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Edward Baines, I presume. Hi, Ed. I'm Pete.
Do you think that's funny?
No. Not at all. From what I understand, he knows I"m here, isn't that right?
I read about a woman in TExas who was in a coma for seven years. Every time her husband came to visit, her heart would beat faster. Isn't that something? I don't know what name scientists have for something like that...
It doesn't have much to do with science.
What then?
The soul. The spirit. Whatever you want to call it.
Ah, the part of us that can't be explained.
Agent Novak?
Peter, okay?
Do you feel there's a side of yourself you don't show people?
Absolutely. I suppose everyone does.
Just like we all have fantasies, right? Things only we know, that we don't share.
That's what therapists are for, right?
With Stargher I saw things...
What did you see?
A kingdom. His utopia. Life without consequence or restriction. He's not even Carl Stargher anymore. He's this... idealized version of himself who can do anything he pleases... Without fear. A horrible primitive ugly thing. I don't want to talk in here.
Why'd you bring him here?
You're the shrink, you tell me.
As soon as I met him, you knew I'd say yes. He makes Julia real for me.
You thought Stargher wanted to be caught.
I did, yeah.
You were right. There's a part of him that knows the truth. About what he did, about himself.
What about Julia?
This is going to sound terrible, but... I don't think she matters anymore. Not to him. He never finished her. The others...he was able to make them his.
You think you can do this, don't you?
He might tell me about Julia. The part of him that wants to help, that feels shame and remorse. Who wants to be redeemed.
This is Stargher we're talking about?
Not Stargher, not really. He's split himself right down the middle. Good/evil, right/wrong, merciful/cruel. A monster. And an innocent child. If I could reach the boy.
Whoa. Hold on. Aren't they the same guy?
Don't you feel there are different sides to every personality? Maybe even the worst of us is capable of one decent act. We're all human.
It's hard for me to see Stargher as human, capable of something like "remorse."
Then what is he?
Evil.
If you believe that.
Maybe this is a big fucking waste of time.
What happened to Charles Gish?
What happened?
What difference does it make...?
Tell me.
A child can experience abuse worse than Charlie's. And grow up to be someone who would never, ever hurt another living thing.
You're sure of that?
Yes. I am.
Remember, Julia Hickson is priority number one. Nothing else matters. Find out where she is.
Okay, okay...
Wait...
Like hell "wait."
He wants us to follow. The little boy...
Little boy?! That's him!
He brought you to me, didn't he? If you want Julia to live, trust me. Trust him.
Where the hell are we?
Carl, do you know? Like on a map...
COME ON!
I can't leave him!
That went well.
Give her a minute. Hello, Valentine.
You sure about this?
Absolutely. Abigail...
I heard Julia and John got married.
Yep. Eloped.
Good for them.
Well look at that.
I told you. You have to be optimistic. Believe in them...
So you say.
He's mine?
All yours. My boss says it's one of the strangest requests the Bureau's ever had.
He also says that until proven differently, Julia Hickson was found as a result of good oldfashioned detective work.
It doesn't matter...
I don't know. I think it does. You know, Catherine... If you ever want to talk about it. What happened to Stargher. That last time.
They're hungry.
I got it.
Thank you.
No problem.
No. Thank you.
Sing a song of sixpence...
A pocketful of rye...
Fourandtwenty blackbirds.
Did we go sailing?
Almost. MockyLock showed up.
"MockyLock is the bogeyman, MockyLock wants me where I am."
MockyLock is a pain in the ass.
He hates me.
Lucien Baines?
She adores you.
She thinks I can bring Edward back.
Someday you can. We all believe that...
We've been over this a dozen times. No.
Why not? Just once. A trial run. What harm could it do?
I don't want to find out.
Miriam...
Shush.
He creates the obstacles, he decides which games to play.
I've heard this argument before. It's not happening.
It could take years for me to get past the barriers he's created.
If we reverse the feed and bring Edward into your mind, it could be devastating for him. Imagine the shock of suddenly existing in a whole other world.
I do it all the time!
Yes, but, you're a willing participant. Picture Edward in a strange place, lost, frightened...
I'd be there for him.
And he might blame you for terrifying him. That one moment could erase all you've accomplished. And if that happened, the trust he has in you is gone.
Okay, okay...