the fox watching the hen house. \n\nAt this point I would trust career civil servants more than political appointees. ",
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"content": "You trust a bunch of people who have never stepped foot in a bank to regulate banks. Would you expect someone with no engineering knowledge to regulate building codes?",
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"content": "There are plenty of engineers that work in the public sector without being beholden to a large firm. I work in municipal government and our Public Works Dept is full of engineers that have worked for decades for the city. \n\nThe Treasury Department, for example, will have plenty of life-long finanacial experts that have worked for the givernment so long they aren't connected to Goldman Sachs or other big firms.",
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"content": "This is exactly the kind of thing that hurt liberal's reputation in this country. Believing that somehow a bureaucrat completely separated from the private sector in his experience is somehow better for crafting smart regulation than someone who has worked in the field.",
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"content": "Because using finance executives has worked out so well so far. ",
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"content": "Indeed, idiots that don't know what they are doing is always better. Let's put Joe the Plumber as head of the FDA.",
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"content": "You think Wall St is the only place that produces finance experts? What about academia, smaller financial firms, and the agencies themselves? \n\nYou don't have to be a Goldman Sachs or Merrill Lynch executive to be an expert in finance. ",
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"content": "No they don't have to be, but it will be a pretty inefficient process. There is a reason that we put regulations out for comment for such a long period of time allowing citizens, lobbying groups and businesses to comment on them. But if the regulations are devoid of reality on their impact, then you have just wasted a whole lot of time. Why do you assume everyone that works on Wall Street is evil and a crook? Do you have any evidence to support that?",
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"content": "Past action is the best predictor of future action. We haven't had a great track record of producing strong regulations for the financial sector using finance and banking exectuives. \n\nWhy are you so defensive of Wall St?\n\nEdit- I have always thought it odd on this era of governance we put lobbying groups and citizens on the same level. \n\n",
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"content": "My old roommate worked on Wall Street. Liberal, Democrat. This paint brushing of people on Wall Street is garbage. Most people that work there are typical NYC liberals. It is the bad ones that give it the bad name that make the news. Most people want it to be a well-regulated, well-functioning market that people will trust to invest in. There is a reason it is the world's market place -- it is the most trusted market place. Not perfect, and still there is always crooks. And they know the day it loses the world's trust, the money goes someplace else. It is a battle everyday, but most people on Wall Street have read their Adam Smith and know that a well-regulated market where information is available to everyone is the best. People that talk this crap have never lived with the people that work there. I am not even involved in finance but I sure know this all Wall Street is bad is a ton of crap.",
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"content": " I dont think Presidents call on the average Joe type of employee for these positions. They call the Presidents and CEOs, and more problematic, is they appear to usually come from the same places. \n\nIf they called on the President of Regions Bank or something that would be one thing, but its always the Bear Stearns and Goldman Sachs types. ",
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"content": "Regarding your edit, I'm pretty sure that's the goal of any oligarchy. ",
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"content": "It has to be. They aren't obbyists, they are \"stakeholders\" and they apparently are expected to influence the regulations put on their industries. Businesses = people. ",
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"content": "Eh. I don't really think that is that big of an issue in the grand scheme of progressive financial reform. As much as I understand skepticism of wall street based financial analysts I can see someone genuinely feeling that someone who worked in private sector finance would be best equipped for the job of giving financial policy/regulatory advice. When we are talking about the financial sector if you find a candidate that has a really qualified background most likely they worked in the private sector, which in America,for finance this means Wall street. Sometimes the best candidate will be from Wall Street. \n\nAlso let's not pretend Wall Street people are a monolith, there are plenty enough people from Wall Street who agree with more regulation and are critical of the culture (Big Short showcases these people). I'd hope a President wouldn't blindly discount an adviser because they happened to work in the private sector of finance.\n\n*note: If it was able to pass 1st amendment scrutiny, I'm all for an anti revolving door law that would ban regulators from participating in/holding stock in the industries they were regulating, for a period of time. I recognize the revolving door is a real problem that needs attention.\n\nTLDR: legitimate, meritocratic, reasons to hire someone from wall street and I don't think a president just excluding a bunch of candidates from a position based on past association is smart.",
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"content": "At this point I think I would prefer to promote from within the departments. Career civil servants have the experience and the knowledge. ",
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"content": "I'd also prefer that. I just don't really think it is as much of a knock as it is made to be to have people from wall street inside an administration nor think it is that big of a stumbling block to reform. Many people who worked on Wall Street would like to see it be reformed.",
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"content": "Undoubtedly, but at this point would you trust that? More importantly, would a bunch of young progressive voters trust that? Hillary needs to save our party, not piss off millions of young voters that may very well take their ball and go home. We need them, just like we need the Blue Dogs, the African-American and Hispanic communities, Labor, etc.",
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"content": "Oh yeah, from that angle I full heartily support it and think this would be a fine non-controversial concession. It would really help jump start the process of the Bernie base reconciling with the \"\"establishment\"\". which that being said I'd hope Sanders just single out this request in backroom dealings instead of trying to get her to back his transaction tax or 15 dollar federal min wage.",
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"content": "She seems to be hedging on the minimum wage, so that may be something she is already heading towards. \n\nI think another one she can do to help excite young people is lower the interest rate on student loans. Warren has proposed that one. I think Warren has positioned herself as a bridge between the factions. ",
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"content": "I mean I personally think her position on min wage has been relatively consistent\n\n\"12 dollars federally but 15 dollars or more in cities and counties that adjust for the CoL\"",
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"content": "That isnt a bad idea if you can implement it. Im not sure how that would work. Tiers based on population maybe?",
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"content": "I mean I think that is a reason for making it a city/state issue in where those respective governing bodies can be more responsive to the cost of living demands of their local community. We just need to build a network of activists and politicians to make sure every community makes an effort in making sure their min wage job can pay for living. Population isn't really a good metric to evaluate how much a community can handle in terms of wage increase. There are parts of Alabama that would legitimately go belly up (more so) if 15 dollars was the minimum wage. 15 dollars will get you different places in San Francisco then small town Kansas.",
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"content": "If you leave it up to cities and states it puts them in competition. You have seen that with Labor already. Toyota and other Japanese carmakers build plants in the south where they can avoid unions. If the minimum wage isnt universl, companies have less incentive to go to places with a higher wage. ",
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"content": "Hence why there needs to be an increase of the federal minimum wage along with better connecting labor activists and building grassroots efforts throughout America. The DNC should dump money to local/state elections to make sure every community has a living wage.\n",
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"content": "Thats just not feasible. States like Alabama and Mississippi would keep racing to the bottom. ",
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"content": "How could they race to the bottom with a 12 dollar wage floor? ",
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"content": "Bad wording on my part. They would stay at the floor and that would put pressure on nearby cities and states to stay there as well. Hell, the way things have been going Republican legislatures would prevent more liberal cities from raising their wages. ",
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"content": "I mean for some cities the floor might be a good spot. I also don't think their is precedence to suggest republicans would/could make it so local governments can't raise it's minimum wage. Has this ever happened? \n\nNot going to lie, I have concern about the real economic damage a one size fits all minimum wage would have in certain communities. I'd be more for some sort of federally mandated minimum wage calculation that takes into account the economic area you live in, but none of the candidates are running on that (also is a pretty technocratic solution). I think a national 15 dollar minimum wage would disrupt more local economies then what it is worth, where as a 12 dollar minimum wage is still $3.50 more than the min wage ever was ([adjusting for inflation min wage peaked at $8.57\\)](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/23/5-facts-about-the-minimum-wage/)\n\nI see little reason to think 12 dollars wouldn't be a fantastic starting point, but a lot of concerns from economists that 15 dollars across the board would stifle the job market in certain areas. Which I'd be for the government having a massive jobs program to compensate but that would never get passed.",
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"content": "Im not really opposed to a $12 minimum. \n\nAs to the legislatures, here in Texas they have recently begun to oppose certain local control. Most notably, Denton passed a ban on fracking within city limits and the legislature immediately passed a law nullifing it. If Democratic citities pass minimim wage hikes in Republican states, I think they will find a way to nullify. ",
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"content": "Why not $20 per hour? Who came up with $15?",
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"content": "Mainly the zeitgeist of modern progressive politics. But yeah I don't a 15-20 dollar minimum wage are the best for every community in the United States. I think 12 dollars is a good, workable, federal floor and I'm all for local and state governments upping it given the cost of living.",
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"content": "Lord have Mercy. Why would he think that he could believe a word that \"woman\" says? ",
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"content": "Why is woman in quotes?",
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"content": "Cry some more.",
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"content": "Perhaps if she would promise to dump Vermont's nuclear waste on Sierra Blanca, Texas?",
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"content": "Excellent, I wonder how many more delegates it will bring in for Clinton?",
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"content": "In the negatives. What happened in NY is not democracy.",
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"content": "Wrongo boyo, she won Brooklyn 60% to 40% so she will gain the most.",
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"content": "Yeah because of shady situations and now someone has been suspended due to purging over 100k people. He won way more counties than her. Having to stoop so low and cheat to win is sad, and is not democracy ",
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"content": "More counties with trees and farms and mountains. BFD. And since the purge happened of long-term registered Democrats, you tell me whom they were most likely to vote for.",
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"content": "The purge is only one of the issues at play. Broken machines and tampered registrations also stopped voters from casting ballots. The whole state needs an audit. ",
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"content": "Whatever, Clinton still comes up on top by the same or more votes.",
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"content": "Why do you love her so much? Did you donate millions to her and she did what you told her to?",
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"content": "That's impossible to know. There needs to be an audit. \n\nIn Chicago a 5% audit found that machines were tampered with to change the outcome by 18 points. That's unacceptable, regardless of who you support as a candidate. ",
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"content": "Not going to happen to change the votes, so irrelevant.",
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"content": "So it's irrelevant that possibly thousands of votes were changed and that it reversed the outcome of the primary? That's not important enough for you? ",
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"content": "There is no possible relief now. There is nothing that has ever been done in the past because there is nothing that can be done. What do you expect to happen? It is over.",
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"content": "You're wrong on so many levels. ",
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"content": "The voter purge was bigger than her margin of victory. You're assuming that everything is proportional. That's a mistake. \n\nThen there's the case of thousands of voters who've had their registrations tampered with. \n\nThen there's the situation with broken machines. \n\nThe whole city and state need to be audited. Just like Arizona and Illinois. ",
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"content": "The purge happened to registered Democrats. Given the whining from Sanders supporters about not knowing they had to register as Democrats, that tells me all I need to know.",
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"content": "They knew. \n\nThe party either failed to properly update their affiliation or outright tampered with their registrations. ",
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"content": "Source?",
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"content": "http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hundreds-ny-voters-file-lawsuit-alleged-voter-fraud-article-1.2603876",
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"content": "They filed in Arizona too. And so far?",
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"content": "Why do you hate transparency, honesty, and democracy?",
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"content": "I don't but all they can do is see what went wrong. But nothing is going to change the result. What could make you possibly think otherwise?",
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"content": "That's faulty logic. \n\nSo when detectives find a body, they should just throw it in a hole and call it a day because \"nothing is going to bring that person back to life\"? \n\nThe people responsible need to be brought to justice and necessary action needs to be taken* in order to prevent this from ever occurring again. Got it? \n\nIf it were to change the outcome of this race whatsoever, that would be good too, but it's not the first priority. ",
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"content": "Fine, assuming it wasn't just human error. That's what it was in Florida.",
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"content": "You're missing the point entirely. \n\nThere's no way to know what actually happened without conducting a thorough investigation and audit of all of the voting machine results. ",
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"content": "They should. Never said they shouldn't. Still changes nothing. Should in Arizona. Still changes nothing.",
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"content": "I guess the question is, if he suspends his campaign after Tuesday, what will happen to his legions of supporters? ",
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"content": "He will stay in until CA.\n\nHe can't leave his supporters hanging. ",
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"content": "Then why are they saying this?",
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"content": "Because they're a Clinton supporting news outlet who's grasping at straws for a story. ",
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"content": "He's also not doing a service to his supporters by needlessly drawing out the campaign. He's only strengthening the Republicans arguments against their future opponent.",
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"content": "That's an argument that conveniently ignores voters in states that have yet to vote. There are still 1,400 delegates to split. Why do you hate democracy? ",
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"content": "See, it's those kind of ridiculous hyperboles that make your side look silly and naive. There are lots of delegates left to split - but if Bernie wants to get enough of them, he's got to overpreform from how voters are indicating they'll vote by a pretty wide margin",
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"content": "You wanna talk about our hyperbole? \n\nThere are users in this sub calling Bernie Sanders a \"doddering old moron\". You hardly have a case. \n\nHe'll outperform. He has outperformed the polls in most cases. It's fine if you want to write him off but we're not. Voters in Indiana and California certainly aren't. We'll just have to wait and see. ",
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"content": "> He has outperformed the polls in most cases. \n\nIn some cases, yes. In \"most cases,\" no. Hillary Clinton has also outperformed some polls in some cases and in other cases, no.",
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"content": "Clinton has won two of the last ten races and those states are now under investigation for electoral fraud. \n\nBernie was declared to have absolutely no chance before the race even began. Now he's tied HRC in national polls and has won eight of the last ten primaries and caucuses collecting 54% of the delegates in those races. ",
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"content": "Who cares how many states Sanders has won? State totals are irrelevant. The only think that matters are delegate totals. Hillary has hundreds more than Sanders.\n\nHillary won more delegates in six New York counties *alone* than Bernie won in the last six states.\n\n>Bernie was declared to have absolutely no chance \n\nHe still has no chance. He never had a chance. He will continue to not have a chance.\n\nStick a fork in that lad. He's long past done.",
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"content": "Says you. Fortunately your opinion is as valuable as tits on a bullfrog. Thanks for trying. ",
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"content": "Says me and the millions more votes Clinton has received than Sanders.\n\nDo you kiss your mama with that mouth.\n\n#:)",
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"content": "\"Tits\" isn't a vulgarity. At least not for people older than ten. ",
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"content": "Next time you're in court, be sure to use \"tits\" in your testimony and see how well that flies.",
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"content": "The opinions are based in fact.\n\nHis supporters need to calm down. ",
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"content": "Dude, stop playing numbers games. \n\nIt's over. Sanders is just playing it out to CA. \n\nYou do him no justice by making these absurd arguments. ",
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"content": "I don't care what you think. I thought we'd already been over this. ",
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"content": "You still gonna hear it, though. \n\n",
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"content": "Oh, that's fine of course. ",
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"content": "I don't believe he will lose but in the case he does, I don't think many sanders supporters are going to support her. I for one would not support her.",
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"content": ">I don't believe he will lose\n\nHow can you not? The headline blatantly says he would need to win every single state remaining by 20 points. He's down 25 in Maryland and the only state he is likely to win is Rhode Island. He's a goner.\n\nI'd also ask you to re-evaluate your stance vis-a-vis Clinton, many people who distrust and dislike her simply don't know the truth.",
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"content": "He has bought into the /r/sandersforpresident soviet style propaganda that Obama had less delegates at this point which of course is bunk. Not even close to the truth. They spread this garbage over there to keep the wallets open. It is unbelievable. If the Clinton campaign engaged in such tactics you would hear about it in the news but then her supports don't fall for this nonsense either.",
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"content": "Very right wing attack. Calling sanders a communist 👏🏻",
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"content": "You have to be under 30.",
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"content": "Please edit out the uncivil content so I can reapprove your comment.",
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"content": "Math is not propaganda.",
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"content": "Math is not part of this conversation. ",
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"content": "I lost all respect for that doddering socialist moron when it became clear he's a fraud.",
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"content": "You should curb your rhetoric. \n\nIt's fine to have a position and to voice your opinion, but this kind of mudslinging isn't cool. You should know that anyone can post offensive comments on the Internet. You're not helping your case or adding anything useful to the discussion. ",
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"content": "\"Hillary Clinton is a criminal\"\n\"KILLary, SHILLary, SHRILLary\"\n\"I hope she gets hit by a bus\" (legit comment I saw that was upvoted several hundred times\"\n\"She's a liar, fraud, carpetbagger etc\"\n\nYet I should tone down my rhetoric? Fuck off. ",
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"content": "I've never said any of that garbage. Any of that would be immediately removed by the moderators of this sub. \n\nI'm simply pointing out that your arguments suffer dramatically by your immature and offensive insults. ",
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"content": "I never said that *you* said those things. But plenty of Sanders supporters have. I'm not going to \"tone down\" my rhetoric when Sanders supporters constantly personally insult me, because while it would make me the better person, I am not capable of being the better person.",
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"content": "Wait, you oppose abortion, am I right? ",
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"content": "Yes.",
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"content": "Yeah just wanted to make that clear. Could you expound upon your other conservative positions? ",
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"content": "As a Sanders supporter, you're against immigration, free trade and gun control. If you're trying to shame me for \"conservative\" positions, maybe we should air out the skeletons in your closet first?",
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"content": "Nope we're not against any of those things. Nice mischaracterization though. ",
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"content": "Sanders is against NAFTA, TPP, etc. \n\nSanders has repeatedly stated we need less \"low wage immigrants\" taking American jobs\n\nSanders has repeatedly opposed gun control",
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"content": "http://berniesanders.com\n\nTry again. ",
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"content": "What is this supposed to prove? You literally just linked to his website. \n\nIn fact, his website does not address the issue of trade at all. I suppose it would be too controversial, no? Let's turn to his track record instead.\n\nOn trade, I'll let him speak for himself:\n\n>Q: What do you think about the new TPP trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership?\n\n>SANDERS: I voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China. I think they have been a disaster for the American worker. A lot of corporations that shut down here move abroad. Working people understand that after NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China we have lost millions of decent paying jobs. Since 2001, 60,000 factories in America have been shut down. We're in a race to the bottom, where our wages are going down. Is all of that attributable to trade? No. Is a lot of it? Yes. TPP was written by corporate America and the pharmaceutical industry and Wall Street. That's what this trade agreement is about. I do not want American workers to competing against people in Vietnam who make 56 cents an hour for a minimum wage.\n\n>Q: So basically, there's never been a single trade agreement this country's negotiated that you've been comfortable with?\n\n>SANDERS: That's correct. \n\nOn immigration:\n\n>Voted no on bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform in 2007 and has repeatedly stated that we need to protect American workers from competition\n\nOn gun control:\n\n>Voted against the Brady Bill and voted against liability for gun manufacturers- but then flip-flopped after the last debate",
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"content": "Clinton *is* engaged in a propaganda campaign. ",
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"content": "Uh, isn't that what all politicians do?",
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"content": "Not all politicians would attack their opponent for something they're personally guilty of. \n\nNot all politicians would attack their opponents in the way that Clinton has attacked Bernie over abortion. \n\nThat's propaganda. It's patently untrue and solely designed to harm people. ",
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"content": "Iraq War vote? Wall Street? Not qualified to be president?",
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"content": "Clinton didn't simply vote for the Iraq war. She lobbied in Congress for it. She was a leading proponent. That's the truth. \n\nIt's the truth that she has personally received millions in personal income from financiers. That's the factual truth. \n\nRepeating facts isn't propaganda. Designing lies and repeating them is propaganda. ",
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"content": "I believe she is unfit to be president, she has been for all the terrible deals and the Iraq war. She takes money from big donors then says she'll stop them. She's been involved in scandal throughout her whole career. And on the other side you have a guy who's been fighting for the same thing over 30 years, no scandals and is honest. Pretty tough choice huh?",
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"content": ">She has been for all the terrible deals and the Iraq War.\n\nSo was something like 80% of the country. She based the Iraq war vote on faulty information given to her, and to the country, by the Bush administration. Not to mention that free trade deals have actually driven economic growth, and she's against the TPP.\n\n>She takes money from big donors then says she'll stop them.\n\nShe hasn't taken money from \"big donors\" any more than Sanders have. This is another case of the Sanders campaign blatantly lying and trying to claim that individuals working for an industry = that industry. Those are working people. Not to mention that the Citizens United decision was about money being spent attacking her. The only candidate who's had any infractions against the FEC is Sanders, who's received 3 warning letters about illegal donations\n\n>She's been involved in scandals throughout her whole career\n\nCan you name a legitimate scandal that *isn't* just political shit-throwing by Republicans? \n\n>Fighting for the same thing over 30 years\n\nIf you mean he's been ranting about income inequality and big banks for 30 years, yes, you're right. He's a one-trick pony- income inequality is all he ever talks about, and for him everything manuevers back to that. Not to mention he hasn't accomplished anything at all in 30 years: of the 3 bills he has passed, 2 were to rename post offices.\n\nNot to mention that Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the same ideals (women's rights, minority rights, poverty) for 25 years, since she was First Lady. While she tried to pass healthcare, Sanders sat on the sidelines and voted against the bill. All he's done in his whole career is try to look like an ideological purist and sit on his high horse to judge people who actually want to get things done.\n\n>No scandals\n\nThat's because nobody cares about him. Clinton is giving him the kiddy treatment, as a lightweight like him deserves. He had a USSR flag in his Burlington office, praised Cuba and the USSR, said breadlines were good, said he didn't believe in charity, wrote an article about women fantasizing about rape, said that cervical cancer is caused by people not having enough orgasms, and led the effort to dump nuclear waste near a small Hispanic town. Is that scandal-free? I don't think so.\n\n>Is honest\n\nWhat utter bullshit. He lies all the time. He lied about the prices at a Clinton event, he spread rumors about Clinton's relationship with Rahm Emmanuel to sway Illinois voters, he lies about the feasibility of his plans, and he lied about his relationship with the NRA. \n\nYou seem to be younger than 25, which would explain a lot, because since 1991 Clinton has been subject to a massive smear campaign from Republicans. Do you know why they attack her and not Sanders? *Because they know she would be harder to beat.*\n\nNot to mention that he's flip-flopped on things like gun control and admitted he has no idea how to break up the big banks.\n\nSanders is a doddering old fool whose protectionist, anti-immigration, pro-gun views do not make him a progressive.\n\nAmerica needs a real progressive candidate. Bernie Sanders is not that person.\n ",
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"content": "That's maybe the weakest comeback I've ever seen. That was a very well readoned, well informed post. Stop with the Kool aid, man.",
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"content": "It was terrible and mostly false. He just said she doesn't take big money yet she made more in an hour than senator sanders made in a year.",
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"content": "So the fact that she is successful at making money means she is corrupt? Should we exclusively elect poor people because they're \"more trustworthy\"? She makes money from speeches because she's a high-profile, important person who people want to hear speak. If anyone wanted Sanders to give a speech they could listen to any one of his repetitive, cookie-cutter stump speeches about millionayahs and billionayahs.",
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"content": "Nobody is paid $850,000 for simply speaking. That's ridiculous. It's obviously a quid pro quo arrangement. It's an investment. ",
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"content": "Plenty of people make money by speaking.\n\nhttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/washingtons-highest-lowest-speaking-fees/story?id=24551590#1\n\nCan you name one thing that the \"quid pro quo arrangement\" has led her to do? She was an early advocate of Wall Street regulation and is the only candidate taking on the shadow banking industry. That doesn't sound like a quid pro quo to me.",
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"content": "How convenient that retired law makers take money from corporate interests and lobbying groups. How nice of you to defend this blatant corruption. \n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/09/elizabeth-warrens-critique-of-hillary-clintons-2001-bankruptcy-vote/\n\nThe Clinton's have governed in favor of their donors time and time again. ",
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"content": ">retired law makers take money from corporate interests and lobbying groups\n\n>*retired law makers*\n\nI don't see your point- how the hell would a *retired* lawmaker taking money from *anyone* matter? If a former Congressman took money from Satan, I wouldn't care.\n\nI definitely agree with your last remark, though. The majority of Clinton's campaign funds come from individual donations from workers. I definitely agree that the Clintons have governed in favor of those donors.",
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"content": "Well, HRC was able to take money from corporations and foreign interests while serving as SOS through the Clinton foundation. \n\nAnd yes, those speaking fees are suspect. But their nowhere near the amounts that HRC draws. ",
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"content": ">HRC was able to take money from corporations and foreign interests through the Clinton Foundation\n\nOkay, now this is next-level straw-grasping, conspiracy-theorist bullshit. The Clinton Foundation is a top-rated charity that does great work throughout the world. It's been run by a number of people who are not Clintons. If she was somehow laundering money, we would know about it.\n\nI cannot believe Sanders and his supporters are seriously trying to make *donating to charity* look like a bad thing.",
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"content": "No, it's documented fact. While HRC was SOS her foundation was receiving donations from the very countries she dealt with. Keep it up. \n\nThe foundation isn't top rated. In fact the most respected rating sites wont touch it. ",
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"content": ">While HRC was SOS her foundation was receiving donations from the very countries she dealt with\n\nI'd ask for a source, but that was never in contention. What *is* in contention is your apparent belief that she somehow profited from that, considering the Clinton Foundation is a non-profit. I'd also like a source to prove that her actions had something to do with those donations.\n\n>The foundation isn't top rate. In fact the most respected rating sites won't touch it.\n\nI'm not sure where you're getting your info, but Charity Watch gives it an A rating (https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478). Charity Watch has been around since 1992 and is a widely respected organization.\n\nYou really are just talking out of your ass.",
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"content": "http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.profile&ein=311580204#.VxxihZBOlJ8\n\nIt doesn't matter who was running the foundation at the time. She and her family control billions through this organization. Until early last year, it was under investigation. \n\nShe should not be collecting money for a charity that bears her name while she's negotiating arms deals with the Saudis, or anyone else for that matter. \n\nIn fact, you'll find that many of the foreign nations and interests that she dealt with as Secretary of State have donated to her foundation. ",
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"content": ">We had previously evaluated this organization, but have since determined that this charity's atypical business model can not be accurately captured in our current rating methodology. Our removal of The Clinton Foundation from our site is neither a condemnation nor an endorsement of this charity. We reserve the right to reinstate a rating for The Clinton Foundation as soon as we identify a rating methodology that appropriately captures its business model.\n\n>What does it mean that this organization isn’t rated?\n\n>It simply means that the organization doesn't meet our criteria. A lack of a rating does not indicate a positive or negative assessment by Charity Navigator.\n\nThat is kind of creepy. I wonder why they removed the ranking? Oh wait, the website tells us why:\n\n>In accordance with our policy for removing charities from the CN Watchlist, Charity Navigator removed the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation from the Watchlist in December 2015 because the charity provided publicly accessible information regarding their amended tax Forms for 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. This information, along with the public memorandum submitted addressing the other issues raised in the Watchlist entry, meets our requirements for removal. \n\nIt was removed due to its transparency, in other words.\n\n>She and her family control billions through his organization\n\nEven if she and her family don't run it? And even if they don't profit off of it? This is next-level conspiracy.\n\n>Until early last year, it was under investigation.\n\nAnd they found nothing. The fact that it was under investigation and survived only strengthens its claim to be a good organization.\n\n>She should not be collecting money for a charity that bears her name while she's negotiating arms deals with the Saudis\n\nWhy? You haven't been able to give any decent explanation as to why we should be concerned about people *donating to charity*.\n\n>In fact, you'll find that many of the nations and interests she dealt with as SOS have donated to her foundation\n\nI'm sure they have, but that's not proof that her actions led them to donate. ",
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"content": "Bwahaha! ",
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"content": "I guess we're done here then. Feel free to come back when you can debate like an adult, please.",
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"content": "Don't tell me what to do. ",
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"content": "I said \"feel free\". Truth be told I would much prefer that you didn't, I was just being nice.",
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"content": "The fact that she goes and makes speeches to wall street then turns and says \"ill break up the banks\". He is much more trustworthy, her rating for being unfavorable is over 60%... He is consistent and has been saying the same issues for over 30 years and has voted correctly on all the ones she did not.",
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"content": "I'm not concerned about her supposed Wall Street interests. If she actually believed those things, she would be running as a Republican so she could be open about it. That's the most illogical thing about the whole \"shillary\" meme.\n\nI don't think favorability ratings are a good indicator of anything, frankly. Since 1991 Republicans have been consistently smearing and attacking her. It's not wonder that she has lower favorability ratings than a guy who nobody knew about before 2015. (Ironically, I was one of the few who supported him for years before he ran for president and managed to lose my support.) Not to mention that Sanders' unfavorability is 40% despite being a much fresher face and not having been hit hard by Republicans *or* Democrats.\n\nHe's been saying the same shit for 30 years, yadda yadda, I get it. He's also been anti-trade, anti-science, anti-immigrant, pro-bread lines, pro-Cuba, pro-China, and pro-gun for 30 years. Sorry, did I say pro-gun? I must have forgotten his recent flip-flopping on the gun issue. Why is it okay for him to flop on issues and not for Hillary?\n\nYes, Clinton has changed her stances on some issues. On gay marriage, she changed her opinion, just like pretty much everyone else in the country- in 2003 only 30% of Americans favored gay marriage, whereas in 2012, 47% did. You can't claim you like Sanders because he's \"one of us\" and then go on to hold politicians to a higher standard than everyone else. They are human just like me and you.\n\nAnd yes, for more than 30 years, Clinton too has said the same thing. While Sanders was living in Vermont and writing documentaries about Eugene V. Debs, Clinton was giving free legal aid to the poor. While he was in Congress, she was First Lady, traveling to China and speaking around the world for women's rights. They were in Senate together and worked together on many issues - voting together 93% of the time, in fact. (And keep in mind that many of their disagreements were based on guns and immigration.)\n\nThe accusations levelled at Clinton are blatantly dishonest, and they speak to a problem of dissatisfaction in American politics. I understand that sometimes both sides get heated- there are many times that I insult Sanders, which is hard not to do when so much of Reddit insults Clinton, and me for supporting her. I understand that you don't trust the establishment. I understand that you want a true progressive for president.\n\nSo do I. That's why I'm voting for Clinton, and I understand if you support Sanders, but I would ask you not to doom the election based on decades of smears.",
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"content": "Clinton was giving free legal advice to the poor? Give me a break. When was this specifically? \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI\n\nhttps://youtu.be/6lecMstzWzY",
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"content": "Do you know literally nothing about her life? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton#Yale_Law_School_and_postgraduate_studies\n\nAgain, YouTube videos are not a good way to represent your views. ",
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"content": "Yeah, the 1970s weren't 30 years ago. Thirty years ago she was on the corporate board of directors for Walmart, helping them crush small businesses and unions across the country. \n\nYeah, I know a thing or two about this woman. ",
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"content": ">The 1970s weren't 30 years ago\n\nThen we should stop raving about how Sanders was in the civil rights movement, right?\n\n>She was on the board of directors for Walmart, helping them crush small businesses and unions across the country\n\nShe pushed for women's rights and better environmental practices while on the Wal-Mart board of directors. \n\nBut hey, we're supposed to hate on the woman who had a successful career and instead fawn over a guy who was a bum without steady income before the age of 40?",
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"content": "No, you're the one that brought up that charity work. \n\nNo. I'd love for all women to have successful careers. Just not at the expense of the American people. ",
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"content": ">You're the one that brought up that charity work\n\nYes... after you denied it, and then when proven wrong, you tried to deflect it by saying it was a long time ago. If we can and should ignore her charity work, then surely we should ignore Sanders' civil rights work, right? Or are you admitting there's a double standard here?\n\n>Just not at the expense of the American people\n\nIronically enough, that's Sanders' domain more than Clinton's. He's a do-nothing Congressman and has been for 25 years (some anti-establishment politician). He collects his $200,000 salary, does pretty much nothing but grandstand in congress, and amazingly enough this is literally the only successful part of his career. *That* is a career at the expense of the American people. Hillary Clinton being a successful lawyer, activist and humanitarian is not.",
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"content": "http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/\n\nhttps://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/\n\nhttp://www.occasionalplanet.org/2016/03/04/a-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments/",
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"content": "If you have something to say, say it yourself. Or, perhaps, at least read the articles. From the first one:\n\n>In the current Congress, Sanders ranks fourth when it comes to the number of career roll call amendments passed, according GovTrack founder, Josh Tauberer. The three lawmakers who top him are Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., with 27 in 15 years in Congress; Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., with 24 in 33 years; and Rep Steve King, R-Iowa, with 22 in 13 years. Roll call amendments aside, Sanders isn’t shattering any legislative records, though he’s not doing poorly either.\n\nSo nothing special.\n\nAs for the second source, I'm not inclined to trust a bog called \"pplswar\" that links to YouTube videos rather than decent sources.\n\nThe third source lists him getting elected, and voting for and against things, as achievements. Those aren't achievements, those are his job description. He has done nothing but be an uncompromising, unrealistic blowhard and purist.\n\n\n",
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"content": "You're harassing me. ",
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"content": "This is literally the biggest fucking cop-out I have ever seen. You have no response so you claim I'm harassing you- as if you haven't responded to my comments in several threads to try and argue with me.",
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"content": "Actually I do, and several of your comments have been removed. Should I post the PMs you've sent me? ",
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"content": "If you have a response, then go ahead and post it. You're pretty much just deflecting any argument, as usual.",
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"content": "I didn't deflect. You're harassing me and if you don't calm down, I'll go to the admins next. ",
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"content": "I'm harassing you? You've responded to me in multiple threads and I have replied back. Not to mention that you're claiming harassment- yet I need to calm down?\n\nGo to the admins, please. I just know they'll be interested in how someone who *replies back* to your comments is harassing you.",
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"content": "I've replied because you continue to attack me. \n\nSome people here might argue that you're not really a Democrat because you're anti choice. What say you on that? ",
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"content": "I continue to attack you? You're attacking me, but okay.\n\nAre you saying Jimmy Carter, Joe Donnelly, Bob Casey, Dick Durbin, Joe Manchin, and the 31% of pro-life Democrats (http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/abnceeal3ec5o3lvbweylg.gif) are not Democrats? Because if so, you're advocating for an noninclusive party.\n\n",
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"content": "I'm not saying that. \n\nI said that *some people* might say that. \n\nJust like I personally understand why some people disagree with certain types of gun control. \n\n",
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"content": "I'm not here to argue about abortion. If you can come up with a good argument for why feticide is okay, feel free to post it.",
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"content": "He has been for common sense gun rules for a while and a ban on assault weapons since the 80's. The fact that she also won't release the transcripts is ridiculous if there is nothing to hide, she is not transparent and that is why people do not trust her.",
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"content": "There's no precedent or reason for releasing her transcripts. Do you think she basically told bankers \"lol im gonna help you out\"? ",
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"content": "That's what it seems like, if there isn't anything to hide why won't she release them ",
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"content": "Why didn't Sanders release his full tax returns? Why cant Jane \"find\" the previous 8 years? Why did Sanders pay 15% in taxes if he wants the wealthy to pay their fair share? (Clinton, meanwhile, paid 44%...)",
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"content": "He released more returns..and surprise surprise Clinton made more in an hour than him and his wife did in a year. ",
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"content": "Pretty sure he released only one year's worth, and only part of them.\n\nAnd again, she paid 30% more in taxes than him. She earned more money and she also gave more back to the people.\n\nSo yeah- surprise surprise, Sanders is a hypocrite who pays half of what most Americans pay despite making more.",
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"content": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI",
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"content": "If you have to resort to a YouTube video to make a point, it's because you can't make the point yourself.",
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"content": "Right because how dare someone use here own words to make her look foolish.lol.",
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"content": "You missed my point, but okay",
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"content": "This is a bunch of unsubstantiated, unsourced conjecture. The fact that you had to resort to name calling is a good indication that your arguments are bunk. There's nothing factual here at all. ",
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"content": ">There's nothing factual here at all\n\nIronically, same with your comment. If you have a problem with something I said, I will gladly give you a source.",
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"content": "Everything you've said is unsourced, unsubstantiated garbage. I'm simply pointing that out. ",
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"content": "If you have a problem with anything I said, then point it out specifically so I can give you a source. ",
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"content": "No you can't. If you had sources, I'd have heard about them months ago. You're just talking out your ass. ",
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"content": "Please refrain from attacking users. Make your point without using insults to the person posting.",
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"content": "I'm asking you nicely to be civil. We require that of all users here regardless of which side they are on. No need to take it personally.",
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"content": "Yeah. You have to be 60 or older considering you support Clinton then.",
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"content": "What are you even talking about?",
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"content": "You said I have to be below 30 to support sanders, so I said you must be 60 or older to support Clinton ",
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"content": "No he doesn't... He pays his fair share. You're really trying to argue about his taxes while she's making speeches to Wall Street and won't release what she said to them.\nShe's corrupt, end of story.",
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"content": "Bernie has said the same thing..",
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"content": "Magic Mike, uterus something something",
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"content": "Garbage. ",
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"content": "Good! Could you provide us with a link please?",
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"content": "He's said it at all the debates.... Woman shouldn't be told what to do with their body...",
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"content": "http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-it-staffer-refuses-to-testify-after-immunity-deal/article/2589310\n\nhttp://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections/candidates/president/bernie-sanders",
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"content": "Ironically, I support Hillary and can't stand shit like this. ",
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"content": "Yeah, this is despicable. ",
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"content": "Do you even know what I'm talking about?",
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"content": "Are you offended that I agree with you? \n\nBernie Sanders has always supported a woman's right to choose. This is a non issue. He has an impeccable record in this regard. \n\nhttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-it-staffer-refuses-to-testify-after-immunity-deal/article/2589310\n\nhttp://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections/candidates/president/bernie-sanders\n\n\nUsing this as a political attack is dishonest. ",
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"content": "At no point in time did she claim Sanders didn't say this. However, she has made it a priority more than he has.\nI said I can't stand shit like this vis-a-vis abortion. ",
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"content": "She's done no such thing. \n\nShe's simply gotten into a worthless shouting match with one of the prospective Republican candidates. \n\nShe's doing nothing to advance this cause, but she is shitting on a candidate who has a perfect record on this issue. \n\nThat's what bothers me. ",
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"content": "She's not \"shitting on a candidate who has a perfect record on this issue\". \n\nThe linked article mentions Sanders exactly 0 times.\n\nShe has nothing to gain by attacking Sanders. He already lost.",
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"content": "She's mentioned Sanders herself. Please pay attention. She started a fight with Trump and then turned to Sanders and said, \"see my opponent doesn't care about women's health\". Certainly your memory lasts longer than a week. ",
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"content": "Then I'm sure you can find a source where she said he doesn't care about women's health.",
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"content": "No one ever claimed that. Stop with the strawman. \n\n",
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"content": "Are you trolling rn? YOU literally claimed that in your last comment. \n\n>She's mentioned Sanders herself. Please pay attention. She started a fight with Trump and then turned to Sanders and said, \"see my opponent doesn't care about women's health\". Certainly your memory lasts longer than a week. \n\nSurely your memory lasts longer than 19 minutes.",
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"content": "I misread. \n\nShe has stated that women's healthcare and women's rights are not priorities to Bernie Sanders. Yes, she's absolutely said that. ",
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"content": "Then give me the damn quote and a source to it.",
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"content": "[She's appalled!] (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/276707-clinton-appalled-at-bernie-sanders-on-abortion) ",
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"content": "She said she was appalled because he didn't want to discuss abortion- not that he doesn't care about women's health.",
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"content": "This is a valid point to bring up during the general election against the GOP bastards.\n\nI recently sent my Planned Parenthood fundraising letter back with a note telling them that if my money is being used to pick between two 100% PP supporters, they can do without my contribution.",
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"content": "Exactly. The fact that HRC has been trying to use this as an issue to attack Bernie is disgusting and it should even bother Clinton supporters. It's blatantly dishonest. ",
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"content": "BB DV'ed in less than 20 seconds, very good",
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"content": "The greatest trick the GOP ever pulled was teaching Democrats to hate Hillary.",
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"content": "Hillary taught democrats to hate Hillary.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI",
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"content": "It's laughable that you think this has anything to do with the GOP. Hillary Clinton is responsible for her own actions and her own image. ",
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"content": "Just like Obama right?",
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"content": "I personally like the president. I wouldn't vote for him again, but then I've already voted for him twice. I'd say his actions and image are far better than that of HRC. ",
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"content": "Really? He takes money from Wall Street, used PACs, started wars, drones civilians, has deported more people than Bush, and says we need to be pragmatic about compromise. \n\nSo, there seems to be a contradiction there.\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Fun fact: The Citizens United case involved funds being used to personally attack Hillary Clinton. Rush Limbaugh called her a \"feminazi\" because she said \"Women's rights are human rights\". They have been consistently attacking her since her husband's administration, and to say she is responsible for it is laughable.",
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"content": "Fun fact: I don't give a shit about any of that. I'm not a rightist and I don't listen to anything they say. And Citizens United was the best thing that's ever happened to the Clintons. \n\nI guran-goddamn-tee you that I'm twice the feminist that HRC could ever be. ",
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"content": ">I don't give a shit about any of that\n\nYou don't give a shit that it proves you wrong? You said the GOP have nothing to do with her, yet they are the ones who have been lying, smearing and attacking Hillary (until now, since Sanders does it too).\n\n>Citizens United was the best thing that's ever happened to the Clintons\n\nDo you even know what that is, or do you just think it's good because the name sounds like a good thing?\n\n>I'm twice the feminist that HRC ever could be\n\nOh boy, I'm ready to hear your \"equalism\" bullshit. No, you're not half the feminist she is. You're not even half the person she is. She resisted pressure from Bill, Democrats, Republicans, and the dictatorship of China to tone down her message because she believed it was the right thing to do. She was the first woman to have a real shot at the presidency, and she made it easier for every woman to come after her. She has withstood a massive and misguided hate campaign for approximately 25 years and kept going because she believed it was the right thing to do. The Clinton Foundation, which Sanders' fans love to trash, does great work promoting opportunities for women abroad. What do you do for feminism? Share ironic \"equalist\" image macros and post insipid statuses? Don't even presume you're anywhere near her level, let alone above it, because if you were half the feminist- or person- she is, you wouldn't have to say it, I would already know it.",
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"content": "What a stupid argument.\n\nA dog as president would be historic too. Doesn't make it a good thing.",
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"content": "So you didn't see anything historic about President Obama?",
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"content": "What does that have to do with this? \n\nThis is a perfect example of a strawman argument. OP didn't mention the president. ",
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"content": "It's pretty sad if that is all you see.",
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"content": "She'd be historically bad ",
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"content": "Thatcher was historic too. Still a shit leader with lousy policies. ",
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"content": "I think most people, including myself, would seriously question a kindergarteners ability to sexually identify as anything.",
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"content": "Don't you think that is moot in the over-all context of the situation because it's not your place to decide how others parent their children? The real issue here is that we have a societal responsibility to provide a safe space for our children to learn. In this situation we have parents who, like you, think that this is inappropriate behavior and poor parenting. Does that invalidate our societal responsibility to provide a safe place for this child to learn with regards to this particular child?",
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"content": "You're not wrong, but neither is OP and his point is valid. This gender identity stuff is getting out of hand.\n\nPeople always think the other side is capable of going too extreme but never consider that their own side is capable of the same thing.",
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"content": "Any idea that the \"gender identity stuff is getting out of hand\" just means one doesn't know what they're talking about. Y'all grow up not having to think about things like this, and then just assume it's not natural. A child's sense of self comes around age 3 - trans children are perfectly capable of knowing they're trans~",
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"content": "And even then, they're assisted by medical professionals who assess* their situations and guide them. \n\nToo many people assume that transgender children are \"just confused\" and their are \"just enabling them\". That's a completely uninformed position. ",
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"content": "What exactly is extreme about protecting people and children with [gender disphoria disorder?] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria) ",
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"content": "Adults should not be bullying children in this way. And I am all for people's rights to live the way they want.\n\nBut I feel like I'm going mad. I have always been a liberal person. Moreover, I grew up in one of the most conservative cities in the country (although I now live in Portland). But too often now I find I'm being told I'm not liberal enough which is absurd. The original comment in this thread makes a valid point and didn't dismiss the topic. But both he and I are being downvoted and for what? Are we not allowed to have this discussion?\n\nIt is certainly one thing to defend these gender issues, but I have seen it in some instances start to turn into forcing it. It is perfectly fine for people to want to be a different gender, but it is also perfectly fine for boys wanting to be boys and girls wanting to be girls. But what I'm starting to see is a forced agenda of doing away with gender period.\n\nSo downvote all you want, you're all proving my point. Hopefully someone will actually engage in a conversation and stop assuming this longtime liberal is a fascist pig.",
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"content": "You should really read about gender disphoria disorder. It isn't about what a person wants. \n\nA liberal person would recognize the necessity of remaining neutral on topics of which they are completely ignorant. \n\nThese issues are for the people living with this disorder and their doctors and medical professionals to decide upon. They have little or no real effect on the rest of us. \n\nIt's all smoke and mirrors and manufactured outrage from the right. ",
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"content": "You're not being down voted because of how you feel. You're being down voted because you are suggesting that we should govern ourselves according to your feelings.",
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"content": "Jesus Christ, what a pile of pretentious horse shit.\n\nI never, in any of these comments even insinuated that anyone has to think the same way I do. I simply stated my point of view.\n\nThank you, thank you for proving my point.",
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"content": "I guess what I'm saying is this: I don't give a shit about how you feel, so your comments don't contribute anything to the conversation. You're getting downvoted because no one gives a fuck about your personal feelings.",
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"content": "Exactly. Feelings are especially useless here because this deals with concrete medical science. ",
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"content": "That doesn't even make sense. ",
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"content": "That comment was meant for his comment, somehow got replied to yours.",
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"content": "No worries! ",
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"content": "Which is exactly what my point is.\n\nPeople only care about their own feelings and opinions and want to live an echo chamber which is a problem.\n\nSo again, thank you for proving my point.\n\n",
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"content": "Still doesn't make sense. ",
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"content": "I guess I don't see how your point is connected to anything. Could you explain why your point is relevant to this discussion?",
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"content": "I think the real tragedy here—very much evidenced in this comment chain—is that you refuse to note that rights are a balancing act: freedom to and freedom from. Restrictions on some do not always place them at the feet of tyranny and fascism. Do you earnestly believe that your fellow Americans, nearly half the country (GOP), who support similar norms are so evil that they just want to hurt children?\n\nThis uncompromising style of politics—refusing to show a grain of truth in the other side—will ruin the party. We need to bring in, not ostracize those we disagree with.",
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"content": "> I think the real tragedy here—very much evidenced in this comment chain—is that you refuse to note that rights are a balancing act: freedom to and freedom from.\n\nI've consistently maintained that people are free to believe and feel whatever the believe and feel. They also have the right to curate their lives however they see fit based on those beliefs and feelings. If you or someone else doesn't feel comfortable with gender fluidity, that's fine. You aren't forced to live that way. But what isn't fine is broadening that and feeling like we should curate public spaces.\n\n> Restrictions on some do not always place them at the feet of tyranny and fascism.\n\nAre you suggesting that restricting one specific group's access to public spaces and public services for the sake of the *comfort* of another group isn't inherently tyrannical?\n\n> Do you earnestly believe that your fellow Americans, nearly half the country (GOP), who support similar norms are so evil that they just want to hurt children?\n\nFirst, the GOP accounts for less than a third of our country as does the Democratic party. Second, I haven't said anyone is evil or that anyone wants to hurt children. Do I feel that these people are taking their actions too far by trying to curate a public space and dictate someone else's parenting? Yes. Do I feel that that ultimately hurts the child involved? Yes. Do I feel that the parents are missing an opportunity to teach their children own how to conduct themselves appropriately in our society? Yes.\n\n> This uncompromising style of politics—refusing to show a grain of truth in the other side—will ruin the party. We need to bring in, not ostracize those we disagree with.\n\nSo let's take a step back. Are you suggesting that these parents have the right to deny someone else access to and protection in a public space and public services that everyone is entitled to? Because that is the way your comments come across. What are you actually saying about this situation?",
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"content": "I've never articulated my opinions on the issue of the post; only that I think this method of debate is unproductive for democracy and that the parents are using their child for a political statement. \n\nI think the recent law in NC is unnecessary, but I understand those who feel uncomfortable. It isn't unbiased to think someone could manipulate new \"freedoms\". Ultimately you're asking people to change the norms surrounding a time they feel vulnerable—when they're using a toilet in public.\n\nJust don't be so self righteous and realize /you/ are asking people to change. You should not be belittling them for being hesitant.\n\n(Also, I realize registered GOP is less than half. However, if you ask independents to say who they lean towards or are likely to vote for, you get a much different percentage. You implied they were evil, or at least malicious, when you said they were \"ganging up on children\".)",
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"content": "People are allowed to feel uncomfortable. But the only person responsible for their emotions are them. I am not responsible for managing that emotion on their behalf. If that seems dismissive, then I really don't know what to say because it simply is what it is.\n\nI'm looking through my comments and can't find where I said anyone is ganging up on children. But if the shoe fits, why no wear it? Something doesn't have to be intentionally malicious to have negative consequences. What's the old colloquialism? Ah, yes, \"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.\"\n\n",
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"content": "Look at the title you placed on the post.\n\nEdit: Spelling",
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"content": "I didn't choose the title, I used the title of the article. And again, if the shoe fits why not wear it?\n\nAlso, can you explain to me why I should be responsible for managing another adult's emotions and feelings?",
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"content": "Isn't the utterly obvious foil to that \"why should I care if people feel uncomfortable in the restroom corresponding with their sex?\"",
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"content": "That's not the foil. That's the exact argument.\n\nSo, if you're so brilliant, why don't you show me where the middle ground is?",
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"content": "When I say \"middle ground\" in the minimum I just want some courtesy; like, \"you guys aren't totally idiots and I understand where you're coming from.\"\n\nMy real point here was just how ridiculous the title of the article was. It's not debate. It's not an accurate description of what's happening. It's a circle jerk of believed moral superiority. And the world is a complicated, grey place.\n\nI do appreciate the debate though! : )",
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"content": "OP's point is based on their personal opinion. It's not wrong in the sense that they are entitled to their own opinion. They can feel however they want, and that's no one else's responsibility.\n\nMy point is based on an objective societal obligation. Education is a fundamental necessity for successful Democracy and as a nation and society we have committed to providing everyone with at least a basic education.\n\nTo equate the two is to become the political extreme in that it suggests we should govern ourselves according to personal opinion rather than the obligations we communally accept.",
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"content": "I think the really story here is parents using their children to make a political statement.",
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"content": "Edit: as long as you understand which parents are doing that. Obviously you don't. \n\n\nThat's not what's happening at all. \n\nYou're confused about the situation because there are people in our government who mislead the public for the sake of political expediency. \n\n",
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"content": "No, they're sort of right here. Rather than using this situation to teach their children that you don't have to like someone or understand them but you do have to be respectful to them, we see parents using this situation to get outside conservative groups involved to defend their inability to parent. That's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.",
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"content": "When you put it that way, I completely agree. ",
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"content": "See, this is the point where you stopped trying to convince me you were even correct and instead tried to say my argument was immature/stupid and start finger wagging.\n\nIf you're not going to try and find middle ground or to empathize with those who believe differently from you, you'll accomplish very little.\n\nLazy liberalism.",
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"content": "So you disagree? On what basis?",
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"content": "So you'd argue that it's a good thing that adults are ganging up on a child with a legitimate medical condition? ",
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"content": "Turn away now man, I got downvote for agreeing with you and then again for making this exact same point.",
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"content": "It's a good thing that's not what's happening. See, what's happening is that some children (an extremely small number that is) are being diagnosed with [gender disphoria disorder] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria) because that's what their doctors see fit for them. \n\nThis isn't a situation where kids are waking up one morning and deciding they want to be a different gender. [These aren't just confused people.] (http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/02/01/study-transgender-kids-are-not-confused-about-their-gender-identitie) ",
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"content": "I'm not here to provide answers, only point out what I don't like! ; )\n\nLike I said I just don't think we need legislation at all. We're not going to police restrooms and by putting unnecessary restrictions like this we're only dividing people further for no reason.",
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"content": "Do yourself a favor, read the original VOX article first... Then the Rebuttal...\n\n>Beginning in the middle of the 20th century, the working class, once the core of the coalition, began abandoning the Democratic Party. In 1948, in the immediate wake of Franklin Roosevelt, 66 percent of manual laborers voted for Democrats, along with 60 percent of farmers. In 1964, it was 55 percent of working-class voters. By 1980, it was 35 percent.\n\nhttp://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism\n\n(Edit) Not directed at OP",
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"content": "I did read it. It's the bloviating rant of an idiot. What changed the Democratic party was its support of civil rights. Laborers (mostly white) left the party because of JFK, RFK and LBJ supporting civil rights for African Americans... guess where those racists went: the Republican party.\n\nSo, don't tell me about doing myself a favor... I've been involved in politics since before the author of this whiny, diatribe of stupid was wiping his own ass.\n\nAnd you, probably, as well.",
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"content": "Okay... Not particularly directed at you OP...\n\nJust seemed fair... If that's what you're interested in... To inform other readers what it is a rebuttal to...\n\nBeing a libertarian married into a family of liberals... The original VOX Opinion article resonates some real points that are worth at least being aware of...\n\nYou don't have to agree with it... And I am not going to try and convince you... But If everyone has access to both sides of the story, they can come to their own conclusions...",
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"content": "Fine... but the author of this article is factually wrong on many points. \n\nIt's such any overly wordy piece that it would take me a while to point out the errors of fact, judgment and interpretation, but I'm willing to do so if you need the clarification. ",
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"content": "Well, if it's just a regurgitation of the slate article, I'll pass...\n\nBut an unwillingness to \"agree to disagree\" is, at least by interpretation, a small verification of the smugness referred to...\n\nI live by the \"zero fucks given\" principle...\n\nI give a fuck what you think, I give a fuck what my liberal father in law, or conservative general contractors thinks...\n\nFiscal sanity outweighs social progressives to me... I read Reuters, Vox, and lots in between... At the Jobsite I switch from Right leaning talk directly to NPR and will cap it off with CBS/CNN/BBC... \n\nI watch Bill Maheur and Infowars...\n\nI mostly stay away from far left and far right... Except when dealing with SCOTUS dissents (Scalia/Ginsburg) , or researching a particular subject such as consumption taxes or prison reform...\n\nLong winded... Perhaps... Then don't read it... I am worried the Length of the VOX article will turn off millennials... They are... Broken...",
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"content": "> Fiscal sanity outweighs social progressives to me...\n\nYou're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think this article is in anyway about that point. You seem like you prefer to be informed and decide for yourself... which is fine and even admirable...\n\nHowever:\n\nHere's an author who actually makes the argument that *knowing* facts makes you an elitest (i.e. smug) asshole. His entire point is that if you *know* things, you obviously think you're better than everyone else. \n\nHe posits that the only reason people who *know* things *know* them is to ridicule those who don't. In other words, it is \"smug\" to ridicule idiots like Sarah Palin. We should accept her moronic ramblings as having an equal place at the table with actual \"facts\". This is the core of his position. If you ridicule people who don't \"know\" things (such as information or facts), you're a smug, elitist asshole and that's why poor whites don't like you (liberals: people who know shit) anymore. This is the temper tantrum of a conservative dimwit trying to drive a narrative that says \"it's okay if you're stupid... Conservatives and Jesus love you.\" \n\nIt would be nice if he could actually make the case that the so-called liberal elites (those smug fuckers) were actually *wrong* about anything (he doesn't). ",
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"content": "\n>It would be nice if he could actaully make the case that the so-called liberal elites (those smug fuckers) were actually wrong about anything (he doesn't). \n\nWell there's plenty of politifact findings to support his claim...\n\nI gather it's more that they often think they know more... Pretty much no matter who they are taking to... (The super delegate system is a pretty big testimateto this in my eyes)... And for someone to not agree is blasphemy against the liberal gods and their omnipotence...\n\nBut it's also much more difficult to find empirical evidence for/against social ideology...\n\nJust look at Europe... I personally couldn't imagine living with a state religion (I'm an athiest)... Yet there are mostly successful cultures... Saudi Arabia have extremely regressive ideologies on civil rights... Yet, they are for most purposes, successful...\n\nI believe there should be qualifiers on the right to vote based on a persons competence to be pursue equally-partisan (I don't believe in non-partisan) research... Most liberals would disagree...\n\nMorals are not Universal... Don't forget, most of the world thinks an athiest is wrong...",
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"content": "> Well there's plenty of politifact findings to support his claim...\n\nCite which ones and we can argue the points. I don't see one contention in his article that is *factually* correct... while it maybe *subjectively* preferable to someone of your view.\n\n> I gather it's more that they often think they know more... Pretty much no matter who they are taking to... (The super delegate system is a pretty big testimateto this in my eyes)\n\nThere are two different issues here... first: Do \"liberals\" think they know more than the person they are speaking with? Not automatically, nor dogmatically. We are just as capable of seeing issues as a matter of subjective difference. However, while you're entitled to your own opinion - as the saying goes - you're not entitled to your own facts. In my experience, the more knowledgeable the person, the more likely they are to deal in *facts*, not opinions.\n\nThe second issue is super delegates... if you look at the GOP primary, you will see the same issue manifesting itself... it's not the will of the Republican primary voters that matters, but the will of the party... so I think your point is moot.\n\n\n> Saudi Arabia have extremely regressive ideologies on civil rights... Yet, they are for most purposes, successful...\n\nI am an atheist as well and I disagree that Saudi Arabia is a success... the royal family there is clinging to life, terrified of rebellion and doing everything possible to placate the populace... a problem that has become seriously magnified by the precipitous drop in oil prices.\n\n> Morals are not Universal... Don't forget, most of the world thinks an athiest is wrong...\n\nOn this, we completely agree.\n\n",
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"content": "First person to come to mind...\n\nhttp://www.politifact.com/personalities/jon-stewart/",
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"content": "http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bill-maher/statements/",
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"content": "Seriously? This is the same bullshit that Republicans play all the time... Stewart is a fucking comedian... jokes don't have to be factually accurate.\n\nWhen was the last time someone did a fact check on Chris Rock? Louis C.K.? \n\nJust because he had a bigger audience and (mostly) younger people got informed by his show, he isn't/wasn't and SHOULD NOT BE held to the same standard as CNN, MSNBC, Fox News (though I am sure he was more factual than Fox News), the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal.\n\nThat is like fact checking 'Weekend Update' on SNL. \n\nYou can do better than that.",
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"content": "And I think Super delegates is an issue different than the GOP scandal...\n\nWhen the Democrat party started the super delegate system it was in response to losing 49 states in the general election to (Nixon?)\n\nThe DNC knew (Goldwater?) didn't Stand a chance, but they let the voters choose the nomination... With that heavy loss, they decided they needed an elitist boost of 15% percent... This pretty much screams (we know better)...\n\nThe RNC is different but equally (if not moreso) horrible... They are more saying, \"We know you all thought your vote mattered; but keep in mind we are a private organization and can pick whoever we want\"\n\nAnd I still don't think they'll dis-enfranchize the voters... I think they'll roll over to the voter base and Burn...",
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"content": "> When the Democrat party started the super delegate system it was in response to losing 49 states in the general election to (Nixon?)\n\nActually, it was a response to the primary battle that weakened McGovern in '72 and Carter in '76. It was to help make sure that the eventual nominee of the party was stronger because of the number of delegate (including supers) that the nominee entered the convention with. \n\nThe '64 election (Goldwater) had nothing to do with it.. LBJ was going to win that election even if he was caught fucking Marilyn Monroe's corpse at the Vatican.\n\n> They are more saying, \"We know you all thought your vote mattered; but keep in mind we are a private organization and can pick whoever we want\"\n\nThis is true of **both** parties. Until we vacate that system, they get their way.\n",
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"content": "Yep, got my elections crossed... My bad...\n\nAnd there are no shortage of bad media from either side... But the John Stewart's play a big role to the smugness being referred to...",
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"content": "> Yep, got my elections crossed... My bad...\n\nNo worries.\n\n> John Stewart's play a big role to the smugness being referred to...\n\nThis, however, is a big, fucking cognitive problem.\n\n\"The Daily Show\" was a *comedy* program on **COMEDY CENTRAL** ... He has ZERO reason to be factual about anything.... The major rule of comedy is that it has a nugget of plausibility. *That's all*. That's not smugness, it is humor.\n\nI am very sorry that the author and folks like you don't understand humor and satire. No one fact checked Johnny Carson... no one bitched and moaned that George Carlin wasn't accurate.\n\nIt's not smugness... it's the thin skinned, humorless right that just doesn't get the fact that they **are** the joke.\n\n\n",
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"content": "http://www.politifact.com/personalities/al-sharpton/\n\nFrom what I've seen/heard in his interviews... He is rather intolerant of anyone with a different viewpoint...\n\nI dunno who else you want me to look up... (I'm trying to stay away from any current candidates)\n\nBut generally the loudest are the most \"smug\" and checked...\n\nThere's no fact check for the demographic in general... And this is where I find, if admittedly only anecdotal evidence, to a smug intolerance from the left...\n\nAnd as before stated the real problem is on social issues with no real empirical evidence to what is Truly \"progressive\"",
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"content": "Not a big Sharpton fan at all... but ok. I'll buy that he's a bomb thrower with little reliability. There are 5 claims... \n\n1 true\n\n1 half true\n\n2 mostly false\n\n1 false\n\n-----\n\nLet's compare him to Bill O'Reilly.. someone with 10000 times the audience:\n\n2 true\n\n5 mostly true\n\n3 half true\n\n4 mostly false\n\n6 false\n\n1 pants on fire\n\nDo you REALLY want to play this game?\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Yeah, but I'm not Republican... and Fox News is a Joke...",
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"content": "I wasn't accusing you... only making a point.",
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"content": "\n>It's not smugness... it's the thin skinned, humorless right that just doesn't get the fact that they **are** the joke.\n\nPerhaps try John Carlson, or Lars Larson... (570AM KVI)They're funny... \n\nThe only difference is you can actually bring your point forth to then... Can't put a rebuttal to John Oliver...\n\nOr \"Left,Right,center\" on podcast... Good stuff...",
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"content": "> \"Left,Right,center\"\n\nI happen to like that show... but I listened on actual radio.\n\n> Lars Larson\n\nNo thanks... he's doesn't just disagree... he's disagreeable. ",
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"content": "Perhaps instead of Saudi Arabia, think about little Saudi, the great State of Texas...\n\nPays more in federal taxes than it recieves...\n They are #1 in Wind energy in the U.S.... #5? In the world? \nHuge tech and research hub...\n\nHates planned parenthood... Loves Jesus... Hates Ilegals... Shit just look at Cruz... Like it or not that came from the Bowels of a successful state... That probably doesn't see eye to eye with John Oliver or Bernie Sanders...\n\nYou can claim the truth... You're 30 times more likely to shoot a loved one than an enemy... But laughing at them because they find the risk worth it... (Or perhaps a gun culture is known to have greater respect and knowledge for the handling of the weapon, I dunno) \n\nThis is the type of smug intolerance that I see from the left...\n\nMy view, state the statistics tell them bullets... And let them shoot or protect themselves... ",
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"content": "> Pays more in federal taxes than it recieves...\n\nSo do many states... but most states that *get* more than they *give* are RED STATES. I live in California... we give a fuckton more than Texas and get a fuckton less. \n\nYour top ten in dependence on FEDERAL MONEY:\n\n\nMississippi - red as fuck\n\nLouisiana - ditto\n\nTennessee - mostly red\t\n\nSouth Dakota - uber red\n\nMissouri - redish purple\n\nMontana - RED\n\nGeorgia - red \n\nNew Mexico - kinda red puple\n\nAlabama - RED AS FUCK\n\nMaine - purplish\n\n\nNot one fucking blue state... [Source](https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/)\n\nSo don't give me this shit about Republican states being LESS dependent on the FEDS.\n\n",
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"content": "Okay, but the point is a socially conservative state can be a very productive structure... There are no moral standards inhibiting this...\n\nTherefore how are they any less progressive?\n\nAnd yes, Lincoln didn't exactly do us a favor forcing those states to remain in the union...\n\nNext time you see a Redneck with a confederate flag yell, \"the south shall rise again!\"\n\nMaybe, \"I fucking hope so, get off my wallet!\"?",
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"content": "> a socially conservative state can be a very productive structure...\n\nBy what measure? Look at Kansas... it's falling apart because Brownback believed in trickle down economics... same with Jindal in Louisiana. \n\n",
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"content": "Well according to your own source, \n\nKansas, Illinois, and Alaska fair honorable mentions...\n\nYou've New Jersey and Nevada with a Republican governor...Although Nevadas governor is pretty moderate... And New Jersey is about to lose a large chunk of their budget from 1 person moving...\n\nBut sure... look at kansas... less reliant on federal funds than California....\n\nI'm curious if these wallethub numbers include ACA subsidies...\n\nWith the exception of New York, your looking at postage stamp blue states in the top 10 least reliant...\n\nNow, I'm not arguing that red states fair better... I'd be perfectly happy to let a lot of them leave the union... And out law gay marriage if they wish...\n\nBut just because they like their guns and hate their gays... Doesn't mean they don't have as much potential as California... ",
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"content": "She's pretty dishonest. She'll say something then flip, and has been involved in a ridiculous amount of scandals.",
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"content": "Why did she have a private server?\n\nI think it was to evade the Freedom of Info Act.\n\nWhy did she wipe it before turning it over?\n\nWhat did she say in her speeches?\n\nAt her white-noised fundraiser?\n\nWhy did she flip on bankruptcy law?\n\nWhy not disclose her daughter is on the board of the Daily Beast?\n\nWhy say Vermont is responsible for NY gun crime?\n\nWhy claim Sanders owes an apology to Sandy Hook families?\n\nBecause.\n\nShe is dishonest to her duplicitous core, that's why.\n\nDon't add more false sanctimony to the pile of reasons pulling people to oppose her no matter what.",
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"content": "You should go post these comments in /r/hillaryclinton. They will not ban you like /r/slandersforpresident.",
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"content": "That's a load of crap. That sub bans anyone who disagrees with HRC. I'd be surprised if I'm not already banned and I've never even commented there. ",
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"content": "[Just think, when this happens the same will be true here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFNbTdLfBwQ)",
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"content": "Then this sub will become even more irrelevant. There's already an HRC sub. ",
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"content": "It's called propaganda and it's been active against Hillary Clinton for 20 some years now. The propaganda technique of the \"big lie\" is it's basis. It becomes much easier to work the big lie technique in the Internet age. Word spreads so fast. ",
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"content": "Josef Goebbels perfected for the Nazis.",
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"content": "If Clinton would release the transcripts of her speeches and fundraisers, she could do a lot to undermine that narrative.\n\nNot much she can do about taking millions from energy lobbyists, or lobbying for weapons sales to donors to the Clinton Initiative. Those are facts.\n\nMaybe she could better explain her reasoning for her Iraq vote. My mom supports Clinton and even *she* thinks Clinton did it \"to look tough\" - as opposed to actually thinking it was a good idea. In other words, Clinton was not just wrong - but she was dishonest about her justification for a war vote... and that's from a Clinton supporter (I'm working on her... she'll come around).\n\n\nThe big lie is a fine defense... if the anti-Clinton narrative were based on B.S. like claims she was involved in deaths or other zany right-wing slime.",
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"content": "Phony made-up standards like long-form birth certificates and college transcripts. \n\nMcCarthy tactics like the righties used against Obama. \n\nShe should tell those critics to suck it. ",
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"content": "You're totally OK with her giving a half-million dollars of speeches to Goldman Sachs without having any idea what she said?\n\nWould you be OK with it if she were (R) instead of (D)?\n\nYou're OK with her setting up an email server even though the law is clear?\n\nYou're OK with calling the TPP the gold standard of trade agreements, and then coming out against it just in time for the first primaries? Do you feel that you have an accurate idea of where she stands on that issue?\n\nYou're OK with her hemming and hawing on the Keystone XL pipeline for months and months before coming out against it just in time for primaries?\n\nYou're OK with her claiming that Sanders would leave health care up to Republican Governors, when in fact his plan calls for a federally administered plan, as is Medicare? That was a straight-up lie, Vega. Not a fudge, not a senior moment - a calculated lie to add fear, uncertainty and doubt to a plan that **SHOULD** be a cornerstone of a party that purports to be for the common people.\n\nClinton's a liar. Worse than most. Better than Trump, which is damnation by faint praise and her saving grace.",
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"content": "[By the way, what happened with the part of that pipeline that was completed?] (http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/04/news/keystone-pipeline-oil-spill-south-dakota/) ",
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"content": "There was no law saying it could not be done. \n\nIt was a reg. And no, I don't care.\n\nIt's a made up standard. Just like the righties demanding to see Obama's college transcripts. \n\nHow many past Presidential candidates have given private speeches and released transcripts?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "> And no, I don't care.\n\nThe end.",
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"content": "Bring it. List it.\n\nI am indignant. And it is righteous.\n\nIf Clinton were a more principled person, she might have my vociferous support.\n\nThe Clinton team hopes that the principled will support the unprincipled over the even-less-principled.\n\nMaybe that'll work. Don't expect a bouquet of roses.",
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"content": "Paper that donates to Hillary Clinton's campaign and endorsed says she's not dishonest, I'm shocked. I don't think she's hitler and worse than Trump or Cruz but I'm convinced Michael Confoy is paid by the campaign. I worked there I know they paid online commenters back in 08 to post things like this over and over I don't know if they still do.",
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"content": "Koch PROPAGANDA. ",
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"content": "Interesting. \n\nHow are people supposed to compromise when no one will listen to them? \n\nIs he suggesting that Bill Clinton's denigrating lecture is an example of a compromise? \n\nShould those of us who are concerned with the direction that our country is moving and the destruction of our communities just \"shut up and take our Clinton medicine\"? \n\n",
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"content": "Well, those are questions Mr. President should have thought of before giving his fatherly concerns.",
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"content": "The DNC's war on progressives is in full swing. ",
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"content": "I wonder what their end game is? Do they actually *want* us to vote for a spoiler? I guess that their donors will do fine with a Republican president. They'd probably sink the party to keep a real progressive out of office. ",
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"content": "Now Obama is the enemy, too?",
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"content": "Who said that? ",
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"content": "Who are you referring to then?\n\nBecause the OP is about Obama. ",
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"content": "The President isn't the enemy. He's just being a jackass here. ",
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"content": "Oh but the Clintons are the enemy. \n\nThat's called hypocrisy. ",
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"content": "How so? ",
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"content": "Because they support the same policies.\n\nWith Obama it's no big deal, but with the Clintons you treat them like the enemy. ",
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"content": "But they don't necessarily. That's a mischaracterization. \n\n",
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"content": "Nope.\n\nShe was even in his admin.\n\nObama opened lands for fracking and oil drilling. Did not prosecute Wall St bankers. Started more wars.\n\nYou only don't consider him an enemy because he's not running. ",
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"content": "That's what it looks like. They've been quick to vilify most real progressive stances as either naive or \"evil socialism\".",
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"content": "BLM doesn't represent progressives. \n\nGet a grip. ",
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"content": "Slick Willie tells it like it is.",
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"content": "Thank God for elected officials who can speak with some common sense. We need to start sitting down and explaining our viewpoints; we have the public's eye, now let's show off. ",
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"content": "It's the truth that Americans living in poverty are probably the most disaffected group of voters in the country. That's no secret. \n\nWhy mischaracterize the man's words? Is it possible that your only hope is to lie, cheat, and steal? What does that say about your position? ",
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"content": "TIL that a direct quote is a mischaracterization deserving of a DV. Too bad the lower the income, the more likely they voted for Clinton. So he is wrong on this one too. #feeltheberningwrong",
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"content": "http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/ny/dem\n\n",
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"content": "Funny you'd provide statistics from a state primary that's currently under investigation for electoral fraud. Nice try, Mike. ",
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"content": "True in every state that has had exit polls. That was just handy as last primary. Why Bernie not like poor people?",
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"content": "Bernie's first priority is Americans living in poverty. \n\nYou just said that you're not mischaracterizing his words and then you make that stupid remark. Embarrassing. ",
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"content": "Well he sure knows how to convince them. ",
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"content": "Investigation doesn't equal guilt.\n\nUnless you live in Cuba. \n\nYou lost. Deal with it. ",
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"content": "Lost what? What did I lose? \n\nIf you're referring to the primaries, they're still on. \n\nIf you're referring to the current state of our nation then you're not wrong, but then you should say that we've all lost, and we're all going to continue to lose. ",
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"content": "The primaries battle is over. \n\nYou lost. ",
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"content": "Nope. There are still 1,400 delegates to split and your candidate has an amazing penchant for shooting herself in the foot. Which is dangerous seeing as how that foot is almost always in her mouth. We're not done with y'all yet. You don't get to call the shots. ",
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"content": "The voters call the shots.\n\nIt's over. You've been wrong again and again. \n\nIt's good to support your candidate but not good to be in a state of denial. \n\nShooting herself in the foot?\n\nShe's doing better than Obama did in 2008. \n\nIf she is screwing up, then that means Sanders is a disaster. \n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": ">The voters call the shots.\n\n>It's over. You've been wrong again and again. \n\nOne of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong... ",
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"content": "No its pretty consistent. \n\nThe voters are voting for Clinton. \n\nEven if those 100k all voted for Bernie he would have lost. \n\nMD and PA will be worse. \n\nIt's over. \n\n",
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"content": "I don't like your dismissal of the voters who have not yet voted. ",
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"content": "I'm not dismissing them. \n\nClinton will win the majority that is left too. ",
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"content": "So you' must understand the contradiction in terms. \n\nWhen you say \"It's over\", you're preceding the idea of there ever being a \"will\". ",
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"content": "So how much did Correct The Record pay you to make this comment?",
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"content": "Nothing. Is that the new narrative as to why your campaign is failing? \n\n",
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"content": "And Delaware.",
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"content": "Who to say he would winning if all poor people voted?\n\nHe is making excuses. Like you are with electoral fraud explaining the massive loss you said he would win. ",
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"content": "That's rich. There was electoral fraud, and you call it an excuse. You call yourself a Democrat? ",
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"content": "There MAY have been some screw-ups.\n\nBut ain't why you lost. \n\nI told you that you would lose and you didn't believe me. ",
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"content": "She's not wrong. \n\nBullying is bad. \n\nHRC treated Monica Lewinsky like garbage when it was her husband who betrayed her. ~~She called all of the other women that Bill slept with \"sluts who no one would ever believe\".~~ She sided with her husband and slut shamed his mistresses. \n\nDoes that sound like a feminist to you?\n\n http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/90s-scandals-threaten-to-erode-hillary-clintons-strength-with-women.html\n\nhttp://sixseeds.patheos.com/frenchrevolution/2016/01/22/feminists-dont-know-what-to-do-with-hillarys-slut-shaming-of-bills-victims-heres-help/\n\nhttp://www.frontpagemag.com/point/234515/former-12-year-old-rape-victim-hillary-clinton-daniel-greenfield\n",
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"content": "Bringing up Lewinsky is so low I am not sure it can get any lower. I am sure Slanders already has a statement out disowning it. Still looking, still looking.",
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"content": "I hope he doesn't. \n\nRosario has a good point here. And Lewinsky is a prime example of the manner in which the Clintons treat people. \n\nI'm questioning HRC's feminist credentials. She attacked the other women when she should have been holding her husband accountable for his own actions. Those women didn't exchange vows with her, her husband did. ",
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"content": "I'm sorry, I missed the part where Bill Clinton sexually assaulted her and why she brings this up as if his wife is responsible for what two consenting adults did.",
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"content": "Strawman, Mike. \n\nClinton used her sexually and stepped back while the whole country, including his wife attacked and bullied her into obscurity. \n\nClinton sexually assaulted some of the other women. It doesn't really matter, because according to HRC ~~\"they're all sluts who no one will believe\".~~ She sided with her husband and slut shamed his mistresses. \n\nThis is a woman who claims to be a feminist. She's anything but. ",
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"content": "\"The Bernie supporters are intimidated by a graphic that says 'Love & Kindness' or #ImWithHer?\"\n\n\"You could ask the Sanders campaign why they encourage this vitriol in the vicinity of their candidate by staying silent.\"",
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"content": "Funny, those aren't the memes you post Mike. \n\nThis isn't vitriol. This is the truth. Hillary Clinton was at least partly responsible for the bullying her husband's \"mistresses\" endured. \n\nNow she's paying people minimum wage to bully Bernie supporters online. Which at $7.35 an hour is a steal for her. ",
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"content": "Either they encourage it, making them devious, or they just can't control the crazy things their surrogates say, making them incompetent. \n\nTwo outcomes you don't want in a future president or his senior advisors.",
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"content": ">\"they're all sluts who no one will believe\"\n\nDo you have a decent source for that quote?",
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"content": "There's a lot of interesting information out there for those who get off their asses and Google it. ",
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"content": "I did. I saw the National Review (not a decent source) citing \"reports.\" Nothing else. So I asked if you had one. Do you? ",
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"content": "I haven't found one for that specific quote yet, but there are plenty of other, more reliable sources on equally bad comments and behavior. \n\nEdit: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/90s-scandals-threaten-to-erode-hillary-clintons-strength-with-women.html\n\nhttp://sixseeds.patheos.com/frenchrevolution/2016/01/22/feminists-dont-know-what-to-do-with-hillarys-slut-shaming-of-bills-victims-heres-help/\n\nhttp://www.frontpagemag.com/point/234515/former-12-year-old-rape-victim-hillary-clinton-daniel-greenfield\n",
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"content": "Maybe you shouldn't be quoting her on something you don't have any evidence she said though. ",
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"content": "http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/us/politics/90s-scandals-threaten-to-erode-hillary-clintons-strength-with-women.html\n\nhttp://sixseeds.patheos.com/frenchrevolution/2016/01/22/feminists-dont-know-what-to-do-with-hillarys-slut-shaming-of-bills-victims-heres-help/\n\nhttp://www.frontpagemag.com/point/234515/former-12-year-old-rape-victim-hillary-clinton-daniel-greenfield\n\nI'll keep looking for that exact quote, but there's definitely evidence of HRC slut shaming her husband's mistresses and no evidence of her holding *him* personally accountable. ",
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"content": "Sure, she sided with Bill over the women. Maybe it would be good if you removed the quote you have no evidence for though. ",
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"content": "Happy? ",
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"content": "Yeah. Is it so much to ask that you don't use baseless quotes?",
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"content": "It's not baseless. I just can't remember where I read it. She's said and done some nasty things to those women. She and her husband are definitely bullies and Bill is a sexual predator. ",
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"content": "When the only basis you have is that you remember reading it somewhere even though it doesn't exist online, it's usually a good indication that it's baseless. Either way, if you just remember reading it somewhere, at best you were paraphrasing. That's not how quotation marks work.",
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"content": "He does this all the time. But then so do all the Bernie Bros. They learned it from Bernie Slanders.",
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"content": "Yeah, I've seen a lot of it. But I don't like the Bernie Bro stuff either. It doesn't help when people try to call Bernie supporters out for the unnecessary attacks. At some point you're going to want these people's votes.",
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"content": "From what I can see, a high percentage of the attackers didn't actually vote. The turnout doesn't support the noise. We also know that many in this subedit are actually Republican SuperPACers as they are not even based in the US and one is actually based in Russia. Most likely the anti-Clinton stuff will be shut down on Wednesday anyway when it becomes statistically impossible for her not to go over the number of delegates on June 7.",
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"content": "It's not baseless because she has said and done similar things to those women and those are documented. Not baseless, but maybe a bit misguided. ",
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"content": "You don't have a source for that specific quote but don't have a problem using it do you? Lovely manners dear.",
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"content": "I struck it out, sweetheart. ",
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"content": "As I knew you would. I wish I could say I expected better of you but I would be sadly disappointed if I had.\n\nIt is possible to be supportive of a candidate without behaving badly or being rude.",
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"content": "What? You just step into this conversation. I struck it out before you got involved. ",
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"content": "Even after acknowledging he had no source for it, I literally had to ask him to take it out.",
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"content": "Well, what can you expect?",
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"content": "This is disgraceful and shows the desperation of Bernie supporters. \n\nUsing rightie attack lines. \n\nWell I guess Clinton supporters should just start Bernie a commie.\n\nAfter all, he did praise Cuba and Ortega.\n\nLosers losing like rats instead of having dignity. ",
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"content": "\"Start\". \n\nYou guys have already been through all of that shit. \n\nHell, Mike was trying to say he had an illegitimate child. \n\nDon't pretend to be above slander and mud slinging. You've been at it since last year. \n\n",
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"content": "I don't recall Clinton surrogates doing that. If we're comparing the vitriol of the respective online supporters, I think you guys win. But who really cares what online supporters say as far as the actual election goes?\n\nClinton surrogates have said dumb stuff though. So have Sanders surrogates. We don't need to defend everyone who says something dumb.",
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"content": "Pfffft. That's rich. But then, you're new here... \n\nHmm... \n\nNew here.... \n\nHmm... ",
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"content": "Ugh. I'm not shocked that you're that type of Bernie supporter. I had a conversation with you on this subreddit a few months ago. And I've been on Reddit for about 5 years. Can we not play this idiotic game? ",
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"content": "That type? Which is that? ",
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"content": "The type that resorts to implying/calling people shills when you disagree with them.",
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"content": "Well then, you're not going to like that I'm calling bullshit on your claim that we spoke months ago. ",
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"content": ">Well then, you're not going to like that I'm calling bullshit on your claim that we spoke months ago.\n\nSaying something I have evidence for - what a strange concept. \n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/democrats/comments/4a2loe/bill_maher_clinton_and_sanders_fans_attacks_on/d0xce7z",
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"content": "Well, then good for you. ",
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"content": "The paranoia escalates. ",
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"content": "Last year Bernie wasn't even a Dem. \n\nAnd I thought Bernie was supposed to have higher standards.\n\nNow you use the \"you guys do it too\" excuse. \n\nIt's pathetic. Thank goodness this primary is over. ",
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"content": "It's okay. He won't be a Democrat next year, either.",
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"content": "And neither will his supporters. \n\n",
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"content": "Well, honestly almost no one will be a Democrat next year. 29% of the American public identify as Democrats, 26% as Republicans. 43% of Americans identify as independent. Why do you think that is? You're certainly not doing anything to include voters. ",
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"content": "Yes, its always someone else's fault. \n\nThe Big Banks made me do it. ",
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"content": "What the hell is that supposed to mean. Your arguments aren't even making sense anymore. \n\nThe DNC has shat on literally every demographic in the American population and we're just supposed to keep coming back? \n\nI've been a Dem for the last twelve years. This may be my last. \n\nOf course I'll still vote in Democratic primaries, because why not. But I'm not cool with the way this party uses and dismisses people. \n\nDon't kid yourself. 43% of the electorate is no joke. Say that's split down the middle. That means that there is a population of 21.5% of the electorate who leans left but has been disenfranchised by the Democratic Party. How long do you think it'll be before we over take what is as of now 29%? Consider thatof that 29% there is roughly half that do not agree with the status quo. If you end up winning the nomination enjoy it, because it will be the last thing you win on a national platform for a long time. You've shattered your base and you've ostracized young people. Prepare for Nixon. Prepare for Reagan. This party is doomed and the people who doomed it have far less at stake than those of us fighting.\n\nHave a nice night Vega. I'm done with this conversation. Ciao. ",
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"content": "Oh, but independents have such marvelous judgment, and they're such patient people. Great team players, too!\n\nExcept when they dump this guy on our front lawn and demand we give him the keys to the house just because it's easier than him building his own. Or when they never bother to learn the party registration facts of their state, and pout loudly that they don't get to vote in the primary of a party they don't even belong to.",
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"content": "So you're saying that the Democratic party is doing just fine with 29% of voters? ",
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"content": "Your statistic isn't saying what you seem to think it's saying. Just because only 29% of Americans are registered Democrats or self-identified Democrats doesn't mean that only 29% of voters will vote for the Democrats in November. Independents have been the largest bloc of voters for quite some time now, and every major election is decided by that creamy middle of voters. Ultimately, there's a huge distinction between registering as a member of a party and voting for it every few years. So no, I don't see that 29% figure as bad news, or a sign that the DNC needs Bernie.",
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"content": "Actually it is. Because we have closed primaries which exclude and disenfranchise voters who would otherwise get involved. This party is following suit after the GOP and working with a disaffected electorate rather than trying to engage and motivate voters. Remember that 37% of the electorate turned out to vote in 2014. This year the DNC has said, \"we're fine with that, we just want to be the majority of that 37%\". I've been voting for this party for twelve years. What a mistake. ",
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"content": "Disenfranchisement is a legal term that refers to removing or obstructing a citizen's right to vote in constitutionally-sanctioned elections. Party primaries are not a government function, and no American has a legal \"right\" to participate in one. The parties can set whatever rules they want. Barring non-members from party primaries is not disenfranchisement, nor is it illegal. Complain and pout all you want, but don't confuse political parties with the government, and don't act like your civil rights are being violated whenever you don't get your way.\n\nMaybe if you're done being a Democrat, you can use your spare time to learn a thing or two about election law, statistics, and psephology in the United States. Your righteous indignation would be a lot more formidable if you had a more firm grip on the facts.",
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"content": "So what do you call it when a party excludes willing participants? \"Cool beans?\" \n\nDo we need a special word for everything or can the spirit of a term carry over to describe other situations. \n\nEither way, this party has disaffected voters, and it's mobilized other voters against it. \n\nPersonally, I'm still betting on Bernie, but in the off chance that HRC gets the nom, I'll be voting for Jill Stein. \n\nI know, I know. You're going to say that I'm just handing the oval office over to the GOP. That old chestnut. \n\nBut Missouri is already going to vote red. And honestly, I don't give a shit. This cycle has been the most offensive political situation I've seen. I'm disgusted with the current state of the Democratic Party. There's very little there to differentiate them from the GOP. Very little at all in fact. \n\nThey're both corrupt to the core. They both support corporatist agendas. Hell, HRC has even said that she supports twenty week bans on abortion as long as there are exemptions for the life of the woman and rape. LGBT marriage was finally allowed under a conservative court. As far as I can tell, the DNC doesn't have shit to offer. \n\nYou're welcome to disagree with any of the points I've made here. But don't insult my intelligence or my candidate. \n\nThe DNC have* done this to themselves. If you want it to be less than 29% then keep talking the way you are. You're not helping at all. ",
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"content": "I call it \"The rules of the Party.\" Take it or leave it. You can either join the party and change the rules, or you can sit on the sidelines and keep whining. Up to you.\n\nNo, we don't need a special term. Most smart people already know the difference between legal disenfranchisement and the internal voting rules of a private organization. You don't get to just \"carry over\" legal terms to cover unrelated concepts. You can say the murder of a person is a homicide, but you can't call it homicide when your neighbor runs over a squirrel. It just makes people think you don't know what that word means.\n\nIf you don't like the Democratic Party, fine. Plenty of Americans don't. We've been winning elections without people like you for a long time, and we're a lock to win this one with Hillary leading the ticket. But do us all a favor: When you stomp off and leave the party because your guy didn't win and your own version of right-and-wrong isn't the same as reality...stay on that side of the door. Don't come back in four years and nag us to change who we are just to win your vote. We can do without the votes of people who call us corrupt. But there's yet another legal term you're abusing. Legal corruption and moral corruption are not the same thing, though the failure to distinguish between the two is frankly a telltale sign of a Bernie Sanders supporter.\n\nEnjoy life as a protest voter. Your vote will never again matter, but at least you'll be able to keep your own views 100% pure and apart from the yuckiness and gray areas of American politics.",
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"content": "It's pretty fucked up that you would be so gleeful about the Democratic Party losing people.",
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"content": "Bernie Sanders has been caucusing with the Democratic Party since 1991. He's voted in agreement with the party 98% of the time. \n\nIf you want to argue that he's not a Democrat, then what you're trying to say is that the party is only a label and that it has no core principles or values. So is that what you're saying? ",
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"content": "Uh, no. \n\nHe's not a Democrat or Liberal.\n\nWho else is he going to caucus with? \n\nHe's a dem socialist or social dem.\n\nThe party is not just a label. Bernie opposes a lot of things that liberals support. \n\n",
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"content": "Like what? ",
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"content": "Like free markets. Like the stock exchange itself. ",
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"content": "Guns, guns, guns. ",
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"content": "\"Free markets.\"\n\nBernie doesn't oppose the free market. But I do. ",
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"content": "Message noted, I will send my concerns elsewhere.",
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"content": "Ms. Dawson will be shocked that people will find her responsible for dragging a woman who made an error in judgment in her early 20's twenty years ago. But she will be pilloried again until Tuesday. It will be Ms. Dawson's fault and she will be shocked. She has finally gone too far and frankly I don't know if Ms. Dawson will ever understand that she is at fault for the damage this time.",
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"content": "Could you clarify something for me, please? Not trying to be snarky but the use of pronouns left me a little confused. You wrote:\n\n>But **she** will be pilloried again until Tuesday. It will be Ms. Dawson's fault and **she** will be shocked. \n\nDoes the first **she** refer to Lewinsky and the second **she** refer to Dawson? Thanks.",
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"content": "I thought in the interest of kindness, I'd omit the name of the young lady who made an error 20 years ago. A couple of decades should be the statute of limitations on behavior that while, not the best, was legal in most states.\n\nMs. Dawson on the other hand, certainly is old enough at 36, to know better. Ms. Dawson has behaved badly.",
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"content": "You may be interested in reading this article, published recently in *The Guardian*. Lewinsky is really a remarkable woman. Described as \"once among the 20th century’s most humiliated people\" she refused that label and has become \"a respected and perceptive anti-bullying advocate.\"\n\nIt is within that context; the role of the bullied and the bullying, that Dawson drew Lewinsky. Although you see it as a shameful reminder of a mistake that was made years ago; I can only see what Dawson said: \"Now I'm with Monica Lewinsky with this: bullying is bad.\"\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/16/monica-lewinsky-shame-sticks-like-tar-jon-ronson",
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"content": "You are entitled to your opinion, however misguided.\n\n",
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"content": "So you don't see it as wrong that someone in a position of authority would take advantage of that position to force a sexual relationship with someone **much, much** younger?\n\n\nPersonally I think it's sick that someone would try to take advantage of a vulnerable child.",
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"content": "I know.... facts are BAD AND LOW FOR THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN!!! How disgusting to bring up the past!!!!!! Wow! This is a bigger scandal than sticking a cigar up an interns snooch. ",
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"content": "Did you do this? https://twitter.com/EricaSmegs/status/723636568762757121",
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"content": "Oh, we all know now just how low you can get.",
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"content": "Remember when the Clinton staffer said this?\n\n>“We kicked his ass tonight,” he told Thrush. “I hope this convinces Bernie to tone it down. If not, fuck him.”\n\n**That** was bullying. Lewinsky is an activist working to prevent exactly such things. Dawson referred to bullying. If other people can't see the logical progression of Dawson's statements they have their eyes closed.",
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"content": "That was bullying? No, that was a fact. This is bullying: https://twitter.com/EricaSmegs/status/723636568762757121",
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"content": "No thanks, I'm not going to bite. And yes, anytime a hired staffer calls to \"tone it down\" or else \"fuck him\", that's bullying. And they include Jane too. Comments so bad that even other Clinton supporters have to tell them to stop.\n\n>**Ironically “Jane Sanders” is Attacked by Sexist HRC Supporters**\n>Apparently there are HillaryBros too. Hillary Clinton supporters take to Twitter to attack Jane Sanders.\n\nhttps://pivotamerica.com/ironically-jane-sanders-attacked-hillary-supporters-manner-sexist-comments/",
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"content": "pivotamerica.com? A Sanders campaign website. Righto",
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"content": "Certainly is but the Twitter attack posts are nonetheless real.\n\nedit; for clarity",
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"content": "Let's see them on twitter. I can do the same thing.",
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"content": "Can you show us? ",
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"content": "Can't Bernie Sanders go a week without one of his lunatic surrogates saying something so dramatically offensive? Who vets these people? Who clears their speeches and hands them a microphone with Bernie's name on it?\n\nWith management like this, no wonder they're losing so badly.",
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"content": "If Sanders is losing badly then Cruz is a a member of the Green Party",
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"content": "The only way Sanders would NOT be losing badly is if his opponent's lead of 275 pledged delegates and roughly 2.5 million primary/caucus voters were to simply vanish into thin air. \n\nIn other words, Bernie's only \"winning\" if you don't use any numbers or do any counting.",
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"content": "He's behind, sure. But losing badly? No. He's running surprisingly strong for a candidate that was supposed to be a long shot.",
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"content": "He finished on Tuesday. Mathematically eliminated. What are you talking about?",
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"content": "You know, I've never really bought that cute little argument from Sanders supporters. It's a really hollow thing to be proud of. I mean, I understand the facts behind the argument - he started this race as an unknown, and went from single digits to a second-place candidate. Good for him. \n\nExcept he's not winning. He's still in second place. Aside from a few days between New Hampshire and Nevada, he's never held the lead in delegates, and the gap has grown wider and wider each month. He's behind to such an extent that he can't come out ahead, and the remaining states are structurally and demographically not going to give Bernie the margins he needs to come anywhere close to Hillary's delegate lead. And that's not even counting the superdelegates, who are not going to save Bernie's bacon, no matter how much people might wish.\n\nIn presidential politics, there's no prize for second place. Going from rags to riches doesn't mean squat if you still lose the election. Yes, Bernie's given us all a wild ride, and it's been fun, but it's over. Now it's up to him to wind things down gracefully, and it's up to his supporters to choose their path going forward.",
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"content": "No candidate has ever recovered from the deficit he faces. That was true a month ago and it's only gotten worse.\n\nHe's losing badly.",
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"content": "We've seen controversial things come from surrogates of literally every candidate.",
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"content": "What's something offensive/crazy that a Hillary surrogate has said?",
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"content": "\"Reflecting on Clinton's double-digit victory, the anonymous senior aide told Politico: 'We kicked ass tonight,' adding, 'I hope this convinces Bernie to tone it down. If not, fuck him.'\"",
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"content": "Remember when a Clinton surrogate attacked Sanders on his age? Remember when a Clinton surrogate said that young women only support Sanders because that's where the young men are? Remember when a Clinton surrogate said that women who don't support Hillary Clinton have a special place in Hell?\n\nWith management like this, it's no wonder Clinton has struggled to dominate the Democratic race like she reasonably should have.",
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"content": "Try putting names to these. It's a little hard to keep track of who's a Hillary surrogate these days. You see, she has so many of them, while Bernie just has the same few clowns and non-politicians.",
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"content": "I love how you Bernie fans make yourselves feel better about Sanders's failure of a campaign by stating that Hillary isn't winning enough. ",
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"content": "I love how sensitive Hllary Clinton's supporters are to the argument. If, as a group, you really believe that the argument doesn't hold water then why, as a group, does it drive you so crazy?",
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"content": "Because it's spin and spin of any sort tends to drive people crazy. ",
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"content": "It's not spin. It's an accurate statement. A year ago Sanders was virtually unknown, and Clinton had a significant advantage going into this. If I'm not mistaken, Nate Silver predicted Sanders would fizzle out last August.\n\nSo, as a Clinton supporter you either have to acknowledge Sanders' appeal and strength as a candidate, or you have to accept that she is an uninspiring candidate, or you have to be realistic about the situation and realize that it's a mix of the two.",
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"content": "I don't blame Sanders (too much) for his supporters, but if Rosario and Monica are out to speak against cyber bullying, I think they joined the wrong campaign.",
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"content": "Monica has no relation to anything that's happening here.\n\nShe has not waded into the primary at all. \n\n[She is definitely speaking out against cyber-bullying and bullying though.](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/16/monica-lewinsky-shame-sticks-like-tar-jon-ronson)",
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"content": "Not to mention that in order for savings to be passed on to you and me (assuming you're not an insurance bigwig), SOMEONE needs to make less money: whether that's the doctors, the middlemen or the insurance providers. ",
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"content": "Insurance companies are such parasites.",
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"content": "Why the hell do we even still have health insurance companies? ",
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"content": "Because they support Democratic nominees like Barack Sell-out Obama and Hillary Sell-out Clinton.",
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"content": "Barrack Obama does the \"universal\" healthcare plan that the Heritage Foundation \"think\" tank came up with yet the Republicans think its the worst thing thats ever happened to America",
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"content": "It works for tricking Democrats into leaning further right in their quest to be \"more pragmatic\".",
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"content": "Yeah... him adopting their plan, it really sucked for them? That is officially when I quit liking Obama and I knew we were all fucked.",
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"content": "How about dat bail out tho?",
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"content": "That was great for his donors! ",
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"content": "Funny because it was the republicans plan first. Now they're totally against it. ",
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"content": "They're all for the plan. They just don't like the name associated with it. They want to be America's biggest little whores and they don't like the Democrats stealing their thunder.",
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"content": "I hate insurance and pharmacy companies. Why do we even keep them around? Are the middle men not the reason healthcare is exceedingly more expensive here than other countries to begin with? Are they not the reason people *still* have to go to other countries to get affordable meds?\n\nI'm about to order my meds from India because even with insurance (that had high monthly payments and a unrealistic deductible), my generic meds are as much as my rent. \n\nI don't give a hoot about insurance's profits. This just makes me question why we put the health of all of our citizens in the hands of *bussinessmen*. Businesses only want one thing, naturally, to make as much money as possible. It makes no sense to me to put the health of our country in their hands. I shouldn't have to go bankrupt because I have an autoimmune disorder. What about our growing elderly population? ",
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"content": "Fuck insurance companies. I wish the ACA *would* ruin them.",
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"content": "The guy sure complains a lot. ",
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"content": "After not contributing anything to the party for decades, you decide to use the DNC's resources to run your campaign. How have they been unfair to you? You knew wtf you were getting into, but now you want to cry foul now that you're chances of winning the nomination are the same as a Browns superbowl? ",
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"content": "Yeah I don't really understand him. Is he surprised that the Democratic Party is favoring one of its most powerful members and not some outsider?",
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"content": "Oh the brigadier. ",
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"content": "It's not brigading with no participation links :)",
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"content": "You were brigading /r/sandersforpresident last Tuesday night. ",
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"content": "Brigading implies bringing people with me and organizing an effort. I acted on my own accord to shitpost. Please open a dictionary ",
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"content": "You and everyone else from ESS*. ",
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"content": "If you can find an organized effort to brigade s4p by me or anyone in ess I will gild you 20x and delete my account. It was obviously the best time to rub it in the faces of S4P as it was the theoretical nail in the coffin. If we were brigading that is bannable but yet we are all here. ",
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"content": "No worries. I'll keep an eye out for you. \n\nI love how you folks are always claiming that you're being brigaded and harassed by /r/sandersforpresident but there you are with multiple shit posts in your comment history that occurred during peak brigading hours. Great job! ",
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"content": "I think you're confusing ess and HillaryClinton. Come to ESS and we will not complain about brigading but just be excited at another opportunity to bash Bernie supporters",
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"content": "You're an HRC supporter. That's what I was talking about. The HRC campaign, it's surrogates, and it's supporters pretends to be victims while simultaneously bullying others. ",
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"content": "Yeah and they're pansies for doing so I don't give a shit about my karma as seen by my shitposting Tuesday ",
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"content": "Good for you. ",
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"content": "And if you think shitposting in the mega thread is bullying then I hope you don't actually get bullied. ",
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"content": "/r/democrats does not allow the direct linking to external subreddits without the use of \"np\". Please use http://np.reddit.com/r/<subreddit> when linking into external subreddits. \n\nThe quickest way to have your content seen is to delete and repost with a corrected link. \n\n*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/democrats) if you have any questions or concerns.*",
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"content": "You mean like the BBs did in /r/gunsarecool on the Newtown posts? They even had to flair it as brigaded there. It was disgusting justifying that crap. BBs kings of doxxing, brigading and many on the pay of Republican SuperPACs based outside the US.",
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"content": "https://np.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/comments/4dkcsh/need_help_with_why_it_is_a_problem_that_bernie/\n\nNo as we have seen on your Hillary Clinton calling Monica Lewinsky a slut accusations, you are the one that makes things up.",
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"content": "Thats was brigaded from a progun sub, by the usual progun nutcases for the same stupid reasons. It had nothing to do with Sanders. ",
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"content": "Bernie has caucused and fundraised with the DNC since 1991. He's voted in agreement with the party 98% of the time. \n\nYou're wrong that he hasn't contributed. The independent status worked well for voters in Vermont and the DNC was so pleased with him that they agreed to not run a candidate against him there. \n\nStop with the lies. ",
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"content": "What downticket candidates has he contributed to? Why can't he endorse someone in my state like Tammy Duckworth who's looking to flip a senate seat? \n\nEDIT: Better yet, what about the chance he had to flip the uber conservative, homophobic judge in Wisconsin? 15% of his supporters left the ballot blank during the primary. A mention in his speech could've helped.",
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"content": "He has endorsed five candidates. \n\nCurrently the vast majority of that money raised by the DNC is going directly to his opponent. It would pretty stupid to fund raise for the opposition. \n\n",
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"content": "> Better yet, what about the chance he had to flip the uber conservative, homophobic judge in Wisconsin?\n\nReally? He's responsible for local judges now?\n",
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"content": "If he really wants to see a political revolution, yes. That's the problem I have with his campaign. Everything begins and ends with him. His idea of a \"political revolution\" takes root at the state and local levels. ",
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"content": "Sure, but you have to crawl before you can walk. He has come out to support several Congressional candidates. And I assume will work to support more in the future.\n\nBut trying to blame him for some rando judge not being elected is a data point that can't be argued by and sound logic. Was Hillary out there campaigning against that judge? If she did, and couldn't bring about change that would prove her incompetent. If she didn't, then you have no basis to attack Sanders on.\n",
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"content": "Because they heavily favor clinton... they decided they wanted clinton from the very start.",
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"content": "According to Chomsky, today's Democrats, like Hillary, are similar to Republicans years ago, and Sanders is like what Democrats were. The whole political spectrum shifted to the right, [here's Chomsky elucidating](https://youtu.be/yn6KipA2TRA?t=1m59s). \n\nWhat this means is the argument that he hasn't been a democrat rests on what a democrat actually is, by principle, not by where people are taking the party, which is clearly not where it was. Therefore, he's been the real democrat and would be saving the party by returning to its progressive principles, such as when FDR was president.",
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"content": "before or after the flip in the 60s based on segregation? Because the current make up of the party changed significantly with the southern democrats mostly changing parties.",
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"content": "Very true, Hillary said she doesn't know if Bernie is a democrat, yet she is the one who is not the real democrat.",
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"content": "Like /u/starethruyou said, they're just on two different levels. Bernie is a classic democrat (Chomsky calls him a New Dealer) but not by name, and Hillary is a party-loyal democrat. I mean. Personally, I agree with you. But I understand both sides of the argument. Being ideologically left is to me more important than simply being labeled a democrat. But there is something to be said for party loyalty.",
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"content": "Chomsky, funny.",
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"content": "Boo-fucking-hoo.",
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"content": "But.. But... Hillary will show us all how to work with the republicans, she claims.. It's all obama's fault he met such resistance, she and her followers claim... ",
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"content": "Who claims that?",
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"content": "This ain't buzzfeed dude. Put the response in the title, don't try to make us click through",
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"content": "Good. I'd like to see her get tough on fracking too.",
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"content": "How dare she have nuance on an issue, calling for regulation but not an all out ban not supported by evidence. Go back to r/s4p with your character attacks.",
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"content": "Bernie's fantastical plan to ban all fracking will increase our dependence on fossil fuels and so increase global warming. Some areas should not be fracked, but where advisable should. Science supports this. But keep up your conspiracies about \"big oil,\" that would in no way benefit from fracking, because fracking produces natural gas.",
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"content": "Yep. I want to kill the planet. I'm actually being paid by Lord Xenu. We're extracting all the gold from the earth for some reason then blowing it up throw fracking. Fuck L. Ron Hubbard.",
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"content": "My phone is possessed by LRH, was supposed to be through. But how can I compete with you, who Lord Bernie blessed with perfection? Only through Hillary. The Xenu talk was just a ruse. Hillary has subsumed the 5 evils, and I am her acolyte. She will unleash the Burning hells, and with Deckard Cain dead, not even Tyreal's might combined with Lord Sanders will stand in her way. I suggest you roll wizard for the coming undead and demon hordes; they're always a strong class.",
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"content": "Please traveler, head my warning. Make for the Sanctuary of Burlington and prepare.",
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"content": "What the hell do they even mean? Who the hell is Brock?",
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"content": "I honestly do not see the purpose of these. But carry on..., I guess. I would prefer you stick to debating the issues. ",
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"content": "thanks man! saint brock would not approve though, i assure you. silence the critics!!",
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"content": "I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Just figure it ain't worth the hassle. (been a long week)",
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"content": "I guess I'm just surprised that this is what would be chosen for moderation rather than u/michaelconfoy's continued use of the derogatory \"Bernie Bros\" label to disparage other users in this sub or their continued references to Bernie Sanders as \"Bernie Slanders\" or \"St Bernard.\" Certainly such contributions lack insight in favor of divisive rhetoric, and have been a problem for a lot longer than u/cspan1's use of an annoying tag.",
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"content": "St Bernard is derogatory? You can call me St. Michael any time though I am not deserving. Pretty sure Bernie Bros is common vernacular that I did not invent and when I use it, and I don't for you or cspan1, I am not going to point out the causes of me saying that and encourage it more though backpackwayne is aware of them. And what about Schillary, and the like for Clinton? I didn't come up with these in a vacuum you know. Don't worry, after Tuesday, I predict all good vibrations here. Edit: cspan1 doesn't bother me and backpack can confirm or maybe he can't that I don't report him at least. I think he is pretty harmless actually.",
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"content": "We talked and agreed it is not. It just seemed repetitive and irrelevant to the debate. But we talked and he convinced me. Carry on.",
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"content": "She may not want the endorsement now but it was OK for Koch Industries to be on the executive council of the DLC?\n\nhttps://twitter.com/lhfang/status/724378454062436352",
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"content": "Yeah, it's absolutely fine that Rosario brought up an antibullying activist while speaking about bullying during this campaign. Don't want to be called a bully? Don't bully people. ",
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"content": "Yes, those Bernie supporters harassing super delegates using personal contact info aren't bullies at all. ",
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"content": "People who have votes that are worth more than those of hundreds of thousands are going to hear from their constituency. There's no way around that. If they don't like it, they can always give up their super delegate status, or find another line of work that doesn't involve overruling the votes of hundreds of thousands of people. \n\nhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/us/politics/05superdelegates.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article&_r=1",
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"content": "So you are fine then with people harassing delegates on their private FB profiles and cell numbers?\n\nThat's out of line and only hurts your cause. \n\nThen you complain about bullying. ",
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"content": "They're not private if they're open to the public. Sorry, you can't make your wall and your phone number open to the public and then pretend like it's private, privileged information. It doesn't work that way. ",
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"content": "What? Your FB profiles even if they are public does not mean people can harass you. \n\nThat is not their business profile. It's their personal one.\n\nYou really think that encourages super-delegates to support Sanders?\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "No, if it's on public mode the user is responsible for everything on it. If they dont like it, they can change to private mode, or relinquish their super delegate status. ",
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"content": "Or assholes can contact them through the appropriate channels. \n\nYour reasoning means they could stalk people at their homes and if they don't like it they can move.\n\nThese are people who you are trying to get to sympathize with you. Not intimidate like a bully. \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Strawman argument. \n\nI never said anything about going to their homes. \n\nFacebook is a communications channel. People communicate on it. People are communicating with their elected officials on those officials' public Facebook pages. That's what they're there for. \n\nThat has nothing to do with trespassing or stalking someone at home. ",
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"content": "It's not their official FB profile though.\n\nIt's their personal one. \n\nJust like your personal cell number is not your business phone. \n\nThis type of behavior is toxic. ",
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"content": "First of all, I don't believe that for one second. And since you haven't provided a source, I'm going to just write it off as a purposeful misrepresentation. \n\nBut just for shits and giggles, let's play this game. \n\nI'll explain this to you like I explained it to my middle-aged mother...\n\nIf you set your Facebook profile to public mode, you're responsible for what happens. If it's in public mode the public can see it, post on it, and share it. Beware. \n\nNow, why should super delegates get treated any differently than anyone else. \n\n",
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"content": "Wait, you are saying beware, but you are not saying whether it's WRONG to stalk someone on FB. \n\n",
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"content": "It's not stalking to access your elected officials' public Facebook pages. It's just not. \n\nIf those people want to maintain a private Facebook page it's incumbent upon them to do so. Do you understand how privacy works on Facebook? ",
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"content": "So if some guy was stalking your daughter on Facebook, you would say it's okay?\n\nNot that she should make it private but that its okay that a guy stalk her? \n\n",
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"content": "My daughter wouldn't have a public Facebook page. At least not until she's an adult and by then I would hope I would have taught her to be responsible with her only presence. You never know what kind of sickos are out there. \n\nI'm taking this as \"No, I don't understand how privacy works on Facebook.\". ",
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"content": "Oh god. Look at your pathetic attempt to not condemn the behavior of stalking, though. \n\nJust to defend your precious supporters. Stalking delegates is wrong. Call their offices like decent human beings.\n\nAnd have some integrity. Whether a girl's profile is public or not, it's wrong to stalk her. Period. \n \n\n\n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about. ",
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"content": "I know exactly what I am talking about. \n\nWhy would any super delegate change their vote after you've stalked them?\n\nHow many super delegates have switched their support in the past month?",
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"content": "You don't know what you're talking about. \n\n*I don't have a public Facebook account*, *because I don't want to talk to the public directly*. One has to at least be a friend of a friend to even message me. They have to be a friend to see my profile. I purposely only have 150 people in my friends list because that's the maximum limit of how many people a person can *actually know*. I don't friend acquaintances and I don't friend people I don't know in real life. \n\nIt's incumbent upon the user to configure their Facebook settings according to their lifestyle and preferences. \n\nWhat you're saying doesn't make sense. ",
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"content": "Twist and twist all you like.\n\nYou may as well take up the rightie narrative. They always blame the victim. \n\nYou're fine with people stalking public profiles with the intention to intimidate. \n\nNo wonder your candidate is failing so bad. \n\n\n\n",
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"content": "Blame the victim? \n\nA person who holds public office and commands a vote that's worth hundreds of thousands of other people's votes isn't being victimized when they speak with their constituency. That's just ridiculous. \n\nThey have public accounts because they want to talk to the public. Talking to the public is a big part of being a politician. Only a fool would attempt to shelter our elected officials from criticism and questioning. \n\nMaybe you should consider moving to Turkey. I hear they don't allow anyone to speak ill of or question their leaders nowadays. Maybe you should go there. ",
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"content": "Maybe you should move to Cuba or Russia where that type of intimidation tactic is used. ",
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"content": "What kind of intimidation tactic is that? \n\nCitizens talking to their leaders? \n\nI'm pretty sure that the argument against both of those states and Turkey is that citizens who criticize and disagree with their leaders can be jailed and even executed. \n\nYou don't make sense. Politicians aren't victims. If anything they're antagonists and aggressors. They need to be questioned and criticized. ",
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"content": "On their personal contact info?\n\nNot all super delegates are even elected officials.\n\nThis is sick stuff. I am so happy I chose the right candidate. ",
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"content": "You may want to rethink your position. \n\n[Hillary Clinton did the same thing in 2008.] (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/us/politics/05superdelegates.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article&_r=1) \n\n",
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"content": "Please show me where it says her supporters stalked people using personal contact info? ",
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"content": "We're done here vega. I provided you with an article that contained quotes from super delegates who said they were harassed by the HRC campaign and you dismiss it. You have no argument and this is just a waste of time. Have a nice night. ",
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"content": "You are not the campaign calling their office. \n\nYou are a strange dude calling them on their personal cell phone. ",
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"content": "It's against the rules to say what we're all thinking, unfortunately. You should delete this comment that couldn't possibly be true.",
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"content": "What an incredibly facile attack on Sanders. One side takes issue with corruption and wealth inequality, the other grasps at straws for reasons to take offense like petulant children. \n\n",
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"content": "Are there Democrats out there that don't think Lewinsky will be brought up in ads and 30ft banners at rallies from whichever shit show the Republicans end up pushing forward? This is far from fodder that Rosario or Bernie is providing to the other side, Fox has over 20 years of prepared material to use on Hilary, and Monica sits squarely in that.",
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"content": "So therefore it is OK for Sanders to let it slide a supposed Democrat? Maybe Clinton should have brought up his American Communist Party endorsement that he never disowned too? Or his love child? WTF?",
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"content": "Nothing like dioxin, benzene, and methane in the drinking water, guys! Gotta let those companies make billions while poisoning their employees and the communities involved. ",
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"content": "If you love flammable water, Clinton is a great choice!",
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"content": "If you love a Sanders beat down, you will love watching the results roll in from PA Tuesday night.",
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"content": "Are you suggesting that the Clinton machine will be in full force suppressing the vote by purging voters, tampering with machines, tampering with registrations, using misleading and complicated multi district operations, moving polling places, trimming polling hours, and generally lying to voters? ",
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"content": "Wouldn't be surprised to see some sketchy stuff happen and have a 3rd election investigation.",
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"content": "Illinois may also end up under investigation after the results of the Chicago audit. ",
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"content": "So ridiculous and corrupt, can't even vote for who you want without some shady stuff preventing you from doing so.",
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"content": "Maybe it's ACORN's fault! ",
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"content": ">the Clinton machine will be in full force suppressing the vote \n\nThat's a fairy tale.\n\n> tampering with machines\n\nWith the exception of Philadelphia, most of Pennsylvania votes with paper ballots.",
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"content": "Do you have posters of her in your room? Cause you really love her and can't find anything wrong with her.",
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"content": "Fracking is poison. Nobody's torn. ",
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"content": "Fracking is not nearly as big a political issue in Pennsylvania as non-Pennsylvanians think. A majority of the state's population is in the section where there is no fracking because there are no reserves to support it, so they're not emotionally invested. In the fracking regions, it's generally supported because of the jobs it brings. Yes, some people don't support it, but it's not a hot button issue. The national press is talking about it much more being an \"issue\" than people here in Pennsylvania.",
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"content": "\"All politics is local\" -- Tip O'Neill ",
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"content": "I actually met and chatted with Tip O'Neill once. It was in 1978 at the opening reception for the National Gallery of Art's East Building.",
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"content": "Very cool. I met in high school Senator John Glenn on a field trip. We could do this all night except that is the best I can do except I met Tim Kaine when he was governor. ",
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"content": "Nice use of selective data points!\n\nWhere is Hawaii in that graph? Where is Washington? Is seems to be missing a bunch of states. States that Sanders won.\n\nDid you know that during the financial crash, when Obama took office, gas prices had temporarily crashed. The Republicans used that number in 2012 to say \"Hey, look how much Obama has driven up gas prices\".\n\nThis sham of an article uses the same logic. What a joke!",
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"content": "The people's view is explicitly a Clinton news outlet. I wouldn't expect it to be objective or factual in any meaningful way. ",
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"content": "Calling it a \"news outlet\" is generous. It looks like someone's hobby blog project.",
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"content": "Pretty much. ",
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"content": "Nice not reading. First they don't do exit polling of caucuses like that in most cases. Second, how many lower income people can afford to spend all day at a caucus? That is why Sanders always did better at caucuses. Edit: Sanders has only won 5 primaries. He may win a 6th on Tuesday, tiny Rhode Island. Oh boy. But they probably won't bother to do exit polling there either. So sorry.",
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"content": "I agree. We should get rid of caucuses. They're archaic.\n\nI don't care if they don't do polling in some places. If you're going to make a claim like this, but your data is overly populated with samples that lean in one direction, then it's statistical nonsense.\n",
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"content": "You want to bring some evidence that is not enough data to prove the point? Given the number of large states, it is more than enough to prove the point. Don't make me embarrass you with basic statistics. Before we go any further I will make it easy on you and just say read these:\n\nhttp://seniorsecondary.tki.org.nz/Mathematics-and-statistics/Glossary/Glossary-page-M\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_random_sample\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error",
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"content": "I'm quite familiar with statistics and data analysis techniques. From that sample set, I could also deduce a few more things:\n\n- Poor voters tend to live in states that vote for Republicans\n- Poor voters prefer country music over electronic music\n- Poor voters tend to use the phrase \"y'all\"\n\nWhen less than half of the states are represented it skews the results. When those states are over-represented by a geographical area, it skews the result. When independent voters aren't part of the eligible voter base, it skews the result.\n\nIt's junk logic, from a junk site.",
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"content": "Like NYC's poor voters? Michigan's? Illinois'. Since Sanders didn't win any primaries in any large states except Michigan which is there, what states would you like considered? The state of denial?",
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"content": "> Like NYC's poor voters? Michigan's? Illinois'.\n\nIt's hard to read the graph, due to slanted names, but if you look at the data points for those 3 states you will see:\n\n- NY: Either -5% or +5~10%...can't tell which point lines up\n- MI: Around 0%\n- IL: ~+10%...again, hard to tell which point to look at\n\nSo, that's a roughly neutral preference. If you further take into account that NY didn't allow independents to vote, whereas an upcoming state like CA does, it introduces another axis of uncertainty.\n\nSorry, but it's not a solid analysis IMO. And I've spent more time than I'd like pointing that how. If I haven't convinced you yet, we'll have to agree to disagree.\n",
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"content": "Wrong, 16% in NY http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/ny/dem",
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"content": "which, when using exit polling showing a 4% split, is one of the reasons that the election to this point would not be recognized as valid when viewed by u.n. election monitors.",
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"content": "democracy. democracy wins.",
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