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1/28/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5910	Seminar for the new Sahaja yogis Day 1	India	Mumbai	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	41	Seminar for the new Sahaja yogis, Cowasji Jehangir Hall, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India. 28 January 1980. I was told that I should address the gathering in English language. I know it would be all right for few people if I address you in English. I think that it is time for us to think that why God has created this beautiful being, human being. Why did He take so much trouble to evolve us from amoeba stage to this? We have taken everything for granted, even to talk of God in these modern times, it is impossible, because according to the intellectuals, He doesn't exist. They may say whatever they like, but He does, and very much so. Now the time has come, first of all, for us to know why are we here? What is our fulfillment? Have we come in this world just to be born, eat our food, produce children, amass money for them and then die? Or is there any special reason that God loved us so much, that He created a new world of human beings? Also the time has come for us to know that there is God and that His power of love exists, and not only that, but it organizes, it coordinates, it's dynamic, that He loves and in His love He wants to grant us the kingdom of God, the greatest that was planned for human beings. Let us forget our frustrations, and our turmoils, and our so- called political and economic problems, for they do not exist. It's only a mirage we are running after, we are the people who are created this cobweb and are entangled into it and are worried about life. There's nothing to worry, for the Lord, God all mighty, who has created you is the All Mighty, and He is anxious to give you the bounties of joy and happiness. If we sit down and try to understand, we will learn that God has created us into a human being without anyone of us knowing about it. We did not know how did we become from monkeys to this state. We have no idea when did we get this great personality of a human being. What did we do to become a human being? We should ask this simple question to ourselves. What do we do to breathe so easily? What do we do when our heart beats regularly? What the timing it keeps the way it works! What have we done to achieve this kind of a beautiful body which works by itself? You have done nothing so far. At the most what we can do is the dead work, like we might create a building out of dead stones, or if it dies we can create a nice, beautiful furniture. But have we done anything living so far that we are so proud that we deny the power that creates life? Thousands of flowers are turned into fruits everyday, and I am saying thousands because there is no word to that, it's infinite. When this power is acting so minutely, infinitely, and into such detail, for example if you have a mango tree, you will get a mango fruit only. If you have a rose bush, you will get only roses out of that. All that is controlled properly managed, everything done so beautifully. You are placed on this Mother Earth, which is moving with such tremendous speed, and still you are just there, no problem. All these things, how they are happening? We do not want to face. We don't want to face the reality. Perhaps, we think that reality would be too much. But the time has come for us to know the reality because it is the most beautiful thing, and that the reality and the truth is a very simple thing. The truth is that God has created you all to make His power manifest to you. As we have created this instrument to make our voices go through it, in the same way, God has created you in such a beautiful manner that you can manifest His power, His shakti, through your instrument. But the only difference between this instrument and this human instrument is this that you are aware, that you know everything, that you are capable of understanding the power that is flowing through you and its manifestation and a complete maneuvering of it. And the last of it, the joy of it. This has been told in various scriptures, especially in our country, which is endowed with God's greatest blessings of very beautiful atmosphere. We do not realize living in this country how much the other countries have faced to live with their surroundings. Say, if you have to live in London, you must know that you have to have a very big income, because it's so cold, you have to have a house which is central-heated, which is minimum of minimum. This country being especially made for a very simple living, without going into any encounter with the nature. We have seen that thousands of years back, in this great country of ours, there were many great saints who went into the jungle, because in this country you can live in the jungle with very little food, to find out about the underlying currents which are controlling this body. While in the West, people went outward, first of all, get their houses properly done up, to live even was a problem there. And then they went into things like science, outward, to see what comfort they can get out of matter, what help they can get out of matter. But here the people went within themselves, they took their attention within to find out what was the underlying forces that have created this whole universe and created the human being. Supposing something goes wrong in the instrument here, and you cannot cure it then, you'll start going to the mains and finding out if there was anything wrong with the mains. In the same way, some people are trying to do the job here, while some people were doing the job at the mains. They discovered that within us lies a power called as Kundalini. This Kundalini is the power lying at the base of the spine, at the sacral bone, we call, some people mistake it because I say it triangular, because it's a complete triangle, the little small bones are called as triangular bones in the medical science. I mean that triangle that you can feel at the back, at the back, at the base of the bone is called the sacrum. Now this sacrum means sacred bone. Just think, how people knew that it was the sacred bone and also it is said that when a man gets burnt, whole his body can be burned, but this bone doesn't get burnt. This has got three and a half coils, this Kundalini. There is a special reason for having three and a half coils, because that gives the manifestation of an eternal being, but that we'll discuss sometime later. Now, these three and a half coils of Kundalini or the energy or the shakti, it manifests the complete human being, as we call the pinda, a complete zygote is created out of it. She creates and still remains the same, like a Mother creates a child but remains the same. This Kundalini is your Mother. She is the one who is only your Mother. Every individual has got this Mother, in the triangular bone, every individual and this Mother is all the time recording, watching, coordinating and trying to give you what do you call the symbol of the universal unconscious. They say this Kundalini is sleeping. She is in a way, because She is not yet arranged it. Below this Kundalini is a center, another center you can see, which is the center of reception of all the information of what you have done in previous lives and what you are doing today. All your information is kept like a tape, in the sacrum bone of every human being. Now you may say that "How are we to believe Mother that there is such an energy?" In our Sahaja Yoga program there may be at least thirty percent people who must have seen with their naked eyes, the pulsation of the Kundalini. You can see with your naked eyes that the Kundalini pulsates, and She rises, you can see it with your naked eyes. Not only that, with a stethoscope you can feel the rising of that "lup dup" as you see in your heart, or they say anahatha means the sound of the percussion. All this was found out long, long time back, but everything that is Indian should be discarded as useless, have been our idea, for the last, I don't know for how many years. Why? This is a country of yoga, we are yoga-oriented people. Basically we are yoga-oriented. You may try to change the ideas, and the new liberation and these nonsensical things, bring anything you like in this country but it's going to be very difficult, because this has been looked after, nurtured and being put forward as the greatest leader of spirituality. You try any tricks on this country, it won't work out because it is not one day's job, it is not two day's job, but thousand of years the sages have worked on this country, and this part, and please know that as you are born as Indians, you are the greatest, as far as spirituality is concerned. But the other day when they were having My television, they asked Me a direct question, "What do you think of Western seekers that you have and the Indian seekers?" I said, "Of course the Western seekers are ego-oriented, they go for ego trips, they will join a guru who will give them some clothes, or will call them by some names, they want to have some ego trips." But still they are seekers of a very long history, must have been, they might have been the great sages of this country born in other country perhaps, because the way they have gone into Sahaja Yoga and the way they have mastered it, is something so remarkable, while the pseudo-intellectuals of our country are extremely superficial. On this point they felt a little bit sad. But I said, "I'll have to tell you the truth." We have never gone into the details, into the findings of these great sages who have found out so many things for us, it's already ready-made, just like your Kundalini being made by your Father, the Lord, God Almighty, who has put the Kundalini just there for you, ready. Now you have the first center, these are all the subtle centers I am talking about which are manifested grossly within, as plexuses. But here I will tell you about the subtle centers. The first subtle center is called as the Mooladhara Chakra. Now all if you must be knowing this much of Sanskrit that this Mooladhara is the support of the root. What is the root? Root is the Kundalini, which is higher, and this is the Mooladhara center. This is the center that averts, that informs the Kundalini. Now, this has nothing to do with Hindu religion or Christian religion or any religion whatsoever. Everyone, whether you are from London or from India or from Timbuktu, has got this Kundalini within yourself if you are a human being. Now we talk of one world and one great understanding, and that is not possible. That's an impossible task that you have taken up. The reason is that you have not gone into the undercurrents of all the people. Secondly, you have not found out your absolute; it's all relative terminology. All your economic problems, all your economic theories, and all your assumptions, as far as your political parts are concerned, are absolutely useless, because they are not based on the absolute. You are moving in on a plane which has no base. Nothing is absolute, actually that's why we always go to extremes, like, when we are discussing about, say, politics, see our all ideologies that work out: capitalism, one extreme; communism, another extreme. This is another extreme, that is another extreme. The river flows in the center and the more you are in the center, is deeper, all these ideologies will vanish into thin air as soon as you know you know your absolute, and all these problems and turmoils, and these useless talks will finish. Let us find out where is our absolute within us? Now, when I talk to you, I know the questions that are coming up, that's why I have to refer to it whether I am talking to it out of something, out of the blue, or I am talking to you which is scientifically true. If you are a real scientist, I would request you to be open minded. Every scientist has to be open minded for you know that Avogadro's hypothesis was put forward, then it was again repelled, again repelled and then another. In the same way, I am putting a hypothesis before you, and to prove it you give Me a chance, and then you'll know that I am talking of absolute laws which cannot be changed, absolute laws of God which are written in the books of love. This absolute resides in your heart as your Spirit, as your atma. Spirit in English language, I find English language rather tricky because I don't think they ever had such meditative experiences as we have had. Atma is in your heart, is the reflection of God all mighty. Within our heart is the atma, is like a flickering light, we can say as the gas light, we have the flickering light, which knows everything, which knows everything, which is called as CheTrAgnya in the Gita. This one knows what you are doing, where you are going, what are your plans, and what is wrong and what is bad. And this is the one we do not know that it is the one that we have to seek. But we are aware that there is someone, who knows all about us, whether you go in the darkness or you hide things, anything you do, you know that there is someone in your heart which knows everything about you. But what we have to do now, to go to Him? Or to got to it, or to meet it? What have we done to become a human being? I again ask the same question. Nothing, and even to know the Spirit, you don't have to do anything. What do you do to sprout a seed, nothing. The Mother Earth, She takes care of it. In the same way, to raise your Kundalini, to meet the Spirit, what do you have to do? Nothing, and that is going to be difficult to accept that without doing anything ourselves, how are we going to achieve it? That's why Sahaja Yoga moves very, very slowly. If I tell people that you have to stand on your head, for three hours, there will be ten times more people here. You cannot do anything about it, only an enlightened light can enlighten another light, is a simple thing you know. If you are not enlightened, how can you enlighten another light? How can you enlighten yourself? And what does it do when it enlightens another light? The another light also gives light. This flicker that is in your heart is the Spirit, and this Kundalini is the one which is kept ready like a primule and ankura within yourself, which rises slowly through these six centers, and emerges out of this area which is the thaloo, as it is called, or you can say the fontanel area. In the fontanel area, which is called as the thaloo, the Kundalini pierces through. From the thaloo, the Kundalini pierces, and when the Kundalini pierces through this, the seat of your Spirit is on here, the seat is here. You'll be amazed that the Spirit comes out of you every night about twelve inch, and the seat is here and when the Kundalini touches the seat, you get your Self Realization. When you get your Self Realization, then you find your own meaning, before that this life has no meaning at all. Like, unless and until it is connected to the main, this has no meaning. What are you fighting about God, if He's there or not, when our eyes are not yet opened? It's like blind people fighting amongst themselves and declaring that there is no God or there is God, both the thing is just the same. Whether it is blind faith or I would say very intellectual assertion, that there is no God, just the same, it has no meaning, because both ways you are not connected with God. So the first and foremost thing is that you should be connected to your Spirit, all the rest of it, absolutely useless. Those people who indulge into other ego trips and think they are going to achieve God by jumping or by doing all kinds of nonsensical things, they are [?]. This Kundalini has to rise and has to give you Self Realization. This is what Adi Shankaracharya has said, this is what Christ has said, this is what everyone who is a person regarded as the real person has said: that you are to be born again. How are you going to be born again? This is the Mother, which is sitting down there waiting for that occasion to rise and pierce these six chakras, the centers on top, to give you the Realization. The lowest chakra it does not pierce. This is the lowest chakra which has to look after the pelvic plexus, and if you know the pelvic plexus, it also looks after the sex. Sex has nothing to do with Kundalini, I have said thousand and one times, but people have no sense to understand. That's your Mother. Now, understand that you are all Indians, not English. How can you say such a dirty thing about your Mother? And this is what people have been misled into. I will give them, because I am a Mother, I'll give them also the benefit of doubt. May be they were mistaken. May be that they saw Ganesha's trunk there and thought that this was the Kundalini because the deity, which is ruling on that center, is Shri Ganesh. When I say Shri Ganesh, people should not think that it is about Hinduism, nobody has right on Shri Ganesha. He's not anybody's deity as such, who just wants to pocket Him. He is the Lord who is ruling the whole universe, and nobody can claim that He is Hindu or Christian or Muslim. This Lord Ganesha whom we worship. Even the doctors, engineers, everyone worship do not know that He resides within you, on this Mooladhara Chakra - like, like a lotus in the mud, like a little child who doesn't understand the nonsensical side of sex, who is so pure. That child resides within you, and here I would also like to point out that many people think that abstinence is going to give them a great height in spirituality, are sadly mistaken. You are not to run away from anything. You have to have children, you have to live like normal husband and wife. That is what we have to have in Sahaja Yoga. If you are abnormally behaving like having a ascetic life and all that, I would request you that you better go and change your dresses, and come back with normal dresses. Sahaja Yoga can only be granted to people who are normal, not to extremists who believe in running away from home, or running towards the home too much. The people who lead a good life, who think of their society as well and who are very normal people in the middle course, not the extremists. The middle course people, we have never bothered about the middle course people. We are only bothered about the absolutely poor people who are beggars or worried about the people who are very rich. Forget them, both of them are in the same rank. You'll see this in Sahaja Yoga that they have the same characteristics, they have the same values, they are of the same standard. Only difference is one has too much money and one does not have. You see, this is the money that makes the difference, but that is the denominator to know that both are in the same condition. Now I am telling you that Sahaja Yoga only works out for people who do not go to extremes, because you can see that it is in the center that lies the vertebral column, not on one side or other side. Those people who are simple people, who are leading a nice, good righteous life, are the best for Sahaja Yoga. There is not need to make any experiments as the Western people have done. They have really ruined their society, ruined themselves completely, finished. You may call me I am Victorian, middle class, as the intellectual have great words, you see, they brand somebody. But it's high time that they are realizing that such a foolish tomfoolery we have done in that country. We have ruined the society, we have ruined our children, we have ruined our family relationships, we have ruined a complete nation into Doom's Day, complete doom. If you go and see those countries - miserable. They are going to end up their lives in the pub, that's what it is because they cannot face life. The life is so miserable for them, they have no family, no children, no wife. Where to go? So they go to pub. So, all these experimentation are of no use. As a Mother I am telling you, "Please stop." Awaken your Lord Ganesha within you, by respecting your chastity. Our Indian men think that chastity has no meaning for them. Only the women have to be chaste, and men are not supposed to be chaste at all, is more surprising. Chastity is the most important thing for human beings, to be in the center because it is Shri Ganesha's blessings one get, then only the Kundalini is going to rise. Now Shri Ganesha has incarnated in this earth, on this earth Himself as Lord Jesus Christ. He came on this earth as Lord Jesus Christ on this center, what you call the Agnya Chakra, where I am putting this red thing. But He has evolved a lot. There are eleven rudras as we call them, there are eleven rudras which are His powers. All this is described in the Devi Mahatmyam, Devi Bhagawat. His name is Mahavishnu. He is called as the support of the universe. But who reads Devi Bhagawat? Or who reads, Markandaya's book or Adi Shankaracharya's book? They will say that "We are great Hindus," and they have not even heard the name of Adi Shankaracharya. I went to Kerala and these newspaper people told Me that, "We have never read him." In Kerala, such a great man was born, Adi Shankaracharya, I mean they have not read about Him. He never preached any Hinduism, it's a wrong idea. He said, "Na yogena na sankhe." He said, "Not by these philosophies you are going to get to God, but through Mother's grace only you'll get that position." He clearly said it, He never believed in any such secular sort of idea or any such ideas which meant that this religion is different, secular itself means that other religions exist. There is only one religion of God that exists. There aren't hundred religions as we think them. They are all flowers of one big tree. We have removed all these flowers, "this is my, this is my." And them how do you talk of secularism? It is one and it has been flowered with one shakti, with one love. How can they be different? They are all one, absolutely unanimous. They are in complete concord and there is no problem with them, is the problem is with us, the human being. It is too much to believe but it's a fact, somebody has to tell you that it was Lord Ganesha who came on this earth as Lord Jesus Christ, and what have you done to Him? Think of it. He was there for four years only, He did this kind of a work and what did you do to Him? And why did you do to Him? What was the reason? Because, again, you did not want to face the reality. Now this is the time has come that you cannot avoid reality. If you avoid, then there are great dangers waiting ahead. You have to face the reality. And why? I'll tell you just that. Within us lies the undercurrent of our sympathetic and parasympathetic activity. Three channels called as, first one called, on the left hand side, as the Ida Nadi. These are the undercurrents of the sympathetic nervous system, left sympathetic nervous system but you cannot see it with your naked eyes. It is inside the spinal cord, while the sympathetic nervous system is outside. On the right hand side lies the Pingala Nadi which manifests the right sympathetic nervous system. In the center lies the parasympathetic nervous system, which is really autonomous, and you cannot control it. It supplies all the energy that is being used by the sympathetic. Whenever you get into any emergency, you start using your sympathetic nervous system, any emergency, like say running. When you run your heart will start beating, but the parasympathetic brings it to normal. These are the six centers from where you get your energy for the sympathetic nervous system. Now when you overdo any activity, because you go to extreme, then that particular center refuses to produce any more energy and it is exhausted because you are not connected to the mains, and tension is built up and if you go on more with it the result is cancer. Cancer cannot be cured, you write it down today, and ten years I have been saying, without Sahaja Yog, it cannot be cured. Why cancer is acting within us because we are exhausting our energy in different centers and there is no way of bringing back energy to us. You have to get some method by which you get connected to the mains. For example, if you are going by car, and your petrol is going to finish, then you'll build up tension, normally. But supposing that you have a way of getting connected to the main, and the energy flows within you all the time, you are inexhaustible. You are absolutely at peace. This is the one of the reasons that people are leading themselves physically into complete destruction. Secondly, if you do not do that, if you do not get cancer, or any other such diseases, you will get bored in life, you get bored of yourself. Then to get over the boredom, you go to the pubs, you go drink and do all these alcoholism. Of course, nowadays people are singing praise of alcohol. You go on praising it, doesn't matter, I won't say you don't drink, you come to Sahaja Yog and you will give up. Thousands of people have give up drinking, and why? I mean I don't tell them don't drink, not at all. I say don't drink only the bottle over here. Last time one gentleman brought a bottle over here just to hit Me, but if you come here, you find your absolute, the joy of your absolute and then you don't want to drink yourself. Even if you want, you won't drink. I don't do anything to you, I don't tell you, I do not brainwash you, or I don't say anything about prohibition, nothing of any kind. Automatically, when you have found yourself, you are no more bored, you are so much satisfied within yourself, and you just don't take to it. It's a very simple thing, and that is what is to be found out and the time has come for us to get our Self Realization, is the most important thing for all of us to get our Self Realization. Now for this, you cannot pay. I mean, it's so absurd to tell, but people are so mad that I have to say these things. How can you pay for your Mother's love? Can you pay for your Mother's love? I mean Indians understand their Mothers. How can you pay for her, can you even talk about it? It's so insulting, so funny, but you cannot pay for it, you cannot pay for God. Anybody, whether he calls himself by any name, or anything, I don't care. But anybody who takes the name of God and takes money lives like a parasite on the society, is a very sinful man. And those who follow those personalities are also going towards the same side which goes to hell directly. You cannot take money for this love. This love, this flows, this just flows. It doesn't want anything, you cannot pay it back. It just flows like light. It doesn't require anything, it just requires its flow. As long as it flows, it's satisfied, it doesn't want anything. Do not judge God by the norms human beings have about themselves. They are trying to organize Him also, and they are going to buy Him. There are, I know, every institutions, so called religious institutions, where the people are just parasites, living there doing no work, are making money out of religion and it is very difficult for them to accept when I say you cannot pay for it. But I tell you that from your mother, you can know that this mother has little love for you but God Almighty has the ocean. You cannot pay for that ocean. Just accept it, it will flow, overflow, engulf you and make you beautiful. The time has come for all of you to get it. Today I think it is sufficient, tomorrow I'll tell you in details about all the centers, and about how to maintain them, but I would request that after the Realization, you must know that every light which is enlightened can again go back because people are negligent about it. So you must know after enlightenment, how to look after the lamp. If you could do it for few days also, it consolidate and then you start enjoying it, and then you enter into a realm where there is nothing but enjoyment, and laughter and happiness and joy and in that enjoyment, you are amazed to say that see that you are connected to each other so much like a part of the finger is connected to the whole body. It happens, it is actualization, it is not lecturing that you are brothers and sisters, no. It happens, you become that when the Kundalini rises, the enlightenment on your fingers, on your being, makes you aware that you are part and parcel of others also. It makes you. You don't have to tell yourself, you don't have to educate yourself, it just becomes, it's actualization. The collective consciousness become your dharma. It becomes your being, and that is what you have to gain, and that is what you have to achieve. For that, no effort is needed, and no money or anything is needed except that when you get it, you have to maintain it for some short time till it lit up properly. May God bless you! I think we should go in for the experience and with little humility please accept it. If you are a very arrogant person, it doesn't work out. I've seen people who asked the most arrogant questions are the first to disappear and waste our time for nothing at all. I assure you that this has worked wonders and it is going to work wonders for you. You are not going to have that attitude as you have in a shop. You have not paid for it. I have loved you, that's why I am with you, and for that you have to behave in that manner. Respect it and not to be arrogant because with arrogance you may not get it. I do not want that some of you should miss it. Please listen to Me, I am your Mother and still you all are My children, whether you are ninety or hundred doesn't matter. In this respect you are all My children and you have to listen to Me, get to your joy, get to your happiness, and get to the key of your being. Thank you very much. May God bless you!	null	null	null	Seminar for the new Sahaja yogis, Cowasji Jehangir Hall, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India. 28 January 1980. I was told that I should address the gathering in English language. I know it would be all right for few people if I address you in English. I think that it is time for us to think that why God has created this beautiful being, human being. Why did He take so much trouble to evolve us from amoeba stage to this? We have taken everything for granted, even to talk of God in these modern times, it is impossible, because according to the intellectuals, He doesn't exist. They may say whatever they like, but He does, and very much so. Now the time has come, first of all, for us to know why are we here? What is our fulfillment? Have we come in this world just to be born, eat our food, produce children, amass money for them and then die? Or is there any special reason that God loved us so much, that He created a new world of human beings? Also the time has come for us to know that there is God and that His power of love exists, and not only that, but it organizes, it coordinates, it's dynamic, that He loves and in His love He wants to grant us the kingdom of God, the greatest that was planned for human beings. Let us forget our frustrations, and our turmoils, and our so- called political and economic problems, for they do not exist. It's only a mirage we are running after, we are the people who are created this cobweb and are entangled into it and are worried about life. There's nothing to worry, for the Lord, God all mighty, who has created you is the All Mighty, and He is anxious to give you the bounties of joy and happiness. If we sit down and try to understand, we will learn that God has created us into a human being without anyone of us knowing about it. We did not know how did we become from monkeys to this state. We have no idea when did we get this great personality of a human being. What did we do to become a human being? We should ask this simple question to ourselves. What do we do to breathe so easily? What do we do when our heart beats regularly? What the timing it keeps the way it works! What have we done to achieve this kind of a beautiful body which works by itself? You have done nothing so far. At the most what we can do is the dead work, like we might create a building out of dead stones, or if it dies we can create a nice, beautiful furniture. But have we done anything living so far that we are so proud that we deny the power that creates life? Thousands of flowers are turned into fruits everyday, and I am saying thousands because there is no word to that, it's infinite. When this power is acting so minutely, infinitely, and into such detail, for example if you have a mango tree, you will get a mango fruit only. If you have a rose bush, you will get only roses out of that. All that is controlled properly managed, everything done so beautifully. You are placed on this Mother Earth, which is moving with such tremendous speed, and still you are just there, no problem. All these things, how they are happening? We do not want to face. We don't want to face the reality. Perhaps, we think that reality would be too much. But the time has come for us to know the reality because it is the most beautiful thing, and that the reality and the truth is a very simple thing. The truth is that God has created you all to make His power manifest to you. As we have created this instrument to make our voices go through it, in the same way, God has created you in such a beautiful manner that you can manifest His power, His shakti, through your instrument. But the only difference between this instrument and this human instrument is this that you are aware, that you know everything, that you are capable of understanding the power that is flowing through you and its manifestation and a complete maneuvering of it. And the last of it, the joy of it. This has been told in various scriptures, especially in our country, which is endowed with God's greatest blessings of very beautiful atmosphere. We do not realize living in this country how much the other countries have faced to live with their surroundings. Say, if you have to live in London, you must know that you have to have a very big income, because it's so cold, you have to have a house which is central-heated, which is minimum of minimum. This country being especially made for a very simple living, without going into any encounter with the nature. We have seen that thousands of years back, in this great country of ours, there were many great saints who went into the jungle, because in this country you can live in the jungle with very little food, to find out about the underlying currents which are controlling this body. While in the West, people went outward, first of all, get their houses properly done up, to live even was a problem there. And then they went into things like science, outward, to see what comfort they can get out of matter, what help they can get out of matter. But here the people went within themselves, they took their attention within to find out what was the underlying forces that have created this whole universe and created the human being. Supposing something goes wrong in the instrument here, and you cannot cure it then, you'll start going to the mains and finding out if there was anything wrong with the mains. In the same way, some people are trying to do the job here, while some people were doing the job at the mains. They discovered that within us lies a power called as Kundalini. This Kundalini is the power lying at the base of the spine, at the sacral bone, we call, some people mistake it because I say it triangular, because it's a complete triangle, the little small bones are called as triangular bones in the medical science. I mean that triangle that you can feel at the back, at the back, at the base of the bone is called the sacrum. Now this sacrum means sacred bone. Just think, how people knew that it was the sacred bone and also it is said that when a man gets burnt, whole his body can be burned, but this bone doesn't get burnt. This has got three and a half coils, this Kundalini. There is a special reason for having three and a half coils, because that gives the manifestation of an eternal being, but that we'll discuss sometime later. Now, these three and a half coils of Kundalini or the energy or the shakti, it manifests the complete human being, as we call the pinda, a complete zygote is created out of it. She creates and still remains the same, like a Mother creates a child but remains the same. This Kundalini is your Mother. She is the one who is only your Mother. Every individual has got this Mother, in the triangular bone, every individual and this Mother is all the time recording, watching, coordinating and trying to give you what do you call the symbol of the universal unconscious. They say this Kundalini is sleeping. She is in a way, because She is not yet arranged it. Below this Kundalini is a center, another center you can see, which is the center of reception of all the information of what you have done in previous lives and what you are doing today. All your information is kept like a tape, in the sacrum bone of every human being. Now you may say that "How are we to believe Mother that there is such an energy?" In our Sahaja Yoga program there may be at least thirty percent people who must have seen with their naked eyes, the pulsation of the Kundalini. You can see with your naked eyes that the Kundalini pulsates, and She rises, you can see it with your naked eyes. Not only that, with a stethoscope you can feel the rising of that "lup dup" as you see in your heart, or they say anahatha means the sound of the percussion. All this was found out long, long time back, but everything that is Indian should be discarded as useless, have been our idea, for the last, I don't know for how many years. Why? This is a country of yoga, we are yoga-oriented people. Basically we are yoga-oriented. You may try to change the ideas, and the new liberation and these nonsensical things, bring anything you like in this country but it's going to be very difficult, because this has been looked after, nurtured and being put forward as the greatest leader of spirituality. You try any tricks on this country, it won't work out because it is not one day's job, it is not two day's job, but thousand of years the sages have worked on this country, and this part, and please know that as you are born as Indians, you are the greatest, as far as spirituality is concerned. But the other day when they were having My television, they asked Me a direct question, "What do you think of Western seekers that you have and the Indian seekers?" I said, "Of course the Western seekers are ego-oriented, they go for ego trips, they will join a guru who will give them some clothes, or will call them by some names, they want to have some ego trips." But still they are seekers of a very long history, must have been, they might have been the great sages of this country born in other country perhaps, because the way they have gone into Sahaja Yoga and the way they have mastered it, is something so remarkable, while the pseudo-intellectuals of our country are extremely superficial. On this point they felt a little bit sad. But I said, "I'll have to tell you the truth." We have never gone into the details, into the findings of these great sages who have found out so many things for us, it's already ready-made, just like your Kundalini being made by your Father, the Lord, God Almighty, who has put the Kundalini just there for you, ready. Now you have the first center, these are all the subtle centers I am talking about which are manifested grossly within, as plexuses. But here I will tell you about the subtle centers. The first subtle center is called as the Mooladhara Chakra. Now all if you must be knowing this much of Sanskrit that this Mooladhara is the support of the root. What is the root? Root is the Kundalini, which is higher, and this is the Mooladhara center. This is the center that averts, that informs the Kundalini. Now, this has nothing to do with Hindu religion or Christian religion or any religion whatsoever. Everyone, whether you are from London or from India or from Timbuktu, has got this Kundalini within yourself if you are a human being. Now we talk of one world and one great understanding, and that is not possible. That's an impossible task that you have taken up. The reason is that you have not gone into the undercurrents of all the people. Secondly, you have not found out your absolute; it's all relative terminology. All your economic problems, all your economic theories, and all your assumptions, as far as your political parts are concerned, are absolutely useless, because they are not based on the absolute. You are moving in on a plane which has no base. Nothing is absolute, actually that's why we always go to extremes, like, when we are discussing about, say, politics, see our all ideologies that work out: capitalism, one extreme; communism, another extreme. This is another extreme, that is another extreme. The river flows in the center and the more you are in the center, is deeper, all these ideologies will vanish into thin air as soon as you know you know your absolute, and all these problems and turmoils, and these useless talks will finish. Let us find out where is our absolute within us? Now, when I talk to you, I know the questions that are coming up, that's why I have to refer to it whether I am talking to it out of something, out of the blue, or I am talking to you which is scientifically true. If you are a real scientist, I would request you to be open minded. Every scientist has to be open minded for you know that Avogadro's hypothesis was put forward, then it was again repelled, again repelled and then another. In the same way, I am putting a hypothesis before you, and to prove it you give Me a chance, and then you'll know that I am talking of absolute laws which cannot be changed, absolute laws of God which are written in the books of love. This absolute resides in your heart as your Spirit, as your atma. Spirit in English language, I find English language rather tricky because I don't think they ever had such meditative experiences as we have had. Atma is in your heart, is the reflection of God all mighty. Within our heart is the atma, is like a flickering light, we can say as the gas light, we have the flickering light, which knows everything, which knows everything, which is called as CheTrAgnya in the Gita. This one knows what you are doing, where you are going, what are your plans, and what is wrong and what is bad. And this is the one we do not know that it is the one that we have to seek. But we are aware that there is someone, who knows all about us, whether you go in the darkness or you hide things, anything you do, you know that there is someone in your heart which knows everything about you. But what we have to do now, to go to Him? Or to got to it, or to meet it? What have we done to become a human being? I again ask the same question. Nothing, and even to know the Spirit, you don't have to do anything. What do you do to sprout a seed, nothing. The Mother Earth, She takes care of it. In the same way, to raise your Kundalini, to meet the Spirit, what do you have to do? Nothing, and that is going to be difficult to accept that without doing anything ourselves, how are we going to achieve it? That's why Sahaja Yoga moves very, very slowly. If I tell people that you have to stand on your head, for three hours, there will be ten times more people here. You cannot do anything about it, only an enlightened light can enlighten another light, is a simple thing you know. If you are not enlightened, how can you enlighten another light? How can you enlighten yourself? And what does it do when it enlightens another light? The another light also gives light. This flicker that is in your heart is the Spirit, and this Kundalini is the one which is kept ready like a primule and ankura within yourself, which rises slowly through these six centers, and emerges out of this area which is the thaloo, as it is called, or you can say the fontanel area. In the fontanel area, which is called as the thaloo, the Kundalini pierces through. From the thaloo, the Kundalini pierces, and when the Kundalini pierces through this, the seat of your Spirit is on here, the seat is here. You'll be amazed that the Spirit comes out of you every night about twelve inch, and the seat is here and when the Kundalini touches the seat, you get your Self Realization. When you get your Self Realization, then you find your own meaning, before that this life has no meaning at all. Like, unless and until it is connected to the main, this has no meaning. What are you fighting about God, if He's there or not, when our eyes are not yet opened? It's like blind people fighting amongst themselves and declaring that there is no God or there is God, both the thing is just the same. Whether it is blind faith or I would say very intellectual assertion, that there is no God, just the same, it has no meaning, because both ways you are not connected with God. So the first and foremost thing is that you should be connected to your Spirit, all the rest of it, absolutely useless. Those people who indulge into other ego trips and think they are going to achieve God by jumping or by doing all kinds of nonsensical things, they are [?]. This Kundalini has to rise and has to give you Self Realization. This is what Adi Shankaracharya has said, this is what Christ has said, this is what everyone who is a person regarded as the real person has said: that you are to be born again. How are you going to be born again? This is the Mother, which is sitting down there waiting for that occasion to rise and pierce these six chakras, the centers on top, to give you the Realization. The lowest chakra it does not pierce. This is the lowest chakra which has to look after the pelvic plexus, and if you know the pelvic plexus, it also looks after the sex. Sex has nothing to do with Kundalini, I have said thousand and one times, but people have no sense to understand. That's your Mother. Now, understand that you are all Indians, not English. How can you say such a dirty thing about your Mother? And this is what people have been misled into. I will give them, because I am a Mother, I'll give them also the benefit of doubt. May be they were mistaken. May be that they saw Ganesha's trunk there and thought that this was the Kundalini because the deity, which is ruling on that center, is Shri Ganesh. When I say Shri Ganesh, people should not think that it is about Hinduism, nobody has right on Shri Ganesha. He's not anybody's deity as such, who just wants to pocket Him. He is the Lord who is ruling the whole universe, and nobody can claim that He is Hindu or Christian or Muslim. This Lord Ganesha whom we worship. Even the doctors, engineers, everyone worship do not know that He resides within you, on this Mooladhara Chakra - like, like a lotus in the mud, like a little child who doesn't understand the nonsensical side of sex, who is so pure. That child resides within you, and here I would also like to point out that many people think that abstinence is going to give them a great height in spirituality, are sadly mistaken. You are not to run away from anything. You have to have children, you have to live like normal husband and wife. That is what we have to have in Sahaja Yoga. If you are abnormally behaving like having a ascetic life and all that, I would request you that you better go and change your dresses, and come back with normal dresses. Sahaja Yoga can only be granted to people who are normal, not to extremists who believe in running away from home, or running towards the home too much. The people who lead a good life, who think of their society as well and who are very normal people in the middle course, not the extremists. The middle course people, we have never bothered about the middle course people. We are only bothered about the absolutely poor people who are beggars or worried about the people who are very rich. Forget them, both of them are in the same rank. You'll see this in Sahaja Yoga that they have the same characteristics, they have the same values, they are of the same standard. Only difference is one has too much money and one does not have. You see, this is the money that makes the difference, but that is the denominator to know that both are in the same condition. Now I am telling you that Sahaja Yoga only works out for people who do not go to extremes, because you can see that it is in the center that lies the vertebral column, not on one side or other side. Those people who are simple people, who are leading a nice, good righteous life, are the best for Sahaja Yoga. There is not need to make any experiments as the Western people have done. They have really ruined their society, ruined themselves completely, finished. You may call me I am Victorian, middle class, as the intellectual have great words, you see, they brand somebody. But it's high time that they are realizing that such a foolish tomfoolery we have done in that country. We have ruined the society, we have ruined our children, we have ruined our family relationships, we have ruined a complete nation into Doom's Day, complete doom. If you go and see those countries - miserable. They are going to end up their lives in the pub, that's what it is because they cannot face life. The life is so miserable for them, they have no family, no children, no wife. Where to go? So they go to pub. So, all these experimentation are of no use. As a Mother I am telling you, "Please stop." Awaken your Lord Ganesha within you, by respecting your chastity. Our Indian men think that chastity has no meaning for them. Only the women have to be chaste, and men are not supposed to be chaste at all, is more surprising. Chastity is the most important thing for human beings, to be in the center because it is Shri Ganesha's blessings one get, then only the Kundalini is going to rise. Now Shri Ganesha has incarnated in this earth, on this earth Himself as Lord Jesus Christ. He came on this earth as Lord Jesus Christ on this center, what you call the Agnya Chakra, where I am putting this red thing. But He has evolved a lot. There are eleven rudras as we call them, there are eleven rudras which are His powers. All this is described in the Devi Mahatmyam, Devi Bhagawat. His name is Mahavishnu. He is called as the support of the universe. But who reads Devi Bhagawat? Or who reads, Markandaya's book or Adi Shankaracharya's book? They will say that "We are great Hindus," and they have not even heard the name of Adi Shankaracharya. I went to Kerala and these newspaper people told Me that, "We have never read him." In Kerala, such a great man was born, Adi Shankaracharya, I mean they have not read about Him. He never preached any Hinduism, it's a wrong idea. He said, "Na yogena na sankhe." He said, "Not by these philosophies you are going to get to God, but through Mother's grace only you'll get that position." He clearly said it, He never believed in any such secular sort of idea or any such ideas which meant that this religion is different, secular itself means that other religions exist. There is only one religion of God that exists. There aren't hundred religions as we think them. They are all flowers of one big tree. We have removed all these flowers, "this is my, this is my." And them how do you talk of secularism? It is one and it has been flowered with one shakti, with one love. How can they be different? They are all one, absolutely unanimous. They are in complete concord and there is no problem with them, is the problem is with us, the human being. It is too much to believe but it's a fact, somebody has to tell you that it was Lord Ganesha who came on this earth as Lord Jesus Christ, and what have you done to Him? Think of it. He was there for four years only, He did this kind of a work and what did you do to Him? And why did you do to Him? What was the reason? Because, again, you did not want to face the reality. Now this is the time has come that you cannot avoid reality. If you avoid, then there are great dangers waiting ahead. You have to face the reality. And why? I'll tell you just that. Within us lies the undercurrent of our sympathetic and parasympathetic activity. Three channels called as, first one called, on the left hand side, as the Ida Nadi. These are the undercurrents of the sympathetic nervous system, left sympathetic nervous system but you cannot see it with your naked eyes. It is inside the spinal cord, while the sympathetic nervous system is outside. On the right hand side lies the Pingala Nadi which manifests the right sympathetic nervous system. In the center lies the parasympathetic nervous system, which is really autonomous, and you cannot control it. It supplies all the energy that is being used by the sympathetic. Whenever you get into any emergency, you start using your sympathetic nervous system, any emergency, like say running. When you run your heart will start beating, but the parasympathetic brings it to normal. These are the six centers from where you get your energy for the sympathetic nervous system. Now when you overdo any activity, because you go to extreme, then that particular center refuses to produce any more energy and it is exhausted because you are not connected to the mains, and tension is built up and if you go on more with it the result is cancer. Cancer cannot be cured, you write it down today, and ten years I have been saying, without Sahaja Yog, it cannot be cured. Why cancer is acting within us because we are exhausting our energy in different centers and there is no way of bringing back energy to us. You have to get some method by which you get connected to the mains. For example, if you are going by car, and your petrol is going to finish, then you'll build up tension, normally. But supposing that you have a way of getting connected to the main, and the energy flows within you all the time, you are inexhaustible. You are absolutely at peace. This is the one of the reasons that people are leading themselves physically into complete destruction. Secondly, if you do not do that, if you do not get cancer, or any other such diseases, you will get bored in life, you get bored of yourself. Then to get over the boredom, you go to the pubs, you go drink and do all these alcoholism. Of course, nowadays people are singing praise of alcohol. You go on praising it, doesn't matter, I won't say you don't drink, you come to Sahaja Yog and you will give up. Thousands of people have give up drinking, and why? I mean I don't tell them don't drink, not at all. I say don't drink only the bottle over here. Last time one gentleman brought a bottle over here just to hit Me, but if you come here, you find your absolute, the joy of your absolute and then you don't want to drink yourself. Even if you want, you won't drink. I don't do anything to you, I don't tell you, I do not brainwash you, or I don't say anything about prohibition, nothing of any kind. Automatically, when you have found yourself, you are no more bored, you are so much satisfied within yourself, and you just don't take to it. It's a very simple thing, and that is what is to be found out and the time has come for us to get our Self Realization, is the most important thing for all of us to get our Self Realization. Now for this, you cannot pay. I mean, it's so absurd to tell, but people are so mad that I have to say these things. How can you pay for your Mother's love? Can you pay for your Mother's love? I mean Indians understand their Mothers. How can you pay for her, can you even talk about it? It's so insulting, so funny, but you cannot pay for it, you cannot pay for God. Anybody, whether he calls himself by any name, or anything, I don't care. But anybody who takes the name of God and takes money lives like a parasite on the society, is a very sinful man. And those who follow those personalities are also going towards the same side which goes to hell directly. You cannot take money for this love. This love, this flows, this just flows. It doesn't want anything, you cannot pay it back. It just flows like light. It doesn't require anything, it just requires its flow. As long as it flows, it's satisfied, it doesn't want anything. Do not judge God by the norms human beings have about themselves. They are trying to organize Him also, and they are going to buy Him. There are, I know, every institutions, so called religious institutions, where the people are just parasites, living there doing no work, are making money out of religion and it is very difficult for them to accept when I say you cannot pay for it. But I tell you that from your mother, you can know that this mother has little love for you but God Almighty has the ocean. You cannot pay for that ocean. Just accept it, it will flow, overflow, engulf you and make you beautiful. The time has come for all of you to get it. Today I think it is sufficient, tomorrow I'll tell you in details about all the centers, and about how to maintain them, but I would request that after the Realization, you must know that every light which is enlightened can again go back because people are negligent about it. So you must know after enlightenment, how to look after the lamp. If you could do it for few days also, it consolidate and then you start enjoying it, and then you enter into a realm where there is nothing but enjoyment, and laughter and happiness and joy and in that enjoyment, you are amazed to say that see that you are connected to each other so much like a part of the finger is connected to the whole body. It happens, it is actualization, it is not lecturing that you are brothers and sisters, no. It happens, you become that when the Kundalini rises, the enlightenment on your fingers, on your being, makes you aware that you are part and parcel of others also. It makes you. You don't have to tell yourself, you don't have to educate yourself, it just becomes, it's actualization. The collective consciousness become your dharma. It becomes your being, and that is what you have to gain, and that is what you have to achieve. For that, no effort is needed, and no money or anything is needed except that when you get it, you have to maintain it for some short time till it lit up properly. May God bless you! I think we should go in for the experience and with little humility please accept it. If you are a very arrogant person, it doesn't work out. I've seen people who asked the most arrogant questions are the first to disappear and waste our time for nothing at all. I assure you that this has worked wonders and it is going to work wonders for you. You are not going to have that attitude as you have in a shop. You have not paid for it. I have loved you, that's why I am with you, and for that you have to behave in that manner. Respect it and not to be arrogant because with arrogance you may not get it. I do not want that some of you should miss it. Please listen to Me, I am your Mother and still you all are My children, whether you are ninety or hundred doesn't matter. In this respect you are all My children and you have to listen to Me, get to your joy, get to your happiness, and get to the key of your being. Thank you very much. May God bless you!
1/28/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=19517	Joy	India	Dhule	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	3	Joy, Dhule, India 1980-01-28 ...and their joy. So, no rapport can be established in the real sense with the Spirit, which is just a joy-giving quality. So thus the joy giving quality of the Spirit is so minimised, so much minimised, that intellectuals find it impossible to be joyous. You have to certify that, “Now be joyous!” you see. Even if you certify, even if the whole world certifies, that this is the way to be joyous, they will not accept. And they think [that], by accepting it, [it’s] as if they are giving up the heavens, they are giving up all their properties, they are giving up everything that they have! They’ll stick on to it to such an extent! I mean, if you have to learn swimming, and if you have to enjoy swimming, you have to give up that hold that you have on the outside ring. But you’ll hold on to the ring, and you will say, “No, this is the ring, I cannot give up!” So this kind of attitude of intellectuals kills their joy, and that's why they cannot enjoy the joy. And because of that everything works on some sort of an excuse, or some sort of a fear, or could be some sort of a domination. So the whole thing is so artificially managed, the whole thing is absolutely outside the realm of joy. All that is outside the realm of joy. While the realm is inside, you are just fighting outside somebody artificial. You have to come inside! And I don't know what to do, but sometimes I have to push them in, like that. They have to be sucked in, they have to be pushed in and they have to be forced into [it]. Like a little child, who doesn't know how to suck the bottle: you have to go on improving the condition of the bottle so the child starts understanding the joy of bottle sucking. It is rather amazing how, for years together, people live in Sahaja Yoga, still they do not feel joy, because of this kind of a conditioning is there. Just leave alone yourself! You see, even if they go out sometimes, they go in frustration, in tempers, in haughty ways. I have not seen any Sahaja Yogi just getting out just to enjoy things - “Let’s go out just to enjoy!” If they do it, they would! But normally, if they are angry with somebody, so they will go to a garden. I mean, that time you should not go, you should sit at home. You should go outside only when you are in a joyous condition. Then only you can see the joy everywhere. And because of the attention, all the time wobbling, you see. Also this attention style is looking at this, looking at that, looking at this one, criticising everything, analysing everything. I mean, the whole machinery becomes like a car whose all the parts are shattering, and [if] you sit in that and you would feel very uncomfortable and unhappy.	null	null	null	Joy, Dhule, India 1980-01-28 ...and their joy. So, no rapport can be established in the real sense with the Spirit, which is just a joy-giving quality. So thus the joy giving quality of the Spirit is so minimised, so much minimised, that intellectuals find it impossible to be joyous. You have to certify that, “Now be joyous!” you see. Even if you certify, even if the whole world certifies, that this is the way to be joyous, they will not accept. And they think [that], by accepting it, [it’s] as if they are giving up the heavens, they are giving up all their properties, they are giving up everything that they have! They’ll stick on to it to such an extent! I mean, if you have to learn swimming, and if you have to enjoy swimming, you have to give up that hold that you have on the outside ring. But you’ll hold on to the ring, and you will say, “No, this is the ring, I cannot give up!” So this kind of attitude of intellectuals kills their joy, and that's why they cannot enjoy the joy. And because of that everything works on some sort of an excuse, or some sort of a fear, or could be some sort of a domination. So the whole thing is so artificially managed, the whole thing is absolutely outside the realm of joy. All that is outside the realm of joy. While the realm is inside, you are just fighting outside somebody artificial. You have to come inside! And I don't know what to do, but sometimes I have to push them in, like that. They have to be sucked in, they have to be pushed in and they have to be forced into [it]. Like a little child, who doesn't know how to suck the bottle: you have to go on improving the condition of the bottle so the child starts understanding the joy of bottle sucking. It is rather amazing how, for years together, people live in Sahaja Yoga, still they do not feel joy, because of this kind of a conditioning is there. Just leave alone yourself! You see, even if they go out sometimes, they go in frustration, in tempers, in haughty ways. I have not seen any Sahaja Yogi just getting out just to enjoy things - “Let’s go out just to enjoy!” If they do it, they would! But normally, if they are angry with somebody, so they will go to a garden. I mean, that time you should not go, you should sit at home. You should go outside only when you are in a joyous condition. Then only you can see the joy everywhere. And because of the attention, all the time wobbling, you see. Also this attention style is looking at this, looking at that, looking at this one, criticising everything, analysing everything. I mean, the whole machinery becomes like a car whose all the parts are shattering, and [if] you sit in that and you would feel very uncomfortable and unhappy.
1/29/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8468	Seminar for the new Sahaja yogis Day 2	India	Mumbai	null	Draft	null	NEEDED	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	Hindi	61	null	null	null	null	null
1/30/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8469	Seminar for the new Sahaja yogis Day 3	India	Mumbai	null	Reviewed	null	NEEDED	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	Hindi	33	null	null	null	null	null
2/8/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5927	Mahakali Shakti	India	New Delhi	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	61	Public Program, "Mahakali Shakti". 8 February 1980. New Delhi, India. Sahaja Yogi: Two days ago I had the privilege to introduce Mataji at a temple in Delhi and there was a big crowd who came. This crowd, at the end of the program, was very eager to touch Mataji’s feet and once more I realized, how lucky and blessed you are in this country because your traditions, your upbringing has given you a deeper perception and better sensitivity to the dimension of spirituality. You seem to be more aware of the Divine than many other people, other countries and civilizations. This is why so many of us have come to India since, I would say, about twenty. The process began with this century, but especially after the World War II a great numbers of seekers of the West came to India to find what their own culture, own civilization could not give. This is the answer to a few basic questions of Iife, answer to the question of self fulfillment of the meaning of our destiny. Now, this story has been pathetic because there has been from this country thieves and crooks which have called themselves guru, and without any divine authorization they had led, or rather they had misled a great number of seekers. When I talked to Indian people about these things, they said, “We don’t believe in all these fake gurus. It is you, the foreigners, it is you the tourists who support them. You give money to these people, therefore they go on.” This is true. We are very naïve; we are very stupid in matters of spirituality. We can be easily befooled. For us you with the knowledge of your shastras are more likely to make out the difference between someone who is genuine and someone who is fake. Yet I would say that now, in the West, the era of the fake gurus is drawing to the end. I know very well a very senior intelligence officer in my country, and the police authority of Switzerland are absolutely fed up with Indian pseudo gurus. There is one Swami Omkarananda who is in jail in my county for fourteen years criminal indictment, and is charged of rape, black magic and all this… All this came in the newspaper under the headline of Indian Spirituality. Now I let you judge how helpful is it to the image of your country. This long and not very auspicious introduction lead me to tell you that there is one person which since very long has been telling the truth about all this phenomena, has been demystifying the fake gurus, the false prophets and has been exposing the true genuine authentic image of Hindu Spirituality to the seekers of all over the world, and this person is Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi. And therefore now is dawning the time in which She is going to be recognized. This process has started and nothing will stop it. I want to tell you as Indians that I have an extremely great respect for your country but, so that I can respect you also, you must feel the responsibility that you have toward the world. There is one thing that India can give to the world and this is guidance in this field where India has outdistanced all other countries - and this is spirituality. And there is one person which is at the edge of spiritual life today. Why? Who is this person? This person is the one who can raise Kundalini. This person is the one who can raise Kundalini at the mass level. This person is the one of which it has been said that once side glance of hers brings all prosperities. I have not accepted Mataji overnight. I had come to Her with a very analytical mind. I have watched Her for long until I realized how totally genuine She is. How totally caring and how totally selfless and, above all, how immensely powerful She is. Therefore, I have not the slightest doubt that Sahaja Yoga is going to achieve what God wants you to achieve. That is, the emancipation of all the seekers, the possibility for the [UNCLEAR] to get self realization. But I have doubts how seriously you in this country are going to take up Sahaja Yoga. We have made so many mistakes in the West that we know how dramatic the situation is. Europe is now in the fear of a third world war, in the fear of a worldwide energy crisis, in the fear of the consequences of a self-destroying society where the production process cannot be stopped, generate goods which are not necessary. We live in the Western civilization where family is destroyed, where one-third of the young couples get divorced; It’s very difficult to bring such a civilization on the right tracks again. Whereas in India you are much better prepared than we are to take out the message. You are much more dharmic then we are in the sense that you still respect woman, you have a sense of womanhood that [unclear -tape broken] on challenging. You are pious people. All these conditions should enable you to get self realization faster than we. The only question is do you realize the urgency of it? Do you realize the importance of it? Because your concern is very much with material things, material development, material security and because a tradition of religious orthodoxy has sometimes suggested that religion cannot be operative, practical and effective. Many of you, maybe, cannot perhaps see how immediate how immediately important it is in your daily life to experience [UNCLEAR] realization. It is ridiculous to talk to introduce Sahaja Yoga to your intelligence, that this talking is in itself all meaningless. What is meaningful is the experience of self-realization, the actualization of your own power. If you come here, just to hear another satsang, just by curiosity because Mataji is a very famous person and you want to know after all who She is, you will not go very far. But if you come here with a genuine heart, a heart which is asking God: “Please, I come here as Thy child, lead me to You,” then I can say with great confidence that you may reach now the end of your life`s long quest. It will take time for some of you to recognize who Mataji is. And we do not ask that you should recognize Her out of what we say. What we would like to suggest this evening is, grow into your inwardliness, get your own power, enter this new dimension of consciousness and from that point understand the importance, the greatness of what is happening to you, understand the immensity of the love and of the compassion of the one who has been able to grant this gift of self realization. We are now, in the West, over thousand people, many thousand people from all background. Some of us are gardeners, some of us are managers, some of us are poets, some of us do nothing, some of us are diplomats. And all of us, we have felt the Chaitanya, the vibrations coming out of the body of Mataji which has been described in the gospels as the wind of the Holy Spirit. We have felt our Kundalini rising. It is a fact. Either I am a liar, either I say the truth; but I say I have felt my own Kundalini, and I am not a great man, I am not a great spiritual person. I am a very common man who did a lot of mistakes. So that should point out to you how incredible Sahaja Yoga is that a simple common man like me can get his realization. And I am talking on behalf of thousands of people. We have only one concern at this stage. Is that you who are blessed to be born in this great country, in this country which has been protected, that you take up the message of truth. By so doing, not only you would do for yourself the greatest thing you possibly can, but you will spread the blessings of God on your whole family, you will bring the blessing of God on your own country. I know that this seems all far-fetched, that there are many people in town who speaks about these things. Therefore, I don’t give a lot of importance to my speech. But anyone who is honest and humble enough should be prepared to experience. For it is the scientific postulate that experimentation has to come first and conclusions last. And if there is this readiness in you, if there is this touch of humility which is very necessary then this evening and this series of talks on Sahaja Yoga will be a turning point in your life. I wish that I could better express, or what I feel for you, how deeply I wish that you get your Self Realization. How important is the time that we are living, it is a time which is short. I apologize for being such an inadequate messenger to announce Mataji. But the one who has to receive it is not your brain; your brain is basically useless to understand God, so was mine. This is what all the great saints have said: God can be recognized only by the heart. So let us humble down in our heart today and pray that we may all get the blessings of God. Shri Mataji: As I said yesterday, today we are going to start from the very beginning, since when this Sahaja Yoga started. When I talk to you, I’ve to again request that as a scientist you must keep your mind absolutely open and do not hang on to any point which comes up in your mind. But try to understand that whatever I am telling you is today may be a hypothesis for you but tomorrow it will become a complete scientific thing, for you have to understand the science of God’s love. Perhaps people cannot understand that all the sciences have come from God Almighty Himself. To understand God’s love and divinity one has to open oneself to that absolute position from where all relativity disappears. You are living in the atmosphere of relativity. We have to find out our absolute. Unless and until we find out our absolute, we are always in confusion and we think that this may be alright or that may be alright, if this is alright that could be alright. We try to decide everything through our rationality. As Gregoire has already told you, rationality is a limited means and I am talking of the unlimited. So if you have to go to unlimited, it has to be beyond the rationality. So with the open mind, I hope you’ll listen to me. After realization when the power starts flowing through you then you will be able to know how to maneuver it, how to understand it and how to keep it [SOUNDS LIKE: COOL? (position: 03.07)]. Like, one would explain about electricity first then give you an experiment with the electricity flowing and explain to you how to use it. By using the electricity you will be convinced that it is a scientific proof. I could have started the lecture from creation but that could be too much to begin with. I would start it from your own being. When you are a human being, you are not aware as to what are you inside. As far as your physical body is concerned, doctors only see the outside of your being. The inner subtle forces which are creating you, which are looking after you and which are making you exist, you are absolutely unaware of. In our being there is first of all is the power which enters into our being from right hand side and goes to the left hand side which we call as Mahakali Shakti, is the power of Mahakali. This Mahakali Shakti manifests within us a power which runs through the Ida Nadi. Now this Nadi, or this subtle channel, is inside the brain and inside the spinal cord. This being the energy, you cannot see it when it is dissected. For example, if you dissect this you won’t find the electricity here. This Ida Nadi on the left hand side gives us our existence and at the [eye? tape little broken 05.09] in the gross manifests our left sympathetic nervous system. We exist because of this Ida Nadi. This is also manifesting all our emotional side of life which comes from our past, so it has all the past that is within us. So Ida Nadi manifests, or we can say accumulates, all that is our past – atitt. This is our existence, we take it for granted that we exist [tape little broken,05.44], we do whatever we please in our Ahankara [Hindi/Sanskrit meaning ego], in our own understanding. We try to do our level best to destroy ourselves and we reach a point where we have to give up. This is all decided for you how long you have to exist. It is all predestined. If you have to die at a point you will die. There is no one who is going to stop that. So some people who come and tell Me, “Mother, somebody is dying or dead. Can you make him live?” If he has to live, he`ll definitely live. Only (faith) in the miracle of God makes you believe in Him; but your time of birth and death are absolutely destined, which must be accepted. It is not the way it is described in your Kundalis, or in your horoscopes. In the horoscope, for example, a gentleman was to die about 5-6 years back and he came to Me. He got his realization and he lived much longer after that; he’s still living. So he went to his pundit and he asked him, “How is it, you had predicted that I am going to die this year and still I am living?” Then he saw into the horoscope and he said, “By the way, did you meet any great spiritual personality?” He said, “I did meet someone.” He said, “That’s the reason. I should have told you that, that if you had met, if you meet this lady then this will be avoided.” And it was to be avoided, and he met Me. So in a way there is a sanyoga always. Because you are here, you should not think that you have deliberately come here but it was to be that you should be here. Now if you do not take the advantage of this sanyoga, that freedom is with you. But sanyogas are created by God. He organizes and arranges that you meet the right person that you get the right thing. But it is left to your freedom to choose the right or the wrong. Mostly we go according to our own whims and understanding. Even then if supposing our understanding was a pure understanding, and a simple understanding, we would know, we would be very sensitive to know who is the real person, who is not. But normally when we live we play with our existence, we try to minimize our sensitivity. This left side can be described also as a destructive side because if it does not exist, it is destructive, it destroys you. That’s why it is called also a destroying power. That by this power you can be destroyed. If you are not to be existing any more, the same power can destroy you. Now, this left side power is very important and is very, very vital for our country, specially, where we have traditions within us. Left sided people, those who are indulging into left side too much, are very emotional and they take to bhakti. If they take to bhakti they`ll go on calling God and working on that and doing all kinds of emotional expressions to get to God. This bhakti cult developed into our country, God knows how many years back, but has been working and there have been many people who have been getting into this bhakti cult. But when you cross a certain limit of this left side, you enter into collective sub-conscious area. If this is the sub-conscious then you go beyond that. If you go into collective sub-conscious, then you might find yourself attacked by people whom you do not know, or maybe you know, and that’s how we get people who get possessed. All your emotional problems, all your mental problem which are called as a lunacy and all that, are coming because of the defective behavior in this area. If you go into the left side area, as I told you, by any means like supposing some people are very fond of going through the cemeteries. I don’t know why, but they have… there are some funny people like that. We had a doctor in London, he is a Russian doctor but now he is in Australia. He came to Me and he had a problem on this left hand side, Ida Nadi. And I was amazed. I said how can this doctor from Russia and living in Australia and now in London can have such a problem like that. I asked him several questions, “Do you live near a cemetery, or do you have somebody dead in your family? Have you wept for someone, somebody has shocked you or what has happened that this left side is so weak in you? Or have you indulged into too much of drug-taking or something like that?” He said, “None. Shri Mother, I have not done anything like that neither have I been this way.” Then I said, “You try to remember.” Then he remembered that his grandmother was very fond of going to the cemetery and in his childhood she used to take him in the pram. Then she… when he was walking also she used to take him. Until he was quite old, she always used to take him to that cemetery. Just imagine. It’s such a funny thing that we do not know in our past how we have indulged into this left hand side activity. Now, in our country whatever traditions we have had all of them mostly come from the great saints, who have meditated. Not most of them, but I would say quite a lot of them. But we cannot say (that) there is not a single tradition which is wrong in India. But the traditions can get perverted later on; but basically if you see, our traditions are very sensible. Like, when a person dies whatever rituals we have is a very, very sensible ritual. We Indians are not aware of it, the rituals that we do. Of course in that when the Brahmins start taking money, that’s the perversion. Nobody should take money if somebody is dying. It`s very sinful to do that because he`ll be affected by the left hand side attacks. Those people who do all this kind of work and earned money out of the deaths of others are very dangerously placed. Moreover. when you also find that somebody is dead in your family… so many people when they come to me, I find left hand side is a problem in India. The reason is this – if somebody is dead, say the father has died early or a mother has died early, then people start worrying about that person. If father has died at a very early age, supposing in the case of a girl, she feels very insecure. All the time she is thinking about him. Then that kind of a mind can create a problem on the left hand side and we have to clear it out. It is that’s why very important what we do in India if [tape little broken] somebody dies is to [UNCLEAR – tape broken] play the band and all that so that our idea is get out of it. Those people have died, have gone to another world. They have to go. They are not to hang around here and we are not to keep them back and keep them under our bondage of our emotions. This we should understand. You see, in modern times, we just give up everything that was old. It`s a very wrong thing. Because, whatever they have discovered is of eternal. I`ve seen people, even if you tell them that you forget, forget about it, now don’t worry about it, they won’t listen. And then you find them getting into serious diseases like epilepsy, into lunacy and other mental troubles. Specially among women we find hysteria develops if this kind of a problem is there. Now it is not easy to believe into a thing that there is something like dead bodies hanging around. It’s very, very difficult for any educated man to believe into such a nonsense, but they do. You have to know that they do exist. Now that doesn’t means that you believe in their powers but that you must know that they exist and that’s why you have to keep in your maryadas. You have to keep in the center and don’t go too much on one side. In bhakti also when people overdo it like if they start weeping and crying and saying that “Oh Lord, You must come and give us some darshan” or something like that morning till evening they fast and they say that “Unless and until You appear before us, we are going to die.” All these things when you try, is emotional style of working it out. You cannot achieve it because this is your Manasa, this is your mind. Through your mind you cannot achieve God. By crying and weeping, you`ll go into tantrums. You`ll do all kinds of nonsensical things that people may think you are madcap. They might think you are just acting or they… I don’t know what they will think, but you do not achieve anything by this kind of crying. For example now we have in India a… I mean it started here I think, this Hare Rama Hare Krishna cult. These people are so funny that in Oxford Street if you go in London you`ll find them wearing those dhotis and saris. They don’t know how to wear and how to carry on with that and taking a dhoti in the hand and with great gusto they are going on “Hare Rama Hare Krishna, Hare Rama Hare Krishna” and the sari falls off and the dhoti falls off and they also wears those [bodhis?16.16] you see which are attached to the thing with a little clamp, I think or[UNCLEAR] or something. Because they don’t have so they have to buy it in the market. They have made a market out of it. They are selling all these things in the market. They are selling the dhotis, they are selling this, they don’t know how to wear dhotis and there`s somebody who will make you wear. They shave off their hair, they do all these things. Mother (speaks in Hindi): Baith jaiye, uthiye nahin bicch mein. Logon ka attention bahut sensitive hota hai. Koi khara ho gaya toh aap zaroor use dekhenge. Seeker (speaks in Hindi): Dekhiye, itna critical hona thik nahi hai. Shri Mataji (continues in Hindi): Aacha aap, aapko, aap bahar jaaiye kyonki aap ke samajh mein aane nahi wala kyon critical hain. Aap bahar jaaiye. Seeker (continues in Hindi): Nahin, nahin Shri Mataji (continues in Hindi): Hame jo kehna hai, kehne dijiye. Dekhiye, Hame jo kehna hai kehne dijiye. Aap se kya matlab hai. Jahan critical hai, wahan critical hona hai. Woh toh aapko patha nahi ki Christ ne toh hunter leke mara tha in logon ko. Ham toh kam se kam shabon se hi bol rahe hain. Jo baat jhoot hai woh jhoot hai aur jo saach hai who saach hai aur woh kahne mein hamaari himmat hai uski aap dath dein. Aapko, aapko abhi uska andaaza hua nahi hai na. Aage ki sun lijiye ek minute. Accha, usse... Shri Mataji: What has happened with that? Why I`m criticizing? Or with all this when they come to me, they have the cancer of the throat, now will you cure that. Will you clear that? It is very easy for you to shout here, this is not a political meeting that you come and talk. Seeker: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: No. But you should understand what I am talking. They are suffering from cancer of the throat. Seeker (speaks in Hindi): [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji (speaks in Hindi): Dekhiye, aapko accha nahi lagta hai toh aap bahar chale jayiye. Jo mujhe kahna hai woh main kahoongi aapko sunna hai, sunein Another Seeker: It is better she is critical. By critical mind… being critical-minded, you can understand better. Shri Mataji: After all, I am not going to say that you go and do the same thing. You know, these boys when they come to me they are suffering from cancer of the throat. Now, is this gentleman going to cure? I have cured them and I have to go through it. What has he done so far that he is talking? He should keep quiet because he doesn’t know anything, he has no authority just now. Another Seeker: Yes Shri Mataji: And please understand that this is not the way to listen to Me. I`ll say what I have to say, I am not afraid of anyone. And if anything is wrong, I am going to say it even if you crucify Me. Another Seeker: Very good Shri Mataji: Now this, this is what I was going to that if you do such a thing, extraordinary thing, you develop cancer. Yesterday only I had said. How do you get into sympathetic activity? I am just telling you this is how you get into left hand sympathetic attitude. And do you know cancer is caused by left hand problem not by the right hand which is physical? Just have some patience about it. This kind of nonsense if you start doing in the house, and if you get tomorrow the cancer… Now I`ll tell you exactly the name of the person and everything, I`m not afraid of anything because I have cured. I`ve got the proof of it and I can show you that. That was Dr. Mulay, you can contact him. I don’t know if he has come today. He sent one boy to me, only twelve year old boy suffering from leukemia, twelve year old boy. And he came to me, he was suffering from leukemia and when I went into his history and all that I couldn’t find any trace of his father going into any guru or any wrong type of a person. But when I asked him about his grandfather with whom this little boy was living, he had a guru and I also know the name of the guru, and this boy was suffering from leukemia. Now Mohammad Sahab has told us the methods how to get rid of these horrible gurus. You have to write the name of the guru and beat him with shoes. That’s the only way you can cure. Now, at that time nobody would say that you don’t criticize, because the child is twelve-year old, suffering from leukemia, will die within one month’s time. In all compassion, think of it how dangerous it is. And I should not warn? I am your Mother. I am not here for any political leadership or any sort of an election. In all compassion I am telling you that don’t indulge into such things. Now this fellow, when he got leukemia and his father told Me, I told him that you beat him with shoes. He called his father, his father also had to beat that guru. You can ask Dr. Mulay there was no trace of leukemia, within three days he cured. But we had to work hard. I am not here to cure people. Why not I take precautionary measures? Supposing there is something wrong with the penicillin, wont you say that there is something wrong with the penicillin? Is it criticism? Why should I criticize? What do I gain by that? I`m not earning any money out of you people. I`m not living on your any support. Why should I not criticize something that is to be criticized? Whatever is to be said, has to be said by somebody. Somebody must have that much guts, say whatever is right is right and whatever is wrong is wrong [the listeners applause]. So we come to this left side problem which I must tell you and warn you that if you go too much on the left hand side a kind of very funny situation develops to such an extent, you`ll be surprised. We have another boy in… his name is Ronny, in London. He is a very well educated boy, everything, and all the time what he does? He is crying. He`s doing no work, sleeping in the bed. His name is Ronny… I said this in Hindi is Roni [everyone laughs]. We call it roni-surat, that’s was he was, and his mother is fed up of him. Thrice I sent him to his mother then she said, “Mother I cannot bear this boy, he is just doing nothing, crying.” I said, “What did you do?” You won’t believe if I tell you what he did, that how these things happen. He read Lord Byron, by heart. By reading such things, it works on your mind all these ideas of separation, ideas… I mean, he is not in separation at all, nothing wrong with him, but you start identifying. Human beings have a habit to identify. When you start identifying with such things, you do get into troubles, and when you get into troubles you get direct to the lunatic asylum without even knowing that you are getting mad. Madness, lunacy… Yesterday only there was a boy here who said, “Mother, I have become mad now. They are going to put me to the lunatic asylum.” Among you he was sitting and he came and told Me. Now if I discover what sort of a thing he had, should I not tell you that this is the reason why people become mad and you just don’t do it? We must understand that we always overdo things. Ati. Ati sadaa varjet. That’s why it is written that it should be given up. We should keep to our maryadas: don’t go too much emotional also, nor too much intellectual, nor too much physical, but keep a middle path of everything. I am telling you this because this is one extreme I am describing, to which we go. We Indians are specially gifted by emotional beauty, that’s no doubt, but sometimes the way we are attached to things can take us to very wrong things. Like, we may be attached to our family. It`s a very good thing, you must do for your family, you must do for your children. In Sahaja Yoga there is no place for any sanyasi. There is no place at all for any sanyasi but that does not mean that you sell your country in the name of love. There are people, you know, who can sell their country. Now this is a country where persons like Shri Rama have been able to send the wife, the One who was the power behind Him, in the jungle just to have a proper public opinion. While we have people in this country you know that for definite. So many of them are there that just to look after their children, they do not mind doing anything wrong to their own countrymen. Is a very common disease with us and we must know that we should not overdo it. If we do it, if we overdo it, the relapse comes to it in the form of so many diseases; physically and mentally we get diseased. Such people can become mentally absolutely obsessed. They might become blind; they might become very, what you call, dislocated people. Their old age would be very difficult. They might develop gangrene and they may develop even terrible heart troubles, heart attacks, all these things that follow because if you are overdoing such a thing it can work out. But surprisingly, it is a very great surprise, that when you indulge too much into your emotions, we feel the person is getting a heart attack because such a person will cry and weep and say all those things. But actually, if you show to the doctor he`ll say there is no heart attack. Actually what happens that when you indulge too much into the left hand side, your brain goes out. See how the nature has balanced it. In any lunatic asylum, you go and find out, there won’t be one heart attack. They will look like that but actually if you see, you will not find even one person dying of heart attack, because the brain is affected. We are working with our heart and the brain goes out - see the balance the nature has got. So going to the extremes are controlled by the brain. On the left hand side, one has to be careful as to how far you go. Seeker: What is meant by going left side? Shri Mataji: Now, that is what I am trying to say is to be very emotional, very emotional. You see, here I`ll say ghazalbaaz log, there are many here, I know that they`re very fond of ghazals. Now, these ghazals are… some of them are sung in the name of God, in Milan [Ed- Union], in meeting with God. In meeting whatever is sung, is beautiful. But all the time singing of separation is the beginning of the end. Then you start feeling you are so miserable. You will have thousands of things around, but still you will be miserable. You think, “Oh what a miserable life I have, I am good for nothing. I have done this thing wrong.” You will be torturing your wife and sulking about it. You won’t talk to her. She will say that “Why are you not talking to me,” and you will say, “I am so moody.” This is the beginning; It starts like that. Then you start reading things how people have been tortured, what has happened to them, then with that you start also going… you see, the attention starts moving on the left hand side. Then you`ll start attention on the dead. I met the other day a very young girl, very young you won’t believe, hardly twenty-one, just engaged, very good girl, she had… left side was all finished. I said, “What books are you reading?” because I could not think of anything else in her case. And she gave me this third eye fellow and then… what is that another one? I don’t know, so many names she gave. They are discussing all about the dead and the devil. Why do you want, I asked her, to read about a devil? Are you going to become a devil? I mean the thing is, the knowledge which you are not going to use, why do you want to get into? So, indulging all these things take you to that. Then, further, you can go to some guru who is an expert on preta-vidya, smashana-vidya, bhoota-vidya. This subject is so stunning, you can`t imagine how they mesmerized. They mesmerize you and create confidence in you. You`ll be amazed that in Sahaja Yoga now though we have been working for so many years, of course I am little shy of publicity because I sometimes I think if you publicize too much we`ll get all kinds of wrong people, but still whatever publicity we have been making, we have not been able to attract so many people as these fake gurus have. Though they take lots of money, people pay them money, do all kinds of things. Despite that people have been going to them. The reason is they have mesmerizing power. They just mesmerize you. Now how the mesmerism starts? See, even from - when we are religious people, mesmerism can start. Like, you go to the temple. The gentleman who`s sitting there will sell you some sort of a thread. You will be amazed - that thread itself may mesmerize. Then you`ll go to the same temple, every time you must go. If you do not go, you feel very funny, all that. You will give money, money, money to this man till you discover that something is gone wrong with you. Your memory has gone off. You can’t think; something is going wrong in your brain. The brain starts degenerating, when you get into these things. Too much of outburst of your emotions should be controlled and you should keep in the center. But that does not mean that you should be unemotional. We are at one extreme in India; that`s why I am stressing it too much that we are too much attached to things, which we should not be. To our family, everyone. We should not be attached to that extent that we do not even care for our self realization. I`ve seen people who come with their children here and they’ll say, “Mother first cure our child.” But what’s the use? You see, I cure the child, but what about you getting the realization which is the important thing? For them there may be more… most I can do for them is to cure their children, that they don’t care even for their self realization. Now this left side problem, as I must tell you, is accentuated by… [FV: tape 2-4 ends here] [FV: tape 3-4 starts here] in a very subtle way like as if they are Gods. For example, I don’t know in Delhi but in Bombay there are many women who get Devi into them like they are maid servants or somebody who washes the clothes or something like that, she gets the Devi in her. Then she goes on, “Hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo… like that, and people fall at her feet. Now, this is nothing but a possession. It’s a possession. It’s a regular possession. Devi… how can you bear the Devi like that when you do not know even how to bear your life? Devi doesn’t enter into such wretched women who are good for nothing; they have no holiness in them. How can Devi enter into them? But people think there is the Devi has come in them, it’s very great, and they fall at her feet. The I.G., D.I.G. in Bombay has told me that in the villages this left side working is getting stronger and stronger and there are many people who are still like that. There was regular cases going on; there were lots of them but one of them was brought to my notice and then, with Sahaja Yoga, we could find out the culprit. These forces work out on people who have weak minds in the sense that who are very, sort of very emotional, on the left hand side. Also right hand side there are problems but left hand side I am saying. So one should not be hard like a hard boiled egg, but one should not be in such a way that you can be influenced by these negative forces on the left hand side. Now we can see in the West, in the beginning they were very hard headed people, had no attachment. Even today, you won’t believe that in England everyday two children are killed by their parents. Can you believe it? Regular children, there`s nothing wrong with them, are killed by parents, everyday two children, in England. This is the statistics of England. So you can imagine what must be of America? So they, they think they are detached; they don’t mind even killing their parents or killing their children. This is going to the other extreme of the thing is, and that is the right hand side which I`ll tell you later on. So, first of all understand that emotions are to be guided by your wisdom. Any emotion that has no wisdom is useless. Actually emotions are nothing but expression of your love and if the love is not collective it has no meaning. For example, love is like a sap which rises in the tree. It goes to the flower, it goes to the leaves, it goes everywhere and when it reaches a point where it is just stagnated, say example, in one flower, the whole tree will die and the whole flower will die. In the same way, when we get ourselves completely involved into our family, into our only children and think of nobody else, we do the same thing to our love. We get stagnated; our children may exploit it and may become very bad children. They may take it for granted. They may become so horrid to that they would… might be criminals. They can be very spoiled children, good for nothing and they may not be able to do anything in life. We have seen many children of very fond parents are spoiled like that and they are sometimes, all their lives are dependent and are parasites. Left handed people are mostly parasitic by nature. They are very parasitic, we start the parasitic by, say, we, we ask somebody to look after. Especially in India I think is a very common thing, we depend on servants. We have to depend only on our parents for love for affection and also for support and money, and the parents go out of their way to help the children because their parents have done. That we have to do. But that doesn’t mean we should exploit them. Exploitation of such things can cause left hand problem because gradually what will happen that your own right hand side will be absolutely underdeveloped, which is the will power, will be absolutely underdeveloped and you will be good for nothing. So we have to understand that left handed side has one beginning, ends up into many things and the worst of all is what you call the epilepsy part, or you can say the lunacy part or when we say a person has gone [not clear]. These things can come in. So be careful about it and don’t go into too many indulgences of anything. But specially with gurus. You may not like it but I have to tell you that most of these gurus who are selling religion, who are selling their methods are attacking, most of them, left hand side. There are some who are attacking also right hand side. What they do is to give you a mantra. For example somebody gives you a mantra of, say, with Shiva. Now, one does not know whether the mantra is to be said or not, where it is to be said, why Shiva’s mantra has to be given and on what Chakra it is there, for what it is to be used. They just give you: “Call the name of Shiva.” Now Shiva is the highest state, you know that. And you cannot take the name of God just like that. Supposing you have to go and see somebody here, somebody, an ordinary person. Even if you have to see somebody like a minister or someone - which is nothing compared to God or even a Prime Minister is nothing compared to God - you have to take help from so many people. There is a protocol, you have to take permission then you go there. But for God everybody is there. Just calling, “Shiva, Shiva, Shiva.” Is He your servant, the way you order Him about?” You look after my job; You look after this; You do this; every time you will take His name and say do this and do that. This way when you start working, your left side starts getting off. Now, this is so common to give a name; even people come and ask me, “Mother give us a name”. What name? You see, the Kundalini rises according to its own condition. Supposing your Kundalini has stopped at the Nabhi Chakra then we have to take the name at the Nabhi Chakra, isn’t it? But supposing the Kundalini (is) stopping at Nabhi Chakra and you are taking the name at Agnya Chakra, what`s the use? Because your Agnya Chakra has nothing to do. Moreover, the person who is raising the Kundalini has to be authorized. He should be able to raise the Kundalini with enlightened mantra. The mantra is not enlightened - any Dick, Tom and Harry is taking God’s name. You have to enlighten your mantra. And how do you enlighten it? By becoming yourself, by becoming your Atma. When the Atma light falls in you or you emit Atma’s light, when this vibration start flowing through you, when you get your Atmasakshatkar, then, then alone you can raise the Kundalini because then alone your mantras are enlightened. Anybody who thinks that his mantras are alright, he`s taking this mantra and that mantra, he should know that he is spoiling that particular Chakra. Supposing you are taking Shiva’s mantra, you`ll be amazed (that) you`ll be catching at the heart very easily. If you are taking Krishna’s Mantra, you`ll be amazed, you`ll be spoiling your Krishna’s place. It is such a dangerous thing to do. For example, I would say, now this is an instrument I don`t know how to handle. Now I tell you I do not know whether I have to speak from here or from there, I don’t know even if it is for speaking or not. Supposing I use this for hammering, what will happen to this thing? [Transcriber words: Shri Mataji is speaking about mike]. I have to know everything, isn’t it? I have to know the whole science. I have to know where the Kundalini is, how it is rising. The difference between other yogis and Sahaja Yogis is this that Sahaja Yogis know how to handle the situation. They know how to raise the Kundalini; they know how to put it up and they know what is the problem of others is. This is the only difference between ordinary yogis and Sahaja Yogis because the yogis that are in this world actually are very few. Those are of very great heights also do not want to come on stage. They say, “Let us remain somewhere hidden. We do not want to talk to people because they will not understand us, they will crucify us.” I have known many of them like that. They just don’t want to come. The real people are not willing to come down because they have to tell the truth and you are not going to listen to truth. You have crucified people, those who told you the truth. You like people who will pamper your ego: “Oh, you are a very nice man.” But a person who says the truth, nobody has liked so far. How have you treated other people, you know that. I need not tell you. But you dare not treat Me that way because I know how to handle the situation. It’s a very different situation today. Even Christ could have finished the whole world, could had finished the whole world but why he did not because that drama was to be played. He just played the drama. Nobody can touch a person who is above everything, but you try to do that (and) you will be harmed and you will know that the harming will come to you in a way that your Kundalini won’t rise; nothing is going to happen to Kundalini. So, with this thing we should come to the point that the left side persons are mostly people who live in artificialities in the sense that they live with artificial thoughts. They will be thinking in their head about the Aga Khan`s palace. Living in a hut, they will be thinking about Aga Khan`s palace that “Oh I am sitting in Aga Khan`s palace, this happened, that happened,” sort of thing. Not of the future that I have to live, but just “I am living there. It’s a very nice place. I am just there…” sort of thing. This is what is the problem with us that we do not want to face reality. To face reality one has to know that it is the most beautiful thing. It is the thing that we are seeking in life. Once you have the reality, you will be so amazed at yourself, that “All this beauty and all this wealth is within me” and “Oh, no , I wasn`t aware.” Is the source of complete joy which you have to achieve, which you have to receive. That’s all within you, you don’t have to run here and run there. You don’t have to do anything of this kind which is like, as I told you, going to the collective subconscious. Now in this one, you know that in our country, we have many people who try tantrikas and who go to other people like that. These are all, as I have told you, are all nothing but smashana-vidya, preta-vidya or bhoota-vidya. But in that also what do we seek is that “What about my father, what about my mother, what about my job?” and all that. Now, these people, they may tell you something. Because these people are, have empowered some of the spirits. I am giving you all the details so that you should know all about it. They’ve empowered some spirits, they have some spirits in their hands by which they know many things. For example they will also tell you what was your father’s name. Maybe they might also tell you why you have come there, with whom you have come, your name. They will do lots of things like that. But don’t run after those things, which is not important. Why should God tell you what was your father’s name or what was your name? This is a simple thing; I mean God is not going to tell you these things. What God is going to give you is the Parama, is the eternal. He is not going to tell you all these things. Then also they can even tell you the name of the horse which is going to come in the races. They might tell you what is the number or other things that you do, I don’t know, some sort of what you call matkas and all that. All this nonsense is God going to do for you? What are you going to reduce God into, this nonsense? But many people, you know, indulge - that’s the sign of superficiality, they have no depth. They have no depth and they indulge into such horrible things and go and ask people such questions that “What is going to happen?” You know, to Me also they ask. They have asked Me horse’s number, they have asked me all sorts of things. It’s most amazing, you know, and to such an extent that countries like America and Russia are indulging it. You`ll be amazed they are indulging into it. And if I tell them they won’t listen, but it’s a fact. They are all indulging into you under the name of E.S.P. Once they came to me [UNCLEAR], actually three of them. They are scientists or something, I don’t remember their names. But there was one Patanjali Shastri or Patanjali who was the editor in one of the magazines and he also was in ’Times of India’, I don’t know. He is the one [UNCLEAR]. He brought them. But he didn’t come himself because he knew I won`t like it. And they came to me and they said, “Mother we want to fly in the air. We want to leave our body and become astral”. I said, “Why? You are all going to the moon? Now why do you want to do it?” Said, “No Mother we must do, we must have this astral body. We want to go through the astral body somehow or other help us to get this astral body thing.” “And why do you want? It is a work of a dead spirit. A dead spirit will come into you and give you this astral body formation. Now do you want some dead body to overpower you? Do you want that? You`ll be losing your freedom which you, you think is the highest thing and you will be losing that freedom?” “Yes still we will have it.” I said, “Why?” He said, “Because Russians are doing it.” I said, “Really? I didn’t know that Russians are doing it.” They said, “No, we, we must outwit them.” I said “If they are doing wrong don’t go into it.” I told them very frankly. But I don’t know. they don’t want to listen to me. This is it. We must know that when the body… you see many people have this experience of leaving the body. That is the experience of a spirit coming into you. That’s not a very good experience. But what amazed me the most in this incident was this Patanjali himself was to do this - to leave his body. His wife was very much worried and this and that, and she came to me and she said that “Mother somehow save this husband of mine, I`m worried about him and this is happening.” Because she knew it was wrong and through Me she wants to cure that man. That fellow should send these people to get bhoots into them? And when they give you initiation, they initiate a bhoot into you, [unclear]. All this absurd things are done by such developed countries like [unclear] and Russia and [unclear - gap]. Then what’s going to happen to them? They will be in the cult of satans. They will be empowered by satanic forces. How I am to tell them that don’t indulge into all these things and we are the great generators of this horrible Cult? We are exporting them. We are sending them abroad and here also I find everywhere in every corner such tantrikas are sitting. Now we have here some people who came to me after they had such experiences of tantrikas. Their families are ruined, they are absolutely finished, they are good for nothing and they have lost their jobs and everything is finished, and tantrika is still flowering. Because for them, those who come they will exploit, again they`ll have another person, another person. That’s why I want to warn you not to indulge into such things which are wrong, which are left sided. Now the worst thing what we do very easily is, to get into left hand side, is to drink, is to drink. Now I don’t say you don’t drink just now because half of you may leave. But you get your realization and then you cannot drink, even if you want to. Drinking, drugging, all those things take you to the left. What happened in England? Why people started drinking? It is not because of cold so much I would say. But why today? If you go in England you will be surprised half of the people are drunk in the pubs. Why it has happen there is this because they had ego oriented life, right handed. Too much ego they developed, developed such a lot of ego that they wanted to run away from their ego. So they didn`t know what to do, so their children ran away from the houses, they took to drugs. So that they run away from reality that is ego for them, they see the ego the horrid they are. The way they are oppressing others. So they want to get out of it and that’s why they are taking drugs. Now in India our young people, you see, they want to be westernized, sophisticated. Not understanding why they are drinking. They are just drinking because others are drinking, they are just taking drugs because others are taking. Because they are hippies, they think that ”we should be hippies so that we will be very sophisticated.” This is a wrong idea. They are doing it out of search with intensity, they are really searching people, very deeply searching, and they give up drinks and drugs just like that. I have thousands of [bad tape] in England itself who have given up everything just like that. Overnight. Overnight they have given up everything, but Indians are difficult. Though they get realization very fast and they are very good at realization, they lose it also very fast. The reason is because you do not know your value as Indians. I`ve being telling since yesterday that you are Indians, you are greats souls to be born in India. Gregoire himself said so that you are the people who are highest in spirituality. But what’s the use of telling you when you don’t want to believe Me? It is like sometimes a beggar is told that “you are the king.” He can’t believe it. Even if you put him on the throne, he`ll be getting up every time. He won’t believe because he`s used to begging. Even if you glue him down there, he - if anybody is passing by – will say, “Give me five rupees”. This is the way we are. We are great, no doubt; there`s nothing to be confused about it, you are great people. But we are so habituated; we have been so much put down because of three hundred years of our slavery. Then, you see, we thought we have lost faith in ourselves. We think we are poor people. I mean, what is poverty after all? What is their afluence? Is nothing but plastic. Now after all this thing, you will know who is poor and who is rich. Are they… now how they are going to exist morning till evening, what are they going to do? You see, even they cannot calculate two plus two. For that also they have to use a calculator. How are they going to exist? Their brains are out, their bodies are out, they can`t walk for ten, ten minutes. They get exhausted. Thank God that we are not that rich. Thank God. That kind of an affluence has ruined them completely. Of course I don’t say that we should be beggars. But think that God has saved us from many problems because we have got limited resources, we have lived with maryadas. If we did not have maryadas we would have been drinking, we would have been drinking like them, drugging, smoking, spoiling our children. The children would have been running away, wives would be running away, husbands would be running away. There would have been no society. Thank God that this limited amount that we get has delimited us and we have not crossed those things that they have crossed, those barriers. They are so foolish and so stupid and so idiotic. You may call Me that I am criticizing them but if you go and see for yourself nothing but laughing that’s the way you can live there. There are funny, funny things which I don’t know how to tell but there’s more[unclear] of people also, but when you go there you`ll be amazed how the people are there. You are much more wise. But in one thing you are lacking behind that is their young people are really seekers. They are not fashionable about it. We are fashionable about seeking. That’s not so. I would say, especially in England, I feel the young people of England are really wonderful beings. They are the best young people you can think of, I mean in England. If you see the quantity of them is much more. Of course we have very good seekers in other way also. The quantity of very deep seekers are in English people and young people they are very different from the English people we knew, just the opposite of them and this is something such a remarkable thing that tomorrow they might come here to teach you who is Adi Shakti, what is Adi Shakti. This is where we are today. We have no depth of any kind left in us because all of us have problems. We have no significance in life. We think we are useless; we are so confused about it. So, again I would request you to seek your [not clear] that you do not unnecessarily put yourself down and think that you, you are looking [not clear] you are apart, all these things. You are very much [unclear-bad tape]. Some of you do not get realization. First there are something wrong with your chakras, [unclear-bad tape] somewhere which are very good tomorrow. Very clearly I will be talking about it. Any gentleman who doesn’t want to face the truth leave that hall. But you can not [could be: STOP] Me from talking. That’s one thing for definite those who want to face the truth without feeling bad about it sit down here. I would also request you if possible we have a book very well written by Gregoire which is what I`ve told them, just due charges we have put on that. That is because it’s a very big book. It costs you about fifty rupees or something like that. Just the printing because I said no profit is to be made, I am very particular on that point, extremely particular. That’s how it’s just the printing charges that you should take after this program or before this program and go through it and see for yourself how the seeking works out. Now we have here today this program and tomorrow again I`m going to speak to you about (the) other two channels but you know that these things take time. First of all tomorrow I`ll be speaking about Ganesha center and I will speak about the right hand side channel which you [unclear - bad tape]clean. With this channel you develop the balloon of psyche which is called as a mana. So when we say that ‘mere man ne yeh kaha’ you should know that it may be somebody else coming in. So in our country you see that`s a regular thing [not clear – hindi sounds like ‘jab udhar man chahta nahin toh tuh door baith jaa’]. We want to guard ourselves against the mana’s dictation. We do not allow ourselves to drift into that mana’s state but if you start drifting into mana… Now he`s bringing tea, this is what I wanted to see… we are so frivolous. If somebody is bringing the tea, a little child is coming in, we must see. Everything we must record. Are we here sitting like Sarva Lokiteshvara that sitting, everything must be watched, anything. You see, on the way when people go, I`ve seen in India especially, all the advertisements must be there. If one is missing they`ll stop the car and read it. [Unclear sounds like what’s the use of it?] So, I am saying it’s a very serious thing. It’s a very serious thing and is [unclear sounds like ‘it’s the value that matters]. I`m speaking before you because [Unclear] I know you are, but if your attention is in the dust what am I to do? Your attention has [sounds like ‘to be alert’], that’s all. Then I’ll manage it. I’ll manage it and you’ll be surprised that how much powers are there, behind you. That all that is you I am going to tell you each and everything ‘guptatara guptatam’ everything that is not so far revealed to you only thing is keep yourself in the center. Today please go and buy some photographs, I don’t know if they are selling the photographs. They are simple things, just buy them and meditate this evening. Again tomorrow you come and we are going to again have a meditation thing. The more you expose to it, the better it will be. Go deeper into it, deeper into it. And then you will know what all these great saints and prophets have said. All the scriptures that have described that “to know yourself” is the aim of [unlcear]. May God bless you. Seeker: But we have seen you, we have seen you face to face. By using you, purchasing your photo... So in what way your photo is going to help us? Shri Mataji: Now, photo is a very authentic thing. You see, so far all the murtis and everything are not so authentic. Because there is vibrations passing through Me… I`ve discovered to My great amazement and joy that My photo has the same vibrations. So if you use the photograph you can work it out. If you don’t want to use the photograph it doesn’t work out to begin with. To begin with there is an aalamban of my photograph. But what is, why should you have objection to my photograph? If you could have Me there, why can`t you have My photograph? Supposing you have anybody`s photograph. See, you will have even Indira Gandhi’s photograph. You have everybody`s photograph. Why not Mine? What’s such an objection about Me? About it? I don’t understand. You’ll be amazed it emits cool vibrations. You see, this is the trouble. You`ll have everybody’s photograph. All kinds of nonsensical people you`ll have photograph. Seeker: We got your vibration right now? Shri Mataji: Right now, but when you will work on the photograph you will feel deeply. You see, because photograph will remain with you, you just try what I`m telling you. You just try what I`m telling you, you see by that I am not going to get anything, again. You see, you are used to a shopping spirit. You always do something as if you are shopping. Here you are not shopping. You are taking it. I`m giving. You are not giving Me anything, you cannot give. I am at a point where you cannot give Me. So you take it and how to take is very embarrassing but I have to tell you how to take it. I`ll have to also tell you how to sit before Me. What to do? You are such small children, you do not know. Maybe by doing certain things you may spoil your vibrations. You must know how to respect your Mother. If you do not know, all of them are within Me, all these great saints are sitting with Me. They will not like it, you see. So I have to tell you even that. Today only I was telling, its very embarrassing that I have to tell everything to them. Somebody I went to, they, they wanted to give me water. You see, they gave me in a plastic glass. I said it’s alright if they give Me in plastic glass. But it’s not all right otherwise. You must understand. This is not the way to give water to your Mother who is a Divine person. But you didn’t know, I am not saying anything, but respect. You just get some dirty glass and give it to Mother, is not the way it is to be done. You see, you must understand after all you come from a country which has samskaras, which knows what is a puja, what is a holy person is and everything is. And then when you know that, you should understand that this is very important for that whatever is needed has to be done. If you have a photograph of a wrong person your, house will be ruined. Even [unclear sounds like ‘diamond’] you have seen it happens. If you have the photograph of a holy person, everything will be alright. It is for your good. I am not going to gain anything out of it. And photograph is not that expensive that you should think about. First we start, just have. It`s the minimum price, I think one Rupee. If you can afford it I`ll be happy. Thank you. Chorus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasarswati, Mahakali, Trigunathmika, Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah… Shri Mataji : Aankh bandh kar lijiye. Aankh bandh kar lijiye , haath aise rakhiya… Chorus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasarswati, Mahakali, Trigunathmika, Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti, Mataji… Chorus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasarswati, Mahakali, Trigunathmika, Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Corus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini, Mokshadayini , Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Corus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini, Mokshadayini, Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Chorus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini, Mokshadayini, Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Shri Mataji (continues in Hindi): Ab accha hai bhaut logon ko? Ayi thandak? Seeker (speaks in Hindi): Mataji mujh ko to aayi… Another seeker (speaks in Hindi): Mujhe nahi aayee. Shri Mataji (continues in Hindi): Acha jinko aaye hai, ayse kitne log hain, haath oopar karein…	null	null	null	Public Program, "Mahakali Shakti". 8 February 1980. New Delhi, India. Sahaja Yogi: Two days ago I had the privilege to introduce Mataji at a temple in Delhi and there was a big crowd who came. This crowd, at the end of the program, was very eager to touch Mataji’s feet and once more I realized, how lucky and blessed you are in this country because your traditions, your upbringing has given you a deeper perception and better sensitivity to the dimension of spirituality. You seem to be more aware of the Divine than many other people, other countries and civilizations. This is why so many of us have come to India since, I would say, about twenty. The process began with this century, but especially after the World War II a great numbers of seekers of the West came to India to find what their own culture, own civilization could not give. This is the answer to a few basic questions of Iife, answer to the question of self fulfillment of the meaning of our destiny. Now, this story has been pathetic because there has been from this country thieves and crooks which have called themselves guru, and without any divine authorization they had led, or rather they had misled a great number of seekers. When I talked to Indian people about these things, they said, “We don’t believe in all these fake gurus. It is you, the foreigners, it is you the tourists who support them. You give money to these people, therefore they go on.” This is true. We are very naïve; we are very stupid in matters of spirituality. We can be easily befooled. For us you with the knowledge of your shastras are more likely to make out the difference between someone who is genuine and someone who is fake. Yet I would say that now, in the West, the era of the fake gurus is drawing to the end. I know very well a very senior intelligence officer in my country, and the police authority of Switzerland are absolutely fed up with Indian pseudo gurus. There is one Swami Omkarananda who is in jail in my county for fourteen years criminal indictment, and is charged of rape, black magic and all this… All this came in the newspaper under the headline of Indian Spirituality. Now I let you judge how helpful is it to the image of your country. This long and not very auspicious introduction lead me to tell you that there is one person which since very long has been telling the truth about all this phenomena, has been demystifying the fake gurus, the false prophets and has been exposing the true genuine authentic image of Hindu Spirituality to the seekers of all over the world, and this person is Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi. And therefore now is dawning the time in which She is going to be recognized. This process has started and nothing will stop it. I want to tell you as Indians that I have an extremely great respect for your country but, so that I can respect you also, you must feel the responsibility that you have toward the world. There is one thing that India can give to the world and this is guidance in this field where India has outdistanced all other countries - and this is spirituality. And there is one person which is at the edge of spiritual life today. Why? Who is this person? This person is the one who can raise Kundalini. This person is the one who can raise Kundalini at the mass level. This person is the one of which it has been said that once side glance of hers brings all prosperities. I have not accepted Mataji overnight. I had come to Her with a very analytical mind. I have watched Her for long until I realized how totally genuine She is. How totally caring and how totally selfless and, above all, how immensely powerful She is. Therefore, I have not the slightest doubt that Sahaja Yoga is going to achieve what God wants you to achieve. That is, the emancipation of all the seekers, the possibility for the [UNCLEAR] to get self realization. But I have doubts how seriously you in this country are going to take up Sahaja Yoga. We have made so many mistakes in the West that we know how dramatic the situation is. Europe is now in the fear of a third world war, in the fear of a worldwide energy crisis, in the fear of the consequences of a self-destroying society where the production process cannot be stopped, generate goods which are not necessary. We live in the Western civilization where family is destroyed, where one-third of the young couples get divorced; It’s very difficult to bring such a civilization on the right tracks again. Whereas in India you are much better prepared than we are to take out the message. You are much more dharmic then we are in the sense that you still respect woman, you have a sense of womanhood that [unclear -tape broken] on challenging. You are pious people. All these conditions should enable you to get self realization faster than we. The only question is do you realize the urgency of it? Do you realize the importance of it? Because your concern is very much with material things, material development, material security and because a tradition of religious orthodoxy has sometimes suggested that religion cannot be operative, practical and effective. Many of you, maybe, cannot perhaps see how immediate how immediately important it is in your daily life to experience [UNCLEAR] realization. It is ridiculous to talk to introduce Sahaja Yoga to your intelligence, that this talking is in itself all meaningless. What is meaningful is the experience of self-realization, the actualization of your own power. If you come here, just to hear another satsang, just by curiosity because Mataji is a very famous person and you want to know after all who She is, you will not go very far. But if you come here with a genuine heart, a heart which is asking God: “Please, I come here as Thy child, lead me to You,” then I can say with great confidence that you may reach now the end of your life`s long quest. It will take time for some of you to recognize who Mataji is. And we do not ask that you should recognize Her out of what we say. What we would like to suggest this evening is, grow into your inwardliness, get your own power, enter this new dimension of consciousness and from that point understand the importance, the greatness of what is happening to you, understand the immensity of the love and of the compassion of the one who has been able to grant this gift of self realization. We are now, in the West, over thousand people, many thousand people from all background. Some of us are gardeners, some of us are managers, some of us are poets, some of us do nothing, some of us are diplomats. And all of us, we have felt the Chaitanya, the vibrations coming out of the body of Mataji which has been described in the gospels as the wind of the Holy Spirit. We have felt our Kundalini rising. It is a fact. Either I am a liar, either I say the truth; but I say I have felt my own Kundalini, and I am not a great man, I am not a great spiritual person. I am a very common man who did a lot of mistakes. So that should point out to you how incredible Sahaja Yoga is that a simple common man like me can get his realization. And I am talking on behalf of thousands of people. We have only one concern at this stage. Is that you who are blessed to be born in this great country, in this country which has been protected, that you take up the message of truth. By so doing, not only you would do for yourself the greatest thing you possibly can, but you will spread the blessings of God on your whole family, you will bring the blessing of God on your own country. I know that this seems all far-fetched, that there are many people in town who speaks about these things. Therefore, I don’t give a lot of importance to my speech. But anyone who is honest and humble enough should be prepared to experience. For it is the scientific postulate that experimentation has to come first and conclusions last. And if there is this readiness in you, if there is this touch of humility which is very necessary then this evening and this series of talks on Sahaja Yoga will be a turning point in your life. I wish that I could better express, or what I feel for you, how deeply I wish that you get your Self Realization. How important is the time that we are living, it is a time which is short. I apologize for being such an inadequate messenger to announce Mataji. But the one who has to receive it is not your brain; your brain is basically useless to understand God, so was mine. This is what all the great saints have said: God can be recognized only by the heart. So let us humble down in our heart today and pray that we may all get the blessings of God. Shri Mataji: As I said yesterday, today we are going to start from the very beginning, since when this Sahaja Yoga started. When I talk to you, I’ve to again request that as a scientist you must keep your mind absolutely open and do not hang on to any point which comes up in your mind. But try to understand that whatever I am telling you is today may be a hypothesis for you but tomorrow it will become a complete scientific thing, for you have to understand the science of God’s love. Perhaps people cannot understand that all the sciences have come from God Almighty Himself. To understand God’s love and divinity one has to open oneself to that absolute position from where all relativity disappears. You are living in the atmosphere of relativity. We have to find out our absolute. Unless and until we find out our absolute, we are always in confusion and we think that this may be alright or that may be alright, if this is alright that could be alright. We try to decide everything through our rationality. As Gregoire has already told you, rationality is a limited means and I am talking of the unlimited. So if you have to go to unlimited, it has to be beyond the rationality. So with the open mind, I hope you’ll listen to me. After realization when the power starts flowing through you then you will be able to know how to maneuver it, how to understand it and how to keep it [SOUNDS LIKE: COOL? (position: 03.07)]. Like, one would explain about electricity first then give you an experiment with the electricity flowing and explain to you how to use it. By using the electricity you will be convinced that it is a scientific proof. I could have started the lecture from creation but that could be too much to begin with. I would start it from your own being. When you are a human being, you are not aware as to what are you inside. As far as your physical body is concerned, doctors only see the outside of your being. The inner subtle forces which are creating you, which are looking after you and which are making you exist, you are absolutely unaware of. In our being there is first of all is the power which enters into our being from right hand side and goes to the left hand side which we call as Mahakali Shakti, is the power of Mahakali. This Mahakali Shakti manifests within us a power which runs through the Ida Nadi. Now this Nadi, or this subtle channel, is inside the brain and inside the spinal cord. This being the energy, you cannot see it when it is dissected. For example, if you dissect this you won’t find the electricity here. This Ida Nadi on the left hand side gives us our existence and at the [eye? tape little broken 05.09] in the gross manifests our left sympathetic nervous system. We exist because of this Ida Nadi. This is also manifesting all our emotional side of life which comes from our past, so it has all the past that is within us. So Ida Nadi manifests, or we can say accumulates, all that is our past – atitt. This is our existence, we take it for granted that we exist [tape little broken,05.44], we do whatever we please in our Ahankara [Hindi/Sanskrit meaning ego], in our own understanding. We try to do our level best to destroy ourselves and we reach a point where we have to give up. This is all decided for you how long you have to exist. It is all predestined. If you have to die at a point you will die. There is no one who is going to stop that. So some people who come and tell Me, “Mother, somebody is dying or dead. Can you make him live?” If he has to live, he`ll definitely live. Only (faith) in the miracle of God makes you believe in Him; but your time of birth and death are absolutely destined, which must be accepted. It is not the way it is described in your Kundalis, or in your horoscopes. In the horoscope, for example, a gentleman was to die about 5-6 years back and he came to Me. He got his realization and he lived much longer after that; he’s still living. So he went to his pundit and he asked him, “How is it, you had predicted that I am going to die this year and still I am living?” Then he saw into the horoscope and he said, “By the way, did you meet any great spiritual personality?” He said, “I did meet someone.” He said, “That’s the reason. I should have told you that, that if you had met, if you meet this lady then this will be avoided.” And it was to be avoided, and he met Me. So in a way there is a sanyoga always. Because you are here, you should not think that you have deliberately come here but it was to be that you should be here. Now if you do not take the advantage of this sanyoga, that freedom is with you. But sanyogas are created by God. He organizes and arranges that you meet the right person that you get the right thing. But it is left to your freedom to choose the right or the wrong. Mostly we go according to our own whims and understanding. Even then if supposing our understanding was a pure understanding, and a simple understanding, we would know, we would be very sensitive to know who is the real person, who is not. But normally when we live we play with our existence, we try to minimize our sensitivity. This left side can be described also as a destructive side because if it does not exist, it is destructive, it destroys you. That’s why it is called also a destroying power. That by this power you can be destroyed. If you are not to be existing any more, the same power can destroy you. Now, this left side power is very important and is very, very vital for our country, specially, where we have traditions within us. Left sided people, those who are indulging into left side too much, are very emotional and they take to bhakti. If they take to bhakti they`ll go on calling God and working on that and doing all kinds of emotional expressions to get to God. This bhakti cult developed into our country, God knows how many years back, but has been working and there have been many people who have been getting into this bhakti cult. But when you cross a certain limit of this left side, you enter into collective sub-conscious area. If this is the sub-conscious then you go beyond that. If you go into collective sub-conscious, then you might find yourself attacked by people whom you do not know, or maybe you know, and that’s how we get people who get possessed. All your emotional problems, all your mental problem which are called as a lunacy and all that, are coming because of the defective behavior in this area. If you go into the left side area, as I told you, by any means like supposing some people are very fond of going through the cemeteries. I don’t know why, but they have… there are some funny people like that. We had a doctor in London, he is a Russian doctor but now he is in Australia. He came to Me and he had a problem on this left hand side, Ida Nadi. And I was amazed. I said how can this doctor from Russia and living in Australia and now in London can have such a problem like that. I asked him several questions, “Do you live near a cemetery, or do you have somebody dead in your family? Have you wept for someone, somebody has shocked you or what has happened that this left side is so weak in you? Or have you indulged into too much of drug-taking or something like that?” He said, “None. Shri Mother, I have not done anything like that neither have I been this way.” Then I said, “You try to remember.” Then he remembered that his grandmother was very fond of going to the cemetery and in his childhood she used to take him in the pram. Then she… when he was walking also she used to take him. Until he was quite old, she always used to take him to that cemetery. Just imagine. It’s such a funny thing that we do not know in our past how we have indulged into this left hand side activity. Now, in our country whatever traditions we have had all of them mostly come from the great saints, who have meditated. Not most of them, but I would say quite a lot of them. But we cannot say (that) there is not a single tradition which is wrong in India. But the traditions can get perverted later on; but basically if you see, our traditions are very sensible. Like, when a person dies whatever rituals we have is a very, very sensible ritual. We Indians are not aware of it, the rituals that we do. Of course in that when the Brahmins start taking money, that’s the perversion. Nobody should take money if somebody is dying. It`s very sinful to do that because he`ll be affected by the left hand side attacks. Those people who do all this kind of work and earned money out of the deaths of others are very dangerously placed. Moreover. when you also find that somebody is dead in your family… so many people when they come to me, I find left hand side is a problem in India. The reason is this – if somebody is dead, say the father has died early or a mother has died early, then people start worrying about that person. If father has died at a very early age, supposing in the case of a girl, she feels very insecure. All the time she is thinking about him. Then that kind of a mind can create a problem on the left hand side and we have to clear it out. It is that’s why very important what we do in India if [tape little broken] somebody dies is to [UNCLEAR – tape broken] play the band and all that so that our idea is get out of it. Those people have died, have gone to another world. They have to go. They are not to hang around here and we are not to keep them back and keep them under our bondage of our emotions. This we should understand. You see, in modern times, we just give up everything that was old. It`s a very wrong thing. Because, whatever they have discovered is of eternal. I`ve seen people, even if you tell them that you forget, forget about it, now don’t worry about it, they won’t listen. And then you find them getting into serious diseases like epilepsy, into lunacy and other mental troubles. Specially among women we find hysteria develops if this kind of a problem is there. Now it is not easy to believe into a thing that there is something like dead bodies hanging around. It’s very, very difficult for any educated man to believe into such a nonsense, but they do. You have to know that they do exist. Now that doesn’t means that you believe in their powers but that you must know that they exist and that’s why you have to keep in your maryadas. You have to keep in the center and don’t go too much on one side. In bhakti also when people overdo it like if they start weeping and crying and saying that “Oh Lord, You must come and give us some darshan” or something like that morning till evening they fast and they say that “Unless and until You appear before us, we are going to die.” All these things when you try, is emotional style of working it out. You cannot achieve it because this is your Manasa, this is your mind. Through your mind you cannot achieve God. By crying and weeping, you`ll go into tantrums. You`ll do all kinds of nonsensical things that people may think you are madcap. They might think you are just acting or they… I don’t know what they will think, but you do not achieve anything by this kind of crying. For example now we have in India a… I mean it started here I think, this Hare Rama Hare Krishna cult. These people are so funny that in Oxford Street if you go in London you`ll find them wearing those dhotis and saris. They don’t know how to wear and how to carry on with that and taking a dhoti in the hand and with great gusto they are going on “Hare Rama Hare Krishna, Hare Rama Hare Krishna” and the sari falls off and the dhoti falls off and they also wears those [bodhis?16.16] you see which are attached to the thing with a little clamp, I think or[UNCLEAR] or something. Because they don’t have so they have to buy it in the market. They have made a market out of it. They are selling all these things in the market. They are selling the dhotis, they are selling this, they don’t know how to wear dhotis and there`s somebody who will make you wear. They shave off their hair, they do all these things. Mother (speaks in Hindi): Baith jaiye, uthiye nahin bicch mein. Logon ka attention bahut sensitive hota hai. Koi khara ho gaya toh aap zaroor use dekhenge. Seeker (speaks in Hindi): Dekhiye, itna critical hona thik nahi hai. Shri Mataji (continues in Hindi): Aacha aap, aapko, aap bahar jaaiye kyonki aap ke samajh mein aane nahi wala kyon critical hain. Aap bahar jaaiye. Seeker (continues in Hindi): Nahin, nahin Shri Mataji (continues in Hindi): Hame jo kehna hai, kehne dijiye. Dekhiye, Hame jo kehna hai kehne dijiye. Aap se kya matlab hai. Jahan critical hai, wahan critical hona hai. Woh toh aapko patha nahi ki Christ ne toh hunter leke mara tha in logon ko. Ham toh kam se kam shabon se hi bol rahe hain. Jo baat jhoot hai woh jhoot hai aur jo saach hai who saach hai aur woh kahne mein hamaari himmat hai uski aap dath dein. Aapko, aapko abhi uska andaaza hua nahi hai na. Aage ki sun lijiye ek minute. Accha, usse... Shri Mataji: What has happened with that? Why I`m criticizing? Or with all this when they come to me, they have the cancer of the throat, now will you cure that. Will you clear that? It is very easy for you to shout here, this is not a political meeting that you come and talk. Seeker: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: No. But you should understand what I am talking. They are suffering from cancer of the throat. Seeker (speaks in Hindi): [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji (speaks in Hindi): Dekhiye, aapko accha nahi lagta hai toh aap bahar chale jayiye. Jo mujhe kahna hai woh main kahoongi aapko sunna hai, sunein Another Seeker: It is better she is critical. By critical mind… being critical-minded, you can understand better. Shri Mataji: After all, I am not going to say that you go and do the same thing. You know, these boys when they come to me they are suffering from cancer of the throat. Now, is this gentleman going to cure? I have cured them and I have to go through it. What has he done so far that he is talking? He should keep quiet because he doesn’t know anything, he has no authority just now. Another Seeker: Yes Shri Mataji: And please understand that this is not the way to listen to Me. I`ll say what I have to say, I am not afraid of anyone. And if anything is wrong, I am going to say it even if you crucify Me. Another Seeker: Very good Shri Mataji: Now this, this is what I was going to that if you do such a thing, extraordinary thing, you develop cancer. Yesterday only I had said. How do you get into sympathetic activity? I am just telling you this is how you get into left hand sympathetic attitude. And do you know cancer is caused by left hand problem not by the right hand which is physical? Just have some patience about it. This kind of nonsense if you start doing in the house, and if you get tomorrow the cancer… Now I`ll tell you exactly the name of the person and everything, I`m not afraid of anything because I have cured. I`ve got the proof of it and I can show you that. That was Dr. Mulay, you can contact him. I don’t know if he has come today. He sent one boy to me, only twelve year old boy suffering from leukemia, twelve year old boy. And he came to me, he was suffering from leukemia and when I went into his history and all that I couldn’t find any trace of his father going into any guru or any wrong type of a person. But when I asked him about his grandfather with whom this little boy was living, he had a guru and I also know the name of the guru, and this boy was suffering from leukemia. Now Mohammad Sahab has told us the methods how to get rid of these horrible gurus. You have to write the name of the guru and beat him with shoes. That’s the only way you can cure. Now, at that time nobody would say that you don’t criticize, because the child is twelve-year old, suffering from leukemia, will die within one month’s time. In all compassion, think of it how dangerous it is. And I should not warn? I am your Mother. I am not here for any political leadership or any sort of an election. In all compassion I am telling you that don’t indulge into such things. Now this fellow, when he got leukemia and his father told Me, I told him that you beat him with shoes. He called his father, his father also had to beat that guru. You can ask Dr. Mulay there was no trace of leukemia, within three days he cured. But we had to work hard. I am not here to cure people. Why not I take precautionary measures? Supposing there is something wrong with the penicillin, wont you say that there is something wrong with the penicillin? Is it criticism? Why should I criticize? What do I gain by that? I`m not earning any money out of you people. I`m not living on your any support. Why should I not criticize something that is to be criticized? Whatever is to be said, has to be said by somebody. Somebody must have that much guts, say whatever is right is right and whatever is wrong is wrong [the listeners applause]. So we come to this left side problem which I must tell you and warn you that if you go too much on the left hand side a kind of very funny situation develops to such an extent, you`ll be surprised. We have another boy in… his name is Ronny, in London. He is a very well educated boy, everything, and all the time what he does? He is crying. He`s doing no work, sleeping in the bed. His name is Ronny… I said this in Hindi is Roni [everyone laughs]. We call it roni-surat, that’s was he was, and his mother is fed up of him. Thrice I sent him to his mother then she said, “Mother I cannot bear this boy, he is just doing nothing, crying.” I said, “What did you do?” You won’t believe if I tell you what he did, that how these things happen. He read Lord Byron, by heart. By reading such things, it works on your mind all these ideas of separation, ideas… I mean, he is not in separation at all, nothing wrong with him, but you start identifying. Human beings have a habit to identify. When you start identifying with such things, you do get into troubles, and when you get into troubles you get direct to the lunatic asylum without even knowing that you are getting mad. Madness, lunacy… Yesterday only there was a boy here who said, “Mother, I have become mad now. They are going to put me to the lunatic asylum.” Among you he was sitting and he came and told Me. Now if I discover what sort of a thing he had, should I not tell you that this is the reason why people become mad and you just don’t do it? We must understand that we always overdo things. Ati. Ati sadaa varjet. That’s why it is written that it should be given up. We should keep to our maryadas: don’t go too much emotional also, nor too much intellectual, nor too much physical, but keep a middle path of everything. I am telling you this because this is one extreme I am describing, to which we go. We Indians are specially gifted by emotional beauty, that’s no doubt, but sometimes the way we are attached to things can take us to very wrong things. Like, we may be attached to our family. It`s a very good thing, you must do for your family, you must do for your children. In Sahaja Yoga there is no place for any sanyasi. There is no place at all for any sanyasi but that does not mean that you sell your country in the name of love. There are people, you know, who can sell their country. Now this is a country where persons like Shri Rama have been able to send the wife, the One who was the power behind Him, in the jungle just to have a proper public opinion. While we have people in this country you know that for definite. So many of them are there that just to look after their children, they do not mind doing anything wrong to their own countrymen. Is a very common disease with us and we must know that we should not overdo it. If we do it, if we overdo it, the relapse comes to it in the form of so many diseases; physically and mentally we get diseased. Such people can become mentally absolutely obsessed. They might become blind; they might become very, what you call, dislocated people. Their old age would be very difficult. They might develop gangrene and they may develop even terrible heart troubles, heart attacks, all these things that follow because if you are overdoing such a thing it can work out. But surprisingly, it is a very great surprise, that when you indulge too much into your emotions, we feel the person is getting a heart attack because such a person will cry and weep and say all those things. But actually, if you show to the doctor he`ll say there is no heart attack. Actually what happens that when you indulge too much into the left hand side, your brain goes out. See how the nature has balanced it. In any lunatic asylum, you go and find out, there won’t be one heart attack. They will look like that but actually if you see, you will not find even one person dying of heart attack, because the brain is affected. We are working with our heart and the brain goes out - see the balance the nature has got. So going to the extremes are controlled by the brain. On the left hand side, one has to be careful as to how far you go. Seeker: What is meant by going left side? Shri Mataji: Now, that is what I am trying to say is to be very emotional, very emotional. You see, here I`ll say ghazalbaaz log, there are many here, I know that they`re very fond of ghazals. Now, these ghazals are… some of them are sung in the name of God, in Milan [Ed- Union], in meeting with God. In meeting whatever is sung, is beautiful. But all the time singing of separation is the beginning of the end. Then you start feeling you are so miserable. You will have thousands of things around, but still you will be miserable. You think, “Oh what a miserable life I have, I am good for nothing. I have done this thing wrong.” You will be torturing your wife and sulking about it. You won’t talk to her. She will say that “Why are you not talking to me,” and you will say, “I am so moody.” This is the beginning; It starts like that. Then you start reading things how people have been tortured, what has happened to them, then with that you start also going… you see, the attention starts moving on the left hand side. Then you`ll start attention on the dead. I met the other day a very young girl, very young you won’t believe, hardly twenty-one, just engaged, very good girl, she had… left side was all finished. I said, “What books are you reading?” because I could not think of anything else in her case. And she gave me this third eye fellow and then… what is that another one? I don’t know, so many names she gave. They are discussing all about the dead and the devil. Why do you want, I asked her, to read about a devil? Are you going to become a devil? I mean the thing is, the knowledge which you are not going to use, why do you want to get into? So, indulging all these things take you to that. Then, further, you can go to some guru who is an expert on preta-vidya, smashana-vidya, bhoota-vidya. This subject is so stunning, you can`t imagine how they mesmerized. They mesmerize you and create confidence in you. You`ll be amazed that in Sahaja Yoga now though we have been working for so many years, of course I am little shy of publicity because I sometimes I think if you publicize too much we`ll get all kinds of wrong people, but still whatever publicity we have been making, we have not been able to attract so many people as these fake gurus have. Though they take lots of money, people pay them money, do all kinds of things. Despite that people have been going to them. The reason is they have mesmerizing power. They just mesmerize you. Now how the mesmerism starts? See, even from - when we are religious people, mesmerism can start. Like, you go to the temple. The gentleman who`s sitting there will sell you some sort of a thread. You will be amazed - that thread itself may mesmerize. Then you`ll go to the same temple, every time you must go. If you do not go, you feel very funny, all that. You will give money, money, money to this man till you discover that something is gone wrong with you. Your memory has gone off. You can’t think; something is going wrong in your brain. The brain starts degenerating, when you get into these things. Too much of outburst of your emotions should be controlled and you should keep in the center. But that does not mean that you should be unemotional. We are at one extreme in India; that`s why I am stressing it too much that we are too much attached to things, which we should not be. To our family, everyone. We should not be attached to that extent that we do not even care for our self realization. I`ve seen people who come with their children here and they’ll say, “Mother first cure our child.” But what’s the use? You see, I cure the child, but what about you getting the realization which is the important thing? For them there may be more… most I can do for them is to cure their children, that they don’t care even for their self realization. Now this left side problem, as I must tell you, is accentuated by… [FV: tape 2-4 ends here] [FV: tape 3-4 starts here] in a very subtle way like as if they are Gods. For example, I don’t know in Delhi but in Bombay there are many women who get Devi into them like they are maid servants or somebody who washes the clothes or something like that, she gets the Devi in her. Then she goes on, “Hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo… like that, and people fall at her feet. Now, this is nothing but a possession. It’s a possession. It’s a regular possession. Devi… how can you bear the Devi like that when you do not know even how to bear your life? Devi doesn’t enter into such wretched women who are good for nothing; they have no holiness in them. How can Devi enter into them? But people think there is the Devi has come in them, it’s very great, and they fall at her feet. The I.G., D.I.G. in Bombay has told me that in the villages this left side working is getting stronger and stronger and there are many people who are still like that. There was regular cases going on; there were lots of them but one of them was brought to my notice and then, with Sahaja Yoga, we could find out the culprit. These forces work out on people who have weak minds in the sense that who are very, sort of very emotional, on the left hand side. Also right hand side there are problems but left hand side I am saying. So one should not be hard like a hard boiled egg, but one should not be in such a way that you can be influenced by these negative forces on the left hand side. Now we can see in the West, in the beginning they were very hard headed people, had no attachment. Even today, you won’t believe that in England everyday two children are killed by their parents. Can you believe it? Regular children, there`s nothing wrong with them, are killed by parents, everyday two children, in England. This is the statistics of England. So you can imagine what must be of America? So they, they think they are detached; they don’t mind even killing their parents or killing their children. This is going to the other extreme of the thing is, and that is the right hand side which I`ll tell you later on. So, first of all understand that emotions are to be guided by your wisdom. Any emotion that has no wisdom is useless. Actually emotions are nothing but expression of your love and if the love is not collective it has no meaning. For example, love is like a sap which rises in the tree. It goes to the flower, it goes to the leaves, it goes everywhere and when it reaches a point where it is just stagnated, say example, in one flower, the whole tree will die and the whole flower will die. In the same way, when we get ourselves completely involved into our family, into our only children and think of nobody else, we do the same thing to our love. We get stagnated; our children may exploit it and may become very bad children. They may take it for granted. They may become so horrid to that they would… might be criminals. They can be very spoiled children, good for nothing and they may not be able to do anything in life. We have seen many children of very fond parents are spoiled like that and they are sometimes, all their lives are dependent and are parasites. Left handed people are mostly parasitic by nature. They are very parasitic, we start the parasitic by, say, we, we ask somebody to look after. Especially in India I think is a very common thing, we depend on servants. We have to depend only on our parents for love for affection and also for support and money, and the parents go out of their way to help the children because their parents have done. That we have to do. But that doesn’t mean we should exploit them. Exploitation of such things can cause left hand problem because gradually what will happen that your own right hand side will be absolutely underdeveloped, which is the will power, will be absolutely underdeveloped and you will be good for nothing. So we have to understand that left handed side has one beginning, ends up into many things and the worst of all is what you call the epilepsy part, or you can say the lunacy part or when we say a person has gone [not clear]. These things can come in. So be careful about it and don’t go into too many indulgences of anything. But specially with gurus. You may not like it but I have to tell you that most of these gurus who are selling religion, who are selling their methods are attacking, most of them, left hand side. There are some who are attacking also right hand side. What they do is to give you a mantra. For example somebody gives you a mantra of, say, with Shiva. Now, one does not know whether the mantra is to be said or not, where it is to be said, why Shiva’s mantra has to be given and on what Chakra it is there, for what it is to be used. They just give you: “Call the name of Shiva.” Now Shiva is the highest state, you know that. And you cannot take the name of God just like that. Supposing you have to go and see somebody here, somebody, an ordinary person. Even if you have to see somebody like a minister or someone - which is nothing compared to God or even a Prime Minister is nothing compared to God - you have to take help from so many people. There is a protocol, you have to take permission then you go there. But for God everybody is there. Just calling, “Shiva, Shiva, Shiva.” Is He your servant, the way you order Him about?” You look after my job; You look after this; You do this; every time you will take His name and say do this and do that. This way when you start working, your left side starts getting off. Now, this is so common to give a name; even people come and ask me, “Mother give us a name”. What name? You see, the Kundalini rises according to its own condition. Supposing your Kundalini has stopped at the Nabhi Chakra then we have to take the name at the Nabhi Chakra, isn’t it? But supposing the Kundalini (is) stopping at Nabhi Chakra and you are taking the name at Agnya Chakra, what`s the use? Because your Agnya Chakra has nothing to do. Moreover, the person who is raising the Kundalini has to be authorized. He should be able to raise the Kundalini with enlightened mantra. The mantra is not enlightened - any Dick, Tom and Harry is taking God’s name. You have to enlighten your mantra. And how do you enlighten it? By becoming yourself, by becoming your Atma. When the Atma light falls in you or you emit Atma’s light, when this vibration start flowing through you, when you get your Atmasakshatkar, then, then alone you can raise the Kundalini because then alone your mantras are enlightened. Anybody who thinks that his mantras are alright, he`s taking this mantra and that mantra, he should know that he is spoiling that particular Chakra. Supposing you are taking Shiva’s mantra, you`ll be amazed (that) you`ll be catching at the heart very easily. If you are taking Krishna’s Mantra, you`ll be amazed, you`ll be spoiling your Krishna’s place. It is such a dangerous thing to do. For example, I would say, now this is an instrument I don`t know how to handle. Now I tell you I do not know whether I have to speak from here or from there, I don’t know even if it is for speaking or not. Supposing I use this for hammering, what will happen to this thing? [Transcriber words: Shri Mataji is speaking about mike]. I have to know everything, isn’t it? I have to know the whole science. I have to know where the Kundalini is, how it is rising. The difference between other yogis and Sahaja Yogis is this that Sahaja Yogis know how to handle the situation. They know how to raise the Kundalini; they know how to put it up and they know what is the problem of others is. This is the only difference between ordinary yogis and Sahaja Yogis because the yogis that are in this world actually are very few. Those are of very great heights also do not want to come on stage. They say, “Let us remain somewhere hidden. We do not want to talk to people because they will not understand us, they will crucify us.” I have known many of them like that. They just don’t want to come. The real people are not willing to come down because they have to tell the truth and you are not going to listen to truth. You have crucified people, those who told you the truth. You like people who will pamper your ego: “Oh, you are a very nice man.” But a person who says the truth, nobody has liked so far. How have you treated other people, you know that. I need not tell you. But you dare not treat Me that way because I know how to handle the situation. It’s a very different situation today. Even Christ could have finished the whole world, could had finished the whole world but why he did not because that drama was to be played. He just played the drama. Nobody can touch a person who is above everything, but you try to do that (and) you will be harmed and you will know that the harming will come to you in a way that your Kundalini won’t rise; nothing is going to happen to Kundalini. So, with this thing we should come to the point that the left side persons are mostly people who live in artificialities in the sense that they live with artificial thoughts. They will be thinking in their head about the Aga Khan`s palace. Living in a hut, they will be thinking about Aga Khan`s palace that “Oh I am sitting in Aga Khan`s palace, this happened, that happened,” sort of thing. Not of the future that I have to live, but just “I am living there. It’s a very nice place. I am just there…” sort of thing. This is what is the problem with us that we do not want to face reality. To face reality one has to know that it is the most beautiful thing. It is the thing that we are seeking in life. Once you have the reality, you will be so amazed at yourself, that “All this beauty and all this wealth is within me” and “Oh, no , I wasn`t aware.” Is the source of complete joy which you have to achieve, which you have to receive. That’s all within you, you don’t have to run here and run there. You don’t have to do anything of this kind which is like, as I told you, going to the collective subconscious. Now in this one, you know that in our country, we have many people who try tantrikas and who go to other people like that. These are all, as I have told you, are all nothing but smashana-vidya, preta-vidya or bhoota-vidya. But in that also what do we seek is that “What about my father, what about my mother, what about my job?” and all that. Now, these people, they may tell you something. Because these people are, have empowered some of the spirits. I am giving you all the details so that you should know all about it. They’ve empowered some spirits, they have some spirits in their hands by which they know many things. For example they will also tell you what was your father’s name. Maybe they might also tell you why you have come there, with whom you have come, your name. They will do lots of things like that. But don’t run after those things, which is not important. Why should God tell you what was your father’s name or what was your name? This is a simple thing; I mean God is not going to tell you these things. What God is going to give you is the Parama, is the eternal. He is not going to tell you all these things. Then also they can even tell you the name of the horse which is going to come in the races. They might tell you what is the number or other things that you do, I don’t know, some sort of what you call matkas and all that. All this nonsense is God going to do for you? What are you going to reduce God into, this nonsense? But many people, you know, indulge - that’s the sign of superficiality, they have no depth. They have no depth and they indulge into such horrible things and go and ask people such questions that “What is going to happen?” You know, to Me also they ask. They have asked Me horse’s number, they have asked me all sorts of things. It’s most amazing, you know, and to such an extent that countries like America and Russia are indulging it. You`ll be amazed they are indulging into it. And if I tell them they won’t listen, but it’s a fact. They are all indulging into you under the name of E.S.P. Once they came to me [UNCLEAR], actually three of them. They are scientists or something, I don’t remember their names. But there was one Patanjali Shastri or Patanjali who was the editor in one of the magazines and he also was in ’Times of India’, I don’t know. He is the one [UNCLEAR]. He brought them. But he didn’t come himself because he knew I won`t like it. And they came to me and they said, “Mother we want to fly in the air. We want to leave our body and become astral”. I said, “Why? You are all going to the moon? Now why do you want to do it?” Said, “No Mother we must do, we must have this astral body. We want to go through the astral body somehow or other help us to get this astral body thing.” “And why do you want? It is a work of a dead spirit. A dead spirit will come into you and give you this astral body formation. Now do you want some dead body to overpower you? Do you want that? You`ll be losing your freedom which you, you think is the highest thing and you will be losing that freedom?” “Yes still we will have it.” I said, “Why?” He said, “Because Russians are doing it.” I said, “Really? I didn’t know that Russians are doing it.” They said, “No, we, we must outwit them.” I said “If they are doing wrong don’t go into it.” I told them very frankly. But I don’t know. they don’t want to listen to me. This is it. We must know that when the body… you see many people have this experience of leaving the body. That is the experience of a spirit coming into you. That’s not a very good experience. But what amazed me the most in this incident was this Patanjali himself was to do this - to leave his body. His wife was very much worried and this and that, and she came to me and she said that “Mother somehow save this husband of mine, I`m worried about him and this is happening.” Because she knew it was wrong and through Me she wants to cure that man. That fellow should send these people to get bhoots into them? And when they give you initiation, they initiate a bhoot into you, [unclear]. All this absurd things are done by such developed countries like [unclear] and Russia and [unclear - gap]. Then what’s going to happen to them? They will be in the cult of satans. They will be empowered by satanic forces. How I am to tell them that don’t indulge into all these things and we are the great generators of this horrible Cult? We are exporting them. We are sending them abroad and here also I find everywhere in every corner such tantrikas are sitting. Now we have here some people who came to me after they had such experiences of tantrikas. Their families are ruined, they are absolutely finished, they are good for nothing and they have lost their jobs and everything is finished, and tantrika is still flowering. Because for them, those who come they will exploit, again they`ll have another person, another person. That’s why I want to warn you not to indulge into such things which are wrong, which are left sided. Now the worst thing what we do very easily is, to get into left hand side, is to drink, is to drink. Now I don’t say you don’t drink just now because half of you may leave. But you get your realization and then you cannot drink, even if you want to. Drinking, drugging, all those things take you to the left. What happened in England? Why people started drinking? It is not because of cold so much I would say. But why today? If you go in England you will be surprised half of the people are drunk in the pubs. Why it has happen there is this because they had ego oriented life, right handed. Too much ego they developed, developed such a lot of ego that they wanted to run away from their ego. So they didn`t know what to do, so their children ran away from the houses, they took to drugs. So that they run away from reality that is ego for them, they see the ego the horrid they are. The way they are oppressing others. So they want to get out of it and that’s why they are taking drugs. Now in India our young people, you see, they want to be westernized, sophisticated. Not understanding why they are drinking. They are just drinking because others are drinking, they are just taking drugs because others are taking. Because they are hippies, they think that ”we should be hippies so that we will be very sophisticated.” This is a wrong idea. They are doing it out of search with intensity, they are really searching people, very deeply searching, and they give up drinks and drugs just like that. I have thousands of [bad tape] in England itself who have given up everything just like that. Overnight. Overnight they have given up everything, but Indians are difficult. Though they get realization very fast and they are very good at realization, they lose it also very fast. The reason is because you do not know your value as Indians. I`ve being telling since yesterday that you are Indians, you are greats souls to be born in India. Gregoire himself said so that you are the people who are highest in spirituality. But what’s the use of telling you when you don’t want to believe Me? It is like sometimes a beggar is told that “you are the king.” He can’t believe it. Even if you put him on the throne, he`ll be getting up every time. He won’t believe because he`s used to begging. Even if you glue him down there, he - if anybody is passing by – will say, “Give me five rupees”. This is the way we are. We are great, no doubt; there`s nothing to be confused about it, you are great people. But we are so habituated; we have been so much put down because of three hundred years of our slavery. Then, you see, we thought we have lost faith in ourselves. We think we are poor people. I mean, what is poverty after all? What is their afluence? Is nothing but plastic. Now after all this thing, you will know who is poor and who is rich. Are they… now how they are going to exist morning till evening, what are they going to do? You see, even they cannot calculate two plus two. For that also they have to use a calculator. How are they going to exist? Their brains are out, their bodies are out, they can`t walk for ten, ten minutes. They get exhausted. Thank God that we are not that rich. Thank God. That kind of an affluence has ruined them completely. Of course I don’t say that we should be beggars. But think that God has saved us from many problems because we have got limited resources, we have lived with maryadas. If we did not have maryadas we would have been drinking, we would have been drinking like them, drugging, smoking, spoiling our children. The children would have been running away, wives would be running away, husbands would be running away. There would have been no society. Thank God that this limited amount that we get has delimited us and we have not crossed those things that they have crossed, those barriers. They are so foolish and so stupid and so idiotic. You may call Me that I am criticizing them but if you go and see for yourself nothing but laughing that’s the way you can live there. There are funny, funny things which I don’t know how to tell but there’s more[unclear] of people also, but when you go there you`ll be amazed how the people are there. You are much more wise. But in one thing you are lacking behind that is their young people are really seekers. They are not fashionable about it. We are fashionable about seeking. That’s not so. I would say, especially in England, I feel the young people of England are really wonderful beings. They are the best young people you can think of, I mean in England. If you see the quantity of them is much more. Of course we have very good seekers in other way also. The quantity of very deep seekers are in English people and young people they are very different from the English people we knew, just the opposite of them and this is something such a remarkable thing that tomorrow they might come here to teach you who is Adi Shakti, what is Adi Shakti. This is where we are today. We have no depth of any kind left in us because all of us have problems. We have no significance in life. We think we are useless; we are so confused about it. So, again I would request you to seek your [not clear] that you do not unnecessarily put yourself down and think that you, you are looking [not clear] you are apart, all these things. You are very much [unclear-bad tape]. Some of you do not get realization. First there are something wrong with your chakras, [unclear-bad tape] somewhere which are very good tomorrow. Very clearly I will be talking about it. Any gentleman who doesn’t want to face the truth leave that hall. But you can not [could be: STOP] Me from talking. That’s one thing for definite those who want to face the truth without feeling bad about it sit down here. I would also request you if possible we have a book very well written by Gregoire which is what I`ve told them, just due charges we have put on that. That is because it’s a very big book. It costs you about fifty rupees or something like that. Just the printing because I said no profit is to be made, I am very particular on that point, extremely particular. That’s how it’s just the printing charges that you should take after this program or before this program and go through it and see for yourself how the seeking works out. Now we have here today this program and tomorrow again I`m going to speak to you about (the) other two channels but you know that these things take time. First of all tomorrow I`ll be speaking about Ganesha center and I will speak about the right hand side channel which you [unclear - bad tape]clean. With this channel you develop the balloon of psyche which is called as a mana. So when we say that ‘mere man ne yeh kaha’ you should know that it may be somebody else coming in. So in our country you see that`s a regular thing [not clear – hindi sounds like ‘jab udhar man chahta nahin toh tuh door baith jaa’]. We want to guard ourselves against the mana’s dictation. We do not allow ourselves to drift into that mana’s state but if you start drifting into mana… Now he`s bringing tea, this is what I wanted to see… we are so frivolous. If somebody is bringing the tea, a little child is coming in, we must see. Everything we must record. Are we here sitting like Sarva Lokiteshvara that sitting, everything must be watched, anything. You see, on the way when people go, I`ve seen in India especially, all the advertisements must be there. If one is missing they`ll stop the car and read it. [Unclear sounds like what’s the use of it?] So, I am saying it’s a very serious thing. It’s a very serious thing and is [unclear sounds like ‘it’s the value that matters]. I`m speaking before you because [Unclear] I know you are, but if your attention is in the dust what am I to do? Your attention has [sounds like ‘to be alert’], that’s all. Then I’ll manage it. I’ll manage it and you’ll be surprised that how much powers are there, behind you. That all that is you I am going to tell you each and everything ‘guptatara guptatam’ everything that is not so far revealed to you only thing is keep yourself in the center. Today please go and buy some photographs, I don’t know if they are selling the photographs. They are simple things, just buy them and meditate this evening. Again tomorrow you come and we are going to again have a meditation thing. The more you expose to it, the better it will be. Go deeper into it, deeper into it. And then you will know what all these great saints and prophets have said. All the scriptures that have described that “to know yourself” is the aim of [unlcear]. May God bless you. Seeker: But we have seen you, we have seen you face to face. By using you, purchasing your photo... So in what way your photo is going to help us? Shri Mataji: Now, photo is a very authentic thing. You see, so far all the murtis and everything are not so authentic. Because there is vibrations passing through Me… I`ve discovered to My great amazement and joy that My photo has the same vibrations. So if you use the photograph you can work it out. If you don’t want to use the photograph it doesn’t work out to begin with. To begin with there is an aalamban of my photograph. But what is, why should you have objection to my photograph? If you could have Me there, why can`t you have My photograph? Supposing you have anybody`s photograph. See, you will have even Indira Gandhi’s photograph. You have everybody`s photograph. Why not Mine? What’s such an objection about Me? About it? I don’t understand. You’ll be amazed it emits cool vibrations. You see, this is the trouble. You`ll have everybody’s photograph. All kinds of nonsensical people you`ll have photograph. Seeker: We got your vibration right now? Shri Mataji: Right now, but when you will work on the photograph you will feel deeply. You see, because photograph will remain with you, you just try what I`m telling you. You just try what I`m telling you, you see by that I am not going to get anything, again. You see, you are used to a shopping spirit. You always do something as if you are shopping. Here you are not shopping. You are taking it. I`m giving. You are not giving Me anything, you cannot give. I am at a point where you cannot give Me. So you take it and how to take is very embarrassing but I have to tell you how to take it. I`ll have to also tell you how to sit before Me. What to do? You are such small children, you do not know. Maybe by doing certain things you may spoil your vibrations. You must know how to respect your Mother. If you do not know, all of them are within Me, all these great saints are sitting with Me. They will not like it, you see. So I have to tell you even that. Today only I was telling, its very embarrassing that I have to tell everything to them. Somebody I went to, they, they wanted to give me water. You see, they gave me in a plastic glass. I said it’s alright if they give Me in plastic glass. But it’s not all right otherwise. You must understand. This is not the way to give water to your Mother who is a Divine person. But you didn’t know, I am not saying anything, but respect. You just get some dirty glass and give it to Mother, is not the way it is to be done. You see, you must understand after all you come from a country which has samskaras, which knows what is a puja, what is a holy person is and everything is. And then when you know that, you should understand that this is very important for that whatever is needed has to be done. If you have a photograph of a wrong person your, house will be ruined. Even [unclear sounds like ‘diamond’] you have seen it happens. If you have the photograph of a holy person, everything will be alright. It is for your good. I am not going to gain anything out of it. And photograph is not that expensive that you should think about. First we start, just have. It`s the minimum price, I think one Rupee. If you can afford it I`ll be happy. Thank you. Chorus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasarswati, Mahakali, Trigunathmika, Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah… Shri Mataji : Aankh bandh kar lijiye. Aankh bandh kar lijiye , haath aise rakhiya… Chorus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasarswati, Mahakali, Trigunathmika, Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti, Mataji… Chorus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalaxmi, Mahasarswati, Mahakali, Trigunathmika, Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Corus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini, Mokshadayini , Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Corus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini, Mokshadayini, Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Chorus: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini, Mokshadayini, Adi Shakti, Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Shri Mataji (continues in Hindi): Ab accha hai bhaut logon ko? Ayi thandak? Seeker (speaks in Hindi): Mataji mujh ko to aayi… Another seeker (speaks in Hindi): Mujhe nahi aayee. Shri Mataji (continues in Hindi): Acha jinko aaye hai, ayse kitne log hain, haath oopar karein…
3/8/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=786	The Value of Marriage	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	28	“The Value of Marriage”. Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK), 8 March 1980. That Sahaja Yoga is first to start your germination, then it grows. In that growth, you have to become a wider personality and a wider personality. With the marriage you become even a better person, and you develop a better personality. Now, why marriage is necessary for Sahaja Yogis? First and foremost thing, it is the most normal thing to do, is to marry. God has given you this desire to be married for some purpose. But, the same desire, if you do not use it for the purpose it is given, it can become a perversion, it can become a nasty thing. It can be very detrimental to your growth. So one should understand this desire within us to have a marriage. Marriage means wife, who is a part and parcel of your being. A wife on whom you can depend. She’s your mother, she’s your sister, she’s your child, she’s everything. You can share all your feelings with your wife. So it is important that the wife should be such, that she should understand that this is the need of a marriage. Now, in Sahaja Yoga, as you have seen, all of you have problems either of the left or the right. Now, when these marriages will take place, mostly spontaneously, it will happen by the nature’s plan itself, that you will marry a person who is a complementary personality to you. Because, supposing you are a Left-sided person, and if you have a person who has a Left Side that is very strong, it will compensate, and that’s how you make a good marriage. But, for that, one thing is very important: that you must share. You must share life, every bit of it, every moment of it. If you do not know how to share life, it’s going to be very, very difficult. When it comes to love, how do we express our love? By sharing all of our joys and all of our pains, all of our problems. But in Sahaja Yoga, it’s a little more, I think quite a lot more, much more. Here you have to share the community. The marriage is not for individuals, in Sahaja Yoga, not at all. If anybody has this feeling that the marriage is between two persons in Sahaja Yoga, it’s a wrong thing. It is two communities, it can be two nations, it can be completely two universes. So, it is not to be enjoyed between yourself. If you are a good husband-wife to each other it’s not sufficient in Sahaja Yoga. That love should be enjoyed by everyone else, in the society, in the community. If you cannot do that, then you have not achieved Sahaja Yoga marriage. It’s just an ordinary marriage as people have; it’s just nothing special about it. Such marriage should be able to give chances for very great souls to come on this earth. A person who is married in Sahaja Yoga, who are Sahaja Yogis, who are sharing their love equally with the Sahaja Yogis and the society that is Sahaja Yoga, then only great people will be born. I would say Bogdan has done that. Bogdan and Mandy, they have done it. It’s something surprising. You see, they were engaged before marriage, they were married before Sahaja Yoga, they were married after Realisation and I don’t know how, it is clicked in their life, that they really share companionship with other Sahaja Yogis. Whenever he writes to me, he always writes about other Sahaja Yogis, he’ll ask about every one of them, how are they, what are their problems. Unless and until it happens, the marriage has no meaning in Sahaja Yoga, at all, no meaning. So, first test of a Sahaja Yogi marriage is that, how much you have been able to share by this marriage, other people. Now, for example, in a normal marriage, a man is the person who is the head of the family, as you say. Now, he has to be the head, the man has to be head for certain reasons. There is nothing wrong in man becoming the head, it’s all right: you become the heart. Heart is more important than head is. Perhaps, we do not realise that how heart is important. You see, even if the head fails, the heart can go on. We can go on always up till the heart is going on. But, if the heart fails, the head fails too. So you are the heart as a woman, and he is the head of the family. Let him have that feeling that he is the head; it’s a feeling, just a feeling. Like the head always feels that he decides. But, it’s the brain that also knows that it’s the heart one has to cater for. It’s the heart which is all-pervading, which is the real source of everything. So the woman’s position, if she understands how important it is, she would never feel let down or dominated if she knows she’s the heart. I think this is the point people, women, especially in the West, have lost and have forgotten and have not realised. If they had realised this point, there would have been much less problem. You see, It is not the way people think they control others and dominate others or sort of try to suppress them: it is not that way. It is the heart which really governs everything. Heart rules out everything else. It is heart which has got the power to envelope the brain, to sooth it. Brain is a headache, you know, it works, works like mad. But, heart is the one which can really cover the whole body with its love and can soothe it and can give it joy and happiness. It is the heart which contains the Spirit. So, heart is a very important thing, which is the power of the body. Like ultimately you have to become the Spirit, which is in the heart. With brain you know things and that’s why the man has to be the head. He has to go out, he has to work, he has to deal with people. His life is, he’s an extrovert, as you call it. And woman also has to work sometimes if there is difficulties and troubles. But a woman should not feel dominated, if the man says, “All right you don’t work.” But if he says it in love. Now, if the brain starts dominating the heart too much, what will happen? Then there will be dryness. Like, many men are very meticulous, very particular. They are headaches; absolute headaches to themselves, to others and to the whole society. Such people can become extremely dry and they can be all the time. They can never enjoy their wives, they can never enjoy their children, they cannot enjoy anything whatsoever, because they are so particular. Like they said, “Come at 5:10”. Now, if you reach there at 5:09 or 5:11, you had it! They are just watching time, just to find out the faults: as soon as the wife comes, they’ll be shouting, “What? You’ve come so late!” How many? 45 seconds! Lost! You see, the wife is coming: the expectancy, the meeting of it, the joy of it. You are going to meet your own heart! is lacking. Now this brain can go all off the rule, it can go. And it can be very, very taxing. It creates tremendous problems within. So, heart must be respected, heart must be obeyed, that’s the point. Heart must be obeyed. But, that doesn’t mean that the women should dominate men. It doesn’t mean that. Obeyed means you must understand what your love says. Do it in love. If you do it in love, it’s very good. For example I am lecturing you morning till evening. You are not tired of my lectures. Normally people should be, “What’s this sermon going on? This lady all the time talking to us?” But, you do not mind it for one reason. Why? Because you know I love you very much. In the same way the woman must establish the role that she loves. The man may become a little funny, but he’ll come around. He’ll go a little astray but, he’ll come around. But, do not judge him in outward dominations. Like, you see, if he says, “This colour is not good”, “All right, whatever you like I’ll put it”. Then he himself will say, “Oh, I think the one you had put was good. You know I was really foolish!” He would say like that! You just agree to them! I mean I have experimented this in my own life. I have done it. For example, my husband doesn’t know much of roads, so, supposing we are going somewhere, and he said, “I think this is the way you have to go.” I said, “All right you can go ahead and I will walk with you.” But I said, “No, but I think it’s not the road, I’ll have to walk again back I know for definite. But, all right, if you want, I can walk with you. All right I’m walking. I am just enjoying. I may have to go this way only.” Then he starts wondering, “Is it true? Is it correct?” Then he starts thinking that, “Is it really?”or “Maybe?” Because she has instincts. She has intuition. She has so many things. She gets that what you call there is a word in english for that also you get a hint suddenly you know suddenly a hint that hitch they call it hitch. You see they get a hitch. And that’s come out what it is. Hunch hunch. They get a hunch they get a hunch of it and that's what it is And once they start understanding, that the hunches of the wife is correct, then they follow her, in a way. But, what is so great in making your husband follow you? It’s wrong. I think there is no need for him to follow. “You go this way!” What is the need to do all that? We are going the same way. But we must know that somebody is on the left, one is on the right. The left has to be on the left. Supposing the left wheel starts going to the right — we’ll have only one wheel left. What are we going to do about it? We are all going on the same way! There are no two ways about it. There are two wheels needed to give it a balance. But we are going on the same way. This, people don’t realise: they think one wheel has to go on the right and another has to turn to the left. So, imagine what will be the condition of such a family. We are going on the same way. Only understanding is needed. That one has to live with the powers of heart, and another has to live with the powers of rationality, of understanding. Now, when it comes to rationality, ultimately it will turn to heart. Because it reaches a point where it does not know. Then it comes to heart. Once women realise this, that they have this within themselves. But, you must nurture your power of heart. But you compete with them in everything: “If he goes on the horse why can’t I?” “He does this, why can’t I?” “If he can drive, I can drive.” Wisdom lies in doing things, many things by avoiding them. For example, I don’t drive, so everybody drives me along. I don’t type, very good: everybody types for me. But, I do some things which nobody can do as well as I can do. Like I can cook very well. So when it comes to cooking, they have to come to me! It’s like that. But, you don’t do everything that the men want to do. Or you don’t do everything women want to do. For men, will be cooking and women will be driving, is a wrong thing. Men should know all manly things and women should know womanly things. They must learn. They must put their heart into it. I mean women can be equally intelligent, men can be equally intelligent. Women can go on to the right hand, and men can go on the left hand, no doubt about it. But, you put imbalance to the whole universe by that, that’s the point. It’s not that by doing that you are in any way less or more. This idea should go out of your minds absolutely. That men think that, “Oh, I’m the man who wears the pants!” Alright, you wear the pants but, we wear the beautiful skirts! Alright That’s the way it should be looked after. Once this goes away, Sahaja Yoga will work out better. The domination only is felt when there is no love. Sometimes you like people to dominate you, isn’t it. For example, let’s say, “Come along, have this food. You must eat, you must have this.” You like it, because somebody cares for you: there’s a concern, somebody loves you, wants you to have this and wants you to do that. You like such a person. You want somebody to do that. You do not want to be left to dogs that: “Do whatever you please!” That kind of thing is no good. And once you develop that feeling that, “Oh, that person cares for me. That person loves,” then you also start caring for the feelings of that person. You also start to understand. Now again the guilt is working. Now will you please stop feeling guilty about anything. I do not say these things to make you feel guilty, but just to understand that you have to be in a very light mood, in a very light mood. This balance has been created long time back, a very long time back. Even when Radha Krishna existed: Radha was the power and Krishna was the one who was expressing. As you say, the potential and the kinetic. And people only know about Krishna, but Radha was the power. When He had to kill Kamsa, He had to ask Radha, to do it. It was She who did everything, She had to dance and He pressed Her feet. He said, “Now You must be tired.” I mean, why did She dance? Because without Her dancing, things could not work out. So, it is so interdependent. It is so interdependent. As you cannot have a wick, and you cannot have the light. You cannot have these two things separate. If you can understand that, then this balance is completely harmonious. It is between God and His power: absolutely one. You can’t imagine, how it is one with God and His power. His power, His desire, is the same as God. There’s no difference at all. But, in human beings you are disintegrated people. Your desire is different, your thinking is different, your asking is different. Everything is so disintegrated, that’s why you cannot understand. That’s why marriages are also disintegrated. The complete integration. Is the intermingling. If the wife has to work, one need not worry. If the man has to work, doesn’t worry: as long as there is complete understanding of integration, of balance, within you. Of course, the women are responsible the grace of the family. She has to be gracious. It doesn’t look nice for a woman to behave like a man because, man need not be that gracious as the woman is. He is after all a man. So, it’s all right. I mean, in his behaviour, he need not be atrocious but sometimes if he swears sometimes, doesn’t matter, sometimes, in a way: for a man. But, for a woman, it does because she is a gracious thing. But, there are some things that a man cannot do: like, taking interest in women. Some men are so hot you know, horrible and absolutely, one can’t understand the way they take interest in women: what dresses women wear sort of thing. All this rat-like behaviour, is horrible. And this cannot be manly. That means that they are such slaves of women. They may call themselves something this and that. I heard this Mrs. Kennedy’s clothes, under clothes, were for sale. And people from Australia were flying out to buy them! I mean think of these men! What do you call them? I don’t know what do you call them in English language. But, they are just worse than earthworms. I don’t know from where they come. So a man has to be a man! And man is a person like Rama is. You have heard about his life, how He was. How He loved His wife, respected His own chastity. A man who cannot respect his own chastity is not a man. He is absolutely an earthworm. So, this is what it is. A man has to have a character, he has to have that chivalry in him, he has to have that courage in him, he has to have that protective thing. If thieves come in the house the man tells the wife, “Oh you go and open the door, and I am going to hide!” And when the thieves go away, he says, “I’m going to dominate!” that’s not the way. The man has to protect. The man has to look after. That’s why it doesn’t matter if he is a little crude sometimes. It doesn’t matter. Because he has to face. He’s like a thorn and women are like the flowers. Now, in the thorn and flower, you would like to be a flower, isn’t it, but, in a man and woman, you would like to be a thorn! So it’s wrong. He has to protect, he has to look after the invasions on the family-life and other things. On the contrary, they are the ones who allow infiltration by wrong people in the family. It’s the men. They bring in horrible women, they bring in horrible people, through their domination, “Oh, she’s my friend! How can you object?” But, what sort of friend is she? He has to say, “No,I don’t like these people to come in the house, they are not the right-type. They have to get out.” It is he who has to say. And the woman has to understand. But if he says it just out of domination, it is nonsense. So, everything has two sides, as you can see clearly. If it is done in love, it’s perfect. But, if it is done in domination, it’s nonsensical. Why dominate? I mean, I don’t understand the word ‘domination’. When there are two wheels do they dominate each other? Can they? If one dominates, say one becomes bigger than the other, it will go round and round, won’t it. There’s no question in domination in this. But, it’s a question of integration and understanding and complete cooperation within themselves, which must permeate into the society, into the family. The marriages which are not helpful to the society are of no use, they are just a waste, just a waste. We have so many marriages like this. People get married, live well, happily among themselves and finish off. These are the marriages which are going to change the society, with their joy, happiness, make home where everybody is expected, look after them, do for others. You see there are many people who think that, “Nobody is doing anything for us!” What have you done for others? What have you done? Have you done anything for them? This, once you start deciding and understanding, it would be very good. Normally a woman as a normally women is not brought up properly, can be very, very conceited and can be very selfish and self-centred. Men can be also, but, women can be. Because I mean if they are not brought up properly — I am saying that — they may not like to spend their money on others. They would not like others to come in the house and share this and that. But, again we have to judge it: is it done in love or not? Like the husband brings his friends, and they may not like their friends coming in because it means money. They would like to have more ornaments to themselves than to have some friends, for their friend. It can be, they can be like that. Some men could be like that also. But, both the things are wrong. This should be shared to be understood. And the whole things is that you must lavish your love on others. You need not spend money for that. Need not. You can just be kind to them, nice to them and a little money too. There is not harm in spending a little money for others and expressing your love. We are still very meticulous in our Sahaja Yoga as far as money is concerned, as far as love is concerned. We are very, very cautious. We have so much of fear within us. Now domination should never come in Sahaja Yoga at all. Say for example, when I am telling you anything, an outsider you might think I am dominating you, because really I am touching very sore points within you, if you see it clearly, it is there. Putting the Left Side too much: You are all feeling guilty, that’s not good, come along! So, this is also an escape, that you start feeling guilty and you then just don’t cure yourself. Just don’t feel guilty about anything. I am just telling you this because I have to tell you! Now, one can feel that this is domination, if they do not see the love behind it, the beauty behind it, the compassion behind it. So, never to feel that anybody dominates you is the best way. How can you be dominated? You are the Spirit! Your ego can be hurt. You are the Spirit: it cannot be dominated. But, are you the Spirit? Are you feeling your Spirit? If you are feeling your Spirit you can never be dominated, no one can dominate you. But, if you feel that way, all the time, that you are dominated, you are dominated, you will become a very, very nervous person. You can be a horrible person. You cannot face people. So it is time that you realise you are a Spirit and your husband is also a Spirit. Or if you are the husband, you must know the wife is also a Spirit. And a mutual respect must grow in that level, because both of you are saints, you are Sahaja Yogis. You must respect each other because you are Sahaja Yogis. Everybody respects you because you are Sahaja Yogis — who have not achieved Realisation: “Oh, they are realised-souls!” You just think when you were not realised, if someone had told you that, “He is a realised-soul,” how you would have felt about that person? You are not conscious of that but you should be conscious. By that you should not become vain but you must respect others, they are realised-souls, they are the children of your Mother. When talking to each other you have to understand that: more so when you are husband and wife. The whole understanding that you had so far of husband-wife must be given up. It is, I think a contract sort of a marriage. In a marriage you see, “How much he dominates? What are his powers? What are my powers? How much money I get? How much he gets, where’s the money kept? What’s all that?” It will only happen when you do not trust each other. But, go on trusting more and more. There should be a competition in loving. There should be a competition in trusting, in being honest, in being kind, in being in service. Let there be a competition like that, and then you will achieve results. The competition should be on the other side, instead of dominating, instead of being afraid, instead of sharing all nonsense. There’s another thing which I must point out which happens to married couples and which is very, very wrong also: that both of them, take up a role of very miserable people, the Les Miserables! They sit down, crying, weeping “Oh, ho, ho!” for nothing at all. The whole world is collapsing before them. Now there are some ‘great’ poets, like Lord Byron maybe or some horrible people, who have written horrible poems like that. And they will recite those poems, “The sweetest songs are those and all sorts of nonsense: not for Sahaja Yogis. You are not to indulge in this kind of nonsense and sitting down and indulging into this kind of nonsense and enjoying the miseries of each other. For the present, you have no miseries. Whatever has been there is past and finished. Now, you are new people, with new awareness with new things. You have no miseries. So, forget all those things and try to enjoy each other’s company. And if you start doing that, sitting down and enjoying the miseries, you get out of it immediately and say, “Oh, we are getting into the same play of Lord Byron!” I don’t want to create Lord Byrons out of Sahaja Yogis any more. So please remember that: don’t sit down and discuss and analyse your miseries. You have no miseries of any kind. You are the Spirit. You are the source of joy for yourself and for others and you have no business to sit down and cry and weep. And I don’t know what is happening? I don’t know why you don’t know your Spirit. Don’t you know your Spirit? You know! Then why don’t you know? You have your vibratory awareness and still how is it you are saying you don’t know? You have to know everything. And it has to be a very positive act to be happy to be fragrant with joy and to give joy to others. That has to be with you. Otherwise, everything has no meaning. You see, I try my level best to make every marriage a very pompous thing a very beautiful thing but, ultimately, what I find is two crumpled up people sitting down there sulking! And then imagine the children who are going to be born. They will think, “What these sulking parents, oh God, save us from these crying babies!” So don’t put my all hopes to my complete shattering state, by this kind of attitude. Now, if you have any questions, ask them because I don’t know how far to say. Close it!	null	null	null	“The Value of Marriage”. Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK), 8 March 1980. That Sahaja Yoga is first to start your germination, then it grows. In that growth, you have to become a wider personality and a wider personality. With the marriage you become even a better person, and you develop a better personality. Now, why marriage is necessary for Sahaja Yogis? First and foremost thing, it is the most normal thing to do, is to marry. God has given you this desire to be married for some purpose. But, the same desire, if you do not use it for the purpose it is given, it can become a perversion, it can become a nasty thing. It can be very detrimental to your growth. So one should understand this desire within us to have a marriage. Marriage means wife, who is a part and parcel of your being. A wife on whom you can depend. She’s your mother, she’s your sister, she’s your child, she’s everything. You can share all your feelings with your wife. So it is important that the wife should be such, that she should understand that this is the need of a marriage. Now, in Sahaja Yoga, as you have seen, all of you have problems either of the left or the right. Now, when these marriages will take place, mostly spontaneously, it will happen by the nature’s plan itself, that you will marry a person who is a complementary personality to you. Because, supposing you are a Left-sided person, and if you have a person who has a Left Side that is very strong, it will compensate, and that’s how you make a good marriage. But, for that, one thing is very important: that you must share. You must share life, every bit of it, every moment of it. If you do not know how to share life, it’s going to be very, very difficult. When it comes to love, how do we express our love? By sharing all of our joys and all of our pains, all of our problems. But in Sahaja Yoga, it’s a little more, I think quite a lot more, much more. Here you have to share the community. The marriage is not for individuals, in Sahaja Yoga, not at all. If anybody has this feeling that the marriage is between two persons in Sahaja Yoga, it’s a wrong thing. It is two communities, it can be two nations, it can be completely two universes. So, it is not to be enjoyed between yourself. If you are a good husband-wife to each other it’s not sufficient in Sahaja Yoga. That love should be enjoyed by everyone else, in the society, in the community. If you cannot do that, then you have not achieved Sahaja Yoga marriage. It’s just an ordinary marriage as people have; it’s just nothing special about it. Such marriage should be able to give chances for very great souls to come on this earth. A person who is married in Sahaja Yoga, who are Sahaja Yogis, who are sharing their love equally with the Sahaja Yogis and the society that is Sahaja Yoga, then only great people will be born. I would say Bogdan has done that. Bogdan and Mandy, they have done it. It’s something surprising. You see, they were engaged before marriage, they were married before Sahaja Yoga, they were married after Realisation and I don’t know how, it is clicked in their life, that they really share companionship with other Sahaja Yogis. Whenever he writes to me, he always writes about other Sahaja Yogis, he’ll ask about every one of them, how are they, what are their problems. Unless and until it happens, the marriage has no meaning in Sahaja Yoga, at all, no meaning. So, first test of a Sahaja Yogi marriage is that, how much you have been able to share by this marriage, other people. Now, for example, in a normal marriage, a man is the person who is the head of the family, as you say. Now, he has to be the head, the man has to be head for certain reasons. There is nothing wrong in man becoming the head, it’s all right: you become the heart. Heart is more important than head is. Perhaps, we do not realise that how heart is important. You see, even if the head fails, the heart can go on. We can go on always up till the heart is going on. But, if the heart fails, the head fails too. So you are the heart as a woman, and he is the head of the family. Let him have that feeling that he is the head; it’s a feeling, just a feeling. Like the head always feels that he decides. But, it’s the brain that also knows that it’s the heart one has to cater for. It’s the heart which is all-pervading, which is the real source of everything. So the woman’s position, if she understands how important it is, she would never feel let down or dominated if she knows she’s the heart. I think this is the point people, women, especially in the West, have lost and have forgotten and have not realised. If they had realised this point, there would have been much less problem. You see, It is not the way people think they control others and dominate others or sort of try to suppress them: it is not that way. It is the heart which really governs everything. Heart rules out everything else. It is heart which has got the power to envelope the brain, to sooth it. Brain is a headache, you know, it works, works like mad. But, heart is the one which can really cover the whole body with its love and can soothe it and can give it joy and happiness. It is the heart which contains the Spirit. So, heart is a very important thing, which is the power of the body. Like ultimately you have to become the Spirit, which is in the heart. With brain you know things and that’s why the man has to be the head. He has to go out, he has to work, he has to deal with people. His life is, he’s an extrovert, as you call it. And woman also has to work sometimes if there is difficulties and troubles. But a woman should not feel dominated, if the man says, “All right you don’t work.” But if he says it in love. Now, if the brain starts dominating the heart too much, what will happen? Then there will be dryness. Like, many men are very meticulous, very particular. They are headaches; absolute headaches to themselves, to others and to the whole society. Such people can become extremely dry and they can be all the time. They can never enjoy their wives, they can never enjoy their children, they cannot enjoy anything whatsoever, because they are so particular. Like they said, “Come at 5:10”. Now, if you reach there at 5:09 or 5:11, you had it! They are just watching time, just to find out the faults: as soon as the wife comes, they’ll be shouting, “What? You’ve come so late!” How many? 45 seconds! Lost! You see, the wife is coming: the expectancy, the meeting of it, the joy of it. You are going to meet your own heart! is lacking. Now this brain can go all off the rule, it can go. And it can be very, very taxing. It creates tremendous problems within. So, heart must be respected, heart must be obeyed, that’s the point. Heart must be obeyed. But, that doesn’t mean that the women should dominate men. It doesn’t mean that. Obeyed means you must understand what your love says. Do it in love. If you do it in love, it’s very good. For example I am lecturing you morning till evening. You are not tired of my lectures. Normally people should be, “What’s this sermon going on? This lady all the time talking to us?” But, you do not mind it for one reason. Why? Because you know I love you very much. In the same way the woman must establish the role that she loves. The man may become a little funny, but he’ll come around. He’ll go a little astray but, he’ll come around. But, do not judge him in outward dominations. Like, you see, if he says, “This colour is not good”, “All right, whatever you like I’ll put it”. Then he himself will say, “Oh, I think the one you had put was good. You know I was really foolish!” He would say like that! You just agree to them! I mean I have experimented this in my own life. I have done it. For example, my husband doesn’t know much of roads, so, supposing we are going somewhere, and he said, “I think this is the way you have to go.” I said, “All right you can go ahead and I will walk with you.” But I said, “No, but I think it’s not the road, I’ll have to walk again back I know for definite. But, all right, if you want, I can walk with you. All right I’m walking. I am just enjoying. I may have to go this way only.” Then he starts wondering, “Is it true? Is it correct?” Then he starts thinking that, “Is it really?”or “Maybe?” Because she has instincts. She has intuition. She has so many things. She gets that what you call there is a word in english for that also you get a hint suddenly you know suddenly a hint that hitch they call it hitch. You see they get a hitch. And that’s come out what it is. Hunch hunch. They get a hunch they get a hunch of it and that's what it is And once they start understanding, that the hunches of the wife is correct, then they follow her, in a way. But, what is so great in making your husband follow you? It’s wrong. I think there is no need for him to follow. “You go this way!” What is the need to do all that? We are going the same way. But we must know that somebody is on the left, one is on the right. The left has to be on the left. Supposing the left wheel starts going to the right — we’ll have only one wheel left. What are we going to do about it? We are all going on the same way! There are no two ways about it. There are two wheels needed to give it a balance. But we are going on the same way. This, people don’t realise: they think one wheel has to go on the right and another has to turn to the left. So, imagine what will be the condition of such a family. We are going on the same way. Only understanding is needed. That one has to live with the powers of heart, and another has to live with the powers of rationality, of understanding. Now, when it comes to rationality, ultimately it will turn to heart. Because it reaches a point where it does not know. Then it comes to heart. Once women realise this, that they have this within themselves. But, you must nurture your power of heart. But you compete with them in everything: “If he goes on the horse why can’t I?” “He does this, why can’t I?” “If he can drive, I can drive.” Wisdom lies in doing things, many things by avoiding them. For example, I don’t drive, so everybody drives me along. I don’t type, very good: everybody types for me. But, I do some things which nobody can do as well as I can do. Like I can cook very well. So when it comes to cooking, they have to come to me! It’s like that. But, you don’t do everything that the men want to do. Or you don’t do everything women want to do. For men, will be cooking and women will be driving, is a wrong thing. Men should know all manly things and women should know womanly things. They must learn. They must put their heart into it. I mean women can be equally intelligent, men can be equally intelligent. Women can go on to the right hand, and men can go on the left hand, no doubt about it. But, you put imbalance to the whole universe by that, that’s the point. It’s not that by doing that you are in any way less or more. This idea should go out of your minds absolutely. That men think that, “Oh, I’m the man who wears the pants!” Alright, you wear the pants but, we wear the beautiful skirts! Alright That’s the way it should be looked after. Once this goes away, Sahaja Yoga will work out better. The domination only is felt when there is no love. Sometimes you like people to dominate you, isn’t it. For example, let’s say, “Come along, have this food. You must eat, you must have this.” You like it, because somebody cares for you: there’s a concern, somebody loves you, wants you to have this and wants you to do that. You like such a person. You want somebody to do that. You do not want to be left to dogs that: “Do whatever you please!” That kind of thing is no good. And once you develop that feeling that, “Oh, that person cares for me. That person loves,” then you also start caring for the feelings of that person. You also start to understand. Now again the guilt is working. Now will you please stop feeling guilty about anything. I do not say these things to make you feel guilty, but just to understand that you have to be in a very light mood, in a very light mood. This balance has been created long time back, a very long time back. Even when Radha Krishna existed: Radha was the power and Krishna was the one who was expressing. As you say, the potential and the kinetic. And people only know about Krishna, but Radha was the power. When He had to kill Kamsa, He had to ask Radha, to do it. It was She who did everything, She had to dance and He pressed Her feet. He said, “Now You must be tired.” I mean, why did She dance? Because without Her dancing, things could not work out. So, it is so interdependent. It is so interdependent. As you cannot have a wick, and you cannot have the light. You cannot have these two things separate. If you can understand that, then this balance is completely harmonious. It is between God and His power: absolutely one. You can’t imagine, how it is one with God and His power. His power, His desire, is the same as God. There’s no difference at all. But, in human beings you are disintegrated people. Your desire is different, your thinking is different, your asking is different. Everything is so disintegrated, that’s why you cannot understand. That’s why marriages are also disintegrated. The complete integration. Is the intermingling. If the wife has to work, one need not worry. If the man has to work, doesn’t worry: as long as there is complete understanding of integration, of balance, within you. Of course, the women are responsible the grace of the family. She has to be gracious. It doesn’t look nice for a woman to behave like a man because, man need not be that gracious as the woman is. He is after all a man. So, it’s all right. I mean, in his behaviour, he need not be atrocious but sometimes if he swears sometimes, doesn’t matter, sometimes, in a way: for a man. But, for a woman, it does because she is a gracious thing. But, there are some things that a man cannot do: like, taking interest in women. Some men are so hot you know, horrible and absolutely, one can’t understand the way they take interest in women: what dresses women wear sort of thing. All this rat-like behaviour, is horrible. And this cannot be manly. That means that they are such slaves of women. They may call themselves something this and that. I heard this Mrs. Kennedy’s clothes, under clothes, were for sale. And people from Australia were flying out to buy them! I mean think of these men! What do you call them? I don’t know what do you call them in English language. But, they are just worse than earthworms. I don’t know from where they come. So a man has to be a man! And man is a person like Rama is. You have heard about his life, how He was. How He loved His wife, respected His own chastity. A man who cannot respect his own chastity is not a man. He is absolutely an earthworm. So, this is what it is. A man has to have a character, he has to have that chivalry in him, he has to have that courage in him, he has to have that protective thing. If thieves come in the house the man tells the wife, “Oh you go and open the door, and I am going to hide!” And when the thieves go away, he says, “I’m going to dominate!” that’s not the way. The man has to protect. The man has to look after. That’s why it doesn’t matter if he is a little crude sometimes. It doesn’t matter. Because he has to face. He’s like a thorn and women are like the flowers. Now, in the thorn and flower, you would like to be a flower, isn’t it, but, in a man and woman, you would like to be a thorn! So it’s wrong. He has to protect, he has to look after the invasions on the family-life and other things. On the contrary, they are the ones who allow infiltration by wrong people in the family. It’s the men. They bring in horrible women, they bring in horrible people, through their domination, “Oh, she’s my friend! How can you object?” But, what sort of friend is she? He has to say, “No,I don’t like these people to come in the house, they are not the right-type. They have to get out.” It is he who has to say. And the woman has to understand. But if he says it just out of domination, it is nonsense. So, everything has two sides, as you can see clearly. If it is done in love, it’s perfect. But, if it is done in domination, it’s nonsensical. Why dominate? I mean, I don’t understand the word ‘domination’. When there are two wheels do they dominate each other? Can they? If one dominates, say one becomes bigger than the other, it will go round and round, won’t it. There’s no question in domination in this. But, it’s a question of integration and understanding and complete cooperation within themselves, which must permeate into the society, into the family. The marriages which are not helpful to the society are of no use, they are just a waste, just a waste. We have so many marriages like this. People get married, live well, happily among themselves and finish off. These are the marriages which are going to change the society, with their joy, happiness, make home where everybody is expected, look after them, do for others. You see there are many people who think that, “Nobody is doing anything for us!” What have you done for others? What have you done? Have you done anything for them? This, once you start deciding and understanding, it would be very good. Normally a woman as a normally women is not brought up properly, can be very, very conceited and can be very selfish and self-centred. Men can be also, but, women can be. Because I mean if they are not brought up properly — I am saying that — they may not like to spend their money on others. They would not like others to come in the house and share this and that. But, again we have to judge it: is it done in love or not? Like the husband brings his friends, and they may not like their friends coming in because it means money. They would like to have more ornaments to themselves than to have some friends, for their friend. It can be, they can be like that. Some men could be like that also. But, both the things are wrong. This should be shared to be understood. And the whole things is that you must lavish your love on others. You need not spend money for that. Need not. You can just be kind to them, nice to them and a little money too. There is not harm in spending a little money for others and expressing your love. We are still very meticulous in our Sahaja Yoga as far as money is concerned, as far as love is concerned. We are very, very cautious. We have so much of fear within us. Now domination should never come in Sahaja Yoga at all. Say for example, when I am telling you anything, an outsider you might think I am dominating you, because really I am touching very sore points within you, if you see it clearly, it is there. Putting the Left Side too much: You are all feeling guilty, that’s not good, come along! So, this is also an escape, that you start feeling guilty and you then just don’t cure yourself. Just don’t feel guilty about anything. I am just telling you this because I have to tell you! Now, one can feel that this is domination, if they do not see the love behind it, the beauty behind it, the compassion behind it. So, never to feel that anybody dominates you is the best way. How can you be dominated? You are the Spirit! Your ego can be hurt. You are the Spirit: it cannot be dominated. But, are you the Spirit? Are you feeling your Spirit? If you are feeling your Spirit you can never be dominated, no one can dominate you. But, if you feel that way, all the time, that you are dominated, you are dominated, you will become a very, very nervous person. You can be a horrible person. You cannot face people. So it is time that you realise you are a Spirit and your husband is also a Spirit. Or if you are the husband, you must know the wife is also a Spirit. And a mutual respect must grow in that level, because both of you are saints, you are Sahaja Yogis. You must respect each other because you are Sahaja Yogis. Everybody respects you because you are Sahaja Yogis — who have not achieved Realisation: “Oh, they are realised-souls!” You just think when you were not realised, if someone had told you that, “He is a realised-soul,” how you would have felt about that person? You are not conscious of that but you should be conscious. By that you should not become vain but you must respect others, they are realised-souls, they are the children of your Mother. When talking to each other you have to understand that: more so when you are husband and wife. The whole understanding that you had so far of husband-wife must be given up. It is, I think a contract sort of a marriage. In a marriage you see, “How much he dominates? What are his powers? What are my powers? How much money I get? How much he gets, where’s the money kept? What’s all that?” It will only happen when you do not trust each other. But, go on trusting more and more. There should be a competition in loving. There should be a competition in trusting, in being honest, in being kind, in being in service. Let there be a competition like that, and then you will achieve results. The competition should be on the other side, instead of dominating, instead of being afraid, instead of sharing all nonsense. There’s another thing which I must point out which happens to married couples and which is very, very wrong also: that both of them, take up a role of very miserable people, the Les Miserables! They sit down, crying, weeping “Oh, ho, ho!” for nothing at all. The whole world is collapsing before them. Now there are some ‘great’ poets, like Lord Byron maybe or some horrible people, who have written horrible poems like that. And they will recite those poems, “The sweetest songs are those and all sorts of nonsense: not for Sahaja Yogis. You are not to indulge in this kind of nonsense and sitting down and indulging into this kind of nonsense and enjoying the miseries of each other. For the present, you have no miseries. Whatever has been there is past and finished. Now, you are new people, with new awareness with new things. You have no miseries. So, forget all those things and try to enjoy each other’s company. And if you start doing that, sitting down and enjoying the miseries, you get out of it immediately and say, “Oh, we are getting into the same play of Lord Byron!” I don’t want to create Lord Byrons out of Sahaja Yogis any more. So please remember that: don’t sit down and discuss and analyse your miseries. You have no miseries of any kind. You are the Spirit. You are the source of joy for yourself and for others and you have no business to sit down and cry and weep. And I don’t know what is happening? I don’t know why you don’t know your Spirit. Don’t you know your Spirit? You know! Then why don’t you know? You have your vibratory awareness and still how is it you are saying you don’t know? You have to know everything. And it has to be a very positive act to be happy to be fragrant with joy and to give joy to others. That has to be with you. Otherwise, everything has no meaning. You see, I try my level best to make every marriage a very pompous thing a very beautiful thing but, ultimately, what I find is two crumpled up people sitting down there sulking! And then imagine the children who are going to be born. They will think, “What these sulking parents, oh God, save us from these crying babies!” So don’t put my all hopes to my complete shattering state, by this kind of attitude. Now, if you have any questions, ask them because I don’t know how far to say. Close it!
3/13/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5215	The Meaning of Sahaja Yoga	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	76	Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 13 March 1980 . Many of you here are Sahaja Yogis, means you have known Sahaja Yoga. Also many of you are realized souls and many of you have achieved a great height within yourself. And many of you have assumed the divine grace, its working, its maneuvering and its manifestation very well. It was to be so; it had to work out that way. Human beings have to evolve. They have to evolve, it's God's plan, slow, no doubt, because it's a living process. It's nothing artificial. It has to happen within you. Today only as I told you that even if you may know about Sahaja Yoga, you may know a lot about it, but you have to become, becoming is the problem. Because there are many Sahaja Yogis today and very few new people, first I will of course tell something about Sahaj Yog and then I would like to tell you how to become, that is very important. New phase must start in Sahaja Yoga. The first thing is what is Sahaj Yoga is. Sahaja Yoga means 'born with you'. 'Saha' means with, 'ja' means born. This right to unite with God is born with you. As soon as you are born a human being this right you have. And that is why human beings are seeking. They are somehow aware of that right. Now we have many books. We can call them the holy scriptures, those who have talked about kingdom of God, they have talked about All-pervading power. They have talked about God Almighty. They have talked about Holy Ghost. As in Sanskrit language we call it 'Adi Shakti'. All of them have talked about your rebirth that you are to be born again. But with the advent of science we just felt that this is all unknown. To begin with, it was treated as something very unknown, very difficult, the union with God. But God was not denied. But as the science started growing, the thinking mind was lost in the moorings and it started believing there is no God. It hurt them a little to believe in that. But whether you believe in God or not, it makes no difference. There are people who have ardently believed in God, who have been mad after God, who went to lunatic asylum thinking of God, so many things have happened to them. Of course, there are many scientists also who went to lunatic asylum. So, what was missing? This was the waiting period. And you had to choose the right and the wrong with your own awareness, with your own understanding. That had to be because you had to grow up to a point, your maturity has to come up to a point. Your awareness had to reach a certain state. You had to wait. There is all-pervading power and there is God. But you are not yet connected. If you are not yet connected everything is just a story. Is so artificial. It has no meaning. It was to happen during modern times. It is all predestined. Of course, the results are fantastic. But it was to happen, that thousands are to be connected with that divine power. But this is a living evolutionary process. This is born with you. This is within you. As you cannot become from monkey to human beings, you cannot become higher than human beings by yourself. Somebody has to do it. Somebody has to lead you. Christ had to come on this Earth. Krishna had to come on this Earth. Rama had to come on this Earth, just to give you a push in your awareness. But the time of your culmination has come where you have to really jump into that kingdom of God which is promised. But this is your right and for this you don't have to pay, you don't have to plot, you don't have to work hard. It’s in your own right you are going to get it. This is Sahaj Yoga. Now for the Sahaja Yogis who have got Realization, in their own right again, and it has worked with them, as soon as you get your Realization you start understanding vibrations, you start understanding the Kundalini, you can raise the Kundalini yourself, you can understand your own chakras, you can understand the chakras of others. You start understanding what is vibratory awareness tells you. You have a new awareness within you. An actualization that has taken place in you, by which you can recognize what is right and what is wrong. A rapport is now established between you and the Divine, you and the unconscious, you and God, and you can get answers for whatever you want. But still in the West we are more rational. Whatever we have found out so far is by using our rationality. Our movement in life has been through our rationality, through our thinking and the I.Q. is very high in this country. But in the East people have more of heart. They have used their heart for their seeking, for solving their problems, while we have used our rationality in the West. Because of this the effects of Sahaja Yoga are felt in two different ways. For example, for an Indian, when he gets his Realization, if he is not westernized, if his I.Q. is not very high, of superlative degree you see, or if he has not listened to your Mastermind programs, then, such a simple Indian gets it in a very easy way, thousands of them can get it. And they immediately feel the joy, because joy is the quality of heart. Is the quality of your Spirit that it gives you joy. But with rationality, the mind that has moved with rationality, the life that has lived with rationality, is identified with rationality, first gets the knowledge about Sahaja Yog. You people are much more knowledgeable about Sahaja Yoga than Indians are. For example, Gregoire's book if you give it to some Indian he’ll say, "Oh, it goes over my head. I don't know why, what all this is about" They just can't read it. It's too much. They said, "Sahaja Yoga is so simple, why should there be such a long lecture about it?" But for you it's a treasure. That is how in the West first you get the knowledge but not the joy. While they get the joy first and then the knowledge. All these are the qualities of the Spirit. Your attention can enter into your awareness. That means when you get Realization, the Spirit, you feel through your conscious mind. You start feeling the Spirit through your conscious mind. You start feeling the vibrations flowing through your hands. Your attention is enlightened, means you see that the flow of vibration is recorded by your nerves, by your central nervous system. They can feel the flow of the cool breeze. They can feel the rising of the Kundalini. This is the knowledge about the truth you get, that there is Spirit which is emitting these beautiful waves. So, when you grow, you grow from knowledge towards joy, while an Eastern person grows from joy towards knowledge. That's why the Sahaja Yogis of London are serious people, you see: knowledge makes you very serious. But joy, joy makes you like a child, you live like a child. You don't know how to become serious, very difficult. So how to grow is the problem with the Western people. Now with the Eastern people I will tell them something else, but with you I have to tell you something else. You know that very well that we have to tackle problems which we face and not the problems that others face. You see, is very common human venture that people try to solve the problems that others are facing and never see their own problems. So we have to face our problems that are confronting us - when we are Sahaja Yogis what happens? We start getting knowledge and knowledge and knowledge through vibrations. We start understanding about Chakras. We start understanding as to what Mantras to be said for particular Chakras. We also know how to maneuver the power. We also know how to save ourselves and also know how to save others. We know how to cure others. We know all about medicines. We can cure cancer. We can cure ourselves, we can cure others. And all this comes to us so easily. Apart from that we understand the relationship between science and Sahaj Yog, between economics and Sahaj Yog, between politics and Sahaj Yog, between physics and Sahaj Yog, and between so many other branches of knowledge with Sahaj Yog, because they are also part and parcel of human beings. We start understanding psychology through Sahaj Yog in a new way. We start understanding all the scriptures of the world, because everything is enlightened, and we understand Sahaj Yog. But we do not become fully that, which we have to be. We do not fully manifest our Spirit. If so, we would be completely in joy. The reason for that is very simple, that in the beginning when we start feeling the vibrations, when you get the first Realization, it’s in a very big way. You enjoy that experience. Then Kundalini starts going to other places to supply, for example, to your brain to begin with. Because you have used your brain too much, and still you are using your brain to know about Sahaj Yoga. I think in the beginning when we had started our work here, people used to ask Me questions after questions. I mean, all sensible questions, I mean, all about the knowledge of Sahaja Yoga. It's all concerning the knowledge of Sahaj Yoga, nothing outside, because what is outside Sahaja Yoga I don't know. But still it was only questioning about it, not being. So, how do we grow in Sahaj Yoga? When we have such a thinking capacity. First you jump into thoughtless awareness. Means a thought that rises within you and falls off, and another thought that rises within you and falls off - the space in-between those two thoughts, that is the one we achieve through our Kundalini awakening. We have to establish that space. Now what is that space? That's the mouth of our entry into the processes of the Divine power. Say for example, this is the mouth of this mike. If I say something here or here it won't work out. It will only work out when I say something here. In the same way, if you have a problem, to begin with, a Sahaja Yogi will try to solve it the way he has been solving it before - like he’ll rationalize it, he’ll analyze it. He’ll sit with other Sahaja Yogis, sit down and analyze Sahaja Yoga also. Is a very common pastime with some of the Sahaja Yogis. There’s nothing to analyze in Sahaja Yoga. It is the synthesis. So what we have to do is to feel it more within us and establish that thoughtless awareness. Any problem you have - I’ll give you an example, a very simple example of Regis having, coming to Me. He had his thesis to be put for examination and he was fed up. He couldn't, he didn't even have patience to put in a proper bound and all that. And he came to Me and he said, "Mother what to do with this?" I said, "All right, you bring your thesis to Me." I took the thesis in My hand, that's all. He said, "Aren't You going to read it?" I said, "No, there’s no need to read it." I just closed My eyes, and gave it back to him, I said, "You put it for examination", and third day he was PhD. Now what did I do? No magic, nothing. It's no magic. It's so practical. God has His own powers. He has His own machinery. He has His own government, He has everything. Which is dynamic! You can't imagine how many dimensions He can work it out. Just you have to put it in the mouth of that machinery. If you can do it you get the results easily. Only one thing God cannot do, that is to make you sensible, to make you wise, that's one thing that's your own lookout, that's in your own choice. Because you are guided by your ego. You are identified with your ego. And anything I say may upset you, or may appeal to you. God knows how you are going to react. But only way you can grow is to be in the center to see, not to go to extremes of anything. To be in the center. Even listening to Me try to be in the center. But human beings are funny as I told you, you see, they must go to extremes. You give them any job they must go to the extremes. Anything you give them they cannot keep to the centre, they can never keep the balance. Now see, this one, if it could not be balanced, how can I speak on that? I mean, in day-to-day life we never sit without a balance on a chair, do we? Do we sit on one side all the time? Or do we drive our cars on one side – declined like that? Do we do anything that is under imbalance - say for example, these lights, how they are well balanced. It has to be in balance everything, but in our behavior towards God we are very much imbalanced. For example, if I tell you “Stand on your heads, you will get to God”, you’ll do it. You’ll go on doing it. Till you’ll break your neck, land up in the lunatic asylum you will go on doing it. But you must understand that how can you achieve God by doing these things. These things anybody can do. All these things can be done by anyone whatsoever. But can you pulsate Kundalini in the triangular bone? You cannot, that's not possible for anyone. You can jump, you can shout, you can scream, you can fly (She laughs), maybe, I don't know, but you cannot make your Kundalini pulsate in the triangular bone. Now it is for you to see. But if you are coming with this doubting mind it just doesn't work out. I’m not saying you should have faith in anyone, blind faith is just the same, another extreme of blind faith. They end up in lunatic asylum as I told you. The other day one gentleman met Me in India. He said that “My wife was a great Krishna Bhakta and now she’s ended up in a lunatic asylum”. I said “What Krishna, which one? Was she connected with God? Did she know where Krishna resides within us?”. “No, she gave up the family. She said ‘I’ve become Meerabai’.” This is how we behave towards ourselves when it comes to Sahaj Yog also. Now somebody asked Me today how many, how much we have to meditate. I mean you don't have to meditate at all, to be very frank. I mean, I never meditate. I am in meditation all the time. I don't know how to get out of it. (Laughter) So you don't meditate. You are in it! But to be in it you have to practice a little bit, because you have been identified with so many other things of life. Like, you can be easily thinking. I mean it’s easy for you to think, and very difficult for you not to think, because you have been doing like that. At the slightest pretext you’ll jump into that thinking, and once it starts the horse is galloping. It doesn't stop. So you have to learn to be silent, to stop that thinking. This is what you have to do. But in Sahaja Yoga also we start thinking about it. What can you think about Sahaj Yog? Nothing! You leave it to thoughtless awareness, in that state. So try to be in thoughtless awareness as much as you can. But where do the Western Sahaja Yogis fail - we must understand that. I’m sorry there are new people and I shouldn't expose many things about you. But doesn't matter, they are our children, they won't feel bad about it. Where do we fail, we should face it. We feel this way, that so far we have been great experts in spoiling everything, through our thinking. You give them a cake, they’ll sit down and analyze it, till that the cake will get all cold, is finished, and you just can't eat it. You give them a marriage – they’ll sit down and analyze it, how to make yourself happy. I mean, you are happy there, why do you have to think about it? So make a mess of your marriage. You give them children – you’ll sit down and read some books about your children, by the time the children will be sick and would be good for nothing. So because of our rationality we have learnt to make a mess of everything that is living, that is joy-giving. We have closed our heart completely with our rationality. So, to grow we should be a little irrational in Sahaj Yoga. For example, if you are very meticulous, very particular as you call it, you must try to give up that extreme nature. But if you are extremely careless or you don't care for anything, also that is extreme, that you have to give up. Both extremes are to be given up. You have to be in the center in your attitude. Then only you can grow because you know the sap of life flows through your center, central channel of Sushumna, the parasympathetic, and that's why you should avoid all kinds of extremes. Even in Sahaja Yoga, one has to be careful. It is a mission, but it is not a mission of missionaries. It is the mission of love as such, those who love, those who love human beings. Nothing is more important than love in Sahaj Yoga. You can't be harsh with people whom you love. If you love, if you say something to them, doesn't matter, they won't feel bad. But if you don't love and then just go on sermoning and shouting at them, that’s no good. First establish your love for yourself and for others. You have to establish your love. You should feel hankering for others. Now the competition has to change, the style of competition among Sahaja Yogis, the competition should be how much you love. Who loves more, let there be a competition. Who obliges you more. Who shares more. Who serves others more? Let there be a competition - in loving, not in hating, not in finding faults, in rationalizing I should say of everything. Love cannot be rationalized. I mean, people can't understand why I am so mad about you people. There’s so many people in India who are belonging to the group to which my husband belongs, that style - they can't understand, they said: “This woman has everything. Is She mad? She is going to the villages and wasting Her life, why doesn't She enjoy Herself?” See, they can't understand, I enjoy My love. This is what you must know - to enjoy your virtues, and enjoy your love; and you will be rewarded by it. It’s not hard, it’s the easiest thing. Supposing you love someone - supposing, I mean it’s a big supposition for many - but supposing you really, genuinely love someone. Think like that, I mean in imagination you can think of someone. Now that person is going to meet you - say, you have to go to meet that person and there are lots of odds, you cannot get a taxi, you cannot get a train, you are worried: “Now how to get to that person now. He would be waiting. And he would be worried or she would be waiting. Now what must be happening to them”. You are all the time thinking. And you are worried and then you don't know what to do, “Should we walk?”. Then you walk a little distance and you come back, “No, might get a train, let's try this”. You try all kinds of things, you see, just to reach that person. And then it's raining, and don't have an umbrella. You get completely drenched. Absolutely fagged out, tired but still – and the moment you meet the person, you see the person, all the worries and all the turmoils, all the troubles and all the labor that you have put in, vanishes into thin air and the joy fills your life completely. How love is rewarding! So one must learn to love and not to rationalize. There is big scope in Sahaja Yoga to rationalize because you become even a freer person. You really become free. I mean, after Sahaj Yoga if you want to go to hell, you can go faster than anybody else can, because you really become a free bird. And if you want to go to heaven you can do the same. So, one has to know that we have to learn to compete in loving each other. We have some very beautiful Sahaj Yogis here, very beautiful, and they have said sometimes such beautiful things about others that I sometimes in My vacant mood think of them and I feel very happy. It's just like poetry, to say something good about others. You see, sometimes I provoke and then somebody says good words about others - I feel very happy. Without love we are not going to solve any problem whatsoever. What's the use of having, say, even 10,000 people with vibrations flowing without any love among them? I mean, I just can't think of such a thing. Once you are Realized, you should feel love. But you must fathom it. Because of rational habits, because of this misidentifications before, you cannot give it up. You see you are afraid, people are even afraid to express their love. Somebody brought some sweets one day. I said, "For whom?" He said, "For Sahaj Yogis." So I said, "Why are you giving Me?" He said, "Mother, if You give it would be better, otherwise they may little bit doubt me." Sometimes we want to love, we want to express, but we are afraid that people will misunderstand. Imagine, where are we? What sort of human beings we have become that we are afraid to express our love! Then the recipients also they do not want to have any love, how can that be? Is impossible. Every human being wants to be loved. They will be afraid today, tomorrow, day after they will be all right. [Shri Mataji is now talking about a child] It’s a born realized child. See how, what a personality! It’s a born realized. So many children are born realized, do you know that? Now, how many of you really know about Realization? These great children are born to you and you don't know anything about Realization. So, we have to be bold about our love and little shameless. Let people feel bad, let them think wrong about us, doesn't matter. But express your love. But it should not be filthy love. It should not be mixed love. It should not be with some sort of a possessiveness in it. It should not be love in which you are expressing something else. It should be pure love as the name of your Mother is, absolutely emitting from you. Not with any idea, with any game, with anything whatsoever, because you should know that there is something very beautiful hidden within everyone of you, which your Mother can see - and She loves, loves that part that is within you which is about to be born again. And you are that beautiful. In the same way you should love all the Sahaja Yogis and all the other people of this world, because they are all beautiful beings just covered with three gunas. Let them be that and then your Spirit will recognize the joy. Will emit the joy. You will be a source of joy and you will give joy to others. Give up all your wrong ideas and your set ideas about things, absolutely they are all wrong. Like Hitler believing that all Jews killed Christ. It was he who killed Christ and he was killing all the Jews because Christ was a Jew. He thought killing one Jew was not sufficient so kill all the rest of them. All those who hate have reasoning behind it. They have to give some reasoning because they cannot hate without reasoning. Those who love do not need any reasoning. They have no time to reason it out. They just love. Because they can see something; that love gives them that sight of the beauty of others which is hidden in them. Sometimes some people can be very arrogant, you have seen how people have been rude to Me: makes no difference to Me, to be very frank, because I know behind this rudeness lies that thinking, so respect, respect each other. And know that you have that joy, and you have that power to give that joy to others; and when you give that joy, that joy returns back to you as joy. So what lacks in us that we do not give joy to others. Unless and until you give joy to others the joy doesn't return back to you. That's the lacking. Now do not rationalize that either. Immediately people start thinking about it. We have done a lot, I can tell you, we are enjoying each other quite a lot. It's really enjoyable. If it was not so, you would not have been there together, because there is nothing binding otherwise between us, except for love, except for that joy-giving love. There's nothing else, because we have no money transactions, there’s no business on here at all, any kind. There is no intellectual rapport going on between you and Me, neither there is possibility of Me getting elected to the parliament (laughter), nor I belong to any leadership of any, you can say, these striking people. Without all these things how are we attached to each other? Because there’s something supreme that we can get out of our relationships. That's pure joy. May God bless you all! [Shri Mataji is addressing a new person] …first time, is it? Good. Please put your, just your hands like this, just straight like that. Both the feet should be touching the Mother Earth, just like… with love; just touch you. Just put your hands like this, straight. You may close your eyes, yes, close your eyes, just close. Please close your eyes, close your eyes, close your eyes. Keep your feet steady. Steady, steady yourself. Just steady yourself, and relaxed, relax. Put your hands on your lap, if you think it’s strenuous. Got it. Yes. Just enjoy yourself, you have got it. All you will start feeling cool breeze in your hand, most of you. It’s a tremendous experience, try to remember it. If you can put your bag down, down will be better. And are you wearing a coat also? Is she wearing a coat? She has to be little comfortable. Yes. And - are you wearing a coat? Think if you take out your coat would be better, yes, be comfortable. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes. What’s the matter? Lady: I had an open heart operation. Shri Mataji: Eh? Lady: I had an open heart operation and I still can’t walk, you know. These are shoes. Shri Mataji: Alright. They’ll bring your shoes, please. Lady: I have… - I have in my bag. Shri Mataji: Alright, let her wear the shoes. Lady: Yes? Thank you. Shri Mataji: Yes, please. It’s now, you - I’ll see afterwards little bit, I’ll just treat you, so later on you can get it, alright? I will just treat you. Lady:… my bag… Shri Mataji: Keep them down there, keep the shoes down, just relax. Lady: Thank you. I’m so sorry. Shri Mataji: Can you remove this from here - don’t be sorry. Just enjoy. Please sit down comfortably. Be comfortably, it’s alright. It’s My job. You got it! (She laughs) You have got it too! All of them are going to get it. Great people. You haven’t got it as yet, his Hamsa is catching a little bit. Have you got? Still here, you see, there’s a little… if you keep your eyes open it will work out, you see, catch here. Are you suffering from cold? No, him. Yes. No? Man: No. Shri Mataji: No. Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? Man: Yes. Shri Mataji: It’s alright, just remove your hair from here, a little bit. Yes, let Me see. It’s alright. Better now? (Man: “Yes”) It’s better now? Yes. Did you do any pranayama? Pranayam, did you do? Any yoga asanas and all that? Man: Not really, no. Shri Mataji: That’s little bit. (Man says something) I think they all have got it. Just see them, if they have got, these three people. Just see. You got it? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Good! Very good. Yes, they have. Except for this gentleman, we’ll have to find out. Are you feeling? No. That’s it. I can see that. Put your hands on your… this, and be just, just relax, just relax. Close your eyes. It will work out. And put both the feet comfortably like this, it will work out. It’s better now, see? Close your eyes, enjoy yourself. Just enjoy. (To the lady who had heart surgery) Better? If you had come to Me earlier, there was no need to have an operation for a heart is very easy to cure. Lady: … I had a clinic, and I tried everything, and couldn’t come. Shri Mataji: But you have not tried God so far (She laughs). Lady: Just I tried everything, really. Couldn’t, couldn’t come. There was no other choice I had (indistinct words follow)… Shri Mataji: I know. You see, but we work out through the parasympathetic. You see? Then through parasympathetic everything can work out. Heart can open, Swadishthan can (Lady says something inaudible). Now working out, is it? Left side. For all of you I think, left is weak. (Sahaja yogi: “It’s still there. And Void”) Void. (Sahaja yogi: “The right”) Void. (Inaudible word) But she is a doctor she says. Left Vishuddhi is strong, very strong. (Bad audio quality) Cooling this side? (Lady: “Yes, it is”) Good. (Somebody says: “Cooling”) Good. Left Swadishtana. … Ask him to put his right hand on the Swadishtan. On the lower. Yes, little lower on this side, on the left. You see, little lower. Here, now. Please say the mantra of Nirmala Vidya. What about this gentleman, I wanted to work it out on him. Why didn’t you feel the vibrations? From… Come along, come, let’s see. What’s the matter? Come and sit here. What’s the matter? Man: I don’t know, Mother… Shri Mataji: You haven’t even felt it? Man: No. Shri Mataji: You have forgiven all the people, is it? Sure? Have you? Man: OK. Shri Mataji: You have to say that here. Now come along. Say: “Mother, I have forgiven all the people”. Man: Mother, I have forgiven all the people. Shri Mataji: Again. Man: Mother, I have forgiven all the people. Shri Mataji: Again. Man: Mother, I have forgiven all the people. Shri Mataji: Better. Is it raising? Feeling? Heat. (Man: “Is here”) Heat is there, you see? … Your (?) left side means it is … (indistinct: tepid?). Ah. Man: There’s more tingling, Mother. Shri Mataji: More tingling. In all the fingers? Man: In the palm, it’s here. Shri Mataji: Here. But not in the fingers as such, fingertips. Are you getting any fingertips tingling like this? Man: Yes, little tingling. Shri Mataji: Little bit. See, you are perspiring, also. Can you put this out? Ah, left side. Just come and help Me. Come along, just help Me here. Let Me see what’s the problem, because he hasn’t been able to get his realization. Raise the left, raise the left, left is very weak, you see. They’re perspiring it. Om Shri Ganesha Aham Sakshat. Ah. Now - What about your wife? What did you tell Me? Man: That I’ve never married. Shri Mataji: You never married? Man: Never married. Shri Mataji: Oh! Never!? You never married! Kundalini is not very happy with that. Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi, Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi, Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi, Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi, Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi – ah! Yogi: Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogi: Vishuddhi. On his left side… Shri Mataji: Why don’t you marry now? Will you? If you say you will marry, only if you say that, it will immediately work out. Alright? Better now? Sort of you don’t have an aversion. Man: Eh? Shri Mataji: You don’t have sort of some anger for women or something, do you? No, no, no, no, no. Ah… Still. Just imagine! Only for one reason God is so angry, that you did not marry. How can that be, isn’t it? But your left, left Nabhi is catching, that’s the place of the Gruha Lakshmi, is the Goddess of the household, you see? He is not very happy. Without the wife what is the house? It becomes like a hospital. Ah! Eh? Yes, that goes there, alright, doesn’t matter. And even in Birmingham we are getting arrays of bachelors. Get that Bala married (laughter, She laughs). I tell you, very bad effect! That’s how you’ll learn some balancing in life, you know, when you have wife, children, it’s very simple thing like that. See, this is also extreme behavior, isn’t it? I mean, at this age you should be married. Is it better now? Yogi: Yes, I feel cool, but he has a left Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Left? Yogi: Goes down to the heart now. That’s all. Shri Mataji: Ha! No? Raise it and tie it up. It will work out. You get these hearing troubles some time? Man: No, I had any trouble… Shri Mataji: Stops there… We can see that. Yes? Man: Feeling hot. It gives a lot of heat. Shri Mataji: Should be alright. But it’s awakened. That’s the main point is. It’s just here. You know, without a family life, we are not enriched fully, isn’t it? We have to have children, and family, and all - then you see, the enrichment is complete, isn’t it, in life. Otherwise you become very dry. That’s what has happened in your case. Now, is he better? [Yogi says “Yes… Right Sahasrara”] Right. Done it! Close your eyes. Tie it up. Should be alright. Just tie it up, tie up, tie up. Three of you should put together. See, three of you should do it. Three people who are good at it. It started. Are you feeling any cool breeze now in your hand? (Man: “There isn’t”) No? Not yet. Yogi: It’s still there… Shri Mataji: Comes up and goes down. (Yogi: “And goes down, yes”) Tie it up. Agnya is weak. (Yogi: “Hamsa”) Agnya and Hamsa. Now, toward (unclear) his Vishuddhi it’s very tight. What are you doing, Bala? Come along. Bala thinks you are a very happy man, you see, that’s why he wants to be a bachelor now. (Shri Mataji laughs) What have you been doing with him? Come along, raise his Kundalini. Philip, what’s the matter? Why don’t you give him realization? (Yogi says something like that he thinks whether it is better for him to work on anybody or not) So again you are afraid of giving love? Yogi: Yes, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, there’s nothing to. Why will he have objection? Who can have any objection for Self-realization? Nobody can, come along. He has been coming to Me so many days, he should get it, why not? Left side Vishuddhi. Yogi: His Vishuddhi’s… Shri Mataji: Yes. Now don’t feel guilty about anything, alright? Doesn’t matter if you have not married, you are not to feel guilty about it (She laughs, laughter). Ha! Done, now, see. Ah, alright? Alright, feeling anything cool? Man: I felt on the right hand. Shri Mataji: Good. (Man: “Yes”) Left is the weak side you have, so you have felt it on the right. It’s good. Are you feeling alright? Good! Better now? Now raise up. Eh? You went to some guru, is it? Man: I didn’t see him. Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: I didn’t actually see him, but he is in India, and in various subjects I liked his teachings. Shri Mataji: Who? Man: Shantanand Saraswati. Shri Mataji: Who is this new one? Man: He’s in the Shankaracharyas, I don’t know. Shri Mataji: Ah! All of them are Shankaracharyas. The Shankaracharyas himself are not realized souls, you see, it’s something like (…unclear word…). All the Shankaracharyas, except for one, who is now retired, he had to retire because no realized soul can be a Shankaracharya. See, once they get realization they are out of it. Nobody who is a realized soul can head any religion, religious body, like that. Ha! What does this fellow teach you, this one, this Saraswati fellow? Man: It’s a, yeah, way of life… Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: I think it’s Advaita… (indistinct) Shri Mataji: But for that why do you need a teacher? Shaking, you see? Good. They are good. They are from Brighton. Ah, I told you! I told you about Brighton, remember? They all said: “Horrid vibrations”. I said: “No, in between there are some very good ones”. (Laughter, She laughs) It’s beautiful, they are all from Brighton. It’s great! (Laughter) Really! Just imagine! You all are so great (laughter, She laughs). No, I did tell you. And you. I’m coming to Brighton for a day. That’s… I told you about this (unclear word) on my way back. Hm? Alright? (She laughs). Just here, you know, there’s something here that you catch. Just remove his hair a little bit. Little bit here, here, here, just here. No, on top, yes. That’s it. His Agnya catches, you see. (Yogi: “Yes”) Agnya and Vishuddhi. It’s a combination. (Yogi: “That’s right”) You watch Me here. You watch this portion. Ha! Are you alright now? Feeling anything cool? Man: I’m feeling it cool. Shri Mataji: See, this is alright, started now. Alright? But now you have to give some treatment to the gentleman, otherwise he won’t leave you. You saw how you were shaking? Man: I have to… Shri Mataji: You’ll know that. Man: I’ll have to know… Shri Mataji: They will tell you. (Man: “Thank you”) Bala knows. Alright? Man: Thank you, Mataji. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. I’m happy it has started. (Bad quality audio) … too much left… so that’s left. Now the… have you been to some gurus or someone? No-one? No-one at all. You see, just come here, I’ll tell you (?). Good. Get up, just face Me. Can you sit facing Me? And just pull your… yes, just, you see? See, this one is. Perspiring, this hand. It’s perspiring too, it’s interesting. You have been to no guru or anyone like that? (Man: “No”) To no-one? (Man: “Yes”) Have you been reading these third-eye people and all that? (Man replies no) Something about, what you call… Yogi: He says he has a problem with his mother. Shri Mataji: Good. (A yogini tells Shri Mataji about some connection of the seeker’s mother with the Hare Krishna) Krishna? Hare Rama. Only his mother has been. (Yogini: “Yes…”) He has not been to anything. You feel alright otherwise, normally? (Man: “Yes”) Alright. (Other man: “Sometimes he can get a pain (?) in the temple here build up”) Build like that. And then, what about your sleeping? You feel nice, you get nice sleep or you feel restless? (Man: “Just think”) Just think so? Now good. See, see how cold his feet are. Yogi: Void. Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogi: Void. Shri Mataji: But he says he’s not been to any guru. What sort of books you read, what are you doing? Man: What am I doing? Shri Mataji: Ha. (Man: “I’m just living in a place just waiting to live in the country…”) What are you doing there? In the flat, in the country? What do you do? (Unclear reply – he said he took drugs but he has given up.) Alright. But little drugs you take sometimes. That’s why Void, that’s why the Void. No, no, it’s not the mother’s point, you see, it’s the Void, his, his own problem is the Void. Do you get nervous here in the stomach sometimes? Sometimes you do, isn’t it? Is Void. He is better? The hands are not perspiring so much, are they? Know you can give up drugs, no difficulty, you see? Just you decide you’ll give up, hm? (Man: “Yes”) It’s better now? Good. You see, with some people I’ve seen, drugs don’t have so much effect, but some are very sensitive. It won’t suit you. See, you are a saint. You can’t take drugs. You see - how white the whole thing has become. Better now. Now, come up? (Yogi: “It’s started to cool”) Good. He’s a saint, you see. That’s why he, even little drugs is, is, I can’t even… it depends on, see, what fiber you are made of. Some people I’ve seen they’ll take drums full of it, nothing happens, you see, they don’t get into drugged condition. Some people get it so much, and it affects some people very much. Better now. Better now? (Man: “Yes”) Are you feeling cool breeze? (Man: “No”) No, that’s it. Your Agnya is there, still. You are from Birmingham? Man: No. Shri Mataji: From where? Man: From London. Shri Mataji: From London? Man: Yes. Shri Mataji: Alright. They are perspiring. Just put your hand there. Very slow heart. (Inaudible conversation with a yogi) You must take to garlic. Now, in his case you have to raise the right. Just the opposite of it. Better now? Now, is it better? Man: Still heavy. Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: Still feels heavy in the right. Shri Mataji: Ah, that’s it. To raise it. You’ll be alright. Just look at your father, he’s enjoying himself. He wrote a very nice letter to Me. What do you say? Yogi: Agnya. Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogi: Agnya is there (?). Shri Mataji: Is better now, see? Is improving. But right side very weak. You work out. Sort of receding, you recede, you know? You recede away from things, isn’t it? I mean, you don’t like the world, sort of thing, you want to recede away? That’s what happens to you, is it? Because people are nasty. (Man says something) Eh? But you just don’t… you… what do you feel about life as such, what do you think? Like frustrated? Man: Yes. I spend money… Shri Mataji: That. Man: Yes. And worry about money… Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: Worry about money… Shri Mataji: It’s alright. Man: …feel a bit dejected (unclear). Shri Mataji: You’re not to be dejected, alright? You need to come up. A little. Ha! See now. (Yogi: “Agnya”) Better now? Feeling better? Man: More fresh, alright. Shri Mataji: More fresh. That’s it. Man: This is tinglish… (?) Shri Mataji: You see, that’s it, you see? It’s a thing moves from one to that. Yes? (A small child speaks to Shri Mataji: … flower…) That’s good. You think if I give him the flower he’ll feel better? Alright. You see, her son is saying ‘alright, just you have the flower, let’s see’. (She laughs) Now, is it better? Man: Right starts to get heavy. Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: Right starts to get heavy. Shri Mataji: Heavy. Right. Man: Yes. Shri Mataji: Ah. It’s heavy. (After some silence during which there is probably some workout) So. Man: It’s slightly… Yogi: It’s still… Shri Mataji: Now you are better now. Are you? How are you feeling? Are you feeling any cool breeze? Man: Slightly. Shri Mataji: Slight. What is there to be worried about money? [Man: “To be worried? I guess from that I invested some money and I’m worried that … (indistinct words)… to do these things”] To… to do? Man: To do all these things that I intend to do … (inaudible sentence) Shri Mataji: Where have you invested? Eh? But you have invested money into what projects? (Inaudible sentence of the man. Then says some words sounding like “Selling marijuana” Somebody explains: “Selling drugs.”) Shri Mataji: Oh! That’s dangerous! They are cheats! They are cheats! (Man: “They won’t sell drugs”) No, they can cheat you, they are. It’s obviously, this is such a bad traffic! Money is not everything. Yes, that’s it. And that’s why they can cheat you. Alright? Now, I’ll give them a bandhan. But if you get your money back, then you are not going to go into it anymore. Alright? That’s the promise. Alright. You are literally, absolutely fagged out. You know? You may not. You have to look after yourself. See, the Void is all moving. Yogi: Especially on the right side in here. Shri Mataji: In here. Void is, the lower side. Now. I would suggest for him, tell him the Void mantra. Put him on the photograph. Let him work it out, it will clear. That will solve your financial problem also. You see, it goes simultaneously. Alright? It’s a problem of your Nabhi. He’ll give you the mantra and you work it out. For a week, then come and see Me. (To the yogis) And also of Nabhi. (Yogi: “Yes”) Alright. Good. (A small child’s voice is heard) Should be alright. Eh? Small child: Should I work on somebody? Shri Mataji: On whom do you want to work? Work on hand, let’s see. Eh? Work on Me. I see! (Shri Mataji laughs) That’s the easiest to do, eh? Very nice… See! I’ll work on you, that’s the best! (Shri Mataji kisses the child and laughs) So, who wants to work on, the new baby: see? Wonderful! Nobody else, they don’t want to work on anybody else: he’s very clever! Ah ah ah! Ah ah ah! Ah ah ah! What is there to work? Just to take love! (End of audio)	null	null	null	Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (UK), 13 March 1980 . Many of you here are Sahaja Yogis, means you have known Sahaja Yoga. Also many of you are realized souls and many of you have achieved a great height within yourself. And many of you have assumed the divine grace, its working, its maneuvering and its manifestation very well. It was to be so; it had to work out that way. Human beings have to evolve. They have to evolve, it's God's plan, slow, no doubt, because it's a living process. It's nothing artificial. It has to happen within you. Today only as I told you that even if you may know about Sahaja Yoga, you may know a lot about it, but you have to become, becoming is the problem. Because there are many Sahaja Yogis today and very few new people, first I will of course tell something about Sahaj Yog and then I would like to tell you how to become, that is very important. New phase must start in Sahaja Yoga. The first thing is what is Sahaj Yoga is. Sahaja Yoga means 'born with you'. 'Saha' means with, 'ja' means born. This right to unite with God is born with you. As soon as you are born a human being this right you have. And that is why human beings are seeking. They are somehow aware of that right. Now we have many books. We can call them the holy scriptures, those who have talked about kingdom of God, they have talked about All-pervading power. They have talked about God Almighty. They have talked about Holy Ghost. As in Sanskrit language we call it 'Adi Shakti'. All of them have talked about your rebirth that you are to be born again. But with the advent of science we just felt that this is all unknown. To begin with, it was treated as something very unknown, very difficult, the union with God. But God was not denied. But as the science started growing, the thinking mind was lost in the moorings and it started believing there is no God. It hurt them a little to believe in that. But whether you believe in God or not, it makes no difference. There are people who have ardently believed in God, who have been mad after God, who went to lunatic asylum thinking of God, so many things have happened to them. Of course, there are many scientists also who went to lunatic asylum. So, what was missing? This was the waiting period. And you had to choose the right and the wrong with your own awareness, with your own understanding. That had to be because you had to grow up to a point, your maturity has to come up to a point. Your awareness had to reach a certain state. You had to wait. There is all-pervading power and there is God. But you are not yet connected. If you are not yet connected everything is just a story. Is so artificial. It has no meaning. It was to happen during modern times. It is all predestined. Of course, the results are fantastic. But it was to happen, that thousands are to be connected with that divine power. But this is a living evolutionary process. This is born with you. This is within you. As you cannot become from monkey to human beings, you cannot become higher than human beings by yourself. Somebody has to do it. Somebody has to lead you. Christ had to come on this Earth. Krishna had to come on this Earth. Rama had to come on this Earth, just to give you a push in your awareness. But the time of your culmination has come where you have to really jump into that kingdom of God which is promised. But this is your right and for this you don't have to pay, you don't have to plot, you don't have to work hard. It’s in your own right you are going to get it. This is Sahaj Yoga. Now for the Sahaja Yogis who have got Realization, in their own right again, and it has worked with them, as soon as you get your Realization you start understanding vibrations, you start understanding the Kundalini, you can raise the Kundalini yourself, you can understand your own chakras, you can understand the chakras of others. You start understanding what is vibratory awareness tells you. You have a new awareness within you. An actualization that has taken place in you, by which you can recognize what is right and what is wrong. A rapport is now established between you and the Divine, you and the unconscious, you and God, and you can get answers for whatever you want. But still in the West we are more rational. Whatever we have found out so far is by using our rationality. Our movement in life has been through our rationality, through our thinking and the I.Q. is very high in this country. But in the East people have more of heart. They have used their heart for their seeking, for solving their problems, while we have used our rationality in the West. Because of this the effects of Sahaja Yoga are felt in two different ways. For example, for an Indian, when he gets his Realization, if he is not westernized, if his I.Q. is not very high, of superlative degree you see, or if he has not listened to your Mastermind programs, then, such a simple Indian gets it in a very easy way, thousands of them can get it. And they immediately feel the joy, because joy is the quality of heart. Is the quality of your Spirit that it gives you joy. But with rationality, the mind that has moved with rationality, the life that has lived with rationality, is identified with rationality, first gets the knowledge about Sahaja Yog. You people are much more knowledgeable about Sahaja Yoga than Indians are. For example, Gregoire's book if you give it to some Indian he’ll say, "Oh, it goes over my head. I don't know why, what all this is about" They just can't read it. It's too much. They said, "Sahaja Yoga is so simple, why should there be such a long lecture about it?" But for you it's a treasure. That is how in the West first you get the knowledge but not the joy. While they get the joy first and then the knowledge. All these are the qualities of the Spirit. Your attention can enter into your awareness. That means when you get Realization, the Spirit, you feel through your conscious mind. You start feeling the Spirit through your conscious mind. You start feeling the vibrations flowing through your hands. Your attention is enlightened, means you see that the flow of vibration is recorded by your nerves, by your central nervous system. They can feel the flow of the cool breeze. They can feel the rising of the Kundalini. This is the knowledge about the truth you get, that there is Spirit which is emitting these beautiful waves. So, when you grow, you grow from knowledge towards joy, while an Eastern person grows from joy towards knowledge. That's why the Sahaja Yogis of London are serious people, you see: knowledge makes you very serious. But joy, joy makes you like a child, you live like a child. You don't know how to become serious, very difficult. So how to grow is the problem with the Western people. Now with the Eastern people I will tell them something else, but with you I have to tell you something else. You know that very well that we have to tackle problems which we face and not the problems that others face. You see, is very common human venture that people try to solve the problems that others are facing and never see their own problems. So we have to face our problems that are confronting us - when we are Sahaja Yogis what happens? We start getting knowledge and knowledge and knowledge through vibrations. We start understanding about Chakras. We start understanding as to what Mantras to be said for particular Chakras. We also know how to maneuver the power. We also know how to save ourselves and also know how to save others. We know how to cure others. We know all about medicines. We can cure cancer. We can cure ourselves, we can cure others. And all this comes to us so easily. Apart from that we understand the relationship between science and Sahaj Yog, between economics and Sahaj Yog, between politics and Sahaj Yog, between physics and Sahaj Yog, and between so many other branches of knowledge with Sahaj Yog, because they are also part and parcel of human beings. We start understanding psychology through Sahaj Yog in a new way. We start understanding all the scriptures of the world, because everything is enlightened, and we understand Sahaj Yog. But we do not become fully that, which we have to be. We do not fully manifest our Spirit. If so, we would be completely in joy. The reason for that is very simple, that in the beginning when we start feeling the vibrations, when you get the first Realization, it’s in a very big way. You enjoy that experience. Then Kundalini starts going to other places to supply, for example, to your brain to begin with. Because you have used your brain too much, and still you are using your brain to know about Sahaj Yoga. I think in the beginning when we had started our work here, people used to ask Me questions after questions. I mean, all sensible questions, I mean, all about the knowledge of Sahaja Yoga. It's all concerning the knowledge of Sahaj Yoga, nothing outside, because what is outside Sahaja Yoga I don't know. But still it was only questioning about it, not being. So, how do we grow in Sahaj Yoga? When we have such a thinking capacity. First you jump into thoughtless awareness. Means a thought that rises within you and falls off, and another thought that rises within you and falls off - the space in-between those two thoughts, that is the one we achieve through our Kundalini awakening. We have to establish that space. Now what is that space? That's the mouth of our entry into the processes of the Divine power. Say for example, this is the mouth of this mike. If I say something here or here it won't work out. It will only work out when I say something here. In the same way, if you have a problem, to begin with, a Sahaja Yogi will try to solve it the way he has been solving it before - like he’ll rationalize it, he’ll analyze it. He’ll sit with other Sahaja Yogis, sit down and analyze Sahaja Yoga also. Is a very common pastime with some of the Sahaja Yogis. There’s nothing to analyze in Sahaja Yoga. It is the synthesis. So what we have to do is to feel it more within us and establish that thoughtless awareness. Any problem you have - I’ll give you an example, a very simple example of Regis having, coming to Me. He had his thesis to be put for examination and he was fed up. He couldn't, he didn't even have patience to put in a proper bound and all that. And he came to Me and he said, "Mother what to do with this?" I said, "All right, you bring your thesis to Me." I took the thesis in My hand, that's all. He said, "Aren't You going to read it?" I said, "No, there’s no need to read it." I just closed My eyes, and gave it back to him, I said, "You put it for examination", and third day he was PhD. Now what did I do? No magic, nothing. It's no magic. It's so practical. God has His own powers. He has His own machinery. He has His own government, He has everything. Which is dynamic! You can't imagine how many dimensions He can work it out. Just you have to put it in the mouth of that machinery. If you can do it you get the results easily. Only one thing God cannot do, that is to make you sensible, to make you wise, that's one thing that's your own lookout, that's in your own choice. Because you are guided by your ego. You are identified with your ego. And anything I say may upset you, or may appeal to you. God knows how you are going to react. But only way you can grow is to be in the center to see, not to go to extremes of anything. To be in the center. Even listening to Me try to be in the center. But human beings are funny as I told you, you see, they must go to extremes. You give them any job they must go to the extremes. Anything you give them they cannot keep to the centre, they can never keep the balance. Now see, this one, if it could not be balanced, how can I speak on that? I mean, in day-to-day life we never sit without a balance on a chair, do we? Do we sit on one side all the time? Or do we drive our cars on one side – declined like that? Do we do anything that is under imbalance - say for example, these lights, how they are well balanced. It has to be in balance everything, but in our behavior towards God we are very much imbalanced. For example, if I tell you “Stand on your heads, you will get to God”, you’ll do it. You’ll go on doing it. Till you’ll break your neck, land up in the lunatic asylum you will go on doing it. But you must understand that how can you achieve God by doing these things. These things anybody can do. All these things can be done by anyone whatsoever. But can you pulsate Kundalini in the triangular bone? You cannot, that's not possible for anyone. You can jump, you can shout, you can scream, you can fly (She laughs), maybe, I don't know, but you cannot make your Kundalini pulsate in the triangular bone. Now it is for you to see. But if you are coming with this doubting mind it just doesn't work out. I’m not saying you should have faith in anyone, blind faith is just the same, another extreme of blind faith. They end up in lunatic asylum as I told you. The other day one gentleman met Me in India. He said that “My wife was a great Krishna Bhakta and now she’s ended up in a lunatic asylum”. I said “What Krishna, which one? Was she connected with God? Did she know where Krishna resides within us?”. “No, she gave up the family. She said ‘I’ve become Meerabai’.” This is how we behave towards ourselves when it comes to Sahaj Yog also. Now somebody asked Me today how many, how much we have to meditate. I mean you don't have to meditate at all, to be very frank. I mean, I never meditate. I am in meditation all the time. I don't know how to get out of it. (Laughter) So you don't meditate. You are in it! But to be in it you have to practice a little bit, because you have been identified with so many other things of life. Like, you can be easily thinking. I mean it’s easy for you to think, and very difficult for you not to think, because you have been doing like that. At the slightest pretext you’ll jump into that thinking, and once it starts the horse is galloping. It doesn't stop. So you have to learn to be silent, to stop that thinking. This is what you have to do. But in Sahaja Yoga also we start thinking about it. What can you think about Sahaj Yog? Nothing! You leave it to thoughtless awareness, in that state. So try to be in thoughtless awareness as much as you can. But where do the Western Sahaja Yogis fail - we must understand that. I’m sorry there are new people and I shouldn't expose many things about you. But doesn't matter, they are our children, they won't feel bad about it. Where do we fail, we should face it. We feel this way, that so far we have been great experts in spoiling everything, through our thinking. You give them a cake, they’ll sit down and analyze it, till that the cake will get all cold, is finished, and you just can't eat it. You give them a marriage – they’ll sit down and analyze it, how to make yourself happy. I mean, you are happy there, why do you have to think about it? So make a mess of your marriage. You give them children – you’ll sit down and read some books about your children, by the time the children will be sick and would be good for nothing. So because of our rationality we have learnt to make a mess of everything that is living, that is joy-giving. We have closed our heart completely with our rationality. So, to grow we should be a little irrational in Sahaj Yoga. For example, if you are very meticulous, very particular as you call it, you must try to give up that extreme nature. But if you are extremely careless or you don't care for anything, also that is extreme, that you have to give up. Both extremes are to be given up. You have to be in the center in your attitude. Then only you can grow because you know the sap of life flows through your center, central channel of Sushumna, the parasympathetic, and that's why you should avoid all kinds of extremes. Even in Sahaja Yoga, one has to be careful. It is a mission, but it is not a mission of missionaries. It is the mission of love as such, those who love, those who love human beings. Nothing is more important than love in Sahaj Yoga. You can't be harsh with people whom you love. If you love, if you say something to them, doesn't matter, they won't feel bad. But if you don't love and then just go on sermoning and shouting at them, that’s no good. First establish your love for yourself and for others. You have to establish your love. You should feel hankering for others. Now the competition has to change, the style of competition among Sahaja Yogis, the competition should be how much you love. Who loves more, let there be a competition. Who obliges you more. Who shares more. Who serves others more? Let there be a competition - in loving, not in hating, not in finding faults, in rationalizing I should say of everything. Love cannot be rationalized. I mean, people can't understand why I am so mad about you people. There’s so many people in India who are belonging to the group to which my husband belongs, that style - they can't understand, they said: “This woman has everything. Is She mad? She is going to the villages and wasting Her life, why doesn't She enjoy Herself?” See, they can't understand, I enjoy My love. This is what you must know - to enjoy your virtues, and enjoy your love; and you will be rewarded by it. It’s not hard, it’s the easiest thing. Supposing you love someone - supposing, I mean it’s a big supposition for many - but supposing you really, genuinely love someone. Think like that, I mean in imagination you can think of someone. Now that person is going to meet you - say, you have to go to meet that person and there are lots of odds, you cannot get a taxi, you cannot get a train, you are worried: “Now how to get to that person now. He would be waiting. And he would be worried or she would be waiting. Now what must be happening to them”. You are all the time thinking. And you are worried and then you don't know what to do, “Should we walk?”. Then you walk a little distance and you come back, “No, might get a train, let's try this”. You try all kinds of things, you see, just to reach that person. And then it's raining, and don't have an umbrella. You get completely drenched. Absolutely fagged out, tired but still – and the moment you meet the person, you see the person, all the worries and all the turmoils, all the troubles and all the labor that you have put in, vanishes into thin air and the joy fills your life completely. How love is rewarding! So one must learn to love and not to rationalize. There is big scope in Sahaja Yoga to rationalize because you become even a freer person. You really become free. I mean, after Sahaj Yoga if you want to go to hell, you can go faster than anybody else can, because you really become a free bird. And if you want to go to heaven you can do the same. So, one has to know that we have to learn to compete in loving each other. We have some very beautiful Sahaj Yogis here, very beautiful, and they have said sometimes such beautiful things about others that I sometimes in My vacant mood think of them and I feel very happy. It's just like poetry, to say something good about others. You see, sometimes I provoke and then somebody says good words about others - I feel very happy. Without love we are not going to solve any problem whatsoever. What's the use of having, say, even 10,000 people with vibrations flowing without any love among them? I mean, I just can't think of such a thing. Once you are Realized, you should feel love. But you must fathom it. Because of rational habits, because of this misidentifications before, you cannot give it up. You see you are afraid, people are even afraid to express their love. Somebody brought some sweets one day. I said, "For whom?" He said, "For Sahaj Yogis." So I said, "Why are you giving Me?" He said, "Mother, if You give it would be better, otherwise they may little bit doubt me." Sometimes we want to love, we want to express, but we are afraid that people will misunderstand. Imagine, where are we? What sort of human beings we have become that we are afraid to express our love! Then the recipients also they do not want to have any love, how can that be? Is impossible. Every human being wants to be loved. They will be afraid today, tomorrow, day after they will be all right. [Shri Mataji is now talking about a child] It’s a born realized child. See how, what a personality! It’s a born realized. So many children are born realized, do you know that? Now, how many of you really know about Realization? These great children are born to you and you don't know anything about Realization. So, we have to be bold about our love and little shameless. Let people feel bad, let them think wrong about us, doesn't matter. But express your love. But it should not be filthy love. It should not be mixed love. It should not be with some sort of a possessiveness in it. It should not be love in which you are expressing something else. It should be pure love as the name of your Mother is, absolutely emitting from you. Not with any idea, with any game, with anything whatsoever, because you should know that there is something very beautiful hidden within everyone of you, which your Mother can see - and She loves, loves that part that is within you which is about to be born again. And you are that beautiful. In the same way you should love all the Sahaja Yogis and all the other people of this world, because they are all beautiful beings just covered with three gunas. Let them be that and then your Spirit will recognize the joy. Will emit the joy. You will be a source of joy and you will give joy to others. Give up all your wrong ideas and your set ideas about things, absolutely they are all wrong. Like Hitler believing that all Jews killed Christ. It was he who killed Christ and he was killing all the Jews because Christ was a Jew. He thought killing one Jew was not sufficient so kill all the rest of them. All those who hate have reasoning behind it. They have to give some reasoning because they cannot hate without reasoning. Those who love do not need any reasoning. They have no time to reason it out. They just love. Because they can see something; that love gives them that sight of the beauty of others which is hidden in them. Sometimes some people can be very arrogant, you have seen how people have been rude to Me: makes no difference to Me, to be very frank, because I know behind this rudeness lies that thinking, so respect, respect each other. And know that you have that joy, and you have that power to give that joy to others; and when you give that joy, that joy returns back to you as joy. So what lacks in us that we do not give joy to others. Unless and until you give joy to others the joy doesn't return back to you. That's the lacking. Now do not rationalize that either. Immediately people start thinking about it. We have done a lot, I can tell you, we are enjoying each other quite a lot. It's really enjoyable. If it was not so, you would not have been there together, because there is nothing binding otherwise between us, except for love, except for that joy-giving love. There's nothing else, because we have no money transactions, there’s no business on here at all, any kind. There is no intellectual rapport going on between you and Me, neither there is possibility of Me getting elected to the parliament (laughter), nor I belong to any leadership of any, you can say, these striking people. Without all these things how are we attached to each other? Because there’s something supreme that we can get out of our relationships. That's pure joy. May God bless you all! [Shri Mataji is addressing a new person] …first time, is it? Good. Please put your, just your hands like this, just straight like that. Both the feet should be touching the Mother Earth, just like… with love; just touch you. Just put your hands like this, straight. You may close your eyes, yes, close your eyes, just close. Please close your eyes, close your eyes, close your eyes. Keep your feet steady. Steady, steady yourself. Just steady yourself, and relaxed, relax. Put your hands on your lap, if you think it’s strenuous. Got it. Yes. Just enjoy yourself, you have got it. All you will start feeling cool breeze in your hand, most of you. It’s a tremendous experience, try to remember it. If you can put your bag down, down will be better. And are you wearing a coat also? Is she wearing a coat? She has to be little comfortable. Yes. And - are you wearing a coat? Think if you take out your coat would be better, yes, be comfortable. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes. What’s the matter? Lady: I had an open heart operation. Shri Mataji: Eh? Lady: I had an open heart operation and I still can’t walk, you know. These are shoes. Shri Mataji: Alright. They’ll bring your shoes, please. Lady: I have… - I have in my bag. Shri Mataji: Alright, let her wear the shoes. Lady: Yes? Thank you. Shri Mataji: Yes, please. It’s now, you - I’ll see afterwards little bit, I’ll just treat you, so later on you can get it, alright? I will just treat you. Lady:… my bag… Shri Mataji: Keep them down there, keep the shoes down, just relax. Lady: Thank you. I’m so sorry. Shri Mataji: Can you remove this from here - don’t be sorry. Just enjoy. Please sit down comfortably. Be comfortably, it’s alright. It’s My job. You got it! (She laughs) You have got it too! All of them are going to get it. Great people. You haven’t got it as yet, his Hamsa is catching a little bit. Have you got? Still here, you see, there’s a little… if you keep your eyes open it will work out, you see, catch here. Are you suffering from cold? No, him. Yes. No? Man: No. Shri Mataji: No. Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? Man: Yes. Shri Mataji: It’s alright, just remove your hair from here, a little bit. Yes, let Me see. It’s alright. Better now? (Man: “Yes”) It’s better now? Yes. Did you do any pranayama? Pranayam, did you do? Any yoga asanas and all that? Man: Not really, no. Shri Mataji: That’s little bit. (Man says something) I think they all have got it. Just see them, if they have got, these three people. Just see. You got it? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Good! Very good. Yes, they have. Except for this gentleman, we’ll have to find out. Are you feeling? No. That’s it. I can see that. Put your hands on your… this, and be just, just relax, just relax. Close your eyes. It will work out. And put both the feet comfortably like this, it will work out. It’s better now, see? Close your eyes, enjoy yourself. Just enjoy. (To the lady who had heart surgery) Better? If you had come to Me earlier, there was no need to have an operation for a heart is very easy to cure. Lady: … I had a clinic, and I tried everything, and couldn’t come. Shri Mataji: But you have not tried God so far (She laughs). Lady: Just I tried everything, really. Couldn’t, couldn’t come. There was no other choice I had (indistinct words follow)… Shri Mataji: I know. You see, but we work out through the parasympathetic. You see? Then through parasympathetic everything can work out. Heart can open, Swadishthan can (Lady says something inaudible). Now working out, is it? Left side. For all of you I think, left is weak. (Sahaja yogi: “It’s still there. And Void”) Void. (Sahaja yogi: “The right”) Void. (Inaudible word) But she is a doctor she says. Left Vishuddhi is strong, very strong. (Bad audio quality) Cooling this side? (Lady: “Yes, it is”) Good. (Somebody says: “Cooling”) Good. Left Swadishtana. … Ask him to put his right hand on the Swadishtan. On the lower. Yes, little lower on this side, on the left. You see, little lower. Here, now. Please say the mantra of Nirmala Vidya. What about this gentleman, I wanted to work it out on him. Why didn’t you feel the vibrations? From… Come along, come, let’s see. What’s the matter? Come and sit here. What’s the matter? Man: I don’t know, Mother… Shri Mataji: You haven’t even felt it? Man: No. Shri Mataji: You have forgiven all the people, is it? Sure? Have you? Man: OK. Shri Mataji: You have to say that here. Now come along. Say: “Mother, I have forgiven all the people”. Man: Mother, I have forgiven all the people. Shri Mataji: Again. Man: Mother, I have forgiven all the people. Shri Mataji: Again. Man: Mother, I have forgiven all the people. Shri Mataji: Better. Is it raising? Feeling? Heat. (Man: “Is here”) Heat is there, you see? … Your (?) left side means it is … (indistinct: tepid?). Ah. Man: There’s more tingling, Mother. Shri Mataji: More tingling. In all the fingers? Man: In the palm, it’s here. Shri Mataji: Here. But not in the fingers as such, fingertips. Are you getting any fingertips tingling like this? Man: Yes, little tingling. Shri Mataji: Little bit. See, you are perspiring, also. Can you put this out? Ah, left side. Just come and help Me. Come along, just help Me here. Let Me see what’s the problem, because he hasn’t been able to get his realization. Raise the left, raise the left, left is very weak, you see. They’re perspiring it. Om Shri Ganesha Aham Sakshat. Ah. Now - What about your wife? What did you tell Me? Man: That I’ve never married. Shri Mataji: You never married? Man: Never married. Shri Mataji: Oh! Never!? You never married! Kundalini is not very happy with that. Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi, Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi, Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi, Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi, Aham Sakshat Gruha Lakshmi – ah! Yogi: Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogi: Vishuddhi. On his left side… Shri Mataji: Why don’t you marry now? Will you? If you say you will marry, only if you say that, it will immediately work out. Alright? Better now? Sort of you don’t have an aversion. Man: Eh? Shri Mataji: You don’t have sort of some anger for women or something, do you? No, no, no, no, no. Ah… Still. Just imagine! Only for one reason God is so angry, that you did not marry. How can that be, isn’t it? But your left, left Nabhi is catching, that’s the place of the Gruha Lakshmi, is the Goddess of the household, you see? He is not very happy. Without the wife what is the house? It becomes like a hospital. Ah! Eh? Yes, that goes there, alright, doesn’t matter. And even in Birmingham we are getting arrays of bachelors. Get that Bala married (laughter, She laughs). I tell you, very bad effect! That’s how you’ll learn some balancing in life, you know, when you have wife, children, it’s very simple thing like that. See, this is also extreme behavior, isn’t it? I mean, at this age you should be married. Is it better now? Yogi: Yes, I feel cool, but he has a left Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Left? Yogi: Goes down to the heart now. That’s all. Shri Mataji: Ha! No? Raise it and tie it up. It will work out. You get these hearing troubles some time? Man: No, I had any trouble… Shri Mataji: Stops there… We can see that. Yes? Man: Feeling hot. It gives a lot of heat. Shri Mataji: Should be alright. But it’s awakened. That’s the main point is. It’s just here. You know, without a family life, we are not enriched fully, isn’t it? We have to have children, and family, and all - then you see, the enrichment is complete, isn’t it, in life. Otherwise you become very dry. That’s what has happened in your case. Now, is he better? [Yogi says “Yes… Right Sahasrara”] Right. Done it! Close your eyes. Tie it up. Should be alright. Just tie it up, tie up, tie up. Three of you should put together. See, three of you should do it. Three people who are good at it. It started. Are you feeling any cool breeze now in your hand? (Man: “There isn’t”) No? Not yet. Yogi: It’s still there… Shri Mataji: Comes up and goes down. (Yogi: “And goes down, yes”) Tie it up. Agnya is weak. (Yogi: “Hamsa”) Agnya and Hamsa. Now, toward (unclear) his Vishuddhi it’s very tight. What are you doing, Bala? Come along. Bala thinks you are a very happy man, you see, that’s why he wants to be a bachelor now. (Shri Mataji laughs) What have you been doing with him? Come along, raise his Kundalini. Philip, what’s the matter? Why don’t you give him realization? (Yogi says something like that he thinks whether it is better for him to work on anybody or not) So again you are afraid of giving love? Yogi: Yes, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, there’s nothing to. Why will he have objection? Who can have any objection for Self-realization? Nobody can, come along. He has been coming to Me so many days, he should get it, why not? Left side Vishuddhi. Yogi: His Vishuddhi’s… Shri Mataji: Yes. Now don’t feel guilty about anything, alright? Doesn’t matter if you have not married, you are not to feel guilty about it (She laughs, laughter). Ha! Done, now, see. Ah, alright? Alright, feeling anything cool? Man: I felt on the right hand. Shri Mataji: Good. (Man: “Yes”) Left is the weak side you have, so you have felt it on the right. It’s good. Are you feeling alright? Good! Better now? Now raise up. Eh? You went to some guru, is it? Man: I didn’t see him. Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: I didn’t actually see him, but he is in India, and in various subjects I liked his teachings. Shri Mataji: Who? Man: Shantanand Saraswati. Shri Mataji: Who is this new one? Man: He’s in the Shankaracharyas, I don’t know. Shri Mataji: Ah! All of them are Shankaracharyas. The Shankaracharyas himself are not realized souls, you see, it’s something like (…unclear word…). All the Shankaracharyas, except for one, who is now retired, he had to retire because no realized soul can be a Shankaracharya. See, once they get realization they are out of it. Nobody who is a realized soul can head any religion, religious body, like that. Ha! What does this fellow teach you, this one, this Saraswati fellow? Man: It’s a, yeah, way of life… Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: I think it’s Advaita… (indistinct) Shri Mataji: But for that why do you need a teacher? Shaking, you see? Good. They are good. They are from Brighton. Ah, I told you! I told you about Brighton, remember? They all said: “Horrid vibrations”. I said: “No, in between there are some very good ones”. (Laughter, She laughs) It’s beautiful, they are all from Brighton. It’s great! (Laughter) Really! Just imagine! You all are so great (laughter, She laughs). No, I did tell you. And you. I’m coming to Brighton for a day. That’s… I told you about this (unclear word) on my way back. Hm? Alright? (She laughs). Just here, you know, there’s something here that you catch. Just remove his hair a little bit. Little bit here, here, here, just here. No, on top, yes. That’s it. His Agnya catches, you see. (Yogi: “Yes”) Agnya and Vishuddhi. It’s a combination. (Yogi: “That’s right”) You watch Me here. You watch this portion. Ha! Are you alright now? Feeling anything cool? Man: I’m feeling it cool. Shri Mataji: See, this is alright, started now. Alright? But now you have to give some treatment to the gentleman, otherwise he won’t leave you. You saw how you were shaking? Man: I have to… Shri Mataji: You’ll know that. Man: I’ll have to know… Shri Mataji: They will tell you. (Man: “Thank you”) Bala knows. Alright? Man: Thank you, Mataji. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. I’m happy it has started. (Bad quality audio) … too much left… so that’s left. Now the… have you been to some gurus or someone? No-one? No-one at all. You see, just come here, I’ll tell you (?). Good. Get up, just face Me. Can you sit facing Me? And just pull your… yes, just, you see? See, this one is. Perspiring, this hand. It’s perspiring too, it’s interesting. You have been to no guru or anyone like that? (Man: “No”) To no-one? (Man: “Yes”) Have you been reading these third-eye people and all that? (Man replies no) Something about, what you call… Yogi: He says he has a problem with his mother. Shri Mataji: Good. (A yogini tells Shri Mataji about some connection of the seeker’s mother with the Hare Krishna) Krishna? Hare Rama. Only his mother has been. (Yogini: “Yes…”) He has not been to anything. You feel alright otherwise, normally? (Man: “Yes”) Alright. (Other man: “Sometimes he can get a pain (?) in the temple here build up”) Build like that. And then, what about your sleeping? You feel nice, you get nice sleep or you feel restless? (Man: “Just think”) Just think so? Now good. See, see how cold his feet are. Yogi: Void. Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogi: Void. Shri Mataji: But he says he’s not been to any guru. What sort of books you read, what are you doing? Man: What am I doing? Shri Mataji: Ha. (Man: “I’m just living in a place just waiting to live in the country…”) What are you doing there? In the flat, in the country? What do you do? (Unclear reply – he said he took drugs but he has given up.) Alright. But little drugs you take sometimes. That’s why Void, that’s why the Void. No, no, it’s not the mother’s point, you see, it’s the Void, his, his own problem is the Void. Do you get nervous here in the stomach sometimes? Sometimes you do, isn’t it? Is Void. He is better? The hands are not perspiring so much, are they? Know you can give up drugs, no difficulty, you see? Just you decide you’ll give up, hm? (Man: “Yes”) It’s better now? Good. You see, with some people I’ve seen, drugs don’t have so much effect, but some are very sensitive. It won’t suit you. See, you are a saint. You can’t take drugs. You see - how white the whole thing has become. Better now. Now, come up? (Yogi: “It’s started to cool”) Good. He’s a saint, you see. That’s why he, even little drugs is, is, I can’t even… it depends on, see, what fiber you are made of. Some people I’ve seen they’ll take drums full of it, nothing happens, you see, they don’t get into drugged condition. Some people get it so much, and it affects some people very much. Better now. Better now? (Man: “Yes”) Are you feeling cool breeze? (Man: “No”) No, that’s it. Your Agnya is there, still. You are from Birmingham? Man: No. Shri Mataji: From where? Man: From London. Shri Mataji: From London? Man: Yes. Shri Mataji: Alright. They are perspiring. Just put your hand there. Very slow heart. (Inaudible conversation with a yogi) You must take to garlic. Now, in his case you have to raise the right. Just the opposite of it. Better now? Now, is it better? Man: Still heavy. Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: Still feels heavy in the right. Shri Mataji: Ah, that’s it. To raise it. You’ll be alright. Just look at your father, he’s enjoying himself. He wrote a very nice letter to Me. What do you say? Yogi: Agnya. Shri Mataji: Eh? Yogi: Agnya is there (?). Shri Mataji: Is better now, see? Is improving. But right side very weak. You work out. Sort of receding, you recede, you know? You recede away from things, isn’t it? I mean, you don’t like the world, sort of thing, you want to recede away? That’s what happens to you, is it? Because people are nasty. (Man says something) Eh? But you just don’t… you… what do you feel about life as such, what do you think? Like frustrated? Man: Yes. I spend money… Shri Mataji: That. Man: Yes. And worry about money… Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: Worry about money… Shri Mataji: It’s alright. Man: …feel a bit dejected (unclear). Shri Mataji: You’re not to be dejected, alright? You need to come up. A little. Ha! See now. (Yogi: “Agnya”) Better now? Feeling better? Man: More fresh, alright. Shri Mataji: More fresh. That’s it. Man: This is tinglish… (?) Shri Mataji: You see, that’s it, you see? It’s a thing moves from one to that. Yes? (A small child speaks to Shri Mataji: … flower…) That’s good. You think if I give him the flower he’ll feel better? Alright. You see, her son is saying ‘alright, just you have the flower, let’s see’. (She laughs) Now, is it better? Man: Right starts to get heavy. Shri Mataji: Eh? Man: Right starts to get heavy. Shri Mataji: Heavy. Right. Man: Yes. Shri Mataji: Ah. It’s heavy. (After some silence during which there is probably some workout) So. Man: It’s slightly… Yogi: It’s still… Shri Mataji: Now you are better now. Are you? How are you feeling? Are you feeling any cool breeze? Man: Slightly. Shri Mataji: Slight. What is there to be worried about money? [Man: “To be worried? I guess from that I invested some money and I’m worried that … (indistinct words)… to do these things”] To… to do? Man: To do all these things that I intend to do … (inaudible sentence) Shri Mataji: Where have you invested? Eh? But you have invested money into what projects? (Inaudible sentence of the man. Then says some words sounding like “Selling marijuana” Somebody explains: “Selling drugs.”) Shri Mataji: Oh! That’s dangerous! They are cheats! They are cheats! (Man: “They won’t sell drugs”) No, they can cheat you, they are. It’s obviously, this is such a bad traffic! Money is not everything. Yes, that’s it. And that’s why they can cheat you. Alright? Now, I’ll give them a bandhan. But if you get your money back, then you are not going to go into it anymore. Alright? That’s the promise. Alright. You are literally, absolutely fagged out. You know? You may not. You have to look after yourself. See, the Void is all moving. Yogi: Especially on the right side in here. Shri Mataji: In here. Void is, the lower side. Now. I would suggest for him, tell him the Void mantra. Put him on the photograph. Let him work it out, it will clear. That will solve your financial problem also. You see, it goes simultaneously. Alright? It’s a problem of your Nabhi. He’ll give you the mantra and you work it out. For a week, then come and see Me. (To the yogis) And also of Nabhi. (Yogi: “Yes”) Alright. Good. (A small child’s voice is heard) Should be alright. Eh? Small child: Should I work on somebody? Shri Mataji: On whom do you want to work? Work on hand, let’s see. Eh? Work on Me. I see! (Shri Mataji laughs) That’s the easiest to do, eh? Very nice… See! I’ll work on you, that’s the best! (Shri Mataji kisses the child and laughs) So, who wants to work on, the new baby: see? Wonderful! Nobody else, they don’t want to work on anybody else: he’s very clever! Ah ah ah! Ah ah ah! Ah ah ah! What is there to work? Just to take love! (End of audio)
3/16/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5952	Talk to Sahaja Yogis: The Mother and Her Children	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	14	Talk to yogis, The Mother and Her Children - Advice at Dollis Hill ashram, London, England. 16 March 1980. It’s nice today is Mother’s Day, and You find so many people waiting for You. And also You see Yourself as a Mother, the heart which is pining to meet you, then You can’t get out of some things. And then You enjoy that pining and that longing to see Your own, Your own children whom You love so much. It’s such a great joy; in these modern times, it is described that in this Kali Yuga everything will go upside down because people will not recognize the motherhood. The mothers won’t be respected and won’t be respectable either. Is a fact. And imagine now this has brought this Mother’s Day to this country. It’s something, such a recognition from the Divine, that one has to remember that motherhood is very important. It is the Mother who created the universe; the Father was just a witness to the whole show. It is She works it out the whole thing. It is She makes it beautiful so that He sees the show, that He becomes the spectator, because She loves Her creation. The Father wants that it should be such that He should be able to love it. He is a perfectionist, he wants everything to be perfect. But a Mother accepts as the child is, because that is Her own creation. If there is a defect in the child, She accepts that defect as Her own and She works for it; She works very hard. It’s no sacrifice, because you enjoy it. You enjoy doing that. You enjoy working for your children. And if it was not so, this world would never have existed. You know what untold things mother has to bear when the child is to be born. Actually, it is a test of her love, I feel, at that time. Still she goes on with it because she wants that child. But when this motherhood is spoilt in its image, when the mothers are no more mothers, they are not respectable, then they are not respected. And when the children don’t respect their mothers because they have no respect for anything else whatsoever… I mean, the first thing and the last thing is the respect for the mother. If one does not respect the mother, or the motherhood, that means he has no respect for himself either. So how does he exist? He exists through his mother. So, mother is a very, very important institution for the whole creation, for your creation and for the creation of your children and all the progeny that has to come. Now let us see what does the Mother provide us with, what part of our being She is. I would say that She is everything. But your personal mother who has given you this birth, this body, is your own mother whom you know very clearly that she is your mother. As you know, she gives you the nourishment when you are in a fetus stage; and later on when you grow up she, she gives you all the physical nourishment that is needed for your growth and she enjoys it. Otherwise she feels over-burdened. She wants to give it. And everyone appreciates that. It’s a collective enjoyment. And it’s going on, and it could be seen from all the paintings of the world, all over the world, in every language, in every country, every religion. The mother and the child has been the main theme of paintings and expression of the most joyous moment for painters. Poets also have written such a lot on that. Every way of manifestation of joy, in all the human endeavor has been on this thing, revolving on this thing. But the mother who is your own mother, whom you know as your mother, who gives you physical birth, is the mother who gives you much more than you know of. Because her blood has her vibrations, and when she gives you her blood she gives you her vibrations, she gives her sustenance, she gives you her desires and also she gives you a push in your evolution if she is an evolved person. Now, in mother and the child relationship, mother gives a lot. She gives, makes your complete left side. She creates all that left side in you, because she has desired for you; so she creates that. On the right side she gives you all the beauty of delicate things, and also the hunches that you get in your business or all the flexible moments of your life that you think, “From where unknown I got something?” - that’s your mother’s blessings on you. You choose your own mother, too, when you are born. So no use just condemning your mother because she’s like this, she’s a horrid woman, and she’s this and that and that. Now, you have chosen her; so better have it. And she is a very big part of you, I must say. But she has to be also something to be a mother. It’s a most responsible position is that of a mother. It is even a - much more responsible than that of a king has, to be a mother, because the king can only go up to material level, or up to physical level. And up to rational level, at the most, a philosopher can go. And the emotional level may be fulfilled by the wife. All these things may be done by other people, but spiritual level you can only achieve from your mother’s grace. Any hampering you get in your spiritual ascent could be from so many other problems, but basically it could be from your mother’s side. So mother also can give you her nervousness, she can give you her irritative nature, she can give you her bad temper, she can give you a very cunning nature; she can give you all that is bad in her, just in a bundle. But you can also give her back something special. Supposing a child which is a realized soul is taking birth in a mother and the, if the mother is not a realized soul, then the child will try to clear the Nabhi of the mother and give her lots of vomiting, by which she’ll clear out, or diarrhea or something like that, and try to clear the Nabhi and the Void of the mother. If she has been going to some guru and all that, the child will take full care to see that she gets rid of all the bad things she has received from a bad guru. And tremendous things happen when a woman conceives a realized soul. But even a non-realized soul, when a mother conceives, her face just starts glowing because, see, she is creating something. Is a special blessings of God come on her. But as a Sahaja yogi, when you are reborn as Sahaja yogi, you have your vibrations; then what you do is to give back to your mother by giving her realization. Giving realization is an obligation which cannot be repaid back. Every obligation of this world can be repaid back and the last obligation, is the obligation of mother giving you birth on this earth, can be also repaid back by giving her, her own second birth. You becoming the mother of your mother is the best way you can repay her back. And so - though it is a difficult thing under the circumstances as they are (Shri Mataji laughs) - I know you are all quite worried about this. Not easy, because due to war or whatever it is, in the Western countries the mothers have lost their position, they have lost their moorings, they have lost their significance and they think that they have not been all right as mothers. They think they have not been very helpful to the society by only by being mothers. But they can be brought round gradually by showing that you are so significant yourself and that they are the mothers. They are the mothers who have brought you to this world. Once they start realizing that significance within themselves, I’m sure it will work out. And that’s how you are going to repay it back. And once you have done it, you have done the job. So you don’t have to worry about the other things. You have repaid it. So be happy about it, those who have done that, and those who have not done it will be doing it. So on this day of Mother Day I would like to bless you, that now you have to give birth to so many thousands of people. So the power that your Mother has, of giving birth, the spiritual birth, be bestowed upon all of you so that you do this work with the same grace and with the same patience and love and enjoyment. May God bless you Are you better now? So now, what is it?	null	null	null	Talk to yogis, The Mother and Her Children - Advice at Dollis Hill ashram, London, England. 16 March 1980. It’s nice today is Mother’s Day, and You find so many people waiting for You. And also You see Yourself as a Mother, the heart which is pining to meet you, then You can’t get out of some things. And then You enjoy that pining and that longing to see Your own, Your own children whom You love so much. It’s such a great joy; in these modern times, it is described that in this Kali Yuga everything will go upside down because people will not recognize the motherhood. The mothers won’t be respected and won’t be respectable either. Is a fact. And imagine now this has brought this Mother’s Day to this country. It’s something, such a recognition from the Divine, that one has to remember that motherhood is very important. It is the Mother who created the universe; the Father was just a witness to the whole show. It is She works it out the whole thing. It is She makes it beautiful so that He sees the show, that He becomes the spectator, because She loves Her creation. The Father wants that it should be such that He should be able to love it. He is a perfectionist, he wants everything to be perfect. But a Mother accepts as the child is, because that is Her own creation. If there is a defect in the child, She accepts that defect as Her own and She works for it; She works very hard. It’s no sacrifice, because you enjoy it. You enjoy doing that. You enjoy working for your children. And if it was not so, this world would never have existed. You know what untold things mother has to bear when the child is to be born. Actually, it is a test of her love, I feel, at that time. Still she goes on with it because she wants that child. But when this motherhood is spoilt in its image, when the mothers are no more mothers, they are not respectable, then they are not respected. And when the children don’t respect their mothers because they have no respect for anything else whatsoever… I mean, the first thing and the last thing is the respect for the mother. If one does not respect the mother, or the motherhood, that means he has no respect for himself either. So how does he exist? He exists through his mother. So, mother is a very, very important institution for the whole creation, for your creation and for the creation of your children and all the progeny that has to come. Now let us see what does the Mother provide us with, what part of our being She is. I would say that She is everything. But your personal mother who has given you this birth, this body, is your own mother whom you know very clearly that she is your mother. As you know, she gives you the nourishment when you are in a fetus stage; and later on when you grow up she, she gives you all the physical nourishment that is needed for your growth and she enjoys it. Otherwise she feels over-burdened. She wants to give it. And everyone appreciates that. It’s a collective enjoyment. And it’s going on, and it could be seen from all the paintings of the world, all over the world, in every language, in every country, every religion. The mother and the child has been the main theme of paintings and expression of the most joyous moment for painters. Poets also have written such a lot on that. Every way of manifestation of joy, in all the human endeavor has been on this thing, revolving on this thing. But the mother who is your own mother, whom you know as your mother, who gives you physical birth, is the mother who gives you much more than you know of. Because her blood has her vibrations, and when she gives you her blood she gives you her vibrations, she gives her sustenance, she gives you her desires and also she gives you a push in your evolution if she is an evolved person. Now, in mother and the child relationship, mother gives a lot. She gives, makes your complete left side. She creates all that left side in you, because she has desired for you; so she creates that. On the right side she gives you all the beauty of delicate things, and also the hunches that you get in your business or all the flexible moments of your life that you think, “From where unknown I got something?” - that’s your mother’s blessings on you. You choose your own mother, too, when you are born. So no use just condemning your mother because she’s like this, she’s a horrid woman, and she’s this and that and that. Now, you have chosen her; so better have it. And she is a very big part of you, I must say. But she has to be also something to be a mother. It’s a most responsible position is that of a mother. It is even a - much more responsible than that of a king has, to be a mother, because the king can only go up to material level, or up to physical level. And up to rational level, at the most, a philosopher can go. And the emotional level may be fulfilled by the wife. All these things may be done by other people, but spiritual level you can only achieve from your mother’s grace. Any hampering you get in your spiritual ascent could be from so many other problems, but basically it could be from your mother’s side. So mother also can give you her nervousness, she can give you her irritative nature, she can give you her bad temper, she can give you a very cunning nature; she can give you all that is bad in her, just in a bundle. But you can also give her back something special. Supposing a child which is a realized soul is taking birth in a mother and the, if the mother is not a realized soul, then the child will try to clear the Nabhi of the mother and give her lots of vomiting, by which she’ll clear out, or diarrhea or something like that, and try to clear the Nabhi and the Void of the mother. If she has been going to some guru and all that, the child will take full care to see that she gets rid of all the bad things she has received from a bad guru. And tremendous things happen when a woman conceives a realized soul. But even a non-realized soul, when a mother conceives, her face just starts glowing because, see, she is creating something. Is a special blessings of God come on her. But as a Sahaja yogi, when you are reborn as Sahaja yogi, you have your vibrations; then what you do is to give back to your mother by giving her realization. Giving realization is an obligation which cannot be repaid back. Every obligation of this world can be repaid back and the last obligation, is the obligation of mother giving you birth on this earth, can be also repaid back by giving her, her own second birth. You becoming the mother of your mother is the best way you can repay her back. And so - though it is a difficult thing under the circumstances as they are (Shri Mataji laughs) - I know you are all quite worried about this. Not easy, because due to war or whatever it is, in the Western countries the mothers have lost their position, they have lost their moorings, they have lost their significance and they think that they have not been all right as mothers. They think they have not been very helpful to the society by only by being mothers. But they can be brought round gradually by showing that you are so significant yourself and that they are the mothers. They are the mothers who have brought you to this world. Once they start realizing that significance within themselves, I’m sure it will work out. And that’s how you are going to repay it back. And once you have done it, you have done the job. So you don’t have to worry about the other things. You have repaid it. So be happy about it, those who have done that, and those who have not done it will be doing it. So on this day of Mother Day I would like to bless you, that now you have to give birth to so many thousands of people. So the power that your Mother has, of giving birth, the spiritual birth, be bestowed upon all of you so that you do this work with the same grace and with the same patience and love and enjoyment. May God bless you Are you better now? So now, what is it?
3/17/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=19732	Interview with BBC Radio Broadcast	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Interview	English	22	Interview with BBC Radio Broadcast, London, 17 March 1980 Lady interviewer: Vibratory awareness. Now I need to place you in collective consciousness, the second birth. The places we call the hippy trend in the 60’s with yellow roads and the solemn gurus. After those days going strong and today a new book is published to claim yet another new dawn to call as phrases from its present out [unsure].The book is called The Advent and it deals with the vibratory awareness available through something called Sahaja Yoga. It has been in congress [unsure] and written by Gregoire de Kalbermatten of the Swiss diplomatic corp. Based in London and press-launched in India House to the Indian High Commissioner and to the founder of Sahaja Yoga, Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi. And it’s very true and he set out to meet the lady who was not yet vibrating the sample [unsure]. Second interviewer: The London flat where lives Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi [inaudible] has been redecorated with tapestries and traditional Indian wood carvings. I removed my shoes and have been sitting. In the living room was introduced to Shri Mataji, which means Mother. She’s a plump middle-aged woman dressed in a sari, intelligent from birth in mid-life. Here over the tea and Indian sweets, we discussed how to achieve vibratory awareness. And here comes the difficult part: in a debate lasting several hours, She parried all my objections to her thoughtless awareness and evolution releasing with simple question: how is it done? The answer, it seems, is Sahaja Yoga, the releasing of the potential in every human being to conceive their spiritual integration.I sat on an armchair, palms upwards, and Mataji made these curious passes over my hand — in fact various parts of my head — in an effort to encourage my natural vital force to spring from within me. She claimed that she could see it; I certainly couldn’t.She told me I had sinus trouble, which is true, and liver problems which, as far as I know is not. I did feel relaxed, peaceful, and positive. Shri Mataji explained the benefits of vibratory awareness. [The interviewer presents an extract from Shri Mataji’s interview.]"You’ll get complete integration of your mental, physical and emotional being. Secondly, your mental, emotional, physical being is completely benefited because you get connected with the main source. For example, if you are going by a car and if your petrol is finished, then you built up a tension. But if you are connected to a source from where the energy is all the time coming, all your mental, physical, emotional energy is coming from one source, and if that is opened out, in the medical terminology if you can master your parasympathetic nervous system, then there is no problem coming.And all the time you are little dynamic or lethargic. Must be- potential from [inaudible], you don’t feel tired and you are absolutely relaxed. The tensions are lost and your diseases, physical diseases disappear, emotional problems disappear and you become a very normal person. Interviewer: This sounds absolutely marvellous! I mean, if it’s truly prone to be easy, why isn’t everyone doing it?Shri Mataji: It’s the easiest thing, people don’t want to do. You see, if I tell people to stand on their heads they will be very happy. They’ll pay money for that if I tell them to stand on their heads, you see. People don’t want to do easy things because that challenges their ego.Interviewer: Do you charge for your knowledge?Shri Mataji: Not at all! How can you pay for love? How can you pay a single pie for God’s love? It’s not proper. " [The interviewer resumes his monologue.]But all of this is quite hard to swallow. And so I was surprised to learn that the movement and the several [inaudible] in Indian and British [inaudible] is endorsed by the Indian High Commission and claimed to assist the Indian Government. But Mataji is not the first Indian guru who claims to give increased awareness, accompanied by impenetrable religious or psychological jargon. Yoga itself is quite acceptable these days. But how is Shri Mataji’s new method different from all the others? When it gets proven to be an expensive nonsense? [Extract of Shri Mataji]:"Some of them are robbers, some of them are fakes, some are enterprisers. I agree entirely that it’s false. But if there is such a thing, an export working of good people, there must be something genuine also because if you find so many fake people, then everything fake must have some genuine basis and there must be something genuine. The only trouble is how to go about it? How do you find out the reality? In your proper understanding, what you have to find out, what is an experience, all that you must know, you must be very strict about it, and then only you can find out. But if you are naïve, they can make money out of you. Why not? That’s how they are. The world is like that. Interviewer: So, why then should I or anyone else listen to that [?] that You have something to offer?Shri Mataji: You see, because I don’t want you to believe, as I have told you. You don’t have to believe into anything. You have to experience it. The point is of experience. You don’t have to believe into it at all. There is no need to believe but you should also deny everything. Keep your eyes open just like you would to any knowledge. But to say that this is a new idea, it’s not true because this has been there. You are your own guru. Everybody has said that your guru, is within you. Only thing, it has just to be awakened. I’m not a guru. I’m just a Mother. Interviewer: Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi.	null	null	null	Interview with BBC Radio Broadcast, London, 17 March 1980 Lady interviewer: Vibratory awareness. Now I need to place you in collective consciousness, the second birth. The places we call the hippy trend in the 60’s with yellow roads and the solemn gurus. After those days going strong and today a new book is published to claim yet another new dawn to call as phrases from its present out [unsure].The book is called The Advent and it deals with the vibratory awareness available through something called Sahaja Yoga. It has been in congress [unsure] and written by Gregoire de Kalbermatten of the Swiss diplomatic corp. Based in London and press-launched in India House to the Indian High Commissioner and to the founder of Sahaja Yoga, Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi. And it’s very true and he set out to meet the lady who was not yet vibrating the sample [unsure]. Second interviewer: The London flat where lives Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi [inaudible] has been redecorated with tapestries and traditional Indian wood carvings. I removed my shoes and have been sitting. In the living room was introduced to Shri Mataji, which means Mother. She’s a plump middle-aged woman dressed in a sari, intelligent from birth in mid-life. Here over the tea and Indian sweets, we discussed how to achieve vibratory awareness. And here comes the difficult part: in a debate lasting several hours, She parried all my objections to her thoughtless awareness and evolution releasing with simple question: how is it done? The answer, it seems, is Sahaja Yoga, the releasing of the potential in every human being to conceive their spiritual integration.I sat on an armchair, palms upwards, and Mataji made these curious passes over my hand — in fact various parts of my head — in an effort to encourage my natural vital force to spring from within me. She claimed that she could see it; I certainly couldn’t.She told me I had sinus trouble, which is true, and liver problems which, as far as I know is not. I did feel relaxed, peaceful, and positive. Shri Mataji explained the benefits of vibratory awareness. [The interviewer presents an extract from Shri Mataji’s interview.]"You’ll get complete integration of your mental, physical and emotional being. Secondly, your mental, emotional, physical being is completely benefited because you get connected with the main source. For example, if you are going by a car and if your petrol is finished, then you built up a tension. But if you are connected to a source from where the energy is all the time coming, all your mental, physical, emotional energy is coming from one source, and if that is opened out, in the medical terminology if you can master your parasympathetic nervous system, then there is no problem coming.And all the time you are little dynamic or lethargic. Must be- potential from [inaudible], you don’t feel tired and you are absolutely relaxed. The tensions are lost and your diseases, physical diseases disappear, emotional problems disappear and you become a very normal person. Interviewer: This sounds absolutely marvellous! I mean, if it’s truly prone to be easy, why isn’t everyone doing it?Shri Mataji: It’s the easiest thing, people don’t want to do. You see, if I tell people to stand on their heads they will be very happy. They’ll pay money for that if I tell them to stand on their heads, you see. People don’t want to do easy things because that challenges their ego.Interviewer: Do you charge for your knowledge?Shri Mataji: Not at all! How can you pay for love? How can you pay a single pie for God’s love? It’s not proper. " [The interviewer resumes his monologue.]But all of this is quite hard to swallow. And so I was surprised to learn that the movement and the several [inaudible] in Indian and British [inaudible] is endorsed by the Indian High Commission and claimed to assist the Indian Government. But Mataji is not the first Indian guru who claims to give increased awareness, accompanied by impenetrable religious or psychological jargon. Yoga itself is quite acceptable these days. But how is Shri Mataji’s new method different from all the others? When it gets proven to be an expensive nonsense? [Extract of Shri Mataji]:"Some of them are robbers, some of them are fakes, some are enterprisers. I agree entirely that it’s false. But if there is such a thing, an export working of good people, there must be something genuine also because if you find so many fake people, then everything fake must have some genuine basis and there must be something genuine. The only trouble is how to go about it? How do you find out the reality? In your proper understanding, what you have to find out, what is an experience, all that you must know, you must be very strict about it, and then only you can find out. But if you are naïve, they can make money out of you. Why not? That’s how they are. The world is like that. Interviewer: So, why then should I or anyone else listen to that [?] that You have something to offer?Shri Mataji: You see, because I don’t want you to believe, as I have told you. You don’t have to believe into anything. You have to experience it. The point is of experience. You don’t have to believe into it at all. There is no need to believe but you should also deny everything. Keep your eyes open just like you would to any knowledge. But to say that this is a new idea, it’s not true because this has been there. You are your own guru. Everybody has said that your guru, is within you. Only thing, it has just to be awakened. I’m not a guru. I’m just a Mother. Interviewer: Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi.
3/17/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5959	BBC Interview	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Interview	English	26	BBC Interview. London, England. 17 March 1980. Interviewer: I would like to welcome everybody particularly I want to have word before we do start the afternoon interview with some of the [inaudible] and have different opinions about some of my public programs for people that I interview who have different points of view from the main stream of a Christian thinking of radio 74. there those of you have written to me and said, I do not like anything that is not oh, let’s say it loose terms born again Christianity and I don't think Christian station or anyone the call itself Christian should have any other kind of ideas there, others of you who right into say I understand that you have to be tolerate it because you're the only English language station and it would get pretty rough for you if you want tolerate and so therefore I accept this is some kind of a grudging conversation to keep out another point of view then I have a high value very much. I have had several business man who said me, I cannot stand religious program and I never listen to such and they turn me off completely except on the ones that you run because you never trying so many thing. You always say, listen a few point of view or had how do you like this? How does this strike you? Or would you believe this? or you just be said listen something beautiful and they say therefore I really enjoy for the first time listening to the various people point of view about god, about heaven, about nature of man and about why were all gathered you together on this earth? What were working toward? And why? How? who? And could it be any better. So today those of you who truly dislike hearing anything about, those eternal questions that does not confined itself to your own Spector of believe. I sincerely and with great love invite you to turn off your radio and go out, walking the gardener, look at the clouds or do something else make a cake to give it to somebody in beautiful gesture, but this is not your place because today We have would about someone who might be eager to hear, I feel that I going to learn many many things, but I have never before a woman whose name is Shri Mataji Shri Mataji: Mataji Nirmala Devi it's my full name. Interviewer: Shri Mataji and she has had some purpose of the Geneva before which would rather controversial but she did not it like and didn't not want and I think that, I'll be speaking which is just a little Hyde Park a corner here in this lovely corner of the old tough one. There should be a privilege to listen to someone who has a message that we can decide very quietly wouldn't ourselves with love and with reflection and without activity. Whether we find something (inaudible). I feel a live today this so we are on the tape so that you won’t try and call in today it would not be possible will have an open time of day and you will then be able to call in if you have something to say, but could you join me now in a very cordial in a very easy special welcome to Shri Mataji. A great Welcome to you. Shri Mataji: Thank you so much Interviewer: In the country of India I know that there is much talk the word enlightenment is used in a way that perhaps we of this world don't completely understand, with that we please to start that your talk to a little bit about enlightenment and going to your speech. Shri Mataji: Yes, India has a special advantage over other countries. As far as the nature is concert because the nature of our country such a that people don't have to worry so much of combating the nature. It's a warm country and it has a very fertile country and it doesn't required too much for you to existing that place because even exist under tree. It can lead a very very simple life in India and you need not have all the elaboration we need here to fight the nature. As a result of time many people who were quite satisfied with their maintain life took to deeper seeking. Thousands of years back that country where they wanted to find out the secret of life. Everyone to know why we are on this earth and why we are existing like that? Is there any greater purpose of being here? And such a people having able to discover something very great and that what they called as an enlightenment that we have to have. But I would say it not only that the Christian have talk about it. Indians have talked, Christians have talked then Islamic religion has talked, of course Mojesh talk, everybody talk about it that you have to become a spirit. Interviewer: Did you have to become the spirit? Shri Mataji: You to be born again of the spirit. Interviewer: Of the spirit, and this is a common trend through all religions. Shri Mataji: But, difference between the Indian life and the western life is basically what? And that is, that we believe that all our efforts should be that to be a spirit in India. And outside it is not so, that all of the effort should be that is not so. Secondly there is one more point which is very very subtle and if you understand little that in India religion is not organized, so that it is not brought to the artificial level, if you have to become spirit then it has to be a living process, by the living force of a revolution. So you cannot just brand somebody, you cannot say that you are that. If this is the problem, why here the people can become Christen without getting the proper experience so being Christen or they can be Muslim without become a really the Muslim. The really to become something is a happening with in us which comes through evolutionary process of a living process of a living body which everybody has talked out. Now why the people have organized religion here? this can't be explained. Because they are organizing everything in the West perhaps I’m also organizing god. But in India they understand that you cannot organized it. It's happening that’s we have to have and because thousands of years back people have been looking into it. So they know what to except? When you are enlightened. What happens to you? what happens to your consciousness? They know that your consciousness has to change that you have to be at a higher consciousness and that is called as "Samuhik chetana" means collective consciousness. Interviewer: And that can be universal? Good collective consciousness has universal. Shri Mataji: Yes, that you become a part of whole universe, it become in sense of that you have become consciousness in your central nervous system, and you can feel the other person. For example supposing I can feel you, I can feel your center, then you are not other, you are me, Then there is no other. This is happening which is reality, which is not just a position nor a mental projection or an organization. Interviewer: Is this is an any way the equipment like a Christen and this one mind in the universe? Shri Mataji: Of course the same, of course the same. In India Christ is a respected as a Mahavishnu. It describes thousands of year back. Even before he came to this earth his described there. But you see people never connected. In India Christ with Mahavishnu because the image we got of Christ was very funny. Interviewer: How was that? Shri Mataji: First of all image we got that we can get converted that is absurd for us. Because how we can get convert it. See by branding to somebody how you can become better? Interviewer: How you become better? Shri Mataji: Just you brand somebody. Supposing I said, I am the governor, where become governor? You see becoming part is missing, so we couldn't understand what sort of Christ “ishamashi” who just send the people just to brand us something like a Christian. And the secondly reason, the another image we had about Christ was that he is the one who talks of the spirit and nothing else. So the people who have to do the work of Christ have to give enlightenment. They are to be enlightened people. Interviewer: And this enlightenment is truly becoming one with the whole, with the whole. That is just have anything to do with what I understand is your bhavana (emotions) or eventually rising so higher consciousness that you become a blend like a drop of water with blend into the ocean. Shri Mataji: Yes. It is the same thing. Interviewer: So you eventually would loose to individuality. Shri Mataji: No, not an individuality, but it is like (you see) the tree if you see every leaf is different. Interviewer: yes. Shri Mataji: But it is supplied by same source. If the leaf become consious of the source, it doesn't leave its identity, but it's consciousness of the source and it nourish by the source. Interviewer: And then being conscious of the source and putting your... Shri Mataji: if being enlightened Interviewer: conscious of source being enlightened. Shri Mataji: Yeah. On the central nervous system. Conscious doesn't mean mental. On the central nervous system you should feel the force flowing through your fingers. Interviewer: That's an equipment to something in Christianity person that you say, I feel today and I’m develop in grace. Shri Mataji: Yes, but it is not today. Once you have it. But it's not today. In Christianity, Christianity is nothing but enlightenment. True Christianity, again I’m said true Christianity. This is true which I am talking about where you actually see the rising of the force from sacrum bone with your naked eyes which pulses through reaches your fontanel bone area at top of your head and give you (inaudible) so that you can feel cool breeze of Holy Ghost coming out of your head. Actually you see that. Interviewer: How do you feel that? How does it happens? Shri Mataji: It happens spontaneously. It has to be living process. How this living thing happened? Supposing you ask me a question, how does a seed sprout? What will I say, you put it into mother earth. I will tell you the history about consciousness if you followed, that first of all, you see it was masculine development of the consciousness like extrusion. Like tree growing too much sort of thing and all this thing have developed so much have gone to an extent now that it has to stop. Now what is second part? Now as you see in world there is famine consciousness coming into play. Of course in wrong way may be like a pendulum, it is a rebellion. They are going to rebellion which is nonsense, you see and may be that as they are acting just like a men and thinking that they are sort of achieving something raise in consciousness is wrong. But you have to do consciousness always move spirally higher whenever you become a from one to another, you are born at a higher consciousness. So this is rebellion. I’m talking of revaluation that has taken place. Now this revaluation only take place, when this must be development which achieve with nourishment from the feminine part. see from the womb, from the mother earth, you see so far we exploding the mother earth, creating all kinds of problems someone they have done it. Now they have to take next step, and this is the time where the force that I am telling you which is called as "Kundalini".It represents the womb, it represents the feminine personality which rises?. Is called as also "kumbha" which you called Aquarius. It represents the Aquarius and that's why this is the ease of the Aquarius. Where this Kundalini rises and she gives the realization. First, human being have developed up to this stage as you are and then this Kundalini had to rise. So the time has come. The blossom time has come all this describe in Bible also. Interviewer: How? , Where? Shri Mataji: of course, that will say comforter will come. Christ talk about future. He didn't say that stop the everything now, comforter has to come (inaudible) and counselor has to come. Then he has also talk, John has said that, he has seen, vision and all those things are there. So Now, what comforter has to do? What are the quantities of the womb in comforter? Interviewer: So you feel that the opening of this consciousness is now coming at the end of the age of the flesh and going into the Age of Aquarius that everything will change. Shri Mataji: Of course, that is what it is. And it has to change. Because what happens when you become collectively consigns. I mean it’s a thing now you have become human being. So now you become human being your consciousness is a different from that of animal. For example, animal if you put near dirty lake, he can pass through it but human being cannot. Because he has an another consciousness. Now this consciousness is so much higher that you become collectively consciousness about which you has to talk to lord about collectively. And this is what actual happening. Actualization that you should experience. And this is the difference between the western organized religion and eastern an organized. Where individuals have to find something for betterment of the whole. Interviewer: But I understand that there are temples in India to Various built or different state of consciousness. And so how is that not organized? Shri Mataji: You see, that is not organized. This are built by people around the jester, the village people just organized one temple and have it there and they have their own thesis, no problem at all.	null	null	null	BBC Interview. London, England. 17 March 1980. Interviewer: I would like to welcome everybody particularly I want to have word before we do start the afternoon interview with some of the [inaudible] and have different opinions about some of my public programs for people that I interview who have different points of view from the main stream of a Christian thinking of radio 74. there those of you have written to me and said, I do not like anything that is not oh, let’s say it loose terms born again Christianity and I don't think Christian station or anyone the call itself Christian should have any other kind of ideas there, others of you who right into say I understand that you have to be tolerate it because you're the only English language station and it would get pretty rough for you if you want tolerate and so therefore I accept this is some kind of a grudging conversation to keep out another point of view then I have a high value very much. I have had several business man who said me, I cannot stand religious program and I never listen to such and they turn me off completely except on the ones that you run because you never trying so many thing. You always say, listen a few point of view or had how do you like this? How does this strike you? Or would you believe this? or you just be said listen something beautiful and they say therefore I really enjoy for the first time listening to the various people point of view about god, about heaven, about nature of man and about why were all gathered you together on this earth? What were working toward? And why? How? who? And could it be any better. So today those of you who truly dislike hearing anything about, those eternal questions that does not confined itself to your own Spector of believe. I sincerely and with great love invite you to turn off your radio and go out, walking the gardener, look at the clouds or do something else make a cake to give it to somebody in beautiful gesture, but this is not your place because today We have would about someone who might be eager to hear, I feel that I going to learn many many things, but I have never before a woman whose name is Shri Mataji Shri Mataji: Mataji Nirmala Devi it's my full name. Interviewer: Shri Mataji and she has had some purpose of the Geneva before which would rather controversial but she did not it like and didn't not want and I think that, I'll be speaking which is just a little Hyde Park a corner here in this lovely corner of the old tough one. There should be a privilege to listen to someone who has a message that we can decide very quietly wouldn't ourselves with love and with reflection and without activity. Whether we find something (inaudible). I feel a live today this so we are on the tape so that you won’t try and call in today it would not be possible will have an open time of day and you will then be able to call in if you have something to say, but could you join me now in a very cordial in a very easy special welcome to Shri Mataji. A great Welcome to you. Shri Mataji: Thank you so much Interviewer: In the country of India I know that there is much talk the word enlightenment is used in a way that perhaps we of this world don't completely understand, with that we please to start that your talk to a little bit about enlightenment and going to your speech. Shri Mataji: Yes, India has a special advantage over other countries. As far as the nature is concert because the nature of our country such a that people don't have to worry so much of combating the nature. It's a warm country and it has a very fertile country and it doesn't required too much for you to existing that place because even exist under tree. It can lead a very very simple life in India and you need not have all the elaboration we need here to fight the nature. As a result of time many people who were quite satisfied with their maintain life took to deeper seeking. Thousands of years back that country where they wanted to find out the secret of life. Everyone to know why we are on this earth and why we are existing like that? Is there any greater purpose of being here? And such a people having able to discover something very great and that what they called as an enlightenment that we have to have. But I would say it not only that the Christian have talk about it. Indians have talked, Christians have talked then Islamic religion has talked, of course Mojesh talk, everybody talk about it that you have to become a spirit. Interviewer: Did you have to become the spirit? Shri Mataji: You to be born again of the spirit. Interviewer: Of the spirit, and this is a common trend through all religions. Shri Mataji: But, difference between the Indian life and the western life is basically what? And that is, that we believe that all our efforts should be that to be a spirit in India. And outside it is not so, that all of the effort should be that is not so. Secondly there is one more point which is very very subtle and if you understand little that in India religion is not organized, so that it is not brought to the artificial level, if you have to become spirit then it has to be a living process, by the living force of a revolution. So you cannot just brand somebody, you cannot say that you are that. If this is the problem, why here the people can become Christen without getting the proper experience so being Christen or they can be Muslim without become a really the Muslim. The really to become something is a happening with in us which comes through evolutionary process of a living process of a living body which everybody has talked out. Now why the people have organized religion here? this can't be explained. Because they are organizing everything in the West perhaps I’m also organizing god. But in India they understand that you cannot organized it. It's happening that’s we have to have and because thousands of years back people have been looking into it. So they know what to except? When you are enlightened. What happens to you? what happens to your consciousness? They know that your consciousness has to change that you have to be at a higher consciousness and that is called as "Samuhik chetana" means collective consciousness. Interviewer: And that can be universal? Good collective consciousness has universal. Shri Mataji: Yes, that you become a part of whole universe, it become in sense of that you have become consciousness in your central nervous system, and you can feel the other person. For example supposing I can feel you, I can feel your center, then you are not other, you are me, Then there is no other. This is happening which is reality, which is not just a position nor a mental projection or an organization. Interviewer: Is this is an any way the equipment like a Christen and this one mind in the universe? Shri Mataji: Of course the same, of course the same. In India Christ is a respected as a Mahavishnu. It describes thousands of year back. Even before he came to this earth his described there. But you see people never connected. In India Christ with Mahavishnu because the image we got of Christ was very funny. Interviewer: How was that? Shri Mataji: First of all image we got that we can get converted that is absurd for us. Because how we can get convert it. See by branding to somebody how you can become better? Interviewer: How you become better? Shri Mataji: Just you brand somebody. Supposing I said, I am the governor, where become governor? You see becoming part is missing, so we couldn't understand what sort of Christ “ishamashi” who just send the people just to brand us something like a Christian. And the secondly reason, the another image we had about Christ was that he is the one who talks of the spirit and nothing else. So the people who have to do the work of Christ have to give enlightenment. They are to be enlightened people. Interviewer: And this enlightenment is truly becoming one with the whole, with the whole. That is just have anything to do with what I understand is your bhavana (emotions) or eventually rising so higher consciousness that you become a blend like a drop of water with blend into the ocean. Shri Mataji: Yes. It is the same thing. Interviewer: So you eventually would loose to individuality. Shri Mataji: No, not an individuality, but it is like (you see) the tree if you see every leaf is different. Interviewer: yes. Shri Mataji: But it is supplied by same source. If the leaf become consious of the source, it doesn't leave its identity, but it's consciousness of the source and it nourish by the source. Interviewer: And then being conscious of the source and putting your... Shri Mataji: if being enlightened Interviewer: conscious of source being enlightened. Shri Mataji: Yeah. On the central nervous system. Conscious doesn't mean mental. On the central nervous system you should feel the force flowing through your fingers. Interviewer: That's an equipment to something in Christianity person that you say, I feel today and I’m develop in grace. Shri Mataji: Yes, but it is not today. Once you have it. But it's not today. In Christianity, Christianity is nothing but enlightenment. True Christianity, again I’m said true Christianity. This is true which I am talking about where you actually see the rising of the force from sacrum bone with your naked eyes which pulses through reaches your fontanel bone area at top of your head and give you (inaudible) so that you can feel cool breeze of Holy Ghost coming out of your head. Actually you see that. Interviewer: How do you feel that? How does it happens? Shri Mataji: It happens spontaneously. It has to be living process. How this living thing happened? Supposing you ask me a question, how does a seed sprout? What will I say, you put it into mother earth. I will tell you the history about consciousness if you followed, that first of all, you see it was masculine development of the consciousness like extrusion. Like tree growing too much sort of thing and all this thing have developed so much have gone to an extent now that it has to stop. Now what is second part? Now as you see in world there is famine consciousness coming into play. Of course in wrong way may be like a pendulum, it is a rebellion. They are going to rebellion which is nonsense, you see and may be that as they are acting just like a men and thinking that they are sort of achieving something raise in consciousness is wrong. But you have to do consciousness always move spirally higher whenever you become a from one to another, you are born at a higher consciousness. So this is rebellion. I’m talking of revaluation that has taken place. Now this revaluation only take place, when this must be development which achieve with nourishment from the feminine part. see from the womb, from the mother earth, you see so far we exploding the mother earth, creating all kinds of problems someone they have done it. Now they have to take next step, and this is the time where the force that I am telling you which is called as "Kundalini".It represents the womb, it represents the feminine personality which rises?. Is called as also "kumbha" which you called Aquarius. It represents the Aquarius and that's why this is the ease of the Aquarius. Where this Kundalini rises and she gives the realization. First, human being have developed up to this stage as you are and then this Kundalini had to rise. So the time has come. The blossom time has come all this describe in Bible also. Interviewer: How? , Where? Shri Mataji: of course, that will say comforter will come. Christ talk about future. He didn't say that stop the everything now, comforter has to come (inaudible) and counselor has to come. Then he has also talk, John has said that, he has seen, vision and all those things are there. So Now, what comforter has to do? What are the quantities of the womb in comforter? Interviewer: So you feel that the opening of this consciousness is now coming at the end of the age of the flesh and going into the Age of Aquarius that everything will change. Shri Mataji: Of course, that is what it is. And it has to change. Because what happens when you become collectively consigns. I mean it’s a thing now you have become human being. So now you become human being your consciousness is a different from that of animal. For example, animal if you put near dirty lake, he can pass through it but human being cannot. Because he has an another consciousness. Now this consciousness is so much higher that you become collectively consciousness about which you has to talk to lord about collectively. And this is what actual happening. Actualization that you should experience. And this is the difference between the western organized religion and eastern an organized. Where individuals have to find something for betterment of the whole. Interviewer: But I understand that there are temples in India to Various built or different state of consciousness. And so how is that not organized? Shri Mataji: You see, that is not organized. This are built by people around the jester, the village people just organized one temple and have it there and they have their own thesis, no problem at all.
3/17/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5962	The Advent Inauguration	England	London	Reviewed	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	30	The Advent Inauguration, “Find the Absolute”, High Commission of India, London (England), March 17th, 1980 Doctor Singh, ladies and gentlemen, and Sahaja Yogis my children, it is so enamouring that I have no words to express anything anymore. I have been thinking about what I am to say now? They say it is Kali Yuga these modern times and one of the signs of these modern times is that mothers won’t be respected and that mothers won’t be respectable. Who can believe that these are those horrible modern times which were described? I’m so enamoured with the way that all Sahaja Yogis have also done this exhibition. And I am thankful to all of them for organizing this program over here. But I am so much blessed, I feel, today, to see a very dear friend of ours, doctor Singh, of this great calibre of learning. I met many bureaucrats I must say in my lifetime because I am the wife of a bureaucrat. But I've not met such people among them who are that learned, who know so much about our Indian culture, who have gone into the depth of it to understand the beauty of that culture. Actually, in the Indian bureaucracy, I always felt that they are more enamoured by the Britishers who left us there, without their tail coat, they still exist. I always had this terrible longing to see if some bureaucrats come out with this kind of learning, why we had Britishers in India who learned a lot about our country and who really contributed such a lot to our architecture, to the understanding of our old, ancient ideas that were very clearly given in the Sanskrit language which were translated by them in such beautiful books. And that generation, I felt was over among bureaucrats who would go into the detail and finding out about what lies in our country, the great beauty. Now, I don't want to sound nationalist about it. One needs not to feel that when I say that, India is a great country. It is! Because it is going to lead the whole world in spirituality. I have no doubts about it. It is the greatest country that God has created. I am not saying this because I am a nationalist, because I am an Indian. I could have been born in England as well, but because it was specially chosen by God. Now, it should not make people also unhappy that: “Why India is the only place?” You see, it is something like supposing you know how to drive the car, all right, that’s a great thing. You know how to write a book, all right, that’s another great thing. And if you know how to administer, that’s another great thing. But if you know how to raise the Kundalini, that’s another different thing. So, what is higher and lower is not the point. But from a spiritual point of view, India is the country which is going to provide the needed leadership for all the people. This I am saying for one reason because yesterday, I had somebody from the BBC. And he was saying that: "Why should you bring Eastern ideas to Western life?" I said: "This is not an Eastern that we are doing, it is absolutely fundamental within us." But in India, the fundamentals were discovered first while here you are going the other way round. Because of the climate of that country which is so good, so kind that a man can live under a tree, he needs not to worry as to when you are going out, have a cold, have this, that. It is such a nice climate that people did not have to fight the nature. Here, the fight with the nature starts from the very beginning, the competition starts and we’ll have a difficulty. But where the country is so full of good atmosphere, the people thought: “What a blessing it is of God Almighty! How would these blessings have come to us? Who are we to feel that blessing?” That’s how they took to meditation long, long time back, thousands of years back. And this Kundalini yoga which I am telling you today was discovered, I don't know how many thousands of years back. The Sahaja Yoga that I am telling you has been discovered even at the time of Krishna, whatever he did was nothing but Sahaja Yoga. Whatever Rama did was nothing but Sahaja Yoga, which, if you ever come to my lectures, you can see. But this country was especially blessed where people just thought of God and nothing else. Because our country is a yoga-oriented country, we have to say that it’s a great country. We are not ego-oriented, we are not competitive beings, we cannot be. People have tried to make us that, they have looked down upon us, saying that, “you are passive people”, whatever you may say, we are not going to fall into a trap to that. Why, though our bureaucrats, as I have said to you, are more educated by you people, might think that way, but I would suggest that it is better to take to yoga now than to ego. Ego has paid its dividends already. The problem of our seeking in the Western countries is really been misused by Indians for which one should really feel ashamed. And I take all the responsibility of that upon myself in away. And we all Indians, feel extremely ashamed the way we have created such cheats and thugs who have really devoured all that was beautiful in the seekers. Seekers are genuine, no doubt. And maybe those seekers who are today going to India may have been the same saints born in India who were seeking too. How can you say that these saints are not genuine? I have seen them. They are extremely genuine. I've said many times that England is the heart of the universe. If India has the Kundalini, the heart lies in England. And I find that in England only, Sahaja Yoga was established so easily. Because when I went to America, I found the people were still very shifty. I don't say that American people are not genuine seekers, but so many thugs invaded America that they got used to that kind of selling a business, the guru shopping as they call it. But the people of England or the young people of England, I found them to be very scholarly. They are of course doubting, no doubt they should. All intelligent people should doubt. They should not blindly follow anything like that. But they are not people who will not open their eyes to something. They are extremely balanced and they want to see what was there. It was difficult, I know, in the beginning, to crack an egg in England, it's very difficult I've had it. And I did not know how many people I'd be giving Realizations. You’ll be amazed, for four years I was struggling with six hippies and two of these, husband and wife, are sitting here. But, to my amazement, when it started, when they sought it, it spread. And not only that but it precipitated into them. They have taken it upon themselves now that Sahaja Yoga is the answer to all the problems which are created by our extreme behaviour of ego or superego. This is something so remarkable. For that, one should not find faults with the country. I would not find faults with the country, after all, the country was created by God. It is His doing if He founds that India was the proper place where saints should be born. There were many saints here born, but as I say it today, there are more saints abroad than in India. Indians don’t have so much interest in God now. Only in the villages, that is why I go to the villages, I don’t go to the cities. For example, in England, when I’ve come here, most of my disciples are, most of them are Britishers or people from Europe. There are very few Indians who are taking to Sahaja Yoga. It is most surprising though they come to Me for their treatment, for their illness, they do come, but taking to Sahaja Yoga that seriously as these people have done, they are not doing. So, the country may be anything, it makes no difference, it’s the people. Maybe tomorrow, England is the place where Sahaja Yoga may be established. And the whole when you [unsure] off the Sahaja Yoga which I say India, might be changed. It is such a great, it is such a great experience to see that in this High Commission where I never expected that I'll be able to speak on Sahaja Yoga. Because Indians have value in Sahaja Yoga, is the greatest surprise for Me. The thing is, we have become now still we are developing. When we’ll be developed like you, when we’ll be having the suicide as Gregoire has suggested, when there will be people running away from life, when they’ll be taking drugs, when they’ll be taking to alcoholism as their first life and last life, when we’ll be completely ruined, when our society will be completely finished, then it might be, we might awaken ourselves to the beauty of that we have got. I'm not talking about something Indian; one should know it is not Indian. If you say, Christ, Christ was from the East. We have to learn a lot from the West but Western people also have learnt something from the East which is spirituality. The naiveness of spirituality of the Western seekers has led them into problems. The experience that they have to expect they do not know what to expect in an experience. They think they can purchase everything; this is ego-orientation. They think they can purchase a guru; they can retain a guru. They are very boastful of their guru, I’m surprised. “What does the guru do?” “He has given me a ring”. “What has he done to you?” “He made me fly”. “How can you fly?” The Western seekers must keep their brains intact, we say “have locks”. But what is most surprising is that when they see that their brains have done no good to them, they just keep it aside, absolutely hundred per cent. And they say: “Go ahead”, to whatever people are saying. In that, I would not blame anyone because the seekers should know what is to be done. They have to be well equipped as to find out what they want. Of, course, they are going to India, they are very welcome in India. If they go to India, they will find it, no doubt, if they are genuine and if they keep their brains all right. There’s no doubt about it. But as soon as they go to the airport, they find some sucker standing, immediately they’re enamoured. Now what is the trick these people play, which I will tell you, and you’ll be amazed. It’s a very subtle trick these people play and that is, they just pamper your ego. Because they pamper your ego, you are enamoured by them. And if you could just keep a watch on your ego, you are not your ego, you are your Spirit. If you could just keep a watch on your ego, you will know that they are pampering your ego and telling you something by which you can be completely swindled out. Indians, as they are, there are very great saints in India, no doubt, which are hiding in Himalaya. And also, there are the greatest thugs also in India. I must admit that I agree because since three days I've been hearing about it, people have been telling Me that: “Why do you do these things? Why do you do?” And when this was asked, one of the Sahaja Yogis got up to say that: “Sorry, when I came to Mataji, I was in half coma. I was alcoholic. I was dying. Do you think you would have saved me from that?” So, immediately the person asked Me the question: “How did you save him?” I said: “It is very simple. If you could awaken in him, the consciousness of his Spirit, if he can feel that Absolute, he can come out of all this in no time. Because of all this, we do because we haven't found out our Absolute." All our economic-political activities are on relativity. We talk on relative terms. If we have found out the Absolute, there won’t be any problem anywhere, within or without [you]. And this is a very simple thing and has to be simple because it is the process of evolution. It is a living process. The living process of breathing has to be simple. If you have to read books for that or make a concession or a sanction, I don't know how many would survive. It has to be the simplest thing. And that’s why it is the simplest thing as doctor Singh has told you, “Sahaj”. So, there is no need to be angry with someone because one belongs to a particular country. You could have been born in China or you could have been born in America. Why are you so much identified with any one of these? If you are not identified, then you will understand that what you have to get is the real “svartha”. “Svartha” also means selfishness in English. But “svartha” means also “sva- atha” the meaning of yourself. That you have to find out, whether here, there or anywhere. But for that, it's not necessary to belong to any country, to any race or to creed because as soon as you’ll find it, you’ll be amazed that you transcend all these things. Just get out of it. To Me, I never see people as English or this thing, I cannot see. What I see in a person is the beauty of that Spirit which is hidden in the clouds. I just see that and that makes Me both heart and head just to evolve that, to bring that beauty into the consciousness of that person, into the central nervous system broadly, that's all. But if it is from India, why should people feel bad about it? This, I have not been able to understand. It has to be from some country. I mean, it cannot be from all the countries. This is something so simple that, once you develop this kind of understanding that even if it is from India from anywhere, it is for the whole world. Christ was born in the East, but for the whole world. Buddha was born in India but still, he was for the whole world. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga is taught, found out, the modern Sahaja Yoga, in India. But it is for the whole world. It is not the property of Indians or non-Indians or anyone. Once if you could be reconciled to this situation, then I’m sure, I’m sure that it won’t be difficult for you to open your eyes to Sahaja Yoga. Actually, I came to London, you know, because of my husband. And the atmosphere into which I came, I found two types of people. One, those who have set ideas about India, Indians and gurus and all that. And the other type of people, in the seeking I'm saying, another type of people who were true seekers and were cheated and deluded, plundered by many. But still, they were willing to try again. This is the position when we start our seeking. If we could realize that we have to get this experience, (this) actualization of the Kundalini awakening. You can see with your naked eyes the Kundalini pulsating in your sacrum bone. You can see the rising of it, you can feel it with a stethoscope and you can see the ending of it on your Sahasrara, as we call it, the fontanel bone, which Christ said it's the baptism. Baptism cannot be given by a theological college student or by some graduate. It can be only given by a person who is a Realized soul. All right, we have to learn our economics, politics from you, it doesn’t matter. And if you have to learn spirituality from us, let us give and take. After all, this hand has to give something to this hand, isn’t it? If you think the whole world as one, the whole universe as one, then we talk about it but we really do not identify with this idea. How to get over it? Is to find the Absolute. When you’ll get to the Absolute, you’ll be amazed! In England, when I’m there, I’m a British person because I am solving the problems of Britishers. If I’m in India, I’m an Indian. So, when I’m a British, they’ll talk of our India: “What about India? We have this problem, that problem”. When I go to India, they say: “What about England? ” “They have that problem. They have broken their families; this has happened to them”. If I go to America, they’ll talk about [inaudible] So, how we try to run away from the truth? You must know that you have to get it, the time has come, the blossom time has come. It has to come [to you]. I'm just an ordinary housewife, all right. I am that and I'm proud of it. You don’t know there is a centre within us which represents the housewife. It is there. When that centre is out of order, you develop some diseases. [cut in the audio] You have to take the name of the housewife. Housewife, herself is a very important centre. I am a housewife and I am a mother. And I'm a grandmother. Though I am a grandmother and a mother and a wife and also a Divine Mother because I see the Divinity on all my children, whatever may be the caste, community, anything. The concern I have is that why don’t you know that you have that Divinity? You want to pay for Me, you want to buy Me, that you cannot do. You want to advertise Me, what advertisement can a Mother give? I mean it’s-you feel so inauspicious about it. It’s so funny to advertise yourself that I’m the Divine Mother. It is for you to understand the beauty of Divinity. The beauty of Divinity is shyness: “Ya Devi sarva bhuteshu Lajja rupena samsthita”. You- it’s a limitation, maryadas, you cannot cross a certain point. You cannot, you live like that. If Christ wanted, he could have killed all the people who tried to crucify him. He had such powers and He is going to come back. He’s going to come back with those Ekadesha powers on this Earth. But he did not. He had a maryada. He had to do that job. I have to do this job. And if you people just open out yourself a little and understand my concern about the beauty which lies in your hearts, I’m not bothered as to what country you belong, the race you belong, nothing of the kind. Because I can see something in you that you cannot see. That’s why I am here. And this, I have to say today because the gentleman who came to interview Me for the last three days, has been harping on my head that: “Why should you Indians bother about us” It’s a very funny situation. It’s a very funny situation because I’m not here as an immigrant. My husband was actually elected. This is Providence and that’s how I am here. And by my coming here, it is God’s grace that I have been able to rescue so many lost souls in this country. Is it that the way to say that because I’m Indian I must be barred to do anything? Then why do you have Christ here? Christ was not an Englishman by any chance. [Laughter] I'm sorry to strike this note today because I do not know these things, I do not know the difference in the gene, I do not understand these things. I understand that England has its own value, India has its own value. But when I’m faced with such problems and when people come with that level, sometimes I understand; look at my beautiful children who are here! They are real seekers. They are so ardently seeking. And why people don’t understand that somebody has to do it. If God has appointed Me for that, so I’m Indian, what can I do? But then I ‘m so thankful that in this place which has been used, I know, by many seekers before, that you have given Me a chance, that you have given a chance for this book to be inaugurated. I’d better not say much about Gregoire, I've tortured his life for this book, I tell you. For one year, I really took him to the task. He had to change so many things because he is an intellectual and hard intellectual, he was at that time, he was hard-hitting everyone. I said: “No, my child. You have to go in a very humble manner. Go about in such a manner that you have to get people to hear. You have to work very hard; you see, these people are so fussy like fussy children. So, if you have to feed them, you have to go about it in that manner as a mother would go”. And I really tortured his life for one year. After that, this book was brought to this sweet level I would say that people really enjoyed it. Please go with- through this book, it will help you because it has vibrations. I’ve seen the book also has vibrations. And it is going to help you to understand that within you lies that Spirit and when the Spirit starts emitting itself into your central nervous system its own nature, then these variations of Chaitanya start flowing with it. With that you can cure people, with that you can raise the Kundalini of others, you can give them Realization. All your powers are manifested. After all, even if I am a guru or a mother, whatever I may call myself, what’s the use? What’s the use of a mother who cannot give her wealth to her children? I mean which is that mother who would like to keep her wealth to herself? Every bit of that, what I have, I would like to give you. Every drop of my blood I would like to give you which will give you that beauty which lies in you. This should be understood by people all over the world. It has nothing to do with a particular country or with a particular race but it is for all of you to receive this because even your evolution is imminent. It has to take place; it has to happen to solve so many problems which are absolutely useless in my eyes. May God bless you all. Let us understand the unity of our being within ourselves. Let us understand that all these great people, Christ has said: “Those who are not against me are with me”. Who are those people? Are you all with Him? Who is this Father He is talking about? Let us seek through Sahaja Yoga because with that, once you are connected with the Divine, these vibrations give you a new awareness by which you can find out. You can put your hands and ask: “Is there God?” And immediately a cool breeze will start flowing. Ask any fundamental question, any absolute question and you will get the answer. But if you ask a question: “Is this a real Guru?" and if he is a thug, immediately the vibrations will stop and you'll start getting heat. From some gurus, you get such horrible heat as you would get from a cancer patient. It is amazing how people do not understand where are they going, what they are doing, what is happening to them because they cannot see themselves, they are involved in themselves. If you are in the car, you do not know what is happening to your car outside, once you get out of your car you can see what is happening. It is very, very simple, it’s the easiest thing to do. But to you people it may look- for Me even to connect this [microphone] is very difficult. But for Me, to connect you to God is not difficult. That’s all, the difference is that I know something and you know something. Nothing more or less. Just think that way, so that you do not feel perturbed about it. Most of the doubts come because of this thinking that: “Is She going to overpower us? Is She going to do this?” No, no, no, it is your power which is going to be manifested. It is you who are going to feel your power. I do not want anybody to touch my feet though Gregoire will say that: “I must touch your feet”. Just because he has experienced of my feet. But I do not want anyone even to touch my feet or to accept what I say. But you must keep your minds open. Only because somebody (I) something- like the gentleman the other day said: “You are very rich”. I said: “If I was poor, you would have said ‘you are poor’”. But I have to be something. If I am a housewife, they’ll say: “You are a housewife”. If I am a bureaucrat, they’ll say: “You are a bureaucrat”. But what about yourself getting it? It’s the point! So, this is how we live on a very, very inferior level. We have to get to the centre and get it. Getting it is the point, now luckily, on the 14th, they are having the program in Caxton Hall where I am going to speak more elaborately about it and that you are going to try this with people to get this experience. Just get it. That’s what it is. I hope you’ll make it convenient to come down there and get for yourselves your own powers and your own peace. And if your mind suggests you something, then tell him to keep quiet because he has been telling you not always proper things. Just now, come and see for yourself with an open mind. I’m thankful again and again to Mrs Singh for coming down here because I know she is a very talented lady and she has written beautiful books which really made Me understand that she thinks of the problems from a very higher level. And to have doctor Singh here and Mrs Singh at High Commission is a very big blessing because to have a person who knows so much about India, who knows the spirit of India is the one who should come here. And I am very thankful to the government also for sending him over and thankful to all of you to have come here today to listen to this lecture and to his very learned, very learned lecture which I appreciated very much. Thank you very much. May God bless you. [Applause].	null	null	null	The Advent Inauguration, “Find the Absolute”, High Commission of India, London (England), March 17th, 1980 Doctor Singh, ladies and gentlemen, and Sahaja Yogis my children, it is so enamouring that I have no words to express anything anymore. I have been thinking about what I am to say now? They say it is Kali Yuga these modern times and one of the signs of these modern times is that mothers won’t be respected and that mothers won’t be respectable. Who can believe that these are those horrible modern times which were described? I’m so enamoured with the way that all Sahaja Yogis have also done this exhibition. And I am thankful to all of them for organizing this program over here. But I am so much blessed, I feel, today, to see a very dear friend of ours, doctor Singh, of this great calibre of learning. I met many bureaucrats I must say in my lifetime because I am the wife of a bureaucrat. But I've not met such people among them who are that learned, who know so much about our Indian culture, who have gone into the depth of it to understand the beauty of that culture. Actually, in the Indian bureaucracy, I always felt that they are more enamoured by the Britishers who left us there, without their tail coat, they still exist. I always had this terrible longing to see if some bureaucrats come out with this kind of learning, why we had Britishers in India who learned a lot about our country and who really contributed such a lot to our architecture, to the understanding of our old, ancient ideas that were very clearly given in the Sanskrit language which were translated by them in such beautiful books. And that generation, I felt was over among bureaucrats who would go into the detail and finding out about what lies in our country, the great beauty. Now, I don't want to sound nationalist about it. One needs not to feel that when I say that, India is a great country. It is! Because it is going to lead the whole world in spirituality. I have no doubts about it. It is the greatest country that God has created. I am not saying this because I am a nationalist, because I am an Indian. I could have been born in England as well, but because it was specially chosen by God. Now, it should not make people also unhappy that: “Why India is the only place?” You see, it is something like supposing you know how to drive the car, all right, that’s a great thing. You know how to write a book, all right, that’s another great thing. And if you know how to administer, that’s another great thing. But if you know how to raise the Kundalini, that’s another different thing. So, what is higher and lower is not the point. But from a spiritual point of view, India is the country which is going to provide the needed leadership for all the people. This I am saying for one reason because yesterday, I had somebody from the BBC. And he was saying that: "Why should you bring Eastern ideas to Western life?" I said: "This is not an Eastern that we are doing, it is absolutely fundamental within us." But in India, the fundamentals were discovered first while here you are going the other way round. Because of the climate of that country which is so good, so kind that a man can live under a tree, he needs not to worry as to when you are going out, have a cold, have this, that. It is such a nice climate that people did not have to fight the nature. Here, the fight with the nature starts from the very beginning, the competition starts and we’ll have a difficulty. But where the country is so full of good atmosphere, the people thought: “What a blessing it is of God Almighty! How would these blessings have come to us? Who are we to feel that blessing?” That’s how they took to meditation long, long time back, thousands of years back. And this Kundalini yoga which I am telling you today was discovered, I don't know how many thousands of years back. The Sahaja Yoga that I am telling you has been discovered even at the time of Krishna, whatever he did was nothing but Sahaja Yoga. Whatever Rama did was nothing but Sahaja Yoga, which, if you ever come to my lectures, you can see. But this country was especially blessed where people just thought of God and nothing else. Because our country is a yoga-oriented country, we have to say that it’s a great country. We are not ego-oriented, we are not competitive beings, we cannot be. People have tried to make us that, they have looked down upon us, saying that, “you are passive people”, whatever you may say, we are not going to fall into a trap to that. Why, though our bureaucrats, as I have said to you, are more educated by you people, might think that way, but I would suggest that it is better to take to yoga now than to ego. Ego has paid its dividends already. The problem of our seeking in the Western countries is really been misused by Indians for which one should really feel ashamed. And I take all the responsibility of that upon myself in away. And we all Indians, feel extremely ashamed the way we have created such cheats and thugs who have really devoured all that was beautiful in the seekers. Seekers are genuine, no doubt. And maybe those seekers who are today going to India may have been the same saints born in India who were seeking too. How can you say that these saints are not genuine? I have seen them. They are extremely genuine. I've said many times that England is the heart of the universe. If India has the Kundalini, the heart lies in England. And I find that in England only, Sahaja Yoga was established so easily. Because when I went to America, I found the people were still very shifty. I don't say that American people are not genuine seekers, but so many thugs invaded America that they got used to that kind of selling a business, the guru shopping as they call it. But the people of England or the young people of England, I found them to be very scholarly. They are of course doubting, no doubt they should. All intelligent people should doubt. They should not blindly follow anything like that. But they are not people who will not open their eyes to something. They are extremely balanced and they want to see what was there. It was difficult, I know, in the beginning, to crack an egg in England, it's very difficult I've had it. And I did not know how many people I'd be giving Realizations. You’ll be amazed, for four years I was struggling with six hippies and two of these, husband and wife, are sitting here. But, to my amazement, when it started, when they sought it, it spread. And not only that but it precipitated into them. They have taken it upon themselves now that Sahaja Yoga is the answer to all the problems which are created by our extreme behaviour of ego or superego. This is something so remarkable. For that, one should not find faults with the country. I would not find faults with the country, after all, the country was created by God. It is His doing if He founds that India was the proper place where saints should be born. There were many saints here born, but as I say it today, there are more saints abroad than in India. Indians don’t have so much interest in God now. Only in the villages, that is why I go to the villages, I don’t go to the cities. For example, in England, when I’ve come here, most of my disciples are, most of them are Britishers or people from Europe. There are very few Indians who are taking to Sahaja Yoga. It is most surprising though they come to Me for their treatment, for their illness, they do come, but taking to Sahaja Yoga that seriously as these people have done, they are not doing. So, the country may be anything, it makes no difference, it’s the people. Maybe tomorrow, England is the place where Sahaja Yoga may be established. And the whole when you [unsure] off the Sahaja Yoga which I say India, might be changed. It is such a great, it is such a great experience to see that in this High Commission where I never expected that I'll be able to speak on Sahaja Yoga. Because Indians have value in Sahaja Yoga, is the greatest surprise for Me. The thing is, we have become now still we are developing. When we’ll be developed like you, when we’ll be having the suicide as Gregoire has suggested, when there will be people running away from life, when they’ll be taking drugs, when they’ll be taking to alcoholism as their first life and last life, when we’ll be completely ruined, when our society will be completely finished, then it might be, we might awaken ourselves to the beauty of that we have got. I'm not talking about something Indian; one should know it is not Indian. If you say, Christ, Christ was from the East. We have to learn a lot from the West but Western people also have learnt something from the East which is spirituality. The naiveness of spirituality of the Western seekers has led them into problems. The experience that they have to expect they do not know what to expect in an experience. They think they can purchase everything; this is ego-orientation. They think they can purchase a guru; they can retain a guru. They are very boastful of their guru, I’m surprised. “What does the guru do?” “He has given me a ring”. “What has he done to you?” “He made me fly”. “How can you fly?” The Western seekers must keep their brains intact, we say “have locks”. But what is most surprising is that when they see that their brains have done no good to them, they just keep it aside, absolutely hundred per cent. And they say: “Go ahead”, to whatever people are saying. In that, I would not blame anyone because the seekers should know what is to be done. They have to be well equipped as to find out what they want. Of, course, they are going to India, they are very welcome in India. If they go to India, they will find it, no doubt, if they are genuine and if they keep their brains all right. There’s no doubt about it. But as soon as they go to the airport, they find some sucker standing, immediately they’re enamoured. Now what is the trick these people play, which I will tell you, and you’ll be amazed. It’s a very subtle trick these people play and that is, they just pamper your ego. Because they pamper your ego, you are enamoured by them. And if you could just keep a watch on your ego, you are not your ego, you are your Spirit. If you could just keep a watch on your ego, you will know that they are pampering your ego and telling you something by which you can be completely swindled out. Indians, as they are, there are very great saints in India, no doubt, which are hiding in Himalaya. And also, there are the greatest thugs also in India. I must admit that I agree because since three days I've been hearing about it, people have been telling Me that: “Why do you do these things? Why do you do?” And when this was asked, one of the Sahaja Yogis got up to say that: “Sorry, when I came to Mataji, I was in half coma. I was alcoholic. I was dying. Do you think you would have saved me from that?” So, immediately the person asked Me the question: “How did you save him?” I said: “It is very simple. If you could awaken in him, the consciousness of his Spirit, if he can feel that Absolute, he can come out of all this in no time. Because of all this, we do because we haven't found out our Absolute." All our economic-political activities are on relativity. We talk on relative terms. If we have found out the Absolute, there won’t be any problem anywhere, within or without [you]. And this is a very simple thing and has to be simple because it is the process of evolution. It is a living process. The living process of breathing has to be simple. If you have to read books for that or make a concession or a sanction, I don't know how many would survive. It has to be the simplest thing. And that’s why it is the simplest thing as doctor Singh has told you, “Sahaj”. So, there is no need to be angry with someone because one belongs to a particular country. You could have been born in China or you could have been born in America. Why are you so much identified with any one of these? If you are not identified, then you will understand that what you have to get is the real “svartha”. “Svartha” also means selfishness in English. But “svartha” means also “sva- atha” the meaning of yourself. That you have to find out, whether here, there or anywhere. But for that, it's not necessary to belong to any country, to any race or to creed because as soon as you’ll find it, you’ll be amazed that you transcend all these things. Just get out of it. To Me, I never see people as English or this thing, I cannot see. What I see in a person is the beauty of that Spirit which is hidden in the clouds. I just see that and that makes Me both heart and head just to evolve that, to bring that beauty into the consciousness of that person, into the central nervous system broadly, that's all. But if it is from India, why should people feel bad about it? This, I have not been able to understand. It has to be from some country. I mean, it cannot be from all the countries. This is something so simple that, once you develop this kind of understanding that even if it is from India from anywhere, it is for the whole world. Christ was born in the East, but for the whole world. Buddha was born in India but still, he was for the whole world. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga is taught, found out, the modern Sahaja Yoga, in India. But it is for the whole world. It is not the property of Indians or non-Indians or anyone. Once if you could be reconciled to this situation, then I’m sure, I’m sure that it won’t be difficult for you to open your eyes to Sahaja Yoga. Actually, I came to London, you know, because of my husband. And the atmosphere into which I came, I found two types of people. One, those who have set ideas about India, Indians and gurus and all that. And the other type of people, in the seeking I'm saying, another type of people who were true seekers and were cheated and deluded, plundered by many. But still, they were willing to try again. This is the position when we start our seeking. If we could realize that we have to get this experience, (this) actualization of the Kundalini awakening. You can see with your naked eyes the Kundalini pulsating in your sacrum bone. You can see the rising of it, you can feel it with a stethoscope and you can see the ending of it on your Sahasrara, as we call it, the fontanel bone, which Christ said it's the baptism. Baptism cannot be given by a theological college student or by some graduate. It can be only given by a person who is a Realized soul. All right, we have to learn our economics, politics from you, it doesn’t matter. And if you have to learn spirituality from us, let us give and take. After all, this hand has to give something to this hand, isn’t it? If you think the whole world as one, the whole universe as one, then we talk about it but we really do not identify with this idea. How to get over it? Is to find the Absolute. When you’ll get to the Absolute, you’ll be amazed! In England, when I’m there, I’m a British person because I am solving the problems of Britishers. If I’m in India, I’m an Indian. So, when I’m a British, they’ll talk of our India: “What about India? We have this problem, that problem”. When I go to India, they say: “What about England? ” “They have that problem. They have broken their families; this has happened to them”. If I go to America, they’ll talk about [inaudible] So, how we try to run away from the truth? You must know that you have to get it, the time has come, the blossom time has come. It has to come [to you]. I'm just an ordinary housewife, all right. I am that and I'm proud of it. You don’t know there is a centre within us which represents the housewife. It is there. When that centre is out of order, you develop some diseases. [cut in the audio] You have to take the name of the housewife. Housewife, herself is a very important centre. I am a housewife and I am a mother. And I'm a grandmother. Though I am a grandmother and a mother and a wife and also a Divine Mother because I see the Divinity on all my children, whatever may be the caste, community, anything. The concern I have is that why don’t you know that you have that Divinity? You want to pay for Me, you want to buy Me, that you cannot do. You want to advertise Me, what advertisement can a Mother give? I mean it’s-you feel so inauspicious about it. It’s so funny to advertise yourself that I’m the Divine Mother. It is for you to understand the beauty of Divinity. The beauty of Divinity is shyness: “Ya Devi sarva bhuteshu Lajja rupena samsthita”. You- it’s a limitation, maryadas, you cannot cross a certain point. You cannot, you live like that. If Christ wanted, he could have killed all the people who tried to crucify him. He had such powers and He is going to come back. He’s going to come back with those Ekadesha powers on this Earth. But he did not. He had a maryada. He had to do that job. I have to do this job. And if you people just open out yourself a little and understand my concern about the beauty which lies in your hearts, I’m not bothered as to what country you belong, the race you belong, nothing of the kind. Because I can see something in you that you cannot see. That’s why I am here. And this, I have to say today because the gentleman who came to interview Me for the last three days, has been harping on my head that: “Why should you Indians bother about us” It’s a very funny situation. It’s a very funny situation because I’m not here as an immigrant. My husband was actually elected. This is Providence and that’s how I am here. And by my coming here, it is God’s grace that I have been able to rescue so many lost souls in this country. Is it that the way to say that because I’m Indian I must be barred to do anything? Then why do you have Christ here? Christ was not an Englishman by any chance. [Laughter] I'm sorry to strike this note today because I do not know these things, I do not know the difference in the gene, I do not understand these things. I understand that England has its own value, India has its own value. But when I’m faced with such problems and when people come with that level, sometimes I understand; look at my beautiful children who are here! They are real seekers. They are so ardently seeking. And why people don’t understand that somebody has to do it. If God has appointed Me for that, so I’m Indian, what can I do? But then I ‘m so thankful that in this place which has been used, I know, by many seekers before, that you have given Me a chance, that you have given a chance for this book to be inaugurated. I’d better not say much about Gregoire, I've tortured his life for this book, I tell you. For one year, I really took him to the task. He had to change so many things because he is an intellectual and hard intellectual, he was at that time, he was hard-hitting everyone. I said: “No, my child. You have to go in a very humble manner. Go about in such a manner that you have to get people to hear. You have to work very hard; you see, these people are so fussy like fussy children. So, if you have to feed them, you have to go about it in that manner as a mother would go”. And I really tortured his life for one year. After that, this book was brought to this sweet level I would say that people really enjoyed it. Please go with- through this book, it will help you because it has vibrations. I’ve seen the book also has vibrations. And it is going to help you to understand that within you lies that Spirit and when the Spirit starts emitting itself into your central nervous system its own nature, then these variations of Chaitanya start flowing with it. With that you can cure people, with that you can raise the Kundalini of others, you can give them Realization. All your powers are manifested. After all, even if I am a guru or a mother, whatever I may call myself, what’s the use? What’s the use of a mother who cannot give her wealth to her children? I mean which is that mother who would like to keep her wealth to herself? Every bit of that, what I have, I would like to give you. Every drop of my blood I would like to give you which will give you that beauty which lies in you. This should be understood by people all over the world. It has nothing to do with a particular country or with a particular race but it is for all of you to receive this because even your evolution is imminent. It has to take place; it has to happen to solve so many problems which are absolutely useless in my eyes. May God bless you all. Let us understand the unity of our being within ourselves. Let us understand that all these great people, Christ has said: “Those who are not against me are with me”. Who are those people? Are you all with Him? Who is this Father He is talking about? Let us seek through Sahaja Yoga because with that, once you are connected with the Divine, these vibrations give you a new awareness by which you can find out. You can put your hands and ask: “Is there God?” And immediately a cool breeze will start flowing. Ask any fundamental question, any absolute question and you will get the answer. But if you ask a question: “Is this a real Guru?" and if he is a thug, immediately the vibrations will stop and you'll start getting heat. From some gurus, you get such horrible heat as you would get from a cancer patient. It is amazing how people do not understand where are they going, what they are doing, what is happening to them because they cannot see themselves, they are involved in themselves. If you are in the car, you do not know what is happening to your car outside, once you get out of your car you can see what is happening. It is very, very simple, it’s the easiest thing to do. But to you people it may look- for Me even to connect this [microphone] is very difficult. But for Me, to connect you to God is not difficult. That’s all, the difference is that I know something and you know something. Nothing more or less. Just think that way, so that you do not feel perturbed about it. Most of the doubts come because of this thinking that: “Is She going to overpower us? Is She going to do this?” No, no, no, it is your power which is going to be manifested. It is you who are going to feel your power. I do not want anybody to touch my feet though Gregoire will say that: “I must touch your feet”. Just because he has experienced of my feet. But I do not want anyone even to touch my feet or to accept what I say. But you must keep your minds open. Only because somebody (I) something- like the gentleman the other day said: “You are very rich”. I said: “If I was poor, you would have said ‘you are poor’”. But I have to be something. If I am a housewife, they’ll say: “You are a housewife”. If I am a bureaucrat, they’ll say: “You are a bureaucrat”. But what about yourself getting it? It’s the point! So, this is how we live on a very, very inferior level. We have to get to the centre and get it. Getting it is the point, now luckily, on the 14th, they are having the program in Caxton Hall where I am going to speak more elaborately about it and that you are going to try this with people to get this experience. Just get it. That’s what it is. I hope you’ll make it convenient to come down there and get for yourselves your own powers and your own peace. And if your mind suggests you something, then tell him to keep quiet because he has been telling you not always proper things. Just now, come and see for yourself with an open mind. I’m thankful again and again to Mrs Singh for coming down here because I know she is a very talented lady and she has written beautiful books which really made Me understand that she thinks of the problems from a very higher level. And to have doctor Singh here and Mrs Singh at High Commission is a very big blessing because to have a person who knows so much about India, who knows the spirit of India is the one who should come here. And I am very thankful to the government also for sending him over and thankful to all of you to have come here today to listen to this lecture and to his very learned, very learned lecture which I appreciated very much. Thank you very much. May God bless you. [Applause].
3/23/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5429	Birthday Puja Talk: Guarding Against Slothfulness	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Birthday	English	48	Birthday Puja. London (UK), 23 March 1980. The birthday of Your Mother, and all such celebrations have a very deep significance, because on such occasions, special vibrations flow in the atmosphere. When all the celestial bodies, the Eternal Personalities, Gods and Goddesses sing the praise, and that’s how the whole atmosphere is filled with mirth and happiness. Human beings also, express their gratitude. Expression of gratitude and love is done in different, different ways in different countries, but the substance remains the same and the forms change. The substance is like the ocean which flows continuously towards the shores and the ripples which touch the shores are again repelled back, and a nice pattern is formed. It is such a spontaneous thing and is so beautiful, creates such a beautiful pattern in the atmosphere. All these waves when they weave together the pattern of love they soothe human beings, they enchant human beings and the whole thing is very blissful. On such occasions a special type of feelings develop, which we cannot express in words so the expression could be in any form. But the main thing is the expression. God has expressed Himself by Creation, by creating this Creation. While the Creation has to express its gratitude by glorifying Him, and this play must go on eternally. It’s the most beautiful play. Those who indulge into this play lead an eternal life. That life is unending, never breaks and binds the whole universe with its beautiful music. Today, specially, I have to speak to people who feel weak to follow Sahaja Yoga, who are fickle minded, those who lack strength, those who are afraid of taking Sahaja Yoga seriously. It is very important that fickle mindedness must be seen clearly – why we are fickle. Mostly it might be the ego that is stopping you from doing something that is very, very important. The ficklemindedness comes to us by various ways, as I said one of them is ego. A fickle minded person can be frightened by his own ego and he may stop doing Sahaja Yoga after going up to a point, because the ego might say now, “Here forward, if you go, there is a tunnel in which you cannot enter. You should not go any further. It’s very dangerous.” It could be marred by your Sloth. Sloth is the curse of this country I feel. It’s the curse of the Sahaja Yoga also. I do not know if it is the curse of the Western World but Sloth is something, is like a devil that can keep you very much glued to your own positions and will not allow you to move out. For example in the morning you get up and you think that, “Oh, it’s all right, what’s the need to get up early in the morning? There is no need to do any meditation. I’ll do it tomorrow”. Otherwise you start thinking that, “It can be done after a month, doesn’t matter, Mataji is here, everything will be all right.” But you must know that there are so many imperfections within you, and if you do not meditate now, seriously, take it up as a very serious thing, you may lag behind so much that you may be dropped out. Meditation is very important after Sahaja Yoga. You have slept and slept all your life. Sleeping is not so important. You have to today promise Me that, from tomorrow, you all are going to get up in the morning and meditate. I was suggesting that if you take your baths in the morning would be better, so that you won’t have your sleepy condition. Sloth is such a devious thing that you do not see it. It explains everything. If you say, “Oh I am sick” it will say, “Oh you are so sick you should go to the hospital”. If you say, “I’m tired” it will say, “You are extremely tired”. Why should you be so tired? It is nothing but your Sloth is telling you that, “You are extremely tired, you better not do meditation now you are extremely tired. You better take some rest, is important”. Sloth is worse than super-ego and ego. Is a kind of an inertia which pulls you down, and that inertia you have to really throw away and get out of it. Because it explains everything, you like it, because it gives you little comfort, and you want to rely on your Sloth. But Krishna has said in Gita, that Sloth is the worst thing that can happen to human beings. If they take to Sloth, if they accept Sloth, they will have all explanations for being Slothful. He, “Alasya”, He calls it, is the worst disease according to Him, for any aspirant of spiritual life. You may think that, “You see I’m not well now” or anything, Sloth can give you any ideas. Because I don’t have that so I don’t know what ideas it gives you but it can give you any kind of idea that would be very, very appealing to you because it knows how to please your ego. Sloth is a ego- satisfying thing, ego-pampering stuff, and it makes you feel that, “Oh you are very tired”. What are you tired about? You are all young people, why should you be tired? You get tired so soon, is nothing but your Mr. Sloth telling you you are tired. You will be surprised, after feeling tired [if] you run for two miles, you can run. Now why Sloth works [on] Sahaja Yoga so adversely? Why Sloth works out against Sahaja Yoga so much? The reason is, because we are not yet identified with our wellbeing. We do not think that “We have to be better, we have to improve, we have to go further, there’s a big gap, we have to do it”. We are not identified with our progress. Supposing if I tell you, in England, that if you run two miles every day in the morning, [that] you will get a beauty prize, 99.9% of people, of women of this country, would be running early in the morning. Supposing if somebody tells men that, "You will get Mr. Universe if you run every day five miles in the morning", there will be, I don’t know, 99.999% people may be running like that, because we are identified with that kind of a competition which is very materialistic, which is of no value. But when you give up even that competition you fall into another competition [which] is everybody is competing [with] each other in Sloth. They will get up in the morning, see around, “Now, Cooly’s still sleeping, all right, let me sleep”. So Cooly will think, “He’s still sleeping, let me sleep”. So there is a big competition on as to who is going to wake up first, who is going to do this. And if somebody gets up then one starts finding faults that, “He got up but what? He was just taking tea” or “He was talking”. What about you? You were still in bed! At least he got up, was talking, doesn’t matter. But he was kicking. What about you who was still slumbering in the bed? Now it’s such a childlike thing, I mean, it’s such a childish thing to talk about with such intellectuals as you are, such well read and such well posted people. That doesn’t behove Me, a Mother of such great people, to talk like this, but sometimes I find My Sahaja Yogis are like two year old children, and then I have to tell them that “Now you are grown up”. You see, you can explain it but how are you going to explain yourself? Because if you have to grow, if you want your tree to grow, you must change your priorities and your identifications. If you have to be a first-class Sahaja Yogi, you have to put your attention to it. I do not know how to fix it up. Supposing we fix it up like this, it’s very childish but I have to tell you because I have seen this is the problem, that, “The day I don’t get up, I’ll have to pay 10 pee”, let’s keep it like that. If you are getting much more pay then put it at ten pounds. But something like that. Or you can say that, “That day I’ll give up one sweater of mine”. Start it like that. It’s very easy. People will say that, “No Mother, when I meditate, you know, something goes wrong with me” – means you are wrong, there’s something wrong with you. So you better sit down and meditate. Now, I must say, if you do not meditate, you are very selfish. That’s the main point is. Because when you come here, scorpions come out of you [Mother says “Me” but obviously means “you”] to bite My feet. There are snakes coming out of you to bite My feet. Do you want to do that to Me? Or else to others also. The other day somebody came to My house and Chaya and all these people were there. He was so caught up that they were reeling with giddiness, and everybody was trying to take it out and work it out. If you want Sahaja Yoga to work out in this country and in the West, we have to understand our own value, and we must work it out. Every time if you are catching, every time you meet Me you are catching, then how are you going to feel the Kundalini? You must know how the Kundalini moves within yourself. Say, where it is, how far it has gone. At least there should be at least ten people like that, minimum, because I have worked here so hard. You don’t know, I didn’t work so many years in India and there will be at least 80% people who can feel the Kundalini moving – it is here, it is there it is there. And some people feel over-satisfied with their progress also. It is like a full group of people going somewhere, say a tug-of-war. Even [if] one person moves two steps forward than where he is, the whole thing moves. But we do not see to the people who are moving it towards them, what we always see is, "How can we compete with the person who is not moving? If he is moving back two steps, we can move back three steps." This kind of attitude will not help us. You know that Sahaja Yoga is the only way, is the only method that Divine Grace has given you, by which you are going to transform the whole world, and lazy lumps how can they help Sahaja Yoga? Laziness is the worst thing today. I know today is not a day to say all these things, but you all have to promise to Me that you are going to give up your laziness – Swaha. That’s what I have seen that, whenever I meet you people you are caught up. The another thing which goes against Sahaja Yoga is, I have told you hundred times, I don’t know how many times, is to talk ill about other Sahaja Yogis. We are all part and parcel of one body, say we are all part and parcel of one hand. Now if this finger starts talking ill about this one, what is it going to do? Talking ill about each other is a very wrong thing. So today also decide that, "We will never talk ill about anybody else but we’ll look at ourselves – what is our position." I’ve seen people passing remarks about other people who themselves are very badly caught up, and not worried about themselves. Now, by this, how are you going to improve? If you do not pay attention to yourself, and pay attention to others you cannot improve. So another promise should be that, "We will not talk ill about other Sahaja Yogis." But no Sahaja Yogi should take anything for granted. We have to really work very hard. So second habit of talking ill about other Sahaja Yogis should be Swaha, and thinking even about it. You are absolutely cutting the threads of Sahaja Yoga, which I have very sweetly woven. Now you would be generous to Me, I know. You can be very generous, you have given Me a very beautiful painting, I am very thankful to you. But try to do it to others also – generosity. You should be really bound together and you can see then what we can produce. You have seen how nicely we did the exhibition. Everybody was enamored. Everybody was very happy that you did so well. It was such a joyous thing and everybody was congratulating, they telephoned to Me. They said, “How they are together? There was no quarrel, no fighting, nothing. They did it so well.” So tell your mind that, “How dare you think against any Sahaja Yogi”. Do you know all of you are saints of the highest calibre? And this kind of wretched, non-sensical thing, so low level, how can you do? I may talk ill about others, I may say that, “He’s bad”, just to test you. So many times I do that to see how you feel about someone. If I say somebody's bad, just keep quiet. It will have two purposes. One will be that, if you are sympathising with someone, so I am saying, “Don’t sympathize” because you are sympathizing with a wrong person. Or maybe I am just testing you. So keep it noted in your mind, if I say that person is no good, then keep it in your mind, “Am I sympathizing with that person?” This negative sympathy is very common. So third promise should be that we will not sympathize. If you sympathize, 'sym-pathize' means 'you share the pathos of others'. You have to just share the joy of another person. So we will not sympathize with others, with anyone, but we will share the joy of another person. The part that is joy of another person, we are going to share and look out for the joy. Try to see the good points. Some people just cannot see. That’s how you dominate each other. That’s a wrong thing. In a growth of vital importance it is important to know, what are the vital parts. If you try to press one vital part, you cannot grow also, because you are all supported together. So the third thing is – you have to promise that you are not anymore going to sympathize with anybody else. None of you can love as much as I can love. And then one should know that if you have sympathies, there is no need at all. But you should have feelings for everyone. Now every human being has a character and a temperament. Apart from his Self, is his Spirit which is pure, in Its own form, It just gives you vibrations, tells you right, left and all that. But everybody has a character, is important, because the light that is burning in a candle can be different style, another different style. Looks nice, variety looks nice, it gives you beauty. So your character you must know. Respect your character and enjoy the character of another person. I really enjoy your characters and how sweetly you behave towards your own characters. But temperament is not your Self. Temperaments you must give up. Temperaments are horrid things. You give up your temperaments but keep to your character. A character is something so great, is something so sweet, and I see that character in a person, and I feel like - how is it they are not identifying with their character but with temperament? For supposing somebody has a temperament of saying something silly – is a temperament. So you just say, “What is this going on? Why am I saying things silly? I better get rid of it”. Somebody has a temperament of getting boiled up very fast – so you see to it that this temperament is not your character. But some people are so low level that even in their character you can find something going on and on and on, which is – their temperament has become one with their character. So try to separate. First of all you separate yourself from your temperament to your character, and in that character you enlighten your light. See how beautiful you will be, you’ll enjoy each other much more. Now when you are with Me, I know everything about you, no doubt. Everything. In your mind, what’s going , I read minds. I read everything, but what I see is your light. Then what I see is your character. I do not bother about your temperament, but a time comes when this temperament becomes more dominant thing. You become so much identified with [it], “I am like that! I am like that! What to do? I am like that! It happens to me. I...I...I...I...I.” So the fourth resolution should be – No more “I”. We are not going to talk about “I”, “I think”, “I believe”. Who are you? “I believe” – now who are you? Are you Jesus Christ, that your beliefs and your faiths are that great? So we should say, “We believe”, “We are like that”. Now we have to move in one body, with all our different characters we have to say “We”, “We which are part and parcel of one personality.” So always say “We”, and this is how we must know that these temperaments are the things which keeps us out from everyone. Temperaments can be – somebody is a crying baby. Then that person will remain a crying baby for such a long time till I’ll break My head. If somebody is a frightened person, he’ll be always frightened like that. You say anything – frightened. It’s useless. Why to be like that? You be normal. If you have that kind of a temperament you be normal. Is not good. Some person is an aggressive person, or a hot tempered person. He’ll be losing temper all the time. That’s a temperament again, that’s not his character. Character shows in small, small things. I’ll show you a character. Now a person has a character that he’s very generous. He will say something which will be very generous. A person who is a loving character, he will do something which will show that he’s extremely loving. So you first find out what is your character. Supposing you are a loving person, then why not love each other? Why not talk of love? Why not be kind? We suppress that, and we take our temperament as our own. And once you take your temperament as your own, there are problems and problems and problems. They are just like bubbles. These temperaments have no value, no substance, useless. And they are the greatest joy killers. If you have one person who is temperamental – [you’ve] had it. All of you will know that this person has this temperament – they’ll run away. People have their own ways of doing things, that one has to merge, has to surrender to The Whole. We must learn to surrender our own little, little things to The Whole, and then you’ll be surprised that we will become so congenial, so integrated – despite our different characters. You have to maintain your different character, different style of talking, different style of walking, different style of expression. But the character, if it is not brought forward, the whole thing is so ugly so horrid. Like the stinking, rotting leaves these days. But if you remove the leaves, these old leaves, these useless leaves, then you find the beautiful grass below. So nobody should identify with your temperament. That is very important for Sahaja Yoga. You must know that people are going to come to Sahaja Yoga because of you not because of Me. They cannot understand Me. I am beyond them. I say something of the seventh floor. They just don’t understand. They will understand you, not Me. This is very important, perhaps you people do not realize. You are not, supposing, taking Sahaja Yoga seriously, you are not doing anything about it. You are still very much attached to things. You are not willing to do this, you are not willing to do that, you don’t want to give up this or that. Then people will say, “Oh he’s a Sahaj Yogi, such a person. How can he be? What has he achieved?” You may say, “I’ve got the Bliss, Mother has given me the Bliss”, they’ll say, “Not, we cant see that in your face”. You are still criticizing each other. Still you think no end of yourself, still you are catching here and there. So it is you , you are the reflection of Sahaja Yoga, not Me. They will know, they will see, “All right, She is all right”. I have seen people who are My relations, they will say, “Oh You are Beyond. Nobody can reach You and so we are not going to try.” But if they see there are some people have reached somewhere, then they will come. Isn’t it? So you are like people, say I’m placed on the seventh floor and you are placed on the first floor, all of you. Then you come to the third floor then people start seeing. The first floor people cannot see the seventh floor, but if you are there at least on the third floor they say, “Oh there are some people on the third floor, let’s go ahead!” It is like that, because people see what they can see, they cannot see what they cannot see. So when they see transformation in you, they see that beauty in you, then they know that there is Sahaja Yoga. So for Sahaja Yoga’s sake we have to sacrifice certain things and I have told you already that we have to sacrifice all the funny habits or temperaments we have got, that today you have to decide that, “I’ll give up this”, and it is, today, as I told you, there are special blessings, it will work out. You have to become really good Sahaja Yogis. Now by comparing with each other you cannot. By talking to each other you cannot. It is your own, it is you who has to certify “Am I all right? Am I a good Sahaja Yogi? Am I really progressing?”. You must progress, if you do not progress then you are not growing. All of you have to grow, and grow and grow. So the last of all is the day when we are very happy. Now this is the first time My birthday is celebrated in London, first time abroad, and all the Indian Sahaja Yogis must be pining for Me. I am sure, all over, they must be terribly pining for Me, so we have to think about them also. Think about other Sahaja Yogis, what they must be doing. Think about them – you will feel happy. You sit down and think about others and you’ll feel very happy thinking about those people because they also are your brothers and sisters. And so nice it is to feel that you have so many brothers and sisters who speak the same language. So we have to transcend that limitation that we are in England – no, we are everywhere, and you can in your meditation, think of all these people who are there. Establish your relationships with them. Establish your understanding with them. You write to them. As we have got pen-friends, you can get some pen-friendship and you can start writing to people. It will be a very good idea if you start something like that. But letter writing is another thing which is Sloth, completely. You see I write much more letters than anybody, anyone of you can write, and despite the fact that I’m so busy. You know how busy I keep. Despite that, I write letters. But I have seen that English Sahaja Yogis have no time to write letters. Nobody can believe that they have no time to write letters. First of all we must decide that also is too much, everything "too much" should be avoided. How much we eat, how much time we spend in talking to each other, let us decide about it, find out about it, and then you will be amazed that if you really find out the time, you will see that you have lots of time which you can save. So like a person who has limited money, he sits down makes a budget. In the same way you make the budget of your timing. You are always busy – doing what? So let us find out that time, that time when you have to allow yourself to grow, that time which is required for your personal attention, which is required for your evolution, that you must give. That is the due you have to pay because you are realized souls now and the responsibility is your own. In this, best thing is to take to wisdom. Sit down once and take to wisdom and think it over, "Mataji has given us realization, all right. The germination has started, all right. Where are we? How far are we? Have we got even our roots or not? Have you got the shoots coming out or not? Where are we?" Just find out for yourself. I know that Mataji is pulling all of you and you are all dragged into it. You have to be jolly well going, moving somewhere, but if you give your motivating force, all of you. Not even one person should drag behind, because his weight is going to pull us back isn’t it? So that’s why I say it is selfish. If anybody lags behind, that weight we have to pull again. So what happens, it’s like the story that a person who walks three steps forward and five steps backwards. When will he reach? He’ll never reach. When will he reach? Such a question, you see it is, as they asked in the mathematics, you see, “When will he reach?” Such people who move backwards faster than the forwards. So everybody must decide that, "I am moving backwards, I must move forwards." By that you are helping the whole grow, and will be the ideal thing for Sahaja Yoga. So your individual growth should be all right, and your collective growth should be all right. It takes not much. Meditation you have to do. You have to sit in Nirvichara. You have to give up your thinking. Try to be in Nirvichar, try to be in Nirvichar, and you will be surprised how the thing will flower out. Next year I want to see many more people to come. Apart from that I also want to see everybody progressing. You see even if you get thousands of people and of no quality what’s the use? What are we going to do with them? We have to have people of quality, people who will work it out, who will get to it. Who are identified but are not working it out is useless. So everyone must work it out, must work hard. Do not criticize others, do not sympathize, and go further and further with your progress. The other day I was finding out the meaning of the word 'Ashram', means 'a place for the ascetics to live'. Ashram is a place, if you have to go there, don’t carry all your luggage there. You have to take very few things there. You should be able to live with two [or] three clothes in an ashram. You see, Ashram is a place where you are trained to be temperate, where you are trained how to control your senses, how to control your attention. But there also what do we do? Let us find out, what do we do to control our attention? Best thing is that when you go to the ashram – take to the rigorous treatment of yourself, absolutely rigorous treatment, “All right now we are in ashram, let's go all ahead”. Early in the morning you get up, you do this, you do that, and you work it out in such a manner that you see to it that once you get out of the ashram, you are absolutely perfected. That should be the ashram. While it seems that in the ashram, if you go, people get worse. Is most surprising. And even they told My husband. He said, “What, what sort of an ashram you have that people go and catch in the ashram? What sort of an ashram it is?”. The reason is, who are in the ashram must maintain a certain discipline, and get up in the morning and not indulge in too much tea taking. Everything must have a balance, go on reducing. Everything you can go on reducing. See, if you can go on reducing your sugar it will be nice. I tell you how to give up tea, very easy. You first of all stop taking sugar – half of you will leave taking. Then you stop taking any milk in it – then the other half will give up, and then you stop your tea. That’s how it will work out. But one need not go to that extreme that you just don’t have any tea. But also the other extreme is that, without tea you cannot talk to each other, every time there should be a tea. Now, just now you have had no tea, nothing, you have been sitting nicely. Since morning you have got up, you are looking very fresh and nice, nobody is tired. But then, “I’m tired, I must have tea”. All these things all work together. So one has to take a very, very pragmatic attitude towards Sahaja Yoga, and Sahaja Yoga related to ourselves. Next year I will be 58 years of age. I don’t know if I’ll be in London or wherever it is, or we may celebrate it in India. All of us may go to India, but it won’t look nice if the Sahaja Yogis from here come down with Me and there all the Sahaja Yogis there will be shocked and look at you and say, “What is this? Why are you like this? We can’t understand”, it won’t be nice. Now for next time we are not going to do that. For next time we are going to go over there, much cleaner, much better. Why not compete in this? Instead of Sloth, why not compete? If he’s getting [up] at four o’clock, why not I get [up] at least quarter to four? If, at least, five minutes to four. Let us try to compete in these things and it will work out. If you want to do it, it is very easy to do. But going to India and everybody saying that, “London Sahaja Yogis, Oh God! What a headache, they are coming now, we’ll have to clear them, this thing, that thing, all sorts of things”. They have had very funny experiences so far. For next time I would request you all to prepare yourself assiduously for one year. Only try for one year, not more than that. If you have to study, say, medicine, you have to study for seven years. Anything you have to do you have to study for years together, you have done it now! So one year religiously you see to it that you live in joy, happiness and friendship with others, and with yourself in complete assiduity and rigorous imprisonment. Then only it is going to work out. With others (Mother laughs) lot of love, lot of friendship, sweetness. With yourself complete rigorous imprisonment. If you have a temper, stand before the mirror and look at yourself when you get angry – you’ll get rid of it, you see. Then, all sorts of things can be cured. If you have any problem you ask Me, I’ll tell you how to do it, how to puncture your ego, everything I can tell you individually. But you come out with these problems, you say, “Mother, this is my problem, this is my problem. I don’t know, I’m doing this, how to solve it?” and it will work out. But by condemning yourself you are not going to work it out also. This is another fashion is, “I’m so bad, I’m no good”, is a fashion. You are perfectly all right, nothing wrong with you. Only thing you have to work it out and you have to come up. So from one year that is finishing to the next year. We have to promise, we have to promise on the day of Mataji’s birthday. You have given Me such nice, beautiful things. I love them, such nice sayings. But I have to tell you that this time I am giving you the discipline of Sahaja Yoga. Discipline yourself. Discipline is very important. If you do not discipline yourself, any tree which is not disciplined cannot grow properly. You have to discipline yourself. If you do not want to discipline, only thing you’ll be coming to My program and will be of no use to Me. You have to develop your depth, you have to go deeper into it and it has to be worked out. This year we are going to have lots of other programs which I have already talked to other people. You can find out from them. We are going to Paris, we are going to Switzerland. We are going to America and you’ll have lots of time. But even when you have no work, when you are alone, you can work it out. Every moment you have to work it out. This year you really dedicate, a year of dedication, for improving yourself fully, working it out, meeting regularly and doing it. Not only writing. For example in the committee meeting, everybody’s there. Now you all discuss, write it down in the paper, all right. “We have to do this, we have to do that, we’ll all get up at four o’clock” and till six o’clock everybody’s snoring, that sort of a thing is not going to help. So we have to work it out because this is what is in store for us. It’s such a beautiful thing. A little effort and what a joy, little effort and what a personality! Little effort and what a power! Little effort and what a collective strength! So a little effort, “Have I put in little more than what I can put in?” And give up this idea of “I’m tired”. Nobody’s going to get a heart attack, take it from Me. Nobody’s heart is going to fail, take it from Me. You have lots of energy, but put it in the right channel. That is going to help all of us. Also I would like to have from you suggestions. You sit down, talk to each other for arranging other programs. I am going to Brighton also, we have fixed those dates also for Brighton. But other places, wherever you want Me to go. Say Edinburgh or any place. I’m here May, June, July, like that I’m here. We’ll fix it up, whenever you say we will do. But weekdays I can go, weekends is rather difficult. We have already fixed Paris and this thing for weekends. But weekends are difficult for Me because I have another things to attend to. So now I am with you do whatever you please. But first and foremost thing is that you have to be absolutely all right. You have to learn Sahaja Yoga, you have to know, you have to be experts. I have seen people who come only yesterday became great experts while [those] who are slogging for seven years are still [slogging]. So we all have to work it that way and must have faith in ourselves as I have faith in you. I have great faith in you and I can see the beautiful time that we are going to have together and really enjoy ourselves thoroughly. Absolutely we are going to enjoy. You don’t have any frights, don’t take any steps which can spoil other people's temperaments. Either you are aggressive or non-aggressive. But it is never so. If you are aggressive then you give up aggression then you become a timid person. Timidness has no value in Sahaja Yoga. What is it am I going to do with timid people - timid, tired, fagged out? If you are tired, take some tonic, get well. All of you should get well, and see that you really achieve that sparkling radiance within. You won’t believe that your Mother works very hard. Very, very hard She has to work with you people, and I have to really pull you through, really pull you through. But still you find Me very happy because I see something that is so beautiful, that is so nice, so sweet, so great in you, and whenever I see that I just say, “This will all go away after all, you see these are all dried leaves, they will have to go, autumn will be over and spring will be coming.” So you see, I forget it, and I just don’t worry about how much I have worked, how much I have to work out. But trust each other, love each other and give more trust and more love and understanding and no sympathy of any kind. So I don’t know how to thank you again and again for making that function so successful. People are very happy about it and we are going, we are looking forward to tomorrow’s program on the 24th and that is going to be really a very, very heavy day for all of us. So after today’s this thing, you will know that you are much better now. Keep it up. Put yourself into bandhan. Girdle up yourself, and “Onward Christian soldiers”. This is what it is, we have to be in that way. We are the people who are loving. We love. We distribute love. We emit love, and we have to be that picture and that image that when people see they’ll say, “Oh these are the right type of people”. We need not wear any dresses or anything like that, but only seeing you people blooming like that people have to believe that you are all great. You have already shown your great work in that exhibition and people were enamored how you are so transformed and you are so great. I mean they were really enamored how you did the whole job so well and so systematically. So again I have to remind, on this day that we have to promise our Mother that, “Mother, this year we really promise you we’ll work very hard. We’ll be very compassionate, [full of] kindness.” [Don’t laugh at people] – that’s not your right, that’s not the way to do it, you see you should not laugh, that’s not good manners. Just try to see, what is the person saying. Even if he’s stupid, no use laughing at him. Just see what he’s saying, what is his attitude, and all this will bring forth a very, very beautiful image of all My children, whom I love very much. I will love and love and love. Whatever may happen I’ll be your own. But still, in My love I request you that I cannot feel happy unless and until I make you like Myself. All right? Thank you very much.	null	null	null	Birthday Puja. London (UK), 23 March 1980. The birthday of Your Mother, and all such celebrations have a very deep significance, because on such occasions, special vibrations flow in the atmosphere. When all the celestial bodies, the Eternal Personalities, Gods and Goddesses sing the praise, and that’s how the whole atmosphere is filled with mirth and happiness. Human beings also, express their gratitude. Expression of gratitude and love is done in different, different ways in different countries, but the substance remains the same and the forms change. The substance is like the ocean which flows continuously towards the shores and the ripples which touch the shores are again repelled back, and a nice pattern is formed. It is such a spontaneous thing and is so beautiful, creates such a beautiful pattern in the atmosphere. All these waves when they weave together the pattern of love they soothe human beings, they enchant human beings and the whole thing is very blissful. On such occasions a special type of feelings develop, which we cannot express in words so the expression could be in any form. But the main thing is the expression. God has expressed Himself by Creation, by creating this Creation. While the Creation has to express its gratitude by glorifying Him, and this play must go on eternally. It’s the most beautiful play. Those who indulge into this play lead an eternal life. That life is unending, never breaks and binds the whole universe with its beautiful music. Today, specially, I have to speak to people who feel weak to follow Sahaja Yoga, who are fickle minded, those who lack strength, those who are afraid of taking Sahaja Yoga seriously. It is very important that fickle mindedness must be seen clearly – why we are fickle. Mostly it might be the ego that is stopping you from doing something that is very, very important. The ficklemindedness comes to us by various ways, as I said one of them is ego. A fickle minded person can be frightened by his own ego and he may stop doing Sahaja Yoga after going up to a point, because the ego might say now, “Here forward, if you go, there is a tunnel in which you cannot enter. You should not go any further. It’s very dangerous.” It could be marred by your Sloth. Sloth is the curse of this country I feel. It’s the curse of the Sahaja Yoga also. I do not know if it is the curse of the Western World but Sloth is something, is like a devil that can keep you very much glued to your own positions and will not allow you to move out. For example in the morning you get up and you think that, “Oh, it’s all right, what’s the need to get up early in the morning? There is no need to do any meditation. I’ll do it tomorrow”. Otherwise you start thinking that, “It can be done after a month, doesn’t matter, Mataji is here, everything will be all right.” But you must know that there are so many imperfections within you, and if you do not meditate now, seriously, take it up as a very serious thing, you may lag behind so much that you may be dropped out. Meditation is very important after Sahaja Yoga. You have slept and slept all your life. Sleeping is not so important. You have to today promise Me that, from tomorrow, you all are going to get up in the morning and meditate. I was suggesting that if you take your baths in the morning would be better, so that you won’t have your sleepy condition. Sloth is such a devious thing that you do not see it. It explains everything. If you say, “Oh I am sick” it will say, “Oh you are so sick you should go to the hospital”. If you say, “I’m tired” it will say, “You are extremely tired”. Why should you be so tired? It is nothing but your Sloth is telling you that, “You are extremely tired, you better not do meditation now you are extremely tired. You better take some rest, is important”. Sloth is worse than super-ego and ego. Is a kind of an inertia which pulls you down, and that inertia you have to really throw away and get out of it. Because it explains everything, you like it, because it gives you little comfort, and you want to rely on your Sloth. But Krishna has said in Gita, that Sloth is the worst thing that can happen to human beings. If they take to Sloth, if they accept Sloth, they will have all explanations for being Slothful. He, “Alasya”, He calls it, is the worst disease according to Him, for any aspirant of spiritual life. You may think that, “You see I’m not well now” or anything, Sloth can give you any ideas. Because I don’t have that so I don’t know what ideas it gives you but it can give you any kind of idea that would be very, very appealing to you because it knows how to please your ego. Sloth is a ego- satisfying thing, ego-pampering stuff, and it makes you feel that, “Oh you are very tired”. What are you tired about? You are all young people, why should you be tired? You get tired so soon, is nothing but your Mr. Sloth telling you you are tired. You will be surprised, after feeling tired [if] you run for two miles, you can run. Now why Sloth works [on] Sahaja Yoga so adversely? Why Sloth works out against Sahaja Yoga so much? The reason is, because we are not yet identified with our wellbeing. We do not think that “We have to be better, we have to improve, we have to go further, there’s a big gap, we have to do it”. We are not identified with our progress. Supposing if I tell you, in England, that if you run two miles every day in the morning, [that] you will get a beauty prize, 99.9% of people, of women of this country, would be running early in the morning. Supposing if somebody tells men that, "You will get Mr. Universe if you run every day five miles in the morning", there will be, I don’t know, 99.999% people may be running like that, because we are identified with that kind of a competition which is very materialistic, which is of no value. But when you give up even that competition you fall into another competition [which] is everybody is competing [with] each other in Sloth. They will get up in the morning, see around, “Now, Cooly’s still sleeping, all right, let me sleep”. So Cooly will think, “He’s still sleeping, let me sleep”. So there is a big competition on as to who is going to wake up first, who is going to do this. And if somebody gets up then one starts finding faults that, “He got up but what? He was just taking tea” or “He was talking”. What about you? You were still in bed! At least he got up, was talking, doesn’t matter. But he was kicking. What about you who was still slumbering in the bed? Now it’s such a childlike thing, I mean, it’s such a childish thing to talk about with such intellectuals as you are, such well read and such well posted people. That doesn’t behove Me, a Mother of such great people, to talk like this, but sometimes I find My Sahaja Yogis are like two year old children, and then I have to tell them that “Now you are grown up”. You see, you can explain it but how are you going to explain yourself? Because if you have to grow, if you want your tree to grow, you must change your priorities and your identifications. If you have to be a first-class Sahaja Yogi, you have to put your attention to it. I do not know how to fix it up. Supposing we fix it up like this, it’s very childish but I have to tell you because I have seen this is the problem, that, “The day I don’t get up, I’ll have to pay 10 pee”, let’s keep it like that. If you are getting much more pay then put it at ten pounds. But something like that. Or you can say that, “That day I’ll give up one sweater of mine”. Start it like that. It’s very easy. People will say that, “No Mother, when I meditate, you know, something goes wrong with me” – means you are wrong, there’s something wrong with you. So you better sit down and meditate. Now, I must say, if you do not meditate, you are very selfish. That’s the main point is. Because when you come here, scorpions come out of you [Mother says “Me” but obviously means “you”] to bite My feet. There are snakes coming out of you to bite My feet. Do you want to do that to Me? Or else to others also. The other day somebody came to My house and Chaya and all these people were there. He was so caught up that they were reeling with giddiness, and everybody was trying to take it out and work it out. If you want Sahaja Yoga to work out in this country and in the West, we have to understand our own value, and we must work it out. Every time if you are catching, every time you meet Me you are catching, then how are you going to feel the Kundalini? You must know how the Kundalini moves within yourself. Say, where it is, how far it has gone. At least there should be at least ten people like that, minimum, because I have worked here so hard. You don’t know, I didn’t work so many years in India and there will be at least 80% people who can feel the Kundalini moving – it is here, it is there it is there. And some people feel over-satisfied with their progress also. It is like a full group of people going somewhere, say a tug-of-war. Even [if] one person moves two steps forward than where he is, the whole thing moves. But we do not see to the people who are moving it towards them, what we always see is, "How can we compete with the person who is not moving? If he is moving back two steps, we can move back three steps." This kind of attitude will not help us. You know that Sahaja Yoga is the only way, is the only method that Divine Grace has given you, by which you are going to transform the whole world, and lazy lumps how can they help Sahaja Yoga? Laziness is the worst thing today. I know today is not a day to say all these things, but you all have to promise to Me that you are going to give up your laziness – Swaha. That’s what I have seen that, whenever I meet you people you are caught up. The another thing which goes against Sahaja Yoga is, I have told you hundred times, I don’t know how many times, is to talk ill about other Sahaja Yogis. We are all part and parcel of one body, say we are all part and parcel of one hand. Now if this finger starts talking ill about this one, what is it going to do? Talking ill about each other is a very wrong thing. So today also decide that, "We will never talk ill about anybody else but we’ll look at ourselves – what is our position." I’ve seen people passing remarks about other people who themselves are very badly caught up, and not worried about themselves. Now, by this, how are you going to improve? If you do not pay attention to yourself, and pay attention to others you cannot improve. So another promise should be that, "We will not talk ill about other Sahaja Yogis." But no Sahaja Yogi should take anything for granted. We have to really work very hard. So second habit of talking ill about other Sahaja Yogis should be Swaha, and thinking even about it. You are absolutely cutting the threads of Sahaja Yoga, which I have very sweetly woven. Now you would be generous to Me, I know. You can be very generous, you have given Me a very beautiful painting, I am very thankful to you. But try to do it to others also – generosity. You should be really bound together and you can see then what we can produce. You have seen how nicely we did the exhibition. Everybody was enamored. Everybody was very happy that you did so well. It was such a joyous thing and everybody was congratulating, they telephoned to Me. They said, “How they are together? There was no quarrel, no fighting, nothing. They did it so well.” So tell your mind that, “How dare you think against any Sahaja Yogi”. Do you know all of you are saints of the highest calibre? And this kind of wretched, non-sensical thing, so low level, how can you do? I may talk ill about others, I may say that, “He’s bad”, just to test you. So many times I do that to see how you feel about someone. If I say somebody's bad, just keep quiet. It will have two purposes. One will be that, if you are sympathising with someone, so I am saying, “Don’t sympathize” because you are sympathizing with a wrong person. Or maybe I am just testing you. So keep it noted in your mind, if I say that person is no good, then keep it in your mind, “Am I sympathizing with that person?” This negative sympathy is very common. So third promise should be that we will not sympathize. If you sympathize, 'sym-pathize' means 'you share the pathos of others'. You have to just share the joy of another person. So we will not sympathize with others, with anyone, but we will share the joy of another person. The part that is joy of another person, we are going to share and look out for the joy. Try to see the good points. Some people just cannot see. That’s how you dominate each other. That’s a wrong thing. In a growth of vital importance it is important to know, what are the vital parts. If you try to press one vital part, you cannot grow also, because you are all supported together. So the third thing is – you have to promise that you are not anymore going to sympathize with anybody else. None of you can love as much as I can love. And then one should know that if you have sympathies, there is no need at all. But you should have feelings for everyone. Now every human being has a character and a temperament. Apart from his Self, is his Spirit which is pure, in Its own form, It just gives you vibrations, tells you right, left and all that. But everybody has a character, is important, because the light that is burning in a candle can be different style, another different style. Looks nice, variety looks nice, it gives you beauty. So your character you must know. Respect your character and enjoy the character of another person. I really enjoy your characters and how sweetly you behave towards your own characters. But temperament is not your Self. Temperaments you must give up. Temperaments are horrid things. You give up your temperaments but keep to your character. A character is something so great, is something so sweet, and I see that character in a person, and I feel like - how is it they are not identifying with their character but with temperament? For supposing somebody has a temperament of saying something silly – is a temperament. So you just say, “What is this going on? Why am I saying things silly? I better get rid of it”. Somebody has a temperament of getting boiled up very fast – so you see to it that this temperament is not your character. But some people are so low level that even in their character you can find something going on and on and on, which is – their temperament has become one with their character. So try to separate. First of all you separate yourself from your temperament to your character, and in that character you enlighten your light. See how beautiful you will be, you’ll enjoy each other much more. Now when you are with Me, I know everything about you, no doubt. Everything. In your mind, what’s going , I read minds. I read everything, but what I see is your light. Then what I see is your character. I do not bother about your temperament, but a time comes when this temperament becomes more dominant thing. You become so much identified with [it], “I am like that! I am like that! What to do? I am like that! It happens to me. I...I...I...I...I.” So the fourth resolution should be – No more “I”. We are not going to talk about “I”, “I think”, “I believe”. Who are you? “I believe” – now who are you? Are you Jesus Christ, that your beliefs and your faiths are that great? So we should say, “We believe”, “We are like that”. Now we have to move in one body, with all our different characters we have to say “We”, “We which are part and parcel of one personality.” So always say “We”, and this is how we must know that these temperaments are the things which keeps us out from everyone. Temperaments can be – somebody is a crying baby. Then that person will remain a crying baby for such a long time till I’ll break My head. If somebody is a frightened person, he’ll be always frightened like that. You say anything – frightened. It’s useless. Why to be like that? You be normal. If you have that kind of a temperament you be normal. Is not good. Some person is an aggressive person, or a hot tempered person. He’ll be losing temper all the time. That’s a temperament again, that’s not his character. Character shows in small, small things. I’ll show you a character. Now a person has a character that he’s very generous. He will say something which will be very generous. A person who is a loving character, he will do something which will show that he’s extremely loving. So you first find out what is your character. Supposing you are a loving person, then why not love each other? Why not talk of love? Why not be kind? We suppress that, and we take our temperament as our own. And once you take your temperament as your own, there are problems and problems and problems. They are just like bubbles. These temperaments have no value, no substance, useless. And they are the greatest joy killers. If you have one person who is temperamental – [you’ve] had it. All of you will know that this person has this temperament – they’ll run away. People have their own ways of doing things, that one has to merge, has to surrender to The Whole. We must learn to surrender our own little, little things to The Whole, and then you’ll be surprised that we will become so congenial, so integrated – despite our different characters. You have to maintain your different character, different style of talking, different style of walking, different style of expression. But the character, if it is not brought forward, the whole thing is so ugly so horrid. Like the stinking, rotting leaves these days. But if you remove the leaves, these old leaves, these useless leaves, then you find the beautiful grass below. So nobody should identify with your temperament. That is very important for Sahaja Yoga. You must know that people are going to come to Sahaja Yoga because of you not because of Me. They cannot understand Me. I am beyond them. I say something of the seventh floor. They just don’t understand. They will understand you, not Me. This is very important, perhaps you people do not realize. You are not, supposing, taking Sahaja Yoga seriously, you are not doing anything about it. You are still very much attached to things. You are not willing to do this, you are not willing to do that, you don’t want to give up this or that. Then people will say, “Oh he’s a Sahaj Yogi, such a person. How can he be? What has he achieved?” You may say, “I’ve got the Bliss, Mother has given me the Bliss”, they’ll say, “Not, we cant see that in your face”. You are still criticizing each other. Still you think no end of yourself, still you are catching here and there. So it is you , you are the reflection of Sahaja Yoga, not Me. They will know, they will see, “All right, She is all right”. I have seen people who are My relations, they will say, “Oh You are Beyond. Nobody can reach You and so we are not going to try.” But if they see there are some people have reached somewhere, then they will come. Isn’t it? So you are like people, say I’m placed on the seventh floor and you are placed on the first floor, all of you. Then you come to the third floor then people start seeing. The first floor people cannot see the seventh floor, but if you are there at least on the third floor they say, “Oh there are some people on the third floor, let’s go ahead!” It is like that, because people see what they can see, they cannot see what they cannot see. So when they see transformation in you, they see that beauty in you, then they know that there is Sahaja Yoga. So for Sahaja Yoga’s sake we have to sacrifice certain things and I have told you already that we have to sacrifice all the funny habits or temperaments we have got, that today you have to decide that, “I’ll give up this”, and it is, today, as I told you, there are special blessings, it will work out. You have to become really good Sahaja Yogis. Now by comparing with each other you cannot. By talking to each other you cannot. It is your own, it is you who has to certify “Am I all right? Am I a good Sahaja Yogi? Am I really progressing?”. You must progress, if you do not progress then you are not growing. All of you have to grow, and grow and grow. So the last of all is the day when we are very happy. Now this is the first time My birthday is celebrated in London, first time abroad, and all the Indian Sahaja Yogis must be pining for Me. I am sure, all over, they must be terribly pining for Me, so we have to think about them also. Think about other Sahaja Yogis, what they must be doing. Think about them – you will feel happy. You sit down and think about others and you’ll feel very happy thinking about those people because they also are your brothers and sisters. And so nice it is to feel that you have so many brothers and sisters who speak the same language. So we have to transcend that limitation that we are in England – no, we are everywhere, and you can in your meditation, think of all these people who are there. Establish your relationships with them. Establish your understanding with them. You write to them. As we have got pen-friends, you can get some pen-friendship and you can start writing to people. It will be a very good idea if you start something like that. But letter writing is another thing which is Sloth, completely. You see I write much more letters than anybody, anyone of you can write, and despite the fact that I’m so busy. You know how busy I keep. Despite that, I write letters. But I have seen that English Sahaja Yogis have no time to write letters. Nobody can believe that they have no time to write letters. First of all we must decide that also is too much, everything "too much" should be avoided. How much we eat, how much time we spend in talking to each other, let us decide about it, find out about it, and then you will be amazed that if you really find out the time, you will see that you have lots of time which you can save. So like a person who has limited money, he sits down makes a budget. In the same way you make the budget of your timing. You are always busy – doing what? So let us find out that time, that time when you have to allow yourself to grow, that time which is required for your personal attention, which is required for your evolution, that you must give. That is the due you have to pay because you are realized souls now and the responsibility is your own. In this, best thing is to take to wisdom. Sit down once and take to wisdom and think it over, "Mataji has given us realization, all right. The germination has started, all right. Where are we? How far are we? Have we got even our roots or not? Have you got the shoots coming out or not? Where are we?" Just find out for yourself. I know that Mataji is pulling all of you and you are all dragged into it. You have to be jolly well going, moving somewhere, but if you give your motivating force, all of you. Not even one person should drag behind, because his weight is going to pull us back isn’t it? So that’s why I say it is selfish. If anybody lags behind, that weight we have to pull again. So what happens, it’s like the story that a person who walks three steps forward and five steps backwards. When will he reach? He’ll never reach. When will he reach? Such a question, you see it is, as they asked in the mathematics, you see, “When will he reach?” Such people who move backwards faster than the forwards. So everybody must decide that, "I am moving backwards, I must move forwards." By that you are helping the whole grow, and will be the ideal thing for Sahaja Yoga. So your individual growth should be all right, and your collective growth should be all right. It takes not much. Meditation you have to do. You have to sit in Nirvichara. You have to give up your thinking. Try to be in Nirvichar, try to be in Nirvichar, and you will be surprised how the thing will flower out. Next year I want to see many more people to come. Apart from that I also want to see everybody progressing. You see even if you get thousands of people and of no quality what’s the use? What are we going to do with them? We have to have people of quality, people who will work it out, who will get to it. Who are identified but are not working it out is useless. So everyone must work it out, must work hard. Do not criticize others, do not sympathize, and go further and further with your progress. The other day I was finding out the meaning of the word 'Ashram', means 'a place for the ascetics to live'. Ashram is a place, if you have to go there, don’t carry all your luggage there. You have to take very few things there. You should be able to live with two [or] three clothes in an ashram. You see, Ashram is a place where you are trained to be temperate, where you are trained how to control your senses, how to control your attention. But there also what do we do? Let us find out, what do we do to control our attention? Best thing is that when you go to the ashram – take to the rigorous treatment of yourself, absolutely rigorous treatment, “All right now we are in ashram, let's go all ahead”. Early in the morning you get up, you do this, you do that, and you work it out in such a manner that you see to it that once you get out of the ashram, you are absolutely perfected. That should be the ashram. While it seems that in the ashram, if you go, people get worse. Is most surprising. And even they told My husband. He said, “What, what sort of an ashram you have that people go and catch in the ashram? What sort of an ashram it is?”. The reason is, who are in the ashram must maintain a certain discipline, and get up in the morning and not indulge in too much tea taking. Everything must have a balance, go on reducing. Everything you can go on reducing. See, if you can go on reducing your sugar it will be nice. I tell you how to give up tea, very easy. You first of all stop taking sugar – half of you will leave taking. Then you stop taking any milk in it – then the other half will give up, and then you stop your tea. That’s how it will work out. But one need not go to that extreme that you just don’t have any tea. But also the other extreme is that, without tea you cannot talk to each other, every time there should be a tea. Now, just now you have had no tea, nothing, you have been sitting nicely. Since morning you have got up, you are looking very fresh and nice, nobody is tired. But then, “I’m tired, I must have tea”. All these things all work together. So one has to take a very, very pragmatic attitude towards Sahaja Yoga, and Sahaja Yoga related to ourselves. Next year I will be 58 years of age. I don’t know if I’ll be in London or wherever it is, or we may celebrate it in India. All of us may go to India, but it won’t look nice if the Sahaja Yogis from here come down with Me and there all the Sahaja Yogis there will be shocked and look at you and say, “What is this? Why are you like this? We can’t understand”, it won’t be nice. Now for next time we are not going to do that. For next time we are going to go over there, much cleaner, much better. Why not compete in this? Instead of Sloth, why not compete? If he’s getting [up] at four o’clock, why not I get [up] at least quarter to four? If, at least, five minutes to four. Let us try to compete in these things and it will work out. If you want to do it, it is very easy to do. But going to India and everybody saying that, “London Sahaja Yogis, Oh God! What a headache, they are coming now, we’ll have to clear them, this thing, that thing, all sorts of things”. They have had very funny experiences so far. For next time I would request you all to prepare yourself assiduously for one year. Only try for one year, not more than that. If you have to study, say, medicine, you have to study for seven years. Anything you have to do you have to study for years together, you have done it now! So one year religiously you see to it that you live in joy, happiness and friendship with others, and with yourself in complete assiduity and rigorous imprisonment. Then only it is going to work out. With others (Mother laughs) lot of love, lot of friendship, sweetness. With yourself complete rigorous imprisonment. If you have a temper, stand before the mirror and look at yourself when you get angry – you’ll get rid of it, you see. Then, all sorts of things can be cured. If you have any problem you ask Me, I’ll tell you how to do it, how to puncture your ego, everything I can tell you individually. But you come out with these problems, you say, “Mother, this is my problem, this is my problem. I don’t know, I’m doing this, how to solve it?” and it will work out. But by condemning yourself you are not going to work it out also. This is another fashion is, “I’m so bad, I’m no good”, is a fashion. You are perfectly all right, nothing wrong with you. Only thing you have to work it out and you have to come up. So from one year that is finishing to the next year. We have to promise, we have to promise on the day of Mataji’s birthday. You have given Me such nice, beautiful things. I love them, such nice sayings. But I have to tell you that this time I am giving you the discipline of Sahaja Yoga. Discipline yourself. Discipline is very important. If you do not discipline yourself, any tree which is not disciplined cannot grow properly. You have to discipline yourself. If you do not want to discipline, only thing you’ll be coming to My program and will be of no use to Me. You have to develop your depth, you have to go deeper into it and it has to be worked out. This year we are going to have lots of other programs which I have already talked to other people. You can find out from them. We are going to Paris, we are going to Switzerland. We are going to America and you’ll have lots of time. But even when you have no work, when you are alone, you can work it out. Every moment you have to work it out. This year you really dedicate, a year of dedication, for improving yourself fully, working it out, meeting regularly and doing it. Not only writing. For example in the committee meeting, everybody’s there. Now you all discuss, write it down in the paper, all right. “We have to do this, we have to do that, we’ll all get up at four o’clock” and till six o’clock everybody’s snoring, that sort of a thing is not going to help. So we have to work it out because this is what is in store for us. It’s such a beautiful thing. A little effort and what a joy, little effort and what a personality! Little effort and what a power! Little effort and what a collective strength! So a little effort, “Have I put in little more than what I can put in?” And give up this idea of “I’m tired”. Nobody’s going to get a heart attack, take it from Me. Nobody’s heart is going to fail, take it from Me. You have lots of energy, but put it in the right channel. That is going to help all of us. Also I would like to have from you suggestions. You sit down, talk to each other for arranging other programs. I am going to Brighton also, we have fixed those dates also for Brighton. But other places, wherever you want Me to go. Say Edinburgh or any place. I’m here May, June, July, like that I’m here. We’ll fix it up, whenever you say we will do. But weekdays I can go, weekends is rather difficult. We have already fixed Paris and this thing for weekends. But weekends are difficult for Me because I have another things to attend to. So now I am with you do whatever you please. But first and foremost thing is that you have to be absolutely all right. You have to learn Sahaja Yoga, you have to know, you have to be experts. I have seen people who come only yesterday became great experts while [those] who are slogging for seven years are still [slogging]. So we all have to work it that way and must have faith in ourselves as I have faith in you. I have great faith in you and I can see the beautiful time that we are going to have together and really enjoy ourselves thoroughly. Absolutely we are going to enjoy. You don’t have any frights, don’t take any steps which can spoil other people's temperaments. Either you are aggressive or non-aggressive. But it is never so. If you are aggressive then you give up aggression then you become a timid person. Timidness has no value in Sahaja Yoga. What is it am I going to do with timid people - timid, tired, fagged out? If you are tired, take some tonic, get well. All of you should get well, and see that you really achieve that sparkling radiance within. You won’t believe that your Mother works very hard. Very, very hard She has to work with you people, and I have to really pull you through, really pull you through. But still you find Me very happy because I see something that is so beautiful, that is so nice, so sweet, so great in you, and whenever I see that I just say, “This will all go away after all, you see these are all dried leaves, they will have to go, autumn will be over and spring will be coming.” So you see, I forget it, and I just don’t worry about how much I have worked, how much I have to work out. But trust each other, love each other and give more trust and more love and understanding and no sympathy of any kind. So I don’t know how to thank you again and again for making that function so successful. People are very happy about it and we are going, we are looking forward to tomorrow’s program on the 24th and that is going to be really a very, very heavy day for all of us. So after today’s this thing, you will know that you are much better now. Keep it up. Put yourself into bandhan. Girdle up yourself, and “Onward Christian soldiers”. This is what it is, we have to be in that way. We are the people who are loving. We love. We distribute love. We emit love, and we have to be that picture and that image that when people see they’ll say, “Oh these are the right type of people”. We need not wear any dresses or anything like that, but only seeing you people blooming like that people have to believe that you are all great. You have already shown your great work in that exhibition and people were enamored how you are so transformed and you are so great. I mean they were really enamored how you did the whole job so well and so systematically. So again I have to remind, on this day that we have to promise our Mother that, “Mother, this year we really promise you we’ll work very hard. We’ll be very compassionate, [full of] kindness.” [Don’t laugh at people] – that’s not your right, that’s not the way to do it, you see you should not laugh, that’s not good manners. Just try to see, what is the person saying. Even if he’s stupid, no use laughing at him. Just see what he’s saying, what is his attitude, and all this will bring forth a very, very beautiful image of all My children, whom I love very much. I will love and love and love. Whatever may happen I’ll be your own. But still, in My love I request you that I cannot feel happy unless and until I make you like Myself. All right? Thank you very much.
3/24/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5964	The Meaning of Reality	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	51	“The Meaning of Reality”, Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London, England. 24 March 1980. How many of you are new people? I would like to know. So first of all I’ll have to tell you something about Sahaj Yog and also about how people get mixed up with other things. The first and foremost thing one must know [is] that, if there is something genuine, people do tend to create something fake out of it. It is a fact of life. One has to accept it. If you have real flowers then you find all kinds of plastic plants, all kinds of copies of that. In art it is a very good thing to copy what God has created and also to add to it your own feelings and your own angles about a particular scene. An artist sees much more than a normal man can see. A normal impression of any material thing is quite gross. But [an] artist being subtler because of his temperament and because of his own sensitivities he sees much more and deeper things. And he reproduces that which is created by God in a better way; because he exposes those subtleties which a normal human eye cannot see or perceive. As far as material things are concerned, it’s a very good attempt. And one should do it. That can really give people a subtler understanding of God’s Creation. But as far as the real religion is concerned, you cannot play about with it. You cannot create copies of that because it’s a living thing. You cannot create copies of living things because you cannot create life. You can make it life-like, but it cannot be a living thing. Religion is a living thing within us. It is the sustenance within us which starts flowering from the very beginning of life: where life changes, transforms from one single-cellular animal to this complex human being. You cannot show that transformation by making a painting out of it; because as soon as a human being touches the thing, it is dead. We can show a smiling flower. You can show at the most a mobile smile of Mona Lisa. That’s also you make sometimes. But you cannot show Mona Lisa who is smiling all the time or changing her forms. And that is why it is important to understand that when people try to copy the real religion within you, they make a good job out of it. They have to make it so good that people should not be deceived anymore. This has been our problem since long. Christ was real, Shri Krishna was real. But those who tried to copy Him did a good job out of it but still it was not real. And that is why whenever any such attempts are made you find that it is very confusing for a person to make out real from unreal. I have been facing this problem since I went to America in 1970. When I went to America in 1970, there were people who came out with their tape recorders and they had very complicated machineries. They taped me, and they taped whatever I was telling them and some of the people who were organising my programme took an objection to it. And they said, “Mother, we should not tape it!” I said, “Why not? Let them tape it. It has vibrations. Why are you afraid?” They said, “No, they’ll make a copy out of it.” I said, “Let them make a copy. By making a copy they cannot make me out of that, or they cannot make you out of that. They cannot raise the Kundalini of people, they cannot give them Self-realisation. When it comes to actuality, they cannot do it. What will they do? At the most they’ll talk.” So there was a book, written as ‘New Awareness’ in which words ‘vibrations’ and all those things I have said was used. And they sent me the copy of the book saying that, “See, this is what has happened out of you.” And there were many people who started talking about these things - new dimensions, new awareness - all those things. And they also started claiming that they can raise Kundalini! Up to that point, people can tell lies! Human beings have a special capacity to tell lies. I think nobody, no creation of God is that good at telling lies as human beings are. And without understanding that you will be tested, you will be found out, without any fear about it! They are making copies of it because they can make some money out of it perhaps. Maybe because of that, they can have some sort of a advertising advantage, or some sort of a material, baser advantage they will get out of it. So I had to accept it. I said, “Alright, go ahead, doesn’t matter!” But when it comes to actually giving Realisation they are nowhere. They found out also other methods of making it look very attractive. First of all, it’s a money-making proposition. Once you start making money, you can spend also: on advertising, having a big circus about it; talking in a way that would look extremely fantastic. Even they got recognition by governments, some of them have earned millions of pounds and billions of dollars. But then one has to know that the mistake lies not only with them but also with the people who are seeking the truth. As I have said before and many-a-times, modern times are the blossoming time. This is the time when we are going to become the fruits. This is the time of real transformation. This is the time of real baptism. This is the time when you are going to know your Self. The time has come. It’s the maturity that’s important for life. You have seen that in this human body, if we inject anything, it is thrown out. If you try to push anything into this body which is a foreign material, which cannot be absorbed by this body, it’s thrown out. But if you see a foetus, it is not thrown out. Not only that, but it is nurtured, looked after, loved and, at the right maturity, it comes out at the right time. In the same way, the development of spiritual ripening had to reach a certain maturity in the human beings to get to this breakthrough. Think of Christ, only about two thousand years back. Do you think we could have got them for such a congregation? People who are really seekers, who are seeking? They were people who never knew about God. They were people who did not know that there was something Divine. It was Christ who had to introduce this idea. In those days, in this England, what was the situation of awareness? People were fighting with the cold and with all the winds that were blowing over this island. They had no idea at all that there was God. On the contrary if they had anything, they used to think, “Why so cruel a God?” This awareness had to mature up to a point, come up to a point, and then this was to happen. It is in life, you have seen - everything has to mature. If you sow the seed and say, “Tomorrow I must get the fruits!” You are not going to get any. But if you see the whole span of life, it is a very, very short time. Even the time from when the earth seceded from the sun, and on that life came into existence, then it become a human being, itself is a big miracle. It could not have happened. It’s such a short time that nobody can believe that it can be a thing of chance. On this point all scientists agree that, in mathematical calculation, if you use the law of chance, it does not explain at all that, in such a short time, human beings could be created. But as human beings are, when they are scientists, they refuse to accept anything beyond. One side you have people, scientists, who do not want to accept anything beyond the gross. The other side we have people who see some things from the beyond and believe that it is spiritual - which is not. Anything that is beyond the gross need not be spiritual, need not be the real. It could be something else which you have not yet seen. So, under these circumstances of confusion, the cunning takes birth on this Earth and they find out ways and methods of exploiting people. Some of them are not cunning, they genuinely believe they can help people. And some of them are absolutely naive and they start this work with that naivety, start getting little money out of it, or some sort of a recognition and then they find that it’s a good method of floating an enterprise, and they do it. But for this, we have so many ways of understanding what is the real. We have so many scriptures which are true. [If] they are true or not at least should be verified. Once you discard some theories or any hypothesis you must know that you have not given proper respect and understanding of that thing. How can you disregard something which you have not read, which you have not seen? So that’s how it works out and people start producing things which are fake. Today, why I am going to speak about it [is] because I had lots of questions, that people said, that, “Many people come with the same ideas as you are saying and they are claiming the same thing, and what is the difference between Sahaja Yoga and other things?” In one sentence, I can say, Sahaja Yoga is the actualisation of the experience of Self, while others are just talking, talking, talking, talking, talk. Now it is said, not only in India. Christ not being an Englishman I would say he didn’t say it in England. But when I see, see your Stonehenge, I know there were people who were working on Kundalini. But the other day I met a lady who was telling me that, “Now scientifically it has been proved that Stonehenge has no meaning.” I said, “How can they understand what the Stonehenge is? How will they understand? Because their awareness at this point is gross.” By science you cannot understand Stonehenge! For that you have to have that new awareness by which you can feel the vibratory awareness within you, the radiation of the Self. How it happens? In the Bible it is written that, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” There are many sentences like that. Now can you explain to me what are those tongues of flames are? Because those who are also reading their Bible are just reading the words. By reading the words you can at the most say, “Tongues of flames means this, that,” anything they can put up but actually you have not seen it. So it’s all a guesswork and imagination, that’s why there are so many crooks, so many religious organisations, so many gods, so many everything. But if you have seen it then you will know what it means. You have seen this hall so you know what this hall means. But if you have not been inside this what’s the use of talking about it when you have not been there? But it is another common human failing that one tries to do it. As all the incarnations, and all the great prophets, and all the Realised-souls were very simple people. Perhaps I have had the greatest human Realisation among all of them. I have understood human beings much better than they have understood. Because they were born at such a level that they could not see what a human mind works with. They cannot understand, because at that level you have no temptations, you don’t know why should anybody tell lies, you don’t know why you should copy, why should you try to be nasty. So many times I feel that way that when I hear people talking ill of others or anything, I say, “I have no time sufficient to love. And where do talk and sit down and think of all these nonsensical things?” But human beings can be very nonsensical! This, perhaps, none of these incarnations ever realised. I had to come to understand it, I believe. And after understanding human beings, I felt that the time gap was too much. And that’s how they started groping here and there and doing all kinds of things. And, in the meanwhile, this cunning has profited itself. So first you just raise your attention a little higher and think from there that - How can you purchase God in the market? How can you pay for an experience which is your own transformation? Which comes through life? How can anyone who says he’s a holy man be a parasite? How can anyone who is supposed to be giving you religion, would depend on you for his living? How can you organise God, and how can you organise that living religion? And [such] simple questions one should ask, I think, before going into these things. And once you start asking such questions to yourself, you will be able to say - like in Sanskrit it is said, “Ya neti neti wachane nigamor avochus” By saying, “Not this, not this, not this”, you reach to the Truth. But then when the Truth also comes in you [still] say, “Not this.” Like our American friends who are doing nowadays ‘guru shopping’. They also start saying, “Not this, not this, not this”. First they’ll jump into it headlong, get a big bump. Then they’ll go to another one, have another bump there. By the time they are absolutely fagged out, they come across Sahaja Yoga and they say, “Not this too!” It’s an interesting thing - how human beings are going to miss the Truth. What is the Truth? Truth is that you are created specially, you are chosen specially to enter into the kingdom of God, to manoeuvre His power, to get all His blessings and all His enjoyment because He is your Father, God Almighty, who loves you. This is the fact and the truth and unless and until somebody gives you that, you are not to believe into anyone. This headlong plunge cannot be explained except when we have to accept that we had some sort of a weakness, or some sort of a hallucination or mesmerised mind that we got into this nonsense. Now for Sahaja Yoga, it has been written thousands of years back, not today, that, in a human being is placed in the sacrum bone, a residual power, called as ‘Kundalini’, which awakens and gives you your second birth. This is what Christ has said, “You are to be born again.” You are to be born again. Not your father, not your children. It is you who has to be born again. Means when you are living you will be twice-born. In your own human awareness you must get this experience. Unless and until you have that experience you are not to believe into any nonsense that’s going on. Specially if it is selling. If you give up only one point that nobody can take money for this experience, 99.9% people will drop out. One person may be there, who might be wanting some sort of a recognition or [for] something they might be doing it and might be telling stories that, “I have a big factory” or something like that. All that you have to see - what are they giving you? When this Kundalini rises, you have seen here, in the triangular bone, she is placed in three and a half coils. She exists there as a living thing. It’s a living energy which differs in different people. The colour is something, we can say, like a tube light in a person who is a very awakened person. But depends on what sort of a person it is. In the people who are extremely gross, this Kundalini looks like mud put together. In some people, it looks a whitish mud. It has different colours and different illuminations according to the human beings. Now you cannot see it, I agree. But you can see the pulsation of this Kundalini. When you see some people, coming over here, now most of them have seen it, and who are giving, who have given Realisation. You can see their pulsation on their backs. You can see that part of the bone, sacrum bone which is sacrum because it is sacred. Why is it sacred? This bones are not burnt. If the whole body is burnt out also, this bone cannot be burnt. You see, people - this word has come from Greek language - had recognised that this bone is a sacred bone and that’s why they called it as ‘sacrum’. This bone in us contains this energy which you can see with your naked eyes in the bone [when] it is pulsating, you can see it very clearly. Now, one can see there, that this nobody can do. This pulsation nobody can do. People make you jump, dance, shout, shriek, wear dresses, wear uniforms, do all kinds of nonsensical things, but they cannot make this bone pulsate. And when the bone pulsates, it rises. The whole rising of pulsation you can see it, and with a stethoscope you can hear it, till it reaches the fontanel bone area where also you can hear that pulsation just like your heart pulsation. Recently, very recently I should say Kabira has lived. He was a great poet and a great Sahaja Yogi. He has sung the praise of Sahaja Yoga. He said, “Shunya shikhara para anahata baaji”. He said, “On the silent peak of the head, anahata” - means the sound without percussion, this, “lub-dub, lub-dub” - “you can hear that.” And when it becomes silent then you have got your Realisation. At that very moment you start feeling the cool breeze coming towards you if I am there. But if I am not there it is going out of you. Now this cool breeze like flowing is the radiation of the Self. This radiation passes through your body just like my voice is passing through this (mic), and you can actually feel it. Whatever you can feel is the real. Whatever you can see is the real, whatever you can hear is the real. You can feel it flowing from your hands. Now I must say also that it doesn’t happen to everyone. Like every flower may not become a fruit. But it happens to many of you. And if you see the time factor, it acts on many people at the same time. But little one second, one second here, two minutes there, later or earlier. It’s something like flowers turning into fruits - that’s a slower process still. But Sahaja Yoga process can work out [so fast that] within half an hour even thousand people can get Realisation . Now it is also written that, “it is very difficult”. But it is also written [that], “When the time will come it will happen en-masse.” It is a difficult thing, no doubt. It is a very difficult thing for human beings to take out a primule, or the germinating power, out of the seed. You cannot pull it out to become a tree. Whatever you may try, you stand on your head, do whatever you please, you cannot germinate it. It has to happen spontaneously. In the same way whatever has to happen spontaneously, you cannot labour for it, you cannot work for it, it just happens. Now what works out the thing? In a seed what works out the germination? The seed is a built-in tree. It’s all placed in there. It’s all placed in you. The whole thing is placed in your evolutionary process. All these centres are your evolutionary steps: one by one [they] are the milestones in your progress. And it is all placed within you. Because it is a living process, it only acts to that which is living. Like water has to be poured onto the seed. But it has to be water. Say if you put plastic or kerosene oil it won’t sprout. In the same way one has to pour that Divine love; which you have to get, passing from your hands. That Divine Power which is called as Brahma, within you. This All-pervading Divine power, which you cannot feel normally, has to be [a] little bit poured into you. And somebody who can do it can sprout the Kundalini and Kundalini is awakened and you get your Self-realisation. Now, how are we to believe that this is Self-realisation? It happens to people in such a way: “Yes, we have felt the cool breeze, all right. We are feeling, yes, very relaxed, all right. But still how is it Self-realisation?” Such questions must be known beforehand what are we expecting out of it. That I said it’s a new awareness, a new dimension in your awareness. So how do you get a new awareness within? The awareness of the Self, how do you get it? The awareness of the human beings you have got. But awareness of the Self if you are getting, how are you going to find out? First of all [the] Self is that subtle instrument within you as shown. You start feeling on your fingers all your subtle centres which are controlling the sympathetic nervous system. Here you can see the colours as shown clearly. These colours are related to the chakras that are within you, to the subtle centres. These subtle centres control the gross plexuses within us. So you start feeling them. This is actualisation. For a person, who is a very devoted, dedicated, simple Indian, say in India, he just gets the joy, he is laughing within himself, “I have found it! I have found out”, he goes on. And for an intellectual, say in England, he first starts verifying, analysing what he has got. He doesn’t accept the joy part of it because his heart is closed. So he starts finding out what is in this centre, what is in this centre, what is in this centre. By this happening what you get, first and foremost, is your physical fitness. You are physically completely cured through Sahaj Yog. For example cancer is a disease which is a modern disease. We are exhausting all our energy and that’s why we are getting cancer. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaj Yog. And I have cured cancer and many of the Sahaj Yogis have been cured of cancer, of leukaemia. What happens and how it works out will need another lecture, but if you can read one of my pamphlets which I had spoke to the Medical Institute in India you will understand how cancer can be cured. Most of the diseases can be cured by Sahaj Yog. Except that if you remove the bone, it cannot create it. But all the repairing work can be done through Sahaj Yog. But once you get your Realisation you are amazed that you start curing people. Mental diseases can be easily cured by Sahaj Yoga. You see, this is like giving castor oil with a chocolate! Unless and until you tell them some material benefit, people are not going to listen to you. As soon as you tell them your diseases can be cured, they prick their ears, they start listening. If you say your mental troubles will be over, then they say “Alright, listen to this!” Now we have people here who have had mental troubles, they have all been cured of their mental troubles. They are leading a very normal life. This is the minimum that can happen to you. The third chocolate is that your material life improves. Because we have a centre there, just in the centre, where you see already the light is going, clearly - that’s the place, if it is under any trouble then you have your financial problems. It’s a very subtle thing why we have our financial problems. But you do not become a multi-millionaire with Sahaj Yog, no! That’s another problem. Sahaj Yoga does not give you headaches. It gives you sufficient to be satisfied, to be generous, to be good. First of all it cures most of your evils. Today only I was listening, in the television, that three million people of this country are under great trouble because of alcoholism. While some people, though [they] take little, they may get into the same problem. All such habits drop out without any trouble, just like that! Drug habits drop out. So many things happen, and you get alright. These things happen because you start enjoying your Self which resides in your heart. Because you are bored, that’s why you are doing all these things. People are talking now what to do about churches. It’s such a lot of money to maintain them. Why? Because there is no Christ in those churches. Same with our temples in India. Same with all the mosques. They will all be finished because there is no light in it. This light has come now. One has to accept it, and kindle your heart through this simple method of Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja: ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’. It is born with you. It is within you. You are built-in with it. It is your right to get this union with God. You don’t have to do anything about it - it’s a fact - to begin with, to germinate it. To germinate is very easy. You all may get it in no time. But to maintain it is difficult. I would say like this, that I am determined to germinate you, whatever may be the situation, conditions, anything. But you also must have some determination of your own. If I could do it on my own, I would not have asked you to be here. Sitting down at home I would have worked it out. But I have to begrudge you to be here, to get this germination, feel it, understand it, and go deep into it - by your asking. You have to knock at the door. Even [if] the door is ajar and you come inside, still you have to grow. And the growth part of it requires your attention. In this, only, Sahaja Yoga fails - in the beginning, not later - because as you start facing the reality, though it is so enjoyable and quiet, still you are tagged down through many things. I would say, if you can imagine: a person who is in a pond, and he is tagged down with all the kinds of growth in the pond, and the pond is dirty because people have not yet understood the essence of purity, they have not understood what auspiciousness means, they have not understood how important it is to be pure. So, when they come up a little, the head comes out, they see the light, again they are sucked back. So you have to make an effort to keep the head up and to come out of it. This is what I call as a growth: where your determination is needed. But human determination itself is another very funny stuff, which I have seen in thousands of people now. And I cannot understand that if you tell them that you have to run round the whole of England, and have a race, you will get at least [a] thousand people to do it, but if you tell them you have to just stick on to your experience of Realisation and you have to keep it going, in the beginning I find fifty percent people do not want to do it and they just drop out. They are so fagged out already perhaps, they are so tired, that even whatever love, whatever care I may bestow upon them, still they cannot stand up. And that is why Sahaja Yoga spreads very slowly. In England, as you know, I have been here for six years, and for four years I was struggling with eight people. People who are real seekers will achieve it and will go very far, but the people who are seeking only material things, they have material wants, they finish off at the material want level because they get it, then finished. Of course they’ll have my photograph, they will say, “We are doing puja at home, Mother, yes, Your photograph is there, it’s perfectly alright!” And there are people who are mixed up. They are the ones [who] even when they discover the Self within themselves, they get lost, because the webs of this pond are very strong and heavy and you have to struggle out of it to be there. Then it’s yours! Once you are completely victorious, it’s yours! You have to get it and it has to happen - though slowly, doesn’t matter. It is going to work out. And that joy which has been promised to you is going to be yours. While struggling out, you have another very great help, that you actualise the experience - actualise again I am saying - of being collectively conscious. Sitting down here, you can feel another person’s centres. You can start curing them. That’s how those webs that are holding you down…say your father is a wrong type of a man, if he is a drunkard, you can give him vibrations and cure him, he can join hands with you. Say, your mother is wrong, or your brother is wrong, if there is no seeking in them, you can awaken that seeking in them and collectively, then, you come up. This collective consciousness is your own, is built-in within you, but manifests only after Realisation. Unless and until this machine is connected to the mains it won’t manifest. You are just to be connected to the mains, but the machine is not alright - sometimes it is fifth hand. So it has to be repaired and their wire people have to have. Despite all those I have had people who are I think, hundred of them they have been to me with various sorts of problems they have had - it is alright. I am all for you, but you have to be for yourself. Unless and until you have your self-esteem, it’s not going to work out. I have, because I can see something in you sparking. You cannot see that. I have to just open [it] out, and you have to start seeing it and feeling it and enjoying it, and to be that, because that has to be! But my seeing is different from yours and that’s why I understand the failing. I know why you are failing, because you are not seeing that what I am seeing. Once you start seeing and feeling that, then you flower into it. Most of you are going to get it and are going to be that, that perfect being who is one with God and is manifesting His powers. No doubt. But I have still some people in my Sahaja Yoga, I think, who are not yet alright. I am working hard on them and they’ll be all alright. I have full hopes they’ll be alright. There’s nothing to feel dejected about it. But one has to know it’s a serious thing. It’s not that you can achieve it through paying, or if you attend one programme you think you have done a great honour to me. It is for you to honour your Self. For I have esteem for you, while you do not yet have that esteem as I have. Once your esteem comes up to somewhere there, you will be amazed how beautiful you are and how much you have to gain and how much is still in store for you. I think there’s no end to it! I have speaking in this hall for, now, days together. And this is the time when we thought we should get some more people to work on and to give them this. It is working out. I am sure it will, but you must know that individually you should feel it. Now, if you go out and people start talking, that’s not the way. Individually you should feel it. It is an individual experience. But say, five people coming, two persons get it, and three do not. Three will feel jealous of the two who got it. It’s human nature. And they will start saying, “Oh, how can that be? It’s not possible. It’s all hallucination,” this, that. Human nature is so funny that it doesn’t sometimes allow others to enjoy what that person is enjoying because you cannot enjoy. Doesn’t matter. Whatever may be the pranks of the children is, they can be corrected. I hope all of you get the experience today, and then you’ll get to it. Then first you become thoughtlessly aware. In this experience you become nirvichari - thoughtlessly aware. It is silent. Where two thoughts meet, a thought rises and falls off, another thought rises and falls off; in the centre is the place where you have to reside in the present. Not in the past or the future. Your attention resides in that, that’s how you establish your thoughtless awareness, the first step, when the Kundalini transcends this centre of Christ here - Agnya chakra - is very important. When it comes here, and starts beating, and when it pierces through that, then you receive the other state which we call as a nirvikalpa they say. But you get it, again you go down, you get it, again you go down. If you establish that constantly then you get a stage where it is doubtless awareness in which you start working it out. Only with this opening you can cure people, you can raise the Kundalini, but you cannot give Realisation. But if you have pierced your Sahasrara even once you can start giving Realisation to others. It is such a pure energy. Whatever may be your instrument, whether it is junky or whatever type it is, the Realisation you can give in the purest form, the energy that flows from you is pure. It doesn’t carry your impurities with it, it’s absolutely pure because it is the radiation of the Spirit which cannot be spoiled, cannot be killed. It may be stopped or covered but you cannot kill it. That pure Being is anxious to radiate in you. So let us have that experience now. If you have any questions I would like you to ask me, but every time I have had a very bad experience with people who asked me questions. They will ask the question, delay everything and they will be the first to leave. It’s the most amazing thing! Bizarre. So if you have to ask anything positive then it’s good, otherwise you should not spoil everybody else’s chances of getting Realisation. I would like to have questions from you. Please. But don’t be afraid. Please. It is a thing that is going to happen to you beyond thought, beyond rationality. Because the rationality takes you up to a point, it is limited. You have to go to unlimited. You have to be triggered out of that rationality. Yes, please? (unclear question) Oh, so he is a sahaja yogi! Sit down. He is a Sahaja Yogi but I would say that that I will tell you later on for the Sahaja Yoga how to maintain it, because there are so many who have maintained it and have done. It’s not difficult. Also I have been out of touch with you, otherwise those who have been doing it have been able to maintain it. In India there’s a place called Rahuri where one single man has transformed five villages! Five villages! Absolutely. One person has done it. They have given up drinking, have given up everything, they are enjoying themselves and I mean, their life is a very different thing! The relationships are ??? . Everything is so beautiful now.	null	null	null	“The Meaning of Reality”, Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London, England. 24 March 1980. How many of you are new people? I would like to know. So first of all I’ll have to tell you something about Sahaj Yog and also about how people get mixed up with other things. The first and foremost thing one must know [is] that, if there is something genuine, people do tend to create something fake out of it. It is a fact of life. One has to accept it. If you have real flowers then you find all kinds of plastic plants, all kinds of copies of that. In art it is a very good thing to copy what God has created and also to add to it your own feelings and your own angles about a particular scene. An artist sees much more than a normal man can see. A normal impression of any material thing is quite gross. But [an] artist being subtler because of his temperament and because of his own sensitivities he sees much more and deeper things. And he reproduces that which is created by God in a better way; because he exposes those subtleties which a normal human eye cannot see or perceive. As far as material things are concerned, it’s a very good attempt. And one should do it. That can really give people a subtler understanding of God’s Creation. But as far as the real religion is concerned, you cannot play about with it. You cannot create copies of that because it’s a living thing. You cannot create copies of living things because you cannot create life. You can make it life-like, but it cannot be a living thing. Religion is a living thing within us. It is the sustenance within us which starts flowering from the very beginning of life: where life changes, transforms from one single-cellular animal to this complex human being. You cannot show that transformation by making a painting out of it; because as soon as a human being touches the thing, it is dead. We can show a smiling flower. You can show at the most a mobile smile of Mona Lisa. That’s also you make sometimes. But you cannot show Mona Lisa who is smiling all the time or changing her forms. And that is why it is important to understand that when people try to copy the real religion within you, they make a good job out of it. They have to make it so good that people should not be deceived anymore. This has been our problem since long. Christ was real, Shri Krishna was real. But those who tried to copy Him did a good job out of it but still it was not real. And that is why whenever any such attempts are made you find that it is very confusing for a person to make out real from unreal. I have been facing this problem since I went to America in 1970. When I went to America in 1970, there were people who came out with their tape recorders and they had very complicated machineries. They taped me, and they taped whatever I was telling them and some of the people who were organising my programme took an objection to it. And they said, “Mother, we should not tape it!” I said, “Why not? Let them tape it. It has vibrations. Why are you afraid?” They said, “No, they’ll make a copy out of it.” I said, “Let them make a copy. By making a copy they cannot make me out of that, or they cannot make you out of that. They cannot raise the Kundalini of people, they cannot give them Self-realisation. When it comes to actuality, they cannot do it. What will they do? At the most they’ll talk.” So there was a book, written as ‘New Awareness’ in which words ‘vibrations’ and all those things I have said was used. And they sent me the copy of the book saying that, “See, this is what has happened out of you.” And there were many people who started talking about these things - new dimensions, new awareness - all those things. And they also started claiming that they can raise Kundalini! Up to that point, people can tell lies! Human beings have a special capacity to tell lies. I think nobody, no creation of God is that good at telling lies as human beings are. And without understanding that you will be tested, you will be found out, without any fear about it! They are making copies of it because they can make some money out of it perhaps. Maybe because of that, they can have some sort of a advertising advantage, or some sort of a material, baser advantage they will get out of it. So I had to accept it. I said, “Alright, go ahead, doesn’t matter!” But when it comes to actually giving Realisation they are nowhere. They found out also other methods of making it look very attractive. First of all, it’s a money-making proposition. Once you start making money, you can spend also: on advertising, having a big circus about it; talking in a way that would look extremely fantastic. Even they got recognition by governments, some of them have earned millions of pounds and billions of dollars. But then one has to know that the mistake lies not only with them but also with the people who are seeking the truth. As I have said before and many-a-times, modern times are the blossoming time. This is the time when we are going to become the fruits. This is the time of real transformation. This is the time of real baptism. This is the time when you are going to know your Self. The time has come. It’s the maturity that’s important for life. You have seen that in this human body, if we inject anything, it is thrown out. If you try to push anything into this body which is a foreign material, which cannot be absorbed by this body, it’s thrown out. But if you see a foetus, it is not thrown out. Not only that, but it is nurtured, looked after, loved and, at the right maturity, it comes out at the right time. In the same way, the development of spiritual ripening had to reach a certain maturity in the human beings to get to this breakthrough. Think of Christ, only about two thousand years back. Do you think we could have got them for such a congregation? People who are really seekers, who are seeking? They were people who never knew about God. They were people who did not know that there was something Divine. It was Christ who had to introduce this idea. In those days, in this England, what was the situation of awareness? People were fighting with the cold and with all the winds that were blowing over this island. They had no idea at all that there was God. On the contrary if they had anything, they used to think, “Why so cruel a God?” This awareness had to mature up to a point, come up to a point, and then this was to happen. It is in life, you have seen - everything has to mature. If you sow the seed and say, “Tomorrow I must get the fruits!” You are not going to get any. But if you see the whole span of life, it is a very, very short time. Even the time from when the earth seceded from the sun, and on that life came into existence, then it become a human being, itself is a big miracle. It could not have happened. It’s such a short time that nobody can believe that it can be a thing of chance. On this point all scientists agree that, in mathematical calculation, if you use the law of chance, it does not explain at all that, in such a short time, human beings could be created. But as human beings are, when they are scientists, they refuse to accept anything beyond. One side you have people, scientists, who do not want to accept anything beyond the gross. The other side we have people who see some things from the beyond and believe that it is spiritual - which is not. Anything that is beyond the gross need not be spiritual, need not be the real. It could be something else which you have not yet seen. So, under these circumstances of confusion, the cunning takes birth on this Earth and they find out ways and methods of exploiting people. Some of them are not cunning, they genuinely believe they can help people. And some of them are absolutely naive and they start this work with that naivety, start getting little money out of it, or some sort of a recognition and then they find that it’s a good method of floating an enterprise, and they do it. But for this, we have so many ways of understanding what is the real. We have so many scriptures which are true. [If] they are true or not at least should be verified. Once you discard some theories or any hypothesis you must know that you have not given proper respect and understanding of that thing. How can you disregard something which you have not read, which you have not seen? So that’s how it works out and people start producing things which are fake. Today, why I am going to speak about it [is] because I had lots of questions, that people said, that, “Many people come with the same ideas as you are saying and they are claiming the same thing, and what is the difference between Sahaja Yoga and other things?” In one sentence, I can say, Sahaja Yoga is the actualisation of the experience of Self, while others are just talking, talking, talking, talking, talk. Now it is said, not only in India. Christ not being an Englishman I would say he didn’t say it in England. But when I see, see your Stonehenge, I know there were people who were working on Kundalini. But the other day I met a lady who was telling me that, “Now scientifically it has been proved that Stonehenge has no meaning.” I said, “How can they understand what the Stonehenge is? How will they understand? Because their awareness at this point is gross.” By science you cannot understand Stonehenge! For that you have to have that new awareness by which you can feel the vibratory awareness within you, the radiation of the Self. How it happens? In the Bible it is written that, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” There are many sentences like that. Now can you explain to me what are those tongues of flames are? Because those who are also reading their Bible are just reading the words. By reading the words you can at the most say, “Tongues of flames means this, that,” anything they can put up but actually you have not seen it. So it’s all a guesswork and imagination, that’s why there are so many crooks, so many religious organisations, so many gods, so many everything. But if you have seen it then you will know what it means. You have seen this hall so you know what this hall means. But if you have not been inside this what’s the use of talking about it when you have not been there? But it is another common human failing that one tries to do it. As all the incarnations, and all the great prophets, and all the Realised-souls were very simple people. Perhaps I have had the greatest human Realisation among all of them. I have understood human beings much better than they have understood. Because they were born at such a level that they could not see what a human mind works with. They cannot understand, because at that level you have no temptations, you don’t know why should anybody tell lies, you don’t know why you should copy, why should you try to be nasty. So many times I feel that way that when I hear people talking ill of others or anything, I say, “I have no time sufficient to love. And where do talk and sit down and think of all these nonsensical things?” But human beings can be very nonsensical! This, perhaps, none of these incarnations ever realised. I had to come to understand it, I believe. And after understanding human beings, I felt that the time gap was too much. And that’s how they started groping here and there and doing all kinds of things. And, in the meanwhile, this cunning has profited itself. So first you just raise your attention a little higher and think from there that - How can you purchase God in the market? How can you pay for an experience which is your own transformation? Which comes through life? How can anyone who says he’s a holy man be a parasite? How can anyone who is supposed to be giving you religion, would depend on you for his living? How can you organise God, and how can you organise that living religion? And [such] simple questions one should ask, I think, before going into these things. And once you start asking such questions to yourself, you will be able to say - like in Sanskrit it is said, “Ya neti neti wachane nigamor avochus” By saying, “Not this, not this, not this”, you reach to the Truth. But then when the Truth also comes in you [still] say, “Not this.” Like our American friends who are doing nowadays ‘guru shopping’. They also start saying, “Not this, not this, not this”. First they’ll jump into it headlong, get a big bump. Then they’ll go to another one, have another bump there. By the time they are absolutely fagged out, they come across Sahaja Yoga and they say, “Not this too!” It’s an interesting thing - how human beings are going to miss the Truth. What is the Truth? Truth is that you are created specially, you are chosen specially to enter into the kingdom of God, to manoeuvre His power, to get all His blessings and all His enjoyment because He is your Father, God Almighty, who loves you. This is the fact and the truth and unless and until somebody gives you that, you are not to believe into anyone. This headlong plunge cannot be explained except when we have to accept that we had some sort of a weakness, or some sort of a hallucination or mesmerised mind that we got into this nonsense. Now for Sahaja Yoga, it has been written thousands of years back, not today, that, in a human being is placed in the sacrum bone, a residual power, called as ‘Kundalini’, which awakens and gives you your second birth. This is what Christ has said, “You are to be born again.” You are to be born again. Not your father, not your children. It is you who has to be born again. Means when you are living you will be twice-born. In your own human awareness you must get this experience. Unless and until you have that experience you are not to believe into any nonsense that’s going on. Specially if it is selling. If you give up only one point that nobody can take money for this experience, 99.9% people will drop out. One person may be there, who might be wanting some sort of a recognition or [for] something they might be doing it and might be telling stories that, “I have a big factory” or something like that. All that you have to see - what are they giving you? When this Kundalini rises, you have seen here, in the triangular bone, she is placed in three and a half coils. She exists there as a living thing. It’s a living energy which differs in different people. The colour is something, we can say, like a tube light in a person who is a very awakened person. But depends on what sort of a person it is. In the people who are extremely gross, this Kundalini looks like mud put together. In some people, it looks a whitish mud. It has different colours and different illuminations according to the human beings. Now you cannot see it, I agree. But you can see the pulsation of this Kundalini. When you see some people, coming over here, now most of them have seen it, and who are giving, who have given Realisation. You can see their pulsation on their backs. You can see that part of the bone, sacrum bone which is sacrum because it is sacred. Why is it sacred? This bones are not burnt. If the whole body is burnt out also, this bone cannot be burnt. You see, people - this word has come from Greek language - had recognised that this bone is a sacred bone and that’s why they called it as ‘sacrum’. This bone in us contains this energy which you can see with your naked eyes in the bone [when] it is pulsating, you can see it very clearly. Now, one can see there, that this nobody can do. This pulsation nobody can do. People make you jump, dance, shout, shriek, wear dresses, wear uniforms, do all kinds of nonsensical things, but they cannot make this bone pulsate. And when the bone pulsates, it rises. The whole rising of pulsation you can see it, and with a stethoscope you can hear it, till it reaches the fontanel bone area where also you can hear that pulsation just like your heart pulsation. Recently, very recently I should say Kabira has lived. He was a great poet and a great Sahaja Yogi. He has sung the praise of Sahaja Yoga. He said, “Shunya shikhara para anahata baaji”. He said, “On the silent peak of the head, anahata” - means the sound without percussion, this, “lub-dub, lub-dub” - “you can hear that.” And when it becomes silent then you have got your Realisation. At that very moment you start feeling the cool breeze coming towards you if I am there. But if I am not there it is going out of you. Now this cool breeze like flowing is the radiation of the Self. This radiation passes through your body just like my voice is passing through this (mic), and you can actually feel it. Whatever you can feel is the real. Whatever you can see is the real, whatever you can hear is the real. You can feel it flowing from your hands. Now I must say also that it doesn’t happen to everyone. Like every flower may not become a fruit. But it happens to many of you. And if you see the time factor, it acts on many people at the same time. But little one second, one second here, two minutes there, later or earlier. It’s something like flowers turning into fruits - that’s a slower process still. But Sahaja Yoga process can work out [so fast that] within half an hour even thousand people can get Realisation . Now it is also written that, “it is very difficult”. But it is also written [that], “When the time will come it will happen en-masse.” It is a difficult thing, no doubt. It is a very difficult thing for human beings to take out a primule, or the germinating power, out of the seed. You cannot pull it out to become a tree. Whatever you may try, you stand on your head, do whatever you please, you cannot germinate it. It has to happen spontaneously. In the same way whatever has to happen spontaneously, you cannot labour for it, you cannot work for it, it just happens. Now what works out the thing? In a seed what works out the germination? The seed is a built-in tree. It’s all placed in there. It’s all placed in you. The whole thing is placed in your evolutionary process. All these centres are your evolutionary steps: one by one [they] are the milestones in your progress. And it is all placed within you. Because it is a living process, it only acts to that which is living. Like water has to be poured onto the seed. But it has to be water. Say if you put plastic or kerosene oil it won’t sprout. In the same way one has to pour that Divine love; which you have to get, passing from your hands. That Divine Power which is called as Brahma, within you. This All-pervading Divine power, which you cannot feel normally, has to be [a] little bit poured into you. And somebody who can do it can sprout the Kundalini and Kundalini is awakened and you get your Self-realisation. Now, how are we to believe that this is Self-realisation? It happens to people in such a way: “Yes, we have felt the cool breeze, all right. We are feeling, yes, very relaxed, all right. But still how is it Self-realisation?” Such questions must be known beforehand what are we expecting out of it. That I said it’s a new awareness, a new dimension in your awareness. So how do you get a new awareness within? The awareness of the Self, how do you get it? The awareness of the human beings you have got. But awareness of the Self if you are getting, how are you going to find out? First of all [the] Self is that subtle instrument within you as shown. You start feeling on your fingers all your subtle centres which are controlling the sympathetic nervous system. Here you can see the colours as shown clearly. These colours are related to the chakras that are within you, to the subtle centres. These subtle centres control the gross plexuses within us. So you start feeling them. This is actualisation. For a person, who is a very devoted, dedicated, simple Indian, say in India, he just gets the joy, he is laughing within himself, “I have found it! I have found out”, he goes on. And for an intellectual, say in England, he first starts verifying, analysing what he has got. He doesn’t accept the joy part of it because his heart is closed. So he starts finding out what is in this centre, what is in this centre, what is in this centre. By this happening what you get, first and foremost, is your physical fitness. You are physically completely cured through Sahaj Yog. For example cancer is a disease which is a modern disease. We are exhausting all our energy and that’s why we are getting cancer. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaj Yog. And I have cured cancer and many of the Sahaj Yogis have been cured of cancer, of leukaemia. What happens and how it works out will need another lecture, but if you can read one of my pamphlets which I had spoke to the Medical Institute in India you will understand how cancer can be cured. Most of the diseases can be cured by Sahaj Yog. Except that if you remove the bone, it cannot create it. But all the repairing work can be done through Sahaj Yog. But once you get your Realisation you are amazed that you start curing people. Mental diseases can be easily cured by Sahaj Yoga. You see, this is like giving castor oil with a chocolate! Unless and until you tell them some material benefit, people are not going to listen to you. As soon as you tell them your diseases can be cured, they prick their ears, they start listening. If you say your mental troubles will be over, then they say “Alright, listen to this!” Now we have people here who have had mental troubles, they have all been cured of their mental troubles. They are leading a very normal life. This is the minimum that can happen to you. The third chocolate is that your material life improves. Because we have a centre there, just in the centre, where you see already the light is going, clearly - that’s the place, if it is under any trouble then you have your financial problems. It’s a very subtle thing why we have our financial problems. But you do not become a multi-millionaire with Sahaj Yog, no! That’s another problem. Sahaj Yoga does not give you headaches. It gives you sufficient to be satisfied, to be generous, to be good. First of all it cures most of your evils. Today only I was listening, in the television, that three million people of this country are under great trouble because of alcoholism. While some people, though [they] take little, they may get into the same problem. All such habits drop out without any trouble, just like that! Drug habits drop out. So many things happen, and you get alright. These things happen because you start enjoying your Self which resides in your heart. Because you are bored, that’s why you are doing all these things. People are talking now what to do about churches. It’s such a lot of money to maintain them. Why? Because there is no Christ in those churches. Same with our temples in India. Same with all the mosques. They will all be finished because there is no light in it. This light has come now. One has to accept it, and kindle your heart through this simple method of Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja: ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’. It is born with you. It is within you. You are built-in with it. It is your right to get this union with God. You don’t have to do anything about it - it’s a fact - to begin with, to germinate it. To germinate is very easy. You all may get it in no time. But to maintain it is difficult. I would say like this, that I am determined to germinate you, whatever may be the situation, conditions, anything. But you also must have some determination of your own. If I could do it on my own, I would not have asked you to be here. Sitting down at home I would have worked it out. But I have to begrudge you to be here, to get this germination, feel it, understand it, and go deep into it - by your asking. You have to knock at the door. Even [if] the door is ajar and you come inside, still you have to grow. And the growth part of it requires your attention. In this, only, Sahaja Yoga fails - in the beginning, not later - because as you start facing the reality, though it is so enjoyable and quiet, still you are tagged down through many things. I would say, if you can imagine: a person who is in a pond, and he is tagged down with all the kinds of growth in the pond, and the pond is dirty because people have not yet understood the essence of purity, they have not understood what auspiciousness means, they have not understood how important it is to be pure. So, when they come up a little, the head comes out, they see the light, again they are sucked back. So you have to make an effort to keep the head up and to come out of it. This is what I call as a growth: where your determination is needed. But human determination itself is another very funny stuff, which I have seen in thousands of people now. And I cannot understand that if you tell them that you have to run round the whole of England, and have a race, you will get at least [a] thousand people to do it, but if you tell them you have to just stick on to your experience of Realisation and you have to keep it going, in the beginning I find fifty percent people do not want to do it and they just drop out. They are so fagged out already perhaps, they are so tired, that even whatever love, whatever care I may bestow upon them, still they cannot stand up. And that is why Sahaja Yoga spreads very slowly. In England, as you know, I have been here for six years, and for four years I was struggling with eight people. People who are real seekers will achieve it and will go very far, but the people who are seeking only material things, they have material wants, they finish off at the material want level because they get it, then finished. Of course they’ll have my photograph, they will say, “We are doing puja at home, Mother, yes, Your photograph is there, it’s perfectly alright!” And there are people who are mixed up. They are the ones [who] even when they discover the Self within themselves, they get lost, because the webs of this pond are very strong and heavy and you have to struggle out of it to be there. Then it’s yours! Once you are completely victorious, it’s yours! You have to get it and it has to happen - though slowly, doesn’t matter. It is going to work out. And that joy which has been promised to you is going to be yours. While struggling out, you have another very great help, that you actualise the experience - actualise again I am saying - of being collectively conscious. Sitting down here, you can feel another person’s centres. You can start curing them. That’s how those webs that are holding you down…say your father is a wrong type of a man, if he is a drunkard, you can give him vibrations and cure him, he can join hands with you. Say, your mother is wrong, or your brother is wrong, if there is no seeking in them, you can awaken that seeking in them and collectively, then, you come up. This collective consciousness is your own, is built-in within you, but manifests only after Realisation. Unless and until this machine is connected to the mains it won’t manifest. You are just to be connected to the mains, but the machine is not alright - sometimes it is fifth hand. So it has to be repaired and their wire people have to have. Despite all those I have had people who are I think, hundred of them they have been to me with various sorts of problems they have had - it is alright. I am all for you, but you have to be for yourself. Unless and until you have your self-esteem, it’s not going to work out. I have, because I can see something in you sparking. You cannot see that. I have to just open [it] out, and you have to start seeing it and feeling it and enjoying it, and to be that, because that has to be! But my seeing is different from yours and that’s why I understand the failing. I know why you are failing, because you are not seeing that what I am seeing. Once you start seeing and feeling that, then you flower into it. Most of you are going to get it and are going to be that, that perfect being who is one with God and is manifesting His powers. No doubt. But I have still some people in my Sahaja Yoga, I think, who are not yet alright. I am working hard on them and they’ll be all alright. I have full hopes they’ll be alright. There’s nothing to feel dejected about it. But one has to know it’s a serious thing. It’s not that you can achieve it through paying, or if you attend one programme you think you have done a great honour to me. It is for you to honour your Self. For I have esteem for you, while you do not yet have that esteem as I have. Once your esteem comes up to somewhere there, you will be amazed how beautiful you are and how much you have to gain and how much is still in store for you. I think there’s no end to it! I have speaking in this hall for, now, days together. And this is the time when we thought we should get some more people to work on and to give them this. It is working out. I am sure it will, but you must know that individually you should feel it. Now, if you go out and people start talking, that’s not the way. Individually you should feel it. It is an individual experience. But say, five people coming, two persons get it, and three do not. Three will feel jealous of the two who got it. It’s human nature. And they will start saying, “Oh, how can that be? It’s not possible. It’s all hallucination,” this, that. Human nature is so funny that it doesn’t sometimes allow others to enjoy what that person is enjoying because you cannot enjoy. Doesn’t matter. Whatever may be the pranks of the children is, they can be corrected. I hope all of you get the experience today, and then you’ll get to it. Then first you become thoughtlessly aware. In this experience you become nirvichari - thoughtlessly aware. It is silent. Where two thoughts meet, a thought rises and falls off, another thought rises and falls off; in the centre is the place where you have to reside in the present. Not in the past or the future. Your attention resides in that, that’s how you establish your thoughtless awareness, the first step, when the Kundalini transcends this centre of Christ here - Agnya chakra - is very important. When it comes here, and starts beating, and when it pierces through that, then you receive the other state which we call as a nirvikalpa they say. But you get it, again you go down, you get it, again you go down. If you establish that constantly then you get a stage where it is doubtless awareness in which you start working it out. Only with this opening you can cure people, you can raise the Kundalini, but you cannot give Realisation. But if you have pierced your Sahasrara even once you can start giving Realisation to others. It is such a pure energy. Whatever may be your instrument, whether it is junky or whatever type it is, the Realisation you can give in the purest form, the energy that flows from you is pure. It doesn’t carry your impurities with it, it’s absolutely pure because it is the radiation of the Spirit which cannot be spoiled, cannot be killed. It may be stopped or covered but you cannot kill it. That pure Being is anxious to radiate in you. So let us have that experience now. If you have any questions I would like you to ask me, but every time I have had a very bad experience with people who asked me questions. They will ask the question, delay everything and they will be the first to leave. It’s the most amazing thing! Bizarre. So if you have to ask anything positive then it’s good, otherwise you should not spoil everybody else’s chances of getting Realisation. I would like to have questions from you. Please. But don’t be afraid. Please. It is a thing that is going to happen to you beyond thought, beyond rationality. Because the rationality takes you up to a point, it is limited. You have to go to unlimited. You have to be triggered out of that rationality. Yes, please? (unclear question) Oh, so he is a sahaja yogi! Sit down. He is a Sahaja Yogi but I would say that that I will tell you later on for the Sahaja Yoga how to maintain it, because there are so many who have maintained it and have done. It’s not difficult. Also I have been out of touch with you, otherwise those who have been doing it have been able to maintain it. In India there’s a place called Rahuri where one single man has transformed five villages! Five villages! Absolutely. One person has done it. They have given up drinking, have given up everything, they are enjoying themselves and I mean, their life is a very different thing! The relationships are ??? . Everything is so beautiful now.
3/30/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6732	Seeking the Spirit	England	Brighton	Reviewed	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	43	Seeking the Spirit, Public Program. Brighton (UK), 30 March 1980. …again, to Brighton. I always had a feeling there are lots of great souls in this place who are sincerely seeking. And long time back I had wished that sometime I may be able to come to this place to meet them, and I’m so happy to be here. We have heard and learnt and read that we are not this body, that we are not this mind, we are not this ego or superego but transcending all this is the Spirit, is the Atma, which human beings have to seek. But even when you have not read these things, some of you when you are born, you start feeling that there is something that we have to seek. You are not satisfied with what you have. You have a feeling of inadequacy, that you are not yet fulfilled, that you have not found your meaning. There is something much more one has to get. This feeling is very strong and today it is much stronger than it was ever before. What are we seeking? We do not know. Actually, we have no idea what are we seeking as such, because that’s an unknown thing, that is unknown to us. But we have a feeling, one definite feeling, that whatever we have is not complete, is not satisfy. It is not full with joy and bliss. We start wondering about our lives that why are we on this Earth? Why God has created us, if He exists anywhere? Or why should we have a life just like, like an animal’s life – like coming on this Earth, eating your food and having some children and then die. That you are aware, is itself is a big blessing. But why do you feel like that? What is the reason? Even some children feel it. Even people who are not at all introduced to any religious ideas feel it. From where does this feeling comes within us that we have to seek something much more within us, something much deeper within us. And we feel earnestly from within a revolt with whatever we have and we want to do something by which we reach that point. This feeling comes to us from our unconscious, from our mind, which is not in our consciousness. But our Spirit is conscious of us. Our unconscious is conscious of us but you are not, you are not conscious of the Spirit. For example, if you are, say, going by a train and you are watching a beautiful scene, you are conscious of the whole scene that is before you. But the scene is not conscious of you. The scene cannot see or understand or is aware that there is somebody who is conscious of our beauty. In the same way this Spirit that exist within us in our heart, is conscious of us, it is guiding us, it is making us feel that there’s something lacking in us. But we are not conscious of that, we are just conscious of the lacking. And this seeking is the most important thing for human beings. Without the seeking human beings have no meaning for their existence. Say, in the animal stage, you are seeking food. When you evolve out of such seekings, even in human stage, you are seeking, say, power through politics or through conquering other countries. You are seeking also money, possessions, material things by which you think you will feel the fulfillment. But the basics of economics is that no want is satiable in general. In the sense one want may be satiable but in general the want itself is never satiable and this want is material want. So, material want is not satiable, your intellectual want is not satiable, your physical want is not satiable. Then which is the want that is satiable? – is the spiritual want. And I must say there are so many beautiful people in this world, these days. So many beautiful people those who have found out that these adventures and these enterprises have led people into terrible mess and they have even lost their human feelings. They are not even human beings if you start judging them properly. You may feel that these people are not human beings. The way they are treating each other, the way they are manifesting their own desires to gain power, money or other things. It is so ridiculous and so absurd that it doesn’t behoove a human being to be like that. This realization is also very clear-cut amongst so many people who are born very beautifully. Who hate aggression, who do not like all the ugliness of life and they feel there should be something that should happen to us so that we all can face that beauty. All this is already there, within us, if you read the literature, if you read these days many books and all that. I’m enthralled sometimes to read that how it’s ready just now. Now what is it within us? If I tell you this, you need not believe Me. No! Not at all! I do not want any blind faith because your eyes are to be open more than what they are today. So, if you become blind, what’s the use? You have to keep yourself open. Whatever I am saying just you have to see if it works, if it is so or not. It’s just a hypothesis as any scientist would put before you. But the hypothesis must be seen from a very-very open angle and the hypothesis is this that within us resides that beautiful thing which you are seeking is the Spirit in our heart. Now which is shown here in the picture. This is little bit bigger than actually what it is. You can see the whole figure itself is big. In this you see, find that in the triangular area which is the triangular bone in our body, which is called as sacrum. Now see, even the Greece, in the unconscious, they gave this bone the name of sacrum. Now in Greek language, sacrum means sacred. And when the body burns completely this bone doesn’t burn. It never burns and this is the bone, sacrum bone, is the bone in which there is a Power, which is our germinating Power. Is the Power, which connects us with the Divine. This is again a hypothesis. Keep yourself open to this. Now this Power resides there and they say that it is in a sleeping state, it is not yet awakened. And all these centers that are shown 1,2,3,4,5,6 and the 7, all of them are also placed within us, in our spinal cord partly and in our brain partly. These centers manifest outside the gross plexuses which we know them, we see them, we see them working also, which are known to our senses. But the subtle centers, which are manifesting those gross plexuses, we cannot see them, we cannot feel them, neither we can see them manifesting. These centers are within us, these subtle centers. The evolution within us has placed it there. It exists, they are there. Now when will you see them manifesting? There is a time when you can, with your own eyes, see them manifesting. If you see them manifesting then you have to believe that there is such an such Power existing, something existing, in the triangular bone which is a sacrum. Because what we believe into, what we see, what we feel, whichever is felt through our senses is acceptable to us. In the same way, in our seeking we should know that what we can see and feel, if that thing happens then only, we can accept it as the truth otherwise we should not. Supposing I give you big idea about something, why should you believe? Because whatever happens should manifest within you. It should be expressed to you in such a manner that you should be able to feel it and understand it. It’s not brain washing. Why should we accept any brain washing in a free country? And this is what if you understand that you have to be fully independent and fully free to see this manifesting. Because what you have to achieve is your full freedom. We are not free at all, at this moment because we are ignorant. Say this room is completely dark, I can’t see anything in this room. I am not free to walk. If I walk, I tumble down because I cannot see things. If it is enlightened and if there is complete light, I have the full freedom to move whatever way I like. So, in these seven centers we have got the manifestation of our parasympathetic nervous system which is in the gross, doctors understand a little bit but not much, means the system by which we get our refueling, by which we get our balancing, by which we get our coordination. For example, now as we were coming to Brighton, if our petrol was over, we had to go to some place where we could get our fuel. But supposing there was no such place in between, we would have been stuck up. In the same way God has made those refueling stations within us, which give us energy to replace the energy that we are using every time through our sympathetic nervous system. Now the sympathetic nervous system is working within us all the time. For example, if you want to run, you can run very fast but your heart will start breathing very fast, this is sympathetic. In emergency you use your sympathetic nervous system but automatically it goes back and it comes to a normal position, now this is para-sympathetic. You can make it work fast but you cannot make it slow. Where you fail to do anything, parasympathetic comes to your help and these are the centers, which supply the parasympathetic energy to us, when we are existing without our realization. But without our realization we just exist. At the slightest point, we get upset. We get into tensions because our energies are over. We get tired; we don’t know what to do? Here there is a seeking, a tremendous seeking coming, “We must have something, we must have something” and there it is you get so tired and fagged out, you don’t know how to face it. There is such a gap. And this gap is to be covered. How do you cover this gap?\\\16;15/// Actually, if you think about yourself, how did you get this nose and how did you get these eyes? You’ll be amazed; you just got it for nothing. You did nothing about it, you just got them. When you were born, you had them there. All stuck very nicely, breathing very nicely and talking very nicely and seeing very nicely. All those things were just there and they are your own. I mean you always say, “My eyes are paining.” These are your eyes. They are very, your very own; these are your own eyes. You have not paid for it. You have done nothing about them but they are your own. Now who owns those eyes, which part of you owns them, eyes? This is the point we have to find out because we have not yet found out the owner of this being, that’s why we are worried. We have to find out that owner because that owner is you. That means you have not found out yourself and that’s why you are worried. You are lost. You don’t know if you are this body; you don’t know if you are this mind or you are this ego. You don’t know really what you are. And because you are lost like a child who gets lost, you want to know who are you and that is the finding one has to do. But for that also as you have got yourself, your being – free, you cannot do anything. It is absolutely free, is the grace of the nature, which has given you – your nose, eyes everything, your breathing everything because it is so important, it is so vital that nobody can pay for it. Supposing you have to pay for your breathing, what will happen? Only the rich may breathe for a while and then they’ll also collapse? Supposing you have to pay for your heart beating, what will happen? So, you cannot pay for it, you cannot work for it. It is spontaneous it is Sahaja. “Saha” means with, “ja” means born. It is born with you. The way your nose, your eyes, your lips everything is born with you, in the same way this yoga, this right – to be one with that Unconscious, that Divine Power, that All Pervading Power, is born with you. It is within you; it is in your right to get it. You have to get it, it is your own. As you have a right to have the eyes and nose and everything this is also your human right that you should get this yoga. So, when it is your right, you don’t pay for it, you don’t pay for your dome, do you? In the same way you do not pay for your Kundalini awakening. The first thing one must understand you cannot pay for it; you cannot work for it. You may destroy it; you may destroy that yoga. For example, supposing a person has led a life which is not congenial to the Kundalini awakening or may have led a life which we can say – a man who has broken his, say, spinal cord. Then it is rather difficult, it will take time. One has to put the spinal cord in proper shape and then you can give realization to such a person. But you cannot say that every person also will get his realization because there are certain things like a person from lunatic asylum comes here and he says, “Give me realization immediately”, it is not possible. Is given to people who deserve it. Now people may say that, “Mother, maybe I am not deserving.” It is not for you to judge. Thousands get their realization, no problem but as I said supposing Hitler comes and says, “Give me realization.” He stands here; whatever he may try he cannot get it. He cannot be forgiven by God. He cannot be forgiven; he has to go to hell. That’s what it is meant for him. So, one must understand [UNCLEAR] that and for that He has created this instrument, which triggers, which triggers your awareness to that point where you start understanding, where you start becoming aware of it. It’s an actualization. It is not just talking, brainwashing or anything. It has to happen within you. If it does not happen, does not happen, you cannot give false certificate. It has to happen within you because it is reality and truth and you cannot play about with the truth. You cannot say, “No, no, no, it is white.” If it is white – it is white, if it is not – it is not. So, it should happen to all of you and it would happen also but truth must be accepted as it is, you cannot force on it. Like somebody came to Me and said that, “Mother, I have done so much, I have read so much, I have done this, I have done that. I have been to Himalayas, I’ve taken bath in the Ganges, I have been, all sorts of things I have done”, but he doesn’t get realization. I said, “Now you are not getting it”. It’s like sprouting the seed. You cannot force a seed to be sprouted. It will sprout spontaneously, no doubt, but if it is capable of sprouting then only, it sprouts. But as I have told you that thousands of people have got it and you should also be. Now for this first of all you must know that I am not a guru that way, as you think of a guru, who dictates and does that because I cannot dictate. At the most, I can tell you what’s the matter but I cannot dictate you. Say, for example, one light, which is not enlightened can enlighten another light but the light which is enlightened cannot dictate the another light, it cannot. It can only guide and tell that this would be better if you come this way, may be, that I may be able to enlighten you better. If you have come the another end, I cannot catch hold of your wick. So, the one light can tell the another light this much. So, one should not feel that there is any obligation. I mean, it is obligatory for Me to give you realization. I cannot help it because it is too much for Me, I must distribute. I mean, I should say it is the funny situation of paradox that a person who has all the Powers is like a capitalist and such a person must distribute it because he is a, he is a communist. You cannot help but to distribute it. It’s a, it’s a the thing that you only enjoy when you distribute it otherwise you cannot enjoy. Now can you think of such a situation? So, I have to come to Brighton, I have to go to America I may have to go to any village, any place, just to distribute. I have to go on distributing. This is My own life, My own nature. I have to do it. So, there is no obligation on Me, on the contrary it’s obligation on you. But on the contrary, it’s the obligation on Me because if you do not take it, I’ll have to find some other people to get it. It has to go on and on and on. Perhaps I don’t know, people have lost the value of love. They don’t know what love is these days, in modern times, because so many artificial things have been put in love. But actually, love is something, which cannot enjoy itself unless until it gives. Then think of Divine Love, unless and until it gives you, it is not going to be satisfied. If you are seeking something for your own satisfaction you are most welcome, unless [UNCLEAR] you want to [UNCLEAR]. Now in that why should anybody feel that why [UNCLEAR] you? Same question could have been asked. Now God cannot ask everybody to do it. Supposing He has asked Me to do it, so what’s the matter about it? I mean Iam willing to do it freely with all My patience, with all My love, with all My complete [UNCLEAR] record or a communication or you can say, give and take business like this [UNCLEAR]. This is just the enjoyment between the two parties. It is no question of obligation, it’s no question of any ego coming in between [UNCLEAR] amount of happiness one can get [UNCLEAR] enjoys is the point. If you could have that attitude I think it would help much better. For example, we have [UNCLEAR] newspaper and they came and they told Me that Mother [UNCLEAR] so they said, “There are so many gurus who have come here and have cheated us and this and that”. I said, “All right, they have cheated you so I’m here to protect you.” “And they have misled us”. I said, “All right, I am here to accept all the things that they have done which is wrong, and to correct and to tell you what they have done.” But I said, “You were also very naive to go to them. You were also very wrong to jump into that. You were really attracted by their circus. You were attracted by their artificial methods. You were attracted by their maneuvering because they used public relations. They used all your advertising. They used all your medias to impress you and that’s how you went to them. You were naive about it. You must know that if it is from God it has to be extremely simple and that you cannot pay for it. Apart from payment you cannot put in effort for it. If it is the grace, it has to come to you free because it is your right to get that grace. You are made like this”. Supposing somebody who has made this instrument with all care for ages together from amoeba to this stage up to this point. Now it is the time [UNCLEAR] to be connected to the mains. It is something like that. It is God Himself wants you to have it and that’s how you are going to get it. And why should pay for God? He doesn’t have to build houses or anything. Why should [UNCLEAR]? I mean this is a very, very simple question one should understand. Because of your naiveness, because of your obstinacy, you have got into a wrong track. Moreover, I would say one thing as a Mother that I have seen when people become frank [UNCLEAR] if he can get this realization, if he can get there, what is our Spirit is, where it resides and which is the source of joy, knowledge and complete awareness. The awareness [UNCLEAR] feel them in the hand and not only that but if you try to find out about yourself, you will be able to find out which one is burning, which one is numb which one is giving cool breeze. And that’s how you will be able to find out because now you are enlightened, because your Spirit is radiating through you, because it is coming through unconscious mind. You can feel it within, on your fingers, what is wrong with you, where it is wrong, what are the centers? Now I am here just to decode it. [UNCLEAR] of the present [UNCLEAR] future or you think of the past in between is the present where this Kundalini takes you and connects you with the [AUDIO CUTS] Like you can give realization to others, you can give them realization. Not only that but you can also cure other people. You can cure other people, you can give these vibrations, these radiations to flowers, you can give them to the Mother Earth. You can give it to the, say, you give it to the wheat field. The wheat yield would be at least twice what it is. The taste of the wheat would be different; it would be such a different thing. It is being now experimented in India very much, in a Agricultural University called as Rahuri University and they have were amazed, how even the cows – Indian cows, started giving milk double the amount they were giving and better the milk and a tastier milk. So, for the first time, we have been taking from this nature such a lot, we have been using such a lot from the nature, and we start giving back to the nature. First time, a human being becomes capable of giving to the nature. It is a fantastic thing once it happens it is so tremendous. You can see, that supposing you have a very beautiful television and it is brought to your house and see it has a remote control and suddenly you find, you open it and you are amazed that how many [UNCLEAR] and have started working and with this remote control you are changing all the stations and you are getting all beautiful pictures one after another, so clear cut, as if it is happening before you. In the same way, when your machinery starts working, you are amazed at your own beauty, at your own glory, at your own strength and power. With this realization, of course, as I told you, all the problems – physical, mental, emotional have to go out, no doubt about it. But the greatest thing that you achieve is your fulfillment. All [UNCLEAR] one can see the change in another person so clearly. I had a disciple who’s written a book on Me. When he came from America I was, I mean, I was thinking he’s just going to land up in a lunatic asylum because he was so over read and was such a nitwit, I mean he could not concentrate on Me. And when he came to [UNCLEAR] what I’m going to do with this mess. But he got his realization, he got his realization [UNCLEAR]. Respectable boy because now he is he with the Foreign Service and all that. Apart from that his sister said, “Who has touched you? What a miracle! I can’t believe.” [UNCLEAR] Now the problem is these people who get realization [UNCLEAR]. The reason is, the Kundalini just rises because She has been waiting and waiting and waiting. [UNCLEAR] All this happen to these people who were seeking but some of them did lose it. Today only we had somebody and he told Me, “Mother, I have lost my vibrations.” Now he has been to some wrong type of a person. So, all these mistakes that we have committed as well as our health is concerned, our habits are concerned, are inside us. They are also there. Now somebody has lost his father, say, very suddenly. He has a shock and that shock is within you. It is absorbed but the system has not absorbed it, is the center that has absorbed it and you, that insecurity within you of losing your father or mother or somebody dear one is within you. You have felt it too much but you have not been able to express it or to say about it and that-that wound is still within you. So, this Kundalini comes back from there and tries to supply those parts of wounds because She is your Mother and you are the only child She has. She has been having for all these years, She is your Mother and the Mother who loves you. So she goes back to all these places, to all these ditches, to all those wounds and looks after them, nourishes them, puts them right. So some of the people though they lose the vibrations, again come back. So, you don’t have to worry. One thing you don’t have to worry after that – once you have touched your realization, it is there. Today, we had another gentleman who got his realization in Bombay and I met him here. He said, “Mother, I don’t know, what to do? I went to some another man I got stuck up. This happened, that happened. Have I lost my realization?” I said, “No, you haven’t. Put your hands towards Me.” And he started getting the vibrations again. But I said, “Whatever mistakes you have done, have to be corrected.” And they, you start correcting it yourself. I don’t have to tell you because you get separated from yourself. You start seeing within yourself like the same Gregoire, who was, who written this book came and told Me, “Mother, I think, I can see my colossal ego. Now tell me was I Napoleon in my last life? If I was, don’t tell me, I will jump in the sea.” I said, “You were not, what makes you think that way?” He said, “Because I can also draw very well and I am very egoistical. I have not seen anybody so full of ego, as I am. I see it like a colossal balloon in my head.” But now he is all right. Like that you start seeing those things and you start feeling them and you know how to get rid of them. It is simpler, if supposing there is a spot on My body or spot on My sari I cannot see, but if I take it out, I can see it and then I do not feel identified with it. I would like to wash it. In the same way, you get separated from yourself, you start seeing yourself and you correct yourself automatically. There is a method about it, there’s a technique, is very simple and you have to be simple people, to get to Sahajayoga. Sahajayoga is not meant for any extremist type of people, those who are very-very rich people or who are riding a very high horse or also not meant for people who are just a very [UNCLEAR] four years and then once they were established now it’s becoming very easy. In your Brighton only, I don’t know, I have not yet counted but there are quite a number of people who have got realization. Now I have come all the way and I want that you also get your realization and then give others also this realization because when you will have this light, when you start enjoying it, you would like to give it to others. Now you cannot judge this through your thinking or through your rationality but you can go to a point and see for yourself that if I am talking of something that is beyond any limitations of the unlimited then with this limited rationality you cannot reach there. Like a space craft has to enter into the space you have to enter into the realm of thoughtless awareness where you become one with the present [UNCLEAR] Such a beautiful world of beautiful people. Moreover, I think it is more the responsibility of you, young people who are tomorrows’ citizens, who are going to tomorrows’ people of affairs, those who are going to become the Prime Ministers and the Ministers and everything of this country and every country. It is the responsibility of you, to seek it and find it and become that and understand that God is a great being and we are all part and parcel of that being. You have to just get connected with Him and know that we also become that great, a drop falling into the ocean, that’s what it has to happen to you. And then you will know that you become one with the desires of that ocean and just dance with the waves of that great ocean of love and compassion. May God bless you. I do not want to talk too much and tomorrow I think, I’ll be able to do some more justice because tomorrow morning-evening I would like to meet you. I hope it is arranged by these people where I can talk to you personally, also your personal problems and all that and tomorrow evening I will give you more elaborately all about these chakras and everything I will tell you. Nothing is going to be kept secret from you, but to bear truth you have to come up a little that also very-very sometimes difficult for people to bear truth. They could not bear the truth that Christ was the Son of God so they crucified Him. Imagine what [UNCLEAR] hundred times He was but they could not bear the truth. That’s what is the weakness of human beings is that they cannot bear the truth. But that’s why you should not go to falsehood, doesn’t matter, gradually you will grow your strength and you will be able to bear the truth. Not only that but a day will come when you will be the torchbearers of truth. It is you people who are going to change this Universe into a beautiful heaven. It is your own ambition in life. Many of you have this ambition but for that one should know that you have to come up to that. You have to get enlightenment fully and understand your Self, understand your powers, understand what you are capable of and what you have to do. Everything must be exposed to you. Unless and until you are enlightened, I cannot tell you much more about it. So, I hope today it will work out and you will get your enlightenment and then tomorrow we will talk about it more and you settle down with it, with all the seriousness. This is the greatest thing that you have to achieve but you have to have that seriousness. Frivolous people are useless for Sahajayoga. People who are egoistical are also difficult. So, try to understand, it is neither the ego, nor the fear, is going to give you. It is just standing where you are, you are going to get it because you have the right. Only have the dignity to receive it. That’s all and you’ll get it. May God bless you.	null	null	null	Seeking the Spirit, Public Program. Brighton (UK), 30 March 1980. …again, to Brighton. I always had a feeling there are lots of great souls in this place who are sincerely seeking. And long time back I had wished that sometime I may be able to come to this place to meet them, and I’m so happy to be here. We have heard and learnt and read that we are not this body, that we are not this mind, we are not this ego or superego but transcending all this is the Spirit, is the Atma, which human beings have to seek. But even when you have not read these things, some of you when you are born, you start feeling that there is something that we have to seek. You are not satisfied with what you have. You have a feeling of inadequacy, that you are not yet fulfilled, that you have not found your meaning. There is something much more one has to get. This feeling is very strong and today it is much stronger than it was ever before. What are we seeking? We do not know. Actually, we have no idea what are we seeking as such, because that’s an unknown thing, that is unknown to us. But we have a feeling, one definite feeling, that whatever we have is not complete, is not satisfy. It is not full with joy and bliss. We start wondering about our lives that why are we on this Earth? Why God has created us, if He exists anywhere? Or why should we have a life just like, like an animal’s life – like coming on this Earth, eating your food and having some children and then die. That you are aware, is itself is a big blessing. But why do you feel like that? What is the reason? Even some children feel it. Even people who are not at all introduced to any religious ideas feel it. From where does this feeling comes within us that we have to seek something much more within us, something much deeper within us. And we feel earnestly from within a revolt with whatever we have and we want to do something by which we reach that point. This feeling comes to us from our unconscious, from our mind, which is not in our consciousness. But our Spirit is conscious of us. Our unconscious is conscious of us but you are not, you are not conscious of the Spirit. For example, if you are, say, going by a train and you are watching a beautiful scene, you are conscious of the whole scene that is before you. But the scene is not conscious of you. The scene cannot see or understand or is aware that there is somebody who is conscious of our beauty. In the same way this Spirit that exist within us in our heart, is conscious of us, it is guiding us, it is making us feel that there’s something lacking in us. But we are not conscious of that, we are just conscious of the lacking. And this seeking is the most important thing for human beings. Without the seeking human beings have no meaning for their existence. Say, in the animal stage, you are seeking food. When you evolve out of such seekings, even in human stage, you are seeking, say, power through politics or through conquering other countries. You are seeking also money, possessions, material things by which you think you will feel the fulfillment. But the basics of economics is that no want is satiable in general. In the sense one want may be satiable but in general the want itself is never satiable and this want is material want. So, material want is not satiable, your intellectual want is not satiable, your physical want is not satiable. Then which is the want that is satiable? – is the spiritual want. And I must say there are so many beautiful people in this world, these days. So many beautiful people those who have found out that these adventures and these enterprises have led people into terrible mess and they have even lost their human feelings. They are not even human beings if you start judging them properly. You may feel that these people are not human beings. The way they are treating each other, the way they are manifesting their own desires to gain power, money or other things. It is so ridiculous and so absurd that it doesn’t behoove a human being to be like that. This realization is also very clear-cut amongst so many people who are born very beautifully. Who hate aggression, who do not like all the ugliness of life and they feel there should be something that should happen to us so that we all can face that beauty. All this is already there, within us, if you read the literature, if you read these days many books and all that. I’m enthralled sometimes to read that how it’s ready just now. Now what is it within us? If I tell you this, you need not believe Me. No! Not at all! I do not want any blind faith because your eyes are to be open more than what they are today. So, if you become blind, what’s the use? You have to keep yourself open. Whatever I am saying just you have to see if it works, if it is so or not. It’s just a hypothesis as any scientist would put before you. But the hypothesis must be seen from a very-very open angle and the hypothesis is this that within us resides that beautiful thing which you are seeking is the Spirit in our heart. Now which is shown here in the picture. This is little bit bigger than actually what it is. You can see the whole figure itself is big. In this you see, find that in the triangular area which is the triangular bone in our body, which is called as sacrum. Now see, even the Greece, in the unconscious, they gave this bone the name of sacrum. Now in Greek language, sacrum means sacred. And when the body burns completely this bone doesn’t burn. It never burns and this is the bone, sacrum bone, is the bone in which there is a Power, which is our germinating Power. Is the Power, which connects us with the Divine. This is again a hypothesis. Keep yourself open to this. Now this Power resides there and they say that it is in a sleeping state, it is not yet awakened. And all these centers that are shown 1,2,3,4,5,6 and the 7, all of them are also placed within us, in our spinal cord partly and in our brain partly. These centers manifest outside the gross plexuses which we know them, we see them, we see them working also, which are known to our senses. But the subtle centers, which are manifesting those gross plexuses, we cannot see them, we cannot feel them, neither we can see them manifesting. These centers are within us, these subtle centers. The evolution within us has placed it there. It exists, they are there. Now when will you see them manifesting? There is a time when you can, with your own eyes, see them manifesting. If you see them manifesting then you have to believe that there is such an such Power existing, something existing, in the triangular bone which is a sacrum. Because what we believe into, what we see, what we feel, whichever is felt through our senses is acceptable to us. In the same way, in our seeking we should know that what we can see and feel, if that thing happens then only, we can accept it as the truth otherwise we should not. Supposing I give you big idea about something, why should you believe? Because whatever happens should manifest within you. It should be expressed to you in such a manner that you should be able to feel it and understand it. It’s not brain washing. Why should we accept any brain washing in a free country? And this is what if you understand that you have to be fully independent and fully free to see this manifesting. Because what you have to achieve is your full freedom. We are not free at all, at this moment because we are ignorant. Say this room is completely dark, I can’t see anything in this room. I am not free to walk. If I walk, I tumble down because I cannot see things. If it is enlightened and if there is complete light, I have the full freedom to move whatever way I like. So, in these seven centers we have got the manifestation of our parasympathetic nervous system which is in the gross, doctors understand a little bit but not much, means the system by which we get our refueling, by which we get our balancing, by which we get our coordination. For example, now as we were coming to Brighton, if our petrol was over, we had to go to some place where we could get our fuel. But supposing there was no such place in between, we would have been stuck up. In the same way God has made those refueling stations within us, which give us energy to replace the energy that we are using every time through our sympathetic nervous system. Now the sympathetic nervous system is working within us all the time. For example, if you want to run, you can run very fast but your heart will start breathing very fast, this is sympathetic. In emergency you use your sympathetic nervous system but automatically it goes back and it comes to a normal position, now this is para-sympathetic. You can make it work fast but you cannot make it slow. Where you fail to do anything, parasympathetic comes to your help and these are the centers, which supply the parasympathetic energy to us, when we are existing without our realization. But without our realization we just exist. At the slightest point, we get upset. We get into tensions because our energies are over. We get tired; we don’t know what to do? Here there is a seeking, a tremendous seeking coming, “We must have something, we must have something” and there it is you get so tired and fagged out, you don’t know how to face it. There is such a gap. And this gap is to be covered. How do you cover this gap?\\\16;15/// Actually, if you think about yourself, how did you get this nose and how did you get these eyes? You’ll be amazed; you just got it for nothing. You did nothing about it, you just got them. When you were born, you had them there. All stuck very nicely, breathing very nicely and talking very nicely and seeing very nicely. All those things were just there and they are your own. I mean you always say, “My eyes are paining.” These are your eyes. They are very, your very own; these are your own eyes. You have not paid for it. You have done nothing about them but they are your own. Now who owns those eyes, which part of you owns them, eyes? This is the point we have to find out because we have not yet found out the owner of this being, that’s why we are worried. We have to find out that owner because that owner is you. That means you have not found out yourself and that’s why you are worried. You are lost. You don’t know if you are this body; you don’t know if you are this mind or you are this ego. You don’t know really what you are. And because you are lost like a child who gets lost, you want to know who are you and that is the finding one has to do. But for that also as you have got yourself, your being – free, you cannot do anything. It is absolutely free, is the grace of the nature, which has given you – your nose, eyes everything, your breathing everything because it is so important, it is so vital that nobody can pay for it. Supposing you have to pay for your breathing, what will happen? Only the rich may breathe for a while and then they’ll also collapse? Supposing you have to pay for your heart beating, what will happen? So, you cannot pay for it, you cannot work for it. It is spontaneous it is Sahaja. “Saha” means with, “ja” means born. It is born with you. The way your nose, your eyes, your lips everything is born with you, in the same way this yoga, this right – to be one with that Unconscious, that Divine Power, that All Pervading Power, is born with you. It is within you; it is in your right to get it. You have to get it, it is your own. As you have a right to have the eyes and nose and everything this is also your human right that you should get this yoga. So, when it is your right, you don’t pay for it, you don’t pay for your dome, do you? In the same way you do not pay for your Kundalini awakening. The first thing one must understand you cannot pay for it; you cannot work for it. You may destroy it; you may destroy that yoga. For example, supposing a person has led a life which is not congenial to the Kundalini awakening or may have led a life which we can say – a man who has broken his, say, spinal cord. Then it is rather difficult, it will take time. One has to put the spinal cord in proper shape and then you can give realization to such a person. But you cannot say that every person also will get his realization because there are certain things like a person from lunatic asylum comes here and he says, “Give me realization immediately”, it is not possible. Is given to people who deserve it. Now people may say that, “Mother, maybe I am not deserving.” It is not for you to judge. Thousands get their realization, no problem but as I said supposing Hitler comes and says, “Give me realization.” He stands here; whatever he may try he cannot get it. He cannot be forgiven by God. He cannot be forgiven; he has to go to hell. That’s what it is meant for him. So, one must understand [UNCLEAR] that and for that He has created this instrument, which triggers, which triggers your awareness to that point where you start understanding, where you start becoming aware of it. It’s an actualization. It is not just talking, brainwashing or anything. It has to happen within you. If it does not happen, does not happen, you cannot give false certificate. It has to happen within you because it is reality and truth and you cannot play about with the truth. You cannot say, “No, no, no, it is white.” If it is white – it is white, if it is not – it is not. So, it should happen to all of you and it would happen also but truth must be accepted as it is, you cannot force on it. Like somebody came to Me and said that, “Mother, I have done so much, I have read so much, I have done this, I have done that. I have been to Himalayas, I’ve taken bath in the Ganges, I have been, all sorts of things I have done”, but he doesn’t get realization. I said, “Now you are not getting it”. It’s like sprouting the seed. You cannot force a seed to be sprouted. It will sprout spontaneously, no doubt, but if it is capable of sprouting then only, it sprouts. But as I have told you that thousands of people have got it and you should also be. Now for this first of all you must know that I am not a guru that way, as you think of a guru, who dictates and does that because I cannot dictate. At the most, I can tell you what’s the matter but I cannot dictate you. Say, for example, one light, which is not enlightened can enlighten another light but the light which is enlightened cannot dictate the another light, it cannot. It can only guide and tell that this would be better if you come this way, may be, that I may be able to enlighten you better. If you have come the another end, I cannot catch hold of your wick. So, the one light can tell the another light this much. So, one should not feel that there is any obligation. I mean, it is obligatory for Me to give you realization. I cannot help it because it is too much for Me, I must distribute. I mean, I should say it is the funny situation of paradox that a person who has all the Powers is like a capitalist and such a person must distribute it because he is a, he is a communist. You cannot help but to distribute it. It’s a, it’s a the thing that you only enjoy when you distribute it otherwise you cannot enjoy. Now can you think of such a situation? So, I have to come to Brighton, I have to go to America I may have to go to any village, any place, just to distribute. I have to go on distributing. This is My own life, My own nature. I have to do it. So, there is no obligation on Me, on the contrary it’s obligation on you. But on the contrary, it’s the obligation on Me because if you do not take it, I’ll have to find some other people to get it. It has to go on and on and on. Perhaps I don’t know, people have lost the value of love. They don’t know what love is these days, in modern times, because so many artificial things have been put in love. But actually, love is something, which cannot enjoy itself unless until it gives. Then think of Divine Love, unless and until it gives you, it is not going to be satisfied. If you are seeking something for your own satisfaction you are most welcome, unless [UNCLEAR] you want to [UNCLEAR]. Now in that why should anybody feel that why [UNCLEAR] you? Same question could have been asked. Now God cannot ask everybody to do it. Supposing He has asked Me to do it, so what’s the matter about it? I mean Iam willing to do it freely with all My patience, with all My love, with all My complete [UNCLEAR] record or a communication or you can say, give and take business like this [UNCLEAR]. This is just the enjoyment between the two parties. It is no question of obligation, it’s no question of any ego coming in between [UNCLEAR] amount of happiness one can get [UNCLEAR] enjoys is the point. If you could have that attitude I think it would help much better. For example, we have [UNCLEAR] newspaper and they came and they told Me that Mother [UNCLEAR] so they said, “There are so many gurus who have come here and have cheated us and this and that”. I said, “All right, they have cheated you so I’m here to protect you.” “And they have misled us”. I said, “All right, I am here to accept all the things that they have done which is wrong, and to correct and to tell you what they have done.” But I said, “You were also very naive to go to them. You were also very wrong to jump into that. You were really attracted by their circus. You were attracted by their artificial methods. You were attracted by their maneuvering because they used public relations. They used all your advertising. They used all your medias to impress you and that’s how you went to them. You were naive about it. You must know that if it is from God it has to be extremely simple and that you cannot pay for it. Apart from payment you cannot put in effort for it. If it is the grace, it has to come to you free because it is your right to get that grace. You are made like this”. Supposing somebody who has made this instrument with all care for ages together from amoeba to this stage up to this point. Now it is the time [UNCLEAR] to be connected to the mains. It is something like that. It is God Himself wants you to have it and that’s how you are going to get it. And why should pay for God? He doesn’t have to build houses or anything. Why should [UNCLEAR]? I mean this is a very, very simple question one should understand. Because of your naiveness, because of your obstinacy, you have got into a wrong track. Moreover, I would say one thing as a Mother that I have seen when people become frank [UNCLEAR] if he can get this realization, if he can get there, what is our Spirit is, where it resides and which is the source of joy, knowledge and complete awareness. The awareness [UNCLEAR] feel them in the hand and not only that but if you try to find out about yourself, you will be able to find out which one is burning, which one is numb which one is giving cool breeze. And that’s how you will be able to find out because now you are enlightened, because your Spirit is radiating through you, because it is coming through unconscious mind. You can feel it within, on your fingers, what is wrong with you, where it is wrong, what are the centers? Now I am here just to decode it. [UNCLEAR] of the present [UNCLEAR] future or you think of the past in between is the present where this Kundalini takes you and connects you with the [AUDIO CUTS] Like you can give realization to others, you can give them realization. Not only that but you can also cure other people. You can cure other people, you can give these vibrations, these radiations to flowers, you can give them to the Mother Earth. You can give it to the, say, you give it to the wheat field. The wheat yield would be at least twice what it is. The taste of the wheat would be different; it would be such a different thing. It is being now experimented in India very much, in a Agricultural University called as Rahuri University and they have were amazed, how even the cows – Indian cows, started giving milk double the amount they were giving and better the milk and a tastier milk. So, for the first time, we have been taking from this nature such a lot, we have been using such a lot from the nature, and we start giving back to the nature. First time, a human being becomes capable of giving to the nature. It is a fantastic thing once it happens it is so tremendous. You can see, that supposing you have a very beautiful television and it is brought to your house and see it has a remote control and suddenly you find, you open it and you are amazed that how many [UNCLEAR] and have started working and with this remote control you are changing all the stations and you are getting all beautiful pictures one after another, so clear cut, as if it is happening before you. In the same way, when your machinery starts working, you are amazed at your own beauty, at your own glory, at your own strength and power. With this realization, of course, as I told you, all the problems – physical, mental, emotional have to go out, no doubt about it. But the greatest thing that you achieve is your fulfillment. All [UNCLEAR] one can see the change in another person so clearly. I had a disciple who’s written a book on Me. When he came from America I was, I mean, I was thinking he’s just going to land up in a lunatic asylum because he was so over read and was such a nitwit, I mean he could not concentrate on Me. And when he came to [UNCLEAR] what I’m going to do with this mess. But he got his realization, he got his realization [UNCLEAR]. Respectable boy because now he is he with the Foreign Service and all that. Apart from that his sister said, “Who has touched you? What a miracle! I can’t believe.” [UNCLEAR] Now the problem is these people who get realization [UNCLEAR]. The reason is, the Kundalini just rises because She has been waiting and waiting and waiting. [UNCLEAR] All this happen to these people who were seeking but some of them did lose it. Today only we had somebody and he told Me, “Mother, I have lost my vibrations.” Now he has been to some wrong type of a person. So, all these mistakes that we have committed as well as our health is concerned, our habits are concerned, are inside us. They are also there. Now somebody has lost his father, say, very suddenly. He has a shock and that shock is within you. It is absorbed but the system has not absorbed it, is the center that has absorbed it and you, that insecurity within you of losing your father or mother or somebody dear one is within you. You have felt it too much but you have not been able to express it or to say about it and that-that wound is still within you. So, this Kundalini comes back from there and tries to supply those parts of wounds because She is your Mother and you are the only child She has. She has been having for all these years, She is your Mother and the Mother who loves you. So she goes back to all these places, to all these ditches, to all those wounds and looks after them, nourishes them, puts them right. So some of the people though they lose the vibrations, again come back. So, you don’t have to worry. One thing you don’t have to worry after that – once you have touched your realization, it is there. Today, we had another gentleman who got his realization in Bombay and I met him here. He said, “Mother, I don’t know, what to do? I went to some another man I got stuck up. This happened, that happened. Have I lost my realization?” I said, “No, you haven’t. Put your hands towards Me.” And he started getting the vibrations again. But I said, “Whatever mistakes you have done, have to be corrected.” And they, you start correcting it yourself. I don’t have to tell you because you get separated from yourself. You start seeing within yourself like the same Gregoire, who was, who written this book came and told Me, “Mother, I think, I can see my colossal ego. Now tell me was I Napoleon in my last life? If I was, don’t tell me, I will jump in the sea.” I said, “You were not, what makes you think that way?” He said, “Because I can also draw very well and I am very egoistical. I have not seen anybody so full of ego, as I am. I see it like a colossal balloon in my head.” But now he is all right. Like that you start seeing those things and you start feeling them and you know how to get rid of them. It is simpler, if supposing there is a spot on My body or spot on My sari I cannot see, but if I take it out, I can see it and then I do not feel identified with it. I would like to wash it. In the same way, you get separated from yourself, you start seeing yourself and you correct yourself automatically. There is a method about it, there’s a technique, is very simple and you have to be simple people, to get to Sahajayoga. Sahajayoga is not meant for any extremist type of people, those who are very-very rich people or who are riding a very high horse or also not meant for people who are just a very [UNCLEAR] four years and then once they were established now it’s becoming very easy. In your Brighton only, I don’t know, I have not yet counted but there are quite a number of people who have got realization. Now I have come all the way and I want that you also get your realization and then give others also this realization because when you will have this light, when you start enjoying it, you would like to give it to others. Now you cannot judge this through your thinking or through your rationality but you can go to a point and see for yourself that if I am talking of something that is beyond any limitations of the unlimited then with this limited rationality you cannot reach there. Like a space craft has to enter into the space you have to enter into the realm of thoughtless awareness where you become one with the present [UNCLEAR] Such a beautiful world of beautiful people. Moreover, I think it is more the responsibility of you, young people who are tomorrows’ citizens, who are going to tomorrows’ people of affairs, those who are going to become the Prime Ministers and the Ministers and everything of this country and every country. It is the responsibility of you, to seek it and find it and become that and understand that God is a great being and we are all part and parcel of that being. You have to just get connected with Him and know that we also become that great, a drop falling into the ocean, that’s what it has to happen to you. And then you will know that you become one with the desires of that ocean and just dance with the waves of that great ocean of love and compassion. May God bless you. I do not want to talk too much and tomorrow I think, I’ll be able to do some more justice because tomorrow morning-evening I would like to meet you. I hope it is arranged by these people where I can talk to you personally, also your personal problems and all that and tomorrow evening I will give you more elaborately all about these chakras and everything I will tell you. Nothing is going to be kept secret from you, but to bear truth you have to come up a little that also very-very sometimes difficult for people to bear truth. They could not bear the truth that Christ was the Son of God so they crucified Him. Imagine what [UNCLEAR] hundred times He was but they could not bear the truth. That’s what is the weakness of human beings is that they cannot bear the truth. But that’s why you should not go to falsehood, doesn’t matter, gradually you will grow your strength and you will be able to bear the truth. Not only that but a day will come when you will be the torchbearers of truth. It is you people who are going to change this Universe into a beautiful heaven. It is your own ambition in life. Many of you have this ambition but for that one should know that you have to come up to that. You have to get enlightenment fully and understand your Self, understand your powers, understand what you are capable of and what you have to do. Everything must be exposed to you. Unless and until you are enlightened, I cannot tell you much more about it. So, I hope today it will work out and you will get your enlightenment and then tomorrow we will talk about it more and you settle down with it, with all the seriousness. This is the greatest thing that you have to achieve but you have to have that seriousness. Frivolous people are useless for Sahajayoga. People who are egoistical are also difficult. So, try to understand, it is neither the ego, nor the fear, is going to give you. It is just standing where you are, you are going to get it because you have the right. Only have the dignity to receive it. That’s all and you’ll get it. May God bless you.
3/31/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6731	What is Seeking?	England	Brighton	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	63	What is Seeking? Brighton Pavilion, Brighton (UK), 31 March 1980. I told you yesterday how you feel your seeking, why you feel your seeking, what is in us that works out this seeking. And this yoga is spontaneous. There is no other way you can get your Realisation. Because if you have to germinate a seed it has to have germination! In the same way, if you are to be germinated into your new awareness, it has to be through your awakening of Kundalini, because that is what it is there for. If you have to plug in this one (microphone) to the mains, you have to use the chord, there’s no other way about it. As I told you yesterday that this beautiful instrument is made, all the effort has been put. You have passed through — how much, much we calculated for thirty-five crores? Yogi: Three hundred and fifty million. Shri Mataji: Three hundred and fifty-million types of lives. And now you have become a human being. So, after all, there must be some meaning to this beautiful human structure, this instrument [and] why it was created. There must be some reason for it. And, as you have got your human Realisation, as you have got your human body, if you have to get to a more evolved personality it has to be spontaneous, you cannot work it out. Should be a simple logic. You have done nothing to be a human being and you are not to do anything to be higher. But maybe you have harmed yourself a little bit, perhaps, by doing something wrong. And whatever wrong you have done to yourself also can be corrected if the seed has to germinate. You are made like that, God has made you specially for this purpose. He has made you from an amoeba, from a carbon atom. Whether you believe in Him or not doesn’t matter. But if you see yourself, whosoever achieved this human body and human mind must have been a fantastic artist. And it has been said that, if you had left it to the Law of Chance, you could not have even produced a small, little uni-cellular amoeba. So, in such a short time as that, if such a complex thing like Human Being is created, there is a General behind it. Whether you believe it or not, that’s not important, the thing is, it exists, and it works. Now within us we have this instrument placed. This very, very subtle instrument is placed with us. Now I will tell you about the Kundalini - how it works and what the different chakras are. These are all very subtle centres as I told you yesterday. We cannot see them with your naked eyes, but when the Kundalini starts rising, when it starts ascending, then you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini, and the pulsation at these chakras. Till it reaches here, you can feel the pulsation here and till it is pulsating you do not get your Realisation. Once the pulsation stops then you must know that it has ended into that All-pervading Divine power. When that happens then you start feeling that cool breeze in your hand. You start feeling a cool radiation passing through you. That is the radiation of the Holy Spirit within yourself. That is the radiation you are feeling from your Spirit that resides in your heart.You can also feel your centres on your fingers because now they are enlightened. Now all this, whatever I am telling you, you can feel and verify. The time has come for you to verify everything that I say. It has been said before, thousands of years back, that within us lies the Kundalini. Adi Shankaracharya, sixth century, he said it very, very clearly, openly, that there is this residual power which is awaiting in the triangular bone as you see there, in three and a half coils, which ultimately awakens and gives you your Realisation, your second birth. He had described it very clearly, all the other centres also. But even much before, much, much before that, thousands of years back, people have been working on the Kundalini awakening, but it was kept a secret. They started working on few people as we also, in our scientific research, first use it in a very guarded secret, try to find out the different ways and methods and then, when it becomes absolutely perfect, then we make it public and make it known to all of the people. Because unless and until any discovery is useful to the masses it has no meaning. Today the time has come for you to know all about it and that’s why now, here in Brighton, we are discussing it so openly and trying to understand it. Now here, as you have seen, in the triangular bone, is the Kundalini - three and a half coiled energy. This energy is pure energy of desire of God. It is His desire which is within you, lying dormant. His desire has been throughout in His whole Creation that He should create His own children who will understand Him [and] when they understand Him, to give them all His powers for them to manifest. For them to enter into His Kingdom and to reside in complete bliss and happiness. That He is the Collective Being, He is the macrocosm and you are the microcosm. That you are cells in the big body, and these cells are to be awakened and have to become one with the Whole, by which you get your understanding of the Collective Being. The Collective Being is conscious of you but you are not conscious of That. And that’s how the whole device was made within you — how you are going to get it and how you are going to achieve it. You can see there are three lines which are placed parallel to each other. The first blue line depicts the power to desire — is the emotional side it looks after. This is manifested outside as left sympathetic nervous system. Now the doctors do not know that the left and right sympathetic nervous systems are there for doing two different types of work. So the Left Side is the power by which you desire, is the energy by which you get yourself conditioned, by which you live in the past. This channel is called in the Sanskrit language as ‘Ida Nadi’. The Right Side channel which you see there, yellow coloured channel, is the power by which you create, by which you can go to future, you think of the future. This is the one by which you plan for the future. This is the one with which you do your physical things, which you want to do for future also. All sorts of future planning for your physical, mental and your financial, or any such lives, is done through this energy of yours, which is on the right hand side, which is called, this channel is called, as the Pingala Channel. Now the colours are of the left side is the deep blue colour, as you see there, actually amounting to black. And the one which is on the right hand side is the yellow colour. Now when these two energies start working within us, means one is of desiring another is of action. First we desire something and then we go into action. When these two energies start working we produce a bi-product in our head like the fumes in a factory. The fumes are called as ego and super-ego, as you see them crossed over. When you use the blue side, which is the desire, or iccha shakti as they call it, then you develop a super-ego and when you work on the right side, you develop the ego. To understand ego and super-ego in a very simple way, is this way, that, say when a child is nursed by the mother, he is in complete bliss and joy. So the mother changes the sides for the boy, the child, and he feels very much hurt. When he feels hurt his ego rises, he thinks, “Why should she do it?” you see, in a very subtle way, and the ego starts rising. This is the ego, which you see there, starts rising on the right hand side. I mean there is nothing wrong in having ego, you have to have it. It works out that way. As every factory has to have a chimney, you don’t have a chimney so it accumulates there in the head. On the left hand side, when the child wants something, or he’s told not to do this, the mother says, “Don't do like that!” So you are conditioned. By that conditioning your super-ego is developed. When your ego is hurt I would say, your ego develops. When your desire is hurt then your super-ego develops. Gradually we start identifying ourselves with our ego or super-ego depending on what sort of a personality you are. Some people think that, “I do this!” “I am this!” you see. Some of them are frightened, “No, it’s too aggressive.” But whatever it may be, either you have ego or super-ego. Both of them develop just like this as you see in the thing, and if one becomes more heavy then it pushes down the other one. If this becomes more heavy it pushes down this way. Now for Kundalini to pass in between you have to have a space like that. If a person is of an imbalanced personality, then Kundalini takes time to rise, She takes time. Now you can see the centre below the Kundalini, which is a very, very important centre, we must know, about which I have to tell you, in short. This is the centre which is lying below the Kundalini. It’s not above. That means when the Kundalini pierces through other centres it is not pierced through. But why is he there? Why is it there? It is there to give information to the Kundalini. It is the instrument which receives all the information as to what you are doing, what are you up to, what are your desires, what you are doing, what sort of people you are meeting, where you are going, what mistakes you are committing, what good things you are committing. Everything is recorded in that Kundalini, not only of this lifetime, but of many lives. Its collection of all that you have had with you is inside the Kundalini, recorded. Kundalini knows what you have been. So this little thing that you see there is the centre which lies very near the prostate gland and is the one who generates innocence within us. If you are innocent, you are like a child, your Kundalini shoots off just like that, no problem! But if you are complicated then it takes time because the gentleman sitting there on that centre, informs the Kundalini that, “No, still he has to take time, he’s not all right, there’s something wrong with him.” That’s why this innocence is to be preserved and those who have not been able to preserve their innocence find it rather difficult. But, after Realisation, you’ll be surprised, those who have lost their innocence get it back. That’s the only way you can get back your innocence. It’s most surprising that after Realisation you get the same innocence that you had before, and you start enjoying that innocence within yourself. So this is the centre of innocence within us. Now we have innocence, but who can tell? Which doctor can say, or psychologist can say where is this innocence that is coming to us? It exists in that part. Now, we’ll take the third centre, which is very important, within us, is called as the Nabhi Chakra, which is the navel point, about the navel point. You cannot definitely say where anybody’s chakras lie because that’s not a definite thing, it’s an energy which moves up and down a little bit. But about at the back of the navel point. And it manifests outside, what we call the solar plexus, in the gross. This centre, the centre that is in the Nabhi, is the navel, is responsible for all our seeking. We started when we were just amoebas you can call. That time our seeking was only for food. Then it grew up within us as we grew up. At human level we have seeking for food, of course, we have got seeking for possessions, money, we have got seeking for power, political or any way, and also we have got seeking for God. This starts manifesting in a human being alone. This seeking of God starts when a person starts realising, or seeing, that there must be something beyond, there must be something which is fulfilling, something that is really satisfying. And he starts finding that absolute point, from where there is no need to return, where there is no disgust, where there is no frustration, disappointment. And such a point resides within us in our heart as the Spirit. We call it Atma in Sanskrit language. This Spirit in the heart is the witness: which witnesses us, which looks after us. But we are not we are not conscious of it. That means the Spirit is not flowing in our, is not radiating in our, central nervous system, that we are not conscious of it. We know there is someone, we know someone inside is there, we’re aware of it, in a way, but it is not flowing through our conscious mind, through our central nervous system. And this is what is the seeking for. We are seeking our Spirit. As I have told you yesterday, that you need not take me for granted. You should treat it as a hypothesis and sit here with an open mind, as a scientist would listen to something that is new. Now the central, centre point, which we call as Nabhi, is connected to another point down below, which you see there, is the centre of creativity. This is the centre that creates. And this has got six sub-plexuses, which are manifested outside and the plexus which is gross, is called as aortic plexus and it also has got six sub-plexuses. In the spiritual language we do not say that these are sub-plexuses but we say these are the six petals of the lotus of Swadishthana chakra. This works out the Right Side creative power, as you can see it, that through it is connected to the brain. Now the centre one is the one which is very important, which gives you the idea that there is a gap between you and the Absolute. And that gap is shown here as that green coloured Void, all that. Above that is the channel which is responsible for what we have achieved so far up to the human level. Whatever has come into our conscious mind, up to the human level, is expressed by that channel which is broken, and that gap we have to cover. Once we cover that gap we have finished with our evolution and we are there where we have to be. We have found out our use, we have found out our meaning. We become that. This higher one, the one that is within us, is manifested, and is called as parasympathetic nervous system in the medical terminology. And also the broken, these parts, though these centres are there and that is also a part of the parasympathetic. So we have these three energies shown here. The one which is for our desire, the another for our action, and the central one for our evolution. That means in our awareness we have reached a certain point. For example there is a big difference between animals and human beings in their awareness. We sometimes condemn ourselves very much and think animals are better than us, because they are not that much messed up maybe; or they may not be in such a problems as we are. Because we are free, we can think, we can understand, we are much more sensitive than they are. But if you ask any animal how does he feel about the smell of a part, he’s moving in the dirtiest lane, he doesn’t feel disturbed at all, but we are. He’s not bothered about what kind of colours and forms you have. He can live with any colour combination, with any kind of horrid aesthetic mistakes people must have made in that stable of his. He can live in there very happily, as long as he gets his food, he’s perfectly all right! So our evolution has brought us to a point where we have become much subtler, much more sensitive and understanding. And when we are more understanding and there is a gap, you become tensed up, “Oh, this must be covered!” You are also aware that your energy is exhausted. You are spending your energy through your sympathetic nervous system. Both of them they play, by your desiring and by your action. When it is exhausted it is like the petrol in a car, if it gets exhausted, you also get tensed up. In the same way, you get tensed up and you don’t understand what to do with your tension. Then to release it you take to tranquillisers, you take to other things, escapes in life. All these escapes work out because you are so tensed up. That tension comes to you because of the ego and super-ego in your head. It can be so strongly tensed up [that] you can get both the things overlapping each other and it can be extremely painful also for some people. And when such things happen you go for your relaxation, you try all these things. But still it’s not opened out as yet. It has to open out. This gap has to be covered. And this gap only can be covered through the Kundalini awakening. Now once people come to know that, “Yes, Kundalini awakening is the only way one has to do.” All right, so they bring out a circus for you. “We’ll do the Kundalini awakening for you!” “We’ll give you Self-realisation, we’ll give you this, we’ll give you that.” They promise you things. But it is the happening that is important. This they do for making money maybe, because they want to have power, because they are sadistic, maybe they are satanic, because they want that you should not get your Realisation, that they want to kill all your chances of Realisation. I don’t know what their purpose is. But you have got this Kundalini within you, which must be awakened, and it can be awakened in thousands of people. I have done that. You can do it. There is one gentleman who has given Realisation to ten thousand people! Who is just very young, and he has been moving from villages to villages. But you know as villagers are very simple people and they cannot be enticed by any such things which we call as elaborate circusing (sic) about religion. They know what it is. They are too simple to believe all this nonsense of complication. So they know who is real and who is not. Their sensitivity is very great because they live with the nature. And they can make out a person who is real and who is unreal. This third centre that you see here, or we can say the fourth centre, is the centre of heart. This centre of heart is the centre that is responsible for giving you security, is the centre of the Mother. This gives you the sense of security. When you feel insecure you must have seen that you start breathing very fast, the breathing starts. When you are a child till the age of twelve years, all the anti-bodies are built-in, in the sternum bone, which is here — you know the sternum bone? Which is here — and these anti-bodies are spread out throughout, in the body, to fight any invasion or attack on the personality. These anti-bodies are actually as we would say in Sahaj Yoga terminology, are the armies of the Mother. They are built up there, and this is the centre of the Mother of the Universe. Now the Deities we have on these centres also I will tell you, one by one. Here is the another centre which is called as the Vishuddhi Chakra: is very important. At this point man has raised his head upward like that. He has raised his head with new aspirations, with new ideas. When he raised his head only, he started developing this ego and super-ego. When the head was down below, towards the Mother Earth, this could not be developed because the energy would pass into the Mother Earth. But when you raised your head, like this, then the ego and super-ego started developing very fast, by which you developed your own personality. The meeting of ego and super-ego cuts you out from the All-pervading Power. When you are a child, if you remember, you had a very soft bone in the fontanelle bone area, and suddenly it becomes thick and thick and thick; ultimately it becomes thick like a stone in some people. Now this is the closing of the door to the All-pervading Power. Why it is done, why are you closed away from that: because you are given your own freedom, your own individuality. You become Mr. X, you become Mr. Y, you become Mr. Z, because you find out what is right and what is wrong through your own experimentation. You become independent. Supposing I am making this instrument (microphone): first I’ll have to test this separately, then I’ll put it here, isn’t it? In the same way you are separated. And you start experimenting with good and bad. You start understanding what is good and what is bad. Once you start discovering it, you start taking to the right path. But, as you have seen, human beings have not been able to use their freedom properly. Their sense of freedom has been very much changed. And this changed attitude, or this changed behaviour towards freedom, is also due to freedom itself, because you are free to choose whether you want good or bad. And when this happens to you, that you become independent and you start choosing wrong things, then this becomes even stronger and stronger and stronger. So, now you have seen the centres up to this point (Agnya). This is the centre where, in the centre of the brain, is the centre of Christ. Is the centre where our pineal body and our pituitary body, both are placed in the optic chiasma, it is placed in such a manner — it is very subtle — that it controls your ego and super-ego, both. And this centre is called as Agnya chakra. And it has only two petals by which you control your ego and super-ego. On top of that, the centre you see is the Sahasrar, is the last centre, is of thousand petals and is called as Sahasrar, meaning, flow of the seven waterfalls, you can put it like that, not seven [but] thousand. Thousand is ‘sahast’ and ‘Sahasrar’ means: You can say, one thousand, the flow of one thousand, the flow of one thousand. These are one thousand petals there. You can see them. Some people have seen them and you can also see them within yourself. They are placed in the brain and they cover the limbic area which is the vacant area there, is the limbic area which is very important nowadays because people have started experimenting with limbic area. When the Kundalini crosses that and pierces this portion, this is the baptism. Then you find this place becomes soft, and suddenly you find the flow of Kundalini, the flow of the Grace, coming into you, when she pierces into the subtle thing. Now there is this energy around us, it exists, but we have to feel it. We have not yet felt it that’s why we are lost, that’s why we are confused, we have problems. All our political problems are because we are dealing with something relative. Same with our economics, same with all our problems is that we are… (break in recording) Now you are connected to the Absolute you can ask any question to the Absolute and you get the answer on your fingers, when your fingers are enlightened. And that’s how you know that you are enlightened. Then you start feeling yourself, and you feel you have expanded very much, you have become alive to yourself and to others, because you can start feeling others also! Sitting down here you can tell what’s happening in America to a particular person if you just put your attention to it. Because now your attention is enlightened and that’s how you feel it. The problem is it is too fantastic to believe, really it is. But supposing I make this place extremely fantastic, and there is darkness, you can’t see anything, and I tell you, “Now it's a fantastic place, you just come and see for yourself how things start working there. Every instrument is so nicely placed. It starts working. And you’ll get great results. And you just come in and you switch on the light.” It works! Because it is built-in! And the whole fantastic thing starts coming in to you and you start seeing it. Because it is inside it, only the light has to come, and once the light comes in you start seeing it. So why should you blame anyone for that or why should you be angry? After all it is all done for your joy and happiness. It’s just a surprise I should say, like a Father Christmas coming in and delivering all the goods to you. It’s all done before. It’s all managed before. Like we can say, first time I saw a television, for example, a colour television. And suddenly my husband, when he brought it to me he said, “Oh, you are going to see something very fantastic.” I said, “What?” I had never seen it before. He said, “You can see the film show. You can see everybody moving in it!” I said, “Really? In the room?” he said, “Yes, you can.” “Well how can that be?” “You just wait and see! You just wait. A minute is needed.” And he prepared me very nicely to give me a big surprise. He said, “You can see people here, talking and everything.” And he just opened it, and to my amazement it was working. It was not connected to anything as such, except for the electricity, and the whole thing started working, and I could see everything happening as he had said. It was really fantastic, one could not believe it! You start feeling it, “Really, it is true or not?” First time I saw the telephone, in India, absolutely when I was very young, and I think, in our house it was remarkable that we got the phone, and were of the few, first people who had the telephone, very few people. And that was, when we got it you see. We just couldn't believe, “How can it be you can talk to someone on the phone like that? You can dial to someone and talk?” Immediately we knew one girl who had a telephone so we telephoned to her. She was not allowed to touch the phone and we telephoned to her. The father said, “What? You've got the telephone? Now we’ve had it! And now you are going to telephone to her!” She said, “I had told you once, if you remember, that there is an instrument like that on which you can speak. But you never believed me. Now see, there is a telephone, isn't it?” Then we had to believe it, because it was all done for us. It was just to be connected and we started seeing it. That is the main thing is, that it is all done. I have told you that three hundred and fifty-million lives you have passed through to get all this thing done and fixed into it; this is built-in. Now if it fantastic why not have it? We don’t have to pay for it. You cannot! What can you pay? Can you pay for three hundred and fifty-million times you have passed through various lives? Can you pay for that? Can you pay for that love which made you a human being? It is too fantastic the whole thing is. And now what can we pay for it? Only thing is to accept it and take it and enjoy it, that’s all. We can’t think, in modern times, that there could be someone who just invites you for nothing, gives you everything for nothing and enjoys only the giving part of it. We just can’t think of such a beautiful person. That’s why people are frightened. You invite them, they are frightened, “Why, what is it?” “Because I am dealing with some and something — must be that.” We never trust. It is true, because we have had very bad experiences. But we have [also] had people like Christ who gave his life. Today is very important — because we have started the week where he gave his life — to think of him. Will there be anyone like that who would sacrifice his life to say something that is the Truth? He gave his life for Truth. For what? Why did he? Because the giving has much more joy, much more bliss than anything else. If you reach that state of giving, you will also enjoy giving. That has to happen. We have to discover that beauty within us which enjoys giving, which enjoys generosity, which enjoys fearlessness, which enjoys all the virtues of the world that reside within us. We have to just go deep down into ourselves. And it’s all done for you, it’s all done. It is there. So I think we should go in for the experience, that’s the best. Because what’s the use of talking about it all the time. You see, the cake, if I have made it, better have it hot and enjoy it. So many of them have enjoyed, and I want all the new people should enjoy. Because as I told you yesterday, you cannot give me anything. I don’t need anything. I’ve not come here to do Sahaj Yoga. I’ve come in London because my husband got posted here and that’s how I am here. I should say it’s your own calling that I am here. So you are not to give anything to me, nothing is needed. Only thing is: accept it and just enjoy it. It’s a gift. It’s a gift that you deserve, it’s your own right. You are the son of God and you have to become that. May God bless you all. Let’s have the experience. Now, if you have any questions you can ask questions. No harm in asking questions. But I would say that first have the experience and then ask the question, would be a better idea. Now you put your hands just like this towards me. I would request you to clear out your forehead, is important for me, because, you see, sometimes there are problems on the forehead — mostly they are. So can you clear out your forehead for me? Just clear out. I mean, open it out. Remove your hair I mean, all the hair. Can you also remove your hair a little bit? Ya, it’s good. Just put your hands towards me like this. This cures your ailments, your physical ailments, it cures cancer, it cures many diseases. We have cured. Cancer can only be cured by this. There’s no other way out. But what’s the use of coming to me after you have got cancer or you have got some serious disease? Better get rid of it beforehand. It's working out. Now close your eyes all of you, just close your eyes. Can you remove your red scarf a little? Yes, will be a good idea. You see the Kundalini has to pierce through and I would like to see here also. First of all watch your mind: is there any thought coming into your mind. First of all watch your mind. Just ask your mind, “What are you thinking?” Don’t put your attention anywhere fixed, into concentrated form, but just leave it loose, absolutely loose. Do not concentrate anywhere. Now, just see if you are feeling the cool breeze in your fingers, because these fingers, as I told you, at the end of it, are the sympathetic nervous systems which get enlightened. So you just start feeling on the tip of your fingers, if you are feeling the cool breeze. If you cannot keep your attention steady you can put your attention to the top of your head where you have a soft bone in your childhood. Thik hai? (ok?) It’s all right I think, it’s working. Most of the chakras have cleared out. I think you are getting cool breeze. Now you can see, when you are getting cool breeze in your hand also there will be cool breeze from your head here, you can see it. Put your left hand on your head and see for yourself, if it is hot or cool. Could be cool, could be hot also. If it is cool it’s all right, it’s good. Got it? You got the cool breeze too? Not yet? In the head in the hand? Not yet? It will work out don’t you worry. Now those who haven’t got it please raise your hands. All right. If you don’t mind I’ll ask them to look after you and I’ll also come down to see them, all right? Please raise your hands those who haven’t got the cool breeze as yet. Just attend to them! Keep it like that so that somebody comes to you. Will you please? I think best is the, if people from Brighton do it, it’s better. You also should, also you should also you should all come and help. But what I’m saying [is] basically because they will know who they are, what is their name and all that. It would be better for Brighton people to work it out. And also others. Just see for yourself. And others should join them just to help them out, you see. What’s the problem, let’s see! Is also left to the right. Most of them need sort of a balance from left to the right. Raise it from left to the right, with your left hand towards me, you just raise it from left to the right. It will work out. John, you see, he’s also same thing is, left to the right, you see. Now this gentleman has got it? You’ve got the cool breeze? Good. You can join, you can join John and see what it is. Just now you can see the whole fantasy of it. Come along. What’s your name? Yogi: Ross. Shri Mataji: All right, you join John and let’s see. John? You can see yourself, your vibrations will know. Now come along! Call him! Those who got Realisation yesterday also must work it out for themselves. Come along! Just see. Is it cool breeze coming now? Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? You are not feeling in the hand? It’s coming out of your head all right. Are you feeling now? It’s Vishuddhi. He’s got a Vishuddhi, that’s why. You put your hand on his Vishuddhi. John? Come along you also work it out, all of you who have got Realisation. You’ve got the cool breeze? All right, what about you? He’s very good too! (Mother continues to get Sahaj Yogis to work on people in the audience, giving them instructions as to how they should. She asks individuals whether they can feel the cool breeze, and instructs others to continue working on them until they do, with several people working on each person....She then leaves stage to work on people Herself...)	null	null	null	What is Seeking? Brighton Pavilion, Brighton (UK), 31 March 1980. I told you yesterday how you feel your seeking, why you feel your seeking, what is in us that works out this seeking. And this yoga is spontaneous. There is no other way you can get your Realisation. Because if you have to germinate a seed it has to have germination! In the same way, if you are to be germinated into your new awareness, it has to be through your awakening of Kundalini, because that is what it is there for. If you have to plug in this one (microphone) to the mains, you have to use the chord, there’s no other way about it. As I told you yesterday that this beautiful instrument is made, all the effort has been put. You have passed through — how much, much we calculated for thirty-five crores? Yogi: Three hundred and fifty million. Shri Mataji: Three hundred and fifty-million types of lives. And now you have become a human being. So, after all, there must be some meaning to this beautiful human structure, this instrument [and] why it was created. There must be some reason for it. And, as you have got your human Realisation, as you have got your human body, if you have to get to a more evolved personality it has to be spontaneous, you cannot work it out. Should be a simple logic. You have done nothing to be a human being and you are not to do anything to be higher. But maybe you have harmed yourself a little bit, perhaps, by doing something wrong. And whatever wrong you have done to yourself also can be corrected if the seed has to germinate. You are made like that, God has made you specially for this purpose. He has made you from an amoeba, from a carbon atom. Whether you believe in Him or not doesn’t matter. But if you see yourself, whosoever achieved this human body and human mind must have been a fantastic artist. And it has been said that, if you had left it to the Law of Chance, you could not have even produced a small, little uni-cellular amoeba. So, in such a short time as that, if such a complex thing like Human Being is created, there is a General behind it. Whether you believe it or not, that’s not important, the thing is, it exists, and it works. Now within us we have this instrument placed. This very, very subtle instrument is placed with us. Now I will tell you about the Kundalini - how it works and what the different chakras are. These are all very subtle centres as I told you yesterday. We cannot see them with your naked eyes, but when the Kundalini starts rising, when it starts ascending, then you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini, and the pulsation at these chakras. Till it reaches here, you can feel the pulsation here and till it is pulsating you do not get your Realisation. Once the pulsation stops then you must know that it has ended into that All-pervading Divine power. When that happens then you start feeling that cool breeze in your hand. You start feeling a cool radiation passing through you. That is the radiation of the Holy Spirit within yourself. That is the radiation you are feeling from your Spirit that resides in your heart.You can also feel your centres on your fingers because now they are enlightened. Now all this, whatever I am telling you, you can feel and verify. The time has come for you to verify everything that I say. It has been said before, thousands of years back, that within us lies the Kundalini. Adi Shankaracharya, sixth century, he said it very, very clearly, openly, that there is this residual power which is awaiting in the triangular bone as you see there, in three and a half coils, which ultimately awakens and gives you your Realisation, your second birth. He had described it very clearly, all the other centres also. But even much before, much, much before that, thousands of years back, people have been working on the Kundalini awakening, but it was kept a secret. They started working on few people as we also, in our scientific research, first use it in a very guarded secret, try to find out the different ways and methods and then, when it becomes absolutely perfect, then we make it public and make it known to all of the people. Because unless and until any discovery is useful to the masses it has no meaning. Today the time has come for you to know all about it and that’s why now, here in Brighton, we are discussing it so openly and trying to understand it. Now here, as you have seen, in the triangular bone, is the Kundalini - three and a half coiled energy. This energy is pure energy of desire of God. It is His desire which is within you, lying dormant. His desire has been throughout in His whole Creation that He should create His own children who will understand Him [and] when they understand Him, to give them all His powers for them to manifest. For them to enter into His Kingdom and to reside in complete bliss and happiness. That He is the Collective Being, He is the macrocosm and you are the microcosm. That you are cells in the big body, and these cells are to be awakened and have to become one with the Whole, by which you get your understanding of the Collective Being. The Collective Being is conscious of you but you are not conscious of That. And that’s how the whole device was made within you — how you are going to get it and how you are going to achieve it. You can see there are three lines which are placed parallel to each other. The first blue line depicts the power to desire — is the emotional side it looks after. This is manifested outside as left sympathetic nervous system. Now the doctors do not know that the left and right sympathetic nervous systems are there for doing two different types of work. So the Left Side is the power by which you desire, is the energy by which you get yourself conditioned, by which you live in the past. This channel is called in the Sanskrit language as ‘Ida Nadi’. The Right Side channel which you see there, yellow coloured channel, is the power by which you create, by which you can go to future, you think of the future. This is the one by which you plan for the future. This is the one with which you do your physical things, which you want to do for future also. All sorts of future planning for your physical, mental and your financial, or any such lives, is done through this energy of yours, which is on the right hand side, which is called, this channel is called, as the Pingala Channel. Now the colours are of the left side is the deep blue colour, as you see there, actually amounting to black. And the one which is on the right hand side is the yellow colour. Now when these two energies start working within us, means one is of desiring another is of action. First we desire something and then we go into action. When these two energies start working we produce a bi-product in our head like the fumes in a factory. The fumes are called as ego and super-ego, as you see them crossed over. When you use the blue side, which is the desire, or iccha shakti as they call it, then you develop a super-ego and when you work on the right side, you develop the ego. To understand ego and super-ego in a very simple way, is this way, that, say when a child is nursed by the mother, he is in complete bliss and joy. So the mother changes the sides for the boy, the child, and he feels very much hurt. When he feels hurt his ego rises, he thinks, “Why should she do it?” you see, in a very subtle way, and the ego starts rising. This is the ego, which you see there, starts rising on the right hand side. I mean there is nothing wrong in having ego, you have to have it. It works out that way. As every factory has to have a chimney, you don’t have a chimney so it accumulates there in the head. On the left hand side, when the child wants something, or he’s told not to do this, the mother says, “Don't do like that!” So you are conditioned. By that conditioning your super-ego is developed. When your ego is hurt I would say, your ego develops. When your desire is hurt then your super-ego develops. Gradually we start identifying ourselves with our ego or super-ego depending on what sort of a personality you are. Some people think that, “I do this!” “I am this!” you see. Some of them are frightened, “No, it’s too aggressive.” But whatever it may be, either you have ego or super-ego. Both of them develop just like this as you see in the thing, and if one becomes more heavy then it pushes down the other one. If this becomes more heavy it pushes down this way. Now for Kundalini to pass in between you have to have a space like that. If a person is of an imbalanced personality, then Kundalini takes time to rise, She takes time. Now you can see the centre below the Kundalini, which is a very, very important centre, we must know, about which I have to tell you, in short. This is the centre which is lying below the Kundalini. It’s not above. That means when the Kundalini pierces through other centres it is not pierced through. But why is he there? Why is it there? It is there to give information to the Kundalini. It is the instrument which receives all the information as to what you are doing, what are you up to, what are your desires, what you are doing, what sort of people you are meeting, where you are going, what mistakes you are committing, what good things you are committing. Everything is recorded in that Kundalini, not only of this lifetime, but of many lives. Its collection of all that you have had with you is inside the Kundalini, recorded. Kundalini knows what you have been. So this little thing that you see there is the centre which lies very near the prostate gland and is the one who generates innocence within us. If you are innocent, you are like a child, your Kundalini shoots off just like that, no problem! But if you are complicated then it takes time because the gentleman sitting there on that centre, informs the Kundalini that, “No, still he has to take time, he’s not all right, there’s something wrong with him.” That’s why this innocence is to be preserved and those who have not been able to preserve their innocence find it rather difficult. But, after Realisation, you’ll be surprised, those who have lost their innocence get it back. That’s the only way you can get back your innocence. It’s most surprising that after Realisation you get the same innocence that you had before, and you start enjoying that innocence within yourself. So this is the centre of innocence within us. Now we have innocence, but who can tell? Which doctor can say, or psychologist can say where is this innocence that is coming to us? It exists in that part. Now, we’ll take the third centre, which is very important, within us, is called as the Nabhi Chakra, which is the navel point, about the navel point. You cannot definitely say where anybody’s chakras lie because that’s not a definite thing, it’s an energy which moves up and down a little bit. But about at the back of the navel point. And it manifests outside, what we call the solar plexus, in the gross. This centre, the centre that is in the Nabhi, is the navel, is responsible for all our seeking. We started when we were just amoebas you can call. That time our seeking was only for food. Then it grew up within us as we grew up. At human level we have seeking for food, of course, we have got seeking for possessions, money, we have got seeking for power, political or any way, and also we have got seeking for God. This starts manifesting in a human being alone. This seeking of God starts when a person starts realising, or seeing, that there must be something beyond, there must be something which is fulfilling, something that is really satisfying. And he starts finding that absolute point, from where there is no need to return, where there is no disgust, where there is no frustration, disappointment. And such a point resides within us in our heart as the Spirit. We call it Atma in Sanskrit language. This Spirit in the heart is the witness: which witnesses us, which looks after us. But we are not we are not conscious of it. That means the Spirit is not flowing in our, is not radiating in our, central nervous system, that we are not conscious of it. We know there is someone, we know someone inside is there, we’re aware of it, in a way, but it is not flowing through our conscious mind, through our central nervous system. And this is what is the seeking for. We are seeking our Spirit. As I have told you yesterday, that you need not take me for granted. You should treat it as a hypothesis and sit here with an open mind, as a scientist would listen to something that is new. Now the central, centre point, which we call as Nabhi, is connected to another point down below, which you see there, is the centre of creativity. This is the centre that creates. And this has got six sub-plexuses, which are manifested outside and the plexus which is gross, is called as aortic plexus and it also has got six sub-plexuses. In the spiritual language we do not say that these are sub-plexuses but we say these are the six petals of the lotus of Swadishthana chakra. This works out the Right Side creative power, as you can see it, that through it is connected to the brain. Now the centre one is the one which is very important, which gives you the idea that there is a gap between you and the Absolute. And that gap is shown here as that green coloured Void, all that. Above that is the channel which is responsible for what we have achieved so far up to the human level. Whatever has come into our conscious mind, up to the human level, is expressed by that channel which is broken, and that gap we have to cover. Once we cover that gap we have finished with our evolution and we are there where we have to be. We have found out our use, we have found out our meaning. We become that. This higher one, the one that is within us, is manifested, and is called as parasympathetic nervous system in the medical terminology. And also the broken, these parts, though these centres are there and that is also a part of the parasympathetic. So we have these three energies shown here. The one which is for our desire, the another for our action, and the central one for our evolution. That means in our awareness we have reached a certain point. For example there is a big difference between animals and human beings in their awareness. We sometimes condemn ourselves very much and think animals are better than us, because they are not that much messed up maybe; or they may not be in such a problems as we are. Because we are free, we can think, we can understand, we are much more sensitive than they are. But if you ask any animal how does he feel about the smell of a part, he’s moving in the dirtiest lane, he doesn’t feel disturbed at all, but we are. He’s not bothered about what kind of colours and forms you have. He can live with any colour combination, with any kind of horrid aesthetic mistakes people must have made in that stable of his. He can live in there very happily, as long as he gets his food, he’s perfectly all right! So our evolution has brought us to a point where we have become much subtler, much more sensitive and understanding. And when we are more understanding and there is a gap, you become tensed up, “Oh, this must be covered!” You are also aware that your energy is exhausted. You are spending your energy through your sympathetic nervous system. Both of them they play, by your desiring and by your action. When it is exhausted it is like the petrol in a car, if it gets exhausted, you also get tensed up. In the same way, you get tensed up and you don’t understand what to do with your tension. Then to release it you take to tranquillisers, you take to other things, escapes in life. All these escapes work out because you are so tensed up. That tension comes to you because of the ego and super-ego in your head. It can be so strongly tensed up [that] you can get both the things overlapping each other and it can be extremely painful also for some people. And when such things happen you go for your relaxation, you try all these things. But still it’s not opened out as yet. It has to open out. This gap has to be covered. And this gap only can be covered through the Kundalini awakening. Now once people come to know that, “Yes, Kundalini awakening is the only way one has to do.” All right, so they bring out a circus for you. “We’ll do the Kundalini awakening for you!” “We’ll give you Self-realisation, we’ll give you this, we’ll give you that.” They promise you things. But it is the happening that is important. This they do for making money maybe, because they want to have power, because they are sadistic, maybe they are satanic, because they want that you should not get your Realisation, that they want to kill all your chances of Realisation. I don’t know what their purpose is. But you have got this Kundalini within you, which must be awakened, and it can be awakened in thousands of people. I have done that. You can do it. There is one gentleman who has given Realisation to ten thousand people! Who is just very young, and he has been moving from villages to villages. But you know as villagers are very simple people and they cannot be enticed by any such things which we call as elaborate circusing (sic) about religion. They know what it is. They are too simple to believe all this nonsense of complication. So they know who is real and who is not. Their sensitivity is very great because they live with the nature. And they can make out a person who is real and who is unreal. This third centre that you see here, or we can say the fourth centre, is the centre of heart. This centre of heart is the centre that is responsible for giving you security, is the centre of the Mother. This gives you the sense of security. When you feel insecure you must have seen that you start breathing very fast, the breathing starts. When you are a child till the age of twelve years, all the anti-bodies are built-in, in the sternum bone, which is here — you know the sternum bone? Which is here — and these anti-bodies are spread out throughout, in the body, to fight any invasion or attack on the personality. These anti-bodies are actually as we would say in Sahaj Yoga terminology, are the armies of the Mother. They are built up there, and this is the centre of the Mother of the Universe. Now the Deities we have on these centres also I will tell you, one by one. Here is the another centre which is called as the Vishuddhi Chakra: is very important. At this point man has raised his head upward like that. He has raised his head with new aspirations, with new ideas. When he raised his head only, he started developing this ego and super-ego. When the head was down below, towards the Mother Earth, this could not be developed because the energy would pass into the Mother Earth. But when you raised your head, like this, then the ego and super-ego started developing very fast, by which you developed your own personality. The meeting of ego and super-ego cuts you out from the All-pervading Power. When you are a child, if you remember, you had a very soft bone in the fontanelle bone area, and suddenly it becomes thick and thick and thick; ultimately it becomes thick like a stone in some people. Now this is the closing of the door to the All-pervading Power. Why it is done, why are you closed away from that: because you are given your own freedom, your own individuality. You become Mr. X, you become Mr. Y, you become Mr. Z, because you find out what is right and what is wrong through your own experimentation. You become independent. Supposing I am making this instrument (microphone): first I’ll have to test this separately, then I’ll put it here, isn’t it? In the same way you are separated. And you start experimenting with good and bad. You start understanding what is good and what is bad. Once you start discovering it, you start taking to the right path. But, as you have seen, human beings have not been able to use their freedom properly. Their sense of freedom has been very much changed. And this changed attitude, or this changed behaviour towards freedom, is also due to freedom itself, because you are free to choose whether you want good or bad. And when this happens to you, that you become independent and you start choosing wrong things, then this becomes even stronger and stronger and stronger. So, now you have seen the centres up to this point (Agnya). This is the centre where, in the centre of the brain, is the centre of Christ. Is the centre where our pineal body and our pituitary body, both are placed in the optic chiasma, it is placed in such a manner — it is very subtle — that it controls your ego and super-ego, both. And this centre is called as Agnya chakra. And it has only two petals by which you control your ego and super-ego. On top of that, the centre you see is the Sahasrar, is the last centre, is of thousand petals and is called as Sahasrar, meaning, flow of the seven waterfalls, you can put it like that, not seven [but] thousand. Thousand is ‘sahast’ and ‘Sahasrar’ means: You can say, one thousand, the flow of one thousand, the flow of one thousand. These are one thousand petals there. You can see them. Some people have seen them and you can also see them within yourself. They are placed in the brain and they cover the limbic area which is the vacant area there, is the limbic area which is very important nowadays because people have started experimenting with limbic area. When the Kundalini crosses that and pierces this portion, this is the baptism. Then you find this place becomes soft, and suddenly you find the flow of Kundalini, the flow of the Grace, coming into you, when she pierces into the subtle thing. Now there is this energy around us, it exists, but we have to feel it. We have not yet felt it that’s why we are lost, that’s why we are confused, we have problems. All our political problems are because we are dealing with something relative. Same with our economics, same with all our problems is that we are… (break in recording) Now you are connected to the Absolute you can ask any question to the Absolute and you get the answer on your fingers, when your fingers are enlightened. And that’s how you know that you are enlightened. Then you start feeling yourself, and you feel you have expanded very much, you have become alive to yourself and to others, because you can start feeling others also! Sitting down here you can tell what’s happening in America to a particular person if you just put your attention to it. Because now your attention is enlightened and that’s how you feel it. The problem is it is too fantastic to believe, really it is. But supposing I make this place extremely fantastic, and there is darkness, you can’t see anything, and I tell you, “Now it's a fantastic place, you just come and see for yourself how things start working there. Every instrument is so nicely placed. It starts working. And you’ll get great results. And you just come in and you switch on the light.” It works! Because it is built-in! And the whole fantastic thing starts coming in to you and you start seeing it. Because it is inside it, only the light has to come, and once the light comes in you start seeing it. So why should you blame anyone for that or why should you be angry? After all it is all done for your joy and happiness. It’s just a surprise I should say, like a Father Christmas coming in and delivering all the goods to you. It’s all done before. It’s all managed before. Like we can say, first time I saw a television, for example, a colour television. And suddenly my husband, when he brought it to me he said, “Oh, you are going to see something very fantastic.” I said, “What?” I had never seen it before. He said, “You can see the film show. You can see everybody moving in it!” I said, “Really? In the room?” he said, “Yes, you can.” “Well how can that be?” “You just wait and see! You just wait. A minute is needed.” And he prepared me very nicely to give me a big surprise. He said, “You can see people here, talking and everything.” And he just opened it, and to my amazement it was working. It was not connected to anything as such, except for the electricity, and the whole thing started working, and I could see everything happening as he had said. It was really fantastic, one could not believe it! You start feeling it, “Really, it is true or not?” First time I saw the telephone, in India, absolutely when I was very young, and I think, in our house it was remarkable that we got the phone, and were of the few, first people who had the telephone, very few people. And that was, when we got it you see. We just couldn't believe, “How can it be you can talk to someone on the phone like that? You can dial to someone and talk?” Immediately we knew one girl who had a telephone so we telephoned to her. She was not allowed to touch the phone and we telephoned to her. The father said, “What? You've got the telephone? Now we’ve had it! And now you are going to telephone to her!” She said, “I had told you once, if you remember, that there is an instrument like that on which you can speak. But you never believed me. Now see, there is a telephone, isn't it?” Then we had to believe it, because it was all done for us. It was just to be connected and we started seeing it. That is the main thing is, that it is all done. I have told you that three hundred and fifty-million lives you have passed through to get all this thing done and fixed into it; this is built-in. Now if it fantastic why not have it? We don’t have to pay for it. You cannot! What can you pay? Can you pay for three hundred and fifty-million times you have passed through various lives? Can you pay for that? Can you pay for that love which made you a human being? It is too fantastic the whole thing is. And now what can we pay for it? Only thing is to accept it and take it and enjoy it, that’s all. We can’t think, in modern times, that there could be someone who just invites you for nothing, gives you everything for nothing and enjoys only the giving part of it. We just can’t think of such a beautiful person. That’s why people are frightened. You invite them, they are frightened, “Why, what is it?” “Because I am dealing with some and something — must be that.” We never trust. It is true, because we have had very bad experiences. But we have [also] had people like Christ who gave his life. Today is very important — because we have started the week where he gave his life — to think of him. Will there be anyone like that who would sacrifice his life to say something that is the Truth? He gave his life for Truth. For what? Why did he? Because the giving has much more joy, much more bliss than anything else. If you reach that state of giving, you will also enjoy giving. That has to happen. We have to discover that beauty within us which enjoys giving, which enjoys generosity, which enjoys fearlessness, which enjoys all the virtues of the world that reside within us. We have to just go deep down into ourselves. And it’s all done for you, it’s all done. It is there. So I think we should go in for the experience, that’s the best. Because what’s the use of talking about it all the time. You see, the cake, if I have made it, better have it hot and enjoy it. So many of them have enjoyed, and I want all the new people should enjoy. Because as I told you yesterday, you cannot give me anything. I don’t need anything. I’ve not come here to do Sahaj Yoga. I’ve come in London because my husband got posted here and that’s how I am here. I should say it’s your own calling that I am here. So you are not to give anything to me, nothing is needed. Only thing is: accept it and just enjoy it. It’s a gift. It’s a gift that you deserve, it’s your own right. You are the son of God and you have to become that. May God bless you all. Let’s have the experience. Now, if you have any questions you can ask questions. No harm in asking questions. But I would say that first have the experience and then ask the question, would be a better idea. Now you put your hands just like this towards me. I would request you to clear out your forehead, is important for me, because, you see, sometimes there are problems on the forehead — mostly they are. So can you clear out your forehead for me? Just clear out. I mean, open it out. Remove your hair I mean, all the hair. Can you also remove your hair a little bit? Ya, it’s good. Just put your hands towards me like this. This cures your ailments, your physical ailments, it cures cancer, it cures many diseases. We have cured. Cancer can only be cured by this. There’s no other way out. But what’s the use of coming to me after you have got cancer or you have got some serious disease? Better get rid of it beforehand. It's working out. Now close your eyes all of you, just close your eyes. Can you remove your red scarf a little? Yes, will be a good idea. You see the Kundalini has to pierce through and I would like to see here also. First of all watch your mind: is there any thought coming into your mind. First of all watch your mind. Just ask your mind, “What are you thinking?” Don’t put your attention anywhere fixed, into concentrated form, but just leave it loose, absolutely loose. Do not concentrate anywhere. Now, just see if you are feeling the cool breeze in your fingers, because these fingers, as I told you, at the end of it, are the sympathetic nervous systems which get enlightened. So you just start feeling on the tip of your fingers, if you are feeling the cool breeze. If you cannot keep your attention steady you can put your attention to the top of your head where you have a soft bone in your childhood. Thik hai? (ok?) It’s all right I think, it’s working. Most of the chakras have cleared out. I think you are getting cool breeze. Now you can see, when you are getting cool breeze in your hand also there will be cool breeze from your head here, you can see it. Put your left hand on your head and see for yourself, if it is hot or cool. Could be cool, could be hot also. If it is cool it’s all right, it’s good. Got it? You got the cool breeze too? Not yet? In the head in the hand? Not yet? It will work out don’t you worry. Now those who haven’t got it please raise your hands. All right. If you don’t mind I’ll ask them to look after you and I’ll also come down to see them, all right? Please raise your hands those who haven’t got the cool breeze as yet. Just attend to them! Keep it like that so that somebody comes to you. Will you please? I think best is the, if people from Brighton do it, it’s better. You also should, also you should also you should all come and help. But what I’m saying [is] basically because they will know who they are, what is their name and all that. It would be better for Brighton people to work it out. And also others. Just see for yourself. And others should join them just to help them out, you see. What’s the problem, let’s see! Is also left to the right. Most of them need sort of a balance from left to the right. Raise it from left to the right, with your left hand towards me, you just raise it from left to the right. It will work out. John, you see, he’s also same thing is, left to the right, you see. Now this gentleman has got it? You’ve got the cool breeze? Good. You can join, you can join John and see what it is. Just now you can see the whole fantasy of it. Come along. What’s your name? Yogi: Ross. Shri Mataji: All right, you join John and let’s see. John? You can see yourself, your vibrations will know. Now come along! Call him! Those who got Realisation yesterday also must work it out for themselves. Come along! Just see. Is it cool breeze coming now? Are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? You are not feeling in the hand? It’s coming out of your head all right. Are you feeling now? It’s Vishuddhi. He’s got a Vishuddhi, that’s why. You put your hand on his Vishuddhi. John? Come along you also work it out, all of you who have got Realisation. You’ve got the cool breeze? All right, what about you? He’s very good too! (Mother continues to get Sahaj Yogis to work on people in the audience, giving them instructions as to how they should. She asks individuals whether they can feel the cool breeze, and instructs others to continue working on them until they do, with several people working on each person....She then leaves stage to work on people Herself...)
4/6/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=733	Easter Puja: The Meaning of Easter	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Easter	English	31	Easter Puja, The Meaning of Easter, Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK). April 6th, 1980 …Like today I was talking to a Muslim boy and he said that “Mohammad Sahib was not an incarnation.” “So what was He?” “He was a human being, but God has given Him special powers.” I said, “Very good way!” Because if you say that He was a human being [then] for human beings, it is very good to say that “He was just a human being, He came on this earth and we are at par with that.” Which you are not. So the awe and that shraddha as you call it, that doesn't come in. One starts thinking that you are at par with Christ, at par with Mohammad Sahib, at par with all these people! And where are they? And where are we? Like, here, how people are playing around with Christ's life! They call themselves Christians, and they show no respect to His life at all, because it is the becoming He talked about. He didn't talk about all these nonsensical things. Secondly, we show no respect. There’s no awe in our hearts that He's the one who has created universes after universes, and what are we, compared to Him? We sit down on Him like judges, judging Him. What ego human beings have! Like bubbles. Of course, He was made of the Brahma Tattwa itself, the Divine love itself, so He could not be killed. Moreover He had to be born after Krishna because Krishna had said that, “This Divine power of God does not die. It is not killed.” Just to prove that, He took this form, this gross form of Christ and came on this earth. But human beings, they have no eyes to see anything. They know what is a diamond, they know what is a precious cloth is, but they don't know what a precious thing it was that He came on this earth. Now think of it! The situation was horrible. No question of talking to anyone about God or about Realisation. But even to talk about dharma itself, the righteousness, was very difficult. I mean, what ignorance must have covered those people that they crucified Him! Then, even the disciples never recognised Christ. When He was crucified they said, “Now He’s dead.” Then when He rose nobody would believe it. They have all kinds of theories even about the shroud that they have found out. Of course, there was a cloth which was tied on to His face which was pulled up, that's why His face looks that elongated and disfigured. But that cloth was left just there. I mean, what is so important about that shroud? I can't understand. It's the blood of Christ. One should be ashamed of oneself. The ignorance with which people looked at Him. You can't imagine! If you see from that angle, how people are managing themselves with their ego and living in complete darkness and self-certifying themselves that they are the people who can judge even God! And hardly they allowed Him to live for three or four years. He did not do any harm whatsoever to anyone. You cannot blame any community for that. If He was born in India, they might have done the same. What did they do to Mohammad Sahib? The same thing. But why there are so many thieves, as shown in His life - only a contrast - [that] were allowed to get out? Why this compromise was possible and why it was not with Christ? Do we also do with us the same thing today? That we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are negative people, and we do not mind Christ being crucified. Now, as you know that He created all the brahmandas. ‘Brahmand' means ‘an universe’. Now, the universe of the Sun, out of that universe, has come out this earth; out of that you have come out. And in your Agnya Chakra He has created a small Viraat, as they call it. He exists within your Agnya Chakra. This sacrifice is very, very significant. And, though it is gross, in [the] subtle it has happened. To take the awareness through this centre of Agnya was done by Christ by His crucifixion. He came as a gross person, just like a gross human being. His body died, but did not die, because that body was also made of that imperishable Divine vibrations, as you call, the radiations of this Brahma. They did not die. And that's why the body did not die and He resurrected with His body. He had to die to show that, the body though [it] dies, can be saved. That's why He had to be crucified. Otherwise He could not have shown you. But actually, it was experimented in the vaikuntha as you call it: that He died and then resurrected; to show that this does not die. Krishna has said, “Nainam chidanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavakah” (meaning) “It is not killed by any weapon, neither it is burned by any fires, nor it is blown by any wind.” “Na chainam kledayantya apo, na shosayati marutah” (meaning) “Neither, nothing can suck in.” That Spirit is He. When they saw Him being resurrected then they started saying, “Oh! He was the one!” Then His disciples believed Him. What ignorance, what darkness! What darkness! It’s like telling an ant about human civilisation. And this gross happening took place when, in the subtle also, the same happening had to take place. Like when you say Moses crossed the river, this was the happening of Void being crossed by the Primordial Master. So, in the subtle, whatever is done is expressed in the gross in this manner. And this exactly what happened when Christ was crucified. But again you cannot crucify Him. Now He has become Ekadasha Rudra, as described - the eleven Rudras as you know very well. These are all the powers of Shiva given to Him. Up till now, till He was born, Krishna had given Him His powers, and [by] that He became Mahaviraat. He was even placed above Krishna. But now, when He will come, He’ll be bestowed with the destructive powers of Shiva, eleven of them. One is sufficient to finish all the universes. And that’s what is described as the coming of the Christ. You cannot crucify Him anymore. And the time has come for all of us to be prepared for us to receive Him. We are not yet ready to receive Him. Unless and until you are Realised, you cannot receive Him, because if you remain un-Realised till He comes, you’ll be finished, you’ll be gone, you’ll be destroyed. He’ll just come to destroy all the nonsensical things. So this short time should be used for your emancipation and for your development. But when we think of Christ, how human beings put up pretensions. All kinds of pretensions: like they act, enact how Christ was crucified. They’ll wear all the beautiful jewels and everything and they will enact. It’s mockery going on. If you have to really come to resurrection then you must awaken Christ within yourself in the Agnya Chakra. If you cannot do it, all this enactment, even I have seen some people in Spain, they say, are enacting as crucified. I mean, this is mockery going on in this world. We are living with pretensions and falsehoods. All these things are going to take us nowhere. We have to face ourselves. We have to awaken Christ within ourselves. We have to bow to Him in full understanding of how great He is. On the contrary, we always bend towards people who are pretentious, who make a circus out of Him. It’s a mockery going on everywhere! This carrying the cross or any drama, I mean, it was such a miserable thing. And to enact it - I don't know why people want to do that. I just can't understand. I can't bear it. But if you have feelings, you can see within yourself: it cannot be a ceremony, a ritual; to be sacrificed and to be resurrected. It’s the actuality, is the becoming. It’s not any drama. And people want to see a drama like that and be satisfied. For us Sahaja Yogis it is important to understand the significance of Christ’s life. That His body was the only body was made of these radiations. All other bodies were human bodies. All incarnations, even that of Krishna’s, when He came on this earth were having human qualities - that Mother Earth existed in the body. Now the Mother Earth exists as a magnetic force, She’s nothing but a magnetic force. If the magnetic force is the only part of the energy of Christ then it cannot be destroyed. But as we human beings are, we are very gross. And the magnetic force of the Mother Earth also we do not know. We do not feel it within ourselves. The day we start feeling that magnetic force within us, we’ll give up all these nonsensical movements of extremes. We’ll settle down into our gravity. But we are not even [as] sensitive to that magnetic force as the birds are. After Realisation you do become subtle enough to feel that magnetic force. And you can ask the Mother Earth to take away your problems, to take away your sins - She’ll suck in. Once you become that subtle, She’ll work it out, no doubt. But you have to become that subtle. Unless and until you become that evolved, you cannot touch Her subtler side, which is the magnetic force. While Christ’s body was made of that magnetic force itself. Now, when He was resurrected, they celebrate the Sunday, because as you have seen that He has millions and millions of suns and He is made of Sun. He is the essence of Sun. The Sun has got the force of oxygen within it, and this oxygen is responsible for creating brahmandas after brahmandas. You see, when the Sun's rays fall on the tree - we take everything so [much] for granted - the tree blossoms, yield fruits; the fruits have seeds and then again they sprout into trees. Without the Sun nothing could exist on this Earth. And that is why we worship Him on a Sunday, because He was Sun. Actually, He resides in the Sun, we can say. Now when we go to the Left, we actually go very much away from Him, to the negative side. We become very negative, like when we go to the Left Side, which you know, we go very much away from Him and our Agnya gets caught up, as you say, the back side of it. [If] you go to your Right extremes then you disown Him, you cross your limits. You cannot go beyond Him. And that is how when you go to the Right you cross all sense of decency, decorum and humility. So in both ways you go in the opposite directions, much away from Him. Ego is the result of Right-hand movement, because the Christ essence does not create the necessary action on people who move too much to the Right and also on the Left. So on one side He fights the Left side, the superego. On the other He fights the ego in human beings. That's why you have seen, if you are possessed, you have to take the name of Christ. Only His name can take you away from your possessions. Lord’s prayer has got all the essences to take away the possessions. But not Lord’s prayer said by any Dick, Tom and Harry. He is to be connected with Lord Jesus Christ, then only, if you say, it has an effect and such a mantra is an awakened mantra. Right-hand side when you move, you have to be humble in your heart, because He resides in your heart as Spirit, because He is the Spirit. And this Spirit gets insulted when you go too much on the Right-hand side. And that's why ego-oriented people get a heart trouble. On the left-hand side, in the superego area Christ is a terror! They are frightened of His name. They run away from Him because they know the Ekadasha Rudra that He is. So on one side He is mild, in the sense [that] He recedes away from the people who are egoistical, ego-oriented. He doesn't like buffoons and idiots. Donkeys that He was riding is the suggestion of these donkeys who are ego-oriented. He tried to control the donkey. But the left-hand side are the people, these horrible negative people, they get frightened of Him. Absolutely frightened. You take Christ's name and they just run away, depart, “No, nothing doing, we are not going to face Him. Oh God, He's coming!” Now this [bindi] mark is the sign of His blood actually. And that's why this sign is described as, the persons, even if you show this colour they run away. But one has to understand the significance of Christ with patience, with humility, because He is the one who has created universes after universes. Here you cannot just sit on a table, “Let's have it out!” or, you see, “Let's discuss.” It’s no dogma going on. He’s a living God, and living God cannot be discussed by human beings. You have to become superhuman beings to discuss Him, to understand Him. And the more you rise, the more you are filled with awe, “Oh God!” And when you realise that He’s the support of the universe, He is our support, then you feel very powerful that - nobody can possess you if He is your support. But you cannot just possess Christ as your own. You cannot say, “Alright, Christ is mine!” Nobody can possess Him. You have to surrender to Him so that you become His possessions, so that He looks after you. His greatness cannot be described in words. As a child, as a son He’s the giver of joy. One cannot describe how He looked after His mother - it’s impossible. No words can describe the understanding of Christ for His Mother: His love, His gentleness, His care, His devotion, dedication, His Shraddha. It cannot be described. And you know that He came as an evolved Shri Ganesh. And at the back He is Shri Ganesh; in front He’s Kartikeya: very powerful, eleven Rudras. And this has given Him the highest position. So, on this day, we have to think how He was resurrected for us. More than Him, His mother had to suffer His crucifixion. It was too much. Because She knew all about Him, She knew all this was going to happen and She was in a human form as a mother and Her only loving son being crucified in Her presence. We should not glorify the cross for one reason: because Christ was crucified on that. But cross is the sign of the Agnya Chakra also. Because the same Swastika, which was tetravalent, equally distributed, is expressed as an evolved symbol that is a cross. So when we glorify the cross, we are glorifying our Agnya, by which we accept the life of dedication and of sacrifice. And if we look forward after the cross we know that it is resurrection. And the resurrection that you are going to actualise in this lifetime. But now give up all nonsensical ideas about your seekings and useless ramblings. Seeking means, not knowing about anything, but becoming something. For that Christ crucified Himself. He resurrected Himself so that you all could be resurrected. So you have to, today, thank Him for giving you the lead of resurrection. And in this lifetime only you are going to be resurrected and you are going to see with your own eyes your resurrection as the disciples saw the resurrection of Christ. This is being all promised and this must happen to all of you. So we should rejoice and be happy that the time has come for a mass resurrection. And [that] such a great event we are facing, we are such fortunate people. Give up our small visions and our petty hankerings, our small, little lives in which we live like frogs. Expand yourself and think that today you are facing the drama of mass resurrection. Not only that, but you are manoeuvring it. So rejoice and be happy that, what Christ did two thousand years back, today we are going to do it, and that’s why Easter is a special day for all of us. It’s really a very special day because in our lives the death has died and we are resurrected. May God bless you all!	null	null	null	Easter Puja, The Meaning of Easter, Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK). April 6th, 1980 …Like today I was talking to a Muslim boy and he said that “Mohammad Sahib was not an incarnation.” “So what was He?” “He was a human being, but God has given Him special powers.” I said, “Very good way!” Because if you say that He was a human being [then] for human beings, it is very good to say that “He was just a human being, He came on this earth and we are at par with that.” Which you are not. So the awe and that shraddha as you call it, that doesn't come in. One starts thinking that you are at par with Christ, at par with Mohammad Sahib, at par with all these people! And where are they? And where are we? Like, here, how people are playing around with Christ's life! They call themselves Christians, and they show no respect to His life at all, because it is the becoming He talked about. He didn't talk about all these nonsensical things. Secondly, we show no respect. There’s no awe in our hearts that He's the one who has created universes after universes, and what are we, compared to Him? We sit down on Him like judges, judging Him. What ego human beings have! Like bubbles. Of course, He was made of the Brahma Tattwa itself, the Divine love itself, so He could not be killed. Moreover He had to be born after Krishna because Krishna had said that, “This Divine power of God does not die. It is not killed.” Just to prove that, He took this form, this gross form of Christ and came on this earth. But human beings, they have no eyes to see anything. They know what is a diamond, they know what is a precious cloth is, but they don't know what a precious thing it was that He came on this earth. Now think of it! The situation was horrible. No question of talking to anyone about God or about Realisation. But even to talk about dharma itself, the righteousness, was very difficult. I mean, what ignorance must have covered those people that they crucified Him! Then, even the disciples never recognised Christ. When He was crucified they said, “Now He’s dead.” Then when He rose nobody would believe it. They have all kinds of theories even about the shroud that they have found out. Of course, there was a cloth which was tied on to His face which was pulled up, that's why His face looks that elongated and disfigured. But that cloth was left just there. I mean, what is so important about that shroud? I can't understand. It's the blood of Christ. One should be ashamed of oneself. The ignorance with which people looked at Him. You can't imagine! If you see from that angle, how people are managing themselves with their ego and living in complete darkness and self-certifying themselves that they are the people who can judge even God! And hardly they allowed Him to live for three or four years. He did not do any harm whatsoever to anyone. You cannot blame any community for that. If He was born in India, they might have done the same. What did they do to Mohammad Sahib? The same thing. But why there are so many thieves, as shown in His life - only a contrast - [that] were allowed to get out? Why this compromise was possible and why it was not with Christ? Do we also do with us the same thing today? That we compromise ourselves with thieves, who are negative people, and we do not mind Christ being crucified. Now, as you know that He created all the brahmandas. ‘Brahmand' means ‘an universe’. Now, the universe of the Sun, out of that universe, has come out this earth; out of that you have come out. And in your Agnya Chakra He has created a small Viraat, as they call it. He exists within your Agnya Chakra. This sacrifice is very, very significant. And, though it is gross, in [the] subtle it has happened. To take the awareness through this centre of Agnya was done by Christ by His crucifixion. He came as a gross person, just like a gross human being. His body died, but did not die, because that body was also made of that imperishable Divine vibrations, as you call, the radiations of this Brahma. They did not die. And that's why the body did not die and He resurrected with His body. He had to die to show that, the body though [it] dies, can be saved. That's why He had to be crucified. Otherwise He could not have shown you. But actually, it was experimented in the vaikuntha as you call it: that He died and then resurrected; to show that this does not die. Krishna has said, “Nainam chidanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavakah” (meaning) “It is not killed by any weapon, neither it is burned by any fires, nor it is blown by any wind.” “Na chainam kledayantya apo, na shosayati marutah” (meaning) “Neither, nothing can suck in.” That Spirit is He. When they saw Him being resurrected then they started saying, “Oh! He was the one!” Then His disciples believed Him. What ignorance, what darkness! What darkness! It’s like telling an ant about human civilisation. And this gross happening took place when, in the subtle also, the same happening had to take place. Like when you say Moses crossed the river, this was the happening of Void being crossed by the Primordial Master. So, in the subtle, whatever is done is expressed in the gross in this manner. And this exactly what happened when Christ was crucified. But again you cannot crucify Him. Now He has become Ekadasha Rudra, as described - the eleven Rudras as you know very well. These are all the powers of Shiva given to Him. Up till now, till He was born, Krishna had given Him His powers, and [by] that He became Mahaviraat. He was even placed above Krishna. But now, when He will come, He’ll be bestowed with the destructive powers of Shiva, eleven of them. One is sufficient to finish all the universes. And that’s what is described as the coming of the Christ. You cannot crucify Him anymore. And the time has come for all of us to be prepared for us to receive Him. We are not yet ready to receive Him. Unless and until you are Realised, you cannot receive Him, because if you remain un-Realised till He comes, you’ll be finished, you’ll be gone, you’ll be destroyed. He’ll just come to destroy all the nonsensical things. So this short time should be used for your emancipation and for your development. But when we think of Christ, how human beings put up pretensions. All kinds of pretensions: like they act, enact how Christ was crucified. They’ll wear all the beautiful jewels and everything and they will enact. It’s mockery going on. If you have to really come to resurrection then you must awaken Christ within yourself in the Agnya Chakra. If you cannot do it, all this enactment, even I have seen some people in Spain, they say, are enacting as crucified. I mean, this is mockery going on in this world. We are living with pretensions and falsehoods. All these things are going to take us nowhere. We have to face ourselves. We have to awaken Christ within ourselves. We have to bow to Him in full understanding of how great He is. On the contrary, we always bend towards people who are pretentious, who make a circus out of Him. It’s a mockery going on everywhere! This carrying the cross or any drama, I mean, it was such a miserable thing. And to enact it - I don't know why people want to do that. I just can't understand. I can't bear it. But if you have feelings, you can see within yourself: it cannot be a ceremony, a ritual; to be sacrificed and to be resurrected. It’s the actuality, is the becoming. It’s not any drama. And people want to see a drama like that and be satisfied. For us Sahaja Yogis it is important to understand the significance of Christ’s life. That His body was the only body was made of these radiations. All other bodies were human bodies. All incarnations, even that of Krishna’s, when He came on this earth were having human qualities - that Mother Earth existed in the body. Now the Mother Earth exists as a magnetic force, She’s nothing but a magnetic force. If the magnetic force is the only part of the energy of Christ then it cannot be destroyed. But as we human beings are, we are very gross. And the magnetic force of the Mother Earth also we do not know. We do not feel it within ourselves. The day we start feeling that magnetic force within us, we’ll give up all these nonsensical movements of extremes. We’ll settle down into our gravity. But we are not even [as] sensitive to that magnetic force as the birds are. After Realisation you do become subtle enough to feel that magnetic force. And you can ask the Mother Earth to take away your problems, to take away your sins - She’ll suck in. Once you become that subtle, She’ll work it out, no doubt. But you have to become that subtle. Unless and until you become that evolved, you cannot touch Her subtler side, which is the magnetic force. While Christ’s body was made of that magnetic force itself. Now, when He was resurrected, they celebrate the Sunday, because as you have seen that He has millions and millions of suns and He is made of Sun. He is the essence of Sun. The Sun has got the force of oxygen within it, and this oxygen is responsible for creating brahmandas after brahmandas. You see, when the Sun's rays fall on the tree - we take everything so [much] for granted - the tree blossoms, yield fruits; the fruits have seeds and then again they sprout into trees. Without the Sun nothing could exist on this Earth. And that is why we worship Him on a Sunday, because He was Sun. Actually, He resides in the Sun, we can say. Now when we go to the Left, we actually go very much away from Him, to the negative side. We become very negative, like when we go to the Left Side, which you know, we go very much away from Him and our Agnya gets caught up, as you say, the back side of it. [If] you go to your Right extremes then you disown Him, you cross your limits. You cannot go beyond Him. And that is how when you go to the Right you cross all sense of decency, decorum and humility. So in both ways you go in the opposite directions, much away from Him. Ego is the result of Right-hand movement, because the Christ essence does not create the necessary action on people who move too much to the Right and also on the Left. So on one side He fights the Left side, the superego. On the other He fights the ego in human beings. That's why you have seen, if you are possessed, you have to take the name of Christ. Only His name can take you away from your possessions. Lord’s prayer has got all the essences to take away the possessions. But not Lord’s prayer said by any Dick, Tom and Harry. He is to be connected with Lord Jesus Christ, then only, if you say, it has an effect and such a mantra is an awakened mantra. Right-hand side when you move, you have to be humble in your heart, because He resides in your heart as Spirit, because He is the Spirit. And this Spirit gets insulted when you go too much on the Right-hand side. And that's why ego-oriented people get a heart trouble. On the left-hand side, in the superego area Christ is a terror! They are frightened of His name. They run away from Him because they know the Ekadasha Rudra that He is. So on one side He is mild, in the sense [that] He recedes away from the people who are egoistical, ego-oriented. He doesn't like buffoons and idiots. Donkeys that He was riding is the suggestion of these donkeys who are ego-oriented. He tried to control the donkey. But the left-hand side are the people, these horrible negative people, they get frightened of Him. Absolutely frightened. You take Christ's name and they just run away, depart, “No, nothing doing, we are not going to face Him. Oh God, He's coming!” Now this [bindi] mark is the sign of His blood actually. And that's why this sign is described as, the persons, even if you show this colour they run away. But one has to understand the significance of Christ with patience, with humility, because He is the one who has created universes after universes. Here you cannot just sit on a table, “Let's have it out!” or, you see, “Let's discuss.” It’s no dogma going on. He’s a living God, and living God cannot be discussed by human beings. You have to become superhuman beings to discuss Him, to understand Him. And the more you rise, the more you are filled with awe, “Oh God!” And when you realise that He’s the support of the universe, He is our support, then you feel very powerful that - nobody can possess you if He is your support. But you cannot just possess Christ as your own. You cannot say, “Alright, Christ is mine!” Nobody can possess Him. You have to surrender to Him so that you become His possessions, so that He looks after you. His greatness cannot be described in words. As a child, as a son He’s the giver of joy. One cannot describe how He looked after His mother - it’s impossible. No words can describe the understanding of Christ for His Mother: His love, His gentleness, His care, His devotion, dedication, His Shraddha. It cannot be described. And you know that He came as an evolved Shri Ganesh. And at the back He is Shri Ganesh; in front He’s Kartikeya: very powerful, eleven Rudras. And this has given Him the highest position. So, on this day, we have to think how He was resurrected for us. More than Him, His mother had to suffer His crucifixion. It was too much. Because She knew all about Him, She knew all this was going to happen and She was in a human form as a mother and Her only loving son being crucified in Her presence. We should not glorify the cross for one reason: because Christ was crucified on that. But cross is the sign of the Agnya Chakra also. Because the same Swastika, which was tetravalent, equally distributed, is expressed as an evolved symbol that is a cross. So when we glorify the cross, we are glorifying our Agnya, by which we accept the life of dedication and of sacrifice. And if we look forward after the cross we know that it is resurrection. And the resurrection that you are going to actualise in this lifetime. But now give up all nonsensical ideas about your seekings and useless ramblings. Seeking means, not knowing about anything, but becoming something. For that Christ crucified Himself. He resurrected Himself so that you all could be resurrected. So you have to, today, thank Him for giving you the lead of resurrection. And in this lifetime only you are going to be resurrected and you are going to see with your own eyes your resurrection as the disciples saw the resurrection of Christ. This is being all promised and this must happen to all of you. So we should rejoice and be happy that the time has come for a mass resurrection. And [that] such a great event we are facing, we are such fortunate people. Give up our small visions and our petty hankerings, our small, little lives in which we live like frogs. Expand yourself and think that today you are facing the drama of mass resurrection. Not only that, but you are manoeuvring it. So rejoice and be happy that, what Christ did two thousand years back, today we are going to do it, and that’s why Easter is a special day for all of us. It’s really a very special day because in our lives the death has died and we are resurrected. May God bless you all!
4/10/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6730	The Egg and Rebirth	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	56	The Egg and Rebirth, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 10 April 1980. The other day at the ashram I spoke to you about Easter, about the birth of Christ and His resurrection and the message of Christianity that is resurrection. An egg is a very significant thing and it is written in one of the ancient scriptures in India why Easter should be celebrated with an egg. Is most surprising. It's very clear there if one can see how Christ is symbolized as an egg. Now what is an egg? In Sanskrit language, a Brahmin is called as dwijaha. Dwihi jayeti means the one who is born twice. And a bird is also called, any bird, is called as a dwija, means twice born. Because first the bird is born as an egg and then reborn as a bird. In the same way a human being is born as an egg and then is born as a realized soul. Now see how significant it is that both are called by the same name. No other animal is called as dwija unless and until it has an egg-form first and then it comes out as a... another thing. For example no mammals, none of the mammals, are called as dwija except for human beings. It is remarkable in the zoology if you read that mammals do not lay their eggs, they give birth directly to their children. And we are also mammals. But despite that, human beings are called as dwijaha just like birds. So that means human beings, when they are born are eggs, or they become eggs. How do they become eggs? Is the way our ego and superego develop within us. Now you all being only Sahaj Yogis I think you understand what I'm saying. When the ego and superego... [ASIDE: What's this supposed to be?] When the ego and superego [ASIDE: - there's no chart is it?] develop in a human being, to the full extent and the fontanel bone area is completely calcified, then you become an egg. You get completely separated from your Mother, from all the pervading power of God and you are left to yourself as an egg till you mature within yourself inside the shell of the egg, in your freedom, to a point where you are ready for hatching. The Mother bird has to pierce on the head of the egg and you come out as birds. You're already there inside developed and then you fly out into the space of All Pervading Power of Divine Love. So how significant is Easter, and why Christ? He came on this earth because He had learnt the idea, He had practiced the idea, or we can say that He was an expert on this. That He could Himself surpass that hurdle by which He becomes [vadija/the dweeja], but He was that already. But how are you to believe that you can be dweejahas, you can be reborn? It was said by every religion, by every prophet, that you are to be born again. Unless and until you are reborn - that means baptism, not this kind of baptism but the real one - unless and until this shell is broken on your fontanel area, you cannot become the dweejaha. Is written in all the scriptures, said by all the prophets; somebody had to show you that this can be done. He being the divine power itself, the Pranava, He being the Brahma itself. His rebirth was resurrection, bodily resurrection, while yours is a resurrection which is in your consciousness. And you see it clearly. This is what is Easter is. Now we have to face in Sahaja Yoga ourselves in a full way. Christ was too great, but He came on this earth like an ordinary human being, went through all the pains and pangs of life, overcome the hurdle and became the eternal life. He was eternal life and He became eternal life and He is eternal life. But to show you that you have to also become eternal life, your consciousness must reside in that eternal life. That is only possible after realization if you know the value of that eternal life. If that is your priority, if that is the highest and you have to achieve that and nothing else. But actually we have been identified with so many things, like we can say in the egg stage we had the yolk and all these things, and we got contaminated by all the surroundings, that even when we are resurrected we cannot identify our self with the open space, still our wings have to grow, still we are afraid to fly. And at that time you are to be looked after. But if you are prone to go back into the egg stage, you can go back. This is the only difference between a human egg and a bird's egg. Though I would say a realized soul never loses his realization. But it can be so much overclouded that could be that the growth is stunted. The atmosphere in which you live is responsible for that. You must have your own willpower. You must have your own understanding, your own character to stand up to it. You'll be amazed that the chicken that we eat cannot fly but if you want to see them in the forest you'll be surprised they are one of the fastest moving birds. They are exactly the same as the chicken we have in the house. No difference if you put both of them together you'll find they are just the same - in the color, in their weight, in their appearances, in the way they walk, everything. But you put them together and at the slightest disturbance one will take off very high up while the other would not know where to run it will just [unclear onomatopoeia: parr] and go into a small place where it will be caught again and cut and finished. So if human beings have to understand the importance of eternal life, they must know that they can change the atmosphere. They are much more powerful than chickens are, aren't they? Chickens can be dominated by the atmosphere. But a realized soul, through his vibratory awareness, through the radiations that are passing through him can change the atmosphere. He can change his surroundings, he can change his friends, he can change his parents, his brothers, sisters, his relations, his surroundings - he can change his town, he can change his country and he can change the whole world. Now the Sahaj Yogis have a special responsibility because they are the first to transform themselves. I mean the modern ones. The old ones who are realized souls do not know Sahaj Yoga so they should not be called as Sahaj Yogis because they don't know about Kundalini, they don't know how to raise the Kundalini, they don't know anything. Moreover because they have certain amount of consciousness that they are different from others, either they are cynical or egoistical. So the responsibility of the Sahaj Yogis of modern times is so great that they are the pivotal point, they are the turning point. They are going to turn the wave, a wave that can save or mar. One wave can mar, kill thousands of people by its upward thrust towards a wrong direction and the same wave can save them to the shore. So the responsibility is very great and the importance of Sahaj Yogis is much greater than any saints who were born on this earth before. Because other saints did not know that if they were irresponsible what would happen to others. Some of them have written good books but I am sure, in between they have made mistakes. Those saints who have been great and realized souls did not know even one thousandth of what you know about Kundalini and they did not even have the power to raise the Kundalini of others and give them realization. Except for very few, like we can say John the Baptist, we had, who would make people [Laughingly:] go headlong into the water, into the water element to pierce them first... Dip them inside nicely again and again and with his vibrations would raise their Kundalini, but still I don't know if he gave realization to anyone. He could give because none of the people at that time speak like realized souls, still they are seeking, their seeking has not come to an end. Still they are not knowing. In India there are many people who have written about Self Realization. They were at a advantageous position because there are lots of books about it. While the disciples of Christ did not have that advantage otherwise they would have also written a lot. But writing is not the main thing. You can make out a realized soul by the way he speaks. If he's not a realized soul, if he’s still half-baked you can find out. You can very easily find out a half baked Sahaj Yogi, as you can find out an egg which is rotten. You don't have to break it to find out that it is smelling. You can see from the weight, you can make it out if the egg is all right or not, even by putting it in the water. There are so many simple methods of finding out if the egg is rotten or not. There are some eggs which are about to be rotten. Some are absolutely rotten and some are absolutely smelling. So forget about them. Now one of the first things that happens to realized souls is that their attention goes to the most rotten ones, you see, and to oblige Me, they bring them down to Me - the most rotten ones which are incorrigible and I go on struggling with them. I do not know why such a psychology should exist within us that we get the most difficult ones to Mother, to present Her with the most challenging task, to give Her the greatest holiest position. But, I have no regrets about it, neither I have any complaints, but time is wasted, time is really wasted quite a lot. So is better to find out people who are not that rotten, to get people who are just all right, not very much spoilt, otherwise if the shells are broken, if the whole yolk has fallen down then how are we to gather it? Now we have most of the eggs quite safe but we have no way of approaching them, because the contamination that takes place on these eggs is because of heat: they get spoilt. The heat as you have seen in the body also is caused by diseases like cancer or anything that comes as heat from a Sahaj Yogi means there's something wrong. And the warmth of the Mother bird only gives realization to the little eggs as birds. In the same way, it is the warmth of the divine love which does the job. But still human beings do not realize the importance, best are those who fly at the first opening. Those who do not, sit down and sulk and think and analyze or afraid or frightened or start wondering their progress is very slow. Because at the instant of their birth is a tremendous force behind him and they can easily go out. But if you sulk and think of your fears, the fear will settle down in your limbs and in your wings and you cannot fly. The thinking and analysis that is going on after Realization makes the wings very heavy. That's why I've seen people who get Realization in the villages of India, where the people are least complicated, take to their wings without any fear, just [they ] I find they are flying in the air, and they manage to learn flying as if it is their birthright. They are just there - no problem. Whenever they want they can come down, and again be there. But those who become heavy with fears or with egos and their misidentifications, fly a little, again flop down - fly a little, again flop down. Every time they flop down something happens to them, they are hurt, they try to hurt Me by blaming Me for what has happened to them. This is the worst part of it. Because they think I asked them to fly, that's why they have fallen down. I give even that much concession because they are still young, still quite naive, but best thing is to take to your wings as soon as you get Realization. Now why I'm telling you this, specially to the people who have already achieved quite a lot, because you took lot of time, most of you. So now when you bring new people, when you talk to new people, tell them that, "We have done all these mistakes and we were real slow masters. And we used to walk three paces forward and four paces backwards. Now we would request you to take to this flight and have the joy." The third thing which is very important to be understood is that, that the mind which is so confused-a-terminology, I don't know what English word "mind" means, but if you think mind is your intellect by which you think, is the buddhi, then this mind has had many ramblings, in the West, specially. So the complication is much worse because the mind has gone round and round and round. So the first impact of Realization, of this resurrection, is seldom of joy. And even if it is of joy, one comes down. It may be in many cases that the joy comes only for an hour or so, and then you come back to your position. Then again you start rising, now when you start rising you face your complications and your complicated methods. First of all ,your priorities have been wrong because of your intellectual ways of doing things. Priorities like wasting your energy on petty things as we do always. Say... "now this is not fixed properly." So... just to lose temper on that. Somebody comes late, then you are angry. The norms, you see, that are made as important, that you have to be in time, "time is very important" - for what? Because we won the war, Waterloo war, because of time. But nobody's going to fight here a war, do you see? We are not doing the same jobs what these people were doing, you see, we are not soldiers who had to fight a war, we are soldiers of patience. So time is the... identification is too much with to-the-dot time business. Then there are double forces which comes into play. One is your identification with the time and the other is My play of befooling you. You'll never get things in time after Realization. It will be all untimely, then you will realize that it was stupidity. Because straight away you do not understand. Simple identification like time, if you go little further with it, see now in Kundalini what is the timing? Can you say what time you are going to get your Realization? At what time exactly according to watch. My watch is... just now is 7:30 but it could be 7, could be quarter to 7, could be 6, could be 1. It's My own watch I'll have it the way I want to. In the same way, you are not to be the slave of the watch. Now, the timing... [Laughingly:] if you try other tricks also, any such things like foolish things like that. For example, people are very particular about the mannerism of others, not their own, but about others. If the other has a little peculiar mannerism, finished - then they have no patience for that person. It is so outside a person, because you are not seeing the inside of a person. And when these misidentifications stick onto you too much, then I have to do something about it, isn't it? I mean what - there's no other way but to play tricks with you. Then you get confused with Sahaj Yoga. You think, "Oh, I was very much all right, what's the matter?" There was a lady in America whom I gave Realization. She was an Indian lady running a shop, imagine, an Indian running a shop in America - had it. Ah, I mean, she was nothing but a shop. She couldn't think of anything else but her shop. And she knew everything whatever was in the shop. She knew all the pricing, she knew everything, her profits, this thing, that thing. And when she got Realization she forgot all about it. She just forgot and she didn't know where she had things, you know. And she was quite worried, she said, "What has happened to me now? I am not worried about the shop and I don't remember where I have put the things and this things happens and all that..." But the result was, though she was so much worried and upset, that she was making a big profit, much bigger than it was before. And she couldn't understand what was the matter, how was it she was in such a mess. And she started telling Me, "Mother, I can't understand, this has happened and I was so confused that I lost all my sense of direction, of time and everything and I was making such a lot of profit. So how is it? What is happening to me? I mean, I don't understand how do work it now." And she was very good at accounts, you see, but she could not do any accounting. And ultimately she found that without doing any accounting, the money she gathered was quite a lot. And the things started prospering. So I said, "Now leave it that way, why do you want to worry, to get back to the same position where you had to write every one dollar, two dollars?" Now she says, "I have to write by hundred dollars, see it's the thing is like that." Now what happens really when this happens you go beyond thoughts. And when you go beyond thoughts, accept that as a blessing, accept that as your achievement, accept that as your resurrection. Because you go beyond thoughts and with thoughts you have been doing all these meticulous things, you see, your thoughts disappear and you do not get those information, and those... complete efficiency, you see - recording by which you know you are efficient or not. Your efficiency to look at goes down, but on the whole because you are in thoughtless awareness the whole dynamism of God's working starts working for you and you are amazed at the results and you are absolutely relaxed. As if all of them start working for you and you are just watching the way it is and wondering what it is. But unless and until you understand the importance of that thoughtless awareness, that point as - this is the point where I have to speak - in the same way, you understand the importance of that thoughtless awareness, of your resurrection, of your entering into the realm of Divine blessings, you will stick onto your thoughts. Then you start working out on your thoughts and there I play that nothing will work out according to your thoughts, and will be very obvious. You'll think of something, plan about something - it must fail. If it does not fail, you'll not give up your thoughts. And then people again get confused that, "Mother, I wanted to do this but I wanted to do this, I believed in it." So all your beliefs and all your wants get absolutely neutralized and you are bewildered. Because you have to leave all these things in the hands of God. He does everything, you do not do anything. He is almighty. When there is Almighty to do work for you, why do you want to do it unnecessarily? Just to pamper your ego and the ego is also wrong because you do not do anything. Just think of it. God only can have ego because He does everything while your ego has no meaning, it doesn't do anything. And because of these ramblings around, the way you have made your brain - you see, every time something comes up and then another… 00:31:17 MISSING thing comes up and another thing comes up, the kind of a brain you have made here, you do not get to the joy part of it. But first thing that happens to you that you start feeling the collective consciousness, minimum of that. That you start feeling what's wrong with others, you start understanding, then you want to know what are the deities are there, then you want to find out [ALL or HOW...THESE?] are there, an' you want to find out all about the knowledge. You want to know about Sahaj Yog. Not so much of becoming is there. When becoming is there, only joy. Then you want to verify the truth, so the truth also dawns upon you. "Is he a Realized soul? Yes, he is. Is he? No." Then, "This is... this book is correct? Yes," because the vibrations are coming. "Is this a place which has come [up - DEL] to us as the authentic thing? Yes. 00:31:19 continues This is not, that is not." Like that you start verifying everything. Even people verify "whether I should buy this or not, should I buy that, should I do this," like that. They walk, you see, with their vibratory awareness all the time, using that. So the truth is born to them, they know what is truth, what is not. They can verify through their attention, their chitta, the truth. First your chitta gets enlightened, then in that enlightenment you find the truth. But the joy is still missing because of your ramblings. But to an uncomplicated person, if he gets his resurrection, he shoots off, he's not bother about these ramblings. Like a little birdie which is born out of the egg, starts thinking, "Now, how should I move my wings?" So it goes to a library and tries to find -[Laughter and Shri Mataji continues laughingly:]. If not it will consult other little, little birds, "Let us sit down and find out how do we move our wings." The wings have the power to rise. Allow them to rise. And that's what happens, that's why all these ramblings are there. So you go to the one side to the truth finding of everything. Then the attention is on more on collective consciousness than on the truth. So naturally, finding out truth about others, you see, immediately you say, "Oh, he is catching this, he's catching that, that's wrong with that and that's wrong with that." But if you are in the stage of joy, which I am - I don't know much about Sahaj Yoga, actually I come to know through you people - I am in complete joy. And there you see - you find, "Oh, he's catching like this, he's like this, some... this fellow has this problem and that fellow has that problem and that must be the reason that is there" - now they have all become birds. They are no more eggs now. Just a little bit of yolk here and there, you see, it's clinging to their body. Mother will cleanse them, finished. But what happens is that we still think they are still in the egg because they, they - you see, still go back to the shell, they're afraid to fly. So how can it fly, you see, it is in the shell and still worried about raising the wings out, see? Doesn't want to come out. So the shell has to fall off fully. Instead of taking out the shell, you also enter into your shell thinking, "Oh God, why is he in the shell? I better get into my shell as well." And this happens, with that the resurrection is delayed. Resurrection is only complete when you reach to the state of joy. But let’s see what happens to a ordinary villager in India when I give him Realization. He just has joy and he doesn't want to know anything about it. Knowing is not his job. He just knows joy. At the most he knows about the chakras and how it works and all those things, I mean, his style is looking from there - everything he sees everything so clearly, you see. We have some very big Sahaj Yogis in India, you know that, of a very great height. The other day I received a letter from one of them, and I was amazed the way he has - he's expressing himself, most amazed at it. He was talking just like Socrates. There's one fellow who met Me who was just an ordinary cart driver, you know these bullock carts we have, he was driving Me down in one of these processions we have there in a village. And I started talking to him. I was amazed, he was Kabira - just like that he was speaking to Me. He said, "The whole world is open to us now, the whole universe opens at me and wonders what a lotus I have become and my fragrance fills and -" I was amazed at him, the poetry he goes on with - a bullock cart driver. Because he didn't have any ramblings, he's there - he's reached there. And you ask him, "What's the matter with this fellow, how is he?" "Oh, he's coming up, he's very well, he's, he's very well now, much better, much better." Never would they tell Me that he's catching on this chakra or that chakra and all these details you see: "The schedule of the whole thing is that.... At 5 o'clock he was catching on his Nabhi. At 2 past 5 he was catching in his Heart. At 5 past 2 he was catching on his Agnya and then suddenly he was catching on his left Swadishthana. So now the answer, what he was he is suffering from?" Now you sit down for an examination. Because giving examination has been your habit. So you want to study the whole subject in a way as if you are appearing for your MBBS examination. And you want to write down the whole history of the patient and come down to a conclusion, and conclusion would be all wrong because by that time the person would have got Realization and would be checking your chakras. [Laughter.] This is the topsy turvy of Sahaj Yoga is, is the most interesting thing the way it plays with you and makes you understand that it is not the way you people go about losing all your sense of humor, becoming such serious people, and getting frustrated and then losing your tempers. No, it is joy in which one has to get into. And that joy you can have if you give up those ramblings. Like, some of them wrote a letter to Me saying that, "Mother, we went through Gregoire's book, it's very difficult for us, we just don't follow a word about it." While they are very great Sahaj Yogis. He said, "We've given up, You see we knew English all right but this is too much for us, it's too much we just can't get into it, You see? And part of it was all right when he said about seeking and when he met You. After that we don't know what is all that written there, we don't understand anything. So next time when You come, why not write another book, You see, which just says what we've found." So simple as they are, they are all educated people, not that they are not, but they do not have this complication. And these complications as we have in the West, we should be careful about it. It's just - I tell you why because somehow the movement is set in, in the West, and in everything we go to extremes, in everything. You give them anything, I mean, a simple thing you give them, you know. You tell them, "Now, I give you ten flowers, all right?" "You gave me ten flowers. All right." Then I take them to a vase put them there. No. You give ten flowers to a Western fellow. He'll write a letter to you, "Thank you very much for the two daffodils and one Daisy and one this and one that" and more. "And I know from what shop you've got them." And then they will go in the shop and find out how much I must have paid. Then they'll find out, "Now how to repay it back?" You see, because you've given them ten flowers, "Must be one more, eleven at least. How much will it cost?" So the costing will be there. All right, then they will sit down and find out what are the aesthetics of particular things are and then "Which one thinks should we give? And -" I mean, it's a headache, I tell you. A simple thing like giving ten flowers, just. This is going to one extreme. Now the problem is, with all this going, with all these happenings, where are we reduced to? What are we reduced to? Do you recognize? Do you see? What is the most important thing now for us? Not our economic activity. Is it? No? Even drinking activity is not important - of course, that is one of the second most, I think, or maybe the third most - or drugging? Nothing is important. The very rudimentary activity that every animal knows, has become the most important activity for Western mind. I mean, as if we are reduced to a sex point. I mean, it's something madness, I tell you. I mean you are resurrected now, you can see it so clearly but what about those who cannot see, what do you say to them? How do you talk to them? And this is the biggest problem. That you do not know where you are heading for, where are you, you have lost your moorings, you see, because of these ramblings. The moorings are lost. You cannot find out the depth where you are. It's like going all over the places, you land back in the same place. Like I'd seen a picture that some people who got drifted, you see, in an aeroplane and suddenly got fainted and all that, and they thought that they are going in the other outer space or something and landing in some new place. And they landed in a place, suddenly... and they found it was a very beautiful place. There was a river and a beautiful mountain - they thought they must have landed in moon or some planet which is such a beautiful, plentiful thing, you see? And they were very happily settled they said, "Now we'll settle down here nicely, make our home, just like Robin Hood and be very happy people." And with that idea they slept. And in the morning, they were awakened by an English policeman saying, "HEY you, what are you doing here?" And they were in England only. They flew from India, England and flew back into this place and they did not know where they were. In the imaginary world of this sex, you do not know that you are at the same rudimentary point, at the very base of it and you have done nothing, no advancement of any kind. Only thing you have created a hallucination, a very melodramatic stuff of the whole thing. And main basic problem is that. This is to be pointed out. This is to be understood. And once you start understanding as Sahaj Yogis, then you will realize how important it is for you people who are in the West to take to Sahaj Yoga in a very big way. And that is the reason also that joy is kept out of you for the time being. Because you must know those ramblings to explain to them. Because supposing you meet an Western philosopher, intellectual, I meet many of them, headaches I tell you, because I'm not so good at these things, you know. And they just start, "Did you read Mr... Madcap?" I said, "Who is that?" "Oh, he's PhD in that, M.A.D. in that." "I didn't read him." "Oh, he says..." "All right." You have to read the whole library to talk to any one of them, you see. And then they will say that, "You see, your this-thing doesn't befit our culture, no." Imagine, is that the culture of English or of Western people? The modern intellectuals, you see - what are they? The same rudimentary thing, that's all. Nothing more than that. They are telling you to retain your ego, just to do that. Everything ending up there. And here you have to confront such fools so is better that you know all analysis to talk to them. They don't want to hear about God, they don't want to hear about Christ, they don't want to hear about anybody else but a man who tells them to become just that. They are devaluation [fv: Shri Mataji may prefer the word DEVOLUTION] you can call it, not evolution. They're degradation, such a person is accepted today and regarded as God. So it is for Sahaj Yogis to understand and recognize the importance of their being Western people. How powerful they should be and how much willpower they should have to fight this, because this is the turning point. And for Me also this is the turning point. [Shri Mataji moves the mike.] You all have been... all Sahaja Yogis, there's nobody - ah have you come before, isn't it? [Person in audience says:] No, I'm new. Shri Mataji: Is it? I'm sorry. Can you, you give her her Realization today because today I, as usual, the time doesn't sit for Me and I don't sit for time. I have to go for something, which you understand. You are all invited in My house for dinner and everything is cooked there for you, those who want to go. Because I invited some they came in the morning... for lunch but I couldn't tell all of them. But I am going out, though I'm there. Those who can go and would like to have something to eat can go to My house. There's, I hope, it's sufficient. If not, I hope, somebody will look after that side. [fv; the following "corrections" are done phonetically only.] Achar-vachar bhi bahot hai gharme. Sab nikal lena aur khurdi-wudi banwale nagarin kaise. [translation: There are pickles and lot of stuff in the house, take it out and make some food out of it.] Those who want to go to My house are welcome and can taste the food that I prepared, and enjoy yourself. I'm sorry today, you see, I have to go but you'll get Realization, no problem. Did you get cool breeze in the hand? Nothing? Sure? Now just see that. Again the business of flying. Just see now, are you getting cool breeze or not. [New lady:] Here and here. Shri Mataji: Then it's all right, done. Now you fly. Fly out fast. Immediately. Fly out fast. If you settle down again back into the hole then it will be difficult, all right? She's got it. [This?:] 's was nice, give her some papers. I didn't know you were new, you see, but still it's all right, doesn't matter. These things were meant for Sahaj Yogis, you see, because they are really great people here, all very knowledgeable. [Some laughter.] Actually I have to learn from you many things. I don't know so many things, I tell you, and it was such a knowledge, I tell you, I read too much of it. So thank you very much and somebody has to guide them. [fv: phonetic correction:] Chaya? Unko leke jav aur itno ke liye to shayed nahi ho ga, lekin jarasa sotana chaval banalo. Aur kuch bana dega vo. aise kafi hai gharme, saman. Aj khanna de do sabko Jiten jana - [Chaya, take these people to home, there might not be sufficient food for so many of these, but you can make rice. And the other cook will also do something. Anyway there is lot of food in the house. Today give food to everyone.] Those who can go, would like to go, can go. All right? What's it? [Yogini:] Your coat. Shri Mataji: I have learnt some things in England, is to wear a coat. In the same way, you have to learn some things. [Shri Mataji gets up and moves away from microphone. She speaks to individuals before leaving:] May God bless you... Oh, thank you very much. (UNCLEAR: The reason is the (5 indistinguishable words).) All kinds of (VISAS?) you are getting since I have come here. Only you used to have (WHITE?), soon and all that, do you remember? Do you remember that (unclear: PICTURE THAT) he could never seek a (unclear: QUEEN TAPEMENT?). Before I had recognised you. ) Beautiful. Thank you. Shri Ganesh again. Just to compare. Now what did you give? It’s the sari which you gave Me if you remember, for Puja. Thank you. Have you found out the address? Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Did he telephone? Yogi: No well he's been... can't find out the telephone number, Mother. Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Yogi: He can't find out the telephone number. It's not in the book and the High Commission gave the wrong number. Shri Mataji: Alright. So, we’ll take about fifteen minutes. It’s beautiful. So, shall we go now? Thank you! Thank you very much. Yogini: How is Wilma? Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you now? Better? You are looking much better now, much better, eh? Looking so much younger, see? [Lady unclearly:]. Shri Mataji: Now don't be frightened of Me, all right? It’s going to work out. Now. Alright. Take a big one, Jeff (?) What do you call that? Yogini: Nutties. Shri Mataji: Hmm. We call it Nuggets. You can take them to My house. Our drawing room is lying very much in an upset condition. I hope you don't mind seeing. …is like that. All right, Bye. May God bless you. [Yogis:] Bye bye. (…)	null	null	null	The Egg and Rebirth, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 10 April 1980. The other day at the ashram I spoke to you about Easter, about the birth of Christ and His resurrection and the message of Christianity that is resurrection. An egg is a very significant thing and it is written in one of the ancient scriptures in India why Easter should be celebrated with an egg. Is most surprising. It's very clear there if one can see how Christ is symbolized as an egg. Now what is an egg? In Sanskrit language, a Brahmin is called as dwijaha. Dwihi jayeti means the one who is born twice. And a bird is also called, any bird, is called as a dwija, means twice born. Because first the bird is born as an egg and then reborn as a bird. In the same way a human being is born as an egg and then is born as a realized soul. Now see how significant it is that both are called by the same name. No other animal is called as dwija unless and until it has an egg-form first and then it comes out as a... another thing. For example no mammals, none of the mammals, are called as dwija except for human beings. It is remarkable in the zoology if you read that mammals do not lay their eggs, they give birth directly to their children. And we are also mammals. But despite that, human beings are called as dwijaha just like birds. So that means human beings, when they are born are eggs, or they become eggs. How do they become eggs? Is the way our ego and superego develop within us. Now you all being only Sahaj Yogis I think you understand what I'm saying. When the ego and superego... [ASIDE: What's this supposed to be?] When the ego and superego [ASIDE: - there's no chart is it?] develop in a human being, to the full extent and the fontanel bone area is completely calcified, then you become an egg. You get completely separated from your Mother, from all the pervading power of God and you are left to yourself as an egg till you mature within yourself inside the shell of the egg, in your freedom, to a point where you are ready for hatching. The Mother bird has to pierce on the head of the egg and you come out as birds. You're already there inside developed and then you fly out into the space of All Pervading Power of Divine Love. So how significant is Easter, and why Christ? He came on this earth because He had learnt the idea, He had practiced the idea, or we can say that He was an expert on this. That He could Himself surpass that hurdle by which He becomes [vadija/the dweeja], but He was that already. But how are you to believe that you can be dweejahas, you can be reborn? It was said by every religion, by every prophet, that you are to be born again. Unless and until you are reborn - that means baptism, not this kind of baptism but the real one - unless and until this shell is broken on your fontanel area, you cannot become the dweejaha. Is written in all the scriptures, said by all the prophets; somebody had to show you that this can be done. He being the divine power itself, the Pranava, He being the Brahma itself. His rebirth was resurrection, bodily resurrection, while yours is a resurrection which is in your consciousness. And you see it clearly. This is what is Easter is. Now we have to face in Sahaja Yoga ourselves in a full way. Christ was too great, but He came on this earth like an ordinary human being, went through all the pains and pangs of life, overcome the hurdle and became the eternal life. He was eternal life and He became eternal life and He is eternal life. But to show you that you have to also become eternal life, your consciousness must reside in that eternal life. That is only possible after realization if you know the value of that eternal life. If that is your priority, if that is the highest and you have to achieve that and nothing else. But actually we have been identified with so many things, like we can say in the egg stage we had the yolk and all these things, and we got contaminated by all the surroundings, that even when we are resurrected we cannot identify our self with the open space, still our wings have to grow, still we are afraid to fly. And at that time you are to be looked after. But if you are prone to go back into the egg stage, you can go back. This is the only difference between a human egg and a bird's egg. Though I would say a realized soul never loses his realization. But it can be so much overclouded that could be that the growth is stunted. The atmosphere in which you live is responsible for that. You must have your own willpower. You must have your own understanding, your own character to stand up to it. You'll be amazed that the chicken that we eat cannot fly but if you want to see them in the forest you'll be surprised they are one of the fastest moving birds. They are exactly the same as the chicken we have in the house. No difference if you put both of them together you'll find they are just the same - in the color, in their weight, in their appearances, in the way they walk, everything. But you put them together and at the slightest disturbance one will take off very high up while the other would not know where to run it will just [unclear onomatopoeia: parr] and go into a small place where it will be caught again and cut and finished. So if human beings have to understand the importance of eternal life, they must know that they can change the atmosphere. They are much more powerful than chickens are, aren't they? Chickens can be dominated by the atmosphere. But a realized soul, through his vibratory awareness, through the radiations that are passing through him can change the atmosphere. He can change his surroundings, he can change his friends, he can change his parents, his brothers, sisters, his relations, his surroundings - he can change his town, he can change his country and he can change the whole world. Now the Sahaj Yogis have a special responsibility because they are the first to transform themselves. I mean the modern ones. The old ones who are realized souls do not know Sahaj Yoga so they should not be called as Sahaj Yogis because they don't know about Kundalini, they don't know how to raise the Kundalini, they don't know anything. Moreover because they have certain amount of consciousness that they are different from others, either they are cynical or egoistical. So the responsibility of the Sahaj Yogis of modern times is so great that they are the pivotal point, they are the turning point. They are going to turn the wave, a wave that can save or mar. One wave can mar, kill thousands of people by its upward thrust towards a wrong direction and the same wave can save them to the shore. So the responsibility is very great and the importance of Sahaj Yogis is much greater than any saints who were born on this earth before. Because other saints did not know that if they were irresponsible what would happen to others. Some of them have written good books but I am sure, in between they have made mistakes. Those saints who have been great and realized souls did not know even one thousandth of what you know about Kundalini and they did not even have the power to raise the Kundalini of others and give them realization. Except for very few, like we can say John the Baptist, we had, who would make people [Laughingly:] go headlong into the water, into the water element to pierce them first... Dip them inside nicely again and again and with his vibrations would raise their Kundalini, but still I don't know if he gave realization to anyone. He could give because none of the people at that time speak like realized souls, still they are seeking, their seeking has not come to an end. Still they are not knowing. In India there are many people who have written about Self Realization. They were at a advantageous position because there are lots of books about it. While the disciples of Christ did not have that advantage otherwise they would have also written a lot. But writing is not the main thing. You can make out a realized soul by the way he speaks. If he's not a realized soul, if he’s still half-baked you can find out. You can very easily find out a half baked Sahaj Yogi, as you can find out an egg which is rotten. You don't have to break it to find out that it is smelling. You can see from the weight, you can make it out if the egg is all right or not, even by putting it in the water. There are so many simple methods of finding out if the egg is rotten or not. There are some eggs which are about to be rotten. Some are absolutely rotten and some are absolutely smelling. So forget about them. Now one of the first things that happens to realized souls is that their attention goes to the most rotten ones, you see, and to oblige Me, they bring them down to Me - the most rotten ones which are incorrigible and I go on struggling with them. I do not know why such a psychology should exist within us that we get the most difficult ones to Mother, to present Her with the most challenging task, to give Her the greatest holiest position. But, I have no regrets about it, neither I have any complaints, but time is wasted, time is really wasted quite a lot. So is better to find out people who are not that rotten, to get people who are just all right, not very much spoilt, otherwise if the shells are broken, if the whole yolk has fallen down then how are we to gather it? Now we have most of the eggs quite safe but we have no way of approaching them, because the contamination that takes place on these eggs is because of heat: they get spoilt. The heat as you have seen in the body also is caused by diseases like cancer or anything that comes as heat from a Sahaj Yogi means there's something wrong. And the warmth of the Mother bird only gives realization to the little eggs as birds. In the same way, it is the warmth of the divine love which does the job. But still human beings do not realize the importance, best are those who fly at the first opening. Those who do not, sit down and sulk and think and analyze or afraid or frightened or start wondering their progress is very slow. Because at the instant of their birth is a tremendous force behind him and they can easily go out. But if you sulk and think of your fears, the fear will settle down in your limbs and in your wings and you cannot fly. The thinking and analysis that is going on after Realization makes the wings very heavy. That's why I've seen people who get Realization in the villages of India, where the people are least complicated, take to their wings without any fear, just [they ] I find they are flying in the air, and they manage to learn flying as if it is their birthright. They are just there - no problem. Whenever they want they can come down, and again be there. But those who become heavy with fears or with egos and their misidentifications, fly a little, again flop down - fly a little, again flop down. Every time they flop down something happens to them, they are hurt, they try to hurt Me by blaming Me for what has happened to them. This is the worst part of it. Because they think I asked them to fly, that's why they have fallen down. I give even that much concession because they are still young, still quite naive, but best thing is to take to your wings as soon as you get Realization. Now why I'm telling you this, specially to the people who have already achieved quite a lot, because you took lot of time, most of you. So now when you bring new people, when you talk to new people, tell them that, "We have done all these mistakes and we were real slow masters. And we used to walk three paces forward and four paces backwards. Now we would request you to take to this flight and have the joy." The third thing which is very important to be understood is that, that the mind which is so confused-a-terminology, I don't know what English word "mind" means, but if you think mind is your intellect by which you think, is the buddhi, then this mind has had many ramblings, in the West, specially. So the complication is much worse because the mind has gone round and round and round. So the first impact of Realization, of this resurrection, is seldom of joy. And even if it is of joy, one comes down. It may be in many cases that the joy comes only for an hour or so, and then you come back to your position. Then again you start rising, now when you start rising you face your complications and your complicated methods. First of all ,your priorities have been wrong because of your intellectual ways of doing things. Priorities like wasting your energy on petty things as we do always. Say... "now this is not fixed properly." So... just to lose temper on that. Somebody comes late, then you are angry. The norms, you see, that are made as important, that you have to be in time, "time is very important" - for what? Because we won the war, Waterloo war, because of time. But nobody's going to fight here a war, do you see? We are not doing the same jobs what these people were doing, you see, we are not soldiers who had to fight a war, we are soldiers of patience. So time is the... identification is too much with to-the-dot time business. Then there are double forces which comes into play. One is your identification with the time and the other is My play of befooling you. You'll never get things in time after Realization. It will be all untimely, then you will realize that it was stupidity. Because straight away you do not understand. Simple identification like time, if you go little further with it, see now in Kundalini what is the timing? Can you say what time you are going to get your Realization? At what time exactly according to watch. My watch is... just now is 7:30 but it could be 7, could be quarter to 7, could be 6, could be 1. It's My own watch I'll have it the way I want to. In the same way, you are not to be the slave of the watch. Now, the timing... [Laughingly:] if you try other tricks also, any such things like foolish things like that. For example, people are very particular about the mannerism of others, not their own, but about others. If the other has a little peculiar mannerism, finished - then they have no patience for that person. It is so outside a person, because you are not seeing the inside of a person. And when these misidentifications stick onto you too much, then I have to do something about it, isn't it? I mean what - there's no other way but to play tricks with you. Then you get confused with Sahaj Yoga. You think, "Oh, I was very much all right, what's the matter?" There was a lady in America whom I gave Realization. She was an Indian lady running a shop, imagine, an Indian running a shop in America - had it. Ah, I mean, she was nothing but a shop. She couldn't think of anything else but her shop. And she knew everything whatever was in the shop. She knew all the pricing, she knew everything, her profits, this thing, that thing. And when she got Realization she forgot all about it. She just forgot and she didn't know where she had things, you know. And she was quite worried, she said, "What has happened to me now? I am not worried about the shop and I don't remember where I have put the things and this things happens and all that..." But the result was, though she was so much worried and upset, that she was making a big profit, much bigger than it was before. And she couldn't understand what was the matter, how was it she was in such a mess. And she started telling Me, "Mother, I can't understand, this has happened and I was so confused that I lost all my sense of direction, of time and everything and I was making such a lot of profit. So how is it? What is happening to me? I mean, I don't understand how do work it now." And she was very good at accounts, you see, but she could not do any accounting. And ultimately she found that without doing any accounting, the money she gathered was quite a lot. And the things started prospering. So I said, "Now leave it that way, why do you want to worry, to get back to the same position where you had to write every one dollar, two dollars?" Now she says, "I have to write by hundred dollars, see it's the thing is like that." Now what happens really when this happens you go beyond thoughts. And when you go beyond thoughts, accept that as a blessing, accept that as your achievement, accept that as your resurrection. Because you go beyond thoughts and with thoughts you have been doing all these meticulous things, you see, your thoughts disappear and you do not get those information, and those... complete efficiency, you see - recording by which you know you are efficient or not. Your efficiency to look at goes down, but on the whole because you are in thoughtless awareness the whole dynamism of God's working starts working for you and you are amazed at the results and you are absolutely relaxed. As if all of them start working for you and you are just watching the way it is and wondering what it is. But unless and until you understand the importance of that thoughtless awareness, that point as - this is the point where I have to speak - in the same way, you understand the importance of that thoughtless awareness, of your resurrection, of your entering into the realm of Divine blessings, you will stick onto your thoughts. Then you start working out on your thoughts and there I play that nothing will work out according to your thoughts, and will be very obvious. You'll think of something, plan about something - it must fail. If it does not fail, you'll not give up your thoughts. And then people again get confused that, "Mother, I wanted to do this but I wanted to do this, I believed in it." So all your beliefs and all your wants get absolutely neutralized and you are bewildered. Because you have to leave all these things in the hands of God. He does everything, you do not do anything. He is almighty. When there is Almighty to do work for you, why do you want to do it unnecessarily? Just to pamper your ego and the ego is also wrong because you do not do anything. Just think of it. God only can have ego because He does everything while your ego has no meaning, it doesn't do anything. And because of these ramblings around, the way you have made your brain - you see, every time something comes up and then another… 00:31:17 MISSING thing comes up and another thing comes up, the kind of a brain you have made here, you do not get to the joy part of it. But first thing that happens to you that you start feeling the collective consciousness, minimum of that. That you start feeling what's wrong with others, you start understanding, then you want to know what are the deities are there, then you want to find out [ALL or HOW...THESE?] are there, an' you want to find out all about the knowledge. You want to know about Sahaj Yog. Not so much of becoming is there. When becoming is there, only joy. Then you want to verify the truth, so the truth also dawns upon you. "Is he a Realized soul? Yes, he is. Is he? No." Then, "This is... this book is correct? Yes," because the vibrations are coming. "Is this a place which has come [up - DEL] to us as the authentic thing? Yes. 00:31:19 continues This is not, that is not." Like that you start verifying everything. Even people verify "whether I should buy this or not, should I buy that, should I do this," like that. They walk, you see, with their vibratory awareness all the time, using that. So the truth is born to them, they know what is truth, what is not. They can verify through their attention, their chitta, the truth. First your chitta gets enlightened, then in that enlightenment you find the truth. But the joy is still missing because of your ramblings. But to an uncomplicated person, if he gets his resurrection, he shoots off, he's not bother about these ramblings. Like a little birdie which is born out of the egg, starts thinking, "Now, how should I move my wings?" So it goes to a library and tries to find -[Laughter and Shri Mataji continues laughingly:]. If not it will consult other little, little birds, "Let us sit down and find out how do we move our wings." The wings have the power to rise. Allow them to rise. And that's what happens, that's why all these ramblings are there. So you go to the one side to the truth finding of everything. Then the attention is on more on collective consciousness than on the truth. So naturally, finding out truth about others, you see, immediately you say, "Oh, he is catching this, he's catching that, that's wrong with that and that's wrong with that." But if you are in the stage of joy, which I am - I don't know much about Sahaj Yoga, actually I come to know through you people - I am in complete joy. And there you see - you find, "Oh, he's catching like this, he's like this, some... this fellow has this problem and that fellow has that problem and that must be the reason that is there" - now they have all become birds. They are no more eggs now. Just a little bit of yolk here and there, you see, it's clinging to their body. Mother will cleanse them, finished. But what happens is that we still think they are still in the egg because they, they - you see, still go back to the shell, they're afraid to fly. So how can it fly, you see, it is in the shell and still worried about raising the wings out, see? Doesn't want to come out. So the shell has to fall off fully. Instead of taking out the shell, you also enter into your shell thinking, "Oh God, why is he in the shell? I better get into my shell as well." And this happens, with that the resurrection is delayed. Resurrection is only complete when you reach to the state of joy. But let’s see what happens to a ordinary villager in India when I give him Realization. He just has joy and he doesn't want to know anything about it. Knowing is not his job. He just knows joy. At the most he knows about the chakras and how it works and all those things, I mean, his style is looking from there - everything he sees everything so clearly, you see. We have some very big Sahaj Yogis in India, you know that, of a very great height. The other day I received a letter from one of them, and I was amazed the way he has - he's expressing himself, most amazed at it. He was talking just like Socrates. There's one fellow who met Me who was just an ordinary cart driver, you know these bullock carts we have, he was driving Me down in one of these processions we have there in a village. And I started talking to him. I was amazed, he was Kabira - just like that he was speaking to Me. He said, "The whole world is open to us now, the whole universe opens at me and wonders what a lotus I have become and my fragrance fills and -" I was amazed at him, the poetry he goes on with - a bullock cart driver. Because he didn't have any ramblings, he's there - he's reached there. And you ask him, "What's the matter with this fellow, how is he?" "Oh, he's coming up, he's very well, he's, he's very well now, much better, much better." Never would they tell Me that he's catching on this chakra or that chakra and all these details you see: "The schedule of the whole thing is that.... At 5 o'clock he was catching on his Nabhi. At 2 past 5 he was catching in his Heart. At 5 past 2 he was catching on his Agnya and then suddenly he was catching on his left Swadishthana. So now the answer, what he was he is suffering from?" Now you sit down for an examination. Because giving examination has been your habit. So you want to study the whole subject in a way as if you are appearing for your MBBS examination. And you want to write down the whole history of the patient and come down to a conclusion, and conclusion would be all wrong because by that time the person would have got Realization and would be checking your chakras. [Laughter.] This is the topsy turvy of Sahaj Yoga is, is the most interesting thing the way it plays with you and makes you understand that it is not the way you people go about losing all your sense of humor, becoming such serious people, and getting frustrated and then losing your tempers. No, it is joy in which one has to get into. And that joy you can have if you give up those ramblings. Like, some of them wrote a letter to Me saying that, "Mother, we went through Gregoire's book, it's very difficult for us, we just don't follow a word about it." While they are very great Sahaj Yogis. He said, "We've given up, You see we knew English all right but this is too much for us, it's too much we just can't get into it, You see? And part of it was all right when he said about seeking and when he met You. After that we don't know what is all that written there, we don't understand anything. So next time when You come, why not write another book, You see, which just says what we've found." So simple as they are, they are all educated people, not that they are not, but they do not have this complication. And these complications as we have in the West, we should be careful about it. It's just - I tell you why because somehow the movement is set in, in the West, and in everything we go to extremes, in everything. You give them anything, I mean, a simple thing you give them, you know. You tell them, "Now, I give you ten flowers, all right?" "You gave me ten flowers. All right." Then I take them to a vase put them there. No. You give ten flowers to a Western fellow. He'll write a letter to you, "Thank you very much for the two daffodils and one Daisy and one this and one that" and more. "And I know from what shop you've got them." And then they will go in the shop and find out how much I must have paid. Then they'll find out, "Now how to repay it back?" You see, because you've given them ten flowers, "Must be one more, eleven at least. How much will it cost?" So the costing will be there. All right, then they will sit down and find out what are the aesthetics of particular things are and then "Which one thinks should we give? And -" I mean, it's a headache, I tell you. A simple thing like giving ten flowers, just. This is going to one extreme. Now the problem is, with all this going, with all these happenings, where are we reduced to? What are we reduced to? Do you recognize? Do you see? What is the most important thing now for us? Not our economic activity. Is it? No? Even drinking activity is not important - of course, that is one of the second most, I think, or maybe the third most - or drugging? Nothing is important. The very rudimentary activity that every animal knows, has become the most important activity for Western mind. I mean, as if we are reduced to a sex point. I mean, it's something madness, I tell you. I mean you are resurrected now, you can see it so clearly but what about those who cannot see, what do you say to them? How do you talk to them? And this is the biggest problem. That you do not know where you are heading for, where are you, you have lost your moorings, you see, because of these ramblings. The moorings are lost. You cannot find out the depth where you are. It's like going all over the places, you land back in the same place. Like I'd seen a picture that some people who got drifted, you see, in an aeroplane and suddenly got fainted and all that, and they thought that they are going in the other outer space or something and landing in some new place. And they landed in a place, suddenly... and they found it was a very beautiful place. There was a river and a beautiful mountain - they thought they must have landed in moon or some planet which is such a beautiful, plentiful thing, you see? And they were very happily settled they said, "Now we'll settle down here nicely, make our home, just like Robin Hood and be very happy people." And with that idea they slept. And in the morning, they were awakened by an English policeman saying, "HEY you, what are you doing here?" And they were in England only. They flew from India, England and flew back into this place and they did not know where they were. In the imaginary world of this sex, you do not know that you are at the same rudimentary point, at the very base of it and you have done nothing, no advancement of any kind. Only thing you have created a hallucination, a very melodramatic stuff of the whole thing. And main basic problem is that. This is to be pointed out. This is to be understood. And once you start understanding as Sahaj Yogis, then you will realize how important it is for you people who are in the West to take to Sahaj Yoga in a very big way. And that is the reason also that joy is kept out of you for the time being. Because you must know those ramblings to explain to them. Because supposing you meet an Western philosopher, intellectual, I meet many of them, headaches I tell you, because I'm not so good at these things, you know. And they just start, "Did you read Mr... Madcap?" I said, "Who is that?" "Oh, he's PhD in that, M.A.D. in that." "I didn't read him." "Oh, he says..." "All right." You have to read the whole library to talk to any one of them, you see. And then they will say that, "You see, your this-thing doesn't befit our culture, no." Imagine, is that the culture of English or of Western people? The modern intellectuals, you see - what are they? The same rudimentary thing, that's all. Nothing more than that. They are telling you to retain your ego, just to do that. Everything ending up there. And here you have to confront such fools so is better that you know all analysis to talk to them. They don't want to hear about God, they don't want to hear about Christ, they don't want to hear about anybody else but a man who tells them to become just that. They are devaluation [fv: Shri Mataji may prefer the word DEVOLUTION] you can call it, not evolution. They're degradation, such a person is accepted today and regarded as God. So it is for Sahaj Yogis to understand and recognize the importance of their being Western people. How powerful they should be and how much willpower they should have to fight this, because this is the turning point. And for Me also this is the turning point. [Shri Mataji moves the mike.] You all have been... all Sahaja Yogis, there's nobody - ah have you come before, isn't it? [Person in audience says:] No, I'm new. Shri Mataji: Is it? I'm sorry. Can you, you give her her Realization today because today I, as usual, the time doesn't sit for Me and I don't sit for time. I have to go for something, which you understand. You are all invited in My house for dinner and everything is cooked there for you, those who want to go. Because I invited some they came in the morning... for lunch but I couldn't tell all of them. But I am going out, though I'm there. Those who can go and would like to have something to eat can go to My house. There's, I hope, it's sufficient. If not, I hope, somebody will look after that side. [fv; the following "corrections" are done phonetically only.] Achar-vachar bhi bahot hai gharme. Sab nikal lena aur khurdi-wudi banwale nagarin kaise. [translation: There are pickles and lot of stuff in the house, take it out and make some food out of it.] Those who want to go to My house are welcome and can taste the food that I prepared, and enjoy yourself. I'm sorry today, you see, I have to go but you'll get Realization, no problem. Did you get cool breeze in the hand? Nothing? Sure? Now just see that. Again the business of flying. Just see now, are you getting cool breeze or not. [New lady:] Here and here. Shri Mataji: Then it's all right, done. Now you fly. Fly out fast. Immediately. Fly out fast. If you settle down again back into the hole then it will be difficult, all right? She's got it. [This?:] 's was nice, give her some papers. I didn't know you were new, you see, but still it's all right, doesn't matter. These things were meant for Sahaj Yogis, you see, because they are really great people here, all very knowledgeable. [Some laughter.] Actually I have to learn from you many things. I don't know so many things, I tell you, and it was such a knowledge, I tell you, I read too much of it. So thank you very much and somebody has to guide them. [fv: phonetic correction:] Chaya? Unko leke jav aur itno ke liye to shayed nahi ho ga, lekin jarasa sotana chaval banalo. Aur kuch bana dega vo. aise kafi hai gharme, saman. Aj khanna de do sabko Jiten jana - [Chaya, take these people to home, there might not be sufficient food for so many of these, but you can make rice. And the other cook will also do something. Anyway there is lot of food in the house. Today give food to everyone.] Those who can go, would like to go, can go. All right? What's it? [Yogini:] Your coat. Shri Mataji: I have learnt some things in England, is to wear a coat. In the same way, you have to learn some things. [Shri Mataji gets up and moves away from microphone. She speaks to individuals before leaving:] May God bless you... Oh, thank you very much. (UNCLEAR: The reason is the (5 indistinguishable words).) All kinds of (VISAS?) you are getting since I have come here. Only you used to have (WHITE?), soon and all that, do you remember? Do you remember that (unclear: PICTURE THAT) he could never seek a (unclear: QUEEN TAPEMENT?). Before I had recognised you. ) Beautiful. Thank you. Shri Ganesh again. Just to compare. Now what did you give? It’s the sari which you gave Me if you remember, for Puja. Thank you. Have you found out the address? Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Did he telephone? Yogi: No well he's been... can't find out the telephone number, Mother. Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Yogi: He can't find out the telephone number. It's not in the book and the High Commission gave the wrong number. Shri Mataji: Alright. So, we’ll take about fifteen minutes. It’s beautiful. So, shall we go now? Thank you! Thank you very much. Yogini: How is Wilma? Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you now? Better? You are looking much better now, much better, eh? Looking so much younger, see? [Lady unclearly:]. Shri Mataji: Now don't be frightened of Me, all right? It’s going to work out. Now. Alright. Take a big one, Jeff (?) What do you call that? Yogini: Nutties. Shri Mataji: Hmm. We call it Nuggets. You can take them to My house. Our drawing room is lying very much in an upset condition. I hope you don't mind seeing. …is like that. All right, Bye. May God bless you. [Yogis:] Bye bye. (…)
4/12/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=4622	The Force within	England	Birmingham	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	49	Public Program, "Sahaja Yoga - The Force Within". Birmingham (UK), 12 April 1980. [Introduction by Mr. Bala Kanayson] Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm glad you could all come down this evening, we are all very glad, all of us in Birmingham and the other Sahaja Yogis who have come tonight, that Shri Mataji has graced us with Her presence and as you have probably noticed we have also had very good weather today and the sun has shone and kept it quite warm.Now Shri Mataji has perfected a technique known as “Sahaja Yoga” whereby one attains one’s Self-realisation. “Sahaja” means born with, so it is a technique whereby one achieves Realisation. Now for me to try and describe Shri Mataji's power and personality in words is impossible, so I'm not going to try, further more we only have a few hours this evening and I would like Shri Mataji to talk to you, so I won't take up too much of your time.Now the technique deals with the Kundalini which is an energy within you and Shri Mataji trough Her power, through Her Nature, is able to awaken it within each and every one of us. Now for this to happen tonight, because it will happen in you, all you have to do is to keep an open mind. Now you don't have to absolutely believe anything but also you don't have to reject it before it even happens. So I would ask you all first of all to place your hands towards Shri Mataji, like this, you can rest your hands on your laps, relax and listen to what Shri Mataji has to say with an open mind. Thank you. Shri Mataji: I'm extremely happy that again I'm back here in Birmingham to meet you all. As Bala has already told you, "Sahaja" means born with you. There are many things which are born with us of which we are aware: We are aware of our eyes, we are aware of our nose, our hands, and we use them also with all our full awareness about it. But we have many other things within us about which we are not aware. Now the first part of it, that there is a residual force within us, which is called as Kundalini, is partly believed and partly not believed. In India, because people accept what saints tell them, they have seen that saints have been able to give realisation to people, they absolutely believe that there is a residual force called as Kundalini within us. But in the West, where everything is analysed before it is found out, where everything is discussed before one has reached there. It’s rather difficult to accept that there could exist something called as Kundalini as a residual force within us. Because of the habit of the mind, one immediately jumps into a discussion, an analysis about Kundalini, but the way to neutralise it is this way; that God has created us or whatsoever you may call it, Nature, from amoeba to this stage. He has taken so much trouble or the nature has taken so much trouble, to create this complex personality of a human being. What is the sense of creating someone like that, if it has no meaning? If it is not going to do anything better than what other animals have been doing? What is the need to create a human being who can even control nature and can use nature to its purpose, and sensible man who thinks his time is valuable would not create anything which is useless? In the same way, we can deduct an conclude that if God is a sensible gentleman, then he would not spend his time, making us so beautifully assembled, evolved, to be human beings without any purpose. There must be some purpose behind it and if there is a purpose, He must have already arranged something by which we achieve that purpose. For example, if you purchase this instrument in the market, you will immediately look out for some sort of a cord which connects it to the mains, otherwise this has no meaning. In the same way, within us there must be something placed. Such a power exists within us, is a fact and you can see with your naked eye this power pulsating in the sacrum bone. Sacrum bone is the triangular bone, white one that you … see, at the base of our spine, which is a bone normally does not move even one thousand of an inch. Even one thousand of an inch, it’s a fixed bone, and you see a complete heart-like movement of that bone when the Kundalini rises, with your naked eyes, whether you are a Sahaja Yogi or not makes no difference, whether you are a realised soul or not makes no difference. So, there is something inside that which pulsates. Then with a stethoscope you can feel the rising of the Kundalini. You can feel it, the throbbing, going into your spine, coming onto your head here in the fontanelle area, and making this bone soft and after some time that sound disappears, you feel absolutely blissful, relaxed and a radiation of cool breeze starts flowing from your fingers. Now one can say that, the second part of it, that there is a Kundalini or not we have to treat it as if it is some hypothesis. Like only open-minded scientist we should look at it from a hypothetical angle that see this is the hypothesis somebody’s putting forward, let’s see if it works out or not. If it does then it proves the law, if it does not, it does not, because now we are talking about something unknown. But is it not that in the science also first when we hear of something new it is unknown to us because whatever is known is already outside and whatever is unknown is to be discovered and if there is some discovery then you must keep a very, very open mind about it.Because of various experiences of mine I should say especially this year, I find people have become very sceptical about this word like new awareness, new dimension to your understanding and all those things, because all these words are used these days to befool people and float an enterprise. Now I would not blame them so much as I would blame people who take to them, because that they are that cunning, because they are making use of your simple nature, because you are seeking. It’s not only blame, but I condemn all they, all of them for doing such a thing to seekers. It’s the greatest sin that a person could do is to mislead a true seeker and if they are doing that you must also know that you have every way of finding out if a person is truthful or not. First of all, one should know that if evolution has to take place it has to be absolutely spontaneous, and you cannot pay for your evolution. What did you pay to be a human being? You cannot pay for God’s love if God’s love has created you into this beautiful human being. It’s absurd. Just look at it, it’s absolutely absurd that you pay for anything like that. Now they may say that, “Yes, we have to pay for a hall”. All right, that’s not much. But why pay for the maintenance of these lethargic parasites? But when it comes to such horrible people, I find, that the seekers do not question. They just go headlong into it. The reason is they are mesmerized, there’s not freedom in them and that’s why I like it that you are open minded, but you are alert and that you are not going to take me for granted. You have to get it, you have to feel it and you have to know it, then you do not believe me, that means you are adamant. That should not be so because you have been seeking not today, for ages you have been seeking. It was promised that you will be awarded. Long, long, long, many years back, NALA was, he was even before Krishna, before Rama, caught hold of Kali. Kali is the generator, generator of modern times and he asked him that, “I must kill you, or you, the horrible fellow, when your manifestation will start on this earth, you’ll create such chaos that people will try to commit suicide to get out of that kind of a life that you will be creating”. So, he was threatened. He said, “I must kill you”. So, Kali said, “Now Listen, you must know my importance, ‘mahatmi’, you must know my importance. If you know my importance, you would not do that to me”. So, he said, “What is your importance? Of all the things you are such a horrible man; you are going to create problems in families, in nations, everywhere you are going to create such wars and things when you will manifest, why shouldn’t I kill you once for all so that nobody goes through all That?” He said, “Only, there’s one great thing about me is this, that when I will be manifesting, when my Kali Yuga will be coming, then all those saints who are seeking God, in the jungles and forests and in the temples and in the churches and everywhere- at that time there were no churches but you say, places where they worshipped- all of them will be rewarded in Kali Yuga”. And it has been again and again promised that the time is going to come and you’ll be amazed that fifty years back there were hardly any seekers whatsoever. There were people who just were born produced children and died with a big insurance or something and give lot of money to their children with complete satisfaction. They never had this feeling and hankering, this er, kind of an urge to know what they are, what is the purpose of life. Is in, only in the modern times we find that there are so many seekers on one side and there are so many on the other side. It’s a big battle of wits among people that they don’t know. Now we have here in Birmingham two persons who are very good Sahaja Yogis. When they came to me, they were very badly off. So, I asked one of them that, “Give me the list of gurus you have been”. When he gave me the list it occupied two and a half pages with both the sides written down, horrible gurus [Laughter] he has been! But I must tell you that he’s completely cured, and is back, in Sahaja Yoga with such a beautiful understanding of Sahaja Yoga. Enjoying the purpose for which he come on this earth. So, what is the purpose of human beings? We come to that. Again, it is hypothetical. Don’t start asking question because the mind is moving into a question. I’m trying to answer your questions in my lecture so keep your mind little silent to understand. What is our purpose in life? What is the purpose of this instrument? It has to carry my voice. So, what is the purpose of human beings is, that they are so created by God, that they are his beloved children, that He wants to bestow all his powers upon them, that He wants them to reign in His kingdom, that He wants to feel and carry the powers of their Father who is so generous, who is compassion, who is a Father who does not want anything for himself but would like to give everything that he has to his own children. We can’t imagine of such a father in these modern times but He is an eternal Father. He doesn’t change with timing and this is what He has decided long time back. He brought you up to this point and the time has come for you to get that power within you. The spark is within you, resides in your heart as Spirit. This is the absolute point within. We are actually finding out our absolute. We live on relative terms all the time, relatively we start judging. That’s why there is confusion. There is no absolute understanding about any problem whatsoever. If you ask them, “What do you think of, say, Khomeni?” They’ll say, “Maybe right, maybe wrong, the Shah may be right, may be wrong”. You ask them any other problem about inflation, they’ll say, “Maybe right, maybe wrong”. Nobody is sure about it, what the reason is, because we are living in a relative world. But there must be some method by which we get connected to this absolute and when these radiations start flowing from your own being you start verifying them by asking questions. Say, you ask a question “Is there God?”. Immediately, you’ll feel a cool breeze flowing into you. A question just asked “Is there God?” is an absolute question and you’ll feel a cool breeze “Yes” flowing. These are the radiations of your own Spirit which informs you, “Yes, there is God” and all absolute questions can be answered by your evolution into this new awareness. The term which is very badly used by so many false people. But when you believe them even seeing the way they are, you must know that you were mesmerized, that under that mesmerism you believed into it. You do not know what powers you have, you do not know where you are, you cannot find out your moorings, you move in them as if you are going blindly into some alley from where you cannot return, but in Sahaja Yoga you will know each and everything within yourself and within other people. So, first of all, what you get is enlightenment of your attention, especially in places where people are more intellectual, where they are more rational people first thing that happens is not the joy. It’s my experiences now. But you get your attention enlightened means wherever you put your attention you get an answer. For example, we had a Sahaja Yogi, not now, now it’s very easy so don’t wore, be worried. That was the time, so six people with whom I was struggling one of them when he got his Realisation still, he was sceptical, he said, “How can that be, I could be actualising collective consciousness?” So, one day his finger at this base, this finger started burning so he asked me “What is this finger, Mother?”. I said, “This is the finger of the throat” or of the Vishuddhi Chakra which has got sixteen sub-plexuses you can see that. So, I said “This is the place of your father, these are his centres, must be your father is down with throat trouble, Bronchitis something like that.” He telephoned home, in Scotland and his mother said that the father is very sick with Bronchitis. For this is just the beginning but then it becomes a system with you, you just start understanding. Now he believed that he was collectively conscious. So, you become collectively conscious, you actualise it, it really happens to you. It’s a happening that takes place. Not the experience like somebody said that you go to that guru and he gives you and how much did you pay. Three hundred pound for getting. And then hysteria ultimately ending into epilepsy. Not that way. It is- actually, you can feel a little burning to indicate, to report to you what’s wrong with you or what’s wrong with another person. Also, you know how to correct it. Cancer, now I have been saying for the last ten years or more, that cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga. Of course, there are many other diseases apart from cancer. Because there is seeing within and because one does not find it cancer is set in, because of the struggle, cancer is set in, now I will show you how we are within ourselves and then also I’ll tell you how we contract cancer. (aside) Can you see it clearly? Hum. Now this is a human being we have shown in a magnified way and that is the triangular bone, you can see there which has got the residual power, coiled together in three and a half coils called as Kundalini. Below that is a centre and above there are six centres, you see it for yourself. Now this Kundalini is the power which gets awakened and rises through these centres in the central path and opens here the area and you become collectively conscious because you reach the subtler awareness by which you become one with the All-pervading power. Now whether there is All-pervading power or not. Whether there is God or not. Whether Christ was a liar or he told you the truth, everything could be found out through this happening. Unless and until you are connected to the mains nothing can, could be found out and you must be connected to your mains for which you cannot pay, for which you cannot stand on your head, you cannot do anything, is a spontaneous thing which happens, it is happening to you in my presence but later on it will happen to others in your presence. It is like one candle which is enlightened, can enlighten another candle. So, there is no give and take, there’s no er, problem of saying that I have given you this and you give me that, it’s already made there and you just have to be connected to that all pervading power by which you get those powers which are radiating from your Spirit. So, these seven centres are within us, about which I will be telling you tomorrow in detail. So, what are these seven centres are but these centres exist within us and are manifesting outside on the gross as plexuses, on the gross only for our physical being. For example, the first centre which is down below is manifesting as pelvic plexus. Now you see there are four angles or four petals to this, in the same way in the pelvic plexus also there are four sub-plexuses but is only for the physical thing. Now the other one is. It has got six sub-plexuses, another one has got twelve, then you have got another one, the other, or, the one he showed green one has ten, the one he is showing now has twelve, the one that is there is sixteen, then two, and there are one thousand. Like that we have got a, these centres placed within us. Now this is not important to know at all, what is important is that you should be first connected. Supposing you want to use this is it necessary to go into the whole machinery of it and opening it out so that you can never connect it? It is a very simple thing, is very simple, just like a primula, the germinating power in a seed takes its own course, it’s that simple. For that do you go into the seed and find out how does it do, you pull it out, it just happens spontaneously. In the same way if God has made you that way it has to happen within you. It is your right to get it, you are made for it and that’s how you are going to get it. For that God himself is anxious apart from your seeking you do not know what anxiety he has about it and how anxious he is because he known why you were made. You see that beauty within all those who are seeking and you understand what they are, what beautiful personalities are hidden under these so-called unhappy people and a person who knows that will work relentlessly to expose that beauty, because even supposing I have that, cannot enjoy it. Unless and until you all get it. It’s something where I always say a capitalism and, or communism meet. That even if you have all the powers what’s the use, you cannot enjoy them unless and until is shared. So, the whole thing becomes a sharing capitalism. And that’s what one happens, it happens to all of you. You will have to do the same way and then you start living a very bigger life by which you understand what is your whole. In our seeking we are actually finding out our whole…meness. We feel lost, we feel disintegrated. It’s a situation when cancer develops within us. Same situation, that one cell starts growing, big, on their own, you see, naturally one cell becomes. A nose starts becoming big or the eyes start becoming big oppressing all other cells, not related to the whole. When that happens, cancer sets in. As you will see here there are three channels. The first, the blue cannel represents the desiring within you, the power by which you desire. The second yellow one represents your power of action “Griha Shakti” and the centre one is the power of your evolution. Because of this central power you have evolved into a human being and because of the same power you are going to be higher human being. Now these three powers are represented or we can say manifested outside in the gross as sympathetic and parasympathetic. The left one represents a left sympathetic, the right one the right sympathetic and the central as the parasympathetic. Now the parasympathetic nervous system gives us the balance, the coordination, the complete understanding and also the refuelling of powers. The parasympathetic nervous system is not known much to medical sciences. They don’t understand it, they call it autonomous. They say it is run by auto, now who is this auto? By giving a name of branding something, you do not solve the problem and this is the autonomous nervous system which comes into action. For example, when say you are running you increase the beat of your heart but, after sometime, automatically your heart comes to normal. Now what acts to bring this heart to normal is the parasympathetic and this parasympathetic nervous system is beyond our conscious mind, we cannot handle it, we cannot reduce the rate of our heart. It is beyond our conscious effort but once this happens it becomes under our conscious effort so that you become a master of yourself. The idea, say, of liberty, of freedom is very relative today. We think supposing we are allowed to drink then we are very free, alright you are free in a way but you are not free in another way, because drinking will make you slave of drink. One way is that your ego feels satisfied. “Oh! I’m allowed, I’ll want I’ll drink otherwise I’ll not drink no one can force me”, but you start drinking the drink itself will sit on your head and make a slave out of you. So, our idea of freedom is very much relative but once you get your realisation you just don’t drink because you don’t need any drink. It is not that I tell you “Don’t drink” but you just don’t drink. Why? Why do you drink? Because you are bored stiff. Why do you smoke? Because you are bored stiff. You get so bored of yourself but once you see yourself and feel yourself, which is such a beautiful thing to enjoy yourself and others. After Realisation, you forget about drinking, you forget about all these things you have not time to give and the love starts emitting through you. Then you are the master of yourself because nothing can dominate you. Nothing can dominate you and you become master of yourself and this is what it is. What we call is the achievement of Sahaja Yoga. In Sahaja Yoga we do not say “Don’t do” that’s not done. But you just don’t do it. We have people here who have been taking very heavy drugs. I mean some of them came to me and their conditions, well you can call them as absolutely gone cases, coma’s. They could not understand me, I couldn’t understand them, I couldn’t talk to them, they couldn’t talk to me, Their hands were so shaky that they could not hold even a big pencil. There were some who could not even write. After coming from Cambridge, they become drug addicts. Now they are free to be drug addicts all right, but what about the drugs? They are dangerous, they sit on your head. Now we don’t say “Don’t take drugs” no go ahead. But you will not, you’ll just forget them because you get that drug which gives you what you are seeking. That’s your power. That’s what you are. That’s what gives you dignity. That’s automatically happening within you, you don’t have to say “Oh I have to be dignified”, no nothing. You just don’t do it because there are no temptations anymore of anything; you are just a master of yourself. You start enjoying the nectar of that love within yourself. The joy comes on you, just like waterfall, the rain of waterfall and you don’t know how to express yourself. Many people who came to my program suddenly got it and they were so happy that they started laughing loudly. They said “Mother, if you forget, forgive us, I said “Do it”. Then they went outside and laughed aloud. One of them I asked “Why were you laughing?”, he said “I was so cheated all these days and now I have beaten them”. I said “Correct, that’s what it is and it was so enjoyable to see them flowering to their beauty. To me it’s so joyous like a gardener who sees the flowers blooming. It’s very deep type of joy which so many Sahaja Yogis have felt and is such a promising thing that you just don’t wait for anything. Just, just don’t ask for anything. You are just there, for a light is to be enlightened; it is created for, created for enlightened. When this enlightenment takes place what does the light do? It gives light. When [?] over now. Everything is over, it just gives light it emits light. It just loves, loves in such a way that no-one can dominate you in that love, neither you dominate anyone but just enjoy each other. A complete ocean of enjoyment. You are made for that. God has not made you to suffer. Don’t believe that he made you to suffer. Anybody may tell you, it’s not true. He has made you to enjoy. But enjoy the bliss and not the curses and the enslavement. This is the difference in understand what is the freedom of your Spirit. Ask for the freedom of your Spirit and not for your ego. To say that “Oh I can do this of course I can do That”. Ego shouldn’t be identified with yourself. Ego is not yourself. It’s a very horrid stuff. That creates a veil between you and yourself you and your heart and people who are ego oriented could be absolutely devoid of all emotions, devoid of all enjoyment only thing they enjoy is the pampering of the ego. So, the new trend among the seekers is very good that they didn’t want to have all that ego trip, they stopped that, no, no more of that ego trip, is a very good thing. But at this time when we have given up the ego trip we should not go to the other side of the super ego, which you see there in the blue. Where you start feeling guilty. Now somebody dies. Say in Vietnam. We are guilty here. Or Lord Byron has written some stories and you are crying. We have so many types of Sahaja Yogis some come with ego orientation, some come with super-ego and they are in such a miserable condition. I mean they feel so miserable sometimes that I tell them that there’s not like that. It’s just the shackles, just the covering of the ocean that you are. You dig down within yourself and you’ll find the pearls of you belong and you’ll be amazed what joy and what beauty lies within. Because this is all a drama, children also know that they are in a drama. They play with something then throw it away, but we do everything so seriously, so sincerely, getting involved into it, thinking that we are the ones who are either sufferers or who are the persons who have to do it. Both these things drop out. You see the Kundalini, when she rises, how she pushes ego and superego and that’s how you get your mental problems solved. Now as for things like cancer, when you start using too much power from your left- and right-hand side, for example, we can see here. The left-hand power and right-hand power pulled out of these chakras, the centres. Now when you start using them too much this side and that side, they are pulled out like that and because of that your connection with the mains is lost. You become on your own and malignancy sets in. Over activity of the sympathetic nervous system creates cancer. It can only be alright if you are connected to the mains by which the power starts flowing through you, your chakras are again re-established and you start enjoying a normal life. Every moment we are setting cancer within us because if it is activity of the sympathetic nervous system but because we are keeping and normalising it with our parasympathetic it is neutralised but if somebody allow it to work out that way then it can be that one. One chakra may be broken and by that the cells might become on their own and malignancy can be set in. Then there are many other diseases which we can cure with Sahaja Yoga. One of them is diabetes and such like kidney, liver I mean many, so many of them can be cured because these are caused due to imbalances within us. There’s only one centre which you see there. The yellow centre which goes round the green void within us which has to supply energy to our liver, to our pancreas to our spleen. To our kidneys and among ladies to the uterus all as well. Now the same centre acts through a plexus to convert the fat cells for the use of the brain. When you start thinking too much ahead, because this right side works for your future. You start planning too much then this poor centre does not know what to do and it suffers a setback. It does not know how to keep a balance between other activities which it has to perform. And the main activity of transforming these cells for your brain. And when it fails then it prefers to fail the system which are of these organs and that’s how you get diabetes and all these things. By giving a balance one can cure these diseases. This is one of the things which is not talked about in medical sciences, about balance. Now the heart attack also is due to imbalance. Now the heart is just shown like that in a yellow way but there remains the Spirit. Those people say, who are very ambitions, ego oriented, they want promotions in life and success in life and they run after too much of success, they have an imbalance because they have no attention towards the seeking, They do not seek God. If they go to church “Let us sing hymn no such and such”, well dressed people will get up to that. Finished. All their spirituality’s ended up there. Or for an Indian go to a temple, give about one rupee to the pundit, who may be a horrible fellow and come back home he thinks, oh, all his spirituality’s over. With all this kind of superficial action towards the seeking of the Spirit, the Spirit gets angry and when the Spirit gets angry, when it- down you get a heart attack and people die with that. So, the heart attack is also another imbalance. The heart attack, normally simple people you will find do not get, women seldom get. There’s another kind of imbalance which is very much within us, is the mental imbalance we can say. Now the left side looks after the emotional side of human being. Now emotionally if you go on like er, some woman says she is in love with someone; now this carnal love can go to any limits, now she is pining for someone and all the time thinking about the other fellow and other fellow is a er, deceiver or whatever it is. He is very cruel, all the poetry that is written about such things, you know. If it happens to anyone out there and if they take to that kind of crying an and all the time making their lives miserable like that. Is a very big imbalance and surprisingly when it happens imbalance is created and now you have seen. I told you, when you work very hard or you put in too much of physical labour your heart stops. Actually, the heart should not stop. The brain should stop. If you are thinking too much your brain should stop but brain does not stop. Your heart stops. In the same way when you are emotionally very much working then your brain stops and that’s how people become mad, lunatic, all the psychologists make money out of that and the psychology also is such a … science and I think they have not right to be psychologist because they have not yet understood, the complete understand. The comprehension, understanding of a human being that, if you do not allow your psyche, that’s the left side. To be fulfilled and if you just allow the right side to work as they say there should be no conditioning then you can become ego oriented and you could be a very speed person. You could be a real madcap because you may be thinking so fast that you would not be able to stop your thinking. So, first thing that happens to you when Kundalini rises, that centre you see, which is placed behind this red mark of mine in the centre near the pituitary and the penial body, it sucks in the ego and super-ego so the thought which rises and falls and again thought that rises and falls. The space between them is increased and you become thoughtlessly aware, means you become blank. Some of you must have already become. There’s no thought from inside. This is the first thing happens when the Kundalini rises. When She enters here and opens herself out to the All-pervading power then this radiation starts flowing through you and with this power, if you start using it you will know what you have achieved. Say to a villager from India if you give him pounds, what will he know. He has to go to the bank to cash it and see what it means. In the same way when you get these radiations so easily you do not value them. The third thing which is a waring. I would say that people get Realisation here very fast, even in Birmingham. Many people have got Realisation. But when they go back home after two days the Kundalini comes bark. She has to supply to the other parts of the body. You get your Realisation because you have been seekers and as soon as Kundalini sees me or any Sahaja Yogi, she knows. She is in good hands and she suddenly shoots up and you get the experience. We had one boy who was educated in Cambridge and he was erm. He did computer and all that and a son of a very loving father and mother and all that. But he got his Realisation when his Kundalini was two feet high. You see, for two days he was in complete joy and they said, “See Mother, his Kundalini” I said, “My Child, this going to come down” because I know that this river has flown so fast that in that food you cannot see the ditches. But the ditches are to be filled. After two days he started like that and twitching and all that. I said, “What’s the matter?”. Then he told me he has been to er, now what’s the name? Angels? No, no, no. Hell’s Angels. He’s been to jail, he’s been drugged, he’s been this, he’s been to this guru, that guru and all that was working, but then he can be cured again and he knows how to do it. He can be cured, he can come back to normal and he can achieve it. So, it can be done. For some people it’s a permanent thing but some people do have this problem because Kundalini must look after you. There is nothing to be worried about it, if you little bit have patience with yourself. The patience that I have, is an ocean I can tell you. But if you have little patience with yourself your Kundalini could be perfected and could be all right. So, this is what is Kundalini awakening. This is what Sahaja Yoga is. Of course, I have told you in very short all the things because you know I’ve been speaking now for, for six years, in London, still, I mean people say that every time Mother, there’s something new coming up. I would request you to understand that Kundalini has nothing to do with the outside. It is inside happening. For example, a gentleman come to see me from B.B.C. and as they are, you know very rude people to begin with. I mean they are trained to be rude you see to er. Just blast a person so he. The person loses complete confidence, you see. So, the gentleman came down and he saw my house and this and that and he was saying that “Oh, what a nice house you have”. And I said, “It’s not er, er, anybody else, my husband earns a lot of money and he’s elected to a post and he’s come here and he’s holding a big poot. And that’s how we have got this house and is everything belongs to him so I’ve not taken a single pie from anyone! Then he was amazed and he said, “Now what about your organization?” And, “My organization also, I don’t take any money from them, on the contrary, if necessary, sometimes I pay for things like that and they’ll manage among themselves whatever it is. And we don’t have any sort of accounting or anything. We live on the very minimum of money, er business because then again it creates a problem”. You know. He did not know what to find with me because I said, “I’m not here as an immigrant, I’ve come here because my husband got elected with hundred and seven nations electing him her. Now it’s all God’s doing.” But he would not believe that there is God to do such a thing like that. You see, and that’s how I’m here. “But maybe” I said “If I’m here then maybe that God wants me to solve some of your problems, maybe there are so many children who are seeking God and maybe I’m here for them! So, then he came to the other problem he said that, “What about your poverty in India. Why don’t you solve that?” I said, “It can be solved, no problem, You see, we are not that poor as you think us to be neither we complain so much, but moreover”, I said, “Now if you are, have been rude quite a lot. And you “No I’ve been outspoken”, He said. I said, “Can I be outspoken for a change?” You see. So, he said, “What is it you want to say?” I said, “Very humbly I would like to say because I am in England now, who is responsible for the poverty of India?” then he kept quiet. So, like that. You see, what I am saying, instead of getting to the point he was going on here and then he said, “What about your population problem?” You see, now I’m not here to solve population problem, poverty problem, not economic problems. I’m here to solve- what you call - the spiritual problem and at that time a modern mind starts going in. Here and there and not facing the truth as it is. So, he said, “What about population problem?” Then I said, “I would like to say one thing that India is the only place where children want to be born, they would not like to be born in any one of the western countries because now there are very few people who understand the value of children”. Then he kept quiet. This is what it is. So, I have to warn you that this mind, is a revolting mind and I will not allow you to see the truth. So, be careful about it, because you have to find it. You have to find that which is within you, which is absolutely about to bloom and just help me in understanding that the problems that are with us are not the real problems these problems can only be solved if human beings improve themselves if they are transformed if this world is transformed then.	null	null	null	Public Program, "Sahaja Yoga - The Force Within". Birmingham (UK), 12 April 1980. [Introduction by Mr. Bala Kanayson] Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm glad you could all come down this evening, we are all very glad, all of us in Birmingham and the other Sahaja Yogis who have come tonight, that Shri Mataji has graced us with Her presence and as you have probably noticed we have also had very good weather today and the sun has shone and kept it quite warm.Now Shri Mataji has perfected a technique known as “Sahaja Yoga” whereby one attains one’s Self-realisation. “Sahaja” means born with, so it is a technique whereby one achieves Realisation. Now for me to try and describe Shri Mataji's power and personality in words is impossible, so I'm not going to try, further more we only have a few hours this evening and I would like Shri Mataji to talk to you, so I won't take up too much of your time.Now the technique deals with the Kundalini which is an energy within you and Shri Mataji trough Her power, through Her Nature, is able to awaken it within each and every one of us. Now for this to happen tonight, because it will happen in you, all you have to do is to keep an open mind. Now you don't have to absolutely believe anything but also you don't have to reject it before it even happens. So I would ask you all first of all to place your hands towards Shri Mataji, like this, you can rest your hands on your laps, relax and listen to what Shri Mataji has to say with an open mind. Thank you. Shri Mataji: I'm extremely happy that again I'm back here in Birmingham to meet you all. As Bala has already told you, "Sahaja" means born with you. There are many things which are born with us of which we are aware: We are aware of our eyes, we are aware of our nose, our hands, and we use them also with all our full awareness about it. But we have many other things within us about which we are not aware. Now the first part of it, that there is a residual force within us, which is called as Kundalini, is partly believed and partly not believed. In India, because people accept what saints tell them, they have seen that saints have been able to give realisation to people, they absolutely believe that there is a residual force called as Kundalini within us. But in the West, where everything is analysed before it is found out, where everything is discussed before one has reached there. It’s rather difficult to accept that there could exist something called as Kundalini as a residual force within us. Because of the habit of the mind, one immediately jumps into a discussion, an analysis about Kundalini, but the way to neutralise it is this way; that God has created us or whatsoever you may call it, Nature, from amoeba to this stage. He has taken so much trouble or the nature has taken so much trouble, to create this complex personality of a human being. What is the sense of creating someone like that, if it has no meaning? If it is not going to do anything better than what other animals have been doing? What is the need to create a human being who can even control nature and can use nature to its purpose, and sensible man who thinks his time is valuable would not create anything which is useless? In the same way, we can deduct an conclude that if God is a sensible gentleman, then he would not spend his time, making us so beautifully assembled, evolved, to be human beings without any purpose. There must be some purpose behind it and if there is a purpose, He must have already arranged something by which we achieve that purpose. For example, if you purchase this instrument in the market, you will immediately look out for some sort of a cord which connects it to the mains, otherwise this has no meaning. In the same way, within us there must be something placed. Such a power exists within us, is a fact and you can see with your naked eye this power pulsating in the sacrum bone. Sacrum bone is the triangular bone, white one that you … see, at the base of our spine, which is a bone normally does not move even one thousand of an inch. Even one thousand of an inch, it’s a fixed bone, and you see a complete heart-like movement of that bone when the Kundalini rises, with your naked eyes, whether you are a Sahaja Yogi or not makes no difference, whether you are a realised soul or not makes no difference. So, there is something inside that which pulsates. Then with a stethoscope you can feel the rising of the Kundalini. You can feel it, the throbbing, going into your spine, coming onto your head here in the fontanelle area, and making this bone soft and after some time that sound disappears, you feel absolutely blissful, relaxed and a radiation of cool breeze starts flowing from your fingers. Now one can say that, the second part of it, that there is a Kundalini or not we have to treat it as if it is some hypothesis. Like only open-minded scientist we should look at it from a hypothetical angle that see this is the hypothesis somebody’s putting forward, let’s see if it works out or not. If it does then it proves the law, if it does not, it does not, because now we are talking about something unknown. But is it not that in the science also first when we hear of something new it is unknown to us because whatever is known is already outside and whatever is unknown is to be discovered and if there is some discovery then you must keep a very, very open mind about it.Because of various experiences of mine I should say especially this year, I find people have become very sceptical about this word like new awareness, new dimension to your understanding and all those things, because all these words are used these days to befool people and float an enterprise. Now I would not blame them so much as I would blame people who take to them, because that they are that cunning, because they are making use of your simple nature, because you are seeking. It’s not only blame, but I condemn all they, all of them for doing such a thing to seekers. It’s the greatest sin that a person could do is to mislead a true seeker and if they are doing that you must also know that you have every way of finding out if a person is truthful or not. First of all, one should know that if evolution has to take place it has to be absolutely spontaneous, and you cannot pay for your evolution. What did you pay to be a human being? You cannot pay for God’s love if God’s love has created you into this beautiful human being. It’s absurd. Just look at it, it’s absolutely absurd that you pay for anything like that. Now they may say that, “Yes, we have to pay for a hall”. All right, that’s not much. But why pay for the maintenance of these lethargic parasites? But when it comes to such horrible people, I find, that the seekers do not question. They just go headlong into it. The reason is they are mesmerized, there’s not freedom in them and that’s why I like it that you are open minded, but you are alert and that you are not going to take me for granted. You have to get it, you have to feel it and you have to know it, then you do not believe me, that means you are adamant. That should not be so because you have been seeking not today, for ages you have been seeking. It was promised that you will be awarded. Long, long, long, many years back, NALA was, he was even before Krishna, before Rama, caught hold of Kali. Kali is the generator, generator of modern times and he asked him that, “I must kill you, or you, the horrible fellow, when your manifestation will start on this earth, you’ll create such chaos that people will try to commit suicide to get out of that kind of a life that you will be creating”. So, he was threatened. He said, “I must kill you”. So, Kali said, “Now Listen, you must know my importance, ‘mahatmi’, you must know my importance. If you know my importance, you would not do that to me”. So, he said, “What is your importance? Of all the things you are such a horrible man; you are going to create problems in families, in nations, everywhere you are going to create such wars and things when you will manifest, why shouldn’t I kill you once for all so that nobody goes through all That?” He said, “Only, there’s one great thing about me is this, that when I will be manifesting, when my Kali Yuga will be coming, then all those saints who are seeking God, in the jungles and forests and in the temples and in the churches and everywhere- at that time there were no churches but you say, places where they worshipped- all of them will be rewarded in Kali Yuga”. And it has been again and again promised that the time is going to come and you’ll be amazed that fifty years back there were hardly any seekers whatsoever. There were people who just were born produced children and died with a big insurance or something and give lot of money to their children with complete satisfaction. They never had this feeling and hankering, this er, kind of an urge to know what they are, what is the purpose of life. Is in, only in the modern times we find that there are so many seekers on one side and there are so many on the other side. It’s a big battle of wits among people that they don’t know. Now we have here in Birmingham two persons who are very good Sahaja Yogis. When they came to me, they were very badly off. So, I asked one of them that, “Give me the list of gurus you have been”. When he gave me the list it occupied two and a half pages with both the sides written down, horrible gurus [Laughter] he has been! But I must tell you that he’s completely cured, and is back, in Sahaja Yoga with such a beautiful understanding of Sahaja Yoga. Enjoying the purpose for which he come on this earth. So, what is the purpose of human beings? We come to that. Again, it is hypothetical. Don’t start asking question because the mind is moving into a question. I’m trying to answer your questions in my lecture so keep your mind little silent to understand. What is our purpose in life? What is the purpose of this instrument? It has to carry my voice. So, what is the purpose of human beings is, that they are so created by God, that they are his beloved children, that He wants to bestow all his powers upon them, that He wants them to reign in His kingdom, that He wants to feel and carry the powers of their Father who is so generous, who is compassion, who is a Father who does not want anything for himself but would like to give everything that he has to his own children. We can’t imagine of such a father in these modern times but He is an eternal Father. He doesn’t change with timing and this is what He has decided long time back. He brought you up to this point and the time has come for you to get that power within you. The spark is within you, resides in your heart as Spirit. This is the absolute point within. We are actually finding out our absolute. We live on relative terms all the time, relatively we start judging. That’s why there is confusion. There is no absolute understanding about any problem whatsoever. If you ask them, “What do you think of, say, Khomeni?” They’ll say, “Maybe right, maybe wrong, the Shah may be right, may be wrong”. You ask them any other problem about inflation, they’ll say, “Maybe right, maybe wrong”. Nobody is sure about it, what the reason is, because we are living in a relative world. But there must be some method by which we get connected to this absolute and when these radiations start flowing from your own being you start verifying them by asking questions. Say, you ask a question “Is there God?”. Immediately, you’ll feel a cool breeze flowing into you. A question just asked “Is there God?” is an absolute question and you’ll feel a cool breeze “Yes” flowing. These are the radiations of your own Spirit which informs you, “Yes, there is God” and all absolute questions can be answered by your evolution into this new awareness. The term which is very badly used by so many false people. But when you believe them even seeing the way they are, you must know that you were mesmerized, that under that mesmerism you believed into it. You do not know what powers you have, you do not know where you are, you cannot find out your moorings, you move in them as if you are going blindly into some alley from where you cannot return, but in Sahaja Yoga you will know each and everything within yourself and within other people. So, first of all, what you get is enlightenment of your attention, especially in places where people are more intellectual, where they are more rational people first thing that happens is not the joy. It’s my experiences now. But you get your attention enlightened means wherever you put your attention you get an answer. For example, we had a Sahaja Yogi, not now, now it’s very easy so don’t wore, be worried. That was the time, so six people with whom I was struggling one of them when he got his Realisation still, he was sceptical, he said, “How can that be, I could be actualising collective consciousness?” So, one day his finger at this base, this finger started burning so he asked me “What is this finger, Mother?”. I said, “This is the finger of the throat” or of the Vishuddhi Chakra which has got sixteen sub-plexuses you can see that. So, I said “This is the place of your father, these are his centres, must be your father is down with throat trouble, Bronchitis something like that.” He telephoned home, in Scotland and his mother said that the father is very sick with Bronchitis. For this is just the beginning but then it becomes a system with you, you just start understanding. Now he believed that he was collectively conscious. So, you become collectively conscious, you actualise it, it really happens to you. It’s a happening that takes place. Not the experience like somebody said that you go to that guru and he gives you and how much did you pay. Three hundred pound for getting. And then hysteria ultimately ending into epilepsy. Not that way. It is- actually, you can feel a little burning to indicate, to report to you what’s wrong with you or what’s wrong with another person. Also, you know how to correct it. Cancer, now I have been saying for the last ten years or more, that cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga. Of course, there are many other diseases apart from cancer. Because there is seeing within and because one does not find it cancer is set in, because of the struggle, cancer is set in, now I will show you how we are within ourselves and then also I’ll tell you how we contract cancer. (aside) Can you see it clearly? Hum. Now this is a human being we have shown in a magnified way and that is the triangular bone, you can see there which has got the residual power, coiled together in three and a half coils called as Kundalini. Below that is a centre and above there are six centres, you see it for yourself. Now this Kundalini is the power which gets awakened and rises through these centres in the central path and opens here the area and you become collectively conscious because you reach the subtler awareness by which you become one with the All-pervading power. Now whether there is All-pervading power or not. Whether there is God or not. Whether Christ was a liar or he told you the truth, everything could be found out through this happening. Unless and until you are connected to the mains nothing can, could be found out and you must be connected to your mains for which you cannot pay, for which you cannot stand on your head, you cannot do anything, is a spontaneous thing which happens, it is happening to you in my presence but later on it will happen to others in your presence. It is like one candle which is enlightened, can enlighten another candle. So, there is no give and take, there’s no er, problem of saying that I have given you this and you give me that, it’s already made there and you just have to be connected to that all pervading power by which you get those powers which are radiating from your Spirit. So, these seven centres are within us, about which I will be telling you tomorrow in detail. So, what are these seven centres are but these centres exist within us and are manifesting outside on the gross as plexuses, on the gross only for our physical being. For example, the first centre which is down below is manifesting as pelvic plexus. Now you see there are four angles or four petals to this, in the same way in the pelvic plexus also there are four sub-plexuses but is only for the physical thing. Now the other one is. It has got six sub-plexuses, another one has got twelve, then you have got another one, the other, or, the one he showed green one has ten, the one he is showing now has twelve, the one that is there is sixteen, then two, and there are one thousand. Like that we have got a, these centres placed within us. Now this is not important to know at all, what is important is that you should be first connected. Supposing you want to use this is it necessary to go into the whole machinery of it and opening it out so that you can never connect it? It is a very simple thing, is very simple, just like a primula, the germinating power in a seed takes its own course, it’s that simple. For that do you go into the seed and find out how does it do, you pull it out, it just happens spontaneously. In the same way if God has made you that way it has to happen within you. It is your right to get it, you are made for it and that’s how you are going to get it. For that God himself is anxious apart from your seeking you do not know what anxiety he has about it and how anxious he is because he known why you were made. You see that beauty within all those who are seeking and you understand what they are, what beautiful personalities are hidden under these so-called unhappy people and a person who knows that will work relentlessly to expose that beauty, because even supposing I have that, cannot enjoy it. Unless and until you all get it. It’s something where I always say a capitalism and, or communism meet. That even if you have all the powers what’s the use, you cannot enjoy them unless and until is shared. So, the whole thing becomes a sharing capitalism. And that’s what one happens, it happens to all of you. You will have to do the same way and then you start living a very bigger life by which you understand what is your whole. In our seeking we are actually finding out our whole…meness. We feel lost, we feel disintegrated. It’s a situation when cancer develops within us. Same situation, that one cell starts growing, big, on their own, you see, naturally one cell becomes. A nose starts becoming big or the eyes start becoming big oppressing all other cells, not related to the whole. When that happens, cancer sets in. As you will see here there are three channels. The first, the blue cannel represents the desiring within you, the power by which you desire. The second yellow one represents your power of action “Griha Shakti” and the centre one is the power of your evolution. Because of this central power you have evolved into a human being and because of the same power you are going to be higher human being. Now these three powers are represented or we can say manifested outside in the gross as sympathetic and parasympathetic. The left one represents a left sympathetic, the right one the right sympathetic and the central as the parasympathetic. Now the parasympathetic nervous system gives us the balance, the coordination, the complete understanding and also the refuelling of powers. The parasympathetic nervous system is not known much to medical sciences. They don’t understand it, they call it autonomous. They say it is run by auto, now who is this auto? By giving a name of branding something, you do not solve the problem and this is the autonomous nervous system which comes into action. For example, when say you are running you increase the beat of your heart but, after sometime, automatically your heart comes to normal. Now what acts to bring this heart to normal is the parasympathetic and this parasympathetic nervous system is beyond our conscious mind, we cannot handle it, we cannot reduce the rate of our heart. It is beyond our conscious effort but once this happens it becomes under our conscious effort so that you become a master of yourself. The idea, say, of liberty, of freedom is very relative today. We think supposing we are allowed to drink then we are very free, alright you are free in a way but you are not free in another way, because drinking will make you slave of drink. One way is that your ego feels satisfied. “Oh! I’m allowed, I’ll want I’ll drink otherwise I’ll not drink no one can force me”, but you start drinking the drink itself will sit on your head and make a slave out of you. So, our idea of freedom is very much relative but once you get your realisation you just don’t drink because you don’t need any drink. It is not that I tell you “Don’t drink” but you just don’t drink. Why? Why do you drink? Because you are bored stiff. Why do you smoke? Because you are bored stiff. You get so bored of yourself but once you see yourself and feel yourself, which is such a beautiful thing to enjoy yourself and others. After Realisation, you forget about drinking, you forget about all these things you have not time to give and the love starts emitting through you. Then you are the master of yourself because nothing can dominate you. Nothing can dominate you and you become master of yourself and this is what it is. What we call is the achievement of Sahaja Yoga. In Sahaja Yoga we do not say “Don’t do” that’s not done. But you just don’t do it. We have people here who have been taking very heavy drugs. I mean some of them came to me and their conditions, well you can call them as absolutely gone cases, coma’s. They could not understand me, I couldn’t understand them, I couldn’t talk to them, they couldn’t talk to me, Their hands were so shaky that they could not hold even a big pencil. There were some who could not even write. After coming from Cambridge, they become drug addicts. Now they are free to be drug addicts all right, but what about the drugs? They are dangerous, they sit on your head. Now we don’t say “Don’t take drugs” no go ahead. But you will not, you’ll just forget them because you get that drug which gives you what you are seeking. That’s your power. That’s what you are. That’s what gives you dignity. That’s automatically happening within you, you don’t have to say “Oh I have to be dignified”, no nothing. You just don’t do it because there are no temptations anymore of anything; you are just a master of yourself. You start enjoying the nectar of that love within yourself. The joy comes on you, just like waterfall, the rain of waterfall and you don’t know how to express yourself. Many people who came to my program suddenly got it and they were so happy that they started laughing loudly. They said “Mother, if you forget, forgive us, I said “Do it”. Then they went outside and laughed aloud. One of them I asked “Why were you laughing?”, he said “I was so cheated all these days and now I have beaten them”. I said “Correct, that’s what it is and it was so enjoyable to see them flowering to their beauty. To me it’s so joyous like a gardener who sees the flowers blooming. It’s very deep type of joy which so many Sahaja Yogis have felt and is such a promising thing that you just don’t wait for anything. Just, just don’t ask for anything. You are just there, for a light is to be enlightened; it is created for, created for enlightened. When this enlightenment takes place what does the light do? It gives light. When [?] over now. Everything is over, it just gives light it emits light. It just loves, loves in such a way that no-one can dominate you in that love, neither you dominate anyone but just enjoy each other. A complete ocean of enjoyment. You are made for that. God has not made you to suffer. Don’t believe that he made you to suffer. Anybody may tell you, it’s not true. He has made you to enjoy. But enjoy the bliss and not the curses and the enslavement. This is the difference in understand what is the freedom of your Spirit. Ask for the freedom of your Spirit and not for your ego. To say that “Oh I can do this of course I can do That”. Ego shouldn’t be identified with yourself. Ego is not yourself. It’s a very horrid stuff. That creates a veil between you and yourself you and your heart and people who are ego oriented could be absolutely devoid of all emotions, devoid of all enjoyment only thing they enjoy is the pampering of the ego. So, the new trend among the seekers is very good that they didn’t want to have all that ego trip, they stopped that, no, no more of that ego trip, is a very good thing. But at this time when we have given up the ego trip we should not go to the other side of the super ego, which you see there in the blue. Where you start feeling guilty. Now somebody dies. Say in Vietnam. We are guilty here. Or Lord Byron has written some stories and you are crying. We have so many types of Sahaja Yogis some come with ego orientation, some come with super-ego and they are in such a miserable condition. I mean they feel so miserable sometimes that I tell them that there’s not like that. It’s just the shackles, just the covering of the ocean that you are. You dig down within yourself and you’ll find the pearls of you belong and you’ll be amazed what joy and what beauty lies within. Because this is all a drama, children also know that they are in a drama. They play with something then throw it away, but we do everything so seriously, so sincerely, getting involved into it, thinking that we are the ones who are either sufferers or who are the persons who have to do it. Both these things drop out. You see the Kundalini, when she rises, how she pushes ego and superego and that’s how you get your mental problems solved. Now as for things like cancer, when you start using too much power from your left- and right-hand side, for example, we can see here. The left-hand power and right-hand power pulled out of these chakras, the centres. Now when you start using them too much this side and that side, they are pulled out like that and because of that your connection with the mains is lost. You become on your own and malignancy sets in. Over activity of the sympathetic nervous system creates cancer. It can only be alright if you are connected to the mains by which the power starts flowing through you, your chakras are again re-established and you start enjoying a normal life. Every moment we are setting cancer within us because if it is activity of the sympathetic nervous system but because we are keeping and normalising it with our parasympathetic it is neutralised but if somebody allow it to work out that way then it can be that one. One chakra may be broken and by that the cells might become on their own and malignancy can be set in. Then there are many other diseases which we can cure with Sahaja Yoga. One of them is diabetes and such like kidney, liver I mean many, so many of them can be cured because these are caused due to imbalances within us. There’s only one centre which you see there. The yellow centre which goes round the green void within us which has to supply energy to our liver, to our pancreas to our spleen. To our kidneys and among ladies to the uterus all as well. Now the same centre acts through a plexus to convert the fat cells for the use of the brain. When you start thinking too much ahead, because this right side works for your future. You start planning too much then this poor centre does not know what to do and it suffers a setback. It does not know how to keep a balance between other activities which it has to perform. And the main activity of transforming these cells for your brain. And when it fails then it prefers to fail the system which are of these organs and that’s how you get diabetes and all these things. By giving a balance one can cure these diseases. This is one of the things which is not talked about in medical sciences, about balance. Now the heart attack also is due to imbalance. Now the heart is just shown like that in a yellow way but there remains the Spirit. Those people say, who are very ambitions, ego oriented, they want promotions in life and success in life and they run after too much of success, they have an imbalance because they have no attention towards the seeking, They do not seek God. If they go to church “Let us sing hymn no such and such”, well dressed people will get up to that. Finished. All their spirituality’s ended up there. Or for an Indian go to a temple, give about one rupee to the pundit, who may be a horrible fellow and come back home he thinks, oh, all his spirituality’s over. With all this kind of superficial action towards the seeking of the Spirit, the Spirit gets angry and when the Spirit gets angry, when it- down you get a heart attack and people die with that. So, the heart attack is also another imbalance. The heart attack, normally simple people you will find do not get, women seldom get. There’s another kind of imbalance which is very much within us, is the mental imbalance we can say. Now the left side looks after the emotional side of human being. Now emotionally if you go on like er, some woman says she is in love with someone; now this carnal love can go to any limits, now she is pining for someone and all the time thinking about the other fellow and other fellow is a er, deceiver or whatever it is. He is very cruel, all the poetry that is written about such things, you know. If it happens to anyone out there and if they take to that kind of crying an and all the time making their lives miserable like that. Is a very big imbalance and surprisingly when it happens imbalance is created and now you have seen. I told you, when you work very hard or you put in too much of physical labour your heart stops. Actually, the heart should not stop. The brain should stop. If you are thinking too much your brain should stop but brain does not stop. Your heart stops. In the same way when you are emotionally very much working then your brain stops and that’s how people become mad, lunatic, all the psychologists make money out of that and the psychology also is such a … science and I think they have not right to be psychologist because they have not yet understood, the complete understand. The comprehension, understanding of a human being that, if you do not allow your psyche, that’s the left side. To be fulfilled and if you just allow the right side to work as they say there should be no conditioning then you can become ego oriented and you could be a very speed person. You could be a real madcap because you may be thinking so fast that you would not be able to stop your thinking. So, first thing that happens to you when Kundalini rises, that centre you see, which is placed behind this red mark of mine in the centre near the pituitary and the penial body, it sucks in the ego and super-ego so the thought which rises and falls and again thought that rises and falls. The space between them is increased and you become thoughtlessly aware, means you become blank. Some of you must have already become. There’s no thought from inside. This is the first thing happens when the Kundalini rises. When She enters here and opens herself out to the All-pervading power then this radiation starts flowing through you and with this power, if you start using it you will know what you have achieved. Say to a villager from India if you give him pounds, what will he know. He has to go to the bank to cash it and see what it means. In the same way when you get these radiations so easily you do not value them. The third thing which is a waring. I would say that people get Realisation here very fast, even in Birmingham. Many people have got Realisation. But when they go back home after two days the Kundalini comes bark. She has to supply to the other parts of the body. You get your Realisation because you have been seekers and as soon as Kundalini sees me or any Sahaja Yogi, she knows. She is in good hands and she suddenly shoots up and you get the experience. We had one boy who was educated in Cambridge and he was erm. He did computer and all that and a son of a very loving father and mother and all that. But he got his Realisation when his Kundalini was two feet high. You see, for two days he was in complete joy and they said, “See Mother, his Kundalini” I said, “My Child, this going to come down” because I know that this river has flown so fast that in that food you cannot see the ditches. But the ditches are to be filled. After two days he started like that and twitching and all that. I said, “What’s the matter?”. Then he told me he has been to er, now what’s the name? Angels? No, no, no. Hell’s Angels. He’s been to jail, he’s been drugged, he’s been this, he’s been to this guru, that guru and all that was working, but then he can be cured again and he knows how to do it. He can be cured, he can come back to normal and he can achieve it. So, it can be done. For some people it’s a permanent thing but some people do have this problem because Kundalini must look after you. There is nothing to be worried about it, if you little bit have patience with yourself. The patience that I have, is an ocean I can tell you. But if you have little patience with yourself your Kundalini could be perfected and could be all right. So, this is what is Kundalini awakening. This is what Sahaja Yoga is. Of course, I have told you in very short all the things because you know I’ve been speaking now for, for six years, in London, still, I mean people say that every time Mother, there’s something new coming up. I would request you to understand that Kundalini has nothing to do with the outside. It is inside happening. For example, a gentleman come to see me from B.B.C. and as they are, you know very rude people to begin with. I mean they are trained to be rude you see to er. Just blast a person so he. The person loses complete confidence, you see. So, the gentleman came down and he saw my house and this and that and he was saying that “Oh, what a nice house you have”. And I said, “It’s not er, er, anybody else, my husband earns a lot of money and he’s elected to a post and he’s come here and he’s holding a big poot. And that’s how we have got this house and is everything belongs to him so I’ve not taken a single pie from anyone! Then he was amazed and he said, “Now what about your organization?” And, “My organization also, I don’t take any money from them, on the contrary, if necessary, sometimes I pay for things like that and they’ll manage among themselves whatever it is. And we don’t have any sort of accounting or anything. We live on the very minimum of money, er business because then again it creates a problem”. You know. He did not know what to find with me because I said, “I’m not here as an immigrant, I’ve come here because my husband got elected with hundred and seven nations electing him her. Now it’s all God’s doing.” But he would not believe that there is God to do such a thing like that. You see, and that’s how I’m here. “But maybe” I said “If I’m here then maybe that God wants me to solve some of your problems, maybe there are so many children who are seeking God and maybe I’m here for them! So, then he came to the other problem he said that, “What about your poverty in India. Why don’t you solve that?” I said, “It can be solved, no problem, You see, we are not that poor as you think us to be neither we complain so much, but moreover”, I said, “Now if you are, have been rude quite a lot. And you “No I’ve been outspoken”, He said. I said, “Can I be outspoken for a change?” You see. So, he said, “What is it you want to say?” I said, “Very humbly I would like to say because I am in England now, who is responsible for the poverty of India?” then he kept quiet. So, like that. You see, what I am saying, instead of getting to the point he was going on here and then he said, “What about your population problem?” You see, now I’m not here to solve population problem, poverty problem, not economic problems. I’m here to solve- what you call - the spiritual problem and at that time a modern mind starts going in. Here and there and not facing the truth as it is. So, he said, “What about population problem?” Then I said, “I would like to say one thing that India is the only place where children want to be born, they would not like to be born in any one of the western countries because now there are very few people who understand the value of children”. Then he kept quiet. This is what it is. So, I have to warn you that this mind, is a revolting mind and I will not allow you to see the truth. So, be careful about it, because you have to find it. You have to find that which is within you, which is absolutely about to bloom and just help me in understanding that the problems that are with us are not the real problems these problems can only be solved if human beings improve themselves if they are transformed if this world is transformed then.
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It's the essence of all good work we do for others - is just your own being you are trying to save and help – nobody else is being helped. Who is the 'else'? Who is the other? Is all your own self after all whatever is our world is that we know of. So who is the other? There's none. All that is there is yourself and the education should be such that we should understand the essence of our collective being which is present within us – which is manifesting all the time. Only after Sahaja Yoga it becomes evident. It becomes actual – you actualize it. As you call it : Pratyaksha. You get the Sakshat that you are a collective being who was manifesting it all your life. You were not aware of it but after getting Realization you start feeling them on your fingers. You talk of someone, you get a headache : “Oh God!” That person has got a headache too. This is after Realization. So you'd better start curing your headache and his headache is also cure automatically. But this which is present within us – this collective being which is present within us, which is manifesting in a way which is vague - becomes absolutely clear-cut and you start seeing that you are a collective being. You exist as a collective being. You cannot exist as a separate entity somewhere on my own like a malignant personality creating cancer all over. And this is the actualization one receives through this Kundalini awakening. God has made you like that so beautiful but so we see to our beauty? We do not nurture our beauty through our education, do we? Small, small acts of beauty such people who are nurtured on those lines express and you remember those small things. Like a little child went to Brighton with Me and she said : “Brighton is a nice place.” I said : “Why?” - “Because there is sea”. I said : “ Then what? Why sea is so nice?” - “Oh! Then he can wash off all our problems and everybody can wash off their problems in the sea.” Now she is thinking of the whole collective problem. That we have problems and there is sea. So why not ask the sea to wash our problems? See, if there is little water it may be a problem because we have very very big problems and see... so there is a sea which can wash out all our problems. What a thing it is to think of it. Like my two grand-children – two daughters, grand-daughters – they told me one day - and they were very young – they told me that : “We would like to be either an air-hostess or a nurse.” So I said : “Why these two professions? What is so great about it?” She said : “Is there any profession in which you can give food to more people?” How sweet they are! This is the innocence we are fighting. This is what you are born and after education they know “My room, my cupboard then my keys and my this and my that [?] So, I feel after Realization also it is very important that we have to educate ourselves. We have to become extremely kind – we can – and fearless to stand by the right, by the truth that we know. It is possible because now you are empowered – you have got your power of your Spirit flowing through you. You can face any problem with it because you have understood the essence of everything. You are not afraid. But still there are many half-baked Sahaja Yogis I have seen. They fizzle out at such non-sensical things is most surprising. And their sympathies also can be very misplaced. For example say there was a gentleman [over the last?] who - supposing - married a lady. Now this lady is tortured by that man. And the lady comes and tell the Sahaja Yogis that : “See, now, he is torturing me.” Instead of having sympathies with the lady if you have sympathies with that man then what should we say? “You are very wise people.” ? It would be having sympathy with Russia vis-à-vis problem in Afghanistan. This is what happens. Our – you see- understanding of the essences of compassion and joy are so confused... so confused that we misplace them completely and we fizzle out. But if you put your light correct and start seeing in correct light the whole thing your sense of compassion will be so clear-cut that the compassion that could be harmful – could be very cruel – can be corrected immediately. So many people who are compassionate – so-call – can be very cruel by their misplaced ideas. So the discrimination of reality and reality, of compassion and cruelty, of sharing and selfishness... the discrimination becomes absolutely clear-cut as you become more and more identified with your Spirit. Awakening can be done. You know that it takes place. Sometimes it goes up to this point – the Kundalini you can see there - and you enjoy for two months and then again you go down. And then you start shaking before Me. What have you done is the point to educate yourself? To retain that? You have to respect. A river flows into a country which is a holy river is to be respected. If you start putting all kinds of filth into it and cover it with filth or put some heated [clings?] around the banks of the river whole thing can be completely soaked out, the water can be soaked out and the river will become absolutely barren. Like that the Kundalini can be soaked out. Instead of you prospering out of the life giving force of Kundalini you again go back to the same. That is why for becoming one has to respect the Kundalini is to know that you have channelized more and more of that vital energy within your being to manifest your beauty so that everyone who comes in contact feels that magnet of love. And that soothing feeling which covers the entire world I look forward to that beautiful day when people will turn back and see their beauty and their depth that lies within their being which I see so clearly, which I see in everyone. And that's why I work hard. I labour hard dreaming all the time for that day to see this beautiful flower blooming into fragrance of eternal bliss and joy. This is what is awakening and is becoming. You all know lot of it about awakening, you have seen Kundalini awakened into many people but becoming part of it is a slow process for which we have to be alert and see how much of this vital energy we are using to beautify the garden of our life or we are draining it out by our dumb foolery or by our so-called serious thinking how to destroy it. Now, I will be going to Paris. Those who want to come with Me... I don't know. You should tell Gavin about it and it should be organized. I don't know Paris. What is in Paris, I just can't say. The vibrations were very bad last time when I went down. I tried. Let's see what happens in Paris. Maybe there maybe at least two three people coming up if not many. It is your desire that is going to work out because I have no desire, as I said, I'm just dreaming. You have to desire that the whole world should change and transform itself. You are the ones who can do that. I wish you all luck. Thanks you very much. (…) At 16'25'' There is no obligation on you neither there is any obligation on Me. But maybe there a little on Me, if any. Because I love you much more than you love yourself. So by accepting this you have honoured my love. So there is an obligation on Me. Let's have your hands just like this and put your both the feet on the ground in such a manner, in a very relaxed manner. Just sit down in a very relaxed manner. Little far, little far would be better. Now, both the hands like this. These are like antenna which receive the Shakti, the Power. And the Power goes inside from both the hands [?] and then invites your Kundalini. [you haven't brought the... alright, doesn't matter.] You will see in the chart. And then this sleeping Kundalini, your premule, your germinating power rises and She pierces this area called as Brahmarandhra which is the area where we have soft bone in our childhood. Fontanelle bone area. First when the Kundalini crosses this point in the center, through the center of Agnya which is placed between the pituitary and the pineal body, you become thoughtlessly aware. You become thoughtlessly aware. You are aware but there is no thought. It is called as Nirvichara Samadhi. 'Samadhi' means enlightened awareness. It doesn't mean a dead condition or a [?] condition. Enlightened awareness : your awareness becomes enlightened and effective. But when it pierces this fontanelle area, you start feeling the radiation of your Spirit passing through your hands. This is the first time your Spirit comes into your conscious mind. You start feeling it through your central nervous system.	null	null	null	Public Program - incomplete “ (…essly) and she puts another sari or a good dress and all that and then she locks up herself in the room and enjoys herself [laughter]. So it shows the essence of it is the sharing and the maximum of it should be achieved because the joy of it comes through sharing : is wisdom. So we have our education which should teach us to share, which should teach us to help others. Somebody falls down? Just try to help that person. That should be the education. Somebody is knocked down? As if you are knocked down, the collectivity of it. It's part of you is knocked down. Somebody is drowning, you try to save that person. Actually you are saving that person because that person is within you which is getting drown and you are just trying to help yourself. It's the essence of all good work we do for others - is just your own being you are trying to save and help – nobody else is being helped. Who is the 'else'? Who is the other? Is all your own self after all whatever is our world is that we know of. So who is the other? There's none. All that is there is yourself and the education should be such that we should understand the essence of our collective being which is present within us – which is manifesting all the time. Only after Sahaja Yoga it becomes evident. It becomes actual – you actualize it. As you call it : Pratyaksha. You get the Sakshat that you are a collective being who was manifesting it all your life. You were not aware of it but after getting Realization you start feeling them on your fingers. You talk of someone, you get a headache : “Oh God!” That person has got a headache too. This is after Realization. So you'd better start curing your headache and his headache is also cure automatically. But this which is present within us – this collective being which is present within us, which is manifesting in a way which is vague - becomes absolutely clear-cut and you start seeing that you are a collective being. You exist as a collective being. You cannot exist as a separate entity somewhere on my own like a malignant personality creating cancer all over. And this is the actualization one receives through this Kundalini awakening. God has made you like that so beautiful but so we see to our beauty? We do not nurture our beauty through our education, do we? Small, small acts of beauty such people who are nurtured on those lines express and you remember those small things. Like a little child went to Brighton with Me and she said : “Brighton is a nice place.” I said : “Why?” - “Because there is sea”. I said : “ Then what? Why sea is so nice?” - “Oh! Then he can wash off all our problems and everybody can wash off their problems in the sea.” Now she is thinking of the whole collective problem. That we have problems and there is sea. So why not ask the sea to wash our problems? See, if there is little water it may be a problem because we have very very big problems and see... so there is a sea which can wash out all our problems. What a thing it is to think of it. Like my two grand-children – two daughters, grand-daughters – they told me one day - and they were very young – they told me that : “We would like to be either an air-hostess or a nurse.” So I said : “Why these two professions? What is so great about it?” She said : “Is there any profession in which you can give food to more people?” How sweet they are! This is the innocence we are fighting. This is what you are born and after education they know “My room, my cupboard then my keys and my this and my that [?] So, I feel after Realization also it is very important that we have to educate ourselves. We have to become extremely kind – we can – and fearless to stand by the right, by the truth that we know. It is possible because now you are empowered – you have got your power of your Spirit flowing through you. You can face any problem with it because you have understood the essence of everything. You are not afraid. But still there are many half-baked Sahaja Yogis I have seen. They fizzle out at such non-sensical things is most surprising. And their sympathies also can be very misplaced. For example say there was a gentleman [over the last?] who - supposing - married a lady. Now this lady is tortured by that man. And the lady comes and tell the Sahaja Yogis that : “See, now, he is torturing me.” Instead of having sympathies with the lady if you have sympathies with that man then what should we say? “You are very wise people.” ? It would be having sympathy with Russia vis-à-vis problem in Afghanistan. This is what happens. Our – you see- understanding of the essences of compassion and joy are so confused... so confused that we misplace them completely and we fizzle out. But if you put your light correct and start seeing in correct light the whole thing your sense of compassion will be so clear-cut that the compassion that could be harmful – could be very cruel – can be corrected immediately. So many people who are compassionate – so-call – can be very cruel by their misplaced ideas. So the discrimination of reality and reality, of compassion and cruelty, of sharing and selfishness... the discrimination becomes absolutely clear-cut as you become more and more identified with your Spirit. Awakening can be done. You know that it takes place. Sometimes it goes up to this point – the Kundalini you can see there - and you enjoy for two months and then again you go down. And then you start shaking before Me. What have you done is the point to educate yourself? To retain that? You have to respect. A river flows into a country which is a holy river is to be respected. If you start putting all kinds of filth into it and cover it with filth or put some heated [clings?] around the banks of the river whole thing can be completely soaked out, the water can be soaked out and the river will become absolutely barren. Like that the Kundalini can be soaked out. Instead of you prospering out of the life giving force of Kundalini you again go back to the same. That is why for becoming one has to respect the Kundalini is to know that you have channelized more and more of that vital energy within your being to manifest your beauty so that everyone who comes in contact feels that magnet of love. And that soothing feeling which covers the entire world I look forward to that beautiful day when people will turn back and see their beauty and their depth that lies within their being which I see so clearly, which I see in everyone. And that's why I work hard. I labour hard dreaming all the time for that day to see this beautiful flower blooming into fragrance of eternal bliss and joy. This is what is awakening and is becoming. You all know lot of it about awakening, you have seen Kundalini awakened into many people but becoming part of it is a slow process for which we have to be alert and see how much of this vital energy we are using to beautify the garden of our life or we are draining it out by our dumb foolery or by our so-called serious thinking how to destroy it. Now, I will be going to Paris. Those who want to come with Me... I don't know. You should tell Gavin about it and it should be organized. I don't know Paris. What is in Paris, I just can't say. The vibrations were very bad last time when I went down. I tried. Let's see what happens in Paris. Maybe there maybe at least two three people coming up if not many. It is your desire that is going to work out because I have no desire, as I said, I'm just dreaming. You have to desire that the whole world should change and transform itself. You are the ones who can do that. I wish you all luck. Thanks you very much. (…) At 16'25'' There is no obligation on you neither there is any obligation on Me. But maybe there a little on Me, if any. Because I love you much more than you love yourself. So by accepting this you have honoured my love. So there is an obligation on Me. Let's have your hands just like this and put your both the feet on the ground in such a manner, in a very relaxed manner. Just sit down in a very relaxed manner. Little far, little far would be better. Now, both the hands like this. These are like antenna which receive the Shakti, the Power. And the Power goes inside from both the hands [?] and then invites your Kundalini. [you haven't brought the... alright, doesn't matter.] You will see in the chart. And then this sleeping Kundalini, your premule, your germinating power rises and She pierces this area called as Brahmarandhra which is the area where we have soft bone in our childhood. Fontanelle bone area. First when the Kundalini crosses this point in the center, through the center of Agnya which is placed between the pituitary and the pineal body, you become thoughtlessly aware. You become thoughtlessly aware. You are aware but there is no thought. It is called as Nirvichara Samadhi. 'Samadhi' means enlightened awareness. It doesn't mean a dead condition or a [?] condition. Enlightened awareness : your awareness becomes enlightened and effective. But when it pierces this fontanelle area, you start feeling the radiation of your Spirit passing through your hands. This is the first time your Spirit comes into your conscious mind. You start feeling it through your central nervous system.
4/16/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=20859	The description of the Subtle System	France	Paris	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	92	Public Program Day 1, 16 April 1980, Paris, France This bone is called sacrum by Greeks. That means “sacred”. And this bone in medical profession is known that in the fire it never gets burnt. But you can see with your own eyes the pulsation in that bone and the pulsation going higher and higher in the backbone. And when it is awakened, you can also hear with the stethoscope the same sound as you hear… like the heart: lub-dub, lub-dub — till it comes to the fontanelle bone, here, in the fontanelle bone area, where the bone is very soft when you are a child; we call it as talu. When it pierces that bone, then you start feeling a cool breeze flowing from your head. Now, that time you feel absolutely blissful and tranquil. This is the baptism. This is the real baptism, not the artificial one that theological college students can do. (Laughs) That is… that is unauthorized, that is unauthorized. That… Now, in the medical terminology, you can understand that we’ve got left and right sympathetic nervous system within us. And in the centre is the parasympathetic. Now, they call it as autonomous nervous system. But who is this “auto”? Who works it out? Who works out the autonomous nervous system? These… out of these, the left and the right sympathetic come into play when we go into some emergency. Left and right sympathetic. Supposing you want to run. Then sympathetic will come into activity, and your heartbeat will go up, your breathing will go up. But it is slowed down by parasympathetic. Automatically. Nobody can control parasympathetic. Now, this parasympathetic, whatever we have, is responsible for all kinds of coordination within us, all kinds of balances within us, and all kinds of supply of energy, vital energy to different centres within us. CATHERINE (translator): Is it possible [UNCLEAR]? SHRI MATAJI: Oh, it’s all right, oh, it’s all right. Yeah. (Laughs) [UNCLEAR] Yeah. Tomorrow — [UNCLEAR] very well, thank you very much, [UNCLEAR] — tomorrow Christine is coming; she’s coming and, you see, and that is even better because she is a translator. Now, how do you do that? YOGINI: Well, there’s no other nail. SHRI MATAJI: All right, you just put it on this. Make it short and put it down here, everybody can see. Can you see, all of you, this one? Quite all right, [UNCLEAR]. (About Catherine, who translated the first part) Very interesting how things work out, isn’t it? I discovered that she was such a great translator. Yeah, she knows English so well, I mean… is a difficult subject, isn’t it, to translate. And you all have been so kind and patient. All right. So we have here… All of you can see [UNCLEAR]? All right? YOGINI: Yes. SHRI MATAJI: What are you doing? You put [UNCLEAR]. Now, this, the sympathetic nervous system about which I spoke is in the gross, outside. You can see them along the spinal cord with the ganglions, you can see with your naked eyes. But this sympathetic nervous system is worked out by two of the channels, here, which are subtle, inside the spinal cord. These two channels carry two types of energy within us: one, this, and another, this. This energy that resides within us is the energy by which we desire. This energy is coming from our past, or it looks after our past; all your psyche, so-called psyche, and all the conditionings of the psyche — all that works out on this line. This channel in the Sanskrit language is called as Ida, and this one is called as the Pingala, which is carrying on all the power for our creativity work, which also cater for our future planning and future thinking. So most of the thinking is done by this, and the desiring is done by this. Now, this is the one that gives rise to this parasympathetic outside, out of which part of it is developed in the human beings, and there is a big gap left within us. This is called as the Void, as described in many scriptures that there is a void between us and God. Now, this is the Kundalini I was telling you about, in three and a half coil, here, in the sacrum bone. (To Marie, translator) Now, come along, tell all [UNCLEAR]. (Marie translates the first part) (To Marie) What’s it, first one? Which one? [UNCLEAR]? (Marie translates the second part) (To Marie) Now, what’s it? MARIE: I’m not a very good translator, Mother. SHRI MATAJI: That’s all right, but whatever it is, [UNCLEAR] about the Kundalini, it’s all right, [UNCLEAR] in the triangular. I’ve already told them: in the sacrum bone, you see? You told them that? MARIE: Yes. SHRI MATAJI: All right. So. Now… so I’ll make short sentences. I thought you know all that, so I [UNCLEAR]. It’s all right. Now, this one is here, which is responsible for giving us our second birth. Can you see now? This is the one which is responsible for giving us the second birth. This is the one which awakens and passes through these one, two, three, four, five, six — six centres. Now, these six centres are subtle centres within ourselves, within the spinal cord, inside the spinal cord. (To Marie) Translate. Now, our Spirit is here in the heart, as shown in here. This resides in here. But actually, this Spirit is actually resides on top of your head, there. But it has… what you call, the seat is there, but he resides here; the seat is here, and the governor seat is here — and he resides here. We were talking about finding out our Spirit, absolute point, here. Now, this is all organized within us during our different evolutions, and they are like milestones within us. Now, this… for example, this one marks, here, our evolution when we got carbon atom within us, carbon element. When the life started. Now we are at the end of our evolution. So the time has come for people to get mass Realization. And that’s why there is such a great seeking. The Kundalini sits there — she is your Mother, she… you are her only child — waiting for that day when she can give you the second birth. In many of your lives through evolution, she is there. But those who have the authority to raise the Kundalini, strong divine power, can [UNCLEAR]. And those who try to just have some artificial method make the person suffer, and they also suffer. Because… like a villager who comes, say, from India, who has never seen electricity, puts his hand into the two holes of electrical plug and says that “Electricity gives me a shock.” In the Sahaja Yoga so far, thousands of people have received their Realization, more in India and less abroad; none of them have got any bad experience. On the contrary, when we are working through our sympathetic too much, then, because of this one, we develop our superego, and because of this one, we develop our ego. By over-conditioning we develop superego, and by boasting we develop ego. Because human beings do not do anything living. Everything is done by the Divine Power. We cannot convert one flower into a fruit. But the Divine Power converts billions and billions of them every day. So our ego is artificial. In the same way, when we fight our innocence, our conditioning also becomes artificial. With too much working of these systems — like this, on the left and the right — the movement of these systems breaks the chakras, centres. (To Marie) Overactivity. And thus we lose our connection with the whole. And cancer is setting. With the brain getting clouded with these, also you get terrible tension. Most of the human beings has come because of imbalances within ourselves and also our relationship with our atmosphere and other things. All these problems can be solved if you could reach your absolute point. Because, as soon as Kundalini pierces through the fontanelle bone area, the Spirit starts radiating. When the Spirit radiates, we can find out about every absolute purpose. Because first we jump into collective consciousness; we actualize it. It’s not brainwashing, it just happens to you. For example, these fingers showed here are showing… when these centres are enlightened by the Kundalini… are expressed on the fingers, on all these fingers. On your fingers, you start feeling the chakras. For example, there was a gentleman in Bombay… in London, who got his Realization, and he could not believe it. And his father was sick. He did not know about it, but suddenly he started getting a pain here and a burning here. And I told him that this is the chakra for Vishuddhi; that means this is for the father, so must be your father must be sick of some kind. So he telephoned to his father in Scotland, and he found he was suffering from bronchitis. (To Marie) Bronchitis. MARIE: Just couldn’t follow. [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: This is the physical side, this is the emotional side. Because you are connected with the all-pervading Power, that has got all telecommunication much better than human beings have. When I say there are lots of colours here and pictures, you won’t believe it, but if I put a television here, immediately you’ll start seeing it there. Like that, you are also a special instrument created by God. With great love and with very great care He has created you. And now you are to be put to the mains, as television needs to be put to the mains. And as soon as you are put to the mains, it starts working. And it is fantastic! When it starts working, one cannot even believe it; it is that fantastic! But one must remember that thousands of years were spent creating this beautiful instrument of [UNCLEAR]. You cannot see that beauty within you, but I can see that very clearly. And that is the reason why you are still seeking. But in doing so, I do not do any obligation on you. Like one light which is enlightened can enlighten another candle. What is the obligation in that involved? You are made like that. And this is it you made for; you can say, the light, which is dormant, which can be enlightened. It is a very simple thing. But we are so complicated that we can’t believe into anything that is simple. We want everything to be explained by books. It would be something like an egg becoming a bird going to the library to find out, to find out how to fly, while the power to fly is built in the wings. The more complicated you are, the more it is difficult to accept yourself. The more simple you are, the more easy it is to understand. But whether you understand it or not, it works. Whether you believe in it, not, it’s so. But in case you just deny it and disrespect it, it won’t. You have to cooperate with it. Actually, you should ask for it. Because this is what you are seeking. The Divine is not going to fall at your feet and ask for your mercy to take it. If you want it, you should just ask for it, and you’ll get it. Because the time has come, the blossom time has come. And that’s why many, many flowers are getting transformed into fruits. This was all prophesied long time back. That false prophets would be coming, also. And you see there are so many of them. They use the same language of “new awareness”, “Self-realization”, some sort of a meditation. But you cannot pay for God. He is not for sale. You cannot organize Him. Neither can you conceive it. You have to accept as He is. How much did you pay for getting this beautiful body? Why should you pay for getting the higher awareness? But in the West people are spiritually very naive. They don’t understand the simple thing like this. And they want to pay for everything. And those who want to cheat you can pamper your ego by taking money from you. But a realized soul of that level cannot take anything from you; you cannot give. It just flows one side. You have to just take from that. It’s a very different thing. But there are so many “guru shops” going on, and the “supermarkets of spirituality”; and we think we can cash our own [UNCLEAR]. You can only cash your good deeds and your love, your compassion and your steadfastness, your honesty and your simplicity. [UNCLEAR] money. It is inconceivable that you can purchase God. So, whatever you are purchasing with money may be some spirits. Not the Spirit. It’s surprising in English language for both they use the same word. And even for alcohol. But in Sanskrit language it is called as atma, the one that is your Self. When you say, “I like something,” you do not know what you mean by that, because there is no way of knowing which one is this “I”. Is it… is it my tradition, my conditioning, or my ego? There is no universal absolute by which you can judge it. For a Frenchman may say, “It’s beautiful,” but Englishman may say, “It’s not.” And Indian may not like it at all. But if we are all human beings, there should be a common denominator to find out the truth, which should be one. When you get your Self-realization — means when you realize your Self — then the radiation that passes through your hands of these vibrations is the first time that your conscious mind is feeling the Spirit. That means first time your Self is flowing through your central nervous system. Now, your central nervous system is something that you have so far achieved up to a human point. Like the wirework, done. But when you’re put to the mains, the energy of the Self starts flowing. That is how your awareness becomes absolute. Now supposing these two children are realized souls. There are many children who are born realized; that little one is also born realized. So… Marie, translate. There may be many French also. MARIE: Huh? SHRI MATAJI: There may be many more French children born, born realized. Now, how will you know that they are realized souls or not? On the contrary, if somebody floats a big organization and [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR a big circus], you may think that person is a realized soul. But these children know out of you who is realized and who is not, because they can feel it through their vibrations. They also know where is your Kundalini just now. They also know what diseases you’ve got, and they also know how to cure them. They also know what is your mental problem, and they also know how to give you Realization. They are very small, they are not intellectual, they have not been to school — but they know it. Because it becomes a subjective knowledge, it becomes a knowledge of the subject itself. Actualization. For actualization. As you can say, “This is a rose,” or, “This is a lotus,” by its fragrance they can see your Kundalini on their fingertips. In the older days, when Self-realization started working, only there were hardly one or two flowers on the tree of life. But people did not understand that. Because somebody is born on the tenth floor cannot be understood by people on the ground floor. That’s why they crucified Christ. It was a fact that He was the only Son of God. It can be proved in Kundalini. Because He resides on this centre here where you see the red spot, at this crossing point called as the Agnya Chakra. This one is placed [in] a very subtle point between the pituitary and the pineal body in the brain. MARIE: Pineal? SHRI MATAJI: Pituitary, pineal body. Out of which pituitary controls the ego, and the pineal body superego. So, these are all other centres, which have other leaders, who came to evolve on this earth, to help in our awareness — are placed there within us, all of them are within us. That gradually you will learn when you get your Realization and when you will go deeper into it, that there are all these deities there — and that can be proved. For example, there was a doctor from Iran who was suffering from cancer; he came to see Me in London. He had the cancer of the stomach. In this part resides all the ten great Masters, or the Primordial Masters, the incarnations of the Primordial Master. He… I told… I asked him what religion was he following; he said he was a Muslim, an out and out Muslim. I said, “What does that mean?”, so he said it means only Mohammed was the only last prophet, that cannot be any other prophets. I said, “How do you know? How are you so cocksure about it? How can you claim that he was the last prophet?” Moreover, his cancer was due to that kind of a fanaticism within his stomach. I told him, “You have to believe in other prophets also.” We had a prophet in India called Guru Nanak, who was the incarnation of the same. Abraham, Moses — all of them were the incarnation of the same principle. But he would not accept it. I said, “I can’t heal your cancer.” So he went back. But when it comes to life, you understand. And he came back to Me. He said, “All right, I’ll accept, and I’ll take the name of Guru Nanak.” I told him, “Mohammed Sahib himself is angry with you for behaving like this. Because he was hot a fanatic like you.” And when he did that, he was all right. It is very simple. But we are crazy people. We always go to the extremes, this way or that way. We go to the sympathetic side. You have to keep in the centre, for the parasympathetic, here. But, say, in London people are now crazy about football. So many are killed in that football ground. Imagine, the precious human life wasted for football! It’s criminal to be like that. So, those who are in the centre get Realization very easily. In India, I worked in the villages where thousands of them have got Realization. I don’t work in the cities much. I’m not effective. Only the thugs can work in the cities. Because you can pay them money, they run to the cities. And you accept them because they take money perhaps. It is an insult of the Divine to talk of money. You know that Christ took a big hunter (kind of whip) to beat people who were selling things in the… in the church. We have to change all that. You young people have to understand it. Your responsibility is much greater than anybody else’s. Because, when you are young, you… I have discovered this for you. If you do not take advantage of it, there would be a big problem later. We have to… we have to understand our own value; also understand how much God has worked hard to create us as the human beings. And we are not going to waste our precious life for these people full of greed and lust. We have to… we have to know ourselves, our own centres and the centres of others. If we… if we do not do it, then what’s the purpose of our life? But at the very outset, one must understand: there is no guru shopping on here. It’s all right, we had to take a hall, and you have to seat on a chair, but it’s a… it’s just an invitation of a mother to her children. And God has decided to give you life what is your own. Like any generous father, He wanted to enter you into His Kingdom and occupy that beautiful place that He’s given to His own children. So there is no business involved in there. So, with a very relaxed mind if you sit down, we’ll try to achieve this experience of actualization. At this very outset, I must tell you My experience with the Western people is that there is a fashion that they feel guilty about everything. If something is happening in Vietnam, they think we have done it. Now, French are no exception. But it is an insult of the compassion of God. What, what guilt can you commit that cannot be washed by that ocean? When He loves you, the whole ocean is with you. And this little speck of a so-called mythical guilt, why should it be valuable to us? (To Marie) Speck of it. The guilt. This is one of the greatest problems I’ve faced, is the way people become melodramatic about their guilt. Even this morning I was clearing it out for at least one hour of so many people who are sitting at the back. You have to be only in a receptive mood and in a hearted mood because you are going to receive the source of your joy, your own fulfilment, and the meaning of this Creation. That will solve all the problems that look so great. To Me, they are nothing. (Cut in the recording) So he said, “I want to attend the ball, which is going to be for seven hours.” I said, “Wonderful! That’s how you are going to save time.” That saving time, [UNCLEAR] has come to us through the unconscious within us. Because if you have no time, you will never see it. (Cut in the recording) And the seeking must have time, and you have desired to have time. So the time must be spent in seeking, and when you have got it, must be spent in giving others Self-realization. Once [UNCLEAR], you can enlighten another person. But it is a living process that takes time. In London, I had to work on six people inclusive of Marie for four years! By chance, My husband got posted in London, and I was there. I had to struggle for six people, but now we have at least thousand people in England. And their lives are completely changed. For example, this Marie herself was in such a bad shape as if she was under coma. She couldn’t understand Me, and I couldn’t understand her. And when the Kundalini rose and gave her Realization, she got the blessings of all these centres in a bundle. And she’s so much changed within these two years now that one cannot believe it. We have some people here from Syria. This child’s mother, who was really like a mad woman, screaming and shouting, epileptic. So many of them come to Me, they are all epilepsy patients. We have one Alan sitting here; he is also from the same lot. He was also very badly off. But now he is all right. They used to scream and shout. They were supposed to be flying. I said, “Ask your teacher to fly first.” And they paid three thousand pounds each for flying. There’s another barrister sitting here who was very badly off herself. One of them came from lunatic asylum. And after Realization she went back; the lunatic asylum said that “You are absolutely normal, you go back, we don’t need you here.” Like many other gurus also, those who are floating their enterprises — so many of them come to Me. It’s a guru shopping going on, and I am somewhere sitting in the corner, giving the reality. And when I say, “You cannot pay Me,” they all turn away. So by God’s grace, by… [UNCLEAR] well-off, and I come from a rich family; but if I was not, I would not have taken money for this from you, I’m not a parasite. I would avoid My [UNCLEAR life duty with] self-dignity, and would I have done this great work? Because this is My fulfilment. Like a mother who nurses her child for her own satisfaction. In the same way, it should be worked out. I don’t know with who, which gurus you have been involved, what you have been through, but doesn’t matter. I have solved all their problems, and your problems we’ll solve, too. But you must ask for aid to these problems, to tell Me that you have been to this guru or that guru; is easier for Me because I know all their tips and tricks. I’m sure it is going to work out. This is the first meeting in France. And if you ask Me, French people need it very much. They need it because they are very unhappy people. Because they can see the gap between themselves and the Spirit. And they are seeking the reality. I’ve read your many writers, like Maupassant, who was a realized soul, I think. And many other French writers I felt were realized souls were not very much appreciated maybe. Realized souls are never appreciated. Because others want to rationalize the whole thing. And you cannot understand them through rationality. Because they [UNCLEAR] unlimited, and rationality is limited. Somebody has to trigger this to happen, to jump into that realm of unlimited eternal bliss. Marie was very anxious always that I should come to Paris and [UNCLEAR] here. And today that day has come. She is a great Sahaja Yogini. (Everybody laughs after Marie translates it) (To Marie) You are translating. She was the only one here. But she told Me there are very beautiful people in Paris and they will work it out. I’ve been to Paris before also, and I could feel that. I hope it will work out. May God bless you! Thank you. (To somebody) Can you open the window? If there are any questions, you may ask Me. And we’ll have the experience also. Five, five minutes. Yes, please. Let’s listen to his question please. (To a seeker) Hmm? You are? Just ask. (A seeker asks a question in French) MARIE: [UNCLEAR The French all believe it]. Does the ego come from divine creation? SHRI MATAJI: From the…? MARIE: Does the ego come from the divine creation? SHRI MATAJI: No. It is a myth. As I told you that we… human beings don’t do anything. Anything that is dead, they convert it to another form. Like, a tree is dead — they make a furniture. They change… just transform the one form into another. But this transformation sometimes can sit on your head, because you can become slave of matter. Supposing you are used to a very comfortable chair, you can’t sit on this. But the Divine Power liberates you. You become master of yourself. SEEKER: I wanted to ask, but going to ask in English. SHRI MATAJI: Yes please, yeah. SEEKER: Once one achieves Self-realization, then not to say that he is not going — or she is — is not going to be frustrated, to have problems, when she suffers emotionally from time to time. Self-realization is just like a manner of dealing with [UNCLEAR] that has to be part of living. SHRI MATAJI: No, it’s not like that. SEEKER: Did you agree with that? SHRI MATAJI: No, I would say like this: that when you get your Self-realization, then you become a different person. Like an egg becoming a bird. You become a witness of the drama. You see the drama and enjoy it. SEEKER: But you don’t have to play. SHRI MATAJI: You do not get entangled. The… like the… you see, one thought rises and falls down, another rises and falls down. In between the thought there is a portion called vilamba, which is absolutely silent. You… that is the present. If this is the past and that is the future, in between is the silence. You jump into that silence, and you see everything around from that silence. All your priorities change. SEEKER: Values, probably. SHRI MATAJI: Absolutely, because they are absolute values. Now, say, you are sitting down here before Me. Now, I will value you spiritually, not that you are a king, or a servant, or a beggar, or a minister — that’s not important. Spiritually where are you — that I will judge. The whole value system changes, absolutely. SEEKER: And consequently, you wouldn’t suffer less… SHRI MATAJI: I mean, don’t suffer at all, I mean, you just see it. You don’t suffer, you just see it. You become a witness. SEEKER: Reaction to difficulties changes. SHRI MATAJI: Absolutely changes. SEEKER: But there will be difficulty? You say, it’s difficulty [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: See, difficulty is a myth. SEEKER: Is a myth? SHRI MATAJI: It’s a myth. Now, I’ll tell you how, I’ll tell you, just now, the example is, is very good example is. Just now Marie didn’t arrive here. For a general human being, it’s a catastrophe: that she is the organizer and missing from the situation. But to Me it is not, I’m seeing the play. MARIE: [UNCLEAR]? SHRI MATAJI: Oh, it’s all right, I knew that. So you tell them. Just to correct you. Yeah. Then you say [UNCLEAR]. And the problems are really created to create some working of the Divine. So-called problems. For example, Catherine is a shy girl, and she would not take the responsibility. And also she has a little problem of smoking. And she was escaping from Sahaja Yoga. But today she felt responsible. And how nicely she translated! That is how it is. (A seeker asks a question in French) MARIE: Do the effects of a just [UNCLEAR] of a just a month meditation fulfil our elementary needs? SHRI MATAJI: Oh, you become dynamic. I mean, as far as financial side is concerned, you become better off. Is a fact. Because Krishna has said: “Yoga kshema vahamyam” — first yoga, is union, and then the kshema, is the well-being, because of the Nabhi Chakra [UNCLEAR being enlightened] here. Because you get your satisfaction easier. You get… the whole thing becomes a satiable temperament. And then you start enjoying earning, because you can share. Because you become sensitive to the joy of sharing. Then you like to share than to enjoy yourself. Sahaja Yoga is a union of capitalism and communism. Because, see now, I have, supposing, all the powers, and I cannot enjoy them unless and until I share with you. So I am a capitalist because I’ve all the powers here, and I am the greatest communist because I can’t help it sharing it. All your values about politics also get different. This is all artificial politics. Real politics is of love. Which is so enjoyable that you don’t know how the time passes. You give up drinking because you never feel bored. That’s how you give up smoking. Now, fifty percent people who have come here were drug addicts. (Laughs) I used to call them druggists and chemists. (Laughs) And today they are beautiful people spreading beauty and love everywhere. That’s what it is. Looks very fantastic, isn’t it? It is. It is. You are the luckiest because you are the first to come to this program. Should we have the experience? Just put your hands like this, just like this, nothing is to be done. You have to take out your shoes because the Mother Earth must help us. Just take out your shoes, and… and both the hands should be like this. Yes. Just like this. Be comfortable, absolutely comfortably you must sit. It’s nothing external, it just works inside. You start feeling the cool breeze in your hands. First you will feel there is no thought in your mind. (To Marie) Tell them. That is the time when Kundalini crosses the Agnya. (To Marie) Please, tell them. When she pierces this fontanelle bone area, then you start getting this cool breeze in the hands from Me. But when you’ll turn away from Me, the cool breeze will flow from you. In the Bible it is called as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. And in India, we had a great philosopher called as Shankaracharya; he’s described, Adi Shankaracharya’s described it as Chaitanya lahari, or saundarya lahari. Saundarya means “the beauty, the waves of beauty”, and… MARIE: The Chaitanya is…? SHRI MATAJI: Chaitanya means… MARIE: Bliss maybe? SHRI MATAJI: Enlightenment. MARIE: Enlightenment. SHRI MATAJI: It’s more than that, Chaita— hmm… See, I’m not good at translation of Chaitanya. [UNCLEAR] of the enlightened, the waves of the enlightened. If you are an enlightened soul, you’ll be emitting these waves. Like, you must have read, somebody touched the cloth of Christ, and he felt the energy flew into… went into her. So please put your hands like this and close your eyes. First experience will be really great, no doubt. But it is to be consolidated properly. Because the Kundalini rises as soon as she comes to know that there is somebody who is authorized. But then again she may go back to supply your physical being or mental being or emotional being which is wounded. That is how she cures you. That’s how she cures your physical, mental, and emotional problems. Also we have spiritual problems from fake gurus. They also must be corrected. In the Sahaja Yoga system, we know how to cure ourselves and cure others. And we know how to give Realization. (Pause) Ah! Better. Linda, if you want to go, you can go. All right? It’s all right, we’ll manage. All right, you can go. You have the keys? John had it. MARIE: (To Linda) Marcus. Ask Marcus. SHRI MATAJI: Marcus has gone. YOGI: I have a key. SHRI MATAJI: (To somebody) Ah, better now? It’s good. [UNCLEAR]. You people again are feeling guilty. Please don’t feel guilty. If you have been to some guru or anything, you just don’t worry, that’s nothing to worry about. Please don’t feel guilty about it. Again, that’s the only problem, as I have told you. Don’t feel guilty; or you can say, “I’m not guilty.” Thrice. (Pause) Left Vishuddhi still. Om sakshat Sarva Mantra Siddhi, Om sakshat Sarva Mantra Siddhi … (Continues repeating the mantra) Don’t put your attention to any particular place, but just let it be loose. (To a seeker) You got cool breeze in the hands? She’s got, I think. [UNCLEAR] Realization. You see? Well, I think she is OK. Keep your eyes shut please. Keep your eyes shut. (Pause) Left Heart. Please forgive everyone. It’s a myth, not to forgive, also. Because you are just harming yourself by not forgiving. So you must say that “I forgive all those who have made me miserable.” When you can forgive other, then only you can forgive yourself also. You have to forgive yourself. If you don’t forgive, then you build up a mythical guilt that retards your Realization. When you forgive others, then only you can ask for forgiveness from them. Because you might have done some mistakes, so… that’s the only way we can ask for forgiveness. So, if you think you have done a mistake, so you don’t build any guilt. Because Divine is the ocean of compassion and love and forgiveness. And it is anxious that you should get your Realization. Otherwise it will have no meaning left. So, just to cooperate with it, you have to forgive. Please keep your eyes shut, but don’t keep your eyes in one place, or your attention in one place; just keep them loose. At the most, you can take it to your fontanelle area, on top of your head. (Pause) (To a seeker) You get it. Got it? She’s got it, I think. Any one of you knowing French come up here. She’s got it, I think. She’s good. (To Marie) You should say, “Those who are getting cool breeze, raise their hands.” Got it. Please raise them higher, I cannot see. All of you, those who have got cool breeze, raise your hands. [UNCLEAR]. Good. Now you raise their Kundalini on your own. Raise yours, and theirs will be raised. Let’s raise like that. She’s got it. Good. You can feel it, your head. (To a seeker) Have you got it, too? Cool breeze? Not yet? It’ll work out, work out, don’t you worry. You’ve got it. (To a yogini) No, this lady in front. Huh? It’s a cool breeze in the hands? (A seeker says something in French) What’s it? MARIE: Itching. SHRI MATAJI: Huh? MARIE: Itching. SHRI MATAJI: Itching? Little bit you rub it, a little bit you rub it. Some will get pins and needles. Better? She’s got it. (To another seeker) Have you got it, there, cool breeze? Matthew, just here. Matthew! See her, this lady. See her. Come here. Is he going now? You’re going to help Me a little, then you can go. Come here. Just see this lady. (About another seeker) She’s got it? Good! She’s good. Just works. (About another seeker) Ah, she’s got it. (To another seeker) It’s all right, it will work out. Matthew, just see this lady here, with the blue… No, no, no. Yeah, this one. No, no, this one here, this with the blue… yes, she… [UNCLEAR], yes. Just see on her head. Just feel it. (About another seeker) She’s got it? She’s got it. MARIE: She’s got it. [UNCLEAR] for a long time. SHRI MATAJI: Yes, I know that. She’s got it, yes. Very good. (To another seeker) What about you? Not yet? [UNCLEAR somebody’s name], you see both of them, what’s the matter. Ann, what do you say of the gentleman in front of you? Vishuddhi? Aha. This gentleman, here? You’ve got it, too. Ladies are better in Paris, isn’t it? (Laughs) They are getting faster. Now, what about this gentleman here? Hilary, just see that gentleman in front of you. Where is she? Come here. This one, this gentleman here. Yes, just see… Ah, [UNCLEAR], I thought you were Hilary, I couldn’t see her. Yeah, I’m sorry. YOGINI: Now two would be better [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: Ah. Yes, two would be better in any case. What about him, got he? (To a seeker) You’ve got it, too. Yes, you’ve got it, I can see that. Don’t you feel it? (To Linda) Do you know… Linda, do you know French, you ask to them to come there. (About another seeker) Has he got it, this…? Put him left to the right, he’ll be all right. Have you got it now? Right, not the left, all right? (To a seeker) Now, can you put your right hand on your heart? Can you open your coat a little bit? Coat, if you can open? Yeah. And if you could put your right hand on the heart? Yeah, just… just… yeah, yes, just a little. (About another seeker) She’ll be all right, she’s got it. Now see these two gentlemen, what’s the problem. (About another seeker) Oh, he is all right. Ann? Are you feeling? ANN: Yes. SHRI MATAJI: Are you? (About another seeker) He’s very good, isn’t he? Eh, Camilla? He’s excellent. (To another yogi) Left to the right, he’s also… his… is the Vishuddhi. (To another seeker) You are all right, I have [UNCLEAR] you. He’s very nice. Beautiful! (To a yogini) What do you say? YOGINI: [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: Huh? SEEKER: [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: Do you… did you go to any guru? (To somebody) Ah, you know French, can you ask questions here? YOGINI: She speaks French. SHRI MATAJI: Who? YOGINI: The [UNCLEAR]. She speaks English, too. (The seeker answers the question about a guru in the affirmative) SHRI MATAJI: That’s it, that’s why. Who was it? Clear? You must say it; after all, you want your Realization. YOGINI: He says it’s somebody [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: Doesn’t matter. Just tell Me the name. That helps. Your Realization is more important than anything, isn’t it? (About another seeker) She’s got it. (About another seeker) She is all right, she’s [UNCLEAR]. (To another seeker) You are better, too. She’s better, she’s improving. Still, you are better. You’re coming fast [UNCLEAR]. (To somebody) What’s the matter, why don’t you care? (About another seeker) She is good, she is [UNCLEAR], yeah. (About another seeker) Has he got it? This gentleman should get it. MARIE: He is catching on the left Nabhi. SHRI MATAJI: Ask him about his marriage. Is he married? Is he married? MARIE: No, he is… SHRI MATAJI: No? Why? MARIE: [UNCLEAR] SHRI MATAJI: Huh? MARIE: Never… never happened. SHRI MATAJI: (To the seeker) You see, because you’re not married. ANOTHER SEEKER: Can I talk to You? SHRI MATAJI: Yeah.	null	null	null	Public Program Day 1, 16 April 1980, Paris, France This bone is called sacrum by Greeks. That means “sacred”. And this bone in medical profession is known that in the fire it never gets burnt. But you can see with your own eyes the pulsation in that bone and the pulsation going higher and higher in the backbone. And when it is awakened, you can also hear with the stethoscope the same sound as you hear… like the heart: lub-dub, lub-dub — till it comes to the fontanelle bone, here, in the fontanelle bone area, where the bone is very soft when you are a child; we call it as talu. When it pierces that bone, then you start feeling a cool breeze flowing from your head. Now, that time you feel absolutely blissful and tranquil. This is the baptism. This is the real baptism, not the artificial one that theological college students can do. (Laughs) That is… that is unauthorized, that is unauthorized. That… Now, in the medical terminology, you can understand that we’ve got left and right sympathetic nervous system within us. And in the centre is the parasympathetic. Now, they call it as autonomous nervous system. But who is this “auto”? Who works it out? Who works out the autonomous nervous system? These… out of these, the left and the right sympathetic come into play when we go into some emergency. Left and right sympathetic. Supposing you want to run. Then sympathetic will come into activity, and your heartbeat will go up, your breathing will go up. But it is slowed down by parasympathetic. Automatically. Nobody can control parasympathetic. Now, this parasympathetic, whatever we have, is responsible for all kinds of coordination within us, all kinds of balances within us, and all kinds of supply of energy, vital energy to different centres within us. CATHERINE (translator): Is it possible [UNCLEAR]? SHRI MATAJI: Oh, it’s all right, oh, it’s all right. Yeah. (Laughs) [UNCLEAR] Yeah. Tomorrow — [UNCLEAR] very well, thank you very much, [UNCLEAR] — tomorrow Christine is coming; she’s coming and, you see, and that is even better because she is a translator. Now, how do you do that? YOGINI: Well, there’s no other nail. SHRI MATAJI: All right, you just put it on this. Make it short and put it down here, everybody can see. Can you see, all of you, this one? Quite all right, [UNCLEAR]. (About Catherine, who translated the first part) Very interesting how things work out, isn’t it? I discovered that she was such a great translator. Yeah, she knows English so well, I mean… is a difficult subject, isn’t it, to translate. And you all have been so kind and patient. All right. So we have here… All of you can see [UNCLEAR]? All right? YOGINI: Yes. SHRI MATAJI: What are you doing? You put [UNCLEAR]. Now, this, the sympathetic nervous system about which I spoke is in the gross, outside. You can see them along the spinal cord with the ganglions, you can see with your naked eyes. But this sympathetic nervous system is worked out by two of the channels, here, which are subtle, inside the spinal cord. These two channels carry two types of energy within us: one, this, and another, this. This energy that resides within us is the energy by which we desire. This energy is coming from our past, or it looks after our past; all your psyche, so-called psyche, and all the conditionings of the psyche — all that works out on this line. This channel in the Sanskrit language is called as Ida, and this one is called as the Pingala, which is carrying on all the power for our creativity work, which also cater for our future planning and future thinking. So most of the thinking is done by this, and the desiring is done by this. Now, this is the one that gives rise to this parasympathetic outside, out of which part of it is developed in the human beings, and there is a big gap left within us. This is called as the Void, as described in many scriptures that there is a void between us and God. Now, this is the Kundalini I was telling you about, in three and a half coil, here, in the sacrum bone. (To Marie, translator) Now, come along, tell all [UNCLEAR]. (Marie translates the first part) (To Marie) What’s it, first one? Which one? [UNCLEAR]? (Marie translates the second part) (To Marie) Now, what’s it? MARIE: I’m not a very good translator, Mother. SHRI MATAJI: That’s all right, but whatever it is, [UNCLEAR] about the Kundalini, it’s all right, [UNCLEAR] in the triangular. I’ve already told them: in the sacrum bone, you see? You told them that? MARIE: Yes. SHRI MATAJI: All right. So. Now… so I’ll make short sentences. I thought you know all that, so I [UNCLEAR]. It’s all right. Now, this one is here, which is responsible for giving us our second birth. Can you see now? This is the one which is responsible for giving us the second birth. This is the one which awakens and passes through these one, two, three, four, five, six — six centres. Now, these six centres are subtle centres within ourselves, within the spinal cord, inside the spinal cord. (To Marie) Translate. Now, our Spirit is here in the heart, as shown in here. This resides in here. But actually, this Spirit is actually resides on top of your head, there. But it has… what you call, the seat is there, but he resides here; the seat is here, and the governor seat is here — and he resides here. We were talking about finding out our Spirit, absolute point, here. Now, this is all organized within us during our different evolutions, and they are like milestones within us. Now, this… for example, this one marks, here, our evolution when we got carbon atom within us, carbon element. When the life started. Now we are at the end of our evolution. So the time has come for people to get mass Realization. And that’s why there is such a great seeking. The Kundalini sits there — she is your Mother, she… you are her only child — waiting for that day when she can give you the second birth. In many of your lives through evolution, she is there. But those who have the authority to raise the Kundalini, strong divine power, can [UNCLEAR]. And those who try to just have some artificial method make the person suffer, and they also suffer. Because… like a villager who comes, say, from India, who has never seen electricity, puts his hand into the two holes of electrical plug and says that “Electricity gives me a shock.” In the Sahaja Yoga so far, thousands of people have received their Realization, more in India and less abroad; none of them have got any bad experience. On the contrary, when we are working through our sympathetic too much, then, because of this one, we develop our superego, and because of this one, we develop our ego. By over-conditioning we develop superego, and by boasting we develop ego. Because human beings do not do anything living. Everything is done by the Divine Power. We cannot convert one flower into a fruit. But the Divine Power converts billions and billions of them every day. So our ego is artificial. In the same way, when we fight our innocence, our conditioning also becomes artificial. With too much working of these systems — like this, on the left and the right — the movement of these systems breaks the chakras, centres. (To Marie) Overactivity. And thus we lose our connection with the whole. And cancer is setting. With the brain getting clouded with these, also you get terrible tension. Most of the human beings has come because of imbalances within ourselves and also our relationship with our atmosphere and other things. All these problems can be solved if you could reach your absolute point. Because, as soon as Kundalini pierces through the fontanelle bone area, the Spirit starts radiating. When the Spirit radiates, we can find out about every absolute purpose. Because first we jump into collective consciousness; we actualize it. It’s not brainwashing, it just happens to you. For example, these fingers showed here are showing… when these centres are enlightened by the Kundalini… are expressed on the fingers, on all these fingers. On your fingers, you start feeling the chakras. For example, there was a gentleman in Bombay… in London, who got his Realization, and he could not believe it. And his father was sick. He did not know about it, but suddenly he started getting a pain here and a burning here. And I told him that this is the chakra for Vishuddhi; that means this is for the father, so must be your father must be sick of some kind. So he telephoned to his father in Scotland, and he found he was suffering from bronchitis. (To Marie) Bronchitis. MARIE: Just couldn’t follow. [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: This is the physical side, this is the emotional side. Because you are connected with the all-pervading Power, that has got all telecommunication much better than human beings have. When I say there are lots of colours here and pictures, you won’t believe it, but if I put a television here, immediately you’ll start seeing it there. Like that, you are also a special instrument created by God. With great love and with very great care He has created you. And now you are to be put to the mains, as television needs to be put to the mains. And as soon as you are put to the mains, it starts working. And it is fantastic! When it starts working, one cannot even believe it; it is that fantastic! But one must remember that thousands of years were spent creating this beautiful instrument of [UNCLEAR]. You cannot see that beauty within you, but I can see that very clearly. And that is the reason why you are still seeking. But in doing so, I do not do any obligation on you. Like one light which is enlightened can enlighten another candle. What is the obligation in that involved? You are made like that. And this is it you made for; you can say, the light, which is dormant, which can be enlightened. It is a very simple thing. But we are so complicated that we can’t believe into anything that is simple. We want everything to be explained by books. It would be something like an egg becoming a bird going to the library to find out, to find out how to fly, while the power to fly is built in the wings. The more complicated you are, the more it is difficult to accept yourself. The more simple you are, the more easy it is to understand. But whether you understand it or not, it works. Whether you believe in it, not, it’s so. But in case you just deny it and disrespect it, it won’t. You have to cooperate with it. Actually, you should ask for it. Because this is what you are seeking. The Divine is not going to fall at your feet and ask for your mercy to take it. If you want it, you should just ask for it, and you’ll get it. Because the time has come, the blossom time has come. And that’s why many, many flowers are getting transformed into fruits. This was all prophesied long time back. That false prophets would be coming, also. And you see there are so many of them. They use the same language of “new awareness”, “Self-realization”, some sort of a meditation. But you cannot pay for God. He is not for sale. You cannot organize Him. Neither can you conceive it. You have to accept as He is. How much did you pay for getting this beautiful body? Why should you pay for getting the higher awareness? But in the West people are spiritually very naive. They don’t understand the simple thing like this. And they want to pay for everything. And those who want to cheat you can pamper your ego by taking money from you. But a realized soul of that level cannot take anything from you; you cannot give. It just flows one side. You have to just take from that. It’s a very different thing. But there are so many “guru shops” going on, and the “supermarkets of spirituality”; and we think we can cash our own [UNCLEAR]. You can only cash your good deeds and your love, your compassion and your steadfastness, your honesty and your simplicity. [UNCLEAR] money. It is inconceivable that you can purchase God. So, whatever you are purchasing with money may be some spirits. Not the Spirit. It’s surprising in English language for both they use the same word. And even for alcohol. But in Sanskrit language it is called as atma, the one that is your Self. When you say, “I like something,” you do not know what you mean by that, because there is no way of knowing which one is this “I”. Is it… is it my tradition, my conditioning, or my ego? There is no universal absolute by which you can judge it. For a Frenchman may say, “It’s beautiful,” but Englishman may say, “It’s not.” And Indian may not like it at all. But if we are all human beings, there should be a common denominator to find out the truth, which should be one. When you get your Self-realization — means when you realize your Self — then the radiation that passes through your hands of these vibrations is the first time that your conscious mind is feeling the Spirit. That means first time your Self is flowing through your central nervous system. Now, your central nervous system is something that you have so far achieved up to a human point. Like the wirework, done. But when you’re put to the mains, the energy of the Self starts flowing. That is how your awareness becomes absolute. Now supposing these two children are realized souls. There are many children who are born realized; that little one is also born realized. So… Marie, translate. There may be many French also. MARIE: Huh? SHRI MATAJI: There may be many more French children born, born realized. Now, how will you know that they are realized souls or not? On the contrary, if somebody floats a big organization and [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR a big circus], you may think that person is a realized soul. But these children know out of you who is realized and who is not, because they can feel it through their vibrations. They also know where is your Kundalini just now. They also know what diseases you’ve got, and they also know how to cure them. They also know what is your mental problem, and they also know how to give you Realization. They are very small, they are not intellectual, they have not been to school — but they know it. Because it becomes a subjective knowledge, it becomes a knowledge of the subject itself. Actualization. For actualization. As you can say, “This is a rose,” or, “This is a lotus,” by its fragrance they can see your Kundalini on their fingertips. In the older days, when Self-realization started working, only there were hardly one or two flowers on the tree of life. But people did not understand that. Because somebody is born on the tenth floor cannot be understood by people on the ground floor. That’s why they crucified Christ. It was a fact that He was the only Son of God. It can be proved in Kundalini. Because He resides on this centre here where you see the red spot, at this crossing point called as the Agnya Chakra. This one is placed [in] a very subtle point between the pituitary and the pineal body in the brain. MARIE: Pineal? SHRI MATAJI: Pituitary, pineal body. Out of which pituitary controls the ego, and the pineal body superego. So, these are all other centres, which have other leaders, who came to evolve on this earth, to help in our awareness — are placed there within us, all of them are within us. That gradually you will learn when you get your Realization and when you will go deeper into it, that there are all these deities there — and that can be proved. For example, there was a doctor from Iran who was suffering from cancer; he came to see Me in London. He had the cancer of the stomach. In this part resides all the ten great Masters, or the Primordial Masters, the incarnations of the Primordial Master. He… I told… I asked him what religion was he following; he said he was a Muslim, an out and out Muslim. I said, “What does that mean?”, so he said it means only Mohammed was the only last prophet, that cannot be any other prophets. I said, “How do you know? How are you so cocksure about it? How can you claim that he was the last prophet?” Moreover, his cancer was due to that kind of a fanaticism within his stomach. I told him, “You have to believe in other prophets also.” We had a prophet in India called Guru Nanak, who was the incarnation of the same. Abraham, Moses — all of them were the incarnation of the same principle. But he would not accept it. I said, “I can’t heal your cancer.” So he went back. But when it comes to life, you understand. And he came back to Me. He said, “All right, I’ll accept, and I’ll take the name of Guru Nanak.” I told him, “Mohammed Sahib himself is angry with you for behaving like this. Because he was hot a fanatic like you.” And when he did that, he was all right. It is very simple. But we are crazy people. We always go to the extremes, this way or that way. We go to the sympathetic side. You have to keep in the centre, for the parasympathetic, here. But, say, in London people are now crazy about football. So many are killed in that football ground. Imagine, the precious human life wasted for football! It’s criminal to be like that. So, those who are in the centre get Realization very easily. In India, I worked in the villages where thousands of them have got Realization. I don’t work in the cities much. I’m not effective. Only the thugs can work in the cities. Because you can pay them money, they run to the cities. And you accept them because they take money perhaps. It is an insult of the Divine to talk of money. You know that Christ took a big hunter (kind of whip) to beat people who were selling things in the… in the church. We have to change all that. You young people have to understand it. Your responsibility is much greater than anybody else’s. Because, when you are young, you… I have discovered this for you. If you do not take advantage of it, there would be a big problem later. We have to… we have to understand our own value; also understand how much God has worked hard to create us as the human beings. And we are not going to waste our precious life for these people full of greed and lust. We have to… we have to know ourselves, our own centres and the centres of others. If we… if we do not do it, then what’s the purpose of our life? But at the very outset, one must understand: there is no guru shopping on here. It’s all right, we had to take a hall, and you have to seat on a chair, but it’s a… it’s just an invitation of a mother to her children. And God has decided to give you life what is your own. Like any generous father, He wanted to enter you into His Kingdom and occupy that beautiful place that He’s given to His own children. So there is no business involved in there. So, with a very relaxed mind if you sit down, we’ll try to achieve this experience of actualization. At this very outset, I must tell you My experience with the Western people is that there is a fashion that they feel guilty about everything. If something is happening in Vietnam, they think we have done it. Now, French are no exception. But it is an insult of the compassion of God. What, what guilt can you commit that cannot be washed by that ocean? When He loves you, the whole ocean is with you. And this little speck of a so-called mythical guilt, why should it be valuable to us? (To Marie) Speck of it. The guilt. This is one of the greatest problems I’ve faced, is the way people become melodramatic about their guilt. Even this morning I was clearing it out for at least one hour of so many people who are sitting at the back. You have to be only in a receptive mood and in a hearted mood because you are going to receive the source of your joy, your own fulfilment, and the meaning of this Creation. That will solve all the problems that look so great. To Me, they are nothing. (Cut in the recording) So he said, “I want to attend the ball, which is going to be for seven hours.” I said, “Wonderful! That’s how you are going to save time.” That saving time, [UNCLEAR] has come to us through the unconscious within us. Because if you have no time, you will never see it. (Cut in the recording) And the seeking must have time, and you have desired to have time. So the time must be spent in seeking, and when you have got it, must be spent in giving others Self-realization. Once [UNCLEAR], you can enlighten another person. But it is a living process that takes time. In London, I had to work on six people inclusive of Marie for four years! By chance, My husband got posted in London, and I was there. I had to struggle for six people, but now we have at least thousand people in England. And their lives are completely changed. For example, this Marie herself was in such a bad shape as if she was under coma. She couldn’t understand Me, and I couldn’t understand her. And when the Kundalini rose and gave her Realization, she got the blessings of all these centres in a bundle. And she’s so much changed within these two years now that one cannot believe it. We have some people here from Syria. This child’s mother, who was really like a mad woman, screaming and shouting, epileptic. So many of them come to Me, they are all epilepsy patients. We have one Alan sitting here; he is also from the same lot. He was also very badly off. But now he is all right. They used to scream and shout. They were supposed to be flying. I said, “Ask your teacher to fly first.” And they paid three thousand pounds each for flying. There’s another barrister sitting here who was very badly off herself. One of them came from lunatic asylum. And after Realization she went back; the lunatic asylum said that “You are absolutely normal, you go back, we don’t need you here.” Like many other gurus also, those who are floating their enterprises — so many of them come to Me. It’s a guru shopping going on, and I am somewhere sitting in the corner, giving the reality. And when I say, “You cannot pay Me,” they all turn away. So by God’s grace, by… [UNCLEAR] well-off, and I come from a rich family; but if I was not, I would not have taken money for this from you, I’m not a parasite. I would avoid My [UNCLEAR life duty with] self-dignity, and would I have done this great work? Because this is My fulfilment. Like a mother who nurses her child for her own satisfaction. In the same way, it should be worked out. I don’t know with who, which gurus you have been involved, what you have been through, but doesn’t matter. I have solved all their problems, and your problems we’ll solve, too. But you must ask for aid to these problems, to tell Me that you have been to this guru or that guru; is easier for Me because I know all their tips and tricks. I’m sure it is going to work out. This is the first meeting in France. And if you ask Me, French people need it very much. They need it because they are very unhappy people. Because they can see the gap between themselves and the Spirit. And they are seeking the reality. I’ve read your many writers, like Maupassant, who was a realized soul, I think. And many other French writers I felt were realized souls were not very much appreciated maybe. Realized souls are never appreciated. Because others want to rationalize the whole thing. And you cannot understand them through rationality. Because they [UNCLEAR] unlimited, and rationality is limited. Somebody has to trigger this to happen, to jump into that realm of unlimited eternal bliss. Marie was very anxious always that I should come to Paris and [UNCLEAR] here. And today that day has come. She is a great Sahaja Yogini. (Everybody laughs after Marie translates it) (To Marie) You are translating. She was the only one here. But she told Me there are very beautiful people in Paris and they will work it out. I’ve been to Paris before also, and I could feel that. I hope it will work out. May God bless you! Thank you. (To somebody) Can you open the window? If there are any questions, you may ask Me. And we’ll have the experience also. Five, five minutes. Yes, please. Let’s listen to his question please. (To a seeker) Hmm? You are? Just ask. (A seeker asks a question in French) MARIE: [UNCLEAR The French all believe it]. Does the ego come from divine creation? SHRI MATAJI: From the…? MARIE: Does the ego come from the divine creation? SHRI MATAJI: No. It is a myth. As I told you that we… human beings don’t do anything. Anything that is dead, they convert it to another form. Like, a tree is dead — they make a furniture. They change… just transform the one form into another. But this transformation sometimes can sit on your head, because you can become slave of matter. Supposing you are used to a very comfortable chair, you can’t sit on this. But the Divine Power liberates you. You become master of yourself. SEEKER: I wanted to ask, but going to ask in English. SHRI MATAJI: Yes please, yeah. SEEKER: Once one achieves Self-realization, then not to say that he is not going — or she is — is not going to be frustrated, to have problems, when she suffers emotionally from time to time. Self-realization is just like a manner of dealing with [UNCLEAR] that has to be part of living. SHRI MATAJI: No, it’s not like that. SEEKER: Did you agree with that? SHRI MATAJI: No, I would say like this: that when you get your Self-realization, then you become a different person. Like an egg becoming a bird. You become a witness of the drama. You see the drama and enjoy it. SEEKER: But you don’t have to play. SHRI MATAJI: You do not get entangled. The… like the… you see, one thought rises and falls down, another rises and falls down. In between the thought there is a portion called vilamba, which is absolutely silent. You… that is the present. If this is the past and that is the future, in between is the silence. You jump into that silence, and you see everything around from that silence. All your priorities change. SEEKER: Values, probably. SHRI MATAJI: Absolutely, because they are absolute values. Now, say, you are sitting down here before Me. Now, I will value you spiritually, not that you are a king, or a servant, or a beggar, or a minister — that’s not important. Spiritually where are you — that I will judge. The whole value system changes, absolutely. SEEKER: And consequently, you wouldn’t suffer less… SHRI MATAJI: I mean, don’t suffer at all, I mean, you just see it. You don’t suffer, you just see it. You become a witness. SEEKER: Reaction to difficulties changes. SHRI MATAJI: Absolutely changes. SEEKER: But there will be difficulty? You say, it’s difficulty [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: See, difficulty is a myth. SEEKER: Is a myth? SHRI MATAJI: It’s a myth. Now, I’ll tell you how, I’ll tell you, just now, the example is, is very good example is. Just now Marie didn’t arrive here. For a general human being, it’s a catastrophe: that she is the organizer and missing from the situation. But to Me it is not, I’m seeing the play. MARIE: [UNCLEAR]? SHRI MATAJI: Oh, it’s all right, I knew that. So you tell them. Just to correct you. Yeah. Then you say [UNCLEAR]. And the problems are really created to create some working of the Divine. So-called problems. For example, Catherine is a shy girl, and she would not take the responsibility. And also she has a little problem of smoking. And she was escaping from Sahaja Yoga. But today she felt responsible. And how nicely she translated! That is how it is. (A seeker asks a question in French) MARIE: Do the effects of a just [UNCLEAR] of a just a month meditation fulfil our elementary needs? SHRI MATAJI: Oh, you become dynamic. I mean, as far as financial side is concerned, you become better off. Is a fact. Because Krishna has said: “Yoga kshema vahamyam” — first yoga, is union, and then the kshema, is the well-being, because of the Nabhi Chakra [UNCLEAR being enlightened] here. Because you get your satisfaction easier. You get… the whole thing becomes a satiable temperament. And then you start enjoying earning, because you can share. Because you become sensitive to the joy of sharing. Then you like to share than to enjoy yourself. Sahaja Yoga is a union of capitalism and communism. Because, see now, I have, supposing, all the powers, and I cannot enjoy them unless and until I share with you. So I am a capitalist because I’ve all the powers here, and I am the greatest communist because I can’t help it sharing it. All your values about politics also get different. This is all artificial politics. Real politics is of love. Which is so enjoyable that you don’t know how the time passes. You give up drinking because you never feel bored. That’s how you give up smoking. Now, fifty percent people who have come here were drug addicts. (Laughs) I used to call them druggists and chemists. (Laughs) And today they are beautiful people spreading beauty and love everywhere. That’s what it is. Looks very fantastic, isn’t it? It is. It is. You are the luckiest because you are the first to come to this program. Should we have the experience? Just put your hands like this, just like this, nothing is to be done. You have to take out your shoes because the Mother Earth must help us. Just take out your shoes, and… and both the hands should be like this. Yes. Just like this. Be comfortable, absolutely comfortably you must sit. It’s nothing external, it just works inside. You start feeling the cool breeze in your hands. First you will feel there is no thought in your mind. (To Marie) Tell them. That is the time when Kundalini crosses the Agnya. (To Marie) Please, tell them. When she pierces this fontanelle bone area, then you start getting this cool breeze in the hands from Me. But when you’ll turn away from Me, the cool breeze will flow from you. In the Bible it is called as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. And in India, we had a great philosopher called as Shankaracharya; he’s described, Adi Shankaracharya’s described it as Chaitanya lahari, or saundarya lahari. Saundarya means “the beauty, the waves of beauty”, and… MARIE: The Chaitanya is…? SHRI MATAJI: Chaitanya means… MARIE: Bliss maybe? SHRI MATAJI: Enlightenment. MARIE: Enlightenment. SHRI MATAJI: It’s more than that, Chaita— hmm… See, I’m not good at translation of Chaitanya. [UNCLEAR] of the enlightened, the waves of the enlightened. If you are an enlightened soul, you’ll be emitting these waves. Like, you must have read, somebody touched the cloth of Christ, and he felt the energy flew into… went into her. So please put your hands like this and close your eyes. First experience will be really great, no doubt. But it is to be consolidated properly. Because the Kundalini rises as soon as she comes to know that there is somebody who is authorized. But then again she may go back to supply your physical being or mental being or emotional being which is wounded. That is how she cures you. That’s how she cures your physical, mental, and emotional problems. Also we have spiritual problems from fake gurus. They also must be corrected. In the Sahaja Yoga system, we know how to cure ourselves and cure others. And we know how to give Realization. (Pause) Ah! Better. Linda, if you want to go, you can go. All right? It’s all right, we’ll manage. All right, you can go. You have the keys? John had it. MARIE: (To Linda) Marcus. Ask Marcus. SHRI MATAJI: Marcus has gone. YOGI: I have a key. SHRI MATAJI: (To somebody) Ah, better now? It’s good. [UNCLEAR]. You people again are feeling guilty. Please don’t feel guilty. If you have been to some guru or anything, you just don’t worry, that’s nothing to worry about. Please don’t feel guilty about it. Again, that’s the only problem, as I have told you. Don’t feel guilty; or you can say, “I’m not guilty.” Thrice. (Pause) Left Vishuddhi still. Om sakshat Sarva Mantra Siddhi, Om sakshat Sarva Mantra Siddhi … (Continues repeating the mantra) Don’t put your attention to any particular place, but just let it be loose. (To a seeker) You got cool breeze in the hands? She’s got, I think. [UNCLEAR] Realization. You see? Well, I think she is OK. Keep your eyes shut please. Keep your eyes shut. (Pause) Left Heart. Please forgive everyone. It’s a myth, not to forgive, also. Because you are just harming yourself by not forgiving. So you must say that “I forgive all those who have made me miserable.” When you can forgive other, then only you can forgive yourself also. You have to forgive yourself. If you don’t forgive, then you build up a mythical guilt that retards your Realization. When you forgive others, then only you can ask for forgiveness from them. Because you might have done some mistakes, so… that’s the only way we can ask for forgiveness. So, if you think you have done a mistake, so you don’t build any guilt. Because Divine is the ocean of compassion and love and forgiveness. And it is anxious that you should get your Realization. Otherwise it will have no meaning left. So, just to cooperate with it, you have to forgive. Please keep your eyes shut, but don’t keep your eyes in one place, or your attention in one place; just keep them loose. At the most, you can take it to your fontanelle area, on top of your head. (Pause) (To a seeker) You get it. Got it? She’s got it, I think. Any one of you knowing French come up here. She’s got it, I think. She’s good. (To Marie) You should say, “Those who are getting cool breeze, raise their hands.” Got it. Please raise them higher, I cannot see. All of you, those who have got cool breeze, raise your hands. [UNCLEAR]. Good. Now you raise their Kundalini on your own. Raise yours, and theirs will be raised. Let’s raise like that. She’s got it. Good. You can feel it, your head. (To a seeker) Have you got it, too? Cool breeze? Not yet? It’ll work out, work out, don’t you worry. You’ve got it. (To a yogini) No, this lady in front. Huh? It’s a cool breeze in the hands? (A seeker says something in French) What’s it? MARIE: Itching. SHRI MATAJI: Huh? MARIE: Itching. SHRI MATAJI: Itching? Little bit you rub it, a little bit you rub it. Some will get pins and needles. Better? She’s got it. (To another seeker) Have you got it, there, cool breeze? Matthew, just here. Matthew! See her, this lady. See her. Come here. Is he going now? You’re going to help Me a little, then you can go. Come here. Just see this lady. (About another seeker) She’s got it? Good! She’s good. Just works. (About another seeker) Ah, she’s got it. (To another seeker) It’s all right, it will work out. Matthew, just see this lady here, with the blue… No, no, no. Yeah, this one. No, no, this one here, this with the blue… yes, she… [UNCLEAR], yes. Just see on her head. Just feel it. (About another seeker) She’s got it? She’s got it. MARIE: She’s got it. [UNCLEAR] for a long time. SHRI MATAJI: Yes, I know that. She’s got it, yes. Very good. (To another seeker) What about you? Not yet? [UNCLEAR somebody’s name], you see both of them, what’s the matter. Ann, what do you say of the gentleman in front of you? Vishuddhi? Aha. This gentleman, here? You’ve got it, too. Ladies are better in Paris, isn’t it? (Laughs) They are getting faster. Now, what about this gentleman here? Hilary, just see that gentleman in front of you. Where is she? Come here. This one, this gentleman here. Yes, just see… Ah, [UNCLEAR], I thought you were Hilary, I couldn’t see her. Yeah, I’m sorry. YOGINI: Now two would be better [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: Ah. Yes, two would be better in any case. What about him, got he? (To a seeker) You’ve got it, too. Yes, you’ve got it, I can see that. Don’t you feel it? (To Linda) Do you know… Linda, do you know French, you ask to them to come there. (About another seeker) Has he got it, this…? Put him left to the right, he’ll be all right. Have you got it now? Right, not the left, all right? (To a seeker) Now, can you put your right hand on your heart? Can you open your coat a little bit? Coat, if you can open? Yeah. And if you could put your right hand on the heart? Yeah, just… just… yeah, yes, just a little. (About another seeker) She’ll be all right, she’s got it. Now see these two gentlemen, what’s the problem. (About another seeker) Oh, he is all right. Ann? Are you feeling? ANN: Yes. SHRI MATAJI: Are you? (About another seeker) He’s very good, isn’t he? Eh, Camilla? He’s excellent. (To another yogi) Left to the right, he’s also… his… is the Vishuddhi. (To another seeker) You are all right, I have [UNCLEAR] you. He’s very nice. Beautiful! (To a yogini) What do you say? YOGINI: [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: Huh? SEEKER: [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: Do you… did you go to any guru? (To somebody) Ah, you know French, can you ask questions here? YOGINI: She speaks French. SHRI MATAJI: Who? YOGINI: The [UNCLEAR]. She speaks English, too. (The seeker answers the question about a guru in the affirmative) SHRI MATAJI: That’s it, that’s why. Who was it? Clear? You must say it; after all, you want your Realization. YOGINI: He says it’s somebody [UNCLEAR]. SHRI MATAJI: Doesn’t matter. Just tell Me the name. That helps. Your Realization is more important than anything, isn’t it? (About another seeker) She’s got it. (About another seeker) She is all right, she’s [UNCLEAR]. (To another seeker) You are better, too. She’s better, she’s improving. Still, you are better. You’re coming fast [UNCLEAR]. (To somebody) What’s the matter, why don’t you care? (About another seeker) She is good, she is [UNCLEAR], yeah. (About another seeker) Has he got it? This gentleman should get it. MARIE: He is catching on the left Nabhi. SHRI MATAJI: Ask him about his marriage. Is he married? Is he married? MARIE: No, he is… SHRI MATAJI: No? Why? MARIE: [UNCLEAR] SHRI MATAJI: Huh? MARIE: Never… never happened. SHRI MATAJI: (To the seeker) You see, because you’re not married. ANOTHER SEEKER: Can I talk to You? SHRI MATAJI: Yeah.
4/17/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=12732	The description of the chakras and plexuses within	France	Paris	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	24	1980-04-17 Public Program Day 2, Paris This is the first center called as Mooladhara center, is the subtle center which manifests outside, in the gross what we call as pelvic plexus. This has got four petals while in the same way the pelvic plexus also has got four sub plexuses. It looks after all our excretory functions. This is like a lotus in the mud of excretion. It looks after the sex activity, but this is innocence. Innocent do not understand sex. This is enthroned by Shri Ganesha who has the trunk of a… elephant. You can see it clearly within your center. May be in the beginning of time people misunderstood the trunk for the Kundalini. This is the support of all the Holy Scriptures, but it is below the Kundalini because it looks after the protocol of the Kundalini that is His Mother. This is you as a child and this is your mother Kundalini. You have (are) the only child she has, and she is born again and again with you waiting to give you Self-Realisation. So one should understand that sex plays no part in the spiritual evolution. This one is the second center which arises from the third called as Nabhi Chakra which means the navel center. This has got ten petals, and this manifests outside as Solar Plexus. And the Solar plexus also has got ten sub plexuses. This represents our seeking. Tomorrow I’ll tell you how we changed I mean we manifestate our seeking one after another. How hunger evolve into Divine seeking. And then I will talk about your material seeking. This center comes out of this center here. Is the center which gives us this creative power. It goes around like this and can also bend. It gives us power to think in the sense that it converts the fat in the stomach to be transformed into the brain, because when we think we use the cells of the brain, grey cells of the brain. Apart from this, this center which is called as Swadishthana center has to look after many visceras, many organs. This manifests Aortic plexus outside. This supplies liver, higher portion of liver, and pancreas, then spleen, then kidneys and also the intestine and the part of the ascending descending colon. So this is a very important chakra, but when we think too much of the future, then this chakra goes crazy, it has to do too much work, and it cannot keep pace, so the brain which is receiving all the attention, does all the thinking, but all other organs which I have told you, suffer, so mostly those people who think too much have a bad liver. They have a bad pancreas. That’s why they suffer from diabetes. Sahaja Yoga has cured many diabetes patients, hundred per cent by giving balance. This center is surrounded by this Void, so far in our awareness we are up to this point, but this gap is to be covered. This gap is manifested by the principle of Primordial Master, the Guru, and we have ten of them who incarnated on this Earth, I’ll tell about it tomorrow. There are ten sub plexuses, ten petals, so He is the deity which is the embodiment of our evolution, seeking and who is our protector, sustainer, is Guruly, is the deity of Vishnu, the deity who is the sustainer, he is the one who gives us evolution, is the one who protects us like a father, that aspect of God which gives us evolution resides in our stomach. He is called as Laxmi Narayana. Narayan is the male form and Laxmi is his power. He gives us the sustenance, for example, carbon has got four valences because of food. The gold cannot get tarnished, we get our character by this, we get our humanity through this which is religion. We have ten religions within us, if we do not have that, we are not a human being, that described in the Ten Commandments. Those who do not observe them falls from human level, there are ten incarnations of these great prophets. They are born again and again to sustain us. This is the center of our heart. This one is called as the viddhaya chakra. It supplies on the left and the right the two centers which we call left and right heart centers. On the left it is connected with the heart. On the right it is connected with the lungs. In the center it is representing your sense of security. This center has got twelve petals. The ruler of this petal is the Mother of this Universe. She gives you the sense of security. It manifests outside the cardiac plexus. When you are till twelve years of age, on the sternum bone the antibodies are prepared, they are her warriors. Attack on the whole body to fight. When your sense of security is disturbed the sternal bends backwards. Now that is the center of Vishuddhi. It is governed by Shri Krishna. His power is Raddha. When a man lifts his head, he raises himself towards the Primordial Great Being. Then only the idea of God comes into him. Then only he thinks of the beyond. This is the evolutionary state of human being. By lifting the head he creates these two institutions called ego and superego by the over activity of these two. The center controls the pineal and the pituitary within our brain, is called as Agnya Chakra. This is the door into the area which is called the Kingdom of God. In the medical terminology it is called as the limbic area. This Agnya Chakra is ruled by our Lord Jesus Christ. This is when he says:”I am the path and I am the door”. This is the door he crossed when he was resurrected. The last center here is called as Brahmarandra which is actually surrounded by a center called as Sahasrara. It is made of one thousand petals. They are nerves, just like the wick of the candle, when they are enlightened they look like flames. That’s why in the Bible it is said “I will appear before you like tongues of flame.” I’ve told you about these centers, different centers, now this is the moon center and this is the sun center. When you cross beyond this limit, it starts going into the collective subconscious area. That’s why the people who cross it are called as lunatic. Because they are under the influence of the Luna. Now, those who cross this side, on the right hand side become egoistical. They are under the influence of the \|Sun. They develop liver troubles. They are bilious. And they get also diabetes. Even then if they don’t come to balance they get a heart attack. How this is how the balance is brought in. When ego and superego both of them meet, you get your Ines, and your connection with the All Pervading Power is severed. At that time when you start going too much to the left or to the right, you create a problem for yourself. One should keep to the center. It’s absolutely common sense. Imagine a car going on one wheel, one side wheel, we don’t drive like that. Anything that is tilt we try to bring it to the center. But in our own mental life and emotional life we do not balance ourselves. We become so very crazy. That’s the problem. But despite everything, today Sahaja Yoga has risen to such a state of maturity, that despite all these problems they are getting Realisation. And thousands are getting, because the blossom time has come. The God has to protect his creation and has to give meaning to it. So that he feels fulfilled about it. We should consider ourselves to be so fortunate to be born at this time which is promised long time that you’ll get your Self Realisation en masse. I’m so very happy to see the way it is working out. It is easy to mesmerize thousands of people, but it is also easy to make members in thousands by giving some money or some sort of an outside emblem. By pampering your ego, one can give you some dress or some sort of a thing to wear and give you a new name or to make you feel oh, you are great. Or making them jump or do some sort of conversions mesmerizing them, it’s quite easy. This is all artificial. To create artificial flowers is very easy. But if there is artificial that means there is some real also. It has to have some absolute behind it. The Reality takes time to blossom, but when it blossoms, it’s beautiful. It’s enchanting and fascinating. There are no words in any language to describe its manifestation. You reach a stage you stop understanding it through words, as if the cup with which you are drinking breaks into that ocean and you get completely dissolved into it. Kabira has said that “then you are drunk and completely dissolved into that what are you going to say?” This clears out all about these saints…It explains everything about the saints and the prophets and the incarnations, all the Scriptures are explained and you become the master of their understanding. Thank you very much, may God bless you.	null	null	null	1980-04-17 Public Program Day 2, Paris This is the first center called as Mooladhara center, is the subtle center which manifests outside, in the gross what we call as pelvic plexus. This has got four petals while in the same way the pelvic plexus also has got four sub plexuses. It looks after all our excretory functions. This is like a lotus in the mud of excretion. It looks after the sex activity, but this is innocence. Innocent do not understand sex. This is enthroned by Shri Ganesha who has the trunk of a… elephant. You can see it clearly within your center. May be in the beginning of time people misunderstood the trunk for the Kundalini. This is the support of all the Holy Scriptures, but it is below the Kundalini because it looks after the protocol of the Kundalini that is His Mother. This is you as a child and this is your mother Kundalini. You have (are) the only child she has, and she is born again and again with you waiting to give you Self-Realisation. So one should understand that sex plays no part in the spiritual evolution. This one is the second center which arises from the third called as Nabhi Chakra which means the navel center. This has got ten petals, and this manifests outside as Solar Plexus. And the Solar plexus also has got ten sub plexuses. This represents our seeking. Tomorrow I’ll tell you how we changed I mean we manifestate our seeking one after another. How hunger evolve into Divine seeking. And then I will talk about your material seeking. This center comes out of this center here. Is the center which gives us this creative power. It goes around like this and can also bend. It gives us power to think in the sense that it converts the fat in the stomach to be transformed into the brain, because when we think we use the cells of the brain, grey cells of the brain. Apart from this, this center which is called as Swadishthana center has to look after many visceras, many organs. This manifests Aortic plexus outside. This supplies liver, higher portion of liver, and pancreas, then spleen, then kidneys and also the intestine and the part of the ascending descending colon. So this is a very important chakra, but when we think too much of the future, then this chakra goes crazy, it has to do too much work, and it cannot keep pace, so the brain which is receiving all the attention, does all the thinking, but all other organs which I have told you, suffer, so mostly those people who think too much have a bad liver. They have a bad pancreas. That’s why they suffer from diabetes. Sahaja Yoga has cured many diabetes patients, hundred per cent by giving balance. This center is surrounded by this Void, so far in our awareness we are up to this point, but this gap is to be covered. This gap is manifested by the principle of Primordial Master, the Guru, and we have ten of them who incarnated on this Earth, I’ll tell about it tomorrow. There are ten sub plexuses, ten petals, so He is the deity which is the embodiment of our evolution, seeking and who is our protector, sustainer, is Guruly, is the deity of Vishnu, the deity who is the sustainer, he is the one who gives us evolution, is the one who protects us like a father, that aspect of God which gives us evolution resides in our stomach. He is called as Laxmi Narayana. Narayan is the male form and Laxmi is his power. He gives us the sustenance, for example, carbon has got four valences because of food. The gold cannot get tarnished, we get our character by this, we get our humanity through this which is religion. We have ten religions within us, if we do not have that, we are not a human being, that described in the Ten Commandments. Those who do not observe them falls from human level, there are ten incarnations of these great prophets. They are born again and again to sustain us. This is the center of our heart. This one is called as the viddhaya chakra. It supplies on the left and the right the two centers which we call left and right heart centers. On the left it is connected with the heart. On the right it is connected with the lungs. In the center it is representing your sense of security. This center has got twelve petals. The ruler of this petal is the Mother of this Universe. She gives you the sense of security. It manifests outside the cardiac plexus. When you are till twelve years of age, on the sternum bone the antibodies are prepared, they are her warriors. Attack on the whole body to fight. When your sense of security is disturbed the sternal bends backwards. Now that is the center of Vishuddhi. It is governed by Shri Krishna. His power is Raddha. When a man lifts his head, he raises himself towards the Primordial Great Being. Then only the idea of God comes into him. Then only he thinks of the beyond. This is the evolutionary state of human being. By lifting the head he creates these two institutions called ego and superego by the over activity of these two. The center controls the pineal and the pituitary within our brain, is called as Agnya Chakra. This is the door into the area which is called the Kingdom of God. In the medical terminology it is called as the limbic area. This Agnya Chakra is ruled by our Lord Jesus Christ. This is when he says:”I am the path and I am the door”. This is the door he crossed when he was resurrected. The last center here is called as Brahmarandra which is actually surrounded by a center called as Sahasrara. It is made of one thousand petals. They are nerves, just like the wick of the candle, when they are enlightened they look like flames. That’s why in the Bible it is said “I will appear before you like tongues of flame.” I’ve told you about these centers, different centers, now this is the moon center and this is the sun center. When you cross beyond this limit, it starts going into the collective subconscious area. That’s why the people who cross it are called as lunatic. Because they are under the influence of the Luna. Now, those who cross this side, on the right hand side become egoistical. They are under the influence of the \|Sun. They develop liver troubles. They are bilious. And they get also diabetes. Even then if they don’t come to balance they get a heart attack. How this is how the balance is brought in. When ego and superego both of them meet, you get your Ines, and your connection with the All Pervading Power is severed. At that time when you start going too much to the left or to the right, you create a problem for yourself. One should keep to the center. It’s absolutely common sense. Imagine a car going on one wheel, one side wheel, we don’t drive like that. Anything that is tilt we try to bring it to the center. But in our own mental life and emotional life we do not balance ourselves. We become so very crazy. That’s the problem. But despite everything, today Sahaja Yoga has risen to such a state of maturity, that despite all these problems they are getting Realisation. And thousands are getting, because the blossom time has come. The God has to protect his creation and has to give meaning to it. So that he feels fulfilled about it. We should consider ourselves to be so fortunate to be born at this time which is promised long time that you’ll get your Self Realisation en masse. I’m so very happy to see the way it is working out. It is easy to mesmerize thousands of people, but it is also easy to make members in thousands by giving some money or some sort of an outside emblem. By pampering your ego, one can give you some dress or some sort of a thing to wear and give you a new name or to make you feel oh, you are great. Or making them jump or do some sort of conversions mesmerizing them, it’s quite easy. This is all artificial. To create artificial flowers is very easy. But if there is artificial that means there is some real also. It has to have some absolute behind it. The Reality takes time to blossom, but when it blossoms, it’s beautiful. It’s enchanting and fascinating. There are no words in any language to describe its manifestation. You reach a stage you stop understanding it through words, as if the cup with which you are drinking breaks into that ocean and you get completely dissolved into it. Kabira has said that “then you are drunk and completely dissolved into that what are you going to say?” This clears out all about these saints…It explains everything about the saints and the prophets and the incarnations, all the Scriptures are explained and you become the master of their understanding. Thank you very much, may God bless you.
4/18/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8471	The power of the Divine	France	Paris	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	93	1980-04-18 Public Program 3 in Paris 1980 Yesterday I talked to you about Kundalini awakening, how it is awakened, and why it refuses to be awakened within us. Those who have come for the first time I would like to tell them that we have a force, a germinating force, a residual force within us in this triangular bone which is called as the Kundalini. This is the force which helps us which gives us our second birth called as Self Realization. You can see this Kundalini pulsating in this triangular bone, called a sacrum, very clearly in anyone of the programs of Sahaja Yoga. When there is obstruction in any person you can see it much more clearly. You can also see the rising of Kundalini in the spinal chord. When She arrives at the end here – the fontanelle bone area – you can also hear the throbbing. When it stops then you get your Realization, your baptism. Then your awareness gets a new dimension into all-pervading Power of divine love - then your attention or your awareness - it gets into new dimension of divine Power which is all-pervading- the Kundalini connects you with the divine Power. Today the subject is : Divine Power and Innocence. There is a great deal of discussion already available for us in our scriptures about the All-Pervading Power of God. But is is not easy to believe that there is such a Power which can think, which can organize, which can coordinate and which can act - coodinates, organizes and acts, because it loves. Because of this ignorance human beings have denied even the existence of God Almighty. But the One who has created you, has also created the means to know Him. When this Power here, which is a part of the divine Power around, awakens and connects you with that divine Power, you can start, you can start feeling from your hands the radiation of the same Power. When this Power -[Shri Mataji repeats to help the translator]- connects you. That is the time when you start radiating your own Spirit. Now first of all at the very outset we have to know that all this knowledge is unknown to you and to see it you must have an open mind. As I have told you the very first day that if I tell you anything you should accept it as a hypothesis and if it confirms with the proof then you have to believe into it. Now let us see what is all-pervading Power is. All Pervading Power is the Power of divine love of God. We can say it is the aura of God. When Allmighty God is reflected in our heart it is called as Spirit or Atma but its aura is not in our conscious mind. Because of – our conscious mind is not enlightened enough to see the aura. When the Kundalini rises and touches the fontanelle bone or pierces the fontanelle bone the seat of the Spirit which is on top of your head gets enlightened. Then the Spirit gets illumined in our consciousness. In the same manner we can feel the radiation of the Spirit passing through our central nervous system - the radiation – Now these radiations are the radiations of the aura of the Spirit. So they are the Power of divine – divine Power which is all-pervading. The radiations are – that’s how – are of the divine Power which is all-pervading. Sometimes divine Power, also after Realisation starts flowing on us, on our sympathetic nervous system as grace --[Shri Mataji repeats to help the translator] the divine Power, all pervading divine Power also starts flowing on our head, on our sympathetic nervous system as grace. When this happens then you feel the joy and the bliss. Shri Mataji : [To the translator]. Why should she be disturbing? Sahaja Yogini : She has to, she has to .. [Inaudible] Shri Mataji : Funny people. They come here for Realization and have no sense. Please close the door. Shri Mataji : [Towards the audience]. Anybody has to go, please go now. It’s not proper to disturb, it’s a serious thing we are doing. If you are interested in your Self Realization, please be here. If you have no self-esteem, I do not want to force you. But this, nobody does in England! It’s a serious thing, it’s a solemn thing. We must understand that we must have self-esteem. We must respect ourselves. This all-pervading Power is anxious all the time to guide us and help us through our unconscious. This Power when it starts flowing through your hands after Realisation, can tell you about the absolute value of everything, because your Spirit is the absolute. The rest of it is all relative. For example if I want to know if this thing is radiating absolute or not, I just have to just place my hands towards it. If it is emitting absolute, is correct, is vibrating with spiritual values or if vibrating with divine Power, it will emit vibrations towards Me. For example if somebody is a Realised soul or not, you cannot make it. A thug or anybody who is a thief you might think him to be alright but he may be a horrible fellow. To make him out if you just put your hands towards the person and immediately you will know whether he is a Realised soul or not : by feeling the vibrations on your hands. If you want to know about any absolute question, whether there is God or not, you just put your hands like this and ask the question : “Is there God or not?” If you ask : “Is there God?” vibrations will start flowing towards you with a tremendous speed, answering your question just like any – any very well built – uh, what you call that ? Which gives answers to everything by itself ?– Euh? computer : a very well build computer which answers all your questions. In the same way any question which is absolute if you ask you get the answer. Sitting down here you can find out about any friend what is the matter with his centers as shown here. Yesterday I talked about it. If any problem you have - if you put it to the divine Power, She solves it. It is not a coincidence but it is a fact. You have to know how to put the question into the machinary of this all-pervading Power. If you know exact method how to do it you can solve any question. But after Realization your priorities change and your problems change. For example we had another person who knows French very well our Régis who was with Me was doing his PHD for years together and he was very much troubled about it. He had finished his money and he was fed up – his patience was over and he could not even make a book bound. He brought that to Me and he said : “Mother, I don't know what to do with this now.” I just put my hand on the book and put this problem into thoughtless awareness of mine. [interfering with the translation] Into thoughless awareness. Awareness. No word no word? Awareness, you know awareness? Uh, without thought, you see, where there is no thought. In that area opens the mouth of this machinary. And third day he became a doctor. I never read the book nor did I give any advice to him but he was alright. Like that so many problems – even material – can be worked out. But after Realization your priorities change so much that you want to ask for the highest. You don't waste your attention on trivial things nor do you ponder over something that is unimportant. The attention then goes in searching a complete method of Sahaja Yoga which is the spontaneous evolutionary method. Because you become collectively conscious and you become compassionate. You feel for other human beings. Because you have achieved your bliss and your meaning you want others to achieve that. Your main attention is on giving others Realization. For example till this light is not enlightened it can be used for anything else – the wax. But once it is enlightened then it just gives light. When you become the light you start emitting light to others. Now, this all-pervading divine Power is the total Power within us. For example on the right hand side we have got this Power which works on the right sympathetic nervous system in the chanel of Pingala which helps us to look after our body and think the future which gives us creativity. This power - this Pingala power - is made of five powers. These five powers come to us by five elements that have created us. The body of all the centers here is made of these five elements. The Power that is all-pervading controls all these five elements. All these five powers plus the power which gives us emotional life on the left hand – the desiring power – which gives us memory and our past, plus the power in the center which evolves us from amoeba to this stage, all synthethize properly integrated into that divine Power. But divine Power has a power to control all these powers. After Realization if you move in a proper way you can control all these powers you become the master of them. Say, after Realization you can also enter into the subtleties of all the elements. For example, now, this is a lamp kept here; Now this has got a fire in it. This is from the light el... – from the fire element you can say. This can be awakened by putting hands towards it if you are a Realized soul. By awakening it you can make it burn the negative forces around. We have cured many mad people with a single candle. You can cure yourself if you have any problem with your stomach by going into the sea and putting your hands towards the outside. After Realization if you soak your feet even in ordinary water with little salt in it and put your hand outside and ask the water to suck your negativity it will. Now, in this hall there are more Realized souls than unrealized. Those who have experimented with this and they also know that we have cured cancer with this method and so many diseases which are called as incurable. But for that it is important that you must get connected with the all-pervading Power. The first thing is you must get your Self-Realization but in Ego-oriented societies people think their Ego is their Self and they have their arrogance about it. But Ego is just like a bubble you can see there like a big - uh, what you call it again? - balloon, you can see there that yellow stuff. When you do to much activity then this balloon goes on bloating up too much, so much so that it can cover the whole head. Until a person gets a heart attack he does not realize that there is something wrong with that person. This is the work of all-pervading Power to give you balance. Now, imagine how it gives you the balance. You work with your right side – means your brain. You think too much, you plan too much and you do all the time thinking for the future. Means you use your brain but when you use your brain too much your heart goes out. But if you are very emotional – melodramatic and hysteric – then your brain goes out. One doctor we have in London who is a Sahaja Yogi. When I told him this he was surprised because he said that : “We have some...” He is also a psychiatrist “ We have some cardiograph machines in our hospital and it is never used because no mad man gets a heart attack. Because you have a limited energy within you. The Ego and Superego when they meet each other they give you the “I”ness then you get separated from the all-divine Power because at this stage the evolution has to be done through your own understanding and your asking. That is how you are given freedom because freedom that one has to seek. And if you have to be given absolute freedom you must know how to use freedom. That's why your freedom is respected. You see, for example this lady who was sitting here if I had mesmerized her she would have been stuck there. That's what the fake gurus do : you have no freedom left but to succumb to their mesmerism. Till you end up into something catastrophic you do not find out that you were mesmerized. This all-pervading Power is called as Brahma. Brahma is the truth. The rest is all illusion. We live with our illusions and myths because of our ignorance. If you come in this room in darkness you will not be able to see anything in fulness. You may think the chair is the room or may think this mirror is the room. But if somebody can enlighten this room you can see the whole room and you can relate yourself to that room. You can also find out what is wrong with you and also what is wrong with others. This is enlightenment – but enlightenment of the innocence. Innocence is the bud which gives the fragrance within us. That time we emit - the fragrance we emit is the all-pervading Power. Innocence is the very – very base of our being. It is placed in this lower center here and this center is looked after or is governed by a deity who is the embodiment of innocence. This deity is called as Shri Ganesh and He incarnates at that top center there as Lord Jesus Christ. Christ is the support of this universe because He is the embodiment of innocence. But what have we done of Christ? When He live we crucified Him and everyday we are crucifying Him when we are fighting our innocence. It is very hard to say these things in modern times when people think that indulging in all kind of sex perversions is liberation. But to any – but it is very easy for us to see if you use your intelligence that it is no liberation but it is slavery of sex. A person who comes under every car cannot be called the driver of the car. In the same way a man who falls for every woman on the street cannot be called the master of himself. He is a slave of his lust. But it does not also mean that you should not have sex. That is absolutely another extreme. Sex is to be with a very sacred idea in a married life because marriage is a collective blessing. But people do not understand how to respect their marriage relationship. In Sahaja Yoga we do not allow any sannyasi or any ascetic to come in and we do not also have funny ideas like people have that the sannyasis can have sex life. Or such perversion that you take sannyas and you can go to God through sex. Sannyas means complete abstinence. Any such funny ideas like marrying Krishna or Christ is absurd. If you want to marry, marry human beings. What's the use of marrying Christ who is an embodiment of childhood? He doesn't know sex. Why do such insulting things to him. This is like bringing your lew into the drawing room. We are very particular about designing our house but we are not particular about designing our life. We make a complete mess of it and we say : “What's wrong?”. We say : “What's wrong?”. If there is no wrong in doing absurd sex then why there is people feel jealous? If it is a good thing people should feel happy about it. The society must prosper with it. But the society is going down. Nobody seems to be trusting anyone. Is it this kind of life or society is in any way enriching the children? Moreover this kind of life leads you to horrible diseases : the nature is against it. I was surprised that in U.S.A. sixty-five per cent young people suffer from horrible diseases due to sex perversions and sex habits. And in England where I thouhgt wise people lived there are two children killed every week by the mothers themselves. What's wrong then in any such a society which is so decadent? There is some guru in India who cannot smell flowers but he does not mind, say, smelling the private parts of women and men and he is very attractive to western people – specially French. Is it our culture? Is it proper for us to do such things? Will our children have any respect for us? Why should the children respect here the parents who have no self-esteem? You see, when you talk about liberation you are just fighting you own innocence but you cannot get your liberation. It is “so-called”. As soon as you will try to do these things you will be the unhappiest person ever living. You will be diseased, you will be impotent and joy will be lost. You will become a miserable person with the cheeks torn inside and there is no freshness on your face. The – Les Misérables! Even Christ they have made Him look like that, like a lanky-panky person. So miserable! They had no sense at all to understand that : “How could a person who is so full of joy and happiness and innocence could be that miserable?” I think there is some sort of a sadism in it – egoistical approach to Him that you make such a great personnality into a [wretched?] uh, some TB patient. Can such a lanky-panky fellow carry a big cross like that? One should not try to avoid the reality but face it with bravery because it is so beautiful. It is so grand. It is so majestic. So, why not achieve that and rise in your complete humanhood? [to translator] Rise in your – bloom... That's the way you are going to achieve it. [tape blank?...] You were given freedom to test your intelligence, to know through your intelligence that rationality is limited, to know through your entreprises that matter is enslaving you, that matter is there just to reproduce the beauty within yourself. But you lost all your wisdom in your extreme behaviour. At the time of Christ people were not that intelligent. They were naive but they were not seekers as your are. You are seekers of ages, do you know that? But you are satisfied with your Ego. You were not seeking your Ego because Ego you can find it everywhere in every shop. You go and buy a cigar and smoke it and you are in Ego. You drive in a big Rolls Royce : you are in a Ego. You just cross all the laws : you are in your Ego. Defy everyone : you are in your Ego. It is very easy to achieve your full bloom of your Ego covering the whole head and then you float very nicely in some imaginary world of yours which is called as “Fool's Paradise” till by some trick of this all-pervading Power the balloon is pricked and you come down [?] on the ground. So, achievement of Ego has been of no use but achieving of all-pervading Power within you is the real expression of the Ego of God because His Ego is the truth while yours is a myth. Because He does everything you don't do anything whatsoever. And a little thing like making a chair you feel very great about it is all nonsense. You are made to be the instrument of that divine Power just like this instrument is made to carry our voices. You are specially made with great care, love and respect to carry that divine Power which is all-pervading, which is very subtle. This is the Power that pulsates in every atom. [to translator] Pulsates, throbs, pulsates in every atom. The same power pulsates in our heart. But with Ego we actually cover our heart completely and Ego makes a person an idiot. There are such idiots who think themselves to be very clever that you do not know how to stop your laughing when they talk. Like an eighty year old man believes that an eighteen year old girl loves him. And you ask this idiot what is he doing. He says : “I've written already thirty books on one subject : on love and romance.” He is an idiot and a stupid fool : what is he going to teach anyone? The girl makes fool of him and she has her own boyfriends and the old man is supplying the money for her fun. And the idiot think he is very generous. There is no end to idiocity. A man who is not wise, he cannot be called intelligent. Intelligence unless and until it is wisdom has no value. Without wisdom the ungirdled- ungirdled intelligence can befool you. The all-pervading Power plays tricks and makes idiots of these people. They are respected for a short time then they die out as fools. So, our intelligence must tell us that truth can be only found through going into the unlimited area of all-pervading Power. And this rationality is a limited thing and we have to be triggered into that area which is unlimited. Some happening has to take place within us and all those great sages and prophets who have talked about your rebirth must mean something happening. These things were said by many sages before also but they said it from the tenth storey. The rest of them were on the ground floor. They couldn't see what they were seeing at the tenth storey so they tried to torture or kill them. But this Sahaja Yoga, this modern Sahaja Yoga you can say, the Sahaja Yoga now is at a stage where it gives you Realization, to masses. So that you start seeing beyond that you start knowing that there is something beyond and feeling that you have become different. It its the actualisation of the experience which is important and you should ask for that. But it is not meant for mediocres. If you are a real true seeker you will get it and you will retain it. If you are a true seeker I will give every drop of My blood for it. Because I am born for that. But the seeking has to be sincere and true. You cannot purchase Me with any money or with any show. Only through your sincerity of seeking you can buy Me permanently into yourself. This has to happen today or tomorrow to thousands of people. This is the beakthrough which we were expecting all these years and this is what is before you today. As soon as you get your Self Realization the manifestation of the powers of Self - of your Self - starts acting but you have to know how it works and do it seriously. But most of the people they come to Me as if they are going for guru shopping. This is absolutely a different stuff. Here you have to receive your Self Realization you have to become Self Realized and you have to establish yourself. [to translator] To establish and to become fully the Self Realized, to manifest it. There is no other consideration. Supposing you are rich or poor, I don't want to know. Whether educated or uneducated is not necessary. Belonging to the labour class or to rich class it makes no difference. Whether you are from black race or a white or a brown or a blue race makes no difference. As long as you are a human being who is seeking God you will get your Realization. That is My job. I will work hard because I am determined about it. But you also must have determination. Once you have achieved it you will be amazed how beautiful you are. You will start seeing the beauty that I see in you. The other day we had somebody who was arguing with Me. He said : “Everybody is God”. I said : “Who has told you that?” He said : “I believe in it.” I said : “Who is this “I” ?” This is all mental. It is nice to believe that everybody is God and I am the God's Lord. There is God in everything but God is to be discovered. There is God in a chicken but I am not going to give Realization to chickens. It is too far-fetched but that is how people escape the reality. Like the gentleman was saying that : “Hitler is also God.” You cannot insult God like that. If there is somebody satanic then he is God is dicovered by punishing him. It would be like honouring people who crucified Christ. There is no discrimination, there is no sense of understanding. There should be some sense of propriety when you talk. The sympathy should be with the people who need your compassion but not with the people who are [probable mistake : agressed]. If you do all that then you will be punished and those who are cruel will be punished too. This is what the divine Power does to us. In India the Rakshasas or the devils who were born on this earth used to beg for one thing that they should be killed by an incarnation so that their sins will be forgiven by one punishment - sort of compensated by that punishment. They would go to the extreme of sinful behaviour just to get to that point where incarnation would kill them. But a saint, a seeker is a sensible person. He achieves all that he wants through the grace of God because God wants him to have all the powers which are divine. Because God is your father and He wants to bestow all His powers onto you but these powers cannot be given by any elected body like a church or a theological college priest cannot give you baptism. This authority has to come through a person which is born with this love. Such a person is a king. Nothing can tempt such a person. Nothing is higher or lower for this person. Such a person can sleep on the street or in the palaces. Such a person has no fear of any kind. When Christ supported Mary Magdalena He was not afraid of the crowds because He was sinless but He had compassion for her. We should not confuse matters. Only after Realization when you get your vibrations you will know that you cannot confuse. As soon as you try to confuse you will lose your vibrations. And with this new vibratory awareness you will know what is the absolute and what is not and then only you will know how powerful you are. Your whole life will be filled with joy and first time you will enjoy another personnality. We had taken some people to India from England. Simple indian villagers so overjoyed to see the foreigners coming in. They hugged all of them and kissed them, fed them and then they started feeling the vibrations of the foreigners and they were enjoying themselves as if they were sitting in a big lotus flower. For the first time you would find any Indian enjoying the foreigners. Otherwise they are frightened of them. They are literally afraid of seeing a foreigner, specially the women of India. But the women cooked for them, prepared their bath, arranged for them to have their food then prepared their beds, put oil in their heads and made them sleep. Such love that flows is the greatest thing a mother can enjoy. There is no rationality for this. It is sheer joy and bliss. So we have to rise and become one with that all-pervading Power which resides in every heart of human beings. You feel it flowing from you and when you feel it you know what is happening to you. This is spontaneous. You cannot “do” it. It is within you. Built in. Built in. Built in. Innate and it works out. It works out.We have among us here some people who were in the lunatic asylum and they are completely cured. You cannot make them out. We had great alcoholics and drugists with us. They just gave up everything because they have become masters of themsleves and they enjoy themselves. You never get bored with yourself then. Whether you are alone or in their company it's all joy. This is going to change the whole universe. It is going to transform this world into the new world that is been talked about. This is the first time I have come to Paris. The response has been nice. There have been people coming and getting Realization. Some are repeaters. Some are repeating, coming everyday. Some came only one day and went away. But as you know after germination of seed it must be looked after. Otherwise it could be wasted. So they should have at least attended these four days. But in any case we have here Marie. She is one of the first disciples I had in London and she has dedicated her life to this work. Now I would request you all to help her to spread Sahaja Yoga. Those who get Realization will be deepening their being and will be helping other on the periphery. So many are seeking. So many are decieved. So many are misguided. It is now our great duty to salvage all of them. This is very important. Don't be misguided by your Ego. You must think of people how they are lost. You must learn how to swimm and save others. It's all free, full of love, so take advantage of it. A river starts like a small stream. In other countries like India and England we have many Sahaj Yogis. We have to see now what French have to offer. May God bless you all. We will have the experience now. We will work it out. Ah! If you have any questions you can ask today because yesterday I has said that if you have any questions for about five-ten minutes not more. And do not be argumentative. Please come here. These new people can come down. The gentleman who is there. Any question? Let this one sit there also. This one there. Any questions, please? [Seeker] J'ai une question, oui. Est-ce que vous n'avez pas peur (...) quelque chose à découvrir l'occidental en fasse un avoir (…) spirituel au lieu de rechercher son être... [Shri Mataji] What did he say? [Translator] Don't you think that if you show the Western persons that there is something to be discovered, that he should appropriate it for himself instead of becoming it? [Shri Mataji] Yes, you should. You should definitely. But what is your instrument? [Translator : You should?] Discover but what is your instrument? [Seeker] Il y a plusieurs instrument, mais l'important c'est que ce ne soit pas justement l'Ego. [Translator] He says there are several instruments but the important is that it should not be Ego. [Shri Mataji] Shouldn't be Ego? Alright, then, uh, first of all you should know that you have nothing to offer Me. Alright? The second thing is that you have to ascertain it. Why? Are you afraid of Me? You are? He is not. Then it is very simple : you enter into that area and see for yourself. I'm saying you have to experiment. But with these eyes you cannot feel, with these hands you cannot feel that all-pervading Power. You have to get enlightened. This is a gap that you have to cross. [Seeker] Là je suis d'accord avec ce champ de conscience. Il faut rentrer dedans pour en avoir l'expérience. Tout ça, je suis d'accord. Mais, la seule chose, c'est que j'ai peur que l'occidental reçoive votre enseignement comme un matérialisme spirituel et non pas comme un être spirituel. [Shri Mataji] What did he say? [Translator] But he is afraid that in the West it should be used – the becoming that you have to give – should be used materially and not for becoming inside. [Shri Mataji laughs] Ah! Have you got... haven't you got sufficient material thing just to bother your heads? Already people are comitting suicide in Sweden, even in Switzerland. You want to go to that limit? [Seeker] Non, mais il y a aussi autour de nous une énorme vague de matérialisme spirituel qui après me donne un retour de matérialisme et qui crée aussi une vague de suicides et de chute. [Shri Mataji] What? [Translator] He says that there is among us agreat wave of spirituel materialism which creates a come back of materialism and also suicides – which make it come back a sort of return of suicides and materialism. [Shri Mataji] He means to say... Yeah, He means to say there is a very big grip of matter, isn't it? He means to say that. [Seeker : Aussi : That too.] Very correct. So you have to become a master of that. That's what I am doing. [Seeker] Oui, oui, d'accord, ce n'est pas de votre enseignement dont je parle. [Translator] He says he's not speaking about your teaching. [Seeker] C'est de la façon dont c'est vu et reçu. [Translator] He says : but the way with which it's read and received. [Shri Mataji] Oh! People? People. No, there are many beautiful people also. [Seeker] Bien sûr, mais il peut y avoir des chutes aussi. [Translator] He says : yes of course but people can fall as well. [Shri Mataji] They will... First few of you have to come up then the rest will see how happy you are, even materially enriched because it is : “Yoga kshema vahamyaham” [Bhagavad Geeta, 9.22] After Yoga you get your Kshema also – well being comes in to you. When people will see that they will also be transformed because satisfaction comes in. Tell him that. [Seeker] Justement. Dès le moment où on dit : “Vous aurez la connaissance. Vous aurez par un meilleur équilibre plus de biens matériels.” c'est faire du matérialisme spirituel car au contraire on doit être la Réalisation, on doit être soi. Peu importe qu'on soit pauvre ou riche... Peu importe la situation dans laquelle on se trouve. L'important c'est d'être. [Shri Mataji] What is he telling? [Translator] He says : yes but again this material well being is misguiding, because the important thing is to be that and not in a material style. [Shri Mataji] You can overpower it by flowing all-pervading Power through your being. That is the only way you can do it. When the Kundalini awakens, you see. When the Kundalini which is here awakens your attention is attracted inside – is taken from outside attracted inside and when it goes through that center – this center here [obviously Nabhi], it gives you a sense of great satisfaction within which overcomes your material greed. [to translator : when awakening takes place the attention is attracted] May God bless you. Not only that but the blessing of this center works out also your material needs in the sense that we have tried experimenting with the vibrations, say, on the wheat that grows in India and when we tried that we found it was five times more growing and sweeter and tastier that normal. In the university, the agricultural university. There are so many ways by which your are blessed by the grace of the divine Power. Very good question this one. I was very happy with your question. Is there any other question? He is concerned, you know. He is concerned. That's the point is. What will happen to people? They are so much attracted by materialism. It's very good. Will you please put your hands like this towards Me. Be comfortable, first of all be very comfortable. Now come along. Marie can come in here. Marie! Little, little, she has to tell her. Please ask them to put their hands straight like that towards Me. And close your eyes, please. Just like this, straight like this because these are the antenae I told you of receiving the Power. Just like this. Straight like this. On your lap like this.[.... short directions during meditation]	null	null	null	1980-04-18 Public Program 3 in Paris 1980 Yesterday I talked to you about Kundalini awakening, how it is awakened, and why it refuses to be awakened within us. Those who have come for the first time I would like to tell them that we have a force, a germinating force, a residual force within us in this triangular bone which is called as the Kundalini. This is the force which helps us which gives us our second birth called as Self Realization. You can see this Kundalini pulsating in this triangular bone, called a sacrum, very clearly in anyone of the programs of Sahaja Yoga. When there is obstruction in any person you can see it much more clearly. You can also see the rising of Kundalini in the spinal chord. When She arrives at the end here – the fontanelle bone area – you can also hear the throbbing. When it stops then you get your Realization, your baptism. Then your awareness gets a new dimension into all-pervading Power of divine love - then your attention or your awareness - it gets into new dimension of divine Power which is all-pervading- the Kundalini connects you with the divine Power. Today the subject is : Divine Power and Innocence. There is a great deal of discussion already available for us in our scriptures about the All-Pervading Power of God. But is is not easy to believe that there is such a Power which can think, which can organize, which can coordinate and which can act - coodinates, organizes and acts, because it loves. Because of this ignorance human beings have denied even the existence of God Almighty. But the One who has created you, has also created the means to know Him. When this Power here, which is a part of the divine Power around, awakens and connects you with that divine Power, you can start, you can start feeling from your hands the radiation of the same Power. When this Power -[Shri Mataji repeats to help the translator]- connects you. That is the time when you start radiating your own Spirit. Now first of all at the very outset we have to know that all this knowledge is unknown to you and to see it you must have an open mind. As I have told you the very first day that if I tell you anything you should accept it as a hypothesis and if it confirms with the proof then you have to believe into it. Now let us see what is all-pervading Power is. All Pervading Power is the Power of divine love of God. We can say it is the aura of God. When Allmighty God is reflected in our heart it is called as Spirit or Atma but its aura is not in our conscious mind. Because of – our conscious mind is not enlightened enough to see the aura. When the Kundalini rises and touches the fontanelle bone or pierces the fontanelle bone the seat of the Spirit which is on top of your head gets enlightened. Then the Spirit gets illumined in our consciousness. In the same manner we can feel the radiation of the Spirit passing through our central nervous system - the radiation – Now these radiations are the radiations of the aura of the Spirit. So they are the Power of divine – divine Power which is all-pervading. The radiations are – that’s how – are of the divine Power which is all-pervading. Sometimes divine Power, also after Realisation starts flowing on us, on our sympathetic nervous system as grace --[Shri Mataji repeats to help the translator] the divine Power, all pervading divine Power also starts flowing on our head, on our sympathetic nervous system as grace. When this happens then you feel the joy and the bliss. Shri Mataji : [To the translator]. Why should she be disturbing? Sahaja Yogini : She has to, she has to .. [Inaudible] Shri Mataji : Funny people. They come here for Realization and have no sense. Please close the door. Shri Mataji : [Towards the audience]. Anybody has to go, please go now. It’s not proper to disturb, it’s a serious thing we are doing. If you are interested in your Self Realization, please be here. If you have no self-esteem, I do not want to force you. But this, nobody does in England! It’s a serious thing, it’s a solemn thing. We must understand that we must have self-esteem. We must respect ourselves. This all-pervading Power is anxious all the time to guide us and help us through our unconscious. This Power when it starts flowing through your hands after Realisation, can tell you about the absolute value of everything, because your Spirit is the absolute. The rest of it is all relative. For example if I want to know if this thing is radiating absolute or not, I just have to just place my hands towards it. If it is emitting absolute, is correct, is vibrating with spiritual values or if vibrating with divine Power, it will emit vibrations towards Me. For example if somebody is a Realised soul or not, you cannot make it. A thug or anybody who is a thief you might think him to be alright but he may be a horrible fellow. To make him out if you just put your hands towards the person and immediately you will know whether he is a Realised soul or not : by feeling the vibrations on your hands. If you want to know about any absolute question, whether there is God or not, you just put your hands like this and ask the question : “Is there God or not?” If you ask : “Is there God?” vibrations will start flowing towards you with a tremendous speed, answering your question just like any – any very well built – uh, what you call that ? Which gives answers to everything by itself ?– Euh? computer : a very well build computer which answers all your questions. In the same way any question which is absolute if you ask you get the answer. Sitting down here you can find out about any friend what is the matter with his centers as shown here. Yesterday I talked about it. If any problem you have - if you put it to the divine Power, She solves it. It is not a coincidence but it is a fact. You have to know how to put the question into the machinary of this all-pervading Power. If you know exact method how to do it you can solve any question. But after Realization your priorities change and your problems change. For example we had another person who knows French very well our Régis who was with Me was doing his PHD for years together and he was very much troubled about it. He had finished his money and he was fed up – his patience was over and he could not even make a book bound. He brought that to Me and he said : “Mother, I don't know what to do with this now.” I just put my hand on the book and put this problem into thoughtless awareness of mine. [interfering with the translation] Into thoughless awareness. Awareness. No word no word? Awareness, you know awareness? Uh, without thought, you see, where there is no thought. In that area opens the mouth of this machinary. And third day he became a doctor. I never read the book nor did I give any advice to him but he was alright. Like that so many problems – even material – can be worked out. But after Realization your priorities change so much that you want to ask for the highest. You don't waste your attention on trivial things nor do you ponder over something that is unimportant. The attention then goes in searching a complete method of Sahaja Yoga which is the spontaneous evolutionary method. Because you become collectively conscious and you become compassionate. You feel for other human beings. Because you have achieved your bliss and your meaning you want others to achieve that. Your main attention is on giving others Realization. For example till this light is not enlightened it can be used for anything else – the wax. But once it is enlightened then it just gives light. When you become the light you start emitting light to others. Now, this all-pervading divine Power is the total Power within us. For example on the right hand side we have got this Power which works on the right sympathetic nervous system in the chanel of Pingala which helps us to look after our body and think the future which gives us creativity. This power - this Pingala power - is made of five powers. These five powers come to us by five elements that have created us. The body of all the centers here is made of these five elements. The Power that is all-pervading controls all these five elements. All these five powers plus the power which gives us emotional life on the left hand – the desiring power – which gives us memory and our past, plus the power in the center which evolves us from amoeba to this stage, all synthethize properly integrated into that divine Power. But divine Power has a power to control all these powers. After Realization if you move in a proper way you can control all these powers you become the master of them. Say, after Realization you can also enter into the subtleties of all the elements. For example, now, this is a lamp kept here; Now this has got a fire in it. This is from the light el... – from the fire element you can say. This can be awakened by putting hands towards it if you are a Realized soul. By awakening it you can make it burn the negative forces around. We have cured many mad people with a single candle. You can cure yourself if you have any problem with your stomach by going into the sea and putting your hands towards the outside. After Realization if you soak your feet even in ordinary water with little salt in it and put your hand outside and ask the water to suck your negativity it will. Now, in this hall there are more Realized souls than unrealized. Those who have experimented with this and they also know that we have cured cancer with this method and so many diseases which are called as incurable. But for that it is important that you must get connected with the all-pervading Power. The first thing is you must get your Self-Realization but in Ego-oriented societies people think their Ego is their Self and they have their arrogance about it. But Ego is just like a bubble you can see there like a big - uh, what you call it again? - balloon, you can see there that yellow stuff. When you do to much activity then this balloon goes on bloating up too much, so much so that it can cover the whole head. Until a person gets a heart attack he does not realize that there is something wrong with that person. This is the work of all-pervading Power to give you balance. Now, imagine how it gives you the balance. You work with your right side – means your brain. You think too much, you plan too much and you do all the time thinking for the future. Means you use your brain but when you use your brain too much your heart goes out. But if you are very emotional – melodramatic and hysteric – then your brain goes out. One doctor we have in London who is a Sahaja Yogi. When I told him this he was surprised because he said that : “We have some...” He is also a psychiatrist “ We have some cardiograph machines in our hospital and it is never used because no mad man gets a heart attack. Because you have a limited energy within you. The Ego and Superego when they meet each other they give you the “I”ness then you get separated from the all-divine Power because at this stage the evolution has to be done through your own understanding and your asking. That is how you are given freedom because freedom that one has to seek. And if you have to be given absolute freedom you must know how to use freedom. That's why your freedom is respected. You see, for example this lady who was sitting here if I had mesmerized her she would have been stuck there. That's what the fake gurus do : you have no freedom left but to succumb to their mesmerism. Till you end up into something catastrophic you do not find out that you were mesmerized. This all-pervading Power is called as Brahma. Brahma is the truth. The rest is all illusion. We live with our illusions and myths because of our ignorance. If you come in this room in darkness you will not be able to see anything in fulness. You may think the chair is the room or may think this mirror is the room. But if somebody can enlighten this room you can see the whole room and you can relate yourself to that room. You can also find out what is wrong with you and also what is wrong with others. This is enlightenment – but enlightenment of the innocence. Innocence is the bud which gives the fragrance within us. That time we emit - the fragrance we emit is the all-pervading Power. Innocence is the very – very base of our being. It is placed in this lower center here and this center is looked after or is governed by a deity who is the embodiment of innocence. This deity is called as Shri Ganesh and He incarnates at that top center there as Lord Jesus Christ. Christ is the support of this universe because He is the embodiment of innocence. But what have we done of Christ? When He live we crucified Him and everyday we are crucifying Him when we are fighting our innocence. It is very hard to say these things in modern times when people think that indulging in all kind of sex perversions is liberation. But to any – but it is very easy for us to see if you use your intelligence that it is no liberation but it is slavery of sex. A person who comes under every car cannot be called the driver of the car. In the same way a man who falls for every woman on the street cannot be called the master of himself. He is a slave of his lust. But it does not also mean that you should not have sex. That is absolutely another extreme. Sex is to be with a very sacred idea in a married life because marriage is a collective blessing. But people do not understand how to respect their marriage relationship. In Sahaja Yoga we do not allow any sannyasi or any ascetic to come in and we do not also have funny ideas like people have that the sannyasis can have sex life. Or such perversion that you take sannyas and you can go to God through sex. Sannyas means complete abstinence. Any such funny ideas like marrying Krishna or Christ is absurd. If you want to marry, marry human beings. What's the use of marrying Christ who is an embodiment of childhood? He doesn't know sex. Why do such insulting things to him. This is like bringing your lew into the drawing room. We are very particular about designing our house but we are not particular about designing our life. We make a complete mess of it and we say : “What's wrong?”. We say : “What's wrong?”. If there is no wrong in doing absurd sex then why there is people feel jealous? If it is a good thing people should feel happy about it. The society must prosper with it. But the society is going down. Nobody seems to be trusting anyone. Is it this kind of life or society is in any way enriching the children? Moreover this kind of life leads you to horrible diseases : the nature is against it. I was surprised that in U.S.A. sixty-five per cent young people suffer from horrible diseases due to sex perversions and sex habits. And in England where I thouhgt wise people lived there are two children killed every week by the mothers themselves. What's wrong then in any such a society which is so decadent? There is some guru in India who cannot smell flowers but he does not mind, say, smelling the private parts of women and men and he is very attractive to western people – specially French. Is it our culture? Is it proper for us to do such things? Will our children have any respect for us? Why should the children respect here the parents who have no self-esteem? You see, when you talk about liberation you are just fighting you own innocence but you cannot get your liberation. It is “so-called”. As soon as you will try to do these things you will be the unhappiest person ever living. You will be diseased, you will be impotent and joy will be lost. You will become a miserable person with the cheeks torn inside and there is no freshness on your face. The – Les Misérables! Even Christ they have made Him look like that, like a lanky-panky person. So miserable! They had no sense at all to understand that : “How could a person who is so full of joy and happiness and innocence could be that miserable?” I think there is some sort of a sadism in it – egoistical approach to Him that you make such a great personnality into a [wretched?] uh, some TB patient. Can such a lanky-panky fellow carry a big cross like that? One should not try to avoid the reality but face it with bravery because it is so beautiful. It is so grand. It is so majestic. So, why not achieve that and rise in your complete humanhood? [to translator] Rise in your – bloom... That's the way you are going to achieve it. [tape blank?...] You were given freedom to test your intelligence, to know through your intelligence that rationality is limited, to know through your entreprises that matter is enslaving you, that matter is there just to reproduce the beauty within yourself. But you lost all your wisdom in your extreme behaviour. At the time of Christ people were not that intelligent. They were naive but they were not seekers as your are. You are seekers of ages, do you know that? But you are satisfied with your Ego. You were not seeking your Ego because Ego you can find it everywhere in every shop. You go and buy a cigar and smoke it and you are in Ego. You drive in a big Rolls Royce : you are in a Ego. You just cross all the laws : you are in your Ego. Defy everyone : you are in your Ego. It is very easy to achieve your full bloom of your Ego covering the whole head and then you float very nicely in some imaginary world of yours which is called as “Fool's Paradise” till by some trick of this all-pervading Power the balloon is pricked and you come down [?] on the ground. So, achievement of Ego has been of no use but achieving of all-pervading Power within you is the real expression of the Ego of God because His Ego is the truth while yours is a myth. Because He does everything you don't do anything whatsoever. And a little thing like making a chair you feel very great about it is all nonsense. You are made to be the instrument of that divine Power just like this instrument is made to carry our voices. You are specially made with great care, love and respect to carry that divine Power which is all-pervading, which is very subtle. This is the Power that pulsates in every atom. [to translator] Pulsates, throbs, pulsates in every atom. The same power pulsates in our heart. But with Ego we actually cover our heart completely and Ego makes a person an idiot. There are such idiots who think themselves to be very clever that you do not know how to stop your laughing when they talk. Like an eighty year old man believes that an eighteen year old girl loves him. And you ask this idiot what is he doing. He says : “I've written already thirty books on one subject : on love and romance.” He is an idiot and a stupid fool : what is he going to teach anyone? The girl makes fool of him and she has her own boyfriends and the old man is supplying the money for her fun. And the idiot think he is very generous. There is no end to idiocity. A man who is not wise, he cannot be called intelligent. Intelligence unless and until it is wisdom has no value. Without wisdom the ungirdled- ungirdled intelligence can befool you. The all-pervading Power plays tricks and makes idiots of these people. They are respected for a short time then they die out as fools. So, our intelligence must tell us that truth can be only found through going into the unlimited area of all-pervading Power. And this rationality is a limited thing and we have to be triggered into that area which is unlimited. Some happening has to take place within us and all those great sages and prophets who have talked about your rebirth must mean something happening. These things were said by many sages before also but they said it from the tenth storey. The rest of them were on the ground floor. They couldn't see what they were seeing at the tenth storey so they tried to torture or kill them. But this Sahaja Yoga, this modern Sahaja Yoga you can say, the Sahaja Yoga now is at a stage where it gives you Realization, to masses. So that you start seeing beyond that you start knowing that there is something beyond and feeling that you have become different. It its the actualisation of the experience which is important and you should ask for that. But it is not meant for mediocres. If you are a real true seeker you will get it and you will retain it. If you are a true seeker I will give every drop of My blood for it. Because I am born for that. But the seeking has to be sincere and true. You cannot purchase Me with any money or with any show. Only through your sincerity of seeking you can buy Me permanently into yourself. This has to happen today or tomorrow to thousands of people. This is the beakthrough which we were expecting all these years and this is what is before you today. As soon as you get your Self Realization the manifestation of the powers of Self - of your Self - starts acting but you have to know how it works and do it seriously. But most of the people they come to Me as if they are going for guru shopping. This is absolutely a different stuff. Here you have to receive your Self Realization you have to become Self Realized and you have to establish yourself. [to translator] To establish and to become fully the Self Realized, to manifest it. There is no other consideration. Supposing you are rich or poor, I don't want to know. Whether educated or uneducated is not necessary. Belonging to the labour class or to rich class it makes no difference. Whether you are from black race or a white or a brown or a blue race makes no difference. As long as you are a human being who is seeking God you will get your Realization. That is My job. I will work hard because I am determined about it. But you also must have determination. Once you have achieved it you will be amazed how beautiful you are. You will start seeing the beauty that I see in you. The other day we had somebody who was arguing with Me. He said : “Everybody is God”. I said : “Who has told you that?” He said : “I believe in it.” I said : “Who is this “I” ?” This is all mental. It is nice to believe that everybody is God and I am the God's Lord. There is God in everything but God is to be discovered. There is God in a chicken but I am not going to give Realization to chickens. It is too far-fetched but that is how people escape the reality. Like the gentleman was saying that : “Hitler is also God.” You cannot insult God like that. If there is somebody satanic then he is God is dicovered by punishing him. It would be like honouring people who crucified Christ. There is no discrimination, there is no sense of understanding. There should be some sense of propriety when you talk. The sympathy should be with the people who need your compassion but not with the people who are [probable mistake : agressed]. If you do all that then you will be punished and those who are cruel will be punished too. This is what the divine Power does to us. In India the Rakshasas or the devils who were born on this earth used to beg for one thing that they should be killed by an incarnation so that their sins will be forgiven by one punishment - sort of compensated by that punishment. They would go to the extreme of sinful behaviour just to get to that point where incarnation would kill them. But a saint, a seeker is a sensible person. He achieves all that he wants through the grace of God because God wants him to have all the powers which are divine. Because God is your father and He wants to bestow all His powers onto you but these powers cannot be given by any elected body like a church or a theological college priest cannot give you baptism. This authority has to come through a person which is born with this love. Such a person is a king. Nothing can tempt such a person. Nothing is higher or lower for this person. Such a person can sleep on the street or in the palaces. Such a person has no fear of any kind. When Christ supported Mary Magdalena He was not afraid of the crowds because He was sinless but He had compassion for her. We should not confuse matters. Only after Realization when you get your vibrations you will know that you cannot confuse. As soon as you try to confuse you will lose your vibrations. And with this new vibratory awareness you will know what is the absolute and what is not and then only you will know how powerful you are. Your whole life will be filled with joy and first time you will enjoy another personnality. We had taken some people to India from England. Simple indian villagers so overjoyed to see the foreigners coming in. They hugged all of them and kissed them, fed them and then they started feeling the vibrations of the foreigners and they were enjoying themselves as if they were sitting in a big lotus flower. For the first time you would find any Indian enjoying the foreigners. Otherwise they are frightened of them. They are literally afraid of seeing a foreigner, specially the women of India. But the women cooked for them, prepared their bath, arranged for them to have their food then prepared their beds, put oil in their heads and made them sleep. Such love that flows is the greatest thing a mother can enjoy. There is no rationality for this. It is sheer joy and bliss. So we have to rise and become one with that all-pervading Power which resides in every heart of human beings. You feel it flowing from you and when you feel it you know what is happening to you. This is spontaneous. You cannot “do” it. It is within you. Built in. Built in. Built in. Innate and it works out. It works out.We have among us here some people who were in the lunatic asylum and they are completely cured. You cannot make them out. We had great alcoholics and drugists with us. They just gave up everything because they have become masters of themsleves and they enjoy themselves. You never get bored with yourself then. Whether you are alone or in their company it's all joy. This is going to change the whole universe. It is going to transform this world into the new world that is been talked about. This is the first time I have come to Paris. The response has been nice. There have been people coming and getting Realization. Some are repeaters. Some are repeating, coming everyday. Some came only one day and went away. But as you know after germination of seed it must be looked after. Otherwise it could be wasted. So they should have at least attended these four days. But in any case we have here Marie. She is one of the first disciples I had in London and she has dedicated her life to this work. Now I would request you all to help her to spread Sahaja Yoga. Those who get Realization will be deepening their being and will be helping other on the periphery. So many are seeking. So many are decieved. So many are misguided. It is now our great duty to salvage all of them. This is very important. Don't be misguided by your Ego. You must think of people how they are lost. You must learn how to swimm and save others. It's all free, full of love, so take advantage of it. A river starts like a small stream. In other countries like India and England we have many Sahaj Yogis. We have to see now what French have to offer. May God bless you all. We will have the experience now. We will work it out. Ah! If you have any questions you can ask today because yesterday I has said that if you have any questions for about five-ten minutes not more. And do not be argumentative. Please come here. These new people can come down. The gentleman who is there. Any question? Let this one sit there also. This one there. Any questions, please? [Seeker] J'ai une question, oui. Est-ce que vous n'avez pas peur (...) quelque chose à découvrir l'occidental en fasse un avoir (…) spirituel au lieu de rechercher son être... [Shri Mataji] What did he say? [Translator] Don't you think that if you show the Western persons that there is something to be discovered, that he should appropriate it for himself instead of becoming it? [Shri Mataji] Yes, you should. You should definitely. But what is your instrument? [Translator : You should?] Discover but what is your instrument? [Seeker] Il y a plusieurs instrument, mais l'important c'est que ce ne soit pas justement l'Ego. [Translator] He says there are several instruments but the important is that it should not be Ego. [Shri Mataji] Shouldn't be Ego? Alright, then, uh, first of all you should know that you have nothing to offer Me. Alright? The second thing is that you have to ascertain it. Why? Are you afraid of Me? You are? He is not. Then it is very simple : you enter into that area and see for yourself. I'm saying you have to experiment. But with these eyes you cannot feel, with these hands you cannot feel that all-pervading Power. You have to get enlightened. This is a gap that you have to cross. [Seeker] Là je suis d'accord avec ce champ de conscience. Il faut rentrer dedans pour en avoir l'expérience. Tout ça, je suis d'accord. Mais, la seule chose, c'est que j'ai peur que l'occidental reçoive votre enseignement comme un matérialisme spirituel et non pas comme un être spirituel. [Shri Mataji] What did he say? [Translator] But he is afraid that in the West it should be used – the becoming that you have to give – should be used materially and not for becoming inside. [Shri Mataji laughs] Ah! Have you got... haven't you got sufficient material thing just to bother your heads? Already people are comitting suicide in Sweden, even in Switzerland. You want to go to that limit? [Seeker] Non, mais il y a aussi autour de nous une énorme vague de matérialisme spirituel qui après me donne un retour de matérialisme et qui crée aussi une vague de suicides et de chute. [Shri Mataji] What? [Translator] He says that there is among us agreat wave of spirituel materialism which creates a come back of materialism and also suicides – which make it come back a sort of return of suicides and materialism. [Shri Mataji] He means to say... Yeah, He means to say there is a very big grip of matter, isn't it? He means to say that. [Seeker : Aussi : That too.] Very correct. So you have to become a master of that. That's what I am doing. [Seeker] Oui, oui, d'accord, ce n'est pas de votre enseignement dont je parle. [Translator] He says he's not speaking about your teaching. [Seeker] C'est de la façon dont c'est vu et reçu. [Translator] He says : but the way with which it's read and received. [Shri Mataji] Oh! People? People. No, there are many beautiful people also. [Seeker] Bien sûr, mais il peut y avoir des chutes aussi. [Translator] He says : yes of course but people can fall as well. [Shri Mataji] They will... First few of you have to come up then the rest will see how happy you are, even materially enriched because it is : “Yoga kshema vahamyaham” [Bhagavad Geeta, 9.22] After Yoga you get your Kshema also – well being comes in to you. When people will see that they will also be transformed because satisfaction comes in. Tell him that. [Seeker] Justement. Dès le moment où on dit : “Vous aurez la connaissance. Vous aurez par un meilleur équilibre plus de biens matériels.” c'est faire du matérialisme spirituel car au contraire on doit être la Réalisation, on doit être soi. Peu importe qu'on soit pauvre ou riche... Peu importe la situation dans laquelle on se trouve. L'important c'est d'être. [Shri Mataji] What is he telling? [Translator] He says : yes but again this material well being is misguiding, because the important thing is to be that and not in a material style. [Shri Mataji] You can overpower it by flowing all-pervading Power through your being. That is the only way you can do it. When the Kundalini awakens, you see. When the Kundalini which is here awakens your attention is attracted inside – is taken from outside attracted inside and when it goes through that center – this center here [obviously Nabhi], it gives you a sense of great satisfaction within which overcomes your material greed. [to translator : when awakening takes place the attention is attracted] May God bless you. Not only that but the blessing of this center works out also your material needs in the sense that we have tried experimenting with the vibrations, say, on the wheat that grows in India and when we tried that we found it was five times more growing and sweeter and tastier that normal. In the university, the agricultural university. There are so many ways by which your are blessed by the grace of the divine Power. Very good question this one. I was very happy with your question. Is there any other question? He is concerned, you know. He is concerned. That's the point is. What will happen to people? They are so much attracted by materialism. It's very good. Will you please put your hands like this towards Me. Be comfortable, first of all be very comfortable. Now come along. Marie can come in here. Marie! Little, little, she has to tell her. Please ask them to put their hands straight like that towards Me. And close your eyes, please. Just like this, straight like this because these are the antenae I told you of receiving the Power. Just like this. Straight like this. On your lap like this.[.... short directions during meditation]
4/19/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8472	The Spiritual Evolution of Man	France	Paris	Reviewed	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	85	The Spiritual Evolution of Man, Paris, France 19-04-1980 [Today, the subject] is spiritual evolution of man. In my last three lectures, I’ve already explained about the residual force called as Kundalini that resides in the triangular bone here. This residual force gives us the second birth. But how did we become human beings? Though known to us, we do not know why we became human beings. All the scientists must ask this question, “Why did we become human beings? Is there any meaning to this human life? Or are we born just to eat our food, produce children, keep money for them, and then die?” If you make any instrument – for example, this instrument [mike] – you always have a purpose behind it. I’ve read a very good book by a gentleman, who was a French gentleman, whose name was Du Noüy – maybe I am not good at pronunciation – who wrote that, “It is impossible to produce a human being in this short time since the Earth seceded from the Sun.” That means, if you use the law of chance, you cannot explain this fast movement of development of a small carbon atom into a human being in such a short time. According to him, there must be a juggler behind it to do this. As I’ve told you before that this I put forward before you as a hypothesis and you must keep your mind open as any scientific personality does. If it comes true, then you have to believe into it. Yesterday I talked about the all-pervading power which is the Truth. Yesterday those who were here got their realization and they felt the power flowing from their hands, clearly. And they felt absolutely blissful. They also saw small children checking them, their vibrations. So, it is true that man has not yet discovered his meaning, so he has to become connected with the mains as any instrument has to. This is what is the spiritual evolution of man. When a human consciousness gets enlightened or there is a breakthrough into the unconscious then only, we can say that we have evolved fully or it is only then that you have achieved your full meaning. We can understand human evolution on the same way as we have the instruments set for spacecrafts. (6.27) In one spacecraft, an instrument is placed first, the lowest capsule, which explodes and accelerates the rate of the second capsule. One lower end capsule, and then there’s another one, and there’s another one and this one has the spacecraft in it. So, if this moves with the velocity of three, the explosion in this one (lower capsule) makes it three raises to the power, say, ten and this one makes it three raises to power, say, 20. It goes on like that. So, the acceleration is very fast. So ultimately this is thrown and triggered into the space. This all comes as a bundle, to begin with. In the same way, a human being is, first of all, exploded into his physical. Then the physical expresses into his mental being, then into his emotional being, then into his spiritual being. And then he should stop into his Spirit. That is the space of the all-pervading power. In us exist all the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual beings. Today, as the time is, man is so matured that he is more spiritual than physical. But the matter is so much attached to the Spirit, that it is very difficult for him to understand that the gap between the matter, the spiritual and the physical and other things is not so much binding. For example, all the affluent countries have a problem of suicide and the suicide is much more, the more you are affluent. I had some young girls from Sweden who came from Cambridge University, hardly about 20 years of age. And when I saw their vibrations, I was amazed; they were numb, just like a dead person’s vibrations. Otherwise, they were alright, they were children of rich people educating themselves. So, I asked them what do you think all the time? What do you plan? They told me, to my amazement, that they are planning how to commit suicide. I was so surprised and so hurt and unhappy and pained. With what care God has created them from amoeba to this stage and they are here to destroy themselves? I asked them what do you want? Do you want money? Do you want love? What do you want? And I called them to my house and made them sit down and I talked to them. I felt that they didn’t know what they wanted. But they said that we are very unhappy in life, as if there is some gap between us and ourselves. Perhaps we do not know what is our significance in this life. Then I told them that you can find your significance and why should you be that desperate? The God Almighty who has made you with this care, with this consistently working on you for ages, has made you a human being. He must have made some arrangement for you to find your own significance. And He has made all the arrangements, as we make for an instrument to have a cord to be attached to the mains. That is this Kundalini which is placed here. Thousands of years back in India, people had discovered the existence of Kundalini. Search in the West started, after Rousseau, into outside. But they could not enter inside. They thought it is better to search outside. Because they could not enter inside, they thought it was better to search outside. But as you were searching outside, there was a search inside going on, too. In that search they discovered this Kundalini being the source of our breakthrough. We have evolved through a force that exists within us on this center called as the Nabhi center or the Navel center. By giving us sustenance, by giving us our quality, our nature, or our natural religion that we were made into a human being. If you see in a chemical periodic law, you will be amazed how all these elements are arranged such a way, in a big beautiful chart, and how the carbon atom, when it came into existence, we started becoming alive. That carbon atom is placed within us here. Here is the innocence of the matter. Matter is innocent. Up to the animal stage we are absolutely innocent. Even human children are innocent, mostly. But we lose our innocence when we start using these two powers, one of desiring and another of action. We create the ego and superego by which we’ve become a human being. That’s how you become your Self. That means you become independent. You have all freedom to behave as you like. In that freedom only, you grasp the idea of the beyond. These ideas come to you through your dreams. Most of the paintings and the great arts are produced through the understanding of the unconscious. Our unconscious guides it all the time to warn us about our evolution. Jung has described it very clearly. He has experimented with thousands of people of different parts of the world. He says this unconscious gives the balance, the coordination, the future guidance through your dreams. That means our guidance has been there, we have a desire and we have an idea that there is something beyond. That means that we have a desire that we have to rise and that there is something beyond. And also, there is guidance coming from the unconscious. But there is another guidance which has come to us from God. This is very much believed into in India. Even in the Western world, if they follow Christianity or Judaism, they believe in it. It is believed that at that spot resides the power of God which evolves. This area according to Indian mythology is governed by a power called Lakshmi, which on one side gives us our sustenance and on the other side guides us how to behave. And from the same power, the male form of that power incarnates, again and again, to guide the people, in human form. This incarnation, in the beginning, was a fish when we were fishes; when we were tortoises, it was a tortoise; when we were reptiles, it was a tortoise; when we were quadrupeds, it was a boar. Then, later on, it became half man and half lion. Then it became a small man, a short man. Then it became the very strong man – Parasuraman. Then he came as Shri Rama. At his completion, he came as Shri Krishna. Now this center which has got the innocence, the incarnation of the innocence, the embodiment of innocence, was Shri Ganesh. This Shri Ganesh incarnated on this Earth as the only Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ. And He is going to reincarnate again with eleven powers to destroy. Apart from that, there is a third type of incarnation which works in this gap to sustain us. These are ten Primordial Masters, the Adi Gurus. These people incarnated on this Earth to give us our sustenance, our religion, as they call it. They gave us those ten religions, or sustenance, which is important for a human being. This principle of primordial masters incarnated as Abraham, as Moses, as Mohammad Sahab, as Janaka, as Nanaka, as Socrates and, till recently, the one who is no more now, is Shirdi Sainath. Now, these people are incarnations of one principle, that is the Primordial Master. The energy, or the power with which they work, is either a sister or a daughter, is a very pure relationship. If you read their teachings, you will find they are saying the same things because they were worried about our sustenance. But Christ talked about our evolution, our resurrection. Krishna, in his incarnation, he said that divine life cannot be destroyed. The life of Christ, or the body of Christ, was made of this divine power, absolute. In one of the very old scriptures, Devi Bhagawat from India, Christ is described as Mahavishnu. He is described as first being an egg; that’s why on an Easter we give eggs. But Christians can’t explain why they give eggs. They also cannot explain why he was called Christ and Jesus. When He talks of His father, it is Krishna He is talking about. It is said in the Devi Bhagawat, Krishna put His Son even above Him. And He gave Him such powers that He would be the support of the whole universe. As an Indian, if you have read about Indian mythology, you will have much more respect for Christ and His Mother, who was nothing else but the Primordial Mother. Because India was a slave for 300 years and English became the main language, nobody tried to translate anything about Indian things. Moreover, the Western people were more interested in sexology and all dirty things of India. It is like entering into a house from the gutters of the backdoor. Even now the way they are interested in all these dirty things is most amazing for Indians. We went to Nepal with my husband and children and we never noticed any erotic things. But I had a Swiss disciple in Nepal. When I went again to Nepal, he told me that it was full of erotics at the top of the temples. And all the Japanese and all such people were busy with zoom lenses watching all that with such minute details. I didn’t know what was there to watch. It is difficult to understand this mind which takes you to these nonsensical things. If you have to evaluate a person, you must know how far spiritually he has gone and not how much he has debased himself, not by that. How much he has mastered his lust and greed is to be seen and not how much he has enslaved himself of these things. If a person wants comfort and cannot live without comfort, he is not a spiritual man. He can live in comfort or discomfort; it makes no difference to him because he lives with his Spirit. Such a person is a king; nothing can dominate such a person; nobody can capture such a person or can make a parasite out of him. If one understands that spiritual life gives you the mastery of your being, then you would understand that those people who roam about as gurus are just parasites. (35:05) Now, these incarnations who came on this Earth were manifesting the different aspects of God. Because God is Compassion, He is Love, He is your Father and He is Almighty. He wants to bestow all His blessings upon you and He wants to enlighten your awareness. For that He sends His own emissaries to guide you, to rise above the shackles of matter, the mind, the emotions and spiritual mistakes. For that, God has already placed a power there. Many people have talked about this and have written big books of this kind. By reading books you cannot get the awakening of this Kundalini. It is a germinating force within us. It is a living force. You cannot germinate a seed by reading books. You have to have the Mother Earth to germinate. In the same way, to raise this Kundalini, you need a person who is the mother of this Kundalini, or who is the master of this art, who is compassion, who is Love, who is holy, who is righteous. But not a person who leads a funny life, a guru having seven women around, cannot be a master of Kundalini. A man who takes money from you cannot raise your Kundalini. A man who takes money from you has no self-respect. He cannot even talk of Kundalini. Such a person has to be higher than you. In that, he is humbler than you. He is full of love and patience and understanding; not of your purse, but of your beauty; not of your bank balance and your position, but your position within. If you find somebody coming with a circus, why should you be impressed by such a man? All important things, all vital things are extremely simple. For example, your own breathing. Supposing for your breathing if you have to read books and analyse it, will you breathe? For that, you don’t have to read any books. It is spontaneous. All your evolution has been spontaneous. You got your body, face, nose, eyes, this human being, all for nothing. What did you do to get that? It’s all given as a blessing to you because God wants his children to get all his blessings and all his powers. But in his freedom, man has become so egoistical that he is also denying God. It’s alright, it’s just the same as blind faith, just the same as denial of God. Even the people who believe in God, so-called, what have they achieved? That is the reason why people now are going to the other extreme of denying God. For example, Algeria, where the people have been under French regime and who believed in God and everything, but the young people became communists. Because the young people do not believe in the old people who are blindly following some sort of an organization of God. Because they are so mythical; they have no proof of God and they are so fanatic. Fanaticism is a disease. It has nothing to do with God. That’s one extreme and another extreme is denial of God. When you are in the center you can find God. A boy from Algeria came and he got his realization in London with me. He went and told the young people in Algeria that, “No, there is God, but we have to find him within ourselves.” He gave realization to five hundred young boys. With self-realization, your life is completely transformed. We have here about fifty-percent of people are realized souls. After realization, the power starts flowing from your hands. This is the power of your Spirit and you can use it and verify it. The diseases like cancer cannot be cured without self-realization. We have cured many cancer patients. I have even cured the President of India of lung cancer. You may write to him and find out. But it is very easy to approach a President in India if you’re a saint. They respect you as a saint. For example, the President of India would stand up for me, though I am an Indian citizen. And he would not sit down till I have sat down. But in the West, people do not stand even for their own father. The ego makes a person so naive about spirituality and anybody who comes to pamper your ego, you accept it. [Shri Mataji speaks to a seeker]: Are you taping my lecture? That’s not allowed? It’s alright? … The organization, they say it should not be taped, but it’s alright, because it has a little problem. There is a protocol about this. Only thing is for realized souls we allow, but not to non-realized souls because if you insult it, it will have an effect on you. Otherwise, there is no harm in recording me. There is no enterprise going on here, but there is a protocol. It’s alright, you can tape it because, for example, my photograph has vibrations. If you put my photograph somewhere else it is not alright, then you fall from the grace. It should not be done. You understand my point? Because it is a holy thing. You can tape it. The cancer and other such diseases can be cured through Self-realization as a by-product but it is not the main job of Sahaja Yoga. It is just a by-product. Like when God has to be realized within you, is to be established in your temple. Your temple has to be cleansed. If you do not get your realization, then there is no need to worry about it. You will get it, eventually and you must get it. This is your right to have it and you must assert your right. You cannot live without it. If you won’t take in this life, you will be born again and ask for the same. Why not short-circuit it? I said it is the easiest thing to do but very difficult for human beings to be easy. They can eat their food like this, but they want to eat the other way round. It is like a second birth of a bird. You become like an egg by that covering and when Kundalini pierces through, She breaks the shell here and you become a new person with a new awareness of collective consciousness. You become; you actualize. It is not just brainwashing. You just can feel it. But even if you are born as a human being and again you will live with wolves, you may behave like wolves. Because you must mature like human beings to begin with. In the same way, you have to mature like a self-realized person. Like a seed can germinate but it has to be looked after till it completely becomes an independent tree. This is your own power within you. She is your mother and she has no other child; she knows everything about you; she loves you and she wants you to have your self-realization. She is not going to give you any trouble. At the time of your birth, she takes all the troubles herself. It is a very smooth affair. At the first outset, it rushes very fast up there and you become one with the all-pervading power. You start feeling your own centres and the centres of others. I have shown here. All your centres are enlightened – seven of them. For example, this is the center of Heart. If you place your hands towards me like this and if you find this one burning (pointing to her little finger), that means there is some pressure on your heart. Like that, one can diagnose any disease that you are suffering from. All these decodings could be done through Sahaja Yoga. All this knowledge is available free. So that you enjoy yourself thoroughly and you feel yourself and others, give realization to others and enjoy the being. First time the human beings enjoy other human beings as if the fragrance from the flower is enjoying the flower. First time after Realization, you can repay back the nature which you have used. For example, if you give your vibrations to a tree, which is sick, it will improve, it will give more fruits, much more fruits. If you give vibrations to your wheat fields and paddy fields, you will have plenty of foods. You can even vibrate this water and give it to somebody and the person will feel perfectly alright in his stomach. When you become subtle, you can enter into the subtle of the elements. By entering into the subtle you can use them for your own purpose. Moreover, when you are in connection with the all-pervading power, there is a complete telecommunication working. Sitting here, you can know what is the matter with another person who is thousands of miles away from you. You can also cure that person. These children can find out if a particular person, who is dead or living, is realized or not? For example, in England, there is a place called Stonehenge and the people have different theories about it. Like blind finding something and they are quarrelling about it. Stonehenge is a miracle of the Mother Earth; it is Mother Earth who has created those stones. They have a particular pattern by which they emit vibrations. These vibrations are there to save London from getting drowned into materialism. The poor Mother Earth has to do all these things. (58:30) In the Ten Commandments, it is said that you shall not reproduce anything that is created by the Mother Earth or by the sky and worship it. What is produced by the Mother Earth? These things which give you vibrations. In India, we have many places like this. And we have so many saints who have found them out. The province from where I come there are eight which represent the innocence. The stones that have come up are not touched by human beings but they look exactly like Shri Ganesha. There are 12 'Jyotirlingas' which represent the heart, the Spirit. In Amarnath, in the Himalayas, there is a place in a cave where the water falls down and at a particular time, lunar date, the thing becomes a complete linga. In the Himalayas, one of the ranges of Himalayas, beyond the Kulu Valley, in the temple of Amarnath, there is a drop coming from the ceiling of a cave. It forms a complete Linga. At that date, it is completed and it gives vibrations. We have a center in a place known as Musselwadi in India. They told me a story about a bund that was built across a lake. Bund should be straight, but at a point, it went like that and again like that with a circular movement. I asked them what is the reason? So, they told me, about a hundred years back, an English engineer had come to build this barrage. This, he wrote, was a very unique phenomenon. He said that he tried to build a wall on that part but he could not raise it. Every night it used to fall back. Even the horses would refuse to go near that to put the mud over that. And he could not understand it, so he had to cross that point in a circular way. I went and saw that place. It was all vibrating and giving the vibrations as they would come from this center called as Sahasrara. The whole atmosphere was filled with that. Once I went to Kashmir with my husband and I had gone just for a drive with him a little further away from the city. And I felt tremendous vibrations in that area and I asked the driver if there was any temple or anything here? He said that it is all wilderness so I asked him to go in the direction from where the vibrations were coming. When we reached a particular area, we found some Muslim houses were settled there. They told us that there is one hair of Mohammad Sahab kept in that mosque, known as Hazrat Ekbal. (Ekbal means one hair. Hazrat means respect.) But for that hair, these useless people there fought among themselves and killed each other. Such shameless people they are. They do not understand the protocol of that hair. They don’t understand the vibrations. For example, in Paris, the statue of Mary in 'Notre Dame' is extremely vibrating. Imagine, a man committed suicide from such a beautiful holy place. What a shame. It is an insult of the deities. How will he understand? Because he is not a realized soul. That is why they crucified Christ. They could not understand him and they did not want to understand. Today I am faced with intellectuals. Intellectuals move like this, come like this, go like this, come like this, go like this, come like this – finished. They are a little bit this way. The other day one man told me that Hitler was also God. I asked him,” Who told you that?” He said that I believe that way. I asked him,” Who is this I who believes and on what premises?” He could not answer that question. If you can feel the vibrations of that horrid Hitler, you would know who he was. He was a demon. He not only destroyed people but he destroyed all the values of sustenance. He disturbed the sense of security so much in human beings that today we find all these kinds of problems in the West. How can you call a demon a God? From what intellectual angle? I do not know how one can see upside down things with your intellect? There is another guru in India who is teaching people how to use sex to go to God. Have you forgotten Christ? He said, “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” was the commandment, but I say, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes,” because the eyes are possessed when you do that. It’s a joyless effort, so tiring and so boring. It has no meaning. It fritters away your energy completely. When will you enjoy yourself with all the beauty of Paris? I find people just going like this. They have no time to enjoy beauty. They have no sensitivity to suck that beauty. Beautiful within that I can see. But because of these atmospheres and these great people writing books, you are lost in the opinion of others. (1:10:07) You are not to be found. What you say is somebody else’s opinion. You have known your own experience. Why should you listen to anybody else? Form your own opinion. But where are you? You are lost in the crowd. That’s why get your realization. That is your absolute and by that absolute you will know that this is all relative. Then only you will get answers to all your absolute questions. With this Yoga, with this communion, you become one with that Truth. It’s like a connection of a very beautifully built computer. Now this computer is very nicely made in thousands of years and a rapport is established that you can ask any question. You can ask the question, “Is there God?” And this question you will start getting lots of vibrations. But there is another type of things which are also called by negative people as vibrations. One should not confuse. If you get possessed, also, you start shaking. You’ll get convulsions. People pay thousands of pounds to get convulsions. We had here some people from TM, some from others, Rajneesh and this and that. They all have paid thousands of rupees just to get convulsions. Some of them were lunatics and some of them were epileptics. So many people like this are dying on the streets with epilepsy. You must know if you have got your own powers. If you are manifesting your own power, if you can feel your own chakras (centres), that’s your Self, and you must feel the chakras of others. You must improve in your health, in your wealth and in your temperament. The complete priorities must change and you should be a transformed personality. Otherwise, people pay them for convulsions or for epilepsy, or for getting sick and headaches? Most of these people have a terrible headache here, ending up in lunatic asylum. But they’re not telling each other because some mafia is going on; nobody knows what is going wrong with the others. You are told to keep complete secret. So that you do not know how far you are rottened and a competition is set in secretly. Some people are saying they are teaching flying. How can you believe with your intelligence such nonsense? With your evolution are you going to be become birds now and then frogs? You have to become something else which is described in all the scriptures, supported by all the incarnations and the prophets. Imagine, some people started flying. What would happen? God, will He make you such absurd things? Why do you want to fly? I just can’t understand? Some scientists came from America to see me, specially, because they wanted to fly in the air. They wanted to leave their body and go somewhere else. I told them, you have already landed on the moon. Why do you want to fly?” They said,” Because Russia is doing that.” I said,” Which Russian is flying?” They said,” They are doing parapsychology and ESP.” I said,” That is all possession of the spirits. Do you want domination of the spirits?” They said,” We want to fly.” But I said,” You will be enslaved by those spirits.” They said,” Still we want to do it because Russia is doing it.” I said,” If Russia is going to hell, will you go to hell, also?” Surprisingly, they said,” Yes.” I said,” Then go faster there.” I can’t understand these human beings, intelligent people. Intelligence is not wisdom. When wisdom is enlightened, then you become complete. Because this power controls the whole universe. It is the complete knowledge. It is the bliss. It is the attention of God which is completely enlightened. We have to enter into the kingdom of God and not to waste our life like this. This is very fantastic. People cannot believe that you cannot pay for your realization. We can’t believe we can get anything without paying. But how can you pay for your realization? That is an insult, a debasement. It is a very different thing I am telling you about, which cannot be sold, which just permeates. It permeates everywhere. It wants to be shared by everyone. It wants to elevate everyone, to that height where you are suddenly shot off into the space, where you become the master of yourself and one with God. I think for today I have spoken quite a lot and there are so many things to be said on this subject. We must first have the experience to understand what I am saying. Then use your vibrations on others to see how you work it out. If somebody gives me, say, French francs and I don’t use them, how will I know their value? And then establish it within yourself and enjoy your dignity. Till this light is not enlightened it is seeking. But once it is enlightened it is just giving light. The position changes from that to this. Then you become the giver. It is that simple and innate within you. The time has come for this. En masse evolution has started in India. Even in England there are thousands who have got realization. I have to see now how far Paris is going to come up. This is the first time I am here. Only through your wisdom and understanding you can expedite this evolution and transform the whole world into a new age. The time is short. As I told you Christ is going to come back with His eleven destructive forces. He is going to destroy all that is useless. This is your last judgement. Kundalini awakening is the way you are going to be judged. The last judgment has started; you just face it. All grace is with you. I’ll work very hard but you must also have determination. We all have to work hard and share the duty. May God Bless you all. [To a Sahaja Yogi] Can you ask them to take out the shoes and put both their feet on the ground? Christ’s Mother was the embodiment of that incarnation. But She was kept completely in the dark because Christ did not want that Her protocol should be disturbed. If anybody had troubled Her, He would come down on this Earth with eleven destructive powers. But He wore his cross because He had to show that resurrection is the aim of life. Put your hands like this. Straight like this. Now ask them to close their eyes	null	null	null	The Spiritual Evolution of Man, Paris, France 19-04-1980 [Today, the subject] is spiritual evolution of man. In my last three lectures, I’ve already explained about the residual force called as Kundalini that resides in the triangular bone here. This residual force gives us the second birth. But how did we become human beings? Though known to us, we do not know why we became human beings. All the scientists must ask this question, “Why did we become human beings? Is there any meaning to this human life? Or are we born just to eat our food, produce children, keep money for them, and then die?” If you make any instrument – for example, this instrument [mike] – you always have a purpose behind it. I’ve read a very good book by a gentleman, who was a French gentleman, whose name was Du Noüy – maybe I am not good at pronunciation – who wrote that, “It is impossible to produce a human being in this short time since the Earth seceded from the Sun.” That means, if you use the law of chance, you cannot explain this fast movement of development of a small carbon atom into a human being in such a short time. According to him, there must be a juggler behind it to do this. As I’ve told you before that this I put forward before you as a hypothesis and you must keep your mind open as any scientific personality does. If it comes true, then you have to believe into it. Yesterday I talked about the all-pervading power which is the Truth. Yesterday those who were here got their realization and they felt the power flowing from their hands, clearly. And they felt absolutely blissful. They also saw small children checking them, their vibrations. So, it is true that man has not yet discovered his meaning, so he has to become connected with the mains as any instrument has to. This is what is the spiritual evolution of man. When a human consciousness gets enlightened or there is a breakthrough into the unconscious then only, we can say that we have evolved fully or it is only then that you have achieved your full meaning. We can understand human evolution on the same way as we have the instruments set for spacecrafts. (6.27) In one spacecraft, an instrument is placed first, the lowest capsule, which explodes and accelerates the rate of the second capsule. One lower end capsule, and then there’s another one, and there’s another one and this one has the spacecraft in it. So, if this moves with the velocity of three, the explosion in this one (lower capsule) makes it three raises to the power, say, ten and this one makes it three raises to power, say, 20. It goes on like that. So, the acceleration is very fast. So ultimately this is thrown and triggered into the space. This all comes as a bundle, to begin with. In the same way, a human being is, first of all, exploded into his physical. Then the physical expresses into his mental being, then into his emotional being, then into his spiritual being. And then he should stop into his Spirit. That is the space of the all-pervading power. In us exist all the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual beings. Today, as the time is, man is so matured that he is more spiritual than physical. But the matter is so much attached to the Spirit, that it is very difficult for him to understand that the gap between the matter, the spiritual and the physical and other things is not so much binding. For example, all the affluent countries have a problem of suicide and the suicide is much more, the more you are affluent. I had some young girls from Sweden who came from Cambridge University, hardly about 20 years of age. And when I saw their vibrations, I was amazed; they were numb, just like a dead person’s vibrations. Otherwise, they were alright, they were children of rich people educating themselves. So, I asked them what do you think all the time? What do you plan? They told me, to my amazement, that they are planning how to commit suicide. I was so surprised and so hurt and unhappy and pained. With what care God has created them from amoeba to this stage and they are here to destroy themselves? I asked them what do you want? Do you want money? Do you want love? What do you want? And I called them to my house and made them sit down and I talked to them. I felt that they didn’t know what they wanted. But they said that we are very unhappy in life, as if there is some gap between us and ourselves. Perhaps we do not know what is our significance in this life. Then I told them that you can find your significance and why should you be that desperate? The God Almighty who has made you with this care, with this consistently working on you for ages, has made you a human being. He must have made some arrangement for you to find your own significance. And He has made all the arrangements, as we make for an instrument to have a cord to be attached to the mains. That is this Kundalini which is placed here. Thousands of years back in India, people had discovered the existence of Kundalini. Search in the West started, after Rousseau, into outside. But they could not enter inside. They thought it is better to search outside. Because they could not enter inside, they thought it was better to search outside. But as you were searching outside, there was a search inside going on, too. In that search they discovered this Kundalini being the source of our breakthrough. We have evolved through a force that exists within us on this center called as the Nabhi center or the Navel center. By giving us sustenance, by giving us our quality, our nature, or our natural religion that we were made into a human being. If you see in a chemical periodic law, you will be amazed how all these elements are arranged such a way, in a big beautiful chart, and how the carbon atom, when it came into existence, we started becoming alive. That carbon atom is placed within us here. Here is the innocence of the matter. Matter is innocent. Up to the animal stage we are absolutely innocent. Even human children are innocent, mostly. But we lose our innocence when we start using these two powers, one of desiring and another of action. We create the ego and superego by which we’ve become a human being. That’s how you become your Self. That means you become independent. You have all freedom to behave as you like. In that freedom only, you grasp the idea of the beyond. These ideas come to you through your dreams. Most of the paintings and the great arts are produced through the understanding of the unconscious. Our unconscious guides it all the time to warn us about our evolution. Jung has described it very clearly. He has experimented with thousands of people of different parts of the world. He says this unconscious gives the balance, the coordination, the future guidance through your dreams. That means our guidance has been there, we have a desire and we have an idea that there is something beyond. That means that we have a desire that we have to rise and that there is something beyond. And also, there is guidance coming from the unconscious. But there is another guidance which has come to us from God. This is very much believed into in India. Even in the Western world, if they follow Christianity or Judaism, they believe in it. It is believed that at that spot resides the power of God which evolves. This area according to Indian mythology is governed by a power called Lakshmi, which on one side gives us our sustenance and on the other side guides us how to behave. And from the same power, the male form of that power incarnates, again and again, to guide the people, in human form. This incarnation, in the beginning, was a fish when we were fishes; when we were tortoises, it was a tortoise; when we were reptiles, it was a tortoise; when we were quadrupeds, it was a boar. Then, later on, it became half man and half lion. Then it became a small man, a short man. Then it became the very strong man – Parasuraman. Then he came as Shri Rama. At his completion, he came as Shri Krishna. Now this center which has got the innocence, the incarnation of the innocence, the embodiment of innocence, was Shri Ganesh. This Shri Ganesh incarnated on this Earth as the only Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ. And He is going to reincarnate again with eleven powers to destroy. Apart from that, there is a third type of incarnation which works in this gap to sustain us. These are ten Primordial Masters, the Adi Gurus. These people incarnated on this Earth to give us our sustenance, our religion, as they call it. They gave us those ten religions, or sustenance, which is important for a human being. This principle of primordial masters incarnated as Abraham, as Moses, as Mohammad Sahab, as Janaka, as Nanaka, as Socrates and, till recently, the one who is no more now, is Shirdi Sainath. Now, these people are incarnations of one principle, that is the Primordial Master. The energy, or the power with which they work, is either a sister or a daughter, is a very pure relationship. If you read their teachings, you will find they are saying the same things because they were worried about our sustenance. But Christ talked about our evolution, our resurrection. Krishna, in his incarnation, he said that divine life cannot be destroyed. The life of Christ, or the body of Christ, was made of this divine power, absolute. In one of the very old scriptures, Devi Bhagawat from India, Christ is described as Mahavishnu. He is described as first being an egg; that’s why on an Easter we give eggs. But Christians can’t explain why they give eggs. They also cannot explain why he was called Christ and Jesus. When He talks of His father, it is Krishna He is talking about. It is said in the Devi Bhagawat, Krishna put His Son even above Him. And He gave Him such powers that He would be the support of the whole universe. As an Indian, if you have read about Indian mythology, you will have much more respect for Christ and His Mother, who was nothing else but the Primordial Mother. Because India was a slave for 300 years and English became the main language, nobody tried to translate anything about Indian things. Moreover, the Western people were more interested in sexology and all dirty things of India. It is like entering into a house from the gutters of the backdoor. Even now the way they are interested in all these dirty things is most amazing for Indians. We went to Nepal with my husband and children and we never noticed any erotic things. But I had a Swiss disciple in Nepal. When I went again to Nepal, he told me that it was full of erotics at the top of the temples. And all the Japanese and all such people were busy with zoom lenses watching all that with such minute details. I didn’t know what was there to watch. It is difficult to understand this mind which takes you to these nonsensical things. If you have to evaluate a person, you must know how far spiritually he has gone and not how much he has debased himself, not by that. How much he has mastered his lust and greed is to be seen and not how much he has enslaved himself of these things. If a person wants comfort and cannot live without comfort, he is not a spiritual man. He can live in comfort or discomfort; it makes no difference to him because he lives with his Spirit. Such a person is a king; nothing can dominate such a person; nobody can capture such a person or can make a parasite out of him. If one understands that spiritual life gives you the mastery of your being, then you would understand that those people who roam about as gurus are just parasites. (35:05) Now, these incarnations who came on this Earth were manifesting the different aspects of God. Because God is Compassion, He is Love, He is your Father and He is Almighty. He wants to bestow all His blessings upon you and He wants to enlighten your awareness. For that He sends His own emissaries to guide you, to rise above the shackles of matter, the mind, the emotions and spiritual mistakes. For that, God has already placed a power there. Many people have talked about this and have written big books of this kind. By reading books you cannot get the awakening of this Kundalini. It is a germinating force within us. It is a living force. You cannot germinate a seed by reading books. You have to have the Mother Earth to germinate. In the same way, to raise this Kundalini, you need a person who is the mother of this Kundalini, or who is the master of this art, who is compassion, who is Love, who is holy, who is righteous. But not a person who leads a funny life, a guru having seven women around, cannot be a master of Kundalini. A man who takes money from you cannot raise your Kundalini. A man who takes money from you has no self-respect. He cannot even talk of Kundalini. Such a person has to be higher than you. In that, he is humbler than you. He is full of love and patience and understanding; not of your purse, but of your beauty; not of your bank balance and your position, but your position within. If you find somebody coming with a circus, why should you be impressed by such a man? All important things, all vital things are extremely simple. For example, your own breathing. Supposing for your breathing if you have to read books and analyse it, will you breathe? For that, you don’t have to read any books. It is spontaneous. All your evolution has been spontaneous. You got your body, face, nose, eyes, this human being, all for nothing. What did you do to get that? It’s all given as a blessing to you because God wants his children to get all his blessings and all his powers. But in his freedom, man has become so egoistical that he is also denying God. It’s alright, it’s just the same as blind faith, just the same as denial of God. Even the people who believe in God, so-called, what have they achieved? That is the reason why people now are going to the other extreme of denying God. For example, Algeria, where the people have been under French regime and who believed in God and everything, but the young people became communists. Because the young people do not believe in the old people who are blindly following some sort of an organization of God. Because they are so mythical; they have no proof of God and they are so fanatic. Fanaticism is a disease. It has nothing to do with God. That’s one extreme and another extreme is denial of God. When you are in the center you can find God. A boy from Algeria came and he got his realization in London with me. He went and told the young people in Algeria that, “No, there is God, but we have to find him within ourselves.” He gave realization to five hundred young boys. With self-realization, your life is completely transformed. We have here about fifty-percent of people are realized souls. After realization, the power starts flowing from your hands. This is the power of your Spirit and you can use it and verify it. The diseases like cancer cannot be cured without self-realization. We have cured many cancer patients. I have even cured the President of India of lung cancer. You may write to him and find out. But it is very easy to approach a President in India if you’re a saint. They respect you as a saint. For example, the President of India would stand up for me, though I am an Indian citizen. And he would not sit down till I have sat down. But in the West, people do not stand even for their own father. The ego makes a person so naive about spirituality and anybody who comes to pamper your ego, you accept it. [Shri Mataji speaks to a seeker]: Are you taping my lecture? That’s not allowed? It’s alright? … The organization, they say it should not be taped, but it’s alright, because it has a little problem. There is a protocol about this. Only thing is for realized souls we allow, but not to non-realized souls because if you insult it, it will have an effect on you. Otherwise, there is no harm in recording me. There is no enterprise going on here, but there is a protocol. It’s alright, you can tape it because, for example, my photograph has vibrations. If you put my photograph somewhere else it is not alright, then you fall from the grace. It should not be done. You understand my point? Because it is a holy thing. You can tape it. The cancer and other such diseases can be cured through Self-realization as a by-product but it is not the main job of Sahaja Yoga. It is just a by-product. Like when God has to be realized within you, is to be established in your temple. Your temple has to be cleansed. If you do not get your realization, then there is no need to worry about it. You will get it, eventually and you must get it. This is your right to have it and you must assert your right. You cannot live without it. If you won’t take in this life, you will be born again and ask for the same. Why not short-circuit it? I said it is the easiest thing to do but very difficult for human beings to be easy. They can eat their food like this, but they want to eat the other way round. It is like a second birth of a bird. You become like an egg by that covering and when Kundalini pierces through, She breaks the shell here and you become a new person with a new awareness of collective consciousness. You become; you actualize. It is not just brainwashing. You just can feel it. But even if you are born as a human being and again you will live with wolves, you may behave like wolves. Because you must mature like human beings to begin with. In the same way, you have to mature like a self-realized person. Like a seed can germinate but it has to be looked after till it completely becomes an independent tree. This is your own power within you. She is your mother and she has no other child; she knows everything about you; she loves you and she wants you to have your self-realization. She is not going to give you any trouble. At the time of your birth, she takes all the troubles herself. It is a very smooth affair. At the first outset, it rushes very fast up there and you become one with the all-pervading power. You start feeling your own centres and the centres of others. I have shown here. All your centres are enlightened – seven of them. For example, this is the center of Heart. If you place your hands towards me like this and if you find this one burning (pointing to her little finger), that means there is some pressure on your heart. Like that, one can diagnose any disease that you are suffering from. All these decodings could be done through Sahaja Yoga. All this knowledge is available free. So that you enjoy yourself thoroughly and you feel yourself and others, give realization to others and enjoy the being. First time the human beings enjoy other human beings as if the fragrance from the flower is enjoying the flower. First time after Realization, you can repay back the nature which you have used. For example, if you give your vibrations to a tree, which is sick, it will improve, it will give more fruits, much more fruits. If you give vibrations to your wheat fields and paddy fields, you will have plenty of foods. You can even vibrate this water and give it to somebody and the person will feel perfectly alright in his stomach. When you become subtle, you can enter into the subtle of the elements. By entering into the subtle you can use them for your own purpose. Moreover, when you are in connection with the all-pervading power, there is a complete telecommunication working. Sitting here, you can know what is the matter with another person who is thousands of miles away from you. You can also cure that person. These children can find out if a particular person, who is dead or living, is realized or not? For example, in England, there is a place called Stonehenge and the people have different theories about it. Like blind finding something and they are quarrelling about it. Stonehenge is a miracle of the Mother Earth; it is Mother Earth who has created those stones. They have a particular pattern by which they emit vibrations. These vibrations are there to save London from getting drowned into materialism. The poor Mother Earth has to do all these things. (58:30) In the Ten Commandments, it is said that you shall not reproduce anything that is created by the Mother Earth or by the sky and worship it. What is produced by the Mother Earth? These things which give you vibrations. In India, we have many places like this. And we have so many saints who have found them out. The province from where I come there are eight which represent the innocence. The stones that have come up are not touched by human beings but they look exactly like Shri Ganesha. There are 12 'Jyotirlingas' which represent the heart, the Spirit. In Amarnath, in the Himalayas, there is a place in a cave where the water falls down and at a particular time, lunar date, the thing becomes a complete linga. In the Himalayas, one of the ranges of Himalayas, beyond the Kulu Valley, in the temple of Amarnath, there is a drop coming from the ceiling of a cave. It forms a complete Linga. At that date, it is completed and it gives vibrations. We have a center in a place known as Musselwadi in India. They told me a story about a bund that was built across a lake. Bund should be straight, but at a point, it went like that and again like that with a circular movement. I asked them what is the reason? So, they told me, about a hundred years back, an English engineer had come to build this barrage. This, he wrote, was a very unique phenomenon. He said that he tried to build a wall on that part but he could not raise it. Every night it used to fall back. Even the horses would refuse to go near that to put the mud over that. And he could not understand it, so he had to cross that point in a circular way. I went and saw that place. It was all vibrating and giving the vibrations as they would come from this center called as Sahasrara. The whole atmosphere was filled with that. Once I went to Kashmir with my husband and I had gone just for a drive with him a little further away from the city. And I felt tremendous vibrations in that area and I asked the driver if there was any temple or anything here? He said that it is all wilderness so I asked him to go in the direction from where the vibrations were coming. When we reached a particular area, we found some Muslim houses were settled there. They told us that there is one hair of Mohammad Sahab kept in that mosque, known as Hazrat Ekbal. (Ekbal means one hair. Hazrat means respect.) But for that hair, these useless people there fought among themselves and killed each other. Such shameless people they are. They do not understand the protocol of that hair. They don’t understand the vibrations. For example, in Paris, the statue of Mary in 'Notre Dame' is extremely vibrating. Imagine, a man committed suicide from such a beautiful holy place. What a shame. It is an insult of the deities. How will he understand? Because he is not a realized soul. That is why they crucified Christ. They could not understand him and they did not want to understand. Today I am faced with intellectuals. Intellectuals move like this, come like this, go like this, come like this, go like this, come like this – finished. They are a little bit this way. The other day one man told me that Hitler was also God. I asked him,” Who told you that?” He said that I believe that way. I asked him,” Who is this I who believes and on what premises?” He could not answer that question. If you can feel the vibrations of that horrid Hitler, you would know who he was. He was a demon. He not only destroyed people but he destroyed all the values of sustenance. He disturbed the sense of security so much in human beings that today we find all these kinds of problems in the West. How can you call a demon a God? From what intellectual angle? I do not know how one can see upside down things with your intellect? There is another guru in India who is teaching people how to use sex to go to God. Have you forgotten Christ? He said, “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” was the commandment, but I say, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes,” because the eyes are possessed when you do that. It’s a joyless effort, so tiring and so boring. It has no meaning. It fritters away your energy completely. When will you enjoy yourself with all the beauty of Paris? I find people just going like this. They have no time to enjoy beauty. They have no sensitivity to suck that beauty. Beautiful within that I can see. But because of these atmospheres and these great people writing books, you are lost in the opinion of others. (1:10:07) You are not to be found. What you say is somebody else’s opinion. You have known your own experience. Why should you listen to anybody else? Form your own opinion. But where are you? You are lost in the crowd. That’s why get your realization. That is your absolute and by that absolute you will know that this is all relative. Then only you will get answers to all your absolute questions. With this Yoga, with this communion, you become one with that Truth. It’s like a connection of a very beautifully built computer. Now this computer is very nicely made in thousands of years and a rapport is established that you can ask any question. You can ask the question, “Is there God?” And this question you will start getting lots of vibrations. But there is another type of things which are also called by negative people as vibrations. One should not confuse. If you get possessed, also, you start shaking. You’ll get convulsions. People pay thousands of pounds to get convulsions. We had here some people from TM, some from others, Rajneesh and this and that. They all have paid thousands of rupees just to get convulsions. Some of them were lunatics and some of them were epileptics. So many people like this are dying on the streets with epilepsy. You must know if you have got your own powers. If you are manifesting your own power, if you can feel your own chakras (centres), that’s your Self, and you must feel the chakras of others. You must improve in your health, in your wealth and in your temperament. The complete priorities must change and you should be a transformed personality. Otherwise, people pay them for convulsions or for epilepsy, or for getting sick and headaches? Most of these people have a terrible headache here, ending up in lunatic asylum. But they’re not telling each other because some mafia is going on; nobody knows what is going wrong with the others. You are told to keep complete secret. So that you do not know how far you are rottened and a competition is set in secretly. Some people are saying they are teaching flying. How can you believe with your intelligence such nonsense? With your evolution are you going to be become birds now and then frogs? You have to become something else which is described in all the scriptures, supported by all the incarnations and the prophets. Imagine, some people started flying. What would happen? God, will He make you such absurd things? Why do you want to fly? I just can’t understand? Some scientists came from America to see me, specially, because they wanted to fly in the air. They wanted to leave their body and go somewhere else. I told them, you have already landed on the moon. Why do you want to fly?” They said,” Because Russia is doing that.” I said,” Which Russian is flying?” They said,” They are doing parapsychology and ESP.” I said,” That is all possession of the spirits. Do you want domination of the spirits?” They said,” We want to fly.” But I said,” You will be enslaved by those spirits.” They said,” Still we want to do it because Russia is doing it.” I said,” If Russia is going to hell, will you go to hell, also?” Surprisingly, they said,” Yes.” I said,” Then go faster there.” I can’t understand these human beings, intelligent people. Intelligence is not wisdom. When wisdom is enlightened, then you become complete. Because this power controls the whole universe. It is the complete knowledge. It is the bliss. It is the attention of God which is completely enlightened. We have to enter into the kingdom of God and not to waste our life like this. This is very fantastic. People cannot believe that you cannot pay for your realization. We can’t believe we can get anything without paying. But how can you pay for your realization? That is an insult, a debasement. It is a very different thing I am telling you about, which cannot be sold, which just permeates. It permeates everywhere. It wants to be shared by everyone. It wants to elevate everyone, to that height where you are suddenly shot off into the space, where you become the master of yourself and one with God. I think for today I have spoken quite a lot and there are so many things to be said on this subject. We must first have the experience to understand what I am saying. Then use your vibrations on others to see how you work it out. If somebody gives me, say, French francs and I don’t use them, how will I know their value? And then establish it within yourself and enjoy your dignity. Till this light is not enlightened it is seeking. But once it is enlightened it is just giving light. The position changes from that to this. Then you become the giver. It is that simple and innate within you. The time has come for this. En masse evolution has started in India. Even in England there are thousands who have got realization. I have to see now how far Paris is going to come up. This is the first time I am here. Only through your wisdom and understanding you can expedite this evolution and transform the whole world into a new age. The time is short. As I told you Christ is going to come back with His eleven destructive forces. He is going to destroy all that is useless. This is your last judgement. Kundalini awakening is the way you are going to be judged. The last judgment has started; you just face it. All grace is with you. I’ll work very hard but you must also have determination. We all have to work hard and share the duty. May God Bless you all. [To a Sahaja Yogi] Can you ask them to take out the shoes and put both their feet on the ground? Christ’s Mother was the embodiment of that incarnation. But She was kept completely in the dark because Christ did not want that Her protocol should be disturbed. If anybody had troubled Her, He would come down on this Earth with eleven destructive powers. But He wore his cross because He had to show that resurrection is the aim of life. Put your hands like this. Straight like this. Now ask them to close their eyes
4/20/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8473	Shri Lalita Puja	France	Paris	In Progress, Reviewed	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Devi	English	55	Shri Lalita puja, the significance of puja, Paris, 20.04.1980 I have told you before also but again today I want to tell you the significance of puja. The significance is this, that when you do the puja you recognize Me. By your recognition and your surrendering the deities get happy. They’re overjoyed that you have recognized it. You are fully identified yourself that you are understanding Me in My full form, that you are coming closer to them. And I tell the like elder brothers feel happy when the younger ones are coming to meet. So, they start releasing My vibrations with a greater force – much greater force. You have seen that after puja sometimes when you do not absorb the vibrations, I get little tired because the vibrations start coming out of all the chakras and you do not absorb, so the give and take process is not balanced. The identification in the west is very slow because of mental activity. Your attachment to your mental activity and to your rationality is very great. With puja, the vibrations try to detach you from your mental activity, from your rationality and then you are stationed into the realm of divine existence. Anything else, even My lecture, which is really mantra – but even that gives you a mental activity. You start thinking about it. Then by thinking about it, you think, you know about Sahaja Yoga. Then by thinking that you know, you become egoistical. You think you know such a lot about Sahaja Yoga. That again it, in a way, helps to bloat your ego. That you start thinking that you know so much about Sahaja Yoga. The greatest grip on the western being is that of rationality – analysing. You start analysing everything. Which is only through puja you just you are blown off, like when the fruit is ready, the petals of the flower out of which the fruit has come out, blow off and the fruit remains.This complete detachment is possible in even one puja. But that too takes time, because even puja is rationalized; puja should be done with your heart, feeling the love within you, that you are worshipping your Mother, who is an incarnation of Adi Shakti, is a very great thing. Do it with your heart, not with your mind. That’s why you know we do not allow many people to come for puja, because that creates another whirlwind of rationality.Once you are detached from yourself, all your problems become so tiny as you see from the sky, from the aeroplane all the farfetched things which are not so important. And the problems that are going in the houses down below do not touch you. You go beyond clouds and you live in the area of that space of divine love. Then all your petty things irritating things, all your so called problems of live, all disappear and then only you can be effective more, much more effective, because you become a source of divine love. Puja is the only way I feel you can stop your mental activity. Sahaja Yoga cannot be understood trough rationality. Mentally it may be, but to become you have to detach yourself completely. You have to go beyond it, because this limits your movement. Everything that you are doing here is significant, but it’s not a mental significance, it has a divine significance. For example, even painting My feet now. What you do is to recognize Me first of all. Then the importance of these feet. These feet have been working, have been dancing for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.Shri Mataji: Where is she gone? Linda? She must be missing at the right moment. Where is she gone? She’s not yet here? Like we use lemons. Rationally we cannot explain how lemons can cure a person, but they do, you have seen. People being cured of mental troubles, of possessions. You cannot explain rationally. In the divine way one can explain, that it has got a coefficient which can absorb the possessions which are foreign. But why and how? That’s beyond your mind. You do not understand, you do not have that instrument. So, it comes that Sahaja Yoga is to be accepted. It’s the only way you can be a Sahaja Yogi. Acceptance is the only way. Go on accepting it, so that you can develop. Like a little plant starts accepting whatever the Mother Earth gives it and grows. It does not try to understand the Mother Earth. It does not. It just wants to grow on the riches of the Mother Earth. That is what is puja by which you are blessed by the Divine so that you shoot off should of from all your physical, mental, emotional and the so-called spiritual being, which was seeking into the realm where you have sought. So, today we must determine that we’ll have no rational activity about it, otherwise you want won’t have the joy of Sahaja Yoga, which is your achievement. Stop rationalizing it. With your heart you do the puja. All these things that you are going to do has very, very great significance, which I’ll explain to you some other time, but that explanation cannot take you too far. It is too minute to enter into the gross understanding. So, best is to absorb it and absorb it and enjoy it. Why do you want to enter into the whole machinery of electricity? You just use the electricity. All machinery is done for you, is prepared for you. Don’t try to envisage it, to conceive it in your little mind. You must know that you have to become the ocean and not try to understand the ocean with the drop of your brain. If you realize that, then you can become the ocean. Your limits are broken by puja and you become one with the unlimited. It blasts you limits and your limitations. Tell your mind not to come and trouble you during puja, then it will work out.May God bless you! [Shri Mataji gives order to somebody]But you’re small children, so it does no matter.It’s a pleasant task. Little understanding must be developed, that there is a protocol of this Incarnation and you should not try to pass over it. The greatest protocol is humility, is humbleness. Humility is the only way you are given this great opportunity to worship Me. If you are not humble, you cannot worship Me. It’s not a ritual, it’s the growing within ourselves. Stop your mental activity now, just don’t think, then only it will start working.May God bless you! Sit down, sit down, sit down, sitting down will be, sit down, you need not stand up. Now, you put your hand outside and stay.[Hindi] [Shri Mataji starts reading]This name stresses the excellence of Dakshinat chara [?] by implication, all right. It’s all right for them. The names 99 to 108 describe the Kundalini Yoga briefly, you see. The individual soul which has used a form of ‘Jiva’ loses its sense of identity with the cosmic soul and identifies itself with the body and mind. The Kundalini Yoga helps the individual soul to regain its identity with the Divine Mother, which is the Cosmic Consciousness. Individual consciousness in its lower state is the wakeful state. The Jiva’s name in this state is ‘vishwa’. In this, the individual is mostly body conscious. It is normally difficult for the individual to transcend this state consciously.The next one is the state of consciousness of the individual in a dream: ‘sushupti’. Here the impressions are all mental. The body consciousness is mostly replaced by mental configuration or ordinarily an individual cannot get into this state or transcend to higher levels of consciousness through one’s will. The Jiva is here called ‘tejasa’. Tejasa is the light. The next higher state of consciousness is one in dreamlessly. Here Jiva is beyond both, the body and mind and is called as ‘pragnya’, which is enlightened. Here the body and mind are both inactive. The Jiva be freed of body and mental activity has reached a higher level of consciousness. But here, though this consciousness is nearer the cosmic, it is still limited. It is only when he transcends this 'pragnya state' and becomes ‘turiya’ – turiya means the fourth – that he regains his identity with cosmic consciousness.In Kundalini Yoga, the devotee through the grace of guru and Shri Lalita as Iccha Shakti [Power of desire]– as the Desire Power of the guru. But actually, here Shri Lalita is sitting before you. So, it’s such a great thing for you. Stays dormant Kundalini coiled up as body consciousness in Mooladhara and by conscious effort of will makes her pierce through the six chakras from Mooladhara to Agnya. Once the Kundalini rises and goes beyond Agnya the devotee becomes cosmic conscious or turiya [fourth dimension]. The transition from one state to the next higher state seems to be similar to opening a difficult gate or undergoing a tied-up knot: granthi.The body consciousness of vishwa seems to extend up to Swadishthana and there is placed the Brahma-Granthi or knot. Brahma-Granthi is there. From this the next state of consciousness of Jiva called Tejasa extends above Anahata, where the Vishnu-Granthi is placed. See, Brahma- Granthi and then Vishnu-Granthi is placed. ‘Granthi’ means when two things bind together. So, it is between Vishuddhi and Heart this Granthi takes place – Vishnu-Granthi. This state of consciousness of Jiva called pragnya, similar to dreamless, extends up to Agnya, above which is Rudra-Granthi. Between this is 'turiya state', where individual and Cosmic Consciousness unite.Now see, all this three you cross and then the last granthi you cross also. The Kundalini rises just like a jet as you know in this, because of Me. But the gurus have to do it one by one. They have to open every granthi, they have to work it out and put it up there and keep it down, then again and this, this. But, will you stop that now or you go out? Everybody is catching on the heart now! Why do you do like that every time?Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: There’s no explanation for it; Just the position and you get into it very easily. It’s just a position that you have. Why do you get into it? You should have put some will power. You’re so anxious to go out always. You should not have gone. You should have asked somebody else to go and do that for you. Must you go in the market every time? There’s nobody else who can go? And then come back with a problem for everyone, it’s not a good thing. Now, put a bandhan onto yourself, that’s all. And now you don’t cry, just stop crying. And tell yourself that, I’m not going to cry anymore. Everybody is catching on the heart, in the centre. You can’t spoil everybody’s puja.Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Was he?Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: But why did you go? You should not have gone. You could have sent somebody else. You must always jump for a market. I’ve seen you, what is the need? You should not go. First day, you have suffered. Then also I was watching. Second day, you wanted to go. Third day you wanted to go. Every time, why do you want to go to market? There is some bhoot there, sitting down. At least today, you could have asked somebody else to go and get it. But you never do that! If you ask, anybody will go and get it for you. [Inaudible]. It’s all right. You could have asked Douglas. He’s all right. Just now you are still sick. Be careful. And you sicken everybody. Everybody is catching on the heart. Is it the way to behave? Now hold your breath. No, not to feel bad now please, for heaven sake, hold your breath. Just it’s all right, it’s all forgiven, washed off, clean out [unsure]. See, this flower was absolutely dead yesterday. When I touched it, it’s coming back to life. I can do everything except for giving you sense, that you’d better heave. Every time you go and catch, every time you come back here, catching. So, when are you going to give up? I was just watching. I play on you to see how far sensible you have become. All right? Doesn’t matter, it’s little bit my fault too. Now, smile it. It’s all right. Now everybody’s heart is catching. Now, don’t be silly, there is nothing serious. Ah, look at that! Now, better. You are better. By scolding, the bhoot has run away. You should be alert that’s the main point is. Why should you go out for shopping every time and you are catching? All right now. I feel sorry the way you people are not wise. Now, you have understood this or not? From this the next state of consciousness of Jiva, called – I hope you have not recorded My scolding [Shri Mataji laughs].Sahaja Yogi: This, I’ve done [unsure]Shri Mataji: All right. – where the Vishnu-Granthi is placed.You give her a bandhan all of you. Give yourself a bandhan. Finished. Just give her a bandhan. She’ll be all right. Every time she goes, she catches. [Shri Mataji laughs]. And where you have to go, you try to avoid. Ah! All right. It’s better? Now, don’t cry.[Hindi]So, beyond this is 'turiya state', where individual and cosmic consciousness unite.Now all this from 99 to 108 is Kundalini Yoga. You should remember these names by heart, it’s good idea. It’s not much from 99 to 108 how many they make?Sahaja Yogis: Nine names.Shri Mataji: None names, so, not difficult for you to know. And all the- they have given the chakras on this, you see. Now, nobody knows Hindi. She can read it.[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi]Shri Mataji give something to the Yogis: Give it to Linda. You all put it too, is good for all of you. Better put it. Just put it in your eyes and also smell a little bit of that, the badha will run away. [Shri Mataji laughs].Now, smell it, come along! See, if you have ladies as your disciples, at the slightest, they start crying, it’s the big problem. [Shri Mataji laughs]Sahaja Yogini: It’s my love for my child which makes me cry.Shri Mataji: Love for your?Sahaja Yogi: Child.Shri Mataji: Why? What’s the problem? Your child is perfectly all right. And he’s going to put you right and many other so don’t you worry. I put a solid stuff there. You don’t worry about your child. You’d better cry for yourself, not for him.All right. It’s correct? Now Now, read it. Read it, it’s not so difficult. And just the meaning of it. Keep it there.[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi] Ganesha puja. I think you’d better say about Ganesha, the mantra of Ganesha because of that, you see, this Vigana starts. Vigana is the [?] between you and the puja. You take the nae of Ganesha. Om twame wa sakshat shri Ganesha. All of you.[Twice]Shri Mataji: Again.Now, better? [Somebody reads the Names of Shri Lalita from the Lalita Sahasranama Stotra] 99 Mooladhara nilaya: She dwells in Muladhara Chakra as Kundalini Mahim Mooladhara.100 Brahma granthi vibhedini: She cuts the knot of Brahma. She helps the devotee to consciously transcend his wakeful state.101 Manipurantha rudita: After cutting the Brahma-Granthi Shri Lalita appears in Manipura to the devotee. Here the devotee feels the unreality of a wakeful state.102 Vishnu granthi vibhedini: She cuts the knot of Vishnu. If this is done, the devotees perceive the unreality of his individuality as body, mind and life. He loses their consciousness.103 Agnya chakranta-ralastha: She is inside the Agnya chakra at the junction of the eyebrows. Here the devotee loses most of the sense of individuality, which act is completed in the next name.104 Rudra granthi vibhedini: She cuts the knot of Rudra. Here after the Jiva loses his individual consciousness and becomes one with the cosmic consciousness Shiva in Sahasrara.105 Sahasrarambuja rudha: She is the essence of Sahasrara Chakra. She dwells there as Sakshi or Chitkala. In the liberated soul this is Moksha.106 Sudha sarabhi varshini: She reigns the quietness of the nectar. The devotee feels incomparable bliss in his state. Here culminates the Kundalini-Sadhana.107 Tatillata samaruchih: She is dwelling like a lightning. This is how She appears to devotes in the sadhana.108 Shad chakropari samsthita: She is above the six chakras.109 Mahashakti: Fond of the feast of her union with Shiva as She is his great power.110 Kundalini: She’s coiled like the serpent. She stays to assume three and half coils, the form in which Shri Lalita resides in each individual in the potential state.111 Bisa thanthu thaniyasi: As slender as the lotus’ stock.112 Bhavani: Queen of Bhava, Shiva. The one who gives life to samsara [or Bhavasagara] of Shiva, the universe.113 Bhavana gamya: Realized by the mental. Here, it may be dhyana.114 Bhavarani kudariga. [Cut in audio][Shri Mataji explains this name; inaudible] Verify through… how she acts. Like you have seen the flower, how it is formed. You have seen the movement of Kundalini; you have seen how it rises. All these things start making impression on your mind. [Inaudible] I mean it is not that nothing is happening if you cannot understand rationally [Inaudible]. So, by your rational conclusion, you reach the point. But this rationality can give you the knowledge, it’s not difficult, it’s very easy. So, that this knowledge is called as Dhyana. [Inaudible] There is a confusion, does not matter. Whatever it may be, "dhyana” means you are there, you are born [Inaudible]. But according to them, "dhyana” means mentally to understand the thing. Mentally you accept Me, mentally you accept but the heart you accept Me. When you accept Me with your heart, it’s even better. [Inaudible]. 115 Bhadra Priya: She loves to be benevolent.116 Bhadra murthy: She who is personification of benevolence117 Bhaktha sowbhAgnya dhayini: Her devotees get all good things and also the best, that is moksha118 Bhakthi priya: Fond of devotees.There are various forms of bhakti.119 Bhakthi gamya: She’s realised by devotion120 Bhakthi vasya: She gives the swarupa janana rasp of ultimate realityShri Mataji: Bhakthi gamya means she’s only knowledgeable through devotion. Gamya. [Inaudible]. We can only go into her through bhakti, there’s no other way.121 Bhayapaha: She dispels fear. Fear is the motive of many of our actions that obscure the vision of truth.Shri Mataji: She’s done [inaudible] that show that you are afraid, it’s very good. You always use: "I'm afraid, I'm afraid" What are you afraid of? [Inaudible].122 Sambhavya: Queen of Shambhu, the Shiva.123 Saradha radya: She is worshipped by Saradha.Shri Mataji: Saradha is the Sarasvati. Sarasvati herself worships her because she’s Mahashakti. 124 Sarvani: Queen of Sarvar that is Shiva.125 Sarmadhayini: Giver of happiness including divine bliss.126 Shankari: Queen of Shankara, that is the Shiva127 Srikari: Beneficent.128 Sadhwi: Inseparable from Lord ShivaShri Mataji: [Inaudible] In the left, Lalita, give you Realization, with the right, she can give benevolence.129 Sarat chandra nibhanana: Her face is beautiful like the full moon in "saradru" (autumn) [...]	null	null	null	Shri Lalita puja, the significance of puja, Paris, 20.04.1980 I have told you before also but again today I want to tell you the significance of puja. The significance is this, that when you do the puja you recognize Me. By your recognition and your surrendering the deities get happy. They’re overjoyed that you have recognized it. You are fully identified yourself that you are understanding Me in My full form, that you are coming closer to them. And I tell the like elder brothers feel happy when the younger ones are coming to meet. So, they start releasing My vibrations with a greater force – much greater force. You have seen that after puja sometimes when you do not absorb the vibrations, I get little tired because the vibrations start coming out of all the chakras and you do not absorb, so the give and take process is not balanced. The identification in the west is very slow because of mental activity. Your attachment to your mental activity and to your rationality is very great. With puja, the vibrations try to detach you from your mental activity, from your rationality and then you are stationed into the realm of divine existence. Anything else, even My lecture, which is really mantra – but even that gives you a mental activity. You start thinking about it. Then by thinking about it, you think, you know about Sahaja Yoga. Then by thinking that you know, you become egoistical. You think you know such a lot about Sahaja Yoga. That again it, in a way, helps to bloat your ego. That you start thinking that you know so much about Sahaja Yoga. The greatest grip on the western being is that of rationality – analysing. You start analysing everything. Which is only through puja you just you are blown off, like when the fruit is ready, the petals of the flower out of which the fruit has come out, blow off and the fruit remains.This complete detachment is possible in even one puja. But that too takes time, because even puja is rationalized; puja should be done with your heart, feeling the love within you, that you are worshipping your Mother, who is an incarnation of Adi Shakti, is a very great thing. Do it with your heart, not with your mind. That’s why you know we do not allow many people to come for puja, because that creates another whirlwind of rationality.Once you are detached from yourself, all your problems become so tiny as you see from the sky, from the aeroplane all the farfetched things which are not so important. And the problems that are going in the houses down below do not touch you. You go beyond clouds and you live in the area of that space of divine love. Then all your petty things irritating things, all your so called problems of live, all disappear and then only you can be effective more, much more effective, because you become a source of divine love. Puja is the only way I feel you can stop your mental activity. Sahaja Yoga cannot be understood trough rationality. Mentally it may be, but to become you have to detach yourself completely. You have to go beyond it, because this limits your movement. Everything that you are doing here is significant, but it’s not a mental significance, it has a divine significance. For example, even painting My feet now. What you do is to recognize Me first of all. Then the importance of these feet. These feet have been working, have been dancing for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.Shri Mataji: Where is she gone? Linda? She must be missing at the right moment. Where is she gone? She’s not yet here? Like we use lemons. Rationally we cannot explain how lemons can cure a person, but they do, you have seen. People being cured of mental troubles, of possessions. You cannot explain rationally. In the divine way one can explain, that it has got a coefficient which can absorb the possessions which are foreign. But why and how? That’s beyond your mind. You do not understand, you do not have that instrument. So, it comes that Sahaja Yoga is to be accepted. It’s the only way you can be a Sahaja Yogi. Acceptance is the only way. Go on accepting it, so that you can develop. Like a little plant starts accepting whatever the Mother Earth gives it and grows. It does not try to understand the Mother Earth. It does not. It just wants to grow on the riches of the Mother Earth. That is what is puja by which you are blessed by the Divine so that you shoot off should of from all your physical, mental, emotional and the so-called spiritual being, which was seeking into the realm where you have sought. So, today we must determine that we’ll have no rational activity about it, otherwise you want won’t have the joy of Sahaja Yoga, which is your achievement. Stop rationalizing it. With your heart you do the puja. All these things that you are going to do has very, very great significance, which I’ll explain to you some other time, but that explanation cannot take you too far. It is too minute to enter into the gross understanding. So, best is to absorb it and absorb it and enjoy it. Why do you want to enter into the whole machinery of electricity? You just use the electricity. All machinery is done for you, is prepared for you. Don’t try to envisage it, to conceive it in your little mind. You must know that you have to become the ocean and not try to understand the ocean with the drop of your brain. If you realize that, then you can become the ocean. Your limits are broken by puja and you become one with the unlimited. It blasts you limits and your limitations. Tell your mind not to come and trouble you during puja, then it will work out.May God bless you! [Shri Mataji gives order to somebody]But you’re small children, so it does no matter.It’s a pleasant task. Little understanding must be developed, that there is a protocol of this Incarnation and you should not try to pass over it. The greatest protocol is humility, is humbleness. Humility is the only way you are given this great opportunity to worship Me. If you are not humble, you cannot worship Me. It’s not a ritual, it’s the growing within ourselves. Stop your mental activity now, just don’t think, then only it will start working.May God bless you! Sit down, sit down, sit down, sitting down will be, sit down, you need not stand up. Now, you put your hand outside and stay.[Hindi] [Shri Mataji starts reading]This name stresses the excellence of Dakshinat chara [?] by implication, all right. It’s all right for them. The names 99 to 108 describe the Kundalini Yoga briefly, you see. The individual soul which has used a form of ‘Jiva’ loses its sense of identity with the cosmic soul and identifies itself with the body and mind. The Kundalini Yoga helps the individual soul to regain its identity with the Divine Mother, which is the Cosmic Consciousness. Individual consciousness in its lower state is the wakeful state. The Jiva’s name in this state is ‘vishwa’. In this, the individual is mostly body conscious. It is normally difficult for the individual to transcend this state consciously.The next one is the state of consciousness of the individual in a dream: ‘sushupti’. Here the impressions are all mental. The body consciousness is mostly replaced by mental configuration or ordinarily an individual cannot get into this state or transcend to higher levels of consciousness through one’s will. The Jiva is here called ‘tejasa’. Tejasa is the light. The next higher state of consciousness is one in dreamlessly. Here Jiva is beyond both, the body and mind and is called as ‘pragnya’, which is enlightened. Here the body and mind are both inactive. The Jiva be freed of body and mental activity has reached a higher level of consciousness. But here, though this consciousness is nearer the cosmic, it is still limited. It is only when he transcends this 'pragnya state' and becomes ‘turiya’ – turiya means the fourth – that he regains his identity with cosmic consciousness.In Kundalini Yoga, the devotee through the grace of guru and Shri Lalita as Iccha Shakti [Power of desire]– as the Desire Power of the guru. But actually, here Shri Lalita is sitting before you. So, it’s such a great thing for you. Stays dormant Kundalini coiled up as body consciousness in Mooladhara and by conscious effort of will makes her pierce through the six chakras from Mooladhara to Agnya. Once the Kundalini rises and goes beyond Agnya the devotee becomes cosmic conscious or turiya [fourth dimension]. The transition from one state to the next higher state seems to be similar to opening a difficult gate or undergoing a tied-up knot: granthi.The body consciousness of vishwa seems to extend up to Swadishthana and there is placed the Brahma-Granthi or knot. Brahma-Granthi is there. From this the next state of consciousness of Jiva called Tejasa extends above Anahata, where the Vishnu-Granthi is placed. See, Brahma- Granthi and then Vishnu-Granthi is placed. ‘Granthi’ means when two things bind together. So, it is between Vishuddhi and Heart this Granthi takes place – Vishnu-Granthi. This state of consciousness of Jiva called pragnya, similar to dreamless, extends up to Agnya, above which is Rudra-Granthi. Between this is 'turiya state', where individual and Cosmic Consciousness unite.Now see, all this three you cross and then the last granthi you cross also. The Kundalini rises just like a jet as you know in this, because of Me. But the gurus have to do it one by one. They have to open every granthi, they have to work it out and put it up there and keep it down, then again and this, this. But, will you stop that now or you go out? Everybody is catching on the heart now! Why do you do like that every time?Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: There’s no explanation for it; Just the position and you get into it very easily. It’s just a position that you have. Why do you get into it? You should have put some will power. You’re so anxious to go out always. You should not have gone. You should have asked somebody else to go and do that for you. Must you go in the market every time? There’s nobody else who can go? And then come back with a problem for everyone, it’s not a good thing. Now, put a bandhan onto yourself, that’s all. And now you don’t cry, just stop crying. And tell yourself that, I’m not going to cry anymore. Everybody is catching on the heart, in the centre. You can’t spoil everybody’s puja.Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Was he?Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: But why did you go? You should not have gone. You could have sent somebody else. You must always jump for a market. I’ve seen you, what is the need? You should not go. First day, you have suffered. Then also I was watching. Second day, you wanted to go. Third day you wanted to go. Every time, why do you want to go to market? There is some bhoot there, sitting down. At least today, you could have asked somebody else to go and get it. But you never do that! If you ask, anybody will go and get it for you. [Inaudible]. It’s all right. You could have asked Douglas. He’s all right. Just now you are still sick. Be careful. And you sicken everybody. Everybody is catching on the heart. Is it the way to behave? Now hold your breath. No, not to feel bad now please, for heaven sake, hold your breath. Just it’s all right, it’s all forgiven, washed off, clean out [unsure]. See, this flower was absolutely dead yesterday. When I touched it, it’s coming back to life. I can do everything except for giving you sense, that you’d better heave. Every time you go and catch, every time you come back here, catching. So, when are you going to give up? I was just watching. I play on you to see how far sensible you have become. All right? Doesn’t matter, it’s little bit my fault too. Now, smile it. It’s all right. Now everybody’s heart is catching. Now, don’t be silly, there is nothing serious. Ah, look at that! Now, better. You are better. By scolding, the bhoot has run away. You should be alert that’s the main point is. Why should you go out for shopping every time and you are catching? All right now. I feel sorry the way you people are not wise. Now, you have understood this or not? From this the next state of consciousness of Jiva, called – I hope you have not recorded My scolding [Shri Mataji laughs].Sahaja Yogi: This, I’ve done [unsure]Shri Mataji: All right. – where the Vishnu-Granthi is placed.You give her a bandhan all of you. Give yourself a bandhan. Finished. Just give her a bandhan. She’ll be all right. Every time she goes, she catches. [Shri Mataji laughs]. And where you have to go, you try to avoid. Ah! All right. It’s better? Now, don’t cry.[Hindi]So, beyond this is 'turiya state', where individual and cosmic consciousness unite.Now all this from 99 to 108 is Kundalini Yoga. You should remember these names by heart, it’s good idea. It’s not much from 99 to 108 how many they make?Sahaja Yogis: Nine names.Shri Mataji: None names, so, not difficult for you to know. And all the- they have given the chakras on this, you see. Now, nobody knows Hindi. She can read it.[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi]Shri Mataji give something to the Yogis: Give it to Linda. You all put it too, is good for all of you. Better put it. Just put it in your eyes and also smell a little bit of that, the badha will run away. [Shri Mataji laughs].Now, smell it, come along! See, if you have ladies as your disciples, at the slightest, they start crying, it’s the big problem. [Shri Mataji laughs]Sahaja Yogini: It’s my love for my child which makes me cry.Shri Mataji: Love for your?Sahaja Yogi: Child.Shri Mataji: Why? What’s the problem? Your child is perfectly all right. And he’s going to put you right and many other so don’t you worry. I put a solid stuff there. You don’t worry about your child. You’d better cry for yourself, not for him.All right. It’s correct? Now Now, read it. Read it, it’s not so difficult. And just the meaning of it. Keep it there.[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi] Ganesha puja. I think you’d better say about Ganesha, the mantra of Ganesha because of that, you see, this Vigana starts. Vigana is the [?] between you and the puja. You take the nae of Ganesha. Om twame wa sakshat shri Ganesha. All of you.[Twice]Shri Mataji: Again.Now, better? [Somebody reads the Names of Shri Lalita from the Lalita Sahasranama Stotra] 99 Mooladhara nilaya: She dwells in Muladhara Chakra as Kundalini Mahim Mooladhara.100 Brahma granthi vibhedini: She cuts the knot of Brahma. She helps the devotee to consciously transcend his wakeful state.101 Manipurantha rudita: After cutting the Brahma-Granthi Shri Lalita appears in Manipura to the devotee. Here the devotee feels the unreality of a wakeful state.102 Vishnu granthi vibhedini: She cuts the knot of Vishnu. If this is done, the devotees perceive the unreality of his individuality as body, mind and life. He loses their consciousness.103 Agnya chakranta-ralastha: She is inside the Agnya chakra at the junction of the eyebrows. Here the devotee loses most of the sense of individuality, which act is completed in the next name.104 Rudra granthi vibhedini: She cuts the knot of Rudra. Here after the Jiva loses his individual consciousness and becomes one with the cosmic consciousness Shiva in Sahasrara.105 Sahasrarambuja rudha: She is the essence of Sahasrara Chakra. She dwells there as Sakshi or Chitkala. In the liberated soul this is Moksha.106 Sudha sarabhi varshini: She reigns the quietness of the nectar. The devotee feels incomparable bliss in his state. Here culminates the Kundalini-Sadhana.107 Tatillata samaruchih: She is dwelling like a lightning. This is how She appears to devotes in the sadhana.108 Shad chakropari samsthita: She is above the six chakras.109 Mahashakti: Fond of the feast of her union with Shiva as She is his great power.110 Kundalini: She’s coiled like the serpent. She stays to assume three and half coils, the form in which Shri Lalita resides in each individual in the potential state.111 Bisa thanthu thaniyasi: As slender as the lotus’ stock.112 Bhavani: Queen of Bhava, Shiva. The one who gives life to samsara [or Bhavasagara] of Shiva, the universe.113 Bhavana gamya: Realized by the mental. Here, it may be dhyana.114 Bhavarani kudariga. [Cut in audio][Shri Mataji explains this name; inaudible] Verify through… how she acts. Like you have seen the flower, how it is formed. You have seen the movement of Kundalini; you have seen how it rises. All these things start making impression on your mind. [Inaudible] I mean it is not that nothing is happening if you cannot understand rationally [Inaudible]. So, by your rational conclusion, you reach the point. But this rationality can give you the knowledge, it’s not difficult, it’s very easy. So, that this knowledge is called as Dhyana. [Inaudible] There is a confusion, does not matter. Whatever it may be, "dhyana” means you are there, you are born [Inaudible]. But according to them, "dhyana” means mentally to understand the thing. Mentally you accept Me, mentally you accept but the heart you accept Me. When you accept Me with your heart, it’s even better. [Inaudible]. 115 Bhadra Priya: She loves to be benevolent.116 Bhadra murthy: She who is personification of benevolence117 Bhaktha sowbhAgnya dhayini: Her devotees get all good things and also the best, that is moksha118 Bhakthi priya: Fond of devotees.There are various forms of bhakti.119 Bhakthi gamya: She’s realised by devotion120 Bhakthi vasya: She gives the swarupa janana rasp of ultimate realityShri Mataji: Bhakthi gamya means she’s only knowledgeable through devotion. Gamya. [Inaudible]. We can only go into her through bhakti, there’s no other way.121 Bhayapaha: She dispels fear. Fear is the motive of many of our actions that obscure the vision of truth.Shri Mataji: She’s done [inaudible] that show that you are afraid, it’s very good. You always use: "I'm afraid, I'm afraid" What are you afraid of? [Inaudible].122 Sambhavya: Queen of Shambhu, the Shiva.123 Saradha radya: She is worshipped by Saradha.Shri Mataji: Saradha is the Sarasvati. Sarasvati herself worships her because she’s Mahashakti. 124 Sarvani: Queen of Sarvar that is Shiva.125 Sarmadhayini: Giver of happiness including divine bliss.126 Shankari: Queen of Shankara, that is the Shiva127 Srikari: Beneficent.128 Sadhwi: Inseparable from Lord ShivaShri Mataji: [Inaudible] In the left, Lalita, give you Realization, with the right, she can give benevolence.129 Sarat chandra nibhanana: Her face is beautiful like the full moon in "saradru" (autumn) [...]
4/21/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5968	What is Second Birth?	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	45	What is Second Birth? Caxton Hall, London, England. 21 April 1980. I again see today some new faces, who have come here, and I have to explain again today, for the first time to them, what is Sahaja Yog, which has been promised in various scriptures that you have to get your second birth. You have to be born again. It is said. Christ has said too, the same thing. But people have not been able to ponder on this subject: what is that mean – our second birth? Are we not already born as human beings? We are born but the human beings, which are born, are told that you are to be born again. Now what are we going to do? So they asked, “Are we to enter into our mothers’ womb again? Am I to be born again.” He said, “You’ll be born of the Holy Ghost, of the Holy Spirit.” The Holy Ghost that He talked about is the Kundalini within us. She is the part of the Holy Ghost, or you can say the reflection of the Holy Ghost, which exists as all-pervading power. Actually, the all-pervading power of divine love is the love of Holy Ghost or Her aura. This is reflected within us as the power of desire as shown in the picture in the triangular bone of sacrum and coils itself in three and a half rounds. This force, which is called residual force, is the desire of God which resides within us in a dormant way. We actually do not know what is the desire of God is. We have our own conclusions, our own conceptions, our own ideas that I am doing the work of God. But you are not yet connected with God, how can you do the work of God? There is no way of really establishing any actual rapport with God, and how can you say that you are related to God or you are doing the work of God? It’s all right that God is looking after you, He is managing you, He has given you this life – is correct. But there is no way of finding God in your conscious mind. It’s just your mental activity, maybe your Ego –which says, “I am God.” Some people say, “I like it!” But why do you like it? Because I think, I like it. Then, why, whatever you think is your own. It is not God’s, how do you say with such cock-sure attitude that you are connected with God? Then they will start discussing about it. They sit down and talk about it. Yesterday only we had a very funny visitor in Paris and he started it like a tape record and he just started telling Me what he thinks. But your thinking is your own imagination. There is no actual experience in it. There is no actuality. I said, “This is fanaticism.” When you start thinking about something and accept it as real, then it is fanaticism, of any kind. You can be a football fanatic. You think that a particular person must win. It becomes sort of your thinking. Then that person must win, if he does not win then you are going to kill everybody else. If you go a little further with it, you think that you are a great benevolent person. Then whatever you think, you feel that this is the thing that is going to bring benevolence to people. But what is the proof? That what you think is the thing wanted by God. All your thinking is based either on your conditioning, whatever you have read, if you are born a Christian all your thinking will be Christian thinking means church’s thinking, not God’s thinking. If you are a Hindu, you will think like a Hindu – of a temple or some sort of a Guru or somebody who has taught you something. If you are a Muslim you might become Khomeini – anything is possible! Are we going in the same direction with our thinking, or are we related to God? First, relationship with God must be established. That is extremely important before we talk of God because all our thinking is our conditioning or else our imagination. There are some people who met Me, they said they have met God. I said, “Really? How, how does He look like?” “Oh, I met Him on the street.” I said, “Very good.” And somebody says, “I am Christ.” Somebody says, “I am Krishna.” But what is the proof? I mean, supposing I say this is gold. Then gold has a density? You can find out whether it is gold or silver or something but you cannot just go on saying, “I think it is gold. So it becomes gold, can it? In the same way our faith, because we think we have a belief in it, is mythical – as far as you are concerned, as far as anybody else is concerned. Unless and until you give the proof of God, nobody is going to believe in God any further, I can tell you this much. And this is the reason another mythical stuff is coming up is that there is no God. This is another myth. Either to believe that you are connected with God is equally mythical as to say there is no God. Because if you have not met Him how do you say, there is not? There may be, may not be – is a better situation. Just to denounce Him that there is no God, is another myth. We some or other managed to live with a myth. It’s very comfortable to live with myth. It’s a comfortable life; we do not want to give up our comforts. As just now, I was telling someone that a little shell contains a little oyster in it. Now, the oyster doesn’t want to get out of the shell. It’s quite comfortable. And a little bit of a sand comes in and is said troubling the comfort of the oyster. So, oyster takes out his saliva goes round it, makes it softer, puts it there, curls up a little bit of its body and says, “Now I am comfortable, now I am very satisfied, it’s all right. The shell is the thing for me.” And that’s how we go on living with the shell, avoiding understanding that this shell is not the thing we are seeking. So, one has to get out of that comfortable feeling one has. If you have a house, very nice! I’ve got children, very nice! I’ve got a wife, I’ve got a car – it’s all right. I am very comfortable, I am very satisfied. But then, certain calamities come in. You are faced with them. Problems come in – and then you think, “I never waited for this, it was more sun expected.” There are another set of people, who think – who ‘think’, again! – that they have to search God. And that’s how they jump into sea. They jump into fire, they jump into water, they jump into all kinds of things without understanding what danger it entails. So one side we have a comfortably coiled-up an oyster and another is a oyster which is burnt up, which is either drowned or something. So what should a human being do? He should be comfortable, but all the time he should think that, “I have not yet met God, I must meet. I have to watch and see. I have to understand.” Oyster in the shell is better sometimes than the oyster, which is completely fried out. But the oyster in the shell will die its own death. But there is a possibility about the oyster which has come out that he might meet something. Because he is a seeker God also looks after him, God also wants to help. If he could listen to his own unconscious, he could work it out. Sahaja Yoga is not a new thing. Sahaja means ‘spontaneous’. Everything that happens in life is spontaneous. From amoeba to this state, you have come spontaneously, sahaja – born with you. It is within you! Gradually, as a seed sprouts into a flower and then the fragrance starts emitting out from the flower, in the same way it is all built in you. You don’t have to go anywhere, it is between your own thinking and your desiring it resides. You desire something and you don’t think about it – that is the best way you can do it. We have two capacities within us, one is to desire. With this left side, the deep blue coloured channel within us, we desire. It manifests outside as left sympathetic nervous system, which is our emotional side, which is responsible for collecting all our past, all our experiences, all our conditioning. This is the psyche about which the psychologists are worried. So we desire. And the right side one, the yellow coloured line represents the power by which we maintain our physical being and ultimately we start thinking. Between these two resides the power of our evolution. So we have left side and right side sympathetic nervous system, manifested in the gross, and in the center is the parasympathetic. Parasympathetic is a system which shows how much we have evolved so far. How much we have achieved so far up to human level. Only human beings think that they have to achieve God, not animals. They have reached that state that they think that they have to achieve God, they desire that they have to achieve God. There is a gap between their achievement and there is the desire. This is to be crossed. But their desire cannot work it out, only their desire can call for the help from God, and the God’s desire is within you in this triangular bone lying dormant. This God’s desire is called as Kundalini. That God’s desire has to rise within you, and it is He who has to give you the second birth or you can say that the She, the Mother, has to give you the second birth. This is the Holy Ghost about which Christ could not talk to those mad people who really crucified Him. They were mad that they thought that Christ was blasphemous. Just think of it! And today we have churches and people, and this and that. When He lived nobody accepted Him, nobody recognized Him. When He came, they talked of Moses, Abraham. It is very nice to handle Christ, better talk about them, so that we don’t have to face reality. Because if they had recognized Christ, then Christ would have said, “All right, if you are recognizing Me, then get your Realization and understand yourself.” They where not prepared for this. Only twelve people somehow – you see – managed to be there, somehow. They would not accept Him either. Till He was resurrected then they accepted Him, in a way. And then, what are you going to do but to create a myth around it. And to say that, “Of course, we believed in Christ.” Now what, which Christ did you believe in? Because that Christ, whom you had to face, you did not face. And now you live in imaginary world, you have your own paradise about it. Where does He live within us? Has He created any position within us? Is there any meaning to His life, which has left a permanent mark within us? Was He even one of the mile-stones within us? If so – where does He reside within us? How can we be connected to Him? Nobody made any exploration about it. Again the comfortable shell started. It has happened not once, thousands of years it has been happening, whenever an Incarnation came on this earth that’s how they behaved. When Rama came they said, “We believe in Parashurama”, when Krishna came they said, “We believe in Rama”. Same thing with Christ, with everyone. But you better now recognize and know yourself, and face it once for all, the time has come. How long are you going to live with your myths? The time has come. It has nothing to do with East, West or North and South. Most amazing is that in the West people are afraid that this is Eastern knowledge. The other day only one lady who is a realized soul, her son is a realized soul – they said their teacher was very anxious about my son. Because he said, “Why are you giving this Eastern knowledge to him?” How can it be Eastern? It is universal knowledge. I said, “Why don’t you go and ask the teacher that was Christ born in England or in America? His cross is even, you can find it on the airport of London. Because I think that Christ was an Englishman. So it’s all right, he has to – poor thing – has to become an Englishman. What to do? His knowledge cannot be limited to Indians or to English or to anyone. It is God’s knowledge, it is for anyone of you, it is your right to know it. All of you have got Kundalini. You can see with your naked eyes its pulsation; you can see its rising. You can see its piercing through, you can feel it it throbbing here. You can see the piercing. You can see, when it pierces through, how you become actually collectively conscious – you do become. It’s a fact! And how can you avoid fact? And why should you avoid? Because reality is so beautiful, why should we be afraid of facing reality which is so beautiful? There was a gentleman in Paris who got his Realization and two days he was just laughing out of joy. and he said, “I’ve never laughed all my life as I have laughed now” – and just out of joy he was laughing; is so joyous. He said, “Mother let me laugh now and enjoy myself, I’m willing [??].” Actually he told Me that he never believed in God, to begin with. He thought he was a very rational being. I said, rational beings are still half because they are dealing with something so limited, is rationality. We have to cross these barriers of rationality, and something is already within you, God has placed within you, because it is His desire that you should know Him, that His power should flow through you and that you should be the citizen of His kingdom, that He is your generous Father and He has made all these arrangements for you. Now, 75% people sitting here are Realized souls. I’m so very happy, because I struggled with six of them for four years. It is such a remarkable thing but it is very, very hard for people to believe that you have to get an experience of God, you have to feel Him within yourself. As an actualisation, you have to feel Him in your conscious mind. Because if religion gets organized you also get believes organized. Then, whatever they say becomes perfect. Blind leading the blind. You cannot organize God, you cannot. He will organize. You cannot conceive Him – He has to conceive you. His graze must come on you; you have to ask for His graze. He has already placed His desire within you. And this desire resides as Kundalini. You have heard so much about Kundalini before also, I believe. Maybe you must have read some horrible books, which are shown, to Me, that this Kundalini gives you jerks, and you start jumping and you start making noises and things like that. At the very outset, I must tell you that it is a desire of God, which is your Mother. And this Mother is your own Mother. You do not have any other Mother but this Mother and She does not have any child but you. Do you think such a Mother who has been waiting to give you this rebirth would be in any way troublesome to you? Even your physical mother bore all the pains upon herself to give you birth. Then why should this Mother try to trouble you? Then people asked Me, “Then how did these people talk of these things?” I mean you can talk of anything if you want to befool people. If you want to befool people, can’t you? I mean, if you indulge into such a thing you can. You can get possessed by somebody also, that you start writing all these nonsensical things. So many mythical things have been written - apart from that, those who write that Kundalini gives you jerks and all that maybe the people who were something like villagers coming and touching the electricity at a wrong point and getting a shock and maligning the electricity, maybe the unauthorized people who did not know anything about Kundalini. For Kundalini can only be awakened by an authorised person who is authorised by God, not by theological college or by any Pandit or by any ayurved school or anything. Christ never went to any theological college. It cannot be done by any such person who says he will read books and raise the Kundalini. It’s not the mechanism that works out that way. You cannot even sprout a seed by reading, can you? You have done nothing living by reading. How can you raise Kundalini by reading? This is in your every day-to-day life we really lack sometimes common sense. We go and read something, we think by reading something we are going to go to God, or we then sit down and discuss about it. You cannot do anything by this reading, which is just a dead thing! All your arguments, everything is dead. It is not yet enlightened; otherwise every word could be living. That’s the Mantra. The word that is living is the Mantra. These holy words, is spoken by a person who is not enlightened, has no meaning at all. If it is spoken by a person who is enlightened – because enlightenment means he is related to God, and he can address to God, like you get connected. All right, if it is done, done, nothing to worry. Nothing to feel bad, if some people have been very fanatically involved into it, it doesn’t matter. Makes no difference at all today, I feel. All kinds of things, whatever are done are done in the past, finished. We have to get our Realization. We have to actualise ourselves. This is the main point. We are seeking ourselves. Unless and until you realize yourself you don’t have to even believe in Me – but you should not deny Me. I would not like anybody to believe in Me blindly because blind people cannot get it. But you should not be also closed because closed people also cannot get it. When you get it then you must believe – that is what is called as Shraddha. In Sanskrit-language there are two things are – one is blind faith and another is Shraddha, that is faith, pure faith. But in English we have to use an adjective, that blind faith and faith. But people are so confused that they forget the adjective of blind, and they think my faith is. If your faith is that, one has to accept it. But your faith should be such that is based on the truth. Then you become an enlightened person. After all God has made us into human beings, He has given us this nose, eyes, everything. We have done nothing about it. And if He has made us for a purpose, He is going to connect us, He is going to do it. It’s His job. If He does not do it, He will have no meaning, His creation will have no meaning. It is His job! And decides that somebody else wants to do it for you, why should you worry? Once you get it, you can do it, too. Like one light enlightened can enlighten another light, you can do it. Today I wanted to talk a little bit because 75 % are Sahaja Yogis, who are Realized souls and who know Sahaja Yoga, they have given Realization to so many, they have cured people, and I mean they are just there. And I am very happy that in Paris there was so many of them achieved their Nirvikalpa which is we called as the doubtless awareness.The first state is the thoughtless awareness. Awareness means enlightened awareness you can say, Samathi is the one where your awareness becomes enlighterened. The first state is of thoughtless awareness. And then you jump into your Realization, but still the state is not established. You mature then as doubtless awareness, and this doubtless awareness is a state, is not a thing. “Now I have no doubts about Sahaja Yoga”, that’s not the way. It’s a state where the rhythm of these vibrations, or the rhythm of these radiations achieve a certain depth and a rhythm which then you yourself start seeing that these doubts are something separate and you build up your own reserve against them. It’s not mental state, it is the state of the being. You can say a seed becoming a fruit and maturing, or you can say a flower becoming a fruit and then the fruit maturing. In this way, first you get your Self-Realization and you get your thoughtless-awareness. And then you get your doubtless awareness. But people who are not complicated so much, uncomplicated people, simple people with proper life, not extremist, not crazy about anything, such simple people can get doubtless awareness at the first shot. They get both things together. We have many people like that but because in the West we have had too much of rambling in our thinking we go a little round about way. We get our realization, after realization we start verifying it. Mother has said all right, these vibrations, let me try and then let me see the Kundalini rises and let me see the Mantras, what She has said about the deities whether it’s correct or not, whether these Chakras are all right or not you start verifying it through your brain, you go round and round and round. That’s why the first thing you get is your attention gets enlightened. You put your attention to someone and you know about that person on your fingers, you can feel their centers and then you know through decoding what centers … – Supposing somebody is having a heart-attack or something, you can feel it on this finger a heat or a kind of a spasm sometimes and sometimes numbness. If a person is going to die, you feel numbness in all your fingers. There are many things which decode it. Apart from physical, you have got also emotional problems which can be found out. The left side suggest the emotional problem and the right side the physical and the mental problem. If a person is egoistical, if his ego is hurt, anyway if there is a problem with his ego, somehow or other, in any way then you get this finger catching very much. But after getting Realization you don’t feel bad, if somebody says, “Mother, my Agnya here is catching”. All right, you say it, you don’t feel bad about it. You say, “All right, clear it out!” This center is that of Christ. Even many people who call themselves Christians have the same Agnya as the Jews have and as the Muslims have. One because they are unauthorized, that’s why Christ is angry, another because they are criticizing Christ. Both ways is just the same. Christ wants, or anyone of them, they want that you should realize them, you should feel them, you should know them. Today specially for the Sahaja Yogis I wanted to discuss the right side very much because so far, we have not dealt with it very much. Normally, we got people who were on the left side, on the emotional problem. The right side is called also as prana shakti, means the vital power of life. And the left side is called as mana shakti. Now, this prana shakti, which is on the right-hand side, the prana shakti within us comes to us through five elements. The five elements are, as you know, is, one of them is the earth, then we have got the water, then we have got the air, then we have got the light, and then we have got the ether. These five elements are there. Out of these five elements our body is made. These five elements create five cacoons around us. And that’s how we have got five auras within us. These five auras can be detected by some machines because these machines are able to detect only the right side as they deal with matter. The whole of the matter is created by these five energies and they have also a causal energy behind it. And these causal energies actually make that. For example: the causal energy of earth is fragrance. From the fragrance earth is created. Now, within us all these five centers that you see these are, these five up to here, are made of five elements. The body of those centres are made of – only the body-part, I am saying – of those five elements. And the Deities residing in those centers are also born from those five elements. Because they were born of a particular element, they concentrated more on that and maintained the knowledge more limited to that area, which dealt with that particular element. For example, we can say the green thing is the one that represents the water, water element. This center in the stomach is the water element within us. It is called as Nabhi Chakra and around it is called as the Bhavasaghara - you can say the Void, or you can say the Gap, or whatever you may say, the whole world as such, within us. So the people who were born on this center, around this center, were born out of water element. In this Bhavasaghra, Bhavasaghra means the ocean of this world were born through this ocean of the world were born all the primordial masters one after another, we can say Abraham, Moses, we had Janaka, were Adi Nath and Socrates and so many others like that Nanaka and also very recently we had about hundred years back a very great saint born in India known as Sainath. They all represent the same element that is the water element, be responsible or being born out of that they are anxious to maintain water element as the one which is within us for sustaining ourselves. We are sustained by water so they help us to sustain ourselves. They are the sustainers, tell us how to sustain us as a human being. And all of them have tried to establish religion within us. A religion doesn’t mean outside, but the religion as a man means the capacity of a man or you can say, the quality of a man. What a human being should be like, what is the way to know if he is a human being or not – which is described in the Ten Commandments. Now the way they have said it is all misinterpreted and all wrong things have come. But one thing is definite, that they have never talked of fanaticism. They are against fanaticism. They are against alcoholism because alcohol spoils the water element very much. If you see the effect of alcohol on water in the blood of human beings you will be amazed how the neutral position of hydrogen and oxygen only time is absolutely imbalanced by alcohol. And water cannot absorb any heat from the liver, which sorts out all your poisons. And that’s how people get bad livers, bad troubles, and then people would say, “What’s wrong?” There is nothing wrong as such because even nothing wrong in that. “What’s wrong according to theory of wrong and right of human beings, I think nothing is wrong. You can kill yourself. You can jump from anything. You can do whatever you like. There is nothing wrong. If you break this, if you break that, if you break anybody, do anything, there is nothing wrong what’s wrong with it. But there is fundamentally wrong is that you are created for a purpose. You have not created yourself. God has created you with such difficulty. He has taken you out of so many evolutionary processes and brought you to this stage and now you have no business to kill yourself and destroy yourself. This is wrong is that you are destroying yourself, you are destroying your community, you are destroying others and you are destroying yourself. If you are destroying yourself also because you are on your own you think what’s wrong. You are a part and parcel of the whole. You are a cell in the whole and being created to know the whole and if you destroy yourself you are destroying the whole as well. You become malignant. You become cancerous and that’s why it’s all wrong. In anyway if you destroy others or destroy yourself you have no right to do that. God has given you freedom, no doubt. By creating ego and superego within yourself with these activities, you become separated from the whole. And then you think you are Mr such and such. And then you stand and say “I believe in this, I believe in, actually who are you? You are made by God. You are His own child. Still you are a child. It’s like a baby saying “I believe in it, I believe in it.” You have not known the whole so far. How can you say that? You have to grow! And when you grow, your freedom is complete, absolute. But the ideas about this freedom are such that you are fighting your own innocence, you are fighting your own sustenance. And this sustenance was completely supported, protected by these great incarnations of Primordial Masters. That’s why they talked against alcohol. Christ did not talk about alcohol, all right – because He was at another point. But He did not say that you take alcohols, never. People said that He drank wine but wine means grape juice in that country, it doesn’t mean alcohol. How can Christ say, you drink wine, which is fermented, which will go against your awareness? Just think of it! It goes against your awareness, isn’t it? Your awareness is to be enlightened, He came on this earth to enlighten that awareness, do you think He will say that you get foggy with it? Does it not fog your attention and your awareness, is a fact. But He wants to do something else because He came as divine power itself. He was the embodiment of Pranava – not Prana – all powers put together. He was the embodiment of OM itself, the Brahma. That’s why He came to prove what Krishna has said, that it cannot be killed by anyone. It cannot be blown off, it cannot be destroyed. His body was made out of that, and that’s why He could be resurrected. All these things are knowledgeable only if you are a realized soul, otherwise you cannot understand this. Because you have not yet gone into the depth of your own understanding, you are still children as I say, you have to be born again, and then you can find out for these vibrations. You have to ask just a question, “Was Christ embodied with Pranava, or the OM, or the Brahma? Or was He made of Brahma itself?” You will get the cool breeze in the hand – and that is the sign that He was. It is much deeper but the whole knowledge exists as experience to you. The whole of it, it is an experience within us. And one has to get that experience of oneself, which is knowledge itself – and then everything trickles down just like actual thing within us, as we see white as white and red as red. Animals do not see, perhaps, but human beings do see. Thus, our awareness is enlightened. I will be talking to other Sahaja Yogis in the Ashram about the right side later on because we have new people, and they are to be looked after. And I think, next time when I meet, I don’t know when, maybe. [DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DATE OF THE NEXT PROGRAM] So just now, let’s have the experience for the new ones, and for the others also to deepen themselves. May God bless you! All of you should put your hands just like this, before Me, and close your eyes, just close your eyes! Put the hands like this, and just close your eyes. You have to close your eyes because the Kundalini, when She rises on the Agnya Chakra the dilatation of the pupil takes place. And if your eyes are open the dilatation doesn’t take place. When people mesmerize they keep your eyes open because they put you on the sides. I will tell one day how they mesmerize, also.	null	null	null	What is Second Birth? Caxton Hall, London, England. 21 April 1980. I again see today some new faces, who have come here, and I have to explain again today, for the first time to them, what is Sahaja Yog, which has been promised in various scriptures that you have to get your second birth. You have to be born again. It is said. Christ has said too, the same thing. But people have not been able to ponder on this subject: what is that mean – our second birth? Are we not already born as human beings? We are born but the human beings, which are born, are told that you are to be born again. Now what are we going to do? So they asked, “Are we to enter into our mothers’ womb again? Am I to be born again.” He said, “You’ll be born of the Holy Ghost, of the Holy Spirit.” The Holy Ghost that He talked about is the Kundalini within us. She is the part of the Holy Ghost, or you can say the reflection of the Holy Ghost, which exists as all-pervading power. Actually, the all-pervading power of divine love is the love of Holy Ghost or Her aura. This is reflected within us as the power of desire as shown in the picture in the triangular bone of sacrum and coils itself in three and a half rounds. This force, which is called residual force, is the desire of God which resides within us in a dormant way. We actually do not know what is the desire of God is. We have our own conclusions, our own conceptions, our own ideas that I am doing the work of God. But you are not yet connected with God, how can you do the work of God? There is no way of really establishing any actual rapport with God, and how can you say that you are related to God or you are doing the work of God? It’s all right that God is looking after you, He is managing you, He has given you this life – is correct. But there is no way of finding God in your conscious mind. It’s just your mental activity, maybe your Ego –which says, “I am God.” Some people say, “I like it!” But why do you like it? Because I think, I like it. Then, why, whatever you think is your own. It is not God’s, how do you say with such cock-sure attitude that you are connected with God? Then they will start discussing about it. They sit down and talk about it. Yesterday only we had a very funny visitor in Paris and he started it like a tape record and he just started telling Me what he thinks. But your thinking is your own imagination. There is no actual experience in it. There is no actuality. I said, “This is fanaticism.” When you start thinking about something and accept it as real, then it is fanaticism, of any kind. You can be a football fanatic. You think that a particular person must win. It becomes sort of your thinking. Then that person must win, if he does not win then you are going to kill everybody else. If you go a little further with it, you think that you are a great benevolent person. Then whatever you think, you feel that this is the thing that is going to bring benevolence to people. But what is the proof? That what you think is the thing wanted by God. All your thinking is based either on your conditioning, whatever you have read, if you are born a Christian all your thinking will be Christian thinking means church’s thinking, not God’s thinking. If you are a Hindu, you will think like a Hindu – of a temple or some sort of a Guru or somebody who has taught you something. If you are a Muslim you might become Khomeini – anything is possible! Are we going in the same direction with our thinking, or are we related to God? First, relationship with God must be established. That is extremely important before we talk of God because all our thinking is our conditioning or else our imagination. There are some people who met Me, they said they have met God. I said, “Really? How, how does He look like?” “Oh, I met Him on the street.” I said, “Very good.” And somebody says, “I am Christ.” Somebody says, “I am Krishna.” But what is the proof? I mean, supposing I say this is gold. Then gold has a density? You can find out whether it is gold or silver or something but you cannot just go on saying, “I think it is gold. So it becomes gold, can it? In the same way our faith, because we think we have a belief in it, is mythical – as far as you are concerned, as far as anybody else is concerned. Unless and until you give the proof of God, nobody is going to believe in God any further, I can tell you this much. And this is the reason another mythical stuff is coming up is that there is no God. This is another myth. Either to believe that you are connected with God is equally mythical as to say there is no God. Because if you have not met Him how do you say, there is not? There may be, may not be – is a better situation. Just to denounce Him that there is no God, is another myth. We some or other managed to live with a myth. It’s very comfortable to live with myth. It’s a comfortable life; we do not want to give up our comforts. As just now, I was telling someone that a little shell contains a little oyster in it. Now, the oyster doesn’t want to get out of the shell. It’s quite comfortable. And a little bit of a sand comes in and is said troubling the comfort of the oyster. So, oyster takes out his saliva goes round it, makes it softer, puts it there, curls up a little bit of its body and says, “Now I am comfortable, now I am very satisfied, it’s all right. The shell is the thing for me.” And that’s how we go on living with the shell, avoiding understanding that this shell is not the thing we are seeking. So, one has to get out of that comfortable feeling one has. If you have a house, very nice! I’ve got children, very nice! I’ve got a wife, I’ve got a car – it’s all right. I am very comfortable, I am very satisfied. But then, certain calamities come in. You are faced with them. Problems come in – and then you think, “I never waited for this, it was more sun expected.” There are another set of people, who think – who ‘think’, again! – that they have to search God. And that’s how they jump into sea. They jump into fire, they jump into water, they jump into all kinds of things without understanding what danger it entails. So one side we have a comfortably coiled-up an oyster and another is a oyster which is burnt up, which is either drowned or something. So what should a human being do? He should be comfortable, but all the time he should think that, “I have not yet met God, I must meet. I have to watch and see. I have to understand.” Oyster in the shell is better sometimes than the oyster, which is completely fried out. But the oyster in the shell will die its own death. But there is a possibility about the oyster which has come out that he might meet something. Because he is a seeker God also looks after him, God also wants to help. If he could listen to his own unconscious, he could work it out. Sahaja Yoga is not a new thing. Sahaja means ‘spontaneous’. Everything that happens in life is spontaneous. From amoeba to this state, you have come spontaneously, sahaja – born with you. It is within you! Gradually, as a seed sprouts into a flower and then the fragrance starts emitting out from the flower, in the same way it is all built in you. You don’t have to go anywhere, it is between your own thinking and your desiring it resides. You desire something and you don’t think about it – that is the best way you can do it. We have two capacities within us, one is to desire. With this left side, the deep blue coloured channel within us, we desire. It manifests outside as left sympathetic nervous system, which is our emotional side, which is responsible for collecting all our past, all our experiences, all our conditioning. This is the psyche about which the psychologists are worried. So we desire. And the right side one, the yellow coloured line represents the power by which we maintain our physical being and ultimately we start thinking. Between these two resides the power of our evolution. So we have left side and right side sympathetic nervous system, manifested in the gross, and in the center is the parasympathetic. Parasympathetic is a system which shows how much we have evolved so far. How much we have achieved so far up to human level. Only human beings think that they have to achieve God, not animals. They have reached that state that they think that they have to achieve God, they desire that they have to achieve God. There is a gap between their achievement and there is the desire. This is to be crossed. But their desire cannot work it out, only their desire can call for the help from God, and the God’s desire is within you in this triangular bone lying dormant. This God’s desire is called as Kundalini. That God’s desire has to rise within you, and it is He who has to give you the second birth or you can say that the She, the Mother, has to give you the second birth. This is the Holy Ghost about which Christ could not talk to those mad people who really crucified Him. They were mad that they thought that Christ was blasphemous. Just think of it! And today we have churches and people, and this and that. When He lived nobody accepted Him, nobody recognized Him. When He came, they talked of Moses, Abraham. It is very nice to handle Christ, better talk about them, so that we don’t have to face reality. Because if they had recognized Christ, then Christ would have said, “All right, if you are recognizing Me, then get your Realization and understand yourself.” They where not prepared for this. Only twelve people somehow – you see – managed to be there, somehow. They would not accept Him either. Till He was resurrected then they accepted Him, in a way. And then, what are you going to do but to create a myth around it. And to say that, “Of course, we believed in Christ.” Now what, which Christ did you believe in? Because that Christ, whom you had to face, you did not face. And now you live in imaginary world, you have your own paradise about it. Where does He live within us? Has He created any position within us? Is there any meaning to His life, which has left a permanent mark within us? Was He even one of the mile-stones within us? If so – where does He reside within us? How can we be connected to Him? Nobody made any exploration about it. Again the comfortable shell started. It has happened not once, thousands of years it has been happening, whenever an Incarnation came on this earth that’s how they behaved. When Rama came they said, “We believe in Parashurama”, when Krishna came they said, “We believe in Rama”. Same thing with Christ, with everyone. But you better now recognize and know yourself, and face it once for all, the time has come. How long are you going to live with your myths? The time has come. It has nothing to do with East, West or North and South. Most amazing is that in the West people are afraid that this is Eastern knowledge. The other day only one lady who is a realized soul, her son is a realized soul – they said their teacher was very anxious about my son. Because he said, “Why are you giving this Eastern knowledge to him?” How can it be Eastern? It is universal knowledge. I said, “Why don’t you go and ask the teacher that was Christ born in England or in America? His cross is even, you can find it on the airport of London. Because I think that Christ was an Englishman. So it’s all right, he has to – poor thing – has to become an Englishman. What to do? His knowledge cannot be limited to Indians or to English or to anyone. It is God’s knowledge, it is for anyone of you, it is your right to know it. All of you have got Kundalini. You can see with your naked eyes its pulsation; you can see its rising. You can see its piercing through, you can feel it it throbbing here. You can see the piercing. You can see, when it pierces through, how you become actually collectively conscious – you do become. It’s a fact! And how can you avoid fact? And why should you avoid? Because reality is so beautiful, why should we be afraid of facing reality which is so beautiful? There was a gentleman in Paris who got his Realization and two days he was just laughing out of joy. and he said, “I’ve never laughed all my life as I have laughed now” – and just out of joy he was laughing; is so joyous. He said, “Mother let me laugh now and enjoy myself, I’m willing [??].” Actually he told Me that he never believed in God, to begin with. He thought he was a very rational being. I said, rational beings are still half because they are dealing with something so limited, is rationality. We have to cross these barriers of rationality, and something is already within you, God has placed within you, because it is His desire that you should know Him, that His power should flow through you and that you should be the citizen of His kingdom, that He is your generous Father and He has made all these arrangements for you. Now, 75% people sitting here are Realized souls. I’m so very happy, because I struggled with six of them for four years. It is such a remarkable thing but it is very, very hard for people to believe that you have to get an experience of God, you have to feel Him within yourself. As an actualisation, you have to feel Him in your conscious mind. Because if religion gets organized you also get believes organized. Then, whatever they say becomes perfect. Blind leading the blind. You cannot organize God, you cannot. He will organize. You cannot conceive Him – He has to conceive you. His graze must come on you; you have to ask for His graze. He has already placed His desire within you. And this desire resides as Kundalini. You have heard so much about Kundalini before also, I believe. Maybe you must have read some horrible books, which are shown, to Me, that this Kundalini gives you jerks, and you start jumping and you start making noises and things like that. At the very outset, I must tell you that it is a desire of God, which is your Mother. And this Mother is your own Mother. You do not have any other Mother but this Mother and She does not have any child but you. Do you think such a Mother who has been waiting to give you this rebirth would be in any way troublesome to you? Even your physical mother bore all the pains upon herself to give you birth. Then why should this Mother try to trouble you? Then people asked Me, “Then how did these people talk of these things?” I mean you can talk of anything if you want to befool people. If you want to befool people, can’t you? I mean, if you indulge into such a thing you can. You can get possessed by somebody also, that you start writing all these nonsensical things. So many mythical things have been written - apart from that, those who write that Kundalini gives you jerks and all that maybe the people who were something like villagers coming and touching the electricity at a wrong point and getting a shock and maligning the electricity, maybe the unauthorized people who did not know anything about Kundalini. For Kundalini can only be awakened by an authorised person who is authorised by God, not by theological college or by any Pandit or by any ayurved school or anything. Christ never went to any theological college. It cannot be done by any such person who says he will read books and raise the Kundalini. It’s not the mechanism that works out that way. You cannot even sprout a seed by reading, can you? You have done nothing living by reading. How can you raise Kundalini by reading? This is in your every day-to-day life we really lack sometimes common sense. We go and read something, we think by reading something we are going to go to God, or we then sit down and discuss about it. You cannot do anything by this reading, which is just a dead thing! All your arguments, everything is dead. It is not yet enlightened; otherwise every word could be living. That’s the Mantra. The word that is living is the Mantra. These holy words, is spoken by a person who is not enlightened, has no meaning at all. If it is spoken by a person who is enlightened – because enlightenment means he is related to God, and he can address to God, like you get connected. All right, if it is done, done, nothing to worry. Nothing to feel bad, if some people have been very fanatically involved into it, it doesn’t matter. Makes no difference at all today, I feel. All kinds of things, whatever are done are done in the past, finished. We have to get our Realization. We have to actualise ourselves. This is the main point. We are seeking ourselves. Unless and until you realize yourself you don’t have to even believe in Me – but you should not deny Me. I would not like anybody to believe in Me blindly because blind people cannot get it. But you should not be also closed because closed people also cannot get it. When you get it then you must believe – that is what is called as Shraddha. In Sanskrit-language there are two things are – one is blind faith and another is Shraddha, that is faith, pure faith. But in English we have to use an adjective, that blind faith and faith. But people are so confused that they forget the adjective of blind, and they think my faith is. If your faith is that, one has to accept it. But your faith should be such that is based on the truth. Then you become an enlightened person. After all God has made us into human beings, He has given us this nose, eyes, everything. We have done nothing about it. And if He has made us for a purpose, He is going to connect us, He is going to do it. It’s His job. If He does not do it, He will have no meaning, His creation will have no meaning. It is His job! And decides that somebody else wants to do it for you, why should you worry? Once you get it, you can do it, too. Like one light enlightened can enlighten another light, you can do it. Today I wanted to talk a little bit because 75 % are Sahaja Yogis, who are Realized souls and who know Sahaja Yoga, they have given Realization to so many, they have cured people, and I mean they are just there. And I am very happy that in Paris there was so many of them achieved their Nirvikalpa which is we called as the doubtless awareness.The first state is the thoughtless awareness. Awareness means enlightened awareness you can say, Samathi is the one where your awareness becomes enlighterened. The first state is of thoughtless awareness. And then you jump into your Realization, but still the state is not established. You mature then as doubtless awareness, and this doubtless awareness is a state, is not a thing. “Now I have no doubts about Sahaja Yoga”, that’s not the way. It’s a state where the rhythm of these vibrations, or the rhythm of these radiations achieve a certain depth and a rhythm which then you yourself start seeing that these doubts are something separate and you build up your own reserve against them. It’s not mental state, it is the state of the being. You can say a seed becoming a fruit and maturing, or you can say a flower becoming a fruit and then the fruit maturing. In this way, first you get your Self-Realization and you get your thoughtless-awareness. And then you get your doubtless awareness. But people who are not complicated so much, uncomplicated people, simple people with proper life, not extremist, not crazy about anything, such simple people can get doubtless awareness at the first shot. They get both things together. We have many people like that but because in the West we have had too much of rambling in our thinking we go a little round about way. We get our realization, after realization we start verifying it. Mother has said all right, these vibrations, let me try and then let me see the Kundalini rises and let me see the Mantras, what She has said about the deities whether it’s correct or not, whether these Chakras are all right or not you start verifying it through your brain, you go round and round and round. That’s why the first thing you get is your attention gets enlightened. You put your attention to someone and you know about that person on your fingers, you can feel their centers and then you know through decoding what centers … – Supposing somebody is having a heart-attack or something, you can feel it on this finger a heat or a kind of a spasm sometimes and sometimes numbness. If a person is going to die, you feel numbness in all your fingers. There are many things which decode it. Apart from physical, you have got also emotional problems which can be found out. The left side suggest the emotional problem and the right side the physical and the mental problem. If a person is egoistical, if his ego is hurt, anyway if there is a problem with his ego, somehow or other, in any way then you get this finger catching very much. But after getting Realization you don’t feel bad, if somebody says, “Mother, my Agnya here is catching”. All right, you say it, you don’t feel bad about it. You say, “All right, clear it out!” This center is that of Christ. Even many people who call themselves Christians have the same Agnya as the Jews have and as the Muslims have. One because they are unauthorized, that’s why Christ is angry, another because they are criticizing Christ. Both ways is just the same. Christ wants, or anyone of them, they want that you should realize them, you should feel them, you should know them. Today specially for the Sahaja Yogis I wanted to discuss the right side very much because so far, we have not dealt with it very much. Normally, we got people who were on the left side, on the emotional problem. The right side is called also as prana shakti, means the vital power of life. And the left side is called as mana shakti. Now, this prana shakti, which is on the right-hand side, the prana shakti within us comes to us through five elements. The five elements are, as you know, is, one of them is the earth, then we have got the water, then we have got the air, then we have got the light, and then we have got the ether. These five elements are there. Out of these five elements our body is made. These five elements create five cacoons around us. And that’s how we have got five auras within us. These five auras can be detected by some machines because these machines are able to detect only the right side as they deal with matter. The whole of the matter is created by these five energies and they have also a causal energy behind it. And these causal energies actually make that. For example: the causal energy of earth is fragrance. From the fragrance earth is created. Now, within us all these five centers that you see these are, these five up to here, are made of five elements. The body of those centres are made of – only the body-part, I am saying – of those five elements. And the Deities residing in those centers are also born from those five elements. Because they were born of a particular element, they concentrated more on that and maintained the knowledge more limited to that area, which dealt with that particular element. For example, we can say the green thing is the one that represents the water, water element. This center in the stomach is the water element within us. It is called as Nabhi Chakra and around it is called as the Bhavasaghara - you can say the Void, or you can say the Gap, or whatever you may say, the whole world as such, within us. So the people who were born on this center, around this center, were born out of water element. In this Bhavasaghra, Bhavasaghra means the ocean of this world were born through this ocean of the world were born all the primordial masters one after another, we can say Abraham, Moses, we had Janaka, were Adi Nath and Socrates and so many others like that Nanaka and also very recently we had about hundred years back a very great saint born in India known as Sainath. They all represent the same element that is the water element, be responsible or being born out of that they are anxious to maintain water element as the one which is within us for sustaining ourselves. We are sustained by water so they help us to sustain ourselves. They are the sustainers, tell us how to sustain us as a human being. And all of them have tried to establish religion within us. A religion doesn’t mean outside, but the religion as a man means the capacity of a man or you can say, the quality of a man. What a human being should be like, what is the way to know if he is a human being or not – which is described in the Ten Commandments. Now the way they have said it is all misinterpreted and all wrong things have come. But one thing is definite, that they have never talked of fanaticism. They are against fanaticism. They are against alcoholism because alcohol spoils the water element very much. If you see the effect of alcohol on water in the blood of human beings you will be amazed how the neutral position of hydrogen and oxygen only time is absolutely imbalanced by alcohol. And water cannot absorb any heat from the liver, which sorts out all your poisons. And that’s how people get bad livers, bad troubles, and then people would say, “What’s wrong?” There is nothing wrong as such because even nothing wrong in that. “What’s wrong according to theory of wrong and right of human beings, I think nothing is wrong. You can kill yourself. You can jump from anything. You can do whatever you like. There is nothing wrong. If you break this, if you break that, if you break anybody, do anything, there is nothing wrong what’s wrong with it. But there is fundamentally wrong is that you are created for a purpose. You have not created yourself. God has created you with such difficulty. He has taken you out of so many evolutionary processes and brought you to this stage and now you have no business to kill yourself and destroy yourself. This is wrong is that you are destroying yourself, you are destroying your community, you are destroying others and you are destroying yourself. If you are destroying yourself also because you are on your own you think what’s wrong. You are a part and parcel of the whole. You are a cell in the whole and being created to know the whole and if you destroy yourself you are destroying the whole as well. You become malignant. You become cancerous and that’s why it’s all wrong. In anyway if you destroy others or destroy yourself you have no right to do that. God has given you freedom, no doubt. By creating ego and superego within yourself with these activities, you become separated from the whole. And then you think you are Mr such and such. And then you stand and say “I believe in this, I believe in, actually who are you? You are made by God. You are His own child. Still you are a child. It’s like a baby saying “I believe in it, I believe in it.” You have not known the whole so far. How can you say that? You have to grow! And when you grow, your freedom is complete, absolute. But the ideas about this freedom are such that you are fighting your own innocence, you are fighting your own sustenance. And this sustenance was completely supported, protected by these great incarnations of Primordial Masters. That’s why they talked against alcohol. Christ did not talk about alcohol, all right – because He was at another point. But He did not say that you take alcohols, never. People said that He drank wine but wine means grape juice in that country, it doesn’t mean alcohol. How can Christ say, you drink wine, which is fermented, which will go against your awareness? Just think of it! It goes against your awareness, isn’t it? Your awareness is to be enlightened, He came on this earth to enlighten that awareness, do you think He will say that you get foggy with it? Does it not fog your attention and your awareness, is a fact. But He wants to do something else because He came as divine power itself. He was the embodiment of Pranava – not Prana – all powers put together. He was the embodiment of OM itself, the Brahma. That’s why He came to prove what Krishna has said, that it cannot be killed by anyone. It cannot be blown off, it cannot be destroyed. His body was made out of that, and that’s why He could be resurrected. All these things are knowledgeable only if you are a realized soul, otherwise you cannot understand this. Because you have not yet gone into the depth of your own understanding, you are still children as I say, you have to be born again, and then you can find out for these vibrations. You have to ask just a question, “Was Christ embodied with Pranava, or the OM, or the Brahma? Or was He made of Brahma itself?” You will get the cool breeze in the hand – and that is the sign that He was. It is much deeper but the whole knowledge exists as experience to you. The whole of it, it is an experience within us. And one has to get that experience of oneself, which is knowledge itself – and then everything trickles down just like actual thing within us, as we see white as white and red as red. Animals do not see, perhaps, but human beings do see. Thus, our awareness is enlightened. I will be talking to other Sahaja Yogis in the Ashram about the right side later on because we have new people, and they are to be looked after. And I think, next time when I meet, I don’t know when, maybe. [DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DATE OF THE NEXT PROGRAM] So just now, let’s have the experience for the new ones, and for the others also to deepen themselves. May God bless you! All of you should put your hands just like this, before Me, and close your eyes, just close your eyes! Put the hands like this, and just close your eyes. You have to close your eyes because the Kundalini, when She rises on the Agnya Chakra the dilatation of the pupil takes place. And if your eyes are open the dilatation doesn’t take place. When people mesmerize they keep your eyes open because they put you on the sides. I will tell one day how they mesmerize, also.
4/24/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6633	Sympathetic and Parasympathetic	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Conversation	English	38	“Sympathetic And Parasympathetic”, Dollis Hill ashram. London (UK), 24 April 1980. Acupuncture is actually is the tapping of the power which is already within us. Now for example, you have a certain power in your stomach, all right? Now this power is continuously supplied to your other organs in the stomach, is used for that, through the sympathetic nervous system. The parasympathetic stores it and the sympathetic uses it. Now supposing there is a disease in the stomach. So now the energy in that, vital energy in that particular centre is sort of exhausted or is much less. So what do they do? How to get well that person? They take from another centre, divert it, and put it there. And that’s how they try to cure that. But by that they create an imbalance, because you have a limited energy; you have a limited, absolutely limited, energy. Now supposing you have a limited petrol and another car you find whose petrol is all finished. Now if you push the petrol into another car, maybe that car will go half way and you will also go half way and finished. You understand my point? So both of them reduce your longevity. So it is the extraction of the energy which is within us which is limited. Sahaj Yoga is a very different thing: in Sahaj Yog your Kundalini rises and connects you with the All-pervading Power. So all the time you are getting power, the vital power within you flowing, and there is no death of that power. It’s all the time flowing, the grace. But here when you tap one energy into another there’s no proper understanding [of] how much to give, how much to balance and there is no need at all. Once you are a realised-soul, supposing somebody has a stomach trouble, you have to just put your hand on the stomach, finished. The person you can cure. You can cure cancer, you can cure anything because you become the source of that energy and your energy is not limited. You are getting energy from the All-pervading Power, you are connected with it. So whatever you are doing it’s just flowing like that and you just become a witness of that power which is flowing. So you don’t have to mismanage, mishandle, anybody. You just look after that part which requires energy and you raise the Kundalini and give Realisation to that sick person also, so that he can give it to another. He gets cured, then he can cure others. It is like that. So tapping this energy was first started in China when Zen system came into action, Zen. Now Zen is nothing but Sahaj Yoga, same thing as it. But Zen had only twenty-six Kashyapas in six centuries. Kashyapa means realised-soul. Only twenty-six in six centuries. And now there are none. I have met the chairman of the Zen who came here. He is a chairman, I don’t know how he is a chairman. His Kundalini is just frozen there. He cannot get Realisation I tell you! He’s beyond Realisation. He was sick so they took me to him. And he said that, “Yes You have healed me, this, that give me your healing power.” I said, “You’ll have to take your Realisation!” He said, “How can I be a Kashyapa? There were only so many, how can I be a Kashyapa? I’m not still the…” I said, “You will become. Why don’t you take it?” But he was on like this. He wouldn’t take Realisation. They want to live in ignorance. So, main thing is you first get your Realisation, you get your power within yourself and manifest it into another person. But no use putting oil from here to here and there to there. At least let one oil burn: you will have only stomach trouble. And otherwise the whole body will collapse. [That] which was to collapse - say, the stomach trouble is there - then it’s it is all right. You can continue with the stomach trouble; but if you remove it from your head there, then within say five days everybody is finished. Moreover it attacks heart, it attacks heart that’s the main point. And acupuncture is one thing I have seen: those who take acupuncture are difficult to get Realisation. Even if they get it, it’s difficult to maintain it, because of the imbalances created in the body. We should not create any imbalance ourself. Already we have created it. At the most if you have to do anything, balance it. Do not create more imbalances. And this is what is happening with all these things which are done in ignorance. They do not tell you what you do really, they never tell you. Like TM they don’t tell you what it is. It is nothing but possession. They are possessing you, absolutely they are possessing you. They mesmerise you. They don’t tell you, “We mesmerise and put a possession on you.” If they tell you won’t pay money to this fellow. Isn’t it? So they won’t tell you. They say it is “transcendental meditation”. How do you go to trance? Ask any Indian, he’ll tell you. You can only go into trance through mesmerism. Mesmerism comes through only spirits. By spirits, when you get possessed, then only you get into trance. That’s why they are behaving like this, jumping like this. Now people are paying for getting convulsions and epilepsy. This look at this Bernard Levin: such an educated man! He writes that if you go to Rajneesh you get convulsions. I mean, then there is even more reason you should not go! You pay to get convulsions and to get epilepsy? First of all you cannot pay, first of all, if it is real, because it is too real to be bought. All right? First of all. The first thing is this. And the second thing is that, whatever you get should transform you completely into a beautiful person. Your health must improve, your mind must improve, you should be a fine person, your temperament must change, your habits must change, your priorities must change, you should be a person who is a master of yourself. Instead of going to this man means or to that guru means you become a worse person. That’s what is happening. How can that be? And this is not to be achieved through rationality because rationality is limited. It’s a state of mind where you jump into. It’s an actualisation; it happens to you. Something that is actual should happen to you. You cannot just rationalise it sitting down, “Oh I am I am God, I am Brahma!” How do you become? Supposing sitting down here, I say: “I am Queen Elisabeth!” They’ll arrest me and put it in the jail. (Laughter) You see my point? So all these gurus are doing the same thing. And now see you are having problems with that. You can see that. Sitting and all that you are getting all these problems are because of that. Now will you please take to something real (laughing). Woman: What should I take to? Shri Mataji: You should take to Sahaj Yog! All right?? Now give up that Acupuncture for a while, it’s a horrible stuff. It’s sinful, I tell you. It spoils Kundalini of others. Their chance to Realisation is diminished. You would not like to do something like that. It’s very wrong. It’s very wrong. It attacks the base of human beings. Any one of these, any one of them is just the same. You can learn Homeopathy. Homeopathy is better; thousand times better than this. If you want to cure people, homeopathy is better. It is much more congenial to human nature. You can learn Ayurvedic you can learn any one of these things. But, I cannot understand this acupuncture at all. Chinese don’t use it in China, can you imagine? In China they don’t. Woman: I think they do. Shri Mataji: No they are telling you lies. They never do it. I have been to China mainland. They never do it in China. All telling you lies. They don’t believe in Lao Tse. They don’t believe in him at all in mainland China.. They don’t believe in Lao Tse. Just they don’t have it. They have other teas and this and that and they use certain roots, a more ayurvedic style, but not acupuncture, they don’t have. And I have been in China, myself. I asked them about it. They say, “Lao Tse, useless fellow!” like that. Because after LaoTse very few people got Realisation. And this one has to know what are the centres in the hand, where they are. They are also using all wrong points all sympathetic points they are not using the right points which are the parasympathetic. But that you need not do with Realisation, now why should you do it? It’s all right. All right? It’s a tremendous task. One side so many people are ruined; they are seekers they have to seek. And so many people have come round with all kinds of ignorant stuff. It’s absolutely naive, absolutely naive and dangerous. The other side is the society is going down: political people are mad. If you see the whole world, I don’t know what’s happening. In America people are so mad! The other day I saw a picture; I don’t know if you saw that BBC thing: it was horrible. I mean, I don’t know. And then one of the interviewers even asked that, “Don’t you think this is too much you are going too far with this kind of mass nonsense? And why should you do it? Is it not that because of all these sinful acts the pressure is mounting up in this area and there will be a big earthquake?” They said, “We don’t believe in all that. We have a lot of enjoyment,” and this and that, and they looked horrid. I mean you could see from their faces that they were telling lies. There was no enjoyment, nothing. You could see sick people, absolutely sick, horrible looking. All their Agnya catching, Vishuddhi catching and Mooladhara catching. What are they happy [about]? How can they be happy? They believe in telling lies and believing in myth and living with it because they think that is going to help their ego. We must ask for reality; we must face it, see it ourselves, accept it and be one with it. That’s just like a warrior. Otherwise we’ll be cowardly people. And you can see it, reality: clearly you can see. It’s very easy. The time has come. It’s for you people. You are all seekers of ages. It’s for you only this is discovered. All right? How are you now? Are you getting the cool breeze? Lost it? Don’t think about it. If you start thinking you’ll lose it. Don’t think about it. Don’t think. If you think about it, you’ll lose it. It is beyond thought. By thinking you cannot reach there. All right? It’s again started. Another lady: I have to go. I have to go now. Excuse me. Shri Mataji: How are you? Look after your son. He’s very good. He’s a good boy, very good boy. Nice you brought him. He’s alright now is he? Sahaj Yogini: Yes. Shri Mataji: You go and stay with them or you stay away? Sahaj Yogi: I was staying with them up to going away to France. Shri Mataji: Ah. Sahaj Yogi: Been there since the death of my wife. Shri Mataji: No but you must go back. Sahaj Yogi: Eventually. Shri Mataji: She misses you very much. So beautiful. You gave her the present you brought for her, from there. How is your father? Sahaj Yogi: Now he’s still misbehaving. Shri Mataji: True? Sahaj Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: You should try. You are the only one around. He’s caught up here. Imagine! How old is he? (14: 36 Hindi conversation up to 17:42) Break in recording (Laughter) Shri Mataji: Is it on or off? Sahaj Yogi: It’s on now. (Laughter) Shri Mataji: It’s a very good question. You see, when you meditate; how do you meditate on different chakras? Say you have to meditate on Mooladhara, now you pay attention towards Mooladhara and take the name of Shri Ganesha. Say the mantra. You know there are four petals; so every – that mantra should be every time should be four times should be said. Four into four you can say. Pay attention there. Now physically also say we have a Nabhi Chakra, so many of you catch at Nabhi. If you have a liver problem, you can rub a little sugar on your Nabhi, will be a good idea. Or if you have the left hand side problem of Nabhi, if you rub a little oil or ghee or something it will be a good idea. And then concentrate on that. Try to put attention onto that, specially the chakras which are not all right. You just pay attention to it and meditate on them. Pay attention to it is the main point. If you pay attention with the mantras saying, that’s how you can meditate on every chakra. And if two people can do it, is a better idea. Is, you see, in your back, on your back; if you show the spinal chord, you can see what chakras are bulging out. Other person can tell you these are the portions which are bulging out. So you go on saying the mantras of that chakra paying attention and the other person can tell you whether it is all right or not. For every chakra there is a mantra, which you know. Apart from mantra, you must know what things should be used, which element should be used for which chakra. For example, for using Mooladhara chakra: the best way to clear out Mooladhara chakra is sit on the ground; it’s the best way. I have told you how to do the exercise to be able to sit on the ground straight. It’s a very good idea of asking the Mother Earth to clear out your Mooladhara. For example, if you have to clear out your Nabhi: Nabhi is made out of the water element and that’s why you have to ask the water element to help you. And for Nabhi water element is the best. If you can use the water element to clear your Nabhi it will be a very good idea. Like that, every chakra is made from some element as it is. Swadishthana is made of earth and water; so the sea is the best for Swadishthana. If you could go to the sea and work out on Swadishthana it will be the best for you; any ocean. Or you can use salt and water for Swadishthana, will be very good. Then we can say that for the heart chakra: heart chakra is, has to do with the, what you call, the akash, firmament. With the firmament, this heart chakra is with the...no not firmament. Akash? Akash nahi (Hindi: Not ether). It’s made out of air. Air is called...Hindi me kya hai? Vayu! Vayu! Vayu! Vayu! Is air. Air or you call it air, as an element you call the word air? Or firmament? Firmament is ether in English, isn’t it? So air, you can say air. Air element is for the heart chakra. So for that I have told you how to do breathing. Breathing is the best way: to hold your breath before the photograph. Or you can take the breath in, deep breathing, and releasing it for a longer period; cleaning it. All these exercises are there. Then you see the mantra is of raksha, is the protection, to ask for the protection, is all with the air. All right? Then we come to this one is here is the, English me shabd kya ho gaya? (Hindi: ‘what is the English word?’) Tej, Vayu, Akash...Akash ko kya shabd hai, angrezi me? (Hindi: What is the word for akash in English?) Must be firmament. What is a ‘firmament’ in English? Yogi: Ether. Shri Mataji: Ether? Firmament is ether? All right, so this is the firmament then. I have read one translation but I was not sure. This (Vishuddhi) is the akash, is the sky. This is the sky, here. All right? This is made out of the sky, firmament. And this (Agnya) is made out of the light. Firmament is sky, is it? Yogi: Yeah. Shri Mataji: So this is sky. That’s why it is Virata this thing. And this [Agyna] is your light. So for Agnya chakra you have to use the light. For this [Vishuddhi] you have to use the sky. If you put your hands up like this, if you say, “Allah hu Akbar” [and] put both the hands towards the sky, like that. There are so many ways of using the sky, watching the sky, looking at the sky. And for this [Agnya] the sun and the light is to be used. Now supposing you are suffering from a left side problem, if you’re possessed or something, then you can use the sun because the sun will give you the balance. But if you have the right side problems, like ego and all that, you should use the moon, put the left hand towards the moon. But always people do the other way round: these dramatic melodramatic people, all of them will go to the lunar side: they like the moonlight. And those who are egoistical will go in the sun and burn themselves off. So other way round it should be. Like that if you use, you can work it out. All right? You yourself can manage it. So these are different centres which must be cleansed and meditated onto, or to be dissolved into their own [elements]. I mean, if you dissolve them into their own element, then you get more strength into that particular body. It’s like that. Sahaj Yogi: Could you tell us a bit about sunset. Are we not to look at the sunset? Shri Mataji: Sunset is not very good. Sunrise [is better]. Sunset is not good. That’s the time the sun is taking away all the energies from this earth, so it’s not such a good time to see. But it depends on [your nature]. For example, ego-oriented people if they see the sun[set] would be better I think. A little bit of their ego might be drawn out. But people who have got a left side problem should see the sunrise, will be good. It’s only the other way round. You see now? Good question! Now any other question? Grazyna Anslow: When the Kundalini rises can you feel the Kundalini in each chakra, I mean lower chakras, or it can rise to the third chakra at once? Shri Mataji: Actually normally if your instrument is perfect you don’t feel it anywhere, it just runs through, and you just feel the cool breeze from your head and you can feel the Kundalini’s fountain coming out, as cool breeze. But if your chakras are closed or there’s some problem or they are defective or sick or anything is there, then the Kundalini goes there and hits it. Like specially Void, if you have a Void this thing (catch) you can see it clearly at the back of a person. If the Void is caught up, you can see that, at the end of the Void here it will go on pushing like that. And if the Sushumna, the central path, is absolutely clearcut, a person is absolutely in the centre, then the Kundalini just goes like that straight and they also never have any problem later on. Grazyna Anslow: What about the heat that we feel in our chakras? Shri Mataji: Heat? Heat comes in if you have a liver problem or a right side problem. In the right side is too much of heat. In the left side it is too much of cold. Some people feel very cold and they perspire and this and that. If you have the left side problem then you get perspiration, especially with the heart. Or some people who have very low low blood pressure or who have left side problem, can feel very cold also. The heat comes because of liver mainly. Those who have too much of sun in them, the heat starts coming up. Also heat is a sign of over-activity in a person, a person is overactive. Cancer gives too much heat I have seen. Cancer also gives too much heat. It gives so much heat that one cancer patient can really make the whole house heated up.You don’t need any heater with a cancer patient if you know how to raise the Kundalini. And the left side is... (Laughter) It’s a common experience. It’s very interesting you know. Sahaj Yoga is very interesting. Even cancer makes you laugh, the way the things are. But surprisingly, you’ll be amazed that, I have not come across one cancer patient, so far, who is just right sided: always he ends up in the left, [this] means he must have had some sort of a problem with a black magic or some bad guru, or some sort of a thing which is unauthorised against God; something like that. Cancer is always, I have seen it, always: leukemia, [I have] treated cancer of the peritoneum, cancer of kidneys, cancer of lungs: all of them had this. That means somewhere a guru or somebody or some black magic or spiritualists or something like that has intervened with the personality, and then you get this cancer business. It’s a remarkable thing. Grazyna Anslow: Does the heat always indicate the cancer problem? Shri Mataji: Cancer? No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. Heat indicates liver, mainly liver. All right? And cancer also is when the cells become ego-oriented. A person who is ego oriented, they think too much, they work very hard then they get liver. Because one centre has to do the liver, the pancreas, the spleen, the kidneys and uterus - imagine! And the same has to make, look after, the cells for the brain, the same centre, Swadishthana. When it has to work both the things, naturally, if you start thinking too much, then what happens is that these are neglected. So you develop liver, you develop kidney; you develop diabetes, you develop uterus troubles, all these things come. Apart from that, it goes further: by that time, when you overdo it then your left side starts freezing. (break in the recording) Ego orientation of any society will give you more heart attacks. But when ego develops too much in a society people start seeing it; then they get frightened of the ego, then they must drink. Because just to run away from the ego that they can’t bear themselves that egoistical, so they drink, they take to drugs, these things, to run away because they can’t just bear the ego of people. They find they are really silly idiots you see going around. So they don’t want to be like them; so they take the other side of it. When they go to the other side they go to the left side. Now when going to the left side both things being sort of very much fought out, there’s a wobbling going on in your brain. With that you develop all these problems. But if you are only left sided you may be absolutely reading only Lord Byron and you can land up in lunatic asylum. You can. I have seen one like that. Only reading Lord Byron could be possible. Because he just makes you miserable. He, himself, was a very funny man but he wants everybody to be miserable. And he always sings songs of such crying. I mean, such a man, I don’t know how he developed this kind of a melodramatic stuff. But I have known people who came to me who have been just crying reading this Lord Byron. He himself enjoyed life very well! So one has to take a very, very wise and sane attitude towards life: that you are the eternal life, that you are the eternal being and you have come on this Earth to enjoy all the blessings that God has created for you, and not for weeping and crying and feeling guilty. That’s not your job. First thing is that. This is wisdom. And you are not going to make miserable about small, small things of life also. Like the other day I saw a very interesting story of a husband [and] wife quarreling ending up into a divorce and poor husband had no house so he went to his brother’s place. The brother’s wife was very particular about everything. She had three pets, so he could not put the box anywhere because she would say. “No no no no no! There’s another pet!” Like that. Again, poor thing would leave the box, then, “No no no no no, not there! There’s another pet.” Then another there. Like that, all the time worried about small, small petty things of life. Also that can create a problem of ego-orientation. Live in a very carefree manner. It’s not so important. But that doesn’t mean laziness. I must tell you that doesn’t mean LA–ZI–NESS! Spell it with capital letters, all of you! By any chance it doesn’t mean that! It means hard work. But [to] enjoy it and not to be involved into things which are of no importance at all, useless things. Here it is joy spread for you so why are you bothered about these things? They are not meant for you. Isn’t it? Ha! Ha! David, thank God you told me about it because I found, I remembered, that the Secretary of our Health Ministry in Delhi, himself came to see me. He was there for three hours because our President has told him that Mataji has cured him, and he’s very anxious to verify it, that saying particular sounds, say for the Vishuddhi, like there are sixteen (bija mantras): uh, ah, e, ee, u, oo lu, glu, gloo, loo, a, I, o ,ou, , um aha – sixteen. Now all these sixteen sounds are for sixteen petals. But you need not do all that. If you just say the innermost thing is Virat. There is no need to have the sounds or anything. Just you say ‘Virat’, it opens out. No use knowing, unnecessary, because we have gone to the centre most part, called as the Brahmanadi. If you have to go from the leaf to the root, then you have to know all the way. But if you are coming from the root, inside the root, then what is the need? When they moved that way, then only they knew all these things. Say, in this house, or in any building, you have a lift just in the centre and moving you upward, you don’t have to know, you just move. But, if you have to come from outside every time, every chakra, you will never be able to enter inside the lift. But you’ll be doing all, you will know everything about that particular chakra from outside. But you’ll never get in with all the sympathetic movement. So there is no need to know. Like this I was telling you, this is the centre and this is the left and this is the right. You can come from the left and go back to the left or you can come from the left and go to the right. But, you cannot get inside. And this inside getting is the point. That’s the way you do it. All right? So there is no need to. This is all again rambling. Better now? Better she is. What do you think? Is she better?	null	null	null	“Sympathetic And Parasympathetic”, Dollis Hill ashram. London (UK), 24 April 1980. Acupuncture is actually is the tapping of the power which is already within us. Now for example, you have a certain power in your stomach, all right? Now this power is continuously supplied to your other organs in the stomach, is used for that, through the sympathetic nervous system. The parasympathetic stores it and the sympathetic uses it. Now supposing there is a disease in the stomach. So now the energy in that, vital energy in that particular centre is sort of exhausted or is much less. So what do they do? How to get well that person? They take from another centre, divert it, and put it there. And that’s how they try to cure that. But by that they create an imbalance, because you have a limited energy; you have a limited, absolutely limited, energy. Now supposing you have a limited petrol and another car you find whose petrol is all finished. Now if you push the petrol into another car, maybe that car will go half way and you will also go half way and finished. You understand my point? So both of them reduce your longevity. So it is the extraction of the energy which is within us which is limited. Sahaj Yoga is a very different thing: in Sahaj Yog your Kundalini rises and connects you with the All-pervading Power. So all the time you are getting power, the vital power within you flowing, and there is no death of that power. It’s all the time flowing, the grace. But here when you tap one energy into another there’s no proper understanding [of] how much to give, how much to balance and there is no need at all. Once you are a realised-soul, supposing somebody has a stomach trouble, you have to just put your hand on the stomach, finished. The person you can cure. You can cure cancer, you can cure anything because you become the source of that energy and your energy is not limited. You are getting energy from the All-pervading Power, you are connected with it. So whatever you are doing it’s just flowing like that and you just become a witness of that power which is flowing. So you don’t have to mismanage, mishandle, anybody. You just look after that part which requires energy and you raise the Kundalini and give Realisation to that sick person also, so that he can give it to another. He gets cured, then he can cure others. It is like that. So tapping this energy was first started in China when Zen system came into action, Zen. Now Zen is nothing but Sahaj Yoga, same thing as it. But Zen had only twenty-six Kashyapas in six centuries. Kashyapa means realised-soul. Only twenty-six in six centuries. And now there are none. I have met the chairman of the Zen who came here. He is a chairman, I don’t know how he is a chairman. His Kundalini is just frozen there. He cannot get Realisation I tell you! He’s beyond Realisation. He was sick so they took me to him. And he said that, “Yes You have healed me, this, that give me your healing power.” I said, “You’ll have to take your Realisation!” He said, “How can I be a Kashyapa? There were only so many, how can I be a Kashyapa? I’m not still the…” I said, “You will become. Why don’t you take it?” But he was on like this. He wouldn’t take Realisation. They want to live in ignorance. So, main thing is you first get your Realisation, you get your power within yourself and manifest it into another person. But no use putting oil from here to here and there to there. At least let one oil burn: you will have only stomach trouble. And otherwise the whole body will collapse. [That] which was to collapse - say, the stomach trouble is there - then it’s it is all right. You can continue with the stomach trouble; but if you remove it from your head there, then within say five days everybody is finished. Moreover it attacks heart, it attacks heart that’s the main point. And acupuncture is one thing I have seen: those who take acupuncture are difficult to get Realisation. Even if they get it, it’s difficult to maintain it, because of the imbalances created in the body. We should not create any imbalance ourself. Already we have created it. At the most if you have to do anything, balance it. Do not create more imbalances. And this is what is happening with all these things which are done in ignorance. They do not tell you what you do really, they never tell you. Like TM they don’t tell you what it is. It is nothing but possession. They are possessing you, absolutely they are possessing you. They mesmerise you. They don’t tell you, “We mesmerise and put a possession on you.” If they tell you won’t pay money to this fellow. Isn’t it? So they won’t tell you. They say it is “transcendental meditation”. How do you go to trance? Ask any Indian, he’ll tell you. You can only go into trance through mesmerism. Mesmerism comes through only spirits. By spirits, when you get possessed, then only you get into trance. That’s why they are behaving like this, jumping like this. Now people are paying for getting convulsions and epilepsy. This look at this Bernard Levin: such an educated man! He writes that if you go to Rajneesh you get convulsions. I mean, then there is even more reason you should not go! You pay to get convulsions and to get epilepsy? First of all you cannot pay, first of all, if it is real, because it is too real to be bought. All right? First of all. The first thing is this. And the second thing is that, whatever you get should transform you completely into a beautiful person. Your health must improve, your mind must improve, you should be a fine person, your temperament must change, your habits must change, your priorities must change, you should be a person who is a master of yourself. Instead of going to this man means or to that guru means you become a worse person. That’s what is happening. How can that be? And this is not to be achieved through rationality because rationality is limited. It’s a state of mind where you jump into. It’s an actualisation; it happens to you. Something that is actual should happen to you. You cannot just rationalise it sitting down, “Oh I am I am God, I am Brahma!” How do you become? Supposing sitting down here, I say: “I am Queen Elisabeth!” They’ll arrest me and put it in the jail. (Laughter) You see my point? So all these gurus are doing the same thing. And now see you are having problems with that. You can see that. Sitting and all that you are getting all these problems are because of that. Now will you please take to something real (laughing). Woman: What should I take to? Shri Mataji: You should take to Sahaj Yog! All right?? Now give up that Acupuncture for a while, it’s a horrible stuff. It’s sinful, I tell you. It spoils Kundalini of others. Their chance to Realisation is diminished. You would not like to do something like that. It’s very wrong. It’s very wrong. It attacks the base of human beings. Any one of these, any one of them is just the same. You can learn Homeopathy. Homeopathy is better; thousand times better than this. If you want to cure people, homeopathy is better. It is much more congenial to human nature. You can learn Ayurvedic you can learn any one of these things. But, I cannot understand this acupuncture at all. Chinese don’t use it in China, can you imagine? In China they don’t. Woman: I think they do. Shri Mataji: No they are telling you lies. They never do it. I have been to China mainland. They never do it in China. All telling you lies. They don’t believe in Lao Tse. They don’t believe in him at all in mainland China.. They don’t believe in Lao Tse. Just they don’t have it. They have other teas and this and that and they use certain roots, a more ayurvedic style, but not acupuncture, they don’t have. And I have been in China, myself. I asked them about it. They say, “Lao Tse, useless fellow!” like that. Because after LaoTse very few people got Realisation. And this one has to know what are the centres in the hand, where they are. They are also using all wrong points all sympathetic points they are not using the right points which are the parasympathetic. But that you need not do with Realisation, now why should you do it? It’s all right. All right? It’s a tremendous task. One side so many people are ruined; they are seekers they have to seek. And so many people have come round with all kinds of ignorant stuff. It’s absolutely naive, absolutely naive and dangerous. The other side is the society is going down: political people are mad. If you see the whole world, I don’t know what’s happening. In America people are so mad! The other day I saw a picture; I don’t know if you saw that BBC thing: it was horrible. I mean, I don’t know. And then one of the interviewers even asked that, “Don’t you think this is too much you are going too far with this kind of mass nonsense? And why should you do it? Is it not that because of all these sinful acts the pressure is mounting up in this area and there will be a big earthquake?” They said, “We don’t believe in all that. We have a lot of enjoyment,” and this and that, and they looked horrid. I mean you could see from their faces that they were telling lies. There was no enjoyment, nothing. You could see sick people, absolutely sick, horrible looking. All their Agnya catching, Vishuddhi catching and Mooladhara catching. What are they happy [about]? How can they be happy? They believe in telling lies and believing in myth and living with it because they think that is going to help their ego. We must ask for reality; we must face it, see it ourselves, accept it and be one with it. That’s just like a warrior. Otherwise we’ll be cowardly people. And you can see it, reality: clearly you can see. It’s very easy. The time has come. It’s for you people. You are all seekers of ages. It’s for you only this is discovered. All right? How are you now? Are you getting the cool breeze? Lost it? Don’t think about it. If you start thinking you’ll lose it. Don’t think about it. Don’t think. If you think about it, you’ll lose it. It is beyond thought. By thinking you cannot reach there. All right? It’s again started. Another lady: I have to go. I have to go now. Excuse me. Shri Mataji: How are you? Look after your son. He’s very good. He’s a good boy, very good boy. Nice you brought him. He’s alright now is he? Sahaj Yogini: Yes. Shri Mataji: You go and stay with them or you stay away? Sahaj Yogi: I was staying with them up to going away to France. Shri Mataji: Ah. Sahaj Yogi: Been there since the death of my wife. Shri Mataji: No but you must go back. Sahaj Yogi: Eventually. Shri Mataji: She misses you very much. So beautiful. You gave her the present you brought for her, from there. How is your father? Sahaj Yogi: Now he’s still misbehaving. Shri Mataji: True? Sahaj Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: You should try. You are the only one around. He’s caught up here. Imagine! How old is he? (14: 36 Hindi conversation up to 17:42) Break in recording (Laughter) Shri Mataji: Is it on or off? Sahaj Yogi: It’s on now. (Laughter) Shri Mataji: It’s a very good question. You see, when you meditate; how do you meditate on different chakras? Say you have to meditate on Mooladhara, now you pay attention towards Mooladhara and take the name of Shri Ganesha. Say the mantra. You know there are four petals; so every – that mantra should be every time should be four times should be said. Four into four you can say. Pay attention there. Now physically also say we have a Nabhi Chakra, so many of you catch at Nabhi. If you have a liver problem, you can rub a little sugar on your Nabhi, will be a good idea. Or if you have the left hand side problem of Nabhi, if you rub a little oil or ghee or something it will be a good idea. And then concentrate on that. Try to put attention onto that, specially the chakras which are not all right. You just pay attention to it and meditate on them. Pay attention to it is the main point. If you pay attention with the mantras saying, that’s how you can meditate on every chakra. And if two people can do it, is a better idea. Is, you see, in your back, on your back; if you show the spinal chord, you can see what chakras are bulging out. Other person can tell you these are the portions which are bulging out. So you go on saying the mantras of that chakra paying attention and the other person can tell you whether it is all right or not. For every chakra there is a mantra, which you know. Apart from mantra, you must know what things should be used, which element should be used for which chakra. For example, for using Mooladhara chakra: the best way to clear out Mooladhara chakra is sit on the ground; it’s the best way. I have told you how to do the exercise to be able to sit on the ground straight. It’s a very good idea of asking the Mother Earth to clear out your Mooladhara. For example, if you have to clear out your Nabhi: Nabhi is made out of the water element and that’s why you have to ask the water element to help you. And for Nabhi water element is the best. If you can use the water element to clear your Nabhi it will be a very good idea. Like that, every chakra is made from some element as it is. Swadishthana is made of earth and water; so the sea is the best for Swadishthana. If you could go to the sea and work out on Swadishthana it will be the best for you; any ocean. Or you can use salt and water for Swadishthana, will be very good. Then we can say that for the heart chakra: heart chakra is, has to do with the, what you call, the akash, firmament. With the firmament, this heart chakra is with the...no not firmament. Akash? Akash nahi (Hindi: Not ether). It’s made out of air. Air is called...Hindi me kya hai? Vayu! Vayu! Vayu! Vayu! Is air. Air or you call it air, as an element you call the word air? Or firmament? Firmament is ether in English, isn’t it? So air, you can say air. Air element is for the heart chakra. So for that I have told you how to do breathing. Breathing is the best way: to hold your breath before the photograph. Or you can take the breath in, deep breathing, and releasing it for a longer period; cleaning it. All these exercises are there. Then you see the mantra is of raksha, is the protection, to ask for the protection, is all with the air. All right? Then we come to this one is here is the, English me shabd kya ho gaya? (Hindi: ‘what is the English word?’) Tej, Vayu, Akash...Akash ko kya shabd hai, angrezi me? (Hindi: What is the word for akash in English?) Must be firmament. What is a ‘firmament’ in English? Yogi: Ether. Shri Mataji: Ether? Firmament is ether? All right, so this is the firmament then. I have read one translation but I was not sure. This (Vishuddhi) is the akash, is the sky. This is the sky, here. All right? This is made out of the sky, firmament. And this (Agnya) is made out of the light. Firmament is sky, is it? Yogi: Yeah. Shri Mataji: So this is sky. That’s why it is Virata this thing. And this [Agyna] is your light. So for Agnya chakra you have to use the light. For this [Vishuddhi] you have to use the sky. If you put your hands up like this, if you say, “Allah hu Akbar” [and] put both the hands towards the sky, like that. There are so many ways of using the sky, watching the sky, looking at the sky. And for this [Agnya] the sun and the light is to be used. Now supposing you are suffering from a left side problem, if you’re possessed or something, then you can use the sun because the sun will give you the balance. But if you have the right side problems, like ego and all that, you should use the moon, put the left hand towards the moon. But always people do the other way round: these dramatic melodramatic people, all of them will go to the lunar side: they like the moonlight. And those who are egoistical will go in the sun and burn themselves off. So other way round it should be. Like that if you use, you can work it out. All right? You yourself can manage it. So these are different centres which must be cleansed and meditated onto, or to be dissolved into their own [elements]. I mean, if you dissolve them into their own element, then you get more strength into that particular body. It’s like that. Sahaj Yogi: Could you tell us a bit about sunset. Are we not to look at the sunset? Shri Mataji: Sunset is not very good. Sunrise [is better]. Sunset is not good. That’s the time the sun is taking away all the energies from this earth, so it’s not such a good time to see. But it depends on [your nature]. For example, ego-oriented people if they see the sun[set] would be better I think. A little bit of their ego might be drawn out. But people who have got a left side problem should see the sunrise, will be good. It’s only the other way round. You see now? Good question! Now any other question? Grazyna Anslow: When the Kundalini rises can you feel the Kundalini in each chakra, I mean lower chakras, or it can rise to the third chakra at once? Shri Mataji: Actually normally if your instrument is perfect you don’t feel it anywhere, it just runs through, and you just feel the cool breeze from your head and you can feel the Kundalini’s fountain coming out, as cool breeze. But if your chakras are closed or there’s some problem or they are defective or sick or anything is there, then the Kundalini goes there and hits it. Like specially Void, if you have a Void this thing (catch) you can see it clearly at the back of a person. If the Void is caught up, you can see that, at the end of the Void here it will go on pushing like that. And if the Sushumna, the central path, is absolutely clearcut, a person is absolutely in the centre, then the Kundalini just goes like that straight and they also never have any problem later on. Grazyna Anslow: What about the heat that we feel in our chakras? Shri Mataji: Heat? Heat comes in if you have a liver problem or a right side problem. In the right side is too much of heat. In the left side it is too much of cold. Some people feel very cold and they perspire and this and that. If you have the left side problem then you get perspiration, especially with the heart. Or some people who have very low low blood pressure or who have left side problem, can feel very cold also. The heat comes because of liver mainly. Those who have too much of sun in them, the heat starts coming up. Also heat is a sign of over-activity in a person, a person is overactive. Cancer gives too much heat I have seen. Cancer also gives too much heat. It gives so much heat that one cancer patient can really make the whole house heated up.You don’t need any heater with a cancer patient if you know how to raise the Kundalini. And the left side is... (Laughter) It’s a common experience. It’s very interesting you know. Sahaj Yoga is very interesting. Even cancer makes you laugh, the way the things are. But surprisingly, you’ll be amazed that, I have not come across one cancer patient, so far, who is just right sided: always he ends up in the left, [this] means he must have had some sort of a problem with a black magic or some bad guru, or some sort of a thing which is unauthorised against God; something like that. Cancer is always, I have seen it, always: leukemia, [I have] treated cancer of the peritoneum, cancer of kidneys, cancer of lungs: all of them had this. That means somewhere a guru or somebody or some black magic or spiritualists or something like that has intervened with the personality, and then you get this cancer business. It’s a remarkable thing. Grazyna Anslow: Does the heat always indicate the cancer problem? Shri Mataji: Cancer? No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. Heat indicates liver, mainly liver. All right? And cancer also is when the cells become ego-oriented. A person who is ego oriented, they think too much, they work very hard then they get liver. Because one centre has to do the liver, the pancreas, the spleen, the kidneys and uterus - imagine! And the same has to make, look after, the cells for the brain, the same centre, Swadishthana. When it has to work both the things, naturally, if you start thinking too much, then what happens is that these are neglected. So you develop liver, you develop kidney; you develop diabetes, you develop uterus troubles, all these things come. Apart from that, it goes further: by that time, when you overdo it then your left side starts freezing. (break in the recording) Ego orientation of any society will give you more heart attacks. But when ego develops too much in a society people start seeing it; then they get frightened of the ego, then they must drink. Because just to run away from the ego that they can’t bear themselves that egoistical, so they drink, they take to drugs, these things, to run away because they can’t just bear the ego of people. They find they are really silly idiots you see going around. So they don’t want to be like them; so they take the other side of it. When they go to the other side they go to the left side. Now when going to the left side both things being sort of very much fought out, there’s a wobbling going on in your brain. With that you develop all these problems. But if you are only left sided you may be absolutely reading only Lord Byron and you can land up in lunatic asylum. You can. I have seen one like that. Only reading Lord Byron could be possible. Because he just makes you miserable. He, himself, was a very funny man but he wants everybody to be miserable. And he always sings songs of such crying. I mean, such a man, I don’t know how he developed this kind of a melodramatic stuff. But I have known people who came to me who have been just crying reading this Lord Byron. He himself enjoyed life very well! So one has to take a very, very wise and sane attitude towards life: that you are the eternal life, that you are the eternal being and you have come on this Earth to enjoy all the blessings that God has created for you, and not for weeping and crying and feeling guilty. That’s not your job. First thing is that. This is wisdom. And you are not going to make miserable about small, small things of life also. Like the other day I saw a very interesting story of a husband [and] wife quarreling ending up into a divorce and poor husband had no house so he went to his brother’s place. The brother’s wife was very particular about everything. She had three pets, so he could not put the box anywhere because she would say. “No no no no no! There’s another pet!” Like that. Again, poor thing would leave the box, then, “No no no no no, not there! There’s another pet.” Then another there. Like that, all the time worried about small, small petty things of life. Also that can create a problem of ego-orientation. Live in a very carefree manner. It’s not so important. But that doesn’t mean laziness. I must tell you that doesn’t mean LA–ZI–NESS! Spell it with capital letters, all of you! By any chance it doesn’t mean that! It means hard work. But [to] enjoy it and not to be involved into things which are of no importance at all, useless things. Here it is joy spread for you so why are you bothered about these things? They are not meant for you. Isn’t it? Ha! Ha! David, thank God you told me about it because I found, I remembered, that the Secretary of our Health Ministry in Delhi, himself came to see me. He was there for three hours because our President has told him that Mataji has cured him, and he’s very anxious to verify it, that saying particular sounds, say for the Vishuddhi, like there are sixteen (bija mantras): uh, ah, e, ee, u, oo lu, glu, gloo, loo, a, I, o ,ou, , um aha – sixteen. Now all these sixteen sounds are for sixteen petals. But you need not do all that. If you just say the innermost thing is Virat. There is no need to have the sounds or anything. Just you say ‘Virat’, it opens out. No use knowing, unnecessary, because we have gone to the centre most part, called as the Brahmanadi. If you have to go from the leaf to the root, then you have to know all the way. But if you are coming from the root, inside the root, then what is the need? When they moved that way, then only they knew all these things. Say, in this house, or in any building, you have a lift just in the centre and moving you upward, you don’t have to know, you just move. But, if you have to come from outside every time, every chakra, you will never be able to enter inside the lift. But you’ll be doing all, you will know everything about that particular chakra from outside. But you’ll never get in with all the sympathetic movement. So there is no need to know. Like this I was telling you, this is the centre and this is the left and this is the right. You can come from the left and go back to the left or you can come from the left and go to the right. But, you cannot get inside. And this inside getting is the point. That’s the way you do it. All right? So there is no need to. This is all again rambling. Better now? Better she is. What do you think? Is she better?
4/26/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6706	Demystification of False Gurus	Switzerland	Lausanne	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	76	First of all, I’m very grateful to Gregoire’s family and him specially, for inviting Me to come to Switzerland to meet seekers of Truth. According to him, there are many, many seekers in this country, who are frightened of the fake gurus and are not venturing to find out much about God. Today he has selected a subject for Me to speak to you about the false gurus; how to find out who is false and who is true. It is very important because now the Judgement time, the Last Judgement has started already. This is the time it will be found out whether you have used your understanding wisely or not. We have to think that when somebody has to judge us, how will he organise the judgement. First of all, there will be good and bad placed before you. In your freedom, in human freedom, you have been seeking truth for many lives. But sometimes you are misled, you try to seek it in money or in power also, and sometimes also the romanticism of love. And every time you have made some mistakes also. Mistakes are not so important because those who are not yet there are, have to make mistakes. Moreover, if mistakes are committed by your spiritual naïveness, it is to be forgiven. After you have understood what is reality and when you have achieved reality, then only one can judge you whether you are all right or not. It would not be a fair chance to a person if you ask him to enter into a dark room and then start judging his seeing power. He must be given a full understanding and also an awakening to see what is around. That means you have to achieve a better understanding through evolutionary method. That also means that your consciousness at human level is not sufficient enough to see the whole. So there is an urge to find out your wholesomeness all over the world. I find in the West there are many saints born who are seeking. But they are lost in the confusion of materialism. If they could understand what is reality and could feel it, I’m sure, they’ll go in for reality and not for fake. By self-realisation you see your reality, you feel your reality, your absolute, that is your self. Because before that you lived in the realm of relativity. All human enterprises in political, or economic field are all relative. You have to find the absolute and that is your only urge behind all the other urges. When this urge is very great and when people understand that there is a market for such an urge, people come with their own economic enterprises in the field. It is but natural for evil to react like that. Apart from that, if human beings have to rise to a higher consciousness, there must be a satanic effort also to pull them down. As self-realisation is the last jump into your reality. It’s all right, leave it, they are playing, all right. It’s all right. What’s wrong? Let him play. As realisation is the last jump into your awareness in this Last Judgement, it is a very, very important event in the whole universe. Because of this emergency there is a cropping up of very cunning, hypocritical forces which will try to retard this process of realisation. There were demons born before also, demonic forces came into being, but one by one, not at the time. But in modern times you find them so many, somehow or other, born like mushrooms. Some of them are really poisonous, dangerous and some of them are useless. I’ve been saying about it since 1970, but people did not like it. Now, one thing you must understand: a person who is of a higher consciousness can never accept a parasitic life, he cannot depend on anybody for his maintenance. That means you cannot sell God in the market. You cannot pay even a single pai for that, it is so invaluable that you cannot insult it by talking about His sale. This is one of the tests one should put to anything that is selling in the name of God. A person who is holy only gives. He may not give you material things but he gives the supreme. Shri Krishna has said: Yoga-kṣhemaṁ vahāmyaham – when you get your yoga, when you get union with God, you also get your well-being after that, after that. So you cannot give anything to a person who calls himself to be holy or anything to do with meditation, and you cannot have a courses of God’s realisation. You cannot go to a college to get a course on God’s realisation. It would be like a seed going to a school to learn how to sprout, or an egg going to a school to learn how to become a bird. It is that absurd. You cannot learn, it is the becoming, what you become. You cannot learn what you become. For example, you cannot go to a school… if monkeys are sent to a school they cannot become human beings. In education you can at the most change the outer being, but not the base of a particular gene or… if you are a human being, you’ll remain a human being. We have become, from amoeba to this stage, a human being. What did we do, to what school did we go, how much money did we pay, how many times did we stand on our heads? We have got everything spontaneously, it’s all spontaneous, it is all God’s grace which works it out. You cannot do it. In the same way you cannot get your realisation by standing on your heads or paying money for it. But some of the horrible people, who decided to exploit the market, first studied the people who are the seekers. They divided seekers into three groups: those who have money, those who don’t have much money, means who are seeking in money, and those who are seeking power. And they came out in three groups. First of all they said that, “unless and until you take money from the people who have money, they will have no value for this”. It was a psychological trick. They say that, “they will feel that they have paid for it so they must go through it.” Like you go to a theatre and you pay a lot of money and it’s horrible drama, but still you have to go through because you paid for it. And you just don’t complain to each other lest one may get up and go away, and continue with it. So they have used this psychological question of impressing on you that you have to pay money. And because we are also – have been doing all such things – paying money for religion, we understood it very well. We should see how much money did we pay to Christ. He was just sold for thirty rupees and was crucified. This is what we gave to Him, this is what we gave to Him. And these people are taking money from us. There’s one guru who is taking money and having a bed full of diamonds, how can he be anywhere near God? That’s why Christ took a hunter and hit all those people who were having a sale in the church. It’s all kinds of funny jugglery going on, has been, since long, about religion, because it pampers your ego. I met a gentleman who was a Jew, and he told Me that he wants Me to get him a small little box from India, of gold, with diamonds embedded, and he was a rich man, he would like to pay any amount for that. So I asked him, “what are you going to do about it?” He said, “I have got a very expensive Bible which is minutely written, you can only read it with a magnifying glass, which I’m going to put here in that and going to tie to my hand – arm.” So I told him, “what will you do with that?” He said, “oh, that’s how God is going to forgive all my sins.” I asked him, “do you think God wants some bribery for it?”. He was shocked at My remark. He said, “this is blasphemous. Don’t say like that.” So conditioned we are to this money that we cannot separate God from money. When we meet such people, we go to the other side and say there is no God and deny it. That is also the act of ego. If you have not known God, you should say, “let’s see and wait: if it is there, we’ll accept, if it is not there we’ll not say anything.” There are many others, I’ve seen, who are paying lot of money to churches and temples in India while they are doing no God’s work except, for all kinds of social services they are providing. I lived near a cathedral in London and the only activity the whole day there is going on, is the emptying of the barrels of beer. I feel London has gone down so much in drinks that even if you go to listen to any carols, you don’t know where they are going, where the tune is moving. Everything is so shrillen out of tune and they cannot correlate with each other that you don’t know what to do. So many young people all over the world have denounced all these traditional religions, because they see to the shell of religion but not to the spirit of religion. I had a disciple from Algeria who got his realisation, who is a young man, who is a Muslim; he went back to his country and he gave realisation to five hundred of his age group who were all a communist, atheist. So it happens that when we think money is very important, we go to a guru who charges the most. As if people go to races which is the most expensive. So the most expensive guru makes the most of the disciples also. Now the other thing they do is to, apart from courses, they give some sort of a funny mantra. In a country where, I mean, in India, where people know what mantras are really, nobody can befool them. They are befooled by something else. If some juggler takes out a diamond out of his hand, Indians will be very much excited. And in the villages, even if they distribute some few coins, they’ll be over excited about that. But in the West people are more impressed if somebody can take their money, where they can spend some money, because that is the expression of ego. As you have got Saint Tropez, where people just go to spend their money, because they don’t know what to do with their money. They can also believe that they are doing some spiritual work there. It is something on that basis when the money is involved in spiritual life. Then one must understand that you cannot do anything about your self realisation. There is a candle here which is enlightened, and can enlighten many other candles. And the best enlightened candle cannot, best candle cannot get enlightened unless and until it is enlightened by an enlightened light. Whatever the candle may try, stand on its head or do whatever it can or pay any amount, it cannot get enlightened. The unenlightened light is also, about to be enlightened, is just ready for it. But something has to happen within. This is what we should know, that when you go to any fake guru what happening takes place. I’m having samples of all kinds of funny happenings that these gurus are producing through their disciples. Only about eight days back there was a gentleman from some very expensive guru and he showed Me what happens to him: all his eyes became stuck and his hands started going and feet started going on both the sides and he came on the edge of the chair and he put his mouth, puffed his mouth and as if he is about to breath out, but he would not. So I thought he’ll collapse. I said breath in, breath in. He could not breath in even. So it was a horrible condition and we all were shocked at his condition. In India there were three-four people who came in an Indian gathering and they started taking out all their clothes and becoming naked. For Indian society it is too much to see anybody nude, most embarrassing it was. And they were about to remove the last of their dresses, I said, now what are you up to? So they said, “to show our health, spiritual happening we have to become nude and dance. The other day in Paris I met somebody whose every muscle was twisting in every way and he was going into funny convulsions. I have cured the cancer of many people in this work of Mine, I’ve even cured the cancer of our president of India and I have seen that most of these cancer patients come from this black magic or left sided, what we call, the gurus and all sorts of infections. Apart from that so many I have seen from other gurus who teach them under courses and take a lot of money, they suffer from epilepsy of a very serious nature. Some of them who came to Me got such a shock that it was all wrong because they had all become bankrupt, they were very rich people. They went to see the doctors and the doctors said that there is a theta wave in their brain. And they said yes, this is what sect theta wave. So the doctors said this is only for the epilepsy patients you get this wave. There was a lady, daughter of a Duke in London, who had become absolutely mad and her head was pulled backward and she would sit like this, screaming loudly for hours together. She had lost all her money and every hope to comeback. Even her husband, in the same condition, not so bad, came to Me, both of them screaming, shouting and jumping. So they told, I asked them, what have you been doing? They told Me, “we have been learning flying.” I said, why don’t you ask your guru to fly, for a change. At least if he can fly than he can teach you. So we come to this point that we must verify from others what have they achieved through their practices and spending of money. They may just tell you that they feel very nice, they feel very happy as the drunkard says after taking some drink. But this is of no value. You should exactly know what is happening to him and whether there is any transformation in his temperament. I have seen some gurus put such speed into human beings that you cannot understand them what they are speaking. Their words go telescopically into each other, and some of them make them so mild that they become like worms. They cannot explain how it happened. Now I will tell you what they do. You can see here a human being. Aside: Can you, all of you… This is what you are, in the subtle form. These centres exist within you. These centres manifest outside the gross plexuses: this one is pelvic plexus, aortic plexus, solar plexus, this is cardiac plexus, this is cervical plexus. This centre is between the pituitary and the pineal which controls them and vis a vis controls the ego and the superego. This is the central part of your ascent. Already God has placed the energy within you called as Kundalini here, like a germinating power in a seat. This has to rise, go through all these centres and open out here giving you the real baptism. The children have a soft area here at first, but when your ego and superego both develop it becomes calcified. This is what you can see with your naked eyes, the pulsation of this Kundalini in the triangular bone, sacrum, and the raising of it and breaking here. This you cannot do like jumping and all standing on your head or taking out your clothes. Aside: He’s enjoying the joke… So there is already a force within us which has to come up, which has to, here to here, and you have to feel that collectivity within yourself, actualising on your fingers. Evolution is a living force, you cannot pay dead money for that. You cannot pay money for sprouting a seed and it sprouts through its primule, the germinating force. In the same way you will only through your Kundalini awakening get your realisation, there is no other way out. These two forces give rise to the left and the right sympathetic, and the central one what you have achieved here, up to this point, is the parasympathetic, gives rise to. Now, these things you cannot create by paying money, by standing on your head, or asking to fly. By the way, why do you want to fly? Do you want to become now birds? You are already flying with your brain so, so well equipped. Now the person, who says he is a holy person, as I told you, doesn’t take anything from you. He has to be an absolutely a pure person. If he lives on your money or on the passions and the greed and the lust on which you are living, what is so great about it? He has to be the master of himself at least, and not a slave of lust and greed. Such a person can only give you realisation, that mastery which he has got. It is like learning driving for a person who has never seen a car. They play upon your psyche by taking you to the right or to the left. Left side is all your subconscious area, and the collective subconscious. On the right hand side is your supraconscious area, and beyond is your collective supraconscious. And here is in superconsciousness in which you have to jump, so that you become subtler to become one with the all apervading subtle power of God which is Divine Love. So what they do is to throw you onto your collective subconscious or collective supraconscious, collective subconscious on this side, or collective supraconscious on the other side, on the right side. That is, they mesmerise you. All your mesmerism, ESP, all those things are nothing but possession by spirit. I’ve had enough experience of that. There was a little petite girl in America, from Cuba who used to drink a complete neat whiskey bottle, direct like that. And her husband brought her to Me to be cured, and I saw on her the possession. I asked her, do you know any very well built negro? She said “I see him, he is in me, he comes on me, and he drinks this whiskey and I get the bad name.” When I removed that possession she was a normal person. All mental cases are due to this kind of a possession. Many people do not want to believe in ghosts. Is a very healthy attitude, but if they exist I have to work on them. Now, these people become experts on inviting this possession onto you. They mesmerise you through these possessions which are in their hands. Some of them are the greatest demons born long time back in India, about whom lots have been written. They have powers to mesmerise thousands of people through their eyes, through their talks, through their image. And they have practised new methods of attacking the saints and that is all they have practising to bring about all this kind of a nonsense which we call as the fake gurudom. I came to Switzerland last year with my husband, and Gregoire took Me to one of the centres here, showing that Mother, please, make something out of this centre, it’s doing very wrong things for the Swiss people. And within eight days the nurse who was helping this man to murder and give injections to people fell in love with a policeman, and the fellow was caught up and he was sent to jail for fourteen years. I must say you people are really very clever. In India they are trying their level best to catch these gurus, but not easy because they do not fall into the frames of law. There is a guru in India who makes Indian women naked with his mesmerism, takes their photo, blows them up and sells them in America. And he is making a big money and he had one broken cycle, now he has a Mercedes and all kinds of things. He calls himself god and he cannot smell a flower. And when you go to meet him, everybody, they smell you to find out if there is any good perfume you are wearing. There are thousand names of God in Indian scriptures, at least eleven of them are that He is fond of very good fragrance, He is fond of flowers, He is fond of lotus, He is fond of all that the Mother Earth is offering, take flowers to Him, these are the names. We also here in the churches, we take flowers. Can you imagine we are not allowed to take flowers in a church? There is one who cannot stand the light of a candle. Another one is afraid of the garlic. If they are afraid of garlic, the vegetable, what are they going to do in this life? Still people are so mad, they go prostrate before them. It’s a big joke going on. They give you a name, and a dress. One of them wants you to wear suits which are worn by bureaucrats. He carries people in a gold, gilded chair, saying they are great, you see. And people are quite befooled by that, they think they are great people. So just imagine how foolish people are. If you are really foolish then what can you do about it? But you are so beautiful inside, why are you carried away by these people, I can’t understand. There are so many types that I cannot describe all of them. But going to these gurus you get heart attacks, epilepsy and cancer and so many such diseases which I am curing, Myself. And if you tell a word against those gurus they don’t like it, because they are so much hypnotised. We had a girl who had multiple sclerosis and when we asked her to give up her guru she got all right. Of course, we, there are some ways by which you can raise the Kundalini and all that. But again she fell back to the same guru, and she had a funny romanticism about this man; horrible looking fellow, at least fifty years older than her. I don’t know how to explain to this foolish girl, she will never see the point, she is very much mesmerised. She is a young girl of sixteen years. Imagine thousands of them are like this, paying for their stupidity. My work is tremendous. We are finding it impossible because they come to My program and they come out with all their funny fits and tantrums. But when the Kundalini rises there is no outer expression of it, except that you become first thoughtlessly aware when She crosses the Agnya chakra, and that when She crosses this you start feeling the radiation of your Spirit flowing through you as cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. You feel your peace and silence within yourself, and then when you start using this power that is flowing through you, you realise that it is all activated on your fingers, and on your palms. You can feel your own centres whichever are not all right. That is self realisation, to know about your centres. I’ll tell you the story of Gregoire. He had a very bad Agnya. Agnya means ego. But if you tell somebody he has ego, he’ll hit you hard. That time he had this ego problem and then he went to mountains or some place where he saw his colossal ego. And he came to Me frightened, he said, Mother, was I Napoleon in my last life? If I was, don’t tell me, otherwise I’ll jump in the sea. I said, what makes you think like that? He said he used to draw from his childhood very well and it intrigued him. Moreover, he had a bad Agnya. But then he saw the colossal ego. All these combinations are dangerous. I told him that you were not Napoleon, don’t worry. That’s how you start seeing your ego and superego, means your conditionings. Then you learn how to clear them. The power that we have is limited here. When you use any one of these methods, even acupuncture or any method, you exhaust this power, whatever is there available. It is done through the sympathetic activity, over activity of the sympathetic nervous system. For example, this is the centre and the left and the right are pulling energy, whatever is stored here. And when the energy is too much pulled, these separate and no connection is left with the main, with the whole. They become on their own. And once they become on their own, they start growing more than the rest. That is how malignancies set in, become cancer. That’s how we become cancer. Like our nose starts growing more than our body. So to compensate this, we have to get this energy flowing all the time. Supposing you are going in the car and the petrol is about to be finished, you’ll have tension. But supposing you have some means by which you have unlimited energy flowing through you, you will be perfect. That is how it cures cancer. It is very simple. All vital things are very simple because they are so important. If you have to read books for breathing, what will happen to the people? Reading has nothing to do whatsoever with your self realisation. Then those who cannot read you mean to say they will not get their realisation? Whether we read or not, we laugh the same way, eat the same way, digest the food same way. In the same way we’ll have our self realisation also. Actually, our spirit resides in our heart. But in the ego-oriented societies, the ego developed so high and the heart is here, it is completely clogged with ego. And when, when ego is too much, then you cannot even feel the heart. Then you start developing a new method of heart imaginary feeling, hearts imaginary feeling. And even at the age of eighty years they’ll have Romeos and Juliettes, and as far as their married life is concerned is absurd. So this self realisation takes place, because it is free thing that has to happen to every human being. But somebody has to tell you about it. Because only in human condition you are going to get it, when you understand everything. First time evolution is taking in one’s awareness. When fish became a tortoise it was not aware of its transformation. But you will be aware of your transformation, and it will happen in your conscious effort, conscious mind. That means, first time in your conscious mind the spirit will be emitting its forces. So far you have not felt the spirit, but spirit knows you. By Kundalini awakening the spirit starts radiating through your conscious mind, so everything absolute starts manifesting. Now, if you want to know there is God or not, you just ask the question and the vibrations will come like a big wave at your hands. Ask for anyone who is a person, as a guru whether he is fake, if he is a fake your vibrations will stop completely. If you, he is a realised soul you’ll get vibrations coming in. All absolute questions can be answered. In India, where people are not that intelligent or so much their rationality is not so overdeveloped as it is in the West, it is very easy for them to feel the joy of their spirit. Because rationality takes you away from wisdom. You can rationalise even murdering. Because of rationality and because of rational rambling, when people get realisation in the West they first become more aware of their attention. They want to know more about chakras and everything. They want to study all about it, and verify it with vibrations. But a simple person just gets the joy and the vibrations, and he is so happy he doesn’t want to know anything about it. He is at such a level that wherever he stands, he emits vibrations. We have one person in India, who is about I think eighty eight years of age, and he is very active. He told Me, “I want to go and cure one of the persons who was very sick.” So I said, how will you treat that person? He said, “I will take him in my lap and put his heart to mine and he’ll be all right.” And he was all right. It is so simple. So self realisation everyone has to get because the time has come, the blossom time has come. Many will have to have. I’m happy I’m in Switzerland, I hope the beginning may be small but I’m sure many will get it, and it will spread fast. Tomorrow what am I speaking about? Tomorrow I’ll give you more idea about all these chakras and the collective consciousness and everything. Thank you very much. If they have any questions you can ask Me. Question: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: The medicine has recognised, not I wouldn’t say they have not because that wouldn’t be justified. They have, but if curing cancer with whatever human awareness you have, you cannot do it. You have to become a realised soul. Now, the doctors are not realised souls, you see. We have a doctor here with us. We have many doctors also in Sahaja Yoga.. And another thing is that, for example in India, when I cured our President, he told our Health Secretary to come and see Me, and he came and saw Me for three hours, and he said that “we want it to be started through our Government”. He wanted to spread it because we have seven hundred million people, and we cannot even give them homeopathic medicine because it is such a vast majority. But because it works en-masse so if you can start your Sahaja Yoga, we are willing to go all out for it and help you. I told them, I will. On one condition, I don’t want any Parliament question. Because I am not having any money for it, nothing, everybody will do free work. Only thing what you can help Me is publicity, that’s all. Nothing more is needed, or a place where I can do it. And I do not want any Parliament question about it, because our Parliament is bound by all the things, in which we have got there (check please). Anything extra curricular, they will jump on us. Though I’m not taking any money, I don’t need anything. I will spend My own money, everything. Now it is in a little, I would say, in a melting pot because for Me I am not interested in only curing cancer. Because there is no end to it, isn’t it? What’s the use of curing the cancer, (inaudible) If the people are sick, if they want realisation, then there is some sense. Now think from my point of view. Now supposing a person is not willing to take realisation. If I cure, what is the use? God can make many people, human beings in this world. What is the use? But if he is taking realisation, automatically his cancer is be cured. There are many patients whose cancer is cured, who are with us, already Sahaja Yogis. But we do not want to go to the hospital and do the job. Moreover the doctors may not accept because you are not supposed to pay any money. They will not. They are taking up as a profession. This is a very noble thing which maybe doctors will not accept, at all. But things are working out. I am sure within two years it would be accepted by some method, but one thing I do not know that they can charge money. They cannot. If they charge money, their vibrations would be lost. It’s definite. So it has to be a very pure person who can do it. Now how many persons I can attend in cancer? I can attend thousands of them. I can cure them, no doubt. But for that also a proper organisation has to be done. If I do that, it should not sort of be another headache. Because I’m only interested in giving realisation, not cancer curing. That’s not my job. It’s just a byproduct, and as a byproduct if it does, well and good. But not only on cancer patients, because what’s the use you just tell me? You see, you want to improve this instrument, if it is not going to be used, isn’t it? In the same way God doesn’t want to improve people who are used. Question: inaudible ? Shri Mataji: I don’t understand them. I talked to the doctors in India, we had a big conference with medical professions and in the medical institute, and they were all enamoured by it, they said, we should do it, and all that. But I said, for that, first of all you will have to become Sahaja Yogis, you will have to become realised. And that takes no money, nothing. But they are so ego-oriented, I tell you, you will be amazed. Even scientists are very ego-oriented. You will be amazed how they are, even psychologists are very ego-oriented. They cannot understand a ordinary housewife like Me can say this can happen. Though, when they get sick they come to Me. There is a very well known psychologist, this professor Adler, you must have heard about his name, he is the chief of the Jung. You see, the whole of Jung, and he had some problem with an artery he came to me for treatment, but he said treatment is different and the other is different. No, he is not interested. Question: ? Shri Mataji: Yes, they can become very good people also. We have so many people now coming in London who are spiritualists. They get it and they are all right, they are out of it. Because, I have to tell them the truth, you see, this is not good for you. Because this is not your power, it’s the power of some spirit. So you should have your own powers. So they are very nice and they are improved. They are so many like that. In London, I have so many people who are, and in India also we have quite a lot of them. They come to Me, they get cured completely and they become self realised, you see, because this is your own power. Why to take the power of any dead personality? Yes, all of them, all of them. But first of all, it’s better to handle simpler things in a situation like this. Now we have just started in Switzerland, so I would like to work more on Switzerland and, I mean people can get realisation and we can work it out. And then we can go to difficult (inaudible). Now we are having very permutations and combinations of all kinds no coming to me. Yes. Any others questions? It was good of you. I really tell you, I am Myself amazed why don’t they come. I have been saying this for the last, so many, ten years. Ten of them, but it vacates it when they come. Many come. Microbiology? Will you please write to him, and tell him that somebody like this exists? And will he ever, whenever he wants I can go and see him personally and do whatever he wants. Impossible. Impossible. Impossible. It’s all. You see, by what you eat is not the point. It’s not the point at all, what you eat, how you live. Then all the vegetables. You see, the cows in India eat only vegetables. You see, has he shown anybody getting realisation? I can show so many of them here who have got realisation. Who are feeling vibrations, who are transformed, who are giving realisation to others, who have seen kundalini rising, who I have cured of cancer. Now has he done anyone like that? You see, the proof of the pudding is in the	null	null	null	First of all, I’m very grateful to Gregoire’s family and him specially, for inviting Me to come to Switzerland to meet seekers of Truth. According to him, there are many, many seekers in this country, who are frightened of the fake gurus and are not venturing to find out much about God. Today he has selected a subject for Me to speak to you about the false gurus; how to find out who is false and who is true. It is very important because now the Judgement time, the Last Judgement has started already. This is the time it will be found out whether you have used your understanding wisely or not. We have to think that when somebody has to judge us, how will he organise the judgement. First of all, there will be good and bad placed before you. In your freedom, in human freedom, you have been seeking truth for many lives. But sometimes you are misled, you try to seek it in money or in power also, and sometimes also the romanticism of love. And every time you have made some mistakes also. Mistakes are not so important because those who are not yet there are, have to make mistakes. Moreover, if mistakes are committed by your spiritual naïveness, it is to be forgiven. After you have understood what is reality and when you have achieved reality, then only one can judge you whether you are all right or not. It would not be a fair chance to a person if you ask him to enter into a dark room and then start judging his seeing power. He must be given a full understanding and also an awakening to see what is around. That means you have to achieve a better understanding through evolutionary method. That also means that your consciousness at human level is not sufficient enough to see the whole. So there is an urge to find out your wholesomeness all over the world. I find in the West there are many saints born who are seeking. But they are lost in the confusion of materialism. If they could understand what is reality and could feel it, I’m sure, they’ll go in for reality and not for fake. By self-realisation you see your reality, you feel your reality, your absolute, that is your self. Because before that you lived in the realm of relativity. All human enterprises in political, or economic field are all relative. You have to find the absolute and that is your only urge behind all the other urges. When this urge is very great and when people understand that there is a market for such an urge, people come with their own economic enterprises in the field. It is but natural for evil to react like that. Apart from that, if human beings have to rise to a higher consciousness, there must be a satanic effort also to pull them down. As self-realisation is the last jump into your reality. It’s all right, leave it, they are playing, all right. It’s all right. What’s wrong? Let him play. As realisation is the last jump into your awareness in this Last Judgement, it is a very, very important event in the whole universe. Because of this emergency there is a cropping up of very cunning, hypocritical forces which will try to retard this process of realisation. There were demons born before also, demonic forces came into being, but one by one, not at the time. But in modern times you find them so many, somehow or other, born like mushrooms. Some of them are really poisonous, dangerous and some of them are useless. I’ve been saying about it since 1970, but people did not like it. Now, one thing you must understand: a person who is of a higher consciousness can never accept a parasitic life, he cannot depend on anybody for his maintenance. That means you cannot sell God in the market. You cannot pay even a single pai for that, it is so invaluable that you cannot insult it by talking about His sale. This is one of the tests one should put to anything that is selling in the name of God. A person who is holy only gives. He may not give you material things but he gives the supreme. Shri Krishna has said: Yoga-kṣhemaṁ vahāmyaham – when you get your yoga, when you get union with God, you also get your well-being after that, after that. So you cannot give anything to a person who calls himself to be holy or anything to do with meditation, and you cannot have a courses of God’s realisation. You cannot go to a college to get a course on God’s realisation. It would be like a seed going to a school to learn how to sprout, or an egg going to a school to learn how to become a bird. It is that absurd. You cannot learn, it is the becoming, what you become. You cannot learn what you become. For example, you cannot go to a school… if monkeys are sent to a school they cannot become human beings. In education you can at the most change the outer being, but not the base of a particular gene or… if you are a human being, you’ll remain a human being. We have become, from amoeba to this stage, a human being. What did we do, to what school did we go, how much money did we pay, how many times did we stand on our heads? We have got everything spontaneously, it’s all spontaneous, it is all God’s grace which works it out. You cannot do it. In the same way you cannot get your realisation by standing on your heads or paying money for it. But some of the horrible people, who decided to exploit the market, first studied the people who are the seekers. They divided seekers into three groups: those who have money, those who don’t have much money, means who are seeking in money, and those who are seeking power. And they came out in three groups. First of all they said that, “unless and until you take money from the people who have money, they will have no value for this”. It was a psychological trick. They say that, “they will feel that they have paid for it so they must go through it.” Like you go to a theatre and you pay a lot of money and it’s horrible drama, but still you have to go through because you paid for it. And you just don’t complain to each other lest one may get up and go away, and continue with it. So they have used this psychological question of impressing on you that you have to pay money. And because we are also – have been doing all such things – paying money for religion, we understood it very well. We should see how much money did we pay to Christ. He was just sold for thirty rupees and was crucified. This is what we gave to Him, this is what we gave to Him. And these people are taking money from us. There’s one guru who is taking money and having a bed full of diamonds, how can he be anywhere near God? That’s why Christ took a hunter and hit all those people who were having a sale in the church. It’s all kinds of funny jugglery going on, has been, since long, about religion, because it pampers your ego. I met a gentleman who was a Jew, and he told Me that he wants Me to get him a small little box from India, of gold, with diamonds embedded, and he was a rich man, he would like to pay any amount for that. So I asked him, “what are you going to do about it?” He said, “I have got a very expensive Bible which is minutely written, you can only read it with a magnifying glass, which I’m going to put here in that and going to tie to my hand – arm.” So I told him, “what will you do with that?” He said, “oh, that’s how God is going to forgive all my sins.” I asked him, “do you think God wants some bribery for it?”. He was shocked at My remark. He said, “this is blasphemous. Don’t say like that.” So conditioned we are to this money that we cannot separate God from money. When we meet such people, we go to the other side and say there is no God and deny it. That is also the act of ego. If you have not known God, you should say, “let’s see and wait: if it is there, we’ll accept, if it is not there we’ll not say anything.” There are many others, I’ve seen, who are paying lot of money to churches and temples in India while they are doing no God’s work except, for all kinds of social services they are providing. I lived near a cathedral in London and the only activity the whole day there is going on, is the emptying of the barrels of beer. I feel London has gone down so much in drinks that even if you go to listen to any carols, you don’t know where they are going, where the tune is moving. Everything is so shrillen out of tune and they cannot correlate with each other that you don’t know what to do. So many young people all over the world have denounced all these traditional religions, because they see to the shell of religion but not to the spirit of religion. I had a disciple from Algeria who got his realisation, who is a young man, who is a Muslim; he went back to his country and he gave realisation to five hundred of his age group who were all a communist, atheist. So it happens that when we think money is very important, we go to a guru who charges the most. As if people go to races which is the most expensive. So the most expensive guru makes the most of the disciples also. Now the other thing they do is to, apart from courses, they give some sort of a funny mantra. In a country where, I mean, in India, where people know what mantras are really, nobody can befool them. They are befooled by something else. If some juggler takes out a diamond out of his hand, Indians will be very much excited. And in the villages, even if they distribute some few coins, they’ll be over excited about that. But in the West people are more impressed if somebody can take their money, where they can spend some money, because that is the expression of ego. As you have got Saint Tropez, where people just go to spend their money, because they don’t know what to do with their money. They can also believe that they are doing some spiritual work there. It is something on that basis when the money is involved in spiritual life. Then one must understand that you cannot do anything about your self realisation. There is a candle here which is enlightened, and can enlighten many other candles. And the best enlightened candle cannot, best candle cannot get enlightened unless and until it is enlightened by an enlightened light. Whatever the candle may try, stand on its head or do whatever it can or pay any amount, it cannot get enlightened. The unenlightened light is also, about to be enlightened, is just ready for it. But something has to happen within. This is what we should know, that when you go to any fake guru what happening takes place. I’m having samples of all kinds of funny happenings that these gurus are producing through their disciples. Only about eight days back there was a gentleman from some very expensive guru and he showed Me what happens to him: all his eyes became stuck and his hands started going and feet started going on both the sides and he came on the edge of the chair and he put his mouth, puffed his mouth and as if he is about to breath out, but he would not. So I thought he’ll collapse. I said breath in, breath in. He could not breath in even. So it was a horrible condition and we all were shocked at his condition. In India there were three-four people who came in an Indian gathering and they started taking out all their clothes and becoming naked. For Indian society it is too much to see anybody nude, most embarrassing it was. And they were about to remove the last of their dresses, I said, now what are you up to? So they said, “to show our health, spiritual happening we have to become nude and dance. The other day in Paris I met somebody whose every muscle was twisting in every way and he was going into funny convulsions. I have cured the cancer of many people in this work of Mine, I’ve even cured the cancer of our president of India and I have seen that most of these cancer patients come from this black magic or left sided, what we call, the gurus and all sorts of infections. Apart from that so many I have seen from other gurus who teach them under courses and take a lot of money, they suffer from epilepsy of a very serious nature. Some of them who came to Me got such a shock that it was all wrong because they had all become bankrupt, they were very rich people. They went to see the doctors and the doctors said that there is a theta wave in their brain. And they said yes, this is what sect theta wave. So the doctors said this is only for the epilepsy patients you get this wave. There was a lady, daughter of a Duke in London, who had become absolutely mad and her head was pulled backward and she would sit like this, screaming loudly for hours together. She had lost all her money and every hope to comeback. Even her husband, in the same condition, not so bad, came to Me, both of them screaming, shouting and jumping. So they told, I asked them, what have you been doing? They told Me, “we have been learning flying.” I said, why don’t you ask your guru to fly, for a change. At least if he can fly than he can teach you. So we come to this point that we must verify from others what have they achieved through their practices and spending of money. They may just tell you that they feel very nice, they feel very happy as the drunkard says after taking some drink. But this is of no value. You should exactly know what is happening to him and whether there is any transformation in his temperament. I have seen some gurus put such speed into human beings that you cannot understand them what they are speaking. Their words go telescopically into each other, and some of them make them so mild that they become like worms. They cannot explain how it happened. Now I will tell you what they do. You can see here a human being. Aside: Can you, all of you… This is what you are, in the subtle form. These centres exist within you. These centres manifest outside the gross plexuses: this one is pelvic plexus, aortic plexus, solar plexus, this is cardiac plexus, this is cervical plexus. This centre is between the pituitary and the pineal which controls them and vis a vis controls the ego and the superego. This is the central part of your ascent. Already God has placed the energy within you called as Kundalini here, like a germinating power in a seat. This has to rise, go through all these centres and open out here giving you the real baptism. The children have a soft area here at first, but when your ego and superego both develop it becomes calcified. This is what you can see with your naked eyes, the pulsation of this Kundalini in the triangular bone, sacrum, and the raising of it and breaking here. This you cannot do like jumping and all standing on your head or taking out your clothes. Aside: He’s enjoying the joke… So there is already a force within us which has to come up, which has to, here to here, and you have to feel that collectivity within yourself, actualising on your fingers. Evolution is a living force, you cannot pay dead money for that. You cannot pay money for sprouting a seed and it sprouts through its primule, the germinating force. In the same way you will only through your Kundalini awakening get your realisation, there is no other way out. These two forces give rise to the left and the right sympathetic, and the central one what you have achieved here, up to this point, is the parasympathetic, gives rise to. Now, these things you cannot create by paying money, by standing on your head, or asking to fly. By the way, why do you want to fly? Do you want to become now birds? You are already flying with your brain so, so well equipped. Now the person, who says he is a holy person, as I told you, doesn’t take anything from you. He has to be an absolutely a pure person. If he lives on your money or on the passions and the greed and the lust on which you are living, what is so great about it? He has to be the master of himself at least, and not a slave of lust and greed. Such a person can only give you realisation, that mastery which he has got. It is like learning driving for a person who has never seen a car. They play upon your psyche by taking you to the right or to the left. Left side is all your subconscious area, and the collective subconscious. On the right hand side is your supraconscious area, and beyond is your collective supraconscious. And here is in superconsciousness in which you have to jump, so that you become subtler to become one with the all apervading subtle power of God which is Divine Love. So what they do is to throw you onto your collective subconscious or collective supraconscious, collective subconscious on this side, or collective supraconscious on the other side, on the right side. That is, they mesmerise you. All your mesmerism, ESP, all those things are nothing but possession by spirit. I’ve had enough experience of that. There was a little petite girl in America, from Cuba who used to drink a complete neat whiskey bottle, direct like that. And her husband brought her to Me to be cured, and I saw on her the possession. I asked her, do you know any very well built negro? She said “I see him, he is in me, he comes on me, and he drinks this whiskey and I get the bad name.” When I removed that possession she was a normal person. All mental cases are due to this kind of a possession. Many people do not want to believe in ghosts. Is a very healthy attitude, but if they exist I have to work on them. Now, these people become experts on inviting this possession onto you. They mesmerise you through these possessions which are in their hands. Some of them are the greatest demons born long time back in India, about whom lots have been written. They have powers to mesmerise thousands of people through their eyes, through their talks, through their image. And they have practised new methods of attacking the saints and that is all they have practising to bring about all this kind of a nonsense which we call as the fake gurudom. I came to Switzerland last year with my husband, and Gregoire took Me to one of the centres here, showing that Mother, please, make something out of this centre, it’s doing very wrong things for the Swiss people. And within eight days the nurse who was helping this man to murder and give injections to people fell in love with a policeman, and the fellow was caught up and he was sent to jail for fourteen years. I must say you people are really very clever. In India they are trying their level best to catch these gurus, but not easy because they do not fall into the frames of law. There is a guru in India who makes Indian women naked with his mesmerism, takes their photo, blows them up and sells them in America. And he is making a big money and he had one broken cycle, now he has a Mercedes and all kinds of things. He calls himself god and he cannot smell a flower. And when you go to meet him, everybody, they smell you to find out if there is any good perfume you are wearing. There are thousand names of God in Indian scriptures, at least eleven of them are that He is fond of very good fragrance, He is fond of flowers, He is fond of lotus, He is fond of all that the Mother Earth is offering, take flowers to Him, these are the names. We also here in the churches, we take flowers. Can you imagine we are not allowed to take flowers in a church? There is one who cannot stand the light of a candle. Another one is afraid of the garlic. If they are afraid of garlic, the vegetable, what are they going to do in this life? Still people are so mad, they go prostrate before them. It’s a big joke going on. They give you a name, and a dress. One of them wants you to wear suits which are worn by bureaucrats. He carries people in a gold, gilded chair, saying they are great, you see. And people are quite befooled by that, they think they are great people. So just imagine how foolish people are. If you are really foolish then what can you do about it? But you are so beautiful inside, why are you carried away by these people, I can’t understand. There are so many types that I cannot describe all of them. But going to these gurus you get heart attacks, epilepsy and cancer and so many such diseases which I am curing, Myself. And if you tell a word against those gurus they don’t like it, because they are so much hypnotised. We had a girl who had multiple sclerosis and when we asked her to give up her guru she got all right. Of course, we, there are some ways by which you can raise the Kundalini and all that. But again she fell back to the same guru, and she had a funny romanticism about this man; horrible looking fellow, at least fifty years older than her. I don’t know how to explain to this foolish girl, she will never see the point, she is very much mesmerised. She is a young girl of sixteen years. Imagine thousands of them are like this, paying for their stupidity. My work is tremendous. We are finding it impossible because they come to My program and they come out with all their funny fits and tantrums. But when the Kundalini rises there is no outer expression of it, except that you become first thoughtlessly aware when She crosses the Agnya chakra, and that when She crosses this you start feeling the radiation of your Spirit flowing through you as cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. You feel your peace and silence within yourself, and then when you start using this power that is flowing through you, you realise that it is all activated on your fingers, and on your palms. You can feel your own centres whichever are not all right. That is self realisation, to know about your centres. I’ll tell you the story of Gregoire. He had a very bad Agnya. Agnya means ego. But if you tell somebody he has ego, he’ll hit you hard. That time he had this ego problem and then he went to mountains or some place where he saw his colossal ego. And he came to Me frightened, he said, Mother, was I Napoleon in my last life? If I was, don’t tell me, otherwise I’ll jump in the sea. I said, what makes you think like that? He said he used to draw from his childhood very well and it intrigued him. Moreover, he had a bad Agnya. But then he saw the colossal ego. All these combinations are dangerous. I told him that you were not Napoleon, don’t worry. That’s how you start seeing your ego and superego, means your conditionings. Then you learn how to clear them. The power that we have is limited here. When you use any one of these methods, even acupuncture or any method, you exhaust this power, whatever is there available. It is done through the sympathetic activity, over activity of the sympathetic nervous system. For example, this is the centre and the left and the right are pulling energy, whatever is stored here. And when the energy is too much pulled, these separate and no connection is left with the main, with the whole. They become on their own. And once they become on their own, they start growing more than the rest. That is how malignancies set in, become cancer. That’s how we become cancer. Like our nose starts growing more than our body. So to compensate this, we have to get this energy flowing all the time. Supposing you are going in the car and the petrol is about to be finished, you’ll have tension. But supposing you have some means by which you have unlimited energy flowing through you, you will be perfect. That is how it cures cancer. It is very simple. All vital things are very simple because they are so important. If you have to read books for breathing, what will happen to the people? Reading has nothing to do whatsoever with your self realisation. Then those who cannot read you mean to say they will not get their realisation? Whether we read or not, we laugh the same way, eat the same way, digest the food same way. In the same way we’ll have our self realisation also. Actually, our spirit resides in our heart. But in the ego-oriented societies, the ego developed so high and the heart is here, it is completely clogged with ego. And when, when ego is too much, then you cannot even feel the heart. Then you start developing a new method of heart imaginary feeling, hearts imaginary feeling. And even at the age of eighty years they’ll have Romeos and Juliettes, and as far as their married life is concerned is absurd. So this self realisation takes place, because it is free thing that has to happen to every human being. But somebody has to tell you about it. Because only in human condition you are going to get it, when you understand everything. First time evolution is taking in one’s awareness. When fish became a tortoise it was not aware of its transformation. But you will be aware of your transformation, and it will happen in your conscious effort, conscious mind. That means, first time in your conscious mind the spirit will be emitting its forces. So far you have not felt the spirit, but spirit knows you. By Kundalini awakening the spirit starts radiating through your conscious mind, so everything absolute starts manifesting. Now, if you want to know there is God or not, you just ask the question and the vibrations will come like a big wave at your hands. Ask for anyone who is a person, as a guru whether he is fake, if he is a fake your vibrations will stop completely. If you, he is a realised soul you’ll get vibrations coming in. All absolute questions can be answered. In India, where people are not that intelligent or so much their rationality is not so overdeveloped as it is in the West, it is very easy for them to feel the joy of their spirit. Because rationality takes you away from wisdom. You can rationalise even murdering. Because of rationality and because of rational rambling, when people get realisation in the West they first become more aware of their attention. They want to know more about chakras and everything. They want to study all about it, and verify it with vibrations. But a simple person just gets the joy and the vibrations, and he is so happy he doesn’t want to know anything about it. He is at such a level that wherever he stands, he emits vibrations. We have one person in India, who is about I think eighty eight years of age, and he is very active. He told Me, “I want to go and cure one of the persons who was very sick.” So I said, how will you treat that person? He said, “I will take him in my lap and put his heart to mine and he’ll be all right.” And he was all right. It is so simple. So self realisation everyone has to get because the time has come, the blossom time has come. Many will have to have. I’m happy I’m in Switzerland, I hope the beginning may be small but I’m sure many will get it, and it will spread fast. Tomorrow what am I speaking about? Tomorrow I’ll give you more idea about all these chakras and the collective consciousness and everything. Thank you very much. If they have any questions you can ask Me. Question: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: The medicine has recognised, not I wouldn’t say they have not because that wouldn’t be justified. They have, but if curing cancer with whatever human awareness you have, you cannot do it. You have to become a realised soul. Now, the doctors are not realised souls, you see. We have a doctor here with us. We have many doctors also in Sahaja Yoga.. And another thing is that, for example in India, when I cured our President, he told our Health Secretary to come and see Me, and he came and saw Me for three hours, and he said that “we want it to be started through our Government”. He wanted to spread it because we have seven hundred million people, and we cannot even give them homeopathic medicine because it is such a vast majority. But because it works en-masse so if you can start your Sahaja Yoga, we are willing to go all out for it and help you. I told them, I will. On one condition, I don’t want any Parliament question. Because I am not having any money for it, nothing, everybody will do free work. Only thing what you can help Me is publicity, that’s all. Nothing more is needed, or a place where I can do it. And I do not want any Parliament question about it, because our Parliament is bound by all the things, in which we have got there (check please). Anything extra curricular, they will jump on us. Though I’m not taking any money, I don’t need anything. I will spend My own money, everything. Now it is in a little, I would say, in a melting pot because for Me I am not interested in only curing cancer. Because there is no end to it, isn’t it? What’s the use of curing the cancer, (inaudible) If the people are sick, if they want realisation, then there is some sense. Now think from my point of view. Now supposing a person is not willing to take realisation. If I cure, what is the use? God can make many people, human beings in this world. What is the use? But if he is taking realisation, automatically his cancer is be cured. There are many patients whose cancer is cured, who are with us, already Sahaja Yogis. But we do not want to go to the hospital and do the job. Moreover the doctors may not accept because you are not supposed to pay any money. They will not. They are taking up as a profession. This is a very noble thing which maybe doctors will not accept, at all. But things are working out. I am sure within two years it would be accepted by some method, but one thing I do not know that they can charge money. They cannot. If they charge money, their vibrations would be lost. It’s definite. So it has to be a very pure person who can do it. Now how many persons I can attend in cancer? I can attend thousands of them. I can cure them, no doubt. But for that also a proper organisation has to be done. If I do that, it should not sort of be another headache. Because I’m only interested in giving realisation, not cancer curing. That’s not my job. It’s just a byproduct, and as a byproduct if it does, well and good. But not only on cancer patients, because what’s the use you just tell me? You see, you want to improve this instrument, if it is not going to be used, isn’t it? In the same way God doesn’t want to improve people who are used. Question: inaudible ? Shri Mataji: I don’t understand them. I talked to the doctors in India, we had a big conference with medical professions and in the medical institute, and they were all enamoured by it, they said, we should do it, and all that. But I said, for that, first of all you will have to become Sahaja Yogis, you will have to become realised. And that takes no money, nothing. But they are so ego-oriented, I tell you, you will be amazed. Even scientists are very ego-oriented. You will be amazed how they are, even psychologists are very ego-oriented. They cannot understand a ordinary housewife like Me can say this can happen. Though, when they get sick they come to Me. There is a very well known psychologist, this professor Adler, you must have heard about his name, he is the chief of the Jung. You see, the whole of Jung, and he had some problem with an artery he came to me for treatment, but he said treatment is different and the other is different. No, he is not interested. Question: ? Shri Mataji: Yes, they can become very good people also. We have so many people now coming in London who are spiritualists. They get it and they are all right, they are out of it. Because, I have to tell them the truth, you see, this is not good for you. Because this is not your power, it’s the power of some spirit. So you should have your own powers. So they are very nice and they are improved. They are so many like that. In London, I have so many people who are, and in India also we have quite a lot of them. They come to Me, they get cured completely and they become self realised, you see, because this is your own power. Why to take the power of any dead personality? Yes, all of them, all of them. But first of all, it’s better to handle simpler things in a situation like this. Now we have just started in Switzerland, so I would like to work more on Switzerland and, I mean people can get realisation and we can work it out. And then we can go to difficult (inaudible). Now we are having very permutations and combinations of all kinds no coming to me. Yes. Any others questions? It was good of you. I really tell you, I am Myself amazed why don’t they come. I have been saying this for the last, so many, ten years. Ten of them, but it vacates it when they come. Many come. Microbiology? Will you please write to him, and tell him that somebody like this exists? And will he ever, whenever he wants I can go and see him personally and do whatever he wants. Impossible. Impossible. Impossible. It’s all. You see, by what you eat is not the point. It’s not the point at all, what you eat, how you live. Then all the vegetables. You see, the cows in India eat only vegetables. You see, has he shown anybody getting realisation? I can show so many of them here who have got realisation. Who are feeling vibrations, who are transformed, who are giving realisation to others, who have seen kundalini rising, who I have cured of cancer. Now has he done anyone like that? You see, the proof of the pudding is in the
4/27/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6729	Sahaja Yoga the force within	Switzerland	Lausanne	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	77	Public Program. Lausanne (Switzerland), 27 April 1980. [un-transcribed Q&A section] Sorry, I do not know how to speak in French language. But Christine knows both the languages very well and I’m sure, she’ll be able to translate what I say very well. (Laughs…) Very shy, alright…I’m thankful to Grégoire for organising this program, and for the nice introductory lecture he gave. I think I could not follow the whole of it, but quiet [quite] a lot I could understand what he is saying. I admire his bravery. I wish they [there] were such brave people at the time of Christ. But I am the only lucky person I think who has got such brave people around, who are not afraid to give the message of the truth. People don’t like the truth at all. We are so identified with our ignorance that anybody tries to tell something else, we just defy it. But that is the source of joy. That is the source of bliss. In ignorance we live in confusion and in turbulence of our emotions. When we face truth, and achieve it, and become it, then it becomes a beautiful blossoming for us. The fear comes to us through our conditioning within us. We have been told many things which never came true. And sometimes the denial comes to us because we are very much identified with our ego. Ego actually delimits us. Because it thinks and we think that what we think that we are. If we think we are the king, do we become kings? People will call us a stupid fool, if we announce that we are kings. So…think…sorry… So, one should not believe that what we think…that we are. Ego can take you to a very imaginary flight of stupidity. The worst thing about ego is that one does not recognise that he is having a ego trip. On the contrary, if you are pestered by your conditioning, you recognise, because it gives you some physical pain, maybe some mental torture. And if you recognise also there is ego, and you start fighting it, it starts bloating like a balloon which is hitted back. So, no use also condemning ourselves for our ego or superego…our conditioning. Both of them have their purpose in our life. When their purpose is served, they are sucked into your being. ([My cup? Marcus] If you put it there, I will be better off. Can you see Me?) In this picture, we have drawn to show what we are in a deeper way. But you need not accept whatever I say because I do not want any blind faith to prosper. But you must keep yourself open, because this is a deeper, subtler knowledge. You should accept as a hypothesis, like a scientist accepts any hypothesis that is put forward. But later on, if it is proved alright, then you have to accept it as a law. Fortunately I’m facing you at a time when we can prove it. Say, at the time of Christ, they were no people who would sit like this and listen to him, who were intellectuals. They were ordinary fishermen. But today I’m so lucky, that I can face you and tell you what exactly is within you. Because human beings are now matured to that state, where they can understand it and can achieve it. I call it: it is the Blossom Time. And that is how many people – thousands, can be transformed into a new being. When God made you, brought you to this state of human beings, He worked it very beautifully through your evolutionary process. Now, we have to think why God has made us – sometimes we must think what is the purpose of our existence? And also all the scientists must ask a question: “How did we evolve, how did we evolve from amoeba stage to this?” I will in brief tell you, how the whole thing has worked out. All these centres you see here, which are seven in number, are the milestones of our evolution. As I have told you yesterday, they manifest the gross plexuses within us. But just now I’m talking about the subtle centres which are in our middle [medulla] oblongata,or you can call it the spinal cord, and partly in the brain. Here, in the triangular bone is placed your germinating power which is going to give you your second birth. This bone is called as sacrum. Sacrum means sacred. Because this bone cannot be burned, even if a person dies, …dies and is burnt. That means even the Greeks knew about it. This germinating power resides within us, which rises on these centres, and gives us our second birth. This is how you are going to breakthrough into a new awareness. This second birth gives you a second birth. This is a happening, which is spontaneous, which cannot be manoeuvred by you. It’s a living process, that works out within you: as you have become a human being, you become the other, by this process. Sahaja means “born with you”. Means spontaneous. Yoga means: “the union with the Divine”. Also yoga means deftness -Kaushalam- Ah… the deftness is the… the technique of…yes…the spiritual, or we can say the Divine technique. So, Sahaja Yoga means: “The spontaneous union with God”. Spontaneous means living process. So you cannot put in any effort for it, but it just works like the way a seed sprouts. As I told you yesterday, only in the human beings, we know of our evolution in our awareness. So far you have not known how you evolve from amoeba to this state of a human being! Now: why ego and superego come into us I will try to explain. On the left hand-side, this left-hand side channel, which is called as Ida Nadi in Sanskrit language, is the one which gives you the desiring power, or the desiring capacity. This Nadi gives you your past. This Nadi on the right-hand side, which is shown here in yellow colour, called as Pingala Nadi, which is responsible for your creative power. You use the power of this Nadi, when you live in the future, when you plan about the future. The centre Nadi is called as Sushumna. And this represents your evolution so far, up to this point. So, up to this point you are a human being, and there is a gap in between. Whatever you are, is expressed through your central nervous system. For example, human beings understand beauty of nature. They can discriminate filth and dirt, and also clean place like Lausanne. But, if you ask an animal to pass through filth and dirt, he doesn’t mind. Now, when you are not realised, that time when you start working with your left side, then you develop a pouch here like a balloon, which is called as superego, is all the conditionings. You read books, you condition yourself. people say: “Don’t do, don’t do”. All those things accumulate here as superego. For example… (Sorry…sorry)…For example, if a mother is nursing the child, and is… the child is removed from one to another side, then the child feels hurt about that, and his ego rises. And when she says: “Don’t do like that!”, his conditioning rises, superego. People like Freud started about the psyche which is the left side. He was not at all aware that there is also the right side we have. If you start de-conditioning your left side, by saying that: “What’s wrong, what’s wrong?” in anything, your right side will increase, and you will get a big ego just like that. In addition to that, some of the psychologists impress that we must nurture our ego. Apart from that, industrial revolution has brought in a more ego-oriented society. Materialism has given a greater push to that ego. People are known by what they dress and what they talk about. The sophisticated and the “elite” are the people who,who determine the norms of life. Then those who try to follow these norms get into a whirlpool of competition. It is a very big headache. To live in a ego-oriented society is not very easy. For example, I came from India for the first time to live in London, and in India we never used to serve drinks in My house. But My husband said: “Here nobody will come to your house if you have no drinks.” So I said: “They will come to meet us or to drink?” And in drunk condition, how will they know us? He said: “You will learn about them very soon”. Then he said we have to arrange for their drinks and we have to buy some tumblers. I was amazed that you have got tumblers for everything they are separate. The first lot of six tumblers and six sets we bought, we had to shell out about nine hundred pounds. It had to be first class because he is a…he is a diplomat you can say. I just couldn’t understand the justification; you can drink from one cup the same thing! Then for the pastry you must have a different fork, for another…another fork, like that it was a huge stuff! My house was so filled with things that I thought I’ll have to live outside. And amazed how people also were so much worried as to whether we have used things up to the norms or not. He had to buy a dictionary about all the alcohols you drink. My husband said he would have to go to a college to learn all about it. While in India he had never even served a glass of water to himself. It was a very big mess, and then I realised how people are thorn off by these so-called traditions. And that’s what I found with my neighbours, they were so nervous when they invited people to dinner; they were frantic for two days before and five days later. This is the problem of ego-oriented societies. And when the ego grows, it covers the whole of your brain. It presses onto completely, onto this superego. When the young people of these societies, western societies, discovered that it was too much, they could not go any further with it, they revolted against it. And they started a thing known as anti-culture. And they went into the other end. They pressed their ego so much down, and brought out their superego by drinking, drugs. This was the escape from your ego. Both things are wrong. You live in the centre. The development should be in the centre. If you go to one extreme or to the other extreme, we just get torn. Imbalance is created in our being. If you use too much of this side, then you get diseases like heart trouble, diabetes, kidney…also your uterus trouble, also sometimes you develop very great diseases like cancer. Now, cancer can be only cured by the Kundalini awakening. This I’ve been saying for the last ten years. Now, when I cured the cancer of our president in India, then they started thinking about it seriously. Otherwise, they would not listen to Me, they thought: This housewife, how can she cure cancer? On the other side, if you use your left side too much, like crying too much, weeping as the women always do…and the drugs that people use…you get into terrible mental problems and you may land up into mental homes. The nature gives you a control by checking it. For example, a person who is working very hard, he gets a heart attack. Now, imagine the heart is not for your mental activity. Your brain does the mental activity. But the heart goes out. They understand each other heart and brain. As friends, they control. Now, those who go too much onto the left hand-side, is like crying, weeping and hysterics, get into a problem where the brain goes off. Actually, sorry. Actually, the heart does all this emotional activity, but the brain goes out. I have a disciple, who is a psychiatrist, and he told me…amazingly he has found…that all the mental hospitals he has worked, the cardiograph machine has never been used. But medical science doesn’t see it comprehensively, because every science analyses. If you have temperature, you’ll have to go to the tooth…doctor…dental surgeon, then to the eye, then one other for the other eye. They’ll remove all your teeth, your eyes, to give you a certificate that you’re perfectly healthy. This is the condition of our medical science. Same about psychology. Even the psychologists get very much involved into the patients, and they get the same troubles as their patients have. Because they never deal with normal people, they always deal with pathological cases; ultimately they become pathological. In London now, I’m treating many psychologists. They do not understand how they get these things, but they just talk like lunatics. How are they going to cure anyone? They do not know how to protect themselves. Sahaja Yoga gives you the knowledge from within. When these centres are enlightened through Kundalini awakening, a new dimension is opening to you. When the Kundalini rises into this…above this…this centre, which is called as Agnya Chakra, where Christ resides, you become thoughtlessly aware. And when it pierces this point, which is called as Brahmarandra, then you become collectively conscious, and your hands starts radiating the spirit. The radiation of the spirit can be felt as cool breeze, as described in the Bible: “The cool breeze of the Holy Ghost”. The Kundalini is the reflection of the Holy Ghost within us. Even if you go to the realm of religion, people are so absurd and blind, that you cannot just talk to them. The other day, I met somebody in Paris, and when I started talking to him, he started giving me a sermon. He said that Immaculate Conception is such a fantastic thing that I cannot get over it. I said: “What is so…What is so fantastic? It is God! God can do anything!”. And if you cannot get over it, then you have really done a great harm to the whole, whole process of Immaculate Conception and to yourself. But he was telling me all kinds of stories which it was not relevance [relevant to] with the present. It is a human nature to escape the present. It either lives in the future or in the past, never in the present. A thought rises and falls down, again rises and falls down. The attention remains only on the [custs? cusps] of these waves of thought. Between the thoughts, there is…between these two thoughts, there is a space called as “Vilamba”. That is the present. But by brain-washing anybody, that: “You remain in present!”…you cannot do it. For that Kundalini has to rise. When she rises, then you steady yourself in thoughtless awareness. But this awareness is enlightened. So, in the religion area also, people believe in all kinds of artificiality. Because they will go into theosophical college, and come and give you baptism! How can you learn this in theosophical college? I said yesterday, that a egg will have to theosophical college to learn how to become a bird. It is not to know about it, but the becoming of it is important. You have to become. Becoming is the point you have to achieve. Not knowing about it. For example, Grégoire has written a book about Sahaja Yoga, about two hundred fifty pages, very beautiful. By reading that [book?], you will know all the names of all these centres, you will know everything what they have, how they manifest and all that. But you, by knowing that, you do not become. While becoming is the living thing that should happen to you. For that, God has already placed the germinating power within you. We all have to jump into this new awareness. It is the actualization of the experience which is important. Nowadays in the market, there are many people they are saying the same words that I am saying. In 1970, when I went to America, they were many who came with their tape recorder who were taping my speech. And the organisers…sorry…And the organiser objected to it, but I said “Let them do it.” He said: “But, after all they will use your terminology.” I said: “Let them use the terminology, they cannot give realisation.” Then they said that they will be misleading other people. And I said: “It’s alright.” But if you know the words, “awareness” and all that, you just start thinking about it and a new wave of curiosity starts. So, talking is not the point. The Kundalini has to rise. You can see with your naked eye the Kundalini rising. You can see the force moving up, with your naked eyes. You can also feel the softening of this bone here, the fontanel bone. You can also feel the cool breeze in your hand. When you start using this cool breeze, you know that your hands are enlightened. In the hand you get all the centres, this is the first, this is the second, and, this is the third, this is the fourth, fourth…I’m just getting confused here…The first, second, then third, then fourth, then fifth, sixth, six centres, and the seventh here. These centres get enlightened in your fingers on left and right hand side. And you feel in collective consciousness, you feel it; it is an actualization, the problem with you. The centres which are in problem. You can also feel what is the problem with others is. You can also see if there is imbalance. You can also give a balance to that person. Only if the Kundalini rises above this you can cure the person. Just by placing your hand on the person you can cure. But if the Kundalini rises above this and stays there. Then the Kundalini starts moving under your fingers. It is fantastic! But supposing I say, there are lots of pictures in this room, you won’t believe me. But if I bring a TV, and put it to the mains, you will see all that working. In the same way you are an instrument created very beautifully, and very delicately. As soon as you are put to the mains, then the whole instrument starts working beautifully. And you become fantastically powerful. Powerful in your Divine Love, in your own purity. In your own innocence. You develop your security. You become the master of yourself. You are not enslaved by lust and greed. You become a magnetic loving personality. Wherever you go, you emit peace and love. Wherever you touch, you make it Divine. This is what is going to happen to many of you in this country, as the work has now started. This happening is very important from the God’s point of view. He has created you because He loved you so much. He is your Father who is Almighty. Any ordinary father also wants whatever he has to his children; gives all that he has to give to his children. And this Father, who is an ocean of compassion and love… [End of first part of the tape, maybe some small part missing…] …He wants to grant you the citizenship of His Kingdom. When you become that, His powers starts flowing through you and you can feel it. Now the time has come to prove God’s existence. You can feel it within yourself working it. But unfortunately, people are still very ego-oriented. Doesn’t matter, this Kundalini is your mother, and she works out, once she’s awakened, she works out and removes the ego on one side, and pierces through.. Now the purpose of ego and superego is that you become a shell. Like an egg. You develop your “I”-ness. This freedom is given to you, because you have to recognise what is good and what is bad in your search. But, invariably, and unfortunately, they go either this side or that side bit too much. I feel it is like children sitting in a boat, trying to jump in the sea all the time. If they sit in the centre of the boat, it can be managed better. When you mature in your awareness, then this shell is broken, and the bird comes out. We see such fantastic things in this world, like a egg becoming a bird. We are not surprised, we take it for granted. A flower becoming a fruit. [If?] Thousands and thousands of things like this are happening in this world. What human beings have done is nothing, but dead work! If a tree is dead, they make a furniture and think no end of themselves. You cannot even transform one flower into a fruit! When The One who does that so many of them! How great He must be! But when He grants you His powers, then you are empowered to do the living work of Kundalini awakening. First time you start doing that kind of a work, even if you give vibrations to a field of wheat, you’ll be amazed that the… such a field of wheat will give you at least five times more yield! No use to put these dirty fertilisers. And the taste of the wheat would be also very nice and nourishing. In India, we have a…some disciples who are professors in agricultural universities of Maharastra. They have done lots of such experiments and they were amazed how even cows yielded so much of milk. So now, instead of getting so much from the Mother Earth for making your tumblers and things, we start giving to the Mother Earth. The Mother Earth is represented by this centre within us, and also partly of this centre. The essence of Mother Earth is fragrance, and when you get your Realisation, so many of them feel her fragrance. And after Realisation only, you start enjoying other human beings, in the real sense. Once, I was in Calcutta in a hotel, where a man came to see me, and he fell at My Feet. And he got his Realisation with such a tremendous speed, that the people who had gone with Me, my disciples in the other room, came rushing to find out what was there. Like telecommunication it was working. I said: “What happened?” They said: “We felt a tremendous grace falling on us. So we just wanted to see who was facing you”. So, I said: “You just feel him!” And his vibrations were radiating so beautifully that they were enthralled! And they were feeling it, for fifteen minutes they would not budge out. But now, know that you are beauty. You are the truth and that resides within you. I see that, that’s why I love you very much. Only thing is it should be allowed to be cleared. That absolute point must come into your conscious mind. You must feel it in your central nervous system. So that you’ll have your self-esteem. And the self-esteem of others, and the concern. It’s such a beautiful thing to see. I do not see any filth around. I see the fragrant diamonds in you sparkling. I work day and night to expose it. I’m sure one day this world will be full of such beautiful diamonds sparkling all over. All human problems will end at that point. All this imaginary relative world will disappear, and you’ll stand in the truth. I’m thankful to you for this opportunity to be here, to meet you all, and I hope we’ll work out the realisation, and it will work out. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. [Little pause, then questions and answers, it seems…] When you are approximately all right, it rises fast, and you get your Realisation. But, first of all, you must remember that by rationality you cannot reach there. So, don’t think about it. Rationality is limited, and you are to be triggered to the unlimited space. And the whole thing works out so beautifully, there’s no problem. So, have no fear about it. Sit in a very light mood. Not- it’s not a serious thing, it’s just a game for Me. Sometimes, I have to tell my disciples that, “Now you say 'cheese'!” It’s very simple. But it’s very important. Very important to life, and to the creation itself. This is how you find your meaning, and the creation finds its own meaning. Your purpose and the purpose of the creation. Now, please, place your hands before Me just like this. And both feet on the ground. In a little “apart” way. Little apart. Not close to each other, yes. Please, close your eyes. (Pause/ speech of Grégoire in French)	null	null	null	Public Program. Lausanne (Switzerland), 27 April 1980. [un-transcribed Q&A section] Sorry, I do not know how to speak in French language. But Christine knows both the languages very well and I’m sure, she’ll be able to translate what I say very well. (Laughs…) Very shy, alright…I’m thankful to Grégoire for organising this program, and for the nice introductory lecture he gave. I think I could not follow the whole of it, but quiet [quite] a lot I could understand what he is saying. I admire his bravery. I wish they [there] were such brave people at the time of Christ. But I am the only lucky person I think who has got such brave people around, who are not afraid to give the message of the truth. People don’t like the truth at all. We are so identified with our ignorance that anybody tries to tell something else, we just defy it. But that is the source of joy. That is the source of bliss. In ignorance we live in confusion and in turbulence of our emotions. When we face truth, and achieve it, and become it, then it becomes a beautiful blossoming for us. The fear comes to us through our conditioning within us. We have been told many things which never came true. And sometimes the denial comes to us because we are very much identified with our ego. Ego actually delimits us. Because it thinks and we think that what we think that we are. If we think we are the king, do we become kings? People will call us a stupid fool, if we announce that we are kings. So…think…sorry… So, one should not believe that what we think…that we are. Ego can take you to a very imaginary flight of stupidity. The worst thing about ego is that one does not recognise that he is having a ego trip. On the contrary, if you are pestered by your conditioning, you recognise, because it gives you some physical pain, maybe some mental torture. And if you recognise also there is ego, and you start fighting it, it starts bloating like a balloon which is hitted back. So, no use also condemning ourselves for our ego or superego…our conditioning. Both of them have their purpose in our life. When their purpose is served, they are sucked into your being. ([My cup? Marcus] If you put it there, I will be better off. Can you see Me?) In this picture, we have drawn to show what we are in a deeper way. But you need not accept whatever I say because I do not want any blind faith to prosper. But you must keep yourself open, because this is a deeper, subtler knowledge. You should accept as a hypothesis, like a scientist accepts any hypothesis that is put forward. But later on, if it is proved alright, then you have to accept it as a law. Fortunately I’m facing you at a time when we can prove it. Say, at the time of Christ, they were no people who would sit like this and listen to him, who were intellectuals. They were ordinary fishermen. But today I’m so lucky, that I can face you and tell you what exactly is within you. Because human beings are now matured to that state, where they can understand it and can achieve it. I call it: it is the Blossom Time. And that is how many people – thousands, can be transformed into a new being. When God made you, brought you to this state of human beings, He worked it very beautifully through your evolutionary process. Now, we have to think why God has made us – sometimes we must think what is the purpose of our existence? And also all the scientists must ask a question: “How did we evolve, how did we evolve from amoeba stage to this?” I will in brief tell you, how the whole thing has worked out. All these centres you see here, which are seven in number, are the milestones of our evolution. As I have told you yesterday, they manifest the gross plexuses within us. But just now I’m talking about the subtle centres which are in our middle [medulla] oblongata,or you can call it the spinal cord, and partly in the brain. Here, in the triangular bone is placed your germinating power which is going to give you your second birth. This bone is called as sacrum. Sacrum means sacred. Because this bone cannot be burned, even if a person dies, …dies and is burnt. That means even the Greeks knew about it. This germinating power resides within us, which rises on these centres, and gives us our second birth. This is how you are going to breakthrough into a new awareness. This second birth gives you a second birth. This is a happening, which is spontaneous, which cannot be manoeuvred by you. It’s a living process, that works out within you: as you have become a human being, you become the other, by this process. Sahaja means “born with you”. Means spontaneous. Yoga means: “the union with the Divine”. Also yoga means deftness -Kaushalam- Ah… the deftness is the… the technique of…yes…the spiritual, or we can say the Divine technique. So, Sahaja Yoga means: “The spontaneous union with God”. Spontaneous means living process. So you cannot put in any effort for it, but it just works like the way a seed sprouts. As I told you yesterday, only in the human beings, we know of our evolution in our awareness. So far you have not known how you evolve from amoeba to this state of a human being! Now: why ego and superego come into us I will try to explain. On the left hand-side, this left-hand side channel, which is called as Ida Nadi in Sanskrit language, is the one which gives you the desiring power, or the desiring capacity. This Nadi gives you your past. This Nadi on the right-hand side, which is shown here in yellow colour, called as Pingala Nadi, which is responsible for your creative power. You use the power of this Nadi, when you live in the future, when you plan about the future. The centre Nadi is called as Sushumna. And this represents your evolution so far, up to this point. So, up to this point you are a human being, and there is a gap in between. Whatever you are, is expressed through your central nervous system. For example, human beings understand beauty of nature. They can discriminate filth and dirt, and also clean place like Lausanne. But, if you ask an animal to pass through filth and dirt, he doesn’t mind. Now, when you are not realised, that time when you start working with your left side, then you develop a pouch here like a balloon, which is called as superego, is all the conditionings. You read books, you condition yourself. people say: “Don’t do, don’t do”. All those things accumulate here as superego. For example… (Sorry…sorry)…For example, if a mother is nursing the child, and is… the child is removed from one to another side, then the child feels hurt about that, and his ego rises. And when she says: “Don’t do like that!”, his conditioning rises, superego. People like Freud started about the psyche which is the left side. He was not at all aware that there is also the right side we have. If you start de-conditioning your left side, by saying that: “What’s wrong, what’s wrong?” in anything, your right side will increase, and you will get a big ego just like that. In addition to that, some of the psychologists impress that we must nurture our ego. Apart from that, industrial revolution has brought in a more ego-oriented society. Materialism has given a greater push to that ego. People are known by what they dress and what they talk about. The sophisticated and the “elite” are the people who,who determine the norms of life. Then those who try to follow these norms get into a whirlpool of competition. It is a very big headache. To live in a ego-oriented society is not very easy. For example, I came from India for the first time to live in London, and in India we never used to serve drinks in My house. But My husband said: “Here nobody will come to your house if you have no drinks.” So I said: “They will come to meet us or to drink?” And in drunk condition, how will they know us? He said: “You will learn about them very soon”. Then he said we have to arrange for their drinks and we have to buy some tumblers. I was amazed that you have got tumblers for everything they are separate. The first lot of six tumblers and six sets we bought, we had to shell out about nine hundred pounds. It had to be first class because he is a…he is a diplomat you can say. I just couldn’t understand the justification; you can drink from one cup the same thing! Then for the pastry you must have a different fork, for another…another fork, like that it was a huge stuff! My house was so filled with things that I thought I’ll have to live outside. And amazed how people also were so much worried as to whether we have used things up to the norms or not. He had to buy a dictionary about all the alcohols you drink. My husband said he would have to go to a college to learn all about it. While in India he had never even served a glass of water to himself. It was a very big mess, and then I realised how people are thorn off by these so-called traditions. And that’s what I found with my neighbours, they were so nervous when they invited people to dinner; they were frantic for two days before and five days later. This is the problem of ego-oriented societies. And when the ego grows, it covers the whole of your brain. It presses onto completely, onto this superego. When the young people of these societies, western societies, discovered that it was too much, they could not go any further with it, they revolted against it. And they started a thing known as anti-culture. And they went into the other end. They pressed their ego so much down, and brought out their superego by drinking, drugs. This was the escape from your ego. Both things are wrong. You live in the centre. The development should be in the centre. If you go to one extreme or to the other extreme, we just get torn. Imbalance is created in our being. If you use too much of this side, then you get diseases like heart trouble, diabetes, kidney…also your uterus trouble, also sometimes you develop very great diseases like cancer. Now, cancer can be only cured by the Kundalini awakening. This I’ve been saying for the last ten years. Now, when I cured the cancer of our president in India, then they started thinking about it seriously. Otherwise, they would not listen to Me, they thought: This housewife, how can she cure cancer? On the other side, if you use your left side too much, like crying too much, weeping as the women always do…and the drugs that people use…you get into terrible mental problems and you may land up into mental homes. The nature gives you a control by checking it. For example, a person who is working very hard, he gets a heart attack. Now, imagine the heart is not for your mental activity. Your brain does the mental activity. But the heart goes out. They understand each other heart and brain. As friends, they control. Now, those who go too much onto the left hand-side, is like crying, weeping and hysterics, get into a problem where the brain goes off. Actually, sorry. Actually, the heart does all this emotional activity, but the brain goes out. I have a disciple, who is a psychiatrist, and he told me…amazingly he has found…that all the mental hospitals he has worked, the cardiograph machine has never been used. But medical science doesn’t see it comprehensively, because every science analyses. If you have temperature, you’ll have to go to the tooth…doctor…dental surgeon, then to the eye, then one other for the other eye. They’ll remove all your teeth, your eyes, to give you a certificate that you’re perfectly healthy. This is the condition of our medical science. Same about psychology. Even the psychologists get very much involved into the patients, and they get the same troubles as their patients have. Because they never deal with normal people, they always deal with pathological cases; ultimately they become pathological. In London now, I’m treating many psychologists. They do not understand how they get these things, but they just talk like lunatics. How are they going to cure anyone? They do not know how to protect themselves. Sahaja Yoga gives you the knowledge from within. When these centres are enlightened through Kundalini awakening, a new dimension is opening to you. When the Kundalini rises into this…above this…this centre, which is called as Agnya Chakra, where Christ resides, you become thoughtlessly aware. And when it pierces this point, which is called as Brahmarandra, then you become collectively conscious, and your hands starts radiating the spirit. The radiation of the spirit can be felt as cool breeze, as described in the Bible: “The cool breeze of the Holy Ghost”. The Kundalini is the reflection of the Holy Ghost within us. Even if you go to the realm of religion, people are so absurd and blind, that you cannot just talk to them. The other day, I met somebody in Paris, and when I started talking to him, he started giving me a sermon. He said that Immaculate Conception is such a fantastic thing that I cannot get over it. I said: “What is so…What is so fantastic? It is God! God can do anything!”. And if you cannot get over it, then you have really done a great harm to the whole, whole process of Immaculate Conception and to yourself. But he was telling me all kinds of stories which it was not relevance [relevant to] with the present. It is a human nature to escape the present. It either lives in the future or in the past, never in the present. A thought rises and falls down, again rises and falls down. The attention remains only on the [custs? cusps] of these waves of thought. Between the thoughts, there is…between these two thoughts, there is a space called as “Vilamba”. That is the present. But by brain-washing anybody, that: “You remain in present!”…you cannot do it. For that Kundalini has to rise. When she rises, then you steady yourself in thoughtless awareness. But this awareness is enlightened. So, in the religion area also, people believe in all kinds of artificiality. Because they will go into theosophical college, and come and give you baptism! How can you learn this in theosophical college? I said yesterday, that a egg will have to theosophical college to learn how to become a bird. It is not to know about it, but the becoming of it is important. You have to become. Becoming is the point you have to achieve. Not knowing about it. For example, Grégoire has written a book about Sahaja Yoga, about two hundred fifty pages, very beautiful. By reading that [book?], you will know all the names of all these centres, you will know everything what they have, how they manifest and all that. But you, by knowing that, you do not become. While becoming is the living thing that should happen to you. For that, God has already placed the germinating power within you. We all have to jump into this new awareness. It is the actualization of the experience which is important. Nowadays in the market, there are many people they are saying the same words that I am saying. In 1970, when I went to America, they were many who came with their tape recorder who were taping my speech. And the organisers…sorry…And the organiser objected to it, but I said “Let them do it.” He said: “But, after all they will use your terminology.” I said: “Let them use the terminology, they cannot give realisation.” Then they said that they will be misleading other people. And I said: “It’s alright.” But if you know the words, “awareness” and all that, you just start thinking about it and a new wave of curiosity starts. So, talking is not the point. The Kundalini has to rise. You can see with your naked eye the Kundalini rising. You can see the force moving up, with your naked eyes. You can also feel the softening of this bone here, the fontanel bone. You can also feel the cool breeze in your hand. When you start using this cool breeze, you know that your hands are enlightened. In the hand you get all the centres, this is the first, this is the second, and, this is the third, this is the fourth, fourth…I’m just getting confused here…The first, second, then third, then fourth, then fifth, sixth, six centres, and the seventh here. These centres get enlightened in your fingers on left and right hand side. And you feel in collective consciousness, you feel it; it is an actualization, the problem with you. The centres which are in problem. You can also feel what is the problem with others is. You can also see if there is imbalance. You can also give a balance to that person. Only if the Kundalini rises above this you can cure the person. Just by placing your hand on the person you can cure. But if the Kundalini rises above this and stays there. Then the Kundalini starts moving under your fingers. It is fantastic! But supposing I say, there are lots of pictures in this room, you won’t believe me. But if I bring a TV, and put it to the mains, you will see all that working. In the same way you are an instrument created very beautifully, and very delicately. As soon as you are put to the mains, then the whole instrument starts working beautifully. And you become fantastically powerful. Powerful in your Divine Love, in your own purity. In your own innocence. You develop your security. You become the master of yourself. You are not enslaved by lust and greed. You become a magnetic loving personality. Wherever you go, you emit peace and love. Wherever you touch, you make it Divine. This is what is going to happen to many of you in this country, as the work has now started. This happening is very important from the God’s point of view. He has created you because He loved you so much. He is your Father who is Almighty. Any ordinary father also wants whatever he has to his children; gives all that he has to give to his children. And this Father, who is an ocean of compassion and love… [End of first part of the tape, maybe some small part missing…] …He wants to grant you the citizenship of His Kingdom. When you become that, His powers starts flowing through you and you can feel it. Now the time has come to prove God’s existence. You can feel it within yourself working it. But unfortunately, people are still very ego-oriented. Doesn’t matter, this Kundalini is your mother, and she works out, once she’s awakened, she works out and removes the ego on one side, and pierces through.. Now the purpose of ego and superego is that you become a shell. Like an egg. You develop your “I”-ness. This freedom is given to you, because you have to recognise what is good and what is bad in your search. But, invariably, and unfortunately, they go either this side or that side bit too much. I feel it is like children sitting in a boat, trying to jump in the sea all the time. If they sit in the centre of the boat, it can be managed better. When you mature in your awareness, then this shell is broken, and the bird comes out. We see such fantastic things in this world, like a egg becoming a bird. We are not surprised, we take it for granted. A flower becoming a fruit. [If?] Thousands and thousands of things like this are happening in this world. What human beings have done is nothing, but dead work! If a tree is dead, they make a furniture and think no end of themselves. You cannot even transform one flower into a fruit! When The One who does that so many of them! How great He must be! But when He grants you His powers, then you are empowered to do the living work of Kundalini awakening. First time you start doing that kind of a work, even if you give vibrations to a field of wheat, you’ll be amazed that the… such a field of wheat will give you at least five times more yield! No use to put these dirty fertilisers. And the taste of the wheat would be also very nice and nourishing. In India, we have a…some disciples who are professors in agricultural universities of Maharastra. They have done lots of such experiments and they were amazed how even cows yielded so much of milk. So now, instead of getting so much from the Mother Earth for making your tumblers and things, we start giving to the Mother Earth. The Mother Earth is represented by this centre within us, and also partly of this centre. The essence of Mother Earth is fragrance, and when you get your Realisation, so many of them feel her fragrance. And after Realisation only, you start enjoying other human beings, in the real sense. Once, I was in Calcutta in a hotel, where a man came to see me, and he fell at My Feet. And he got his Realisation with such a tremendous speed, that the people who had gone with Me, my disciples in the other room, came rushing to find out what was there. Like telecommunication it was working. I said: “What happened?” They said: “We felt a tremendous grace falling on us. So we just wanted to see who was facing you”. So, I said: “You just feel him!” And his vibrations were radiating so beautifully that they were enthralled! And they were feeling it, for fifteen minutes they would not budge out. But now, know that you are beauty. You are the truth and that resides within you. I see that, that’s why I love you very much. Only thing is it should be allowed to be cleared. That absolute point must come into your conscious mind. You must feel it in your central nervous system. So that you’ll have your self-esteem. And the self-esteem of others, and the concern. It’s such a beautiful thing to see. I do not see any filth around. I see the fragrant diamonds in you sparkling. I work day and night to expose it. I’m sure one day this world will be full of such beautiful diamonds sparkling all over. All human problems will end at that point. All this imaginary relative world will disappear, and you’ll stand in the truth. I’m thankful to you for this opportunity to be here, to meet you all, and I hope we’ll work out the realisation, and it will work out. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. [Little pause, then questions and answers, it seems…] When you are approximately all right, it rises fast, and you get your Realisation. But, first of all, you must remember that by rationality you cannot reach there. So, don’t think about it. Rationality is limited, and you are to be triggered to the unlimited space. And the whole thing works out so beautifully, there’s no problem. So, have no fear about it. Sit in a very light mood. Not- it’s not a serious thing, it’s just a game for Me. Sometimes, I have to tell my disciples that, “Now you say 'cheese'!” It’s very simple. But it’s very important. Very important to life, and to the creation itself. This is how you find your meaning, and the creation finds its own meaning. Your purpose and the purpose of the creation. Now, please, place your hands before Me just like this. And both feet on the ground. In a little “apart” way. Little apart. Not close to each other, yes. Please, close your eyes. (Pause/ speech of Grégoire in French)
4/29/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6728	Pure Intelligence	Switzerland	Geneva	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	71	Pure Intelligence, Public Program, 1980-04-29, Genève, Switzerland “(…) Even by blindly accepting it you have not been able to solve your problems. If we could put our attention to this question that there must be some meaning to us and that there must be some arrangement within us to manifest that meaning: you are with Me. It is very easy to deny and defy everything intellectually and intelligence gives you a capacity to cheat yourself all the time. Not only that: a capacity to avoid if you are facing the Truth. It can provide any argument – which may be absurd if you see it later on – to convince you that reality is this, what you see with your gross attention. But the pure intelligence is that which sees the game of this intellect and that which sees the limited function of rationality. I am here talking to you about unlimited space. I am going to put forward before you a hypothesis, which, as good scientists or intelligent people you must keep your mind open and try to absorb it. If it is proved then you have to accept. There lies the real bravery of intellect. If intellect teaches you cowardice it is not intellect. So I have to put forward before you: what is within us, which resides as our subtle being? First of all, let us understand that we are made something like a spacecraft. You can also see how a seed sprouts: that from a seed the whole tree comes one after another. Spacecraft is not a living process but it gives you some idea as to how this living process of evolution takes place. There are containers in the spacecraft. In the same way, we can say, we have got physical, emotional, mental and spiritual containers placed inside each other. The spacecraft, when it rises, first with the outer shell contains all the other shells within it and when it reaches a certain height, a certain velocity, it is triggered into an explosion and you get a much higher speed. In this way, within us, when our physical being is exploded we get accelerated velocity of our evolutionary process and we then explode our emotional being, then the mental being and then the spiritual being is exploded. [to translator: emotional, mental … and then the spiritual] Now, the spiritual being within you is placed in the bone called sacrum, in our triangular bone. Imagine the Greeks called it ‘sacrum’ because it is a sacred bone and if the human body burns this bone does not get burnt. How, from the unconscious, they got these ideas? Now, when this spiritual being within you is placed on the sacrum bone you are a human being and your awareness is at human level. When the last blasting takes place within you then you jump into the realm of Divine Power, which is subtle, which is all-pervading, about which all the great saints and all the great incarnations have spoken. [to translator: into the Divine Power … which is all-pervading … which all the prophets and…] Now, when you jump into that awareness, your attention becomes one with that space. If you know that in space Newton’s law does not act - because you reach an absolute state. In the same way this Kundalini rises and travels all the way to this position called as the fontanelle bone area – in Sanskrit it is called as ‘Talu’ – which is very soft, as a child. When the Kundalini pierces this area you get your baptism and you become one with the all-pervading Power. Your attention becomes enlightened. This is enlightenment. As I would say that there are lots of pictures and beautiful scenes over here: you would not believe. But if you bring a good television set and put it to the mains: you will start seeing them there. In the same way: you are to be connected with the mains. We are not yet connected with the mains and that’s why we live in the world of relativity. All our political and economic and all other entreprises are nothing but relative. For example: here we have on one side the power of desiring. And the other side is the power of creating, creativity. These powers are manifested outside as left and right sympathetic nervous system and the central power of evolution as parasympathetic nervous system. For our day to day work we use the energy from the parasympathetic on both the sides – either from the left or from the right. As a by-product of these two activities we develop an Ego on our head or a Superego on your left. When the Ego and Superego, both of them, meet on the head and there is calcification you manifest your ‘I-ness’. So you become Mr X, Mr Y, Mr Z. You feel your independence and freedom. This freedom is given to you because you have to seek the balance between life and death, good and bad, righteous and unrighteous, holy and unholy - in your freedom. But mistakes do not matter. We actually learn by errors, but this freedom is given to you because you have to become the citizens of God’s kingdom - which is complete freedom. Because when you become one of the citizens, then you become really the master of yourself. Nobody need tell you: “Do this !” or “Do that !” You don’t need any correction. On the whole we can say that on the left hand side, those who work form very orthodox religions and all the things that go with all the melodramatic poems and poetry and all emotional stuff. By this, you live in your past, in your subconscious. And the other side, when you denied it, you started all your denials by accepting science as the means of achievement and you come to the right-hand side, you start creating, as you feel you are creating - but you don’t create anything. You do not create, but it is a false notion human beings have - that we create – because whatever is dead you only transform into another dead [thing]. We cannot even sprout one single seed. We cannot even make one flower into a fruit – even one! With all our scientific development, we have not been able to do one single thing like that. Only through science you discover what exists, but you cannot say the ‘why ?’ of it. For example you cannot say « why there is magnetism in the Mother Earth?”. In the medical science – for example – they cannot explain many things. It is the nature of the body to repel everything that is foreign, but when a child is conceived in the body, not only it is retained but also nurtured and looked after and repelled at the right time. Say, for example, adrenaline and acetylcholine – two chemicals – when they act in the human body, from these sympathetic activities: they may augment, they may contract or they may relax. Thus we can see there are a thousand and one things, we cannot explain how it works out. Jung, who was a great psychologist in My view, tried to experiment with dreams of people and he reached a conclusion where he found that there are some universal symbols, which appear in dreams, suggesting something for our guidance or for our correction from somewhere which he called as the unconscious. Jung also gave just a name, as “unconscious”, as the doctors gave this area of medicine as “autonomous nervous system”. But: “Who is this Auto?” We should ask this question. For example if you run fast then the sympathetic nervous system can increase your rate of heart, but the one that depresses and brings it to normal is the parasympathetic in the centre. This is done effortlessly. Now, I say there is a power within us which is our germinating power, which is just waiting to give us our second birth. We call it as Sahaja Yoga, means ‘spontaneous union with the divine’. You cannot pay for this happening of baptism. You cannot do it by any theological college personality. All these decorums and all these decorations are of no use to that Kundalini. No need for you to stand on your heads or do any such tricks: She won’t rise. She understands everything. She won’t rise for a person who is unholy and taking money to raise the Kundalini. God does not understand money at all. He will have to come to Switzerland to learn banking (laughing). This is one thing we must know, that it is a spontaneous thing within us and the energy which is put there by God Almighty, which is going to work it out by itself. It has been described in various scriptures, very clearly. While in the Bible it is described as: “I will appear before you like tongues of flames”. All these petals of these centres which are very subtle appear like tongues of flames when you see them. But when people start living with the shells and organizing the shells which are dead, the whole that is the essence of that religion is absolutely dead. All the great religions of the world are the flowers of the great tree of life. They are nurtured by the same Shakti, by the same Power. But we remove the flowers, call them as our own, organize them and after a few days they die out. So, the quarrels of religion are also very detrimental to our spiritual growth. God is going to look after our own spiritual growth and that’s why He has placed all these centres within us, which have gross manifestations as plexuses. Now, we have seen here seven of these and two here – nine of these – the basic centres within us. These centres relate to our different beings like emotional, physical and all those. They are the milestones of our evolution. Now, the first centre that you see there is the basis that we have, is the matter, is the Mother Earth itself, is the carbon atom in us. The second centre you see with six petals is the centre which goes round and round over this area of void by which it creates the Sun. This nourishes our attention. Also, it transforms the fat cells for the use of the brain – when we think too much. By doing too much thinking we do not allow this centre to do the other work it has to do, which is to look after the liver, the kidneys, the pancreas, spleen and other important organs of the viscera. In the West, the action of movement on this is so intense that people cannot stop thinking. Yesterday, in Lausanne, there was a doctor who was looking very miserable. He came to Me after the programme and he said: “You can cut my throat, you can take out my brain, but stop thinking.” Actually, like this is the left and the right sympathetic and in the centre is the parasympathetic. When we start taking too much from our left or right sympathetic – using too much energy – we get dislocated in the centre. So, it starts working on its own, you cannot control your thinking. Then, it has no connection with the whole. If such a thing happens to any cell because of some irritation or any excitement to a particular cell, it becomes malignant. It becomes on its own. We too, in the Ego oriented societies, believe: “What’s wrong?” Because you’re having an Ego trip on our own we think there’s nothing wrong in getting out of the whole. That is the reason in the affluent societies today the families are breaking and people are planning only one thing: how to commit suicide. It is shocking, but I have seen girls of seventeen years in London, who came from Sweden. They were just like giving vibrations like dead bodies. And I took them home and was very sweet to them and asked “What are you thinking all the time?”. They said: “We are thinking how to commit suicide and plan it out.”. They are seventeen year old young girls, think of it ! Just blooming with dew, they should be cheerful, chirping like birds! I’m told Switzerland is also following Sweden or has out-beaten them in this. You are so much being blessed by God. Such a beautiful country you have got. How much He has given you, bountiful. Instead of enjoying the gratefulness and the gratitude for that bounties, why are you comitting suicide? You are very free people compared to thousands of them in the world who are not even free to talk. According to all the norms of development, you should be the most happiest people living. But I see the state of confusion everywhere. Then I start thinking: “What sort of development you are going to bestow upon poor countries like India?”. Are you also going to give us the plans how to commit suicide? We must understand we have made a mistake. We have gone too far on the right – in future planning and future thinking. Future does not exist: it is imaginary. Some people have gone to the left too much, like romanticism, artificial some sort of a stuff and committing suicide for that. Both ways, you move and you commit suicide. You have to stay in the centre. In the centre is the present. But this cannot be done by brainwashing. Your attention is so much outside that to attract it inside there has to be a happening. That is why there is an arrangement of a happening within you. Without the happening your attention cannot be drawn in. It’s like a spring that rises and your attention is suddenly withdrawn inside. Now, for this enlightenment, one must know that whatever you have achieved so far as a human being was not done in your awareness. But first time in your human awareness you are going to see your evolution taking place. This is an actualisation. It should happen to you. If it has not happened, no use paying money for it. Or doing anything else, is of no use. For example, some people are paying lot of money to fly in the air. Do you want to become now birds and then frogs and then amoeba? These are anti-natural processes which may lead you to something like collective subconscious or collective supraconscious and you may become a demon. I’ve seen people doing all such kinds of extracurricular activities landing with epilepsy, cancer and all kinds of horrible diseases. Leave alone the bankruptcy. And then I’m supposed to cure all these things, inclusive of bankruptcy. Now, this happening within us takes place, as you have got pamphlets now, you can go home and read it, but you must see that you get it. If you do not get it that doesn’t mean that I am wrong because thousands have got it from Me. Many people who are My disciples, apart from Me, have cured cancer. They have become beautiful people now and they have become masters of themselves, not slaves of greed and lust. They have become peaceful and they have understood the meaning of their life. When you put this machine with the mains, it gets its meaning: it starts emitting My voice. When you enlighten a light it gets its meaning that it has to enlighten others and give enlightenment. Like somebody said: “Now I’m enlightened, Mother, what should I do?”. I said: “ You give light now. What should you do now?”. So, we have to remember that an enlightened light can only enlighten another light. If I am an enlightened light then I can enlighten your light and you can enlighten another light. You just act as a catalytic agent. Why should the Ego be challenged at this point? Because I am doing it? You could have done it? I wish you could take My place. Last night I could not sleep till three o’clock – working on difficult people. I go to the Indian villages and live in such conditions you cannot live. Because there lies the real seekers’ essence – I think – in these simple people. But complicated people can take hours of My hard work. When you get enlightened, you can also give enlightenment. Now, there are thousands of Sahaja Yogis we have got, in the West also, in India we have many more. All their patience put together is nowhere compared to mine, because I see your beauty much more. I see the diamond of that Spirit in your heart sparkling, the precious thing that you are. I don’t see anything else, while they see other things. They get tired and fed up. They don’t want to argue with any intellectuals. Grégoire was a big intellectual (laughing). All his brain was developing like horns on both sides. It took a lot of time to give him Realization. He was very argumentative, very over-read. He has read all sorts of books. I felt I am facing a library (laughing). But he got his Realization because he is a seeker and he is an ardent, honest seeker. If you have self-esteem, if you know that there is a Spirit within you: you will cooperate with Me. That is how you achieve your meaning. You don’t have to pay anything for Me or [be] grateful to Me at all, because this is My nature and My job: I’m doing My job. I cannot rest without giving love to you. My nature is to give. And why should you feel hurt about it? I can’t understand human beings: even if you give them tuppence-worth of thing they feel so grateful. But if you say you want to give you the absolute that is within you: they’ll jump on you, like a tiger. The Ego behaviour is very interesting. When you will get your Realization and see how people behave: you will have a lot of laughing stock for you. Our Sahaja Yogis are all the time laughing with the stupidity in which we indulge with our Ego. So, now, this intellect is given you to understand that to go beyond you have to give up the limited rationality. But that does not mean that you become irrational. Supposing you come by car to this hall and you leave your car outside to enter inside this hall : is pure rationality. But if you are so much identified with your car that is rationality and bring it inside: what is that? But once you have received your Realization, then you will go back to your car in an enlightened manner and understand the rationality which is all-pervading. Now, when the Kundalini rises above this point, you become thoughtlessly aware, awareness that is enlightened. That’s called in Sanskrit ‘Nirvichara Samadhi’. ‘Dhi’ means awareness and ‘Samadhi’ means enlightened awareness. [to translator: awareness… ‘sama’ means enlightened… awareness.] But when you jump to this, you jump into a new state: you become – I mean – you become collectively conscious. Like we have U.N. system and all these systems saying that: “We are all one. We are brothers and sisters.” and all this, but doesn’t go inside. But, by this happening you become collectively conscious, means: you start feeling the collective around. For example, now, you have seen here all these colours are shown on these centres and these are the centres – here - which are enlightened on the fingers. For example, this is the centre for your heart. Left side represents the emotional side and the right side your physical and the mental side. The discovery is fantastic, because your machinery, which is so fantastic, starts working-out its miracle. There was one gentleman who got his Realization and when I told him that: “You can feel your father, mother on your hands and anybody on your hands” - he could not believe it. Suddenly, one day he told Me: “Mother, I’m getting a burning here, in this area”. I told him : “Right side is of your father, all these centres are of your father and this is that of this centre -Vishuddhi – so you find out what’s the matter with him: some throat trouble or bronchitis.”. His father was in Scotland. He telephoned and his mother said that: “I am alright, but father is down with very bad bronchitis.”. Sitting down in London we knew what was happening to Nixon. There is a tremendous telecommunication in this all-pervading Power. As if like a computer you get connected with the divine and you can ask any question - like “Is there God?”. On such as absolute question - immediately you’ll get tremendous vibrations flowing in your hand. You ask about any fake guru: whether it is true or not. You’ll be amazed : there will be no vibrations, it will stop. That means: your instrument becomes so sensitive that you can feel your own centre – where is the problem – and you start seeing the centres of others. Instantaneously, Self-Realization also means the Realization of the whole. But there are different levels of this Realization. For example, in places where – like in Nepal or say India – where people are not yet on the trip of their intellect so much. We can say they are not yet so developed. They jump first into the realm of doubtless awareness. In that awareness you just feel the joy of being. But in the West - because you have had so many ramblings of your intellect - you go around finding whether it is correct or not, verifying whether it is what Mataji has said is correct or not. Decoding everything. Catching from other people. Then, again, you come to Me for correction. My husband once said that: “When you have given them Realization everyday, what are you doing about it? Why do you have to work on them again and again?” So that time we had another disciple from Paris. She said – because My husband deals with marine – so she said: “Sir, there are some ships which are second hand, which are to be repaired from time to time.”. So they reach the space of doubtless awareness - that is a state of mind, state-of-mind – by understanding a circuitous way. They don’t want to [UNCLEAR it] like this: they go round and [UNCLEAR it] like that. So, when you are developed, still you see the Kundalini rising: you see the pulsation in the triangular bone. You can see with your naked eye - the pulsation here. You can, with stethoscope you can see the pulsation just like heart - “Lap, lap” - going up to that point and you can see the breaking of this, because the bone here becomes soft. You see it with your naked eye, but still you go on doubting about it. You still start analysing it. It would be something like - I give you a nice cake to eat and you sit down with your analysis. It’s so absurd, as if an egg has to go to the library to find out how to fly or become a bird. We had a great poet, Kabira, he said : [UNCLEAR “Padi, Padi pandit murakh kab hai”] meaning: “By reading, these great educated people have become stupid.”. He was very, very straight. He has said: by shaving your head or wearing your crown if you can go to God, then what about the sheep, which is shaved twice a year? All sorts of beautiful things he has said and then you start understanding – these great poets like Khalil Gibran and all such poets, which have reached the state of oneness with God. After Realization you share their joy and understand. When I was born, My father told Me - very clearly - that people are born on the ground floor and, if you are born on the tenth floor, they cannot understand you. That’s why they crucified Christ. What a mistake it was! When Krishna came, they said they believed in Rama. Same here when Christ came in, they said: “ We believe in Abraham.” Or when Moses came they said: “We believe in Abraham.”. That’s how they avoided to accept someone who was telling the truth. It is nice to have somebody believe into someone who is dead, because you can do whatever you like with it. He is not going to sit on your head and even, if he comes back, you will say he is not the same or kill him or crucify him or give him poison and torture him. But for false people: we will give them money, they will have beds made out of diamonds. Because they pamper your Ego. You want to pay for that pampering. But reality does not pamper you with falsehood. When you will get your reality, you will know that it is the most beautiful thing that you should have. It is the source of all the joy and happiness. There is nothing else more pervading and all-consuming than this beautiful bliss of meeting the Divine. Now, I have to say that it is such a big subject, that in London I must have given at least two hundred speeches. Everytime something new and still they are not satisfied. I’ve been speaking and speaking and speaking. But now, I would say that in this short time whatever is possible I have tried to put you through - so that you can see that you are that beautiful thing which [UNCLEAR is being/has been] promised by the saints of the ages and that, without finding it, you are not going to be happy – whatever you may have. I have to work on you, like a swimmer has to work to save people who do not know how to swim. And once you start swimming, you have to save others. Unless and until you are a swimmer, you cannot enjoy the ocean. You are frightened of it. I just say that it is within you to know it. So, for the time being forget what you have read, what you have thought, what you have conceived but receive what it is. I hope it will work out today for all of you and then you have to maintain it by understanding it fully: your own problems of your centres. Because, as I told you, that the germination takes place with a big speed but you may lose it, again and again, because you have to know how to maintain it. This doesn’t happen with everyone, but it happens with some, so I have to tell you the truth. So, now let us sit down for our Realization and get our Realization and enjoy the bliss of the gift of our Father - who is God Almighty - and who is very anxious to give all that He has to us because He is the Generous, the Compassionate, the Ocean of Love. Even if you have faith in God or not faith in God - makes no difference - He still gives you the Sun. So, it will make no difference to Me whether you believe in Him or not, but you should not insult Him. On the contrary, you must have an attitude that “We have not yet met Him, so let us keep us open and when we have to receive that within us, we have to be humble about it.”. If you are arrogant and adamant, God is not going to fall at your feet. I am your Mother and I am concerned, that’s why I request you and implore you to be humble, because there are Deities in you which will refuse to act if you are arrogant. Please tell your mind to wait for a while and not to bother you just now. Through your mental activity you’ve not achieved anything. So, let the Kundalini act in you. May God bless you.	null	null	null	Pure Intelligence, Public Program, 1980-04-29, Genève, Switzerland “(…) Even by blindly accepting it you have not been able to solve your problems. If we could put our attention to this question that there must be some meaning to us and that there must be some arrangement within us to manifest that meaning: you are with Me. It is very easy to deny and defy everything intellectually and intelligence gives you a capacity to cheat yourself all the time. Not only that: a capacity to avoid if you are facing the Truth. It can provide any argument – which may be absurd if you see it later on – to convince you that reality is this, what you see with your gross attention. But the pure intelligence is that which sees the game of this intellect and that which sees the limited function of rationality. I am here talking to you about unlimited space. I am going to put forward before you a hypothesis, which, as good scientists or intelligent people you must keep your mind open and try to absorb it. If it is proved then you have to accept. There lies the real bravery of intellect. If intellect teaches you cowardice it is not intellect. So I have to put forward before you: what is within us, which resides as our subtle being? First of all, let us understand that we are made something like a spacecraft. You can also see how a seed sprouts: that from a seed the whole tree comes one after another. Spacecraft is not a living process but it gives you some idea as to how this living process of evolution takes place. There are containers in the spacecraft. In the same way, we can say, we have got physical, emotional, mental and spiritual containers placed inside each other. The spacecraft, when it rises, first with the outer shell contains all the other shells within it and when it reaches a certain height, a certain velocity, it is triggered into an explosion and you get a much higher speed. In this way, within us, when our physical being is exploded we get accelerated velocity of our evolutionary process and we then explode our emotional being, then the mental being and then the spiritual being is exploded. [to translator: emotional, mental … and then the spiritual] Now, the spiritual being within you is placed in the bone called sacrum, in our triangular bone. Imagine the Greeks called it ‘sacrum’ because it is a sacred bone and if the human body burns this bone does not get burnt. How, from the unconscious, they got these ideas? Now, when this spiritual being within you is placed on the sacrum bone you are a human being and your awareness is at human level. When the last blasting takes place within you then you jump into the realm of Divine Power, which is subtle, which is all-pervading, about which all the great saints and all the great incarnations have spoken. [to translator: into the Divine Power … which is all-pervading … which all the prophets and…] Now, when you jump into that awareness, your attention becomes one with that space. If you know that in space Newton’s law does not act - because you reach an absolute state. In the same way this Kundalini rises and travels all the way to this position called as the fontanelle bone area – in Sanskrit it is called as ‘Talu’ – which is very soft, as a child. When the Kundalini pierces this area you get your baptism and you become one with the all-pervading Power. Your attention becomes enlightened. This is enlightenment. As I would say that there are lots of pictures and beautiful scenes over here: you would not believe. But if you bring a good television set and put it to the mains: you will start seeing them there. In the same way: you are to be connected with the mains. We are not yet connected with the mains and that’s why we live in the world of relativity. All our political and economic and all other entreprises are nothing but relative. For example: here we have on one side the power of desiring. And the other side is the power of creating, creativity. These powers are manifested outside as left and right sympathetic nervous system and the central power of evolution as parasympathetic nervous system. For our day to day work we use the energy from the parasympathetic on both the sides – either from the left or from the right. As a by-product of these two activities we develop an Ego on our head or a Superego on your left. When the Ego and Superego, both of them, meet on the head and there is calcification you manifest your ‘I-ness’. So you become Mr X, Mr Y, Mr Z. You feel your independence and freedom. This freedom is given to you because you have to seek the balance between life and death, good and bad, righteous and unrighteous, holy and unholy - in your freedom. But mistakes do not matter. We actually learn by errors, but this freedom is given to you because you have to become the citizens of God’s kingdom - which is complete freedom. Because when you become one of the citizens, then you become really the master of yourself. Nobody need tell you: “Do this !” or “Do that !” You don’t need any correction. On the whole we can say that on the left hand side, those who work form very orthodox religions and all the things that go with all the melodramatic poems and poetry and all emotional stuff. By this, you live in your past, in your subconscious. And the other side, when you denied it, you started all your denials by accepting science as the means of achievement and you come to the right-hand side, you start creating, as you feel you are creating - but you don’t create anything. You do not create, but it is a false notion human beings have - that we create – because whatever is dead you only transform into another dead [thing]. We cannot even sprout one single seed. We cannot even make one flower into a fruit – even one! With all our scientific development, we have not been able to do one single thing like that. Only through science you discover what exists, but you cannot say the ‘why ?’ of it. For example you cannot say « why there is magnetism in the Mother Earth?”. In the medical science – for example – they cannot explain many things. It is the nature of the body to repel everything that is foreign, but when a child is conceived in the body, not only it is retained but also nurtured and looked after and repelled at the right time. Say, for example, adrenaline and acetylcholine – two chemicals – when they act in the human body, from these sympathetic activities: they may augment, they may contract or they may relax. Thus we can see there are a thousand and one things, we cannot explain how it works out. Jung, who was a great psychologist in My view, tried to experiment with dreams of people and he reached a conclusion where he found that there are some universal symbols, which appear in dreams, suggesting something for our guidance or for our correction from somewhere which he called as the unconscious. Jung also gave just a name, as “unconscious”, as the doctors gave this area of medicine as “autonomous nervous system”. But: “Who is this Auto?” We should ask this question. For example if you run fast then the sympathetic nervous system can increase your rate of heart, but the one that depresses and brings it to normal is the parasympathetic in the centre. This is done effortlessly. Now, I say there is a power within us which is our germinating power, which is just waiting to give us our second birth. We call it as Sahaja Yoga, means ‘spontaneous union with the divine’. You cannot pay for this happening of baptism. You cannot do it by any theological college personality. All these decorums and all these decorations are of no use to that Kundalini. No need for you to stand on your heads or do any such tricks: She won’t rise. She understands everything. She won’t rise for a person who is unholy and taking money to raise the Kundalini. God does not understand money at all. He will have to come to Switzerland to learn banking (laughing). This is one thing we must know, that it is a spontaneous thing within us and the energy which is put there by God Almighty, which is going to work it out by itself. It has been described in various scriptures, very clearly. While in the Bible it is described as: “I will appear before you like tongues of flames”. All these petals of these centres which are very subtle appear like tongues of flames when you see them. But when people start living with the shells and organizing the shells which are dead, the whole that is the essence of that religion is absolutely dead. All the great religions of the world are the flowers of the great tree of life. They are nurtured by the same Shakti, by the same Power. But we remove the flowers, call them as our own, organize them and after a few days they die out. So, the quarrels of religion are also very detrimental to our spiritual growth. God is going to look after our own spiritual growth and that’s why He has placed all these centres within us, which have gross manifestations as plexuses. Now, we have seen here seven of these and two here – nine of these – the basic centres within us. These centres relate to our different beings like emotional, physical and all those. They are the milestones of our evolution. Now, the first centre that you see there is the basis that we have, is the matter, is the Mother Earth itself, is the carbon atom in us. The second centre you see with six petals is the centre which goes round and round over this area of void by which it creates the Sun. This nourishes our attention. Also, it transforms the fat cells for the use of the brain – when we think too much. By doing too much thinking we do not allow this centre to do the other work it has to do, which is to look after the liver, the kidneys, the pancreas, spleen and other important organs of the viscera. In the West, the action of movement on this is so intense that people cannot stop thinking. Yesterday, in Lausanne, there was a doctor who was looking very miserable. He came to Me after the programme and he said: “You can cut my throat, you can take out my brain, but stop thinking.” Actually, like this is the left and the right sympathetic and in the centre is the parasympathetic. When we start taking too much from our left or right sympathetic – using too much energy – we get dislocated in the centre. So, it starts working on its own, you cannot control your thinking. Then, it has no connection with the whole. If such a thing happens to any cell because of some irritation or any excitement to a particular cell, it becomes malignant. It becomes on its own. We too, in the Ego oriented societies, believe: “What’s wrong?” Because you’re having an Ego trip on our own we think there’s nothing wrong in getting out of the whole. That is the reason in the affluent societies today the families are breaking and people are planning only one thing: how to commit suicide. It is shocking, but I have seen girls of seventeen years in London, who came from Sweden. They were just like giving vibrations like dead bodies. And I took them home and was very sweet to them and asked “What are you thinking all the time?”. They said: “We are thinking how to commit suicide and plan it out.”. They are seventeen year old young girls, think of it ! Just blooming with dew, they should be cheerful, chirping like birds! I’m told Switzerland is also following Sweden or has out-beaten them in this. You are so much being blessed by God. Such a beautiful country you have got. How much He has given you, bountiful. Instead of enjoying the gratefulness and the gratitude for that bounties, why are you comitting suicide? You are very free people compared to thousands of them in the world who are not even free to talk. According to all the norms of development, you should be the most happiest people living. But I see the state of confusion everywhere. Then I start thinking: “What sort of development you are going to bestow upon poor countries like India?”. Are you also going to give us the plans how to commit suicide? We must understand we have made a mistake. We have gone too far on the right – in future planning and future thinking. Future does not exist: it is imaginary. Some people have gone to the left too much, like romanticism, artificial some sort of a stuff and committing suicide for that. Both ways, you move and you commit suicide. You have to stay in the centre. In the centre is the present. But this cannot be done by brainwashing. Your attention is so much outside that to attract it inside there has to be a happening. That is why there is an arrangement of a happening within you. Without the happening your attention cannot be drawn in. It’s like a spring that rises and your attention is suddenly withdrawn inside. Now, for this enlightenment, one must know that whatever you have achieved so far as a human being was not done in your awareness. But first time in your human awareness you are going to see your evolution taking place. This is an actualisation. It should happen to you. If it has not happened, no use paying money for it. Or doing anything else, is of no use. For example, some people are paying lot of money to fly in the air. Do you want to become now birds and then frogs and then amoeba? These are anti-natural processes which may lead you to something like collective subconscious or collective supraconscious and you may become a demon. I’ve seen people doing all such kinds of extracurricular activities landing with epilepsy, cancer and all kinds of horrible diseases. Leave alone the bankruptcy. And then I’m supposed to cure all these things, inclusive of bankruptcy. Now, this happening within us takes place, as you have got pamphlets now, you can go home and read it, but you must see that you get it. If you do not get it that doesn’t mean that I am wrong because thousands have got it from Me. Many people who are My disciples, apart from Me, have cured cancer. They have become beautiful people now and they have become masters of themselves, not slaves of greed and lust. They have become peaceful and they have understood the meaning of their life. When you put this machine with the mains, it gets its meaning: it starts emitting My voice. When you enlighten a light it gets its meaning that it has to enlighten others and give enlightenment. Like somebody said: “Now I’m enlightened, Mother, what should I do?”. I said: “ You give light now. What should you do now?”. So, we have to remember that an enlightened light can only enlighten another light. If I am an enlightened light then I can enlighten your light and you can enlighten another light. You just act as a catalytic agent. Why should the Ego be challenged at this point? Because I am doing it? You could have done it? I wish you could take My place. Last night I could not sleep till three o’clock – working on difficult people. I go to the Indian villages and live in such conditions you cannot live. Because there lies the real seekers’ essence – I think – in these simple people. But complicated people can take hours of My hard work. When you get enlightened, you can also give enlightenment. Now, there are thousands of Sahaja Yogis we have got, in the West also, in India we have many more. All their patience put together is nowhere compared to mine, because I see your beauty much more. I see the diamond of that Spirit in your heart sparkling, the precious thing that you are. I don’t see anything else, while they see other things. They get tired and fed up. They don’t want to argue with any intellectuals. Grégoire was a big intellectual (laughing). All his brain was developing like horns on both sides. It took a lot of time to give him Realization. He was very argumentative, very over-read. He has read all sorts of books. I felt I am facing a library (laughing). But he got his Realization because he is a seeker and he is an ardent, honest seeker. If you have self-esteem, if you know that there is a Spirit within you: you will cooperate with Me. That is how you achieve your meaning. You don’t have to pay anything for Me or [be] grateful to Me at all, because this is My nature and My job: I’m doing My job. I cannot rest without giving love to you. My nature is to give. And why should you feel hurt about it? I can’t understand human beings: even if you give them tuppence-worth of thing they feel so grateful. But if you say you want to give you the absolute that is within you: they’ll jump on you, like a tiger. The Ego behaviour is very interesting. When you will get your Realization and see how people behave: you will have a lot of laughing stock for you. Our Sahaja Yogis are all the time laughing with the stupidity in which we indulge with our Ego. So, now, this intellect is given you to understand that to go beyond you have to give up the limited rationality. But that does not mean that you become irrational. Supposing you come by car to this hall and you leave your car outside to enter inside this hall : is pure rationality. But if you are so much identified with your car that is rationality and bring it inside: what is that? But once you have received your Realization, then you will go back to your car in an enlightened manner and understand the rationality which is all-pervading. Now, when the Kundalini rises above this point, you become thoughtlessly aware, awareness that is enlightened. That’s called in Sanskrit ‘Nirvichara Samadhi’. ‘Dhi’ means awareness and ‘Samadhi’ means enlightened awareness. [to translator: awareness… ‘sama’ means enlightened… awareness.] But when you jump to this, you jump into a new state: you become – I mean – you become collectively conscious. Like we have U.N. system and all these systems saying that: “We are all one. We are brothers and sisters.” and all this, but doesn’t go inside. But, by this happening you become collectively conscious, means: you start feeling the collective around. For example, now, you have seen here all these colours are shown on these centres and these are the centres – here - which are enlightened on the fingers. For example, this is the centre for your heart. Left side represents the emotional side and the right side your physical and the mental side. The discovery is fantastic, because your machinery, which is so fantastic, starts working-out its miracle. There was one gentleman who got his Realization and when I told him that: “You can feel your father, mother on your hands and anybody on your hands” - he could not believe it. Suddenly, one day he told Me: “Mother, I’m getting a burning here, in this area”. I told him : “Right side is of your father, all these centres are of your father and this is that of this centre -Vishuddhi – so you find out what’s the matter with him: some throat trouble or bronchitis.”. His father was in Scotland. He telephoned and his mother said that: “I am alright, but father is down with very bad bronchitis.”. Sitting down in London we knew what was happening to Nixon. There is a tremendous telecommunication in this all-pervading Power. As if like a computer you get connected with the divine and you can ask any question - like “Is there God?”. On such as absolute question - immediately you’ll get tremendous vibrations flowing in your hand. You ask about any fake guru: whether it is true or not. You’ll be amazed : there will be no vibrations, it will stop. That means: your instrument becomes so sensitive that you can feel your own centre – where is the problem – and you start seeing the centres of others. Instantaneously, Self-Realization also means the Realization of the whole. But there are different levels of this Realization. For example, in places where – like in Nepal or say India – where people are not yet on the trip of their intellect so much. We can say they are not yet so developed. They jump first into the realm of doubtless awareness. In that awareness you just feel the joy of being. But in the West - because you have had so many ramblings of your intellect - you go around finding whether it is correct or not, verifying whether it is what Mataji has said is correct or not. Decoding everything. Catching from other people. Then, again, you come to Me for correction. My husband once said that: “When you have given them Realization everyday, what are you doing about it? Why do you have to work on them again and again?” So that time we had another disciple from Paris. She said – because My husband deals with marine – so she said: “Sir, there are some ships which are second hand, which are to be repaired from time to time.”. So they reach the space of doubtless awareness - that is a state of mind, state-of-mind – by understanding a circuitous way. They don’t want to [UNCLEAR it] like this: they go round and [UNCLEAR it] like that. So, when you are developed, still you see the Kundalini rising: you see the pulsation in the triangular bone. You can see with your naked eye - the pulsation here. You can, with stethoscope you can see the pulsation just like heart - “Lap, lap” - going up to that point and you can see the breaking of this, because the bone here becomes soft. You see it with your naked eye, but still you go on doubting about it. You still start analysing it. It would be something like - I give you a nice cake to eat and you sit down with your analysis. It’s so absurd, as if an egg has to go to the library to find out how to fly or become a bird. We had a great poet, Kabira, he said : [UNCLEAR “Padi, Padi pandit murakh kab hai”] meaning: “By reading, these great educated people have become stupid.”. He was very, very straight. He has said: by shaving your head or wearing your crown if you can go to God, then what about the sheep, which is shaved twice a year? All sorts of beautiful things he has said and then you start understanding – these great poets like Khalil Gibran and all such poets, which have reached the state of oneness with God. After Realization you share their joy and understand. When I was born, My father told Me - very clearly - that people are born on the ground floor and, if you are born on the tenth floor, they cannot understand you. That’s why they crucified Christ. What a mistake it was! When Krishna came, they said they believed in Rama. Same here when Christ came in, they said: “ We believe in Abraham.” Or when Moses came they said: “We believe in Abraham.”. That’s how they avoided to accept someone who was telling the truth. It is nice to have somebody believe into someone who is dead, because you can do whatever you like with it. He is not going to sit on your head and even, if he comes back, you will say he is not the same or kill him or crucify him or give him poison and torture him. But for false people: we will give them money, they will have beds made out of diamonds. Because they pamper your Ego. You want to pay for that pampering. But reality does not pamper you with falsehood. When you will get your reality, you will know that it is the most beautiful thing that you should have. It is the source of all the joy and happiness. There is nothing else more pervading and all-consuming than this beautiful bliss of meeting the Divine. Now, I have to say that it is such a big subject, that in London I must have given at least two hundred speeches. Everytime something new and still they are not satisfied. I’ve been speaking and speaking and speaking. But now, I would say that in this short time whatever is possible I have tried to put you through - so that you can see that you are that beautiful thing which [UNCLEAR is being/has been] promised by the saints of the ages and that, without finding it, you are not going to be happy – whatever you may have. I have to work on you, like a swimmer has to work to save people who do not know how to swim. And once you start swimming, you have to save others. Unless and until you are a swimmer, you cannot enjoy the ocean. You are frightened of it. I just say that it is within you to know it. So, for the time being forget what you have read, what you have thought, what you have conceived but receive what it is. I hope it will work out today for all of you and then you have to maintain it by understanding it fully: your own problems of your centres. Because, as I told you, that the germination takes place with a big speed but you may lose it, again and again, because you have to know how to maintain it. This doesn’t happen with everyone, but it happens with some, so I have to tell you the truth. So, now let us sit down for our Realization and get our Realization and enjoy the bliss of the gift of our Father - who is God Almighty - and who is very anxious to give all that He has to us because He is the Generous, the Compassionate, the Ocean of Love. Even if you have faith in God or not faith in God - makes no difference - He still gives you the Sun. So, it will make no difference to Me whether you believe in Him or not, but you should not insult Him. On the contrary, you must have an attitude that “We have not yet met Him, so let us keep us open and when we have to receive that within us, we have to be humble about it.”. If you are arrogant and adamant, God is not going to fall at your feet. I am your Mother and I am concerned, that’s why I request you and implore you to be humble, because there are Deities in you which will refuse to act if you are arrogant. Please tell your mind to wait for a while and not to bother you just now. Through your mental activity you’ve not achieved anything. So, let the Kundalini act in you. May God bless you.
4/30/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6632	The Blossom Time	Switzerland	Zurich	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	67	Public Program (German translation). Zurich (Switzerland), 30 April 1980. I’m grateful to this gentleman who is standing before you, Mr Arneau, to organise this program, especially in Zurich. It was so remarkable to find out that the five main cities of Switzerland have got five very great Sahaja Yogis (Laughter) and they have asked me to come to Switzerland and this is the first time I’m in this country for this work. While all the other fake ones have been here to settle their bank accounts before Me (Laughing) but I have come in this country to find out which are the banks of spirituality, how many human beings there are who are really interested in the spiritual life. In My lifetime I have seen many rich people and also I’m told this country is very much blessed by them. For example, a palace of a king may be very precious to human beings but a small little worm which is more aware than the palace is more precious to God. So the value system is very different in these two areas and till we understand the value of God and His working we cannot understand our innate nature. Today I’m going to talk to you about something very, very subtle which is beyond all your gross computers. We have another computer within ourselves which is very subtle in nature and unless and until we understand it we cannot use it. It is every time acting within us and decides for us everything that we do, whether it is good or bad. And the Computer Engineer is a very, very intelligent personality. He has worked out blossoming of billions and billions of flowers into fruits. He sprouts billions and billions of seeds. (Repeating for translator) Sprouts, germinates, germinates. The word German comes from germination (Laughs). The German itself word means germination, isn’t it? The one who does all these things has also given us a special capacity to evolve. He has given us a capacity to desire through a channel on the left hand side as shown. This capacity or this channel manifests outside as the left sympathetic nervous system within us in the gross. And the right hand side one is for the action of those desires. This channel is represented within us as the right sympathetic nervous system. In the centre lies the power to evolve ourselves. The scientists never sit down to find out why did we evolve? Actually science does not answer the question, why. It only says it is so whatever it sees with the gross understanding. To answer the question why, one has to have a subtler awareness. For example, if you have to see a leaf properly, you have to use a microscope. In human beings, we have evolved to a point, the awareness has reached such a point that now we are all the time seeking, finding out ourselves. When we ask these questions to ourselves, we just know that we are physical, mental, emotional selves. We are only aware of all these things within us through our human, gross awareness. Now if we have to go further with it we have to go about it in a very hypothetical manner. So for the people it is a hypothesis I put forward. This hypothesis must be accepted as you accept any scientific hypothesis. It is so fortunate that you are born at a time when I can prove this hypothesis. Earlier I could not have done it. Now we have to look at it from this angle that if evolution is a living process into which we are not involved we are not aware, then it is something beyond our mind, our rationality, we are not aware. We cannot accept that there could be anything beyond our mind, though we see every day that living processes anywhere act on their own. For an egg does not have to think how it will become a bird and he does, it does not have to analyse about it. By analysing a flower you cannot make a fruit but you can just kill it. That is, analysis goes against life, against joy. Supposing I give you a bouquet of flowers to express My love and you start analysing how much I must have paid for it, from what shop I must have brought, you completely lose the point. Freud brought out a point by saying that the desiring power, if you try to suppress it, then you get conditioned. But he did not understand that there is another power which may develop if you do not try to control your desiring power. By conditioning your desiring power you develop a superego in your head. But by acting on all your desires you develop another horrible thing called as ego. The conditioning can show its results on the physical side and mental side but ego doesn’t show any such signs. Ego-oriented societies on the whole from outside appear to be very affluent and happy. Now these ego-oriented society if they were really happy why there is such a big rate of suicide? If ego is the most satisfying thing why people who are ego-oriented drink so much or take to drugs? Why do they want to run away from reality? Why do they have problems with their families? They appear to be very serious and miserable, never cheerful. When you have to talk to them also you have to bring in some sort of a alcohol to induce some conversation between two human beings. Supposing we had said that there is going to be a free drinking today, there would have been, this hall would have been all filled. (Mother laughs) But they have no time to face reality. So, ego is much more dangerous than superego is. It eats you up from within and when it reaches its peak it will start, it starts destroying the all the human race. So we are placed between ego and superego. These two institutions were necessary to grow within us and to be calcified in our fontanelle area because that is how we felt our I’ness. These two institutions of ego and superego. Because we wanted to feel our “I”ness. When these two meet in the head here in your childhood and get calcified, you become Mr XYZ. This “I”ness is given to us to know our freedom and to choose the right and wrong by developing our sense of discrimination, to be XYZ, to be Mr XYZ, the freedom. So an individuality is given to you. You become an individual. You become an individual. Now this little individual starts thinking that he is the lord of the universe and he just transforms something dead into another dead form and he thinks he’s doing great works. Actually human beings don’t do anything important. Even a small thing, our like our breathing, if we have to analyse it, we’ll be all dead. This evolutionary power is within us in the centre as I told you, comes to us by giving us at different stages the, what you call, sustenance. Sustenance, sustenance. What is the word for sustenance in, no word? I mean the quality. You mean, you see, yes, I mean as in carbon you have got the tetravalent, it has four valences, it’s a quality of carbon It’s the qualiy of carbon, is it’s tetravalent. Like the gold, it is untarnishable. In the same way we get in our evolution a sustenance by which we rise gradually up to the stage of human beings. All these seven centres which I have shown you here are the milestones of our evolutionary process. In our evolution an incarnation came on this earth to help us to cross the ocean of ignorance. To cross the ocean of ignorance. That means every time our awareness was given a new dimension by these incarnations. For example, in the centre of our brain where the pineal body and the pituitary is placed there is a centre where resides the incarnation of Jesus Christ. Into the pineal and the pituitary body. All right, you can say, this is a universal word. It’s a universal word. The pituitary, pituitary gland, yes. Resides, and there’s no German word you see. Now all that what I’m saying to you can be proved after your realisation, means your enlightenment. Means when you, you have… Now to get this (taking the German word from the translator) “erleuchtung”, God has placed within us in the triangular bone called as sacrum a three and a half coiled energy which is called as Kundalini. The word sacrum itself is suggesting that it is sacred and it is amazing that the human body, when it burns, this bone does not get burnt. Now this is our germinating power. You should say German power (Mother laughs).The word germ comes from German itself, isn’t it? And when this power receives the indication that there is a light which can guide it then it sprouts the same way as a seed sprouts. This Kundalini you can see pulsating with your naked eyes in the process of Sahaja Yoga. You can see it’s rising with your naked eye and it reaches the height here. You can feel the throbbing just like a heart pulsating here on the fontanelle bone. When it breaks through then you can feel the blissful state within yourself. This is your baptism, which is actualisation and it is described that when you get your realisation then you get the radiation of your spirit which resides in your heart, coming as cool breeze. This cannot be done by any other method. All other analytical and dogmatic methods are absolutely artificial. I find a big joke going on in this world in the name of religion and in the name of baptism. There is no transformation by these artificial dramas. People feel again through their ego that if they can pay for their evolution to some guru or somebody then they can achieve their realisation. I’ve already told you there is a very different value system. God does not understand money and banking. He understands seeking and love. So when it happens to you the transformation takes place first of all that your fingers get all enlightened with these different centres as shown in the picture. You can actually feel your own centres and centres of others on your fingers. So you can find out what’s wrong with your centres and with others. And this power that is radiating from you can cure your centres. By this awakening you get rid of diseases like cancer and many incurable diseases like diabetes, heart and mental problems. It is most surprising that so many people have come to me after contacting cancer. Some doctors and even our president of India have been cured of cancer and they are going to have now a regular method of establishing it through our government channels to control cancer and other diseases by Sahaja Yoga. But for this gross work also I think it is not possible that we can pay full attention as we have very few Sahaja Yogis in the West for this gross work of curing also .And why should God cure people who are not interested in seeking Him? Of course, He is compassionate but in His compassion He thinks that He can recreate you later on when you have a better body you will seek Him better. For Him nobody dies. He can always recreate new people. So His main interest are the seekers. He’s not bothered what money you have or degrees you have, what dress you wear. He judges you on this point, how much you are seeking Him. How much you are interested in your self evolution. How much you are genuinely, sincerely asking? Now you may say that India is very much poorer compared to all these Western countries. But in Indian villages Sahaja Yoga is working marvels. But Indian big cities are useless. They are westernised and they have new values and they value gold more than their own spirit. They are interested in speculation with, speculation from (Laughing) Zurich. They sleep with their telephone next to their head.. They are all right for this world but they are not aware of the beauty within. They are becoming grosser and grosser. That’s why they are better for these fake gurus to spoil them. They get impressed by the circus of the fake gurus very easily because they pamper the ego of these people. No wonder Christ has said that it is easy to pass a camel through the nose of a needle but a rich man will not enter into the kingdom of God. (Laughter) Now I know why He said it because money also gives us all the methods of ruining our subtler being. There’s no love between the mother and the child when they are rich. Everything is valued on money. Same thing is about power. Same thing is about all the talents that God has given to human beings. Anything God tried to give, they have made a mess out of it. Imagine how much you are blessed by God, by nature, and by all other abundance and imagine people are only busy planning their suicides. Unless and until you find your absolute in your heart or your wholesomeness you can never be happy. The void you see here is the void between our awareness and God or Divine . All the Kundalini’s effort is to give you your second birth. She is your loving Mother. In every life She has been born with you and has been waiting for this great chance to give you the boon of the heavens and this should work out within you so you get your enlightenment. Like this room if it is dark, you cannot understand it. At the most you can understand it as a chair, or a table in a disintegrated manner it’s difficult isn’t it? Laughing. Disintegration. You can explain. But once the light is put there you can see the complete integration. If there is light within you, you can see your own integration. Then you can integrate your emotional, mental and your physical being. You can nourish it and correct it. When there is light within you, you can see the darkness also in others. As you can see your dark patches, you can also see the dark patches in others. And as you see your light and your beauty, you see the beauty in others also. With your brilliance you just see the beauty only. I just see your beauty and not your darkness. That’s why I have to work day and night to manifest your beauty. We have a very beautiful festival in India called as Diwali. There are lights, there are lamps put with oil in the row and one enlightened lamp enlightens all of them in a row so that they start giving light, emitting light. But sometimes the wick is not all right and the oil is not sufficient maybe Someone has to have a store of that oil along with that work of enlightenment. Sahaja Yoga means, Sahaja means born with you, is spontaneous union with God. That means you are already a readymade light of oil. Or a very good, beautifully made candle. A beautifully made candle. There is no obligation on anyone. This has to be done spontaneously because it is my job. I think I have told you in brief in my introduction about Sahaja Yoga, what actually happens to you when you get your realisation and also you have got books to read about it. But knowing about it is not the purpose. But becoming is the thing. I was surprised in Switzerland only it has happened that after giving the speech people just went away without the experiencing. And they were saying, “She speaks very well.” I was thinking whether it was a compliment to Me or (laughing) an insult, because this is the introduction to the happening that you have to face. Like as we say that, “You come inside and I’ll give you cake to eat”. and just come inside, and it’s all cooked for you and you have all the computer within you and you have to switch to the mains, but after getting the message, they do not want to have it. I have all kinds of samples really around Me. (Laughing) I’ve all kinds of samples. I’m talking of very serious things. This is the only thing that you are in this world for. You are created from amoeba to this stage for your evolution. But you must have your self-esteem. If you do not respect yourself how can God respect you? You have time to waste for everything and you have no time for your only occupation. As a Mother I tell you that this is your coronation. Your Father is anxious to give you all your powers flowing, which are really His powers. He wants you to enter into the Kingdom of God and you should get it because it is your right to have it. We will have now the experiencing. We are very few, luckily, it will work very fast. Just a split of a second if you are ready. But if you are not ready you have to look after your centres which may be sick. It should work out. I’ll, I’ll work every bit of my drops of blood for that because I see what mess you are in and without this happening the whole creation may be destroyed. So let us start a small nucleus in Zurich by which you start propagating this living process. Please put your hands towards Me like this and take out your shoes, if possible. You enter into the realm of present. It is the area of thoughtless awareness, which is enlightened. If you are still thinking then it is better that you forgive all the people with whom you are angry or those who have harmed.	null	null	null	Public Program (German translation). Zurich (Switzerland), 30 April 1980. I’m grateful to this gentleman who is standing before you, Mr Arneau, to organise this program, especially in Zurich. It was so remarkable to find out that the five main cities of Switzerland have got five very great Sahaja Yogis (Laughter) and they have asked me to come to Switzerland and this is the first time I’m in this country for this work. While all the other fake ones have been here to settle their bank accounts before Me (Laughing) but I have come in this country to find out which are the banks of spirituality, how many human beings there are who are really interested in the spiritual life. In My lifetime I have seen many rich people and also I’m told this country is very much blessed by them. For example, a palace of a king may be very precious to human beings but a small little worm which is more aware than the palace is more precious to God. So the value system is very different in these two areas and till we understand the value of God and His working we cannot understand our innate nature. Today I’m going to talk to you about something very, very subtle which is beyond all your gross computers. We have another computer within ourselves which is very subtle in nature and unless and until we understand it we cannot use it. It is every time acting within us and decides for us everything that we do, whether it is good or bad. And the Computer Engineer is a very, very intelligent personality. He has worked out blossoming of billions and billions of flowers into fruits. He sprouts billions and billions of seeds. (Repeating for translator) Sprouts, germinates, germinates. The word German comes from germination (Laughs). The German itself word means germination, isn’t it? The one who does all these things has also given us a special capacity to evolve. He has given us a capacity to desire through a channel on the left hand side as shown. This capacity or this channel manifests outside as the left sympathetic nervous system within us in the gross. And the right hand side one is for the action of those desires. This channel is represented within us as the right sympathetic nervous system. In the centre lies the power to evolve ourselves. The scientists never sit down to find out why did we evolve? Actually science does not answer the question, why. It only says it is so whatever it sees with the gross understanding. To answer the question why, one has to have a subtler awareness. For example, if you have to see a leaf properly, you have to use a microscope. In human beings, we have evolved to a point, the awareness has reached such a point that now we are all the time seeking, finding out ourselves. When we ask these questions to ourselves, we just know that we are physical, mental, emotional selves. We are only aware of all these things within us through our human, gross awareness. Now if we have to go further with it we have to go about it in a very hypothetical manner. So for the people it is a hypothesis I put forward. This hypothesis must be accepted as you accept any scientific hypothesis. It is so fortunate that you are born at a time when I can prove this hypothesis. Earlier I could not have done it. Now we have to look at it from this angle that if evolution is a living process into which we are not involved we are not aware, then it is something beyond our mind, our rationality, we are not aware. We cannot accept that there could be anything beyond our mind, though we see every day that living processes anywhere act on their own. For an egg does not have to think how it will become a bird and he does, it does not have to analyse about it. By analysing a flower you cannot make a fruit but you can just kill it. That is, analysis goes against life, against joy. Supposing I give you a bouquet of flowers to express My love and you start analysing how much I must have paid for it, from what shop I must have brought, you completely lose the point. Freud brought out a point by saying that the desiring power, if you try to suppress it, then you get conditioned. But he did not understand that there is another power which may develop if you do not try to control your desiring power. By conditioning your desiring power you develop a superego in your head. But by acting on all your desires you develop another horrible thing called as ego. The conditioning can show its results on the physical side and mental side but ego doesn’t show any such signs. Ego-oriented societies on the whole from outside appear to be very affluent and happy. Now these ego-oriented society if they were really happy why there is such a big rate of suicide? If ego is the most satisfying thing why people who are ego-oriented drink so much or take to drugs? Why do they want to run away from reality? Why do they have problems with their families? They appear to be very serious and miserable, never cheerful. When you have to talk to them also you have to bring in some sort of a alcohol to induce some conversation between two human beings. Supposing we had said that there is going to be a free drinking today, there would have been, this hall would have been all filled. (Mother laughs) But they have no time to face reality. So, ego is much more dangerous than superego is. It eats you up from within and when it reaches its peak it will start, it starts destroying the all the human race. So we are placed between ego and superego. These two institutions were necessary to grow within us and to be calcified in our fontanelle area because that is how we felt our I’ness. These two institutions of ego and superego. Because we wanted to feel our “I”ness. When these two meet in the head here in your childhood and get calcified, you become Mr XYZ. This “I”ness is given to us to know our freedom and to choose the right and wrong by developing our sense of discrimination, to be XYZ, to be Mr XYZ, the freedom. So an individuality is given to you. You become an individual. You become an individual. Now this little individual starts thinking that he is the lord of the universe and he just transforms something dead into another dead form and he thinks he’s doing great works. Actually human beings don’t do anything important. Even a small thing, our like our breathing, if we have to analyse it, we’ll be all dead. This evolutionary power is within us in the centre as I told you, comes to us by giving us at different stages the, what you call, sustenance. Sustenance, sustenance. What is the word for sustenance in, no word? I mean the quality. You mean, you see, yes, I mean as in carbon you have got the tetravalent, it has four valences, it’s a quality of carbon It’s the qualiy of carbon, is it’s tetravalent. Like the gold, it is untarnishable. In the same way we get in our evolution a sustenance by which we rise gradually up to the stage of human beings. All these seven centres which I have shown you here are the milestones of our evolutionary process. In our evolution an incarnation came on this earth to help us to cross the ocean of ignorance. To cross the ocean of ignorance. That means every time our awareness was given a new dimension by these incarnations. For example, in the centre of our brain where the pineal body and the pituitary is placed there is a centre where resides the incarnation of Jesus Christ. Into the pineal and the pituitary body. All right, you can say, this is a universal word. It’s a universal word. The pituitary, pituitary gland, yes. Resides, and there’s no German word you see. Now all that what I’m saying to you can be proved after your realisation, means your enlightenment. Means when you, you have… Now to get this (taking the German word from the translator) “erleuchtung”, God has placed within us in the triangular bone called as sacrum a three and a half coiled energy which is called as Kundalini. The word sacrum itself is suggesting that it is sacred and it is amazing that the human body, when it burns, this bone does not get burnt. Now this is our germinating power. You should say German power (Mother laughs).The word germ comes from German itself, isn’t it? And when this power receives the indication that there is a light which can guide it then it sprouts the same way as a seed sprouts. This Kundalini you can see pulsating with your naked eyes in the process of Sahaja Yoga. You can see it’s rising with your naked eye and it reaches the height here. You can feel the throbbing just like a heart pulsating here on the fontanelle bone. When it breaks through then you can feel the blissful state within yourself. This is your baptism, which is actualisation and it is described that when you get your realisation then you get the radiation of your spirit which resides in your heart, coming as cool breeze. This cannot be done by any other method. All other analytical and dogmatic methods are absolutely artificial. I find a big joke going on in this world in the name of religion and in the name of baptism. There is no transformation by these artificial dramas. People feel again through their ego that if they can pay for their evolution to some guru or somebody then they can achieve their realisation. I’ve already told you there is a very different value system. God does not understand money and banking. He understands seeking and love. So when it happens to you the transformation takes place first of all that your fingers get all enlightened with these different centres as shown in the picture. You can actually feel your own centres and centres of others on your fingers. So you can find out what’s wrong with your centres and with others. And this power that is radiating from you can cure your centres. By this awakening you get rid of diseases like cancer and many incurable diseases like diabetes, heart and mental problems. It is most surprising that so many people have come to me after contacting cancer. Some doctors and even our president of India have been cured of cancer and they are going to have now a regular method of establishing it through our government channels to control cancer and other diseases by Sahaja Yoga. But for this gross work also I think it is not possible that we can pay full attention as we have very few Sahaja Yogis in the West for this gross work of curing also .And why should God cure people who are not interested in seeking Him? Of course, He is compassionate but in His compassion He thinks that He can recreate you later on when you have a better body you will seek Him better. For Him nobody dies. He can always recreate new people. So His main interest are the seekers. He’s not bothered what money you have or degrees you have, what dress you wear. He judges you on this point, how much you are seeking Him. How much you are interested in your self evolution. How much you are genuinely, sincerely asking? Now you may say that India is very much poorer compared to all these Western countries. But in Indian villages Sahaja Yoga is working marvels. But Indian big cities are useless. They are westernised and they have new values and they value gold more than their own spirit. They are interested in speculation with, speculation from (Laughing) Zurich. They sleep with their telephone next to their head.. They are all right for this world but they are not aware of the beauty within. They are becoming grosser and grosser. That’s why they are better for these fake gurus to spoil them. They get impressed by the circus of the fake gurus very easily because they pamper the ego of these people. No wonder Christ has said that it is easy to pass a camel through the nose of a needle but a rich man will not enter into the kingdom of God. (Laughter) Now I know why He said it because money also gives us all the methods of ruining our subtler being. There’s no love between the mother and the child when they are rich. Everything is valued on money. Same thing is about power. Same thing is about all the talents that God has given to human beings. Anything God tried to give, they have made a mess out of it. Imagine how much you are blessed by God, by nature, and by all other abundance and imagine people are only busy planning their suicides. Unless and until you find your absolute in your heart or your wholesomeness you can never be happy. The void you see here is the void between our awareness and God or Divine . All the Kundalini’s effort is to give you your second birth. She is your loving Mother. In every life She has been born with you and has been waiting for this great chance to give you the boon of the heavens and this should work out within you so you get your enlightenment. Like this room if it is dark, you cannot understand it. At the most you can understand it as a chair, or a table in a disintegrated manner it’s difficult isn’t it? Laughing. Disintegration. You can explain. But once the light is put there you can see the complete integration. If there is light within you, you can see your own integration. Then you can integrate your emotional, mental and your physical being. You can nourish it and correct it. When there is light within you, you can see the darkness also in others. As you can see your dark patches, you can also see the dark patches in others. And as you see your light and your beauty, you see the beauty in others also. With your brilliance you just see the beauty only. I just see your beauty and not your darkness. That’s why I have to work day and night to manifest your beauty. We have a very beautiful festival in India called as Diwali. There are lights, there are lamps put with oil in the row and one enlightened lamp enlightens all of them in a row so that they start giving light, emitting light. But sometimes the wick is not all right and the oil is not sufficient maybe Someone has to have a store of that oil along with that work of enlightenment. Sahaja Yoga means, Sahaja means born with you, is spontaneous union with God. That means you are already a readymade light of oil. Or a very good, beautifully made candle. A beautifully made candle. There is no obligation on anyone. This has to be done spontaneously because it is my job. I think I have told you in brief in my introduction about Sahaja Yoga, what actually happens to you when you get your realisation and also you have got books to read about it. But knowing about it is not the purpose. But becoming is the thing. I was surprised in Switzerland only it has happened that after giving the speech people just went away without the experiencing. And they were saying, “She speaks very well.” I was thinking whether it was a compliment to Me or (laughing) an insult, because this is the introduction to the happening that you have to face. Like as we say that, “You come inside and I’ll give you cake to eat”. and just come inside, and it’s all cooked for you and you have all the computer within you and you have to switch to the mains, but after getting the message, they do not want to have it. I have all kinds of samples really around Me. (Laughing) I’ve all kinds of samples. I’m talking of very serious things. This is the only thing that you are in this world for. You are created from amoeba to this stage for your evolution. But you must have your self-esteem. If you do not respect yourself how can God respect you? You have time to waste for everything and you have no time for your only occupation. As a Mother I tell you that this is your coronation. Your Father is anxious to give you all your powers flowing, which are really His powers. He wants you to enter into the Kingdom of God and you should get it because it is your right to have it. We will have now the experiencing. We are very few, luckily, it will work very fast. Just a split of a second if you are ready. But if you are not ready you have to look after your centres which may be sick. It should work out. I’ll, I’ll work every bit of my drops of blood for that because I see what mess you are in and without this happening the whole creation may be destroyed. So let us start a small nucleus in Zurich by which you start propagating this living process. Please put your hands towards Me like this and take out your shoes, if possible. You enter into the realm of present. It is the area of thoughtless awareness, which is enlightened. If you are still thinking then it is better that you forgive all the people with whom you are angry or those who have harmed.
5/1/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6630	Opening the heart	Switzerland	Zurich	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	32	Public programme Zurich 1.5.80 Opening the heart. Happy to see so many of you have been able to come to this programme of Sahaja Yoga. I am also very much thankful to Kalbermatten family, especially Gregoire and his brother, particularly Arneau who insisted that I must come to Zurich and talk about Sahaja Yoga. We are really blessed by nature today. I went and saw your beautiful lake and the beautiful scenes in the sunshine, the way everybody was bathing and enjoying. Today, I am going to speak to you about something very subtle within you. Many German writers have written about the power, which sleeps within us to give us Self-realization, known as Kundalini. Unfortunately, none of them had the experience of Self-realization. So, the description falls very much short of the reality. If you have read any one of these books, you will think that Kundalini awakening is the most difficult thing. When we told our grandmother, that human beings have landed on the Moon, she could not believe it. As we have grown outside so much, also there has been an inner growth within us. Think at the time of Christ, the way people crucified Him; you can’t do that to me now. He had twelve fishermen with whom He had to talk about Kundalini. It was impossible even to talk about divine power to them. But today, at this time, I am facing intelligent people who will understand what I am going to tell them. Till Christ got his resurrection, they never believed Him. I am very fortunate. Now when you listen to me about Kundalini, you must know that it is a hypothesis put forward before you and you must keep your mind open like a scientist. Here you see in the triangular bone lies the Kundalini, the power which is going to give you your second birth. She awakens when there is somebody who has the authority to awaken Her from God. It cannot be awakened by giving money or by standing on your heads. It is absurd to believe in such things that by paying money you can sprout even a seed. Germinate. I said from German the word comes, germinate. Neither you can make any effort about it. God has made you beautifully from amoebic stage to this stage and has placed all your various milestones within you as these centres. When the Kundalini arises, you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation in the triangular bone, which is called as sacrum, meaning sacred bone. There are all kinds of fake gurus who make you dance naked or, I don’t know, they say they will fly, all sort of promises they make but nobody can make the Kundalini jump or pulsate. Whatever you can do like jumping, dancing, taking out clothes, standing on your heads, is not that God can do. God does something more than you can do. Something different. Jumping, taking out clothes, or shouting or flying and all that nonsense. Convulsions and all sorts of things. The Kundalini rises spontaneously and it passes through all these six centres, the seventh centre is down below and all these six centres it passes and pierces through the fontanelle bone area and connects you to the All-pervading Divine Power. The Kundalini awakening is very clearly described by Adi Shankaracharya. He has said it in one of his couplets, “Na yogya, na sankhya.” By all these tricks and by reading about Kundalini, the Kundalini doesn’t rise. Only through the Mother’s grace, it will rise. India has been a yoga-oriented country. Our attention and ultimate goal of life is to achieve union with the Divine. When I went to America in 1973, I felt so many saints are born in this country; they might have been Indians searching in ancient ages. They were seekers – saint and seekers. I felt they might have been the saints, who were searching in the ancient ages in India. I find so many them, of them in England and Switzerland and all over the West. I am ashamed the way Indian horrible gurus have come to the West to make money and to loot you. They have taken advantage of your spiritual naivety. One has to understand first of all what are we and what we are to expect as our Self-realization? These seven centres that are within you represent the different emotional, physical, mental and other selves, which are within you. They actually represent the different milestones in your living evolutionary process. Living. These centres within us are in the gross, some in the medulla oblongata, or you can call the spinal cord, and some in the brain. These centres are in a subtle way in our medulla oblongata or you can say the spinal cord, and some in the brain; two of them are in the brain. In the gross, they manifest the plexuses. These plexuses are like, the first one is manifesting the pelvic plexus. It’s a general name. The second one is manifesting the aortic plexus. This yellow is the aortic plexus. The third one, which is the solar plexus, is manifesting the solar plexus. The third one, the cardiac plexus. The fourth one, cardiac plexus in the centre. The fifth one is the cervical plexus. And the sixth one is placed between the pituitary and the pineal body and the seventh one is placed on top here in the fontanelle bone area which actually is a big centre which we can call, which we call as limbic area. It lies in the limbic area inside the brain, inside, where the optic is, here on the fontanelle bone area, which is a soft bone when you are a child. Now the left side that you see here of the blue colour channel which is called as Ida channel in the subtle form is expressing itself as the left sympathetic nervous system. The Ida channel on the left-hand side manifests itself as left sympathetic and the right-hand side, Pingala side channel manifests itself as right sympathetic. The left side is the one which is our past. Manifests all our past or collects all our past, is used for our conditioning. It is the power of our desire or a desiring power, you can call. Now as a by-product of the left side is created a that black or deep blue coloured pouch or you can call it a balloon-like structure, is the super ego which we develop by our conditioning. And from the right-hand side use, from the right side use, we produce our ego, which is shown in the yellow colour, that of the bile. Now we have to understand how this happening takes place by giving you a simile of a spacecraft. By giving a simile of a space craft. Space craft, the Sputnik and that. Simile. A comparison. Example of. I’m sorry (laughs). Now the spacecraft as you know has got many, er, what you call, containers set in each other like a telescope. Spacecraft has got many containers fitted into each other like a telescope. So the whole stuff first flies out or goes out towards the space with a certain velocity. The whole of the machinery goes towards the space with a certain velocity, to a point, first, with certain velocity. Now when the first container explodes, the rest of it is triggered with a much higher velocity, say if it is the first is V, it is V raised to the power, say, X. Then the second one explodes and the third one explodes and the fourth one explodes. Maybe the velocity now becomes V raised to power 100 or VX raised to power 100. At the last stage, at the last stage, the last container explodes and releases the spacecraft into the space. Into the space. In the same way, your evolution takes place. It is all built in the seed. It is all built in your seed, in the seed. Like the seed has the complete tree and all the trees that are going to follow, in the same way from the matter you start growing into human level. It is very difficult for the biologist to explain how in this such a short time, a man is created out of a small, little amoeba. If you apply the law of chance, it is an impossibility. So there has to be some juggler to do this job. Now when you want to run fast, the beat of your heart increases. So that means in emergency, you can act, ask the sympathetic to enact. But the reducing of the rate of the heart and of the respiration is done by parasympathetic. Slowing down. They call it autonomous nervous system. But who is this auto? The other question one can ask oneself that, “Why have I become a human being from amoeba stage?” The third question one should ask, “Have I found out the meaning of this instrument that is a human being?” The meaning of this instrument. For example, if I make this instrument, you will ask, “Why are you making this?” But once this is made, unless and until I put it to the mains, it doesn’t work. It has no meaning. Supposing I say, “There is beautiful music on here”, you cannot hear. But if I bring a beautiful radio and put it to the mains, you can hear the beautiful music and you are amazed. I say verily the same way you are made a beautiful instrument just to be put to the mains. By the developing your ego and superego and by closing it down by calcification, you have become an individual to seek God. And at this stage in the modern times, you find that so many people are seeking. What are you seeking within yourself? You are seeking that absolute, which gives meaning to all that is relative. You are seeking your wholesomeness. You are seeking your relation of this microcosm into the macrocosm, which is the higher being or the primordial being. Thanks to many psychologists like Jung and many biologists like Du Noüy [French mathematician, biophysicist] and other people, we have heard the words like “collective consciousness”. But in India, it is a very well-known fact that you have to jump into your collective consciousness, that there has to be breakthrough into your unconscious so it becomes one with your conscious mind. There has to be the breakthrough into the unconscious so that the unconscious become conscious. It has to become, is an actualisation. It is not story telling or brain washing. It has to happen to you. Your instrument must start working. Means you should get the subjective knowledge. Means the spirit in your heart, which knows everything about you, must come into your conscious mind. That means your Spirit, the Atma, you must feel it on your central nervous system. Otherwise, all these tall stories had no meaning. You meet, on broad base, two types of people who are seekers. On broad scale. On broad scale there are two types. The one who believe in all these prophets and are following some organized religion, they believe into something because they are born into it. If they are born in India, they believe in Hinduism. If they are born in England, they believe in Christianity. If they are born in, say, Switzerland, they believe in Catholicism. The other side is, the other people are the ones who have denied all these as absolutely false. They only believe in science and what they see with these gross eyes. But I say, there is God. He exists. And He exists in the centre, not on left or the right, not in blind faith, nor in denial, but in Being. The first one, the first type, close their eyes; the others turn their eyes. But the one who want to see can see now. He resides within our heart and He manifests within us and we are aware of Him as somebody who is looking at us. So whether you believe in it or not, it exists. Like two stupid people saw the sun going down. Two stupid people, they started quarrelling whether it was a sun or a moon. The third stupid came in to help them out. So they asked him whether it is sun or moon. So the third stupid fellow says that, “I am a foreigner. I’m sorry”. So all these things do not give any answer which is absolute. Everything, your political ideas, your economic ideas, are all absolutely relative. Some say Communism is good; some say Capitalism is good. First you discover your capital in your heart, as I have discovered. Once you discover that, you cannot help distributing it. So you become the greatest capitalist and the greatest communist; you become. You do not profess anything. You just become. Now as I have told you that it is already it is within you, just like a candle has its all preparation to be enlightened. When the Kundalini rises, She enlightens your candle. You start seeing the whole picture as an integrated being. Your physical being is enlightened, by which you are given your vital force and you overcome your physical problems. When your emotional being is enlightened, your emotional problems are solved. Same with a mental problem. There is a very horrible guru living in your Switzerland who is making the big money, has created lots of epileptic patients around me. They say he has a bed made out of diamonds. He lives on other people’s money like a parasite. You don’t use your brains; that’s the main thing. He is giving you flying exercises; you are falling on the streets as epileptic patients. So many such sick people come to me and give me a headache. I have to remove their mental problem. They’re all hypnotized; they are crazy people. They have achieved nothing. They go to India and there they become naked and dance and finish all their money from Switzerland. In India, people think you have lost all your heads. The villagers cannot understand how you intelligent people could be befooled to that extent. They pamper your ego, or what do they do, God alone knows. You are seekers of the ages. All your good earnings of your seeking in previous lives, are you going to waste them like this on these parasites? They don’t know where are they moving, just like in a tunnel. And there’s a mafia on. Complete secrecy. A mantra is sold for 300 pounds. If there is any Indian, will know it means stupidity. In Sahaja Yoga, after Realisation, you can coin all the mantras and you will know all the chakras and all the deities. Unless and until you are enlightened, no deity is going to know you.Unless or until you are enlightened. Even if you go to church or to a temple or do whatever you please, you cannot take any mantras. It would be like a toy telephone, which is not connected to the mains, you are telephoning. I have come on this Earth, to give you the complete knowledge of your spirit and of your being. And to give you that enlightened dimension to your awareness by which you will be able to make out who is real, and who is unreal. After your enlightenment, you will know how to use this power which is radiating through you. You will know how to cure yourself and cure others, mentally and physically. You will know sitting down here what is wrong with a person about whom you are thinking. You will jump into the realm of Brahma, that is the divine power, which is all-pervading. Will jump into the realm of Brahma, of the divine power. The divine power, which is all pervading. This power organises the whole universe. This changes these flowers into fruits and seeds. This power sprouts the seeds. Kundalini is the representative of the same power. That is your individual; everybody has their own Mother sitting down there. She loves you and She is waiting for an opportunity to give you this Realisation. She loves you. This has to be performed now and now, because the blossom time has come. Many beautiful flowers have to find their fruitful meaning. It will happen to all the nations. But in the ego-oriented societies, it takes some time. Because this ego gentleman, he wants to keep us out of the reality. It is very much mis-identified from the very beginning. For example, to say that I am born of such a family or of such a country, everybody has to carry a passport, like a criminal branded with a number. God created this whole universe for your use and for your joy. When the Kundalini rises and makes you collectively conscious you become collectively conscious; then your identifications with all these nonsensical separation drops. All this mis-identification stops. You know your self-esteem and you understand your dignity. You become the master of yourself. It’s a beautiful happening. The ego collapses in the presence of reality, because human beings do not do anything. A tree dies; they make a chair. Dead from the dead. They sit on the chair; they can’t sit on the ground. The chair sits on their head. After some time, you will find people carrying the chair with them. With all these enterprises we allow this matter to sit on our head. But the Holy Person who speaks in the name of God is not bothered about comforts of life. He can live in the greatest comforts or He can just sleep on the street. Because He is an Emperor, nobody can dominate. Emporer. No greed or lust can dominate such a person. You cannot give any money, nothing, to such a person. Such a person just gives. He emits love. And He fights the stand with courage. He protects the seekers. And He is joyous within Himself because He’s the embodiment of joy and comfort. We don’t have to go too far. We had Christ for ourselves, only 2000 years back, Whom we crucified. The One who had only two robes in his life, now people have made clothes and buildings and the half of London is owned by the Church. This is not Christianity. In India, there is one Shankaracharya who is making a gold big umbrella studded with diamonds. While the Adi Shankaracharya used only a dhoti, one dhoti, to tie up. He never had stitched clothes to wear. He walked bare feet; he had no shoes. Now our Shankaracharya is trying to copy your Pope. How beautiful he is going to look with an umbrella of gold, when it will fall on his head! They have no shame. It is for you young people who are thinking about it, to rise today to reality, and not to be bowed down to any dogmas or any nonsensical ideas that have been so far ruling, nor you get possessed by science. Science has only rationality, no heart. It is a heartless thing. So when you move away from your heart into science, you must remember that you are a human being and you are not a machine. All the human beings are planning to destroy each other. What a sensible class of people! Animals do not plan like this cold-blooded. We are either being dominated by others or we try to dominate others. When are we going to understand that we are the most important creation of God? We have much greater purposes than to create these horrible H-bombs and atom bombs. In Switzerland, I have heard that people, the rate of suicide is now more than Sweden. There is a big competition going on between these two countries [laughs]. With all the beautiful things God has given you, you are sitting down here how to commit suicide or to kill others. Everything seems to be in a mess! All intelligent people should understand that there are lots of complications created by our own complications. We have to get ourselves sorted out. When you are in the waves, you are afraid of drowning. The thought wave arises and falls down and another arises and falls down. Thought wave. Thought wave arises and falls down. Another arises and falls down. Thought. We live either in the past or in the future. By living in the past, we are frightened. And when we, in living in the future, we aggress. We have to be in the centre, in the present. But again, I have to say that I cannot do it just by telling you. It is a happening that must take place. I have said it in 1970 that cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Kundalini awakening, because the Kundalini rises through the parasympathetic and connects you with the All-pervading Power, which is all the time flowing within you. Now for example, left and right are the two sympathetic, which are pulling the energy from the centre. Left and right are the two hands of mine are pulling the energy from the centre here. Left and right. For left what did you say? (?) Now when the energy gets exhausted, the deities sleep off and you get into two divided portions. And then the energy starts working on its own because it is not connected with the whole, and then the cell becomes malignant, on their own. Then the cells become malignant without any relationship to the whole. For example, somebody will develop a big nose like that, out of proportion to the body, and will oppress other cells. And will oppress other cells. But by this happening, the complete linkage takes place of these centres. Now luckily, I, by chance, I cured the President of India of cancer of lung. He sent his Secretary of Health to me to discuss how we can use Sahaja Yoga on a very large scale through government help. He has also received reports that Indian villages have been very much benefited by Sahaja Yoga, even in their agriculture. But I told them very frankly, “I don’t understand red tape. I don’t understand human laws. And I do not want that when I am doing this work absolutely free, you put Me to the Parliament to answer some question, because the human norms are so funny that everybody has to pass through it”. So he is working it out and I’m sending Dr. David there and we have another doctor there to work it out so that there is no problem of facing the Parliament and the funny people (laughs).My brother also is a Member of Parliament (laughing), and he has had two heart attacks. Heart attacks come to people because of imbalance. If you work out the right-hand side activity too much, mental activity, mental activity, then the left side is neglected and frozen. Now the nature is so balancing that when you do mental activity, your heart goes out. And when you do more activity of crying, weeping, all the melodramas of reading Byron and all that, all such horrible poets who, good for nothing, make everybody cry, your brain goes off. Your brain goes off. Actually, we had one case like that who just read these melodramatic poets and his brain is off. Surprisingly his name is Ronnie, which means in Indian language, a crying baby. Because of this imbalance you develop diabetes, liver, kidney trouble, uterus. Now according to Sahaja Yoga, the second centre, which is responsible for looking after all these centres, has to also convert the fat in the stomach for the use of the brain. But if you do all the time thinking and of the future and planning, all other organs are neglected. And when you start thinking too much, again the same sort of malignancy of thought starts. When you start saying “what’s wrong?”, you are in for it. This gentleman, Mr Gregoire, came to me in a state where his thoughts were growing like horns. He could not stop his thinking. The other day, I told you, one doctor met me in Lausanne and he said, “Mother, you can cut my throat, you can take out my brain but stop thinking, for heaven’s sake!” When the Kundalini rises up to, on this point here, in the centre, then you become thoughtlessly aware. You are alert, absolutely alert, and also you know what others are talking, or if you want you can think also, but you are in silence. There is no bombardment from your ego and superego of the thoughts on your head. On the contrary, the awareness becomes so dynamic that you start seeing the essence of everything. When the Kundalini jumps out of this fontanelle area, then your fingers start feeling the cool breeze all over. The whole hand feels the cool breeze. This gentleman who came to see me yesterday, only through an advertisement, he just got it in a second. He said “I just saw your advertisement. I have seen the first time such a great experience”. Then on the fingers you get all these centres enlightened of the sympathetic and you can feel them in your hands. With this feeling developed, you can tell what diseases the person is suffering; you don’t have to go to pathological tests. One need not even go to any X-ray and starve yourself for the ordeal of X-ray. You also learn how to improve or to cure your problems in Sahaja Yoga. The greatest thing is that your computer starts working. You can ask any question which is of absolute nature. You get the answer as cool breeze in the hand. I think this gentleman seems to be a very uncomplicated man. So, in his realisation, he has also felt the bliss and joy. But normally, the people who use their rationality too much and had their ramblings in too much reading, they first try verify. They sometimes doubt about it also. I have seen some people getting up and finding out if there was a draught coming from the window. But if this draught coming from window can cure your answer, then it is a miracle. Sahaja Yoga cures most of the diseases, even arthritis, except for the diseases which are caused - and er the organ has stopped functioning or is dead. But one has to know that God must have also little interest in you. If you are very arrogant and if you think no end of yourself, God said, “All right, have some little another chance”. He is not interested in curing bodies, as I told you yesterday, because He can create thousands of them. But He is very much concerned about the sincere, truthful, humble seekers. He is the ocean of compassion. He is your Father, God Almighty. He wants to bestow all his powers to his children and He wants you to be the citizen of his Kingdom. He has made all the arrangements within you, and the time has come for you to get it. It is your right to get it. I’m here to tell you all about it, all the code and decoding of it. May God bless you. I hope most of you will get your Realisation today. And that you will become your Self by maturing into it. The Kundalini matures you, gradually. I hope it will work out but don’t think about it. It will work out. I’m sure. May God bless you. Thank you. I don’t mind answering some of your questions but there isn’t much time. If you don’t mind, better have the cake and eat it. If you are really hungry, you will not ask me how I have cooked it. Better have it. But if there is any sensible question, I would like to answer it. Thank you very much.[Cut in the audio]See for yourself, if you are thinking still. If there is a thinking coming from inside, if there is still thought in your mind coming in, then you must forgive everyone. You have to say, “I forgive everyone.” The mantra on this centre is Our Lord’s Prayer. But unless and until you are Realised, this mantra has no meaning.Christ resides in this centre here. This is the door He has talked about. You need not argue about Him; you will know everything about Him very soon. [To the translator]: they need not argue. So, you can now close your eyes, please. When the Kundalini rises in this area, there is a dilatation of the pupil. It is better to keep your eyes shut, so the Kundalini rises without any problem. Kundalini awakening is just the opposite of mesmerism. In mesmerism and hypnosis, you become somebody else. But in Realisation, you become yourself.Now just put your hands towards me and wait for the moment when you start feeling a little cool breeze in your hands. Some of you may feel pins and needles, a little bit. And some of you may feel a little heat.[End of audio]	null	null	null	Public programme Zurich 1.5.80 Opening the heart. Happy to see so many of you have been able to come to this programme of Sahaja Yoga. I am also very much thankful to Kalbermatten family, especially Gregoire and his brother, particularly Arneau who insisted that I must come to Zurich and talk about Sahaja Yoga. We are really blessed by nature today. I went and saw your beautiful lake and the beautiful scenes in the sunshine, the way everybody was bathing and enjoying. Today, I am going to speak to you about something very subtle within you. Many German writers have written about the power, which sleeps within us to give us Self-realization, known as Kundalini. Unfortunately, none of them had the experience of Self-realization. So, the description falls very much short of the reality. If you have read any one of these books, you will think that Kundalini awakening is the most difficult thing. When we told our grandmother, that human beings have landed on the Moon, she could not believe it. As we have grown outside so much, also there has been an inner growth within us. Think at the time of Christ, the way people crucified Him; you can’t do that to me now. He had twelve fishermen with whom He had to talk about Kundalini. It was impossible even to talk about divine power to them. But today, at this time, I am facing intelligent people who will understand what I am going to tell them. Till Christ got his resurrection, they never believed Him. I am very fortunate. Now when you listen to me about Kundalini, you must know that it is a hypothesis put forward before you and you must keep your mind open like a scientist. Here you see in the triangular bone lies the Kundalini, the power which is going to give you your second birth. She awakens when there is somebody who has the authority to awaken Her from God. It cannot be awakened by giving money or by standing on your heads. It is absurd to believe in such things that by paying money you can sprout even a seed. Germinate. I said from German the word comes, germinate. Neither you can make any effort about it. God has made you beautifully from amoebic stage to this stage and has placed all your various milestones within you as these centres. When the Kundalini arises, you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation in the triangular bone, which is called as sacrum, meaning sacred bone. There are all kinds of fake gurus who make you dance naked or, I don’t know, they say they will fly, all sort of promises they make but nobody can make the Kundalini jump or pulsate. Whatever you can do like jumping, dancing, taking out clothes, standing on your heads, is not that God can do. God does something more than you can do. Something different. Jumping, taking out clothes, or shouting or flying and all that nonsense. Convulsions and all sorts of things. The Kundalini rises spontaneously and it passes through all these six centres, the seventh centre is down below and all these six centres it passes and pierces through the fontanelle bone area and connects you to the All-pervading Divine Power. The Kundalini awakening is very clearly described by Adi Shankaracharya. He has said it in one of his couplets, “Na yogya, na sankhya.” By all these tricks and by reading about Kundalini, the Kundalini doesn’t rise. Only through the Mother’s grace, it will rise. India has been a yoga-oriented country. Our attention and ultimate goal of life is to achieve union with the Divine. When I went to America in 1973, I felt so many saints are born in this country; they might have been Indians searching in ancient ages. They were seekers – saint and seekers. I felt they might have been the saints, who were searching in the ancient ages in India. I find so many them, of them in England and Switzerland and all over the West. I am ashamed the way Indian horrible gurus have come to the West to make money and to loot you. They have taken advantage of your spiritual naivety. One has to understand first of all what are we and what we are to expect as our Self-realization? These seven centres that are within you represent the different emotional, physical, mental and other selves, which are within you. They actually represent the different milestones in your living evolutionary process. Living. These centres within us are in the gross, some in the medulla oblongata, or you can call the spinal cord, and some in the brain. These centres are in a subtle way in our medulla oblongata or you can say the spinal cord, and some in the brain; two of them are in the brain. In the gross, they manifest the plexuses. These plexuses are like, the first one is manifesting the pelvic plexus. It’s a general name. The second one is manifesting the aortic plexus. This yellow is the aortic plexus. The third one, which is the solar plexus, is manifesting the solar plexus. The third one, the cardiac plexus. The fourth one, cardiac plexus in the centre. The fifth one is the cervical plexus. And the sixth one is placed between the pituitary and the pineal body and the seventh one is placed on top here in the fontanelle bone area which actually is a big centre which we can call, which we call as limbic area. It lies in the limbic area inside the brain, inside, where the optic is, here on the fontanelle bone area, which is a soft bone when you are a child. Now the left side that you see here of the blue colour channel which is called as Ida channel in the subtle form is expressing itself as the left sympathetic nervous system. The Ida channel on the left-hand side manifests itself as left sympathetic and the right-hand side, Pingala side channel manifests itself as right sympathetic. The left side is the one which is our past. Manifests all our past or collects all our past, is used for our conditioning. It is the power of our desire or a desiring power, you can call. Now as a by-product of the left side is created a that black or deep blue coloured pouch or you can call it a balloon-like structure, is the super ego which we develop by our conditioning. And from the right-hand side use, from the right side use, we produce our ego, which is shown in the yellow colour, that of the bile. Now we have to understand how this happening takes place by giving you a simile of a spacecraft. By giving a simile of a space craft. Space craft, the Sputnik and that. Simile. A comparison. Example of. I’m sorry (laughs). Now the spacecraft as you know has got many, er, what you call, containers set in each other like a telescope. Spacecraft has got many containers fitted into each other like a telescope. So the whole stuff first flies out or goes out towards the space with a certain velocity. The whole of the machinery goes towards the space with a certain velocity, to a point, first, with certain velocity. Now when the first container explodes, the rest of it is triggered with a much higher velocity, say if it is the first is V, it is V raised to the power, say, X. Then the second one explodes and the third one explodes and the fourth one explodes. Maybe the velocity now becomes V raised to power 100 or VX raised to power 100. At the last stage, at the last stage, the last container explodes and releases the spacecraft into the space. Into the space. In the same way, your evolution takes place. It is all built in the seed. It is all built in your seed, in the seed. Like the seed has the complete tree and all the trees that are going to follow, in the same way from the matter you start growing into human level. It is very difficult for the biologist to explain how in this such a short time, a man is created out of a small, little amoeba. If you apply the law of chance, it is an impossibility. So there has to be some juggler to do this job. Now when you want to run fast, the beat of your heart increases. So that means in emergency, you can act, ask the sympathetic to enact. But the reducing of the rate of the heart and of the respiration is done by parasympathetic. Slowing down. They call it autonomous nervous system. But who is this auto? The other question one can ask oneself that, “Why have I become a human being from amoeba stage?” The third question one should ask, “Have I found out the meaning of this instrument that is a human being?” The meaning of this instrument. For example, if I make this instrument, you will ask, “Why are you making this?” But once this is made, unless and until I put it to the mains, it doesn’t work. It has no meaning. Supposing I say, “There is beautiful music on here”, you cannot hear. But if I bring a beautiful radio and put it to the mains, you can hear the beautiful music and you are amazed. I say verily the same way you are made a beautiful instrument just to be put to the mains. By the developing your ego and superego and by closing it down by calcification, you have become an individual to seek God. And at this stage in the modern times, you find that so many people are seeking. What are you seeking within yourself? You are seeking that absolute, which gives meaning to all that is relative. You are seeking your wholesomeness. You are seeking your relation of this microcosm into the macrocosm, which is the higher being or the primordial being. Thanks to many psychologists like Jung and many biologists like Du Noüy [French mathematician, biophysicist] and other people, we have heard the words like “collective consciousness”. But in India, it is a very well-known fact that you have to jump into your collective consciousness, that there has to be breakthrough into your unconscious so it becomes one with your conscious mind. There has to be the breakthrough into the unconscious so that the unconscious become conscious. It has to become, is an actualisation. It is not story telling or brain washing. It has to happen to you. Your instrument must start working. Means you should get the subjective knowledge. Means the spirit in your heart, which knows everything about you, must come into your conscious mind. That means your Spirit, the Atma, you must feel it on your central nervous system. Otherwise, all these tall stories had no meaning. You meet, on broad base, two types of people who are seekers. On broad scale. On broad scale there are two types. The one who believe in all these prophets and are following some organized religion, they believe into something because they are born into it. If they are born in India, they believe in Hinduism. If they are born in England, they believe in Christianity. If they are born in, say, Switzerland, they believe in Catholicism. The other side is, the other people are the ones who have denied all these as absolutely false. They only believe in science and what they see with these gross eyes. But I say, there is God. He exists. And He exists in the centre, not on left or the right, not in blind faith, nor in denial, but in Being. The first one, the first type, close their eyes; the others turn their eyes. But the one who want to see can see now. He resides within our heart and He manifests within us and we are aware of Him as somebody who is looking at us. So whether you believe in it or not, it exists. Like two stupid people saw the sun going down. Two stupid people, they started quarrelling whether it was a sun or a moon. The third stupid came in to help them out. So they asked him whether it is sun or moon. So the third stupid fellow says that, “I am a foreigner. I’m sorry”. So all these things do not give any answer which is absolute. Everything, your political ideas, your economic ideas, are all absolutely relative. Some say Communism is good; some say Capitalism is good. First you discover your capital in your heart, as I have discovered. Once you discover that, you cannot help distributing it. So you become the greatest capitalist and the greatest communist; you become. You do not profess anything. You just become. Now as I have told you that it is already it is within you, just like a candle has its all preparation to be enlightened. When the Kundalini rises, She enlightens your candle. You start seeing the whole picture as an integrated being. Your physical being is enlightened, by which you are given your vital force and you overcome your physical problems. When your emotional being is enlightened, your emotional problems are solved. Same with a mental problem. There is a very horrible guru living in your Switzerland who is making the big money, has created lots of epileptic patients around me. They say he has a bed made out of diamonds. He lives on other people’s money like a parasite. You don’t use your brains; that’s the main thing. He is giving you flying exercises; you are falling on the streets as epileptic patients. So many such sick people come to me and give me a headache. I have to remove their mental problem. They’re all hypnotized; they are crazy people. They have achieved nothing. They go to India and there they become naked and dance and finish all their money from Switzerland. In India, people think you have lost all your heads. The villagers cannot understand how you intelligent people could be befooled to that extent. They pamper your ego, or what do they do, God alone knows. You are seekers of the ages. All your good earnings of your seeking in previous lives, are you going to waste them like this on these parasites? They don’t know where are they moving, just like in a tunnel. And there’s a mafia on. Complete secrecy. A mantra is sold for 300 pounds. If there is any Indian, will know it means stupidity. In Sahaja Yoga, after Realisation, you can coin all the mantras and you will know all the chakras and all the deities. Unless and until you are enlightened, no deity is going to know you.Unless or until you are enlightened. Even if you go to church or to a temple or do whatever you please, you cannot take any mantras. It would be like a toy telephone, which is not connected to the mains, you are telephoning. I have come on this Earth, to give you the complete knowledge of your spirit and of your being. And to give you that enlightened dimension to your awareness by which you will be able to make out who is real, and who is unreal. After your enlightenment, you will know how to use this power which is radiating through you. You will know how to cure yourself and cure others, mentally and physically. You will know sitting down here what is wrong with a person about whom you are thinking. You will jump into the realm of Brahma, that is the divine power, which is all-pervading. Will jump into the realm of Brahma, of the divine power. The divine power, which is all pervading. This power organises the whole universe. This changes these flowers into fruits and seeds. This power sprouts the seeds. Kundalini is the representative of the same power. That is your individual; everybody has their own Mother sitting down there. She loves you and She is waiting for an opportunity to give you this Realisation. She loves you. This has to be performed now and now, because the blossom time has come. Many beautiful flowers have to find their fruitful meaning. It will happen to all the nations. But in the ego-oriented societies, it takes some time. Because this ego gentleman, he wants to keep us out of the reality. It is very much mis-identified from the very beginning. For example, to say that I am born of such a family or of such a country, everybody has to carry a passport, like a criminal branded with a number. God created this whole universe for your use and for your joy. When the Kundalini rises and makes you collectively conscious you become collectively conscious; then your identifications with all these nonsensical separation drops. All this mis-identification stops. You know your self-esteem and you understand your dignity. You become the master of yourself. It’s a beautiful happening. The ego collapses in the presence of reality, because human beings do not do anything. A tree dies; they make a chair. Dead from the dead. They sit on the chair; they can’t sit on the ground. The chair sits on their head. After some time, you will find people carrying the chair with them. With all these enterprises we allow this matter to sit on our head. But the Holy Person who speaks in the name of God is not bothered about comforts of life. He can live in the greatest comforts or He can just sleep on the street. Because He is an Emperor, nobody can dominate. Emporer. No greed or lust can dominate such a person. You cannot give any money, nothing, to such a person. Such a person just gives. He emits love. And He fights the stand with courage. He protects the seekers. And He is joyous within Himself because He’s the embodiment of joy and comfort. We don’t have to go too far. We had Christ for ourselves, only 2000 years back, Whom we crucified. The One who had only two robes in his life, now people have made clothes and buildings and the half of London is owned by the Church. This is not Christianity. In India, there is one Shankaracharya who is making a gold big umbrella studded with diamonds. While the Adi Shankaracharya used only a dhoti, one dhoti, to tie up. He never had stitched clothes to wear. He walked bare feet; he had no shoes. Now our Shankaracharya is trying to copy your Pope. How beautiful he is going to look with an umbrella of gold, when it will fall on his head! They have no shame. It is for you young people who are thinking about it, to rise today to reality, and not to be bowed down to any dogmas or any nonsensical ideas that have been so far ruling, nor you get possessed by science. Science has only rationality, no heart. It is a heartless thing. So when you move away from your heart into science, you must remember that you are a human being and you are not a machine. All the human beings are planning to destroy each other. What a sensible class of people! Animals do not plan like this cold-blooded. We are either being dominated by others or we try to dominate others. When are we going to understand that we are the most important creation of God? We have much greater purposes than to create these horrible H-bombs and atom bombs. In Switzerland, I have heard that people, the rate of suicide is now more than Sweden. There is a big competition going on between these two countries [laughs]. With all the beautiful things God has given you, you are sitting down here how to commit suicide or to kill others. Everything seems to be in a mess! All intelligent people should understand that there are lots of complications created by our own complications. We have to get ourselves sorted out. When you are in the waves, you are afraid of drowning. The thought wave arises and falls down and another arises and falls down. Thought wave. Thought wave arises and falls down. Another arises and falls down. Thought. We live either in the past or in the future. By living in the past, we are frightened. And when we, in living in the future, we aggress. We have to be in the centre, in the present. But again, I have to say that I cannot do it just by telling you. It is a happening that must take place. I have said it in 1970 that cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Kundalini awakening, because the Kundalini rises through the parasympathetic and connects you with the All-pervading Power, which is all the time flowing within you. Now for example, left and right are the two sympathetic, which are pulling the energy from the centre. Left and right are the two hands of mine are pulling the energy from the centre here. Left and right. For left what did you say? (?) Now when the energy gets exhausted, the deities sleep off and you get into two divided portions. And then the energy starts working on its own because it is not connected with the whole, and then the cell becomes malignant, on their own. Then the cells become malignant without any relationship to the whole. For example, somebody will develop a big nose like that, out of proportion to the body, and will oppress other cells. And will oppress other cells. But by this happening, the complete linkage takes place of these centres. Now luckily, I, by chance, I cured the President of India of cancer of lung. He sent his Secretary of Health to me to discuss how we can use Sahaja Yoga on a very large scale through government help. He has also received reports that Indian villages have been very much benefited by Sahaja Yoga, even in their agriculture. But I told them very frankly, “I don’t understand red tape. I don’t understand human laws. And I do not want that when I am doing this work absolutely free, you put Me to the Parliament to answer some question, because the human norms are so funny that everybody has to pass through it”. So he is working it out and I’m sending Dr. David there and we have another doctor there to work it out so that there is no problem of facing the Parliament and the funny people (laughs).My brother also is a Member of Parliament (laughing), and he has had two heart attacks. Heart attacks come to people because of imbalance. If you work out the right-hand side activity too much, mental activity, mental activity, then the left side is neglected and frozen. Now the nature is so balancing that when you do mental activity, your heart goes out. And when you do more activity of crying, weeping, all the melodramas of reading Byron and all that, all such horrible poets who, good for nothing, make everybody cry, your brain goes off. Your brain goes off. Actually, we had one case like that who just read these melodramatic poets and his brain is off. Surprisingly his name is Ronnie, which means in Indian language, a crying baby. Because of this imbalance you develop diabetes, liver, kidney trouble, uterus. Now according to Sahaja Yoga, the second centre, which is responsible for looking after all these centres, has to also convert the fat in the stomach for the use of the brain. But if you do all the time thinking and of the future and planning, all other organs are neglected. And when you start thinking too much, again the same sort of malignancy of thought starts. When you start saying “what’s wrong?”, you are in for it. This gentleman, Mr Gregoire, came to me in a state where his thoughts were growing like horns. He could not stop his thinking. The other day, I told you, one doctor met me in Lausanne and he said, “Mother, you can cut my throat, you can take out my brain but stop thinking, for heaven’s sake!” When the Kundalini rises up to, on this point here, in the centre, then you become thoughtlessly aware. You are alert, absolutely alert, and also you know what others are talking, or if you want you can think also, but you are in silence. There is no bombardment from your ego and superego of the thoughts on your head. On the contrary, the awareness becomes so dynamic that you start seeing the essence of everything. When the Kundalini jumps out of this fontanelle area, then your fingers start feeling the cool breeze all over. The whole hand feels the cool breeze. This gentleman who came to see me yesterday, only through an advertisement, he just got it in a second. He said “I just saw your advertisement. I have seen the first time such a great experience”. Then on the fingers you get all these centres enlightened of the sympathetic and you can feel them in your hands. With this feeling developed, you can tell what diseases the person is suffering; you don’t have to go to pathological tests. One need not even go to any X-ray and starve yourself for the ordeal of X-ray. You also learn how to improve or to cure your problems in Sahaja Yoga. The greatest thing is that your computer starts working. You can ask any question which is of absolute nature. You get the answer as cool breeze in the hand. I think this gentleman seems to be a very uncomplicated man. So, in his realisation, he has also felt the bliss and joy. But normally, the people who use their rationality too much and had their ramblings in too much reading, they first try verify. They sometimes doubt about it also. I have seen some people getting up and finding out if there was a draught coming from the window. But if this draught coming from window can cure your answer, then it is a miracle. Sahaja Yoga cures most of the diseases, even arthritis, except for the diseases which are caused - and er the organ has stopped functioning or is dead. But one has to know that God must have also little interest in you. If you are very arrogant and if you think no end of yourself, God said, “All right, have some little another chance”. He is not interested in curing bodies, as I told you yesterday, because He can create thousands of them. But He is very much concerned about the sincere, truthful, humble seekers. He is the ocean of compassion. He is your Father, God Almighty. He wants to bestow all his powers to his children and He wants you to be the citizen of his Kingdom. He has made all the arrangements within you, and the time has come for you to get it. It is your right to get it. I’m here to tell you all about it, all the code and decoding of it. May God bless you. I hope most of you will get your Realisation today. And that you will become your Self by maturing into it. The Kundalini matures you, gradually. I hope it will work out but don’t think about it. It will work out. I’m sure. May God bless you. Thank you. I don’t mind answering some of your questions but there isn’t much time. If you don’t mind, better have the cake and eat it. If you are really hungry, you will not ask me how I have cooked it. Better have it. But if there is any sensible question, I would like to answer it. Thank you very much.[Cut in the audio]See for yourself, if you are thinking still. If there is a thinking coming from inside, if there is still thought in your mind coming in, then you must forgive everyone. You have to say, “I forgive everyone.” The mantra on this centre is Our Lord’s Prayer. But unless and until you are Realised, this mantra has no meaning.Christ resides in this centre here. This is the door He has talked about. You need not argue about Him; you will know everything about Him very soon. [To the translator]: they need not argue. So, you can now close your eyes, please. When the Kundalini rises in this area, there is a dilatation of the pupil. It is better to keep your eyes shut, so the Kundalini rises without any problem. Kundalini awakening is just the opposite of mesmerism. In mesmerism and hypnosis, you become somebody else. But in Realisation, you become yourself.Now just put your hands towards me and wait for the moment when you start feeling a little cool breeze in your hands. Some of you may feel pins and needles, a little bit. And some of you may feel a little heat.[End of audio]
5/5/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6628	Sahasrara Puja: Sincerity Is The Key Of Your Success	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Sahasrara	English	66	"Sincerity is the key of your success", Sahasrara Puja, Dollis Hill ashram, London (England), 5 May 1980. We can say, in 1970, 5th May, [for the] first time, the collective Spirit of God opened out. So far the blessings of God came to human beings individually as grace. And they received their Self-realisation individually, one by one. And the method for individual realisation was just the opposite of the collective. First they had to establish their dharma, cleanse themselves fully, desiring all the time for their salvation, putting their attention to their salvation, as you call it Ishwara Pranidhan (desire for God), thinking of God, asking for His grace and acting in a scrupulous, dharmic ways to keep themselves pure. They had to control their mind, control their desires, control their action in such a manner that they absolutely kept to the centre path. And when they could get through all that testing and immunity, and when they deserved [it], then only the grace of Mother gave them realisation. This pattern was on for some time. These few people who got realisation did lots of wonderful things to prepare for Sahaj Yog. They were in every field of life, but very few and unique. For example, in India and in many other places in ancient times, they discovered the unique gifts of the Mother Earth; what you call as the swayambhus - created by themselves. These stones or stone images, which were thrown out by the Mother Earth, were discovered by these saints. They put shrines there, they worshipped them and, by worshipping, they made these images vibrate - more of vibrations and vibrate that area. All over the world there are such stones, but only the saints could discover them. Then they established the importance of virtue in life: how virtue can give you health, wealth and prosperity which is glorifying and not which is degrading or which is destructive. They established schools and universities, specially in India. And today, even today, in India, the families which belong to one university carry the name of that university as their gotras. And even today the families belonging to one (the same) gotra cannot marry. They prepared young children, educated them, in such a manner that they led a very dharmic life, enjoyed their married life fully and then they matured in such a manner that they got their realisation and lived a life of complete enjoyment. Thus they distracted the attention of people which was outside, to inner, deeper values, by their own example, by their own behaviour, by their own style of enjoyment, by leading a very cheerful and a happy life. All this permeated a kind of confidence in God, religion, and a very good, balanced life. They have really done a great job of first building the scaffoldings of the huge, great building of Sahaja Yoga which is going to come now. They are just like nuts and bolts in our whole working. Their desire to establish dharma was so great that complete Divine force of Mahakali was working through them. Then they put it to the action with such understanding and such wisdom. Great scriptures were written by them and for many years, thousands of years, they were the guiding lines (guidelines) for people. Only in the modern times, if you say about a thousand years or so, people started doubting them. Before that people used to doubt themselves. They used to doubt that, "We are not yet capable. We are not good enough. We cannot do it better, but they are perfect. Whatever they have said is all right." There was no doubting about the incarnations or about these saints, what they said. But the doubting was about themselves that, "How is it that this is the good path, we know, this is the real path, we know; still we are going in the wrong direction?" If you read the poems of those days, it's all the time [expressing] that, "Why, despite the desire to be good, to be upright, to be righteous, why am I roaming into wrong paths and wilderness?" The writers in those days always showed that a good righteous man was rewarded by God's blessings, but all this started toppling down with the ego developing and the super-ego challenging. Confusion started coming into the minds of people and they started doubting those great realised souls instead of doubting themselves. Because they could not reach anywhere near these great saints, some of them were influenced by many satanic forces around and played into their hands and started doubting those realised people and all these great scriptures. So, [on] the one side we have the doubting people, the another side the fanatics. Those who tried to adhere more and more to the teachings had to become fanatics, so they became fanatics. And those who started doubting also could not show any benefits of doubting, could not convince the fanatics that they were wrong. So on one side we had fanatics and another side the doubting people - it's like standing between the two stools - the real religion in man collapsed. There cannot be a new religion. Religion is a continuous living process within us which is our sustenance. It's like a ladder on which we climb, leaving one by one, step by step, but not leaving the ladder. All others are required. So the ultimate had to be established because of these two types of emergence, one doubting, another fanatics. Both had not known God, both had not achieved Reality, and they criticised each other because both of them did not know what Truth was. I took my birth at a point where these confusions had started showing its results even on the physical plane. All imbalances of life react - physically, mentally, emotionally, also spiritually. When I started looking around I was amazed how ignorance had made people naïve, like a cloud of ignorance which came on them. Formerly people had this much understanding, this much sensitivity to know what is right and what is wrong. Even if they were wrong they knew that wrong was wrong and right was right. But in this [world's] confused state I was born, and I knew I was to open the Sahasrara. So I started my work after my first shocks. I decided not to talk about it to anyone and lead a very, very normal life of a very ordinary person, not to be very striking. Because, like Christ when He was born, a star came up. That's how the king Herod came to know about Him, and his forces worked and you know the story what happened. If you are born with any striking signs the negativity immediately finds you out. As it is it found me out and just after the 15th day of my birth there was a very big accident as you know. I had to really, really work, very, very, very hard to enter into your being to find out the different permutations and combination. First of all I had to find out your basic problems, what are your basic problems are. Once you handle the basics then you can handle the permutations and combinations. After finding the basic problems I started finding out your permutations and combinations and I was amazed how human beings were placed to their outside world and how they reacted to their outside world. And I identified that these permutations and combinations which formed within themselves were also capped by their other identifications, like the society in which they were born, like the nation in which they were born, like the ideas that were there. All these things became much more important than the Original Being, which is Universal, within you. And every individual had taken a very odd, funny, awkward type of a shape which I didn't know how to reduce and how to bring it to proper growth level by which they start their growth. It was a very, very hard work and the nights after nights I used to work, while leading a very, very ordinary life of a very normal person. I used to deliberately behave like a very simple ordinary student and show all my ignorance about things, but sometimes, you know, Truth has an awkward habit of slipping out and it used to show itself. Then this working started and one of the biggest major problems of human beings I found was the family life and that's why I married. I wanted to study what are the problems of family life. And then I started facing these problems as if they were my own and started understanding why people behave in this manner and that manner. Because these connections are to be done, of course by you, but much more by the Divine Force and if I could know what are your problems I would be able to act. Then other problems like political, economic and all these problems also I tried to study because they became so important for human beings, which are of absolutely artificial value, but they did. So I had to see to that, what makes them do this and what makes them do that. Sort of a Human Behaviour Science I had to study for years. And then as you start unfolding or you can say unentangling or disentangling, or taking out the knots of a bundle, you reach a point where all the knots are opened out and one knot is still left, you see, which is to be opened out. And that was done on the 5th of May 1970. And once that had [been] done, the collective phenomena started working. And the greatest collective phenomena was that the Shri Chakra being on this Earth, could be felt through your fingers. This was never before so, nobody felt the fingers enlightened, nobody felt the vibrations on the fingers as such, but they felt it within themselves because the rising of the Kundalini and everything and the way they developed themselves inside, they were more concerned about one individual. They developed their inner being much more than their collective being. But now because the Sahasrara of the Universe was opened out, everybody started feeling the vibrations around them with their own hands. That means the chakras themselves were feeling before [but] now the fingers, which are manifested from the power of a particular chakra or chakras, could feel the vibrations. That means the sensitivity of the Divine, which was in the chakras, spread out to peripheries to such an extent that the human being could feel it on the fingers. This was fantastic! So my job was to move from the centre to the periphery. While moving that, whatever are the obstacles I met, I had to clear them out, one after another. And then, once all the obstacles are cleared out and all the network is properly done, then to generate the energy through this happening of Sahastrar Day. So you can imagine how important is this day! Now this much is for Myself. I don't know how many of you really know how much the Divine had to work and how many of you are really thankful to the Divine for this tremendous work, which was done through ages and now specially for these forty seven years of my life. Relentlessly it worked, keeping up the facade of a very normal, ordinary person. Because it had to reach to the ordinary, not to the extraordinary but to the ordinary. And one had to take out the extraordinary qualities in the ordinary by making them deeper. This was the tremendous task. But then I must say, that the Sahaj Yoga, when it started working out, I also was given very great workers, tools of Sahaj Yoga, who took it up upon themselves as their own responsibility. And you all should be thankful to them because they really worked very hard with Me, taking [it] up upon themselves as their own responsibility. Very few, but they did. The rest of them can be divided into many categories: Some of them just came for their own treatment or something like that, of a very low level. Or for their relations; when they got realisation they got all their sick relations to me. Then some of them came for their financial and all sorts of mental problems. Then some of them came for their family and spiritual problems, for getting rid of that. But the ones who took it up as their own responsibility, that this is what they have to do, this is their life, this is what their complete meaning is, they put entirely their attention to it and they worked it out, whatever was possible, on their own level. So today we have to understand one thing that we really need those brave people and those people who feel responsible, which is a very important virtue of Sahaj yogis. While personal things, your own chakras and your own problems and all that is not important because if the whole improves you are going to improve too. If the whole of the body improves you are going to improve. But if one finger improves [and] the rest of the body is suffering, you see, you are not going to be happy either. So the main thing is what are you doing for Sahaj Yoga? What you can do? How far you can go? How you are going to work it out? In every walk of life and field of life, those who really work it out as a great responsibility upon themselves, are the ones [who] will be given more and more powers and chances. Then in Sahaja Yoga you will find it's so simple and clean, absolutely clean. There is nothing hanky-panky about it. Right from money up to the point of you people [who] are confiding things into me. You have been telling me all about you, and I know everything about you, which I have taken into my Ocean of Love, and have tried to help you in every way, outside inside solving your problems. It is so transparent to see how Sahaj Yoga is so much a Mother to you. But whilst taking all the advantage with it, still you are more identified with your own enjoyments and your own idea of enjoyment. You people still do not enjoy that collective Spirit which was opened on the 5th May 1970. You still, in companionship, in company with each other, you enjoy it more like people who are not Sahaj yogis. Now today is the day to make a big determination that you will start enjoying your collective Spirit. Everything for the collectivity. Then the enjoyment will be maximum. You will never feel that you have sacrificed anything. But unless and until we have more of such people, the other dishwashers are of no use. Just dishwashers or of a very low grade Sahaj yogis are absolutely useless, who just want to take advantage and have a nice time, and all that, type of people. They are not going to make much mark for us. You don't need much intelligence for that, you don't need much money for that. You don't need anything but a complete desire. And one should know that, here, we are going to gain our own flowering, the flowering of the whole, of which we are the part and parcel. So you must make a determination not to bring Sahaj Yoga to your personal level or to your limited problems, or to your own relationships. It is the relationship of the Creation with God. It’s not your relationship or anybody else's relationship. As in any machine, all the wires must be connected to the mains through one main wire, in the same way you all must be connected to God individually so that you all are connected among yourselves. I've been saying this again and again and again because at Sahasrara you are being blessed of this collective Spirit. The second very important point is of complete integration within and without. Within, unless and until there is integration, we cannot bring forth the outside integration. The complete integration within, comes by dedicating yourself to your own improvement. First and foremost is: time must be given for your development. Not to show me or not to show anyone! It is between you and yourself. You have to work hard to cleanse yourself. Easy to live comfortably with all the horrible chakras within us, but it is easier also and the best, most enjoyable is, to have very clean chakras. And it comes [by], first of all, is sincerity. First of all is complete sincerity. Are we sincere to ourselves? Sometimes it is misunderstood. People think if you have to be sincere to ourself we should deny Sahaj Yoga. Sahaj Yog is the union between you and God, and the sincerity must be full, must be complete. Any kind of insincerity which comes into you is extremely detrimental. So you must know that, as your Mother has sincerity about you, you must also have sincerity about yourself. Then you will start enjoying Sahaj Yoga. That is very important to create integration within you because if it is sincerity, it comes from your heart. If it is coming from your heart then your body, your mind, your intelligence, everything will work hard to fulfil it. But if it is not coming from your heart it is going to be a superficial thing. So you try to feel it from your heart. That's what it means: sincerity. Do not depend on anyone - your wife, husband, children – nothing - mother, father. It's your own. So you have to work in such a way that you get complete integration and the driving force towards integration is a very simple one: is sincerity. Thus you will know that automatically you are getting integrated. The another factor [which] is important is patience. You must have patience with others, because if you do not have patience your sincerity will start doubting itself. So you must have patience and to get patience you must know what you have been so far and where are you. When you will know what you were, you will have patience with others, tremendous patience. And by having patience with others your sincerity will be all the time complete. By your sincerity you will be completely integrated. So we come to the point of sincerity. Now let us go deeper into it: how the sincerity is to be maintained. First of all we have to make some determinations, sankalpas (vows), of being sincere. Then we have to act by finding out how do we get insincere on what points. You are good at analysing [so] you can find it out: how do you get insincere, on what points you get insincere, what are the correcting points. Keep a control on your mind to see how does it become insincere. You'll be amazed that it's simple to be sincere than to be insincere. Is the easiest thing is to be sincere than to be deceiving because you don't have to think. To be sincere you don't have to think. If you have to be insincere you have to think, plan out and to find out methods, all the loopholes and escapes, by which you have to run away. If you have to be captive of your sincerity you don't have to worry about anything and that sincerity itself is rewarding. This principle must be written down in your hearts that sincerity itself is rewarding. You don't have to go to anybody else to ask for the reward of sincerity, sincerity itself rewards you. And that's why you start enjoying your own sincerity. If you start seeing all these things as a witness, that how your sincerity has made you so beautiful, so dignified and how you have started rising in your self-esteem, you'll be amazed how sincerity itself is a big force which will manifest its living dynamism in you and you'll be a transformed person. This transformation within you is going to change the whole world. People are going to see that you are no more a confused person, you are not a person who is doubting and neither you are a person who is a fanatic. You are not a blind person and you are a person who is alert and aware and who can see things better than others. So, Divine is only interested in such people. As I have told you before that Divine is more interested in a little worm which is alert and aware than in a palace of a king which is dead. The more alert you become the more Divine takes interest in you. But this alertness is nothing but the enlightenment of your sincerity. You'll be amazed how sincerity is the thing. That means you are loyal to yourself. You have to be loyal and not disloyal. The loyalty to yourself is sincerity and that is how I have managed Sahaj Yoga. But sincerity is my nature, I don't have to strive for it. I cannot get out of it. While, if I am your ideal you should try to imbibe my nature, within yourself. And then you will be amazed how you are connected with me. Then we all move like one wave, one being, one personality. That is the achievement of this Sahastrar Day. Sincerity of purpose brought in action, not theory and philosophy, but in action, active sincerity, in every way, and patience - all these things will bring forth the complete integration within. Once your transformation starts working out, if human beings start getting transformed, tomorrow you will be placed at the helm of affairs everywhere in the society. Try to contact other people at your own level. Whatever may be the category of life you are leading please try to contact them. By doing so you create an atmosphere which starts another circle of evolution which is the outside integration where the societies get integrated. All the people who profess different religions come to this Sahaj Yoga which is today the fruit of all the religions. The integration between political and economic situations, complete ideologies, will integrate because the source of all these is the same. It has gone into disintegration because of its artificial identifications. That's how we'll integrate the whole world into a beautiful integrated Creation, with the purpose of blissful existence for all of us to enjoy! Good times are ahead now. Maybe next Sahastrar Day, if I am with you, we will start seeing what I have said today. But today all of you must know that you are the base of Sahaj Yoga in UK and in Europe. Try to become sincere and sincere and sincere and enjoy your sincerity. I bless you all with your sincerity and today I have to tell you a few more secrets about Sahaj Yog is that, for the puja we should not get people who are of mediocre nature because to bear up puja is very difficult. People [who] have not yet understood the value of my Being, of my feet of my hands they cannot, they do not deserve to be here. So do not get anybody because he is your friend, or a sister, or a brother just down here. Is wrong. You are spoiling the chances of the poor person because it is too much for him, he cannot bear it. It is meant for very few people. So remember that it is not meant for many people. Now what we call as the charan-amrut is, means the ambrose of my feet, or you can say ambrose of my feet, is not meant for everyone. Neither the blessings of the puja are not meant for everyone. So try to avoid people who are not yet fully equipped. First thing they will start is doubting. If they do not doubt, also, there will be a problem with the protocol. They won't be able to accept it with that protocol. It's a very great privilege to be here and this privilege cannot be granted to every person. If you could understand this is the secret of Sahaj Yoga and in this secret you have to get very few people to begin with. Everything is going to be exposed one day, but not to everyone. If you can recognise this that you are privileged, then you will behave in a way that you have been given this privilege. Today's day there are many people in the whole world who are meditating. I am thinking of all those people. You have to also think [of] all of them and know that they are part and parcel of my Being as you all are and you are the alert ones. So, at this time in this puja, you are not only doing puja for yourself, for London people, but for the whole world. Not only for Sahaj yogis who are all over, of course for them also, but in this puja you are expressing yourself as Sahaj yogis, you have recognised Me, and are requesting to bless the rest of the people so that they also recognise me as you have recognised. By this puja I hope recognition will be much more clearer. By my recognition only you will recognise yourself and the whole thing will work out in a very, very beautiful manner. As I have said, next year, on 5th of May, we'll see the results of what I am saying today. Only thing [is] I want you to be sincere, not to play games in Sahaj Yoga. It will harm you very much and harm also other Sahaj yogis, so don't try to play games. It will harm you because you will be harming the path of emancipation and as a result you will be punished, as a result you will be the loser. So please try to be sincere. It is not difficult. This is not the way to be taken: many people I have seen, they think I am chastitising and all these words are wrong for Mataji it should not be used, [that] there are many words which should not be used for me. It is just your privilege to be here and [you] must understand that privileges are given to people who are deserving. I am telling you these things because you are deserving. And in that condition you must understand that this is a great privilege that I am telling you all these things and that you should feel enamoured that I am telling you that: sincerity is the key of your success. It's a privilege. I am giving you the key. While as it is, you see, the Western mind is, people think that, if you tell somebody something like that they can use a word like 'chastitise' (sic) and all these words are not to be. "Must use words which are protocolish. [It's] not proper." If in your protocol you are not alright, you know how you start fitting wrong bolts into wrong nuts and spoil the whole joke, so be careful as to how you take it. Take it as a privilege. It’s a VIP treatment for you. You are all VIP's. I cannot talk like this to the multitudes but I can tell you this because I want to give you the complete keys. If you can look at yourself as how privileged you are and understanding it, understanding what all Sahaj Yoga is, then you will understand that - what a privilege it is for you to be here, what [good] fortune, what reward for what you have done. How many lives have been completely rewarded by being here. This will help you to do puja in a more sincere manner. May God bless you! Now we must meditate, also, after puja, because my vibrations you do not suck in without meditation I have seen. And always it happens - so far I have had very few pujas in which my whole vibrations were sucked in. If you have sincerity about it, really the sincerity part of it, you'll suck all my vibrations. Tell your mind not to ask questions and to misbehave but to suck the vibrations clearly. This is for your own nourishment, for your own growth, for your own enjoyment. May God bless you. Today I am so heavy laden already, that I can't open my eyes. May God bless you. Let us start the puja. Alright? Shri Mataji: You can start. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Nirmala Vidya Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Again. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Nirmala Vidya Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Again. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Nirmala Vidya Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: The Swadishthana is better now. Come along. Are you feeling alright too? (Person: “Yes…”.) Good. Alright? Are you feeling the cool now, cool? Haven’t you? Cool breeze. Yogi: Heart. Shri Mataji: Right heart? Yogi: Left heart. Shri Mataji: Left heart. Is he better? Swadishthana is better… Alright? (laughing). Now come along. You see, if you can take out your coat you come along. I’ll just see your ??… How many days did he… Yogi: I think maybe since two years Shri Mataji: Two years. Everything works out… There. That’s alright. How are you now John, are you better? Better, relaxed? Alright. Now, one thing is you are not to feel guilty about anything. Whatever has happened has happened. Done, so done. Not to feel guilty, because that makes things much worse. Alright? Things like that, just don’t worry. Yogi: Yes. Mother. Shri Mataji: Don’t worry. That’s the point. Now. John? Yes. Left Vishuddhi is cleared out. Yogi: Thank You, Shri Mataji Shri Mataji: See. Give it. See? Here… You can give bandhan for this… Give her a bandhan. Yes. Now. See your reflection, I’m not sure (laughter). Ha! Yogini: Thank You Shri Mataji: What is you don’t know? What is to be said. It works. Here? Here you are. Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: Are you cured? John, how are you? Alright. Now you don’t put your neck here and there, or anything, you sit straight! Because when the Kundalini rises you should be quiet, and you should be steady. Steadiness is one of the signs of Realisation. Should become very steady. I can sit on one posture from nine to ten – I mean I have sat, I don’t know how much I can still! (Laughter) - But I have sat on one posture. Alright? Bala? Yes. Hang on… (inaudible words due to bad quality audio) Thank you. Yogi: Just a bit of right heart. Shri Mataji: Rama’s mantra did you take that? Yogi: Pardon? Shri Mataji: I said, Ramachandra. Did you do Rama? Yogi: I think he doesn’t know, Mother Shri Mataji: Eh? Did you do any mantras, Rama’s mantras? You don’t know. Yogi: I just don’t understand. Shri Mataji: You don’t know. Yogi: No Yogi: So it is - so it is the right heart. Shri Mataji: You are? What is it? Yogi: Kidding, kidding Shri Mataji: You really are? Yogi: Yes, very much so. Shri Mataji: This is only for England or for anybody else? (Laughter) Because this “ing” – the only sound of England, you know? Not in Sanskrit – [that is] wrong - there’s nothing like ‘ing’ – of any kind (laughter) (Long unclear section due to bad quality audio – conversation about sounds in different languages continues) Shri Mataji seems to say “Ing is not there”. Then Shri Mataji says that in Sanskrit there is a sound, which sounds like Igan, “a very big combination” between “I”(pronounced I) who is the Mother of the Universe and ‘Gan’ who is Ganesha, so it’s a very big combination”. The sound would be something like “Igan” – nasal sound – “in Sanskrit”. The yogi repeats the words ‘kidding, kidding’ accentuating the final ‘ing’ ) Put the attention to him instead. He’ll be alright… just can’t be negative. Really he understands… that what is going to happen to him… Good. Better now. (Shri Mataji says some mantras) Ha! … Ha. It is a left problem … with his Agnya. You just say the name of Mahavira, the deity of you know, left side. When you just can’t take it out, it is Mahavira, because… his Agnya, Vishuddhi… formulate the mantras … Mahavira. Say: Twameva Sakshat Shri… Yogis: Mahavira. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahavira Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahavira Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Are you ok? Are you alright? Should believe Me. You’ll be very good. Should be alright John? Good. Better? Catching completely on his Agnya. Yogi: Gruha Lakshmi Shri Mataji: Hm? Yogi: Gruha Lakshmi Shri Mataji: Alright. Say the mantra. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Gruha Lakshmi Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Gruha Lakshmi Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat …. (Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha). (End of recording)	null	null	null	"Sincerity is the key of your success", Sahasrara Puja, Dollis Hill ashram, London (England), 5 May 1980. We can say, in 1970, 5th May, [for the] first time, the collective Spirit of God opened out. So far the blessings of God came to human beings individually as grace. And they received their Self-realisation individually, one by one. And the method for individual realisation was just the opposite of the collective. First they had to establish their dharma, cleanse themselves fully, desiring all the time for their salvation, putting their attention to their salvation, as you call it Ishwara Pranidhan (desire for God), thinking of God, asking for His grace and acting in a scrupulous, dharmic ways to keep themselves pure. They had to control their mind, control their desires, control their action in such a manner that they absolutely kept to the centre path. And when they could get through all that testing and immunity, and when they deserved [it], then only the grace of Mother gave them realisation. This pattern was on for some time. These few people who got realisation did lots of wonderful things to prepare for Sahaj Yog. They were in every field of life, but very few and unique. For example, in India and in many other places in ancient times, they discovered the unique gifts of the Mother Earth; what you call as the swayambhus - created by themselves. These stones or stone images, which were thrown out by the Mother Earth, were discovered by these saints. They put shrines there, they worshipped them and, by worshipping, they made these images vibrate - more of vibrations and vibrate that area. All over the world there are such stones, but only the saints could discover them. Then they established the importance of virtue in life: how virtue can give you health, wealth and prosperity which is glorifying and not which is degrading or which is destructive. They established schools and universities, specially in India. And today, even today, in India, the families which belong to one university carry the name of that university as their gotras. And even today the families belonging to one (the same) gotra cannot marry. They prepared young children, educated them, in such a manner that they led a very dharmic life, enjoyed their married life fully and then they matured in such a manner that they got their realisation and lived a life of complete enjoyment. Thus they distracted the attention of people which was outside, to inner, deeper values, by their own example, by their own behaviour, by their own style of enjoyment, by leading a very cheerful and a happy life. All this permeated a kind of confidence in God, religion, and a very good, balanced life. They have really done a great job of first building the scaffoldings of the huge, great building of Sahaja Yoga which is going to come now. They are just like nuts and bolts in our whole working. Their desire to establish dharma was so great that complete Divine force of Mahakali was working through them. Then they put it to the action with such understanding and such wisdom. Great scriptures were written by them and for many years, thousands of years, they were the guiding lines (guidelines) for people. Only in the modern times, if you say about a thousand years or so, people started doubting them. Before that people used to doubt themselves. They used to doubt that, "We are not yet capable. We are not good enough. We cannot do it better, but they are perfect. Whatever they have said is all right." There was no doubting about the incarnations or about these saints, what they said. But the doubting was about themselves that, "How is it that this is the good path, we know, this is the real path, we know; still we are going in the wrong direction?" If you read the poems of those days, it's all the time [expressing] that, "Why, despite the desire to be good, to be upright, to be righteous, why am I roaming into wrong paths and wilderness?" The writers in those days always showed that a good righteous man was rewarded by God's blessings, but all this started toppling down with the ego developing and the super-ego challenging. Confusion started coming into the minds of people and they started doubting those great realised souls instead of doubting themselves. Because they could not reach anywhere near these great saints, some of them were influenced by many satanic forces around and played into their hands and started doubting those realised people and all these great scriptures. So, [on] the one side we have the doubting people, the another side the fanatics. Those who tried to adhere more and more to the teachings had to become fanatics, so they became fanatics. And those who started doubting also could not show any benefits of doubting, could not convince the fanatics that they were wrong. So on one side we had fanatics and another side the doubting people - it's like standing between the two stools - the real religion in man collapsed. There cannot be a new religion. Religion is a continuous living process within us which is our sustenance. It's like a ladder on which we climb, leaving one by one, step by step, but not leaving the ladder. All others are required. So the ultimate had to be established because of these two types of emergence, one doubting, another fanatics. Both had not known God, both had not achieved Reality, and they criticised each other because both of them did not know what Truth was. I took my birth at a point where these confusions had started showing its results even on the physical plane. All imbalances of life react - physically, mentally, emotionally, also spiritually. When I started looking around I was amazed how ignorance had made people naïve, like a cloud of ignorance which came on them. Formerly people had this much understanding, this much sensitivity to know what is right and what is wrong. Even if they were wrong they knew that wrong was wrong and right was right. But in this [world's] confused state I was born, and I knew I was to open the Sahasrara. So I started my work after my first shocks. I decided not to talk about it to anyone and lead a very, very normal life of a very ordinary person, not to be very striking. Because, like Christ when He was born, a star came up. That's how the king Herod came to know about Him, and his forces worked and you know the story what happened. If you are born with any striking signs the negativity immediately finds you out. As it is it found me out and just after the 15th day of my birth there was a very big accident as you know. I had to really, really work, very, very, very hard to enter into your being to find out the different permutations and combination. First of all I had to find out your basic problems, what are your basic problems are. Once you handle the basics then you can handle the permutations and combinations. After finding the basic problems I started finding out your permutations and combinations and I was amazed how human beings were placed to their outside world and how they reacted to their outside world. And I identified that these permutations and combinations which formed within themselves were also capped by their other identifications, like the society in which they were born, like the nation in which they were born, like the ideas that were there. All these things became much more important than the Original Being, which is Universal, within you. And every individual had taken a very odd, funny, awkward type of a shape which I didn't know how to reduce and how to bring it to proper growth level by which they start their growth. It was a very, very hard work and the nights after nights I used to work, while leading a very, very ordinary life of a very normal person. I used to deliberately behave like a very simple ordinary student and show all my ignorance about things, but sometimes, you know, Truth has an awkward habit of slipping out and it used to show itself. Then this working started and one of the biggest major problems of human beings I found was the family life and that's why I married. I wanted to study what are the problems of family life. And then I started facing these problems as if they were my own and started understanding why people behave in this manner and that manner. Because these connections are to be done, of course by you, but much more by the Divine Force and if I could know what are your problems I would be able to act. Then other problems like political, economic and all these problems also I tried to study because they became so important for human beings, which are of absolutely artificial value, but they did. So I had to see to that, what makes them do this and what makes them do that. Sort of a Human Behaviour Science I had to study for years. And then as you start unfolding or you can say unentangling or disentangling, or taking out the knots of a bundle, you reach a point where all the knots are opened out and one knot is still left, you see, which is to be opened out. And that was done on the 5th of May 1970. And once that had [been] done, the collective phenomena started working. And the greatest collective phenomena was that the Shri Chakra being on this Earth, could be felt through your fingers. This was never before so, nobody felt the fingers enlightened, nobody felt the vibrations on the fingers as such, but they felt it within themselves because the rising of the Kundalini and everything and the way they developed themselves inside, they were more concerned about one individual. They developed their inner being much more than their collective being. But now because the Sahasrara of the Universe was opened out, everybody started feeling the vibrations around them with their own hands. That means the chakras themselves were feeling before [but] now the fingers, which are manifested from the power of a particular chakra or chakras, could feel the vibrations. That means the sensitivity of the Divine, which was in the chakras, spread out to peripheries to such an extent that the human being could feel it on the fingers. This was fantastic! So my job was to move from the centre to the periphery. While moving that, whatever are the obstacles I met, I had to clear them out, one after another. And then, once all the obstacles are cleared out and all the network is properly done, then to generate the energy through this happening of Sahastrar Day. So you can imagine how important is this day! Now this much is for Myself. I don't know how many of you really know how much the Divine had to work and how many of you are really thankful to the Divine for this tremendous work, which was done through ages and now specially for these forty seven years of my life. Relentlessly it worked, keeping up the facade of a very normal, ordinary person. Because it had to reach to the ordinary, not to the extraordinary but to the ordinary. And one had to take out the extraordinary qualities in the ordinary by making them deeper. This was the tremendous task. But then I must say, that the Sahaj Yoga, when it started working out, I also was given very great workers, tools of Sahaj Yoga, who took it up upon themselves as their own responsibility. And you all should be thankful to them because they really worked very hard with Me, taking [it] up upon themselves as their own responsibility. Very few, but they did. The rest of them can be divided into many categories: Some of them just came for their own treatment or something like that, of a very low level. Or for their relations; when they got realisation they got all their sick relations to me. Then some of them came for their financial and all sorts of mental problems. Then some of them came for their family and spiritual problems, for getting rid of that. But the ones who took it up as their own responsibility, that this is what they have to do, this is their life, this is what their complete meaning is, they put entirely their attention to it and they worked it out, whatever was possible, on their own level. So today we have to understand one thing that we really need those brave people and those people who feel responsible, which is a very important virtue of Sahaj yogis. While personal things, your own chakras and your own problems and all that is not important because if the whole improves you are going to improve too. If the whole of the body improves you are going to improve. But if one finger improves [and] the rest of the body is suffering, you see, you are not going to be happy either. So the main thing is what are you doing for Sahaj Yoga? What you can do? How far you can go? How you are going to work it out? In every walk of life and field of life, those who really work it out as a great responsibility upon themselves, are the ones [who] will be given more and more powers and chances. Then in Sahaja Yoga you will find it's so simple and clean, absolutely clean. There is nothing hanky-panky about it. Right from money up to the point of you people [who] are confiding things into me. You have been telling me all about you, and I know everything about you, which I have taken into my Ocean of Love, and have tried to help you in every way, outside inside solving your problems. It is so transparent to see how Sahaj Yoga is so much a Mother to you. But whilst taking all the advantage with it, still you are more identified with your own enjoyments and your own idea of enjoyment. You people still do not enjoy that collective Spirit which was opened on the 5th May 1970. You still, in companionship, in company with each other, you enjoy it more like people who are not Sahaj yogis. Now today is the day to make a big determination that you will start enjoying your collective Spirit. Everything for the collectivity. Then the enjoyment will be maximum. You will never feel that you have sacrificed anything. But unless and until we have more of such people, the other dishwashers are of no use. Just dishwashers or of a very low grade Sahaj yogis are absolutely useless, who just want to take advantage and have a nice time, and all that, type of people. They are not going to make much mark for us. You don't need much intelligence for that, you don't need much money for that. You don't need anything but a complete desire. And one should know that, here, we are going to gain our own flowering, the flowering of the whole, of which we are the part and parcel. So you must make a determination not to bring Sahaj Yoga to your personal level or to your limited problems, or to your own relationships. It is the relationship of the Creation with God. It’s not your relationship or anybody else's relationship. As in any machine, all the wires must be connected to the mains through one main wire, in the same way you all must be connected to God individually so that you all are connected among yourselves. I've been saying this again and again and again because at Sahasrara you are being blessed of this collective Spirit. The second very important point is of complete integration within and without. Within, unless and until there is integration, we cannot bring forth the outside integration. The complete integration within, comes by dedicating yourself to your own improvement. First and foremost is: time must be given for your development. Not to show me or not to show anyone! It is between you and yourself. You have to work hard to cleanse yourself. Easy to live comfortably with all the horrible chakras within us, but it is easier also and the best, most enjoyable is, to have very clean chakras. And it comes [by], first of all, is sincerity. First of all is complete sincerity. Are we sincere to ourselves? Sometimes it is misunderstood. People think if you have to be sincere to ourself we should deny Sahaj Yoga. Sahaj Yog is the union between you and God, and the sincerity must be full, must be complete. Any kind of insincerity which comes into you is extremely detrimental. So you must know that, as your Mother has sincerity about you, you must also have sincerity about yourself. Then you will start enjoying Sahaj Yoga. That is very important to create integration within you because if it is sincerity, it comes from your heart. If it is coming from your heart then your body, your mind, your intelligence, everything will work hard to fulfil it. But if it is not coming from your heart it is going to be a superficial thing. So you try to feel it from your heart. That's what it means: sincerity. Do not depend on anyone - your wife, husband, children – nothing - mother, father. It's your own. So you have to work in such a way that you get complete integration and the driving force towards integration is a very simple one: is sincerity. Thus you will know that automatically you are getting integrated. The another factor [which] is important is patience. You must have patience with others, because if you do not have patience your sincerity will start doubting itself. So you must have patience and to get patience you must know what you have been so far and where are you. When you will know what you were, you will have patience with others, tremendous patience. And by having patience with others your sincerity will be all the time complete. By your sincerity you will be completely integrated. So we come to the point of sincerity. Now let us go deeper into it: how the sincerity is to be maintained. First of all we have to make some determinations, sankalpas (vows), of being sincere. Then we have to act by finding out how do we get insincere on what points. You are good at analysing [so] you can find it out: how do you get insincere, on what points you get insincere, what are the correcting points. Keep a control on your mind to see how does it become insincere. You'll be amazed that it's simple to be sincere than to be insincere. Is the easiest thing is to be sincere than to be deceiving because you don't have to think. To be sincere you don't have to think. If you have to be insincere you have to think, plan out and to find out methods, all the loopholes and escapes, by which you have to run away. If you have to be captive of your sincerity you don't have to worry about anything and that sincerity itself is rewarding. This principle must be written down in your hearts that sincerity itself is rewarding. You don't have to go to anybody else to ask for the reward of sincerity, sincerity itself rewards you. And that's why you start enjoying your own sincerity. If you start seeing all these things as a witness, that how your sincerity has made you so beautiful, so dignified and how you have started rising in your self-esteem, you'll be amazed how sincerity itself is a big force which will manifest its living dynamism in you and you'll be a transformed person. This transformation within you is going to change the whole world. People are going to see that you are no more a confused person, you are not a person who is doubting and neither you are a person who is a fanatic. You are not a blind person and you are a person who is alert and aware and who can see things better than others. So, Divine is only interested in such people. As I have told you before that Divine is more interested in a little worm which is alert and aware than in a palace of a king which is dead. The more alert you become the more Divine takes interest in you. But this alertness is nothing but the enlightenment of your sincerity. You'll be amazed how sincerity is the thing. That means you are loyal to yourself. You have to be loyal and not disloyal. The loyalty to yourself is sincerity and that is how I have managed Sahaj Yoga. But sincerity is my nature, I don't have to strive for it. I cannot get out of it. While, if I am your ideal you should try to imbibe my nature, within yourself. And then you will be amazed how you are connected with me. Then we all move like one wave, one being, one personality. That is the achievement of this Sahastrar Day. Sincerity of purpose brought in action, not theory and philosophy, but in action, active sincerity, in every way, and patience - all these things will bring forth the complete integration within. Once your transformation starts working out, if human beings start getting transformed, tomorrow you will be placed at the helm of affairs everywhere in the society. Try to contact other people at your own level. Whatever may be the category of life you are leading please try to contact them. By doing so you create an atmosphere which starts another circle of evolution which is the outside integration where the societies get integrated. All the people who profess different religions come to this Sahaj Yoga which is today the fruit of all the religions. The integration between political and economic situations, complete ideologies, will integrate because the source of all these is the same. It has gone into disintegration because of its artificial identifications. That's how we'll integrate the whole world into a beautiful integrated Creation, with the purpose of blissful existence for all of us to enjoy! Good times are ahead now. Maybe next Sahastrar Day, if I am with you, we will start seeing what I have said today. But today all of you must know that you are the base of Sahaj Yoga in UK and in Europe. Try to become sincere and sincere and sincere and enjoy your sincerity. I bless you all with your sincerity and today I have to tell you a few more secrets about Sahaj Yog is that, for the puja we should not get people who are of mediocre nature because to bear up puja is very difficult. People [who] have not yet understood the value of my Being, of my feet of my hands they cannot, they do not deserve to be here. So do not get anybody because he is your friend, or a sister, or a brother just down here. Is wrong. You are spoiling the chances of the poor person because it is too much for him, he cannot bear it. It is meant for very few people. So remember that it is not meant for many people. Now what we call as the charan-amrut is, means the ambrose of my feet, or you can say ambrose of my feet, is not meant for everyone. Neither the blessings of the puja are not meant for everyone. So try to avoid people who are not yet fully equipped. First thing they will start is doubting. If they do not doubt, also, there will be a problem with the protocol. They won't be able to accept it with that protocol. It's a very great privilege to be here and this privilege cannot be granted to every person. If you could understand this is the secret of Sahaj Yoga and in this secret you have to get very few people to begin with. Everything is going to be exposed one day, but not to everyone. If you can recognise this that you are privileged, then you will behave in a way that you have been given this privilege. Today's day there are many people in the whole world who are meditating. I am thinking of all those people. You have to also think [of] all of them and know that they are part and parcel of my Being as you all are and you are the alert ones. So, at this time in this puja, you are not only doing puja for yourself, for London people, but for the whole world. Not only for Sahaj yogis who are all over, of course for them also, but in this puja you are expressing yourself as Sahaj yogis, you have recognised Me, and are requesting to bless the rest of the people so that they also recognise me as you have recognised. By this puja I hope recognition will be much more clearer. By my recognition only you will recognise yourself and the whole thing will work out in a very, very beautiful manner. As I have said, next year, on 5th of May, we'll see the results of what I am saying today. Only thing [is] I want you to be sincere, not to play games in Sahaj Yoga. It will harm you very much and harm also other Sahaj yogis, so don't try to play games. It will harm you because you will be harming the path of emancipation and as a result you will be punished, as a result you will be the loser. So please try to be sincere. It is not difficult. This is not the way to be taken: many people I have seen, they think I am chastitising and all these words are wrong for Mataji it should not be used, [that] there are many words which should not be used for me. It is just your privilege to be here and [you] must understand that privileges are given to people who are deserving. I am telling you these things because you are deserving. And in that condition you must understand that this is a great privilege that I am telling you all these things and that you should feel enamoured that I am telling you that: sincerity is the key of your success. It's a privilege. I am giving you the key. While as it is, you see, the Western mind is, people think that, if you tell somebody something like that they can use a word like 'chastitise' (sic) and all these words are not to be. "Must use words which are protocolish. [It's] not proper." If in your protocol you are not alright, you know how you start fitting wrong bolts into wrong nuts and spoil the whole joke, so be careful as to how you take it. Take it as a privilege. It’s a VIP treatment for you. You are all VIP's. I cannot talk like this to the multitudes but I can tell you this because I want to give you the complete keys. If you can look at yourself as how privileged you are and understanding it, understanding what all Sahaj Yoga is, then you will understand that - what a privilege it is for you to be here, what [good] fortune, what reward for what you have done. How many lives have been completely rewarded by being here. This will help you to do puja in a more sincere manner. May God bless you! Now we must meditate, also, after puja, because my vibrations you do not suck in without meditation I have seen. And always it happens - so far I have had very few pujas in which my whole vibrations were sucked in. If you have sincerity about it, really the sincerity part of it, you'll suck all my vibrations. Tell your mind not to ask questions and to misbehave but to suck the vibrations clearly. This is for your own nourishment, for your own growth, for your own enjoyment. May God bless you. Today I am so heavy laden already, that I can't open my eyes. May God bless you. Let us start the puja. Alright? Shri Mataji: You can start. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Nirmala Vidya Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Again. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Nirmala Vidya Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Again. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Nirmala Vidya Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: The Swadishthana is better now. Come along. Are you feeling alright too? (Person: “Yes…”.) Good. Alright? Are you feeling the cool now, cool? Haven’t you? Cool breeze. Yogi: Heart. Shri Mataji: Right heart? Yogi: Left heart. Shri Mataji: Left heart. Is he better? Swadishthana is better… Alright? (laughing). Now come along. You see, if you can take out your coat you come along. I’ll just see your ??… How many days did he… Yogi: I think maybe since two years Shri Mataji: Two years. Everything works out… There. That’s alright. How are you now John, are you better? Better, relaxed? Alright. Now, one thing is you are not to feel guilty about anything. Whatever has happened has happened. Done, so done. Not to feel guilty, because that makes things much worse. Alright? Things like that, just don’t worry. Yogi: Yes. Mother. Shri Mataji: Don’t worry. That’s the point. Now. John? Yes. Left Vishuddhi is cleared out. Yogi: Thank You, Shri Mataji Shri Mataji: See. Give it. See? Here… You can give bandhan for this… Give her a bandhan. Yes. Now. See your reflection, I’m not sure (laughter). Ha! Yogini: Thank You Shri Mataji: What is you don’t know? What is to be said. It works. Here? Here you are. Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: Are you cured? John, how are you? Alright. Now you don’t put your neck here and there, or anything, you sit straight! Because when the Kundalini rises you should be quiet, and you should be steady. Steadiness is one of the signs of Realisation. Should become very steady. I can sit on one posture from nine to ten – I mean I have sat, I don’t know how much I can still! (Laughter) - But I have sat on one posture. Alright? Bala? Yes. Hang on… (inaudible words due to bad quality audio) Thank you. Yogi: Just a bit of right heart. Shri Mataji: Rama’s mantra did you take that? Yogi: Pardon? Shri Mataji: I said, Ramachandra. Did you do Rama? Yogi: I think he doesn’t know, Mother Shri Mataji: Eh? Did you do any mantras, Rama’s mantras? You don’t know. Yogi: I just don’t understand. Shri Mataji: You don’t know. Yogi: No Yogi: So it is - so it is the right heart. Shri Mataji: You are? What is it? Yogi: Kidding, kidding Shri Mataji: You really are? Yogi: Yes, very much so. Shri Mataji: This is only for England or for anybody else? (Laughter) Because this “ing” – the only sound of England, you know? Not in Sanskrit – [that is] wrong - there’s nothing like ‘ing’ – of any kind (laughter) (Long unclear section due to bad quality audio – conversation about sounds in different languages continues) Shri Mataji seems to say “Ing is not there”. Then Shri Mataji says that in Sanskrit there is a sound, which sounds like Igan, “a very big combination” between “I”(pronounced I) who is the Mother of the Universe and ‘Gan’ who is Ganesha, so it’s a very big combination”. The sound would be something like “Igan” – nasal sound – “in Sanskrit”. The yogi repeats the words ‘kidding, kidding’ accentuating the final ‘ing’ ) Put the attention to him instead. He’ll be alright… just can’t be negative. Really he understands… that what is going to happen to him… Good. Better now. (Shri Mataji says some mantras) Ha! … Ha. It is a left problem … with his Agnya. You just say the name of Mahavira, the deity of you know, left side. When you just can’t take it out, it is Mahavira, because… his Agnya, Vishuddhi… formulate the mantras … Mahavira. Say: Twameva Sakshat Shri… Yogis: Mahavira. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahavira Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahavira Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Are you ok? Are you alright? Should believe Me. You’ll be very good. Should be alright John? Good. Better? Catching completely on his Agnya. Yogi: Gruha Lakshmi Shri Mataji: Hm? Yogi: Gruha Lakshmi Shri Mataji: Alright. Say the mantra. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Gruha Lakshmi Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Gruha Lakshmi Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat …. (Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha). (End of recording)
5/11/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8474	Transcendental Meditation and Ashram Behavior	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	46	1980-05-11 T. M. and Ashram Behavior, Dollis Hill, London UK, …very guilty, becomes absolutely passive, docile, and just like a cabbage. Because when you are released from that thing, you go into sleep. And when you start getting into sleep and all that, then the subconscious takes over and then you become the other side. So simultaneously you become a sadist as well as a masochist. All right? So you go into two roles. Now, it’s very cunning. If he had put you on the one side only, you would have run away. So better kept just [lead/lean] you from one to another side. So you never get out of it. This is cunningness. While this fellow, he has taken you to the right side by which espionage, this, that, you do. Then you are caught up. But if you, supposing you go as a, say, somewhere to attack first as a king, then they recognize you. So then second time you go as a beggar. You see, you play all the time into double. This is his trick, all right? So, then he started these courses. First he made you supraconscious and he started your courses. Means you became ambitious, you see. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: By that you became ambitious. You wanted to fly. That was a flying sort. All right. So he said you can fly. Now, this idea can only appeal to people who are on the supraconscious. Otherwise, who would like to fly? See, you have no way of landing also. And the flying was nothing but an excitement that you must jump, you must jump, and the competition was set in. We were all jumping, breaking our Mooladharas every time, and we were absolutely unconscious as to why we were jumping, like hopping all the time on the thing and the mattress. And nobody was taken off or anything, nothing of the kind. We absolutely were sort of possessed and we all started hopping. And we were not in ourselves. The thing was like hypnotized we were, just jumping. You see, these people if they are [sent in the trances], you can make a person hypnotized. You can ask him to take the milk just like a little baby. It will start sucking the bottle even. Sahaja Yogi: The fascinating thing is that whenever the course started and they were again doing the flying technique, before they did anything they always had someone [who was ready] who was able to hop around in the room. Shri Mataji: So he introduced the ideas. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: He is the setter of the competition. Sahaja Yogi: Right. Yes, he is. Shri Mataji: You see, mass, this is a mass hypnosis, he is. He is the setter of the idea, you see. So you try to follow and compete. Sahaja Yogi: Right, right, right. But you, you didn’t know, I mean if you haven’t seen the person actually do it, you know, and do what he did do they you would just sit there and maybe, you know, have a just [excitement]. Shri Mataji: Sure. Sahaja Yogi: But I mean, the whole thing is that you have to see what was being done. Shri Mataji: It’s something like jumping on a horse in a circus, you see. If you train people you can just jump, you know, and it’s a more [abhyasa]. It’s also practice. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, right, [I’ve done] that time. Shri Mataji: If practicing one can do it. You see, by pressing your knees on the thing can just start jumping a little like that. So you put that on, that this kind of a jumping started. But now, these courses started. First of all mantras, and then the courses. So first and foremost thing, it stated with God to begin with, all right? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Now, you, later on he stopped about God. But all these mantras like [Sanskrit] and all these in Sanskrit are all about Shiva who is the God Almighty according to Indian philosophy. [Hindi] God name? Then what are all these mantras are? To whom you are doing Havanas? See, to which one? It’s not to [agony] or anything. You are doing it to Shiva. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: These mantras are for Shiva. Sahaja Yogi: And then, most of [them] have mentioned about the reading that, reading the [unclear] and [Ten Commandments]. Shri Mataji: Yes, and then he asked us to read a particular thing, which has no meaning. You can read anything. It is all unauthorized, comes out from the other side, make no impression on us, nothing. On the contrary, by reading that, God knows what he did to us. We became more nervous. Sahaja Yogi: And the other thing is that I should imagine that here is the ninety per cent of the people who pulled us free and this is very nice. Shri Mataji: Because it was boring, it was Greek and Latin to English people, you see. Write it down. It was all Greek and Latin; for that we were supposed to pay. He never translated it to us and only that is the thing we had to read. We could not read anything else. But by reading it we did not understand, and by understanding we did not become. So you bring in Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: We were just the same. Then he said that there were certain rules and regulations about having a celibate life but he was never bothered. People led all kinds of horrible lives, had all kinds of bad relationships, all sorts of perversions. Everything was going on. But everybody was deceiving. He himself never led a celibate life. He’s the biggest, what is the word for such a man is – there’s some word. Sahaja Yogi: Hypocrite, Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, no there’s a bad word. I don’t know. In English language you have very selected words also. A man who has relations with many women, what do you call? Sahaja Yogi: Adulterous. [Licentious], or licentious. Or [depraved]. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no. Debaucher. Sahaja Yogi: No, debaucher it’s, no [it’s a lovely name]. It’s the [unclear]. That could be a debaucher, that’s why I looked. Shri Mataji: See, I know English better than you. I actually looked into [the/this] meaning of Sanskrit into English and I found out the word. All right? I worked really very hard. And the cost of all these things you have to mention, different costs. And what did you get out of it? You did not know what you were doing. He already told you there was, everything was a secret. He said that, this is, you are not to know the meanings, first of all. Secondly, he did not tell us how it was going to affect us. Thirdly, we did not know where it is going to work, what is, what is the results to be expected, except for everybody getting headaches, migraines, madness, lunacy, epilepsy, shouting, screaming, cabbage-like existence. Nothing else happened to anyone whatsoever. And not one person flew there. Sahaja Yogi: Also couldn’t we bring into some fact that how did, you know, there one actually had any [vague indication/verification] of where he was. Shri Mataji: You see, that you, you can say after Sahaja Yoga, you [see/say] but you can say that we were sorts, as if we entered into some sort of a blanket, which was all dark and every time we moved any direction you see, as in the military they’ll give this training. You know what sort of a training they give? They put people inside a cover and that cover is all dark. And there are [poky], what you call wires, which have got thorns coming out. So if you raise your body a little bit higher, you get those thorns into you. And you have to move straight, just like that. That sort of a thing it was. And if you moved backward, you didn’t know where you would go. You didn’t know which way to move. You were just moving forward into it. It was, there was no way out. Sahaja Yogi: And the fear they have it. The fear. Shri Mataji: Achcha now. So the first one was that. Then the fear was injected to us. Now what sort of fear was injected? First of all, first of all, ego. You see, you will be this, you will become a, that we are doing enlightenment. Nobody seemed to be enlightened, by any chance. They were all dirty people, doing dirty things. They were, of course, some of them were Nobel Prize winners, this, that. But they didn’t have a good life. They came and stayed nicely. You can also mention Indian officers, how they came and stayed and enjoyed women in Switzerland, how they were paid for, free money and all that. They stayed there, and that’s how now he is blackmailing also Indian officers. All right. How he, he, he asked some people to smuggle cameras and those things to India just to help some Indian officers there. So these things can be brought in there. So now for the courses of flying, you see, what you do exactly you must show them. You must tell them the mantras, what are the different mantras are and how these courses are done, then your yagnyas are. Yagnyas are nonsense that he has thought, you see. It has no meaning. People just laugh [and say] when we tell the Indians the, it’s, it’s just a joke of a mantra and everything. There is no sense. God knows to what they think he was doing. We had no idea. They told us, “These are few mantras that every Indian knows.” There’s nothing great about it. And then he said, “You do this,” all rituals made by him to befool us. Then you should also say, whatever the, what is the effect because of their, you see, vegetarianism, forced on us, you see. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Vegetarianism forced on us. And the starvation and the way they gave you the water of the potatoes to drink first, and then the rind and then the boiled potatoes. Sahaja Yogi: Then what else? Shri Mataji: They will write this, the diet that they give them. Physically you were ruined because you had to jump like that, eat nothing, live in a Spartan way and supposed to be ascetics, you see. And he said this is trusty. You see, the thing is, he had an explanation for everything. If somebody died or committed suicide he would say that’s, not his thing. Sahaja Yogi: He’s very un-stressing. Shri Mataji: He’s un-stressing. Or he would say that he is now gone to Heaven. According to him is to certify now he’s gone to Heaven. God knows how he knew all these. Or else somebody became very restless, unhappy; then they would, they would say that, “You go to psychologist,” and they, ultimately they would land up in lunatic asylum. Sahaja Yogi: There is one [beautiful nobody] who had lot of the [heavy un-stressing] and that was putting people in hot and cold baths. Shri Mataji: See, hot and cold baths. And what else? Sahaja Yogi: Tearing clothes, [often] cold clothes and putting them on your spine. And running cold water you were getting there showered, have a Scottish showers you could and then you get into [cold] and then you have. Shri Mataji: To develop immunity, they might say. Sahaja Yogi:: So this is first to help the heavy un-stressing begin. Shri Mataji: And nobody felt really un-stressed. On the contrary, we had screwing pins continuously. Sahaja Yogi: There was a, there was a, the question was asked by someone on our course because we’ve been reading, crest of the issue was, “Look what happened to [our God]”. He was the appraiser. They were the appraisers. And… Shri Mataji [Aside, maybe to the mother of a child]: Rub it, rub it. Come. Sahaja Yogi: And, Chapter three, verse thirty one. Shri Mataji: You want to take the children? Yeah… Sahaja Yogi: We must go. Shri Mataji: Yes, poor things, they must be tired. Sahaja Yogi: And it says that… Shri Mataji: May God bless you [as others/Isidor]. Your children are so beautiful and your wife is all right and everything is fine. I’m very happy about it. May God bless you. Sahaja Yogi: There was this passage about that one had to be careful because one could get if [one who had] the desire of doing these things for their own game. Then one, you can put up with these, [any kind of godly services]. In other words does yogis who had gone to the [poor], were themselves been caught up with the ego, and have died, you can get possessed by these things, so... it’s says in this book and we asked him about that. And he said, “Oh, it’s only mistranslation.” Then why about it? And this is one of his major things, and then he always said that books were not translated properly. Shri Mataji: That’s why, you put it in one this thing, whole thing is misguidance. And like this, you see, anything you told them, they will say, it is un-stressing; they would say it is mistranslation, it was this, it was that. Like that, you see, explanation was ready for everything, you see. Sahaja Yogi: Always. Shri Mataji: Always. There was a no [dirt; GW: dearth?] of explanation, you see. And it always would repel on you. They would say that it was your karmas. That’s why you are suffering. Then why are you there? Sahaja Yogi: Yeah, right. Shri Mataji: You see. Why are you taking money? If we have to pay for our karmas, what are you doing there? And no, no knowledge of any kind, nothing, you see. Then for physical problems, you should tell how physically you worked with possessions, what happened to you, that suddenly the body would become absolutely heavy, and this and that, and all these would happen. Physically you should say that a very big, this thing would come, what you call, a kind of a pulling on the Vishuddhi, means you can say the pulling on the…. Sahaja Yogi: The headache… Shri Mataji: Headache…Nei, nei, the whole, whole, whatever you call about, becomes suddenly very stiff. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, something stiff. Shri Mataji: Or in the body suddenly somewhere it would become just stiff like a cancer patient, you see. And people would vomit and just do all kinds of things, receded physically, you can say. Then emotionally you can say… Sahaja Yogi: Depressions. Shri Mataji: Ha, depressions and also suicidal tendencies, you see. What he did, by creating you like that, docile people, naturally such people cannot be aggressive, see. So he said that the criminality is less. But you see, either you destroy others or destroy yourself. So he pointed out. He’s a clever man. So he said, “Why do espionage? Better make them horrible.” Sahaja Yogi: One of the tasks. Shri Mataji: So he was destroying. He was just like Hitler. He made you so weak, so weak, that after all these, after ten years with him, nobody can raise his head. You are left without any money. You are left without any physical strength. Nothing is left to you and you just have to face it. All right? So this is the thing is. So first you have written speedy thinking and all those things and aggressiveness in the beginning. Sahaja Yogi: Egotism. Shri Mataji: And then, you see, fogginess came. Then the fogginess came, the sleep came, we used to sleep for hours together. We could not get out of our beds and, I mean, we just became like cabbages. All right? Now in women he created romantic pseudo-feelings, you see, feelings of pseudo-romanticism and all that. It’s all junk. Through his hypnosis, otherwise look at this face. I mean, which woman would feel any attachment for a junk like him? But you see, he did it, you see. He’s no hero by any chance or anything, you see. Now, then, then he give you epilepsy, ending into lunacy. You can quote the names of the people, you see, what happen. People, did they get heart attacks, exactly? Sahaja Yogi: A person at first did the research on [classing] documentation. He was called Dr. John Alison and he died in. Yeah, he did the research on heart, in the [aneurysm] and the heart [auricle]. And he did [it that’s why] best way. He died in ’76 [with] Mahatma Gandhi. Sahaja Yogini: He was about fifty. Shri Mataji: You see, in the beginning, the first half of it, if you had not entered into the second half, you see, the first half, where you were just aggressive, that time you will get heart attacks. So some people died with that aggressiveness. It is always combined with aggressiveness or ego-oriented it is. Heart attacks come to people who are more on the ego-oriented or who, who also over-exert their body. They get their heart attacks. So these people must have got it. But those who become mad do not get heart attacks, you see. So, so somewhere finished with heart attacks and somewhere brought to the, if the survived such a thing, then they became lunatic. Nervousness, nervous tension, and biting the nails. Sahaja Yogi: The person who is depressed [unclear] demand the treatments. Nails are down to the [ungues]. Shri Mataji: You should put all this point. Then apart from that, you should also say about this thinking. Thinking became very foggy, you see, or could go to a point only and could not go any further. Sahaja Yogi: One will talk and yet forget what one was talking about. Shri Mataji: Yes. All right. So physically, mentally, emotionally, you are ruined. Then the best part was the financially. Financially people, the screwing pin and all that you have written, isn’t it? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: And about, yes, financially, financially most of them became bankrupt, those who are senior people. They have no money. They sold their houses for the children, had no place to go to. They could not send their children to schools. They didn’t have money to give food to their children, some of them, which you should name. Some of the people are like this, you see. So the money part of it, you should say financial ruined as you have suffered, you see. While he himself, his lifestyle is that he has a bed with a diamond, these things and all that. He lives, he has got his own air hostesses and he has got his own aeroplanes and this and that and all those things. And he calls it charity, all right? Then, now he has deposited his money in various banks. See, he’s a yogi. Why should he worry about saving income tax? He’s such an expert on all these, you see? Sahaja Yogi: Or this educational… Shri Mataji: Now, what is educational? Sahaja Yogi: He kept that charity on educational, charity is [unclear]. Shri Mataji: Moreover, whatever money you paid, you see, and then you became teachers. So whatever you earned was taken by another course, you see, sort of a feedback. Sahaja Yogi: Oh, yes, constantly. Shri Mataji: Constant payments. So ultimately everybody landed without any money, you see. There was one tap from which you were getting, and another big tap which was flowing out. The whole life was joyless, powerless. You see, you were like morons, you can say. Either you were sadist or masochist. Nobody was normal. And you were completely incapacitated as human beings, frightened, full of fear. People had arthritis also. Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Is it? Arthritis. People had arthritis and stomach troubles and all…. Sahaja Yogi: Migraines, incredible migraines. Shri Mataji: All kinds of migraines, and all kinds of troubles. Sahaja Yogi: Is, is a headline about TM migraines, terrible migraines?. Shri Mataji: Pay for getting migraines. Sahaja Yogi: That is a true fact. Starvation also. Many, last year some [really starved]. Shri Mataji: Really? Now…What’s there? Sahaja Yogi: There’s a very interesting [unclear] clear, Mother, although I thought there we should… Shri Mataji: Now from there only he had taken hard labor you were put to. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: You were given prisoner’s food. You see, he is a little foolish. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. There was something very interesting here as [marvel failure singer] University of California has [unclear] to interview July and many more. And more than four hundred former members were various cults. I wonder if we shouldn’t write to her and find out if she hadn’t, had any of the TM people to the… Shri Mataji: That’s the, that’s the side issue. But just now, you see, for these people now…. Sahaja Yogi: This one? Shri Mataji: No, no. the way they put hard labor, given you hard labor, eat like a prisoner’s food. You were all the time on the run. Nobody was bothered about your conveniences. With children you were running about. It was such a torturesome life, you see. And you didn’t know where to stay. He charged for children such a lot. And children we used to scream and shout to. They had a very bad time. Then, he charged money for children and all that, all right? Then… Sahaja Yogi: Without specially [movement] he could [unclear]. Shri Mataji: So ultimately what happened to people is that they got diseases, they got hysteria, they’ve done psychotic, suicides and deaths. This is what is the end of. Now, will he not know where the money was going, how it was spend? Nobody knows anything about it. And how the money was collected, how it was given. Only what we know that from here lot of cash money, and those days when it was not allowed, was taken by bags by some people. You should, you could also say that, “Once I carried a bag to Switzerland and later on I discovered that it had money,” like that. Then, the greatest thing was that, the, the character, you see, he did not allow us to built up our character. We had to give up all our values, we had to tell lies, you had to make stories and you had to tell all kinds of things. Otherwise, he said you cannot go ahead. Sahaja Yogi: He doesn’t like [the perfect truth]. Shri Mataji: Everything was money-oriented. He said, “Now you learn these things and earn lot of money, again join new courses.” But the best part of it, you see, we should say here now that we have found out that he talks [out]. He doesn’t want to talk of God but the Sanskrit slokas are addressed to Shiva who is a Hindu God, who is a Hindu God of existence. And when we talked to some people who are authorized in this, I mean those who are very well-known, real people, you see, who live in the forest, and when we found out, we found out that these, the persons who has to give mantras, has to be a realized soul. While, most of these ones we gave also to, these mantras and we were not at all realized, nothing. We did not know and he just gave us authority because we paid more money. Sahaja Yogi: If you wanted to join a certain [kink], the inner [kink] you had to have, he’s saying how much money you had? Shri Mataji: Yes. All inquiries were made: how much money we had, how much we owned, how much… Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Yes, fill in. And what you were doing, you see, also. This is the most important thing, how much money you had. What spiritual strength you had, that was not necessary. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, has nothing to do with it. Shri Mataji: Nothing to do with it. Exactly. And neither he ever corrected anyone on that point. Sahaja Yogi: Never. Shri Mataji: Never said. He said, “Go ahead. If you have three women, have five. Doesn’t matter, as long as you give me the money.” He was least worried about your spiritual life or your character. This is the point you must make out. And this is not Indian style because Indian style of things is that in that you, your character is the most important thing. Sahaja Yogi: Never interested in the individual’s progress. Only he’s interested in the [unclear]. Shri Mataji: I mean, he made you lose all your values also. Whatever character you had, that also he made you lose, you see. Now, you have to talk about their tantrism, that this is something like a, what you call, witchcraft. That is, is a tantrism is an old cult of India which is, which is done in this way that they offer Puja, unauthorized these people, to a deity. And because they are unauthorized that they don’t know how to do it, it is said that the deities, they go from there. Their attention goes away, it is said. And in that, in that area then appear all these horrible people because there is no attention of Divine there or of God. So they come and then they capture this and then they handle it. It’s a very old cult, it has been there for years together and this really came into being after, after Adi Shankaracharya. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Because just to harm his pure Kundalini Yoga, you see. And he said Kundalini is the one. Just to finish off, really these people came like satanic, they are very satanic forces. Well, this is the point, [you see]. Now, he’s, we have heard that he is doing blackmail of Indian officers. He’s got their, all their, what you call the, past and all that, confessions. He gets confessions from people. Then he used to call high officers for entertainment in Switzerland and his fares used to be paid and they were supplied with other things, whatever they needed, all right? They, they kept the government in good mood. Sahaja Yogi: When we came here could Mr. what was his name… Shri Mataji: [unclear name; Kemillal?] Sahaja Yogi: And through [unclear] and he was asked, he was asked to go then, that they would pay him that time to stay here. Shri Mataji: No, that’s very common. Everybody knows. All these people went to there without paying any fare. They were given free these things. OK, we can find out who were those. OK? And why should they mind? You see, what I am saying, that government won’t [be in/give any concern] about it. Now the whole thing is, you should say [it was such a mismanagement. Now [from] what else to what else we used to go? We did not know what was happening and all that, and we had no idea, just like sheep, you see, sheep. And they were just driving us mad. We did not know what they were doing, and they raped women and the children become mad, mad screaming and shouting. Now the last part of it you should say that they took… [Part missing] Now the last… Sahaja Yogini: Esther received, Esther received some calls when [she left from TM people]. Shri Mataji: Yes, everybody is receiving [calls/colds] and this thing and he’s giving all funny, this thing, when they came to know that we [have, are] disappeared. But the other thing which I have to tell you about, your personal thing, now your case is on. And I don’t know whether if your name just now appears will be good or not. But this is just a preparation. You should say that, “My case is on.” So only this should take place when the case is declared within, say, fifteen days or so. Then it would be all right. Because it’s under jurist, you see. So whether your name should be brought in or not, it’s not proper. Sahaja Yogini: Mother, I think, this very subject scares some people. Shri Mataji: Aaa? Sahaja Yogi: We have to find out whether this subject it is [safe] for her. Sahaja Yogini: Scottish Law is different. We may miss… Shri Mataji: No, no, don’t play with it. What I am saying is that we are not going to lose that money because of this. So be careful. Better, it’s only fifteen days more for this thing to act, isn’t it? Sahaja Yogini: Are we talking about the [unclear]? Sahaja Yogi: No, no, no, no. Shri Mataji: Or we, the sound that’s gone out? Sahaja Yogi: The sound that’s gone out. Sahaja Yogini: We have to check out tomorrow. Shri Mataji: That’s what I am saying. So you find out if see, if see, if it’s a substitute, then you should tell these people, BBC people, that, “We’ll come to you little later.” Or whatever it is, you should not take, you don’t give your names just now. All right? Just find out. This is I am giving you a question about it. And then you have to tell all about it, what happened about that. And there are some here… You did also TM? Hello. You did also TM? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: He did, these two children. Who else did? Marco. She did TM. And… Sahaja Yogi: Hannah, Marco’s … Another Sahaja Yogi: David Spiro. Sahaja Yogi: David Spiro. Another Sahaja Yogi: He had problems. Shri Mataji: Marco. Sahaja Yogi: Marco. Mark [unclear] and [unclear]. Shri Mataji: Did you go to all, [Ethan/Iann]? Did you go to? Sahaja Yogi: No, but I lived with somebody that, that is doing TM. And now, he wants to meditate in my room. And when he first started the TM, I, I didn’t [mind] about what he was doing, anything, but I had [him] in my room at that time. And he had changed; his whole character changed when he started doing. Shri Mataji: Hey, you can tell these things, you see. He can also join and say that, “Because of him I landed up in a lunatic asylum for some TM.” It’s a better idea. Because you see, so many like Angie and all those, I mean, they did. God knows how you got into this also, is it? But best is Allan. Sahaja Yogi: Well it’s Allan, and then it’s John Pierson. Shri Mataji: Yes, living with such people one can, you know, because they’re mad and there’s no way of protecting yourselves from madness. You see, if supposing a lunatic [slave] lives with you, you can become lunatic. Now you see how he shares the bhoots. You see, from Sahaja Yoga you can see. But to tell them, you have to tell that maybe that living with him I got also lunatic. That’s the only way you can say. But you know how you share bhoots, you know. You can’t tell them about bhoots but you can say that, “As if we were possessed and a sort of a possession came onto us, we absolutely became blind. We didn’t think. Our thinking was zero.” Yes, what is it? Sahaja Yogi: And there’s one point about them, about their civic [unclear] Mother, for they, they require that any evidence is given must be clear fireboard because they [have to able] to [unclear] before [completing the Puja]. Shri Mataji: What is? Sahaja Yogi: Mother, he asks more evidence or evidence for other aspects in the movement. Shri Mataji: What is it? Sahaja Yogi: They want that the evidence should be able to be verified… Shri Mataji: First, I mean, what is more evidence if they want? You have been there… Sahaja Yogi: Mother, they just want to have the concrete case of the evidence. Shri Mataji: Aaaa? Sahaja Yogi: They want to have the concrete case of the evidence. Shri Mataji: Concrete or what more do you want? Allan has landed in the lunatic asylum. And she used to be full lunatic. You were half. All kinds. And you had to go through, [through various] improvements. That’s how you got improved. And you should say what it used to happen to you, you see. Sahaja Yogini: Mother, what about point that a lot of people are still evils and they can’t see there’s anything wrong with them. Shri Mataji: That’s what I am saying: the thinking becomes foggy, you were possessed, you see, and they will say, “How it happened?” You should say, “You were hypnotized.” Because anybody you tell them, they’ll say, “We cannot believe such a nonsense.” So then you should say, “Because you were hypnotized you could not see anything wrong in anything.” Whatever he said, you see, we just tried to. We don’t know how he overpowered us. Sahaja Yogi: Could we be able to do a demonstration to them how is like? Shri Mataji: Yes, you should. You should tell them, “We’ll demonstrate you.” Actually, this was actually happening to us, but still we could never understand that this is all happening to us and why should we go on paying. You see, there was no more of money. You see, it’s a kind of a hypnosis. It’s a charismatic sort of thing, you see. Sahaja Yogi: I think that would be a very good proof is to ask the validity about what they say about their flying. Shri Mataji: But you should say, “Hey, Dick.” You should ask him to fly. You see, we would say, “All right.” At least he should show us flying. Sahaja Yogi: Right. Shri Mataji: It’s all right. You see if you want you can use my fifth floor. Could drop him down floor. You should give one circle at least to that [pigeon]. You should put this point. See the best thing would be to ask at least one man to fly. Or else he should fly. Like they broke the sandy layer of the ground, you see, floor, jumping here. And they would say the man [land] the ground floor just up to the sandy layer. Giving false these pictures and this and that and all that it was nothing but a… But these are, these BBCs are very good people. So you be prepared. They’ll say, “But why did you want to fly?” So he said, “You, then you will only fly when your spiritual life is all right.” So we were seeking. We wanted to improve our spiritual life. And that’s what he said. Whatever he told us that, “Your spiritual life is going to improve. You are all going to get enlightened.” We got only one enlightenment, that we are saved from lunacy. Sahaja Yogi: He said you could take a post-enlightenment after the six months course. Shri Mataji: Aaaa? Sahaja Yogi: After doing the, after doing the six month course you could even take a post-enlightenment. Shri Mataji: Post? Sahaja Yogi: He said that... Shri Mataji: No, that part I know. What will you take? Sahaja Yogi: You could even take a post [during/doing] enlightenment. Shri Mataji: Really? Sahaja Yogi: That was his dream and... Shri Mataji: But now they will come on you. How did you believe such stories? You should say that, “When you go there you will become the same. We can assure you.” You should tell them. Sahaja Yogi: It’s really something. Right. Shri Mataji: Now what? Sahaja Yogi: And especially if someone [unclear]. Shri Mataji: And when they, you see, well, the main thing is that they put up such a big show with these Nobel Prize winners, TV camera and everything and the video and everything in a big... You just get enamored. It’s a circus, you see. Sahaja Yogi: When we were sitting there in [Petersburg] and suddenly the phones going mad, and the fan’s [own peril] was the television staff, three cameras and oh, all the gearing of the [unclear] as a…. Shri Mataji: And if, say, if you have ten bhoots, so ten bhooty people, all right? You put the in twenty-five, the twenty-five will get bhootish. Sahaja Yogi: Oh, right, just like that. Shri Mataji: Isn’t it? So this is how the things spread. And you should say that it is written by you that a physician gets sick with this thing. You see, a psychologist gets sick going nearer a mad person. You should say, “You go near any mad person, you’ll become mad. In the same way, we became.” Sahaja Yogi: Right. And that when they were [aroused] the rumors about flying around, they were actually photographing people flying and then they [brought/bought] up these photographs of people in media but only in photographs. And that’s all they showed us. They said they see it happening. Shri Mataji: Now what you should say, that they are showing in media all these photographs. Why don’t they show in real, you see? A live show, you see. Let them do it. Come along. Let’s have it. And we can have this fellow, Mr. Mahesh Yogi…. Sahaja Yogi: Mr. Yogi. Shri Mataji: Mr. Yogi to brought down from there. Sahaja Yogini: Mother, there was another very clever at flying [or it was supposed that]. It was that reason how we were [unclear]. Because this one is not fit for doing in the city. And if there were more people doing in the cities, the world consciousness will be so upraised that we’ll all be [in Heavens] and it was dark. So it remained [unclear] money and [unclear]. Shri Mataji: But again they will ask you, “Why did you believe such a nonsense?” you see. Aaaa? You were possessed; it’s the main point. Sahaja Yogi: Oh, yes. Shri Mataji: You see, anybody stands up like that, what a face he has. Just see his face. Does he look enlightened? He looks like a goat to Me. Such a short fellow, four foot six inches. All these women falling in love with that four foot six inches pygmy. What, how do you explain? It is only hypnosis, you understand? Everything is possible with hypnosis. It is simple hypnosis. Because you were desiring your evolution he can tell you anything and you will have to believe it. I’ve seen hypnosis Myself, how the people hypnotized. And you can make anything out of hypnosis. You can tell him to talk like a little baby, cry like a little baby. “Swim now. There is water.” The person will start swimming. Sahaja Yogi: It happened to me. Shri Mataji: Aaa? Sahaja Yogi: Now when I was saying, [Tina] was hypnotized…. Another Sahaja Yogi: [Give her some toys]. Shri Mataji: So this is it. Come here. This is the letter which I want to send to [unclear] Prasad that I would like to, to… this thing is to be tide, you see, it is difficult payment to the Madras agents that you have….[missing part] You can write it down another way. So, you see, what I am saying that tomorrow I can tell you on the phone, you don’t mind, because I have no typewriter. Yes, all these things. Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Because I don’t have [typewriters]. Shri Mataji: And, and I need some… This one also. I’ll tell you the address and on the phone we’ll talk about it. And then we’ll have to send it. All right? This could just... Put it in that [thing Or tape]. So, this is how it is. All right? And all the money that he has, deposits and all that…. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Another Sahaja Yogi: Mother. Shri Mataji: Ha. Sahaja Yogi: When would you like to work out the program for England? Shri Mataji: Which one? Sahaja Yoga? Sahaja Yogi: I told July, June 15th, no. Sahaja Yogi: June 16th, Mother. Shri Mataji: No, no, June 24th, I think. Sahaja Yogi: No, June 16th You leave, and You come back a week later. Shri Mataji: All right. So I will be. Twenty-fourth I’ll be back. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, so we organize one [program]. You can suggest, if you like. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. And also till August, till August I am here, 15th of August. So June, July and August. I’m sorry for this, but I didn’t know exactly when I was going. What is it, [Colleen]? Void. All right. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, are You going to give us this routine? Shri Mataji: Yes, routine is, routine is, in the morning you get up at 5.30. Let us put here that. Sleep at, earlier. Sleep much earlier, doesn’t matter. But get up at 5.30 in the morning. Then wash yourself nicely, come down, take your cup of tea in the kitchen, not in this place. Take your cup of tea and all that. Within half an hour you should all come here by six o’clock. Sit down for meditation, with one hand towards the photograph, with lights and all that, and another hand outside. And the another hand again, right hand and left hand, and work it out with lights and all those things. Sahaja Yogi: First the left hand [forth/forward] and then the right hand. Shri Mataji: Yes, first left hand and then right hand. All right. Then the, when you, then you, after that you don’t talk to people too much. And go and have your bath, or whatever it is. Then go to work. Come back home as soon as possible. Take a shower, clean yourself properly, and then you eat something, whatever you have to do, and then meditate, and then clean these photographs, show them Aarti and all that. You put them right. That is very important. Not, they are not decorations in the house. See, every photograph is so powerful; you have no idea. They are all one power each. So put them in a proper place. Do all the worship that you have to do, properly, and then meditate and sleep properly. If you want, you can put, soak your feet in the water and sleep properly. Read something of “The Advent”. “Advent” also is very good. You can also My, in the ashram, you can get My book from [Colleen] and read it, part of it, like that. And every evening try to do it. And then eat your food and sleep early. Then again do it at 5.30. You have to do it like that. Otherwise, you are not going to work out. All of you should get to it. Otherwise, it’s not going to work out. You must know that your background has been very funny because of all social problems and other problems in this country, and these bhoots again. All these put together, you see, your background has been very, very wrong. We have to work it out very fast. And that’s how it would be. All right. Then, is, the main thing is respect. Respect is the main. And that’s what I find because, you see, I’m prideless. That’s My nature: I have no pride. I cannot have pride as others have. So people start sort of taking advantage sometimes, not advantage but when they talk to Me and all that. Apart from that, when you even talk about Me to others or anything, you must know that respect is the only way. That’s the solution. That’s all. Nothing else is to be given. Respect. And I am telling you as your Mother, because you know I am just like a bubble. I have nothing to say. But you must all flower, and you must blossom, and that’s why you must understand that these deities respect Me hundred per cent, absolutely. And they can’t allow you to be disrespectful. And they will be kind and then hit you. So be careful. I’m warning you, never to be disrespectful, not to be argumentative, not to talk in a way that is not proper, because these gurus, see, how they keep you down. I do not. I keep you equal because you have a freedom to talk to Me. But you must know that you have to be careful. What’s the matter? Are you all right? Sahaja Yogini: No, that’s to be dropped to [Ethan/Iann]. Shri Mataji: [You are all] here. Everything all right. May God bless you. Sahaja Yogi: Should we, should we have a routine for mantras, Mother? Shri Mataji: Mantras? Sahaja Yogi: Or should we just say that it’s same [unclear]… Shri Mataji: You see, what you do, mantra is a very good thing. I mean, if you want to work it out, you see now, you all have different, different problems. All right? Supposing somebody has heart, somebody has this, somebody has that. So you combine it with Nirmala and it will work out. I will tell you about that, how to make mantras. But you see, mantra, it’s the only way you can really consolidate your chakras, isn’t it? Now, for example, I told you today your combination, and that combination, if you have worked out, you’ve done it. But you see, you must know that you have to become very enthusiastic about it, extremely enthusiastic. There is no enthusiasm. How can you work it out? Iann, how do you spell your name? Sahaja Yogi: I A N N Shri Mataji: I Sahaja Yogi: I A N N Another Sahaja Yogi: No, the surname. Shri Mataji: I E Sahaja Yogi: My surname? Shri Mataji: No, I E. Sahaja Yogi: I A N N Shri Mataji: I A N N. And what is your surname? Sahaja Yogi: Lewis. L E W I S. Shri Mataji: I A N N L E W I S. Hmm. It’s good. May God bless you.	null	null	null	1980-05-11 T. M. and Ashram Behavior, Dollis Hill, London UK, …very guilty, becomes absolutely passive, docile, and just like a cabbage. Because when you are released from that thing, you go into sleep. And when you start getting into sleep and all that, then the subconscious takes over and then you become the other side. So simultaneously you become a sadist as well as a masochist. All right? So you go into two roles. Now, it’s very cunning. If he had put you on the one side only, you would have run away. So better kept just [lead/lean] you from one to another side. So you never get out of it. This is cunningness. While this fellow, he has taken you to the right side by which espionage, this, that, you do. Then you are caught up. But if you, supposing you go as a, say, somewhere to attack first as a king, then they recognize you. So then second time you go as a beggar. You see, you play all the time into double. This is his trick, all right? So, then he started these courses. First he made you supraconscious and he started your courses. Means you became ambitious, you see. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: By that you became ambitious. You wanted to fly. That was a flying sort. All right. So he said you can fly. Now, this idea can only appeal to people who are on the supraconscious. Otherwise, who would like to fly? See, you have no way of landing also. And the flying was nothing but an excitement that you must jump, you must jump, and the competition was set in. We were all jumping, breaking our Mooladharas every time, and we were absolutely unconscious as to why we were jumping, like hopping all the time on the thing and the mattress. And nobody was taken off or anything, nothing of the kind. We absolutely were sort of possessed and we all started hopping. And we were not in ourselves. The thing was like hypnotized we were, just jumping. You see, these people if they are [sent in the trances], you can make a person hypnotized. You can ask him to take the milk just like a little baby. It will start sucking the bottle even. Sahaja Yogi: The fascinating thing is that whenever the course started and they were again doing the flying technique, before they did anything they always had someone [who was ready] who was able to hop around in the room. Shri Mataji: So he introduced the ideas. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: He is the setter of the competition. Sahaja Yogi: Right. Yes, he is. Shri Mataji: You see, mass, this is a mass hypnosis, he is. He is the setter of the idea, you see. So you try to follow and compete. Sahaja Yogi: Right, right, right. But you, you didn’t know, I mean if you haven’t seen the person actually do it, you know, and do what he did do they you would just sit there and maybe, you know, have a just [excitement]. Shri Mataji: Sure. Sahaja Yogi: But I mean, the whole thing is that you have to see what was being done. Shri Mataji: It’s something like jumping on a horse in a circus, you see. If you train people you can just jump, you know, and it’s a more [abhyasa]. It’s also practice. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, right, [I’ve done] that time. Shri Mataji: If practicing one can do it. You see, by pressing your knees on the thing can just start jumping a little like that. So you put that on, that this kind of a jumping started. But now, these courses started. First of all mantras, and then the courses. So first and foremost thing, it stated with God to begin with, all right? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Now, you, later on he stopped about God. But all these mantras like [Sanskrit] and all these in Sanskrit are all about Shiva who is the God Almighty according to Indian philosophy. [Hindi] God name? Then what are all these mantras are? To whom you are doing Havanas? See, to which one? It’s not to [agony] or anything. You are doing it to Shiva. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: These mantras are for Shiva. Sahaja Yogi: And then, most of [them] have mentioned about the reading that, reading the [unclear] and [Ten Commandments]. Shri Mataji: Yes, and then he asked us to read a particular thing, which has no meaning. You can read anything. It is all unauthorized, comes out from the other side, make no impression on us, nothing. On the contrary, by reading that, God knows what he did to us. We became more nervous. Sahaja Yogi: And the other thing is that I should imagine that here is the ninety per cent of the people who pulled us free and this is very nice. Shri Mataji: Because it was boring, it was Greek and Latin to English people, you see. Write it down. It was all Greek and Latin; for that we were supposed to pay. He never translated it to us and only that is the thing we had to read. We could not read anything else. But by reading it we did not understand, and by understanding we did not become. So you bring in Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: We were just the same. Then he said that there were certain rules and regulations about having a celibate life but he was never bothered. People led all kinds of horrible lives, had all kinds of bad relationships, all sorts of perversions. Everything was going on. But everybody was deceiving. He himself never led a celibate life. He’s the biggest, what is the word for such a man is – there’s some word. Sahaja Yogi: Hypocrite, Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, no there’s a bad word. I don’t know. In English language you have very selected words also. A man who has relations with many women, what do you call? Sahaja Yogi: Adulterous. [Licentious], or licentious. Or [depraved]. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no. Debaucher. Sahaja Yogi: No, debaucher it’s, no [it’s a lovely name]. It’s the [unclear]. That could be a debaucher, that’s why I looked. Shri Mataji: See, I know English better than you. I actually looked into [the/this] meaning of Sanskrit into English and I found out the word. All right? I worked really very hard. And the cost of all these things you have to mention, different costs. And what did you get out of it? You did not know what you were doing. He already told you there was, everything was a secret. He said that, this is, you are not to know the meanings, first of all. Secondly, he did not tell us how it was going to affect us. Thirdly, we did not know where it is going to work, what is, what is the results to be expected, except for everybody getting headaches, migraines, madness, lunacy, epilepsy, shouting, screaming, cabbage-like existence. Nothing else happened to anyone whatsoever. And not one person flew there. Sahaja Yogi: Also couldn’t we bring into some fact that how did, you know, there one actually had any [vague indication/verification] of where he was. Shri Mataji: You see, that you, you can say after Sahaja Yoga, you [see/say] but you can say that we were sorts, as if we entered into some sort of a blanket, which was all dark and every time we moved any direction you see, as in the military they’ll give this training. You know what sort of a training they give? They put people inside a cover and that cover is all dark. And there are [poky], what you call wires, which have got thorns coming out. So if you raise your body a little bit higher, you get those thorns into you. And you have to move straight, just like that. That sort of a thing it was. And if you moved backward, you didn’t know where you would go. You didn’t know which way to move. You were just moving forward into it. It was, there was no way out. Sahaja Yogi: And the fear they have it. The fear. Shri Mataji: Achcha now. So the first one was that. Then the fear was injected to us. Now what sort of fear was injected? First of all, first of all, ego. You see, you will be this, you will become a, that we are doing enlightenment. Nobody seemed to be enlightened, by any chance. They were all dirty people, doing dirty things. They were, of course, some of them were Nobel Prize winners, this, that. But they didn’t have a good life. They came and stayed nicely. You can also mention Indian officers, how they came and stayed and enjoyed women in Switzerland, how they were paid for, free money and all that. They stayed there, and that’s how now he is blackmailing also Indian officers. All right. How he, he, he asked some people to smuggle cameras and those things to India just to help some Indian officers there. So these things can be brought in there. So now for the courses of flying, you see, what you do exactly you must show them. You must tell them the mantras, what are the different mantras are and how these courses are done, then your yagnyas are. Yagnyas are nonsense that he has thought, you see. It has no meaning. People just laugh [and say] when we tell the Indians the, it’s, it’s just a joke of a mantra and everything. There is no sense. God knows to what they think he was doing. We had no idea. They told us, “These are few mantras that every Indian knows.” There’s nothing great about it. And then he said, “You do this,” all rituals made by him to befool us. Then you should also say, whatever the, what is the effect because of their, you see, vegetarianism, forced on us, you see. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Vegetarianism forced on us. And the starvation and the way they gave you the water of the potatoes to drink first, and then the rind and then the boiled potatoes. Sahaja Yogi: Then what else? Shri Mataji: They will write this, the diet that they give them. Physically you were ruined because you had to jump like that, eat nothing, live in a Spartan way and supposed to be ascetics, you see. And he said this is trusty. You see, the thing is, he had an explanation for everything. If somebody died or committed suicide he would say that’s, not his thing. Sahaja Yogi: He’s very un-stressing. Shri Mataji: He’s un-stressing. Or he would say that he is now gone to Heaven. According to him is to certify now he’s gone to Heaven. God knows how he knew all these. Or else somebody became very restless, unhappy; then they would, they would say that, “You go to psychologist,” and they, ultimately they would land up in lunatic asylum. Sahaja Yogi: There is one [beautiful nobody] who had lot of the [heavy un-stressing] and that was putting people in hot and cold baths. Shri Mataji: See, hot and cold baths. And what else? Sahaja Yogi: Tearing clothes, [often] cold clothes and putting them on your spine. And running cold water you were getting there showered, have a Scottish showers you could and then you get into [cold] and then you have. Shri Mataji: To develop immunity, they might say. Sahaja Yogi:: So this is first to help the heavy un-stressing begin. Shri Mataji: And nobody felt really un-stressed. On the contrary, we had screwing pins continuously. Sahaja Yogi: There was a, there was a, the question was asked by someone on our course because we’ve been reading, crest of the issue was, “Look what happened to [our God]”. He was the appraiser. They were the appraisers. And… Shri Mataji [Aside, maybe to the mother of a child]: Rub it, rub it. Come. Sahaja Yogi: And, Chapter three, verse thirty one. Shri Mataji: You want to take the children? Yeah… Sahaja Yogi: We must go. Shri Mataji: Yes, poor things, they must be tired. Sahaja Yogi: And it says that… Shri Mataji: May God bless you [as others/Isidor]. Your children are so beautiful and your wife is all right and everything is fine. I’m very happy about it. May God bless you. Sahaja Yogi: There was this passage about that one had to be careful because one could get if [one who had] the desire of doing these things for their own game. Then one, you can put up with these, [any kind of godly services]. In other words does yogis who had gone to the [poor], were themselves been caught up with the ego, and have died, you can get possessed by these things, so... it’s says in this book and we asked him about that. And he said, “Oh, it’s only mistranslation.” Then why about it? And this is one of his major things, and then he always said that books were not translated properly. Shri Mataji: That’s why, you put it in one this thing, whole thing is misguidance. And like this, you see, anything you told them, they will say, it is un-stressing; they would say it is mistranslation, it was this, it was that. Like that, you see, explanation was ready for everything, you see. Sahaja Yogi: Always. Shri Mataji: Always. There was a no [dirt; GW: dearth?] of explanation, you see. And it always would repel on you. They would say that it was your karmas. That’s why you are suffering. Then why are you there? Sahaja Yogi: Yeah, right. Shri Mataji: You see. Why are you taking money? If we have to pay for our karmas, what are you doing there? And no, no knowledge of any kind, nothing, you see. Then for physical problems, you should tell how physically you worked with possessions, what happened to you, that suddenly the body would become absolutely heavy, and this and that, and all these would happen. Physically you should say that a very big, this thing would come, what you call, a kind of a pulling on the Vishuddhi, means you can say the pulling on the…. Sahaja Yogi: The headache… Shri Mataji: Headache…Nei, nei, the whole, whole, whatever you call about, becomes suddenly very stiff. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, something stiff. Shri Mataji: Or in the body suddenly somewhere it would become just stiff like a cancer patient, you see. And people would vomit and just do all kinds of things, receded physically, you can say. Then emotionally you can say… Sahaja Yogi: Depressions. Shri Mataji: Ha, depressions and also suicidal tendencies, you see. What he did, by creating you like that, docile people, naturally such people cannot be aggressive, see. So he said that the criminality is less. But you see, either you destroy others or destroy yourself. So he pointed out. He’s a clever man. So he said, “Why do espionage? Better make them horrible.” Sahaja Yogi: One of the tasks. Shri Mataji: So he was destroying. He was just like Hitler. He made you so weak, so weak, that after all these, after ten years with him, nobody can raise his head. You are left without any money. You are left without any physical strength. Nothing is left to you and you just have to face it. All right? So this is the thing is. So first you have written speedy thinking and all those things and aggressiveness in the beginning. Sahaja Yogi: Egotism. Shri Mataji: And then, you see, fogginess came. Then the fogginess came, the sleep came, we used to sleep for hours together. We could not get out of our beds and, I mean, we just became like cabbages. All right? Now in women he created romantic pseudo-feelings, you see, feelings of pseudo-romanticism and all that. It’s all junk. Through his hypnosis, otherwise look at this face. I mean, which woman would feel any attachment for a junk like him? But you see, he did it, you see. He’s no hero by any chance or anything, you see. Now, then, then he give you epilepsy, ending into lunacy. You can quote the names of the people, you see, what happen. People, did they get heart attacks, exactly? Sahaja Yogi: A person at first did the research on [classing] documentation. He was called Dr. John Alison and he died in. Yeah, he did the research on heart, in the [aneurysm] and the heart [auricle]. And he did [it that’s why] best way. He died in ’76 [with] Mahatma Gandhi. Sahaja Yogini: He was about fifty. Shri Mataji: You see, in the beginning, the first half of it, if you had not entered into the second half, you see, the first half, where you were just aggressive, that time you will get heart attacks. So some people died with that aggressiveness. It is always combined with aggressiveness or ego-oriented it is. Heart attacks come to people who are more on the ego-oriented or who, who also over-exert their body. They get their heart attacks. So these people must have got it. But those who become mad do not get heart attacks, you see. So, so somewhere finished with heart attacks and somewhere brought to the, if the survived such a thing, then they became lunatic. Nervousness, nervous tension, and biting the nails. Sahaja Yogi: The person who is depressed [unclear] demand the treatments. Nails are down to the [ungues]. Shri Mataji: You should put all this point. Then apart from that, you should also say about this thinking. Thinking became very foggy, you see, or could go to a point only and could not go any further. Sahaja Yogi: One will talk and yet forget what one was talking about. Shri Mataji: Yes. All right. So physically, mentally, emotionally, you are ruined. Then the best part was the financially. Financially people, the screwing pin and all that you have written, isn’t it? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: And about, yes, financially, financially most of them became bankrupt, those who are senior people. They have no money. They sold their houses for the children, had no place to go to. They could not send their children to schools. They didn’t have money to give food to their children, some of them, which you should name. Some of the people are like this, you see. So the money part of it, you should say financial ruined as you have suffered, you see. While he himself, his lifestyle is that he has a bed with a diamond, these things and all that. He lives, he has got his own air hostesses and he has got his own aeroplanes and this and that and all those things. And he calls it charity, all right? Then, now he has deposited his money in various banks. See, he’s a yogi. Why should he worry about saving income tax? He’s such an expert on all these, you see? Sahaja Yogi: Or this educational… Shri Mataji: Now, what is educational? Sahaja Yogi: He kept that charity on educational, charity is [unclear]. Shri Mataji: Moreover, whatever money you paid, you see, and then you became teachers. So whatever you earned was taken by another course, you see, sort of a feedback. Sahaja Yogi: Oh, yes, constantly. Shri Mataji: Constant payments. So ultimately everybody landed without any money, you see. There was one tap from which you were getting, and another big tap which was flowing out. The whole life was joyless, powerless. You see, you were like morons, you can say. Either you were sadist or masochist. Nobody was normal. And you were completely incapacitated as human beings, frightened, full of fear. People had arthritis also. Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Is it? Arthritis. People had arthritis and stomach troubles and all…. Sahaja Yogi: Migraines, incredible migraines. Shri Mataji: All kinds of migraines, and all kinds of troubles. Sahaja Yogi: Is, is a headline about TM migraines, terrible migraines?. Shri Mataji: Pay for getting migraines. Sahaja Yogi: That is a true fact. Starvation also. Many, last year some [really starved]. Shri Mataji: Really? Now…What’s there? Sahaja Yogi: There’s a very interesting [unclear] clear, Mother, although I thought there we should… Shri Mataji: Now from there only he had taken hard labor you were put to. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: You were given prisoner’s food. You see, he is a little foolish. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. There was something very interesting here as [marvel failure singer] University of California has [unclear] to interview July and many more. And more than four hundred former members were various cults. I wonder if we shouldn’t write to her and find out if she hadn’t, had any of the TM people to the… Shri Mataji: That’s the, that’s the side issue. But just now, you see, for these people now…. Sahaja Yogi: This one? Shri Mataji: No, no. the way they put hard labor, given you hard labor, eat like a prisoner’s food. You were all the time on the run. Nobody was bothered about your conveniences. With children you were running about. It was such a torturesome life, you see. And you didn’t know where to stay. He charged for children such a lot. And children we used to scream and shout to. They had a very bad time. Then, he charged money for children and all that, all right? Then… Sahaja Yogi: Without specially [movement] he could [unclear]. Shri Mataji: So ultimately what happened to people is that they got diseases, they got hysteria, they’ve done psychotic, suicides and deaths. This is what is the end of. Now, will he not know where the money was going, how it was spend? Nobody knows anything about it. And how the money was collected, how it was given. Only what we know that from here lot of cash money, and those days when it was not allowed, was taken by bags by some people. You should, you could also say that, “Once I carried a bag to Switzerland and later on I discovered that it had money,” like that. Then, the greatest thing was that, the, the character, you see, he did not allow us to built up our character. We had to give up all our values, we had to tell lies, you had to make stories and you had to tell all kinds of things. Otherwise, he said you cannot go ahead. Sahaja Yogi: He doesn’t like [the perfect truth]. Shri Mataji: Everything was money-oriented. He said, “Now you learn these things and earn lot of money, again join new courses.” But the best part of it, you see, we should say here now that we have found out that he talks [out]. He doesn’t want to talk of God but the Sanskrit slokas are addressed to Shiva who is a Hindu God, who is a Hindu God of existence. And when we talked to some people who are authorized in this, I mean those who are very well-known, real people, you see, who live in the forest, and when we found out, we found out that these, the persons who has to give mantras, has to be a realized soul. While, most of these ones we gave also to, these mantras and we were not at all realized, nothing. We did not know and he just gave us authority because we paid more money. Sahaja Yogi: If you wanted to join a certain [kink], the inner [kink] you had to have, he’s saying how much money you had? Shri Mataji: Yes. All inquiries were made: how much money we had, how much we owned, how much… Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Shri Mataji: Yes, fill in. And what you were doing, you see, also. This is the most important thing, how much money you had. What spiritual strength you had, that was not necessary. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, has nothing to do with it. Shri Mataji: Nothing to do with it. Exactly. And neither he ever corrected anyone on that point. Sahaja Yogi: Never. Shri Mataji: Never said. He said, “Go ahead. If you have three women, have five. Doesn’t matter, as long as you give me the money.” He was least worried about your spiritual life or your character. This is the point you must make out. And this is not Indian style because Indian style of things is that in that you, your character is the most important thing. Sahaja Yogi: Never interested in the individual’s progress. Only he’s interested in the [unclear]. Shri Mataji: I mean, he made you lose all your values also. Whatever character you had, that also he made you lose, you see. Now, you have to talk about their tantrism, that this is something like a, what you call, witchcraft. That is, is a tantrism is an old cult of India which is, which is done in this way that they offer Puja, unauthorized these people, to a deity. And because they are unauthorized that they don’t know how to do it, it is said that the deities, they go from there. Their attention goes away, it is said. And in that, in that area then appear all these horrible people because there is no attention of Divine there or of God. So they come and then they capture this and then they handle it. It’s a very old cult, it has been there for years together and this really came into being after, after Adi Shankaracharya. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Because just to harm his pure Kundalini Yoga, you see. And he said Kundalini is the one. Just to finish off, really these people came like satanic, they are very satanic forces. Well, this is the point, [you see]. Now, he’s, we have heard that he is doing blackmail of Indian officers. He’s got their, all their, what you call the, past and all that, confessions. He gets confessions from people. Then he used to call high officers for entertainment in Switzerland and his fares used to be paid and they were supplied with other things, whatever they needed, all right? They, they kept the government in good mood. Sahaja Yogi: When we came here could Mr. what was his name… Shri Mataji: [unclear name; Kemillal?] Sahaja Yogi: And through [unclear] and he was asked, he was asked to go then, that they would pay him that time to stay here. Shri Mataji: No, that’s very common. Everybody knows. All these people went to there without paying any fare. They were given free these things. OK, we can find out who were those. OK? And why should they mind? You see, what I am saying, that government won’t [be in/give any concern] about it. Now the whole thing is, you should say [it was such a mismanagement. Now [from] what else to what else we used to go? We did not know what was happening and all that, and we had no idea, just like sheep, you see, sheep. And they were just driving us mad. We did not know what they were doing, and they raped women and the children become mad, mad screaming and shouting. Now the last part of it you should say that they took… [Part missing] Now the last… Sahaja Yogini: Esther received, Esther received some calls when [she left from TM people]. Shri Mataji: Yes, everybody is receiving [calls/colds] and this thing and he’s giving all funny, this thing, when they came to know that we [have, are] disappeared. But the other thing which I have to tell you about, your personal thing, now your case is on. And I don’t know whether if your name just now appears will be good or not. But this is just a preparation. You should say that, “My case is on.” So only this should take place when the case is declared within, say, fifteen days or so. Then it would be all right. Because it’s under jurist, you see. So whether your name should be brought in or not, it’s not proper. Sahaja Yogini: Mother, I think, this very subject scares some people. Shri Mataji: Aaa? Sahaja Yogi: We have to find out whether this subject it is [safe] for her. Sahaja Yogini: Scottish Law is different. We may miss… Shri Mataji: No, no, don’t play with it. What I am saying is that we are not going to lose that money because of this. So be careful. Better, it’s only fifteen days more for this thing to act, isn’t it? Sahaja Yogini: Are we talking about the [unclear]? Sahaja Yogi: No, no, no, no. Shri Mataji: Or we, the sound that’s gone out? Sahaja Yogi: The sound that’s gone out. Sahaja Yogini: We have to check out tomorrow. Shri Mataji: That’s what I am saying. So you find out if see, if see, if it’s a substitute, then you should tell these people, BBC people, that, “We’ll come to you little later.” Or whatever it is, you should not take, you don’t give your names just now. All right? Just find out. This is I am giving you a question about it. And then you have to tell all about it, what happened about that. And there are some here… You did also TM? Hello. You did also TM? Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: He did, these two children. Who else did? Marco. She did TM. And… Sahaja Yogi: Hannah, Marco’s … Another Sahaja Yogi: David Spiro. Sahaja Yogi: David Spiro. Another Sahaja Yogi: He had problems. Shri Mataji: Marco. Sahaja Yogi: Marco. Mark [unclear] and [unclear]. Shri Mataji: Did you go to all, [Ethan/Iann]? Did you go to? Sahaja Yogi: No, but I lived with somebody that, that is doing TM. And now, he wants to meditate in my room. And when he first started the TM, I, I didn’t [mind] about what he was doing, anything, but I had [him] in my room at that time. And he had changed; his whole character changed when he started doing. Shri Mataji: Hey, you can tell these things, you see. He can also join and say that, “Because of him I landed up in a lunatic asylum for some TM.” It’s a better idea. Because you see, so many like Angie and all those, I mean, they did. God knows how you got into this also, is it? But best is Allan. Sahaja Yogi: Well it’s Allan, and then it’s John Pierson. Shri Mataji: Yes, living with such people one can, you know, because they’re mad and there’s no way of protecting yourselves from madness. You see, if supposing a lunatic [slave] lives with you, you can become lunatic. Now you see how he shares the bhoots. You see, from Sahaja Yoga you can see. But to tell them, you have to tell that maybe that living with him I got also lunatic. That’s the only way you can say. But you know how you share bhoots, you know. You can’t tell them about bhoots but you can say that, “As if we were possessed and a sort of a possession came onto us, we absolutely became blind. We didn’t think. Our thinking was zero.” Yes, what is it? Sahaja Yogi: And there’s one point about them, about their civic [unclear] Mother, for they, they require that any evidence is given must be clear fireboard because they [have to able] to [unclear] before [completing the Puja]. Shri Mataji: What is? Sahaja Yogi: Mother, he asks more evidence or evidence for other aspects in the movement. Shri Mataji: What is it? Sahaja Yogi: They want that the evidence should be able to be verified… Shri Mataji: First, I mean, what is more evidence if they want? You have been there… Sahaja Yogi: Mother, they just want to have the concrete case of the evidence. Shri Mataji: Aaaa? Sahaja Yogi: They want to have the concrete case of the evidence. Shri Mataji: Concrete or what more do you want? Allan has landed in the lunatic asylum. And she used to be full lunatic. You were half. All kinds. And you had to go through, [through various] improvements. That’s how you got improved. And you should say what it used to happen to you, you see. Sahaja Yogini: Mother, what about point that a lot of people are still evils and they can’t see there’s anything wrong with them. Shri Mataji: That’s what I am saying: the thinking becomes foggy, you were possessed, you see, and they will say, “How it happened?” You should say, “You were hypnotized.” Because anybody you tell them, they’ll say, “We cannot believe such a nonsense.” So then you should say, “Because you were hypnotized you could not see anything wrong in anything.” Whatever he said, you see, we just tried to. We don’t know how he overpowered us. Sahaja Yogi: Could we be able to do a demonstration to them how is like? Shri Mataji: Yes, you should. You should tell them, “We’ll demonstrate you.” Actually, this was actually happening to us, but still we could never understand that this is all happening to us and why should we go on paying. You see, there was no more of money. You see, it’s a kind of a hypnosis. It’s a charismatic sort of thing, you see. Sahaja Yogi: I think that would be a very good proof is to ask the validity about what they say about their flying. Shri Mataji: But you should say, “Hey, Dick.” You should ask him to fly. You see, we would say, “All right.” At least he should show us flying. Sahaja Yogi: Right. Shri Mataji: It’s all right. You see if you want you can use my fifth floor. Could drop him down floor. You should give one circle at least to that [pigeon]. You should put this point. See the best thing would be to ask at least one man to fly. Or else he should fly. Like they broke the sandy layer of the ground, you see, floor, jumping here. And they would say the man [land] the ground floor just up to the sandy layer. Giving false these pictures and this and that and all that it was nothing but a… But these are, these BBCs are very good people. So you be prepared. They’ll say, “But why did you want to fly?” So he said, “You, then you will only fly when your spiritual life is all right.” So we were seeking. We wanted to improve our spiritual life. And that’s what he said. Whatever he told us that, “Your spiritual life is going to improve. You are all going to get enlightened.” We got only one enlightenment, that we are saved from lunacy. Sahaja Yogi: He said you could take a post-enlightenment after the six months course. Shri Mataji: Aaaa? Sahaja Yogi: After doing the, after doing the six month course you could even take a post-enlightenment. Shri Mataji: Post? Sahaja Yogi: He said that... Shri Mataji: No, that part I know. What will you take? Sahaja Yogi: You could even take a post [during/doing] enlightenment. Shri Mataji: Really? Sahaja Yogi: That was his dream and... Shri Mataji: But now they will come on you. How did you believe such stories? You should say that, “When you go there you will become the same. We can assure you.” You should tell them. Sahaja Yogi: It’s really something. Right. Shri Mataji: Now what? Sahaja Yogi: And especially if someone [unclear]. Shri Mataji: And when they, you see, well, the main thing is that they put up such a big show with these Nobel Prize winners, TV camera and everything and the video and everything in a big... You just get enamored. It’s a circus, you see. Sahaja Yogi: When we were sitting there in [Petersburg] and suddenly the phones going mad, and the fan’s [own peril] was the television staff, three cameras and oh, all the gearing of the [unclear] as a…. Shri Mataji: And if, say, if you have ten bhoots, so ten bhooty people, all right? You put the in twenty-five, the twenty-five will get bhootish. Sahaja Yogi: Oh, right, just like that. Shri Mataji: Isn’t it? So this is how the things spread. And you should say that it is written by you that a physician gets sick with this thing. You see, a psychologist gets sick going nearer a mad person. You should say, “You go near any mad person, you’ll become mad. In the same way, we became.” Sahaja Yogi: Right. And that when they were [aroused] the rumors about flying around, they were actually photographing people flying and then they [brought/bought] up these photographs of people in media but only in photographs. And that’s all they showed us. They said they see it happening. Shri Mataji: Now what you should say, that they are showing in media all these photographs. Why don’t they show in real, you see? A live show, you see. Let them do it. Come along. Let’s have it. And we can have this fellow, Mr. Mahesh Yogi…. Sahaja Yogi: Mr. Yogi. Shri Mataji: Mr. Yogi to brought down from there. Sahaja Yogini: Mother, there was another very clever at flying [or it was supposed that]. It was that reason how we were [unclear]. Because this one is not fit for doing in the city. And if there were more people doing in the cities, the world consciousness will be so upraised that we’ll all be [in Heavens] and it was dark. So it remained [unclear] money and [unclear]. Shri Mataji: But again they will ask you, “Why did you believe such a nonsense?” you see. Aaaa? You were possessed; it’s the main point. Sahaja Yogi: Oh, yes. Shri Mataji: You see, anybody stands up like that, what a face he has. Just see his face. Does he look enlightened? He looks like a goat to Me. Such a short fellow, four foot six inches. All these women falling in love with that four foot six inches pygmy. What, how do you explain? It is only hypnosis, you understand? Everything is possible with hypnosis. It is simple hypnosis. Because you were desiring your evolution he can tell you anything and you will have to believe it. I’ve seen hypnosis Myself, how the people hypnotized. And you can make anything out of hypnosis. You can tell him to talk like a little baby, cry like a little baby. “Swim now. There is water.” The person will start swimming. Sahaja Yogi: It happened to me. Shri Mataji: Aaa? Sahaja Yogi: Now when I was saying, [Tina] was hypnotized…. Another Sahaja Yogi: [Give her some toys]. Shri Mataji: So this is it. Come here. This is the letter which I want to send to [unclear] Prasad that I would like to, to… this thing is to be tide, you see, it is difficult payment to the Madras agents that you have….[missing part] You can write it down another way. So, you see, what I am saying that tomorrow I can tell you on the phone, you don’t mind, because I have no typewriter. Yes, all these things. Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] Because I don’t have [typewriters]. Shri Mataji: And, and I need some… This one also. I’ll tell you the address and on the phone we’ll talk about it. And then we’ll have to send it. All right? This could just... Put it in that [thing Or tape]. So, this is how it is. All right? And all the money that he has, deposits and all that…. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother. Another Sahaja Yogi: Mother. Shri Mataji: Ha. Sahaja Yogi: When would you like to work out the program for England? Shri Mataji: Which one? Sahaja Yoga? Sahaja Yogi: I told July, June 15th, no. Sahaja Yogi: June 16th, Mother. Shri Mataji: No, no, June 24th, I think. Sahaja Yogi: No, June 16th You leave, and You come back a week later. Shri Mataji: All right. So I will be. Twenty-fourth I’ll be back. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, so we organize one [program]. You can suggest, if you like. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. And also till August, till August I am here, 15th of August. So June, July and August. I’m sorry for this, but I didn’t know exactly when I was going. What is it, [Colleen]? Void. All right. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, are You going to give us this routine? Shri Mataji: Yes, routine is, routine is, in the morning you get up at 5.30. Let us put here that. Sleep at, earlier. Sleep much earlier, doesn’t matter. But get up at 5.30 in the morning. Then wash yourself nicely, come down, take your cup of tea in the kitchen, not in this place. Take your cup of tea and all that. Within half an hour you should all come here by six o’clock. Sit down for meditation, with one hand towards the photograph, with lights and all that, and another hand outside. And the another hand again, right hand and left hand, and work it out with lights and all those things. Sahaja Yogi: First the left hand [forth/forward] and then the right hand. Shri Mataji: Yes, first left hand and then right hand. All right. Then the, when you, then you, after that you don’t talk to people too much. And go and have your bath, or whatever it is. Then go to work. Come back home as soon as possible. Take a shower, clean yourself properly, and then you eat something, whatever you have to do, and then meditate, and then clean these photographs, show them Aarti and all that. You put them right. That is very important. Not, they are not decorations in the house. See, every photograph is so powerful; you have no idea. They are all one power each. So put them in a proper place. Do all the worship that you have to do, properly, and then meditate and sleep properly. If you want, you can put, soak your feet in the water and sleep properly. Read something of “The Advent”. “Advent” also is very good. You can also My, in the ashram, you can get My book from [Colleen] and read it, part of it, like that. And every evening try to do it. And then eat your food and sleep early. Then again do it at 5.30. You have to do it like that. Otherwise, you are not going to work out. All of you should get to it. Otherwise, it’s not going to work out. You must know that your background has been very funny because of all social problems and other problems in this country, and these bhoots again. All these put together, you see, your background has been very, very wrong. We have to work it out very fast. And that’s how it would be. All right. Then, is, the main thing is respect. Respect is the main. And that’s what I find because, you see, I’m prideless. That’s My nature: I have no pride. I cannot have pride as others have. So people start sort of taking advantage sometimes, not advantage but when they talk to Me and all that. Apart from that, when you even talk about Me to others or anything, you must know that respect is the only way. That’s the solution. That’s all. Nothing else is to be given. Respect. And I am telling you as your Mother, because you know I am just like a bubble. I have nothing to say. But you must all flower, and you must blossom, and that’s why you must understand that these deities respect Me hundred per cent, absolutely. And they can’t allow you to be disrespectful. And they will be kind and then hit you. So be careful. I’m warning you, never to be disrespectful, not to be argumentative, not to talk in a way that is not proper, because these gurus, see, how they keep you down. I do not. I keep you equal because you have a freedom to talk to Me. But you must know that you have to be careful. What’s the matter? Are you all right? Sahaja Yogini: No, that’s to be dropped to [Ethan/Iann]. Shri Mataji: [You are all] here. Everything all right. May God bless you. Sahaja Yogi: Should we, should we have a routine for mantras, Mother? Shri Mataji: Mantras? Sahaja Yogi: Or should we just say that it’s same [unclear]… Shri Mataji: You see, what you do, mantra is a very good thing. I mean, if you want to work it out, you see now, you all have different, different problems. All right? Supposing somebody has heart, somebody has this, somebody has that. So you combine it with Nirmala and it will work out. I will tell you about that, how to make mantras. But you see, mantra, it’s the only way you can really consolidate your chakras, isn’t it? Now, for example, I told you today your combination, and that combination, if you have worked out, you’ve done it. But you see, you must know that you have to become very enthusiastic about it, extremely enthusiastic. There is no enthusiasm. How can you work it out? Iann, how do you spell your name? Sahaja Yogi: I A N N Shri Mataji: I Sahaja Yogi: I A N N Another Sahaja Yogi: No, the surname. Shri Mataji: I E Sahaja Yogi: My surname? Shri Mataji: No, I E. Sahaja Yogi: I A N N Shri Mataji: I A N N. And what is your surname? Sahaja Yogi: Lewis. L E W I S. Shri Mataji: I A N N L E W I S. Hmm. It’s good. May God bless you.
5/12/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6627	Being Born Again	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	66	Being Born Again, Public Programme. Caxton Hall, London (England), 12 May 1980. I think those who have come for the first time should be on the first row. It will be better for Me. All those who have come for the first time, please [sit down here.] Yes, good. You may take out your cloth - it’s very warm - if you think so, or it’s all right whatever you wear. It is said that in us lies the power to be reborn. In all the Scriptures it has been said very clearly that you have to be born again, that you have to be baptized, that you have to become a pir, you have to become a brahmin. All these descriptions have come to us from all the great Scriptures. It is very easy to say that we don’t believe in God, we don’t believe in any incarnations, we don’t believe in Jesus, we don’t believe in any religion, we don’t believe in anything. It is very easy to say. Even it is easy to say that we believe in them; we believe in God, we believe in Christ, we believe in incarnations, we believe in Krishna, Rama, all that. Both things are equally the same. When you believe in God, you believe in darkness and ignorance. And when you do not believe in Him, also you are in ignorance. By believing into Him, you close your eyes, accept the faith and go along with it. Of course, it shows that you’re conscious of some power which is beyond. Such people have a great chance. But in case, if you go to the extremes of these kind of things, then you start only believing in Christ, only believing in Mohammed, only believing in Krishna, I mean, depending on where you are born. Imagine, how human beings are narrow-minded. If you are born in England, then either you will be a Catholic or a Protestant or maybe one of these witchcraft people. You believe into anything because you are localized in a place. There have been some identifications, because your mother believed into something, or father believed into something, or you paid for something. And then this faith can really become such a blinding effect on people that you develop absurd type of groups which [we] call them as Christians, Hindus, Muslims or whatever you may say, and are extremely, extremely exclusive, blind and fanatic. Today one of the problems of our times, of these modern times is fanaticism. Now this fanaticism has been growing. The more people try to get out of fanaticism it grows more. For example, people who gave up religion, who gave up God, I mean in the sense they never gave up, we cannot give Him up. He has to give you up. But those who felt that they have been able to deny God, have done nothing good, they are equally useless. I mean they had, [think] by giving up God, they have given up all ideas of any control by divinity or anything. And what have they achieved? Suicides, bad societies, sick people. They have achieved nothing. So one side is this fanaticism growing deeper and deeper into people who remain in fanatic ideas, while the other side to prove that they were correct the other side also is growing also deeper and deeper; and both are wrong. The main thing is that you have to feel God within you. You have to become something more by which you can feel the Divine, not through your rationality, not through your rationality by any chance, neither through your faith. If the faith is blind, you cannot know God. You’ll become a fanatic. If people could just remain faithful and do not become fanatic, then there is no harm. Or else even if you deny God and you do not become egoistical, then there is no harm. But that’s not possible. We are [progressive, progressing]. We cannot stand at a point. Once we start moving, we start moving in that directions. Either we have to be fanatics or we have to be absolutely egoistical and terrible. That’s how we finish off ourselves. And all these extreme behavior of human beings have brought such a shame to God, to His creation and to the beauty and joy that He wants to bestow upon you. Rationally, I can prove the existence of God, no doubt, but rationally I can also disapprove, because rationality is an illusion. It is an illusion, like the people in the West say, “You just can’t say which way [it is.]” With rationality you go about anything, like you can say, “What’s wrong? What’s wrong in denying God? Nothing is wrong.” What is wrong itself, how are you going to [define, detect], is the point. Through rationality, you cannot say what is right and wrong, because rationality speaks on relative terminology, on a limited sphere. Now, whether to tell the truth is right or not. How can you say? Supposing somebody is about to murder someone and he is asking where [is, then] the person has gone. If you tell that person the truth that, “That person has gone this side,” through your rationality because you think truth telling is good, the person is killed. If you see today’s atmosphere, you’ll find there’s such a confusion. People do not know who is right, who is wrong. To some people it is great to be a fanatic; they think they are doing a great honor to themselves because they are fanatics. They are so confused that they do not know how far to go in obeying the religious warnings and religious, we can say, the saints. And how far not to go they do not know. It is such a confusion. In this confusion you the seekers are [there]. You are seekers of truth of ages. If you are not, Sahaja Yoga is not going to help you much. If you have come here just to rationalize something, this is not a place where you can discuss, argue it out or anything. It has to work in you. It has to give you that blessing. If it cannot bestow that blessing in you, then Sahaja Yoga is useless, useless for you. So this is the central point where you recognize within yourself by becoming something else, that there is God. Not only that He is there, but His power is all-pervading, that He organizes, cooperates the whole universe, and that He is the all-powerful, all-knowing. All these things you feel within yourself. You recognize Him not through your rationality but through your feeling. Like if I put My finger to this [plate/plane] it will be burnt. This is My feeling. It’s My subjective knowledge. Somebody tells Me it is hot, I’ll say, “What’s wrong? Let Me put My hand on it.” But the feeling is such an absolute thing that when you will touch it, even a child can say that, “It is hot.” So that absolute feeling within us which makes us feel through our organs, sensory organs, the hot and cold by which we hear and we see clearly, that subjective knowledge, whatever language you speak, whatever religion you follow, whether you are an atheist, or egoistical, or whatever [it is], that feeling when it gets enlightened, then you start feeling God, God Almighty. Then you can also rationalize it in the sense that when I burnt My finger I’ll say, “Yes, what they said it’s correct. It burns your finger. It’s a fact.” But unless and until this happens to you, all other arguments and discussions are of no value, anyone whatsoever. I was amazed Myself when I was born, to see such ignorant people quarrelling over something which they do not know at all, nothing of the kind. They are so ignorant. They don’t know that there is power of God working. They cannot feel it. And what are they doing, whether they are church people or temple people, or these scientists? When they talk about God, they are at the level from where they cannot talk. But they are not even conscious that they are at that level. This is why we have to know that despite all effort to destroy our Scriptures, this knowledge that you have to become something else, that you are to be reborn, this knowledge they could not destroy. They have tried to maneuver it for their own advantage. They have tried to use it for their own building up because they must have big, big buildings, they must have big, big money projects and sometimes they also have some business. Well, how can you do all these things in the name of God? Just think of it. But they are doing all these mad things and they call it God, and the seeker gets absolutely shocked and surprised. But then he also gets into the whole whirlpool, he just cannot get out of it because he is a seeker. He says, “Let me go and see for myself what it is. Let me burn my finger here and there and find out for myself.” Now I say again, like all these people have said, that you have to be born again. They have said [it] to prepare you all for this happening. It’s My fortune that I have to do it. It has to happen. If they have said all these things, either they were all false and wrong. So I am here to prove it. Not that they were wrong in any way. But they were the only people who were right. They were the only people who knew. They were the only people who were enlightened. They had an eyesight to see much deeper than what you can see. So within us lies that power ,and that power is anxious to give you your second birth. That power lies as shown lies in the triangular bone of sacrum. And you can see with your naked eyes the rising of this power. It has nothing to do what nationality you come from, what sort of cloths you are wearing, what sort of hair dress you have. It has nothing to do [with it]. But it has to do something with your inner being. And why in the inner being there are certain problems which you have created out of your ignorance. And this power is being your Mother, your sweet loving Mother who has been born again and again with you, knows your problems and She knows also how to correct [it, them.] So I say that you don’t have to do anything about it. It just works, has to work. But for human beings to understand that their evolution has to come spontaneously is very difficult, especially in the West. They think that they’ll have to do something about God to fix Him up, appoint Him, pay for Him to give you Realization. It is that absurd. Of course it makes you laugh. But we are sometimes [ourselves] like that. We think that we can pay for Him, then He’ll come down and bestow His grace upon us. We can purchase Him or we can honor Him by which He’ll give us. No, it is His grace. It is His own compassion that He’s going to do it, as it has been done before when we became human beings from amoeba stage. It is His Love, His own ambition, you can call it in human understanding, that He wants to bestow His Powers onto His own children, onto His own creation. And as you are the flowers, human beings are the flowers of His creation. He wants to transform you into this beautiful fulfillment of your own being. These are the fruits of His creation, His garden. But all these words can sound very poetic and very enchanting, and it should be so. The Kundalini is awakened within us, all the time to help us. I have seen to My very great sorrow that we have really hurt our Kundalini and last we have really tortured Her. I’ve seen big, big holes, wounds in Her being. In our ego, in our useless ideas, we have really wounded our Kundalini. I’ve seen this poor Kundalini in a mess and I soothe Her. I soothe Her and tell Her that, “You, the Mother of this child, be contented that this child has got desire to know.” So, the first stage has to be the desire, desire to know about God. If you have no desire to [unclear] know [about] God, God is not going to fall at your feet. At least you should be mature so much that you want to know God. That is why Sahaja Yoga is a slow process; it does not work out on people who do not want it. You have to be interested in knowing yourself. This is the only thing that is required in Sahaja Yoga, that you should be ardently desirous of becoming that. Then it will happen. This is the first basic thing; you must have desire. Then also there are other things which are very important, which I’ve seen. Because now I’ve been traveling and I’ve been meeting people and I’ve been seeing that there are problems which have touched the path of Kundalini also. The path of Kundalini can be quiet rugged, and Kundalini may refuse to come up. And even if She comes up, out of pain She may drop out. The path of Kundalini we have ruined by so many things. And these wounds we have caused to the path, in the central path by not remaining in the center but going to extremes. We have harmed ourselves. You, you have not harmed anybody else but you have harmed yourself. You have harmed your own chances. But even that can be cured because God is Compassion. He is Love, and He understands that you have been childish, you have been immature and that you should be helped. But maybe that you still do not know the desire of this Kundalini within you, and that you may not be on the same level as She is. Still, She will work it [out]. All kinds of grace is given; grace marks, as you call. It is actually the meaning of your life. All your lives, what have you been? You might have been a Roman soldier. All right, then? You might have been Caesar. So what? You might have been Napoleon. All right, so what? You might have been Louis the XIV or could be one of these horrible kings [who] killed his seven wives. You could have been the bloody Mary or someone like that, or you could have been a, some gracious woman. All right, so what? You have not known God so [far]. You might have been the mightiest of mighty. You might have been [Ouzoo/ “Who is who”] or you might have been in the history. Your photograph may be there. So what? So far you have not known God. Till you have not known that absolute within you, you cannot know God. Only by knowing your Spirit, you will know God. Like, without My Eyes, I cannot see you. In the same way, without knowing your Spirit, you cannot feel God. And you have to know your Spirit. But when I say, “You have to know you...” that doesn’t mean by jumping or by doing anything that you will do. But you have to get it. Now when you have to get it also, I don’t know human beings understand or not, that you don’t have to do anything about it. Now there is no way of saying it that you just don’t have to do anything and it will happen to you that you have to become that. As soon as I say that you have to become that, you’ll say, “Then we have to do something.” Any sentence you use like that, you think we have to put in some effort or some money or something else. But it is an effortless [being/thing]. It is the effortless happening which is beyond human understanding. We cannot understand that we can do something effortlessly, but we do. We digest our food without putting an effort. We breathe without any effort. We’ve become human being without any effort. We’ve got the whole sky before us, the whole universe before us, without any effort. All things that are important are without any effort. These unimportant things like getting a chair or a car and all that, of course for that you might have put an effort, but to what [avail/other thing]? Whatever is vital you’ve got it without effort, and that’s why this is going to happen to you without any effort. But try to bring your mind to a position where you must accept that it is effortless. The happening is absolutely effortless, and after that happening your efforts have to be to neutralize your previous efforts. This is the problem which is even worse than anything else. Happening is an easy thing, happening within [you]. But you have already you finished off many things within you which must be corrected. And to really become effortlessly thoughtless, will be your main problem. But there are so many here, as you know, who have got it, who have found it and are managing it. So you all should get it. But as I said, that as I’ve traveled a lot and I’ve seen that people have problems of a different nature according to the society they live in, according to the countries they live in, according to the ideas on which they have lived. All these things do create a problem in your centers. And these problems are best solved if through your happening, if you would like to dissociate from all this misidentification. And this misidentification itself will start troubling you, then you’ll have to give up. I’ll tell you a simple example of such a thing. We have people from all kinds. Say we have a bureaucrat who comes to us and he has a problem, because the bureaucrats have a problem on the Nabhi. And they could be very horrid. Their Kundalini can be absolutely frozen you know. It’s terrible to raise their Kundalini. I get such a headache, and the whole force has to be put in for a bureaucrat. One bureaucrat is equal to one thousand small children, I can tell you. Horrible they are, and if they say there are bureaucrats or so I just prepare Myself, you see. And if you have to shake a hand with a bureaucrat you have to massage your hand properly, you see, before you shake it. But if you have to raise the Kundalini, oh God, you, before and after you are just finished [within.] So, now supposing there is a bureaucrat. He is misidentified with his problems. He comes to Me. I think he gets his Realization, all right. But he cannot forget that he is a bureaucrat. He goes on identifying with himself, bureaucracy. Then he’ll talk, “I believe.” Then I look at him, “Still?” Still it is there. Still it is there. Like we can take the case of now hippies who are another bureaucrats, I tell you. They are no less. Hippies thought no end of themselves. They thought, “Whatever we do to ourselves is our own. Who is [who/ this] anyone to tell us?” you see. So they had a real drugstore within them, you see. They created a real problem for themselves. Spoiling their brains, spoiling their whole Kundalini, everything, Oh, they’ve got themselves into a real mess. You see, if freedom means nonsense, then one can only conclude that people have no sense of freedom. Like, you put some children in a room to play, and there they start eating. First of all, if they get some sweets, they’ll eat. Then they’ll eat the tea. Then the tea is finished. Then they’ll say, “All right, eat some [ashes/ ice-creams].” Then they’ll eat ashes. Then they’ll eat some cow dung. It is like that. It is so stupid and foolish to ruin yourself like this. But they have done it. Now you are given Realization, and after Realization, still you go back to the same serious state of becoming great wise people who have been taking drugs. You cannot get out of it, you see. It’s very difficult. That “this was wrong I did it. It was wrong, I’ve done it. I should get out of it.” There is no wisdom in it. So all these misidentifications, [and/or] there are so many others like that. Like somebody has been to some guru. Now that guru is a crook. He has made money out of them, all right? He has befooled them completely. He’s been telling them stories. All right. They have become bankrupt giving money to him. Everything has happened. Now they have come out of it. Now you must understand that you were befooled, and he was useless fellow and “I have nothing to do with him.” But the misidentification still works out. Once you get your Realization, still you cling on together to all the people who come from the same guru and you share all the nonsense. Now you have no more belonging to any group now. You have become universal. All these misidentifications are useless. They give you angularities. They do not give you individuality. They give you angularities ,and these angularities are troublesome to the society and to yourself. They have given you demise. Your normal life has become extremely abnormal or subnormal. So, normalize yourself in Sahaja Yoga, and you will be amazed that you are no more belonging to any country, no more belonging to any group, any democracy, bureaucracy or communism or anything, but you become a human being who is on absolute values as a human being. This is a tremendous thing. This is what today we need in this world: human beings who have jumped onto the absolute values. Absolute does not compromise. It does not aggress, nor takes any aggression because it is absolute. It is not afraid of anyone. Because absolute is compassion, absolute is love and absolute is truth. When your attention becomes enlightened by that absolute, it’s a very limited again terminology to explain that it gets enlightened. But to understand it, one has to become. As one would say to a blind man, “When your eyes will be opened, you will know what is what.” That’s all one can say. And when the people said like that, people did not like it. They crucified them, they killed them, they finished them [off/out]. They are not [even/ in nothing] human beings. I mean, just think of that. That a person who told them that this has to happen to you, this should happen to you, was killed. Imagine! And the people who say, “No , you must give us money. You must give us palaces. You must give us big cars and your women and everything.” Such people we worship. We fall at their feet. And those people who were telling you the real, we have killed, crucified them and poisoned them. They bore it all; they bore it all. Not because they were not powerful. Not because they didn’t have the powers. They had tremendous powers. If they had just lifted their finger once, the whole world could have been destroyed. But that’s not the game. The game is to make the whole world aware of God’s Kingdom, and to make them blissful with the powers of God Almighty; this is the job. So you have to show tremendous patience with stupid and foolish people who want to crucify [you]. Because they are so ignorant. But now the time has come for all of us to achieve for which we are created, to be what we have desired. This is the time, the blossom time as they call it, for which you cannot pay. You cannot appoint Me; I have to appoint you. It is the other way round business. You cannot demand. It’s the grace. Otherwise it doesn’t work out. It’s the grace and compassion of God, which should be asked. Here the faith plays the part that, “Yes, it is God who has to bestow His blessing.” That’s why faith was there. And rationality should play the part. To say that this is wrong, this is falsehood, these are fake gurus, these are fake people. But you never used to [both/bolt] the things properly. If you had faith, you would have never organized religion. Because you would have known that it is God’s Hand, it is God’s Grace which has to bestow us and not this theological, college people and these self-appointed people. They cannot give us the grace of God. And the other side of rationality, you never used it properly, because if you had used it you would not have become slaves of these horrible fake gurus. So both ways, mistakes have [occurred/ been put within]. But doesn’t matter. The time has come to get your enlightenment. Now when I tell you all this first and foremost thing is I request you not to feel guilty. Because when I say that, it is very easy to become guilty and finish off [everything/with Me]. There is nothing to feel guilty; you are all in My heart and I love you very much. Whatever you have done it is finished now for Me. As soon as I am facing you, it is all done. Whatever mistakes have been done can be cured. If a child goes and soils his clothes, mother has to clean it, that’s her job, she is paid for it you can say. She is paid by other things not by money. I don’t know what is the payment of feeling your love for others. It is such a tremendous joy that you love so many of them and all of them, despite all their defects and all their mistakes. It is such a tremendous feeling of peace and bliss; that with that feeling you do not consider any, any pain or any effort, being mentioned [to you/ even]. I wish you all get your Realization, fully establish yourself. And you instead of facing Me come and stand with Me. And also feel what I [have/ am] feeling. Once you start feeling that, then you will know the joy of Sahaja Yoga in the real sense. Still you keep yourself limited to your problems, all of you. Now direct your attention to the problems of others. As soon as you do that, you’ll be amazed the transformation will be very, very quick and fast. Today there is no chart and all that, doesn’t matter. Chart is of no use. As long as you’ll get your Realization, then settle down [in it]. In Sahaja Yoga you cannot just come to one of the rooms of Caxton Hall, first you are visiting that room and then you say, “Let’s see what is going on here. Oh! So there is One Mataji has come, all right, you come in, just sit down here.” Then walk off into another room, it is not like that. Here you have to get it. Your search must end, you have to find it, that’s what it is. It’s very different from others. Here you must get your light. This is the point. May God bless you all. Now instead of counting whatever mistakes you have committed, please count your blessings. That’s a better attitude: count your blessings. That’s a much better attitude for Sahaja Yoga. You have to be cheerful. I would request all of you to put your hands towards Me. Now close your eyes. Watch your mind. See if there are some thoughts coming in. Ask your mind, “What are you thinking? Please stop thinking.” You tell him that, “Now is the time for me to become.” If you pray for God that way or if you just watch your mind, “What are you thinking?” if the thoughts are still coming, then you have to do one thing; is to forgive. Forgive everyone who has harmed you. Mostly [those/ that] thoughts that are coming to our mind are about the people, how they have tortured us. So just forgive them; forgiveness, forgive, forgive. Is the greatest weapon to get rid of your thoughts. Just say, “I forgive.” Now some people say, “It is difficult, Mother ,to forgive”, but I tell you it is a myth, another myth. What are you doing by not forgiving? So just say, “I forgive.” Just say, “I forgive.” Forgive everyone. Try to forgive. Just trying to harm yourself by not forgiving. Please put both your legs straight on the ground, touching the ground properly, with a pressure, little, yes. That’s a good idea. Forgive yourself. Try to love and understand yourself. This is the temple of God. Even if I say that you have committed mistakes, you have committed mistakes against yourself. But by not loving this temple, you are going to commit more mistakes. So please forgive yourself. Forgive yourself for whatever you have done. Just forgive it. First forgive others, and then forgive yourself. That’s even more important, I think, for some people. If you do not forgive yourself, you are doing no good to yourself at all. This is, first of all it is wrong to harm yourself, and then not to forgive. It’s all right; in ignorance you have done it, in seeking you have done it. All right, finish it off. You are going to be a different person now. So forget the past. Just forget it. When the flower becomes the fruit, it doesn’t think of its flower stage or its earlier stages. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Try to close your eyes. There would be some who cannot close their eyes because of the flickering in the eyes. If so, then you can open your eyes. If your eyes are not flickering, then better. [Interrupted here.] Try to forgive. Know that you are the Spirit, the eternal [life/light]. All these small things of life are not important to the Divine. Whatever has happened, has happened, forget it. Your inner being cannot be spoiled or ruined. And the most apart to know it might be little bit harmed. All right, doesn’t matter. That can be corrected. But you are the Spirit. [Aside: “Douglas, have you got any lemons or something? Badhas.] How are you? How is she feeling? She’s got it? She’s got it now. Just enjoy. You’ve got it. She’s got it. You just enjoy. That’s a good thing. Now, how do you feel it, ha? The new lady: Pardon? Shri Mataji: After getting [it], you just laugh for three days at least. It happens out of joy. It happens. It’s nice you got it. What’s the matter, My child? Are you feeling hot in the hand? Is it hot? How are you feeling? Nothing? Are you not feeling anything? New person: Yes. Shri Mataji: Are you feeling the cool breeze? Hotness? I know. You are not well, are you? Are you keeping good health? New person: Yes. Shri Mataji: Something wrong with you? New person: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: All right, it doesn’t matter. That also is to be corrected. That’s all My job. What to do? Got it? Got cool breeze in the hands? Close your eyes. Yes, yes, you got it. Close your eyes. It is there. Close your eyes; just see. [Hindi] Close your eyes. It will work out. You’ve been to some guru, or someone? Seeker: [No/Nothing]. Shri Mataji: No? [Then] you are not well at all. Come, come, just come. Here, what’s the matter? Come. Were you not feeling [well/ with her] at all? What happen? Heh, yes? That’s all? What’s wrong? The lady (whispering): [unclear] Shri Mataji: What’s wrong with you? All right, but… something else? You get temperature with that? Do you get your temperature with that? What? You get rid of all that, all right? The lady: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: All right, doesn’t matter. Put [the/ your] left hand towards the back. Put left hand towards the back, all right? Left hand. Put your left hand towards [the back], [good]. In a way it is good because [otherwise] you would not give up that nonsense. All right? It’s nice that these drugs have bad effect; otherwise people won’t give them up. You must get people of your age group, Indians here. What are they doing? Fighting the British and British fighting them? You have to rise above all these things, all right? You better get some more, heh? There are many of your age group here. They are doing very well here. They are architects this, that. And still they are not looking after themselves. I mean, this is, this is becoming your own country. And we are all becoming British. And British, [they/ you] are becoming Indian. It’s not proper. Hai na, ‘must get more people [Hindi words]. Let them get it. They are all being really, all of them are the only for walking on Oxford Street with Arabs. Imagine! Indians walking on Arab streets. Can you think? And that’s Arabs are all right, but what about Indians? What a heritage, what a country! We are all becoming British, you see? More than British. After some time I’ll find Indians wearing tailcoats here, when walking on Oxford Street. Sale and purchase going on. Huh! Better? Now put your hand down, you are going to get cool breeze from the [plane], all right? A lady: Yes Shri Mataji: That’s the best way to understand. Got it. You got it, too? Not yet? A lady: She’ll work out [for sure/ don’t You worry]. She’ll work out. Shri Mataji: Achcha? [All] right? The lady: Yes, yes. Shri Mataji: Yeah, it is working out. Now come this side; it’s better. Come this side. Give Me your left hand. [Ha!] Now put that hand towards Me. In a way, I am happy that drugs are becoming very expensive. I wish they make all the alcohols also expensive, [this kind]. Inflation should work on alcohol, cigarettes and drugs, and fashions. Ah! You’ve got it! What about you? Not yet? Started? Good, good it will work out. It’s going to work out. You see [her vibrations/ how are they feeling]. Get? See hers. Got it? Not yet? All right, it’s working. Keep your eyes open a little, all right? Just a little. Now close your eyes, more over. Don’t feel guilty about anything, all right? You just say, “I am not guilty.” As you, many people feel guilty about everything here, you know? It is so silly sometimes; sometimes so silly, you can’t imagine. Once a lady was wearing a black coat, you know. And she, she told me she’s feeling very guilty. I said, “Why?” We came home. I said, “Why are you feeling so guilty?” She said, “I must tell you now. You see, I was feeling very shy.” I said, “What happened?” She said, “I was wearing, by mistake, I was wearing a brown shoes, you see. [I should be] wearing a black.” I said, “I didn’t see it.” What is there to feel guilty? All right? You get it? Right, that’s what you get. These are the centers you catch, all right? The right finger? Is the one here, it’s liver. Sahaja Yogis should go deeper, [well], each day. Go deep into yourself. Where is he going to, Peter? Peter: Getting something for food. Shri Mataji: Ah? Sahaja Yogi: Getting something for the food. Shri Mataji: Getting what? Ah? Another Sahaja Yogi: Means, I can get sweets for the [ladies but]… Shri Mataji: No, no, you better get into your meditation. This is the time you should be there. What are you all doing? All organizing. Come along. Go into meditation. You needed the most. At this time you don’t organize. Linda, you better sit separately with him. That’s better. Peter, come this side. Come along. Don’t organize at this time. You organize yourself. Come along. This is the time to organize? All My Powers are flowing and what are you doing at this time, to get some sweets? Just think of it. Ha! Close your eyes. Just feel, just now; it is all flowing out. Go deep into yourself. You have to go deep now. [Shri Mataji aside]: Is it cooler? Sahaja Yogini: Yes. Shri Mataji: Sit down. Sit down. You sit that side. Just can you take [out your coat]. Shri Mataji: Yes, I’ll carry my [unclear]. Shri Mataji: Sit down. Sit down. [unclear] Enjoy yourself. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Just go deep into yourself. Every time you must go [into] deep meditation. [And enjoying yourself/ When you are in there, you know]. Don’t allow any thoughts to come in and just go deep. [Shri Mataji]: Douglas, Douglas, give Me another one, another one also. [Unclear]. He’s going to come. All right, working it out. [Talk interrupted here.] Now if you all say Sahasrara Mantra, [till Sahasrara opens/ then Sahasrara’s opening]. May God Bless you. [Yogis chanting Sahasrara Mantra] I think you all put your Sahasrara towards Me. [It] will be a good idea to open it out. Yes, towards Me, not too low, not too high. Up, you are all right. Those who have got [it] today, it’s all right. You’ve got it now? Not yet? Now you work it out. Keep your attention on Me, here. You got cold? Get sign of [trouble/ struggle?] Lady: Me? No. Shri Mataji: [Who is she? Do you know? / Not she? No?] You got cold? Just now? No? What is the problem here? Can you remove your hair from your head? Yes, from here, [from your] forehead, just this side. Bend your head a little. Bend your head in such a manner that the Sahasrara faces Me. All of you, please bend you head, little more, little more, little more, that’s all. Hmm, little, so that your Sahasrara… [Talk interrupted here] Can you tell her problem to Me? Who is there? Behind him? Yeh? Jim? Jim is sitting there. Just tell. Just see what’s the problem. Linda, just see what chakras she’s catching. Do like that, pressure on your eyes. Do it; put a pressure on your eyes, hard, hard. Now, once more, once more. Just see now. Where? Here? Why, you know her? You don’t know? Start it. You are very good. Why not? Start it. Just see. She knows also. Yes, come along. Esther, you come in front and see, tell them how to do it. Hmm! These two can. Can’t you feel these two? Why? Come along. Just start feeling it, all of you. Ah, of course! Just see her. What’s the problem? Hmm! You see? Hmm! Now this lady, somebody has to see. Jane or someone, anybody? Linda, someone? The lady you can come. See her, here. One or two person should see her. Got Realisation... [Hindi] [Shri Mataji mentioned while talking in Hindi: “Agnya, Hatha Yoga, left Vishuddhi, left problem”] What’s the matter? Sahaja Yogi: A bit right Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Ah? Sahaja Yogi: Right Nabhi. Right Nabhi. Shri Mataji: [What’s that? Achcha, Well] she looks thin [now/ enough]. Put your hands like that, just like that. She looks weak. It’s all right. We’ll work out. A lady: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Yes, you see, liver, and you have a little liver problem. You don’t know but it is so. Symptoms of the liver is that you feel very lethargic in the morning; you don’t feel like getting up sometimes. Sometimes you feel like vomiting. You feel giddy. Liver. The lady: [Unclear question]. Shri Mataji: This is liver. You see, in the liver if the digestion is not all right. It’s the liver, you see. It sorts out all your poisons in the body and all unwanted things and [when/ then] it is not healthy, then it will change within itself. You get heated up and it’s a problem also like that. Body gets heated up; you feel heat in [your/ the] body with that. But you, you have been to some gurus also, isn’t it? No. You didn’t you go to any spiritualist, or nothing of the kind? So the problem can be less. Are you a housewife or what are you doing? Heh? Lady: [Unclear answer] Shri Mataji: You are a nun. Ah? The lady: I work on liver worms. Shri Mataji: You have worked on the? What she’s saying? What did she say? A lady: She works on the liver worms. Shri Mataji: You have brought the liver of all the people here, you see. You are representing their liver here, that’s why. Can you imagine? I have to work on all of them now. Just think of it. Very strong liver [I think/ can tingle]. Can you imagine? Better now, isn’t she? Treating the liver patient, you get liver trouble. Treating the mad people, people become mad, absolutely. They don’t know, psychologists all are patients are of psychology, even those who study. We have had all kinds of permutations and combinations, all kinds of samples. [Hindi] Ah! [Extraordinary!] Feeling it in the hand, yes? Good. Now put your left hand on your liver, here. Yes, that’s all. Yes, for all the liver patients, all right? And I’ll teach you how to treat them. The lady: [The patients]? Shri Mataji: Yeah, you can, you can cure them. You know, fifty percent of these people were liverish. Yes, it’s a very common disease in the West. Better now, you see? Thank you! Got it? The lady: Yes, it’s cool. Shri Mataji: Good, good, on the head, just see, it is cool? Good! This lady is very good. She has got it. What about you? Not yet? Seeker: Not yet, Mother. Must be coming for [several/ seven] times. Shri Mataji: You start thinking, it will become hot. You just stop thinking, it will be cold, all right? You watch Me without thinking. Now what about this lady, just here. Is [it] better? Sahaja Yogini: [To a certain point.] Shri Mataji: Yes, good, good, good, it’s working out. [Ryan/ Lynn] are you all right now? Good, your [wife/ voice] sounds very good? John, you come here. Just come here. Hmm! [Agnya?] [Hindi] Just [starts no doubt. May God bless you.] And put your hand here, left towards Me, right [over here]. May God bless you. How are you? A man: [How are you?] I have a problem with my Agnya, Mother. I see a light. Shri Mataji: Ah! The man: I was sitting over there. I can’t see You clearly. I see a light around You. Ah! Very fuzzy light, I don’t know what’s going on... Shri Mataji: What’s going on? It is drug? What else is there? It happened to so many people, to Pat and all these people. So you see Me as I am. The man: No, I don’t see you in any different form, Mother just a... Shri Mataji : Aura? The man : A circular light. Shri Mataji: Where? The man: Coming, just there. It’s like after You look a candle and You look white, something like that. Mother: Aura or something. All right, now put your [hands] [unclear], left towards Me. I think if you start wearing the dress suit that will be good. They will all run away. Must be some hippie coming around. And those who are wearing suits all the time should wear little hippie dress so that’s [how/ out]. That’s how it is going to solve the problem. I don’t understand. Ha, all right? Sahaja Yogis: Yes. [unclear] Shri Mataji: All right. What was your mantra? Mantra? That horrible? Sahaja Yogi (to somebody): Then Shri Mataji will tell you [unclear] back side [unclear]. Shri Mataji: No, no what was, what did he give you as a mantra? Lady: Aim. Shri Mataji : Aim?.. Ah! Better? A person: Ha. Shri Mataji: Ha! What about him, John? Sahaja Yogi: He’s on the left. Shri Mataji: Left? Weak? Sahaja Yogi: Yeah, that’s a lot. Shri Mataji: Why? Have you been to some Guru? Seeker: Maharishi. Shri Mataji: Ah! Better? Maharishi? Useless fellow. Such a useless man – I was calling him useless, I wish I could call him much more. What is that about? Hello. How are you?	null	null	null	Being Born Again, Public Programme. Caxton Hall, London (England), 12 May 1980. I think those who have come for the first time should be on the first row. It will be better for Me. All those who have come for the first time, please [sit down here.] Yes, good. You may take out your cloth - it’s very warm - if you think so, or it’s all right whatever you wear. It is said that in us lies the power to be reborn. In all the Scriptures it has been said very clearly that you have to be born again, that you have to be baptized, that you have to become a pir, you have to become a brahmin. All these descriptions have come to us from all the great Scriptures. It is very easy to say that we don’t believe in God, we don’t believe in any incarnations, we don’t believe in Jesus, we don’t believe in any religion, we don’t believe in anything. It is very easy to say. Even it is easy to say that we believe in them; we believe in God, we believe in Christ, we believe in incarnations, we believe in Krishna, Rama, all that. Both things are equally the same. When you believe in God, you believe in darkness and ignorance. And when you do not believe in Him, also you are in ignorance. By believing into Him, you close your eyes, accept the faith and go along with it. Of course, it shows that you’re conscious of some power which is beyond. Such people have a great chance. But in case, if you go to the extremes of these kind of things, then you start only believing in Christ, only believing in Mohammed, only believing in Krishna, I mean, depending on where you are born. Imagine, how human beings are narrow-minded. If you are born in England, then either you will be a Catholic or a Protestant or maybe one of these witchcraft people. You believe into anything because you are localized in a place. There have been some identifications, because your mother believed into something, or father believed into something, or you paid for something. And then this faith can really become such a blinding effect on people that you develop absurd type of groups which [we] call them as Christians, Hindus, Muslims or whatever you may say, and are extremely, extremely exclusive, blind and fanatic. Today one of the problems of our times, of these modern times is fanaticism. Now this fanaticism has been growing. The more people try to get out of fanaticism it grows more. For example, people who gave up religion, who gave up God, I mean in the sense they never gave up, we cannot give Him up. He has to give you up. But those who felt that they have been able to deny God, have done nothing good, they are equally useless. I mean they had, [think] by giving up God, they have given up all ideas of any control by divinity or anything. And what have they achieved? Suicides, bad societies, sick people. They have achieved nothing. So one side is this fanaticism growing deeper and deeper into people who remain in fanatic ideas, while the other side to prove that they were correct the other side also is growing also deeper and deeper; and both are wrong. The main thing is that you have to feel God within you. You have to become something more by which you can feel the Divine, not through your rationality, not through your rationality by any chance, neither through your faith. If the faith is blind, you cannot know God. You’ll become a fanatic. If people could just remain faithful and do not become fanatic, then there is no harm. Or else even if you deny God and you do not become egoistical, then there is no harm. But that’s not possible. We are [progressive, progressing]. We cannot stand at a point. Once we start moving, we start moving in that directions. Either we have to be fanatics or we have to be absolutely egoistical and terrible. That’s how we finish off ourselves. And all these extreme behavior of human beings have brought such a shame to God, to His creation and to the beauty and joy that He wants to bestow upon you. Rationally, I can prove the existence of God, no doubt, but rationally I can also disapprove, because rationality is an illusion. It is an illusion, like the people in the West say, “You just can’t say which way [it is.]” With rationality you go about anything, like you can say, “What’s wrong? What’s wrong in denying God? Nothing is wrong.” What is wrong itself, how are you going to [define, detect], is the point. Through rationality, you cannot say what is right and wrong, because rationality speaks on relative terminology, on a limited sphere. Now, whether to tell the truth is right or not. How can you say? Supposing somebody is about to murder someone and he is asking where [is, then] the person has gone. If you tell that person the truth that, “That person has gone this side,” through your rationality because you think truth telling is good, the person is killed. If you see today’s atmosphere, you’ll find there’s such a confusion. People do not know who is right, who is wrong. To some people it is great to be a fanatic; they think they are doing a great honor to themselves because they are fanatics. They are so confused that they do not know how far to go in obeying the religious warnings and religious, we can say, the saints. And how far not to go they do not know. It is such a confusion. In this confusion you the seekers are [there]. You are seekers of truth of ages. If you are not, Sahaja Yoga is not going to help you much. If you have come here just to rationalize something, this is not a place where you can discuss, argue it out or anything. It has to work in you. It has to give you that blessing. If it cannot bestow that blessing in you, then Sahaja Yoga is useless, useless for you. So this is the central point where you recognize within yourself by becoming something else, that there is God. Not only that He is there, but His power is all-pervading, that He organizes, cooperates the whole universe, and that He is the all-powerful, all-knowing. All these things you feel within yourself. You recognize Him not through your rationality but through your feeling. Like if I put My finger to this [plate/plane] it will be burnt. This is My feeling. It’s My subjective knowledge. Somebody tells Me it is hot, I’ll say, “What’s wrong? Let Me put My hand on it.” But the feeling is such an absolute thing that when you will touch it, even a child can say that, “It is hot.” So that absolute feeling within us which makes us feel through our organs, sensory organs, the hot and cold by which we hear and we see clearly, that subjective knowledge, whatever language you speak, whatever religion you follow, whether you are an atheist, or egoistical, or whatever [it is], that feeling when it gets enlightened, then you start feeling God, God Almighty. Then you can also rationalize it in the sense that when I burnt My finger I’ll say, “Yes, what they said it’s correct. It burns your finger. It’s a fact.” But unless and until this happens to you, all other arguments and discussions are of no value, anyone whatsoever. I was amazed Myself when I was born, to see such ignorant people quarrelling over something which they do not know at all, nothing of the kind. They are so ignorant. They don’t know that there is power of God working. They cannot feel it. And what are they doing, whether they are church people or temple people, or these scientists? When they talk about God, they are at the level from where they cannot talk. But they are not even conscious that they are at that level. This is why we have to know that despite all effort to destroy our Scriptures, this knowledge that you have to become something else, that you are to be reborn, this knowledge they could not destroy. They have tried to maneuver it for their own advantage. They have tried to use it for their own building up because they must have big, big buildings, they must have big, big money projects and sometimes they also have some business. Well, how can you do all these things in the name of God? Just think of it. But they are doing all these mad things and they call it God, and the seeker gets absolutely shocked and surprised. But then he also gets into the whole whirlpool, he just cannot get out of it because he is a seeker. He says, “Let me go and see for myself what it is. Let me burn my finger here and there and find out for myself.” Now I say again, like all these people have said, that you have to be born again. They have said [it] to prepare you all for this happening. It’s My fortune that I have to do it. It has to happen. If they have said all these things, either they were all false and wrong. So I am here to prove it. Not that they were wrong in any way. But they were the only people who were right. They were the only people who knew. They were the only people who were enlightened. They had an eyesight to see much deeper than what you can see. So within us lies that power ,and that power is anxious to give you your second birth. That power lies as shown lies in the triangular bone of sacrum. And you can see with your naked eyes the rising of this power. It has nothing to do what nationality you come from, what sort of cloths you are wearing, what sort of hair dress you have. It has nothing to do [with it]. But it has to do something with your inner being. And why in the inner being there are certain problems which you have created out of your ignorance. And this power is being your Mother, your sweet loving Mother who has been born again and again with you, knows your problems and She knows also how to correct [it, them.] So I say that you don’t have to do anything about it. It just works, has to work. But for human beings to understand that their evolution has to come spontaneously is very difficult, especially in the West. They think that they’ll have to do something about God to fix Him up, appoint Him, pay for Him to give you Realization. It is that absurd. Of course it makes you laugh. But we are sometimes [ourselves] like that. We think that we can pay for Him, then He’ll come down and bestow His grace upon us. We can purchase Him or we can honor Him by which He’ll give us. No, it is His grace. It is His own compassion that He’s going to do it, as it has been done before when we became human beings from amoeba stage. It is His Love, His own ambition, you can call it in human understanding, that He wants to bestow His Powers onto His own children, onto His own creation. And as you are the flowers, human beings are the flowers of His creation. He wants to transform you into this beautiful fulfillment of your own being. These are the fruits of His creation, His garden. But all these words can sound very poetic and very enchanting, and it should be so. The Kundalini is awakened within us, all the time to help us. I have seen to My very great sorrow that we have really hurt our Kundalini and last we have really tortured Her. I’ve seen big, big holes, wounds in Her being. In our ego, in our useless ideas, we have really wounded our Kundalini. I’ve seen this poor Kundalini in a mess and I soothe Her. I soothe Her and tell Her that, “You, the Mother of this child, be contented that this child has got desire to know.” So, the first stage has to be the desire, desire to know about God. If you have no desire to [unclear] know [about] God, God is not going to fall at your feet. At least you should be mature so much that you want to know God. That is why Sahaja Yoga is a slow process; it does not work out on people who do not want it. You have to be interested in knowing yourself. This is the only thing that is required in Sahaja Yoga, that you should be ardently desirous of becoming that. Then it will happen. This is the first basic thing; you must have desire. Then also there are other things which are very important, which I’ve seen. Because now I’ve been traveling and I’ve been meeting people and I’ve been seeing that there are problems which have touched the path of Kundalini also. The path of Kundalini can be quiet rugged, and Kundalini may refuse to come up. And even if She comes up, out of pain She may drop out. The path of Kundalini we have ruined by so many things. And these wounds we have caused to the path, in the central path by not remaining in the center but going to extremes. We have harmed ourselves. You, you have not harmed anybody else but you have harmed yourself. You have harmed your own chances. But even that can be cured because God is Compassion. He is Love, and He understands that you have been childish, you have been immature and that you should be helped. But maybe that you still do not know the desire of this Kundalini within you, and that you may not be on the same level as She is. Still, She will work it [out]. All kinds of grace is given; grace marks, as you call. It is actually the meaning of your life. All your lives, what have you been? You might have been a Roman soldier. All right, then? You might have been Caesar. So what? You might have been Napoleon. All right, so what? You might have been Louis the XIV or could be one of these horrible kings [who] killed his seven wives. You could have been the bloody Mary or someone like that, or you could have been a, some gracious woman. All right, so what? You have not known God so [far]. You might have been the mightiest of mighty. You might have been [Ouzoo/ “Who is who”] or you might have been in the history. Your photograph may be there. So what? So far you have not known God. Till you have not known that absolute within you, you cannot know God. Only by knowing your Spirit, you will know God. Like, without My Eyes, I cannot see you. In the same way, without knowing your Spirit, you cannot feel God. And you have to know your Spirit. But when I say, “You have to know you...” that doesn’t mean by jumping or by doing anything that you will do. But you have to get it. Now when you have to get it also, I don’t know human beings understand or not, that you don’t have to do anything about it. Now there is no way of saying it that you just don’t have to do anything and it will happen to you that you have to become that. As soon as I say that you have to become that, you’ll say, “Then we have to do something.” Any sentence you use like that, you think we have to put in some effort or some money or something else. But it is an effortless [being/thing]. It is the effortless happening which is beyond human understanding. We cannot understand that we can do something effortlessly, but we do. We digest our food without putting an effort. We breathe without any effort. We’ve become human being without any effort. We’ve got the whole sky before us, the whole universe before us, without any effort. All things that are important are without any effort. These unimportant things like getting a chair or a car and all that, of course for that you might have put an effort, but to what [avail/other thing]? Whatever is vital you’ve got it without effort, and that’s why this is going to happen to you without any effort. But try to bring your mind to a position where you must accept that it is effortless. The happening is absolutely effortless, and after that happening your efforts have to be to neutralize your previous efforts. This is the problem which is even worse than anything else. Happening is an easy thing, happening within [you]. But you have already you finished off many things within you which must be corrected. And to really become effortlessly thoughtless, will be your main problem. But there are so many here, as you know, who have got it, who have found it and are managing it. So you all should get it. But as I said, that as I’ve traveled a lot and I’ve seen that people have problems of a different nature according to the society they live in, according to the countries they live in, according to the ideas on which they have lived. All these things do create a problem in your centers. And these problems are best solved if through your happening, if you would like to dissociate from all this misidentification. And this misidentification itself will start troubling you, then you’ll have to give up. I’ll tell you a simple example of such a thing. We have people from all kinds. Say we have a bureaucrat who comes to us and he has a problem, because the bureaucrats have a problem on the Nabhi. And they could be very horrid. Their Kundalini can be absolutely frozen you know. It’s terrible to raise their Kundalini. I get such a headache, and the whole force has to be put in for a bureaucrat. One bureaucrat is equal to one thousand small children, I can tell you. Horrible they are, and if they say there are bureaucrats or so I just prepare Myself, you see. And if you have to shake a hand with a bureaucrat you have to massage your hand properly, you see, before you shake it. But if you have to raise the Kundalini, oh God, you, before and after you are just finished [within.] So, now supposing there is a bureaucrat. He is misidentified with his problems. He comes to Me. I think he gets his Realization, all right. But he cannot forget that he is a bureaucrat. He goes on identifying with himself, bureaucracy. Then he’ll talk, “I believe.” Then I look at him, “Still?” Still it is there. Still it is there. Like we can take the case of now hippies who are another bureaucrats, I tell you. They are no less. Hippies thought no end of themselves. They thought, “Whatever we do to ourselves is our own. Who is [who/ this] anyone to tell us?” you see. So they had a real drugstore within them, you see. They created a real problem for themselves. Spoiling their brains, spoiling their whole Kundalini, everything, Oh, they’ve got themselves into a real mess. You see, if freedom means nonsense, then one can only conclude that people have no sense of freedom. Like, you put some children in a room to play, and there they start eating. First of all, if they get some sweets, they’ll eat. Then they’ll eat the tea. Then the tea is finished. Then they’ll say, “All right, eat some [ashes/ ice-creams].” Then they’ll eat ashes. Then they’ll eat some cow dung. It is like that. It is so stupid and foolish to ruin yourself like this. But they have done it. Now you are given Realization, and after Realization, still you go back to the same serious state of becoming great wise people who have been taking drugs. You cannot get out of it, you see. It’s very difficult. That “this was wrong I did it. It was wrong, I’ve done it. I should get out of it.” There is no wisdom in it. So all these misidentifications, [and/or] there are so many others like that. Like somebody has been to some guru. Now that guru is a crook. He has made money out of them, all right? He has befooled them completely. He’s been telling them stories. All right. They have become bankrupt giving money to him. Everything has happened. Now they have come out of it. Now you must understand that you were befooled, and he was useless fellow and “I have nothing to do with him.” But the misidentification still works out. Once you get your Realization, still you cling on together to all the people who come from the same guru and you share all the nonsense. Now you have no more belonging to any group now. You have become universal. All these misidentifications are useless. They give you angularities. They do not give you individuality. They give you angularities ,and these angularities are troublesome to the society and to yourself. They have given you demise. Your normal life has become extremely abnormal or subnormal. So, normalize yourself in Sahaja Yoga, and you will be amazed that you are no more belonging to any country, no more belonging to any group, any democracy, bureaucracy or communism or anything, but you become a human being who is on absolute values as a human being. This is a tremendous thing. This is what today we need in this world: human beings who have jumped onto the absolute values. Absolute does not compromise. It does not aggress, nor takes any aggression because it is absolute. It is not afraid of anyone. Because absolute is compassion, absolute is love and absolute is truth. When your attention becomes enlightened by that absolute, it’s a very limited again terminology to explain that it gets enlightened. But to understand it, one has to become. As one would say to a blind man, “When your eyes will be opened, you will know what is what.” That’s all one can say. And when the people said like that, people did not like it. They crucified them, they killed them, they finished them [off/out]. They are not [even/ in nothing] human beings. I mean, just think of that. That a person who told them that this has to happen to you, this should happen to you, was killed. Imagine! And the people who say, “No , you must give us money. You must give us palaces. You must give us big cars and your women and everything.” Such people we worship. We fall at their feet. And those people who were telling you the real, we have killed, crucified them and poisoned them. They bore it all; they bore it all. Not because they were not powerful. Not because they didn’t have the powers. They had tremendous powers. If they had just lifted their finger once, the whole world could have been destroyed. But that’s not the game. The game is to make the whole world aware of God’s Kingdom, and to make them blissful with the powers of God Almighty; this is the job. So you have to show tremendous patience with stupid and foolish people who want to crucify [you]. Because they are so ignorant. But now the time has come for all of us to achieve for which we are created, to be what we have desired. This is the time, the blossom time as they call it, for which you cannot pay. You cannot appoint Me; I have to appoint you. It is the other way round business. You cannot demand. It’s the grace. Otherwise it doesn’t work out. It’s the grace and compassion of God, which should be asked. Here the faith plays the part that, “Yes, it is God who has to bestow His blessing.” That’s why faith was there. And rationality should play the part. To say that this is wrong, this is falsehood, these are fake gurus, these are fake people. But you never used to [both/bolt] the things properly. If you had faith, you would have never organized religion. Because you would have known that it is God’s Hand, it is God’s Grace which has to bestow us and not this theological, college people and these self-appointed people. They cannot give us the grace of God. And the other side of rationality, you never used it properly, because if you had used it you would not have become slaves of these horrible fake gurus. So both ways, mistakes have [occurred/ been put within]. But doesn’t matter. The time has come to get your enlightenment. Now when I tell you all this first and foremost thing is I request you not to feel guilty. Because when I say that, it is very easy to become guilty and finish off [everything/with Me]. There is nothing to feel guilty; you are all in My heart and I love you very much. Whatever you have done it is finished now for Me. As soon as I am facing you, it is all done. Whatever mistakes have been done can be cured. If a child goes and soils his clothes, mother has to clean it, that’s her job, she is paid for it you can say. She is paid by other things not by money. I don’t know what is the payment of feeling your love for others. It is such a tremendous joy that you love so many of them and all of them, despite all their defects and all their mistakes. It is such a tremendous feeling of peace and bliss; that with that feeling you do not consider any, any pain or any effort, being mentioned [to you/ even]. I wish you all get your Realization, fully establish yourself. And you instead of facing Me come and stand with Me. And also feel what I [have/ am] feeling. Once you start feeling that, then you will know the joy of Sahaja Yoga in the real sense. Still you keep yourself limited to your problems, all of you. Now direct your attention to the problems of others. As soon as you do that, you’ll be amazed the transformation will be very, very quick and fast. Today there is no chart and all that, doesn’t matter. Chart is of no use. As long as you’ll get your Realization, then settle down [in it]. In Sahaja Yoga you cannot just come to one of the rooms of Caxton Hall, first you are visiting that room and then you say, “Let’s see what is going on here. Oh! So there is One Mataji has come, all right, you come in, just sit down here.” Then walk off into another room, it is not like that. Here you have to get it. Your search must end, you have to find it, that’s what it is. It’s very different from others. Here you must get your light. This is the point. May God bless you all. Now instead of counting whatever mistakes you have committed, please count your blessings. That’s a better attitude: count your blessings. That’s a much better attitude for Sahaja Yoga. You have to be cheerful. I would request all of you to put your hands towards Me. Now close your eyes. Watch your mind. See if there are some thoughts coming in. Ask your mind, “What are you thinking? Please stop thinking.” You tell him that, “Now is the time for me to become.” If you pray for God that way or if you just watch your mind, “What are you thinking?” if the thoughts are still coming, then you have to do one thing; is to forgive. Forgive everyone who has harmed you. Mostly [those/ that] thoughts that are coming to our mind are about the people, how they have tortured us. So just forgive them; forgiveness, forgive, forgive. Is the greatest weapon to get rid of your thoughts. Just say, “I forgive.” Now some people say, “It is difficult, Mother ,to forgive”, but I tell you it is a myth, another myth. What are you doing by not forgiving? So just say, “I forgive.” Just say, “I forgive.” Forgive everyone. Try to forgive. Just trying to harm yourself by not forgiving. Please put both your legs straight on the ground, touching the ground properly, with a pressure, little, yes. That’s a good idea. Forgive yourself. Try to love and understand yourself. This is the temple of God. Even if I say that you have committed mistakes, you have committed mistakes against yourself. But by not loving this temple, you are going to commit more mistakes. So please forgive yourself. Forgive yourself for whatever you have done. Just forgive it. First forgive others, and then forgive yourself. That’s even more important, I think, for some people. If you do not forgive yourself, you are doing no good to yourself at all. This is, first of all it is wrong to harm yourself, and then not to forgive. It’s all right; in ignorance you have done it, in seeking you have done it. All right, finish it off. You are going to be a different person now. So forget the past. Just forget it. When the flower becomes the fruit, it doesn’t think of its flower stage or its earlier stages. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Try to close your eyes. There would be some who cannot close their eyes because of the flickering in the eyes. If so, then you can open your eyes. If your eyes are not flickering, then better. [Interrupted here.] Try to forgive. Know that you are the Spirit, the eternal [life/light]. All these small things of life are not important to the Divine. Whatever has happened, has happened, forget it. Your inner being cannot be spoiled or ruined. And the most apart to know it might be little bit harmed. All right, doesn’t matter. That can be corrected. But you are the Spirit. [Aside: “Douglas, have you got any lemons or something? Badhas.] How are you? How is she feeling? She’s got it? She’s got it now. Just enjoy. You’ve got it. She’s got it. You just enjoy. That’s a good thing. Now, how do you feel it, ha? The new lady: Pardon? Shri Mataji: After getting [it], you just laugh for three days at least. It happens out of joy. It happens. It’s nice you got it. What’s the matter, My child? Are you feeling hot in the hand? Is it hot? How are you feeling? Nothing? Are you not feeling anything? New person: Yes. Shri Mataji: Are you feeling the cool breeze? Hotness? I know. You are not well, are you? Are you keeping good health? New person: Yes. Shri Mataji: Something wrong with you? New person: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: All right, it doesn’t matter. That also is to be corrected. That’s all My job. What to do? Got it? Got cool breeze in the hands? Close your eyes. Yes, yes, you got it. Close your eyes. It is there. Close your eyes; just see. [Hindi] Close your eyes. It will work out. You’ve been to some guru, or someone? Seeker: [No/Nothing]. Shri Mataji: No? [Then] you are not well at all. Come, come, just come. Here, what’s the matter? Come. Were you not feeling [well/ with her] at all? What happen? Heh, yes? That’s all? What’s wrong? The lady (whispering): [unclear] Shri Mataji: What’s wrong with you? All right, but… something else? You get temperature with that? Do you get your temperature with that? What? You get rid of all that, all right? The lady: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: All right, doesn’t matter. Put [the/ your] left hand towards the back. Put left hand towards the back, all right? Left hand. Put your left hand towards [the back], [good]. In a way it is good because [otherwise] you would not give up that nonsense. All right? It’s nice that these drugs have bad effect; otherwise people won’t give them up. You must get people of your age group, Indians here. What are they doing? Fighting the British and British fighting them? You have to rise above all these things, all right? You better get some more, heh? There are many of your age group here. They are doing very well here. They are architects this, that. And still they are not looking after themselves. I mean, this is, this is becoming your own country. And we are all becoming British. And British, [they/ you] are becoming Indian. It’s not proper. Hai na, ‘must get more people [Hindi words]. Let them get it. They are all being really, all of them are the only for walking on Oxford Street with Arabs. Imagine! Indians walking on Arab streets. Can you think? And that’s Arabs are all right, but what about Indians? What a heritage, what a country! We are all becoming British, you see? More than British. After some time I’ll find Indians wearing tailcoats here, when walking on Oxford Street. Sale and purchase going on. Huh! Better? Now put your hand down, you are going to get cool breeze from the [plane], all right? A lady: Yes Shri Mataji: That’s the best way to understand. Got it. You got it, too? Not yet? A lady: She’ll work out [for sure/ don’t You worry]. She’ll work out. Shri Mataji: Achcha? [All] right? The lady: Yes, yes. Shri Mataji: Yeah, it is working out. Now come this side; it’s better. Come this side. Give Me your left hand. [Ha!] Now put that hand towards Me. In a way, I am happy that drugs are becoming very expensive. I wish they make all the alcohols also expensive, [this kind]. Inflation should work on alcohol, cigarettes and drugs, and fashions. Ah! You’ve got it! What about you? Not yet? Started? Good, good it will work out. It’s going to work out. You see [her vibrations/ how are they feeling]. Get? See hers. Got it? Not yet? All right, it’s working. Keep your eyes open a little, all right? Just a little. Now close your eyes, more over. Don’t feel guilty about anything, all right? You just say, “I am not guilty.” As you, many people feel guilty about everything here, you know? It is so silly sometimes; sometimes so silly, you can’t imagine. Once a lady was wearing a black coat, you know. And she, she told me she’s feeling very guilty. I said, “Why?” We came home. I said, “Why are you feeling so guilty?” She said, “I must tell you now. You see, I was feeling very shy.” I said, “What happened?” She said, “I was wearing, by mistake, I was wearing a brown shoes, you see. [I should be] wearing a black.” I said, “I didn’t see it.” What is there to feel guilty? All right? You get it? Right, that’s what you get. These are the centers you catch, all right? The right finger? Is the one here, it’s liver. Sahaja Yogis should go deeper, [well], each day. Go deep into yourself. Where is he going to, Peter? Peter: Getting something for food. Shri Mataji: Ah? Sahaja Yogi: Getting something for the food. Shri Mataji: Getting what? Ah? Another Sahaja Yogi: Means, I can get sweets for the [ladies but]… Shri Mataji: No, no, you better get into your meditation. This is the time you should be there. What are you all doing? All organizing. Come along. Go into meditation. You needed the most. At this time you don’t organize. Linda, you better sit separately with him. That’s better. Peter, come this side. Come along. Don’t organize at this time. You organize yourself. Come along. This is the time to organize? All My Powers are flowing and what are you doing at this time, to get some sweets? Just think of it. Ha! Close your eyes. Just feel, just now; it is all flowing out. Go deep into yourself. You have to go deep now. [Shri Mataji aside]: Is it cooler? Sahaja Yogini: Yes. Shri Mataji: Sit down. Sit down. You sit that side. Just can you take [out your coat]. Shri Mataji: Yes, I’ll carry my [unclear]. Shri Mataji: Sit down. Sit down. [unclear] Enjoy yourself. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Just go deep into yourself. Every time you must go [into] deep meditation. [And enjoying yourself/ When you are in there, you know]. Don’t allow any thoughts to come in and just go deep. [Shri Mataji]: Douglas, Douglas, give Me another one, another one also. [Unclear]. He’s going to come. All right, working it out. [Talk interrupted here.] Now if you all say Sahasrara Mantra, [till Sahasrara opens/ then Sahasrara’s opening]. May God Bless you. [Yogis chanting Sahasrara Mantra] I think you all put your Sahasrara towards Me. [It] will be a good idea to open it out. Yes, towards Me, not too low, not too high. Up, you are all right. Those who have got [it] today, it’s all right. You’ve got it now? Not yet? Now you work it out. Keep your attention on Me, here. You got cold? Get sign of [trouble/ struggle?] Lady: Me? No. Shri Mataji: [Who is she? Do you know? / Not she? No?] You got cold? Just now? No? What is the problem here? Can you remove your hair from your head? Yes, from here, [from your] forehead, just this side. Bend your head a little. Bend your head in such a manner that the Sahasrara faces Me. All of you, please bend you head, little more, little more, little more, that’s all. Hmm, little, so that your Sahasrara… [Talk interrupted here] Can you tell her problem to Me? Who is there? Behind him? Yeh? Jim? Jim is sitting there. Just tell. Just see what’s the problem. Linda, just see what chakras she’s catching. Do like that, pressure on your eyes. Do it; put a pressure on your eyes, hard, hard. Now, once more, once more. Just see now. Where? Here? Why, you know her? You don’t know? Start it. You are very good. Why not? Start it. Just see. She knows also. Yes, come along. Esther, you come in front and see, tell them how to do it. Hmm! These two can. Can’t you feel these two? Why? Come along. Just start feeling it, all of you. Ah, of course! Just see her. What’s the problem? Hmm! You see? Hmm! Now this lady, somebody has to see. Jane or someone, anybody? Linda, someone? The lady you can come. See her, here. One or two person should see her. Got Realisation... [Hindi] [Shri Mataji mentioned while talking in Hindi: “Agnya, Hatha Yoga, left Vishuddhi, left problem”] What’s the matter? Sahaja Yogi: A bit right Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Ah? Sahaja Yogi: Right Nabhi. Right Nabhi. Shri Mataji: [What’s that? Achcha, Well] she looks thin [now/ enough]. Put your hands like that, just like that. She looks weak. It’s all right. We’ll work out. A lady: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: Yes, you see, liver, and you have a little liver problem. You don’t know but it is so. Symptoms of the liver is that you feel very lethargic in the morning; you don’t feel like getting up sometimes. Sometimes you feel like vomiting. You feel giddy. Liver. The lady: [Unclear question]. Shri Mataji: This is liver. You see, in the liver if the digestion is not all right. It’s the liver, you see. It sorts out all your poisons in the body and all unwanted things and [when/ then] it is not healthy, then it will change within itself. You get heated up and it’s a problem also like that. Body gets heated up; you feel heat in [your/ the] body with that. But you, you have been to some gurus also, isn’t it? No. You didn’t you go to any spiritualist, or nothing of the kind? So the problem can be less. Are you a housewife or what are you doing? Heh? Lady: [Unclear answer] Shri Mataji: You are a nun. Ah? The lady: I work on liver worms. Shri Mataji: You have worked on the? What she’s saying? What did she say? A lady: She works on the liver worms. Shri Mataji: You have brought the liver of all the people here, you see. You are representing their liver here, that’s why. Can you imagine? I have to work on all of them now. Just think of it. Very strong liver [I think/ can tingle]. Can you imagine? Better now, isn’t she? Treating the liver patient, you get liver trouble. Treating the mad people, people become mad, absolutely. They don’t know, psychologists all are patients are of psychology, even those who study. We have had all kinds of permutations and combinations, all kinds of samples. [Hindi] Ah! [Extraordinary!] Feeling it in the hand, yes? Good. Now put your left hand on your liver, here. Yes, that’s all. Yes, for all the liver patients, all right? And I’ll teach you how to treat them. The lady: [The patients]? Shri Mataji: Yeah, you can, you can cure them. You know, fifty percent of these people were liverish. Yes, it’s a very common disease in the West. Better now, you see? Thank you! Got it? The lady: Yes, it’s cool. Shri Mataji: Good, good, on the head, just see, it is cool? Good! This lady is very good. She has got it. What about you? Not yet? Seeker: Not yet, Mother. Must be coming for [several/ seven] times. Shri Mataji: You start thinking, it will become hot. You just stop thinking, it will be cold, all right? You watch Me without thinking. Now what about this lady, just here. Is [it] better? Sahaja Yogini: [To a certain point.] Shri Mataji: Yes, good, good, good, it’s working out. [Ryan/ Lynn] are you all right now? Good, your [wife/ voice] sounds very good? John, you come here. Just come here. Hmm! [Agnya?] [Hindi] Just [starts no doubt. May God bless you.] And put your hand here, left towards Me, right [over here]. May God bless you. How are you? A man: [How are you?] I have a problem with my Agnya, Mother. I see a light. Shri Mataji: Ah! The man: I was sitting over there. I can’t see You clearly. I see a light around You. Ah! Very fuzzy light, I don’t know what’s going on... Shri Mataji: What’s going on? It is drug? What else is there? It happened to so many people, to Pat and all these people. So you see Me as I am. The man: No, I don’t see you in any different form, Mother just a... Shri Mataji : Aura? The man : A circular light. Shri Mataji: Where? The man: Coming, just there. It’s like after You look a candle and You look white, something like that. Mother: Aura or something. All right, now put your [hands] [unclear], left towards Me. I think if you start wearing the dress suit that will be good. They will all run away. Must be some hippie coming around. And those who are wearing suits all the time should wear little hippie dress so that’s [how/ out]. That’s how it is going to solve the problem. I don’t understand. Ha, all right? Sahaja Yogis: Yes. [unclear] Shri Mataji: All right. What was your mantra? Mantra? That horrible? Sahaja Yogi (to somebody): Then Shri Mataji will tell you [unclear] back side [unclear]. Shri Mataji: No, no what was, what did he give you as a mantra? Lady: Aim. Shri Mataji : Aim?.. Ah! Better? A person: Ha. Shri Mataji: Ha! What about him, John? Sahaja Yogi: He’s on the left. Shri Mataji: Left? Weak? Sahaja Yogi: Yeah, that’s a lot. Shri Mataji: Why? Have you been to some Guru? Seeker: Maharishi. Shri Mataji: Ah! Better? Maharishi? Useless fellow. Such a useless man – I was calling him useless, I wish I could call him much more. What is that about? Hello. How are you?
5/17/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6625	Preparation for Becoming, Evening Seminar	England	Alresford	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	83	Seminar in Old Alresford 1980 (England), 17 May 1980. Face yourself for becoming. Then the preparation is done to become something and on the whole, when you know that it is your ego and superego which are loading you up, you have to scan them out with vibratory awareness. Now there are two types of attention we have to pay. First is a constant attention that is a routine of a Sahaja Yogi, and the second one is the emergency attention.I have been saying that all the Sahaja Yogis must start writing their diaries: one with every day’s experiences, if you know that you have to write a diary, you’ll keep your mind alert, and another one whenever you get any special idea of the past or of the future, also to jot it down. So, like that, you should have two diaries. For your constant attention, you have to fix up your mind on certain pegs. The first one, as I said, that if you keep a diary then you will know that you have to remember what important things have happened. So your attention will be alert and you will be looking out for such points, where, what is the thing you see. And you’ll be amazed, if you make your attention alert, what new things come to you – very brilliant ideas. And the miracles of life and the miracles of God’s beauty and His auspiciousness, His greatness, His kindness, His blessings – how they work out if you start writing every day even two lines about it. It will make your mind constantly involved with it. That’s a human style of doing things.Also you can mention in the diary what happened: did you, could you do your meditation? Did you get your time for meditation or not? A little bit as if you are appearing for some sort of a examination or something, you prepare a little note like that: “Did I get up in the morning? Did I?” Then any special path or any special movement in the centre or left or right also should be mentioned so that you keep a watch on your mind. It’s a very good thing to maintain a diary. Also, you will see progressively how your ideas are changing, how new priorities are settling down, how you give more importance to real things and very little to unreal things. I think this is a very, very practical side of human beings that one should have a diary. [The] same diaries, after some times, will become historical things and people would like to see what you all have written. Not to be hypocritical about it or deceptive about it, but quite truthful and understanding. You should jot down few lines just before sleeping. Now we have to see that we have problems for superego and ego. Now superego is the left side, is darkness, tamo guna and our past. Those who have left side problems should think of the future, it gives them balancing if they think of the future. For example, a person who is lethargic should take to working. Put your mind into working for the future planning: what to do, where to go, how to do. That will keep you away from [the] drag of the left side and gradually then you can balance yourself also. Now the right side of a person, when it is activated very much, he has to balance it not with the left side but with the centre. That is, a person who is very hard-working must develop a witness state. You try to do a work, any work, indulge into work in thoughtless awareness, as a witness. Whatever work you are doing you just say that: “I am not doing it.” This you can do it after Realisation. You become thoughtlessly aware and start doing your work.So the compensation of the left side is done by movement to the right, and of the right side [by] movement in the centre. Left side is the tamo guna, right side is the rajo guna, the centre is the sattwo guna. But still these are three gunas. That’s not the state which we have to achieve. About this I’ll tell you tomorrow more, how to go further then.After scanning out which side is weak, you should plan out your style of life. For example, if you are extremely lethargic, you cannot get up in the morning, you feel very sleepy in the night, you do not feel alerted then start planning as to what will you do. How will you get up? Even puja is a good idea, homa (havan) is a good idea. Do something like that, so that you have to do something, what you call the kriya, is the action, get into the action. Some sort of a action you go into in Sahaja Yoga as well as in your daily life [then] you’ll be able to change that mood and come to the right side and then you’ll go to the, your movement should be towards the sattwa guna, is to watch everything. Now at the sattwa guna point where you are in the centre you have to see how much you are misidentified. Say, supposing you are at the first stage of left side, then you will just do daydreaming, “‘Oh! This person is so much identified, that one is so much identified,” as if you are the best. It’s just human nature, you see. “Oh, that person is like that, he is like that, this is very bad in the society, that is going bad in the society. It’s better…” Then we can also go to this limit is to, “That guru is very bad and that one is another madcap.” Like that, you see, all daydreaming going on. How far it is affecting you, how far are you improving by that is not….It’s just, you see, thinking, analysing. It is, it’s a lazy stuff, sitting down and just analysing, it’s a lazy stuff. The second thing could be when you come to the second side of it, is the kriya. Then what happens when you start doing it, then at least your attention is on what you are doing. It’s not allowed to drift into something and which goes into any nonsense and can, I mean, then you don’t know from where the funny thoughts are coming. So, you start doing something. You can go and plant some trees or you can go and plant some flowers or if you want you can do some cooking, you can do some work.Take to work! That will help you. Any work. But while doing the work the problem will be, you’ll develop ego. That’s why when you are developing the ego you have to tell yourself, “You are not doing, mister! This you are not doing, this is not doing, you are not doing.” If you go on suggesting to yourself [like this] Mr. Ego will not come up. And then many things, you see, which normally trouble you and trouble others – like you have cleaned the room, al lright. Then [if] somebody comes and spoils it you get angry with that person. Naturally! Because you think ‘you’ have done. First of all you don’t clean the room. If you clean the room then you be prepared, it will be dirtied, otherwise why should you clean? Now, if it is dirty, well and good; if it is not dirtied, well and good. This type of a attitude you should take to jump on to sattwa guna. On sattwa guna you start accepting it. You become extremely mild. You become a mild personality. Then at that time you do not discuss as to, “Oh, I don’t like it; this was wrong; this should not have been.” All these things do not come to you in sattwa guna. You start seeing it. That time you see it that, “Alright, doesn’t matter. It’s done, it’s done.” On the contrary, you feel hurt if you are a sattwa guni, that by any suggestion you have suggested your ego. Can you get that point? You feel ashamed of your ego, I mean to say, if you are a sattwa guni. For example, even to say that “This is my car,” you will feel shy. That’s a sattwa guni type. Or even to say, “Why did you spoil my carpet?” I mean in India nobody will say, I can tell you this! Is regarded [as] bad manners, absolute bad manners. If anybody comes to your house and the carpet is spoiled they say, “Let it be, doesn’t matter.” Even it is burnt, “I don’t know. Let it be. Are you burnt?” They’ll never say that, “You have burnt my carpet, or done anything to my…” Is regarded [as] bad manners. Like here, you see, if somebody’s sleeping [and] somebody makes the noise. The person who is sleeping will never say that “You are making noise,” He’ll just get up and ask, “Do you need anything?” That’s difficult for people here to understand because ego is just sitting on the head. But is bad manners there. You will find when you’ll go to India you’ll find this. These are bad manners to say that. Or to say, “Oh, I, I feel very comfortable.” I mean, to say “I feel comfortable” is bad manners. I mean, they never say. “I like it.” So what? All these words are not to be said. If you are a sattwa guni then you just don’t say, you will say, “Do you like it? Is it comfortable? Would you like to have this?” The whole attention goes from your side. Do you understand that?That is the style one has to develop. Then you are a sattwa guni. Otherwise, you are still on ego trip. You see, whatever you may think, “I don’t like that, I don’t…” “I”- who are you? First of all ask the question, “Who are you?” If God says, “I don’t like you,” I can understand, with good reasons, but for you to say, “I don’t like it” …After all, how did you come on this earth? How did you get a human birth? How did you get all these things? Now think like that. “Who am I? I am nothing.” Anybody who thinks, “I am something,” he should know that he’s nothing; makes no difference to God whether he exists or does not exist, you see, he’s nothing, he’s just a drop. So, this point if you understand, that even if you do something, any work you do or anything you are doing: you are just doing it because you want to do it. That is how you come on to sattwa guna. But normally it doesn’t happen. It happens the other way round. For example a person is, say, doing something [if] by any chance he feels hurt or he thinks that whatever he has done is no good. People don’t appreciate, or maybe he might think that, “Oh, it’s not up to the point,” or whatever it is, then the reaction for him is not that he does not try to rise to sattwa guna, but he goes back to tamo guna. “Alright, I’ll not do it. I’ll sleep over it. Let them do it, why should I do it?” So the training that you have to have through your rajo guna goes a waste. It’s just a training period that you are with rajo guna. You are doing something. Now in that training period you have to learn only how to come in the centre. For example now, water is required for you to swim. If there is no water you cannot swim. All right? In the same way, rajo guna is required for you to come to sattwa guni. If you do not do any work you cannot come to sattwa guna. So you are just working just to train yourself to be a witness. Now do you follow that point? You are not doing it because you like particular thing, you are used to particular thing, because you want to be this. This is not the way it is. You are just doing it to learn how to be patient. To practice your patience. To see how much patient you are. Once you start doing it, you’ll be amazed that you will never feel the burden of the work. But it never happens. Most of the people, if they find their work is not effective, they’ll go back to tamo guna. There are many attitudes. Say, somebody’s working, then he thinks, “Why should I do all the work? Others are not doing!” He’ll go back to their stage. But those who are not working will not think that, “This person is working, let me also work.” It’s other way round, you see. This can be an attitude of some people that “if this person is working, let him work.” This is even a meaner stuff, [to] avoid, just. You go to a restaurant and somebody takes out the purse, others start looking this side – is very mean, it’s a very mean thing to do. Everybody should come forward and once you have paid, you have paid it, finished.Then you just don’t start counting, “Why did I pay?” Once you try [to do this]. Or any work has to be done, go forward with it, do it with your heart. Don’t worry if others have not done it. Just do it for its pleasure and the pleasure only you will get when you will do it with the understanding that it’s a training period, you are better trained than the other one is. You are at a higher class than the other one is. So we have to be at a higher class. For that this is just a training on. And that’s how we can really put our preparation into practice, into all details to see how we work out our ego and superego. Today, in the morning, I have told you that your intellect must imbibe this within itself, all right? And now I’m telling you that your action, action that you do, must be every time branded by you as just your training – any action you do. Supposing you have to drive for miles together, you are trying your patience. You see they’ll do in everything. Say they have to go for say helicopter, or say if they have to drop from the…what you call them, they drop down?Sahaja Yogis: Parachutes.Shri Mataji: Parachuters! Or helicopter you take away or whatever it is. You go on doing it again and again, isn’t it? You practice it again and again. You drop many-a-times, you break your legs, you break your hands, you do this and do that till you become a master. You understand My point? Driving – same way, till you become a master, you go on. In the same way, you are doing this work just to master your patience. And then your love, is your love – how much you love really. If you really love someone, you are never tired of working. You are never upset with work. But if you don’t love, you start counting, “How much money, how much work, how many hours, how much to be paid?” All artificiality comes because there is no love involved in your work. Whatever you don’t want to do, you don’t do it, to begin with. To begin with you just don’t do what you don’t like – to begin with. But once you have mastered that, then you have to master it that you do something that you don’t like. Like meeting some bhooties, for example. You don’t want to meet, you want to run away, but you go little nearer it, you see. Then develop a immunity for these bhooties. After some time you’ll not catch them. We have to develop the immunity, isn’t it? Otherwise one person comes here and everybody’s head goes out. Instead of the fellow improving, you all go out. So, all these things are, all these events are for your training, your immunity. Your immunity is to be trained and when it is so, when we are training ourselves we should take it as a job. But the attitude should be extremely positive, extremely positive and all that should be expressed in your notebook: whether you got dejected or you got upset and disgusted, you want to run away from it – all sorts of things. It’s just a training to your mind. Whatever is the situation, wherever one has to live, whatever one has to do, we should do. Whatever may be the circumstances, conditions, you’ll be amazed, you will not even know what you have eaten in the morning, what you have eaten in the evening, whether you have eaten or not you will not know. You’ll not fuss about it, you’ll not worry about it, you’ll not think about it. But this being, the aim, is to reach to sattwa guna, every other thing becomes zero. It’s the greatest hurdle comes to Sahaja Yogis I’ve seen, when they start organising. They start organising something. Now somebody wants something, so they’ll run up to get the thing for that person. Now just now I’ve said that you must look after the needs of others, but if I am sitting here and there’s a lecture on then you’d better be just listening to Me. You see, this also is there that: how to have your priorities, at this time when something [is] working on you. This is the first thing you have to do. Not that at this time you go and cook. You have known the story of two sisters attending on Christ. Alright?So at this time, what is your first job is to try to be more exposed to Me so that automatically you’ll go into your sattwa guna. This is the best! But if I am not there and when you are alone or when you are with other Sahaja Yogis you must now compete in rising higher and higher: from tamo guna to rajo guna and from rajo guna to sattwo guna. But actually by Realisation you have gone beyond these three gunas. You have gone beyond it. Actually that is what has happened to you. But, like clouds, they cover you again and again. And when the sky is covered with those clouds, you cannot see the sun, you cannot see the moon, you cannot see the stars. So we have to know how these clouds are coming into us and that’s how we go into our complete analysis. How these clouds are coming to us, you find out about our different chakras. What are the chakras we are catching? Here comes the another constant attention towards our chakras. Are our vibrations alright or not? Are we getting our vibrations? If not, what chakra am I catching, what must be the catch? I must raise my Kundalini, see for myself, where is the catch. Do I do my meditation or not? If I do it, am I doing it just dozingly or am I really in it? Am I really feeling it or not? Am I alert or not?All this is to be assiduously, sincerely, absolutely, truthfully should be worked out. Because it is a process between your self – ‘Atamanyeva Atmana tushta’ [The Spirit is satisfied with Itself]. You see it’s a very funny, it is so funny relationship that it is the Atma is satisfied with Atma! You have to be satisfied with your Self. There’s nobody, Mataji is not concerned, nobody is concerned. It is you who is concerned with your Self. For example, you ask somebody and he says, “I am like this, Mother.” Now think that you are Mother, one personality, another is, say, Mr. Don or Kingsley or someone X. You are two personalities. So when you are telling your Self, means that is Mataji, that, “I am not alright,” then Mataji must come up and say, “What do you mean by this? Why should you say like that? What’s wrong?” When you say that to your self which is outside, then the attention starts moving towards your Self which is Mataji and you start becoming that and you start seeing through your Atma. So your Atma is to be satisfied by your Atma only. There is nothing in between. It is you only in this dual personality has to satisfy your Self. One is in ignorance, one is in knowledge. Now try to identify yourself with that Mataji, call it, or any Xyz whatever you call it, Atma. And just for, just a drama, say. You just think that you are the Self, Spirit. So how will you address your Self? Let’s see. Supposing you have to sit in My seat, yes, take it like that, a position. And then you are sitting in front of Me also, alright? So you are sitting here and sitting there. Take a position like that. Now you put up your Self in a drama and you start addressing your self, “So Bala, how are you?” so Bala says, “Better,”So if you are identified now with Mataji, gradually Bala will diminish, alright? But if you are still identified with Bala, he’ll grow and this [Mataji] will diminish. You have to try to address your self as if you are Mataji. It’s a drama. You sit before the mirror. In the mirror you see this outside of yours and here you are sitting, whatever you are, Mr. Don for example. Now Mr. Don is addressing the other Don there, and let him take up a role that, “I am the Spirit.” He’ll say, “I am the Spirit and I am eternal. I am this. Nobody can destroy me. I am above everything.” That thing will go down. “I am a realised soul. I know what Spirit is. What are you talking?” It will go down. This is how you start moving. But is only possible that first you become a sattwa guni. If you are not a sattwa guni, with ego, “I am this,” then you become a guru and you start minting money! First the ego is to be brought down. If there is still ego, then without becoming Atma you become an ego. So first this journey should be brought in to the centre of sattwa guna. That is why I say that when you are talking or doing anything, you must know that it is your Spirit which is doing it. That’s how you put your Spirit in charge or say at the pedestal – first stage.Then when the Spirit is there, then from this stage to that stage, then you say that, “Now I am the Spirit.” For example, if you have a prime minister and a deputy minister and a minister – three persons, alright? Now, if the prime minister is your Self and the minister has to become the prime minister, so he has to first become deputy minister. After becoming deputy minister he has to become prime minister; but deputy prime minister and then the prime minister. But supposing this fellow starts to jump over this, this will come up and hit him and he’ll say, “I’m the one!” and this one is E-G-O.Do you understand My point? So you cannot surpass it. You have to merge this into this and then this into this. The movement has to be like that. But if you try to just become this, actually you will become this, not this, because you cannot become this. Do you understand My point?So, even when doing this exercise of sitting before a mirror and telling yourself that you are the Spirit, you are the part of Viraat, that you are the Ocean because your drop has fallen into the Ocean. Then you must know that your drop has fallen into the Ocean. That’s why you’ve become an Ocean. If that stage is missing, then you’re saying that you are an Ocean is absolutely bombastic. And that is why one has to be very steady and careful, absolutely steady as far as dealing with oneself. Because you know how this intelligence can cheat you. So be very, very careful and when you are dealing with you, you must know that you have to first overcome this ego. The best thing to overcome ego is to change your language style, is to speak in the third person. Is a very good way. Like you must say, when you are talking about yourself, “This Mataji won’t listen to Me. This Mataji won’t do this,” you see, so what happens, this ‘Mataji’ means the ego part of it, you see. And once you start separating this Mataji away from your self, then that ego Mataji disappears. You understand? Like you can say, “This Bala is like that. He won’t listen.” So whatever the real Bala is left in you is alright. That’s how you get rid of your ego and by understanding your centres, what you are catching, where you are catching, how you are catching; it would be very easy for you to get rid of your problems. Now, see what Sahaja Yogis do. Supposing there are five Sahaja Yogis sitting. I mean you know that I know about everyone, everything. I don’t have to ask, “Where is catching?” Now why do I ask? I show complete ignorance. Because perhaps I never catch also, to be very frank. But if I want to know where I’m catching I can find out but I don’t want to. So what I say, “Alright, Chaya, tell Me where is he catching.” At this time one attitude could be that, “I must tell, otherwise Mataji won’t know.” This is very funny. (Laughter) The second one could be, and the second one could be that, that, “I know where she is catching and, and I must tell, and Mataji also knows but She wants to test me. So I should be careful.” At this point people make mistakes. If I ask them, “Where is it catching?” “I am catching on left heart but very mildly!” Finished then! You, you’ll get less marks. [Laughter] You get less marks. You tell Me whatever you think, because at least you’re honest. Whatever you think. Supposing the fellow is not catching heart but you are feeling the heart. You say, “Heart” That’s being honest. Then I will tell you who is catching the heart. But if you are, “Perhaps yes, Mataji. No, Mataji,” then you get less marks. It’s not a very good answer. “I am not alright, I don’t know,” that’s not a good answer. You have to tell Me who is catching where. Then you pay more attention that you have to pass this test. This is just testing. Why? Because tomorrow you have to give Realisation. You have to become the gurus. You have to know all this. So this is all training period. I’m just training you by asking you to tell Me, but I have seen people even getting ego with this. It’s surprisingly sometimes. That also gives the ego to people that I say, “Alright, you tell Me where is he catching?” “I told correctly!” Finished! You see, it is just a very, very, I can say, razor stage I tell you, where one has to see clearly. So be a simple person like children are. They just come. This one, that one, finished. Then they’ll go and sit down, “Now I’m tired , I’m sitting down!” They are not bothered that they should … they must say something or something show off, nothing. Whatever they see, they say. But only grownups will say that, “Maybe I’m catching, maybe it is his. I don’t know.” All this is done by grownup people because still the sensitivity is alright but they are not sure of themselves. Children are very sure. They are cocksure of everything. You ask them anything, they’ll tell you, “Yes, this is this, this is this.” But you ask anyone, “What is the colour of this thing?” They’ll say, “Maybe green, maybe red.” [Laughter.] Like we had one old gentleman, not very old, as old as Myself – but he was to come to My house. And he telephoned to Me. He said, “I want to come to Your house so how should I come?” I said, “This place is Oxted, you can come there but if you don’t get a taxi then it’s very difficult, better come to Hurst Green.”He said, “Where?”I said, “Hurst Green.”So, he said, “Hurse Blue?” How he is saying blue to green, I don’t know.I said, “No, it’s Hurst Green.”He said, “What did you say?”I said, “Hurst Green.”So, he couldn’t understand. “What is the second one?”I said, “What is the colour of the leaves?” He said, “Blue.” [Laughter]So, I said it to Gregoire, I said, “Now listen to him, what is he saying? Colour of the leaves is blue?”So, Gregoire lifted the phone he said, “All right, you come to Hurst Blue.” [Laughter]So, he said, “Now at least…”I said, “What are you telling?”He said, “At least, now he won’t come up”. That botheration is gone.” Such a confused personality, thinking blue and green. You are fighting. That’s what it is. The attention drifts. So, try to see that if you are confused, there is confusion, clear it out by clearing out your chakras. Now every chakra, let’s have a little testing of it alright, let’s see? One by one. So who are going to answer the questions? Let’s see. Simple questions. Not ‘Mastermind’ (a British TV competition of 1970s and 80s). Very simple questions. Now, say your Hamsa Chakra is catching, what should we do? Who will answer the question? Hamsa Chakra is catching, what should we do? Let’s see, one by one.Sahaja Yogi: Hamsa, Hamsa.Shri Mataji: That’s the name of the chakra.Sahaja Yogi: Someone said to me that you say Hamsa.Shri Mataji: No…you see this is the Hamsa Chakra so you have to say that, “Twameva sakshat, Hamsa Chakra Swamini sakshat, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi namoh, namah.”See, opened now. Now say it, all of you, because just now you are catching. Now put your finger like this and now say it. (Everyone says the mantra). Say it again. Say it thrice. [Everyone repeats twice more] See? Better. Now, what happens in this centre that both the Nadis, Ha and Tha, Ida and Pingala, they come and meet and they cross over. So, for the right Nadi, right side, this one, the left Nadi flows and from the right side, the one which comes from the right side flows into left side. These two centres meet here, I mean two Nadis meet here actually, below the Agnya, it’s below the Agnya at Hamsa, you see, and the problems come to you either from the right or from the left. Most of you catch on Hamsa here, because of cold or whatever it is. Now, I have told you many things by which you control your cold. But if it is due to the left side, left side catching is there, then for left side Hamsa what should you do? Tell Me.Sahaja Yogi: Keep your eyes on the ground, on the green.Shri Mataji: That’s one of them, but another thing, I mean as far as mantra is concerned what mantra will you say…Sahaja Yogi: Ekadasha Rudra.Shri Mataji: No that’s much higher, that’s even above the Agnya.Sahaja Yogi: Mahakali.Shri Mataji: Mahakali, correct. But you can say Ida, Ida Nadi. Now see just now I have told you that it is the Ida Nadi which comes from the left and goes to the right side. So, you have to say Mahakali or Ida Nadi, Ida Nadi Swamini. Now say it. Just now you are catching on the left.[Sahaja Yogis take mantra of ‘Ida Nadi Swamini’.]Shri Mataji: Again.[Everyone says the mantra.]Shri Mataji: Again.Now, then another thing, that supposing your right side is catching, or you have a liver problem, then what should be used – light, sun’s rays or water?Sahaja Yogi: Water.Shri Mataji: See, right side is heat, is Surya Nadi. So you have problem of Surya Nadi – right side. So to neutralize it you have to use something else. So then that time what you have to say, is to – you can say, you can take the name of Chandra, you’ll cool down. If there is heat on the right hand side, you should take the name of Chandra.If it is the left side catching, then you have to take the name of Surya. For example you are possessed, then go and sit in the Sun – all the bhoots will run away. They run away from Sun. But supposing you are an egoistical person then go and sit in the moonlight. May be you’ll be little lunatic. (Laughter) It comes from the word ‘luna’, you see? But if you are a crying type and all the time over-romantic [it’s] better not look at the moon and better see the sun. See the compensations. This is absolutely understanding that many people, if they have liver they put in this [fire]. What can the fire do now? There’s already fire here. Adding fire to the fire again, you see? But, also, what one can do is to take out this fire and give it to this one.Now, how do you do that? Sahaja Yogi: Lemon?Shri Mataji: No, no. to fire. Supposing I want to treat My liver with fire. How do I do it?Sahaja Yogi: You put your finger actually to the flame so that it burns off.Shri Mataji: No.Sahaja Yogi: It'll take too much a week! [Laughter]Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s correct but something takes some times about it.Think it over then, think it over, take it over. You see, you have to take out your heat and give it to these lights. How do you do it? Think it over.I’ll tell you simple thing is: this left hand is minus, this [right hand] is plus, you can take like that, alright? So whatever you do with left hand you suck in. Whatever you do with right hand, say, for example, you give out. Alright? So now if you want to now give out, what you do is to put left hand on you here and right hand outside. So this is cooling it here actually and the heat is going there. But if you do the other way round, you are sucking heat.Sahaja Yogi : HumShri Mataji: But from the left hand side you do it like that. Just electrons, alright, then?Now if you burn here is a good idea, very good idea for Left Nabhi. So the Left Nabhi gets heated up.This side needs heat. This side needs cooling. This is the basics.If something wrong with this side (right) you have to give it the cool. If something wrong this side, you have to give it the heat. Some people get too much cool vibrations. They’ll perspire and cool, means left is finished. Now what should they do as far as fire is concerned? Let’s see.Sahaj Yogini: [inaudible] right hand hereShri Mataji: He perspires. Right hand on the heart, left hand here. If anyone perspires, it means his heart is weak. So put right hand here at the time on the heart. The heat comes in. Are you following the electronics, no, the electrical?Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Shri Mataji.Shri Mataji: So the basics if you know that the left side is the cool side, the right side is the hot side. And about the hand, this is the minus side, this is the plus side. Even you can do like this and you are balancing yourself. Just like in India we do, especially if you see a great bhootish [person] then you’ll do like this, fully. You see?So, these two sides are: one is the hot side, one is a cold side, while the Sattwa Guna is the meeting point, is lukewarm. The Sattwa Guna gives you the temperature that you have. Alright? And these two give you either very cold or very hot. So we come back to now sinus again. It is which side problem?Sahaja Yogis: Left hand side.Shri Mataji: Correct! Left side, because there are three things now in our bodies. One is…what do you say to that? Bulgam. Another is the bile and the third one is the gas or Vayu. All right? So the left side is the Kapha. All these colds and things are due to left side. And the right side is the bile. The fat is created from bulgam, which doctors do not know. Do you know that? When fat is heated up by the right hand side, then it dissolves and the gas movement is in the centre. When these five types of gases which are within us, when they all combine together and get enlightened by the Spirit, you get the Cool Breeze coming out.So the centre path is the prana. When it gets absolutely heated up then diseases like tuberculosis, all these things can come in. And when it gets heated up on the left hand side you get tuberculosis and all these things due to too much heat. When it gets heated too much, then it comes to the right hand side and you get diseases like liver and all these heatening things on the right hand side. So though the left hand side is cold, if it is heated up then also diseases are caused. Now we have to go into details sometimes to find out what, basically, are our diseases within our body. We should know what is our disease. Sometimes even if you have ordinary cold, it is a disease, according to Sahaja Yoga. You should be a normal person. Supposing you are suffering from, say, the terrible disease, the greatest nuisance and the blessing of London and England put together – is cold. Call it hay fever, day fever, or anything! So, it is due to what? It is due to basically within us less resistance, no immunity. Less resistance come to us because of lack of calcium within us. Those people who have taken proper care in childhood, taken vitamin A and D and good massage, say with cod liver oil or olive oil and things like that, and proper sunning of the body is done, such people suffer less from cold. Specially the Vishuddhi Chakra problem it is.Now those people who have not been careful about their Vishuddhi Chakra get the disease settled within themselves, but when this disease is settled, what happens actually? What is the reason, as we said that it is the left hand side problem. Cold is a left hand side problem. That means cold has something to do with your emotional side. That means there’s something also wrong emotionally with you. So, it indicates that you have some emotional problem. According to Sahaj Yog, to overcome cold one should see into this emotional life of oneself. What are you doing about your emotions? For example as soon as you’re affected by emotions, you will start crying or sneezing. [Laughter]This is a fact. If these are girls, they’ll start crying. If they are men, they’ll start coughing or sneezing. They’ll cough for nothing at all. You see [Shri Mataji coughs] they will go.[Laughter]Isn’t it a fact? Unnecessarily they’ll be doing like this.Is an emotional thing, to attract the attention maybe or whatever it is. To say that how pitiable they are, you see, is a thing by which we show our pitiable condition. You see, is a thing, we reduce ourselves to a position by which we try to, you see, excite the pity in other person. So, this cold is due to our emotional problem. Now so we should see what is our emotional problem. We should find out how much ‘Romeos’ we are [Shri burst into laughs]. And how much delight of life we miss by that. Once you start understanding that you are your own Romeo and you are your own Juliet – most of you will get rid of your colds. Take it from Me.It is some sort of an emotional problem. Could be with your father. A person who is very attached to his father. ‘Attached’ is the word best is, gets also attached to cold. Attached to mother is even worse. If somebody is very attached to her mother, you see, then all reasoning fails and then the mother misbehaves or does something and the child feels very hurt, the child cries, he gets the cold. Any such attachment which makes you foolish should be given up, to get rid of your cold, I mean to say. Whatever makes you stupid, foolish or hankering after someone, creates troubles like colds. ‘Romeos’ specially. Then very beloved children, beloved fathers, beloved mothers, you see, the ones for them their daughter is important, their son is important. Some people just don’t love their children and if some love they’ll dump them onto everybody else. So, these two types of it. You must know that you are just a trustee of your child and as far as your ‘Romeo-ness’ is concerned, you are just to see drama of your Romeo, that’s all. Then this detachment will take place and a simple disease like cold which looks so horrible, incurable, can be cured. As long as you people have cold, without having any romantic feelings Myself, I also get it. So I request you to rise above these things and become more sensible, and your attitude should be of enhancing mutual understanding, mutual love, and not romantic feelings. But worse than that is dry feelings, on the right hand side you know. Then if you have a dry throat you cannot even speak. Suddenly you find -finished- [laughs] you just can’t speak because you are dried. So the other side is where some people try some psychological tricks with their wives or husbands – like “I will not speak”. This I’m telling you just an emotional side of life. “I’ll not talk to her. I’ll not speak. I’ll behave like this.” Dryness. That also kills the delight. The one is overdoing of it and one is not doing of it. You see, either you’ll take sugar which is one ton in one glass, or you will not take sugar at all. Not more, not less, you see, to have the optimum delight of tea. In the same way, in life also, you should not take too much of something and too little of another thing. Now somebody who’s married now, for that person, Indian women specially, husband becomes last one, then everything else is zero. Then such women are useless. Or men that I’ve seen here, they are just mad on their women. For them also, life is useless. So, take a balanced attitude of the whole thing is that. It is in you is the person who is loving your wife, who is also within you. You are your wife, you are your husband. Now the wife who is your wife outside, if she just does not tally with the wife that you have within your mind, that should not upset you, because that wife is always with you. Once this understanding develops, you see your partnership -[Shr Mataji aside: by the way I found your letter]- the partnership of husband and wife could be absolutely perfect.Now with the children as I said -Hello, by what train did you come?Sahaja Yogi: The late one. [Laughter]Shri Mataji: Real late one this one was! What about your food?Sahaja Yogi: We both had some.Shri Mataji: Really? Where?Sahaja Yogi: In Winchester.Shri Mataji: Though you were telling something else. Where? I mean if you are telling the truth you’ll tell the same thing.Sahaja Yogi: We had some chicken from the Fish & chip shop.Shri Mataji: All right. There is some food if you want, please have. Go, have something, you see it's very late. Let them have, come along, let them have. You know? Who knows? Good idea. Please Let them have. Very nice you both could come. We were just missing you all. Yes, very good, very cool and nice (vibrations), Let me see when have you food, both of you. Now it's very good. May God bless you. So you go and have your food. Go and then come in. Now, why make it so light: for you to understand that marriage is not a serious problem. [laughter] As long as you have your ideal with yourself and you don’t try to impose that on your wife, or the wife does not try to impose that on your husband.Let the wife be a wife and husband be a husband. But the wife should not become the husband and the husband should not become wife. If that happens, then I don’t know how to correct it, because that’s something absurd if that happens. Now, on that the main thing one has to know is that you are married to have children, not to be Romeo and Juliet anymore. You better have your children. And then the children that will be born to Sahaja Yogis are going to be realized souls, tremendous source of energy. That’s why you are married, that’s why you are going to have children. Then look after your children with respect, regard. Don’t spoil them! And develop [them] in that love of Sahaja Yoga. Now this started with our Hamsa Chakra. Now see the Hamsa Chakra is the left and the right. The left is the woman, the right is the man. They meet at Hamsa. So this is the wedding place of your left and right. If there is no balance between the two, there is a problem. They have to be equal. But they are not similar. Left is left. Right is right. So the right must be on the right hand side, left must be on the left hand side and here when they come, they marry, and this is the point one must know that, whatever is the function of a wife is, she should do that first whatever is the function of the husband is, he should do that first. And then the secondary functions of life can be shared and understood. But it’s not possible that the wife goes to work and husband starts producing children. You cannot do it! [Laughter] And the other way round. So whatever is the work is so important. To be a mother, I think, is the most important. Today if you didn’t have a mother, which father would have done this work, you tell Me. Which one? Can you think of anyone? There may be ‘Father in Heaven’, but Father on this Earth working with all Sahaja Yogis, let Me see which one is there. Anyone of these fathers, you call them. Nicely to sit down on Heaven and watch the whole stuff. But who’s going to do the work? Washing the dirty linen and washing all the napkins and things is done by Mother. She does this with love and attention and with care, and She is the one who knows how to grow Her children. Is the job of a mother. So Mother’s job Mother can do. Father can sit in the Heaven very nicely. All thanks goes to the Father. While the Mother is doing a thankless job here! Alright, doesn’t matter. It is so, so should be accepted, whatever may be the situation, whatever may be the position.Now at Hamsa Chakra, this understanding must come that you must balance both the nadis, the left and the right. Now to balance the left and the right, the best way is to do some breathing, is to take the air through one nostril and keep it waiting here for a while and then allow it to go out of the other. Then you breathe in with this one, allow it to stay here for a while and then allow it to go down. But it is to be done very slowly. Not in a hurry, not too much. Only thrice (3 times). Best thing as I’ve told you is neti. If not that, another thing I have seen that those inhalers, you see that you get, are very good. The neti thing that I’ve given you. If you fill the water below the spout and fill it, put in some two, three drops of one of those things that you get for inhaling and put that neti thing in one nose only, and with another nose it goes up. Then you come, bring it here, it goes up and clears it out. It’s a very good thing. If you do it every night before sleeping, in three, four days you’ll be absolutely cleared out.But the main thing is: it comes because of imbalances in our temperaments. Like a man is a man, woman is a woman, alright, so the woman starts dominating a man or a man starts dominating the woman. The balance is broken. Once you understand the woman is very important – without the woman you cannot, could not have been here. Alright? Without a woman you cannot be here. Man is very important that woman has no meaning without a man. You see, Shakti has no meaning without God. For whom is She working? For whom is She doing all this? For God to be pleased. If there’s nobody to see the job, why should She do it?So both have great meaning. And if you understand that both beings within us are balanced, understood, respected in their proper ways and shared and coordinated, the personalities in proper understanding, respect and love, your Hamsa will be alright. You’ll feel better.So you have to correct your ideas about marriage, about women, about men, about yourself. That’s very important because it is a very big emotional thing and, as the left side is weak, all people who have left side weak get cold. And all the things that has to do with your – they call it bulgam, is it? What’s it called?Sahaja Yogis: Phlegm.Shri Mataji: Phlegm. Phlegm. Phlegm. It has to do with your phlegm.So emotional side is to be properly nourished and looked after and one has to know that your dignity is the most important. Anything indignified is not love. Love is very dignified. And if you keep your dignity, you’ll be amazed how you will be able to solve certain problems. Now, again I’ll ask you a question. Now, how many have answered the questions? Most of them you answered very well. Now one more question I will ask. Very simple, not so difficult. That: what is a difference between a baddha and a bhoot? How will you make out? A hindrance and a bhoot. Sahaja Yogi: Bhoots will move around.Shri Mataji: And baddha?Sahaja Yogi: Stays there. Just describing, it’s a block at that point.Shri Mataji: Though it’s correct, [what] you said is correct, but it is not absolutely precise. It is like this, I tell you. It’s correct. I mean what he says is the correct answer but it’s not so precise. Baddha will also move. I’ll tell you how. Baddha is always on the centres or on your organs, say. If it is, say, in your, for example in the liver, this baddha may come in the centre and then it will start moving from your here to here as the Kundalini will move. Alright? But baddha doesn’t have its arbitrary movement. As you move the Kundalini, the baddha moves. ‘Baddha’ means the hindrance. Alright?But a bhoot is arbitrary. It moves. It will be one moment here, it will be one moment there. It will move this side, it will move that side. It will go to the right heart, then it will come to the left heart. If it is arbitrary behaviour, that means it is not controlled by your movement of your fingers through the Kundalini awakening then you must know it is a bhoot. Alright? Now understand what I’m saying by decisive thing, that, one thing is arbitrary, works on its own, and the another is in your control. You’re taking it out yourself.Like you can say that if there’s some lump in the body, it may start moving with the, say, bloodstream or something, some force acting upon it. But by itself, it does not. But if there’s a worm, living worm, it will move by itself. So the last question is then, how do you manage the baddha and the bhoot? How will you take out the bhoot of other people without getting yourself into it? Otherwise the person whose bhoot has to be taken out will put three bhoots in you and five in the others. (laughing) I have seen many a times they’ll come and tell Me, “Mother, he’s possessed.” Alright. And they themselves are! (laughter) How do you take out? Come along.Sahaja Yogini: Bandhan Sahaja Yogi: You can throw the bhoot into a candleShri Mataji: What? Bandhan? No!Sahaja Yogi:You can throw the bhoot into a candle.Shri Mataji: I mean, I’m saying a real one. He’s not even afraid of candle.Sahaja Yogini 2: Say the mantra to Mukti DayiniSahaja Yogini 3: The Lord’s PrayerShri Mataji: There’s no general thing about it. All right? All answers are correct but they are not complete. There are ways and method according to different bhoots…[aside in Marathi with a Sahaja Yogini] … They are trying to solve the problems but [she] said it’s rather difficult!Now, first of all, you see a person who is possessed. I mean you are sure he is possessed, so you do like this, you see. [Laughter]. Take a form, you have to take a form because you have to fight it. You take an aggressive form.Sahaja Yogi: Karate, Tony’s Karate [Tony Cooly].Shri Mataji: Karate, yes. Something like that. So then, I mean inside you become higher than that person. Otherwise if you go like (laughter from yogis). After some time (more laughter). So you go with a great force on that person. You put a bandhan and say, “Now sit down.” Talk to him like this. You don’t go and say, “Please sit down,” because the thing will come and sit in you. Just say, “Now sit down.” Alright. There you have to say as if you are not compromising on this. No compromises. Then you ask the person various questions, after giving yourself a bandhan and do that to verify what sort of a bhoot it could be. That’s the best. First of all you ask that person, “Have you been to any guru?” So now you know at least sixteen of them. And you know how to take them out, also. So you find out which bhoot he has been to. If it is a guru, you just ask the person does he still believe in that guru. If so, you have nothing to do with that person. You have no business. You say, “I’m sorry, sir” …. Not sorry. You say, “Please go away.” If you say “sorry” it will come inside. Any inviting word you should not use. Just say, “Alright, finished!” you get out from that one. But in case he says, “I am possessed. I know I am in trouble, I’ve got this thing” and all that, then you tell that person that “What is the name of your guru? What is the mantra you got? How many years you have been?”Like that, you ask the question. If he is truthful and if he tells you that, then you exactly know where the mantra is, what has happened to him. If it is a guru, then it has to be in the Void. If it is in the Void you tell him to say the mantra of Adi Guru, or ask the question, “Mother, are You the real…[guru]?” on the photograph. Keep the photograph in front of your face like a mask if possible. Don’t allow you yourself to be exposed but give the photograph to the man. You say, “Now ask the question to this photograph.”Now if the person asks the question, the Kundalini will start coming here doing “gragaral gagal.” He’ll also see the thing there, you see, bubbling up. Then you should say that, after asking the question, “Now you say that, ‘You are the guru’!” If the person is possessed by a guru, then if you know the name of the guru, then you know the mantra. When he’s doing all these things, you go on saying “Narakasura Mardini” or “Mahishasura Mardini” or anything like that, whatever you have to do. Or “Sarva-asura Mardini” For guru this thing, best thing is salt, vibrated salt. You give some vibrated salt with water to that person to drink. It’s not easy to get rid of the guru, so you tell him very firmly that he’s one of the horrible ones we have ever known, so you have to work very hard to get rid of it. You give him salt, give him all that, let him do it. And do not hurry up. Tell him it is going to take time, it will be alright, and what troubles people had with this, and [that] he’ll have to work hard. This is one type of bhoots you will find. Then you find these are guru bhoots and which takes time, which are very difficult and they can take you up, it can be very dangerous. But say, somebody becomes blind with a bhoot. His eyes are open and he’s blind. That’s sure shot [that] he is blind because of a bhoot. Two types of blindness are possible. The Left Swadishthana will be catching and you will see it is due to bhoot. But it can be also Left Swadishthana catching and becoming blind could be with diabetes. Could be the combination of both. So you ask him if he has diabetes or not. If the person has no diabetes, then definitely it is the bhoot.Now what do you do to take out that kind of a bhoot?Sahaja Yogi: You use a candle enlightened.Shri Mataji: Not only candle, won’t work. You take My hand. Photograph, only hand. You have photographs of My hand, and put a candle before that photograph. All these photographs that you have separately have meanings. Put the candle and behind that is the hand and ask the person to see the light, if he can see the light. Gradually, you’ll be amazed he will start seeing. This is to be used.You see, in Sahaja Yoga, one has also to be precise just like the English words [laws?]. If you are precise, it comes out. If you are not precise then you try this, you try that, it won’t work out. But if you have a photograph of My hands you should ask the person to see the photograph of the hand. By seeing the light, gradually the person will start seeing the hand, and then gradually the person will become alright.I’ve seen one person getting the eyes within ten minutes time. But in that, if the Left Swadishthana is catching, if the person has no diabetes and eyes are open, then it is definitely a bhoot, nothing else. Even if some people might say, “She lost her eyes because of, this girl lost her eyes because there was a fire in the house.” But she got frightened and the bhoots sat in here and she became blind. They are connected both things. Actually eyes cannot remain open if the eyes are burned out. So if the eyes are open and absolutely normal to look at and the person cannot see, the light is out, that means there’s a bhoot. So these things can be very easily done. Sahaja Yogini [in Hindi]: How do you do it?Shri Mataji: Photograph like this, and the light in front. It will improve your eyesight also. My hands should be used, very good for the eyes. My hands are extremely good for your eyes. If you can see My hands with the light, very good for your eyes. Shri Mataji: Now what are good My feet for? Shri Mataji: Ha? Shri Mataji: Feet photograph, what it is good for? Sahaja Yogi: Agnya.Shri Mataji: Very good for ego. And also superego. Is very good for people who suffer from ego or superego, My feet. Because, such people are very gross. And the feet solve the problem. So just use My feet.If they see My Face, the ego will start working, “This face is like that, it should be like that – this, that.” Superego might give problems. Even supraconscious will give you problems. But feet, even if you are supraconscious, they’ll correct your problems. Feet are not only powerful but they go up to the grossest point where you are. Any type of person. Say, a drunkard and all the bad things which are, a criminal, some sort of a man, you just use My Feet, You’ll be alright. Face won’t work for him.Face is for the seekers. But for all such people who are absolutely incorrigible types, feet is the best. Those who have extreme ego, those who have extreme superego – extreme. Feet are very important. You also sometimes watch My feet. That’s a very good way, exercise. Just watch My Feet to get rid of your grossness. Just watch with your eyes. How are you going to watch through your Sahasrara? (laughter) But also with Sahasrara you can see. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, do You think if we used Your feet in the photo in the newspaper advertising we’d get more people?Shri Mataji: Will be better idea.Sahaja Yogi: We’ll try that.Shri Mataji: But you see I don’t know. (laughter) Try. Very good idea. You see on My books and all that we have tried. On so many things I have tried, put My feet. Indians understand it. Sahaja Yogi: Do you think they’d understand in the US?Sahaja Yogi: Well, you don’t have to say Your name in the same thing.Shri Mataji: Just put My feet.Sahaja Yogi: Will just let it work through. We’ll put Sahaja Yoga, we won’t say anything about Whose feet they are.Shri Mataji: Try. It is very good. They’re tremendous. See all the lights reacting.You see?[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi.] [Some yogis start rubbing Shri Mataji’s feet.]Putting on the feet. Come bring it here. I would like to give him there, alright, give him there so he can do it better.[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi.]Mmm. See the face. Now give chance to others also.May God bless you.Come along.	null	null	null	Seminar in Old Alresford 1980 (England), 17 May 1980. Face yourself for becoming. Then the preparation is done to become something and on the whole, when you know that it is your ego and superego which are loading you up, you have to scan them out with vibratory awareness. Now there are two types of attention we have to pay. First is a constant attention that is a routine of a Sahaja Yogi, and the second one is the emergency attention.I have been saying that all the Sahaja Yogis must start writing their diaries: one with every day’s experiences, if you know that you have to write a diary, you’ll keep your mind alert, and another one whenever you get any special idea of the past or of the future, also to jot it down. So, like that, you should have two diaries. For your constant attention, you have to fix up your mind on certain pegs. The first one, as I said, that if you keep a diary then you will know that you have to remember what important things have happened. So your attention will be alert and you will be looking out for such points, where, what is the thing you see. And you’ll be amazed, if you make your attention alert, what new things come to you – very brilliant ideas. And the miracles of life and the miracles of God’s beauty and His auspiciousness, His greatness, His kindness, His blessings – how they work out if you start writing every day even two lines about it. It will make your mind constantly involved with it. That’s a human style of doing things.Also you can mention in the diary what happened: did you, could you do your meditation? Did you get your time for meditation or not? A little bit as if you are appearing for some sort of a examination or something, you prepare a little note like that: “Did I get up in the morning? Did I?” Then any special path or any special movement in the centre or left or right also should be mentioned so that you keep a watch on your mind. It’s a very good thing to maintain a diary. Also, you will see progressively how your ideas are changing, how new priorities are settling down, how you give more importance to real things and very little to unreal things. I think this is a very, very practical side of human beings that one should have a diary. [The] same diaries, after some times, will become historical things and people would like to see what you all have written. Not to be hypocritical about it or deceptive about it, but quite truthful and understanding. You should jot down few lines just before sleeping. Now we have to see that we have problems for superego and ego. Now superego is the left side, is darkness, tamo guna and our past. Those who have left side problems should think of the future, it gives them balancing if they think of the future. For example, a person who is lethargic should take to working. Put your mind into working for the future planning: what to do, where to go, how to do. That will keep you away from [the] drag of the left side and gradually then you can balance yourself also. Now the right side of a person, when it is activated very much, he has to balance it not with the left side but with the centre. That is, a person who is very hard-working must develop a witness state. You try to do a work, any work, indulge into work in thoughtless awareness, as a witness. Whatever work you are doing you just say that: “I am not doing it.” This you can do it after Realisation. You become thoughtlessly aware and start doing your work.So the compensation of the left side is done by movement to the right, and of the right side [by] movement in the centre. Left side is the tamo guna, right side is the rajo guna, the centre is the sattwo guna. But still these are three gunas. That’s not the state which we have to achieve. About this I’ll tell you tomorrow more, how to go further then.After scanning out which side is weak, you should plan out your style of life. For example, if you are extremely lethargic, you cannot get up in the morning, you feel very sleepy in the night, you do not feel alerted then start planning as to what will you do. How will you get up? Even puja is a good idea, homa (havan) is a good idea. Do something like that, so that you have to do something, what you call the kriya, is the action, get into the action. Some sort of a action you go into in Sahaja Yoga as well as in your daily life [then] you’ll be able to change that mood and come to the right side and then you’ll go to the, your movement should be towards the sattwa guna, is to watch everything. Now at the sattwa guna point where you are in the centre you have to see how much you are misidentified. Say, supposing you are at the first stage of left side, then you will just do daydreaming, “‘Oh! This person is so much identified, that one is so much identified,” as if you are the best. It’s just human nature, you see. “Oh, that person is like that, he is like that, this is very bad in the society, that is going bad in the society. It’s better…” Then we can also go to this limit is to, “That guru is very bad and that one is another madcap.” Like that, you see, all daydreaming going on. How far it is affecting you, how far are you improving by that is not….It’s just, you see, thinking, analysing. It is, it’s a lazy stuff, sitting down and just analysing, it’s a lazy stuff. The second thing could be when you come to the second side of it, is the kriya. Then what happens when you start doing it, then at least your attention is on what you are doing. It’s not allowed to drift into something and which goes into any nonsense and can, I mean, then you don’t know from where the funny thoughts are coming. So, you start doing something. You can go and plant some trees or you can go and plant some flowers or if you want you can do some cooking, you can do some work.Take to work! That will help you. Any work. But while doing the work the problem will be, you’ll develop ego. That’s why when you are developing the ego you have to tell yourself, “You are not doing, mister! This you are not doing, this is not doing, you are not doing.” If you go on suggesting to yourself [like this] Mr. Ego will not come up. And then many things, you see, which normally trouble you and trouble others – like you have cleaned the room, al lright. Then [if] somebody comes and spoils it you get angry with that person. Naturally! Because you think ‘you’ have done. First of all you don’t clean the room. If you clean the room then you be prepared, it will be dirtied, otherwise why should you clean? Now, if it is dirty, well and good; if it is not dirtied, well and good. This type of a attitude you should take to jump on to sattwa guna. On sattwa guna you start accepting it. You become extremely mild. You become a mild personality. Then at that time you do not discuss as to, “Oh, I don’t like it; this was wrong; this should not have been.” All these things do not come to you in sattwa guna. You start seeing it. That time you see it that, “Alright, doesn’t matter. It’s done, it’s done.” On the contrary, you feel hurt if you are a sattwa guni, that by any suggestion you have suggested your ego. Can you get that point? You feel ashamed of your ego, I mean to say, if you are a sattwa guni. For example, even to say that “This is my car,” you will feel shy. That’s a sattwa guni type. Or even to say, “Why did you spoil my carpet?” I mean in India nobody will say, I can tell you this! Is regarded [as] bad manners, absolute bad manners. If anybody comes to your house and the carpet is spoiled they say, “Let it be, doesn’t matter.” Even it is burnt, “I don’t know. Let it be. Are you burnt?” They’ll never say that, “You have burnt my carpet, or done anything to my…” Is regarded [as] bad manners. Like here, you see, if somebody’s sleeping [and] somebody makes the noise. The person who is sleeping will never say that “You are making noise,” He’ll just get up and ask, “Do you need anything?” That’s difficult for people here to understand because ego is just sitting on the head. But is bad manners there. You will find when you’ll go to India you’ll find this. These are bad manners to say that. Or to say, “Oh, I, I feel very comfortable.” I mean, to say “I feel comfortable” is bad manners. I mean, they never say. “I like it.” So what? All these words are not to be said. If you are a sattwa guni then you just don’t say, you will say, “Do you like it? Is it comfortable? Would you like to have this?” The whole attention goes from your side. Do you understand that?That is the style one has to develop. Then you are a sattwa guni. Otherwise, you are still on ego trip. You see, whatever you may think, “I don’t like that, I don’t…” “I”- who are you? First of all ask the question, “Who are you?” If God says, “I don’t like you,” I can understand, with good reasons, but for you to say, “I don’t like it” …After all, how did you come on this earth? How did you get a human birth? How did you get all these things? Now think like that. “Who am I? I am nothing.” Anybody who thinks, “I am something,” he should know that he’s nothing; makes no difference to God whether he exists or does not exist, you see, he’s nothing, he’s just a drop. So, this point if you understand, that even if you do something, any work you do or anything you are doing: you are just doing it because you want to do it. That is how you come on to sattwa guna. But normally it doesn’t happen. It happens the other way round. For example a person is, say, doing something [if] by any chance he feels hurt or he thinks that whatever he has done is no good. People don’t appreciate, or maybe he might think that, “Oh, it’s not up to the point,” or whatever it is, then the reaction for him is not that he does not try to rise to sattwa guna, but he goes back to tamo guna. “Alright, I’ll not do it. I’ll sleep over it. Let them do it, why should I do it?” So the training that you have to have through your rajo guna goes a waste. It’s just a training period that you are with rajo guna. You are doing something. Now in that training period you have to learn only how to come in the centre. For example now, water is required for you to swim. If there is no water you cannot swim. All right? In the same way, rajo guna is required for you to come to sattwa guni. If you do not do any work you cannot come to sattwa guna. So you are just working just to train yourself to be a witness. Now do you follow that point? You are not doing it because you like particular thing, you are used to particular thing, because you want to be this. This is not the way it is. You are just doing it to learn how to be patient. To practice your patience. To see how much patient you are. Once you start doing it, you’ll be amazed that you will never feel the burden of the work. But it never happens. Most of the people, if they find their work is not effective, they’ll go back to tamo guna. There are many attitudes. Say, somebody’s working, then he thinks, “Why should I do all the work? Others are not doing!” He’ll go back to their stage. But those who are not working will not think that, “This person is working, let me also work.” It’s other way round, you see. This can be an attitude of some people that “if this person is working, let him work.” This is even a meaner stuff, [to] avoid, just. You go to a restaurant and somebody takes out the purse, others start looking this side – is very mean, it’s a very mean thing to do. Everybody should come forward and once you have paid, you have paid it, finished.Then you just don’t start counting, “Why did I pay?” Once you try [to do this]. Or any work has to be done, go forward with it, do it with your heart. Don’t worry if others have not done it. Just do it for its pleasure and the pleasure only you will get when you will do it with the understanding that it’s a training period, you are better trained than the other one is. You are at a higher class than the other one is. So we have to be at a higher class. For that this is just a training on. And that’s how we can really put our preparation into practice, into all details to see how we work out our ego and superego. Today, in the morning, I have told you that your intellect must imbibe this within itself, all right? And now I’m telling you that your action, action that you do, must be every time branded by you as just your training – any action you do. Supposing you have to drive for miles together, you are trying your patience. You see they’ll do in everything. Say they have to go for say helicopter, or say if they have to drop from the…what you call them, they drop down?Sahaja Yogis: Parachutes.Shri Mataji: Parachuters! Or helicopter you take away or whatever it is. You go on doing it again and again, isn’t it? You practice it again and again. You drop many-a-times, you break your legs, you break your hands, you do this and do that till you become a master. You understand My point? Driving – same way, till you become a master, you go on. In the same way, you are doing this work just to master your patience. And then your love, is your love – how much you love really. If you really love someone, you are never tired of working. You are never upset with work. But if you don’t love, you start counting, “How much money, how much work, how many hours, how much to be paid?” All artificiality comes because there is no love involved in your work. Whatever you don’t want to do, you don’t do it, to begin with. To begin with you just don’t do what you don’t like – to begin with. But once you have mastered that, then you have to master it that you do something that you don’t like. Like meeting some bhooties, for example. You don’t want to meet, you want to run away, but you go little nearer it, you see. Then develop a immunity for these bhooties. After some time you’ll not catch them. We have to develop the immunity, isn’t it? Otherwise one person comes here and everybody’s head goes out. Instead of the fellow improving, you all go out. So, all these things are, all these events are for your training, your immunity. Your immunity is to be trained and when it is so, when we are training ourselves we should take it as a job. But the attitude should be extremely positive, extremely positive and all that should be expressed in your notebook: whether you got dejected or you got upset and disgusted, you want to run away from it – all sorts of things. It’s just a training to your mind. Whatever is the situation, wherever one has to live, whatever one has to do, we should do. Whatever may be the circumstances, conditions, you’ll be amazed, you will not even know what you have eaten in the morning, what you have eaten in the evening, whether you have eaten or not you will not know. You’ll not fuss about it, you’ll not worry about it, you’ll not think about it. But this being, the aim, is to reach to sattwa guna, every other thing becomes zero. It’s the greatest hurdle comes to Sahaja Yogis I’ve seen, when they start organising. They start organising something. Now somebody wants something, so they’ll run up to get the thing for that person. Now just now I’ve said that you must look after the needs of others, but if I am sitting here and there’s a lecture on then you’d better be just listening to Me. You see, this also is there that: how to have your priorities, at this time when something [is] working on you. This is the first thing you have to do. Not that at this time you go and cook. You have known the story of two sisters attending on Christ. Alright?So at this time, what is your first job is to try to be more exposed to Me so that automatically you’ll go into your sattwa guna. This is the best! But if I am not there and when you are alone or when you are with other Sahaja Yogis you must now compete in rising higher and higher: from tamo guna to rajo guna and from rajo guna to sattwo guna. But actually by Realisation you have gone beyond these three gunas. You have gone beyond it. Actually that is what has happened to you. But, like clouds, they cover you again and again. And when the sky is covered with those clouds, you cannot see the sun, you cannot see the moon, you cannot see the stars. So we have to know how these clouds are coming into us and that’s how we go into our complete analysis. How these clouds are coming to us, you find out about our different chakras. What are the chakras we are catching? Here comes the another constant attention towards our chakras. Are our vibrations alright or not? Are we getting our vibrations? If not, what chakra am I catching, what must be the catch? I must raise my Kundalini, see for myself, where is the catch. Do I do my meditation or not? If I do it, am I doing it just dozingly or am I really in it? Am I really feeling it or not? Am I alert or not?All this is to be assiduously, sincerely, absolutely, truthfully should be worked out. Because it is a process between your self – ‘Atamanyeva Atmana tushta’ [The Spirit is satisfied with Itself]. You see it’s a very funny, it is so funny relationship that it is the Atma is satisfied with Atma! You have to be satisfied with your Self. There’s nobody, Mataji is not concerned, nobody is concerned. It is you who is concerned with your Self. For example, you ask somebody and he says, “I am like this, Mother.” Now think that you are Mother, one personality, another is, say, Mr. Don or Kingsley or someone X. You are two personalities. So when you are telling your Self, means that is Mataji, that, “I am not alright,” then Mataji must come up and say, “What do you mean by this? Why should you say like that? What’s wrong?” When you say that to your self which is outside, then the attention starts moving towards your Self which is Mataji and you start becoming that and you start seeing through your Atma. So your Atma is to be satisfied by your Atma only. There is nothing in between. It is you only in this dual personality has to satisfy your Self. One is in ignorance, one is in knowledge. Now try to identify yourself with that Mataji, call it, or any Xyz whatever you call it, Atma. And just for, just a drama, say. You just think that you are the Self, Spirit. So how will you address your Self? Let’s see. Supposing you have to sit in My seat, yes, take it like that, a position. And then you are sitting in front of Me also, alright? So you are sitting here and sitting there. Take a position like that. Now you put up your Self in a drama and you start addressing your self, “So Bala, how are you?” so Bala says, “Better,”So if you are identified now with Mataji, gradually Bala will diminish, alright? But if you are still identified with Bala, he’ll grow and this [Mataji] will diminish. You have to try to address your self as if you are Mataji. It’s a drama. You sit before the mirror. In the mirror you see this outside of yours and here you are sitting, whatever you are, Mr. Don for example. Now Mr. Don is addressing the other Don there, and let him take up a role that, “I am the Spirit.” He’ll say, “I am the Spirit and I am eternal. I am this. Nobody can destroy me. I am above everything.” That thing will go down. “I am a realised soul. I know what Spirit is. What are you talking?” It will go down. This is how you start moving. But is only possible that first you become a sattwa guni. If you are not a sattwa guni, with ego, “I am this,” then you become a guru and you start minting money! First the ego is to be brought down. If there is still ego, then without becoming Atma you become an ego. So first this journey should be brought in to the centre of sattwa guna. That is why I say that when you are talking or doing anything, you must know that it is your Spirit which is doing it. That’s how you put your Spirit in charge or say at the pedestal – first stage.Then when the Spirit is there, then from this stage to that stage, then you say that, “Now I am the Spirit.” For example, if you have a prime minister and a deputy minister and a minister – three persons, alright? Now, if the prime minister is your Self and the minister has to become the prime minister, so he has to first become deputy minister. After becoming deputy minister he has to become prime minister; but deputy prime minister and then the prime minister. But supposing this fellow starts to jump over this, this will come up and hit him and he’ll say, “I’m the one!” and this one is E-G-O.Do you understand My point? So you cannot surpass it. You have to merge this into this and then this into this. The movement has to be like that. But if you try to just become this, actually you will become this, not this, because you cannot become this. Do you understand My point?So, even when doing this exercise of sitting before a mirror and telling yourself that you are the Spirit, you are the part of Viraat, that you are the Ocean because your drop has fallen into the Ocean. Then you must know that your drop has fallen into the Ocean. That’s why you’ve become an Ocean. If that stage is missing, then you’re saying that you are an Ocean is absolutely bombastic. And that is why one has to be very steady and careful, absolutely steady as far as dealing with oneself. Because you know how this intelligence can cheat you. So be very, very careful and when you are dealing with you, you must know that you have to first overcome this ego. The best thing to overcome ego is to change your language style, is to speak in the third person. Is a very good way. Like you must say, when you are talking about yourself, “This Mataji won’t listen to Me. This Mataji won’t do this,” you see, so what happens, this ‘Mataji’ means the ego part of it, you see. And once you start separating this Mataji away from your self, then that ego Mataji disappears. You understand? Like you can say, “This Bala is like that. He won’t listen.” So whatever the real Bala is left in you is alright. That’s how you get rid of your ego and by understanding your centres, what you are catching, where you are catching, how you are catching; it would be very easy for you to get rid of your problems. Now, see what Sahaja Yogis do. Supposing there are five Sahaja Yogis sitting. I mean you know that I know about everyone, everything. I don’t have to ask, “Where is catching?” Now why do I ask? I show complete ignorance. Because perhaps I never catch also, to be very frank. But if I want to know where I’m catching I can find out but I don’t want to. So what I say, “Alright, Chaya, tell Me where is he catching.” At this time one attitude could be that, “I must tell, otherwise Mataji won’t know.” This is very funny. (Laughter) The second one could be, and the second one could be that, that, “I know where she is catching and, and I must tell, and Mataji also knows but She wants to test me. So I should be careful.” At this point people make mistakes. If I ask them, “Where is it catching?” “I am catching on left heart but very mildly!” Finished then! You, you’ll get less marks. [Laughter] You get less marks. You tell Me whatever you think, because at least you’re honest. Whatever you think. Supposing the fellow is not catching heart but you are feeling the heart. You say, “Heart” That’s being honest. Then I will tell you who is catching the heart. But if you are, “Perhaps yes, Mataji. No, Mataji,” then you get less marks. It’s not a very good answer. “I am not alright, I don’t know,” that’s not a good answer. You have to tell Me who is catching where. Then you pay more attention that you have to pass this test. This is just testing. Why? Because tomorrow you have to give Realisation. You have to become the gurus. You have to know all this. So this is all training period. I’m just training you by asking you to tell Me, but I have seen people even getting ego with this. It’s surprisingly sometimes. That also gives the ego to people that I say, “Alright, you tell Me where is he catching?” “I told correctly!” Finished! You see, it is just a very, very, I can say, razor stage I tell you, where one has to see clearly. So be a simple person like children are. They just come. This one, that one, finished. Then they’ll go and sit down, “Now I’m tired , I’m sitting down!” They are not bothered that they should … they must say something or something show off, nothing. Whatever they see, they say. But only grownups will say that, “Maybe I’m catching, maybe it is his. I don’t know.” All this is done by grownup people because still the sensitivity is alright but they are not sure of themselves. Children are very sure. They are cocksure of everything. You ask them anything, they’ll tell you, “Yes, this is this, this is this.” But you ask anyone, “What is the colour of this thing?” They’ll say, “Maybe green, maybe red.” [Laughter.] Like we had one old gentleman, not very old, as old as Myself – but he was to come to My house. And he telephoned to Me. He said, “I want to come to Your house so how should I come?” I said, “This place is Oxted, you can come there but if you don’t get a taxi then it’s very difficult, better come to Hurst Green.”He said, “Where?”I said, “Hurst Green.”So, he said, “Hurse Blue?” How he is saying blue to green, I don’t know.I said, “No, it’s Hurst Green.”He said, “What did you say?”I said, “Hurst Green.”So, he couldn’t understand. “What is the second one?”I said, “What is the colour of the leaves?” He said, “Blue.” [Laughter]So, I said it to Gregoire, I said, “Now listen to him, what is he saying? Colour of the leaves is blue?”So, Gregoire lifted the phone he said, “All right, you come to Hurst Blue.” [Laughter]So, he said, “Now at least…”I said, “What are you telling?”He said, “At least, now he won’t come up”. That botheration is gone.” Such a confused personality, thinking blue and green. You are fighting. That’s what it is. The attention drifts. So, try to see that if you are confused, there is confusion, clear it out by clearing out your chakras. Now every chakra, let’s have a little testing of it alright, let’s see? One by one. So who are going to answer the questions? Let’s see. Simple questions. Not ‘Mastermind’ (a British TV competition of 1970s and 80s). Very simple questions. Now, say your Hamsa Chakra is catching, what should we do? Who will answer the question? Hamsa Chakra is catching, what should we do? Let’s see, one by one.Sahaja Yogi: Hamsa, Hamsa.Shri Mataji: That’s the name of the chakra.Sahaja Yogi: Someone said to me that you say Hamsa.Shri Mataji: No…you see this is the Hamsa Chakra so you have to say that, “Twameva sakshat, Hamsa Chakra Swamini sakshat, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi namoh, namah.”See, opened now. Now say it, all of you, because just now you are catching. Now put your finger like this and now say it. (Everyone says the mantra). Say it again. Say it thrice. [Everyone repeats twice more] See? Better. Now, what happens in this centre that both the Nadis, Ha and Tha, Ida and Pingala, they come and meet and they cross over. So, for the right Nadi, right side, this one, the left Nadi flows and from the right side, the one which comes from the right side flows into left side. These two centres meet here, I mean two Nadis meet here actually, below the Agnya, it’s below the Agnya at Hamsa, you see, and the problems come to you either from the right or from the left. Most of you catch on Hamsa here, because of cold or whatever it is. Now, I have told you many things by which you control your cold. But if it is due to the left side, left side catching is there, then for left side Hamsa what should you do? Tell Me.Sahaja Yogi: Keep your eyes on the ground, on the green.Shri Mataji: That’s one of them, but another thing, I mean as far as mantra is concerned what mantra will you say…Sahaja Yogi: Ekadasha Rudra.Shri Mataji: No that’s much higher, that’s even above the Agnya.Sahaja Yogi: Mahakali.Shri Mataji: Mahakali, correct. But you can say Ida, Ida Nadi. Now see just now I have told you that it is the Ida Nadi which comes from the left and goes to the right side. So, you have to say Mahakali or Ida Nadi, Ida Nadi Swamini. Now say it. Just now you are catching on the left.[Sahaja Yogis take mantra of ‘Ida Nadi Swamini’.]Shri Mataji: Again.[Everyone says the mantra.]Shri Mataji: Again.Now, then another thing, that supposing your right side is catching, or you have a liver problem, then what should be used – light, sun’s rays or water?Sahaja Yogi: Water.Shri Mataji: See, right side is heat, is Surya Nadi. So you have problem of Surya Nadi – right side. So to neutralize it you have to use something else. So then that time what you have to say, is to – you can say, you can take the name of Chandra, you’ll cool down. If there is heat on the right hand side, you should take the name of Chandra.If it is the left side catching, then you have to take the name of Surya. For example you are possessed, then go and sit in the Sun – all the bhoots will run away. They run away from Sun. But supposing you are an egoistical person then go and sit in the moonlight. May be you’ll be little lunatic. (Laughter) It comes from the word ‘luna’, you see? But if you are a crying type and all the time over-romantic [it’s] better not look at the moon and better see the sun. See the compensations. This is absolutely understanding that many people, if they have liver they put in this [fire]. What can the fire do now? There’s already fire here. Adding fire to the fire again, you see? But, also, what one can do is to take out this fire and give it to this one.Now, how do you do that? Sahaja Yogi: Lemon?Shri Mataji: No, no. to fire. Supposing I want to treat My liver with fire. How do I do it?Sahaja Yogi: You put your finger actually to the flame so that it burns off.Shri Mataji: No.Sahaja Yogi: It'll take too much a week! [Laughter]Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s correct but something takes some times about it.Think it over then, think it over, take it over. You see, you have to take out your heat and give it to these lights. How do you do it? Think it over.I’ll tell you simple thing is: this left hand is minus, this [right hand] is plus, you can take like that, alright? So whatever you do with left hand you suck in. Whatever you do with right hand, say, for example, you give out. Alright? So now if you want to now give out, what you do is to put left hand on you here and right hand outside. So this is cooling it here actually and the heat is going there. But if you do the other way round, you are sucking heat.Sahaja Yogi : HumShri Mataji: But from the left hand side you do it like that. Just electrons, alright, then?Now if you burn here is a good idea, very good idea for Left Nabhi. So the Left Nabhi gets heated up.This side needs heat. This side needs cooling. This is the basics.If something wrong with this side (right) you have to give it the cool. If something wrong this side, you have to give it the heat. Some people get too much cool vibrations. They’ll perspire and cool, means left is finished. Now what should they do as far as fire is concerned? Let’s see.Sahaj Yogini: [inaudible] right hand hereShri Mataji: He perspires. Right hand on the heart, left hand here. If anyone perspires, it means his heart is weak. So put right hand here at the time on the heart. The heat comes in. Are you following the electronics, no, the electrical?Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Shri Mataji.Shri Mataji: So the basics if you know that the left side is the cool side, the right side is the hot side. And about the hand, this is the minus side, this is the plus side. Even you can do like this and you are balancing yourself. Just like in India we do, especially if you see a great bhootish [person] then you’ll do like this, fully. You see?So, these two sides are: one is the hot side, one is a cold side, while the Sattwa Guna is the meeting point, is lukewarm. The Sattwa Guna gives you the temperature that you have. Alright? And these two give you either very cold or very hot. So we come back to now sinus again. It is which side problem?Sahaja Yogis: Left hand side.Shri Mataji: Correct! Left side, because there are three things now in our bodies. One is…what do you say to that? Bulgam. Another is the bile and the third one is the gas or Vayu. All right? So the left side is the Kapha. All these colds and things are due to left side. And the right side is the bile. The fat is created from bulgam, which doctors do not know. Do you know that? When fat is heated up by the right hand side, then it dissolves and the gas movement is in the centre. When these five types of gases which are within us, when they all combine together and get enlightened by the Spirit, you get the Cool Breeze coming out.So the centre path is the prana. When it gets absolutely heated up then diseases like tuberculosis, all these things can come in. And when it gets heated up on the left hand side you get tuberculosis and all these things due to too much heat. When it gets heated too much, then it comes to the right hand side and you get diseases like liver and all these heatening things on the right hand side. So though the left hand side is cold, if it is heated up then also diseases are caused. Now we have to go into details sometimes to find out what, basically, are our diseases within our body. We should know what is our disease. Sometimes even if you have ordinary cold, it is a disease, according to Sahaja Yoga. You should be a normal person. Supposing you are suffering from, say, the terrible disease, the greatest nuisance and the blessing of London and England put together – is cold. Call it hay fever, day fever, or anything! So, it is due to what? It is due to basically within us less resistance, no immunity. Less resistance come to us because of lack of calcium within us. Those people who have taken proper care in childhood, taken vitamin A and D and good massage, say with cod liver oil or olive oil and things like that, and proper sunning of the body is done, such people suffer less from cold. Specially the Vishuddhi Chakra problem it is.Now those people who have not been careful about their Vishuddhi Chakra get the disease settled within themselves, but when this disease is settled, what happens actually? What is the reason, as we said that it is the left hand side problem. Cold is a left hand side problem. That means cold has something to do with your emotional side. That means there’s something also wrong emotionally with you. So, it indicates that you have some emotional problem. According to Sahaj Yog, to overcome cold one should see into this emotional life of oneself. What are you doing about your emotions? For example as soon as you’re affected by emotions, you will start crying or sneezing. [Laughter]This is a fact. If these are girls, they’ll start crying. If they are men, they’ll start coughing or sneezing. They’ll cough for nothing at all. You see [Shri Mataji coughs] they will go.[Laughter]Isn’t it a fact? Unnecessarily they’ll be doing like this.Is an emotional thing, to attract the attention maybe or whatever it is. To say that how pitiable they are, you see, is a thing by which we show our pitiable condition. You see, is a thing, we reduce ourselves to a position by which we try to, you see, excite the pity in other person. So, this cold is due to our emotional problem. Now so we should see what is our emotional problem. We should find out how much ‘Romeos’ we are [Shri burst into laughs]. And how much delight of life we miss by that. Once you start understanding that you are your own Romeo and you are your own Juliet – most of you will get rid of your colds. Take it from Me.It is some sort of an emotional problem. Could be with your father. A person who is very attached to his father. ‘Attached’ is the word best is, gets also attached to cold. Attached to mother is even worse. If somebody is very attached to her mother, you see, then all reasoning fails and then the mother misbehaves or does something and the child feels very hurt, the child cries, he gets the cold. Any such attachment which makes you foolish should be given up, to get rid of your cold, I mean to say. Whatever makes you stupid, foolish or hankering after someone, creates troubles like colds. ‘Romeos’ specially. Then very beloved children, beloved fathers, beloved mothers, you see, the ones for them their daughter is important, their son is important. Some people just don’t love their children and if some love they’ll dump them onto everybody else. So, these two types of it. You must know that you are just a trustee of your child and as far as your ‘Romeo-ness’ is concerned, you are just to see drama of your Romeo, that’s all. Then this detachment will take place and a simple disease like cold which looks so horrible, incurable, can be cured. As long as you people have cold, without having any romantic feelings Myself, I also get it. So I request you to rise above these things and become more sensible, and your attitude should be of enhancing mutual understanding, mutual love, and not romantic feelings. But worse than that is dry feelings, on the right hand side you know. Then if you have a dry throat you cannot even speak. Suddenly you find -finished- [laughs] you just can’t speak because you are dried. So the other side is where some people try some psychological tricks with their wives or husbands – like “I will not speak”. This I’m telling you just an emotional side of life. “I’ll not talk to her. I’ll not speak. I’ll behave like this.” Dryness. That also kills the delight. The one is overdoing of it and one is not doing of it. You see, either you’ll take sugar which is one ton in one glass, or you will not take sugar at all. Not more, not less, you see, to have the optimum delight of tea. In the same way, in life also, you should not take too much of something and too little of another thing. Now somebody who’s married now, for that person, Indian women specially, husband becomes last one, then everything else is zero. Then such women are useless. Or men that I’ve seen here, they are just mad on their women. For them also, life is useless. So, take a balanced attitude of the whole thing is that. It is in you is the person who is loving your wife, who is also within you. You are your wife, you are your husband. Now the wife who is your wife outside, if she just does not tally with the wife that you have within your mind, that should not upset you, because that wife is always with you. Once this understanding develops, you see your partnership -[Shr Mataji aside: by the way I found your letter]- the partnership of husband and wife could be absolutely perfect.Now with the children as I said -Hello, by what train did you come?Sahaja Yogi: The late one. [Laughter]Shri Mataji: Real late one this one was! What about your food?Sahaja Yogi: We both had some.Shri Mataji: Really? Where?Sahaja Yogi: In Winchester.Shri Mataji: Though you were telling something else. Where? I mean if you are telling the truth you’ll tell the same thing.Sahaja Yogi: We had some chicken from the Fish & chip shop.Shri Mataji: All right. There is some food if you want, please have. Go, have something, you see it's very late. Let them have, come along, let them have. You know? Who knows? Good idea. Please Let them have. Very nice you both could come. We were just missing you all. Yes, very good, very cool and nice (vibrations), Let me see when have you food, both of you. Now it's very good. May God bless you. So you go and have your food. Go and then come in. Now, why make it so light: for you to understand that marriage is not a serious problem. [laughter] As long as you have your ideal with yourself and you don’t try to impose that on your wife, or the wife does not try to impose that on your husband.Let the wife be a wife and husband be a husband. But the wife should not become the husband and the husband should not become wife. If that happens, then I don’t know how to correct it, because that’s something absurd if that happens. Now, on that the main thing one has to know is that you are married to have children, not to be Romeo and Juliet anymore. You better have your children. And then the children that will be born to Sahaja Yogis are going to be realized souls, tremendous source of energy. That’s why you are married, that’s why you are going to have children. Then look after your children with respect, regard. Don’t spoil them! And develop [them] in that love of Sahaja Yoga. Now this started with our Hamsa Chakra. Now see the Hamsa Chakra is the left and the right. The left is the woman, the right is the man. They meet at Hamsa. So this is the wedding place of your left and right. If there is no balance between the two, there is a problem. They have to be equal. But they are not similar. Left is left. Right is right. So the right must be on the right hand side, left must be on the left hand side and here when they come, they marry, and this is the point one must know that, whatever is the function of a wife is, she should do that first whatever is the function of the husband is, he should do that first. And then the secondary functions of life can be shared and understood. But it’s not possible that the wife goes to work and husband starts producing children. You cannot do it! [Laughter] And the other way round. So whatever is the work is so important. To be a mother, I think, is the most important. Today if you didn’t have a mother, which father would have done this work, you tell Me. Which one? Can you think of anyone? There may be ‘Father in Heaven’, but Father on this Earth working with all Sahaja Yogis, let Me see which one is there. Anyone of these fathers, you call them. Nicely to sit down on Heaven and watch the whole stuff. But who’s going to do the work? Washing the dirty linen and washing all the napkins and things is done by Mother. She does this with love and attention and with care, and She is the one who knows how to grow Her children. Is the job of a mother. So Mother’s job Mother can do. Father can sit in the Heaven very nicely. All thanks goes to the Father. While the Mother is doing a thankless job here! Alright, doesn’t matter. It is so, so should be accepted, whatever may be the situation, whatever may be the position.Now at Hamsa Chakra, this understanding must come that you must balance both the nadis, the left and the right. Now to balance the left and the right, the best way is to do some breathing, is to take the air through one nostril and keep it waiting here for a while and then allow it to go out of the other. Then you breathe in with this one, allow it to stay here for a while and then allow it to go down. But it is to be done very slowly. Not in a hurry, not too much. Only thrice (3 times). Best thing as I’ve told you is neti. If not that, another thing I have seen that those inhalers, you see that you get, are very good. The neti thing that I’ve given you. If you fill the water below the spout and fill it, put in some two, three drops of one of those things that you get for inhaling and put that neti thing in one nose only, and with another nose it goes up. Then you come, bring it here, it goes up and clears it out. It’s a very good thing. If you do it every night before sleeping, in three, four days you’ll be absolutely cleared out.But the main thing is: it comes because of imbalances in our temperaments. Like a man is a man, woman is a woman, alright, so the woman starts dominating a man or a man starts dominating the woman. The balance is broken. Once you understand the woman is very important – without the woman you cannot, could not have been here. Alright? Without a woman you cannot be here. Man is very important that woman has no meaning without a man. You see, Shakti has no meaning without God. For whom is She working? For whom is She doing all this? For God to be pleased. If there’s nobody to see the job, why should She do it?So both have great meaning. And if you understand that both beings within us are balanced, understood, respected in their proper ways and shared and coordinated, the personalities in proper understanding, respect and love, your Hamsa will be alright. You’ll feel better.So you have to correct your ideas about marriage, about women, about men, about yourself. That’s very important because it is a very big emotional thing and, as the left side is weak, all people who have left side weak get cold. And all the things that has to do with your – they call it bulgam, is it? What’s it called?Sahaja Yogis: Phlegm.Shri Mataji: Phlegm. Phlegm. Phlegm. It has to do with your phlegm.So emotional side is to be properly nourished and looked after and one has to know that your dignity is the most important. Anything indignified is not love. Love is very dignified. And if you keep your dignity, you’ll be amazed how you will be able to solve certain problems. Now, again I’ll ask you a question. Now, how many have answered the questions? Most of them you answered very well. Now one more question I will ask. Very simple, not so difficult. That: what is a difference between a baddha and a bhoot? How will you make out? A hindrance and a bhoot. Sahaja Yogi: Bhoots will move around.Shri Mataji: And baddha?Sahaja Yogi: Stays there. Just describing, it’s a block at that point.Shri Mataji: Though it’s correct, [what] you said is correct, but it is not absolutely precise. It is like this, I tell you. It’s correct. I mean what he says is the correct answer but it’s not so precise. Baddha will also move. I’ll tell you how. Baddha is always on the centres or on your organs, say. If it is, say, in your, for example in the liver, this baddha may come in the centre and then it will start moving from your here to here as the Kundalini will move. Alright? But baddha doesn’t have its arbitrary movement. As you move the Kundalini, the baddha moves. ‘Baddha’ means the hindrance. Alright?But a bhoot is arbitrary. It moves. It will be one moment here, it will be one moment there. It will move this side, it will move that side. It will go to the right heart, then it will come to the left heart. If it is arbitrary behaviour, that means it is not controlled by your movement of your fingers through the Kundalini awakening then you must know it is a bhoot. Alright? Now understand what I’m saying by decisive thing, that, one thing is arbitrary, works on its own, and the another is in your control. You’re taking it out yourself.Like you can say that if there’s some lump in the body, it may start moving with the, say, bloodstream or something, some force acting upon it. But by itself, it does not. But if there’s a worm, living worm, it will move by itself. So the last question is then, how do you manage the baddha and the bhoot? How will you take out the bhoot of other people without getting yourself into it? Otherwise the person whose bhoot has to be taken out will put three bhoots in you and five in the others. (laughing) I have seen many a times they’ll come and tell Me, “Mother, he’s possessed.” Alright. And they themselves are! (laughter) How do you take out? Come along.Sahaja Yogini: Bandhan Sahaja Yogi: You can throw the bhoot into a candleShri Mataji: What? Bandhan? No!Sahaja Yogi:You can throw the bhoot into a candle.Shri Mataji: I mean, I’m saying a real one. He’s not even afraid of candle.Sahaja Yogini 2: Say the mantra to Mukti DayiniSahaja Yogini 3: The Lord’s PrayerShri Mataji: There’s no general thing about it. All right? All answers are correct but they are not complete. There are ways and method according to different bhoots…[aside in Marathi with a Sahaja Yogini] … They are trying to solve the problems but [she] said it’s rather difficult!Now, first of all, you see a person who is possessed. I mean you are sure he is possessed, so you do like this, you see. [Laughter]. Take a form, you have to take a form because you have to fight it. You take an aggressive form.Sahaja Yogi: Karate, Tony’s Karate [Tony Cooly].Shri Mataji: Karate, yes. Something like that. So then, I mean inside you become higher than that person. Otherwise if you go like (laughter from yogis). After some time (more laughter). So you go with a great force on that person. You put a bandhan and say, “Now sit down.” Talk to him like this. You don’t go and say, “Please sit down,” because the thing will come and sit in you. Just say, “Now sit down.” Alright. There you have to say as if you are not compromising on this. No compromises. Then you ask the person various questions, after giving yourself a bandhan and do that to verify what sort of a bhoot it could be. That’s the best. First of all you ask that person, “Have you been to any guru?” So now you know at least sixteen of them. And you know how to take them out, also. So you find out which bhoot he has been to. If it is a guru, you just ask the person does he still believe in that guru. If so, you have nothing to do with that person. You have no business. You say, “I’m sorry, sir” …. Not sorry. You say, “Please go away.” If you say “sorry” it will come inside. Any inviting word you should not use. Just say, “Alright, finished!” you get out from that one. But in case he says, “I am possessed. I know I am in trouble, I’ve got this thing” and all that, then you tell that person that “What is the name of your guru? What is the mantra you got? How many years you have been?”Like that, you ask the question. If he is truthful and if he tells you that, then you exactly know where the mantra is, what has happened to him. If it is a guru, then it has to be in the Void. If it is in the Void you tell him to say the mantra of Adi Guru, or ask the question, “Mother, are You the real…[guru]?” on the photograph. Keep the photograph in front of your face like a mask if possible. Don’t allow you yourself to be exposed but give the photograph to the man. You say, “Now ask the question to this photograph.”Now if the person asks the question, the Kundalini will start coming here doing “gragaral gagal.” He’ll also see the thing there, you see, bubbling up. Then you should say that, after asking the question, “Now you say that, ‘You are the guru’!” If the person is possessed by a guru, then if you know the name of the guru, then you know the mantra. When he’s doing all these things, you go on saying “Narakasura Mardini” or “Mahishasura Mardini” or anything like that, whatever you have to do. Or “Sarva-asura Mardini” For guru this thing, best thing is salt, vibrated salt. You give some vibrated salt with water to that person to drink. It’s not easy to get rid of the guru, so you tell him very firmly that he’s one of the horrible ones we have ever known, so you have to work very hard to get rid of it. You give him salt, give him all that, let him do it. And do not hurry up. Tell him it is going to take time, it will be alright, and what troubles people had with this, and [that] he’ll have to work hard. This is one type of bhoots you will find. Then you find these are guru bhoots and which takes time, which are very difficult and they can take you up, it can be very dangerous. But say, somebody becomes blind with a bhoot. His eyes are open and he’s blind. That’s sure shot [that] he is blind because of a bhoot. Two types of blindness are possible. The Left Swadishthana will be catching and you will see it is due to bhoot. But it can be also Left Swadishthana catching and becoming blind could be with diabetes. Could be the combination of both. So you ask him if he has diabetes or not. If the person has no diabetes, then definitely it is the bhoot.Now what do you do to take out that kind of a bhoot?Sahaja Yogi: You use a candle enlightened.Shri Mataji: Not only candle, won’t work. You take My hand. Photograph, only hand. You have photographs of My hand, and put a candle before that photograph. All these photographs that you have separately have meanings. Put the candle and behind that is the hand and ask the person to see the light, if he can see the light. Gradually, you’ll be amazed he will start seeing. This is to be used.You see, in Sahaja Yoga, one has also to be precise just like the English words [laws?]. If you are precise, it comes out. If you are not precise then you try this, you try that, it won’t work out. But if you have a photograph of My hands you should ask the person to see the photograph of the hand. By seeing the light, gradually the person will start seeing the hand, and then gradually the person will become alright.I’ve seen one person getting the eyes within ten minutes time. But in that, if the Left Swadishthana is catching, if the person has no diabetes and eyes are open, then it is definitely a bhoot, nothing else. Even if some people might say, “She lost her eyes because of, this girl lost her eyes because there was a fire in the house.” But she got frightened and the bhoots sat in here and she became blind. They are connected both things. Actually eyes cannot remain open if the eyes are burned out. So if the eyes are open and absolutely normal to look at and the person cannot see, the light is out, that means there’s a bhoot. So these things can be very easily done. Sahaja Yogini [in Hindi]: How do you do it?Shri Mataji: Photograph like this, and the light in front. It will improve your eyesight also. My hands should be used, very good for the eyes. My hands are extremely good for your eyes. If you can see My hands with the light, very good for your eyes. Shri Mataji: Now what are good My feet for? Shri Mataji: Ha? Shri Mataji: Feet photograph, what it is good for? Sahaja Yogi: Agnya.Shri Mataji: Very good for ego. And also superego. Is very good for people who suffer from ego or superego, My feet. Because, such people are very gross. And the feet solve the problem. So just use My feet.If they see My Face, the ego will start working, “This face is like that, it should be like that – this, that.” Superego might give problems. Even supraconscious will give you problems. But feet, even if you are supraconscious, they’ll correct your problems. Feet are not only powerful but they go up to the grossest point where you are. Any type of person. Say, a drunkard and all the bad things which are, a criminal, some sort of a man, you just use My Feet, You’ll be alright. Face won’t work for him.Face is for the seekers. But for all such people who are absolutely incorrigible types, feet is the best. Those who have extreme ego, those who have extreme superego – extreme. Feet are very important. You also sometimes watch My feet. That’s a very good way, exercise. Just watch My Feet to get rid of your grossness. Just watch with your eyes. How are you going to watch through your Sahasrara? (laughter) But also with Sahasrara you can see. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, do You think if we used Your feet in the photo in the newspaper advertising we’d get more people?Shri Mataji: Will be better idea.Sahaja Yogi: We’ll try that.Shri Mataji: But you see I don’t know. (laughter) Try. Very good idea. You see on My books and all that we have tried. On so many things I have tried, put My feet. Indians understand it. Sahaja Yogi: Do you think they’d understand in the US?Sahaja Yogi: Well, you don’t have to say Your name in the same thing.Shri Mataji: Just put My feet.Sahaja Yogi: Will just let it work through. We’ll put Sahaja Yoga, we won’t say anything about Whose feet they are.Shri Mataji: Try. It is very good. They’re tremendous. See all the lights reacting.You see?[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi.] [Some yogis start rubbing Shri Mataji’s feet.]Putting on the feet. Come bring it here. I would like to give him there, alright, give him there so he can do it better.[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi.]Mmm. See the face. Now give chance to others also.May God bless you.Come along.
5/17/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6626	What is a Sahaja Yogi, Morning Seminar	England	Alresford	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	52	What is a Sahaja Yogi, Morning of Seminar, Old Alresford (England), 17 May 1980. We must know that Sahaja Yoga is a living process. It is the same type of a process by which a seed sprouts into a tree. It is a living process. So it is God’s job. I mean He has to do it. It is not your job. To sprout the seed is His job. But the problem comes in because, at this stage where human being is the seed, he has freedom, they have freedom. With that freedom they can spoil His manifestation, His working. So the first thing one has to remember that we must have wisdom about it. The first point of wisdom is that it is God Almighty who is going to do this job. We are not doing it. You cannot sprout the seed, then how can you sprout your seed also? And in that wisdom we must learn one thing and know, within ourselves, that you are part and parcel of the whole process. Though you have your own freedom, freedom also is a part and parcel of the same process. You are not separated from God. You do not have any separated entity. You are part and parcel of that whole process. Alright? So to think that you have to decide something about it is also wrong. You are in the same machinery, brought to this stage when you are given freedom for your further evolution. So at this stage, when you have your freedom, you must know that freedom wants to be given to you to understand the value of freedom. And in that freedom, you must understand what is glorious for you. Once you understand that, then you tell yourself that, “Now, see: I have to become something more. That’s why God has done this, only thing I have to do is to completely coordinate, cooperate and surrender to His will, so that I become.” This is the first preparation we have to make. In that surrendering, you will do the greatest thing because by that you do not interfere with His work. Unless and until you surrender you cannot have the wisdom. So first of all you understand this, through your little wisdom that you have, and then you’ll have the full wisdom. First of all, understand this with the little wisdom that you have, that, without surrendering you will be obstructing the ways of God. He knows what is good for you. He wants to give you the highest which you cannot achieve yourself. He’s going to give you the highest. If you want to achieve it, you cannot achieve it. It is His doing. It is His daan (दान), as you call it, His gift to you. In that case you must know that [the] best way to achieve it is to allow His working to work out. Now when you think of surrendering, first of all the brain wave starts working. “What do I surrender?” You think by surrendering, say, your material wealth. That’s not what He wants. It’s all wealth He has given to you. What is He going to do [with that]? It’s [not] equal to even a dust particle of His feet. So that one is not going to help. Sometimes you may feel that, “I should give my intelligence,” or that is what is asked. Nobody wants to have your idiots and stupid people! So you don’t give up your intelligence. Then some people think that, “I give up my heart.” Some people say it. We don’t want heartless people either. Then some people will say that, “Mother, we’ll give up our relationships with others.” That also is not needed. Because your heart should be there where it is and the light has to come in your heart. What can you give your heart to whom? When the One who has given you the heart, what’s the use of giving Him back the heart? Isn’t it? The One who has given you intelligence, what’s the use of giving Him [it back]? Something that you have achieved yourself has to be given. What have you achieved is your ego and your super-ego. What you have achieved is nothing but your ego. And this ego you have to give up, which is a difficult task. Ego, if it comes out of money, material things, it is better you give up some material things, not to God but somebody else. It’s better. If the material things are creating that ego. If your intelligence is creating ego that you think you have a very high IQ, it’s better to bring it down a little. It is for you to judge. Watch yourself: what makes your ego bloated up? If you could start looking at your ego you will be amazed that any useless thing can bloat it and can also deflate it. It can get hurt from nothing at all. It becomes so important. Then the superego part of it also comes. That is what also you have to give up. And in superego you can have your conditionings due to your gurus and wrong types of doings and wrong types of conditionings [that] you have had from childhood. Like, for example, somebody is a Catholic: for him, Pope is everything. Or somebody is a Hindu: for him a particular temple is everything. All these are conditionings. Why they are conditionings [is] that, without finding out the truth about them, you have just accepted them as it is. This is the simple thing. So if you can find out the truth about all these things, you will give it up. You may, may not. There are many people who know the truth, still they do not give up. You see, human beings are complicated stuff. Even if they know the truth they will not give up. But supposing you try to find the truth about all these things: then you may give, may not give. But going back into the whole thing, to find out each and every thing, make a schedule of the whole thing that, ‘’Morning time I’ll find out about this, and evening time about this,” The whole [of] your life you will go on finding one by one, and ultimately you will find that you have gone now up to the grave. So that procedure also is not going to help you. By God’s grace you are Realised-souls and you can find out in a second whether you are on the conditioning side or not. If your left is catching you are conditioned. If your right is catching you are on ego trip. Alright. So now you know very simple method is to know that, through vibrations, you can find out [if] Mr Ego is there or superego is there or you are wobbly. This is the biggest thing we have got because this is my preparation. My preparation is this, that, first give you Realisation. First give you Realisation. Once you are Realised then I won’t have to say much. If you are conditioned on the left side you will get pains, this, that. If you are conditioned [on] right-hand side you’ll have problems with health or something. So you will come to me and I will be able to tell you. This is my own preparation: is to make you alert and aware so that you have light to see things. Now your preparation should be to use this awareness all the time. Further I will go to say that: to use this knowledge within you all the time. That people forget. So the first [thing] we must know is that this preparation has been done for us. We have got the vibrations. We have got the knowledge to verify and we must use this. That you are in a new dimension is the first acceptance. If you have that acceptance within you then your judgement will be better. But this acceptance is missing. Now there is, in Sanskrit, a word, ‘abhyas’ , that every day doing the same thing in that manner you will remember that you are Realised and that your awareness is not that of the awareness of ordinary people. So, first preparation is to prepare yourself, to tell yourself that you have this new awareness within you, is to make yourself known. You see, in the University when you graduate, there is a ceremony held for that. You have to go with a gown and they give you a proper roll and all that. Why is it necessary? Because you may forget you are a graduate. (laughter) Yes! And that’s exactly what happens to you, that you forget you are Realised-souls. I mean, we have had a ceremony in the sense that everything we have done to prove that you are Realised-souls. But this is what is missing from our people, that they cannot understand that they are Realised-souls, that they are people who are on a level that nobody [else] is. You are twice-born people, who are very, very rare. Very rarely you will find people who are twice-born. I mean, I found nobody - can you imagine? – all my lifetime, except for my father and a few here and there. I mean they are not to be counted because my father I chose and that’s how. So, first of all if you make yourself known to your own intelligence that, “I am a Realised-soul!” you’ll be seeing that your priorities will be changing very fast. Supposing somebody gives you a huge big property or a huge big wealth. Immediately you become conscious of it. You start walking like this. When you are a student you walk like this. Suddenly you get the degree and walk like this. (laughter) What about Realisation? So happy to see you here, very happy. May God Bless. What about your Realisation? You haven’t got your Realisation? Then what are you doing about it? This is the first preparation: is of identifying that you are a Realised-soul. We have to talk in a different way - we are Realised-souls now. We are people of a different knowledge. We are people of a different awareness. As I told you. Now see this beautiful building: we all are enamoured by it and it looks very beautiful. It’s done so well, beautifully and is very important for human beings. Alright? But for the Divine even this green leaf is more important than the whole building put together and all such buildings put together. For the Divine. Because that leaf is living and a bird which is more aware than that leaf is, is much more important to the Divine. So you, the human beings who are now aware to this extent how much important you must be to Divine? How much God Himself must be interested in you? Just think of it! Once you recognise this point, then relatively you will also know that you are very important in God’s plan. Not world’s plan I am talking. (laughter) It is God’s plan. So all the forces of his blessings and all his loftiness, all of them are with to help you, to support you, to give you whatever you like. You are on the stage and they are looking after you. I mean, now you have entered on the stage. But I find Sahaja Yogis, once they get Realisation, I don’t know what happens to them. If they give up their ego then they become like, absolutely, I don’t know what you call them…bananas? (laughter) Each one of you is the special one created by God. Now you see for yourself, just think of yourself. I mean, you are the ones who know such a lot about life. Even if you get a little bit possessed, doesn’t matter. But you know that you are possessed. Now think of it. This is the second preparation one has to have - is understanding that it is God Almighty Himself [who is] worried about you. He’s sent everybody to help you, “Go ahead!” So you don’t have to worry about your money, you don’t have to worry about all other things. The third thing comes automatically that you don’t have to worry about all these things at all. They’ll be looked after. You all have been looked after, you know that. Everyone has been helped. But if you know that He is Almighty and He’s compassion and that you have fallen into His grace - think of it! Establish yourself at that point. This is the preparation one has to have, that He is the one who has given all this. Then, the modern Sahaja Yogis are specially blessed because they have a ‘walkie-talkie’ with them. Any problem that they have are handled in form, in person! There was never such a blessing before. But ego is the point. To begin with it is ego. You have seen it. If you have ego you will not accept you are a Realised-soul. Imagine, how silly it is! If you have a superego also you will not recognise it. You will go back to the same position as you were. You will never accept that you are a Realised-soul if you have a superego. You’ll never accept, “Oh, how can it be, Mother? After all I am an ordinary human being.” You’ll go on like that, “How can I cure others? How can I give Realisation? It is not possible.” You see this kind of a humility, nonsensical. I mean, it’s alright, I mean it’s like a ?? saying, "Oh, how can I cure you?” It’s like that. It’s like no meaning. This kind of a humility has no meaning for you. “How can I do it, Mother? What can I do? Oh, I am no good. I’m of no use.” This language must be given up. When it is ego then it is even worse. You can harm yourself and you can harm Sahaja Yoga, at the extreme point. Egoistical people are extremely difficult, they are such a drag, because they try to do everything through their intelligence and understanding and this and that, and such a rambling goes on and on and on, and you try to pull them back again and they go back. It’s so boring, you know. Very boring. Because you know, I see the stuff, supposing, I know this is it (a cup of tea) and I want you to have it. And between taking this cup to the lip, [if] every time you are pulling it out, every time you are pulling it out, then how am I to take it to your lip? It’s very boring! And this egoistical temperament is very prevalent in the West, surprisingly. And I just don’t understand. They can take to all kinds of filth, all kinds of perversions without arguing about it! Just take to it! Any kind of perversion - “What’s wrong?” But it is for them the most wrong thing is to be accepting the fact that you are a Realised-soul through Sahaja Yoga. They’ll take anything else but not the truth. This ego is like a horse sitting on your head. You have to sit on the horse, and the horse is sitting on your head. You are carrying the load of the horse - imagine! what is the sense in such a thing? If you start analysing yourself, again you will go into another trip. You have been such ‘trippers’ like [a] Jack in the box, you see. Because you have been taking trips after trips, there’s a sort of a spring. You try to see your ego, you go on a trip of superego. You try to see your superego and you go on a trip of [ego]. I mean, a person who has been bouncing all the time to this trip or that trip or that trip or that trip is just like a person travelling all the time, doesn’t know whether he has to get down or has to go further. It’s like that! The habit of the mind is so egoistical that you just take the ride on the thing. But the thing is [that] it is not that you take the ride, but the ego takes you on a ride. And whenever there is any such a thing coming up, it grabs you. And the progress is extremely slow. Now the trouble with the Divine is that it has its own protocol and if the King has to come to your house, you have to go and invite the King. The King doesn’t write to you that, “Please invite me to your house,” does he? That’s why he’s King, after all! And he doesn’t implore people that, “Please invite me.” This Mr. Ego expects that you should be invited by the Divine. That the Divine must go out of the way to fetch you out. Ego, in simple words, is nothing but absolutely wrong ideas about one’s own value: by which you think that, “I am everything.” What are you? Now don’t go on a superego trip. What are we? Nothing! We cannot even sprout the seed. Every day-to-day life you can see this clearly: how ego jumps up. Supposing somebody says that, “British have these qualities,” one feels very happy. “Oh, what a praise it is! What a praise for British! Oh, we are British!” immediately. Somebody says that, “British lack these qualities,” finished! You are absolutely…then that person is the worst person in the whole world. First of all, you must know that neither you are British, nor Indian nor anything. You are just human beings. Ignorance is responsible for this ego. It is complete ignorance about yourself gives you this ego. So once we are going towards light we must know what are our hurdles. [This] is the preparation. Is the ignorance that we have about ourselves that’s why we are going to see ourselves. And because of the ignorance, ego and super-go both have come onto us, so at least we’ll have nothing to do with them. Supposing you have to go on the Himalayas where you are going for an expedition. You are supposed to carry the lightest things that you have. You don’t carry three luggage of tiffin carriers, four luggage of this, and five things of that, to have a nice little bed there and sleep over. All that you leave here. In the same way when you are going on the expedition of knowing yourself, all that is loading up yourself must be put down. So again we come to ego and superego. Actually, these two are terrible elephants which must be kept down on the ground. So we make our own study. These preparations are needed because we have already gone on this side too much or that side too much. So the preparation is to bring you down, “Come along here. Now you stand in the centre!” or we bring you down here and stand in the centre. The preparation is nothing but is just to bring you down here, that’s all. So with ego we move on and see what the ego has subtler and subtler and subtler forms. Even in superego you have subtler and subtler and subtler forms. To understand ego you must see what do you plan about your life? It’s very easy. What are your plans about future life? To understand your superego you must know what affects you very much, what makes you very unhappy. Or you can say, what makes you more happy and what makes you more unhappy. Both things, happiness and unhappiness, are the shadows of these two trees. One is ego, another is superego. Just watch yourself. What makes you very happy? Good clothes? Good living? Or when your name appears in “Who’s who?” (book) or all such nonsensical things which make you laugh, you see! All that. You just see that. What makes you unhappy? When [there is] some sort of a heartbreak and this and that. All this kind of a nonsense. Both things are not yourself. They are just outside. So what is inside, if you have to find out, first the outside must be taken away. If you have to taste the fruit you take out the outside, you peel it out. In the same way, this must be peeled out. Now this you should see within yourself and without also. You can see it very clearly without. It’s very easy. How you deal with others is the point - what is your relationship with others. It is easier to know this outside than inside, perhaps. When you talk to others, what is the impact they have from you? Are you appreciated by others or not? Among Sahaja Yogis. Do you respect another Sahaja Yogi as a Sahaja Yogi or not? Do you expect that whatever stage you are, the other Sahaja Yogi will also come up and he must be given the due respect? Also you must see that when any Sahaja Yogi, who has achieved something or who is at a better level, tries to pull you up - [do] you like it or resist it or get upset about it? If somebody tells you, “This should be done, that should be done,” do you take it as if he has abused you? If he is telling you about Sahaja Yoga you should be thankful in all normal way. I feel thankful to you if you tell me something that concerns Sahaja Yoga. Anything! Even if you tell me, “Mother this may not be alright if You say. You see, the human beings are like this,” I accept it and I do it according to your wishes. Or do you like it or not? This is how you will judge your ego. This is only your Mr. Ego. Actually, it is better to have another person to fight your ego and yourself; both put together. If somebody tells you that, “This should be done,” “Oh, I see, I have been doing that. Yes, alright. You come and help me. You pull me out. Work it out. Try and help me. I am horrible!” That’s the way, if you do it, [that] you can get over this ego. But the other person should say, “You are very nice. Alright, do what you please,” and then you feel happy. This person is not so alright and you are also not so alright. Because you have to pull out people. For example, if you understand that you are in a crisis, you are in an emergency, people are getting drowned and some people are trying to pull them out, they themselves are halfway down, halfway up, they are trying to pull you out, at that time if they say, “Hold my hand now!” If you feel upset about it then you are not wise. Now in Sahaja Yoga there is no leader as such. I mean, nobody is appointed as leader. Anybody tries to do that, he goes down. But there is an innate leadership within, and such a person is extremely humble and congenial and appealing and commanding too, has to be commanding. And one should not feel bad at that time, because if he says, “Go and steal something,” or “You go and join some- one of these nonsensical things”, then of course he is wrong! But if he is saying that, “In Sahaja Yoga you have to come up!” Even dominatingly (sic) if he says, I mean, it’s a very good thing, I would say. Supposing somebody is in your neighbourhood who is always criticising. In a way it’s a blessing because [if] there’s somebody who is criticising us he’s trying to perfect us. I mean, we should take it. Not to feel bad about it. Supposing somebody is saying something about you, if it is not true, then what is there to feel bad? If he is telling lies about you, there is nothing to be frightened about. If he is telling the truth, then you have to be thankful. Though sometimes the truth could be very unpalatable, could be very, very bad. But it is a good thing. There is a saying in Marathi, “Keep the house of the person who is a backbiter, the one who backbites. Keep the house of such a man who is your backbiter next to you. Next door.” That you know your defects, you see, you correct yourself. Is the wise attitude. Because you cannot correct yourself, so have a mirror by which you correct yourself. I mean, you should thank such a man that he is criticising you. By pampering you if he is going to completely destroy you, what’s the use? This is what the gurus are doing. They are all pampering you and destroying you and ultimately you find out that you have been befooled. So if you accept the situation in which you say, “Alright, if this is what is going to be the truth, it’s very much better for my ego and if it is not the truth then what is so important?” This attitude helps in Sahaja Yoga very much, a very wise attitude towards oneself is. And you will be surprised as you’ll grow with this attitude, you won’t be easily hurt by what people say to you. You won’t bother. You know how much people criticise me and say all kinds of things, argue with me, and I’m not bothered because I know they are foolish. What is there? They are stupid people. What is there? Even if they praise me, what is it? After all, whatever they praise me is my nature, nothing so great. See, it makes no difference. I am just watching my chakras working. I am not bothered. In the same way, it will happen to you and you will not be bothered. But this will help your unloading. This will help your unloading. And, the unhappy part of it: in that we should prepare ourselves in a way that , “Nothing can make me unhappy. What can make me unhappy if I am a Realised-soul?” Supposing you want to marry someone - take a concrete thing - and you find the person has sort of misbehaved or you cannot marry. So what? “I am there. My value is myself I know.” So your value, your self-esteem should be such that nothing should make you unhappy. It’s all a drama going on. It’s all a drama. But these things must be accepted by your great intelligence because what I find here is the difficulty with the Western mind is this that - it has too much of IQ, too much over-developed. So it is such a polished surface that nothing stays there, everything. The first simple thing is that you are a Realised-soul itself should settled down there somehow, and to your intelligence that you are a Realised-soul now. All of you believe in the heart, not in the brain. That you are a Realised-soul, is first thing you must tell your intelligence. And then you must tell your intelligence also that, “Nothing can make me unhappy and nothing can befool me.” If these three points settle down on your intelligence I will see the rest of it. You just fix these three points on your intelligence then you will be amazed [that] you will become a very loving person, extremely considerate of others. It will all work out automatically. Because when your intelligence is like that nothing goes in. You are all the time worried about others. Either you are afraid of others or you are aggressive on others. You cannot go straight forward. This is what happens. If you could understand these three points clearly. (laughing). Yogini: Nobody does that. Shri Mataji: She says that “Nobody does that. That’s the problem.” Absolutely. She’s so practical. (laughing). She is so practical, you see. Just now in the car she said, “Everybody does something other [than they should]. They do not do what is the first to be done.” Like she said, “They’ll marry, you have to marry and enjoy your wife and your husband and your children. They’ll do everything else but that.” (laughing) It is that. You see, nobody does that. It’s so practical if you do it. Listening to Mataji is not the thing I want you to do, but doing of it is. Sit down and tell your intelligence, your IQ, that, “Mr IQ, now please listen. This is what has happened to me, and this is what I am. I am a Realised-soul and nothing should pamper me and nothing should make me unhappy.” That’s all. “Nobody can hurt me.” Otherwise you are, “Aaahahhahaa, aahhaahah,” like that, it goes in two ways. Never in a straight way. Where you are just compassion and you are love. Absolutely relying upon yourself, absolutely. And then you have me with you. And you think of those sages who had nobody to guide, nobody to tell, nobody to talk to. All your granthis and all that, I am breaking. You don’t have to do anything. But only thing you don’t create your own granthis, your own knots. If you do not create, things will work out. This is a very simple preparation. So I don’t have to tell you, “Love your brothers and sisters,” and this and that. That’s going the other way around. But you just tell your intelligence. This is enlightenment of the intelligence. If that intelligence comes into you then it is wisdom. “That anybody is laughing at me or everybody’s making fun of me or anybody is trying to dominate me,” all these fears or all these aggressiveness, all this will disappear just like that. That now you are a flower and you are fragrant and the fragrance is blowing, and many bees are going to come to you, that’s what you are! This is the beginning. Go on telling yourself like that. If you could do that, if you can bring your intelligence to this level, not too high, not too low, but in the centre, everything can be solved in no time. When I am now living with you people, going through your Kundalinis, all that, I have found out at this point only: that you just don’t tell your intelligence this. So that you start giving up all kinds of fanaticism, all fears and this, and superstitions and all nonsense. Because nothing can harm you. No stars can harm you, not your science can harm you, what time you were born. Nothing can harm you now! You are beyond it. So astrology is finished. Horoscopes are finished. All other…what other things you had like this? Sahaja Yogi: Karma. Shri Mataji: Karmas are finished. Sahaja Yogini: Palmistry Shri Mataji: Palmistry is finished. Sahaja Yogi: Biorhythm. (Big laughter] Shri Mataji: Biorhythm’s finished! Biorhythm’s finished! All that. I mean, you are beyond that. Now all these things, all such things. Then the other side of it. All love affairs finished. All fear of love affairs finished. Everything finished, nonsense. It’s only love. Now whosoever you will get, you will love that person, that person will love you. If he doesn’t care or loves you, it doesn’t matter. As long as you love, finished! All expectations finished, all expectations finished. All expectations for happiness. Joy is single and absolute. When you are in joy you are at a state when there is no movement. You are just there. So get rid of this both feelings of, “I am very happy now!” “I am now in joy. I am established in joy and that’s what I have to grow within me not that my old stuffs. That’s dead, finished.” When the trees drop out their leaves, people don’t expect them to again rise and get attached to the trees? (Laughter). In the same way whatever is gone and finished is finished now. Now let us grow what is new coming in us, and this is to be nurtured now - is the joy, is that dignified majestic, that beauty within ourselves. Then you don’t get upset. Not bothered what others have to say about you. It will happen. It will happen if you put it down on your intelligence. And people will see that in you because you don’t do anything funny, you don’t do anything wrong. People like you. Even those who are not Realised will see that dignity in you, that you are so dignified because you have your own understanding of yourself. It’s a very simple thing, but as she has said it, nobody does it. Tell your intelligence. Even now I find that some people do have that joy within them trickling in. But you have to prosper into that. You have to come into that. Dropping out all that is nonsensical. Otherwise you will go off like that. And it takes hardly any time or hardly anything. Whatever is done wrong, is done wrong, finished! Just to be finished off because it’s dead now, so why bother about it? Just to finish off. Because if I tell you something with a harsh tone it will not stick on there. If I do it delicately also it will not work out, because, what I told you, there’s a polish. Take out the polish, and what is the polish? The polish is the all understanding of norms, the all understanding of norms of life. Because you thought [that] if you were in this condition you would be happy, that’s why you are doing it. Because you thought, if you do like this, there is a fear this, the left-side problem. But if this all understanding of the mind, if you clear it out with your light, with your own wisdom, then you’ll be amazed [that] this thing will stick into you, completely. This wisdom will stick into you. Forget that old nonsense. So many things you have already sorted out yourself, you know, so many things which were nonsensical before. But the identification of all these ideas should be achieved, should be achieved, is the point. You know that this is all nonsensical. But is to be achieved. That’s the preparation. You have the light, you have the movement now. you are moving into it, but the light is not here. [It] dangles, sometimes falls like this, falls like that. If you can fix your light properly, just by this understanding that whatever were the norms before were due to ignorance and we have to have our norms of our own now [regarding] what is a Sahaja Yogi. And these norms, I am going to tell you how these norms are going to come to you like faith, like entire dependence on spirituality, entire dependence on your vibrations. All these norms of the new life, we have to accept. But to be achieved, I mean to say to be achieved, you see. Not just to be understood in a lecture. So I’ll tell you about that in the evening, and tomorrow I will tell you [about] the real becoming, alright? Thank you. May God bless you. Shri Mataji: Just go on saying, now are you opening? Sahaja Yogi: (inaudible] Shri Mataji: You do not want to assume your position, that’s the problem. Better? This is what I am saying, you see. It’s moving out. Just say that, “Nothing can happen. No bhoot can catch me. I can catch the bhoots.” That’s the truth. Douglas Fry: Lunch is served. Shri Mataji: Hah? Sahaja Yogini: Do you want to take your lunch in here? Shri Mataji: Or else? Sahaja Yogini: In the dining room. It’s very nice.. Shri Mataji: Nice or not, I will have it with you people.	null	null	null	What is a Sahaja Yogi, Morning of Seminar, Old Alresford (England), 17 May 1980. We must know that Sahaja Yoga is a living process. It is the same type of a process by which a seed sprouts into a tree. It is a living process. So it is God’s job. I mean He has to do it. It is not your job. To sprout the seed is His job. But the problem comes in because, at this stage where human being is the seed, he has freedom, they have freedom. With that freedom they can spoil His manifestation, His working. So the first thing one has to remember that we must have wisdom about it. The first point of wisdom is that it is God Almighty who is going to do this job. We are not doing it. You cannot sprout the seed, then how can you sprout your seed also? And in that wisdom we must learn one thing and know, within ourselves, that you are part and parcel of the whole process. Though you have your own freedom, freedom also is a part and parcel of the same process. You are not separated from God. You do not have any separated entity. You are part and parcel of that whole process. Alright? So to think that you have to decide something about it is also wrong. You are in the same machinery, brought to this stage when you are given freedom for your further evolution. So at this stage, when you have your freedom, you must know that freedom wants to be given to you to understand the value of freedom. And in that freedom, you must understand what is glorious for you. Once you understand that, then you tell yourself that, “Now, see: I have to become something more. That’s why God has done this, only thing I have to do is to completely coordinate, cooperate and surrender to His will, so that I become.” This is the first preparation we have to make. In that surrendering, you will do the greatest thing because by that you do not interfere with His work. Unless and until you surrender you cannot have the wisdom. So first of all you understand this, through your little wisdom that you have, and then you’ll have the full wisdom. First of all, understand this with the little wisdom that you have, that, without surrendering you will be obstructing the ways of God. He knows what is good for you. He wants to give you the highest which you cannot achieve yourself. He’s going to give you the highest. If you want to achieve it, you cannot achieve it. It is His doing. It is His daan (दान), as you call it, His gift to you. In that case you must know that [the] best way to achieve it is to allow His working to work out. Now when you think of surrendering, first of all the brain wave starts working. “What do I surrender?” You think by surrendering, say, your material wealth. That’s not what He wants. It’s all wealth He has given to you. What is He going to do [with that]? It’s [not] equal to even a dust particle of His feet. So that one is not going to help. Sometimes you may feel that, “I should give my intelligence,” or that is what is asked. Nobody wants to have your idiots and stupid people! So you don’t give up your intelligence. Then some people think that, “I give up my heart.” Some people say it. We don’t want heartless people either. Then some people will say that, “Mother, we’ll give up our relationships with others.” That also is not needed. Because your heart should be there where it is and the light has to come in your heart. What can you give your heart to whom? When the One who has given you the heart, what’s the use of giving Him back the heart? Isn’t it? The One who has given you intelligence, what’s the use of giving Him [it back]? Something that you have achieved yourself has to be given. What have you achieved is your ego and your super-ego. What you have achieved is nothing but your ego. And this ego you have to give up, which is a difficult task. Ego, if it comes out of money, material things, it is better you give up some material things, not to God but somebody else. It’s better. If the material things are creating that ego. If your intelligence is creating ego that you think you have a very high IQ, it’s better to bring it down a little. It is for you to judge. Watch yourself: what makes your ego bloated up? If you could start looking at your ego you will be amazed that any useless thing can bloat it and can also deflate it. It can get hurt from nothing at all. It becomes so important. Then the superego part of it also comes. That is what also you have to give up. And in superego you can have your conditionings due to your gurus and wrong types of doings and wrong types of conditionings [that] you have had from childhood. Like, for example, somebody is a Catholic: for him, Pope is everything. Or somebody is a Hindu: for him a particular temple is everything. All these are conditionings. Why they are conditionings [is] that, without finding out the truth about them, you have just accepted them as it is. This is the simple thing. So if you can find out the truth about all these things, you will give it up. You may, may not. There are many people who know the truth, still they do not give up. You see, human beings are complicated stuff. Even if they know the truth they will not give up. But supposing you try to find the truth about all these things: then you may give, may not give. But going back into the whole thing, to find out each and every thing, make a schedule of the whole thing that, ‘’Morning time I’ll find out about this, and evening time about this,” The whole [of] your life you will go on finding one by one, and ultimately you will find that you have gone now up to the grave. So that procedure also is not going to help you. By God’s grace you are Realised-souls and you can find out in a second whether you are on the conditioning side or not. If your left is catching you are conditioned. If your right is catching you are on ego trip. Alright. So now you know very simple method is to know that, through vibrations, you can find out [if] Mr Ego is there or superego is there or you are wobbly. This is the biggest thing we have got because this is my preparation. My preparation is this, that, first give you Realisation. First give you Realisation. Once you are Realised then I won’t have to say much. If you are conditioned on the left side you will get pains, this, that. If you are conditioned [on] right-hand side you’ll have problems with health or something. So you will come to me and I will be able to tell you. This is my own preparation: is to make you alert and aware so that you have light to see things. Now your preparation should be to use this awareness all the time. Further I will go to say that: to use this knowledge within you all the time. That people forget. So the first [thing] we must know is that this preparation has been done for us. We have got the vibrations. We have got the knowledge to verify and we must use this. That you are in a new dimension is the first acceptance. If you have that acceptance within you then your judgement will be better. But this acceptance is missing. Now there is, in Sanskrit, a word, ‘abhyas’ , that every day doing the same thing in that manner you will remember that you are Realised and that your awareness is not that of the awareness of ordinary people. So, first preparation is to prepare yourself, to tell yourself that you have this new awareness within you, is to make yourself known. You see, in the University when you graduate, there is a ceremony held for that. You have to go with a gown and they give you a proper roll and all that. Why is it necessary? Because you may forget you are a graduate. (laughter) Yes! And that’s exactly what happens to you, that you forget you are Realised-souls. I mean, we have had a ceremony in the sense that everything we have done to prove that you are Realised-souls. But this is what is missing from our people, that they cannot understand that they are Realised-souls, that they are people who are on a level that nobody [else] is. You are twice-born people, who are very, very rare. Very rarely you will find people who are twice-born. I mean, I found nobody - can you imagine? – all my lifetime, except for my father and a few here and there. I mean they are not to be counted because my father I chose and that’s how. So, first of all if you make yourself known to your own intelligence that, “I am a Realised-soul!” you’ll be seeing that your priorities will be changing very fast. Supposing somebody gives you a huge big property or a huge big wealth. Immediately you become conscious of it. You start walking like this. When you are a student you walk like this. Suddenly you get the degree and walk like this. (laughter) What about Realisation? So happy to see you here, very happy. May God Bless. What about your Realisation? You haven’t got your Realisation? Then what are you doing about it? This is the first preparation: is of identifying that you are a Realised-soul. We have to talk in a different way - we are Realised-souls now. We are people of a different knowledge. We are people of a different awareness. As I told you. Now see this beautiful building: we all are enamoured by it and it looks very beautiful. It’s done so well, beautifully and is very important for human beings. Alright? But for the Divine even this green leaf is more important than the whole building put together and all such buildings put together. For the Divine. Because that leaf is living and a bird which is more aware than that leaf is, is much more important to the Divine. So you, the human beings who are now aware to this extent how much important you must be to Divine? How much God Himself must be interested in you? Just think of it! Once you recognise this point, then relatively you will also know that you are very important in God’s plan. Not world’s plan I am talking. (laughter) It is God’s plan. So all the forces of his blessings and all his loftiness, all of them are with to help you, to support you, to give you whatever you like. You are on the stage and they are looking after you. I mean, now you have entered on the stage. But I find Sahaja Yogis, once they get Realisation, I don’t know what happens to them. If they give up their ego then they become like, absolutely, I don’t know what you call them…bananas? (laughter) Each one of you is the special one created by God. Now you see for yourself, just think of yourself. I mean, you are the ones who know such a lot about life. Even if you get a little bit possessed, doesn’t matter. But you know that you are possessed. Now think of it. This is the second preparation one has to have - is understanding that it is God Almighty Himself [who is] worried about you. He’s sent everybody to help you, “Go ahead!” So you don’t have to worry about your money, you don’t have to worry about all other things. The third thing comes automatically that you don’t have to worry about all these things at all. They’ll be looked after. You all have been looked after, you know that. Everyone has been helped. But if you know that He is Almighty and He’s compassion and that you have fallen into His grace - think of it! Establish yourself at that point. This is the preparation one has to have, that He is the one who has given all this. Then, the modern Sahaja Yogis are specially blessed because they have a ‘walkie-talkie’ with them. Any problem that they have are handled in form, in person! There was never such a blessing before. But ego is the point. To begin with it is ego. You have seen it. If you have ego you will not accept you are a Realised-soul. Imagine, how silly it is! If you have a superego also you will not recognise it. You will go back to the same position as you were. You will never accept that you are a Realised-soul if you have a superego. You’ll never accept, “Oh, how can it be, Mother? After all I am an ordinary human being.” You’ll go on like that, “How can I cure others? How can I give Realisation? It is not possible.” You see this kind of a humility, nonsensical. I mean, it’s alright, I mean it’s like a ?? saying, "Oh, how can I cure you?” It’s like that. It’s like no meaning. This kind of a humility has no meaning for you. “How can I do it, Mother? What can I do? Oh, I am no good. I’m of no use.” This language must be given up. When it is ego then it is even worse. You can harm yourself and you can harm Sahaja Yoga, at the extreme point. Egoistical people are extremely difficult, they are such a drag, because they try to do everything through their intelligence and understanding and this and that, and such a rambling goes on and on and on, and you try to pull them back again and they go back. It’s so boring, you know. Very boring. Because you know, I see the stuff, supposing, I know this is it (a cup of tea) and I want you to have it. And between taking this cup to the lip, [if] every time you are pulling it out, every time you are pulling it out, then how am I to take it to your lip? It’s very boring! And this egoistical temperament is very prevalent in the West, surprisingly. And I just don’t understand. They can take to all kinds of filth, all kinds of perversions without arguing about it! Just take to it! Any kind of perversion - “What’s wrong?” But it is for them the most wrong thing is to be accepting the fact that you are a Realised-soul through Sahaja Yoga. They’ll take anything else but not the truth. This ego is like a horse sitting on your head. You have to sit on the horse, and the horse is sitting on your head. You are carrying the load of the horse - imagine! what is the sense in such a thing? If you start analysing yourself, again you will go into another trip. You have been such ‘trippers’ like [a] Jack in the box, you see. Because you have been taking trips after trips, there’s a sort of a spring. You try to see your ego, you go on a trip of superego. You try to see your superego and you go on a trip of [ego]. I mean, a person who has been bouncing all the time to this trip or that trip or that trip or that trip is just like a person travelling all the time, doesn’t know whether he has to get down or has to go further. It’s like that! The habit of the mind is so egoistical that you just take the ride on the thing. But the thing is [that] it is not that you take the ride, but the ego takes you on a ride. And whenever there is any such a thing coming up, it grabs you. And the progress is extremely slow. Now the trouble with the Divine is that it has its own protocol and if the King has to come to your house, you have to go and invite the King. The King doesn’t write to you that, “Please invite me to your house,” does he? That’s why he’s King, after all! And he doesn’t implore people that, “Please invite me.” This Mr. Ego expects that you should be invited by the Divine. That the Divine must go out of the way to fetch you out. Ego, in simple words, is nothing but absolutely wrong ideas about one’s own value: by which you think that, “I am everything.” What are you? Now don’t go on a superego trip. What are we? Nothing! We cannot even sprout the seed. Every day-to-day life you can see this clearly: how ego jumps up. Supposing somebody says that, “British have these qualities,” one feels very happy. “Oh, what a praise it is! What a praise for British! Oh, we are British!” immediately. Somebody says that, “British lack these qualities,” finished! You are absolutely…then that person is the worst person in the whole world. First of all, you must know that neither you are British, nor Indian nor anything. You are just human beings. Ignorance is responsible for this ego. It is complete ignorance about yourself gives you this ego. So once we are going towards light we must know what are our hurdles. [This] is the preparation. Is the ignorance that we have about ourselves that’s why we are going to see ourselves. And because of the ignorance, ego and super-go both have come onto us, so at least we’ll have nothing to do with them. Supposing you have to go on the Himalayas where you are going for an expedition. You are supposed to carry the lightest things that you have. You don’t carry three luggage of tiffin carriers, four luggage of this, and five things of that, to have a nice little bed there and sleep over. All that you leave here. In the same way when you are going on the expedition of knowing yourself, all that is loading up yourself must be put down. So again we come to ego and superego. Actually, these two are terrible elephants which must be kept down on the ground. So we make our own study. These preparations are needed because we have already gone on this side too much or that side too much. So the preparation is to bring you down, “Come along here. Now you stand in the centre!” or we bring you down here and stand in the centre. The preparation is nothing but is just to bring you down here, that’s all. So with ego we move on and see what the ego has subtler and subtler and subtler forms. Even in superego you have subtler and subtler and subtler forms. To understand ego you must see what do you plan about your life? It’s very easy. What are your plans about future life? To understand your superego you must know what affects you very much, what makes you very unhappy. Or you can say, what makes you more happy and what makes you more unhappy. Both things, happiness and unhappiness, are the shadows of these two trees. One is ego, another is superego. Just watch yourself. What makes you very happy? Good clothes? Good living? Or when your name appears in “Who’s who?” (book) or all such nonsensical things which make you laugh, you see! All that. You just see that. What makes you unhappy? When [there is] some sort of a heartbreak and this and that. All this kind of a nonsense. Both things are not yourself. They are just outside. So what is inside, if you have to find out, first the outside must be taken away. If you have to taste the fruit you take out the outside, you peel it out. In the same way, this must be peeled out. Now this you should see within yourself and without also. You can see it very clearly without. It’s very easy. How you deal with others is the point - what is your relationship with others. It is easier to know this outside than inside, perhaps. When you talk to others, what is the impact they have from you? Are you appreciated by others or not? Among Sahaja Yogis. Do you respect another Sahaja Yogi as a Sahaja Yogi or not? Do you expect that whatever stage you are, the other Sahaja Yogi will also come up and he must be given the due respect? Also you must see that when any Sahaja Yogi, who has achieved something or who is at a better level, tries to pull you up - [do] you like it or resist it or get upset about it? If somebody tells you, “This should be done, that should be done,” do you take it as if he has abused you? If he is telling you about Sahaja Yoga you should be thankful in all normal way. I feel thankful to you if you tell me something that concerns Sahaja Yoga. Anything! Even if you tell me, “Mother this may not be alright if You say. You see, the human beings are like this,” I accept it and I do it according to your wishes. Or do you like it or not? This is how you will judge your ego. This is only your Mr. Ego. Actually, it is better to have another person to fight your ego and yourself; both put together. If somebody tells you that, “This should be done,” “Oh, I see, I have been doing that. Yes, alright. You come and help me. You pull me out. Work it out. Try and help me. I am horrible!” That’s the way, if you do it, [that] you can get over this ego. But the other person should say, “You are very nice. Alright, do what you please,” and then you feel happy. This person is not so alright and you are also not so alright. Because you have to pull out people. For example, if you understand that you are in a crisis, you are in an emergency, people are getting drowned and some people are trying to pull them out, they themselves are halfway down, halfway up, they are trying to pull you out, at that time if they say, “Hold my hand now!” If you feel upset about it then you are not wise. Now in Sahaja Yoga there is no leader as such. I mean, nobody is appointed as leader. Anybody tries to do that, he goes down. But there is an innate leadership within, and such a person is extremely humble and congenial and appealing and commanding too, has to be commanding. And one should not feel bad at that time, because if he says, “Go and steal something,” or “You go and join some- one of these nonsensical things”, then of course he is wrong! But if he is saying that, “In Sahaja Yoga you have to come up!” Even dominatingly (sic) if he says, I mean, it’s a very good thing, I would say. Supposing somebody is in your neighbourhood who is always criticising. In a way it’s a blessing because [if] there’s somebody who is criticising us he’s trying to perfect us. I mean, we should take it. Not to feel bad about it. Supposing somebody is saying something about you, if it is not true, then what is there to feel bad? If he is telling lies about you, there is nothing to be frightened about. If he is telling the truth, then you have to be thankful. Though sometimes the truth could be very unpalatable, could be very, very bad. But it is a good thing. There is a saying in Marathi, “Keep the house of the person who is a backbiter, the one who backbites. Keep the house of such a man who is your backbiter next to you. Next door.” That you know your defects, you see, you correct yourself. Is the wise attitude. Because you cannot correct yourself, so have a mirror by which you correct yourself. I mean, you should thank such a man that he is criticising you. By pampering you if he is going to completely destroy you, what’s the use? This is what the gurus are doing. They are all pampering you and destroying you and ultimately you find out that you have been befooled. So if you accept the situation in which you say, “Alright, if this is what is going to be the truth, it’s very much better for my ego and if it is not the truth then what is so important?” This attitude helps in Sahaja Yoga very much, a very wise attitude towards oneself is. And you will be surprised as you’ll grow with this attitude, you won’t be easily hurt by what people say to you. You won’t bother. You know how much people criticise me and say all kinds of things, argue with me, and I’m not bothered because I know they are foolish. What is there? They are stupid people. What is there? Even if they praise me, what is it? After all, whatever they praise me is my nature, nothing so great. See, it makes no difference. I am just watching my chakras working. I am not bothered. In the same way, it will happen to you and you will not be bothered. But this will help your unloading. This will help your unloading. And, the unhappy part of it: in that we should prepare ourselves in a way that , “Nothing can make me unhappy. What can make me unhappy if I am a Realised-soul?” Supposing you want to marry someone - take a concrete thing - and you find the person has sort of misbehaved or you cannot marry. So what? “I am there. My value is myself I know.” So your value, your self-esteem should be such that nothing should make you unhappy. It’s all a drama going on. It’s all a drama. But these things must be accepted by your great intelligence because what I find here is the difficulty with the Western mind is this that - it has too much of IQ, too much over-developed. So it is such a polished surface that nothing stays there, everything. The first simple thing is that you are a Realised-soul itself should settled down there somehow, and to your intelligence that you are a Realised-soul now. All of you believe in the heart, not in the brain. That you are a Realised-soul, is first thing you must tell your intelligence. And then you must tell your intelligence also that, “Nothing can make me unhappy and nothing can befool me.” If these three points settle down on your intelligence I will see the rest of it. You just fix these three points on your intelligence then you will be amazed [that] you will become a very loving person, extremely considerate of others. It will all work out automatically. Because when your intelligence is like that nothing goes in. You are all the time worried about others. Either you are afraid of others or you are aggressive on others. You cannot go straight forward. This is what happens. If you could understand these three points clearly. (laughing). Yogini: Nobody does that. Shri Mataji: She says that “Nobody does that. That’s the problem.” Absolutely. She’s so practical. (laughing). She is so practical, you see. Just now in the car she said, “Everybody does something other [than they should]. They do not do what is the first to be done.” Like she said, “They’ll marry, you have to marry and enjoy your wife and your husband and your children. They’ll do everything else but that.” (laughing) It is that. You see, nobody does that. It’s so practical if you do it. Listening to Mataji is not the thing I want you to do, but doing of it is. Sit down and tell your intelligence, your IQ, that, “Mr IQ, now please listen. This is what has happened to me, and this is what I am. I am a Realised-soul and nothing should pamper me and nothing should make me unhappy.” That’s all. “Nobody can hurt me.” Otherwise you are, “Aaahahhahaa, aahhaahah,” like that, it goes in two ways. Never in a straight way. Where you are just compassion and you are love. Absolutely relying upon yourself, absolutely. And then you have me with you. And you think of those sages who had nobody to guide, nobody to tell, nobody to talk to. All your granthis and all that, I am breaking. You don’t have to do anything. But only thing you don’t create your own granthis, your own knots. If you do not create, things will work out. This is a very simple preparation. So I don’t have to tell you, “Love your brothers and sisters,” and this and that. That’s going the other way around. But you just tell your intelligence. This is enlightenment of the intelligence. If that intelligence comes into you then it is wisdom. “That anybody is laughing at me or everybody’s making fun of me or anybody is trying to dominate me,” all these fears or all these aggressiveness, all this will disappear just like that. That now you are a flower and you are fragrant and the fragrance is blowing, and many bees are going to come to you, that’s what you are! This is the beginning. Go on telling yourself like that. If you could do that, if you can bring your intelligence to this level, not too high, not too low, but in the centre, everything can be solved in no time. When I am now living with you people, going through your Kundalinis, all that, I have found out at this point only: that you just don’t tell your intelligence this. So that you start giving up all kinds of fanaticism, all fears and this, and superstitions and all nonsense. Because nothing can harm you. No stars can harm you, not your science can harm you, what time you were born. Nothing can harm you now! You are beyond it. So astrology is finished. Horoscopes are finished. All other…what other things you had like this? Sahaja Yogi: Karma. Shri Mataji: Karmas are finished. Sahaja Yogini: Palmistry Shri Mataji: Palmistry is finished. Sahaja Yogi: Biorhythm. (Big laughter] Shri Mataji: Biorhythm’s finished! Biorhythm’s finished! All that. I mean, you are beyond that. Now all these things, all such things. Then the other side of it. All love affairs finished. All fear of love affairs finished. Everything finished, nonsense. It’s only love. Now whosoever you will get, you will love that person, that person will love you. If he doesn’t care or loves you, it doesn’t matter. As long as you love, finished! All expectations finished, all expectations finished. All expectations for happiness. Joy is single and absolute. When you are in joy you are at a state when there is no movement. You are just there. So get rid of this both feelings of, “I am very happy now!” “I am now in joy. I am established in joy and that’s what I have to grow within me not that my old stuffs. That’s dead, finished.” When the trees drop out their leaves, people don’t expect them to again rise and get attached to the trees? (Laughter). In the same way whatever is gone and finished is finished now. Now let us grow what is new coming in us, and this is to be nurtured now - is the joy, is that dignified majestic, that beauty within ourselves. Then you don’t get upset. Not bothered what others have to say about you. It will happen. It will happen if you put it down on your intelligence. And people will see that in you because you don’t do anything funny, you don’t do anything wrong. People like you. Even those who are not Realised will see that dignity in you, that you are so dignified because you have your own understanding of yourself. It’s a very simple thing, but as she has said it, nobody does it. Tell your intelligence. Even now I find that some people do have that joy within them trickling in. But you have to prosper into that. You have to come into that. Dropping out all that is nonsensical. Otherwise you will go off like that. And it takes hardly any time or hardly anything. Whatever is done wrong, is done wrong, finished! Just to be finished off because it’s dead now, so why bother about it? Just to finish off. Because if I tell you something with a harsh tone it will not stick on there. If I do it delicately also it will not work out, because, what I told you, there’s a polish. Take out the polish, and what is the polish? The polish is the all understanding of norms, the all understanding of norms of life. Because you thought [that] if you were in this condition you would be happy, that’s why you are doing it. Because you thought, if you do like this, there is a fear this, the left-side problem. But if this all understanding of the mind, if you clear it out with your light, with your own wisdom, then you’ll be amazed [that] this thing will stick into you, completely. This wisdom will stick into you. Forget that old nonsense. So many things you have already sorted out yourself, you know, so many things which were nonsensical before. But the identification of all these ideas should be achieved, should be achieved, is the point. You know that this is all nonsensical. But is to be achieved. That’s the preparation. You have the light, you have the movement now. you are moving into it, but the light is not here. [It] dangles, sometimes falls like this, falls like that. If you can fix your light properly, just by this understanding that whatever were the norms before were due to ignorance and we have to have our norms of our own now [regarding] what is a Sahaja Yogi. And these norms, I am going to tell you how these norms are going to come to you like faith, like entire dependence on spirituality, entire dependence on your vibrations. All these norms of the new life, we have to accept. But to be achieved, I mean to say to be achieved, you see. Not just to be understood in a lecture. So I’ll tell you about that in the evening, and tomorrow I will tell you [about] the real becoming, alright? Thank you. May God bless you. Shri Mataji: Just go on saying, now are you opening? Sahaja Yogi: (inaudible] Shri Mataji: You do not want to assume your position, that’s the problem. Better? This is what I am saying, you see. It’s moving out. Just say that, “Nothing can happen. No bhoot can catch me. I can catch the bhoots.” That’s the truth. Douglas Fry: Lunch is served. Shri Mataji: Hah? Sahaja Yogini: Do you want to take your lunch in here? Shri Mataji: Or else? Sahaja Yogini: In the dining room. It’s very nice.. Shri Mataji: Nice or not, I will have it with you people.
5/18/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=4614	The Real Becoming, Seminar	England	Alresford	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	73	The Real Becoming Old Arlesford Seminar, Near Winchester, Hampshire, England, 1980 These mixtures, now think of it. This is only because I have given you birth. Nobody could have done before this, I tell you. You can cure others; you can give speeches on Sahaja Yoga. You can know your own problems; you can cure your own parents. You can cure your own surroundings. You can clean yourself and others. Only with Realization it starts. It’s all in a bundle. What a jump it is from the first awareness where it was just a desire and here you started. But all these things that were looking quite funny in the first one when you had desire, form a very subtler beautiful forms and they come into you. At this time, you do feel your chakras, their problems. You start again analysing them. The biggest problem in the West is they start analysing. You give them a cake, they’ll analyse it. Give them anything, they’ll analyse it. Analysis they think is the biggest thing and that’s how this analysis business is so maddening for them. Here it is they’re clinging on to their Realization, the other side is everything analysing. You see, the legs are analyzed, feet are analysed, nails are analysed, then they’re taken in the microscope and seen to. Here the legs are to be used for climbing up, and here you’re analysing the legs and the feet. See, the whole purpose is lost when you start identifying with whatever was hanging on to you. So now you should say, “Now finished, done! Now I’m another person.” The greatest thing is, in this awareness of yours when you are realized, you must accept that, that person who was there is dead and finished and gone. “I’m a different person.” Even that acceptance, people find it difficult because shri Ego is there. It doesn’t allow you. It says, “Oh God, how can that be? I mean to say that ‘I’m absolutely transformed.’ ” You are transformed absolutely. Can you imagine you can give Realization to people! You tell somebody, they’ll say, “Oh, I know this.” They’ll all run away! Nobody will believe. But you know you can give Realization. Nobody will believe. That Mahajan Yogi who gave you Realization, first he said, “Mother, how can it be?” He couldn’t believe that he could give Realization. Poor fellow has been working as a ‘yogi’ for so many years, he couldn’t believe it to begin with. Same fellow who has given Realization. Even if, I mean to believe that you can give Realization, it takes time for people. They cannot believe it. So, what have you to do about becoming? That is to at least believe – yes, you are giving Realization after all. You see it like a white cloth before you, still you say it is black Hurst Blue! So, these dealings with these ‘Hurst Blues’ is the worst case. You are giving Realization. See now, Ian, who is supposed to be going to a psychiatrist, he can give Realization to that psychiatrist! The doctor who is going to treat you, can give him Realization. Believe it, you can. But when he says this to him, he thinks, “Oh, he’s one of these!” But at least you believe into yourself. This is the place where you must have faith, this faith that you have got Realization through Sahaja Yoga. That it’s a tremendous power, and that there is All-Pervading Power which is absolutely dynamic, and that you have that power flowing through you, and that you are giving Realization, and that’s your Mother is something special. Faith, not faith because I’m saying because it’s blind, but you have seen it. But this is what it is! When you see it, also you don’t believe it, then what should I call it? You know for definite that this is happening but you don’t believe into it then what should I say? If you believe that it is so, that is faith. Imagine, faith means blindness. It’s opening your eyes much more to what it is and accepting that it is so. And then the faith must grow. At this stage, is the power of faith that helps you, nothing but power of faith. And power of faith is the greatest becoming power, I should say, because then you realize that whatever you had known so far has been of no value. This is something so great and so gigantic and so dynamic. It is something so much out of the blue which you have never known before, that you get really bewildered and then you start having faith. Now, then, when I say that you just put your hands like this and put a bandhan – it works, it does work. Then also you start seeing that when Mother does like this just to herself, we all feel it. When she blows on her hand then we start feeling it that we are in her and she is in us – and that we are aware of her wholesomeness and she is our wholesomeness. Then the faith starts growing. You cannot analyse it because this is beyond analysis, beyond thought. So, the surrendering starts. If you analyse now, you cannot. You cannot analyse it anymore. Only dead things you can analyse, living you cannot. And this is beyond living. The thing that gives life to living – this is what it is. So, you cannot analyse it. So, you start surrendering. When you start surrendering and the faith comes in then your awareness rises higher than this. And these small, small, little, little things which have become subtler, they start departing. This is the third state where your trigunas you can see, but they do not affect you. So, in the first state you have desire. In the second state, which is a very big thing, you see the desire being fulfilled but all these subtle things are mixed up. In the third state you see them, third stage, but they do not affect you. This is the third stage when one has to see that they do not affect you. You do see catching, but then you do not call ‘catching’, you say ‘recording’. You think you are an instrument, you are just recording. The effect of that becomes very small, very small. You become so powerful within that the effect of this catching is very little. You just record as an effect. This is the third state of your ascent aside yes keep it for a while, doesn’t matter, keep it with you. It’s alright. It’s alright keep it. Now this, at this third state. To rise up to this third state, the only way is complete faith. Faith is, first of all you have to learn certain things about faith: one of them is the protocol. But with faith, if you learn protocol, then you will not feel bad about it. But if you are forced onto it, you’ll feel bad. You see, the mixture state is still on. So to develop faith you have to first of all tell yourself rationally, clearly, “Don’t you see this is happening? Can’t you see this? Can’t you see it is rising? Can’t you understand?” Tell yourself. Isn’t it dynamic. Just sit down, think how wonderful it is, how great it is. Just talk to the trees, talk to the ocean, talk to flowers, talk to these walls, they are better than many human beings! And tell them, “Don’t you think so?” Go in the museum and tell all the statues, “I’ve found it, I’ve got it!” Tell yourself. You see, telling yourself, you’ll develop this faith. There’s no way out. Many people have asked me this question: “How to develop the faith?” Now, it is such a absurd thing. Here you are moving the Kundalini, you are giving Realization and turn round and ask, “Mother, how do we develop faith?” It is beyond me to understand that…I mean, what is happening here? Now what are you doing? This faith then starts encompassing also what I say: means absorbing, not criticizing, not repelling back, but absorbing it. This absorption can be hindered by many other ways also. Absorption is the only way you grow. How does a tree grow? By absorption. What is the mouth of absorption? Is Nirvichara. What is Nirvichara? Where you do not think about it. Now when I say you are not to think, at a lower stage, people will say, “Oh, you know, she’s very dominating, she’s very dominating, I must say!” This is the idea will come in. But absorption is only possible when you have the faith. And the whole thing goes into you. You just go on sucking it like a child. The whole thing goes into. Just like a lake which is without any ripple, it reflects the complete, entire creation in it, complete. If there are ripples, then there’s diffusion, there’s confusion. So this is the stage of faith which starts from the second to go to the third. For example now, we’ll take a simple case of my photograph. There were no photographs before. Only in My lifetime the photographs have started, for your information. This photography also you have developed yourself on your own. Of course, with the help of the Holy Ghost, no doubt, of course, that goes without saying. But, you have developed it. I myself did not know that, that this photograph will catch me so much. I did not know myself. You’ll be amazed, that I started seeing that these photographs are more powerful than a statue which is made according to what I was before. Because this is the present thing. This is how I’m existing. I was amazed myself that it is emitting vibrations and light, and that my photograph can act so well. You see the main problem was that, how to approach so many people? You can have, say, hundred Sahaja Yogis, you can have two hundred, you can have at the most two thousand. You see for these thugs it is very easy – you just have a registration, you fill the money and you’re there. But Sahaja Yoga is becoming, is awakening and Realization. How is it going to work out? It was a very big problem for me. It’s not that I can just give you a book and just sit and read it and say that, “Yes, I have got it, I have become.” It’s real becoming, ripening, maturing, living process. Now how am I to do it? And here is the answer – is a photograph. Then your TV, that’s also modern. Of course, the TV people have not allowed me to go on the screen, so far, but I’ve gone on the screen in India. Only in Poona, not here – rather difficult. First, let them have all the thugs, then I’ll go, that always has been. So this is what it is, that all your Medias can be used through my photograph. What a blessing it is! And the photograph, if you think, is representing Me, I think you are not expressing it fully. I was amazed that my photographs are much more powerful than any statues put together – even produced by Mother Earth! Because photograph has got so many elements in it. For example, you see, it has got light element, it has got water element, it has got earth element, it has got also air element. If the air is not all right, you cannot get a photograph. And also it has got the ether element. With all these five elements, you cannot produce a statue. Ether element it has got because if you have a photograph here, you can transcend it to any other place you can – what do you call that? – transmit it to any place. Photograph can be transmitted. But you cannot transmit the statue as it is anywhere, only the photograph of a statue you can. So it has also got ether element. So photograph is much more powerful than any other statue. Moreover, it is a reproduction, no doubt, but reproduction of reality, with five elements. So I shouldn’t call it just a representative, it’s quite me. Because my attention is there. We have experimented with this. The Sharayu Gadkary had a photograph of mine and her relation came to her and she used to mock at the photograph and say all kinds of things. She brought the photograph to me showing that it had become all dark, black. So I said, “Who was there?” She said, “It’s my, some relation who had come she used to do like this. It has become black.” I said, “You’d better put it in the sea now. My attention is not there, no vibrations. My attention has come away, receded from there, I can see that. You should not have put the photograph like that.” So there’s a very big difference between a statue and a photograph, because my attention is there. Of course, even the statues which are, I mean the ones which are Swayambhu, which are created by Mother Earth, also has vibrations and they also show that they have vibrations, but they cannot give you awakening of the Kundalini, because My photograph has got My desire, also, in it. They cannot. If they could have, Stonehenge would have. If you go to these statues, and if I am standing there, they emit no vibrations. Only you have to put one hand towards me and towards them, then they start emitting and then it starts. But you have to accept my permission. Even the statue you have got of Ganesha, now it’s all right, but in the beginning, it never used to give vibrations till it was worked out this way. But they do not lack authority. So the protocol of these photographs also is important to start developing that faith. You should keep one photograph with you all the time in your pocket. Respect it. As many as possible, respect them. Not for decoration, but to be respected. In the morning you see the photograph. Now I’m telling you because of faith problem. I have to tell it myself, the whole thing, that’s the worst part of this Incarnation is! Because other things you have done, for example, those who follow Christ, they will have His photograph in the morning. Especially if they are Hindus, then they’ll touch the feet morning time, evening time, before singing, going out, coming in, they’ll do that. In the same way, when you have a photograph, you work on that with that understanding, “It’s Mother’s with us.” You’ll be amazed how things work out. One of My nephews, Sarvesh, you know him. He is a great believer of Mother, that’s me, and he always carries a photograph with him. He lost his diamond ring in our train here in London and he came back. He said, “I know I’ll get it back because I had your photograph in my thing, it cannot be lost.” And he found it. Somebody deposited it in the police station and he found it, he got it. The credit goes to the honesty of British people, doesn’t matter. But what I’m saying, that that’s how you have to develop your faith and that love. Faith will help you, to just act as ointment on all these catches. You won’t be such a person all the time going like this “Oh, I’m catching, oooh, weeeaa, ooooh, weeeaa” You’ll be just seeing, you see, like an elephant walking and all the dogs barking at it, it just goes on. It’s like that. So the third awareness comes in where you start seeing all these, recording it. This is the third state. Then the fourth state comes in. In the fourth state, is called as the Turya Dasha, is the fourth state. Yogi: Can you repeat that Mother? Shri Mataji: pardon? Yogi: What did you say? Shri Mataji: Turya – is the fourth state. In the fourth state you dominate these three gunas. You control all the elements. At this stage, you just say and it works. You have seen yesterday what happened with me. It just works. You become master of these three gunas. Like I used to describe that: first you are sitting in the car and somebody’s driving you. He uses your left and right side, or you can say, the brake and accelerator, and the car is driven. Then he starts teaching you how to drive. Then you start learning by using your left and right – accelerator and your brake. Then the third stage comes in where you become a driver but still you are worried about the master who is sitting behind, that still you are doing a mistake, you are doing wrong. But then the fourth stage come, you become the master, you make others drive. Order here, anyone, order the Sun, order the Moon, order. Order means just tell them, I mean not question of any domination is there. Just desire it, just say it, it works out. Now this fourth stage is called as Turya Dasha. Then comes the fifth stage in which, I don’t want to give you names you’ll stick on to those. They are not so clear cut, they mingle from each other you see, and they are mixtures. But in Turya state when you mature properly then you jump into the fifth state, in which you do not even, you do 'sankalpa' [act by will], you do not even determine or say anything. You just, anything slips out of your mouth, may not even slip out, it works. Is a state. Where you handle the whole situation, sitting down here. Sitting down here, you know each and every thing. Then not only you mastered it but in that you can enter into it. Now, for example, I’ll tell you what: I can enter into your subconscious, into your collective subconscious, into your supraconscious, into all the areas, you see, I can go, if I want to. This is when you have mastered it completely, then you enter into it. When you are the master then you enter into it. When you are master of this house you can enter into any place. Then comes the seventh state and that is the state where you, just you are. Your being there is sufficient. Just being there. Nothing exists but you – for yourself. Now all these seven states you can reach because I stand beyond them and I have come down to the first state and I’m trying to pull you out. If you do not drag me down I can pull you up very fast. So only request is don’t drag me down. That’s how the becoming is going to be. Now this is the basics, you can call the basic structure. Now you are filling all the beautiful things in between – how to do it. And all the things can be nicely, again, arranged and re-decorated and can be done properly. But this is the basic structure of becoming. Now do not try to fix up yourself at this stage or that stage because that’s very common with people who are still thinking about it. Then, “Mother, at what stage I am?” It is, you see, it’s common in you. When you grow yourself, it will happen to you. You don’t have to determine anything. It should happen to you, that’s all. Allow it to grow. Allow it to grow. But at least you are at a place where you are doubtlessly aware, most of you. But still I would say the basic desire is still not that strong. The force of Kundalini is not that strong, the basic desire is not. That should be cleared out. You see, sometimes it happens the house can be demolished because basics are not all right. Sometimes in the basics there are mistakes. So you go down into yourself, dive down, and find out. “Oh, this is the still there.” Take it out. You have to weed out these things. And that weeding out requires real alertness. But don’t get into self-pity or don’t get into, what you call this ‘guilt’ business. But a very positive attitude towards yourself that, “All right, that’s my car, I have to put it right.” Even if you become the master of the car and the car is useless, what’s the use? Desire is the car. Kundalini, Kundalini is that desire. If your Kundalini is weak, try to sustain it, try to improve it, try to raise it, Feed it. Feed your Kundalini with desires of becoming. You neutralize all other desires with one desire. Before you say something, think of it, what are you saying? Are you saying of one desire? You have the greatest fortune that you have someone here who loves you very much and who can give you all this. You are extremely fortunate people. So make use of it. May God bless you. But at this stage, where you are, you have to develop faith. All of you require more faith and more faith, that’s all. And as soon as this faith – this is the source, this is how you absorb, this is the sap in you which is going to grow this tree. More faith and more faith and more faith. Because you have crossed the limit of doubts now, so the faith is going to work it out. We have time for mantras. Sahaja Yogi: And you can see where they’re sitting on this. Every thought we have moves around and you can see every thought we’re having by … by me saying that you can see that it’s sitting there. Shri Mataji: If you see the bhoots sitting there, just get rid of them – very simple. You just tell them, “In the name of Mataji, get out!” All right? And they’ll all take a flight. But when you say that “in the name,” what is the strength of your faith in that name? What is your authority? Do you see my point? Sahaja Yogini: Desire, that’s to pull us up. You say ‘you have one desire’. Shri Mataji: It’s also your desire. You see, it’s only your desire. I have no desire. It’s your desire; it is like your good will has come as your Mother, all right? Your highest Self has come as your Mother. That’s also your own. When I say that, “I want to pull you out”, I mean that’s your desire is, that’s why. If you do not have this desire, I’ll not do it, all right? If you don’t want, I’ll not do it.Sahaja Yogini: No, I do! Sahaja Yogini: Mother, what did you mean when you said, “Please don’t pull me down” or something like that?Shri Mataji: No, no you drag me down in the sense, that you see the pressure I have to put in to bring you up, you see? And while you have still your attention into something old. So, when somebody’s trying to take you out of that, try to disentangle yourself. Because then you drag down the effort of the person who’s trying to take you out. Do you see my point? Because I’m attached to you and you have loads, so drop them! All right? No? Are you better now Ian? It is only going to work out how much faith you have. Faith is the only word you have which is not good as ‘Shraddha’ is. So, I must use the word ‘faith’. Faith is the recognition – that’s why. Give them also one paper. You all share it. Come along what about you share it	null	null	null	The Real Becoming Old Arlesford Seminar, Near Winchester, Hampshire, England, 1980 These mixtures, now think of it. This is only because I have given you birth. Nobody could have done before this, I tell you. You can cure others; you can give speeches on Sahaja Yoga. You can know your own problems; you can cure your own parents. You can cure your own surroundings. You can clean yourself and others. Only with Realization it starts. It’s all in a bundle. What a jump it is from the first awareness where it was just a desire and here you started. But all these things that were looking quite funny in the first one when you had desire, form a very subtler beautiful forms and they come into you. At this time, you do feel your chakras, their problems. You start again analysing them. The biggest problem in the West is they start analysing. You give them a cake, they’ll analyse it. Give them anything, they’ll analyse it. Analysis they think is the biggest thing and that’s how this analysis business is so maddening for them. Here it is they’re clinging on to their Realization, the other side is everything analysing. You see, the legs are analyzed, feet are analysed, nails are analysed, then they’re taken in the microscope and seen to. Here the legs are to be used for climbing up, and here you’re analysing the legs and the feet. See, the whole purpose is lost when you start identifying with whatever was hanging on to you. So now you should say, “Now finished, done! Now I’m another person.” The greatest thing is, in this awareness of yours when you are realized, you must accept that, that person who was there is dead and finished and gone. “I’m a different person.” Even that acceptance, people find it difficult because shri Ego is there. It doesn’t allow you. It says, “Oh God, how can that be? I mean to say that ‘I’m absolutely transformed.’ ” You are transformed absolutely. Can you imagine you can give Realization to people! You tell somebody, they’ll say, “Oh, I know this.” They’ll all run away! Nobody will believe. But you know you can give Realization. Nobody will believe. That Mahajan Yogi who gave you Realization, first he said, “Mother, how can it be?” He couldn’t believe that he could give Realization. Poor fellow has been working as a ‘yogi’ for so many years, he couldn’t believe it to begin with. Same fellow who has given Realization. Even if, I mean to believe that you can give Realization, it takes time for people. They cannot believe it. So, what have you to do about becoming? That is to at least believe – yes, you are giving Realization after all. You see it like a white cloth before you, still you say it is black Hurst Blue! So, these dealings with these ‘Hurst Blues’ is the worst case. You are giving Realization. See now, Ian, who is supposed to be going to a psychiatrist, he can give Realization to that psychiatrist! The doctor who is going to treat you, can give him Realization. Believe it, you can. But when he says this to him, he thinks, “Oh, he’s one of these!” But at least you believe into yourself. This is the place where you must have faith, this faith that you have got Realization through Sahaja Yoga. That it’s a tremendous power, and that there is All-Pervading Power which is absolutely dynamic, and that you have that power flowing through you, and that you are giving Realization, and that’s your Mother is something special. Faith, not faith because I’m saying because it’s blind, but you have seen it. But this is what it is! When you see it, also you don’t believe it, then what should I call it? You know for definite that this is happening but you don’t believe into it then what should I say? If you believe that it is so, that is faith. Imagine, faith means blindness. It’s opening your eyes much more to what it is and accepting that it is so. And then the faith must grow. At this stage, is the power of faith that helps you, nothing but power of faith. And power of faith is the greatest becoming power, I should say, because then you realize that whatever you had known so far has been of no value. This is something so great and so gigantic and so dynamic. It is something so much out of the blue which you have never known before, that you get really bewildered and then you start having faith. Now, then, when I say that you just put your hands like this and put a bandhan – it works, it does work. Then also you start seeing that when Mother does like this just to herself, we all feel it. When she blows on her hand then we start feeling it that we are in her and she is in us – and that we are aware of her wholesomeness and she is our wholesomeness. Then the faith starts growing. You cannot analyse it because this is beyond analysis, beyond thought. So, the surrendering starts. If you analyse now, you cannot. You cannot analyse it anymore. Only dead things you can analyse, living you cannot. And this is beyond living. The thing that gives life to living – this is what it is. So, you cannot analyse it. So, you start surrendering. When you start surrendering and the faith comes in then your awareness rises higher than this. And these small, small, little, little things which have become subtler, they start departing. This is the third state where your trigunas you can see, but they do not affect you. So, in the first state you have desire. In the second state, which is a very big thing, you see the desire being fulfilled but all these subtle things are mixed up. In the third state you see them, third stage, but they do not affect you. This is the third stage when one has to see that they do not affect you. You do see catching, but then you do not call ‘catching’, you say ‘recording’. You think you are an instrument, you are just recording. The effect of that becomes very small, very small. You become so powerful within that the effect of this catching is very little. You just record as an effect. This is the third state of your ascent aside yes keep it for a while, doesn’t matter, keep it with you. It’s alright. It’s alright keep it. Now this, at this third state. To rise up to this third state, the only way is complete faith. Faith is, first of all you have to learn certain things about faith: one of them is the protocol. But with faith, if you learn protocol, then you will not feel bad about it. But if you are forced onto it, you’ll feel bad. You see, the mixture state is still on. So to develop faith you have to first of all tell yourself rationally, clearly, “Don’t you see this is happening? Can’t you see this? Can’t you see it is rising? Can’t you understand?” Tell yourself. Isn’t it dynamic. Just sit down, think how wonderful it is, how great it is. Just talk to the trees, talk to the ocean, talk to flowers, talk to these walls, they are better than many human beings! And tell them, “Don’t you think so?” Go in the museum and tell all the statues, “I’ve found it, I’ve got it!” Tell yourself. You see, telling yourself, you’ll develop this faith. There’s no way out. Many people have asked me this question: “How to develop the faith?” Now, it is such a absurd thing. Here you are moving the Kundalini, you are giving Realization and turn round and ask, “Mother, how do we develop faith?” It is beyond me to understand that…I mean, what is happening here? Now what are you doing? This faith then starts encompassing also what I say: means absorbing, not criticizing, not repelling back, but absorbing it. This absorption can be hindered by many other ways also. Absorption is the only way you grow. How does a tree grow? By absorption. What is the mouth of absorption? Is Nirvichara. What is Nirvichara? Where you do not think about it. Now when I say you are not to think, at a lower stage, people will say, “Oh, you know, she’s very dominating, she’s very dominating, I must say!” This is the idea will come in. But absorption is only possible when you have the faith. And the whole thing goes into you. You just go on sucking it like a child. The whole thing goes into. Just like a lake which is without any ripple, it reflects the complete, entire creation in it, complete. If there are ripples, then there’s diffusion, there’s confusion. So this is the stage of faith which starts from the second to go to the third. For example now, we’ll take a simple case of my photograph. There were no photographs before. Only in My lifetime the photographs have started, for your information. This photography also you have developed yourself on your own. Of course, with the help of the Holy Ghost, no doubt, of course, that goes without saying. But, you have developed it. I myself did not know that, that this photograph will catch me so much. I did not know myself. You’ll be amazed, that I started seeing that these photographs are more powerful than a statue which is made according to what I was before. Because this is the present thing. This is how I’m existing. I was amazed myself that it is emitting vibrations and light, and that my photograph can act so well. You see the main problem was that, how to approach so many people? You can have, say, hundred Sahaja Yogis, you can have two hundred, you can have at the most two thousand. You see for these thugs it is very easy – you just have a registration, you fill the money and you’re there. But Sahaja Yoga is becoming, is awakening and Realization. How is it going to work out? It was a very big problem for me. It’s not that I can just give you a book and just sit and read it and say that, “Yes, I have got it, I have become.” It’s real becoming, ripening, maturing, living process. Now how am I to do it? And here is the answer – is a photograph. Then your TV, that’s also modern. Of course, the TV people have not allowed me to go on the screen, so far, but I’ve gone on the screen in India. Only in Poona, not here – rather difficult. First, let them have all the thugs, then I’ll go, that always has been. So this is what it is, that all your Medias can be used through my photograph. What a blessing it is! And the photograph, if you think, is representing Me, I think you are not expressing it fully. I was amazed that my photographs are much more powerful than any statues put together – even produced by Mother Earth! Because photograph has got so many elements in it. For example, you see, it has got light element, it has got water element, it has got earth element, it has got also air element. If the air is not all right, you cannot get a photograph. And also it has got the ether element. With all these five elements, you cannot produce a statue. Ether element it has got because if you have a photograph here, you can transcend it to any other place you can – what do you call that? – transmit it to any place. Photograph can be transmitted. But you cannot transmit the statue as it is anywhere, only the photograph of a statue you can. So it has also got ether element. So photograph is much more powerful than any other statue. Moreover, it is a reproduction, no doubt, but reproduction of reality, with five elements. So I shouldn’t call it just a representative, it’s quite me. Because my attention is there. We have experimented with this. The Sharayu Gadkary had a photograph of mine and her relation came to her and she used to mock at the photograph and say all kinds of things. She brought the photograph to me showing that it had become all dark, black. So I said, “Who was there?” She said, “It’s my, some relation who had come she used to do like this. It has become black.” I said, “You’d better put it in the sea now. My attention is not there, no vibrations. My attention has come away, receded from there, I can see that. You should not have put the photograph like that.” So there’s a very big difference between a statue and a photograph, because my attention is there. Of course, even the statues which are, I mean the ones which are Swayambhu, which are created by Mother Earth, also has vibrations and they also show that they have vibrations, but they cannot give you awakening of the Kundalini, because My photograph has got My desire, also, in it. They cannot. If they could have, Stonehenge would have. If you go to these statues, and if I am standing there, they emit no vibrations. Only you have to put one hand towards me and towards them, then they start emitting and then it starts. But you have to accept my permission. Even the statue you have got of Ganesha, now it’s all right, but in the beginning, it never used to give vibrations till it was worked out this way. But they do not lack authority. So the protocol of these photographs also is important to start developing that faith. You should keep one photograph with you all the time in your pocket. Respect it. As many as possible, respect them. Not for decoration, but to be respected. In the morning you see the photograph. Now I’m telling you because of faith problem. I have to tell it myself, the whole thing, that’s the worst part of this Incarnation is! Because other things you have done, for example, those who follow Christ, they will have His photograph in the morning. Especially if they are Hindus, then they’ll touch the feet morning time, evening time, before singing, going out, coming in, they’ll do that. In the same way, when you have a photograph, you work on that with that understanding, “It’s Mother’s with us.” You’ll be amazed how things work out. One of My nephews, Sarvesh, you know him. He is a great believer of Mother, that’s me, and he always carries a photograph with him. He lost his diamond ring in our train here in London and he came back. He said, “I know I’ll get it back because I had your photograph in my thing, it cannot be lost.” And he found it. Somebody deposited it in the police station and he found it, he got it. The credit goes to the honesty of British people, doesn’t matter. But what I’m saying, that that’s how you have to develop your faith and that love. Faith will help you, to just act as ointment on all these catches. You won’t be such a person all the time going like this “Oh, I’m catching, oooh, weeeaa, ooooh, weeeaa” You’ll be just seeing, you see, like an elephant walking and all the dogs barking at it, it just goes on. It’s like that. So the third awareness comes in where you start seeing all these, recording it. This is the third state. Then the fourth state comes in. In the fourth state, is called as the Turya Dasha, is the fourth state. Yogi: Can you repeat that Mother? Shri Mataji: pardon? Yogi: What did you say? Shri Mataji: Turya – is the fourth state. In the fourth state you dominate these three gunas. You control all the elements. At this stage, you just say and it works. You have seen yesterday what happened with me. It just works. You become master of these three gunas. Like I used to describe that: first you are sitting in the car and somebody’s driving you. He uses your left and right side, or you can say, the brake and accelerator, and the car is driven. Then he starts teaching you how to drive. Then you start learning by using your left and right – accelerator and your brake. Then the third stage comes in where you become a driver but still you are worried about the master who is sitting behind, that still you are doing a mistake, you are doing wrong. But then the fourth stage come, you become the master, you make others drive. Order here, anyone, order the Sun, order the Moon, order. Order means just tell them, I mean not question of any domination is there. Just desire it, just say it, it works out. Now this fourth stage is called as Turya Dasha. Then comes the fifth stage in which, I don’t want to give you names you’ll stick on to those. They are not so clear cut, they mingle from each other you see, and they are mixtures. But in Turya state when you mature properly then you jump into the fifth state, in which you do not even, you do 'sankalpa' [act by will], you do not even determine or say anything. You just, anything slips out of your mouth, may not even slip out, it works. Is a state. Where you handle the whole situation, sitting down here. Sitting down here, you know each and every thing. Then not only you mastered it but in that you can enter into it. Now, for example, I’ll tell you what: I can enter into your subconscious, into your collective subconscious, into your supraconscious, into all the areas, you see, I can go, if I want to. This is when you have mastered it completely, then you enter into it. When you are the master then you enter into it. When you are master of this house you can enter into any place. Then comes the seventh state and that is the state where you, just you are. Your being there is sufficient. Just being there. Nothing exists but you – for yourself. Now all these seven states you can reach because I stand beyond them and I have come down to the first state and I’m trying to pull you out. If you do not drag me down I can pull you up very fast. So only request is don’t drag me down. That’s how the becoming is going to be. Now this is the basics, you can call the basic structure. Now you are filling all the beautiful things in between – how to do it. And all the things can be nicely, again, arranged and re-decorated and can be done properly. But this is the basic structure of becoming. Now do not try to fix up yourself at this stage or that stage because that’s very common with people who are still thinking about it. Then, “Mother, at what stage I am?” It is, you see, it’s common in you. When you grow yourself, it will happen to you. You don’t have to determine anything. It should happen to you, that’s all. Allow it to grow. Allow it to grow. But at least you are at a place where you are doubtlessly aware, most of you. But still I would say the basic desire is still not that strong. The force of Kundalini is not that strong, the basic desire is not. That should be cleared out. You see, sometimes it happens the house can be demolished because basics are not all right. Sometimes in the basics there are mistakes. So you go down into yourself, dive down, and find out. “Oh, this is the still there.” Take it out. You have to weed out these things. And that weeding out requires real alertness. But don’t get into self-pity or don’t get into, what you call this ‘guilt’ business. But a very positive attitude towards yourself that, “All right, that’s my car, I have to put it right.” Even if you become the master of the car and the car is useless, what’s the use? Desire is the car. Kundalini, Kundalini is that desire. If your Kundalini is weak, try to sustain it, try to improve it, try to raise it, Feed it. Feed your Kundalini with desires of becoming. You neutralize all other desires with one desire. Before you say something, think of it, what are you saying? Are you saying of one desire? You have the greatest fortune that you have someone here who loves you very much and who can give you all this. You are extremely fortunate people. So make use of it. May God bless you. But at this stage, where you are, you have to develop faith. All of you require more faith and more faith, that’s all. And as soon as this faith – this is the source, this is how you absorb, this is the sap in you which is going to grow this tree. More faith and more faith and more faith. Because you have crossed the limit of doubts now, so the faith is going to work it out. We have time for mantras. Sahaja Yogi: And you can see where they’re sitting on this. Every thought we have moves around and you can see every thought we’re having by … by me saying that you can see that it’s sitting there. Shri Mataji: If you see the bhoots sitting there, just get rid of them – very simple. You just tell them, “In the name of Mataji, get out!” All right? And they’ll all take a flight. But when you say that “in the name,” what is the strength of your faith in that name? What is your authority? Do you see my point? Sahaja Yogini: Desire, that’s to pull us up. You say ‘you have one desire’. Shri Mataji: It’s also your desire. You see, it’s only your desire. I have no desire. It’s your desire; it is like your good will has come as your Mother, all right? Your highest Self has come as your Mother. That’s also your own. When I say that, “I want to pull you out”, I mean that’s your desire is, that’s why. If you do not have this desire, I’ll not do it, all right? If you don’t want, I’ll not do it.Sahaja Yogini: No, I do! Sahaja Yogini: Mother, what did you mean when you said, “Please don’t pull me down” or something like that?Shri Mataji: No, no you drag me down in the sense, that you see the pressure I have to put in to bring you up, you see? And while you have still your attention into something old. So, when somebody’s trying to take you out of that, try to disentangle yourself. Because then you drag down the effort of the person who’s trying to take you out. Do you see my point? Because I’m attached to you and you have loads, so drop them! All right? No? Are you better now Ian? It is only going to work out how much faith you have. Faith is the only word you have which is not good as ‘Shraddha’ is. So, I must use the word ‘faith’. Faith is the recognition – that’s why. Give them also one paper. You all share it. Come along what about you share it
5/26/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=4616	Attention	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	75	Attention. Dollis Hill, London (England), 26 May 1980. Today I am going to talk to you about attention: what is attention, what is the movement of attention and what are the ways and methods of raising our attention. Keep it in broad ways. Alright? But when I am saying all these things you must know that I am talking to you individually - it’s not about others. Always the first thing human beings do is, when I am speaking to you, you try to find out about who Mataji is speaking! This is the best way of putting your attention onto something else. If you put your attention to yourself that, “This is for me and me and me alone,” then it will have an effect, because these [words of mine] are mantras. And that’s why it is wasted because whatever is given to you is thrown onto another person. So the attention, that you have, is the only way to know the reality. Your own attention is important, not the attention of others or your attention on others! This must be clearly understood. If you understand this point that the whole thing is to be consumed by you, through your attention to raise yourself to a higher situation, it will work out. Otherwise, it is like giving food to you and going to another person who is getting nourished, while you are getting nothing. And that person also may not be able get nourished, because he doesn't know that you are throwing it to that person. So today, as I am going to speak to you about attention, you should know that your attention should absorb all that I am saying. It is not meant for anybody else. You better sit in thoughtless awareness, that's the best way, so that it goes into you. Otherwise it's like a lecture, you know. That you listen to me has no effect. Every lecture will transform you because, after all, I am speaking. But because you always think of others and you think of your problems all the time - something nonsensical is going on, about which you are worried - and the attention is so overloaded that whatever is said to you doesn't go into you. So, just now, utilise it by being attentive and knowing that all these nonsensical things have no value. It’s your attention that has to come up and has to grow. So, attention is the whole of the canvas of your being - is a complete canvas, is the attention. Complete canvas of your being is the attention. How much you have gone into it, how much you have discovered it, how far you have raised it is a different point. Attention is chitta and God is attention. How far your attention has been enlightened is a different point. But your attention is God - if you become enlightened to that extent. It is like a canvas. You can say it is like a canvas which is spread out for a film, and whatever aptitudes or, you can say, the drags or movements, your attention has, shows on that canvas. I don't know what is the word for ‘vritti’ in English language. It's not aptitude, but a person gets prone to, or his attention is dragged to - I don't know [if] there is a word like that in English language - vritti. Can you suggest any word? So our attention is just a pure, completely pure canvas and is acted upon by the three gunas we have, to begin with. And the three gunas come to you, as you know, one from your past, one from your future sense and one from the present. Now, whatever have been your experiences about a particular thing or a particular occasion, so far, is completely recorded in your memory. For example, if you see the black colour: all that goes with the black colour is recorded in your memory. As soon as you see this black colour, quite a lot of it comes up. That means, as soon as you see this with your attention, the attention gets muddled up, or you can say the attention gets coloured with all the memories about this black colour. And then your action takes place according to the way your attention is affected. For example, just now something was burned by these flames. Now, all of you became aware of it. Next time whenever you will see a flame, first thing [that] will happen will be that you will be cautious about it. It is not going to happen again, but the whole memory will come to you and you will try to be cautious or warn others, because your attention will become aware of that as soon as you will see that, because that canvas of your attention itself will start throwing out these pictures, out of itself, through your past experiences, on to the canvas. This is a living canvas. Or may be that if you have got some ideas which you have premeditated, or thought of, of the future. For example, you must have thought of somebody that, “If I meet that man I will tell him like this.” As soon as you will meet that man, your attention will start bubbling out with those ideas that are coming about this man, and you will start addressing to him accordingly. It's all stored up within you, whether it is about the future or about the past. It’s given out of the attention through that bubbling process which depends on your dragging nature, where are you dragged. That's called as vritti, but I don't know what you call it in English language. I do not know what is the, what you are prone to (tendency). Vritti is a very neutral word. It doesn't mean anything bad. It means where you are drawn to. Vritti means a temperament by which you are drawn to. And whatever is your temperament, it acts like that. For example, if you see a man walking, say, blindly - he cannot see things - one person may get angry with that person, another may have pity for that person, third may come forward to help him out. It’s the vritti, it’s the temperament, that you have developed through your three gunas. That's why this attention becomes identified with you. And when you are identified with this, your vritti, your temperaments, then you are still in a misidentified area. Let us take a case of somebody who has been possessed before. Now, coming to Sahaja Yoga his possession goes away. But the memory remains in the brain that he was possessed. And [if] the memory is stronger in a person, left side is stronger, then that memory lingers on, and as soon as that person comes in contact with anyone which has got something to do with the past possession, it clicks. And the whole thing starts coming into you bubbling out and you think you are again possessed. It is the memory which gives you [this reaction]. It's a myth. It's the memory that tells you, “Oh, you are again possessed!” Because your left side is weak, means you always live in your memory. Your memory is stronger than yourself. If you could make yourself stronger than your memory, nothing can possess you. But after you get your Realisation, you are not still identified with that state of mind in which you see your ego and superego as myths. Still you get caught up into your ego and superego, and that's why your attention is still in a mess. In a pure simple way of attention in an innocent child, he sees everything in pratyaksha, means in actual experiencing of something - for a child - because he has no memory. So he'll have to burn his hand to feel that this burns. He has to touch something cold to know that it is cold. His memory is not yet built up. So into the actual experiencing of it he lives. But that actual experiencing becomes memory. And once the memory is built up stronger, the whole personality is affected by memory. All the conditioning of all kinds come through that; your reading, even the whole atmosphere can come to you. You see, sometimes you smell a particular soap, or say a rose, you smell it - then all the memories of smelling such a rose, sometimes, comes to you and you may feel really elated sometimes, maybe sometimes, maybe, or sometimes very unhappy, whatever may be the situation. So you may feel happy or unhappy. Because, whatever experiences you have had, has given you a memory. This memory might have given you a superego, or might have given you a ego. This scanning might have taken place. If it has been a ego and a superego, then may be that, if it was ego you must have felt happy. If it is satisfying to your ego you feel very happy. If it is not, if it is superego, if you are suppressed by this, then you feel very unhappy. So both things like happiness or unhappiness are the states where you are still in the myth, still the myth exists. You have to still go beyond. So if you feel happy about some situation, you should know you are only happy before Realisation, because it is giving some support to your ego to bloat. And if you are unhappy, then you should know that there is some sort of a suppression on your ego and there's a superego developing. So both the situations have been of no help to you, of no help to you for your growth, except that both these institutions develop so much that you are away from the real experiencing. The real experiencing stops because your attention is so much muddled up. So on one side if you move - on the left hand side - your attention is muddled up with fear, with pain, with unhappiness, with hopelessness, dejection. The other side, if you indulge too much on to the right hand side - little bit also - you start getting elated, excited, over-dominating. The colour of the left side is blue. And the blue colour starts changing to the black. While on the right hand side it is, to begin with, yellow, light yellow or you can say golden, then yellow, then orange and then red. So you go to aggression on the right hand side. On the left hand side you go into a complete state of entropy, you can call it, or a state where you are separated from yourself into a complete frozen state. So [on] one side you become completely frozen, on the other side you become completely heated up. Both these things are, again, movement on the wrong direction. Even in the centre when the attention is kept - that you keep your attention more in the centre - there also, because it's a very sensitive point, it doesn't stay there. For example, when we, say, use fire, we can use it for burning the house. In the same way we can use it for creating smoke. But we can also use this fire in its proper way, if we use it, in its proper proportion, for cooking the food [or] for giving us light. If it is too much, it can burn like a big fire. If it is too little, it can burn like smoke. But in the centre when you know how to balance it, then you can use it for your own purpose - for cooking or for giving light, and then for a puja too. So in the same way when we really balance our gunas properly, then we become gradually the master of the whole situation. The attention doesn't get dragged into things that we have been doing or that we have understood through our memories or through our experiences or whatever it is, and is not also dragged towards, too much, on the right hand side that we try to overpower, or try to dominate someone. Because if you move too much that side you have seen [that] it becomes blood. It is difficult for people to understand how, when people become very religious-minded, like now Iran, the movement is on the right - all the austerities, all that, everything - now bloodshed. Christians also did the same. Brahmins did the same in India. Buddhists did the same, even [though] they talked of nonviolence they got to bloodshed, because movement started [on the] right hand side. Left hand side movement will take you to very sly and dark methods. So right-handed sided people - like big nations who are supposed to be developed nations - they justify war. “We must have weapons to face each other.” But you all, each other, are the same people from God's point of view! Why are you fighting? When God asks you, “Why are you fighting, what is the need? Why don't you sit down properly and listen to each other? What are you fighting about? You are fighting about land. Is it your father's land? It belongs to God! God has created this land. Why are you fighting?” But your attention is such that immediately you think, “Oh, this is my land, this is my motherland, this is my fatherland, this is my brotherland.” But what about your land which is within you? It's not your own! So if you go on telling these people that we should have no war they will not listen. Realisation is the only way. By Realisation your attention gets higher and gets separated from that strata from where these things bubble in. Do you understand my point now? The strata goes higher, the attention goes higher, at a higher state. By right side movement you get vikshepa, confusion. First you get confusion. Every intellectual, whatever brilliant he may be, he is confused. And the more confused he is, the more he asserts himself because he is confused, he’s not sure of himself, so he asserts, “This is the thing; this is the thing.” I mean, if it is so, why should you assert it? But he goes on asserting, “This is the thing!” Then understand that now he is going towards lunatic asylum - absolutely! And the way he asserts, and goes on talking about it, all the time, that means he is not sure. He becomes like a possessed personality. When he explains everything through his brains that “This is the thing. This is correct. We must all do, this is what…” and he convinces many others who are confused like him. They depend on him. He becomes a leader because, you see, they are much more confused and they find somebody who is not so much confused outwardly [so] they stick on to him, and all of them get to war or some sort of a bloodshed or some sort of - they want to see blood. They become heartless, passionless, compassionless, you can say - compassionless, loveless people. The other movement is the blue side, is like the blue moonlight. So, for the romanticism starts. Sitting in the moonlight, you see! The ideas start coming from Lord Byron (laughter). And they come into your attention - then it becomes very strong passion with you. You think, “Oh, I am still, I have to find out my loves!” And you go on in search of your loves and this and that. These things are not really giving joy. That's why so many poems have been written that, “Love is the most painful thing, it’s worse than death,” and all sorts of poems are written like that so why did you get into it? I mean, it's already written down, books after books, still why do you get into it? (laughing) You are already warned about it that, “Don’t go after love, love is deception, love is this, that, it is very temporary, it is for the little while you get that.” By chance, if somebody could stop at a point by marrying somebody who is sweet enough and realise that love and marriage and all these things are in the centre, are like the fire in the kitchen, are like the fire in the temple: looks after it and doesn't overdo something about it. Then may be that this maybe utilised. In the same way the right side movement of the Sun line. If people think that, yes, the sun is important, we have to have sun in the house, but you are not to become naked and insult the Sun and get your skin cancer! Sun is not for your skin cancer! But if you overdo it, also it is dangerous. A person who exposes himself too much to planning and doing that, and doing this, and doing all this, can land up into very great difficulties. So you have to balance that side also and this side and you have to be in the centre, in the equilibrium. Now this word ‘equilibrium’ doesn't exist in our day-to-day life. It exists only in the fiction or may be in the so-called scientific research. But as far as human beings are concerned, they do not know what is equilibrium is. Because of this, the attention, though after Realisation comes up, still on the sides they just go down, this side or that side according to your vrittis. And when these identifications still act in them, they are prone to go down again in their attention and again start bubbling out the same thing as they had. Now one has to become lighter in one's own mind and should think that, “We have dropped all that now why are we there?” One should become lighter with all that load flowing out, because you are here to raise your attention higher and higher so that you come up to a point where you become one with the attention of God. Already your attention is sparkled because through your attention you can see what's wrong with you, you can see what's wrong with others and you can see how far you are going with yourself. But the progress is retarded because you do not know that this attention is pure form and all that you get into this attention is a mythical stuff, is a myth. If you drop this myth gradually, treat everything as a myth and not depend on becoming unhappy or happy - just seeing the thing - [then] your attention will take a flight and it will be at a much higher level residing there. Instead of that, every moment you go this way or that way - it goes on like that - and the movement upwards is much less. Even in Sattvoguna, when you rise, you can go much worse in that condition also. For example, if you say that, “I am trying to be Sattwoguni.” In Sattwoguni it is that you start seeing everything, discriminating through your understanding - not through vibrations - through understanding: “Oh! Should we not somehow or the other take out our attention from here?” “Should we not give up this?” “Should we be charitable?” “Should we go and serve the people?” There are people who think, “Oh, we are going to do something great!” - like your Salvation Army. Let them be salvaged by themselves! I don't know what salvation they are going to do. So these ideas - ideas, I am saying - of Sattvoguna, can also immobilise you and can really freeze you down once for all, and that also can work in you in such a sly manner, we can say, in such a secretive manner, that you won't feel it. All these ideas of helping others, being charitable, “Let's have a charity association!” - finished! Once you work in a charity association, your attention is finished there. But if your attention goes higher - say [as] my attention is. I am only nothing but charity! I mean what am I? It just flows. You just become the charity. So the difference between a person who is a realised and a not realised is this that the attention which was giving myth as reality to you is gone now, is gone higher. It can see that it is myth. Attention can clearly see that it is myth, and you can see that yourself and you can remove yourself from them. That, of course, I have to give you a push, no doubt, and I am working hard on that to give you a push. But you should also know that mythical things must be dropped out, otherwise you will not grow. All mythical things must be dropped out. And the best way to do it is to be in thoughtless awareness because as soon as you transcend these three gunas you become thoughtlessly aware. You have to cross Agnya. Once you cross Agnya, these three gunas, absolutely you go into a state where you are gunateet, you are beyond gunas. So you do not deliberately do anything, but it just works out. But analysis is one of the diseases of the West. What are you analysing? What are you analysing? You ask yourself. I feel like laughing at the whole analysis that goes on. See, they’ll sit down, take out a hair, splitting the hair into hundred! And great analysers are sitting down there! They cannot even say how the chromosomes have that spindle action and, I mean at that minute level the things are worked out. They cannot say how a cell divides. What are they analysing sitting down here? Now, they have analysed for a purpose - also done for God. Through their analysis now my things are recorded. Through their analysis I can go to the TV, if they allow me any time, because of analysis [it] doesn't fit into me, they won't allow, they may not, it might be expedited. But say, for example, if you had not discovered these things - for example take it like that - and the science was not discovered, your attention would have been at least better off. Because of science, your attention is also very much in confusion. So I don't know which one to praise, whether the science or the primitiveness. When you raised yourself to science also, you got to another extreme as usual. Till you burnt out your complete attention, you were not satisfied. I mean if you had kept your balance in science also it would have helped, but the balance was lost there. Give anything to human beings and they know how to make the worst out of it. They will go to the extreme. You give them a horse, they cannot go ordinary trotting or galloping, they must have a double gallop, till they fall and die! Everything you see, they just are on the run all the time. So first thing is needed is to steady down yourself and tell yourself that, “Now all these mythical things I am not going to allow to come to my attention.” All these things are nothing but myths. But you are giving too much importance to myths. You are taking them bit so seriously. They are just mythical. Now, I mean, when you are realised now you laugh at people who just go mad over say, a moonlit night. Alright? But ask the fellow who is doing that, he’ll say, “You are heartless, you have no feelings!” (laughter) He’ll give you a big poetry out of it. You go and see anyone of these people who are riding a high horse, who are at the helm of affairs, and you will feel like laughing at them. But they will think that, “You are useless, you are doing no work, you are good for nothing, you are just wasters.” So now for you, because you are enlightened now, is to understand that our attention has to move higher and higher, at a higher space. Now actually what has happened in Realisation? Your Kundalini has risen and has come up, just like, you can say, a small, thin hair, one hair, and that has broken your Sahasrara and now the grace is flowing into you. But it's a very small movement that has taken place, of course which is a very difficult movement no doubt, but it has taken place. Now you have not expanded like this. Your chakras are only pierced in the centre, but the rest of the attention is still intact. Actually it is so intact, that you don't even feel that it is pierced. Now you have to expand that, open it out, so that more strands of Kundalini can rise and your attention, which is in these centres, expands. By expansion it drives out all that is mythical on the sides. On every centre we have our attention, which is being enlightened in the centre through this Light passing through. But the Light is too small for the darkness that you have collected. Specially for the people of the West, I would say, your confusions, you must get rid of them. But still you identify. Because if I ask you anything [like], “How are you?” Means what? Means you are still confused. Alright? Confusion should go. One confusion was there that, “This is Realisation or not?” I hope that's over now with you people. At least now you believe it is Self-realisation. I had to tell people, “No, you are self-realised now, you are!” Still they would jump up like [a] jack-in-the-box, you see. They’ll say, “No, we're not Mother! How do you say this is Realisation?” “We expect this out of Realisation and that out of Realisation - that we'll be flying out of the door if we are Realised,” or something nonsensical like that. Thank God, these ideas have gone away. But when we are Realised, there is Light that has come in us, we have to grow it only by separating our attention from the myths. It's all mythical. I also play with you, because unless and until you are sure, I am not going to give you a wrong idea about yourself. I want to see how far still your attention is moving, and I know [that] still you are not sure, still you are not sure of yourself, that’s why the confidence is not there. First of all you have to learn how to drive, then you are tested. There will be five stones put together, the distance will be only that hardly a car can pass through and the fellow will say, “You bring it zigzag!” And you cannot do it. Why? That's how he makes you a master. The mastery of your attention will come when you will start seeing that it is all a myth that upsets you. It's all a myth that upsets you. Just throw it away. Just throw it away and understand that you are the eternal attention, that you are the eternal life, that [the] only thing that keeps you away from it is ignorance, and the ignorance is too simple to understand: that you have accepted myth as Truth. Just drop it! It's all myth! You’ll be amazed how your attention will rise and you’ll see all these nonsensical things which used to frighten you or to elate you, will drop out, and you will just smile at it. And then only you are going to enjoy yourself fully because your attention will be completely drenched into the bliss of Self. I am saying you will, I say you are already drenched into that bliss. Keep it up. Now, how to do it? Actually, in every day-to-day life, how to kill the memory of the past? To kill the memory of the past is to have new memories. You must remember when you got your first Realisation - always think of it. Whenever any such memory comes to you, you [should] try to think how you got your Realisation. Any memory that is troublesome or even so-called elating, you just try to remember how Realisation has come to you. When you feel aggressive about something or angry [about] something, just try to remember how you felt the joy of surrendering. Just think of that joy of surrendering, of dissolving yourself. So the new memories must be built up. If you start building up new memories, then you will start collecting moments to establish other moments which have such memories. Like a memory when you tried to help somebody, you raised the Kundalini of someone. Now the problem would be when you will be raising the Kundalini of others, you will be in thoughtless awareness - there won’t be any thought - and thought is the only thing which impresses. But [at] that time you can record the joy of raising the Kundalini. If you could record the joy of raising the Kundalini of others, you will feel [that] a new wealth of these beautiful moments will be accumulated. And all those moments which were giving you confusion or fear or so-called unhappiness and happiness will drop out and pure joy will remain. Because now most of the experiences you have had are more of joy. Joy has no thoughts. It's just an experience, a pratyaksha. That's why I said you keep your eyes open. I hope you will understand what I mean by that. May God bless you all. I think let us meditate today. Maybe this meditation will help us. Please close your eyes. (break in recording) ..all of you, these things, put it on the fire. Douglas [Fry], take these two, these things, and take them on the fire. (break in recording) …without paying attention here or there or without worrying. Worry and all these things are vikshepas, are all confusions, comes from confusion. You have known about me that I can sit for nine hours in one pose. I mean I have done that but I can do even more. So one has to develop a baithak, is a sitting posture, for some time. You must settle down in some position. Alright? Should try to do that, and whatever is required for that is to be done because that’s the only way you can do it. If you are walking, still your attention will be moving about. Anyway, if there’s a movement then the time, space comes into play. But if you can settle down, if you can have a place where you can sit down. And that’s why the photograph helps. If you can see the photograph continuously, with a relaxed eyes, not all the time staring but relaxed eyes. You can close your eyes with respect [then] again you can open your eyes. This settling down of the position - you will be surprised how your attention will gradually rise, you will feel it. Just now you are all in thoughtless awareness so go into meditation. No, if you cannot sit you can take a seat, you see, down below. But as I said it, clothes should be a little lighter. Alright, put your hands towards me. You have to sit for about now, five minutes. I will not make you [sit] much. But I hope you will develop it next time your sitting. Right hand on the heart I think will help. Right hand on the heart. Now do it with your heart. Do - it - with - your - heart. Right hand on the heart. Think within that, “I am the Eternal Life, I am the Spirit” Hold your breath. Leave it. This time when you hold your breath you should know that I am the Mother of the Universe and the most powerful personality. And I am your Mother and you are all protected. Hold your breath. Haa! Leave it. Good. Hmmm. You are still children I must say. Don’t you know that I’m very powerful? Have I to tell you? Even the small children know that. Alright? Relax. Let’s have some music and something. Now, any questions anywhere? Yogi: I have a question. Could you explain the difference between joy and happiness? Shri Mataji: Oh! Very simple you know. Joy doesn’t have a double thing like happiness and unhappiness. Joy is singular, absolute. It’s absolute. It is thoughtless. It’s fulfilment. Happiness is always shadowed by unhappiness, is the double coined stuff, double faces of a coin. Happiness will be followed by unhappiness, unhappiness by happiness. It’s a relative terminology. But joy is absolute, absolute. It’s beyond thought. It’s bliss. Yogi: It’s more like contentment. Shri Mataji: Contentment can be relative still. But it’s all that in one. Joy is where you do not ask anything anymore, you’re just there. It just emits then. Just emits. You don’t want anything, it just goes overflowing. It has nothing to do with your rationality, cannot be perceived through your rationality. It’s beyond, you just feel it. Hmm. Jeremy? Jeremy: Why do we dream? What makes us dream? Shri Mataji: Dreams? Now dreams are you see: there are three stages of our consciousness in the normal way - not the fourth one (turiya) that, now, you are in the fourth one - but normally there are three stages. And the third stage is called as shushupti, where you are in a stage where you are deep asleep. That time you come in contact with the unconscious, Unconscious actually enters your attention, and you start getting the information from that. But a person who is not yet Realised is not yet quite awake in that state, in the sense that, whatever he records gets again clouded when he is coming back through those stages of…he comes through subconscious areas, lots of areas we can say, that he comes out of all the subconscious areas that he has got within him, and the supraconscious areas within him, and then he comes to conscious mind. So lots of things cloud it, like covered it, so the interpretation or even the memory of the dream could be quite confused. But after Realisation you touch even deeper because you enter into unconscious. Not that The unconscious has to do anything, but you enter into the unconscious. Your attention goes into the attention and it records what it sees. The more you become Realised, the dream state will go away. For example I never dream. I mean actually I am in dream. I never dream in the sense that when I am so-called dreaming, I am actually there working it out. And I can verify it with others that I was that time with you. He says, “Yes, this happened.” So, you see, it’s a different state of mine. But actually this happens, you never have a dream, you are always in reality. But that’s a different thing. But at least whatever you record in that from the unconscious, at least should be your own. But mostly the dreams of the people are clouded, so the dream doesn’t have much meaning. But with Sahaja Yoga you are enlightened so much that, in your dreams also, you see what unconscious has to say actually. Which is not confused, which is not clouded, which is absolutely with that you are awakened. I mean, for example, you might see Me, many a times, in dreams. And suggestions you will get from Me. I mean, I work through dreams only, through the unconscious. But some people always will say, “Oh, I have seen you somewhere. I have seen you many a times. I don’t know where I have seen. Were you in New York?” I said, “No.” “Then where did I see you?” They saw Me in their sleep, you see. But they cannot connect that it was in the sleep [that] they had seen Me. They are not Realised people but they have seen Me. Sahaja Yogini: Can you give people Realisation in their sleep?Shri Mataji: No. No. I cannot. I do not even want to give Realisation to people when they are not facing Me, either my photograph or Sahaja Yogis. That should not be. Because recognition is the only point in Sahaja Yoga. Modern Sahaja Yoga is only going to work out if you recognise Me. If you do not recognise Me, it’s not going to work out. This is the only way. This is the only key. Because so far you have never recognised. Only on recognition all your past things will be forgiven, everything will be done. But if you refuse to recognise Me or you go slow with it, your progress will be slow. Which I have told you frankly. Though it’s rather [an] embarrassing job, but I have to tell you. This is a fact.So, in dream you cannot give Realisation. But in dream you might see the situation in which will be giving thing, how you should give. Your solutions will be suggested to you, how to approach a particular person. But you cannot give Realisation to anyone. They have to know that they have got Realisation through Mataji Nirmala Devi. As it is, when you give them Realisation, they have no value [for it]. If they don’t know Me, they will have no value. But I would still suggest that one should not go on analysing the dreams too much. Again, the same problem will start. Because I know Jung and all these people did that. But that was all right at that stage because they were not Realised people, or they were Realised of a very confused manner, in the sense that they were not sure of themselves. But you people do not go on bothering about dreams so much. The dreams are coming to you to give you a solution of a problem. The unconscious is helping you in dreams. For example, when I go to India most of them dream that Mother is coming. I mean it’s like, acts like, what you call, television? Sahaja Yogi: I dreamt of you after the first time I came here.Shri Mataji: After you came here? Not before? But there are people who have come to Me because they dreamt about Me also. Now, that’s a good thing. To dream about Me means you’ve gone very deep. You see, the verification comes in. Sahaja Yogi: When I was here, you put your hand over on this eye, when I dreamt about it. It was as though something was pulled out of it, something like crystal. And this fell on the floor and this sort of grew legs and ran away. (laughter).Shri Mataji: What happened? You felt?Sahaja Yogi: I used to suffer from headaches and since that time I haven’t.Shri Mataji: You see! That’s true. That’s true. I mean, actually it is done like that. I’ll tell you another example, a very concrete example of this.One man who used to come to Sahaja Yoga and was very deep into it. One day he was- you see some of the Rajneesh’s disciples wanted to sort of harm him. So, they called him and they said, “We’ll offer you a paan (leaf)” – you see, that we eat and all that. And they really mesmerised him and gave him a paan. He ate the paan and all that. That was after the programme, say about 10.30 or so and he went into his subconscious areas. But he was coming to consciousness little bit.And then they took him in the taxi and beat him. But they could not beat, you see? He could see that they used to come and beat him and their hands were held by somebody. He could not feel the beating on him at all. And he used to come to consciousness, again unconscious, and then he became absolutely conscious, you see.He saw them beating him and they said they were getting the pain as if beaten but he was never beaten up. And then they left him in one place. And they took out his chain, a gold chain, and he had one ring of a real ruby in his fingers, they took out all that, and they left him in one place somewhere.And then he walked all the way from there to his house. So, I saw all this happening to him and that I was trying to slap, bang these people and all that. I saw all that, I was doing it, you see. So, early in the morning I got up at six o’clock and I telephoned to his house and I said that, "How is he now? " His wife said, “He came very late. I mean he came really in the morning time about five o’clock. And now he’s sleeping.” I said, “Let him sleep. He has had a very bad time last night and he suffered a lot and these Rajneesh people have troubled him a lot,” I told her.She was quite surprised, you see. She didn’t know all these things! When he got up she asked, “Where did you go?” And he told all the story about it. Then he telephoned to Me and he said, “Mother, you were there to save Me!” I said, “All right.” I told him, but normally I don’t tell you, you see, but that day, I just wanted to find out. Then he said that, “I’ve lost my ring that was given to me by my father and I really feel sad about it.” So, I said, “All right you will find it. Both the things you are going to get it.” And when he was getting down from the staircase, he found a red kind of a bundle lying there. And his wife said, “What is this red bundle lying here for?” So, he picked it up. Inside was the ring and inside was his chain. Then he immediately telephoned to Me, “Mother I have found both the things, how did you manage?” You see it can be done.So, all that was done for them because, you see, one can work it out. It can happen like that. But you must know that everything is done through the power of Brahma, that’s the glow of Adi Shakti. It’s all done through that. The rest is all myth! If you are not frightened of the myth, and if you do not recognise the myth, you are above it! But you still recognise it. This is the problem. Sahaja Yogi: If you are a scientist say, are you saying that you shouldn’t continue scientific work? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. If you are a scientist then, after Realisation, what you should do is to bring science and Realisation together. You can explain science and Realisation together. You have to explain Realisation through scientific method. This should be your effort, a new direction, because you have found out that you are Realised, you have found out that there is All-pervading Power, now, if you can put it in the scientific language you can talk to them. So that knowledge is not wasted. Supposing you are a geologist, you can explain many things of geology which you have not explained so far, through Realisation. So you give actually the science it’s fulfilment itself! There are so many questions they cannot answer. Every thing, politics, everything - why it has failed, what has happened, what is the reason - everything can be explained through science of Sahaja Yoga. Everything! why it works out, why it doesn’t work out, what’s the thing, what is the failure is - everything can be explained. Human behaviour, everything. So use your knowledge to enlighten the knowledge which is covered with ignorance. For example, see now, you have developed films, cinemas, this, that - use it for Sahaja Yoga. How can you use it for Sahaja Yoga you should try to find out ways and methods. Supposing you are a dramatist: use that drama. Make a drama on Sahaja Yoga. Put your mind to that and you can do it. For example, supposing somebody is doing a course in journalism, then he should use his journalism for to propagate Sahaja Yoga. You should try to find out in geology also, or in any subject whatsoever: the light of Sahaja Yoga which is being missed so far by the scientists, by the geologists, by the psychiatrists, by everyone, because it’s all a science which is secluded, which is in darkness, which has no connection with the whole. Now you see your fire is here alright? Now, when I put my hand there, what happens is this fire is enlightened. This power sucks in from you, or any one of you who are Realised-souls, whatever is within you which can be burnt away by fire, and it burns it off. This fire you have analysed in ignorance but now you are enlightened. I gave realisation in India to some scientists who were working on the agriculture. They started using vibrations for agriculture and they were surprised that they could produce ten times more yield. I mean, you can see the difference between the types of things that are being produced and they are doing tremendous work on that. They’ll be publishing papers and things and they are doing that. You can see also how vibrations work on say a nucleus of an atom. They will be acted through mesotrons (an elementary particle responsible for the forces in the atomic nucleus). If you see that, mesotrons will immediately react to it because they are arbitrary and you will be amazed you can handle them and manoeuvre them through your vibrations, if you see them under microscope. If you want to go into it you can go into it, because first of all you have to convince these horrible people what else could be, and give up everything else and just accept it, be within it. We are curing people without any science with us. We are curing mad people without any science. After all, everything is for the betterment of human beings. We are improving food problem. We are improving even material problem, I mean, Lakshmi tattwa is improved in them. All these things can be done. And scientists can show that science taken to extreme can take [us] to destruction, which is not related to the whole. If you move in one direction, a linear movement, it just coils back and comes back to you. But if you are related to the whole then you know how to balance it, otherwise the nose starts growing or the ears start [growing] - it’s malignant. The growth of science, the modern science, is malignant. Even on Earth, if part of Earth starts growing, for example, on one side, the whole balance and equilibrium will be gone of the Earth, isn’t it! I mean if you see The Nature in its real completeness then you will see there’s such a balance existing. Science just moves like a blind horse in one direction. What is the use? Then you go to atom and from atom you go to atomic energy and from there to the destruction part. But if you had kept to the truth and to the complete, then you would not have gone that far. Alright, it’s useful for us, use it. Analysis destroys you, destroys all our character, everything. If you start analysing you, yourself, you’ll be destroyed. Take yourself as a whole. There are people I have known who analyse me also. Such silly fools I have seen. Haa, there are. It’s so fantastic, the way human beings go about with there small little brain! Anything they cannot explain in Sahaja Yoga. When you have the higher science to discover, forget the lower sciences. I mean, when you were a frog, you were only worried about the well where you lived but now today you are a human being, you are worried about other things. Now, if you become a super-human being, you should be worried about higher sciences. Now what have you achieved through science we can achieve in a second through Sahaja Yoga. Your material welfare can be, in a second we can improve it. If you get your Realisation, materially you will be better off. Most of the people they declare as coma and dead or lunatic and gone cases…they have not been able to cure any lunatic whatsoever. Once he goes to the lunatic asylum he just comes [out] as a corpse. He never comes back as a sane person. What your science has achieved so far? And in which way? Take to anything: political problems, anything. You try to have political, say democracy - you have created demonocracy. You wanted to have communism - it is nothing but killing everyone. Everything is a topsy turvy. Hello! How are you? Come here you come here! You’re daddy has come? Child: Yes. Shri Mataji: Where is he? Child: In there. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see, I see. Sit down, sit down, sit down. Good! Now any other question? Should we have some music? Yogi: Mother, what is the true meaning of your name ‘Shri Bhagawati’? I have seen several different translations of the name entirely different to each other. Shri Mataji: You see, ‘Bh’ ‘ga’: “Bhaga” means six things all together. They are the six attributes of God and Bhagawati is the power of God, that’s why She’s called that. Six basic attributes of God. First is innocence, second is creativity, third is…fatherliness, you can say, but is the one which nourishes. You see if you put the gardener and the Mother Earth together then what is the quality of them, is nourishment to grow, looking after, called as ‘palanhaar’. In English must be a word somewhere. The ‘Patron’? But ‘patron’ doesn’t mean all that, isn’t it. Yogi: Husbandry? Shri Mataji: Husbandry? ‘Husbandry’ is a funny word! (laughter) Yogi: ‘Paternal’ Mother. ‘Paternal’ Shri Mataji: But it is also maternal, you see. Yogini: Guardian? Shri Mataji: Guardian is only in control. You see all these things put together is ‘palanhaar’. Yogi: Sustainer. Shri Mataji: Sustenance is also there. But the kindness, the control, the looking after, the weeding out. All the beauties of that and the enjoyment of seeing your creation. The growth. The One who makes our growth possible. Then He is Almighty. Almighty. Nobody is more powerful than Him. He’s the most powerful. And He encompasses everything. He’s All-pervading and He knows everything - Sarvarupa. He knows everything, omniscient. This is ‘Bhaga’. And Bhagawati is the power of God. Without Bhagawati, God has no meaning. It’s like moon and moonlight, it’s like sun and sunlight. You cannot differentiate. They are just one and the same. Yogi: Is Bhagawati Adi Shakti then? Shri Mataji: Adi Shakti is the same as Bhagawati. She’s called by many names. One of them is Nirmala also.	null	null	null	Attention. Dollis Hill, London (England), 26 May 1980. Today I am going to talk to you about attention: what is attention, what is the movement of attention and what are the ways and methods of raising our attention. Keep it in broad ways. Alright? But when I am saying all these things you must know that I am talking to you individually - it’s not about others. Always the first thing human beings do is, when I am speaking to you, you try to find out about who Mataji is speaking! This is the best way of putting your attention onto something else. If you put your attention to yourself that, “This is for me and me and me alone,” then it will have an effect, because these [words of mine] are mantras. And that’s why it is wasted because whatever is given to you is thrown onto another person. So the attention, that you have, is the only way to know the reality. Your own attention is important, not the attention of others or your attention on others! This must be clearly understood. If you understand this point that the whole thing is to be consumed by you, through your attention to raise yourself to a higher situation, it will work out. Otherwise, it is like giving food to you and going to another person who is getting nourished, while you are getting nothing. And that person also may not be able get nourished, because he doesn't know that you are throwing it to that person. So today, as I am going to speak to you about attention, you should know that your attention should absorb all that I am saying. It is not meant for anybody else. You better sit in thoughtless awareness, that's the best way, so that it goes into you. Otherwise it's like a lecture, you know. That you listen to me has no effect. Every lecture will transform you because, after all, I am speaking. But because you always think of others and you think of your problems all the time - something nonsensical is going on, about which you are worried - and the attention is so overloaded that whatever is said to you doesn't go into you. So, just now, utilise it by being attentive and knowing that all these nonsensical things have no value. It’s your attention that has to come up and has to grow. So, attention is the whole of the canvas of your being - is a complete canvas, is the attention. Complete canvas of your being is the attention. How much you have gone into it, how much you have discovered it, how far you have raised it is a different point. Attention is chitta and God is attention. How far your attention has been enlightened is a different point. But your attention is God - if you become enlightened to that extent. It is like a canvas. You can say it is like a canvas which is spread out for a film, and whatever aptitudes or, you can say, the drags or movements, your attention has, shows on that canvas. I don't know what is the word for ‘vritti’ in English language. It's not aptitude, but a person gets prone to, or his attention is dragged to - I don't know [if] there is a word like that in English language - vritti. Can you suggest any word? So our attention is just a pure, completely pure canvas and is acted upon by the three gunas we have, to begin with. And the three gunas come to you, as you know, one from your past, one from your future sense and one from the present. Now, whatever have been your experiences about a particular thing or a particular occasion, so far, is completely recorded in your memory. For example, if you see the black colour: all that goes with the black colour is recorded in your memory. As soon as you see this black colour, quite a lot of it comes up. That means, as soon as you see this with your attention, the attention gets muddled up, or you can say the attention gets coloured with all the memories about this black colour. And then your action takes place according to the way your attention is affected. For example, just now something was burned by these flames. Now, all of you became aware of it. Next time whenever you will see a flame, first thing [that] will happen will be that you will be cautious about it. It is not going to happen again, but the whole memory will come to you and you will try to be cautious or warn others, because your attention will become aware of that as soon as you will see that, because that canvas of your attention itself will start throwing out these pictures, out of itself, through your past experiences, on to the canvas. This is a living canvas. Or may be that if you have got some ideas which you have premeditated, or thought of, of the future. For example, you must have thought of somebody that, “If I meet that man I will tell him like this.” As soon as you will meet that man, your attention will start bubbling out with those ideas that are coming about this man, and you will start addressing to him accordingly. It's all stored up within you, whether it is about the future or about the past. It’s given out of the attention through that bubbling process which depends on your dragging nature, where are you dragged. That's called as vritti, but I don't know what you call it in English language. I do not know what is the, what you are prone to (tendency). Vritti is a very neutral word. It doesn't mean anything bad. It means where you are drawn to. Vritti means a temperament by which you are drawn to. And whatever is your temperament, it acts like that. For example, if you see a man walking, say, blindly - he cannot see things - one person may get angry with that person, another may have pity for that person, third may come forward to help him out. It’s the vritti, it’s the temperament, that you have developed through your three gunas. That's why this attention becomes identified with you. And when you are identified with this, your vritti, your temperaments, then you are still in a misidentified area. Let us take a case of somebody who has been possessed before. Now, coming to Sahaja Yoga his possession goes away. But the memory remains in the brain that he was possessed. And [if] the memory is stronger in a person, left side is stronger, then that memory lingers on, and as soon as that person comes in contact with anyone which has got something to do with the past possession, it clicks. And the whole thing starts coming into you bubbling out and you think you are again possessed. It is the memory which gives you [this reaction]. It's a myth. It's the memory that tells you, “Oh, you are again possessed!” Because your left side is weak, means you always live in your memory. Your memory is stronger than yourself. If you could make yourself stronger than your memory, nothing can possess you. But after you get your Realisation, you are not still identified with that state of mind in which you see your ego and superego as myths. Still you get caught up into your ego and superego, and that's why your attention is still in a mess. In a pure simple way of attention in an innocent child, he sees everything in pratyaksha, means in actual experiencing of something - for a child - because he has no memory. So he'll have to burn his hand to feel that this burns. He has to touch something cold to know that it is cold. His memory is not yet built up. So into the actual experiencing of it he lives. But that actual experiencing becomes memory. And once the memory is built up stronger, the whole personality is affected by memory. All the conditioning of all kinds come through that; your reading, even the whole atmosphere can come to you. You see, sometimes you smell a particular soap, or say a rose, you smell it - then all the memories of smelling such a rose, sometimes, comes to you and you may feel really elated sometimes, maybe sometimes, maybe, or sometimes very unhappy, whatever may be the situation. So you may feel happy or unhappy. Because, whatever experiences you have had, has given you a memory. This memory might have given you a superego, or might have given you a ego. This scanning might have taken place. If it has been a ego and a superego, then may be that, if it was ego you must have felt happy. If it is satisfying to your ego you feel very happy. If it is not, if it is superego, if you are suppressed by this, then you feel very unhappy. So both things like happiness or unhappiness are the states where you are still in the myth, still the myth exists. You have to still go beyond. So if you feel happy about some situation, you should know you are only happy before Realisation, because it is giving some support to your ego to bloat. And if you are unhappy, then you should know that there is some sort of a suppression on your ego and there's a superego developing. So both the situations have been of no help to you, of no help to you for your growth, except that both these institutions develop so much that you are away from the real experiencing. The real experiencing stops because your attention is so much muddled up. So on one side if you move - on the left hand side - your attention is muddled up with fear, with pain, with unhappiness, with hopelessness, dejection. The other side, if you indulge too much on to the right hand side - little bit also - you start getting elated, excited, over-dominating. The colour of the left side is blue. And the blue colour starts changing to the black. While on the right hand side it is, to begin with, yellow, light yellow or you can say golden, then yellow, then orange and then red. So you go to aggression on the right hand side. On the left hand side you go into a complete state of entropy, you can call it, or a state where you are separated from yourself into a complete frozen state. So [on] one side you become completely frozen, on the other side you become completely heated up. Both these things are, again, movement on the wrong direction. Even in the centre when the attention is kept - that you keep your attention more in the centre - there also, because it's a very sensitive point, it doesn't stay there. For example, when we, say, use fire, we can use it for burning the house. In the same way we can use it for creating smoke. But we can also use this fire in its proper way, if we use it, in its proper proportion, for cooking the food [or] for giving us light. If it is too much, it can burn like a big fire. If it is too little, it can burn like smoke. But in the centre when you know how to balance it, then you can use it for your own purpose - for cooking or for giving light, and then for a puja too. So in the same way when we really balance our gunas properly, then we become gradually the master of the whole situation. The attention doesn't get dragged into things that we have been doing or that we have understood through our memories or through our experiences or whatever it is, and is not also dragged towards, too much, on the right hand side that we try to overpower, or try to dominate someone. Because if you move too much that side you have seen [that] it becomes blood. It is difficult for people to understand how, when people become very religious-minded, like now Iran, the movement is on the right - all the austerities, all that, everything - now bloodshed. Christians also did the same. Brahmins did the same in India. Buddhists did the same, even [though] they talked of nonviolence they got to bloodshed, because movement started [on the] right hand side. Left hand side movement will take you to very sly and dark methods. So right-handed sided people - like big nations who are supposed to be developed nations - they justify war. “We must have weapons to face each other.” But you all, each other, are the same people from God's point of view! Why are you fighting? When God asks you, “Why are you fighting, what is the need? Why don't you sit down properly and listen to each other? What are you fighting about? You are fighting about land. Is it your father's land? It belongs to God! God has created this land. Why are you fighting?” But your attention is such that immediately you think, “Oh, this is my land, this is my motherland, this is my fatherland, this is my brotherland.” But what about your land which is within you? It's not your own! So if you go on telling these people that we should have no war they will not listen. Realisation is the only way. By Realisation your attention gets higher and gets separated from that strata from where these things bubble in. Do you understand my point now? The strata goes higher, the attention goes higher, at a higher state. By right side movement you get vikshepa, confusion. First you get confusion. Every intellectual, whatever brilliant he may be, he is confused. And the more confused he is, the more he asserts himself because he is confused, he’s not sure of himself, so he asserts, “This is the thing; this is the thing.” I mean, if it is so, why should you assert it? But he goes on asserting, “This is the thing!” Then understand that now he is going towards lunatic asylum - absolutely! And the way he asserts, and goes on talking about it, all the time, that means he is not sure. He becomes like a possessed personality. When he explains everything through his brains that “This is the thing. This is correct. We must all do, this is what…” and he convinces many others who are confused like him. They depend on him. He becomes a leader because, you see, they are much more confused and they find somebody who is not so much confused outwardly [so] they stick on to him, and all of them get to war or some sort of a bloodshed or some sort of - they want to see blood. They become heartless, passionless, compassionless, you can say - compassionless, loveless people. The other movement is the blue side, is like the blue moonlight. So, for the romanticism starts. Sitting in the moonlight, you see! The ideas start coming from Lord Byron (laughter). And they come into your attention - then it becomes very strong passion with you. You think, “Oh, I am still, I have to find out my loves!” And you go on in search of your loves and this and that. These things are not really giving joy. That's why so many poems have been written that, “Love is the most painful thing, it’s worse than death,” and all sorts of poems are written like that so why did you get into it? I mean, it's already written down, books after books, still why do you get into it? (laughing) You are already warned about it that, “Don’t go after love, love is deception, love is this, that, it is very temporary, it is for the little while you get that.” By chance, if somebody could stop at a point by marrying somebody who is sweet enough and realise that love and marriage and all these things are in the centre, are like the fire in the kitchen, are like the fire in the temple: looks after it and doesn't overdo something about it. Then may be that this maybe utilised. In the same way the right side movement of the Sun line. If people think that, yes, the sun is important, we have to have sun in the house, but you are not to become naked and insult the Sun and get your skin cancer! Sun is not for your skin cancer! But if you overdo it, also it is dangerous. A person who exposes himself too much to planning and doing that, and doing this, and doing all this, can land up into very great difficulties. So you have to balance that side also and this side and you have to be in the centre, in the equilibrium. Now this word ‘equilibrium’ doesn't exist in our day-to-day life. It exists only in the fiction or may be in the so-called scientific research. But as far as human beings are concerned, they do not know what is equilibrium is. Because of this, the attention, though after Realisation comes up, still on the sides they just go down, this side or that side according to your vrittis. And when these identifications still act in them, they are prone to go down again in their attention and again start bubbling out the same thing as they had. Now one has to become lighter in one's own mind and should think that, “We have dropped all that now why are we there?” One should become lighter with all that load flowing out, because you are here to raise your attention higher and higher so that you come up to a point where you become one with the attention of God. Already your attention is sparkled because through your attention you can see what's wrong with you, you can see what's wrong with others and you can see how far you are going with yourself. But the progress is retarded because you do not know that this attention is pure form and all that you get into this attention is a mythical stuff, is a myth. If you drop this myth gradually, treat everything as a myth and not depend on becoming unhappy or happy - just seeing the thing - [then] your attention will take a flight and it will be at a much higher level residing there. Instead of that, every moment you go this way or that way - it goes on like that - and the movement upwards is much less. Even in Sattvoguna, when you rise, you can go much worse in that condition also. For example, if you say that, “I am trying to be Sattwoguni.” In Sattwoguni it is that you start seeing everything, discriminating through your understanding - not through vibrations - through understanding: “Oh! Should we not somehow or the other take out our attention from here?” “Should we not give up this?” “Should we be charitable?” “Should we go and serve the people?” There are people who think, “Oh, we are going to do something great!” - like your Salvation Army. Let them be salvaged by themselves! I don't know what salvation they are going to do. So these ideas - ideas, I am saying - of Sattvoguna, can also immobilise you and can really freeze you down once for all, and that also can work in you in such a sly manner, we can say, in such a secretive manner, that you won't feel it. All these ideas of helping others, being charitable, “Let's have a charity association!” - finished! Once you work in a charity association, your attention is finished there. But if your attention goes higher - say [as] my attention is. I am only nothing but charity! I mean what am I? It just flows. You just become the charity. So the difference between a person who is a realised and a not realised is this that the attention which was giving myth as reality to you is gone now, is gone higher. It can see that it is myth. Attention can clearly see that it is myth, and you can see that yourself and you can remove yourself from them. That, of course, I have to give you a push, no doubt, and I am working hard on that to give you a push. But you should also know that mythical things must be dropped out, otherwise you will not grow. All mythical things must be dropped out. And the best way to do it is to be in thoughtless awareness because as soon as you transcend these three gunas you become thoughtlessly aware. You have to cross Agnya. Once you cross Agnya, these three gunas, absolutely you go into a state where you are gunateet, you are beyond gunas. So you do not deliberately do anything, but it just works out. But analysis is one of the diseases of the West. What are you analysing? What are you analysing? You ask yourself. I feel like laughing at the whole analysis that goes on. See, they’ll sit down, take out a hair, splitting the hair into hundred! And great analysers are sitting down there! They cannot even say how the chromosomes have that spindle action and, I mean at that minute level the things are worked out. They cannot say how a cell divides. What are they analysing sitting down here? Now, they have analysed for a purpose - also done for God. Through their analysis now my things are recorded. Through their analysis I can go to the TV, if they allow me any time, because of analysis [it] doesn't fit into me, they won't allow, they may not, it might be expedited. But say, for example, if you had not discovered these things - for example take it like that - and the science was not discovered, your attention would have been at least better off. Because of science, your attention is also very much in confusion. So I don't know which one to praise, whether the science or the primitiveness. When you raised yourself to science also, you got to another extreme as usual. Till you burnt out your complete attention, you were not satisfied. I mean if you had kept your balance in science also it would have helped, but the balance was lost there. Give anything to human beings and they know how to make the worst out of it. They will go to the extreme. You give them a horse, they cannot go ordinary trotting or galloping, they must have a double gallop, till they fall and die! Everything you see, they just are on the run all the time. So first thing is needed is to steady down yourself and tell yourself that, “Now all these mythical things I am not going to allow to come to my attention.” All these things are nothing but myths. But you are giving too much importance to myths. You are taking them bit so seriously. They are just mythical. Now, I mean, when you are realised now you laugh at people who just go mad over say, a moonlit night. Alright? But ask the fellow who is doing that, he’ll say, “You are heartless, you have no feelings!” (laughter) He’ll give you a big poetry out of it. You go and see anyone of these people who are riding a high horse, who are at the helm of affairs, and you will feel like laughing at them. But they will think that, “You are useless, you are doing no work, you are good for nothing, you are just wasters.” So now for you, because you are enlightened now, is to understand that our attention has to move higher and higher, at a higher space. Now actually what has happened in Realisation? Your Kundalini has risen and has come up, just like, you can say, a small, thin hair, one hair, and that has broken your Sahasrara and now the grace is flowing into you. But it's a very small movement that has taken place, of course which is a very difficult movement no doubt, but it has taken place. Now you have not expanded like this. Your chakras are only pierced in the centre, but the rest of the attention is still intact. Actually it is so intact, that you don't even feel that it is pierced. Now you have to expand that, open it out, so that more strands of Kundalini can rise and your attention, which is in these centres, expands. By expansion it drives out all that is mythical on the sides. On every centre we have our attention, which is being enlightened in the centre through this Light passing through. But the Light is too small for the darkness that you have collected. Specially for the people of the West, I would say, your confusions, you must get rid of them. But still you identify. Because if I ask you anything [like], “How are you?” Means what? Means you are still confused. Alright? Confusion should go. One confusion was there that, “This is Realisation or not?” I hope that's over now with you people. At least now you believe it is Self-realisation. I had to tell people, “No, you are self-realised now, you are!” Still they would jump up like [a] jack-in-the-box, you see. They’ll say, “No, we're not Mother! How do you say this is Realisation?” “We expect this out of Realisation and that out of Realisation - that we'll be flying out of the door if we are Realised,” or something nonsensical like that. Thank God, these ideas have gone away. But when we are Realised, there is Light that has come in us, we have to grow it only by separating our attention from the myths. It's all mythical. I also play with you, because unless and until you are sure, I am not going to give you a wrong idea about yourself. I want to see how far still your attention is moving, and I know [that] still you are not sure, still you are not sure of yourself, that’s why the confidence is not there. First of all you have to learn how to drive, then you are tested. There will be five stones put together, the distance will be only that hardly a car can pass through and the fellow will say, “You bring it zigzag!” And you cannot do it. Why? That's how he makes you a master. The mastery of your attention will come when you will start seeing that it is all a myth that upsets you. It's all a myth that upsets you. Just throw it away. Just throw it away and understand that you are the eternal attention, that you are the eternal life, that [the] only thing that keeps you away from it is ignorance, and the ignorance is too simple to understand: that you have accepted myth as Truth. Just drop it! It's all myth! You’ll be amazed how your attention will rise and you’ll see all these nonsensical things which used to frighten you or to elate you, will drop out, and you will just smile at it. And then only you are going to enjoy yourself fully because your attention will be completely drenched into the bliss of Self. I am saying you will, I say you are already drenched into that bliss. Keep it up. Now, how to do it? Actually, in every day-to-day life, how to kill the memory of the past? To kill the memory of the past is to have new memories. You must remember when you got your first Realisation - always think of it. Whenever any such memory comes to you, you [should] try to think how you got your Realisation. Any memory that is troublesome or even so-called elating, you just try to remember how Realisation has come to you. When you feel aggressive about something or angry [about] something, just try to remember how you felt the joy of surrendering. Just think of that joy of surrendering, of dissolving yourself. So the new memories must be built up. If you start building up new memories, then you will start collecting moments to establish other moments which have such memories. Like a memory when you tried to help somebody, you raised the Kundalini of someone. Now the problem would be when you will be raising the Kundalini of others, you will be in thoughtless awareness - there won’t be any thought - and thought is the only thing which impresses. But [at] that time you can record the joy of raising the Kundalini. If you could record the joy of raising the Kundalini of others, you will feel [that] a new wealth of these beautiful moments will be accumulated. And all those moments which were giving you confusion or fear or so-called unhappiness and happiness will drop out and pure joy will remain. Because now most of the experiences you have had are more of joy. Joy has no thoughts. It's just an experience, a pratyaksha. That's why I said you keep your eyes open. I hope you will understand what I mean by that. May God bless you all. I think let us meditate today. Maybe this meditation will help us. Please close your eyes. (break in recording) ..all of you, these things, put it on the fire. Douglas [Fry], take these two, these things, and take them on the fire. (break in recording) …without paying attention here or there or without worrying. Worry and all these things are vikshepas, are all confusions, comes from confusion. You have known about me that I can sit for nine hours in one pose. I mean I have done that but I can do even more. So one has to develop a baithak, is a sitting posture, for some time. You must settle down in some position. Alright? Should try to do that, and whatever is required for that is to be done because that’s the only way you can do it. If you are walking, still your attention will be moving about. Anyway, if there’s a movement then the time, space comes into play. But if you can settle down, if you can have a place where you can sit down. And that’s why the photograph helps. If you can see the photograph continuously, with a relaxed eyes, not all the time staring but relaxed eyes. You can close your eyes with respect [then] again you can open your eyes. This settling down of the position - you will be surprised how your attention will gradually rise, you will feel it. Just now you are all in thoughtless awareness so go into meditation. No, if you cannot sit you can take a seat, you see, down below. But as I said it, clothes should be a little lighter. Alright, put your hands towards me. You have to sit for about now, five minutes. I will not make you [sit] much. But I hope you will develop it next time your sitting. Right hand on the heart I think will help. Right hand on the heart. Now do it with your heart. Do - it - with - your - heart. Right hand on the heart. Think within that, “I am the Eternal Life, I am the Spirit” Hold your breath. Leave it. This time when you hold your breath you should know that I am the Mother of the Universe and the most powerful personality. And I am your Mother and you are all protected. Hold your breath. Haa! Leave it. Good. Hmmm. You are still children I must say. Don’t you know that I’m very powerful? Have I to tell you? Even the small children know that. Alright? Relax. Let’s have some music and something. Now, any questions anywhere? Yogi: I have a question. Could you explain the difference between joy and happiness? Shri Mataji: Oh! Very simple you know. Joy doesn’t have a double thing like happiness and unhappiness. Joy is singular, absolute. It’s absolute. It is thoughtless. It’s fulfilment. Happiness is always shadowed by unhappiness, is the double coined stuff, double faces of a coin. Happiness will be followed by unhappiness, unhappiness by happiness. It’s a relative terminology. But joy is absolute, absolute. It’s beyond thought. It’s bliss. Yogi: It’s more like contentment. Shri Mataji: Contentment can be relative still. But it’s all that in one. Joy is where you do not ask anything anymore, you’re just there. It just emits then. Just emits. You don’t want anything, it just goes overflowing. It has nothing to do with your rationality, cannot be perceived through your rationality. It’s beyond, you just feel it. Hmm. Jeremy? Jeremy: Why do we dream? What makes us dream? Shri Mataji: Dreams? Now dreams are you see: there are three stages of our consciousness in the normal way - not the fourth one (turiya) that, now, you are in the fourth one - but normally there are three stages. And the third stage is called as shushupti, where you are in a stage where you are deep asleep. That time you come in contact with the unconscious, Unconscious actually enters your attention, and you start getting the information from that. But a person who is not yet Realised is not yet quite awake in that state, in the sense that, whatever he records gets again clouded when he is coming back through those stages of…he comes through subconscious areas, lots of areas we can say, that he comes out of all the subconscious areas that he has got within him, and the supraconscious areas within him, and then he comes to conscious mind. So lots of things cloud it, like covered it, so the interpretation or even the memory of the dream could be quite confused. But after Realisation you touch even deeper because you enter into unconscious. Not that The unconscious has to do anything, but you enter into the unconscious. Your attention goes into the attention and it records what it sees. The more you become Realised, the dream state will go away. For example I never dream. I mean actually I am in dream. I never dream in the sense that when I am so-called dreaming, I am actually there working it out. And I can verify it with others that I was that time with you. He says, “Yes, this happened.” So, you see, it’s a different state of mine. But actually this happens, you never have a dream, you are always in reality. But that’s a different thing. But at least whatever you record in that from the unconscious, at least should be your own. But mostly the dreams of the people are clouded, so the dream doesn’t have much meaning. But with Sahaja Yoga you are enlightened so much that, in your dreams also, you see what unconscious has to say actually. Which is not confused, which is not clouded, which is absolutely with that you are awakened. I mean, for example, you might see Me, many a times, in dreams. And suggestions you will get from Me. I mean, I work through dreams only, through the unconscious. But some people always will say, “Oh, I have seen you somewhere. I have seen you many a times. I don’t know where I have seen. Were you in New York?” I said, “No.” “Then where did I see you?” They saw Me in their sleep, you see. But they cannot connect that it was in the sleep [that] they had seen Me. They are not Realised people but they have seen Me. Sahaja Yogini: Can you give people Realisation in their sleep?Shri Mataji: No. No. I cannot. I do not even want to give Realisation to people when they are not facing Me, either my photograph or Sahaja Yogis. That should not be. Because recognition is the only point in Sahaja Yoga. Modern Sahaja Yoga is only going to work out if you recognise Me. If you do not recognise Me, it’s not going to work out. This is the only way. This is the only key. Because so far you have never recognised. Only on recognition all your past things will be forgiven, everything will be done. But if you refuse to recognise Me or you go slow with it, your progress will be slow. Which I have told you frankly. Though it’s rather [an] embarrassing job, but I have to tell you. This is a fact.So, in dream you cannot give Realisation. But in dream you might see the situation in which will be giving thing, how you should give. Your solutions will be suggested to you, how to approach a particular person. But you cannot give Realisation to anyone. They have to know that they have got Realisation through Mataji Nirmala Devi. As it is, when you give them Realisation, they have no value [for it]. If they don’t know Me, they will have no value. But I would still suggest that one should not go on analysing the dreams too much. Again, the same problem will start. Because I know Jung and all these people did that. But that was all right at that stage because they were not Realised people, or they were Realised of a very confused manner, in the sense that they were not sure of themselves. But you people do not go on bothering about dreams so much. The dreams are coming to you to give you a solution of a problem. The unconscious is helping you in dreams. For example, when I go to India most of them dream that Mother is coming. I mean it’s like, acts like, what you call, television? Sahaja Yogi: I dreamt of you after the first time I came here.Shri Mataji: After you came here? Not before? But there are people who have come to Me because they dreamt about Me also. Now, that’s a good thing. To dream about Me means you’ve gone very deep. You see, the verification comes in. Sahaja Yogi: When I was here, you put your hand over on this eye, when I dreamt about it. It was as though something was pulled out of it, something like crystal. And this fell on the floor and this sort of grew legs and ran away. (laughter).Shri Mataji: What happened? You felt?Sahaja Yogi: I used to suffer from headaches and since that time I haven’t.Shri Mataji: You see! That’s true. That’s true. I mean, actually it is done like that. I’ll tell you another example, a very concrete example of this.One man who used to come to Sahaja Yoga and was very deep into it. One day he was- you see some of the Rajneesh’s disciples wanted to sort of harm him. So, they called him and they said, “We’ll offer you a paan (leaf)” – you see, that we eat and all that. And they really mesmerised him and gave him a paan. He ate the paan and all that. That was after the programme, say about 10.30 or so and he went into his subconscious areas. But he was coming to consciousness little bit.And then they took him in the taxi and beat him. But they could not beat, you see? He could see that they used to come and beat him and their hands were held by somebody. He could not feel the beating on him at all. And he used to come to consciousness, again unconscious, and then he became absolutely conscious, you see.He saw them beating him and they said they were getting the pain as if beaten but he was never beaten up. And then they left him in one place. And they took out his chain, a gold chain, and he had one ring of a real ruby in his fingers, they took out all that, and they left him in one place somewhere.And then he walked all the way from there to his house. So, I saw all this happening to him and that I was trying to slap, bang these people and all that. I saw all that, I was doing it, you see. So, early in the morning I got up at six o’clock and I telephoned to his house and I said that, "How is he now? " His wife said, “He came very late. I mean he came really in the morning time about five o’clock. And now he’s sleeping.” I said, “Let him sleep. He has had a very bad time last night and he suffered a lot and these Rajneesh people have troubled him a lot,” I told her.She was quite surprised, you see. She didn’t know all these things! When he got up she asked, “Where did you go?” And he told all the story about it. Then he telephoned to Me and he said, “Mother, you were there to save Me!” I said, “All right.” I told him, but normally I don’t tell you, you see, but that day, I just wanted to find out. Then he said that, “I’ve lost my ring that was given to me by my father and I really feel sad about it.” So, I said, “All right you will find it. Both the things you are going to get it.” And when he was getting down from the staircase, he found a red kind of a bundle lying there. And his wife said, “What is this red bundle lying here for?” So, he picked it up. Inside was the ring and inside was his chain. Then he immediately telephoned to Me, “Mother I have found both the things, how did you manage?” You see it can be done.So, all that was done for them because, you see, one can work it out. It can happen like that. But you must know that everything is done through the power of Brahma, that’s the glow of Adi Shakti. It’s all done through that. The rest is all myth! If you are not frightened of the myth, and if you do not recognise the myth, you are above it! But you still recognise it. This is the problem. Sahaja Yogi: If you are a scientist say, are you saying that you shouldn’t continue scientific work? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. If you are a scientist then, after Realisation, what you should do is to bring science and Realisation together. You can explain science and Realisation together. You have to explain Realisation through scientific method. This should be your effort, a new direction, because you have found out that you are Realised, you have found out that there is All-pervading Power, now, if you can put it in the scientific language you can talk to them. So that knowledge is not wasted. Supposing you are a geologist, you can explain many things of geology which you have not explained so far, through Realisation. So you give actually the science it’s fulfilment itself! There are so many questions they cannot answer. Every thing, politics, everything - why it has failed, what has happened, what is the reason - everything can be explained through science of Sahaja Yoga. Everything! why it works out, why it doesn’t work out, what’s the thing, what is the failure is - everything can be explained. Human behaviour, everything. So use your knowledge to enlighten the knowledge which is covered with ignorance. For example, see now, you have developed films, cinemas, this, that - use it for Sahaja Yoga. How can you use it for Sahaja Yoga you should try to find out ways and methods. Supposing you are a dramatist: use that drama. Make a drama on Sahaja Yoga. Put your mind to that and you can do it. For example, supposing somebody is doing a course in journalism, then he should use his journalism for to propagate Sahaja Yoga. You should try to find out in geology also, or in any subject whatsoever: the light of Sahaja Yoga which is being missed so far by the scientists, by the geologists, by the psychiatrists, by everyone, because it’s all a science which is secluded, which is in darkness, which has no connection with the whole. Now you see your fire is here alright? Now, when I put my hand there, what happens is this fire is enlightened. This power sucks in from you, or any one of you who are Realised-souls, whatever is within you which can be burnt away by fire, and it burns it off. This fire you have analysed in ignorance but now you are enlightened. I gave realisation in India to some scientists who were working on the agriculture. They started using vibrations for agriculture and they were surprised that they could produce ten times more yield. I mean, you can see the difference between the types of things that are being produced and they are doing tremendous work on that. They’ll be publishing papers and things and they are doing that. You can see also how vibrations work on say a nucleus of an atom. They will be acted through mesotrons (an elementary particle responsible for the forces in the atomic nucleus). If you see that, mesotrons will immediately react to it because they are arbitrary and you will be amazed you can handle them and manoeuvre them through your vibrations, if you see them under microscope. If you want to go into it you can go into it, because first of all you have to convince these horrible people what else could be, and give up everything else and just accept it, be within it. We are curing people without any science with us. We are curing mad people without any science. After all, everything is for the betterment of human beings. We are improving food problem. We are improving even material problem, I mean, Lakshmi tattwa is improved in them. All these things can be done. And scientists can show that science taken to extreme can take [us] to destruction, which is not related to the whole. If you move in one direction, a linear movement, it just coils back and comes back to you. But if you are related to the whole then you know how to balance it, otherwise the nose starts growing or the ears start [growing] - it’s malignant. The growth of science, the modern science, is malignant. Even on Earth, if part of Earth starts growing, for example, on one side, the whole balance and equilibrium will be gone of the Earth, isn’t it! I mean if you see The Nature in its real completeness then you will see there’s such a balance existing. Science just moves like a blind horse in one direction. What is the use? Then you go to atom and from atom you go to atomic energy and from there to the destruction part. But if you had kept to the truth and to the complete, then you would not have gone that far. Alright, it’s useful for us, use it. Analysis destroys you, destroys all our character, everything. If you start analysing you, yourself, you’ll be destroyed. Take yourself as a whole. There are people I have known who analyse me also. Such silly fools I have seen. Haa, there are. It’s so fantastic, the way human beings go about with there small little brain! Anything they cannot explain in Sahaja Yoga. When you have the higher science to discover, forget the lower sciences. I mean, when you were a frog, you were only worried about the well where you lived but now today you are a human being, you are worried about other things. Now, if you become a super-human being, you should be worried about higher sciences. Now what have you achieved through science we can achieve in a second through Sahaja Yoga. Your material welfare can be, in a second we can improve it. If you get your Realisation, materially you will be better off. Most of the people they declare as coma and dead or lunatic and gone cases…they have not been able to cure any lunatic whatsoever. Once he goes to the lunatic asylum he just comes [out] as a corpse. He never comes back as a sane person. What your science has achieved so far? And in which way? Take to anything: political problems, anything. You try to have political, say democracy - you have created demonocracy. You wanted to have communism - it is nothing but killing everyone. Everything is a topsy turvy. Hello! How are you? Come here you come here! You’re daddy has come? Child: Yes. Shri Mataji: Where is he? Child: In there. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see, I see. Sit down, sit down, sit down. Good! Now any other question? Should we have some music? Yogi: Mother, what is the true meaning of your name ‘Shri Bhagawati’? I have seen several different translations of the name entirely different to each other. Shri Mataji: You see, ‘Bh’ ‘ga’: “Bhaga” means six things all together. They are the six attributes of God and Bhagawati is the power of God, that’s why She’s called that. Six basic attributes of God. First is innocence, second is creativity, third is…fatherliness, you can say, but is the one which nourishes. You see if you put the gardener and the Mother Earth together then what is the quality of them, is nourishment to grow, looking after, called as ‘palanhaar’. In English must be a word somewhere. The ‘Patron’? But ‘patron’ doesn’t mean all that, isn’t it. Yogi: Husbandry? Shri Mataji: Husbandry? ‘Husbandry’ is a funny word! (laughter) Yogi: ‘Paternal’ Mother. ‘Paternal’ Shri Mataji: But it is also maternal, you see. Yogini: Guardian? Shri Mataji: Guardian is only in control. You see all these things put together is ‘palanhaar’. Yogi: Sustainer. Shri Mataji: Sustenance is also there. But the kindness, the control, the looking after, the weeding out. All the beauties of that and the enjoyment of seeing your creation. The growth. The One who makes our growth possible. Then He is Almighty. Almighty. Nobody is more powerful than Him. He’s the most powerful. And He encompasses everything. He’s All-pervading and He knows everything - Sarvarupa. He knows everything, omniscient. This is ‘Bhaga’. And Bhagawati is the power of God. Without Bhagawati, God has no meaning. It’s like moon and moonlight, it’s like sun and sunlight. You cannot differentiate. They are just one and the same. Yogi: Is Bhagawati Adi Shakti then? Shri Mataji: Adi Shakti is the same as Bhagawati. She’s called by many names. One of them is Nirmala also.
6/1/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=11113	Message (THE LIFE ETERNAL, 1980 ISSUE, PAGE 1)	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	N	N	N	Quote	English	0	Message As prophesied in the scriptures, the phase of 'Last Judgement' has started. The testing ground is of great "illusion (Mahamaya) . Kundalini is the indicator of our balance and wisdom. She will evaluate, correct and evolve us. Sahaja Yoga gives you a chance to be fully your meaning. Take Full advantage of it. Establish your attention in the Absolute (Atman) and achieve the eternal life in the Kingdom of God. This lies more in the capacities and subtleties of subtler people. Later on the gross may follow.The early Sahaja Yogis are the foundation of this Empire of God. May God bless you all. London, June, 1980	null	null	null	Message As prophesied in the scriptures, the phase of 'Last Judgement' has started. The testing ground is of great "illusion (Mahamaya) . Kundalini is the indicator of our balance and wisdom. She will evaluate, correct and evolve us. Sahaja Yoga gives you a chance to be fully your meaning. Take Full advantage of it. Establish your attention in the Absolute (Atman) and achieve the eternal life in the Kingdom of God. This lies more in the capacities and subtleties of subtler people. Later on the gross may follow.The early Sahaja Yogis are the foundation of this Empire of God. May God bless you all. London, June, 1980
6/6/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6726	Why Are We Here?	England	Hampstead	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	85	Public Program, Hampstead, London (UK), 6 June 1980. Very beautiful personality. You’ve got awareness which is much higher than that of anything that is living created. For example, an animal doesn’t understand any beauty anywhere. An animal doesn’t understand if there is anything filthy or dirty or something smelling awfully. Animal doesn’t understand cleanliness, but human beings are so well created by God. They are so evolved that they can feel all these things, much, much more than animals or any other thing that is ever created before. At this point of awareness also we start thinking about something that is of the beyond. We start thinking that this is not the end of life. Why God has created us? Why did He create us out of amoeba with such care, with such love, with such delicacy? Why has he created us to be a human being? Is there any purpose in our life? Or are we just here to exist like animals then die, at the most, having some insurances to be paid for our children? Is that the end of this human life which is being created with such care? For thousands of years a little cell of amoeba or, say, a little unicellular animal has gone through such a tremendous change to become a human being with this fantastic awareness. Why? Why has he come on this Earth? Such a question must arise in every intelligent mind. And when such a question arises, the search starts in the real way. Before this all the search we have had as animals, I would say, has been up to a point, we can say, that it was for our preservation, for our food, for our excretion and all such things. But the real search has started in a very deeper way – which manifested at the human stage – was “what is the purpose of our living?” We are seeking our wholesomeness. We are trying to find out our significance in the whole. Why do we exist in this world as an entity? And this search has really taken up very, very seriously all over the world during the last fifty to sixty years. Can you imagine? It was never that widely acclaimed or asked for as it is today. There were few people; in a million, one would come up to ask a question like that. For example, at the time of Raja Janaka, who was a great saint and a great Sahaja Yogi, we can call it, one man called as Nachiketa came to him and asked him, “Sir, what am I?” So, Raja Janaka who was a householder, who had not renounced the world, he told him, “My child, don’t ask me this question. The time has not come. But if you want to know the question then you have to pass through certain tests.” It’s a big story about Raja Janaka, how he gave him realization. So, there was one man mentioned at that time who came to ask, “Who am I?” But today the situation is very different? Very, very different. And there are thousands of people who are seeking, even in this country, in a very sincere way. Not only in this country – all over the world, as I said it. But in the West the quest is much more evident. Because the quest that started earlier in the human mind was first about the knowledge, about the knowledge of all the elements around us. And they wanted to know what these elements can provide us. When they started seeking, then they discovered science, they discovered all the utility of the elements for our day-to-day life. By doing all that it happened that we have overcome most of our problems to exist. We have lots of time. We didn’t know what to do. Except that if you do not spend them in the pubs and things like that, I mean, we have really lot of time. And a feeling that we must save time started growing very strong in the modern human being. This came to us because there was an urge to seek. The time we needed to meditate to find out “what are we”. Now, when I’m speaking to you about something? What we are and what we have to be? You are not to take me for granted either. That would be very wrong, because if there is blind faith it’s not going to help you at all. If it is also a deny, it is not going to help you. It’s a very simple, practical, common sense. I can tell you how. For example, I say that there is a room, a big room, beyond there. Now, if you sit in this room and say, “Oh, I do believe you.” You do not go and see the room. Secondly, if you say, “No, I deny. I don’t believe you,” still you don’t see the room. So both ways it’s just the same. So, what you have to do, that is to see the room. And this is how you are going to see about the Kundalini, all these forces that are existing within us, with that open mind that, “Let us see. If it is so, it’s a very great thing.” Actually, human beings should be really very much thankful that there is a purpose in their life, that God has created them for a very great purpose. He has created them so that He can bestow His kingdom to them. So that as a very, very loving and compassionate Father, He could manifest His light, His whole, entire desire by giving you what He has, is His kingdom, is a fact. That’s why He has created us. And for that He has made all the arrangements within us. As you would know that we have done nothing whatsoever to become human being. I mean, nothing at all. And we cannot do. I mean, if you ask any one of the scientists to evolve a monkey into a human being, they cannot do it. You try anything. You cannot do it. That evolution has come to us effortlessly. We have done nothing about it. Let us accept this much, that we have done nothing about it. So, we have to know also that if we have to go further with it, if there is something missing still within us, we cannot do it, anything. It has to work out by His Will. It is His plan that is going to work it out. If we accept that, is a very big acceptance. Because once you accept such a situation then you know that you have to just watch and see. For example, when I tell you that within us lies all these three forces that are showing here, you have to see for yourself if they are there. Now we have shown here these three forces within us working, one which you can see, the left side one, which comes from brain on the left hand and goes right hand and goes to the left hand. The another force that comes from the left hand and goes to the right hand. What is the reason for movement and all that? Is a very big argument and, I mean, it’s a very big subject which, you can say, is a thing that works here, is the refraction of the energy. Now, the energy that comes to us first from the right to the left is the energy of our existence. Unless and until we exist, there is no, nothing can work out. It’s just existence, your emotional being, is just what you are, created by your past. Is your desire to exist. The greatest desire in the human being is to exist. If this desire diminishes then one should know that that person is a gone case. This desire comes to us, within us, as I showed you here, and exists on our left-hand side mostly and is responsible for collecting and manifesting all our past, all our psychic effects and what you call the psychic itself. So, all that is our conditioning. All that we have gone through in the past is all there. This is the power of desire. When a desire comes into us then we act on it. So we have to have the power to act. And the second one, the one you see on the right-hand side, which comes to us from the left-hand side, is the power of acting. The power of acting comes to us because we have to act, and we have to learn through making mistakes, the right things. Because the evolution in a human being has reached such a stage that he has to have his freedom, a complete freedom to develop himself fully, as he has to enter into the Kingdom of God. For animals, they are one with the Divine Power. They do not have any freedom. They, for them you see, if a tiger eats a man he doesn’t feel guilty about it. In the same way, you see, anything that they do, they think it is their nature, it is their swabhava, it’s the manifestation of themselves. So they do not feel responsible about it. They do not feel responsible for living or dying and they are not bothered about it. But for human being when they are acting, they act even for the future. Most of them do. Most of them only think about the future. “I will do this, I will do that, I have to go to Hampstead. Then I must start at five o’clock and I must reach there a little late, because if I go too early it won’t be all right,” and all these things we plan out. All this planning comes to us because we can do it. We can think of the future and we plan it out. But mostly these plans fail and these plans fail so funnily that we start wondering, “Now, is there any sense in planning about it or is there some another plan working and we are not fitting our plan into it?” Now, this planning capacity comes to us, or thinking capacity comes to us, from the right-side power which is called as the power of action – Kriya Shakti. These two manifest the central power, is the power by which we evolve. By desiring, by acting on it, we start evolving by learning the methods which are proper for us. So, the first thing human beings discovered was that going to extremes in anything is a wrong thing. That is the wisdom, not intelligence, but wisdom. When a person starts developing wisdom he understands that, “I’m going to extremes in everything.” But when there is no wisdom yet awakened in a person he says, “What’s wrong?” If you want to jump from the house top, “What’s wrong?” If you want to kill yourself, “What’s wrong?” If you want to do any harm to yourself you can ask the question, “What’s wrong?” Because if you go on rationalizing everything, everything seems to be all right. Even robbing the bank, “What’s wrong?” Even, even any kind of harm or war or anything, “What’s wrong?” if the point comes in, because there is no wisdom to judge that it is all wrong. This power of action is very, very powerful in the West. Because we are now standing in the soil of England and that because we have to deal with the Western problem, I’ll be more referring to the Western people and I hope you won’t mind. Because when I’m in England I’m absolutely English. And when I’m in the West Country, I’m absolutely Western. But when I’m in India I think I’m Indian. Actually, the person of my type is so abandoned that I really cannot identify myself with anything whatsoever. But please do not feel hurt if I say that in the West the problem is because of over-thinking. We cannot stop our thinking. There was the doctor, the other day I met in Switzerland. He told me, “Mother, You cut my throat or take out my brains? I don’t care? But stop thinking.” Our basic problem is that we have put our mind onto thinking process. And it is like a mad horse going straight forward into God knows as where, and it is dragging us along with us, and we really get tired thinking about it. In this action business, when thinking takes over, action is much less. It’s only thinking. You see, we sometimes think, “All right, we’ve made a file out of everything. Now it is in the file.” We think it’s done. Nothing is done, but it would be as far as we are concern we’ve finished the job and we are sitting idly enjoying ourselves because you’ve put it down in the file and thought of it. Actually, the evolution only starts when you start seeing the results of what you have done. And thank God today that is the situation in the West. If you tell this to the people who are developing today they will not believe, but this you can understand. When you have developed yourself economically so much, materially you have gone up so much, then you’ll find that the peace is lost somewhere in the whole run. We have lost the joy somewhere. We have lost our heart somewhere. We have become unhappy. Not that does not mean by any chance those who are ignorant of this fact are also happy. They will also go through the same circle because they are getting sophisticated, while you are already over-sophisticated and you realized that all this so-called sophistication has given us nothing but complete torture. We have alienated ourselves from others, we cannot communicate with others and some sort of a funny individual we are and we do not know how to face ourselves and we look at ourselves and laugh and know, “Now, what it is happening to us, we just don’t know.” This is a situation when we find ourselves and then we start seeking again our wholesomeness because we think we have lost it. Actually, the whole machinery is so well-developed and so beautifully placed that whatever you may try, it cannot break permanently. I’ve seen all types, you see, and all kinds who thought that suicide is the only way they can get out of it. I’ve seen they are all being put right. So this machinery is a special made, much better than English machinery and any other machinery that you think is the best? Like Germany, you may say. But is, I must say, surprisingly is such a fantastic machinery, despite that it is such a delicate thing inside us. And I’ve seen certain people who have got this Kundalini, this residual force, just trying to express its anger and its anguish, the way it has been ill-treated by individuals. Despite all that, she is there. Now, this is the power of germination within us called as Kundalini in Sanskrit language. I don’t think there is any word for it in English language. But they say it is a residual energy, is the energy which has produced the whole being and still exists there. That’s why it is called as a residual energy. And she exists in that sacrum bone. Now, this bone is called as sacrum even by Greeks – sacrum means sacred. Why? Because when the body burns, this bone does not get burned. This is one bone which you cannot burn. It remains. And that’s why it is called as sacred bone, maybe. But that shows how nicely this bone is specially make to preserve this delicate energy within us. Though it looks very delicate it’s a fantastic energy. This is placed there just for our connection with the Divine. Just as you have seen here, there are cords which are connected with this, which are to be put to the mains. In the same way God has also put those cords in you which are to be connected with the mains. It is there. You can see with your naked eyes that it pulsates. Thousands of people have seen it. Here are, there are at least fifty per cent people who have seen it – this Kundalini pulsating in the sacrum bone. So, when you talk of realization, about God, of a higher life, one should know one thing for definite: it cannot be something that you can already do. For example, some people think if they can jump they are becoming God. I mean, there are myths like this. Some people, say, think that if they can fly they have become God. Some people think if they can take out their clothes they have become God. I mean, all sorts of nonsense exist with human beings as they are. I don’t know. How they can accept such a thing? Whatever you can do, cannot be Divine. You cannot make this bone pulsate by anything else but Kundalini. When she starts wriggling, then you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of this Kundalini. You can see the rising of the Kundalini, with your naked eye. May not in all people. If there is no obstruction then the landing is so beautiful. Then the rising of the Kundalini is so beautiful, it happens in a second? Just split of a second. And you are not even aware and you are just there. Immediately you say, “Mother, I am so relaxed, absolutely.” The whole load has fallen down. The load is that of myth. It’s a myth within you. You are living with a very, very big myth. The biggest myth is that we are doing something. We actually don’t do anything. Nothing we do. What we do is to change one dead thing into another dead thing, playing like children. But can you transform one flower into a fruit? One. It’s too much to accept but its fact. We cannot sprout one seed, pull out those things, can you? It has to be a living force, and all that is living is done by God, or I call it God, you call it Nature, whatever you may call it. But there is something else that works it out. So we do not do anything whatsoever. Whatever we do is of no significance. But the One who does billions and billions of these things every moment, whosoever, He may be, has to do also this job for you. And this is what first of all we have to accept that we are not going to do it. Now I must tell you something about Kundalini because I know what you are thinking about? That you must have read some books about Kundalini. There are books about everything in this country, I’ve seen, and in every country. Surprisingly, I can’t understand that how can you do Kundalini awakening through books? I mean, you can’t even cure a person through books. You have to take the medicine. How can you make this living process work out through a book? Supposing you have to light this. If you start reading before it, “for lighting this, you do it like that”, so will it get ignited? You have to do the ignition itself. Otherwise, how will you do it? And when people write books also we have to know how many of them are really authorized to do it. Now, for other things, even if you do not have certain authorities, doesn’t matter. For example, if a doctor is there, say, if he is not a very holy person, it’s all right. He can make some underhand money, doesn’t matter. If he wants to take some more charge from people for operating or something or he’s a greedy man, doesn’t matter so much. He might have the debt that has to do it. Still, he can commercialize that. But Kundalini awakening is one thing one cannot commercialize. You cannot pay for it. You cannot pay, because it doesn’t understand money. It doesn’t. For example, if you go to a tree. I tell you very simple example, common sense it is. You go to a tree and say, “Hey, I want some fruits. You know, I’ll give you five hundred pounds.” It is that simple. You cannot pay for it. It is stupid people to pay that. It’s absolutely stupid, as if it would be stupid to pay the tree. Not only stupid but it is insulting. Because what is money? These all human beings have created money, this, that. See, it is not even the dust of God’s feet. What is money for Him? And a person who talks of Kundalini or who talks of higher life cannot be guided by material things, Cannot be, such a person has to be above this. Those people who have been taking money in the name of God or in the name of thing are all absolutely wrong. You have no business to make any private earnings out of His name. Who has given you authority? I mean, when Christ lived here, He worked as a carpenter, because His father was a carpenter. He had disciples; did He ask them to pay them three hundred pounds for something and then ten thousand pounds for something else? Did He? He lived with two robes. And it must be understood by all the Western people very clearly that you cannot purchase God. You can purchase the whole world but you cannot purchase God. One thing you cannot do is that you cannot purchase God. This is only they pamper your ego and befool you. You cannot purchase a godly person and you cannot purchase God. That is one thing we have to accept. And once we accept that, you’ll be surprised, our ego will come down. And people have exploited this ego in such a subtle way that I’m really ashamed, very much ashamed, the way they have come to these Western people. They are so sweet and beautiful seekers, so wonderful things, nice; they have exploited them. But I’ve been saying thing, this from 1970, loudly. I even took their names and told what they are doing, how they are mesmerizing, how they’re hypnotizing. This is not God. But nobody listened to me. They all built empires after empires and people were running after them. They wouldn’t care for me. When I went to America, they suggested to me that I should ask some money. Can you imagine? I said, “How much can you pay it? Let’s see. What have you got?” And this is what it is. This is the only thing that has really enticed the people, this befooling. So, one thing one has to know in Sahaja Yoga, that in Sahaja Yoga whatever you may be, you might be the king or you, whatever you may be, in the presence of Divine you are just the same as anybody else is. And that if you want to become, then only you are a member of Sahaja Yoga, Nothing else. We have no membership, as you know. We have no regular anything. But so-called organization we have got which is not even registered or anything is so called, is the organization of love and understanding. If you want to become, if you are genuinely wanting to become only then we are here. Because that is what all of us are here for. Why are we human beings? To become something. So beautiful, I wish you could have the vision of what God has in His mind for you and He has made all the arrangements within you, as I told you, how beautifully He has made you. It all exists within you. All these seven centers are within you. And as soon as the Kundalini rises and pierces this fontanel bone, which is the real Baptism, not the artificial one. Like you go to a theological college and you start baptizing. You cannot learn about it in the school. No, you cannot! It is an authority; comes through the grace of God. Such people cannot belong to any such organization, whether it is church, temple or anything. They cannot belong to anything. Everything belongs to them. So you must first have correct ideas as to what to expect, as to what to get within yourself and what you should find and what you should become. In this, naturally, you will be faced with many problems. And the greatest problem I’ve seen with people is that they are definitely misguided by the circus and the whole big platform, these so-called gurus and the fake people have floated in the market. So, first thing if you understand that there is no shopping in here. Finish off your shopping; leave it outside. And if you are still inclined towards one of the shoppers, you better go back. Here it is only open to people who are really seeking. Many people have criticized me for this that, “Mother, when you keep it free any Dick, Tom, Harry can walk in.” I said, “As far as God is concerned money doesn’t decide about the quality of a person”. If anything comes in like that, also goes out by the other door. So, we do not have to worry about this. Our job is to see that they receive for which they have come. Now it is impossible to believe in this modern times that there could be somebody who is doing this just for doing sake, because there is a person who just wants to love the whole world, because there is somebody who is nothing but love, and giving love is the only thing that satisfies the person. And there could be many like this, is an impossible situation for people to believe into. So we have to keep ourselves open. That this is what it is going to happen to us that we are going to jump into our collectiveness. It is going to be an experience and not a lecture that, “We are all brothers and sisters”, and all that. No. “Let us form a United Nations or a world government.” Nothing of the kind. We are going to become, again I say, is an experience, means that is going to be awakened within us in our awareness; we are going to feel it, subject it. Means, when the Kundalini rises out of these seven chakras? The seventh one is just to guard? The six chakras are pierced in. Then from your hands a cool breeze starts flowing. This cool breeze is the Breeze of the Holy Ghost. We called her as the Adishakti, is the breeze of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, which is flowing on our central nervous system, and we can feel it. It is an experience which we can feel it and is a permanent experience. You can feel it, what are the fingers that are burning. You can feel it, what are the fingers that are giving cool breeze. And all these fingers denote your different centers. And these centers are within us. You can see here clearly how they are denoting the first center is here. Then the second center is here. Then the third center is here. The fourth one here, is the heart and the fifth one is the one which is here, is expressed in this one. And the sixth one, which is in the center of pituitary and a pineal body, you can say, at the optic chiasma point, is this one and this is the center here, is the limbic area or what we call as the Brahmarandra, means the hole to the Divine. Actually, you start feeling it. Now, if you have ten realized children, you put these ten realized children in a room and bring a new person inside, cover their heads with some sort of a, whatever they like, you know – you cannot force children to do something horrid – but if you can, cover their eyes. Now, ask them, “What is the problem with this person?” Immediately they will show you the same finger. For example, they show you this finger, means the person is suffering from bronchitis, because this is the finger of the throat on the right-hand side, means this is the finger of the throat on the physical level. Left-hand side is the emotional and the right-hand side is the physical. But it must happen to you. First this must happen. If it does not happen nobody can help you. You shouldn’t be angry because it has not happened to you. One can work, one can work hard. I have been working for days ……….. [UNCLEAR] and nights together. You can ask these people, I’ve been really working very hard. But this love sometimes is not received properly. Maybe you have some physical problem that has to be cured and as a result of this many, many ailments are cured which are supposed to be incurable. Now, I’m not a healer by any chance. Because I’ve seen some of the people immediately must be thinking about a third aunt, of the fourth husband, of the fifth son, like that, who is down with cancer. Unless and until you get your realization, you do not get the blessings of the Divine. First thing is your realization. Once you get your realization you’ll be amazed that automatically your ailments will go away, because when you start using your energy through your sympathetic system, you start using your left or the right side. When you use your left and right side too much then the center suffers the exhaustion. When the exhaustion is established, then you might get even malignancy, you might get cancer. You can get any disease due to that. But when the Kundalini rises through these centers she nourishes them, she integrates them and when she pierces this Brahmarandra the grace starts flowing. And it fills you completely. The whole, the whole integrated vital energy starts flowing within you and you feel absolutely blessed, cleansed, and light, and beautiful. That is just the feeling I’m talking about, but the main thing is that you become empowered with your own powers by which you can give realization to others and you can raise their Kundalini. It is too fantastic to believe. Really, it is too fantastic. But I will tell you an example how it will works out. Supposing, I say, there are lots of pictures and things in here and a music, in this room, you will be amazed. You won’t believe me. But if I bring a television and put it to the mains, it will start manifesting and then you’ll have to believe into that. It is just the same, your instrument is made that beautifully. I have to just prove it to you that you are a beautiful person and not only that but when it manifests, it manifests all its beauty and all its dimension and the new dimension of collectivity, of collective consciousness. This is the solution of the problems of the world. For example, even on political level, if you see that when you have your powers you are the greatest capitalist because you have all the powers. I must say, I am the great capitalist because I’ve lots of powers about it. But I cannot help it enjoying unless and until I give it to others. So I’m the greatest communist as well. Unless and until you share it, you cannot enjoy it. But this is not on the mental level. It is the level of actuality. This is the level at which you are. And that is the level I’m talking about which will be. In that you jump into a new awareness. For this you must know that thousands of years back, people have worked it out. Of course, maybe there were one or two people. At the time of Christ also very few people might have been realized souls. John the Baptist was a realized soul and He tried his level best, even putting people into the water to cleanse them and did everything. But I don’t think he could succeed with that, because perhaps the time had not come. For example, when there, the tree is planted you get one or two fruits coming out of it. But when there is a blossom time, so many of them, thousands of them, you see them getting converted into a new thing. It’s not conversion of words, is not transformation of just giving a big lecture to you. It’s a transformation which is an actuality. By finding out your absolute, by finding out your meaning, all other nonsensical things just drop out like that. There are many here who have given up drugs. There were some horrible drug addicts. We had horrible drug addicts. They couldn’t even see me when they came to me. They were under coma conditions when they started seeing me. You see, they could only see light coming out of me and all kinds of experiences they had. But today they are sensible people. I didn’t tell them to give up. It just works out because when you have found out yourself you don’t care for all these things. If you have found out the gold will you put on these false ornaments on your body? When you have found out the nectar are you going to drink this dirty water? That is what happens to you, should happen, is being promised before and that promise is to be fulfilled. Now the question comes in, “Then why you?” That’s very true. Why? Somebody has to do it, isn’t it? Someone has to do it. Supposing you want to do it, please do it. I’ll be very happy because I’m really tired. Can you do it? No. That’s why Me. I really tell you: there is no way out for me because I have to do it. But for this why should you feel hurt, so hurt? I mean, so many people do things for you, don’t they? I mean, you feel thankful to them for anything if they do for you. But for this if I do it, why should you be angry and unhappy about it? I mean, you just think of it. If somebody is doing something for you, at least you should be thankful. I mean, this is my job, you know. I don’t know many things. For example, if this goes out I cannot correct it. I cannot put on anything that is electrical. I don’t understand your laws. I don’t understand many things. Economics I’ll read, but I’ll never know. I don’t understand your politics. I don’t understand human beings of all the persons. But something I do. And that is this. I mean, you know so many things. I have to ask you. For example, I don’t know how to drive. I mean, there’s somebody who drives me down, always. I do not feel hurt if somebody has to drive me and I cannot drive. In the same way, you should see in this way, in a very simple way, that this lady knows this job. And I’m paid for it because I see the smiles on your faces, because I see the joy rising. I see you finding that which I have within me. It’s the greatest thing, the greatest thing that one can see. There’s nothing more joy-giving, nothing more fulfilling than this. I want to invite you to this beautiful experience. I mean, on Kundalini I must have so spoken, I don’t know, hundreds of times in London, and there are at least more than hundred tapes they have got on this, into very detailed things. I’ve talked about ego, about superego. You can see the ego, that yellow stuff there. It’s the ego, you see, which through our action works out and it’s there in the head, you know. Sometimes can be very big. I’ve seen in some of them, you know, like a big turban, yellow turban coming up. Can be horrible. And, yeah, and you don’t know how to put it down and you have to be very, very careful with that. With this superego is on the other side where, by which you could be a possessed person, or you could be, just be a melancholic person. Like we had one gentleman who used to all the time cry in my program. I said, “What’s the matter?” He said “You know, I’ve read Lord Byron.” I said, “Now, what to do with this Lord Byron? Can’t you read somebody better?” He said “No, Mother, I’m absolutely infatuated by him.” “Now,” I said, “all right, you take another life. Forget this man, Lord Byron. Then we`ll see what to do.” Because he would not stop crying. Both the things are just the same, whether it is ego or superego. Both can affect your realization. But still, I must say, I have worked out most of the permutations and combinations so far. Let’s see if I find something new this time, is an experience. It’s quite challenging also. But one should not feel in any way diffident, because you might have read some books about Kundalini, that when you have a Kundalini rising you start jumping like a frog. I mean, are you going to become frogs now, in your evolution? A simple question. You start jumping like a frog. How can you be jumping like a frog? Or you start flying like a bird. Are you going to become a bird? Or else they say that you get a shock. How can that be? Now think: this is your Mother. And she is your Mother only. And she has been your Mother throughout. Is she give you a shock? I mean, I’ve not known mothers who are waiting for ages together for the birth of the child, start giving shock to the child. I mean, you don’t think God could be that cruel as to create something like that. This is because people are absolutely unauthorized. So many of them are absolutely naive. I would say, I do not want to condemn them much more than that. But I would say it is condemnable to get into something which they do not know about. For example, a villager comes to a city and he puts both the hands in the, say, into the plug and says, “Oh, I got a shock.” An electricity means “shock”. What will you say to such a man? Who asked him to put both the hands in the plug? In the same way a person who doesn’t have the authority, means that purity of heart, that purity of sense, that purity of dedication, has nothing to do with Kundalini. They are not realized souls. They’re absolutely unauthorized. And if they have got these experiences are, just to warn them that they should behave themselves properly. Kundalini can never, can never trouble you. At the most a little heat some people feel. Especially I’ve seen in certain cases and certain diseases, you feel the heat. Now, the fantastic cures of Kundalini awakening have been mostly of cancer. Cancer can only be cured through Kundalini awakening. Now, this I have been saying from 1970. Now I’ve done this miracle in the sense that it has worked out that I’ve been able to convince our government about it. And they want to have a regular, sort of a working out of this special method through our Health Ministry. But I told them I don’t understand Parliament, I don’t understand any of that such nonsense, I don’t want to have any questioning in the Parliament. I don’t know how will you make me meet because so far always governments have been against all the saints. They crucified Christ. Anybody who came in was crucified very nicely. And all the horrible people were given great welcome in this world. See Hitler, see Napoleon, see all these people. While Christ was crucified. So I told them, “I don’t understand your Parliament. I don’t understand all these things.” So, for us it’s a task now to establish it in such a way that it doesn’t collide with the norms of the things that people have created for us. We do not know anything about the political differences and all these human created problems. These are all foolish things just created by the foolish ideas of human beings. It’s so mythical and so stupid that they, I don’t understand why should anyone pay attention to it. They will all drop out, you’ll be amazed. When you come in this room, supposing it is all dark you’ll be fumbling here and fumbling there. You might say that this room is just a book, if you feel a book there. But if you see everything in the light you think, “What foolishness they are doing and making everybody mad with their idea. They are all blind.” Sahaja Yoga is the one that says, “You get your light first of all.” You must get your light. If you get your light, then only you will be able to see what is the truth. First you see the Truth, is the main point. Now, in that there is no argument. By arguing I cannot give you. I’ve seen people standing with the sword in one hand, “Give me Realization.” Now, how, what am I to do, you see? You cannot argue it out. It has to work. It works out for people who are thought to be the absolutely gone cases, you see, absolutely wretched, horrible he is, useless, good for nothing and he is the first one to get the realization. What am I to do? Now you may say, “Mother, how can it be possible?” If some people look very, you see, gracious and very helpful type, they are running three, four organizations of charities and feeling guilty for, say, Vietnam, where people were killed, and all sorts of nonsense that goes on like this, may not get any realization and one who is just standing near the street and says, “Mother,” he might get it. This is the Last Judgment of your quality. This is the Last Judgment. And one must know that the Last Judgment is not going to come with a big weighing machine. How are we going to know? Through Kundalini awakening the judgment has to take place. And you are judged and judged and judged. But this judgment is so beautiful that you are not damned with anything, you are not completely imprisoned. But you are given a chance to improve, to reform, to be perfect, and to enjoy the beauty that is promised, the beauty that is described, the beauty that we are, the beauty that is Truth, that is bliss, that’s Heaven. That’s what it is. I’m talking about Sahaja Yoga. It sounds very fantastic. Everybody has used my words. I went to America and for that, I was the first to go there, and I was speaking; they had all tape recorders, everything they taped it and those people who were there they told me, “Mother, what are you doing? Why do you allow them to tape it?” I said “Why?” They said, “They will use your words.” I said, “Let them use.” “And they will use your ideas.” I said, “Let them use, very good idea. It will spread.” Then they said, “They will make money out of these.” I said, “Let them make.” But they cannot give realization. They have to come to me for realization. They have to take their Realization and then only they can work it out. It will be all talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. What does it matter? I’m in no danger. On the contrary I feel better. Some ideas will trickle into. It has worked. It has worked, no doubt. So, if somebody talks about Divine and talks about God, everything, then one must know that by talking you do not get to God. It’s a happening. If it works out, you are the most fortunate person, most fortunate person and we have had so many people in this great country. I think England is the heart of the Universe. It is the heart. India has the Kundalini but England is the heart. I’ve said it many a times. People are not that shifty, neither that arrogant, in the center, but like rather hard nuts, you see. They take time. They take time. They are little bit skeptical and could be quite wondering because it is too much for them. But still, they are very steady people and it goes down very deep into them. I’ve seen, I’ve always said it also, that the best young people are in England. I don’t know for what reason because I have now experience from Russia onwards to Australia I go round, and everywhere. But most surprising thing is that even Australia which is supposed to be they were convicts and things like that, is taking it up just like that. Only two people came from Australia and the way they are doing it, it is amazing. So, let’s see what happens today in this beautiful place, Hampstead. If it works out, very good and it should. I’m going to be here with you for six years at least, I hope so and I’m sure within that period, many, many should get it. But you must know that here is only your dedication and understanding which is going to keep you persisting into it and nothing else. Because our habit is, if you pay ten pounds, say, to see a play and the play is horrid, absolutely you can’t bear it, but you go through it. You see, you paid ten pounds so you can’t go back. Because you have not paid any money here, there is no binding force. You have to little bit bind yourself and come down a little onto it and work it out yourself. Because you are in complete freedom, complete freedom to stick on or go away. Nobody is going to force. It is for you to decide. Nobody is going to decide for you. At the most the other Sahaja Yogis may tell you that “please”, you see, this is a tricky stage. You just see now, you are just going to slip out.” They may tell you because they all have slipped out like that. Can you imagine, I was working only on six hippies for four years in London? Then, by chance, they all got all right, everything was fine, and they are today very great Sahaja yogis. So, it can work out with everyone. And once it started triggering it is triggering very fast. I would like you to ask me any questions, if you have any and answer them. But for meditation you must know you have to dedicate yourself with the idea that you have to get it. The time has come. The moment may be today. Today is the time for giving meaning to all your lives and to all your seeking. May God bless you. Thank you. Shri Mataji: Is there any question? Any question? Please, ask me. You can read this also. Seeker: ……..[UNCLEAR] Mother, to a person who has lost the desire? It’s something that I’ve been carrying, I shouldn’t mention that. Shri Mataji: Forget it. Have you lost your desire to exist? Ha? Seeker: All right, I think I don’t desire to live much. Some other time, not to kill myself, but. Shri Mataji: You see, I know it’s desperate sometimes, you know, the things are. But that is the sign of a great saint also, is a sign of a seeking, you know. You feel, “What’s the meaning?” After all, you have not found the meaning. So you feel that way. It’s all right. But not for Sahaja Yoga, I didn’t say you are a gone case for Sahaja Yoga. All right? May God bless you. Like I met two girls, one was eighteen, another was nineteen, from Sweden, Sweden. Now, just imagine, Sweden. The people are so very rich there. And both of them had vibrations like a dead body, absolutely numbed out. I called them, “Is it true?” I mean, my heart was pounding, absolutely. I couldn’t understand. Such love and such compassion started flowing and I said “You, the young people just now blooming out. What’s the matter? What do you think about death?” They said, “We are all the time doing nothing but planning about death.” Can you imagine? How miserable it is, how horrible it is. But for Sahaja Yoga that’s a good sign because you are really desperately seeking it. But on the whole one should be a cheerful person, is a good idea to be cheerful. After all, you are entering into the Kingdom of God. Now if you are, say, even going to 10 Downing Street and if you have a very long face, you see, people will say, “Put, put up a little smile.” So we have, I have told them that if you have to say the first mantra is “cheese”. All right? What about you saying “cheese” once or twice? Will be good idea. Mmm. Good idea. It will work out. Mmm. Is there any other question? Please. Seeker: Mother, we have a small talk from somebody before you, an any, he said you were prophesied in all the Scriptures, that, that he’d …….. [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Oh, did they say so? I told him not to say this. We’ll get these problems, you see. Now, forget it, forget it. You better find out later on. All right? Who said that, Marcus? How dare you? No, no, no. Forget it. Forget it. You see, this is all to be found out later. It would be something like telling someone, you see, that as soon as you get inside the room you will find somebody like that and you just don’t want to get in, you see. So, please, forget all that. If he has said all this. Did you? Sahaja yogi: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Could be frightening. Sahaja yogi: It’s reality. This is reality. ….. [UNCLEAR] and it is so nice to settle down and then these things really works. And he told me this and this and …… [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Now, the fragrance you will get because, because this is your own fragrance, for your information. Because you are made of the, one of the centers – the lowest one – is made from the Mother Earth, you see, the soil. And the soil, the essence of the Mother Earth, is fragrance. So, it starts breaking up. You see, you come into your subtler being. So first sometimes you get a tremendous fragrance also. Sometimes you may just see a little light also coming in you or maybe you might see all these things. But what I would say, that when we have to go to the airport you don’t see all these thing around. It’s nice to see it, isn’t it? But best is to go to the airport. All right? I’m happy you are having a comfortable journey. That’s a good thing. Yes, it is just to give you some comfort that, and it is fragrance you’ll get many a times, whenever you think of me. It’s true. Seeker 1: So us to improve is the main reason you have to come …. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Yes, I have. I have. We have… Seeker 1: …. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Yes, in Caxton Hall we have the program every Monday. Caxton Hall. And otherwise also they are organizing my program all over. We have been to many places. Like Chiswick in, lots of, Enfield and lots of places I’ve been to. And also all over England, I have tried to cover as many places as possible. Seeker1: How do we come to progress? Shri Mataji: How to progress? Yes, that is. Seeker 1: Not to be concernedly about. Shri Mataji: No, we have also a little ashram which is rented by some of the Sahaja yogis where we meet every Sunday in the afternoon, where we tell people how to progress, how to go further, and how to work it out. And there the greater intimate relationship is established among all of you to understand it. And they look after also some personal problems and things. Yes? Seeker 2: Nothing, I have turned actually, I am a bit cold because, you see, that’s my position. Unless…… [UNCLEAR] I was going to sit down there. Shri Mataji: All right. I think… I would suggest… Seeker 2: I also wouldn’t stop it, stubborn for that, but then it keeps on my nerves. Shri Mataji: All right, please, sit down. Here. Seeker 2: Its one way open. Shri Mataji: All right. Just is all right. Now, what I would suggest, that if you want to have a tape of this my speech you can just… Please. Seeker 2: …. [UNCLEAR] If I had like …. [UNCLEAR] then I would shut it down as I came in. That’s what is all right. It looks as he only does it for me. Shri Mataji: All right, all right. Now it’s all right. You can take the tape. I mean, if you give a tape to these people, they will tape it for you and give it to you as much as you like, as many as you want. So, just… you have to just give a tape to them because, you see, as I told, we don’t take any money or anything but we shouldn’t expect others to pay for our tapes also. I mean, it should not be the other way round. Seeker 3: I know that also …… [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji, was healed and he was a doctor. ……. [UNCLEAR], Shri Mataji what, what should be done to Western Europeans or this could also cure them? Shri Mataji: What should we? Sahaja yogini: What should be done to these Western Europeans well to cure them? Shri Mataji: This is what I’m doing. It was necessary, you see, for you to progress that way, to see for yourself that there’s something wrong. And this is what I’m doing here, is to raise your Kundalini. This is the solution of the problem. Not by running away from it, but just by facing it you will see that. It will happen. There are so many people already here who are all Western people with the Western brains, over-developed. They have become this. Sometimes, some of them do get this Mister Ego coming back onto them, but now they can see it. Unless and until you get out of your car you cannot see it, you cannot cure it. So to cure yourself you must get out of it. Then only you can cure it. Is it all right now? To cure it, all of you must get out of the car to see it. Seeker 3: And once we see it? Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon. Seeker 3: And once we see it, what do we do? Sahaja yogi: Once we see it, what do we do? Shri Mataji: Now, it is a question, is very simple and can be answered very simply that once it is lighted what does it do? Seeker 3: It turns then on. Shri Mataji: And it gives light. Seeker 3: hence, it can also give darkness. Shri Mataji: No, but you give light. All right? That’s what happens. When you get it you give light to others. You become to others. You enjoy your own light. The light starts flowing through you. You enjoy that light. And you give light. A very good simile is given like a hollow flute. You become the hollow flute through which the melody flows. And others say that it is you who is playing but actually you see the melody flowing and enjoying it. You become that. Seeker 3: But this light does not help us with our problems, the problems which influence my life. Shri Mataji: The problems that influence your life are because of… Seeker 3: They are important, too. Shri Mataji: No, they are very much there, because you have not known yourself. Seeker 3: Pardon? Shri Mataji: Because you have not known yourself. You see, supposing I start driving the car I will jump into every problem. But if I, I know how to drive I’ll manage it. You become the master. Seeker 3: Not everybody. Shri Mataji: Yes, it does. They have, necessarily. They do. It is necessary. That’s why it happens. Seeker 3: Not really, other people driving also know how to drive but keep it to their own; more often do not. Shri Mataji: It is, it is not like that, the way you are taking analogy too far. It is that you become the master of your own problems. You start seeing the problems with a different angle. You see, now supposing you are – I’m giving analogy just to make you understand but you cannot pull it to that extend, you see, that confuses you. Try to understand it, not to confuse yourself more, but to understand. You see, to solve a problem you must try to face it and try to understand it. Now, for example, say, you are in the water. All right? Now, there are waves in the water and you are, you are in it and you don’t know how to swim. So, you are bothered about it. But supposing you know how to swim, you’ll enjoy it. All right? That’s it. Now, is it all right? Seeker 4: Yes. No, it’s not. It’s very bad, actually. Or I don’t know if it’s bad but it’s also related to …….[UNCLEAR] more straight on the Eastern theory …….[UNCLEAR] in the East……[UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: What is he saying? All right. You see, these are all problems of dogmas and all out of ignorance. I have to tell you that Christ is living within us. He exists within us. We cannot deny Him. He is within us here, as I told you, behind, inside there. He is there. But you have not yet awakened Him. You are not connected with Him. That’s the only problem. And we’ll see ourselves how it works out. If all these deities are awakened within us, which are there, then they manifest their powers. Now, what is the power of Christ? Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: What’s the thing? Sahaja yogini: It’s something about meeting snakes. Shri Mataji: Aha! Yes, yes. Yes, yes. The way he condemned, you mean to say. John had condemned them, is it? You are saying about that? Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: It all comes out of ignorance about it, you see? People try to dominate others; some people try to take domination from others. It all comes out of ignorance. All these things have come out of ignorance. Is even sum total, I would say. Because in one lecture you cannot deal with such… so many varieties. But in the, on the whole I will say, it’s all ignorance. See, when you are there you do not dominate anyone; neither you take domination from anyone. You are just standing, it happens, it happens, worth trying. Why not? All right? Worth trying, isn’t it? It looks fantastic; that’s all. If you forget that part, let’s try. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Left and right is he said? Sahaja yogini: I don’t know. He said that it’s a different thing. It’s a different part of the body when, when they said evolution from, from the centers there. Shri Mataji: But the evolution is going out? Sahaja yogini: When he said evolution and he said it yet means associate to different things which is expanded in different parts of the body. Shri Mataji: Yes, that`s all developed in our evolution. You see, the association comes like this that first our left side developed much more, you see, and then the right side developed. And at the time now, today where we are placed, we are developed in such a way that our right side is much more effective sand it’s much more dominating than the left side, especially in the West, you see. But how it relates, how it relates to our fingers and all that, that you can see yourself. Gradually you will see yourself. It is to be seen as I said it. You cannot by argument understand it. You should see it yourself. Seeker 4: So assuming that, then …… [UNCLEAR] paralyzed on my right hand side. The thing is that if I am jealous about… Shri Mataji: Not paralyzed. They were not. But if you take a primitive man. Take it like that, all right? The primitive man doesn’t have his right side so much developed. And the, and the person who is over-developed his right side has a much more overpowering on the left-hand side in the sense that the, if you see the yellow side of that balloon oppresses the left side and the person becomes very dominating person. So, on the primitive person, say for example, some people who have taken to, say, primitive life, outside, they cannot become primitive, brain-wise. They cannot. You see, outside you might wear clothes of primitive people but inside the brain has developed like that. So, by Sahaja Yoga what we do is to bring you to the balance. Both things are brought in the balance. Once they are brought to the balance, you get it. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Sahaja yogi: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: You see, whatever you have known. No, no listen, I’ll answer this question, very simply. Now, whatever you have known or read about anything, or have been discovered, what has it produced? What has it produced? What is the effect? Nothing. But you will see yourself that it is so. Even people, you will be amazed, I’ll tell you, I’ve seen people who are very, must have been very egoistical once upon a time, all right? But then they took to drugs which take them to the left side. There are many drugs, alcoholic especially, not LSD but things like hashish and all that, you develop, start developing your left-hand side. Specially people who go to spiritualists. They have a very strong left-hand side development and the big wobbling going on, you know. It’s very unsteady condition. Sometimes this comes up this side, sometimes this comes up. And lots of permutations and combinations, but in a simple way I’ve told you. It works out in very, lots of permutations. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: No, no. I have seen that, but you see for yourself. What you are saying is out of your own knowledge which has no shown any results, but I’ve seen people who take LSD move more towards the right. They have supraconscious effects. They show more on the lights and all those things, its supraconsious. When you go deep into it you’ll see yourself. You should see yourself. What I’m saying you should see yourself. Without that there is not assumption. I’m not saying you have to believe anything that I’m telling. But you see yourself. But if you have previous ideas, the fifteenth century ideas or something like that, that is not improved to you. Today I’m sitting before you, isn’t it? Forget those fifteenth century things. Just now you should know that I’m sitting before you to show you something, which you see yourself. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: What is it? What do you suggest? What is he suggesting? Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Yes. I mean, you see, you people are – that is one thing about the West – too much rumbling into useless discussion. You see, even in Sahaja Yoga, they get realization and Indian, you see, if he gets a realization, he just get into it, He enjoys it. But a Western man, you see, he gets realization, then he starts thinking about it, he goes into this, and goes. Oh, God, he is such a headache to himself. Shri Mataji: No, no, please, please. Now, Colleen, don’t handle it. Please, sit down. Please, sit down. I’ll handle the situation. No, please don’t. You are not to handle the situation. These are not Sahaja yogis. You see, these are come for the first time. You must know that. They don’t understand the importance. So you don’t say anything to them, ha? Please. Seeker 4: By going from the left-hand side, to the right side whatever the emotions and intuition, that is the left side of the body. And then left side of the brain and what does we next do [unclear] that more to go the right side. Shri Mataji: He’s got it. He’s got it. He’s got it. Seeker 4: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: He’s got it. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Correct. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] and therefore more rational. Shri Mataji: Very good. He’s understood it better, Correct. But you don’t worry about these things, my children. You don’t worry. You see, we should see it, we should get it, we should become that, and experiment it. All right? That’s what is there, you see, is a thing to be seen. It’s nothing written in the book or some theory being propounded. I’m saying, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it.” But, say, if I’ve done the cooking also, as a Mother has done it, no doubt, but if you are not hungry you will go on asking Me, “From where did You get it? From which supermarket?” That’s true. All right. I understand that. But if you are hungry, you’ll just get to it. You’ll get it, I tell you. That’s how it is. I was traveling to America first and luckily I went to “Penang” and there’s a very famous doctor Yang, very famous doctor. And he heard about my coming, you see. I was having my lunch. And it was a split-level area where I was sitting and I was eating my lunch. He came and sat down. He said, “I’m Doctor Yang. Mother, I’ve come.” I said “Really?” I left my lunch. I came down. So, my hostess has said, “What is it? You left your lunch?” I said, “My child has come now, finished, done. I’ve taken my lunch.” He got it. He got it in a minute. It is, it is that. What I’m saying is the quality, is that. That is the quality. And it’s your own. You see, just see the common sense. Use your common sense. See, there is some chocolate here, all right? It’s free for you. If you want to have it, you’ll have it. Will you argue? But I find that there is diamond. And yet not diamond but a diamond which is invaluable. People will start coming from Australia. Will they argue? I say that, today it is there. Better have it. If you are fortunate, you will get it. Is for you to see the fortunes. Seeker 3: And then listening, they say when it happens, it happens. And we don’t have any control over the happenings. It’s God’s grace, and how to get it, well, that’s the point. Shri Mataji: He’s very right person, Typical Indian. That’s the difference, Tremendous. Yeah. That is the vibrations of the country of such. I must say I’m sorry but it is. We have to ask, “How? Mother, let’s have it.” What important thing is that by which we get it. “Let’s have it, Mother.” All right? I’m requesting you just to have it, can you imagine? Settle down your minds. “Why I ask questions?” Because this silly mind is like a mad horse, you see. It will start driving you. “Oh, you didn’t ask this important question.” That’s why I said it. But there is nothing more important than becoming yourself. For this you don’t need any education. Nothing. You have to just feel it from your heart that you have to have it. You’ll understand it in no time as soon as you have it. That’s what it is. It’s simple. We have to reconcile ourselves to one thing, we have not found it so far. With all our thinking and dogmas and arguments, and everything that we have done we have not yet found out the solution. If Mother says so, let’s find out. First thing is to experience yourself not by anybody else telling you. Just experience. You must change the role now. Then you will understand. There is no parliament going on here. All right? Like you can ask that I am responsible, that you have elected me. No, it’s not that. There is somebody who is giving you something as a present. Something who loves you very much has cooked for you a beautiful meal and is requesting you to have it. It’s very different. You change your role and you will get it. That’s the different point. Because we have never been loved that much so far. We have never been cared that much. We have lost our self-esteem. Nobody has thought of us that way. Change that role, for you must know that God who has created us is love and affection, and compassion. He is the ocean of love. And all that is going to work for you. Why worry? It is His job, He is going to do for you. Just leave it into His hands. Let’s see, if it works out. All right? Can we do it that? Now, how do we do it, it’s the best point, which he has asked the question. Is there, get to the point. How do we do it? Very simple. As I have told you, these fingers are representing all our centers. So we have to get our centers ignited. How we do enlighten this light? Is bringing an enlightened thing near it and it enlightens, Simple. The light is its own, the power its own, the whole oil is its own, everything is its own. Only one light comes near it, which is enlightened and enlightens it. That’s all. Just put your hands towards me like this, Simple. Please, take out your shoes, because shoes sometimes obstruct the flow, that’s all. Just put your feet straight on the ground. Just for a while. Just touching the ground will help you. It’s very simple. Take out your shoes, please, all of you. Will you please take out this? Seeker 3: I won’t be able. I will get a problem. Shri Mataji: Ha? You won’t be able to? Please, take out. Please, take out, for five minutes. It’s not much. The virtuous understand things better, faster as it is said. These munis can understand. In the same way, try to understand it more than repelling it. It’s for your good. Just put your hands towards me just like that. Just like that. Now, close your eyes. I give explanation for whatever I tell you because without explanation you’ll ask the question, “Why to close your eyes?” Because, when the Kundalini rises, in this center of Agnya, then there’s a dilatation of the pupil, and to make the flow all right you better keep your eyes shut. There’s no hypnosis on. Please, keep just your eyes and tell your mind that, “You have never helped me so far. Now please, for Heaven’s sake, keep quiet.” Tell your mind that, “You have not helped me so far. Let me keep quiet within myself.” Keep your eyes shut and watch your thoughts. As soon as the Kundalini will cross this point you will find you are blank but you are aware, absolutely aware. You are thoughtless but you are aware. And when the Kundalini pierces this point you will find a cool breeze will start flowing towards you. Some of you may be already awakened people. Please put both the hands straight on the ground. Must have self-esteem, must have self-respect, and of all the things is love for yourself. You are doing it because you have to love yourself. Not to condemn yourself anymore. Some people are having a fashion of condemning oneself, its feeling guilty business. One must know that He is the ocean of compassion and He is the ocean of cleansing. There is nothing that He cannot cleanse.	null	null	null	Public Program, Hampstead, London (UK), 6 June 1980. Very beautiful personality. You’ve got awareness which is much higher than that of anything that is living created. For example, an animal doesn’t understand any beauty anywhere. An animal doesn’t understand if there is anything filthy or dirty or something smelling awfully. Animal doesn’t understand cleanliness, but human beings are so well created by God. They are so evolved that they can feel all these things, much, much more than animals or any other thing that is ever created before. At this point of awareness also we start thinking about something that is of the beyond. We start thinking that this is not the end of life. Why God has created us? Why did He create us out of amoeba with such care, with such love, with such delicacy? Why has he created us to be a human being? Is there any purpose in our life? Or are we just here to exist like animals then die, at the most, having some insurances to be paid for our children? Is that the end of this human life which is being created with such care? For thousands of years a little cell of amoeba or, say, a little unicellular animal has gone through such a tremendous change to become a human being with this fantastic awareness. Why? Why has he come on this Earth? Such a question must arise in every intelligent mind. And when such a question arises, the search starts in the real way. Before this all the search we have had as animals, I would say, has been up to a point, we can say, that it was for our preservation, for our food, for our excretion and all such things. But the real search has started in a very deeper way – which manifested at the human stage – was “what is the purpose of our living?” We are seeking our wholesomeness. We are trying to find out our significance in the whole. Why do we exist in this world as an entity? And this search has really taken up very, very seriously all over the world during the last fifty to sixty years. Can you imagine? It was never that widely acclaimed or asked for as it is today. There were few people; in a million, one would come up to ask a question like that. For example, at the time of Raja Janaka, who was a great saint and a great Sahaja Yogi, we can call it, one man called as Nachiketa came to him and asked him, “Sir, what am I?” So, Raja Janaka who was a householder, who had not renounced the world, he told him, “My child, don’t ask me this question. The time has not come. But if you want to know the question then you have to pass through certain tests.” It’s a big story about Raja Janaka, how he gave him realization. So, there was one man mentioned at that time who came to ask, “Who am I?” But today the situation is very different? Very, very different. And there are thousands of people who are seeking, even in this country, in a very sincere way. Not only in this country – all over the world, as I said it. But in the West the quest is much more evident. Because the quest that started earlier in the human mind was first about the knowledge, about the knowledge of all the elements around us. And they wanted to know what these elements can provide us. When they started seeking, then they discovered science, they discovered all the utility of the elements for our day-to-day life. By doing all that it happened that we have overcome most of our problems to exist. We have lots of time. We didn’t know what to do. Except that if you do not spend them in the pubs and things like that, I mean, we have really lot of time. And a feeling that we must save time started growing very strong in the modern human being. This came to us because there was an urge to seek. The time we needed to meditate to find out “what are we”. Now, when I’m speaking to you about something? What we are and what we have to be? You are not to take me for granted either. That would be very wrong, because if there is blind faith it’s not going to help you at all. If it is also a deny, it is not going to help you. It’s a very simple, practical, common sense. I can tell you how. For example, I say that there is a room, a big room, beyond there. Now, if you sit in this room and say, “Oh, I do believe you.” You do not go and see the room. Secondly, if you say, “No, I deny. I don’t believe you,” still you don’t see the room. So both ways it’s just the same. So, what you have to do, that is to see the room. And this is how you are going to see about the Kundalini, all these forces that are existing within us, with that open mind that, “Let us see. If it is so, it’s a very great thing.” Actually, human beings should be really very much thankful that there is a purpose in their life, that God has created them for a very great purpose. He has created them so that He can bestow His kingdom to them. So that as a very, very loving and compassionate Father, He could manifest His light, His whole, entire desire by giving you what He has, is His kingdom, is a fact. That’s why He has created us. And for that He has made all the arrangements within us. As you would know that we have done nothing whatsoever to become human being. I mean, nothing at all. And we cannot do. I mean, if you ask any one of the scientists to evolve a monkey into a human being, they cannot do it. You try anything. You cannot do it. That evolution has come to us effortlessly. We have done nothing about it. Let us accept this much, that we have done nothing about it. So, we have to know also that if we have to go further with it, if there is something missing still within us, we cannot do it, anything. It has to work out by His Will. It is His plan that is going to work it out. If we accept that, is a very big acceptance. Because once you accept such a situation then you know that you have to just watch and see. For example, when I tell you that within us lies all these three forces that are showing here, you have to see for yourself if they are there. Now we have shown here these three forces within us working, one which you can see, the left side one, which comes from brain on the left hand and goes right hand and goes to the left hand. The another force that comes from the left hand and goes to the right hand. What is the reason for movement and all that? Is a very big argument and, I mean, it’s a very big subject which, you can say, is a thing that works here, is the refraction of the energy. Now, the energy that comes to us first from the right to the left is the energy of our existence. Unless and until we exist, there is no, nothing can work out. It’s just existence, your emotional being, is just what you are, created by your past. Is your desire to exist. The greatest desire in the human being is to exist. If this desire diminishes then one should know that that person is a gone case. This desire comes to us, within us, as I showed you here, and exists on our left-hand side mostly and is responsible for collecting and manifesting all our past, all our psychic effects and what you call the psychic itself. So, all that is our conditioning. All that we have gone through in the past is all there. This is the power of desire. When a desire comes into us then we act on it. So we have to have the power to act. And the second one, the one you see on the right-hand side, which comes to us from the left-hand side, is the power of acting. The power of acting comes to us because we have to act, and we have to learn through making mistakes, the right things. Because the evolution in a human being has reached such a stage that he has to have his freedom, a complete freedom to develop himself fully, as he has to enter into the Kingdom of God. For animals, they are one with the Divine Power. They do not have any freedom. They, for them you see, if a tiger eats a man he doesn’t feel guilty about it. In the same way, you see, anything that they do, they think it is their nature, it is their swabhava, it’s the manifestation of themselves. So they do not feel responsible about it. They do not feel responsible for living or dying and they are not bothered about it. But for human being when they are acting, they act even for the future. Most of them do. Most of them only think about the future. “I will do this, I will do that, I have to go to Hampstead. Then I must start at five o’clock and I must reach there a little late, because if I go too early it won’t be all right,” and all these things we plan out. All this planning comes to us because we can do it. We can think of the future and we plan it out. But mostly these plans fail and these plans fail so funnily that we start wondering, “Now, is there any sense in planning about it or is there some another plan working and we are not fitting our plan into it?” Now, this planning capacity comes to us, or thinking capacity comes to us, from the right-side power which is called as the power of action – Kriya Shakti. These two manifest the central power, is the power by which we evolve. By desiring, by acting on it, we start evolving by learning the methods which are proper for us. So, the first thing human beings discovered was that going to extremes in anything is a wrong thing. That is the wisdom, not intelligence, but wisdom. When a person starts developing wisdom he understands that, “I’m going to extremes in everything.” But when there is no wisdom yet awakened in a person he says, “What’s wrong?” If you want to jump from the house top, “What’s wrong?” If you want to kill yourself, “What’s wrong?” If you want to do any harm to yourself you can ask the question, “What’s wrong?” Because if you go on rationalizing everything, everything seems to be all right. Even robbing the bank, “What’s wrong?” Even, even any kind of harm or war or anything, “What’s wrong?” if the point comes in, because there is no wisdom to judge that it is all wrong. This power of action is very, very powerful in the West. Because we are now standing in the soil of England and that because we have to deal with the Western problem, I’ll be more referring to the Western people and I hope you won’t mind. Because when I’m in England I’m absolutely English. And when I’m in the West Country, I’m absolutely Western. But when I’m in India I think I’m Indian. Actually, the person of my type is so abandoned that I really cannot identify myself with anything whatsoever. But please do not feel hurt if I say that in the West the problem is because of over-thinking. We cannot stop our thinking. There was the doctor, the other day I met in Switzerland. He told me, “Mother, You cut my throat or take out my brains? I don’t care? But stop thinking.” Our basic problem is that we have put our mind onto thinking process. And it is like a mad horse going straight forward into God knows as where, and it is dragging us along with us, and we really get tired thinking about it. In this action business, when thinking takes over, action is much less. It’s only thinking. You see, we sometimes think, “All right, we’ve made a file out of everything. Now it is in the file.” We think it’s done. Nothing is done, but it would be as far as we are concern we’ve finished the job and we are sitting idly enjoying ourselves because you’ve put it down in the file and thought of it. Actually, the evolution only starts when you start seeing the results of what you have done. And thank God today that is the situation in the West. If you tell this to the people who are developing today they will not believe, but this you can understand. When you have developed yourself economically so much, materially you have gone up so much, then you’ll find that the peace is lost somewhere in the whole run. We have lost the joy somewhere. We have lost our heart somewhere. We have become unhappy. Not that does not mean by any chance those who are ignorant of this fact are also happy. They will also go through the same circle because they are getting sophisticated, while you are already over-sophisticated and you realized that all this so-called sophistication has given us nothing but complete torture. We have alienated ourselves from others, we cannot communicate with others and some sort of a funny individual we are and we do not know how to face ourselves and we look at ourselves and laugh and know, “Now, what it is happening to us, we just don’t know.” This is a situation when we find ourselves and then we start seeking again our wholesomeness because we think we have lost it. Actually, the whole machinery is so well-developed and so beautifully placed that whatever you may try, it cannot break permanently. I’ve seen all types, you see, and all kinds who thought that suicide is the only way they can get out of it. I’ve seen they are all being put right. So this machinery is a special made, much better than English machinery and any other machinery that you think is the best? Like Germany, you may say. But is, I must say, surprisingly is such a fantastic machinery, despite that it is such a delicate thing inside us. And I’ve seen certain people who have got this Kundalini, this residual force, just trying to express its anger and its anguish, the way it has been ill-treated by individuals. Despite all that, she is there. Now, this is the power of germination within us called as Kundalini in Sanskrit language. I don’t think there is any word for it in English language. But they say it is a residual energy, is the energy which has produced the whole being and still exists there. That’s why it is called as a residual energy. And she exists in that sacrum bone. Now, this bone is called as sacrum even by Greeks – sacrum means sacred. Why? Because when the body burns, this bone does not get burned. This is one bone which you cannot burn. It remains. And that’s why it is called as sacred bone, maybe. But that shows how nicely this bone is specially make to preserve this delicate energy within us. Though it looks very delicate it’s a fantastic energy. This is placed there just for our connection with the Divine. Just as you have seen here, there are cords which are connected with this, which are to be put to the mains. In the same way God has also put those cords in you which are to be connected with the mains. It is there. You can see with your naked eyes that it pulsates. Thousands of people have seen it. Here are, there are at least fifty per cent people who have seen it – this Kundalini pulsating in the sacrum bone. So, when you talk of realization, about God, of a higher life, one should know one thing for definite: it cannot be something that you can already do. For example, some people think if they can jump they are becoming God. I mean, there are myths like this. Some people, say, think that if they can fly they have become God. Some people think if they can take out their clothes they have become God. I mean, all sorts of nonsense exist with human beings as they are. I don’t know. How they can accept such a thing? Whatever you can do, cannot be Divine. You cannot make this bone pulsate by anything else but Kundalini. When she starts wriggling, then you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of this Kundalini. You can see the rising of the Kundalini, with your naked eye. May not in all people. If there is no obstruction then the landing is so beautiful. Then the rising of the Kundalini is so beautiful, it happens in a second? Just split of a second. And you are not even aware and you are just there. Immediately you say, “Mother, I am so relaxed, absolutely.” The whole load has fallen down. The load is that of myth. It’s a myth within you. You are living with a very, very big myth. The biggest myth is that we are doing something. We actually don’t do anything. Nothing we do. What we do is to change one dead thing into another dead thing, playing like children. But can you transform one flower into a fruit? One. It’s too much to accept but its fact. We cannot sprout one seed, pull out those things, can you? It has to be a living force, and all that is living is done by God, or I call it God, you call it Nature, whatever you may call it. But there is something else that works it out. So we do not do anything whatsoever. Whatever we do is of no significance. But the One who does billions and billions of these things every moment, whosoever, He may be, has to do also this job for you. And this is what first of all we have to accept that we are not going to do it. Now I must tell you something about Kundalini because I know what you are thinking about? That you must have read some books about Kundalini. There are books about everything in this country, I’ve seen, and in every country. Surprisingly, I can’t understand that how can you do Kundalini awakening through books? I mean, you can’t even cure a person through books. You have to take the medicine. How can you make this living process work out through a book? Supposing you have to light this. If you start reading before it, “for lighting this, you do it like that”, so will it get ignited? You have to do the ignition itself. Otherwise, how will you do it? And when people write books also we have to know how many of them are really authorized to do it. Now, for other things, even if you do not have certain authorities, doesn’t matter. For example, if a doctor is there, say, if he is not a very holy person, it’s all right. He can make some underhand money, doesn’t matter. If he wants to take some more charge from people for operating or something or he’s a greedy man, doesn’t matter so much. He might have the debt that has to do it. Still, he can commercialize that. But Kundalini awakening is one thing one cannot commercialize. You cannot pay for it. You cannot pay, because it doesn’t understand money. It doesn’t. For example, if you go to a tree. I tell you very simple example, common sense it is. You go to a tree and say, “Hey, I want some fruits. You know, I’ll give you five hundred pounds.” It is that simple. You cannot pay for it. It is stupid people to pay that. It’s absolutely stupid, as if it would be stupid to pay the tree. Not only stupid but it is insulting. Because what is money? These all human beings have created money, this, that. See, it is not even the dust of God’s feet. What is money for Him? And a person who talks of Kundalini or who talks of higher life cannot be guided by material things, Cannot be, such a person has to be above this. Those people who have been taking money in the name of God or in the name of thing are all absolutely wrong. You have no business to make any private earnings out of His name. Who has given you authority? I mean, when Christ lived here, He worked as a carpenter, because His father was a carpenter. He had disciples; did He ask them to pay them three hundred pounds for something and then ten thousand pounds for something else? Did He? He lived with two robes. And it must be understood by all the Western people very clearly that you cannot purchase God. You can purchase the whole world but you cannot purchase God. One thing you cannot do is that you cannot purchase God. This is only they pamper your ego and befool you. You cannot purchase a godly person and you cannot purchase God. That is one thing we have to accept. And once we accept that, you’ll be surprised, our ego will come down. And people have exploited this ego in such a subtle way that I’m really ashamed, very much ashamed, the way they have come to these Western people. They are so sweet and beautiful seekers, so wonderful things, nice; they have exploited them. But I’ve been saying thing, this from 1970, loudly. I even took their names and told what they are doing, how they are mesmerizing, how they’re hypnotizing. This is not God. But nobody listened to me. They all built empires after empires and people were running after them. They wouldn’t care for me. When I went to America, they suggested to me that I should ask some money. Can you imagine? I said, “How much can you pay it? Let’s see. What have you got?” And this is what it is. This is the only thing that has really enticed the people, this befooling. So, one thing one has to know in Sahaja Yoga, that in Sahaja Yoga whatever you may be, you might be the king or you, whatever you may be, in the presence of Divine you are just the same as anybody else is. And that if you want to become, then only you are a member of Sahaja Yoga, Nothing else. We have no membership, as you know. We have no regular anything. But so-called organization we have got which is not even registered or anything is so called, is the organization of love and understanding. If you want to become, if you are genuinely wanting to become only then we are here. Because that is what all of us are here for. Why are we human beings? To become something. So beautiful, I wish you could have the vision of what God has in His mind for you and He has made all the arrangements within you, as I told you, how beautifully He has made you. It all exists within you. All these seven centers are within you. And as soon as the Kundalini rises and pierces this fontanel bone, which is the real Baptism, not the artificial one. Like you go to a theological college and you start baptizing. You cannot learn about it in the school. No, you cannot! It is an authority; comes through the grace of God. Such people cannot belong to any such organization, whether it is church, temple or anything. They cannot belong to anything. Everything belongs to them. So you must first have correct ideas as to what to expect, as to what to get within yourself and what you should find and what you should become. In this, naturally, you will be faced with many problems. And the greatest problem I’ve seen with people is that they are definitely misguided by the circus and the whole big platform, these so-called gurus and the fake people have floated in the market. So, first thing if you understand that there is no shopping in here. Finish off your shopping; leave it outside. And if you are still inclined towards one of the shoppers, you better go back. Here it is only open to people who are really seeking. Many people have criticized me for this that, “Mother, when you keep it free any Dick, Tom, Harry can walk in.” I said, “As far as God is concerned money doesn’t decide about the quality of a person”. If anything comes in like that, also goes out by the other door. So, we do not have to worry about this. Our job is to see that they receive for which they have come. Now it is impossible to believe in this modern times that there could be somebody who is doing this just for doing sake, because there is a person who just wants to love the whole world, because there is somebody who is nothing but love, and giving love is the only thing that satisfies the person. And there could be many like this, is an impossible situation for people to believe into. So we have to keep ourselves open. That this is what it is going to happen to us that we are going to jump into our collectiveness. It is going to be an experience and not a lecture that, “We are all brothers and sisters”, and all that. No. “Let us form a United Nations or a world government.” Nothing of the kind. We are going to become, again I say, is an experience, means that is going to be awakened within us in our awareness; we are going to feel it, subject it. Means, when the Kundalini rises out of these seven chakras? The seventh one is just to guard? The six chakras are pierced in. Then from your hands a cool breeze starts flowing. This cool breeze is the Breeze of the Holy Ghost. We called her as the Adishakti, is the breeze of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, which is flowing on our central nervous system, and we can feel it. It is an experience which we can feel it and is a permanent experience. You can feel it, what are the fingers that are burning. You can feel it, what are the fingers that are giving cool breeze. And all these fingers denote your different centers. And these centers are within us. You can see here clearly how they are denoting the first center is here. Then the second center is here. Then the third center is here. The fourth one here, is the heart and the fifth one is the one which is here, is expressed in this one. And the sixth one, which is in the center of pituitary and a pineal body, you can say, at the optic chiasma point, is this one and this is the center here, is the limbic area or what we call as the Brahmarandra, means the hole to the Divine. Actually, you start feeling it. Now, if you have ten realized children, you put these ten realized children in a room and bring a new person inside, cover their heads with some sort of a, whatever they like, you know – you cannot force children to do something horrid – but if you can, cover their eyes. Now, ask them, “What is the problem with this person?” Immediately they will show you the same finger. For example, they show you this finger, means the person is suffering from bronchitis, because this is the finger of the throat on the right-hand side, means this is the finger of the throat on the physical level. Left-hand side is the emotional and the right-hand side is the physical. But it must happen to you. First this must happen. If it does not happen nobody can help you. You shouldn’t be angry because it has not happened to you. One can work, one can work hard. I have been working for days ……….. [UNCLEAR] and nights together. You can ask these people, I’ve been really working very hard. But this love sometimes is not received properly. Maybe you have some physical problem that has to be cured and as a result of this many, many ailments are cured which are supposed to be incurable. Now, I’m not a healer by any chance. Because I’ve seen some of the people immediately must be thinking about a third aunt, of the fourth husband, of the fifth son, like that, who is down with cancer. Unless and until you get your realization, you do not get the blessings of the Divine. First thing is your realization. Once you get your realization you’ll be amazed that automatically your ailments will go away, because when you start using your energy through your sympathetic system, you start using your left or the right side. When you use your left and right side too much then the center suffers the exhaustion. When the exhaustion is established, then you might get even malignancy, you might get cancer. You can get any disease due to that. But when the Kundalini rises through these centers she nourishes them, she integrates them and when she pierces this Brahmarandra the grace starts flowing. And it fills you completely. The whole, the whole integrated vital energy starts flowing within you and you feel absolutely blessed, cleansed, and light, and beautiful. That is just the feeling I’m talking about, but the main thing is that you become empowered with your own powers by which you can give realization to others and you can raise their Kundalini. It is too fantastic to believe. Really, it is too fantastic. But I will tell you an example how it will works out. Supposing, I say, there are lots of pictures and things in here and a music, in this room, you will be amazed. You won’t believe me. But if I bring a television and put it to the mains, it will start manifesting and then you’ll have to believe into that. It is just the same, your instrument is made that beautifully. I have to just prove it to you that you are a beautiful person and not only that but when it manifests, it manifests all its beauty and all its dimension and the new dimension of collectivity, of collective consciousness. This is the solution of the problems of the world. For example, even on political level, if you see that when you have your powers you are the greatest capitalist because you have all the powers. I must say, I am the great capitalist because I’ve lots of powers about it. But I cannot help it enjoying unless and until I give it to others. So I’m the greatest communist as well. Unless and until you share it, you cannot enjoy it. But this is not on the mental level. It is the level of actuality. This is the level at which you are. And that is the level I’m talking about which will be. In that you jump into a new awareness. For this you must know that thousands of years back, people have worked it out. Of course, maybe there were one or two people. At the time of Christ also very few people might have been realized souls. John the Baptist was a realized soul and He tried his level best, even putting people into the water to cleanse them and did everything. But I don’t think he could succeed with that, because perhaps the time had not come. For example, when there, the tree is planted you get one or two fruits coming out of it. But when there is a blossom time, so many of them, thousands of them, you see them getting converted into a new thing. It’s not conversion of words, is not transformation of just giving a big lecture to you. It’s a transformation which is an actuality. By finding out your absolute, by finding out your meaning, all other nonsensical things just drop out like that. There are many here who have given up drugs. There were some horrible drug addicts. We had horrible drug addicts. They couldn’t even see me when they came to me. They were under coma conditions when they started seeing me. You see, they could only see light coming out of me and all kinds of experiences they had. But today they are sensible people. I didn’t tell them to give up. It just works out because when you have found out yourself you don’t care for all these things. If you have found out the gold will you put on these false ornaments on your body? When you have found out the nectar are you going to drink this dirty water? That is what happens to you, should happen, is being promised before and that promise is to be fulfilled. Now the question comes in, “Then why you?” That’s very true. Why? Somebody has to do it, isn’t it? Someone has to do it. Supposing you want to do it, please do it. I’ll be very happy because I’m really tired. Can you do it? No. That’s why Me. I really tell you: there is no way out for me because I have to do it. But for this why should you feel hurt, so hurt? I mean, so many people do things for you, don’t they? I mean, you feel thankful to them for anything if they do for you. But for this if I do it, why should you be angry and unhappy about it? I mean, you just think of it. If somebody is doing something for you, at least you should be thankful. I mean, this is my job, you know. I don’t know many things. For example, if this goes out I cannot correct it. I cannot put on anything that is electrical. I don’t understand your laws. I don’t understand many things. Economics I’ll read, but I’ll never know. I don’t understand your politics. I don’t understand human beings of all the persons. But something I do. And that is this. I mean, you know so many things. I have to ask you. For example, I don’t know how to drive. I mean, there’s somebody who drives me down, always. I do not feel hurt if somebody has to drive me and I cannot drive. In the same way, you should see in this way, in a very simple way, that this lady knows this job. And I’m paid for it because I see the smiles on your faces, because I see the joy rising. I see you finding that which I have within me. It’s the greatest thing, the greatest thing that one can see. There’s nothing more joy-giving, nothing more fulfilling than this. I want to invite you to this beautiful experience. I mean, on Kundalini I must have so spoken, I don’t know, hundreds of times in London, and there are at least more than hundred tapes they have got on this, into very detailed things. I’ve talked about ego, about superego. You can see the ego, that yellow stuff there. It’s the ego, you see, which through our action works out and it’s there in the head, you know. Sometimes can be very big. I’ve seen in some of them, you know, like a big turban, yellow turban coming up. Can be horrible. And, yeah, and you don’t know how to put it down and you have to be very, very careful with that. With this superego is on the other side where, by which you could be a possessed person, or you could be, just be a melancholic person. Like we had one gentleman who used to all the time cry in my program. I said, “What’s the matter?” He said “You know, I’ve read Lord Byron.” I said, “Now, what to do with this Lord Byron? Can’t you read somebody better?” He said “No, Mother, I’m absolutely infatuated by him.” “Now,” I said, “all right, you take another life. Forget this man, Lord Byron. Then we`ll see what to do.” Because he would not stop crying. Both the things are just the same, whether it is ego or superego. Both can affect your realization. But still, I must say, I have worked out most of the permutations and combinations so far. Let’s see if I find something new this time, is an experience. It’s quite challenging also. But one should not feel in any way diffident, because you might have read some books about Kundalini, that when you have a Kundalini rising you start jumping like a frog. I mean, are you going to become frogs now, in your evolution? A simple question. You start jumping like a frog. How can you be jumping like a frog? Or you start flying like a bird. Are you going to become a bird? Or else they say that you get a shock. How can that be? Now think: this is your Mother. And she is your Mother only. And she has been your Mother throughout. Is she give you a shock? I mean, I’ve not known mothers who are waiting for ages together for the birth of the child, start giving shock to the child. I mean, you don’t think God could be that cruel as to create something like that. This is because people are absolutely unauthorized. So many of them are absolutely naive. I would say, I do not want to condemn them much more than that. But I would say it is condemnable to get into something which they do not know about. For example, a villager comes to a city and he puts both the hands in the, say, into the plug and says, “Oh, I got a shock.” An electricity means “shock”. What will you say to such a man? Who asked him to put both the hands in the plug? In the same way a person who doesn’t have the authority, means that purity of heart, that purity of sense, that purity of dedication, has nothing to do with Kundalini. They are not realized souls. They’re absolutely unauthorized. And if they have got these experiences are, just to warn them that they should behave themselves properly. Kundalini can never, can never trouble you. At the most a little heat some people feel. Especially I’ve seen in certain cases and certain diseases, you feel the heat. Now, the fantastic cures of Kundalini awakening have been mostly of cancer. Cancer can only be cured through Kundalini awakening. Now, this I have been saying from 1970. Now I’ve done this miracle in the sense that it has worked out that I’ve been able to convince our government about it. And they want to have a regular, sort of a working out of this special method through our Health Ministry. But I told them I don’t understand Parliament, I don’t understand any of that such nonsense, I don’t want to have any questioning in the Parliament. I don’t know how will you make me meet because so far always governments have been against all the saints. They crucified Christ. Anybody who came in was crucified very nicely. And all the horrible people were given great welcome in this world. See Hitler, see Napoleon, see all these people. While Christ was crucified. So I told them, “I don’t understand your Parliament. I don’t understand all these things.” So, for us it’s a task now to establish it in such a way that it doesn’t collide with the norms of the things that people have created for us. We do not know anything about the political differences and all these human created problems. These are all foolish things just created by the foolish ideas of human beings. It’s so mythical and so stupid that they, I don’t understand why should anyone pay attention to it. They will all drop out, you’ll be amazed. When you come in this room, supposing it is all dark you’ll be fumbling here and fumbling there. You might say that this room is just a book, if you feel a book there. But if you see everything in the light you think, “What foolishness they are doing and making everybody mad with their idea. They are all blind.” Sahaja Yoga is the one that says, “You get your light first of all.” You must get your light. If you get your light, then only you will be able to see what is the truth. First you see the Truth, is the main point. Now, in that there is no argument. By arguing I cannot give you. I’ve seen people standing with the sword in one hand, “Give me Realization.” Now, how, what am I to do, you see? You cannot argue it out. It has to work. It works out for people who are thought to be the absolutely gone cases, you see, absolutely wretched, horrible he is, useless, good for nothing and he is the first one to get the realization. What am I to do? Now you may say, “Mother, how can it be possible?” If some people look very, you see, gracious and very helpful type, they are running three, four organizations of charities and feeling guilty for, say, Vietnam, where people were killed, and all sorts of nonsense that goes on like this, may not get any realization and one who is just standing near the street and says, “Mother,” he might get it. This is the Last Judgment of your quality. This is the Last Judgment. And one must know that the Last Judgment is not going to come with a big weighing machine. How are we going to know? Through Kundalini awakening the judgment has to take place. And you are judged and judged and judged. But this judgment is so beautiful that you are not damned with anything, you are not completely imprisoned. But you are given a chance to improve, to reform, to be perfect, and to enjoy the beauty that is promised, the beauty that is described, the beauty that we are, the beauty that is Truth, that is bliss, that’s Heaven. That’s what it is. I’m talking about Sahaja Yoga. It sounds very fantastic. Everybody has used my words. I went to America and for that, I was the first to go there, and I was speaking; they had all tape recorders, everything they taped it and those people who were there they told me, “Mother, what are you doing? Why do you allow them to tape it?” I said “Why?” They said, “They will use your words.” I said, “Let them use.” “And they will use your ideas.” I said, “Let them use, very good idea. It will spread.” Then they said, “They will make money out of these.” I said, “Let them make.” But they cannot give realization. They have to come to me for realization. They have to take their Realization and then only they can work it out. It will be all talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. What does it matter? I’m in no danger. On the contrary I feel better. Some ideas will trickle into. It has worked. It has worked, no doubt. So, if somebody talks about Divine and talks about God, everything, then one must know that by talking you do not get to God. It’s a happening. If it works out, you are the most fortunate person, most fortunate person and we have had so many people in this great country. I think England is the heart of the Universe. It is the heart. India has the Kundalini but England is the heart. I’ve said it many a times. People are not that shifty, neither that arrogant, in the center, but like rather hard nuts, you see. They take time. They take time. They are little bit skeptical and could be quite wondering because it is too much for them. But still, they are very steady people and it goes down very deep into them. I’ve seen, I’ve always said it also, that the best young people are in England. I don’t know for what reason because I have now experience from Russia onwards to Australia I go round, and everywhere. But most surprising thing is that even Australia which is supposed to be they were convicts and things like that, is taking it up just like that. Only two people came from Australia and the way they are doing it, it is amazing. So, let’s see what happens today in this beautiful place, Hampstead. If it works out, very good and it should. I’m going to be here with you for six years at least, I hope so and I’m sure within that period, many, many should get it. But you must know that here is only your dedication and understanding which is going to keep you persisting into it and nothing else. Because our habit is, if you pay ten pounds, say, to see a play and the play is horrid, absolutely you can’t bear it, but you go through it. You see, you paid ten pounds so you can’t go back. Because you have not paid any money here, there is no binding force. You have to little bit bind yourself and come down a little onto it and work it out yourself. Because you are in complete freedom, complete freedom to stick on or go away. Nobody is going to force. It is for you to decide. Nobody is going to decide for you. At the most the other Sahaja Yogis may tell you that “please”, you see, this is a tricky stage. You just see now, you are just going to slip out.” They may tell you because they all have slipped out like that. Can you imagine, I was working only on six hippies for four years in London? Then, by chance, they all got all right, everything was fine, and they are today very great Sahaja yogis. So, it can work out with everyone. And once it started triggering it is triggering very fast. I would like you to ask me any questions, if you have any and answer them. But for meditation you must know you have to dedicate yourself with the idea that you have to get it. The time has come. The moment may be today. Today is the time for giving meaning to all your lives and to all your seeking. May God bless you. Thank you. Shri Mataji: Is there any question? Any question? Please, ask me. You can read this also. Seeker: ……..[UNCLEAR] Mother, to a person who has lost the desire? It’s something that I’ve been carrying, I shouldn’t mention that. Shri Mataji: Forget it. Have you lost your desire to exist? Ha? Seeker: All right, I think I don’t desire to live much. Some other time, not to kill myself, but. Shri Mataji: You see, I know it’s desperate sometimes, you know, the things are. But that is the sign of a great saint also, is a sign of a seeking, you know. You feel, “What’s the meaning?” After all, you have not found the meaning. So you feel that way. It’s all right. But not for Sahaja Yoga, I didn’t say you are a gone case for Sahaja Yoga. All right? May God bless you. Like I met two girls, one was eighteen, another was nineteen, from Sweden, Sweden. Now, just imagine, Sweden. The people are so very rich there. And both of them had vibrations like a dead body, absolutely numbed out. I called them, “Is it true?” I mean, my heart was pounding, absolutely. I couldn’t understand. Such love and such compassion started flowing and I said “You, the young people just now blooming out. What’s the matter? What do you think about death?” They said, “We are all the time doing nothing but planning about death.” Can you imagine? How miserable it is, how horrible it is. But for Sahaja Yoga that’s a good sign because you are really desperately seeking it. But on the whole one should be a cheerful person, is a good idea to be cheerful. After all, you are entering into the Kingdom of God. Now if you are, say, even going to 10 Downing Street and if you have a very long face, you see, people will say, “Put, put up a little smile.” So we have, I have told them that if you have to say the first mantra is “cheese”. All right? What about you saying “cheese” once or twice? Will be good idea. Mmm. Good idea. It will work out. Mmm. Is there any other question? Please. Seeker: Mother, we have a small talk from somebody before you, an any, he said you were prophesied in all the Scriptures, that, that he’d …….. [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Oh, did they say so? I told him not to say this. We’ll get these problems, you see. Now, forget it, forget it. You better find out later on. All right? Who said that, Marcus? How dare you? No, no, no. Forget it. Forget it. You see, this is all to be found out later. It would be something like telling someone, you see, that as soon as you get inside the room you will find somebody like that and you just don’t want to get in, you see. So, please, forget all that. If he has said all this. Did you? Sahaja yogi: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Could be frightening. Sahaja yogi: It’s reality. This is reality. ….. [UNCLEAR] and it is so nice to settle down and then these things really works. And he told me this and this and …… [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Now, the fragrance you will get because, because this is your own fragrance, for your information. Because you are made of the, one of the centers – the lowest one – is made from the Mother Earth, you see, the soil. And the soil, the essence of the Mother Earth, is fragrance. So, it starts breaking up. You see, you come into your subtler being. So first sometimes you get a tremendous fragrance also. Sometimes you may just see a little light also coming in you or maybe you might see all these things. But what I would say, that when we have to go to the airport you don’t see all these thing around. It’s nice to see it, isn’t it? But best is to go to the airport. All right? I’m happy you are having a comfortable journey. That’s a good thing. Yes, it is just to give you some comfort that, and it is fragrance you’ll get many a times, whenever you think of me. It’s true. Seeker 1: So us to improve is the main reason you have to come …. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Yes, I have. I have. We have… Seeker 1: …. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Yes, in Caxton Hall we have the program every Monday. Caxton Hall. And otherwise also they are organizing my program all over. We have been to many places. Like Chiswick in, lots of, Enfield and lots of places I’ve been to. And also all over England, I have tried to cover as many places as possible. Seeker1: How do we come to progress? Shri Mataji: How to progress? Yes, that is. Seeker 1: Not to be concernedly about. Shri Mataji: No, we have also a little ashram which is rented by some of the Sahaja yogis where we meet every Sunday in the afternoon, where we tell people how to progress, how to go further, and how to work it out. And there the greater intimate relationship is established among all of you to understand it. And they look after also some personal problems and things. Yes? Seeker 2: Nothing, I have turned actually, I am a bit cold because, you see, that’s my position. Unless…… [UNCLEAR] I was going to sit down there. Shri Mataji: All right. I think… I would suggest… Seeker 2: I also wouldn’t stop it, stubborn for that, but then it keeps on my nerves. Shri Mataji: All right, please, sit down. Here. Seeker 2: Its one way open. Shri Mataji: All right. Just is all right. Now, what I would suggest, that if you want to have a tape of this my speech you can just… Please. Seeker 2: …. [UNCLEAR] If I had like …. [UNCLEAR] then I would shut it down as I came in. That’s what is all right. It looks as he only does it for me. Shri Mataji: All right, all right. Now it’s all right. You can take the tape. I mean, if you give a tape to these people, they will tape it for you and give it to you as much as you like, as many as you want. So, just… you have to just give a tape to them because, you see, as I told, we don’t take any money or anything but we shouldn’t expect others to pay for our tapes also. I mean, it should not be the other way round. Seeker 3: I know that also …… [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji, was healed and he was a doctor. ……. [UNCLEAR], Shri Mataji what, what should be done to Western Europeans or this could also cure them? Shri Mataji: What should we? Sahaja yogini: What should be done to these Western Europeans well to cure them? Shri Mataji: This is what I’m doing. It was necessary, you see, for you to progress that way, to see for yourself that there’s something wrong. And this is what I’m doing here, is to raise your Kundalini. This is the solution of the problem. Not by running away from it, but just by facing it you will see that. It will happen. There are so many people already here who are all Western people with the Western brains, over-developed. They have become this. Sometimes, some of them do get this Mister Ego coming back onto them, but now they can see it. Unless and until you get out of your car you cannot see it, you cannot cure it. So to cure yourself you must get out of it. Then only you can cure it. Is it all right now? To cure it, all of you must get out of the car to see it. Seeker 3: And once we see it? Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon. Seeker 3: And once we see it, what do we do? Sahaja yogi: Once we see it, what do we do? Shri Mataji: Now, it is a question, is very simple and can be answered very simply that once it is lighted what does it do? Seeker 3: It turns then on. Shri Mataji: And it gives light. Seeker 3: hence, it can also give darkness. Shri Mataji: No, but you give light. All right? That’s what happens. When you get it you give light to others. You become to others. You enjoy your own light. The light starts flowing through you. You enjoy that light. And you give light. A very good simile is given like a hollow flute. You become the hollow flute through which the melody flows. And others say that it is you who is playing but actually you see the melody flowing and enjoying it. You become that. Seeker 3: But this light does not help us with our problems, the problems which influence my life. Shri Mataji: The problems that influence your life are because of… Seeker 3: They are important, too. Shri Mataji: No, they are very much there, because you have not known yourself. Seeker 3: Pardon? Shri Mataji: Because you have not known yourself. You see, supposing I start driving the car I will jump into every problem. But if I, I know how to drive I’ll manage it. You become the master. Seeker 3: Not everybody. Shri Mataji: Yes, it does. They have, necessarily. They do. It is necessary. That’s why it happens. Seeker 3: Not really, other people driving also know how to drive but keep it to their own; more often do not. Shri Mataji: It is, it is not like that, the way you are taking analogy too far. It is that you become the master of your own problems. You start seeing the problems with a different angle. You see, now supposing you are – I’m giving analogy just to make you understand but you cannot pull it to that extend, you see, that confuses you. Try to understand it, not to confuse yourself more, but to understand. You see, to solve a problem you must try to face it and try to understand it. Now, for example, say, you are in the water. All right? Now, there are waves in the water and you are, you are in it and you don’t know how to swim. So, you are bothered about it. But supposing you know how to swim, you’ll enjoy it. All right? That’s it. Now, is it all right? Seeker 4: Yes. No, it’s not. It’s very bad, actually. Or I don’t know if it’s bad but it’s also related to …….[UNCLEAR] more straight on the Eastern theory …….[UNCLEAR] in the East……[UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: What is he saying? All right. You see, these are all problems of dogmas and all out of ignorance. I have to tell you that Christ is living within us. He exists within us. We cannot deny Him. He is within us here, as I told you, behind, inside there. He is there. But you have not yet awakened Him. You are not connected with Him. That’s the only problem. And we’ll see ourselves how it works out. If all these deities are awakened within us, which are there, then they manifest their powers. Now, what is the power of Christ? Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: What’s the thing? Sahaja yogini: It’s something about meeting snakes. Shri Mataji: Aha! Yes, yes. Yes, yes. The way he condemned, you mean to say. John had condemned them, is it? You are saying about that? Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: It all comes out of ignorance about it, you see? People try to dominate others; some people try to take domination from others. It all comes out of ignorance. All these things have come out of ignorance. Is even sum total, I would say. Because in one lecture you cannot deal with such… so many varieties. But in the, on the whole I will say, it’s all ignorance. See, when you are there you do not dominate anyone; neither you take domination from anyone. You are just standing, it happens, it happens, worth trying. Why not? All right? Worth trying, isn’t it? It looks fantastic; that’s all. If you forget that part, let’s try. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Left and right is he said? Sahaja yogini: I don’t know. He said that it’s a different thing. It’s a different part of the body when, when they said evolution from, from the centers there. Shri Mataji: But the evolution is going out? Sahaja yogini: When he said evolution and he said it yet means associate to different things which is expanded in different parts of the body. Shri Mataji: Yes, that`s all developed in our evolution. You see, the association comes like this that first our left side developed much more, you see, and then the right side developed. And at the time now, today where we are placed, we are developed in such a way that our right side is much more effective sand it’s much more dominating than the left side, especially in the West, you see. But how it relates, how it relates to our fingers and all that, that you can see yourself. Gradually you will see yourself. It is to be seen as I said it. You cannot by argument understand it. You should see it yourself. Seeker 4: So assuming that, then …… [UNCLEAR] paralyzed on my right hand side. The thing is that if I am jealous about… Shri Mataji: Not paralyzed. They were not. But if you take a primitive man. Take it like that, all right? The primitive man doesn’t have his right side so much developed. And the, and the person who is over-developed his right side has a much more overpowering on the left-hand side in the sense that the, if you see the yellow side of that balloon oppresses the left side and the person becomes very dominating person. So, on the primitive person, say for example, some people who have taken to, say, primitive life, outside, they cannot become primitive, brain-wise. They cannot. You see, outside you might wear clothes of primitive people but inside the brain has developed like that. So, by Sahaja Yoga what we do is to bring you to the balance. Both things are brought in the balance. Once they are brought to the balance, you get it. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Sahaja yogi: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: You see, whatever you have known. No, no listen, I’ll answer this question, very simply. Now, whatever you have known or read about anything, or have been discovered, what has it produced? What has it produced? What is the effect? Nothing. But you will see yourself that it is so. Even people, you will be amazed, I’ll tell you, I’ve seen people who are very, must have been very egoistical once upon a time, all right? But then they took to drugs which take them to the left side. There are many drugs, alcoholic especially, not LSD but things like hashish and all that, you develop, start developing your left-hand side. Specially people who go to spiritualists. They have a very strong left-hand side development and the big wobbling going on, you know. It’s very unsteady condition. Sometimes this comes up this side, sometimes this comes up. And lots of permutations and combinations, but in a simple way I’ve told you. It works out in very, lots of permutations. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: No, no. I have seen that, but you see for yourself. What you are saying is out of your own knowledge which has no shown any results, but I’ve seen people who take LSD move more towards the right. They have supraconscious effects. They show more on the lights and all those things, its supraconsious. When you go deep into it you’ll see yourself. You should see yourself. What I’m saying you should see yourself. Without that there is not assumption. I’m not saying you have to believe anything that I’m telling. But you see yourself. But if you have previous ideas, the fifteenth century ideas or something like that, that is not improved to you. Today I’m sitting before you, isn’t it? Forget those fifteenth century things. Just now you should know that I’m sitting before you to show you something, which you see yourself. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: What is it? What do you suggest? What is he suggesting? Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Yes. I mean, you see, you people are – that is one thing about the West – too much rumbling into useless discussion. You see, even in Sahaja Yoga, they get realization and Indian, you see, if he gets a realization, he just get into it, He enjoys it. But a Western man, you see, he gets realization, then he starts thinking about it, he goes into this, and goes. Oh, God, he is such a headache to himself. Shri Mataji: No, no, please, please. Now, Colleen, don’t handle it. Please, sit down. Please, sit down. I’ll handle the situation. No, please don’t. You are not to handle the situation. These are not Sahaja yogis. You see, these are come for the first time. You must know that. They don’t understand the importance. So you don’t say anything to them, ha? Please. Seeker 4: By going from the left-hand side, to the right side whatever the emotions and intuition, that is the left side of the body. And then left side of the brain and what does we next do [unclear] that more to go the right side. Shri Mataji: He’s got it. He’s got it. He’s got it. Seeker 4: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: He’s got it. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Correct. Seeker 4: [UNCLEAR] and therefore more rational. Shri Mataji: Very good. He’s understood it better, Correct. But you don’t worry about these things, my children. You don’t worry. You see, we should see it, we should get it, we should become that, and experiment it. All right? That’s what is there, you see, is a thing to be seen. It’s nothing written in the book or some theory being propounded. I’m saying, “The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it.” But, say, if I’ve done the cooking also, as a Mother has done it, no doubt, but if you are not hungry you will go on asking Me, “From where did You get it? From which supermarket?” That’s true. All right. I understand that. But if you are hungry, you’ll just get to it. You’ll get it, I tell you. That’s how it is. I was traveling to America first and luckily I went to “Penang” and there’s a very famous doctor Yang, very famous doctor. And he heard about my coming, you see. I was having my lunch. And it was a split-level area where I was sitting and I was eating my lunch. He came and sat down. He said, “I’m Doctor Yang. Mother, I’ve come.” I said “Really?” I left my lunch. I came down. So, my hostess has said, “What is it? You left your lunch?” I said, “My child has come now, finished, done. I’ve taken my lunch.” He got it. He got it in a minute. It is, it is that. What I’m saying is the quality, is that. That is the quality. And it’s your own. You see, just see the common sense. Use your common sense. See, there is some chocolate here, all right? It’s free for you. If you want to have it, you’ll have it. Will you argue? But I find that there is diamond. And yet not diamond but a diamond which is invaluable. People will start coming from Australia. Will they argue? I say that, today it is there. Better have it. If you are fortunate, you will get it. Is for you to see the fortunes. Seeker 3: And then listening, they say when it happens, it happens. And we don’t have any control over the happenings. It’s God’s grace, and how to get it, well, that’s the point. Shri Mataji: He’s very right person, Typical Indian. That’s the difference, Tremendous. Yeah. That is the vibrations of the country of such. I must say I’m sorry but it is. We have to ask, “How? Mother, let’s have it.” What important thing is that by which we get it. “Let’s have it, Mother.” All right? I’m requesting you just to have it, can you imagine? Settle down your minds. “Why I ask questions?” Because this silly mind is like a mad horse, you see. It will start driving you. “Oh, you didn’t ask this important question.” That’s why I said it. But there is nothing more important than becoming yourself. For this you don’t need any education. Nothing. You have to just feel it from your heart that you have to have it. You’ll understand it in no time as soon as you have it. That’s what it is. It’s simple. We have to reconcile ourselves to one thing, we have not found it so far. With all our thinking and dogmas and arguments, and everything that we have done we have not yet found out the solution. If Mother says so, let’s find out. First thing is to experience yourself not by anybody else telling you. Just experience. You must change the role now. Then you will understand. There is no parliament going on here. All right? Like you can ask that I am responsible, that you have elected me. No, it’s not that. There is somebody who is giving you something as a present. Something who loves you very much has cooked for you a beautiful meal and is requesting you to have it. It’s very different. You change your role and you will get it. That’s the different point. Because we have never been loved that much so far. We have never been cared that much. We have lost our self-esteem. Nobody has thought of us that way. Change that role, for you must know that God who has created us is love and affection, and compassion. He is the ocean of love. And all that is going to work for you. Why worry? It is His job, He is going to do for you. Just leave it into His hands. Let’s see, if it works out. All right? Can we do it that? Now, how do we do it, it’s the best point, which he has asked the question. Is there, get to the point. How do we do it? Very simple. As I have told you, these fingers are representing all our centers. So we have to get our centers ignited. How we do enlighten this light? Is bringing an enlightened thing near it and it enlightens, Simple. The light is its own, the power its own, the whole oil is its own, everything is its own. Only one light comes near it, which is enlightened and enlightens it. That’s all. Just put your hands towards me like this, Simple. Please, take out your shoes, because shoes sometimes obstruct the flow, that’s all. Just put your feet straight on the ground. Just for a while. Just touching the ground will help you. It’s very simple. Take out your shoes, please, all of you. Will you please take out this? Seeker 3: I won’t be able. I will get a problem. Shri Mataji: Ha? You won’t be able to? Please, take out. Please, take out, for five minutes. It’s not much. The virtuous understand things better, faster as it is said. These munis can understand. In the same way, try to understand it more than repelling it. It’s for your good. Just put your hands towards me just like that. Just like that. Now, close your eyes. I give explanation for whatever I tell you because without explanation you’ll ask the question, “Why to close your eyes?” Because, when the Kundalini rises, in this center of Agnya, then there’s a dilatation of the pupil, and to make the flow all right you better keep your eyes shut. There’s no hypnosis on. Please, keep just your eyes and tell your mind that, “You have never helped me so far. Now please, for Heaven’s sake, keep quiet.” Tell your mind that, “You have not helped me so far. Let me keep quiet within myself.” Keep your eyes shut and watch your thoughts. As soon as the Kundalini will cross this point you will find you are blank but you are aware, absolutely aware. You are thoughtless but you are aware. And when the Kundalini pierces this point you will find a cool breeze will start flowing towards you. Some of you may be already awakened people. Please put both the hands straight on the ground. Must have self-esteem, must have self-respect, and of all the things is love for yourself. You are doing it because you have to love yourself. Not to condemn yourself anymore. Some people are having a fashion of condemning oneself, its feeling guilty business. One must know that He is the ocean of compassion and He is the ocean of cleansing. There is nothing that He cannot cleanse.
6/8/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=4619	Subtlety	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	63	"Subtlety", Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Dollis Hill Ashram, Dollis Hill, London (UK), 8 June 1980. It is only possible for people who are of a subtler nature to understand the value of Sahaj Yog, to hold to the values of Sahaj Yog, and to retain it in this fragmented world. The world is fragmented and everybody is acting towards one’s own destruction. All the values which people follow are gross values. Most of the values are absolutely gross. So for Sahaj Yoga we have to have people who are trying to justify their subtleties. Such subtler people have always been a little different from the mundane crowd; and these people always express themselves in such a manner that their existence itself suggests that they are trying to cement the whole world. Sort of you can feel that. Those who can feel that there is an element within us which makes us laugh at the stupidity of others, who may appear to themselves [to be] very seriously doing certain things. But to us it seems as if it's rather stupid to waste their lives. This is a calibre of different people. First these people, with that calibre and that dynamism within them, will be settled in Sahaja Yoga, not the ordinary gross type. But because our doors are open to everyone, because there is no charge or anything, for anything, all sorts of people come in. And when they come in they don't know what they want. Out of them some could be the grossest of all. Some might be just walking in to take out some things, just to steal something; possibly. I have seen all kinds of people coming to Sahaj Yog. Such people when they find that there’s something available, they come in and go away. Another kind, maybe, which is coming here, is the one which is extremely gross, but they can think that he can make some liaison work here; [that] by having connections with different people he can exploit it and make some money out of it. So money mindedness is a very gross thing, is a very gross thing. If people are money minded then Sahaja Yoga doesn’t work out well with them. If you always think about money, of your insurance, about how the carpet is spoiled, this has happened, that happened: such people are very difficult. But lower than these are the people who come here to have some sort of an exploitation out of Sahaj Yog. Such gross people also come in, and when they find that they cannot work out their plans, they get out of it. Now the third type of people who come here, they come for some material gain from Sahaj Yog, maybe physical gain also: like somebody is sick, so they come for their sickness. It’s a very gross way of looking at things: is to come to Sahaj Yog for getting cured. So when they get cured they disappear. (laughing) Quite stupid isn’t it! Then some people come with the idea that, “Maybe, with Mother’s blessings, our financial problems will be solved.” Only with that idea! Then they also get their financial problems solved, and they get out. But some of them do not, some of them cannot manage what they want to have, then they get upset. Now the best calibre, of the subtlest form, is that which is just seeking Sahaj Yog, which is just seeking union with God, nothing else; that’s the best calibre. That calibre works hard. It has very concentrated effort. It understands Sahaj Yog very quick. [The] only thing is that, because of Western habit of thinking, some of the people, though they have a calibre, circulate around themselves; they go on thinking about it, discussing about it, arguing about it, and then they become stationed at a point. (laughing) Otherwise it goes little round and round itself. They have a calibre, they have a height, they definitely have. They have that weight in them, they can feel their element, but still they go on, as a habit, because they are used to it; they go on encircling round and round and round. They have to steady themselves. But the calibre of a person who just wants to be, to become, can never be deterred by anything, because he is subtle, in a way; in his lifetime he feels the subtleties of the unconscious. He has felt his archetype images of these Deities. He has known them. He had these eruptions within him. He identifies and he recognises the subtleties that he has felt and he tallies them with Sahaj Yog, and Sahaja Yoga gets him like that. Now these subtleties which I am describing to you, come to you not through your mental effort of this lifetime, but comes to you from the experiences of many lives you have gone through and as soon as you come near Sahaja Yoga, you start sucking. That is the best calibre. But, because the door is open ajar, the grossest of gross also can come in. But sometimes they come this way and go back the same way. Some of them, they come half way and rush back. Some of them come inside and get out from the other side. But those who stay are the people who are subtler by nature. It is a very subtle happening. If you have lost your subtleties: say, some people as I said, even doing hard work with your fingers, you become insensitive. Even physical disrespect to your fingers, you become a little bit insensitive, [so that] even when you get your Realisation, you may not feel the vibrations that good. But that is not so important. Of course, vibrations you must feel for Realisation. But maybe due to some external reasons also, or maybe due to some physical problem, you may get a situation where you may not feel the vibrations so much. But doubts would not rise in your minds because there are no vibrations. You would just think that, “Yes the vibrations are not there, I must get my Vishuddhi Chakra all right. But it is there.” And even if the doubts come in, a subtle person will fight it, will argue it out, but a gross person won’t. The subtle person is a brave man and his bravery comes from his built in capacity of those subtleties. He does not succumb to doubts. He just sees it [and] he fights it. He does not succumb to it. But Sahaja Yoga is such a wonderful thing [that] even those people who sometimes looked very gross, suddenly came out with such a beautiful manifestation of subtleties that it is surprising. But that is exceptional. The mind, and the human brain, is subtle on certain points and gross on some points; it’s most surprising. Maybe [due to the] background, maybe the… (Aside to a parent) Can you take her at the back. Because you know it’s disturbing. Nah? Just now take her at the back all right? Good! Just give her a seat to sit down all right? Sorry! Then I am going to take you in my lap, huh? She is very unhappy to leave the place! It’s a very subtle subject, you see. Please pay attention. If a genius is created. They call it a prodigy, but I would call it a genius. There’s a difference between a prodigy and a genius: prodigy is a person who, for a short time of their lifespan, suddenly becomes very talented, and after some time the talent goes away. And a prodigious person may be mentally absolutely very, very low; very low. So it is done by some sort of a spirit possession. But a person who is a genius is a person who has those sensitivities. The mind which is covered with thoughts, which is thickened, which is gross, can be thinned out at certain points and could be very sensitive to certain points. For example, some people could be very sensitive to music, some could be to art, some could be to human beings, some could be to other things which might make them rare people. But these subtler things, which create your personality, always indicate, in your being, that there is something of the beyond, which is throwing some images within you. Such people are conscious of them: that there are some images which are throwing these subtle ideas within you, [and that] they are erupting some new commotion within you; and once you start feeling them you are compelled to put them down somewhere. That’s how the poets are created, musicians are created [and] great masters are created. Now the fashioning of these subtle ideas is another job. But the beauty of these subtle ideas is this: that they are universal in nature. If they were not, they would not be so much appealing to everyone. So there is something universal in those, and that universality, when manifested or fashioned into some expression, then it is absorbed universally. Now it depends on the person how much he is closer to those images and to the image of his Spirit. If such a person is a realised-soul, then the expression is heavenly. The fashioning of those expressions, of course, is determined by the surroundings, the different atmosphere, the traditions, and all that, in which the people have lived. That is the fashioning part of it. But the universal essence of everything, that element which is universal, is manifested in a particular fashion. The more a person is nearer to his Self - even the fashioning is very universal in nature. Then such a person doesn’t try to be moulded by traditions so much. But the traditions which have come through meditativeness, or through realised-souls, definitely give him a better chance of expression. So the fashioning also evolves, gradually, in every country, in every place, till it reaches the point where people start understanding them in meditation. Now there are two types of fashioning: one is the fashioning that comes from outside, the other from inside. The fashioning that comes from inside could be the teachings of the great masters, who are realised-souls, and your own understanding of the work of these great masters. The other style could be that you see what people have been producing, all of them, and you gather out of that, and fashion your manifestation accordingly. In the second type of thing they may be realised, they may not be realised. Now when we go to Sahaj Yoga, even a person who is not a genius, who has never been a genius, who had no idea of any special expression in life, can get Realisation and of the highest type. Maybe much more than a genius, because genius might have become a geni-ass by now! His ego must have bloated out, he might be a geni-ass instead of a genius! But a Sahaj Yogi, when he gets his Realisation, his Realisation is a sign, not of his subtleties, but of his Kundalini - in what condition She is. If the Kundalini is absolutely frozen that means a person has no desire to have Realisation, he’s coming to Sahaj Yog to make some money out of it or to make some name out of it, or he could be a burglar coming as a Sahaj Yogi to burgle away, say, my shoes! Such a person can be very difficult for Realisation. But maybe with some people, who have some basic problems also, can have their Kundalini completely frozen out. But people of very ordinary appearances, of very ordinary life, could be very subtle, much more than all these geni-asses and geniuses put together - because they can feel their Self. Such people do not cheat themselves or others - no question. Their whole attitude towards Sahaj Yog is like a person who is dying and gasping for air. They are just struggling to get the Truth. They have no other interest in life, but to get to the Truth. Such people could be very strong headed, could be very different from normal. They may think many things [to be] stupid. Even just to have a wife and children and family is quite stupid isn't it? That's not the end of life. It’s quite a stupid thing to do. I don't say that you give up that, but it's not the end of life. It’s all right, it’s a part of it, [but] you are not to be lost in it. We believe that marriage is important and we believe that, in the marriage, husband, wife should be very much understanding each other. There should be love between the two. There should be enjoyment, so that the children also feel the security of the family, so the society improves. All this is all right, but that's not the end of it. In India you will find many families like that: where a husband, wife are carrying on nicely, children are nice, their money is in the bank; when they die, the money goes to the children; then the children are married nicely, then they have their children, money goes to the bank; when they die, the money goes to them. It goes on day in and day out. [It’s] nothing, it’s so mundane. That doesn’t mean I believe in divorces. Of course, that's something nonsensical. But to be married means just you have entered into life. At least you should enter into life! That is important as far as entering is concerned. But that is just the basic, that’s not the end of life! If you are a subtler person you will not think what is your advantage monetarily, or what you are doing, what is the thing, what gain you have got. Of course you will see that as yoga is established, your kshema will be established, your well-being will be established. You will see that, clearly. It is to be seen, to be thankful. And the kshema is all right, because you should not have worry akshema, but you should have free time to devote yourself to meditation and to Sahaj Yog: so that you don’t have too much worry. That’s how the kshema comes in. But when the kshema comes in also, one may start going into the same circle of greediness, [of] having more and more money, more and more this, better clothes, better house, [of] how to get this: this circle may start. There’s no end to it, so you have to cut it down. I am not saying that you just have one dress and all your life you end up with one dress; it doesn’t mean that. Because you know if I say anything, people will shoot off to the other end. I am trying to keep it in the centre [so] that not too much attention will be required on one side or on the other; of indulgences or of asceticism - none of these. You are not to renounce anything or neither you have to indulge into anything: but feel your subtleties, feed them, nourish them, look after them. You should be proud of your subtleties: that you have these subtler values, while others don't have, and that itself will be so self-sustaining that you can withhold all those values that you get from your subtleties against the whole world. Because the world is so fragmented, so cut off, that everybody feels lonely. But that does not, by any chance, mean you should be arrogant to others, you should be fighting with others - no! But in darkness a light shines. The whole is darkness. If the light accepts the darkness, then it becomes darkness! So the light must accept that: “I am the light, and I am the path,” and should stand up. That does not in any way mean any arrogance to others, any showing-off to others, but it is the Light. And the Light, by itself, emits. When this happens to you, you will not hate yourself first of all, but you will love and respect yourself and respect the virtues in you and not your grossness. Kundalini Itself makes you subtler and subtler. But if you are a stone what can Kundalini do? Now it is for you to see where you are stone. There should be a lot of heart searching. The greatest stone-age is nowadays (laughing). Heart is like a stone! It doesn't move. When talking to others, it doesn’t move. It has no ripple in it, there’s no joy in it. It’s like a stone sitting there to hit everyone. You see anybody sees you, “Oh Bala! He’s coming! Go from the other road!” “Who?” “That fellow with the stone heart!” And you feel you are all right, you are a very good person because you are stone hearted. You think you can dominate the whole world because you are stone hearted, you can give psychological treatments to others, keep quiet, don’t talk to anyone, shout at others and do whatever you please, because you have a stone heart. Nothing happens to your stone there. Now this stone heartedness is the sign that you should not be any more in Sahaj Yog. You must have a heart as your Mother has: pulsating with love, with compassion, with joy, with happiness, with giving. That should be the attitude, not rationality, nothing. It is the feeling: feeling for the pains of others, feeling for their longings and feeling for their aspirations. Just feeling them within yourself their desire to be the Whole, to be the Ocean Itself, itself is so fulfilling. We should not have our ideals among ourselves. Like, “She does this so why should I do?” “He does this so why should I do?” It’s very mediocre. It’s a very low-grade business to see others, to worry about others, to talk about others. It’s extremely low grade. A person who is of a calibre has his standards so much higher that he cannot compare himself with others. It’s really true. So, if I start comparing myself with you, what will be my position? I mean, I can’t do it! Then you will say, “It's all right for you Mother!” It’s perfect, I agree, it’s all right for me as I am. But you can be like me also. But if I start comparing and thinking, “Oh God, what is this?” then I should give up doing anything, thinking, “Where have I come?” But when you know that you are not comparing, you are just giving, the question of comparison should not arise at all, at all. It’s just feeling. I just feel you. In the same way you feel each other. Not in an artificial, courteous way: [like] some people think that if they have given their seat to someone they have been really the generous people, the greatest generous people! Just be yourself now: let’s see. Just be yourself, and that you are the Light. What is the comparison? The comparison exists when our calibre is low. If it is 24 carat gold, what is the comparison? It’s absolute. If you are at an absolute point, there's no comparison. So try to see that your calibre is that, that you are of that calibre and don’t worry about gross people. Gross are gross [and] will remain gross: you just don’t worry about them. You [should] keep your calibre all right. And that is what is the most essential part of Sahaja Yoga. Thank you very much. Paul Winter: They always told me that You are actually God , the Father God Himself. Well I can't see that at all Shri Mataji: All right, now put your hand towards me. Ask the question: the simplest computer. Work out your computer and ask the question, finished. That, “She is the ‘E’, means She is the One who is the desire of God Almighty. She is the power of God, and it is only She who incarnates.” If you read the Vedas, it is said that She created Her child, and the first sound that was created was the child. And that sound is the sound that we call as Brahma, or the Logos, as they call it. So now, what is the difference between God and God’s desire? What is the difference between sun and sunlight? What is the difference between moon and moonlight? What is the difference between the word and the meaning? So the God Almighty whom people understand, is just a witness. The day these two things will meet, there won’t be any world left. Till they are separated, all these things happened. When they meet, and merge into each other, there’s nothing left, He just becomes the sound, Brahma. We cannot understand these things, because we have never seen two things [which are] that merged together as God and His Power. We cannot understand anything like that because there is no parallel. Now, you can rationally also see things, that: people, when they bend before me, their Kundalini starts moving. It is written in the scriptures [that] only at the feet of Adi Shakti this would happen. Not only that, but you people who have not been to any austere life or anything, have got Realisation and that your own power is giving them Realisation. Isn’t it? There is no one in the whole world today [even though] there may be some realised-souls, who can give, the way you give, Realisation. You go and talk to some great gurus: they are jealous of you. They know who I am, they have told people who I am, but they are jealous. They don’t understand why of all the things I have given you these powers while they don’t have. They can’t give Realisation the way you give, in a second like this; nobody can. You can go and have a look at them. They are great people no doubt. But your Kundalini works like a jet. They move like elephants, from one chakra to another chakra. The Kundalini doesn't move that way as it moves [in you], because I have given you the authority. You can go and meet them and they will tell you. There are thousands of people they have got [as] disciples, but they don’t send them to me. They said, “Mother You will find your calibre [of people]. These gross people, you leave it to us. We'll manage them. We'll send them later on. Just now you find your subtle people.” Why Sahaja Yogis are few [is] because there are very few subtle people in this world of that calibre. That's why I am always requesting you that: do not divert your attention here and there. Settle down. Become good Sahaja Yogis. Unless and until you really become good Sahaja Yogis I cannot move to the second strata. Because the first strata is not yet settled down. They are worried about nonsensical things. I mean I just, sometimes, feel very unhappy to see that you fight among yourselves. This is something so painful, that you say harsh words to each other. I mean you are the cream for me. You go and ask any one of the gurus, if they can move the Kundalini on their fingers as you do! These powers cannot be given by an ordinary person. I look ordinary, no doubt; I have to. But also you have seen me in other forms; that’s not important. The important thing is [that] you should see your own transformation and how many powers are manifesting. If you go and tell somebody that, “I have started giving Realisation and raising Kundalini.” They will say, “You are mad! How can it be? Impossible!” Nobody is going to believe you at all. You have got it so easily: why? Because I recognise the subtleties in you. These gurus recognise me. They know about me. They know who I am. They are telling others. There are so many of them like that. I told you the story of the lady here, American lady. She might come sometimes. I think you met her isn’t it? Some of you have met her. She went to Rangoon and there she went to meet some very great, high soul who was living on a mountain and he would not meet many people. But she went there and he really respected her. And when she came in he said, “I am going to sit at a lower level than yours.” So she could not understand. He said, “Because you have seen Mother with your own eyes. I haven’t. I will have to die to come and see Her again.” And then she was surprised. But first of all, know that you have got these powers within you. Then know that you have got them because I have chosen you. All right? Good! See now! Only thing: you get rid of your egos, which give you ideas. You see sometimes they come like big balloons! So tell yourself, “Oh mister ego, please get out! These powers I have got because Mother has chosen me, has loved me, has nourished me and has accepted me as Her child.” It’s a fact! Nobody can believe that you can give Realisation I tell you. You go and tell anybody. You should! But they are not going to believe you. If this flowers says that, “I can become the lamp in the lighthouse.” Nobody's going to believe it, because the light in the lighthouse is made in a special factory with a special this, and a special that. But supposing this flower says so, or if this flower says that, “I can cure your diseases.” Nobody would believe; but it may. When something fantastic happens you have to believe that there is Divine acting and acting so dynamically. Only thing [is]: do not waste your energies in gross hankerings and gross wanderings and ramblings. Try to be subtler and subtler. There is nothing that I have to ask for. Now you think about it from God’s point of view. You are to be given Realisation: first job. It’s a headache you know! Somebody has to take up the headache of giving Realisation. It is much easier to be crucified once, but to be giving Realisation [a] hundred times, to all kinds of funny Kundalinis to be raised, you cannot imagine! (laughing) And then after giving Realisation, to tell you all about it: to decode all the chakras, to show you all the chakras, to tell you all about Deities, these archetypes and everything. And every word of it is true and acts and works. You have experimented and found out. Somebody has to come down. It has been my lot to come. I don't mind, as I told the other day, any one of you takes my seat I'll be very happy to be a Sahaja Yogi sitting down like that! Really, I tell you! I will be the happiest person. I’ll give you five garlands like this and all the flowers from the market I will bring for you, if you could sit here and do the job for me. It’s very easy to doubt, but can you do the job? No, you cannot. This is the trouble with the Western mind is, that it doubts. What are you doubting about? What is there to doubt? I cannot doubt myself, that’s very difficult. When you know that this is the tea, how can you doubt? Now if you doubt, what can I do? How to prove it? Best way is to understand my love. Through that you will understand me better. It’s much easier to understand me through your heart than through your brains, because I am very good at blasting them; and I play about with you, lots of things, by which I really give you a very difficult time. Because if you start thinking, I make you think more. If you start doubting, I make you doubt more. So best thing is to see. As I told the other day that, whatever is in the next room, it’s better to go and see than to sit down here and doubt, or to accept it and sit down here. No! Go and see for yourself. And you have seen it yourself. But just think how tremendous it is. Just sit down and think, how great it is, how dynamic it is! That you have seen it with your own eyes! Just think, that you have felt it. That you are the people who have got it. You are the first few who have known it. There may be thousands and thousands later and the whole universe may take it up, but you are the first few. Improve your calibre. Come up! I think if you can give me leave, I would like to go because the whole day I have been really working very hard. I did my cooking and did that. Now, what's the matter with you? You, still more? Still more? Better! Keep like that! All right. Now can I take your leave?	null	null	null	"Subtlety", Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Dollis Hill Ashram, Dollis Hill, London (UK), 8 June 1980. It is only possible for people who are of a subtler nature to understand the value of Sahaj Yog, to hold to the values of Sahaj Yog, and to retain it in this fragmented world. The world is fragmented and everybody is acting towards one’s own destruction. All the values which people follow are gross values. Most of the values are absolutely gross. So for Sahaj Yoga we have to have people who are trying to justify their subtleties. Such subtler people have always been a little different from the mundane crowd; and these people always express themselves in such a manner that their existence itself suggests that they are trying to cement the whole world. Sort of you can feel that. Those who can feel that there is an element within us which makes us laugh at the stupidity of others, who may appear to themselves [to be] very seriously doing certain things. But to us it seems as if it's rather stupid to waste their lives. This is a calibre of different people. First these people, with that calibre and that dynamism within them, will be settled in Sahaja Yoga, not the ordinary gross type. But because our doors are open to everyone, because there is no charge or anything, for anything, all sorts of people come in. And when they come in they don't know what they want. Out of them some could be the grossest of all. Some might be just walking in to take out some things, just to steal something; possibly. I have seen all kinds of people coming to Sahaj Yog. Such people when they find that there’s something available, they come in and go away. Another kind, maybe, which is coming here, is the one which is extremely gross, but they can think that he can make some liaison work here; [that] by having connections with different people he can exploit it and make some money out of it. So money mindedness is a very gross thing, is a very gross thing. If people are money minded then Sahaja Yoga doesn’t work out well with them. If you always think about money, of your insurance, about how the carpet is spoiled, this has happened, that happened: such people are very difficult. But lower than these are the people who come here to have some sort of an exploitation out of Sahaj Yog. Such gross people also come in, and when they find that they cannot work out their plans, they get out of it. Now the third type of people who come here, they come for some material gain from Sahaj Yog, maybe physical gain also: like somebody is sick, so they come for their sickness. It’s a very gross way of looking at things: is to come to Sahaj Yog for getting cured. So when they get cured they disappear. (laughing) Quite stupid isn’t it! Then some people come with the idea that, “Maybe, with Mother’s blessings, our financial problems will be solved.” Only with that idea! Then they also get their financial problems solved, and they get out. But some of them do not, some of them cannot manage what they want to have, then they get upset. Now the best calibre, of the subtlest form, is that which is just seeking Sahaj Yog, which is just seeking union with God, nothing else; that’s the best calibre. That calibre works hard. It has very concentrated effort. It understands Sahaj Yog very quick. [The] only thing is that, because of Western habit of thinking, some of the people, though they have a calibre, circulate around themselves; they go on thinking about it, discussing about it, arguing about it, and then they become stationed at a point. (laughing) Otherwise it goes little round and round itself. They have a calibre, they have a height, they definitely have. They have that weight in them, they can feel their element, but still they go on, as a habit, because they are used to it; they go on encircling round and round and round. They have to steady themselves. But the calibre of a person who just wants to be, to become, can never be deterred by anything, because he is subtle, in a way; in his lifetime he feels the subtleties of the unconscious. He has felt his archetype images of these Deities. He has known them. He had these eruptions within him. He identifies and he recognises the subtleties that he has felt and he tallies them with Sahaj Yog, and Sahaja Yoga gets him like that. Now these subtleties which I am describing to you, come to you not through your mental effort of this lifetime, but comes to you from the experiences of many lives you have gone through and as soon as you come near Sahaja Yoga, you start sucking. That is the best calibre. But, because the door is open ajar, the grossest of gross also can come in. But sometimes they come this way and go back the same way. Some of them, they come half way and rush back. Some of them come inside and get out from the other side. But those who stay are the people who are subtler by nature. It is a very subtle happening. If you have lost your subtleties: say, some people as I said, even doing hard work with your fingers, you become insensitive. Even physical disrespect to your fingers, you become a little bit insensitive, [so that] even when you get your Realisation, you may not feel the vibrations that good. But that is not so important. Of course, vibrations you must feel for Realisation. But maybe due to some external reasons also, or maybe due to some physical problem, you may get a situation where you may not feel the vibrations so much. But doubts would not rise in your minds because there are no vibrations. You would just think that, “Yes the vibrations are not there, I must get my Vishuddhi Chakra all right. But it is there.” And even if the doubts come in, a subtle person will fight it, will argue it out, but a gross person won’t. The subtle person is a brave man and his bravery comes from his built in capacity of those subtleties. He does not succumb to doubts. He just sees it [and] he fights it. He does not succumb to it. But Sahaja Yoga is such a wonderful thing [that] even those people who sometimes looked very gross, suddenly came out with such a beautiful manifestation of subtleties that it is surprising. But that is exceptional. The mind, and the human brain, is subtle on certain points and gross on some points; it’s most surprising. Maybe [due to the] background, maybe the… (Aside to a parent) Can you take her at the back. Because you know it’s disturbing. Nah? Just now take her at the back all right? Good! Just give her a seat to sit down all right? Sorry! Then I am going to take you in my lap, huh? She is very unhappy to leave the place! It’s a very subtle subject, you see. Please pay attention. If a genius is created. They call it a prodigy, but I would call it a genius. There’s a difference between a prodigy and a genius: prodigy is a person who, for a short time of their lifespan, suddenly becomes very talented, and after some time the talent goes away. And a prodigious person may be mentally absolutely very, very low; very low. So it is done by some sort of a spirit possession. But a person who is a genius is a person who has those sensitivities. The mind which is covered with thoughts, which is thickened, which is gross, can be thinned out at certain points and could be very sensitive to certain points. For example, some people could be very sensitive to music, some could be to art, some could be to human beings, some could be to other things which might make them rare people. But these subtler things, which create your personality, always indicate, in your being, that there is something of the beyond, which is throwing some images within you. Such people are conscious of them: that there are some images which are throwing these subtle ideas within you, [and that] they are erupting some new commotion within you; and once you start feeling them you are compelled to put them down somewhere. That’s how the poets are created, musicians are created [and] great masters are created. Now the fashioning of these subtle ideas is another job. But the beauty of these subtle ideas is this: that they are universal in nature. If they were not, they would not be so much appealing to everyone. So there is something universal in those, and that universality, when manifested or fashioned into some expression, then it is absorbed universally. Now it depends on the person how much he is closer to those images and to the image of his Spirit. If such a person is a realised-soul, then the expression is heavenly. The fashioning of those expressions, of course, is determined by the surroundings, the different atmosphere, the traditions, and all that, in which the people have lived. That is the fashioning part of it. But the universal essence of everything, that element which is universal, is manifested in a particular fashion. The more a person is nearer to his Self - even the fashioning is very universal in nature. Then such a person doesn’t try to be moulded by traditions so much. But the traditions which have come through meditativeness, or through realised-souls, definitely give him a better chance of expression. So the fashioning also evolves, gradually, in every country, in every place, till it reaches the point where people start understanding them in meditation. Now there are two types of fashioning: one is the fashioning that comes from outside, the other from inside. The fashioning that comes from inside could be the teachings of the great masters, who are realised-souls, and your own understanding of the work of these great masters. The other style could be that you see what people have been producing, all of them, and you gather out of that, and fashion your manifestation accordingly. In the second type of thing they may be realised, they may not be realised. Now when we go to Sahaj Yoga, even a person who is not a genius, who has never been a genius, who had no idea of any special expression in life, can get Realisation and of the highest type. Maybe much more than a genius, because genius might have become a geni-ass by now! His ego must have bloated out, he might be a geni-ass instead of a genius! But a Sahaj Yogi, when he gets his Realisation, his Realisation is a sign, not of his subtleties, but of his Kundalini - in what condition She is. If the Kundalini is absolutely frozen that means a person has no desire to have Realisation, he’s coming to Sahaj Yog to make some money out of it or to make some name out of it, or he could be a burglar coming as a Sahaj Yogi to burgle away, say, my shoes! Such a person can be very difficult for Realisation. But maybe with some people, who have some basic problems also, can have their Kundalini completely frozen out. But people of very ordinary appearances, of very ordinary life, could be very subtle, much more than all these geni-asses and geniuses put together - because they can feel their Self. Such people do not cheat themselves or others - no question. Their whole attitude towards Sahaj Yog is like a person who is dying and gasping for air. They are just struggling to get the Truth. They have no other interest in life, but to get to the Truth. Such people could be very strong headed, could be very different from normal. They may think many things [to be] stupid. Even just to have a wife and children and family is quite stupid isn't it? That's not the end of life. It’s quite a stupid thing to do. I don't say that you give up that, but it's not the end of life. It’s all right, it’s a part of it, [but] you are not to be lost in it. We believe that marriage is important and we believe that, in the marriage, husband, wife should be very much understanding each other. There should be love between the two. There should be enjoyment, so that the children also feel the security of the family, so the society improves. All this is all right, but that's not the end of it. In India you will find many families like that: where a husband, wife are carrying on nicely, children are nice, their money is in the bank; when they die, the money goes to the children; then the children are married nicely, then they have their children, money goes to the bank; when they die, the money goes to them. It goes on day in and day out. [It’s] nothing, it’s so mundane. That doesn’t mean I believe in divorces. Of course, that's something nonsensical. But to be married means just you have entered into life. At least you should enter into life! That is important as far as entering is concerned. But that is just the basic, that’s not the end of life! If you are a subtler person you will not think what is your advantage monetarily, or what you are doing, what is the thing, what gain you have got. Of course you will see that as yoga is established, your kshema will be established, your well-being will be established. You will see that, clearly. It is to be seen, to be thankful. And the kshema is all right, because you should not have worry akshema, but you should have free time to devote yourself to meditation and to Sahaj Yog: so that you don’t have too much worry. That’s how the kshema comes in. But when the kshema comes in also, one may start going into the same circle of greediness, [of] having more and more money, more and more this, better clothes, better house, [of] how to get this: this circle may start. There’s no end to it, so you have to cut it down. I am not saying that you just have one dress and all your life you end up with one dress; it doesn’t mean that. Because you know if I say anything, people will shoot off to the other end. I am trying to keep it in the centre [so] that not too much attention will be required on one side or on the other; of indulgences or of asceticism - none of these. You are not to renounce anything or neither you have to indulge into anything: but feel your subtleties, feed them, nourish them, look after them. You should be proud of your subtleties: that you have these subtler values, while others don't have, and that itself will be so self-sustaining that you can withhold all those values that you get from your subtleties against the whole world. Because the world is so fragmented, so cut off, that everybody feels lonely. But that does not, by any chance, mean you should be arrogant to others, you should be fighting with others - no! But in darkness a light shines. The whole is darkness. If the light accepts the darkness, then it becomes darkness! So the light must accept that: “I am the light, and I am the path,” and should stand up. That does not in any way mean any arrogance to others, any showing-off to others, but it is the Light. And the Light, by itself, emits. When this happens to you, you will not hate yourself first of all, but you will love and respect yourself and respect the virtues in you and not your grossness. Kundalini Itself makes you subtler and subtler. But if you are a stone what can Kundalini do? Now it is for you to see where you are stone. There should be a lot of heart searching. The greatest stone-age is nowadays (laughing). Heart is like a stone! It doesn't move. When talking to others, it doesn’t move. It has no ripple in it, there’s no joy in it. It’s like a stone sitting there to hit everyone. You see anybody sees you, “Oh Bala! He’s coming! Go from the other road!” “Who?” “That fellow with the stone heart!” And you feel you are all right, you are a very good person because you are stone hearted. You think you can dominate the whole world because you are stone hearted, you can give psychological treatments to others, keep quiet, don’t talk to anyone, shout at others and do whatever you please, because you have a stone heart. Nothing happens to your stone there. Now this stone heartedness is the sign that you should not be any more in Sahaj Yog. You must have a heart as your Mother has: pulsating with love, with compassion, with joy, with happiness, with giving. That should be the attitude, not rationality, nothing. It is the feeling: feeling for the pains of others, feeling for their longings and feeling for their aspirations. Just feeling them within yourself their desire to be the Whole, to be the Ocean Itself, itself is so fulfilling. We should not have our ideals among ourselves. Like, “She does this so why should I do?” “He does this so why should I do?” It’s very mediocre. It’s a very low-grade business to see others, to worry about others, to talk about others. It’s extremely low grade. A person who is of a calibre has his standards so much higher that he cannot compare himself with others. It’s really true. So, if I start comparing myself with you, what will be my position? I mean, I can’t do it! Then you will say, “It's all right for you Mother!” It’s perfect, I agree, it’s all right for me as I am. But you can be like me also. But if I start comparing and thinking, “Oh God, what is this?” then I should give up doing anything, thinking, “Where have I come?” But when you know that you are not comparing, you are just giving, the question of comparison should not arise at all, at all. It’s just feeling. I just feel you. In the same way you feel each other. Not in an artificial, courteous way: [like] some people think that if they have given their seat to someone they have been really the generous people, the greatest generous people! Just be yourself now: let’s see. Just be yourself, and that you are the Light. What is the comparison? The comparison exists when our calibre is low. If it is 24 carat gold, what is the comparison? It’s absolute. If you are at an absolute point, there's no comparison. So try to see that your calibre is that, that you are of that calibre and don’t worry about gross people. Gross are gross [and] will remain gross: you just don’t worry about them. You [should] keep your calibre all right. And that is what is the most essential part of Sahaja Yoga. Thank you very much. Paul Winter: They always told me that You are actually God , the Father God Himself. Well I can't see that at all Shri Mataji: All right, now put your hand towards me. Ask the question: the simplest computer. Work out your computer and ask the question, finished. That, “She is the ‘E’, means She is the One who is the desire of God Almighty. She is the power of God, and it is only She who incarnates.” If you read the Vedas, it is said that She created Her child, and the first sound that was created was the child. And that sound is the sound that we call as Brahma, or the Logos, as they call it. So now, what is the difference between God and God’s desire? What is the difference between sun and sunlight? What is the difference between moon and moonlight? What is the difference between the word and the meaning? So the God Almighty whom people understand, is just a witness. The day these two things will meet, there won’t be any world left. Till they are separated, all these things happened. When they meet, and merge into each other, there’s nothing left, He just becomes the sound, Brahma. We cannot understand these things, because we have never seen two things [which are] that merged together as God and His Power. We cannot understand anything like that because there is no parallel. Now, you can rationally also see things, that: people, when they bend before me, their Kundalini starts moving. It is written in the scriptures [that] only at the feet of Adi Shakti this would happen. Not only that, but you people who have not been to any austere life or anything, have got Realisation and that your own power is giving them Realisation. Isn’t it? There is no one in the whole world today [even though] there may be some realised-souls, who can give, the way you give, Realisation. You go and talk to some great gurus: they are jealous of you. They know who I am, they have told people who I am, but they are jealous. They don’t understand why of all the things I have given you these powers while they don’t have. They can’t give Realisation the way you give, in a second like this; nobody can. You can go and have a look at them. They are great people no doubt. But your Kundalini works like a jet. They move like elephants, from one chakra to another chakra. The Kundalini doesn't move that way as it moves [in you], because I have given you the authority. You can go and meet them and they will tell you. There are thousands of people they have got [as] disciples, but they don’t send them to me. They said, “Mother You will find your calibre [of people]. These gross people, you leave it to us. We'll manage them. We'll send them later on. Just now you find your subtle people.” Why Sahaja Yogis are few [is] because there are very few subtle people in this world of that calibre. That's why I am always requesting you that: do not divert your attention here and there. Settle down. Become good Sahaja Yogis. Unless and until you really become good Sahaja Yogis I cannot move to the second strata. Because the first strata is not yet settled down. They are worried about nonsensical things. I mean I just, sometimes, feel very unhappy to see that you fight among yourselves. This is something so painful, that you say harsh words to each other. I mean you are the cream for me. You go and ask any one of the gurus, if they can move the Kundalini on their fingers as you do! These powers cannot be given by an ordinary person. I look ordinary, no doubt; I have to. But also you have seen me in other forms; that’s not important. The important thing is [that] you should see your own transformation and how many powers are manifesting. If you go and tell somebody that, “I have started giving Realisation and raising Kundalini.” They will say, “You are mad! How can it be? Impossible!” Nobody is going to believe you at all. You have got it so easily: why? Because I recognise the subtleties in you. These gurus recognise me. They know about me. They know who I am. They are telling others. There are so many of them like that. I told you the story of the lady here, American lady. She might come sometimes. I think you met her isn’t it? Some of you have met her. She went to Rangoon and there she went to meet some very great, high soul who was living on a mountain and he would not meet many people. But she went there and he really respected her. And when she came in he said, “I am going to sit at a lower level than yours.” So she could not understand. He said, “Because you have seen Mother with your own eyes. I haven’t. I will have to die to come and see Her again.” And then she was surprised. But first of all, know that you have got these powers within you. Then know that you have got them because I have chosen you. All right? Good! See now! Only thing: you get rid of your egos, which give you ideas. You see sometimes they come like big balloons! So tell yourself, “Oh mister ego, please get out! These powers I have got because Mother has chosen me, has loved me, has nourished me and has accepted me as Her child.” It’s a fact! Nobody can believe that you can give Realisation I tell you. You go and tell anybody. You should! But they are not going to believe you. If this flowers says that, “I can become the lamp in the lighthouse.” Nobody's going to believe it, because the light in the lighthouse is made in a special factory with a special this, and a special that. But supposing this flower says so, or if this flower says that, “I can cure your diseases.” Nobody would believe; but it may. When something fantastic happens you have to believe that there is Divine acting and acting so dynamically. Only thing [is]: do not waste your energies in gross hankerings and gross wanderings and ramblings. Try to be subtler and subtler. There is nothing that I have to ask for. Now you think about it from God’s point of view. You are to be given Realisation: first job. It’s a headache you know! Somebody has to take up the headache of giving Realisation. It is much easier to be crucified once, but to be giving Realisation [a] hundred times, to all kinds of funny Kundalinis to be raised, you cannot imagine! (laughing) And then after giving Realisation, to tell you all about it: to decode all the chakras, to show you all the chakras, to tell you all about Deities, these archetypes and everything. And every word of it is true and acts and works. You have experimented and found out. Somebody has to come down. It has been my lot to come. I don't mind, as I told the other day, any one of you takes my seat I'll be very happy to be a Sahaja Yogi sitting down like that! Really, I tell you! I will be the happiest person. I’ll give you five garlands like this and all the flowers from the market I will bring for you, if you could sit here and do the job for me. It’s very easy to doubt, but can you do the job? No, you cannot. This is the trouble with the Western mind is, that it doubts. What are you doubting about? What is there to doubt? I cannot doubt myself, that’s very difficult. When you know that this is the tea, how can you doubt? Now if you doubt, what can I do? How to prove it? Best way is to understand my love. Through that you will understand me better. It’s much easier to understand me through your heart than through your brains, because I am very good at blasting them; and I play about with you, lots of things, by which I really give you a very difficult time. Because if you start thinking, I make you think more. If you start doubting, I make you doubt more. So best thing is to see. As I told the other day that, whatever is in the next room, it’s better to go and see than to sit down here and doubt, or to accept it and sit down here. No! Go and see for yourself. And you have seen it yourself. But just think how tremendous it is. Just sit down and think, how great it is, how dynamic it is! That you have seen it with your own eyes! Just think, that you have felt it. That you are the people who have got it. You are the first few who have known it. There may be thousands and thousands later and the whole universe may take it up, but you are the first few. Improve your calibre. Come up! I think if you can give me leave, I would like to go because the whole day I have been really working very hard. I did my cooking and did that. Now, what's the matter with you? You, still more? Still more? Better! Keep like that! All right. Now can I take your leave?
6/9/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6621	The Subtlety Within	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	67	“The Subtlety Within”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 9 June 1980. [The other] day in the ashram I was telling you about our subtleties, the subtleties we have already within us which we do not understand. Could be from our sub-conscious mind, could be from our supra-conscious mind, could be from anywhere that is unknown to us; but the subtleties that lead us to our universal being is the one we should bother about. We have sometimes heard about people who get a hunch. Like somebody says, “I must buy this house, I get a hunch that I should buy it.” Or sometimes people say that, “I always hear something, somebody tells me that this should not be done.” But all such suggestions must be judged that they come to you to tell you about something of the beyond or something that concerns the mundane life, like buying a house. God is not interested, very much, in what house you buy, or how much money you make in a race: He is not! Because it is not important to God. One can understand that, isn't it. Also that God is not interested in telling you against someone in the ear that, “Beware of this man, he is a dangerous guy!” For, if somebody is going to harm you physically, maybe to some part, we can say that God wants to preserve your body; but this body is also not so important to God, because He can create it again! The most important thing that God has to give us is His love, His connection with us, His Kingdom, His powers. So, the subtleties which we should really accept within us, should be [those] which take you to the realm of joy, to the realm of collectivity. Like suddenly you see a little child weeping on the street and you feel [that] your heart is weeping. Not that you feel guilty about it but you feel one with the child and you feel you are weeping: then definitely that subtlety of compassion that God is, is felt within you. But you don't feel guilty about it, or you don't give him 2p (£0.02) or something to insult his ego. You do something very constructive about it, extremely constructive, and you do it secretly; you don't like to tell anybody about it because you think it is vulgar to talk about your compassion. You do it so sweetly that the other fellow doesn't feel it. The whole act is such a beautifying thing. You don’t announce it in the paper and you don't publish it in “Who’s Who” or you do not go for a Nobel Prize or something like that. This is all very vulgar for the Subtle Thing that you worship within yourself, because that element within you is so much higher than all these gross considerations that you just care for that. That is what God is. That’s how God shines within us, even before our Realisation, before our connection with God. He shines in some people even before they have been Realised. You see them, they are quiet people, they are not show-offs, but they are very sincere, extremely kind-hearted. Such people when they face Sahaja Yoga, immediately they get their vibrations. They are not people who are worried about money, or they are worried about the gross things of life, or achievements that are so stupid. Such people may exist as very ordinary people; they need not be at the helm of affairs [and] mostly they are not, because they are not ambitious. They do not want much success in life. They don’t see any point in being very successful. They might be something very ordinary. They might be doing something very important also. But in their life, those who come in contact with them, remember that: “Yes! There was a life or there is a life. Definitely there is a spark.” Because such a person being so subtle does not assert. Such a person cannot be very dominating, assertive, argumentative. Such a person is quieter: his attention recedes from all quarrels and all squabbles of life. But such a person has a great position in the domain of God. That you have seen, how in Sahaja Yoga suddenly you find people manifesting their divinity. Maybe such a person is too naïve for all practical purposes. He might have been cheated, might have been misled by some horrible people who try to exploit his seeking, but still it remains. This element suddenly gets ignited in Sahaja Yoga and for such a person this is the most important thing: is to feel that Being which always kept him away from all the rest of the ideologies and ‘great’ things and have always given him strength and confidence and joy. He sees that clearly in Sahaj Yog. He adheres to it. And when he nourishes it, he’s amazed that he has found himself. Then it becomes his life. There are thousands and thousands of people everywhere. I say ‘thousands’, I don’t say ‘millions’. I am sorry, because they are not in millions. I am sorry for that. I wish they were. They could be counted in thousands only: maybe twenty-one thousand, altogether, of that quality. There won't be millions. But they will be making millions later on. They have to be a few! These are people of special calibre as I said. But it is necessary that everybody must be given Self-realisation, every seed must be germinated. But how many would sprout into the trees and would render fruit is a different point altogether. First and foremost thing is that, first let them all be germinated. In due course, all those would come back. But some would prosper into their complete manifestation, in their full bloom in a very short time, and that's what matters the most. The Divine is not interested in useless people, It is interested in that special calibre. As I have told you: such a person may not be at all rich, may be absolutely poor. That doesn’t mean that rich cannot be so! [They] can be very rich also. The outward appearances and status and all these denominations do not matter at all. I am talking of the spark inside. They can be called as gentlemen, in simple words, or if she is [female], a lady . A serene dignity manifests through their being. Sometimes it happens with their lives, also, that they find it very difficult to keep to the norms of the mad world, and they may be a little cynical sometimes, could be. But cynicism is not that subtlety, but they may appear to people a little cynical. But they have to be very delightful and extremely cheerful people. They cannot be morose, sad, emitting unhappiness all around, and big bores with a B capital and O capital, R and E, all capital. That cannot be possible. They are extremely enjoyable and magnetic and dynamic. They are complete in themselves because they feel their subtlety, they live on that. Still their seeking is there, and the meaning they try to find to their own being. And they want to identify their subtlety with something that is universal. In their expression in any field that they are, they appeal to the Universal Being within every one of us. Maybe, they may not get a Nobel Prize, but [they have] a personality that appeals, that emits that kind of congenial behaviour. Now if somebody is a person who is absolutely satanic, he will abhor such a person, possibly. But this does not concern to the subtler being because he is at a level which is not tarnished by gross attacks. That is what one has to recognise in oneself and one should feel very proud and fortunate that that exists within us. No more one has to feel lonely, because now we are so many of us, of the same creed and the same type. And so many of us who have found out what is the reason, what expresses it, what manifests it within us, what are the Deities that govern this subtlety within us: what you may call the archetype images; archetype images are there which are real, not imaginary, within us. And all these discoveries, then make you feel confident of all these vague subtleties you have been enjoying so far. A long time back, I had given a simile like this: that a mother bird puts the little child, or you can call, the baby bird, away from her. And the baby bird feels the mother's warmth, and she wants that. And she is calling for the mother. That calling itself is the last thing it knows of. That’s the highest thing for the baby bird, nothing else matters. You may give anything to the baby bird [but] it won't be happy, it needs that. It needs that warmth, that love. And then it expresses itself by spreading its tiny little wings around and tries to hop and to express it. And then out of complete joy of its hopping, the mother bird herself comes down and engulfs that child into the wings, giving all the warmth necessary. It is that happening within us which takes place when the Kundalini rises. The Kundalini is the part of that warmth within us, of that compassion. It’s a part of that beauty, it’s the part of that desire. Desire… What's the matter? The door is open or not. Come in, come in! They are waiting because they [don’t want to disturb]. What’s the matter? Yogi: Sorry we’re late Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, it’s all right. Come in! So the desire of God is placed within us as Kundalini. And when all the external desires dim out within us and the real desire to be one with the Almighty remains, the Kundalini can rise spontaneously. That has happened to few people, very few people: you can say like Buddha, Mahavira. These people were human beings and they achieved godliness: not by forcing yourself to get rid of your desires, but through wisdom, understanding that, “This is stupidity, this is foolishness. Where am I going?” Just the wisdom acting. Not a rational understanding, but the being itself rejecting. Such stages are achieved through one’s own evolutionary forces. Also, there are so many other happenings, or the other supports, which bring forth this kind of spontaneous rising of the Kundalini. There is somebody who wants to comes and see me because he said, "Mother you are an authority on Kundalini and there are many books written about Kundalini, and I have to write a criticism: that the Kundalini, when she rises, you start jumping and when she rises she gives you heat, or you burn off yourself or you jump through the roof or something like that.” All sorts of horrifying things and nobody wants to listen to anything about Kundalini. If you read those books, you’ll be really frightened. I think it is absolutely satanic. And he wants to know about the ‘authentic description’ of Kundalini. And I told him that, “These books, all of them, should be thrown away into the sea! Because they are written by people who have had no experience of Kundalini, of any kind.” Because they were people who must have been doing some sort of an ‘adventure’ somewhere. Like some people believe that even finding of God is another job: if you have no job, better find God, at least He might help you to survive! Some people do believe that instead of sitting idle, why not try to find God, would be a good idea. And when such a thing happens and they venture into the search of God then, first, they are hit by The Guard of Holiness. Because they are not entitled, they are not holy, they have no protocol about God Almighty, they have no respect, they are just doing it because they are ego-oriented, they want to have another ego-trip and they want to become ‘great explorers’ of Kundalini. But you cannot do it. You have to have proper protocol. They lack all humility, all holiness, righteousness and all that is needed, to ask the help of the Kundalini. And they are hit by the first Deity, which sits in the triangular bone, which they can also see sometimes — they have seen him, with a temper; in red colour, they call it or maybe in orange colour. Let him come, there’s somebody waiting there. This Deity is a very powerful Deity, and it is the wisest Deity, because it is the Deity which gives us wisdom. You need not argue with the gentleman: It knows you out and out. It knows every bit of you. If you tell some story, It would say, “All right, I have heard all this story before, now will you please keep to yourself!” It understands how genuine you are, how truthful you are. And this Deity is the one which has given these bad experiences to these Kundalini seekers and writers of Kundalini. It’s a sad thing that a thief comes to the town and he’s caught up by the police, he’s put in the jail, and when he goes back to the village, he tells them, “Oh God! Terrible! Never go to the city! They catch hold of you, put you in the jail, don’t give you food to eat, and then you cannot meet anyone for three years, and then they send you back!” And [so] everybody is frightened of going to the city. It is like that. Or the thief who goes to the bank from the back door, or sometimes they dig a tunnel or something like that: great people in this world, you know, they have time to do all kinds of nonsensical things, to dig a tunnel to get some gold pieces, or something and dig another tunnel to go to the jail directly. So, these stupid people, when they try to do all these gross things, like going to a bank through the back door and are caught up; if you go and ask them their experiences, they say, “Oh horrible experience! Never go near the bank! You don’t put your money there, no, not at all!” You ask them, “Why, what's the matter?” They say, “No they catch hold of you! You know, terrible people in that bank!” They could even go further with it to warn you. If they are cunning, they may come by the front door and tell you, “Why go and put money in the bank, you give it to me: I can look after it better. It's a better idea! And if you want, I can give you to twenty percent more than the bank does!” And if you trust their cunning faces, you just hand over the money and you are lost and the bank is lost to you. And then you may say that, “What is this bank?” In front of the bank there are people standing like this. What are these religions after all? What are these gurus in the name of God, standing in the front door, trying to rob others? What sort of a God is this? So you start blaming the bank for the thieves who have cheated you. You must learn to separate both. This discretion is important even when you try to know about Kundalini, that Kundalini is the desire of God to bestow upon you His kingdom. The prince has to become the king. And such a beautiful desire cannot be gross, cannot be ugly, cannot be painful, cannot be troublesome, cannot be hideous and heinous. Once you understand this, then you will respect your Kundalini. She is your Mother because She is going to give you your second birth. And She has been with you for ages, in so many lives, just waiting for this great time when She is going to give you your Realisation. I am telling you this because I know how beautiful She is. So many have really tortured Her, have frozen Her, made Her into a stone by cursing Her but still She is breathing feebly, with the hope that a day may come when She may be able to give you what She has been living for. This is Kundalini. This is Kundalini awakening. We have to give up our gross understanding of Kundalini. Like you would see in Sahaja Yoga when you will be coming, you have seen it all your life — and you will see it more — that so many of them just come to me for getting all right in health, only for that. “I have got a back pain.” “I have got a stomach trouble.” “I have got arthritis," or, “I have got diabetes.” There's nothing that is not there, and “I am sure you will cure me!” It's quite a queer situation! Because the request that I should cure is all right, but what is the right for this request? Why do you want that Divine should cure you? For what? For what purpose? If Divine has to only cure people, It would open lots of hospitals and get some Nobel Prize or something. But it is not the desire of Divine to go on curing people. It would be stupid to just cure people who are good for nothing, useless, absolutely useless, thoroughly wasted. Why should It work [like this]? It has intelligence. It has wisdom. Is It going to waste Its energy on curing people who are good for nothing, useless? Are you going to clean this lamp if you cannot put any light in it? If you have no utility, in the Divine sense, why should Divine cure you? So all those who believe, “Oh Mother, you must cure people,” and that you should cure people, must know that all this is the work of Kundalini when She rises: She nourishes you, She cleanses you, because in this being of yours, God Himself is going to manifest, because this temple of your body is to be cleansed, because God has to enter into it. That’s why the Divine respects and cleanses you and helps you. Even it may help yours, means say a mother is there and her child is not all right, she’s worried, so the Divine may cure the child, just to give peace to the mother who is going to manifest God’s powers. Because God’s power is the integrated power of all the powers. You can see here, on the left hand side: all the desires are manifested; the power of desire. That means all the desires you have can be fulfilled and blessed by this power. Can you believe it? It has the power to fulfil all your desires, but after Realisation, not before that. And after Realisation, your priorities change and your desires become different. Then you do not ask for money or for children, or something like that but you start asking for something of a very eternal nature. The priorities change. You start seeing your desire in a different aspect because light has come now. For example, in the darkness when you are walking, you find that there's a big black band in front of you, you can’t walk, so you desire, “Oh this band should be removed!” But when the light comes in you find there’s no band, nothing! It’s all open for you. So your desire is that you should be able to see everything. The whole priority changes. So this Left Side has the power to fulfil all your desires. And the Right Side, where you see this yellow line, which looks so slender, has the power to act, to fulfil all your desires and the desires of God. Here I take you a little subtler: What are these acting powers? Tremendous! For example, this side is manifesting all the five elements. All the five elements await your asking. You see this fire? You ask this fire, “Take away my problem!” It takes away. You have seen it. Water element: you go to the sea, and just go and stand in the sea, after Realisation. You find the whole thing is sucked in. The Mother Earth sucks all your problems. It's so fantastic. I was in Kuala Lumpur, you may write to him and find out. He was the speaker of the assembly: [I was] at his residence, and there were at least thousand people. And sixty percent were sick, and forty were attending to them. I was alone: no Sahaja Yogi, nothing. Luckily, they had a big garden and it was quite warm day. I said, “All right, let’s go in the garden!” I made them sit in the garden and I asked the Mother Earth: I said, “You better now do the job! And I am sitting down.” And everybody started feeling better. One thing I had never before seen being cured was this polio. And a little boy, about eight years of age was sitting on the ground: his parents had brought him on their back and put him down there. He just got up and started walking! And the parents suddenly realised he’s missing: “Where is he gone?” And he was running in the garden! It’s a fact! Some blind started seeing things. It’s most remarkable. You may write to him, I will give you his address. It's a fact, it happened. And for everyone the whole miracle was so simple that they took it for granted; they didn't find that there was anything so fantastic: “After all Mother is here, so it has to work out!” They did not rationalise it or anything — took it for granted. And even today, if I go there, this may happen. All the elements are waiting for your orders. So the great angels on the left hand side communicate to the right hand side angels: all the angels of the world. Though it may sound fantastic to many, but they exist, and you have to just ask their help. That is what is a mantra: is the awakened calling, or you can say, calling which has meaning. For example: a policeman blows his whistle, it has a meaning, but anybody else starts whistling, people will put him in the jail. In the same way, the mantra is the authority which is applied with the word. And with this you can awaken all these forces within you. They are so tremendous that I’ll take at least seven lectures to describe [and] which I will describe some time; of which you are aware already, most of you: how they work and how they help you. Even we take them for granted, Sahaja Yogis, because if you notice in life, has one great mystery, I don’t know if you are aware of that mystery: that whatever fantastic we get, somehow or other, we get it in such a way that we take it for granted. It’s very sweet, isn’t it? Supposing every time we get a shock or we get frightened, and we say, “Oh God!” We would become neurotic, or funny people. But the way it settles down within us like a leaf falling from the tree and drying out and just touches the ground softly, and the ground also takes it for granted. In the same way, all this we take for granted. For example, our eyes, our nose, our forehead, everything we take for granted, our human bearing, everything we take it for granted. In the same way we take even Sahaj Yog for granted: and that’s the best way. But do we take it for granted, the way we take our being for granted? Is the question. For example, we take it for granted our hand: so if I have to lift my purse, I lift my hand, like this. When we take Sahaja Yoga for granted, do we use our vibrations for everything? Because now in our vibratory awareness, if we have taken it for granted, we should completely stand in it and work it out. I mean, I do that way. To me everything is nothing but vibrations. Everything I do is nothing but vibrations. All my movements and everything is nothing but vibrations. I take for granted Myself very well. I wish you could take for granted all that is within you, the way we take [other things] for granted. Say, I give you a television and you just take it and you put it to the mains and you see the thing. You do not jump and say, “Oh God, look at the miracle! Imagine!” Nothing, you just take it for granted. Anything: computer or any marvellous thing that you see — you take it for granted. In the same way, maybe in the beginning one feels, “How is it possible?” One may start thinking like that for a while. Too much thinking is also not good, because then you are not take it for granted. But afterwards, you must use it left and right! Just try! You are empowered. Now your television is open. It has started working. You are a great instrument and created [over] thousands of years with such care. You do not know what forces have been used: how delicately and how dynamically. You have no idea as to how all the stars and all the heavens are moved up and down to create this beautiful being that is the human personality. You have no idea of that. And now, when Sahaj Yoga takes place, also you must know that Sahaj Yoga’s working has been worked out in a very dynamic manner. There are tremendous subtle forces which are working it out. You cannot make your Kundalini pulsate without something special happening there. Just think of a remote control that works out your Kundalini! Just think of it! There must be a tremendous mechanism! Why I say, take it for granted [is] because if you try first to open all your remote controls and see for yourself and then breaking all of them, you start starting your television, you will find the whole thing is finished and you have a headache, and you don’t want to see anything. That’s what happens to Sahaj Yogis, specially in the West, because as soon as they get their Realisation they go home and make a nice dissection by thinking about it. They didn’t get Realisation by thinking! It’s a simple thing! And then they go back. And then after seven months they come back and say, “Mother I have been to you seven months back, now I think I was wrong.” So I say: why lose those seven months? Today I hope you all will feel our subtleties flowering. Let us take ourselves down to those subtle points which we respected and the Kundalini will nourish it — the attention. Wherever your attention goes now, this attention is enlightened attention. Today I received a letter from Australia, somebody has written, “Mother, we had sent you a picture of someone, husband and wife, and they are better since you gave them bandhan.” And they were very serious patients. And they are really better. But I did nothing! Really I don’t do anything. I just looked at the photograph, that’s all. I didn’t even give bandhan, you know, to be very frank. I just looked at it, that's all. I didn’t think, I just looked at it, and it worked. Really I don’t do anything! You people thank me for nothing at all, you know. When you don’t do anything and people thank you, you don’t know what to say so you go on saying, “All right, thank you for thanking!” (laughing) So again, thank you for being here. And we’ll have some meditation. I hope we’ll touch some deeper stratas within yourselves. May God bless you all! You have come for the first time both of you? You have been once before? What about you? Lady: It’s my first time. Shri Mataji: First time? Good. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: All right, so you haven't lost it! And what about you, are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? Seeker: No Shri Mataji: Not yet? All right, it will work out, it will work out. What about you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? No? How are you? Yogi: Feeling the cool breeze Mother. Shri Mataji: Well good! Good! Good! Are you all right? Good.What about you? Lady: I don’t feel today. Shri Mataji: You are thinking! Now, please! Please! You see, thinking stops it. How? Between the two thoughts — for example, a thought rises and falls off, and another thought rises and falls off — between these two thoughts there is a little gap, that gap has expanded. For example, the thought that was, is the past and that is going to come is the future. In between is the space called as vilamba. And when you start thinking about it you jump onto the cusp of these thoughts. You are beyond thought. An Indian will understand it faster, because it’s called as Nirvichar Samadhi: is the state where you become thoughtlessly aware. They know that that’s what it is. You cannot think about it, because rationality is a limited thing. So you have to jump into the space. When you are in the space then you are not in the capsule. But if you are in the capsule you are not in the space. Better now? Lady: Yes. Shri Mataji: See how it works. Even your problems, I mean, I have given big lectures on this, how to solve your problems, in your thoughtless awareness. That’s the mouth, that’s the mouth where you have to put the problem in, and it works in your thoughtless awareness. It’s the most precious thing, is to keep it up. Are you getting now cool breeze? Correct. What about you, not yet? Now watch me here. Are you thinking still? All right, you watch me without thinking. That’s another way you can do it. My face is such a funny thing that if you watch it for a long time, you will have no thoughts! Just it is something very funny you know! Today it happened: I went to the tailor and he just looked at me and he didn’t know what he was trying to do. And my husband said, “Is he stunned or what happened?” (laughter) Now watch me without thinking! Better! See! This is the face! This is needed. What am I to do? I mean, this is the problem with me. I don't know how to explain myself! Aap ka aa rahe thanda? Thik hai. (Hindi: Are you getting cool? Good!) How are you now? Better? Everyday you will be better and better and better. How are you? Lady: A bit better. Not so good as yesterday. I felt a lot of cool breeze yesterday but not so much today. Shri Mataji: So, that means you are going down a little. All right? So now keep it up. You see, it is like a washing machine, I can say. It goes round and round, a little bit, for cleansing. All right? They call it Mahamaya. They call it “The Great Illusion”. Mother is a great illusion, because She puts us into illusion. I do not! We tell God, “Lead us not into temptation.” Now why will He take you to temptation? But you do go. So you tell God that, “You keep us away from that!” That’s all you tell God: that, “You keep us away from thinking!” And it works. Better? Your face looks different immediately. Keep it up! Now all right. Good, once it clicks! But you must come every Monday. See how people have gone up! How many people they are giving Realisation? All right? You must come, this is the most pleasurable thing! You don’t know. It is little bit you have to develop the taste. Because you are used to the gross stuff, you see. Like somebody who is used to wines cannot give up. But once the wine from within starts pouring in, you just don’t want it! Better. Somebody has come I believe. Hmmm! He’s better now. All right? What’s happened Gavin? I see that so clear! Why? You’ve been having a holiday or what? It’s horrible, absolutely! Very badly caught up! What’s the matter? You had a bad cold? Come here! I have never seen you being caught that much. You had exposed yourself I think [it was] the sunning or what happened? Terrible! Better? Be careful! You see, these days it’s very sunny, looks sunny, but maybe…You have to look after yourself. This country is full of this problem. Now better. What’s it? Vishuddhi. It rises from Vishuddhi to this. Haa! Better now. You sit or a while and it will work out in the…You see it rises from the Vishuddhi to the. I think you caught cold very badly. What happened? Gavin Brown: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: I think you put your hand here. Sit down! Be careful. Hmm! Better. Somebody with cold must have come or something you see, or the hay fever is there. Gavin Brown: Might be that. Shri Mataji: From Right Nabhi: it’s on the right hand side the problem is. How are you? Good! Now close your eyes, close. You put your hand here, the right, and the left there to work out the Vishuddhi. Right Nabhi also. Is it your liver coming up or what? Gavin Brown: I don’t think so. Shri Mataji: Quite a lot eh? Gavin Brown: Hmm. Shri Mataji: All right, move from the left more, from the left. Keep your eyes shut and enjoy your Self, enjoy your Self. Just don’t think. Just don’t think. Just enjoy your Self. Don’t think. Don’t think. Hmm! Better. Where is it Mark? Whole Left? Better now? Improving? Heart? Better. Keep your eyes shut! Enjoy your Self. You are all going down into your Self. Just allow it. Relax, relax. Just relax. Don’t think about anything just relax. You are working it out. Now just relax. Don’t think. Better now. Tremendous! Haa? Giving out. Better. Now, better now? Now are you feeling? Better? Losing again? You are losing again? What? Come up, come here. Sit down. Sit down. See your liver comes back again: still treating your liver patients there is it? Come forward, come forward. I’ll have to put my foot on your liver. Now just see how stone-like it has become. See now, what else do you expect but heat? See? That’s what it is. Now better? Somebody’s catching on the Back Agnya. Hmm! Gavin Brown: It’s moving. It’s moving now. Shri Mataji: Better? Much better now. Sorry I have to use my feet but they are very powerful you know. For physical problems they are better than my hands are. Poor things, they go on working morning till evening! Press it hard! Better! Still you are working with the liver patients are they? Doctor: Hmm. Shri Mataji: What do you do about them? What treatments do you give for liver patients in the hospitals? Doctor: Special drugs. Shri Mataji: What drugs? Doctor: Depends what the problem is with the liver. Shri Mataji: But still what drugs normally you use? Doctor: The main things they use are for someone who is alcoholic and they start to bleed. Shri Mataji: Alcohol? Doctor: They have alcoholic cirrhosis and they bleed and they vomit blood. Shri Mataji: Really? That serious? Doctor: So we have special drugs to help stop that. Shri Mataji: Just look at this! Despite that, nobody publishes these things. You know, the other day in a very so-called important dinner table, there was a big argument [that] was on that, in France, the pubs are open all the time, while here they open very late, so people are very unhappy that you are not sufficiently alcoholic! A big discussion is on. Let them see these photographs! Why not show them how people vomit blood and how people do these things. It would be a good idea. And the food they eat do they? Doctor: Well, there’s so many different problems we have with the liver. Say, they are alcoholic then they have intravenous therapy. Shri Mataji: They cannot eat the food? They vomit? Doctor: So they put special tubes down them to stop them vomiting, and then they give them blood because they are losing so much. (End of recording)	null	null	null	“The Subtlety Within”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 9 June 1980. [The other] day in the ashram I was telling you about our subtleties, the subtleties we have already within us which we do not understand. Could be from our sub-conscious mind, could be from our supra-conscious mind, could be from anywhere that is unknown to us; but the subtleties that lead us to our universal being is the one we should bother about. We have sometimes heard about people who get a hunch. Like somebody says, “I must buy this house, I get a hunch that I should buy it.” Or sometimes people say that, “I always hear something, somebody tells me that this should not be done.” But all such suggestions must be judged that they come to you to tell you about something of the beyond or something that concerns the mundane life, like buying a house. God is not interested, very much, in what house you buy, or how much money you make in a race: He is not! Because it is not important to God. One can understand that, isn't it. Also that God is not interested in telling you against someone in the ear that, “Beware of this man, he is a dangerous guy!” For, if somebody is going to harm you physically, maybe to some part, we can say that God wants to preserve your body; but this body is also not so important to God, because He can create it again! The most important thing that God has to give us is His love, His connection with us, His Kingdom, His powers. So, the subtleties which we should really accept within us, should be [those] which take you to the realm of joy, to the realm of collectivity. Like suddenly you see a little child weeping on the street and you feel [that] your heart is weeping. Not that you feel guilty about it but you feel one with the child and you feel you are weeping: then definitely that subtlety of compassion that God is, is felt within you. But you don't feel guilty about it, or you don't give him 2p (£0.02) or something to insult his ego. You do something very constructive about it, extremely constructive, and you do it secretly; you don't like to tell anybody about it because you think it is vulgar to talk about your compassion. You do it so sweetly that the other fellow doesn't feel it. The whole act is such a beautifying thing. You don’t announce it in the paper and you don't publish it in “Who’s Who” or you do not go for a Nobel Prize or something like that. This is all very vulgar for the Subtle Thing that you worship within yourself, because that element within you is so much higher than all these gross considerations that you just care for that. That is what God is. That’s how God shines within us, even before our Realisation, before our connection with God. He shines in some people even before they have been Realised. You see them, they are quiet people, they are not show-offs, but they are very sincere, extremely kind-hearted. Such people when they face Sahaja Yoga, immediately they get their vibrations. They are not people who are worried about money, or they are worried about the gross things of life, or achievements that are so stupid. Such people may exist as very ordinary people; they need not be at the helm of affairs [and] mostly they are not, because they are not ambitious. They do not want much success in life. They don’t see any point in being very successful. They might be something very ordinary. They might be doing something very important also. But in their life, those who come in contact with them, remember that: “Yes! There was a life or there is a life. Definitely there is a spark.” Because such a person being so subtle does not assert. Such a person cannot be very dominating, assertive, argumentative. Such a person is quieter: his attention recedes from all quarrels and all squabbles of life. But such a person has a great position in the domain of God. That you have seen, how in Sahaja Yoga suddenly you find people manifesting their divinity. Maybe such a person is too naïve for all practical purposes. He might have been cheated, might have been misled by some horrible people who try to exploit his seeking, but still it remains. This element suddenly gets ignited in Sahaja Yoga and for such a person this is the most important thing: is to feel that Being which always kept him away from all the rest of the ideologies and ‘great’ things and have always given him strength and confidence and joy. He sees that clearly in Sahaj Yog. He adheres to it. And when he nourishes it, he’s amazed that he has found himself. Then it becomes his life. There are thousands and thousands of people everywhere. I say ‘thousands’, I don’t say ‘millions’. I am sorry, because they are not in millions. I am sorry for that. I wish they were. They could be counted in thousands only: maybe twenty-one thousand, altogether, of that quality. There won't be millions. But they will be making millions later on. They have to be a few! These are people of special calibre as I said. But it is necessary that everybody must be given Self-realisation, every seed must be germinated. But how many would sprout into the trees and would render fruit is a different point altogether. First and foremost thing is that, first let them all be germinated. In due course, all those would come back. But some would prosper into their complete manifestation, in their full bloom in a very short time, and that's what matters the most. The Divine is not interested in useless people, It is interested in that special calibre. As I have told you: such a person may not be at all rich, may be absolutely poor. That doesn’t mean that rich cannot be so! [They] can be very rich also. The outward appearances and status and all these denominations do not matter at all. I am talking of the spark inside. They can be called as gentlemen, in simple words, or if she is [female], a lady . A serene dignity manifests through their being. Sometimes it happens with their lives, also, that they find it very difficult to keep to the norms of the mad world, and they may be a little cynical sometimes, could be. But cynicism is not that subtlety, but they may appear to people a little cynical. But they have to be very delightful and extremely cheerful people. They cannot be morose, sad, emitting unhappiness all around, and big bores with a B capital and O capital, R and E, all capital. That cannot be possible. They are extremely enjoyable and magnetic and dynamic. They are complete in themselves because they feel their subtlety, they live on that. Still their seeking is there, and the meaning they try to find to their own being. And they want to identify their subtlety with something that is universal. In their expression in any field that they are, they appeal to the Universal Being within every one of us. Maybe, they may not get a Nobel Prize, but [they have] a personality that appeals, that emits that kind of congenial behaviour. Now if somebody is a person who is absolutely satanic, he will abhor such a person, possibly. But this does not concern to the subtler being because he is at a level which is not tarnished by gross attacks. That is what one has to recognise in oneself and one should feel very proud and fortunate that that exists within us. No more one has to feel lonely, because now we are so many of us, of the same creed and the same type. And so many of us who have found out what is the reason, what expresses it, what manifests it within us, what are the Deities that govern this subtlety within us: what you may call the archetype images; archetype images are there which are real, not imaginary, within us. And all these discoveries, then make you feel confident of all these vague subtleties you have been enjoying so far. A long time back, I had given a simile like this: that a mother bird puts the little child, or you can call, the baby bird, away from her. And the baby bird feels the mother's warmth, and she wants that. And she is calling for the mother. That calling itself is the last thing it knows of. That’s the highest thing for the baby bird, nothing else matters. You may give anything to the baby bird [but] it won't be happy, it needs that. It needs that warmth, that love. And then it expresses itself by spreading its tiny little wings around and tries to hop and to express it. And then out of complete joy of its hopping, the mother bird herself comes down and engulfs that child into the wings, giving all the warmth necessary. It is that happening within us which takes place when the Kundalini rises. The Kundalini is the part of that warmth within us, of that compassion. It’s a part of that beauty, it’s the part of that desire. Desire… What's the matter? The door is open or not. Come in, come in! They are waiting because they [don’t want to disturb]. What’s the matter? Yogi: Sorry we’re late Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: No, it’s all right. Come in! So the desire of God is placed within us as Kundalini. And when all the external desires dim out within us and the real desire to be one with the Almighty remains, the Kundalini can rise spontaneously. That has happened to few people, very few people: you can say like Buddha, Mahavira. These people were human beings and they achieved godliness: not by forcing yourself to get rid of your desires, but through wisdom, understanding that, “This is stupidity, this is foolishness. Where am I going?” Just the wisdom acting. Not a rational understanding, but the being itself rejecting. Such stages are achieved through one’s own evolutionary forces. Also, there are so many other happenings, or the other supports, which bring forth this kind of spontaneous rising of the Kundalini. There is somebody who wants to comes and see me because he said, "Mother you are an authority on Kundalini and there are many books written about Kundalini, and I have to write a criticism: that the Kundalini, when she rises, you start jumping and when she rises she gives you heat, or you burn off yourself or you jump through the roof or something like that.” All sorts of horrifying things and nobody wants to listen to anything about Kundalini. If you read those books, you’ll be really frightened. I think it is absolutely satanic. And he wants to know about the ‘authentic description’ of Kundalini. And I told him that, “These books, all of them, should be thrown away into the sea! Because they are written by people who have had no experience of Kundalini, of any kind.” Because they were people who must have been doing some sort of an ‘adventure’ somewhere. Like some people believe that even finding of God is another job: if you have no job, better find God, at least He might help you to survive! Some people do believe that instead of sitting idle, why not try to find God, would be a good idea. And when such a thing happens and they venture into the search of God then, first, they are hit by The Guard of Holiness. Because they are not entitled, they are not holy, they have no protocol about God Almighty, they have no respect, they are just doing it because they are ego-oriented, they want to have another ego-trip and they want to become ‘great explorers’ of Kundalini. But you cannot do it. You have to have proper protocol. They lack all humility, all holiness, righteousness and all that is needed, to ask the help of the Kundalini. And they are hit by the first Deity, which sits in the triangular bone, which they can also see sometimes — they have seen him, with a temper; in red colour, they call it or maybe in orange colour. Let him come, there’s somebody waiting there. This Deity is a very powerful Deity, and it is the wisest Deity, because it is the Deity which gives us wisdom. You need not argue with the gentleman: It knows you out and out. It knows every bit of you. If you tell some story, It would say, “All right, I have heard all this story before, now will you please keep to yourself!” It understands how genuine you are, how truthful you are. And this Deity is the one which has given these bad experiences to these Kundalini seekers and writers of Kundalini. It’s a sad thing that a thief comes to the town and he’s caught up by the police, he’s put in the jail, and when he goes back to the village, he tells them, “Oh God! Terrible! Never go to the city! They catch hold of you, put you in the jail, don’t give you food to eat, and then you cannot meet anyone for three years, and then they send you back!” And [so] everybody is frightened of going to the city. It is like that. Or the thief who goes to the bank from the back door, or sometimes they dig a tunnel or something like that: great people in this world, you know, they have time to do all kinds of nonsensical things, to dig a tunnel to get some gold pieces, or something and dig another tunnel to go to the jail directly. So, these stupid people, when they try to do all these gross things, like going to a bank through the back door and are caught up; if you go and ask them their experiences, they say, “Oh horrible experience! Never go near the bank! You don’t put your money there, no, not at all!” You ask them, “Why, what's the matter?” They say, “No they catch hold of you! You know, terrible people in that bank!” They could even go further with it to warn you. If they are cunning, they may come by the front door and tell you, “Why go and put money in the bank, you give it to me: I can look after it better. It's a better idea! And if you want, I can give you to twenty percent more than the bank does!” And if you trust their cunning faces, you just hand over the money and you are lost and the bank is lost to you. And then you may say that, “What is this bank?” In front of the bank there are people standing like this. What are these religions after all? What are these gurus in the name of God, standing in the front door, trying to rob others? What sort of a God is this? So you start blaming the bank for the thieves who have cheated you. You must learn to separate both. This discretion is important even when you try to know about Kundalini, that Kundalini is the desire of God to bestow upon you His kingdom. The prince has to become the king. And such a beautiful desire cannot be gross, cannot be ugly, cannot be painful, cannot be troublesome, cannot be hideous and heinous. Once you understand this, then you will respect your Kundalini. She is your Mother because She is going to give you your second birth. And She has been with you for ages, in so many lives, just waiting for this great time when She is going to give you your Realisation. I am telling you this because I know how beautiful She is. So many have really tortured Her, have frozen Her, made Her into a stone by cursing Her but still She is breathing feebly, with the hope that a day may come when She may be able to give you what She has been living for. This is Kundalini. This is Kundalini awakening. We have to give up our gross understanding of Kundalini. Like you would see in Sahaja Yoga when you will be coming, you have seen it all your life — and you will see it more — that so many of them just come to me for getting all right in health, only for that. “I have got a back pain.” “I have got a stomach trouble.” “I have got arthritis," or, “I have got diabetes.” There's nothing that is not there, and “I am sure you will cure me!” It's quite a queer situation! Because the request that I should cure is all right, but what is the right for this request? Why do you want that Divine should cure you? For what? For what purpose? If Divine has to only cure people, It would open lots of hospitals and get some Nobel Prize or something. But it is not the desire of Divine to go on curing people. It would be stupid to just cure people who are good for nothing, useless, absolutely useless, thoroughly wasted. Why should It work [like this]? It has intelligence. It has wisdom. Is It going to waste Its energy on curing people who are good for nothing, useless? Are you going to clean this lamp if you cannot put any light in it? If you have no utility, in the Divine sense, why should Divine cure you? So all those who believe, “Oh Mother, you must cure people,” and that you should cure people, must know that all this is the work of Kundalini when She rises: She nourishes you, She cleanses you, because in this being of yours, God Himself is going to manifest, because this temple of your body is to be cleansed, because God has to enter into it. That’s why the Divine respects and cleanses you and helps you. Even it may help yours, means say a mother is there and her child is not all right, she’s worried, so the Divine may cure the child, just to give peace to the mother who is going to manifest God’s powers. Because God’s power is the integrated power of all the powers. You can see here, on the left hand side: all the desires are manifested; the power of desire. That means all the desires you have can be fulfilled and blessed by this power. Can you believe it? It has the power to fulfil all your desires, but after Realisation, not before that. And after Realisation, your priorities change and your desires become different. Then you do not ask for money or for children, or something like that but you start asking for something of a very eternal nature. The priorities change. You start seeing your desire in a different aspect because light has come now. For example, in the darkness when you are walking, you find that there's a big black band in front of you, you can’t walk, so you desire, “Oh this band should be removed!” But when the light comes in you find there’s no band, nothing! It’s all open for you. So your desire is that you should be able to see everything. The whole priority changes. So this Left Side has the power to fulfil all your desires. And the Right Side, where you see this yellow line, which looks so slender, has the power to act, to fulfil all your desires and the desires of God. Here I take you a little subtler: What are these acting powers? Tremendous! For example, this side is manifesting all the five elements. All the five elements await your asking. You see this fire? You ask this fire, “Take away my problem!” It takes away. You have seen it. Water element: you go to the sea, and just go and stand in the sea, after Realisation. You find the whole thing is sucked in. The Mother Earth sucks all your problems. It's so fantastic. I was in Kuala Lumpur, you may write to him and find out. He was the speaker of the assembly: [I was] at his residence, and there were at least thousand people. And sixty percent were sick, and forty were attending to them. I was alone: no Sahaja Yogi, nothing. Luckily, they had a big garden and it was quite warm day. I said, “All right, let’s go in the garden!” I made them sit in the garden and I asked the Mother Earth: I said, “You better now do the job! And I am sitting down.” And everybody started feeling better. One thing I had never before seen being cured was this polio. And a little boy, about eight years of age was sitting on the ground: his parents had brought him on their back and put him down there. He just got up and started walking! And the parents suddenly realised he’s missing: “Where is he gone?” And he was running in the garden! It’s a fact! Some blind started seeing things. It’s most remarkable. You may write to him, I will give you his address. It's a fact, it happened. And for everyone the whole miracle was so simple that they took it for granted; they didn't find that there was anything so fantastic: “After all Mother is here, so it has to work out!” They did not rationalise it or anything — took it for granted. And even today, if I go there, this may happen. All the elements are waiting for your orders. So the great angels on the left hand side communicate to the right hand side angels: all the angels of the world. Though it may sound fantastic to many, but they exist, and you have to just ask their help. That is what is a mantra: is the awakened calling, or you can say, calling which has meaning. For example: a policeman blows his whistle, it has a meaning, but anybody else starts whistling, people will put him in the jail. In the same way, the mantra is the authority which is applied with the word. And with this you can awaken all these forces within you. They are so tremendous that I’ll take at least seven lectures to describe [and] which I will describe some time; of which you are aware already, most of you: how they work and how they help you. Even we take them for granted, Sahaja Yogis, because if you notice in life, has one great mystery, I don’t know if you are aware of that mystery: that whatever fantastic we get, somehow or other, we get it in such a way that we take it for granted. It’s very sweet, isn’t it? Supposing every time we get a shock or we get frightened, and we say, “Oh God!” We would become neurotic, or funny people. But the way it settles down within us like a leaf falling from the tree and drying out and just touches the ground softly, and the ground also takes it for granted. In the same way, all this we take for granted. For example, our eyes, our nose, our forehead, everything we take for granted, our human bearing, everything we take it for granted. In the same way we take even Sahaj Yog for granted: and that’s the best way. But do we take it for granted, the way we take our being for granted? Is the question. For example, we take it for granted our hand: so if I have to lift my purse, I lift my hand, like this. When we take Sahaja Yoga for granted, do we use our vibrations for everything? Because now in our vibratory awareness, if we have taken it for granted, we should completely stand in it and work it out. I mean, I do that way. To me everything is nothing but vibrations. Everything I do is nothing but vibrations. All my movements and everything is nothing but vibrations. I take for granted Myself very well. I wish you could take for granted all that is within you, the way we take [other things] for granted. Say, I give you a television and you just take it and you put it to the mains and you see the thing. You do not jump and say, “Oh God, look at the miracle! Imagine!” Nothing, you just take it for granted. Anything: computer or any marvellous thing that you see — you take it for granted. In the same way, maybe in the beginning one feels, “How is it possible?” One may start thinking like that for a while. Too much thinking is also not good, because then you are not take it for granted. But afterwards, you must use it left and right! Just try! You are empowered. Now your television is open. It has started working. You are a great instrument and created [over] thousands of years with such care. You do not know what forces have been used: how delicately and how dynamically. You have no idea as to how all the stars and all the heavens are moved up and down to create this beautiful being that is the human personality. You have no idea of that. And now, when Sahaj Yoga takes place, also you must know that Sahaj Yoga’s working has been worked out in a very dynamic manner. There are tremendous subtle forces which are working it out. You cannot make your Kundalini pulsate without something special happening there. Just think of a remote control that works out your Kundalini! Just think of it! There must be a tremendous mechanism! Why I say, take it for granted [is] because if you try first to open all your remote controls and see for yourself and then breaking all of them, you start starting your television, you will find the whole thing is finished and you have a headache, and you don’t want to see anything. That’s what happens to Sahaj Yogis, specially in the West, because as soon as they get their Realisation they go home and make a nice dissection by thinking about it. They didn’t get Realisation by thinking! It’s a simple thing! And then they go back. And then after seven months they come back and say, “Mother I have been to you seven months back, now I think I was wrong.” So I say: why lose those seven months? Today I hope you all will feel our subtleties flowering. Let us take ourselves down to those subtle points which we respected and the Kundalini will nourish it — the attention. Wherever your attention goes now, this attention is enlightened attention. Today I received a letter from Australia, somebody has written, “Mother, we had sent you a picture of someone, husband and wife, and they are better since you gave them bandhan.” And they were very serious patients. And they are really better. But I did nothing! Really I don’t do anything. I just looked at the photograph, that’s all. I didn’t even give bandhan, you know, to be very frank. I just looked at it, that's all. I didn’t think, I just looked at it, and it worked. Really I don’t do anything! You people thank me for nothing at all, you know. When you don’t do anything and people thank you, you don’t know what to say so you go on saying, “All right, thank you for thanking!” (laughing) So again, thank you for being here. And we’ll have some meditation. I hope we’ll touch some deeper stratas within yourselves. May God bless you all! You have come for the first time both of you? You have been once before? What about you? Lady: It’s my first time. Shri Mataji: First time? Good. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: All right, so you haven't lost it! And what about you, are you feeling the cool breeze in the hand? Seeker: No Shri Mataji: Not yet? All right, it will work out, it will work out. What about you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? No? How are you? Yogi: Feeling the cool breeze Mother. Shri Mataji: Well good! Good! Good! Are you all right? Good.What about you? Lady: I don’t feel today. Shri Mataji: You are thinking! Now, please! Please! You see, thinking stops it. How? Between the two thoughts — for example, a thought rises and falls off, and another thought rises and falls off — between these two thoughts there is a little gap, that gap has expanded. For example, the thought that was, is the past and that is going to come is the future. In between is the space called as vilamba. And when you start thinking about it you jump onto the cusp of these thoughts. You are beyond thought. An Indian will understand it faster, because it’s called as Nirvichar Samadhi: is the state where you become thoughtlessly aware. They know that that’s what it is. You cannot think about it, because rationality is a limited thing. So you have to jump into the space. When you are in the space then you are not in the capsule. But if you are in the capsule you are not in the space. Better now? Lady: Yes. Shri Mataji: See how it works. Even your problems, I mean, I have given big lectures on this, how to solve your problems, in your thoughtless awareness. That’s the mouth, that’s the mouth where you have to put the problem in, and it works in your thoughtless awareness. It’s the most precious thing, is to keep it up. Are you getting now cool breeze? Correct. What about you, not yet? Now watch me here. Are you thinking still? All right, you watch me without thinking. That’s another way you can do it. My face is such a funny thing that if you watch it for a long time, you will have no thoughts! Just it is something very funny you know! Today it happened: I went to the tailor and he just looked at me and he didn’t know what he was trying to do. And my husband said, “Is he stunned or what happened?” (laughter) Now watch me without thinking! Better! See! This is the face! This is needed. What am I to do? I mean, this is the problem with me. I don't know how to explain myself! Aap ka aa rahe thanda? Thik hai. (Hindi: Are you getting cool? Good!) How are you now? Better? Everyday you will be better and better and better. How are you? Lady: A bit better. Not so good as yesterday. I felt a lot of cool breeze yesterday but not so much today. Shri Mataji: So, that means you are going down a little. All right? So now keep it up. You see, it is like a washing machine, I can say. It goes round and round, a little bit, for cleansing. All right? They call it Mahamaya. They call it “The Great Illusion”. Mother is a great illusion, because She puts us into illusion. I do not! We tell God, “Lead us not into temptation.” Now why will He take you to temptation? But you do go. So you tell God that, “You keep us away from that!” That’s all you tell God: that, “You keep us away from thinking!” And it works. Better? Your face looks different immediately. Keep it up! Now all right. Good, once it clicks! But you must come every Monday. See how people have gone up! How many people they are giving Realisation? All right? You must come, this is the most pleasurable thing! You don’t know. It is little bit you have to develop the taste. Because you are used to the gross stuff, you see. Like somebody who is used to wines cannot give up. But once the wine from within starts pouring in, you just don’t want it! Better. Somebody has come I believe. Hmmm! He’s better now. All right? What’s happened Gavin? I see that so clear! Why? You’ve been having a holiday or what? It’s horrible, absolutely! Very badly caught up! What’s the matter? You had a bad cold? Come here! I have never seen you being caught that much. You had exposed yourself I think [it was] the sunning or what happened? Terrible! Better? Be careful! You see, these days it’s very sunny, looks sunny, but maybe…You have to look after yourself. This country is full of this problem. Now better. What’s it? Vishuddhi. It rises from Vishuddhi to this. Haa! Better now. You sit or a while and it will work out in the…You see it rises from the Vishuddhi to the. I think you caught cold very badly. What happened? Gavin Brown: I don’t know. Shri Mataji: I think you put your hand here. Sit down! Be careful. Hmm! Better. Somebody with cold must have come or something you see, or the hay fever is there. Gavin Brown: Might be that. Shri Mataji: From Right Nabhi: it’s on the right hand side the problem is. How are you? Good! Now close your eyes, close. You put your hand here, the right, and the left there to work out the Vishuddhi. Right Nabhi also. Is it your liver coming up or what? Gavin Brown: I don’t think so. Shri Mataji: Quite a lot eh? Gavin Brown: Hmm. Shri Mataji: All right, move from the left more, from the left. Keep your eyes shut and enjoy your Self, enjoy your Self. Just don’t think. Just don’t think. Just enjoy your Self. Don’t think. Don’t think. Hmm! Better. Where is it Mark? Whole Left? Better now? Improving? Heart? Better. Keep your eyes shut! Enjoy your Self. You are all going down into your Self. Just allow it. Relax, relax. Just relax. Don’t think about anything just relax. You are working it out. Now just relax. Don’t think. Better now. Tremendous! Haa? Giving out. Better. Now, better now? Now are you feeling? Better? Losing again? You are losing again? What? Come up, come here. Sit down. Sit down. See your liver comes back again: still treating your liver patients there is it? Come forward, come forward. I’ll have to put my foot on your liver. Now just see how stone-like it has become. See now, what else do you expect but heat? See? That’s what it is. Now better? Somebody’s catching on the Back Agnya. Hmm! Gavin Brown: It’s moving. It’s moving now. Shri Mataji: Better? Much better now. Sorry I have to use my feet but they are very powerful you know. For physical problems they are better than my hands are. Poor things, they go on working morning till evening! Press it hard! Better! Still you are working with the liver patients are they? Doctor: Hmm. Shri Mataji: What do you do about them? What treatments do you give for liver patients in the hospitals? Doctor: Special drugs. Shri Mataji: What drugs? Doctor: Depends what the problem is with the liver. Shri Mataji: But still what drugs normally you use? Doctor: The main things they use are for someone who is alcoholic and they start to bleed. Shri Mataji: Alcohol? Doctor: They have alcoholic cirrhosis and they bleed and they vomit blood. Shri Mataji: Really? That serious? Doctor: So we have special drugs to help stop that. Shri Mataji: Just look at this! Despite that, nobody publishes these things. You know, the other day in a very so-called important dinner table, there was a big argument [that] was on that, in France, the pubs are open all the time, while here they open very late, so people are very unhappy that you are not sufficiently alcoholic! A big discussion is on. Let them see these photographs! Why not show them how people vomit blood and how people do these things. It would be a good idea. And the food they eat do they? Doctor: Well, there’s so many different problems we have with the liver. Say, they are alcoholic then they have intravenous therapy. Shri Mataji: They cannot eat the food? They vomit? Doctor: So they put special tubes down them to stop them vomiting, and then they give them blood because they are losing so much. (End of recording)
6/11/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=4584	The Knowledge of Self Within	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	57	Public Program, "The Knowledge of Self Within". Kingston-on-Thames (UK), 11 June 1980. Today we have gathered here to know something about ourselves. If the knowledge is from the books, or from some person who says that he knows about the self, how far will it reach us? It can only go up to mental level, and we can only understand it through our mental understanding. The mental understanding comes to us through our rationality, through our intellect, which in itself is a limited thing. So we enter into another understanding which is still very limited. For example, if I tell you that there is a self within us, in our heart, which resides, and that there is a power within us which is all the time waiting for an occasion to give you your second birth; if I tell you that, then you will only understand me mentally. This is all being said already. What is so new about it? At the most I might give it in a very modern fashion, something quite intellectual, which will make you more have mental feats to go round and round, and sit down and analyze, and reach nowhere. I say there is a power, no doubt, which is called as Kundalini, within us. So many say that, because it is written, long time back, thousands of years back. Christ has said it, that you are to be born again, that you are to be baptized, not by theological college people, but somebody like John the Baptist, who had the authority from the Divine. This power does lie dormant within you, but everybody writes differently about it. Very few really agree. This is another confusion one faces, that there is a power lying within us, and some say that it gives you electric shocks, some say you start jumping like a frog, and some say you start flying in the air. Such a confusion, while you are seekers, seekers of ages. You have been seeking. You are genuine seekers and then, while seeking, you don't know where to go, what to expect, and you jump into problems. The other day, when I went to Switzerland, one of my children, who had arranged the program, he told me, 'Mother, here people are very skeptical about Indian gurus.' I am happy about it - really very, very happy. At least they have started thinking about them. Because they have been deluded, they have been deceived and now they're disillusioned completely, and they find it impossible to believe anyone who talks of God. So the first topic that he wanted me to discuss in my stay there was de-mystification of gurus. Quite a challenging one! But this I said in 1970 in India, in 1973 in America, but nobody would like me for that. They said, 'Why should you criticize others?' Falsehood is falsehood and reality is reality. You will now know, through some of those people who are here, that how you have been misled, how you have been deceived, for money, which you cannot understand because you've gone beyond it now. You are seeking beyond money. You know that money's not going to give you joy. You know that very well. But those who have not yet known that, still they are, sort of climbing up the cusp, have not seen the ditch down below. Such people try to come up and give you some sort of a charm and receive a lot of money from you. It's a very shameful affair, I feel in myself, but that does not mean that there is no reality. If there is no reality, how can you have copies of that? If there are no flowers, how will you create plastic flowers? So, if you find somebody so unreal you must know that you have to find out the real, and when you are finding the real, you must know that you must keep yourself absolutely alert about it, that we are not going to accept anything but real. But you can be hypnotized, you can be brainwashed, because you don't know all these things. Somebody says some words in Sanskrit language, you get so enamored by that, as if Sanskrit language is something out of the blue. For example, some of the disciples who went to certain gurus got mantras, which, if you tell an Indian, he will laugh out his stomach. Like the mantra given 'ainga'. Now tell an Indian, he'll laugh. And that people have paid three hundred pounds for such a nonsense like that, which means nothing, which cannot be a mantra. And why do you need a guru for a mantra? There is a science about it. Because you do not go into the understanding of it and just jump onto it, because they want you, because they want money. Simple thing, it's an enterprise. You have given up everything for the sake of your seeking. You have seen it that the value of these material things will not take you anywhere, you have seen beyond. Your value system is different, but if the value system of some people is different from you they can exploit you. So the natural reaction, I can understand very well, should be such. But there is reality, and that it exists within you, and that there is Self within you, and, once discovered, you find your absolute. To tell you that you should become a very quiet, serene person would be absurd. To tell you that you should be such a master over your passions and your lust and your greed, that nothing should sort of dominate you, this is just giving a big lecture to you. It has no meaning. You have gripped it yourself, these things, and how will you leave it when your grip is so strong? You have to grip something else. There's a simple common sense. If you find something much more valuable, much more dynamic, much more joy-giving, establishing your sense of security, you'll give up all these nonsensical things. But see how this works out. A gentleman who came from a horrible guru to me, who was absolutely pestered and finished by that guru, he used to deliver only introductory lectures. I don't know if he's here, but, and he said, 'I used to get three hundred people for this introductory lecture, Mother, in the same hall where you were giving lectures.' What do you say to people then? Isn't it queer? He's a well-known person, who charges you money, who gives you courses, he has ruined so many people. It's like just now I was watching people going into the pub, and coming out of it all drunk, and others are attracted much more seeing them being drunk like that. Sometimes it's impossible to understand human nature. And when the reality stands before you, you crucify that. How do you explain all this? And the acceptance of reality is your glorification. Are you going to add anything to reality? Supposing I wear a diamond necklace, it is going to adorn me, and not to the diamond necklace. But this is billions and billions times brilliant than all these things which adorn us. If you accept that, you will be glorious and you will be lustrous, isn't it? Think about it. Because we are charmed by these outside things, their deceptive ways, their cunning ways, and that we are hypnotized - that's the only explanation I can give. That's how they have managed so far, and one after another this hypnosis spreads like fire. You ask me what did you find. Don't ask us, we are very happy people. After three days you find the person has committed suicide. We are not aware still that this is the most important, the most fatal and vital time in the history of human beings. The Last Judgment has started. We are facing the Last Judgment today. We are not aware of it, and all the satanic forces have come out, like the wolves in sheep's clothes. And they're trying to attract you, and you do not judge them. You only sit down and judge the reality. It has started. It's a fact. It has started. Now let us see, from God's point of view, how he's going to judge you. It is easy to say that we don't believe in God, very easy to say that 'we don't believe in this government'; but if you do anything wrong then you know there is a government acting. In the same way, it is very easy to say that we do not believe in God. He's so compassionate, He's so loving, He's so kind, that He has given us our freedom to know ourselves. And we rely on it; we take Him for granted. He has made us human beings, from amoeba to this stage; He's spread out such beautiful world around us. He's done all that, but there is a judgment which we have to face now. And the judgment that is going to come from God is not going to be the way we understand, that He sits like a magistrate, and calls you one by one, 'Come along', then you have a pleader there sitting. But, in a subtler way, He has already put the judging forces within you. See, in the evolution He has worked it out. In the evolution how beautifully He has worked it out. From amoeba to this stage that we have come, many people, I mean we can say many animals were discarded. He saved some animals, like from the mammoth families He saved elephant. He saved so many animals and so many were discarded, one by one, all these years. In the same way, human beings who have been very much on the extremes have been discarded. You see the history. Now, I mean, you won't find anyone killing his seven wives these days; I mean, impossible, you cannot do it. Person like Hitler came up, finished. Anybody who came up with any extreme ideas of domination or anything, was finished by you. Those ideas die out; people are ashamed of them, and new ideas come up into human beings accepting balance, tranquility, peace. We are talking about it: people talk about peace, but are you really wanting peace within ourselves? And, if we are really wanting it, what are we doing about it? Actually, the judgment has started, and to judge you God has already placed whole magistracy within you. All the magistrates are already sitting down there. Christ has said, 'Those who are not against Me are with Me'; these are the magistrates. And these magistrates are settled down within you on different centers in your spinal cord and in your brain. I'm sorry we don't have any map to show you the magistrates and their seats. It's very interesting, and all these seats have like a panel sitting in your brain. And when the light of Kundalini rises through these centers, when these centers are enlightened within you, you start enlightenment being manifested on your fingers. The end of your fingers get enlightened. The sensitivity of your fingers tell you what centers are there affected within you. This Kundalini rises and comes up to this point, the fontanel bone area, we can call it, or the 'taloo' as they say, the soft bone here in your childhood, and it breaks it, actually it breaks it. You can see in a person who doesn't have much hair here, the thing just going down like a little child. First it pulsates: you can see it with your own eyes. You can even see the pulsation of the Kundalini in the triangular bone, which is Sacrum. And when this Kundalini rises you can see even the movement of this Kundalini. Not in all - in some. Because, if the person is first class, or you can say if the aeroplane is first class, the landing is first class, you see, this shooting off is first class, and in such a person there's no obstruction, you do not see the Kundalini pushing in. For example, when I came to this place, there was no problem on the traffic. So, we just smoothly came away - nobody noticed us. But if there was a traffic we would be jamming here and jamming there. In the same way, when this Kundalini rises in a person who has a little problem on his centers, it shows. You can see with your naked eyes. This is what is Kundalini awakening. Not that some people say, 'We started jumping like a frog.' Now, we must use our brains. Brains have to be intact in modern times. Are we going to become frogs now, after becoming human beings? Are we going to become birds after becoming human beings? Your sciences, like psychology itself, I mean, many of them, believe that you have to jump into your unconscious, achieving your collective consciousness - very clearly it is being said, by these people. Then we must expect something of that nature where we jump into our collective consciousness. It's not that because I am saying it or anybody's saying to it, but it has to happen to you. The other day I was in Hampstead. I know what is happening with someone. Some people did get their vibrations, did get, they did feel the cool breeze coming from their hands, but some did not. And they said, 'Yes, we've got it' and they just disappeared. This is not the way you are going to treat yourself, you have to love yourself, and you have to adore your seeking, and you have to get your fulfillment. As your Mother, I must tell you this is a very serious matter. There is no guru-shopping going on here. You have to get your realization. You have to get it. It's so fortunate that the time has come when you are living, and that you can have it. Because of that you took your birth during this time, because you are seekers of very ancient times, as I told you. It is written in one of our scriptures in India, called as [SOUNDS LIKE Nalakhian or Nalah Khan?] when Nalah, one of the tortured souls, by Kali, got hold of the Kali. Now, they said, this is the rule of the Kali. Kali is the sinister fellow, is the one who brings all confusion, and confuses people. He confused Nalah; by that he was separated from his wife. So, when Nalah got hold of this Kali, he said, 'Now I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you once for all so you do not create confusion into people any more.' So Kali said, 'All right, you can kill me, I accept, but first you know my importance, [SOUNDS LIKE mahatmya] know my importance. I too have an importance.' He said, 'What importance can you have? You create confusion in the minds of people; what importance can you have?' He said, 'That when I am ruling,' means when he will be in these modern times, 'ruling' means creating confusion in our minds 'everything is become relative.' (Not sure whether "everything is become relative" is a continuation of what Kali said.) We talk like that - 'Yes, may be alright, may not be alright, may be good, may not be good.' That is a time when the confusion will be reining on this earth, that's Kali Yuga, the modern times. Those great saints, and those people, the seekers, the Sadakhas, who were searching God in the hills and dales, and in the caves, will come back as ordinary householders and they will get the reality. In this confusion only, they are going to get the vision of reality. They are going to become the reality; they are going to get their self-realization. And Kali forgot all his vindictiveness, and his anger and what he had done to him. He said, 'On this point I forgive, because I respect them so much. For that collective good I give up all my personal problems. Let this happen, that only in Kali Yuga the son of Satya Yuga, the world of truth, the Age of Enlightenment, is going to come.' And those saints who were seeking the reality in the forest are born today in this world. You can see them. They are saintly; they can see the joke of the artificial life so clearly. They know it's all absurd, but then they don't know what is the real. But the time has come, and it has to be worked out, and it will be worked out. It has worked out in your great country. Now, I would say at least thousand people are there, very much in it, we can say, who have understood it. There must be about at least three hundred people who are actively working it out at different places. And I'm very happy to come to this old city of Kingston, where the stone for the enthroning of the king was put - must be something special about this place. But people have lost their sensitivity to reality, everywhere; not only in this country, much more in India, you'll be surprised, they are all getting sophisticated. They are getting 'developed'. They do not know what you have found by your development, and, anybody tells them, they think that, 'Oh you are - just want to enjoy all that fruit of development and you are just telling us lies.' So it is very necessary for you to understand, for definite purposes, that the Judgment has started, and for that, Kundalini is placed within you. But She is a great judge, I must say. You will never find such a judge anywhere in the whole universe, because She's your own mother, and She's (Nirwajan?) She's just giving. She doesn't want anything from you, nothing whatsoever; She wants that you must get your property. You must get your Self. You must get all your powers. She doesn't want anything from you; that you should know yourself, that you should become your Absolute, that's what She wants. She is your mother, born again and again with you. She has recorded all the problems you have created for yourself, for Her ascent, She knows everything about you, and She judges you on this point - how much you are sincerely wishing your ascent. That's all. She knows you out and out. When She rises, She shows those symptoms; She shows what's wrong with you. But She's your own, absolutely. There's no-one greater your own than She is. She is your friend, and She judges you because you must get the best, because She knows what is the best. For a child may like to put his hands into the socket, but the mother says, 'No, don't do it.' But the child doesn't listen; he gets angry. Still she says, 'No, you cannot do it.' She puts the hand aside because She loves you, loves in the purest form, where you do not expect anything from another person. And such a power lies dormant within you, which is just waiting for an occasion, that, when She rises, when She sprouts like the germinating power in a seed, when She comes up, then there should be someone who should look after you. There should be someone who should guide. There should be someone who should decode and tell you that what you feel in your fingers means this, what you are happening, what is happening to you, means that. Otherwise you will not know your moorings, you will not know where you are going, and you can fall into a trap of ignorance, or maybe, you may be still there not knowing much. So She wants to use somebody as the mouthpiece for Her. It is necessary. The Unconscious has to speak to you through someone, and that someone has to be a person of the same nature as the Kundalini is. Those who make money from you and exploit you, and leave you in the lurch, how can they be called as 'gurus'? They are the thieves standing outside the door, and they're just waiting for an opportunity to catch hold of you, because they are already being judged, discarded, and they are going to the jail and they want more people to be there with them. This Kundalini, when She rises, She first soothes you physically, really She soothes you physically, that's how, as, you can say, a by-product you get your health. For example, cancer cannot be cured without Kundalini awakening. This I've been saying. When the doctors get the cancer they come to Me and they get cured. But I'm not sitting down here to cure cancer patients at all. Nor any Sahaj Yogis interested in cancer patients as it is, but if you want to have your realization, your cancer will be cured. Your troubles will be cured, your health will be all right. I mean, those who have got realization who are sitting here, have been all, most of them, suffering something, physically or mentally. Some of them were even epileptic, and had very bad physical problems. There were some who had blood cancers, some of them had other type of physical problems. With all these things, you are faced with the Divine Love of God: His desire. Kundalini is the representative of His Desire. Desire of the ocean of compassion and love, that He wants to bestow His Kingdom upon you, that He wants to make you the prince of His Kingdom. This is a very, very serious thing and we have to concentrate upon this point: that the judgment has to be done and there is a power within us which is going to judge us. Now this power is the desire of God, of that God who is almighty, who has given us our freedom. He's not going to challenge it. His might, His strength and His powers are not going to stand against our freedom. But His desire is within you, existing on the Kundalini, and this desire rises within you. It enlightens you, but it doesn't force you; it doesn't take away your freedom. It enlightens you to see. You have freedom to be in this room. It is not forced that you sit here or there, or walk this way or that way - nothing is forced on you. But you are given a room (?) which is enlightened, so you use your freedom in a better way, with more understanding. Because you are enlightened you can see, then you know what to accept, what not to accept. First thing is to enlighten you. Unless and until you are enlightenend you are in confusion and you cannot see through. Then it is left to your freedom to decide. So, She cures you. She cures you; She improves you; She bestows all the blissful things upon you; She takes you away from the worries of grosser level, like after realization many people have solved their material problems, not that they have become Mr. Ford or someone like that, but the attitude changes and the material problems get solved. Yes, because there is a centre for that also within us. Your family problems get solved; husband, wife's problem gets solved; so that you are freed. Your grip over these things, that worries you, is released, and that now you can see it with greater freedom, for yourself, what you have to choose, and what course you have to take in your life. After giving all these concessions and all these advantages and all the possible help, then you are judged. Can you think of any magistrate that generous? And such a thing exists within us. We have to be very thankful to God for what He's done for us. We have no idea. We have taken Him for granted; for everything that is within us we have taken Him for granted. We have not been able to thank Him for what He has done for us. And how kind He has been to us! For a small thing we try to get rid of Him from our hearts. Still He exists. The Kundalini exists within us. You try anything against it, She exists. I have seen some people having Kundalini which has been beaten up; there has been horrible marks of pain and anguish, and She's just turning Her sides in anguish. But still She exists for that moment where She will give you what She's there for. What a blessing! Where can you find all this? Is all within you, which has to work out. But when they get it, also, realization, I find people just disappear. Even after realization - can you imagine? The progress in the West has been like that; you move three steps forward and four steps backwards. Really, you will be amazed at people. I don't know what's gone wrong with the Western mind, which is so disillusioned about material gains. When it comes to Sahaja Yoga, their caliber is just of the lowest type sometimes. You cannot understand how can these people have no self-esteem, when in villages in India people just get it (She snaps Her fingers) and they are just there. There's no rambling (?) nothing, they are just there. The complications are there, I agree, but you must have self-esteem. It is sometimes, sometimes, really, makes you feel sick. Perhaps you do not know that in this country I have worked for four years on seven or eight people. Four years - can you believe it?! Not that, there is something wrong with you, you are seekers, you are saints born in this country. But what has happened to your saintliness? Why so flippant, why so superficial? Why don't you touch it deeply, why don't you understand yourself? I just fail to understand this. Why don't you respect yourself? I respect you and I love you very much because I know you, I know you for ages. You are the lost children, I know that, but I don't know how to establish that within you. And sometimes my condition is the same as that of your Kundalini, I can tell you. You have to be in a great haste to get it. You have to become absolutely dynamic and blow it out and talk to people and tell them that this is the situation, an emergency. Can't you see what's happening in the world? Can't you see the confusion? But the situation is taken for granted, or, if it is even faced, it is faced in a very intellectual way, that you feel guilty about, say, Vietnam. Very good idea! Sit down here, easy chair politicians, thinking about Vietnam. All finely done(?) whole thing. You are the chosen ones who have to receive it and who have to have it. But to take reality you will think a hundred times and to get into a dirty filthy circus, it just clicks. Whom should I blame for this, these horrible gurus or these horrible people who have put up a show for you? Or it is your naïve attitude toward spirituality? I shudder to see the way things are sometimes, and the way people are taking for granted all these things. It is your responsibility today, the ones who are supposed to be the seekers, to see that you bring forth the reality to the people and tell them that please see it and get it, because you are their fellow men, they are your kith and kin. How can you leave them even if you get your realization; and even if you enter into the Kingdom of Heaven you will not forget them, you will think of them. You cannot be happy with your realization also, unless and until all yours, all those saints, who out of ignorance are lost, you'll think of. I have to work out through you. I cannot work it out alone. If I could, there would have been no difficulty. If God could work out just like this - give them realization, finished, establishment all right - it will not, because you have the freedom. Why do you have the freedom? Because without your freedom you cannot come to that caliber by which you are raised. We do not realize it, where are we today, we do not realize it. Sometimes I feel I am talking to walls. For example, you will find that some people are slaves of watches. They have no time for ...'We have no time' - very busy people. Why are you saving time? Why this idea has come to you - our forefathers never did that. Why are you so much saving time, for what? You are saving time for the becoming, not for wasting it in the pubs or in the horrible places like races and all these things, not for that. You are saving time for becoming, because you are a diamond. You have to be chiseled out; you have to chisel out yourself. You are not saving it to waste it. I mean, the best advertisement will be 'Save fifty pounds to spend three thousand.' Something like that. You are saving your time not to waste it. Saving it for something extremely precious, extremely vital and important, something that you have been seeking, but I do not know how sometimes to keep you on that level of depth. Of course, some of, some of the people are of such high caliber in this country, that even they are very satisfying. You do not know how much has been done in this country, also by God. For example, I went to see Stonehenge. Stonehenge is the creation of the Mother Earth. You can see the vibrations. You can feel it. There are so many things done in this country. Kingston itself is so vibrating, I was amazed. And what do you find? At least hundred people went into that college and some came in here walking, going up and down, some walked in, some get out. They were deciding still. No still proximity to sensitivity, no sensitivity towards the reality. They cannot feel it. Maybe, maybe, it will work out. I'm sure it will. I'm the most optimistic person you can ever see. Really, optimism is My nature, I believe. It is going to work out. Only thing, your so-called 'freedom' comes in the way, so try to understand that this freedom is given to you so that you can become your self. Not that you should become an animal. An animal - what's the use of giving realization to a chicken? Can I give also another point? Many people say, 'Mother, I've done lots of good things.' I said, 'What good things you have done?' 'I don't eat chicken.' I said, 'Now, why are you saving chickens for Me? You'd better save yourself.' All sorts of funny ideas they have. It is you, the seekers, the buds on this beautiful tree of life, they are the ones for whom this creation is created. They are the ones who have to get it. They are the ones who have to have it. The whole universe has blossomed into them, and they want to become what? Worms? Just think about it. Just think about it - by God's grace we'll start the program of realization which will take even a split of a second - might have already worked out in you, because today I was a little trying too much, I think. Kingston is a good place. Maybe one day it will become a very great place, I feel, that's why I told Felicity that 'Felicitations for this - is a good thing that you are in Kingston.' But let's see how much you use what power is flowing in the area. I hope something will work out. Now, after realization, you have to take it up seriously. You have to work it out, because after finding it, also, it is not that you suddenly jump onto the sun, or turn to the moon; even going to the moon, what did you get? You couldn't understand anything. So you have to go into all the areas of your being, because the movement will start inside. You have to take your attention to all the areas within you. You have to settle down your attention, and now the attention will lose the grip over nonsensical things, all the priorities will change. The greatest thing is that Kundalini, when she pierces the Sahasrara, the joy starts pouring in, and you start feeling that cool breeze coming from your hand, the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, and you start feeling it everywhere, and you can find out. Now you can judge others and yourself, and you can help others. Automatically - you don't have to go anywhere for that, you don't have to have medicine, you don't have to have anything, just you being there. You help others in their salvation, as if the whole mechanism starts working, the whole technique starts acting like a television set you put in, you start seeing the whole thing. Just you are amazed at yourself. But you have to know the engineering, and you have to know how to work it out, on yourself and others. It's great fun! We are all in a great fun mood and you should also join us. It's wonderful! No time for miseries, only thing one feels that why these people are doing like this, you see, like grownups, the mature people look at little children, 'Oh why are they putting their hands into the fire?' and this and that. May God bless you all. Could I request you to put your hands towards Me in this way? Just like that, please, and please take out your shoes, also, because the Mother Earth, you see, sucks in our problems, very much, very nicely. What's this supposed to be? Aaaah! So thoughtful of you! Even when they are dry they are fragrant - see? This should be - even when a realized soul dies, he is fragrant. You can make him out. So many saints who have died, you can make it out he was a saint, because you do get those vibrations. Even from stones you can get vibrations, then what about human beings? Can you ... You have come for the first time? [INAUDIBLE ... ] When did you come? Mmm, may God bless you. How are you? That's right, much better, much better. How are you? Can you close your eyes and put your hands like this? Just like that. It will work out in no time. Just like that, and close your eyes. You'll be amazed to see that you have already not got any thoughts within you. There won't be any thoughts coming to you; just watch your thoughts. Because your Kundalini has risen, if it has crossed this point in your brain, between the pituitary and the pineal body, you will be thoughtless. Good. Ah! It's very good ... what's the matter? Mh-hm. All right? Good. Sit down now. You're all right. It disappears for a while because you think about it. All right? You've got it back? All right, may God bless you. You don't think about it. Just be there - you didn't get it by thinking, so why think about it? Just let it - now it's all right? Started, please close your eyes, please close your eyes. She was realized and she lost again. Close your eyes. Are you feeling the cool breeze in your hand? Not yet? Close your eyes, please, close. Eyes must be closed. Don't say that 'I've got it' when you haven't got it - is a wrong thing. Do not deceive yourself. Put both the hands on the ... properly, both the feet properly on the ground. It's all right. You are nice. Are you happy? (laughing) Now you have more people today, isn't it, Felicity? Hmmm (clicks fingers). It's good. Please try to keep your eyes shut. If you get flickering of the eyelids, then you can open, but if you can close them, then it's all right, it's nothing wrong. Just wait - you will get it in no time. (comments aside to Felicity) Hmm! What do you think, G? Right side? Yes. Please keep your eyes shut. Your attention will be attracted inside by itself. Keep the attention absolutely loose. Just keep it loose, it will be by itself, because the happening takes place. It's an effortless thing. Do not put in any effort, it just happens. It's all living, all living things happen effortlessly. Now, whatever I have said, you should not feel guilty about it, for heaven's sake. Just keep your eyes shut, that's all. (Comments aside to Felicity or G) Are you getting the cool breeze in your hand? Are you getting any cool breeze in the hand? Not yet. Please keep your eyes shut, and please put your feet down on the ground, and do not cross them, on both the sides; yes, that's a better idea. Now please keep your eyes shut. (Mother rubs Her hands together vigorously.) The experience is so clear-cut that you are not going to doubt it, so you just wait for the experience. Better, mmm. G, done. Ha! (Mother snaps Her fingers). First thing is that we must forgive others, we must forgive others because it's a myth that is working on us. We must forgive others, that is very important, is to forgive others. Just say, within our hearts, that we forgive all those who might have harmed us, because you are just torturing yourself for others' sake. You are not torturing them by remembering it, so best thing is to forgive others.	null	null	null	Public Program, "The Knowledge of Self Within". Kingston-on-Thames (UK), 11 June 1980. Today we have gathered here to know something about ourselves. If the knowledge is from the books, or from some person who says that he knows about the self, how far will it reach us? It can only go up to mental level, and we can only understand it through our mental understanding. The mental understanding comes to us through our rationality, through our intellect, which in itself is a limited thing. So we enter into another understanding which is still very limited. For example, if I tell you that there is a self within us, in our heart, which resides, and that there is a power within us which is all the time waiting for an occasion to give you your second birth; if I tell you that, then you will only understand me mentally. This is all being said already. What is so new about it? At the most I might give it in a very modern fashion, something quite intellectual, which will make you more have mental feats to go round and round, and sit down and analyze, and reach nowhere. I say there is a power, no doubt, which is called as Kundalini, within us. So many say that, because it is written, long time back, thousands of years back. Christ has said it, that you are to be born again, that you are to be baptized, not by theological college people, but somebody like John the Baptist, who had the authority from the Divine. This power does lie dormant within you, but everybody writes differently about it. Very few really agree. This is another confusion one faces, that there is a power lying within us, and some say that it gives you electric shocks, some say you start jumping like a frog, and some say you start flying in the air. Such a confusion, while you are seekers, seekers of ages. You have been seeking. You are genuine seekers and then, while seeking, you don't know where to go, what to expect, and you jump into problems. The other day, when I went to Switzerland, one of my children, who had arranged the program, he told me, 'Mother, here people are very skeptical about Indian gurus.' I am happy about it - really very, very happy. At least they have started thinking about them. Because they have been deluded, they have been deceived and now they're disillusioned completely, and they find it impossible to believe anyone who talks of God. So the first topic that he wanted me to discuss in my stay there was de-mystification of gurus. Quite a challenging one! But this I said in 1970 in India, in 1973 in America, but nobody would like me for that. They said, 'Why should you criticize others?' Falsehood is falsehood and reality is reality. You will now know, through some of those people who are here, that how you have been misled, how you have been deceived, for money, which you cannot understand because you've gone beyond it now. You are seeking beyond money. You know that money's not going to give you joy. You know that very well. But those who have not yet known that, still they are, sort of climbing up the cusp, have not seen the ditch down below. Such people try to come up and give you some sort of a charm and receive a lot of money from you. It's a very shameful affair, I feel in myself, but that does not mean that there is no reality. If there is no reality, how can you have copies of that? If there are no flowers, how will you create plastic flowers? So, if you find somebody so unreal you must know that you have to find out the real, and when you are finding the real, you must know that you must keep yourself absolutely alert about it, that we are not going to accept anything but real. But you can be hypnotized, you can be brainwashed, because you don't know all these things. Somebody says some words in Sanskrit language, you get so enamored by that, as if Sanskrit language is something out of the blue. For example, some of the disciples who went to certain gurus got mantras, which, if you tell an Indian, he will laugh out his stomach. Like the mantra given 'ainga'. Now tell an Indian, he'll laugh. And that people have paid three hundred pounds for such a nonsense like that, which means nothing, which cannot be a mantra. And why do you need a guru for a mantra? There is a science about it. Because you do not go into the understanding of it and just jump onto it, because they want you, because they want money. Simple thing, it's an enterprise. You have given up everything for the sake of your seeking. You have seen it that the value of these material things will not take you anywhere, you have seen beyond. Your value system is different, but if the value system of some people is different from you they can exploit you. So the natural reaction, I can understand very well, should be such. But there is reality, and that it exists within you, and that there is Self within you, and, once discovered, you find your absolute. To tell you that you should become a very quiet, serene person would be absurd. To tell you that you should be such a master over your passions and your lust and your greed, that nothing should sort of dominate you, this is just giving a big lecture to you. It has no meaning. You have gripped it yourself, these things, and how will you leave it when your grip is so strong? You have to grip something else. There's a simple common sense. If you find something much more valuable, much more dynamic, much more joy-giving, establishing your sense of security, you'll give up all these nonsensical things. But see how this works out. A gentleman who came from a horrible guru to me, who was absolutely pestered and finished by that guru, he used to deliver only introductory lectures. I don't know if he's here, but, and he said, 'I used to get three hundred people for this introductory lecture, Mother, in the same hall where you were giving lectures.' What do you say to people then? Isn't it queer? He's a well-known person, who charges you money, who gives you courses, he has ruined so many people. It's like just now I was watching people going into the pub, and coming out of it all drunk, and others are attracted much more seeing them being drunk like that. Sometimes it's impossible to understand human nature. And when the reality stands before you, you crucify that. How do you explain all this? And the acceptance of reality is your glorification. Are you going to add anything to reality? Supposing I wear a diamond necklace, it is going to adorn me, and not to the diamond necklace. But this is billions and billions times brilliant than all these things which adorn us. If you accept that, you will be glorious and you will be lustrous, isn't it? Think about it. Because we are charmed by these outside things, their deceptive ways, their cunning ways, and that we are hypnotized - that's the only explanation I can give. That's how they have managed so far, and one after another this hypnosis spreads like fire. You ask me what did you find. Don't ask us, we are very happy people. After three days you find the person has committed suicide. We are not aware still that this is the most important, the most fatal and vital time in the history of human beings. The Last Judgment has started. We are facing the Last Judgment today. We are not aware of it, and all the satanic forces have come out, like the wolves in sheep's clothes. And they're trying to attract you, and you do not judge them. You only sit down and judge the reality. It has started. It's a fact. It has started. Now let us see, from God's point of view, how he's going to judge you. It is easy to say that we don't believe in God, very easy to say that 'we don't believe in this government'; but if you do anything wrong then you know there is a government acting. In the same way, it is very easy to say that we do not believe in God. He's so compassionate, He's so loving, He's so kind, that He has given us our freedom to know ourselves. And we rely on it; we take Him for granted. He has made us human beings, from amoeba to this stage; He's spread out such beautiful world around us. He's done all that, but there is a judgment which we have to face now. And the judgment that is going to come from God is not going to be the way we understand, that He sits like a magistrate, and calls you one by one, 'Come along', then you have a pleader there sitting. But, in a subtler way, He has already put the judging forces within you. See, in the evolution He has worked it out. In the evolution how beautifully He has worked it out. From amoeba to this stage that we have come, many people, I mean we can say many animals were discarded. He saved some animals, like from the mammoth families He saved elephant. He saved so many animals and so many were discarded, one by one, all these years. In the same way, human beings who have been very much on the extremes have been discarded. You see the history. Now, I mean, you won't find anyone killing his seven wives these days; I mean, impossible, you cannot do it. Person like Hitler came up, finished. Anybody who came up with any extreme ideas of domination or anything, was finished by you. Those ideas die out; people are ashamed of them, and new ideas come up into human beings accepting balance, tranquility, peace. We are talking about it: people talk about peace, but are you really wanting peace within ourselves? And, if we are really wanting it, what are we doing about it? Actually, the judgment has started, and to judge you God has already placed whole magistracy within you. All the magistrates are already sitting down there. Christ has said, 'Those who are not against Me are with Me'; these are the magistrates. And these magistrates are settled down within you on different centers in your spinal cord and in your brain. I'm sorry we don't have any map to show you the magistrates and their seats. It's very interesting, and all these seats have like a panel sitting in your brain. And when the light of Kundalini rises through these centers, when these centers are enlightened within you, you start enlightenment being manifested on your fingers. The end of your fingers get enlightened. The sensitivity of your fingers tell you what centers are there affected within you. This Kundalini rises and comes up to this point, the fontanel bone area, we can call it, or the 'taloo' as they say, the soft bone here in your childhood, and it breaks it, actually it breaks it. You can see in a person who doesn't have much hair here, the thing just going down like a little child. First it pulsates: you can see it with your own eyes. You can even see the pulsation of the Kundalini in the triangular bone, which is Sacrum. And when this Kundalini rises you can see even the movement of this Kundalini. Not in all - in some. Because, if the person is first class, or you can say if the aeroplane is first class, the landing is first class, you see, this shooting off is first class, and in such a person there's no obstruction, you do not see the Kundalini pushing in. For example, when I came to this place, there was no problem on the traffic. So, we just smoothly came away - nobody noticed us. But if there was a traffic we would be jamming here and jamming there. In the same way, when this Kundalini rises in a person who has a little problem on his centers, it shows. You can see with your naked eyes. This is what is Kundalini awakening. Not that some people say, 'We started jumping like a frog.' Now, we must use our brains. Brains have to be intact in modern times. Are we going to become frogs now, after becoming human beings? Are we going to become birds after becoming human beings? Your sciences, like psychology itself, I mean, many of them, believe that you have to jump into your unconscious, achieving your collective consciousness - very clearly it is being said, by these people. Then we must expect something of that nature where we jump into our collective consciousness. It's not that because I am saying it or anybody's saying to it, but it has to happen to you. The other day I was in Hampstead. I know what is happening with someone. Some people did get their vibrations, did get, they did feel the cool breeze coming from their hands, but some did not. And they said, 'Yes, we've got it' and they just disappeared. This is not the way you are going to treat yourself, you have to love yourself, and you have to adore your seeking, and you have to get your fulfillment. As your Mother, I must tell you this is a very serious matter. There is no guru-shopping going on here. You have to get your realization. You have to get it. It's so fortunate that the time has come when you are living, and that you can have it. Because of that you took your birth during this time, because you are seekers of very ancient times, as I told you. It is written in one of our scriptures in India, called as [SOUNDS LIKE Nalakhian or Nalah Khan?] when Nalah, one of the tortured souls, by Kali, got hold of the Kali. Now, they said, this is the rule of the Kali. Kali is the sinister fellow, is the one who brings all confusion, and confuses people. He confused Nalah; by that he was separated from his wife. So, when Nalah got hold of this Kali, he said, 'Now I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you once for all so you do not create confusion into people any more.' So Kali said, 'All right, you can kill me, I accept, but first you know my importance, [SOUNDS LIKE mahatmya] know my importance. I too have an importance.' He said, 'What importance can you have? You create confusion in the minds of people; what importance can you have?' He said, 'That when I am ruling,' means when he will be in these modern times, 'ruling' means creating confusion in our minds 'everything is become relative.' (Not sure whether "everything is become relative" is a continuation of what Kali said.) We talk like that - 'Yes, may be alright, may not be alright, may be good, may not be good.' That is a time when the confusion will be reining on this earth, that's Kali Yuga, the modern times. Those great saints, and those people, the seekers, the Sadakhas, who were searching God in the hills and dales, and in the caves, will come back as ordinary householders and they will get the reality. In this confusion only, they are going to get the vision of reality. They are going to become the reality; they are going to get their self-realization. And Kali forgot all his vindictiveness, and his anger and what he had done to him. He said, 'On this point I forgive, because I respect them so much. For that collective good I give up all my personal problems. Let this happen, that only in Kali Yuga the son of Satya Yuga, the world of truth, the Age of Enlightenment, is going to come.' And those saints who were seeking the reality in the forest are born today in this world. You can see them. They are saintly; they can see the joke of the artificial life so clearly. They know it's all absurd, but then they don't know what is the real. But the time has come, and it has to be worked out, and it will be worked out. It has worked out in your great country. Now, I would say at least thousand people are there, very much in it, we can say, who have understood it. There must be about at least three hundred people who are actively working it out at different places. And I'm very happy to come to this old city of Kingston, where the stone for the enthroning of the king was put - must be something special about this place. But people have lost their sensitivity to reality, everywhere; not only in this country, much more in India, you'll be surprised, they are all getting sophisticated. They are getting 'developed'. They do not know what you have found by your development, and, anybody tells them, they think that, 'Oh you are - just want to enjoy all that fruit of development and you are just telling us lies.' So it is very necessary for you to understand, for definite purposes, that the Judgment has started, and for that, Kundalini is placed within you. But She is a great judge, I must say. You will never find such a judge anywhere in the whole universe, because She's your own mother, and She's (Nirwajan?) She's just giving. She doesn't want anything from you, nothing whatsoever; She wants that you must get your property. You must get your Self. You must get all your powers. She doesn't want anything from you; that you should know yourself, that you should become your Absolute, that's what She wants. She is your mother, born again and again with you. She has recorded all the problems you have created for yourself, for Her ascent, She knows everything about you, and She judges you on this point - how much you are sincerely wishing your ascent. That's all. She knows you out and out. When She rises, She shows those symptoms; She shows what's wrong with you. But She's your own, absolutely. There's no-one greater your own than She is. She is your friend, and She judges you because you must get the best, because She knows what is the best. For a child may like to put his hands into the socket, but the mother says, 'No, don't do it.' But the child doesn't listen; he gets angry. Still she says, 'No, you cannot do it.' She puts the hand aside because She loves you, loves in the purest form, where you do not expect anything from another person. And such a power lies dormant within you, which is just waiting for an occasion, that, when She rises, when She sprouts like the germinating power in a seed, when She comes up, then there should be someone who should look after you. There should be someone who should guide. There should be someone who should decode and tell you that what you feel in your fingers means this, what you are happening, what is happening to you, means that. Otherwise you will not know your moorings, you will not know where you are going, and you can fall into a trap of ignorance, or maybe, you may be still there not knowing much. So She wants to use somebody as the mouthpiece for Her. It is necessary. The Unconscious has to speak to you through someone, and that someone has to be a person of the same nature as the Kundalini is. Those who make money from you and exploit you, and leave you in the lurch, how can they be called as 'gurus'? They are the thieves standing outside the door, and they're just waiting for an opportunity to catch hold of you, because they are already being judged, discarded, and they are going to the jail and they want more people to be there with them. This Kundalini, when She rises, She first soothes you physically, really She soothes you physically, that's how, as, you can say, a by-product you get your health. For example, cancer cannot be cured without Kundalini awakening. This I've been saying. When the doctors get the cancer they come to Me and they get cured. But I'm not sitting down here to cure cancer patients at all. Nor any Sahaj Yogis interested in cancer patients as it is, but if you want to have your realization, your cancer will be cured. Your troubles will be cured, your health will be all right. I mean, those who have got realization who are sitting here, have been all, most of them, suffering something, physically or mentally. Some of them were even epileptic, and had very bad physical problems. There were some who had blood cancers, some of them had other type of physical problems. With all these things, you are faced with the Divine Love of God: His desire. Kundalini is the representative of His Desire. Desire of the ocean of compassion and love, that He wants to bestow His Kingdom upon you, that He wants to make you the prince of His Kingdom. This is a very, very serious thing and we have to concentrate upon this point: that the judgment has to be done and there is a power within us which is going to judge us. Now this power is the desire of God, of that God who is almighty, who has given us our freedom. He's not going to challenge it. His might, His strength and His powers are not going to stand against our freedom. But His desire is within you, existing on the Kundalini, and this desire rises within you. It enlightens you, but it doesn't force you; it doesn't take away your freedom. It enlightens you to see. You have freedom to be in this room. It is not forced that you sit here or there, or walk this way or that way - nothing is forced on you. But you are given a room (?) which is enlightened, so you use your freedom in a better way, with more understanding. Because you are enlightened you can see, then you know what to accept, what not to accept. First thing is to enlighten you. Unless and until you are enlightenend you are in confusion and you cannot see through. Then it is left to your freedom to decide. So, She cures you. She cures you; She improves you; She bestows all the blissful things upon you; She takes you away from the worries of grosser level, like after realization many people have solved their material problems, not that they have become Mr. Ford or someone like that, but the attitude changes and the material problems get solved. Yes, because there is a centre for that also within us. Your family problems get solved; husband, wife's problem gets solved; so that you are freed. Your grip over these things, that worries you, is released, and that now you can see it with greater freedom, for yourself, what you have to choose, and what course you have to take in your life. After giving all these concessions and all these advantages and all the possible help, then you are judged. Can you think of any magistrate that generous? And such a thing exists within us. We have to be very thankful to God for what He's done for us. We have no idea. We have taken Him for granted; for everything that is within us we have taken Him for granted. We have not been able to thank Him for what He has done for us. And how kind He has been to us! For a small thing we try to get rid of Him from our hearts. Still He exists. The Kundalini exists within us. You try anything against it, She exists. I have seen some people having Kundalini which has been beaten up; there has been horrible marks of pain and anguish, and She's just turning Her sides in anguish. But still She exists for that moment where She will give you what She's there for. What a blessing! Where can you find all this? Is all within you, which has to work out. But when they get it, also, realization, I find people just disappear. Even after realization - can you imagine? The progress in the West has been like that; you move three steps forward and four steps backwards. Really, you will be amazed at people. I don't know what's gone wrong with the Western mind, which is so disillusioned about material gains. When it comes to Sahaja Yoga, their caliber is just of the lowest type sometimes. You cannot understand how can these people have no self-esteem, when in villages in India people just get it (She snaps Her fingers) and they are just there. There's no rambling (?) nothing, they are just there. The complications are there, I agree, but you must have self-esteem. It is sometimes, sometimes, really, makes you feel sick. Perhaps you do not know that in this country I have worked for four years on seven or eight people. Four years - can you believe it?! Not that, there is something wrong with you, you are seekers, you are saints born in this country. But what has happened to your saintliness? Why so flippant, why so superficial? Why don't you touch it deeply, why don't you understand yourself? I just fail to understand this. Why don't you respect yourself? I respect you and I love you very much because I know you, I know you for ages. You are the lost children, I know that, but I don't know how to establish that within you. And sometimes my condition is the same as that of your Kundalini, I can tell you. You have to be in a great haste to get it. You have to become absolutely dynamic and blow it out and talk to people and tell them that this is the situation, an emergency. Can't you see what's happening in the world? Can't you see the confusion? But the situation is taken for granted, or, if it is even faced, it is faced in a very intellectual way, that you feel guilty about, say, Vietnam. Very good idea! Sit down here, easy chair politicians, thinking about Vietnam. All finely done(?) whole thing. You are the chosen ones who have to receive it and who have to have it. But to take reality you will think a hundred times and to get into a dirty filthy circus, it just clicks. Whom should I blame for this, these horrible gurus or these horrible people who have put up a show for you? Or it is your naïve attitude toward spirituality? I shudder to see the way things are sometimes, and the way people are taking for granted all these things. It is your responsibility today, the ones who are supposed to be the seekers, to see that you bring forth the reality to the people and tell them that please see it and get it, because you are their fellow men, they are your kith and kin. How can you leave them even if you get your realization; and even if you enter into the Kingdom of Heaven you will not forget them, you will think of them. You cannot be happy with your realization also, unless and until all yours, all those saints, who out of ignorance are lost, you'll think of. I have to work out through you. I cannot work it out alone. If I could, there would have been no difficulty. If God could work out just like this - give them realization, finished, establishment all right - it will not, because you have the freedom. Why do you have the freedom? Because without your freedom you cannot come to that caliber by which you are raised. We do not realize it, where are we today, we do not realize it. Sometimes I feel I am talking to walls. For example, you will find that some people are slaves of watches. They have no time for ...'We have no time' - very busy people. Why are you saving time? Why this idea has come to you - our forefathers never did that. Why are you so much saving time, for what? You are saving time for the becoming, not for wasting it in the pubs or in the horrible places like races and all these things, not for that. You are saving time for becoming, because you are a diamond. You have to be chiseled out; you have to chisel out yourself. You are not saving it to waste it. I mean, the best advertisement will be 'Save fifty pounds to spend three thousand.' Something like that. You are saving your time not to waste it. Saving it for something extremely precious, extremely vital and important, something that you have been seeking, but I do not know how sometimes to keep you on that level of depth. Of course, some of, some of the people are of such high caliber in this country, that even they are very satisfying. You do not know how much has been done in this country, also by God. For example, I went to see Stonehenge. Stonehenge is the creation of the Mother Earth. You can see the vibrations. You can feel it. There are so many things done in this country. Kingston itself is so vibrating, I was amazed. And what do you find? At least hundred people went into that college and some came in here walking, going up and down, some walked in, some get out. They were deciding still. No still proximity to sensitivity, no sensitivity towards the reality. They cannot feel it. Maybe, maybe, it will work out. I'm sure it will. I'm the most optimistic person you can ever see. Really, optimism is My nature, I believe. It is going to work out. Only thing, your so-called 'freedom' comes in the way, so try to understand that this freedom is given to you so that you can become your self. Not that you should become an animal. An animal - what's the use of giving realization to a chicken? Can I give also another point? Many people say, 'Mother, I've done lots of good things.' I said, 'What good things you have done?' 'I don't eat chicken.' I said, 'Now, why are you saving chickens for Me? You'd better save yourself.' All sorts of funny ideas they have. It is you, the seekers, the buds on this beautiful tree of life, they are the ones for whom this creation is created. They are the ones who have to get it. They are the ones who have to have it. The whole universe has blossomed into them, and they want to become what? Worms? Just think about it. Just think about it - by God's grace we'll start the program of realization which will take even a split of a second - might have already worked out in you, because today I was a little trying too much, I think. Kingston is a good place. Maybe one day it will become a very great place, I feel, that's why I told Felicity that 'Felicitations for this - is a good thing that you are in Kingston.' But let's see how much you use what power is flowing in the area. I hope something will work out. Now, after realization, you have to take it up seriously. You have to work it out, because after finding it, also, it is not that you suddenly jump onto the sun, or turn to the moon; even going to the moon, what did you get? You couldn't understand anything. So you have to go into all the areas of your being, because the movement will start inside. You have to take your attention to all the areas within you. You have to settle down your attention, and now the attention will lose the grip over nonsensical things, all the priorities will change. The greatest thing is that Kundalini, when she pierces the Sahasrara, the joy starts pouring in, and you start feeling that cool breeze coming from your hand, the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, and you start feeling it everywhere, and you can find out. Now you can judge others and yourself, and you can help others. Automatically - you don't have to go anywhere for that, you don't have to have medicine, you don't have to have anything, just you being there. You help others in their salvation, as if the whole mechanism starts working, the whole technique starts acting like a television set you put in, you start seeing the whole thing. Just you are amazed at yourself. But you have to know the engineering, and you have to know how to work it out, on yourself and others. It's great fun! We are all in a great fun mood and you should also join us. It's wonderful! No time for miseries, only thing one feels that why these people are doing like this, you see, like grownups, the mature people look at little children, 'Oh why are they putting their hands into the fire?' and this and that. May God bless you all. Could I request you to put your hands towards Me in this way? Just like that, please, and please take out your shoes, also, because the Mother Earth, you see, sucks in our problems, very much, very nicely. What's this supposed to be? Aaaah! So thoughtful of you! Even when they are dry they are fragrant - see? This should be - even when a realized soul dies, he is fragrant. You can make him out. So many saints who have died, you can make it out he was a saint, because you do get those vibrations. Even from stones you can get vibrations, then what about human beings? Can you ... You have come for the first time? [INAUDIBLE ... ] When did you come? Mmm, may God bless you. How are you? That's right, much better, much better. How are you? Can you close your eyes and put your hands like this? Just like that. It will work out in no time. Just like that, and close your eyes. You'll be amazed to see that you have already not got any thoughts within you. There won't be any thoughts coming to you; just watch your thoughts. Because your Kundalini has risen, if it has crossed this point in your brain, between the pituitary and the pineal body, you will be thoughtless. Good. Ah! It's very good ... what's the matter? Mh-hm. All right? Good. Sit down now. You're all right. It disappears for a while because you think about it. All right? You've got it back? All right, may God bless you. You don't think about it. Just be there - you didn't get it by thinking, so why think about it? Just let it - now it's all right? Started, please close your eyes, please close your eyes. She was realized and she lost again. Close your eyes. Are you feeling the cool breeze in your hand? Not yet? Close your eyes, please, close. Eyes must be closed. Don't say that 'I've got it' when you haven't got it - is a wrong thing. Do not deceive yourself. Put both the hands on the ... properly, both the feet properly on the ground. It's all right. You are nice. Are you happy? (laughing) Now you have more people today, isn't it, Felicity? Hmmm (clicks fingers). It's good. Please try to keep your eyes shut. If you get flickering of the eyelids, then you can open, but if you can close them, then it's all right, it's nothing wrong. Just wait - you will get it in no time. (comments aside to Felicity) Hmm! What do you think, G? Right side? Yes. Please keep your eyes shut. Your attention will be attracted inside by itself. Keep the attention absolutely loose. Just keep it loose, it will be by itself, because the happening takes place. It's an effortless thing. Do not put in any effort, it just happens. It's all living, all living things happen effortlessly. Now, whatever I have said, you should not feel guilty about it, for heaven's sake. Just keep your eyes shut, that's all. (Comments aside to Felicity or G) Are you getting the cool breeze in your hand? Are you getting any cool breeze in the hand? Not yet. Please keep your eyes shut, and please put your feet down on the ground, and do not cross them, on both the sides; yes, that's a better idea. Now please keep your eyes shut. (Mother rubs Her hands together vigorously.) The experience is so clear-cut that you are not going to doubt it, so you just wait for the experience. Better, mmm. G, done. Ha! (Mother snaps Her fingers). First thing is that we must forgive others, we must forgive others because it's a myth that is working on us. We must forgive others, that is very important, is to forgive others. Just say, within our hearts, that we forgive all those who might have harmed us, because you are just torturing yourself for others' sake. You are not torturing them by remembering it, so best thing is to forgive others.
6/13/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8475	Seeking That Which Lies Beyond	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	47	Public Program. Stratford, East London, London (UK), 13 June 1980 They could not have been false. They could not have lied to us. For example let us take the case of Socrates. Socrates has told us that we have to leave our body for the second life and that when we live on this world, when we live as human beings on this earth, we have to keep ourselves in such a way that we do not spoil our being. That we have a sustenance within us, a quality which makes us human beings, by which we can be called as human beings. What is the difference between human beings and animals? As so many others also have said the same thing, that we are human beings, because we are human beings we have to maintain a certain amount of sustenance. After Socrates we had people like Abraham and Moses, they also said the same thing. There isn’t much difference in what they said and Socrates had said. Socrates had said one more thing, that there are Deities within us and we have to look after those deities, we have to keep them pleased. Moses, when he found Ten Commandments, actually he found those ten methods by which he was telling us that we should be able to keep our existence as human beings by following those Ten Commandments. Sustenance means the one we sustain within us. In Sanskrit language, it is called as ‘dharma‘. "Dharayeti sa dharma": the one which sustains within ourselves. For example, if you take a carbon atom, it has got four valences (tetravalent). Anywhere you go and find any carbon atom from any carbon compound, you will find it will have four valences. Every element has the same property in all it’s atoms. That is the dharma. You can say gold has the capacity or a dharma that it is untarnishable. If you see animals, they too have their sustenance. For example, you would not find a horse behaving like a donkey, or a lion behaving like a scorpion. That’s below the dignity of the lion to be a scorpion and a scorpion becoming a worm. The sustenance of these people [creatures] is kept up intact because they have not been given freedom to choose. Only at the human stage, God has given us freedom to choose our sustenance, to accept our sustenance as human beings. Only human beings have been given this freedom. So a human being can be at a point, could be a scorpion or could be a lion. Human beings can be all animals put together, you don’t know, almost unpredictable. You don’t know which way they will react! He could be cunning like a wolf and he could be humble like a cow. Human beings have capacity, because of their freedom, to show, whichever way they want to live. But all human beings were created by one God in the same manner, exactly the same manner. But variety that we see is superficial, absolutely outside. We all laugh the same way, whether we are Japanese, English or Indians. We cry the same way. Everything that we do is human. But if somebody wants to be artificial, he can be little funny, but he’ll be called a joker, he won’t be a normal person. A normal behaviour of a human being, whether he is an American or a Japanese makes no difference. They are all just the same. That is the expression of their sustenance within. Within us lies the sustenance in this part where the green round thing is shown. Here the human beings have achieved their sustenance. They have to be there. They have to do these things. If they do not do these things, that they do not remain human beings anymore – is a fact. But in modern times it's the most difficult to tell people that you have to be human beings. You can tell them to be donkeys or monkeys or tigers or anything but human beings. You can form cliques, groups, quarrel, fight, do all kinds of things, but not to be normal human beings. If you become a normal human being there will be no strife, no problem. To normalise you, all these great saints were born on this earth, in this void of the Big Primordial Being. And they exist within us, though they are not awakened as yet. We have had mainly ten of them. In India we can call them, from a very long time as Adi Nath who was thousands of years back. I've told you Socrates, Moses, Abraham then Raja Janaka. Then we had, later on, Mohammed Sahib, then Nanaka, then the last one of them was Shirdi Sai Nath. He was another Primordial Master, a great one. They are the incarnations of the One personality. They said the same thing and same thing and same thing - how to sustain yourself. Their job was not to give you realisation but to sustain you. To make you capable of your realisation. To make you a proper recipient of God's blessings as realised souls. If the pot is not alright, if it has all the holes in it, what's the use of pouring Ganges into it? So they clogged all the points and said that "This should not be done." But as we have messed up everything we have messed up them also. All of us! Whether you are English, Indians or this thing doesn't matter. Whether you are Christians, Muslims or a Sikh or anything doesn't matter. All of us have made a mess of them by just disobeying them. We have really disobeyed them, because we have a freedom to disobey. We have moulded them as we liked. I'll give you an example of Indians. How they have done it. And then about the Christians. It's very interesting to note. For example Mohammed Sahib has prohibited, absolutely prohibited drinking, absolutely! A Sikh is not supposed to touch a drink. Not supposed to even touch smoking. Ask anyone. Absolutely!! And I tell you, in this country, I was amazed, they drink more than even Scottish people do!! Horrible! Openly! They'll fight for a helmet, nonsensical things (Sikhs in UK don't have to wear a motorbike helmet on top of their turban!), but they will not understand the main thing that Nanaka has told them, they are doing. Now take the Christians, the great! Christ has prohibited anything to be done with the dead. Not to use spirits. The number of spiritualists you have in all the Western countries you cannot find them even in Africa! Every church you go into you step into all the dead bodies! From where did you get these horrible ideas of putting all dead people among living? Your children treading over these dead people. Absurd it is! Taking help from spirits, ESP. The whole Western ideology is going to waste because they have taken to these spirits. After some time they'll become really aboriginals I can tell you, the way they on. All kind of devils are possessing them. To add to that they have taken to drugs. That can even be much more killing. But one should understand that these things go against our being. For Mohammed Sahib is the person who said, in those days when there were so many women and very few men, he said "Alright, if that is the case you must get married. Even to four women you must get married. There should be no relationship without marriage." That's why they did it. Now the muslims think that unless and until they have four wives they are not muslims! But he had prohibited drinking, absolutely! Moses had prohibited completely too, all of them. But the muslims, the amount of alcohol they consume I tell you. When the alcohol will be over they will be drinking their petrol I believe! Which has been absolutely prohibited! You can't meet one muslim in this country, who has come, and who doesn't drink. Impossible! And who drinks till he goes to the airport, takes a bottle with him till he goes to his country and finishes all that before getting down. And never go to receive such a person at the airport, that you don't know what you are going to face! This is the situation! Whatever was told was against you, we decided to do that. Now take the Hindus the great! Who think no end of themselves as the greatest spiritual people ever going around. It is said that, in every human being resides God. In every heart resides God - is the basis of Hinduism. But they have started caste system! Caste system was according to psychological aptitudes. If you are a seeker you are a brahmin, if you are seeking in money you are this, if you are seeking in power you are a shatriya. All politicians are shatriya! So they made it according to your birth. Divided the country according to caste system and the curse the horrible, freezing thing, fanatic, is working in that country. How can it be when you believe that in every human being resides God Almighty? How can somebody be higher and somebody be lower? There's a big camouflage that they are brahmins. How are they brahmins? I cannot understand how are they brahmins when they are not realised souls they cannot be brahmins at all? Even a person like Valmiki who was a shidul caste in the sense that he was doing work like a thief and he was just a fisherman, but he is one of the greatest brahmins we have! Vyasa, his mother was a fisherwoman and he was an illegitimate child, he is another, the one who wrote [The Bhagavad] Geeta. And these people are saying - 'We are brahmins, you are non-brahmins, you are this, you are that'. Living in artificial ideas and useless things. And fighting about these things which are nowhere near reality, in the name of God! Just think of it. If we are all human beings, we are all created by Our Father. And think of Our Father how He must be thinking that His feet, hands and eyes are all fighting among themselves and every cell in the body is fighting with each other. Think of His compassion and His love, what He must feel. That is what we have done to our society. We have funny ideas about ourselves. To Me it's such a silly thing and so stupid, it's so stupid [that] I can't just understand. I cannot identify Myself with these ideas, find it impossible. You see, a beautiful map was created there had to be some trees and there had to be some gardens, there had to be some rivers and there had to be some mountains as well, in that map. Who asked you to divide into different countries and fight like fools and carry your prison number, prisoner's number as a, what you call, passport? Why must you have passports I cannot understand? If we are human beings, if we are born of one Father we own the whole world, is ours. How can we possess anything? This all belongs to Him. To a person of my nature it is impossible to understand. To conceive this idea. I cannot play this drama. While you are this. Inside you God has made all these beautiful centres which Guru Nanaka and Kabira...even in the Bible it is said "I will appear before you like tongues of flames", these are the centres. They exist within you. They are there. And the Kundalini which is the residual power within us in three and a half coils, lies dormant in the bone called as Sacrum, the triangular bone. It resides there. When I say that, whatever emphasis I may put in you are not to believe. You are not to accept it, but you are not to close your eyes also, and you are not to deny. It exists. It is within us. Is your Mother, placed within every human being, whether you belong to West Ham or to London Centre, whether you belong to Asia or belong to America. In all of us this Kundalini is placed there, and She is the Mother within us. Everyone has a very beautiful Mother placed in the Kundalini. This Mother is waiting for an occasion when She will give you your rebirth. Everyone of you have a right to have that. And this is 'sahaja', means is born with you, 'saha' means with, 'ja' means born. It is spontaneous. It is a living process. It is a process that is going to manifest, after this human evolution, into a new one; when you are going to become the person who is in contact with the Divine Power. This Divine Power is within you, means rises through these centres, six centres which are maybe the milestones of our evolution, and pierces this fontanelle bone here, which is called as brahmarandra in the sanskrit language and gives you your realisation, and yoga is established. The union with God is established. This is the real baptism. Neither these priests who come from theological colleges or these horrible brahmins, so-called, they can give you this second birth. Is the only one who is authorised by God, who is a realised soul, can do it. Every Dick, Tom and Harry cannot do it. Once the Kundalini rises and you become one with the Universal Divine Power which is all-pervading, you start feeling a cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, which we call in sanskrit as 'Adi Shakti', starts flowing in the hand as cool breeze. And once that starts flowing, then all these fingers, which look so simple to us, get enlightened, and you find that in these fingers you get the enlightenment of these different centres. The left had side and the right hand side have got five centres, six and seven, in the same way right and left. And then you can start seeing yourself what centres are suffering within you, and what centres are suffering in other people. You become collectively conscious. I don't have to tell you [that] you are all human beings, children of one Father, you just become. Is actualisation. It's not lecturing or "Alright come along I'll baptise you", not all that. It just becomes an actual experience. But after that actual experience, you have to work it out. Now in England we have two types of people I would say. Of course, we have third type also. But one type, that is ego-oriented. For example, if a guru comes in and says "Alright, if you get me 500 rupees I'll give you realisation," they'll sing "He's the great one!", you see, because he takes £500 from you. Because that inflates your ego. "You can give £500 to get your realisation." And there's a competition set in, you see, like a race horse. Somebody says "I gave him £500", he says "Oh what, only £500? I'll go and give £700!" These are thugs of the first order! Nobody who is of that quality will be a parasite. These are parasites of the worst type and I'm ashamed of them! Never think you can buy such a person. Do not keep yourself on that ego level. You can only win over that person through love, because that person has to be love. Nothing else is going to appeal, all kinds of artificiality should be dropped, and approach the person with love. And the love acts and the Kundalini rises. This Divine Love works it out. How will you explain love in scientific terminology? You cannot. But ask them. So many questions we can ask to the scientists they cannot answer. Just ask them that "How this Mother Earth is keeping us down?" They'll say there is gravity. "That we know but how? And why?" They cannot answer any 'why'. They'll just say "This is this, this is this. There is a lamp burning there's a light coming." Nothing beyond. But why? They cannot answer that question because they are only one sided. They have no heart. Heart is finished there. There is no heart. You have to combine the heart and the brain and the liver, three things together. You have to integrate a human being to get to know the answers to these absolute questions which is very difficult because you are so fragmented. This whole body is fragmented, they cannot have the idea of the whole. It's chaotic, confusing people. But at this time only, this great work had to take place and it is taking place. Slowly but steadily. It does work out. It has to work out. Without that you are not going to achieve anything. You are not going to achieve anything that is meaningful. You have to know why you are here. Why you are created out of amoeba to this stage. What is the meaning of your life? Are you just born to be slave to your lust and greed and then die? Or is there greater meaning to it? We have to find out that. And that finding has been done in this great country by so many, and it should be done in this area also. Why not? That's why I have come just to meet you and talk to you about it and to give you the experience. Of course, in one lecture such a big subject cannot be covered. I think I must have spoken at least 200 times all over the country and we also have also a book about it, but by reading you cannot get the experience the main thing is of experience which takes hardly any time. You must get the experience to begin with. Once you get the experience then you must know what that power is. Then you must use it. Like, one gentleman came to see me, he's a big writer. He said "Yes Mother, I came to you, I had the cool breeze in the hand. I did feel better, I felt relaxed", but nothing! "I went home, I started thinking about it, I lost my cool breeze." That's all! No transformation! I said "It is like, I gave you a diamond and you don't know what diamond is! You go and put it somewhere. Cover it with something. There's no light coming in." You have to go and ask others. You have to test it. You have to understand Kundalini, you have to raise it in others. You have to value it by testing it. You have to grow into it and you can see here there are many people who have got it and they have not only got it but they have got it in a very big way. It is your right to have it, you must get it. As the result, first thing, your health improves. This is the chocolate one has to offer, is a by-product. It cures also diseases also like cancer. It cures many diseases.I think 90% of diseases it cures. You don't have to go to doctor after that. It gives you mental peace, many mad people have been cured. Many alcoholics and drug addicts have become absolutely happy so that they don't need anything anymore now. Because the real alcohol starts flowing within you and you start enjoying that! Your absolute is born in you, your priorities change and you become a witness. The whole thing looks like a drama to you. Your attention becomes enlightened, your centres become enlightened. Sitting down here you start manifesting your powers. You can understand what's wrong with other people. You can understand what's wrong with you. As you grow in this new awareness, which we call as vibratory awareness, you become empowered with the power of raising the Kundalini of others and giving realisation just like this. You can see, with your naked eye, the pulsating of the Kundalini, the rising of the Kundalini, the breaking of the Kundalini. All these things can be seen. Even small children who are realised souls can tell you where is your Kundalini. This is the time, most chaotic and confusing. Confusion has to be there otherwise you do not seek. Out of confusion you have to find it, and the time has come, the blossom time has come for many flowers to blossom. This has to work out. This is going to solve all simpler problems, gross problems, material problems, family problems, social problems, political problems, racial problems, because you have found out the absolute. All your problems are there because you live in a relative world. If you find your absolute, then you know what is right and what is wrong, because now you are connected with the mains and the rapport has started. You can ask any fundamental question and you will get the answer. Suppose you ask the question "Is there God?" ask a question, you'll find a cool breeze coming into you. But if you ask something else which is a wrong thing, there will be no breeze. So you jump into your understanding in such a manner that it becomes an absolute value. Your value system changes. This is what you have been seeking, you will be seeking, you have to seek. And this is what you have to have. Have, because The Last Judgement has started and you are going to be judged through your Kundalini awakening. It's most surprising that, in this judgement, you are not given your punishment outright. You are given all that is needed. All the assistance, all the reformation that you need, all the transformation you need and all the information that you need. And once you accept in your own freedom this greatness, you are accepted as the citizen of the God's Kingdom and you enter as a prince to rule there! It is difficult because people are so superficial, they do no want the depth. The other day a lady told me she's doing hatha yoga. I said "That's very wrong, because there are hatha yoga asanas for different diseases and different problems, but if you do all the hatha yogas it is like taking all the medicine for your body. It's a wrong thing you must have discrimination. You must have the full idea about the scientific side of it, but you are doing that" She said "But you will be amazed, people don't come for meditation because they don't want to do it." Then I said "When will they come next life?" When are they going to seek themselves, why are they saving time? Just to seek themselves. We have to seek our Selves, there's no way out. You are not going to be in joy unless and until you seek your Self. Even if you take time, you'll come back to this. I know that and I'm here in this country specially because you deserved it and you wanted it. Thank you very much. May God bless you.	null	null	null	Public Program. Stratford, East London, London (UK), 13 June 1980 They could not have been false. They could not have lied to us. For example let us take the case of Socrates. Socrates has told us that we have to leave our body for the second life and that when we live on this world, when we live as human beings on this earth, we have to keep ourselves in such a way that we do not spoil our being. That we have a sustenance within us, a quality which makes us human beings, by which we can be called as human beings. What is the difference between human beings and animals? As so many others also have said the same thing, that we are human beings, because we are human beings we have to maintain a certain amount of sustenance. After Socrates we had people like Abraham and Moses, they also said the same thing. There isn’t much difference in what they said and Socrates had said. Socrates had said one more thing, that there are Deities within us and we have to look after those deities, we have to keep them pleased. Moses, when he found Ten Commandments, actually he found those ten methods by which he was telling us that we should be able to keep our existence as human beings by following those Ten Commandments. Sustenance means the one we sustain within us. In Sanskrit language, it is called as ‘dharma‘. "Dharayeti sa dharma": the one which sustains within ourselves. For example, if you take a carbon atom, it has got four valences (tetravalent). Anywhere you go and find any carbon atom from any carbon compound, you will find it will have four valences. Every element has the same property in all it’s atoms. That is the dharma. You can say gold has the capacity or a dharma that it is untarnishable. If you see animals, they too have their sustenance. For example, you would not find a horse behaving like a donkey, or a lion behaving like a scorpion. That’s below the dignity of the lion to be a scorpion and a scorpion becoming a worm. The sustenance of these people [creatures] is kept up intact because they have not been given freedom to choose. Only at the human stage, God has given us freedom to choose our sustenance, to accept our sustenance as human beings. Only human beings have been given this freedom. So a human being can be at a point, could be a scorpion or could be a lion. Human beings can be all animals put together, you don’t know, almost unpredictable. You don’t know which way they will react! He could be cunning like a wolf and he could be humble like a cow. Human beings have capacity, because of their freedom, to show, whichever way they want to live. But all human beings were created by one God in the same manner, exactly the same manner. But variety that we see is superficial, absolutely outside. We all laugh the same way, whether we are Japanese, English or Indians. We cry the same way. Everything that we do is human. But if somebody wants to be artificial, he can be little funny, but he’ll be called a joker, he won’t be a normal person. A normal behaviour of a human being, whether he is an American or a Japanese makes no difference. They are all just the same. That is the expression of their sustenance within. Within us lies the sustenance in this part where the green round thing is shown. Here the human beings have achieved their sustenance. They have to be there. They have to do these things. If they do not do these things, that they do not remain human beings anymore – is a fact. But in modern times it's the most difficult to tell people that you have to be human beings. You can tell them to be donkeys or monkeys or tigers or anything but human beings. You can form cliques, groups, quarrel, fight, do all kinds of things, but not to be normal human beings. If you become a normal human being there will be no strife, no problem. To normalise you, all these great saints were born on this earth, in this void of the Big Primordial Being. And they exist within us, though they are not awakened as yet. We have had mainly ten of them. In India we can call them, from a very long time as Adi Nath who was thousands of years back. I've told you Socrates, Moses, Abraham then Raja Janaka. Then we had, later on, Mohammed Sahib, then Nanaka, then the last one of them was Shirdi Sai Nath. He was another Primordial Master, a great one. They are the incarnations of the One personality. They said the same thing and same thing and same thing - how to sustain yourself. Their job was not to give you realisation but to sustain you. To make you capable of your realisation. To make you a proper recipient of God's blessings as realised souls. If the pot is not alright, if it has all the holes in it, what's the use of pouring Ganges into it? So they clogged all the points and said that "This should not be done." But as we have messed up everything we have messed up them also. All of us! Whether you are English, Indians or this thing doesn't matter. Whether you are Christians, Muslims or a Sikh or anything doesn't matter. All of us have made a mess of them by just disobeying them. We have really disobeyed them, because we have a freedom to disobey. We have moulded them as we liked. I'll give you an example of Indians. How they have done it. And then about the Christians. It's very interesting to note. For example Mohammed Sahib has prohibited, absolutely prohibited drinking, absolutely! A Sikh is not supposed to touch a drink. Not supposed to even touch smoking. Ask anyone. Absolutely!! And I tell you, in this country, I was amazed, they drink more than even Scottish people do!! Horrible! Openly! They'll fight for a helmet, nonsensical things (Sikhs in UK don't have to wear a motorbike helmet on top of their turban!), but they will not understand the main thing that Nanaka has told them, they are doing. Now take the Christians, the great! Christ has prohibited anything to be done with the dead. Not to use spirits. The number of spiritualists you have in all the Western countries you cannot find them even in Africa! Every church you go into you step into all the dead bodies! From where did you get these horrible ideas of putting all dead people among living? Your children treading over these dead people. Absurd it is! Taking help from spirits, ESP. The whole Western ideology is going to waste because they have taken to these spirits. After some time they'll become really aboriginals I can tell you, the way they on. All kind of devils are possessing them. To add to that they have taken to drugs. That can even be much more killing. But one should understand that these things go against our being. For Mohammed Sahib is the person who said, in those days when there were so many women and very few men, he said "Alright, if that is the case you must get married. Even to four women you must get married. There should be no relationship without marriage." That's why they did it. Now the muslims think that unless and until they have four wives they are not muslims! But he had prohibited drinking, absolutely! Moses had prohibited completely too, all of them. But the muslims, the amount of alcohol they consume I tell you. When the alcohol will be over they will be drinking their petrol I believe! Which has been absolutely prohibited! You can't meet one muslim in this country, who has come, and who doesn't drink. Impossible! And who drinks till he goes to the airport, takes a bottle with him till he goes to his country and finishes all that before getting down. And never go to receive such a person at the airport, that you don't know what you are going to face! This is the situation! Whatever was told was against you, we decided to do that. Now take the Hindus the great! Who think no end of themselves as the greatest spiritual people ever going around. It is said that, in every human being resides God. In every heart resides God - is the basis of Hinduism. But they have started caste system! Caste system was according to psychological aptitudes. If you are a seeker you are a brahmin, if you are seeking in money you are this, if you are seeking in power you are a shatriya. All politicians are shatriya! So they made it according to your birth. Divided the country according to caste system and the curse the horrible, freezing thing, fanatic, is working in that country. How can it be when you believe that in every human being resides God Almighty? How can somebody be higher and somebody be lower? There's a big camouflage that they are brahmins. How are they brahmins? I cannot understand how are they brahmins when they are not realised souls they cannot be brahmins at all? Even a person like Valmiki who was a shidul caste in the sense that he was doing work like a thief and he was just a fisherman, but he is one of the greatest brahmins we have! Vyasa, his mother was a fisherwoman and he was an illegitimate child, he is another, the one who wrote [The Bhagavad] Geeta. And these people are saying - 'We are brahmins, you are non-brahmins, you are this, you are that'. Living in artificial ideas and useless things. And fighting about these things which are nowhere near reality, in the name of God! Just think of it. If we are all human beings, we are all created by Our Father. And think of Our Father how He must be thinking that His feet, hands and eyes are all fighting among themselves and every cell in the body is fighting with each other. Think of His compassion and His love, what He must feel. That is what we have done to our society. We have funny ideas about ourselves. To Me it's such a silly thing and so stupid, it's so stupid [that] I can't just understand. I cannot identify Myself with these ideas, find it impossible. You see, a beautiful map was created there had to be some trees and there had to be some gardens, there had to be some rivers and there had to be some mountains as well, in that map. Who asked you to divide into different countries and fight like fools and carry your prison number, prisoner's number as a, what you call, passport? Why must you have passports I cannot understand? If we are human beings, if we are born of one Father we own the whole world, is ours. How can we possess anything? This all belongs to Him. To a person of my nature it is impossible to understand. To conceive this idea. I cannot play this drama. While you are this. Inside you God has made all these beautiful centres which Guru Nanaka and Kabira...even in the Bible it is said "I will appear before you like tongues of flames", these are the centres. They exist within you. They are there. And the Kundalini which is the residual power within us in three and a half coils, lies dormant in the bone called as Sacrum, the triangular bone. It resides there. When I say that, whatever emphasis I may put in you are not to believe. You are not to accept it, but you are not to close your eyes also, and you are not to deny. It exists. It is within us. Is your Mother, placed within every human being, whether you belong to West Ham or to London Centre, whether you belong to Asia or belong to America. In all of us this Kundalini is placed there, and She is the Mother within us. Everyone has a very beautiful Mother placed in the Kundalini. This Mother is waiting for an occasion when She will give you your rebirth. Everyone of you have a right to have that. And this is 'sahaja', means is born with you, 'saha' means with, 'ja' means born. It is spontaneous. It is a living process. It is a process that is going to manifest, after this human evolution, into a new one; when you are going to become the person who is in contact with the Divine Power. This Divine Power is within you, means rises through these centres, six centres which are maybe the milestones of our evolution, and pierces this fontanelle bone here, which is called as brahmarandra in the sanskrit language and gives you your realisation, and yoga is established. The union with God is established. This is the real baptism. Neither these priests who come from theological colleges or these horrible brahmins, so-called, they can give you this second birth. Is the only one who is authorised by God, who is a realised soul, can do it. Every Dick, Tom and Harry cannot do it. Once the Kundalini rises and you become one with the Universal Divine Power which is all-pervading, you start feeling a cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, which we call in sanskrit as 'Adi Shakti', starts flowing in the hand as cool breeze. And once that starts flowing, then all these fingers, which look so simple to us, get enlightened, and you find that in these fingers you get the enlightenment of these different centres. The left had side and the right hand side have got five centres, six and seven, in the same way right and left. And then you can start seeing yourself what centres are suffering within you, and what centres are suffering in other people. You become collectively conscious. I don't have to tell you [that] you are all human beings, children of one Father, you just become. Is actualisation. It's not lecturing or "Alright come along I'll baptise you", not all that. It just becomes an actual experience. But after that actual experience, you have to work it out. Now in England we have two types of people I would say. Of course, we have third type also. But one type, that is ego-oriented. For example, if a guru comes in and says "Alright, if you get me 500 rupees I'll give you realisation," they'll sing "He's the great one!", you see, because he takes £500 from you. Because that inflates your ego. "You can give £500 to get your realisation." And there's a competition set in, you see, like a race horse. Somebody says "I gave him £500", he says "Oh what, only £500? I'll go and give £700!" These are thugs of the first order! Nobody who is of that quality will be a parasite. These are parasites of the worst type and I'm ashamed of them! Never think you can buy such a person. Do not keep yourself on that ego level. You can only win over that person through love, because that person has to be love. Nothing else is going to appeal, all kinds of artificiality should be dropped, and approach the person with love. And the love acts and the Kundalini rises. This Divine Love works it out. How will you explain love in scientific terminology? You cannot. But ask them. So many questions we can ask to the scientists they cannot answer. Just ask them that "How this Mother Earth is keeping us down?" They'll say there is gravity. "That we know but how? And why?" They cannot answer any 'why'. They'll just say "This is this, this is this. There is a lamp burning there's a light coming." Nothing beyond. But why? They cannot answer that question because they are only one sided. They have no heart. Heart is finished there. There is no heart. You have to combine the heart and the brain and the liver, three things together. You have to integrate a human being to get to know the answers to these absolute questions which is very difficult because you are so fragmented. This whole body is fragmented, they cannot have the idea of the whole. It's chaotic, confusing people. But at this time only, this great work had to take place and it is taking place. Slowly but steadily. It does work out. It has to work out. Without that you are not going to achieve anything. You are not going to achieve anything that is meaningful. You have to know why you are here. Why you are created out of amoeba to this stage. What is the meaning of your life? Are you just born to be slave to your lust and greed and then die? Or is there greater meaning to it? We have to find out that. And that finding has been done in this great country by so many, and it should be done in this area also. Why not? That's why I have come just to meet you and talk to you about it and to give you the experience. Of course, in one lecture such a big subject cannot be covered. I think I must have spoken at least 200 times all over the country and we also have also a book about it, but by reading you cannot get the experience the main thing is of experience which takes hardly any time. You must get the experience to begin with. Once you get the experience then you must know what that power is. Then you must use it. Like, one gentleman came to see me, he's a big writer. He said "Yes Mother, I came to you, I had the cool breeze in the hand. I did feel better, I felt relaxed", but nothing! "I went home, I started thinking about it, I lost my cool breeze." That's all! No transformation! I said "It is like, I gave you a diamond and you don't know what diamond is! You go and put it somewhere. Cover it with something. There's no light coming in." You have to go and ask others. You have to test it. You have to understand Kundalini, you have to raise it in others. You have to value it by testing it. You have to grow into it and you can see here there are many people who have got it and they have not only got it but they have got it in a very big way. It is your right to have it, you must get it. As the result, first thing, your health improves. This is the chocolate one has to offer, is a by-product. It cures also diseases also like cancer. It cures many diseases.I think 90% of diseases it cures. You don't have to go to doctor after that. It gives you mental peace, many mad people have been cured. Many alcoholics and drug addicts have become absolutely happy so that they don't need anything anymore now. Because the real alcohol starts flowing within you and you start enjoying that! Your absolute is born in you, your priorities change and you become a witness. The whole thing looks like a drama to you. Your attention becomes enlightened, your centres become enlightened. Sitting down here you start manifesting your powers. You can understand what's wrong with other people. You can understand what's wrong with you. As you grow in this new awareness, which we call as vibratory awareness, you become empowered with the power of raising the Kundalini of others and giving realisation just like this. You can see, with your naked eye, the pulsating of the Kundalini, the rising of the Kundalini, the breaking of the Kundalini. All these things can be seen. Even small children who are realised souls can tell you where is your Kundalini. This is the time, most chaotic and confusing. Confusion has to be there otherwise you do not seek. Out of confusion you have to find it, and the time has come, the blossom time has come for many flowers to blossom. This has to work out. This is going to solve all simpler problems, gross problems, material problems, family problems, social problems, political problems, racial problems, because you have found out the absolute. All your problems are there because you live in a relative world. If you find your absolute, then you know what is right and what is wrong, because now you are connected with the mains and the rapport has started. You can ask any fundamental question and you will get the answer. Suppose you ask the question "Is there God?" ask a question, you'll find a cool breeze coming into you. But if you ask something else which is a wrong thing, there will be no breeze. So you jump into your understanding in such a manner that it becomes an absolute value. Your value system changes. This is what you have been seeking, you will be seeking, you have to seek. And this is what you have to have. Have, because The Last Judgement has started and you are going to be judged through your Kundalini awakening. It's most surprising that, in this judgement, you are not given your punishment outright. You are given all that is needed. All the assistance, all the reformation that you need, all the transformation you need and all the information that you need. And once you accept in your own freedom this greatness, you are accepted as the citizen of the God's Kingdom and you enter as a prince to rule there! It is difficult because people are so superficial, they do no want the depth. The other day a lady told me she's doing hatha yoga. I said "That's very wrong, because there are hatha yoga asanas for different diseases and different problems, but if you do all the hatha yogas it is like taking all the medicine for your body. It's a wrong thing you must have discrimination. You must have the full idea about the scientific side of it, but you are doing that" She said "But you will be amazed, people don't come for meditation because they don't want to do it." Then I said "When will they come next life?" When are they going to seek themselves, why are they saving time? Just to seek themselves. We have to seek our Selves, there's no way out. You are not going to be in joy unless and until you seek your Self. Even if you take time, you'll come back to this. I know that and I'm here in this country specially because you deserved it and you wanted it. Thank you very much. May God bless you.
6/23/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6725	Guru Tattwa	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	46	The Essence Within: Innocence, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 23 June 1980. Public Program (short) and talk to Sahaja Yogis. It’s a fact. It’s a thing you can see. It’s an actualisation. And we are so much lost in our own imaginations, in our own hallucinations and misguidance, that we cannot believe that there could be something factual about God. But if God is a fact, then even this happening has to happen within us, otherwise He doesn’t exist. If somebody’s an atheist it’s better in a way. Because he has not accepted anything blindfolded. But if somebody has accepted God with an open mind and has not followed some conjectures, is even better. But if you follow any conjecture like that, that there must be God - some people told me, "Yes Mother. God helps me a lot.” I said, “Really? How does He help you?” So the lady tells me “I got up in the morning and I prayed to God, ‘O God, look after my son!’, ” that’s all she could think of! That God should be only busy looking after her son, [as if] He has no other job! “So then, what happened?” “Then my son was coming by plane and there was some trouble in the plane, but he was saved. God helped me there! There is God.” But if something had happened to the boy, then what she would have said, I don’t know. So, to say that you are getting help from God, that God has helped you this way and that way, is too much to assume, I think. God does look after all of us. He is compassion, He is love, He has created us, He has made a beautiful human being out of us, within us He has placed all these centres, He has placed the Kundalini within us, and the Kundalini has to rise, you have to get realisation, all that is so, no doubt. All this has to work out. That’s also the truth is. But still, one must know that He is not in your hand, you are in His hand. There are many people who pray to God, "Give me promotion. O God, you have to give me promotion”. And then if He doesn’t give, “This God is not helpful to me! Why has He not given me promotion?” You should not cheapen God like that. God is the one Who is Almighty, Who has created all this Universe. He has created you, and He has created you for a purpose. And that purpose is something Supreme. That’s not ordinary purpose, the way you think Him to be, He is not an ordinary person. He is Supreme and He will give you something that is Supreme. Supposing you go to see some king, he will not give you 1p, will he? He may give you a diamond. But if you want to ask anything from God then you must ask for the Supreme! And what is the Supreme? The Supreme is to know Him. Unless and until you know your Self, you are not going to know Him. He has placed within you that instrument by which you first know your Self. Once you know your Self, through your Self you know Him. But the first important thing is that your attention has to be on Him. There’s a very different thing to have attention on God and to have a blind faith in God. These two things are absolutely far apart. To have faith in God means – I’ve already told you all the silly things we do in the name of faith. But to have your attention on God is to ask, “When am I going to be my Self? When are You going to accept me as a citizen of Your Kingdom? When are You going to use me as Your instrument, O Lord?” This should be your attention. If your attention is like that, and if you are really of pure nature about it, it will work out, it works out. This is the only thing that is needed in Sahaja Yoga, is a clean heart to ask for it, to desire for it. Those who have been ardently asking for it, they might have been misguided, gone to wrong path, they have done mistakes, they might have committed sins, whatever it is, but in the name of God, in the search of God, if they have been earnest, they have been granted realisation. They will get realisation, no doubt about it. Even otherwise, you’ll get Realisation. It's the Grace so overflowing these days. Even the worst sinners can get Realisation. But how to retain it, and how to ascend, is then your responsibility. So, this is for the newcomers today, because to go into all the chakras and all the centres is going to be too much. These people have already printed about all these things. But today as there are more Sahaja Yogis here, I have to tell something important about their becoming. Already I have spoken to you about becoming. But today, we have to understand one thing: that the essences within us — for example innocence — is absolutely pure. Within us it is absolutely pure. In its own form it is absolutely pure. But, when it is reflected through our medium, it gets soiled. The way you are, the way you express it, it gets spoiled. If you are a cunning person, the innocence cannot be manifested, it cannot be manifested. Your innocence, whatever God has placed within you is completely darkened because you cannot reflect it back. There is no manifestation about it. Why it happens? If you are pure, if you are all right, the innocence is all right, then why it is not manifested through you? Why this cunningness can stop that innocence or any other essences that are within you, which you know which exist on different chakras? We must think about it, why it happens. That even after Realisation, we cannot properly manifest our innocence, our primordial powers which are within us in absolute purest form. Why? What happens within us? The trouble is with our attention. When you became human beings, you were given full freedom to put your attention onto anything you wanted. Say, if you want, you can put your attention onto any subject. Say, I receive a telephone call. So I put my attention to it. Now, I can go on identifying with it, thinking about it; all my attention will be enveloped and I will not pay attention to anything else that is happening. The attention is so mobile, it has no base as if the whole thing, like a jelly, goes and gets attached to a thing. I mean, today, I received a letter from, say, Manila. And it’s a funny letter to me, I must say. The lady writes to me that, "my problem comes from Mr. So-and-so”. “All right, what is your problem?” “Is that, I have fallen in love with him, but he has fallen in love with another woman”. She sends all the way to me this letter! And, "I am just very unhappy, Mother, what am I to do? All my life is wasted, I don’t know what to do with myself, I’m just lost, he’s left me, that woman has played a tricks,” and all those things, etc, etc ... All right. So, I just thought – look at this woman. Where is her attention? Is this the meaning of her life to waste for any man who doesn’t care for her? She has no self-esteem! Why doesn’t she understand that God has not made her to waste her energy on these useless things? He has made her to enjoy life, to enjoy herself. Instead of knowing herself, why is she worried? Even if she marries such a wretched fellow who has run away with another woman, is he going to love her? I mean, it’s rationality also can tell you that this attention that she is wasting, she is crying, weeping, she said, “I’ll get tuberculosis.” She will! I mean if you waste your attention on foolish nonsensical things, what’s going to happen? So, this is how we put our attention onto absolutely useless things; sometimes onto very depraved things also. We may put our attention to anything that we think requires our attention. But do you have your self-esteem? If you have, then where should be your attention? It should be on your Self. Where is your Self now? It is God Almighty. Is a part of that Great Primordial Being. Your attention should be on That. After Realisation, your attention should be in your heart, on your Spirit, which is the part of God Almighty. If your attention is on your Spirit, you’ll be amazed, how your attention will act. You see, like a jelly which is attached to a point. It may little bit get disturbed, again it will settle down. Again, it will get little bit disturbed, it will settle down. It will not hang on to any point, and will not bother you. So to put all your essences properly, first of all, put your attention to your heart and to your Spirit, because that’s your absolute point which you have discovered. But it doesn’t happen with many people. The trouble is, when Kundalini rises, She gives two kinds of experiences. One is called as Shambhavi, another called as Shakti. Shambhavi is the feeling of the Shambhu, is the Shiva in the heart, means God Almighty. But the other is Shakti. Now with western people it is the other, because you know your problems. You have used your powers for all kinds of ramblings in your mental efforts. Everything [Everyone] will sit down. “All right, let us discuss Realisation!” What are you going to discuss? What are you going to discuss about Realisation? Did you get your Realisation by discussion? You have to meditate! You have to go within yourselves. See your growth, work out within! You cannot talk about it, you cannot discuss it, you cannot argue about it – it is within! Because of these ramblings, we go up to the shakti point. But Shambhu’s we do not reach. But in the East where people are not that much intelligent, that well-educated and sophisticated, I would say - simple people, it goes just there. And they just enjoy. If you show them any book, written about Sahaja Yoga — for example Gregoire’s book (The Advent by Gregoire de Kalbermatten) — they’ll say, “Mother, we don’t want it, to read, we don’t understand this.” They are just there! They are now there. What is there now? It’s flowing through our body, everything we know it’s there. Why should we bother about these things and all the controversies and dogmas, and what all the Churches have told you, and why they have failed and why this religion has failed? Who is bothered? So these problems come up. Because their attention has been on the Spirit alone. Simple people have that capacity. So now forgetting everything else, all your intelligence, all your books and education and all that you have had – forget it. And just put your attention to your heart, where lies the connection with God Almighty. If your attention is there, you will be surprised that your attention will be stabilised. Not only that it will be stabilised, but the source of joy is that and you will start feeling that joy. In essences, even the primordial Master’s essence which is called as ‘Guru Tattwa’ is absolutely pure. Now most of the Sahaja Yogis who are here, are very great Sahaja Yogis and I salute to them. But they must try to put their Guru Tattwa all right: means their manifestation of Guru Tattwa will be always affected by their own ramblings. So, they have to work very hard, in the beginning, to put it right. Ha! If you do not want to be of that level it’s all right, you can go ahead. It’s all right. But if you really want to do it, then you must know that after realisation you have to work hard, before realisation I will work hard. Even after I have to work hard. What to do? You know that, I’ve been working very hard, even after Realisation. But if you want to co-operate and help yourself, then you have to put your attention in such a way that — every problem comes in – you go to your heart, not to your brain. Any question comes in, go to your heart, there resides the blessings of God. And you will be surprised how it will be solved. That’s why I said, “Go into thoughtless awareness.” That is the quality of heart, because heart doesn’t think. You go to your heart, means you put your attention to your Spirit. Now, if you become a Guru for example, as a Sahaj Yogi also. Supposing you are a Guru of Sahaj Yoga. You are, most of you, because the Kundalini moves under your hands, you have so many powers, you can raise others’ Kundalini, you can give realisation to people and you can find out the problems of other people, you have cured many people. I agree, you are great people, no doubt, great saints. But to go further, to perfect yourself, we have to understand certain points, that Guru Tattwa itself can be manifested best if the Guru Himself realises the responsibility of being a Guru. For example, a Guru is still, say, smoking. He cannot become a Guru, even after realisation. Because his disciple will also smoke. So Vishuddhi will never be all right. Supposing this Guru is so much worried about, still, about money matters. Say, attention is still hanging on, because this is like a jelly I said, still certain ramblings are there in money matters. So His disciples will be also all the time worried about money matters. I have found this! There was a very good Sahaj Yogi, who gave realisation to at least a thousand people, at least a thousand. And he was very fond of taking tobacco. I knew he used to take tobacco, but I never told him, you see; whenever we walked from one centre to another centre he would go back and I knew he was taking that tobacco (laughter), I didn’t say anything to him. I said, “Let us see now”. But Sahaja Yoga is a wonderful thing, it’s a great corrector. So one day he came and told me - I said if I tell him, “Don’t take tambaku!” He’ll say somebody has told me and there will be a big guess work going on — “Who has reported to Mother? Why this has happened, that has happened,” so I just kept quiet. One day he came and told me that,“Mother, I don’t know what has happened. When I sit before Your photograph, my face starts becoming like a Hanumana. I feel it’s becoming bigger, bigger, bigger and expanding, expanding like that. What is it?” I said, “Really? Surprising! (Laughter) Now must be some reason, must you be doing something wrong.” “No, nothing like that!” “Vishuddhi!” I said, “This is Vishuddhi. You are going against the Viraat, so He is showing you His style!” He said, “No Mother, I’m doing nothing wrong, You know, I’m sure of it!” “Are you sure?” He said, “Now I must confess to You Mother, I take this tobacco”. I said, “I knew that. Now try to give it up”. He said, “How?” I said, “It is very simple! You just try this: whenever you feel like smoking or taking the tobacco in, you look at your heart, you become thoughtless. After all, all habits are communicated to you through thought. If you just look at your habits - remember only this much! That watch your heart, watch your Spirit, or think of me or do whatever is Sahaj Yoga tells you. For one second even if you do it, you’ll forget about it.” And he got rid of it! Because you have to depend on that stability which is within you. Once you feel the stability, you just forget about it. Because you feel unstable, that’s why you take to these things. But if you can feel your stability then you’ll say, “Go to hell! I don’t care for all these things, why should I bother? I’m not going to enslave myself for these things”. And he got rid of it. So one has to work it out. It’s very important for all the Sahaj Yogis to do it. Now I’ve seen many Sahaj Yogis who came to me were, I should say, they didn’t believe in any work. They were anti-culture people. For example I’m just saying, they were anti-culture. So they never believed in working, they said, “No, nothing doing, we are not going to work, we are not going to accumulate any money”. All right. Then when they came to Sahaj Yoga, I said, “In Sahaja Yoga, you have to work. You cannot sit idle, you have to work. You have to be in the centre. You have to work for yourself. No Guru is going to earn any money in this and so you have to work. Everybody has to work”. So, when they started working, some of them, became so adheringly [adherently] possessive of their jobs that they had no time for meditation. They had no time for thinking about it. Then they became mad like that. Then it started reacting and they came to me, they said, "Mother, why is it happening?” I said, “I told you to work, but I didn’t tell you that you become a workman! You are a Sahaj Yogi out and out. You have to work for your livelihood. Keep down that working speed”. Now if somebody has to work for his livelihood, then you must think that you should be satisfied. No end to your working is there, to your accumulating of money. And what people have got out of money? You knew this, when you had given up all these nonsensical ideas about money, then you knew this. Then suddenly why have you taken it up again? Anybody who is in Sahaja Yoga must know that you have to be temperate. That is the basis, that is the absolute fundamental thing of Sahaj Yoga. Nothing to be overdone in Sahaj Yoga. You have to be in absolutely temperance. For example, if I tell somebody, “You are very thin, you have to eat more, and have little weight in you.” So then you will eat like an elephant and live like an elephant. If I tell them, “You are very fat, a little bit you can reduce your habits of food, reduce yourself a little,” then he will come out like a TB patient. I mean, I must tell you that going to extremes should be only possible when you are not attached to something. But now you are attached to your Spirit! You are attached to your God! And how can you go to any extremes? If I tell them, all right, even doing meditation, that, “Do meditation!” then the whole night they will sit down for meditation. I never said so! (Laughter) I said you must look after your health! But get up in the morning, do your meditation, think about God. All the time, you think about God as far as possible. But that doesn’t mean the whole night you keep awake. You have to be temperate to begin with. Gradually the wisdom will be so powerful and so enlightening that you, yourself, will see what is right, what is wrong, how far you are going. It is so much necessary. Because the fruits of Sahaja Yoga, to me, is that you should feel joyous. To me it is - that’s all! - that you should feel absolutely in the kingdom of heaven. That you should feel you are now absolutely secured and nobody can disturb you. There is within you, is all the power, there’s nothing to look for. For example, till this light is burnt, it is shaking, it is doing all kinds of things. Once it is lighted it gives light. It knows its responsibility. It gives light. In the same way, I want you to be absolutely contented within yourself so that you manifest that light outside. Give light to others, without any effort. It will emit, it will emit. Unless and until that happens, no use becoming a Guru in Sahaja Yoga. And I’ve seen with people. There are some people who are very ardent, extremely ardent and they feel very much about Sahaja Yoga that they have found out the truth, that the whole world should get it, they should have it and the whole world should manifest it, the whole world must be saved. But I must tell you very frankly, the whole world is not going to be saved. Most of it will be. But how do you expect Hitler to be saved? We must accept that part that the whole world is not going to be saved. When the flower becomes a fruit, lot of it goes out of existence. That’s the part of evolution. So there is no need to be frantic about it. But you have to face reality as it is and you have to solve the problem most radically, pragmatically, and not just to get frantic about it and get upset. As I had told you last time, that if there’s a problem in the other room, better go, see for yourself, face it and solve it. Sitting down here, what’s the use of jumping, “There’s a problem in the other room”? (Laughter) That’s a typical way of escape of human beings is, that they’ll be jumping in this room, or will be worried, or will lie down in their easy chairs and say “Oh! We are finished because there’s a problem in the other room.” (Laughter) So, the best thing is to go in the other room, see for yourself what is the problem is, and face it like a human being, and then solve it. That is the way you have to look at things. Once you start facing it yourself the whole thing, you’ll be amazed how powerful you are, because you have not used your powers so far. Any problem comes in, just face it yourself. Unless and until a ship is put to its test in the sea, how you will know how far it is seaworthy or not? In the same way after Sahaj Yoga, you test yourself, “Let’s see what happens. Let’s see what happens.” And you’ll be amazed at your own powers. Actually people have faith in Sahaja Yoga, no doubt, but they do not have faith in themselves. This is what I’m telling you that you must have faith in yourself. You have got realisation, no doubt. You are Realised souls, no doubt. I say you are. Even if the king comes to me and says, “I’m Realised”, I can tell on his face “No, you are not.” But you are realised souls, and the whole Divine power, the All-pervading Power, all the powers of God and all the angels of the world are looking after you because you are aware. You are the most important thing for the Divine. The whole thing, all this, is all a waste and nothing, of no use, to the Divine. You are the people who are to be lifted up. So must know that we have to have faith in ourselves. For doing anything, you must know that you must have faith in yourself, so that you stand up to it. And every time you’ll be surprised, any waves comes up, you ride over it. Every wave comes up you ride over it. But just feel what powers you have got. These powers are within you already inherent. Say we’ll take the question of now Guru tattwa because today I am more on Guru tattwa. There was a boy, a Sikh boy who came to see me. He was a very good boy. He came to see me and he said that, “Mother, we are all followers of Guru Nanak, but somehow I am not convinced about the way Sikhism is going on. And Kabira has said in our Granth Sahib that you should get your realisation and I haven’t got it. Then how long are we to go on taking the name of God?” And I was surprised at his alertness about things - that you have to have experience of God. I said, “All right, it’s a very good idea.” And he got his realisation. And he is a young boy, very young boy. But when he got it, just like, “Eureka! Eureka!” he went to his people. He told all the Sikh people, “What are you doing here? Come along, there is a way, about what Nanaka has said. There is a way to get it. Why don’t you get it all of you?” And he brought so many! And he used to speak! People said, “Mother, we could not believe this boy could speak”. They said he used to speak so well and whatever he had heard you know, he said that really, they used to read Granth Sahib to him. “When” - he said - “I was half asleep, I used to be tired, they would read two and half days continuously I would be tired. But somehow, all these things that they read, they came to me.” And he would recite all these poems and everything, and he was telling about how Nanaka was saying about Sahaja Yoga. People were amazed at his things and so many Sikh people came to me because of him. All, his own father, mother, everybody. This is what one has to do! If you really care for other people also, you have to go and tell them, “This is not the way, find the real, find the real.” Now if the time has come for us to get something - we have been praying, we have been going to Churches, we’ve been going to Temples, we have been doing all this — now why are, why are we doing it? But they get so much used to it, that [if] you tell them, “Now stop, you have done quite a lot, now you have your thing”, they’ll say, “No, we’ll still do the same thing.” It’s a matter of habit. For a Guru it is important to be higher than other people. If he is not, that cannot work out. You Sahaj Yogis have to be people of higher outward manifestation. Inside you are, but outward manifestation has to be higher. You have to be humbler people, kinder people, sweeter people, loving people, compassionate, understanding that you were there, where they are today; joyous people and cheerful people. Otherwise nobody is going to believe what is happening in the Kundalini inside, because whatever is happening is happening, you cannot see that. It is important that it should be evident on your face, in your behaviour, in everything. For that you have to understand that you have to stabilise your attention at the lotus feet of God. This is called as ‘Sharanagati’ — surrendering. By surrendering, by worshipping, by bhakti, by singing songs, by absolutely settling yourself at the lotus feet of God Almighty, that’s the only way you are going to achieve it. After Realisation only, you have the entry into the Kingdom of God. Before that, whatever you try has no meaning. Muslims do all the Namaz, morning till evening — do not get anything! But we had some Muslims, you know that. Once he started after Realisation, he said, “Every time I bend I get vibrations. Every time I say Allah’s name I get vibration.” It has happened with all of them. Because God exists, He is there, it’s a fact. And the time has come for all of us to feel Him and know Him. By the way I went to Russia and the experiences of Russia, the whole thing, I won’t be able to tell you just now, but one thing I’ll tell you about that, that when I went there they said “We are also giving all freedom for people to worship.” So, I went to see a Church that was there, a very famous Church they have got, where there was one, say, Greek gentleman who started the Church and all that, of the Orthodox - who lives here in there (laughing) - Orthodox Christian Church. And actually, I was quite amazed because the person, the chief man there was the Bishop and all that, he came to see us and receive us - his Kundalini was absolutely frozen! (Laughter) And I was looking at all that. And very simple Russian people, all men and women, were there and praying you know, and there was some lights they had put up and all that. So, I also put up a light there - now all the lights started shaking with it (Laughter). Then my husband said, “Why did you put up a light when you did not believe in it?”. I said, “I did not believe in that gentleman, but the light, I believe in it”. (Laughter, laughing) And you see, I was amazed that this man was talking as if he was God! Actually! You know? (Laughter) That’s the way he was talking to me! And he said that, “Our government has allowed us to follow this path” and this and that. Now when I came out, one of the gentlemen who had invited us, he told us, “What do you think about it, Mrs. Shrivastava?” I said, “I’m not going to say anything about it, but what do you think about it?”. He said, “Don’t you think these are all silly people? They are doing no work. There are eighty monks. They are black coloured, they are black and white. The white are supposed to work and the black do not work. And these people do no work, they are parasites, they are sitting here, they are doing no work! And these poor Russians who are there - I mean, Russians are not that poor as we think them to be. They save their pocket money and give it to this institution to be run, and these eighty persons are saying that ‘We are praying, we are doing this’, and they are just doing no work and sitting there. We have allowed that. But do you think there is God in this place?”. I said, “God is everywhere”. He said, “Do you really believe in God?” I said, “Now this is the mistake you have committed. If somebody misuses the name of God, if he misuses the Bible or Christ or if he misuses any Temple or Church….” In India also, all these brahmins are thugs of the first order! Absolute thugs! Do you know what all things they are doing these days? Because now people have found them out. They are selling ganja! All of these people are thugs and most of these people who are preaching about religion have come to politics now. There’s a big politics going on, you see! Among Hindus, there’s a big fight, among Sikhs there’s a big fight, among Muslims there’s a big fight. Among themselves I’m telling you! On political basis. How can God be political? And naturally, I think, by seeing all this, you see, even in London, though, I mean, I must say, even in London, where we believe in God, I was surprised that only 26% people believe in God in this country! Out of which they said about 16% are people from outside and 10% are only Britishers who believe in God. Imagine, this is the condition! So, you have become atheist! And they are selling churches, and people are buying churches and making them into discotheques (laughter). Even in the church now, I was told, in front of our church they are going to put a discotheque there (laughter). So I asked, I said, “Why?” “Because they want to attract people”. Means there is nothing living in that religion. There’s nothing to offer. Nothing wrong with God or Christ or any one of these essences which are pure, absolutely pure. But mistake comes with the people who are supposed to be following that religion, supposed to be ruining that religion. And then when people see that, this is the reaction that “There is no God”. I mean, this is the greatest foolishness and stupidity where, I say that people have not used their brains to understand that anything can be misused and misguided; but why not keep yourself open to see if there is God or not? And there is! It’s a fact! It’s the only Truth. He is the only Truth, the rest is all illusion. One has to understand that this is so. In His name those who earn money are firstly stupid and secondly cunning — both ways. Stupid, because they don’t know that this money they are not going to carry with them, and they’ll be punished for that; and cunning, [because] from worldly ways they think they have been very clever. Very clever to go to hell faster! That’s what they have been doing. So all such people should not misguide you this way or that way. For example, they should not misguide you to say that, “There is no God because these horrible people are talking of God, they are telling about God, and how can there be God? If these people are the followers [of] God then there cannot be God.” This is one way of looking at it. Another way is to blindly follow these horrible people and not to see that they are horrible, how can they be godly? To confuse both these things I think is not wise. But to see that there is God and that you are the one who must get the experience of God, and you have to aspire for it and ask for it, for which He is working out Himself! He is anxious to do it much more than you are. A little cooperation, little hand just to be put into His hand who is standing in the boat to pull you out. Just a little cooperation and little patience with yourself and faith in yourself that God has created you in His image so that you may receive His complete blessings in His compassion and in His love. Thank you very much. May God bless you. Now for the people who have come for the first time, I would request them to come in the first or the second line so we can look after them and the rest of you please put your attention to your heart. That’s all right. You sit down. Those who have come [new] can come further on. Shri Mataji: How are you, David? David: Happy to be here. Shri Mataji: Hm? David: Happy to be here. Shri Mataji: What did he say? Yogis: Happy to be here. Shri Mataji: I’m also very happy. Yogini: Mother, when you said ‘Put your attention on your heart’ do you mean the heart chakra? ” Shri Mataji: You cannot feel heart. You cannot know heart chakra, nothing! When I say that, just say that, “I’m putting my attention to my Spirit,” that’s all. Your saying [that] is a mantra itself. You know now you are a realised-soul. You are an enlightened person, your desire is enlightened. And if you just say that ‘my attention is on my Spirit in my heart, in the organ of heart…’ You see now, whatever you say has a meaning. Do you understand? Whatever you say is enlightened now, there’s a light in it. Only thing is, if your attention is not all right still, then the light is still dim. If in the dim light, you see half things, but you do see. But if it is a bright light you can see it very clearly. So to brighten up the light, you just say that, “Let me be in my heart.” It works out, settles down, you see? As if you order your attention to be there. It just goes like a, like a sweet little baby you see. Sits down there, “All right, Mother, whatever you say.” Just say like that. Just try to feel your powers. What you say, how it works out. Even when you say mantras, these mantras are also enlightened. Any other question? Must ask me questions, you know. I don’t know what to say, what you are thinking about. Now ask me questions.” Question: Are Russians also willing… Shri Mataji: Hm? Questioner: Russians are also willing to worship God? Shri Mataji: Machines? Questioner: Russians. Yogini: Are the Russians willing… Shri Mataji: Russians? I gave realisation to twelve of them. Now you see, that’s a - thing is, even if they believe or not believe, has no meaning, isn’t it? You have seen what’s the use of believing in God. Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: But only thing I’ve seen in their system there’s one advantage and even disadvantage. As here is one disadvantage that acts in a funny way. For example, in their system, I have found out, whatever people may say, propagate, you see, whatever I’ve seen is that their material problems are very much solved, no doubt about it. You see? No doubt about it. They have no inflation problem, nothing. They are not worried about paying any taxation, anything. I mean… Yogi: No unemployment, You know. Shri Mataji: Hm? Yogi: No unemployment. Shri Mataji: No unemployment, no problem. Old age is solved, young age is solved. That attention is at – at right (unclear). This is an advantage. But disadvantage is – to keep that thing going, they have taken away the freedom of people, you see? Because of that, what happens, that freedom to think about God doesn’t exist. Though the attention is much looser. Here the freedom to think about God is there. But the attention is – how to get a bread? Tomorrow [the bread is] 1p increasing. What to do? How to pay your rates? How to pay this? All these problems. So the attention is more on these things. Apart from that, another thing which is not so common there, which is here, is immorality. Immorality, in a way. I mean, here all kinds of immoralities. There is a restriction on that, you see. I didn’t see anything [there], nudity and all that, all those things were not there. So our attention is even spoiled by that, you see. And I didn’t see men, women all the time looking at this, that, like that. I didn’t see their eyes [roving]. Their eyes were quite steady. Here you cannot find anyone. Anyone you see on the road he’ll be looking [everywhere]. I mean, I was a museum piece because with this, wearing a sari (laughing, laughter]. So naturally they were looking at me and in a way [it’s] good, because they were looking at my Agnya, so it was good for them! (Laughter) But on the whole, on the whole, they didn’t even have that kind of an attention looking at every woman who was passing by. Even if your neck breaks, see, they’ll go on looking, you know (laughter). All this stupidity was not there. It was quite a normal thing as a men and women do here, you see, and the women were not so much interested in keeping their figures, and to be attractive, and all that was not there. Nobody was extraordinarily clad like that. Very simple people, I must say: very simple, innocent. And moreover, the most of the things that they had, they were satisfied. A very cheap place, for everything it was very cheap. They don’t have material problems as we have. But to control all that they have got this taboo. Then, because of their foreign policies which people say is all wrong and all that they were I’ve not discussed that. But whatever it is, that also might be a guilt on them. May be. But the main thing is you have freedom to be nonsensical and they have no freedom to be sensible. Which one is better? Now you tell me. Sandor, what do you think? Which side is better? Sandor Elès (a Hungarian actor): I say it is most brilliant session that’s what I am experiencing! Shri Mataji: This is what it is, I really tell you. Sahaj Yogi: A very good analysis, very good analysis. Shri Mataji: So I don’t know which one to choose. May be the whole of Russia will become sahaja Yogi one day, when it will be established, you see. They know this. I have cured their President. This they know and about ten people came to see me for that. They had heart trouble, this and I am going to work it in my own way but, we have to understand that with restrictions we fight. We don’t like restriction. But, do we have sense to use our freedom? Do we have?” Sahaj Yogi: We have the beast in us. Shri Mataji: The beast in us you see. Really there’s a beast. Must be. The way it looks here and there. I just can’t understand. Moreover, everybody used to smile you know, smile at me. But when I first came to London, I must tell you they used to mock at Mine and I met many Indian Ladies who never wear this. I said, “Why are you not wearing?” they said, “We do not wear because everybody laughs at you.” There [in Russia] they appreciated. They wanted to know why I was wearing another [dress]. But here, everybody reduces it to zero. See everybody thinks they are wisest, you see. The dress they wear is the wisest, the face they have that is the best, everything they have is the best. They are not like that [in Russia]. But still, you have the freedom to choose. What a great thing it is? And also to choose the hell. I think you have too much responsibility. I wonder if you realise that, as if you are grown up people. Very wise. Do we deserve that freedom? We have to ask ourselves. What do we do with our freedom? They have restricted many things like alcohol by putting a very big taxation on them. So they cannot drink much. Every, all of them are heavily taxed. Cigarettes, everything, tobacco, so heavily taxed that they cannot just afford it but you’ll be amazed, for going five miles in on a tube it costs you four pennies, five miles in a tube and coming back any number of times. Once you buy the ticket you are in the tube, you can go one side any, any distance and if you see the tube stations, it’s just like palaces, just like palaces, you’ll be amazed. Every tube station, I saw at least four, five and Leningrad is the cleanest port I have ever seen. I’ve seen now thousands you know. I’ve travelled such a long. See, our sense of freedom is very funny also. For example, we’ll fight whether you should wear a red sari or a black sari. I mean something like that you know, really absolutely useless. So if you do not know how to use your freedom, it is too much. You see, if you put the load of an elephant on a donkey, what will happen? That’s what it is. Either we have to be elephants or we reduce our weights. This responsibility is too much. But with Sahaj Yoga you can do it. Now Sahaj Yoga is spreading more in the West, naturally not in Russia. But once Russians come up I’ll see in competition. That would be the ideal day when we’ll finish of all these problems of fear and quarrelling and all that, when I will see my Russian children and English and Americans, all of them, giving vibrations to each other that would be the greatest day of my life. It will solve all the problems, international problems and this these problems of politics and all this nonsense. And our politics also here is, you see, our freedom is what we are just fighting with each other [for]. What have we achieved out of it also? We waste so much of our energy on fighting, quarrelling. Politics is all right as long as you correct each other and do something progressive. But if it means static state you see everybody pulling one point. It is at a static point. What’s the use of such a politics also? So if freedom is given to you, you must know that there must be some reason and how are we using our freedom? Anything else? They all will be believing one day in God because they will have the experience. I’ve already started it. Sahaj Yogi: …on the seed.. Shri Mataji: I have raised their Kundalinis. Worked very hard. No doubt, it will work out. Human beings are difficult things you know. You want to solve a problem without restrictions of these nature, cannot be solved. Only way is Sahaj Yoga for the West. That’s the only way isn’t it? There’s no other way left, because now they are feeling the pinch of the materialism, they are understanding that matter does not give them joy and they are now getting rid of it and they are feeling that they have to seek something deeper. This is the advantage of it and this may also happen there. It is possible in a different way, it may happen. But now it has already happened to you, it’s happening. Now what are we doing about it? To God all of you are just the same whether Russian, English or American makes no difference. All were created by one God. He just created a beautiful map. He didn’t want you to make different countries and nations and act like criminals; this all your doing. You have done it. Now look at it! He didn’t do it. Any other question? Sahaj Yogi: Is God male or female? Shri Mataji: Now God is both. How can He be one? All right? God is one as a male and when He becomes male and female then the female is His power and God is the witness of His power. All right? First they are together. When they separate they become two. One is God Almighty who is the witness and His power, which creates. And He is the witness of Her play. You must read my article on Creation and there’s a lecture on Creation also. He must be having, you ask him to give you that. I used to speak about it long time back. With Douglas [Fry] has got a tape. He has lots of tapes and if you give him a tape he will fill for you and give it to you. You see, he’s got some arrangements. I don’t know what arrangements he has got. But you can get my tape on Creation. The Holy Ghost is a female. So God, the Holy Ghost and His Son. All this I have discussed in there. And when I was telling about the faith in God, what I was meaning is, that unless and until there is Yoga, you cannot get your kshema [well-being]. So those people who just tell you that, “Yes yes I have faith in God, God has been very helpful to me, He has done this for me and that for me.” Then you must know that it is just a myth. They are living with a certain myth. Unless and until there is yoga, there is meeting with God, you cannot get your well-being [kshema]. A well-being that comes to you is just a coincidence. But deliberately when it works out on you, it is when you have got your realisation. All right, let us have the new people and all of you. Please take out your shoes and put your feet, both of them, nicely on the ground. Now as I’ve told you it’s a happening. It’s not a thing that one can certify, “Yes yes you are realised.” I cannot even certify my own children. It has to happen. Then secondly is that you have to, once it is done, you have to nourish it, you have to look after it. You have to establish it, for which Sahaj Yoga is absolutely capable and I am working also very hard. I’ve cancelled my programme to America just to work on English people and also Europe. So let’s see how it works out. Please put your hands … You have to face it up to everything. There’s nothing to frighten of, everybody can be transformed. Every one of you can be transformed. So not to feel dejected for anything. Not to feel bad about it. Not to condemn yourself because this is the Temple created by God. Now close your eyes.… First of all you will feel thoughtlessly aware. means, there is no thought in your mind. But you are aware, coming from inside. Are you feeling? Frank? Thoughts, now, close your eyes. Because if you don’t close your eyes, the Kundalini won’t rise above Agnya. Without its rising above Agnya your thoughts cannot be stopped. So you have to close your eyes. There’s no mesmerism about it you see. Be little patient with yourself, it will work out. Now the second thing that happens when Kundalini pierces this fontanel bone area, that your start getting a cool breeze in your hands. You’re getting it now? Close your eyes, close your eyes, let it work out, let it work out. David, look at my Agnya… Just feel, is coming in your hand. Shri Mataji: Not feeling? You will feel it. Have patience, have patience, you will feel. Close your eyes, I am working it out for all of you. Just a second. It will work out. If it is not coming, it will come. See it’s a just a sprouting of your Kundalini. Isn’t it? It will take its own time. Are you getting it? Cool breeze in the hand? All right, close your eyes, close your eyes, just let it go. Let it go. Keep your attention absolutely free. Do not fix it upon to any point.	null	null	null	The Essence Within: Innocence, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 23 June 1980. Public Program (short) and talk to Sahaja Yogis. It’s a fact. It’s a thing you can see. It’s an actualisation. And we are so much lost in our own imaginations, in our own hallucinations and misguidance, that we cannot believe that there could be something factual about God. But if God is a fact, then even this happening has to happen within us, otherwise He doesn’t exist. If somebody’s an atheist it’s better in a way. Because he has not accepted anything blindfolded. But if somebody has accepted God with an open mind and has not followed some conjectures, is even better. But if you follow any conjecture like that, that there must be God - some people told me, "Yes Mother. God helps me a lot.” I said, “Really? How does He help you?” So the lady tells me “I got up in the morning and I prayed to God, ‘O God, look after my son!’, ” that’s all she could think of! That God should be only busy looking after her son, [as if] He has no other job! “So then, what happened?” “Then my son was coming by plane and there was some trouble in the plane, but he was saved. God helped me there! There is God.” But if something had happened to the boy, then what she would have said, I don’t know. So, to say that you are getting help from God, that God has helped you this way and that way, is too much to assume, I think. God does look after all of us. He is compassion, He is love, He has created us, He has made a beautiful human being out of us, within us He has placed all these centres, He has placed the Kundalini within us, and the Kundalini has to rise, you have to get realisation, all that is so, no doubt. All this has to work out. That’s also the truth is. But still, one must know that He is not in your hand, you are in His hand. There are many people who pray to God, "Give me promotion. O God, you have to give me promotion”. And then if He doesn’t give, “This God is not helpful to me! Why has He not given me promotion?” You should not cheapen God like that. God is the one Who is Almighty, Who has created all this Universe. He has created you, and He has created you for a purpose. And that purpose is something Supreme. That’s not ordinary purpose, the way you think Him to be, He is not an ordinary person. He is Supreme and He will give you something that is Supreme. Supposing you go to see some king, he will not give you 1p, will he? He may give you a diamond. But if you want to ask anything from God then you must ask for the Supreme! And what is the Supreme? The Supreme is to know Him. Unless and until you know your Self, you are not going to know Him. He has placed within you that instrument by which you first know your Self. Once you know your Self, through your Self you know Him. But the first important thing is that your attention has to be on Him. There’s a very different thing to have attention on God and to have a blind faith in God. These two things are absolutely far apart. To have faith in God means – I’ve already told you all the silly things we do in the name of faith. But to have your attention on God is to ask, “When am I going to be my Self? When are You going to accept me as a citizen of Your Kingdom? When are You going to use me as Your instrument, O Lord?” This should be your attention. If your attention is like that, and if you are really of pure nature about it, it will work out, it works out. This is the only thing that is needed in Sahaja Yoga, is a clean heart to ask for it, to desire for it. Those who have been ardently asking for it, they might have been misguided, gone to wrong path, they have done mistakes, they might have committed sins, whatever it is, but in the name of God, in the search of God, if they have been earnest, they have been granted realisation. They will get realisation, no doubt about it. Even otherwise, you’ll get Realisation. It's the Grace so overflowing these days. Even the worst sinners can get Realisation. But how to retain it, and how to ascend, is then your responsibility. So, this is for the newcomers today, because to go into all the chakras and all the centres is going to be too much. These people have already printed about all these things. But today as there are more Sahaja Yogis here, I have to tell something important about their becoming. Already I have spoken to you about becoming. But today, we have to understand one thing: that the essences within us — for example innocence — is absolutely pure. Within us it is absolutely pure. In its own form it is absolutely pure. But, when it is reflected through our medium, it gets soiled. The way you are, the way you express it, it gets spoiled. If you are a cunning person, the innocence cannot be manifested, it cannot be manifested. Your innocence, whatever God has placed within you is completely darkened because you cannot reflect it back. There is no manifestation about it. Why it happens? If you are pure, if you are all right, the innocence is all right, then why it is not manifested through you? Why this cunningness can stop that innocence or any other essences that are within you, which you know which exist on different chakras? We must think about it, why it happens. That even after Realisation, we cannot properly manifest our innocence, our primordial powers which are within us in absolute purest form. Why? What happens within us? The trouble is with our attention. When you became human beings, you were given full freedom to put your attention onto anything you wanted. Say, if you want, you can put your attention onto any subject. Say, I receive a telephone call. So I put my attention to it. Now, I can go on identifying with it, thinking about it; all my attention will be enveloped and I will not pay attention to anything else that is happening. The attention is so mobile, it has no base as if the whole thing, like a jelly, goes and gets attached to a thing. I mean, today, I received a letter from, say, Manila. And it’s a funny letter to me, I must say. The lady writes to me that, "my problem comes from Mr. So-and-so”. “All right, what is your problem?” “Is that, I have fallen in love with him, but he has fallen in love with another woman”. She sends all the way to me this letter! And, "I am just very unhappy, Mother, what am I to do? All my life is wasted, I don’t know what to do with myself, I’m just lost, he’s left me, that woman has played a tricks,” and all those things, etc, etc ... All right. So, I just thought – look at this woman. Where is her attention? Is this the meaning of her life to waste for any man who doesn’t care for her? She has no self-esteem! Why doesn’t she understand that God has not made her to waste her energy on these useless things? He has made her to enjoy life, to enjoy herself. Instead of knowing herself, why is she worried? Even if she marries such a wretched fellow who has run away with another woman, is he going to love her? I mean, it’s rationality also can tell you that this attention that she is wasting, she is crying, weeping, she said, “I’ll get tuberculosis.” She will! I mean if you waste your attention on foolish nonsensical things, what’s going to happen? So, this is how we put our attention onto absolutely useless things; sometimes onto very depraved things also. We may put our attention to anything that we think requires our attention. But do you have your self-esteem? If you have, then where should be your attention? It should be on your Self. Where is your Self now? It is God Almighty. Is a part of that Great Primordial Being. Your attention should be on That. After Realisation, your attention should be in your heart, on your Spirit, which is the part of God Almighty. If your attention is on your Spirit, you’ll be amazed, how your attention will act. You see, like a jelly which is attached to a point. It may little bit get disturbed, again it will settle down. Again, it will get little bit disturbed, it will settle down. It will not hang on to any point, and will not bother you. So to put all your essences properly, first of all, put your attention to your heart and to your Spirit, because that’s your absolute point which you have discovered. But it doesn’t happen with many people. The trouble is, when Kundalini rises, She gives two kinds of experiences. One is called as Shambhavi, another called as Shakti. Shambhavi is the feeling of the Shambhu, is the Shiva in the heart, means God Almighty. But the other is Shakti. Now with western people it is the other, because you know your problems. You have used your powers for all kinds of ramblings in your mental efforts. Everything [Everyone] will sit down. “All right, let us discuss Realisation!” What are you going to discuss? What are you going to discuss about Realisation? Did you get your Realisation by discussion? You have to meditate! You have to go within yourselves. See your growth, work out within! You cannot talk about it, you cannot discuss it, you cannot argue about it – it is within! Because of these ramblings, we go up to the shakti point. But Shambhu’s we do not reach. But in the East where people are not that much intelligent, that well-educated and sophisticated, I would say - simple people, it goes just there. And they just enjoy. If you show them any book, written about Sahaja Yoga — for example Gregoire’s book (The Advent by Gregoire de Kalbermatten) — they’ll say, “Mother, we don’t want it, to read, we don’t understand this.” They are just there! They are now there. What is there now? It’s flowing through our body, everything we know it’s there. Why should we bother about these things and all the controversies and dogmas, and what all the Churches have told you, and why they have failed and why this religion has failed? Who is bothered? So these problems come up. Because their attention has been on the Spirit alone. Simple people have that capacity. So now forgetting everything else, all your intelligence, all your books and education and all that you have had – forget it. And just put your attention to your heart, where lies the connection with God Almighty. If your attention is there, you will be surprised that your attention will be stabilised. Not only that it will be stabilised, but the source of joy is that and you will start feeling that joy. In essences, even the primordial Master’s essence which is called as ‘Guru Tattwa’ is absolutely pure. Now most of the Sahaja Yogis who are here, are very great Sahaja Yogis and I salute to them. But they must try to put their Guru Tattwa all right: means their manifestation of Guru Tattwa will be always affected by their own ramblings. So, they have to work very hard, in the beginning, to put it right. Ha! If you do not want to be of that level it’s all right, you can go ahead. It’s all right. But if you really want to do it, then you must know that after realisation you have to work hard, before realisation I will work hard. Even after I have to work hard. What to do? You know that, I’ve been working very hard, even after Realisation. But if you want to co-operate and help yourself, then you have to put your attention in such a way that — every problem comes in – you go to your heart, not to your brain. Any question comes in, go to your heart, there resides the blessings of God. And you will be surprised how it will be solved. That’s why I said, “Go into thoughtless awareness.” That is the quality of heart, because heart doesn’t think. You go to your heart, means you put your attention to your Spirit. Now, if you become a Guru for example, as a Sahaj Yogi also. Supposing you are a Guru of Sahaj Yoga. You are, most of you, because the Kundalini moves under your hands, you have so many powers, you can raise others’ Kundalini, you can give realisation to people and you can find out the problems of other people, you have cured many people. I agree, you are great people, no doubt, great saints. But to go further, to perfect yourself, we have to understand certain points, that Guru Tattwa itself can be manifested best if the Guru Himself realises the responsibility of being a Guru. For example, a Guru is still, say, smoking. He cannot become a Guru, even after realisation. Because his disciple will also smoke. So Vishuddhi will never be all right. Supposing this Guru is so much worried about, still, about money matters. Say, attention is still hanging on, because this is like a jelly I said, still certain ramblings are there in money matters. So His disciples will be also all the time worried about money matters. I have found this! There was a very good Sahaj Yogi, who gave realisation to at least a thousand people, at least a thousand. And he was very fond of taking tobacco. I knew he used to take tobacco, but I never told him, you see; whenever we walked from one centre to another centre he would go back and I knew he was taking that tobacco (laughter), I didn’t say anything to him. I said, “Let us see now”. But Sahaja Yoga is a wonderful thing, it’s a great corrector. So one day he came and told me - I said if I tell him, “Don’t take tambaku!” He’ll say somebody has told me and there will be a big guess work going on — “Who has reported to Mother? Why this has happened, that has happened,” so I just kept quiet. One day he came and told me that,“Mother, I don’t know what has happened. When I sit before Your photograph, my face starts becoming like a Hanumana. I feel it’s becoming bigger, bigger, bigger and expanding, expanding like that. What is it?” I said, “Really? Surprising! (Laughter) Now must be some reason, must you be doing something wrong.” “No, nothing like that!” “Vishuddhi!” I said, “This is Vishuddhi. You are going against the Viraat, so He is showing you His style!” He said, “No Mother, I’m doing nothing wrong, You know, I’m sure of it!” “Are you sure?” He said, “Now I must confess to You Mother, I take this tobacco”. I said, “I knew that. Now try to give it up”. He said, “How?” I said, “It is very simple! You just try this: whenever you feel like smoking or taking the tobacco in, you look at your heart, you become thoughtless. After all, all habits are communicated to you through thought. If you just look at your habits - remember only this much! That watch your heart, watch your Spirit, or think of me or do whatever is Sahaj Yoga tells you. For one second even if you do it, you’ll forget about it.” And he got rid of it! Because you have to depend on that stability which is within you. Once you feel the stability, you just forget about it. Because you feel unstable, that’s why you take to these things. But if you can feel your stability then you’ll say, “Go to hell! I don’t care for all these things, why should I bother? I’m not going to enslave myself for these things”. And he got rid of it. So one has to work it out. It’s very important for all the Sahaj Yogis to do it. Now I’ve seen many Sahaj Yogis who came to me were, I should say, they didn’t believe in any work. They were anti-culture people. For example I’m just saying, they were anti-culture. So they never believed in working, they said, “No, nothing doing, we are not going to work, we are not going to accumulate any money”. All right. Then when they came to Sahaj Yoga, I said, “In Sahaja Yoga, you have to work. You cannot sit idle, you have to work. You have to be in the centre. You have to work for yourself. No Guru is going to earn any money in this and so you have to work. Everybody has to work”. So, when they started working, some of them, became so adheringly [adherently] possessive of their jobs that they had no time for meditation. They had no time for thinking about it. Then they became mad like that. Then it started reacting and they came to me, they said, "Mother, why is it happening?” I said, “I told you to work, but I didn’t tell you that you become a workman! You are a Sahaj Yogi out and out. You have to work for your livelihood. Keep down that working speed”. Now if somebody has to work for his livelihood, then you must think that you should be satisfied. No end to your working is there, to your accumulating of money. And what people have got out of money? You knew this, when you had given up all these nonsensical ideas about money, then you knew this. Then suddenly why have you taken it up again? Anybody who is in Sahaja Yoga must know that you have to be temperate. That is the basis, that is the absolute fundamental thing of Sahaj Yoga. Nothing to be overdone in Sahaj Yoga. You have to be in absolutely temperance. For example, if I tell somebody, “You are very thin, you have to eat more, and have little weight in you.” So then you will eat like an elephant and live like an elephant. If I tell them, “You are very fat, a little bit you can reduce your habits of food, reduce yourself a little,” then he will come out like a TB patient. I mean, I must tell you that going to extremes should be only possible when you are not attached to something. But now you are attached to your Spirit! You are attached to your God! And how can you go to any extremes? If I tell them, all right, even doing meditation, that, “Do meditation!” then the whole night they will sit down for meditation. I never said so! (Laughter) I said you must look after your health! But get up in the morning, do your meditation, think about God. All the time, you think about God as far as possible. But that doesn’t mean the whole night you keep awake. You have to be temperate to begin with. Gradually the wisdom will be so powerful and so enlightening that you, yourself, will see what is right, what is wrong, how far you are going. It is so much necessary. Because the fruits of Sahaja Yoga, to me, is that you should feel joyous. To me it is - that’s all! - that you should feel absolutely in the kingdom of heaven. That you should feel you are now absolutely secured and nobody can disturb you. There is within you, is all the power, there’s nothing to look for. For example, till this light is burnt, it is shaking, it is doing all kinds of things. Once it is lighted it gives light. It knows its responsibility. It gives light. In the same way, I want you to be absolutely contented within yourself so that you manifest that light outside. Give light to others, without any effort. It will emit, it will emit. Unless and until that happens, no use becoming a Guru in Sahaja Yoga. And I’ve seen with people. There are some people who are very ardent, extremely ardent and they feel very much about Sahaja Yoga that they have found out the truth, that the whole world should get it, they should have it and the whole world should manifest it, the whole world must be saved. But I must tell you very frankly, the whole world is not going to be saved. Most of it will be. But how do you expect Hitler to be saved? We must accept that part that the whole world is not going to be saved. When the flower becomes a fruit, lot of it goes out of existence. That’s the part of evolution. So there is no need to be frantic about it. But you have to face reality as it is and you have to solve the problem most radically, pragmatically, and not just to get frantic about it and get upset. As I had told you last time, that if there’s a problem in the other room, better go, see for yourself, face it and solve it. Sitting down here, what’s the use of jumping, “There’s a problem in the other room”? (Laughter) That’s a typical way of escape of human beings is, that they’ll be jumping in this room, or will be worried, or will lie down in their easy chairs and say “Oh! We are finished because there’s a problem in the other room.” (Laughter) So, the best thing is to go in the other room, see for yourself what is the problem is, and face it like a human being, and then solve it. That is the way you have to look at things. Once you start facing it yourself the whole thing, you’ll be amazed how powerful you are, because you have not used your powers so far. Any problem comes in, just face it yourself. Unless and until a ship is put to its test in the sea, how you will know how far it is seaworthy or not? In the same way after Sahaj Yoga, you test yourself, “Let’s see what happens. Let’s see what happens.” And you’ll be amazed at your own powers. Actually people have faith in Sahaja Yoga, no doubt, but they do not have faith in themselves. This is what I’m telling you that you must have faith in yourself. You have got realisation, no doubt. You are Realised souls, no doubt. I say you are. Even if the king comes to me and says, “I’m Realised”, I can tell on his face “No, you are not.” But you are realised souls, and the whole Divine power, the All-pervading Power, all the powers of God and all the angels of the world are looking after you because you are aware. You are the most important thing for the Divine. The whole thing, all this, is all a waste and nothing, of no use, to the Divine. You are the people who are to be lifted up. So must know that we have to have faith in ourselves. For doing anything, you must know that you must have faith in yourself, so that you stand up to it. And every time you’ll be surprised, any waves comes up, you ride over it. Every wave comes up you ride over it. But just feel what powers you have got. These powers are within you already inherent. Say we’ll take the question of now Guru tattwa because today I am more on Guru tattwa. There was a boy, a Sikh boy who came to see me. He was a very good boy. He came to see me and he said that, “Mother, we are all followers of Guru Nanak, but somehow I am not convinced about the way Sikhism is going on. And Kabira has said in our Granth Sahib that you should get your realisation and I haven’t got it. Then how long are we to go on taking the name of God?” And I was surprised at his alertness about things - that you have to have experience of God. I said, “All right, it’s a very good idea.” And he got his realisation. And he is a young boy, very young boy. But when he got it, just like, “Eureka! Eureka!” he went to his people. He told all the Sikh people, “What are you doing here? Come along, there is a way, about what Nanaka has said. There is a way to get it. Why don’t you get it all of you?” And he brought so many! And he used to speak! People said, “Mother, we could not believe this boy could speak”. They said he used to speak so well and whatever he had heard you know, he said that really, they used to read Granth Sahib to him. “When” - he said - “I was half asleep, I used to be tired, they would read two and half days continuously I would be tired. But somehow, all these things that they read, they came to me.” And he would recite all these poems and everything, and he was telling about how Nanaka was saying about Sahaja Yoga. People were amazed at his things and so many Sikh people came to me because of him. All, his own father, mother, everybody. This is what one has to do! If you really care for other people also, you have to go and tell them, “This is not the way, find the real, find the real.” Now if the time has come for us to get something - we have been praying, we have been going to Churches, we’ve been going to Temples, we have been doing all this — now why are, why are we doing it? But they get so much used to it, that [if] you tell them, “Now stop, you have done quite a lot, now you have your thing”, they’ll say, “No, we’ll still do the same thing.” It’s a matter of habit. For a Guru it is important to be higher than other people. If he is not, that cannot work out. You Sahaj Yogis have to be people of higher outward manifestation. Inside you are, but outward manifestation has to be higher. You have to be humbler people, kinder people, sweeter people, loving people, compassionate, understanding that you were there, where they are today; joyous people and cheerful people. Otherwise nobody is going to believe what is happening in the Kundalini inside, because whatever is happening is happening, you cannot see that. It is important that it should be evident on your face, in your behaviour, in everything. For that you have to understand that you have to stabilise your attention at the lotus feet of God. This is called as ‘Sharanagati’ — surrendering. By surrendering, by worshipping, by bhakti, by singing songs, by absolutely settling yourself at the lotus feet of God Almighty, that’s the only way you are going to achieve it. After Realisation only, you have the entry into the Kingdom of God. Before that, whatever you try has no meaning. Muslims do all the Namaz, morning till evening — do not get anything! But we had some Muslims, you know that. Once he started after Realisation, he said, “Every time I bend I get vibrations. Every time I say Allah’s name I get vibration.” It has happened with all of them. Because God exists, He is there, it’s a fact. And the time has come for all of us to feel Him and know Him. By the way I went to Russia and the experiences of Russia, the whole thing, I won’t be able to tell you just now, but one thing I’ll tell you about that, that when I went there they said “We are also giving all freedom for people to worship.” So, I went to see a Church that was there, a very famous Church they have got, where there was one, say, Greek gentleman who started the Church and all that, of the Orthodox - who lives here in there (laughing) - Orthodox Christian Church. And actually, I was quite amazed because the person, the chief man there was the Bishop and all that, he came to see us and receive us - his Kundalini was absolutely frozen! (Laughter) And I was looking at all that. And very simple Russian people, all men and women, were there and praying you know, and there was some lights they had put up and all that. So, I also put up a light there - now all the lights started shaking with it (Laughter). Then my husband said, “Why did you put up a light when you did not believe in it?”. I said, “I did not believe in that gentleman, but the light, I believe in it”. (Laughter, laughing) And you see, I was amazed that this man was talking as if he was God! Actually! You know? (Laughter) That’s the way he was talking to me! And he said that, “Our government has allowed us to follow this path” and this and that. Now when I came out, one of the gentlemen who had invited us, he told us, “What do you think about it, Mrs. Shrivastava?” I said, “I’m not going to say anything about it, but what do you think about it?”. He said, “Don’t you think these are all silly people? They are doing no work. There are eighty monks. They are black coloured, they are black and white. The white are supposed to work and the black do not work. And these people do no work, they are parasites, they are sitting here, they are doing no work! And these poor Russians who are there - I mean, Russians are not that poor as we think them to be. They save their pocket money and give it to this institution to be run, and these eighty persons are saying that ‘We are praying, we are doing this’, and they are just doing no work and sitting there. We have allowed that. But do you think there is God in this place?”. I said, “God is everywhere”. He said, “Do you really believe in God?” I said, “Now this is the mistake you have committed. If somebody misuses the name of God, if he misuses the Bible or Christ or if he misuses any Temple or Church….” In India also, all these brahmins are thugs of the first order! Absolute thugs! Do you know what all things they are doing these days? Because now people have found them out. They are selling ganja! All of these people are thugs and most of these people who are preaching about religion have come to politics now. There’s a big politics going on, you see! Among Hindus, there’s a big fight, among Sikhs there’s a big fight, among Muslims there’s a big fight. Among themselves I’m telling you! On political basis. How can God be political? And naturally, I think, by seeing all this, you see, even in London, though, I mean, I must say, even in London, where we believe in God, I was surprised that only 26% people believe in God in this country! Out of which they said about 16% are people from outside and 10% are only Britishers who believe in God. Imagine, this is the condition! So, you have become atheist! And they are selling churches, and people are buying churches and making them into discotheques (laughter). Even in the church now, I was told, in front of our church they are going to put a discotheque there (laughter). So I asked, I said, “Why?” “Because they want to attract people”. Means there is nothing living in that religion. There’s nothing to offer. Nothing wrong with God or Christ or any one of these essences which are pure, absolutely pure. But mistake comes with the people who are supposed to be following that religion, supposed to be ruining that religion. And then when people see that, this is the reaction that “There is no God”. I mean, this is the greatest foolishness and stupidity where, I say that people have not used their brains to understand that anything can be misused and misguided; but why not keep yourself open to see if there is God or not? And there is! It’s a fact! It’s the only Truth. He is the only Truth, the rest is all illusion. One has to understand that this is so. In His name those who earn money are firstly stupid and secondly cunning — both ways. Stupid, because they don’t know that this money they are not going to carry with them, and they’ll be punished for that; and cunning, [because] from worldly ways they think they have been very clever. Very clever to go to hell faster! That’s what they have been doing. So all such people should not misguide you this way or that way. For example, they should not misguide you to say that, “There is no God because these horrible people are talking of God, they are telling about God, and how can there be God? If these people are the followers [of] God then there cannot be God.” This is one way of looking at it. Another way is to blindly follow these horrible people and not to see that they are horrible, how can they be godly? To confuse both these things I think is not wise. But to see that there is God and that you are the one who must get the experience of God, and you have to aspire for it and ask for it, for which He is working out Himself! He is anxious to do it much more than you are. A little cooperation, little hand just to be put into His hand who is standing in the boat to pull you out. Just a little cooperation and little patience with yourself and faith in yourself that God has created you in His image so that you may receive His complete blessings in His compassion and in His love. Thank you very much. May God bless you. Now for the people who have come for the first time, I would request them to come in the first or the second line so we can look after them and the rest of you please put your attention to your heart. That’s all right. You sit down. Those who have come [new] can come further on. Shri Mataji: How are you, David? David: Happy to be here. Shri Mataji: Hm? David: Happy to be here. Shri Mataji: What did he say? Yogis: Happy to be here. Shri Mataji: I’m also very happy. Yogini: Mother, when you said ‘Put your attention on your heart’ do you mean the heart chakra? ” Shri Mataji: You cannot feel heart. You cannot know heart chakra, nothing! When I say that, just say that, “I’m putting my attention to my Spirit,” that’s all. Your saying [that] is a mantra itself. You know now you are a realised-soul. You are an enlightened person, your desire is enlightened. And if you just say that ‘my attention is on my Spirit in my heart, in the organ of heart…’ You see now, whatever you say has a meaning. Do you understand? Whatever you say is enlightened now, there’s a light in it. Only thing is, if your attention is not all right still, then the light is still dim. If in the dim light, you see half things, but you do see. But if it is a bright light you can see it very clearly. So to brighten up the light, you just say that, “Let me be in my heart.” It works out, settles down, you see? As if you order your attention to be there. It just goes like a, like a sweet little baby you see. Sits down there, “All right, Mother, whatever you say.” Just say like that. Just try to feel your powers. What you say, how it works out. Even when you say mantras, these mantras are also enlightened. Any other question? Must ask me questions, you know. I don’t know what to say, what you are thinking about. Now ask me questions.” Question: Are Russians also willing… Shri Mataji: Hm? Questioner: Russians are also willing to worship God? Shri Mataji: Machines? Questioner: Russians. Yogini: Are the Russians willing… Shri Mataji: Russians? I gave realisation to twelve of them. Now you see, that’s a - thing is, even if they believe or not believe, has no meaning, isn’t it? You have seen what’s the use of believing in God. Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: But only thing I’ve seen in their system there’s one advantage and even disadvantage. As here is one disadvantage that acts in a funny way. For example, in their system, I have found out, whatever people may say, propagate, you see, whatever I’ve seen is that their material problems are very much solved, no doubt about it. You see? No doubt about it. They have no inflation problem, nothing. They are not worried about paying any taxation, anything. I mean… Yogi: No unemployment, You know. Shri Mataji: Hm? Yogi: No unemployment. Shri Mataji: No unemployment, no problem. Old age is solved, young age is solved. That attention is at – at right (unclear). This is an advantage. But disadvantage is – to keep that thing going, they have taken away the freedom of people, you see? Because of that, what happens, that freedom to think about God doesn’t exist. Though the attention is much looser. Here the freedom to think about God is there. But the attention is – how to get a bread? Tomorrow [the bread is] 1p increasing. What to do? How to pay your rates? How to pay this? All these problems. So the attention is more on these things. Apart from that, another thing which is not so common there, which is here, is immorality. Immorality, in a way. I mean, here all kinds of immoralities. There is a restriction on that, you see. I didn’t see anything [there], nudity and all that, all those things were not there. So our attention is even spoiled by that, you see. And I didn’t see men, women all the time looking at this, that, like that. I didn’t see their eyes [roving]. Their eyes were quite steady. Here you cannot find anyone. Anyone you see on the road he’ll be looking [everywhere]. I mean, I was a museum piece because with this, wearing a sari (laughing, laughter]. So naturally they were looking at me and in a way [it’s] good, because they were looking at my Agnya, so it was good for them! (Laughter) But on the whole, on the whole, they didn’t even have that kind of an attention looking at every woman who was passing by. Even if your neck breaks, see, they’ll go on looking, you know (laughter). All this stupidity was not there. It was quite a normal thing as a men and women do here, you see, and the women were not so much interested in keeping their figures, and to be attractive, and all that was not there. Nobody was extraordinarily clad like that. Very simple people, I must say: very simple, innocent. And moreover, the most of the things that they had, they were satisfied. A very cheap place, for everything it was very cheap. They don’t have material problems as we have. But to control all that they have got this taboo. Then, because of their foreign policies which people say is all wrong and all that they were I’ve not discussed that. But whatever it is, that also might be a guilt on them. May be. But the main thing is you have freedom to be nonsensical and they have no freedom to be sensible. Which one is better? Now you tell me. Sandor, what do you think? Which side is better? Sandor Elès (a Hungarian actor): I say it is most brilliant session that’s what I am experiencing! Shri Mataji: This is what it is, I really tell you. Sahaj Yogi: A very good analysis, very good analysis. Shri Mataji: So I don’t know which one to choose. May be the whole of Russia will become sahaja Yogi one day, when it will be established, you see. They know this. I have cured their President. This they know and about ten people came to see me for that. They had heart trouble, this and I am going to work it in my own way but, we have to understand that with restrictions we fight. We don’t like restriction. But, do we have sense to use our freedom? Do we have?” Sahaj Yogi: We have the beast in us. Shri Mataji: The beast in us you see. Really there’s a beast. Must be. The way it looks here and there. I just can’t understand. Moreover, everybody used to smile you know, smile at me. But when I first came to London, I must tell you they used to mock at Mine and I met many Indian Ladies who never wear this. I said, “Why are you not wearing?” they said, “We do not wear because everybody laughs at you.” There [in Russia] they appreciated. They wanted to know why I was wearing another [dress]. But here, everybody reduces it to zero. See everybody thinks they are wisest, you see. The dress they wear is the wisest, the face they have that is the best, everything they have is the best. They are not like that [in Russia]. But still, you have the freedom to choose. What a great thing it is? And also to choose the hell. I think you have too much responsibility. I wonder if you realise that, as if you are grown up people. Very wise. Do we deserve that freedom? We have to ask ourselves. What do we do with our freedom? They have restricted many things like alcohol by putting a very big taxation on them. So they cannot drink much. Every, all of them are heavily taxed. Cigarettes, everything, tobacco, so heavily taxed that they cannot just afford it but you’ll be amazed, for going five miles in on a tube it costs you four pennies, five miles in a tube and coming back any number of times. Once you buy the ticket you are in the tube, you can go one side any, any distance and if you see the tube stations, it’s just like palaces, just like palaces, you’ll be amazed. Every tube station, I saw at least four, five and Leningrad is the cleanest port I have ever seen. I’ve seen now thousands you know. I’ve travelled such a long. See, our sense of freedom is very funny also. For example, we’ll fight whether you should wear a red sari or a black sari. I mean something like that you know, really absolutely useless. So if you do not know how to use your freedom, it is too much. You see, if you put the load of an elephant on a donkey, what will happen? That’s what it is. Either we have to be elephants or we reduce our weights. This responsibility is too much. But with Sahaj Yoga you can do it. Now Sahaj Yoga is spreading more in the West, naturally not in Russia. But once Russians come up I’ll see in competition. That would be the ideal day when we’ll finish of all these problems of fear and quarrelling and all that, when I will see my Russian children and English and Americans, all of them, giving vibrations to each other that would be the greatest day of my life. It will solve all the problems, international problems and this these problems of politics and all this nonsense. And our politics also here is, you see, our freedom is what we are just fighting with each other [for]. What have we achieved out of it also? We waste so much of our energy on fighting, quarrelling. Politics is all right as long as you correct each other and do something progressive. But if it means static state you see everybody pulling one point. It is at a static point. What’s the use of such a politics also? So if freedom is given to you, you must know that there must be some reason and how are we using our freedom? Anything else? They all will be believing one day in God because they will have the experience. I’ve already started it. Sahaj Yogi: …on the seed.. Shri Mataji: I have raised their Kundalinis. Worked very hard. No doubt, it will work out. Human beings are difficult things you know. You want to solve a problem without restrictions of these nature, cannot be solved. Only way is Sahaj Yoga for the West. That’s the only way isn’t it? There’s no other way left, because now they are feeling the pinch of the materialism, they are understanding that matter does not give them joy and they are now getting rid of it and they are feeling that they have to seek something deeper. This is the advantage of it and this may also happen there. It is possible in a different way, it may happen. But now it has already happened to you, it’s happening. Now what are we doing about it? To God all of you are just the same whether Russian, English or American makes no difference. All were created by one God. He just created a beautiful map. He didn’t want you to make different countries and nations and act like criminals; this all your doing. You have done it. Now look at it! He didn’t do it. Any other question? Sahaj Yogi: Is God male or female? Shri Mataji: Now God is both. How can He be one? All right? God is one as a male and when He becomes male and female then the female is His power and God is the witness of His power. All right? First they are together. When they separate they become two. One is God Almighty who is the witness and His power, which creates. And He is the witness of Her play. You must read my article on Creation and there’s a lecture on Creation also. He must be having, you ask him to give you that. I used to speak about it long time back. With Douglas [Fry] has got a tape. He has lots of tapes and if you give him a tape he will fill for you and give it to you. You see, he’s got some arrangements. I don’t know what arrangements he has got. But you can get my tape on Creation. The Holy Ghost is a female. So God, the Holy Ghost and His Son. All this I have discussed in there. And when I was telling about the faith in God, what I was meaning is, that unless and until there is Yoga, you cannot get your kshema [well-being]. So those people who just tell you that, “Yes yes I have faith in God, God has been very helpful to me, He has done this for me and that for me.” Then you must know that it is just a myth. They are living with a certain myth. Unless and until there is yoga, there is meeting with God, you cannot get your well-being [kshema]. A well-being that comes to you is just a coincidence. But deliberately when it works out on you, it is when you have got your realisation. All right, let us have the new people and all of you. Please take out your shoes and put your feet, both of them, nicely on the ground. Now as I’ve told you it’s a happening. It’s not a thing that one can certify, “Yes yes you are realised.” I cannot even certify my own children. It has to happen. Then secondly is that you have to, once it is done, you have to nourish it, you have to look after it. You have to establish it, for which Sahaj Yoga is absolutely capable and I am working also very hard. I’ve cancelled my programme to America just to work on English people and also Europe. So let’s see how it works out. Please put your hands … You have to face it up to everything. There’s nothing to frighten of, everybody can be transformed. Every one of you can be transformed. So not to feel dejected for anything. Not to feel bad about it. Not to condemn yourself because this is the Temple created by God. Now close your eyes.… First of all you will feel thoughtlessly aware. means, there is no thought in your mind. But you are aware, coming from inside. Are you feeling? Frank? Thoughts, now, close your eyes. Because if you don’t close your eyes, the Kundalini won’t rise above Agnya. Without its rising above Agnya your thoughts cannot be stopped. So you have to close your eyes. There’s no mesmerism about it you see. Be little patient with yourself, it will work out. Now the second thing that happens when Kundalini pierces this fontanel bone area, that your start getting a cool breeze in your hands. You’re getting it now? Close your eyes, close your eyes, let it work out, let it work out. David, look at my Agnya… Just feel, is coming in your hand. Shri Mataji: Not feeling? You will feel it. Have patience, have patience, you will feel. Close your eyes, I am working it out for all of you. Just a second. It will work out. If it is not coming, it will come. See it’s a just a sprouting of your Kundalini. Isn’t it? It will take its own time. Are you getting it? Cool breeze in the hand? All right, close your eyes, close your eyes, just let it go. Let it go. Keep your attention absolutely free. Do not fix it upon to any point.
6/29/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6724	Talk to Sahaja Yogis: How To Prove The Existence Of God	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	46	Advice to yogis, ” How to prove God exists”. Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK), 29 June 1980. Now the question he asked me was, in the nature of an enquiry of a person who wants to find out, what is the proof that there is God. How are we to convince people, what is God? That we have to achieve something, as far as God is concerned? How are we to convince them that we have got all these centers within us and that you have to achieve that realization? And also how are we to prove to others that you have achieved your realization? This is the question which everyone who is not yet a fully Sahaja Yogi would feel and ask you questions and you should have answers to it. The first and foremost question is how do we prove that there is God? Because you assumed that there is God because somebody has said, “There is God.” Now what are the ways of proving this, that there is God? So we have to attack the question, first from the reasoning point of view that we should be able to tell people that there is God through reason, not through experiencing because they are to be prepared for it . There will be many who really do not believe in God but just out of fashion they’re saying, “All right we accept” because they want to keep up peace and the compromise. But how you start about convincing them rationally? Perhaps I spoke in one of My lectures if you have that, I don’t know if you have got it. But we can prove it – the existence of God. You may call it God or nature or whatever it is, from many points of view. For example in short we can say, “There are many scientific things we cannot explain”. We cannot explain how the periodic laws were established without somebody being there. Periodic laws of chemical substances or the elements that exist on this Earth is so regular and so properly plotted down that you can see there must be some plotter otherwise it cannot be done. I mean if you want to avoid it, you can avoid it but there must be someone. Say we come in this room and find everything properly organized, lit up and we should know there must be somebody who has done it. Then a very good example is given by a very good French biologist [De Noüy], he says that if you use law of chance, the law of chance states that – if you have got fifty red pebbles and fifty white pebbles put in a jar and if you shake that jar it goes into a chaotic condition and the distribution of these pebbles is in a chaotic way. To bring them back to their normal condition of having the red on one side and the white on the other side, you go on shaking it as many times as you like and they have found out – there’s minimum of minimum so many times it has to be done, otherwise it cannot be worked out. This is all done by chance. You see by chance when it has to come to normal condition. How many chances you have to take? There’s a certain amount of a formula. Something raised to power ‘n’, call it ‘n’. So as a biologist he tried to calculate that if matter has to become ‘ living,’ then to get to that density, how many years are required by the law of chance to bring forth a living cell – one cell? And he found out that billions and billions and billions of years, if this law of chance works out then only one unicellular animal can be created. But in this short time from when the Earth receded from the Sun and then cooled down and then life came into being, then human beings were created who are very complicated. It is such a short time, compared to that time which is required by chance, that he has proved mathematically that it is an impossibility, it cannot happen. It is that fantastic. This is a scientific very good proof of a biologist that there is somebody, a juggler, who is doing that job. You may call Him ‘God’; you may call Him ‘Nature’ whatever is, but the nature thinks. People like Yung have proved the existence of collective consciousness. The existence of unconscious, which gives us dreams through which we get universal symbols. All over the world whether we are in India or in England or anywhere. The symbols are the same and he has done experiments with thousands of people. On the medical science also one can say as you know that one of the arguments we put in for is that acetylene and adrenaline which are two chemicals when they are in the body – human body, they act very arbitrarily. Means they have to augment – mean to contract or to relax. Those who relax must relax; those who have to contract must contract. But those who are supposed to be contracting relax, while those who are supposed to be relaxing contract. So they have not been able to explain and they have written, all of the doctors, they say that the mode of conduct of these chemicals in the body one cannot say. Another thing is that one of the very very important arguments that people have given is this that supposing a foreign body goes inside the human body, there’s always a tendency to throw it out as soon as possible. Supposing something goes into your throat, you cough out. Supposing something goes in the blood, they will try to throw it away. That’s the system it is. But when the fetus is formed in the body, then not only it is kept there, it is nurtured, looked after and thrown out at the right time. How can you explain that? There are thousand and one explanations people have tried to give but none of them are satisfactory. Then this Earth is spinning with such a speed and we are kept glued to this Earth, we never even feel the speed. And so many things like that people have been able to say and the so many scientists have felt that, there is some force which is beyond us which is very dynamic, which acts in such dynamic ways that we cannot explain. So we come to a point where we tell people that there is some force which we have to discover. Now then as Sahaja Yogis you can say that this hankering to seek. After a certain level of evolution because some people do not have at all seeking, you know that. They are just seeking food – to eat just like animals. Some people are seeking power. Some people are seeking money also. But there are so many people who are seeking something beyond. This seeking has come to us and this seeking that has come to us has led us to some sort of a path by which we should find out. Now you have seen with your naked eyes, a Kundalini rising at My Feet. You have seen the pulsation of the Kundalini taking place. That nobody can do. There is no mesmerism, nothing. When the Kundalini rises, with the stethoscope you can feel the rising of the Kundalini. With the rising of Kundalini you have known that we have cured people of different diseases. Even a person who was just dying, whom doctor had decided that they are dead and to be buried very soon, have been cured. And it is so dynamic, the dynamism I’ll tell you. It’s so dynamic – like we can take the case of Eddy’s brother. That he was so very sick and they said, “He has got blood cancer, he’s going to die within eight days”. I mean he just told Me this, that’s all and he’s cured. Then Linda told Me that her mother was always angry with Peter. [Mother speaks aside – “Where is she gone? Where is she? Linda!”] – So she told Me that the mother would never talk to Peter, she was very angry with him always, she would never talk to him. But she told Me all these things and suddenly she found that now she’s become very good and congenial and nice and talking. You have seen such transformations coming among many, many, many people. How people are changing, transforming, this is absolutely dynamic; you cannot do it. So many sick people are suddenly cured only through attention you know. There must be something about it and that is how you have to convince people about Sahaja. But after getting realization you just see the Kundalini, you see the rising of the Kundalini. You also feel the vibrating force of Kundalini. You also see how you got cured, how you got out of your problems. How you were in trouble? What problems you had? You had seen all these things and these things happen to you also. Some of you were drug addicts, some of you were suffering from some mental troubles. Some were having physical problems. All these, you see, are cured and you are much better people now. This has happened to you very easily without much effort being put into. It is not possible to get rid of these things easily. Definitely you can raise the Kundalini, you can feel the Kundalini. You can, you know for definite that when you say that person has got this left Swadishthana or anything everybody says the same and you are sure of it. It is not possible for everyone to say the same thing, even the children saying the same thing about a person and he says also it is verified. So part of it comes to you in complete proof that there is something about it. Second part also comes to you as a proof because now you know there are vibrations flowing into you. There’s no jugglery about it. And then you can feel it very clearly. You have raised the Kundalini of many people. You have given them realization; even the photograph has given realization. You know for definite it is so. And also you know that if you want to ask any fundamental questions, you get answer as a great flow of vibrations. So when you ask the question [Mother speaks aside]. When you ask the question, “Whether there is God?”, Immediately you get tremendous vibrations proving that there is. You ask the some questions, which you know for definite and say, “Is it so?” And you know that it is not so, definitely you do not get any vibrations. That’s how relatively you know when do you get vibrations when you don’t get vibrations. If you ask a very big fundamental question, you get vibrations of a very strong nature. But in ordinary things you might get a little. So it proves that the vibrations speak to you as vibrations. This should prove that there is God because you have asked on vibrations and you have found that there are vibrations and that there is God. Now what happened in the case of Buddha that He got realization as you got it and He had no way of finding out whether there is God or not. So He said, “There is no God, only there is ‘self'”. But you have gone beyond it. So if you find seventy percent of the proof through your own experiencing it and raising of the Kundalini and all that. Then the thirty percent, whatever it is, is to be ascertained through the vibrations. And when you ascertain it through the vibrations – for example I say, “This is hot”. How do I know? By feeling it itself, it is hot. Now anything that makes Me hot is hot. But relatively I know this is hot, that is hot, that is cold. In the same way on vibrations also you can ask various questions and find out ‘yes’ and ‘no’ and then you can believe it – that there is God Almighty and this ‘ all pervading power’ exists, not only exists but operates, the rest of it is all a myth. But when you rise in Sahaja Yoga being Sahaja, you take it for granted, as we take everything for granted. All the trees growing, the mango tree giving a mango, guava tree only gives guavas. We never try to find out how in one little seed so much is built in, so much is programmed. We take it for granted all these great miracles of the world. In the same way we take this miracle also for granted. This is what ‘maya’ is. That is makes everything look so simple and straight. And you just start taking it for granted. Then you have to understand that it is not to be taken for granted but is to be very much respected, worshipped and accepted. The amount of preparation you have, the amount of strength you have, that is the amount of truth you are going to get. Truth also weighs you very clearly, whether you can receive it or not. There is no diplomacy that can work this out. No cheating, nothing. Truth knows how far you are. The more you become stronger, the more the truth manifest through you and you receive the truth. Just now some of you are still little babies of three months and four months and something like that. And still sometimes taken for granted. You do things which you should not do and harm yourself. Its only question of harming yourself not harming Me or harming Sahaja Yoga, which cannot be harmed, but you harm yourself. So one has to be very careful one should understand the laws and regulations as Gavin had read the last time, the statutes of God’s laws. You must understand how it works. You cannot take law into your hands by taking it for granted. Law operates and it knows everything. It is the law of love. That’s why it allows you to make little mistakes to learn. But it will not protect you when you start saying that, ‘all right I want to do it on my own’. “All right”, it says, “All right go ahead”. So one has to know that this law operates not blindly, ‘lovingly’ and it tries to teach you also sometimes that don’t do this wrong and don’t do that wrong. But when it comes to real punishment, the punishment is that this law leaves you alone. It just lets you go; the attention recedes, that is the worst thing that can happen to anyone. That you are not in the attention of God is the worst thing. So even if you make mistakes doesn’t matter. Pray for the attention of God always because the attention of God is the law –‘ law of love’. You cannot cheat it. Everything is known. Every word you say is known, every word you don’t say is known, every thought that comes in you is known. So purify yourself with love, understanding. Try to purify and tell yourself that, “I have to purify myself as much as possible”. With purification only, you will have the proper strength. If you have not purified, then there won’t be any strength for you to bear the truth. Once you bear the truth, your own life will convince people that you are Divine. Your face will convince people. Everything that you do will convince people that you are Divine and whatever you say, people will know it is coming through Divine Force. May God bless you all.	null	null	null	Advice to yogis, ” How to prove God exists”. Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK), 29 June 1980. Now the question he asked me was, in the nature of an enquiry of a person who wants to find out, what is the proof that there is God. How are we to convince people, what is God? That we have to achieve something, as far as God is concerned? How are we to convince them that we have got all these centers within us and that you have to achieve that realization? And also how are we to prove to others that you have achieved your realization? This is the question which everyone who is not yet a fully Sahaja Yogi would feel and ask you questions and you should have answers to it. The first and foremost question is how do we prove that there is God? Because you assumed that there is God because somebody has said, “There is God.” Now what are the ways of proving this, that there is God? So we have to attack the question, first from the reasoning point of view that we should be able to tell people that there is God through reason, not through experiencing because they are to be prepared for it . There will be many who really do not believe in God but just out of fashion they’re saying, “All right we accept” because they want to keep up peace and the compromise. But how you start about convincing them rationally? Perhaps I spoke in one of My lectures if you have that, I don’t know if you have got it. But we can prove it – the existence of God. You may call it God or nature or whatever it is, from many points of view. For example in short we can say, “There are many scientific things we cannot explain”. We cannot explain how the periodic laws were established without somebody being there. Periodic laws of chemical substances or the elements that exist on this Earth is so regular and so properly plotted down that you can see there must be some plotter otherwise it cannot be done. I mean if you want to avoid it, you can avoid it but there must be someone. Say we come in this room and find everything properly organized, lit up and we should know there must be somebody who has done it. Then a very good example is given by a very good French biologist [De Noüy], he says that if you use law of chance, the law of chance states that – if you have got fifty red pebbles and fifty white pebbles put in a jar and if you shake that jar it goes into a chaotic condition and the distribution of these pebbles is in a chaotic way. To bring them back to their normal condition of having the red on one side and the white on the other side, you go on shaking it as many times as you like and they have found out – there’s minimum of minimum so many times it has to be done, otherwise it cannot be worked out. This is all done by chance. You see by chance when it has to come to normal condition. How many chances you have to take? There’s a certain amount of a formula. Something raised to power ‘n’, call it ‘n’. So as a biologist he tried to calculate that if matter has to become ‘ living,’ then to get to that density, how many years are required by the law of chance to bring forth a living cell – one cell? And he found out that billions and billions and billions of years, if this law of chance works out then only one unicellular animal can be created. But in this short time from when the Earth receded from the Sun and then cooled down and then life came into being, then human beings were created who are very complicated. It is such a short time, compared to that time which is required by chance, that he has proved mathematically that it is an impossibility, it cannot happen. It is that fantastic. This is a scientific very good proof of a biologist that there is somebody, a juggler, who is doing that job. You may call Him ‘God’; you may call Him ‘Nature’ whatever is, but the nature thinks. People like Yung have proved the existence of collective consciousness. The existence of unconscious, which gives us dreams through which we get universal symbols. All over the world whether we are in India or in England or anywhere. The symbols are the same and he has done experiments with thousands of people. On the medical science also one can say as you know that one of the arguments we put in for is that acetylene and adrenaline which are two chemicals when they are in the body – human body, they act very arbitrarily. Means they have to augment – mean to contract or to relax. Those who relax must relax; those who have to contract must contract. But those who are supposed to be contracting relax, while those who are supposed to be relaxing contract. So they have not been able to explain and they have written, all of the doctors, they say that the mode of conduct of these chemicals in the body one cannot say. Another thing is that one of the very very important arguments that people have given is this that supposing a foreign body goes inside the human body, there’s always a tendency to throw it out as soon as possible. Supposing something goes into your throat, you cough out. Supposing something goes in the blood, they will try to throw it away. That’s the system it is. But when the fetus is formed in the body, then not only it is kept there, it is nurtured, looked after and thrown out at the right time. How can you explain that? There are thousand and one explanations people have tried to give but none of them are satisfactory. Then this Earth is spinning with such a speed and we are kept glued to this Earth, we never even feel the speed. And so many things like that people have been able to say and the so many scientists have felt that, there is some force which is beyond us which is very dynamic, which acts in such dynamic ways that we cannot explain. So we come to a point where we tell people that there is some force which we have to discover. Now then as Sahaja Yogis you can say that this hankering to seek. After a certain level of evolution because some people do not have at all seeking, you know that. They are just seeking food – to eat just like animals. Some people are seeking power. Some people are seeking money also. But there are so many people who are seeking something beyond. This seeking has come to us and this seeking that has come to us has led us to some sort of a path by which we should find out. Now you have seen with your naked eyes, a Kundalini rising at My Feet. You have seen the pulsation of the Kundalini taking place. That nobody can do. There is no mesmerism, nothing. When the Kundalini rises, with the stethoscope you can feel the rising of the Kundalini. With the rising of Kundalini you have known that we have cured people of different diseases. Even a person who was just dying, whom doctor had decided that they are dead and to be buried very soon, have been cured. And it is so dynamic, the dynamism I’ll tell you. It’s so dynamic – like we can take the case of Eddy’s brother. That he was so very sick and they said, “He has got blood cancer, he’s going to die within eight days”. I mean he just told Me this, that’s all and he’s cured. Then Linda told Me that her mother was always angry with Peter. [Mother speaks aside – “Where is she gone? Where is she? Linda!”] – So she told Me that the mother would never talk to Peter, she was very angry with him always, she would never talk to him. But she told Me all these things and suddenly she found that now she’s become very good and congenial and nice and talking. You have seen such transformations coming among many, many, many people. How people are changing, transforming, this is absolutely dynamic; you cannot do it. So many sick people are suddenly cured only through attention you know. There must be something about it and that is how you have to convince people about Sahaja. But after getting realization you just see the Kundalini, you see the rising of the Kundalini. You also feel the vibrating force of Kundalini. You also see how you got cured, how you got out of your problems. How you were in trouble? What problems you had? You had seen all these things and these things happen to you also. Some of you were drug addicts, some of you were suffering from some mental troubles. Some were having physical problems. All these, you see, are cured and you are much better people now. This has happened to you very easily without much effort being put into. It is not possible to get rid of these things easily. Definitely you can raise the Kundalini, you can feel the Kundalini. You can, you know for definite that when you say that person has got this left Swadishthana or anything everybody says the same and you are sure of it. It is not possible for everyone to say the same thing, even the children saying the same thing about a person and he says also it is verified. So part of it comes to you in complete proof that there is something about it. Second part also comes to you as a proof because now you know there are vibrations flowing into you. There’s no jugglery about it. And then you can feel it very clearly. You have raised the Kundalini of many people. You have given them realization; even the photograph has given realization. You know for definite it is so. And also you know that if you want to ask any fundamental questions, you get answer as a great flow of vibrations. So when you ask the question [Mother speaks aside]. When you ask the question, “Whether there is God?”, Immediately you get tremendous vibrations proving that there is. You ask the some questions, which you know for definite and say, “Is it so?” And you know that it is not so, definitely you do not get any vibrations. That’s how relatively you know when do you get vibrations when you don’t get vibrations. If you ask a very big fundamental question, you get vibrations of a very strong nature. But in ordinary things you might get a little. So it proves that the vibrations speak to you as vibrations. This should prove that there is God because you have asked on vibrations and you have found that there are vibrations and that there is God. Now what happened in the case of Buddha that He got realization as you got it and He had no way of finding out whether there is God or not. So He said, “There is no God, only there is ‘self'”. But you have gone beyond it. So if you find seventy percent of the proof through your own experiencing it and raising of the Kundalini and all that. Then the thirty percent, whatever it is, is to be ascertained through the vibrations. And when you ascertain it through the vibrations – for example I say, “This is hot”. How do I know? By feeling it itself, it is hot. Now anything that makes Me hot is hot. But relatively I know this is hot, that is hot, that is cold. In the same way on vibrations also you can ask various questions and find out ‘yes’ and ‘no’ and then you can believe it – that there is God Almighty and this ‘ all pervading power’ exists, not only exists but operates, the rest of it is all a myth. But when you rise in Sahaja Yoga being Sahaja, you take it for granted, as we take everything for granted. All the trees growing, the mango tree giving a mango, guava tree only gives guavas. We never try to find out how in one little seed so much is built in, so much is programmed. We take it for granted all these great miracles of the world. In the same way we take this miracle also for granted. This is what ‘maya’ is. That is makes everything look so simple and straight. And you just start taking it for granted. Then you have to understand that it is not to be taken for granted but is to be very much respected, worshipped and accepted. The amount of preparation you have, the amount of strength you have, that is the amount of truth you are going to get. Truth also weighs you very clearly, whether you can receive it or not. There is no diplomacy that can work this out. No cheating, nothing. Truth knows how far you are. The more you become stronger, the more the truth manifest through you and you receive the truth. Just now some of you are still little babies of three months and four months and something like that. And still sometimes taken for granted. You do things which you should not do and harm yourself. Its only question of harming yourself not harming Me or harming Sahaja Yoga, which cannot be harmed, but you harm yourself. So one has to be very careful one should understand the laws and regulations as Gavin had read the last time, the statutes of God’s laws. You must understand how it works. You cannot take law into your hands by taking it for granted. Law operates and it knows everything. It is the law of love. That’s why it allows you to make little mistakes to learn. But it will not protect you when you start saying that, ‘all right I want to do it on my own’. “All right”, it says, “All right go ahead”. So one has to know that this law operates not blindly, ‘lovingly’ and it tries to teach you also sometimes that don’t do this wrong and don’t do that wrong. But when it comes to real punishment, the punishment is that this law leaves you alone. It just lets you go; the attention recedes, that is the worst thing that can happen to anyone. That you are not in the attention of God is the worst thing. So even if you make mistakes doesn’t matter. Pray for the attention of God always because the attention of God is the law –‘ law of love’. You cannot cheat it. Everything is known. Every word you say is known, every word you don’t say is known, every thought that comes in you is known. So purify yourself with love, understanding. Try to purify and tell yourself that, “I have to purify myself as much as possible”. With purification only, you will have the proper strength. If you have not purified, then there won’t be any strength for you to bear the truth. Once you bear the truth, your own life will convince people that you are Divine. Your face will convince people. Everything that you do will convince people that you are Divine and whatever you say, people will know it is coming through Divine Force. May God bless you all.
6/30/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5888	What is Happening In Other Lokas?	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	28	What is happening in other Lokas? Caxton Hall, London, England. 30 June 1980. Today, I don’t mind to tell you about what’s happening in the other lokas, which we don’t see, of which we are not aware. It may frighten you a little bit, but the time has come for us to know how are we placed in relation to the Whole, what are the plans of the Divine, and how are we going to fulfil them. Now most of you are here Realised souls. Some of you have come first time; you will also get your realisation. But the common point is that you are all seekers, seekers of God, seekers of peace, seekers of love, that’s a common thing. But this seeking has come to you not for your own sake, for an individual ascent or for some achievements of a place from where there is no return, but this is the Last Judgement that all the human beings have to face. They have to go through it and to achieve their last, achieve their place in the kingdom of God. Today you are sitting before Me, you have been with Me before and much before. But today especially when you are with Me, you have come here to face up to it and to see for yourself that you are able to bear the Truth, the love, the blessings of God. That you can enter into the Kingdom of God and abide there, in His reign, with all His powers flowing through you. It has been promised before. All promises are to be fulfilled. All scriptures are to be supported and are to be proved. But we must know that there is a great war going on between satanic forces and Divine forces and all the satanic forces who symbolised as devils - in Sanskrit language they are called as rakshasas, asuras and all that - have taken their birth on this earth to demolish the Kingdom of God. Imagine! What ambitions! But they want to demolish this kingdom of God in your hearts. The kingdom of God exists, will exist, it’s eternal. It has created Universes after Universes. It has created human beings from amoeba to this stage. It has brought you to this position that today you are here to receive your ultimate goal. It all has happened now. At this critical moment, at this precious moment when you are about to enter into the Kingdom of God, all these forces are built up to pull you down. It lies in your wisdom to understand that the forces are very subtle, extremely cunning, beyond your comprehension. Even after entering into Self-realised state you have noticed, how they act on you, try to drag you down, pull you down. This war is played not on the conscious plane as it was played before. Say, one rakshasa coming in, was all right to kill him. He came as a rakshasa, he came as a devil, he was killed, finished. But today they have come as godly men, as god men – as they call them, as god women. They call themselves as god, gurus. They have come in the garb of religion. These ancient rakshasas have taken their birth and they have gone into the minds of the seekers. Thousands and thousands of seekers they have captured! Imagine the situation is so, so precarious and so dangerous. They have entered into the minds of the people who are the seekers, who are the ones who are to be bestowed with this Kingdom, who are to be enthroned, who are to be crowned, have been destroyed, tortured, by these horrible forces. And because it is not in your conscious plane, you cannot see them, you cannot feel them you cannot understand them, how dangerous they are. While they have learnt all the methods of coming into your ego or into your superego, to influence you. That war we all have to fight. If we have to establish ourselves fully in the kingdom of God, we must know that we have to fight all those pulling forces. Sahaja Yoga is not meant for useless people, is not meant for people who have no courage, is not meant for cowards. It’s not meant for people who run after money and who run after all these material things. Especially the first people who are the foundation of Sahaja Yoga, they have to be people of great calibre and of great desire to achieve their state of emancipation, because they are the people who are going to save the whole humanity. They are the redeemers, they are the one who are going to manifest the salvation of this doomed humanity. Those who are weak can be strengthened because the energy lies within them. Those who are unhealthy can be cured. Those who are mentally disturbed can be brought round. But there is no place for cowards in this. You have to be courageous and cheerful people, for one thing, because you represent that force which is fighting for the Divine, for God Almighty, you are his hands. And you have to be wise, also. Stupid people are no good. Stupidity can never help you to rise, you have to be wise people. Useless people, those who run after nonsensical things, let them go wherever they like, they’ll come back when their time and turn will come. We need not be many people for this. Very few can save the world, but they have to be strong and absolutely established in their understanding of the powers of their Spirit, powers of their Father who is Almighty. Don’t worry what happened to you before getting Realisation. Those who ponder over these things will not achieve much. Past is past, is finished now. Today, you are facing Me and I am facing you. This is the present. It is not possible for Me to give you the complete vision of the great war that is on and how you are to be saved. The tempest I feel. In a boat, I am putting My children in. Try to keep in the centre to keep the gravity all right. And when you will get strong enough, you will row the boat with Me. Do not hate yourself. Do not torture yourself and don’t feel guilty by which you become very, very weak. What is there to feel guilty? I don’t understand. Imagine a warrior and a soldier feeling guilty at the time when the war is on. You have to be full of enthusiasm and full of valour. All these small, petty things, which destroy your Spirit, throw them away. No place for all these fashionable things of feeling guilty. This is the weakness of the West. If you have to progress fast and if you want all this to be achieved, time is very short. You have to realise that. There is no time for ‘hanky-pankies’ as you call it. But there is no time also for going round the places. You have to settle down now, you have to get to it. So many Realised souls are born today as children in all the communities, even in Russia – can you imagine? Russians are going to come to Sahaja Yoga. I have been there. They may be the first because they have reasoned out all the nonsense of the so-called religious and the religiosities and all the nonsense of the false people who preach religion. There is no place for false gurus in Russia, no place. Also, for real gurus there is no place [laughter]. So you have to get, enter there through their children and children will recognise Sahaja Yoga. Within ten years’ time everything has to spark. It does not matter how you do it but you have to do it. For Me and for the Divine you are the most important things. Doesn’t matter if there is an earthquake and few horrible buildings fall down. It makes no difference to the Divine. What is important is how many are aware, how many are progressing, how many are settling down. Those who are very frightened type have no place in Sahaja Yoga. That means you are still playing into the hands of these negative forces. Imagine, frightened people coming as soldiers for Sahaja Yoga! I mean... [Laughter] All the powers that are within you will start manifesting when you show your valour. When you are not even willing to raise your hand, how your sword is going to work? In India, now there are thousands and thousands of Sahaja Yogis and they are progressing fast. You have to see now in the West, how are we going to progress and how are we going to settle down. It takes time in the West, no doubt to settle down. Though Realisation is much quicker. Indians get, as I always say, that they are difficult nuts to be cracked. Even British are like that compared to other Europeans. But those who get Realisation also go down very fast, sometimes but British once they get it, they get it alright in their ‘nuts’, they are good. There’s something about the tradition maybe. But still don’t take too much time to get your Realisation. Why should you get too much time to get your realisation? You just desire it and it should work. It’s only your desire that is going to awaken it. Desire it from your heart, not outwardly. It’s a fashion nowadays to be a seeker. No, it is an urge! You cannot live without it. You have to find it out. You try anything else. People are committing suicide because they have not been able to find out their own meanings. And that’s why it is very important that you must take Sahaja Yoga, not just like a shopping centre, like guru shopping, but very seriously, because your meaning is there to be found out. But your purpose and then the manifestation of your purpose, that has to happen. Sahaja Yoga started working in three phases in the West I think. First, that people got their Realisation to see that there is wrong with them, where they have got something wrong? The attention was taken inside by which they could see that they have problems. If you do not see your problems and somebody says that you have problems, you will hit that person very badly. It’s better that you see for yourself that there is a problem. Once you see that problem within yourself you will be anxious to see that you get rid of it. But if you do not see your problem you think that you are doing very great jobs and you are very great and you are perfectly all right. Or else, if you see also some of the defects because some people write that, "This is wrong, that is wrong", then you become guilty. Both ways is wrong because one way you go towards ego, the other way you go towards superego. So, through awakening, you start seeing yourself which side you lie, what’s the problem. You start judging yourself. The first judgement starts by yourself, "Mr. so and so judge yourself. Here you are the mirror. Now see! This is what it is". So, you judge yourself and you want to get rid of it, you don’t want it anymore within you. Then the second trouble starts when you start judging others. First you judge others, you get frightened, "Oh God! Horrible vibrations, run away. We’ll get caught up!" Gradually, you get immuned, "Ah, we’ve known this type, we’ve known that type, we’ve known that type, we’ve know that, all these types we know". Then you do not condemn anyone but you love and in that love you judge. Because you want others to get rid of their problems, you help, you share their problems to begin with. And the joy of giving Realisation starts working in you, to others. Now the problem starts when you look around, Western society I am talking about. You find your society is in doldrum. What’s the problem? Why the society is in the doldrum? What has happened? What basics have you lost? What part of the sustenance of human being is lost? Why? Why? So, you find about your marriage institutions, about your relationship with each other. That has to be settled. That has to give you joy, real joy, of companionship and love. And in the third phase, the great who are trying to be born on this Earth, so many of them. They are around here, just here, watching. They have to be born. You have to be parents of those children. They are going to blast all these satanic forces because they know what these satans are like and how they are to be blasted. They are experts. I have seen so many of them and you have seen also. They know what is Kundalini, they know how to raise it and they know how to blast all these people. And then the whole society of realised souls is going to pull out this humanity. Everyone need not be brought to Sahaja Yoga. They’ll be all pulled out. We must have sufficient pulling force within us. So those who come to Me earlier have a greater responsibility than those who’ll be coming much later, say after ten years. They’ll be just jumping into it. You are the ones who are going to do that. So, judge your self-esteem and do not try to condemn yourself for anything. That’s forbidden in Sahaja Yoga, you know that. You are all saints. So many saints sitting here. Imagine! The gods are singing, the angels are showering all their joy upon you. What a meeting it is! What a Force it is! The auspiciousness of this meeting acts not only in England, not only in Europe, but in the whole Universe. But the channels have to be strong enough to manifest it. That’s why today I said, "I have to say something really serious". On the 27th we are going to have a big puja, you know that (Guru Puja, 1980-07-27) and I would like you to think about what I have said today. And I would like you also to proclaim within yourself that you will establish this Mahayoga on this Earth, that you will bring the blessings of this Golden Age on this earth, which was created for this. The whole creation will find its own meaning. May God bless you. I would request you to put your hands like this towards Me - just like that. Then the vibrations are so strong. Like this there is not going to be any difficulty in receiving realization. Close your eyes. Put your feet straight on the ground as far as possible. It's better.	null	null	null	What is happening in other Lokas? Caxton Hall, London, England. 30 June 1980. Today, I don’t mind to tell you about what’s happening in the other lokas, which we don’t see, of which we are not aware. It may frighten you a little bit, but the time has come for us to know how are we placed in relation to the Whole, what are the plans of the Divine, and how are we going to fulfil them. Now most of you are here Realised souls. Some of you have come first time; you will also get your realisation. But the common point is that you are all seekers, seekers of God, seekers of peace, seekers of love, that’s a common thing. But this seeking has come to you not for your own sake, for an individual ascent or for some achievements of a place from where there is no return, but this is the Last Judgement that all the human beings have to face. They have to go through it and to achieve their last, achieve their place in the kingdom of God. Today you are sitting before Me, you have been with Me before and much before. But today especially when you are with Me, you have come here to face up to it and to see for yourself that you are able to bear the Truth, the love, the blessings of God. That you can enter into the Kingdom of God and abide there, in His reign, with all His powers flowing through you. It has been promised before. All promises are to be fulfilled. All scriptures are to be supported and are to be proved. But we must know that there is a great war going on between satanic forces and Divine forces and all the satanic forces who symbolised as devils - in Sanskrit language they are called as rakshasas, asuras and all that - have taken their birth on this earth to demolish the Kingdom of God. Imagine! What ambitions! But they want to demolish this kingdom of God in your hearts. The kingdom of God exists, will exist, it’s eternal. It has created Universes after Universes. It has created human beings from amoeba to this stage. It has brought you to this position that today you are here to receive your ultimate goal. It all has happened now. At this critical moment, at this precious moment when you are about to enter into the Kingdom of God, all these forces are built up to pull you down. It lies in your wisdom to understand that the forces are very subtle, extremely cunning, beyond your comprehension. Even after entering into Self-realised state you have noticed, how they act on you, try to drag you down, pull you down. This war is played not on the conscious plane as it was played before. Say, one rakshasa coming in, was all right to kill him. He came as a rakshasa, he came as a devil, he was killed, finished. But today they have come as godly men, as god men – as they call them, as god women. They call themselves as god, gurus. They have come in the garb of religion. These ancient rakshasas have taken their birth and they have gone into the minds of the seekers. Thousands and thousands of seekers they have captured! Imagine the situation is so, so precarious and so dangerous. They have entered into the minds of the people who are the seekers, who are the ones who are to be bestowed with this Kingdom, who are to be enthroned, who are to be crowned, have been destroyed, tortured, by these horrible forces. And because it is not in your conscious plane, you cannot see them, you cannot feel them you cannot understand them, how dangerous they are. While they have learnt all the methods of coming into your ego or into your superego, to influence you. That war we all have to fight. If we have to establish ourselves fully in the kingdom of God, we must know that we have to fight all those pulling forces. Sahaja Yoga is not meant for useless people, is not meant for people who have no courage, is not meant for cowards. It’s not meant for people who run after money and who run after all these material things. Especially the first people who are the foundation of Sahaja Yoga, they have to be people of great calibre and of great desire to achieve their state of emancipation, because they are the people who are going to save the whole humanity. They are the redeemers, they are the one who are going to manifest the salvation of this doomed humanity. Those who are weak can be strengthened because the energy lies within them. Those who are unhealthy can be cured. Those who are mentally disturbed can be brought round. But there is no place for cowards in this. You have to be courageous and cheerful people, for one thing, because you represent that force which is fighting for the Divine, for God Almighty, you are his hands. And you have to be wise, also. Stupid people are no good. Stupidity can never help you to rise, you have to be wise people. Useless people, those who run after nonsensical things, let them go wherever they like, they’ll come back when their time and turn will come. We need not be many people for this. Very few can save the world, but they have to be strong and absolutely established in their understanding of the powers of their Spirit, powers of their Father who is Almighty. Don’t worry what happened to you before getting Realisation. Those who ponder over these things will not achieve much. Past is past, is finished now. Today, you are facing Me and I am facing you. This is the present. It is not possible for Me to give you the complete vision of the great war that is on and how you are to be saved. The tempest I feel. In a boat, I am putting My children in. Try to keep in the centre to keep the gravity all right. And when you will get strong enough, you will row the boat with Me. Do not hate yourself. Do not torture yourself and don’t feel guilty by which you become very, very weak. What is there to feel guilty? I don’t understand. Imagine a warrior and a soldier feeling guilty at the time when the war is on. You have to be full of enthusiasm and full of valour. All these small, petty things, which destroy your Spirit, throw them away. No place for all these fashionable things of feeling guilty. This is the weakness of the West. If you have to progress fast and if you want all this to be achieved, time is very short. You have to realise that. There is no time for ‘hanky-pankies’ as you call it. But there is no time also for going round the places. You have to settle down now, you have to get to it. So many Realised souls are born today as children in all the communities, even in Russia – can you imagine? Russians are going to come to Sahaja Yoga. I have been there. They may be the first because they have reasoned out all the nonsense of the so-called religious and the religiosities and all the nonsense of the false people who preach religion. There is no place for false gurus in Russia, no place. Also, for real gurus there is no place [laughter]. So you have to get, enter there through their children and children will recognise Sahaja Yoga. Within ten years’ time everything has to spark. It does not matter how you do it but you have to do it. For Me and for the Divine you are the most important things. Doesn’t matter if there is an earthquake and few horrible buildings fall down. It makes no difference to the Divine. What is important is how many are aware, how many are progressing, how many are settling down. Those who are very frightened type have no place in Sahaja Yoga. That means you are still playing into the hands of these negative forces. Imagine, frightened people coming as soldiers for Sahaja Yoga! I mean... [Laughter] All the powers that are within you will start manifesting when you show your valour. When you are not even willing to raise your hand, how your sword is going to work? In India, now there are thousands and thousands of Sahaja Yogis and they are progressing fast. You have to see now in the West, how are we going to progress and how are we going to settle down. It takes time in the West, no doubt to settle down. Though Realisation is much quicker. Indians get, as I always say, that they are difficult nuts to be cracked. Even British are like that compared to other Europeans. But those who get Realisation also go down very fast, sometimes but British once they get it, they get it alright in their ‘nuts’, they are good. There’s something about the tradition maybe. But still don’t take too much time to get your Realisation. Why should you get too much time to get your realisation? You just desire it and it should work. It’s only your desire that is going to awaken it. Desire it from your heart, not outwardly. It’s a fashion nowadays to be a seeker. No, it is an urge! You cannot live without it. You have to find it out. You try anything else. People are committing suicide because they have not been able to find out their own meanings. And that’s why it is very important that you must take Sahaja Yoga, not just like a shopping centre, like guru shopping, but very seriously, because your meaning is there to be found out. But your purpose and then the manifestation of your purpose, that has to happen. Sahaja Yoga started working in three phases in the West I think. First, that people got their Realisation to see that there is wrong with them, where they have got something wrong? The attention was taken inside by which they could see that they have problems. If you do not see your problems and somebody says that you have problems, you will hit that person very badly. It’s better that you see for yourself that there is a problem. Once you see that problem within yourself you will be anxious to see that you get rid of it. But if you do not see your problem you think that you are doing very great jobs and you are very great and you are perfectly all right. Or else, if you see also some of the defects because some people write that, "This is wrong, that is wrong", then you become guilty. Both ways is wrong because one way you go towards ego, the other way you go towards superego. So, through awakening, you start seeing yourself which side you lie, what’s the problem. You start judging yourself. The first judgement starts by yourself, "Mr. so and so judge yourself. Here you are the mirror. Now see! This is what it is". So, you judge yourself and you want to get rid of it, you don’t want it anymore within you. Then the second trouble starts when you start judging others. First you judge others, you get frightened, "Oh God! Horrible vibrations, run away. We’ll get caught up!" Gradually, you get immuned, "Ah, we’ve known this type, we’ve known that type, we’ve known that type, we’ve know that, all these types we know". Then you do not condemn anyone but you love and in that love you judge. Because you want others to get rid of their problems, you help, you share their problems to begin with. And the joy of giving Realisation starts working in you, to others. Now the problem starts when you look around, Western society I am talking about. You find your society is in doldrum. What’s the problem? Why the society is in the doldrum? What has happened? What basics have you lost? What part of the sustenance of human being is lost? Why? Why? So, you find about your marriage institutions, about your relationship with each other. That has to be settled. That has to give you joy, real joy, of companionship and love. And in the third phase, the great who are trying to be born on this Earth, so many of them. They are around here, just here, watching. They have to be born. You have to be parents of those children. They are going to blast all these satanic forces because they know what these satans are like and how they are to be blasted. They are experts. I have seen so many of them and you have seen also. They know what is Kundalini, they know how to raise it and they know how to blast all these people. And then the whole society of realised souls is going to pull out this humanity. Everyone need not be brought to Sahaja Yoga. They’ll be all pulled out. We must have sufficient pulling force within us. So those who come to Me earlier have a greater responsibility than those who’ll be coming much later, say after ten years. They’ll be just jumping into it. You are the ones who are going to do that. So, judge your self-esteem and do not try to condemn yourself for anything. That’s forbidden in Sahaja Yoga, you know that. You are all saints. So many saints sitting here. Imagine! The gods are singing, the angels are showering all their joy upon you. What a meeting it is! What a Force it is! The auspiciousness of this meeting acts not only in England, not only in Europe, but in the whole Universe. But the channels have to be strong enough to manifest it. That’s why today I said, "I have to say something really serious". On the 27th we are going to have a big puja, you know that (Guru Puja, 1980-07-27) and I would like you to think about what I have said today. And I would like you also to proclaim within yourself that you will establish this Mahayoga on this Earth, that you will bring the blessings of this Golden Age on this earth, which was created for this. The whole creation will find its own meaning. May God bless you. I would request you to put your hands like this towards Me - just like that. Then the vibrations are so strong. Like this there is not going to be any difficulty in receiving realization. Close your eyes. Put your feet straight on the ground as far as possible. It's better.
7/3/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6618	A Great Discovery of Modern Times	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	85	Public Program. Kensington, London (England), 3 July 1980. Today we are here to hear about something that I think is a very great discovery of modern times. We have made lots discovery in the modern times. If I told My grandmother that we have been to the moon, they would not believe. None of them. All these old ladies would not believe it. And when we showed them even the TV, they would say, "Oh, something made up story. We cannot believe it. How could they go to the moon?" But we have. Definitely, we have landed there. In the same way today we are here to hear about a very new discovery. Because when we are progressing outside, maybe some are progressing within. And there has to be some progress within. If you see a tree, which grows very high, you must know it must have very deep roots. Otherwise, it cannot grow that high. In the same way when you are growing so much outside, there must be some peo-ple finding out the roots to feed this over-developed civilization of ours. And this discovery is that the time has come for us to get en masse realization that very few people received before, our Self-realization, that is - to know ourselves, not through some brain washing or speech making, but a happening which has to take place within us in the course of our evolutionary process. We have reached a certain state of evolution. We are human beings. All right, I hope nobody has doubts about that. But, still we do not know what is the mean-ing, why are we here? We have not found out our meaning. We have not found out our purpose of becoming a human being. Why not the scientists ask a ques-tion to themselves, "Why did we become a human being?" Why the evolutionary method has worked in such a way that a great thing like human beings are cre-ated? And then what are we going to do with this special personality of human being that has been incarnated on this earth? What is this specialty? What are they going to do? And what is their relationship with the whole, with the whole universe, with the whole creation? Where do they stand? What is the purpose of their being aware of many more things than the animals are? And why should this awareness be in such a condition that you cannot answer most of your ques-tions? This question has never been asked by scientist because they are ap-proaching outside, they have seen outside only not inside. This search is out-side. For example, a doctor: he's searching outside. Whatever he does not know inside he says, "All right. We have that much, that far, not further." You ask them any question they say, "So far is all right. Whatever we see with our five senses, that much we can say," or at the most microscope or something that they use but nothing beyond. Because they cannot see, because their awareness is limited, they cannot go beyond. Without the seeking you would not be here, no doubt. There is seeking every-where these days. Everybody's seeking. Some are genuinely seeking; some are in the fashion also. This is the fashion going on that you have to be a seeker. Otherwise, you are no more in the rank. But the seeking that is coming to us is also coming from His power to desire that. And if you are really seeking it, you should find it. But firstly we do not know what we are seeking. Secondly, we do not know whom to believe and whom to trust, naturally, because there are many people in the market afloat. You don't know which shop to go to. Thirdly, our ego stops us from accepting anything that can be beyond us. We are so much filled with ourselves, "I, I, I, I believe, I think, I go. This is my house, this is my town, this is my country." All this "my" and "I" business, it's too much in the head. And we are pumped up with it. I don't blame anyone. All this works together and stops us from getting to that point. But if you have to speak from God's point of view, He has done everything so remarkably within us. That if you just get rid of a little of your ego, a little of your ignorance, and a little of understanding, it will work out. It has worked with at least seventy percent people over here, and it should work with the rest of them. Within us lies this power, Kundalini, about which you must have read many books. Also there are books of Yog. As soon as one start talking about Kundalini there are books Yoga,, of anything. Whatever you say there are books of yog about it, whether they are upraised or not. Can you imagine Hitler used to talk about God? Can you imagine Napoleon used to talk about God? Who is going to catch them? Which God is going to charge them? Anything fool men can come and say, "I'm God." What can you do about it? All right, at the most you will say that he is lunatic. That's all. In the same way anybody can write about Kundalini. And that's how so many people I've seen are frightened to know about Kundalini. But She is your mother. And She has been with you. Not in this life but many lives She has been there waiting for this chance to give you your rebirth. She is the one who has loved you throughout. She is the one who keeps a check on you. She is the one who knows all about you, what you have done, what you have been up to. Everything She knows. And She shows it up when you come for your realization. But how we have treated Her is another point. I've seen people having Kundalini of such horrible nature you cannot imagine it. I yet to see Kundalini, the way we have treated our own Mother. It's wounded. It is so hard to describe even the agony of Kundalini within us. Our ego has ruined Her many a times. And all these things are there in the heart of that Mother of yours. Every individual has a mother. That's why it is called as a rebirth, as we call it the baptism or we call it twice born. In India we say a "Brahmin." Now Brahmin cannot be born. It's a wrong idea. How can a Brahmin be born? He has to be re-alized soul. It is an absurd idea that a Brahmin can be born. It would be like say-ing that a realized soul can be born. But he cannot be a realized soul because, his parents are realized? In the same way we have really misunderstood many things as far as religion is concerned. And the people who took charge of religion have also really misled us. I went to Russia recently. And their argument, really, they're fantastic. What they said, "Now, look at this man. He's supposed to be the bishop here. He drinks, he smokes, he has all the weaknesses of the world. He collected lot of money for himself. He doesn't do any work. He is a parasite, and everybody pays money to him. And he stays there nicely. Now, how are we to believe that this man has anything to do with God?" Naturally, I mean, we also feel the same way. But we have not rejected God. That's the difference. So they say, "With this kind of a man preaching about God, we don't want to believe in any of their say. I said, "Why have you rejected God? Supposing somebody really brings you closer to God?" "Then," they said, "We'll believe, of course." And that is how we have lost faith in God. Now you have to forgive those people. And you have to see if you can really get to that position, if you can really feel it. Now these chakras and all that, there are books you can read them, and you can go through all that. I need not every time tell you all about it. Only thing I have to tell you what happens really, when you get realization. That is important be-cause sometimes I've seen people get confused. First and foremost thing that happens when the Kundalini rises above this center which is placed inside the brain, we have pituitary and pineal body, which is called as - actually that place has no name in the medical terminology - but you can say at the crossing of the optic thalamus this very subtle center is placed. It controls your ego and superego, and when the Kundalini rises above that, you become thoughtlessly aware, means you are aware but there is no thought. You become blank, not that you become into a trance or you become something else. You're absolutely aware. But you find there are no thoughts coming from your ego or superego. We always live on thoughts, the cusps of thoughts. From one to another we are jumping. Even for half a second we cannot become thoughtless unless and until we are possessed or we are drunk. So in your awareness you become thought-less. It's first thing happen. Then when Kundalini crosses from here, you start feeling the cool breeze coming from your hand, a cool vibrations. That means in your central nervous system you start feeling the pulsation of your spirit, first time. You start feeling. Sometimes you may feel a little hot in the beginning. Heat comes out, then the cool. And even from here you might feel the cool breeze coming out from your head here. Because a hole is created there, you are baptized. Sometimes people feel a big draft coming out of you. And they're sur-prised, "How is this?" Like a cooler it comes out. After this happening in the West I've seen there's a problem, not so much in In-dia. India that who are not westernized but Indians who are really Indians, living in the villages, there is no such problem as we have here. Because you are ra-tional people, you have had rumbling in the rationality and thinking, analysis. Everything you give to them, they'll analyze. For example if they came to My house. If I make a cake for them, they sit down and analyze it. By that time, the cake will all be finished, and all the taste will be finished, and they'll be analyzing it. So the analysis starts and because of that. First they will feel vibrations of others. They'll find out now what are the centers? Because I'm here to decode, I tell you, "This is this center, because of this center, this is the problem." So they'll find out, "Now, what's the matter with you? Why you are catching on this thing? Are you suffering from this disease, or have you got a problem with your wife? Because this is wife's center." Then they verify it. Then they are confirmed that "Yes. What Mataji has said is correct." Then they come round. Then real joy starts trickling in them. But for Indians, I mean, say the Indians, real Indians, there is no problem of this kind. They are just there. They start enjoying, laughing, "We found it," finished. They don't go round and round. There is one book written. I don't know if they have got it here. Have you got the book? There's a big book written by one of the Western seekers. He's a very scholarly gentleman. And that book, when we gave it to these Indians, they said, "What is the need to read all the time? Now we have got it now. What is the need?" I mean, "We are feeling it, we have got it, we have changed now, we are transformed people. Why should we read all this? This is not necessary." But to a Western mind it's a nice food for thought. They must rumble a little bit here and there. But it works. Then they come round, and it works, and works in the real way. So when the people are confused, I have to just tell them even if you get the realization. ...though the Western are very good at getting realization. I must say. Americans especially are very good at getting it and loosing it too. They are such shifty people, you know. They'll come out of this house, get their realiza-tion, go to another. There five rupees now they would be sit down there then go to another. So that's a rather difficult situation. Now, the English are rather difficult. They are. It doesn't crack easily. It does, sometimes, very easily also. But mostly takes little time. Then they start sitting, you see, with their English mind, you see, "Let's see now. What about this?" ... goes on a little bit. But it has worked and worked with so many of this beautiful people who are sitting here. And I always felt that England is the heart of the whole universe, no doubt about. Your laws have been taken away by all the countries, and they are using the laws, English laws. And in the same way God's laws and statutes have to circulate through London, England. I came here by chance. My husband got elected into a job, and that's how I'm here just by chance. And India, if it has got the Kundalini of the universe, I think, heart is here. But in this ego business we have lost our heart. Ego covers the heart completely, and we become heartless. I met people who came to Me, they said, "Mother, we have no feelings. Now what to do?" I mean you cannot think of a person who has no feelings at all. He has no feel-ings for his children. I said, "How could it be? What have you been doing?" "I've been very busy. I've been doing lot of social work." I said, "You better do some social work to yourself. How can that be you have no feelings of any kind?" "You see, I've seen so much now. I have no feelings left." It's all ego that "I'm doing so much good; I'm doing such good work, you see. My name must appear in Who is Who and it should, I would like to contribute so much thing to that work." All that is nothing but is expression of ego. But Kundalini is so great. She sucks in everything - your ego, your conditionings, your superego - everything She sucks in. And you become what you are. You are really beautiful. And you are the spirit. I see only your spirit. I don't see you - to be very frank. I just see your Kundalini and see the problems on her, on her movement on the centers. But I don't see what country you come from, what place you come from. But the way you react and respond then I know, "Oh, you must be from Holland." Or if they are from Sweden, I will immediately know they are from Sweden because they are all planning how to commit suicide in a proper way, you see, in the most prestigious manner. It's very easy to find out. And it's very easy to find out a Swiss gentleman from the way they respond to Sahaja Yoga. Their main problems are like that, and that's how you discover people. But the best part is when you get connected with the whole, you start feeling yourself and also feeling the others. On your fingertips you start feeling your own centers. These are five, six, and seven on the left and right. Now the left is your power of desire, and the right is the power of your action, means this is your physical, and also your thinking, and your planning. These two powers you can feel it in your centers, you can feel it on your fingers. And that's how you can tell whether a person has got physical problem or a mental problem, whether the person has got his liver bad or his head is off. It's very simple to find out. Even children can do it. Now we have many children in this country born as realized souls, which you are not aware of. How will you know? How will you know if a person is true or not? How will you know that person is realized or not? There's no way of knowing it. See, I have seen people they believe that the more you pay the better the guru. If you pay, say thousand, then "He's all right." But if you pay three thousand, they'll all compete for him. You see, it's like a race horse going on, you see. Who puts more money? And that's that how they think they are going to do about re-ligion also. And there're some people... I mean, I don't want to describe all the horrible things that they work out, but only thing is that you are being befooled completely by all this jugglery going on. You cannot sell God, impossible. God has nothing to do with your money. You do it in Switzerland all these things. It's not meant for God and godly people. They have nothing to do with your money, with your purse, or anything. They are not bothered. What is riches to a man who is saint? He's nothing. What riches have you got? How can you purchase God? Can you? It just ego pampering. In Sahaja Yoga we just see what is your Kundalini, which is pure form of your problems, and your spirit which is the pure form which you have to achieve. So, if there is a happening that takes place - which will I'm sure - it's happening to thousands, so it should happen to you also. In Kensington I've great hopes because I've [mow down?] here in this place quite a lot. I hope so. If it works out, then you have to first of all establish it. But what happens? As soon as it works out people start thinking. It's like eating the cake as I told you. It has not happen to you because of any thinking, by any rationality. Rationality is limited. Like if I came in the car, I have to leave it outside. I cannot bring it inside. In the same way when you have to enter into the Kingdom of God, you have to know that it is beyond rationality. You land into a space where you just feel the joy coming within... Your thinking ends up here when the Kundalini goes above this red mark that I have, in the brain itself. Then your thinking will get over that thing. For example a thought rises and falls off. Then another thought rises and falls out. There's a space in between, a very little space which we cannot feel normally. We cannot remain there. We jump from one cusp of the thought to the other one. But there that space increases, and then your attention is in that space. That is the present. While the left is your past and the right is you future. Either you think of the past or of the future. But by this you come in the center, in the present, now at this time. You go beyond all the shekels of time. And then you start understanding that God's clock are different from ours. That's why I'm sometimes very early, sometimes very late. My clock doesn't go very well with that. And I find that there're still five minutes I'll have to speak more to prepare you for that. It is a very different thing. His plannings are very different. Our own plans fail because we don't know His plannings. If we know His planning, not a single plan will fail. And you'll be amazed how He helps you. Now within us these seven centers that we have. The first center is the lowest, is called as Mooladhara Chakra. And Mooladhara Chakra is the center which repre-sents our innocence which most of us have lost. Innocence is the thing, which keeps us pure, holy, and simple. The Kundalini is placed higher. The matter is innocent. Above that lies the Kundalini. We can say that when we were carbon atoms, at that time we were at Mooladhara Chakra. When we became living car-bon atoms, we were at Mooladhar Chakra. Then we lost our innocence because we have freedom to loose it or to have it. Then comes the Kundalini, which is above it. And above that is the center called as Swadishtana which goes round and round, and thinks, and plans, and works out for our future - is for our creativity. This center also transforms the fat cells from the stomach for the use of the brain. That's why when you plan too much you have a problem with your heart. Now you may say that "How is it heart gone?" I mean I've cured many heart patients. I've cured many, many diabetes patients. How did I do? Very simple. Because in medical science there is now talk of balance in life. I mean even doctors have no balance in their life. For example they are working, they are working like - I don't know how to call that - but really working very hard. They have no balance in their life. They have no love left in their heart because they think, they are doing such a lot of work themselves. They have no time for anything. Now this kind of too much work gives you the power to stretch your energy too much, and you start using our right side so much that the left side fails. You become really un-emotional. We do not love. You do not know you're happy. You neglect your emotional life. And that gives a pull to the heart I would say, because heart then puts down, put down, says, "Now better stop," and attack comes in. Diabetes also do such a thing. Diabetes is caused also by the same thing. Those who plan too much will get diabetes; if not, they'll get heart attack. Planning too much, I explain that now. You have to go somewhere. All right, your planning starts. Now you have to go there tomorrow, not today. Now, supposing in everyday life if you plan like that, you really go mad. For example, now sup-posing I have to come to Kensington. I say, it's all right. I've planned that My car will move only right side, will I reach here? In the same way we plan everything. If I have to buy a ticket, I should go and buy it today. What is there to sit down and plan it? I can't understand. And once you sit down and plan it what happens, that the spontaneity of that thing is lost completely. You are not spontaneous. And that spontaneity is lost, and you become really a dead planner. No wonder these walls are made like this. I mean really look at this. I mean you look at them, you feel as if just like a, I mean, they make you very feel very dull. Don't you think so? I mean, who must have done this? You see, must have planned hundred times sit down that, nothing happens, when I will be buried or some-thing like that, then I will see all grey around. I mean, just think of it. And this planning has come from a brain who must have thought him to be a great plan-ner. But nothing bubbling out of it. You see no joy. I mean if there is anything, I would like to see. But there isn't any at all. This is so grave. You work on the street you find everybody [unknown]. What's the matter? They cannot smile at you. They cannot wish with a smile. Even if they wish, you feel, "God, are they going to a funeral? What's the matter?" The man can become so full of this kind of tragedy because of our death planning I tell you. If you stop it a little bit, it would help you and help all the world round. With planning what have you got? Wars, problems, divorces, children running away, drugs - all this is planned out. If you have to do anything wrong, you have to plan it, for example, robbery in the bank. But they sit down and plan it nicely you can do it very well. But to give realization you cannot plan. I cannot say that -you will get it.[ It may work out?]. Can you plan out a flowering of one flower? Can you plan out the fruits coming out of the tree? Can you? Not one single liv-ing thing you can plan out. And when you try all those tricks, the Kundalini suf-fers. And what happens that your right side becomes very heavy, and the whole heaviness reduces you to nothing but that yellow stuff that you see in the head. It is something like your bile in the head, is Mr. E G O - ego. Every work that you do, you think that "I have done it." Now this "I have done it" cannot go unless and until you get your realization. Some people do tell Me, "Mother, whatever we do, we leave it at the feet of the Lord." I said, "How can you?" You cannot. There is a misunderstanding between yourself and your being be-cause it is not possible. As long as there is ego in your head, you are always knowing that you have done it. So you cannot leave it at the feet of the Lord. But when you get realization then what you say? "It's going. It's coming." Even if it is your father you say, "Mother, it doesn't come up. What to do? Kundalini doesn't come up." Even he may be your son, [your?] son. "I don't know what to do? He is all hot." You become a third person. You say "It. It doesn't work out; it doesn't come up." Then really you become a person of non-act. You become a hollow person, and you start seeing the whole thing flowing through you. And you start seeing the beauty of God's divine love that flows through you. You be-come really the [tendon?] instrument of God, the meaning that you are the pur-pose for which you have become realized. You are the instrument. Till you put something to the plug, it cannot work out. Say a, Take a television. First... But once you put it to the plug, you see the manifestation. You are amazed, a television, just imagine. It is recording everything. How is giving out I mean - one cannot understand. In the beginning when we saw television for the first time - we were all amazed. Look at this box! In the same way, we are the most beautiful instrument God has created, not only that but we are the one who have to enjoy our own being. Can you imagine what a thing God has done for us? To enjoy ourselves - this is what we got because He is the gracious Fa-ther. He is the most loving Father, and He wants us to be into His kingdom to be crowned as His children. Any Father would like to do that. But He's Father of all the fathers. And that is what it is. It has to work out. It has to happen. We cannot talk about it. It's a [work? unknown] I'm sorry. It's a very different thing about which you have heard about. It's a very different thing. It's something so living. It is some-thing so acting. It's actualization, from you it flows. You feel it yourself. It is not My certificate. It is your own certificate that is going to work it out. I hope you all will get it today.. All the new people, it will work out. It's very great thing be-cause you find your absolute 'Self'. You become one with yourself. Of course I must say as a by-product you all might get cured - completely. Your troubles get cured. Physical problems get cured as a result if you get realization. As a result, you get your mental problems... We have epileptic patients, and all of them got cured. There are some people sitting here were epileptic - are abso-lutely cured. These are the byproduct. But the main thing is you are to be real-ized. You have to get your realization, and then you have become the light. And what does the light do? Is to give light to others. And then you just give it. As in Sanskrit this is a [nirvachi?], really without any gain in it. The giving is the gain. You just flow with energy. You just feel heart after heart. It's so wonderful. Let us all enter into that wonderful land of complete purity and joy. May God bless you! I would like one or two questions from you, but not too many. Sensible questions please, because later on when the realization starts, your mind will start coming out. So its better that you ask Me question before that. Seeker: ...what is realization? Shri Mataji: What's it? Seeker: What is realization what You're talking about? Shri Mataji: I'm talking about [noise?] or something [laughing]. Seeker: ...What You mean by realization. Shri Mataji: Realization means you become one with yourself. If I say there is a spirit in your heart. All right. Now, I'm saying this a hypothesis for our practical purposes. But if I say so, then I have to prove it. And if you become one with that spirit, that I call as Self-realization. But in medical terminology I would say that on your central nervous system you can feel the existence of your spirit, to be very precise, or in psychological terminology you become connected with your universal unconscious. Seeker: Is it some sort of a light come up? Shri Mataji: Where? Shri Mataji: No, no. Seeker: How do you get your realization? Shri Mataji: No, no. nothing. You don't see it Seeker: [not understandable] Shri Mataji: No, no, no you don't feel. Seeker: [not understandable] Shri Mataji: ...light, see. Seeker: [not understandable] Shri Mataji: You see. Seeker: How do you get your realization [not understandable]? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. It will just... Seeker: [not understandable] Shri Mataji: That I tell you later on, how to do it. But, it is, there is no light. Be-cause light is just a shortcut you see. You just become, you just... You start feel-ing it on your hands. You start feeling in your being. It's a happening in your awareness. Your awareness is [not understandable]. For example, how are we human beings, and how are they dog? Can you say? What is the difference? It's very easy to make out a dog and a human being. Now you put a dog in a dirty place, will settle down there. You put a human being, he'll run away. In the awareness, in your awareness it will come, so that you become aware of it. You can feel... On vibrations you can say this is the center catching. Now those who are realized they can say what, where are you catching, what is your center catching. They know what center they are catching. They also know how to cure their centers. They know how to cure your centers. Ultimately, when you are cured, you are all right, then you start feeling that joy emitted from your heart. The complete balance is achieved. And you can give realization to others. You can raise their Kundalini. You can see it, raising it like that with your own fingers. Seeker: How long does it take? Shri Mataji: It takes just a split of a second, actually, actually. But if there are problems. You know there are second hand, fifth hand, its like an aircraft you see. Then it go rrrrrrrr, up like that and comes down, you must repair it again and it comes back. There are so many steps. See like My husband was once saying that "What are You doing with them? Once You have given them realization, why are they coming to You again and again?" So one of the disciples said, "You know, there are some second hand, can be fifth hand who be horrible cheat [unknown] lot of [cleaned up, so?] It may be with some people it just falls off. Then again must prop it up, again it comes down. But once it is done, then it is there. Now you see so many people here are there who have got it. You can imagine when I started with one disciple, what must be My condition? Now I'm much better off because those who have got it are more than those who haven't. Any questions? Why are you so serious? Nothing? You must little bit smile before that otherwise, this is the seriousness I find. It's rather difficult. It's not a frivolous thing. But it's a joyous thing. There's a difference between frivolity and joyfulness, is the ques-tion of joy, no seriousness about it. Seeker: That means that everybody could get this? Shri Mataji: Sure, sure I mean that is My desire is, to be very frank that My de-sire is. But it doesn't work out. Because I've seen I give realization to people. Even some of them are such foolish things they run away. They never come back., because their Kundalini goes back. They think they are in business, then they get some disease, then they come back after six months. So, you see, there was... when I was in the school. They ask a funny question: a man goes five steps forward and three steps forward and then five steps forward and eight feet backward and when will he reach? He never reach. That time I never understood, what does it mean. but now I understand what does it mean. You see it happens. They are not, you see, they are not ardently seeking. They are not there. They are just, they just, by the way like, as I told you, shopping is going on.	null	null	null	Public Program. Kensington, London (England), 3 July 1980. Today we are here to hear about something that I think is a very great discovery of modern times. We have made lots discovery in the modern times. If I told My grandmother that we have been to the moon, they would not believe. None of them. All these old ladies would not believe it. And when we showed them even the TV, they would say, "Oh, something made up story. We cannot believe it. How could they go to the moon?" But we have. Definitely, we have landed there. In the same way today we are here to hear about a very new discovery. Because when we are progressing outside, maybe some are progressing within. And there has to be some progress within. If you see a tree, which grows very high, you must know it must have very deep roots. Otherwise, it cannot grow that high. In the same way when you are growing so much outside, there must be some peo-ple finding out the roots to feed this over-developed civilization of ours. And this discovery is that the time has come for us to get en masse realization that very few people received before, our Self-realization, that is - to know ourselves, not through some brain washing or speech making, but a happening which has to take place within us in the course of our evolutionary process. We have reached a certain state of evolution. We are human beings. All right, I hope nobody has doubts about that. But, still we do not know what is the mean-ing, why are we here? We have not found out our meaning. We have not found out our purpose of becoming a human being. Why not the scientists ask a ques-tion to themselves, "Why did we become a human being?" Why the evolutionary method has worked in such a way that a great thing like human beings are cre-ated? And then what are we going to do with this special personality of human being that has been incarnated on this earth? What is this specialty? What are they going to do? And what is their relationship with the whole, with the whole universe, with the whole creation? Where do they stand? What is the purpose of their being aware of many more things than the animals are? And why should this awareness be in such a condition that you cannot answer most of your ques-tions? This question has never been asked by scientist because they are ap-proaching outside, they have seen outside only not inside. This search is out-side. For example, a doctor: he's searching outside. Whatever he does not know inside he says, "All right. We have that much, that far, not further." You ask them any question they say, "So far is all right. Whatever we see with our five senses, that much we can say," or at the most microscope or something that they use but nothing beyond. Because they cannot see, because their awareness is limited, they cannot go beyond. Without the seeking you would not be here, no doubt. There is seeking every-where these days. Everybody's seeking. Some are genuinely seeking; some are in the fashion also. This is the fashion going on that you have to be a seeker. Otherwise, you are no more in the rank. But the seeking that is coming to us is also coming from His power to desire that. And if you are really seeking it, you should find it. But firstly we do not know what we are seeking. Secondly, we do not know whom to believe and whom to trust, naturally, because there are many people in the market afloat. You don't know which shop to go to. Thirdly, our ego stops us from accepting anything that can be beyond us. We are so much filled with ourselves, "I, I, I, I believe, I think, I go. This is my house, this is my town, this is my country." All this "my" and "I" business, it's too much in the head. And we are pumped up with it. I don't blame anyone. All this works together and stops us from getting to that point. But if you have to speak from God's point of view, He has done everything so remarkably within us. That if you just get rid of a little of your ego, a little of your ignorance, and a little of understanding, it will work out. It has worked with at least seventy percent people over here, and it should work with the rest of them. Within us lies this power, Kundalini, about which you must have read many books. Also there are books of Yog. As soon as one start talking about Kundalini there are books Yoga,, of anything. Whatever you say there are books of yog about it, whether they are upraised or not. Can you imagine Hitler used to talk about God? Can you imagine Napoleon used to talk about God? Who is going to catch them? Which God is going to charge them? Anything fool men can come and say, "I'm God." What can you do about it? All right, at the most you will say that he is lunatic. That's all. In the same way anybody can write about Kundalini. And that's how so many people I've seen are frightened to know about Kundalini. But She is your mother. And She has been with you. Not in this life but many lives She has been there waiting for this chance to give you your rebirth. She is the one who has loved you throughout. She is the one who keeps a check on you. She is the one who knows all about you, what you have done, what you have been up to. Everything She knows. And She shows it up when you come for your realization. But how we have treated Her is another point. I've seen people having Kundalini of such horrible nature you cannot imagine it. I yet to see Kundalini, the way we have treated our own Mother. It's wounded. It is so hard to describe even the agony of Kundalini within us. Our ego has ruined Her many a times. And all these things are there in the heart of that Mother of yours. Every individual has a mother. That's why it is called as a rebirth, as we call it the baptism or we call it twice born. In India we say a "Brahmin." Now Brahmin cannot be born. It's a wrong idea. How can a Brahmin be born? He has to be re-alized soul. It is an absurd idea that a Brahmin can be born. It would be like say-ing that a realized soul can be born. But he cannot be a realized soul because, his parents are realized? In the same way we have really misunderstood many things as far as religion is concerned. And the people who took charge of religion have also really misled us. I went to Russia recently. And their argument, really, they're fantastic. What they said, "Now, look at this man. He's supposed to be the bishop here. He drinks, he smokes, he has all the weaknesses of the world. He collected lot of money for himself. He doesn't do any work. He is a parasite, and everybody pays money to him. And he stays there nicely. Now, how are we to believe that this man has anything to do with God?" Naturally, I mean, we also feel the same way. But we have not rejected God. That's the difference. So they say, "With this kind of a man preaching about God, we don't want to believe in any of their say. I said, "Why have you rejected God? Supposing somebody really brings you closer to God?" "Then," they said, "We'll believe, of course." And that is how we have lost faith in God. Now you have to forgive those people. And you have to see if you can really get to that position, if you can really feel it. Now these chakras and all that, there are books you can read them, and you can go through all that. I need not every time tell you all about it. Only thing I have to tell you what happens really, when you get realization. That is important be-cause sometimes I've seen people get confused. First and foremost thing that happens when the Kundalini rises above this center which is placed inside the brain, we have pituitary and pineal body, which is called as - actually that place has no name in the medical terminology - but you can say at the crossing of the optic thalamus this very subtle center is placed. It controls your ego and superego, and when the Kundalini rises above that, you become thoughtlessly aware, means you are aware but there is no thought. You become blank, not that you become into a trance or you become something else. You're absolutely aware. But you find there are no thoughts coming from your ego or superego. We always live on thoughts, the cusps of thoughts. From one to another we are jumping. Even for half a second we cannot become thoughtless unless and until we are possessed or we are drunk. So in your awareness you become thought-less. It's first thing happen. Then when Kundalini crosses from here, you start feeling the cool breeze coming from your hand, a cool vibrations. That means in your central nervous system you start feeling the pulsation of your spirit, first time. You start feeling. Sometimes you may feel a little hot in the beginning. Heat comes out, then the cool. And even from here you might feel the cool breeze coming out from your head here. Because a hole is created there, you are baptized. Sometimes people feel a big draft coming out of you. And they're sur-prised, "How is this?" Like a cooler it comes out. After this happening in the West I've seen there's a problem, not so much in In-dia. India that who are not westernized but Indians who are really Indians, living in the villages, there is no such problem as we have here. Because you are ra-tional people, you have had rumbling in the rationality and thinking, analysis. Everything you give to them, they'll analyze. For example if they came to My house. If I make a cake for them, they sit down and analyze it. By that time, the cake will all be finished, and all the taste will be finished, and they'll be analyzing it. So the analysis starts and because of that. First they will feel vibrations of others. They'll find out now what are the centers? Because I'm here to decode, I tell you, "This is this center, because of this center, this is the problem." So they'll find out, "Now, what's the matter with you? Why you are catching on this thing? Are you suffering from this disease, or have you got a problem with your wife? Because this is wife's center." Then they verify it. Then they are confirmed that "Yes. What Mataji has said is correct." Then they come round. Then real joy starts trickling in them. But for Indians, I mean, say the Indians, real Indians, there is no problem of this kind. They are just there. They start enjoying, laughing, "We found it," finished. They don't go round and round. There is one book written. I don't know if they have got it here. Have you got the book? There's a big book written by one of the Western seekers. He's a very scholarly gentleman. And that book, when we gave it to these Indians, they said, "What is the need to read all the time? Now we have got it now. What is the need?" I mean, "We are feeling it, we have got it, we have changed now, we are transformed people. Why should we read all this? This is not necessary." But to a Western mind it's a nice food for thought. They must rumble a little bit here and there. But it works. Then they come round, and it works, and works in the real way. So when the people are confused, I have to just tell them even if you get the realization. ...though the Western are very good at getting realization. I must say. Americans especially are very good at getting it and loosing it too. They are such shifty people, you know. They'll come out of this house, get their realiza-tion, go to another. There five rupees now they would be sit down there then go to another. So that's a rather difficult situation. Now, the English are rather difficult. They are. It doesn't crack easily. It does, sometimes, very easily also. But mostly takes little time. Then they start sitting, you see, with their English mind, you see, "Let's see now. What about this?" ... goes on a little bit. But it has worked and worked with so many of this beautiful people who are sitting here. And I always felt that England is the heart of the whole universe, no doubt about. Your laws have been taken away by all the countries, and they are using the laws, English laws. And in the same way God's laws and statutes have to circulate through London, England. I came here by chance. My husband got elected into a job, and that's how I'm here just by chance. And India, if it has got the Kundalini of the universe, I think, heart is here. But in this ego business we have lost our heart. Ego covers the heart completely, and we become heartless. I met people who came to Me, they said, "Mother, we have no feelings. Now what to do?" I mean you cannot think of a person who has no feelings at all. He has no feel-ings for his children. I said, "How could it be? What have you been doing?" "I've been very busy. I've been doing lot of social work." I said, "You better do some social work to yourself. How can that be you have no feelings of any kind?" "You see, I've seen so much now. I have no feelings left." It's all ego that "I'm doing so much good; I'm doing such good work, you see. My name must appear in Who is Who and it should, I would like to contribute so much thing to that work." All that is nothing but is expression of ego. But Kundalini is so great. She sucks in everything - your ego, your conditionings, your superego - everything She sucks in. And you become what you are. You are really beautiful. And you are the spirit. I see only your spirit. I don't see you - to be very frank. I just see your Kundalini and see the problems on her, on her movement on the centers. But I don't see what country you come from, what place you come from. But the way you react and respond then I know, "Oh, you must be from Holland." Or if they are from Sweden, I will immediately know they are from Sweden because they are all planning how to commit suicide in a proper way, you see, in the most prestigious manner. It's very easy to find out. And it's very easy to find out a Swiss gentleman from the way they respond to Sahaja Yoga. Their main problems are like that, and that's how you discover people. But the best part is when you get connected with the whole, you start feeling yourself and also feeling the others. On your fingertips you start feeling your own centers. These are five, six, and seven on the left and right. Now the left is your power of desire, and the right is the power of your action, means this is your physical, and also your thinking, and your planning. These two powers you can feel it in your centers, you can feel it on your fingers. And that's how you can tell whether a person has got physical problem or a mental problem, whether the person has got his liver bad or his head is off. It's very simple to find out. Even children can do it. Now we have many children in this country born as realized souls, which you are not aware of. How will you know? How will you know if a person is true or not? How will you know that person is realized or not? There's no way of knowing it. See, I have seen people they believe that the more you pay the better the guru. If you pay, say thousand, then "He's all right." But if you pay three thousand, they'll all compete for him. You see, it's like a race horse going on, you see. Who puts more money? And that's that how they think they are going to do about re-ligion also. And there're some people... I mean, I don't want to describe all the horrible things that they work out, but only thing is that you are being befooled completely by all this jugglery going on. You cannot sell God, impossible. God has nothing to do with your money. You do it in Switzerland all these things. It's not meant for God and godly people. They have nothing to do with your money, with your purse, or anything. They are not bothered. What is riches to a man who is saint? He's nothing. What riches have you got? How can you purchase God? Can you? It just ego pampering. In Sahaja Yoga we just see what is your Kundalini, which is pure form of your problems, and your spirit which is the pure form which you have to achieve. So, if there is a happening that takes place - which will I'm sure - it's happening to thousands, so it should happen to you also. In Kensington I've great hopes because I've [mow down?] here in this place quite a lot. I hope so. If it works out, then you have to first of all establish it. But what happens? As soon as it works out people start thinking. It's like eating the cake as I told you. It has not happen to you because of any thinking, by any rationality. Rationality is limited. Like if I came in the car, I have to leave it outside. I cannot bring it inside. In the same way when you have to enter into the Kingdom of God, you have to know that it is beyond rationality. You land into a space where you just feel the joy coming within... Your thinking ends up here when the Kundalini goes above this red mark that I have, in the brain itself. Then your thinking will get over that thing. For example a thought rises and falls off. Then another thought rises and falls out. There's a space in between, a very little space which we cannot feel normally. We cannot remain there. We jump from one cusp of the thought to the other one. But there that space increases, and then your attention is in that space. That is the present. While the left is your past and the right is you future. Either you think of the past or of the future. But by this you come in the center, in the present, now at this time. You go beyond all the shekels of time. And then you start understanding that God's clock are different from ours. That's why I'm sometimes very early, sometimes very late. My clock doesn't go very well with that. And I find that there're still five minutes I'll have to speak more to prepare you for that. It is a very different thing. His plannings are very different. Our own plans fail because we don't know His plannings. If we know His planning, not a single plan will fail. And you'll be amazed how He helps you. Now within us these seven centers that we have. The first center is the lowest, is called as Mooladhara Chakra. And Mooladhara Chakra is the center which repre-sents our innocence which most of us have lost. Innocence is the thing, which keeps us pure, holy, and simple. The Kundalini is placed higher. The matter is innocent. Above that lies the Kundalini. We can say that when we were carbon atoms, at that time we were at Mooladhara Chakra. When we became living car-bon atoms, we were at Mooladhar Chakra. Then we lost our innocence because we have freedom to loose it or to have it. Then comes the Kundalini, which is above it. And above that is the center called as Swadishtana which goes round and round, and thinks, and plans, and works out for our future - is for our creativity. This center also transforms the fat cells from the stomach for the use of the brain. That's why when you plan too much you have a problem with your heart. Now you may say that "How is it heart gone?" I mean I've cured many heart patients. I've cured many, many diabetes patients. How did I do? Very simple. Because in medical science there is now talk of balance in life. I mean even doctors have no balance in their life. For example they are working, they are working like - I don't know how to call that - but really working very hard. They have no balance in their life. They have no love left in their heart because they think, they are doing such a lot of work themselves. They have no time for anything. Now this kind of too much work gives you the power to stretch your energy too much, and you start using our right side so much that the left side fails. You become really un-emotional. We do not love. You do not know you're happy. You neglect your emotional life. And that gives a pull to the heart I would say, because heart then puts down, put down, says, "Now better stop," and attack comes in. Diabetes also do such a thing. Diabetes is caused also by the same thing. Those who plan too much will get diabetes; if not, they'll get heart attack. Planning too much, I explain that now. You have to go somewhere. All right, your planning starts. Now you have to go there tomorrow, not today. Now, supposing in everyday life if you plan like that, you really go mad. For example, now sup-posing I have to come to Kensington. I say, it's all right. I've planned that My car will move only right side, will I reach here? In the same way we plan everything. If I have to buy a ticket, I should go and buy it today. What is there to sit down and plan it? I can't understand. And once you sit down and plan it what happens, that the spontaneity of that thing is lost completely. You are not spontaneous. And that spontaneity is lost, and you become really a dead planner. No wonder these walls are made like this. I mean really look at this. I mean you look at them, you feel as if just like a, I mean, they make you very feel very dull. Don't you think so? I mean, who must have done this? You see, must have planned hundred times sit down that, nothing happens, when I will be buried or some-thing like that, then I will see all grey around. I mean, just think of it. And this planning has come from a brain who must have thought him to be a great plan-ner. But nothing bubbling out of it. You see no joy. I mean if there is anything, I would like to see. But there isn't any at all. This is so grave. You work on the street you find everybody [unknown]. What's the matter? They cannot smile at you. They cannot wish with a smile. Even if they wish, you feel, "God, are they going to a funeral? What's the matter?" The man can become so full of this kind of tragedy because of our death planning I tell you. If you stop it a little bit, it would help you and help all the world round. With planning what have you got? Wars, problems, divorces, children running away, drugs - all this is planned out. If you have to do anything wrong, you have to plan it, for example, robbery in the bank. But they sit down and plan it nicely you can do it very well. But to give realization you cannot plan. I cannot say that -you will get it.[ It may work out?]. Can you plan out a flowering of one flower? Can you plan out the fruits coming out of the tree? Can you? Not one single liv-ing thing you can plan out. And when you try all those tricks, the Kundalini suf-fers. And what happens that your right side becomes very heavy, and the whole heaviness reduces you to nothing but that yellow stuff that you see in the head. It is something like your bile in the head, is Mr. E G O - ego. Every work that you do, you think that "I have done it." Now this "I have done it" cannot go unless and until you get your realization. Some people do tell Me, "Mother, whatever we do, we leave it at the feet of the Lord." I said, "How can you?" You cannot. There is a misunderstanding between yourself and your being be-cause it is not possible. As long as there is ego in your head, you are always knowing that you have done it. So you cannot leave it at the feet of the Lord. But when you get realization then what you say? "It's going. It's coming." Even if it is your father you say, "Mother, it doesn't come up. What to do? Kundalini doesn't come up." Even he may be your son, [your?] son. "I don't know what to do? He is all hot." You become a third person. You say "It. It doesn't work out; it doesn't come up." Then really you become a person of non-act. You become a hollow person, and you start seeing the whole thing flowing through you. And you start seeing the beauty of God's divine love that flows through you. You be-come really the [tendon?] instrument of God, the meaning that you are the pur-pose for which you have become realized. You are the instrument. Till you put something to the plug, it cannot work out. Say a, Take a television. First... But once you put it to the plug, you see the manifestation. You are amazed, a television, just imagine. It is recording everything. How is giving out I mean - one cannot understand. In the beginning when we saw television for the first time - we were all amazed. Look at this box! In the same way, we are the most beautiful instrument God has created, not only that but we are the one who have to enjoy our own being. Can you imagine what a thing God has done for us? To enjoy ourselves - this is what we got because He is the gracious Fa-ther. He is the most loving Father, and He wants us to be into His kingdom to be crowned as His children. Any Father would like to do that. But He's Father of all the fathers. And that is what it is. It has to work out. It has to happen. We cannot talk about it. It's a [work? unknown] I'm sorry. It's a very different thing about which you have heard about. It's a very different thing. It's something so living. It is some-thing so acting. It's actualization, from you it flows. You feel it yourself. It is not My certificate. It is your own certificate that is going to work it out. I hope you all will get it today.. All the new people, it will work out. It's very great thing be-cause you find your absolute 'Self'. You become one with yourself. Of course I must say as a by-product you all might get cured - completely. Your troubles get cured. Physical problems get cured as a result if you get realization. As a result, you get your mental problems... We have epileptic patients, and all of them got cured. There are some people sitting here were epileptic - are abso-lutely cured. These are the byproduct. But the main thing is you are to be real-ized. You have to get your realization, and then you have become the light. And what does the light do? Is to give light to others. And then you just give it. As in Sanskrit this is a [nirvachi?], really without any gain in it. The giving is the gain. You just flow with energy. You just feel heart after heart. It's so wonderful. Let us all enter into that wonderful land of complete purity and joy. May God bless you! I would like one or two questions from you, but not too many. Sensible questions please, because later on when the realization starts, your mind will start coming out. So its better that you ask Me question before that. Seeker: ...what is realization? Shri Mataji: What's it? Seeker: What is realization what You're talking about? Shri Mataji: I'm talking about [noise?] or something [laughing]. Seeker: ...What You mean by realization. Shri Mataji: Realization means you become one with yourself. If I say there is a spirit in your heart. All right. Now, I'm saying this a hypothesis for our practical purposes. But if I say so, then I have to prove it. And if you become one with that spirit, that I call as Self-realization. But in medical terminology I would say that on your central nervous system you can feel the existence of your spirit, to be very precise, or in psychological terminology you become connected with your universal unconscious. Seeker: Is it some sort of a light come up? Shri Mataji: Where? Shri Mataji: No, no. Seeker: How do you get your realization? Shri Mataji: No, no. nothing. You don't see it Seeker: [not understandable] Shri Mataji: No, no, no you don't feel. Seeker: [not understandable] Shri Mataji: ...light, see. Seeker: [not understandable] Shri Mataji: You see. Seeker: How do you get your realization [not understandable]? Shri Mataji: No, no, no. It will just... Seeker: [not understandable] Shri Mataji: That I tell you later on, how to do it. But, it is, there is no light. Be-cause light is just a shortcut you see. You just become, you just... You start feel-ing it on your hands. You start feeling in your being. It's a happening in your awareness. Your awareness is [not understandable]. For example, how are we human beings, and how are they dog? Can you say? What is the difference? It's very easy to make out a dog and a human being. Now you put a dog in a dirty place, will settle down there. You put a human being, he'll run away. In the awareness, in your awareness it will come, so that you become aware of it. You can feel... On vibrations you can say this is the center catching. Now those who are realized they can say what, where are you catching, what is your center catching. They know what center they are catching. They also know how to cure their centers. They know how to cure your centers. Ultimately, when you are cured, you are all right, then you start feeling that joy emitted from your heart. The complete balance is achieved. And you can give realization to others. You can raise their Kundalini. You can see it, raising it like that with your own fingers. Seeker: How long does it take? Shri Mataji: It takes just a split of a second, actually, actually. But if there are problems. You know there are second hand, fifth hand, its like an aircraft you see. Then it go rrrrrrrr, up like that and comes down, you must repair it again and it comes back. There are so many steps. See like My husband was once saying that "What are You doing with them? Once You have given them realization, why are they coming to You again and again?" So one of the disciples said, "You know, there are some second hand, can be fifth hand who be horrible cheat [unknown] lot of [cleaned up, so?] It may be with some people it just falls off. Then again must prop it up, again it comes down. But once it is done, then it is there. Now you see so many people here are there who have got it. You can imagine when I started with one disciple, what must be My condition? Now I'm much better off because those who have got it are more than those who haven't. Any questions? Why are you so serious? Nothing? You must little bit smile before that otherwise, this is the seriousness I find. It's rather difficult. It's not a frivolous thing. But it's a joyous thing. There's a difference between frivolity and joyfulness, is the ques-tion of joy, no seriousness about it. Seeker: That means that everybody could get this? Shri Mataji: Sure, sure I mean that is My desire is, to be very frank that My de-sire is. But it doesn't work out. Because I've seen I give realization to people. Even some of them are such foolish things they run away. They never come back., because their Kundalini goes back. They think they are in business, then they get some disease, then they come back after six months. So, you see, there was... when I was in the school. They ask a funny question: a man goes five steps forward and three steps forward and then five steps forward and eight feet backward and when will he reach? He never reach. That time I never understood, what does it mean. but now I understand what does it mean. You see it happens. They are not, you see, they are not ardently seeking. They are not there. They are just, they just, by the way like, as I told you, shopping is going on.
7/4/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6617	Advice on marriage: The Joy of Life & Wedding	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	Y	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	56	Advice on marriage on the occasion of Tony (Cooly) Paniotou's wedding at Hesta Spiro's mother's house, Abbey Lodge, London (England), 4 July 1980. For today, specially I am very happy with Cooly (Tony Paniotou), Cooly is such an ardent Sahaja Yogi, and Dawn has done so much spreading of Sahaja Yoga, brought so many people from Brighton. Both of them are great Sahaja Yogis. You all have to be really thankful for all these great occasions. Because of her people have Sahaja Yoga and because of him many have stayed in Sahaja Yoga and consolidated it. So it's a very great day for us to feel very proud. Moreover, I think this marriages seldom have been performed before, where so many realised souls have attended a wedding! So the grace of God has descended on this earth in such a beautiful way. It has many dimensions of beauty and joy [that is] very hard to express beyond this feeling, understanding. It's really great. My only advice is that, we must learn to enjoy, this capacity we have lost. That's the only thing we have lost is the method of enjoyment, everything [else] is there. Just you have to try to find out ways and methods of enjoyment so you will not get into arguments, will not try to criticise, will not try to find faults with each other. Just try to enjoy each other. Enjoyment comes out of whatever is good. Say, if a fruit has got some part which is sour and some part which is rotten, you take out that part of the fruit which is alright and enjoy it. In the same way when you are dealing with your partners and friends, then other Sahaja Yogis you must put your attention to the good points of other Sahaja Yogis and then you will imbibe those good points within you. But your attention should be on good points because that is what is enjoyable in the other person. By seeing the bad points you become a miserable creature and make the other fellow also miserable. By that you do not help yourself neither you help the other person. So the best thing to do is to enjoy the best part in others, and you'll be amazed [that], by that enjoyment, the other feels very secured, happy, joyous and that goodness starts spreading to other parts of the body, to other parts of the being, other parts of the mind and the whole can be made very beautiful. And enjoyment can give you the real insight into the understanding of others. If you cannot enjoy another person that means something wrong with you, not with that person. After realisation, specially, it should be very easy. Before realisation of course I don't say - that could be very difficult. But after realisation one should try to see the good points. Like, in a room there is light, in another room there is no light so we take the light from one room to another, to another, and another. We cannot bring light from the dark room. In the same way we have to go, move, from the part that is enjoyable to other parts and this has very subtle effect, extremely subtle. When you start enjoying another person he develops self-esteem and he tries to be enjoyable also. But the relationship between husband and wife is very, very intimate, and the enjoyment should be maximum between them when they are Sahaja Yogis. But they should give up the old patterns of married lives as there are, like: husband can do whatever he likes and he's free. And the wife is free to do whatever she likes, she's on her own and he's on his own and nobody should object and that sort of a nonsensical life. Because you're not on your own. You are part of the Whole. You're all joined together. You all have to work in such a way that you feel that unity within yourself. This is what one does not realise that we cannot be on our own. Your freedom is in enjoying the freedom of others, not abandonment. After realisation the freedom lies in understanding the freedom of others not your own freedom, the so-called. That is how you'll get over your aggressiveness. And for small, small things, for petty things, for useless things a Sahaja Yogi is not going to argue because he's found out something so high, so absolute. I'll give you an example, how a Sahaja Yogi can behave and a non-sahaja yogi. For example, a non-sahaja yogi comes to a room which is decorated say by a wife and now, he comes says, "Oh I don't like this colour, I, I don't like that colour." You see, "Why did you put that? And this could have been cheaper," some sort of thing like that. ‘I’. Or the wife can do the same. But when a Sahaja Yogi marries a non-sahaja yogi he says, "Do you like it? Then I like it. Did you like it? Really you liked it, then I like it. If you have liked it, I would like. Whatever you believe, I will believe into it." This “I believe”, “I believe, I like" - these words go away. Third is, “I think”. We do not think. Sahaja Yogis do not think, we are beyond thinking (laughing), so you should say, “I enjoy being with you.” “I enjoy being your wife, or your husband.” Our terminology has to change because now we have become the suckers of joy, not of misery. The whole priorities must be changed in life. How to please others should be the priority. How to make the other person feel the trust. How much can you give, not take. Who out beats the other in giving, who is more generous between the two. For example, say, one Sahaja Yogi has a friend and another is her husband or wife, whatever it is, then [if] the friend is coming, then the husband or wife who is not the friend must go all out to help the wife or the husband to make the friendship stronger, purer, beautiful, just to please your companion but not to pamper the ego. This is a very subtle thing one should understand for which one should ask for wisdom, that you are not pampering the ego of the person, because you know what is ego. But if you think by saying something it hurts another person better not say. Sahaja Yoga takes its own course and works out all those corrections; you don't have to worry about correcting others but just enjoying others. That you leave it to Me, that's My job. If you just enjoy each other and love each other, you have really returned all My love. That's all I want that, as I have loved you have to love each other, with all your heart with all your soul. Without expecting any return except that, the feeling that you have loved. May God bless this marriage and all other marriages that are going to come forward. As a Mother it is so fulfilling. Now I can retire gradually, I think I can. The great souls are going to be born, so we must await their coming. That's why it is necessary that establish good relationship and harmony because we all have to work together not separately on our own. Try to be harmonious as far as possible. We are thankful to Hesta (Spiro) for inviting us to this place, she was very kind. Really she's been always very, very kind, extremely kind. Very sweet of you to have invited us here, all of us, and we are going to have a very nice time now, very nice time. You wanted me to be here in the night and we're all going to enjoy ourselves the whole night and it's going to be wonderful. So what are you going to sing to the bride and the bridegroom? I would like them to sit on some chair at least. Ah, this is good for Cooly (Tony Paniotou) and both of them can sit together, come along. He's feeling more shy than the bride now give him a veil! Is better that he has a veil on him (laughing). Hesta is looking so sweet in that saree , very sweet (laughing). I'm missing Malcom (Murdoch) very much, he wrote such a sweet letter today, he’s very sweet. I'm happy Alan is here, you have to arrange also Alan's marriage one day, alright? Here sit down, yes, sit down, sit down there. Sit down, sit down. First the bride has to sit you see, after marriage bride is important. Sit down. So how did the ceremony went off? Good? So what is the program? Yogini: "We had tea Mother" Shri Mataji: "Tea, alright." Yogini: "Not very original suggestion." Shri Mataji:Whatever I think let's finish the dinner alright? Would be a good idea. All Harley Street is now looking out for patients because Arabs are going away! Who's going to pay them? They are spoilt really, poor things. What beautiful flowers uh? Beautiful. About the petrol? Yogini: Well we went shopping today in Houndsditch (a market road in the City of London near Petticoat Lane where there are many Indian/Bangladeshi shops) today to buy some sweets and things and when Hari was driving and when we went to start the car to come back it wouldn’t start, we couldn’t do a thing. So first we thought it was the petrol so we went looking for petrol. So we walked and walked then we got to the petrol station and they didn’t do diesel so we stood around for ages waiting for a taxi and nothing came, then Hari said we better pray to Mother. And just that minute, somebody called him over and asked him to start their car, to push it. And they ended up taking us to some place where we got diesel, taking us all the way back, and the car still wouldn’t start (laughter) Shri Mataji: No, but tell the, then the petrol was brought but still the car would not start. Then they had to go and get the oil, so they went and bought the oil. Then it would not open the bonnet you see so poor Hari was to learn everything about, so he learnt everything about the car and I was sitting quietly, sitting and watching everybody passing and coming down. Still it would not start. So then they said, "It's automatic it cannot start." So I said, "Then it's alright." I was sitting at that point, at that place throughout, you see, and then we had to take a train and both of us came by train, still I was enjoying Myself thoroughly. So then what I said you should say, because Christine said, "Mother aren't you tired, sitting in one place and sitting just there doing nothing, aren't you tired." And it was such a negative, I mean there was negative forces and I had to sit there. But what I told her was the thing, you just listen. So what did I say? Yogini: "That you had to be there." Shri Mataji: I had to be there, that's all. What is there to be tired, I mean that's My job? I enjoyed every minute of it, and I had to come by train, that was also so, everything has to be, so you have to do it. Linda Williams: And then Peter (Pierce) went there and just started the car just like that! Shri Mataji: Whole thing was like a drama. But you can make it very laborious, horrible, boring stuff you see. Whole thing was such a beautiful drama and I saw all kinds of people coming, walking. Most of them I think had either a limb missing, or a hand missing or a finger missing. All sorts of faces coming up that road and all kinds of women, all types I think all funny also and very, very, very adharmic women were passing that way and I had to do something about them. I think that is the spot I had to go. Which Marcus has said that, "Mother I know why you had to go to Houndsditch now, it's a hound's ditch!” You see. Yogini presents Mother with something. "Oh, thank you very much. Oh My God, how many things!" Yogini: Everybody has brought something. Shri Mataji: Except for Me, I brought Myself (laughter). Thank you. Yogini: You brought everything Mother! Shri Mataji: Can you push this in a little so that I can put it alright? Such a nice idea, you know, to have a foot, rest. Very good, thank you. What about these Maharastrian ladies were coming, they said they were going to come Yoginis: They were going to come we don’t know where they are. Shri Mataji: She has been asking Me to…. Now Chaya (Camille) is going to tell another story. Chaya, come along get up and say. First of all tell how I got it so cheap for them. (Chaya Camille tells a story about a buying a saree at a very cheap price and getting a border stitched and needing red thread and having to go to an unwell yogis place to get the red thread). Shri Mataji: See because of the red thread. Now there are three or four sarees selected out of which Cooly selected the red one and the red thread was with Patricia (Proenza), who was sick. If these people had not gone there she would not have been here and I would have missed her. Because they had to go and get the red thread from her and that's why she got cured and she's here. All these stories must be written down, isn't it? Just imagine what a small thing it is. But the saree's a miracle, absolutely because we had a big fight. I said, "I'll not take any sarees nothing, you’re not going to waste your money, all that." Then ultimately I think Peter was on my back all the time. "Mother please, please you must accept, you must accept." I said, "Alright." Then Maureen (Rossi) followed Me up to My house, she said, "Fifteen pounds is not, we have put twenty one between both of us, not much. Twenty one is good, twenty one You must accept, twenty one." Big fight was on. I told her, "In twenty one you'll get a nylon saree, I don't wear nylon. So what's the use of giving Me a nylon? You can't get cotton here, nothing, so forget it." And there it is £22, I gave in, really this is the miracle of your love, absolutely. This is not My miracle, you’re going to out beat Me I can tell you, in miracles! Because I was arguing and I thought this argument is going to hit the point but that also you have managed. Now, and for Guru Puja also same thing, I told him that, "I will not take a saree," and I said, "Don't give Me any shawl, because shawls I have many." But he found a shawl which I do not have for Guru Puja. Just because of his love, after all I don't need really anything. But just out of love things work out, just to suggest, you see, all these small things. How do you suggest. Red thread. That's why material things are just expressions of the movement of love, how the love works it out, how it puts it. Everything has that love pulsating. It happened also once in Bombay: I had a big quarrel on this saree business. I said, "I'll take only khaadi sarees, you see, khaadi sarees. Don't give Me anything expensive, I won't take anything." So I said, "The price should not be more that five pounds, that's the limit. Five pounds now is about hundred rupees, and a cotton khaadi saree is alright." But they had discovered that all cotton sarees are lying in Bombay, they don't go with Me to London. So Modi came to Me and he gave me a saree, silk saree. I said, "I've told you not to give me a silk saree, why did you give Me a silk saree?" He said, "Now Mother you really tell me, You won't believe the price of this is less than hundred rupees." I said, "How can that be, is an impossible." He said, "Just I was wondering now what to do, I have to again get this cotton saree, is Mother's instruction." A man knocked at my door and he said, "There are some saree's for sale would you like to see." He brought in these saree's and he said, "I have a very nice silk saree for you, if you want you can take it and I'll give it you very cheaply" And it was less than hundred, which you cannot get. And he said then, "I was so amazed that it fits into Mothers price and how is it, you see, won't believe, you ask my wife, you ask my children they were all there. But the fellow disappeared after that.” I don't know if it's a made up story (laughter). But it has happened with Me a many a times, small, small things like that. I went to Delhi once and I saw a very beautiful Ganesha made of stone, we call it serpentine, I don't know your serpentine is different from ours. It's a very expensive stone and I enquired in the shop I said, "How much for a Ganesha?" I thought I'll give to someone, some Sahaja Yogis I can give one. And he said it was five hundred rupees. I said, "If I give it to one then what will the others say, then I'll have to buy all of these and there aren't enough." When I came to Bombay, Gavin and all that is not here, you were there, I was amazed Modi gave you presents of serpentine stone, this Ganesha. I just started looking at it. I said, "How did he get that?" He said he had gone to Rajasthan last year, he got them very cheap from there and he had kept them for the Sahaja Yogis from the England, coming from England. You know I was so much enamoured by the beauty of Sahaja that I just desired that I would like, and to each and every person he gave, he gave you also, you were there. He gave you, you've got that one with you, you should show them. And I just watched him, you know. If I wanted this is five hundred rupees worth, and to one person if I give I have to give to all of them what will happen. And here he is, all of them got. So the working of love is so clearly seen, how it works out. That's why little bit giving to others and taking from others is important in Sahaja Yoga. There's nothing wrong if you give to someone and you take from. For example, you know that I also give lots of things. Because it's not the money that is important, it's not how much you have spent but how you expressed your love through little things like giving flowers or anything that you give with love. It has such a meaning, it is such a great thing. Otherwise what is all this matter, is useless. But it has a meaning when it has that feeling behind it, then it becomes great. It's like a mirror which is ah, that you you put the mercury behind [the glass], then it becomes a mirror, it starts reflecting. In the same way anything which has that feeling it acts like a mirror and then it starts reflecting, the love and the beauty of that person, you see. There are two nice stories about giving, and one [is] about Rama and one about Krishna but I don't know if I've told you about Rama stories and the Shabari an old aboriginal woman who was there and she gave the kind of a fruit (called ber - Ziziphus mauritiana) [that is] like berries, after testing them with her teeth, to Rama. Every fruit she took out, tested it nicely, I mean ate them in the sense that she pierced them with her teeth, to see they were sour or not and then they kept them collected in a bunch, I mean in a basket. And when He came, you see, she took them to Rama and she said to him, you see, I mean first she talked to all the leaves and all the trees and everyone that, "Give me the best fruits alright, He's coming now and I've adored Him, I have prayed for Him, now He's coming so you give me the best fruit." And then she collected all those things and she was waiting for Him to come and when He came she washed His feet and made Him sit down and then she offered this fruit. She said, "Every piece I have tested, so you can eat all of them because they're not at all sour.” Oh Rama took that immediately, started eating it, "What a nice thing! Really I've never eaten such fruits, never in My life I have had such good fruits. What taste! Immensely delicious!" and Lakshman the brother was getting very angry with her that, “what is this?” In India what is regarded [as] uttishtha (forbidden). You see, if somebody has eaten something except for [when] that person is a saint, you’re not suppose to eat that, and this lady had done all that, eating and he was enjoying it. So He told His wife, Sita, he said, "Oh, I cannot give you anything out of this, if you want to have more you should ask her to get some more. But I will never share anything!" So Sita says, "No, no, no, no. Little bit let me also enjoy. What is this? You’re going to enjoy everything. It's no good after all I am your ardhani, I'm your half personality so you cannot eat the whole, You have to give Me little bit." Then she took some, and she started eating, then She tells Her brother-in-law, She says, you see , “I’ve never eaten really such nice fruits, so I'm not going to give You anything even if You ask for it, I'm not going to give You can ask Your brother." His brother said, "No I've shared with You but why should I share with Him, You can share with Him why should I share, this is so great,” you see, and She was praising and praising, then Lakshman said, "Alright, let me also have a little." so She says, "Alright I will give you only few." Rama said, "Alright first you give, then I will see how much I can give." So She counted and gave Him, He ate. He said, “Really, there’s something, something I don't know, it's like amrutfal,” Amrutfal is the fruit of nectar, you see, “I just cannot imagine what a taste it is.” He asked Rama, "After all You cannot be that selfish You are My elder brother You have to share Your things with Me. Better give me some,” and they started, you see, quarreling about it. Such a beautiful description in the Ramayana, of Shabari ke ber, the bers of Shabari. This is one of the things (stories). The second is when Krishna became the king He had a friend who was a, when He was a student, When Krishna was studying, this friend Sudama was studying with Him. You see, they both were great friends. Then Krishna became a great king and Sudama became a poor brahmin living in Dwarika. And so he said, "I must go and see the king, and though He's my friend He won't recognise me. So, doesn't matter, but I must go and meet him after so many years I'm going to meet Him, so I must go and meet Him. Somehow I'll find ways of meeting the king." So he said now he asked his wife, "Is there anything in the house that I can take for him to eat." She said, "We are so poor what do we have to give to a king, we don't have anything." He said, "Alright, if you don't have anything at least he'll be having” that we eat as called as something, “chiwda”. That is made from the rice, pounded rice, and you see, he must have eaten that sort of a thing, it’s very cheap stuff. So he said, "Alright give me a little bit of that and I'll take this to him." She said, "Aren’t you ashamed of yourself? You are going to see a king and here you are, you haven't got proper clothes and you are taking this chiwda for him which even you wouldn't take to a poor friend and to a king are you supposed to take this chiwda?" He said, "Whatever it is now then I must take something. I can't go like this after all I’m meeting My friend. For so many years I have not met him, after all I'm going as a friend and as children we used to enjoy everything. So I will take it." So he tied it up in a small little bundle and put it in his covering cloth that we use. And he was a very poor man with all his bones and very thin body wearing a dhoti and little covering cloth, and he just hid it under that covering cloth and went to see Him. And Krishna knew that he was going to come. He had told his wives, He had five wives that time, these were the five elements, you see. So He said, "My great friend is coming, you all have to make all the preparations for his bath, for his food and he's to be treated like the greatest VIP and there should be not mistake at all! And you plan it out properly, if there’s any mistake and you have to wash his feet and wipe his feet with your hair, so clean you hair first of all." - To the Queens! Can you imagine? All these orders were on. And He had told all the people that, "There's a friend of mine who's going to come." So, all the people were informed, guards were informed that a friend of Shri Krishna is coming, everybody should be on his best behaviour(?). And they thought he'll come on a elephant, you see, with a big trumpet blowing in front, His friend [was] coming, after all, Sudama. So here Sudama walks, you see, with his little thing hiding here. A thin, lean, short gentleman and knocks at the door. So the guard asked, "Who are you? Why are you coming here just now keep away, because Shri Krishna friend is coming and we are all waiting for Him and where are you going you look like a beggar?" He said, "Alright which friend is coming?" He said, "There’s somebody coming so you don't worry now." He said, "Alright but please go and tell Shri Krishna that your friend Sudama has come, will you have some time to see me tomorrow?" He said, "Are you Sudama?" He Said, "Oh God, we are sorry!” You see, they all prostrated themselves before him. They opened the door, “Oh God you are Sudama why didn't you say, we are sorry sir, we are very sorry." And they all prostrated [before him]. They said, "We never knew you are Sudama." And then the news went that, "Sudama has come." Shri Krishna has gone for his retirement and there were, His wives were pressing His feet. He heard it is true. He ran, "Oh my friend has come." He ran all the way, He ran from the staircases, He ran, running with His whole this...He was wearing, that dhoti, as we call it. You see, it was all falling out and He was running and holding it and running that His friend has come and He went and embraced him, and the tears started flowing from His face. And He said, "Oh my friend, how many years you have not even remembered me? Now you come down. and He took him inside and He made him sit in his own place and sat next to him. And this fellow was feeling very shy with his torn clothes and all that, you know. So he said that, “Right now you have to tell me one thing first of all, my sister in law,” is Sudama's wife, “must have give you something for Me?” He said, "No, no, you see, what can we bring for you are a king." He said, "No, no, that's not possible! Must be, there must be something. (somebody gives some wedding cake to Shri Mataji) Great! It’s nice. Beautiful. Very well done. Very soft. So Krishna got after him, he said, "No, no, you have tell me what has she sent for Me?" "No she has not given anything." He said, " Now what are you hiding under that cloth of yours?" He said, "You know nothing, nothing." So he pulled it out. He said, "Oh this is what she sent for Me," and he opened it, He said, “This I'm not going to give to anyone,” and He started eating like a glutton, you see, whole thing started with both the hands. So Sudama said, “Still you are just the same the same, the same child.” I said, "What do you mean, you want it? I'm not going to give you." So he looked at Him. Then He told his wife, “You don't look at him, don't feel jealous, I'm not going to give her anything out of it even a drop.” So the Queen says, “Don't you think we deserve a little at least?” “Alright if something falls down you can have it, but not from my hand I will not give. It is such a precious thing, is soooo tasty, it is so beautifully done. You cannot get it in the whole world like this." So the Queen knew what it was. She said. “Little bit if you give us as a prasad it will be good,” So Sudama said, "Don't be so selfish, after all it's not that good you are just bluffing, why don't you give?” He said, “I am not bluffing.” And then he gave it to them and they said, “Really? We have never had such a thing! What is this precious? What is this beautiful thing?” And they really all enjoyed. And then he said, "Now you have had a bath you had a nice sleep now I want to show everyone my friend, so we are going to take you out in a procession. So he made good clothes for him and He said, "Now we are all going to go out, celebrate." He said' "No Babaa, my cloths are alright." He said, "No, but, for my sake, it won't look nice you see. I'll wear your clothes, you wear mine." So he took his clothes and he made him wear His own clothes. He said, "Oh, no, no, no, now you wear your clothes and I can wear these,” and they got into the procession. Now there's a question in India that, when a procession is taken out, of a bride or a bridegroom, they put money or something just to take out the bad eyes, you see. That’s called vicharo (?). They just start throwing on people like that. Coins and things and all kinds. So Krishna was throwing jewels and pearls just to take out his bad eye you see (laughing), there should not be any bad eye on His friend! So He had asked them to put. Now the poor brahmin, Sudama, was thinking, “Not even one has fallen into my lap and He's taking out my bad eye!” (Mother is laughing) “Look at Him, why doesn't he understand that at least one should fall in my lap and the rest He's throwing it to others taking out my bad eye, and that people should not have bad eyes on me. So He’s distributing this to the poor, but I'm the poorest of poor I can't even get one out of that!! And Krishna was smiling! Then after the whole procession was over and the meeting was over and then they had food and everything and next morning he said, "Now I must go back to my wife." So when he went back he went in the same dress the he had come. And he couldn’t recognise, his house was missing, everything was missing, he said, “What has happened?” There was a very, very beautiful palace there. He just stood there and they, all people started saluting him. He said, "You are our master. Please come in this is your own house, and his wife all decked up in jewellery and all that comes out. He started looking at it, "How is it that this is my house and you are my wife is it? And these are my children?” She said “This is all yours, Krishna Himself came here and did all this when you were sleeping there.” So you can imagine the love of God. For that. And then he was eating he said, "I cannot compensate this taste, this joy that I'm getting, even if I could give you palaces after palaces” So this is what is giving and taking. See the beauty and the joy. (break in recording) So you see the people living in this country, they said, "It's all right sir we don't mind but as Cypriots, as called as from Cyprus, Cypriots, may be called as something else! (laughter) we are not prepared for that (laughing). For (?) the idiots you see. For he really is a real idiot I think! There’s another one [Colonel] Gaddafi! Gadha means, in Hindi language means a donkey! (laughter) Really, it is. Gaddafi! (laughing) Yogini: ...we were looking round and buying flowers and it was really nice. Shri Mataji: There's another market which is of flowers, which is that called as? Yogi: Covent Garden Shri Mataji: Covent Garden, is the same thing, is a continuation, Covent Garden yes. Alright so? (Yogini tells story about going to a market to buy flowers for the wedding and how they got a cheaper price for that and how sweet the flower sellers were.) Shri Mataji: See now, they live with flowers you see, they live with flowers and they are so nice. But I knew something would happen even in the flower garden when you would go there, you see it works out. They are very simple people and it will work out there much faster than anywhere else. I have to go one day. What beautiful flowers actually, they are really, I mean. Ray Harris: I’ll read the Hebrew first, read the chorus I’ll just read it through because it’s just such a beautiful poem. Shri Mataji: Read loudly. Everybody should hear it Ray Harris: (Reads out a poem in Hebrew from the Torah presumably) Shri Mataji: Beautiful. It’s like mantras. All these scriptures are nothing but mantras. Clears your left nabhi. That is Gruha Lakshmi. (break in recording) Who are not Sahaja Yogis and ones who are Sahaja Yogis, can you find any third (type)? I mean the second category includes all bhoots, everything put together, from rakshasas to anything. So all of them on one side, Sahaja Yogis on the other side. So any, any thing, which is so great as a scripture is debased because they're not authorised! If this is understood, you see, everybody’s opening out, can you imagine what silence? So to claim that you're a Sahaja Yogi as just now read out, to be awakened, to arise, and not be ashamed to say that. So go out, all out and say that you are realised souls. Like Pat (Anslow) told me, that they said if you are a realised soul you should be able to build a pyramid, are they mad? Why should we have pyramids now we have to build human beings. We have had enough of these nonsensical things. You have to build human beings now. Once it is understood that we have to build the human beings, and when you start talking like that then they will know that you are realised souls. Your faces show that, anybody can see that you are flowers of the Creation. On a tree people know where are the flowers; that the leaves are leaves and flowers are flowers. You look [like] flowers. Nobody has to doubt on that. You all looks flowers but you have to tell them what to do now, these blind people, that we are flowers now, see our fragrance, they are blind. (A child is singing innocently.) Very good, come here. Yogini: She’s shy Bhavasagara can be engulfed by these horrible crocodiles which are around so we feel sorry for that and we have to pull him back, because he’s so precious. I know his greatness very much that’s why he’s so precious. We never did this for Mr. Sharma who wrote a very, what you call? Treatise, you see. Nobody bothered about him. [Dr.] Rustom of course we are bothered. I know him too well. You are actually giving him strength to come out of that crocodile. (must be giving bandhan) Ha! You see better? You see, here there is no such judgment you know? Like somebody is very nice, somebody's bad - that's not the point! Today, where are the vibrations just now at this moment? All that is past. At this moment if the vibrations are alright, not alright you must help him. Next moment he'll be helping you. It's the present point, at this point. Better now? Ray Harris: A bit caught up on the left. Shri Mataji: Left is. Huh? Put it in the centre.	null	null	null	Advice on marriage on the occasion of Tony (Cooly) Paniotou's wedding at Hesta Spiro's mother's house, Abbey Lodge, London (England), 4 July 1980. For today, specially I am very happy with Cooly (Tony Paniotou), Cooly is such an ardent Sahaja Yogi, and Dawn has done so much spreading of Sahaja Yoga, brought so many people from Brighton. Both of them are great Sahaja Yogis. You all have to be really thankful for all these great occasions. Because of her people have Sahaja Yoga and because of him many have stayed in Sahaja Yoga and consolidated it. So it's a very great day for us to feel very proud. Moreover, I think this marriages seldom have been performed before, where so many realised souls have attended a wedding! So the grace of God has descended on this earth in such a beautiful way. It has many dimensions of beauty and joy [that is] very hard to express beyond this feeling, understanding. It's really great. My only advice is that, we must learn to enjoy, this capacity we have lost. That's the only thing we have lost is the method of enjoyment, everything [else] is there. Just you have to try to find out ways and methods of enjoyment so you will not get into arguments, will not try to criticise, will not try to find faults with each other. Just try to enjoy each other. Enjoyment comes out of whatever is good. Say, if a fruit has got some part which is sour and some part which is rotten, you take out that part of the fruit which is alright and enjoy it. In the same way when you are dealing with your partners and friends, then other Sahaja Yogis you must put your attention to the good points of other Sahaja Yogis and then you will imbibe those good points within you. But your attention should be on good points because that is what is enjoyable in the other person. By seeing the bad points you become a miserable creature and make the other fellow also miserable. By that you do not help yourself neither you help the other person. So the best thing to do is to enjoy the best part in others, and you'll be amazed [that], by that enjoyment, the other feels very secured, happy, joyous and that goodness starts spreading to other parts of the body, to other parts of the being, other parts of the mind and the whole can be made very beautiful. And enjoyment can give you the real insight into the understanding of others. If you cannot enjoy another person that means something wrong with you, not with that person. After realisation, specially, it should be very easy. Before realisation of course I don't say - that could be very difficult. But after realisation one should try to see the good points. Like, in a room there is light, in another room there is no light so we take the light from one room to another, to another, and another. We cannot bring light from the dark room. In the same way we have to go, move, from the part that is enjoyable to other parts and this has very subtle effect, extremely subtle. When you start enjoying another person he develops self-esteem and he tries to be enjoyable also. But the relationship between husband and wife is very, very intimate, and the enjoyment should be maximum between them when they are Sahaja Yogis. But they should give up the old patterns of married lives as there are, like: husband can do whatever he likes and he's free. And the wife is free to do whatever she likes, she's on her own and he's on his own and nobody should object and that sort of a nonsensical life. Because you're not on your own. You are part of the Whole. You're all joined together. You all have to work in such a way that you feel that unity within yourself. This is what one does not realise that we cannot be on our own. Your freedom is in enjoying the freedom of others, not abandonment. After realisation the freedom lies in understanding the freedom of others not your own freedom, the so-called. That is how you'll get over your aggressiveness. And for small, small things, for petty things, for useless things a Sahaja Yogi is not going to argue because he's found out something so high, so absolute. I'll give you an example, how a Sahaja Yogi can behave and a non-sahaja yogi. For example, a non-sahaja yogi comes to a room which is decorated say by a wife and now, he comes says, "Oh I don't like this colour, I, I don't like that colour." You see, "Why did you put that? And this could have been cheaper," some sort of thing like that. ‘I’. Or the wife can do the same. But when a Sahaja Yogi marries a non-sahaja yogi he says, "Do you like it? Then I like it. Did you like it? Really you liked it, then I like it. If you have liked it, I would like. Whatever you believe, I will believe into it." This “I believe”, “I believe, I like" - these words go away. Third is, “I think”. We do not think. Sahaja Yogis do not think, we are beyond thinking (laughing), so you should say, “I enjoy being with you.” “I enjoy being your wife, or your husband.” Our terminology has to change because now we have become the suckers of joy, not of misery. The whole priorities must be changed in life. How to please others should be the priority. How to make the other person feel the trust. How much can you give, not take. Who out beats the other in giving, who is more generous between the two. For example, say, one Sahaja Yogi has a friend and another is her husband or wife, whatever it is, then [if] the friend is coming, then the husband or wife who is not the friend must go all out to help the wife or the husband to make the friendship stronger, purer, beautiful, just to please your companion but not to pamper the ego. This is a very subtle thing one should understand for which one should ask for wisdom, that you are not pampering the ego of the person, because you know what is ego. But if you think by saying something it hurts another person better not say. Sahaja Yoga takes its own course and works out all those corrections; you don't have to worry about correcting others but just enjoying others. That you leave it to Me, that's My job. If you just enjoy each other and love each other, you have really returned all My love. That's all I want that, as I have loved you have to love each other, with all your heart with all your soul. Without expecting any return except that, the feeling that you have loved. May God bless this marriage and all other marriages that are going to come forward. As a Mother it is so fulfilling. Now I can retire gradually, I think I can. The great souls are going to be born, so we must await their coming. That's why it is necessary that establish good relationship and harmony because we all have to work together not separately on our own. Try to be harmonious as far as possible. We are thankful to Hesta (Spiro) for inviting us to this place, she was very kind. Really she's been always very, very kind, extremely kind. Very sweet of you to have invited us here, all of us, and we are going to have a very nice time now, very nice time. You wanted me to be here in the night and we're all going to enjoy ourselves the whole night and it's going to be wonderful. So what are you going to sing to the bride and the bridegroom? I would like them to sit on some chair at least. Ah, this is good for Cooly (Tony Paniotou) and both of them can sit together, come along. He's feeling more shy than the bride now give him a veil! Is better that he has a veil on him (laughing). Hesta is looking so sweet in that saree , very sweet (laughing). I'm missing Malcom (Murdoch) very much, he wrote such a sweet letter today, he’s very sweet. I'm happy Alan is here, you have to arrange also Alan's marriage one day, alright? Here sit down, yes, sit down, sit down there. Sit down, sit down. First the bride has to sit you see, after marriage bride is important. Sit down. So how did the ceremony went off? Good? So what is the program? Yogini: "We had tea Mother" Shri Mataji: "Tea, alright." Yogini: "Not very original suggestion." Shri Mataji:Whatever I think let's finish the dinner alright? Would be a good idea. All Harley Street is now looking out for patients because Arabs are going away! Who's going to pay them? They are spoilt really, poor things. What beautiful flowers uh? Beautiful. About the petrol? Yogini: Well we went shopping today in Houndsditch (a market road in the City of London near Petticoat Lane where there are many Indian/Bangladeshi shops) today to buy some sweets and things and when Hari was driving and when we went to start the car to come back it wouldn’t start, we couldn’t do a thing. So first we thought it was the petrol so we went looking for petrol. So we walked and walked then we got to the petrol station and they didn’t do diesel so we stood around for ages waiting for a taxi and nothing came, then Hari said we better pray to Mother. And just that minute, somebody called him over and asked him to start their car, to push it. And they ended up taking us to some place where we got diesel, taking us all the way back, and the car still wouldn’t start (laughter) Shri Mataji: No, but tell the, then the petrol was brought but still the car would not start. Then they had to go and get the oil, so they went and bought the oil. Then it would not open the bonnet you see so poor Hari was to learn everything about, so he learnt everything about the car and I was sitting quietly, sitting and watching everybody passing and coming down. Still it would not start. So then they said, "It's automatic it cannot start." So I said, "Then it's alright." I was sitting at that point, at that place throughout, you see, and then we had to take a train and both of us came by train, still I was enjoying Myself thoroughly. So then what I said you should say, because Christine said, "Mother aren't you tired, sitting in one place and sitting just there doing nothing, aren't you tired." And it was such a negative, I mean there was negative forces and I had to sit there. But what I told her was the thing, you just listen. So what did I say? Yogini: "That you had to be there." Shri Mataji: I had to be there, that's all. What is there to be tired, I mean that's My job? I enjoyed every minute of it, and I had to come by train, that was also so, everything has to be, so you have to do it. Linda Williams: And then Peter (Pierce) went there and just started the car just like that! Shri Mataji: Whole thing was like a drama. But you can make it very laborious, horrible, boring stuff you see. Whole thing was such a beautiful drama and I saw all kinds of people coming, walking. Most of them I think had either a limb missing, or a hand missing or a finger missing. All sorts of faces coming up that road and all kinds of women, all types I think all funny also and very, very, very adharmic women were passing that way and I had to do something about them. I think that is the spot I had to go. Which Marcus has said that, "Mother I know why you had to go to Houndsditch now, it's a hound's ditch!” You see. Yogini presents Mother with something. "Oh, thank you very much. Oh My God, how many things!" Yogini: Everybody has brought something. Shri Mataji: Except for Me, I brought Myself (laughter). Thank you. Yogini: You brought everything Mother! Shri Mataji: Can you push this in a little so that I can put it alright? Such a nice idea, you know, to have a foot, rest. Very good, thank you. What about these Maharastrian ladies were coming, they said they were going to come Yoginis: They were going to come we don’t know where they are. Shri Mataji: She has been asking Me to…. Now Chaya (Camille) is going to tell another story. Chaya, come along get up and say. First of all tell how I got it so cheap for them. (Chaya Camille tells a story about a buying a saree at a very cheap price and getting a border stitched and needing red thread and having to go to an unwell yogis place to get the red thread). Shri Mataji: See because of the red thread. Now there are three or four sarees selected out of which Cooly selected the red one and the red thread was with Patricia (Proenza), who was sick. If these people had not gone there she would not have been here and I would have missed her. Because they had to go and get the red thread from her and that's why she got cured and she's here. All these stories must be written down, isn't it? Just imagine what a small thing it is. But the saree's a miracle, absolutely because we had a big fight. I said, "I'll not take any sarees nothing, you’re not going to waste your money, all that." Then ultimately I think Peter was on my back all the time. "Mother please, please you must accept, you must accept." I said, "Alright." Then Maureen (Rossi) followed Me up to My house, she said, "Fifteen pounds is not, we have put twenty one between both of us, not much. Twenty one is good, twenty one You must accept, twenty one." Big fight was on. I told her, "In twenty one you'll get a nylon saree, I don't wear nylon. So what's the use of giving Me a nylon? You can't get cotton here, nothing, so forget it." And there it is £22, I gave in, really this is the miracle of your love, absolutely. This is not My miracle, you’re going to out beat Me I can tell you, in miracles! Because I was arguing and I thought this argument is going to hit the point but that also you have managed. Now, and for Guru Puja also same thing, I told him that, "I will not take a saree," and I said, "Don't give Me any shawl, because shawls I have many." But he found a shawl which I do not have for Guru Puja. Just because of his love, after all I don't need really anything. But just out of love things work out, just to suggest, you see, all these small things. How do you suggest. Red thread. That's why material things are just expressions of the movement of love, how the love works it out, how it puts it. Everything has that love pulsating. It happened also once in Bombay: I had a big quarrel on this saree business. I said, "I'll take only khaadi sarees, you see, khaadi sarees. Don't give Me anything expensive, I won't take anything." So I said, "The price should not be more that five pounds, that's the limit. Five pounds now is about hundred rupees, and a cotton khaadi saree is alright." But they had discovered that all cotton sarees are lying in Bombay, they don't go with Me to London. So Modi came to Me and he gave me a saree, silk saree. I said, "I've told you not to give me a silk saree, why did you give Me a silk saree?" He said, "Now Mother you really tell me, You won't believe the price of this is less than hundred rupees." I said, "How can that be, is an impossible." He said, "Just I was wondering now what to do, I have to again get this cotton saree, is Mother's instruction." A man knocked at my door and he said, "There are some saree's for sale would you like to see." He brought in these saree's and he said, "I have a very nice silk saree for you, if you want you can take it and I'll give it you very cheaply" And it was less than hundred, which you cannot get. And he said then, "I was so amazed that it fits into Mothers price and how is it, you see, won't believe, you ask my wife, you ask my children they were all there. But the fellow disappeared after that.” I don't know if it's a made up story (laughter). But it has happened with Me a many a times, small, small things like that. I went to Delhi once and I saw a very beautiful Ganesha made of stone, we call it serpentine, I don't know your serpentine is different from ours. It's a very expensive stone and I enquired in the shop I said, "How much for a Ganesha?" I thought I'll give to someone, some Sahaja Yogis I can give one. And he said it was five hundred rupees. I said, "If I give it to one then what will the others say, then I'll have to buy all of these and there aren't enough." When I came to Bombay, Gavin and all that is not here, you were there, I was amazed Modi gave you presents of serpentine stone, this Ganesha. I just started looking at it. I said, "How did he get that?" He said he had gone to Rajasthan last year, he got them very cheap from there and he had kept them for the Sahaja Yogis from the England, coming from England. You know I was so much enamoured by the beauty of Sahaja that I just desired that I would like, and to each and every person he gave, he gave you also, you were there. He gave you, you've got that one with you, you should show them. And I just watched him, you know. If I wanted this is five hundred rupees worth, and to one person if I give I have to give to all of them what will happen. And here he is, all of them got. So the working of love is so clearly seen, how it works out. That's why little bit giving to others and taking from others is important in Sahaja Yoga. There's nothing wrong if you give to someone and you take from. For example, you know that I also give lots of things. Because it's not the money that is important, it's not how much you have spent but how you expressed your love through little things like giving flowers or anything that you give with love. It has such a meaning, it is such a great thing. Otherwise what is all this matter, is useless. But it has a meaning when it has that feeling behind it, then it becomes great. It's like a mirror which is ah, that you you put the mercury behind [the glass], then it becomes a mirror, it starts reflecting. In the same way anything which has that feeling it acts like a mirror and then it starts reflecting, the love and the beauty of that person, you see. There are two nice stories about giving, and one [is] about Rama and one about Krishna but I don't know if I've told you about Rama stories and the Shabari an old aboriginal woman who was there and she gave the kind of a fruit (called ber - Ziziphus mauritiana) [that is] like berries, after testing them with her teeth, to Rama. Every fruit she took out, tested it nicely, I mean ate them in the sense that she pierced them with her teeth, to see they were sour or not and then they kept them collected in a bunch, I mean in a basket. And when He came, you see, she took them to Rama and she said to him, you see, I mean first she talked to all the leaves and all the trees and everyone that, "Give me the best fruits alright, He's coming now and I've adored Him, I have prayed for Him, now He's coming so you give me the best fruit." And then she collected all those things and she was waiting for Him to come and when He came she washed His feet and made Him sit down and then she offered this fruit. She said, "Every piece I have tested, so you can eat all of them because they're not at all sour.” Oh Rama took that immediately, started eating it, "What a nice thing! Really I've never eaten such fruits, never in My life I have had such good fruits. What taste! Immensely delicious!" and Lakshman the brother was getting very angry with her that, “what is this?” In India what is regarded [as] uttishtha (forbidden). You see, if somebody has eaten something except for [when] that person is a saint, you’re not suppose to eat that, and this lady had done all that, eating and he was enjoying it. So He told His wife, Sita, he said, "Oh, I cannot give you anything out of this, if you want to have more you should ask her to get some more. But I will never share anything!" So Sita says, "No, no, no, no. Little bit let me also enjoy. What is this? You’re going to enjoy everything. It's no good after all I am your ardhani, I'm your half personality so you cannot eat the whole, You have to give Me little bit." Then she took some, and she started eating, then She tells Her brother-in-law, She says, you see , “I’ve never eaten really such nice fruits, so I'm not going to give You anything even if You ask for it, I'm not going to give You can ask Your brother." His brother said, "No I've shared with You but why should I share with Him, You can share with Him why should I share, this is so great,” you see, and She was praising and praising, then Lakshman said, "Alright, let me also have a little." so She says, "Alright I will give you only few." Rama said, "Alright first you give, then I will see how much I can give." So She counted and gave Him, He ate. He said, “Really, there’s something, something I don't know, it's like amrutfal,” Amrutfal is the fruit of nectar, you see, “I just cannot imagine what a taste it is.” He asked Rama, "After all You cannot be that selfish You are My elder brother You have to share Your things with Me. Better give me some,” and they started, you see, quarreling about it. Such a beautiful description in the Ramayana, of Shabari ke ber, the bers of Shabari. This is one of the things (stories). The second is when Krishna became the king He had a friend who was a, when He was a student, When Krishna was studying, this friend Sudama was studying with Him. You see, they both were great friends. Then Krishna became a great king and Sudama became a poor brahmin living in Dwarika. And so he said, "I must go and see the king, and though He's my friend He won't recognise me. So, doesn't matter, but I must go and meet him after so many years I'm going to meet Him, so I must go and meet Him. Somehow I'll find ways of meeting the king." So he said now he asked his wife, "Is there anything in the house that I can take for him to eat." She said, "We are so poor what do we have to give to a king, we don't have anything." He said, "Alright, if you don't have anything at least he'll be having” that we eat as called as something, “chiwda”. That is made from the rice, pounded rice, and you see, he must have eaten that sort of a thing, it’s very cheap stuff. So he said, "Alright give me a little bit of that and I'll take this to him." She said, "Aren’t you ashamed of yourself? You are going to see a king and here you are, you haven't got proper clothes and you are taking this chiwda for him which even you wouldn't take to a poor friend and to a king are you supposed to take this chiwda?" He said, "Whatever it is now then I must take something. I can't go like this after all I’m meeting My friend. For so many years I have not met him, after all I'm going as a friend and as children we used to enjoy everything. So I will take it." So he tied it up in a small little bundle and put it in his covering cloth that we use. And he was a very poor man with all his bones and very thin body wearing a dhoti and little covering cloth, and he just hid it under that covering cloth and went to see Him. And Krishna knew that he was going to come. He had told his wives, He had five wives that time, these were the five elements, you see. So He said, "My great friend is coming, you all have to make all the preparations for his bath, for his food and he's to be treated like the greatest VIP and there should be not mistake at all! And you plan it out properly, if there’s any mistake and you have to wash his feet and wipe his feet with your hair, so clean you hair first of all." - To the Queens! Can you imagine? All these orders were on. And He had told all the people that, "There's a friend of mine who's going to come." So, all the people were informed, guards were informed that a friend of Shri Krishna is coming, everybody should be on his best behaviour(?). And they thought he'll come on a elephant, you see, with a big trumpet blowing in front, His friend [was] coming, after all, Sudama. So here Sudama walks, you see, with his little thing hiding here. A thin, lean, short gentleman and knocks at the door. So the guard asked, "Who are you? Why are you coming here just now keep away, because Shri Krishna friend is coming and we are all waiting for Him and where are you going you look like a beggar?" He said, "Alright which friend is coming?" He said, "There’s somebody coming so you don't worry now." He said, "Alright but please go and tell Shri Krishna that your friend Sudama has come, will you have some time to see me tomorrow?" He said, "Are you Sudama?" He Said, "Oh God, we are sorry!” You see, they all prostrated themselves before him. They opened the door, “Oh God you are Sudama why didn't you say, we are sorry sir, we are very sorry." And they all prostrated [before him]. They said, "We never knew you are Sudama." And then the news went that, "Sudama has come." Shri Krishna has gone for his retirement and there were, His wives were pressing His feet. He heard it is true. He ran, "Oh my friend has come." He ran all the way, He ran from the staircases, He ran, running with His whole this...He was wearing, that dhoti, as we call it. You see, it was all falling out and He was running and holding it and running that His friend has come and He went and embraced him, and the tears started flowing from His face. And He said, "Oh my friend, how many years you have not even remembered me? Now you come down. and He took him inside and He made him sit in his own place and sat next to him. And this fellow was feeling very shy with his torn clothes and all that, you know. So he said that, “Right now you have to tell me one thing first of all, my sister in law,” is Sudama's wife, “must have give you something for Me?” He said, "No, no, you see, what can we bring for you are a king." He said, "No, no, that's not possible! Must be, there must be something. (somebody gives some wedding cake to Shri Mataji) Great! It’s nice. Beautiful. Very well done. Very soft. So Krishna got after him, he said, "No, no, you have tell me what has she sent for Me?" "No she has not given anything." He said, " Now what are you hiding under that cloth of yours?" He said, "You know nothing, nothing." So he pulled it out. He said, "Oh this is what she sent for Me," and he opened it, He said, “This I'm not going to give to anyone,” and He started eating like a glutton, you see, whole thing started with both the hands. So Sudama said, “Still you are just the same the same, the same child.” I said, "What do you mean, you want it? I'm not going to give you." So he looked at Him. Then He told his wife, “You don't look at him, don't feel jealous, I'm not going to give her anything out of it even a drop.” So the Queen says, “Don't you think we deserve a little at least?” “Alright if something falls down you can have it, but not from my hand I will not give. It is such a precious thing, is soooo tasty, it is so beautifully done. You cannot get it in the whole world like this." So the Queen knew what it was. She said. “Little bit if you give us as a prasad it will be good,” So Sudama said, "Don't be so selfish, after all it's not that good you are just bluffing, why don't you give?” He said, “I am not bluffing.” And then he gave it to them and they said, “Really? We have never had such a thing! What is this precious? What is this beautiful thing?” And they really all enjoyed. And then he said, "Now you have had a bath you had a nice sleep now I want to show everyone my friend, so we are going to take you out in a procession. So he made good clothes for him and He said, "Now we are all going to go out, celebrate." He said' "No Babaa, my cloths are alright." He said, "No, but, for my sake, it won't look nice you see. I'll wear your clothes, you wear mine." So he took his clothes and he made him wear His own clothes. He said, "Oh, no, no, no, now you wear your clothes and I can wear these,” and they got into the procession. Now there's a question in India that, when a procession is taken out, of a bride or a bridegroom, they put money or something just to take out the bad eyes, you see. That’s called vicharo (?). They just start throwing on people like that. Coins and things and all kinds. So Krishna was throwing jewels and pearls just to take out his bad eye you see (laughing), there should not be any bad eye on His friend! So He had asked them to put. Now the poor brahmin, Sudama, was thinking, “Not even one has fallen into my lap and He's taking out my bad eye!” (Mother is laughing) “Look at Him, why doesn't he understand that at least one should fall in my lap and the rest He's throwing it to others taking out my bad eye, and that people should not have bad eyes on me. So He’s distributing this to the poor, but I'm the poorest of poor I can't even get one out of that!! And Krishna was smiling! Then after the whole procession was over and the meeting was over and then they had food and everything and next morning he said, "Now I must go back to my wife." So when he went back he went in the same dress the he had come. And he couldn’t recognise, his house was missing, everything was missing, he said, “What has happened?” There was a very, very beautiful palace there. He just stood there and they, all people started saluting him. He said, "You are our master. Please come in this is your own house, and his wife all decked up in jewellery and all that comes out. He started looking at it, "How is it that this is my house and you are my wife is it? And these are my children?” She said “This is all yours, Krishna Himself came here and did all this when you were sleeping there.” So you can imagine the love of God. For that. And then he was eating he said, "I cannot compensate this taste, this joy that I'm getting, even if I could give you palaces after palaces” So this is what is giving and taking. See the beauty and the joy. (break in recording) So you see the people living in this country, they said, "It's all right sir we don't mind but as Cypriots, as called as from Cyprus, Cypriots, may be called as something else! (laughter) we are not prepared for that (laughing). For (?) the idiots you see. For he really is a real idiot I think! There’s another one [Colonel] Gaddafi! Gadha means, in Hindi language means a donkey! (laughter) Really, it is. Gaddafi! (laughing) Yogini: ...we were looking round and buying flowers and it was really nice. Shri Mataji: There's another market which is of flowers, which is that called as? Yogi: Covent Garden Shri Mataji: Covent Garden, is the same thing, is a continuation, Covent Garden yes. Alright so? (Yogini tells story about going to a market to buy flowers for the wedding and how they got a cheaper price for that and how sweet the flower sellers were.) Shri Mataji: See now, they live with flowers you see, they live with flowers and they are so nice. But I knew something would happen even in the flower garden when you would go there, you see it works out. They are very simple people and it will work out there much faster than anywhere else. I have to go one day. What beautiful flowers actually, they are really, I mean. Ray Harris: I’ll read the Hebrew first, read the chorus I’ll just read it through because it’s just such a beautiful poem. Shri Mataji: Read loudly. Everybody should hear it Ray Harris: (Reads out a poem in Hebrew from the Torah presumably) Shri Mataji: Beautiful. It’s like mantras. All these scriptures are nothing but mantras. Clears your left nabhi. That is Gruha Lakshmi. (break in recording) Who are not Sahaja Yogis and ones who are Sahaja Yogis, can you find any third (type)? I mean the second category includes all bhoots, everything put together, from rakshasas to anything. So all of them on one side, Sahaja Yogis on the other side. So any, any thing, which is so great as a scripture is debased because they're not authorised! If this is understood, you see, everybody’s opening out, can you imagine what silence? So to claim that you're a Sahaja Yogi as just now read out, to be awakened, to arise, and not be ashamed to say that. So go out, all out and say that you are realised souls. Like Pat (Anslow) told me, that they said if you are a realised soul you should be able to build a pyramid, are they mad? Why should we have pyramids now we have to build human beings. We have had enough of these nonsensical things. You have to build human beings now. Once it is understood that we have to build the human beings, and when you start talking like that then they will know that you are realised souls. Your faces show that, anybody can see that you are flowers of the Creation. On a tree people know where are the flowers; that the leaves are leaves and flowers are flowers. You look [like] flowers. Nobody has to doubt on that. You all looks flowers but you have to tell them what to do now, these blind people, that we are flowers now, see our fragrance, they are blind. (A child is singing innocently.) Very good, come here. Yogini: She’s shy Bhavasagara can be engulfed by these horrible crocodiles which are around so we feel sorry for that and we have to pull him back, because he’s so precious. I know his greatness very much that’s why he’s so precious. We never did this for Mr. Sharma who wrote a very, what you call? Treatise, you see. Nobody bothered about him. [Dr.] Rustom of course we are bothered. I know him too well. You are actually giving him strength to come out of that crocodile. (must be giving bandhan) Ha! You see better? You see, here there is no such judgment you know? Like somebody is very nice, somebody's bad - that's not the point! Today, where are the vibrations just now at this moment? All that is past. At this moment if the vibrations are alright, not alright you must help him. Next moment he'll be helping you. It's the present point, at this point. Better now? Ray Harris: A bit caught up on the left. Shri Mataji: Left is. Huh? Put it in the centre.
7/7/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=12315	Is There Truth In God?	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	58	"Is there truth in God?" Caxton Hall, London (UK) 7th July 1980 All kinds of organisation has suddenly started working out god [unclear]like mushrooms in the rainy season is suddenly appear.And we really get lost to find out if there is anything truthful about his heavenly power .We even doubt if Christ was great ,we doubt ourself many times as well .There is no way of finding out whether our scriptures have any meaning or not because we have also lost something in a modern times .Our sensitivity to spirituality is being completely dumped,stunt and various kind of pseudo-efforts by intellectuals ,you can say the psychologists ,spiritualist all sudge evch people who are entering into the realm of religion and god and trying to propagate their own theories .At this juncture even today the situation is such that w get confused ,even about our own confusion .At this time it is my luck to present to you something really sensitive . So the task is tremendous. But you must find out the ways and methods to judge even the credibility of the person who talks about the god through our reasoning .You have to go with the beyond with thoughts . But even they accept something ,we use our rationality .And if ,if you are to be [unclear blindly] then there are many people who are following things ,absolutely blindly ,without thinking about it . Both things are equally the same When you start denying to think about it ,to understand it and do not use your rationality or you accept something blindly . Though went to the way of rationality or you accept something blindly. Though went to the way of rationality you really wonder about too much And because of that ,the realisation though it take place ,takes time to its maturity . The rationality can be like this to begin with you must understand that you are not yet there ,where you should be.Why are we still very confused . We are not found out our own meaning No doubt about it . You are seeking definitely ,you are seeking .Some experience ,Somebody said that i met a guru and suddenly i saw a light .That is no experience . So we see a thing clearly that ,experience that we talk off has to be related the experience as described by the great saints. It has to tell you with many things,even with psychology even with medicine . In psychology ,it’s described by the evolution has to ,being now ,into a new awareness of a new dimensions ,in which you become collectively conscious,In which there is a very fine line . Some body came to me the other day ,he said that i went somewhere and i felt that -I am the ocean ,i am the mountain ,i am the flower But i said that how can you be that ? Because you have come out of all that now ,you are human being at a highest stage .You are not going to become a flower again .Are you? You are going to become something superior ,in you awareness ,in your evolution ,We have evolved not to experience but be in our awareness. In our own awareness ,we are human beings but there are many things about which we do not know yet .But we feel that we have to find out something more, there is something else we have to find out [unclear]something [unclear] So we go on saying no to this & no to that .That is a very beautiful sanskrit couplet -Naiti ,Naiti….. Where you say this -Not this Not this This is one way of approaching .Because rationality can not take into it .So definitely we are not going to become frogs or chicken . Some people think if they become vegetarians then what? Even there are so many vegetarians .Even the people who think they are fasting have evolved. I mean there are many people who are dying of starvation . They must be all going to heaven directly is it? Some people think if they shave their heads they have evolved .Some people think if they broom their hairs they will [unclear evolve ] So we have to go on saying NO It’s not outside .It is not by doing something outside So we disqualify all the things which suggest you by wearing this kind of dress or by changing or by dance or by jump,or the way whatever you do ,dress up like this ,dress up like that .All such outward expression are denied .All right .Because by denial only you start extracting all that, that is artificial,and reality will remain.So that is out of question .You go further . Where people say that we give an experience I mean ,Now i am going to the subtler side of it . Now the experience is your ,sitting here and suddenly you will find some water pouring into your head or say something stat moving from here to there.Put your rationality into it . What business god has got to move this from here to there . I mean why he is interested . Haven’t you got your hands Or somebody say that you can fly in the air Now you are not going to become birds.Are you?Do you want to become birds .Then it is all right .That you are not going to become the bird.So that is also cut off . You go further ,little further it,People might say that you will get the fragrance all right so What we get the fragrance otherwise also .You go to the shop of fragrance you get the fragrance . Or somebody say that you will get a diamond so what you go to a shop and buy a diamond . Somebody will say that you will see a light .So what we can see the light as it is .What is there in light . But you can see [unclear ] Then somebody might say that i am preparing for something then what is the surity.Then how are you preparing All these claims are to be on one side..Then some people ,can give big lectures ,they have a capacity to capture your attention ,they are greater lecturers then we have and could be much more [unclear].So then we come to a point to ask -what should we expect [unclear] I felt very happy when i see [unclear] If you take alcohol how do you feel happy Again you go to the same state what’s the use .so we come to a point to understand that this if it is an evolution It is a living process..When we evolve our nervous system .Our awareness changes , transforms and the psychologist have said that you have to jump into the collective consciousness means our awareness should become collective consciousness . now what is collective consciousness ? Is it to know what kind of dress you are wearing .What is the interest of god in knowing what kind of dress you are wearing .Always put this question . What is the interest of the divine & then you will reach a point or to know how a person sits ,and talk and how should hold his knife and forks.or to know what kind of battle of [unclear] Or to say that you belong a particular culture or that culture or this or he is a gentlemen or not .Is that the interest the interest of god! It has to be something very much all pervading,must be common in everyone ,fix up that point .So it must be something within every one in every human being because god is not going to discriminate ..It has to be placed somewhere in the human being .Something special ,some sort of special thing must be there for its rebirth.It can’t be outside .And it must be something that is happening by itself because it is spontaneous. You have not worked it out .[unclear You have not globally has changed the monkey into men .All the medical sciences together ] Even a one monkey or chimpanzee for their convenience .So it is now ,the point before us to know that it is not possible .for us to be . If you has to become something else it has to be spontaneous ,sahaja .Just as your nose ,as your eyes,everything this has to be with in you .Now where in the body can you bear it could be placed?How are we to find out through rationality ?Let us go to the medical science Then say that sacrum bone is called as sacred by greeks first they did not know why but now they say that -It will not burn if even the whole body burns out.Because its sacred according to the greeks and it is such a secured bone may be there is something in there ..Then also a that point also you go subtle and subtle and negative people will go with you .so you said that there is a kundalini then . It is written in the shastras in all the books everywhere even in the bible it is written that -”i will appear before you like tongues of flames and you get subtler and subtler’’ . And they get subtler ,they said kundalini Alright yes we are masters of kundalini if you say we can make you fly we can also make you fly. But now if you say that it is kundalini so they say alright [unclear] Who will awaken the kundalini? How will you awaken the kundalini ?What do you know about kundalini ? Such big big books are written by some people about kundalini.I can tell you they do not know a word not a word.. They know no idea about what kundalini is .and what is depicted in books ?[unclear] Can you imagine this kind of thing will work? Now why we come to kundalini we have to know that that it is spontaneous thing ass kundalini is to be awakened by which you get the second birth is written in the scriptures .Now if you have not to believe scriptures It’s all right you did not believe than at all. But why not give it a chance . What, right ? So when you say that you want to try kundalini awakening you will find at least hundreds master of kundalini arriving on the screen ,charges are different ,styles are different ,[unclear circumstances ] are different ,whole approach different ,advertisement is great and everybody reaches there for kundalini awakening .[unclear] Greater the circus greater the crowd .Then they said your kundalini is awakened and by that you get blisters on your body ,half of them run away ,half of them said doesn’t matters we will have the blisters in our body and they get and live with that in their life .This is not evolution .By evolving you god is not going to give you blisters .He has some self there.For blisters you can’t go for kundalini awakening .Even you can get them by rubbing some DDT or something Whatever has to come ,has to be better .It has to better you ,improve you .Evolution means paying higher and higher not low.This point you must go on saying ,I am [unclear ….] Now with this idea of kundalini many other things which are hanging around like some people may think the more you pay, the richer you are ,the grater you are for kundalini awakening [unclear………..] Especially developing countries .Those who have got money now who are affluent are taken up by another nonsense ,and they think that if kundalini has to be awakened they have to indulge into free sex..so christ answered ,everybody understand because they indulge into free sex and they were absolutely against it .so now the new type of kundalini awakening is going to come by which you are going to become slaves of your greed ,and slave of your all these things .If evolution is meant for freedom you are not going to be enslaved .The power has to come with in you by which you start above all these things and you are the master of everything then only it is evolution .That’s how we move further on We can say this also that you become the master ,you are the master of all the emotions and thoughts & everything .You are above it . These things happen and people fall into all this one by one into some trap or something like that . Its is your awareness which is to be enlightened .It is easy for people who have read about kundalini ,in the books ,of people who have been realised souls But it is very unfortunate ,that such books are very few ,out of which nobody bothers.The only fake ones are selling in the market .It is very unfortunate or so . So here the kundalini rises I say kundalini can rise .It is awaken and it can be awakened by you people .All of you can not raise the kundalini But you have to be realised soul It is like what is before the egg of a hen somebody has t start it some body has to do it .say if i have to do it what can i do about it ….that’s not a crime.If somebody has chosen me to do this why you must be angry with me for that .Immediately as soon as you come to know somebody is doing it ego stands up like a big snake and comes up say why she ? why not me ? Then again use your rationality .I am doing s many things at different level .She is not doing all these things . She is doing only this ,that is her job so why should i mind .what is there to be offended she is not going to harm you .If it is going to do good why not somebody has to do . I mean if you do well and good .I have said so many times please come ….. I will be very happy to sit down there and watch. But you just can’t do it unless and until you are realised souls .It’s the fact . You have to accept .You see it would be like child to say that why should you nurse me I will nurse you! alright can you ? It is something like that ...It’s stupid .. Not to feel bad about it in any way .This is one of the deep problem i face . That people immediately start feeling very bad ,sad and angry sitting[unclear hushing ] .I am your mother .Am i not? I have no right to [unclear] I am there to look after you what is there to get angry with me .I have t work hard .you don’t have to .But remove your temper …..one point is ..you can’t pay for your evolution how could you pay to become man from chimpanzee .Please see your account books .You don’t pay for these things how much you have paid for the light you get , for the sun rays ,for the air you get ,for the mother, what have you paid .Its simple thing we can’t pay for the love of god .It is in his love who is doing all these things . Only if we are little [unclear being ] to this ………….Some times we have our problems but to receive it we have to be ready at least then comes the theory behind and i say that supposing i have done the cooking why don’t you have it first . Supposing you come in the room and ask a simple question - mother how to put the lights on and i said press the button It is sensible … Instead of that I give you the whole history of electricity who discovered it ,and how this [unclear ] If i know the job i can put on the light and then you see for yourself whether it’s safe or not ! You are all these things before you and you have seen the place of kundalini There is a book available which you can read and go through all the theories you want .There is a big one ..If you want you can pack one also . But just now i will say that just have the light .alright ! Question :[unclear] Ans: The problem is after getting realisation your old habits ,try to pull you down you see.As I would say that ,we are going by traffic alright & we are worried about a traffic is.we are tensed . we are seeing this suddenly we find that there is very nice road ,no traffic problem .But it takes us time to relax,still we are thinking of the same traffic.Its in the same way .We are have these habits of thinking about everything ,analysing everything .The more you have done it the worse it is . You will find many people here but You give that a flower .Instead taking that fragrance of the flower they will be immediately find out whether you have brought it [unclear ChenseheveShower ]or you must have paid ……. They will not even look at the flower .They will think which shop they have buyed ,better go that shop ,there is sale there .Why dont you gave ……….Instead of seeing that, this flower is given with so much joy to you they will immediately give some yoou some sort of information about their big analysis .Its all the habit .Anything you like …………. Why she did it ? when she did it? All this is …………..Mind is like that. Now to stop this mind is also the job of kundalini . She stops .But for a short time . Now we have many techniques . Yoga also means techniques . In sahaja yoga by which you can change the habits of your mind After sometime you will see that even if you are silent there is bombardment from both the sides .Ideas coming in ..But if you learn to misidentify ,or not to identify with them you get rid of them also .Gradually stops. In no country it has worked out with many Once it works out ,there are many people .This cristine is sitting in front of me 3 years she was like that ,now she is changed completely see that if this habit goes .Is gross .It is a living process like a tree Its grows in silence but it must be started isn’t it ? The seed must sprout to begin with .In some people it goes just like that in some it does because more intelligent you are the more headache ,the more you are ready the worse it is because you start analysing your vertebra . How can you analyse? Now please analyse These things we take for granted .If we could see that realisation takes place and the kundalini rises & reaches here and you become absolutely silent and the cool breeze starts flowing from you .It has happened to you.This you should remember and you felt peaceful. Then again you have so many problems with you ,You and your kundalini supplies again It is the first thrash of the kundalini which takes you away into that .But how the [unclear world] is made The first point has started .Its going to work out But there are certain techniques which you have to follow ,after sahaja yoga after realisation .If you can ,establish yourself it can be and it is a miracle Because commonly people has to go to the jungles ,forests ,fight it all do all kinds of things and after years and years of complete seclusion the guru use to accept them and then he would initiate and still they use to use it. There are so many cases like that of this kind.Yu are far from this example - The are who has written Gita .If you read his parashar who was a realised soul and who was going to himalaya he felt for a women and thats how this vyasa was born and then he repented and went away to the himalayas .So it has happened in many cases that where mis identification come up .But you dont have to go to the jungles ,you don’t have to leave you families ,you have to stay here and work it out Its the miracle of the miracles .Those who have go to the banks can go to the banks ,you dont have to run away accept for this graveyard you cannot go to the graveyard .I have seen people working in the graveyard and all kinds of thing like that .We have one here john,who went from graveyard he use to shake ,but then he got rid of that .Then the friend of his ,has came to see him about 4 [unclear ] Somethings like that has to be avoided .So there is a certain amount of understanding is needed how to grow the streak of awareness because even it has happened it goes down because of our problems ,because of the problems of atmosphere. I mean if you are not problematic ,kundalini will never goes down It simple thing to understand But there are problems .There are some people whose kundalini is permanent -2 never comes down .I know many like that. But there are problems say in the liver ,in your case its the liver so kundalini goes to the liver ,she is looking and acted Doesn’t matter she will care the liver and again she will be back very soon alright . There is a problem with your liver Everybody has individual problems .But for that you should not be afraid It doesn’t matter even if it is a fifth [unclear]So you did not worry about that it is alright .But don’t feel guilty that’s the biggest problem because as soon as i say that this chakra is catching immediately people start feeling guilty oh god this chakra is catching now what i have done .I must have done something .You have done nothing wrong.[unclear] Clear it. By feeling guilty you also make things very difficult .That’s also little problem with people We must understand especially with the western mind. They are very good at feeling guilty .I don’t know for what are they feeling guilty .They are such beautiful people .Those who have to feel guilty are arrogant those who do not have to feel guilty are [unclear ] It is a funny world Alright any other questions ? Question : It’s so answered that i can’t tell you .It very --------------------from thousands and thousands Alright Then you will know me better alight Just now for the time being, think that i am really antique What other questions are there. Atleast when i do not want to answer the question i play tricks don’t mind because you will know why it’s alright Later on you will know I never got it from anyone It’s my own alright . [unclear] Never want ego to come up ….that’ s why i do not want to say .Its better to say that i learnt it from you . Everybody seems to be happy? Should we have now our realisation .Alright Just put your hands like this towards me . Now the first thing that happen that your thoughts stop as soon as your kundalini crosses through the point , the Agnya.can somebody show . No no i show you here . because the thoughts come to you from ego and superego .It travels between the two . And you don’t see any thoughts like between the two waves coming . This silence . And when the kundalini crosses this point of fontanel bone it you called as tallu where you get the baptism then you feel that throbbing here .And you get the cool breeze coming out from your hand . this is called realisation.That cool breeze is coming from your spirit .First time you start feeling the spirit on your hands in your centre nervous system and you actually feel it . When this breeze comes in ,then even you start feeling others ,you can feel their chakras ,you can feel your chakras and you can know where the problem is ? Once it is stationed here as i said it takes time in some people and some people it works all the time ,then you achieve that state of bliss and joy .In which you become a share instrument ,a hollow personality through which he divine power flows and you just see its manifestation. Please close your eyes Long pause Just tell yourself let it go ...let it go … Don’t think about it Let it go ….That is why you are here . Are you getting cool breeze in your hands . Good ,Joe just see this gentlemen . Are you getting cool breeze Are you getting cool breeze Are you getting , good. [unclear]	null	null	null	"Is there truth in God?" Caxton Hall, London (UK) 7th July 1980 All kinds of organisation has suddenly started working out god [unclear]like mushrooms in the rainy season is suddenly appear.And we really get lost to find out if there is anything truthful about his heavenly power .We even doubt if Christ was great ,we doubt ourself many times as well .There is no way of finding out whether our scriptures have any meaning or not because we have also lost something in a modern times .Our sensitivity to spirituality is being completely dumped,stunt and various kind of pseudo-efforts by intellectuals ,you can say the psychologists ,spiritualist all sudge evch people who are entering into the realm of religion and god and trying to propagate their own theories .At this juncture even today the situation is such that w get confused ,even about our own confusion .At this time it is my luck to present to you something really sensitive . So the task is tremendous. But you must find out the ways and methods to judge even the credibility of the person who talks about the god through our reasoning .You have to go with the beyond with thoughts . But even they accept something ,we use our rationality .And if ,if you are to be [unclear blindly] then there are many people who are following things ,absolutely blindly ,without thinking about it . Both things are equally the same When you start denying to think about it ,to understand it and do not use your rationality or you accept something blindly . Though went to the way of rationality or you accept something blindly. Though went to the way of rationality you really wonder about too much And because of that ,the realisation though it take place ,takes time to its maturity . The rationality can be like this to begin with you must understand that you are not yet there ,where you should be.Why are we still very confused . We are not found out our own meaning No doubt about it . You are seeking definitely ,you are seeking .Some experience ,Somebody said that i met a guru and suddenly i saw a light .That is no experience . So we see a thing clearly that ,experience that we talk off has to be related the experience as described by the great saints. It has to tell you with many things,even with psychology even with medicine . In psychology ,it’s described by the evolution has to ,being now ,into a new awareness of a new dimensions ,in which you become collectively conscious,In which there is a very fine line . Some body came to me the other day ,he said that i went somewhere and i felt that -I am the ocean ,i am the mountain ,i am the flower But i said that how can you be that ? Because you have come out of all that now ,you are human being at a highest stage .You are not going to become a flower again .Are you? You are going to become something superior ,in you awareness ,in your evolution ,We have evolved not to experience but be in our awareness. In our own awareness ,we are human beings but there are many things about which we do not know yet .But we feel that we have to find out something more, there is something else we have to find out [unclear]something [unclear] So we go on saying no to this & no to that .That is a very beautiful sanskrit couplet -Naiti ,Naiti….. Where you say this -Not this Not this This is one way of approaching .Because rationality can not take into it .So definitely we are not going to become frogs or chicken . Some people think if they become vegetarians then what? Even there are so many vegetarians .Even the people who think they are fasting have evolved. I mean there are many people who are dying of starvation . They must be all going to heaven directly is it? Some people think if they shave their heads they have evolved .Some people think if they broom their hairs they will [unclear evolve ] So we have to go on saying NO It’s not outside .It is not by doing something outside So we disqualify all the things which suggest you by wearing this kind of dress or by changing or by dance or by jump,or the way whatever you do ,dress up like this ,dress up like that .All such outward expression are denied .All right .Because by denial only you start extracting all that, that is artificial,and reality will remain.So that is out of question .You go further . Where people say that we give an experience I mean ,Now i am going to the subtler side of it . Now the experience is your ,sitting here and suddenly you will find some water pouring into your head or say something stat moving from here to there.Put your rationality into it . What business god has got to move this from here to there . I mean why he is interested . Haven’t you got your hands Or somebody say that you can fly in the air Now you are not going to become birds.Are you?Do you want to become birds .Then it is all right .That you are not going to become the bird.So that is also cut off . You go further ,little further it,People might say that you will get the fragrance all right so What we get the fragrance otherwise also .You go to the shop of fragrance you get the fragrance . Or somebody say that you will get a diamond so what you go to a shop and buy a diamond . Somebody will say that you will see a light .So what we can see the light as it is .What is there in light . But you can see [unclear ] Then somebody might say that i am preparing for something then what is the surity.Then how are you preparing All these claims are to be on one side..Then some people ,can give big lectures ,they have a capacity to capture your attention ,they are greater lecturers then we have and could be much more [unclear].So then we come to a point to ask -what should we expect [unclear] I felt very happy when i see [unclear] If you take alcohol how do you feel happy Again you go to the same state what’s the use .so we come to a point to understand that this if it is an evolution It is a living process..When we evolve our nervous system .Our awareness changes , transforms and the psychologist have said that you have to jump into the collective consciousness means our awareness should become collective consciousness . now what is collective consciousness ? Is it to know what kind of dress you are wearing .What is the interest of god in knowing what kind of dress you are wearing .Always put this question . What is the interest of the divine & then you will reach a point or to know how a person sits ,and talk and how should hold his knife and forks.or to know what kind of battle of [unclear] Or to say that you belong a particular culture or that culture or this or he is a gentlemen or not .Is that the interest the interest of god! It has to be something very much all pervading,must be common in everyone ,fix up that point .So it must be something within every one in every human being because god is not going to discriminate ..It has to be placed somewhere in the human being .Something special ,some sort of special thing must be there for its rebirth.It can’t be outside .And it must be something that is happening by itself because it is spontaneous. You have not worked it out .[unclear You have not globally has changed the monkey into men .All the medical sciences together ] Even a one monkey or chimpanzee for their convenience .So it is now ,the point before us to know that it is not possible .for us to be . If you has to become something else it has to be spontaneous ,sahaja .Just as your nose ,as your eyes,everything this has to be with in you .Now where in the body can you bear it could be placed?How are we to find out through rationality ?Let us go to the medical science Then say that sacrum bone is called as sacred by greeks first they did not know why but now they say that -It will not burn if even the whole body burns out.Because its sacred according to the greeks and it is such a secured bone may be there is something in there ..Then also a that point also you go subtle and subtle and negative people will go with you .so you said that there is a kundalini then . It is written in the shastras in all the books everywhere even in the bible it is written that -”i will appear before you like tongues of flames and you get subtler and subtler’’ . And they get subtler ,they said kundalini Alright yes we are masters of kundalini if you say we can make you fly we can also make you fly. But now if you say that it is kundalini so they say alright [unclear] Who will awaken the kundalini? How will you awaken the kundalini ?What do you know about kundalini ? Such big big books are written by some people about kundalini.I can tell you they do not know a word not a word.. They know no idea about what kundalini is .and what is depicted in books ?[unclear] Can you imagine this kind of thing will work? Now why we come to kundalini we have to know that that it is spontaneous thing ass kundalini is to be awakened by which you get the second birth is written in the scriptures .Now if you have not to believe scriptures It’s all right you did not believe than at all. But why not give it a chance . What, right ? So when you say that you want to try kundalini awakening you will find at least hundreds master of kundalini arriving on the screen ,charges are different ,styles are different ,[unclear circumstances ] are different ,whole approach different ,advertisement is great and everybody reaches there for kundalini awakening .[unclear] Greater the circus greater the crowd .Then they said your kundalini is awakened and by that you get blisters on your body ,half of them run away ,half of them said doesn’t matters we will have the blisters in our body and they get and live with that in their life .This is not evolution .By evolving you god is not going to give you blisters .He has some self there.For blisters you can’t go for kundalini awakening .Even you can get them by rubbing some DDT or something Whatever has to come ,has to be better .It has to better you ,improve you .Evolution means paying higher and higher not low.This point you must go on saying ,I am [unclear ….] Now with this idea of kundalini many other things which are hanging around like some people may think the more you pay, the richer you are ,the grater you are for kundalini awakening [unclear………..] Especially developing countries .Those who have got money now who are affluent are taken up by another nonsense ,and they think that if kundalini has to be awakened they have to indulge into free sex..so christ answered ,everybody understand because they indulge into free sex and they were absolutely against it .so now the new type of kundalini awakening is going to come by which you are going to become slaves of your greed ,and slave of your all these things .If evolution is meant for freedom you are not going to be enslaved .The power has to come with in you by which you start above all these things and you are the master of everything then only it is evolution .That’s how we move further on We can say this also that you become the master ,you are the master of all the emotions and thoughts & everything .You are above it . These things happen and people fall into all this one by one into some trap or something like that . Its is your awareness which is to be enlightened .It is easy for people who have read about kundalini ,in the books ,of people who have been realised souls But it is very unfortunate ,that such books are very few ,out of which nobody bothers.The only fake ones are selling in the market .It is very unfortunate or so . So here the kundalini rises I say kundalini can rise .It is awaken and it can be awakened by you people .All of you can not raise the kundalini But you have to be realised soul It is like what is before the egg of a hen somebody has t start it some body has to do it .say if i have to do it what can i do about it ….that’s not a crime.If somebody has chosen me to do this why you must be angry with me for that .Immediately as soon as you come to know somebody is doing it ego stands up like a big snake and comes up say why she ? why not me ? Then again use your rationality .I am doing s many things at different level .She is not doing all these things . She is doing only this ,that is her job so why should i mind .what is there to be offended she is not going to harm you .If it is going to do good why not somebody has to do . I mean if you do well and good .I have said so many times please come ….. I will be very happy to sit down there and watch. But you just can’t do it unless and until you are realised souls .It’s the fact . You have to accept .You see it would be like child to say that why should you nurse me I will nurse you! alright can you ? It is something like that ...It’s stupid .. Not to feel bad about it in any way .This is one of the deep problem i face . That people immediately start feeling very bad ,sad and angry sitting[unclear hushing ] .I am your mother .Am i not? I have no right to [unclear] I am there to look after you what is there to get angry with me .I have t work hard .you don’t have to .But remove your temper …..one point is ..you can’t pay for your evolution how could you pay to become man from chimpanzee .Please see your account books .You don’t pay for these things how much you have paid for the light you get , for the sun rays ,for the air you get ,for the mother, what have you paid .Its simple thing we can’t pay for the love of god .It is in his love who is doing all these things . Only if we are little [unclear being ] to this ………….Some times we have our problems but to receive it we have to be ready at least then comes the theory behind and i say that supposing i have done the cooking why don’t you have it first . Supposing you come in the room and ask a simple question - mother how to put the lights on and i said press the button It is sensible … Instead of that I give you the whole history of electricity who discovered it ,and how this [unclear ] If i know the job i can put on the light and then you see for yourself whether it’s safe or not ! You are all these things before you and you have seen the place of kundalini There is a book available which you can read and go through all the theories you want .There is a big one ..If you want you can pack one also . But just now i will say that just have the light .alright ! Question :[unclear] Ans: The problem is after getting realisation your old habits ,try to pull you down you see.As I would say that ,we are going by traffic alright & we are worried about a traffic is.we are tensed . we are seeing this suddenly we find that there is very nice road ,no traffic problem .But it takes us time to relax,still we are thinking of the same traffic.Its in the same way .We are have these habits of thinking about everything ,analysing everything .The more you have done it the worse it is . You will find many people here but You give that a flower .Instead taking that fragrance of the flower they will be immediately find out whether you have brought it [unclear ChenseheveShower ]or you must have paid ……. They will not even look at the flower .They will think which shop they have buyed ,better go that shop ,there is sale there .Why dont you gave ……….Instead of seeing that, this flower is given with so much joy to you they will immediately give some yoou some sort of information about their big analysis .Its all the habit .Anything you like …………. Why she did it ? when she did it? All this is …………..Mind is like that. Now to stop this mind is also the job of kundalini . She stops .But for a short time . Now we have many techniques . Yoga also means techniques . In sahaja yoga by which you can change the habits of your mind After sometime you will see that even if you are silent there is bombardment from both the sides .Ideas coming in ..But if you learn to misidentify ,or not to identify with them you get rid of them also .Gradually stops. In no country it has worked out with many Once it works out ,there are many people .This cristine is sitting in front of me 3 years she was like that ,now she is changed completely see that if this habit goes .Is gross .It is a living process like a tree Its grows in silence but it must be started isn’t it ? The seed must sprout to begin with .In some people it goes just like that in some it does because more intelligent you are the more headache ,the more you are ready the worse it is because you start analysing your vertebra . How can you analyse? Now please analyse These things we take for granted .If we could see that realisation takes place and the kundalini rises & reaches here and you become absolutely silent and the cool breeze starts flowing from you .It has happened to you.This you should remember and you felt peaceful. Then again you have so many problems with you ,You and your kundalini supplies again It is the first thrash of the kundalini which takes you away into that .But how the [unclear world] is made The first point has started .Its going to work out But there are certain techniques which you have to follow ,after sahaja yoga after realisation .If you can ,establish yourself it can be and it is a miracle Because commonly people has to go to the jungles ,forests ,fight it all do all kinds of things and after years and years of complete seclusion the guru use to accept them and then he would initiate and still they use to use it. There are so many cases like that of this kind.Yu are far from this example - The are who has written Gita .If you read his parashar who was a realised soul and who was going to himalaya he felt for a women and thats how this vyasa was born and then he repented and went away to the himalayas .So it has happened in many cases that where mis identification come up .But you dont have to go to the jungles ,you don’t have to leave you families ,you have to stay here and work it out Its the miracle of the miracles .Those who have go to the banks can go to the banks ,you dont have to run away accept for this graveyard you cannot go to the graveyard .I have seen people working in the graveyard and all kinds of thing like that .We have one here john,who went from graveyard he use to shake ,but then he got rid of that .Then the friend of his ,has came to see him about 4 [unclear ] Somethings like that has to be avoided .So there is a certain amount of understanding is needed how to grow the streak of awareness because even it has happened it goes down because of our problems ,because of the problems of atmosphere. I mean if you are not problematic ,kundalini will never goes down It simple thing to understand But there are problems .There are some people whose kundalini is permanent -2 never comes down .I know many like that. But there are problems say in the liver ,in your case its the liver so kundalini goes to the liver ,she is looking and acted Doesn’t matter she will care the liver and again she will be back very soon alright . There is a problem with your liver Everybody has individual problems .But for that you should not be afraid It doesn’t matter even if it is a fifth [unclear]So you did not worry about that it is alright .But don’t feel guilty that’s the biggest problem because as soon as i say that this chakra is catching immediately people start feeling guilty oh god this chakra is catching now what i have done .I must have done something .You have done nothing wrong.[unclear] Clear it. By feeling guilty you also make things very difficult .That’s also little problem with people We must understand especially with the western mind. They are very good at feeling guilty .I don’t know for what are they feeling guilty .They are such beautiful people .Those who have to feel guilty are arrogant those who do not have to feel guilty are [unclear ] It is a funny world Alright any other questions ? Question : It’s so answered that i can’t tell you .It very --------------------from thousands and thousands Alright Then you will know me better alight Just now for the time being, think that i am really antique What other questions are there. Atleast when i do not want to answer the question i play tricks don’t mind because you will know why it’s alright Later on you will know I never got it from anyone It’s my own alright . [unclear] Never want ego to come up ….that’ s why i do not want to say .Its better to say that i learnt it from you . Everybody seems to be happy? Should we have now our realisation .Alright Just put your hands like this towards me . Now the first thing that happen that your thoughts stop as soon as your kundalini crosses through the point , the Agnya.can somebody show . No no i show you here . because the thoughts come to you from ego and superego .It travels between the two . And you don’t see any thoughts like between the two waves coming . This silence . And when the kundalini crosses this point of fontanel bone it you called as tallu where you get the baptism then you feel that throbbing here .And you get the cool breeze coming out from your hand . this is called realisation.That cool breeze is coming from your spirit .First time you start feeling the spirit on your hands in your centre nervous system and you actually feel it . When this breeze comes in ,then even you start feeling others ,you can feel their chakras ,you can feel your chakras and you can know where the problem is ? Once it is stationed here as i said it takes time in some people and some people it works all the time ,then you achieve that state of bliss and joy .In which you become a share instrument ,a hollow personality through which he divine power flows and you just see its manifestation. Please close your eyes Long pause Just tell yourself let it go ...let it go … Don’t think about it Let it go ….That is why you are here . Are you getting cool breeze in your hands . Good ,Joe just see this gentlemen . Are you getting cool breeze Are you getting cool breeze Are you getting , good. [unclear]
7/8/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6614	New Types of Problems in Our Time	England	Oxford	Reviewed	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	46	Public Program. Oxford (UK), 8 July 1980. I must apologise for being late today because we were under a wrong impression. We are today facing a new type of problem within our lives, which in the olden times people did not face. Most of them did not think of it; very few thought of it. They were contented people with their ignorance and they did not bother to find out what is beyond us. Perhaps that time we were trying to develop ourselves materially. We were trying to build our tubes and our trains and our hospitals but when that is all over, a new seeking starts in the being, the nature of which is an urge. But what we are seeking we do not know. It’s the first time such an urge starts. Before this we had an urge, say, to eat our food; we knew we were hungry, we have to eat. Or we wanted some shelters, we wanted to build our houses; we wanted comfortable life; we wanted to build our great civilisations, you can say, of affluent countries. But all those wants, very well known to us (so) we could plan about them think about them, were all right till we reached a certain stage of evolution. Suddenly we got exposed to a new urge within us which wanted to know something of the beyond, which was really of the beyond. Because whatever is of the beyond is not conceivable from this end. It cannot be understood, one cannot plan about it, one cannot think about it. But you feel that dirth or, you can say, that kind of a gap within yourself which forces you to seek something. And great seekers were born in the west or in the east. Today I am facing you, I am with you, so for all practical purposes I am a Britisher and a western person because we have to face the problem as we are. This urge within us comes from something we have known before and that is the urge which is given to us from our evolutionary process. We know about our evolution, that we have become human beings from chimpanzee as they say, or maybe from amoeba we have risen to this state; that we have come up to this state; that we feel that we are human beings today. And at this stage after the evolution, when we have finished with the so-called urges of our material wants and our mental wants, we can say in Oxford University… Naturally we wanted to read and know things and science and development and also many of our physical wants being completed, or sort of, we being satisfied about them. Now at this stage of evolution, we are thinking of something else, a gap, there is a void. We feel the void within our lives. The nature of that is vaguely described, that we are seeking our wholesomeness. Some people say that we are seeking our absolute. Some are saying we are seeking our meaning. Some say, “What is the point of living like this?” Now I have had people of different types and different styles and the expression that they give is of this kind of vague attitude towards their seeking. But there is a kind of a seeking which is making them so depressed and so frustrated that they are willing to do anything to get to it. They have done all kinds of experimentation. For example, drugs – most of them have done it out of seeking only. I do not blame them, because it was just seeking. They have gone to gurus, they have gone to other funny places, they have read a lot, all kinds of books whatever is to be read or not read, they have read all kinds of books, sorted it out and found it was useless so thrown away. All this has happened and then we start thinking. Is there any sense in this kind of seeking? Before you when I am sitting and I am telling you about something of the beyond, you have to take a very scientific attitude, scientific in the sense that you have to keep your mind very open. And that it is a hypothesis I am putting before you, which if proved you should give it a full chance to be proved and then accept it. Because here I am speaking about the statutes of divine laws, not of scientific laws, of divine laws, of divinity, of divinity within us, the Spirit within us. And whether it is there or not it is for you to experience, and by any brain washing it is not going to be experienced. Neither by giving false certificates it can work out nor if I tell you, you change your dresses, shave your heads, or stands on your heads. All these outside things are not going to work it out because you must know that you have become a human being without doing anything about it. But we have taken ourselves so much for granted that we don’t bother to even know how it must have happened, what must be the force that must have worked it out that today we are human beings. There must be something, some sort of a force within us, which must have brought forth this evolution within us. So we have before us a chart. Now this again is a hypothesis; you need not accept me at all but you need not deny me because you are here to receive something. I am here just to give you something which you can yourself see and receive it. There is no compulsion of any kind and there is no conviction of any kind. It is something that is of a living nature – evolution, your evolution. The evolution has to take place still within us to know ourselves. We can say that unless and until it is put to the mains, it has no meaning. Unless and until we are connected with the whole, we have no meaning. And if there is something within us which really connects us to that, is there any sense that is written in the scriptures? Like Christ has said that you are to be born again. Is there any such happening that takes place among human beings? Because it is said that a brahmin is a person who is twice born. A brahmin is called a twice born and a bird is also called a twice born. Now a bird is born first as an egg and then as a bird, but how a human being is twice born, that we’ll have to see ourselves. If it is so, if it exists, let us face it. The trouble is we must learn to face it. It is such a tremendous reality and we with our knowledge whatever we have, with our rationality, cannot see it. You have to go beyond this rationality that is so limited. Like if I have come by car, I have to leave my car outside to enter inside this hall. It is something based, I would say, on the space craft style. For example in a space craft you have many cylinders put one into another and the lowest cylinder, we can say, is the cylinder which is just the matter, or the physical being, and then inside are placed other cylinders like the mental being, and the emotional being and the spiritual being. When the cylinder moves, or you should say the space craft moves, the lowest one blasts the rest of it by which it gives it a speed which is in a multiple proportions from which it has started. Then the second one explodes, then the third one explodes. In the same way today, at this stage, you have to be exploded into that last space where you have to reach. It is something on those lines the whole evolution works out. Now within us, as you can see here… I am saying that you keep your mind open, not to accept anything that I say but to see for yourself if it works out. If it does not work out, that is not my fault by any chance because it has worked out with many, many, many English people and with many, many Swiss and French people also. But it has worked out much more in India because Indian villagers are very simple people, they are not so complicated. They did not have the ramblings of the rationality. They have not gone into too much of thinking and planning and that’s why I find that Indian villagers are very well suited for Sahaja Yoga, because they are very simple people and they get their realisation in thousands. It’s changing the complete face of our Indian villages because people are transforming very fast with it. Now within us is placed that connection in the triangular bone, which is called as the Kundalini. She is coiled in three and a half coils, for it’s a mathematical relationship which I’ll tell you later on, and She sleeps there as they call it because there are no words to say about your awareness, what it does, but you may say it sleeps. And when awakened by some authorised person, She ascends through those six centres which are shown here. Can you show, someone? And, six centres; the seventh is out of question. Six centres. In Sanskrit it is called as shatchakrabhed. {Shri Mataji speaks aside to someone] Start from Swadishthana, first then second, then third, then fourth, and fifth and sixth. Now these subtle centres reside within our spinal chord and in our brain. Now when you see these three powers, the first power which is in blue colour is the power of our desire, of our existence. It is expressed outside in the gross as left sympathetic nervous system. The right hand side power which comes to you is called as the power of action, kriya shakti and is expressing itself outside as the right sympathetic nervous system. The central channel is called in Sanskrit language as Sushumna Nadi but it is very partly developed into human beings and is known as parasympathetic nervous system. Our growth within has been up to a point that we are human beings and our awareness has been up to the same point as we are human beings. Whatever we feel on our central nervous system is the achievement of our evolution and whatever we have not yet felt has to be achieved. Now what do we have to achieve by this ascendance or by this Kundalini awakening? What are we expecting? Why Kundalini awakening has been kept there as the last thing that should happen in our evolution? As I said, that is like the chord which connects you to the mains, to the subtle, to the whole, to the universal unconscious. This Kundalini is the residual force which is waiting for a moment when some authority on the subject, not in the theological college but from the Divine, a person who is a realised soul and who has knowledge how to raise the Kundalini, can only raise it. It’s a spontaneous process. It is effortless, like a seed. If you have to sprout it, you cannot pull it out, the primule out of it and sprout it; It has to work out spontaneously. In the same way this Kundalini, when it finds the atmosphere congenial for its awakening, it rises. It passes through these centers and these centers are the landmarks of our evolution. Now when you see that green centre, which is called as the Nabhi Chakra, which in the gross expresses your solar plexus, is responsible for your evolution. This centre has created you out of a carbon atom into amoeba and then to human being. This centre is again very, very important. When this centre becomes extremely powerful, then you get the higher urges of receiving higher heights in your awareness. Now what do we have to become? You have to become the whole. You must have read Jung, and you must have read all these people, who has talked about the universal unconscious, that there is universal unconscious, that there is an all-pervading consciousness, which exists in every person, which is subtler than our consciousness. If we can touch somehow or other that consciousness, we can become aware of that universal unconscious. Jung has said that he has experimented with dreams of thousands of people and he was amazed that in the dream the same universal unconscious throws symbols which are very significant and absolutely universal in nature. For example, a person is to be murdered, then he sees a particular type of a triangle in a particular angle. And if such an angle appears then one must know that there is some indication coming to him that he is going to be murdered. But if he is going to murder someone, the same triangle appears in the opposite direction. He has verified it with thousands and thousands of cases and has said there is universal unconscious working. Now we have scriptures on the other side which says that you are to be born again; you are to be baptised. Of course people think that by going to church you can be baptised. You can understand that is not possible. But you can be baptised through somebody who is a realised soul. And that, also, we have so many other proofs of saying that one has to be beyond. Like medical sciences if you take – in the medical sciences they say that we can manage the sympathetic nervous system, but the parasympathetic nervous system we cannot control, it is autonomous. What is auto? Who is auto? Who is controlling your heart? Supposing you want to run fast, you can increase the rate of your heart. But who can decrease the rate of your heart? Who does that? And they say it is autonomous. It is like saying something unknown and give it a name, finished. Autonomous nervous system; by saying auto they at least accept that there is someone who is controlling the heart, of which we are not aware. Now there is something more than that. For example a foetus is contained in the uterus. Now it is said that any foreign matter that enters into the human body has to be expelled. But it is retained. Not retained but it is nurtured. Not nurtured, it is expelled at the time when it is ready to go out. Who does that? Christ has said, “Those who are not against Me are with Me.” Who are they? There are many things like that, many, many things like that which human beings have not been able to answer. Now before you I say that there is the all-pervading Divine power. It exists. It is the most dynamic power which acts in every particle of this universe. When you see a sulfur dioxide vibrating, you must know that it is done through this power. Nothing moves without that power. It has got a special power by which it can communicate, it can control, it can love. And this power you can achieve through your Kundalini awakening. There is no other way out. Sprouting of the seed has to be done through the sprouter and there is no other way out. And this has to work out within you. I mean, on this subject one can go on speaking for hours together. I must have spoken, I don’t know, two hundred times at least in U.K. And so far they say that “Still, Mother, you have to speak about this subject and that subject”. So the knowledge is vast but by getting realization you become one with your Spirit, one with yourself, and the Spirit is the knowledge, is the joy and is the bliss. You have to achieve that state of self-realization. By self-realisation, what happens to you? First of all when Kundalini rises and crosses over this centre here, what happens? You become thoughtless but you are aware, absolutely aware. Between the two thoughts there is a gap, and when you pass through that gap then your attention becomes silent. There is no thought coming to you from the ego and the super-ego. The yellow stuff is the ego and the left side, blue stuff is the super-ego. No thought comes from your attention, from your past or from the future. You just become silent, but it does not happen to everyone. It doesn’t happen to people who are superficial, those who are just seeking because of fashion. It doesn’t happen to people who think no end of themselves, who are full of ego, whose ego like a balloon covering their head and their heart. It doesn’t happen to people who are full of super-ego, who are possessed. It doesn’t happen to many people who are sick, who have got problems of the body, problems of the mind. But they can be corrected, they can be cured and it can happen. As a result of this, diseases like cancer also get cured. We have cured cancer in your country. We have cured cancer in India. Cancer can only be cured through Kundalini awakening. If you do not get your kundalini awakened today you are making cancer every day within you. Every minute the cancer is established. And once the Kundalini is awakened, the exhaustion of your energy, the over-use of your sympathetic nervous system is brought to balance and all the time there is the flow of the vital energy within you. And you feel absolutely blissful, joyful and that energy then starts flowing through your hands when the Kundalini pierces through your fontanel bone area called as Taloo, Sahasrara. It is called as the Brahmarandhra, means the hole to the brahma. Brahma is the all-pervading power. When it pierces that, then only you will find the cool breeze flowing from your hand, which is described by Adi Shankaracharya as Chaitanya Lahari. It is described by… in the Bible it is described as the breeze of the Holy Ghost. You start feeling your own spirit manifesting that cool breeze from you. And when this starts flowing, you start feeling them differently on different fingers. Now they have shown there how on these fingers you have different colours, the same colours which are in the centres. We have now here five fingers, six and seven. These are the seven centres within us and all these centres get enlightened. Then you start feeling yourself on these centres and you start feeling others on these centres at the very outset. You start feeling which is the problem. Now supposing I put my hand on someone and I get a sort of a pain or sometimes a little burning on this finger. This finger relates to the left side that is the heart and such a person must be having a problem with the heart in some way. But if this finger is combined with this finger, then such a person is full of ego. And if such a person is full of ego, his heart is gone into the balloon of the ego. But because of realisation, you start seeing it within you. Then you don’t feel bad. You yourself say, “Mother, my ego, please put it down, it is colossal.” You yourself start seeing your problems because you have got out of your outside self. You start seeing it so clearly. You start knowing them, cleansing them. Once you have established your self-realisation you become a person who is called as nirvikalpa, means doubtless, become that and from your hand you can raise the Kundalini of people. It is so fantastic but unbelievable, people cannot believe it. It is too fantastic, but the fantastic times have come. For example if you take a television to a place where people have never seen a television and you tell them that there are lots of pictures around and you can see them, they will be quite surprised. How can that be? But as soon as a television is put to the mains, you can see those fantastic pictures. And this is what happens. It is exactly what happens to you because you are the instrument made for this specially. You are the one who has to become that instrument. Your fulfilment is in becoming that, in knowing that. It is not a thing which can be just told or could be read about. It is an experience. It has to happen. If it does not happen, it does not happen. You cannot force anybody. You cannot say it has happened. It is not possible. For this experience God has created you and all of you have to get this experience. Otherwise, you will be left behind in evolution and you can never be happy. There are many who do not bother about it. They do not even have any seeking in this world. There are so many who have no seeking, very superficial people, but they all have to come. But there are also very ardent, real seekers. I have found them, so many of them are real. And once we establish them, I am sure many others would join. It is a slow process because it is a living process. You can create, as many as you want, plastic flowers but to create one flower, you have to wait. But once the blossom time comes, many can get realisation and it is happening in many places that en masse realisation has worked out. In America and other places it works out. Two persons came from Australia and now I am getting letters from them that they have given realisation to at least hundred people in Australia. It is most surprising that they themselves have given realisation to hundred persons. It is very much encouraging that the world is today ready to receive it and they are seeking it. I do not know how far I should go and how much I should say but I would like to have some questions from you. It would be a good idea because this is a place of the University and must be some intellectuals sitting here and I would like to have their enquiries about Kundalini if they have to ask me any question I will be very happy to answer. It’s just an introduction. [Question] I’ve seen this chakra in the person…. I’ve seen the white light, but I can’t…… Unclear] Moderator: He is saying he’s had an experience. Shri Mataji: Of the light here. You see, yes, that is a short circuiting. That is a short circuit. Your light has to come from here. There is nothing that you see. You become something. It is not perceived through these senses of a perception like seeing or hearing. Actually when the Kundalini rises, you might see some light. You might also get some fragrance, maybe. But the best Kundalini is that which doesn’t see anything, just goes straightforward. Supposing you are going to the airport, you may see some light, you may see something on the way. But what is the main thing is that you have to achieve at the airport isn’t it? On the way whatever you see has no meaning. But you may see, but some people just do not see anything, just they get it, they are just there. The best aeroplane is that which lands most smoothly. This is what is the Kundalini. The persons should get the minimum of minimum obstructions on their way and then they get the Kundalini rising so smoothly. Suddenly you find oh you are there. You got it. It works. But can be; there could have been such an experience as a short circuiting. It is due to short circuit and also some people have described. I have seen some people such big, big books writing about Kundalini that it burns you and you start shouting and jumping and this and that. It is all unauthorised behaviour. Because supposing you do not know about electricity, you put both your fingers in the plugs and you get the shock and then you say the electricity, I know, it gives you a shock. It is something like that. It’s very, I should say, naive attempt because you have not known what is Kundalini. She is your Mother. She is not going to trouble you. She has been waiting and waiting and waiting for ages and years together, so many lives, and now when the time has come do you think She will trouble you? She is there to give you the greatest blessings of life. Alright? Any other question, please? No thinking. Thought has gone out. Your Kundalini has crossed. You cannot think also, very difficult because Kundalini has risen in many people. You cannot stop your thinking while being aware. Any question? You must ask some questions to me, I don’t know what to say. It’s such a wide subject, isn’t it? It’s a very wide subject. Alright, it’s a nice thing that there are no questions. That means it’s working out itself. Now you have to do a very simple thing. First of all you have to take out your shoes because we are using the Earth to suck our problems also. She does suck. Take out your shoes. Just like this in a most relaxed manner, not to cross your feet. Just sit like this. There is nothing to be frightened. We have had thousands of people getting realisation and they have been cured and the other day I had a great miracle. A lady had come to see Me on a wheel chair, in a very bad condition, about eight days back, and I told her… Eight days back, did she come? When did we have our program? No, no, no, Thursday we had, Thursday. She came and met Me. Thursday she met Me there and Thursday I said, “Alright you put your hand” and this and that. Can you imagine – she came on Monday walking, just walking. And I saw her sitting down there. I mean I was rather surprised, looked at her; I said, “Are you there?” She said, “Yes, very well,” and she got up. I mean it worked that quickly, I mean it can. It can work that quick. Now another lady I know of who was absolutely dead because doctors said that “She is dying, you better prepare for her funeral”. And they had removed all her oxygen and everything and that is the time when her grandson, who is a Sahaja Yogi, said, “Mother, you must come and bless her at the last moment.” I said “Alright”. Now if you say, I don’t go to the hospital because my job is not to cure people but to give realisation. As a by-product they get cured, that’s different. I went there, she was in coma, absolutely in coma and there she is. I saw her also yesterday there, walking into the hall, I don’t know if you saw her. She came and then she went away. I was amazed but I mean I saw her before that. She got cured, she went to India, and the other day she came for the program. So all these things can happen, this is nothing so great. The greatest thing is to become yourself… (inaudible) when all your powers start manifesting, you people can also cure and give realisation. That is how it is going to work. One light which is enlightened can enlighten another light, and the same light then can enlighten another light. Like that it goes on. Just put your hands just like this, like this, in a simple way. Put both the feet straight, on the ground. (Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi) Please keep your feet like this, yes come on. With Indian people always it is so; it is very difficult. You remember one lady we had and she was so rude. They have no value for their own knowledge, not at all, and that is why they come here. Just think of it. This is very common. We went to Wales – on My way I came to Oxford also – there was one Indian lady and she started arguing about something so badly. There were some very good Indians see these women have come from India without any idea as to what they have to do and I said “Alright”. And all the time she was disturbing, all the time. Just put your hands like this, sorry. Put your both the feet on the ground. It’s very cold. Working. Close your eyes now, close your eyes please. Please put your hands like this, all of you, please. What does it take to put your hands? After all, you have come here to get your realisation. Even this much is not possible? just put your hands. Now as a Mother I would say “Be a nice boy, come along, put your hands like this”. Are you putting your hands like this? Just close your eyes. Those who are hungry will get it, those who are not will be thinking still, what to do, what not to do. [Shri Mataji speaks aside, encouraging, asking yogis to help, comments to people.] Shri Mataji: So left is more, it's good. Let's see, there, (?) just see them, also here....(?) ..just close your eyes, close your eyes please, it's going to work out, just close your eyes. E G O. good, hmmm there is another one also, most of them have (inaudible) this gentleman, are you getting the cool breeze in the hands, what...what's happening in the hands...it's stinging..is it...good good Seeker: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: Good, very good, just put your hands like this, it's going to work out...this gentleman has got it already. close your eyes it's going to work out give some time to yourself. (inaudible) please please just give some time it will work out (inaudible) Agnya, left surprisingly, educationality, (inaudible) surprisingly left, just see them. I don't know what to do..(Inaudible) better? If you started feeling cool breeze in the hands you will also feel the breeze coming out of your head on top, better now, moving? If there is shaking in the hands then keep your eyes open. If there is no shaking then please keep your eyes closed. If you cannot close your eyes then there is something wrong. Please close your eyes please do not watch others watch yourself. Today is the time to watch yourself, you have been watching others all your life. Why not watch yourself for a change? .........when are we going to see ourselves and face ourselves when we have been looking at other people never at ourselves. Do not think about it, it has happened to you, so just keep it at that point, do not think about it, allow it to work out nicely so that it is established within you. Who is that girl in the back row....gradually (inaudible) shaking very much, she has a left side problem I think. .....it did not happen? Come along come here, I'll see let him come along Shri Mataji comments on a seeker...he could not even keep his eyes shut for 5 minutes so what can you do? Have you got the cool breeze in the hands? Can you feel the cool breeze in the hands, huh, beg pardon. (seeker speaks inaudible) Shri Mataji: really? You get cool breeze? Good You have been meditating according to what? Huh? Seeker speaks inaudible Shri Mataji: who brought you the mantra? Beg pardon? Seeker speaks inaudible Shri Mataji: (inaudible) Then go at the back will you wear your socks better wear your socks it's very cold. Are you getting cool breeze there? (These people have got it.) But sometimes you get it, sometimes you lose it, (inaudible) ....only when you meditate....there, that's something shows you are a realised soul but they are not there fully alright? You should get it all the time that's the point (inaudible) you see because you need not have gone to anyone to ask for anything you had it yourself, by going to them only you are caught up here and that's how you...if it only comes when you are meditating then you are your self and otherwise it goes out because the problem is there at the back? You feel the heaviness, the heat, that's it that is it you have acquired, (inaudible) huh?........no no I'll tell you what I told you...the thing you see (?) getting the cool breeze is a good thing, you might have been a realised soul, a born realised soul you see but because you went to all these people you are caught up here very badly, it's very heavy here, and that's why you are also wearing specs huh?thats it because you catch here at the back you see and you got it because if you are a realised soul, you must know how to keep it up, how to give realisation to others and you must also know the whole technique about it. Any realised soul. Now these boys are realised, if they go to anyone like that immediately they'll have a catch here or a catch in the heart (inaudible) immediately they'll know that's what's happened with you. So now you'll learn the whole science of Sahaja yoga and absolutely clear out yourself. You'd better, you have to know that. I didn't follow, beg pardon, what's he saying? Wisdom? Beg pardon, mind is always there (inaudible) Seeker speaks again (inaudible) Shri Mataji: throw away. Somebody's saying like that, what is somebody saying with him? Seeker speaks (inaudible) Shri Mataji: Ah you felt that it was like an autosuggestion working? Seeker: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: It cannot work out that way you see when you suggest to someone you can put them into a trance...but not in awareness, not in awareness, you know it won't work out, that's only mesmerism, people do it with open eyes things like that.. H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi	null	null	null	Public Program. Oxford (UK), 8 July 1980. I must apologise for being late today because we were under a wrong impression. We are today facing a new type of problem within our lives, which in the olden times people did not face. Most of them did not think of it; very few thought of it. They were contented people with their ignorance and they did not bother to find out what is beyond us. Perhaps that time we were trying to develop ourselves materially. We were trying to build our tubes and our trains and our hospitals but when that is all over, a new seeking starts in the being, the nature of which is an urge. But what we are seeking we do not know. It’s the first time such an urge starts. Before this we had an urge, say, to eat our food; we knew we were hungry, we have to eat. Or we wanted some shelters, we wanted to build our houses; we wanted comfortable life; we wanted to build our great civilisations, you can say, of affluent countries. But all those wants, very well known to us (so) we could plan about them think about them, were all right till we reached a certain stage of evolution. Suddenly we got exposed to a new urge within us which wanted to know something of the beyond, which was really of the beyond. Because whatever is of the beyond is not conceivable from this end. It cannot be understood, one cannot plan about it, one cannot think about it. But you feel that dirth or, you can say, that kind of a gap within yourself which forces you to seek something. And great seekers were born in the west or in the east. Today I am facing you, I am with you, so for all practical purposes I am a Britisher and a western person because we have to face the problem as we are. This urge within us comes from something we have known before and that is the urge which is given to us from our evolutionary process. We know about our evolution, that we have become human beings from chimpanzee as they say, or maybe from amoeba we have risen to this state; that we have come up to this state; that we feel that we are human beings today. And at this stage after the evolution, when we have finished with the so-called urges of our material wants and our mental wants, we can say in Oxford University… Naturally we wanted to read and know things and science and development and also many of our physical wants being completed, or sort of, we being satisfied about them. Now at this stage of evolution, we are thinking of something else, a gap, there is a void. We feel the void within our lives. The nature of that is vaguely described, that we are seeking our wholesomeness. Some people say that we are seeking our absolute. Some are saying we are seeking our meaning. Some say, “What is the point of living like this?” Now I have had people of different types and different styles and the expression that they give is of this kind of vague attitude towards their seeking. But there is a kind of a seeking which is making them so depressed and so frustrated that they are willing to do anything to get to it. They have done all kinds of experimentation. For example, drugs – most of them have done it out of seeking only. I do not blame them, because it was just seeking. They have gone to gurus, they have gone to other funny places, they have read a lot, all kinds of books whatever is to be read or not read, they have read all kinds of books, sorted it out and found it was useless so thrown away. All this has happened and then we start thinking. Is there any sense in this kind of seeking? Before you when I am sitting and I am telling you about something of the beyond, you have to take a very scientific attitude, scientific in the sense that you have to keep your mind very open. And that it is a hypothesis I am putting before you, which if proved you should give it a full chance to be proved and then accept it. Because here I am speaking about the statutes of divine laws, not of scientific laws, of divine laws, of divinity, of divinity within us, the Spirit within us. And whether it is there or not it is for you to experience, and by any brain washing it is not going to be experienced. Neither by giving false certificates it can work out nor if I tell you, you change your dresses, shave your heads, or stands on your heads. All these outside things are not going to work it out because you must know that you have become a human being without doing anything about it. But we have taken ourselves so much for granted that we don’t bother to even know how it must have happened, what must be the force that must have worked it out that today we are human beings. There must be something, some sort of a force within us, which must have brought forth this evolution within us. So we have before us a chart. Now this again is a hypothesis; you need not accept me at all but you need not deny me because you are here to receive something. I am here just to give you something which you can yourself see and receive it. There is no compulsion of any kind and there is no conviction of any kind. It is something that is of a living nature – evolution, your evolution. The evolution has to take place still within us to know ourselves. We can say that unless and until it is put to the mains, it has no meaning. Unless and until we are connected with the whole, we have no meaning. And if there is something within us which really connects us to that, is there any sense that is written in the scriptures? Like Christ has said that you are to be born again. Is there any such happening that takes place among human beings? Because it is said that a brahmin is a person who is twice born. A brahmin is called a twice born and a bird is also called a twice born. Now a bird is born first as an egg and then as a bird, but how a human being is twice born, that we’ll have to see ourselves. If it is so, if it exists, let us face it. The trouble is we must learn to face it. It is such a tremendous reality and we with our knowledge whatever we have, with our rationality, cannot see it. You have to go beyond this rationality that is so limited. Like if I have come by car, I have to leave my car outside to enter inside this hall. It is something based, I would say, on the space craft style. For example in a space craft you have many cylinders put one into another and the lowest cylinder, we can say, is the cylinder which is just the matter, or the physical being, and then inside are placed other cylinders like the mental being, and the emotional being and the spiritual being. When the cylinder moves, or you should say the space craft moves, the lowest one blasts the rest of it by which it gives it a speed which is in a multiple proportions from which it has started. Then the second one explodes, then the third one explodes. In the same way today, at this stage, you have to be exploded into that last space where you have to reach. It is something on those lines the whole evolution works out. Now within us, as you can see here… I am saying that you keep your mind open, not to accept anything that I say but to see for yourself if it works out. If it does not work out, that is not my fault by any chance because it has worked out with many, many, many English people and with many, many Swiss and French people also. But it has worked out much more in India because Indian villagers are very simple people, they are not so complicated. They did not have the ramblings of the rationality. They have not gone into too much of thinking and planning and that’s why I find that Indian villagers are very well suited for Sahaja Yoga, because they are very simple people and they get their realisation in thousands. It’s changing the complete face of our Indian villages because people are transforming very fast with it. Now within us is placed that connection in the triangular bone, which is called as the Kundalini. She is coiled in three and a half coils, for it’s a mathematical relationship which I’ll tell you later on, and She sleeps there as they call it because there are no words to say about your awareness, what it does, but you may say it sleeps. And when awakened by some authorised person, She ascends through those six centres which are shown here. Can you show, someone? And, six centres; the seventh is out of question. Six centres. In Sanskrit it is called as shatchakrabhed. {Shri Mataji speaks aside to someone] Start from Swadishthana, first then second, then third, then fourth, and fifth and sixth. Now these subtle centres reside within our spinal chord and in our brain. Now when you see these three powers, the first power which is in blue colour is the power of our desire, of our existence. It is expressed outside in the gross as left sympathetic nervous system. The right hand side power which comes to you is called as the power of action, kriya shakti and is expressing itself outside as the right sympathetic nervous system. The central channel is called in Sanskrit language as Sushumna Nadi but it is very partly developed into human beings and is known as parasympathetic nervous system. Our growth within has been up to a point that we are human beings and our awareness has been up to the same point as we are human beings. Whatever we feel on our central nervous system is the achievement of our evolution and whatever we have not yet felt has to be achieved. Now what do we have to achieve by this ascendance or by this Kundalini awakening? What are we expecting? Why Kundalini awakening has been kept there as the last thing that should happen in our evolution? As I said, that is like the chord which connects you to the mains, to the subtle, to the whole, to the universal unconscious. This Kundalini is the residual force which is waiting for a moment when some authority on the subject, not in the theological college but from the Divine, a person who is a realised soul and who has knowledge how to raise the Kundalini, can only raise it. It’s a spontaneous process. It is effortless, like a seed. If you have to sprout it, you cannot pull it out, the primule out of it and sprout it; It has to work out spontaneously. In the same way this Kundalini, when it finds the atmosphere congenial for its awakening, it rises. It passes through these centers and these centers are the landmarks of our evolution. Now when you see that green centre, which is called as the Nabhi Chakra, which in the gross expresses your solar plexus, is responsible for your evolution. This centre has created you out of a carbon atom into amoeba and then to human being. This centre is again very, very important. When this centre becomes extremely powerful, then you get the higher urges of receiving higher heights in your awareness. Now what do we have to become? You have to become the whole. You must have read Jung, and you must have read all these people, who has talked about the universal unconscious, that there is universal unconscious, that there is an all-pervading consciousness, which exists in every person, which is subtler than our consciousness. If we can touch somehow or other that consciousness, we can become aware of that universal unconscious. Jung has said that he has experimented with dreams of thousands of people and he was amazed that in the dream the same universal unconscious throws symbols which are very significant and absolutely universal in nature. For example, a person is to be murdered, then he sees a particular type of a triangle in a particular angle. And if such an angle appears then one must know that there is some indication coming to him that he is going to be murdered. But if he is going to murder someone, the same triangle appears in the opposite direction. He has verified it with thousands and thousands of cases and has said there is universal unconscious working. Now we have scriptures on the other side which says that you are to be born again; you are to be baptised. Of course people think that by going to church you can be baptised. You can understand that is not possible. But you can be baptised through somebody who is a realised soul. And that, also, we have so many other proofs of saying that one has to be beyond. Like medical sciences if you take – in the medical sciences they say that we can manage the sympathetic nervous system, but the parasympathetic nervous system we cannot control, it is autonomous. What is auto? Who is auto? Who is controlling your heart? Supposing you want to run fast, you can increase the rate of your heart. But who can decrease the rate of your heart? Who does that? And they say it is autonomous. It is like saying something unknown and give it a name, finished. Autonomous nervous system; by saying auto they at least accept that there is someone who is controlling the heart, of which we are not aware. Now there is something more than that. For example a foetus is contained in the uterus. Now it is said that any foreign matter that enters into the human body has to be expelled. But it is retained. Not retained but it is nurtured. Not nurtured, it is expelled at the time when it is ready to go out. Who does that? Christ has said, “Those who are not against Me are with Me.” Who are they? There are many things like that, many, many things like that which human beings have not been able to answer. Now before you I say that there is the all-pervading Divine power. It exists. It is the most dynamic power which acts in every particle of this universe. When you see a sulfur dioxide vibrating, you must know that it is done through this power. Nothing moves without that power. It has got a special power by which it can communicate, it can control, it can love. And this power you can achieve through your Kundalini awakening. There is no other way out. Sprouting of the seed has to be done through the sprouter and there is no other way out. And this has to work out within you. I mean, on this subject one can go on speaking for hours together. I must have spoken, I don’t know, two hundred times at least in U.K. And so far they say that “Still, Mother, you have to speak about this subject and that subject”. So the knowledge is vast but by getting realization you become one with your Spirit, one with yourself, and the Spirit is the knowledge, is the joy and is the bliss. You have to achieve that state of self-realization. By self-realisation, what happens to you? First of all when Kundalini rises and crosses over this centre here, what happens? You become thoughtless but you are aware, absolutely aware. Between the two thoughts there is a gap, and when you pass through that gap then your attention becomes silent. There is no thought coming to you from the ego and the super-ego. The yellow stuff is the ego and the left side, blue stuff is the super-ego. No thought comes from your attention, from your past or from the future. You just become silent, but it does not happen to everyone. It doesn’t happen to people who are superficial, those who are just seeking because of fashion. It doesn’t happen to people who think no end of themselves, who are full of ego, whose ego like a balloon covering their head and their heart. It doesn’t happen to people who are full of super-ego, who are possessed. It doesn’t happen to many people who are sick, who have got problems of the body, problems of the mind. But they can be corrected, they can be cured and it can happen. As a result of this, diseases like cancer also get cured. We have cured cancer in your country. We have cured cancer in India. Cancer can only be cured through Kundalini awakening. If you do not get your kundalini awakened today you are making cancer every day within you. Every minute the cancer is established. And once the Kundalini is awakened, the exhaustion of your energy, the over-use of your sympathetic nervous system is brought to balance and all the time there is the flow of the vital energy within you. And you feel absolutely blissful, joyful and that energy then starts flowing through your hands when the Kundalini pierces through your fontanel bone area called as Taloo, Sahasrara. It is called as the Brahmarandhra, means the hole to the brahma. Brahma is the all-pervading power. When it pierces that, then only you will find the cool breeze flowing from your hand, which is described by Adi Shankaracharya as Chaitanya Lahari. It is described by… in the Bible it is described as the breeze of the Holy Ghost. You start feeling your own spirit manifesting that cool breeze from you. And when this starts flowing, you start feeling them differently on different fingers. Now they have shown there how on these fingers you have different colours, the same colours which are in the centres. We have now here five fingers, six and seven. These are the seven centres within us and all these centres get enlightened. Then you start feeling yourself on these centres and you start feeling others on these centres at the very outset. You start feeling which is the problem. Now supposing I put my hand on someone and I get a sort of a pain or sometimes a little burning on this finger. This finger relates to the left side that is the heart and such a person must be having a problem with the heart in some way. But if this finger is combined with this finger, then such a person is full of ego. And if such a person is full of ego, his heart is gone into the balloon of the ego. But because of realisation, you start seeing it within you. Then you don’t feel bad. You yourself say, “Mother, my ego, please put it down, it is colossal.” You yourself start seeing your problems because you have got out of your outside self. You start seeing it so clearly. You start knowing them, cleansing them. Once you have established your self-realisation you become a person who is called as nirvikalpa, means doubtless, become that and from your hand you can raise the Kundalini of people. It is so fantastic but unbelievable, people cannot believe it. It is too fantastic, but the fantastic times have come. For example if you take a television to a place where people have never seen a television and you tell them that there are lots of pictures around and you can see them, they will be quite surprised. How can that be? But as soon as a television is put to the mains, you can see those fantastic pictures. And this is what happens. It is exactly what happens to you because you are the instrument made for this specially. You are the one who has to become that instrument. Your fulfilment is in becoming that, in knowing that. It is not a thing which can be just told or could be read about. It is an experience. It has to happen. If it does not happen, it does not happen. You cannot force anybody. You cannot say it has happened. It is not possible. For this experience God has created you and all of you have to get this experience. Otherwise, you will be left behind in evolution and you can never be happy. There are many who do not bother about it. They do not even have any seeking in this world. There are so many who have no seeking, very superficial people, but they all have to come. But there are also very ardent, real seekers. I have found them, so many of them are real. And once we establish them, I am sure many others would join. It is a slow process because it is a living process. You can create, as many as you want, plastic flowers but to create one flower, you have to wait. But once the blossom time comes, many can get realisation and it is happening in many places that en masse realisation has worked out. In America and other places it works out. Two persons came from Australia and now I am getting letters from them that they have given realisation to at least hundred people in Australia. It is most surprising that they themselves have given realisation to hundred persons. It is very much encouraging that the world is today ready to receive it and they are seeking it. I do not know how far I should go and how much I should say but I would like to have some questions from you. It would be a good idea because this is a place of the University and must be some intellectuals sitting here and I would like to have their enquiries about Kundalini if they have to ask me any question I will be very happy to answer. It’s just an introduction. [Question] I’ve seen this chakra in the person…. I’ve seen the white light, but I can’t…… Unclear] Moderator: He is saying he’s had an experience. Shri Mataji: Of the light here. You see, yes, that is a short circuiting. That is a short circuit. Your light has to come from here. There is nothing that you see. You become something. It is not perceived through these senses of a perception like seeing or hearing. Actually when the Kundalini rises, you might see some light. You might also get some fragrance, maybe. But the best Kundalini is that which doesn’t see anything, just goes straightforward. Supposing you are going to the airport, you may see some light, you may see something on the way. But what is the main thing is that you have to achieve at the airport isn’t it? On the way whatever you see has no meaning. But you may see, but some people just do not see anything, just they get it, they are just there. The best aeroplane is that which lands most smoothly. This is what is the Kundalini. The persons should get the minimum of minimum obstructions on their way and then they get the Kundalini rising so smoothly. Suddenly you find oh you are there. You got it. It works. But can be; there could have been such an experience as a short circuiting. It is due to short circuit and also some people have described. I have seen some people such big, big books writing about Kundalini that it burns you and you start shouting and jumping and this and that. It is all unauthorised behaviour. Because supposing you do not know about electricity, you put both your fingers in the plugs and you get the shock and then you say the electricity, I know, it gives you a shock. It is something like that. It’s very, I should say, naive attempt because you have not known what is Kundalini. She is your Mother. She is not going to trouble you. She has been waiting and waiting and waiting for ages and years together, so many lives, and now when the time has come do you think She will trouble you? She is there to give you the greatest blessings of life. Alright? Any other question, please? No thinking. Thought has gone out. Your Kundalini has crossed. You cannot think also, very difficult because Kundalini has risen in many people. You cannot stop your thinking while being aware. Any question? You must ask some questions to me, I don’t know what to say. It’s such a wide subject, isn’t it? It’s a very wide subject. Alright, it’s a nice thing that there are no questions. That means it’s working out itself. Now you have to do a very simple thing. First of all you have to take out your shoes because we are using the Earth to suck our problems also. She does suck. Take out your shoes. Just like this in a most relaxed manner, not to cross your feet. Just sit like this. There is nothing to be frightened. We have had thousands of people getting realisation and they have been cured and the other day I had a great miracle. A lady had come to see Me on a wheel chair, in a very bad condition, about eight days back, and I told her… Eight days back, did she come? When did we have our program? No, no, no, Thursday we had, Thursday. She came and met Me. Thursday she met Me there and Thursday I said, “Alright you put your hand” and this and that. Can you imagine – she came on Monday walking, just walking. And I saw her sitting down there. I mean I was rather surprised, looked at her; I said, “Are you there?” She said, “Yes, very well,” and she got up. I mean it worked that quickly, I mean it can. It can work that quick. Now another lady I know of who was absolutely dead because doctors said that “She is dying, you better prepare for her funeral”. And they had removed all her oxygen and everything and that is the time when her grandson, who is a Sahaja Yogi, said, “Mother, you must come and bless her at the last moment.” I said “Alright”. Now if you say, I don’t go to the hospital because my job is not to cure people but to give realisation. As a by-product they get cured, that’s different. I went there, she was in coma, absolutely in coma and there she is. I saw her also yesterday there, walking into the hall, I don’t know if you saw her. She came and then she went away. I was amazed but I mean I saw her before that. She got cured, she went to India, and the other day she came for the program. So all these things can happen, this is nothing so great. The greatest thing is to become yourself… (inaudible) when all your powers start manifesting, you people can also cure and give realisation. That is how it is going to work. One light which is enlightened can enlighten another light, and the same light then can enlighten another light. Like that it goes on. Just put your hands just like this, like this, in a simple way. Put both the feet straight, on the ground. (Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi) Please keep your feet like this, yes come on. With Indian people always it is so; it is very difficult. You remember one lady we had and she was so rude. They have no value for their own knowledge, not at all, and that is why they come here. Just think of it. This is very common. We went to Wales – on My way I came to Oxford also – there was one Indian lady and she started arguing about something so badly. There were some very good Indians see these women have come from India without any idea as to what they have to do and I said “Alright”. And all the time she was disturbing, all the time. Just put your hands like this, sorry. Put your both the feet on the ground. It’s very cold. Working. Close your eyes now, close your eyes please. Please put your hands like this, all of you, please. What does it take to put your hands? After all, you have come here to get your realisation. Even this much is not possible? just put your hands. Now as a Mother I would say “Be a nice boy, come along, put your hands like this”. Are you putting your hands like this? Just close your eyes. Those who are hungry will get it, those who are not will be thinking still, what to do, what not to do. [Shri Mataji speaks aside, encouraging, asking yogis to help, comments to people.] Shri Mataji: So left is more, it's good. Let's see, there, (?) just see them, also here....(?) ..just close your eyes, close your eyes please, it's going to work out, just close your eyes. E G O. good, hmmm there is another one also, most of them have (inaudible) this gentleman, are you getting the cool breeze in the hands, what...what's happening in the hands...it's stinging..is it...good good Seeker: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: Good, very good, just put your hands like this, it's going to work out...this gentleman has got it already. close your eyes it's going to work out give some time to yourself. (inaudible) please please just give some time it will work out (inaudible) Agnya, left surprisingly, educationality, (inaudible) surprisingly left, just see them. I don't know what to do..(Inaudible) better? If you started feeling cool breeze in the hands you will also feel the breeze coming out of your head on top, better now, moving? If there is shaking in the hands then keep your eyes open. If there is no shaking then please keep your eyes closed. If you cannot close your eyes then there is something wrong. Please close your eyes please do not watch others watch yourself. Today is the time to watch yourself, you have been watching others all your life. Why not watch yourself for a change? .........when are we going to see ourselves and face ourselves when we have been looking at other people never at ourselves. Do not think about it, it has happened to you, so just keep it at that point, do not think about it, allow it to work out nicely so that it is established within you. Who is that girl in the back row....gradually (inaudible) shaking very much, she has a left side problem I think. .....it did not happen? Come along come here, I'll see let him come along Shri Mataji comments on a seeker...he could not even keep his eyes shut for 5 minutes so what can you do? Have you got the cool breeze in the hands? Can you feel the cool breeze in the hands, huh, beg pardon. (seeker speaks inaudible) Shri Mataji: really? You get cool breeze? Good You have been meditating according to what? Huh? Seeker speaks inaudible Shri Mataji: who brought you the mantra? Beg pardon? Seeker speaks inaudible Shri Mataji: (inaudible) Then go at the back will you wear your socks better wear your socks it's very cold. Are you getting cool breeze there? (These people have got it.) But sometimes you get it, sometimes you lose it, (inaudible) ....only when you meditate....there, that's something shows you are a realised soul but they are not there fully alright? You should get it all the time that's the point (inaudible) you see because you need not have gone to anyone to ask for anything you had it yourself, by going to them only you are caught up here and that's how you...if it only comes when you are meditating then you are your self and otherwise it goes out because the problem is there at the back? You feel the heaviness, the heat, that's it that is it you have acquired, (inaudible) huh?........no no I'll tell you what I told you...the thing you see (?) getting the cool breeze is a good thing, you might have been a realised soul, a born realised soul you see but because you went to all these people you are caught up here very badly, it's very heavy here, and that's why you are also wearing specs huh?thats it because you catch here at the back you see and you got it because if you are a realised soul, you must know how to keep it up, how to give realisation to others and you must also know the whole technique about it. Any realised soul. Now these boys are realised, if they go to anyone like that immediately they'll have a catch here or a catch in the heart (inaudible) immediately they'll know that's what's happened with you. So now you'll learn the whole science of Sahaja yoga and absolutely clear out yourself. You'd better, you have to know that. I didn't follow, beg pardon, what's he saying? Wisdom? Beg pardon, mind is always there (inaudible) Seeker speaks again (inaudible) Shri Mataji: throw away. Somebody's saying like that, what is somebody saying with him? Seeker speaks (inaudible) Shri Mataji: Ah you felt that it was like an autosuggestion working? Seeker: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: It cannot work out that way you see when you suggest to someone you can put them into a trance...but not in awareness, not in awareness, you know it won't work out, that's only mesmerism, people do it with open eyes things like that.. H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
7/9/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6613	Many People are Seeking	England	Bristol	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	77	Public Program. Bristol(UK), 9 July 1980. Yesterday in Oxford I talked about the new way of seeking among human beings. There was seeking in ancient times also but not to this extent. Thousands and thousands of people all over the world are seeking. They are not satisfied with what they are. They have a feeling that there is something beyond they have to seek. There is some greater meaning to their being. They are not here only to earn, to live and die. This comes out of some unknown self-esteem which dawns upon us and we start thinking, "What are we doing here? Why are we here?" All such questions haunt us and we take to seeking and as soon as this kind of news is out that people are seeking, markets get filled with people who are willing to give you some sort of a solution for your seeking. Everything else can be solved through marketing, maybe, but not your evolution. For example, you have evolved from amoebic stage to this stage without going to any shop, without paying for anything. It is such a spontaneous thing. Though we have taken ourselves absolutely granted, as if human life is made by us, still if you think about it, we find that there is some force which resides within every being that helps to give this evolution to us. By what thinking can we become something higher? Because by not thinking that we became human beings from chimpanzees, we spontaneously became. But very difficult to accept this concept at a human stage, that you become spontaneously what you are because evolution is a living force. It is not a mechanical force. It is a living force and everything that is living acts spontaneously, for example, sprouting of a seed. We cannot even sprout a single seed. Transformation of a flower into a fruit, the growth of the trees, birth of a child - all these things happen to us absolutely spontaneously. First of all we have to tell our mind that by the mind's effort you cannot achieve living process. Hence, you cannot achieve your realization. Now it is very difficult in the West especially where people are thinkers and their mind is too much going very far sometimes to understand this little point, and if possible people might try even to sprout a seed by thinking, by projecting their mind into the seed. But you know for definite that we cannot do it. Moreover, no effort can bring forth human effort. There must be some effort but not human effort. So it is absolutely effortless. You do not have to put on any effort to bring forth the happening of this Self-realization. So we come to the point: what is Self-realization? What is self and what is ...What is Self-realization and what is Self? When I tell you about it you do not have to deny Me, but keep a very open mind like a scientist does. It can be all proved whatever I am saying. If it is proved, then you have to accept this hypothesis. But for that you have to keep your mind absolutely open. There is a force beyond us which does all these things, which brings forth the fruits that we see, which allows the trees to grow, which has made us human beings from amoebic stage. Self is within our heart. It is said so and I say the same thing. It is the reflection of God Almighty. Many people in modern times don't like the word "God" but He exists whether you like it or not. He does exist. Now the time has come for us to prove the existence of God because people talked of God without any proof. They made money in the name of God. They have used His name for such purposes that people are now angry with God. But one can use a good thing for their own purpose if they are not punishable by law. On God everybody has spoken, even Napoleon, Hitler. Everyone had a right to speak about God and His powers. Without knowing anything about God they have taken everything into their hands and have spoken about it. What can you do about it? There is no law that forbids you that you cannot speak about God. This spirit in our heart is the one which is the witness of our being. It is the witness that sees what's happening. In Gita is it called as KshetrAgnya, the one who knows the field, which knows the field. This knower of the field resides in our heart and watches us. He knows each and everything about us and He guides us. But we are not in contact with Him. We do not know Him. That means He is not acting through our central nervous system. For example, we know our eyes, we know our nose, we know our ears because we can feel them. We can see the use of all these organs. But we cannot feel that which is in our heart, you see. That is our absolute. That is the one we have to know. That is the source of joy. We may say that we are very happy to have this, we are unhappy to do this. But this joy that we have has no double thing. It's just sheer joy. It is not happiness and unhappiness. This Spirit exists in our heart. When you all are seeking, actually you are seeking that Spirit. Through that Spirit you know the whole, the primordial being, the macrocosm of which you are just a part. Like the whole body has cells, you are cells in that body. You have to know because you are created for that. As we have created this instrument, it has to be plugged, otherwise it has no meaning. In the same way, unless and until you are plugged to that whole, you have no meaning at all. Whatever you are doing with this instrument without plugging is all a waste. On the contrary you are spoiling this instrument by using it without plugging. In the same way, you are to be connected to the mains. Unless and until you are connected to the mains, your seeking will go on and on and on. It will never end. So I've come here... [Shri Mataji talks to new seekers just arriving] Please come, they have no place. Please give them some chairs. Be comfortable. In Sahaja Yoga, comfort is the first thing you have to seek. Just come forward. It's all right. We have been going on with our seeking, and in our seeking we started with so many things. People, as you know, have been seeking joy in material possessions. Now in affluent countries they are fed up. Then they are seeking joy in power. That is also over. So many people I've heard they say, "Stupid politics." Now they are seeking afterwards with that in some sort of a collective working. That also they get fed up. The seeking is within and not without, is the point. You have to know yourself within and not without. Because whatever is known without is relative; it is not absolute. Unless and until you know yourself, everything that you do is a relative thing. Today I was discussing this with someone who was very much sort of impressed by communism. I have been to Russia only very recently and I told him that whether you take to communism or democracy, both are relative things. They have not been able to achieve any proper results by which people are really joyous. The trouble is all these things we have discovered through our rationality which is limited. We have to be triggered into the space of thoughtless awareness, into collective consciousness. Unless and until we are on that level we cannot understand what is guiding us, what is the force that has created this universe which is guiding every atom and every molecule, which is guiding our heart and looking after our deviation, and our whole constitution is managed by that force because we are not yet connected. But the time has come, and that's why the seeking. At the time of Christ only two thousand years back, not much; you could hardly get twelve fishermen. Can you imagine the plight of talking to fishermen about Kundalini? How could you talk to them about these things? But today there are real seekers born. It's described in the ancient books of Nala Purana, very clearly that once Nala was very much tortured by Kali. Kali is the ruler of modern times because he is the one who creates confusion. That's why in the modern times we are in confusion. So this Nala was so angry with Kali because he had made his wife separated from Nala. So he got hold of Kali and he said, "What do you mean by destroying my life like this? I'm going to destroy you completely!" And then Kali got a fright of his life and he said, "Please forgive me. First you listen to me and my importance, my mahatmya. I'll tell you what I am living for and after that if you want to kill me, I'll accept." He said, "My importance is that when I will rule on this earth, Kaliyuga will come." This is, of course, the end of Kaliyuga has come now. "That time people will be confused, there will be problems, societies will be destroyed, there will be mental problems, people will be very upset. Agreed. All these will be there, but in those days only the great saints who are seeking me in the hills and dales, in the forests, will be born as ordinary householders and ordinary city dwellers and they will seek and they will achieve their Self-realization." He said, "Is it so?" He said, "It's a promise." That is happening today. Thousands and thousands of people are city dwellers are seeking God. They are not in the forest. They are living into day-to-day mundane life, but they are seeking and they are not satisfied. They are not happy with what they are living. These seekers have to be given their realization and they have to achieve that realization. This is their due. I am just like a bank manager cashing your checks - nothing more than that. Only thing I know how to cash it. This is your own property; it's your own earnings; it's your own sincerity with which you have done this and you have to have it. You have to get it. It's your own right to get it. You are born for this. Thousands will be realized later on by you. You will give them realization, no doubt. You are the foundations of that. But in the beginning we have to have people who have been of that caliber. In the beginning we cannot worry about people who are still halfway this and halfway that; superficial people who go to the pub and come here for the program, on the way, because it is free. That kind of people may not get realization. But people of caliber, of sincerity, have to get their realization. It is their due, it is their right, and how can you charge for that? I mean, just think how absurd it is. I just cannot understand. How do you explain charging for a thing like that? It is love. Can you enjoy your love if you have to sell it? What's the price? Price of love is loving, is giving, your wage without any return. It just flows, it emits and it should happen to you because it is your due. Today now I am going to tell you how it is placed within us, how beautifully the Divine has planned within us, among all of us who are actual seekers and saints. This is the sign of saintliness that we believe that material things are not going to give us joy, that belief that we have to find something of the beyond that we cannot be happy without finding that is the sign that we are saints. Now see how you are beautifully made. There are now seven centers within us. One of them, the lowest, lies below the spinal cord. The rest of them, six of them one, two, three, four, five and six they lie within our spinal cord and our brain. These centers are subtle centers inside the spinal cord and they manifest outside, the gross plexuses which are used for physical manifestation. These subtle ones are giving energy to that part, that area of the body and the mind. These are actually the milestones of our evolution, especially the one which is the green one. Here you see is the third center as called as a Nabhi Chakra, means the navel center, is the one that is responsible for our seeking. We start seeking through our Nabhi Chakra. First if you see an amoeba, it seeks food. We seek the food first. That is the first priority and that seeking starts from there. Then this seeking starts transforming as we grow into our evolution till we reach a certain stage where we start seeking Spirit, seeking God. And that stage if it has arrived, the Kundalini which is the residual force there, which is the One who is your Mother, who is waiting for this kind of a occasion where somebody who knows Her can raise Her, can awaken Her, She knows an invitation is sent to Her through your hands. That's why he was saying, "If you sit like this it will be better. It will work faster." Can you put both the feet like this, straight like that and hands like this? Would be better. Yes, like this, it will work much faster. To raise this Kundalini someone who can do it, the job. But the person who raises the Kundalini has to have some sort of authority. And authority doesn't come from the governments or from the churches or from the temples. It comes from God, and such a person has to be a different type of a person, has to be the person who loves, who only loves and doesn't know anything else beyond. A person who is interested in your purse or in your women, how can such a person raise the Kundalini? A person who leads a licentious life and a filthy life and a sickly person who suffers from all kinds of diseases, how can he raise the Kundalini? Because you'll be amazed when the Kundalini rises, your physical problems will disappear. Now cancer can only be cured through Kundalini awakening. We have done it, not only here but also in India. Cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Kundalini rising. I've cured even our President of India, Sanjeeva Reddy, of his cancer. You may write to his secretary and find out, but what I did was nothing but to raise his Kundalini because Kundalini goes into the parasympathetic nervous system and She builds up that force which is all the time flowing through different centers. For example, we can say that we have two left and right sympathetic nervous system manifested by left and right powers. Of one is the left side, is the power of desire, and the right side is the power of creativity. For that we use our physical side also. Now these two powers start acting on the centers like this. If you start using on any center a particular extreme flow of the power, if you start exhausting it, it breaks. When it breaks, the connection with the whole is disconnected, is broken. Because of that it becomes on its own, sort of, goes on, like a person on the motor bike. "What do I care? I can bang at anyone. Who can say anything to me? I'll bang at ten people. What do I care?" Once it starts, that means you are on your own. Once you are on your own you are spreading the malignancy of the society. You have no connection with the whole. You think, "What's wrong? So what?" You do not know that by breaking your relationship with the whole, you are a malignant cell and such people, you know, have to be sent to jail or some place where they settle down and their malignancy is cured. In the same way in the body malignancy sets in, in the being, and the coordinated growth of the body becomes discoordinated. Like a person might get a big nose coming out because the nose says, "Why shouldn't I grow big compared to others?" Or an ear becoming big like that. All this nonsense is nothing but simply cancer and this kind of cancer is settling within us every moment because we do go to extremes. I've seen people if they are fond of tennis then morning till evening they are nothing but tennis racket. If they are fond of football they become footballs. I mean, you don't know they lose everything that is the whole and just become that and they are such crazy ones that they don't know what they are doing. So all these extreme behaviors of human beings can lead them to a, if not to the physical cancer to the social cancer or to the mental cancer. Cancer is nothing but the over-activity of the sympathetic nervous system on both the sides. Now when the activity is too much within us and the whole cannot cope with it, it breaks the connection. When the connection is broken, then you become on your own and how to now connect is the problem. Supposing you are going by car and the petrol is getting exhausted, attention mounts and when the petrol is finished, you are finished; you can't move. In the same way when your energy gets exhausted or is about to exhaust, you get tensions, you get heart attacks, you get diabetes because of this kind of over-activity. For example, diabetes can be easily cured by Sahaja Yoga. If there is only one side activity of the right hand side which is very much in the West you get liver problems, you get diabetes, you get heart attack. It starts with liver, goes up to diabetes. If you don't get diabetes you get heart because you are using too much of right side. Right side is responsible for your future, for your planning, for your creativity. And your body also works that power of action. So when you act what you do that you start using your right side too much and the left side freezes by which your heart comes into action and it just stops. First, it sometimes gives one attack. Then you don't listen, you don't lie down, you don't rest, then second attack. Then the third, it finishes you. It's just to create the balance within you. Another thing, in the heart, as I told you, resides the Spirit. When you go too much - I mean, some people I've seen they do karate and after karate, I don't know, they are all becoming wrestlers. Then they become wrestlers, I don't know. One fellow came to Me, all his backbone like this. I said, "Now, what is this?" He said, "Mother, I have done horse riding, Oh no. Then I have done motor racing, Grand Prix all that, jumping from the parachutes, You see, and all sorts of things." And then, "Why did you do it? What was the need?" And he broke all his bones, I mean, nicely broken back he was, just like this. I said, "Why were you after your life and after your backbone? What is the matter? Why did you do it?" I couldn't understand. He said, "Mother, I wanted to know why am I living and I outlasted all these accidents. So there must be some meaning to my life. That's why I have come to You." I said, "But for that, My child, what was the need to break this backbone of yours?" So I had to first put his backbone right and now he is a realized soul. So this is what happens with human beings: that they do not pay attention to their Spirit which is in the heart. All the attention is outside; you are paying attention to, say, our physical being. For example, people are doing Hatha Yoga. Now Hatha Yoga is - I don't know who has brought this kind of Hatha Yoga to the West. Hatha Yoga, as you know, is Ashthanga. There are eight parts of Hatha Yoga. It used to be done till the age of only twenty-five years in the celibate condition. And the most important is the Ishwara Pranidana, means Self-realization. Ishwara is your Spirit, to achieve your Self-realization first. And the exercises are only meant if you have a problem on these centers. But the way we do it indiscriminately, every sort of exercise we do. It is like taking all the medicines from the medicine chest without finding what's the matter with you. And we say we are Hatha yogis. And such people catch on the heart. You'll be amazed, all the Hatha yogis, we can make out the way they catch their heart. We have three, four realized souls here, who were real Hatha yogis and also karate thing they did. So My problems are like this, that all My children have been up to something and I have to first correct them. Then the Kundalini rises. She does. Actually, She is such a kind Mother, such an affectionate Mother, that She rises again and again, and She cures and controls and balances. You will get your realization, I know, today but again it will go down because you must have done something extreme. Now don't feel guilty. That's another fashion because if I say anything there's another, this center catches on the left hand side, Vishuddhi, because you feel guilty. That's one thing please don't do. That idea of feeling guilty is very wrong, against your Self-realization. Because you must know that God is compassion of love. And what mistakes can you commit? What guilt can you have? He will wash off all your guilts and He will wash off all your problems. He is ocean of compassion. He is not just a drop somewhere. He is the complete ocean which is so powerful and which is going to work it out. So please do not develop this guilt when I am telling you about it. It's all right. Whatever has happened, it has happened. We have to think of today and not of what has happened and what we have been up to. All that would be forgotten once we are there, when we reach a certain point of achievement in life. Like when people climbed over to Mount Everest they forgot all that was they had to face on the way. So you forget all that had gone wrong with you, all that you did wrong to yourself and you just enjoy the achievement of your being. After receiving realization, as he said, the Kundalini passes through your fontanel bone area. This is called as Talu and actually you can feel first the throbbing here. You can feel. You can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini, with your naked eyes, when you try it. You can see the rising of the Kundalini. Of course, some people are such a smooth sailing that you don't see anything. You are just there. But somehow obstruction in the Nabhi or the Swadishthana, is the second center, then you do see Kundalini trying to push, trying to push. You can see very clearly in many people. Then it rises. You can see, with stethoscope you can hear, "Lap tap, lap tap" going on, till it reaches here. Kabira has said that when it reaches to the silent point of triangle, means here, the Anahatha, the sound of the heart, sound like Anahathi, it is called the sound without the percussion, stops. That is the time when you get your realization. That is the time you get connected. That is the time you become subtler. That is the time you become collectively conscious. You become. Now this is a very important word to understand - you become. You do not accept Me on mental level. It is a happening within you. Your own awareness becomes enlightened. For example, I would say this room you come to and it's all dark. When you come inside you see this chair, you think is the room, you think this carpet is the room. But when you put on the light, the whole thing becomes enlightened. The room becomes enlightened. In the same way your awareness becomes enlightened, means your attention becomes enlightened. Your attention is outside. For example, you are paying attention to Me. But if I say, "Pay attention to yourself," you cannot. That's why this happening takes place. Because of this happening, your attention is sucked in. And then that attention becomes enlightened because that attention then enters into the realm of Spirit, the Spirit which is the light. I give an example of our gaslights. It's a very good example because we don't have them in India but here it is easy to give that example. If the gas light has got a little flicker going on, that supposing is the Spirit and the Kundalini is the force of gas that comes in. When that comes close to this flicker, it gets enlightened. In the same way your attention which is not enlightened becomes enlightened. That's how you become collectively conscious. Again I say, become. For example, those who are realized here, they are just like you to look at. Maybe there's more glow on their faces, maybe. But they know where is your Kundalini. They can feel it within themselves. They know what chakras you are catching. You see on the hands. You start feeling all these centers are of the sympathetic. For example, this is first, second third, fourth, fifth, sixth, that's seventh. These seven centers become enlightened. You can feel it on your fingers. If this is catching that means that there's something wrong with your throat. This is the center of Vishuddhi on the right hand side, this physical side. Now here we have Alan's, his uncle got his realization long time back. He is a very great Sahaja yogi today, and he is an archeologist. He got his realization and as usual as the Western mind is, you see, there were about very few of them. So you start doubting whether it is correct or not; let's find out. So when I told him that "You have become," he could not believe. "How can that be? How can that be? I mean, how can I become like that?" So he told Me, "Mother, just now I am feeling here lot of heat in this area." I said, "This is all father's side and this is the throat or this area of bronchus. You ask, telephone to your house, your father must be down with bronchitis." So he telephoned. The mother came in. He said, "How is Dad?" "He is down with bronchitis." Then I said, "All right, you rub it here. Rub it nicely." Because his hands are now vibrating. It's flowing. That's vibratory awareness. I said, "You rub it." Next day, the phone came, "He is all right, suddenly. We don't know what miracle has happened." It is a miracle in such a way that, say, I show you a television set here and supposing you are villagers, you have never seen a television set. And I say, "Now there are lots of pictures over here and sound and music here." You say, "Where?" "It is there. I'll show you just now a magic." And I put on, put it to the mains and you start seeing the television, and say, "Oh God, you are a magician!" In the same way when your instrument starts manifesting, you become a magician. It is all there just to be awakened. It's all just waiting to be awakened. All this magic exists and it is such a wonderful world and then you become collectively conscious. When you become collectively conscious you start feeling others. For example, you are going with somebody, a friend of yours who is not realized, and you are a realized soul. So you ask the other person, "Have you got a headache?" He says, "Yes, why? How do you know?" He says, "I know, I have a little headache." You see, there is an indication comes, little heaviness. All right, he'll be all right. He rubs his head and the fellow feels all right. When you are realized you can raise the Kundalini of others. You can give them realization; all of them are giving realization. But we do not carry a circus with us, you see? Like some people carry a banner or some sort of a big thing or they stand on the streets and sing loudly or they have a name. We do not carry any circus whatsoever. You are absolutely normal because the happening is within and not without. It is not a cheap thing to do. It's a dignifying thing. It's your own dignity; you come up to your dignity to your glory. And you don't do these cheap advertisements. All right, Sahaja Yoga has to spread slowly. It cannot spread just like that, that thousands of them will be there, because we cannot have only members; like we pay five pounds, you become a member. In Sahaja Yoga you cannot. We have no membership, nor organization whatsoever. You pay some money, you become member. "Oh, we have so many thousand members." So what's the use of having such members, foolish things? You are just making fool out of them. Like saying that we'll make you fly, all this kind of falsehood and all that. Are you going to become birds now? Or frogs? Then another sort of things starts, "Let us be vegetarians." This is another madness. It's all right if you don't feel like eating; don't eat. But these things are not important. The way we become vegetarians, you see. Am I going to give realization to chickens? You have to be human beings. And they are the most important thing. In the eyes of God all your big, big palaces are of no value. He doesn't value them. These are stones. All other material possessions you have, He doesn't value them. These are dust of His Feet. But to Him a little bird which is aware is more important, He will protect it. To Him a human being is much more, much more important than a bird. And to Him a realized soul is the thing for which all the angels, all the beauties and all the guidance and all the blessings of God are made. If you are told, "You come and receive your Self-realization," it looks really pretentious, I know. We've been trying all kinds of advertisement. I am a little, I should say, people say, "Mother, You are shy of publicity," whatever you may call it, but I said, "We cannot lose our dignity. Whatever you do, do it with dignity." Everything has to be done with dignity, because we have to achieve our dignity. You are free to choose. There is no compulsion. But somebody said, "I take money because then it compels people to be here." But why compel? It's the main point. "Because if they pay for anything then they want to go through it. Whether, even if their legs are broken, doesn't matter." This is something very different, absolutely different. It is a living process. Only difference is that at the time of Christ, we never had such halls and such seekers. He just talked about God, for that He was crucified. That was to show how human beings were foolish and stupid not to accept the real. But falsehood, hypocrisy, nonsense, is garlanded, is paid for, has all the support of the kings and the queens and all that. And the reality has to grow very slowly. All the saints who were real have been tortured. Nobody understood them. But how they were enamored by horrible people like Rasputin. Even today it is happening. You have to know that first you find out your Self. Then you will know who is real and who is not. The credibility of the whole thing should be this way that those who are following any type of procedure, what have they achieved? Have they manifested anyone of their own power? You see, your guru may be a great. There's one gentleman who told Me that "My guru can remove this glass from here to there, sitting down here." I said, "What is the use of removing this glass from here to there? I don't understand. And why should God do it from here to there?" Or, "He gives me diamonds." I said, "Really? He's an Indian? Then he should solve all our financial problems in India. And why does he give you the diamond? Because you are a rich man. And how much you have given him?" "Of course, I have all the shraddha for him." He gets one diamond and he gives him the money which is worth hundred. Why should God give you diamonds? If He has to give you, He will give you the absolute, because He is Absolute. He'll give you something of the highest value. Of course, as a byproduct, you get your physical being all right, your mental being all right, even your material being all right. Krishna has said, "Yoga kshema mahatmyam." When the Yoga takes place, then the well-being works out, not before. Not before, He didn't say, "Kshema Yoga." He said, "Yoga Kshema mahatmyam." First the Yoga. This is the union. When this takes place, then the well-being works out. How? Because there is the same center I was telling you. Is the center for our well-being and is the principle of Lakshmi. When it is awakened, our well-being is all right, but we do not become so rich that we end up in the casinos. We become sensible, wise people, materially all right, sufficient, satisfied, joyous, loving, understanding and a new race is to be born and a new type of life has to come. You are the seekers of that life. But you must know that you have to cooperate a little bit. [INAUDIBLE] horrid stuff It just encircles your heart and you cannot see anything. And such colossal ones they are but unless and until you get realization you will not know that. There's a boy who has written a book about Me and before that, before he wrote that book, he came one day very much frightened to Me. He said, "Mother, I have a colossal ego. I can't see it. I am stupid. And this colossal ego I don't know how to get rid of it. It makes me stupid. But tell me one thing ..." I said, "What?" "Am I, was I Napoleon in previous lives?" I said, "What makes you think that way?" He said, "Because I am French, because I know how to draw and have such a colossal ego. These three combinations, does it mean that? And if it means don't tell me, otherwise I'll commit suicide." You start seeing all that. Once you start seeing all that, you start correcting it. You have to repair your car by getting out of it. When you are inside it you cannot. That's what happens to you. You become the other, you become the Self and the Kundalini helps you to correct yourself and you correct it and you like to correct it. Because if this sari is not Me, if I am not identified with the sari, if it gets dirty, I want to get it cleaned. I don't feel bad if you tell Me there is something. I feel I want to clean it. That's what happens to you and this is what has to happen. As I said many a times and I say again that I must have given two hundreds lectures in England so far, maybe more, I don't know, I have not yet counted all of them. There are tapes. It tapes every time I speak. It goes on the knowledge. I don't know, I don't read much. I don't have time to read at all. It all comes from here somewhere. But all this knowledge will come to you and you will be amazed how you will be manifesting your powers in so many ways. The greatest power that you will be manifesting will be of love. You'll become such a loving person that all your seriousness will vanish into thin air and you'll be chirping like birds and blossoming like flowers. Please. This is what one has to achieve and get it in one's self. There are all types of people and all types of flowers, but all of them can be blossomed because the blossom time has come. The time has come. That's how it is going to work out. Let us see how it works out within you. Thank you very much. Now I would like you to ask Me some questions. It would be a good thing, because as I told you it is a very vast subject. Maybe something you must be wanting to know which I may not have covered because I have not covered even this bit of the subject. Please ask Me questions. Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Not important, at all, it's not important because, you see, your attention should not be on food. Attention should be if you ask Me, I don't know what I had for My lunch, you see? It should be not there. Because you are vegetarians and all the time worried about vegetarianism, is all wrong, there is not necessarily. It is, I mean, I don't say that you be a glutton. It doesn't mean that either at all. You see, you have to be in the center. Eat as much as required for your body, not overeating. The attention should not be on the food. See, vegetarianism was introduced by Brahmins in India, because first of all in India, the Brahmins were the only ones who knew the Brahma, means the ones who were realized souls. Realized souls were called as Brahmins. As Christian means baptized, you see? But then the Brahmins became a cult. They wouldn't accept that because - I'll tell you the example is Vyasa who has written Gita himself. He was a son, illegitimate son of a fisherwoman but he is a Brahmin because he was a realized soul. So the Brahmin word means the person whose self has been achieved, is the Brahmin. Or the Brahmin jaati, jaati means the aptitude, a temperament, the one who has the temperament to go. You are all Brahmins because you are seekers of Brahma. You are the seekers of the Divine Power. So you are all Brahmins. And then these Brahmins, you see, they, when they wanted to start a cult that a Brahmin can be born to a Brahmin and like a prenatal achievement. Just to establish that they started all this nonsense that you should be a vegetarian, you should... because it's very easy. See if I say you are, "Be a vegetarian," very easy to be a vegetarian, what is difficult in becoming vegetarian? In India especially where, I mean mostly you have to eat vegetables. Nobody eats so much meat as you people eat here because we don't need it. It's very heating. Very little, people eat. So become vegetarians, very easy. So they took these things. Many nonsense they did. You see, like your priests have done it. It's like priests have said, "Become nuns." Now this is all nonsense. Christ Himself attended the weddings of people, His Mother was married. How can Christianity be against marriage? I can't understand. So many things that Christ has absolutely said "No!" have been done. First and foremost thing which I see very clearly is that He said, "Have nothing to do with the spirits, with the dead." But you put all your dead in the church, just imagine, walk over them. I don't know they are not thinking about it, that don't put these dead bodies there. They might be hovering. In the same way the essence of Hindu philosophy you can call - Dante here we have, say - but Indian philosophy is that in everybody resides the Atma, the Spirit. Now how can you have castes? Like you are a born Brahmin and all, how can you be born if everybody has the same? You just tell Me. It's such a contradiction. But nobody reads anything. You see, they just depend on a Brahmin, pay some money, call him for the wedding, finished. The only advantage we have in that country is that there is no organization that runs it, thanks God. There are some and one of them is now trying to compete with your Pope. He is trying to make a big umbrella jaded with diamonds, such a big umbrella of gold, can you imagine? If it falls on him, that would be the answer, useless thing as he is. Other people's money, you know. Very nice parasites. All of them are parasites, one and all. They are not religious people. They have nothing to do with God. Depending on other people's earnings, they are beggars. How can they be higher than you? They call themselves Brahmins. And they do... that's why they are vegetarians you see, such gall and they are the greatest butchers ever born. Now the government has taken over our most of the temples because they used to butcher women in these temples. In Kashi or what you call Benares there was a big case of a lady and they did it to many ladies. But this lady was wearing all the ornaments. They keep all dark because they say, "There should be dark, you see, because the God doesn't like light," all kinds of their own theories. And they would take ladies inside and there was a trap door and the ladies used to slip down, and they would kill the women, take out their ornaments and in the crowd people would think that the woman is lost, you see. They don't know where she is gone. And like that one lady was lost and they, now government has taken over. So many temples like that. Even Shirdi Sainath who was a very great realized soul, even there, there was a murder. They are murderous people. We have one in Pandharpur, a very big, very well known temple of Pandharinath, is Pandhurangas, is very famous, is a vibrating deity, no doubt. But these horrible people, they take the heads of the devotees and just break them, just like coconuts. And these people, these devotees go all the way walking, for miles together, and these horrible Brahmins sitting down there, doing all this job and living on the wishes of these ... I mean on the money of these poor devotees. Russia I went to. They said the same thing. They said, "These parasites,.. how can they be anything near goodness? How can they be?" So they don't believe in God. But I saw the parasites there also. They are all parasites, in the name of God and all these funny ideas. Now tell Me, in Greenland they haven't seen even a one green leaf. Are they supposed to starve if they became vegetarians? They say that by becoming vegetarian you become non-aggressive. All right, if you are an aggressive person take to vegetarianism, is different. That gives a balance. But Indians should eat something; they are absolutely slavish people. If they see an English man, they'll immediately fall at their feet, even today. After three hundred years. Only after coming here they have become like that. But if you go to India then you will know how they treat an English man. They are still afraid that they may start to rule us. Depends on to what sort of a temperament you have got. I mean, supposing you have a liver trouble, then best thing is to take to vegetarianism but if you have some other trouble then you take to something else, isn't it? It is not, it's one prescription for everyone. Cannot be. Everybody has a different temperament. Question: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: No, that's a very big misnomer also. Prana is what? You must understand. Prana is the right hand side power; right hand side power is the Prana, all right? And the left hand side power is the Mana Shakti and the center is the one through which the Kundalini rises. So that is the divine power in the center. So the prana is only the right hand side. This is also used, going on. That prana is important. Now prana is, because it gives you the power of action, and for power of action, I think you better take to protein food. I mean, if you have to have this [ INAUDIBLE], I mean medically, use them. It's all a jumble going on [unclear] mumble jumble as you call it, because it's such a realm that nobody knows much. And if you want to exploit people, best thing is to give something and tell them, "Do this." Like some people came to Me, told Me that they joined some group and they were trying to learn flying, all right? So they were said that "You have to pay three thousand pounds." They went to Switzerland, paid three thousand pounds. One of them is here who paid three thousand pounds to learn flying. They said, "Your weight is too much. You have to reduce." For flying, you know, you have to reduce your weight. So in that three thousand pounds, the food they gave them was first of all they boiled some potatoes. Now, water of that boiled potatoes was given to them for three days. Then for three days they were given the rind of the potatoes. And then the seventh day they were given some potatoes. They became absolutely dead people, do you know? Imagine, the people from the West eat well, they need food to eat and they were made absolutely dead. They said, "This is just to make you fly," you see? And they did it. They were sick and they were all possessed. They ended up as, most of them are lunatics or epileptic and I have cured them, so many epileptic people. These are all the tricks of the trade. You ask Me, I'll tell you. [The fun?] Heh?! Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Spirits I think, I don't know what. But spirits I should say the way they are. There was a lady who came to Me, I mean so many of them have now come to Me. I mean they all came after going to all various places. That's My faith, I should say. They read all the books of the world, they go around the whole nonsense, all the shopping centers they go to and ultimately in the corner, you see, they come to the temple. That's what I feel about it. And there was a lady, she came to Me. She is now all right and she's, she's very good. But she used to go into a funny sort of an epileptic fit. For three hours all her body used to become stiff like this, all her neck and everything like that. But before Me she used to be for about an hour at least. Now she's absolutely cured. But the last one was a gentleman who had become... who came to Me, but he was so badly off that when he went away from Me also, you could not do much about him because we have no proper place to do it, you see, because these people jump, see Me. One of them jumped twenty feet like that, straight off, you see. They just took My name and he jumped twenty feet, like that. Some people go in to contortions, horrible things, you know. And everybody started getting angry with us in that area that "What sort of an ashram is this and what these people are doing?" Now this gentleman specially, he came to Me and we didn't know what to do because he came and he said, "Woh, woh!" like that. And we said, "Now, better go," because I said, "I cannot cure you here. We'll have to find out some place for you where we can cure you." The fellow went home and he got into the same sort of thing, and he was admitted in the hospital and they came and told Me that for seven days he was in... What? How many days? Seven. Seven days he was in coma. And then I, of course, I worked out his Kundalini all the way. And he was there the other day. He came back from the hospital. He was walking a lot. Absolutely he had became stiff. All kinds of things are happening. The other day somebody met Me. He had an Agnya, this center portion, all coming out like that and pulsating, horrible. I said, "Where did you go?" He said, "I went to somebody in Glasgow," and I don't want to take their names because they will file a suit against Me. But this is you people have to understand then. And then he went to New York and he got this nonsense. He said, "I'm getting now crazy. I'm getting mad." And he's a gentleman who's expert on computerization. All kinds of harm they have done to you. I said, "All right, if you are smugglers, have money. You are cheats. All right, take money." But why spoil their Kundalini? Just think of a Mother who is only for this job, who has come only for this job and She sees Her own children being ruined like this. How She must be feeling. And this is what they have done to you, by giving you ideas, for this, that. Don't take any ideas from these people. First of all, know yourself. Then you will know what is correct and what is incorrect. They have no love for you, nothing. They are just befooling you. All sorts of ideas they throw in the air, all befooling. They come to Me, I find they have no powers, nothing they are manifesting, they don't know anything, they don't know chakras, they don't feel anything. Nothing, and the poor things, most of them can't even look at Me. They start shaking before Me. But this is so, you see, just like lunatics. Lunatics always shake before Me. But I must tell you a very interesting story about Brahmins because I told you this. In Pune we had a program and they arranged it in a place which was owned by Brahmins. And they didn't know I was not a Brahmin. I am a born, I mean, so-called I'm a Christian in the sense that My father had baptized Me. I took My birth in Christianity, because I felt that there is too much fanaticism. So they might accept Me because I am a Christian. But Christians have denied Me. Christians in India are not My disciples; they are Muslims and Hindus. Christians do not want to see My face. They think that I have something wrong with Me, and that's why I took My birth as a Christian. So these people said that "She is not a Brahmin. So we cannot have Her program here." But it was announced in the paper so the organizers, they said that "But we have announced it in the papers, and everybody will say that 'You are Brahminic people and you have done this.'" So they were frightened of that. They said, "No, no, no, no, they will have the program." And they never told Me all these things, you see, and I was sitting and there was a big crowd sitting down and some people sitting on the gallery. Suddenly, I said, "Among you who thinks that he is a Brahmin?" So four, five came forward you see, like this, like big Romans. I said, "Please sit down". I said, "You think you are Brahmins?" They said, "Yes." I said, "All, put your hands towards Me, [unclear] like this." So I said, "Why are you shaking?" They said, "Mother, because You are Shakti." I said, "If I am a Shakti and you are shaking because of that then the rest are not shaking, why are you shaking?" They said, "See, these are shaking." I said, "Go and ask them from where they have come." They all had come from lunatic asylum. I said, "In the same way you are. Now you see relatively who they are and who you are, thinking like that, that 'We are the chosen ones and Brahmins,' all falsehood." It's all falsehood. They live with falsehood. By saying that I am the Queen of England I don't become, do I? In the same way, you cannot just claim something without getting it. Any other questions? One more. Question: [unclear] Shri Mataji: There is no organization, My child... But, yes... How? How? You see what I said is to put your hands towards Me, all right? No, I'll tell you how it works out. Interlocutor: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Sahaja Yoga has been, has been the working of the Divine, in all our evolutions. That's how we have reached here, you see, that is spontaneously we have been growing to human stage. But today it has become a Maha yoga. It's the Maha, the greatest, where you meet the Divine. You are made for that. But on this we have small, little [cup] books. Booklets have you brought? They have some small little booklets. We have also big books. You can take them, read them, and understand. It's like this, that supposing again this room is black, I mean, there's no light in this room. So you want to put on the light. So I have to just tell you that there is a switch, you just put on, all right? Or else I will start the whole theory about electricity, all the history and how electricity was created from Bristol, how it was brought here and everything, all the headaches, and then I will put on the light. By that time you will run away. So it's better is that you have the light, all right? You have the light and then you will see everything, because as I told you, the knowledge is fast. You will enjoy it. But first have the light. Without the light you cannot see. So first have the light. Light is the most important thing. You must be enlightened. Otherwise the rest of it, it's just acrobatics of the brain. All right? We have books here. I am sure they have paper on this and all that but I would suggest even after Realization for some time you settle down because even that gives you, you see, movement. It's proper that we should settle down into our realization. You should get it and master it, absolutely master it. I'll tell you each and every secrets, everything, with love. Let's have it like that. Put both the feet on the ground. This ground we use, Mother Earth, because She sucks most of our problems. We use light because that also sucks our problems. Just put like this. Now you have to close your eyes. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Do not fix your attention on to one point. Leave your attention free. Just leave it free. And sit most comfortably without any strain on any state, like this. Sit comfortably without any strain on any chakra like that. Straight, straight, your sitting should be straight but no strain on the chakras. Just like this, straight, with a relaxed, relaxed [unclear]. It's all right. It is going to work out. Just put your hands like this. It is going to work out for all of you. It has to work out. Just keep your eyes shut. That's important. Try to keep it shut. Even if you feel like opening, just keep it shut for a while. Just keep it shut. That's very important, because the Kundalini doesn't rise above the Agnya if your eyes are opened. It just stops there. It's a very important point. It just stops below the Agnya, because dilatation of the pupils takes place when the Kundalini rises and She thinks twice before rising. Once you start feeling the cool breeze in the hands, it's a very subtle thing. Our attention is gross, and it's a subtle thing. So you have to pay little attention to what's happening on your fingers. Just let your attention be absolutely loose. It will work out. Because as I said, you deserve it. Just keep yourself, yes, sit comfortably. It's better that way, if you like. It's better. [Unclear] Just keep your attention loose. Don't worry about the past or the future. Just keep it loose. It will work out. If there is shaking in your hands very much or in your neck or anywhere in the body, then you can open the eyes for a while till the shaking goes away. If there is not much shaking then it will work out. Keep your hands stretched towards Me. That's how it works, stretched towards Me. Don't hold any finger with the thumb or anything. Just stretch it in a normal way. Please open your eyes. If your eyes are closed, your neck is shaking, keep your eyes opened, all right? You'll feel better. Just watch Me here. It will work out. The rest of you should keep the eyes closed. If it is cool, it's coming in the hand, you can open your eyes, but otherwise. Getting? Keep your eyes shut if you are not getting it. It will work out. Only those who are getting some shaking, I want them. Put your right hand like this, tell him right hand like this, towards, backwards, yes. It will work out. Left is too much frozen and the right is too active. Better. Put [unclear]. We have to forgive. You have to forgive others, all of them. Please forgive. Kundalini is stopping at the Agnya, means you have to forgive. Please forgive. Forgive everyone. Just say, "I forgive." Just say that. That is important, because that's heavy. That gives you a heavy feeling. Just say that "I forgive." Forgiveness is very important. Most of you have liver problem. So put your right hand towards Me and left hand on the liver here. Right hand towards Me like this. And liver is under the right rib area. The right hand towards Me, right hand towards Me and the left hand here. Lower. It will improve because there it is placed. Here, liver is here, from the right hand side, yes, under the rib, please. No, no, right hand towards Me and the left hand under the right rib area. Here. It will work out. Where the rib area ends there is the liver. So on the right side of the rib area; put the left hand, lower than that. Now better? Getting it now? All right? Getting the Cool Breeze? Enjoy yourself. Close your eyes. Enjoy yourself. Got it. It is just like one fruit getting ripened, then another. It's like that. It should be most enjoyable. Now don't think. Just don't think. And if you start thinking, you better open your eyes and watch Me without thinking. It will work out. It's okay. It's good, great. It's going to work out in all of you. How are the vibrations? You should start seeing. The Sahaja Yogis should see the vibrations for the people sitting around. Need not get up. Sitting down only you can see. It's where they are, there, one by one, those who are in front of you. Has got it? Piercing, yes. Just raise it. Raise it and tie it up. Listen here, this lady has, I think, reached it. He's got it. He's got it. Raise. You can get it. That's it. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Still his right heart is the problem. [Unclear Word] tell him to put his left hand on the right heart, yes, little heart. Yes, that's it. Just... Has he, has he been doing some yoga asanas and something? Yes, his heart. Nothing. But what about his father? Now, tell him to tell the father. This is right heart is catching at this time. Just tell him. Tell your father not to worry about it. Just tell him, "I am all right. You take your birth. You take your realization." Just right heart. This one was breathing very heavily. Ha! He's all right. This gentleman has a Vishuddhi problem, I think. Ruth, just see the gentleman sitting near the door. It's all right. He is realized or not? No? Just see on his head. Cooly just get up and see. Cooly Shri Mataji: I can see that. It's working out. You watch here, you just watch here. Which guru did you go to? To no one. To no one whatsoever. Anyone. You have to tell Me. Rajneesh? You can see what has happened? He himself a diabetic patient. What is going to take you to anyone? Can't move out from his places. He is teaching sex now. For that why do you need a guru? He has to come here to learn. Perversions of sex. He'll go to hell and he'll take everyone with him. And he talks of bottomless pit, just imagine, openly. It's written in the Bible that you will go to the bottomless pit. And he said, "I'll take you to bottomless pit" and people are going down. They have to go to bottomless pit. Just think. Madness. That's why you are shaking. It's all right. You'll be all right. I mean, we have cured so many people of Rajneesh. So doesn't matter. It's all false ideas. Mad. Good, great, you found it. He's got it. We had one actor said [Sandor Eles], you see. One day he was so happy, he said, "Mother, can I go outside and laugh?" I said, "Laugh it out." Now you found it. He's got it now. He's got it. He's got it. Are you all right? It's good, great. See his eyes, he is a different person. Just see the joy. Are you? Did you get it, my child? Oh, put your hands like this. We'll work it out, all right? We have to work it out.	null	null	null	Public Program. Bristol(UK), 9 July 1980. Yesterday in Oxford I talked about the new way of seeking among human beings. There was seeking in ancient times also but not to this extent. Thousands and thousands of people all over the world are seeking. They are not satisfied with what they are. They have a feeling that there is something beyond they have to seek. There is some greater meaning to their being. They are not here only to earn, to live and die. This comes out of some unknown self-esteem which dawns upon us and we start thinking, "What are we doing here? Why are we here?" All such questions haunt us and we take to seeking and as soon as this kind of news is out that people are seeking, markets get filled with people who are willing to give you some sort of a solution for your seeking. Everything else can be solved through marketing, maybe, but not your evolution. For example, you have evolved from amoebic stage to this stage without going to any shop, without paying for anything. It is such a spontaneous thing. Though we have taken ourselves absolutely granted, as if human life is made by us, still if you think about it, we find that there is some force which resides within every being that helps to give this evolution to us. By what thinking can we become something higher? Because by not thinking that we became human beings from chimpanzees, we spontaneously became. But very difficult to accept this concept at a human stage, that you become spontaneously what you are because evolution is a living force. It is not a mechanical force. It is a living force and everything that is living acts spontaneously, for example, sprouting of a seed. We cannot even sprout a single seed. Transformation of a flower into a fruit, the growth of the trees, birth of a child - all these things happen to us absolutely spontaneously. First of all we have to tell our mind that by the mind's effort you cannot achieve living process. Hence, you cannot achieve your realization. Now it is very difficult in the West especially where people are thinkers and their mind is too much going very far sometimes to understand this little point, and if possible people might try even to sprout a seed by thinking, by projecting their mind into the seed. But you know for definite that we cannot do it. Moreover, no effort can bring forth human effort. There must be some effort but not human effort. So it is absolutely effortless. You do not have to put on any effort to bring forth the happening of this Self-realization. So we come to the point: what is Self-realization? What is self and what is ...What is Self-realization and what is Self? When I tell you about it you do not have to deny Me, but keep a very open mind like a scientist does. It can be all proved whatever I am saying. If it is proved, then you have to accept this hypothesis. But for that you have to keep your mind absolutely open. There is a force beyond us which does all these things, which brings forth the fruits that we see, which allows the trees to grow, which has made us human beings from amoebic stage. Self is within our heart. It is said so and I say the same thing. It is the reflection of God Almighty. Many people in modern times don't like the word "God" but He exists whether you like it or not. He does exist. Now the time has come for us to prove the existence of God because people talked of God without any proof. They made money in the name of God. They have used His name for such purposes that people are now angry with God. But one can use a good thing for their own purpose if they are not punishable by law. On God everybody has spoken, even Napoleon, Hitler. Everyone had a right to speak about God and His powers. Without knowing anything about God they have taken everything into their hands and have spoken about it. What can you do about it? There is no law that forbids you that you cannot speak about God. This spirit in our heart is the one which is the witness of our being. It is the witness that sees what's happening. In Gita is it called as KshetrAgnya, the one who knows the field, which knows the field. This knower of the field resides in our heart and watches us. He knows each and everything about us and He guides us. But we are not in contact with Him. We do not know Him. That means He is not acting through our central nervous system. For example, we know our eyes, we know our nose, we know our ears because we can feel them. We can see the use of all these organs. But we cannot feel that which is in our heart, you see. That is our absolute. That is the one we have to know. That is the source of joy. We may say that we are very happy to have this, we are unhappy to do this. But this joy that we have has no double thing. It's just sheer joy. It is not happiness and unhappiness. This Spirit exists in our heart. When you all are seeking, actually you are seeking that Spirit. Through that Spirit you know the whole, the primordial being, the macrocosm of which you are just a part. Like the whole body has cells, you are cells in that body. You have to know because you are created for that. As we have created this instrument, it has to be plugged, otherwise it has no meaning. In the same way, unless and until you are plugged to that whole, you have no meaning at all. Whatever you are doing with this instrument without plugging is all a waste. On the contrary you are spoiling this instrument by using it without plugging. In the same way, you are to be connected to the mains. Unless and until you are connected to the mains, your seeking will go on and on and on. It will never end. So I've come here... [Shri Mataji talks to new seekers just arriving] Please come, they have no place. Please give them some chairs. Be comfortable. In Sahaja Yoga, comfort is the first thing you have to seek. Just come forward. It's all right. We have been going on with our seeking, and in our seeking we started with so many things. People, as you know, have been seeking joy in material possessions. Now in affluent countries they are fed up. Then they are seeking joy in power. That is also over. So many people I've heard they say, "Stupid politics." Now they are seeking afterwards with that in some sort of a collective working. That also they get fed up. The seeking is within and not without, is the point. You have to know yourself within and not without. Because whatever is known without is relative; it is not absolute. Unless and until you know yourself, everything that you do is a relative thing. Today I was discussing this with someone who was very much sort of impressed by communism. I have been to Russia only very recently and I told him that whether you take to communism or democracy, both are relative things. They have not been able to achieve any proper results by which people are really joyous. The trouble is all these things we have discovered through our rationality which is limited. We have to be triggered into the space of thoughtless awareness, into collective consciousness. Unless and until we are on that level we cannot understand what is guiding us, what is the force that has created this universe which is guiding every atom and every molecule, which is guiding our heart and looking after our deviation, and our whole constitution is managed by that force because we are not yet connected. But the time has come, and that's why the seeking. At the time of Christ only two thousand years back, not much; you could hardly get twelve fishermen. Can you imagine the plight of talking to fishermen about Kundalini? How could you talk to them about these things? But today there are real seekers born. It's described in the ancient books of Nala Purana, very clearly that once Nala was very much tortured by Kali. Kali is the ruler of modern times because he is the one who creates confusion. That's why in the modern times we are in confusion. So this Nala was so angry with Kali because he had made his wife separated from Nala. So he got hold of Kali and he said, "What do you mean by destroying my life like this? I'm going to destroy you completely!" And then Kali got a fright of his life and he said, "Please forgive me. First you listen to me and my importance, my mahatmya. I'll tell you what I am living for and after that if you want to kill me, I'll accept." He said, "My importance is that when I will rule on this earth, Kaliyuga will come." This is, of course, the end of Kaliyuga has come now. "That time people will be confused, there will be problems, societies will be destroyed, there will be mental problems, people will be very upset. Agreed. All these will be there, but in those days only the great saints who are seeking me in the hills and dales, in the forests, will be born as ordinary householders and ordinary city dwellers and they will seek and they will achieve their Self-realization." He said, "Is it so?" He said, "It's a promise." That is happening today. Thousands and thousands of people are city dwellers are seeking God. They are not in the forest. They are living into day-to-day mundane life, but they are seeking and they are not satisfied. They are not happy with what they are living. These seekers have to be given their realization and they have to achieve that realization. This is their due. I am just like a bank manager cashing your checks - nothing more than that. Only thing I know how to cash it. This is your own property; it's your own earnings; it's your own sincerity with which you have done this and you have to have it. You have to get it. It's your own right to get it. You are born for this. Thousands will be realized later on by you. You will give them realization, no doubt. You are the foundations of that. But in the beginning we have to have people who have been of that caliber. In the beginning we cannot worry about people who are still halfway this and halfway that; superficial people who go to the pub and come here for the program, on the way, because it is free. That kind of people may not get realization. But people of caliber, of sincerity, have to get their realization. It is their due, it is their right, and how can you charge for that? I mean, just think how absurd it is. I just cannot understand. How do you explain charging for a thing like that? It is love. Can you enjoy your love if you have to sell it? What's the price? Price of love is loving, is giving, your wage without any return. It just flows, it emits and it should happen to you because it is your due. Today now I am going to tell you how it is placed within us, how beautifully the Divine has planned within us, among all of us who are actual seekers and saints. This is the sign of saintliness that we believe that material things are not going to give us joy, that belief that we have to find something of the beyond that we cannot be happy without finding that is the sign that we are saints. Now see how you are beautifully made. There are now seven centers within us. One of them, the lowest, lies below the spinal cord. The rest of them, six of them one, two, three, four, five and six they lie within our spinal cord and our brain. These centers are subtle centers inside the spinal cord and they manifest outside, the gross plexuses which are used for physical manifestation. These subtle ones are giving energy to that part, that area of the body and the mind. These are actually the milestones of our evolution, especially the one which is the green one. Here you see is the third center as called as a Nabhi Chakra, means the navel center, is the one that is responsible for our seeking. We start seeking through our Nabhi Chakra. First if you see an amoeba, it seeks food. We seek the food first. That is the first priority and that seeking starts from there. Then this seeking starts transforming as we grow into our evolution till we reach a certain stage where we start seeking Spirit, seeking God. And that stage if it has arrived, the Kundalini which is the residual force there, which is the One who is your Mother, who is waiting for this kind of a occasion where somebody who knows Her can raise Her, can awaken Her, She knows an invitation is sent to Her through your hands. That's why he was saying, "If you sit like this it will be better. It will work faster." Can you put both the feet like this, straight like that and hands like this? Would be better. Yes, like this, it will work much faster. To raise this Kundalini someone who can do it, the job. But the person who raises the Kundalini has to have some sort of authority. And authority doesn't come from the governments or from the churches or from the temples. It comes from God, and such a person has to be a different type of a person, has to be the person who loves, who only loves and doesn't know anything else beyond. A person who is interested in your purse or in your women, how can such a person raise the Kundalini? A person who leads a licentious life and a filthy life and a sickly person who suffers from all kinds of diseases, how can he raise the Kundalini? Because you'll be amazed when the Kundalini rises, your physical problems will disappear. Now cancer can only be cured through Kundalini awakening. We have done it, not only here but also in India. Cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Kundalini rising. I've cured even our President of India, Sanjeeva Reddy, of his cancer. You may write to his secretary and find out, but what I did was nothing but to raise his Kundalini because Kundalini goes into the parasympathetic nervous system and She builds up that force which is all the time flowing through different centers. For example, we can say that we have two left and right sympathetic nervous system manifested by left and right powers. Of one is the left side, is the power of desire, and the right side is the power of creativity. For that we use our physical side also. Now these two powers start acting on the centers like this. If you start using on any center a particular extreme flow of the power, if you start exhausting it, it breaks. When it breaks, the connection with the whole is disconnected, is broken. Because of that it becomes on its own, sort of, goes on, like a person on the motor bike. "What do I care? I can bang at anyone. Who can say anything to me? I'll bang at ten people. What do I care?" Once it starts, that means you are on your own. Once you are on your own you are spreading the malignancy of the society. You have no connection with the whole. You think, "What's wrong? So what?" You do not know that by breaking your relationship with the whole, you are a malignant cell and such people, you know, have to be sent to jail or some place where they settle down and their malignancy is cured. In the same way in the body malignancy sets in, in the being, and the coordinated growth of the body becomes discoordinated. Like a person might get a big nose coming out because the nose says, "Why shouldn't I grow big compared to others?" Or an ear becoming big like that. All this nonsense is nothing but simply cancer and this kind of cancer is settling within us every moment because we do go to extremes. I've seen people if they are fond of tennis then morning till evening they are nothing but tennis racket. If they are fond of football they become footballs. I mean, you don't know they lose everything that is the whole and just become that and they are such crazy ones that they don't know what they are doing. So all these extreme behaviors of human beings can lead them to a, if not to the physical cancer to the social cancer or to the mental cancer. Cancer is nothing but the over-activity of the sympathetic nervous system on both the sides. Now when the activity is too much within us and the whole cannot cope with it, it breaks the connection. When the connection is broken, then you become on your own and how to now connect is the problem. Supposing you are going by car and the petrol is getting exhausted, attention mounts and when the petrol is finished, you are finished; you can't move. In the same way when your energy gets exhausted or is about to exhaust, you get tensions, you get heart attacks, you get diabetes because of this kind of over-activity. For example, diabetes can be easily cured by Sahaja Yoga. If there is only one side activity of the right hand side which is very much in the West you get liver problems, you get diabetes, you get heart attack. It starts with liver, goes up to diabetes. If you don't get diabetes you get heart because you are using too much of right side. Right side is responsible for your future, for your planning, for your creativity. And your body also works that power of action. So when you act what you do that you start using your right side too much and the left side freezes by which your heart comes into action and it just stops. First, it sometimes gives one attack. Then you don't listen, you don't lie down, you don't rest, then second attack. Then the third, it finishes you. It's just to create the balance within you. Another thing, in the heart, as I told you, resides the Spirit. When you go too much - I mean, some people I've seen they do karate and after karate, I don't know, they are all becoming wrestlers. Then they become wrestlers, I don't know. One fellow came to Me, all his backbone like this. I said, "Now, what is this?" He said, "Mother, I have done horse riding, Oh no. Then I have done motor racing, Grand Prix all that, jumping from the parachutes, You see, and all sorts of things." And then, "Why did you do it? What was the need?" And he broke all his bones, I mean, nicely broken back he was, just like this. I said, "Why were you after your life and after your backbone? What is the matter? Why did you do it?" I couldn't understand. He said, "Mother, I wanted to know why am I living and I outlasted all these accidents. So there must be some meaning to my life. That's why I have come to You." I said, "But for that, My child, what was the need to break this backbone of yours?" So I had to first put his backbone right and now he is a realized soul. So this is what happens with human beings: that they do not pay attention to their Spirit which is in the heart. All the attention is outside; you are paying attention to, say, our physical being. For example, people are doing Hatha Yoga. Now Hatha Yoga is - I don't know who has brought this kind of Hatha Yoga to the West. Hatha Yoga, as you know, is Ashthanga. There are eight parts of Hatha Yoga. It used to be done till the age of only twenty-five years in the celibate condition. And the most important is the Ishwara Pranidana, means Self-realization. Ishwara is your Spirit, to achieve your Self-realization first. And the exercises are only meant if you have a problem on these centers. But the way we do it indiscriminately, every sort of exercise we do. It is like taking all the medicines from the medicine chest without finding what's the matter with you. And we say we are Hatha yogis. And such people catch on the heart. You'll be amazed, all the Hatha yogis, we can make out the way they catch their heart. We have three, four realized souls here, who were real Hatha yogis and also karate thing they did. So My problems are like this, that all My children have been up to something and I have to first correct them. Then the Kundalini rises. She does. Actually, She is such a kind Mother, such an affectionate Mother, that She rises again and again, and She cures and controls and balances. You will get your realization, I know, today but again it will go down because you must have done something extreme. Now don't feel guilty. That's another fashion because if I say anything there's another, this center catches on the left hand side, Vishuddhi, because you feel guilty. That's one thing please don't do. That idea of feeling guilty is very wrong, against your Self-realization. Because you must know that God is compassion of love. And what mistakes can you commit? What guilt can you have? He will wash off all your guilts and He will wash off all your problems. He is ocean of compassion. He is not just a drop somewhere. He is the complete ocean which is so powerful and which is going to work it out. So please do not develop this guilt when I am telling you about it. It's all right. Whatever has happened, it has happened. We have to think of today and not of what has happened and what we have been up to. All that would be forgotten once we are there, when we reach a certain point of achievement in life. Like when people climbed over to Mount Everest they forgot all that was they had to face on the way. So you forget all that had gone wrong with you, all that you did wrong to yourself and you just enjoy the achievement of your being. After receiving realization, as he said, the Kundalini passes through your fontanel bone area. This is called as Talu and actually you can feel first the throbbing here. You can feel. You can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini, with your naked eyes, when you try it. You can see the rising of the Kundalini. Of course, some people are such a smooth sailing that you don't see anything. You are just there. But somehow obstruction in the Nabhi or the Swadishthana, is the second center, then you do see Kundalini trying to push, trying to push. You can see very clearly in many people. Then it rises. You can see, with stethoscope you can hear, "Lap tap, lap tap" going on, till it reaches here. Kabira has said that when it reaches to the silent point of triangle, means here, the Anahatha, the sound of the heart, sound like Anahathi, it is called the sound without the percussion, stops. That is the time when you get your realization. That is the time you get connected. That is the time you become subtler. That is the time you become collectively conscious. You become. Now this is a very important word to understand - you become. You do not accept Me on mental level. It is a happening within you. Your own awareness becomes enlightened. For example, I would say this room you come to and it's all dark. When you come inside you see this chair, you think is the room, you think this carpet is the room. But when you put on the light, the whole thing becomes enlightened. The room becomes enlightened. In the same way your awareness becomes enlightened, means your attention becomes enlightened. Your attention is outside. For example, you are paying attention to Me. But if I say, "Pay attention to yourself," you cannot. That's why this happening takes place. Because of this happening, your attention is sucked in. And then that attention becomes enlightened because that attention then enters into the realm of Spirit, the Spirit which is the light. I give an example of our gaslights. It's a very good example because we don't have them in India but here it is easy to give that example. If the gas light has got a little flicker going on, that supposing is the Spirit and the Kundalini is the force of gas that comes in. When that comes close to this flicker, it gets enlightened. In the same way your attention which is not enlightened becomes enlightened. That's how you become collectively conscious. Again I say, become. For example, those who are realized here, they are just like you to look at. Maybe there's more glow on their faces, maybe. But they know where is your Kundalini. They can feel it within themselves. They know what chakras you are catching. You see on the hands. You start feeling all these centers are of the sympathetic. For example, this is first, second third, fourth, fifth, sixth, that's seventh. These seven centers become enlightened. You can feel it on your fingers. If this is catching that means that there's something wrong with your throat. This is the center of Vishuddhi on the right hand side, this physical side. Now here we have Alan's, his uncle got his realization long time back. He is a very great Sahaja yogi today, and he is an archeologist. He got his realization and as usual as the Western mind is, you see, there were about very few of them. So you start doubting whether it is correct or not; let's find out. So when I told him that "You have become," he could not believe. "How can that be? How can that be? I mean, how can I become like that?" So he told Me, "Mother, just now I am feeling here lot of heat in this area." I said, "This is all father's side and this is the throat or this area of bronchus. You ask, telephone to your house, your father must be down with bronchitis." So he telephoned. The mother came in. He said, "How is Dad?" "He is down with bronchitis." Then I said, "All right, you rub it here. Rub it nicely." Because his hands are now vibrating. It's flowing. That's vibratory awareness. I said, "You rub it." Next day, the phone came, "He is all right, suddenly. We don't know what miracle has happened." It is a miracle in such a way that, say, I show you a television set here and supposing you are villagers, you have never seen a television set. And I say, "Now there are lots of pictures over here and sound and music here." You say, "Where?" "It is there. I'll show you just now a magic." And I put on, put it to the mains and you start seeing the television, and say, "Oh God, you are a magician!" In the same way when your instrument starts manifesting, you become a magician. It is all there just to be awakened. It's all just waiting to be awakened. All this magic exists and it is such a wonderful world and then you become collectively conscious. When you become collectively conscious you start feeling others. For example, you are going with somebody, a friend of yours who is not realized, and you are a realized soul. So you ask the other person, "Have you got a headache?" He says, "Yes, why? How do you know?" He says, "I know, I have a little headache." You see, there is an indication comes, little heaviness. All right, he'll be all right. He rubs his head and the fellow feels all right. When you are realized you can raise the Kundalini of others. You can give them realization; all of them are giving realization. But we do not carry a circus with us, you see? Like some people carry a banner or some sort of a big thing or they stand on the streets and sing loudly or they have a name. We do not carry any circus whatsoever. You are absolutely normal because the happening is within and not without. It is not a cheap thing to do. It's a dignifying thing. It's your own dignity; you come up to your dignity to your glory. And you don't do these cheap advertisements. All right, Sahaja Yoga has to spread slowly. It cannot spread just like that, that thousands of them will be there, because we cannot have only members; like we pay five pounds, you become a member. In Sahaja Yoga you cannot. We have no membership, nor organization whatsoever. You pay some money, you become member. "Oh, we have so many thousand members." So what's the use of having such members, foolish things? You are just making fool out of them. Like saying that we'll make you fly, all this kind of falsehood and all that. Are you going to become birds now? Or frogs? Then another sort of things starts, "Let us be vegetarians." This is another madness. It's all right if you don't feel like eating; don't eat. But these things are not important. The way we become vegetarians, you see. Am I going to give realization to chickens? You have to be human beings. And they are the most important thing. In the eyes of God all your big, big palaces are of no value. He doesn't value them. These are stones. All other material possessions you have, He doesn't value them. These are dust of His Feet. But to Him a little bird which is aware is more important, He will protect it. To Him a human being is much more, much more important than a bird. And to Him a realized soul is the thing for which all the angels, all the beauties and all the guidance and all the blessings of God are made. If you are told, "You come and receive your Self-realization," it looks really pretentious, I know. We've been trying all kinds of advertisement. I am a little, I should say, people say, "Mother, You are shy of publicity," whatever you may call it, but I said, "We cannot lose our dignity. Whatever you do, do it with dignity." Everything has to be done with dignity, because we have to achieve our dignity. You are free to choose. There is no compulsion. But somebody said, "I take money because then it compels people to be here." But why compel? It's the main point. "Because if they pay for anything then they want to go through it. Whether, even if their legs are broken, doesn't matter." This is something very different, absolutely different. It is a living process. Only difference is that at the time of Christ, we never had such halls and such seekers. He just talked about God, for that He was crucified. That was to show how human beings were foolish and stupid not to accept the real. But falsehood, hypocrisy, nonsense, is garlanded, is paid for, has all the support of the kings and the queens and all that. And the reality has to grow very slowly. All the saints who were real have been tortured. Nobody understood them. But how they were enamored by horrible people like Rasputin. Even today it is happening. You have to know that first you find out your Self. Then you will know who is real and who is not. The credibility of the whole thing should be this way that those who are following any type of procedure, what have they achieved? Have they manifested anyone of their own power? You see, your guru may be a great. There's one gentleman who told Me that "My guru can remove this glass from here to there, sitting down here." I said, "What is the use of removing this glass from here to there? I don't understand. And why should God do it from here to there?" Or, "He gives me diamonds." I said, "Really? He's an Indian? Then he should solve all our financial problems in India. And why does he give you the diamond? Because you are a rich man. And how much you have given him?" "Of course, I have all the shraddha for him." He gets one diamond and he gives him the money which is worth hundred. Why should God give you diamonds? If He has to give you, He will give you the absolute, because He is Absolute. He'll give you something of the highest value. Of course, as a byproduct, you get your physical being all right, your mental being all right, even your material being all right. Krishna has said, "Yoga kshema mahatmyam." When the Yoga takes place, then the well-being works out, not before. Not before, He didn't say, "Kshema Yoga." He said, "Yoga Kshema mahatmyam." First the Yoga. This is the union. When this takes place, then the well-being works out. How? Because there is the same center I was telling you. Is the center for our well-being and is the principle of Lakshmi. When it is awakened, our well-being is all right, but we do not become so rich that we end up in the casinos. We become sensible, wise people, materially all right, sufficient, satisfied, joyous, loving, understanding and a new race is to be born and a new type of life has to come. You are the seekers of that life. But you must know that you have to cooperate a little bit. [INAUDIBLE] horrid stuff It just encircles your heart and you cannot see anything. And such colossal ones they are but unless and until you get realization you will not know that. There's a boy who has written a book about Me and before that, before he wrote that book, he came one day very much frightened to Me. He said, "Mother, I have a colossal ego. I can't see it. I am stupid. And this colossal ego I don't know how to get rid of it. It makes me stupid. But tell me one thing ..." I said, "What?" "Am I, was I Napoleon in previous lives?" I said, "What makes you think that way?" He said, "Because I am French, because I know how to draw and have such a colossal ego. These three combinations, does it mean that? And if it means don't tell me, otherwise I'll commit suicide." You start seeing all that. Once you start seeing all that, you start correcting it. You have to repair your car by getting out of it. When you are inside it you cannot. That's what happens to you. You become the other, you become the Self and the Kundalini helps you to correct yourself and you correct it and you like to correct it. Because if this sari is not Me, if I am not identified with the sari, if it gets dirty, I want to get it cleaned. I don't feel bad if you tell Me there is something. I feel I want to clean it. That's what happens to you and this is what has to happen. As I said many a times and I say again that I must have given two hundreds lectures in England so far, maybe more, I don't know, I have not yet counted all of them. There are tapes. It tapes every time I speak. It goes on the knowledge. I don't know, I don't read much. I don't have time to read at all. It all comes from here somewhere. But all this knowledge will come to you and you will be amazed how you will be manifesting your powers in so many ways. The greatest power that you will be manifesting will be of love. You'll become such a loving person that all your seriousness will vanish into thin air and you'll be chirping like birds and blossoming like flowers. Please. This is what one has to achieve and get it in one's self. There are all types of people and all types of flowers, but all of them can be blossomed because the blossom time has come. The time has come. That's how it is going to work out. Let us see how it works out within you. Thank you very much. Now I would like you to ask Me some questions. It would be a good thing, because as I told you it is a very vast subject. Maybe something you must be wanting to know which I may not have covered because I have not covered even this bit of the subject. Please ask Me questions. Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Not important, at all, it's not important because, you see, your attention should not be on food. Attention should be if you ask Me, I don't know what I had for My lunch, you see? It should be not there. Because you are vegetarians and all the time worried about vegetarianism, is all wrong, there is not necessarily. It is, I mean, I don't say that you be a glutton. It doesn't mean that either at all. You see, you have to be in the center. Eat as much as required for your body, not overeating. The attention should not be on the food. See, vegetarianism was introduced by Brahmins in India, because first of all in India, the Brahmins were the only ones who knew the Brahma, means the ones who were realized souls. Realized souls were called as Brahmins. As Christian means baptized, you see? But then the Brahmins became a cult. They wouldn't accept that because - I'll tell you the example is Vyasa who has written Gita himself. He was a son, illegitimate son of a fisherwoman but he is a Brahmin because he was a realized soul. So the Brahmin word means the person whose self has been achieved, is the Brahmin. Or the Brahmin jaati, jaati means the aptitude, a temperament, the one who has the temperament to go. You are all Brahmins because you are seekers of Brahma. You are the seekers of the Divine Power. So you are all Brahmins. And then these Brahmins, you see, they, when they wanted to start a cult that a Brahmin can be born to a Brahmin and like a prenatal achievement. Just to establish that they started all this nonsense that you should be a vegetarian, you should... because it's very easy. See if I say you are, "Be a vegetarian," very easy to be a vegetarian, what is difficult in becoming vegetarian? In India especially where, I mean mostly you have to eat vegetables. Nobody eats so much meat as you people eat here because we don't need it. It's very heating. Very little, people eat. So become vegetarians, very easy. So they took these things. Many nonsense they did. You see, like your priests have done it. It's like priests have said, "Become nuns." Now this is all nonsense. Christ Himself attended the weddings of people, His Mother was married. How can Christianity be against marriage? I can't understand. So many things that Christ has absolutely said "No!" have been done. First and foremost thing which I see very clearly is that He said, "Have nothing to do with the spirits, with the dead." But you put all your dead in the church, just imagine, walk over them. I don't know they are not thinking about it, that don't put these dead bodies there. They might be hovering. In the same way the essence of Hindu philosophy you can call - Dante here we have, say - but Indian philosophy is that in everybody resides the Atma, the Spirit. Now how can you have castes? Like you are a born Brahmin and all, how can you be born if everybody has the same? You just tell Me. It's such a contradiction. But nobody reads anything. You see, they just depend on a Brahmin, pay some money, call him for the wedding, finished. The only advantage we have in that country is that there is no organization that runs it, thanks God. There are some and one of them is now trying to compete with your Pope. He is trying to make a big umbrella jaded with diamonds, such a big umbrella of gold, can you imagine? If it falls on him, that would be the answer, useless thing as he is. Other people's money, you know. Very nice parasites. All of them are parasites, one and all. They are not religious people. They have nothing to do with God. Depending on other people's earnings, they are beggars. How can they be higher than you? They call themselves Brahmins. And they do... that's why they are vegetarians you see, such gall and they are the greatest butchers ever born. Now the government has taken over our most of the temples because they used to butcher women in these temples. In Kashi or what you call Benares there was a big case of a lady and they did it to many ladies. But this lady was wearing all the ornaments. They keep all dark because they say, "There should be dark, you see, because the God doesn't like light," all kinds of their own theories. And they would take ladies inside and there was a trap door and the ladies used to slip down, and they would kill the women, take out their ornaments and in the crowd people would think that the woman is lost, you see. They don't know where she is gone. And like that one lady was lost and they, now government has taken over. So many temples like that. Even Shirdi Sainath who was a very great realized soul, even there, there was a murder. They are murderous people. We have one in Pandharpur, a very big, very well known temple of Pandharinath, is Pandhurangas, is very famous, is a vibrating deity, no doubt. But these horrible people, they take the heads of the devotees and just break them, just like coconuts. And these people, these devotees go all the way walking, for miles together, and these horrible Brahmins sitting down there, doing all this job and living on the wishes of these ... I mean on the money of these poor devotees. Russia I went to. They said the same thing. They said, "These parasites,.. how can they be anything near goodness? How can they be?" So they don't believe in God. But I saw the parasites there also. They are all parasites, in the name of God and all these funny ideas. Now tell Me, in Greenland they haven't seen even a one green leaf. Are they supposed to starve if they became vegetarians? They say that by becoming vegetarian you become non-aggressive. All right, if you are an aggressive person take to vegetarianism, is different. That gives a balance. But Indians should eat something; they are absolutely slavish people. If they see an English man, they'll immediately fall at their feet, even today. After three hundred years. Only after coming here they have become like that. But if you go to India then you will know how they treat an English man. They are still afraid that they may start to rule us. Depends on to what sort of a temperament you have got. I mean, supposing you have a liver trouble, then best thing is to take to vegetarianism but if you have some other trouble then you take to something else, isn't it? It is not, it's one prescription for everyone. Cannot be. Everybody has a different temperament. Question: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: No, that's a very big misnomer also. Prana is what? You must understand. Prana is the right hand side power; right hand side power is the Prana, all right? And the left hand side power is the Mana Shakti and the center is the one through which the Kundalini rises. So that is the divine power in the center. So the prana is only the right hand side. This is also used, going on. That prana is important. Now prana is, because it gives you the power of action, and for power of action, I think you better take to protein food. I mean, if you have to have this [ INAUDIBLE], I mean medically, use them. It's all a jumble going on [unclear] mumble jumble as you call it, because it's such a realm that nobody knows much. And if you want to exploit people, best thing is to give something and tell them, "Do this." Like some people came to Me, told Me that they joined some group and they were trying to learn flying, all right? So they were said that "You have to pay three thousand pounds." They went to Switzerland, paid three thousand pounds. One of them is here who paid three thousand pounds to learn flying. They said, "Your weight is too much. You have to reduce." For flying, you know, you have to reduce your weight. So in that three thousand pounds, the food they gave them was first of all they boiled some potatoes. Now, water of that boiled potatoes was given to them for three days. Then for three days they were given the rind of the potatoes. And then the seventh day they were given some potatoes. They became absolutely dead people, do you know? Imagine, the people from the West eat well, they need food to eat and they were made absolutely dead. They said, "This is just to make you fly," you see? And they did it. They were sick and they were all possessed. They ended up as, most of them are lunatics or epileptic and I have cured them, so many epileptic people. These are all the tricks of the trade. You ask Me, I'll tell you. [The fun?] Heh?! Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Spirits I think, I don't know what. But spirits I should say the way they are. There was a lady who came to Me, I mean so many of them have now come to Me. I mean they all came after going to all various places. That's My faith, I should say. They read all the books of the world, they go around the whole nonsense, all the shopping centers they go to and ultimately in the corner, you see, they come to the temple. That's what I feel about it. And there was a lady, she came to Me. She is now all right and she's, she's very good. But she used to go into a funny sort of an epileptic fit. For three hours all her body used to become stiff like this, all her neck and everything like that. But before Me she used to be for about an hour at least. Now she's absolutely cured. But the last one was a gentleman who had become... who came to Me, but he was so badly off that when he went away from Me also, you could not do much about him because we have no proper place to do it, you see, because these people jump, see Me. One of them jumped twenty feet like that, straight off, you see. They just took My name and he jumped twenty feet, like that. Some people go in to contortions, horrible things, you know. And everybody started getting angry with us in that area that "What sort of an ashram is this and what these people are doing?" Now this gentleman specially, he came to Me and we didn't know what to do because he came and he said, "Woh, woh!" like that. And we said, "Now, better go," because I said, "I cannot cure you here. We'll have to find out some place for you where we can cure you." The fellow went home and he got into the same sort of thing, and he was admitted in the hospital and they came and told Me that for seven days he was in... What? How many days? Seven. Seven days he was in coma. And then I, of course, I worked out his Kundalini all the way. And he was there the other day. He came back from the hospital. He was walking a lot. Absolutely he had became stiff. All kinds of things are happening. The other day somebody met Me. He had an Agnya, this center portion, all coming out like that and pulsating, horrible. I said, "Where did you go?" He said, "I went to somebody in Glasgow," and I don't want to take their names because they will file a suit against Me. But this is you people have to understand then. And then he went to New York and he got this nonsense. He said, "I'm getting now crazy. I'm getting mad." And he's a gentleman who's expert on computerization. All kinds of harm they have done to you. I said, "All right, if you are smugglers, have money. You are cheats. All right, take money." But why spoil their Kundalini? Just think of a Mother who is only for this job, who has come only for this job and She sees Her own children being ruined like this. How She must be feeling. And this is what they have done to you, by giving you ideas, for this, that. Don't take any ideas from these people. First of all, know yourself. Then you will know what is correct and what is incorrect. They have no love for you, nothing. They are just befooling you. All sorts of ideas they throw in the air, all befooling. They come to Me, I find they have no powers, nothing they are manifesting, they don't know anything, they don't know chakras, they don't feel anything. Nothing, and the poor things, most of them can't even look at Me. They start shaking before Me. But this is so, you see, just like lunatics. Lunatics always shake before Me. But I must tell you a very interesting story about Brahmins because I told you this. In Pune we had a program and they arranged it in a place which was owned by Brahmins. And they didn't know I was not a Brahmin. I am a born, I mean, so-called I'm a Christian in the sense that My father had baptized Me. I took My birth in Christianity, because I felt that there is too much fanaticism. So they might accept Me because I am a Christian. But Christians have denied Me. Christians in India are not My disciples; they are Muslims and Hindus. Christians do not want to see My face. They think that I have something wrong with Me, and that's why I took My birth as a Christian. So these people said that "She is not a Brahmin. So we cannot have Her program here." But it was announced in the paper so the organizers, they said that "But we have announced it in the papers, and everybody will say that 'You are Brahminic people and you have done this.'" So they were frightened of that. They said, "No, no, no, no, they will have the program." And they never told Me all these things, you see, and I was sitting and there was a big crowd sitting down and some people sitting on the gallery. Suddenly, I said, "Among you who thinks that he is a Brahmin?" So four, five came forward you see, like this, like big Romans. I said, "Please sit down". I said, "You think you are Brahmins?" They said, "Yes." I said, "All, put your hands towards Me, [unclear] like this." So I said, "Why are you shaking?" They said, "Mother, because You are Shakti." I said, "If I am a Shakti and you are shaking because of that then the rest are not shaking, why are you shaking?" They said, "See, these are shaking." I said, "Go and ask them from where they have come." They all had come from lunatic asylum. I said, "In the same way you are. Now you see relatively who they are and who you are, thinking like that, that 'We are the chosen ones and Brahmins,' all falsehood." It's all falsehood. They live with falsehood. By saying that I am the Queen of England I don't become, do I? In the same way, you cannot just claim something without getting it. Any other questions? One more. Question: [unclear] Shri Mataji: There is no organization, My child... But, yes... How? How? You see what I said is to put your hands towards Me, all right? No, I'll tell you how it works out. Interlocutor: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Sahaja Yoga has been, has been the working of the Divine, in all our evolutions. That's how we have reached here, you see, that is spontaneously we have been growing to human stage. But today it has become a Maha yoga. It's the Maha, the greatest, where you meet the Divine. You are made for that. But on this we have small, little [cup] books. Booklets have you brought? They have some small little booklets. We have also big books. You can take them, read them, and understand. It's like this, that supposing again this room is black, I mean, there's no light in this room. So you want to put on the light. So I have to just tell you that there is a switch, you just put on, all right? Or else I will start the whole theory about electricity, all the history and how electricity was created from Bristol, how it was brought here and everything, all the headaches, and then I will put on the light. By that time you will run away. So it's better is that you have the light, all right? You have the light and then you will see everything, because as I told you, the knowledge is fast. You will enjoy it. But first have the light. Without the light you cannot see. So first have the light. Light is the most important thing. You must be enlightened. Otherwise the rest of it, it's just acrobatics of the brain. All right? We have books here. I am sure they have paper on this and all that but I would suggest even after Realization for some time you settle down because even that gives you, you see, movement. It's proper that we should settle down into our realization. You should get it and master it, absolutely master it. I'll tell you each and every secrets, everything, with love. Let's have it like that. Put both the feet on the ground. This ground we use, Mother Earth, because She sucks most of our problems. We use light because that also sucks our problems. Just put like this. Now you have to close your eyes. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Do not fix your attention on to one point. Leave your attention free. Just leave it free. And sit most comfortably without any strain on any state, like this. Sit comfortably without any strain on any chakra like that. Straight, straight, your sitting should be straight but no strain on the chakras. Just like this, straight, with a relaxed, relaxed [unclear]. It's all right. It is going to work out. Just put your hands like this. It is going to work out for all of you. It has to work out. Just keep your eyes shut. That's important. Try to keep it shut. Even if you feel like opening, just keep it shut for a while. Just keep it shut. That's very important, because the Kundalini doesn't rise above the Agnya if your eyes are opened. It just stops there. It's a very important point. It just stops below the Agnya, because dilatation of the pupils takes place when the Kundalini rises and She thinks twice before rising. Once you start feeling the cool breeze in the hands, it's a very subtle thing. Our attention is gross, and it's a subtle thing. So you have to pay little attention to what's happening on your fingers. Just let your attention be absolutely loose. It will work out. Because as I said, you deserve it. Just keep yourself, yes, sit comfortably. It's better that way, if you like. It's better. [Unclear] Just keep your attention loose. Don't worry about the past or the future. Just keep it loose. It will work out. If there is shaking in your hands very much or in your neck or anywhere in the body, then you can open the eyes for a while till the shaking goes away. If there is not much shaking then it will work out. Keep your hands stretched towards Me. That's how it works, stretched towards Me. Don't hold any finger with the thumb or anything. Just stretch it in a normal way. Please open your eyes. If your eyes are closed, your neck is shaking, keep your eyes opened, all right? You'll feel better. Just watch Me here. It will work out. The rest of you should keep the eyes closed. If it is cool, it's coming in the hand, you can open your eyes, but otherwise. Getting? Keep your eyes shut if you are not getting it. It will work out. Only those who are getting some shaking, I want them. Put your right hand like this, tell him right hand like this, towards, backwards, yes. It will work out. Left is too much frozen and the right is too active. Better. Put [unclear]. We have to forgive. You have to forgive others, all of them. Please forgive. Kundalini is stopping at the Agnya, means you have to forgive. Please forgive. Forgive everyone. Just say, "I forgive." Just say that. That is important, because that's heavy. That gives you a heavy feeling. Just say that "I forgive." Forgiveness is very important. Most of you have liver problem. So put your right hand towards Me and left hand on the liver here. Right hand towards Me like this. And liver is under the right rib area. The right hand towards Me, right hand towards Me and the left hand here. Lower. It will improve because there it is placed. Here, liver is here, from the right hand side, yes, under the rib, please. No, no, right hand towards Me and the left hand under the right rib area. Here. It will work out. Where the rib area ends there is the liver. So on the right side of the rib area; put the left hand, lower than that. Now better? Getting it now? All right? Getting the Cool Breeze? Enjoy yourself. Close your eyes. Enjoy yourself. Got it. It is just like one fruit getting ripened, then another. It's like that. It should be most enjoyable. Now don't think. Just don't think. And if you start thinking, you better open your eyes and watch Me without thinking. It will work out. It's okay. It's good, great. It's going to work out in all of you. How are the vibrations? You should start seeing. The Sahaja Yogis should see the vibrations for the people sitting around. Need not get up. Sitting down only you can see. It's where they are, there, one by one, those who are in front of you. Has got it? Piercing, yes. Just raise it. Raise it and tie it up. Listen here, this lady has, I think, reached it. He's got it. He's got it. Raise. You can get it. That's it. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Still his right heart is the problem. [Unclear Word] tell him to put his left hand on the right heart, yes, little heart. Yes, that's it. Just... Has he, has he been doing some yoga asanas and something? Yes, his heart. Nothing. But what about his father? Now, tell him to tell the father. This is right heart is catching at this time. Just tell him. Tell your father not to worry about it. Just tell him, "I am all right. You take your birth. You take your realization." Just right heart. This one was breathing very heavily. Ha! He's all right. This gentleman has a Vishuddhi problem, I think. Ruth, just see the gentleman sitting near the door. It's all right. He is realized or not? No? Just see on his head. Cooly just get up and see. Cooly Shri Mataji: I can see that. It's working out. You watch here, you just watch here. Which guru did you go to? To no one. To no one whatsoever. Anyone. You have to tell Me. Rajneesh? You can see what has happened? He himself a diabetic patient. What is going to take you to anyone? Can't move out from his places. He is teaching sex now. For that why do you need a guru? He has to come here to learn. Perversions of sex. He'll go to hell and he'll take everyone with him. And he talks of bottomless pit, just imagine, openly. It's written in the Bible that you will go to the bottomless pit. And he said, "I'll take you to bottomless pit" and people are going down. They have to go to bottomless pit. Just think. Madness. That's why you are shaking. It's all right. You'll be all right. I mean, we have cured so many people of Rajneesh. So doesn't matter. It's all false ideas. Mad. Good, great, you found it. He's got it. We had one actor said [Sandor Eles], you see. One day he was so happy, he said, "Mother, can I go outside and laugh?" I said, "Laugh it out." Now you found it. He's got it now. He's got it. He's got it. Are you all right? It's good, great. See his eyes, he is a different person. Just see the joy. Are you? Did you get it, my child? Oh, put your hands like this. We'll work it out, all right? We have to work it out.
7/11/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=150	Letter	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	N	N	N	Letter / Poem	English	0	London, 11th July, 1980 To, Sahaja Yogis, Received your cable on the eve of Gura Purnima. The sentiments, which you have expressed in very beautiful words have gone to heart. On the occasion of Guru Purnima day celebrations in London, I explained what is self realization and whether you have got it or not. I will send the tape recording of this speech with some one instead of sending it by post. I suggested, in my earlier letters, to think of "Atma tattwa". Because you are "Atma Swaroop", your mind, intellect and ego, should be enlightened by the "atmajyoti". The light of wisdom shines in the intellect only when Atmajyoti illumines in its fullness. Then, mind emits fragrance of love and ego does great and noble works, the whole of your inner being is fully enlightened. You should be able to rely on the Atma tattwa, accommodate others in it, but first stabilise it. Many of the Sahaja Yogis have cured a number of diseases. They have immense love for me and others. These people could do all this because they have become experts owing to their "Poorva-Sampada". However, there are many intellectuals among us who have not been able to go very far on the strength of their knowledge or wisdom. Sahaja Yoga is lacking in books. We will have to write books in each language. Also, Sahaja Yogis should go to different cities and give lectures. Many people send their poems to me. We should collect all these. Similarly my letters can also be printed. Such publicity is necessary. Let it be known all over the world that Sahaja Yoga is the only way to save the world in Kali-yuga. I am writing a book but it is not useful to all at present. All should think on what I have suggested. Every center may also be accordingly advised. Many blessings from Mother to all Sahaja Yogis. Always remembering youYour mother NIRMALA	null	null	null	London, 11th July, 1980 To, Sahaja Yogis, Received your cable on the eve of Gura Purnima. The sentiments, which you have expressed in very beautiful words have gone to heart. On the occasion of Guru Purnima day celebrations in London, I explained what is self realization and whether you have got it or not. I will send the tape recording of this speech with some one instead of sending it by post. I suggested, in my earlier letters, to think of "Atma tattwa". Because you are "Atma Swaroop", your mind, intellect and ego, should be enlightened by the "atmajyoti". The light of wisdom shines in the intellect only when Atmajyoti illumines in its fullness. Then, mind emits fragrance of love and ego does great and noble works, the whole of your inner being is fully enlightened. You should be able to rely on the Atma tattwa, accommodate others in it, but first stabilise it. Many of the Sahaja Yogis have cured a number of diseases. They have immense love for me and others. These people could do all this because they have become experts owing to their "Poorva-Sampada". However, there are many intellectuals among us who have not been able to go very far on the strength of their knowledge or wisdom. Sahaja Yoga is lacking in books. We will have to write books in each language. Also, Sahaja Yogis should go to different cities and give lectures. Many people send their poems to me. We should collect all these. Similarly my letters can also be printed. Such publicity is necessary. Let it be known all over the world that Sahaja Yoga is the only way to save the world in Kali-yuga. I am writing a book but it is not useful to all at present. All should think on what I have suggested. Every center may also be accordingly advised. Many blessings from Mother to all Sahaja Yogis. Always remembering youYour mother NIRMALA
7/11/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6612	The Plan of God Almighty	England	Plymouth	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	39	Public Program. Plymouth (United Kingdom), 11 July 1980. We do not even think that we have evolved from the stage of amoeba to this stage [UNCLEAR human being]. We also have to think why, why did we become human being from amoeba. What was the reason behind this evolution? It's a tremendous process of thousands of years to evolve human being. Why this instrument of human being was created [UNCLEAR]? Is there any meaning? [UNCLEAR] personality called as a human being or it is just born like all other animals [UNCLEAR to this level evolved] at the most [UNCLEAR]. It's not the end of this [UNCLEAR life]. Is that a purpose [UNCLEAR of life?] We have to think of it. We have been thinking. There has been a big upsurge of searching. People are seeking, they are definitely seeking God all over the world who are seeking and there are in thousands in the villages. This was never so before. They were seekers one or two. At the time of Rama say, there was only one who went to Raja Janaka who was doing the work of [UNCLEAR Kundalini]. His name was Nachiketa (नचिकेत). And with very great difficulty he got his realization after years and years of working. That was the beginning of this [UNCLEAR work]. When the light who gives light you see, it has only one flower. But when the blossom time comes so many flowers have to be transformed into the seed or fruit. It has been said in all our scriptures that you have to be born again. You have to be born again. It has been again and again emphasized that you are to be born again. After all there must be something in it. What is that which is to be born again? For example, it is said that Brahmin is called (द्विजाः) a dwijah – (द्वि: जायते सा द्विजाः) dwihi jayate sa dwijah means the one who is twice-born. And dwija is also a bird. Because it comes out of the mother's womb as an egg and then again it is reborn as a [UNCLEAR bird]. In the same way a Brahmin is also called a dwijah. Brahmin is not a caste or a community. It is a state of personality where a person knows the Brahma, the one who knows The Divine. Brahmin cannot be born. He has to be. And so when we understand this, that you are to be twice-born as Christ has said many times 'know thyself'. That 'knowing thyself' has to be done, has to happen within us and how it happens and why it happens we have to know about it and I'm here to tell you all about it. Now between us we should have one compromise. Otherwise you may be in difficulty. Because I know our human nature is such that as soon as I say something you'll start asking, how are we to believe, why should we believe? [UNCLEAR exactly]. You shouldn't believe Me because I'm telling you something. Any kind of blind faith is of no use to us. Any kind of blindness is of no use, it creates fanaticism. Your eyes are to be opened out. But definitely so far you have not been [UNCLEAR]. For example, you come in this room and it's all dark and you don't know anything about this room. But if I put on the light you can see what is it there. In the same way if you are enlightened you can see for yourself – what you are, what others are and what is [UNCLEAR]. That happening has to take place. It has been told many a times by all these great saints, born anywhere in the whole world, whether they were Chinese, Japanese, Arabs, English, anyone – they said 'you are to be born again'. Now what has God done within us is to place that Power in the triangular bone called as sacrum. Just see, the Greeks realized that it was a sacred bone. That's why they called it as sacrum. Now this bone, it is said that it does not burn when the body burns. That's why they called it a sacred bone. But actually it is sacred because that Power which is going to give you your Self Realization is placed there. Now it has to rise and connect you to your Spirit which resides in your heart. Now when I'm talking to you I want to have one compromise and the compromise is like this – whatever I'm telling you you are not to take it for granted. But you are not to deny it either. You have to have a very scientific outlook about it. And the scientific outlook should be such that whatever I'm saying is just a hypothesis for you. But have a open mind about it. You have to keep a very very open mind and see for yourself how it works out. If it works out well and good. If it does not work out [UNCLEAR]. I've worked very hard. [UNCLEAR] Once it has worked out then you can see for yourself that that's the real thing. It's all right. I'm not going to tell too much about (UNCLEAR its engineering) because it's a headache. I say why say it's a headache. You see it's like this – now this is a room as I said is dark, all right? You should say, Mother how to put the light on. I'll say all right, there's a switch and you put it on and finished. Otherwise I tell you the whole history how the electricity was invented, and how it was brought here and how in Plymouth it was planted and how, who did the whole work and how it was brought here and everything. I mean it has been a headache. That's what I'm saying that to know about the engineering could be a big headache. But still I would like to tell you something which you need not accept blindfoldedly. You have to listen to Me, keep yourself open, see for yourself and then get the experience of Self Realization and then [UNCLEAR]. Because in the West as you know, even our Indians who have come to the west have become all kinds of [UNCLEAR] They have too much of [UNCLEAR] and everything goes on like that in rationality. But this happening takes place beyond rationality. Like I came by car and [UNCLEAR left it behind]. In the same way the rationality is left behind and you shoot off into a breakthrough of your being by which you achieve a state in which you are in the state of thoughtless awareness. This is the first state which is called as(निर्विचार समाधी) Nirvichar Samadhi in Sanskrit language. Samadhi means Enlightened Awareness. First when a thought [UNCLEAR] when the Kundalini rises from its stage it crosses this point, that time, this is called as Agnya Chakra, you see the centers are there, all these subtle centers are inside our spinal cord. When it crosses this Agnya Chakra then you become thoughtlessly aware. You go between the two thoughts, there's a space, you go there [UNCLEAR] exactly [UNCLEAR] and you arrive there. By arriving there you become thoughtlessly aware. Above that when the Kundalini reaches then you [UNCLEAR will be] absolutely peaceful, joyful and from your hands cool breeze of the Holy Ghost [UNCLEAR]. You feel it actually the Chaitanya Lahari described by Shankaracharya. This is the Divine Power which starts flowing, you become a hollow personality and the grace they call it or you may call the [UNCLEAR] that's the station of the spirit you start feeling in the thoughtless awareness. Now I don't know but it sometimes works out in some places so fast and in some places it takes [UNCLEAR time]. For example In Bristol no question. I'm so very happy but in Exeter which is a very beautiful place according to outside description but I broke My hand and My patience and everything and it didn't work out. I don't know why. It has something to do of course with the vibrations of the place, It has also to do with the ... (Shri Mataji asks in Hindi to keep quiet. Kya behenji, ap jara shanti se baithiy. क्या बहेनजी, आप जरा शांती से बैठिये, हां). It has to do, something to do with the vibrations, it has something to do with the caliber of the people, it has something to do how far the seekers are seeking. For example, there was a seeker who must have gone to at least ten gurus and had all kinds of problems. There was another one who has gone to acupuncture and he could not [UNCLEAR achieve]. It is the thing that has to happen. You cannot give a false certificate. It has to work out. When the Kundalini rises through these centers which are the subtle centers [UNCLEAR] are which represent our different selves – our physical self, our mental self, our emotional self, and our Spiritual self – all these selves get integrated. Apart from that these are the different mile stones in the process of our evolution. We start feeling absolutely relaxed and joy. And this power when it starts emitting from you, it's your own power. It's like one light which is enlightened can be enlightened by another enlightened light. It has nothing to oblige, nothing to feel [UNCLEAR thankful]. Only thing is that if My light is enlightened I can enlighten yours. It is all your own. Because sometimes I've seen people feel very very hurt to know that I'm doing the job. I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm just trying to enlighten your light. Supposing there's something wrong with [UNCLEAR wick] or something wrong with your lamp then I've to put it right. Once it is put right your light starts shining and you start seeing it and working it out. Now here we do not have so many people or Sahajayogis, we have only ten or eleven people who are now Realized souls and they know everything about it. They know how to raise the Kundalini, they know how to give realization, they know how to cure. When this integration takes place first thing that happens to you that physically you feel better. Now the other day I said it and I'm telling since long, since 1970 I've been saying that cancer can only be cured through Kundalini awakening. There's no way out. You cannot cure cancer by anything [UNCLEAR else]. It's a fact. I have also cured cancer and many people have been curing cancer but that's not our job, is to cure people. It's no way. You are not people here to heal your [UNCLEAR]. We are here just to give you realisation that you get [UNCLEAR enlightened], that you get all right. As a byproduct of your Kundaini awakening only you get your whole being cleansed. Like supposing we have to have a good programme here we have to clean the [UNCLEAR thing]. If God has to be awakened within you your body is to be cleansed and Kundalini does that. She cleanses your body, she cleanses your mind. Many mental cases, thousands I should say have been so far cured by [UNCLEAR Kundalini awakening]. It's just a byproduct. In your country many people have been cured of very serious type of epilepsy, all kinds of mental problems, even from coma they are cured. But that's not My job. Again, otherwise you'll take Me direct to the lunatic asylum. I'm not interested in curing people, again and again I say, I'm interested in giving you what is your own. Once you've found it then you can cure also. You must learn the technique. Now Yoga means, Yoga means union with the Divine, with the Spirit. Of what? Of your attention. Once the attention becomes one with that Spirit, your attention gets enlightened. It gets enlightened, in the sense that you become collectively conscious. You become, again I say, it's not a lecture, you become. It happens to you. You can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini, the rising of the Kundalini, the breaking of the [UNCLEAR Kundalini]. You can see it and you become – again I say you become. It's actualisation again, that from your hand when you start getting breeze, you can see there, colors we have shone according to the chakras that are there. You start feeling all these centers on your fingers. You can feel your centers, you can feel the centers of others. That's how you become collectively conscious because you can get connected to the whole. The whole, the Primordial Being, the Virat, supposing is this one, then you are a part and parcle, you can say you are a cell, you can say that you are like a microcosm related to the macrocosm. But you are not aware of it. You do not know about it. It's suddenly happens and you start working out your parasympathetic nervous system. I mean I've to tell you something about medical terminology. When you see these two powers within us, one is the left side power which actually comes from the right side, more from the back and the right side, this power is the power of desire. And this power comes round like this and goes down onto the left hand side and the power on the right hand side you see is the power, is the power of action. By this power we think, by this power we plan, by this power we use our body for action. So we have two powers. One is the power of desire which comes from this side, goes down like that and another is the power on the left hand side it starts and comes down like that, is the power of action. So we have these two powers within us inside the spinal cord in a very subtle way which is expressed outside as sympathetic nervous system. Now this sympathetic nervous system comes into play whenever we have an emergency. For example, if you want to run sympathetic nervous system manifests itself and your heart goes on beating faster. But when you stop the heart comes back to its normal condition through the parasympathetic which is in the center. Now this parasympathetic nervous system gives you the balance, it gives you the power for the sympathetic and the body uses it. But this parasympathetic is not under our control. We cannot bring down the heart beats. By Kundalini rising you master the parasympathetic. Apart from that, because you are connected to the whole all the time the power starts flowing through you. It is inexaustible. Supposing you are driving by a car and the car petrol is about to finish and you get into tensions. But supposing there is a way by which all the time the petrol is flowing into the car then there is no question of tension. In the same way when you get connected, when you get connected, it's a very big event for many people. If you get connected with that then you find that all the time this power starts flowing through you. This is what is Kundalini awakening. You must have heard a lot about Kundalini. There are big big books written about it. I was amazed how these people could write about Kundalini when they don't know a word about it. From other books and something read here and something there. By writing or by reading it is not going to [UNCLEAR happen]. By giving lectures it is not going to happen. It's a living process. We have to know, a living process takes place only spontaneously. For example a seed is to be sprouted out. You cannot go and read before that [UNCLEAR seed]. It'll sprout by itself. You cannot pull out a flower and make it into a fruit. It is a spontaneous process. Our evolution itself is a spontaneous process. We see that we do not know how we became human beings from chimpanzee. But human beings cannot convert chimpanzees into human beings by their effort which is only spontaneity of nature as [UNCLEAR they call it]. In the same way if you have to go to a higher level of evolution which is a living process then it has to be absolutely effortless and spontaneous. Only difference is, that at this stage when you are a free personality, you are absolutely free at this time, you know your [UNCLEAR] evolution, you know that you have jumped into new awareness, that your awareness has gone to a new phase; that you actually know. It happens to you as a knowledge within you. But for this it has to happen. Again and again I'm saying Kundalini awakening is a happening and the happening has to be there because supposing I say take your attention inside you cannot take it. You cannot take your attention inside. So something happens; supposing this falls down, immediately your attention will be there. In the same way inside the happening of the Kundalini takes place and your attention is drawn in and it is enlightened. Once it is enlightened you get an enlightened personality. Once you get enlightened then you become the master of your being. You are not to give up anything. You are not to sacrifice anything. It's a happening within. Once it happens your priorities change. Everything changes automatically because you have found out your Absolute, you have found out your meaning and you become a very different person. This is what has to happen to all of you. All the people have to get it as much as possible. This is the last judgement. This is how God is going to judge you. He is not going to put you in a, say, a weighing machine and see how much you weigh. He is going to judge you through raising your Kundalini. And this has started about I should say, ten years back. [UNCLEAR] in the villages, not in the cities because cities you see, city people are seeking money. It's not for people who are just seeking. It is made for the people who are seeking God. And in the villages people are simple, no complications. They get it very fast. For the cities and for the people like that there are many[UNCLEAR courses and things]. The gurus have started to cheat you to take out your money. Here you cannot pay for this. This is a living process. This is the process of God's Love. And even to think that you can pay [UNCLEAR] is a very much different thing. You have to get it, Question is when you get it [UNCLEAR]. It's not the question of your obliging but it is a question of your [UNCLEAR] If you can get it then nothing[UNCLEAR]. And then you should know how to [UNCLEAR]. This the second part of it which you can know in Sahaja Yoga. Everything about you will be told and everything will be explained and now we have centers all over. I've to come here for the first time to Plymouth and we want to start a center here if we really get people of that caliber we can start a center. Already in Exeter we have a center [UNCLEAR name of a yogi] started it and there is a very nice gentleman we met him. Just like that, you see. I mean sometimes you really get such people that you are surprised from where they come [UNCLEAR]. And this gentleman has started another center at, which is that place ... in Bristol, what is the place? in Bristol, in some place in Bristol. So you have to get all these addresses from them. So in Bristol the centre is quite strong already and now in Exeter a new one has started, you can get the address and I hope people will be able to start some center here in Plymouth so that it'll work out contineously and you'll know [UNCLEAR] of which you become a master. The problem is today you are standing at a point which is very precarious. The young people are doubting the old, thinking that these people have been wasting their energy in [UNCLEAR] God. They say it's no God. There’s no God, of nothing that [UNCLEAR]. Communism, they say the same thing because we are seeing that those who were professing religion had nothing in themselves. They had no God within them. You see, they were just accumulating money and building the temples and churches and things like that. That's no God. There's no Reality, nobody is twice-born, nobody is [UNCLEAR Realised]. Once it was understood people have started giving up. But there is [UNCLEAR God]. He does not exist whether you believe him or not. He does not exist if you blindly say, all right, I, you see I believe in God and Mother you know, God helped me today I got my pass. That kind of a God doesn't exist. And then some people say we do not believe in God. Whether you believe him or not He exists. I'm here today to prove within you. I am to prove all the scriptures which are being denied, which are being challenged. Even scientist can come and I can talk to them. I have had many such occasions and we have some scientists among them who have doctorates and all that. One of them has come here. Now we have very highly qualified people who have seen to it that the engineering of God, of Divine law, [UNCLEAR His..] are at work. They are so dynamic, they are so effective that just we have to jump into it and to be one with it. So that we also use those powers. You become the instrument of those powers. Not only the instrument but the maneuvering power is within you and you understand how to manage it. This is what we are seeking all the time; if you are seekers it'll work out. I'm sure. I'll try My level best and I hope many will get Realization today. Thank you very much. May God bless you. Now I would like to have some questions from you if you have any sensible ones. [UNCLEAR] you see, there's no end. [UNCLEAR] They have done no good job anyway. Somebody says something has no meaning. What have they produced is the point. Proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. If somebody says I do this and I do that let's have a look at it. Just one humble request to all the Western mind is, that as soon as I give My lecture somehow it happens, I've seen with people that they start feeling guilty about something (that) must have happened in Vietnam or say what Hitler did and everything, you see they take all the responsibility of all the guilt. For heaven's sake don't have all that nonsense because that stops your Kundalini completely because you should know I'm talking of ocean of Compassion. Ocean of Love and your guilts are nothing, not even specks in front of that ocean. So now don't build up your guilts and things like that and start thinking on those terms. It's a very wrong way of escaping the Reality. Reality is so beautiful. If there is any question, please ask. How cancer is ..you see how cancer.. hmm.. I have definitely and it can be cured. Now why, how cancer sets in in the body, we should know, it's a very simple thing. I've done medicine for the same reason because I have to deal with the doctors you see. The cancer sets in within us because of these centers are like this and the left and the right hand side power as I said are moving like that all the time, all right? And we are taking out the power from this energy supply from these centers that are there. Now supposing due to any reason or irritation or any kind of overuse, overactivity of these two sympathetic nervous systems, one the emotional, another the mental, if it goes on working too hard then somehow this breaks. The connection breaks and the deities that are in, sleep off. Once they sleep off then this starts moving on its own and this starts moving on its own, When they start moving on their own their is no relationship with the growth of this portion of the body with the whole. Like somebody's nose will start growing big or somebody'y ears will start growing big if the cells here become malignant. A person who thinks what's wrong, I'm on my own is malignant. He may be socially malignant, he may be mentally malignant, he may be physically malignant. This kind of cancer is settling within us every moment. Now which is the way to bring it back? Is to give some again Love. This is love. This power is of Love. When you give that power it comes back to its own position and gets connected with the whole. And the power starts flowing in it. and The exaustion is over. That's how you cure. Because you have [UNCLEAR] it. For example, you take any young person, they get into crazes, all right? Now if they get into craze God save the way they become crazy. And in that craze they may [UNCLEAR do everything?] into an imbalance and because of that imbalance the cancer can be put in. I've seen women getting cancer of the breast because they feel so insecured about their husband. They go on worrying, worrying, worrying, they get cancer. Stomach cancer can be caused to people who are very fond of food which could be absolutely without any roughage, soft food or could be with very hot food as we Indians eat, could be with both the things if there is irritation it could be. People, say, are very fond of bath, they take their bath every morning before... you see specially the East who are used to bathing, they can't live without bathing. They can get cancer of the lung. And I've seen that, it happens. Any kind of overactivity of a being, out of proportion, out of balance, not related to the atmosphere, to their mundane life could cause [UNCLEAR cancer]. Even heart attack is nothing but an imbalance. If you are overworking, if you are overthinking, you are thinking too much and planning too much the heart stops to give you a balance. All these things can happen. So this is how diseases can be cured. For example, diabetes. Diabetes is due to overactivity of the right hand side. When a person thinks too much and plans too much the left side is neglected. It gets frozen up and his left side when it gets frozen up he gets into this problem of diabetes. (Shri Mataji to Sahaja Yogis – Sahajayogis should keep little attentive because others start looking at you. You see the attention of the other people is drawn to you people if you try anything they don't understand. So please keep steady. Because they are not realised as yet and we have to give them realisation and their attention is still very wobbly. So be careful. You have to be very very attentive and very silent. If you try anything they immediately start looking at you. And their attention is disturbed. You are at a different level, they are at a different level. So please be careful.) Another question, yes ..I have cured cancer but don't get all the cancer patients here. That I would request. The cancer (gets) cured when the Kundalini rises. I do not cure people at all. But as a byproduct they get cured, as a byproduct. You see the scientists do not want to go beyond rationality. You cannot talk to them. Very difficult, though I had a big lecture in – My lecture is also printed, I spoke to the medical institute in Delhi and I've cured our President of India and he wants Me to start a regular curing stuff for the whole country because we are 800 million people. And the health secretary came to see Me and he said we would like to start it on government level so that we start curing people. But I said I'm not interested in curing people and I don't want to get into government and nonsense, you see because they'll go to the parliament and all that nonsense, I don't believe it. Those people who are seeking God I'm only interested in them. I'm not interested in every Dick, Tom and Harry. Because God can create so many more people. He can create, if He wants He can create more people. What He is interested in, those who are seeking God, who are more aware. For example, if there are so many birds in this world it doesn't matter. Human beings are much more aware than the birds are. So God's interest is in the people who are aware and who want to be more aware. And not into the people who are just seeking release from diseases. What's the use of curing them? they can take another birth. You have to seek God. You have to ask for the (परम) Param, the Absolute. Not for the cure and this and that. It is not to be wasted. Otherwise I'll start going to the hospitals only all the time. I never visit hospital. Once people get realised, if thousands of people get realised, then we can save the whole world. Then it'll be channelised better and all the people will feel very much better because of vibrations, all right. But not this way. You cannot go from the other way round, you see. I'll tell you one thing, If you have to treat a tree which is sick what do you do? you do not start taking out the leaves and treating them. You get to the roots. And from there you rise in the sap and then treat the whole tree, isn't it? In the same way we have to get to the roots. And then treat them from inside. So they do not get sick anymore. That is the way the approach is. Scientists are coming round but they are, they are different type of people. Their styles are different. They gave Me a big file to write down how many people I've cured. I said I don't want to write all that. I've no time for such things. Because it is love. You don't write how many people you have fed, what food you have given them, do you? Or how many cups of tea they have drunk? Do we do that? When people come to us we just love them. We don't write that. It's absurd. They cannot understand. It's all mercenary. There's no heart in it. They can't understand love, can they? They can't understand why I do it so free. They are different type of people. I do it because I love. How do you explain them then? As soon as I'll tell the doctors that you don't have to charge a single pai for this cure they will get after My life I tell you. If I do that in America they'll arrest Me. Yes. If anybody does it free of charging he’ll be arrested in America. You've to be a registered doctor. If Christ comes and heals some people in America He'll be the first to be put in the jail. They'll go to the churches and pray to Him and put Him in the jail. That's what it is. That absurd! The whole thing is that absurd, isn't it? Any question? You are all silent inside. You can't think of a question. Kundalini has crossed the Agnya. So you can't think even what to [UNCLEAR] All right, and close your eyes. You are just there, close your eyes. Just close your eyes, just put your hands like this. I'll tell you why the hands and why the feet. But just now don't allow your mind to sit on your head. Just now please just do, just simple thing like that.... [UNCLEAR] liver .. Why don't you put your hands like that? Please put your hands like that. What is there? You see he’s putting his hands like this, why can't you take out your shoes?.. Is it? So then he should. Because I'll cure him. Oh, that's simple. I'll cure you, all right My child? Take out his shoes. I'll cure you. All right, I'm sorry. That's good. Take out your shoes. It's all right. I'll cure you. That's nothing. That I'll cure. All right? Did you break your hand? Paralysed? All right. Take out your shoes. Please put your hands like that. (आंख बंद कर बेटे) Aankh band kar bete (means Close your eyes). Please close your eyes, just close your eyes. You have to get it. This is your own power, you have to get it. This is your very own. Now close your eyes. You have to forgive others, that's very important. You have to forgive and relax your face, you see ....	null	null	null	Public Program. Plymouth (United Kingdom), 11 July 1980. We do not even think that we have evolved from the stage of amoeba to this stage [UNCLEAR human being]. We also have to think why, why did we become human being from amoeba. What was the reason behind this evolution? It's a tremendous process of thousands of years to evolve human being. Why this instrument of human being was created [UNCLEAR]? Is there any meaning? [UNCLEAR] personality called as a human being or it is just born like all other animals [UNCLEAR to this level evolved] at the most [UNCLEAR]. It's not the end of this [UNCLEAR life]. Is that a purpose [UNCLEAR of life?] We have to think of it. We have been thinking. There has been a big upsurge of searching. People are seeking, they are definitely seeking God all over the world who are seeking and there are in thousands in the villages. This was never so before. They were seekers one or two. At the time of Rama say, there was only one who went to Raja Janaka who was doing the work of [UNCLEAR Kundalini]. His name was Nachiketa (नचिकेत). And with very great difficulty he got his realization after years and years of working. That was the beginning of this [UNCLEAR work]. When the light who gives light you see, it has only one flower. But when the blossom time comes so many flowers have to be transformed into the seed or fruit. It has been said in all our scriptures that you have to be born again. You have to be born again. It has been again and again emphasized that you are to be born again. After all there must be something in it. What is that which is to be born again? For example, it is said that Brahmin is called (द्विजाः) a dwijah – (द्वि: जायते सा द्विजाः) dwihi jayate sa dwijah means the one who is twice-born. And dwija is also a bird. Because it comes out of the mother's womb as an egg and then again it is reborn as a [UNCLEAR bird]. In the same way a Brahmin is also called a dwijah. Brahmin is not a caste or a community. It is a state of personality where a person knows the Brahma, the one who knows The Divine. Brahmin cannot be born. He has to be. And so when we understand this, that you are to be twice-born as Christ has said many times 'know thyself'. That 'knowing thyself' has to be done, has to happen within us and how it happens and why it happens we have to know about it and I'm here to tell you all about it. Now between us we should have one compromise. Otherwise you may be in difficulty. Because I know our human nature is such that as soon as I say something you'll start asking, how are we to believe, why should we believe? [UNCLEAR exactly]. You shouldn't believe Me because I'm telling you something. Any kind of blind faith is of no use to us. Any kind of blindness is of no use, it creates fanaticism. Your eyes are to be opened out. But definitely so far you have not been [UNCLEAR]. For example, you come in this room and it's all dark and you don't know anything about this room. But if I put on the light you can see what is it there. In the same way if you are enlightened you can see for yourself – what you are, what others are and what is [UNCLEAR]. That happening has to take place. It has been told many a times by all these great saints, born anywhere in the whole world, whether they were Chinese, Japanese, Arabs, English, anyone – they said 'you are to be born again'. Now what has God done within us is to place that Power in the triangular bone called as sacrum. Just see, the Greeks realized that it was a sacred bone. That's why they called it as sacrum. Now this bone, it is said that it does not burn when the body burns. That's why they called it a sacred bone. But actually it is sacred because that Power which is going to give you your Self Realization is placed there. Now it has to rise and connect you to your Spirit which resides in your heart. Now when I'm talking to you I want to have one compromise and the compromise is like this – whatever I'm telling you you are not to take it for granted. But you are not to deny it either. You have to have a very scientific outlook about it. And the scientific outlook should be such that whatever I'm saying is just a hypothesis for you. But have a open mind about it. You have to keep a very very open mind and see for yourself how it works out. If it works out well and good. If it does not work out [UNCLEAR]. I've worked very hard. [UNCLEAR] Once it has worked out then you can see for yourself that that's the real thing. It's all right. I'm not going to tell too much about (UNCLEAR its engineering) because it's a headache. I say why say it's a headache. You see it's like this – now this is a room as I said is dark, all right? You should say, Mother how to put the light on. I'll say all right, there's a switch and you put it on and finished. Otherwise I tell you the whole history how the electricity was invented, and how it was brought here and how in Plymouth it was planted and how, who did the whole work and how it was brought here and everything. I mean it has been a headache. That's what I'm saying that to know about the engineering could be a big headache. But still I would like to tell you something which you need not accept blindfoldedly. You have to listen to Me, keep yourself open, see for yourself and then get the experience of Self Realization and then [UNCLEAR]. Because in the West as you know, even our Indians who have come to the west have become all kinds of [UNCLEAR] They have too much of [UNCLEAR] and everything goes on like that in rationality. But this happening takes place beyond rationality. Like I came by car and [UNCLEAR left it behind]. In the same way the rationality is left behind and you shoot off into a breakthrough of your being by which you achieve a state in which you are in the state of thoughtless awareness. This is the first state which is called as(निर्विचार समाधी) Nirvichar Samadhi in Sanskrit language. Samadhi means Enlightened Awareness. First when a thought [UNCLEAR] when the Kundalini rises from its stage it crosses this point, that time, this is called as Agnya Chakra, you see the centers are there, all these subtle centers are inside our spinal cord. When it crosses this Agnya Chakra then you become thoughtlessly aware. You go between the two thoughts, there's a space, you go there [UNCLEAR] exactly [UNCLEAR] and you arrive there. By arriving there you become thoughtlessly aware. Above that when the Kundalini reaches then you [UNCLEAR will be] absolutely peaceful, joyful and from your hands cool breeze of the Holy Ghost [UNCLEAR]. You feel it actually the Chaitanya Lahari described by Shankaracharya. This is the Divine Power which starts flowing, you become a hollow personality and the grace they call it or you may call the [UNCLEAR] that's the station of the spirit you start feeling in the thoughtless awareness. Now I don't know but it sometimes works out in some places so fast and in some places it takes [UNCLEAR time]. For example In Bristol no question. I'm so very happy but in Exeter which is a very beautiful place according to outside description but I broke My hand and My patience and everything and it didn't work out. I don't know why. It has something to do of course with the vibrations of the place, It has also to do with the ... (Shri Mataji asks in Hindi to keep quiet. Kya behenji, ap jara shanti se baithiy. क्या बहेनजी, आप जरा शांती से बैठिये, हां). It has to do, something to do with the vibrations, it has something to do with the caliber of the people, it has something to do how far the seekers are seeking. For example, there was a seeker who must have gone to at least ten gurus and had all kinds of problems. There was another one who has gone to acupuncture and he could not [UNCLEAR achieve]. It is the thing that has to happen. You cannot give a false certificate. It has to work out. When the Kundalini rises through these centers which are the subtle centers [UNCLEAR] are which represent our different selves – our physical self, our mental self, our emotional self, and our Spiritual self – all these selves get integrated. Apart from that these are the different mile stones in the process of our evolution. We start feeling absolutely relaxed and joy. And this power when it starts emitting from you, it's your own power. It's like one light which is enlightened can be enlightened by another enlightened light. It has nothing to oblige, nothing to feel [UNCLEAR thankful]. Only thing is that if My light is enlightened I can enlighten yours. It is all your own. Because sometimes I've seen people feel very very hurt to know that I'm doing the job. I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm just trying to enlighten your light. Supposing there's something wrong with [UNCLEAR wick] or something wrong with your lamp then I've to put it right. Once it is put right your light starts shining and you start seeing it and working it out. Now here we do not have so many people or Sahajayogis, we have only ten or eleven people who are now Realized souls and they know everything about it. They know how to raise the Kundalini, they know how to give realization, they know how to cure. When this integration takes place first thing that happens to you that physically you feel better. Now the other day I said it and I'm telling since long, since 1970 I've been saying that cancer can only be cured through Kundalini awakening. There's no way out. You cannot cure cancer by anything [UNCLEAR else]. It's a fact. I have also cured cancer and many people have been curing cancer but that's not our job, is to cure people. It's no way. You are not people here to heal your [UNCLEAR]. We are here just to give you realisation that you get [UNCLEAR enlightened], that you get all right. As a byproduct of your Kundaini awakening only you get your whole being cleansed. Like supposing we have to have a good programme here we have to clean the [UNCLEAR thing]. If God has to be awakened within you your body is to be cleansed and Kundalini does that. She cleanses your body, she cleanses your mind. Many mental cases, thousands I should say have been so far cured by [UNCLEAR Kundalini awakening]. It's just a byproduct. In your country many people have been cured of very serious type of epilepsy, all kinds of mental problems, even from coma they are cured. But that's not My job. Again, otherwise you'll take Me direct to the lunatic asylum. I'm not interested in curing people, again and again I say, I'm interested in giving you what is your own. Once you've found it then you can cure also. You must learn the technique. Now Yoga means, Yoga means union with the Divine, with the Spirit. Of what? Of your attention. Once the attention becomes one with that Spirit, your attention gets enlightened. It gets enlightened, in the sense that you become collectively conscious. You become, again I say, it's not a lecture, you become. It happens to you. You can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini, the rising of the Kundalini, the breaking of the [UNCLEAR Kundalini]. You can see it and you become – again I say you become. It's actualisation again, that from your hand when you start getting breeze, you can see there, colors we have shone according to the chakras that are there. You start feeling all these centers on your fingers. You can feel your centers, you can feel the centers of others. That's how you become collectively conscious because you can get connected to the whole. The whole, the Primordial Being, the Virat, supposing is this one, then you are a part and parcle, you can say you are a cell, you can say that you are like a microcosm related to the macrocosm. But you are not aware of it. You do not know about it. It's suddenly happens and you start working out your parasympathetic nervous system. I mean I've to tell you something about medical terminology. When you see these two powers within us, one is the left side power which actually comes from the right side, more from the back and the right side, this power is the power of desire. And this power comes round like this and goes down onto the left hand side and the power on the right hand side you see is the power, is the power of action. By this power we think, by this power we plan, by this power we use our body for action. So we have two powers. One is the power of desire which comes from this side, goes down like that and another is the power on the left hand side it starts and comes down like that, is the power of action. So we have these two powers within us inside the spinal cord in a very subtle way which is expressed outside as sympathetic nervous system. Now this sympathetic nervous system comes into play whenever we have an emergency. For example, if you want to run sympathetic nervous system manifests itself and your heart goes on beating faster. But when you stop the heart comes back to its normal condition through the parasympathetic which is in the center. Now this parasympathetic nervous system gives you the balance, it gives you the power for the sympathetic and the body uses it. But this parasympathetic is not under our control. We cannot bring down the heart beats. By Kundalini rising you master the parasympathetic. Apart from that, because you are connected to the whole all the time the power starts flowing through you. It is inexaustible. Supposing you are driving by a car and the car petrol is about to finish and you get into tensions. But supposing there is a way by which all the time the petrol is flowing into the car then there is no question of tension. In the same way when you get connected, when you get connected, it's a very big event for many people. If you get connected with that then you find that all the time this power starts flowing through you. This is what is Kundalini awakening. You must have heard a lot about Kundalini. There are big big books written about it. I was amazed how these people could write about Kundalini when they don't know a word about it. From other books and something read here and something there. By writing or by reading it is not going to [UNCLEAR happen]. By giving lectures it is not going to happen. It's a living process. We have to know, a living process takes place only spontaneously. For example a seed is to be sprouted out. You cannot go and read before that [UNCLEAR seed]. It'll sprout by itself. You cannot pull out a flower and make it into a fruit. It is a spontaneous process. Our evolution itself is a spontaneous process. We see that we do not know how we became human beings from chimpanzee. But human beings cannot convert chimpanzees into human beings by their effort which is only spontaneity of nature as [UNCLEAR they call it]. In the same way if you have to go to a higher level of evolution which is a living process then it has to be absolutely effortless and spontaneous. Only difference is, that at this stage when you are a free personality, you are absolutely free at this time, you know your [UNCLEAR] evolution, you know that you have jumped into new awareness, that your awareness has gone to a new phase; that you actually know. It happens to you as a knowledge within you. But for this it has to happen. Again and again I'm saying Kundalini awakening is a happening and the happening has to be there because supposing I say take your attention inside you cannot take it. You cannot take your attention inside. So something happens; supposing this falls down, immediately your attention will be there. In the same way inside the happening of the Kundalini takes place and your attention is drawn in and it is enlightened. Once it is enlightened you get an enlightened personality. Once you get enlightened then you become the master of your being. You are not to give up anything. You are not to sacrifice anything. It's a happening within. Once it happens your priorities change. Everything changes automatically because you have found out your Absolute, you have found out your meaning and you become a very different person. This is what has to happen to all of you. All the people have to get it as much as possible. This is the last judgement. This is how God is going to judge you. He is not going to put you in a, say, a weighing machine and see how much you weigh. He is going to judge you through raising your Kundalini. And this has started about I should say, ten years back. [UNCLEAR] in the villages, not in the cities because cities you see, city people are seeking money. It's not for people who are just seeking. It is made for the people who are seeking God. And in the villages people are simple, no complications. They get it very fast. For the cities and for the people like that there are many[UNCLEAR courses and things]. The gurus have started to cheat you to take out your money. Here you cannot pay for this. This is a living process. This is the process of God's Love. And even to think that you can pay [UNCLEAR] is a very much different thing. You have to get it, Question is when you get it [UNCLEAR]. It's not the question of your obliging but it is a question of your [UNCLEAR] If you can get it then nothing[UNCLEAR]. And then you should know how to [UNCLEAR]. This the second part of it which you can know in Sahaja Yoga. Everything about you will be told and everything will be explained and now we have centers all over. I've to come here for the first time to Plymouth and we want to start a center here if we really get people of that caliber we can start a center. Already in Exeter we have a center [UNCLEAR name of a yogi] started it and there is a very nice gentleman we met him. Just like that, you see. I mean sometimes you really get such people that you are surprised from where they come [UNCLEAR]. And this gentleman has started another center at, which is that place ... in Bristol, what is the place? in Bristol, in some place in Bristol. So you have to get all these addresses from them. So in Bristol the centre is quite strong already and now in Exeter a new one has started, you can get the address and I hope people will be able to start some center here in Plymouth so that it'll work out contineously and you'll know [UNCLEAR] of which you become a master. The problem is today you are standing at a point which is very precarious. The young people are doubting the old, thinking that these people have been wasting their energy in [UNCLEAR] God. They say it's no God. There’s no God, of nothing that [UNCLEAR]. Communism, they say the same thing because we are seeing that those who were professing religion had nothing in themselves. They had no God within them. You see, they were just accumulating money and building the temples and churches and things like that. That's no God. There's no Reality, nobody is twice-born, nobody is [UNCLEAR Realised]. Once it was understood people have started giving up. But there is [UNCLEAR God]. He does not exist whether you believe him or not. He does not exist if you blindly say, all right, I, you see I believe in God and Mother you know, God helped me today I got my pass. That kind of a God doesn't exist. And then some people say we do not believe in God. Whether you believe him or not He exists. I'm here today to prove within you. I am to prove all the scriptures which are being denied, which are being challenged. Even scientist can come and I can talk to them. I have had many such occasions and we have some scientists among them who have doctorates and all that. One of them has come here. Now we have very highly qualified people who have seen to it that the engineering of God, of Divine law, [UNCLEAR His..] are at work. They are so dynamic, they are so effective that just we have to jump into it and to be one with it. So that we also use those powers. You become the instrument of those powers. Not only the instrument but the maneuvering power is within you and you understand how to manage it. This is what we are seeking all the time; if you are seekers it'll work out. I'm sure. I'll try My level best and I hope many will get Realization today. Thank you very much. May God bless you. Now I would like to have some questions from you if you have any sensible ones. [UNCLEAR] you see, there's no end. [UNCLEAR] They have done no good job anyway. Somebody says something has no meaning. What have they produced is the point. Proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. If somebody says I do this and I do that let's have a look at it. Just one humble request to all the Western mind is, that as soon as I give My lecture somehow it happens, I've seen with people that they start feeling guilty about something (that) must have happened in Vietnam or say what Hitler did and everything, you see they take all the responsibility of all the guilt. For heaven's sake don't have all that nonsense because that stops your Kundalini completely because you should know I'm talking of ocean of Compassion. Ocean of Love and your guilts are nothing, not even specks in front of that ocean. So now don't build up your guilts and things like that and start thinking on those terms. It's a very wrong way of escaping the Reality. Reality is so beautiful. If there is any question, please ask. How cancer is ..you see how cancer.. hmm.. I have definitely and it can be cured. Now why, how cancer sets in in the body, we should know, it's a very simple thing. I've done medicine for the same reason because I have to deal with the doctors you see. The cancer sets in within us because of these centers are like this and the left and the right hand side power as I said are moving like that all the time, all right? And we are taking out the power from this energy supply from these centers that are there. Now supposing due to any reason or irritation or any kind of overuse, overactivity of these two sympathetic nervous systems, one the emotional, another the mental, if it goes on working too hard then somehow this breaks. The connection breaks and the deities that are in, sleep off. Once they sleep off then this starts moving on its own and this starts moving on its own, When they start moving on their own their is no relationship with the growth of this portion of the body with the whole. Like somebody's nose will start growing big or somebody'y ears will start growing big if the cells here become malignant. A person who thinks what's wrong, I'm on my own is malignant. He may be socially malignant, he may be mentally malignant, he may be physically malignant. This kind of cancer is settling within us every moment. Now which is the way to bring it back? Is to give some again Love. This is love. This power is of Love. When you give that power it comes back to its own position and gets connected with the whole. And the power starts flowing in it. and The exaustion is over. That's how you cure. Because you have [UNCLEAR] it. For example, you take any young person, they get into crazes, all right? Now if they get into craze God save the way they become crazy. And in that craze they may [UNCLEAR do everything?] into an imbalance and because of that imbalance the cancer can be put in. I've seen women getting cancer of the breast because they feel so insecured about their husband. They go on worrying, worrying, worrying, they get cancer. Stomach cancer can be caused to people who are very fond of food which could be absolutely without any roughage, soft food or could be with very hot food as we Indians eat, could be with both the things if there is irritation it could be. People, say, are very fond of bath, they take their bath every morning before... you see specially the East who are used to bathing, they can't live without bathing. They can get cancer of the lung. And I've seen that, it happens. Any kind of overactivity of a being, out of proportion, out of balance, not related to the atmosphere, to their mundane life could cause [UNCLEAR cancer]. Even heart attack is nothing but an imbalance. If you are overworking, if you are overthinking, you are thinking too much and planning too much the heart stops to give you a balance. All these things can happen. So this is how diseases can be cured. For example, diabetes. Diabetes is due to overactivity of the right hand side. When a person thinks too much and plans too much the left side is neglected. It gets frozen up and his left side when it gets frozen up he gets into this problem of diabetes. (Shri Mataji to Sahaja Yogis – Sahajayogis should keep little attentive because others start looking at you. You see the attention of the other people is drawn to you people if you try anything they don't understand. So please keep steady. Because they are not realised as yet and we have to give them realisation and their attention is still very wobbly. So be careful. You have to be very very attentive and very silent. If you try anything they immediately start looking at you. And their attention is disturbed. You are at a different level, they are at a different level. So please be careful.) Another question, yes ..I have cured cancer but don't get all the cancer patients here. That I would request. The cancer (gets) cured when the Kundalini rises. I do not cure people at all. But as a byproduct they get cured, as a byproduct. You see the scientists do not want to go beyond rationality. You cannot talk to them. Very difficult, though I had a big lecture in – My lecture is also printed, I spoke to the medical institute in Delhi and I've cured our President of India and he wants Me to start a regular curing stuff for the whole country because we are 800 million people. And the health secretary came to see Me and he said we would like to start it on government level so that we start curing people. But I said I'm not interested in curing people and I don't want to get into government and nonsense, you see because they'll go to the parliament and all that nonsense, I don't believe it. Those people who are seeking God I'm only interested in them. I'm not interested in every Dick, Tom and Harry. Because God can create so many more people. He can create, if He wants He can create more people. What He is interested in, those who are seeking God, who are more aware. For example, if there are so many birds in this world it doesn't matter. Human beings are much more aware than the birds are. So God's interest is in the people who are aware and who want to be more aware. And not into the people who are just seeking release from diseases. What's the use of curing them? they can take another birth. You have to seek God. You have to ask for the (परम) Param, the Absolute. Not for the cure and this and that. It is not to be wasted. Otherwise I'll start going to the hospitals only all the time. I never visit hospital. Once people get realised, if thousands of people get realised, then we can save the whole world. Then it'll be channelised better and all the people will feel very much better because of vibrations, all right. But not this way. You cannot go from the other way round, you see. I'll tell you one thing, If you have to treat a tree which is sick what do you do? you do not start taking out the leaves and treating them. You get to the roots. And from there you rise in the sap and then treat the whole tree, isn't it? In the same way we have to get to the roots. And then treat them from inside. So they do not get sick anymore. That is the way the approach is. Scientists are coming round but they are, they are different type of people. Their styles are different. They gave Me a big file to write down how many people I've cured. I said I don't want to write all that. I've no time for such things. Because it is love. You don't write how many people you have fed, what food you have given them, do you? Or how many cups of tea they have drunk? Do we do that? When people come to us we just love them. We don't write that. It's absurd. They cannot understand. It's all mercenary. There's no heart in it. They can't understand love, can they? They can't understand why I do it so free. They are different type of people. I do it because I love. How do you explain them then? As soon as I'll tell the doctors that you don't have to charge a single pai for this cure they will get after My life I tell you. If I do that in America they'll arrest Me. Yes. If anybody does it free of charging he’ll be arrested in America. You've to be a registered doctor. If Christ comes and heals some people in America He'll be the first to be put in the jail. They'll go to the churches and pray to Him and put Him in the jail. That's what it is. That absurd! The whole thing is that absurd, isn't it? Any question? You are all silent inside. You can't think of a question. Kundalini has crossed the Agnya. So you can't think even what to [UNCLEAR] All right, and close your eyes. You are just there, close your eyes. Just close your eyes, just put your hands like this. I'll tell you why the hands and why the feet. But just now don't allow your mind to sit on your head. Just now please just do, just simple thing like that.... [UNCLEAR] liver .. Why don't you put your hands like that? Please put your hands like that. What is there? You see he’s putting his hands like this, why can't you take out your shoes?.. Is it? So then he should. Because I'll cure him. Oh, that's simple. I'll cure you, all right My child? Take out his shoes. I'll cure you. All right, I'm sorry. That's good. Take out your shoes. It's all right. I'll cure you. That's nothing. That I'll cure. All right? Did you break your hand? Paralysed? All right. Take out your shoes. Please put your hands like that. (आंख बंद कर बेटे) Aankh band kar bete (means Close your eyes). Please close your eyes, just close your eyes. You have to get it. This is your own power, you have to get it. This is your very own. Now close your eyes. You have to forgive others, that's very important. You have to forgive and relax your face, you see ....
7/14/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=3020	Confusion – A Sign Of Modern Times	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	30	“Confusion, A Sign of Modern Times,” Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (GB), 14 July 1980. Today’s days in the modern times we are faced with confusions: that’s a sign of modern times. At the same time the en-masse urge to search the truth is manifesting. It's not only one individual who feels like that, it’s not only eight or ten people who feel like that, but masses and masses and multitudes are feeling you have to search an answer; you have to find out why are you here; you have to know who you are; you have to find out your wholesomeness; you have to find out the whole. There is a big movement in a very subtle way that is moving masses towards this search. But we have no idea, perhaps, as to what is the atmosphere in which we are born, what is the situation, how the whole stage is laid. We have no idea. As we have taken ourselves for granted as human beings, we take everything for granted. We are born human beings through our evolution but we do not even want to think why we were evolved from amoeba to this stage. All the whys we just shut down. Whatever is there we want to see through these eyes, through these ears. Through these sensory organs we want to understand. But still the urge is there to know what is beyond. The atmosphere in which we are born cannot be understood without having the light to see why there is darkness, and darkness of such immensity, which never [before] pervaded this Earth. It was never so much before, never, never before, than it is today. That's why the confusion comes in. And it has an action, it has a reaction in the same way: the more is the urge, the more is the confusion, the more is the darkness. Now this darkness around us is not only of ignorance, as it used to be. In the Vedas or in the scriptures, anywhere, it is written that you have to enlighten yourself, you have to have the light. I used to say the same thing, not to frighten you about it too much. I thought first they'll have the light, then they will be able to see. For three years I did not say anything, a word about this darkness, the source of this darkness, till they themselves started seeing it. I knew they will see. And then I had to start talking about it. We have to understand that satanic forces have been let loose by some horrible Satans, like convicts who are on the run. They are thousands and thousands of entities, controlled by some very sinister, evil people. They call themselves as great people, as maybe gurus or maybe saintly persons, organisers, whatever you may say. They are controlling this satanic force. And we are all surrounded by that satanic force. As soon as we start projecting ourselves into their areas, we get caught up. Let us see how do we project into them and why do we get up into that and what is the remedy for these satanic forces. First we project into that through our subconscious mind, which is being described by many psychologists: they call it psychic powers. It's not only psychic; there are some more things in about. Through our conditionings, through our fears we have a mind of our own. Now mind is to be divided into two. The English [word] mind is different from the Sanskrit [word] manas. Manas is whatever is the superego in you, whatever is condition within you - is manas. And the ego is different. So there is a superego and an ego to a mind; out of which [it’s] the superego, the mind, which starts forming habits. For example, human beings have a capacity to form habits very easily because of superego practices. The one who is using now a chair - say he uses it for ten years - he cannot sit on the ground. So the matter starts sitting on us and we start becoming slave to the matter. When our attention is obsessed by matter, by materialism, and we start projecting ourselves under the domain of materialism, of accepting whatever matter is dominating us…for example, a person is crazy about football. It's all right to like something but we do not know how to demarcate ourselves. We go on projecting into it to such an extent - there is no control - that we become slaves to it; so much so that we start identifying ourselves, our own achievement with that football. We go to such a limit that we completely lose our balance. But psychic powers actually arise from sex habits. Once you start indulging into your sex and its perversions and all those things, you go into lethargy, into your subconscious area, into your collective subconscious. And in the collective subconscious all kinds of filthy people exist: sly, intriguers, frightened, masochists you can call them, that type of people, they are there. They are let loose, so they are there. They capture you. Then you go into all perversions of sex, all sorts of things. You go on asking, “What's wrong? What's wrong?” To keep to subconscious area you take to alcoholism, drugs. It's lethargic. You explain it by saying that, “Those who are very active are aggressive. So we are taking to this kind of life by which we are getting into lethargy.” But when you move too much into it, also, all these horrible people capture you and you get into them and they try all kinds of tricks through you. They become very effective. Now these gurus, they give you mantras and things like that. These are the names of these entities which exist in the dark. You take to those mantras and you go into that. There are so many ways, all these spiritualists and ESPs and all sort of these things going on in this world. The way you can judge them is that they do not talk of the Absolute, they do not talk of the Spirit that rests in you. They will take the name of love but whatever they do is anti-love. They'll talk about your brother dying, father dying, mother dying, “Can you talk to them? If you want, you can have a conversation with them.” All of them are tying you to the subconscious, to that horrifying atmosphere and you are not aware of it, you just accept it. All kinds of these negative forces are let loose. The other side are even more dangerous, is the supraconscious area in our being on the right hand side. In one side you put your emotions, project them. When you project your emotions you can go on to any limit, like I have seen people who are crying and weeping and wailing and reading horrible, very horrible poems like Lord Byron, such people. They just throw you into that subconscious where you feel happy to be miserable. You are happy as a miserable person, you do not want anybody to be happy either; and you want to go on and continuing with that dramatic romantic method by which you think you are a very miserable people and all the world is torturing you and you are a very nice person yourself. In this process you destroy yourself, you destroy your being and you cover your Spirit completely with your subconscious ideas. You enjoy your miseries. Can you imagine! Even if joy stands before you, you will say, “Oh, I don't think I will be happy!” which you are not aware of it, and you just start enjoying! Now the other side [is] when you use your rationality, which comes out of your brain. On one side you use your emotions out of your heart - outward heart, I should say- and the other side you use your brain, your rationality. You start ‘solving’ problems through rationality, but it has no control. You can rationalise even a Mother, you can rationalise wars, you can rationalise everything, every sort of aggression you do. If you ask Russians they will say it is rationalised that they are aggressing Afghanistan. If you ask Americans they say it's rationalised that they are aggressing all the developing countries. Everybody think they are absolutely all right. Spanish people going down and destroying all the civilisations of Argentina, Peru and all these places. Or the English thinking that [if] they don't like somebody so they have a business if they say, “We don't like it," they have a business to say whatever they like, to ill-treat anyone they feel like. They can do it because they don't like it. Or any other such people. So in the developing countries more the subconscious works out, much more and in the developed countries, the supraconscious works out. Both are just the same. Both are in the same darkness. There is no difference; only the colour may be different. One we can say, in the black fumes of the coal and another in the yellow fumes of the benzoin, both are equally suffocating. The other side, the Right Side, is more dangerous because it doesn't show any signs. It's ego. You think it is rational. You start solving problems rationally. Where do you end up? In quarrels, squabbles, fighting, killing, violence. Any organisation that is based on these two things, whatever may be their intentions, good or bad, they end up like this. On one side they go into intrigues, slyness and lethargy. The other side they go into violence. Or also they can change hands. Some lethargic people can be extremely violent, but because they are so lethargic that they take time to react. It's not easy to make lethargic people very violent because they haven’t got so much willpower left in them. The other side, the supraconscious, is so dangerously placed. Now this is managed by many gurus. Of course, as I told you, psychic side is also managed by many gurus who say that through sex you can achieve God. I am not denouncing sex by any chance. What I am saying [is] the moderation of sex, the sanctity of sex, has to be there. On the right hand side, I am not denying rationality, but rationality should be wisdom. If there is no wisdom, rationality can be very dangerous. But the danger comes not from you yourself but more from outside: when you penetrate into that projection you are controlled through your limitations. You can see here the left and right hand side, ego and superego. It's like a balloon and the balloon moves like that, keeps you with you, like this, and another balloon moves like that and both the balloons are pulling you on both the sides. They give you mantras. These mantras are nothing but projections of your rationality, your mind. We call them black magic, in one simple word. Or you can call one as yellow magic, another as black magic, whichever way you like. All these are the same thing. And with this projection, people can kill. Sitting down here, people can kill. They can do whatever they like, sitting down here, and they call it as power. Now the supraconscious area people cover when they are fond of power. When they want to have power. Now they have had, supposing, political powers; but they want to intrigue and what you call espionage people. I mean, imagine these filthy things people do. Imagine. This is politics, supposed to be, espionage and all that. These all filthy things are done by people who want power, more power and more power and more powers. And this power is also ultimately is destroying the whole. One destroys the individual; the other destroys the whole. Hitler now, for example, was nothing but obsessed by these. And he got these powers through his own projections. He started mesmerising people, he gave them wrong ideas, he created a war and the whole world was shaken up. It can happen to anyone. But now people don't want to take his name. They shudder to think what a devil he was. But he became a devil. These powers are around. So those who want to overpower things: now those who want to fly, or those who want to have supra-natural powers, they call them, like you can hold a truck coming. What is the need to hold a truck? You can allow an elephant to pass over your body. I don’t understand what is the need for an elephant to pass over your body. How many elephants do you have in this country? And where will you face such an accident? Such people when they overdo it, they develop these so-called powers of killing others. They will create accidents. They create accidents, they kill people, they do all kinds of things. This is all known to Indians. Those who have read a little about it, they know all these things exist. You are people, you are still naïve. You do not know. Indians, also modern, westernised Indians also don’t know. They think they are all Shakespeare. They don't read anything about their own knowledge. This is what it is. Now what is the antidote for this? The antidote of all this is Divine love. Love can conquer all these devils. If a person has this Divine love within him, if it starts flowing through him, all these things will disappear. That's the only way you can save this world, through Divine love. Only through love you are going to win over all these horrible forces which are let loose, and your confidence will be established in you. This Divine love is all-pervading. The trouble is, human beings are not aware of it. It's the most dynamic force and is the only force that exists. Darkness exists till the light is not there. It has otherwise no existence. It is a myth. In the same way when the light of Divine love starts flowing in you, when you become identified with that Divine love, then all these negative forces drop out. The mantras, so-called mantras, that they are taught to you which are used to invite these horrible entities disappear into thin air and actually the Deities which are to be awakened, they get awakened. The fire that may completely demolish a place becomes a fire in the lamp when you see where to put the fire. This light of Divine love should come to every one of the persons who are seeking truth. This is what we are seeking. This Divine love should flow through you by which you are going to save the whole world. It’s a very dangerous and precarious condition. Those who are realised-souls and real truthful people are hiding themselves in the Himalayas or some sort of caves somewhere in the world. They don’t want to face you because they think you are too dark and your projections are like two horns and as soon as you'll see them, you'll come down like a bull on them. You need tremendous patience and tremendous understanding and courage like a mountain to face all these things. God has made all arrangements within you. You can see yourself [what] has been shown here. I am sure Chaya must have told you about it: that there is a power within us which can give us Self-realisation by which we can achieve that source of Divine love and you become the river of that Divine love; so that you are cleansed completely and that others who are to face you, are also cleansed. Every time I have to repeat about Kundalini and about these things but I am sure you can go through the book and see for yourself what are all these things. But [the] emergency is today that we have to realise that this Divine love has to be brought into the awareness of human beings, into their consciousness, so that they can manoeuvre it and can once for all win over, be victorious over, this dreadful enemy of the whole. May God bless you! Thank you. Douglas? I used to say always that, “How it will work out?” Because it was moving very slowly. Very few people get Realisation in this country specially, and they go up and down and [it’s] difficult to establish them. It’s a fact. But we are establishing slowly, steadily and firmly. And everybody was very much worried that "Mother how are you going to do it in such a big way?" or, “Are the Western people out of your programme?” And I always told them, “It will spark one day.” And I think the first spark I have seen now. I am very happy to tell you about that, that a gentleman who came from Australia, two of them came to India - they got their Realisation - they went back to Australia. They gave Realisation to people. And today I received a letter from an American gentleman who went to Australia who has a big organisation of his own, who got his Realisation and he has written, a very beautiful letter he has written. I wish somebody could read it for you so that you will know how the spark has started. Can you give me my purse as well? How is Jane? Have you got any report about it? My purse. Sahaj Yogini: (Unclear) Shri Mataji: All right. Good. But now you are going there, I would like to warn you [about] one thing: don't talk about other negative forces, all right? Like the Buddhist chanting and all these chantings and all that. Keep it very pure. Thank you. (Somebody hands Mother her purse) I will just go through it. Very sweet of him, just see how much he is working hard. Only two persons have created such a thing in Australia. You used to say that Australians are the convicts who went from here. It's just the other way round now, I think. (Laughing) They are proving to be such beautiful people now. Somebody who can read very clearly, who? Can you put it up? Sahaj Yogi: “Dear Beloved Mataji, Please excuse the delay in writing you as I have been away in Australia with the message of love and understanding, with the work of polarity and Jin Shin and Living Force. I met Warren Reeves while in Sydney. It was not a planned meeting and the spontaneous nature of it fills my soul with joy. Upon entering his home, I felt the presence of the energy that comes through you. It was very powerful to feel this love. Even as I type this letter, I sense your presence and all of the people who have joined me in my Realisation. There is much pain in growing, and I accept the challenge. The experiences since experiencing Realisation has been very profound. Love is the main ingredient of my sharing and I am able to transmit it more fully since Realisation. I am understanding more and sharing this realisation with those who are drawn to it. Many positive experiences have unfolded while in Australia and in America.My consciousness seems reborn. Thank You. I am enclosing information about the organisation that I founded. It is called the International Holistic Centre and I plan to put it in the hands of the right person who comes to take this responsibility. Why I tell this to you is because of the possibility of your being helped by this organisation upon your coming to America. When you are ready to come to America write to the organisation. I will share with the new director that you might write and he could be helpful to you. Please know that I will do anything I am able to make this visit to America a sharing one. Warren has mentioned that this organisation could be a vital link in the chain of your coming to America. My plans see me moving to Honolulu for a time and then moving to Australia to work with many in the light of the love energy. May I hear from you soon, if possible, and shall your blessed work, continue with the strength that I felt in Warren's presence. May I be in your grace and love always. Thank you.” Shri Mataji: Read the name of the gentleman please and show his photo. Sahaj Yogi: Stan Telson, International Holistic Centre, Arizona. Shri Mataji: See what a powerful man we have got now with us. There were a lot of things published about him. He’s sent his newspaper cuttings, but this is his photograph; after Realisation. You can see that clearly. This is how it is going to spark now. Let's see. Any questions? Ask the questions. I am Your Mother. There is nothing to be frightened of me here. I didn't want to frighten you, but that's a fact. That's a fact we have to understand. All these horrible spells and these magic things and the all this nonsense is going on. In the Western countries it’s much more, because such saints are born here. Don't be enticed by them. Be careful. Is there any question? Seeker: No, that was just my indigestion here. Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Sahaj Yogi: It was his stomach rumbling. Shri Mataji: Is it? Stomach is rumbling! All right, you put your left hand on the stomach. Kundalini has come there. She is trying to cure you. Right, right hand towards me like this. What else? You see, we have been playing havoc with ourselves, isn't it? And sometimes we also spoil our liver, sometimes our pancreas. If you are very hard-working man, a planner, your pancreas could be spoiled. So Kundalini, She goes and supplies the energy to get it all right. You’ve got cool breeze in the hand? Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? Cool breeze in the hand, are you getting? No? Just put both the feet straight like that on the ground. Yes, fully. Just move a little further like this. Yes, put straight, you see. Keep the feet straight. But sit in such a way that a little pressure on the feet should be there. Pull, pull them towards you. Yes, now see that's how. Put both the hands like that.	null	null	null	“Confusion, A Sign of Modern Times,” Public Program. Caxton Hall, London (GB), 14 July 1980. Today’s days in the modern times we are faced with confusions: that’s a sign of modern times. At the same time the en-masse urge to search the truth is manifesting. It's not only one individual who feels like that, it’s not only eight or ten people who feel like that, but masses and masses and multitudes are feeling you have to search an answer; you have to find out why are you here; you have to know who you are; you have to find out your wholesomeness; you have to find out the whole. There is a big movement in a very subtle way that is moving masses towards this search. But we have no idea, perhaps, as to what is the atmosphere in which we are born, what is the situation, how the whole stage is laid. We have no idea. As we have taken ourselves for granted as human beings, we take everything for granted. We are born human beings through our evolution but we do not even want to think why we were evolved from amoeba to this stage. All the whys we just shut down. Whatever is there we want to see through these eyes, through these ears. Through these sensory organs we want to understand. But still the urge is there to know what is beyond. The atmosphere in which we are born cannot be understood without having the light to see why there is darkness, and darkness of such immensity, which never [before] pervaded this Earth. It was never so much before, never, never before, than it is today. That's why the confusion comes in. And it has an action, it has a reaction in the same way: the more is the urge, the more is the confusion, the more is the darkness. Now this darkness around us is not only of ignorance, as it used to be. In the Vedas or in the scriptures, anywhere, it is written that you have to enlighten yourself, you have to have the light. I used to say the same thing, not to frighten you about it too much. I thought first they'll have the light, then they will be able to see. For three years I did not say anything, a word about this darkness, the source of this darkness, till they themselves started seeing it. I knew they will see. And then I had to start talking about it. We have to understand that satanic forces have been let loose by some horrible Satans, like convicts who are on the run. They are thousands and thousands of entities, controlled by some very sinister, evil people. They call themselves as great people, as maybe gurus or maybe saintly persons, organisers, whatever you may say. They are controlling this satanic force. And we are all surrounded by that satanic force. As soon as we start projecting ourselves into their areas, we get caught up. Let us see how do we project into them and why do we get up into that and what is the remedy for these satanic forces. First we project into that through our subconscious mind, which is being described by many psychologists: they call it psychic powers. It's not only psychic; there are some more things in about. Through our conditionings, through our fears we have a mind of our own. Now mind is to be divided into two. The English [word] mind is different from the Sanskrit [word] manas. Manas is whatever is the superego in you, whatever is condition within you - is manas. And the ego is different. So there is a superego and an ego to a mind; out of which [it’s] the superego, the mind, which starts forming habits. For example, human beings have a capacity to form habits very easily because of superego practices. The one who is using now a chair - say he uses it for ten years - he cannot sit on the ground. So the matter starts sitting on us and we start becoming slave to the matter. When our attention is obsessed by matter, by materialism, and we start projecting ourselves under the domain of materialism, of accepting whatever matter is dominating us…for example, a person is crazy about football. It's all right to like something but we do not know how to demarcate ourselves. We go on projecting into it to such an extent - there is no control - that we become slaves to it; so much so that we start identifying ourselves, our own achievement with that football. We go to such a limit that we completely lose our balance. But psychic powers actually arise from sex habits. Once you start indulging into your sex and its perversions and all those things, you go into lethargy, into your subconscious area, into your collective subconscious. And in the collective subconscious all kinds of filthy people exist: sly, intriguers, frightened, masochists you can call them, that type of people, they are there. They are let loose, so they are there. They capture you. Then you go into all perversions of sex, all sorts of things. You go on asking, “What's wrong? What's wrong?” To keep to subconscious area you take to alcoholism, drugs. It's lethargic. You explain it by saying that, “Those who are very active are aggressive. So we are taking to this kind of life by which we are getting into lethargy.” But when you move too much into it, also, all these horrible people capture you and you get into them and they try all kinds of tricks through you. They become very effective. Now these gurus, they give you mantras and things like that. These are the names of these entities which exist in the dark. You take to those mantras and you go into that. There are so many ways, all these spiritualists and ESPs and all sort of these things going on in this world. The way you can judge them is that they do not talk of the Absolute, they do not talk of the Spirit that rests in you. They will take the name of love but whatever they do is anti-love. They'll talk about your brother dying, father dying, mother dying, “Can you talk to them? If you want, you can have a conversation with them.” All of them are tying you to the subconscious, to that horrifying atmosphere and you are not aware of it, you just accept it. All kinds of these negative forces are let loose. The other side are even more dangerous, is the supraconscious area in our being on the right hand side. In one side you put your emotions, project them. When you project your emotions you can go on to any limit, like I have seen people who are crying and weeping and wailing and reading horrible, very horrible poems like Lord Byron, such people. They just throw you into that subconscious where you feel happy to be miserable. You are happy as a miserable person, you do not want anybody to be happy either; and you want to go on and continuing with that dramatic romantic method by which you think you are a very miserable people and all the world is torturing you and you are a very nice person yourself. In this process you destroy yourself, you destroy your being and you cover your Spirit completely with your subconscious ideas. You enjoy your miseries. Can you imagine! Even if joy stands before you, you will say, “Oh, I don't think I will be happy!” which you are not aware of it, and you just start enjoying! Now the other side [is] when you use your rationality, which comes out of your brain. On one side you use your emotions out of your heart - outward heart, I should say- and the other side you use your brain, your rationality. You start ‘solving’ problems through rationality, but it has no control. You can rationalise even a Mother, you can rationalise wars, you can rationalise everything, every sort of aggression you do. If you ask Russians they will say it is rationalised that they are aggressing Afghanistan. If you ask Americans they say it's rationalised that they are aggressing all the developing countries. Everybody think they are absolutely all right. Spanish people going down and destroying all the civilisations of Argentina, Peru and all these places. Or the English thinking that [if] they don't like somebody so they have a business if they say, “We don't like it," they have a business to say whatever they like, to ill-treat anyone they feel like. They can do it because they don't like it. Or any other such people. So in the developing countries more the subconscious works out, much more and in the developed countries, the supraconscious works out. Both are just the same. Both are in the same darkness. There is no difference; only the colour may be different. One we can say, in the black fumes of the coal and another in the yellow fumes of the benzoin, both are equally suffocating. The other side, the Right Side, is more dangerous because it doesn't show any signs. It's ego. You think it is rational. You start solving problems rationally. Where do you end up? In quarrels, squabbles, fighting, killing, violence. Any organisation that is based on these two things, whatever may be their intentions, good or bad, they end up like this. On one side they go into intrigues, slyness and lethargy. The other side they go into violence. Or also they can change hands. Some lethargic people can be extremely violent, but because they are so lethargic that they take time to react. It's not easy to make lethargic people very violent because they haven’t got so much willpower left in them. The other side, the supraconscious, is so dangerously placed. Now this is managed by many gurus. Of course, as I told you, psychic side is also managed by many gurus who say that through sex you can achieve God. I am not denouncing sex by any chance. What I am saying [is] the moderation of sex, the sanctity of sex, has to be there. On the right hand side, I am not denying rationality, but rationality should be wisdom. If there is no wisdom, rationality can be very dangerous. But the danger comes not from you yourself but more from outside: when you penetrate into that projection you are controlled through your limitations. You can see here the left and right hand side, ego and superego. It's like a balloon and the balloon moves like that, keeps you with you, like this, and another balloon moves like that and both the balloons are pulling you on both the sides. They give you mantras. These mantras are nothing but projections of your rationality, your mind. We call them black magic, in one simple word. Or you can call one as yellow magic, another as black magic, whichever way you like. All these are the same thing. And with this projection, people can kill. Sitting down here, people can kill. They can do whatever they like, sitting down here, and they call it as power. Now the supraconscious area people cover when they are fond of power. When they want to have power. Now they have had, supposing, political powers; but they want to intrigue and what you call espionage people. I mean, imagine these filthy things people do. Imagine. This is politics, supposed to be, espionage and all that. These all filthy things are done by people who want power, more power and more power and more powers. And this power is also ultimately is destroying the whole. One destroys the individual; the other destroys the whole. Hitler now, for example, was nothing but obsessed by these. And he got these powers through his own projections. He started mesmerising people, he gave them wrong ideas, he created a war and the whole world was shaken up. It can happen to anyone. But now people don't want to take his name. They shudder to think what a devil he was. But he became a devil. These powers are around. So those who want to overpower things: now those who want to fly, or those who want to have supra-natural powers, they call them, like you can hold a truck coming. What is the need to hold a truck? You can allow an elephant to pass over your body. I don’t understand what is the need for an elephant to pass over your body. How many elephants do you have in this country? And where will you face such an accident? Such people when they overdo it, they develop these so-called powers of killing others. They will create accidents. They create accidents, they kill people, they do all kinds of things. This is all known to Indians. Those who have read a little about it, they know all these things exist. You are people, you are still naïve. You do not know. Indians, also modern, westernised Indians also don’t know. They think they are all Shakespeare. They don't read anything about their own knowledge. This is what it is. Now what is the antidote for this? The antidote of all this is Divine love. Love can conquer all these devils. If a person has this Divine love within him, if it starts flowing through him, all these things will disappear. That's the only way you can save this world, through Divine love. Only through love you are going to win over all these horrible forces which are let loose, and your confidence will be established in you. This Divine love is all-pervading. The trouble is, human beings are not aware of it. It's the most dynamic force and is the only force that exists. Darkness exists till the light is not there. It has otherwise no existence. It is a myth. In the same way when the light of Divine love starts flowing in you, when you become identified with that Divine love, then all these negative forces drop out. The mantras, so-called mantras, that they are taught to you which are used to invite these horrible entities disappear into thin air and actually the Deities which are to be awakened, they get awakened. The fire that may completely demolish a place becomes a fire in the lamp when you see where to put the fire. This light of Divine love should come to every one of the persons who are seeking truth. This is what we are seeking. This Divine love should flow through you by which you are going to save the whole world. It’s a very dangerous and precarious condition. Those who are realised-souls and real truthful people are hiding themselves in the Himalayas or some sort of caves somewhere in the world. They don’t want to face you because they think you are too dark and your projections are like two horns and as soon as you'll see them, you'll come down like a bull on them. You need tremendous patience and tremendous understanding and courage like a mountain to face all these things. God has made all arrangements within you. You can see yourself [what] has been shown here. I am sure Chaya must have told you about it: that there is a power within us which can give us Self-realisation by which we can achieve that source of Divine love and you become the river of that Divine love; so that you are cleansed completely and that others who are to face you, are also cleansed. Every time I have to repeat about Kundalini and about these things but I am sure you can go through the book and see for yourself what are all these things. But [the] emergency is today that we have to realise that this Divine love has to be brought into the awareness of human beings, into their consciousness, so that they can manoeuvre it and can once for all win over, be victorious over, this dreadful enemy of the whole. May God bless you! Thank you. Douglas? I used to say always that, “How it will work out?” Because it was moving very slowly. Very few people get Realisation in this country specially, and they go up and down and [it’s] difficult to establish them. It’s a fact. But we are establishing slowly, steadily and firmly. And everybody was very much worried that "Mother how are you going to do it in such a big way?" or, “Are the Western people out of your programme?” And I always told them, “It will spark one day.” And I think the first spark I have seen now. I am very happy to tell you about that, that a gentleman who came from Australia, two of them came to India - they got their Realisation - they went back to Australia. They gave Realisation to people. And today I received a letter from an American gentleman who went to Australia who has a big organisation of his own, who got his Realisation and he has written, a very beautiful letter he has written. I wish somebody could read it for you so that you will know how the spark has started. Can you give me my purse as well? How is Jane? Have you got any report about it? My purse. Sahaj Yogini: (Unclear) Shri Mataji: All right. Good. But now you are going there, I would like to warn you [about] one thing: don't talk about other negative forces, all right? Like the Buddhist chanting and all these chantings and all that. Keep it very pure. Thank you. (Somebody hands Mother her purse) I will just go through it. Very sweet of him, just see how much he is working hard. Only two persons have created such a thing in Australia. You used to say that Australians are the convicts who went from here. It's just the other way round now, I think. (Laughing) They are proving to be such beautiful people now. Somebody who can read very clearly, who? Can you put it up? Sahaj Yogi: “Dear Beloved Mataji, Please excuse the delay in writing you as I have been away in Australia with the message of love and understanding, with the work of polarity and Jin Shin and Living Force. I met Warren Reeves while in Sydney. It was not a planned meeting and the spontaneous nature of it fills my soul with joy. Upon entering his home, I felt the presence of the energy that comes through you. It was very powerful to feel this love. Even as I type this letter, I sense your presence and all of the people who have joined me in my Realisation. There is much pain in growing, and I accept the challenge. The experiences since experiencing Realisation has been very profound. Love is the main ingredient of my sharing and I am able to transmit it more fully since Realisation. I am understanding more and sharing this realisation with those who are drawn to it. Many positive experiences have unfolded while in Australia and in America.My consciousness seems reborn. Thank You. I am enclosing information about the organisation that I founded. It is called the International Holistic Centre and I plan to put it in the hands of the right person who comes to take this responsibility. Why I tell this to you is because of the possibility of your being helped by this organisation upon your coming to America. When you are ready to come to America write to the organisation. I will share with the new director that you might write and he could be helpful to you. Please know that I will do anything I am able to make this visit to America a sharing one. Warren has mentioned that this organisation could be a vital link in the chain of your coming to America. My plans see me moving to Honolulu for a time and then moving to Australia to work with many in the light of the love energy. May I hear from you soon, if possible, and shall your blessed work, continue with the strength that I felt in Warren's presence. May I be in your grace and love always. Thank you.” Shri Mataji: Read the name of the gentleman please and show his photo. Sahaj Yogi: Stan Telson, International Holistic Centre, Arizona. Shri Mataji: See what a powerful man we have got now with us. There were a lot of things published about him. He’s sent his newspaper cuttings, but this is his photograph; after Realisation. You can see that clearly. This is how it is going to spark now. Let's see. Any questions? Ask the questions. I am Your Mother. There is nothing to be frightened of me here. I didn't want to frighten you, but that's a fact. That's a fact we have to understand. All these horrible spells and these magic things and the all this nonsense is going on. In the Western countries it’s much more, because such saints are born here. Don't be enticed by them. Be careful. Is there any question? Seeker: No, that was just my indigestion here. Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Sahaj Yogi: It was his stomach rumbling. Shri Mataji: Is it? Stomach is rumbling! All right, you put your left hand on the stomach. Kundalini has come there. She is trying to cure you. Right, right hand towards me like this. What else? You see, we have been playing havoc with ourselves, isn't it? And sometimes we also spoil our liver, sometimes our pancreas. If you are very hard-working man, a planner, your pancreas could be spoiled. So Kundalini, She goes and supplies the energy to get it all right. You’ve got cool breeze in the hand? Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? Cool breeze in the hand, are you getting? No? Just put both the feet straight like that on the ground. Yes, fully. Just move a little further like this. Yes, put straight, you see. Keep the feet straight. But sit in such a way that a little pressure on the feet should be there. Pull, pull them towards you. Yes, now see that's how. Put both the hands like that.
7/15/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=7069	The Wonderful Message	England	Cambridge	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	68	Public program. Cambridge (England) 15 July 1980. Don has already spoken so authentically about Self-realization, that some of you must be wondering what sort of a gimmick we are up to. But one has to understand that only a person who is there can talk that authentically, or a person who is a complete hoax. It has to be two extremes. A person, who says maybe, may not be, perhaps, it is so or somebody who sings about his separation and his pains are definitely not there, because if you have met the truth, if you have seen the reality then you speak like Christ, “I am the light, I am the path”. You speak like Shri Krishna, “Sarva Dharman parityajya maam ekam sharanam vraja?" Means "Give up all the religions, religions means outside seeking and follow me". The authenticity comes from the feeling, or we can say the feeling of authenticity itself. Unless and until you have achieved it, you do not speak like that - your language is different. Like, many poets and many even devotees of God have sung the song, “Oh God, when are you going to meet us?” As long as they are singing such songs, then you should know they are not Realized souls. But we have lots of poets, you too have Blake. We had a poet like Kabir. Many poets like this have sung the song where they said, “This is it. You better come up and have it”. And all such people who have spoken like this are the people who have achieved it. We can say in modern times Kahlil Gibran - I’m told you people study. He was one of them. We can say Zen is also the same thing. There are so many people who have said this. Mohammed was the same. All these scriptures which are written after these great incarnations on this earth, all of them are saying the same thing that: they have achieved it and that you have to achieve it. All of them say that, "You are to be reborn". I do not know how in any religion people have given up this idea of being re-born. Nobody has gone to the seeking of it. Especially when they have organized religions, they have never bothered to find out what is it talking about? It is taking about a rebirth even, even in the Bible. Not going to church, coming home and saying your hymns and finished. That can never, never satisfy our spiritual urge, which is much stronger, much more stronger than these kind of little bits of foods given to us. Unless and until we have achieved that goal, we are not going to be satisfied. We have to understood [understand] ourselves and we must have our self-esteem. At least, that what we are wanting is the reality. But there are lots of gimmicks on and you know there are lots of shopping centers on which I have to talk about, which I hate to talk but I have to tell you about. That people are selling these things - everything starts selling. If they find out there are people seeking, they try to sell it. You cannot sell your evolution, can you? How much did you pay to become a human being from a chimpanzee? And how much are you going to pay to become something higher? If it is a living process, you cannot pay for it. Anything that is living, does not know money, does it? Except for human beings, if they are living. I don’t know, once they start knowing money too much, they also dead completely, they also become extremely materialistic matter itself. You cannot purchase it, the first point is. Secondly, you cannot put in effort any effort in it. They’ll say, “Stand on your heads”. By standing on your heads, can you sprout a seed? Some people might say that all right we’ll give you a lecture on this. What lecture can you give to a seed to sprout? It is a spontaneous process, means it is a living process. It is with you born. That’s why it is called Sahaja. Saha means “with”, ja means “born”. It is born with you and if it is going to work out, then you must have some experience of yourself, some knowledge of yourself and your power, your power of yourself should manifest. For some people are trying to fly for example. Now are you going to become birds in next evolutionary process? Or some are hoping like frogs. Now are we going to become frogs? We must think about it. What are we seeking to be? Some people are trying some other tricks like, there is somebody who says that by doing sex you can achieve God. I mean, it is nonsense. Animals are doing that everyday. Are they higher than us? I’m not saying that I’m against it and all that. Whatever is natural and sacred is all right, but the way people are trying to exploit through your brain, through your emotions and through your baser needs. If you have to go higher, means what? What is going to happen? Let us see what psychologists have to say. Jung says that there is something called as Universal Unconscious from where you get universal symbols in our dreams and that is how we know that there is someone who is guiding us. Of course people don’t accept Jung, they want Freud, because that suits you better. But what Freud has given you? Just think of it. He himself died of a very bad cancer. If he had of achieved anything in his own lifetime, he would have shown it. But we do not see the life of a person who preaches. Even I’ve seen people who talk about their gurus. Recently there’s a guru in, I don’t know where he is now. He used to be in England. They found out that he drinks whisky more than the Scotch men do and he has five, six keeps and mistresses. Still they are following him. He said he is above all sins so what does it matter and they are all becoming above sins like this, you see. So, we should not be in delusion about ourselves. If you are really seeking and if you are really wanting it then it is going to work out. It is going to work out first for the people who are of that caliber, not for people who are not of that caliber. If you have come here to sort of find out what sort of a lady is this and all that, I am sorry sir I cannot work it out. You have to come here with the idea of getting it. For one thing you should know you are not paying Me anything. It is you who has come to take something from Me. I am not going to take anything from you. I have come to give you something. So the question of examining Me and judging Me does not come because there’s no shop running. You see our mentality is that of a purchaser going to a shop. We’ll see how it works out and that and that. Here nothing is selling - first and foremost thing. Secondly, it is a spontaneous process. It is the cashing of the check as I say of all your good deeds and of your past life and your seeking. If you are a true seeker it works out. It works out despite all mistakes people have committed. I have seen some people who were supposed to be very much gone down, some people came to Me in coma also got Realization, people who took to drugs and were absolutely in it have overcome it and now beautiful…. Because all these things human beings do because they are bored of themselves. Mostly it is done because of boredom or sometimes because of the fashions around - everybody is taking, “Let’s try”. But actually human beings that I see are nothing but their Spirit. Their sparkling Spirit in their hearts, which is so beautiful like a diamond. I see that. I see the clouds that cover it. I see you otherwise also but I know with My love I’ll be able to remove those clouds. Now these people who are taking about God and organizing religions and also people who are talking about giving you something like Realization and every sort of word that I say, they must be saying. I’m sure about it. They have used all My language. When I went to America first you see, people told Me, “Mother you better get your lectures registered or something like that”. I said, “why?” They said, “ They will print this and they will use this, they’ll write books”. I said, “very good. Let the ideas move, but can they give realization? Let them speak about Kundalini, but can they do it?” It’s good idea. Very good way, they are really propagating My ideas to people. It’s easier that way. Let them do it and that’s how the market is full with all the same words that I am saying to you. But actualization of the experience, raising of the Kundalini is only done by a person who is authorized. Any Dick, Tom, Harry cannot do it. Now you may say, “Why You Mother?” Now what to do. I can only do it. For example, if you have a professor say of mathematics, he’s the only one who can teach you mathematics. You don’t feel bad about it do you? I don’t know that. I don’t know even how to drive a car. I don’t know how to reach Cambridge, even to direct it. So, you know so many more things than I know. I know only one thing and that is you are your spirit and that you have the power to become that. These are very simple things of life, which I know and if I know that, for that why should you feel hurt? It’s My job, it’s My job, I have to do it and that’s why I am doing it. And one should understand that there is someone, there can be someone who does it out of love. Need not be for anything, just for love’s sake because love is the most powerful thing. You have no idea about love. We have never used the power of love so far; it’s all power of hatred. All your nations, all your organizations are nothing but handful of people who hate each other. They form a government, they form a democracy or a communism and this and that nonsense, just to fight. They don’t know the power of love, which is the most dynamic power. The pure love of God, the divine power of love is all-pervading. Now whatever I’m saying I’m going to prove it to you. I’m not just telling you a story. It is going to be proved and you are going to find it out whatever I’m saying is true or not. You are going to also find out that you are that Spirit. That you are that beautiful thing I’m taking and once you achieve your spirit you become collectively conscious. You become again I say. I’m not saying you have to become, We are all brothers and sisters. You just become. It just happens in your awareness; it just enlightens your awareness, in such a way that you start feeling another person. Now, as the things are today, we know there are many diseases we do not know the cure of that. For example, cancer. Cancer is a disease people are really frightened of. Now I must tell you, I have been telling this for ten years and I have done the curing of cancer that Sahajayoga is the only way cancer can be cured. There’s no way out. You have to get your Kundalini awakened. If you do not get your Kundalini awakened, maybe you might be a prey to some of these forces, may be the physical problem, maybe the mental problem because there are these evil forces let loose. They’re around this mass hypnosis that took place of the children. Nobody can explain that but I know that. So many people committed suicide you know in… Which country was that? Vienna? Yes all that was nothing but the same. Psychologists are still children and unauthorized, they do not know what people can do on your minds and how things can work out, how these evil forces are working. On one side is this, the another side, your projection of your mind, projection of your brain. So-called rationality without wisdom has no sense at all. You rationalize - everything is rationalized. What’s wrong, even killing your own mother. What’s wrong? Can you explain? It goes on like this, whatever you do. What’s wrong? At the most you’ll go to jail, all right. It’s all right but nothing wrong in it. With rationality, you can rationalize all kinds of wars and everything, so the other projection moves. Your brain projection, which is linear, moves like this and comes back onto human beings. All these big civilizations you have created and these big advancements you have made and what has happened? People are committing suicide.For example, we had some people from Sweden, young girls at least seventeen, eighteen. Oh they were studying in Cambridge, I must tell you, they were studying in Cambridge, they came to Caxton hall and their vibrations were so bad that I had to call them at home, just like dead bodies. I said, “ what’s the matter with these people?” Young girls of seventeen, eighteen, I called them home, I talked to them and I found that they were planning all the time how to commit suicide. Seventeen, eighteen-year-old human beings who are created after thousands and thousands of years of work - so delicate and beautiful and what they are doing is nothing to commit suicide? But now I am told Switzerland is competing with Sweden, which is supposed to be the most affluent country. So what is happening with your advancement, you must also have a little re-thinking about it. Is that going to give us happiness? Is that really going to solve our problems? We are running away from it. We are running away from it. Why? There must be something wrong in this and what is wrong in this is that we have not paid any attention to our spirit. That is the source of joy. Today you find thousands and thousands of people are seeking a-mas. Of course some are in fashion but so many are genuinely seeking no doubt. They may seek it in drugs, may seek it in gurus, anywhere but they are definitely genuinely seeking. Of that I’m sure. I have seen that happening. Now why this seeking has suddenly come up on a-mas level? It used to be individualistic, one or two people used to seek, say about twelve thousand years back, there’s a mention of one gentleman going to Raja Janaka and asking him the knowledge of Self. And he was put into so much of testing and all that and ultimately he was given his self-realization. So why today, there is such a seeking everywhere? Because it was to be. Today is the time of confusion. It’s called as Ghor Kaliyuga means the blackest time. Blackest modern times where the kali rules and it was promised that at this time there will be such a lot of confusion that people will start seeking and the seeking will be blessed and that is what is happening through Sahaja Yoga. It is all been prophesized and the prophecy has to be fulfilled. Now for you people, I have to tell you about Kundalini because you must be anxious to know about it and talk about it. But the knowledge of Kundalini is something very subjective in the sense that if you come in this room and it’s a dark room, if I tell you about it - about the electricity, its history and the one who invented it and how it was brought to Cambridge and who started the first one, you’ll get a headache. Instead of that I can tell you, you come in and put on the light. Simplest thing is to put on the light and if you can put on the light you can see for yourself that what is all this going on here. Otherwise, it’s such a headache to go round and round on that subject.Now I’ve seen some people have written such big books on Kundalini. Most amazingly, who have no idea of Kundalini at all, absolutely zero. Some of them are saying, see the book is like this: some people say the Kundalini is in the stomach, some say it is in the brain, some say it is in the lower portion of the body. Now, if such a thing is to be written what others are saying, you can write even such a big book. But there is no definite thing about anything written in this book of (Mister Aven?), which is such a huge thing. Now there are so many other books also which have been written by Indians, the great, you see. Indians are… I hope there are no Indians here. Indians are very good at manipulating things, I must tell you and I am one of them and you have to take them always with a pinch of salt. Because if they are genuine, they can be absolutely genuine, but if they want to be crooked they can be first class crooks. The reason is this: India is a yogabhoomi, is a great country of good vibrations you can say - a vibration where lots of great saints are born, so the whole place is vibrating. I mean if you get our realization you will see yourself what I am saying is true or not. So in a country like that only two extremes are born: either very good or the very nasty. The very nasty are born to topple down the play of divine. Now in India people having a certain sense you see, they are having a certain sense of wisdom, I should say Indians to understand who are the crooks, you see because we know all these tricks of the crooks. So now they being exported from India to other countries and these people are more interested in your purse, so they are not interested in poor Indians. So, they are all abroad and they are very nicely enjoying their life here, which you cannot enjoy. Already, they have got their heaven here and their, and your purse and they are enjoying it. But because of your naïve, because of your naivety, I would say, because you are insensitive to spirituality, it happens. If you were a sensitive person, you would have known that they are crooks. You are seekers, you are very genuine but you are extremely simple. And this is the naïve is the word for that because Indians know who is a crook. Of course, some foolish Indians, may run after a man who gives them a diamond. He doesn’t give to poor, he gives to a rich man a diamond. If he gives one diamond he takes ten diamonds from that fellow by mesmerizing him. All these tricks of the trade are known to Indians. At least to elderly people of My age group but the younger people still are westernized, you see. So the westernized are getting sophisticated and they have some place for these gurus who are trying to befool them. Now for you people I’m just telling you that you face the truth as it is. You should have that scientific outlook is to keep yourself open. Just see for yourself. Do not deny it, do not accept it blindly but let it work out. If it works out you will see the results. Then after R,ealization takes place, when the Kundalini rises and breaks the Sahasrara at this point, the baptism takes place in the actual way. Not through a theological college fellow, but through a real spontaneous happening then you start seeing for yourself and you have to maintain it and you have to work it out. So this is a compromise between you and Me. I am going to tell you something about Kundalini but that also you do not take up too much seriously. You see for yourself. It would be something like this: you are sitting in this room and I say that reality is in the other room. So I said, you say, “all right, show us the photographs first of all.” So I show you the photographs. Then you say, “All right, you tell us about it” I tell you everything about it. Still, you have to go to that room. Unless and until you go to that room, all this is useless and meaningless. So even if I tell you about this, that’s not the last word. This is all because you so fond of lectures. I have been giving now three hundred and I don’t know how many I have already given lectures you see. I have been lecturing. I just now have been driving down from London straight here and another lecture is here. But all right, lecture gives you an opening, and apart from that, your rationality is little bit satisfied that Mataji can speak English is something all right and all these things. But again you have to go to the other room to see the reality is the point. So that’s one thing is that you should be prepared to go there. Now if you are egoistical, I’m sorry, it will show. We know where ego is. I mean those who are realized know your ego. Some people have even like Napoleon even, bigger than that you see, like a balloon and it comes they are hard completely. They are heartless also. I’ve seen such egoistical people in modern times that history could not have produced such. I mean he maybe an ordinary man somewhere, absolutely uneducated, but he could be so clownish that you can’t understand from where did he could get this ego. So this modern time, specially in advanced countries, it sort of nourishes your ego. Every walk of life, you see the advertisement how they nourish your ego by saying things. So all this works out towards ego. Now the superego is also there, where we are so much conditioned, specially in a place like Cambridge. Now your university, you have a library. You read all kinds of books from black magic to third eye to fifth eye, everything you have read so far. So that is all going into your superego and you have a problem with that. So all these problems are within you apart from your physical problems are there, then your family problems are there. There are basic problems of not getting love from your mother, father and all these things are there. All these problems are within you and that’s how these centers maybe little difficult, but doesn’t matter, I’m going to work it out, I’ve worked it out on thousands and it is going to work it out in you. I’m very hopeful. Now England, I always call it the heart – heart of the universe. If the Kundalini is in India, the heart is in England and it’s the English wisdom that is going to do the job. I have all hopes about it because they are not shifty like Americans and they are not stern like I mean rock of Gibraltar I call them, (“jabals”?) So it’s something in between. Of course rather difficult to crack but once they are done they are very good and excellent. Now we have a person like Don and a person so many like that you see, who have really contributed so much, so much to Sahaja Yog that you will be amazed and how their lives are transformed and how they have become beautiful, I cannot tell you. I really just see them and feel so happy, that they are enjoying themselves and they are now giving realizations to others and giving them their own meaning. We have to find our own meaning, we have to find our own wholesomeness and we have to find out our absolute point. Because of relative living, we are confused. Once we have got it, then you get the absolute knowledge about which I will tell you little later when I’ve told you about the Kundalini. Now, here it’s a small map, our big map has not come but still you can see for yourself, is in the triangular bone called as “sacrum”, we have got this residual force or we can call the primule. What is it in ordinary English word primule? We can say the germinating part of the seed in the triangular bone, which is called as “sacrum”. Now this sacrum is the bone which never burns - even the whole body burns out. That’s why the Greeks called it a sacrum, means a sacred bone. They did know the Kundalini existed, maybe knowing, I don’t know but they called it a sacred bone. Just imagine how it has worked. Now, this triangular bone contains that energy which is coiled in three and a half coils. Now it has a significance - three and a half coil. That of course I do not want to go into mathematics about it but later on sometimes you will know. Above that, these centers that are placed, all of them, six of them and one below it, seven centers are actually the milestones of our evolutionary process. For example, the center here now is the center when human beings raise their heads from the animal stage to become human beings. At that stage this center came into full force. When this center came into full force, a new thing happened into human beings which does not happen into animals is that we achieved our freedom. Now I’ll tell you in medical terminology how we have achieved our freedom. What we see here are three lines if you see carefully. On the left hand side is the first line, blue colored line, which is the line which shows our power of desire. This is the one which is the 'psyche'. This is the one which conditions us, this is the one by which we live in our past. This is our desire. The second power, that is the yellow colored one is the power to create, is power of action. So we use for this power our brain as well as our body. This is the power that takes us to our future. We plan for our future and things like that so this is the line that is for our future. In the center you see another line, which is actually broken at a point - at a void we call it. I mean the Zen Void, do not confuse with it: this is Sahaja Yoga Void is. So, this central line which is there, is the line by which we sustain. By which we come from amoeba to human stage. This is how we evolve. Sustenance is our quality. For example, gold has a sustenance. Gold is untarnishable. In the same way, human beings also have got a sustenance by which you know what is a human being. How can you make out an animal and a human being? Very simple method you should tell me grandmothers. How do you make out an animal and an…. very simple is put them in a dirty bin. One would run away, another would sit down. So, the human beings are at this stage when they raised their head became human beings and because of that these two powers - left and right powers, which were acting within us, started producing a kind of a balloon in the head called as ego and superego. The one which is the conditioning, another is the ego. These two institutions developed into our heads and formed a very thick covering here. When this bone which was a soft bone in our childhood is called as a fontanel bone became solidified, calcified and we became a separate entity, like you are Mr. so, you are Mrs. so, you are this and that. That’s how you have achieved your freedom as Adam and Eve have achieved. Now you are a different person, you are a different person. Every human being is made a separate person and independent person. The reason was that, at this stage, it was not possible to go further with evolution without giving you freedom to choose what is good and what is bad. This experience you had to have within you and that’s why it was done in this way that the ego and superego, both the institutions were created in your brain and you were given your freedom and that’s how you have become a separate entity. Once you have become the separate entity you started choosing - this is good or that is bad. But as human beings are, their attention goes out. That’s also a reason which I cannot tell just now but the reason goes out. There’s a parallelogram of forces works out. Our attention goes out. If I tell you to put your attention inside you cannot. It’s always out. Attention cannot go inside and that is the reason because attention goes out. It has an action and a reaction and this ego starts bloating and this superego also starts bloating and the more you have it, the less you have your heart. Now when these three things I’m telling you about, you do not see them in medical sciences but you see them as expressed as gross nervous systems called as left and right sympathetic nervous systems and in the center is the parasympathetic. Now what you see outside is the gross form, inside is the subtle thing. Now when you raise the Kundalini you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini. Not in everyone or those people who have a problem in the second center called as the Nabhi center or the third center also called as the Swadishtana. Swadishtana you can call it second or third depending on its position. So if there is a problem on these centers you find the Kundalini trying to pulsate and in some people we have seen it so fast, I mean we have taken pictures and we have got also some films of that the way Kundalini moves in the triangular bone. Now one has to know that this cannot be done by any human effort. I mean somebody says, “You jump on your head, you will get to God”. That’s very easy to do. Somebody says, “Stand on your head”. That also with practice you can do. Somebody says, “You hop and go a little higher with hoping you can do it”. But with that your Kundalini won’t rise. Then you can see with your naked eyes the Kundalini rising in some people who have obstructions, but with the stethoscope you can hear the sound of heart in the Kundalini area and in the backbone. You can see it and it reaches here. You can hear also on this area that sound. It is described by Kabira, “Shunya shikarapara ana hada vajiye ”. It is all described by all those people who are Realized souls. But we do not read them, we read horrible people like this Lampa Sampa what is his name is with the third eye business? We never read the real authentic people like Shankara. We do not read people like Kabira and Nanaka. Christ, who says, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames”. Now what is that? What is that? That is the same as the centers. They really look like flames pulsating. You can see them clearly. Now these centers are within us and when the Kundalini awakens she enriches them, integrates them completely and when She crosses this center, this is the center of Christ. This is the center of Christ between the pituitary and the pineal body where the crossing of the optic chiasma. There’s a very subtle center, which you cannot see with your naked eyes, which is called as Agnya chakra. And when the Kundalini crosses that you become absolutely thoughtlessly aware. You are aware, you are listening to Me but there is no thought coming from ego or superego. Actually, we either live in the past or the future. The thought rises, falls off, another thought rises and falls off. Sometimes we see the thought coming in. So we jump from thoughts to thoughts and thoughts but in the center is the present. There we cannot stop. So these thoughts are coming into us. When the Kundalini rises in the center you stop at the present moment, means you become absolutely thoughtless. You are listening to Me but there is no thought coming to you from inside. That’s called as Nirvichar Samadhi. Samadhi means enlightened, enlightened awareness. It doesn’t mean death. Some people think that somebody is dead is Samadhi. I mean everybody is going to die – a dog, cat and a human being. What is there in a Samadhi? I don’t understand why death is so much worshipped by people and they think by dying only they are going to achieve something great. Nobody dies actually even if you try to kill yourself you will be back here like a (bad??) penny. It’s not easy to die that way so it’s better not to try such tricks you see, because that’s a very dangerous stuff. Now, when the Kundalini rises She integrates you because She goes through your mental, physical, emotional being and you get integration. When She crosses this, you get thoughtlessly aware, but when She pierces this, She touches, touches your spark of spirit, which is actually residing in the heart but the seat is here. And then you start feeling the cool breeze in the hand blowing, coming out. And this cool breeze is described by Shankara in so many books. Even in the Bible it is called as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Even in the Quran it is called as Ruh. This is what one has to feel is a cool breeze, which blows from your hand and you know the energy is flowing. Now you have become a hollow personality and the breeze has started blowing from your hand. Now with this breeze, you can maneuver it, you know how to handle it, you can give realizations to others, you can cure people just touching them and you can also feel others because you see there on the fingers, these five fingers. We have got seven centers- one, two, three, four… We have got seven centers – one, two, three, four, five, six and seven. These are the seven centers of the right hand and there are the seven centers of the left hand. So you start feeling your sympathetic centers and you know where is the problem, and also everything is decoded by which you know where is the problem. For example, we have one Cambridge graduate who has done his, Kevin has done his archeology, archeology very sensible man, and he once he got his realization - but still you know as the ramblings are of the western mind you see, he was still thinking how can it be, Mother said it is universal. So one day he told Me, “Mother I am burning here. What's that, that? What does that mean?” I said, “these are all the centers of your father, and this finger is for the throat, so your father must be down with bronchitis”. These are My words. He telephoned to his mother in My presence and father was not there. Mother came on the phone and she said that, sorry, father is down with bronchitis. The same sentence. He was amazed and we could cure him sitting down there. He knew about Nick's son, he knew about all of them - their Kundalini. We are not worried about their political position but where is their Kundalini? Where are their chakras? What are they catching? If they are catching this means what? All is decoded - every knowledge about it is given to you absolutely with love. The power of love is here and left and right side movement in your being takes you to these satanic forces which are let loose. Either they could be very ambitious or they could be very sly. You have to achieve this position of supreme love and you will be amazed how dynamic it is. Of course, I would say, Kundalini has been described since thousands of years, but the time has come for you to see the a-mas manifestation of the world, because the time of blossom has come. When the tree is just beginning, it has only one or two flowers. But when the blossom time comes, thousands of flowers can be converted because the time has come. I would say this is the last judgment. God is not going to make you sit on some winged pan and see what weight you have got. It's the Kundalini, which is going to rise. She is the one who is going to say what are you. And that is how the judgment has already started. You will see for yourself how one can judge another person - not on what dress he is wearing, how he is walking, whether heavy weight or low weight or tall or short, but on the Kundalini. How far he is there, how far he is the spirit. That is being judged by their vibrations. Vibrations are such absolute things. If you want to ask any question. Say you want to ask, “Is there God?” Ask such a question even now, you will get it. You will be surprised. Like a computer you start working. You will be amazed all your questions are answered. For example, Stonehenge . People do not know what it is like. I know what it is, I went there, these are the stones, which are thrown by the Mother Earth. We have many like that in our country. We saw the vibrations. I said, “Sahaja Yogis, now feel the vibrations”. Then later on people tried to cover them up and do all these things, but actually they are the stones thrown by the Mother Earth and it is written in the ten commandments, “whatever is created by Mother Earth or by the skies are not to be reproduced”. Now what are these things? ...Are not to be worshipped. Now what are these things? We never think about these things. What are these things, which are produced by the Mother Earth, which are created by the Mother Earth? These are the stones, special type of stones, which have a co-efficience to throw vibrations. We have so many of them, but we have that sensitivity to know them, we have built up temples on top of that. It's not statue worship it’s the worship of the real vibrations coming out. It's a very deep science one has to understand, which integrates all the religions of the world and gives you a complete light over all the scriptures. Nothing is false, nothing is wrong. These dogmatic, horrible people who wanted to make money out of it or some sort of a power out of it, have worked it out in a wrong way. These are all the flowers of one tree. They have removed all the flowers from these trees and have made it ugly.So when you have this realization, you reach that absolute point from where you get all your absolute answers and the feeling is of complete relaxation and joy. Joy is not a thing, which is happiness and unhappiness. From your ego you get happiness. People say “I went there, I felt very happy” You go to a pub, you feel very happy too, but some people say “I felt very unhappy”- that is superego. Joy is in between, it's complete, it's silent, it works, it co-ordinates, it loves and joy is the knowledge. Let's try if it works out with you people, but minimum please put your hands towards Me and both the feet. If you are not going to do it, you have to go back, because this is not proper to do that way, isn’t it? You have not come here for anything else but to get realization so better to go. This is it. All right, thank you. Question: The fact that there are only certain people who can have authority to awaken the Kundalini. Mother: what do you mean? Question: what do you mean by certain people? Mother: There are some people who have this power in them, flowing in them, you see. That's what I mean - it’s very simple. Those who do not have this power flowing in them, have no authority to raise Kundalini. For example, a person who has the authority is a Realized soul and such a person is above temptations. He is a very pure person, he is a person of love, he is a very sensible man, has to be. He is a higher type of a personality. Now, we have some people, you see, who are very Realized souls in India also I know them, also in Rangoon there is someone. They are everywhere and we have known many people and I have seen people like (Bishapercly?) was a Realized soul too. But, some of them do not know what is Kundalini is. They are just born like that and they are different type of people and they go against all kinds of dogmas and fight it and all that but they don’t know what is working it out, you see. They are not aware of their own awareness, you see. Then some people are, of course, there are some people who know about these things and also they work out Kundalini, but for example now you will be amazed here, fifty percent people are here sitting who can raise the Kundalini who are Realized souls, fifty percent people are here in this hall, so it can work out. So far, you see, those who are in the market, I should say, I have not seen even one who has been. But those who are hiding themselves are Realized souls , lots of them are there. And they came to see Me and I went to see them and I mean, we are one unison. And their idea about people is very funny and they think that you people will harm them and you will never listen to them because you like circus and you like all artificial things and you have always crucified people who have been truthful. You have always murdered them, you have always given them poison like Socrates or Mohammed-sahib. So, they are literally frightened of coming down and they have told Me Mother that, "You work for twelve years then we will come down". Now already ten years I worked. So, two years later, I hope they are willing to come down. Some of them have lost their limbs and suffering quite a lot. It has been a very sad thing but do, people do go to them, see them and sometimes once in a year they (bring?) people. But still, you see, one of them I asked him to go down to America just to try. He was there, he came all the way and went to America, he ran back, he just couldn’t bear it there. He said, "They are horrible people, I mean they have no sense of anything. They are absolutely in Hell. How can I do anything there?" I mean, you have to have patience, you have to understand that they are in a turmoil, they are beautiful people, they are seekers they are saints but they are so much mislead by these Gurus, you see their Kundalinis are spoilt, their chakras are spoilt, so many problems are there you see. So, you have to have a Mother, what to do. All right, it’s a right question. (unclear/christ?) Because some people try all kinds of tricks and they get burning and blistering and all that. It is like a knife, a villager coming and putting his hand into the plug and saying that, “I got a shock from the electricity, electricity is shock giving”. It is like that. You have to be authorized, your character is different, your style is different, you become a different person. Once you are realized, you'll be amazed your priorities will change completely. Absolutely, your priorities will be very different. Question: (unclear)Mother: Never, Never – no, no. You can never use it for anything wrong. Actually, what happens, the lowest chakra has got a deity called as Shri Ganesha. It’s the deity actually of innocence, it is that deity incarnated as Christ. Christ is the embodiment of innocence, I feel. That's the most powerful thing a human being has is innocence, you see. And he sits there and anybody who tries to enter through these wrong paths you see, it is he who gets into temper, you see, and he sort of throws his heat on the sympathetic nervous system. And when that heat crosses like that then you get all these things of people start screaming and shouting and all that because that deity knows who is who, that deity knows and the Kundalini also knows. But Kundalini itself, She is your mother can you think- not only in this life but in many lives, She has been loving you, She has been with you, She has been guarding you, She has been looking after and how can She harm you? And She will never take you to wrong paths, never, no question but because of this kind of behaviour, it happens. But how people work it out in a wrong way also, I'll tell you in short because it's a very big subject. Have you got some books from there? Could you bring some “Advent ? There is a very big book. He is a Swiss scholar, French-speaking Swiss, he has written a good book about kundalini and about My work, it's called as “Advent”, nobody has it? If you place your orders they will give you one, all of you should have that. In that I have explained, I mean through him that how people work out these black magic’s and things you see, which is wrong. What they do, say for example, you have a deity or you can say you have the presence of some person like that, say My photograph itself has vibrations, for example here. Now this photograph if you keep it here and if you start misbehaving or say doing something which is insulting to this photograph. The attention in this photograph will stay for a while otherwise, then it disappears. You'll find the photograph will become black and the attention will go away and there won’t be any vibrations coming, sort of it slipped off, sleeps off the thing. Now, that area where the photograph is becomes like a vacuum for all the divine vibrations and all the divinity. Then that portion they use for calling all the spirits and all these things. It’s a very elaborate method. They go to the cemeteries and all these things and call the spirits. Supposing some very ambitious man dies, immediately they go to his pyre and find out his body, bones and something and work it out in such a way that his Spirit hovers around and they use it. And, so you will find that in temple say of a Goddess or a temple - I would say now I 've been to your “Notre Dame” [in Paris]. It's a temple where there is a statue of Mary and Christ and that is vibrated, you'll be amazed, that statue is vibrated. There are many statues like that but one of them - that is vibrated. Now, say they can work it out in that temple, if they come to know about it you see. So, they go to a temple like that if they know there are vibrations and that's a deity is living. So, what they do is to do something like that, by which the attention of the deity goes [away] and they get a place there. They will do puja and thing like that and say mantras by which they use that place for their own purpose and once they have used their purpose, then the whole thing becomes bad. Even mantras, if they are not enlightened this is unauthorized. For example, supposing somebody gives you the name of “Rama”. Actually, in Sahaja Yoga, there is nothing like mantras, only what you have to know is the centers and you should know what are the deities and what thing can awaken the deities and where is the Kundalini and which one is to be used. So, it is moving from station to station, so you have to know everything. It is moves very fast in Sahaja Yoga, but otherwise in former days, the Kundalini used to move very slowly from one station to another station. So, a Realized soul would give a mantra to that person that you are now supposing at Nabhi, so he will give you a mantra of Nabhi so that the Nabhi is cleared out and the Kundalini rises higher. But it has to be a Realized soul otherwise the mantra is not also awakened and it has no connection with the deity, it is unauthorized. So what they do, supposing somebody gives you a mantra of Rama, who is not authorized and he gives you a mantra of Rama. It is like some policeman trying to do some policeman, who is not a policeman, trying to do something like a policeman - unauthorized. So he tells you that, "All right, you take the name of Rama". Now he is not authorized, he does not know the protocol; there is no connection he has with Rama. So when he gives you the name of Rama, you start taking the name of Rama. Now this Rama, you cannot approach the real one. So, somebody, a man who died with the name of Rama, is a Rama, you see, these busy bodies, he comes into it, then he does all these material tricks, something like say, moving this place, this one from there to there, or suddenly locking the door. I mean God does not have this interest. Why should you try to do these things? Removing things from here to there or sort of even they can kill you. They can do it, they tried all these things, killing people, they put you into mass hysteria they do, all kinds, I mean there are so many varieties. ESP is also the same. Even some people get this hunch, “Oh, that you better not go”. This is also the same. These are all busy bodies, it all works out in them, it does no doubt. So many things are like that - they work it out. So, that is not actually God's work. Like, I would say in India we had prohibition one you see, under Gita book was used for smuggling. Can you imagine? They used to print big Gita books and inside was hollow and they would put the brandy bottles from say Scotland inside and cover it up and nobody would open a Gita book to see that was brandy, but that is the best way to smuggle it out. So they used God to smuggle out all that is horrible. That's what they managed, but it can never be used for bad . Whatever is good is good, whatever taste's sweet, taste's sweet. It does not do any harm to you. Only thing is, when you are Realized and you do not establish your Realization, your vibrations are lost again. Once you have established it, it is there. When you go away from the attention of the divine, then you do suffer in the sense that you do not have vibrations and you feel again the same thing, uneasiness, you feel tension and this, that. But when you have vibrations, you are absolutely relaxed, you are very happy, your health is all right, also your wealth is all right, materially you improve, but not you don’t become Mr. Ford , you become a satisfied person because of the third center of Nabhi opening out is the essence of well-being. Krishna has said “Yogakshemam Vahaamyaham, when you get your realization yoga, then your wellbeing works out automatically, and how it works out? I'll tell you that also but it is not too much. Now, I would say England. England could be very rich if you could get rid of all your black magic and spiritualists from here. This is all witchcraft. As soon as you get rid of them you will be surprised you will be very rich people. It is working on your mind you have become so lethargic. It gives you all kinds of ideas, alcoholism, all that comes from there. There’s no control over yourself, somebody else is leading. You get rid of all these horrible gurus and all these horrible things like black magic and all that witchcraft; you will be rich people no doubt. In our country, those particular provinces, which are really very poor, are infested by these tantrikas, absolutely infested. Bihar, full of tantrikas, then we have got Kerala, it's full of tantrikas, horrible. Bengal are famous, Bengali are famous for tantrikas, but you see they have a certain personal gain so they do these tricks in the name of gaining something out of it. Even some people, even in England I have seen they want to contact their parents and something like that. I mean you should leave them alone now, give them their freedom. Why do you want to contact them? Another thing in the churches to have all these things buried, I mean this is very wrong. I don’t know who told them to bury, I mean this is just the opposite of what Christ would have said. I don’t know where in the Bible it is written that put all of them under the churchyard. It's very wrong, there is no sense in it. Leave them alone and this is what it is. I live very near a church, a very famous church, cathedral and I always bless that church because I'm really worried, little children are walking inside, everybody is walking inside. It's a horrible place, it's a haunted place, absolutely haunted. But there are even worse churches. I mean these are simple things people do not know. Christ has said it clearly. He drove out all the spirits into the pig and all that, isn’t it? You know all about it. We've forgotten Christ; we've forgotten everyone and I don’t know how we have become that modern that we don’t mind crawling upon or walking upon some graves and most of these are dissatisfied souls. They are not simple, normal people, you see. They are very ambitious, some soldiers, or some kings or some sort of horrible people who are laid down there in the church, imagine in the public church. Now let’s see how many people get Sahaja Yoga, how they come up, then we can change things we can understand. See, there are horrible things. Once you are Realized, you will know them better. Such a lot is going on everywhere even in Cambridge. I know for definite these things are here. Just don’t go near them, horrible things. God has nothing to do with it. This is either left side or right side as I said, left side movement or right side. If you go to the left too much then you go into collective subconscious. All those sly people who are dead are there. If you go to the right, you go to the collective supraconscious where there all the ambitious, like Mr. Hitler. What Hitler did the same. Hitler did the same. He used this power to entice people and used them for destruction. It's just mesmerism. We have to understand this. Should we have Realization? All right. Is there any other question? A good question that you asked Me because it's true, many people have written that it harms and all that. It is unauthorized. You see, a person who has to raise the Kundalini has to be a born Realized or a Realized soul. He should know about Kundalini and such a person is a beautiful person, a clean person. He becomes a pure person. After Realization, you yourself will know because you'll start seeing yourself and you’ll start cleansing yourself. The cleanliness will come through Kundalini. You yourself will clean. There won’t be any problem. As once you get out of your car, you can clean it. You can see, you see. I'm not identified with My sari, if the sari is say dirty, I can clean it. But supposing I'm identified then I cannot. This is what happens, just happens automatically. It's the greatest cleanser is this Kundalini. She just washes you; “wash me and I shall be whiter than snow”. That’s what it is. All right. Put your hands like this, please.	null	null	null	Public program. Cambridge (England) 15 July 1980. Don has already spoken so authentically about Self-realization, that some of you must be wondering what sort of a gimmick we are up to. But one has to understand that only a person who is there can talk that authentically, or a person who is a complete hoax. It has to be two extremes. A person, who says maybe, may not be, perhaps, it is so or somebody who sings about his separation and his pains are definitely not there, because if you have met the truth, if you have seen the reality then you speak like Christ, “I am the light, I am the path”. You speak like Shri Krishna, “Sarva Dharman parityajya maam ekam sharanam vraja?" Means "Give up all the religions, religions means outside seeking and follow me". The authenticity comes from the feeling, or we can say the feeling of authenticity itself. Unless and until you have achieved it, you do not speak like that - your language is different. Like, many poets and many even devotees of God have sung the song, “Oh God, when are you going to meet us?” As long as they are singing such songs, then you should know they are not Realized souls. But we have lots of poets, you too have Blake. We had a poet like Kabir. Many poets like this have sung the song where they said, “This is it. You better come up and have it”. And all such people who have spoken like this are the people who have achieved it. We can say in modern times Kahlil Gibran - I’m told you people study. He was one of them. We can say Zen is also the same thing. There are so many people who have said this. Mohammed was the same. All these scriptures which are written after these great incarnations on this earth, all of them are saying the same thing that: they have achieved it and that you have to achieve it. All of them say that, "You are to be reborn". I do not know how in any religion people have given up this idea of being re-born. Nobody has gone to the seeking of it. Especially when they have organized religions, they have never bothered to find out what is it talking about? It is taking about a rebirth even, even in the Bible. Not going to church, coming home and saying your hymns and finished. That can never, never satisfy our spiritual urge, which is much stronger, much more stronger than these kind of little bits of foods given to us. Unless and until we have achieved that goal, we are not going to be satisfied. We have to understood [understand] ourselves and we must have our self-esteem. At least, that what we are wanting is the reality. But there are lots of gimmicks on and you know there are lots of shopping centers on which I have to talk about, which I hate to talk but I have to tell you about. That people are selling these things - everything starts selling. If they find out there are people seeking, they try to sell it. You cannot sell your evolution, can you? How much did you pay to become a human being from a chimpanzee? And how much are you going to pay to become something higher? If it is a living process, you cannot pay for it. Anything that is living, does not know money, does it? Except for human beings, if they are living. I don’t know, once they start knowing money too much, they also dead completely, they also become extremely materialistic matter itself. You cannot purchase it, the first point is. Secondly, you cannot put in effort any effort in it. They’ll say, “Stand on your heads”. By standing on your heads, can you sprout a seed? Some people might say that all right we’ll give you a lecture on this. What lecture can you give to a seed to sprout? It is a spontaneous process, means it is a living process. It is with you born. That’s why it is called Sahaja. Saha means “with”, ja means “born”. It is born with you and if it is going to work out, then you must have some experience of yourself, some knowledge of yourself and your power, your power of yourself should manifest. For some people are trying to fly for example. Now are you going to become birds in next evolutionary process? Or some are hoping like frogs. Now are we going to become frogs? We must think about it. What are we seeking to be? Some people are trying some other tricks like, there is somebody who says that by doing sex you can achieve God. I mean, it is nonsense. Animals are doing that everyday. Are they higher than us? I’m not saying that I’m against it and all that. Whatever is natural and sacred is all right, but the way people are trying to exploit through your brain, through your emotions and through your baser needs. If you have to go higher, means what? What is going to happen? Let us see what psychologists have to say. Jung says that there is something called as Universal Unconscious from where you get universal symbols in our dreams and that is how we know that there is someone who is guiding us. Of course people don’t accept Jung, they want Freud, because that suits you better. But what Freud has given you? Just think of it. He himself died of a very bad cancer. If he had of achieved anything in his own lifetime, he would have shown it. But we do not see the life of a person who preaches. Even I’ve seen people who talk about their gurus. Recently there’s a guru in, I don’t know where he is now. He used to be in England. They found out that he drinks whisky more than the Scotch men do and he has five, six keeps and mistresses. Still they are following him. He said he is above all sins so what does it matter and they are all becoming above sins like this, you see. So, we should not be in delusion about ourselves. If you are really seeking and if you are really wanting it then it is going to work out. It is going to work out first for the people who are of that caliber, not for people who are not of that caliber. If you have come here to sort of find out what sort of a lady is this and all that, I am sorry sir I cannot work it out. You have to come here with the idea of getting it. For one thing you should know you are not paying Me anything. It is you who has come to take something from Me. I am not going to take anything from you. I have come to give you something. So the question of examining Me and judging Me does not come because there’s no shop running. You see our mentality is that of a purchaser going to a shop. We’ll see how it works out and that and that. Here nothing is selling - first and foremost thing. Secondly, it is a spontaneous process. It is the cashing of the check as I say of all your good deeds and of your past life and your seeking. If you are a true seeker it works out. It works out despite all mistakes people have committed. I have seen some people who were supposed to be very much gone down, some people came to Me in coma also got Realization, people who took to drugs and were absolutely in it have overcome it and now beautiful…. Because all these things human beings do because they are bored of themselves. Mostly it is done because of boredom or sometimes because of the fashions around - everybody is taking, “Let’s try”. But actually human beings that I see are nothing but their Spirit. Their sparkling Spirit in their hearts, which is so beautiful like a diamond. I see that. I see the clouds that cover it. I see you otherwise also but I know with My love I’ll be able to remove those clouds. Now these people who are taking about God and organizing religions and also people who are talking about giving you something like Realization and every sort of word that I say, they must be saying. I’m sure about it. They have used all My language. When I went to America first you see, people told Me, “Mother you better get your lectures registered or something like that”. I said, “why?” They said, “ They will print this and they will use this, they’ll write books”. I said, “very good. Let the ideas move, but can they give realization? Let them speak about Kundalini, but can they do it?” It’s good idea. Very good way, they are really propagating My ideas to people. It’s easier that way. Let them do it and that’s how the market is full with all the same words that I am saying to you. But actualization of the experience, raising of the Kundalini is only done by a person who is authorized. Any Dick, Tom, Harry cannot do it. Now you may say, “Why You Mother?” Now what to do. I can only do it. For example, if you have a professor say of mathematics, he’s the only one who can teach you mathematics. You don’t feel bad about it do you? I don’t know that. I don’t know even how to drive a car. I don’t know how to reach Cambridge, even to direct it. So, you know so many more things than I know. I know only one thing and that is you are your spirit and that you have the power to become that. These are very simple things of life, which I know and if I know that, for that why should you feel hurt? It’s My job, it’s My job, I have to do it and that’s why I am doing it. And one should understand that there is someone, there can be someone who does it out of love. Need not be for anything, just for love’s sake because love is the most powerful thing. You have no idea about love. We have never used the power of love so far; it’s all power of hatred. All your nations, all your organizations are nothing but handful of people who hate each other. They form a government, they form a democracy or a communism and this and that nonsense, just to fight. They don’t know the power of love, which is the most dynamic power. The pure love of God, the divine power of love is all-pervading. Now whatever I’m saying I’m going to prove it to you. I’m not just telling you a story. It is going to be proved and you are going to find it out whatever I’m saying is true or not. You are going to also find out that you are that Spirit. That you are that beautiful thing I’m taking and once you achieve your spirit you become collectively conscious. You become again I say. I’m not saying you have to become, We are all brothers and sisters. You just become. It just happens in your awareness; it just enlightens your awareness, in such a way that you start feeling another person. Now, as the things are today, we know there are many diseases we do not know the cure of that. For example, cancer. Cancer is a disease people are really frightened of. Now I must tell you, I have been telling this for ten years and I have done the curing of cancer that Sahajayoga is the only way cancer can be cured. There’s no way out. You have to get your Kundalini awakened. If you do not get your Kundalini awakened, maybe you might be a prey to some of these forces, may be the physical problem, maybe the mental problem because there are these evil forces let loose. They’re around this mass hypnosis that took place of the children. Nobody can explain that but I know that. So many people committed suicide you know in… Which country was that? Vienna? Yes all that was nothing but the same. Psychologists are still children and unauthorized, they do not know what people can do on your minds and how things can work out, how these evil forces are working. On one side is this, the another side, your projection of your mind, projection of your brain. So-called rationality without wisdom has no sense at all. You rationalize - everything is rationalized. What’s wrong, even killing your own mother. What’s wrong? Can you explain? It goes on like this, whatever you do. What’s wrong? At the most you’ll go to jail, all right. It’s all right but nothing wrong in it. With rationality, you can rationalize all kinds of wars and everything, so the other projection moves. Your brain projection, which is linear, moves like this and comes back onto human beings. All these big civilizations you have created and these big advancements you have made and what has happened? People are committing suicide.For example, we had some people from Sweden, young girls at least seventeen, eighteen. Oh they were studying in Cambridge, I must tell you, they were studying in Cambridge, they came to Caxton hall and their vibrations were so bad that I had to call them at home, just like dead bodies. I said, “ what’s the matter with these people?” Young girls of seventeen, eighteen, I called them home, I talked to them and I found that they were planning all the time how to commit suicide. Seventeen, eighteen-year-old human beings who are created after thousands and thousands of years of work - so delicate and beautiful and what they are doing is nothing to commit suicide? But now I am told Switzerland is competing with Sweden, which is supposed to be the most affluent country. So what is happening with your advancement, you must also have a little re-thinking about it. Is that going to give us happiness? Is that really going to solve our problems? We are running away from it. We are running away from it. Why? There must be something wrong in this and what is wrong in this is that we have not paid any attention to our spirit. That is the source of joy. Today you find thousands and thousands of people are seeking a-mas. Of course some are in fashion but so many are genuinely seeking no doubt. They may seek it in drugs, may seek it in gurus, anywhere but they are definitely genuinely seeking. Of that I’m sure. I have seen that happening. Now why this seeking has suddenly come up on a-mas level? It used to be individualistic, one or two people used to seek, say about twelve thousand years back, there’s a mention of one gentleman going to Raja Janaka and asking him the knowledge of Self. And he was put into so much of testing and all that and ultimately he was given his self-realization. So why today, there is such a seeking everywhere? Because it was to be. Today is the time of confusion. It’s called as Ghor Kaliyuga means the blackest time. Blackest modern times where the kali rules and it was promised that at this time there will be such a lot of confusion that people will start seeking and the seeking will be blessed and that is what is happening through Sahaja Yoga. It is all been prophesized and the prophecy has to be fulfilled. Now for you people, I have to tell you about Kundalini because you must be anxious to know about it and talk about it. But the knowledge of Kundalini is something very subjective in the sense that if you come in this room and it’s a dark room, if I tell you about it - about the electricity, its history and the one who invented it and how it was brought to Cambridge and who started the first one, you’ll get a headache. Instead of that I can tell you, you come in and put on the light. Simplest thing is to put on the light and if you can put on the light you can see for yourself that what is all this going on here. Otherwise, it’s such a headache to go round and round on that subject.Now I’ve seen some people have written such big books on Kundalini. Most amazingly, who have no idea of Kundalini at all, absolutely zero. Some of them are saying, see the book is like this: some people say the Kundalini is in the stomach, some say it is in the brain, some say it is in the lower portion of the body. Now, if such a thing is to be written what others are saying, you can write even such a big book. But there is no definite thing about anything written in this book of (Mister Aven?), which is such a huge thing. Now there are so many other books also which have been written by Indians, the great, you see. Indians are… I hope there are no Indians here. Indians are very good at manipulating things, I must tell you and I am one of them and you have to take them always with a pinch of salt. Because if they are genuine, they can be absolutely genuine, but if they want to be crooked they can be first class crooks. The reason is this: India is a yogabhoomi, is a great country of good vibrations you can say - a vibration where lots of great saints are born, so the whole place is vibrating. I mean if you get our realization you will see yourself what I am saying is true or not. So in a country like that only two extremes are born: either very good or the very nasty. The very nasty are born to topple down the play of divine. Now in India people having a certain sense you see, they are having a certain sense of wisdom, I should say Indians to understand who are the crooks, you see because we know all these tricks of the crooks. So now they being exported from India to other countries and these people are more interested in your purse, so they are not interested in poor Indians. So, they are all abroad and they are very nicely enjoying their life here, which you cannot enjoy. Already, they have got their heaven here and their, and your purse and they are enjoying it. But because of your naïve, because of your naivety, I would say, because you are insensitive to spirituality, it happens. If you were a sensitive person, you would have known that they are crooks. You are seekers, you are very genuine but you are extremely simple. And this is the naïve is the word for that because Indians know who is a crook. Of course, some foolish Indians, may run after a man who gives them a diamond. He doesn’t give to poor, he gives to a rich man a diamond. If he gives one diamond he takes ten diamonds from that fellow by mesmerizing him. All these tricks of the trade are known to Indians. At least to elderly people of My age group but the younger people still are westernized, you see. So the westernized are getting sophisticated and they have some place for these gurus who are trying to befool them. Now for you people I’m just telling you that you face the truth as it is. You should have that scientific outlook is to keep yourself open. Just see for yourself. Do not deny it, do not accept it blindly but let it work out. If it works out you will see the results. Then after R,ealization takes place, when the Kundalini rises and breaks the Sahasrara at this point, the baptism takes place in the actual way. Not through a theological college fellow, but through a real spontaneous happening then you start seeing for yourself and you have to maintain it and you have to work it out. So this is a compromise between you and Me. I am going to tell you something about Kundalini but that also you do not take up too much seriously. You see for yourself. It would be something like this: you are sitting in this room and I say that reality is in the other room. So I said, you say, “all right, show us the photographs first of all.” So I show you the photographs. Then you say, “All right, you tell us about it” I tell you everything about it. Still, you have to go to that room. Unless and until you go to that room, all this is useless and meaningless. So even if I tell you about this, that’s not the last word. This is all because you so fond of lectures. I have been giving now three hundred and I don’t know how many I have already given lectures you see. I have been lecturing. I just now have been driving down from London straight here and another lecture is here. But all right, lecture gives you an opening, and apart from that, your rationality is little bit satisfied that Mataji can speak English is something all right and all these things. But again you have to go to the other room to see the reality is the point. So that’s one thing is that you should be prepared to go there. Now if you are egoistical, I’m sorry, it will show. We know where ego is. I mean those who are realized know your ego. Some people have even like Napoleon even, bigger than that you see, like a balloon and it comes they are hard completely. They are heartless also. I’ve seen such egoistical people in modern times that history could not have produced such. I mean he maybe an ordinary man somewhere, absolutely uneducated, but he could be so clownish that you can’t understand from where did he could get this ego. So this modern time, specially in advanced countries, it sort of nourishes your ego. Every walk of life, you see the advertisement how they nourish your ego by saying things. So all this works out towards ego. Now the superego is also there, where we are so much conditioned, specially in a place like Cambridge. Now your university, you have a library. You read all kinds of books from black magic to third eye to fifth eye, everything you have read so far. So that is all going into your superego and you have a problem with that. So all these problems are within you apart from your physical problems are there, then your family problems are there. There are basic problems of not getting love from your mother, father and all these things are there. All these problems are within you and that’s how these centers maybe little difficult, but doesn’t matter, I’m going to work it out, I’ve worked it out on thousands and it is going to work it out in you. I’m very hopeful. Now England, I always call it the heart – heart of the universe. If the Kundalini is in India, the heart is in England and it’s the English wisdom that is going to do the job. I have all hopes about it because they are not shifty like Americans and they are not stern like I mean rock of Gibraltar I call them, (“jabals”?) So it’s something in between. Of course rather difficult to crack but once they are done they are very good and excellent. Now we have a person like Don and a person so many like that you see, who have really contributed so much, so much to Sahaja Yog that you will be amazed and how their lives are transformed and how they have become beautiful, I cannot tell you. I really just see them and feel so happy, that they are enjoying themselves and they are now giving realizations to others and giving them their own meaning. We have to find our own meaning, we have to find our own wholesomeness and we have to find out our absolute point. Because of relative living, we are confused. Once we have got it, then you get the absolute knowledge about which I will tell you little later when I’ve told you about the Kundalini. Now, here it’s a small map, our big map has not come but still you can see for yourself, is in the triangular bone called as “sacrum”, we have got this residual force or we can call the primule. What is it in ordinary English word primule? We can say the germinating part of the seed in the triangular bone, which is called as “sacrum”. Now this sacrum is the bone which never burns - even the whole body burns out. That’s why the Greeks called it a sacrum, means a sacred bone. They did know the Kundalini existed, maybe knowing, I don’t know but they called it a sacred bone. Just imagine how it has worked. Now, this triangular bone contains that energy which is coiled in three and a half coils. Now it has a significance - three and a half coil. That of course I do not want to go into mathematics about it but later on sometimes you will know. Above that, these centers that are placed, all of them, six of them and one below it, seven centers are actually the milestones of our evolutionary process. For example, the center here now is the center when human beings raise their heads from the animal stage to become human beings. At that stage this center came into full force. When this center came into full force, a new thing happened into human beings which does not happen into animals is that we achieved our freedom. Now I’ll tell you in medical terminology how we have achieved our freedom. What we see here are three lines if you see carefully. On the left hand side is the first line, blue colored line, which is the line which shows our power of desire. This is the one which is the 'psyche'. This is the one which conditions us, this is the one by which we live in our past. This is our desire. The second power, that is the yellow colored one is the power to create, is power of action. So we use for this power our brain as well as our body. This is the power that takes us to our future. We plan for our future and things like that so this is the line that is for our future. In the center you see another line, which is actually broken at a point - at a void we call it. I mean the Zen Void, do not confuse with it: this is Sahaja Yoga Void is. So, this central line which is there, is the line by which we sustain. By which we come from amoeba to human stage. This is how we evolve. Sustenance is our quality. For example, gold has a sustenance. Gold is untarnishable. In the same way, human beings also have got a sustenance by which you know what is a human being. How can you make out an animal and a human being? Very simple method you should tell me grandmothers. How do you make out an animal and an…. very simple is put them in a dirty bin. One would run away, another would sit down. So, the human beings are at this stage when they raised their head became human beings and because of that these two powers - left and right powers, which were acting within us, started producing a kind of a balloon in the head called as ego and superego. The one which is the conditioning, another is the ego. These two institutions developed into our heads and formed a very thick covering here. When this bone which was a soft bone in our childhood is called as a fontanel bone became solidified, calcified and we became a separate entity, like you are Mr. so, you are Mrs. so, you are this and that. That’s how you have achieved your freedom as Adam and Eve have achieved. Now you are a different person, you are a different person. Every human being is made a separate person and independent person. The reason was that, at this stage, it was not possible to go further with evolution without giving you freedom to choose what is good and what is bad. This experience you had to have within you and that’s why it was done in this way that the ego and superego, both the institutions were created in your brain and you were given your freedom and that’s how you have become a separate entity. Once you have become the separate entity you started choosing - this is good or that is bad. But as human beings are, their attention goes out. That’s also a reason which I cannot tell just now but the reason goes out. There’s a parallelogram of forces works out. Our attention goes out. If I tell you to put your attention inside you cannot. It’s always out. Attention cannot go inside and that is the reason because attention goes out. It has an action and a reaction and this ego starts bloating and this superego also starts bloating and the more you have it, the less you have your heart. Now when these three things I’m telling you about, you do not see them in medical sciences but you see them as expressed as gross nervous systems called as left and right sympathetic nervous systems and in the center is the parasympathetic. Now what you see outside is the gross form, inside is the subtle thing. Now when you raise the Kundalini you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini. Not in everyone or those people who have a problem in the second center called as the Nabhi center or the third center also called as the Swadishtana. Swadishtana you can call it second or third depending on its position. So if there is a problem on these centers you find the Kundalini trying to pulsate and in some people we have seen it so fast, I mean we have taken pictures and we have got also some films of that the way Kundalini moves in the triangular bone. Now one has to know that this cannot be done by any human effort. I mean somebody says, “You jump on your head, you will get to God”. That’s very easy to do. Somebody says, “Stand on your head”. That also with practice you can do. Somebody says, “You hop and go a little higher with hoping you can do it”. But with that your Kundalini won’t rise. Then you can see with your naked eyes the Kundalini rising in some people who have obstructions, but with the stethoscope you can hear the sound of heart in the Kundalini area and in the backbone. You can see it and it reaches here. You can hear also on this area that sound. It is described by Kabira, “Shunya shikarapara ana hada vajiye ”. It is all described by all those people who are Realized souls. But we do not read them, we read horrible people like this Lampa Sampa what is his name is with the third eye business? We never read the real authentic people like Shankara. We do not read people like Kabira and Nanaka. Christ, who says, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames”. Now what is that? What is that? That is the same as the centers. They really look like flames pulsating. You can see them clearly. Now these centers are within us and when the Kundalini awakens she enriches them, integrates them completely and when She crosses this center, this is the center of Christ. This is the center of Christ between the pituitary and the pineal body where the crossing of the optic chiasma. There’s a very subtle center, which you cannot see with your naked eyes, which is called as Agnya chakra. And when the Kundalini crosses that you become absolutely thoughtlessly aware. You are aware, you are listening to Me but there is no thought coming from ego or superego. Actually, we either live in the past or the future. The thought rises, falls off, another thought rises and falls off. Sometimes we see the thought coming in. So we jump from thoughts to thoughts and thoughts but in the center is the present. There we cannot stop. So these thoughts are coming into us. When the Kundalini rises in the center you stop at the present moment, means you become absolutely thoughtless. You are listening to Me but there is no thought coming to you from inside. That’s called as Nirvichar Samadhi. Samadhi means enlightened, enlightened awareness. It doesn’t mean death. Some people think that somebody is dead is Samadhi. I mean everybody is going to die – a dog, cat and a human being. What is there in a Samadhi? I don’t understand why death is so much worshipped by people and they think by dying only they are going to achieve something great. Nobody dies actually even if you try to kill yourself you will be back here like a (bad??) penny. It’s not easy to die that way so it’s better not to try such tricks you see, because that’s a very dangerous stuff. Now, when the Kundalini rises She integrates you because She goes through your mental, physical, emotional being and you get integration. When She crosses this, you get thoughtlessly aware, but when She pierces this, She touches, touches your spark of spirit, which is actually residing in the heart but the seat is here. And then you start feeling the cool breeze in the hand blowing, coming out. And this cool breeze is described by Shankara in so many books. Even in the Bible it is called as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Even in the Quran it is called as Ruh. This is what one has to feel is a cool breeze, which blows from your hand and you know the energy is flowing. Now you have become a hollow personality and the breeze has started blowing from your hand. Now with this breeze, you can maneuver it, you know how to handle it, you can give realizations to others, you can cure people just touching them and you can also feel others because you see there on the fingers, these five fingers. We have got seven centers- one, two, three, four… We have got seven centers – one, two, three, four, five, six and seven. These are the seven centers of the right hand and there are the seven centers of the left hand. So you start feeling your sympathetic centers and you know where is the problem, and also everything is decoded by which you know where is the problem. For example, we have one Cambridge graduate who has done his, Kevin has done his archeology, archeology very sensible man, and he once he got his realization - but still you know as the ramblings are of the western mind you see, he was still thinking how can it be, Mother said it is universal. So one day he told Me, “Mother I am burning here. What's that, that? What does that mean?” I said, “these are all the centers of your father, and this finger is for the throat, so your father must be down with bronchitis”. These are My words. He telephoned to his mother in My presence and father was not there. Mother came on the phone and she said that, sorry, father is down with bronchitis. The same sentence. He was amazed and we could cure him sitting down there. He knew about Nick's son, he knew about all of them - their Kundalini. We are not worried about their political position but where is their Kundalini? Where are their chakras? What are they catching? If they are catching this means what? All is decoded - every knowledge about it is given to you absolutely with love. The power of love is here and left and right side movement in your being takes you to these satanic forces which are let loose. Either they could be very ambitious or they could be very sly. You have to achieve this position of supreme love and you will be amazed how dynamic it is. Of course, I would say, Kundalini has been described since thousands of years, but the time has come for you to see the a-mas manifestation of the world, because the time of blossom has come. When the tree is just beginning, it has only one or two flowers. But when the blossom time comes, thousands of flowers can be converted because the time has come. I would say this is the last judgment. God is not going to make you sit on some winged pan and see what weight you have got. It's the Kundalini, which is going to rise. She is the one who is going to say what are you. And that is how the judgment has already started. You will see for yourself how one can judge another person - not on what dress he is wearing, how he is walking, whether heavy weight or low weight or tall or short, but on the Kundalini. How far he is there, how far he is the spirit. That is being judged by their vibrations. Vibrations are such absolute things. If you want to ask any question. Say you want to ask, “Is there God?” Ask such a question even now, you will get it. You will be surprised. Like a computer you start working. You will be amazed all your questions are answered. For example, Stonehenge . People do not know what it is like. I know what it is, I went there, these are the stones, which are thrown by the Mother Earth. We have many like that in our country. We saw the vibrations. I said, “Sahaja Yogis, now feel the vibrations”. Then later on people tried to cover them up and do all these things, but actually they are the stones thrown by the Mother Earth and it is written in the ten commandments, “whatever is created by Mother Earth or by the skies are not to be reproduced”. Now what are these things? ...Are not to be worshipped. Now what are these things? We never think about these things. What are these things, which are produced by the Mother Earth, which are created by the Mother Earth? These are the stones, special type of stones, which have a co-efficience to throw vibrations. We have so many of them, but we have that sensitivity to know them, we have built up temples on top of that. It's not statue worship it’s the worship of the real vibrations coming out. It's a very deep science one has to understand, which integrates all the religions of the world and gives you a complete light over all the scriptures. Nothing is false, nothing is wrong. These dogmatic, horrible people who wanted to make money out of it or some sort of a power out of it, have worked it out in a wrong way. These are all the flowers of one tree. They have removed all the flowers from these trees and have made it ugly.So when you have this realization, you reach that absolute point from where you get all your absolute answers and the feeling is of complete relaxation and joy. Joy is not a thing, which is happiness and unhappiness. From your ego you get happiness. People say “I went there, I felt very happy” You go to a pub, you feel very happy too, but some people say “I felt very unhappy”- that is superego. Joy is in between, it's complete, it's silent, it works, it co-ordinates, it loves and joy is the knowledge. Let's try if it works out with you people, but minimum please put your hands towards Me and both the feet. If you are not going to do it, you have to go back, because this is not proper to do that way, isn’t it? You have not come here for anything else but to get realization so better to go. This is it. All right, thank you. Question: The fact that there are only certain people who can have authority to awaken the Kundalini. Mother: what do you mean? Question: what do you mean by certain people? Mother: There are some people who have this power in them, flowing in them, you see. That's what I mean - it’s very simple. Those who do not have this power flowing in them, have no authority to raise Kundalini. For example, a person who has the authority is a Realized soul and such a person is above temptations. He is a very pure person, he is a person of love, he is a very sensible man, has to be. He is a higher type of a personality. Now, we have some people, you see, who are very Realized souls in India also I know them, also in Rangoon there is someone. They are everywhere and we have known many people and I have seen people like (Bishapercly?) was a Realized soul too. But, some of them do not know what is Kundalini is. They are just born like that and they are different type of people and they go against all kinds of dogmas and fight it and all that but they don’t know what is working it out, you see. They are not aware of their own awareness, you see. Then some people are, of course, there are some people who know about these things and also they work out Kundalini, but for example now you will be amazed here, fifty percent people are here sitting who can raise the Kundalini who are Realized souls, fifty percent people are here in this hall, so it can work out. So far, you see, those who are in the market, I should say, I have not seen even one who has been. But those who are hiding themselves are Realized souls , lots of them are there. And they came to see Me and I went to see them and I mean, we are one unison. And their idea about people is very funny and they think that you people will harm them and you will never listen to them because you like circus and you like all artificial things and you have always crucified people who have been truthful. You have always murdered them, you have always given them poison like Socrates or Mohammed-sahib. So, they are literally frightened of coming down and they have told Me Mother that, "You work for twelve years then we will come down". Now already ten years I worked. So, two years later, I hope they are willing to come down. Some of them have lost their limbs and suffering quite a lot. It has been a very sad thing but do, people do go to them, see them and sometimes once in a year they (bring?) people. But still, you see, one of them I asked him to go down to America just to try. He was there, he came all the way and went to America, he ran back, he just couldn’t bear it there. He said, "They are horrible people, I mean they have no sense of anything. They are absolutely in Hell. How can I do anything there?" I mean, you have to have patience, you have to understand that they are in a turmoil, they are beautiful people, they are seekers they are saints but they are so much mislead by these Gurus, you see their Kundalinis are spoilt, their chakras are spoilt, so many problems are there you see. So, you have to have a Mother, what to do. All right, it’s a right question. (unclear/christ?) Because some people try all kinds of tricks and they get burning and blistering and all that. It is like a knife, a villager coming and putting his hand into the plug and saying that, “I got a shock from the electricity, electricity is shock giving”. It is like that. You have to be authorized, your character is different, your style is different, you become a different person. Once you are realized, you'll be amazed your priorities will change completely. Absolutely, your priorities will be very different. Question: (unclear)Mother: Never, Never – no, no. You can never use it for anything wrong. Actually, what happens, the lowest chakra has got a deity called as Shri Ganesha. It’s the deity actually of innocence, it is that deity incarnated as Christ. Christ is the embodiment of innocence, I feel. That's the most powerful thing a human being has is innocence, you see. And he sits there and anybody who tries to enter through these wrong paths you see, it is he who gets into temper, you see, and he sort of throws his heat on the sympathetic nervous system. And when that heat crosses like that then you get all these things of people start screaming and shouting and all that because that deity knows who is who, that deity knows and the Kundalini also knows. But Kundalini itself, She is your mother can you think- not only in this life but in many lives, She has been loving you, She has been with you, She has been guarding you, She has been looking after and how can She harm you? And She will never take you to wrong paths, never, no question but because of this kind of behaviour, it happens. But how people work it out in a wrong way also, I'll tell you in short because it's a very big subject. Have you got some books from there? Could you bring some “Advent ? There is a very big book. He is a Swiss scholar, French-speaking Swiss, he has written a good book about kundalini and about My work, it's called as “Advent”, nobody has it? If you place your orders they will give you one, all of you should have that. In that I have explained, I mean through him that how people work out these black magic’s and things you see, which is wrong. What they do, say for example, you have a deity or you can say you have the presence of some person like that, say My photograph itself has vibrations, for example here. Now this photograph if you keep it here and if you start misbehaving or say doing something which is insulting to this photograph. The attention in this photograph will stay for a while otherwise, then it disappears. You'll find the photograph will become black and the attention will go away and there won’t be any vibrations coming, sort of it slipped off, sleeps off the thing. Now, that area where the photograph is becomes like a vacuum for all the divine vibrations and all the divinity. Then that portion they use for calling all the spirits and all these things. It’s a very elaborate method. They go to the cemeteries and all these things and call the spirits. Supposing some very ambitious man dies, immediately they go to his pyre and find out his body, bones and something and work it out in such a way that his Spirit hovers around and they use it. And, so you will find that in temple say of a Goddess or a temple - I would say now I 've been to your “Notre Dame” [in Paris]. It's a temple where there is a statue of Mary and Christ and that is vibrated, you'll be amazed, that statue is vibrated. There are many statues like that but one of them - that is vibrated. Now, say they can work it out in that temple, if they come to know about it you see. So, they go to a temple like that if they know there are vibrations and that's a deity is living. So, what they do is to do something like that, by which the attention of the deity goes [away] and they get a place there. They will do puja and thing like that and say mantras by which they use that place for their own purpose and once they have used their purpose, then the whole thing becomes bad. Even mantras, if they are not enlightened this is unauthorized. For example, supposing somebody gives you the name of “Rama”. Actually, in Sahaja Yoga, there is nothing like mantras, only what you have to know is the centers and you should know what are the deities and what thing can awaken the deities and where is the Kundalini and which one is to be used. So, it is moving from station to station, so you have to know everything. It is moves very fast in Sahaja Yoga, but otherwise in former days, the Kundalini used to move very slowly from one station to another station. So, a Realized soul would give a mantra to that person that you are now supposing at Nabhi, so he will give you a mantra of Nabhi so that the Nabhi is cleared out and the Kundalini rises higher. But it has to be a Realized soul otherwise the mantra is not also awakened and it has no connection with the deity, it is unauthorized. So what they do, supposing somebody gives you a mantra of Rama, who is not authorized and he gives you a mantra of Rama. It is like some policeman trying to do some policeman, who is not a policeman, trying to do something like a policeman - unauthorized. So he tells you that, "All right, you take the name of Rama". Now he is not authorized, he does not know the protocol; there is no connection he has with Rama. So when he gives you the name of Rama, you start taking the name of Rama. Now this Rama, you cannot approach the real one. So, somebody, a man who died with the name of Rama, is a Rama, you see, these busy bodies, he comes into it, then he does all these material tricks, something like say, moving this place, this one from there to there, or suddenly locking the door. I mean God does not have this interest. Why should you try to do these things? Removing things from here to there or sort of even they can kill you. They can do it, they tried all these things, killing people, they put you into mass hysteria they do, all kinds, I mean there are so many varieties. ESP is also the same. Even some people get this hunch, “Oh, that you better not go”. This is also the same. These are all busy bodies, it all works out in them, it does no doubt. So many things are like that - they work it out. So, that is not actually God's work. Like, I would say in India we had prohibition one you see, under Gita book was used for smuggling. Can you imagine? They used to print big Gita books and inside was hollow and they would put the brandy bottles from say Scotland inside and cover it up and nobody would open a Gita book to see that was brandy, but that is the best way to smuggle it out. So they used God to smuggle out all that is horrible. That's what they managed, but it can never be used for bad . Whatever is good is good, whatever taste's sweet, taste's sweet. It does not do any harm to you. Only thing is, when you are Realized and you do not establish your Realization, your vibrations are lost again. Once you have established it, it is there. When you go away from the attention of the divine, then you do suffer in the sense that you do not have vibrations and you feel again the same thing, uneasiness, you feel tension and this, that. But when you have vibrations, you are absolutely relaxed, you are very happy, your health is all right, also your wealth is all right, materially you improve, but not you don’t become Mr. Ford , you become a satisfied person because of the third center of Nabhi opening out is the essence of well-being. Krishna has said “Yogakshemam Vahaamyaham, when you get your realization yoga, then your wellbeing works out automatically, and how it works out? I'll tell you that also but it is not too much. Now, I would say England. England could be very rich if you could get rid of all your black magic and spiritualists from here. This is all witchcraft. As soon as you get rid of them you will be surprised you will be very rich people. It is working on your mind you have become so lethargic. It gives you all kinds of ideas, alcoholism, all that comes from there. There’s no control over yourself, somebody else is leading. You get rid of all these horrible gurus and all these horrible things like black magic and all that witchcraft; you will be rich people no doubt. In our country, those particular provinces, which are really very poor, are infested by these tantrikas, absolutely infested. Bihar, full of tantrikas, then we have got Kerala, it's full of tantrikas, horrible. Bengal are famous, Bengali are famous for tantrikas, but you see they have a certain personal gain so they do these tricks in the name of gaining something out of it. Even some people, even in England I have seen they want to contact their parents and something like that. I mean you should leave them alone now, give them their freedom. Why do you want to contact them? Another thing in the churches to have all these things buried, I mean this is very wrong. I don’t know who told them to bury, I mean this is just the opposite of what Christ would have said. I don’t know where in the Bible it is written that put all of them under the churchyard. It's very wrong, there is no sense in it. Leave them alone and this is what it is. I live very near a church, a very famous church, cathedral and I always bless that church because I'm really worried, little children are walking inside, everybody is walking inside. It's a horrible place, it's a haunted place, absolutely haunted. But there are even worse churches. I mean these are simple things people do not know. Christ has said it clearly. He drove out all the spirits into the pig and all that, isn’t it? You know all about it. We've forgotten Christ; we've forgotten everyone and I don’t know how we have become that modern that we don’t mind crawling upon or walking upon some graves and most of these are dissatisfied souls. They are not simple, normal people, you see. They are very ambitious, some soldiers, or some kings or some sort of horrible people who are laid down there in the church, imagine in the public church. Now let’s see how many people get Sahaja Yoga, how they come up, then we can change things we can understand. See, there are horrible things. Once you are Realized, you will know them better. Such a lot is going on everywhere even in Cambridge. I know for definite these things are here. Just don’t go near them, horrible things. God has nothing to do with it. This is either left side or right side as I said, left side movement or right side. If you go to the left too much then you go into collective subconscious. All those sly people who are dead are there. If you go to the right, you go to the collective supraconscious where there all the ambitious, like Mr. Hitler. What Hitler did the same. Hitler did the same. He used this power to entice people and used them for destruction. It's just mesmerism. We have to understand this. Should we have Realization? All right. Is there any other question? A good question that you asked Me because it's true, many people have written that it harms and all that. It is unauthorized. You see, a person who has to raise the Kundalini has to be a born Realized or a Realized soul. He should know about Kundalini and such a person is a beautiful person, a clean person. He becomes a pure person. After Realization, you yourself will know because you'll start seeing yourself and you’ll start cleansing yourself. The cleanliness will come through Kundalini. You yourself will clean. There won’t be any problem. As once you get out of your car, you can clean it. You can see, you see. I'm not identified with My sari, if the sari is say dirty, I can clean it. But supposing I'm identified then I cannot. This is what happens, just happens automatically. It's the greatest cleanser is this Kundalini. She just washes you; “wash me and I shall be whiter than snow”. That’s what it is. All right. Put your hands like this, please.
7/17/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6723	Seeking the Force That Drives Us	England	Wellingborough	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	42	Public Program. Northampton (UK), 17 July 1980. Our life's journey is also like this. We don't know how to find our way. We are traveling and we are seeking. The seeking is the force, which drives us sometimes crazy. We don't know what to do. We have to seek something. We are not satisfied with what we have. So we go on seeking. [Now, And] what are we seeking? We have no idea as to what we have to seek, a thing that will give us satisfaction, the place which will stop our journey, our abode where we would rest. This urge within us is very evident in the modern time. It was never so [unclear: clear]. This is the first time you find so many people are seeking. And they are genuinely seeking. They feel that there is something lurking in their being, there is something that is missing in them. It is being said in the Scriptures, in all the Scriptures, whether Indian, Islamic or Biblical, that to be there you have to be born again. In Gita Shri Krishna says, "Those who see, can see. Those who cannot see, cannot see." "Ya sha pashyati sa pashyati." The one who cannot see cannot see. It's a simple thing. But to a normal human being, we can't understand that, "I can see everything. Why can't I see? I see the colors, I see the room, I see everything." Why it is said that those who can see can see and those who cannot see cannot see? It's a very mysterious statement. Supposing I say that in these petals there are lots of cells and it's divided into many cells. Then you will say, "No, we see them. There are only petals. We don't see any cells." So you require a microscope. You have to make a section of that and under the microscope you can see there are cells. You can see the cells clearly under the microscope. All that is material you can see with your material life. But there is something else about which these people are talking that you have to see it through your Spirit. It gets satisfied by itself. [Hindi] "The Spirit gets satisfied by itself." These sayings sound extremely mysterious [to us]. But if I say, "This room is dark. Come inside and you can see," but you come inside, you find it's still dark. You can't see anything. So somebody puts on the light and you see everything. This is also outside us, putting the light, microscope. This is paroksha, is the outside, by which your material life can be projected more. You can see more. But if I say you have to see inside, you can't turn your eyes back to see inside. That you cannot do. Now, what is the method by which you can see inside or feel inside or go inside? Through our eyes our attention goes out. We see everything. But supposing tomorrow something topples down. Immediately our attention is attracted towards that happening. So inside us there must be some arrangement for this happening that must be attracting our attention inside and that's how we must be going inside. We have evolved from amoeba to this stage. We are human beings. Our evolution has come through our attention fixed outside. The happening has to go inside. But the evolution so far has been by going outside. Like some fishes felt the land and tried to crawl out and they became the reptiles. The reptiles wanted to run fast so they developed four legs as a tortoise. As animals they could not eat; so they raised their head. Things at the height they could not see, so they raised their body more. So all the evolution so far has come through the urge of seeking only, but it has been outside. We have been seeking food, as human beings we are seeking power, we have been seeking money, possessions, comfort. But now the seeking has to go within. For example, when we are building a house we build all the outside and everything properly. When it is all done outside then you go inside and start decorating. In the same way you have to go inside to achieve the last breakthrough. For example, we have made a fortress for ourselves and we have to enter inside the fortress to enjoy it. We have to penetrate inside the house to enjoy it. But our attention is outside. We cannot go inside. So something has to happen that you are to be sucked in. Some sort of a vacuum is created inside by which you are sucked in. It's a beautiful arrangement which has been sahaja, means spontaneously growing within us. Like a seed has all the map of the tree it has to become. It does not have to consult A to Z or anything. It has its own map, and it grows on that map spontaneously. In the same way our being has been growing spontaneously since we were just matter, lifeless matter. Gradually it was sprouting and we reached the stage where today we are human beings. But that's not the end because if it was we would have known our meaning, you would have known why we are here. Now the happening takes place through the awakening of this Kundalini. It is placed in the triangular bone. It is there. You can see with your naked eyes it is there. We are here to tell you the message that now this last evolutionary process which has to take place has started. Like every instrument has to be prepared first of all and put to the mains so the electricity starts flowing through it and starts manifesting. In the same way your instrument has been created so beautifully and the electricity, that they call as the divine power of love of God, has to flow through you. To connect you to that power very beautifully God Almighty has placed this energy of Kundalini in your triangular bone. I say this is the power of divine love. There are so many powers we know of, of course apart from the material powers we had. We know that there are people who are indulging into all kinds of subconscious powers, into all kinds of supraconscious powers, because a person can just make these flowers gather together sitting down here. A person can just break this with one hand. But do you get anything out of that? If it is your living process of germination, do you get any transformation out of it? Supposing somebody breaks this, so what? We can otherwise also break it, if you put it to some electrical [you can break it / it's how you can get it]. If somebody is sitting down here collects the flowers, so what? If anybody has any such powers, they are all outside powers. The electricity has to flow inside. So to have your own power you individually has to be connected to the mains. What's the use of seeing somebody else's powers also? Best thing is you are your own guru and you have your own powers. For example, when this thing is not lighted it looks as if it has no power. But as soon as it is lighted you find there is light coming in. It can burn. Not only it can give you light but it can burn. It can melt. It has all the powers of fire as soon as it is enlightened. Potentially it has all the powers but it was not aware of it. In the same way whatever potential powers you have got we have to [unclear] tackle it. These powers reside within us still unenlightened. As soon as you are enlightened, you become aware of your powers. First we must know what we have before distributing something to others. For example, you are a bankrupt and you start, "Oh, I am the very generous man." What's the use of such a generosity when you have no money in the bank? Are you going to distribute your debt? We must know what do we have in our bank. We must find out if we have any powers within us. If we have then we can distribute. Now I say we have lots and lots of powers. We are really very powerful. And also I say that these powers are to be enlightened within you so that they manifest, so that you feel your powers, so that you can maneuver your power, so that you can know that this power of love is the supreme, is the highest. Like if you are made a king tomorrow you'll feel very happy about it. With that happiness you'll also have powers to rule, powers to punish. When you get these powers of your Spirit then you become the citizen of the Kingdom of God Almighty who is all-powerful. And He is a very, very compassionate Father. He is compassion, He is ocean of compassion, He is ocean of love, He is ocean of mercy and He wants to give all these powers to you so that you are empowered to manifest your being. When you get these powers also you feel absolutely enamored, you feel absolutely quiet. Now you've found it. As we came here going round Northampton for forty-five minutes, as soon as we saw the name of the building we said, "We've got it". But the difference is that he knew the name of the building. Here you don't know anything. But the prove of the pudding is in the eating of it. In the same way you come to a point where you know, "I've found it. I've got it." And that point you have to achieve yourself. You have to certify yourself. Nobody else can certify. Even those people who get the Kundalini awakening and also the piercing of the fontanel bone in the beginning start thinking, because thinking is a disease of the western mind. They'll think about everything, even about which they cannot think. This happening takes place without thinking. They start thinking, "Is that the one we have [got / caught] it?" Then again you come down to the thinking level. Like supposing we come to this place and then we go back to see, is that the place we have to go? So you are still sitting outside. Now you have found it. Now just verify is it so or not. Get inside it. Get inside it. Try to find out, Yes, we saw somebody. Yes, this is it. This is it. Here it is we have to be. Of course there are scriptures who have said that when you achieve your Self-realization then you become collectively conscious, [Hindi: Samuhik Chetna]. You become. But it is a term which is very difficult to grasp before you are realized. Means what happens? What is collective consciousness? What happens to us is that you start feeling yourself and others on your fingertips, five, six and seven centers. Doctors have reached a conclusion that these are the endings of the sympathetic nervous system. But they do not know the decoding of it. They do not know how they are, how they work out, what is their work. Like now at the end of it you have got these tips. When the enlightenment takes place you get them on the tips. You don't enlighten them there. These centers get enlightened. The light comes in. Now what is a light in awareness is sensitivity. Supposing this finger is numb Ã¢â‚¬' say, in leprosy you must have known that the fingers become absolutely numb Ã¢â‚¬' when the fingers are numb then you cannot feel anything. When the enlightenment takes place then the numbness goes away and you start feeling it. But when Realization takes place then these fingers become even more alert, much more alert and you start feeling something funny. Like today one girl came to My house and she said, "What's happening to me? My fingers are tingling." Just as you would go near this you feel hot. Everyone will feel hot. This is subjected. Nobody is going to say that, "I'm feeling cool." But you when you are realized you start feeling cool from here. You'll be amazed. Even from the light you get the cool. You see, I put My hand here. There's no breeze over here. They have started moving. There's no breeze. Suddenly when I put My hand they start moving. You start feeling the breeze going through you. This is the breeze of the Holy Ghost. This is the Chaitanya Lahari described by Shankaryacharya. Shankaryacharya preached advaita, means we are like small drops separated from the ocean. And when we go back to the ocean we become the ocean. The powers of the ocean come into us. This is the advaita of Shankara. That means you become powerful as the ocean is. And this is what happens that a small cell which is now acting according to the dictates of the brain, becomes aware of the brain and can communicate with the brain. Or we can say a small cell becomes aware of the whole. You become aware of the powers of Almighty. Not only aware but you know how to handle it, you know how to make it flow through you. You know that there are problems in your being but because of that is not flowing properly. You know how to correct it in yourself and you know how to correct it in other people. This is the Samadhi, is the enlightened awareness. This is what should happen to you by which your powers start manifesting and giving light to others. You have to be enlightened so that you enlighten other people. This is the thing we have to ask for. Before this all the things what people do have no meaning. You are not connected to the phone whom are you dialing. There are people who say, "Oh, we believe in God. We believe in Divine. We are singing of it." You are not connected. Krishna has said it that, "Yoga kshema vahameyeham." First you must have yoga that is Realization then kshema, means then well being [will] you look after [you]. Like some people you must have seen on Oxford Street with those hairstyles, dancing with the dhotis, you know, Hare Rama, Hare Krishna, like mad. What are they doing? They have no connection with God. Supposing I have to meet the Queen, and I have no connection with Her and I stand on the Oxford Street and start speaking, "Queen Elizabeth, Queen Elizabeth," the police will catch hold of Me and put Me in the lunatic asylum. You have no authority. You have no connection. You have no protocol. How are you connected? How are you asking for anything? This is the truth that you have to become a hollow machine through which this Divine Love has to flow. If you do not get it today you will come to Me tomorrow. There are people, I met the other day interesting people. Sometimes I really laugh. If there is a fake person who is showing such miracles like lifting the flowers there will be thousands of people to go and see the show. If there is somebody who is saying that, "I will give you a mantra," people are so mystified, they do not know what to expect. They go to him, pay money, and thousands will be there just to pay money and he tells in your ear a funny mantra. Now, the other day there was one guru who has given a mantra Ã¢â‚¬' he doesn't know a word of Sanskrit Ã¢â‚¬' called as tinga. The tinga means, this, you see, show like this to someone. In Hindi language it means tinga. It's not even Sanskrit. He's given that mantra to someone. Just what do you say to that? He's befooling people like this, taking money from them, and people are involved. Now what are you seeking? Are you seeking a mantra? He says that by saying these mantras you can fly. You should ask the gentleman to fly himself first of all. Take him to the seven storey, drop him from there and see how far he goes flying. It's a simple thing. And then we should know, "Are we to fly now like birds? Have we to become now birds, flying in the air?" Why are we seeking such nonsensical things? What's wrong with us? Are we stupid people? What's going wrong? How can we seek these things? What are we seeking? We are seeking ourselves, ourselves, our Spirit. Everyone has said this, that you are to be reborn. Like an egg is born first. We are really like an egg. We don't know anything outside. just like an egg, you see. That yellow stuff called as ego and that the blue stuff, deep blue stuff, sometimes even black it could be, called as superego, they just make you an egg. You are lost in yourself. You are separate. An egg cannot fly, cannot feel anything. It matures by itself. It has to be an egg. It matures by itself, spontaneously. And when the time comes, the mother bird pierces the head of the egg, and here comes the bird. It's a miracle. But the bird is already there ready. In the same way your rebirth takes place. In Sanskrit language a bird is called a dvijaha, and a Brahmin is called a dvijaha. But these days the word Brahmin means nonsense. Brahmin means the one who has known the Brahma. Brahma is the divine power of love of God. It's just love. Love is knowledge and love is joy. When the whole being, the attention of your being is filled with this love you just become the joy, you just talk with joy and every throbbing of yours is love. And that love gives you the knowledge of others. If you purely love somebody even otherwise, then you know everything about that person. In the BBC sometimes, you see, you see the husband and wife's game very interesting. What hair oil does she use? What kind of motorbike he likes? Such questions are asked, just to judge the knowledge of the husband and wife among themselves, to find out, because if they love each other they would know all these small, small things. But when it is pure love you just know. It becomes subjective, absolutely subjective because you become the subject of love. So you know everything about everyone and everything is known through its essence. Now see this fire is here, all right? To you this is ordinary fire. I can enlighten the fire, doubling. If I enlighten this then the fire can burn away all the impurities within us. It does. You know this Mother Earth. I was in Kuala Lumpur and the speaker of the assembly, a Muslim, invited me to his house. And there were about thousand people who had come, I think out of which at least three hundred were sick. The rest have come to help them out. And they all gathered in a big garden, very big garden. And no other Sahaja Yogi was with Me. I was just alone. I said, "It's all right. You all sit on the ground." I just requested the Mother Earth, "Now, take away their problems." And She started sucking it. There was a boy who had polio trouble. They have brought him, you see, just brought him, kept him there. He could not walk at all. He was brought like a sack and put on the ground. Suddenly the mother said, "Where is the boy gone?" He had just got up and walked off! You can ask the Mother Earth, you can ask the fire because you are connected. You are at the essence of it. What is the essence of Mother Earth? Can anyone of the scientists tell Me? Any Sahaja Yogis? What is the casual [causal?] essence of Mother Earth? Fragrance, fragrance is the casual [causal] essence of Mother Earth. And fragrance has the capacity of magnetism. And that's why the Mother Earth has got the magnet. It is most surprising. That's why people wear, you see, all these beautiful fragrances, to attract others or to soothe others. So fragrance of the Mother Earth if you can enlighten. Even while Kundalini is rising within you is the Mother Earth also, the element of Mother Earth. Where is it? In the lowest, that lowest chakra, there is the Mother Earth. It's made from the prithvi tattwa, from the Mother Earth, the essence of the Mother Earth. Suddenly you start getting lot of fragrance within you. And you don't know from where this fragrance is coming. And you find that it is this center which is being enlightened and you are getting fragrance. Then the second center which you see there is the center which comes from fire and Mother Earth. The essence of that is fire and Mother Earth. So we can use fire to cure that. For example, when you think too much this center revolves round [tours]. By thinking too much this center has to work very hard because it replaces your brain cells through these fat cells which are here. It transforms them and send them for the brain cells. It has to work very hard and when it works very hard then all it's working hard, work on the center called as the Agnya, specially on the back side, when it is obstructed, when it is working as obstructed, all that effort goes back here. When it goes back there then it affects your eyes. Can you imagine, if you can somehow or other manage to enlighten the sun you can get rid of your eye trouble. Your eyes can be cured through treatment from the sun but you have to be a realized soul. You can manage the sun all right. The third center that is there is the center made out of water element. Now, water has the capacity to flow. It has a capacity to cleanse. It has many capacities. It is shining, shining. This center gives you the shine on the face. [Hindi: Kanti Rupena Sahangstita] Now if this center is allowed to flow properly Ã¢â‚¬' properly is the word Ã¢â‚¬' if you allow this center to absolutely go wherever it likes, your attention will be flittered [frittered?]up. But if you use it properly and allow it to grow within you your living process, because you know by water only living things live, then you reach a state where you can even enlighten this center. And when you enlighten this center the first thing that happens to you is that your material problems get solved. It's a very deep science. Many people who have come to Me had no jobs. They were in complete shamble, as they say, or in a mess, had no money, didn't know what to do. This center got enlightened and they got the essence and the essence is called as Lakshmi tattwa. They got jobs, everything they were helped, they had a nice house. People who had no houses, who were living in very small little houses got good houses. They don't know how they managed and how they got it, how this miracle took place. Because the essence within you of your wellbeing in this center is enlightened. If the second center is enlightened then you become suddenly very creative. Is the center of creativity. Then you do not think. Thinking makes you mad. For example, have you seen a writer writing something? He'll have file of papers torn out. He's writing something. And you'll find he cannot do it. He'll go mad. Again he'll write something. And then it's not all right. Then he put it down. But when you are realized and that center is enlightened you don't have to sit down and think. It just comes out; you write it down. Because the essence of this center is creativity, it comes from within. By thinking you cannot bring out your creativity. You cannot. Only thing is that if you have the technique, the creativity comes from within and through the technique you express it. Musicians, poets, artists. I've known people who never knew how to sing, had horrible voices, now are melodiously singing like a cuckoo bird, after Realization. Of course that is also another centre which is here, when this one is enlightened. Now every centre I cannot tell today because it's a long [based] thing. But I just have to tell you that when these centres are enlightened, your powers of these centers start manifesting. Secondly, all these centers become integrated. You don't have a problem to integrate yourself. For example, some people are working here. In their mind is somebody else. They don't want to do it. They just don't want do that work, with [unclear] there. The mind is somewhere else. They are thinking of something else and asking for something else. So they are divided among themselves. They don't know whether to do it or not do it. But when you get this Realization, all your body, mind, everything gets integrated and whatever you do emits joy. Now this is all too fantastic for you. I know it is too much, much too much for [unclear]. But why I have given you this is because I have seen yesterday and was very disappointed the way people are frivolous, the way people do not have any self-esteem. They are very egoistical. Egoistical persons are stupid, always stupid, isn't it? You must have seen how an egoistical person talks, like they are stupid fool. You don't understand. And they are so frivolous also. They have no self-esteem. They don't understand what they ought to see, what they have got. That's why I'm telling you today that you should know that it's the most important thing, it's the only thing that you have to achieve. Do not go in for useless miracles. Ask for the miracles of your Spirit. When the Spirit manifests you'll be amazed how beautiful you feel and how beautifully you work it out, because you have found out your whole, you have found out your destination, you have reached your goal. I hope it will work with those who are here. I know they are few and people might think that very few people have come but it is a living process. For reality even to get so many people is, I think, is great. At the time of Christ, all His life he could gather twelve fishermen. How could you talk about Kundalini to twelve fishermen? But to get even this, this much of people for reality, I'm very happy about it. By God's grace gradually this living process will be accepted and people will take to reality and not to the circuses. We have to get the real within us. We have to know ourselves, fully we have. It has to happen. If it does not happen in you, it doesn't mean it's wrong with the system, but it's something within which can be corrected, which should happen. In second city or the third city I am here to work it out and you all have to work it out. It's a very long thing, which I did not want to say it now but there are so many lectures I have given, you can go through and see for yourself. Here in Northampton you have a very great Sahaja Yogini is Maria and her husband, [unclear name] that is a very great Sahaja Yogi. So this has a special blessings all the way. When I came here first there were of lots of these black magic people, occultist [unclear]. They all started dancing, this, that and I said, "Now where am I here?" But today I find the people are of a different style and different nature and this for such people it is, for people of that calibre who are seeking the reality. May God bless you all.	null	null	null	Public Program. Northampton (UK), 17 July 1980. Our life's journey is also like this. We don't know how to find our way. We are traveling and we are seeking. The seeking is the force, which drives us sometimes crazy. We don't know what to do. We have to seek something. We are not satisfied with what we have. So we go on seeking. [Now, And] what are we seeking? We have no idea as to what we have to seek, a thing that will give us satisfaction, the place which will stop our journey, our abode where we would rest. This urge within us is very evident in the modern time. It was never so [unclear: clear]. This is the first time you find so many people are seeking. And they are genuinely seeking. They feel that there is something lurking in their being, there is something that is missing in them. It is being said in the Scriptures, in all the Scriptures, whether Indian, Islamic or Biblical, that to be there you have to be born again. In Gita Shri Krishna says, "Those who see, can see. Those who cannot see, cannot see." "Ya sha pashyati sa pashyati." The one who cannot see cannot see. It's a simple thing. But to a normal human being, we can't understand that, "I can see everything. Why can't I see? I see the colors, I see the room, I see everything." Why it is said that those who can see can see and those who cannot see cannot see? It's a very mysterious statement. Supposing I say that in these petals there are lots of cells and it's divided into many cells. Then you will say, "No, we see them. There are only petals. We don't see any cells." So you require a microscope. You have to make a section of that and under the microscope you can see there are cells. You can see the cells clearly under the microscope. All that is material you can see with your material life. But there is something else about which these people are talking that you have to see it through your Spirit. It gets satisfied by itself. [Hindi] "The Spirit gets satisfied by itself." These sayings sound extremely mysterious [to us]. But if I say, "This room is dark. Come inside and you can see," but you come inside, you find it's still dark. You can't see anything. So somebody puts on the light and you see everything. This is also outside us, putting the light, microscope. This is paroksha, is the outside, by which your material life can be projected more. You can see more. But if I say you have to see inside, you can't turn your eyes back to see inside. That you cannot do. Now, what is the method by which you can see inside or feel inside or go inside? Through our eyes our attention goes out. We see everything. But supposing tomorrow something topples down. Immediately our attention is attracted towards that happening. So inside us there must be some arrangement for this happening that must be attracting our attention inside and that's how we must be going inside. We have evolved from amoeba to this stage. We are human beings. Our evolution has come through our attention fixed outside. The happening has to go inside. But the evolution so far has been by going outside. Like some fishes felt the land and tried to crawl out and they became the reptiles. The reptiles wanted to run fast so they developed four legs as a tortoise. As animals they could not eat; so they raised their head. Things at the height they could not see, so they raised their body more. So all the evolution so far has come through the urge of seeking only, but it has been outside. We have been seeking food, as human beings we are seeking power, we have been seeking money, possessions, comfort. But now the seeking has to go within. For example, when we are building a house we build all the outside and everything properly. When it is all done outside then you go inside and start decorating. In the same way you have to go inside to achieve the last breakthrough. For example, we have made a fortress for ourselves and we have to enter inside the fortress to enjoy it. We have to penetrate inside the house to enjoy it. But our attention is outside. We cannot go inside. So something has to happen that you are to be sucked in. Some sort of a vacuum is created inside by which you are sucked in. It's a beautiful arrangement which has been sahaja, means spontaneously growing within us. Like a seed has all the map of the tree it has to become. It does not have to consult A to Z or anything. It has its own map, and it grows on that map spontaneously. In the same way our being has been growing spontaneously since we were just matter, lifeless matter. Gradually it was sprouting and we reached the stage where today we are human beings. But that's not the end because if it was we would have known our meaning, you would have known why we are here. Now the happening takes place through the awakening of this Kundalini. It is placed in the triangular bone. It is there. You can see with your naked eyes it is there. We are here to tell you the message that now this last evolutionary process which has to take place has started. Like every instrument has to be prepared first of all and put to the mains so the electricity starts flowing through it and starts manifesting. In the same way your instrument has been created so beautifully and the electricity, that they call as the divine power of love of God, has to flow through you. To connect you to that power very beautifully God Almighty has placed this energy of Kundalini in your triangular bone. I say this is the power of divine love. There are so many powers we know of, of course apart from the material powers we had. We know that there are people who are indulging into all kinds of subconscious powers, into all kinds of supraconscious powers, because a person can just make these flowers gather together sitting down here. A person can just break this with one hand. But do you get anything out of that? If it is your living process of germination, do you get any transformation out of it? Supposing somebody breaks this, so what? We can otherwise also break it, if you put it to some electrical [you can break it / it's how you can get it]. If somebody is sitting down here collects the flowers, so what? If anybody has any such powers, they are all outside powers. The electricity has to flow inside. So to have your own power you individually has to be connected to the mains. What's the use of seeing somebody else's powers also? Best thing is you are your own guru and you have your own powers. For example, when this thing is not lighted it looks as if it has no power. But as soon as it is lighted you find there is light coming in. It can burn. Not only it can give you light but it can burn. It can melt. It has all the powers of fire as soon as it is enlightened. Potentially it has all the powers but it was not aware of it. In the same way whatever potential powers you have got we have to [unclear] tackle it. These powers reside within us still unenlightened. As soon as you are enlightened, you become aware of your powers. First we must know what we have before distributing something to others. For example, you are a bankrupt and you start, "Oh, I am the very generous man." What's the use of such a generosity when you have no money in the bank? Are you going to distribute your debt? We must know what do we have in our bank. We must find out if we have any powers within us. If we have then we can distribute. Now I say we have lots and lots of powers. We are really very powerful. And also I say that these powers are to be enlightened within you so that they manifest, so that you feel your powers, so that you can maneuver your power, so that you can know that this power of love is the supreme, is the highest. Like if you are made a king tomorrow you'll feel very happy about it. With that happiness you'll also have powers to rule, powers to punish. When you get these powers of your Spirit then you become the citizen of the Kingdom of God Almighty who is all-powerful. And He is a very, very compassionate Father. He is compassion, He is ocean of compassion, He is ocean of love, He is ocean of mercy and He wants to give all these powers to you so that you are empowered to manifest your being. When you get these powers also you feel absolutely enamored, you feel absolutely quiet. Now you've found it. As we came here going round Northampton for forty-five minutes, as soon as we saw the name of the building we said, "We've got it". But the difference is that he knew the name of the building. Here you don't know anything. But the prove of the pudding is in the eating of it. In the same way you come to a point where you know, "I've found it. I've got it." And that point you have to achieve yourself. You have to certify yourself. Nobody else can certify. Even those people who get the Kundalini awakening and also the piercing of the fontanel bone in the beginning start thinking, because thinking is a disease of the western mind. They'll think about everything, even about which they cannot think. This happening takes place without thinking. They start thinking, "Is that the one we have [got / caught] it?" Then again you come down to the thinking level. Like supposing we come to this place and then we go back to see, is that the place we have to go? So you are still sitting outside. Now you have found it. Now just verify is it so or not. Get inside it. Get inside it. Try to find out, Yes, we saw somebody. Yes, this is it. This is it. Here it is we have to be. Of course there are scriptures who have said that when you achieve your Self-realization then you become collectively conscious, [Hindi: Samuhik Chetna]. You become. But it is a term which is very difficult to grasp before you are realized. Means what happens? What is collective consciousness? What happens to us is that you start feeling yourself and others on your fingertips, five, six and seven centers. Doctors have reached a conclusion that these are the endings of the sympathetic nervous system. But they do not know the decoding of it. They do not know how they are, how they work out, what is their work. Like now at the end of it you have got these tips. When the enlightenment takes place you get them on the tips. You don't enlighten them there. These centers get enlightened. The light comes in. Now what is a light in awareness is sensitivity. Supposing this finger is numb Ã¢â‚¬' say, in leprosy you must have known that the fingers become absolutely numb Ã¢â‚¬' when the fingers are numb then you cannot feel anything. When the enlightenment takes place then the numbness goes away and you start feeling it. But when Realization takes place then these fingers become even more alert, much more alert and you start feeling something funny. Like today one girl came to My house and she said, "What's happening to me? My fingers are tingling." Just as you would go near this you feel hot. Everyone will feel hot. This is subjected. Nobody is going to say that, "I'm feeling cool." But you when you are realized you start feeling cool from here. You'll be amazed. Even from the light you get the cool. You see, I put My hand here. There's no breeze over here. They have started moving. There's no breeze. Suddenly when I put My hand they start moving. You start feeling the breeze going through you. This is the breeze of the Holy Ghost. This is the Chaitanya Lahari described by Shankaryacharya. Shankaryacharya preached advaita, means we are like small drops separated from the ocean. And when we go back to the ocean we become the ocean. The powers of the ocean come into us. This is the advaita of Shankara. That means you become powerful as the ocean is. And this is what happens that a small cell which is now acting according to the dictates of the brain, becomes aware of the brain and can communicate with the brain. Or we can say a small cell becomes aware of the whole. You become aware of the powers of Almighty. Not only aware but you know how to handle it, you know how to make it flow through you. You know that there are problems in your being but because of that is not flowing properly. You know how to correct it in yourself and you know how to correct it in other people. This is the Samadhi, is the enlightened awareness. This is what should happen to you by which your powers start manifesting and giving light to others. You have to be enlightened so that you enlighten other people. This is the thing we have to ask for. Before this all the things what people do have no meaning. You are not connected to the phone whom are you dialing. There are people who say, "Oh, we believe in God. We believe in Divine. We are singing of it." You are not connected. Krishna has said it that, "Yoga kshema vahameyeham." First you must have yoga that is Realization then kshema, means then well being [will] you look after [you]. Like some people you must have seen on Oxford Street with those hairstyles, dancing with the dhotis, you know, Hare Rama, Hare Krishna, like mad. What are they doing? They have no connection with God. Supposing I have to meet the Queen, and I have no connection with Her and I stand on the Oxford Street and start speaking, "Queen Elizabeth, Queen Elizabeth," the police will catch hold of Me and put Me in the lunatic asylum. You have no authority. You have no connection. You have no protocol. How are you connected? How are you asking for anything? This is the truth that you have to become a hollow machine through which this Divine Love has to flow. If you do not get it today you will come to Me tomorrow. There are people, I met the other day interesting people. Sometimes I really laugh. If there is a fake person who is showing such miracles like lifting the flowers there will be thousands of people to go and see the show. If there is somebody who is saying that, "I will give you a mantra," people are so mystified, they do not know what to expect. They go to him, pay money, and thousands will be there just to pay money and he tells in your ear a funny mantra. Now, the other day there was one guru who has given a mantra Ã¢â‚¬' he doesn't know a word of Sanskrit Ã¢â‚¬' called as tinga. The tinga means, this, you see, show like this to someone. In Hindi language it means tinga. It's not even Sanskrit. He's given that mantra to someone. Just what do you say to that? He's befooling people like this, taking money from them, and people are involved. Now what are you seeking? Are you seeking a mantra? He says that by saying these mantras you can fly. You should ask the gentleman to fly himself first of all. Take him to the seven storey, drop him from there and see how far he goes flying. It's a simple thing. And then we should know, "Are we to fly now like birds? Have we to become now birds, flying in the air?" Why are we seeking such nonsensical things? What's wrong with us? Are we stupid people? What's going wrong? How can we seek these things? What are we seeking? We are seeking ourselves, ourselves, our Spirit. Everyone has said this, that you are to be reborn. Like an egg is born first. We are really like an egg. We don't know anything outside. just like an egg, you see. That yellow stuff called as ego and that the blue stuff, deep blue stuff, sometimes even black it could be, called as superego, they just make you an egg. You are lost in yourself. You are separate. An egg cannot fly, cannot feel anything. It matures by itself. It has to be an egg. It matures by itself, spontaneously. And when the time comes, the mother bird pierces the head of the egg, and here comes the bird. It's a miracle. But the bird is already there ready. In the same way your rebirth takes place. In Sanskrit language a bird is called a dvijaha, and a Brahmin is called a dvijaha. But these days the word Brahmin means nonsense. Brahmin means the one who has known the Brahma. Brahma is the divine power of love of God. It's just love. Love is knowledge and love is joy. When the whole being, the attention of your being is filled with this love you just become the joy, you just talk with joy and every throbbing of yours is love. And that love gives you the knowledge of others. If you purely love somebody even otherwise, then you know everything about that person. In the BBC sometimes, you see, you see the husband and wife's game very interesting. What hair oil does she use? What kind of motorbike he likes? Such questions are asked, just to judge the knowledge of the husband and wife among themselves, to find out, because if they love each other they would know all these small, small things. But when it is pure love you just know. It becomes subjective, absolutely subjective because you become the subject of love. So you know everything about everyone and everything is known through its essence. Now see this fire is here, all right? To you this is ordinary fire. I can enlighten the fire, doubling. If I enlighten this then the fire can burn away all the impurities within us. It does. You know this Mother Earth. I was in Kuala Lumpur and the speaker of the assembly, a Muslim, invited me to his house. And there were about thousand people who had come, I think out of which at least three hundred were sick. The rest have come to help them out. And they all gathered in a big garden, very big garden. And no other Sahaja Yogi was with Me. I was just alone. I said, "It's all right. You all sit on the ground." I just requested the Mother Earth, "Now, take away their problems." And She started sucking it. There was a boy who had polio trouble. They have brought him, you see, just brought him, kept him there. He could not walk at all. He was brought like a sack and put on the ground. Suddenly the mother said, "Where is the boy gone?" He had just got up and walked off! You can ask the Mother Earth, you can ask the fire because you are connected. You are at the essence of it. What is the essence of Mother Earth? Can anyone of the scientists tell Me? Any Sahaja Yogis? What is the casual [causal?] essence of Mother Earth? Fragrance, fragrance is the casual [causal] essence of Mother Earth. And fragrance has the capacity of magnetism. And that's why the Mother Earth has got the magnet. It is most surprising. That's why people wear, you see, all these beautiful fragrances, to attract others or to soothe others. So fragrance of the Mother Earth if you can enlighten. Even while Kundalini is rising within you is the Mother Earth also, the element of Mother Earth. Where is it? In the lowest, that lowest chakra, there is the Mother Earth. It's made from the prithvi tattwa, from the Mother Earth, the essence of the Mother Earth. Suddenly you start getting lot of fragrance within you. And you don't know from where this fragrance is coming. And you find that it is this center which is being enlightened and you are getting fragrance. Then the second center which you see there is the center which comes from fire and Mother Earth. The essence of that is fire and Mother Earth. So we can use fire to cure that. For example, when you think too much this center revolves round [tours]. By thinking too much this center has to work very hard because it replaces your brain cells through these fat cells which are here. It transforms them and send them for the brain cells. It has to work very hard and when it works very hard then all it's working hard, work on the center called as the Agnya, specially on the back side, when it is obstructed, when it is working as obstructed, all that effort goes back here. When it goes back there then it affects your eyes. Can you imagine, if you can somehow or other manage to enlighten the sun you can get rid of your eye trouble. Your eyes can be cured through treatment from the sun but you have to be a realized soul. You can manage the sun all right. The third center that is there is the center made out of water element. Now, water has the capacity to flow. It has a capacity to cleanse. It has many capacities. It is shining, shining. This center gives you the shine on the face. [Hindi: Kanti Rupena Sahangstita] Now if this center is allowed to flow properly Ã¢â‚¬' properly is the word Ã¢â‚¬' if you allow this center to absolutely go wherever it likes, your attention will be flittered [frittered?]up. But if you use it properly and allow it to grow within you your living process, because you know by water only living things live, then you reach a state where you can even enlighten this center. And when you enlighten this center the first thing that happens to you is that your material problems get solved. It's a very deep science. Many people who have come to Me had no jobs. They were in complete shamble, as they say, or in a mess, had no money, didn't know what to do. This center got enlightened and they got the essence and the essence is called as Lakshmi tattwa. They got jobs, everything they were helped, they had a nice house. People who had no houses, who were living in very small little houses got good houses. They don't know how they managed and how they got it, how this miracle took place. Because the essence within you of your wellbeing in this center is enlightened. If the second center is enlightened then you become suddenly very creative. Is the center of creativity. Then you do not think. Thinking makes you mad. For example, have you seen a writer writing something? He'll have file of papers torn out. He's writing something. And you'll find he cannot do it. He'll go mad. Again he'll write something. And then it's not all right. Then he put it down. But when you are realized and that center is enlightened you don't have to sit down and think. It just comes out; you write it down. Because the essence of this center is creativity, it comes from within. By thinking you cannot bring out your creativity. You cannot. Only thing is that if you have the technique, the creativity comes from within and through the technique you express it. Musicians, poets, artists. I've known people who never knew how to sing, had horrible voices, now are melodiously singing like a cuckoo bird, after Realization. Of course that is also another centre which is here, when this one is enlightened. Now every centre I cannot tell today because it's a long [based] thing. But I just have to tell you that when these centres are enlightened, your powers of these centers start manifesting. Secondly, all these centers become integrated. You don't have a problem to integrate yourself. For example, some people are working here. In their mind is somebody else. They don't want to do it. They just don't want do that work, with [unclear] there. The mind is somewhere else. They are thinking of something else and asking for something else. So they are divided among themselves. They don't know whether to do it or not do it. But when you get this Realization, all your body, mind, everything gets integrated and whatever you do emits joy. Now this is all too fantastic for you. I know it is too much, much too much for [unclear]. But why I have given you this is because I have seen yesterday and was very disappointed the way people are frivolous, the way people do not have any self-esteem. They are very egoistical. Egoistical persons are stupid, always stupid, isn't it? You must have seen how an egoistical person talks, like they are stupid fool. You don't understand. And they are so frivolous also. They have no self-esteem. They don't understand what they ought to see, what they have got. That's why I'm telling you today that you should know that it's the most important thing, it's the only thing that you have to achieve. Do not go in for useless miracles. Ask for the miracles of your Spirit. When the Spirit manifests you'll be amazed how beautiful you feel and how beautifully you work it out, because you have found out your whole, you have found out your destination, you have reached your goal. I hope it will work with those who are here. I know they are few and people might think that very few people have come but it is a living process. For reality even to get so many people is, I think, is great. At the time of Christ, all His life he could gather twelve fishermen. How could you talk about Kundalini to twelve fishermen? But to get even this, this much of people for reality, I'm very happy about it. By God's grace gradually this living process will be accepted and people will take to reality and not to the circuses. We have to get the real within us. We have to know ourselves, fully we have. It has to happen. If it does not happen in you, it doesn't mean it's wrong with the system, but it's something within which can be corrected, which should happen. In second city or the third city I am here to work it out and you all have to work it out. It's a very long thing, which I did not want to say it now but there are so many lectures I have given, you can go through and see for yourself. Here in Northampton you have a very great Sahaja Yogini is Maria and her husband, [unclear name] that is a very great Sahaja Yogi. So this has a special blessings all the way. When I came here first there were of lots of these black magic people, occultist [unclear]. They all started dancing, this, that and I said, "Now where am I here?" But today I find the people are of a different style and different nature and this for such people it is, for people of that calibre who are seeking the reality. May God bless you all.
7/18/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6722	The Light of Truth	England	Brighton	Reviewed	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	71	The Light of Truth, Public Program. Brighton (UK), 18 July 1980. Last time when I spoke to you I told you about the power that resides within us in the triangular bone called the sacrum which is called as Kundalini and which is responsible for giving us our second birth. In modern times the search for truth is so wide spread that it had to happen. It was all as if planned out that in modern times only the people who are seeking, who are seeking the truth, in various lives have to attain that awareness which will grant them the light of truth. The search is on, for example, a human being may be searching his joy in money, in power, in possessions, in seeking security for oneself but the search of the seekers is on and they have to find it and that is possible in this modern times. It has to work out but perhaps people are not aware that as the modern times are best suited for this seeking for this enlightenment, and also the modern times are the worst times. The reason is the modern times are the times of confusion. Everything that we do we are confused about it. We are not sure as to what we are doing is correct or incorrect whether we do in money, in power, or about seeking because this is the time where your wisdom is tested. If you are wise then you will choose wisely and that is why a confusion is created, you can say like puzzle, say in modern times life is much more puzzling than it was ever. Before the life was much more smoother, in the sense we lived ignorance and ignorance was bliss, but seeking we must do. We can't do without it. This is the highest seeking that a man has to achieve. First, it started with food in animal stage continued with us but now we are seeking something much beyond our comprehension but we are seeking. We don't know what we are seeking. But we are seeking is a fact. Now the confusion is what to expect and then how to seek. These two points are there but first of all I would like you also to know that when this seeking of the saintly people, of the good people, of the righteous people, of the virtuous people, is on, there is also a very powerful force of destruction is executing. There are people who do not want you to seek. There are people who want to make money out of your seeking. There are people who want to make you slaves out of your seeking. There are people who want to give you something by which you are destroyed, your being is destroyed. This kind, this kind of seeking of destroying the seekers has also built up into a very big force. It is not individualistic. Like we had in ancient times some rakshasas, some devils who incarnated on this Earth whom the Goddess had to fight. They came individually one by one. They had their own armies but one by one, but in modern times perhaps all of them have taken birth because they think this is the best time of confusion when they can reap their harvest of evil. By this kind of a darkness around it becomes even worse, it becomes even worse, the confusion is even much worse. We cannot understand how to seek them, how to find the right path, so many circuses are out, so many personalities are there with different kind of advertisements and everybody supplying, something like as if in the market, there is demand and people are here to sell it out. Naturally, one would be quite worried and one would be quite thinking about it. This is simultaneous but one must know if there are replicas, there has to be original, if there are plastic flowers there have to be real flowers, otherwise how would they copy? Now how to make out which is the truth? The point is, if it is our evolutionary process and in that we are going to achieve the truth that should happen to us in any case, normally because we have become human beings without putting any effort into it so if we have to become a higher human being it should happen to us spontaneously. So one thing should be there that there should not any effort involved. This should be one of the criterias. Secondly, we have not paid a single Pai for becoming a human being from chimpanzee, did we? We got it all free. You cannot pay for your evolution. You can pay for anything else but not for your evolution. So you cannot pay, I mean, by paying or going through courses you cannot do it. It is some sort of a living thing that is going to happen. You should see other living things, for example, a flower cannot become a fruit by paying any money to it. If it is a living process that is going to bring forth a fruit then we cannot pay. Then we cannot put any effort. It has to be spontaneously worked out. And then it has to be with us when we are born. The potentiality has to be with us, when we are born. Like a seed has got the potentiality to become a tree or a flower has got a potentiality to become a fruit. In the same way this potential power should be within us. Otherwise how are we to be become something else? How are to be born again? If you come to that conclusion then you say that it is born with you that is Sahaja, it's born with you, it is with you. It is your own power within yourself. So what is the difference? The difference is that as human beings now you have to know that you have become that. So far, up to this evolutionary process it was not necessary for you to know that you have become from amoeba to a fish and from fish to a turtle and from a turtle to a pig and then onwards you have become a chimpanzee, from chimpanzee to human beings. It was not necessary for you to know but at this stage it is necessary that you should know, but why? Again the question comes in because why is the problem of today. The question comes in why we should know. The question is all right but answer is like this, that the evolutionary process till you become human beings were done you have no freedom to choose. At this stage, you have freedom to choose to develop yourself in such a way that you have freedom to choose. Now once you have freedom to choose, you choose rightly. And rightly when you choose you get it, because the evolutionary process, now is a much higher, much higher thing and meant for people of great calibre not for cheap people, frivolous people, people who have no self-esteem, it is not. It is meant for people of great calibre. Those people are of very ordinary calibre, of ordinary nature cannot get it, to begin with. Later on when this happens, this adventure is achieved by a few, many will follow but to achieve this adventure, the beginning of it can be done only through people who are truly seeking, people who are courageous, who would like to have the flight. And those who are not courageous enough, those who are not fully equipped for it, those who do not have that calibre cannot achieve it. Such people cannot face the truth, they cannot. It is beyond them. They just want to carry on with something, which is very, very simple, in the sense that which is compromising with their values and so called weaknesses. For example, if I have to say that in Sahaja Yoga you don't have to give up anything but later on you suddenly give up because your priorities changed. You just give up those things, which you could not live with, the things that have made you a slave, to which you got addicted. You just get rid of them because you have become master of yourself. It happens spontaneously. It happens so spontaneously but if you are not a person who is believe to understand that you are a slave of these things and you have been really enslaved and it is going to carry you into a ditch later on, then you may just leave the place and think, "Oh God, this is too much for me." If a transformation takes place naturally, your priorities will change. For example, there is no light in this room so how you walk, groping everything but if there is light you become straight, and you walk straight to your seat. In the same way when there is enlightenment within you, your priorities change and you become a master of yourself, absolutely a master. You are no more enslaved by anything, nothing can guide you. You start guiding your own destiny and the destinies of many, by giving them enlightenment yourself. Now these dark forces that are here can only be neutralized by the force of Divine love. People talk of love but they have no idea as to what Dvine love is. They have no idea whatsoever because it is said in Gita the one who see can only see, the one who does not see cannot see, it's a very simple thing. No use talking to people who cannot see but I would say why not make them see the thing. Supposing they see the thing then all the priorities change. Not only that you get a transformation in your awareness you become dynamically aware. You start understanding, (Shri Mataji is asking a child to sit down and the children should not disturb in the hall) You start understanding the problems within you because you are separated from yourself. You start understanding the problems in other people. For example, when the centers in your being, as shown here, are excited by this power of Kundalini then these centers are empowered, sort of recharged and the centers, which are controlling the plexuses outside on the gross plain, also enrich those plexuses. And first thing that happen to us that we improve physically to such an extent that even cancer is cured. I mean, cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga, by no other way. When the Kundalini rises slightly higher than that, then you reach one of the centers there, the fourth center of the heart, various sense of securities established. Once the sense of securities establish your mental problems start dissolving. Those who suffer from mental problem become better off. Their mental conditions improve but normally a person is mentally handicapped in the beginning finds it difficult because he get suggestions, like the gentleman who was here just now, they just can't bear it, they just run away. But if you have patience you can work on them and you can cure mental patients as we have cured epilepsy of the worst type. There are some people sitting here who had epilepsy of the worst type. They would have been in the mental hospital. Once your sense of securities is established your mental conditions becomes normal. But one has to have little courage. There is nothing to be frightened in Kundalini awakening. She is your Mother and She loves you and She has been born again and again with you and She is just waiting for this chance to happen. If it happens, you will be amazed how you get changed and now here you know there are at least 50% people, may be more who are Realized souls and who have got this. But when this Kundalini rises higher to this position then a person becomes a witness. He just feels that the drama is over. He is not involved anymore and then he becomes dynamic because if you are involved in a situation you cannot do anything about it. You are all the time frantic or worried or looking at your watches and things like that. But if you are above it then you can solve your problems better. You become a Saakshi, a witness which Shri Krishna has said, Christ has said, Mohammed has said that you have become a Saakshi, a witness. This is just a drama going on and you are involved into it and the drama breaks through and when this drama breaks you start seeing it, you start laughing at it, at yourself also that why was I worried, this is just a drama and then when the Kundalini rises even higher at that point and crosses it you become thoughtlessly aware. There is no thought in your mind. You do not think anymore. You become silent. One thought arises and falls off, another arises and falls off, in between these thought you just stand in the present, you become, and when the Kundalini pierces the last center, this one, then a cool breeze starts flowing from your hands, you start feeling the power flowing through. First time the central nervous system is feeling. At this time you will be amazed the, all the five centers here, six and seven centers start indicating, in the sense that all of them get enlightened and if you place your hands like this, suddenly you will find there is a tingling going in here or in here, or in here and these all demarked the centers which are in problem within you, on the left side or right side. The left side is the emotional side and the right side is your physical and mental side. You start understanding yourself that here is the problem which is within us. For example, Brighton has a problem on here, mainly; now this stands for unauthorized working of God's power. For example, there must be lot of black magic going on here. There must be lot of people who are doing all kinds of Guru Vidya and all sort of things, which should not be done, means people who are not authorized to do God's work are doing, this means that. And this percentage is quite a lot here. And when this center is spoilt which is very difficult because this encompasses even your mind and you get ideas from these people and you are so ruined by them that it is very difficult for you to see the truth. That's why again and again I come to Brighton because I know you have one great advantage that is of sea. And how much the sea can take away also I don't know. But there are lots and lots of people who are practising these bad things here. They perform all kinds of so-called miracles. For example, they remove this one from here to there. Now what does it matter in the eyes of God, just think of it, can't you remove yourself? They may give you a diamond just like this, you will think, "Oh God, I'll become so very rich." You might be having ten diamonds first then they give you one diamond, take away all the ten. Why should God give you diamonds? What are diamonds for God? Just dust of His feet. To human beings it's all important the bank balance these things. God doesn't operate all these things. He creates all the diamonds of the world, why should He worry about giving you diamonds, all nonsense it is. Then there are some people who may show another kind of miracle like mesmerising you. They really mesmerise you and you get enamoured by it like some people start jumping, taking out their clothes, why will God do that? I mean by taking out your clothes, do we become God, can you become? I mean, how do you get evolved? After all you used to wear clothes, now are you going to take it out? For so many years you have been wearing before that you never wore any clothes. So are you going to now become very much realized, if you take out your clothes, start jumping like mad. Then some people say that you can jump like a frog. There was one person in Kolapur he was sitting with both his legs towards Me. So some of the Sahaja Yogis went and said, "You can't sit like this towards Mother." He said, "I am sorry if I just pull my legs I will start hopping like a frog." So then I called him and said, "Why did you hop like a frog?" He said, "My guru told me that when Kundalini awakened you start hopping like a frog and mine is already awakened and I am hopping like a frog. All the time I am hopping like a frog." I said, "Now if your Kundalini is awakened, are you going to become a frog after becoming a human being? You have to become something higher or lower than animal? Tomorrow you will be twisting like a worm and become a worm?" Then there are some people who are going out for flight. There are some here who went for flying also. Thousands of pounds they have spent for a bluffer who just bluffed them. They should have asked the fellow to fly, to begin with, you see, drop him from some, from tower you see, this, what do you call it, leaning tower of Pisa. That's the best place I would say. Take him up there and drop him from there and see how far he can fly. It is very easy to do that to find out. But no, people paid lot of money, then we should think, "Are we going to become birds now?" It is nowhere in the scriptures said that you will be flying in the air. From where do you get this idea, anybody comes with such ideas why should people take it? Now you will be surprised we laugh at it but there are hundred thousand people, these Britishers, who are known for their wisdom, only Britishers I am saying, there are altogether two million people in the world who are following this man who is teaching flying. Can you believe such stupidity, such mass stupidity exists because it happens, because these are simple people they are mesmerised, absolutely mesmerised, to such an extent that they cannot think that thinking is zero, out of which these people who have come to Me, I've seen it. They were in the most miserable state and even today they are, and it's acting like a Mafia. Nobody can say that they are in that condition. This is the stupidity to which we succumbed, when we are mesmerised we cannot even think, we cannot know how we are going, what are our movings, how we have to move. We just go on under the blanket, black blanket and once we discover we are lost, we find that we are in the lunatic asylum, or in the jail. From the same lot we have had people who were in coma for 10 days, just different like this, nobody knew this kind of a disease, this has come out of the so-called flying business, for which you pay and you become a lunatic. So it is necessary also to see the other people who and it's very sad because these are all saints seeking God, who have been tortured and looted by these people. This I have been saying from 1970 loudly, I have taken their names and flouted them and spoke everywhere I went, I spoke in America and everywhere I told that, "Don't trust these people, don't trust these people," but nobody would listen. Recently I went to - Bristol I believe, where some Indians had come and some others had come and the people said, "Mother we are surprised that a guru had come here about a year back and there were thousands to see him." And this guru has no credibility of any kind. He came from right from South Africa and suddenly there were thousands to meet him and this guru has now, been found out to be a drunkard and has got five, six keeps. What is his credibility? From where does he come? He says, "I have a big business." Whatever it is, why is he here? It is also necessary that we should find out, what sort of a life the person leads. Now what should we expect to happen, I have told you that you become, there is an actualization of the experience that you become, you become that superior person, endowed with supreme power of love. You become that. It is not only giving you the lecture that you are brothers and sisters and treat everyone very happily and they are all your own. It's not lecturing, it's not brain washing. It is an actualization, it should happen to you. You should become that. You should feel others within yourself. You should feel others are part and parcel of your being. Then only it is so. Otherwise we have got United Nations, we have got so many organizations, brothers and sisters organization I call them, all put together, but it's all rational. It is not the thing happening within yourself. But when the Kundalini rises, She enlightens the Spirit in your heart and then the projection of the heart's quality which is Divine love starts manifesting and you start feeling in your hands the cool breeze, the cool radiance, the cooling radiance of the heart, which is described as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, which is a happening, again and again I am telling you. It's not just telling you something that it should happen and you should become like this. Now it takes only a split of a second. You are just ready for it. How much time does it takes to light this thing, just split of a second. But supposing the wig is not all right the petrol is not, I mean the oil is not all right there is a problem in here, something then it takes time to be corrected. If you are absolutely a normal person it should be that and once it is risen it doesn't fall down. But we have noticed that it doesn't work out that way, with many of you. Many people who get Realization, go back home and lose it and they give it up. This is another style of seeking. They find it is too much or I don't know what they find but if you take, a say 100 pounds from a person for a course on Sahaja Yoga, which you cannot, then they will come on because they think they have paid 100 pounds - better go through it. It is a funny human nature. And how to make this Divine love fit into it, it's a very difficult thing. Unless a human being rise up to a certain position of self-esteem it doesn't fit into them. They have to recognize their Realization, they have to understand that you have got it, that you have to establish yourself so I do not know how to make these two things meet. For example, it is very easy to pamper your ego and take out all the money you have in your purse or your properties and everything. It's the easiest thing to do is to pamper your ego and tell you lies. But by that you do not gain anything. Now if I have to give you something I have to make you equal to it, isn't it? If there is something lacking, if there is a hole in a pitcher, how are you going to fill in the Ganges? So you fill in the Ganges, go home and find the whole Ganges is disappeared and you think it is not worth it. Come back, the hole can be filled in. The hole can be again fixed and you can be repaired and you have to contain within yourself. You have to contain within yourself that power. So many of you have done it, now in England we can say we have lots of people, lots and lots and lots who have done it and all over the world we have to do it. Of course, in India, in the villages of India I should say, not in the city, cities are meant for all these moneymakers, not for Me. I am not interested in Indian cities, the people who are in the cities, even the Indians who are here I don't know how I work out with them. I am sorry but it is the fact. Same in India, the city dwellers are getting sophisticated now. But the villagers who still are innocent and simple people get it in thousands, in thousands. We got the films of people how they get it, how they work it out. It is spreading like fire, especially in Maharashtra. Also it's started in other places and I am sure it will work out. Now we have to see how many of you are willing to take up the challenge. It is the question of challenge to you to achieve it, and to establish it and to know that you have all the powers, all the potential powers within you, just you have to achieve it, just you have to get it. You need not be a big minister for this, on the contrary they are difficult, rather difficult, such people are quite difficult because they have a very big ego in the head, you see that yellow stuff, it covers the whole head of so many of these people. They are rather difficult. You have to be a noble person, Saamaniya, means ordinary, if you are over successful the ego has to be punctured somewhere, otherwise too much, very big, the Kundalini cannot enter it. If there is balance of ego and superego in your head then it will be able to work out. But even if you have ego it can be given balance, you can be cured, even if you have sickness it can be done, everything can be done but today that the time has come where thousands can get their Realization and can be established because the last judgement has started. The last judgement is going to be through Kundalini awakening. As if the Kundalini is the pointer in the balance. It has started now. People are not aware that it has started. They do not want to be judged as yet but time should not be lost but this judgement is so beautiful that when you are judged you get the powers of your own, of your love. You enjoy the bliss of your Spirit. You become so peaceful, all the tensions disappear, you become so dynamic and the blessings of all the well-beings come on you as Krishna has said, "Yoga shema vahamiyam." First the yoga then shema, shema is the well being. If you have not achieved your yoga, the shema is not possible. People say I am preaching Adthvaitha of Shankarachariya, of course, it is the same, whether it is Shankarachariya or anybody. I am doing that. Only He was preaching and I am doing it. What Christ said, what Krishna said and what Mohammed said is noting but Adthvaidtha, that you have to become one with God. But there are many do not like it. They want to have Vaitha. They want to keep their personality, so-called with them. I asked the other day one gentleman, was minister and all that, I said, "What do you want to keep back, what, which part?" He said, "Not my ego." I said, "Then what is it then?" It is that only, you want to keep back your ego. Unless until you become big, you cannot evolve and how do you become big, by becoming the ocean yourself. A small drop becomes an ocean as you become one with the ocean. You become one with the awareness of God. This is what Christ has said, "You have to be born again." It is said by everyone, Moses has said it, everyone has said it. But people are telling you no, no, no that should not be done, because these middle agencies losing their income. How will they exist without it? Try to see these points, achieve your own powers of love. Achieve yourself, become yourself. If you want it, you can have it but if you don't want it, nobody can force this, nobody can take away your freedom. If you want to remain as you are, you are left with them. Then you face it up and live with it. But if you want the ultimate, the absolute, it is there. That's the only way you can get rid of your confusion. And get rid of all your ideas of relative existence, political, economical everything, can be only dissolved through the achievement of your absolute, because after Realization you can feel, you can ask any absolute question, for example, if you want to ask the question, "Is there God," immediately the cool breeze starts to coming out, tremendous, the answer come in. As if the computer you start working out because you are put to the mains. So it is necessary for the whole humanity to pay attention to this because the time is coming when the sorting out will take place. That time nobody is going to persuade or tell you, fill the hall and request you. The sorting out will be there, better get it now and establish it. Whole humanity is to be saved, no use doing patchwork. Do something substantial. Substantial is only possible if you go to the roots of this tree of life and nourish it, enlighten it. That's the only way one can do it. May God bless you all! If there are any questions please ask. Please ask Me questions but sensible one, not like this that Mr X has written in a book somewhere that is not necessary. Do not develop controversies. You are here to achieve something, not to just getting into arguments and discussion. If you have any question, you can ask Me. Ok you are asking, just put your hand. Question is not audible. Shri Mataji: That you should answer yourself. These are the questions, you are quite good at it. Now the first is very good question is, what is enlightenment? Second one is little embarrassing. If I am the one who sustains it. I'll answer the first one to begin with, all right? What is enlightenment? Let us start with an analogy. (Shri Mataji is talking to someone). Say, in this room there is darkness, all right? There is no way of judging things because you can see through your eyes only if there is light, all right and you come in the room you find this door, you think oh! The door is the one somebody says the chair is the one, somebody says chair is the one and somebody says the bench, the bench is the one, it's all relative. You do not know which is the truth, all right. You put on the light what you know, it's all there, in different places. It's placed here, it's placed there, it's like this and these removable, these are not removable, these are fixed things. Everything you see, all right. This is enlightenment. Now what, in the real sense what happens? When you get enlightenment within yourself is the deeper enlightenment, it is now enlightenment outside but you get the enlightenment within yourself. Then what do you start seeing and feeling? You start feeling your different centers on your fingers. You start understanding what is wrong with you, what centers, you see the different colours, you have got here. You know that this center is catching, means this finger supposing as I told you this finger is catching. This is on the left hand side of the Swadishthana Chakra, which is on the left hand side. With this also you get the knowledge, I mean you are told how to correct. Supposing you are catching on the right hand side, take a very concrete example, may be you are a liver patient, you are suffering from liver and mostly all of you suffer, liver in this country because you think too much. Now you will be amazed to know that by thinking you suffer from liver, nobody can believe, doctors won't believe but this center, this yellow center when it moves on this side, right side it converts the fat of the stomach for the use of your brain. So when you are thinking too much it is working out very fast and when it is working it out very fast it has no time to look after your liver which is supposed to be [dormant ?] and this is the center which you think. And around it, the over activity of this center creates a tension and this center goes into a terrible thinking process. You cannot stop your thinking, just go on galloppingly thinking, it's like, you can say cancer of thinking, people develop. They cannot control their thinking, uncontrollable thinking creates a problem and then this center spoilt and it is not responsible anymore for your liver, you get a bad liver. There are other things also to spoil your liver, in addition to that. Now you discover only that your liver is not all right, now you also know how to cure your liver. So you know physically what's wrong with you. You know mentally what's wrong with you. You know emotionally what is wrong with you. You also know what are your imbalances, what are your abnormalities, you know them on your fingers because it is all decoded. This decoding can be tested again and again and see for yourself, with others. I'll tell you an example, a simple example, somebody got Realization in London. He is an archaeologist. When I told him, he could not believe it. One day he started getting a little burning here and he asked Me, "What is the matter with this?" I said, these are centers of your father and this is the center of the throat so you can telephone to your father and find out whether he's down with bronchitis. He telephoned to his father in Scotland, his mother came on the phone and she said that the father is down with bronchitis. It is so much dynamically communicated. You are not enlighten about yourself but enlighten about others. You put your hands towards someone, when you are sensitive enough, can immediately say what is wrong with that person. Also you know how to cure it, and how to work it out. But with enlightenment you enter into the kingdom of God. You become the citizen of kingdom of God; means all the angels, and all the Ganas and all the great people of the heaven start helping you. And you are amazed that of the miracles that have happened. How it worked out. It's something so surprising that one by one you start seeing the whole drama and you are amazed as if you are held by angels and helped by them. When you are enlightened you are absolutely blissful. There is no tension anymore because the energy start flowing from you, all through you. We can give another analogy, when you are in the water the waves of water frighten you that you may be drowned. But supposing by any chance you are put on a boat or learn swimming you start enjoying those waves. In human beings only we can learn how to swim, overcome these and then this is a overall enlightenment, overall in everything, even say, for example, people who never knew a word about decorations and art and aesthetics, suddenly become aesthetics because of this enlightenment of this same center. Every center when enlightens has a new dimension open within you, say, for example, the first center that is down below if it is enlighten through Sahaja Yoga you gain back your innocence which you have lost, absolutely. Innocence is the very big power within us we starts manifesting and you can overcome all kinds of hidden things. If there is a man [with evil ways ?], he approaches you. He will be neutralized. He will be transformed. He will be very kind to you, extremely kind. The second power of the second center has the power of creativity. You get the creativity, which is living. So far you never had, we take everything from the nature. We have never given anything to the nature. When this center is enlightened then you give vibrations, say to a field of wheat. In India they have done experiments in many universities of Agriculture and we have many scientists are doing it, they are Sahaja Yogis and they have found out that the same seed if it is vibrated can produce five times more wheat, not only that but they stored that wheat in a big store where there were other things stored up. And the rats did not touch those bags, Gani bags which contained those wheats. It's worth seeing all these. There were cows, Indian cows do not give milk as much as the milk as much as other cows like, you can say New Zealand or Australian cows but these two type of foreign cows are extremely aggressive and their milk make people very, very aggressive and the taste is not so good. But Indian cows give very nice milk. It doesn't make people very aggressive and the taste is very good. But the Indian cows when they were given vibrations, supposing they have given five measure of milk they have started giving at least ten measure or twelve measure, not so much as these aggressive ones have give but their longevity increased. This is how you start giving these enlightened dimensions to things. For example, see this wire here, now I put My hand there I can enlighten this wire. You will be amazed if this is enlightened, it can take away all your problems even with one candle light you can take away so many candles, it's what seen. There was a person who was possessed, we told him a method of working it out with one candle and the whole wall started to become black, black coming out that and he couldn't understand but he got cured completely, means you can enlighten all the elements with these vibrations. The water gets the power to wash you inside out your sins and your problems. The light gives you the power by which you can burn off and fire out all your wrong things, which are spoiling you. Your skin becomes lustrous. You start looking very much younger than your age. You are absolutely relaxed. You become extremely kind and you enjoy your virtues of kindness. You never repent it. The first thing that happens to most of you that you start laughing aloud. We have someone here who laughed in Bristol. He found himself, and he himself said, "I laughed, where was I, what was I doing all this." There are thousand and one thing got enlightenment. But enlightenment actually means that your being is enlightened, means it has achieved the power of emitting love, of Divine love. It means you have become a hollow personality that the Divine love flowing through you. That on your central nervous system you start feeling that flowing through your being, it just emits. Like Christ said when somebody touched Him that, "Something passed out of Me, that energy of love." I hope, just now I cannot give you the whole thing but it will satisfy and the second part it devises the thing all right, I would say that if I am the gardener I have to look after the seeds, isn't? But it is your own. For the time being I may, for example, this light goes out, you put it on again you are looking after it because that's My job is to enlighten you so till it takes its own form of light I have to look after it. I do look after it but if I say sustain then I would say you sustain it but I look after it and I make you sustain also. Is there anything wrong? If you could do it I would be very happy, really, it's a tremendous task, it's is a sort thing to maintain it. Even today raising Kundalini is not easy. I have to carry all the load upon Myself and day in and day out I am working very hard you can ask anyone. It's too much of a task. It's not easy thing. People can't believe that somebody can do it, just for loves sake, for nothing at all, for no payment. They just can't believe it. They have to see it and then believe it, all right. Question: Not audible. Shri Mataji: "Absolutely spiritual, it's the complete. I am saying it's the manifestation of Spirit takes place. You see the Spirit when it starts manifesting what happens, you become collectively conscious. You become I say, you become collectively conscious, spiritual is that you become that. (The man continues to ask) That is what, that is what happens, no, no, it was down because you know Kundalini is the sustainer within you. I said you are your sustainer, you see, the Kundalini goes up, it gives light in different places and at the first height it shoots off and it gives you Realization. You touch it, but if you have problems then She goes and looks after that. It is the Kundalini who sustains you, isn't it?, So She goes and looks after you then She goes another part and She looks after it till She has repaired you, She comes and goes. Then She establishes, it takes sometime." Question continues.... Shri Mataji: "No, it is, no, no, no, it is, it is a power within you, you see, no, no, no, it is a power within you, to connect you with the whole. You are not yet connected with the whole, you see, the whole is the All-pervading power of Divine love. Then you connected with it, it is the connection, all right, the connection is within you. See, for example, the electricity is in this light, all right, but it has to flow through something, isn't it? All right, in the same way you are connected by this Kundalini to that Spirit which is universal in nature." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "But supposing I am, supposing I am, Should I committed it to you? Because you will crucify Me if I say that. You wouldn't? Are you sure? You would not, but if I say that, you see, if I have to say that it is the fact. Otherwise how will I arrange the Kundalini if there is nothing about Me, you understand My point? But I am tactful, why, I've learned a lesson, Krishna's time was different. He didn't tell anybody. He just told Arjuna. He didn't tell anybody. Did He tell anybody? Only Christ, (man continues with his question) yes, but no, He just told Arjuna, that's all. He didn't tell anybody else, be careful on that point. Now then another one was Christ, who just said, "I am the light, I am the path." He was crucified. So I've learnt the lesson in this life I am not going to tell the whole thing but I will later on. Of course, there is something about Me, no doubt about it. Yes they understand it, this question comes in, how can I raise the Kundalini. There must be something about Me." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "No, no, no, not at all, no, no, no, not at all, See now, there is light here but it is, it is been burning. It is not physical, in the sense it is coming out of that, or the electricity is passing through that, so energy can pass through something material. Energy doesn't become material, energy is energy, all right? So this energy is contain there. It is the energy that is, it passes through the channels which are within, see, and then you become all pervading. You can see yourself, you become that. No, no, no, just now let it happen, what I am saying let us see." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "That's the point, that's what I'll tell you, this is a very good point you have brought in. Sit down, I'll tell you. No, no, no, I'll tell you what. Sit down, sit down. I'll tell you what it is. It's not physical, it is a thing what you are saying is correct. The Kundalini burns people, much burn horrible people who try; they have no right to do it. Supposing energy, energy of electricity it is not material energy, isn't it? I agree, coming through the plug if you put your hand there and you get a shock, will you say that the energy is nothing but gives you shock, now what about these lights? The one who knows how to handle can only handle the energy, everybody cannot. Those people who try to handle Kundalini have to have a very Holy nature. They should have authority because it is unauthorized when they try it they get all these problems. Any energy can burn you. The same energy which is now giving here light, can burn the whole house. If you don't know how to handle it so that energy which is handled by wrong type of people will definitely burn them and give heat. But it is not that what happens is the waves of cool, always energy moves in waves, isn't it? The material things do not move in waves, it starts moving in your hands, you can feel it, like the energy flowing and the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If it is All-pervading power you can see just now I gave you an example, how a person discover, you can discover a person whether a person is a realized soul or not. For example, your Stonehenge in England, people have written so many books about it, they don't know a word. When I went there I said these are stones, which come out of the Mother Earth. They are all vibrating. You can feel it. They are spiritual people. How can you make out a Realized soul? How can you make out a Realized soul? You put your hands towards the person you can easily say he is not a Realized soul. If you are a realized person yourself otherwise you cannot, understand? If a person is a Realized soul, if a person has got spiritual powers or not, how will you make it out? Can you? Can you make it out? I make out all of them those who are Realized all of them can make it out, sitting down here. Even those who are dead, they can make it out because if they are, they spiritual, if they are really Realized soul of that level you can make it out. There are many fake people who think they are very spiritual, you can make it out. Then there is no doubt about it. I am happy you are so much interested in spiritual part of it. You see, when I start talking about spirituality most of them disappear. So I have to start from physical, mental and then emotional and then give them spiritual. It's the spiritual only. I am happy on this point very much with you. That is a concern if Kundalini is really the spiritual thing. It is, it is 100%. The Spirit can be only enlightened through this energy of Kundalini. There is no other way out, but in this country people, are more rational and they start thinking. So they have to be taken round and round. But in India people understand it very fast. It is the way to get out of your Bhavasagara, illusion and the Maya, all right, just sit down, you cannot argue it out, you have to find out." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "It has no form, of course, what is the form, does it have? What form does it has, you tell Me, Krishna had a form or not? He had a form, isn't it? Christ had a form, all right, but it was flowing through that form. It has no form but it flows through a form." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "It is not, it is not, what is the text about? I'll teach you Gita again, you see, what I am saying, you see, there is very great Gita teacher in London. Now he has learnt the Gita in a new way after the enlightenment. I think you go to him and learn it from him again. The thing is what Krishna has said is the same as I have said, only thing is the style He said it, is different, you see, He knew that the human beings are mediocre at that stage. So He just went round. He didn't tell you directly that, "You better get your Realization," He should have. He did not. He played the diplomacy. He told that you do your Karmas and put the fruit of the Karmas at the feet of the Lord. You cannot do it. You cannot unless and until you are connected with that energy. He put absurd condition. You because He knew people were fools. They will not listen. They will argue. He said all right, give them round and round way till they reach the conclusion that no, it is not the thing. He is very clever. But I am straight forward. He said Pushpam Palam [payam] whatever you have got it, I'll take it by giving it come to it He said, "Ananya Bhakti, see the word, Ananya, is very important. Ananya means when you are not alone or when you are one with that energy, it means that 'Ananya'. In everything whatever He has said it. He tried first to say the truth. He said that you should get the Gyana, is the enlightenment of your awareness. But when you found that Arujuna said that, "You are saying you should become the Saakshi and then asking me to go to war." He said he is a mediocre. I can play the same trick on you, which I do not want to because it is the time for you to get it now. What He said enlightenment of your awareness is Gyana. You have read Gita, translated by people who are not Realized souls. The one I met recently was Mascaro, he is a Realized Soul and he was very different. He has written many books. He translated Gita and Dharmapadha and all that and he said, "Mother the one who knows, knows. He recognized Me, no time because he is a Realized soul. [Shri Mataji is saying in Sanskrit ?] the one who see can see. The first thing he said was, "How are you going to." I said, "All right, I'll make them see." Krishna did not do that. That's 6'000 years back. That was the situation. But today is not. It is the all-pervading power of Divine Love. I've said hundred times but you have got some fixed ideas, you never heard Me saying. You become that power which has no form. It is all pervading. Everybody heard Me that. You can see on My tape also but if you come with fixed ideas you will fix to it and you will never go to the right point. And now better have it. I mean, if you get it well and good. If you don't get it I can't help you, depends on, it is not a simple thing. It has worked with so many of them may not work out with you. It does, of course, help you. As Krishna Himself has said it, "Yoga Shema Vahamiyam." You understand Sanskrit? Yoga means first you must have Realization and then the Shema. Shema means well-being, well-being takes place, that is what I told you what is the well-being. But Yoga must take place. This is also said in My lecture. But you never heard Me. So do not get your ideas fixed. In all these books, what are you seeking? Enlightenment, get that, no use reading books also." Kabira has said, ["Padi padi Panditha Moorga baye."] By learning too much even the learned has become stupid people. It is very true because they will go on saying like Nanaka has said that, "You have to find it within yourself, they will go on saying, 'you have to find within yourself, you have to find it within yourself', singing the song. Supposing I have a headache I say, "Take a medicine." I go on singing I have to take a medicine, I have to take a medicine, who is going to take a medicine? The reading is like that. It is all [Pa. ?] outside, better get it. The gentleman sitting next to you has got it and one step here has got it. And they are also know where you are stuck up. This is what is Sahaja. If they have got it why not you? You should also get it, all right. But over reading, conditioned mind and the Gita you have read, I don't know whose Gita you have read. Have you read Mascaro's Gita? Your are reading is very little, little knowledge is dangerous."	null	null	null	The Light of Truth, Public Program. Brighton (UK), 18 July 1980. Last time when I spoke to you I told you about the power that resides within us in the triangular bone called the sacrum which is called as Kundalini and which is responsible for giving us our second birth. In modern times the search for truth is so wide spread that it had to happen. It was all as if planned out that in modern times only the people who are seeking, who are seeking the truth, in various lives have to attain that awareness which will grant them the light of truth. The search is on, for example, a human being may be searching his joy in money, in power, in possessions, in seeking security for oneself but the search of the seekers is on and they have to find it and that is possible in this modern times. It has to work out but perhaps people are not aware that as the modern times are best suited for this seeking for this enlightenment, and also the modern times are the worst times. The reason is the modern times are the times of confusion. Everything that we do we are confused about it. We are not sure as to what we are doing is correct or incorrect whether we do in money, in power, or about seeking because this is the time where your wisdom is tested. If you are wise then you will choose wisely and that is why a confusion is created, you can say like puzzle, say in modern times life is much more puzzling than it was ever. Before the life was much more smoother, in the sense we lived ignorance and ignorance was bliss, but seeking we must do. We can't do without it. This is the highest seeking that a man has to achieve. First, it started with food in animal stage continued with us but now we are seeking something much beyond our comprehension but we are seeking. We don't know what we are seeking. But we are seeking is a fact. Now the confusion is what to expect and then how to seek. These two points are there but first of all I would like you also to know that when this seeking of the saintly people, of the good people, of the righteous people, of the virtuous people, is on, there is also a very powerful force of destruction is executing. There are people who do not want you to seek. There are people who want to make money out of your seeking. There are people who want to make you slaves out of your seeking. There are people who want to give you something by which you are destroyed, your being is destroyed. This kind, this kind of seeking of destroying the seekers has also built up into a very big force. It is not individualistic. Like we had in ancient times some rakshasas, some devils who incarnated on this Earth whom the Goddess had to fight. They came individually one by one. They had their own armies but one by one, but in modern times perhaps all of them have taken birth because they think this is the best time of confusion when they can reap their harvest of evil. By this kind of a darkness around it becomes even worse, it becomes even worse, the confusion is even much worse. We cannot understand how to seek them, how to find the right path, so many circuses are out, so many personalities are there with different kind of advertisements and everybody supplying, something like as if in the market, there is demand and people are here to sell it out. Naturally, one would be quite worried and one would be quite thinking about it. This is simultaneous but one must know if there are replicas, there has to be original, if there are plastic flowers there have to be real flowers, otherwise how would they copy? Now how to make out which is the truth? The point is, if it is our evolutionary process and in that we are going to achieve the truth that should happen to us in any case, normally because we have become human beings without putting any effort into it so if we have to become a higher human being it should happen to us spontaneously. So one thing should be there that there should not any effort involved. This should be one of the criterias. Secondly, we have not paid a single Pai for becoming a human being from chimpanzee, did we? We got it all free. You cannot pay for your evolution. You can pay for anything else but not for your evolution. So you cannot pay, I mean, by paying or going through courses you cannot do it. It is some sort of a living thing that is going to happen. You should see other living things, for example, a flower cannot become a fruit by paying any money to it. If it is a living process that is going to bring forth a fruit then we cannot pay. Then we cannot put any effort. It has to be spontaneously worked out. And then it has to be with us when we are born. The potentiality has to be with us, when we are born. Like a seed has got the potentiality to become a tree or a flower has got a potentiality to become a fruit. In the same way this potential power should be within us. Otherwise how are we to be become something else? How are to be born again? If you come to that conclusion then you say that it is born with you that is Sahaja, it's born with you, it is with you. It is your own power within yourself. So what is the difference? The difference is that as human beings now you have to know that you have become that. So far, up to this evolutionary process it was not necessary for you to know that you have become from amoeba to a fish and from fish to a turtle and from a turtle to a pig and then onwards you have become a chimpanzee, from chimpanzee to human beings. It was not necessary for you to know but at this stage it is necessary that you should know, but why? Again the question comes in because why is the problem of today. The question comes in why we should know. The question is all right but answer is like this, that the evolutionary process till you become human beings were done you have no freedom to choose. At this stage, you have freedom to choose to develop yourself in such a way that you have freedom to choose. Now once you have freedom to choose, you choose rightly. And rightly when you choose you get it, because the evolutionary process, now is a much higher, much higher thing and meant for people of great calibre not for cheap people, frivolous people, people who have no self-esteem, it is not. It is meant for people of great calibre. Those people are of very ordinary calibre, of ordinary nature cannot get it, to begin with. Later on when this happens, this adventure is achieved by a few, many will follow but to achieve this adventure, the beginning of it can be done only through people who are truly seeking, people who are courageous, who would like to have the flight. And those who are not courageous enough, those who are not fully equipped for it, those who do not have that calibre cannot achieve it. Such people cannot face the truth, they cannot. It is beyond them. They just want to carry on with something, which is very, very simple, in the sense that which is compromising with their values and so called weaknesses. For example, if I have to say that in Sahaja Yoga you don't have to give up anything but later on you suddenly give up because your priorities changed. You just give up those things, which you could not live with, the things that have made you a slave, to which you got addicted. You just get rid of them because you have become master of yourself. It happens spontaneously. It happens so spontaneously but if you are not a person who is believe to understand that you are a slave of these things and you have been really enslaved and it is going to carry you into a ditch later on, then you may just leave the place and think, "Oh God, this is too much for me." If a transformation takes place naturally, your priorities will change. For example, there is no light in this room so how you walk, groping everything but if there is light you become straight, and you walk straight to your seat. In the same way when there is enlightenment within you, your priorities change and you become a master of yourself, absolutely a master. You are no more enslaved by anything, nothing can guide you. You start guiding your own destiny and the destinies of many, by giving them enlightenment yourself. Now these dark forces that are here can only be neutralized by the force of Divine love. People talk of love but they have no idea as to what Dvine love is. They have no idea whatsoever because it is said in Gita the one who see can only see, the one who does not see cannot see, it's a very simple thing. No use talking to people who cannot see but I would say why not make them see the thing. Supposing they see the thing then all the priorities change. Not only that you get a transformation in your awareness you become dynamically aware. You start understanding, (Shri Mataji is asking a child to sit down and the children should not disturb in the hall) You start understanding the problems within you because you are separated from yourself. You start understanding the problems in other people. For example, when the centers in your being, as shown here, are excited by this power of Kundalini then these centers are empowered, sort of recharged and the centers, which are controlling the plexuses outside on the gross plain, also enrich those plexuses. And first thing that happen to us that we improve physically to such an extent that even cancer is cured. I mean, cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga, by no other way. When the Kundalini rises slightly higher than that, then you reach one of the centers there, the fourth center of the heart, various sense of securities established. Once the sense of securities establish your mental problems start dissolving. Those who suffer from mental problem become better off. Their mental conditions improve but normally a person is mentally handicapped in the beginning finds it difficult because he get suggestions, like the gentleman who was here just now, they just can't bear it, they just run away. But if you have patience you can work on them and you can cure mental patients as we have cured epilepsy of the worst type. There are some people sitting here who had epilepsy of the worst type. They would have been in the mental hospital. Once your sense of securities is established your mental conditions becomes normal. But one has to have little courage. There is nothing to be frightened in Kundalini awakening. She is your Mother and She loves you and She has been born again and again with you and She is just waiting for this chance to happen. If it happens, you will be amazed how you get changed and now here you know there are at least 50% people, may be more who are Realized souls and who have got this. But when this Kundalini rises higher to this position then a person becomes a witness. He just feels that the drama is over. He is not involved anymore and then he becomes dynamic because if you are involved in a situation you cannot do anything about it. You are all the time frantic or worried or looking at your watches and things like that. But if you are above it then you can solve your problems better. You become a Saakshi, a witness which Shri Krishna has said, Christ has said, Mohammed has said that you have become a Saakshi, a witness. This is just a drama going on and you are involved into it and the drama breaks through and when this drama breaks you start seeing it, you start laughing at it, at yourself also that why was I worried, this is just a drama and then when the Kundalini rises even higher at that point and crosses it you become thoughtlessly aware. There is no thought in your mind. You do not think anymore. You become silent. One thought arises and falls off, another arises and falls off, in between these thought you just stand in the present, you become, and when the Kundalini pierces the last center, this one, then a cool breeze starts flowing from your hands, you start feeling the power flowing through. First time the central nervous system is feeling. At this time you will be amazed the, all the five centers here, six and seven centers start indicating, in the sense that all of them get enlightened and if you place your hands like this, suddenly you will find there is a tingling going in here or in here, or in here and these all demarked the centers which are in problem within you, on the left side or right side. The left side is the emotional side and the right side is your physical and mental side. You start understanding yourself that here is the problem which is within us. For example, Brighton has a problem on here, mainly; now this stands for unauthorized working of God's power. For example, there must be lot of black magic going on here. There must be lot of people who are doing all kinds of Guru Vidya and all sort of things, which should not be done, means people who are not authorized to do God's work are doing, this means that. And this percentage is quite a lot here. And when this center is spoilt which is very difficult because this encompasses even your mind and you get ideas from these people and you are so ruined by them that it is very difficult for you to see the truth. That's why again and again I come to Brighton because I know you have one great advantage that is of sea. And how much the sea can take away also I don't know. But there are lots and lots of people who are practising these bad things here. They perform all kinds of so-called miracles. For example, they remove this one from here to there. Now what does it matter in the eyes of God, just think of it, can't you remove yourself? They may give you a diamond just like this, you will think, "Oh God, I'll become so very rich." You might be having ten diamonds first then they give you one diamond, take away all the ten. Why should God give you diamonds? What are diamonds for God? Just dust of His feet. To human beings it's all important the bank balance these things. God doesn't operate all these things. He creates all the diamonds of the world, why should He worry about giving you diamonds, all nonsense it is. Then there are some people who may show another kind of miracle like mesmerising you. They really mesmerise you and you get enamoured by it like some people start jumping, taking out their clothes, why will God do that? I mean by taking out your clothes, do we become God, can you become? I mean, how do you get evolved? After all you used to wear clothes, now are you going to take it out? For so many years you have been wearing before that you never wore any clothes. So are you going to now become very much realized, if you take out your clothes, start jumping like mad. Then some people say that you can jump like a frog. There was one person in Kolapur he was sitting with both his legs towards Me. So some of the Sahaja Yogis went and said, "You can't sit like this towards Mother." He said, "I am sorry if I just pull my legs I will start hopping like a frog." So then I called him and said, "Why did you hop like a frog?" He said, "My guru told me that when Kundalini awakened you start hopping like a frog and mine is already awakened and I am hopping like a frog. All the time I am hopping like a frog." I said, "Now if your Kundalini is awakened, are you going to become a frog after becoming a human being? You have to become something higher or lower than animal? Tomorrow you will be twisting like a worm and become a worm?" Then there are some people who are going out for flight. There are some here who went for flying also. Thousands of pounds they have spent for a bluffer who just bluffed them. They should have asked the fellow to fly, to begin with, you see, drop him from some, from tower you see, this, what do you call it, leaning tower of Pisa. That's the best place I would say. Take him up there and drop him from there and see how far he can fly. It is very easy to do that to find out. But no, people paid lot of money, then we should think, "Are we going to become birds now?" It is nowhere in the scriptures said that you will be flying in the air. From where do you get this idea, anybody comes with such ideas why should people take it? Now you will be surprised we laugh at it but there are hundred thousand people, these Britishers, who are known for their wisdom, only Britishers I am saying, there are altogether two million people in the world who are following this man who is teaching flying. Can you believe such stupidity, such mass stupidity exists because it happens, because these are simple people they are mesmerised, absolutely mesmerised, to such an extent that they cannot think that thinking is zero, out of which these people who have come to Me, I've seen it. They were in the most miserable state and even today they are, and it's acting like a Mafia. Nobody can say that they are in that condition. This is the stupidity to which we succumbed, when we are mesmerised we cannot even think, we cannot know how we are going, what are our movings, how we have to move. We just go on under the blanket, black blanket and once we discover we are lost, we find that we are in the lunatic asylum, or in the jail. From the same lot we have had people who were in coma for 10 days, just different like this, nobody knew this kind of a disease, this has come out of the so-called flying business, for which you pay and you become a lunatic. So it is necessary also to see the other people who and it's very sad because these are all saints seeking God, who have been tortured and looted by these people. This I have been saying from 1970 loudly, I have taken their names and flouted them and spoke everywhere I went, I spoke in America and everywhere I told that, "Don't trust these people, don't trust these people," but nobody would listen. Recently I went to - Bristol I believe, where some Indians had come and some others had come and the people said, "Mother we are surprised that a guru had come here about a year back and there were thousands to see him." And this guru has no credibility of any kind. He came from right from South Africa and suddenly there were thousands to meet him and this guru has now, been found out to be a drunkard and has got five, six keeps. What is his credibility? From where does he come? He says, "I have a big business." Whatever it is, why is he here? It is also necessary that we should find out, what sort of a life the person leads. Now what should we expect to happen, I have told you that you become, there is an actualization of the experience that you become, you become that superior person, endowed with supreme power of love. You become that. It is not only giving you the lecture that you are brothers and sisters and treat everyone very happily and they are all your own. It's not lecturing, it's not brain washing. It is an actualization, it should happen to you. You should become that. You should feel others within yourself. You should feel others are part and parcel of your being. Then only it is so. Otherwise we have got United Nations, we have got so many organizations, brothers and sisters organization I call them, all put together, but it's all rational. It is not the thing happening within yourself. But when the Kundalini rises, She enlightens the Spirit in your heart and then the projection of the heart's quality which is Divine love starts manifesting and you start feeling in your hands the cool breeze, the cool radiance, the cooling radiance of the heart, which is described as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, which is a happening, again and again I am telling you. It's not just telling you something that it should happen and you should become like this. Now it takes only a split of a second. You are just ready for it. How much time does it takes to light this thing, just split of a second. But supposing the wig is not all right the petrol is not, I mean the oil is not all right there is a problem in here, something then it takes time to be corrected. If you are absolutely a normal person it should be that and once it is risen it doesn't fall down. But we have noticed that it doesn't work out that way, with many of you. Many people who get Realization, go back home and lose it and they give it up. This is another style of seeking. They find it is too much or I don't know what they find but if you take, a say 100 pounds from a person for a course on Sahaja Yoga, which you cannot, then they will come on because they think they have paid 100 pounds - better go through it. It is a funny human nature. And how to make this Divine love fit into it, it's a very difficult thing. Unless a human being rise up to a certain position of self-esteem it doesn't fit into them. They have to recognize their Realization, they have to understand that you have got it, that you have to establish yourself so I do not know how to make these two things meet. For example, it is very easy to pamper your ego and take out all the money you have in your purse or your properties and everything. It's the easiest thing to do is to pamper your ego and tell you lies. But by that you do not gain anything. Now if I have to give you something I have to make you equal to it, isn't it? If there is something lacking, if there is a hole in a pitcher, how are you going to fill in the Ganges? So you fill in the Ganges, go home and find the whole Ganges is disappeared and you think it is not worth it. Come back, the hole can be filled in. The hole can be again fixed and you can be repaired and you have to contain within yourself. You have to contain within yourself that power. So many of you have done it, now in England we can say we have lots of people, lots and lots and lots who have done it and all over the world we have to do it. Of course, in India, in the villages of India I should say, not in the city, cities are meant for all these moneymakers, not for Me. I am not interested in Indian cities, the people who are in the cities, even the Indians who are here I don't know how I work out with them. I am sorry but it is the fact. Same in India, the city dwellers are getting sophisticated now. But the villagers who still are innocent and simple people get it in thousands, in thousands. We got the films of people how they get it, how they work it out. It is spreading like fire, especially in Maharashtra. Also it's started in other places and I am sure it will work out. Now we have to see how many of you are willing to take up the challenge. It is the question of challenge to you to achieve it, and to establish it and to know that you have all the powers, all the potential powers within you, just you have to achieve it, just you have to get it. You need not be a big minister for this, on the contrary they are difficult, rather difficult, such people are quite difficult because they have a very big ego in the head, you see that yellow stuff, it covers the whole head of so many of these people. They are rather difficult. You have to be a noble person, Saamaniya, means ordinary, if you are over successful the ego has to be punctured somewhere, otherwise too much, very big, the Kundalini cannot enter it. If there is balance of ego and superego in your head then it will be able to work out. But even if you have ego it can be given balance, you can be cured, even if you have sickness it can be done, everything can be done but today that the time has come where thousands can get their Realization and can be established because the last judgement has started. The last judgement is going to be through Kundalini awakening. As if the Kundalini is the pointer in the balance. It has started now. People are not aware that it has started. They do not want to be judged as yet but time should not be lost but this judgement is so beautiful that when you are judged you get the powers of your own, of your love. You enjoy the bliss of your Spirit. You become so peaceful, all the tensions disappear, you become so dynamic and the blessings of all the well-beings come on you as Krishna has said, "Yoga shema vahamiyam." First the yoga then shema, shema is the well being. If you have not achieved your yoga, the shema is not possible. People say I am preaching Adthvaitha of Shankarachariya, of course, it is the same, whether it is Shankarachariya or anybody. I am doing that. Only He was preaching and I am doing it. What Christ said, what Krishna said and what Mohammed said is noting but Adthvaidtha, that you have to become one with God. But there are many do not like it. They want to have Vaitha. They want to keep their personality, so-called with them. I asked the other day one gentleman, was minister and all that, I said, "What do you want to keep back, what, which part?" He said, "Not my ego." I said, "Then what is it then?" It is that only, you want to keep back your ego. Unless until you become big, you cannot evolve and how do you become big, by becoming the ocean yourself. A small drop becomes an ocean as you become one with the ocean. You become one with the awareness of God. This is what Christ has said, "You have to be born again." It is said by everyone, Moses has said it, everyone has said it. But people are telling you no, no, no that should not be done, because these middle agencies losing their income. How will they exist without it? Try to see these points, achieve your own powers of love. Achieve yourself, become yourself. If you want it, you can have it but if you don't want it, nobody can force this, nobody can take away your freedom. If you want to remain as you are, you are left with them. Then you face it up and live with it. But if you want the ultimate, the absolute, it is there. That's the only way you can get rid of your confusion. And get rid of all your ideas of relative existence, political, economical everything, can be only dissolved through the achievement of your absolute, because after Realization you can feel, you can ask any absolute question, for example, if you want to ask the question, "Is there God," immediately the cool breeze starts to coming out, tremendous, the answer come in. As if the computer you start working out because you are put to the mains. So it is necessary for the whole humanity to pay attention to this because the time is coming when the sorting out will take place. That time nobody is going to persuade or tell you, fill the hall and request you. The sorting out will be there, better get it now and establish it. Whole humanity is to be saved, no use doing patchwork. Do something substantial. Substantial is only possible if you go to the roots of this tree of life and nourish it, enlighten it. That's the only way one can do it. May God bless you all! If there are any questions please ask. Please ask Me questions but sensible one, not like this that Mr X has written in a book somewhere that is not necessary. Do not develop controversies. You are here to achieve something, not to just getting into arguments and discussion. If you have any question, you can ask Me. Ok you are asking, just put your hand. Question is not audible. Shri Mataji: That you should answer yourself. These are the questions, you are quite good at it. Now the first is very good question is, what is enlightenment? Second one is little embarrassing. If I am the one who sustains it. I'll answer the first one to begin with, all right? What is enlightenment? Let us start with an analogy. (Shri Mataji is talking to someone). Say, in this room there is darkness, all right? There is no way of judging things because you can see through your eyes only if there is light, all right and you come in the room you find this door, you think oh! The door is the one somebody says the chair is the one, somebody says chair is the one and somebody says the bench, the bench is the one, it's all relative. You do not know which is the truth, all right. You put on the light what you know, it's all there, in different places. It's placed here, it's placed there, it's like this and these removable, these are not removable, these are fixed things. Everything you see, all right. This is enlightenment. Now what, in the real sense what happens? When you get enlightenment within yourself is the deeper enlightenment, it is now enlightenment outside but you get the enlightenment within yourself. Then what do you start seeing and feeling? You start feeling your different centers on your fingers. You start understanding what is wrong with you, what centers, you see the different colours, you have got here. You know that this center is catching, means this finger supposing as I told you this finger is catching. This is on the left hand side of the Swadishthana Chakra, which is on the left hand side. With this also you get the knowledge, I mean you are told how to correct. Supposing you are catching on the right hand side, take a very concrete example, may be you are a liver patient, you are suffering from liver and mostly all of you suffer, liver in this country because you think too much. Now you will be amazed to know that by thinking you suffer from liver, nobody can believe, doctors won't believe but this center, this yellow center when it moves on this side, right side it converts the fat of the stomach for the use of your brain. So when you are thinking too much it is working out very fast and when it is working it out very fast it has no time to look after your liver which is supposed to be [dormant ?] and this is the center which you think. And around it, the over activity of this center creates a tension and this center goes into a terrible thinking process. You cannot stop your thinking, just go on galloppingly thinking, it's like, you can say cancer of thinking, people develop. They cannot control their thinking, uncontrollable thinking creates a problem and then this center spoilt and it is not responsible anymore for your liver, you get a bad liver. There are other things also to spoil your liver, in addition to that. Now you discover only that your liver is not all right, now you also know how to cure your liver. So you know physically what's wrong with you. You know mentally what's wrong with you. You know emotionally what is wrong with you. You also know what are your imbalances, what are your abnormalities, you know them on your fingers because it is all decoded. This decoding can be tested again and again and see for yourself, with others. I'll tell you an example, a simple example, somebody got Realization in London. He is an archaeologist. When I told him, he could not believe it. One day he started getting a little burning here and he asked Me, "What is the matter with this?" I said, these are centers of your father and this is the center of the throat so you can telephone to your father and find out whether he's down with bronchitis. He telephoned to his father in Scotland, his mother came on the phone and she said that the father is down with bronchitis. It is so much dynamically communicated. You are not enlighten about yourself but enlighten about others. You put your hands towards someone, when you are sensitive enough, can immediately say what is wrong with that person. Also you know how to cure it, and how to work it out. But with enlightenment you enter into the kingdom of God. You become the citizen of kingdom of God; means all the angels, and all the Ganas and all the great people of the heaven start helping you. And you are amazed that of the miracles that have happened. How it worked out. It's something so surprising that one by one you start seeing the whole drama and you are amazed as if you are held by angels and helped by them. When you are enlightened you are absolutely blissful. There is no tension anymore because the energy start flowing from you, all through you. We can give another analogy, when you are in the water the waves of water frighten you that you may be drowned. But supposing by any chance you are put on a boat or learn swimming you start enjoying those waves. In human beings only we can learn how to swim, overcome these and then this is a overall enlightenment, overall in everything, even say, for example, people who never knew a word about decorations and art and aesthetics, suddenly become aesthetics because of this enlightenment of this same center. Every center when enlightens has a new dimension open within you, say, for example, the first center that is down below if it is enlighten through Sahaja Yoga you gain back your innocence which you have lost, absolutely. Innocence is the very big power within us we starts manifesting and you can overcome all kinds of hidden things. If there is a man [with evil ways ?], he approaches you. He will be neutralized. He will be transformed. He will be very kind to you, extremely kind. The second power of the second center has the power of creativity. You get the creativity, which is living. So far you never had, we take everything from the nature. We have never given anything to the nature. When this center is enlightened then you give vibrations, say to a field of wheat. In India they have done experiments in many universities of Agriculture and we have many scientists are doing it, they are Sahaja Yogis and they have found out that the same seed if it is vibrated can produce five times more wheat, not only that but they stored that wheat in a big store where there were other things stored up. And the rats did not touch those bags, Gani bags which contained those wheats. It's worth seeing all these. There were cows, Indian cows do not give milk as much as the milk as much as other cows like, you can say New Zealand or Australian cows but these two type of foreign cows are extremely aggressive and their milk make people very, very aggressive and the taste is not so good. But Indian cows give very nice milk. It doesn't make people very aggressive and the taste is very good. But the Indian cows when they were given vibrations, supposing they have given five measure of milk they have started giving at least ten measure or twelve measure, not so much as these aggressive ones have give but their longevity increased. This is how you start giving these enlightened dimensions to things. For example, see this wire here, now I put My hand there I can enlighten this wire. You will be amazed if this is enlightened, it can take away all your problems even with one candle light you can take away so many candles, it's what seen. There was a person who was possessed, we told him a method of working it out with one candle and the whole wall started to become black, black coming out that and he couldn't understand but he got cured completely, means you can enlighten all the elements with these vibrations. The water gets the power to wash you inside out your sins and your problems. The light gives you the power by which you can burn off and fire out all your wrong things, which are spoiling you. Your skin becomes lustrous. You start looking very much younger than your age. You are absolutely relaxed. You become extremely kind and you enjoy your virtues of kindness. You never repent it. The first thing that happens to most of you that you start laughing aloud. We have someone here who laughed in Bristol. He found himself, and he himself said, "I laughed, where was I, what was I doing all this." There are thousand and one thing got enlightenment. But enlightenment actually means that your being is enlightened, means it has achieved the power of emitting love, of Divine love. It means you have become a hollow personality that the Divine love flowing through you. That on your central nervous system you start feeling that flowing through your being, it just emits. Like Christ said when somebody touched Him that, "Something passed out of Me, that energy of love." I hope, just now I cannot give you the whole thing but it will satisfy and the second part it devises the thing all right, I would say that if I am the gardener I have to look after the seeds, isn't? But it is your own. For the time being I may, for example, this light goes out, you put it on again you are looking after it because that's My job is to enlighten you so till it takes its own form of light I have to look after it. I do look after it but if I say sustain then I would say you sustain it but I look after it and I make you sustain also. Is there anything wrong? If you could do it I would be very happy, really, it's a tremendous task, it's is a sort thing to maintain it. Even today raising Kundalini is not easy. I have to carry all the load upon Myself and day in and day out I am working very hard you can ask anyone. It's too much of a task. It's not easy thing. People can't believe that somebody can do it, just for loves sake, for nothing at all, for no payment. They just can't believe it. They have to see it and then believe it, all right. Question: Not audible. Shri Mataji: "Absolutely spiritual, it's the complete. I am saying it's the manifestation of Spirit takes place. You see the Spirit when it starts manifesting what happens, you become collectively conscious. You become I say, you become collectively conscious, spiritual is that you become that. (The man continues to ask) That is what, that is what happens, no, no, it was down because you know Kundalini is the sustainer within you. I said you are your sustainer, you see, the Kundalini goes up, it gives light in different places and at the first height it shoots off and it gives you Realization. You touch it, but if you have problems then She goes and looks after that. It is the Kundalini who sustains you, isn't it?, So She goes and looks after you then She goes another part and She looks after it till She has repaired you, She comes and goes. Then She establishes, it takes sometime." Question continues.... Shri Mataji: "No, it is, no, no, no, it is, it is a power within you, you see, no, no, no, it is a power within you, to connect you with the whole. You are not yet connected with the whole, you see, the whole is the All-pervading power of Divine love. Then you connected with it, it is the connection, all right, the connection is within you. See, for example, the electricity is in this light, all right, but it has to flow through something, isn't it? All right, in the same way you are connected by this Kundalini to that Spirit which is universal in nature." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "But supposing I am, supposing I am, Should I committed it to you? Because you will crucify Me if I say that. You wouldn't? Are you sure? You would not, but if I say that, you see, if I have to say that it is the fact. Otherwise how will I arrange the Kundalini if there is nothing about Me, you understand My point? But I am tactful, why, I've learned a lesson, Krishna's time was different. He didn't tell anybody. He just told Arjuna. He didn't tell anybody. Did He tell anybody? Only Christ, (man continues with his question) yes, but no, He just told Arjuna, that's all. He didn't tell anybody else, be careful on that point. Now then another one was Christ, who just said, "I am the light, I am the path." He was crucified. So I've learnt the lesson in this life I am not going to tell the whole thing but I will later on. Of course, there is something about Me, no doubt about it. Yes they understand it, this question comes in, how can I raise the Kundalini. There must be something about Me." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "No, no, no, not at all, no, no, no, not at all, See now, there is light here but it is, it is been burning. It is not physical, in the sense it is coming out of that, or the electricity is passing through that, so energy can pass through something material. Energy doesn't become material, energy is energy, all right? So this energy is contain there. It is the energy that is, it passes through the channels which are within, see, and then you become all pervading. You can see yourself, you become that. No, no, no, just now let it happen, what I am saying let us see." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "That's the point, that's what I'll tell you, this is a very good point you have brought in. Sit down, I'll tell you. No, no, no, I'll tell you what. Sit down, sit down. I'll tell you what it is. It's not physical, it is a thing what you are saying is correct. The Kundalini burns people, much burn horrible people who try; they have no right to do it. Supposing energy, energy of electricity it is not material energy, isn't it? I agree, coming through the plug if you put your hand there and you get a shock, will you say that the energy is nothing but gives you shock, now what about these lights? The one who knows how to handle can only handle the energy, everybody cannot. Those people who try to handle Kundalini have to have a very Holy nature. They should have authority because it is unauthorized when they try it they get all these problems. Any energy can burn you. The same energy which is now giving here light, can burn the whole house. If you don't know how to handle it so that energy which is handled by wrong type of people will definitely burn them and give heat. But it is not that what happens is the waves of cool, always energy moves in waves, isn't it? The material things do not move in waves, it starts moving in your hands, you can feel it, like the energy flowing and the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If it is All-pervading power you can see just now I gave you an example, how a person discover, you can discover a person whether a person is a realized soul or not. For example, your Stonehenge in England, people have written so many books about it, they don't know a word. When I went there I said these are stones, which come out of the Mother Earth. They are all vibrating. You can feel it. They are spiritual people. How can you make out a Realized soul? How can you make out a Realized soul? You put your hands towards the person you can easily say he is not a Realized soul. If you are a realized person yourself otherwise you cannot, understand? If a person is a Realized soul, if a person has got spiritual powers or not, how will you make it out? Can you? Can you make it out? I make out all of them those who are Realized all of them can make it out, sitting down here. Even those who are dead, they can make it out because if they are, they spiritual, if they are really Realized soul of that level you can make it out. There are many fake people who think they are very spiritual, you can make it out. Then there is no doubt about it. I am happy you are so much interested in spiritual part of it. You see, when I start talking about spirituality most of them disappear. So I have to start from physical, mental and then emotional and then give them spiritual. It's the spiritual only. I am happy on this point very much with you. That is a concern if Kundalini is really the spiritual thing. It is, it is 100%. The Spirit can be only enlightened through this energy of Kundalini. There is no other way out, but in this country people, are more rational and they start thinking. So they have to be taken round and round. But in India people understand it very fast. It is the way to get out of your Bhavasagara, illusion and the Maya, all right, just sit down, you cannot argue it out, you have to find out." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "It has no form, of course, what is the form, does it have? What form does it has, you tell Me, Krishna had a form or not? He had a form, isn't it? Christ had a form, all right, but it was flowing through that form. It has no form but it flows through a form." Question continues... Shri Mataji: "It is not, it is not, what is the text about? I'll teach you Gita again, you see, what I am saying, you see, there is very great Gita teacher in London. Now he has learnt the Gita in a new way after the enlightenment. I think you go to him and learn it from him again. The thing is what Krishna has said is the same as I have said, only thing is the style He said it, is different, you see, He knew that the human beings are mediocre at that stage. So He just went round. He didn't tell you directly that, "You better get your Realization," He should have. He did not. He played the diplomacy. He told that you do your Karmas and put the fruit of the Karmas at the feet of the Lord. You cannot do it. You cannot unless and until you are connected with that energy. He put absurd condition. You because He knew people were fools. They will not listen. They will argue. He said all right, give them round and round way till they reach the conclusion that no, it is not the thing. He is very clever. But I am straight forward. He said Pushpam Palam [payam] whatever you have got it, I'll take it by giving it come to it He said, "Ananya Bhakti, see the word, Ananya, is very important. Ananya means when you are not alone or when you are one with that energy, it means that 'Ananya'. In everything whatever He has said it. He tried first to say the truth. He said that you should get the Gyana, is the enlightenment of your awareness. But when you found that Arujuna said that, "You are saying you should become the Saakshi and then asking me to go to war." He said he is a mediocre. I can play the same trick on you, which I do not want to because it is the time for you to get it now. What He said enlightenment of your awareness is Gyana. You have read Gita, translated by people who are not Realized souls. The one I met recently was Mascaro, he is a Realized Soul and he was very different. He has written many books. He translated Gita and Dharmapadha and all that and he said, "Mother the one who knows, knows. He recognized Me, no time because he is a Realized soul. [Shri Mataji is saying in Sanskrit ?] the one who see can see. The first thing he said was, "How are you going to." I said, "All right, I'll make them see." Krishna did not do that. That's 6'000 years back. That was the situation. But today is not. It is the all-pervading power of Divine Love. I've said hundred times but you have got some fixed ideas, you never heard Me saying. You become that power which has no form. It is all pervading. Everybody heard Me that. You can see on My tape also but if you come with fixed ideas you will fix to it and you will never go to the right point. And now better have it. I mean, if you get it well and good. If you don't get it I can't help you, depends on, it is not a simple thing. It has worked with so many of them may not work out with you. It does, of course, help you. As Krishna Himself has said it, "Yoga Shema Vahamiyam." You understand Sanskrit? Yoga means first you must have Realization and then the Shema. Shema means well-being, well-being takes place, that is what I told you what is the well-being. But Yoga must take place. This is also said in My lecture. But you never heard Me. So do not get your ideas fixed. In all these books, what are you seeking? Enlightenment, get that, no use reading books also." Kabira has said, ["Padi padi Panditha Moorga baye."] By learning too much even the learned has become stupid people. It is very true because they will go on saying like Nanaka has said that, "You have to find it within yourself, they will go on saying, 'you have to find within yourself, you have to find it within yourself', singing the song. Supposing I have a headache I say, "Take a medicine." I go on singing I have to take a medicine, I have to take a medicine, who is going to take a medicine? The reading is like that. It is all [Pa. ?] outside, better get it. The gentleman sitting next to you has got it and one step here has got it. And they are also know where you are stuck up. This is what is Sahaja. If they have got it why not you? You should also get it, all right. But over reading, conditioned mind and the Gita you have read, I don't know whose Gita you have read. Have you read Mascaro's Gita? Your are reading is very little, little knowledge is dangerous."
7/19/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=4628	The Meaning of Puja	England	Brighton	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	63	"The Meaning of Puja". Brighton (England), 19 July 1980. Now for puja, one has to understand that without Realisation, puja has no meaning, because you are not ananya. Is, you have to become aware of your whole. Krishna's description of Bhakti is ananya. He says, "I will give you ananya bhakti", He wants ananya bhakti, means when there is not the other, means when we are realised. Otherwise He says “Pushpam, phalam toyum” (Bhagavad Gita verse 26) “A flower, a fruit and a water: whatever you give me I accept” But when it comes to giving, He says, “You have to come to Me with ananya bhakti,” means: when you have become one with Me, then you should have the devotion, not before that. Before that, you are not connected. Now puja is the left hand side projection. It’s the neutralisation of the right side, very much. Specially for people who are very right handed, atmosphere which is very right handed, puja is ideal for them. Is the bhakti, is the devotion...that you project. Now what happens actually when you project this puja? It has been found out, and now as I am telling you, that first you have to awaken within you the Deities that are still asleep, by worshipping them. But as these Deities, Primordial Deities, are with Me, you worship Me, and every Deity in Me is awakened, by which your Deities are awakened. So first, your vibrations must improve, to receive. If the reception is not good what's the use of any puja or projection? So first of all we, sort of, prepare our instrument, or prepare our projecting instrument. That preparation is done by praying to different Deities, as we call that: a Kundalini puja. By praying to My Kundalini you improve your reflection. Because then the vibrations from Me start flowing into yours and they awaken it. This is the projection as far as you are concerned. Once the instrument is alright, then you project outside. And now how do you project? By worshipping the Goddess as the Protector of the whole Universe, praising Her different attributes, even Her Face, Her Hands, everything has a meaning. Praising Her Powers. By saying that, by repeating that, you echo in your projection Her Powers, and then your projection becomes that powerful. It's a very subtle happening that takes place, it's miraculous. These things look so simple, like just like washing my Feet. Simple thing is washing my Feet. Now see these Feet, I don't know if you see, the whole Universe I see there and I really get stunned by them. When you wash My Feet, what do you do? Actually, My Feet have been working very hard. And then you put a little water to soothe them, to suggest that you can feel the effort put in by these Feet. And a kind of a very sweet, melodious love flows out of these Feet there. Like today I was coming, and I suddenly saw Paul (Winter) standing. Same thing happened to me. See, what a care it is, what an understanding, “Mother is coming, She should not be lost!” Just that, and the thing started melting. Because this love who understands everything, doesn't want anything, but is only excited if there is somebody to receive the love. Now how do you say you are going to receive? By expressing these small-small things. So when you soothe My Feet, wash Them, clean Them, you know what They mean: you recognise. That recognition, how are you to show? You see, these ceremonies, little ceremonies are important because they express your recognition. It could be absolutely dull, dead and finished, and it could be absolutely living, if you know why you are doing it. Then you apply some oil and things [to] again soothe My Feet. Just say, “Mother, You have worked very hard, Your Feet have worked very hard.” Just saying that itself, I mean makes no difference otherwise, if you say in a very rational manner, but to that Love that are these Feet it makes a very big difference. There is sweetness: a little thing, a little baby just puts her hand on her mother's cheeks, you see, just to express the gratitude, and the mother's heart starts jumping with love. It is a very reciprocal behaviour, it's very subtle and that kind of a subtle working is fixed already: it works that way only. The more you love from your heart, the more the joy will be there. The more you are rational and more mental, there won't be so much joy. It should be [that] first of all your cleansing is important but the projection should be towards your Mother, that is the height. Once you achieve that height, then you become all-powerful, and then you can give to others. But that giving is nothing but is a very, very, as I told you is a very mutual and absolutely reciprocal. Because the Devi knows about you, everything. If you are trying anything else, She knows and She will also tell you frankly that this should not be done, that should not be done, should not be done, clearly, so that you do not be under any misunderstandings about it. But still, to work it out, you must know it has to be reciprocal, it cannot be one-sided. The sincerity cannot be one-sided, it has to be both sides, then it works out better. And a kind of a homogeneous feeling with that Love comes in, sort of a lubricant, a beautiful feeling of movement within yourself comes in. Puja really is the triggering thing, it triggers you. It triggers you into another realm, it's really miraculous. Once you have done the puja then you can project out, much more, in your silence only. Your silence itself becomes so powerful. Now in this special case of our Western lives, we have to established our innocence, very important, it is the first thing that is attacked, innocence is attacked by so many things. So we have to established our innocence. And innocence is the most powerful thing: it doesn't see anything bad, it doesn't see anything wrong, it doesn’t see anything...It loves, just goes on loving, innocence. A child doesn’t know that the mother hates the child. The child doesn’t know if anybody hates. In innocence they live. And then they suddenly discover sometimes, they are shocked, how people are! They don't love! They don’t love. So Ganesha is very important for the Western countries, very important, because that's the essence of everything, I think, that's the most essential thing. That's why we worship Ganesha first. And Ganesha was created first of all, because He is the eldest son, He’s the first son. He’s the eldest brother you have, and though Kumara (Kartikeya) is treated as an elder brother always, while Ganesha calls Himself as a younger brother, though He was the first created! Because He remains young always, never grows. So in a way, He’s always younger to you also. It's a very, very subtle understanding: a very young little thing is so much wiser. He is wisdom. Can you imagine a little baby is so intelligent. A little baby so wise? Much more, He’s like a grown-up little baby, a very matured, wise, little baby. So by age, you are always older than Him, but by wisdom, He is the eldest. Then like this you should understand how we evoke all the Deities within us by doing these small things, by saying Their mantras. Because now you are awakened, every word you say is awakened now, is siddha mantra. On this Guru puja I'm really going to give you the way of how to do the siddhartha is the establishment of the siddha. To master. To master every chakra and every deity bestowed upon it. To master it, how to do it, I will tell you this Guru puja no doubt. Going to work it out. But this puja is to be done with full understanding, and with full recognition that it's a great fortune. Even the Devas are jealous of you, all the rishis are jealous of you, so many people are jealous of you. The greatest advantage for you, greatest fortune. Make full use of it. And they are very simple things that can please, very simple. You know your Mother can be pleased with very, very simple things. It's like that only. It's how much heart you have put into it, is the point. I think tomorrow we should have the puja, today we have understood about it. It is more to be felt and understood and realised than to be thought about. Because you'll go into thoughtless awareness. It is more source of triggering. For example, I think I'll ask Hari (Jairam) to give the miracle we had yesterday, would be [a] good idea. On our way we were coming, from...he was losing his way throughout, and Regis (Camille) was navigating him (laughter) so we were all lost! But then we had a miracle while coming back: there was in M1 (road) a complete jam and miles together we could see there is no movement. And suddenly, within two minutes, what happened, what I told him, and how he worked it out. Hari has a problem you see, I think Felicity (Payment) has the same mad problem. Where is she? Is she there? Yes? You see, like, to get after everything, to do it... Now he thought that I have told that you put your attention inside. Now he has a slope in his left side, as she has too, and when you do it too much inside, you go on the slope. So Hari being a wiser person in this respect because he’s not been a psychologist, he does not do that much, but Felicity does that, is to go over do it. I mean she goes down very very deep into her subconscious. While Hari understands there’s something's going wrong. I never said that you get after anything. Now, "put your attention inside” means: if you get Realisation by that. If you don't get Realisation, there's something wrong somewhere, you have lost your way, that's the main point is. So I told Hari that, “You don't put your attention inside because you go on the slope, your car is such that it doesn’t go the other way round, it goes into the slope, doesn’t go to the heart. So best thing is that now you [should] become active outside and forget about it (the inside). And after some time you’ll receive a balance.” I said “At this point..” Now he was trying to worry about the traffic. The other Mr. ‘Navigator’ (Regis) was also busy worrying about it! So I said, “Now, just now, you do not pay any attention anywhere, you just project outside and think of everyone, how we are going to get them realised” Only I said like this, and he started doing it. I said, “You never see the trees, you never do this” And then what happened? You tell. Within 2 minutes time? Everybody, Chaya (Camille, Regis’ wife) was there, all of them. Suddenly they found that the whole M1 (road) was empty and they were rushing fast, you see. There was not, hardly one or two cars. The whole M1 was emptied, absolutely! And they did not know how it happened. Just they were there. And none of the things that we were going…. Ray Harris: Was that yesterday afternoon on the M1 Mother? Shri Mataji: Not today, yesterday Ray: Yesterday. Because I was on a coach there, and we were in the traffic jam. Shri Mataji: Means you were in the traffic jam! (laughter) The whole traffic jam Ray: We were 1 mile from the exit and it stopped dead. And then we stayed there and suddenly it cleared and there were no cars! (laughter) Shri Mataji: Suddenly the whole thing cleared up! And suddenly, and they realised, and they didn’t know how it cleared up. He speeded the car, I said “How?” He said, “The car, I don’t know” and all the things that were in front of us, and all that, God knows where they disappeared [to]! Such huge big things and on the sides and this and that. Nothing! This is what is maya that upsets you. Project yourself outside. There was another experience I told these people was this: that there were two journalists, one Mr. Marathe and a friend who are Sahaja Yogis, and I went to the journalist's association, they had a meeting. And there is another one who told Me, “No, no Mother I have complete faith in You because there was a miracle that happened to a friend of mine, Marathe, who is a Sahaja Yogi.” I said, “What happened?” He said they were coming, by, from Poona down to Bombay, and their brakes failed, and the slopes, you see, on the ghats (mountains), it moves very fast. And suddenly they saw a huge big truck coming up, with all the lights on top, and they didn't know how to control, and they were about to dash out. Just they closed their eyes and they said, “Now, Mother, save us!” And suddenly they found that the car had crossed the thing, and the thing was moving upwards, the truck was moving. They didn't know, as if somebody had picked up that car and put it on the other side. So these miracles can work out in case you project yourself out. But for projecting outside, first you should be cleansed inside. But for that also, all the time if your attention [is like this -] “where am I catching?” Then you go onto rationality. “I must be catching because of this, I must be catching because of that.” I have told you hundred times not to say ‘why’. Give up this word ‘why’. “Why am I catching?” It will settle down. This maddening must go away! You cannot answer ‘why’ of anything in Sahaja Yoga, can you? “Why did I meet you?”, “Why did you get Realisation?” Ask hundred questions, two hundred, three hundred, five hundred - you will not have any answer! So give up that. It's not your rationality, it's the Grace, it's the whim of the Grace that's working it out! What are you trying at? Just ask for the Grace. Finished! It's silent. It works out. This is maddening! You’ll become mad people. This is the greatest madness that people want to know why of everything. How can you understand? You don't have that chitti to understand it. “[Mother] Can you explain?” How can I? If you make a little ant understand human civilisation and this dirty politics you play it may understand. But you cannot understand ‘why’ of God. This is the relationship. So now, you give it up asking questions like that. It's too tremendous for this rationality. “Why God is doing? How He does? What are His powers?” Only thing [you can do] as scientists, you note down - “Yes, it is so, yes, it is so, yes it is so.” Verify it and note down. Only your awareness is changed from the scientist, that you can see subtler working. But why it works? That's His whim! He'll do what He likes! Who are you to question God? How can you question God? Just give up asking this question ‘why’ and you will feel very much better. “It is God, you see, He does it!” This is what is faith. Not the blind, but real [faith], with understanding. I have told you this story of My grandmother many a times, as she used to tell Me about faith, and which I have repeated to you so many times, but again I'll repeat it today: There were three people at different places, and one man was going to see God. So they came to know about it. So one of them was in the forest, standing on his head, doing all kinds of yogas and things like that, and praying to God - must be with both hands towards Him, and soaking the feet, may be - like mad, you see, and asking, “Why don't You meet me? Why don't You meet me? I want to meet You! why don't you meet me?” And the man who was going to see God went through that side, and He said, “Now please go and ask Him why don't You come and see me? You better come and see me, Why don't You do it?” So he said, “Alright, I'll come, I’m sorry” He had become thin, you see, absolutely thinned down, condition very miserable. He said, “Alright, I'll go and tell God about you.” So, then he went up to God, no, no, before that. Then he met another type who was sitting on the street, and will be at the street side, and he said, “Oh! I heard you are going to meet God?” He said: yes, he is going to meet God. So he said, “Then communicate one small little thing.” He said, “What?” He said that, “Just tell Him I have had no food, please send me my food now, I'm hungry.” He said “What?” “Yes, you just tell Him that much.” So he went up. He saw God. So God asked, “Did you meet some people on your way?” He said, “Yes, I met a horrible one who is all time saying ‘Why not? Why this?” And “Why?”, “Should I do it and should I not?’ And this and that, is going on. So, will You go and meet him? He's asking.” He (God) said, “No, better tell him to do it little more, you see... still he has to do. He requires more effort. He won't be satisfied. Till he gives up his efforts, let him go on.” I mean he would have become mad like that. But now God says, “Alright, let him go ahead! What to do? If you tell them, they don't want to listen, so let them go ahead.” Then he said, “Then I met another mad fellow, who was on the street, he said that ‘ I'm hungry, ask God to send some food for me. Please ask. Tell God that I’m hungry.’ ” He (God) said, “Really?” He called all His managers He said, “Please send his food. Have you not yet arranged his food and all that? Please arrange it.” He was quite surprised. He said, “What is this? This man is just telling ‘I'm hungry’, and God is so much worried about this fellow and not worried about the fellow who is standing on his head and asking such a lot of questions to God.” So God knows everything, so He told him, “Now, alright you are going down, you just tell them one story to both of them, and see their reactions, and then you will know.” So He told him a story. “You tell them that, ‘I went to God and saw there, God passing a camel through the eye of a needle.’ ” and he said, “Really?” He said, “Yes, you go and tell them.” So he came down. This fellow was still on his head. He came back, “What did God say?” He said you have to go on still for some time.” He said, “Oh! Really? Well all glory to God!” He said, “Yes, he said so.” He said, “Really?" Then, “Did you see something special there?” He said, “Yes, I saw that He passed a camel through the eye of a needle!” He said, “No, no, don't tell me stories! How can it? Such a big camel! How can it pass through the eye? After all it's impossible! It is impossible! This is impossible! You are just now trying to befool me. Because you have been to God you think you can befool me. No, no, I cannot take it, no, I cannot take it!” So he went to another fellow, he was nicely eating his food. He said, “Yes! I knew, you see, I just told you because you asked me if you have to tell you anything, I knew God will send my food and everything. I'm quite alright.” He said, “Did you see anything wondrous there?” He said, “I saw the wonder of wonders, miracles of miracles, that God passed a camel through the eye of a needle!” He said, “What is so miraculous? He is God! He's God Almighty! What? He can pass even Universes after Universes through that hole! What is it for God? He is God Almighty don't you understand God Almighty? Because you have met Him, you think He’s nothing! Because you did it so easily, you think He’s nothing! Because He behaves like [that] you think He’s nothing! He’s God Almighty! So what? to Him, what is it?” Then he realised. This is Faith. That is what is enlightened within you with puja. Not your rationality which is brought down actually quite a lot. So with this idea, tomorrow, we'll have the puja, alright? May God Bless You. Sahaja Yogi: Jane just started labour, for the baby. Shri Mataji: Has started? Good, good, good. It will work out. In Jane’s case she never wanted a baby - big problem, you see. Funny ideas about children are developing in this horrible country, which is so shocking, so shocking. I mean the mother is the one who should have feelings. Every day you read such horrible stories about these mother’s. Can't imagine! They can be so cruel? The more I read about these things, one can't understand. How can they be cruel? I mean if you hear a little thorn has gone into the feet of a child your heart starts melting, you know. Innocence, is attack on innocence. The whole country is after innocence. Is old men running after young girls, all this is attack on innocence. I mean, extremely satanic, very satanic forces are let loose. They are attacking all the children of the world and everything. Yogini: Would You like some tea, Mother? Would you like some tea? Shri Mataji: No, but I think we'll have food. Better to have food. I've got some food for you. Heat it up and I hope you'll like it. Now. Got something for her. Can you imagine where people are killing their wives, their husbands? Yesterday, today, My husband was telling Me there was a case where a wife was killed and was put in the fridge, deep freeze. Can you imagine? And then Peter (Pierce) told another story that a lady delivered her child in the loo and left the child [to] die there. I mean, this kind of people can you imagine? They have only sex-love and a sort of dirty feelings for others, they have never good, pure feelings for anyone else. What should you say to such people? I just can't understand. Very destructive. Satanic. You see but there must be something satanic in people to accept such satanic things. I mean I cannot think of one case in India - one case - where a mother could kill the child. One case I cannot think. Even if it's a illegitimate child she would not like to kill but others may like to finish it off. That's different, but she would not. I mean just can't think of such a thing. Unbelievable! Unbelievable. They are so egoistical, so foolish. Donkeys they could be only. At the most donkeys are like that, I think, that's why Christ rode on the donkeys. Donkeys, are they egoistical? I don't think so, they are not. Moreover they are not also full of hatred, donkeys are not full of hatred. They are stupid people. You see, somebody must bully them then they are alright. The bullying starts like this: a French bullies English, I have seen it, puts them down. French think they are higher than the [English]. See the gradation is in the opposite direction. They think that the English are lower; I think definitely English are better than French as far as evolution is concerned, but the French have put them down. Yesterday I met - there was one Bangladeshi who was going back to Bangladesh. He says, “Many have gone from here. People don't know how many have gone; if they write it down they'll be amazed, because they are fed up." And funny, funny things, you see he told Me, he lived with four types of neighbours and he got so fed up with them. First neighbour he lived with, you see, he said that, "He had a daughter and I had a daughter of the same age, 14 years of age. And he [the Englishman] said ‘Why shouldn't we exchange our daughters, you see, for lovemaking?’ “ He got so angry and he ran away. Shri Mataji laughing: How can he? This was the first thing. Then the second one was, he said that, You see, his daughter was - little nausea she had or something. She's just 14 or something. So she went to the doctor and doctor said, "Did you - have you start giving her [contraceptive] pills and things, you see?" This upset him absolutely then. Like that he gave Me four horrible instances, the two others I cannot tell you to what extent it is. He said, "I'm not going to live in this country." I mean, they are just like stud-bulls going round, I tell you - horrible. And the women I don't know what to call them! What is the parallel? (laughing) Hawkers? Or what? The Hawks? What do you call the other side? Yogini: Hookers. Shri Mataji: Hooker? Hookers. Yogini: They get paid for it. Shri Mataji: Ha? Yogini: They get paid for it. Shri Mataji: They get paid for. Yes they get paid for. Shri Mataji: At least they can have a date and have some nice food somewhere in the Chinese. (laughing). Selling their chastity for cheap things. Different community altogether. It's a very nice picture, eh? There's only a Radha and Krishna both together in One Being. You have got of My eyes in many of My photographs. Some of these are.What is this one about? Really terrible. Ramadan, you see. Yesterday I must tell you, where is he? (Djamel) Yesterday Ramadan. Yesterday these Muslims came in, you see, they were waiting for 8 [O’clock], something time, you see? And then they started drinking like hell, I mean they drank so much of (laughter). By the way why did they do it? In the daytime what happened? What is the story? Djamel Metouri: Why do they do it? What do they do during the daytime? Shri Mataji: No-no-no-no no, no, why - what is the story, why did they fast? Djamel: Well it’s for the Koran, the Prophet Mohammed decided that every year there should be a time when all the people should fast to keep all their ? at bay. Akbar: To keep all the attentions at bay. Shri Mataji: They should fast - what...? Yogi: They should fast for one month because they have for at least one month in a year to keep away, You know, temptation from drinking and... Because at the time they were very licentious, You know they used to - Shri Mataji: Dining and wining! Djamel: Well they do still, but at the time they were much more. Shri Mataji: They used to drink like anything. So He said, "You better fast for one month, because He thought if you put one month, at least for one day they will do it. (Laughter) You see this is how, you have to put an extreme case, you see? But people say that, "Why they put an extreme case?" Because, you see if you put an extreme case then at least symbolically you'll do for one day or half a day. That was the reason, you see, because they never believed in fasting. They used to eat, gluttonous people, you see, horrible! They were living in tribes and very much eating, all the time attention was on eating. Djamel: It was not just that, You see all men should not eat salt anywhere, You know I mean - Shri Mataji: That all will start there. Djamel: And you mustn’t listen to anything harsh from people Shri Mataji: This was only for His disciples. Djamel: He was trying too, Mother, and to look at - Shri Mataji: -women - adulterous eyes. That they all do! You see, at least He must have thought that, "Give one month a trial, the whole year you can't do. So, one month give a trial like that," you see so He said, "Alright, try for one month." (laughing) But they can do fasting, is alright, and then when did he say that, eat in the morning and eat in the evening? Djamel: Yes, it’s said that you must fast from dark to - Other yogi: Dawn to Dusk. Djamel: Moonrise, I mean. Shri Mataji: But they eat with vengeance at both the times! Djamel: But they do in the night, they eat... Shri Mataji: ...with vengeance, you see, so everything is put upside down., Why He said it because, you see, all these systems were for his disciples. They would do Namaz for five times, He thought that He might be able to achieve the Realization part of it, you see. So He said, "All right, for one month, let's have a course like that." See they went on a course, sort of thing, "Let's work it out." And that thing has become a pattern now that they fast. It's all nonsense, it's madness. Djamel: Mother I think it must be very good, if someone is going to meditate, You know, but for one whole month it’s a lot. Shri Mataji: See, if they are paying attention to their food only, waiting for the time to come to drink it’s nonsense! Djamel: That's what they do. Djamel: But people go extreme You see even when they're weak person. A person should be able to stand it. But they still do it. And they end up in hospitals and when they die they're considered as martyrs. Shri Mataji: What do they say? Djamel: You know it's supposed to be very good to die in Ramadan. (laughter) Shri Mataji: Imagine. Djamel: And if there is a war you must be right in front line. Shri Mataji: Yes, like in the war you are dying. That's a war in a way, because you war against your weaknesses, war against your habits and things, it's true, no doubt! But that is a regular stuff, which one has to do, but that's not done, it's something very different, you know. Djamel: Crazy people live today, You know. Ray Harris: But You know, Mother, Jewish Rabbis decide that it's blasphemy today that you are trying to achieve union with God. Shri Mataji: Who says blasphemy? Ray Harris: Jewish, a Jewish rabbi, Mother. Shri Mataji: Is it? Ray Harris: And it said in the paper that we should only do His commandments, to become part of God is blasphemy. Shri Mataji: Aah, this is... Ray Harris: That's what he said, Mother. So we never aspire to achieve part of God that.. Shri Mataji: Because then his salary will go away. Ray Harris: Because it's a silly eastern religion. Shri Mataji: Actually this is what happened with somebody who had come there, he says that, "I don't believe in Shankara." He's a South Indian he said, "I don't believe in Shankara, because he believes in Advaita," - that is "Becoming one," you see. Advaita - ‘Dvaita’ is two, ‘Adwaita’ means "not two". "I don't believe in Shankara’s Advaita, I believe in dvaita, I want to remain myself, I do not want to get united with God, I want to remain myself. Why should -" I said "Which part of you that doesn't want to become with God?”, He said "Not my ego," I said, "How are you sure?" You see, this is the trick of the trade is. That's how they are going to continue. That’s why they don't want to be one with God. Because if they have to be one with God, then these in-between religions will disappear, isn’t it. (laughter) The agency will be losing its powers! End of tape Reading of Devi Mahatmyam before Shri Mataji's talk on The meaning of Puja. Brighton, UK - July 19, 1980 Shri Mataji:...You have to conquer this war, how? Because this is our war. Loudly. Very loud. A Yogi reads from Chapter 3 & 4 of Devi Mahatmyam: 1-2. "Then Ciksura, the great asura general, seeing that army being slain (by the Devi), advanced in anger to fight with Ambika. That asura rained showers of arrows on the Devi in the battle, even as a cloud (showers) rains on the summit of Mount Meru. Then the Devi, easily cutting asunder the masses of his arrows, killed his horses and their controller with Her arrows. Forthwith She split his bow and lofty banner, and with Her arrows pierced the body of that (asura) whose bow had been cut. His bow shattered, his chariot broken, his horses killed and his charioteer slain, the asura armed with sword and shield rushed at the Devi. Swiftly he smote the lion on the head with his sharp-edged sword and struck the Devi also on Her left arm. Shri Mataji tells some people where to sit. O king, his sword broke into pieces as it touched Her arm. Thereon his eyes turning red with anger, he grasped his pike. Then the great asura flung at Bhadrakali the pike, blazing with lustre, as if he was hurling the very sun from the skies. Seeing that pike coming upon Her, the Devi hurled Her pike, which shattered his pike into a hundred fragments and shattered the great asura himself. Mahisasura"s very valiant general having been killed, Camara, the afflictor of Devas, mounted on an elephant, advanced. He also hurled his spear at the Devi. Ambika quickly assailed it with a whoop, made it lustreless and fall to the ground. Seeing his spear broken and fallen, Camara, full of rage, flung a pike, and She split that also with Her arrows. Then the lion, leaping up and seating itself at the centre of the elephant"s forehead, engaged itself in a hand to hand fight with that foe of the Devas. Fighting, the two then came down to the earth from the back of the elephant, and fought very impetuously, dealing the most terrible blows at each other. Then the lion, springing up quickly to the sky, and descending, severed Camara"s head with a blow from its paw. And Udagra was killed in the battle by the Devi with stones, trees and the like, and Karala also was stricken down by Her teeth and fists and slaps. Shri Mataji: ...Devas, you see? Even they are useless sometimes. Enraged, the Devi ground Uddhata to powder with the blows of Her club, and killed Baskala with a dart and destroyed Tamara and Andhaka with arrows. The three-eyed Supreme Isvaari killed Ugrassya and Ugravirya - Shri Mataji corrects: Ishvari said with stress on the "Ish", Ugrasya said with stress on the "ya." Yogi continues: "...and Mahahanu also with Her trident. With Her sword She struck down Bidaala"s head from his body, Shri Mataji corrects: Bidala stress on "Bi." Yogi continues: "...and dispatched both Durdhara and Durmukha to the abode of Death with Her arrows. As his army was thus being destroyed, Mahisasura terrified the troops of the Devi with his own buffalo form. Some (he laid low) by a blow of his muzzle, some by stamping with his hooves, some by the lashes of his tail, and others by the pokes of his horns. Some he laid low on the face of the earth by his impetuous speed, some by his bellowing and wheeling movement, and others by the blast of his breath. Having laid low Her army, Mahisasura rushed to slay the lion of the Mahadevi. This enraged Ambika. Yogi realizes he has been leaving out the middle "s" in "Mahisasura" but struggles to get it right, Shri Mataji helps the yogi to say "Mahishasura." Mahisasura, great in valour, pounded the surface of the earth with his hooves in rage, tossed up the high mountains with his horns, and bellowed terribly. Crushed by the velocity of his wheeling, the earth disintegrated, and lashed by his tail, the sea overflowed all around. Pierced by his swaying horns, the clouds went into fragments. Cast up by the blast of his breath, mountains fell down from the sky in hundreds. Seeing the great asura swollen with rage and advancing towards Her, Chandika displayed Her wrath in order to slay him. She flung Her noose over him and bound the great asura. Thus bound in the great battle, he quitted his buffalo form. Then he became a lion suddenly. While Ambika cut off the head (of his lion form), he took the appearance of a man with sword in hand. Immediately then the Devi with Her arrows chopped off the man together with his sword and shield. Then he became a big elephant. (The elephant) tugged at Her great lion with his trunk and roared loudly, but as he was dragging, the Devi cut off his trunk with Her sword. The great asura then resumed his buffalo shape and shook the three worlds with their movable and immovable objects. Enraged thereat, Chandika, the Mother of the worlds, quaffed a divine drink again and again, and laughed, Her eyes becoming red. 35, And the asura, also roared intoxicated with his strength and valour, and hurled mountains against Chandika with his horns. And She with showers of arrows pulverized (those mountains) hurled at Her, and spoke to him in flurried words, the colour of Her face accentuated with the intoxication of the divine drink. The Devi said: 37-38. "Roar, roar, O fool, for a moment while I drink this wine. When you are slain by me, the Devas will soon roar in this very place." Shri Mataji: The wine doesn't mean fermented wine... today. Ha. Yogi continues: "The Rishi said: 39-40. Having exclaimed thus, She jumped and landed herself on that great asura, pressed him on the neck with Her foot and struck him with Her spear. And thereupon, caught up under Her foot. Mahisasura half issued forth (in his real form) from his own (buffalo) mouth, being completely overcome by the valour of the Devi. Fighting thus with his half-revealed form, the great asura was laid by the Devi who struck off his head with Her great sword. Then, crying in consternation, the whole asura army perished; and all the hosts of Devas were in great exultation. With the great sages of heaven, the Devas praised the Devi. The Gandharva chiefs sang and the bevies of apsaras danced. Here ends the third chapter called "The Slaying of Mahisasura" Shri Mataji: Read that little bit, when he's been slain verses. He's again born, you know that, everyone. Yogi repeats the requested verses: "The Devi said: 37-38. "Roar, roar, O fool, for a moment while I drink this wine. When you are slain by me, the Devas will soon roar in this very place." The Rishi said: 39-40. Having exclaimed thus, She jumped and landed herself on that great asura, pressed him on the neck with Her foot and struck him with Her spear. And thereupon, caught up under Her foot. Mahisasura half issued forth (in his real form) from his own (buffalo) mouth, being completely overcome by the valour of the Devi. Fighting thus with his half-revealed form, the great asura was laid by the Devi who struck off his head with Her great sword. Then, crying in consternation, the whole asura army perished; and all the hosts of Devas were in great exultation. With the great sages of heaven, the Devas praised the Devi. The Gandharva chiefs sang and the bevies of apsaras danced. Shri Mataji: Now the second part is the Devas praise then the Devi. That's a very good one. Read it also, Marcus. "The Rishi said: 1-2. When that most valiant but evil-natured Mahisasura - Shri Mataji: Rishi's the, what you call, Rishi's the one who is relating the story. Yogi continues: "When that most valiant but evil-natured Mahisasura and the army of that foe of the Devas were destroyed by the Devi, Indra and the hosts of Devas uttered words of praise, their necks and shoulders reverently bent, and their bodies rendered beautiful with horripilation and exultation. "To that Ambika who is worthy of worship by all Devas A child cries and Shri Mataji asks: Can you take the child out a little for a while? At the back, you see? You can sit beyond Linda, would be good idea. Alright? When the thing will be over then you can bring the baby in. Ha. Hm. Yogi continues: "To that Ambika who is worthy of worship by all Devas and sages and pervades this world by Her power and who is the embodiment of the entire powers of all the hosts of Devas, we bow in devotion. May She grant us auspicious things! Shri Mataji: Did you hear that? "Embodiment of all the powers." Yogi continues: "May Chandika, whose incomparable greatness and power Bhagavan Vishnu, Brahma and Hara are unable to describe, - Shri Mataji: Hara is Shiva. Yogi continues: "...bestow Her mind on protecting the entire world and on destroying the fear of evil. "O Devi, we bow before You, who are yourself good fortune in the dwellings of the virtuous, and ill-fortune in those of the vicious, intelligence in the hearts of the learned, faith in the hearts of the good, and modesty in the hearts of the high-born. May You protect the universe! Shri Mataji: This is a prayer. Yogi continues: "O Devi, how can we describe Your inconceivable form, or Your abundant surpassing valour that destroys the asuras, or Your wonderful feats displayed in battles among all the hosts of gods, asuras and others? "You are the origin of all the worlds! Though You are possessed of the three gunas You are not known to have any of their attendant defects (like passion)! You are incomprehensible even to Vishnu, Siva and others! You are the resort of all! The entire world is composed of an infinitesimal portion of yourself! You are verily the supreme primordial Prakriti untransformed. "O Devi, You are Svaha at whose utterance the whole assemblage of gods attain satisfaction in all the sacrifices. You are the Svadha which gives satisfaction to the manes. Therefore You are chanted (as Svaha and Svadha in Sacrifices) by people. "O Devi, You are Bhagavati, the supreme Vidya which is the cause of liberation, and great inconceivable penances (are the means for your realization). You (the supreme knowledge) are cultivated by sages who desire liberation, whose senses are well restrained, who are devoted to Reality, and have shed all the blemishes. Shri Mataji: See. That's why very few people stick on to Sahaj Yoga. The description of sages is clear-cut. Again read it? Yogi repeats and continues: "O Devi, You are Bhagavati, the supreme Vidya which is the cause of liberation, and great inconceivable penances (are the means for your realization). You (the supreme knowledge) are cultivated by sages who desire liberation, whose senses are well-restrained, -" Shri Mataji: "Senses are well restrained." Yogi: "...who are devoted to Reality," Shri Mataji: "Who are devoted to Reality." Yogi: "...and have shed all the blemishes. "You are the soul of Sabda-Brahman. You are the repository of the very pure Ri..." Yogi gets tongue tied on the words "Rig-veda". Shri Mataji asks: You are what? Yogi unsure: Rishis? Shri Mataji: Rishis are the people who are saints or sages. Yogi: "You are the repository of the very pure Rishis. sic Shri Mataji: All the sages, you see they are repositories. Is all the sages. Yogi continues: "...and Yajus hymns, and of Samans, the recital of whose words is beautiful Shri Mataji: These are Vedas. Yogi continues: "...with the Udgitha! You are Bhagavati embodying the three Vedas. And You are the sustenance whereby life is maintained. You are the supreme destroyer of the pain of all the worlds. "O Devi, You are the Intellect, by which the essence of all the scriptures is comprehended. You are Durga, the boat that takes men across the difficult ocean of worldly existence, devoid of attachments. You are Shri Laksmi who has invariably taken Her abode in the heart of Vishnu. You are indeed Gauri who has established herself with Siva. "Gently smiling, pure, resembling the full moon’s orb, beautiful like the splendour of excellent gold was Your face! Yet it was very strange that, being swayed by anger, Mahisasura suddenly struck Your face when he saw it. "Far stranger is it that after seeing Your wrathful face, O Devi, terrible with its frowns and red in hue like the rising moon, that Mahisasura did not forthwith give up his life! For, who can live after beholding the enraged Destroyer? "O Devi, be propitious. You are Supreme. If enraged, You forthwith destroy the (asura) families for the welfare (of the world). This was known the very moment the extensive forces of Mahisasura were brought to their end. "You who are always bounteous, those (fortunate ones) with whom You are well pleased, are indeed the object of esteem in the country, theirs are riches, theirs are glories, and their acts of righteousness perish not; they are indeed blessed and possessed of devoted children, servants and wives. "By Your grace, O Devi, the blessed individual does daily all righteous deeds with utmost care and thereby attains to heaven. Are You not, therefore O Devi, the bestower of reward in all the three worlds? "When called to mind in a difficult pass, You remove fear for every person. When called to mind by those in happiness, You bestow a mind still further pious. Which goddess but You, O Dispeller of poverty, pain and fear, has an ever sympathetic heart for helping everyone? "The world attains happiness by the killing of these (foes) and though these (asuras) have committed sins enough to keep them long in hell, let them reach heaven by meeting death eventually at the battle (with me)- thinking thus, that You, O Devi, certainly destroy our enemies. "Don’t" You reduce to ashes all asuras by mere sight? But You direct Your weapons against them so that even the inimical ones, purified by the missiles, may attain the higher worlds. Such is Your most kindly intention towards them. "If the eyes of the asuras had not been put out by the terrible flashes of the mass of light issuing from Your sword or by the copious lustre of Your spearpoint, it is because they saw also Your face resembling the moon, giving out (cool) rays. "O Devi, Your nature is to subdue the conduct of the wicked; this Your peerless beauty is inconceivable for others; Your power destroys those who have robbed the Devas of their prowess, and You have thus manifested Your compassion even towards the enemies. "What is Your prowess to be compared to? Where can one find this beauty (of Yours) most charming, (yet) striking fear in enemies? Compassion in heart and relentlessness in battle are seen, O Devi, O Bestower of boons, only in You in all the three worlds! "Through the destruction of the enemies all these three worlds have been saved by You. Having killed them in the battle-front, You have led even those hosts of enemies to heaven, and You have dispelled our fear of the frenzied enemies of the Devas. Salutation to You! "O Devi, protect us with Your spear. O Ambika, protect us with Your sword, protect us by the sound of Your bell and by the twang of Your bow-string. "O Candika, guard us in the east, in the west, in the north and in the south by the brandishing of Your spear. O Iswari! "Protect us and the earth with those lovely forms of Yours moving about in the three worlds, as also with Your exceedingly terrible forms. "O Ambika, protect us on every side with Your sword, spear and club and whatever other weapons Your sprite-like (soft) hand has touched."	null	null	null	"The Meaning of Puja". Brighton (England), 19 July 1980. Now for puja, one has to understand that without Realisation, puja has no meaning, because you are not ananya. Is, you have to become aware of your whole. Krishna's description of Bhakti is ananya. He says, "I will give you ananya bhakti", He wants ananya bhakti, means when there is not the other, means when we are realised. Otherwise He says “Pushpam, phalam toyum” (Bhagavad Gita verse 26) “A flower, a fruit and a water: whatever you give me I accept” But when it comes to giving, He says, “You have to come to Me with ananya bhakti,” means: when you have become one with Me, then you should have the devotion, not before that. Before that, you are not connected. Now puja is the left hand side projection. It’s the neutralisation of the right side, very much. Specially for people who are very right handed, atmosphere which is very right handed, puja is ideal for them. Is the bhakti, is the devotion...that you project. Now what happens actually when you project this puja? It has been found out, and now as I am telling you, that first you have to awaken within you the Deities that are still asleep, by worshipping them. But as these Deities, Primordial Deities, are with Me, you worship Me, and every Deity in Me is awakened, by which your Deities are awakened. So first, your vibrations must improve, to receive. If the reception is not good what's the use of any puja or projection? So first of all we, sort of, prepare our instrument, or prepare our projecting instrument. That preparation is done by praying to different Deities, as we call that: a Kundalini puja. By praying to My Kundalini you improve your reflection. Because then the vibrations from Me start flowing into yours and they awaken it. This is the projection as far as you are concerned. Once the instrument is alright, then you project outside. And now how do you project? By worshipping the Goddess as the Protector of the whole Universe, praising Her different attributes, even Her Face, Her Hands, everything has a meaning. Praising Her Powers. By saying that, by repeating that, you echo in your projection Her Powers, and then your projection becomes that powerful. It's a very subtle happening that takes place, it's miraculous. These things look so simple, like just like washing my Feet. Simple thing is washing my Feet. Now see these Feet, I don't know if you see, the whole Universe I see there and I really get stunned by them. When you wash My Feet, what do you do? Actually, My Feet have been working very hard. And then you put a little water to soothe them, to suggest that you can feel the effort put in by these Feet. And a kind of a very sweet, melodious love flows out of these Feet there. Like today I was coming, and I suddenly saw Paul (Winter) standing. Same thing happened to me. See, what a care it is, what an understanding, “Mother is coming, She should not be lost!” Just that, and the thing started melting. Because this love who understands everything, doesn't want anything, but is only excited if there is somebody to receive the love. Now how do you say you are going to receive? By expressing these small-small things. So when you soothe My Feet, wash Them, clean Them, you know what They mean: you recognise. That recognition, how are you to show? You see, these ceremonies, little ceremonies are important because they express your recognition. It could be absolutely dull, dead and finished, and it could be absolutely living, if you know why you are doing it. Then you apply some oil and things [to] again soothe My Feet. Just say, “Mother, You have worked very hard, Your Feet have worked very hard.” Just saying that itself, I mean makes no difference otherwise, if you say in a very rational manner, but to that Love that are these Feet it makes a very big difference. There is sweetness: a little thing, a little baby just puts her hand on her mother's cheeks, you see, just to express the gratitude, and the mother's heart starts jumping with love. It is a very reciprocal behaviour, it's very subtle and that kind of a subtle working is fixed already: it works that way only. The more you love from your heart, the more the joy will be there. The more you are rational and more mental, there won't be so much joy. It should be [that] first of all your cleansing is important but the projection should be towards your Mother, that is the height. Once you achieve that height, then you become all-powerful, and then you can give to others. But that giving is nothing but is a very, very, as I told you is a very mutual and absolutely reciprocal. Because the Devi knows about you, everything. If you are trying anything else, She knows and She will also tell you frankly that this should not be done, that should not be done, should not be done, clearly, so that you do not be under any misunderstandings about it. But still, to work it out, you must know it has to be reciprocal, it cannot be one-sided. The sincerity cannot be one-sided, it has to be both sides, then it works out better. And a kind of a homogeneous feeling with that Love comes in, sort of a lubricant, a beautiful feeling of movement within yourself comes in. Puja really is the triggering thing, it triggers you. It triggers you into another realm, it's really miraculous. Once you have done the puja then you can project out, much more, in your silence only. Your silence itself becomes so powerful. Now in this special case of our Western lives, we have to established our innocence, very important, it is the first thing that is attacked, innocence is attacked by so many things. So we have to established our innocence. And innocence is the most powerful thing: it doesn't see anything bad, it doesn't see anything wrong, it doesn’t see anything...It loves, just goes on loving, innocence. A child doesn’t know that the mother hates the child. The child doesn’t know if anybody hates. In innocence they live. And then they suddenly discover sometimes, they are shocked, how people are! They don't love! They don’t love. So Ganesha is very important for the Western countries, very important, because that's the essence of everything, I think, that's the most essential thing. That's why we worship Ganesha first. And Ganesha was created first of all, because He is the eldest son, He’s the first son. He’s the eldest brother you have, and though Kumara (Kartikeya) is treated as an elder brother always, while Ganesha calls Himself as a younger brother, though He was the first created! Because He remains young always, never grows. So in a way, He’s always younger to you also. It's a very, very subtle understanding: a very young little thing is so much wiser. He is wisdom. Can you imagine a little baby is so intelligent. A little baby so wise? Much more, He’s like a grown-up little baby, a very matured, wise, little baby. So by age, you are always older than Him, but by wisdom, He is the eldest. Then like this you should understand how we evoke all the Deities within us by doing these small things, by saying Their mantras. Because now you are awakened, every word you say is awakened now, is siddha mantra. On this Guru puja I'm really going to give you the way of how to do the siddhartha is the establishment of the siddha. To master. To master every chakra and every deity bestowed upon it. To master it, how to do it, I will tell you this Guru puja no doubt. Going to work it out. But this puja is to be done with full understanding, and with full recognition that it's a great fortune. Even the Devas are jealous of you, all the rishis are jealous of you, so many people are jealous of you. The greatest advantage for you, greatest fortune. Make full use of it. And they are very simple things that can please, very simple. You know your Mother can be pleased with very, very simple things. It's like that only. It's how much heart you have put into it, is the point. I think tomorrow we should have the puja, today we have understood about it. It is more to be felt and understood and realised than to be thought about. Because you'll go into thoughtless awareness. It is more source of triggering. For example, I think I'll ask Hari (Jairam) to give the miracle we had yesterday, would be [a] good idea. On our way we were coming, from...he was losing his way throughout, and Regis (Camille) was navigating him (laughter) so we were all lost! But then we had a miracle while coming back: there was in M1 (road) a complete jam and miles together we could see there is no movement. And suddenly, within two minutes, what happened, what I told him, and how he worked it out. Hari has a problem you see, I think Felicity (Payment) has the same mad problem. Where is she? Is she there? Yes? You see, like, to get after everything, to do it... Now he thought that I have told that you put your attention inside. Now he has a slope in his left side, as she has too, and when you do it too much inside, you go on the slope. So Hari being a wiser person in this respect because he’s not been a psychologist, he does not do that much, but Felicity does that, is to go over do it. I mean she goes down very very deep into her subconscious. While Hari understands there’s something's going wrong. I never said that you get after anything. Now, "put your attention inside” means: if you get Realisation by that. If you don't get Realisation, there's something wrong somewhere, you have lost your way, that's the main point is. So I told Hari that, “You don't put your attention inside because you go on the slope, your car is such that it doesn’t go the other way round, it goes into the slope, doesn’t go to the heart. So best thing is that now you [should] become active outside and forget about it (the inside). And after some time you’ll receive a balance.” I said “At this point..” Now he was trying to worry about the traffic. The other Mr. ‘Navigator’ (Regis) was also busy worrying about it! So I said, “Now, just now, you do not pay any attention anywhere, you just project outside and think of everyone, how we are going to get them realised” Only I said like this, and he started doing it. I said, “You never see the trees, you never do this” And then what happened? You tell. Within 2 minutes time? Everybody, Chaya (Camille, Regis’ wife) was there, all of them. Suddenly they found that the whole M1 (road) was empty and they were rushing fast, you see. There was not, hardly one or two cars. The whole M1 was emptied, absolutely! And they did not know how it happened. Just they were there. And none of the things that we were going…. Ray Harris: Was that yesterday afternoon on the M1 Mother? Shri Mataji: Not today, yesterday Ray: Yesterday. Because I was on a coach there, and we were in the traffic jam. Shri Mataji: Means you were in the traffic jam! (laughter) The whole traffic jam Ray: We were 1 mile from the exit and it stopped dead. And then we stayed there and suddenly it cleared and there were no cars! (laughter) Shri Mataji: Suddenly the whole thing cleared up! And suddenly, and they realised, and they didn’t know how it cleared up. He speeded the car, I said “How?” He said, “The car, I don’t know” and all the things that were in front of us, and all that, God knows where they disappeared [to]! Such huge big things and on the sides and this and that. Nothing! This is what is maya that upsets you. Project yourself outside. There was another experience I told these people was this: that there were two journalists, one Mr. Marathe and a friend who are Sahaja Yogis, and I went to the journalist's association, they had a meeting. And there is another one who told Me, “No, no Mother I have complete faith in You because there was a miracle that happened to a friend of mine, Marathe, who is a Sahaja Yogi.” I said, “What happened?” He said they were coming, by, from Poona down to Bombay, and their brakes failed, and the slopes, you see, on the ghats (mountains), it moves very fast. And suddenly they saw a huge big truck coming up, with all the lights on top, and they didn't know how to control, and they were about to dash out. Just they closed their eyes and they said, “Now, Mother, save us!” And suddenly they found that the car had crossed the thing, and the thing was moving upwards, the truck was moving. They didn't know, as if somebody had picked up that car and put it on the other side. So these miracles can work out in case you project yourself out. But for projecting outside, first you should be cleansed inside. But for that also, all the time if your attention [is like this -] “where am I catching?” Then you go onto rationality. “I must be catching because of this, I must be catching because of that.” I have told you hundred times not to say ‘why’. Give up this word ‘why’. “Why am I catching?” It will settle down. This maddening must go away! You cannot answer ‘why’ of anything in Sahaja Yoga, can you? “Why did I meet you?”, “Why did you get Realisation?” Ask hundred questions, two hundred, three hundred, five hundred - you will not have any answer! So give up that. It's not your rationality, it's the Grace, it's the whim of the Grace that's working it out! What are you trying at? Just ask for the Grace. Finished! It's silent. It works out. This is maddening! You’ll become mad people. This is the greatest madness that people want to know why of everything. How can you understand? You don't have that chitti to understand it. “[Mother] Can you explain?” How can I? If you make a little ant understand human civilisation and this dirty politics you play it may understand. But you cannot understand ‘why’ of God. This is the relationship. So now, you give it up asking questions like that. It's too tremendous for this rationality. “Why God is doing? How He does? What are His powers?” Only thing [you can do] as scientists, you note down - “Yes, it is so, yes, it is so, yes it is so.” Verify it and note down. Only your awareness is changed from the scientist, that you can see subtler working. But why it works? That's His whim! He'll do what He likes! Who are you to question God? How can you question God? Just give up asking this question ‘why’ and you will feel very much better. “It is God, you see, He does it!” This is what is faith. Not the blind, but real [faith], with understanding. I have told you this story of My grandmother many a times, as she used to tell Me about faith, and which I have repeated to you so many times, but again I'll repeat it today: There were three people at different places, and one man was going to see God. So they came to know about it. So one of them was in the forest, standing on his head, doing all kinds of yogas and things like that, and praying to God - must be with both hands towards Him, and soaking the feet, may be - like mad, you see, and asking, “Why don't You meet me? Why don't You meet me? I want to meet You! why don't you meet me?” And the man who was going to see God went through that side, and He said, “Now please go and ask Him why don't You come and see me? You better come and see me, Why don't You do it?” So he said, “Alright, I'll come, I’m sorry” He had become thin, you see, absolutely thinned down, condition very miserable. He said, “Alright, I'll go and tell God about you.” So, then he went up to God, no, no, before that. Then he met another type who was sitting on the street, and will be at the street side, and he said, “Oh! I heard you are going to meet God?” He said: yes, he is going to meet God. So he said, “Then communicate one small little thing.” He said, “What?” He said that, “Just tell Him I have had no food, please send me my food now, I'm hungry.” He said “What?” “Yes, you just tell Him that much.” So he went up. He saw God. So God asked, “Did you meet some people on your way?” He said, “Yes, I met a horrible one who is all time saying ‘Why not? Why this?” And “Why?”, “Should I do it and should I not?’ And this and that, is going on. So, will You go and meet him? He's asking.” He (God) said, “No, better tell him to do it little more, you see... still he has to do. He requires more effort. He won't be satisfied. Till he gives up his efforts, let him go on.” I mean he would have become mad like that. But now God says, “Alright, let him go ahead! What to do? If you tell them, they don't want to listen, so let them go ahead.” Then he said, “Then I met another mad fellow, who was on the street, he said that ‘ I'm hungry, ask God to send some food for me. Please ask. Tell God that I’m hungry.’ ” He (God) said, “Really?” He called all His managers He said, “Please send his food. Have you not yet arranged his food and all that? Please arrange it.” He was quite surprised. He said, “What is this? This man is just telling ‘I'm hungry’, and God is so much worried about this fellow and not worried about the fellow who is standing on his head and asking such a lot of questions to God.” So God knows everything, so He told him, “Now, alright you are going down, you just tell them one story to both of them, and see their reactions, and then you will know.” So He told him a story. “You tell them that, ‘I went to God and saw there, God passing a camel through the eye of a needle.’ ” and he said, “Really?” He said, “Yes, you go and tell them.” So he came down. This fellow was still on his head. He came back, “What did God say?” He said you have to go on still for some time.” He said, “Oh! Really? Well all glory to God!” He said, “Yes, he said so.” He said, “Really?" Then, “Did you see something special there?” He said, “Yes, I saw that He passed a camel through the eye of a needle!” He said, “No, no, don't tell me stories! How can it? Such a big camel! How can it pass through the eye? After all it's impossible! It is impossible! This is impossible! You are just now trying to befool me. Because you have been to God you think you can befool me. No, no, I cannot take it, no, I cannot take it!” So he went to another fellow, he was nicely eating his food. He said, “Yes! I knew, you see, I just told you because you asked me if you have to tell you anything, I knew God will send my food and everything. I'm quite alright.” He said, “Did you see anything wondrous there?” He said, “I saw the wonder of wonders, miracles of miracles, that God passed a camel through the eye of a needle!” He said, “What is so miraculous? He is God! He's God Almighty! What? He can pass even Universes after Universes through that hole! What is it for God? He is God Almighty don't you understand God Almighty? Because you have met Him, you think He’s nothing! Because you did it so easily, you think He’s nothing! Because He behaves like [that] you think He’s nothing! He’s God Almighty! So what? to Him, what is it?” Then he realised. This is Faith. That is what is enlightened within you with puja. Not your rationality which is brought down actually quite a lot. So with this idea, tomorrow, we'll have the puja, alright? May God Bless You. Sahaja Yogi: Jane just started labour, for the baby. Shri Mataji: Has started? Good, good, good. It will work out. In Jane’s case she never wanted a baby - big problem, you see. Funny ideas about children are developing in this horrible country, which is so shocking, so shocking. I mean the mother is the one who should have feelings. Every day you read such horrible stories about these mother’s. Can't imagine! They can be so cruel? The more I read about these things, one can't understand. How can they be cruel? I mean if you hear a little thorn has gone into the feet of a child your heart starts melting, you know. Innocence, is attack on innocence. The whole country is after innocence. Is old men running after young girls, all this is attack on innocence. I mean, extremely satanic, very satanic forces are let loose. They are attacking all the children of the world and everything. Yogini: Would You like some tea, Mother? Would you like some tea? Shri Mataji: No, but I think we'll have food. Better to have food. I've got some food for you. Heat it up and I hope you'll like it. Now. Got something for her. Can you imagine where people are killing their wives, their husbands? Yesterday, today, My husband was telling Me there was a case where a wife was killed and was put in the fridge, deep freeze. Can you imagine? And then Peter (Pierce) told another story that a lady delivered her child in the loo and left the child [to] die there. I mean, this kind of people can you imagine? They have only sex-love and a sort of dirty feelings for others, they have never good, pure feelings for anyone else. What should you say to such people? I just can't understand. Very destructive. Satanic. You see but there must be something satanic in people to accept such satanic things. I mean I cannot think of one case in India - one case - where a mother could kill the child. One case I cannot think. Even if it's a illegitimate child she would not like to kill but others may like to finish it off. That's different, but she would not. I mean just can't think of such a thing. Unbelievable! Unbelievable. They are so egoistical, so foolish. Donkeys they could be only. At the most donkeys are like that, I think, that's why Christ rode on the donkeys. Donkeys, are they egoistical? I don't think so, they are not. Moreover they are not also full of hatred, donkeys are not full of hatred. They are stupid people. You see, somebody must bully them then they are alright. The bullying starts like this: a French bullies English, I have seen it, puts them down. French think they are higher than the [English]. See the gradation is in the opposite direction. They think that the English are lower; I think definitely English are better than French as far as evolution is concerned, but the French have put them down. Yesterday I met - there was one Bangladeshi who was going back to Bangladesh. He says, “Many have gone from here. People don't know how many have gone; if they write it down they'll be amazed, because they are fed up." And funny, funny things, you see he told Me, he lived with four types of neighbours and he got so fed up with them. First neighbour he lived with, you see, he said that, "He had a daughter and I had a daughter of the same age, 14 years of age. And he [the Englishman] said ‘Why shouldn't we exchange our daughters, you see, for lovemaking?’ “ He got so angry and he ran away. Shri Mataji laughing: How can he? This was the first thing. Then the second one was, he said that, You see, his daughter was - little nausea she had or something. She's just 14 or something. So she went to the doctor and doctor said, "Did you - have you start giving her [contraceptive] pills and things, you see?" This upset him absolutely then. Like that he gave Me four horrible instances, the two others I cannot tell you to what extent it is. He said, "I'm not going to live in this country." I mean, they are just like stud-bulls going round, I tell you - horrible. And the women I don't know what to call them! What is the parallel? (laughing) Hawkers? Or what? The Hawks? What do you call the other side? Yogini: Hookers. Shri Mataji: Hooker? Hookers. Yogini: They get paid for it. Shri Mataji: Ha? Yogini: They get paid for it. Shri Mataji: They get paid for. Yes they get paid for. Shri Mataji: At least they can have a date and have some nice food somewhere in the Chinese. (laughing). Selling their chastity for cheap things. Different community altogether. It's a very nice picture, eh? There's only a Radha and Krishna both together in One Being. You have got of My eyes in many of My photographs. Some of these are.What is this one about? Really terrible. Ramadan, you see. Yesterday I must tell you, where is he? (Djamel) Yesterday Ramadan. Yesterday these Muslims came in, you see, they were waiting for 8 [O’clock], something time, you see? And then they started drinking like hell, I mean they drank so much of (laughter). By the way why did they do it? In the daytime what happened? What is the story? Djamel Metouri: Why do they do it? What do they do during the daytime? Shri Mataji: No-no-no-no no, no, why - what is the story, why did they fast? Djamel: Well it’s for the Koran, the Prophet Mohammed decided that every year there should be a time when all the people should fast to keep all their ? at bay. Akbar: To keep all the attentions at bay. Shri Mataji: They should fast - what...? Yogi: They should fast for one month because they have for at least one month in a year to keep away, You know, temptation from drinking and... Because at the time they were very licentious, You know they used to - Shri Mataji: Dining and wining! Djamel: Well they do still, but at the time they were much more. Shri Mataji: They used to drink like anything. So He said, "You better fast for one month, because He thought if you put one month, at least for one day they will do it. (Laughter) You see this is how, you have to put an extreme case, you see? But people say that, "Why they put an extreme case?" Because, you see if you put an extreme case then at least symbolically you'll do for one day or half a day. That was the reason, you see, because they never believed in fasting. They used to eat, gluttonous people, you see, horrible! They were living in tribes and very much eating, all the time attention was on eating. Djamel: It was not just that, You see all men should not eat salt anywhere, You know I mean - Shri Mataji: That all will start there. Djamel: And you mustn’t listen to anything harsh from people Shri Mataji: This was only for His disciples. Djamel: He was trying too, Mother, and to look at - Shri Mataji: -women - adulterous eyes. That they all do! You see, at least He must have thought that, "Give one month a trial, the whole year you can't do. So, one month give a trial like that," you see so He said, "Alright, try for one month." (laughing) But they can do fasting, is alright, and then when did he say that, eat in the morning and eat in the evening? Djamel: Yes, it’s said that you must fast from dark to - Other yogi: Dawn to Dusk. Djamel: Moonrise, I mean. Shri Mataji: But they eat with vengeance at both the times! Djamel: But they do in the night, they eat... Shri Mataji: ...with vengeance, you see, so everything is put upside down., Why He said it because, you see, all these systems were for his disciples. They would do Namaz for five times, He thought that He might be able to achieve the Realization part of it, you see. So He said, "All right, for one month, let's have a course like that." See they went on a course, sort of thing, "Let's work it out." And that thing has become a pattern now that they fast. It's all nonsense, it's madness. Djamel: Mother I think it must be very good, if someone is going to meditate, You know, but for one whole month it’s a lot. Shri Mataji: See, if they are paying attention to their food only, waiting for the time to come to drink it’s nonsense! Djamel: That's what they do. Djamel: But people go extreme You see even when they're weak person. A person should be able to stand it. But they still do it. And they end up in hospitals and when they die they're considered as martyrs. Shri Mataji: What do they say? Djamel: You know it's supposed to be very good to die in Ramadan. (laughter) Shri Mataji: Imagine. Djamel: And if there is a war you must be right in front line. Shri Mataji: Yes, like in the war you are dying. That's a war in a way, because you war against your weaknesses, war against your habits and things, it's true, no doubt! But that is a regular stuff, which one has to do, but that's not done, it's something very different, you know. Djamel: Crazy people live today, You know. Ray Harris: But You know, Mother, Jewish Rabbis decide that it's blasphemy today that you are trying to achieve union with God. Shri Mataji: Who says blasphemy? Ray Harris: Jewish, a Jewish rabbi, Mother. Shri Mataji: Is it? Ray Harris: And it said in the paper that we should only do His commandments, to become part of God is blasphemy. Shri Mataji: Aah, this is... Ray Harris: That's what he said, Mother. So we never aspire to achieve part of God that.. Shri Mataji: Because then his salary will go away. Ray Harris: Because it's a silly eastern religion. Shri Mataji: Actually this is what happened with somebody who had come there, he says that, "I don't believe in Shankara." He's a South Indian he said, "I don't believe in Shankara, because he believes in Advaita," - that is "Becoming one," you see. Advaita - ‘Dvaita’ is two, ‘Adwaita’ means "not two". "I don't believe in Shankara’s Advaita, I believe in dvaita, I want to remain myself, I do not want to get united with God, I want to remain myself. Why should -" I said "Which part of you that doesn't want to become with God?”, He said "Not my ego," I said, "How are you sure?" You see, this is the trick of the trade is. That's how they are going to continue. That’s why they don't want to be one with God. Because if they have to be one with God, then these in-between religions will disappear, isn’t it. (laughter) The agency will be losing its powers! End of tape Reading of Devi Mahatmyam before Shri Mataji's talk on The meaning of Puja. Brighton, UK - July 19, 1980 Shri Mataji:...You have to conquer this war, how? Because this is our war. Loudly. Very loud. A Yogi reads from Chapter 3 & 4 of Devi Mahatmyam: 1-2. "Then Ciksura, the great asura general, seeing that army being slain (by the Devi), advanced in anger to fight with Ambika. That asura rained showers of arrows on the Devi in the battle, even as a cloud (showers) rains on the summit of Mount Meru. Then the Devi, easily cutting asunder the masses of his arrows, killed his horses and their controller with Her arrows. Forthwith She split his bow and lofty banner, and with Her arrows pierced the body of that (asura) whose bow had been cut. His bow shattered, his chariot broken, his horses killed and his charioteer slain, the asura armed with sword and shield rushed at the Devi. Swiftly he smote the lion on the head with his sharp-edged sword and struck the Devi also on Her left arm. Shri Mataji tells some people where to sit. O king, his sword broke into pieces as it touched Her arm. Thereon his eyes turning red with anger, he grasped his pike. Then the great asura flung at Bhadrakali the pike, blazing with lustre, as if he was hurling the very sun from the skies. Seeing that pike coming upon Her, the Devi hurled Her pike, which shattered his pike into a hundred fragments and shattered the great asura himself. Mahisasura"s very valiant general having been killed, Camara, the afflictor of Devas, mounted on an elephant, advanced. He also hurled his spear at the Devi. Ambika quickly assailed it with a whoop, made it lustreless and fall to the ground. Seeing his spear broken and fallen, Camara, full of rage, flung a pike, and She split that also with Her arrows. Then the lion, leaping up and seating itself at the centre of the elephant"s forehead, engaged itself in a hand to hand fight with that foe of the Devas. Fighting, the two then came down to the earth from the back of the elephant, and fought very impetuously, dealing the most terrible blows at each other. Then the lion, springing up quickly to the sky, and descending, severed Camara"s head with a blow from its paw. And Udagra was killed in the battle by the Devi with stones, trees and the like, and Karala also was stricken down by Her teeth and fists and slaps. Shri Mataji: ...Devas, you see? Even they are useless sometimes. Enraged, the Devi ground Uddhata to powder with the blows of Her club, and killed Baskala with a dart and destroyed Tamara and Andhaka with arrows. The three-eyed Supreme Isvaari killed Ugrassya and Ugravirya - Shri Mataji corrects: Ishvari said with stress on the "Ish", Ugrasya said with stress on the "ya." Yogi continues: "...and Mahahanu also with Her trident. With Her sword She struck down Bidaala"s head from his body, Shri Mataji corrects: Bidala stress on "Bi." Yogi continues: "...and dispatched both Durdhara and Durmukha to the abode of Death with Her arrows. As his army was thus being destroyed, Mahisasura terrified the troops of the Devi with his own buffalo form. Some (he laid low) by a blow of his muzzle, some by stamping with his hooves, some by the lashes of his tail, and others by the pokes of his horns. Some he laid low on the face of the earth by his impetuous speed, some by his bellowing and wheeling movement, and others by the blast of his breath. Having laid low Her army, Mahisasura rushed to slay the lion of the Mahadevi. This enraged Ambika. Yogi realizes he has been leaving out the middle "s" in "Mahisasura" but struggles to get it right, Shri Mataji helps the yogi to say "Mahishasura." Mahisasura, great in valour, pounded the surface of the earth with his hooves in rage, tossed up the high mountains with his horns, and bellowed terribly. Crushed by the velocity of his wheeling, the earth disintegrated, and lashed by his tail, the sea overflowed all around. Pierced by his swaying horns, the clouds went into fragments. Cast up by the blast of his breath, mountains fell down from the sky in hundreds. Seeing the great asura swollen with rage and advancing towards Her, Chandika displayed Her wrath in order to slay him. She flung Her noose over him and bound the great asura. Thus bound in the great battle, he quitted his buffalo form. Then he became a lion suddenly. While Ambika cut off the head (of his lion form), he took the appearance of a man with sword in hand. Immediately then the Devi with Her arrows chopped off the man together with his sword and shield. Then he became a big elephant. (The elephant) tugged at Her great lion with his trunk and roared loudly, but as he was dragging, the Devi cut off his trunk with Her sword. The great asura then resumed his buffalo shape and shook the three worlds with their movable and immovable objects. Enraged thereat, Chandika, the Mother of the worlds, quaffed a divine drink again and again, and laughed, Her eyes becoming red. 35, And the asura, also roared intoxicated with his strength and valour, and hurled mountains against Chandika with his horns. And She with showers of arrows pulverized (those mountains) hurled at Her, and spoke to him in flurried words, the colour of Her face accentuated with the intoxication of the divine drink. The Devi said: 37-38. "Roar, roar, O fool, for a moment while I drink this wine. When you are slain by me, the Devas will soon roar in this very place." Shri Mataji: The wine doesn't mean fermented wine... today. Ha. Yogi continues: "The Rishi said: 39-40. Having exclaimed thus, She jumped and landed herself on that great asura, pressed him on the neck with Her foot and struck him with Her spear. And thereupon, caught up under Her foot. Mahisasura half issued forth (in his real form) from his own (buffalo) mouth, being completely overcome by the valour of the Devi. Fighting thus with his half-revealed form, the great asura was laid by the Devi who struck off his head with Her great sword. Then, crying in consternation, the whole asura army perished; and all the hosts of Devas were in great exultation. With the great sages of heaven, the Devas praised the Devi. The Gandharva chiefs sang and the bevies of apsaras danced. Here ends the third chapter called "The Slaying of Mahisasura" Shri Mataji: Read that little bit, when he's been slain verses. He's again born, you know that, everyone. Yogi repeats the requested verses: "The Devi said: 37-38. "Roar, roar, O fool, for a moment while I drink this wine. When you are slain by me, the Devas will soon roar in this very place." The Rishi said: 39-40. Having exclaimed thus, She jumped and landed herself on that great asura, pressed him on the neck with Her foot and struck him with Her spear. And thereupon, caught up under Her foot. Mahisasura half issued forth (in his real form) from his own (buffalo) mouth, being completely overcome by the valour of the Devi. Fighting thus with his half-revealed form, the great asura was laid by the Devi who struck off his head with Her great sword. Then, crying in consternation, the whole asura army perished; and all the hosts of Devas were in great exultation. With the great sages of heaven, the Devas praised the Devi. The Gandharva chiefs sang and the bevies of apsaras danced. Shri Mataji: Now the second part is the Devas praise then the Devi. That's a very good one. Read it also, Marcus. "The Rishi said: 1-2. When that most valiant but evil-natured Mahisasura - Shri Mataji: Rishi's the, what you call, Rishi's the one who is relating the story. Yogi continues: "When that most valiant but evil-natured Mahisasura and the army of that foe of the Devas were destroyed by the Devi, Indra and the hosts of Devas uttered words of praise, their necks and shoulders reverently bent, and their bodies rendered beautiful with horripilation and exultation. "To that Ambika who is worthy of worship by all Devas A child cries and Shri Mataji asks: Can you take the child out a little for a while? At the back, you see? You can sit beyond Linda, would be good idea. Alright? When the thing will be over then you can bring the baby in. Ha. Hm. Yogi continues: "To that Ambika who is worthy of worship by all Devas and sages and pervades this world by Her power and who is the embodiment of the entire powers of all the hosts of Devas, we bow in devotion. May She grant us auspicious things! Shri Mataji: Did you hear that? "Embodiment of all the powers." Yogi continues: "May Chandika, whose incomparable greatness and power Bhagavan Vishnu, Brahma and Hara are unable to describe, - Shri Mataji: Hara is Shiva. Yogi continues: "...bestow Her mind on protecting the entire world and on destroying the fear of evil. "O Devi, we bow before You, who are yourself good fortune in the dwellings of the virtuous, and ill-fortune in those of the vicious, intelligence in the hearts of the learned, faith in the hearts of the good, and modesty in the hearts of the high-born. May You protect the universe! Shri Mataji: This is a prayer. Yogi continues: "O Devi, how can we describe Your inconceivable form, or Your abundant surpassing valour that destroys the asuras, or Your wonderful feats displayed in battles among all the hosts of gods, asuras and others? "You are the origin of all the worlds! Though You are possessed of the three gunas You are not known to have any of their attendant defects (like passion)! You are incomprehensible even to Vishnu, Siva and others! You are the resort of all! The entire world is composed of an infinitesimal portion of yourself! You are verily the supreme primordial Prakriti untransformed. "O Devi, You are Svaha at whose utterance the whole assemblage of gods attain satisfaction in all the sacrifices. You are the Svadha which gives satisfaction to the manes. Therefore You are chanted (as Svaha and Svadha in Sacrifices) by people. "O Devi, You are Bhagavati, the supreme Vidya which is the cause of liberation, and great inconceivable penances (are the means for your realization). You (the supreme knowledge) are cultivated by sages who desire liberation, whose senses are well restrained, who are devoted to Reality, and have shed all the blemishes. Shri Mataji: See. That's why very few people stick on to Sahaj Yoga. The description of sages is clear-cut. Again read it? Yogi repeats and continues: "O Devi, You are Bhagavati, the supreme Vidya which is the cause of liberation, and great inconceivable penances (are the means for your realization). You (the supreme knowledge) are cultivated by sages who desire liberation, whose senses are well-restrained, -" Shri Mataji: "Senses are well restrained." Yogi: "...who are devoted to Reality," Shri Mataji: "Who are devoted to Reality." Yogi: "...and have shed all the blemishes. "You are the soul of Sabda-Brahman. You are the repository of the very pure Ri..." Yogi gets tongue tied on the words "Rig-veda". Shri Mataji asks: You are what? Yogi unsure: Rishis? Shri Mataji: Rishis are the people who are saints or sages. Yogi: "You are the repository of the very pure Rishis. sic Shri Mataji: All the sages, you see they are repositories. Is all the sages. Yogi continues: "...and Yajus hymns, and of Samans, the recital of whose words is beautiful Shri Mataji: These are Vedas. Yogi continues: "...with the Udgitha! You are Bhagavati embodying the three Vedas. And You are the sustenance whereby life is maintained. You are the supreme destroyer of the pain of all the worlds. "O Devi, You are the Intellect, by which the essence of all the scriptures is comprehended. You are Durga, the boat that takes men across the difficult ocean of worldly existence, devoid of attachments. You are Shri Laksmi who has invariably taken Her abode in the heart of Vishnu. You are indeed Gauri who has established herself with Siva. "Gently smiling, pure, resembling the full moon’s orb, beautiful like the splendour of excellent gold was Your face! Yet it was very strange that, being swayed by anger, Mahisasura suddenly struck Your face when he saw it. "Far stranger is it that after seeing Your wrathful face, O Devi, terrible with its frowns and red in hue like the rising moon, that Mahisasura did not forthwith give up his life! For, who can live after beholding the enraged Destroyer? "O Devi, be propitious. You are Supreme. If enraged, You forthwith destroy the (asura) families for the welfare (of the world). This was known the very moment the extensive forces of Mahisasura were brought to their end. "You who are always bounteous, those (fortunate ones) with whom You are well pleased, are indeed the object of esteem in the country, theirs are riches, theirs are glories, and their acts of righteousness perish not; they are indeed blessed and possessed of devoted children, servants and wives. "By Your grace, O Devi, the blessed individual does daily all righteous deeds with utmost care and thereby attains to heaven. Are You not, therefore O Devi, the bestower of reward in all the three worlds? "When called to mind in a difficult pass, You remove fear for every person. When called to mind by those in happiness, You bestow a mind still further pious. Which goddess but You, O Dispeller of poverty, pain and fear, has an ever sympathetic heart for helping everyone? "The world attains happiness by the killing of these (foes) and though these (asuras) have committed sins enough to keep them long in hell, let them reach heaven by meeting death eventually at the battle (with me)- thinking thus, that You, O Devi, certainly destroy our enemies. "Don’t" You reduce to ashes all asuras by mere sight? But You direct Your weapons against them so that even the inimical ones, purified by the missiles, may attain the higher worlds. Such is Your most kindly intention towards them. "If the eyes of the asuras had not been put out by the terrible flashes of the mass of light issuing from Your sword or by the copious lustre of Your spearpoint, it is because they saw also Your face resembling the moon, giving out (cool) rays. "O Devi, Your nature is to subdue the conduct of the wicked; this Your peerless beauty is inconceivable for others; Your power destroys those who have robbed the Devas of their prowess, and You have thus manifested Your compassion even towards the enemies. "What is Your prowess to be compared to? Where can one find this beauty (of Yours) most charming, (yet) striking fear in enemies? Compassion in heart and relentlessness in battle are seen, O Devi, O Bestower of boons, only in You in all the three worlds! "Through the destruction of the enemies all these three worlds have been saved by You. Having killed them in the battle-front, You have led even those hosts of enemies to heaven, and You have dispelled our fear of the frenzied enemies of the Devas. Salutation to You! "O Devi, protect us with Your spear. O Ambika, protect us with Your sword, protect us by the sound of Your bell and by the twang of Your bow-string. "O Candika, guard us in the east, in the west, in the north and in the south by the brandishing of Your spear. O Iswari! "Protect us and the earth with those lovely forms of Yours moving about in the three worlds, as also with Your exceedingly terrible forms. "O Ambika, protect us on every side with Your sword, spear and club and whatever other weapons Your sprite-like (soft) hand has touched."
7/20/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=7071	The Force That Lies Within	England	Brighton	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	59	"The Force That Lies Within," Public Program, Brighton, UK Only you can feel your Spirit.This energy has been placed in the triangular bone at the base of the spinal cord, has been there for ages, for many lives, has been following us. She is our Mother and She’s born with us every life, every time, waiting for an opportunity where somebody who is authorised to awaken Her. She takes birth with us again and again on this Earth. She is the reflection of the desire of God, His desire that we should know Him, that we should become one with Him, that we should enter into the Kingdom of God, so that we become the citizen of His kingdom and enjoy, enjoy the bountiful bliss of our Father. He is a father who is compassion and love and He wants to give you this love - His love, His power of love to you, like any good father would like to give his possessions to His own children. The one who is the essence of fatherhood waits for you in His kingdom to bestow this great power of Divine love through your Spirit. Spirit resides in the heart. Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty. But the hearts which are filled with hatred, which are filled with evil, which are filled with domination of others and torture of others, cannot reflect the Divine. Only like a flicker, I give the analogy of a gas light: As in the gas light there’s a little flicker, in the same way in the heart flickers the Spirit. When this residual energy - like the gas which is not enlightened - rises up to this point, it catches that fire, that enlightenment, and your attention becomes enlightened. The attention gets enlightened. This attention which is, so far, a darkness.The human attention is just like a pool of darkness. There’s no light in it. It starts flowing into any direction it wants to. It is all a lost case - that’s what people think. They don’t know where to go, what to do. Some people think that, “I’ll be very happy if I could have a lot of money and enjoy myself.” They have had! They have had everything, now they are fed up! Their children are running out of their houses. They said, “Let our parents look after the junks, we don’t want it.” The affluent countries, the most affluent now, like Switzerland and Sweden are competing among themselves as to find out how many ways there are to commit suicide! So this idea of getting happiness out of money becomes a secondary one. There are other searches also, [that] human beings have, but ultimately you come to the point where you do not know why you are unhappy. You have everything still you are very unhappy. Because whatever you are seeking life is not money, is not power. Your human dignity is so much higher than all these things that you do not find any equation between them. You feel so disgusted with yourself that - why do you have to live it all this nonsense? This is not the stuff you are meant for. Your dignity doesn’t permit you to be happy under the circumstances which are normally accepted by people. The seeking becomes subtler and subtler. People start going deeper and deeper into their own being. And trying to find out a solution of this kind of a blind feeling from within that, “It’s all darkness, it’s all darkness.” We have to find out. We do not know sometimes, really, what are we do expect. We do not know where are we going to get that peace which is promised. We read scriptures and we read many books where it is promised that you will get [it] - “If you knock the door, the door will be opened,” and you go on knocking on your head and nothing comes out of it! But in every endeavour human beings go to extremes. If they are fond of football, they’ll die on the football field. If they are fond of anything they become really crazy. There’s no balance in life. I wish the desire to know yourself, the desire to become that All-Pervading Power of God was as keen as [our desires that] we have for other things. It will take us really to the essence of joy: that is the Spirit. Spirit is the Light which gives us knowledge about of ourselves. When this Light comes into our attention…[in] medical terminology we can say what is our attention, is nothing but central nervous system. Whatever we know with our central nervous central system is our attention. Supposing somebody is standing behind us - you do not know because we cannot see it. Now I may not see someone but if somebody’s putting something hot on my feet [or] on my back, I can feel it. Because I can feel it through my central nervous system. Whatever I can see, whatever I can hear, whatever I can smell, whatever I can actually feel is in my central nervous system - that is my attention. But the Spirit is not. Many people say, “Oh we have a way of finding God, yes, we know the way.” Now, how do you know? Why deceive yourself for nothing at all? I mean, in normal life we never do like that. Nobody says “Alright I have got £10,000 with me and now I’m going to spend my money!” Of course you are a cheat then [it’s] different. But normally in an astute, simple man doesn’t do that way. So why say that there is a way of finding out God? If there was, then the person would have found it. The way is there, the method is there, but that cannot be handled by you. As I told you yesterday that we did not become human beings from chimpanzee by doing anything. Supposing we had cut our tails, for example, or shaved our body - do you think we would have become human beings? We had to become, spontaneously. That is sahaja. Spontaneously. Everything has happened to us spontaneously and even [when] the attention has to receive the light of the Spirit it is going to be spontaneous. Whatever you have achieved on your central nervous system has been granted to you spontaneously. For example, these eyes with which you see, what have you done to see anything? Just they are there. We take it for granted. In the same way, if your evolution has to take place, it will take place spontaneously because the Creator Who has created you has to find you your meaning. For example, if I create an instrument and I do not use it what’s the use of creating it? I have to put it to the mains to see that I use it. If God has to use you he will have to put you to the mains. That is His job! And that, He is going to do. Is a spontaneous happening. Or else He can do it to a person who has been authorised. So far your evolution took place - perhaps you do not know - maybe by somebody who was authorised and you were not aware of it. But now at human level you will know it, the evolution. And when you will get that Spirit flowing into your awareness, radiating and acting, then you will be amazed that you, yourself will be able to do the same. You will be able to do it. Like, one light can enlighten another light and another light can enlighten another light. The light is all ready made here, only thing is [that] some enlightened light has to come nearer. It’s a very simple thing. It’s the simplest thing. Actually to talk about it is like talking about all the history of electricity instead of telling you that, “Put on the switch.” It’s that simple. It’s all done. It’s built-in. It’s all within you. I do not have to create all these things neither you have to bother about it. But sometimes the connections are lose. Sometimes the chakras are spoilt. But all this exists within you, only thing is that the Kundalini is to be invited to be awakened. And She knows everything. She is your Mother. She knows everything about you. She knows what have you been doing, how you have been unkind to Her. Sometimes I have seen people having Kundalini with such big holes. And some of the Kundalinis I have seen [with] bleeding-like colour, in bleeding colour. Sometimes the Kundalinis are just like a wounded serpent, go on tossing their heads. Sometimes they are so beautiful - just like a radiant beam they just shoot off. Now we have sometimes spoilt our Kundalini - doesn’t matter. I have learned all the tricks of repairs, so far. And all the kinds of troubles that people have gone through - I have try to master it. First I was an expert in Indian style of temperaments. Then I met so many people who were Westernised, in India. Then I went to America, there also I discovered lots of different styles of people. And then now I am in your country by chance, and will be here for some time I believe - of course I travel a lot - and I have found that English youth is perhaps the best in the whole world. I’m sorry to say, but it is so. English youth are the best. I told somebody, some Indian gentleman about it. He said, “Where to find the best disciples?” I said, “In England.” He was amazed! I said, “They are little hard nuts to crack, no doubt. But once cracked they sort it out.” First, their scholarship, second their assiduity and I think the third and the most important thing - their astuteness, their honesty it. Because this is absolutely an honest affair. You cannot be dishonest about it. Even better than many Indian youths I would say. Not the Indians villagers who are perhaps the best because they are too simple. But many Indian youths who are Westernised and now trying to become sophisticated. So they are thoroughly useless, you see, they are getting into a plastic affluence. Under these circumstances it’s most surprising how I find myself here in England and this great work which is actually prophesied long time back, is taking roots in this country. But it’s a living work. It is easy to create thousands of plastic flowers but to create a real, one flower it takes time. It requires lot of concentration and labour. So the thing maybe moving rather slowly but it is taking it’s shape. Lots of people all over the country are getting their realisation. But you neutralise your understanding the Divine. One should know that I’m talking here not as a salesman here. Nothing is selling you, certain things must be understood that is not selling. We are used to do shopping on the time. We cannot understand a person who can do something without charging for it. But it is an insult even to think that you can pay for somebody’s love. We are so much used to this kind of a conditioning that we do not take things seriously for which we do not pay. I mean, it’s a mad thing! You do not pay for the fresh air you have. You do not pay for the rain you get. You do not pay for the sunshine you have. You do not pay for the breathing you do. You do not pay for your own body. To whom did you pay it for that? All that is important you cannot pay for. The second thing one must know [is] that you cannot read about it. By reading you cannot get it. It’s a thing that must [be] actualised, that must happen. It’s like Guru Nanaka has said that, “Go and find within yourself.” It is to be found within yourself. Now these Sikh people are sitting and singing this. For two and a half days they are have a continuous process of singing the Guru Granth Sahib. And they sing that, “Let us find it within ourselves, it is within ourselves.” Now what’s the use of singing? Are you going to find it? It would be like saying that, if you have a headache, you go on singing about the prescription you have got. When are you going to take the medicine? Is the point. So that second conditioning is that, “I have read in this book like that.” Yesterday there was a gentleman [like that]. Of course, he was from some organisation [and] just came to disrupt. Because you see there are so many organisations run, in this country, to make money in the name of God, in the name of realisation, in the name of Spirituality and all sorts of things. So, naturally, they feel they are challenged beside they’re talking about Shri Krishna. Of course he was a very half-witted fellow! He did not know much about it. Still I talked to him. But now whatever Shri Krishna has written - I say that this is completed in Sahaja Yoga no doubt. All of them what Christ was said or what Mohammed has said - everything is explained in Sahaja Yoga. Everything you will find completely manifested in Sahaja Yoga. You will be amazed - even you will find out where is Christ within us, in what centre He exists. [Also] where is Mohammed sahib, where is Nanaka, you will know their positions and you will know how to use them for this purpose. But to bring in the controversy people can say “Alright, Christ said such and such thing.” Alright, He did say, no doubt. And I can tell you about that. But just to create a controversy why should you bring in people? All of them will be explained through Sahaja Yoga, you will be amazed. They are all with us. Not against us in any way and absolutely cooperating and working it out. There’s no difference between them and us. We are on one side. We are all flowers of the same tree. Only the people who separate us are the people who’ll take them away from the Tree of Life and fight. But the controversy, why one starts, is this way that, when Rama came people said, “We don’t believe in you, we believe in Parashurama!” Because Parashurama was dead by then! Very good idea! Never face the reality when it comes to! Then came Shri Krishna six thousand years back, so when Shri Krishna started talking about Reality they said, “You don’t tell us, we only believe in Rama!” When Rama lived they put him out for fourteen years in the forest - very nicely! They never believed in Him, they only believe in Parashurama. Now, when Shri Krishna came they said, “You see, we believed only in Shri Rama and not in you”. Shri Rama was our thing. So Krishna did not tell anything about reality only told one disciple, that’s Arjuna: that too [who] was not realised. Then came Christ. They said “No, we don’t believe in you and we believe in Moses. Our Messiah has to still come. You are not Christ.” Crucify Him nicely on this point! Then came Mohammed: They said “No, we don’t believe. We believe in Christ.” “We believe in this, we believe in that.” But the one who is really there people don’t want to believe. You know the tragedy. It’s a shameful thing. I think Christ’s life has proved beyond doubts that human beings are really stupid people. That’s why He must have rode the donkeys. Extremely stupid people! Such a Great Incarnation they crucified! Then Mohammed came: Mohammed was given poison, He was tortured. Then Nanaka came: [they] tortured him! Anybody who is real must go through the tortures of people. Everyone who is false and fake is extremely attractive. What’s the matter with the human brains, I cannot understand. I went to one place recently, Norwich: Two ladies had come. They told me that, “We went to one guru. He gave us a mantra.” I said, “And then you heard [the news] about him?” “Yes, now we have heard that he’s a drunkard and he has got five [or] six keeps.” “Still we will not tell you his mantra, we still have faith in him.” I said, “Really? Now when will you lose faith in him?” I believe thousands of people went to see him when he was in Norwich. I said, “What was his credibility?” “Why didn’t you find out from where did he come? What was his name? What was he doing?” He was in South Africa, living in a tin-shell. From there he comes here and befools all the people and thousands of them are behind him! What is his credibility? Who was his father and who was his mother? And what good work he has done? And when he has taken away all their money still they want to believe him. Why? They are frightened. They don’t want to tell the mantra. When he does not know a word of Sanskrit! Two of his disciples came and told me the mantra [that] was given! You will be amazed! The mantra given was ‘tinga’ - like this! (Mother shows Her thumb). What we call this one (thumb). You see [in India, when] we show this one (thumb) to someone - that’s called as ‘tinga’ (in Hindi) ! It’s not a Sanskrit word, it’s a hindi word. There [should be] some limit to our naiveness! If you are really, the worshippers of the Truth and Reality, we must face it. And you don’t know Reality’ beauty. In reality you are beauty inside I see that Light in you, I see that Spirit. You do not see it, that’s why you are frightened. There’s nothing to be frightened of yourself. You are the most beautiful thing within. The outside is frightening. That’s why people cannot sit alone. For them is a jail if they have to sit alone. But after realisation you don’t know when you are alone [and] when you are with others. You enjoy yourself because it’s most enjoyable. You are the most enjoyable thing the God Almighty has created. But you have made a mess out of yourself. Why? Because you listen to others. You are no more there. You depend on others to give comments on you and judge you. You do not have any judgement of your own. You have no self-esteem about yourself. Once you have Self-realisation you recognise and you find that you are that lustrous thing which is much more precious than thousands of these useless diamonds put together. And then you value yourself. The whole system changes, the whole valuing system changes. You give up your ego, you give up your superego and you become your Self, which is the Spirit, which is the Light which shines - the Divine love of God. When this Kundalini rises, She passes through various centres. You see they are six in number on top and one is down below. The lower one is guarding the Kundalini and her protocol because She is your Mother. That’s your innocence in the lowest one. And above ones are controlling the different parts of your body on physical level, on mental level or emotional level. And when Kundalini rises She enlightens the Spiritual Beings in those centres. When these Spiritual Beings are enlightened, you get more energy. Many things happen when the Kundalini rises. When she crosses this centre: This is the centre of Christ [that] you see there, where the optic chiasma crosses each other. At that point is this centre. It shifts a little because its energy after all it’s not localised. And when this centre is crossed then you become Thoughtlessly Aware - Nirvichar Samadhi. Means your enlightenment in the awareness comes in no doubt but there is no torture. You come between the two thoughts of past and future and you become silent. It is to be. Now one may say that, “Mother, it is sad that people spent thousands of years getting this realisation,” They did, even [just] Nirvichar Samadhi. No doubt. And there may be many saints who’d say, They have said this to me, “Why should you give this to these people? Who are they? We have worked so hard. But on the Tree of Life in the beginning there were few flowers. But the time has come, today, where thousands of flowers are to be converted into fruit. The time has come. The blossom time has come. And that’s why it is working out. You can see for yourself at the time of Christ how any disciples did he have? They were all fishermen. Even today in India if I have to talk to fishermen, I don’t think I can tell them about Sahaj Yog. But we have many Sahaja Yogis who are fishermen in India - you will be amazed. They just got it. Once they got it, they don’t want to know it mentally. “Oh, we have got it. We are just there.” You don’t need any education for it. Even a small child if is a realised-soul knows all everything about. Even in this country I have seen many children are born who are realised-souls. Today only we heard about the birth of another one who is a realised-soul. How do you know a person is realised or not? When the Kundalini crosses this point which is called as the fontanelle bone, in Sanskrit it’s called as talu where we call as the baptism takes place. Actual baptism - not by some theological college fellow coming and giving you baptism. No! Actual [baptism]. You actually see this portion becoming soft. And, at that time, when the Kundalini reaches there and crosses that you feel a cool breeze starts blowing through your hand. The energy starts blowing. The cool pulsation, radiation, of the Spirit starts flowing. You can feel it. You can see this Kundalini pulsating with your naked eyes if there is an obstruction. If there is no obstruction it takes a split of a second: it just shoots off. If there is obstruction you can see the pulsation; actually like a heart this triangular bone goes on, like this. You can see it clearly. If a person has a liver [problem] you can see the Kundalini going and pulsating there and telling that, “Oh he has got liver, I have to supply the liver.” You can see with your naked eyes. You can see the rising of the Kundalini. And with a stethoscope you can feel the movement of the sound. And you can feel it here, the sound, coming up as Kabira has said, “Shunya shikara para anahata baaji de,” that is, “at this summit, zero summit, you start hearing - here there is no sound otherwise, that’s why he calls it ‘zero summit’. “You start hearing the heart, anahat,” is the sound without percussion. You start hearing it here, “Lab, dab, lab, dab,” and then it stops. And the moment it stops you find this cold breeze starts flowing. This is the time you have touched your Self, your Spirit and this is the beginning of Self-realisation. This is the initiation, I should say, especially in Western countries. Because we are people who live with our rationality. Though those who are intelligent must have recognised that rationality is a limited thing and if we are to go to an unlimited real Mother Divine power, we have to go beyond it, it has to be triggered. If you are reached that conclusion then you are really intelligent. But still we try to ramble about, try to verify, “Yes it is coming, yes, true but now let’s see if Mataji has said that all the fingers get enlightened.” As you see all the centres you start feeling. Is actualisation! Again I say because it becomes a subjective knowledge in your body. It starts, you can start feeling all these centres. And in that you start feeling your own centres realising your Self within, you’re being within, and also feeling the centres of others. Because now you are awareness, your attention, is enlightened by which you have become collectively conscious. You have become again I say. Not by giving lectures to you that, “You are brothers and sisters,” No! You have become. You just become. Those who are realised know where is your Kundalini, they know where is your problem, they know how to move the Kundalini, how to manoeuvre it, they know what is their problem is, they know how to correct it and they know what are the blessings of the Divine: is the complete enjoyment of your being. This should happen to everyone, will happen. But [you] must have some patience with yourself. Many people touch realisation and think that, “We have got it now,” and they disappear. It doesn’t work out that way. When you have to learn swimming, you have to learn it well, otherwise you can go down. The same thing is about realisation. Even if you have touched your realisation still it is to be nurtured, it is to be looked after, you have to grow and mature into it. Like a human being, though born and ‘branded’ as a human being and is put in [the] company of foxes, can behave like foxes. In the same way though you are newly born and your second birth has taken place fully, still if you again go into the normal life and do not know how to guard yourself and protect yourself, can again become the same as you have been. And that’s how we have seen some people lose the vibrations. Some people definitely lose the vibrations. So after realisation you have to see for yourself that you establish it and fully master it. You become a complete master. I give an analogy like this: that we have two powers - left side and right side. The left side power is the power of desire, is the power by which our past is created. We can say is the psyche. The right side power is the power of creation, is of action. So the left side power is the power of our emotions and the right side power is the power of our physical being and our mental being. These two powers are like accelerator and a brake. Both these powers we use alternately, simultaneously, slowly, balancing them. We try to learn the driving. When we have learned the driving then we will become an expert driver. But still you are not the master. Still the master is sitting behind. When you have mastered your driving, you become the master, the guru. That’s what should happen to all of you. Of course by this happening, of becoming one with that Divine power, your physical problems get solved, your mental problems get solved and your emotional problems get solved. Apart from that even material problems get solved. The whole attitude towards life becomes that of a witness. You see the whole thing as a drama and the life becomes full of enjoyment. As I said yesterday it’s such a vast subject and the knowledge is so great. When you become knowledge yourself, when you become the Light, when you become the love, then you, yourself will gradually know so many things. Like [with] this room being dark, you don’t understand anything. But as soon as I put on the light, you see everything and find out all about. I must have given at least two hundred speeches in England so far, minimum. Maybe more. I don’t know how many. And there are so many tapes these people have got in English. But still every time I speak they say, “Mother, every time you say something new.” It’s rather surprising. So I would say that you cannot know it through lectures, through talking, argument, you better know it within yourself. Now, yesterday, two gentlemen got up and ask mea questions and they where not knowing what they wanted to ask. As I told you that they were paid by some organisation. And when they found that they could not do any further they went away. So it’s such a waste, you see. We have to be fair to others. If you are not interested in your realisation it’s better to go away. Because there are many people of different calibre. They just come because they were walking on the road, they saw my photograph, they came in - finished! If you are really seeking then you better have it, you better get it because if you do not get it in this life you will be coming again next life for this. This is the ultimate that you must find. You work it out and I am sure it will work it out. Pay a little attention to yourself not to others! When it works out also, we have a centre luckily, in Brighton. And you have just now heard from Pamela. She’s the one who is organising here. We have other people also. We have quite a lot of people who are good Sahaja Yogis and who know a lot about it. Also we have some books for you, to guide. There was one book written by a Swiss scholar who is a French speaking boy but the book was then edited in English, was inaugurated by our high commissioner and also is available not today but will be available if you order about it called as “The Advent”.	null	null	null	"The Force That Lies Within," Public Program, Brighton, UK Only you can feel your Spirit.This energy has been placed in the triangular bone at the base of the spinal cord, has been there for ages, for many lives, has been following us. She is our Mother and She’s born with us every life, every time, waiting for an opportunity where somebody who is authorised to awaken Her. She takes birth with us again and again on this Earth. She is the reflection of the desire of God, His desire that we should know Him, that we should become one with Him, that we should enter into the Kingdom of God, so that we become the citizen of His kingdom and enjoy, enjoy the bountiful bliss of our Father. He is a father who is compassion and love and He wants to give you this love - His love, His power of love to you, like any good father would like to give his possessions to His own children. The one who is the essence of fatherhood waits for you in His kingdom to bestow this great power of Divine love through your Spirit. Spirit resides in the heart. Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty. But the hearts which are filled with hatred, which are filled with evil, which are filled with domination of others and torture of others, cannot reflect the Divine. Only like a flicker, I give the analogy of a gas light: As in the gas light there’s a little flicker, in the same way in the heart flickers the Spirit. When this residual energy - like the gas which is not enlightened - rises up to this point, it catches that fire, that enlightenment, and your attention becomes enlightened. The attention gets enlightened. This attention which is, so far, a darkness.The human attention is just like a pool of darkness. There’s no light in it. It starts flowing into any direction it wants to. It is all a lost case - that’s what people think. They don’t know where to go, what to do. Some people think that, “I’ll be very happy if I could have a lot of money and enjoy myself.” They have had! They have had everything, now they are fed up! Their children are running out of their houses. They said, “Let our parents look after the junks, we don’t want it.” The affluent countries, the most affluent now, like Switzerland and Sweden are competing among themselves as to find out how many ways there are to commit suicide! So this idea of getting happiness out of money becomes a secondary one. There are other searches also, [that] human beings have, but ultimately you come to the point where you do not know why you are unhappy. You have everything still you are very unhappy. Because whatever you are seeking life is not money, is not power. Your human dignity is so much higher than all these things that you do not find any equation between them. You feel so disgusted with yourself that - why do you have to live it all this nonsense? This is not the stuff you are meant for. Your dignity doesn’t permit you to be happy under the circumstances which are normally accepted by people. The seeking becomes subtler and subtler. People start going deeper and deeper into their own being. And trying to find out a solution of this kind of a blind feeling from within that, “It’s all darkness, it’s all darkness.” We have to find out. We do not know sometimes, really, what are we do expect. We do not know where are we going to get that peace which is promised. We read scriptures and we read many books where it is promised that you will get [it] - “If you knock the door, the door will be opened,” and you go on knocking on your head and nothing comes out of it! But in every endeavour human beings go to extremes. If they are fond of football, they’ll die on the football field. If they are fond of anything they become really crazy. There’s no balance in life. I wish the desire to know yourself, the desire to become that All-Pervading Power of God was as keen as [our desires that] we have for other things. It will take us really to the essence of joy: that is the Spirit. Spirit is the Light which gives us knowledge about of ourselves. When this Light comes into our attention…[in] medical terminology we can say what is our attention, is nothing but central nervous system. Whatever we know with our central nervous central system is our attention. Supposing somebody is standing behind us - you do not know because we cannot see it. Now I may not see someone but if somebody’s putting something hot on my feet [or] on my back, I can feel it. Because I can feel it through my central nervous system. Whatever I can see, whatever I can hear, whatever I can smell, whatever I can actually feel is in my central nervous system - that is my attention. But the Spirit is not. Many people say, “Oh we have a way of finding God, yes, we know the way.” Now, how do you know? Why deceive yourself for nothing at all? I mean, in normal life we never do like that. Nobody says “Alright I have got £10,000 with me and now I’m going to spend my money!” Of course you are a cheat then [it’s] different. But normally in an astute, simple man doesn’t do that way. So why say that there is a way of finding out God? If there was, then the person would have found it. The way is there, the method is there, but that cannot be handled by you. As I told you yesterday that we did not become human beings from chimpanzee by doing anything. Supposing we had cut our tails, for example, or shaved our body - do you think we would have become human beings? We had to become, spontaneously. That is sahaja. Spontaneously. Everything has happened to us spontaneously and even [when] the attention has to receive the light of the Spirit it is going to be spontaneous. Whatever you have achieved on your central nervous system has been granted to you spontaneously. For example, these eyes with which you see, what have you done to see anything? Just they are there. We take it for granted. In the same way, if your evolution has to take place, it will take place spontaneously because the Creator Who has created you has to find you your meaning. For example, if I create an instrument and I do not use it what’s the use of creating it? I have to put it to the mains to see that I use it. If God has to use you he will have to put you to the mains. That is His job! And that, He is going to do. Is a spontaneous happening. Or else He can do it to a person who has been authorised. So far your evolution took place - perhaps you do not know - maybe by somebody who was authorised and you were not aware of it. But now at human level you will know it, the evolution. And when you will get that Spirit flowing into your awareness, radiating and acting, then you will be amazed that you, yourself will be able to do the same. You will be able to do it. Like, one light can enlighten another light and another light can enlighten another light. The light is all ready made here, only thing is [that] some enlightened light has to come nearer. It’s a very simple thing. It’s the simplest thing. Actually to talk about it is like talking about all the history of electricity instead of telling you that, “Put on the switch.” It’s that simple. It’s all done. It’s built-in. It’s all within you. I do not have to create all these things neither you have to bother about it. But sometimes the connections are lose. Sometimes the chakras are spoilt. But all this exists within you, only thing is that the Kundalini is to be invited to be awakened. And She knows everything. She is your Mother. She knows everything about you. She knows what have you been doing, how you have been unkind to Her. Sometimes I have seen people having Kundalini with such big holes. And some of the Kundalinis I have seen [with] bleeding-like colour, in bleeding colour. Sometimes the Kundalinis are just like a wounded serpent, go on tossing their heads. Sometimes they are so beautiful - just like a radiant beam they just shoot off. Now we have sometimes spoilt our Kundalini - doesn’t matter. I have learned all the tricks of repairs, so far. And all the kinds of troubles that people have gone through - I have try to master it. First I was an expert in Indian style of temperaments. Then I met so many people who were Westernised, in India. Then I went to America, there also I discovered lots of different styles of people. And then now I am in your country by chance, and will be here for some time I believe - of course I travel a lot - and I have found that English youth is perhaps the best in the whole world. I’m sorry to say, but it is so. English youth are the best. I told somebody, some Indian gentleman about it. He said, “Where to find the best disciples?” I said, “In England.” He was amazed! I said, “They are little hard nuts to crack, no doubt. But once cracked they sort it out.” First, their scholarship, second their assiduity and I think the third and the most important thing - their astuteness, their honesty it. Because this is absolutely an honest affair. You cannot be dishonest about it. Even better than many Indian youths I would say. Not the Indians villagers who are perhaps the best because they are too simple. But many Indian youths who are Westernised and now trying to become sophisticated. So they are thoroughly useless, you see, they are getting into a plastic affluence. Under these circumstances it’s most surprising how I find myself here in England and this great work which is actually prophesied long time back, is taking roots in this country. But it’s a living work. It is easy to create thousands of plastic flowers but to create a real, one flower it takes time. It requires lot of concentration and labour. So the thing maybe moving rather slowly but it is taking it’s shape. Lots of people all over the country are getting their realisation. But you neutralise your understanding the Divine. One should know that I’m talking here not as a salesman here. Nothing is selling you, certain things must be understood that is not selling. We are used to do shopping on the time. We cannot understand a person who can do something without charging for it. But it is an insult even to think that you can pay for somebody’s love. We are so much used to this kind of a conditioning that we do not take things seriously for which we do not pay. I mean, it’s a mad thing! You do not pay for the fresh air you have. You do not pay for the rain you get. You do not pay for the sunshine you have. You do not pay for the breathing you do. You do not pay for your own body. To whom did you pay it for that? All that is important you cannot pay for. The second thing one must know [is] that you cannot read about it. By reading you cannot get it. It’s a thing that must [be] actualised, that must happen. It’s like Guru Nanaka has said that, “Go and find within yourself.” It is to be found within yourself. Now these Sikh people are sitting and singing this. For two and a half days they are have a continuous process of singing the Guru Granth Sahib. And they sing that, “Let us find it within ourselves, it is within ourselves.” Now what’s the use of singing? Are you going to find it? It would be like saying that, if you have a headache, you go on singing about the prescription you have got. When are you going to take the medicine? Is the point. So that second conditioning is that, “I have read in this book like that.” Yesterday there was a gentleman [like that]. Of course, he was from some organisation [and] just came to disrupt. Because you see there are so many organisations run, in this country, to make money in the name of God, in the name of realisation, in the name of Spirituality and all sorts of things. So, naturally, they feel they are challenged beside they’re talking about Shri Krishna. Of course he was a very half-witted fellow! He did not know much about it. Still I talked to him. But now whatever Shri Krishna has written - I say that this is completed in Sahaja Yoga no doubt. All of them what Christ was said or what Mohammed has said - everything is explained in Sahaja Yoga. Everything you will find completely manifested in Sahaja Yoga. You will be amazed - even you will find out where is Christ within us, in what centre He exists. [Also] where is Mohammed sahib, where is Nanaka, you will know their positions and you will know how to use them for this purpose. But to bring in the controversy people can say “Alright, Christ said such and such thing.” Alright, He did say, no doubt. And I can tell you about that. But just to create a controversy why should you bring in people? All of them will be explained through Sahaja Yoga, you will be amazed. They are all with us. Not against us in any way and absolutely cooperating and working it out. There’s no difference between them and us. We are on one side. We are all flowers of the same tree. Only the people who separate us are the people who’ll take them away from the Tree of Life and fight. But the controversy, why one starts, is this way that, when Rama came people said, “We don’t believe in you, we believe in Parashurama!” Because Parashurama was dead by then! Very good idea! Never face the reality when it comes to! Then came Shri Krishna six thousand years back, so when Shri Krishna started talking about Reality they said, “You don’t tell us, we only believe in Rama!” When Rama lived they put him out for fourteen years in the forest - very nicely! They never believed in Him, they only believe in Parashurama. Now, when Shri Krishna came they said, “You see, we believed only in Shri Rama and not in you”. Shri Rama was our thing. So Krishna did not tell anything about reality only told one disciple, that’s Arjuna: that too [who] was not realised. Then came Christ. They said “No, we don’t believe in you and we believe in Moses. Our Messiah has to still come. You are not Christ.” Crucify Him nicely on this point! Then came Mohammed: They said “No, we don’t believe. We believe in Christ.” “We believe in this, we believe in that.” But the one who is really there people don’t want to believe. You know the tragedy. It’s a shameful thing. I think Christ’s life has proved beyond doubts that human beings are really stupid people. That’s why He must have rode the donkeys. Extremely stupid people! Such a Great Incarnation they crucified! Then Mohammed came: Mohammed was given poison, He was tortured. Then Nanaka came: [they] tortured him! Anybody who is real must go through the tortures of people. Everyone who is false and fake is extremely attractive. What’s the matter with the human brains, I cannot understand. I went to one place recently, Norwich: Two ladies had come. They told me that, “We went to one guru. He gave us a mantra.” I said, “And then you heard [the news] about him?” “Yes, now we have heard that he’s a drunkard and he has got five [or] six keeps.” “Still we will not tell you his mantra, we still have faith in him.” I said, “Really? Now when will you lose faith in him?” I believe thousands of people went to see him when he was in Norwich. I said, “What was his credibility?” “Why didn’t you find out from where did he come? What was his name? What was he doing?” He was in South Africa, living in a tin-shell. From there he comes here and befools all the people and thousands of them are behind him! What is his credibility? Who was his father and who was his mother? And what good work he has done? And when he has taken away all their money still they want to believe him. Why? They are frightened. They don’t want to tell the mantra. When he does not know a word of Sanskrit! Two of his disciples came and told me the mantra [that] was given! You will be amazed! The mantra given was ‘tinga’ - like this! (Mother shows Her thumb). What we call this one (thumb). You see [in India, when] we show this one (thumb) to someone - that’s called as ‘tinga’ (in Hindi) ! It’s not a Sanskrit word, it’s a hindi word. There [should be] some limit to our naiveness! If you are really, the worshippers of the Truth and Reality, we must face it. And you don’t know Reality’ beauty. In reality you are beauty inside I see that Light in you, I see that Spirit. You do not see it, that’s why you are frightened. There’s nothing to be frightened of yourself. You are the most beautiful thing within. The outside is frightening. That’s why people cannot sit alone. For them is a jail if they have to sit alone. But after realisation you don’t know when you are alone [and] when you are with others. You enjoy yourself because it’s most enjoyable. You are the most enjoyable thing the God Almighty has created. But you have made a mess out of yourself. Why? Because you listen to others. You are no more there. You depend on others to give comments on you and judge you. You do not have any judgement of your own. You have no self-esteem about yourself. Once you have Self-realisation you recognise and you find that you are that lustrous thing which is much more precious than thousands of these useless diamonds put together. And then you value yourself. The whole system changes, the whole valuing system changes. You give up your ego, you give up your superego and you become your Self, which is the Spirit, which is the Light which shines - the Divine love of God. When this Kundalini rises, She passes through various centres. You see they are six in number on top and one is down below. The lower one is guarding the Kundalini and her protocol because She is your Mother. That’s your innocence in the lowest one. And above ones are controlling the different parts of your body on physical level, on mental level or emotional level. And when Kundalini rises She enlightens the Spiritual Beings in those centres. When these Spiritual Beings are enlightened, you get more energy. Many things happen when the Kundalini rises. When she crosses this centre: This is the centre of Christ [that] you see there, where the optic chiasma crosses each other. At that point is this centre. It shifts a little because its energy after all it’s not localised. And when this centre is crossed then you become Thoughtlessly Aware - Nirvichar Samadhi. Means your enlightenment in the awareness comes in no doubt but there is no torture. You come between the two thoughts of past and future and you become silent. It is to be. Now one may say that, “Mother, it is sad that people spent thousands of years getting this realisation,” They did, even [just] Nirvichar Samadhi. No doubt. And there may be many saints who’d say, They have said this to me, “Why should you give this to these people? Who are they? We have worked so hard. But on the Tree of Life in the beginning there were few flowers. But the time has come, today, where thousands of flowers are to be converted into fruit. The time has come. The blossom time has come. And that’s why it is working out. You can see for yourself at the time of Christ how any disciples did he have? They were all fishermen. Even today in India if I have to talk to fishermen, I don’t think I can tell them about Sahaj Yog. But we have many Sahaja Yogis who are fishermen in India - you will be amazed. They just got it. Once they got it, they don’t want to know it mentally. “Oh, we have got it. We are just there.” You don’t need any education for it. Even a small child if is a realised-soul knows all everything about. Even in this country I have seen many children are born who are realised-souls. Today only we heard about the birth of another one who is a realised-soul. How do you know a person is realised or not? When the Kundalini crosses this point which is called as the fontanelle bone, in Sanskrit it’s called as talu where we call as the baptism takes place. Actual baptism - not by some theological college fellow coming and giving you baptism. No! Actual [baptism]. You actually see this portion becoming soft. And, at that time, when the Kundalini reaches there and crosses that you feel a cool breeze starts blowing through your hand. The energy starts blowing. The cool pulsation, radiation, of the Spirit starts flowing. You can feel it. You can see this Kundalini pulsating with your naked eyes if there is an obstruction. If there is no obstruction it takes a split of a second: it just shoots off. If there is obstruction you can see the pulsation; actually like a heart this triangular bone goes on, like this. You can see it clearly. If a person has a liver [problem] you can see the Kundalini going and pulsating there and telling that, “Oh he has got liver, I have to supply the liver.” You can see with your naked eyes. You can see the rising of the Kundalini. And with a stethoscope you can feel the movement of the sound. And you can feel it here, the sound, coming up as Kabira has said, “Shunya shikara para anahata baaji de,” that is, “at this summit, zero summit, you start hearing - here there is no sound otherwise, that’s why he calls it ‘zero summit’. “You start hearing the heart, anahat,” is the sound without percussion. You start hearing it here, “Lab, dab, lab, dab,” and then it stops. And the moment it stops you find this cold breeze starts flowing. This is the time you have touched your Self, your Spirit and this is the beginning of Self-realisation. This is the initiation, I should say, especially in Western countries. Because we are people who live with our rationality. Though those who are intelligent must have recognised that rationality is a limited thing and if we are to go to an unlimited real Mother Divine power, we have to go beyond it, it has to be triggered. If you are reached that conclusion then you are really intelligent. But still we try to ramble about, try to verify, “Yes it is coming, yes, true but now let’s see if Mataji has said that all the fingers get enlightened.” As you see all the centres you start feeling. Is actualisation! Again I say because it becomes a subjective knowledge in your body. It starts, you can start feeling all these centres. And in that you start feeling your own centres realising your Self within, you’re being within, and also feeling the centres of others. Because now you are awareness, your attention, is enlightened by which you have become collectively conscious. You have become again I say. Not by giving lectures to you that, “You are brothers and sisters,” No! You have become. You just become. Those who are realised know where is your Kundalini, they know where is your problem, they know how to move the Kundalini, how to manoeuvre it, they know what is their problem is, they know how to correct it and they know what are the blessings of the Divine: is the complete enjoyment of your being. This should happen to everyone, will happen. But [you] must have some patience with yourself. Many people touch realisation and think that, “We have got it now,” and they disappear. It doesn’t work out that way. When you have to learn swimming, you have to learn it well, otherwise you can go down. The same thing is about realisation. Even if you have touched your realisation still it is to be nurtured, it is to be looked after, you have to grow and mature into it. Like a human being, though born and ‘branded’ as a human being and is put in [the] company of foxes, can behave like foxes. In the same way though you are newly born and your second birth has taken place fully, still if you again go into the normal life and do not know how to guard yourself and protect yourself, can again become the same as you have been. And that’s how we have seen some people lose the vibrations. Some people definitely lose the vibrations. So after realisation you have to see for yourself that you establish it and fully master it. You become a complete master. I give an analogy like this: that we have two powers - left side and right side. The left side power is the power of desire, is the power by which our past is created. We can say is the psyche. The right side power is the power of creation, is of action. So the left side power is the power of our emotions and the right side power is the power of our physical being and our mental being. These two powers are like accelerator and a brake. Both these powers we use alternately, simultaneously, slowly, balancing them. We try to learn the driving. When we have learned the driving then we will become an expert driver. But still you are not the master. Still the master is sitting behind. When you have mastered your driving, you become the master, the guru. That’s what should happen to all of you. Of course by this happening, of becoming one with that Divine power, your physical problems get solved, your mental problems get solved and your emotional problems get solved. Apart from that even material problems get solved. The whole attitude towards life becomes that of a witness. You see the whole thing as a drama and the life becomes full of enjoyment. As I said yesterday it’s such a vast subject and the knowledge is so great. When you become knowledge yourself, when you become the Light, when you become the love, then you, yourself will gradually know so many things. Like [with] this room being dark, you don’t understand anything. But as soon as I put on the light, you see everything and find out all about. I must have given at least two hundred speeches in England so far, minimum. Maybe more. I don’t know how many. And there are so many tapes these people have got in English. But still every time I speak they say, “Mother, every time you say something new.” It’s rather surprising. So I would say that you cannot know it through lectures, through talking, argument, you better know it within yourself. Now, yesterday, two gentlemen got up and ask mea questions and they where not knowing what they wanted to ask. As I told you that they were paid by some organisation. And when they found that they could not do any further they went away. So it’s such a waste, you see. We have to be fair to others. If you are not interested in your realisation it’s better to go away. Because there are many people of different calibre. They just come because they were walking on the road, they saw my photograph, they came in - finished! If you are really seeking then you better have it, you better get it because if you do not get it in this life you will be coming again next life for this. This is the ultimate that you must find. You work it out and I am sure it will work it out. Pay a little attention to yourself not to others! When it works out also, we have a centre luckily, in Brighton. And you have just now heard from Pamela. She’s the one who is organising here. We have other people also. We have quite a lot of people who are good Sahaja Yogis and who know a lot about it. Also we have some books for you, to guide. There was one book written by a Swiss scholar who is a French speaking boy but the book was then edited in English, was inaugurated by our high commissioner and also is available not today but will be available if you order about it called as “The Advent”.
7/21/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6721	Auspiciousness	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	51	“Auspiciousness”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 21 July 1980. Hello! It’s good! How are you? It’s a good day. Today is an auspicious day because 21st is an auspicious day for us and today is Monday and the 7th month. All things combined together and it's a very auspicious evening. So today I’ll talk to you about auspiciousness because most of you are Sahaj Yogis. Who has come for the first time? One, two, three, four, five…So we have for the first time! All right. (laughing) I am sure somebody has talked to them about introduction to Sahaja Yoga or something? And to make it short, the whole thing I don’t want to repeat as I was thinking of talking on a new subject to the Sahaja Yogis. As you know all of you, and you can see around also that there's a very big en masse search for the Truth — there is. I mean, even in this hall you will be amazed there might be five [or] six halls like this where everybody is sitting in some hall and doing something about it. I mean there is no doubt a very big urge to seek the Truth. This urge has come through our own evolutionary understanding. When human beings have reached a certain stage of sagacity, you can call it, or a satisfaction, like when you have achieved a certain amount of material well-being or have seen something which doesn’t give you a complete answer; like Buddha, when he saw an old man and then a dead man, he was puzzled at it; he was very much puzzled and he started wondering what is this death and why a human being becomes an old man. There was a prophecy about him when he was a child, that he may become an ascetic or he may give up his family life to find the Truth — he might do that. And the parents were worried and [his] father arranged for him a very big palace with all the things available and a very beautiful wife and a child. But still from inside he had a feeling of some incompleteness, of meaningless[ness] of life; and with that meaningless feeling, once he saw a very, very old man and then a dead man, and this just went into his head. This was two thousand years back, more than that. But today there are many buddhas living. I mean his first name was Siddharth. Siddharth itself is a very beautiful name - Siddh, Arth: the one who has mastered his meaning. The beginning of the name itself was very suggestive. But then he became The Buddha, the enlightened one. But you are all siddharthas who are seeking the Truth. He also went to Upanishadas and he also went to many people, he went to Benares and was so disillusioned the way the people were in Benares. he found there was no religion in them, there was no God in them, there was no goodness in them. And they were making money out of all this. Then he went to some gurus, and this and that, and everywhere he found that they did not know the Truth, and he got tired, very tired. he had given up everything just in the search of Truth. And he was so tired, absolutely tired, and lay down under a tree, a banyan tree, we call it the ashwatha: and then Sahaja Yoga itself, [which] is the spontaneous awakening of the Kundalini, took place, and he got his Realisation. But that time there was no Mataji Nirmala Devi to tell him how he got it, where was his Kundalini. he just felt the cool breeze coming in him and he felt his Self and he started talking about it and telling people. he felt that, “Because I gave up everything, that is why it has worked so.” It was a mistake, I would say, or a misunderstanding, because what do you give up? Whatever you hold on to. What is there to give up? All these stones? What? What is their value? And this giving up is also a mental idea, just a mental idea: if you are not holding on to anything what are you going to give up? So this idea of giving up came to him because he thought that this must be the reason. Supposing if I have to come to Caxton Hall, I go all the way to Tottenham Court Road and then I go to East End and then come down here. So if anybody comes to ask me the way I will say, “All right, go to Tottenham Court Road, then to East End and then through the traffic you can land up here!” But it's only two minutes’ drive from my house! So it was that kind of a misunderstanding which led him to think that there is no God. In a way it was a mid-step because if you talk of God suddenly…Even today if I say, “There is a God,” how are you to believe me? You can believe your vibrations, you can believe there’s a cool breeze coming in, you can see the Kundalini rising, you can see the pulsation of that, but how can you say that there is God? Because I say there is. Because it is pervading. And whatever I say, now you can test it on your vibrations! Now how will you know that these vibrations are telling you the Truth? It is very simple if you understand the common sense of relativity. Like, bring two mad people from lunatic asylum absolutely certified as mad — all right? And then - Paul is laughing - and then get two sane people sitting down. Now you put your hands towards the people who are mad and you will get horrible burning in here, maybe in here, maybe in the whole hand — on the left side. And they themselves, before my photograph will be going on like this (shaking). Many go, even they look sane but there are many like that: all fanatics, all extremists, all sorts of people, they go on like this, spiritualists again, druggists, chemists (laughing), cancer patients. It’s a different frequency, different style in every way. So you get ten cases like that. Now you ask the question, “Is there God?” And you start getting cool breeze flowing into you. “Is His power all-pervading?” You start getting a cool breeze flowing into you. That is how you find out which is the Truth, where what I am saying, what vibrations are telling, is the Truth or not. That is how you can test your vibrations. This search is on, and there are many shops people have opened. This is not a shop, this is a temple. And a temple in the market place has a very little value. If you have to climb up seven mountains to go to a temple it has much more value but only a few can reach there alive! So the temple had to come down to London, to Caxton Hall, to talk to people. But in the market place if you have a temple, you can notice that people just go in the marketplace, purchase something before going they may throw 1 anna (1/16 old Indian Rupee) there thinking, “Oh Lord, give me some profit when I am going there!” And while coming back they will throw another 5 annas there saying that, “Oh all right, You have helped me. All right 5p is all right for your sake because I have got some profit I am giving You!” Because they have a mentality of marketing: even with God they bargain. The mentality is of marketing, of most of the people, must be. But among them are real people also. Many, many real people are there who are misled. Because they see the crowds going, thousands of people going there, they are also misled. Ultimately all those who are true seekers will receive their Realisation. Even those who are not will receive it. But first those who are seeking are the foundation stones. They have to build up themselves in such a way that this big edifice could be raised on its back, on its foundation stone. You people have to be such strong Sahaja Yogis, such strong Sahaja Yogis, that from your own life others would take the lessons and understand that this is something that has really transformed people. Because the time of judgment has come and of transformation. The Last Judgement is not direct but through transformation. It does not fail much. If you do not fail it, it is not going to fail: it is going to work out. All sorts of permutations and combinations it has worked out — all sorts. Now there's no horrible guru I have not tried. Of course, sometimes I hear some new names from somebody. The other day I heard something new, some other name. And he’s another funny thing! He’s teaching people, I don't know. Something very horrid he's teaching people. And maybe he may be successful for a short time but ultimately those who are true seekers will definitely come. Those who are supporting these wrong organisations will also come to Sahaja Yoga because they will recognise that, “By supporting these people what are we going to gain? We are going to go to hell!” They will see their gurus how they are behaving: ultimately they will come of course. For the time being they do not. Sometimes it’s quite frustrating. For example, in Norwich we met two ladies — elderly, quite elderly — but without any common sense and they said, “No, we have a guru who has given us a name.” I said, “Why do you need a guru for that? You can pick up on the streets. A donkey can give you a name!”And what is the name they have been given? One of the disciples of this guru told me a name has been given called as ‘tinga’ [which] means ‘a thumb’ — [in India if] you show somebody a thumb, it is ‘tinga’. Just imagine! It is not even Sanskrit! I said, "He doesn't even know Sanskrit! Now he has been found out with six women around him and he’s got keeps and he’s taking all Scotch whisky, all that, he’s busy here.” They said, “Still…” I said, “Still? How long will you go on like that?” Of course some common sense will come into them. So these things are there, existing, but the true ones will understand the true nature of Sahaja Yoga. It is so nice to see all of you here because we are going to have a very nice 27th. Is the day we are initiating you as gurus; that’s the day you will be initiated as gurus. And special powers will be given to you on that day. But our intellect is to be a little bit brought low and our heart is to be a little bit raised higher. If we could do that then we’ll be able to create auspiciousness about us. Now I must tell you about auspiciousness. What is auspicious? This word people know: this is not auspicious, that is not auspicious. If you find the horse’s horseshoe, it is auspicious. Now do you know in modern times the symbol of Sahaja Yoga is a horseshoe-shape: can you imagine? It has many meanings but why that shape is auspicious, people did not know. People do not know why a thing is auspicious and a thing is not auspicious. Now this has been in England; for years people were using horseshoe as an auspicious thing and it is, hundred percent. The shape of a horseshoe emits vibrations. You can see for yourself. The shape of that horseshoe is the shape [of] how The Shakti moves, how the power moves: always like this, elliptical, like that. It goes to a person, say if I love this person the vibrations will go like this and embrace her and then come back. The first movement is this way, the first dimension is like that. But this can be [in] three-hundred and sixty degrees (3600) it moves. The whole Creation took place by the movement of the Shakti like this. That’s why they sometimes see it parabolic. You see, like Einstein has been talking about it. But they see partial truth, not the whole. Now, when you have a shape or a form, or a kind of an assemblage of certain factors in a particular material could be, could be a particular tree, could be a human being, then you find, from that person — only the realised-souls can feel — vibrations coming. Because, whatever emits vibration is auspicious and auspiciousness is the quality by which we emit vibrations. Now purity is a very relative word in the modern times. People don't understand what is purity. I mean they don’t understand even what is normal, leave only purity. Everybody seems to be abnormal or subnormal in modern times. Nobody seems to be normal. Even the psychologists can’t define what normal is. Normal is that which is auspicious. Now this is the knowledge of the beyond. With whatever senses you have, you cannot feel it. For example, I went to Stonehenge. Now you all know that there’s something about Stonehenge, you know that there's something about them. But what about them? These are the stones which have come out of Mother Earth, which are emitting vibrations. And the covering of that has been done later on, some people must have [done that]. They did not understand how these stones have come out, one after another so they must have used [other stones] to cover it. But if they were saints they would have said that, this is a stone which has got vibrations. For example, when we say that we should not worship any statues in The Bible, it’s very correct because it is said that, whatever is created by Mother Earth or by the sky should not be reproduced. So Mother Earth is producing something. Now ask the Christians what are they producing. What is the element that is the earth is producing, what is the sky is producing? They will not be able to tell you! What is this Mother Earth producing which should not be reproduced? Which should not be worshipped? Means something She is producing which should be worshipped and that should not be reproduced. This auspiciousness can only be felt by people who are realised-souls or people who are sensitive to spirituality. Those who are not sensitive to spirituality cannot feel it. They do not understand. They may like a person very much, "Because I like!” But why? Why do you like a person very much and you do not like another person? That person may be any type, they will say, “No we like him!” But children — not all, but many children — can feel the auspiciousness. Dogs can feel it, rats can feel it, snakes can feel it, tigers can feel it, lions can feel it, but human beings are rather difficult! Horses can feel it. Horses feel it very much. If you take them near a place where there are [dead] spirits or, we can say, some sort of a burial ground, they would not like to go down there much. First they would resist, but gradually they also get used to it; same with dogs. They can feel it, a man who is a realised-soul, who is not a realised-soul. They can even feel an evil person. They are very sensitive. A dog can always feel a saint. Even a mad dog can be controlled by a saint. This auspiciousness, the feeling of auspiciousness, can be felt through heart: it’s the feeling from the heart, not from the brain, not from the ego or superego: means either we get ideas from our ego or from our superego, from our conditioning. But if our heart is alive, which is a very rare thing nowadays: most of us have got hearts like, ‘frozen’ I would not say [but] like Rock of Gibraltar. Because frozen can be defrosted. So such a heart, Rock of Gibraltar, is living here, you see. And you meet another person and you feel the other is just going to bang on you with that Rock of Gibraltar! I don’t know if you have visited Rock of Gibraltar any time. I have. One day we were plying on a ship and suddenly our ship stopped and what I found is a huge big promontory. I said, “What sort of a thing it is?” Because no ship can go near any rock, that near, because no rock is that steep to give that much draft for the ship. And this was just like this in front. I said, “What sort of a rock is this?” They said, “This is Rock of Gibraltar!” I was looking at it absolutely a solid piece and you thought it is going to hit you on your head. Something like that [when] human beings become, how can you feel the auspiciousness? It's a very sensitive thing: extremely sensitive and delicate. All the delicacy of the heart, I don't know where it is gone. Like Lord Byron’s style! Look at him: what a life he had! He made everyone miserable in his private life and in his poetry he made everybody cry; took out their eyes, washed them, again put them back in the sockets! (laughing) I mean, he was a very great sadist, I felt. Horrible! He could not write anything beautiful, he could not see anything beautiful, he could not say anything that was pleasant. And people, I have seen, have wept and wept and wept and this fellow was enjoying having a nice time somewhere! (laughing) It’s nice to laugh it out, because we had two patients who read only Lord Byron and were gone cases! (laughing) You don't know in England I get such cases, some samples! He is no more here so I can tell you about him. He used to just weep and weep and weep. And then we didn't do anything with him here, we couldn't do much. I told him, “Why are you weeping?” And then I discovered he was a patient created by Lord Byron! I told him not to take this poet very seriously, and forget about it! (laughing) He was just doing it to sell his books! But the fellow couldn't get rid of it, always he used to get into that mood, and very serious mood and this and that. Then we sent him home. I sent some Sahaja Yogis to his mother, father: very nice people, I must say. They talked to me on the phone: very good people. They said, "Mother, if you say, we’ll keep him in the house.” He’s a big man, he's a big man about thirty years of age, you know. And third day the mother said, “Better chuck him out of the house, Mother!” I said, “Why, where will he go?” She said, “He is still doing the same thing. He is in the room. I have to serve him food. I have to wash his things and he is just sitting and weeping there!” So because the sensitivity is lost. Whom are you giving your heart? To this Lord Byron, of all the persons? This is the problem with us: we do not know who is auspicious. For example, Blake people won’t like. I mean the one who is the poet you have really, I would say, after Shakespeare. I wonder if Shakespeare was one man or many people put together. But Blake was the poet you had, the greatest of all I would say. There were so many, also others. Wordsworth was another. You can see [that] those who talk of charming things or pleasant things and beautiful things are the poets, not these garbage cleaners. What is wrong with us that we cannot make out between the stink and the fragrance? Auspiciousness is the way we emit our fragrance to others. For example the other day two boys got Realisation and all the Sahaja Yogis ran just to feel their vibrations and the rest were left behind. Because they were enjoying the person, the vibrations of that person. Then I shouted at them, I said, “All right, now you have enjoyed, now go and see others also are there!” And they would not go near somebody who was thinking he was a great man sitting down there. Nobody would go near them. They were holding their ears sitting here. Then everybody avoiding to go to that man and the fellow must be feeling miserable, I know that, but I went to him and worked it out. But then I found that he was doing something very, very wrong himself. And he said, “Mother, I am not evil.” I said, “No, it's not evil but whatever you have done is evil, is to play into the spirits, call them down, put on people and this. Is an evil thing to do.” “I did not know, Mother.” I said, “All right. It’s all right, if you did not know, it can be forgiven.” But this is what auspiciousness is: that you feel it from your heart which is awakened. The heart must be awakened. In the heart resides the Spirit, which is not yet flowing in our consciousness, in our central nervous system. It resides there, the joy itself. I don't know if you have ever seen phosphorus taken out of the water and how it just gets ignited, it is like that: inside the maya, the illusion, that spark is sitting down, and when this Kundalini rises and touches that spark, it starts emitting its joy, its auspiciousness. Unless and until you have that within you, you cannot feel the auspiciousness of others. Take a coconut, for example: put it the other way round, you won’t get vibrations. If you put it this way [with] the coconut coming up you will get more vibrations. There are certain coconuts who give you very good vibrations, some give horrible ones. And you know human beings also have coconuts! (laughter) Some of the coconuts give such beautiful vibrations and some of them do not. Some of them are tired. Some of them are nothing but like a balloon of Mr. Ego. Or some of them have nothing but superego in them. So this coconut is to be made auspicious. Now, how it is connected with the Spirit, that is a very important point: how our brain is connected with Spirit. Whatever I am telling you, you need not believe me, but you will find it out for yourself that, whatever I am saying is the Truth. Your heart has the Spirit, the light, and the heart has got seven auras around it. And these seven auras get enlightened by the Spirit. But before that it’s a very instantaneous or you can say a simultaneous happening. When the Kundalini rises there are seven centres also in our brain, in the sense [that] there are the seats of the centres. These seven centres are represented again on the seat, you know that very well. All the Sahaja Yogis know where they are. So when these centres are enlightened, the auras start shining in the heart. And this centre (brahmarandhra) is actually the seat of the Spirit. The Spirit has moved from there and has gone to the heart: that’s why in childhood you will find there’s an opening here. It’s a very soft bone, called as fontanelle bone, talu, is here. Because the Spirit comes out from there and is settled on the heart. You know, Spirit also comes out in the night sometimes, goes round and sees. It’s so. When these centres in our brain get enlightened by Kundalini, one by one, first they are enlightened here, then in the brain, then the auras in the heart start getting enlightened. Ultimately when this centre — which is the centre of the heart here, Sahasrara, in this point — when this one gets enlightened, then the Spirit also gets enlightened, fully; and then these auras become doubly shining. Then the auspiciousness is in many dimensions starts expressing itself. But to keep that light on, one has to keep the Kundalini over here. Then what happens? Then we are ruled by our heart’s indication [rather] than by our brain. How? Because the heart has the Spirit, which emits vibrations, it’s not the brain. And you depend on your vibratory awareness after Realisation. The more you depend on your vibratory awareness, the more you use your heart, your Spirit, not your brain. The more you use your brain: again you go down. Because it is taken over now by the Spirit. For example: after Realisation when you start thinking about it…I mean people can think of anything! I mean I can tell you, I have had such experiences that they would think that, “Why Mataji is wearing a sari like this?” Even to this extent they can go to! But if you can just leave your heart to work it out and don’t think, because you are in thoughtless awareness after Realisation. If you try to maintain that state, pay attention to your heart and let your Spirit emit itself so that it clears out completely the confusion of the brain and everything; then you will be amazed that you cannot lose your vibrations. You cannot lose your Realisation. The simplest way is — we have found like this — that after Realisation if you go for seven days treatment with soaking feet before my photograph it works out. But immediately when I say, “My photograph,”: finished! The ego comes up: “Why her photograph?” First thing comes up: “Who is She?” I may be nothing — all right agreed, I am nothing — but I have raised your Kundalini!I have given you Realisation! I must be something after all. So why worry? I am not taking away anything from you. Then you start establishing your auspiciousness, the sense of auspiciousness. Once you have established it, then you do not lose it very easily. You don’t like then inauspicious things, normally. If there is somebody inauspicious you say, “Mother, no! We can’t do anything about this gentleman!” Afterwards when you become very strong you don't mind working on anyone whatsoever. But gradually you have to grow up to it. I understand that. But I can’t understand people using their rationality to understand Sahaja Yoga. How can you understand this Great Power with your limited rationality? I can explain to an ant about your politics but I cannot tell you how this Divine Power works. One day Djamel asked me, numerically: to what extent it goes, to what dimension? And when I told him he said, “It is incalculable.” I said, “It is infinite! You cannot calculate.” If you put two mirrors facing each other and put some object in between, you cannot calculate how many reflections you will get. Even that you see but you cannot calculate. But here I am talking about something that does that, which creates this. You cannot calculate all the molecules and the atoms of one element, but I am talking about Somebody who has created them and who, in every molecule, pulsates. How can you understand with this brain? You can only become one with It and enjoy yourself! Why worry? Why do you want to count the molecules? Why this madness? It would be like a madman going to the seashore to have a nice bath, starts counting the small little pebbles and the grains of the sand. Get in! Enjoy! You become that. This is advaita, were you become one. All religions teach advaita. Advait means where there is not the other, ananya. You become one with that. With the whole Ocean you become one. [When] a drop becomes the ocean, all the powers of the oceans are there for the drop. That’s what it is. But there are some people, who say, “We believe in dvaita (duality), No, we don’t want to get lost.” You are not lost! You become the whole. But they want to keep their small limitations, you see. Now what is that small limitation they want to keep? It’s called as Mr. E G O, which is a myth, which is a myth. It’s such a big myth is ego: because what do you do, human beings? Let’s see now. What do you do? You make a chair all right. You see, people are even proud if they can make a chair these days because nobody can use their hands these days, you know that, with everything done by machines. I don’t know they cannot create human beings otherwise they may try that also. So what do you do? You create something dead out of dead. Everything is dead. Whatever you have created is dead! Have you done any living work? So one lady got very angry with me. She said, “Yes, we have created a tube baby!” I said, “You have not created, it was all there. The life was there. You just brought it together and it worked out that way. It's nothing!” It’s just like an egg being put it in the incubator. It is that. A simple thing! You have done nothing! You have put life into it, have you? Let us confess it now. We cannot convert even one flower, transform one flower into a fruit. Let us admit it. So what is this ego, then? “I do this and I do this,” “I would like that and I would have this” and “I, I, I.” Who is this ‘Mr. I’ who cannot do one living thing? Just ask yourself! It’s a very simple question. So you reach a conclusion: it’s a myth. We do not do anything. As many times I have told you that, some people going by train put all their luggage on their heads. So they said, “Why are you carrying so much luggage on your head?” They said, “Because they want to reduce the weight of the train.” (laughter) This is just like that: put it on your head! “I do it! I do it! I do it!” But by brainwashing you I cannot reduce it. How [then]? The myth has to be broken. The myth breaks when Kundalini rises. Then how you talk is a very different language: “It is not coming.” “It is not going.” It is ‘it’. It becomes a third person. Then your power which is flowing through your hands, you see that going through your hands, which you are manoeuvring. You don’t say, “I am giving you Realisation!” You just say, “It is going.” “It is rising.” “It is not coming.” Even if it is your son you will say, “I cannot give, now what to do?” Like a lady came with me to America once and she was very anxious that I must give Realisation to her son and all that. So I told her, “Look at this. Now you have come all the way, I know, for this purpose. But now if the Kundalini doesn’t rise, should you want me to say that he is realised?” “No, no, no, Mataji, I know it doesn't rise.” Then I said, “You give him a Realisation. I cannot give him, all right, you try.” Then, “But it doesn't rise!” I said, “Then what to do? If the Kundalini is not coming up, what can we do about it?” So, the Kundalini has to come spontaneously. It’s a living process but after Realisation you start doing living things. You can raise the Kundalini. You can pulsate the Kundalini. I don't know about pulsation: so far I have not seen any Sahaja Yogi doing it. But you can raise it all right. You can give Realisation: with my photograph it works better. You can give vibrations now to the plants, to the fruit, or to any, any flower like this. If it is dying it will come to life. If you give vibrations say, to a field of, or seeds of, wheat, they can be multiplied: they can be ten times more than what they were. Now you have started giving vibrations to the trees, to the people, you are doing the living work. Now you have become the ocean of life. So far you were not because the power of life [which] is to give life has come in you! Now you are living, before this you were dead, in the sense that you were worshipping a dead God called ‘ego’, now it’s the living God within you — is the Spirit. Once you start accepting your Spirit all your priorities change just like that, because Spirit is joy and happiness. Spirit is the everything, so you start losing all your interest into other things. This is what is, when your auspiciousness is of the greatest height that even your name can create something great, and photograph can do wonders. If you become auspiciousness, you are the holiest of the holy. For that we have to get rid of some of the dirt and the dust, we have to get rid of some of the false notions that we have and myths of things: some people have the myth that they are guilty and some people, as I told you, have so many myths. But for giving up, this Kundalini works out. You allow Her to work it out, that’s all. It works. It has worked with so many from England and I am very proud of my Sahaja Yogis of England. If anybody asks me, “Where do you find the best young people?” I said, “It’s in England,” and they are surprised. They are not racialists, they are not all this nonsense of being fanatics, nothing. Except for druggists and chemists they are. (laughter) That also due to mistakes. But that I can correct. But most of them are beautiful people, very sincere, very honest and very good. Because England is the heart, is the heart of the universe, of the world. Whatever happens in England gets known all over the world. Do you know these people had this siege (at the Iranian Embassy in Kensington on 30/4/1980); today I read in the paper they were giving an explanation about it, that, “We did it in England, not because we wanted to kill anybody or anything, but we wanted to talk to British government, so that if anything happens in London it will be known all over the world.” People still think that British are still the sanest people in the West. Still they think like that, which is the truth. So, we have a very good group of people here, which has to expand. You have to find out more and more who are seekers. But don’t tell them just now that you have to give up any one of their druggists chemists business, because if you tell them then they will run away. We made a mistake like this, I know that. No, they will just give up, you don’t worry. Let them come. Because once they have found it, even if we tell them [to], they will not go back. Let them join. Let them come. By your auspiciousness, by your vibrations and the fragrance of the flowers let all the bees start hovering, knowing that there is the scent of the beautiful nectar hidden under these petals. I am sure all of them will come and one day from England we’ll have the real spiritual upsurge for the whole world. May God bless you.	null	null	null	“Auspiciousness”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 21 July 1980. Hello! It’s good! How are you? It’s a good day. Today is an auspicious day because 21st is an auspicious day for us and today is Monday and the 7th month. All things combined together and it's a very auspicious evening. So today I’ll talk to you about auspiciousness because most of you are Sahaj Yogis. Who has come for the first time? One, two, three, four, five…So we have for the first time! All right. (laughing) I am sure somebody has talked to them about introduction to Sahaja Yoga or something? And to make it short, the whole thing I don’t want to repeat as I was thinking of talking on a new subject to the Sahaja Yogis. As you know all of you, and you can see around also that there's a very big en masse search for the Truth — there is. I mean, even in this hall you will be amazed there might be five [or] six halls like this where everybody is sitting in some hall and doing something about it. I mean there is no doubt a very big urge to seek the Truth. This urge has come through our own evolutionary understanding. When human beings have reached a certain stage of sagacity, you can call it, or a satisfaction, like when you have achieved a certain amount of material well-being or have seen something which doesn’t give you a complete answer; like Buddha, when he saw an old man and then a dead man, he was puzzled at it; he was very much puzzled and he started wondering what is this death and why a human being becomes an old man. There was a prophecy about him when he was a child, that he may become an ascetic or he may give up his family life to find the Truth — he might do that. And the parents were worried and [his] father arranged for him a very big palace with all the things available and a very beautiful wife and a child. But still from inside he had a feeling of some incompleteness, of meaningless[ness] of life; and with that meaningless feeling, once he saw a very, very old man and then a dead man, and this just went into his head. This was two thousand years back, more than that. But today there are many buddhas living. I mean his first name was Siddharth. Siddharth itself is a very beautiful name - Siddh, Arth: the one who has mastered his meaning. The beginning of the name itself was very suggestive. But then he became The Buddha, the enlightened one. But you are all siddharthas who are seeking the Truth. He also went to Upanishadas and he also went to many people, he went to Benares and was so disillusioned the way the people were in Benares. he found there was no religion in them, there was no God in them, there was no goodness in them. And they were making money out of all this. Then he went to some gurus, and this and that, and everywhere he found that they did not know the Truth, and he got tired, very tired. he had given up everything just in the search of Truth. And he was so tired, absolutely tired, and lay down under a tree, a banyan tree, we call it the ashwatha: and then Sahaja Yoga itself, [which] is the spontaneous awakening of the Kundalini, took place, and he got his Realisation. But that time there was no Mataji Nirmala Devi to tell him how he got it, where was his Kundalini. he just felt the cool breeze coming in him and he felt his Self and he started talking about it and telling people. he felt that, “Because I gave up everything, that is why it has worked so.” It was a mistake, I would say, or a misunderstanding, because what do you give up? Whatever you hold on to. What is there to give up? All these stones? What? What is their value? And this giving up is also a mental idea, just a mental idea: if you are not holding on to anything what are you going to give up? So this idea of giving up came to him because he thought that this must be the reason. Supposing if I have to come to Caxton Hall, I go all the way to Tottenham Court Road and then I go to East End and then come down here. So if anybody comes to ask me the way I will say, “All right, go to Tottenham Court Road, then to East End and then through the traffic you can land up here!” But it's only two minutes’ drive from my house! So it was that kind of a misunderstanding which led him to think that there is no God. In a way it was a mid-step because if you talk of God suddenly…Even today if I say, “There is a God,” how are you to believe me? You can believe your vibrations, you can believe there’s a cool breeze coming in, you can see the Kundalini rising, you can see the pulsation of that, but how can you say that there is God? Because I say there is. Because it is pervading. And whatever I say, now you can test it on your vibrations! Now how will you know that these vibrations are telling you the Truth? It is very simple if you understand the common sense of relativity. Like, bring two mad people from lunatic asylum absolutely certified as mad — all right? And then - Paul is laughing - and then get two sane people sitting down. Now you put your hands towards the people who are mad and you will get horrible burning in here, maybe in here, maybe in the whole hand — on the left side. And they themselves, before my photograph will be going on like this (shaking). Many go, even they look sane but there are many like that: all fanatics, all extremists, all sorts of people, they go on like this, spiritualists again, druggists, chemists (laughing), cancer patients. It’s a different frequency, different style in every way. So you get ten cases like that. Now you ask the question, “Is there God?” And you start getting cool breeze flowing into you. “Is His power all-pervading?” You start getting a cool breeze flowing into you. That is how you find out which is the Truth, where what I am saying, what vibrations are telling, is the Truth or not. That is how you can test your vibrations. This search is on, and there are many shops people have opened. This is not a shop, this is a temple. And a temple in the market place has a very little value. If you have to climb up seven mountains to go to a temple it has much more value but only a few can reach there alive! So the temple had to come down to London, to Caxton Hall, to talk to people. But in the market place if you have a temple, you can notice that people just go in the marketplace, purchase something before going they may throw 1 anna (1/16 old Indian Rupee) there thinking, “Oh Lord, give me some profit when I am going there!” And while coming back they will throw another 5 annas there saying that, “Oh all right, You have helped me. All right 5p is all right for your sake because I have got some profit I am giving You!” Because they have a mentality of marketing: even with God they bargain. The mentality is of marketing, of most of the people, must be. But among them are real people also. Many, many real people are there who are misled. Because they see the crowds going, thousands of people going there, they are also misled. Ultimately all those who are true seekers will receive their Realisation. Even those who are not will receive it. But first those who are seeking are the foundation stones. They have to build up themselves in such a way that this big edifice could be raised on its back, on its foundation stone. You people have to be such strong Sahaja Yogis, such strong Sahaja Yogis, that from your own life others would take the lessons and understand that this is something that has really transformed people. Because the time of judgment has come and of transformation. The Last Judgement is not direct but through transformation. It does not fail much. If you do not fail it, it is not going to fail: it is going to work out. All sorts of permutations and combinations it has worked out — all sorts. Now there's no horrible guru I have not tried. Of course, sometimes I hear some new names from somebody. The other day I heard something new, some other name. And he’s another funny thing! He’s teaching people, I don't know. Something very horrid he's teaching people. And maybe he may be successful for a short time but ultimately those who are true seekers will definitely come. Those who are supporting these wrong organisations will also come to Sahaja Yoga because they will recognise that, “By supporting these people what are we going to gain? We are going to go to hell!” They will see their gurus how they are behaving: ultimately they will come of course. For the time being they do not. Sometimes it’s quite frustrating. For example, in Norwich we met two ladies — elderly, quite elderly — but without any common sense and they said, “No, we have a guru who has given us a name.” I said, “Why do you need a guru for that? You can pick up on the streets. A donkey can give you a name!”And what is the name they have been given? One of the disciples of this guru told me a name has been given called as ‘tinga’ [which] means ‘a thumb’ — [in India if] you show somebody a thumb, it is ‘tinga’. Just imagine! It is not even Sanskrit! I said, "He doesn't even know Sanskrit! Now he has been found out with six women around him and he’s got keeps and he’s taking all Scotch whisky, all that, he’s busy here.” They said, “Still…” I said, “Still? How long will you go on like that?” Of course some common sense will come into them. So these things are there, existing, but the true ones will understand the true nature of Sahaja Yoga. It is so nice to see all of you here because we are going to have a very nice 27th. Is the day we are initiating you as gurus; that’s the day you will be initiated as gurus. And special powers will be given to you on that day. But our intellect is to be a little bit brought low and our heart is to be a little bit raised higher. If we could do that then we’ll be able to create auspiciousness about us. Now I must tell you about auspiciousness. What is auspicious? This word people know: this is not auspicious, that is not auspicious. If you find the horse’s horseshoe, it is auspicious. Now do you know in modern times the symbol of Sahaja Yoga is a horseshoe-shape: can you imagine? It has many meanings but why that shape is auspicious, people did not know. People do not know why a thing is auspicious and a thing is not auspicious. Now this has been in England; for years people were using horseshoe as an auspicious thing and it is, hundred percent. The shape of a horseshoe emits vibrations. You can see for yourself. The shape of that horseshoe is the shape [of] how The Shakti moves, how the power moves: always like this, elliptical, like that. It goes to a person, say if I love this person the vibrations will go like this and embrace her and then come back. The first movement is this way, the first dimension is like that. But this can be [in] three-hundred and sixty degrees (3600) it moves. The whole Creation took place by the movement of the Shakti like this. That’s why they sometimes see it parabolic. You see, like Einstein has been talking about it. But they see partial truth, not the whole. Now, when you have a shape or a form, or a kind of an assemblage of certain factors in a particular material could be, could be a particular tree, could be a human being, then you find, from that person — only the realised-souls can feel — vibrations coming. Because, whatever emits vibration is auspicious and auspiciousness is the quality by which we emit vibrations. Now purity is a very relative word in the modern times. People don't understand what is purity. I mean they don’t understand even what is normal, leave only purity. Everybody seems to be abnormal or subnormal in modern times. Nobody seems to be normal. Even the psychologists can’t define what normal is. Normal is that which is auspicious. Now this is the knowledge of the beyond. With whatever senses you have, you cannot feel it. For example, I went to Stonehenge. Now you all know that there’s something about Stonehenge, you know that there's something about them. But what about them? These are the stones which have come out of Mother Earth, which are emitting vibrations. And the covering of that has been done later on, some people must have [done that]. They did not understand how these stones have come out, one after another so they must have used [other stones] to cover it. But if they were saints they would have said that, this is a stone which has got vibrations. For example, when we say that we should not worship any statues in The Bible, it’s very correct because it is said that, whatever is created by Mother Earth or by the sky should not be reproduced. So Mother Earth is producing something. Now ask the Christians what are they producing. What is the element that is the earth is producing, what is the sky is producing? They will not be able to tell you! What is this Mother Earth producing which should not be reproduced? Which should not be worshipped? Means something She is producing which should be worshipped and that should not be reproduced. This auspiciousness can only be felt by people who are realised-souls or people who are sensitive to spirituality. Those who are not sensitive to spirituality cannot feel it. They do not understand. They may like a person very much, "Because I like!” But why? Why do you like a person very much and you do not like another person? That person may be any type, they will say, “No we like him!” But children — not all, but many children — can feel the auspiciousness. Dogs can feel it, rats can feel it, snakes can feel it, tigers can feel it, lions can feel it, but human beings are rather difficult! Horses can feel it. Horses feel it very much. If you take them near a place where there are [dead] spirits or, we can say, some sort of a burial ground, they would not like to go down there much. First they would resist, but gradually they also get used to it; same with dogs. They can feel it, a man who is a realised-soul, who is not a realised-soul. They can even feel an evil person. They are very sensitive. A dog can always feel a saint. Even a mad dog can be controlled by a saint. This auspiciousness, the feeling of auspiciousness, can be felt through heart: it’s the feeling from the heart, not from the brain, not from the ego or superego: means either we get ideas from our ego or from our superego, from our conditioning. But if our heart is alive, which is a very rare thing nowadays: most of us have got hearts like, ‘frozen’ I would not say [but] like Rock of Gibraltar. Because frozen can be defrosted. So such a heart, Rock of Gibraltar, is living here, you see. And you meet another person and you feel the other is just going to bang on you with that Rock of Gibraltar! I don’t know if you have visited Rock of Gibraltar any time. I have. One day we were plying on a ship and suddenly our ship stopped and what I found is a huge big promontory. I said, “What sort of a thing it is?” Because no ship can go near any rock, that near, because no rock is that steep to give that much draft for the ship. And this was just like this in front. I said, “What sort of a rock is this?” They said, “This is Rock of Gibraltar!” I was looking at it absolutely a solid piece and you thought it is going to hit you on your head. Something like that [when] human beings become, how can you feel the auspiciousness? It's a very sensitive thing: extremely sensitive and delicate. All the delicacy of the heart, I don't know where it is gone. Like Lord Byron’s style! Look at him: what a life he had! He made everyone miserable in his private life and in his poetry he made everybody cry; took out their eyes, washed them, again put them back in the sockets! (laughing) I mean, he was a very great sadist, I felt. Horrible! He could not write anything beautiful, he could not see anything beautiful, he could not say anything that was pleasant. And people, I have seen, have wept and wept and wept and this fellow was enjoying having a nice time somewhere! (laughing) It’s nice to laugh it out, because we had two patients who read only Lord Byron and were gone cases! (laughing) You don't know in England I get such cases, some samples! He is no more here so I can tell you about him. He used to just weep and weep and weep. And then we didn't do anything with him here, we couldn't do much. I told him, “Why are you weeping?” And then I discovered he was a patient created by Lord Byron! I told him not to take this poet very seriously, and forget about it! (laughing) He was just doing it to sell his books! But the fellow couldn't get rid of it, always he used to get into that mood, and very serious mood and this and that. Then we sent him home. I sent some Sahaja Yogis to his mother, father: very nice people, I must say. They talked to me on the phone: very good people. They said, "Mother, if you say, we’ll keep him in the house.” He’s a big man, he's a big man about thirty years of age, you know. And third day the mother said, “Better chuck him out of the house, Mother!” I said, “Why, where will he go?” She said, “He is still doing the same thing. He is in the room. I have to serve him food. I have to wash his things and he is just sitting and weeping there!” So because the sensitivity is lost. Whom are you giving your heart? To this Lord Byron, of all the persons? This is the problem with us: we do not know who is auspicious. For example, Blake people won’t like. I mean the one who is the poet you have really, I would say, after Shakespeare. I wonder if Shakespeare was one man or many people put together. But Blake was the poet you had, the greatest of all I would say. There were so many, also others. Wordsworth was another. You can see [that] those who talk of charming things or pleasant things and beautiful things are the poets, not these garbage cleaners. What is wrong with us that we cannot make out between the stink and the fragrance? Auspiciousness is the way we emit our fragrance to others. For example the other day two boys got Realisation and all the Sahaja Yogis ran just to feel their vibrations and the rest were left behind. Because they were enjoying the person, the vibrations of that person. Then I shouted at them, I said, “All right, now you have enjoyed, now go and see others also are there!” And they would not go near somebody who was thinking he was a great man sitting down there. Nobody would go near them. They were holding their ears sitting here. Then everybody avoiding to go to that man and the fellow must be feeling miserable, I know that, but I went to him and worked it out. But then I found that he was doing something very, very wrong himself. And he said, “Mother, I am not evil.” I said, “No, it's not evil but whatever you have done is evil, is to play into the spirits, call them down, put on people and this. Is an evil thing to do.” “I did not know, Mother.” I said, “All right. It’s all right, if you did not know, it can be forgiven.” But this is what auspiciousness is: that you feel it from your heart which is awakened. The heart must be awakened. In the heart resides the Spirit, which is not yet flowing in our consciousness, in our central nervous system. It resides there, the joy itself. I don't know if you have ever seen phosphorus taken out of the water and how it just gets ignited, it is like that: inside the maya, the illusion, that spark is sitting down, and when this Kundalini rises and touches that spark, it starts emitting its joy, its auspiciousness. Unless and until you have that within you, you cannot feel the auspiciousness of others. Take a coconut, for example: put it the other way round, you won’t get vibrations. If you put it this way [with] the coconut coming up you will get more vibrations. There are certain coconuts who give you very good vibrations, some give horrible ones. And you know human beings also have coconuts! (laughter) Some of the coconuts give such beautiful vibrations and some of them do not. Some of them are tired. Some of them are nothing but like a balloon of Mr. Ego. Or some of them have nothing but superego in them. So this coconut is to be made auspicious. Now, how it is connected with the Spirit, that is a very important point: how our brain is connected with Spirit. Whatever I am telling you, you need not believe me, but you will find it out for yourself that, whatever I am saying is the Truth. Your heart has the Spirit, the light, and the heart has got seven auras around it. And these seven auras get enlightened by the Spirit. But before that it’s a very instantaneous or you can say a simultaneous happening. When the Kundalini rises there are seven centres also in our brain, in the sense [that] there are the seats of the centres. These seven centres are represented again on the seat, you know that very well. All the Sahaja Yogis know where they are. So when these centres are enlightened, the auras start shining in the heart. And this centre (brahmarandhra) is actually the seat of the Spirit. The Spirit has moved from there and has gone to the heart: that’s why in childhood you will find there’s an opening here. It’s a very soft bone, called as fontanelle bone, talu, is here. Because the Spirit comes out from there and is settled on the heart. You know, Spirit also comes out in the night sometimes, goes round and sees. It’s so. When these centres in our brain get enlightened by Kundalini, one by one, first they are enlightened here, then in the brain, then the auras in the heart start getting enlightened. Ultimately when this centre — which is the centre of the heart here, Sahasrara, in this point — when this one gets enlightened, then the Spirit also gets enlightened, fully; and then these auras become doubly shining. Then the auspiciousness is in many dimensions starts expressing itself. But to keep that light on, one has to keep the Kundalini over here. Then what happens? Then we are ruled by our heart’s indication [rather] than by our brain. How? Because the heart has the Spirit, which emits vibrations, it’s not the brain. And you depend on your vibratory awareness after Realisation. The more you depend on your vibratory awareness, the more you use your heart, your Spirit, not your brain. The more you use your brain: again you go down. Because it is taken over now by the Spirit. For example: after Realisation when you start thinking about it…I mean people can think of anything! I mean I can tell you, I have had such experiences that they would think that, “Why Mataji is wearing a sari like this?” Even to this extent they can go to! But if you can just leave your heart to work it out and don’t think, because you are in thoughtless awareness after Realisation. If you try to maintain that state, pay attention to your heart and let your Spirit emit itself so that it clears out completely the confusion of the brain and everything; then you will be amazed that you cannot lose your vibrations. You cannot lose your Realisation. The simplest way is — we have found like this — that after Realisation if you go for seven days treatment with soaking feet before my photograph it works out. But immediately when I say, “My photograph,”: finished! The ego comes up: “Why her photograph?” First thing comes up: “Who is She?” I may be nothing — all right agreed, I am nothing — but I have raised your Kundalini!I have given you Realisation! I must be something after all. So why worry? I am not taking away anything from you. Then you start establishing your auspiciousness, the sense of auspiciousness. Once you have established it, then you do not lose it very easily. You don’t like then inauspicious things, normally. If there is somebody inauspicious you say, “Mother, no! We can’t do anything about this gentleman!” Afterwards when you become very strong you don't mind working on anyone whatsoever. But gradually you have to grow up to it. I understand that. But I can’t understand people using their rationality to understand Sahaja Yoga. How can you understand this Great Power with your limited rationality? I can explain to an ant about your politics but I cannot tell you how this Divine Power works. One day Djamel asked me, numerically: to what extent it goes, to what dimension? And when I told him he said, “It is incalculable.” I said, “It is infinite! You cannot calculate.” If you put two mirrors facing each other and put some object in between, you cannot calculate how many reflections you will get. Even that you see but you cannot calculate. But here I am talking about something that does that, which creates this. You cannot calculate all the molecules and the atoms of one element, but I am talking about Somebody who has created them and who, in every molecule, pulsates. How can you understand with this brain? You can only become one with It and enjoy yourself! Why worry? Why do you want to count the molecules? Why this madness? It would be like a madman going to the seashore to have a nice bath, starts counting the small little pebbles and the grains of the sand. Get in! Enjoy! You become that. This is advaita, were you become one. All religions teach advaita. Advait means where there is not the other, ananya. You become one with that. With the whole Ocean you become one. [When] a drop becomes the ocean, all the powers of the oceans are there for the drop. That’s what it is. But there are some people, who say, “We believe in dvaita (duality), No, we don’t want to get lost.” You are not lost! You become the whole. But they want to keep their small limitations, you see. Now what is that small limitation they want to keep? It’s called as Mr. E G O, which is a myth, which is a myth. It’s such a big myth is ego: because what do you do, human beings? Let’s see now. What do you do? You make a chair all right. You see, people are even proud if they can make a chair these days because nobody can use their hands these days, you know that, with everything done by machines. I don’t know they cannot create human beings otherwise they may try that also. So what do you do? You create something dead out of dead. Everything is dead. Whatever you have created is dead! Have you done any living work? So one lady got very angry with me. She said, “Yes, we have created a tube baby!” I said, “You have not created, it was all there. The life was there. You just brought it together and it worked out that way. It's nothing!” It’s just like an egg being put it in the incubator. It is that. A simple thing! You have done nothing! You have put life into it, have you? Let us confess it now. We cannot convert even one flower, transform one flower into a fruit. Let us admit it. So what is this ego, then? “I do this and I do this,” “I would like that and I would have this” and “I, I, I.” Who is this ‘Mr. I’ who cannot do one living thing? Just ask yourself! It’s a very simple question. So you reach a conclusion: it’s a myth. We do not do anything. As many times I have told you that, some people going by train put all their luggage on their heads. So they said, “Why are you carrying so much luggage on your head?” They said, “Because they want to reduce the weight of the train.” (laughter) This is just like that: put it on your head! “I do it! I do it! I do it!” But by brainwashing you I cannot reduce it. How [then]? The myth has to be broken. The myth breaks when Kundalini rises. Then how you talk is a very different language: “It is not coming.” “It is not going.” It is ‘it’. It becomes a third person. Then your power which is flowing through your hands, you see that going through your hands, which you are manoeuvring. You don’t say, “I am giving you Realisation!” You just say, “It is going.” “It is rising.” “It is not coming.” Even if it is your son you will say, “I cannot give, now what to do?” Like a lady came with me to America once and she was very anxious that I must give Realisation to her son and all that. So I told her, “Look at this. Now you have come all the way, I know, for this purpose. But now if the Kundalini doesn’t rise, should you want me to say that he is realised?” “No, no, no, Mataji, I know it doesn't rise.” Then I said, “You give him a Realisation. I cannot give him, all right, you try.” Then, “But it doesn't rise!” I said, “Then what to do? If the Kundalini is not coming up, what can we do about it?” So, the Kundalini has to come spontaneously. It’s a living process but after Realisation you start doing living things. You can raise the Kundalini. You can pulsate the Kundalini. I don't know about pulsation: so far I have not seen any Sahaja Yogi doing it. But you can raise it all right. You can give Realisation: with my photograph it works better. You can give vibrations now to the plants, to the fruit, or to any, any flower like this. If it is dying it will come to life. If you give vibrations say, to a field of, or seeds of, wheat, they can be multiplied: they can be ten times more than what they were. Now you have started giving vibrations to the trees, to the people, you are doing the living work. Now you have become the ocean of life. So far you were not because the power of life [which] is to give life has come in you! Now you are living, before this you were dead, in the sense that you were worshipping a dead God called ‘ego’, now it’s the living God within you — is the Spirit. Once you start accepting your Spirit all your priorities change just like that, because Spirit is joy and happiness. Spirit is the everything, so you start losing all your interest into other things. This is what is, when your auspiciousness is of the greatest height that even your name can create something great, and photograph can do wonders. If you become auspiciousness, you are the holiest of the holy. For that we have to get rid of some of the dirt and the dust, we have to get rid of some of the false notions that we have and myths of things: some people have the myth that they are guilty and some people, as I told you, have so many myths. But for giving up, this Kundalini works out. You allow Her to work it out, that’s all. It works. It has worked with so many from England and I am very proud of my Sahaja Yogis of England. If anybody asks me, “Where do you find the best young people?” I said, “It’s in England,” and they are surprised. They are not racialists, they are not all this nonsense of being fanatics, nothing. Except for druggists and chemists they are. (laughter) That also due to mistakes. But that I can correct. But most of them are beautiful people, very sincere, very honest and very good. Because England is the heart, is the heart of the universe, of the world. Whatever happens in England gets known all over the world. Do you know these people had this siege (at the Iranian Embassy in Kensington on 30/4/1980); today I read in the paper they were giving an explanation about it, that, “We did it in England, not because we wanted to kill anybody or anything, but we wanted to talk to British government, so that if anything happens in London it will be known all over the world.” People still think that British are still the sanest people in the West. Still they think like that, which is the truth. So, we have a very good group of people here, which has to expand. You have to find out more and more who are seekers. But don’t tell them just now that you have to give up any one of their druggists chemists business, because if you tell them then they will run away. We made a mistake like this, I know that. No, they will just give up, you don’t worry. Let them come. Because once they have found it, even if we tell them [to], they will not go back. Let them join. Let them come. By your auspiciousness, by your vibrations and the fragrance of the flowers let all the bees start hovering, knowing that there is the scent of the beautiful nectar hidden under these petals. I am sure all of them will come and one day from England we’ll have the real spiritual upsurge for the whole world. May God bless you.
7/25/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8476	Where Is the Kingdom of God?	England	Enfield	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	59	1980-07-25 Where Is the Kingdom of God? Today a very interesting visitor came to see me and he looked rather worried, and he has been in some sort of a course thing, which he has been doing for the last six and a half years and he has not retrieved any results out of it. And on the contrary feeling quite confused, sick and unhappy about it. So then he asked me a question, that: “Christ had promised that he will lead us into the kingdom of God, and what is it Mother, are we going anywhere near the kingdom of God?” I said: "That’s what I’m saying, that’s what I’m talking about! But you want to join a course because you want to fly? Or you want to join a course because you are enamored by some guru or somebody? There is no fair charges to enter into a kingdom of God. You cannot pay for it. All these absurd ideas I don’t know from when you started accumulating that you can pay for your God, you can pay for specialty, you can pay for becoming the citizen of God’s kingdom. It is absolutely absurd! I mean it’s absolutely stupid! For how you got these ideas and how you accepted them is beyond." And experiencing. I said, experiencing you are talking about. Experiencing, you can be an experienced by going to a pub. You can get an experience if you feel very happy if you take- I don’t know, I have never tested but, they say so that feels very happy, otherwise they will not go there. So you can feel happy going to a pub, you can be happy doing something like that for the time being, all right. But there’s no transformation within, there’s no living process has started. It is like a seed, if you put it in the proper conditions into the mother earth, you see that it starts transforming into something new. Something starts manifesting through it. Unless and until that happens, why should you be satisfied with nonsensical things like the transformation. That is the first thought that one must know that you have to be transformed. Christ has said that you have to be born again, what about that? What’s happy about that? Nobody’s bothered, nobody finished about it. Even in the churches if you go they never talk about it. And as a result people are now against churches, I feel rightly, because they think that going to the church, confess- confessions and all that, when did Christ talk about it? All these (unclear). (3.21) Are they going to give us that transformation? Now, our forefathers were doing it, their forefathers were doing it, we have been doing it for thousands of years. And where are we today? In the greatest confusion. So something has to happen within us, some happening has to take place, and that’s the transformation must start to work. This is the minimum of minimum, once you know that if you are entering into the Kingdom of God, some transformation must be placed! For example when you go from India to London, you must change your dress, you have to have a overcoat and you have to have many other things. For a very superficial level you can see that. But on the deeper, the spiritual level, the transformation is from within. All your priorities change, all your sense of securities are established, you become a different person! And I said that, why did you go for this? (unclear) attracted. (4.28) Because there’s a more people, there should be no reason that when there are more people then maybe somehow (unclear) about it. Because normally people are attracted toward some sort of a drug. See now in instance so many people have come here. Four or five, at the most. But if there was a guru coming, you would need a balloon, you would need a bandan, and later on they find out that the guru was living a very bad life, he was a parasite on the society, he was drinking whisky and he had high (unclear) (4.58). But for Sahaja Yoga you’ll always find less people coming, because this is the truth. But one should know about, truth is not to be judged by how many people follow, even if there’s half a person, it is true! Truth can guide self. If Christ was crucified that doesn’t mean that he was not the truth! He was! Though he was crucified and nobody could support it, nobody could (unclear) about it. But truth remains as it is. By your coming to it, truth is not, in anyway, enamoured or in any way decorated or promoted. It is you who realize everything. It is you who see something out of it. It is you feel the bounty as a bliss of it. To think, that when the others will go, then we’ll follow, is another way of a coward. You have to come to close as soon as possible. Because the time has come for all of you to get your realization. This is what you are seeking, simple thing as that! As simple as that, that you are seeking your realization, you are seeking your absolute. You are seeking your wholesomeness, and here it is you are going to to get it, it’s that simple. But now I must put it in a sugar coated ice-cream, and should tell you in a very round-a-bout way. It’s very simple for me because it is within you, it’s all there, yet what I do, is what Mother earth does to a seed. It sprouts by itself, it works by itself, you manifest by yourself. That wants of the Mother Earth I do give you, that’s all. And what did we give to the Mother Earth? We don’t even feel obliged, we should not, that’s her job, it has to be. So if I’m doing anything for you, there’s nothing to feel obliged about it, no way, that’s my job, I’m here for that. For one thing once I don’t understand. How can you pay for starting a seed? What can you do about it? Nothing. Only the Mother Earth can do it, she will do it. In the same way, it is such a living process, Sahaja Yoga, that you just have to do nothing. If you try to do something, there will be a problem. But once you get it, that’s the beauty of Sahaja Yoga, once you get it then you can do it for others. Once you know how to swim, you become the master. Then you can save many people. But when you don’t know how to swim, how can you save others? It’s that simple! It is all within you, the light is within you, only it needs to be enlightened, finished. There’s nothing much, nothing less. It’s a very simple thing. For we take so many things for granted, like transformation of a flower into a seed. We take it for granted. Do we think about it, how it happened, how it works out? We just take it for granted. In the same way we have taken for granted our evolution up to this point. And if anything has to happen further also, it has to be the same way. There is a little different. Because so far till the human being came up to assert themselves as human beings. The animals didn’t have this freedom as human beings have. That’s why you’ll find, you must be the (unclear) idiotic, never stupid. (9.03) Never stupid. Have you seen any person, any, any animal who is stupid? Either you’ll be mad but he won’t be stupid. He can be idiotic or stupid and we have been! Because when the human beings have got the ego, and this ego means you’re that stupid. While the animals don’t have any ego so they don’t fall into these traps of stupidity. We only the human beings are quite capable of doing lots of stupid things. Like I heard, that in America they now have a big Disneyland as far as past is concerned. I don’t know how you can make him into a Disneyland, it is sickening somehow. They have built a very big organization, a big (unclear) is there and tried to convey there! Most surprising! How do you (unclear), but they have done it. (9.55) So this is what it is. Human being are so stupid and can be so very stupid, that it is impossible to tell them that you are stupid. If you tell them that they beat you hard, they’ll beat you. Only the human beings can do that, animals cannot, because you have your freedom. And only the human beings can do one more thing, which is the greatest depth. If they are not stupid, they can do another thing, that is to achieve their realization. That is to know, that within them resides the spirit. Only human beings, not animals. It is there in their own awareness, in human awareness can know that they have found the truth. This is only done when you are a human. So how great is the image of a human being compared to all other animals, but when he doesn’t understand, his own esteem, he has no self-esteem, then he can be very stupid. He can only absolutely a foolish man or he could be the wisest of all. He can rise to the highest, if he takes to the right course, or he can stood down to a monstrous flower, if he doesn’t want to. Because he has freedom to move into any, any dimension, and he does that. Now, it is for you to ask for your realization. It is for you to seek your realization and the truth. If you ask for it you’ll get it. If you ask for stupidity, you’ll get your stupidity. Whatever you ask is available. Is on a platter. While you have to decide what you want to have. Once you decide that’s how it is. Human beings have been given freedom, you have heard that Adam and Eve were given freedom. You’re given freedom once for all. Now, it cannot be taken back. Many people say: “Then Mother, why doesn’t God control all these wrong type of people?” What can you do? Most of your problems are human created. Human beings have created the problems God has created no problems! Now it is your freedom, whether it is a collective problem, or is a personal problem or an individual problem or social problem, economic, political, any problem it is, it is all created by human beings. So if it is created by human beings, then it is to be solved by human beings. But as they are, they cannot solve it. Because they have not found out their source of energy. They are not found out their absolute. You’re on a relative plate. Anything so relative, so relative in this- these modern times called as Ghor Kali Yoga. That we are nothing but bundle of confusion. Anything you take, for example you go to Russia, you find the people there quite confused about many things. Like they said, that: “How can you believe in a God, which looks after such horrible parasites like these Orthodox bhoot people who are living here. They don’t do any work, they wear those black dresses, and do not do any work, just sit at home and have a nice time. They drink and they have all bad qualities and everything they have. And how do you call that they are Godly people?” I said: “All right, they are not, agreed.” So how do you confuse that there is no God? This is a confusion, how can you confuse these horrible people who profess God, with God. But if you come to the Western countries, there’s lots of confusion about everything. Like we had a priest, who came to see me, because he saw me in dreams with Christ, and that’s how he came to see me. Now, he was a priest so, one guy who was so interested in say Catholicism, he said: “Oh that’s great, you must talk to him”. And I went and asked him: “How are you here?” So he said: “Because I saw in dream Christ coming when Mataji was there and so I came.” It’s a very interesting story of this priest. So, after the program he gave him his address to Gregoire went to his house. So the priest says: “Umm, now I know why I am in there, because she’s telling me all wrong things.” He said: “What wrong thing is she telling you? See, you have got your liberation.” “Why should she tell us to lead a good life, a moral life and get married and be settled down? See she’s taken away our liberation.” She said: “ But that is abandonment, that’s not liberation. Christ has said not only that you should not have adultery but you should not have even adulterous eyes. Then what about Christ? You said you are the Christian and the priest. Then what about Christ?” He said: “No. In modern times Christ would have changed.” Just imagine the confusion about Christ is, how can truth compromised? Then- just to say compromised but truth cannot, Christ cannot. You may not like it but that’s the fact. That’s the truth. It doesn’t bother, whether you like it or not. It stands on its own support, but if you want to get the support you can come to the truth and get your self- (unclear). That’s the beauty and that’s the strength of truth. It doesn't depend on you or depend on anything else, but on itself. But truth is love and that’s why one has to tell people about it. But there’s nothing to be frightened of the truth but accept it, and then when you become the truth you are so beautiful inside. Inside there resides that spirit so beautiful which I can see so clearly, and that’s what we have to achieve, and not the other thing. That’s what we are seeking, that’s what we have to find out. And there’s a way out, there’s a method. It’s very simple, it has to work out. But as many people have the problem in the West I’ve seen that when they give them realization they go to another trick of rambling into their rationality and thinking about it: “How can it be, our Mother has said that all these vibrations are seen on the fingers and you can feel them and you can feel all your chakras.” They just can’t believe it, begin with, isn’t it? They start thinking about it, all of you have continued it, all right, doesn’t matter. But then again you come around and start seeing this truth. Everything is true whatever is said in all the scriptures which true. There is all pervading power which does all these miracles of the world. We cannot do anything. What can we do? We do not even know how to blossom a flower. What are we doing just making chair out of something dead drexy? (Mother laughing) Or at the most, we might make a map like this, that’s all. Or a building like this, what else can we do? All dead work we are doing morning till evening. There’s no living work we have done so far. But after realization, you start doing the real work. You can raise the kundalini, you can see the vibrations of the kundalini, you can see the pulsation of the kundalini, and the kundalini can rise under your fingers. This is all your own. Only your powers are to be manifested. I just turn the key for you and I also give you the key. It works. It has worked with so many. And it is going to work out everywhere. The trouble is, that every area has its own problems and we get very few people. And out of them very few turn up and settle down. But if I tell them that you have to stand on your head for fifteen days, then you have to go on a starvation diet for fifteen days, then for fifteen days you have to hang yourself (Shri Mataji laughing), they’ll do. But if you say you don’t have to do any such thing, you have to watch your vibrations and correct them, that’s a very difficult thing for them. It’s like, if you tell a child: “Now you keep quiet”, it’s a punishment. See, because he's so busy and jumpy all the time, that if you tell him to sit quiet, it’s a punishment. And that's what what happens that gradually they settle down. There’s so many who have settled down, and new people who are comfortable that, should also get it and should settle down. Now if you have any questions, please ask, because I’ve been lecturing and lecturing and lecturing. (Shri Mataji laughing). End of part 1. I think it’s better that you ask Me questions and I’ll be able to say something more about it. All right. Thank you. (Seeker asking a question, inaudible). Shri Mataji: A little louder. Seeker: Is it, is it so, raising a kundalini is it, is it just a form of yoga? Shri Mataji: Umm? Seeker: Is it just a form of yoga? Shri Mataji: Is it what did you say? Yogi: Raising a kundalini is it, is it just a form of yoga? Shri Mataji: One? Yogi: He said, is raising a kundalini just a, just a form of yoga? Shri Mataji: Form of (unclear)? Yogi: A form of yoga. Shri Mataji: Form of yoga. Oh, form of yoga, form. I heard umm.. (Shri Mataji laughing) You see today My vibrations are so much that I just can’t hear anything. Slowing on both the sides. All right. That is yoga. Yoga is union with God. It has two meanings. One, it means union, yoga. Yoga means union with God. The second is, the meaning is, what you call kaushalam, means you can say the depthness, or the kaushalam, the technique, technique. Firstly yoga means union. Sahaja Yoga is the yoga only. Rest of them are just to create that atmosphere, maybe. Because ultimately they come to a point where their kundalini is to be raised. Without kundalini there is no yoga. Like this instrument has got, where you have to put to the mains, there’s the only way is to put the chord into it. There’s no other way out, isn’it. Even if you put this way at the black, it won’t work out. You have to put it back into the black, the socket has to be used. In the same way, there is only one way, is to raise the kundalini, to be united with God, there is no other way out. Now, some of these yogas like you can say the hatha yoga now, the kind of hatha yoga people do is absolutely absurd. But whatever they did, this was Patanjali existed say about umm, I would say nine thousand years back. That time the situation of India was very different. Where we had a very different system of society. Where the children were sent to school under the guidance of the gurus who were realised souls. And some children were selected out of that for the yoga, means the union with God. Because everybody was not selected. And the- they were given kundalini raising. But before selecting them, they had to pass through various cleansing processes of, of a hatha yoga by which they removed their problems on the chakras and things like that. Now that’s nine thousand years back. Before Rama. Today it’s modern times. Now, at that time, of course at the time of Rama, you can say that they were vimanas, people used to go by airplane and all that. But afterwards people started going say to Kashi, they had to go to Banaras, they took three months. And they would sell their house, everything, as if they are now going now die, and never come back. You see (Shri Mataji laughing) they used to go in that fashion. But today if you have to go to Banaras, it takes hardly three hours from the place where I live. So the times have changed. And the same thing which used to take very slow process is now moving like a jet. For example when the tree is small, it’s started established itself, you might just get one flower. When it grows, gradually, it comes to a point when it’s a blossom time, you see thousands of flowers are there. So Sahaja Yoga is a thing where a flower becomes a fruit, when you get one with God. This is what Krishna has told you, that yogakshemam vahamyaham. He said, first of all you get your yoga. That’s what he said, you get your yoga first, throughout he said the same thing, but in a diplomatic way as people didn’t understand it. For example he said that you achieve your yoga in the first outset. He said that first of all you should have the Gyan. Gyan doesn’t mean reading in the library. But is that, your awareness must be enlightened. That’s only possible if you get your yoga. When you become one with God only your awareness will be enlightened and you’ll become collectively conscious. There’s no other way out. That’s what he said in the first, second chapter. I mean second chapter, because first chapter is the description of the war. The second chapter he said: “That’s what you have to get it”. Then, till Arjuna was a mediocre, you see, so he said: “But how do you say that I become a witness, I become one with God and then go for a war?” So he said: “all right?” Now Krishna being a diplomat, he talked very diplomatically, he was the incarnation of diplomacy. Because human beings are such foolish things. That you cannot go to them directly, you have to go in angular way. So he said an angular trick. It has worked in a way, because people are now understanding what he was saying. He said: “All right, you take to say, karma”. He said: “Now, whatever karmas you do, whatever things you do, put the fruit of that fruit, that karma, at the lotus feet of God.” But this is an absurd condition, you cannot do it. Because you have a ego and a superego in a very subtle way inside. Whatever work you are- you’ll do, though you may convince yourself: “Oh, I put it at the lotus feet of God.” That’s such (unclear) one. Unless and until you get realised, unless and until the things starts flowing through you that power, you always will say: “I have done it”. In a hearts of hearts. You may not say it out of humility. But once it happens, what do you say: “It’s going, it’s coming, it’s working.” Then you’ll see these people working on you, they will (unclear). Now supposing even somebody is my own daughter, I cannot say I can give her realisation. If it works, it will work, if it does not work, it will not work. Because it’s a living process. I raise the kundalini, all right. It may raise, it may not raise. It may not work out, I may not be able to give realisation to my own daughter, maybe able to give you. It’s your own. So then what you say? It is going, it is coming, it is working, you become a third person. Then, what you mean is this, that whatever you are doing is at the lotus feet of God. He does it. If it has to work out, it will work out, otherwise will not. This is another thing he said about bhakti, devotion and dedication. You see, lots of the human beings think that bhakti means, aa, going into a (unclear). Standing in the, in Oxford street and singing that Hare Rama Hare Krishna with all the dhotis falling out. That’s not the way the bhakti is. Such a ridiculous thing. (Shri Mataji laughing) Unbearably horrible people. But who can tell them, they are so mad, they are not (unclear) whatever may happen to them, even that selling in the market, that thing they keep it here with the - see they shave their heads and they get attached to that. I mean they market so ridiculous, artificial stuff. Imagine with this artificiality are they going to get God there? All the mad things are done in the name of bhakti, in this devotion dedication, some people just start singing songs of God and “ Oh, we really enjoying it”. Is nothing but manoranjan, means it’s just you are entertaining yourself by some sort of a madness. Krishna has said, you have to do bhakti, do ananya bhakti. See now the trick of the word is in ananya. Ananya means, when there is not the other. Means, when you have received your yoga. When you are become one with God. Before that what are you talking about? Say, the telephone is not connected, whom are you telephoning? You are not connected with what, whom are you calling? Supposing I have had no relationship with the queen, neither I know anyone, there’s no sort of.. (tape ends) (End of part 2) (Beginning unclear) Now I think they have been caught up very much and they found lot of, umm, umm, some sort of gun powder and things they found in their things and guns and all that in America and now they are very much under control. You see, because if you start working anything on falsehood, it will go to violence or it will go to a thought or it will go to some sort of very very immoral thing. That is the first thing. You see, everything that is living, you will see in that, it does not decay. It prospers the flowers. But whatever is not living, is dead, will decay, wasting, will go down. All these set organizations which are supposed to be working in the name of God, spirituality and emancipation and realization and everything. If they are not actually authorized and if they are not doing the real living work, they will all decay and you will find the results then. Most of them will be in the lunatic asylum or in the jail. There’s no other place for them. So, this so called yoga also the people are teaching, have no ideas to what is to be done. Now giving exercises, imagine, where is it written Patanjan Chatra that you give exercises to people? I mean Nobody reads Patanjali, you see, there are many western people who are written books of yoga. Now, only this part of it is taken, first of all is Ishvara Pranidhana means that you achieve your God. Then, there are chakras, which require a particular type of an exercise if you have a problem on a particular chakra, it’s a big (unclear). It’s just not a nonsense! Then you give somebody a mantra, one mantra from somewhere you get it. How can you work it out? See, it is a big science. You must know about all your centers that are within you, you must know there is your problem and what is to be done, how to eradicate it, you must know about others' problems also. It’s a big science of Divine love. You must know the laws of divinity. They have statutes which was to establish within you, in the society, and you should feel them. It’s not a joke. It’s not a cheap thing. And that’s why all these people who are making, minting money all this nonsense that they are giving to people. It’s very absurd! Alright, if they want to make money, they can do, they can smuggle, they can do anything they like. Doesn’t matter. But they should not take the name of God. That’s sinful. That’s extremely sinful. And that’s what they are doing today. Some of then- them are also not aware of it. I think that they are not at all aware that they are doing a wrong thing, they are doing unauthorized thing. For example, you stand on the street like a policeman, and start showing hands - you will be arrested or not. You must have the authority to be a policeman. What is the authority these people have got from God to do all this work. That’s what one has to find out. First of all you get your yoga. You get your union with God. Once you have achieved that, then the light will be within you. If there is no light in this room, how can I talk to you, how can you understand anything? But if there is light you understand everything. In the same way, let the light be within you. All right? And to get that enlightenment, means, Sahaja. Sahaja. “Saha” means with, “ja” means born. It is born within. But actually today the Sahaja Yoga has reached the stage of maha yoga. Because that is what is said that, in Kaliyuga it will become a maha yog. Thousands and thousands of people will be getting realization. This work was done since ancient times, even Rama’s time was Raja Janaka who did this work. But for a very very small level, only had one disciple, and done very secretly. But the time has come now so we have to built absolute openly. In the sixth century, when Shankaracharya came in, he talked about it very openly. Christ has talked about it, that you are to be born again. In every religion it is said that you have to born again. There’s no religion which has not said it. If, if it has not said it, it is not religion, it’s a farce. But any- anyone, who has said, that you have to be born again, has said the truth. Kahlil Gibran, you can take, anyone, like Socrates. You can take someone from say, hmm, Lao Tse, or him, anyone of them! They all say that (unclear) you have to be a kashyapa, meaning is different, you have to be a kashyapa. They said there were only twenty-six kashyapas in six centuries. They said, umm, in, in the, in Koran, it is so called, that you have to be Peer. Peer. They call it p-e-e-r, peer. You have to be a peer. It’s all written in all of these books! But we are just depending on the rituals. Now, we have a muslim gentleman here, with us. Before this he used to just do namaz, he did not know what was namaz. That namaz is nothing but kundalini awakening. But not by the people who do not know about it, it is by the people who are realized. It’s for the kundalini (unclear). Now, when he does the namaz, he knows what it is, how great is namaz. Or how great is our Lords Prayer, is how we use Lord’s Prayer for our agnya chakra, it’s a mantra. But all these things have to be discovered, only when you have light, you have eyes. So, this is the one, which is the culminating point of all the so called yogas, which are just meant for clearing out. For example raj yoga is all another absurd thing. Raj yoga is a, a thing that happens within, when the kundalini raises, all these things happen. And that is that taken outside like moola bandha and all that. They must happen inside, when the kundalini raises, she does, she go into these, umm, different postures of the chakras, by which the kundalini has kept the flow, and they want to do it outside from outside. It will be something like sitting in the car and thinking that you are driving. You have to start the car, isn’t it? It’s all artificial, everything is artificial. There’s no reality. That’s why they have achieved nothing, none of them have achieved any realization, on the contrary those who have been to this kriya yog, have been very difficult people for realization. Extremely difficult! I would say, very few have got realization out of that kriya yog business. Very very few. So far. That’s another horrible thing they do, they take out the tongue, cut it here and put it back to do the kitcher. An absurd! And all the time they, they cannot now the, because the tongue is cut, it’s always bad tongue, and I’ve seen in that horrid condition. Permanently, for their life time they are like that. It’s very dangerous. (unclear) be that they are all seekers, and they’re saints. They are real seekers, they are not just rational people, just not, umm, useless thinkers. But they are real seekers, and they have been made into such horrible things, like cutting their tongue and, how I must have feeling like a mother, you tell me. They’ve done all kinds of harm, every type of harm has been done, no doubt. But it is for you to decide, it is for you to understand, and to- for you to receive. Because we are really placed in a situation, though it’s a blossom time and all that. But so many negative forces have been let loose. Satanic forces are around us, we have to be very very careful. You have to understand it. It’s a very very serious and precarious atmosphere. No doubt about it. The more I know, the more I’m ready, worried, though I mean there are so many people now. And I mean, so many people have got transformation, despite all their mistakes and a- but still there are some type, which we cannot still handle. Very difficult. (sound of door opening) Yes, come along, Steve, come here. (End of part 3). So, should we work it out? Let’s put hand just like that. And put both the feet on the ground like that. You have to be in the receptive mode, that’s the only thing is, umm. you have to be in the receptive mode. It works, it’s wonderful, it’s wonderful you don’t know. Wait, it’s not on material level that you gain, you gain your good health and everything. But you get your spirit. Just put your hands like that. And close your eyes. Close your eyes. Just keep them closed for a while, because when the kundalini passes the agnya, she- she dilates the pupils, you see, that’s the problem. Today vibrations are very strong. A man speaking: Could the window be closed because it’s too much noise of the traffic? Shri Mataji: I think would be good idea, yes. Thank you very much, that’s a good idea. Man speaking: I want to listen to everything you’ll say, I cannot hear with all the noise in echo the road. Shri Mataji: You want to sue that is London. (Shri Mataji laughing) He lives so far away from the city, isn’t it. Hmm. (Window Closes) Man speaking: Thank you. Please put your hands like this and close your eyes. That’s all. It will work out. Just put your hands like this and both the feet on the ground and sit comforta- are you feeling the cool breeze? Keep your eyes shut for a while. Just. It’s a subtle thing, you know, it’s very subtle, and our attention is gross. It has to work out. Allow it to work out. First of all, the kundalini when it crosses the agnya, that is where are this red mark. Then you will find that you - there will be no thought in your mind. You just watch your thoughts. Suddenly you’ll find there’s no thought, but you are aware. You will be aware of it. From inside you’ll have no thoughts. You’ll listen to me, you’ll hear me, but there will be no thought at all. That’s called as Nirvichar Samadhi. It’s a thoughtless awareness. Thoughtless, enlightened awareness. (3.57) Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Keep your eyes shut. Absolutely, fully shut. It will work out. Douglas. First thing you must do is to forgive. What’s very important is to forgive everyone. Please forgive. All the people who you think have given you trouble or in any way harmed you or you are embedded by them. Just forgive. Please forgive. Left to the right. Right to the left. Douglas, left to the right. Left to the right. Right to the left. Yea, yea, yea. See now who, is it better? Heart. (A man comments something). Shri Mataji: Give it a bandhan. At the back. But please don’t feel guilty about things you think you might have done wrong. Because there’s nothing like guilt in the eyes of God, who is the ocean of love. So just say in your heart, that I’m not guilty, Mother. Just say. You are not guilty of anything. That’s a very wrong way of looking at things. Now it goes to the right. It (unclear) the left. Oh. Lift it high. Just say I’m not guilty. It will work out. Or do not think anymore. Here. Left Vissudhi. Better? Left. Huh? What do you say? Show the finger. A Yogi: Vissudhi. Shri Mataji: Which one? Yogi: Right (unclear). Shri Mataji: Left? Yogi: Right. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Right Vissudhi. Yogi: Now is more on the left, Mother. (unclear) Shri Mataji: Just the other gentleman was sitting there. Come along. You work on him. Left another one sitting at the back. Is it Doug? You work on Doug. It’s heart. Ask him to put his right hand on the heart. Is better? Yogi: (unclear) Shri Mataji: Left Nabhi. All right. It will work out. He’s all right. He’s got it. He’s got it. He’s got it. She has to. He’s alright. Left Nabhi. Work on him. He’s got it. Isn’t it? Just see. Raise it higher. Raise it. You also like- you feel, you also raise. Both of you together raise it. He’s all right, I think, but just watch his vibrations. All right. He’s all right. (unclear) (Shri Mataji laughing). That’s gone now. That’s all over, thank God. Thank God for that, really. It’s very good. Are you getting the cool breeze? Good. Good. Stay in a bandhan. It’s hot. Just watch me all right? Just watch me for a while. Then put your hands like this. Right. Again. Open it now. Open it. Again you do it. Please open it again. Again, once more. (clapping sound). Done. Sta- stain is on the eyes. What does she study? She study very hard I believe. Eyes are very think, that’s why. Left, cool. Very clear. Right. Now put to the left, let’s see. Are you all right? (unclear) also. Better? (17.32) Man: (Unclear). Shri Mataji: Hmm. Hold it. He’s all right. Are you getting the cool breeze? Man: Is it cool breeze? (unclear, a man and a woman talking) Shri Mataji: Mmm? Man: (Unclear) left Swadishthan - (unclear). Shri Mataji: Mmm. Daisy work on Doug. Doug, keep your collar on one side, you see. Put your hand, feet, straight. Sit straight. Raise your right to the left. Right to the left. Mmm. Put your right hand on the heart. How are you going to settle down? Mark, can you work on her? Right to the left. Do right. Raise the right, put down her left. Work it. Again is coming, at the hip. Is it coming or (calming?). Little bit. Put your right hand like this, right hand like this, yea. Keep your eyes open. Keep it open, don’t close it. (Unclear). Today. They haven’t got it. You should bring her again I think would be a good idea. Huh, what about her? A yogi: (Unclear) nabhi. Shri Mataji: Nabhi? Left? Yogi: Very warm left. Shri Mataji: Warm left. Ask her to put her right hand on her nabhi. Is it better? How is he? (Unclear). Say the mantra. Will work out. Someone talking: (unclear) Shri Mataji: Huh? Fight? Someone talking: (unclear) Shri Mataji: Let’s see.(Shri Mataji laughing). I’m already on. (Shri Mataji laughing).	null	null	null	1980-07-25 Where Is the Kingdom of God? Today a very interesting visitor came to see me and he looked rather worried, and he has been in some sort of a course thing, which he has been doing for the last six and a half years and he has not retrieved any results out of it. And on the contrary feeling quite confused, sick and unhappy about it. So then he asked me a question, that: “Christ had promised that he will lead us into the kingdom of God, and what is it Mother, are we going anywhere near the kingdom of God?” I said: "That’s what I’m saying, that’s what I’m talking about! But you want to join a course because you want to fly? Or you want to join a course because you are enamored by some guru or somebody? There is no fair charges to enter into a kingdom of God. You cannot pay for it. All these absurd ideas I don’t know from when you started accumulating that you can pay for your God, you can pay for specialty, you can pay for becoming the citizen of God’s kingdom. It is absolutely absurd! I mean it’s absolutely stupid! For how you got these ideas and how you accepted them is beyond." And experiencing. I said, experiencing you are talking about. Experiencing, you can be an experienced by going to a pub. You can get an experience if you feel very happy if you take- I don’t know, I have never tested but, they say so that feels very happy, otherwise they will not go there. So you can feel happy going to a pub, you can be happy doing something like that for the time being, all right. But there’s no transformation within, there’s no living process has started. It is like a seed, if you put it in the proper conditions into the mother earth, you see that it starts transforming into something new. Something starts manifesting through it. Unless and until that happens, why should you be satisfied with nonsensical things like the transformation. That is the first thought that one must know that you have to be transformed. Christ has said that you have to be born again, what about that? What’s happy about that? Nobody’s bothered, nobody finished about it. Even in the churches if you go they never talk about it. And as a result people are now against churches, I feel rightly, because they think that going to the church, confess- confessions and all that, when did Christ talk about it? All these (unclear). (3.21) Are they going to give us that transformation? Now, our forefathers were doing it, their forefathers were doing it, we have been doing it for thousands of years. And where are we today? In the greatest confusion. So something has to happen within us, some happening has to take place, and that’s the transformation must start to work. This is the minimum of minimum, once you know that if you are entering into the Kingdom of God, some transformation must be placed! For example when you go from India to London, you must change your dress, you have to have a overcoat and you have to have many other things. For a very superficial level you can see that. But on the deeper, the spiritual level, the transformation is from within. All your priorities change, all your sense of securities are established, you become a different person! And I said that, why did you go for this? (unclear) attracted. (4.28) Because there’s a more people, there should be no reason that when there are more people then maybe somehow (unclear) about it. Because normally people are attracted toward some sort of a drug. See now in instance so many people have come here. Four or five, at the most. But if there was a guru coming, you would need a balloon, you would need a bandan, and later on they find out that the guru was living a very bad life, he was a parasite on the society, he was drinking whisky and he had high (unclear) (4.58). But for Sahaja Yoga you’ll always find less people coming, because this is the truth. But one should know about, truth is not to be judged by how many people follow, even if there’s half a person, it is true! Truth can guide self. If Christ was crucified that doesn’t mean that he was not the truth! He was! Though he was crucified and nobody could support it, nobody could (unclear) about it. But truth remains as it is. By your coming to it, truth is not, in anyway, enamoured or in any way decorated or promoted. It is you who realize everything. It is you who see something out of it. It is you feel the bounty as a bliss of it. To think, that when the others will go, then we’ll follow, is another way of a coward. You have to come to close as soon as possible. Because the time has come for all of you to get your realization. This is what you are seeking, simple thing as that! As simple as that, that you are seeking your realization, you are seeking your absolute. You are seeking your wholesomeness, and here it is you are going to to get it, it’s that simple. But now I must put it in a sugar coated ice-cream, and should tell you in a very round-a-bout way. It’s very simple for me because it is within you, it’s all there, yet what I do, is what Mother earth does to a seed. It sprouts by itself, it works by itself, you manifest by yourself. That wants of the Mother Earth I do give you, that’s all. And what did we give to the Mother Earth? We don’t even feel obliged, we should not, that’s her job, it has to be. So if I’m doing anything for you, there’s nothing to feel obliged about it, no way, that’s my job, I’m here for that. For one thing once I don’t understand. How can you pay for starting a seed? What can you do about it? Nothing. Only the Mother Earth can do it, she will do it. In the same way, it is such a living process, Sahaja Yoga, that you just have to do nothing. If you try to do something, there will be a problem. But once you get it, that’s the beauty of Sahaja Yoga, once you get it then you can do it for others. Once you know how to swim, you become the master. Then you can save many people. But when you don’t know how to swim, how can you save others? It’s that simple! It is all within you, the light is within you, only it needs to be enlightened, finished. There’s nothing much, nothing less. It’s a very simple thing. For we take so many things for granted, like transformation of a flower into a seed. We take it for granted. Do we think about it, how it happened, how it works out? We just take it for granted. In the same way we have taken for granted our evolution up to this point. And if anything has to happen further also, it has to be the same way. There is a little different. Because so far till the human being came up to assert themselves as human beings. The animals didn’t have this freedom as human beings have. That’s why you’ll find, you must be the (unclear) idiotic, never stupid. (9.03) Never stupid. Have you seen any person, any, any animal who is stupid? Either you’ll be mad but he won’t be stupid. He can be idiotic or stupid and we have been! Because when the human beings have got the ego, and this ego means you’re that stupid. While the animals don’t have any ego so they don’t fall into these traps of stupidity. We only the human beings are quite capable of doing lots of stupid things. Like I heard, that in America they now have a big Disneyland as far as past is concerned. I don’t know how you can make him into a Disneyland, it is sickening somehow. They have built a very big organization, a big (unclear) is there and tried to convey there! Most surprising! How do you (unclear), but they have done it. (9.55) So this is what it is. Human being are so stupid and can be so very stupid, that it is impossible to tell them that you are stupid. If you tell them that they beat you hard, they’ll beat you. Only the human beings can do that, animals cannot, because you have your freedom. And only the human beings can do one more thing, which is the greatest depth. If they are not stupid, they can do another thing, that is to achieve their realization. That is to know, that within them resides the spirit. Only human beings, not animals. It is there in their own awareness, in human awareness can know that they have found the truth. This is only done when you are a human. So how great is the image of a human being compared to all other animals, but when he doesn’t understand, his own esteem, he has no self-esteem, then he can be very stupid. He can only absolutely a foolish man or he could be the wisest of all. He can rise to the highest, if he takes to the right course, or he can stood down to a monstrous flower, if he doesn’t want to. Because he has freedom to move into any, any dimension, and he does that. Now, it is for you to ask for your realization. It is for you to seek your realization and the truth. If you ask for it you’ll get it. If you ask for stupidity, you’ll get your stupidity. Whatever you ask is available. Is on a platter. While you have to decide what you want to have. Once you decide that’s how it is. Human beings have been given freedom, you have heard that Adam and Eve were given freedom. You’re given freedom once for all. Now, it cannot be taken back. Many people say: “Then Mother, why doesn’t God control all these wrong type of people?” What can you do? Most of your problems are human created. Human beings have created the problems God has created no problems! Now it is your freedom, whether it is a collective problem, or is a personal problem or an individual problem or social problem, economic, political, any problem it is, it is all created by human beings. So if it is created by human beings, then it is to be solved by human beings. But as they are, they cannot solve it. Because they have not found out their source of energy. They are not found out their absolute. You’re on a relative plate. Anything so relative, so relative in this- these modern times called as Ghor Kali Yoga. That we are nothing but bundle of confusion. Anything you take, for example you go to Russia, you find the people there quite confused about many things. Like they said, that: “How can you believe in a God, which looks after such horrible parasites like these Orthodox bhoot people who are living here. They don’t do any work, they wear those black dresses, and do not do any work, just sit at home and have a nice time. They drink and they have all bad qualities and everything they have. And how do you call that they are Godly people?” I said: “All right, they are not, agreed.” So how do you confuse that there is no God? This is a confusion, how can you confuse these horrible people who profess God, with God. But if you come to the Western countries, there’s lots of confusion about everything. Like we had a priest, who came to see me, because he saw me in dreams with Christ, and that’s how he came to see me. Now, he was a priest so, one guy who was so interested in say Catholicism, he said: “Oh that’s great, you must talk to him”. And I went and asked him: “How are you here?” So he said: “Because I saw in dream Christ coming when Mataji was there and so I came.” It’s a very interesting story of this priest. So, after the program he gave him his address to Gregoire went to his house. So the priest says: “Umm, now I know why I am in there, because she’s telling me all wrong things.” He said: “What wrong thing is she telling you? See, you have got your liberation.” “Why should she tell us to lead a good life, a moral life and get married and be settled down? See she’s taken away our liberation.” She said: “ But that is abandonment, that’s not liberation. Christ has said not only that you should not have adultery but you should not have even adulterous eyes. Then what about Christ? You said you are the Christian and the priest. Then what about Christ?” He said: “No. In modern times Christ would have changed.” Just imagine the confusion about Christ is, how can truth compromised? Then- just to say compromised but truth cannot, Christ cannot. You may not like it but that’s the fact. That’s the truth. It doesn’t bother, whether you like it or not. It stands on its own support, but if you want to get the support you can come to the truth and get your self- (unclear). That’s the beauty and that’s the strength of truth. It doesn't depend on you or depend on anything else, but on itself. But truth is love and that’s why one has to tell people about it. But there’s nothing to be frightened of the truth but accept it, and then when you become the truth you are so beautiful inside. Inside there resides that spirit so beautiful which I can see so clearly, and that’s what we have to achieve, and not the other thing. That’s what we are seeking, that’s what we have to find out. And there’s a way out, there’s a method. It’s very simple, it has to work out. But as many people have the problem in the West I’ve seen that when they give them realization they go to another trick of rambling into their rationality and thinking about it: “How can it be, our Mother has said that all these vibrations are seen on the fingers and you can feel them and you can feel all your chakras.” They just can’t believe it, begin with, isn’t it? They start thinking about it, all of you have continued it, all right, doesn’t matter. But then again you come around and start seeing this truth. Everything is true whatever is said in all the scriptures which true. There is all pervading power which does all these miracles of the world. We cannot do anything. What can we do? We do not even know how to blossom a flower. What are we doing just making chair out of something dead drexy? (Mother laughing) Or at the most, we might make a map like this, that’s all. Or a building like this, what else can we do? All dead work we are doing morning till evening. There’s no living work we have done so far. But after realization, you start doing the real work. You can raise the kundalini, you can see the vibrations of the kundalini, you can see the pulsation of the kundalini, and the kundalini can rise under your fingers. This is all your own. Only your powers are to be manifested. I just turn the key for you and I also give you the key. It works. It has worked with so many. And it is going to work out everywhere. The trouble is, that every area has its own problems and we get very few people. And out of them very few turn up and settle down. But if I tell them that you have to stand on your head for fifteen days, then you have to go on a starvation diet for fifteen days, then for fifteen days you have to hang yourself (Shri Mataji laughing), they’ll do. But if you say you don’t have to do any such thing, you have to watch your vibrations and correct them, that’s a very difficult thing for them. It’s like, if you tell a child: “Now you keep quiet”, it’s a punishment. See, because he's so busy and jumpy all the time, that if you tell him to sit quiet, it’s a punishment. And that's what what happens that gradually they settle down. There’s so many who have settled down, and new people who are comfortable that, should also get it and should settle down. Now if you have any questions, please ask, because I’ve been lecturing and lecturing and lecturing. (Shri Mataji laughing). End of part 1. I think it’s better that you ask Me questions and I’ll be able to say something more about it. All right. Thank you. (Seeker asking a question, inaudible). Shri Mataji: A little louder. Seeker: Is it, is it so, raising a kundalini is it, is it just a form of yoga? Shri Mataji: Umm? Seeker: Is it just a form of yoga? Shri Mataji: Is it what did you say? Yogi: Raising a kundalini is it, is it just a form of yoga? Shri Mataji: One? Yogi: He said, is raising a kundalini just a, just a form of yoga? Shri Mataji: Form of (unclear)? Yogi: A form of yoga. Shri Mataji: Form of yoga. Oh, form of yoga, form. I heard umm.. (Shri Mataji laughing) You see today My vibrations are so much that I just can’t hear anything. Slowing on both the sides. All right. That is yoga. Yoga is union with God. It has two meanings. One, it means union, yoga. Yoga means union with God. The second is, the meaning is, what you call kaushalam, means you can say the depthness, or the kaushalam, the technique, technique. Firstly yoga means union. Sahaja Yoga is the yoga only. Rest of them are just to create that atmosphere, maybe. Because ultimately they come to a point where their kundalini is to be raised. Without kundalini there is no yoga. Like this instrument has got, where you have to put to the mains, there’s the only way is to put the chord into it. There’s no other way out, isn’it. Even if you put this way at the black, it won’t work out. You have to put it back into the black, the socket has to be used. In the same way, there is only one way, is to raise the kundalini, to be united with God, there is no other way out. Now, some of these yogas like you can say the hatha yoga now, the kind of hatha yoga people do is absolutely absurd. But whatever they did, this was Patanjali existed say about umm, I would say nine thousand years back. That time the situation of India was very different. Where we had a very different system of society. Where the children were sent to school under the guidance of the gurus who were realised souls. And some children were selected out of that for the yoga, means the union with God. Because everybody was not selected. And the- they were given kundalini raising. But before selecting them, they had to pass through various cleansing processes of, of a hatha yoga by which they removed their problems on the chakras and things like that. Now that’s nine thousand years back. Before Rama. Today it’s modern times. Now, at that time, of course at the time of Rama, you can say that they were vimanas, people used to go by airplane and all that. But afterwards people started going say to Kashi, they had to go to Banaras, they took three months. And they would sell their house, everything, as if they are now going now die, and never come back. You see (Shri Mataji laughing) they used to go in that fashion. But today if you have to go to Banaras, it takes hardly three hours from the place where I live. So the times have changed. And the same thing which used to take very slow process is now moving like a jet. For example when the tree is small, it’s started established itself, you might just get one flower. When it grows, gradually, it comes to a point when it’s a blossom time, you see thousands of flowers are there. So Sahaja Yoga is a thing where a flower becomes a fruit, when you get one with God. This is what Krishna has told you, that yogakshemam vahamyaham. He said, first of all you get your yoga. That’s what he said, you get your yoga first, throughout he said the same thing, but in a diplomatic way as people didn’t understand it. For example he said that you achieve your yoga in the first outset. He said that first of all you should have the Gyan. Gyan doesn’t mean reading in the library. But is that, your awareness must be enlightened. That’s only possible if you get your yoga. When you become one with God only your awareness will be enlightened and you’ll become collectively conscious. There’s no other way out. That’s what he said in the first, second chapter. I mean second chapter, because first chapter is the description of the war. The second chapter he said: “That’s what you have to get it”. Then, till Arjuna was a mediocre, you see, so he said: “But how do you say that I become a witness, I become one with God and then go for a war?” So he said: “all right?” Now Krishna being a diplomat, he talked very diplomatically, he was the incarnation of diplomacy. Because human beings are such foolish things. That you cannot go to them directly, you have to go in angular way. So he said an angular trick. It has worked in a way, because people are now understanding what he was saying. He said: “All right, you take to say, karma”. He said: “Now, whatever karmas you do, whatever things you do, put the fruit of that fruit, that karma, at the lotus feet of God.” But this is an absurd condition, you cannot do it. Because you have a ego and a superego in a very subtle way inside. Whatever work you are- you’ll do, though you may convince yourself: “Oh, I put it at the lotus feet of God.” That’s such (unclear) one. Unless and until you get realised, unless and until the things starts flowing through you that power, you always will say: “I have done it”. In a hearts of hearts. You may not say it out of humility. But once it happens, what do you say: “It’s going, it’s coming, it’s working.” Then you’ll see these people working on you, they will (unclear). Now supposing even somebody is my own daughter, I cannot say I can give her realisation. If it works, it will work, if it does not work, it will not work. Because it’s a living process. I raise the kundalini, all right. It may raise, it may not raise. It may not work out, I may not be able to give realisation to my own daughter, maybe able to give you. It’s your own. So then what you say? It is going, it is coming, it is working, you become a third person. Then, what you mean is this, that whatever you are doing is at the lotus feet of God. He does it. If it has to work out, it will work out, otherwise will not. This is another thing he said about bhakti, devotion and dedication. You see, lots of the human beings think that bhakti means, aa, going into a (unclear). Standing in the, in Oxford street and singing that Hare Rama Hare Krishna with all the dhotis falling out. That’s not the way the bhakti is. Such a ridiculous thing. (Shri Mataji laughing) Unbearably horrible people. But who can tell them, they are so mad, they are not (unclear) whatever may happen to them, even that selling in the market, that thing they keep it here with the - see they shave their heads and they get attached to that. I mean they market so ridiculous, artificial stuff. Imagine with this artificiality are they going to get God there? All the mad things are done in the name of bhakti, in this devotion dedication, some people just start singing songs of God and “ Oh, we really enjoying it”. Is nothing but manoranjan, means it’s just you are entertaining yourself by some sort of a madness. Krishna has said, you have to do bhakti, do ananya bhakti. See now the trick of the word is in ananya. Ananya means, when there is not the other. Means, when you have received your yoga. When you are become one with God. Before that what are you talking about? Say, the telephone is not connected, whom are you telephoning? You are not connected with what, whom are you calling? Supposing I have had no relationship with the queen, neither I know anyone, there’s no sort of.. (tape ends) (End of part 2) (Beginning unclear) Now I think they have been caught up very much and they found lot of, umm, umm, some sort of gun powder and things they found in their things and guns and all that in America and now they are very much under control. You see, because if you start working anything on falsehood, it will go to violence or it will go to a thought or it will go to some sort of very very immoral thing. That is the first thing. You see, everything that is living, you will see in that, it does not decay. It prospers the flowers. But whatever is not living, is dead, will decay, wasting, will go down. All these set organizations which are supposed to be working in the name of God, spirituality and emancipation and realization and everything. If they are not actually authorized and if they are not doing the real living work, they will all decay and you will find the results then. Most of them will be in the lunatic asylum or in the jail. There’s no other place for them. So, this so called yoga also the people are teaching, have no ideas to what is to be done. Now giving exercises, imagine, where is it written Patanjan Chatra that you give exercises to people? I mean Nobody reads Patanjali, you see, there are many western people who are written books of yoga. Now, only this part of it is taken, first of all is Ishvara Pranidhana means that you achieve your God. Then, there are chakras, which require a particular type of an exercise if you have a problem on a particular chakra, it’s a big (unclear). It’s just not a nonsense! Then you give somebody a mantra, one mantra from somewhere you get it. How can you work it out? See, it is a big science. You must know about all your centers that are within you, you must know there is your problem and what is to be done, how to eradicate it, you must know about others' problems also. It’s a big science of Divine love. You must know the laws of divinity. They have statutes which was to establish within you, in the society, and you should feel them. It’s not a joke. It’s not a cheap thing. And that’s why all these people who are making, minting money all this nonsense that they are giving to people. It’s very absurd! Alright, if they want to make money, they can do, they can smuggle, they can do anything they like. Doesn’t matter. But they should not take the name of God. That’s sinful. That’s extremely sinful. And that’s what they are doing today. Some of then- them are also not aware of it. I think that they are not at all aware that they are doing a wrong thing, they are doing unauthorized thing. For example, you stand on the street like a policeman, and start showing hands - you will be arrested or not. You must have the authority to be a policeman. What is the authority these people have got from God to do all this work. That’s what one has to find out. First of all you get your yoga. You get your union with God. Once you have achieved that, then the light will be within you. If there is no light in this room, how can I talk to you, how can you understand anything? But if there is light you understand everything. In the same way, let the light be within you. All right? And to get that enlightenment, means, Sahaja. Sahaja. “Saha” means with, “ja” means born. It is born within. But actually today the Sahaja Yoga has reached the stage of maha yoga. Because that is what is said that, in Kaliyuga it will become a maha yog. Thousands and thousands of people will be getting realization. This work was done since ancient times, even Rama’s time was Raja Janaka who did this work. But for a very very small level, only had one disciple, and done very secretly. But the time has come now so we have to built absolute openly. In the sixth century, when Shankaracharya came in, he talked about it very openly. Christ has talked about it, that you are to be born again. In every religion it is said that you have to born again. There’s no religion which has not said it. If, if it has not said it, it is not religion, it’s a farce. But any- anyone, who has said, that you have to be born again, has said the truth. Kahlil Gibran, you can take, anyone, like Socrates. You can take someone from say, hmm, Lao Tse, or him, anyone of them! They all say that (unclear) you have to be a kashyapa, meaning is different, you have to be a kashyapa. They said there were only twenty-six kashyapas in six centuries. They said, umm, in, in the, in Koran, it is so called, that you have to be Peer. Peer. They call it p-e-e-r, peer. You have to be a peer. It’s all written in all of these books! But we are just depending on the rituals. Now, we have a muslim gentleman here, with us. Before this he used to just do namaz, he did not know what was namaz. That namaz is nothing but kundalini awakening. But not by the people who do not know about it, it is by the people who are realized. It’s for the kundalini (unclear). Now, when he does the namaz, he knows what it is, how great is namaz. Or how great is our Lords Prayer, is how we use Lord’s Prayer for our agnya chakra, it’s a mantra. But all these things have to be discovered, only when you have light, you have eyes. So, this is the one, which is the culminating point of all the so called yogas, which are just meant for clearing out. For example raj yoga is all another absurd thing. Raj yoga is a, a thing that happens within, when the kundalini raises, all these things happen. And that is that taken outside like moola bandha and all that. They must happen inside, when the kundalini raises, she does, she go into these, umm, different postures of the chakras, by which the kundalini has kept the flow, and they want to do it outside from outside. It will be something like sitting in the car and thinking that you are driving. You have to start the car, isn’t it? It’s all artificial, everything is artificial. There’s no reality. That’s why they have achieved nothing, none of them have achieved any realization, on the contrary those who have been to this kriya yog, have been very difficult people for realization. Extremely difficult! I would say, very few have got realization out of that kriya yog business. Very very few. So far. That’s another horrible thing they do, they take out the tongue, cut it here and put it back to do the kitcher. An absurd! And all the time they, they cannot now the, because the tongue is cut, it’s always bad tongue, and I’ve seen in that horrid condition. Permanently, for their life time they are like that. It’s very dangerous. (unclear) be that they are all seekers, and they’re saints. They are real seekers, they are not just rational people, just not, umm, useless thinkers. But they are real seekers, and they have been made into such horrible things, like cutting their tongue and, how I must have feeling like a mother, you tell me. They’ve done all kinds of harm, every type of harm has been done, no doubt. But it is for you to decide, it is for you to understand, and to- for you to receive. Because we are really placed in a situation, though it’s a blossom time and all that. But so many negative forces have been let loose. Satanic forces are around us, we have to be very very careful. You have to understand it. It’s a very very serious and precarious atmosphere. No doubt about it. The more I know, the more I’m ready, worried, though I mean there are so many people now. And I mean, so many people have got transformation, despite all their mistakes and a- but still there are some type, which we cannot still handle. Very difficult. (sound of door opening) Yes, come along, Steve, come here. (End of part 3). So, should we work it out? Let’s put hand just like that. And put both the feet on the ground like that. You have to be in the receptive mode, that’s the only thing is, umm. you have to be in the receptive mode. It works, it’s wonderful, it’s wonderful you don’t know. Wait, it’s not on material level that you gain, you gain your good health and everything. But you get your spirit. Just put your hands like that. And close your eyes. Close your eyes. Just keep them closed for a while, because when the kundalini passes the agnya, she- she dilates the pupils, you see, that’s the problem. Today vibrations are very strong. A man speaking: Could the window be closed because it’s too much noise of the traffic? Shri Mataji: I think would be good idea, yes. Thank you very much, that’s a good idea. Man speaking: I want to listen to everything you’ll say, I cannot hear with all the noise in echo the road. Shri Mataji: You want to sue that is London. (Shri Mataji laughing) He lives so far away from the city, isn’t it. Hmm. (Window Closes) Man speaking: Thank you. Please put your hands like this and close your eyes. That’s all. It will work out. Just put your hands like this and both the feet on the ground and sit comforta- are you feeling the cool breeze? Keep your eyes shut for a while. Just. It’s a subtle thing, you know, it’s very subtle, and our attention is gross. It has to work out. Allow it to work out. First of all, the kundalini when it crosses the agnya, that is where are this red mark. Then you will find that you - there will be no thought in your mind. You just watch your thoughts. Suddenly you’ll find there’s no thought, but you are aware. You will be aware of it. From inside you’ll have no thoughts. You’ll listen to me, you’ll hear me, but there will be no thought at all. That’s called as Nirvichar Samadhi. It’s a thoughtless awareness. Thoughtless, enlightened awareness. (3.57) Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Keep your eyes shut. Absolutely, fully shut. It will work out. Douglas. First thing you must do is to forgive. What’s very important is to forgive everyone. Please forgive. All the people who you think have given you trouble or in any way harmed you or you are embedded by them. Just forgive. Please forgive. Left to the right. Right to the left. Douglas, left to the right. Left to the right. Right to the left. Yea, yea, yea. See now who, is it better? Heart. (A man comments something). Shri Mataji: Give it a bandhan. At the back. But please don’t feel guilty about things you think you might have done wrong. Because there’s nothing like guilt in the eyes of God, who is the ocean of love. So just say in your heart, that I’m not guilty, Mother. Just say. You are not guilty of anything. That’s a very wrong way of looking at things. Now it goes to the right. It (unclear) the left. Oh. Lift it high. Just say I’m not guilty. It will work out. Or do not think anymore. Here. Left Vissudhi. Better? Left. Huh? What do you say? Show the finger. A Yogi: Vissudhi. Shri Mataji: Which one? Yogi: Right (unclear). Shri Mataji: Left? Yogi: Right. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Right Vissudhi. Yogi: Now is more on the left, Mother. (unclear) Shri Mataji: Just the other gentleman was sitting there. Come along. You work on him. Left another one sitting at the back. Is it Doug? You work on Doug. It’s heart. Ask him to put his right hand on the heart. Is better? Yogi: (unclear) Shri Mataji: Left Nabhi. All right. It will work out. He’s all right. He’s got it. He’s got it. He’s got it. She has to. He’s alright. Left Nabhi. Work on him. He’s got it. Isn’t it? Just see. Raise it higher. Raise it. You also like- you feel, you also raise. Both of you together raise it. He’s all right, I think, but just watch his vibrations. All right. He’s all right. (unclear) (Shri Mataji laughing). That’s gone now. That’s all over, thank God. Thank God for that, really. It’s very good. Are you getting the cool breeze? Good. Good. Stay in a bandhan. It’s hot. Just watch me all right? Just watch me for a while. Then put your hands like this. Right. Again. Open it now. Open it. Again you do it. Please open it again. Again, once more. (clapping sound). Done. Sta- stain is on the eyes. What does she study? She study very hard I believe. Eyes are very think, that’s why. Left, cool. Very clear. Right. Now put to the left, let’s see. Are you all right? (unclear) also. Better? (17.32) Man: (Unclear). Shri Mataji: Hmm. Hold it. He’s all right. Are you getting the cool breeze? Man: Is it cool breeze? (unclear, a man and a woman talking) Shri Mataji: Mmm? Man: (Unclear) left Swadishthan - (unclear). Shri Mataji: Mmm. Daisy work on Doug. Doug, keep your collar on one side, you see. Put your hand, feet, straight. Sit straight. Raise your right to the left. Right to the left. Mmm. Put your right hand on the heart. How are you going to settle down? Mark, can you work on her? Right to the left. Do right. Raise the right, put down her left. Work it. Again is coming, at the hip. Is it coming or (calming?). Little bit. Put your right hand like this, right hand like this, yea. Keep your eyes open. Keep it open, don’t close it. (Unclear). Today. They haven’t got it. You should bring her again I think would be a good idea. Huh, what about her? A yogi: (Unclear) nabhi. Shri Mataji: Nabhi? Left? Yogi: Very warm left. Shri Mataji: Warm left. Ask her to put her right hand on her nabhi. Is it better? How is he? (Unclear). Say the mantra. Will work out. Someone talking: (unclear) Shri Mataji: Huh? Fight? Someone talking: (unclear) Shri Mataji: Let’s see.(Shri Mataji laughing). I’m already on. (Shri Mataji laughing).
7/27/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=145	Guru Puja: The Statutes of the Lord	England	Hampstead	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Guru	English	70	“The statutes of the Lord”, Guru purnima, London (UK), 27 July 1980 Today you have arranged this worship of your guru, that is your Mother. Perhaps you are very unique people that have a guru who is a Mother. Why this puja is arranged? One has to know that it is very important for every disciple to worship the guru, but the guru has to be a real guru, not a one who is just exploiting the disciples and who is not authorised by God. The puja is arranged because you have been initiated into the statutes of the Lord. You have been told what are the dharmas of a human being. For that actually you need not have a guru. You can read any book and you will know what are the statutes of the Lord. But [the] guru has to see that you practise them. These statutes are to be practised, to be brought into your own life, which is a difficult thing. And without a guru, a correcting force, it is very difficult to follow these statutes of Lord; because there is a gap between human awareness and Divine awareness, a very big gap. And that gap can be only fulfilled by a guru who himself is complete. Today is a purnima day. “Purnima” means the complete moon. The guru has to be a complete personality to talk about these statutes and to elevate his disciples to this level of understanding, by which they imbibe those statutes. He is there to fulfil this gap, and for that it is essential that every guru has to be a Realised soul of a very high quality and greatly evolved. He need not be a person who is an ascetic, or he need not be a person who is living in the forest. He could be a common householder. He could be a king. All these outward manifestations of one’s life do not matter. Whatever may be your position, I would say the so-called position, in this world, makes no difference to your being a guru, as long as you have imbibed the statutes of the Lord. Again, I say, you have to imbibe the statutes. Let’s see what are the statutes. First is, you do not harm anyone. First principle is that we are not to harm anyone. Animals do harm without knowing that they are doing harm. If you go near a snake, he’ll bite. If a scorpion is there he can put his poison into your being. Animals are not to harm anyone; they can correct but not harm. So, the principle of not harming was taken to a point where reality disappeared. For example, when it was said “Do not harm anyone”, so people started saying, “All right, we’ll not harm mosquitoes. We’ll not harm bugs. We’ll not kill them.” And there are some people who are following religions in which they preserve mosquitoes and bugs. This is absurdity! Taking anything to absurdity cannot be Reality. First of all, we should not harm anyone who is walking in the path of God, the one who is a Realised soul. He may be wrong, there may be some mistakes in him, still he needs correction; nobody’s perfect as yet. So do not harm, always try to help. Secondly, anybody who is a real seeker, he may be wrong, he might have gone to wrong gurus, he might have done wrong things; but have feelings, because you have been going on the wrong path yourself sometimes; you have been misled before, so have more sympathies. That’s why, if you have done mistakes, in a way it’s good, because you have more sympathies for such people. Then you are not to harm human beings in any way. You are not to cause them any bodily harm; any emotional upsetting just for harm’s sake. For correction it’s all right. The second statute is that you have to stand on your own legs and know that you are here, one with the truth, the testimony, the testimony of the truth: that you have seen the truth, you know what truth is, and you cannot compromise with falsehood, you cannot. For that you need not harm anyone, you have to just profess it. You have to stand up and say that you have seen the truth and this is the truth, and you have to be one with it, so that people see that light of truth in you and they accept you. It’s not for telling others that, “You have to be truthful, and this is the truth we have seen, that this is what God’s laws are, how they work out.” “Through vibratory awareness we have been able to see this is the truth.” But be completely confident about it. But for that, first of all you must test yourself completely; otherwise you might be playing into the hands of ego. It happens with many people who start doing Sahaja Yoga, to begin with. So be cautious, be sure that you are telling the truth and nothing else, and that you have felt the truth in full ways. Those who have not felt any vibrations shouldn’t talk of Sahaj Yog at all; they have no authority. They have to receive vibrations, they have to fully imbibe within them, and then they can say, “Yes, we have felt.” This is a very important task Sahaja Yogis have to do in these modern times, is to tell aloud that they have found the truth. That part is very weak. In whatever way you like: you can write books, you can announce it, you can talk to your friends, to your relations and everywhere; tell them, “This is the truth now!” That you have entered into the Kingdom of God; that you are blessed by the grace of God. That you are Realised souls That you have felt the Divine power which is pervading everywhere, and that you can give Realisations to others. This you have to tell others. And know that, by your accepting Truth you are not adding anything to the Truth, but you are adorning yourself. One requires courage to enjoy the truth. Sometimes people will laugh at you, will mock at you, may persecute also; but that should not be any worry to you, because your relationship is with the statutes and with the grace of God. When that is your connection, you should not worry about other people, what they have to say about you. You have to stand up, adorn yourself with that Truth and talk to people [so] that people will know that you have found it. With that authenticity with which you speak, people will know that you have found it. The difference between a realised-soul and a non-realised-soul is basically this. He doesn’t talk of his woes and his separation with God, but he says, “l have found it now. This is it.” Like Christ said, “I am the Light, I am the Path.” Anybody else can say that but you can make out that it is not true. With the confidence, with that complete understanding coming out of your heart, people can make out this is Absolute Truth. And then all kinds of falsehood must be denounced. It doesn’t matter if somebody feels bad, because by telling that you are saving them, and not harming them. But [it] must be told in a correct way, not in a frivolous way. In a very persuasive way, you must tell them that, “No, this is wrong.” You must wait for the time when you can tell people, more in confidence. Talk to them, “This is wrong, this is wrong, you don’t know. We’ve done the same thing.” This is how you are going to express your principle of mastery, or you can say guru tattwa. You have to be truthful. First and foremost thing is that you should know the Truth, you should stand the testimony, and that you should announce it. The third thing a guru in Sahaja Yoga has to do is to develop detachment. Gradually you do develop it, because you find that, unless and until you develop that detachment, you are not receiving vibrations in full way. All kinds of detachments have to be developed [which] means your priorities change. Once your attention gets fixed up with your Spirit, the catch or the hold on things which are of no importance starts reducing by itself. For example, you have a father, you have a mother, you have a sister, this is a bigger problem in India. Here you are over-detached, but in India people are very much involved in their own children, in their own: “This is my son,” and others are all orphans. Only your sons are the real children, your daughter, your sons. “my daughter”, “I must do this for my son, for my father, mother” Here also, two types of attachments are there, one through moha, through involvement into them; that you want to do this for them and that for them, and give all the property to them, insurance for them, every sort of thing. And another could be, the way we have here, that you hate your mother, you hate your father, you hate everyone. Both things are just the same. So a detachment must be developed. A detachment is that you are your father, you are your mother, you are everything, your Spirit is everything to you. You have to enjoy only your Spirit, as everything, then the detachment comes from there. And then you really do good to them by detaching, because you see the complete vision about them and about what is to be done. For example, people have also attachments to certain crazes. Human beings always become crazy after something! I mean it can be anything. One has to understand [that] there should be only one craze: is to be settled absolutely into your Spirit. All other crazes will disappear, because that’s the greatest joy-giving thing, that’s the most nourishing thing, that’s the most beautiful thing. So all the other things fall off [and] you enjoy only that, which is the source of all enjoyments. So [when] you get yourself attached to your Spirit, detachment starts working. Sometimes detachment is taken as a license for becoming dry to others, which is absurd. This is only human quality also: [to] make everything ugly, whatever is beautiful. Actually, a person who is detached is the most beautiful person, is the extremely loving person. He is love. Look at the flowers, they are detached. They are dying. Tomorrow they are not going to live. But every minute they live, they are emitting fragrance to you. The trees are not attached to anything. They will die tomorrow, doesn’t matter. But anybody who comes to them, they give shade, they give fruits. Attachment means death of love; complete death of love is attachment. For example, in a tree, the sap rises, goes to all the leaves, goes to all the necessary parts, all the flowers, all the fruits, and goes back to the Mother Earth. He is not attached to anyone. Supposing the sap goes and gets attached into one fruit, what will happen [is] the tree will die, and the fruit will die. Detachment gives you the movement of your love, circulation of it. For things now: things have no value unless and until there are emotions behind it. Now for example, a sari, this one I am wearing today, was bought for Guru day, Guru Purnima. But they had no sari. The other day they wanted to have a sari for puja so I said, “Alright, use this.” But I wore it again today, just to say that this was bought with that emotion that, on a Guru day, Mother would like to wear something of a lighter shade; white, the pure colour of silk. It’s complete detachment. But in white all the colours are mixed, then only it becomes white. In such a balance and unity it is, should be, that you become white, and whiter than snow. Detachment is purity, is innocence. Innocence is such a light, I tell you; light that really blinds you to all that is filthy. You wouldn’t even know that a person has come with bad intentions. You look at the person, somebody who comes to you and you’ll say, “Oh, come along! What do you want?” You’ll offer him tea and all that. And he’ll say, “I have come to rob you.” “Alright, rob me if you want to. It’s alright.” He may not at all rob you! That is what is innocence; which one can develop only through detachment. Detachment is of the attention. Do not allow your attention to get involved into something too much; even rituals of anything. Say, now, we have not washed Mataji’s Feet – alright, doesn’t matter. If you love me [it’s] alright! And if some mistakes are committed what does it matter? If you see on the abstract plane - it’s love. This is just a step forward. Like somebody ran very fast and fell down before reaching me and he says, “Mother, sorry I fell down before reaching you. I should have not done that. But see how I prostrated before you!” It’s complete poetry. Detachment. So one has to develop that detachment to be a guru. And that detachment doesn’t mean sanyasa or anything like that. Yes, sometimes one has to wear those dresses to announce because, if you have to do [a] lot of work in a short time, then you have to take such intensive behaviour: Like Christ, we can say, Adi Shankaracharya - all these people had a very, very short life. And in that short life they had to achieve such a tremendous task that they had to actually take a military uniform, just to avoid problems; not to impress others. Nowadays people wear that dress just to impress others that they are detached, and do just the thing opposite of it. So we understand that, the first one [statute] is not to harm anyone, ahimsa; not to kill anyone. That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t eat meat and fish and all that. That’s all nonsense. Of course you should not hanker after food, no doubt about it. “You don’t kill anyone” means you do not kill a human being: “Thou shall not kill”. Just move forward so that they can sit there, a little. Come forward. I think best thing is to come very forward. So first thing is, not to harm anyone. Second is to know that you have found the Truth and give the testimony of the Truth. Third is the detachment, the way I have told you about detachment: not to get attached to any one person because he’s a relation or a something, but develop a universal feeling. And also not to hate anyone: that is even worse. That’s a kind of a worse type of attachment. This word should go away from the mouth of all the Sahaja Yogis: “I hate”. It’s called as a ‘dandak’ - is the statute. You cannot hate anyone. Even rakshasas, you better not hate them. Give them a chance. Now the fourth thing, the fourth statute of the Lord is to lead a moral life. These statutes were given by all the Gurus from Socrates onward; Moses, Abraham, Dattatreya, Janaka; up to Nanaka, Mohammed Sahib, and up to the point where it was only about a hundred years back, at the most, was Sai Nath. All of them have said that you have to lead a moral life. None of them have said that you do not get married, that you do not talk to your wife, that you have no relationship with your wife. All this is nonsensical. Lead a moral life. When you are young, not married, keep your eyes on the ground. Mother Earth gives you that innocence by which you develop that principle within you. It’s a very important principle. It’s such a pure principle. It really helps the society to develop its dignity. Now think, in a society where you do not know who is your sister, who is your brother, who is your mother, what complications it can create; what confusion, what unhappiness! It is one of the most essential things for human beings to be moral. For animals it is not necessary. Most of the confusions and problems, specially in the Western life, have come because they have thrown morality in the sea. And to accept morality as the very basis of society is very difficult for them; it’s a complete reversion. But you have to do it. You have to turn the whole wheel back. So many things were done, in the beginning of the society, to establish this pure relationship. There are laws which act. As there are laws chemical laws [that] are there, there are physical laws are there, in physics and chemistry if you read; [so too] there are human laws which one should understand. The relationships between each other, the sublimity of their relationship, the purity of their relationship must be understood. And then only you can have a very, very happy married life, which is the basis. “Thou shall not commit adultery.” But Christ has said – perhaps He knew the modern people as they would be using their brains for this – He said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” What a vision, in those days to think; Even I could not understand it when I was in India. After only coming here I could see what did it mean. It’s a possession on the eyes, possession. It’s a joyless, useless behaviour. It’s tiring. Attention is frittered away completely. There’s no dignity. Eyes should be steady. When you look at somebody steadily you should know that you have got Sahaja Yoga in you; with love, with respect, with dignity. Not staring at people and just playing into the hands of these possessions. The whole society is possessed. All the satanic forces have been let loose, I think. And the way people are possessed, they cannot see through these things. And they are supposed to be Christians! Attention is to be looked after. That’s the most important thing because [the] attention is the one which is going to be enlightened. So we have to know what morality is. Let people laugh at us. Let them say that, “These are goodie-goodies,” or this sort of a thing. We are! We are proud to be. We are not ashamed of being righteous people. This is a very important part of righteousness. Those who do not follow this will lose their vibrations very fast. Then, for a guru, he should not accumulate things. He should not have possessions, much possessions, with him. If he has possessions, they should be just for giving away. A guru must give away his possessions. He should not have a stamp-collection (laughter), and all kinds of collections that people have. Whatever things are useful, beautiful, which give happiness and joy to others, to their eyes, such things must be collected; such things which give the symbol to his life. Very symbolic things he should have, which suggest that he is a dharmic person. He should not have things which are symbolic of adharmic style, of irreligious life. Everything that he has or he wears, or he shows, should be representative of his dharma. I don’t know what was the situation here but, in India, when we were young, we were not allowed to listen to all kinds of music, not allowed, just not allowed; not to see all kinds of filthy things and filthy documentaries and things, not allowed. Anything that is impure, giving bad vibrations should not be possessed. And even, whatever you have, you should think: whom you can give this. So it means you should have possessions to express your generosity. A Sahaja Yogi has to be generous like the sea. A miserly Sahaja Yogi, I cannot think of that, it is like mixing of darkness with light. Miserliness is not allowed in Sahaja Yoga. Anybody whose mind goes, “How much I can save money?” or “Save my labour how?” There are many labour-saving devices also, and money-saving devices. Or cheating others, or making money out of certain few things here and there: all such things are against Sahaja Yoga. They will pull you down. Enjoy your generosity! How many times I must have told you about generosity. I remember once [that] I wanted to give a sari that I had from abroad. Because in India people like that kind of a sari very much; though I don’t understand why they like a nylon sort of thing. And a lady said that, “I haven’t got any sari from outside and I would like to have one imported sari.” And I had only one left with me because I am quite good at giving away. So I told one of my niece-in-laws, I said, “I want to give away this sari to her. On a holy day we can give it to elders, so I’ll give it.” She said, “You have only one left now, why do you want to give away? You have given away all you had.” I said, “Now, I feel like giving. I’ll give away.” And we were discussing this in the kitchen, and I said, “Why do you tell me? I am not going to take your advice on this point!” And at that time the bell rang and a gentleman came. He had brought three saris for me from Africa, and one of them was exactly the same as the one I had. Because I had given some silk saris to this lady when she was going to Africa, she thought she should send me some saris, so she sent. You are just standing in the centre, from one door it comes and from the other door it goes. It’s nice to see all that movement. It’s very interesting. Apart from that, the way you give it, the emotional side of it, is so beautiful, you can’t imagine! I met a lady after, say, twenty years of her married life, in London suddenly, and she said, “Oh, what a coincidence!” I said, “Why?” “You see, I am wearing the same pearl necklace you had given me on my wedding day, today, and I should meet you!” And the whole thing, the whole drama changed! I mean it was nothing so great. It is how you give even a small thing. It’s the greatest art of giving [that] one has to learn in Sahaja Yoga. Give up the mundane type of things. Like if you go to somebody’s birthday, you send a card, “Thank you very much.” Make it a more deeper, significant thing. Let us see how you develop your symbols of love. And when you’ll have these things of vibrations, and then you’ll give it to a Sahaja Yogi, he will know what it is. Never lack in generosity, specially amongst Sahaja Yogis. Gradually you will be amazed how, through small things, you win over [others]; as if the vibrations flow through those things and work out on those people. Then, for a Sahaja Yogi, it is important to use things which are more natural in their character; to give up artificialities; to be more natural. I don’t say that you go and take out the roots and eat them, or you can eat the fish raw! I don’t mean that. I mean, going too far with things, always you must avoid. But try to lead a life which is more natural; natural, in the sense that people know that there is no vanity about you. Or some people can be the other way round: they will dress up like a tramp just to attract more attention. I mean they can be both ways. Then I find some of the people colouring their hair and all that. So you have to be a natural person; very natural in your behaviour. It can mean anything absurd also to some people who do not use their wisdom. Wisdom is very important in Sahaja Yoga; that [wisdom] one has to keep intact all the time. ‘Natural’ means you must wear natural dresses which are suitable to you. For example, in this climate there is no need for you to wear a dress like Rama used to wear. He would not wear anything on top, you see. There is no need. You have to wear the dress to whatever country you belong, whatever suits you for the occasion. Whatever you think is dignified and good, which speaks for your more elegance and your personality. Whatever suits you, you should wear. Not like all the people wearing that Moss Brothers dress: in the grey suit, and horrible looking, and absolutely making clowns out of them. No clownish things are necessary. No dandy stuff is necessary. Simple, beautiful dresses should be worn, which give you dignity. Actually in the East, people believe that God has given you a beautiful body and it is to be adorned with the beauty of what human beings have created just to respect it, just to worship your body. For example now in India people wear, women wear their saris. The saris are expressive of their moods of these women and of [the] expression of their worship of their body; because you must respect your body. Dresses should be such that should be for utility as well as dignity. There is no need to have uniform clothes for Sahaja Yoga at all. I do not like it. There should be variety, as the nature is. Everyone should look a different person. For a puja and all that you may wear something similar, doesn’t matter, where your attention need not be on the variety. But outside, you should be a normal person. You are all householders. Nobody has to announce something. Even [to] you people, I do not tell you that you put on your red mark while walking on the street, because you should be like normal people; not to be pointed out. You need not be absurdly dressed or funnily dressed; in a normal way as others wear. To be normal is very important in Sahaja Yoga. Then we have to know that Sahaja Yogis have to get over all kinds of discrimination and identifications according to races, colour or different religions into [which] you are born. Because you are born as a Christian, you do not belong to a church. You were not born in a church - thank God (laughter) - otherwise all the spirits there would capture you immediately. But these identifications will linger on. To accept anything new, you are to be reborn, and you are reborn now. Now you are dharmateet – means you need not follow any particular type of religion. You are open to all the religions, and all the essence of religions you have to take. You are not to denounce any religion any time, to insult any religion any time, or to insult any religious Incarnation at any time: it’s sin. It is a great sin in Sahaja Yoga; any one of them. And you know who they are. There should be no racial understanding of oneself. You could have been a Chinese or you could have been a Negro, you could have been anything. As long as we are all human beings, we should know that we laugh the same way, we smile the same way, we hold the same way. This is all conditioning in our mind of this society that some are untouchables, some are touchables. This is in our Indian community – horrible people. Brahmanism of India has ruined India completely, and you learnt from them. For example, who was Vyasa? The one who wrote Gita, who was he? He was illegitimate son of a fisherwoman! That’s why deliberately he was born like that. All these Brahmins who read Gita, tell them, “Who was Vyasa?” “Brahmins” are those who are Realised-souls, and for Realised-souls there’s nothing like all these nonsensical things, like where are you born; in what caste and community you are born. With all education and everything in the West, you find this nonsense of racialism. I just can’t understand. If somebody is fair or dark, after all God has to make variety, in colour, in every way. Who told you that you are the most handsome people going round? Maybe for some of the markets here, or maybe in the Hollywood it may fit in. But in the kingdom of God all these so-called handsome people will be denied entry!Marrying seven husbands and all sorts of things. They will be all put in hell. The beauty is of the heart and not of the face. And that shows and shines. I mean, people are a little bit aware of it, that’s why they go and tan their faces. I don’t know. They are quite aware that - it is too much showing off we are doing. But to have vanity, to have such absurd ideas! Some people like red hair, some like black hair, some like this. I mean there have to be different types of hair. And why do you like a particular type of hair? This I can’t understand. There’s nothing like like and dislike: whatever God has created is all beautiful. Who are you to judge whether “I like this” and “I like that”? “I”, who is this “I”? Who likes is Mr. Ego, which is being pampered by this society; which teaches you how to smoke cigars and how to have your lager, morning till evening. All this training and all this conditioning has to be thrown away, just like filth! And see that God has created all of you as His own children. It’s such a beautiful thing! Why do you want to make it ugly with these ugly ideas? All this ugliness of “I like” and “I dislike” are nonsensical. Only there should be one word: “I love”. Forget everything. There’s no need to remember what British did to Indians and what Germans did to Jews. Forget it. Those people who did anything are dead and finished. We are different people. We are different people. We are saints. This is for your statutes, I have told you, which you have to imbibe. But today I authorise you to be the gurus, so that through your own character and through your own personalities, the way you practise Sahaja Yoga in your own life, and manifest the light, others will follow you. And that you will establish the statutes of Lord in their hearts and emancipate them [and] give them their salvation, because you have got your salvation. You are the channels. Without the channels, this All-pervading Power cannot work out. That’s the system. If you see the sun, its light spreads through its rays. From your heart the blood flows through arteries; they become smaller and smaller. You are the arteries [through] which is going to flow this blood of my love to all the people. If the arteries are broken, it will not reach the people. That is why you are so important; very, very important. The bigger you become, the bigger artery you become, then you encompass more people. By that also you are more responsible. Guru must have the dignity, as I have told you last time. ‘Guru’ means ‘the weight’ - is the gravity. ‘Gurutwa’ means ‘gravity’. You must have the gravity, by your weight. ‘Weight’ means the weight of your character, the weight of your dignity, the weight of your behaviour, the weight of your faiths, and your light. You become the guru not through frivolousness and vanity, cheapness, vulgar language, cheap jokes, anger, temper. All must be avoided completely. And with the weight of your sweetness, of your tongue, the dignity will attract people, just like the flowers when loaded with nectar attract the bees from all over - in the same way you’ll be attracting people. But be proud of that! Be very, very proud of that, and have sympathies for others and care for others. Now in short I have to tell you how you have to do it yourself - the ways of the Guru’s working. You have to work out your Void clearly. First of all, you have to know that the Void catches when you have a wrong type of a guru – you have had. You must know about your Guru entirely. Try to find out the character of your Guru. [It’s] rather difficult, because your Guru is very elusive. She’s Mahamaya: not easy to find out. She behaves in a very normal way, and sometimes you are outwitted. But you [should] see how, in small things also, how She behaves, how Her character is expressed, how Her love is expressed, try to remember all that; Her forgiveness. And then you should know that you have the Guru which many people must have desired to have, which is the Source of all the gurus. It is the ardent desire of even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha to have a Guru like that, and They must be all jealous of you. But this Guru is very elusive so to improve your Void, say that: “Mother, You are our Guru.” Because of this elusiveness, that fear or that awe which is necessary, that respect which is necessary for the guru is not established. Unless and until you develop that awe, complete awe within you, your guru principle won’t develop. No liberty is to be taken. I am telling you myself, but I am extremely elusive. Next moment I’ll make you laugh and forget about it; because I’m testing your freedom to do it, complete freedom. I play with you in such a manner that you’ll be forgetting every moment that I’m your Guru, every moment. So first of all you must find out about your own Guru. Establish Her in your heart. I mean you have a wonderful Guru otherwise, I must say, I wish I had one like that! (laughter) And She is desireless and sinless, absolutely sinless. Whatever I do, it’s not a sin for me. I can kill anyone, do whatever intrigue or do anything; I really tell you, that’s a fact. Do anything, I am above sin. But I see to it that I do not do anything like that in your presence, so that you do not get one of these things, because that is my quality. You have a very supreme Guru, no doubt! But still you must know that those powers of supremacy you don’t have. I am above all these things. I don’t know what are temptations are, nothing! I mean, I’ll do whatever I like! It’s all my whim. But despite that, I have made myself very normal, and because I must appear before you in such a manner that you understand what are the statutes. For me there are no statutes. I make all the statutes, isn’t it! Because of you I do all these things and teach you every small, small thing, because you are still children. In the same way, you must remember that when you are talking to other people about Sahaja Yoga, remember that they will see you all the time, and try to understand how far you are in it. As I understand you, you try to understand them. As I love you, you try to love them. I definitely love you, no doubt. But I am Nirmama - I am beyond love. It’s a different state altogether. Under these circumstances you are better off, much better off, because no guru ever goes to that extent. Apart from that I am the Source of all the shaktis, of all the powers. So you can have all the powers from me - whatever you like. I am desireless, but whatever desire you have will be fulfilled. Even about me you have to desire - look at that! How much I am bound by you. Unless and until you desire my good health, I’ll have bad health. It is to that extent. But to me, what is bad health and good health? And under these beautiful conditions you should really prosper so well. There should be no problem for you to be gurus. Now, the Void is to be established. First of all you must know your Guru, and She is on every Chakra working – imagine! And what a tremendous Guru you have! With that you will feel the confidence. And because it is such a tremendous Guru, everybody is getting Realisation so easily! If you go to a rich man, for him he’s not going to give you 2p! (£0.02) Because She’s so powerful, you are getting your powers just like that. So you have to feel very happy about it, extremely happy and beautiful that you have got all these powers. At least, those who have been in Sahaja Yoga will know this, for some time. Those who have come for the first time may be little bit puzzled with my lecture. All of you know! All of you know for definite what it is. So to understand your own Guru power, you must know who is your Guru: Sakshat Adi Shakti! Oh God, it’s too much! Then establish your Void. A guru does not bend his head before anybody else; and specially my disciples. Except for mothers and sisters and…you see, in some relationship if it is so, so you bow to that. But they do not bow to anybody else. And secondly, you must know that your Guru has been the Mother of very great people. The thought of them, itself, should establish your guru tattwa. What tremendous sons I have had, what great personalities. No words can describe them. And so many of them, one after another. And you are in the same tradition, my disciples. Keep them as your ideals. Try to follow them. Read about them, understand them - what they have said, how they have achieved such heights. Recognise them. Respect them. You will establish your guru tattwa. Imbibe all the statutes within you, and be proud about it. Don’t be misguided by what people are talking, multitudes are talking. We are going to pull the whole multitude towards ourselves. First of all let us establish our weight, the gravity. As Mother Earth keeps pulling everybody towards Her, we’ll be pulling all of them to ourselves. Today all of you must, within yourself, to your Spirit, promise that you will be a guru, worthy of your Mother. May God bless you. Now for people who have come for the first time, they should know that puja is a thing not meant for everyone. Actually we do not get people here really…	null	null	null	“The statutes of the Lord”, Guru purnima, London (UK), 27 July 1980 Today you have arranged this worship of your guru, that is your Mother. Perhaps you are very unique people that have a guru who is a Mother. Why this puja is arranged? One has to know that it is very important for every disciple to worship the guru, but the guru has to be a real guru, not a one who is just exploiting the disciples and who is not authorised by God. The puja is arranged because you have been initiated into the statutes of the Lord. You have been told what are the dharmas of a human being. For that actually you need not have a guru. You can read any book and you will know what are the statutes of the Lord. But [the] guru has to see that you practise them. These statutes are to be practised, to be brought into your own life, which is a difficult thing. And without a guru, a correcting force, it is very difficult to follow these statutes of Lord; because there is a gap between human awareness and Divine awareness, a very big gap. And that gap can be only fulfilled by a guru who himself is complete. Today is a purnima day. “Purnima” means the complete moon. The guru has to be a complete personality to talk about these statutes and to elevate his disciples to this level of understanding, by which they imbibe those statutes. He is there to fulfil this gap, and for that it is essential that every guru has to be a Realised soul of a very high quality and greatly evolved. He need not be a person who is an ascetic, or he need not be a person who is living in the forest. He could be a common householder. He could be a king. All these outward manifestations of one’s life do not matter. Whatever may be your position, I would say the so-called position, in this world, makes no difference to your being a guru, as long as you have imbibed the statutes of the Lord. Again, I say, you have to imbibe the statutes. Let’s see what are the statutes. First is, you do not harm anyone. First principle is that we are not to harm anyone. Animals do harm without knowing that they are doing harm. If you go near a snake, he’ll bite. If a scorpion is there he can put his poison into your being. Animals are not to harm anyone; they can correct but not harm. So, the principle of not harming was taken to a point where reality disappeared. For example, when it was said “Do not harm anyone”, so people started saying, “All right, we’ll not harm mosquitoes. We’ll not harm bugs. We’ll not kill them.” And there are some people who are following religions in which they preserve mosquitoes and bugs. This is absurdity! Taking anything to absurdity cannot be Reality. First of all, we should not harm anyone who is walking in the path of God, the one who is a Realised soul. He may be wrong, there may be some mistakes in him, still he needs correction; nobody’s perfect as yet. So do not harm, always try to help. Secondly, anybody who is a real seeker, he may be wrong, he might have gone to wrong gurus, he might have done wrong things; but have feelings, because you have been going on the wrong path yourself sometimes; you have been misled before, so have more sympathies. That’s why, if you have done mistakes, in a way it’s good, because you have more sympathies for such people. Then you are not to harm human beings in any way. You are not to cause them any bodily harm; any emotional upsetting just for harm’s sake. For correction it’s all right. The second statute is that you have to stand on your own legs and know that you are here, one with the truth, the testimony, the testimony of the truth: that you have seen the truth, you know what truth is, and you cannot compromise with falsehood, you cannot. For that you need not harm anyone, you have to just profess it. You have to stand up and say that you have seen the truth and this is the truth, and you have to be one with it, so that people see that light of truth in you and they accept you. It’s not for telling others that, “You have to be truthful, and this is the truth we have seen, that this is what God’s laws are, how they work out.” “Through vibratory awareness we have been able to see this is the truth.” But be completely confident about it. But for that, first of all you must test yourself completely; otherwise you might be playing into the hands of ego. It happens with many people who start doing Sahaja Yoga, to begin with. So be cautious, be sure that you are telling the truth and nothing else, and that you have felt the truth in full ways. Those who have not felt any vibrations shouldn’t talk of Sahaj Yog at all; they have no authority. They have to receive vibrations, they have to fully imbibe within them, and then they can say, “Yes, we have felt.” This is a very important task Sahaja Yogis have to do in these modern times, is to tell aloud that they have found the truth. That part is very weak. In whatever way you like: you can write books, you can announce it, you can talk to your friends, to your relations and everywhere; tell them, “This is the truth now!” That you have entered into the Kingdom of God; that you are blessed by the grace of God. That you are Realised souls That you have felt the Divine power which is pervading everywhere, and that you can give Realisations to others. This you have to tell others. And know that, by your accepting Truth you are not adding anything to the Truth, but you are adorning yourself. One requires courage to enjoy the truth. Sometimes people will laugh at you, will mock at you, may persecute also; but that should not be any worry to you, because your relationship is with the statutes and with the grace of God. When that is your connection, you should not worry about other people, what they have to say about you. You have to stand up, adorn yourself with that Truth and talk to people [so] that people will know that you have found it. With that authenticity with which you speak, people will know that you have found it. The difference between a realised-soul and a non-realised-soul is basically this. He doesn’t talk of his woes and his separation with God, but he says, “l have found it now. This is it.” Like Christ said, “I am the Light, I am the Path.” Anybody else can say that but you can make out that it is not true. With the confidence, with that complete understanding coming out of your heart, people can make out this is Absolute Truth. And then all kinds of falsehood must be denounced. It doesn’t matter if somebody feels bad, because by telling that you are saving them, and not harming them. But [it] must be told in a correct way, not in a frivolous way. In a very persuasive way, you must tell them that, “No, this is wrong.” You must wait for the time when you can tell people, more in confidence. Talk to them, “This is wrong, this is wrong, you don’t know. We’ve done the same thing.” This is how you are going to express your principle of mastery, or you can say guru tattwa. You have to be truthful. First and foremost thing is that you should know the Truth, you should stand the testimony, and that you should announce it. The third thing a guru in Sahaja Yoga has to do is to develop detachment. Gradually you do develop it, because you find that, unless and until you develop that detachment, you are not receiving vibrations in full way. All kinds of detachments have to be developed [which] means your priorities change. Once your attention gets fixed up with your Spirit, the catch or the hold on things which are of no importance starts reducing by itself. For example, you have a father, you have a mother, you have a sister, this is a bigger problem in India. Here you are over-detached, but in India people are very much involved in their own children, in their own: “This is my son,” and others are all orphans. Only your sons are the real children, your daughter, your sons. “my daughter”, “I must do this for my son, for my father, mother” Here also, two types of attachments are there, one through moha, through involvement into them; that you want to do this for them and that for them, and give all the property to them, insurance for them, every sort of thing. And another could be, the way we have here, that you hate your mother, you hate your father, you hate everyone. Both things are just the same. So a detachment must be developed. A detachment is that you are your father, you are your mother, you are everything, your Spirit is everything to you. You have to enjoy only your Spirit, as everything, then the detachment comes from there. And then you really do good to them by detaching, because you see the complete vision about them and about what is to be done. For example, people have also attachments to certain crazes. Human beings always become crazy after something! I mean it can be anything. One has to understand [that] there should be only one craze: is to be settled absolutely into your Spirit. All other crazes will disappear, because that’s the greatest joy-giving thing, that’s the most nourishing thing, that’s the most beautiful thing. So all the other things fall off [and] you enjoy only that, which is the source of all enjoyments. So [when] you get yourself attached to your Spirit, detachment starts working. Sometimes detachment is taken as a license for becoming dry to others, which is absurd. This is only human quality also: [to] make everything ugly, whatever is beautiful. Actually, a person who is detached is the most beautiful person, is the extremely loving person. He is love. Look at the flowers, they are detached. They are dying. Tomorrow they are not going to live. But every minute they live, they are emitting fragrance to you. The trees are not attached to anything. They will die tomorrow, doesn’t matter. But anybody who comes to them, they give shade, they give fruits. Attachment means death of love; complete death of love is attachment. For example, in a tree, the sap rises, goes to all the leaves, goes to all the necessary parts, all the flowers, all the fruits, and goes back to the Mother Earth. He is not attached to anyone. Supposing the sap goes and gets attached into one fruit, what will happen [is] the tree will die, and the fruit will die. Detachment gives you the movement of your love, circulation of it. For things now: things have no value unless and until there are emotions behind it. Now for example, a sari, this one I am wearing today, was bought for Guru day, Guru Purnima. But they had no sari. The other day they wanted to have a sari for puja so I said, “Alright, use this.” But I wore it again today, just to say that this was bought with that emotion that, on a Guru day, Mother would like to wear something of a lighter shade; white, the pure colour of silk. It’s complete detachment. But in white all the colours are mixed, then only it becomes white. In such a balance and unity it is, should be, that you become white, and whiter than snow. Detachment is purity, is innocence. Innocence is such a light, I tell you; light that really blinds you to all that is filthy. You wouldn’t even know that a person has come with bad intentions. You look at the person, somebody who comes to you and you’ll say, “Oh, come along! What do you want?” You’ll offer him tea and all that. And he’ll say, “I have come to rob you.” “Alright, rob me if you want to. It’s alright.” He may not at all rob you! That is what is innocence; which one can develop only through detachment. Detachment is of the attention. Do not allow your attention to get involved into something too much; even rituals of anything. Say, now, we have not washed Mataji’s Feet – alright, doesn’t matter. If you love me [it’s] alright! And if some mistakes are committed what does it matter? If you see on the abstract plane - it’s love. This is just a step forward. Like somebody ran very fast and fell down before reaching me and he says, “Mother, sorry I fell down before reaching you. I should have not done that. But see how I prostrated before you!” It’s complete poetry. Detachment. So one has to develop that detachment to be a guru. And that detachment doesn’t mean sanyasa or anything like that. Yes, sometimes one has to wear those dresses to announce because, if you have to do [a] lot of work in a short time, then you have to take such intensive behaviour: Like Christ, we can say, Adi Shankaracharya - all these people had a very, very short life. And in that short life they had to achieve such a tremendous task that they had to actually take a military uniform, just to avoid problems; not to impress others. Nowadays people wear that dress just to impress others that they are detached, and do just the thing opposite of it. So we understand that, the first one [statute] is not to harm anyone, ahimsa; not to kill anyone. That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t eat meat and fish and all that. That’s all nonsense. Of course you should not hanker after food, no doubt about it. “You don’t kill anyone” means you do not kill a human being: “Thou shall not kill”. Just move forward so that they can sit there, a little. Come forward. I think best thing is to come very forward. So first thing is, not to harm anyone. Second is to know that you have found the Truth and give the testimony of the Truth. Third is the detachment, the way I have told you about detachment: not to get attached to any one person because he’s a relation or a something, but develop a universal feeling. And also not to hate anyone: that is even worse. That’s a kind of a worse type of attachment. This word should go away from the mouth of all the Sahaja Yogis: “I hate”. It’s called as a ‘dandak’ - is the statute. You cannot hate anyone. Even rakshasas, you better not hate them. Give them a chance. Now the fourth thing, the fourth statute of the Lord is to lead a moral life. These statutes were given by all the Gurus from Socrates onward; Moses, Abraham, Dattatreya, Janaka; up to Nanaka, Mohammed Sahib, and up to the point where it was only about a hundred years back, at the most, was Sai Nath. All of them have said that you have to lead a moral life. None of them have said that you do not get married, that you do not talk to your wife, that you have no relationship with your wife. All this is nonsensical. Lead a moral life. When you are young, not married, keep your eyes on the ground. Mother Earth gives you that innocence by which you develop that principle within you. It’s a very important principle. It’s such a pure principle. It really helps the society to develop its dignity. Now think, in a society where you do not know who is your sister, who is your brother, who is your mother, what complications it can create; what confusion, what unhappiness! It is one of the most essential things for human beings to be moral. For animals it is not necessary. Most of the confusions and problems, specially in the Western life, have come because they have thrown morality in the sea. And to accept morality as the very basis of society is very difficult for them; it’s a complete reversion. But you have to do it. You have to turn the whole wheel back. So many things were done, in the beginning of the society, to establish this pure relationship. There are laws which act. As there are laws chemical laws [that] are there, there are physical laws are there, in physics and chemistry if you read; [so too] there are human laws which one should understand. The relationships between each other, the sublimity of their relationship, the purity of their relationship must be understood. And then only you can have a very, very happy married life, which is the basis. “Thou shall not commit adultery.” But Christ has said – perhaps He knew the modern people as they would be using their brains for this – He said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” What a vision, in those days to think; Even I could not understand it when I was in India. After only coming here I could see what did it mean. It’s a possession on the eyes, possession. It’s a joyless, useless behaviour. It’s tiring. Attention is frittered away completely. There’s no dignity. Eyes should be steady. When you look at somebody steadily you should know that you have got Sahaja Yoga in you; with love, with respect, with dignity. Not staring at people and just playing into the hands of these possessions. The whole society is possessed. All the satanic forces have been let loose, I think. And the way people are possessed, they cannot see through these things. And they are supposed to be Christians! Attention is to be looked after. That’s the most important thing because [the] attention is the one which is going to be enlightened. So we have to know what morality is. Let people laugh at us. Let them say that, “These are goodie-goodies,” or this sort of a thing. We are! We are proud to be. We are not ashamed of being righteous people. This is a very important part of righteousness. Those who do not follow this will lose their vibrations very fast. Then, for a guru, he should not accumulate things. He should not have possessions, much possessions, with him. If he has possessions, they should be just for giving away. A guru must give away his possessions. He should not have a stamp-collection (laughter), and all kinds of collections that people have. Whatever things are useful, beautiful, which give happiness and joy to others, to their eyes, such things must be collected; such things which give the symbol to his life. Very symbolic things he should have, which suggest that he is a dharmic person. He should not have things which are symbolic of adharmic style, of irreligious life. Everything that he has or he wears, or he shows, should be representative of his dharma. I don’t know what was the situation here but, in India, when we were young, we were not allowed to listen to all kinds of music, not allowed, just not allowed; not to see all kinds of filthy things and filthy documentaries and things, not allowed. Anything that is impure, giving bad vibrations should not be possessed. And even, whatever you have, you should think: whom you can give this. So it means you should have possessions to express your generosity. A Sahaja Yogi has to be generous like the sea. A miserly Sahaja Yogi, I cannot think of that, it is like mixing of darkness with light. Miserliness is not allowed in Sahaja Yoga. Anybody whose mind goes, “How much I can save money?” or “Save my labour how?” There are many labour-saving devices also, and money-saving devices. Or cheating others, or making money out of certain few things here and there: all such things are against Sahaja Yoga. They will pull you down. Enjoy your generosity! How many times I must have told you about generosity. I remember once [that] I wanted to give a sari that I had from abroad. Because in India people like that kind of a sari very much; though I don’t understand why they like a nylon sort of thing. And a lady said that, “I haven’t got any sari from outside and I would like to have one imported sari.” And I had only one left with me because I am quite good at giving away. So I told one of my niece-in-laws, I said, “I want to give away this sari to her. On a holy day we can give it to elders, so I’ll give it.” She said, “You have only one left now, why do you want to give away? You have given away all you had.” I said, “Now, I feel like giving. I’ll give away.” And we were discussing this in the kitchen, and I said, “Why do you tell me? I am not going to take your advice on this point!” And at that time the bell rang and a gentleman came. He had brought three saris for me from Africa, and one of them was exactly the same as the one I had. Because I had given some silk saris to this lady when she was going to Africa, she thought she should send me some saris, so she sent. You are just standing in the centre, from one door it comes and from the other door it goes. It’s nice to see all that movement. It’s very interesting. Apart from that, the way you give it, the emotional side of it, is so beautiful, you can’t imagine! I met a lady after, say, twenty years of her married life, in London suddenly, and she said, “Oh, what a coincidence!” I said, “Why?” “You see, I am wearing the same pearl necklace you had given me on my wedding day, today, and I should meet you!” And the whole thing, the whole drama changed! I mean it was nothing so great. It is how you give even a small thing. It’s the greatest art of giving [that] one has to learn in Sahaja Yoga. Give up the mundane type of things. Like if you go to somebody’s birthday, you send a card, “Thank you very much.” Make it a more deeper, significant thing. Let us see how you develop your symbols of love. And when you’ll have these things of vibrations, and then you’ll give it to a Sahaja Yogi, he will know what it is. Never lack in generosity, specially amongst Sahaja Yogis. Gradually you will be amazed how, through small things, you win over [others]; as if the vibrations flow through those things and work out on those people. Then, for a Sahaja Yogi, it is important to use things which are more natural in their character; to give up artificialities; to be more natural. I don’t say that you go and take out the roots and eat them, or you can eat the fish raw! I don’t mean that. I mean, going too far with things, always you must avoid. But try to lead a life which is more natural; natural, in the sense that people know that there is no vanity about you. Or some people can be the other way round: they will dress up like a tramp just to attract more attention. I mean they can be both ways. Then I find some of the people colouring their hair and all that. So you have to be a natural person; very natural in your behaviour. It can mean anything absurd also to some people who do not use their wisdom. Wisdom is very important in Sahaja Yoga; that [wisdom] one has to keep intact all the time. ‘Natural’ means you must wear natural dresses which are suitable to you. For example, in this climate there is no need for you to wear a dress like Rama used to wear. He would not wear anything on top, you see. There is no need. You have to wear the dress to whatever country you belong, whatever suits you for the occasion. Whatever you think is dignified and good, which speaks for your more elegance and your personality. Whatever suits you, you should wear. Not like all the people wearing that Moss Brothers dress: in the grey suit, and horrible looking, and absolutely making clowns out of them. No clownish things are necessary. No dandy stuff is necessary. Simple, beautiful dresses should be worn, which give you dignity. Actually in the East, people believe that God has given you a beautiful body and it is to be adorned with the beauty of what human beings have created just to respect it, just to worship your body. For example now in India people wear, women wear their saris. The saris are expressive of their moods of these women and of [the] expression of their worship of their body; because you must respect your body. Dresses should be such that should be for utility as well as dignity. There is no need to have uniform clothes for Sahaja Yoga at all. I do not like it. There should be variety, as the nature is. Everyone should look a different person. For a puja and all that you may wear something similar, doesn’t matter, where your attention need not be on the variety. But outside, you should be a normal person. You are all householders. Nobody has to announce something. Even [to] you people, I do not tell you that you put on your red mark while walking on the street, because you should be like normal people; not to be pointed out. You need not be absurdly dressed or funnily dressed; in a normal way as others wear. To be normal is very important in Sahaja Yoga. Then we have to know that Sahaja Yogis have to get over all kinds of discrimination and identifications according to races, colour or different religions into [which] you are born. Because you are born as a Christian, you do not belong to a church. You were not born in a church - thank God (laughter) - otherwise all the spirits there would capture you immediately. But these identifications will linger on. To accept anything new, you are to be reborn, and you are reborn now. Now you are dharmateet – means you need not follow any particular type of religion. You are open to all the religions, and all the essence of religions you have to take. You are not to denounce any religion any time, to insult any religion any time, or to insult any religious Incarnation at any time: it’s sin. It is a great sin in Sahaja Yoga; any one of them. And you know who they are. There should be no racial understanding of oneself. You could have been a Chinese or you could have been a Negro, you could have been anything. As long as we are all human beings, we should know that we laugh the same way, we smile the same way, we hold the same way. This is all conditioning in our mind of this society that some are untouchables, some are touchables. This is in our Indian community – horrible people. Brahmanism of India has ruined India completely, and you learnt from them. For example, who was Vyasa? The one who wrote Gita, who was he? He was illegitimate son of a fisherwoman! That’s why deliberately he was born like that. All these Brahmins who read Gita, tell them, “Who was Vyasa?” “Brahmins” are those who are Realised-souls, and for Realised-souls there’s nothing like all these nonsensical things, like where are you born; in what caste and community you are born. With all education and everything in the West, you find this nonsense of racialism. I just can’t understand. If somebody is fair or dark, after all God has to make variety, in colour, in every way. Who told you that you are the most handsome people going round? Maybe for some of the markets here, or maybe in the Hollywood it may fit in. But in the kingdom of God all these so-called handsome people will be denied entry!Marrying seven husbands and all sorts of things. They will be all put in hell. The beauty is of the heart and not of the face. And that shows and shines. I mean, people are a little bit aware of it, that’s why they go and tan their faces. I don’t know. They are quite aware that - it is too much showing off we are doing. But to have vanity, to have such absurd ideas! Some people like red hair, some like black hair, some like this. I mean there have to be different types of hair. And why do you like a particular type of hair? This I can’t understand. There’s nothing like like and dislike: whatever God has created is all beautiful. Who are you to judge whether “I like this” and “I like that”? “I”, who is this “I”? Who likes is Mr. Ego, which is being pampered by this society; which teaches you how to smoke cigars and how to have your lager, morning till evening. All this training and all this conditioning has to be thrown away, just like filth! And see that God has created all of you as His own children. It’s such a beautiful thing! Why do you want to make it ugly with these ugly ideas? All this ugliness of “I like” and “I dislike” are nonsensical. Only there should be one word: “I love”. Forget everything. There’s no need to remember what British did to Indians and what Germans did to Jews. Forget it. Those people who did anything are dead and finished. We are different people. We are different people. We are saints. This is for your statutes, I have told you, which you have to imbibe. But today I authorise you to be the gurus, so that through your own character and through your own personalities, the way you practise Sahaja Yoga in your own life, and manifest the light, others will follow you. And that you will establish the statutes of Lord in their hearts and emancipate them [and] give them their salvation, because you have got your salvation. You are the channels. Without the channels, this All-pervading Power cannot work out. That’s the system. If you see the sun, its light spreads through its rays. From your heart the blood flows through arteries; they become smaller and smaller. You are the arteries [through] which is going to flow this blood of my love to all the people. If the arteries are broken, it will not reach the people. That is why you are so important; very, very important. The bigger you become, the bigger artery you become, then you encompass more people. By that also you are more responsible. Guru must have the dignity, as I have told you last time. ‘Guru’ means ‘the weight’ - is the gravity. ‘Gurutwa’ means ‘gravity’. You must have the gravity, by your weight. ‘Weight’ means the weight of your character, the weight of your dignity, the weight of your behaviour, the weight of your faiths, and your light. You become the guru not through frivolousness and vanity, cheapness, vulgar language, cheap jokes, anger, temper. All must be avoided completely. And with the weight of your sweetness, of your tongue, the dignity will attract people, just like the flowers when loaded with nectar attract the bees from all over - in the same way you’ll be attracting people. But be proud of that! Be very, very proud of that, and have sympathies for others and care for others. Now in short I have to tell you how you have to do it yourself - the ways of the Guru’s working. You have to work out your Void clearly. First of all, you have to know that the Void catches when you have a wrong type of a guru – you have had. You must know about your Guru entirely. Try to find out the character of your Guru. [It’s] rather difficult, because your Guru is very elusive. She’s Mahamaya: not easy to find out. She behaves in a very normal way, and sometimes you are outwitted. But you [should] see how, in small things also, how She behaves, how Her character is expressed, how Her love is expressed, try to remember all that; Her forgiveness. And then you should know that you have the Guru which many people must have desired to have, which is the Source of all the gurus. It is the ardent desire of even Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesha to have a Guru like that, and They must be all jealous of you. But this Guru is very elusive so to improve your Void, say that: “Mother, You are our Guru.” Because of this elusiveness, that fear or that awe which is necessary, that respect which is necessary for the guru is not established. Unless and until you develop that awe, complete awe within you, your guru principle won’t develop. No liberty is to be taken. I am telling you myself, but I am extremely elusive. Next moment I’ll make you laugh and forget about it; because I’m testing your freedom to do it, complete freedom. I play with you in such a manner that you’ll be forgetting every moment that I’m your Guru, every moment. So first of all you must find out about your own Guru. Establish Her in your heart. I mean you have a wonderful Guru otherwise, I must say, I wish I had one like that! (laughter) And She is desireless and sinless, absolutely sinless. Whatever I do, it’s not a sin for me. I can kill anyone, do whatever intrigue or do anything; I really tell you, that’s a fact. Do anything, I am above sin. But I see to it that I do not do anything like that in your presence, so that you do not get one of these things, because that is my quality. You have a very supreme Guru, no doubt! But still you must know that those powers of supremacy you don’t have. I am above all these things. I don’t know what are temptations are, nothing! I mean, I’ll do whatever I like! It’s all my whim. But despite that, I have made myself very normal, and because I must appear before you in such a manner that you understand what are the statutes. For me there are no statutes. I make all the statutes, isn’t it! Because of you I do all these things and teach you every small, small thing, because you are still children. In the same way, you must remember that when you are talking to other people about Sahaja Yoga, remember that they will see you all the time, and try to understand how far you are in it. As I understand you, you try to understand them. As I love you, you try to love them. I definitely love you, no doubt. But I am Nirmama - I am beyond love. It’s a different state altogether. Under these circumstances you are better off, much better off, because no guru ever goes to that extent. Apart from that I am the Source of all the shaktis, of all the powers. So you can have all the powers from me - whatever you like. I am desireless, but whatever desire you have will be fulfilled. Even about me you have to desire - look at that! How much I am bound by you. Unless and until you desire my good health, I’ll have bad health. It is to that extent. But to me, what is bad health and good health? And under these beautiful conditions you should really prosper so well. There should be no problem for you to be gurus. Now, the Void is to be established. First of all you must know your Guru, and She is on every Chakra working – imagine! And what a tremendous Guru you have! With that you will feel the confidence. And because it is such a tremendous Guru, everybody is getting Realisation so easily! If you go to a rich man, for him he’s not going to give you 2p! (£0.02) Because She’s so powerful, you are getting your powers just like that. So you have to feel very happy about it, extremely happy and beautiful that you have got all these powers. At least, those who have been in Sahaja Yoga will know this, for some time. Those who have come for the first time may be little bit puzzled with my lecture. All of you know! All of you know for definite what it is. So to understand your own Guru power, you must know who is your Guru: Sakshat Adi Shakti! Oh God, it’s too much! Then establish your Void. A guru does not bend his head before anybody else; and specially my disciples. Except for mothers and sisters and…you see, in some relationship if it is so, so you bow to that. But they do not bow to anybody else. And secondly, you must know that your Guru has been the Mother of very great people. The thought of them, itself, should establish your guru tattwa. What tremendous sons I have had, what great personalities. No words can describe them. And so many of them, one after another. And you are in the same tradition, my disciples. Keep them as your ideals. Try to follow them. Read about them, understand them - what they have said, how they have achieved such heights. Recognise them. Respect them. You will establish your guru tattwa. Imbibe all the statutes within you, and be proud about it. Don’t be misguided by what people are talking, multitudes are talking. We are going to pull the whole multitude towards ourselves. First of all let us establish our weight, the gravity. As Mother Earth keeps pulling everybody towards Her, we’ll be pulling all of them to ourselves. Today all of you must, within yourself, to your Spirit, promise that you will be a guru, worthy of your Mother. May God bless you. Now for people who have come for the first time, they should know that puja is a thing not meant for everyone. Actually we do not get people here really…
7/28/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=1226	The Guru Principle	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	72	"The Guru Principle", Caxton Hall, London (UK), 28 July 1980. Yesterday I told you about the Void, the dharma, which one has to establish. In modern times, people have used their freedom to such an extent, you see, they have moved so much to this extreme or to that extreme. They have left their central path and have accepted and identified themselves with such an extreme ideas about everything, that it is rather difficult to convince people that they have lost their way. All extremes are wrong. Moderation is the way we really solve the problem. But human race is such that everybody starts running very fast, you see, and there’s a competition set in: who goes first to hell. [Laughter, She laughs] It’s not only in one direction, you can take up any direction, but all these directions are linear. They move straightforward and coil back and go down – any movement of that kind. For example take our, say, industrial development. We started our industrial development without understanding the whole, the world as a whole, that the whole world was created by God, not a part, one country. Without understanding the relationship with the whole, when we start moving industrially, we created industries, and to pamper them we had to create other industries. Then also to keep the hungry machines working out, we had to feed them with something. And thus we created a horrible system of extracting things from the Mother Earth, using them. We have so many things, but we do not have the thing which is your Spirit. We never thought that, after all, all this matter is for what? All these things are for what? For comfort? That also, if not done in moderation, we are going to be ruined, completely ruined. We’ll become like worms. The Mother Earth is available to you, that doesn’t mean that you should be indiscriminate and use it for your comfort. She’s there for your comfort, no doubt, She’s the comforting element we have got, the greatest comforting element. But we do not know how to use Her for our comfort. The way we use Her is by taking out, extracting Her. Now if I say that, the other extreme would be: “We’ll have no possessions, nothing, live, hang by the string, some shoestring somewhere”. [She laughs] There are people who believe in such a thing also, who want to live on a shoestring and have all kinds of diseases, physical, mental, because they are living abnormally, in such a way that they do not relate themselves to the Mother Earth at all. Either you abstract completely whatever She has, or take away all Her flesh, blood, everything, and otherwise you have nothing to do. These are two extremes! And once you start doing like that, you find that you become slave to both ways, because you start forming habits with the help of this matter. Habit formation is slavery, complete slavery, even a habit formation like fasting. Now some people have to fast. Who has asked them to fast I don’t know. What is the need to fast for people who are already suffering from liver troubles and thin like sticks? It’s all right, somebody has to fast because, supposing he has too much weight, or say they want some rest to the stomach, is all right. But this fasting also can become such a habit, such a habit, that the day you do not fast you’ll say, “Oh! You have done the greatest crime on the Earth. Oh God, I did not fast on Thursday, I should have fasted.” In India we get so many mad people like that. [Laughter] They go crazy because they have not fasted. There are some who get crazy because they have not eaten their food. I mean they are all right, but if they have not taken their lunch, for them it’s the greatest injury, the greatest injustice done to them that they have not been able to take their lunch. The matter starts enslaving you and your mind becomes a slave of that matter. You do not know in what way this Mother Earth, which is there to give you the ultimate, She’s the one who resides within you at the Mooladhara Chakra to give you the innocence. She gives you the innocence. Instead of taking that essence of Hers, the innocence, what you take is the matter which is dead. The living principle of Mother Earth is innocence, Her magnetism, Her gravity. Instead of that, what do you take out of Her is this matter. Either you run away from it, or you run towards it. Nothing in between. Now matter is there for you to use, no doubt; but to use so that you do not get dominated by it, because you are the supreme thing God has created. You are the supreme-most thing; all the elements are working in you. There’s no animal in the world who has all these elements working in such a beautiful fashion that you develop your own will, your own freedom. It’s such a intricate process which has worked out a human being, which we don’t realize, where you develop your own will, your own freedom. But again, with your own will what do you do is to lose your freedom all the time. For example, take a person who indulges in luxuries. I mean he is idiotic sometimes, I mean he really becomes an idiot the way he goes on. I mean you can see that he’s an idiot and stupid fellow. The another one, he will say that this luxury is – indulgence fellow is very, very idiotic and stupid you can see. So he says, “All right, let me give it up.” He goes to another extreme, to such an extreme that he becomes a dry person, absolutely dry. The innocence is in the centre. For example, the best use of the Mother Earth is to watch Her working. Watch the nature. Watch every tree, what beautiful personality every tree has. Every leaf of the tree stands against the sky. I mean it’s such a poetry to feel Her with your feet. How soft She is when She produces flowers for you. You have to learn so much from what She does. She creates a flower to emit fragrance, to give, to give, to give. She just gives. Her innocence doesn’t bother as to what you are, whether you deserve it or not, whether you are a good person or a bad person or what use you are going to put Her resources, She just gives. She doesn’t judge you. Nirvaj – it flows. The capital flows without any interest. It just goes on flowing and flowing and that’s the word of nirvaj is. It doesn’t think to whom She is giving to, whether they deserve it or not, if they are sinners or they are this or that. But now it is for you to use your wisdom. And She has created this deity [Ganesha] of wisdom within you, and you have to keep that deity awakened. He came, incarnated on this Earth as Jesus Christ. Look at Him. Look at His life. How He lived. He was a carpenter’s son; He lived like a carpenter’s son. He didn’t amass money. And what a dynamic life in thirty years of His age! What a dynamic life, out of which He spent only four years in the public. With all our indulgences and with all our comforts, with all our movements and aeroplanes and all this, how many there are who have created such a dynamic life? What dynamism have we been able to show, the dynamism of the Mother Earth. “We must have this, we must have that, we must get this, we must enjoy this,” All right. But what is the ultimate? I mean how much we have been able to absorb it and what have we - giving others, what is our fruit of this tree that we are? The reason is, we have lacked wisdom. He was wisdom. He is the One who emits wisdom, who balances our ego, superego, everything. You know where He stands, that Deity. But the people who followed Him, or who called themselves Christians, where is the wisdom gone? Wisdom is one thing lacking in all of them. What is the reason? Because we just thought that He was crucified because He was a poor Man? Or I don’t know what we thought of Him. I can’t understand human beings, what is the lesson we have taken from His life? And the Christian nations have advanced so much materially. Can you imagine? They do not know that poverty is such a blissful thing sometimes. And then now a reaction has started. I’m sure reaction will also take you to another extreme, you’ll miss the point. It’s like a madman running to one end and when he goes from there he runs to another end. Have you ever seen a wild boar running? Have you ever seen a wild boar running? You see, it’s very easy to get out of the way of a wild boar because he just runs straightforward, till he meets some opposition. Straightforward. He wouldn’t see this side, that side. If you can just keep away from the line from where he’s moving he will not hit you. Then again he comes back in the same way. Goes this way, comes back. [Laughter]That is our movement has been about ourselves. What have we done out of our life? Let’s see. While we are capable, we are the seeds which are going to render the real fruits. We are capable, you know now that. And that is why first of all we have done the greatest harm to ourselves by ruining all our sustenance within ourselves. As I told you the other day in the lecture, that how we have to maintain our sustenance. I hope it was not too much for you to - if you feel that I was trying to tell the people also they say, a group of people who think this is all conditioning. Actually, we are so confused in modern times about everything. Supposing a plane has to take off, all its parts are to be in a proper proportion, are to be tied together to the main body. Otherwise everything will go helter-skelter, isn’t it? Now if you have to jump into your unconscious, all your parts of the being should be attached to the gravity of the body, to your sustenance, otherwise you’ll go helter-skelter. Will you say that a - putting the plane in that way is conditioning it, for its freedom? You have much more freedom when it is properly done. A person who is properly prepared for this flight, has much more freedom than people who think that one nose is lying this, and ears are lying on the other side, then eyes are going on the other side, his mind is going on the third side, his stomach is going on the other side. [Laughter] Here he is listening to Me and he’s thinking of his food. His eyes are looking at something else. His feet are moving. He’s jumpy. There’s no proper binding. And that’s why the conditioning has a word in Sanskrit language as samskara. Samskar. Now “sam” means “good, beautiful,” or you can say “which are good to your Spirit.” Even to add to that they can say “susamskara,” means “good conditionings,” where you are to be chiselled out. And in that chiselling, if you understand it is for not only your good, but for your flight, then you do not give everything to the winds. And this is the biggest mistake we have committed, when we started on the flight of our freedom. How can you have your freedom when you are bound by everything? You must go to the pub in the evening. You must go for your dancing [Laughter]. You must see a friend who smokes and must smoke with him. You have to attend a party where you have to drink. You must sleep at some particular time. Because you cannot sleep, so you must take pills. You have to have girlfriends or boyfriends, spend money on their – I don’t know what you call – dates, and things like that. I mean, how frivolous the whole thing sounds to Me. Same thing in India. I mean they have other frivolities. But when you understand through your Self Realization your self-esteem, then you try to think: “Then what have I done of my life?” You are like diamonds thrown into dust. You must find out your relative relationship with all these useless things where the money is wasted, you are frittered away, your time is wasted, everything wasted, just find out. Once you discover that, then you start detaching yourself from that. But first and foremost thing I’m sorry to say – it is may call conditioning or anything – are these important things are, ten things I told you the other time. Now all the gurus, all the gurus who came, say from we can start from Socrates, then Abraham, Moses – this is the Guru Tattwa, is the principle of master, primordial masters. The principle is born again and again. In India we can say the Adi Nath, we had one Adi Nath, the Guru long time back. Then we had Dattatreya, we had Janaka, Nanaka, Sai Nath. We had in the Middle East Mohammed Sahib, Lao Tse in China, Confucius – all these great Principles of Gurus who were born, they had one job to do is to establish your dharma. Their job was not to give you Realization, you must understand, everyone has one’s own job. See Mine is a horrible job [She laughs] because I have to do everybody’s jobs. But Their job was just to establish your dharma. They came at that time, in those places where it was needed the most. So these ten principles as I told you, They established. They are created in the Void, as you see here the Void part, this part is made out of the water element. So whatever miracles They did, had something to do with water, like They could create water anywhere they wanted to. They would not cure people. All of Them have created water in the desert or in the places where …like in … Nanaka has created a Panja Sahab they call it, everywhere They have been able to create water. Whatever They touched, They could create water out of it. Water is the life, life force which sustains us; without water we cannot live, that is the sustenance. But, They actually are symbolized in an ocean, in the ocean, because They give us the salt, the salt of life, which gives us the sustenance. If you see the salt, if we do not have salt in our body, we’ll have no sustenance. Christ has said, “You are the salt.” Who are these “you”? Are the people whom I was facing yesterday and today. You are the gurus of today. But see with how many powers you have come. Just think of it. These Gurus did not have to give Realization. You can raise the Kundalini, you can give Realization, you can cure people. Today Djamel asked Me that: “Mother did They have the powers to cure?” I said, “Powers They might have, but They’d never use that power because They were not supposed to do; They were just to sustain and imbibe these great principles.” They did cures, specially the last Guru was Sai Nath, He did cure people. But Djamel himself has cured a lady who was dying, absolutely. Doctors had given up hopes and he cured her. Now she is out and she’s gone to India. Just think of it, that you have all the powers of these gurus, though – though in dharma you are still failing. You are not absolute. You have to get it corrected, your dharmas are to be corrected. Now what is dharma within us, is our attention. As our attention is, you can make out the dharma of a person. Religion doesn’t convey that word. Dharma means the one which sustains you, "Dharayeti sa dharma", the one which sustains you. Your dharma is the way your attention is. To have a complete balanced attention is just like the aeroplane, completely balanced and fully developed. If you have an imbalance in your dharma, the first and foremost thing is fanaticism. If you are a fanatic, then you are the greatest adharmi ever born. Dharma is balancing. First and foremost is to know that all the dharmas belong to one lotus: Nabhi. Nabhi has got ten petals and these ten petals are the ten sustenance within us. If you see that the Nabhi has got ten petals – Nabhi center, the solar plexus, which manifests all of solar plexus. And if your, these ten sustenance are correct, your attention will be so balanced. Unless and until a flower is balanced it is not going to blossom out into a fruit. First is the balance. All fanaticism of any kind, of condemning any religion or any incarnation is against dharma. That gives you an imbalance. That means you have not understood the essence of dharma because you are blind. To say that there’s something wrong with what Christ has preached is as wrong as saying that there’s something wrong what Moses has preached, or Dattatreya has preached, or Nanaka has preached. Actually, Mohammed Sahib thought that He has said whatever was necessary, so that there is no need for Him to come back. But when He saw these horrible fanatics, even today they are, He thought, “Baba, better let Me take again the birth, what to do now with these madcaps? The thing that I preached, they are just going against it. Because I said I will not come, so they are becoming such fanatics.” He had to take His birth because, you see, human beings are such foolish things that these incarnations don’t know what to do. You don’t know how they will behave! So He took His birth again as Nanaka on this Earth, and His own daughter, Adi Shakti, was born as His sister. What Nanaka was preaching throughout and throughout was this: that Hindu and Muslims are the same in the eyes of God, and that you all combine together and become one. If there is anything that He has taught or Kabira has taught is this and this and this. But look at the Sikhs, the way they fight the Muslims; and look at the way the Muslims fight the Sikhs in India. We have created two nations out of it. Imagine! What He preached is just the opposite people are doing about it. How do you explain I don’t understand. I mean when somebody has said, “This is light,” how do you make it darkness I can’t understand. This is the speciality of human beings, is to create darkness out of light. Now this dharma that They preached, is preached by all of Them, and They have been particularly against all that goes against awareness, because if your attention is not all right your awareness will not be all right. And so They were very anxious – all throughout, all of Them – that They preached that don’t take anything that will reduce your awareness. That’s why They were against alcoholism, They were against drugs and things like that. There were no cigarettes at the times perhaps, when Mohammed Sahib came in, so He didn’t say, “Don’t take any cigarettes,” because cigarettes came later on. But Nanaka said, “No cigarettes at all.” Now you are finding out that cigarette causes cancer. “It only causes cancer, it’s all right, doesn’t matter, because cancer – at the most the body will die again you’ll be born again. Doesn’t matter.” It’s not that. That creates a problem in the Vishuddhi, so bad that you cannot get your Realization so many of you, takes time, and your poor Mother has to work for your cigarette enjoyment for days together. I’ve worked very hard, you know that. Then the drug people. They have enjoyed their drugs very nicely. They have been taking drugs, you see, enjoying themselves, going high, or whatever they call it. Ask Me. How much I had to work, with tears in My eyes because I know you are saints, you are meant to be higher people, and how much I had to struggle to get you out. Can you imagine, for four years I was struggling with six hippies in London [laughter]. Six only. And first lot came to Me who were really pleased, they had done a good job out of themselves. The only advantage was they had taken LSD and all that so they were on supraconscious level, and they could see only light coming out of Me, they saw all supraconscious things, lights and things and all that, so they stuck on to Me. Or I stuck on to them, all right, but they also stuck on to Me. Today they are one of the best Sahaja Yogis we have here. They are the topmost Sahaja Yogis. They are the most beautiful Sahaja Yogis we can say, because they were saints I could see their Spirit shining. I could not lose that sight, worked very hard for them. They are saints. They got lost into drugs because they thought they are seeking. They did not do it out of fashion. In India you see, when the Indian young people see you taking drugs, they think, “Oh must be something great.” You see, it’s very fashionable nowadays in India for young people to take drugs and wear jeans. They think by that they are getting sophisticated [laughter]. But they don’t know why you did it, they really do not know. They don’t know that you did it in seeking. They are such foolish Indians, you see, that they are doing it because they think that it’s very fashionable, you know. Everybody will call them “up-to-date” [laughter]. They don’t know why you left your homes, why you became like this. They don’t know the deeper side of your life, they just see superficially. And it’s very common now in the universities and things, this has started in a big way. But they are no good for Sahaja Yoga, useless people trying to copy. How can they copy your seeking, that depth? That’s why these people were very much against all those things that dulls your awareness. Even now I have seen people who have been taking drugs and all that, in Sahaja Yoga. As soon as they see Me they start, “haah,” sleeping. They go into sleep. Because immediately, as soon as you start taking these drugs or all these alcohols, you move towards your left side, or to your right side. Mostly to your left side. Alcohol specially, left side. By moving your left side, you see, you go into your collective subconscious, you cross over to your Ida Nadi and goes beyond your subconscious into collective subconscious. You become very non-aggressive, no doubt. It is also because of too much of consciousness that you are egoistical, you have started doing this. You thought that “Oh, our ego is too much.” You can’t see your ego, so you said, “No, let’s have some drinks.” By that you go on the other side. When you start moving too much towards the left you know what happens: you get possessed, because there are satanic forces let loose, you get caught up. Now when you come to Sahaja Yoga after that, you are always dragged, you always feel the heaviness at the back, all of you. Left Agnya, not the right – superego. You feel very sleepy; you feel like crying, weeping all the time; you feel very much frightened; you cannot take any decision; any question comes in, any problem comes in you shudder. It’s an escape, escape from reality. Say the reality is in this room, if you run away from this room, this way or that way, you are running away from reality. I would say, after war, so many people died, perhaps, perhaps, who were dissatisfied souls and in a very bad condition. Hitler was a satan, real satan, and all these forces were let loose later on by these gurus or whatever it is, and they captured you, perhaps, that you took to these things. These are extremely injurious to our being. I went once to Trichu. They had invited Me and all these people came in big cars to receive Me, I was quite surprised that seldom – Sahaja Yogis are never very well-off people I mean, to that extent that you’ll have cars after cars. I said, “What business do you do all of you?” They said, “You see, actually we are all people growing tobacco.” And I said, “Very nice.” They are growing now, you see, not only eating but growing also. And I said… In their houses you’ll be surprised, they had tiles made in England, they had taps made in England. All these ancient things that you have had which you treat as antiques today, they all had everything with them made in England [laughter]. I said, “Made in England. How do you get all these things in here?” The things you do not have here they had it there. I said, “How did you get it?” He said, “We are exporting tobacco to England.” I said, “Very nice, what a nice work you are doing, exporting tobacco to England.” I said, “Don’t you think it is sinful to do like this? Don’t you know as Indians that tobacco is against religion?” He says, “We know but we don’t take. And if you give it to others [laughter], then it’s nothing wrong.” It’s like a person who owns all the race course says, “I never see. I never put my money on a horse. I just collect. I’ve never seen a race course.” That sort of a person, that sort of a, attitude they had. So I said, “Very nice. You are exporting all your tobacco to England.” I told them, “Don’t do it. You are very near the sea, and sea is the guru, he will teach you a lesson of the worst type. I’m telling you today, now it is in the attention of the sea. Believe Me. Remove this. Do not send any tobacco. Do not grow, you can …” They said, “What should we grow?” I said, “You can grow very good cotton”. There were three-four people who took Me seriously. They said, “All right, Mother, we will grow cotton.” And they really started making a big money because they produced very long threads, just like Egyptian cotton they started doing. The rest of them didn’t like Me. They didn’t thank Me, they didn’t come to see Me off at the station – all their cars were just fizzled out. I thought I had to take a taxi to go the station now [laughter, She laughs]. But can you imagine, within one year’s time, there was a typhoon. And there was another thing going on. These people were exporting this to England, and selling tobacco, the… you see the cheap type tobacco, you see whatever are the remains, the molasses you can call it, they were selling it to the poor people; and poor people were taking that very concentrated, eating that. So they took to black magic spiritualism. All of them were doing black magic. In their small little huts they were sitting doing black magic – can you imagine? – in their villages doing black magic. And the sea got so angry with the typhoon. You might have heard about the big floods in that area. I must warn Brighton people [laughter]. The sea is taking a respite now, you just see that, because you are insulting the sea, all the time you are insulting him. This holiday-making now – it’s a disease with the western people. Holiday. There’s a girl in Sahaja Yoga, her sister also comes sometime, she was to have a baby, she is a lady doctor, sister – she has gone for a holiday, without any heart. She had a caesarean, can you imagine? All the Sahaja Yogis putting all their attention to the birth of the child, and this lady has very nicely gone for a holiday because holiday she must have. You see without holiday, she is nowhere. It’s all programmed; you must go for a holiday. What have you achieved by going to holidays I would like to know, what wisdoms? Except for sitting in the sun, getting a skin disease, and a skin cancer for Me to cure. What is the need to go in the sun such a lot I don’t understand. What are you achieving? Your healths are going from bad to worse. Your forefathers had much better health than you people have. Despite all these health things you are doing, what is your health? Your livers are out. If you… That’s nice, I’m happy the sun is coming, now you’ll give up your alcohol. Let the sun scorch you, then you’ll give up your alcohol. Otherwise you will not. Here, you go in the sun, sit there, take all the alcohols there, drink all wine – in the presence of the sea. No wonder all these oil tankers are breaking there and spoiling your health resorts. That will happen. You have no consideration for the sea is there, is your guru and you are drinking like mad. Nude women sitting down there tanning themselves. What’s this nonsense going on? I mean I don’t understand what is the need to tan your body like this? Who has told you that you look beautiful? You look ghastly with that. I really tell you, you look ghastly. Here you are discriminating on racial points [laughter], saying that people are dark, why are you darkening yourself I can’t understand, what is the wisdom [laughter, She laughs]? You know going to the other extreme. All right, once in a while you sit in the sun, do something, is all right. But what is the need for you to be so extremely concerned about your holidaying, and in the holiday drink, fight with wife, come back and have a divorce. Always after a holiday, the after-effects of the alcohol you can see very clearly. In India, thank God we do not go out for holidays at all, we don’t believe in holidaying, at all! At the most if you have to go somewhere, we go to some festival or to somebody’s marriage or something; if there is an occasion only then we move out of the houses, we are gruhasthas, we settle in the family, gruhasthas who stays in the gruha, householders. We are not like vagabond gypsies all the time moving about. It’s all right once in a while, just to enjoy a picnic or something. I mean you are not scouts all your life. Yes, it’s so maddening, you don’t know. My husband’s office there are two great executives, British, they cycle down to the office. It looks so odd, you know, with half-pants [laughter]. With such a big office, how will it look, two half-pant people coming down, with a half-pant and perspiring and smelling and everything. It is absurd! [Laughter] But there is something behind this all-frantic effort, is you are seeking something. Some people think that by going to holidays you will achieve something. I mean music, what have you achieved in music now, I don’t understand. By going to these holidays, if you have achieved this kind of music which shatters every part of your skin, I mean when I hear it, you know, the whole vibrations go on, jamming into it (?). And your bad livers, think of that at least, bad livers, your skin diseases, your skin cancers. All this in the presence of the guru, the sea. Can you imagine? There is no auspiciousness in this, you do not understand. The sea is to be worshipped. It’s a temple. It teaches you, it has given you such a lot. Think of the sea, what it has given you. Without the sea, what would have been your condition? In England specially. It taught you challenge, it gave you ideas how to go abroad, it has given you such a lot. All your wealth comes from sea and what are you doing about your Lakshmi? And do you know, the Lakshmi Tattwa which resides in the centre, is born out of the sea. Actually he is your grandfather. Do you have any respect for him? So much to learn, from the sea, from the guru. It never leaves its boundaries. It keeps to that. If you try to press the sea from one side it will show on the other side, somewhere. Such a huge thing, it gets all the water from all over the world, but it keeps its boundaries. It never crosses it, unless and until you press it. That’s the sign of a magnanimous great personality: it keeps its boundaries - I mean, so far and not that - The dignity of it is - I don’t know if there’s a word like maryada in English language - is the boundaries of decency and decorum. Then it gives you the rain. It gives you the basis of your food. Sea is the father. And where do they meet, really in the most beautiful way, the sea and the Mother Earth? They meet at the Sahasrara on the Himalayas where all the clouds freeze and cover completely the Mother Earth, where there is snow all over, on the Alps. It’s complete purity. These are too subtle things for people who are not seeking, but I’m talking to seekers. You have to be subtler people to understand the beauty of the sea, its poetry of a guru. When it roars, you see, the roaring of the sea challenges you: “Come up my child, come up my disciple, come up, come along.” To Me sea is like a father. I’ve traveled by sea so much, so much. And anytime I have traveled it has carried Me like a very gentle mother. Never a bad weather, such a nice weather. Always. It’s so kind, it’s so kind to Me. Once I was coming from Japan and they said, “There are typhoons coming.” Five typhoons were coming. They never touched My ship. Nowhere. People were amazed. And we were coming to Bombay from Colombo, when we turned round it was monsoon. They said, “Now.” The captain was quite amazed, you see. He said, “But now, you cannot help it. The wind will go in the other direction and we are going to have a bad time.” But what a smooth lake, just like a mirror, beautiful! Just like a gentle mother. It carried Me on its sari I felt. So beautiful. And such a sea you insult, because you are ignorant, because you are blind. I wish the sea forgives you, but gurus do not forgive easily. Mother is different. Gurus are hard taskmasters, you see. They normally do not forgive you. Now you have heard about Ravi Shankar who is a great musician who plays sitar. I know when he was studying in - he was in the beginning a student of Allauddin Khasa. Allauddin Khasa was a Realized soul, a great man, a genius, a genius he was. Absolutely a real guru, you should say. He never drank. And he was a Muslim but a worshipper of Kali, you see, and all that. And he used to call Me “Ma.” Mother. I was with My father who was the political adviser to that State, Maihar [Madhya Pradesh]. I mean you could see he was really so subtle in everything! And he used to play that big drum which he said the best is produced in Maihar, that’s why he settled down there, what we call is the “pakhawaj” is the very big drum, you see. He used to play tremendously. He used to just go on into such echoes and beautiful rendering. And he was a master of so many things like sarod – his son himself is Ali Akbar Khan Sahib. His daughter Annapurna is a great singer and all that. And I remember Allauddin, when we went there, he used to respect My father very much and - also because My father was a great connoisseur of music and a Realized soul himself, a great man. So, once he was going to play the pakhawaj and Ravi Shankar was also sitting there you see, hiding his face on the sides. So when he had played his pakhawaj, My father said: “Why don’t you also play some sitar to me, I would like to see how much you have learned.” He said: “No, no, sir, not today, not today.” So then he went inside, for something – the guru. He [Ravi] said: “See, are you going to see here something?” He [father] said: “What?” “Big lump, you see, was here”, he said: “He has broken my sitar on my head today because I played two notes wrongly. See sir.” [Laughter] That was the thing. The gurus are very, very, strict people, they have to be. And the way they used to treat the disciples. It’s not like this. The gurus you know are the gurus who are trying to pamper your ego. Why? Because they want your purse. They don’t want to enlighten you. They say, “All right, what, you drink? All right, doesn’t matter. I can give you more. Whatever you want I’ll give you. Just pass the purse this side, that’s all. Why do you want to have these, metal, this… some metal-like, metallic things like a, say a Rolls Royce? What’s the use, this metal thing? You pass it over to me. I’ll look after it. What is the need for you to have possessed this grand palace? Pass it over to me. I’ll look after – you must give up everything for me. I’ll enlighten you.” Even if you may have palaces and anything, the real guru will not look at your face. He never hankers after people, never. That’s the sign of a real guru: that he doesn’t hanker after you: “Come along to me, come along to me. All right, how many people are coming? Now have an organization and run a big mission about it.” And then the people are coming and write your names and you become the members of the society and all that. A real guru will sit in some odd place, where you have to go seven miles up, walking, falling, somewhere hidden, and there you go and you find he’s not there. [Laughter]You break your legs on the way. [Shri Mataji laughs, laughter] But they know so many things. According to them, you are not to be treated that kindly. And they tell Me that “Mother, what is Your whim?”. And “We can’t understand. For us, we had to work so hard to get these vibrations.” One gentleman has told that: “I was a frog. Since then I’ve been seeking. And I’ve spent how many years I don’t know, so many thousand years to get vibrations, while Mother has just given you like this! What is your speciality? Are you going to give your life for Mother?” And all sort of questions. [She laughs] So I asked him: “Why did you tell them? I don’t want their life. What’s the use of their life? I want their Spirit.” He said, “But why these?” I said, “Are you jealous?” [Laughter] They say that “Mother, You carry on with them. We can’t face this, human beings are horrible.” And I’ve told you that I asked one person to go to America, he ran away, within two days. Within two days. He would not face Americans – the real ones. The unreal ones are very nice, you see. There’s mutual understanding going on. So these hard taskmasters are so beautiful. From outside they look so harsh. Inside, they are so beautiful. You must know how to please them. For example, I went to see one guru once and all the boys were against it. He said, “Mother, we don’t believe in any guru, why are you going to see?” I said, “I don’t believe in any guru, who told you? I believe in all the gurus. I don’t believe in the agurus.” I said, “You see the vibrations.” We had to climb up and this and that, and we went down there. And it was raining heavily, very heavily. And the guru was very angry he was sitting there, because he could control water, I told you. He could control rain, you know. So when I went up he was doing like this, very angry. He wouldn’t even look at Me. I went and sat down, all drenched in water with that rain. He said, “Why did You not allow me to stop the rain, is it because of my ego that You wanted to punish me? I didn’t want You to get drenched when You are coming to see me.” What a great thing. I mean he talked to Me as if he knew Me, you see, the way he talked. He said, “Not even my gurus and gurus never had such an opportunity that You are coming to see me, and I was just prepared here, and here You are coming all drenched. What a shame for me I could not control this rain. It’s all Your doing Mother, why did You do it?” I said, “Should I tell you why I did it?” He said, “Why?” I said, “You see, you have bought a sari for Me, isn’t it? And I would not take a sari from a sanyasi; but if I get drenched, then I’ll have to take.” [Laughter] The whole thing melted away. The whole thing, the whole temper, everything melted away. It was so sweet, you know, so sweet. There was an artist with Me, who has done the painting. So beautiful, showing the love, you see. He just fell at My Feet. He said, “Mother, people have praised You. What words should I use to praise You?” I said, “Nothing. Your sari, you bring it for Me. First of all, I must wear your sari, I’m all drenched.” So happy. It’s so beautiful the whole thing. This is what it is. You all have to be the gurus. I know, first thing you learn is to be very, great hard taskmasters, to begin with. That you should not do. You have to be hard taskmaster with yourself. And then, as your Mother, Who is your Guru, is very sweet and tolerant, very kind, extremely patient. You have to deal with people like that. Because we are not dealing with people who are seekers of that quality, who will do anything to get to God. We are dealing with people who are confused, absolutely confused. They are saints, but they are confused. See, people come to our program, disappear. They’ll get their Realization and disappear. Then you have to give them bandhans, this thing. You see, they are still confused. And there are so many gurus who are acting, there are so many things that are happening, so we cannot be aggressive with them. We have to be very patient, and we have to think about our past, how we came to Mother, how She had to convince us, how much we argued with Her, what all we did. So these people are coming, let us try to be kind to them and talk to them, and tell in a way which is congenial, which is beautiful. Not like those gurus because they had only one guru, and one disciple, do you know that? The relationship was only one plus one. And that one also used to come down, many-a-times. Like one person I know, whom I met, he’s told Me, “I have only one disciple and I’ve given him up. He’s thrown in the sea, he’s useless.” I said, “What happened?” He said, “I trained him up for twenty-five years and he’s a good-for-nothing fellow. Now he’s having a nice time, earning money. He’s a Realized soul, just imagine. And he’s having a nice time and he’s making money out of it. This is the last story I’ll tell you.” I said, “All right, where is he?” He told Me his name, this Maharaj. I said, “All right, I’ll see him, don’t you worry.” And when this fellow came in Bombay, one lady telephoned to Me, “Mother, you wanted to meet this Maharaji, he’s coming to my house.” I said, “All right, tell him I’m coming to see him.” I went down to see him, he was smoking cigarettes like this, sitting like this. “Oh Mataji has come, very nice” and all that. He, of course, I mean he touched My feet like this, “All right, sit down.” And there were ladies pressing his feet and all that and he was talking to them very… trying to show lot of arrogance in My presence. I was just looking at him. Then he said, “Oh. So, my guru comes to see You in Bombay. Why is he leaving his place? Why should he do this?”. And all sorts of thing he was talking, against his guru. I said, “All right, now I’m going, but I will put some sindoor on your head, just to put a tilak on your head,” I said. So I took some sindoor, put it on his head; Agnya Chakra I moved it. Then I said, “Now you put.” When he start put… I sucked his hand, you see completely, and he started, “Ahee-hee-hee-hee-hee he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he.” He said, “Mother, Mother what are You doing, what are You doing?” I said, “What am I doing? Will you please take back all the words you have said about your guru? You have no shame. Twenty-five years that man worked on you and you’re bringing all the shame here. Will you remove your hand?” He said, “I can’t, I can’t, I can’t! What are You doing to me?” I said, “Unless and until you promise that you will not say a word against your guru and hold your ears, with the another hand, or with your legs [She laughs], then only I’ll leave you.” (Laughter) He said, “I’m sorry, I’m sorry, You will drop…?” Now the others didn’t see all this conversation, you see, they just saw his shaking, you see. When I went away he said, “See, how powerful I am? See.” [Laughter] Fools as they were, they never realized that he was shaking, and what shaking means, you see? And he made such a fool out of them. He took from everyone, one and a quarter tola [ed: tola is an old Indian weight equal to 180 grains, 0.375 troy ounces.] gold, you see, as a dakshina, guru dakshina, and said that “See, even Mataji – I was getting all Her powers into me, sucking all Her Powers into me.” [Laughter] And these fools believed him, you see. And then one of them met Me at the airport and she told Me that “He’s taken away so much money from us. That day only he made us pay for one and a quarter tola gold for the guru dakshina.” I said, “All right, I’ll see him one day, again.” But all of them were doomed like that. So, this is what it is. And he’s so attractive to people, you know. And then he was sitting on a very big thing and the thousands are approaching him, there. But then I did some arrangements. Now he’s all right, in the jail, direct [laughter]. In the jail, direct. That’s what it is. But we had one Sahaj Yogini like this. She got her Realization and I told her, “Your guru was no good and you don’t take anything from him, because he’ll try to give you some siddhis and you will try to impress people.” She said, “No, no Mother, I want the parama, I want the last, the absolute, I don’t want all that.” Because her guru used to carry some snakes around and do all kinds of tricks you see, go into tantrums. When I went to America, I heard about her, that she’s having three thousand disciples; I never had them in Bombay that time. I used to hardly get about two hundred people somehow or other sticking on to this… thing. I said, “Three thousand. What is she doing?” I got really worried you know; I put her into bandhan and everything. But when I came back, you won’t believe, she had silver water carriers you see, these pitchers, she brought to wash My Feet and this. I was so embarrassed, so embarrassed. And she showed Me, “See Mother, what work I’m doing.” Such a big photograph of Mine there, put, and all the bhoots around. I could see all them hovering, you see, all of them. [Laughter] I said, “What is she doing? What work has she been doing and what is she up to? Because she’s completely gone darkened and haunted.” I asked her, “What are you doing with these people?” “Oh Mother, you don’t know. I’ve spread Your name there. I can even tell people if they have lost their property somewhere, wherever is the hidden money, or I tell so many things…. I can even tell the name of the horse which is going to come first.” [Laughter] I said, “Very nice. What a nice Sahaj Yoga is going on here,” you see? So I told her, “All right, you come and see Me tomorrow at home.” She came down. I had two-three people sitting, I said, “All right, tell about them.” She said, “You live near a bridge.” He said, “No, never, I live near a sea. How can you bridge a sea?” Then she said this, that. He said, “No, nothing.” Then she told another lady. She said, “Nothing.” Third person said, “Nothing, this is not true. You are just telling something that is not true.” So she rushed to Me, “Mother, have You taken away all my powers?” [Laughter] I said, “If they were your powers I would have made you sit here. These are the powers of the devil. What interest God has got to tell that ‘What is the horse coming,’ and all that? [Laughter] Why should you tell all these things? These are not your powers, these are the powers of the spirits which are haunting you, and which you have captured, and your guru is doing all this job.” “Oh God, I never knew.” I said, “It is that. All right, say that ‘I give up. I give up.’ Say it thrice.” She said, “All right, I’ll say, Mother. I want the parama, I want the absolute”. She went home, but you know this popularity, this cheap popularity, is a very enticing thing. She again carried on, and now she is in the lunatic asylum. This is what it is. Because these spirits which help you, come back on you and torture you. So all those people who try to deviate, even after Realization, are corrected by the principle of guru only. With the principle of Agnya, you give Realization, enlightenment. With the principle of Sahasrara you give integration, but with the principle of guru you give them dharma. That’s why so many people, all of you who came to Me, have very easily given up all these habits, because you have found the Spirit, the joy. And then you don’t want all that. I don’t have to tell you that you have to give up, you just give up, you just forget it, because your attention is now attached to your Spirit. That is the job of a guru. It is said that: “Guru is that which makes you meet the Sahib.” Means: “makes you meet the Lord.” He’s the guru. Otherwise all these are not gurus. But the one who has not even settled your dharmas, who does not have his own dharmas, how can you accept them as gurus? May God bless you all. [Start of 3: informal talk to seekers] Shri Mataji [about a young child]: This is a born Realized child. [Shri Mataji laughs] Hello, how are you? Hum, what are they catching? He is showing from his feet. All over right side Sahasrara. Right side Sahasrara means what? Superego. It comes to the right [of the brain]. All feeling the heaviness on the right side, the little child is showing. They are working, they are busy all the time. All the time they are busy. Gavin’s child’s such a little thing… all the time. [Laughter, She laughs] Trying to clear you out – great people they are. All the time they are working. That’s why I want you all to get married soon, with so many great children are to be born to you. All right, I can make it cool for you, it’s all right, don’t you worry. [Laughter] You have to think of the Moon who is your maternal uncle. He was born with Lakshmi. There are fourteen things that were born from the sea. One of them is also a hunter. The stick Gregoire gave Me yesterday was also, came out of the sea. That was the fourteenth thing. Better now? Now, those who have come for the first time should come forward, you see, it’s better in the forward line somewhere, would be better and the second line could be - it’s all right. These people have come for the first time, all of you? All right, can you come on these first three lines, all right. Now who else is there? Please, come forward. As you know, Sahaja Yoga is a very subtle thing and the main thing is it must work, it must actualize, the Kundalini must rise. You must get your Realization, that’s the main concern is. Whatever you may say, whatever your arguments may be or any problems may be, we are not bothered about that. What we are bothered about: that you should meet yourself. That’s the main point we are at, and that’s what we have to achieve. Now the problems arise out of our imbalances in life and so many things. Whatever it is, still, the force is so great, that you will get your Realization. Why I’m telling you? That I find people, once they get their Realization, they think it’s done now, we are happy, then they don’t come. It’s just the germination has taken place, the Kundalini has shot off, because She’s been waiting all these days, you see, so the whole thing comes up as a big experience. But that doesn’t mean that you have established it. So the second thing you have to do is to establish, that’s very important. Much more important than getting Realization I feel, because the Realization, if it takes place and it falls down, then what’s the use? So you take your Realization, which you’ll get, no doubt about it, because you all look that way. But, then you must have self-esteem and understand that you have got it because you deserved it. Some people haven’t got it in India who have been with Me for seven years, but you’ll get it I’m sure. That I can see clearly, you are all going to get it. But that doesn’t mean if you get it, that you again waste it, because this is what you have been seeking all your lives. Because in the West the problem is: though such saints are born, they have this rambling of the brain and they start thinking. You do not get it through your rationality. You get it through your Kundalini, which you cannot think about. So you allow it to grow, manifest itself, and you become as good as others are. Now they are all experts and gurus, you know, they know such a lot about Kundalini. You’ll be amazed, they are all experts, they look just like you! They are raising Kundalini, they are giving Realization, they know everything about it. So in the same way, you have to be. It’s a very simple thing which takes place at any age, any time, any race, anything. The main thing is that you must have self-esteem, you must know that you are saints. You have been saints for years and you have been ages like this. You have been seeking and seeking and seeking. Now when you have found it, you allow it to grow, because it’s very important, and you must know your value. That is important. Because I value you, because I see something much deeper that you can’t see. But you don’t see that, gradually you’ll start seeing, all right? On this promise, I’ll give you Realization. Put your hands like this. Put both the feet on the ground, straight. Sometimes I find, you see I’ve worked very hard on people and they get lost, I feel very sorry for that. Left Swadishthana, you see [She laughs] – give him… Like a saint he’s sitting here, great guru. [About a child] Now put your hands towards Me, like this, and close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Now what happens is that first you become thoughtlessly aware, nirvichar samadhi. Samadhi means enlightened awareness. You get enlightened awareness which is thoughtless. You become thoughtlessly aware. First. And in the second happening, when it crosses the Agnya it happens to you, and when it crosses, pierces through this point called as taloo, the fontanel bone area, you start feeling the radiation of your Spirit in your hands, like vibrations. Are you feeling the cool breeze in your hands? Already you’ve got it! You haven’t. There’s a little problem. All right, watch Me here, little bit. There? Hm. Without thinking, just watch Me, it will work out. Whatever I’ve said, you forget it. You see, if you have taken drugs doesn’t matter, don’t worry. I can drink all that; just suck it out. Don’t you worry about all these things, forget, have no guilt of any kind, for heaven’s sake. I’m talking of Ocean of Love which is ocean. What guilt can you have? Just a speck. So please, do not have any guilt, on the contrary say to Me that “Mother, we are not guilty – I’m not guilty.” In your heart, just say that. That’s the only catching point in you. It’s a fashion also, these days, to feel guilty about anything. Now close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Know that you are not guilty at all, that you are very beautiful. Right to the left. Move right to the – keep your eyes…. are you feeling? It will work out. Just let it be, let it be, you see, let it go, let it go. Close your eyes. You must get it. Not to get upset with yourself. Are you criticizing yourself? Are you? Seeker: Just frightened. Shri Mataji: Eh? Seeker: Just frightened. Yogis: Frightened. Shri Mataji: Frightened, about what? About the beauty that you have? Not to be frightened at all. Nothing to be frightened. Do I look frightful? Seeker: Nothing. Shri Mataji: Ha? Seeker: Nothing. Shri Mataji: All right. Now close, close your eyes. No, there’s nothing to be frightened, it’s the easiest thing that can happen, absolutely it is there, it’s like the germination of a seed. Just close your eyes, nothing to be frightened. Just let it go, let it go, that’s all. Is the simplest thing. She’s got it. Just like that. You have to be frightened of pubs and things like that, you know. I’m really frightened of pubs. Right to the left. Move (?) left to the right. Let’s feel his vibrations, come along. Some of you come along. No, at the back. Just sit down, sit down. They’ll just work it out. Close your eyes, close your eyes, they are just helping you out, just close your eyes. Just - you see, it is like, they know the swimming and they are just trying to help you. Once you are on the shore, they’ll also teach you how to swim and then you are going to save others. Hm. Work on him. Close your eyes, don’t think about it. Just enjoy, this is the greatest thing you’ve got it. Sahasrara, right. No, no, it’ll work out, don’t you worry, we know your problem. Just don’t - close your eyes. We know your problem. Right to the left. We know your problem, we know everything where that’s happening. Just close your eyes. There’s nothing to be frightened, I mean, what’s going to happen? Somebody is frightening you inside. That’s what it is, I must say. There’s nothing to be frightened. Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini. Sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini. Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini. With hand. The… Marcus, just stand up and pull it out. It’s working on him. It’s all right, they are working it out. It’s started, now don’t… It’s started, already has started now. Close your eyes. It’s working out. Don’t you worry. It’s working out. She’s got it very well.	null	null	null	"The Guru Principle", Caxton Hall, London (UK), 28 July 1980. Yesterday I told you about the Void, the dharma, which one has to establish. In modern times, people have used their freedom to such an extent, you see, they have moved so much to this extreme or to that extreme. They have left their central path and have accepted and identified themselves with such an extreme ideas about everything, that it is rather difficult to convince people that they have lost their way. All extremes are wrong. Moderation is the way we really solve the problem. But human race is such that everybody starts running very fast, you see, and there’s a competition set in: who goes first to hell. [Laughter, She laughs] It’s not only in one direction, you can take up any direction, but all these directions are linear. They move straightforward and coil back and go down – any movement of that kind. For example take our, say, industrial development. We started our industrial development without understanding the whole, the world as a whole, that the whole world was created by God, not a part, one country. Without understanding the relationship with the whole, when we start moving industrially, we created industries, and to pamper them we had to create other industries. Then also to keep the hungry machines working out, we had to feed them with something. And thus we created a horrible system of extracting things from the Mother Earth, using them. We have so many things, but we do not have the thing which is your Spirit. We never thought that, after all, all this matter is for what? All these things are for what? For comfort? That also, if not done in moderation, we are going to be ruined, completely ruined. We’ll become like worms. The Mother Earth is available to you, that doesn’t mean that you should be indiscriminate and use it for your comfort. She’s there for your comfort, no doubt, She’s the comforting element we have got, the greatest comforting element. But we do not know how to use Her for our comfort. The way we use Her is by taking out, extracting Her. Now if I say that, the other extreme would be: “We’ll have no possessions, nothing, live, hang by the string, some shoestring somewhere”. [She laughs] There are people who believe in such a thing also, who want to live on a shoestring and have all kinds of diseases, physical, mental, because they are living abnormally, in such a way that they do not relate themselves to the Mother Earth at all. Either you abstract completely whatever She has, or take away all Her flesh, blood, everything, and otherwise you have nothing to do. These are two extremes! And once you start doing like that, you find that you become slave to both ways, because you start forming habits with the help of this matter. Habit formation is slavery, complete slavery, even a habit formation like fasting. Now some people have to fast. Who has asked them to fast I don’t know. What is the need to fast for people who are already suffering from liver troubles and thin like sticks? It’s all right, somebody has to fast because, supposing he has too much weight, or say they want some rest to the stomach, is all right. But this fasting also can become such a habit, such a habit, that the day you do not fast you’ll say, “Oh! You have done the greatest crime on the Earth. Oh God, I did not fast on Thursday, I should have fasted.” In India we get so many mad people like that. [Laughter] They go crazy because they have not fasted. There are some who get crazy because they have not eaten their food. I mean they are all right, but if they have not taken their lunch, for them it’s the greatest injury, the greatest injustice done to them that they have not been able to take their lunch. The matter starts enslaving you and your mind becomes a slave of that matter. You do not know in what way this Mother Earth, which is there to give you the ultimate, She’s the one who resides within you at the Mooladhara Chakra to give you the innocence. She gives you the innocence. Instead of taking that essence of Hers, the innocence, what you take is the matter which is dead. The living principle of Mother Earth is innocence, Her magnetism, Her gravity. Instead of that, what do you take out of Her is this matter. Either you run away from it, or you run towards it. Nothing in between. Now matter is there for you to use, no doubt; but to use so that you do not get dominated by it, because you are the supreme thing God has created. You are the supreme-most thing; all the elements are working in you. There’s no animal in the world who has all these elements working in such a beautiful fashion that you develop your own will, your own freedom. It’s such a intricate process which has worked out a human being, which we don’t realize, where you develop your own will, your own freedom. But again, with your own will what do you do is to lose your freedom all the time. For example, take a person who indulges in luxuries. I mean he is idiotic sometimes, I mean he really becomes an idiot the way he goes on. I mean you can see that he’s an idiot and stupid fellow. The another one, he will say that this luxury is – indulgence fellow is very, very idiotic and stupid you can see. So he says, “All right, let me give it up.” He goes to another extreme, to such an extreme that he becomes a dry person, absolutely dry. The innocence is in the centre. For example, the best use of the Mother Earth is to watch Her working. Watch the nature. Watch every tree, what beautiful personality every tree has. Every leaf of the tree stands against the sky. I mean it’s such a poetry to feel Her with your feet. How soft She is when She produces flowers for you. You have to learn so much from what She does. She creates a flower to emit fragrance, to give, to give, to give. She just gives. Her innocence doesn’t bother as to what you are, whether you deserve it or not, whether you are a good person or a bad person or what use you are going to put Her resources, She just gives. She doesn’t judge you. Nirvaj – it flows. The capital flows without any interest. It just goes on flowing and flowing and that’s the word of nirvaj is. It doesn’t think to whom She is giving to, whether they deserve it or not, if they are sinners or they are this or that. But now it is for you to use your wisdom. And She has created this deity [Ganesha] of wisdom within you, and you have to keep that deity awakened. He came, incarnated on this Earth as Jesus Christ. Look at Him. Look at His life. How He lived. He was a carpenter’s son; He lived like a carpenter’s son. He didn’t amass money. And what a dynamic life in thirty years of His age! What a dynamic life, out of which He spent only four years in the public. With all our indulgences and with all our comforts, with all our movements and aeroplanes and all this, how many there are who have created such a dynamic life? What dynamism have we been able to show, the dynamism of the Mother Earth. “We must have this, we must have that, we must get this, we must enjoy this,” All right. But what is the ultimate? I mean how much we have been able to absorb it and what have we - giving others, what is our fruit of this tree that we are? The reason is, we have lacked wisdom. He was wisdom. He is the One who emits wisdom, who balances our ego, superego, everything. You know where He stands, that Deity. But the people who followed Him, or who called themselves Christians, where is the wisdom gone? Wisdom is one thing lacking in all of them. What is the reason? Because we just thought that He was crucified because He was a poor Man? Or I don’t know what we thought of Him. I can’t understand human beings, what is the lesson we have taken from His life? And the Christian nations have advanced so much materially. Can you imagine? They do not know that poverty is such a blissful thing sometimes. And then now a reaction has started. I’m sure reaction will also take you to another extreme, you’ll miss the point. It’s like a madman running to one end and when he goes from there he runs to another end. Have you ever seen a wild boar running? Have you ever seen a wild boar running? You see, it’s very easy to get out of the way of a wild boar because he just runs straightforward, till he meets some opposition. Straightforward. He wouldn’t see this side, that side. If you can just keep away from the line from where he’s moving he will not hit you. Then again he comes back in the same way. Goes this way, comes back. [Laughter]That is our movement has been about ourselves. What have we done out of our life? Let’s see. While we are capable, we are the seeds which are going to render the real fruits. We are capable, you know now that. And that is why first of all we have done the greatest harm to ourselves by ruining all our sustenance within ourselves. As I told you the other day in the lecture, that how we have to maintain our sustenance. I hope it was not too much for you to - if you feel that I was trying to tell the people also they say, a group of people who think this is all conditioning. Actually, we are so confused in modern times about everything. Supposing a plane has to take off, all its parts are to be in a proper proportion, are to be tied together to the main body. Otherwise everything will go helter-skelter, isn’t it? Now if you have to jump into your unconscious, all your parts of the being should be attached to the gravity of the body, to your sustenance, otherwise you’ll go helter-skelter. Will you say that a - putting the plane in that way is conditioning it, for its freedom? You have much more freedom when it is properly done. A person who is properly prepared for this flight, has much more freedom than people who think that one nose is lying this, and ears are lying on the other side, then eyes are going on the other side, his mind is going on the third side, his stomach is going on the other side. [Laughter] Here he is listening to Me and he’s thinking of his food. His eyes are looking at something else. His feet are moving. He’s jumpy. There’s no proper binding. And that’s why the conditioning has a word in Sanskrit language as samskara. Samskar. Now “sam” means “good, beautiful,” or you can say “which are good to your Spirit.” Even to add to that they can say “susamskara,” means “good conditionings,” where you are to be chiselled out. And in that chiselling, if you understand it is for not only your good, but for your flight, then you do not give everything to the winds. And this is the biggest mistake we have committed, when we started on the flight of our freedom. How can you have your freedom when you are bound by everything? You must go to the pub in the evening. You must go for your dancing [Laughter]. You must see a friend who smokes and must smoke with him. You have to attend a party where you have to drink. You must sleep at some particular time. Because you cannot sleep, so you must take pills. You have to have girlfriends or boyfriends, spend money on their – I don’t know what you call – dates, and things like that. I mean, how frivolous the whole thing sounds to Me. Same thing in India. I mean they have other frivolities. But when you understand through your Self Realization your self-esteem, then you try to think: “Then what have I done of my life?” You are like diamonds thrown into dust. You must find out your relative relationship with all these useless things where the money is wasted, you are frittered away, your time is wasted, everything wasted, just find out. Once you discover that, then you start detaching yourself from that. But first and foremost thing I’m sorry to say – it is may call conditioning or anything – are these important things are, ten things I told you the other time. Now all the gurus, all the gurus who came, say from we can start from Socrates, then Abraham, Moses – this is the Guru Tattwa, is the principle of master, primordial masters. The principle is born again and again. In India we can say the Adi Nath, we had one Adi Nath, the Guru long time back. Then we had Dattatreya, we had Janaka, Nanaka, Sai Nath. We had in the Middle East Mohammed Sahib, Lao Tse in China, Confucius – all these great Principles of Gurus who were born, they had one job to do is to establish your dharma. Their job was not to give you Realization, you must understand, everyone has one’s own job. See Mine is a horrible job [She laughs] because I have to do everybody’s jobs. But Their job was just to establish your dharma. They came at that time, in those places where it was needed the most. So these ten principles as I told you, They established. They are created in the Void, as you see here the Void part, this part is made out of the water element. So whatever miracles They did, had something to do with water, like They could create water anywhere they wanted to. They would not cure people. All of Them have created water in the desert or in the places where …like in … Nanaka has created a Panja Sahab they call it, everywhere They have been able to create water. Whatever They touched, They could create water out of it. Water is the life, life force which sustains us; without water we cannot live, that is the sustenance. But, They actually are symbolized in an ocean, in the ocean, because They give us the salt, the salt of life, which gives us the sustenance. If you see the salt, if we do not have salt in our body, we’ll have no sustenance. Christ has said, “You are the salt.” Who are these “you”? Are the people whom I was facing yesterday and today. You are the gurus of today. But see with how many powers you have come. Just think of it. These Gurus did not have to give Realization. You can raise the Kundalini, you can give Realization, you can cure people. Today Djamel asked Me that: “Mother did They have the powers to cure?” I said, “Powers They might have, but They’d never use that power because They were not supposed to do; They were just to sustain and imbibe these great principles.” They did cures, specially the last Guru was Sai Nath, He did cure people. But Djamel himself has cured a lady who was dying, absolutely. Doctors had given up hopes and he cured her. Now she is out and she’s gone to India. Just think of it, that you have all the powers of these gurus, though – though in dharma you are still failing. You are not absolute. You have to get it corrected, your dharmas are to be corrected. Now what is dharma within us, is our attention. As our attention is, you can make out the dharma of a person. Religion doesn’t convey that word. Dharma means the one which sustains you, "Dharayeti sa dharma", the one which sustains you. Your dharma is the way your attention is. To have a complete balanced attention is just like the aeroplane, completely balanced and fully developed. If you have an imbalance in your dharma, the first and foremost thing is fanaticism. If you are a fanatic, then you are the greatest adharmi ever born. Dharma is balancing. First and foremost is to know that all the dharmas belong to one lotus: Nabhi. Nabhi has got ten petals and these ten petals are the ten sustenance within us. If you see that the Nabhi has got ten petals – Nabhi center, the solar plexus, which manifests all of solar plexus. And if your, these ten sustenance are correct, your attention will be so balanced. Unless and until a flower is balanced it is not going to blossom out into a fruit. First is the balance. All fanaticism of any kind, of condemning any religion or any incarnation is against dharma. That gives you an imbalance. That means you have not understood the essence of dharma because you are blind. To say that there’s something wrong with what Christ has preached is as wrong as saying that there’s something wrong what Moses has preached, or Dattatreya has preached, or Nanaka has preached. Actually, Mohammed Sahib thought that He has said whatever was necessary, so that there is no need for Him to come back. But when He saw these horrible fanatics, even today they are, He thought, “Baba, better let Me take again the birth, what to do now with these madcaps? The thing that I preached, they are just going against it. Because I said I will not come, so they are becoming such fanatics.” He had to take His birth because, you see, human beings are such foolish things that these incarnations don’t know what to do. You don’t know how they will behave! So He took His birth again as Nanaka on this Earth, and His own daughter, Adi Shakti, was born as His sister. What Nanaka was preaching throughout and throughout was this: that Hindu and Muslims are the same in the eyes of God, and that you all combine together and become one. If there is anything that He has taught or Kabira has taught is this and this and this. But look at the Sikhs, the way they fight the Muslims; and look at the way the Muslims fight the Sikhs in India. We have created two nations out of it. Imagine! What He preached is just the opposite people are doing about it. How do you explain I don’t understand. I mean when somebody has said, “This is light,” how do you make it darkness I can’t understand. This is the speciality of human beings, is to create darkness out of light. Now this dharma that They preached, is preached by all of Them, and They have been particularly against all that goes against awareness, because if your attention is not all right your awareness will not be all right. And so They were very anxious – all throughout, all of Them – that They preached that don’t take anything that will reduce your awareness. That’s why They were against alcoholism, They were against drugs and things like that. There were no cigarettes at the times perhaps, when Mohammed Sahib came in, so He didn’t say, “Don’t take any cigarettes,” because cigarettes came later on. But Nanaka said, “No cigarettes at all.” Now you are finding out that cigarette causes cancer. “It only causes cancer, it’s all right, doesn’t matter, because cancer – at the most the body will die again you’ll be born again. Doesn’t matter.” It’s not that. That creates a problem in the Vishuddhi, so bad that you cannot get your Realization so many of you, takes time, and your poor Mother has to work for your cigarette enjoyment for days together. I’ve worked very hard, you know that. Then the drug people. They have enjoyed their drugs very nicely. They have been taking drugs, you see, enjoying themselves, going high, or whatever they call it. Ask Me. How much I had to work, with tears in My eyes because I know you are saints, you are meant to be higher people, and how much I had to struggle to get you out. Can you imagine, for four years I was struggling with six hippies in London [laughter]. Six only. And first lot came to Me who were really pleased, they had done a good job out of themselves. The only advantage was they had taken LSD and all that so they were on supraconscious level, and they could see only light coming out of Me, they saw all supraconscious things, lights and things and all that, so they stuck on to Me. Or I stuck on to them, all right, but they also stuck on to Me. Today they are one of the best Sahaja Yogis we have here. They are the topmost Sahaja Yogis. They are the most beautiful Sahaja Yogis we can say, because they were saints I could see their Spirit shining. I could not lose that sight, worked very hard for them. They are saints. They got lost into drugs because they thought they are seeking. They did not do it out of fashion. In India you see, when the Indian young people see you taking drugs, they think, “Oh must be something great.” You see, it’s very fashionable nowadays in India for young people to take drugs and wear jeans. They think by that they are getting sophisticated [laughter]. But they don’t know why you did it, they really do not know. They don’t know that you did it in seeking. They are such foolish Indians, you see, that they are doing it because they think that it’s very fashionable, you know. Everybody will call them “up-to-date” [laughter]. They don’t know why you left your homes, why you became like this. They don’t know the deeper side of your life, they just see superficially. And it’s very common now in the universities and things, this has started in a big way. But they are no good for Sahaja Yoga, useless people trying to copy. How can they copy your seeking, that depth? That’s why these people were very much against all those things that dulls your awareness. Even now I have seen people who have been taking drugs and all that, in Sahaja Yoga. As soon as they see Me they start, “haah,” sleeping. They go into sleep. Because immediately, as soon as you start taking these drugs or all these alcohols, you move towards your left side, or to your right side. Mostly to your left side. Alcohol specially, left side. By moving your left side, you see, you go into your collective subconscious, you cross over to your Ida Nadi and goes beyond your subconscious into collective subconscious. You become very non-aggressive, no doubt. It is also because of too much of consciousness that you are egoistical, you have started doing this. You thought that “Oh, our ego is too much.” You can’t see your ego, so you said, “No, let’s have some drinks.” By that you go on the other side. When you start moving too much towards the left you know what happens: you get possessed, because there are satanic forces let loose, you get caught up. Now when you come to Sahaja Yoga after that, you are always dragged, you always feel the heaviness at the back, all of you. Left Agnya, not the right – superego. You feel very sleepy; you feel like crying, weeping all the time; you feel very much frightened; you cannot take any decision; any question comes in, any problem comes in you shudder. It’s an escape, escape from reality. Say the reality is in this room, if you run away from this room, this way or that way, you are running away from reality. I would say, after war, so many people died, perhaps, perhaps, who were dissatisfied souls and in a very bad condition. Hitler was a satan, real satan, and all these forces were let loose later on by these gurus or whatever it is, and they captured you, perhaps, that you took to these things. These are extremely injurious to our being. I went once to Trichu. They had invited Me and all these people came in big cars to receive Me, I was quite surprised that seldom – Sahaja Yogis are never very well-off people I mean, to that extent that you’ll have cars after cars. I said, “What business do you do all of you?” They said, “You see, actually we are all people growing tobacco.” And I said, “Very nice.” They are growing now, you see, not only eating but growing also. And I said… In their houses you’ll be surprised, they had tiles made in England, they had taps made in England. All these ancient things that you have had which you treat as antiques today, they all had everything with them made in England [laughter]. I said, “Made in England. How do you get all these things in here?” The things you do not have here they had it there. I said, “How did you get it?” He said, “We are exporting tobacco to England.” I said, “Very nice, what a nice work you are doing, exporting tobacco to England.” I said, “Don’t you think it is sinful to do like this? Don’t you know as Indians that tobacco is against religion?” He says, “We know but we don’t take. And if you give it to others [laughter], then it’s nothing wrong.” It’s like a person who owns all the race course says, “I never see. I never put my money on a horse. I just collect. I’ve never seen a race course.” That sort of a person, that sort of a, attitude they had. So I said, “Very nice. You are exporting all your tobacco to England.” I told them, “Don’t do it. You are very near the sea, and sea is the guru, he will teach you a lesson of the worst type. I’m telling you today, now it is in the attention of the sea. Believe Me. Remove this. Do not send any tobacco. Do not grow, you can …” They said, “What should we grow?” I said, “You can grow very good cotton”. There were three-four people who took Me seriously. They said, “All right, Mother, we will grow cotton.” And they really started making a big money because they produced very long threads, just like Egyptian cotton they started doing. The rest of them didn’t like Me. They didn’t thank Me, they didn’t come to see Me off at the station – all their cars were just fizzled out. I thought I had to take a taxi to go the station now [laughter, She laughs]. But can you imagine, within one year’s time, there was a typhoon. And there was another thing going on. These people were exporting this to England, and selling tobacco, the… you see the cheap type tobacco, you see whatever are the remains, the molasses you can call it, they were selling it to the poor people; and poor people were taking that very concentrated, eating that. So they took to black magic spiritualism. All of them were doing black magic. In their small little huts they were sitting doing black magic – can you imagine? – in their villages doing black magic. And the sea got so angry with the typhoon. You might have heard about the big floods in that area. I must warn Brighton people [laughter]. The sea is taking a respite now, you just see that, because you are insulting the sea, all the time you are insulting him. This holiday-making now – it’s a disease with the western people. Holiday. There’s a girl in Sahaja Yoga, her sister also comes sometime, she was to have a baby, she is a lady doctor, sister – she has gone for a holiday, without any heart. She had a caesarean, can you imagine? All the Sahaja Yogis putting all their attention to the birth of the child, and this lady has very nicely gone for a holiday because holiday she must have. You see without holiday, she is nowhere. It’s all programmed; you must go for a holiday. What have you achieved by going to holidays I would like to know, what wisdoms? Except for sitting in the sun, getting a skin disease, and a skin cancer for Me to cure. What is the need to go in the sun such a lot I don’t understand. What are you achieving? Your healths are going from bad to worse. Your forefathers had much better health than you people have. Despite all these health things you are doing, what is your health? Your livers are out. If you… That’s nice, I’m happy the sun is coming, now you’ll give up your alcohol. Let the sun scorch you, then you’ll give up your alcohol. Otherwise you will not. Here, you go in the sun, sit there, take all the alcohols there, drink all wine – in the presence of the sea. No wonder all these oil tankers are breaking there and spoiling your health resorts. That will happen. You have no consideration for the sea is there, is your guru and you are drinking like mad. Nude women sitting down there tanning themselves. What’s this nonsense going on? I mean I don’t understand what is the need to tan your body like this? Who has told you that you look beautiful? You look ghastly with that. I really tell you, you look ghastly. Here you are discriminating on racial points [laughter], saying that people are dark, why are you darkening yourself I can’t understand, what is the wisdom [laughter, She laughs]? You know going to the other extreme. All right, once in a while you sit in the sun, do something, is all right. But what is the need for you to be so extremely concerned about your holidaying, and in the holiday drink, fight with wife, come back and have a divorce. Always after a holiday, the after-effects of the alcohol you can see very clearly. In India, thank God we do not go out for holidays at all, we don’t believe in holidaying, at all! At the most if you have to go somewhere, we go to some festival or to somebody’s marriage or something; if there is an occasion only then we move out of the houses, we are gruhasthas, we settle in the family, gruhasthas who stays in the gruha, householders. We are not like vagabond gypsies all the time moving about. It’s all right once in a while, just to enjoy a picnic or something. I mean you are not scouts all your life. Yes, it’s so maddening, you don’t know. My husband’s office there are two great executives, British, they cycle down to the office. It looks so odd, you know, with half-pants [laughter]. With such a big office, how will it look, two half-pant people coming down, with a half-pant and perspiring and smelling and everything. It is absurd! [Laughter] But there is something behind this all-frantic effort, is you are seeking something. Some people think that by going to holidays you will achieve something. I mean music, what have you achieved in music now, I don’t understand. By going to these holidays, if you have achieved this kind of music which shatters every part of your skin, I mean when I hear it, you know, the whole vibrations go on, jamming into it (?). And your bad livers, think of that at least, bad livers, your skin diseases, your skin cancers. All this in the presence of the guru, the sea. Can you imagine? There is no auspiciousness in this, you do not understand. The sea is to be worshipped. It’s a temple. It teaches you, it has given you such a lot. Think of the sea, what it has given you. Without the sea, what would have been your condition? In England specially. It taught you challenge, it gave you ideas how to go abroad, it has given you such a lot. All your wealth comes from sea and what are you doing about your Lakshmi? And do you know, the Lakshmi Tattwa which resides in the centre, is born out of the sea. Actually he is your grandfather. Do you have any respect for him? So much to learn, from the sea, from the guru. It never leaves its boundaries. It keeps to that. If you try to press the sea from one side it will show on the other side, somewhere. Such a huge thing, it gets all the water from all over the world, but it keeps its boundaries. It never crosses it, unless and until you press it. That’s the sign of a magnanimous great personality: it keeps its boundaries - I mean, so far and not that - The dignity of it is - I don’t know if there’s a word like maryada in English language - is the boundaries of decency and decorum. Then it gives you the rain. It gives you the basis of your food. Sea is the father. And where do they meet, really in the most beautiful way, the sea and the Mother Earth? They meet at the Sahasrara on the Himalayas where all the clouds freeze and cover completely the Mother Earth, where there is snow all over, on the Alps. It’s complete purity. These are too subtle things for people who are not seeking, but I’m talking to seekers. You have to be subtler people to understand the beauty of the sea, its poetry of a guru. When it roars, you see, the roaring of the sea challenges you: “Come up my child, come up my disciple, come up, come along.” To Me sea is like a father. I’ve traveled by sea so much, so much. And anytime I have traveled it has carried Me like a very gentle mother. Never a bad weather, such a nice weather. Always. It’s so kind, it’s so kind to Me. Once I was coming from Japan and they said, “There are typhoons coming.” Five typhoons were coming. They never touched My ship. Nowhere. People were amazed. And we were coming to Bombay from Colombo, when we turned round it was monsoon. They said, “Now.” The captain was quite amazed, you see. He said, “But now, you cannot help it. The wind will go in the other direction and we are going to have a bad time.” But what a smooth lake, just like a mirror, beautiful! Just like a gentle mother. It carried Me on its sari I felt. So beautiful. And such a sea you insult, because you are ignorant, because you are blind. I wish the sea forgives you, but gurus do not forgive easily. Mother is different. Gurus are hard taskmasters, you see. They normally do not forgive you. Now you have heard about Ravi Shankar who is a great musician who plays sitar. I know when he was studying in - he was in the beginning a student of Allauddin Khasa. Allauddin Khasa was a Realized soul, a great man, a genius, a genius he was. Absolutely a real guru, you should say. He never drank. And he was a Muslim but a worshipper of Kali, you see, and all that. And he used to call Me “Ma.” Mother. I was with My father who was the political adviser to that State, Maihar [Madhya Pradesh]. I mean you could see he was really so subtle in everything! And he used to play that big drum which he said the best is produced in Maihar, that’s why he settled down there, what we call is the “pakhawaj” is the very big drum, you see. He used to play tremendously. He used to just go on into such echoes and beautiful rendering. And he was a master of so many things like sarod – his son himself is Ali Akbar Khan Sahib. His daughter Annapurna is a great singer and all that. And I remember Allauddin, when we went there, he used to respect My father very much and - also because My father was a great connoisseur of music and a Realized soul himself, a great man. So, once he was going to play the pakhawaj and Ravi Shankar was also sitting there you see, hiding his face on the sides. So when he had played his pakhawaj, My father said: “Why don’t you also play some sitar to me, I would like to see how much you have learned.” He said: “No, no, sir, not today, not today.” So then he went inside, for something – the guru. He [Ravi] said: “See, are you going to see here something?” He [father] said: “What?” “Big lump, you see, was here”, he said: “He has broken my sitar on my head today because I played two notes wrongly. See sir.” [Laughter] That was the thing. The gurus are very, very, strict people, they have to be. And the way they used to treat the disciples. It’s not like this. The gurus you know are the gurus who are trying to pamper your ego. Why? Because they want your purse. They don’t want to enlighten you. They say, “All right, what, you drink? All right, doesn’t matter. I can give you more. Whatever you want I’ll give you. Just pass the purse this side, that’s all. Why do you want to have these, metal, this… some metal-like, metallic things like a, say a Rolls Royce? What’s the use, this metal thing? You pass it over to me. I’ll look after it. What is the need for you to have possessed this grand palace? Pass it over to me. I’ll look after – you must give up everything for me. I’ll enlighten you.” Even if you may have palaces and anything, the real guru will not look at your face. He never hankers after people, never. That’s the sign of a real guru: that he doesn’t hanker after you: “Come along to me, come along to me. All right, how many people are coming? Now have an organization and run a big mission about it.” And then the people are coming and write your names and you become the members of the society and all that. A real guru will sit in some odd place, where you have to go seven miles up, walking, falling, somewhere hidden, and there you go and you find he’s not there. [Laughter]You break your legs on the way. [Shri Mataji laughs, laughter] But they know so many things. According to them, you are not to be treated that kindly. And they tell Me that “Mother, what is Your whim?”. And “We can’t understand. For us, we had to work so hard to get these vibrations.” One gentleman has told that: “I was a frog. Since then I’ve been seeking. And I’ve spent how many years I don’t know, so many thousand years to get vibrations, while Mother has just given you like this! What is your speciality? Are you going to give your life for Mother?” And all sort of questions. [She laughs] So I asked him: “Why did you tell them? I don’t want their life. What’s the use of their life? I want their Spirit.” He said, “But why these?” I said, “Are you jealous?” [Laughter] They say that “Mother, You carry on with them. We can’t face this, human beings are horrible.” And I’ve told you that I asked one person to go to America, he ran away, within two days. Within two days. He would not face Americans – the real ones. The unreal ones are very nice, you see. There’s mutual understanding going on. So these hard taskmasters are so beautiful. From outside they look so harsh. Inside, they are so beautiful. You must know how to please them. For example, I went to see one guru once and all the boys were against it. He said, “Mother, we don’t believe in any guru, why are you going to see?” I said, “I don’t believe in any guru, who told you? I believe in all the gurus. I don’t believe in the agurus.” I said, “You see the vibrations.” We had to climb up and this and that, and we went down there. And it was raining heavily, very heavily. And the guru was very angry he was sitting there, because he could control water, I told you. He could control rain, you know. So when I went up he was doing like this, very angry. He wouldn’t even look at Me. I went and sat down, all drenched in water with that rain. He said, “Why did You not allow me to stop the rain, is it because of my ego that You wanted to punish me? I didn’t want You to get drenched when You are coming to see me.” What a great thing. I mean he talked to Me as if he knew Me, you see, the way he talked. He said, “Not even my gurus and gurus never had such an opportunity that You are coming to see me, and I was just prepared here, and here You are coming all drenched. What a shame for me I could not control this rain. It’s all Your doing Mother, why did You do it?” I said, “Should I tell you why I did it?” He said, “Why?” I said, “You see, you have bought a sari for Me, isn’t it? And I would not take a sari from a sanyasi; but if I get drenched, then I’ll have to take.” [Laughter] The whole thing melted away. The whole thing, the whole temper, everything melted away. It was so sweet, you know, so sweet. There was an artist with Me, who has done the painting. So beautiful, showing the love, you see. He just fell at My Feet. He said, “Mother, people have praised You. What words should I use to praise You?” I said, “Nothing. Your sari, you bring it for Me. First of all, I must wear your sari, I’m all drenched.” So happy. It’s so beautiful the whole thing. This is what it is. You all have to be the gurus. I know, first thing you learn is to be very, great hard taskmasters, to begin with. That you should not do. You have to be hard taskmaster with yourself. And then, as your Mother, Who is your Guru, is very sweet and tolerant, very kind, extremely patient. You have to deal with people like that. Because we are not dealing with people who are seekers of that quality, who will do anything to get to God. We are dealing with people who are confused, absolutely confused. They are saints, but they are confused. See, people come to our program, disappear. They’ll get their Realization and disappear. Then you have to give them bandhans, this thing. You see, they are still confused. And there are so many gurus who are acting, there are so many things that are happening, so we cannot be aggressive with them. We have to be very patient, and we have to think about our past, how we came to Mother, how She had to convince us, how much we argued with Her, what all we did. So these people are coming, let us try to be kind to them and talk to them, and tell in a way which is congenial, which is beautiful. Not like those gurus because they had only one guru, and one disciple, do you know that? The relationship was only one plus one. And that one also used to come down, many-a-times. Like one person I know, whom I met, he’s told Me, “I have only one disciple and I’ve given him up. He’s thrown in the sea, he’s useless.” I said, “What happened?” He said, “I trained him up for twenty-five years and he’s a good-for-nothing fellow. Now he’s having a nice time, earning money. He’s a Realized soul, just imagine. And he’s having a nice time and he’s making money out of it. This is the last story I’ll tell you.” I said, “All right, where is he?” He told Me his name, this Maharaj. I said, “All right, I’ll see him, don’t you worry.” And when this fellow came in Bombay, one lady telephoned to Me, “Mother, you wanted to meet this Maharaji, he’s coming to my house.” I said, “All right, tell him I’m coming to see him.” I went down to see him, he was smoking cigarettes like this, sitting like this. “Oh Mataji has come, very nice” and all that. He, of course, I mean he touched My feet like this, “All right, sit down.” And there were ladies pressing his feet and all that and he was talking to them very… trying to show lot of arrogance in My presence. I was just looking at him. Then he said, “Oh. So, my guru comes to see You in Bombay. Why is he leaving his place? Why should he do this?”. And all sorts of thing he was talking, against his guru. I said, “All right, now I’m going, but I will put some sindoor on your head, just to put a tilak on your head,” I said. So I took some sindoor, put it on his head; Agnya Chakra I moved it. Then I said, “Now you put.” When he start put… I sucked his hand, you see completely, and he started, “Ahee-hee-hee-hee-hee he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he.” He said, “Mother, Mother what are You doing, what are You doing?” I said, “What am I doing? Will you please take back all the words you have said about your guru? You have no shame. Twenty-five years that man worked on you and you’re bringing all the shame here. Will you remove your hand?” He said, “I can’t, I can’t, I can’t! What are You doing to me?” I said, “Unless and until you promise that you will not say a word against your guru and hold your ears, with the another hand, or with your legs [She laughs], then only I’ll leave you.” (Laughter) He said, “I’m sorry, I’m sorry, You will drop…?” Now the others didn’t see all this conversation, you see, they just saw his shaking, you see. When I went away he said, “See, how powerful I am? See.” [Laughter] Fools as they were, they never realized that he was shaking, and what shaking means, you see? And he made such a fool out of them. He took from everyone, one and a quarter tola [ed: tola is an old Indian weight equal to 180 grains, 0.375 troy ounces.] gold, you see, as a dakshina, guru dakshina, and said that “See, even Mataji – I was getting all Her powers into me, sucking all Her Powers into me.” [Laughter] And these fools believed him, you see. And then one of them met Me at the airport and she told Me that “He’s taken away so much money from us. That day only he made us pay for one and a quarter tola gold for the guru dakshina.” I said, “All right, I’ll see him one day, again.” But all of them were doomed like that. So, this is what it is. And he’s so attractive to people, you know. And then he was sitting on a very big thing and the thousands are approaching him, there. But then I did some arrangements. Now he’s all right, in the jail, direct [laughter]. In the jail, direct. That’s what it is. But we had one Sahaj Yogini like this. She got her Realization and I told her, “Your guru was no good and you don’t take anything from him, because he’ll try to give you some siddhis and you will try to impress people.” She said, “No, no Mother, I want the parama, I want the last, the absolute, I don’t want all that.” Because her guru used to carry some snakes around and do all kinds of tricks you see, go into tantrums. When I went to America, I heard about her, that she’s having three thousand disciples; I never had them in Bombay that time. I used to hardly get about two hundred people somehow or other sticking on to this… thing. I said, “Three thousand. What is she doing?” I got really worried you know; I put her into bandhan and everything. But when I came back, you won’t believe, she had silver water carriers you see, these pitchers, she brought to wash My Feet and this. I was so embarrassed, so embarrassed. And she showed Me, “See Mother, what work I’m doing.” Such a big photograph of Mine there, put, and all the bhoots around. I could see all them hovering, you see, all of them. [Laughter] I said, “What is she doing? What work has she been doing and what is she up to? Because she’s completely gone darkened and haunted.” I asked her, “What are you doing with these people?” “Oh Mother, you don’t know. I’ve spread Your name there. I can even tell people if they have lost their property somewhere, wherever is the hidden money, or I tell so many things…. I can even tell the name of the horse which is going to come first.” [Laughter] I said, “Very nice. What a nice Sahaj Yoga is going on here,” you see? So I told her, “All right, you come and see Me tomorrow at home.” She came down. I had two-three people sitting, I said, “All right, tell about them.” She said, “You live near a bridge.” He said, “No, never, I live near a sea. How can you bridge a sea?” Then she said this, that. He said, “No, nothing.” Then she told another lady. She said, “Nothing.” Third person said, “Nothing, this is not true. You are just telling something that is not true.” So she rushed to Me, “Mother, have You taken away all my powers?” [Laughter] I said, “If they were your powers I would have made you sit here. These are the powers of the devil. What interest God has got to tell that ‘What is the horse coming,’ and all that? [Laughter] Why should you tell all these things? These are not your powers, these are the powers of the spirits which are haunting you, and which you have captured, and your guru is doing all this job.” “Oh God, I never knew.” I said, “It is that. All right, say that ‘I give up. I give up.’ Say it thrice.” She said, “All right, I’ll say, Mother. I want the parama, I want the absolute”. She went home, but you know this popularity, this cheap popularity, is a very enticing thing. She again carried on, and now she is in the lunatic asylum. This is what it is. Because these spirits which help you, come back on you and torture you. So all those people who try to deviate, even after Realization, are corrected by the principle of guru only. With the principle of Agnya, you give Realization, enlightenment. With the principle of Sahasrara you give integration, but with the principle of guru you give them dharma. That’s why so many people, all of you who came to Me, have very easily given up all these habits, because you have found the Spirit, the joy. And then you don’t want all that. I don’t have to tell you that you have to give up, you just give up, you just forget it, because your attention is now attached to your Spirit. That is the job of a guru. It is said that: “Guru is that which makes you meet the Sahib.” Means: “makes you meet the Lord.” He’s the guru. Otherwise all these are not gurus. But the one who has not even settled your dharmas, who does not have his own dharmas, how can you accept them as gurus? May God bless you all. [Start of 3: informal talk to seekers] Shri Mataji [about a young child]: This is a born Realized child. [Shri Mataji laughs] Hello, how are you? Hum, what are they catching? He is showing from his feet. All over right side Sahasrara. Right side Sahasrara means what? Superego. It comes to the right [of the brain]. All feeling the heaviness on the right side, the little child is showing. They are working, they are busy all the time. All the time they are busy. Gavin’s child’s such a little thing… all the time. [Laughter, She laughs] Trying to clear you out – great people they are. All the time they are working. That’s why I want you all to get married soon, with so many great children are to be born to you. All right, I can make it cool for you, it’s all right, don’t you worry. [Laughter] You have to think of the Moon who is your maternal uncle. He was born with Lakshmi. There are fourteen things that were born from the sea. One of them is also a hunter. The stick Gregoire gave Me yesterday was also, came out of the sea. That was the fourteenth thing. Better now? Now, those who have come for the first time should come forward, you see, it’s better in the forward line somewhere, would be better and the second line could be - it’s all right. These people have come for the first time, all of you? All right, can you come on these first three lines, all right. Now who else is there? Please, come forward. As you know, Sahaja Yoga is a very subtle thing and the main thing is it must work, it must actualize, the Kundalini must rise. You must get your Realization, that’s the main concern is. Whatever you may say, whatever your arguments may be or any problems may be, we are not bothered about that. What we are bothered about: that you should meet yourself. That’s the main point we are at, and that’s what we have to achieve. Now the problems arise out of our imbalances in life and so many things. Whatever it is, still, the force is so great, that you will get your Realization. Why I’m telling you? That I find people, once they get their Realization, they think it’s done now, we are happy, then they don’t come. It’s just the germination has taken place, the Kundalini has shot off, because She’s been waiting all these days, you see, so the whole thing comes up as a big experience. But that doesn’t mean that you have established it. So the second thing you have to do is to establish, that’s very important. Much more important than getting Realization I feel, because the Realization, if it takes place and it falls down, then what’s the use? So you take your Realization, which you’ll get, no doubt about it, because you all look that way. But, then you must have self-esteem and understand that you have got it because you deserved it. Some people haven’t got it in India who have been with Me for seven years, but you’ll get it I’m sure. That I can see clearly, you are all going to get it. But that doesn’t mean if you get it, that you again waste it, because this is what you have been seeking all your lives. Because in the West the problem is: though such saints are born, they have this rambling of the brain and they start thinking. You do not get it through your rationality. You get it through your Kundalini, which you cannot think about. So you allow it to grow, manifest itself, and you become as good as others are. Now they are all experts and gurus, you know, they know such a lot about Kundalini. You’ll be amazed, they are all experts, they look just like you! They are raising Kundalini, they are giving Realization, they know everything about it. So in the same way, you have to be. It’s a very simple thing which takes place at any age, any time, any race, anything. The main thing is that you must have self-esteem, you must know that you are saints. You have been saints for years and you have been ages like this. You have been seeking and seeking and seeking. Now when you have found it, you allow it to grow, because it’s very important, and you must know your value. That is important. Because I value you, because I see something much deeper that you can’t see. But you don’t see that, gradually you’ll start seeing, all right? On this promise, I’ll give you Realization. Put your hands like this. Put both the feet on the ground, straight. Sometimes I find, you see I’ve worked very hard on people and they get lost, I feel very sorry for that. Left Swadishthana, you see [She laughs] – give him… Like a saint he’s sitting here, great guru. [About a child] Now put your hands towards Me, like this, and close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Now what happens is that first you become thoughtlessly aware, nirvichar samadhi. Samadhi means enlightened awareness. You get enlightened awareness which is thoughtless. You become thoughtlessly aware. First. And in the second happening, when it crosses the Agnya it happens to you, and when it crosses, pierces through this point called as taloo, the fontanel bone area, you start feeling the radiation of your Spirit in your hands, like vibrations. Are you feeling the cool breeze in your hands? Already you’ve got it! You haven’t. There’s a little problem. All right, watch Me here, little bit. There? Hm. Without thinking, just watch Me, it will work out. Whatever I’ve said, you forget it. You see, if you have taken drugs doesn’t matter, don’t worry. I can drink all that; just suck it out. Don’t you worry about all these things, forget, have no guilt of any kind, for heaven’s sake. I’m talking of Ocean of Love which is ocean. What guilt can you have? Just a speck. So please, do not have any guilt, on the contrary say to Me that “Mother, we are not guilty – I’m not guilty.” In your heart, just say that. That’s the only catching point in you. It’s a fashion also, these days, to feel guilty about anything. Now close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Know that you are not guilty at all, that you are very beautiful. Right to the left. Move right to the – keep your eyes…. are you feeling? It will work out. Just let it be, let it be, you see, let it go, let it go. Close your eyes. You must get it. Not to get upset with yourself. Are you criticizing yourself? Are you? Seeker: Just frightened. Shri Mataji: Eh? Seeker: Just frightened. Yogis: Frightened. Shri Mataji: Frightened, about what? About the beauty that you have? Not to be frightened at all. Nothing to be frightened. Do I look frightful? Seeker: Nothing. Shri Mataji: Ha? Seeker: Nothing. Shri Mataji: All right. Now close, close your eyes. No, there’s nothing to be frightened, it’s the easiest thing that can happen, absolutely it is there, it’s like the germination of a seed. Just close your eyes, nothing to be frightened. Just let it go, let it go, that’s all. Is the simplest thing. She’s got it. Just like that. You have to be frightened of pubs and things like that, you know. I’m really frightened of pubs. Right to the left. Move (?) left to the right. Let’s feel his vibrations, come along. Some of you come along. No, at the back. Just sit down, sit down. They’ll just work it out. Close your eyes, close your eyes, they are just helping you out, just close your eyes. Just - you see, it is like, they know the swimming and they are just trying to help you. Once you are on the shore, they’ll also teach you how to swim and then you are going to save others. Hm. Work on him. Close your eyes, don’t think about it. Just enjoy, this is the greatest thing you’ve got it. Sahasrara, right. No, no, it’ll work out, don’t you worry, we know your problem. Just don’t - close your eyes. We know your problem. Right to the left. We know your problem, we know everything where that’s happening. Just close your eyes. There’s nothing to be frightened, I mean, what’s going to happen? Somebody is frightening you inside. That’s what it is, I must say. There’s nothing to be frightened. Sakshat Moksha Dayini, Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini. Sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini. Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini Aham sakshat Moksha Dayini. With hand. The… Marcus, just stand up and pull it out. It’s working on him. It’s all right, they are working it out. It’s started, now don’t… It’s started, already has started now. Close your eyes. It’s working out. Don’t you worry. It’s working out. She’s got it very well.
8/9/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6718	What are we inside?	England	Birmingham	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	56	What are we inside? Public Programme, Carrs Lane Church Centre, Carrs Lane, Birmingham B4 7SX (England), 9 August 1980. I’m really sorry for being late but your Grand Hotel here only delayed me. We had ordered for a tea for forty-five minutes and they couldn’t prepare tea for us! Now what’s happening to us here? We have to understand that people are not normal in these modern times. There’s something going wrong with them somewhere. And maybe something serious is happening within us, which is giving such a collective effect outside. Now the trouble is, we do not know what we are inside. Unless and until we know what we are, unless and until there is light within us, we cannot understand what the problem with us is. We just accept whatever we know with whatever our limited awareness is. Because the human awareness has not reached that state of fruitfulness where one can say that, “I know definitely this is my use. I know definitely, why I am here. I know definitely, what is my purpose - why I became a human being from the amoeba stage; why all these troubles were taken by the nature to make me a human being.” We have not been able to answer these questions at all. But the human mind is such that it compromises with everything. You see, it is like a little oyster which gets a stone inside its little house, the shell. So he says, “Alright, now I’m not going to bother much now. It’s alright.” So it goes on weaving around that little part of that stone, whatever it is, which is just troubling it. Then by some movement he gets a little more pinch, then he goes on again and again and again like that. That’s how we live in this world most of the time and we think, “Oh! We are on top of the world. Nothing is wrong with us,” till we come face to face to something that is disastrous. Some disaster shocks us and then, “Oh! How it happened?” Like war. Till we reach to the point of war, we are preparing for war in many ways. But when the war breaks on us then we are shocked and we say, “Oh God! What happened?” Today the war is within, within ourselves, not without. We are not realising how it is building up within ourselves. For example, cancer is the physical war within ourselves. We are not aware of that. We just accept our body as it is. Tomorrow we go to the doctor and he says,“You have got cancer.” [So] we jump in the sea - finished! We don’t know how it is caused, why it has caused, what have we done to ourselves? Another person is alright for normal purposes. Suddenly, the psychologist said that, “You better go to the lunatic asylum.” And we are there! We find ourselves in a lunatics and we are wondering, “How is it I am here? Supposed to be sane!” Then you find certain people who are seeking their spirituality or all other seeking. They think, “Oh we have got this, we’ve got that. We should have this and we are now on top of the world!” And where do you find yourself? You have lost all your money, everything. You are nowhere. You are a recluse. You are fragmented. You have no relationship with your society. As you have come, you have added nothing to your society, nothing to yourself and have just finished your life like that. We have given nothing to the nature from which we have taken, nothing to the society that we are living in, nothing to the country where we are, nothing to the universe that has made us, and nothing to God who has created us. Because in the name of God also I have seen such hocus-pocus going on. All kinds of hocus-pocus going on in this world: you don’t imagine how far people can go with this kind of a thing! They want to make money. All kinds of thing they’ll start, “Oh, there’s a place here. If you go, you will get cured.” Thousands of people will be going there [but] it’s all hocus-pocus! Just imagine! All the money is exhausted, everything. You find that, “Oh you have achieved nothing.” Then you think that, “Alright, let’s have some fun!” At least you have nothing to do, “Let’s have some fun!” So what is the idea for fun is also very funny because the fun is that how we give up our respectability. You see fun means: Today I saw…we went to a shop and we had parked at an angle from the main road and there was a big pub where some boys, young boys, good, nice boys, were taking some beer or something. And a girl came and parked the car in one place. When she went away they got down from their pub - they were on the balcony, came down, lifted her car, actually lifted, all of them; put it on the other side and put the same type of car in her place. They took about, to do this, half an hour. And they thought they were having fun: laughing, joking, this thing, that thing. How can such foolish fun make you happy? This is stupidity. Wasting your time. Idiocity. I mean, I can understand a little boy doing it. But behind it is something sinister. As if they were possessed, I felt. They didn’t know how much the girl will be worried unnecessarily. On the contrary, if they had put in that much effort to do good to someone, the joy would have been much more lasting. But this is the problem with human beings, that they do not recognise, they do not know. They have no moorings. They cannot fathom where they are, where are they drifting. As long as there’s nothing that is troubling them, they go on moving onto same lines. Of course, in the modern times, despite all this, there’s a big seeking going on. People are born with seeking. Children are born with seeking. From childhood, they find that there’s something wrong. They find sometimes, even in their family, as if their parents, their relations are extremely narrow-minded, they are very funny. They find some people in the society extremely aggressive. Or all kinds of things they find. And then they open their eyes and they start seeing relatively, “Am I also one of them? Am I going to be one of them?” Then relatively they start seeing, “No, no, no, no, that’s not the life. There’s something wrong.” Because these people who are born like that are of a different calibre, of a different temperament, of a very different quality. But they also gradually lose their quality when they get into the mundane life and when they accept other people so easily. They also accept that, “Oh, alright, whatever was there was ego. So this was too much of a ego in us. It was a colossal ego within us. By ego we dominated,” So they say, “Alright. Let’s go back.” You try to become primitive. Now you cannot become primitive because the brain is not. Your brain is over-developed. Even if you try, you cannot become primitive because in a primitive man, thinking process is very little. While what you do, your only life, is nothing but thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking! Like two horns of thinking all the time growing out of you and creating a circle all around you! How can you become primitive? So also these are all only conceptions within ourselves or convictions that we’ll become that. By convictions, you do not become. Supposing I have convinced myself that I am the Queen of England. Will I become? Or I get an idea, conceive an idea, that I am this and this. Will I become? I have to become! I mean it is so simple as that, isn’t it. It is so practical. You see, if I tell you that you have to have your tea, alright. Then you will say, “I have never had my tea. What about the tea?” Till you have it you have to have it. But you’ll say, “No. Alright, as long I said I will have my tea, up to that point it’s alright.” [As if] I have had already. That kind of misconception we have: that without doing it we feel quite satisfied about it. And this is called as The Great Illusion of Kali Yuga, called as ‘Mahamaya’. Is the greatest illusion is this - that human beings are made to believe what they are not. They accept such a situation, many a times. It’s alright in a drama, [if] you are watching a very big hero, say, Napoleon fighting and Wellington fighting. Suddenly you feel, “Oh, I am Napoleon!” Maybe, alright. But in real life also we get assumptions like that which are really falsehood which are not ourselves. So we come to the point - what are we? Actually, what are we? If these are assumptions and conceptions, what are we? Really, what are we? And we are nothing but the Spirit. We are that Eternal Being within us, reflected, which is called as ‘Spirit’, the Atma. That is what we are. The rest of it has no meaning at all. For example, there’s a lamp, which has no light in it - what will you do with it? Say there is a tube which has no light in it - what do you think about it? Supposing this machine is here and it doesn’t work - what do you call it ? A junk! In the same way, if we do not find out that light within us, if we do not enlighten ourselves with that light, we are not finding out our meaning, our purpose. We are wasting our life, either with our ego or with our conditioning. Conditioning, of course, can be found out in no time. Very easy to find out the conditioning, which takes place through this left side channel, which is called as the Ida Nadi. It’s a subtle channel within us called as ‘Ida Nadi’. This is the power we have got by which we desire. In Sanskrit, this one is called as ‘Mahakali Power’. The power of desire, by which we desire. Desire does not have a materialised thing. People may desire to become the King of England but that’s not so, isn’t it. Just, it’s a desire. So the power of desire comes through this one which is called as ‘Mahakali’. This Power flows through in a channel called as ‘Ida’. Now, the names are in Sanskrit. The trouble is [that] all this was discovered thousands of year back by seers who gave it a Sanskrit name. Also it has some meaning that these names they got it from the Unconscious. So these are not Sanskrit names but are the names actually of that thing. So this is the Ida nadi which manifests within us the power of desire. It is also called as ‘Chandra Nadi’ meaning the Line of Moon. On the right hand side, you see another power by which we act, the power of action; called as the Mahasaraswati Power which resides within us as the power to act. In two ways, we act. And also power to act, to think. Like whatever we have to do, we think about it. So, it can be divided into two halves: one is when we act because of our physical capacities, and when we think, because of our rational capacity. So these two powers reside within us in a very subtle way. And outside they express themselves in the gross as two sympathetic nervous systems, called as left and the right sympathetic nervous system. By the left sympathetic nervous system, we accept all the conditioning, which Freud has described, as conditioning, through this one, because it takes you to your past. So this represents the line of your past. The right hand side one gives you the future. That is the one which gives us the idea of the future. For example, animals do not have much idea of the future. They mostly live with their conditioning. Only their left side is really developed, so much so, that the pineal body, which is in our brain, which controls our Left Side, is more developed in animals than in human beings. Then, as a human being, your Right Side starts working because we think, we speak, and we think of the future, [so] Right Side is developed. With the conditioning, you develop a superego by which you can be a person who is very frightened, who takes aggressions from others, who are very subdued, over-subdued. You run away from your duties. You escape things. Lots of things are there if you are overdeveloped [on the] Left Side. But if you have overdeveloped [the] Right Side then you develop that horrible yellow thing like a bile called as Mr. Ego. And this ego today is quite prevalent everywhere and is a big problem because after Realisation we start seeing it and then we don’t know whether to laugh or to cry the way things work out. So this ego is also responsible for our funny behaviour towards others. Now the problem of ego is that people do not find it out till they really suffer badly. Because ego is something that doesn’t give trouble to the individual so much, as to the society. It gives to the society. For example, such a place or a such a community where the ego is prevalent, the families will break and the societies will break, people will be extremely arrogant and troublemakers and they will be the ones who will have all kinds of aggressions on other countries and they will not allow anybody to aggress them. They will suppress other people. This is Mr. Ego working. So you do not find the mistake of the ego. Ego can be developed with so many things by the society itself. Like you must have seen they always say that, “If you wear this dress you will look very nice.” Now you think, “Ah, that’s the one I should go in for. Oh, that’s the one for me!” All such pampering of that ego can be worked out in a society, which is absolutely hovering with ego. Now to say that ego is better or superego is better, I say both are equally the same, because both take you away from reality. While reality is in the centre is the most beautiful thing, and that is you. These are artificial, two balloons. They can be punctured in no time and you could be yourself. They are just trying to put you down. Whether it is ego or superego, they are hiding your Spirit, which is in your heart. Now we have an arrangement within us, which God has created within us, very beautiful - because He has created everything within us. We have not created anything within us. Even if you want one hair to grow, we cannot make it grow! I mean every thing He has done. We have done nothing about ourself or about nature. We cannot transform one flower into a fruit, that’s what we are. But we think no end of ourselves because of Mr. Ego being there, you see. Because he makes us feel, “Oh! We are great!” Some people even say, “How can there be God? After all, we have done this, we have done that!” Now, I ask them, “What have you done? Except for changing a chair to a table and table to a chair!” And then the chair sits on your head and the table also sits on your head because you cannot live without them. The matter, which we have converted from dead to dead, is also giving us habits. So we have done nothing! To think that we have achieved something is really tomfoolery. But see in the nature, see everywhere - the living work of God is so evident. What a tremendous power is working it out. After all, you have become a human being from amoeba. How have you become? There must be some tremendous power that has done this. And what is that power? That is what we have to become. Now within us also lies that special thing called as ‘Kundalini’ which is a three and a half coiled power within us, which is our germinating power. This power we have to awaken. If this power is awakened, then She rises in the centre, in the present, integrating all these centres: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven centres. All of them representing our seven beings within us; also representing our growth in the evolutionary process, like the milestones, integrating all of them, enlightening them. And She takes us to that point where we become, again I say ‘we become’! We do not assume. It’s not a conception. You become. You become that. You become the Spirit. You become Realised. You get Realisation. It is not just talking about it. It has to happen. If it does not happen, say, it does not happen to my own children, I will say, “It does not happen. What can I do about it? I cannot sprout your seed!” The seed has to be sprouted and sprouting has to take place. It’s not a plastic seed. It is the real seed. And every real seed must be sprouted. And every real seed can be sprouted. But unless and until it is sprouted we cannot say that it is there. Now the sprouting of the seed takes place by the rising of the Kundalini, going through all these centres and piercing through this area called as the fontanel bone. Now you know that you are ‘baptised’. This bone is baptised here. But nobody knows what it means, the baptism. Christ has said, “You have to be born again.” Now how many churches are doing that job? Only by giving a so-called blessing over here, do you get awakening of your Kundalini? I mean, let us face it! By going to any one of these Theological colleges and Theo (God) experts, can they produce this effect? Because this college is different. This is the college of God. Your authority doesn’t come by wearing a particular type of a dress and the gown and standing very seriously and saying, “Alright, I bless you!” Who are you to bless? It’s such a mockery going on! I mean, they have no right, they have no authority, they have no technique. Same about Hindus in India: I mean, if you think that Hindus are sensible people, you are sadly mistaken. We have thugs, absolute thugs as Brahmins. They are not Brahmins, they are actually Roman soldiers born in India. You see their faces. In Benares, especially they look like Romans! Horribly dishonest and aggressive they are. It’s all mockery going on in the name of God. But when the Kundalini really rises before a person, who is an authorised person, you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini in the triangular bone, even above it, wherever it is there. Now there are so many people here who have seen. In London, we have so many people who have seen it. But, still the question of ego is quite a lot; it’s quite a lot because people can’t believe it. They just don’t want to believe it. They want to continue with their nonsense. They just don’t want to get it. And also, they feel, “Why Mataji? Why should she do it?” I mean, I said, “Now if it is my lot, what am I to do? Now you better do it!” If you can take my place, I’ll be very happy to settle down. Now, you know I have been travelling, travelling for months together. Now Portugal, from Portugal I came then this programme, that programme and it’s too much! But what I feel that if supposing that’s my work, I should do it, isn’t it? And whatever is your work, you should do it! I mean, I don’t feel that. You know so many other things [that] I do not know. I don’t know even how to drive! I’m so bad at many things! So I do not feel bad. Why should you feel so bad if I know the work of Kundalini? Moreover, I do it out of love; just love, nothing but love. In that love I find also lots of happiness and that is what is essential. I have come for that purpose only. It has to be done. If it is not done, what is going to happen to this human race? Nothing but destruction you can see it clearly, writ large. It’s not a frivolous thing that we should give up. We have to understand that we have to get transformed. The whole human race has to be transformed. And this is the Last Judgment today. It has started. You are going to be judged by your Kundalini. How? God is not going to weigh you, how many seers (an Indian measure equal to 1.25kg) you weigh. Like the way you have here beauty competitions. It is the Kundalini, which is going to say how far you are. I have seen people in Birmingham before I have come. I found, I am sorry to say, but in Birmingham I have seen [that] people are very frivolous. They come to my programme, get their Realisation - finished! They are not bothered about it, to see what it is, what they have to do, why they got it. It’s like Christ’s parable that: you throw some seeds here and some seeds there and so many of them are just wasted. It’s such a sad tale of human callousness and lack of self-esteem. Absolutely, it is a very sad tale. You do not know what we are facing. And that’s why people play with their lives in such a cheap way. It’s most surprising. Tomorrow their children are going to teach them a lesson! And I don’t know what’s going to happen to your children. So now, I have to request you to be attentive about it, to get to it, work it out, have it within you and know all the knowledge about yourself and about the Spirit. It is a very simple thing to give Realisation but very difficult, in this country specially, to maintain it. So, for you, it is necessary to put in an effort after Realisation, not before. Before you cannot. Before that somebody will work it out. But after Realisation, you have to look after yourself, look after your being. This is what you have to see, this is what you have to have. Now some people have been to some other things like I would say ‘TM’ (Transcendental ‘Meditation’) now. I went to Portugal. I was surprised the boys had nothing. They did not know what they were doing. They did not know they had no feeling, nothing. They did not know if they were Realised or not Realised, if I was Realised or not Realised. They had no sensitivity, they had no awareness developed, nothing! What they were doing was saying some ‘mantra’, and by saying that mantra, they were really cutting out all the sensitivities within them because these were artificial things. I mean, you can do it. Why take mantra? Even if you say, “Stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone,” and go on saying for three months, you will be in the lunatic asylum. And the people from this TM now are coming as epilepsy. We have here two people who have come with epilepsy. But I told them, “Why don't you tell your mantra?” They said, “Why do You want to know?” I said, “Because you are under that conditioning which I have to remove. I know already but you have to tell me to show the courage that you want to get rid of it.” They said, “It's a secret.” I said, “How can that be a secret?” What is secret in nature? Have you seen anything? See the ocean. See the flowers. The best is open. Absolutely the whole Brahma, the whole Truth is open. If it is not open, it is not Truth. If it is hidden, how can it be the Truth? Truth is light. It has to be transparent, absolutely clear-cut. But this secrecy business can be only with thugs and with mafias and things like that, because they are afraid. They are afraid of the statues of God, of His laws. That's why it is a secret. In nature or in any God's work, in any great man's life, what was secret? They were standing on top of the hills and mountains and shouting, “Be awakened, you the blind!” What was done secretly in Christ's life, I would like to know. Was there anything secretive in His lifetime? Why this kind of a secrecy working? Why not people understand? It is important that human beings must know that the time has come for them to transform; to enter into the kingdom of God; to be the citizen of God; to be looked after by His angels and all-pervading Divine love. He is a Father who is compassion and love. He forgives all our sins and everything because He wants us to have all His powers and all His beauty. You cannot understand a Father of that kind who is absolutely, impatiently waiting for you, who is so anxious. And that is the only concern He has out of everything that, “When are my children going to know me?” At this stage, when we cling on to things, which are useless, and nonsense. You must know that, “What did we know in our awareness?” This is the only question you should ask yourself. Do I know what’s the matter with this person? Do I know what’s the matter with me? If there is light, I will know. I will know the other person as well as myself. Supposing you have a light in your hand, you see yourself and you see the other person. But if there is light within you, you see your light and in your light you see the other person. That’s what happens in Realisation that you get collectively conscious, you become collectively conscious. Again I say, you actualise that awareness. It is not that I tell you, you are all brothers and sisters but it just happens to you that you start feeling others on your fingertips. This is a very dynamic thing should happen to all of you. It's not per chance I am here. It looks like that because my husband got elected to this post and I had to come from India. But it's not per chance. It is the tribute to this great country that I had to be here and tribute to my English children that I had to be here to look after you. For I must tell you, I have told so many people, and I must tell you - of course it should not give you ego but is a simple thing - that English young people are the best in the whole world. Among all the young people, they are sensible, scholarly, wise, logical. If you give them logic, they are sensible. But for Birmingham, I cannot say just now. Let's see how it works out. We have some very good high people, very great people but some. On the whole, England is the heart of the whole universe. From here, everything circulates. You have no idea of this country. You have no esteem of this country. The way we have tortured our motherland here. I wish people could know. She is suffering within herself. Only Blake has cried, he has cried of Jerusalem and that's what I’m talking about. He could see that vision because he was that sensitive. He’s the one who was a Realised soul, and he was that sensitive, He could feel it. And the way he has described, the way he has talked [about] the glory of this country. All this inertia, all this lethargy, all these curses that are settling into this country are because of our foolishness and stupidity. You are the most dynamic people. And not only that, in spirituality you are very dynamic. For your spiritual work, you can be very, very dynamic. You are the ones who are going to throw away all the shackles of nonsense and you are the ones who are going to recreate a beautiful arena for the whole world. That's why I am here. I have been here for six years, you won't believe that. And again I am here for six years, perhaps, I hope so. I hope something substantial will be done in all the parts where the English, who are my children, who are saints of the past, are born in this country. Receive this and settle into it and not waste the energy in the ego that your forefathers did: who were nonsensical, they just wasted their life! Because you are not the same. You are different people. You are people, very different. Your aspirations are different. Of course there were some great people also in the past, I am not saying that, but not so many as there are today. But they will be lost if they try to follow the mundane type of understanding of life. It is much subtler, much greater. Unless and until you are Realised, you cannot understand what I am talking. Krishna has said, “yasa pashyati sa pashyati” (यः पश्यति स पश्यति)(Bhagavad Geeta 5.5) (meaning) “The one who can see, can only see,” [So] what’s the use of talking to the blind? And I went to see Mr. Mascaró (who translated Bhagavad Geeta into English), you might have heard his name from Cambridge and, aaah, the love and everything! The way he surrendered himself and absolutely. And he said, “Mother, ya sah pashyati sa pashyati!” The one who can see can only see. How many can see you? Can they see you?” I said, “I am sorry, not so many. I am sorry for them.” He said, “I have a friend who has a Nobel Prize and he has developed this thing ,and he's got a Nobel prize. Oh, he’s so blind, he’s so blind! He doesn’t know Who has given him this power, how has he got this. Who has made this universe, he doesn't know. But how can you talk to him?” I said, “He’ll come. He'll come when many will be there. Then they start thinking, “Oh, so many have gone? Let’s also follow!’” But the transformation is the only way which is the most convincing. If there is no transformation in you, who is going to believe in Sahaja Yoga or in me? Like many people who know me personally say that “You are unique. You are different. But we can't believe that you can transform people.” I am not transforming. There is already all [the] arrangements there! All the cord is there, just to put to the plug to the mains! That’s all I am doing. I am not transforming them! You are just ready for it and it works out. So please take your Realisation. Maintain it. And receive that glory which is meant for you. May God bless you. Questions, please. Not nonsensical, “I read in a book of a tantric…” and this and that. All that I don't want to discuss any library and any controversial points. Please ask something sensible. And I think you will know what to ask. Thank you. Thank you very much. Without any fear, I am your Mother. I am not a guru. Absolutely, I am your Mother. You are your own guru. Only thing [is] I have to give you the keys of your gurudom, that’s all. Just ask me a very simple question, coming from simplicity, not complicated. How many! I must say we got fifty people. Just I had gone for a wedding. Imagine, to have fifty people Realised. And such great love. You don't know how much. And the recognition is so great. I mean, I was amazed at those people. I think poverty is a blessing in a way. Wonderful people, very beautiful. Questions please. I mean, many of you cannot think because your Kundalini has crossed this (Agnya). When it crosses Agnya, you cannot think. You go into thoughtless awareness, so you just cannot think. Even if you want, you cannot think, that’s the problem. So just try to think! This is your own Kundalini which is transforming. In Australia today, I received a trunk call from Australia and they said, “Mother, we don't have to say anything about anything. Just the Kundalini does the job!” Now these Australians were supposed to be convicts and things! Imagine their children are doing such wonders! Much more than in England, for your information. Two boys came to India, two of them, and they have got now two hundred people. Hm, what is it, what is it?( Somebody asks a question.) What is he saying? "I, I, I” I only hear “I, I, I.” Yogi: He says there are lots of people he knows in Birmingham who feel in a similar way, that they have given up. They have been disappointed and given up. Shri Mataji: What is disappointment? Is it selling something here? Your whole attitude is of ego. We are disappointment in you or in me? Yogi: No he says other people, not him. People he knows. Shri Mataji: What are they disappointed? Seeker: They just talk about life and different things, you know. Things don’t work out. Shri Mataji: What is it? Related to them. No. Isn't it? Seeker: A lot of people around us feel how confused and corrupt and other things, you know. And we are part of them. How I am now, I’ll tell you the truth, I’m declining and I don’t like it. This here, to me, is like a last chance, you know, for me trying to understand this world. Shri Mataji: Alright. You are a very nice boy. And this should work out. Now what you said is correct but even if you want to love somebody, people don't like it. You see, they want to hate. This is possible. I do not say. But now how to make people love? Even when we love somebody, we do not love the way it should be Divine. The Divine love is something like the sap rising in the tree. It goes to every part of the tree, goes to all the flowers, doesn't get attached to any one and comes back. Supposing it gets attached to one flower, “This is my flower, my child, my son, my community, my, my, my.” Alright? It's finished. The tree is finished, the flower is finished. Alright? So the Divine love is, is all-pervading. It exists all the time. It articulates within us. But still we are not feeling it. Like I would say there is ether here. There are lots of scenes and sceneries here, but we cannot see. When you just plug a television, you start seeing them, catching them. In the same way, your television is not yet plugged, that’s why people are disappointed. You are disappointed actually in yourself because you find that, “What is this instrument for?” Sometimes it is loved by somebody. Somebody it is thrown by somebody. Somebody tries to mishandle sometimes. Somebody wants to fondle it. What sort of an instrument is this one? But then you reach a point where you become the Spirit, and the Spirit enjoys itself. The joy the Spirit has is enjoying itself all the time. Our Spirit is enjoying itself. It is not bothered whether other loves you or not. It doesn't bother. The Spirit in your heart enjoys itself. Alright? But what happens [is that] we are not aware of it. So when this thing happens to you, your attention becomes enlightened by that enjoyment of the Spirit and you enjoy. You become a different person all together. You forget all this. All these discriminations, nonsenses, everything drops out just like that because you become that Universal Being. This is not talking only, my child, it is happening. It has to happen. When it will happen, you will see the whole world will be changed. That has to change. After all, God never created some place here and some place there, He created one universe and one world. It is human beings madly, they have changed [it]. “Now this is your territory, this is mine!” It's all falsehood! To me it is a myth. You know, till the end I had to go to Portugal. I had not taken my visa - can you imagine? - in the morning. Then they asked me, “What about your visa?” I said, “What visa?” “To Portugal.” I said, “I never do. I have to take visa?” He said, “Of course you have to take a visa!” So in the morning, you see, everybody has to rush from my husband's office to get their visa. I just travel just like that. I thought, “What is the need?” Like a criminal carrying the number of your passport and everything. Isn't it funny? Imagine to a person like me who is absolutely naive in human affairs. It’s absurd. Why to carry on this? After all, we are all human beings created by one God, on one Earth, in complete unison. We are part and parcel of that one Primordial Being. We are cells in that body of that Great Being. And we are fragmented. That’s why, once you know that you are the part of that, your fragmentation goes away and you become that. You become that. Then all your sense of security is established, all your self-esteem is established, all your glory comes to you and you start distributing it. I say [that] this is the meeting point of capitalism into to communism. When you have no capitalism means in the sense you have no capital of your own. After all these capitals, all will vanish. This is useless. But the capital of your Spirit, when you have, you distribute. You give. That's the greatest communism. You can't live without it. You have to distribute your love. See if I don't get any human beings then I'll get some plants or something or some flowers, I'll try to love them. It's like that. Alright? You just wait and see. And you get all of them who are disappointed for nothing at all. Their connections are loose still. I have to just screw them up a little. Alright? ( laughing) Not to get disappointed my child the Reality is so beautiful. It's just lying ahead of us. Don't be worried. Everything is going to be alright. Alright? May God bless you. Now any other question? What a sweet thing to say, isn't it? You want to ask some questions? Lady seeker: Can you tell us about death? Shri Mataji: Death? Lady seeker: Yes Shri Mataji: Now, why of all the things? Alright, I’ll tell you. Death doesn’t exist. There’s nothing like death. We are made of five cocoons, you see. One of them is the cocoon of food called as annamay kosh (अन्नमय कोश - made from food). Only that drops out (on death). And also a little bit of water within us also drops out. The rest of it remains. Nothing to die! I wish we could die but we cannot! (laughing) It’s just changing of cloths! Like when I came to Birmingham, I just changed my clothes in the hotel and came here: to be refreshed, to be new. It’s just like that. As our clothes become dirty, we change them, or become old, we just change it. That’s all. Death doesn’t exist, it’s a myth. But we believe - you see, this is another conception - that by dying we solve the problem. Like we had some Swedish girls, much younger, seventeen year old girls and they had vibrations just like a dead body! I was amazed. I called them in my house and I said, “What’s the matter with you? Why are you having such vibrations? What are you doing? What is your pastime?” They said, “Mother, our main thing is that we are planning how to commit suicide!” Can you imagine? Sweden, the most affluent country. The young girls of seventeen years, blossoming like flowers, should think of their death. Why? Because what does not die, is your Spirit. You seek your Spirit. That’s why people want death because they have not found that eternal thing. Nothing dies. It’s a myth. You should think of life and of eternal life. If we really want to be sensible, we should really not think of death because then we go onto the left hand side, onto the subconscious, then into the collective subconscious. Like these, you must have seen these supernatural business going on, you see, and then you can be possessed by them and you can be very much in trouble. Now practically every day I must be driving them out in thousands, can you imagine? Yesterday I went to a place where there were all installed there very nicely, some old johnnies sitting there still. I said, “Now, why don’t you depart and take your births? Or go to your own places?” They just don’t want to go. They act as, what you call, these spirits and things like that. So forget it. We have to live in the present because it’s the most beautiful thing, absolutely beauty. What is in death? Nothing to be so serious. Cheerfulness is the sign of life. What are you all upset about so much? What is your problem? Now tell me. All the problems can be solved if you get your Realisation, believe me, even so called material problems. Not to that extent. You will not become [Mr.] Fords but you will be satisfied souls and also you will have sufficient. “Yoga kshema vahamyaham", Krishna has said. (meaning) “When you get your yoga, I look after your wellbeing.” Your physical, mental, emotional and your material, everything He looks after. Alright? It’s assured! Seeker: Now matter which way it comes to you and it’s true, you recognise the person. Shri Mataji: You do recognise? May God bless you for that. You are very sensitive because people don’t. If they had recognised, why did they crucify Christ? Just imagine these thugs whom we are giving so much of money and people are going to them, and the nonsensical people, how they are using your women and all sorts of life they are leading, and how we have surrendered to them with all of our intelligence and rationality and to Christ? What did we give Him is a cross? You have to really have a proper sensitivity to understand Truth, really. Otherwise normally people are naive. If somebody comes with two horns, they like that person much more than a normal person. One must carry a circus, you know! The circus is on. Truth is something which doesn't require any adoration with it - nothing. It shines by itself. And there are many Realised-souls born on this land of your England like these children are. They are all born realised and they have feelings and some of them are born with the knowledge of Kundalini - many, many. You don’t know what dynamic people are going to [be] born in this country, very dynamic. We have already had a birth of a very dynamic person in London. Ask these children. They are must be getting cool breeze. Are you getting cool breeze my children? In the hand? Is he? What is he saying? Yogini: Not too cool Shri Mataji: Not too good? But still it is coming, yah? See they never will be satisfied because other vibrations are also here. Now, what about you? Let's see. Just see, not yet? Put your hands just like this. Let's see? Please put your hands like this. Just like that. Put both the feet straight and sit very comfortably but with a little alertness. Straight, like this. Just like this. You start receiving that through your fingers. And an invitation is sent to the Kundalini when She rises. And now close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Now what happens is that you start feeling a cool breeze on your hand, through your fingers. A kind of a cool breeze which is known as “The cool breeze of the Holy Ghost”. That is the first thing, that’s the first symptom. Put your both the feet on the ground. Touching [the ground] if possible. If they cannot touch, it's alright, but normally [they should]. And little apart. Don't open your eyes. Just keep them [closed]. It will be alright. Do not think. Do not think. Thinking should be finished. If it is not finished then open your eyes and watch me. If there is no thought coming then it is alright. Just open your eyes and watch me without thinking. You can do it. Better? Watch me without thinking. Got a Hamsa [catch]. Now don't worry about declining and all that. Alright? Don't feel guilty about anything. Because I am talking about the ocean of love. You see, you are standing before the ocean. Now what is your guilt? It's just a spec. Alright? Now forget it. Close your eyes. Now don't think about any guilts or anything like that. That's a nonsensical thing, absolutely nonsensical because compared to the ocean of forgiveness, what is a guilt? Just forget it. You are going to just get it. It’s freely being distributed. It’s your own. Do not condemn yourself. This is the temple of God. Love yourself, first of all, respect. Now better. Close your eyes my child. Close your eyes. You must get it to understand everything. We have to forgive others. Just forgive. We must know that it’s a myth. If we do not forgive, also, we are just torturing ourselves. We are not torturing anybody else. Just forgive everyone. Just say, “I forgive.” Then only we can ask for forgiveness, isn’t it? You just forgive and then ask for forgiveness from God, that, “By mistake if I have done any mistake, by any sort of aggression or any torture, or anything - please forgive me.” And He forgives. Just forgive. Ask for His forgiveness and He'll forgive. Nothing needed. Just to ask for it and He will do it. But do not condemn yourself because your Father, the almighty Lord has created you and He cannot make any mistakes. You might have done some wrong but doesn't matter. Sakshat Shiva Parvati, Om Sakshat Shiva Parvati, Om Sakshat Shiva Parvati Om Sakshat Atmam, Om Sakshat Atmam. Please pay attention to your heart now. And just say, “I am the Spirit.”	null	null	null	What are we inside? Public Programme, Carrs Lane Church Centre, Carrs Lane, Birmingham B4 7SX (England), 9 August 1980. I’m really sorry for being late but your Grand Hotel here only delayed me. We had ordered for a tea for forty-five minutes and they couldn’t prepare tea for us! Now what’s happening to us here? We have to understand that people are not normal in these modern times. There’s something going wrong with them somewhere. And maybe something serious is happening within us, which is giving such a collective effect outside. Now the trouble is, we do not know what we are inside. Unless and until we know what we are, unless and until there is light within us, we cannot understand what the problem with us is. We just accept whatever we know with whatever our limited awareness is. Because the human awareness has not reached that state of fruitfulness where one can say that, “I know definitely this is my use. I know definitely, why I am here. I know definitely, what is my purpose - why I became a human being from the amoeba stage; why all these troubles were taken by the nature to make me a human being.” We have not been able to answer these questions at all. But the human mind is such that it compromises with everything. You see, it is like a little oyster which gets a stone inside its little house, the shell. So he says, “Alright, now I’m not going to bother much now. It’s alright.” So it goes on weaving around that little part of that stone, whatever it is, which is just troubling it. Then by some movement he gets a little more pinch, then he goes on again and again and again like that. That’s how we live in this world most of the time and we think, “Oh! We are on top of the world. Nothing is wrong with us,” till we come face to face to something that is disastrous. Some disaster shocks us and then, “Oh! How it happened?” Like war. Till we reach to the point of war, we are preparing for war in many ways. But when the war breaks on us then we are shocked and we say, “Oh God! What happened?” Today the war is within, within ourselves, not without. We are not realising how it is building up within ourselves. For example, cancer is the physical war within ourselves. We are not aware of that. We just accept our body as it is. Tomorrow we go to the doctor and he says,“You have got cancer.” [So] we jump in the sea - finished! We don’t know how it is caused, why it has caused, what have we done to ourselves? Another person is alright for normal purposes. Suddenly, the psychologist said that, “You better go to the lunatic asylum.” And we are there! We find ourselves in a lunatics and we are wondering, “How is it I am here? Supposed to be sane!” Then you find certain people who are seeking their spirituality or all other seeking. They think, “Oh we have got this, we’ve got that. We should have this and we are now on top of the world!” And where do you find yourself? You have lost all your money, everything. You are nowhere. You are a recluse. You are fragmented. You have no relationship with your society. As you have come, you have added nothing to your society, nothing to yourself and have just finished your life like that. We have given nothing to the nature from which we have taken, nothing to the society that we are living in, nothing to the country where we are, nothing to the universe that has made us, and nothing to God who has created us. Because in the name of God also I have seen such hocus-pocus going on. All kinds of hocus-pocus going on in this world: you don’t imagine how far people can go with this kind of a thing! They want to make money. All kinds of thing they’ll start, “Oh, there’s a place here. If you go, you will get cured.” Thousands of people will be going there [but] it’s all hocus-pocus! Just imagine! All the money is exhausted, everything. You find that, “Oh you have achieved nothing.” Then you think that, “Alright, let’s have some fun!” At least you have nothing to do, “Let’s have some fun!” So what is the idea for fun is also very funny because the fun is that how we give up our respectability. You see fun means: Today I saw…we went to a shop and we had parked at an angle from the main road and there was a big pub where some boys, young boys, good, nice boys, were taking some beer or something. And a girl came and parked the car in one place. When she went away they got down from their pub - they were on the balcony, came down, lifted her car, actually lifted, all of them; put it on the other side and put the same type of car in her place. They took about, to do this, half an hour. And they thought they were having fun: laughing, joking, this thing, that thing. How can such foolish fun make you happy? This is stupidity. Wasting your time. Idiocity. I mean, I can understand a little boy doing it. But behind it is something sinister. As if they were possessed, I felt. They didn’t know how much the girl will be worried unnecessarily. On the contrary, if they had put in that much effort to do good to someone, the joy would have been much more lasting. But this is the problem with human beings, that they do not recognise, they do not know. They have no moorings. They cannot fathom where they are, where are they drifting. As long as there’s nothing that is troubling them, they go on moving onto same lines. Of course, in the modern times, despite all this, there’s a big seeking going on. People are born with seeking. Children are born with seeking. From childhood, they find that there’s something wrong. They find sometimes, even in their family, as if their parents, their relations are extremely narrow-minded, they are very funny. They find some people in the society extremely aggressive. Or all kinds of things they find. And then they open their eyes and they start seeing relatively, “Am I also one of them? Am I going to be one of them?” Then relatively they start seeing, “No, no, no, no, that’s not the life. There’s something wrong.” Because these people who are born like that are of a different calibre, of a different temperament, of a very different quality. But they also gradually lose their quality when they get into the mundane life and when they accept other people so easily. They also accept that, “Oh, alright, whatever was there was ego. So this was too much of a ego in us. It was a colossal ego within us. By ego we dominated,” So they say, “Alright. Let’s go back.” You try to become primitive. Now you cannot become primitive because the brain is not. Your brain is over-developed. Even if you try, you cannot become primitive because in a primitive man, thinking process is very little. While what you do, your only life, is nothing but thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking! Like two horns of thinking all the time growing out of you and creating a circle all around you! How can you become primitive? So also these are all only conceptions within ourselves or convictions that we’ll become that. By convictions, you do not become. Supposing I have convinced myself that I am the Queen of England. Will I become? Or I get an idea, conceive an idea, that I am this and this. Will I become? I have to become! I mean it is so simple as that, isn’t it. It is so practical. You see, if I tell you that you have to have your tea, alright. Then you will say, “I have never had my tea. What about the tea?” Till you have it you have to have it. But you’ll say, “No. Alright, as long I said I will have my tea, up to that point it’s alright.” [As if] I have had already. That kind of misconception we have: that without doing it we feel quite satisfied about it. And this is called as The Great Illusion of Kali Yuga, called as ‘Mahamaya’. Is the greatest illusion is this - that human beings are made to believe what they are not. They accept such a situation, many a times. It’s alright in a drama, [if] you are watching a very big hero, say, Napoleon fighting and Wellington fighting. Suddenly you feel, “Oh, I am Napoleon!” Maybe, alright. But in real life also we get assumptions like that which are really falsehood which are not ourselves. So we come to the point - what are we? Actually, what are we? If these are assumptions and conceptions, what are we? Really, what are we? And we are nothing but the Spirit. We are that Eternal Being within us, reflected, which is called as ‘Spirit’, the Atma. That is what we are. The rest of it has no meaning at all. For example, there’s a lamp, which has no light in it - what will you do with it? Say there is a tube which has no light in it - what do you think about it? Supposing this machine is here and it doesn’t work - what do you call it ? A junk! In the same way, if we do not find out that light within us, if we do not enlighten ourselves with that light, we are not finding out our meaning, our purpose. We are wasting our life, either with our ego or with our conditioning. Conditioning, of course, can be found out in no time. Very easy to find out the conditioning, which takes place through this left side channel, which is called as the Ida Nadi. It’s a subtle channel within us called as ‘Ida Nadi’. This is the power we have got by which we desire. In Sanskrit, this one is called as ‘Mahakali Power’. The power of desire, by which we desire. Desire does not have a materialised thing. People may desire to become the King of England but that’s not so, isn’t it. Just, it’s a desire. So the power of desire comes through this one which is called as ‘Mahakali’. This Power flows through in a channel called as ‘Ida’. Now, the names are in Sanskrit. The trouble is [that] all this was discovered thousands of year back by seers who gave it a Sanskrit name. Also it has some meaning that these names they got it from the Unconscious. So these are not Sanskrit names but are the names actually of that thing. So this is the Ida nadi which manifests within us the power of desire. It is also called as ‘Chandra Nadi’ meaning the Line of Moon. On the right hand side, you see another power by which we act, the power of action; called as the Mahasaraswati Power which resides within us as the power to act. In two ways, we act. And also power to act, to think. Like whatever we have to do, we think about it. So, it can be divided into two halves: one is when we act because of our physical capacities, and when we think, because of our rational capacity. So these two powers reside within us in a very subtle way. And outside they express themselves in the gross as two sympathetic nervous systems, called as left and the right sympathetic nervous system. By the left sympathetic nervous system, we accept all the conditioning, which Freud has described, as conditioning, through this one, because it takes you to your past. So this represents the line of your past. The right hand side one gives you the future. That is the one which gives us the idea of the future. For example, animals do not have much idea of the future. They mostly live with their conditioning. Only their left side is really developed, so much so, that the pineal body, which is in our brain, which controls our Left Side, is more developed in animals than in human beings. Then, as a human being, your Right Side starts working because we think, we speak, and we think of the future, [so] Right Side is developed. With the conditioning, you develop a superego by which you can be a person who is very frightened, who takes aggressions from others, who are very subdued, over-subdued. You run away from your duties. You escape things. Lots of things are there if you are overdeveloped [on the] Left Side. But if you have overdeveloped [the] Right Side then you develop that horrible yellow thing like a bile called as Mr. Ego. And this ego today is quite prevalent everywhere and is a big problem because after Realisation we start seeing it and then we don’t know whether to laugh or to cry the way things work out. So this ego is also responsible for our funny behaviour towards others. Now the problem of ego is that people do not find it out till they really suffer badly. Because ego is something that doesn’t give trouble to the individual so much, as to the society. It gives to the society. For example, such a place or a such a community where the ego is prevalent, the families will break and the societies will break, people will be extremely arrogant and troublemakers and they will be the ones who will have all kinds of aggressions on other countries and they will not allow anybody to aggress them. They will suppress other people. This is Mr. Ego working. So you do not find the mistake of the ego. Ego can be developed with so many things by the society itself. Like you must have seen they always say that, “If you wear this dress you will look very nice.” Now you think, “Ah, that’s the one I should go in for. Oh, that’s the one for me!” All such pampering of that ego can be worked out in a society, which is absolutely hovering with ego. Now to say that ego is better or superego is better, I say both are equally the same, because both take you away from reality. While reality is in the centre is the most beautiful thing, and that is you. These are artificial, two balloons. They can be punctured in no time and you could be yourself. They are just trying to put you down. Whether it is ego or superego, they are hiding your Spirit, which is in your heart. Now we have an arrangement within us, which God has created within us, very beautiful - because He has created everything within us. We have not created anything within us. Even if you want one hair to grow, we cannot make it grow! I mean every thing He has done. We have done nothing about ourself or about nature. We cannot transform one flower into a fruit, that’s what we are. But we think no end of ourselves because of Mr. Ego being there, you see. Because he makes us feel, “Oh! We are great!” Some people even say, “How can there be God? After all, we have done this, we have done that!” Now, I ask them, “What have you done? Except for changing a chair to a table and table to a chair!” And then the chair sits on your head and the table also sits on your head because you cannot live without them. The matter, which we have converted from dead to dead, is also giving us habits. So we have done nothing! To think that we have achieved something is really tomfoolery. But see in the nature, see everywhere - the living work of God is so evident. What a tremendous power is working it out. After all, you have become a human being from amoeba. How have you become? There must be some tremendous power that has done this. And what is that power? That is what we have to become. Now within us also lies that special thing called as ‘Kundalini’ which is a three and a half coiled power within us, which is our germinating power. This power we have to awaken. If this power is awakened, then She rises in the centre, in the present, integrating all these centres: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven centres. All of them representing our seven beings within us; also representing our growth in the evolutionary process, like the milestones, integrating all of them, enlightening them. And She takes us to that point where we become, again I say ‘we become’! We do not assume. It’s not a conception. You become. You become that. You become the Spirit. You become Realised. You get Realisation. It is not just talking about it. It has to happen. If it does not happen, say, it does not happen to my own children, I will say, “It does not happen. What can I do about it? I cannot sprout your seed!” The seed has to be sprouted and sprouting has to take place. It’s not a plastic seed. It is the real seed. And every real seed must be sprouted. And every real seed can be sprouted. But unless and until it is sprouted we cannot say that it is there. Now the sprouting of the seed takes place by the rising of the Kundalini, going through all these centres and piercing through this area called as the fontanel bone. Now you know that you are ‘baptised’. This bone is baptised here. But nobody knows what it means, the baptism. Christ has said, “You have to be born again.” Now how many churches are doing that job? Only by giving a so-called blessing over here, do you get awakening of your Kundalini? I mean, let us face it! By going to any one of these Theological colleges and Theo (God) experts, can they produce this effect? Because this college is different. This is the college of God. Your authority doesn’t come by wearing a particular type of a dress and the gown and standing very seriously and saying, “Alright, I bless you!” Who are you to bless? It’s such a mockery going on! I mean, they have no right, they have no authority, they have no technique. Same about Hindus in India: I mean, if you think that Hindus are sensible people, you are sadly mistaken. We have thugs, absolute thugs as Brahmins. They are not Brahmins, they are actually Roman soldiers born in India. You see their faces. In Benares, especially they look like Romans! Horribly dishonest and aggressive they are. It’s all mockery going on in the name of God. But when the Kundalini really rises before a person, who is an authorised person, you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini in the triangular bone, even above it, wherever it is there. Now there are so many people here who have seen. In London, we have so many people who have seen it. But, still the question of ego is quite a lot; it’s quite a lot because people can’t believe it. They just don’t want to believe it. They want to continue with their nonsense. They just don’t want to get it. And also, they feel, “Why Mataji? Why should she do it?” I mean, I said, “Now if it is my lot, what am I to do? Now you better do it!” If you can take my place, I’ll be very happy to settle down. Now, you know I have been travelling, travelling for months together. Now Portugal, from Portugal I came then this programme, that programme and it’s too much! But what I feel that if supposing that’s my work, I should do it, isn’t it? And whatever is your work, you should do it! I mean, I don’t feel that. You know so many other things [that] I do not know. I don’t know even how to drive! I’m so bad at many things! So I do not feel bad. Why should you feel so bad if I know the work of Kundalini? Moreover, I do it out of love; just love, nothing but love. In that love I find also lots of happiness and that is what is essential. I have come for that purpose only. It has to be done. If it is not done, what is going to happen to this human race? Nothing but destruction you can see it clearly, writ large. It’s not a frivolous thing that we should give up. We have to understand that we have to get transformed. The whole human race has to be transformed. And this is the Last Judgment today. It has started. You are going to be judged by your Kundalini. How? God is not going to weigh you, how many seers (an Indian measure equal to 1.25kg) you weigh. Like the way you have here beauty competitions. It is the Kundalini, which is going to say how far you are. I have seen people in Birmingham before I have come. I found, I am sorry to say, but in Birmingham I have seen [that] people are very frivolous. They come to my programme, get their Realisation - finished! They are not bothered about it, to see what it is, what they have to do, why they got it. It’s like Christ’s parable that: you throw some seeds here and some seeds there and so many of them are just wasted. It’s such a sad tale of human callousness and lack of self-esteem. Absolutely, it is a very sad tale. You do not know what we are facing. And that’s why people play with their lives in such a cheap way. It’s most surprising. Tomorrow their children are going to teach them a lesson! And I don’t know what’s going to happen to your children. So now, I have to request you to be attentive about it, to get to it, work it out, have it within you and know all the knowledge about yourself and about the Spirit. It is a very simple thing to give Realisation but very difficult, in this country specially, to maintain it. So, for you, it is necessary to put in an effort after Realisation, not before. Before you cannot. Before that somebody will work it out. But after Realisation, you have to look after yourself, look after your being. This is what you have to see, this is what you have to have. Now some people have been to some other things like I would say ‘TM’ (Transcendental ‘Meditation’) now. I went to Portugal. I was surprised the boys had nothing. They did not know what they were doing. They did not know they had no feeling, nothing. They did not know if they were Realised or not Realised, if I was Realised or not Realised. They had no sensitivity, they had no awareness developed, nothing! What they were doing was saying some ‘mantra’, and by saying that mantra, they were really cutting out all the sensitivities within them because these were artificial things. I mean, you can do it. Why take mantra? Even if you say, “Stone, stone, stone, stone, stone, stone,” and go on saying for three months, you will be in the lunatic asylum. And the people from this TM now are coming as epilepsy. We have here two people who have come with epilepsy. But I told them, “Why don't you tell your mantra?” They said, “Why do You want to know?” I said, “Because you are under that conditioning which I have to remove. I know already but you have to tell me to show the courage that you want to get rid of it.” They said, “It's a secret.” I said, “How can that be a secret?” What is secret in nature? Have you seen anything? See the ocean. See the flowers. The best is open. Absolutely the whole Brahma, the whole Truth is open. If it is not open, it is not Truth. If it is hidden, how can it be the Truth? Truth is light. It has to be transparent, absolutely clear-cut. But this secrecy business can be only with thugs and with mafias and things like that, because they are afraid. They are afraid of the statues of God, of His laws. That's why it is a secret. In nature or in any God's work, in any great man's life, what was secret? They were standing on top of the hills and mountains and shouting, “Be awakened, you the blind!” What was done secretly in Christ's life, I would like to know. Was there anything secretive in His lifetime? Why this kind of a secrecy working? Why not people understand? It is important that human beings must know that the time has come for them to transform; to enter into the kingdom of God; to be the citizen of God; to be looked after by His angels and all-pervading Divine love. He is a Father who is compassion and love. He forgives all our sins and everything because He wants us to have all His powers and all His beauty. You cannot understand a Father of that kind who is absolutely, impatiently waiting for you, who is so anxious. And that is the only concern He has out of everything that, “When are my children going to know me?” At this stage, when we cling on to things, which are useless, and nonsense. You must know that, “What did we know in our awareness?” This is the only question you should ask yourself. Do I know what’s the matter with this person? Do I know what’s the matter with me? If there is light, I will know. I will know the other person as well as myself. Supposing you have a light in your hand, you see yourself and you see the other person. But if there is light within you, you see your light and in your light you see the other person. That’s what happens in Realisation that you get collectively conscious, you become collectively conscious. Again I say, you actualise that awareness. It is not that I tell you, you are all brothers and sisters but it just happens to you that you start feeling others on your fingertips. This is a very dynamic thing should happen to all of you. It's not per chance I am here. It looks like that because my husband got elected to this post and I had to come from India. But it's not per chance. It is the tribute to this great country that I had to be here and tribute to my English children that I had to be here to look after you. For I must tell you, I have told so many people, and I must tell you - of course it should not give you ego but is a simple thing - that English young people are the best in the whole world. Among all the young people, they are sensible, scholarly, wise, logical. If you give them logic, they are sensible. But for Birmingham, I cannot say just now. Let's see how it works out. We have some very good high people, very great people but some. On the whole, England is the heart of the whole universe. From here, everything circulates. You have no idea of this country. You have no esteem of this country. The way we have tortured our motherland here. I wish people could know. She is suffering within herself. Only Blake has cried, he has cried of Jerusalem and that's what I’m talking about. He could see that vision because he was that sensitive. He’s the one who was a Realised soul, and he was that sensitive, He could feel it. And the way he has described, the way he has talked [about] the glory of this country. All this inertia, all this lethargy, all these curses that are settling into this country are because of our foolishness and stupidity. You are the most dynamic people. And not only that, in spirituality you are very dynamic. For your spiritual work, you can be very, very dynamic. You are the ones who are going to throw away all the shackles of nonsense and you are the ones who are going to recreate a beautiful arena for the whole world. That's why I am here. I have been here for six years, you won't believe that. And again I am here for six years, perhaps, I hope so. I hope something substantial will be done in all the parts where the English, who are my children, who are saints of the past, are born in this country. Receive this and settle into it and not waste the energy in the ego that your forefathers did: who were nonsensical, they just wasted their life! Because you are not the same. You are different people. You are people, very different. Your aspirations are different. Of course there were some great people also in the past, I am not saying that, but not so many as there are today. But they will be lost if they try to follow the mundane type of understanding of life. It is much subtler, much greater. Unless and until you are Realised, you cannot understand what I am talking. Krishna has said, “yasa pashyati sa pashyati” (यः पश्यति स पश्यति)(Bhagavad Geeta 5.5) (meaning) “The one who can see, can only see,” [So] what’s the use of talking to the blind? And I went to see Mr. Mascaró (who translated Bhagavad Geeta into English), you might have heard his name from Cambridge and, aaah, the love and everything! The way he surrendered himself and absolutely. And he said, “Mother, ya sah pashyati sa pashyati!” The one who can see can only see. How many can see you? Can they see you?” I said, “I am sorry, not so many. I am sorry for them.” He said, “I have a friend who has a Nobel Prize and he has developed this thing ,and he's got a Nobel prize. Oh, he’s so blind, he’s so blind! He doesn’t know Who has given him this power, how has he got this. Who has made this universe, he doesn't know. But how can you talk to him?” I said, “He’ll come. He'll come when many will be there. Then they start thinking, “Oh, so many have gone? Let’s also follow!’” But the transformation is the only way which is the most convincing. If there is no transformation in you, who is going to believe in Sahaja Yoga or in me? Like many people who know me personally say that “You are unique. You are different. But we can't believe that you can transform people.” I am not transforming. There is already all [the] arrangements there! All the cord is there, just to put to the plug to the mains! That’s all I am doing. I am not transforming them! You are just ready for it and it works out. So please take your Realisation. Maintain it. And receive that glory which is meant for you. May God bless you. Questions, please. Not nonsensical, “I read in a book of a tantric…” and this and that. All that I don't want to discuss any library and any controversial points. Please ask something sensible. And I think you will know what to ask. Thank you. Thank you very much. Without any fear, I am your Mother. I am not a guru. Absolutely, I am your Mother. You are your own guru. Only thing [is] I have to give you the keys of your gurudom, that’s all. Just ask me a very simple question, coming from simplicity, not complicated. How many! I must say we got fifty people. Just I had gone for a wedding. Imagine, to have fifty people Realised. And such great love. You don't know how much. And the recognition is so great. I mean, I was amazed at those people. I think poverty is a blessing in a way. Wonderful people, very beautiful. Questions please. I mean, many of you cannot think because your Kundalini has crossed this (Agnya). When it crosses Agnya, you cannot think. You go into thoughtless awareness, so you just cannot think. Even if you want, you cannot think, that’s the problem. So just try to think! This is your own Kundalini which is transforming. In Australia today, I received a trunk call from Australia and they said, “Mother, we don't have to say anything about anything. Just the Kundalini does the job!” Now these Australians were supposed to be convicts and things! Imagine their children are doing such wonders! Much more than in England, for your information. Two boys came to India, two of them, and they have got now two hundred people. Hm, what is it, what is it?( Somebody asks a question.) What is he saying? "I, I, I” I only hear “I, I, I.” Yogi: He says there are lots of people he knows in Birmingham who feel in a similar way, that they have given up. They have been disappointed and given up. Shri Mataji: What is disappointment? Is it selling something here? Your whole attitude is of ego. We are disappointment in you or in me? Yogi: No he says other people, not him. People he knows. Shri Mataji: What are they disappointed? Seeker: They just talk about life and different things, you know. Things don’t work out. Shri Mataji: What is it? Related to them. No. Isn't it? Seeker: A lot of people around us feel how confused and corrupt and other things, you know. And we are part of them. How I am now, I’ll tell you the truth, I’m declining and I don’t like it. This here, to me, is like a last chance, you know, for me trying to understand this world. Shri Mataji: Alright. You are a very nice boy. And this should work out. Now what you said is correct but even if you want to love somebody, people don't like it. You see, they want to hate. This is possible. I do not say. But now how to make people love? Even when we love somebody, we do not love the way it should be Divine. The Divine love is something like the sap rising in the tree. It goes to every part of the tree, goes to all the flowers, doesn't get attached to any one and comes back. Supposing it gets attached to one flower, “This is my flower, my child, my son, my community, my, my, my.” Alright? It's finished. The tree is finished, the flower is finished. Alright? So the Divine love is, is all-pervading. It exists all the time. It articulates within us. But still we are not feeling it. Like I would say there is ether here. There are lots of scenes and sceneries here, but we cannot see. When you just plug a television, you start seeing them, catching them. In the same way, your television is not yet plugged, that’s why people are disappointed. You are disappointed actually in yourself because you find that, “What is this instrument for?” Sometimes it is loved by somebody. Somebody it is thrown by somebody. Somebody tries to mishandle sometimes. Somebody wants to fondle it. What sort of an instrument is this one? But then you reach a point where you become the Spirit, and the Spirit enjoys itself. The joy the Spirit has is enjoying itself all the time. Our Spirit is enjoying itself. It is not bothered whether other loves you or not. It doesn't bother. The Spirit in your heart enjoys itself. Alright? But what happens [is that] we are not aware of it. So when this thing happens to you, your attention becomes enlightened by that enjoyment of the Spirit and you enjoy. You become a different person all together. You forget all this. All these discriminations, nonsenses, everything drops out just like that because you become that Universal Being. This is not talking only, my child, it is happening. It has to happen. When it will happen, you will see the whole world will be changed. That has to change. After all, God never created some place here and some place there, He created one universe and one world. It is human beings madly, they have changed [it]. “Now this is your territory, this is mine!” It's all falsehood! To me it is a myth. You know, till the end I had to go to Portugal. I had not taken my visa - can you imagine? - in the morning. Then they asked me, “What about your visa?” I said, “What visa?” “To Portugal.” I said, “I never do. I have to take visa?” He said, “Of course you have to take a visa!” So in the morning, you see, everybody has to rush from my husband's office to get their visa. I just travel just like that. I thought, “What is the need?” Like a criminal carrying the number of your passport and everything. Isn't it funny? Imagine to a person like me who is absolutely naive in human affairs. It’s absurd. Why to carry on this? After all, we are all human beings created by one God, on one Earth, in complete unison. We are part and parcel of that one Primordial Being. We are cells in that body of that Great Being. And we are fragmented. That’s why, once you know that you are the part of that, your fragmentation goes away and you become that. You become that. Then all your sense of security is established, all your self-esteem is established, all your glory comes to you and you start distributing it. I say [that] this is the meeting point of capitalism into to communism. When you have no capitalism means in the sense you have no capital of your own. After all these capitals, all will vanish. This is useless. But the capital of your Spirit, when you have, you distribute. You give. That's the greatest communism. You can't live without it. You have to distribute your love. See if I don't get any human beings then I'll get some plants or something or some flowers, I'll try to love them. It's like that. Alright? You just wait and see. And you get all of them who are disappointed for nothing at all. Their connections are loose still. I have to just screw them up a little. Alright? ( laughing) Not to get disappointed my child the Reality is so beautiful. It's just lying ahead of us. Don't be worried. Everything is going to be alright. Alright? May God bless you. Now any other question? What a sweet thing to say, isn't it? You want to ask some questions? Lady seeker: Can you tell us about death? Shri Mataji: Death? Lady seeker: Yes Shri Mataji: Now, why of all the things? Alright, I’ll tell you. Death doesn’t exist. There’s nothing like death. We are made of five cocoons, you see. One of them is the cocoon of food called as annamay kosh (अन्नमय कोश - made from food). Only that drops out (on death). And also a little bit of water within us also drops out. The rest of it remains. Nothing to die! I wish we could die but we cannot! (laughing) It’s just changing of cloths! Like when I came to Birmingham, I just changed my clothes in the hotel and came here: to be refreshed, to be new. It’s just like that. As our clothes become dirty, we change them, or become old, we just change it. That’s all. Death doesn’t exist, it’s a myth. But we believe - you see, this is another conception - that by dying we solve the problem. Like we had some Swedish girls, much younger, seventeen year old girls and they had vibrations just like a dead body! I was amazed. I called them in my house and I said, “What’s the matter with you? Why are you having such vibrations? What are you doing? What is your pastime?” They said, “Mother, our main thing is that we are planning how to commit suicide!” Can you imagine? Sweden, the most affluent country. The young girls of seventeen years, blossoming like flowers, should think of their death. Why? Because what does not die, is your Spirit. You seek your Spirit. That’s why people want death because they have not found that eternal thing. Nothing dies. It’s a myth. You should think of life and of eternal life. If we really want to be sensible, we should really not think of death because then we go onto the left hand side, onto the subconscious, then into the collective subconscious. Like these, you must have seen these supernatural business going on, you see, and then you can be possessed by them and you can be very much in trouble. Now practically every day I must be driving them out in thousands, can you imagine? Yesterday I went to a place where there were all installed there very nicely, some old johnnies sitting there still. I said, “Now, why don’t you depart and take your births? Or go to your own places?” They just don’t want to go. They act as, what you call, these spirits and things like that. So forget it. We have to live in the present because it’s the most beautiful thing, absolutely beauty. What is in death? Nothing to be so serious. Cheerfulness is the sign of life. What are you all upset about so much? What is your problem? Now tell me. All the problems can be solved if you get your Realisation, believe me, even so called material problems. Not to that extent. You will not become [Mr.] Fords but you will be satisfied souls and also you will have sufficient. “Yoga kshema vahamyaham", Krishna has said. (meaning) “When you get your yoga, I look after your wellbeing.” Your physical, mental, emotional and your material, everything He looks after. Alright? It’s assured! Seeker: Now matter which way it comes to you and it’s true, you recognise the person. Shri Mataji: You do recognise? May God bless you for that. You are very sensitive because people don’t. If they had recognised, why did they crucify Christ? Just imagine these thugs whom we are giving so much of money and people are going to them, and the nonsensical people, how they are using your women and all sorts of life they are leading, and how we have surrendered to them with all of our intelligence and rationality and to Christ? What did we give Him is a cross? You have to really have a proper sensitivity to understand Truth, really. Otherwise normally people are naive. If somebody comes with two horns, they like that person much more than a normal person. One must carry a circus, you know! The circus is on. Truth is something which doesn't require any adoration with it - nothing. It shines by itself. And there are many Realised-souls born on this land of your England like these children are. They are all born realised and they have feelings and some of them are born with the knowledge of Kundalini - many, many. You don’t know what dynamic people are going to [be] born in this country, very dynamic. We have already had a birth of a very dynamic person in London. Ask these children. They are must be getting cool breeze. Are you getting cool breeze my children? In the hand? Is he? What is he saying? Yogini: Not too cool Shri Mataji: Not too good? But still it is coming, yah? See they never will be satisfied because other vibrations are also here. Now, what about you? Let's see. Just see, not yet? Put your hands just like this. Let's see? Please put your hands like this. Just like that. Put both the feet straight and sit very comfortably but with a little alertness. Straight, like this. Just like this. You start receiving that through your fingers. And an invitation is sent to the Kundalini when She rises. And now close your eyes. Please close your eyes. Now what happens is that you start feeling a cool breeze on your hand, through your fingers. A kind of a cool breeze which is known as “The cool breeze of the Holy Ghost”. That is the first thing, that’s the first symptom. Put your both the feet on the ground. Touching [the ground] if possible. If they cannot touch, it's alright, but normally [they should]. And little apart. Don't open your eyes. Just keep them [closed]. It will be alright. Do not think. Do not think. Thinking should be finished. If it is not finished then open your eyes and watch me. If there is no thought coming then it is alright. Just open your eyes and watch me without thinking. You can do it. Better? Watch me without thinking. Got a Hamsa [catch]. Now don't worry about declining and all that. Alright? Don't feel guilty about anything. Because I am talking about the ocean of love. You see, you are standing before the ocean. Now what is your guilt? It's just a spec. Alright? Now forget it. Close your eyes. Now don't think about any guilts or anything like that. That's a nonsensical thing, absolutely nonsensical because compared to the ocean of forgiveness, what is a guilt? Just forget it. You are going to just get it. It’s freely being distributed. It’s your own. Do not condemn yourself. This is the temple of God. Love yourself, first of all, respect. Now better. Close your eyes my child. Close your eyes. You must get it to understand everything. We have to forgive others. Just forgive. We must know that it’s a myth. If we do not forgive, also, we are just torturing ourselves. We are not torturing anybody else. Just forgive everyone. Just say, “I forgive.” Then only we can ask for forgiveness, isn’t it? You just forgive and then ask for forgiveness from God, that, “By mistake if I have done any mistake, by any sort of aggression or any torture, or anything - please forgive me.” And He forgives. Just forgive. Ask for His forgiveness and He'll forgive. Nothing needed. Just to ask for it and He will do it. But do not condemn yourself because your Father, the almighty Lord has created you and He cannot make any mistakes. You might have done some wrong but doesn't matter. Sakshat Shiva Parvati, Om Sakshat Shiva Parvati, Om Sakshat Shiva Parvati Om Sakshat Atmam, Om Sakshat Atmam. Please pay attention to your heart now. And just say, “I am the Spirit.”
8/14/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6717	Finding out the Truth	England	Preston	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	48	Public Program. Preston (UK), 14 August 1980. No I was just waiting; I thought what has happened. Sorry for this, for the confusion. I was just trying to find out. I am really sorry. "David spoke, did he?" David must have told you what I am going to talk about, the introduction. I am talking about the truth. And the truth we must find out. We have been used to talking about it quite a lot. People have told what is truth is. Many have said that this is the truth. The truth is that you are the instrument of God, that you have to become one with God, that you have to be born again. But then, it's just saying that. It has not been actualized so far. It has to be actualized; that's the main point you see. Because talk talk talk talk talk has led us nowhere. And because of talk, people could give so many interpretations of the truth. Truth is one, single, and it can never be misinterpreted. To know the truth it is essential that whatever human awareness we have got, it has to be expanded. There is something still lacking in that awareness by which we cannot know God, we cannot know the truth. And that is why Christ has said you have to be born again. All of them have said. Mohammed Sahib has said that you have to become a Pir. Hindus say that you have to become a brahmin. Means you have to be born again. Dwija means you have to be born again. Now what are they talking about? All the time when they say you have to be born again, then there must be some truth about it. All of them all over the world cannot talk of the same thing. There must be something they are trying to tell - that we are not at that point where we can see the truth. Like Krishna has said that those who can see can see, those who cannot see cannot see. Means there is something that is less in us that we cannot see. Something beyond has to happen within us by which we can see. First of all, to know God you have to know your Spirit. Without knowing your Spirit you cannot know God. When you say that "Yes I know," what is your I? Who is this I? Which part of you is this I which knows? This I is not your Spirit. It could be your conditioning or could be your ego. Could be anything but it is not your Spirit. When you know through Spirit, you know it as an actualization. Within you lies this power, the dormant power, which is responsible for giving you your second birth. Is the germinating power within you. Like you have a connection for every instrument. In the same way you have got this germinating power with in you, which has to rise to connect you with that all pervading subtle power of God through your Spirit. Once you feel that power within you, you can actually feel it in your central nervous system flowing from your fingers, from your hand, from your feet, from your being. In the beginning you just feel it flowing from your hand. Now you can see this pulsation of this Kundalini with your naked eyes. Actually you can see it when It is rising. You can feel the rising of It. You can feel the throbbing here and when the throbbing stops, immediately you become absolutely relaxed and you start feeling this cool breeze flowing from you. Before the Kundalini crosses this, you have all your thoughts around you. But as soon as She pierces this center, which is placed in the pituitary and the pineal body, in between there, at that crossing point of optic chiasma there is a subtle centre, when it pierces that then you your thoughts stop. Means you can see your thoughts. You become thoughtlessly aware. You do not go into trance or anything but you are thoughtlessly aware. When it pierces through your fontanel bone area, which we call as baptism, this is called as Brahmarandra in Sanskrit means opening to the Brahma to the Divine Power. This hole where we baptize, also must have heard people baptizing and many people are baptized like that. But that's all artificial because they have no authority. Even if they touch here and touch there makes no difference because from them the power is not flowing. The power has to flow. If there is no power, it has no meaning. But this power is the power of Divine Love. When that pierces, the Kundalini pierces this, then you feel a cool sensation comes over. You feel as if you have got rid of all your tensions and problems, as if you have become a witness of your life. Depends on what sort of a personality you have. Some people get a very deep experience but some do not. Some people don't get Realization, may even get pat [? Not clear] by the Kundalini. Because supposing you have some problems down below, Kundalini rushes out at the first outset. But She comes back again to repair the different parts, the different beings within you. When She rises, She integrates you. Completely integrates all your beings. These are all different steps of your evolution. She integrates all of them. She supplies energy to sympathetic nervous system by which She gives you recovery from ill health, mental tensions, mental problems. So many people have been cured like that as a by-product. But Kundalini awakening is a process or a method which is employed by nature in human beings to know God, to know spirit. As a by-product these things happen. It is not for the curing of people but as a by-product. Like, supposing I am coming to this house or room or like that, how they have decorated this, cleaned it. In the same way, if God has to be established in your heart, if He is to be awakened, your body is cleansed and as a result of that cleansing you get this curing. But it is not a curing by mental effort, by suggestions that "You are all right, you are better," and all those things. It's not psychological. It's a happening, it's an actualization. Now when the Kundalini pierces through your fontanel bone area, in your hand you start feeling the cool breeze. It is now accepted in the medical science that these fingers and these portions represent your sympathetic plexuses. But here you can see that. But after Realization you find that they have become awakened. Through them you can start feeling your self and others. For example, now those who are realized, they are just like you to look at but they are realized - they can feel your chakras. And you will also - when you are realized, you can start feeling your own chakras and the chakras of other people. This is enlightenment - that you start seeing it as an actualization. It is not that you say, "All right, I may be feeling, may not be feeling." It is not that. It's... actually you feel it in a big way and you start judging it and finding it out by which you can relate yourself to the absolute questions. For example, if you want to know if there is God or not, as if like a computer you get connected with that Divine Power. And now you ask just a question "Is there God?" And you get a tremendous flow of cool breeze in your hand. This is known as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. All this is described in all the scriptures. But only thing in some scriptures it is described in a very mystic manner, like in the Bible, because people were so foolish. Even when people did not talk much about it, Christ was crucified within few years time. Such stupid people lived there that they wouldn't accept this. But in India, lot of secret work has been done on this subject for thousands of years and they have talked about it. They have a name for Christ. They have predicted His coming and every thing has been there. They have predicted about Mohammed and every one because they are all one. Only people who are foolish and stupid, can't see, see them as different. All these great incarnations have come as flowers on one tree. But when we remove the flowers, they become ugly and they become separated. Not only that but they are dead flowers. And then we start fighting: "This is my flower, this is my flower". Otherwise they are all connected with each other absolutely. You can see this is the tree of life described in the Bible. And this is the tree of life if you understand. You can see that at the culmination of it with a real lotus of one thousand petals that resides in our limbic area here. Around limbic area this petal is there. And this is the most important centre now because it has got all the centers represented inside it. All the seven centers which you see here are represented in the brain. For example, you start from here, now this is the center at the back. The first centre is represented here at the back, one centre. Then the second one is the centre, that yellow one you see, is represented here. The third one is the Nabhi is represented here. The fourth one, which is the Heart, is represented here through which the Kundalini passes. So heart is the most important thing; if you have no heart it won't work out. If you have a frozen heart, if you have no love, it won't work out. So at the heart point only it pierces out, and you can see the pulsation there before it pierces out. In front of that is the fifth center called as the Vishudhhi which is here, is placed about here, is the Vishuddhi. And then this is the centre Agnya. This is the centre here as well as it is the centre placed in the same place inside the brain. Like that you have all the seven centers in our limbic area up. And these seven centers are controlled by the heart. The heart controls all these seven centers. It is the heart which controls the brain and not brain that controls the heart. We are going the other way round. We cannot control our heart, can we? We cannot control our heart but we can control our thinking. We can control our projections and things. But we cannot control our heart. Heart works on its own, it is independent. Now this independent organ, which is heart, has got the sprit in it. So far we have never known the joy of our spirit. It is the spirit that enjoys itself, and when our attention becomes one with that spirit we also get that joy. Normally we will say we are happy or we are unhappy. I have met some people who told Me, "Oh we went to that Guru we were very happy." I said, "You could be happy in the pub also. What is happiness?" Happiness is not the way to judge any one, neither unhappiness. Unhappiness comes to you through this super ego and happiness through this ego. But joy has no double face, joy is joy. In joy, you witness, you witness the whole thing. And when you are joyous you feel the whole thing, the joy itself coming on you like grace falling on to you. It's so beautiful that you just get lost into it. Now the time has come; the blossom time has come for many people to get Realization. They have to get it. This is predicted, the time has come that you all have to get Realization. This is actually the last judgment. But the last judgment is not going to start by the way people think it to be - like we will be put into these weighing pans and weighed. It is not that way. It is going to be through some sort of a happening within us and that happening is this Kundalini awakening. When the Kundalini awakening takes place, we start judging ourselves, leave alone others. We start judging ourselves, we start knowing ourselves. Where are we? What are we catching? What is the problem? Where, what is the centre catching? And you start correcting yourself. God is the ocean of compassion. He is not going to just throw you in the dust for nothing at all. He is going to give you full chance to improve yourself, to develop yourself, to mature yourself. He is going to look after you. He is your father who loves you the most. And He wants you to share all His powers and every thing and enter into His kingdom. But are we seeking that kingdom? If you are seeking, which is the way? It is through our heart if you are seeking, it works out. God has already planned everything so beautifully within us; every thing is done so well. But we are extremist. We go to extremes; either we go to the left side or to the right side. Either we are over-ambitious or we are sly, we are slow (and) we don't want to take every thing upon ourselves. This type of behavior in life leads us away from the central path, the central path of ascent, and that's how there are problems within us. Of course these problems can be solved, resolved, and every thing can be done. The Kundalini looks after you and you do get your Realization. I mean, so far I have seen wherever I have traveled, even in Glasgow yesterday, except for one or two people everybody got it. Everybody got their Realization. But then you take time to establish it and that (establishment) should be done. For example, a cancer disease cannot be cured by any thing else but this. This is the only way. This is the only way cancer can be cured. Cancer is setting within us every moment, every moment it is setting within us because of the sympathetic activity. We are all the time working out this or that (and) going to the extremes. And with the extremes sometimes it so happens that one cell becomes more active then the others. Again it is brought to the normal through the activity of the parasympathetic which is in the center. But it so happens that you just sometimes get lost because of too much activity. For example, say this is the left side and this is the right side and both are working. Now if some... by any chance one starts moving too much and extracting too much energy, this connection breaks. And when this connection breaks, what happens (is) that this becomes on its own, this becomes on its own. When it becomes on its own you become segmented and fragmented like a cell, and that cell then starts moving on its own. Like, we are too segmented and very much fragmented in our society. We are so much fragmented that we are just like cancer cells. We are growing, we think "Oh we have achieved so much, we have achieved so much of thing and we are so successful," this that. But I think that's not the success, that's a cancer. Success is when the whole gets enlightened. When you become one with the whole, that's the real success. To be one with the whole is the real success. And when that success is achieved, then you really enjoy that growth - that growth of your awareness which makes you one with the whole. That is what you have to know, is to become your whole. You are just a fragment, a segment, a cell. You have to become the whole and that can be done only through this connection. It is all being done, before also for thousands of years. But on the tree of life there were very few people to begin with, one or two. And those who were also like that, were crucified, murdered, or butchered. Nobody wanted to accept them. Imagine Christ had only twelve disciples who were not even realized souls. They were fishermen. How could you talk to them about Kundalini? Just ordinary fishermen. And He lived there for four years and when they crucified Him and when He was resurrected then only they believed Him. Before that they would not. So His life was some how useless to them because they could not get their Realization from Him. In the same way, all the great real saints have been tortured and troubled by society. Never people accepted the truth; even today it is so. I have seen people who are false have a better turnover as they say than the people who are truthful. There was one very good guru in Bengal and I asked him, "Why don't you go to America?" And within three days he returned back from New York. He told Me, "Nothing doing, I am going back home. I am not going work out with these people, I have no patience. They are very ignorant. They don't want the truth; they want some sort of a circus. Let them have the circus." This is what it is. See some people want to fly in the air, some people want to jump, some want to become naked. All these things you can do in any case. What is there so great? You have to get something that is beyond, something special, something unique that happens to you, by which you become one with the whole. This is what should be asked for, not for all other things that people ask for. Isn't it? That's the truth. You have to achieve it, to be in your collective consciousness. Today the time has been too much and I think we should work it out. If it works out, it is a good thing. That's the best thing that should happen. But if you have any question, I don't mind answering. You got some water? [Question: Mataji, after the experience of Kundalini and presuming the experiences of unity in consciousness, one has to start assuming go back and start working on the [Inaudible]....subtle system. Is this period of time that we are going through quickening this particular cleaning or do we have to spend still a life time?] Mother: That's what may be with others, not with me. I am quite an expert; I have jet Kundalini. May be with others - those who are naive. I am sorry it is so. What can I do? I have mastered this. You see it depends on what sort of an engineer you are, isn't it? May be I am quite an expert. Some people, supposing villagers, they come to the city and put their fingers in the in the plugs and say that the electricity gives you shocks. They do not know anything. Some people have written books like that, you will be amazed, about Kundalini. I was amazed. How could they write books? They have just got shocks from the Kundalini, and they have written about shocks. You must have read yourselves some books like that. They are absolutely naive; they don't know anything about Kundalini. First of all, the person who deals with Kundalini has to be a loving person, absolutely love, and should be a holy person. He cannot be a person who is making money out of Kundalini awakening. How can you? How can you... How can you do something that is Divine? Even living - you cannot do that by giving money. Can you transform a flower into a fruit by giving money to it? It's a living thing, it's a living thing. And this, one who knows and one who is an... authority is a bad word, I would not say because it is not a good word to express that. But the one who is in it, the one whose job is this, can do it. This is all they are talking is that these are your karmas, you must clean... Then why do you have a guru? I don't understand. If you have to clean our karmas and you have to do this, then why have a guru? It is better to pickle them. And so many are there just making money out of you. Just, just imagine what they are doing. Befooling to the last. You can't imagine to what amount they have befooled people in this country, in a way, in America too. They are teaching them to fly they are... I mean, all sorts of things they are doing. If you listen to the stories of the people who have been to them, you will not know how to stop your laughter. It's such a simple thing. It is simple for Me because that's My job. Like, when you put some seed in the mother earth, she sprouts the seed. That's her job; that's her style. See, but if you do anything to the seed otherwise, you make it hang up and down and do anything like that, it won't sprout. Then people say it takes hours and ages. It will. Put it in the mother's womb and it can be done. That's the nature - to do it. In the same way, it's My nature, perhaps, maybe. Question: I have experienced the joy. Mother: Pardon? Question: I have experienced the joy... Mother: You are? Good, great; just enjoy it. That's your own right to have it. You all were saints seeking God, sometimes long-long time back. The time has come for you to take. But you must accept the truth. Why are you running after falsehood? People are running after falsehood, then what to do? Then they suffer, then they come to Me. Then I have to cure them, put them right, do this, do that, and then they get it. It is so simple; after all, you have become a human being by doing nothing at all. From amoeba to this stage who has made you? You just become that, isn't it? What are you going to do now, standing on your heads and doing all these things? What is so difficult about it? I can't understand. It's all done for you. How much is done for you? See in the nature, how much God has done for us. Why should Kundalini trouble you? Also, some people say that you start jumping like a frog if the Kundalini awakens. Do you know that? One gentleman who came was sitting with his feet like this towards Me. So people said, "No, you can't put your feet towards Mother like that." So he said, "No, no, I cannot sit otherwise." I said, "Why?" He said, "My Kundalini is awakened and I am jumping like a frog." So I said, "Are you going to become a frog now that you are jumping like a frog?" It's, it should be logical, it should be logical. You are not going to become a frog, or a bird to fly in the air. You are going to become a person with a higher awareness of collective consciousness. You are going to become, again I say that. All right? Did you gave them Realization or something? Some of them have got it already. It's so simple. In a split of a second the Kundalini rises. Just like that. But there are problems on the way, sometimes you see, so She stops. Otherwise, it is the easiest thing to do, just to raise the Kundalini, if the people are simple. If they are complicated, there is a problem. In India in the villages... not in the cities you see, cities all the thugs are there. But in the villages, thousands of them get their Realization just like that. You see the whole blossom, as if all of them are converting themselves, transforming themselves into fruits. Just see that. All right, lets have your hands like that. Close your eyes please, just close your eyes. First of all, if you watch your thoughts, you will find there are no thoughts in your mind. If you want to think, you can think. But you will find that there are no thoughts. And then you will find a kind of a cool breeze coming in your hand. Some people might feel a little tingling or like that, doesn't matter. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Jara Dekho, Sar pe Dhire Dhire Hath Rakh ke [Hindi meaning 'Just see, by moving your hand slowly over the head']. David, just see. Keep your hands open. You have got it. Just fills Mother [not clear], you can see that so clearly. Now you got it. Inko dekho... Hogaya? [Hindi meaning 'Look after him...Has it happened?'] He has got it. Got it, it's going up. You got it too. Inkeliye. [Hindi meaning 'I am talking about him.'] Enjoy yourself, close your eyes, just enjoy. Don't think about it. Just allow it to work out. Growth has started. Don't think about it, just leave it; you found it. Just leave it grow, leave it to grow. Got it, he has got it. Just feel her. Just, just feel her. Can you feel above, on her head? You just put your hand and see. This lady here. Yes. Please put both your hands towards Me, like this straight, yes. It will work out. Do not think. Just think... if you have to think you just say that "I forgive everyone". That's all. Just forgive. You have to forgive, just forgive. You have to forgive. May God bless you. Don't cry my child, now you found it. Don't cry. Don't cry. See how much we have to do in this world. Now the meaning of your life is coming through. Phillip. Got it? Very good. Now you have a meaning and a purpose. Forgive, just forgive, forgive, forgive every one, you have to forgive. As I was saying that if you don't forgive, actually we are playing into the hands of people who have troubled us. We are harming ourselves by not forgiving. Just forgive. Question: Actually I have not felt the cool breeze here... Mother: There? Yes, yes. It will work out. Just raise it. "What do you say Phil?" Phil: There is some heat coming out. Mother: All right, all right. Let it come. Let it come out. Just enjoy yourself, just enjoy. Do not think about it; sit very comfortably. You can put your hands on your lap. Just enjoy; enjoyment is the thing which is lacking in life. It is all right, good... great. Just forgive, just forgive. See this gentleman. He got it also; see this gentleman. Do not think, do not think. Better now? Hahn [Hindi meaning 'Yes!']. Now it's better. Good. Great! Dono ke Bahut Achha. [Hindi meaning 'It was good with both of them'] It's good. Better? Now you feel relaxed.	null	null	null	Public Program. Preston (UK), 14 August 1980. No I was just waiting; I thought what has happened. Sorry for this, for the confusion. I was just trying to find out. I am really sorry. "David spoke, did he?" David must have told you what I am going to talk about, the introduction. I am talking about the truth. And the truth we must find out. We have been used to talking about it quite a lot. People have told what is truth is. Many have said that this is the truth. The truth is that you are the instrument of God, that you have to become one with God, that you have to be born again. But then, it's just saying that. It has not been actualized so far. It has to be actualized; that's the main point you see. Because talk talk talk talk talk has led us nowhere. And because of talk, people could give so many interpretations of the truth. Truth is one, single, and it can never be misinterpreted. To know the truth it is essential that whatever human awareness we have got, it has to be expanded. There is something still lacking in that awareness by which we cannot know God, we cannot know the truth. And that is why Christ has said you have to be born again. All of them have said. Mohammed Sahib has said that you have to become a Pir. Hindus say that you have to become a brahmin. Means you have to be born again. Dwija means you have to be born again. Now what are they talking about? All the time when they say you have to be born again, then there must be some truth about it. All of them all over the world cannot talk of the same thing. There must be something they are trying to tell - that we are not at that point where we can see the truth. Like Krishna has said that those who can see can see, those who cannot see cannot see. Means there is something that is less in us that we cannot see. Something beyond has to happen within us by which we can see. First of all, to know God you have to know your Spirit. Without knowing your Spirit you cannot know God. When you say that "Yes I know," what is your I? Who is this I? Which part of you is this I which knows? This I is not your Spirit. It could be your conditioning or could be your ego. Could be anything but it is not your Spirit. When you know through Spirit, you know it as an actualization. Within you lies this power, the dormant power, which is responsible for giving you your second birth. Is the germinating power within you. Like you have a connection for every instrument. In the same way you have got this germinating power with in you, which has to rise to connect you with that all pervading subtle power of God through your Spirit. Once you feel that power within you, you can actually feel it in your central nervous system flowing from your fingers, from your hand, from your feet, from your being. In the beginning you just feel it flowing from your hand. Now you can see this pulsation of this Kundalini with your naked eyes. Actually you can see it when It is rising. You can feel the rising of It. You can feel the throbbing here and when the throbbing stops, immediately you become absolutely relaxed and you start feeling this cool breeze flowing from you. Before the Kundalini crosses this, you have all your thoughts around you. But as soon as She pierces this center, which is placed in the pituitary and the pineal body, in between there, at that crossing point of optic chiasma there is a subtle centre, when it pierces that then you your thoughts stop. Means you can see your thoughts. You become thoughtlessly aware. You do not go into trance or anything but you are thoughtlessly aware. When it pierces through your fontanel bone area, which we call as baptism, this is called as Brahmarandra in Sanskrit means opening to the Brahma to the Divine Power. This hole where we baptize, also must have heard people baptizing and many people are baptized like that. But that's all artificial because they have no authority. Even if they touch here and touch there makes no difference because from them the power is not flowing. The power has to flow. If there is no power, it has no meaning. But this power is the power of Divine Love. When that pierces, the Kundalini pierces this, then you feel a cool sensation comes over. You feel as if you have got rid of all your tensions and problems, as if you have become a witness of your life. Depends on what sort of a personality you have. Some people get a very deep experience but some do not. Some people don't get Realization, may even get pat [? Not clear] by the Kundalini. Because supposing you have some problems down below, Kundalini rushes out at the first outset. But She comes back again to repair the different parts, the different beings within you. When She rises, She integrates you. Completely integrates all your beings. These are all different steps of your evolution. She integrates all of them. She supplies energy to sympathetic nervous system by which She gives you recovery from ill health, mental tensions, mental problems. So many people have been cured like that as a by-product. But Kundalini awakening is a process or a method which is employed by nature in human beings to know God, to know spirit. As a by-product these things happen. It is not for the curing of people but as a by-product. Like, supposing I am coming to this house or room or like that, how they have decorated this, cleaned it. In the same way, if God has to be established in your heart, if He is to be awakened, your body is cleansed and as a result of that cleansing you get this curing. But it is not a curing by mental effort, by suggestions that "You are all right, you are better," and all those things. It's not psychological. It's a happening, it's an actualization. Now when the Kundalini pierces through your fontanel bone area, in your hand you start feeling the cool breeze. It is now accepted in the medical science that these fingers and these portions represent your sympathetic plexuses. But here you can see that. But after Realization you find that they have become awakened. Through them you can start feeling your self and others. For example, now those who are realized, they are just like you to look at but they are realized - they can feel your chakras. And you will also - when you are realized, you can start feeling your own chakras and the chakras of other people. This is enlightenment - that you start seeing it as an actualization. It is not that you say, "All right, I may be feeling, may not be feeling." It is not that. It's... actually you feel it in a big way and you start judging it and finding it out by which you can relate yourself to the absolute questions. For example, if you want to know if there is God or not, as if like a computer you get connected with that Divine Power. And now you ask just a question "Is there God?" And you get a tremendous flow of cool breeze in your hand. This is known as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. All this is described in all the scriptures. But only thing in some scriptures it is described in a very mystic manner, like in the Bible, because people were so foolish. Even when people did not talk much about it, Christ was crucified within few years time. Such stupid people lived there that they wouldn't accept this. But in India, lot of secret work has been done on this subject for thousands of years and they have talked about it. They have a name for Christ. They have predicted His coming and every thing has been there. They have predicted about Mohammed and every one because they are all one. Only people who are foolish and stupid, can't see, see them as different. All these great incarnations have come as flowers on one tree. But when we remove the flowers, they become ugly and they become separated. Not only that but they are dead flowers. And then we start fighting: "This is my flower, this is my flower". Otherwise they are all connected with each other absolutely. You can see this is the tree of life described in the Bible. And this is the tree of life if you understand. You can see that at the culmination of it with a real lotus of one thousand petals that resides in our limbic area here. Around limbic area this petal is there. And this is the most important centre now because it has got all the centers represented inside it. All the seven centers which you see here are represented in the brain. For example, you start from here, now this is the center at the back. The first centre is represented here at the back, one centre. Then the second one is the centre, that yellow one you see, is represented here. The third one is the Nabhi is represented here. The fourth one, which is the Heart, is represented here through which the Kundalini passes. So heart is the most important thing; if you have no heart it won't work out. If you have a frozen heart, if you have no love, it won't work out. So at the heart point only it pierces out, and you can see the pulsation there before it pierces out. In front of that is the fifth center called as the Vishudhhi which is here, is placed about here, is the Vishuddhi. And then this is the centre Agnya. This is the centre here as well as it is the centre placed in the same place inside the brain. Like that you have all the seven centers in our limbic area up. And these seven centers are controlled by the heart. The heart controls all these seven centers. It is the heart which controls the brain and not brain that controls the heart. We are going the other way round. We cannot control our heart, can we? We cannot control our heart but we can control our thinking. We can control our projections and things. But we cannot control our heart. Heart works on its own, it is independent. Now this independent organ, which is heart, has got the sprit in it. So far we have never known the joy of our spirit. It is the spirit that enjoys itself, and when our attention becomes one with that spirit we also get that joy. Normally we will say we are happy or we are unhappy. I have met some people who told Me, "Oh we went to that Guru we were very happy." I said, "You could be happy in the pub also. What is happiness?" Happiness is not the way to judge any one, neither unhappiness. Unhappiness comes to you through this super ego and happiness through this ego. But joy has no double face, joy is joy. In joy, you witness, you witness the whole thing. And when you are joyous you feel the whole thing, the joy itself coming on you like grace falling on to you. It's so beautiful that you just get lost into it. Now the time has come; the blossom time has come for many people to get Realization. They have to get it. This is predicted, the time has come that you all have to get Realization. This is actually the last judgment. But the last judgment is not going to start by the way people think it to be - like we will be put into these weighing pans and weighed. It is not that way. It is going to be through some sort of a happening within us and that happening is this Kundalini awakening. When the Kundalini awakening takes place, we start judging ourselves, leave alone others. We start judging ourselves, we start knowing ourselves. Where are we? What are we catching? What is the problem? Where, what is the centre catching? And you start correcting yourself. God is the ocean of compassion. He is not going to just throw you in the dust for nothing at all. He is going to give you full chance to improve yourself, to develop yourself, to mature yourself. He is going to look after you. He is your father who loves you the most. And He wants you to share all His powers and every thing and enter into His kingdom. But are we seeking that kingdom? If you are seeking, which is the way? It is through our heart if you are seeking, it works out. God has already planned everything so beautifully within us; every thing is done so well. But we are extremist. We go to extremes; either we go to the left side or to the right side. Either we are over-ambitious or we are sly, we are slow (and) we don't want to take every thing upon ourselves. This type of behavior in life leads us away from the central path, the central path of ascent, and that's how there are problems within us. Of course these problems can be solved, resolved, and every thing can be done. The Kundalini looks after you and you do get your Realization. I mean, so far I have seen wherever I have traveled, even in Glasgow yesterday, except for one or two people everybody got it. Everybody got their Realization. But then you take time to establish it and that (establishment) should be done. For example, a cancer disease cannot be cured by any thing else but this. This is the only way. This is the only way cancer can be cured. Cancer is setting within us every moment, every moment it is setting within us because of the sympathetic activity. We are all the time working out this or that (and) going to the extremes. And with the extremes sometimes it so happens that one cell becomes more active then the others. Again it is brought to the normal through the activity of the parasympathetic which is in the center. But it so happens that you just sometimes get lost because of too much activity. For example, say this is the left side and this is the right side and both are working. Now if some... by any chance one starts moving too much and extracting too much energy, this connection breaks. And when this connection breaks, what happens (is) that this becomes on its own, this becomes on its own. When it becomes on its own you become segmented and fragmented like a cell, and that cell then starts moving on its own. Like, we are too segmented and very much fragmented in our society. We are so much fragmented that we are just like cancer cells. We are growing, we think "Oh we have achieved so much, we have achieved so much of thing and we are so successful," this that. But I think that's not the success, that's a cancer. Success is when the whole gets enlightened. When you become one with the whole, that's the real success. To be one with the whole is the real success. And when that success is achieved, then you really enjoy that growth - that growth of your awareness which makes you one with the whole. That is what you have to know, is to become your whole. You are just a fragment, a segment, a cell. You have to become the whole and that can be done only through this connection. It is all being done, before also for thousands of years. But on the tree of life there were very few people to begin with, one or two. And those who were also like that, were crucified, murdered, or butchered. Nobody wanted to accept them. Imagine Christ had only twelve disciples who were not even realized souls. They were fishermen. How could you talk to them about Kundalini? Just ordinary fishermen. And He lived there for four years and when they crucified Him and when He was resurrected then only they believed Him. Before that they would not. So His life was some how useless to them because they could not get their Realization from Him. In the same way, all the great real saints have been tortured and troubled by society. Never people accepted the truth; even today it is so. I have seen people who are false have a better turnover as they say than the people who are truthful. There was one very good guru in Bengal and I asked him, "Why don't you go to America?" And within three days he returned back from New York. He told Me, "Nothing doing, I am going back home. I am not going work out with these people, I have no patience. They are very ignorant. They don't want the truth; they want some sort of a circus. Let them have the circus." This is what it is. See some people want to fly in the air, some people want to jump, some want to become naked. All these things you can do in any case. What is there so great? You have to get something that is beyond, something special, something unique that happens to you, by which you become one with the whole. This is what should be asked for, not for all other things that people ask for. Isn't it? That's the truth. You have to achieve it, to be in your collective consciousness. Today the time has been too much and I think we should work it out. If it works out, it is a good thing. That's the best thing that should happen. But if you have any question, I don't mind answering. You got some water? [Question: Mataji, after the experience of Kundalini and presuming the experiences of unity in consciousness, one has to start assuming go back and start working on the [Inaudible]....subtle system. Is this period of time that we are going through quickening this particular cleaning or do we have to spend still a life time?] Mother: That's what may be with others, not with me. I am quite an expert; I have jet Kundalini. May be with others - those who are naive. I am sorry it is so. What can I do? I have mastered this. You see it depends on what sort of an engineer you are, isn't it? May be I am quite an expert. Some people, supposing villagers, they come to the city and put their fingers in the in the plugs and say that the electricity gives you shocks. They do not know anything. Some people have written books like that, you will be amazed, about Kundalini. I was amazed. How could they write books? They have just got shocks from the Kundalini, and they have written about shocks. You must have read yourselves some books like that. They are absolutely naive; they don't know anything about Kundalini. First of all, the person who deals with Kundalini has to be a loving person, absolutely love, and should be a holy person. He cannot be a person who is making money out of Kundalini awakening. How can you? How can you... How can you do something that is Divine? Even living - you cannot do that by giving money. Can you transform a flower into a fruit by giving money to it? It's a living thing, it's a living thing. And this, one who knows and one who is an... authority is a bad word, I would not say because it is not a good word to express that. But the one who is in it, the one whose job is this, can do it. This is all they are talking is that these are your karmas, you must clean... Then why do you have a guru? I don't understand. If you have to clean our karmas and you have to do this, then why have a guru? It is better to pickle them. And so many are there just making money out of you. Just, just imagine what they are doing. Befooling to the last. You can't imagine to what amount they have befooled people in this country, in a way, in America too. They are teaching them to fly they are... I mean, all sorts of things they are doing. If you listen to the stories of the people who have been to them, you will not know how to stop your laughter. It's such a simple thing. It is simple for Me because that's My job. Like, when you put some seed in the mother earth, she sprouts the seed. That's her job; that's her style. See, but if you do anything to the seed otherwise, you make it hang up and down and do anything like that, it won't sprout. Then people say it takes hours and ages. It will. Put it in the mother's womb and it can be done. That's the nature - to do it. In the same way, it's My nature, perhaps, maybe. Question: I have experienced the joy. Mother: Pardon? Question: I have experienced the joy... Mother: You are? Good, great; just enjoy it. That's your own right to have it. You all were saints seeking God, sometimes long-long time back. The time has come for you to take. But you must accept the truth. Why are you running after falsehood? People are running after falsehood, then what to do? Then they suffer, then they come to Me. Then I have to cure them, put them right, do this, do that, and then they get it. It is so simple; after all, you have become a human being by doing nothing at all. From amoeba to this stage who has made you? You just become that, isn't it? What are you going to do now, standing on your heads and doing all these things? What is so difficult about it? I can't understand. It's all done for you. How much is done for you? See in the nature, how much God has done for us. Why should Kundalini trouble you? Also, some people say that you start jumping like a frog if the Kundalini awakens. Do you know that? One gentleman who came was sitting with his feet like this towards Me. So people said, "No, you can't put your feet towards Mother like that." So he said, "No, no, I cannot sit otherwise." I said, "Why?" He said, "My Kundalini is awakened and I am jumping like a frog." So I said, "Are you going to become a frog now that you are jumping like a frog?" It's, it should be logical, it should be logical. You are not going to become a frog, or a bird to fly in the air. You are going to become a person with a higher awareness of collective consciousness. You are going to become, again I say that. All right? Did you gave them Realization or something? Some of them have got it already. It's so simple. In a split of a second the Kundalini rises. Just like that. But there are problems on the way, sometimes you see, so She stops. Otherwise, it is the easiest thing to do, just to raise the Kundalini, if the people are simple. If they are complicated, there is a problem. In India in the villages... not in the cities you see, cities all the thugs are there. But in the villages, thousands of them get their Realization just like that. You see the whole blossom, as if all of them are converting themselves, transforming themselves into fruits. Just see that. All right, lets have your hands like that. Close your eyes please, just close your eyes. First of all, if you watch your thoughts, you will find there are no thoughts in your mind. If you want to think, you can think. But you will find that there are no thoughts. And then you will find a kind of a cool breeze coming in your hand. Some people might feel a little tingling or like that, doesn't matter. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Jara Dekho, Sar pe Dhire Dhire Hath Rakh ke [Hindi meaning 'Just see, by moving your hand slowly over the head']. David, just see. Keep your hands open. You have got it. Just fills Mother [not clear], you can see that so clearly. Now you got it. Inko dekho... Hogaya? [Hindi meaning 'Look after him...Has it happened?'] He has got it. Got it, it's going up. You got it too. Inkeliye. [Hindi meaning 'I am talking about him.'] Enjoy yourself, close your eyes, just enjoy. Don't think about it. Just allow it to work out. Growth has started. Don't think about it, just leave it; you found it. Just leave it grow, leave it to grow. Got it, he has got it. Just feel her. Just, just feel her. Can you feel above, on her head? You just put your hand and see. This lady here. Yes. Please put both your hands towards Me, like this straight, yes. It will work out. Do not think. Just think... if you have to think you just say that "I forgive everyone". That's all. Just forgive. You have to forgive, just forgive. You have to forgive. May God bless you. Don't cry my child, now you found it. Don't cry. Don't cry. See how much we have to do in this world. Now the meaning of your life is coming through. Phillip. Got it? Very good. Now you have a meaning and a purpose. Forgive, just forgive, forgive, forgive every one, you have to forgive. As I was saying that if you don't forgive, actually we are playing into the hands of people who have troubled us. We are harming ourselves by not forgiving. Just forgive. Question: Actually I have not felt the cool breeze here... Mother: There? Yes, yes. It will work out. Just raise it. "What do you say Phil?" Phil: There is some heat coming out. Mother: All right, all right. Let it come. Let it come out. Just enjoy yourself, just enjoy. Do not think about it; sit very comfortably. You can put your hands on your lap. Just enjoy; enjoyment is the thing which is lacking in life. It is all right, good... great. Just forgive, just forgive. See this gentleman. He got it also; see this gentleman. Do not think, do not think. Better now? Hahn [Hindi meaning 'Yes!']. Now it's better. Good. Great! Dono ke Bahut Achha. [Hindi meaning 'It was good with both of them'] It's good. Better? Now you feel relaxed.
8/18/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6716	The Dangers of Inertia	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	41	The Dangers of Inertia, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 18 August 1980. Sahaja Yoga is the synthesis of all the Yogas. Only thing [is] human beings have a wrong notion that they can do something about it. It's all built in them. Like any good instrument it's all built in and as soon as the Kundalini starts She starts working it out. And all these gadgets within us go into motion and they create that state within us by which the Kundalini rises within you. Perhaps, we take it for granted, Kundalini rising so much because we do not see all that's happening within. (Talking to a mother with a child) Can you take him out? He’s so happy that I don’t feel [he’s] disturbing but everybody [else] is disturbed. Rising of the Kundalini is the easiest for Me. No problem. Even working out those gadgets as I called them - chakras and their different movements, constrictions and dilatation at a particular point when Kundalini is coming up - is not difficult. But there are two other channels within us, which you know very well, which act our sympathetic nervous system. Which can be quite in trouble because of various conditionings within us. For example, some people have, say, a small conditioning like going to a spiritualist. Take a position, a very simple thing like going to a spiritualist. Now you ask the person, "Have you been to a spiritualist?" Because if you find burning on the left Swadishthana and the heart catching a little, it's definitely he has been to somebody like that, which is unauthorised. If you do something unauthorised you can feel it on your Swadishthana, that the person has been there. Now see, just say that he has been there, to a spiritualist, you can work it out by giving the bandhan to the spiritualist whose name he might tell. Even if he doesn't tell it can work out. It is that subtle and it works that subtle. But that much one has to say. Now, the reason for all this is this: that at this stage when you are getting Realisation, you are human beings, the highest that the Creation has created, highest. And that you have the freedom to choose the Good or the Bad. This choice must be made by you. If you make that willing choice, then Kundalini is the easiest thing for Me or for anyone of you. But if there is hesitation about it, for example, a person may say, “Oh, so what's wrong? I went only for one day.” Anything like that, Kundalini goes back. She is a sensitive thing, extremely sensitive: any kind of refusal to Her or denial to Her She goes down. And this is something if you understand that we are human beings and we are the highest, highest in the Creation. We have no self-esteem, I tell you. Human beings have no self-esteem. If they had, they would not have behaved like this. The way we are torturing ourselves, torturing others, I mean doing all kinds of nonsense. If they had that understanding of themselves there would have been no problem, but they do not have. Only when it comes to Kundalini, then they have all their esteem. Most surprising! Then they will say, "Why not? What's wrong?" Anything you say that time, that's the time they should be most surrendering, that's the time they'll argue! It's human nature! Otherwise they will not argue, if you ask them, "Will you come to the pub?" "Yes, why not?" They'll never argue. Have you heard anybody saying that? Me even, I mean I tell you, I dare not. Say, people come to My house for a party and thing, My husband has to offer them drinks because they won't talk to us if you do not offer them drinks. That's the thing in England. In India I never would allow anybody to even bring any bottles in the house. But here they said, “English won't talk to you if you don't have bottles in the house! How can you do it, it's not a house if there is no bottle!” That's the part of the culture, the base of it. But I dare not say even once. They will say "Why don't you drink? Is it not allowed in your religion? Why don't you drink?" But if I say, "Why do you drink?", finished! I have no manners. (Laughter) I am most unmannerly person going round! You see My point? You are not supposed to say these things, you are not supposed to discuss these things. But if you say some sort of a dirty joke, really everybody will be very happy. There is nothing like indecency indecorum in those things. But it is indecent to say something decent! In the same way in Kundalini it happens that when it comes to actual Kundalini rising, one should be in the most humble manner, “Oh, God!” Just see the time, the moment has come for you to get what it is. That time they'll be arrogantly like this, you see, sitting, “No, it doesn't happen to me!” As if it's a very great thing it's not happening to you! Just imagine! It would be like a king sitting on a throne and somebody is trying to put the crown on the head and the person says, “Oh, it doesn't fit me at all!” It's that silly, you know. But it is so. And this is why the Kundalini, the Kundalini doesn't rise and She stops. And once She is that way, little bit insulted She feels hesitant. You see, like a guest who has come into your house, if you put a punch on the nose, it will take time for you to patch up the whole thing, isn't it? And that patching up is just so slow, I mean people just don't believe in patching up anything. And that's why the Kundalini is so disturbing. It is so disturbing. One should understand that She is extremely sensitive, She is your self-respect. Any fun you make out of Her is a waste: you are wasting yourself, you are wasting the energy of the Kundalini, you are stopping your Realisation. It is very important to understand that She is Knowledge. Whatever you have read so far is not knowledge, is Avidya. Humility must come to you for that, very important. You might have read thousands of books, makes no difference to the Kundalini. She is Knowledge. That time all your knowledge will come, “Mother, I've read in this book this is written, that is written,” Finished! [Then] your Realisation is a very difficult thing. I'm here sitting down, “Oh please, have your Realisation, don't disturb Her”. I'm sitting in between like a mediator, you see, between Her and you, “Now, don't disturb Her”. Here you are, suddenly you come out with a special announcement that, “I've read such and such book” and that book must be from some bhoot or somebody horrible, has to be. And then you come out, “I've read that book and such and such, it says so…”, finished. Here we are talking of actualisation, of getting Realisation, not of books. You have to forget what you have been going through. You have to forget what you have been doing so far for Kundalini. You have to forget all those things you have had so far through your gurus and this and that, and all other sorts of nonsense. You have to forget all that and you have to think it's a very simple abode of your Mother where you have come just to have your food. Please come and be seated and have your food. With that simplicity of heart only, the Kundalini will react. If you are a lord of some place, Kundalini will say “Alright, go and be a lord.” Kundalini is not bothered about you. She knows who is arrogant, She knows who is humble, She knows who wants Realisation. She has been recording everything what you have been doing since long, since ages, since many lives. So She knows everything. And if She even now finds the same thing, She just refuses to rise. I've seen it's a common experience: if somebody doesn't get Realisation, he feels very proud, “Oh, I'm not mesmerised!” I said, “Is it mesmerism, is it?” If through mesmerism you could cure cancer, then I think mesmerism is a good idea, if it is mesmerism! (laughing) So first of all, before getting Realisation, one has to know that this is what you are seeking, this is what you have to have and the Kundalini is the only thing that is going to transform you. There's no doubt about it. But even when you come to that point of Kundalini, people have read books on Kundalini also. And everything they've read, already, they have sorted out everything already! So, then they ask, “Then what about that book? It says so…” Now you see for yourself, why don't you see what it is like! But in seeing also you have to be humble. Those people who have come to us with humility, with innocence, have got Realisation very well, and they've established it. They have got it at a time, some of them, who were just dying, just dying, they came to Me at the time they were in coma. But they have established themselves because they were true seekers. If you have to seek the Truth, you have to be truthful also. And if you are truthful you will see that this is truthful. There is no hanky-panky in Sahaja Yoga, you cannot have. There is no befooling or anything. That's not possible. The Kundalini has to rise, She has to give you Realisation, She has to get you alright. No other certificate is needed. This is the main certificate you have to have - that you get your Realisation, you feel your vibrations, not others. Some other people can feel it. The other day we had a very unique experience and there was a gentleman and the Kundalini was trying to push the Sahasrara and the whole Grace was flowing on him as if like a fountain coming out of here, and nothing was going into his being. Can you imagine! The Grace, just pouring onto that dumb fellow. It was all falling on all the sides but nothing going into him! And the fellow was very proud, “Oh, nothing is happening to me!”you see. I said, “Look at this man!” The Grace has to be accepted. With folded hands one has to get it. With humility. How can we be arrogant when the Grace is coming on you? Is it sensible, is that good manners, by any chance? One has to be extremely humble. That will show to the Kundalini that you want it, that you want to have it. At the smallest of points it has been stopped. Like I would say, if a little thing goes into the eyes, you cannot see the whole sky. In the same way, a very small thing, a very, very small thing can stop the movement of the Kundalini. And that small thing, if somebody says, “Ask this question. Please ask and get it. This is your due,” you have to just, to be humble. If you cannot be humble it is not going to work out. That's something so simple but it's difficult for people to be simple. Seeker: The word ‘humble’ is misunderstood in England, I think, a lot. Does humble mean “no intellectual arrogance”? Shri Mataji: No intellectual arrogance? Is a good idea, I tell you! Intellectual arrogance now... Can you open the windows, please? Windows a little bit more. That you can open. There are so many people are here. …that's a good idea! Now, let's see intellectuals. Oh, God! I've had enough of them! (laughing) Even the name gives you heat, I tell you. Now, let's see the intellectuals, the rationality. Rationality has lead us where? Just think over it. Rationality is nothing but your brain's own imagination. You can rationalise everything. “What's wrong?” What's wrong in anything? People are killing their own children, “What's wrong? What's wrong, tell Me? Basically, what's wrong?” I mean, they are their own children, they have produced it, they are killing it, they can produce more, what's wrong? Tomorrow, you will be amazed, there will be people coming out to say that, “If we kill our children you have no business to say anything!” People will come and fight the law that, “If they are our children we can kill them. We have produced them. We can produce more children. What's wrong?” You see, rationality can give all kinds of absurd ideas. But it is not wisdom. It is not wisdom, it's not logical. Everything has to be logical. Sahaja Yoga is Absolute logic. Rationality is limited, but logic is not. When you sit down with the logic you can see that you have given birth to a child, he has a right to live and you have no right to kill - that's the logic. If you have right to kill then it is also rightful to kill you, because you are a child of somebody else, if your father kills you, is it all right? Reverse it back. That is logic. So, the so-called intellectuals, where have they reached? That's all nonsense. They've reached at a nonsensical point. Take any, any realm, say take politics. Of course I've nothing to do with it because it is absurd, it's a myth for Me. They are just playing with shadows. There's no Reality in it! None of the politics has any Reality in it which is today existing whether it is capitalism or communism or anything. Because they have not yet found out the Real Laws. They have not yet found out the Power which governs the world. Only it is the Kingdom of God that can have some politics and is the natural politics. They are fighting about communism to capitalism. What sort of capitalism we have here and what sort of communism they have here? From fire to frying pan like that. It's all useless, absolutely mythical. Man has not yet achieved that state where he can decide about his politics. After Realisation, you know that you have powers, you become a capitalist. And you have to distribute it [so] you become a communist. You become both, you have to be a communist and you have to be a capitalist and you are very happy that you are a capitalist because you can be communist. If you don't have your own powers, how are you going to distribute it? The whole priority is changed and a big difference comes in. When you do not know your powers, when you do not know that there is All-pervading Power beyond, then what are you discussing here? It is something like, you have no money in the bank, there is no market available and you are just discussing here what to buy! So, this intellectual business is a mythical thing, is nothing but a myth. It’s just a myth, believe Me. It is nothing but a myth. Intelligence which is not logical is abandonment, is abandonment. You cannot have intelligence with arrogance, you cannot have. If you have it, it's not intelligence. Every intelligent man knows that he should not be arrogant, if he is really truly intelligent. Very simple logic: if you are arrogant, others can be arrogant with you, do you like it? No one likes it. Simple, simple equations are there. If you are intelligent you may be anything - so what does it matter? “You hang yourself by the nearest tree,” that's what people will say, if you try to be rude to them. If you are very rich and segmented, fragmented then you do not enjoy your riches with others: what's the use of all the riches with you? Life is so logical, it's so logical! But I think this logic you see after Realisation better and simple, because you start sharing, you can feel the sharing, you can feel it others, you can feel others Vishuddhi, you can feel others Nabhi and all these chakras and you know we are sharing now. So, here we are that we know that we are not separated, we are all one. But today I have to warn a little bit, all of you, that in Sahaja Yoga, we have people who get into Realisation, becoming angels, really. It's the boon by which you become angels, real angels. But angels should not fall. You must have heard about an angel called Lucifer who fell down and he became a Satan. And it's very dangerous for a Sahaja Yogi not to be a Sahaja Yogi after some time. He has to take a decision that, "I'm going to be a righteous person, a good person and a good Sahaja Yogi." He cannot be a policeman and a thief, he cannot do it. You think of a policeman becoming a thief, what happens? He is punished doubly. It is just like that: a policeman cannot become a thief. In the same way, a Sahaja Yogi has to rise. If he does not, it's a very dangerous thing and I would warn you that you'll go out of circulation. You just get out of circulation from Sahaja Yoga, absolutely out of circulation. (baby is crying a lot) I think it's hot for the baby. Take the baby out for a while, alright? It's very hot. Yes, take it. It's very hot. Please, open the doors and windows, it will be a good idea. So, one has to understand that in Sahaja Yoga you have to grow. All of you must grow, allow your growth to take place, do not hinder it. The more you'll grow the more enjoyable it will be! But as we are human beings, have coming out of some sort of a falsehood into the Truth, Reality, we have to hold on to the Reality much more than to the falsehood. But still if there is clinging, please try to shed them off. Throw them out, do not cling onto that. The growth has to take place. Now the greatest calamity of our London, England, Sahaja Yogis, we should see that - because I know Indian Sahaja Yogis as they are, they have their own problems, but we have one, and that is inertia. Inertia is our problem. The whole country is set up with it, the inertia. It's a very serious problem for Sahaja Yoga. And I would tell you, I have been to Europe, I've been to Portugal, I've been to India, of course you know very well and also Australia - inertia is maximum in England. Now what is the reason? We must go to the root of this cause. I have told you that England is the Heart of the Universe. Seeker: Must be a joke - England is the Heart of the Universe? Shri Mataji: You didn't know that? Seeker: The Universe, is it? Shri Mataji: Yes. Seeker: Don't believe you! Shri Mataji: That's too much ah? (laughing) Then speaking aside about changing for a bigger room in 5 minutes. Now about this heart I will tell you downstairs, I think, if we can move down. There it will be better because it's very hot here and there's a food also is to be organised in that room. So it's better to go now. All right? Go and find your seats, I'll be just there. And you are the people who are responsible for the heart. Now heart is the most important organ in the body. If the heart fails, the whole body fails. Supposing the brain fails, still the body will go on. But if the heart fails, the body stops functioning. So the attack is on the heart. All the satanic forces and demonic forces and destructive forces will try to attack the heart, naturally, because if they attack any other place then the body will be still functioning. So, first they will try all their methods to attack the heart. I'm saying this because today there are at least 80% Sahaja Yogis sitting here, that they should understand their responsibility. If this heart becomes frozen through inertia, there is no hope for the whole world and neither for the Universe or for this Creation, there is no hope. That's why I'm stationed in England. I have been travelling and travelling in England, spreading vibrations. But I think English Sahaja Yogis do not think how important it is to awaken themselves and to work it out. The movement is extremely slow as if it is deadening. And I am sometimes really worried about it. We have to see now how these negative forces work in us. They work in us in various ways. First of all, they will work in us through people who are vulnerable. We have people among us who are weak Sahaja Yogis. Who cannot sustain the Truth within themselves and they are very vulnerable for all these negative forces. These negative forces work through them. They give you ideas as a very highly developed centre. There were some Sahaja Yogis who are really first class, they were given idea by one of the such vulnerable one that, "Why should we combine with others who are not so good? Let's have a separate entity." Because, before this, one person used to get very important and he used to organise, “Do this!” and “Do that!” and used to boast. Because I stopped all that, they - these people who were really good and sensible people, they were given this idea that, "Let's start our organisation separately". I mean, in the sense that, "Let's have a deeper meditation" or some sort of a thing. To a simple person it would look really good because those who are good should really go further, why should they be, sort of, tied with others. But one has to know that you cannot be segmented. If this finger is sick it is more necessary to look after that sick finger. I do that way. If I look after someone much more, then know that person needs My help, that's why. To a point. But sometimes such people can come out to say that, "Oh, Mother cares for me so much. She has said this, She said that!" All sorts of nonsense can work out. It depends on your wisdom to understand. Now, when these people said that they would like to have a another organisation or, say, another deeper meditation thing. I said, "You have not even followed the basics of Sahaja Yoga though you have gone so high up. How is it?" Everyone is a part of One Whole and we have to articulate through them this Divine life. Nobody is to be condemned or discredited and put down. Everyone is important. If somebody is so sick that he should be taken out, he goes out of circulation automatically. It is managed that way. You have seen so many people have gone out of circulation. Then it is their lookout. But you don't worry about these things, you have to only worry how much one you are one with others. If one person says, "I am higher than others!" then know that his fall is imminent. This kind of domination is absolutely not allowed and such a person falls, you have seen, this happens. So, no fragmentation is to be thought of. Everybody has to grow in a tree. Every bit is important. In a body every part is important. Even if there is a slightest pain in one of the fingers, the whole body looks after it. Does it cut out the finger because it is painful? Or does anything in the body think that that is so important? Even heart? That feeling itself is taking you away from the whole. Try to find your wholesomeness among your brothers and sisters, try to patch up. Love each other. Love each other. Now, no question of My saying as yourself, because you can feel it, that they all exist within you. So that question doesn't arise. But those who try to exclude themselves and keep to themselves and just don't bother about others, are not going to grow. Neither those who try to dominate others and try to sit on their heads and try to show off - they are going to fall. Why I'm saying this? Because England is very important to Me and this is a very common failing among us. When I'm talking to you, I'm talking as British, Myself. All those who are also here, Indians or whatsoever, they are all British and they all develop these qualities. So, no kind of aggressiveness will be permitted in Sahaja Yoga. Such a person will have to go out of circulation. One has to be very careful. The another very big problem of inertia is that people say, "Now Sahaja Yoga will do everything." Where is Sahaja Yoga? It exists within you. It's in your own Kundalini, in your own hands, in your own feet. Before Realisation effortlessness is alright. After Realisation you have to be dynamic. For example, when you have to enlighten the light, the light doesn't move here and there, otherwise you cannot enlighten it. But after enlightenment, it has to give light, otherwise what's the use of enlightening it? So, everybody has to start moving about and trying to work out Sahaja Yoga everywhere, every place, every person that you can. Talk to them in a way that they feel convinced that you are sensible people. The other day I was telling them that: I do not say that you should dress up in a way that is aggressive, but also not dress up in a way that is repulsive. Right from dressing up you go further, the way you talk to people. Then go deeper into it. It's very easy for anybody to make out whether you are genuine or not. And the most important is how far you have achieved in Sahaja Yoga is the point they are going to see. Not Me, they are going to see you. We all have to spread Sahaja Yoga, it is very important. And England is very important, much more than Europe or India. And that's why I hope you all will understand your responsibility. First and foremost is to be humble, try to be humble. Humble because so far you have not known what is the Truth or the Reality is. To know it you have to be humble, because it doesn't come to you out of arrogance. It comes through, it penetrates in you, it sieves through you if you are humble, otherwise it does not. I am warning you! It does not. It doesn't go to arrogant people and to aggressive people, it doesn't work out in them, it only works out among humble people. Try to be humble in your heart. We enjoy your humility. You really enjoy your humility. Actually humility gives you innocence. Humility is the only way to achieve our lost innocence. Even if you have all the powers of the world and you are humble, how beautiful you look! Any person who is in a big position and if he is humble, people write legends after such a personality. Try to develop a humble attitude towards life, extremely humble. But with humility we confuse inertia, that's a wrong thing. Humility never means inertia, humility means dynamism. And that dynamism is extremely quiet, silent and beautiful. Sahaja Yoga is a tremendous thing, it's Mahayoga. At this stage it is Mahayoga, because it has reached it's highest peak now. Never in any incarnation so many realisations were given. Krishna used to do Sahaja Yog, He used to raise Kundalini, Rama did that, Christ did it, Buddha did it, Mahavira did it. Nobody could achieve mass realisation. Today it's so fortunate that I am facing so many saints. It's My great faith and great fortune that you all have got Realisation. You don't know, My joy has no words to express itself. But let not this garden be ruined by abandonment and by foolishness. It is tender, newly blossoming, beautiful garden. Look after it with that care and gentleness. Otherwise it can all fritter away. Most of the fake gurus are being exposed now. They are all going to be exposed. They'll fritter away because they are false. But if Sahaja Yoga fritters away, you English Sahaja Yogis will be held responsible because of your inertia or your arrogance. When you are active you are arrogant, when you are not you are lethargic. Please, come out of these two extremes. I request you to meditate on this about yourself and I'm sure we are going to achieve wonders, definitely, no doubt about it. May God bless you all Those who have come for the first time, I would request them to come in front so that we can see them, all of them.	null	null	null	The Dangers of Inertia, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 18 August 1980. Sahaja Yoga is the synthesis of all the Yogas. Only thing [is] human beings have a wrong notion that they can do something about it. It's all built in them. Like any good instrument it's all built in and as soon as the Kundalini starts She starts working it out. And all these gadgets within us go into motion and they create that state within us by which the Kundalini rises within you. Perhaps, we take it for granted, Kundalini rising so much because we do not see all that's happening within. (Talking to a mother with a child) Can you take him out? He’s so happy that I don’t feel [he’s] disturbing but everybody [else] is disturbed. Rising of the Kundalini is the easiest for Me. No problem. Even working out those gadgets as I called them - chakras and their different movements, constrictions and dilatation at a particular point when Kundalini is coming up - is not difficult. But there are two other channels within us, which you know very well, which act our sympathetic nervous system. Which can be quite in trouble because of various conditionings within us. For example, some people have, say, a small conditioning like going to a spiritualist. Take a position, a very simple thing like going to a spiritualist. Now you ask the person, "Have you been to a spiritualist?" Because if you find burning on the left Swadishthana and the heart catching a little, it's definitely he has been to somebody like that, which is unauthorised. If you do something unauthorised you can feel it on your Swadishthana, that the person has been there. Now see, just say that he has been there, to a spiritualist, you can work it out by giving the bandhan to the spiritualist whose name he might tell. Even if he doesn't tell it can work out. It is that subtle and it works that subtle. But that much one has to say. Now, the reason for all this is this: that at this stage when you are getting Realisation, you are human beings, the highest that the Creation has created, highest. And that you have the freedom to choose the Good or the Bad. This choice must be made by you. If you make that willing choice, then Kundalini is the easiest thing for Me or for anyone of you. But if there is hesitation about it, for example, a person may say, “Oh, so what's wrong? I went only for one day.” Anything like that, Kundalini goes back. She is a sensitive thing, extremely sensitive: any kind of refusal to Her or denial to Her She goes down. And this is something if you understand that we are human beings and we are the highest, highest in the Creation. We have no self-esteem, I tell you. Human beings have no self-esteem. If they had, they would not have behaved like this. The way we are torturing ourselves, torturing others, I mean doing all kinds of nonsense. If they had that understanding of themselves there would have been no problem, but they do not have. Only when it comes to Kundalini, then they have all their esteem. Most surprising! Then they will say, "Why not? What's wrong?" Anything you say that time, that's the time they should be most surrendering, that's the time they'll argue! It's human nature! Otherwise they will not argue, if you ask them, "Will you come to the pub?" "Yes, why not?" They'll never argue. Have you heard anybody saying that? Me even, I mean I tell you, I dare not. Say, people come to My house for a party and thing, My husband has to offer them drinks because they won't talk to us if you do not offer them drinks. That's the thing in England. In India I never would allow anybody to even bring any bottles in the house. But here they said, “English won't talk to you if you don't have bottles in the house! How can you do it, it's not a house if there is no bottle!” That's the part of the culture, the base of it. But I dare not say even once. They will say "Why don't you drink? Is it not allowed in your religion? Why don't you drink?" But if I say, "Why do you drink?", finished! I have no manners. (Laughter) I am most unmannerly person going round! You see My point? You are not supposed to say these things, you are not supposed to discuss these things. But if you say some sort of a dirty joke, really everybody will be very happy. There is nothing like indecency indecorum in those things. But it is indecent to say something decent! In the same way in Kundalini it happens that when it comes to actual Kundalini rising, one should be in the most humble manner, “Oh, God!” Just see the time, the moment has come for you to get what it is. That time they'll be arrogantly like this, you see, sitting, “No, it doesn't happen to me!” As if it's a very great thing it's not happening to you! Just imagine! It would be like a king sitting on a throne and somebody is trying to put the crown on the head and the person says, “Oh, it doesn't fit me at all!” It's that silly, you know. But it is so. And this is why the Kundalini, the Kundalini doesn't rise and She stops. And once She is that way, little bit insulted She feels hesitant. You see, like a guest who has come into your house, if you put a punch on the nose, it will take time for you to patch up the whole thing, isn't it? And that patching up is just so slow, I mean people just don't believe in patching up anything. And that's why the Kundalini is so disturbing. It is so disturbing. One should understand that She is extremely sensitive, She is your self-respect. Any fun you make out of Her is a waste: you are wasting yourself, you are wasting the energy of the Kundalini, you are stopping your Realisation. It is very important to understand that She is Knowledge. Whatever you have read so far is not knowledge, is Avidya. Humility must come to you for that, very important. You might have read thousands of books, makes no difference to the Kundalini. She is Knowledge. That time all your knowledge will come, “Mother, I've read in this book this is written, that is written,” Finished! [Then] your Realisation is a very difficult thing. I'm here sitting down, “Oh please, have your Realisation, don't disturb Her”. I'm sitting in between like a mediator, you see, between Her and you, “Now, don't disturb Her”. Here you are, suddenly you come out with a special announcement that, “I've read such and such book” and that book must be from some bhoot or somebody horrible, has to be. And then you come out, “I've read that book and such and such, it says so…”, finished. Here we are talking of actualisation, of getting Realisation, not of books. You have to forget what you have been going through. You have to forget what you have been doing so far for Kundalini. You have to forget all those things you have had so far through your gurus and this and that, and all other sorts of nonsense. You have to forget all that and you have to think it's a very simple abode of your Mother where you have come just to have your food. Please come and be seated and have your food. With that simplicity of heart only, the Kundalini will react. If you are a lord of some place, Kundalini will say “Alright, go and be a lord.” Kundalini is not bothered about you. She knows who is arrogant, She knows who is humble, She knows who wants Realisation. She has been recording everything what you have been doing since long, since ages, since many lives. So She knows everything. And if She even now finds the same thing, She just refuses to rise. I've seen it's a common experience: if somebody doesn't get Realisation, he feels very proud, “Oh, I'm not mesmerised!” I said, “Is it mesmerism, is it?” If through mesmerism you could cure cancer, then I think mesmerism is a good idea, if it is mesmerism! (laughing) So first of all, before getting Realisation, one has to know that this is what you are seeking, this is what you have to have and the Kundalini is the only thing that is going to transform you. There's no doubt about it. But even when you come to that point of Kundalini, people have read books on Kundalini also. And everything they've read, already, they have sorted out everything already! So, then they ask, “Then what about that book? It says so…” Now you see for yourself, why don't you see what it is like! But in seeing also you have to be humble. Those people who have come to us with humility, with innocence, have got Realisation very well, and they've established it. They have got it at a time, some of them, who were just dying, just dying, they came to Me at the time they were in coma. But they have established themselves because they were true seekers. If you have to seek the Truth, you have to be truthful also. And if you are truthful you will see that this is truthful. There is no hanky-panky in Sahaja Yoga, you cannot have. There is no befooling or anything. That's not possible. The Kundalini has to rise, She has to give you Realisation, She has to get you alright. No other certificate is needed. This is the main certificate you have to have - that you get your Realisation, you feel your vibrations, not others. Some other people can feel it. The other day we had a very unique experience and there was a gentleman and the Kundalini was trying to push the Sahasrara and the whole Grace was flowing on him as if like a fountain coming out of here, and nothing was going into his being. Can you imagine! The Grace, just pouring onto that dumb fellow. It was all falling on all the sides but nothing going into him! And the fellow was very proud, “Oh, nothing is happening to me!”you see. I said, “Look at this man!” The Grace has to be accepted. With folded hands one has to get it. With humility. How can we be arrogant when the Grace is coming on you? Is it sensible, is that good manners, by any chance? One has to be extremely humble. That will show to the Kundalini that you want it, that you want to have it. At the smallest of points it has been stopped. Like I would say, if a little thing goes into the eyes, you cannot see the whole sky. In the same way, a very small thing, a very, very small thing can stop the movement of the Kundalini. And that small thing, if somebody says, “Ask this question. Please ask and get it. This is your due,” you have to just, to be humble. If you cannot be humble it is not going to work out. That's something so simple but it's difficult for people to be simple. Seeker: The word ‘humble’ is misunderstood in England, I think, a lot. Does humble mean “no intellectual arrogance”? Shri Mataji: No intellectual arrogance? Is a good idea, I tell you! Intellectual arrogance now... Can you open the windows, please? Windows a little bit more. That you can open. There are so many people are here. …that's a good idea! Now, let's see intellectuals. Oh, God! I've had enough of them! (laughing) Even the name gives you heat, I tell you. Now, let's see the intellectuals, the rationality. Rationality has lead us where? Just think over it. Rationality is nothing but your brain's own imagination. You can rationalise everything. “What's wrong?” What's wrong in anything? People are killing their own children, “What's wrong? What's wrong, tell Me? Basically, what's wrong?” I mean, they are their own children, they have produced it, they are killing it, they can produce more, what's wrong? Tomorrow, you will be amazed, there will be people coming out to say that, “If we kill our children you have no business to say anything!” People will come and fight the law that, “If they are our children we can kill them. We have produced them. We can produce more children. What's wrong?” You see, rationality can give all kinds of absurd ideas. But it is not wisdom. It is not wisdom, it's not logical. Everything has to be logical. Sahaja Yoga is Absolute logic. Rationality is limited, but logic is not. When you sit down with the logic you can see that you have given birth to a child, he has a right to live and you have no right to kill - that's the logic. If you have right to kill then it is also rightful to kill you, because you are a child of somebody else, if your father kills you, is it all right? Reverse it back. That is logic. So, the so-called intellectuals, where have they reached? That's all nonsense. They've reached at a nonsensical point. Take any, any realm, say take politics. Of course I've nothing to do with it because it is absurd, it's a myth for Me. They are just playing with shadows. There's no Reality in it! None of the politics has any Reality in it which is today existing whether it is capitalism or communism or anything. Because they have not yet found out the Real Laws. They have not yet found out the Power which governs the world. Only it is the Kingdom of God that can have some politics and is the natural politics. They are fighting about communism to capitalism. What sort of capitalism we have here and what sort of communism they have here? From fire to frying pan like that. It's all useless, absolutely mythical. Man has not yet achieved that state where he can decide about his politics. After Realisation, you know that you have powers, you become a capitalist. And you have to distribute it [so] you become a communist. You become both, you have to be a communist and you have to be a capitalist and you are very happy that you are a capitalist because you can be communist. If you don't have your own powers, how are you going to distribute it? The whole priority is changed and a big difference comes in. When you do not know your powers, when you do not know that there is All-pervading Power beyond, then what are you discussing here? It is something like, you have no money in the bank, there is no market available and you are just discussing here what to buy! So, this intellectual business is a mythical thing, is nothing but a myth. It’s just a myth, believe Me. It is nothing but a myth. Intelligence which is not logical is abandonment, is abandonment. You cannot have intelligence with arrogance, you cannot have. If you have it, it's not intelligence. Every intelligent man knows that he should not be arrogant, if he is really truly intelligent. Very simple logic: if you are arrogant, others can be arrogant with you, do you like it? No one likes it. Simple, simple equations are there. If you are intelligent you may be anything - so what does it matter? “You hang yourself by the nearest tree,” that's what people will say, if you try to be rude to them. If you are very rich and segmented, fragmented then you do not enjoy your riches with others: what's the use of all the riches with you? Life is so logical, it's so logical! But I think this logic you see after Realisation better and simple, because you start sharing, you can feel the sharing, you can feel it others, you can feel others Vishuddhi, you can feel others Nabhi and all these chakras and you know we are sharing now. So, here we are that we know that we are not separated, we are all one. But today I have to warn a little bit, all of you, that in Sahaja Yoga, we have people who get into Realisation, becoming angels, really. It's the boon by which you become angels, real angels. But angels should not fall. You must have heard about an angel called Lucifer who fell down and he became a Satan. And it's very dangerous for a Sahaja Yogi not to be a Sahaja Yogi after some time. He has to take a decision that, "I'm going to be a righteous person, a good person and a good Sahaja Yogi." He cannot be a policeman and a thief, he cannot do it. You think of a policeman becoming a thief, what happens? He is punished doubly. It is just like that: a policeman cannot become a thief. In the same way, a Sahaja Yogi has to rise. If he does not, it's a very dangerous thing and I would warn you that you'll go out of circulation. You just get out of circulation from Sahaja Yoga, absolutely out of circulation. (baby is crying a lot) I think it's hot for the baby. Take the baby out for a while, alright? It's very hot. Yes, take it. It's very hot. Please, open the doors and windows, it will be a good idea. So, one has to understand that in Sahaja Yoga you have to grow. All of you must grow, allow your growth to take place, do not hinder it. The more you'll grow the more enjoyable it will be! But as we are human beings, have coming out of some sort of a falsehood into the Truth, Reality, we have to hold on to the Reality much more than to the falsehood. But still if there is clinging, please try to shed them off. Throw them out, do not cling onto that. The growth has to take place. Now the greatest calamity of our London, England, Sahaja Yogis, we should see that - because I know Indian Sahaja Yogis as they are, they have their own problems, but we have one, and that is inertia. Inertia is our problem. The whole country is set up with it, the inertia. It's a very serious problem for Sahaja Yoga. And I would tell you, I have been to Europe, I've been to Portugal, I've been to India, of course you know very well and also Australia - inertia is maximum in England. Now what is the reason? We must go to the root of this cause. I have told you that England is the Heart of the Universe. Seeker: Must be a joke - England is the Heart of the Universe? Shri Mataji: You didn't know that? Seeker: The Universe, is it? Shri Mataji: Yes. Seeker: Don't believe you! Shri Mataji: That's too much ah? (laughing) Then speaking aside about changing for a bigger room in 5 minutes. Now about this heart I will tell you downstairs, I think, if we can move down. There it will be better because it's very hot here and there's a food also is to be organised in that room. So it's better to go now. All right? Go and find your seats, I'll be just there. And you are the people who are responsible for the heart. Now heart is the most important organ in the body. If the heart fails, the whole body fails. Supposing the brain fails, still the body will go on. But if the heart fails, the body stops functioning. So the attack is on the heart. All the satanic forces and demonic forces and destructive forces will try to attack the heart, naturally, because if they attack any other place then the body will be still functioning. So, first they will try all their methods to attack the heart. I'm saying this because today there are at least 80% Sahaja Yogis sitting here, that they should understand their responsibility. If this heart becomes frozen through inertia, there is no hope for the whole world and neither for the Universe or for this Creation, there is no hope. That's why I'm stationed in England. I have been travelling and travelling in England, spreading vibrations. But I think English Sahaja Yogis do not think how important it is to awaken themselves and to work it out. The movement is extremely slow as if it is deadening. And I am sometimes really worried about it. We have to see now how these negative forces work in us. They work in us in various ways. First of all, they will work in us through people who are vulnerable. We have people among us who are weak Sahaja Yogis. Who cannot sustain the Truth within themselves and they are very vulnerable for all these negative forces. These negative forces work through them. They give you ideas as a very highly developed centre. There were some Sahaja Yogis who are really first class, they were given idea by one of the such vulnerable one that, "Why should we combine with others who are not so good? Let's have a separate entity." Because, before this, one person used to get very important and he used to organise, “Do this!” and “Do that!” and used to boast. Because I stopped all that, they - these people who were really good and sensible people, they were given this idea that, "Let's start our organisation separately". I mean, in the sense that, "Let's have a deeper meditation" or some sort of a thing. To a simple person it would look really good because those who are good should really go further, why should they be, sort of, tied with others. But one has to know that you cannot be segmented. If this finger is sick it is more necessary to look after that sick finger. I do that way. If I look after someone much more, then know that person needs My help, that's why. To a point. But sometimes such people can come out to say that, "Oh, Mother cares for me so much. She has said this, She said that!" All sorts of nonsense can work out. It depends on your wisdom to understand. Now, when these people said that they would like to have a another organisation or, say, another deeper meditation thing. I said, "You have not even followed the basics of Sahaja Yoga though you have gone so high up. How is it?" Everyone is a part of One Whole and we have to articulate through them this Divine life. Nobody is to be condemned or discredited and put down. Everyone is important. If somebody is so sick that he should be taken out, he goes out of circulation automatically. It is managed that way. You have seen so many people have gone out of circulation. Then it is their lookout. But you don't worry about these things, you have to only worry how much one you are one with others. If one person says, "I am higher than others!" then know that his fall is imminent. This kind of domination is absolutely not allowed and such a person falls, you have seen, this happens. So, no fragmentation is to be thought of. Everybody has to grow in a tree. Every bit is important. In a body every part is important. Even if there is a slightest pain in one of the fingers, the whole body looks after it. Does it cut out the finger because it is painful? Or does anything in the body think that that is so important? Even heart? That feeling itself is taking you away from the whole. Try to find your wholesomeness among your brothers and sisters, try to patch up. Love each other. Love each other. Now, no question of My saying as yourself, because you can feel it, that they all exist within you. So that question doesn't arise. But those who try to exclude themselves and keep to themselves and just don't bother about others, are not going to grow. Neither those who try to dominate others and try to sit on their heads and try to show off - they are going to fall. Why I'm saying this? Because England is very important to Me and this is a very common failing among us. When I'm talking to you, I'm talking as British, Myself. All those who are also here, Indians or whatsoever, they are all British and they all develop these qualities. So, no kind of aggressiveness will be permitted in Sahaja Yoga. Such a person will have to go out of circulation. One has to be very careful. The another very big problem of inertia is that people say, "Now Sahaja Yoga will do everything." Where is Sahaja Yoga? It exists within you. It's in your own Kundalini, in your own hands, in your own feet. Before Realisation effortlessness is alright. After Realisation you have to be dynamic. For example, when you have to enlighten the light, the light doesn't move here and there, otherwise you cannot enlighten it. But after enlightenment, it has to give light, otherwise what's the use of enlightening it? So, everybody has to start moving about and trying to work out Sahaja Yoga everywhere, every place, every person that you can. Talk to them in a way that they feel convinced that you are sensible people. The other day I was telling them that: I do not say that you should dress up in a way that is aggressive, but also not dress up in a way that is repulsive. Right from dressing up you go further, the way you talk to people. Then go deeper into it. It's very easy for anybody to make out whether you are genuine or not. And the most important is how far you have achieved in Sahaja Yoga is the point they are going to see. Not Me, they are going to see you. We all have to spread Sahaja Yoga, it is very important. And England is very important, much more than Europe or India. And that's why I hope you all will understand your responsibility. First and foremost is to be humble, try to be humble. Humble because so far you have not known what is the Truth or the Reality is. To know it you have to be humble, because it doesn't come to you out of arrogance. It comes through, it penetrates in you, it sieves through you if you are humble, otherwise it does not. I am warning you! It does not. It doesn't go to arrogant people and to aggressive people, it doesn't work out in them, it only works out among humble people. Try to be humble in your heart. We enjoy your humility. You really enjoy your humility. Actually humility gives you innocence. Humility is the only way to achieve our lost innocence. Even if you have all the powers of the world and you are humble, how beautiful you look! Any person who is in a big position and if he is humble, people write legends after such a personality. Try to develop a humble attitude towards life, extremely humble. But with humility we confuse inertia, that's a wrong thing. Humility never means inertia, humility means dynamism. And that dynamism is extremely quiet, silent and beautiful. Sahaja Yoga is a tremendous thing, it's Mahayoga. At this stage it is Mahayoga, because it has reached it's highest peak now. Never in any incarnation so many realisations were given. Krishna used to do Sahaja Yog, He used to raise Kundalini, Rama did that, Christ did it, Buddha did it, Mahavira did it. Nobody could achieve mass realisation. Today it's so fortunate that I am facing so many saints. It's My great faith and great fortune that you all have got Realisation. You don't know, My joy has no words to express itself. But let not this garden be ruined by abandonment and by foolishness. It is tender, newly blossoming, beautiful garden. Look after it with that care and gentleness. Otherwise it can all fritter away. Most of the fake gurus are being exposed now. They are all going to be exposed. They'll fritter away because they are false. But if Sahaja Yoga fritters away, you English Sahaja Yogis will be held responsible because of your inertia or your arrogance. When you are active you are arrogant, when you are not you are lethargic. Please, come out of these two extremes. I request you to meditate on this about yourself and I'm sure we are going to achieve wonders, definitely, no doubt about it. May God bless you all Those who have come for the first time, I would request them to come in front so that we can see them, all of them.
8/22/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=11082	Letter from London (MAHA AVATAR, ISSUE 2, 1980 OCT-DEC, PAGE 5)	England	London	null	null	null	null	Draft	N	N	N	Letter / Poem	Marathi	0	1980-0822 (Friday) Letter from London (translation from Marathi) (MAHA AVATAR, ISSUE 2, PAGE 5) My dear Sahaja Yogi Petkar and other Sahaja Yogis, There was no occasion to write to you for very long time. These days I write only when some work comes up in Bombay, as the work is in full swing in England. However, people here are addicted and everywhere laziness and negativity have their full sway. England is the heart of Universe but it is so much neglected that it must be set in order without delay. All of you are very fortunate to have been born in a holy place, especially Poona which is the place of Shri Ganesha. Try to understand that you have become entitled to God’s such immense blessings only because of your several good deeds (Sukriti) in your previous births. I have given you only what was already yours and nothing of my own. Much more is due to you and you shall get it. My attention is attracted to impediments and pit falls. There is no problem about Poona and Rahuri people. Please do understand that, I feel relieved (in this atmosphere) to see you enjoying in the ocean of bliss, so keep it up. We, here, are not so fortunate as you are. Work is going on continuously. There are many difficulties, not for me, but for these foolish people. How can they be set right ? There are many such problems. You should take interest and solve them because I do not wish anything and therefore the question of fulfilment of my wish does not arise. All of you should therefore keep a desire in your minds and pray for helping out your English brothers and sisters. Your progress is keeping the Sahaja Yoga alive in my heart. Whenever I feel fed up, I read your letters to feel satisfied. Therefore, please keep writing. All should write letters regularly. Ever yours, Your mother NIRMALA	null	null	null	1980-0822 (Friday) Letter from London (translation from Marathi) (MAHA AVATAR, ISSUE 2, PAGE 5) My dear Sahaja Yogi Petkar and other Sahaja Yogis, There was no occasion to write to you for very long time. These days I write only when some work comes up in Bombay, as the work is in full swing in England. However, people here are addicted and everywhere laziness and negativity have their full sway. England is the heart of Universe but it is so much neglected that it must be set in order without delay. All of you are very fortunate to have been born in a holy place, especially Poona which is the place of Shri Ganesha. Try to understand that you have become entitled to God’s such immense blessings only because of your several good deeds (Sukriti) in your previous births. I have given you only what was already yours and nothing of my own. Much more is due to you and you shall get it. My attention is attracted to impediments and pit falls. There is no problem about Poona and Rahuri people. Please do understand that, I feel relieved (in this atmosphere) to see you enjoying in the ocean of bliss, so keep it up. We, here, are not so fortunate as you are. Work is going on continuously. There are many difficulties, not for me, but for these foolish people. How can they be set right ? There are many such problems. You should take interest and solve them because I do not wish anything and therefore the question of fulfilment of my wish does not arise. All of you should therefore keep a desire in your minds and pray for helping out your English brothers and sisters. Your progress is keeping the Sahaja Yoga alive in my heart. Whenever I feel fed up, I read your letters to feel satisfied. Therefore, please keep writing. All should write letters regularly. Ever yours, Your mother NIRMALA
8/23/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=7072	There is Some Meaning	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	79	Public program in Chiswick, London (England), 23 August 1980. PUBLIC PROGRAM, THERE IS SOME MEANING, CHISWICK, LONDON (UK) 1980/08/23 First of all I must apologize for being late, has been kind of … and I was really enjoying their happiness. [UNCLEAR] has told you in short what happens after Self Realization, on which the Spirit grows an understanding. Because I think - the trapped people - people have been told on a gross state where their attention is. If you suddenly start talking about the spiritual life, the stars emitting, you can just get trapped and this is something that can go beyond that so much. Open your heart. But when I am talking to you, you have to know that whatever I am saying is not to be an [UNCLEAR accepted truth?]. It’s not to be. Nor is it necessary for you to be [UNCLEAR rigid?]. I am here to prove all that is said about God, about beauty, about Spirit - that’s your Atma - and also to quick fix yourself. This is my job. When Kabir was telling you about this I was looking at your faces and I was wondering, first is God and if such a fantastic [UNCLEAR] could be living in us and people might say that “how can it be?”. But let us think about the great Universal Being, how human beings are created, how we are seeking God. There must be something about it. And even if it starts [UNCLEAR to protest] we should say “why not?”. If you could sit with that kind of a relaxed attitude it will work fine. Because [UNCLEAR] that we cannot believe that we deserve it [UNCLEAR] How many years it has taken? Thousands and thousands of years from matter state you have come into human state. And how many seekings you must have had in your previous lives? Perhaps we take everything for granted. Even to see that we have become human beings is in itself miraculous. You did not do anything to be a human being, you see. We just take our human life for granted, absolutely. And that’s why you do not understand that even our Realization has to be taken for granted. It has to work out. Because if God has created you, it says some meaning about it. If there is some meaning what others have said it to you, you see, He has to do this for you so that you know the power which has created you. So that you know who you are. So that you know what is your fulfillment. So that you know what your roots are. If nature is anxious to do that - one should understand very carefully, put your attention to this point - that God has really created us out of something that was dead. As we are living people, we are human beings and we are seeking. What are we seeking? What do we expect to seek? [CHANGE IN AUDIO] 05:22 start seeking ourselves. Where does the Self lie? And how do we know about it? It is said in the Bible that you are to be born again. All the churches have baptism. Whatever may be the style of church it may be, I don’t know if the Spiritualist churches have the baptism or not. But all the churches have baptism. Whatever may be the outside problem or whatever may be the differences in the outside, everybody talks of that rebirth. Hindus talk of rebirth, Muslims talk of rebirth, everyone talks that you are to be reborn. The only mistake perhaps human beings have made is that this rebirth cannot be brought forth by the effort of human beings. Human beings have not done any effort whatsoever. They have not done any effort to become human beings. So they cannot do any more efforts to become higher. Like a seed sprouts by itself, this living process will happen spontaneously. It's rather difficult for human beings to understand but just think how did you take your birth, what effort did you put in. Your mother did all the job for you, she took all the pains upon herself and you were born. If you are to be reborn, also you cannot put in any effort. But specially in the West where it is more ego-oriented attitude towards things, they cannot believe it that it will be done effortlessly. It’s a fact. We got everything effortlessly and it’s God’s grace which is going to work it out effortlessly. Now when I tell you about our being as it exists within us, then we have to see-- [Mother talking about the child] If you remove his traps then he’ll be alright, give him freedom all right? You shouldn't tie them up, they are here for enjoying their freedom all right? Good. Let him go to play. Good, just push that out, the chair. Here in this picture you can see we have drawn out the inner being very clearly. Now when I am telling you about it, you don’t have to believe. As I told it’s an hypothesis I'm putting forward. If it works out then naturally you will believe me, I know that. After enlightenment you have to believe, not before that because I will be telling you a story and blind faith is of no use for Sahaja Yoga. But that doesn’t mean by any chance that you should keep yourself bound by a certain XYZ book you read five years back. But keep yourself absolutely open and vacant to understand how you exist within yourself. The knowledge that we have about outside world is through our understanding, which comes to us by our organs of perception. But these organs of perception are not perfect, nor they're enlightened enough to give us a clear-cut idea about anything whatsoever. These different centres that we have in our being exist in this final spot, till they go here to the sixth centre where you see this red mark on my head. In the centre of the pituitary and the pineal body, crossing of the optic nerve. That’s the sixth centre and the seventh centre is the limbic area in your brain. Now there are seven centres as I have told you. The first one is the centre of Mooladhara which emits innocence in you. Innocence is the first thing that was created in this universe. And this innocence is embodied in a human being as a child and that portion is responsible for looking after you as a child in the mother's womb. The other day I was listening to the BBC and they said that we do not know how a foreign thing in the body is so well retained in the womb. Because a donkey gave birth to a horse and a horse gave birth to a donkey, and they could not explain it. Now this I have said it many a times before that medical sciences cannot explain many things. One of them is this that how is it a foreign thing inside the body is not only retained but is looked after, is nourished and is expelled from the body at the right time. This in the centre which has a deity which decides what is to be retained and what is not to be retained. Then there is another thing, like acetylcholine and adrenaline. The doctors would say that the action of these two chemicals in the human body - to augment or to relax - is so arbitrary that you cannot decide what is the cause of it. So they say the mode of action of these chemicals in the human body cannot be explained. It's very frank and honest, isn't it? These centres act in a manner that is arbitrary. They take a decision on their own and if you ask the doctors about them they may say that we cannot explain why different plexuses emit different kinds of stimuli, and why a certain action takes place when in the nature of a particular stimuli it is just the opposite. This they can explain that this is autonomous nervous system. It is a system which is controlled by auto but if you ask them who’s this auto-- You say it’s a automobile, so there’s a driver sitting down there, isn't it? Automobile doesn’t move by itself, there has to be a driver to drive an automobile. Anything where, you say an autocrat, there has to be some auto - somebody who controls. So in a way they accept that there is someone within us who controls these centres or these plexuses and the whole system of sympathetic and parasympathetic is controlled by somebody who is sitting somewhere there, who is doing the job. It’s a kind of a confession they make but they just brand it like that. You see, it's autonomous nervous system - finished. They cannot go beyond it so they just brand it. But who does the job? We have to go a little deeper into it and find out who does the job. The one who does the job is the one we do not know. Neither we can control it or manoeuvre it because the one who does the job doesn’t come into our conscious behaviour, into our conscious mind, or in today what you call the central nervous system. Now the one who we have to know is the Self and this powerful controlling entity lives in our heart, as I think, but whether it lives or not we can verify it later. Because we have not known that "auto" we are seeking. We get a glimpse of it sometimes and we feel oh no, this is not the end of life, we have not found out our fulfillment. We have not yet found out what we are. We have to find out our meaning so we go here and there. We enter into all kinds of nonsensical things sometimes. Even we may take to drugs, we may take to some gurus, or take to this and that, all sorts of things that may not lead you to the proper place. This is the problem of today. Sahaja Yoga is meant for real ardent people. It doesn’t matter if you have money or not, it doesn’t matter if you’re poor or rich, it doesn’t matter whatever race you come from. These things have no bearing on your Realization. The only thing that triggers it is how far are you seeking. Are you truthful about it or are you seeking the fulfillment of your ego or your super ego? If you want to do something because you like it then you have not yet understood the point because you have not yet known it, so how will you decide whether you like it or not? For example if I have never seen the cake, I have never tasted it, I don’t know what are the ingredients, how am I to say whether I like it or not? Who is "I" that is saying all this, that "I" like it, "I" didn’t like it, "I" don’t think it was correct, "I" don’t think it was all right? Who says these things? Is it your Self saying it? No because yet it is not manifesting. So who is saying this "I" is Mister E-G-O. So one has to know that it is beyond your ego. It is beyond your super-ego - is the conditioning. Now this all has been said before. This is nothing new that I am saying to you. Only all these sayings of the people has helped me to prepare proper grounds for you to understand what to expect. [Mother talking to yogi] What’s the matter with the child? Will you-- I think you better take him out because it disturbs the others. I'm alright but others' concentration is disturbed. Now what should we expect when we say about Self Realization? What does that mean? What should happen to us when we think of Self Realization? The first thing that should happen to us is that our awareness must become collectively conscious. We are individually conscious. For example I see a lady, I will say "oh she's a nice lady, I like her. Her dress was good, her bearing was good, her manners were good." Or we can say, "she was otherwise." But this is your own understanding of the person at a very limited level. At that level it’s only your ego telling you or maybe your conditioning, supposing your mother had blue eyes, so you may say that this blue-eyed lady is very nice. Somehow you feel very happy with that. Nothing more than that. Maybe some sort of a conditioning in you that draws you to that person but absolutely you cannot say why you like such a person or why you don’t like that person. Why you like a particular face and why you don’t like another. So the first thing that should happen to you that you jump into your own, you jump into it. You become. It's not lecturing, it's not just brainwashing, but you become collectively conscious. Jung has said that if Self Realization takes place, it should work out into the breakthrough, into the unconscious - means an unconscious which is all-pervading. According to him, it was an All-Pervading Power. We source symbols in our dreams and expresses through symbols within us, through numbers and things like that. He has an extensive work on the unconscious and thanks to him now I can give you the meaning of what he was saying and it helps me a lot. He himself was a Realized Soul and what he said was that if you get Self Realized, the unconscious becomes conscious. The unconscious which we see sometimes in our dreams, maybe through our behaviour, becomes conscious within. Now what are we conscious about? Say we are conscious about the heat of this, all right? We can feel the heat of the flame. We can feel the cold of the item. This is in our conscious knowledge. This is our subjective knowledge that we can feel the fragrance of the flowers. It is our knowledge to see the aesthetics or we can say these colours of flowers. Animals do not see the aesthetics, they do not know cleanliness. Human beings have achieved a lot in their awareness but still I would say they live in complete ignorance because the light is not there and there’s a big confusion in their minds. Now actually what should happen to us is this: that in our awareness, when we are collectively conscious, we should feel the heat of others, the cold of others, the centres of others, the problems of others. We should feel them within us. We do not really feel them within us. For example this problem in Cambodia the other day, I was sitting with a lady and was to be a very big person but she was looking absolutely miserable. So I said, "why, what’s the matter with you? Why are you so miserable?" She said, "you know, I’m very much feeling guilty about Cambodia." Now what's the use of you feeling the guilt about it, I can’t understand. I said, if you cannot do anything about it, no use feeling guilty. You can feel sorry and do something about it in a sensible way, but you sit down and weep and cry feeling guilty about Cambodian people. How are you going to help them? I mean, it's absolutely absurd. And you being miserable is not going to help. Now the problem of another person, whatever you feel for them is not a knowledge from within but is a knowledge of objectivity in the sense that whatever you think about the problem is the problem. Like, you see somebody in pain. The body is giving a pain and you do not feel that pain at all but you feel that "oh this person is having a pain and something mundane about it." But when you are collectively conscious then you also record a little pain within you, not much but you will. A person who is suffering from livers, for example, goes to a doctor. He has to screen him, he has to take out his all food and starve for three days, take a barium meal, and that meal, and that meal, and go on for 15 days. And by the time he comes out, oh nothing wrong. But in Sahaja Yoga, even if the beginning of the disease has started you can immediately feel it and you say "ah, there’s a liver." The other fellow might not know, saying "I don’t have any liver". But that’s not a fact because when he says he doesn’t have a liver he doesn’t know. Supposing he gets his Realization, he’ll come and tell me "Mother, my liver..." In a very gross way you will know and you’ll be amazed how you know it. It's something so surprising. As you feel the heat of this flame, you start feeling the heat of your organs within yourself on your fingers. You start feeling others on your fingertips. You see it's a very good - always a phrase used, "it’s on your fingertips". You immediately know if a person has started getting into cancer. You do not have to go to a doctor. Immediately you know the person has started getting into cancer. And then you should know also that once this connection with the divine is established - like this connection is established - you start manifesting yourself in such a wonderful way that you start curing cancer of others. Yours also is cured as a by-product and you start curing others. It just flows, it emits, it just flows like that. This lady asked me, "What do you think about yourself?" I said, "I think I’m like a flower - a fragrance - I’m just enjoying the fragrance." That's all. It is just like your fragrance manifesting, curing others, soothing others, loving others, solving and molding the problems in such a way that the whole thing becomes beautiful. The whole creation is going to be corrected through human beings but not by United Nations or not by any such organization, or any temples, or churches, or mosques. But by people who are enlightened. As if the connection is established and they are emitting through them the Divine Power, which is All-Pervading. If I say that this Divine Power is the one that’s the reality, the rest of it is all an illusion. To Me, it is. And this Divine Power is the power of love which just flows and emits itself. It manifests itself. It loves and it coordinates this dynamic. But because you’ve not yet felt it, what’s this of doubting about it? Once it starts flowing through you you’ll be amazed how powerful you are. This is what is your baptism where you become aware of the absolute within you, not the way you are aware in a confusion. As an absolute thing, you get an absolute value of authority. For example if there are ten children who are Realized Souls, you tie up their eyes and ask them, "Where's the problem of this gentleman?" They will all raise one finger, all of them - here it's burning - means the person has a problem his throat. This means that. I went to Stonehenge the other day and I was amazed what stories people have created out of that. This is a thing which is vibrating, has come out of Mother Earth which is described in the Bible. If you see in the Commandments, that anything that is created by the Mother Earth or by the sky is not to be reproduced and worshipped. That means there is something created out of the Mother Earth, one of them is your Stonehenge. But the people who were not sensitive to it cut them out, made round circles and things like that. It’s such a symbolic thing - only a person who’s Realized - all those who were Realized could feel the vibrations. Could feel that this is a great thing that the Mother Earth bestowed upon this great country of England 5,000 years back. And then today you are born in this country and that kind of a thing is looking after you. But when I say all these things [it] can be Greek and Latin for all of you - and should be. But when you will get your connection, the manifestation will be like a TV set that you bring in and you don’t know if anything is on. And suddenly to a villager if you open the TV-- "oh, how do you get it?" But the Self is made, you are made very carefully to know yourself. There is this Power in the triangular bone called as sacrum - sacrum means sacred bone. Imagine the Greeks called it sacred, so they knew that something that sacredness was about this bone. And also doctors know that when the whole body burns, this bone doesn't burn out. The Kundalini exists in that bone. This is the power which is placed there, like a [UNCLEAR premuel?] in a seed-- [Mother asking yogi] how do you say [UNCLEAR premuel?] in a general word in English?-- we can say a germinating power of a seed. It is placed within you and when it is awakened it rises, passes through all the centres, enriches them, goes up and opens your fontanel bone area. It actually does, you can see with your own eyes. Naked eyes, you can see this many people, those who are Realized Souls all have seen thousands like that. You can see the pulsation of the Kundalini at the triangular bone higher and wherever you have the problem you find the Kundalini moving. Till you find here on the head, you find it pulsates and when the pulsation stops, then the grace starts coming on you and you feel absolutely calm as if the myth has dropped out. As if the drama is over, as if you have become the witness and from your hands the cool breeze starts flowing. It is described in the Bible that the cool breeze is the Holy Ghost. And of course, Shankaracharya has described it as Chaitanya Lahari, as Saundarya Lahari, and all these things in such a voluminous books that some times it's most surprising at how a learned man like him, a great pandit, a great knowledgeable person should come to this and just describe Kundalini. I’m the Mother that is there to give you Realization. He said that you try anything else, it’s not going to work out. It’s the grace of the Mother only. When the grace of the Mother works then only through the Mother's awakening - this Kundalini - that you get your Realization. Now this Kundalini is an individual thing for each and every person. And She's your Mother, waiting for this great occasion of your Realization. Just waiting! Of course some times through our ignorance we have really ruined ourselves. I have seen people having very bad Kundalini. With the kind of Kundalini they must have been very tortured and weeping. And there are people who have really tormented themselves, no doubt, but you can soothe Her. You can love Her, caress Her and gradually bring Her up. If She is tired, if She is very unhappy, you can bring that joy up. Once you get your Realization you become-- first of all, before the Realization, when the Kundalini crosses over this point which is called as Agnya Chakra, you become thoughtlessly aware. You are aware but there is no thought. You jump into that part of your mind where the thought that was previous doesn’t exist and the thought that is going to appear of the future doesn’t come in. And you are in the centre there, in thoughtless awareness, and the silence is established as soon as the Kundalini comes across. But most surprising I am seeing that people with ego have a big Agnya [catch]; the Kundalini just stops there and goes. It’s very nice to see people getting Realization, no doubt. I mean, it’s the greatest joy for Me to see people evolve. It's beautiful and the whole face and everything changing, people transforming themselves completely. All the priorities change and a person becomes absolutely peaceful and happy. As a by-product, as Cohen has told you, your diseases gets cured. As a by-product. All your diseases get cured and you feel perfectly alright. This kind of [laughter] happening explains-- what makes Me laugh is that if you had paid for the program you would have gone through it. I tell you, the human beings as they are, really-- Even if you bring in a plate, they don't just want it. But when they get sick then they come to me, "Mother get us cured". That’s all. That’s the only interest. What's the use of curing these bodies who do not want God within them? Just think of it. There is no self-esteem in a human being. There’s no self-esteem, he doesn’t understand what is his value. Why is he on Earth? Is he here just to roam about and waste his life and die like an animal? Or there is something, a purpose within him? He doesn’t recognize it. Just now, on the way I was telling him that I don’t know about Chiswick because we have had 30 people last time, on whom I worked very hard, and none of them turned up. I said, I don’t know what type of people live in Chiswick. I really told-- just now, while coming with him I said that I don’t know if they have any self-esteem. I don’t know why. So far I have not met people who have self-esteem, who want to have it, but because Patricia said I said all right I’ll come along. Let’s see today what happens but I have to tell you again and again, whether you belong to Chiswick or anything, you are human beings and you are created by God in a flower. And He loves you very much. He is anxious to do this for you, no doubt. But He is not going to fall at your feet that, "Please take your Realization". You have to get it. You have to not only get it but you have to establish it and there is a protocol about it. If you go there like a BBC interviewer, say Robin Day style, he said "all right, thank you very much". The attention immediately receives from that point. One has to understand that the time has come for the Last Judgment. This is the Last Judgment. Only the Kundalini Awakening is the way you are going to be judged, there’s no other way. How God is going to judge you? Just tell me. Only way is by giving you awakening. I’ve seen how it works out. [Mother inquiring] This gentleman wants to come in or go out? This is the problem, we have people and people and people. But we do need people who have lot of self-esteem and they are real people, they are ardent seekers and they want it. Sahaja Yoga is not based on anything which is a showmanship or anything superficial. It's a deep thing. If you have that depth then only you will appreciate it. If you do not have, you will not. It’s not a shock. It's the deeper urge within us which will work it out and if you do not have that deeper urge, it will not work out. But despite all this I must say, in this England we have lots and lots of people who are absolutely deep. They are just to be triggered. Like in Brighton of all the places, just think of it. I went to Switzerland-- I was surprised that in Switzerland within 3-4 days we collected 200 Sahaja Yogis who were the first ones. It's most surprising how we got it. In India we had a lady about 80 years old. 80 year old lady, very well-read and she's a MA in sciences and mathematics all sorts of things, and she's got her Realization. Her sister was here. She came and told me, "We are amazed how my mother has transformed. All her priorities have changed, she’s become such a beautiful person and such a delightful person. All the time she’s smiling and such happenings. Otherwise she used to bother about every small thing. The carpet is alright or not, or this needs some cleaning, and this and that. All sorts of petty things would enter into her mind to trouble everyone in the house. But her priority has so much changed and she has become so beautiful. We are all enjoying her company." [CHANGE IN AUDIO] 39:49 getting your Realization. He said "yes, but do you think I have that power?" I said everybody has, you have to just come and get it. It’s a very, very simple thing. Everything that is [UNCLEAR white?] and simple. When we have to read we don't go to books or to libraries, do we? Which is free [laughter]. In the same way, it’s such a simple thing that it works in everyone. But when it works also people take it for granted. I’ve known some people from [UNCLEAR Chiswick?] who came to me who got Realization. They didn’t follow it up and then later on they came to that, "Mother I lost my vibrations". I said, "In the beginning when the seed is a sapling you have to look after it". Because if you were that all right, if your Kundalini was perfect, if you had no problems on your chakras you would have been there. But that’s not the thing because that atmosphere is so bad, the whole society is so funny, the whole concept about life is so disturbing. It’s such a matter mad rush, it’s such a rat race, then you do get harmed. You get definitely sick and that’s why it is necessary that all these things have to be corrected before you are established. Those who go with that ardent feeling are the ones who achieve and establish themselves and find their fulfillment - the meaning why they are here. That’s how they become one with the whole because they become collectively conscience. They become conscious of the collectivity that we have. There's no lecturing that "you're my brother, you’re my sister, there should be no racialism, there should be no nationalism, there should be this -ism and that -ism." No need at all, it just happens. You jolly well become. As one finger becomes conscious of the whole body, you become conscious of the whole. And then this purity, the beauty of that All-Pervading Power engulfs into such a joyful state that I wish all of you should have it and get it. But one has to have the desire - ardent desire. If you do not have the desire I cannot make you have the desire. In simple ways one can say that I am your Mother, I have done the cooking very well and I know how to do it. I'll work very hard for you but you have to taste it. You have to eat it. But if you are not hungry, you will not. You'll find out some excuse to run away from it because you are not hungry. So there are qualities of human beings, I find especially in this country, I find there are qualities-- absolutely, you can see clearly that there are qualities of yearning. Like today one of the disciples told me that she was reading Mahabharata. It was written that in Kaliyuga, in these modern times, very few will be people and the rest of them will be animals. And she first could not understand it, what does that mean. It means that the people are the ones who are seeking and the ones who are not seeking are just like animals. Because they just are born, they eat their food, live in this world, may be insurance or something they do and then they die. That's all. And maybe reserving some place in the churchyard or something at the most, or maybe they might be appearing in [UNCLEAR] by paying some money. That’s all. Nothing they have achieved in their life because they have no seeking. If the seeking is not there I don’t know whether even if you are an animal, because an animal seeks. I can’t understand how with freedom we have killed that instinct within us, which resides in the Nabhi as a seed that by which we seek our evolution. At this point when we are human beings we seek the beyond, the unconscious. But in India - people being simpler, not so complicated - it just works and they just get fixed there. It's easier. Here people being more - I should say going into ramblings of thinking, thinking out everything, planning out of everything - do get Realization much faster sometimes with a greater force but they go into rambling. First they verify what Mother said is correct or not, they want to see, they want to know more of about it instead of enjoying it. But in India people say all right we’ve got it, let’s see it and enjoy, finished. Why to worry? How she’s made it, how she’s done it? Let's enjoy it. It's a simple straightforward approach but here it is that they want to verify in an intellectual movement and they go into that [UNCLEAR horn?] business. They go about it and then they ultimately find "yes, it's the same". They accept me mentally. It goes the other way around. It doesn’t matter whatever it is, [UNCLEAR see to it?]. You have to have it. You have to get it, it is your right. As I say, I’m just a cashier. I am cashing your cheques that’s all. But also I’m a Mother so I tell you why your cheques are not cashed. So if you can do this or that it will work out. It works out no doubt, even without having any account in the bank but then you have to make changes and you have to be there. The best thing is to know that you are not on this Earth on your own and that you are created into this beautiful human being. [It] is not to be wasted. [It] is not to be thrown away into grave without making it worth it. You must find out your worth and then the dignity of your own glory will manifest and you will be amazed at how beautiful you are. May God bless you. You can ask some sensible questions then I don’t mind spending some time, but should be sensible. I do not want to say that this guru said this, and that guru said this, or this book and so on. Because there’s no need to go into controversies and all nonsense such as this. This jungle we should avoid and get to the point. That’s the best way of doing things. But if there are some sensible questions I would definitely like to answer. Thank you very much. I hope all of you who have come will not waste my energy and just go away and just don’t care for it. I would expect that. If it is that then I’ll never come to Chiswick. Thank you very much. [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: It’s all there, it’s all built in all right? You just don’t worry, you’ll be all right. Now what else? Before we start that, now that’s the correct attitude because you are a seeker. Now what's the question? Ask. If there is a question you must ask because I know this mind comes back and says "Oh you didn't ask this important question". [UNCLEAR audience member asks] Shri Mataji: About what? Karma? Now who does the Karma within human beings is the ego. All right? If the ego drops out it's not no more there, it's a myth. Actually it's a myth. Nobody knows it. It's a myth because the Self is the one which you achieve. When you become the Self everything drops out. When you become the Spirit, all negativity drops. Some people are saying you must cleanse your karma. Now see you’re sitting in the car, how can you clean your car? Unless and until you get out of it you cannot clean it. So this is first getting out and then you do the cleaning part. But actually you'll be amazed, after Realization you'll find that your karma becomes so minuet that to work it out is very easy. If the car is not moving what are you doing about it? Nothing. So let the car be moving, isn't it? Unless and until you have the lights you cannot move in darkness, can you clean it in darkness? If you do it you must [UNCLEAR] and that is what happens. [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: One session. I didn't follow. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: You should! That's the best way. All the time I'm near Victoria and also we have a program every Monday in [UNCLEAR location name]. All of them - some of them have it in some places. [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: Yeah she'll give you everything. That's a very good thing to say. One feels so happy to hear such a nice thing from you. Very sweet of you. Normally people ask me the other way around, "Can it not work out with only sitting, Mother?" [laughter]. You see, the cheaper-- the thing is like that only for say, sort of thing: "Can You do it with one penny?", it's like that. You will see. [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: What does he say? Abortion? [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: Before Realization one has no use talking about it - anything - because it doesn't matter. Whether you have abortion or you have many children, what does it matter? It makes no difference to God. Here I'm talking from the divine, all right, from the divine point. For example the other day somebody asked me, "You are in your country, you have such a big population problem". I said, what to do, you see? Because children do not want to be born in this country, they are all born there. What are we to do about it? So the divine's angle is very different. [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: There’s nothing relative. Now what happens when you are a Realized Soul - when you and your wife is also Realized - Realized children are born great souls. They are already-- you don’t know in this country how many are already born. These two children are Realized Souls [Mother points to children in audience] and the mother doesn't know. And such great children will be born to you, there's no question of abortion. You cannot have the abortion. Absolutely, that’s it. But if they are not Realized Souls, useless, you see nobody is dying. Actually they can be born again. So it's not something so fundamental. What I’m trying to say [is] that after Realization the whole thing changes. Whole thing changes. You don’t have many children, you have few, but you have first class children. Of course if you have say abortions, a child of yours supposing, when you do that there’s a right heart. Say you are a father and you had a child, you chose abortion by you for some purpose, then you do catch the chakra on the right heart no doubt. It’s a Rama's chakra, is that. But it can cured. It's all done in ignorance, it's forgiven. Forgiveness is the greatest quality of God. He is the ocean of forgiveness. So you just don't ponder about it because then you’ll say, "Oh I have done so much sins, what will happen?" Nothing. Everything is for God, it’s just the way that can [UNCLEAR]. It cleanses. It fulfills all the beings. It cures all your being and washes all your sins. What sins human beings can create? God is an ocean of compassion and a sin of a human being is not even a speck compared to that ocean. He is so great. You have to just feel it, you will be amazed how forgiving He is. His forgiveness is so sweet and so kind. It's so loving because the kind of God we have known through other agencies has been something different. That’s why we don’t understand Him. But when you know Him through your Spirit, through your Atma, you find that you have been unhappy for nothing at all. Enjoy. What others have to say? Yes? [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: Of course, of course you do. It depends on whenever you feel like. When you are out at shopping [laughter], it is not a time. If the time factor is not there-- Now for example supposing when I was to be born, my father and mother were to be born before me. It’s all planned out beforehand. I know who is my father going to be, my mother too because I was aware even in that situation. And when you were to be born, you wanted to know and then you were going round and round for many years to find out whom should we choose as your father. Then that desire materializes. So you cannot take time, it’s immaterial what I am saying. But you do choose if you are a mediocre - say a person who is neither this nor that, a useless person, as I call them animals or something like that, of that awareness - then you don’t choose. You don't mind coming on this Earth, just lay here and die. But if you are a person who is a seeker you do choose your parents, no doubt. But sometimes it tries to be wrong, but you have to pay for it. [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: It will be frightening to say that, isn't it? But I think we come back as human beings because we behave like dogs. Like you go in a shop-- [Mother laughs] today only I went in a shop and there was a lady. She just started barking at me for nothing at all, I just looked at her and said "What's the matter with you?". I didn't say anything to her and she just started shouting at me. She might have been from a dog condition or maybe she is still a dog with a human body. So many times you can see people and sometimes I've seen people at a time they’ll behave like a scorpion and sometimes like a dog because you have freedom. They can be all the things they have gone through, they could be in one lifetime. Sometimes roaring like a lion, sometimes maybe a serpent but the worst is that human beings become immoral. They can become devils. That's the worst thing. Animals may not but human beings do. That is what worries me. Ask some other pleasant question because you all are very upset now. [Laughter] Mark did you ask me any question? Yes? [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: All the time I’m available to you. We have an Ashram here, where people live, and I’m there every Sunday afternoon where you all will meet and you'll bring your children also. And we'll have a nice jolly time. We travel together, we go to various places in London, we live together, and we had a very nice seminar recently. We had about 60 people who were down there, it was a very nice place in [UNCLEAR Yorkshire?] and we all enjoyed thoroughly each other's company. Very nice. Only after Realization we start feeling the fragrance of others and we enjoy. You can ask Patricia, she is here, any other questions and you should meet her. Get all the addresses of the Ashram and all that. We'll be very happy, very happy, to have you all there. We have sometimes dinners there. It's all contributory, we do not ask for money or any funding - nothing like that. It's an Ashram which is supported by some of the Sahaja Yogis who pay for the rent of the house and live there. There's no money involvement of any kind. [UNCLEAR] That's how they have kept it well. Everything is so open. With Yoga - this is the Yoga, it's the union with God - it cannot be taught. It has to be worked out. But this Hatha Yoga, as we call it the Patanjal Shastra, we have to use some times but depending on the chakras. Supposing some chakras are not working out all right then we do have the asanas and pranayamas we use, but only if it is necessary. It is like this, you don't take all the medicines together in this manner, everybody taking it. So whatever is needed is exactly the point. The mantras also you will know, you will be able to [UNCLEAR coin?] your own mantras, you will know where is your Kundalini, you will know how to improve it, how to raise it. You can tell others also what mantras they will need and how it changes. Everything you will know. All that knowledge which will be verified by you. Absolutely verified. All these things have a meaning if you have the light, otherwise anything done in itself is nonsense, isn't it? I’ve seen people who have done Hatha Yoga, they catch on the heart. Can you imagine? On the heart, where their Spirit is, they catch on there. Why? Because if it's Yoga it should reflect. You are more worried about your physical being [then] there is an imbalance. Of course the body is important but [UNCLEAR] because once you have the light everything works out by itself. Even cancer is only curable through Sahaja Yoga, there is no other way out. But till they get it they won’t come and then I’m not interested either because Sahaja Yoga is not for curing people. It is for Realization. Just as a byproduct the cure comes in because God can recreate it. God is not a doctor. Why not get your Realization so that you cure others? Is a simple thing, all right? Any more questions? Now how many Yogis you have met? [laughter] [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: One or two, that's all? [UNCLEAR from audience] Thank God. [Laughter] [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: Are you a doctor? [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: More than important. I told you that before Realization all this is done. They have to do something because they are not Realized. [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: You see now for example, I’ll tell you a case of a heart plant all right? I’ll tell you, I have seen a person with a heart transplant. He came to me. He was better, he had been cured, he got his Realization also despite all that. You know it is nothing. People have committed such tremendous mistakes, still they have got it. The Spirit doesn’t live in the heart like a package stuff. Every night it comes out. So even if they start transplantation, it's okay. Here we have all kinds of samples and all kinds of people coming around. One of them was a gentleman who came with a very crooked [UNCLEAR] like that, just like serpentine and all, I said now, how did you get this one? All kinds of samples are there I tell you. He said, "Mother I used to feel that this life is of no use. I have not found my fulfillment. So I did all kinds of things like parachuting, grand [UNCLEAR], this, that, dropped myself from everywhere, dropped myself on my house and I didn't die. So I thought there must be some reason". I said, "Now you’ll come with this broken stuff here". So I was working on him left and right. So you see, he's got his Realization. What is it my child? [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: Oh when you pierce your Sahasrara here - when you pierce this point, here at the fontanel bone area - that is the time you really get your Realization because it starts flowing through you. All right? [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: No you shouldn't say it that way. Enlightenment means your rebirth. You are born as a new child into a new awareness and you have to go and mature. When you mature then you can call it as Nirvana, but is the beginning of it. It is the beginning of it. It is not absolute Nirvana - some do [get] it, some do, I must say. I've known people who have just got it like that and they are there. But not more, not all. Some of them grow gradually. They are not yet prepared for that maturity. They mature gradually. Some grow very fast. There's a difference. Even the people that are sitting here, there's difference in their growth, in their way of movement depending on what sort of a problem Kundalini has. Not necessarily that you have committed sins. Could be that you have been to a bad guru who has ruined deliberately your Kundalini. Could be. But this is a state into which we move our awareness. There’s a very good lecture I gave in [UNCLEAR location name]. If you have time please ask them to give you that tape of whatever is the style they have. Listen to it. I’ve given them the seven points onto which you move in your awareness. But first of all you become thoughtlessly aware then you become doubtlessly aware. Once you become doubtlessly aware, you start giving Realization to others without any force. Now there are many here who are doubtlessly aware, can you believe it? First they were not even thoughtlessly aware. They were in a great mess. The first 6 ones, I worked with them for 4 years continuously. 6 of them. It would be sometimes say 6 or 8, I thought I’m going to lose but it worked. Now they are all right. All right, should we now go ahead? Can you take out your shoes? Now why do we take out our shoes is because there’s a better earthing, you see? Just for earthing. Just put it like this, can you take out? Just, keep it one side-- we can keep it on the chair. All right. Now you have to just put your hands like this. As I said told you that the fingertips have all the sympathetic centres here which have to be enlightened. So you just put your hands towards me like that. John can you remove this from here? He will do it, no problem. Thank you. Just put your hands - just like this towards me - and now you close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Now while closing the eyes you have to see that there is no flickering in your eyelids. If there is any flickering then you keep your eyes open. If there is no flickering then keep your eyes closed. Close your eyes. You will now find that there is no thought in your mind. Close your eyes completely. You will just find that there is no thought in your mind, please close your eyes. Don’t keep them open, just close them because the Kundalini won’t rise. If your eyes are open, the Kundalini won’t rise. If you see that, it will not cross the Agnya. Please hold your breath for just a second until I tell you to give it. Just hold your breath. Close your eyes. Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba. Please leave it. Again, please hold your breath. Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba. Leave it. Last time, again please hold your breath. Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba. Leave it. Thank you. You’ll start feeling cool breeze in your hands, in your fingers. Keep your eyes shut. Just don’t think because the thoughts have stopped now. It will work out. By worrying about it, it is not going to work out. It will just work out because it has to work out. Keep your neck in a straight line, not in neither very high high or low, but in a straight line. Don’t pay attention in the centre of your eyes or anywhere, just let it be loose. Just let your attention be loose. Don’t force anything upon yourself, anything, just let it be loose. It’s a happening that has to take place within yourself. As soon as the happening takes place, the attention will be attracted inside. You don’t have to do anything about it. Nothing to be tried, just sit relaxed and it will work out by itself. You have to ask it from your heart, not from your brain but from your heart.	null	null	null	Public program in Chiswick, London (England), 23 August 1980. PUBLIC PROGRAM, THERE IS SOME MEANING, CHISWICK, LONDON (UK) 1980/08/23 First of all I must apologize for being late, has been kind of … and I was really enjoying their happiness. [UNCLEAR] has told you in short what happens after Self Realization, on which the Spirit grows an understanding. Because I think - the trapped people - people have been told on a gross state where their attention is. If you suddenly start talking about the spiritual life, the stars emitting, you can just get trapped and this is something that can go beyond that so much. Open your heart. But when I am talking to you, you have to know that whatever I am saying is not to be an [UNCLEAR accepted truth?]. It’s not to be. Nor is it necessary for you to be [UNCLEAR rigid?]. I am here to prove all that is said about God, about beauty, about Spirit - that’s your Atma - and also to quick fix yourself. This is my job. When Kabir was telling you about this I was looking at your faces and I was wondering, first is God and if such a fantastic [UNCLEAR] could be living in us and people might say that “how can it be?”. But let us think about the great Universal Being, how human beings are created, how we are seeking God. There must be something about it. And even if it starts [UNCLEAR to protest] we should say “why not?”. If you could sit with that kind of a relaxed attitude it will work fine. Because [UNCLEAR] that we cannot believe that we deserve it [UNCLEAR] How many years it has taken? Thousands and thousands of years from matter state you have come into human state. And how many seekings you must have had in your previous lives? Perhaps we take everything for granted. Even to see that we have become human beings is in itself miraculous. You did not do anything to be a human being, you see. We just take our human life for granted, absolutely. And that’s why you do not understand that even our Realization has to be taken for granted. It has to work out. Because if God has created you, it says some meaning about it. If there is some meaning what others have said it to you, you see, He has to do this for you so that you know the power which has created you. So that you know who you are. So that you know what is your fulfillment. So that you know what your roots are. If nature is anxious to do that - one should understand very carefully, put your attention to this point - that God has really created us out of something that was dead. As we are living people, we are human beings and we are seeking. What are we seeking? What do we expect to seek? [CHANGE IN AUDIO] 05:22 start seeking ourselves. Where does the Self lie? And how do we know about it? It is said in the Bible that you are to be born again. All the churches have baptism. Whatever may be the style of church it may be, I don’t know if the Spiritualist churches have the baptism or not. But all the churches have baptism. Whatever may be the outside problem or whatever may be the differences in the outside, everybody talks of that rebirth. Hindus talk of rebirth, Muslims talk of rebirth, everyone talks that you are to be reborn. The only mistake perhaps human beings have made is that this rebirth cannot be brought forth by the effort of human beings. Human beings have not done any effort whatsoever. They have not done any effort to become human beings. So they cannot do any more efforts to become higher. Like a seed sprouts by itself, this living process will happen spontaneously. It's rather difficult for human beings to understand but just think how did you take your birth, what effort did you put in. Your mother did all the job for you, she took all the pains upon herself and you were born. If you are to be reborn, also you cannot put in any effort. But specially in the West where it is more ego-oriented attitude towards things, they cannot believe it that it will be done effortlessly. It’s a fact. We got everything effortlessly and it’s God’s grace which is going to work it out effortlessly. Now when I tell you about our being as it exists within us, then we have to see-- [Mother talking about the child] If you remove his traps then he’ll be alright, give him freedom all right? You shouldn't tie them up, they are here for enjoying their freedom all right? Good. Let him go to play. Good, just push that out, the chair. Here in this picture you can see we have drawn out the inner being very clearly. Now when I am telling you about it, you don’t have to believe. As I told it’s an hypothesis I'm putting forward. If it works out then naturally you will believe me, I know that. After enlightenment you have to believe, not before that because I will be telling you a story and blind faith is of no use for Sahaja Yoga. But that doesn’t mean by any chance that you should keep yourself bound by a certain XYZ book you read five years back. But keep yourself absolutely open and vacant to understand how you exist within yourself. The knowledge that we have about outside world is through our understanding, which comes to us by our organs of perception. But these organs of perception are not perfect, nor they're enlightened enough to give us a clear-cut idea about anything whatsoever. These different centres that we have in our being exist in this final spot, till they go here to the sixth centre where you see this red mark on my head. In the centre of the pituitary and the pineal body, crossing of the optic nerve. That’s the sixth centre and the seventh centre is the limbic area in your brain. Now there are seven centres as I have told you. The first one is the centre of Mooladhara which emits innocence in you. Innocence is the first thing that was created in this universe. And this innocence is embodied in a human being as a child and that portion is responsible for looking after you as a child in the mother's womb. The other day I was listening to the BBC and they said that we do not know how a foreign thing in the body is so well retained in the womb. Because a donkey gave birth to a horse and a horse gave birth to a donkey, and they could not explain it. Now this I have said it many a times before that medical sciences cannot explain many things. One of them is this that how is it a foreign thing inside the body is not only retained but is looked after, is nourished and is expelled from the body at the right time. This in the centre which has a deity which decides what is to be retained and what is not to be retained. Then there is another thing, like acetylcholine and adrenaline. The doctors would say that the action of these two chemicals in the human body - to augment or to relax - is so arbitrary that you cannot decide what is the cause of it. So they say the mode of action of these chemicals in the human body cannot be explained. It's very frank and honest, isn't it? These centres act in a manner that is arbitrary. They take a decision on their own and if you ask the doctors about them they may say that we cannot explain why different plexuses emit different kinds of stimuli, and why a certain action takes place when in the nature of a particular stimuli it is just the opposite. This they can explain that this is autonomous nervous system. It is a system which is controlled by auto but if you ask them who’s this auto-- You say it’s a automobile, so there’s a driver sitting down there, isn't it? Automobile doesn’t move by itself, there has to be a driver to drive an automobile. Anything where, you say an autocrat, there has to be some auto - somebody who controls. So in a way they accept that there is someone within us who controls these centres or these plexuses and the whole system of sympathetic and parasympathetic is controlled by somebody who is sitting somewhere there, who is doing the job. It’s a kind of a confession they make but they just brand it like that. You see, it's autonomous nervous system - finished. They cannot go beyond it so they just brand it. But who does the job? We have to go a little deeper into it and find out who does the job. The one who does the job is the one we do not know. Neither we can control it or manoeuvre it because the one who does the job doesn’t come into our conscious behaviour, into our conscious mind, or in today what you call the central nervous system. Now the one who we have to know is the Self and this powerful controlling entity lives in our heart, as I think, but whether it lives or not we can verify it later. Because we have not known that "auto" we are seeking. We get a glimpse of it sometimes and we feel oh no, this is not the end of life, we have not found out our fulfillment. We have not yet found out what we are. We have to find out our meaning so we go here and there. We enter into all kinds of nonsensical things sometimes. Even we may take to drugs, we may take to some gurus, or take to this and that, all sorts of things that may not lead you to the proper place. This is the problem of today. Sahaja Yoga is meant for real ardent people. It doesn’t matter if you have money or not, it doesn’t matter if you’re poor or rich, it doesn’t matter whatever race you come from. These things have no bearing on your Realization. The only thing that triggers it is how far are you seeking. Are you truthful about it or are you seeking the fulfillment of your ego or your super ego? If you want to do something because you like it then you have not yet understood the point because you have not yet known it, so how will you decide whether you like it or not? For example if I have never seen the cake, I have never tasted it, I don’t know what are the ingredients, how am I to say whether I like it or not? Who is "I" that is saying all this, that "I" like it, "I" didn’t like it, "I" don’t think it was correct, "I" don’t think it was all right? Who says these things? Is it your Self saying it? No because yet it is not manifesting. So who is saying this "I" is Mister E-G-O. So one has to know that it is beyond your ego. It is beyond your super-ego - is the conditioning. Now this all has been said before. This is nothing new that I am saying to you. Only all these sayings of the people has helped me to prepare proper grounds for you to understand what to expect. [Mother talking to yogi] What’s the matter with the child? Will you-- I think you better take him out because it disturbs the others. I'm alright but others' concentration is disturbed. Now what should we expect when we say about Self Realization? What does that mean? What should happen to us when we think of Self Realization? The first thing that should happen to us is that our awareness must become collectively conscious. We are individually conscious. For example I see a lady, I will say "oh she's a nice lady, I like her. Her dress was good, her bearing was good, her manners were good." Or we can say, "she was otherwise." But this is your own understanding of the person at a very limited level. At that level it’s only your ego telling you or maybe your conditioning, supposing your mother had blue eyes, so you may say that this blue-eyed lady is very nice. Somehow you feel very happy with that. Nothing more than that. Maybe some sort of a conditioning in you that draws you to that person but absolutely you cannot say why you like such a person or why you don’t like that person. Why you like a particular face and why you don’t like another. So the first thing that should happen to you that you jump into your own, you jump into it. You become. It's not lecturing, it's not just brainwashing, but you become collectively conscious. Jung has said that if Self Realization takes place, it should work out into the breakthrough, into the unconscious - means an unconscious which is all-pervading. According to him, it was an All-Pervading Power. We source symbols in our dreams and expresses through symbols within us, through numbers and things like that. He has an extensive work on the unconscious and thanks to him now I can give you the meaning of what he was saying and it helps me a lot. He himself was a Realized Soul and what he said was that if you get Self Realized, the unconscious becomes conscious. The unconscious which we see sometimes in our dreams, maybe through our behaviour, becomes conscious within. Now what are we conscious about? Say we are conscious about the heat of this, all right? We can feel the heat of the flame. We can feel the cold of the item. This is in our conscious knowledge. This is our subjective knowledge that we can feel the fragrance of the flowers. It is our knowledge to see the aesthetics or we can say these colours of flowers. Animals do not see the aesthetics, they do not know cleanliness. Human beings have achieved a lot in their awareness but still I would say they live in complete ignorance because the light is not there and there’s a big confusion in their minds. Now actually what should happen to us is this: that in our awareness, when we are collectively conscious, we should feel the heat of others, the cold of others, the centres of others, the problems of others. We should feel them within us. We do not really feel them within us. For example this problem in Cambodia the other day, I was sitting with a lady and was to be a very big person but she was looking absolutely miserable. So I said, "why, what’s the matter with you? Why are you so miserable?" She said, "you know, I’m very much feeling guilty about Cambodia." Now what's the use of you feeling the guilt about it, I can’t understand. I said, if you cannot do anything about it, no use feeling guilty. You can feel sorry and do something about it in a sensible way, but you sit down and weep and cry feeling guilty about Cambodian people. How are you going to help them? I mean, it's absolutely absurd. And you being miserable is not going to help. Now the problem of another person, whatever you feel for them is not a knowledge from within but is a knowledge of objectivity in the sense that whatever you think about the problem is the problem. Like, you see somebody in pain. The body is giving a pain and you do not feel that pain at all but you feel that "oh this person is having a pain and something mundane about it." But when you are collectively conscious then you also record a little pain within you, not much but you will. A person who is suffering from livers, for example, goes to a doctor. He has to screen him, he has to take out his all food and starve for three days, take a barium meal, and that meal, and that meal, and go on for 15 days. And by the time he comes out, oh nothing wrong. But in Sahaja Yoga, even if the beginning of the disease has started you can immediately feel it and you say "ah, there’s a liver." The other fellow might not know, saying "I don’t have any liver". But that’s not a fact because when he says he doesn’t have a liver he doesn’t know. Supposing he gets his Realization, he’ll come and tell me "Mother, my liver..." In a very gross way you will know and you’ll be amazed how you know it. It's something so surprising. As you feel the heat of this flame, you start feeling the heat of your organs within yourself on your fingers. You start feeling others on your fingertips. You see it's a very good - always a phrase used, "it’s on your fingertips". You immediately know if a person has started getting into cancer. You do not have to go to a doctor. Immediately you know the person has started getting into cancer. And then you should know also that once this connection with the divine is established - like this connection is established - you start manifesting yourself in such a wonderful way that you start curing cancer of others. Yours also is cured as a by-product and you start curing others. It just flows, it emits, it just flows like that. This lady asked me, "What do you think about yourself?" I said, "I think I’m like a flower - a fragrance - I’m just enjoying the fragrance." That's all. It is just like your fragrance manifesting, curing others, soothing others, loving others, solving and molding the problems in such a way that the whole thing becomes beautiful. The whole creation is going to be corrected through human beings but not by United Nations or not by any such organization, or any temples, or churches, or mosques. But by people who are enlightened. As if the connection is established and they are emitting through them the Divine Power, which is All-Pervading. If I say that this Divine Power is the one that’s the reality, the rest of it is all an illusion. To Me, it is. And this Divine Power is the power of love which just flows and emits itself. It manifests itself. It loves and it coordinates this dynamic. But because you’ve not yet felt it, what’s this of doubting about it? Once it starts flowing through you you’ll be amazed how powerful you are. This is what is your baptism where you become aware of the absolute within you, not the way you are aware in a confusion. As an absolute thing, you get an absolute value of authority. For example if there are ten children who are Realized Souls, you tie up their eyes and ask them, "Where's the problem of this gentleman?" They will all raise one finger, all of them - here it's burning - means the person has a problem his throat. This means that. I went to Stonehenge the other day and I was amazed what stories people have created out of that. This is a thing which is vibrating, has come out of Mother Earth which is described in the Bible. If you see in the Commandments, that anything that is created by the Mother Earth or by the sky is not to be reproduced and worshipped. That means there is something created out of the Mother Earth, one of them is your Stonehenge. But the people who were not sensitive to it cut them out, made round circles and things like that. It’s such a symbolic thing - only a person who’s Realized - all those who were Realized could feel the vibrations. Could feel that this is a great thing that the Mother Earth bestowed upon this great country of England 5,000 years back. And then today you are born in this country and that kind of a thing is looking after you. But when I say all these things [it] can be Greek and Latin for all of you - and should be. But when you will get your connection, the manifestation will be like a TV set that you bring in and you don’t know if anything is on. And suddenly to a villager if you open the TV-- "oh, how do you get it?" But the Self is made, you are made very carefully to know yourself. There is this Power in the triangular bone called as sacrum - sacrum means sacred bone. Imagine the Greeks called it sacred, so they knew that something that sacredness was about this bone. And also doctors know that when the whole body burns, this bone doesn't burn out. The Kundalini exists in that bone. This is the power which is placed there, like a [UNCLEAR premuel?] in a seed-- [Mother asking yogi] how do you say [UNCLEAR premuel?] in a general word in English?-- we can say a germinating power of a seed. It is placed within you and when it is awakened it rises, passes through all the centres, enriches them, goes up and opens your fontanel bone area. It actually does, you can see with your own eyes. Naked eyes, you can see this many people, those who are Realized Souls all have seen thousands like that. You can see the pulsation of the Kundalini at the triangular bone higher and wherever you have the problem you find the Kundalini moving. Till you find here on the head, you find it pulsates and when the pulsation stops, then the grace starts coming on you and you feel absolutely calm as if the myth has dropped out. As if the drama is over, as if you have become the witness and from your hands the cool breeze starts flowing. It is described in the Bible that the cool breeze is the Holy Ghost. And of course, Shankaracharya has described it as Chaitanya Lahari, as Saundarya Lahari, and all these things in such a voluminous books that some times it's most surprising at how a learned man like him, a great pandit, a great knowledgeable person should come to this and just describe Kundalini. I’m the Mother that is there to give you Realization. He said that you try anything else, it’s not going to work out. It’s the grace of the Mother only. When the grace of the Mother works then only through the Mother's awakening - this Kundalini - that you get your Realization. Now this Kundalini is an individual thing for each and every person. And She's your Mother, waiting for this great occasion of your Realization. Just waiting! Of course some times through our ignorance we have really ruined ourselves. I have seen people having very bad Kundalini. With the kind of Kundalini they must have been very tortured and weeping. And there are people who have really tormented themselves, no doubt, but you can soothe Her. You can love Her, caress Her and gradually bring Her up. If She is tired, if She is very unhappy, you can bring that joy up. Once you get your Realization you become-- first of all, before the Realization, when the Kundalini crosses over this point which is called as Agnya Chakra, you become thoughtlessly aware. You are aware but there is no thought. You jump into that part of your mind where the thought that was previous doesn’t exist and the thought that is going to appear of the future doesn’t come in. And you are in the centre there, in thoughtless awareness, and the silence is established as soon as the Kundalini comes across. But most surprising I am seeing that people with ego have a big Agnya [catch]; the Kundalini just stops there and goes. It’s very nice to see people getting Realization, no doubt. I mean, it’s the greatest joy for Me to see people evolve. It's beautiful and the whole face and everything changing, people transforming themselves completely. All the priorities change and a person becomes absolutely peaceful and happy. As a by-product, as Cohen has told you, your diseases gets cured. As a by-product. All your diseases get cured and you feel perfectly alright. This kind of [laughter] happening explains-- what makes Me laugh is that if you had paid for the program you would have gone through it. I tell you, the human beings as they are, really-- Even if you bring in a plate, they don't just want it. But when they get sick then they come to me, "Mother get us cured". That’s all. That’s the only interest. What's the use of curing these bodies who do not want God within them? Just think of it. There is no self-esteem in a human being. There’s no self-esteem, he doesn’t understand what is his value. Why is he on Earth? Is he here just to roam about and waste his life and die like an animal? Or there is something, a purpose within him? He doesn’t recognize it. Just now, on the way I was telling him that I don’t know about Chiswick because we have had 30 people last time, on whom I worked very hard, and none of them turned up. I said, I don’t know what type of people live in Chiswick. I really told-- just now, while coming with him I said that I don’t know if they have any self-esteem. I don’t know why. So far I have not met people who have self-esteem, who want to have it, but because Patricia said I said all right I’ll come along. Let’s see today what happens but I have to tell you again and again, whether you belong to Chiswick or anything, you are human beings and you are created by God in a flower. And He loves you very much. He is anxious to do this for you, no doubt. But He is not going to fall at your feet that, "Please take your Realization". You have to get it. You have to not only get it but you have to establish it and there is a protocol about it. If you go there like a BBC interviewer, say Robin Day style, he said "all right, thank you very much". The attention immediately receives from that point. One has to understand that the time has come for the Last Judgment. This is the Last Judgment. Only the Kundalini Awakening is the way you are going to be judged, there’s no other way. How God is going to judge you? Just tell me. Only way is by giving you awakening. I’ve seen how it works out. [Mother inquiring] This gentleman wants to come in or go out? This is the problem, we have people and people and people. But we do need people who have lot of self-esteem and they are real people, they are ardent seekers and they want it. Sahaja Yoga is not based on anything which is a showmanship or anything superficial. It's a deep thing. If you have that depth then only you will appreciate it. If you do not have, you will not. It’s not a shock. It's the deeper urge within us which will work it out and if you do not have that deeper urge, it will not work out. But despite all this I must say, in this England we have lots and lots of people who are absolutely deep. They are just to be triggered. Like in Brighton of all the places, just think of it. I went to Switzerland-- I was surprised that in Switzerland within 3-4 days we collected 200 Sahaja Yogis who were the first ones. It's most surprising how we got it. In India we had a lady about 80 years old. 80 year old lady, very well-read and she's a MA in sciences and mathematics all sorts of things, and she's got her Realization. Her sister was here. She came and told me, "We are amazed how my mother has transformed. All her priorities have changed, she’s become such a beautiful person and such a delightful person. All the time she’s smiling and such happenings. Otherwise she used to bother about every small thing. The carpet is alright or not, or this needs some cleaning, and this and that. All sorts of petty things would enter into her mind to trouble everyone in the house. But her priority has so much changed and she has become so beautiful. We are all enjoying her company." [CHANGE IN AUDIO] 39:49 getting your Realization. He said "yes, but do you think I have that power?" I said everybody has, you have to just come and get it. It’s a very, very simple thing. Everything that is [UNCLEAR white?] and simple. When we have to read we don't go to books or to libraries, do we? Which is free [laughter]. In the same way, it’s such a simple thing that it works in everyone. But when it works also people take it for granted. I’ve known some people from [UNCLEAR Chiswick?] who came to me who got Realization. They didn’t follow it up and then later on they came to that, "Mother I lost my vibrations". I said, "In the beginning when the seed is a sapling you have to look after it". Because if you were that all right, if your Kundalini was perfect, if you had no problems on your chakras you would have been there. But that’s not the thing because that atmosphere is so bad, the whole society is so funny, the whole concept about life is so disturbing. It’s such a matter mad rush, it’s such a rat race, then you do get harmed. You get definitely sick and that’s why it is necessary that all these things have to be corrected before you are established. Those who go with that ardent feeling are the ones who achieve and establish themselves and find their fulfillment - the meaning why they are here. That’s how they become one with the whole because they become collectively conscience. They become conscious of the collectivity that we have. There's no lecturing that "you're my brother, you’re my sister, there should be no racialism, there should be no nationalism, there should be this -ism and that -ism." No need at all, it just happens. You jolly well become. As one finger becomes conscious of the whole body, you become conscious of the whole. And then this purity, the beauty of that All-Pervading Power engulfs into such a joyful state that I wish all of you should have it and get it. But one has to have the desire - ardent desire. If you do not have the desire I cannot make you have the desire. In simple ways one can say that I am your Mother, I have done the cooking very well and I know how to do it. I'll work very hard for you but you have to taste it. You have to eat it. But if you are not hungry, you will not. You'll find out some excuse to run away from it because you are not hungry. So there are qualities of human beings, I find especially in this country, I find there are qualities-- absolutely, you can see clearly that there are qualities of yearning. Like today one of the disciples told me that she was reading Mahabharata. It was written that in Kaliyuga, in these modern times, very few will be people and the rest of them will be animals. And she first could not understand it, what does that mean. It means that the people are the ones who are seeking and the ones who are not seeking are just like animals. Because they just are born, they eat their food, live in this world, may be insurance or something they do and then they die. That's all. And maybe reserving some place in the churchyard or something at the most, or maybe they might be appearing in [UNCLEAR] by paying some money. That’s all. Nothing they have achieved in their life because they have no seeking. If the seeking is not there I don’t know whether even if you are an animal, because an animal seeks. I can’t understand how with freedom we have killed that instinct within us, which resides in the Nabhi as a seed that by which we seek our evolution. At this point when we are human beings we seek the beyond, the unconscious. But in India - people being simpler, not so complicated - it just works and they just get fixed there. It's easier. Here people being more - I should say going into ramblings of thinking, thinking out everything, planning out of everything - do get Realization much faster sometimes with a greater force but they go into rambling. First they verify what Mother said is correct or not, they want to see, they want to know more of about it instead of enjoying it. But in India people say all right we’ve got it, let’s see it and enjoy, finished. Why to worry? How she’s made it, how she’s done it? Let's enjoy it. It's a simple straightforward approach but here it is that they want to verify in an intellectual movement and they go into that [UNCLEAR horn?] business. They go about it and then they ultimately find "yes, it's the same". They accept me mentally. It goes the other way around. It doesn’t matter whatever it is, [UNCLEAR see to it?]. You have to have it. You have to get it, it is your right. As I say, I’m just a cashier. I am cashing your cheques that’s all. But also I’m a Mother so I tell you why your cheques are not cashed. So if you can do this or that it will work out. It works out no doubt, even without having any account in the bank but then you have to make changes and you have to be there. The best thing is to know that you are not on this Earth on your own and that you are created into this beautiful human being. [It] is not to be wasted. [It] is not to be thrown away into grave without making it worth it. You must find out your worth and then the dignity of your own glory will manifest and you will be amazed at how beautiful you are. May God bless you. You can ask some sensible questions then I don’t mind spending some time, but should be sensible. I do not want to say that this guru said this, and that guru said this, or this book and so on. Because there’s no need to go into controversies and all nonsense such as this. This jungle we should avoid and get to the point. That’s the best way of doing things. But if there are some sensible questions I would definitely like to answer. Thank you very much. I hope all of you who have come will not waste my energy and just go away and just don’t care for it. I would expect that. If it is that then I’ll never come to Chiswick. Thank you very much. [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: It’s all there, it’s all built in all right? You just don’t worry, you’ll be all right. Now what else? Before we start that, now that’s the correct attitude because you are a seeker. Now what's the question? Ask. If there is a question you must ask because I know this mind comes back and says "Oh you didn't ask this important question". [UNCLEAR audience member asks] Shri Mataji: About what? Karma? Now who does the Karma within human beings is the ego. All right? If the ego drops out it's not no more there, it's a myth. Actually it's a myth. Nobody knows it. It's a myth because the Self is the one which you achieve. When you become the Self everything drops out. When you become the Spirit, all negativity drops. Some people are saying you must cleanse your karma. Now see you’re sitting in the car, how can you clean your car? Unless and until you get out of it you cannot clean it. So this is first getting out and then you do the cleaning part. But actually you'll be amazed, after Realization you'll find that your karma becomes so minuet that to work it out is very easy. If the car is not moving what are you doing about it? Nothing. So let the car be moving, isn't it? Unless and until you have the lights you cannot move in darkness, can you clean it in darkness? If you do it you must [UNCLEAR] and that is what happens. [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: One session. I didn't follow. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: You should! That's the best way. All the time I'm near Victoria and also we have a program every Monday in [UNCLEAR location name]. All of them - some of them have it in some places. [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: Yeah she'll give you everything. That's a very good thing to say. One feels so happy to hear such a nice thing from you. Very sweet of you. Normally people ask me the other way around, "Can it not work out with only sitting, Mother?" [laughter]. You see, the cheaper-- the thing is like that only for say, sort of thing: "Can You do it with one penny?", it's like that. You will see. [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: What does he say? Abortion? [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: Before Realization one has no use talking about it - anything - because it doesn't matter. Whether you have abortion or you have many children, what does it matter? It makes no difference to God. Here I'm talking from the divine, all right, from the divine point. For example the other day somebody asked me, "You are in your country, you have such a big population problem". I said, what to do, you see? Because children do not want to be born in this country, they are all born there. What are we to do about it? So the divine's angle is very different. [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: There’s nothing relative. Now what happens when you are a Realized Soul - when you and your wife is also Realized - Realized children are born great souls. They are already-- you don’t know in this country how many are already born. These two children are Realized Souls [Mother points to children in audience] and the mother doesn't know. And such great children will be born to you, there's no question of abortion. You cannot have the abortion. Absolutely, that’s it. But if they are not Realized Souls, useless, you see nobody is dying. Actually they can be born again. So it's not something so fundamental. What I’m trying to say [is] that after Realization the whole thing changes. Whole thing changes. You don’t have many children, you have few, but you have first class children. Of course if you have say abortions, a child of yours supposing, when you do that there’s a right heart. Say you are a father and you had a child, you chose abortion by you for some purpose, then you do catch the chakra on the right heart no doubt. It’s a Rama's chakra, is that. But it can cured. It's all done in ignorance, it's forgiven. Forgiveness is the greatest quality of God. He is the ocean of forgiveness. So you just don't ponder about it because then you’ll say, "Oh I have done so much sins, what will happen?" Nothing. Everything is for God, it’s just the way that can [UNCLEAR]. It cleanses. It fulfills all the beings. It cures all your being and washes all your sins. What sins human beings can create? God is an ocean of compassion and a sin of a human being is not even a speck compared to that ocean. He is so great. You have to just feel it, you will be amazed how forgiving He is. His forgiveness is so sweet and so kind. It's so loving because the kind of God we have known through other agencies has been something different. That’s why we don’t understand Him. But when you know Him through your Spirit, through your Atma, you find that you have been unhappy for nothing at all. Enjoy. What others have to say? Yes? [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: Of course, of course you do. It depends on whenever you feel like. When you are out at shopping [laughter], it is not a time. If the time factor is not there-- Now for example supposing when I was to be born, my father and mother were to be born before me. It’s all planned out beforehand. I know who is my father going to be, my mother too because I was aware even in that situation. And when you were to be born, you wanted to know and then you were going round and round for many years to find out whom should we choose as your father. Then that desire materializes. So you cannot take time, it’s immaterial what I am saying. But you do choose if you are a mediocre - say a person who is neither this nor that, a useless person, as I call them animals or something like that, of that awareness - then you don’t choose. You don't mind coming on this Earth, just lay here and die. But if you are a person who is a seeker you do choose your parents, no doubt. But sometimes it tries to be wrong, but you have to pay for it. [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: It will be frightening to say that, isn't it? But I think we come back as human beings because we behave like dogs. Like you go in a shop-- [Mother laughs] today only I went in a shop and there was a lady. She just started barking at me for nothing at all, I just looked at her and said "What's the matter with you?". I didn't say anything to her and she just started shouting at me. She might have been from a dog condition or maybe she is still a dog with a human body. So many times you can see people and sometimes I've seen people at a time they’ll behave like a scorpion and sometimes like a dog because you have freedom. They can be all the things they have gone through, they could be in one lifetime. Sometimes roaring like a lion, sometimes maybe a serpent but the worst is that human beings become immoral. They can become devils. That's the worst thing. Animals may not but human beings do. That is what worries me. Ask some other pleasant question because you all are very upset now. [Laughter] Mark did you ask me any question? Yes? [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: All the time I’m available to you. We have an Ashram here, where people live, and I’m there every Sunday afternoon where you all will meet and you'll bring your children also. And we'll have a nice jolly time. We travel together, we go to various places in London, we live together, and we had a very nice seminar recently. We had about 60 people who were down there, it was a very nice place in [UNCLEAR Yorkshire?] and we all enjoyed thoroughly each other's company. Very nice. Only after Realization we start feeling the fragrance of others and we enjoy. You can ask Patricia, she is here, any other questions and you should meet her. Get all the addresses of the Ashram and all that. We'll be very happy, very happy, to have you all there. We have sometimes dinners there. It's all contributory, we do not ask for money or any funding - nothing like that. It's an Ashram which is supported by some of the Sahaja Yogis who pay for the rent of the house and live there. There's no money involvement of any kind. [UNCLEAR] That's how they have kept it well. Everything is so open. With Yoga - this is the Yoga, it's the union with God - it cannot be taught. It has to be worked out. But this Hatha Yoga, as we call it the Patanjal Shastra, we have to use some times but depending on the chakras. Supposing some chakras are not working out all right then we do have the asanas and pranayamas we use, but only if it is necessary. It is like this, you don't take all the medicines together in this manner, everybody taking it. So whatever is needed is exactly the point. The mantras also you will know, you will be able to [UNCLEAR coin?] your own mantras, you will know where is your Kundalini, you will know how to improve it, how to raise it. You can tell others also what mantras they will need and how it changes. Everything you will know. All that knowledge which will be verified by you. Absolutely verified. All these things have a meaning if you have the light, otherwise anything done in itself is nonsense, isn't it? I’ve seen people who have done Hatha Yoga, they catch on the heart. Can you imagine? On the heart, where their Spirit is, they catch on there. Why? Because if it's Yoga it should reflect. You are more worried about your physical being [then] there is an imbalance. Of course the body is important but [UNCLEAR] because once you have the light everything works out by itself. Even cancer is only curable through Sahaja Yoga, there is no other way out. But till they get it they won’t come and then I’m not interested either because Sahaja Yoga is not for curing people. It is for Realization. Just as a byproduct the cure comes in because God can recreate it. God is not a doctor. Why not get your Realization so that you cure others? Is a simple thing, all right? Any more questions? Now how many Yogis you have met? [laughter] [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: One or two, that's all? [UNCLEAR from audience] Thank God. [Laughter] [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: Are you a doctor? [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: More than important. I told you that before Realization all this is done. They have to do something because they are not Realized. [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: You see now for example, I’ll tell you a case of a heart plant all right? I’ll tell you, I have seen a person with a heart transplant. He came to me. He was better, he had been cured, he got his Realization also despite all that. You know it is nothing. People have committed such tremendous mistakes, still they have got it. The Spirit doesn’t live in the heart like a package stuff. Every night it comes out. So even if they start transplantation, it's okay. Here we have all kinds of samples and all kinds of people coming around. One of them was a gentleman who came with a very crooked [UNCLEAR] like that, just like serpentine and all, I said now, how did you get this one? All kinds of samples are there I tell you. He said, "Mother I used to feel that this life is of no use. I have not found my fulfillment. So I did all kinds of things like parachuting, grand [UNCLEAR], this, that, dropped myself from everywhere, dropped myself on my house and I didn't die. So I thought there must be some reason". I said, "Now you’ll come with this broken stuff here". So I was working on him left and right. So you see, he's got his Realization. What is it my child? [UNCLEAR audience member asks question] Shri Mataji: Oh when you pierce your Sahasrara here - when you pierce this point, here at the fontanel bone area - that is the time you really get your Realization because it starts flowing through you. All right? [UNCLEAR from audience] Shri Mataji: No you shouldn't say it that way. Enlightenment means your rebirth. You are born as a new child into a new awareness and you have to go and mature. When you mature then you can call it as Nirvana, but is the beginning of it. It is the beginning of it. It is not absolute Nirvana - some do [get] it, some do, I must say. I've known people who have just got it like that and they are there. But not more, not all. Some of them grow gradually. They are not yet prepared for that maturity. They mature gradually. Some grow very fast. There's a difference. Even the people that are sitting here, there's difference in their growth, in their way of movement depending on what sort of a problem Kundalini has. Not necessarily that you have committed sins. Could be that you have been to a bad guru who has ruined deliberately your Kundalini. Could be. But this is a state into which we move our awareness. There’s a very good lecture I gave in [UNCLEAR location name]. If you have time please ask them to give you that tape of whatever is the style they have. Listen to it. I’ve given them the seven points onto which you move in your awareness. But first of all you become thoughtlessly aware then you become doubtlessly aware. Once you become doubtlessly aware, you start giving Realization to others without any force. Now there are many here who are doubtlessly aware, can you believe it? First they were not even thoughtlessly aware. They were in a great mess. The first 6 ones, I worked with them for 4 years continuously. 6 of them. It would be sometimes say 6 or 8, I thought I’m going to lose but it worked. Now they are all right. All right, should we now go ahead? Can you take out your shoes? Now why do we take out our shoes is because there’s a better earthing, you see? Just for earthing. Just put it like this, can you take out? Just, keep it one side-- we can keep it on the chair. All right. Now you have to just put your hands like this. As I said told you that the fingertips have all the sympathetic centres here which have to be enlightened. So you just put your hands towards me like that. John can you remove this from here? He will do it, no problem. Thank you. Just put your hands - just like this towards me - and now you close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Now while closing the eyes you have to see that there is no flickering in your eyelids. If there is any flickering then you keep your eyes open. If there is no flickering then keep your eyes closed. Close your eyes. You will now find that there is no thought in your mind. Close your eyes completely. You will just find that there is no thought in your mind, please close your eyes. Don’t keep them open, just close them because the Kundalini won’t rise. If your eyes are open, the Kundalini won’t rise. If you see that, it will not cross the Agnya. Please hold your breath for just a second until I tell you to give it. Just hold your breath. Close your eyes. Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba. Please leave it. Again, please hold your breath. Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba. Leave it. Last time, again please hold your breath. Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba. Leave it. Thank you. You’ll start feeling cool breeze in your hands, in your fingers. Keep your eyes shut. Just don’t think because the thoughts have stopped now. It will work out. By worrying about it, it is not going to work out. It will just work out because it has to work out. Keep your neck in a straight line, not in neither very high high or low, but in a straight line. Don’t pay attention in the centre of your eyes or anywhere, just let it be loose. Just let your attention be loose. Don’t force anything upon yourself, anything, just let it be loose. It’s a happening that has to take place within yourself. As soon as the happening takes place, the attention will be attracted inside. You don’t have to do anything about it. Nothing to be tried, just sit relaxed and it will work out by itself. You have to ask it from your heart, not from your brain but from your heart.
8/26/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5971	Raksha Bandhan	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	47	Raksha Bandhan. London (UK), 26 August 1980. Today in India, we celebrate a special festival. It is called as ‘Raksha bandhan’. ‘Raksha’ means protection and ‘bandhan’ means the bondage, the bondage of protection. It’s a very nice, good, social custom to have this beautiful festival today. Today is the full moon day and this day what we do is to tie a band of threads around the person whom you want to protect. But it is done between brothers and sisters. The sisters tie this bondage to the wrist of the brothers, and when they do that, they are putting all their love around the wrist, [such] that it is the day for giving all their love, everything to their brother, as a protection, as a symbol of their protection, through that thread. It’s a very, very simple thread they use. And this has to be tied on the left-hand side. But people tie it on the right-hand side, which is a mistake. But it has to be tied on the left-hand side. In our Sahaj Yoga the significance of left wrist is that it is the Left Vishuddhi, Left Vishuddhi, which is here. And this is the Left Vishuddhi expressed here, you know that very well. Now, Left Vishuddhi is the place where our relationship of brothers and sisters exists. When they are disturbed within us, we start getting the problem of the Left Vishuddhi. In these modern times, the talk of pure relationship seems to be quite boring for many people. But it’s very practical and logical. I would say it is the most scientific thing to do. For example, every brother has a special feeling for a sister, and her chastity is very dear to every brother, if he’s a normal person - if he’s abnormal, then forget it. But normally a brother is very particular about the chastity of the sister, and he doesn’t like anybody to, in any way, even pass a remark against the chastity of a sister. I mean, these natural things we might have lost because of whatever you may call it, the modern style of thinking or the machinery that is sitting on our heads. But the normal thing is to feel that way, purely, about the sister; and the sister about the brother. Brothers’ and sisters’ relations are extremely pure and are also accepted in this country very well. For example, even in England, if you go to a hotel and if you are brothers and sisters they’ll say that, “Sleep in two separate rooms,” because under law you cannot sleep in one room. But in India people will not understand, because if they are brothers and sisters they should sleep in one room only, they’ll say, “What is going to go wrong with them?” I mean, people can’t understand. It’s an insult to say to brothers, sisters that “You should not sleep together, it won’t be good, it is illegal.” There is no law against this, because nobody does that. You see it is like we don’t say that don’t eat faeces. In the same way it is. I mean, you are not to pass a law for a thing like that! So people are quite shocked at seeing such laws. And first thing, people told me, “Do you know what sort of laws there are?” And I was amazed at this kind of a thing. I mean, people are so much natural, that it naturally comes to them that, how brothers and sisters can be like that. Apart from that, supposing you call somebody as your sister or as your brother. It’s a very well worshipped connection in India, and should be with us also. If you call somebody a sister, then not only that you do for her the way you would do for your sister, but in all your relationships, in all your festivals, in all the weddings in the family, she’s treated like a sister. Now I had somebody like that who called me a sister. When they got their daughter married, I told them, “It may not be possible for me to come to Delhi on that date,” so they changed the date. But they said, “For engagement we’ll come to Bombay and have the engagement, because you are there.” I mean, I am not related to him as a sister, but these things never crawl into the heads of the people. When this brother of mine, who might be at least, I think, sixteen or seventeen years older than me, was going to Delhi, my husband said, “Very good! He’s going, so now You can go with him in the train.” And they booked a coupé for us. I mean it was quite natural and I mean that, it should be. My husband would not allow me to travel alone in any other compartment, but with my own brother. I mean, he is just like my own brother. The more you think about it, the purity of it, just think how we keep ourselves clean, our attentions clean, our societies clean. For example, you go to somebody’s house: the gentleman has three, four sisters. Now, when you go to his house you are his friend, then they are also your sisters - no complications. There’s no problem. In the same way, Sahaj Yogis and Sahaj Yoginis are brothers and sisters. You have to understand that you are brothers and sisters, and the relationship between us has to be purer and purer and purer. There should be no choice going on between brothers and sisters. But, if somebody has a feeling for someone from the very beginning, not like a sister, then a relationship can be established. Or somebody sees someone for the first time, not as a Sahaj Yogini, but is shown as a bride or something, then it’s a different point. But if the person has been a Sahaj Yogi and a Sahaj Yogini, let this feeling grow within you of complete purity. It will clear out many of our problems and you will be amazed, our attention will settle down very beautifully within us. I’ll give you a very wonderful story from the history of India. Once Alexander the Great invaded India, and he was a very powerful man. He came up to a place where there was one king called as Puru, who arrested him. When King Puru arrested him he put him in the jail. But the wife of Alexander was an Indian lady and he did not know, Puru did not know, that she was an Indian lady. But Indian lady as she was, very clever, and she knew the traditions of the family. That was the day, what is today, is of Rakshabandhan. So when King Puru came to the courts, in one little plate, a brass plate or a silver plate, she sent one rakhi and covered it with a proper cloth and sent it to him. So when on that day the rakhi came you cannot refuse it. So he asked, “Who has sent this?”. They said, “It’s one of your adopted sisters has sent it.” You are not to refuse that relationship. And when he opened it he found a rakhi there. So the rakhi was tied to him. He said, “Who is this sister of mine?” So they said, “She is the wife of Alexander.” He was so upset with that idea that, “He is my brother-in-law and I have put him in the jail.” He went there. He said, “Sir, please forgive me. I am sorry!” He prostrated himself before Alexander. He said, “Come along now to the courts.” He took him, he said, “You sit on my throne. I’m sorry for whatever I’ve done. You do whatever you please. You can take my this thing.” And he couldn’t understand what had happened. He thought, “He’s gone mad or what?” Then with great pomp and show he sent him home with all the jewellery and everything and with all the things for the sister whom he had never seen before. So when he went in, the wife was smiling. He said, “What’s the matter? How am I here? I can’t understand. What have you done?” He said, “What do you have in your hand?” So she said, “This is the rakhi, I have got.” He said, “What did you do?” She said, “I just sent a rakhi like this to this Alexander. Did you see in his hand?” “Yes,” he said, “it was tied on his hand.” “So that’s it!” He said, “What? For this he left me? I would devour this country completely!” She said, “Yes, he has left you because that’s the symbol of sisterhood. Sisterhood is a very powerful relationship. He cannot cross that! There are maryadas. You cannot cross that relationship.” If a sister is before you, you just stop there. That’s a maryada. You cannot go beyond it. And then Alexander just thought, “Look at these people! On a thread they are going to release a man like me who is so dangerous? What sort of people are they?” He just bowed to the soil of India and he said, “Oh Lord, please, I cannot do anything anywhere here.” He returned back from Karachi and he said, “I am not going to rule this country anymore. It is too much, they are too sensitive people for me to do.” But in the society we have to know that you can only enjoy if you have one wife: really. Your society can enjoy better and you can enjoy a better life if you have only one wife whom you love and she loves you. Now, what we see in modern societies today is that even after marriage, even having ten children, the old men are going searching for their brides. It’s such a wasteful energy. It’s such a boring stuff. It’s an absolutely joyless nonsense. So, let us settle down today, and decide among ourselves that we have to establish our Left Vishuddhi by understanding the purity of brothers and sisters. The purity of brothers and sisters has to be established. Now, today is the day when, in India, we had a function held where people tied rakhi to someone, to someone whom they found to be a sister. And still now, it’s now ten years have passed to those things, but that day they will call the sister. Then sister comes, she ties the rakhi, and the brother has to give some sweet present to her. And the sister makes some nice things for him to eat and everybody is very happy. Even the wife is very happy at such a thing. Because if the husband does not have a sister, how will she enjoy her married life with her husband? Because he’ll be always having bad eyes towards other women. This sister teaches you to put your attention in such a way that you automatically become righteous. Now, when we extend our righteousness, when we see...I mean, to me, when I came first - I came a long time back, as I told you - when I saw the women dressed the way they are, I was amazed! What are these women doing? They are writing ‘Welcome’. And like prostitutes just attracting men. Horrible it was! I just couldn’t understand how have they lost their character. Just like pornography walking on the streets! It’s ugliness. And, I was vomiting all the time, oh vomiting. I was so sick. I just couldn’t understand what are these women doing here! And this is the sense of chastity the women must have first. We cannot put the responsibility on men. The way women move about, the way they behave, the way they are all the time...Here I was surprised that, men will button their coats if they see a lady and the lady will open her clothes. I mean, just the other way round it should be. What is there in a man’s body to hide? But a woman has to be respectable. If she has no respectability, she has no business to complain for all these things there are going on like rapes and all sorts of filth and dirt. As Sahaj Yogis I would request you to pay attention to this side of your society, which is very important: how women in their foolishness are becoming slaves to the caprices of men. In their esteem and glory they should stand, and must know that chastity is their power. If a woman does not have a chastity and a dignity of chastity, why do they have rape business? Rape absolutely should be acceptable to us. It should be just absolutely just like going to the bathrooms. What is wrong in it? But that sense has to be born when you have a brother. And when you know what a brother is, then you will know that: would you like to do this before your brother? To walk on the roads in this manner? To walk on the streets like cheap women? For Sahaj Yoginis it doesn’t behove! Sahaj Yoginis have to be dignified. There are so many dignified dresses in this country, I don’t know where have they vanished. I don’t know what has happened to them. Now the way women walk here, I think from the dictionary the words like ‘prostitutes’ and all that will vanish completely! Though it may sound very out-of-date, but it is the most modern and ultra-modern thought, if you give it a thought to it. It will create an atmosphere for you in which you’ll feel extremely secured. Now, take the modern disease women have of breast cancer. You know that breast cancer is caused because of the centre heart problem, as you see there. Now centre heart is caused to a woman when she sees her husband is having those adulterous eyes as Christ has described. That starts working, she feels insecure all the time with a man like that, you see. She’s walking hand in hand but inside this insecurity is building up. All women who suffer from such subconscious worries and subconscious fears, suffer from breast cancers. So, those women who walk about [dressed scantily] like that are adding to it. Now those women who walk about like this also are losing Ganesha’s blessings completely according to Sahaj Yoga. Because you are just trying to be nothing but prostitutes, just think of it! And this is one thing I have been thinking of saying, and today is the most auspicious day that I have said to you in such clear words. So please understand that you have to respect your chastity. And men have to respect women as sisters, and not as every woman is for them, for their use. That’s how they are reducing the value of their mothers and their sisters. And in the country where the women are not respectable, no gods are going to remain. That’s why all these horrible things are happening in this country and in the countries which are taking to this kind of life. These horrible things are working out in such a manner that you cannot imagine what satanic forces are working it. Prostitutes who have died are coming back as spirits, they are possessing you. All sorts of sly and filthy women who are not to enter into the thresholds of the temples of households, are entering into your household because you have accepted their way of life. And the only thing they say is, “What’s wrong?”. The depth of it is to understand, it is the greatest cause of today’s malignancy: not only physical, not only emotional, not only moral, but social malignancy. You just see. It’s very subtle. I know you are so many realised-souls, you can understand it. You go to somebody’s house to have a relationship with them, to talk to them, to be free with them. This is what is collectivity, isn’t it? You go into a group of people where you want to have absolute free behaviour with them: like children you want to play, talk to them, in a simple manner. You cannot do it if you have such an obsession, you cannot: your eyes will be fixed on one or two persons; you’ll be running after one or two persons. Even in music, I have seen, people cannot enjoy their music because their attention is moving here and there for nonsensical things. It’s a very subtle thing: try to understand. It’s [that] by which your collectivity is killed. That’s why people here are so frantic. Anybody comes they close the door. They are so afraid of other people. They do not want to talk to anyone, they do not want to have anything with them because they don’t know what sort of attack is going to come. And the worst attack is this social attack, of which they are frightened. Today being this day, I would say that you should ask for strength to rise above all these nonsensical ideas which have settled down and become those beautiful people, the special ones, the unique people, who respect their chastity and that of their sisters. Let this feeling grow, create health and wealth in this country. And there are so many types of things which one can say: Lakshmi and Vishnu were married, and the sister of Vishnu was Parvati, the one who is the Mahakali. And Vishnu was a royal person, because He is in the centre. He was like a king. While Mahadeva, the Shankara, was a person who lived like an ascetic, didn’t bother about anything. He used to only rub those chandan and all those things on the faces, and His vahana is a big bull, and He’s not very well-covered, His body. And He lives like an ascetic. You can call Him a hippie! All right. (Laughter) And, while She comes from a royal family and She’s feeling very shy that, “Look at this! My husband is such a fellow coming on that horrible thing! And His disciples have one eye or they have one horn or they have a tail coming out from here.” You know, all kinds of things He has gathered, as I have gathered also sometimes! And then She’s feeling very shy and She thinks, “Oh, God! Now what are my people going to say and what are they going to do?” So She prays. She says, “Please, Vishnu,” She says, “Please let me see what is Your position to my husband!” And She finds that Vishnu is washing the feet of Shiva. I mean, just see, just feel it, how beautiful it is, how beautiful it sounds! You see, because, “He is the husband of my sister,” and He says that, “Even all the wealth of my being, if I give You as the dowry oh my sister, how can I adorn this ascetic, the King of Kings?” And the whole conversation is so beautiful, the brother and sister talking to each other. But She’s feeling shy and He’s trying to tell Her. You see, all these beauties are lost because the whole thing becomes a sex point! All the manifestations and the sublimation of these things are lost. Now, I would tell you today, because today is the day I don’t want to talk about all the Kundalini thing. But one thing about Kundalini I have to tell you: what is the way to bring forth this things. Like when a child is born in the family – as you know Gavin [Brown] has got a little girl and Peter [Pierce] has a little son. The child is allowed to sleep, should be allowed to sleep, with everyone in the family, with the brother, sisters, everyone. That is the time that the innocence is complete. And they then touch those sublime areas within them which makes them enjoy that sublimity all their lives. But if you make the child from the very beginning conscious that he should not sleep with this one and sleep with that. And, “If you sleep with that…” and “Don’t sleep with a boy!” and, “You don’t sleep with a woman!” and all that, they’ll start thinking, “What do we do? What is the matter with these people?” You see. They just don’t understand. And then ideas start crawling into them and funny things come up. The places where they have taken so much care and given so much training and all that, you find it’s so perverted! While the places where they don’t talk about it, it is perfect, they live naturally, nobody does these things. And then under these circumstances, when you develop that sublimity within, you enjoy your chastity; to such an extent that it becomes even more important than your life. Like in India, there was a case when a very beautiful queen, Padmavati - was Padmini. She was known all over for her beauty and dignity. The beauty doesn’t mean like Elisabeth Taylor’s style. It’s a different type. Now, this lady was a wife of a king and a Muslim emperor said that, “I want to see this lady.” So they said, “All right, you can see her, there’s no harm in seeing.” But she said, “No! Why does he want to see me? He wants to see with bad eyes. So at the most if he has to see me, he can see me only in a mirror. I will not directly face him, because that’s a question of my chastity. He can look at my reflection but not at my body.” So she stood and he saw her in the mirror. Instead of feeling the sublimity of that chaste woman, he felt that he must get that woman. And he said that, “Somehow or other I must have the woman. If you don’t give me this woman then I am going to just finish you off. I am going to kill you, all of you!” Now they did not know what to do and they were not such a big kingdom and he was such a ferocious man. Now what to do? So, then they said, “We cannot do this, to send our queen to this man. This is against our manliness,” because that sense of chastity, of saving the chastity of women was there. So they sent a message that, “We are bringing the queen to you.” And they made a hundred palanquins. In the hundred palanquins they put a hundred sepoys inside and the king sat in the first one, and four people were carrying each palanquin. In the palanquin were the arms and ammunitions. And they thus walked into the military camps that were just pitched for this [meeting]. And they had told these women that, “In case we lose, then you will see no signs from us. In the morning, if you see about five o’clock, a big fire then know that we have won.” And when this emperor, he drank a lot and he came to the queen and opened the door, first his hand was cut and everybody started fighting. And a big fighting began. They fought to their last but they lost because they were very few in number. They lost it. So, these women were looking out for a thing and when they found that there is no sign they made a huge, big pyre on a fortress, all of them, and they made a big, huge fire on that pyre and got into it and killed themselves, before anybody could touch them. There have been many such stories. But this comes only if you have a sense of chastity. If you do not have the sense of chastity you will think, “This is foolishness, why should they kill [themselves]?” Because nothing dies. This body doesn’t die. But if you become unchaste, you are ruined. You have no respect for yourself then. So we have to, today, think that we have to lead a life of very good brothers and sisters, with all of affection and love. From India all the people have written to me. They have sent their best wishes to you. And they send their love to you. They have remembered all of you by name and everything. They are very happy about the marriages that took place. And they are very much anxious to receive you in India. They said, “Whatever is possible in our small way we’ll attend to you and look after you. But this day we all remember you, because we are your brothers and sisters.” And they have also sent it to Australian people and to some Americans and to other people like Gregoire and all that. So all of them are today thinking of you, all you brothers... (break in recording) ...which really has ruined our society, ruined our families, ruined our children and has ruined our sources of joys. So, today you have to think about it how we are going to re-establish it. Now, when I talk about these things you shouldn’t think that India is perfect. Indians can be quite horrid on another side of it, which you are not. They are different type of people. So, when I have to talk to them, I’ll talk to them something else. But with you, I have to request you to think about it and to put your attention to it. And you will be amazed - when you will know about it - how much a chastity of a woman is important and graceful and energy-giving to her and to the whole society, to her own brother, to her own father, mother and everyone, to her children; because she is the one, really, who is the Shakti. And if she starts frittering away her Shakti like this then the Shakti of the whole community, the whole country, disappears. And that is why all the gurus, right from Adi Nath or you can say, Adi Guru, up to Moses and Abraham and Mohammed Sahib and all these people have been so particular on this point that even Mohammed Sahib said, “Supposing there are too many women then you can marry four times.” It doesn’t mean that every Muslim should marry. But it was meaning that there were too many women in those days. So he said, “All right, but marry them!” Once we start understanding then our relationships with each other, with the Nature, with everything, straightens out and we get into a complete, full picture of ourselves - how we are related to others. There is no confusion about things. And this confusion can be removed with a little help. I have seen that, when I tell you these stories sometimes, people feel that this might be a legend. It’s not. Even today you might find such people all around. There are people, but they suffer a lot, because they cannot get any appreciation or understanding. They are regarded as bad people or useless people. But now, among us, when we are in a group, we can form a very strong personality, if we have that pure relationship, that purity within us. And that is something very, very important. We had another very great example in India of a queen which always has enamoured me very much. And that was when she was an ordinary girl and there was a prince with whom she met and the prince fell in love with her. But Akbar did not want – the father, Akbar, who was the emperor, did not want the boy to marry an ordinary girl. So he sent her away, he married her to another man. And he sent her away and gave her a big place, a big area to rule. When this Akbar died, the son got the throne and at that time there was a war on and her husband was killed in that war. And she thought that, “This man has killed my husband on purpose to acquire me.” He brought her, the emperor brought her. Now, he was the Emperor of India, her [future] husband was the Emperor of India. He brought her back from her place and he offered her that, “I would like to make you the queen, the empress.” She said, “If you are under any misapprehension, please know that I cannot marry the man who has killed my husband.” He tried his level best to explain, but she would not take any explanation, she would not listen to anything. She said nothing. She went into a forest, took a hermitage, she was living there, and she would not meet anyone. Now, this prince took it very seriously and he got very sick. And then the doctor said that, “Unless and until he marries this girl he cannot be saved.” So, the mother was another lady called as Jodha Bai. I mean, Akbar had married a Hindu lady. She said, “All right, I’ll solve the problem!” So, she went to this forest and started serving this lady, like and ordinary maid servant. After some time this lady said that, “What do you want? Why have you come to me?” She said, “No, I want you to promise me something. Will you give me that?” She said, “Yes, if I can.” “Yes, you can give me”. She said, “I want you to marry my son.” Now, she went there as an ordinary woman, a maid servant. She said, “Yes, I am willing to marry your son, if you think so. Because I have given you a word, I will marry your son.” And that turned out to be this Jahangir and his wife was Nur Jahan. What a character it is! Then she married him, because she had given her word. But what a character! Just think of that character! What a character it was, to be like that. Another story I would like to tell you today - because today is a very auspicious day and we should talk of stories and laughter and enjoyment - [is] that we had another very great king in Maharashtra called as Shivaji. And he was a king who was like Robin Hood because he was trying to oppose these Muslim emperors who were dominating India. And the people who were his soldiers and things, they would go and attack people from the emperor’s side and would plunder them just like Robin Hood: take all their properties and things and bring it to Shivaji. Once it so happened that a daughter-in-law of a Moghul courtesan, you can say, or a man, who was like a duke or something was going that way; the daughter-in-law. And many people were with her. And she had lots of her jewellery and everything was going with her. The treasury was very large. So, they plundered her and brought all the treasury and everything and plundered that lady and brought her to Shivaji. Now, Shivaji was sitting there and she had covered her face with a veil. So, he said, “Please, lift your veil.” Now, before the king she can’t say anything, so she lifted her veil. He said – see, the beauty of it. I don’t know if you can feel the subtleness of it. I mean, whenever I remember the words, really it fills me with such joy. He said, “If my mother was as beautiful as you are I would have been equally beautiful.”See the expression. That means, “You are my sister.’ “If my mother was as beautiful as you are I would have been equally beautiful.’ He took all the treasury and everything and forbid them, that, “Don’t touch women. The moment you touch them you’ll be ruined. It’s not holiness.” And he sent away all her treasury, everything, all her people with all great respect and complete release of all things that she had. He didn’t keep even a farthing out of her. But he gave his own things to her as a sister and he said that, “You can always recall on me, wherever there is a problem. I am your brother.” What a great thing it was! Just think of it! Now, these relations are disappearing; which are to live again, to prosper again and to grow again and thus we are going to improve our Left Vishuddhi. Left Vishuddhi comes out of guilt. But in the subconscious the greatest guilt in a human being is when he crosses the limits of sisterhood. This is the greatest guilt in his mind, which he is not aware [of]. If you could clear out that guilt completely. Left Vishuddhi is only in the West, I find. I have told you many a times. Now, all other guilts are built up on that particular guilt. Like feeling guilty about something happening in Vietnam. Actually it is just shifting your mind from one to another. Actually, the guilt is this. In the very subtle way this is the guilt: that at every woman you have looked with lusty eyes - is the guilt. And that guilt builds up and gives you another picture because you do not want to accept the reality, so it gives you another picture, “Oh, I am guilty about that. I feel very guilty about the poor people.” In Switzerland they told Me, “Mother, we feel guilty about the poor people.” I said, “How much have you donated out of your money? Have you even reduced your one bottle of whiskey per day? What have you sacrificed that you are feeling guilty?” So, this is what it is. And this is because we are here placed with this deep problem in the society. It is for us to remove it from our Left Vishuddhi. And then you’ll be amazed, if you have a Left Vishuddhi, you cannot even smile properly. There’s no childlike smile. It becomes very funny. When people smile also sometimes, I feel they’re crying. You can’t understand if they are smiling or crying, you know, it’s very difficult. Somebody was smiling and I was telling the person, “Don’t cry, don’t cry, please, please,” and the person looked at me! The cheerfulness, which is so pure just like flowers, cannot come up with your Left Vishuddhi. So, do not build it up. Now, finished, is finished. Now, forget about the past. Now, do not go onto the past. If you go to the past, you go to the Left Vishuddhi. And you’ll be amazed most of the baddhas go and settle down into Left Vishuddhis, you have seen that. Anything you do, first of all it goes to the Left Vishuddhi. And who stays there is the sister of Shri Krishna, who was sacrificed to save the life of Shri Krishna, which is another long, long story, which will take too much time. So, I’ll tell you about it some time later on. Now, those who have come for the first time, for them it was quite an entertaining story today because it was a festival day; doesn’t matter! Even if you have come for the first time, it’s nice to know about some things which are very important and vital for life. Now, righteousness after Realisation becomes a need, because you start getting the pain here all the time. The hand is always here: one hand towards me and another here; is a common picture. It’s a common picture, you see. I see here, slowly I find somebody’s hand is going like this. (Laughter) If there is a scarf they would like to do it. It’s a very common picture I see. So, I would say that, if we can basically purify ourselves. And today try to find a brother for yourself, a real brother for whom you feel. Now, the Indian Sahaj Yogis have sent me three rakhis. This was by somebody else, but three of them, which is another very poetical situation. Modi has written that, “You are the protection for all of us. And what do we do to put this onto You? And what are we doing it?” So, they said that, “All the sisters of Sahaj Yogis are sending this to be tied on all the brothers of Sahaj Yoginis who are in Your wrist.” And that’s how they have sent three – of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati – three things which I will ask one of the children to come and do it; because it is the work of a small little child. Where are they playing? Just call them, they are needed here. May God bless you! Now, some boy has to come and do it. For the people who have come for the first time they have to know that Sahaj Yoga is the yoga which is the only yoga where you become one with your Spirit. It’s the union with the Spirit. There’s no other way out. It’s the awakening of the Kundalini, which enlightens your attention with the light of the Spirit. And other things that people think of – that we can put in an effort or we can work it out, that is not a proper method. Because it is a living process, it’s an evolutionary process. You have evolved in such a manner that you have become... Sit down here. All right, come and tie it, right, just see. You have to tie it on my left hand. Not a complete knot, but a half knot. You know how to make it? Like this. All right? Yes. Like a bow. Can you make it? Like a bow. Chaya, can you come and tell them? Like a bow you have to do it. All right. Just now you tie it like that as it is, then I will do it later on. Child: Yes, we can do it now. Shri Mataji:You know? You know? That’s good! Like a bow you tie. Yes, great, yeah. It’s all right. Great! That’s it! Keep it out. It’s all right. If you do it one bow it’s all right. All right. That’s all right.	null	null	null	Raksha Bandhan. London (UK), 26 August 1980. Today in India, we celebrate a special festival. It is called as ‘Raksha bandhan’. ‘Raksha’ means protection and ‘bandhan’ means the bondage, the bondage of protection. It’s a very nice, good, social custom to have this beautiful festival today. Today is the full moon day and this day what we do is to tie a band of threads around the person whom you want to protect. But it is done between brothers and sisters. The sisters tie this bondage to the wrist of the brothers, and when they do that, they are putting all their love around the wrist, [such] that it is the day for giving all their love, everything to their brother, as a protection, as a symbol of their protection, through that thread. It’s a very, very simple thread they use. And this has to be tied on the left-hand side. But people tie it on the right-hand side, which is a mistake. But it has to be tied on the left-hand side. In our Sahaj Yoga the significance of left wrist is that it is the Left Vishuddhi, Left Vishuddhi, which is here. And this is the Left Vishuddhi expressed here, you know that very well. Now, Left Vishuddhi is the place where our relationship of brothers and sisters exists. When they are disturbed within us, we start getting the problem of the Left Vishuddhi. In these modern times, the talk of pure relationship seems to be quite boring for many people. But it’s very practical and logical. I would say it is the most scientific thing to do. For example, every brother has a special feeling for a sister, and her chastity is very dear to every brother, if he’s a normal person - if he’s abnormal, then forget it. But normally a brother is very particular about the chastity of the sister, and he doesn’t like anybody to, in any way, even pass a remark against the chastity of a sister. I mean, these natural things we might have lost because of whatever you may call it, the modern style of thinking or the machinery that is sitting on our heads. But the normal thing is to feel that way, purely, about the sister; and the sister about the brother. Brothers’ and sisters’ relations are extremely pure and are also accepted in this country very well. For example, even in England, if you go to a hotel and if you are brothers and sisters they’ll say that, “Sleep in two separate rooms,” because under law you cannot sleep in one room. But in India people will not understand, because if they are brothers and sisters they should sleep in one room only, they’ll say, “What is going to go wrong with them?” I mean, people can’t understand. It’s an insult to say to brothers, sisters that “You should not sleep together, it won’t be good, it is illegal.” There is no law against this, because nobody does that. You see it is like we don’t say that don’t eat faeces. In the same way it is. I mean, you are not to pass a law for a thing like that! So people are quite shocked at seeing such laws. And first thing, people told me, “Do you know what sort of laws there are?” And I was amazed at this kind of a thing. I mean, people are so much natural, that it naturally comes to them that, how brothers and sisters can be like that. Apart from that, supposing you call somebody as your sister or as your brother. It’s a very well worshipped connection in India, and should be with us also. If you call somebody a sister, then not only that you do for her the way you would do for your sister, but in all your relationships, in all your festivals, in all the weddings in the family, she’s treated like a sister. Now I had somebody like that who called me a sister. When they got their daughter married, I told them, “It may not be possible for me to come to Delhi on that date,” so they changed the date. But they said, “For engagement we’ll come to Bombay and have the engagement, because you are there.” I mean, I am not related to him as a sister, but these things never crawl into the heads of the people. When this brother of mine, who might be at least, I think, sixteen or seventeen years older than me, was going to Delhi, my husband said, “Very good! He’s going, so now You can go with him in the train.” And they booked a coupé for us. I mean it was quite natural and I mean that, it should be. My husband would not allow me to travel alone in any other compartment, but with my own brother. I mean, he is just like my own brother. The more you think about it, the purity of it, just think how we keep ourselves clean, our attentions clean, our societies clean. For example, you go to somebody’s house: the gentleman has three, four sisters. Now, when you go to his house you are his friend, then they are also your sisters - no complications. There’s no problem. In the same way, Sahaj Yogis and Sahaj Yoginis are brothers and sisters. You have to understand that you are brothers and sisters, and the relationship between us has to be purer and purer and purer. There should be no choice going on between brothers and sisters. But, if somebody has a feeling for someone from the very beginning, not like a sister, then a relationship can be established. Or somebody sees someone for the first time, not as a Sahaj Yogini, but is shown as a bride or something, then it’s a different point. But if the person has been a Sahaj Yogi and a Sahaj Yogini, let this feeling grow within you of complete purity. It will clear out many of our problems and you will be amazed, our attention will settle down very beautifully within us. I’ll give you a very wonderful story from the history of India. Once Alexander the Great invaded India, and he was a very powerful man. He came up to a place where there was one king called as Puru, who arrested him. When King Puru arrested him he put him in the jail. But the wife of Alexander was an Indian lady and he did not know, Puru did not know, that she was an Indian lady. But Indian lady as she was, very clever, and she knew the traditions of the family. That was the day, what is today, is of Rakshabandhan. So when King Puru came to the courts, in one little plate, a brass plate or a silver plate, she sent one rakhi and covered it with a proper cloth and sent it to him. So when on that day the rakhi came you cannot refuse it. So he asked, “Who has sent this?”. They said, “It’s one of your adopted sisters has sent it.” You are not to refuse that relationship. And when he opened it he found a rakhi there. So the rakhi was tied to him. He said, “Who is this sister of mine?” So they said, “She is the wife of Alexander.” He was so upset with that idea that, “He is my brother-in-law and I have put him in the jail.” He went there. He said, “Sir, please forgive me. I am sorry!” He prostrated himself before Alexander. He said, “Come along now to the courts.” He took him, he said, “You sit on my throne. I’m sorry for whatever I’ve done. You do whatever you please. You can take my this thing.” And he couldn’t understand what had happened. He thought, “He’s gone mad or what?” Then with great pomp and show he sent him home with all the jewellery and everything and with all the things for the sister whom he had never seen before. So when he went in, the wife was smiling. He said, “What’s the matter? How am I here? I can’t understand. What have you done?” He said, “What do you have in your hand?” So she said, “This is the rakhi, I have got.” He said, “What did you do?” She said, “I just sent a rakhi like this to this Alexander. Did you see in his hand?” “Yes,” he said, “it was tied on his hand.” “So that’s it!” He said, “What? For this he left me? I would devour this country completely!” She said, “Yes, he has left you because that’s the symbol of sisterhood. Sisterhood is a very powerful relationship. He cannot cross that! There are maryadas. You cannot cross that relationship.” If a sister is before you, you just stop there. That’s a maryada. You cannot go beyond it. And then Alexander just thought, “Look at these people! On a thread they are going to release a man like me who is so dangerous? What sort of people are they?” He just bowed to the soil of India and he said, “Oh Lord, please, I cannot do anything anywhere here.” He returned back from Karachi and he said, “I am not going to rule this country anymore. It is too much, they are too sensitive people for me to do.” But in the society we have to know that you can only enjoy if you have one wife: really. Your society can enjoy better and you can enjoy a better life if you have only one wife whom you love and she loves you. Now, what we see in modern societies today is that even after marriage, even having ten children, the old men are going searching for their brides. It’s such a wasteful energy. It’s such a boring stuff. It’s an absolutely joyless nonsense. So, let us settle down today, and decide among ourselves that we have to establish our Left Vishuddhi by understanding the purity of brothers and sisters. The purity of brothers and sisters has to be established. Now, today is the day when, in India, we had a function held where people tied rakhi to someone, to someone whom they found to be a sister. And still now, it’s now ten years have passed to those things, but that day they will call the sister. Then sister comes, she ties the rakhi, and the brother has to give some sweet present to her. And the sister makes some nice things for him to eat and everybody is very happy. Even the wife is very happy at such a thing. Because if the husband does not have a sister, how will she enjoy her married life with her husband? Because he’ll be always having bad eyes towards other women. This sister teaches you to put your attention in such a way that you automatically become righteous. Now, when we extend our righteousness, when we see...I mean, to me, when I came first - I came a long time back, as I told you - when I saw the women dressed the way they are, I was amazed! What are these women doing? They are writing ‘Welcome’. And like prostitutes just attracting men. Horrible it was! I just couldn’t understand how have they lost their character. Just like pornography walking on the streets! It’s ugliness. And, I was vomiting all the time, oh vomiting. I was so sick. I just couldn’t understand what are these women doing here! And this is the sense of chastity the women must have first. We cannot put the responsibility on men. The way women move about, the way they behave, the way they are all the time...Here I was surprised that, men will button their coats if they see a lady and the lady will open her clothes. I mean, just the other way round it should be. What is there in a man’s body to hide? But a woman has to be respectable. If she has no respectability, she has no business to complain for all these things there are going on like rapes and all sorts of filth and dirt. As Sahaj Yogis I would request you to pay attention to this side of your society, which is very important: how women in their foolishness are becoming slaves to the caprices of men. In their esteem and glory they should stand, and must know that chastity is their power. If a woman does not have a chastity and a dignity of chastity, why do they have rape business? Rape absolutely should be acceptable to us. It should be just absolutely just like going to the bathrooms. What is wrong in it? But that sense has to be born when you have a brother. And when you know what a brother is, then you will know that: would you like to do this before your brother? To walk on the roads in this manner? To walk on the streets like cheap women? For Sahaj Yoginis it doesn’t behove! Sahaj Yoginis have to be dignified. There are so many dignified dresses in this country, I don’t know where have they vanished. I don’t know what has happened to them. Now the way women walk here, I think from the dictionary the words like ‘prostitutes’ and all that will vanish completely! Though it may sound very out-of-date, but it is the most modern and ultra-modern thought, if you give it a thought to it. It will create an atmosphere for you in which you’ll feel extremely secured. Now, take the modern disease women have of breast cancer. You know that breast cancer is caused because of the centre heart problem, as you see there. Now centre heart is caused to a woman when she sees her husband is having those adulterous eyes as Christ has described. That starts working, she feels insecure all the time with a man like that, you see. She’s walking hand in hand but inside this insecurity is building up. All women who suffer from such subconscious worries and subconscious fears, suffer from breast cancers. So, those women who walk about [dressed scantily] like that are adding to it. Now those women who walk about like this also are losing Ganesha’s blessings completely according to Sahaj Yoga. Because you are just trying to be nothing but prostitutes, just think of it! And this is one thing I have been thinking of saying, and today is the most auspicious day that I have said to you in such clear words. So please understand that you have to respect your chastity. And men have to respect women as sisters, and not as every woman is for them, for their use. That’s how they are reducing the value of their mothers and their sisters. And in the country where the women are not respectable, no gods are going to remain. That’s why all these horrible things are happening in this country and in the countries which are taking to this kind of life. These horrible things are working out in such a manner that you cannot imagine what satanic forces are working it. Prostitutes who have died are coming back as spirits, they are possessing you. All sorts of sly and filthy women who are not to enter into the thresholds of the temples of households, are entering into your household because you have accepted their way of life. And the only thing they say is, “What’s wrong?”. The depth of it is to understand, it is the greatest cause of today’s malignancy: not only physical, not only emotional, not only moral, but social malignancy. You just see. It’s very subtle. I know you are so many realised-souls, you can understand it. You go to somebody’s house to have a relationship with them, to talk to them, to be free with them. This is what is collectivity, isn’t it? You go into a group of people where you want to have absolute free behaviour with them: like children you want to play, talk to them, in a simple manner. You cannot do it if you have such an obsession, you cannot: your eyes will be fixed on one or two persons; you’ll be running after one or two persons. Even in music, I have seen, people cannot enjoy their music because their attention is moving here and there for nonsensical things. It’s a very subtle thing: try to understand. It’s [that] by which your collectivity is killed. That’s why people here are so frantic. Anybody comes they close the door. They are so afraid of other people. They do not want to talk to anyone, they do not want to have anything with them because they don’t know what sort of attack is going to come. And the worst attack is this social attack, of which they are frightened. Today being this day, I would say that you should ask for strength to rise above all these nonsensical ideas which have settled down and become those beautiful people, the special ones, the unique people, who respect their chastity and that of their sisters. Let this feeling grow, create health and wealth in this country. And there are so many types of things which one can say: Lakshmi and Vishnu were married, and the sister of Vishnu was Parvati, the one who is the Mahakali. And Vishnu was a royal person, because He is in the centre. He was like a king. While Mahadeva, the Shankara, was a person who lived like an ascetic, didn’t bother about anything. He used to only rub those chandan and all those things on the faces, and His vahana is a big bull, and He’s not very well-covered, His body. And He lives like an ascetic. You can call Him a hippie! All right. (Laughter) And, while She comes from a royal family and She’s feeling very shy that, “Look at this! My husband is such a fellow coming on that horrible thing! And His disciples have one eye or they have one horn or they have a tail coming out from here.” You know, all kinds of things He has gathered, as I have gathered also sometimes! And then She’s feeling very shy and She thinks, “Oh, God! Now what are my people going to say and what are they going to do?” So She prays. She says, “Please, Vishnu,” She says, “Please let me see what is Your position to my husband!” And She finds that Vishnu is washing the feet of Shiva. I mean, just see, just feel it, how beautiful it is, how beautiful it sounds! You see, because, “He is the husband of my sister,” and He says that, “Even all the wealth of my being, if I give You as the dowry oh my sister, how can I adorn this ascetic, the King of Kings?” And the whole conversation is so beautiful, the brother and sister talking to each other. But She’s feeling shy and He’s trying to tell Her. You see, all these beauties are lost because the whole thing becomes a sex point! All the manifestations and the sublimation of these things are lost. Now, I would tell you today, because today is the day I don’t want to talk about all the Kundalini thing. But one thing about Kundalini I have to tell you: what is the way to bring forth this things. Like when a child is born in the family – as you know Gavin [Brown] has got a little girl and Peter [Pierce] has a little son. The child is allowed to sleep, should be allowed to sleep, with everyone in the family, with the brother, sisters, everyone. That is the time that the innocence is complete. And they then touch those sublime areas within them which makes them enjoy that sublimity all their lives. But if you make the child from the very beginning conscious that he should not sleep with this one and sleep with that. And, “If you sleep with that…” and “Don’t sleep with a boy!” and, “You don’t sleep with a woman!” and all that, they’ll start thinking, “What do we do? What is the matter with these people?” You see. They just don’t understand. And then ideas start crawling into them and funny things come up. The places where they have taken so much care and given so much training and all that, you find it’s so perverted! While the places where they don’t talk about it, it is perfect, they live naturally, nobody does these things. And then under these circumstances, when you develop that sublimity within, you enjoy your chastity; to such an extent that it becomes even more important than your life. Like in India, there was a case when a very beautiful queen, Padmavati - was Padmini. She was known all over for her beauty and dignity. The beauty doesn’t mean like Elisabeth Taylor’s style. It’s a different type. Now, this lady was a wife of a king and a Muslim emperor said that, “I want to see this lady.” So they said, “All right, you can see her, there’s no harm in seeing.” But she said, “No! Why does he want to see me? He wants to see with bad eyes. So at the most if he has to see me, he can see me only in a mirror. I will not directly face him, because that’s a question of my chastity. He can look at my reflection but not at my body.” So she stood and he saw her in the mirror. Instead of feeling the sublimity of that chaste woman, he felt that he must get that woman. And he said that, “Somehow or other I must have the woman. If you don’t give me this woman then I am going to just finish you off. I am going to kill you, all of you!” Now they did not know what to do and they were not such a big kingdom and he was such a ferocious man. Now what to do? So, then they said, “We cannot do this, to send our queen to this man. This is against our manliness,” because that sense of chastity, of saving the chastity of women was there. So they sent a message that, “We are bringing the queen to you.” And they made a hundred palanquins. In the hundred palanquins they put a hundred sepoys inside and the king sat in the first one, and four people were carrying each palanquin. In the palanquin were the arms and ammunitions. And they thus walked into the military camps that were just pitched for this [meeting]. And they had told these women that, “In case we lose, then you will see no signs from us. In the morning, if you see about five o’clock, a big fire then know that we have won.” And when this emperor, he drank a lot and he came to the queen and opened the door, first his hand was cut and everybody started fighting. And a big fighting began. They fought to their last but they lost because they were very few in number. They lost it. So, these women were looking out for a thing and when they found that there is no sign they made a huge, big pyre on a fortress, all of them, and they made a big, huge fire on that pyre and got into it and killed themselves, before anybody could touch them. There have been many such stories. But this comes only if you have a sense of chastity. If you do not have the sense of chastity you will think, “This is foolishness, why should they kill [themselves]?” Because nothing dies. This body doesn’t die. But if you become unchaste, you are ruined. You have no respect for yourself then. So we have to, today, think that we have to lead a life of very good brothers and sisters, with all of affection and love. From India all the people have written to me. They have sent their best wishes to you. And they send their love to you. They have remembered all of you by name and everything. They are very happy about the marriages that took place. And they are very much anxious to receive you in India. They said, “Whatever is possible in our small way we’ll attend to you and look after you. But this day we all remember you, because we are your brothers and sisters.” And they have also sent it to Australian people and to some Americans and to other people like Gregoire and all that. So all of them are today thinking of you, all you brothers... (break in recording) ...which really has ruined our society, ruined our families, ruined our children and has ruined our sources of joys. So, today you have to think about it how we are going to re-establish it. Now, when I talk about these things you shouldn’t think that India is perfect. Indians can be quite horrid on another side of it, which you are not. They are different type of people. So, when I have to talk to them, I’ll talk to them something else. But with you, I have to request you to think about it and to put your attention to it. And you will be amazed - when you will know about it - how much a chastity of a woman is important and graceful and energy-giving to her and to the whole society, to her own brother, to her own father, mother and everyone, to her children; because she is the one, really, who is the Shakti. And if she starts frittering away her Shakti like this then the Shakti of the whole community, the whole country, disappears. And that is why all the gurus, right from Adi Nath or you can say, Adi Guru, up to Moses and Abraham and Mohammed Sahib and all these people have been so particular on this point that even Mohammed Sahib said, “Supposing there are too many women then you can marry four times.” It doesn’t mean that every Muslim should marry. But it was meaning that there were too many women in those days. So he said, “All right, but marry them!” Once we start understanding then our relationships with each other, with the Nature, with everything, straightens out and we get into a complete, full picture of ourselves - how we are related to others. There is no confusion about things. And this confusion can be removed with a little help. I have seen that, when I tell you these stories sometimes, people feel that this might be a legend. It’s not. Even today you might find such people all around. There are people, but they suffer a lot, because they cannot get any appreciation or understanding. They are regarded as bad people or useless people. But now, among us, when we are in a group, we can form a very strong personality, if we have that pure relationship, that purity within us. And that is something very, very important. We had another very great example in India of a queen which always has enamoured me very much. And that was when she was an ordinary girl and there was a prince with whom she met and the prince fell in love with her. But Akbar did not want – the father, Akbar, who was the emperor, did not want the boy to marry an ordinary girl. So he sent her away, he married her to another man. And he sent her away and gave her a big place, a big area to rule. When this Akbar died, the son got the throne and at that time there was a war on and her husband was killed in that war. And she thought that, “This man has killed my husband on purpose to acquire me.” He brought her, the emperor brought her. Now, he was the Emperor of India, her [future] husband was the Emperor of India. He brought her back from her place and he offered her that, “I would like to make you the queen, the empress.” She said, “If you are under any misapprehension, please know that I cannot marry the man who has killed my husband.” He tried his level best to explain, but she would not take any explanation, she would not listen to anything. She said nothing. She went into a forest, took a hermitage, she was living there, and she would not meet anyone. Now, this prince took it very seriously and he got very sick. And then the doctor said that, “Unless and until he marries this girl he cannot be saved.” So, the mother was another lady called as Jodha Bai. I mean, Akbar had married a Hindu lady. She said, “All right, I’ll solve the problem!” So, she went to this forest and started serving this lady, like and ordinary maid servant. After some time this lady said that, “What do you want? Why have you come to me?” She said, “No, I want you to promise me something. Will you give me that?” She said, “Yes, if I can.” “Yes, you can give me”. She said, “I want you to marry my son.” Now, she went there as an ordinary woman, a maid servant. She said, “Yes, I am willing to marry your son, if you think so. Because I have given you a word, I will marry your son.” And that turned out to be this Jahangir and his wife was Nur Jahan. What a character it is! Then she married him, because she had given her word. But what a character! Just think of that character! What a character it was, to be like that. Another story I would like to tell you today - because today is a very auspicious day and we should talk of stories and laughter and enjoyment - [is] that we had another very great king in Maharashtra called as Shivaji. And he was a king who was like Robin Hood because he was trying to oppose these Muslim emperors who were dominating India. And the people who were his soldiers and things, they would go and attack people from the emperor’s side and would plunder them just like Robin Hood: take all their properties and things and bring it to Shivaji. Once it so happened that a daughter-in-law of a Moghul courtesan, you can say, or a man, who was like a duke or something was going that way; the daughter-in-law. And many people were with her. And she had lots of her jewellery and everything was going with her. The treasury was very large. So, they plundered her and brought all the treasury and everything and plundered that lady and brought her to Shivaji. Now, Shivaji was sitting there and she had covered her face with a veil. So, he said, “Please, lift your veil.” Now, before the king she can’t say anything, so she lifted her veil. He said – see, the beauty of it. I don’t know if you can feel the subtleness of it. I mean, whenever I remember the words, really it fills me with such joy. He said, “If my mother was as beautiful as you are I would have been equally beautiful.”See the expression. That means, “You are my sister.’ “If my mother was as beautiful as you are I would have been equally beautiful.’ He took all the treasury and everything and forbid them, that, “Don’t touch women. The moment you touch them you’ll be ruined. It’s not holiness.” And he sent away all her treasury, everything, all her people with all great respect and complete release of all things that she had. He didn’t keep even a farthing out of her. But he gave his own things to her as a sister and he said that, “You can always recall on me, wherever there is a problem. I am your brother.” What a great thing it was! Just think of it! Now, these relations are disappearing; which are to live again, to prosper again and to grow again and thus we are going to improve our Left Vishuddhi. Left Vishuddhi comes out of guilt. But in the subconscious the greatest guilt in a human being is when he crosses the limits of sisterhood. This is the greatest guilt in his mind, which he is not aware [of]. If you could clear out that guilt completely. Left Vishuddhi is only in the West, I find. I have told you many a times. Now, all other guilts are built up on that particular guilt. Like feeling guilty about something happening in Vietnam. Actually it is just shifting your mind from one to another. Actually, the guilt is this. In the very subtle way this is the guilt: that at every woman you have looked with lusty eyes - is the guilt. And that guilt builds up and gives you another picture because you do not want to accept the reality, so it gives you another picture, “Oh, I am guilty about that. I feel very guilty about the poor people.” In Switzerland they told Me, “Mother, we feel guilty about the poor people.” I said, “How much have you donated out of your money? Have you even reduced your one bottle of whiskey per day? What have you sacrificed that you are feeling guilty?” So, this is what it is. And this is because we are here placed with this deep problem in the society. It is for us to remove it from our Left Vishuddhi. And then you’ll be amazed, if you have a Left Vishuddhi, you cannot even smile properly. There’s no childlike smile. It becomes very funny. When people smile also sometimes, I feel they’re crying. You can’t understand if they are smiling or crying, you know, it’s very difficult. Somebody was smiling and I was telling the person, “Don’t cry, don’t cry, please, please,” and the person looked at me! The cheerfulness, which is so pure just like flowers, cannot come up with your Left Vishuddhi. So, do not build it up. Now, finished, is finished. Now, forget about the past. Now, do not go onto the past. If you go to the past, you go to the Left Vishuddhi. And you’ll be amazed most of the baddhas go and settle down into Left Vishuddhis, you have seen that. Anything you do, first of all it goes to the Left Vishuddhi. And who stays there is the sister of Shri Krishna, who was sacrificed to save the life of Shri Krishna, which is another long, long story, which will take too much time. So, I’ll tell you about it some time later on. Now, those who have come for the first time, for them it was quite an entertaining story today because it was a festival day; doesn’t matter! Even if you have come for the first time, it’s nice to know about some things which are very important and vital for life. Now, righteousness after Realisation becomes a need, because you start getting the pain here all the time. The hand is always here: one hand towards me and another here; is a common picture. It’s a common picture, you see. I see here, slowly I find somebody’s hand is going like this. (Laughter) If there is a scarf they would like to do it. It’s a very common picture I see. So, I would say that, if we can basically purify ourselves. And today try to find a brother for yourself, a real brother for whom you feel. Now, the Indian Sahaj Yogis have sent me three rakhis. This was by somebody else, but three of them, which is another very poetical situation. Modi has written that, “You are the protection for all of us. And what do we do to put this onto You? And what are we doing it?” So, they said that, “All the sisters of Sahaj Yogis are sending this to be tied on all the brothers of Sahaj Yoginis who are in Your wrist.” And that’s how they have sent three – of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati – three things which I will ask one of the children to come and do it; because it is the work of a small little child. Where are they playing? Just call them, they are needed here. May God bless you! Now, some boy has to come and do it. For the people who have come for the first time they have to know that Sahaj Yoga is the yoga which is the only yoga where you become one with your Spirit. It’s the union with the Spirit. There’s no other way out. It’s the awakening of the Kundalini, which enlightens your attention with the light of the Spirit. And other things that people think of – that we can put in an effort or we can work it out, that is not a proper method. Because it is a living process, it’s an evolutionary process. You have evolved in such a manner that you have become... Sit down here. All right, come and tie it, right, just see. You have to tie it on my left hand. Not a complete knot, but a half knot. You know how to make it? Like this. All right? Yes. Like a bow. Can you make it? Like a bow. Chaya, can you come and tell them? Like a bow you have to do it. All right. Just now you tie it like that as it is, then I will do it later on. Child: Yes, we can do it now. Shri Mataji:You know? You know? That’s good! Like a bow you tie. Yes, great, yeah. It’s all right. Great! That’s it! Keep it out. It’s all right. If you do it one bow it’s all right. All right. That’s all right.
8/27/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=19812	Feel that urge to grow	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	49	“Feel that urge to grow!”, Final talk in Dollis Hill Ashram, London (uk) Shri Mataji: When did you come back? Yogi: I am here some of the time but I still have to do things in Exeter. Shri Mataji: He goes back? Is it? Yogi: I have to go back so often for work. I should be free of it soon Mother. Yogini: He has to go back so often but he’ll be free soon Mother. Shri Mataji: Alright. Yogi: I owe money, you see, down there Mother. Yogini: He says he earns money down there Mother Shri Mataji: Is it? Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: I see. You sing there? Yogi: Yeah, but I also owe some money and I have to pay it and until I pay it I’m not really free of it. Yogini: Ah, he owes money Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. Money seems to be the problem everywhere and it can be very sapping and it can be very funny. Perhaps you do not know that we are just playing into the hands of lots of negative forces in this country and we are doing lots of things which are really against the Divine, and the curses, everybody will have to suffer. We really have to understand our responsibility. Whatever you people are, Sahaja Yogis are, people are going to reap the benefit of God. If they are suffering, you are responsible for it - hundred percent. One has to understand that. If you are quarrelling amongst yourselves, there will be a problem of quarrelling in the country. You are the symbols for God. He knows you and whenever you are negative you are actually helping the Satan. And it’s a very sad day I must say. Everybody seems to be very much high handed and - I am not saying about Steve, Steve is not yet into this - but we have had big, bad problems here in this ashram and it’s horrible things have happened. I have never had such an experience in India, which is a poor country. Never such a thing! I mean, it’s the first time I have seen such a thing happening! First of all we all must get properly employed. You must have your self-respect force you to have a job. You all must try to get a job. This I have been telling for the last six years, if you remember. We cannot be parasites and could be Sahaja Yogis - cannot be. Everybody must find out a job for oneself. Do whatever you please, but you must do some job. Imagine in India people spend money on you people! I have never had any problem whatsoever to solve of this kind, in India - never! You know that very well. And when I am so strict with them, thinking they are Indians, that all the money that they have gathered in Bombay or in Delhi, or any place, is clamped, completely closed. And nobody can take a single pie (1/192 rupee) out of that without my permission! Absolutely I have told the banks. And nobody is unhappy about it. Not a single pie! But when we go, they make collections and whatever money they collect, every pie of that is written down clearly. First of all they give all that money to me, then I give that money to them to spend. And every single pie that they spend they write it down. I may or may not read - is not the point. And whatever is left out, every single pie of that is put on my feet. I may put to any use or anything - that’s a different point. I may not even take it - that’s a different point. But every pie! Nobody is without a job. This parasitic nature of any other country may be excused but not of England. In England you cannot be a parasite because, I told you, that the heart of the universe is here, and if anything happens, you all will be held responsible. Now you are going to another ashram (Chelsham Road) and you are going to stay there. Ashram is not a place for a luxurious life, not at all, or lethargy and laziness or for making money or living free! It’s absurd! It’s sinful, it’s blasphemy. That’s the place where you go to develop your inner being with all truthfulness to yourself. Before Realisation this was alright, every way, but after Realisation you have to be very, very careful. It’s a tremendous thing to have Awakening, it’s a tremendous thing to have Realisation, it is, no doubt, but to maintain it, you must have, first of all, personal integrity. If you are bent upon deceiving yourself nobody can help you. In Sahaja Yoga, as you know, there is no fees, nothing. It’s for your gain. It’s for your good. It’s a short term policy to be something nonsensical. One must think of the long term policy. It’s for your good. If we have to go higher and higher, we have to be truthful to ourselves. I know everything about everyone, but what’s the use? You have know about yourself. And this may be very dangerous, you must understand, because we are placed at a very precarious time now. Because of that you are getting Realisation because it’s very emergent - there’s a great emergency. Thousands of them have to get Realisation, no doubt. But at this time one has to also understand the dangers of the atmosphere. Because of so many things that have happened in this ashram, I cannot account for anything. I just can’t understand it in Sahaja Yoga. Such people should not stay in the ashram at all, they should get out of it. Everybody cannot stay in the ashram. You must be prepared to face yourself. Absolutely, there’s no doubt about it. I love you very much and I have great concern about you, but the sort of things we are doing we are just like primitive people here. Simple things we cannot do - is to be honest to ourselves. What are we going to do? We have to give salvation to the whole world. How can we do it? Just tell me? I am sorry for all that is happening but now, with a new vow and with a new understanding, we have to go to the other ashram. Obedience is very important, humility is very important. We have to go still further. Anybody who is obstinate by nature should not stay in an ashram! Anybody who is arrogant or aggressive should never come to the ashram. Any sarcasm and all that is nonsense for an ashram: it brings a bad name to the ashram. Any kind of extravagance is not needed. It’s a place of ascetics; people who have detached their life. Detachment doesn’t mean going to extremes, standing on your heads and behaving in a funny manner on the street carrying my photograph in the hand! It doesn’t mean that nonsense. It’s absolutely normal behaviour but inside the attention has to be drawn inside. Anybody who is intelligent can understand that Sahaja Yoga is a tremendously fantastic thing and one should not take it for granted. It’s very, very, sometimes, disheartening, very disheartening, the way still the interest of the people is more into some things which are absolutely worthless and useless. Your attention has to be cleared out, then only this attention which is enlightened, is going to enjoy the Spirit. And, as we were discussing the smog: like the smog, the whole being becomes darkened and black. It’s not nice for me, as a Mother, to say all these things, it really kills me. I really feel very hurt. But I must tell you the headaches [that] London Sahaja Yogis and English Sahaja Yogis have given me, as nobody has given me such headaches. I have worked hardest in this place. It’s very, very sad. You should read the letter from a girl from Australia and a letter from a girl from Switzerland. I just met her once - I gave her Realisation - but look at them, how beautiful they are! I mean just see it (Mother is opening a letter). And when I get really concerned about you I just read these letters. So truthful! There’s not only the praise and all that nonsense, it’s the truth. I mean, there you can feel the vibrations are coming from these letters only. What’s the use of writing to me something which you are not? Now, you have to take a decision. Even if you are only two persons in Sahaja Yoga I don’t mind. I don’t want people who are not truthful; who want to compromise with nonsense and falsehood. Please, be truthful. You cannot say that I worked any less. I have spared no effort at all. But I am very sad today. The whole thing will fritter away. Sometimes I feel that Sahaja Yoga is not suited to you people at all, the way the things are. It’s so beautiful outside. You can’t imagine how people are nice. Are you going to waste all my energies? It’s not even the normal way people behave here. It’s most surprising! I have told you that after Realisation you become really vulnerable and you have to be careful. Now [regarding] marriages I would like to say something. Is he come? Tony [Paniotou] Is he there? He didn’t come. Marriages are not to be treated like that the marriages you have been treating! This is something important! You are married for a plan and the plan is to get very high souls into you. They are to be born on this earth. They wanted good parents, that’s why I arranged this marriage system here. And all of you are giving me headaches! Even that fellow Rustom, who I took to India, he is giving me headache even today! God knows [if] he’s in India or not. People don’t know where he has disappeared! I mean, just like vagabonds or criminals! This is criminality, I think, the way people are behaving. I have never said these things to you but when the whole thing comes up I just don’t know what to say! You have no understanding of the whole thing. Or have I chosen absolutely rotten stuff for my work in England? You have no depth, no understanding of any kind. So childishly and immaturely you are handling your marriages. There’s no respect for each other. Marriage is an institution of a great value; specially, I thought, if it is done in a Sahaja way. I just can’t understand - how can you think of the same things that you would do without being Realised? You fight, you quarrel, you are so petty! How can you behave like that? You are supposed to be the pillars. If these are the pillars, I don’t know about the future. I’m really very sad today, really very sad - in every angle. Even I have heard that people don’t know even how to keep the bathrooms clean. Now am I to teach you how to keep bathrooms? You are putting big lemons in the bathrooms and WCs and loos? What is this? Have you gone off your heads? Are you small children? Or what am I to do now with you? Why are you doing like this? Are you all possessed? What has happened? Restrictions you have to put upon yourself, with your own freedom and understanding and intelligence. I am not going to tell you to do this or do that. That’s a different style. You have got the Realisation so easily, in a simple way. All over the world people have got Realisation. In Australia there are three hundred people who have got Realisation. You don’t know how to use your loo? I mean what sort of a level it is that I have to deal with? Just tell me. Even my little grandchild knows how to do it. What’s the matter? There is no place for lazy people in Sahaja Yoga. You all get out of these ideas. You want to laze out? You can get out! And those who want to make money out of Sahaja Yoga, get out please! I don’t want to see their faces again. Anybody who is supposed to be working for Sahaja Yoga has to work outside. There’s no place for lazy lumps! You get out of Sahaja Yog completely! I don’t want to see your faces again here! It’s my love that has ruined you? Or what has happened? It’s too much love for you I believe. Is it that? Somebody starts thinking he’s a big guru teaching others. Nonsense! Hundred times I have told you: there is nothing like segmentation in Sahaja Yog. You all are just my children, all of them, and you are not to do this way: to put somebody down and bring somebody else up, make chelas (disciples) and things like that. Why don’t you start some gurudom yourself and make some money outside? You will do very well! Is this the way to treat me? What have I done to deserve all this? Because I have loved you so much so you should take me for granted and do all these things for me? Not working out your Realisation, not going ahead, nothing of the kind; except for fighting amongst yourselves and misbehaving! Everybody thinks they are very clever and intelligent. It’s better to have less intelligent people who understand God and goodness and righteousness in life. You have to wed yourself to righteousness. This is not another gurudom going on here. Even if there are two Sahaja Yogis or one Sahaja Yogi in London it’s sufficient for me. I don’t want a quantity of thousands of horrible, synthetic personalities. I can work on one person all my life and I’ll be happy. Even the candle understands me. You have seen even the fire understands me. You should not take God for granted. I am telling you again and again; and Divine for granted. You have to become something. You have to grow up. I think I have done my level best. I cannot do better that way. I may disappear to India and I’ll go away. That’s the best for you people: you fight with each other, break each other’s necks or plunder each other’s money and live with that! That’s what it is. Just imagine how I must be feeling to say all these things to you whom I have loved with all my heart, with all my concern, with all my time, everything. You’ve made me so miserable, I tell you! You will take a vow, you’ll do this and then least bothered! You can live with it! You are compromising all the time with all the cunning that is within. You think I don’t understand the cunning? But you are cheating yourselves! You have to be righteous. Sahaja Yoga is not outside, it is inside! It is not standing on your heads and doing things like that, it is inside, the growth inside. You will lose all your vibrations in no time. But that’s a dangerous thing to happen. How do you permit such things? Also I hold them responsible [those] who permitted these things. Why did you permit in the ashram [that] these things were happening? Why didn’t you find out? All this kind of high-handedness and all that - how did you permit it? Why did you permit it? Why didn’t you tell me? I mean, I have to be bothered about money and these things? Is it? Is that my purpose of life and work and mission? Or you have reduced me to that? It’s very sad. I think I’ll have to fast for a week for your cleansing, that’s the only way things are going to work out, because you don’t want to cleanse yourself. Only when Mataji is facing you you think by vibrations you know. What about your own growth? I knew there was something brewing up but I didn’t pay attention to it. I thought that you, yourself, will realise and come to it and you will have your own understanding. Everything seems to be mechanical. Everything seems to be outward. There’s nothing inside. Sahaja Yoga is not a joke - you cannot make it. You have to love each other truthfully. And anybody who does any mistake has to get out of Sahaj Yog. It’s all deliberate. Because I had told you that you will be possessed. Be careful! It’s nice to put everything in the name of a Satanic forces working on us! Then if you going to live with the guidance of others it’s better you stay with them permanently and go with them wherever they are going. If you do not have your own personality and you cannot think for yourself it’s better you be out. Those who really want to come up should come to Sahaja Yoga otherwise there is no need to do it. If I have spared in any way you can tell me that. I think I have not sighed for years now and the time has come for you to sigh and sit and that’s what it is. It’s very sad. There are people who write to me. You can see from their letters how much they are doing for others, how beautiful they are. I don’t know when am I going to get that quality in this country. You have to mature, you have to face yourself. If you do not mature in proper time you will be rotting on the street. You will be just wasted - useless. You will be just like other people. There’s no difference between you and others then. You have to mature in proper time at the right time. I have really started doubting myself now, that I am no good for you people. You need a stronger hand and a sterner person who will handle you better. I have been hearing from people who came for the first time and they told me something about someone and something about someone and all that. But I said, “They have come just now, they cannot understand.” But no! It exists. And if you have any of such things within you, even a slightest hatred within you can create a Hitler in this world. You are the people who are going to create a Hitler or God’s world. It’s your desire. You have to cleanse your hearts completely, completely. Cleanse yourself. It’s not [that] you are possessed. Just think it over. It’s your own weaknesses and you think that you can get away with it. You cannot get away with anything I tell you. God’s laws and statutes are very strict. That’s why all the gurus are so strict with their disciples; extremely strict. Those who are real gurus, I am saying, those who are not making money. Of course, those who are making money will always pamper you. But those who are not making money, who are true gurus, are very strict. Mostly they throw stones at their disciples. But I gave you flowers and you gave me stones! That is the best! It’s everything is only tongue deep, nothing more! Nothing goes in the heart, that’s why. If you feel it from the heart, the need to grow, then you will forget all these things. If you feel your Spirit you will feel that need, that urge, to grow. Only your ego or superego is manifesting, not your Spirit. If I say something, the best way to run away from it is to feel bad about it. The second best would be to feel guilty about it. But just detach yourself and become your Spirit and think what have you been doing to yourself. Actually you are harming yourself every minute! You cannot harm me, you cannot harm Sahaj Yog, these are all eternal things. They are eternal, they cannot be harmed, they cannot be crucified, they cannot be killed, but you are covering your Spirit with darkness. I have never seen such things happening so far. I mean, I have worked even in East Africa, all over, but never, never such things. This is demonic I don’t know how you can explain it. I didn’t know you were not keeping any accounts. I had no idea. I had no idea at all [that] you were keeping no accounts. I had no idea that money was taken from others and everybody coming here was paying and nobody knew what was paid, who was paid, who was not paying. Nothing is known! I mean, I thought at least that much you can manage among yourselves. And you know me, I am so particular about, if you spend any money on me, how much I am anxious to pay you back - every single pie. If I have forgotten I don’t know, but if I have not. I try to remember every single pie if you spend. I mean, you are supposed to spend for your guru, but I do not want you to spend a single pie on me! And if you spend I want to pay it back more than what you have spent. Nobody does this way. And I remember ten times that it should be paid. Telling false accounts and false things. I mean, I just can’t understand how can Sahaja Yogis do it. Now, I wouldn’t be surprised if they take to drinking or smoking or something. I mean, anything is possible under the sun. I mean, if you can do such depraved things, you can do anything! After all you are free! This abandonment at this time is very dangerous. I had told you that, when the saints fall they go very deep down, very deep down. So be careful: you are all saints now. Understand that, realise it. Assume your powers. Assume your seats, your thrones, and don’t behave like beggars on the street or criminals. There is no excuse for such people. No excuse at all. Do not try to find excuses! There were so many people yesterday who were not Sahaja Yogis and I didn’t want to say there, in their presence yesterday these things. But I came to know about these horrible things which happened and I was amazed! Everything should be in the open in Sahaja Yoga, I have told you a hundred times; not to hide anything. Accounts, everything should be written down. You will be amazed, when I go to India, you will see, even Rahuri, it’s a village where there are people paying £5, £10. They make a book, when I go there, at my feet. They leave it with me for one day that, “Mother please see it. You must see it. At least glance.” I mean, imagine! These are uneducated, simple village folks and they understand. Even my servant! My servant has so much sense! He’s so honest. No Sahaja Yogi should ever marry a Sahaja Yogini. Better stop all that seeking. And now this nonsense has started now, working out. As it is the problem of money management is horrible and then if you start like this there cannot be, no more, any yogi left! It’s better to marry outside than to marry a Sahaja Yogi and Sahaja Yogini. As if the bhoots go into geometrical progression when they marry and they become so horrid and ugly; if there was a saint to be born he’ll run away! Only the bhoots and the rakshasas will be born to these people! That’s what I can see. The way they talk and the way they behave it’s so funny. I can’t believe it that they are the same Sahaja Yogis who were married the other day! (the marriage of Tony Paniotou and Dawn whom Mother married on 4 July 1980) Every pie that is spent now has to be shown to me because you do not count all those. No money should be borrowed from each other! Not a single pie. Everything that is financial, you have to tell me. Everything that you are doing in the name of Sahaja Yoga you have to tell me or in the group of Sahaja Yogis you must tell. You’d better not do anything on your own. Then you will be blessed. “Yoga kshema Vahamyaham” First yoga. First yoga. Achieve your yoga! All your problems will be solved. I promise you. First achieve your yoga. You have seen so many people. It has happened with so many. You know Regis’ case as you have seen. He could not get through his PhD. I only blessed his thesis. I didn’t even read! Nothing of the kind. Next day he became a Dr! I mean, there are so many cases, thousand and one, you can see it, where yoga has helped. But yoga must be achieved and maintained and respected. If you are not a yogi why should God bless you? For what? Why should he bless you? Then the kshema also changes it’s form. There’s a lady who has written to me from Australia. She wrote to me, “My grandmother is very sick Mother and I don’t know what to do. And I want that she should be helped.” And she wanted to do some operation or something but she was so much better that they did not operate her. But she had to go on a nursing home and there was no reservation, nothing; suddenly she got a call that there’s suddenly a reservation for you and you come. I mean, this is one of the smallest things that can happen. Yoga is to be established on two points. The sin against the Mother and the sin against the Father. Sin against the Mother is when you do not look after your chastity. Your attention has to be pure and purer and purest. And the sin against the Father is when you try to make money here and there: cut corners and try to save money and run after money and worry about it. Any such enterprise, any such thing: underhand dealings, high hand dealings, anything like that, is the sin against the Father. You are the people who have started believing, also, that money is not important. So, according to them, if you make some frauds it doesn’t matter, “After all money is not important so what?” And they have reached such conclusions. But in the name of God, to take a single pie is a sin. In the same way, to mishandle even a single pie while dealing with God - be careful, I am telling you! And grace cannot help you there! And this is a very sensitive point. For you it may not be, but for God it is. Those who make money in the name of God are equally bad [as] those who try to do anything to hide money. It’s just the same. This is the work of God and you have to be pure people, you have to be clean, beautiful, loving people, like children. Christ has said that you have to be like children to be able to enter into the Kingdom of God. But you have entered and you’ll be thrown back! There is more attention towards gaining more power, like saying mantras after mantras, this, that, just to gain power. What power is this? The power is of innocence and of purity. There is no other power higher than this - of simple innocence and purity. And you know that from me. An innocent person can never be harmed. Try to be humble and ask for innocence to be re-established within you. A cunning man goes a very little way to his doom, very fast. If somebody cheats you it does not matter but if you cheat someone, you will be doubly punished because you are a yogi, you are wearing the banner of God. Try to remember this. I do not think you should…. (recording ends)	null	null	null	“Feel that urge to grow!”, Final talk in Dollis Hill Ashram, London (uk) Shri Mataji: When did you come back? Yogi: I am here some of the time but I still have to do things in Exeter. Shri Mataji: He goes back? Is it? Yogi: I have to go back so often for work. I should be free of it soon Mother. Yogini: He has to go back so often but he’ll be free soon Mother. Shri Mataji: Alright. Yogi: I owe money, you see, down there Mother. Yogini: He says he earns money down there Mother Shri Mataji: Is it? Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: I see. You sing there? Yogi: Yeah, but I also owe some money and I have to pay it and until I pay it I’m not really free of it. Yogini: Ah, he owes money Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. Money seems to be the problem everywhere and it can be very sapping and it can be very funny. Perhaps you do not know that we are just playing into the hands of lots of negative forces in this country and we are doing lots of things which are really against the Divine, and the curses, everybody will have to suffer. We really have to understand our responsibility. Whatever you people are, Sahaja Yogis are, people are going to reap the benefit of God. If they are suffering, you are responsible for it - hundred percent. One has to understand that. If you are quarrelling amongst yourselves, there will be a problem of quarrelling in the country. You are the symbols for God. He knows you and whenever you are negative you are actually helping the Satan. And it’s a very sad day I must say. Everybody seems to be very much high handed and - I am not saying about Steve, Steve is not yet into this - but we have had big, bad problems here in this ashram and it’s horrible things have happened. I have never had such an experience in India, which is a poor country. Never such a thing! I mean, it’s the first time I have seen such a thing happening! First of all we all must get properly employed. You must have your self-respect force you to have a job. You all must try to get a job. This I have been telling for the last six years, if you remember. We cannot be parasites and could be Sahaja Yogis - cannot be. Everybody must find out a job for oneself. Do whatever you please, but you must do some job. Imagine in India people spend money on you people! I have never had any problem whatsoever to solve of this kind, in India - never! You know that very well. And when I am so strict with them, thinking they are Indians, that all the money that they have gathered in Bombay or in Delhi, or any place, is clamped, completely closed. And nobody can take a single pie (1/192 rupee) out of that without my permission! Absolutely I have told the banks. And nobody is unhappy about it. Not a single pie! But when we go, they make collections and whatever money they collect, every pie of that is written down clearly. First of all they give all that money to me, then I give that money to them to spend. And every single pie that they spend they write it down. I may or may not read - is not the point. And whatever is left out, every single pie of that is put on my feet. I may put to any use or anything - that’s a different point. I may not even take it - that’s a different point. But every pie! Nobody is without a job. This parasitic nature of any other country may be excused but not of England. In England you cannot be a parasite because, I told you, that the heart of the universe is here, and if anything happens, you all will be held responsible. Now you are going to another ashram (Chelsham Road) and you are going to stay there. Ashram is not a place for a luxurious life, not at all, or lethargy and laziness or for making money or living free! It’s absurd! It’s sinful, it’s blasphemy. That’s the place where you go to develop your inner being with all truthfulness to yourself. Before Realisation this was alright, every way, but after Realisation you have to be very, very careful. It’s a tremendous thing to have Awakening, it’s a tremendous thing to have Realisation, it is, no doubt, but to maintain it, you must have, first of all, personal integrity. If you are bent upon deceiving yourself nobody can help you. In Sahaja Yoga, as you know, there is no fees, nothing. It’s for your gain. It’s for your good. It’s a short term policy to be something nonsensical. One must think of the long term policy. It’s for your good. If we have to go higher and higher, we have to be truthful to ourselves. I know everything about everyone, but what’s the use? You have know about yourself. And this may be very dangerous, you must understand, because we are placed at a very precarious time now. Because of that you are getting Realisation because it’s very emergent - there’s a great emergency. Thousands of them have to get Realisation, no doubt. But at this time one has to also understand the dangers of the atmosphere. Because of so many things that have happened in this ashram, I cannot account for anything. I just can’t understand it in Sahaja Yoga. Such people should not stay in the ashram at all, they should get out of it. Everybody cannot stay in the ashram. You must be prepared to face yourself. Absolutely, there’s no doubt about it. I love you very much and I have great concern about you, but the sort of things we are doing we are just like primitive people here. Simple things we cannot do - is to be honest to ourselves. What are we going to do? We have to give salvation to the whole world. How can we do it? Just tell me? I am sorry for all that is happening but now, with a new vow and with a new understanding, we have to go to the other ashram. Obedience is very important, humility is very important. We have to go still further. Anybody who is obstinate by nature should not stay in an ashram! Anybody who is arrogant or aggressive should never come to the ashram. Any sarcasm and all that is nonsense for an ashram: it brings a bad name to the ashram. Any kind of extravagance is not needed. It’s a place of ascetics; people who have detached their life. Detachment doesn’t mean going to extremes, standing on your heads and behaving in a funny manner on the street carrying my photograph in the hand! It doesn’t mean that nonsense. It’s absolutely normal behaviour but inside the attention has to be drawn inside. Anybody who is intelligent can understand that Sahaja Yoga is a tremendously fantastic thing and one should not take it for granted. It’s very, very, sometimes, disheartening, very disheartening, the way still the interest of the people is more into some things which are absolutely worthless and useless. Your attention has to be cleared out, then only this attention which is enlightened, is going to enjoy the Spirit. And, as we were discussing the smog: like the smog, the whole being becomes darkened and black. It’s not nice for me, as a Mother, to say all these things, it really kills me. I really feel very hurt. But I must tell you the headaches [that] London Sahaja Yogis and English Sahaja Yogis have given me, as nobody has given me such headaches. I have worked hardest in this place. It’s very, very sad. You should read the letter from a girl from Australia and a letter from a girl from Switzerland. I just met her once - I gave her Realisation - but look at them, how beautiful they are! I mean just see it (Mother is opening a letter). And when I get really concerned about you I just read these letters. So truthful! There’s not only the praise and all that nonsense, it’s the truth. I mean, there you can feel the vibrations are coming from these letters only. What’s the use of writing to me something which you are not? Now, you have to take a decision. Even if you are only two persons in Sahaja Yoga I don’t mind. I don’t want people who are not truthful; who want to compromise with nonsense and falsehood. Please, be truthful. You cannot say that I worked any less. I have spared no effort at all. But I am very sad today. The whole thing will fritter away. Sometimes I feel that Sahaja Yoga is not suited to you people at all, the way the things are. It’s so beautiful outside. You can’t imagine how people are nice. Are you going to waste all my energies? It’s not even the normal way people behave here. It’s most surprising! I have told you that after Realisation you become really vulnerable and you have to be careful. Now [regarding] marriages I would like to say something. Is he come? Tony [Paniotou] Is he there? He didn’t come. Marriages are not to be treated like that the marriages you have been treating! This is something important! You are married for a plan and the plan is to get very high souls into you. They are to be born on this earth. They wanted good parents, that’s why I arranged this marriage system here. And all of you are giving me headaches! Even that fellow Rustom, who I took to India, he is giving me headache even today! God knows [if] he’s in India or not. People don’t know where he has disappeared! I mean, just like vagabonds or criminals! This is criminality, I think, the way people are behaving. I have never said these things to you but when the whole thing comes up I just don’t know what to say! You have no understanding of the whole thing. Or have I chosen absolutely rotten stuff for my work in England? You have no depth, no understanding of any kind. So childishly and immaturely you are handling your marriages. There’s no respect for each other. Marriage is an institution of a great value; specially, I thought, if it is done in a Sahaja way. I just can’t understand - how can you think of the same things that you would do without being Realised? You fight, you quarrel, you are so petty! How can you behave like that? You are supposed to be the pillars. If these are the pillars, I don’t know about the future. I’m really very sad today, really very sad - in every angle. Even I have heard that people don’t know even how to keep the bathrooms clean. Now am I to teach you how to keep bathrooms? You are putting big lemons in the bathrooms and WCs and loos? What is this? Have you gone off your heads? Are you small children? Or what am I to do now with you? Why are you doing like this? Are you all possessed? What has happened? Restrictions you have to put upon yourself, with your own freedom and understanding and intelligence. I am not going to tell you to do this or do that. That’s a different style. You have got the Realisation so easily, in a simple way. All over the world people have got Realisation. In Australia there are three hundred people who have got Realisation. You don’t know how to use your loo? I mean what sort of a level it is that I have to deal with? Just tell me. Even my little grandchild knows how to do it. What’s the matter? There is no place for lazy people in Sahaja Yoga. You all get out of these ideas. You want to laze out? You can get out! And those who want to make money out of Sahaja Yoga, get out please! I don’t want to see their faces again. Anybody who is supposed to be working for Sahaja Yoga has to work outside. There’s no place for lazy lumps! You get out of Sahaja Yog completely! I don’t want to see your faces again here! It’s my love that has ruined you? Or what has happened? It’s too much love for you I believe. Is it that? Somebody starts thinking he’s a big guru teaching others. Nonsense! Hundred times I have told you: there is nothing like segmentation in Sahaja Yog. You all are just my children, all of them, and you are not to do this way: to put somebody down and bring somebody else up, make chelas (disciples) and things like that. Why don’t you start some gurudom yourself and make some money outside? You will do very well! Is this the way to treat me? What have I done to deserve all this? Because I have loved you so much so you should take me for granted and do all these things for me? Not working out your Realisation, not going ahead, nothing of the kind; except for fighting amongst yourselves and misbehaving! Everybody thinks they are very clever and intelligent. It’s better to have less intelligent people who understand God and goodness and righteousness in life. You have to wed yourself to righteousness. This is not another gurudom going on here. Even if there are two Sahaja Yogis or one Sahaja Yogi in London it’s sufficient for me. I don’t want a quantity of thousands of horrible, synthetic personalities. I can work on one person all my life and I’ll be happy. Even the candle understands me. You have seen even the fire understands me. You should not take God for granted. I am telling you again and again; and Divine for granted. You have to become something. You have to grow up. I think I have done my level best. I cannot do better that way. I may disappear to India and I’ll go away. That’s the best for you people: you fight with each other, break each other’s necks or plunder each other’s money and live with that! That’s what it is. Just imagine how I must be feeling to say all these things to you whom I have loved with all my heart, with all my concern, with all my time, everything. You’ve made me so miserable, I tell you! You will take a vow, you’ll do this and then least bothered! You can live with it! You are compromising all the time with all the cunning that is within. You think I don’t understand the cunning? But you are cheating yourselves! You have to be righteous. Sahaja Yoga is not outside, it is inside! It is not standing on your heads and doing things like that, it is inside, the growth inside. You will lose all your vibrations in no time. But that’s a dangerous thing to happen. How do you permit such things? Also I hold them responsible [those] who permitted these things. Why did you permit in the ashram [that] these things were happening? Why didn’t you find out? All this kind of high-handedness and all that - how did you permit it? Why did you permit it? Why didn’t you tell me? I mean, I have to be bothered about money and these things? Is it? Is that my purpose of life and work and mission? Or you have reduced me to that? It’s very sad. I think I’ll have to fast for a week for your cleansing, that’s the only way things are going to work out, because you don’t want to cleanse yourself. Only when Mataji is facing you you think by vibrations you know. What about your own growth? I knew there was something brewing up but I didn’t pay attention to it. I thought that you, yourself, will realise and come to it and you will have your own understanding. Everything seems to be mechanical. Everything seems to be outward. There’s nothing inside. Sahaja Yoga is not a joke - you cannot make it. You have to love each other truthfully. And anybody who does any mistake has to get out of Sahaj Yog. It’s all deliberate. Because I had told you that you will be possessed. Be careful! It’s nice to put everything in the name of a Satanic forces working on us! Then if you going to live with the guidance of others it’s better you stay with them permanently and go with them wherever they are going. If you do not have your own personality and you cannot think for yourself it’s better you be out. Those who really want to come up should come to Sahaja Yoga otherwise there is no need to do it. If I have spared in any way you can tell me that. I think I have not sighed for years now and the time has come for you to sigh and sit and that’s what it is. It’s very sad. There are people who write to me. You can see from their letters how much they are doing for others, how beautiful they are. I don’t know when am I going to get that quality in this country. You have to mature, you have to face yourself. If you do not mature in proper time you will be rotting on the street. You will be just wasted - useless. You will be just like other people. There’s no difference between you and others then. You have to mature in proper time at the right time. I have really started doubting myself now, that I am no good for you people. You need a stronger hand and a sterner person who will handle you better. I have been hearing from people who came for the first time and they told me something about someone and something about someone and all that. But I said, “They have come just now, they cannot understand.” But no! It exists. And if you have any of such things within you, even a slightest hatred within you can create a Hitler in this world. You are the people who are going to create a Hitler or God’s world. It’s your desire. You have to cleanse your hearts completely, completely. Cleanse yourself. It’s not [that] you are possessed. Just think it over. It’s your own weaknesses and you think that you can get away with it. You cannot get away with anything I tell you. God’s laws and statutes are very strict. That’s why all the gurus are so strict with their disciples; extremely strict. Those who are real gurus, I am saying, those who are not making money. Of course, those who are making money will always pamper you. But those who are not making money, who are true gurus, are very strict. Mostly they throw stones at their disciples. But I gave you flowers and you gave me stones! That is the best! It’s everything is only tongue deep, nothing more! Nothing goes in the heart, that’s why. If you feel it from the heart, the need to grow, then you will forget all these things. If you feel your Spirit you will feel that need, that urge, to grow. Only your ego or superego is manifesting, not your Spirit. If I say something, the best way to run away from it is to feel bad about it. The second best would be to feel guilty about it. But just detach yourself and become your Spirit and think what have you been doing to yourself. Actually you are harming yourself every minute! You cannot harm me, you cannot harm Sahaj Yog, these are all eternal things. They are eternal, they cannot be harmed, they cannot be crucified, they cannot be killed, but you are covering your Spirit with darkness. I have never seen such things happening so far. I mean, I have worked even in East Africa, all over, but never, never such things. This is demonic I don’t know how you can explain it. I didn’t know you were not keeping any accounts. I had no idea. I had no idea at all [that] you were keeping no accounts. I had no idea that money was taken from others and everybody coming here was paying and nobody knew what was paid, who was paid, who was not paying. Nothing is known! I mean, I thought at least that much you can manage among yourselves. And you know me, I am so particular about, if you spend any money on me, how much I am anxious to pay you back - every single pie. If I have forgotten I don’t know, but if I have not. I try to remember every single pie if you spend. I mean, you are supposed to spend for your guru, but I do not want you to spend a single pie on me! And if you spend I want to pay it back more than what you have spent. Nobody does this way. And I remember ten times that it should be paid. Telling false accounts and false things. I mean, I just can’t understand how can Sahaja Yogis do it. Now, I wouldn’t be surprised if they take to drinking or smoking or something. I mean, anything is possible under the sun. I mean, if you can do such depraved things, you can do anything! After all you are free! This abandonment at this time is very dangerous. I had told you that, when the saints fall they go very deep down, very deep down. So be careful: you are all saints now. Understand that, realise it. Assume your powers. Assume your seats, your thrones, and don’t behave like beggars on the street or criminals. There is no excuse for such people. No excuse at all. Do not try to find excuses! There were so many people yesterday who were not Sahaja Yogis and I didn’t want to say there, in their presence yesterday these things. But I came to know about these horrible things which happened and I was amazed! Everything should be in the open in Sahaja Yoga, I have told you a hundred times; not to hide anything. Accounts, everything should be written down. You will be amazed, when I go to India, you will see, even Rahuri, it’s a village where there are people paying £5, £10. They make a book, when I go there, at my feet. They leave it with me for one day that, “Mother please see it. You must see it. At least glance.” I mean, imagine! These are uneducated, simple village folks and they understand. Even my servant! My servant has so much sense! He’s so honest. No Sahaja Yogi should ever marry a Sahaja Yogini. Better stop all that seeking. And now this nonsense has started now, working out. As it is the problem of money management is horrible and then if you start like this there cannot be, no more, any yogi left! It’s better to marry outside than to marry a Sahaja Yogi and Sahaja Yogini. As if the bhoots go into geometrical progression when they marry and they become so horrid and ugly; if there was a saint to be born he’ll run away! Only the bhoots and the rakshasas will be born to these people! That’s what I can see. The way they talk and the way they behave it’s so funny. I can’t believe it that they are the same Sahaja Yogis who were married the other day! (the marriage of Tony Paniotou and Dawn whom Mother married on 4 July 1980) Every pie that is spent now has to be shown to me because you do not count all those. No money should be borrowed from each other! Not a single pie. Everything that is financial, you have to tell me. Everything that you are doing in the name of Sahaja Yoga you have to tell me or in the group of Sahaja Yogis you must tell. You’d better not do anything on your own. Then you will be blessed. “Yoga kshema Vahamyaham” First yoga. First yoga. Achieve your yoga! All your problems will be solved. I promise you. First achieve your yoga. You have seen so many people. It has happened with so many. You know Regis’ case as you have seen. He could not get through his PhD. I only blessed his thesis. I didn’t even read! Nothing of the kind. Next day he became a Dr! I mean, there are so many cases, thousand and one, you can see it, where yoga has helped. But yoga must be achieved and maintained and respected. If you are not a yogi why should God bless you? For what? Why should he bless you? Then the kshema also changes it’s form. There’s a lady who has written to me from Australia. She wrote to me, “My grandmother is very sick Mother and I don’t know what to do. And I want that she should be helped.” And she wanted to do some operation or something but she was so much better that they did not operate her. But she had to go on a nursing home and there was no reservation, nothing; suddenly she got a call that there’s suddenly a reservation for you and you come. I mean, this is one of the smallest things that can happen. Yoga is to be established on two points. The sin against the Mother and the sin against the Father. Sin against the Mother is when you do not look after your chastity. Your attention has to be pure and purer and purest. And the sin against the Father is when you try to make money here and there: cut corners and try to save money and run after money and worry about it. Any such enterprise, any such thing: underhand dealings, high hand dealings, anything like that, is the sin against the Father. You are the people who have started believing, also, that money is not important. So, according to them, if you make some frauds it doesn’t matter, “After all money is not important so what?” And they have reached such conclusions. But in the name of God, to take a single pie is a sin. In the same way, to mishandle even a single pie while dealing with God - be careful, I am telling you! And grace cannot help you there! And this is a very sensitive point. For you it may not be, but for God it is. Those who make money in the name of God are equally bad [as] those who try to do anything to hide money. It’s just the same. This is the work of God and you have to be pure people, you have to be clean, beautiful, loving people, like children. Christ has said that you have to be like children to be able to enter into the Kingdom of God. But you have entered and you’ll be thrown back! There is more attention towards gaining more power, like saying mantras after mantras, this, that, just to gain power. What power is this? The power is of innocence and of purity. There is no other power higher than this - of simple innocence and purity. And you know that from me. An innocent person can never be harmed. Try to be humble and ask for innocence to be re-established within you. A cunning man goes a very little way to his doom, very fast. If somebody cheats you it does not matter but if you cheat someone, you will be doubly punished because you are a yogi, you are wearing the banner of God. Try to remember this. I do not think you should…. (recording ends)
9/1/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6715	We Have To Get Our Yoga	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	38	“We Have To Get Our Yoga,” Caxton Hall, London (UK), 1 September 1980. I have been always telling you that Sahaj Yoga is the sprouting of your seed within you. When the seed is dormant you cannot visualise the maps it has in it of all the creations it is going to create. Out of one seed, how many trees have grown, how many fruits have come out and how many seeds are coming out and how many they are going to produce. You cannot understand how dynamic it is. There has been talk about the Spirit within you. Many have said that the Spirit is to be brought into our conscious mind. We have to achieve our Spirit. We have to get our Yoga – the Union with God. When they said it, they meant it to be done, not to be just talked about. But as everything goes to waste much more than it is utilised, all these descriptions of the Self to be achieved - how, when - everything got lost because they started just talking about it. People like to intellectualise everything, they do not want to imbibe it. Just to talk big about something, their ego gets pampered, they'll stand up and give big lectures on Gita and all those things, but they have no idea as to what Gita wants you to do: it wants you to find out the Truth, it wants you to get your Realisation, to have your yoga established. You have to be born again, you have to be christened as they said, you have to be baptised. But the difference between the reality and unreality is such that we think if we talk about it, we have done it. This is the illusion, the Mahamaya. We live with it and we carry on with it, we are very happy with it because it means you do not have to face any reality. You can live with unreal life. But you cannot even live with unreal life, can you? That is not going to give you joy. With unreality you are not going to be satisfied. You are not going to get your joy, you are not going to get your meaning and you are going to discard yourself as a useless thing, unless and until you find out why you are here. So everybody wants to find out in a way but honestly, but on a slippery ground He wants to find out the reality on one side; on the other side the slippery ground is always taking him away from the Reality. The struggle is on, within us. You have to just keep yourself on the ground, not allow yourself to be slipped out into any extreme behaviour for anything whatsoever. Just be there – it works out. But we are extremists, in everything we go to extremes. Just now today I was discussing capitalism, democracy and communism. Abraham Lincoln was a realised-soul, no doubt; he had his vision of democracy. But he could not fulfil it because others were not realised-souls they could not come up to his vision and they could not imbibe these things within them. They just praised him. He's their hero. They'll make a statue out of him, garland him, write books on him, but nothing of Abraham Lincoln goes into their being, nothing. They do not follow him in the way he lived his life. They'll call them ‘Lincolnists’ or something like that. Some sort of a “ism” they'll put to that. They will try to possess him, brand him into something, but not try to imbibe him into themselves. Then, Lenin was a realised-soul, too, as I told you, he was a realised-soul. He had a vision of collectivity, very proper vision he had. But he found that people are going to fail him. He cannot do it. So he had to, he shifted into another, he drifted. Anywhere you find a person who's a realised-soul, in his own way he has made contribution. I'll say Shakespeare the other day I went to…Now, Shakespeare was a very great realised-soul, no doubt about it. His contribution is so beautiful, but people do not see it. They have no eyes to see what he's trying to show. Say we saw Hamlet. Hamlet is what? Is nothing but he's trying to show the futility of every nonsense we do. First of all a man killing another king. Then the woman running after that man. Because the father is killed the father comes to the boy and compels him that you should take revenge. He taking revenge. One little girl, innocent girl, madly loving that fellow. I mean, the whole life is made into something so small. The mother's life, she has no esteem, she thinks that by loving this man she is the last word. So she can kill her husband. The husband, so-called the second husband, he thinks by killing this man and getting this woman, he achieves the last. Then the third person is this poor son, who gets the ghost to tell him that “this has happened.” The ghost himself should die and go away from this world and live where he is. But he comes back and tells him that, “You take the revenge.” He is not interested in his [son’s] Spirit, in his well-being, the father also. Now the son takes a tip and he goes on hating. He gets into this of destroy. He wants to destroy this man. In that destruction he kills the father of that little girl – his fiancee – and the girl also dies, she also becomes mad. Everybody becomes mad. Even Hamlet becomes mad. What does he show, you see? I call him Shakespeare, an avadhuta. Avadhuta is a person who's beyond. He's a person who's not an incarnation. Incarnation comes on this earth, plays with you, lives with you, acts like you, goes with you into all kinds of moods and things you live with, and tries to help you on that level. The incarnation can come down very little. They do not. They keep themselves there. And what do they show? The futility, the futility of this kind of a nonsensical life people are leading. This is what he tried to show in Hamlet. Now, how many people who read Hamlet understand this point that the futility of even taking the revenge on his mother or the fellow who killed his father was there? It's so evident. All those emotions to which we pay so much importance and make it so much identified with your whole life, are nothing but wasteful and futile things, we are wasting our energy. So he puts a drama before you. “See, this drama is a play. See now.” Now what happens, you become Hamlet if you see that. You become one of the persons. If you see that drama you'll become Hamlet. Immediately you start thinking, “How many revenges I have to take?” You'll make a list of people. You immediately become Hamlet. You do not become Shakespeare, you become Hamlet. “And now how many people have I to hurt? How many revenges have I to take? Which is the way I should do? Should I play a drama the way he played?” Or you can even become the lady. You can even become the person who killed, you can become anything, instead of becoming the person who has created it. That's how we live in unreality in our life all the time. Instead of imbibing Christ's life within our life, we find another drama, we play with that drama and identify ourselves with that drama. This drama is going to keep you in that dramatic condition all the time. Reality is to finish the drama, to know that it is a drama. We are not part and parcel of that. This is what is the Real state of the mind. Unless and until that is achieved, you are not going to be happy, you are not going to be satisfied, you are not going to be your Self, you are not going to find out your meaning. This is what Sahaj Yoga is, that a happening takes place within you, the Kundalini rises within you. She passes through all these various centres and gives you that, what we call the Self-realisation, by enlightening your consciousness with the Spirit. If seed is the Spirit, then Kundalini is the water that pours on it its grace and manifests it in our consciousness. It is manifested by itself, but not in our consciousness. So our consciousness and our attention becomes one with that. This is how the things work out. One has to know that God has created you. You have not created yourself. He has made you human beings from amoeba stage. He has brought you to this level and He's going to give you the Ultimate. He's going to do it for you. It's His job. It's not your job. Now in a case like that when you think that there is – say first case is we can take of people who believe in social injustice sort of going on. What should we do in social injustice? Which is the greatest force? Which is the greatest power on this earth? The one which manages all the other powers is the power of God. Today as the time is, achieve that power and then work it out through that power and not through your intellectual power, which will create problems for you. Any social injustice, if you work it out on your level, will never reach its successful stage. It will be just falling short of its achievement. Everything has gone wrong because of that. The power that controls the whole Universe, every part of it, every particle of it, every atom of it, is the power which is called as Divine Power of God. That is the power of God's Love. In His love He bestows all that is beautiful to you and removes all that is ugly in you. For that He may have to sometimes even kill you. He may have to even destroy. It's His power. It's not your power to destroy anyone. You have no right to destroy anyone. It is His power to destroy you. Please put your hands like this and sit quietly. Don't make noises and things in Sahaj Yoga. You see, all these things which these gurus have done to you and you are really ruined by them. That happening takes place within yourself and not outside. All these ideas come to us again from the same myth that we can achieve our Realisation, we can stand on our heads, we can breathe fast, we can breathe less. How can it be? I mean, everything these things are done by animals and by every person. How can you do it? You cannot do anything to achieve your Self-realisation. This must be accepted with complete humility. It's also God's job. Everything He does. Only thing what you have to do is to merge into His Power and then you can tell Him whatever you like because then you become His Power and you can work it out. But anything external that you are doing now before Realisation has no meaning. When the power flows through you, then you can manoeuvre it, then you can organise it, you can work it out. First of all, achieve your Spirit. Then allow it to manifest itself within you, fully establish it. After full establishment, then you work it out. There is no hanky-panky about it, one should know. And you cannot befool anyone. It's something that has to happen within you. We are deceiving ourself. Do not do that. We do not want to waste our lives. We are not going to make ourselves so low as to destroy this being which is just there to manifest. All those things that we worry about, say our personal things and natural things and this and that and that and that, you cannot help it out; you cannot cure it. Unless and until you are a realised-soul you cannot help it and that, too, a realised-soul in a very collective way. If you are collectively realised you can do it; otherwise, you cannot do it. The whole emancipation and the whole great work of bringing humanity into the kingdom of God is only possible if you all get your Realisation fully established. Now, after Realisation also I received a telephone call today from someone that, “Mother, that day I got Realisation all my worries went away, I got completely relaxed and the cool breeze started coming into my hand. I felt very much better. But now gradually again the tension is mounting up. Is my Self-realisation temporary?” Self-realisation is not temporary but you are temporary. How much attention have you paid to yourself? For example, some guest is coming to your house and you close the doors to him, will he come to you begging of you? If he comes inside also you do not give it a proper eminence as the position is. The Spirit is the highest and if you do not give it the highest position, that my Spirit is the highest and I must pay full attention to my Spirit and you fritter away your attention on to other things, is he going to be there on your seat of heart? Is he going to be settled down there? How much attention have you paid to your Self-realisation? You have taken it for granted, and then what have you done about it? The Spirit won't be happy with one person. When the Spirit starts manifesting through you like light, it wants that it should be put on a higher place from where everybody could see and get their Spirit. It wants its company. It seeks its collectivity. If it is not there it is going to run away. If you cannot enjoy the love of other Sahaj Yogis you are not going to achieve anything. Now in this country of yours, I must say, we had a variety of Sahaj Yogis which is something such a great drama for me also to see. And the varieties and varieties I have seen in the West I have never seen them before, specially in England because they are very cosmopolitan and international. Now the lowest level of Sahaj Yogis are there who think that they can exploit Sahaj Yoga to such an extent, I mean, they are such low types that you cannot imagine. They go to, say, a program in the ashram. Then they eat food, that's all – not even pay for it. I mean, that level we have. There are many who never just pay their money. Can you imagine? Of that level we have people who go to the ashram where they make others pay for their food. Just they want to go there. Here you are paying for a wretched guru, who came the other day, and gave him a Rolls Royce as a present. Do you know that? Who is well-known, that he is a swindler, he's made money and all that, out of hypnotism. People starve themselves, beg, borrowed and gave money to him to buy a Rolls Royce. And here is Sahaj Yoga which gets all kinds of lepers. One of them is this kind – I think this is the worst of all – and this kind of people should not expect much in Sahaj Yoga. It's better they leave and go away. They cannot rise: of this level of people who think that they can go to a place and eat the food and do not even pay, and make others pay. I mean, this is too much, I can't even understand such people. I mean, these are not human-beings. Must be some worms born here or some parasites. Then the second kind are, there are some people who do not know that you have to work for Sahaj Yoga. You have to work for others. You are not going to die if you are working for others. You are not to judge that what others are working. If I were to judge how much you are working, I would have given up absolutely long time back! See the disparity in My style of working and your style of working. You know that I work day-in and day-out. Nights together I keep awaken. I travel for miles together without any complaint. Today is the first day, perhaps, [that] I’m here now. After all, I have this physical body, and you know how much I have worked: working on single person for hours together and also we lose that person so many times. It's so disappointing and so frustrating. And you people are avoiding work. You want others to wash your dishes even. Why don't you wash the dishes of others for a change? What does it matter? You are not going to die. But this comes out of, all these things come out of ego. But what, from where the first one I don't know from where it comes that you don’t pay for your food. These people will never stick on to Sahaj Yoga unless and until they change themselves. One has to work very, very hard on yourself. Now the third type people, is to keep yourself cleansed. You have to work. You have to see what are your vibrations, how are you, what are your problems. You all have had problems you created for yourself. If you were beautiful flowers I would have done the job Myself. But no, you have really ruined yourself. So you have to clear out yourself. You have to work it out. You have to clear out yourself. You have to love yourself as you have to love others. Now you have to love yourself. Now come to that point. You have to respect yourself because this is now the temple of God. You are a realised-soul. You are a saint. Respect yourself, love yourself. How much I love you, in the same way you have to love yourself and care for your body, care for your mind, care for your Spirit, pay attention to your Spirit. “Is my Spirit happy with me? Am I doing what I should have done for my Spirit or am I doing something for my ego or for my superego or for saving some money out of my food?” All these things are to be seen within us. I am not saying it for others. I'm saying for individual persons to see what are our problems are. Now even those who are ardently believing into Sahaj Yoga and are going into it must know that they have had really big problems. I've never told but some of you are suffering from cancer which is settling in fast, and I’m worried about them. Some of you have serious physical problems which I have not told you. Some of you have very, very serious mental problems. You must see all those things. You must correct yourself. As I said, you must love yourself and understand that you are the saint. You cannot just play about with yourself and try to ruin it, just not paying any attention to yourself, just taking it easy. It's a precious trust you have with you, because your Spirit is enlightened, because you are the light for all the rest of the people of this world who are walking in the dark. Keep your light afloat, keep it clean. You are specially you are bestowed this. Upon you this great grace has fallen. All this beauty, are you going to waste it because your light is not shown through your dirty panels? We have to think about it and that's how once you come up at least this much then one can work with you. Face yourself as you are. You try to give explanations. Explanations are not wanted! Who wants explanations here? Whom are you giving? I am your Mother. I love you. What explanations are you giving? Even anything big happens to you, I will go out of the way to save you. Even if you beat Me, and murder Me still I love you. So what explanation can you give Me? No explanation is needed My children. It is what you do to yourself is the point I am concerned about you. What are you doing to yourself is the main point. And when you understand that, “Am I the most beautiful representative of Sahaj Yoga? Am I the person who can influence others with my light? Am I looking after my light?” It’s very easy to make out, you get your vibrations. Your vibrations are flowing if you are in light. There is the way of finding it out where you are. It's not like other gurus just taking money from you, and you are walking in the dark. If you know what chakras you are catching, where is the problem, what is happening to you, why it is happening, what are the deities, what mantra is to be said – everything you know – despite that, why is it that there is no progress and growth? Because you have no self-esteem, you have no love or you are not in the centre. Unless and until you are in the centre – that's what these avadhutas have done all throughout. They have tried to show that: Be in the centre. Why are you going to extremes? Leave it to God. Now, when it comes to that we are very clever to cheat ourselves. That’s intelligence. Leave it to God. So cleansing, you leave it to God, alright? That's what part you leave it to God, that God should clean us, that part is God's job. And what is your job? Then is to do, what will you do? If I ask then what are you supposed to do? If I have to do cleaning, I have to look after all your meditation, I have to put your Kundalini up, I have to keep it there hanging, and you have to pull that! That's your job. In every way possible if you try to pull down your Kundalini, how long is she going to be there? I'm giving you the extreme case but despite all that, Kundalini is your own Mother. I am much more spread out than She is. She's just localised within you, she loves you really! She loves you very much and She tells Me what's wrong with you, She asks for forgiveness for you. She wants Me to ? her child. She puts forward all the problems you have. She wants Me to work hard,.She works hard herself very much, day in and day out. Once she's awakened She has no sleep. Twenty-four hours she's working, She’s helping you, She’s guiding you, she's coordinating all the things that are needed for you. She brings all the blessings upon you to show that now you are awakened, you are growing, you are transforming, you are changing. “See, see for yourself. “She is the one who pierces the Sahasrara, and the whole Grace falls into you. Without Her piercing the Grace is also useless. Without Her awakening I'm useless. Without her help I cannot do anything. To such a Mother what homage do we pay? What do we do for Her to please Her? We should find out. She's pleased all the time, that doesn't mean that you take Her for granted. It is your duty, your gratitude which expands you. So to grow in the centre is to be in the centre, to see that you do not go to extremes. As I have told you that the things that are to be done by you should be done by you, and whatever are to be done by God will be done by God. The simple example is that when it comes to cleansing your personal things you leave it to God, but when it comes, say, to telling others something which will hurt them, you take it up upon yourself- which will show off your ego! We've had examples and examples of ego-oriented people – horrible people they were. They took up upon themselves Sahaj Yoga, they became the big like gurus and they started preaching. I'm so frightened in My lifetime if they are doing like this what is going to happen? Humble down yourself in your heart. There resides the Spirit of your being, of your attraction – attraction for the Divine, for God Almighty to be gracious on you, to be happy with you, and in Hindi language is to be prasanna is to be pleased with you. We say, “O God! Be gracious to us, be kind to us, bestow Your grace upon us and Your mercy upon us.” We ask in humility. He loves you. No one can love like Him, His love is dynamic. He is so Great that you cannot describe Him in words – just you can feel Him. But we should not be thorn for ourselves and for Him. We are problems for Him. We are creating problems for Him. We are not helping in any way. We are nothing but problems and problems for Him. A day will come [when] He will just recede from you. Give up your personal things, personal problems and think of the bigger problems for which you have to ask His grace. Do not start solving yourself those problems but ask for His grace and be humble, be humble in your heart. Be a witness of the whole thing, the absurdities into which you have driven into. Be a witness. As Hamlet has shown how he's ruined the family, his own and everybody's family. He was doing something right according to all human laws but not according to God's law. You have not to take the law into your hand, of God. God is going to. But, for collective things you have got courts and this and that. Let them work it out. You don't worry about those. You worry about your own punishments you want to bestow on a person. Do not do that. Let God punish them. Why do you want to do the dirty work of punishment? It's horrible. I mean, if I have to punish somebody I don't like it. I mean, it's a horrible thing to punish someone. Why do you want to do it? Do the beautiful, that is, love others. Loving is the most beautiful thing, is the most energy-giving. When you love others only that the love flows into you. Otherwise, why should love come into you? If you are not giving the light, why should light come to you? Love others as you love thyself but here thyself love itself is destructive. Christ never knew there are people like that who are all the time destructive to themselves. There are, in so many lectures I've suggested what is the special problems of the West is, and one of them is left Vishuddhi, and if you go to the subtlest of subtlest point where we are at Left Vishuddhi that we can always find out the injustice done to us and to others but not what injustice we are doing to others. To avoid that we say that [unclear]. Supposing I'm My child. Now I would take up the blame on [the family, what’s wrong with me [ unclear ] [because I would say both the thing] that I will tell you , “What am I to do to understand?” or else what second thing I will do is to feel guilty. “Oh! I know. I know I should not but I'm ?” And in this small thing we can see how we are deceiving our Self. The Self which is your light, the Self which is your meaning, the Self that is Sat-chit-anand. That's the one which is the Truth, which is the attention of God and which is the Joy, we are deceiving every ?. Better to be honest, face ourselves and put it right. May God bless you. Hain na, ho gaya na? Thik? Ha! There was nothing to worry. You are all right now, you got it. See, takes time, but comes up. You are all right now? See, it's all right. Nothing wrong now. You are all right. Takes time. Kundalini works out. Have faith. All those who have come for the first time, please close your eyes. Hm, aaj to bahut achcha hai, thik ho gaye naa? (Hindi: today is very good! Are you alright? ) Ha, Just close your eyes who have come for the first time. Put both the hands on your lap and feet on the ground, touching the ground. When the time comes, then only you get your Realisation. A little time has to be matured, you see, for every person though it's working out. You cannot say what time exactly a flower is going to become a fruit, can you? In the same way, it's a living process, it takes its own time and as a by-product it gives you all the other things. But how far you imbibe it and how far you go further with it is to be seen.	null	null	null	“We Have To Get Our Yoga,” Caxton Hall, London (UK), 1 September 1980. I have been always telling you that Sahaj Yoga is the sprouting of your seed within you. When the seed is dormant you cannot visualise the maps it has in it of all the creations it is going to create. Out of one seed, how many trees have grown, how many fruits have come out and how many seeds are coming out and how many they are going to produce. You cannot understand how dynamic it is. There has been talk about the Spirit within you. Many have said that the Spirit is to be brought into our conscious mind. We have to achieve our Spirit. We have to get our Yoga – the Union with God. When they said it, they meant it to be done, not to be just talked about. But as everything goes to waste much more than it is utilised, all these descriptions of the Self to be achieved - how, when - everything got lost because they started just talking about it. People like to intellectualise everything, they do not want to imbibe it. Just to talk big about something, their ego gets pampered, they'll stand up and give big lectures on Gita and all those things, but they have no idea as to what Gita wants you to do: it wants you to find out the Truth, it wants you to get your Realisation, to have your yoga established. You have to be born again, you have to be christened as they said, you have to be baptised. But the difference between the reality and unreality is such that we think if we talk about it, we have done it. This is the illusion, the Mahamaya. We live with it and we carry on with it, we are very happy with it because it means you do not have to face any reality. You can live with unreal life. But you cannot even live with unreal life, can you? That is not going to give you joy. With unreality you are not going to be satisfied. You are not going to get your joy, you are not going to get your meaning and you are going to discard yourself as a useless thing, unless and until you find out why you are here. So everybody wants to find out in a way but honestly, but on a slippery ground He wants to find out the reality on one side; on the other side the slippery ground is always taking him away from the Reality. The struggle is on, within us. You have to just keep yourself on the ground, not allow yourself to be slipped out into any extreme behaviour for anything whatsoever. Just be there – it works out. But we are extremists, in everything we go to extremes. Just now today I was discussing capitalism, democracy and communism. Abraham Lincoln was a realised-soul, no doubt; he had his vision of democracy. But he could not fulfil it because others were not realised-souls they could not come up to his vision and they could not imbibe these things within them. They just praised him. He's their hero. They'll make a statue out of him, garland him, write books on him, but nothing of Abraham Lincoln goes into their being, nothing. They do not follow him in the way he lived his life. They'll call them ‘Lincolnists’ or something like that. Some sort of a “ism” they'll put to that. They will try to possess him, brand him into something, but not try to imbibe him into themselves. Then, Lenin was a realised-soul, too, as I told you, he was a realised-soul. He had a vision of collectivity, very proper vision he had. But he found that people are going to fail him. He cannot do it. So he had to, he shifted into another, he drifted. Anywhere you find a person who's a realised-soul, in his own way he has made contribution. I'll say Shakespeare the other day I went to…Now, Shakespeare was a very great realised-soul, no doubt about it. His contribution is so beautiful, but people do not see it. They have no eyes to see what he's trying to show. Say we saw Hamlet. Hamlet is what? Is nothing but he's trying to show the futility of every nonsense we do. First of all a man killing another king. Then the woman running after that man. Because the father is killed the father comes to the boy and compels him that you should take revenge. He taking revenge. One little girl, innocent girl, madly loving that fellow. I mean, the whole life is made into something so small. The mother's life, she has no esteem, she thinks that by loving this man she is the last word. So she can kill her husband. The husband, so-called the second husband, he thinks by killing this man and getting this woman, he achieves the last. Then the third person is this poor son, who gets the ghost to tell him that “this has happened.” The ghost himself should die and go away from this world and live where he is. But he comes back and tells him that, “You take the revenge.” He is not interested in his [son’s] Spirit, in his well-being, the father also. Now the son takes a tip and he goes on hating. He gets into this of destroy. He wants to destroy this man. In that destruction he kills the father of that little girl – his fiancee – and the girl also dies, she also becomes mad. Everybody becomes mad. Even Hamlet becomes mad. What does he show, you see? I call him Shakespeare, an avadhuta. Avadhuta is a person who's beyond. He's a person who's not an incarnation. Incarnation comes on this earth, plays with you, lives with you, acts like you, goes with you into all kinds of moods and things you live with, and tries to help you on that level. The incarnation can come down very little. They do not. They keep themselves there. And what do they show? The futility, the futility of this kind of a nonsensical life people are leading. This is what he tried to show in Hamlet. Now, how many people who read Hamlet understand this point that the futility of even taking the revenge on his mother or the fellow who killed his father was there? It's so evident. All those emotions to which we pay so much importance and make it so much identified with your whole life, are nothing but wasteful and futile things, we are wasting our energy. So he puts a drama before you. “See, this drama is a play. See now.” Now what happens, you become Hamlet if you see that. You become one of the persons. If you see that drama you'll become Hamlet. Immediately you start thinking, “How many revenges I have to take?” You'll make a list of people. You immediately become Hamlet. You do not become Shakespeare, you become Hamlet. “And now how many people have I to hurt? How many revenges have I to take? Which is the way I should do? Should I play a drama the way he played?” Or you can even become the lady. You can even become the person who killed, you can become anything, instead of becoming the person who has created it. That's how we live in unreality in our life all the time. Instead of imbibing Christ's life within our life, we find another drama, we play with that drama and identify ourselves with that drama. This drama is going to keep you in that dramatic condition all the time. Reality is to finish the drama, to know that it is a drama. We are not part and parcel of that. This is what is the Real state of the mind. Unless and until that is achieved, you are not going to be happy, you are not going to be satisfied, you are not going to be your Self, you are not going to find out your meaning. This is what Sahaj Yoga is, that a happening takes place within you, the Kundalini rises within you. She passes through all these various centres and gives you that, what we call the Self-realisation, by enlightening your consciousness with the Spirit. If seed is the Spirit, then Kundalini is the water that pours on it its grace and manifests it in our consciousness. It is manifested by itself, but not in our consciousness. So our consciousness and our attention becomes one with that. This is how the things work out. One has to know that God has created you. You have not created yourself. He has made you human beings from amoeba stage. He has brought you to this level and He's going to give you the Ultimate. He's going to do it for you. It's His job. It's not your job. Now in a case like that when you think that there is – say first case is we can take of people who believe in social injustice sort of going on. What should we do in social injustice? Which is the greatest force? Which is the greatest power on this earth? The one which manages all the other powers is the power of God. Today as the time is, achieve that power and then work it out through that power and not through your intellectual power, which will create problems for you. Any social injustice, if you work it out on your level, will never reach its successful stage. It will be just falling short of its achievement. Everything has gone wrong because of that. The power that controls the whole Universe, every part of it, every particle of it, every atom of it, is the power which is called as Divine Power of God. That is the power of God's Love. In His love He bestows all that is beautiful to you and removes all that is ugly in you. For that He may have to sometimes even kill you. He may have to even destroy. It's His power. It's not your power to destroy anyone. You have no right to destroy anyone. It is His power to destroy you. Please put your hands like this and sit quietly. Don't make noises and things in Sahaj Yoga. You see, all these things which these gurus have done to you and you are really ruined by them. That happening takes place within yourself and not outside. All these ideas come to us again from the same myth that we can achieve our Realisation, we can stand on our heads, we can breathe fast, we can breathe less. How can it be? I mean, everything these things are done by animals and by every person. How can you do it? You cannot do anything to achieve your Self-realisation. This must be accepted with complete humility. It's also God's job. Everything He does. Only thing what you have to do is to merge into His Power and then you can tell Him whatever you like because then you become His Power and you can work it out. But anything external that you are doing now before Realisation has no meaning. When the power flows through you, then you can manoeuvre it, then you can organise it, you can work it out. First of all, achieve your Spirit. Then allow it to manifest itself within you, fully establish it. After full establishment, then you work it out. There is no hanky-panky about it, one should know. And you cannot befool anyone. It's something that has to happen within you. We are deceiving ourself. Do not do that. We do not want to waste our lives. We are not going to make ourselves so low as to destroy this being which is just there to manifest. All those things that we worry about, say our personal things and natural things and this and that and that and that, you cannot help it out; you cannot cure it. Unless and until you are a realised-soul you cannot help it and that, too, a realised-soul in a very collective way. If you are collectively realised you can do it; otherwise, you cannot do it. The whole emancipation and the whole great work of bringing humanity into the kingdom of God is only possible if you all get your Realisation fully established. Now, after Realisation also I received a telephone call today from someone that, “Mother, that day I got Realisation all my worries went away, I got completely relaxed and the cool breeze started coming into my hand. I felt very much better. But now gradually again the tension is mounting up. Is my Self-realisation temporary?” Self-realisation is not temporary but you are temporary. How much attention have you paid to yourself? For example, some guest is coming to your house and you close the doors to him, will he come to you begging of you? If he comes inside also you do not give it a proper eminence as the position is. The Spirit is the highest and if you do not give it the highest position, that my Spirit is the highest and I must pay full attention to my Spirit and you fritter away your attention on to other things, is he going to be there on your seat of heart? Is he going to be settled down there? How much attention have you paid to your Self-realisation? You have taken it for granted, and then what have you done about it? The Spirit won't be happy with one person. When the Spirit starts manifesting through you like light, it wants that it should be put on a higher place from where everybody could see and get their Spirit. It wants its company. It seeks its collectivity. If it is not there it is going to run away. If you cannot enjoy the love of other Sahaj Yogis you are not going to achieve anything. Now in this country of yours, I must say, we had a variety of Sahaj Yogis which is something such a great drama for me also to see. And the varieties and varieties I have seen in the West I have never seen them before, specially in England because they are very cosmopolitan and international. Now the lowest level of Sahaj Yogis are there who think that they can exploit Sahaj Yoga to such an extent, I mean, they are such low types that you cannot imagine. They go to, say, a program in the ashram. Then they eat food, that's all – not even pay for it. I mean, that level we have. There are many who never just pay their money. Can you imagine? Of that level we have people who go to the ashram where they make others pay for their food. Just they want to go there. Here you are paying for a wretched guru, who came the other day, and gave him a Rolls Royce as a present. Do you know that? Who is well-known, that he is a swindler, he's made money and all that, out of hypnotism. People starve themselves, beg, borrowed and gave money to him to buy a Rolls Royce. And here is Sahaj Yoga which gets all kinds of lepers. One of them is this kind – I think this is the worst of all – and this kind of people should not expect much in Sahaj Yoga. It's better they leave and go away. They cannot rise: of this level of people who think that they can go to a place and eat the food and do not even pay, and make others pay. I mean, this is too much, I can't even understand such people. I mean, these are not human-beings. Must be some worms born here or some parasites. Then the second kind are, there are some people who do not know that you have to work for Sahaj Yoga. You have to work for others. You are not going to die if you are working for others. You are not to judge that what others are working. If I were to judge how much you are working, I would have given up absolutely long time back! See the disparity in My style of working and your style of working. You know that I work day-in and day-out. Nights together I keep awaken. I travel for miles together without any complaint. Today is the first day, perhaps, [that] I’m here now. After all, I have this physical body, and you know how much I have worked: working on single person for hours together and also we lose that person so many times. It's so disappointing and so frustrating. And you people are avoiding work. You want others to wash your dishes even. Why don't you wash the dishes of others for a change? What does it matter? You are not going to die. But this comes out of, all these things come out of ego. But what, from where the first one I don't know from where it comes that you don’t pay for your food. These people will never stick on to Sahaj Yoga unless and until they change themselves. One has to work very, very hard on yourself. Now the third type people, is to keep yourself cleansed. You have to work. You have to see what are your vibrations, how are you, what are your problems. You all have had problems you created for yourself. If you were beautiful flowers I would have done the job Myself. But no, you have really ruined yourself. So you have to clear out yourself. You have to work it out. You have to clear out yourself. You have to love yourself as you have to love others. Now you have to love yourself. Now come to that point. You have to respect yourself because this is now the temple of God. You are a realised-soul. You are a saint. Respect yourself, love yourself. How much I love you, in the same way you have to love yourself and care for your body, care for your mind, care for your Spirit, pay attention to your Spirit. “Is my Spirit happy with me? Am I doing what I should have done for my Spirit or am I doing something for my ego or for my superego or for saving some money out of my food?” All these things are to be seen within us. I am not saying it for others. I'm saying for individual persons to see what are our problems are. Now even those who are ardently believing into Sahaj Yoga and are going into it must know that they have had really big problems. I've never told but some of you are suffering from cancer which is settling in fast, and I’m worried about them. Some of you have serious physical problems which I have not told you. Some of you have very, very serious mental problems. You must see all those things. You must correct yourself. As I said, you must love yourself and understand that you are the saint. You cannot just play about with yourself and try to ruin it, just not paying any attention to yourself, just taking it easy. It's a precious trust you have with you, because your Spirit is enlightened, because you are the light for all the rest of the people of this world who are walking in the dark. Keep your light afloat, keep it clean. You are specially you are bestowed this. Upon you this great grace has fallen. All this beauty, are you going to waste it because your light is not shown through your dirty panels? We have to think about it and that's how once you come up at least this much then one can work with you. Face yourself as you are. You try to give explanations. Explanations are not wanted! Who wants explanations here? Whom are you giving? I am your Mother. I love you. What explanations are you giving? Even anything big happens to you, I will go out of the way to save you. Even if you beat Me, and murder Me still I love you. So what explanation can you give Me? No explanation is needed My children. It is what you do to yourself is the point I am concerned about you. What are you doing to yourself is the main point. And when you understand that, “Am I the most beautiful representative of Sahaj Yoga? Am I the person who can influence others with my light? Am I looking after my light?” It’s very easy to make out, you get your vibrations. Your vibrations are flowing if you are in light. There is the way of finding it out where you are. It's not like other gurus just taking money from you, and you are walking in the dark. If you know what chakras you are catching, where is the problem, what is happening to you, why it is happening, what are the deities, what mantra is to be said – everything you know – despite that, why is it that there is no progress and growth? Because you have no self-esteem, you have no love or you are not in the centre. Unless and until you are in the centre – that's what these avadhutas have done all throughout. They have tried to show that: Be in the centre. Why are you going to extremes? Leave it to God. Now, when it comes to that we are very clever to cheat ourselves. That’s intelligence. Leave it to God. So cleansing, you leave it to God, alright? That's what part you leave it to God, that God should clean us, that part is God's job. And what is your job? Then is to do, what will you do? If I ask then what are you supposed to do? If I have to do cleaning, I have to look after all your meditation, I have to put your Kundalini up, I have to keep it there hanging, and you have to pull that! That's your job. In every way possible if you try to pull down your Kundalini, how long is she going to be there? I'm giving you the extreme case but despite all that, Kundalini is your own Mother. I am much more spread out than She is. She's just localised within you, she loves you really! She loves you very much and She tells Me what's wrong with you, She asks for forgiveness for you. She wants Me to ? her child. She puts forward all the problems you have. She wants Me to work hard,.She works hard herself very much, day in and day out. Once she's awakened She has no sleep. Twenty-four hours she's working, She’s helping you, She’s guiding you, she's coordinating all the things that are needed for you. She brings all the blessings upon you to show that now you are awakened, you are growing, you are transforming, you are changing. “See, see for yourself. “She is the one who pierces the Sahasrara, and the whole Grace falls into you. Without Her piercing the Grace is also useless. Without Her awakening I'm useless. Without her help I cannot do anything. To such a Mother what homage do we pay? What do we do for Her to please Her? We should find out. She's pleased all the time, that doesn't mean that you take Her for granted. It is your duty, your gratitude which expands you. So to grow in the centre is to be in the centre, to see that you do not go to extremes. As I have told you that the things that are to be done by you should be done by you, and whatever are to be done by God will be done by God. The simple example is that when it comes to cleansing your personal things you leave it to God, but when it comes, say, to telling others something which will hurt them, you take it up upon yourself- which will show off your ego! We've had examples and examples of ego-oriented people – horrible people they were. They took up upon themselves Sahaj Yoga, they became the big like gurus and they started preaching. I'm so frightened in My lifetime if they are doing like this what is going to happen? Humble down yourself in your heart. There resides the Spirit of your being, of your attraction – attraction for the Divine, for God Almighty to be gracious on you, to be happy with you, and in Hindi language is to be prasanna is to be pleased with you. We say, “O God! Be gracious to us, be kind to us, bestow Your grace upon us and Your mercy upon us.” We ask in humility. He loves you. No one can love like Him, His love is dynamic. He is so Great that you cannot describe Him in words – just you can feel Him. But we should not be thorn for ourselves and for Him. We are problems for Him. We are creating problems for Him. We are not helping in any way. We are nothing but problems and problems for Him. A day will come [when] He will just recede from you. Give up your personal things, personal problems and think of the bigger problems for which you have to ask His grace. Do not start solving yourself those problems but ask for His grace and be humble, be humble in your heart. Be a witness of the whole thing, the absurdities into which you have driven into. Be a witness. As Hamlet has shown how he's ruined the family, his own and everybody's family. He was doing something right according to all human laws but not according to God's law. You have not to take the law into your hand, of God. God is going to. But, for collective things you have got courts and this and that. Let them work it out. You don't worry about those. You worry about your own punishments you want to bestow on a person. Do not do that. Let God punish them. Why do you want to do the dirty work of punishment? It's horrible. I mean, if I have to punish somebody I don't like it. I mean, it's a horrible thing to punish someone. Why do you want to do it? Do the beautiful, that is, love others. Loving is the most beautiful thing, is the most energy-giving. When you love others only that the love flows into you. Otherwise, why should love come into you? If you are not giving the light, why should light come to you? Love others as you love thyself but here thyself love itself is destructive. Christ never knew there are people like that who are all the time destructive to themselves. There are, in so many lectures I've suggested what is the special problems of the West is, and one of them is left Vishuddhi, and if you go to the subtlest of subtlest point where we are at Left Vishuddhi that we can always find out the injustice done to us and to others but not what injustice we are doing to others. To avoid that we say that [unclear]. Supposing I'm My child. Now I would take up the blame on [the family, what’s wrong with me [ unclear ] [because I would say both the thing] that I will tell you , “What am I to do to understand?” or else what second thing I will do is to feel guilty. “Oh! I know. I know I should not but I'm ?” And in this small thing we can see how we are deceiving our Self. The Self which is your light, the Self which is your meaning, the Self that is Sat-chit-anand. That's the one which is the Truth, which is the attention of God and which is the Joy, we are deceiving every ?. Better to be honest, face ourselves and put it right. May God bless you. Hain na, ho gaya na? Thik? Ha! There was nothing to worry. You are all right now, you got it. See, takes time, but comes up. You are all right now? See, it's all right. Nothing wrong now. You are all right. Takes time. Kundalini works out. Have faith. All those who have come for the first time, please close your eyes. Hm, aaj to bahut achcha hai, thik ho gaye naa? (Hindi: today is very good! Are you alright? ) Ha, Just close your eyes who have come for the first time. Put both the hands on your lap and feet on the ground, touching the ground. When the time comes, then only you get your Realisation. A little time has to be matured, you see, for every person though it's working out. You cannot say what time exactly a flower is going to become a fruit, can you? In the same way, it's a living process, it takes its own time and as a by-product it gives you all the other things. But how far you imbibe it and how far you go further with it is to be seen.
9/2/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=12185	Translation of Marathi Letter from London	England	London	null	null	NEEDED	null	Draft	N	N	N	Letter / Poem	Marathi	0	My dear Sahaja Yogis, The programs which you have arranged at Baneshwar will certainly be very successful. Our attention is there. All God's work will now have a new dynamism. Sahaja Yogis of Pune have given fulfilment to the 'Punya' of Pune. There is nothing special of mine in it. Whatever is with you has been discovered by you and accepted. This is the source of joy. Sahaja Yoga is evolving as Maha Yoga. Baneshwar seminar will manifest that. Work has now commenced on very large scale in Europe also. This year many people will be coming to our holy land. I will come in November. Till then the message of Sahaja Yoga should reach every village, My affectionate blessings to all. Ever Yours, Your mother Nirmala	null	null	null	My dear Sahaja Yogis, The programs which you have arranged at Baneshwar will certainly be very successful. Our attention is there. All God's work will now have a new dynamism. Sahaja Yogis of Pune have given fulfilment to the 'Punya' of Pune. There is nothing special of mine in it. Whatever is with you has been discovered by you and accepted. This is the source of joy. Sahaja Yoga is evolving as Maha Yoga. Baneshwar seminar will manifest that. Work has now commenced on very large scale in Europe also. This year many people will be coming to our holy land. I will come in November. Till then the message of Sahaja Yoga should reach every village, My affectionate blessings to all. Ever Yours, Your mother Nirmala
9/5/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=11094	Conversation of Shri Mataji with Ratna (see also MAHA AVATAR, ISSUE 2, OCT-DEC 1980, PAGES 21–22)	India	New Delhi	Draft	null	null	null	null	N	N	N	Quote	English	0	View online. Conversation of Shri Mataji with Ratna OM SHRI MATAJIShri Nirmala Devi Namo NamahThe moving finger writes, and having writ it moves on, Nor all they piety nor wit can scratch a single word down.A young girl of sixteen fascinated by these lines so much that she lived on then for twenty-six years. If there was a "Moving Finger" who could control your lives, then what was the need for temples, churches and worship ? A question which haunted her for many many years to come.Then one day she heard a saying "Arise, Awake and Stop not till the goal is reached". It appealed all right and so she got up at 4 a.m. (called herself a Karmyogi) and kept on working, but still the problem of life and its meaning were not being solved. Everything appeared existing but what was her role in life ? This was a question, probably an eternal one !May be we were not the lucky ones, like those born when Shri Ram and Sita, Radha and Krishna, Lord Jesus and Mother Mary came down on Earth to Bless them. Sometimes I thought that may be we could still get a Darshan of Mahavishnu or have a vision of Sakshat Shakti Herself. I kept on thinking and lo ! we were Blest.In 1980, Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi was in Delhi. She was here to Awaken the Kundalini.This young girl now a mother of grown up children went to meet Her Holiness as She happened to be her Mamiji (aunt) by relationship, but when she bowed to touch Her Lotus Feet, she realised that more than a Mami, a "Mother" was needed. The change was all in a few micro-seconds. She asked Her Holiness to bless her daughter Ratna who was accompanying her. Ratna, a student of Miranda House felt completely relaxed in H.H. Mataji’s presence (for which she herself was surprised).H. H. Mataji : How are you bete ?Ratna : I am alright Mataji, but I would like to know about the Third Eye which Lobsang Rampa wrote about.H.H. Mataji : Bete’ can any-one operate in between the eyebrows and open the third eye ? In thatcase all the surgeons would be much sought for (Laughter all around as no one can stop laughing in Her presence.)Ratna : Mataji is it possible that the Divine power be converted into Evil as shown in the latest movies "the omen, Exorcist etc".H.H. Mataji : The Divine Power always remains Divine, there is no doubt in it. It is a Power which can never finish. If you forget your path, I may give you a little jolt, that’s all. My love for all of you is always there.Ratna : In the spritual Path, is it necessary to wear good clothes ? H.H. Mataji : Once the Kundalini is awakened, She passes through 6 chakras touching the Sahasrar which is the final destination. All these chakras have Deities to guard them. Once the Mahalakshmi chakra (Manipur) is aroused, you have to respect Her by putting on your best and being scrupulously clean. Mahasaraswati demands precision and neatness and so on.The Goal was reached. H.H. Mataji with Her Glances and Touches had given Ratna self-realization (awakened her Kundalini).The Moving-finger moved on and Blest every-one in the room, and now we understood that all that had been written for us could be scratched down with all H.H. Mataji’s Blessings.With Ratna and her whole family meditating and taking salt-water treatment in night, life seems to have developed a new meaning.No hurry, no worry, no taxis, no cars to rush you up to any place of pilgrim mages. She was the lucky one to have made it ! Yes ! Mataji’s looks and glances are enough. Even Her photograph Vibrates. It is absolutely true. Our beloved and revered Mataji absorbs all our sorrows, and this keeps us always smiling. Smiling as we always are others want to know the secret.Then, as there are no secrets in "Sahaja Yoga" we told them say Jai Mataji.Mrs. VarmaB-18, Press Enclave,New Delhi5th September, 1980	null	null	null	View online. Conversation of Shri Mataji with Ratna OM SHRI MATAJIShri Nirmala Devi Namo NamahThe moving finger writes, and having writ it moves on, Nor all they piety nor wit can scratch a single word down.A young girl of sixteen fascinated by these lines so much that she lived on then for twenty-six years. If there was a "Moving Finger" who could control your lives, then what was the need for temples, churches and worship ? A question which haunted her for many many years to come.Then one day she heard a saying "Arise, Awake and Stop not till the goal is reached". It appealed all right and so she got up at 4 a.m. (called herself a Karmyogi) and kept on working, but still the problem of life and its meaning were not being solved. Everything appeared existing but what was her role in life ? This was a question, probably an eternal one !May be we were not the lucky ones, like those born when Shri Ram and Sita, Radha and Krishna, Lord Jesus and Mother Mary came down on Earth to Bless them. Sometimes I thought that may be we could still get a Darshan of Mahavishnu or have a vision of Sakshat Shakti Herself. I kept on thinking and lo ! we were Blest.In 1980, Her Holiness Mataji Nirmala Devi was in Delhi. She was here to Awaken the Kundalini.This young girl now a mother of grown up children went to meet Her Holiness as She happened to be her Mamiji (aunt) by relationship, but when she bowed to touch Her Lotus Feet, she realised that more than a Mami, a "Mother" was needed. The change was all in a few micro-seconds. She asked Her Holiness to bless her daughter Ratna who was accompanying her. Ratna, a student of Miranda House felt completely relaxed in H.H. Mataji’s presence (for which she herself was surprised).H. H. Mataji : How are you bete ?Ratna : I am alright Mataji, but I would like to know about the Third Eye which Lobsang Rampa wrote about.H.H. Mataji : Bete’ can any-one operate in between the eyebrows and open the third eye ? In thatcase all the surgeons would be much sought for (Laughter all around as no one can stop laughing in Her presence.)Ratna : Mataji is it possible that the Divine power be converted into Evil as shown in the latest movies "the omen, Exorcist etc".H.H. Mataji : The Divine Power always remains Divine, there is no doubt in it. It is a Power which can never finish. If you forget your path, I may give you a little jolt, that’s all. My love for all of you is always there.Ratna : In the spritual Path, is it necessary to wear good clothes ? H.H. Mataji : Once the Kundalini is awakened, She passes through 6 chakras touching the Sahasrar which is the final destination. All these chakras have Deities to guard them. Once the Mahalakshmi chakra (Manipur) is aroused, you have to respect Her by putting on your best and being scrupulously clean. Mahasaraswati demands precision and neatness and so on.The Goal was reached. H.H. Mataji with Her Glances and Touches had given Ratna self-realization (awakened her Kundalini).The Moving-finger moved on and Blest every-one in the room, and now we understood that all that had been written for us could be scratched down with all H.H. Mataji’s Blessings.With Ratna and her whole family meditating and taking salt-water treatment in night, life seems to have developed a new meaning.No hurry, no worry, no taxis, no cars to rush you up to any place of pilgrim mages. She was the lucky one to have made it ! Yes ! Mataji’s looks and glances are enough. Even Her photograph Vibrates. It is absolutely true. Our beloved and revered Mataji absorbs all our sorrows, and this keeps us always smiling. Smiling as we always are others want to know the secret.Then, as there are no secrets in "Sahaja Yoga" we told them say Jai Mataji.Mrs. VarmaB-18, Press Enclave,New Delhi5th September, 1980
9/7/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=5975	How To Know Where You Are	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	56	How To Know Where You Are, Advice at Chelsham Rd Ashram, Clapham, London (UK), 7 September 1980. …vibrations on the photographs, that’s very important. How to know where you are, as far as God is concerned. That's the main thing, isn't it? We are here for that: to be one with God, to be [in] union with His Power, to be his instruments. And how our connections get loose, and how we can to correct it, we should try to understand that. First of all, we must realise that you are not to think about it. If you start thinking too much about it, then you have seen that you do something funny which you should not have done. Do not plan out too much about it, also, because, in this country, if people start planning out, they'll get all the planning done. For example, they have to go for a walk: then they must have proper shoes, they must have proper sticks, they must have this, they must have that, and they must have gloves, and they must have everything, and they never go out! They are so exhausted with the planning itself. (laughter) In the same way, it happens with Sahaja Yoga. It very much happens the same way with Sahaja Yoga, I have seen that though I have told you not to plan it out, not to think about it, still you go on doing it and that is how you get into problems; that by thinking you cannot correct yourself. What you can do is to know that you can put bandhans or you can give yourself a balance with your hands. You have to move your hands and not your brain. Alright? Our brains are moving and hands and feet never move! And out of proportion our brains are moving but our hands and feet do not move. This is the society which H.G. Wells had described, I can see it very clearly, that you have more brains than your deftness and than your understanding. Your fingers are not so sensitive and the brain leads you to artificiality. So, you are not to use your thinking for correcting your chakras. Now should I write it down in golden words? That, “You cannot think about it and sort it out.” This is one thing people do not understand. Now we have got mantras for different chakras. Every chakra has got a mantra which you know. If you do not know, you should find out. Now, if one chakra is catching, then you work on that chakra only and develop your mantra on that. For example, supposing you have to say something for your heart: then, first of all, you must ask for forgiveness from God. That means your attention has not been so much as it should have been on the Spirit. Or, if you have done any mistakes, ask for forgiveness, you ask for forgiveness. Now, you ask for forgiveness from your heart. Even doing with hand can be artificial, you understand that? It could be just ritualistic - but from your heart. Whatever you have to say, you say it from your heart. Ask for forgiveness from your heart, not [to] think about it. You see, this is the trouble is. If I say something then you start thinking about it, and then you said then, "Now, I have to take out my attention from the centre," and then you start taking out your attention. You cannot. With your brain, you cannot take out your attention from anywhere. It's only through your hands, or movement of your hands, or by saying mantras you bring in. Do you understand that point? Absolutely clear-cut. Many people think that if they pay attention to something and pull their attention - you cannot. But what you can do is to, when you are saying the mantra, put your attention, without thought, to that particular chakra. So you master that chakra ultimately, the one which is a weakness can become your mastery. But if you think, then you are catching again the heart much more. You have known that by thinking you catch your right side in the sense that it starts [getting] overactive, it gets over-activated, and left side gets frozen up, by which heart is catching. Your ego develops which engulfs your heart. So the more you think about it, how to correct your ego, the worse you are. You fight it. So then we know that you have to give a balance, bring down your ego - with your hand, with massaging, you can bring it down, because in your hand it is flowing, whether you are catching or not catching, it is flowing from your hand is there - the flow from your hand is there. You may not even receive from Me but there is flow already started, it's germinated, little bit is always there. Use that to massage your head, bring down your ego. Then for heart also, do not think about it but give it, or you put your hand towards it. Direct the vibrations but don't think at that time. This is the important thing. If you are thinking and directing, it cannot be directed because your attention is engulfed in the thinking process. Do you understand that point? And here, the problem is people think too much and talk too much. I mean, they talk about everything. They know everything. It is such a wasteful habit of thinking and then talking about it. Everybody is a monarch here because of ego. So now please tell your ego, "You please keep shut - now we know you too well!” Try to push it back as much as you can, with force sometimes, bring it back, like that. Try to bring it to its normal position and you will be amazed once it goes to its normal position you'll feel very much lighter. So this is to be done with your hand. You can use oil to rub on your body, if you have to rub, you can use even powder or anything for having less friction, but it is through massage, through giving bandhans, by taking it out, or through limbu (hindi: lime/lemon) or you can use even an orange or something like that, Try to take out these vibrations through these mediums and not through thinking. Through thinking, you cannot do it. Once you think about it, you have no power over yourself. There's a barrier between the Spirit and you, because you are thinking through your ego. You must have noticed many a times, when I tell you that, “This you should not have done!” You said "I know." You see, this is something I can't understand, when you know that this should not have been done, then why are you doing it? (laughing) Now which is that 'I' which knows? Is your Spirit. Or which is that is doing it against it? Is your ego. So, identification should be with Spirit, and Spirit does not think - it manifests. So you cannot sort it out through your thinking. It's all false and faulty life. Anything you do with thinking, it will be all faulty. Now why you people in this country have lost your deftness in the hands? For the same reason. If I ask a question, say, on, say, some art, people can tell me a lot about art, but if you tell them even to hold a brush in their hands, they cannot! In any art, any deftness or anything, they think. That's how the creativity, the spontaneity, is finished: by thinking. And that's why you must have seen, the people these days who producing art, is also so horrible, that within twenty years all these artistic pieces will die out. They will have no value. All these are produced in these, I see them everyday in so-called “modern art” and all that. The real modern art can only be done by a person who has got his Spirit manifesting, like Blake. The one whose Spirit is not manifesting, whether he's a poet or whether he is an artist or anything, whatever he is doing is going to finish in no time, has no value, because it cannot give happiness to Spirit. It can only give happiness outside. So do everything in silence - not thinking - in thoughtless awareness. That's the main point. How much you pamper your ego, you just see morning till evening. It's very simple to see in life. We try to be angry and in temper, or sometimes try to be very, very gentle, and sometimes very, very humble to look at, just to please that ego of ours - not to ourselves, the Spirit. Now just fighting your ego, you are not going to achieve much, as I have told you. Just do not accept its existence. It doesn't exist for you any longer, does not exist. Ego is only existent in God because He does something, you do not do. That's why it's a myth. Your ego is a myth, you have no ego. It's a myth and you are carrying on with the myth. Now ego in a man is nonsense. Ego in God is all sense. Now when you are facing the photograph, just to check up yourself, humble down yourself. First of all, humble down like a person who wants to perfect oneself. Before the photograph, you humble down yourself and try to find out what's wrong with you. Best thing is to give yourself a bandhan. Don't think again. “Humble down” means try to bring down your attention to your heart. Humble down. Bring it down to your heart. Don’t think. Now you put attention to the photograph without thinking and see for yourself what chakras are catching. One should not immediately jump into conclusion, "Oh yes, I am catching for this, I am catching for that, I am catching for another person," and all this nonsense is not needed. You need not take it to a rationality to judge it why you are catching, that’s not important for us. It is catching, alright. So do not go on a trip of thinking. I can ask, you need not. If you are checking other people, then it's alright because you can tell them what is to be done. But then you find something - now left is catching. So, now you know that this is because of your guilt, whichever is built in your subconscious you are catching on the left. It could be due to anything because you didn't have proper sense of morality. That's the basics. Left Vishuddhi is immoral. If you have been immoral you get this. Basics. Then, sisters relationship. Then, guilt that is built in the subconscious. If you become immoral, in the subconscious the guilt is built. Any such guilt can come as any other guilt. Like you see, the real guilt is due to something else, but people express it as something else. Alright? So, do not worry as to what guilt you have got. I never tell you what guilt you have got, if you remember it correctly. Never I tell you that you should say that you have got this guilt. Many people tell me that, “I have got a guilt that there is war in Vietnam,” or some sort of a nonsense, or “My forefathers went to Argentina and killed many Indians.” All this is nonsense, you see? The guilt is a subconscious action, is what you call the conditioning in the left. When there is some sort of an immoral behaviour that is done. Even you may not be knowing what is morality, you see, if you do not know dharmas, might be something you are doing which you should not have done. So forget about it, detach yourself. The one who has committed mistake is your ego, not you. You are pure because you are Spirit. So don't condemn yourself for that. You are not to bother. For example, if there is defect in the instrument, there is no defect in the electricity. Electricity is pure. It is not carried out because there is defect in the instrument. So we have to correct the instrument. Now, if you think you are the electricity you can correct it, but if you think you are the instrument, you can never correct it because again you go to your subconscious, try to find out, “Oh, what things I must have done?” It could be from your previous lives, also. It could be you might have caught it by saying something very filthy which you do not remember. So do not tax your mind. We are not psychoanalysts, at all, to find out psychologically what is wrong with us by asking questions and this, then troubling yourself too much with ego. Psychologists only think of the left [side] but they don't know when you try to do that you develop your ego. When you start thinking about it, from where this has come, immediately you develop the ego of a person and the person goes on to the ego trip and which is even more dangerous than subconscious problem. Because people who have ego trouble the whole community, while those who are superego only trouble themselves. People with ego are much more dangerous and troublesome than the people with superego. So you just, first of all, see what is the matter with you. Now, Left Vishuddhi is catching. Alright, so that means the Kundalini is not properly going through the Left Vishuddhi. Alright? Then you be attached to your Spirit. Try to attach yourself to your Spirit. Then you clear it out. I see like that. Supposing I am the Spirit and you are the body. I see my Spirit and I see your Spirit. I am not bothered what you have got. In the same way, you see yourself in two ways: that you are the Spirit, and you are not the body or the mind or anything. So we have to clear it. They are paroksha, they are different, they are another. We have to correct it. As electricity is separated from this instrument (microphone), in the same way you are separated from your Spirit, but this separateness must be understood in meditation, that’s why meditation is necessary. For meditating, you should say that, "Mother, make me the Spirit. I am the Spirit. Mother, I am the Spirit." You start seeing through the eyes of the Spirit everything, then you do not feel bad. You laugh at yourself, make fun of yourself, and then you enjoy yourself, only with yourself. You play with yourself. You joke with yourself. And the whole thing becomes a joke. But for this, when you meditate, you find out first of all what is the matter with you. But not mentally you resolve it, through your vibrations and mantras. Mantras are very important for Sahaja Yogis. If these mantras could be said, loudly is better in the beginning. That is why, in privacy, you can do all these things, in your room you can work it out. Now you can use lemons, you can use water, you can use light, you can use ether, aakash, you can use sea - all these things you can use to cleanse yourself. Once you start facing yourself through your Spirit, you won't be so frightened. Because you do not want to face yourself, you are all the time in that mood of frightened, fear. But once you start facing [yourself], you will be amazed that, really, you are beautiful, and all these things will drop out. So there is no need to condemn yourself in any way, or to elate yourself, but just be your Spirit. The best way to be with your Spirit is to forgive, forgive, because then your thoughts will go away. I mean, here there are people with superego, but as soon as you remove their superego, they get into ego very fast, I’ve seen it. I mean, they are really basically egos, actually, as if, from the horse they have fallen for a while and as soon as you take them away, then lift them, they just jump onto the horse again, it’s like that. So one has to be very careful about this point. Now when you meditate, how much time, again, you are thinking? All this meticulousness, if you try, then again you are thinking. You just take the proper place to sit down, keep the photograph before you and just feel your vibrations - where are you catching? Alright. Then you know how to remove your catches. Without thinking, try to do that. Then say the mantras on different chakras, wherever you are catching, first of all. First of all ascertain them (which are catching), need not say all the mantras. Only say the mantras in that part, with your heart. Remove your baddhas with your hand and movement, as you know that, and it would work out. (baby starts crying) You can take her out now because it’s very congested now for children, she’ll be better off. Too much for her to face. The less you think, the faster you move with your realisation. This is the blessings of Indians. That's why you can ask Ray what he has to say about Sahaja Yoga. They don't think much. Now see my cook whom I wanted to teach cooking. In one month he learned: how to cook very well. But I can tell you I cannot teach you people for six months. Even I don't know if I can teach you that much even in one year. Because very few things will go into the brain, and then come to the hand is also difficult. You discuss anything, say, planning of the room, everybody will be arguing without thinking that, “Just receive the thing, let's see what it is,” everybody will start arguing. In the same way, if you have to learn how to be a Spirit, do not argue it out. Do not think about it. Just try to become, to become, you have to become. Now I have understood, [what] your basic problem is: that everything you want to sort out with your brain and don't want to use your hands, and that's why the inertia is setting in. People are becoming lethargic, you see. Unless and until you move physically, how the inertia is going to go out? Not through your brain. So reduce your thinking. Do not try to sort out things through your thinking. It will give you a serenity, a kind of a peaceful existence. While talking to each other better to whisper, talk slowly. In my presence, you shouldn't shout and talk loudly [but] in a very whispering way, it's a silence in which you are here. Normally, people talk as if, say, I am just a housewife or something. One should understand that's not the way to talk, because then you are missing the point, you see? You are playing with My Maya, which you should not come into. Try to [do that with] each other also. Because you are saints. Do not quarrel and argue. Reduce your arguments to minimum and minimum. Moreover, find out all the ways by which your mind goes out and stop it. Try to stop that, because now your mind has thought for at least seven lives ahead. You don't need any more thinking, you have done enough. Whatever brain God has given you, you have so much bashed it, that now better leave it alone and don't think. Then the inspiration will come to you from within. And when the inspiration will be coming, then you will find it will be very different; it will be very beautiful, absolutely beautiful it will be. I think if you read Zen - I am not saying go and read [because] immediately you will buy ten books and start reading!! For heaven's sake, don’t! I am just telling you that if you read Zen, you won't understand, normally. People won't understand. They'll just describe like a little flower standing, lonely, alone in the woodlands. They go see and enjoy it, and see that identification of loneliness that: God is alone, He has no companion, He cannot share. But you cannot. You will think about it, put words on it and make something nonsense out of it. But they'll enjoy, just enjoy. They'll make a pattern out of some stones and some sand, and I have seen all Americans and all other people who go there, they say, "What is this? What is this? What is this?" It is a pattern to neutralise your thoughts, that you go into thoughtless awareness, you just see the pattern without thinking. You try to see, at least, my face, without thinking which my face, itself, makes you thoughtless. If you watch my face, it makes you thoughtless. So, you watch my face without thinking. On the photograph you can watch my face without thinking and it will work out. Try to make yourself thoughtless. That's the first stage you have not achieved, and you jump onto that. For no rhyme and reason, you jump onto that thought business. This is the only quality difference between you and Indians. They do not think about it, they just imbibe. Have you seen a child being nursed? It doesn't think, it's just sucking and enjoying. What they say is to take attention inside, but if you tell anybody here they will say, “We are pulling our inside attention!” With your brain you will be trying all tricks and doing nothing. Is to silence yourself, silence your mind, and a serene atmosphere is there which you feel around, which I feel very much in India. Here, also, sometimes it sets in within you, during puja time and all that. At the puja time, now it's much better [but] before they used to quarrel, early in the morning, before puja a big quarrel is on, and then the puja would start and I wouldn't know what to do with that kind of a puja! And, the main thing is that we have to be one with our Selves. Without knowing the Atma, you cannot know God. You have to know your Spirit. Once that beautiful personality is developed within you, people will know that you are Spirit. If you think less, every work you will do will be good. I have seen, you ask somebody to connect one, say, pipe to another pipe, they cannot. There will be leakage, there will be some problem, because you are not connecting it without thinking. You see Douglas has that, now, capacity: he doesn't think. You have seen how much he has improved. He doesn't think much, he just does, and that's why he’s come up in Sahaja Yoga. Though he had gone down very much, he knows that very well. But how, by not thinking, he has come up! You people are over-developed so try to stop your brain acting any more and just make it humbler. All these, you see, ideas of hippyism and all that, is actually the consciousness, awareness, of this overdeveloped mind. But just by wearing dresses, or living like hippies, or by taking drugs, you cannot stop this brain thinking. Sahaja Yoga is the only way, and balancing yourself. Also, there are many other things which help you. For example, physical things - you must learn dieting. What diet is needed for that, what exercise is needed for what kind of a thing. Get to it! Now I am going away for a month, you have to work it out. Actually, unless and until you impress others whom you are addressing or whom you are going to meet with that kind of love and that kind of serenity, nobody is going to believe! Secondly, what impresses people the most? Do you know that? What does it impress, even if it is false, impresses people very much? Simplicity. Simplicity of character, of talking of dressing up, simplicity. Even, say, if you are a dandily dressed person, people know you are dandily dressed. Even if you are say wearing a jean and making a thing as if you do not care for a suit and all that, still you are trying to impose something. But if you just wear a normal, simple dress, you dress up in a simple way, absolutely in a normal way, people are amazed at you: how can you be that normal, simple? And the second thing that impresses people is what you have sacrificed for Sahaja Yoga or for anything that you are doing. How much you are dedicated yourself. Not what you have achieved out of it, but what you have sacrificed. That’s very important. This second point is very important: what you have sacrificed. You see, if you read what Indians write or even you people write and all that is there that: Mother has all the comfort of Her own, She has a family of Her own, She has Her grandchildren, but She’s still, She’s so much interested in us. She comes here and She doesn’t mind anything, and She sacrifices all Her time all Her enjoyment for us. She enjoys our company, She wants to be with us. I have many ways by which people get impressed, but you people: try to sacrifice something out of you. While, you have noticed that some of you have been really parasitic. This is another thing which people will be shocked [about]! The gurus also, obviously, they do not show. In the beginning they will show that they are very sacrificing, they have sacrificed their families, they are wearing a kashaya vastra (monks clothes), they have become a sadhu and they have given up everything. All these Llamas have impressed people with that! Of course that’s falsehood, we are not going to take to falsehood. But in our life, if we are sacrificing, doing things for others, every time if you weigh how much they have done...so for example, if I start weighing, “How much the English people have worked out Sahaja Yoga compared to others?” And then I start paying you according to what you have done, giving you that much time as it should be given to you, immediately my work will not give me satisfaction. I can’t, I’m too sincere, I’m too genuine, I just cannot get out of my genuineness or sincerity, I just cannot. You people have that much freedom, I don’t have any of these [freedoms], this is my nature, I just can’t help it. Whether you come up or not, till the last breath of My life I’ll work hard on you, but to make it easier for Me and enjoyable for you, you must try to work in a way where there’s no thinking. You cannot understand me through thinking can you? How far can you go with thinking? Only you’ll go mad! So just don’t think about it. Develop serenity within you. And no superiority complex is needed. You have got realisation, others will also get it. Maybe others may be better than you are today. You will see that dignity and serenity coming in to you once you realise that you are the Spirit. Realisation never means that, from your brain. You see, with my brain if I ‘realise’ that I’m the queen of England, I cannot become! I have to realise within me, means it must actualise within me that I am the queen. It’s an actualisation, it’s not just thinking, just believing into something. It is the nature, the very nature, it should become because actually you are the Spirit, your nature is the Spirit. You are nothing but the Spirit. The time has come for all the manifestation of the Spirit, and all these superficial and silly, stupid things that you are doing through your brain: drop it out! Do not waste your energy. There isn’t much time left. And with this I would like to bless you all that you develop that serenity within you and that affection and honour and respect for yourself, and become that. The way I honour you honour yourself and love yourself and understand yourself. May God bless you all. In India they’ll say, ‘Suck in the vibrations’. Now you will say, “Well, how to suck?” Just become thoughtless, it will go in! Just become thoughtless it will go in. Just try to be thoughtless, you’ll imbibe it. If the thoughts are coming from ego, just tell them, “Be humble, be humble, be humble, ” and they’ll disappear. Because your brain cannot suggest anything to you, sensible. Only your Spirit can manifest. Just tell your mind, “Be humble.” The this relativity will go away that you have to be unique, you are some higher soul and something. All that is nonsense. You have to be the Whole, you have to be in the centre. You see, what happens is that you are in a centre, moving in this direction, alright? Like that. In the centre. And once you try to go to anything extraordinary you go like a tangent outside. You see, you keep to the centrifugal force or I can say the centripetal force. There’s also a centrifugal force acting. Now when you try to go out, anywhere, try to do something exceptional or better and all that, and try to show off or in anyway you try to come out from the whole, you just go like a tangent: and in such a big way that you are amazed how you are left out! And such people then go out of circulation. Better now. Don’t think! But some people do not even soak there feet in the water, do not even meditate. I mean, I don’t know how they are Sahaja Yogis, I just can’t understand. Every day you must soak your feet in the water! Every morning you must beat yourself with shoes. This is a ritual of Sahaja Yoga. But if you do not do it you should not also be killing yourself for that but if you have a chance do it, because that’s how you cleanse. That’s a part. Not by thinking that I’ve done soaking of my feet! I was amazed that some people just do not soak their feet even do not meditate at all, don’t do anything. And they are supposed to be Sahaja Yogis. You see, Sahaja Yogis are to be decided by the Divine, not by if you become ‘members’ of Sahaja Yoga [that] you become Sahaja Yogis. It is to be decided by Divine. People think that, whatever we do, we are Sahaja Yogis. You do not become Sahaja Yogis at all, those who do not meditate. This is our way of life. You see, as in Islamic rules there are that there are Shariat is. Shariat means the style of life. This is our way of life, is to keep ourselves cleansed, how we cleanse ourself, this is bathing ourselves, our, all those things that are filthy within us to take them out and do it. That’s the main thing. Then you’ll be amazed that you won’t be wasting your energy in, say, doing your work. You’ll be doing your work much better because you are wasting all your energy through your brains. Then I don’t have to give explanations, once you become the Spirit. You just enjoy. Alright? It’s good now, it’s working out let it settle down, let your attention be on the Spirit. hmm. Just watch. Agnya is too much. Can you take from My Agnya, right. Thinking you see, is the main point is: too much! Will you go into a ? or something. Better thing would be. Gone up to here. It’s stuck here! You see, your thinking is reducing now. Try to watch your thoughts. Hold each other’s hands and one hand should be outside. Should be left loose one hand. And what you can do is to hold her hand, one hand, and one hand…Good. Better, thinking is going down. Agnya is so sticky. You can’t open the door here is it? Yes, you try to open. What sort of arrangements they have made here? This is all thinking process! Open the door, it’s quite warm today, very warm, open it! What has happened to Cooly, why is he getting into such a big ego? Sahaja Yogi: He could have come earlier but he’s trying to… Shri Mataji: I know, he’s trying to avoid me now. You see, this is the problem. He has ego and you have ego too. You were having a fight? You don’t join hands with him, he’ll be alright. He has been neglecting his work. If you are not properly working, why will people accept you? You must show more sincerity about work and involvement into it. If you do not think you will do it better. Cooly never used to do that. Now suddenly, I don’t know what has happened to him. He has started thinking too much. Don has really not done good to him. Don, please try to now be kind to him and bring him round ,alright? He’s a very old Sahaja Yogi and he should not be just gone out of the circulation. If you don’t work…you see, if you are a good worker then anybody would think, nobody would allow you to get out. On the contrary they’ll say, “Please work for us” But if you are a bad worker they’ll find ways and methods of throwing you out. Same in Sahaja Yoga. If you are genuine, you are simple. God knows [that] you are alright, you’ll be there. If not He’ll thrown you out. He knows everything. You’ll go out. You’ll be amazed how you’ll be thrown out. You are not to fight with each other. And try to understand that unless and until you work with complete devotion [and] dedication nobody’s going to accept you for any work whatsoever. All those people who have come up, even in work field, have been doing things properly. If you try to pull him out John, you are his friend. Try to help each other by telling, “Don’t lose temper, don’t get angry, everything will be alright. Take it easy.” On the contrary if one person says [to] another one things, another one says at a louder voice. You all have not yet know your self-esteem, that’s the main point is. You see, because, if you are born say in a royal family, you would have had some sort of a self-esteem which was artificial. Now you are not born in that kind of family, you are normal people ordinary families. So what? You can be born anywhere. Christ was born in a manger. So what? He never lost his self-esteem. How can Sahaja Yogis fight for like this? I didn’t like it, tell Cooly, and be sober down and be humble. Don’t take the laws of God into your hands. Do not fight. Alright? Where is Peter? Where is he gone? All ego. Where is he, Peter? Sahaja yogi: He’s gone upstairs Mother for something or other. Shri Mataji: Just call him. Get him here. Very egoistical fellow. He’ll get out of the circulation very soon. At the time when people are meditating what is he doing upstairs? And he wants to be the leader of the people! Peter Pierce: Yes Mother? Shri Mataji: Sit down, and hold the hands of people! And you must soak your feet every day, and when you are meditating….you better sit here. And all those who have to be Sahaja Yogis and have to live in this ashram have to soak there feet every night, and have to meditate! Because your egos pass from each other. It’s contamination, complete contamination. Try to humble down. Now take it. Let it pass out. Such a lot of ego you can’t imagine. See. See that? ‘Huk, huk, huk, huk’ it’s going on! You just say that, “Mother, you are our ego. You are the ego.” I am, you are not. You don’t do anything. That will solve the problem. “We don’t do anything, you do everything,” You say like that otherwise it will not. Be humble. And that’s why there are no emotions, nothing. Just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk!!! No feelings, nothing comes up. Be humble! Be humble in your heart. Ah, it’s stuck up all here. See? Somebody come in I don’t know. It’s all hot. See? See that? Sickening, absolutely. And that’s how you catch then Ekadasha Rudra. You know, when ego develops too much you become Ekadasha Rudra problem and that’s the thing which sets in the real place for cancer. Now don’t worry and think that…when I said ‘cancer’ everybody starts thinking, “Have I got?” None of you can have! You see, I know what you think all the time: real foolish things, nothing sensible! If you get cancer, do you think I’ll rest in peace? Hmm, see? See how much ego and useless activity and the smoke of this horrible ego in the brain. Such a lot, still sticking on. See your liver is nourished. What you have to surrender is your ego, means your thinking. If you are thinking open your eyes and say “I forgive, I forgive”. You see, to neutralise your thoughts, use mantras. “Oh Mother, I forgive” even if you take My name is sufficient, it can take out your…Taking My name is very good, helps you a lot. Hmmm, taking My name is the best way of killing your ego I think! Aha, I can see now! You see? In the subtle way everybody thinks that, “Mataji is also like us, so why take Her name?” Take My name, you finish your ego very nicely on that I tell you. I am not [like you], I am very different, absolutely a different person. I’m telling you again and again: don’t be illusioned by Me. You see? I am really an illusion, complete illusion for you, you cannot understand Me. Just take My name and it will work out. Better? Still sticking on here! Now it’s better, isn’t it. Aah, better? All the heat going out. It’s better. Eyesights will improve. Now on the left, it’s coming more on the left. Hmm God bless you. Just one thing you [should] do: to see that you don’t think. Is it very cold outside? Yogi: Yes Mother Shri Mataji: Are you sure? Phillip, when is Bala going to Singapore? Phillip: I’m not sure Mother. Shri Mataji: You find out. Alright? Tell him to give Me a phone before I leave because I have to give him addresses of people whom he has to meet in Singapore. Phillip: Yes Shri Mataji: Because I’ll go away on Thursday. Tell him to come and see Me before that. Phillip: Before this Thursday? Shri Mataji: Hmmm Phillip: Yes Mother Shri Mataji: Means must be Wednesday or something if he can come. Haa. See? It’s clearing out. Better? Do not condemn yourself you see, there should be cheerfulness that it’s clearing out….	null	null	null	How To Know Where You Are, Advice at Chelsham Rd Ashram, Clapham, London (UK), 7 September 1980. …vibrations on the photographs, that’s very important. How to know where you are, as far as God is concerned. That's the main thing, isn't it? We are here for that: to be one with God, to be [in] union with His Power, to be his instruments. And how our connections get loose, and how we can to correct it, we should try to understand that. First of all, we must realise that you are not to think about it. If you start thinking too much about it, then you have seen that you do something funny which you should not have done. Do not plan out too much about it, also, because, in this country, if people start planning out, they'll get all the planning done. For example, they have to go for a walk: then they must have proper shoes, they must have proper sticks, they must have this, they must have that, and they must have gloves, and they must have everything, and they never go out! They are so exhausted with the planning itself. (laughter) In the same way, it happens with Sahaja Yoga. It very much happens the same way with Sahaja Yoga, I have seen that though I have told you not to plan it out, not to think about it, still you go on doing it and that is how you get into problems; that by thinking you cannot correct yourself. What you can do is to know that you can put bandhans or you can give yourself a balance with your hands. You have to move your hands and not your brain. Alright? Our brains are moving and hands and feet never move! And out of proportion our brains are moving but our hands and feet do not move. This is the society which H.G. Wells had described, I can see it very clearly, that you have more brains than your deftness and than your understanding. Your fingers are not so sensitive and the brain leads you to artificiality. So, you are not to use your thinking for correcting your chakras. Now should I write it down in golden words? That, “You cannot think about it and sort it out.” This is one thing people do not understand. Now we have got mantras for different chakras. Every chakra has got a mantra which you know. If you do not know, you should find out. Now, if one chakra is catching, then you work on that chakra only and develop your mantra on that. For example, supposing you have to say something for your heart: then, first of all, you must ask for forgiveness from God. That means your attention has not been so much as it should have been on the Spirit. Or, if you have done any mistakes, ask for forgiveness, you ask for forgiveness. Now, you ask for forgiveness from your heart. Even doing with hand can be artificial, you understand that? It could be just ritualistic - but from your heart. Whatever you have to say, you say it from your heart. Ask for forgiveness from your heart, not [to] think about it. You see, this is the trouble is. If I say something then you start thinking about it, and then you said then, "Now, I have to take out my attention from the centre," and then you start taking out your attention. You cannot. With your brain, you cannot take out your attention from anywhere. It's only through your hands, or movement of your hands, or by saying mantras you bring in. Do you understand that point? Absolutely clear-cut. Many people think that if they pay attention to something and pull their attention - you cannot. But what you can do is to, when you are saying the mantra, put your attention, without thought, to that particular chakra. So you master that chakra ultimately, the one which is a weakness can become your mastery. But if you think, then you are catching again the heart much more. You have known that by thinking you catch your right side in the sense that it starts [getting] overactive, it gets over-activated, and left side gets frozen up, by which heart is catching. Your ego develops which engulfs your heart. So the more you think about it, how to correct your ego, the worse you are. You fight it. So then we know that you have to give a balance, bring down your ego - with your hand, with massaging, you can bring it down, because in your hand it is flowing, whether you are catching or not catching, it is flowing from your hand is there - the flow from your hand is there. You may not even receive from Me but there is flow already started, it's germinated, little bit is always there. Use that to massage your head, bring down your ego. Then for heart also, do not think about it but give it, or you put your hand towards it. Direct the vibrations but don't think at that time. This is the important thing. If you are thinking and directing, it cannot be directed because your attention is engulfed in the thinking process. Do you understand that point? And here, the problem is people think too much and talk too much. I mean, they talk about everything. They know everything. It is such a wasteful habit of thinking and then talking about it. Everybody is a monarch here because of ego. So now please tell your ego, "You please keep shut - now we know you too well!” Try to push it back as much as you can, with force sometimes, bring it back, like that. Try to bring it to its normal position and you will be amazed once it goes to its normal position you'll feel very much lighter. So this is to be done with your hand. You can use oil to rub on your body, if you have to rub, you can use even powder or anything for having less friction, but it is through massage, through giving bandhans, by taking it out, or through limbu (hindi: lime/lemon) or you can use even an orange or something like that, Try to take out these vibrations through these mediums and not through thinking. Through thinking, you cannot do it. Once you think about it, you have no power over yourself. There's a barrier between the Spirit and you, because you are thinking through your ego. You must have noticed many a times, when I tell you that, “This you should not have done!” You said "I know." You see, this is something I can't understand, when you know that this should not have been done, then why are you doing it? (laughing) Now which is that 'I' which knows? Is your Spirit. Or which is that is doing it against it? Is your ego. So, identification should be with Spirit, and Spirit does not think - it manifests. So you cannot sort it out through your thinking. It's all false and faulty life. Anything you do with thinking, it will be all faulty. Now why you people in this country have lost your deftness in the hands? For the same reason. If I ask a question, say, on, say, some art, people can tell me a lot about art, but if you tell them even to hold a brush in their hands, they cannot! In any art, any deftness or anything, they think. That's how the creativity, the spontaneity, is finished: by thinking. And that's why you must have seen, the people these days who producing art, is also so horrible, that within twenty years all these artistic pieces will die out. They will have no value. All these are produced in these, I see them everyday in so-called “modern art” and all that. The real modern art can only be done by a person who has got his Spirit manifesting, like Blake. The one whose Spirit is not manifesting, whether he's a poet or whether he is an artist or anything, whatever he is doing is going to finish in no time, has no value, because it cannot give happiness to Spirit. It can only give happiness outside. So do everything in silence - not thinking - in thoughtless awareness. That's the main point. How much you pamper your ego, you just see morning till evening. It's very simple to see in life. We try to be angry and in temper, or sometimes try to be very, very gentle, and sometimes very, very humble to look at, just to please that ego of ours - not to ourselves, the Spirit. Now just fighting your ego, you are not going to achieve much, as I have told you. Just do not accept its existence. It doesn't exist for you any longer, does not exist. Ego is only existent in God because He does something, you do not do. That's why it's a myth. Your ego is a myth, you have no ego. It's a myth and you are carrying on with the myth. Now ego in a man is nonsense. Ego in God is all sense. Now when you are facing the photograph, just to check up yourself, humble down yourself. First of all, humble down like a person who wants to perfect oneself. Before the photograph, you humble down yourself and try to find out what's wrong with you. Best thing is to give yourself a bandhan. Don't think again. “Humble down” means try to bring down your attention to your heart. Humble down. Bring it down to your heart. Don’t think. Now you put attention to the photograph without thinking and see for yourself what chakras are catching. One should not immediately jump into conclusion, "Oh yes, I am catching for this, I am catching for that, I am catching for another person," and all this nonsense is not needed. You need not take it to a rationality to judge it why you are catching, that’s not important for us. It is catching, alright. So do not go on a trip of thinking. I can ask, you need not. If you are checking other people, then it's alright because you can tell them what is to be done. But then you find something - now left is catching. So, now you know that this is because of your guilt, whichever is built in your subconscious you are catching on the left. It could be due to anything because you didn't have proper sense of morality. That's the basics. Left Vishuddhi is immoral. If you have been immoral you get this. Basics. Then, sisters relationship. Then, guilt that is built in the subconscious. If you become immoral, in the subconscious the guilt is built. Any such guilt can come as any other guilt. Like you see, the real guilt is due to something else, but people express it as something else. Alright? So, do not worry as to what guilt you have got. I never tell you what guilt you have got, if you remember it correctly. Never I tell you that you should say that you have got this guilt. Many people tell me that, “I have got a guilt that there is war in Vietnam,” or some sort of a nonsense, or “My forefathers went to Argentina and killed many Indians.” All this is nonsense, you see? The guilt is a subconscious action, is what you call the conditioning in the left. When there is some sort of an immoral behaviour that is done. Even you may not be knowing what is morality, you see, if you do not know dharmas, might be something you are doing which you should not have done. So forget about it, detach yourself. The one who has committed mistake is your ego, not you. You are pure because you are Spirit. So don't condemn yourself for that. You are not to bother. For example, if there is defect in the instrument, there is no defect in the electricity. Electricity is pure. It is not carried out because there is defect in the instrument. So we have to correct the instrument. Now, if you think you are the electricity you can correct it, but if you think you are the instrument, you can never correct it because again you go to your subconscious, try to find out, “Oh, what things I must have done?” It could be from your previous lives, also. It could be you might have caught it by saying something very filthy which you do not remember. So do not tax your mind. We are not psychoanalysts, at all, to find out psychologically what is wrong with us by asking questions and this, then troubling yourself too much with ego. Psychologists only think of the left [side] but they don't know when you try to do that you develop your ego. When you start thinking about it, from where this has come, immediately you develop the ego of a person and the person goes on to the ego trip and which is even more dangerous than subconscious problem. Because people who have ego trouble the whole community, while those who are superego only trouble themselves. People with ego are much more dangerous and troublesome than the people with superego. So you just, first of all, see what is the matter with you. Now, Left Vishuddhi is catching. Alright, so that means the Kundalini is not properly going through the Left Vishuddhi. Alright? Then you be attached to your Spirit. Try to attach yourself to your Spirit. Then you clear it out. I see like that. Supposing I am the Spirit and you are the body. I see my Spirit and I see your Spirit. I am not bothered what you have got. In the same way, you see yourself in two ways: that you are the Spirit, and you are not the body or the mind or anything. So we have to clear it. They are paroksha, they are different, they are another. We have to correct it. As electricity is separated from this instrument (microphone), in the same way you are separated from your Spirit, but this separateness must be understood in meditation, that’s why meditation is necessary. For meditating, you should say that, "Mother, make me the Spirit. I am the Spirit. Mother, I am the Spirit." You start seeing through the eyes of the Spirit everything, then you do not feel bad. You laugh at yourself, make fun of yourself, and then you enjoy yourself, only with yourself. You play with yourself. You joke with yourself. And the whole thing becomes a joke. But for this, when you meditate, you find out first of all what is the matter with you. But not mentally you resolve it, through your vibrations and mantras. Mantras are very important for Sahaja Yogis. If these mantras could be said, loudly is better in the beginning. That is why, in privacy, you can do all these things, in your room you can work it out. Now you can use lemons, you can use water, you can use light, you can use ether, aakash, you can use sea - all these things you can use to cleanse yourself. Once you start facing yourself through your Spirit, you won't be so frightened. Because you do not want to face yourself, you are all the time in that mood of frightened, fear. But once you start facing [yourself], you will be amazed that, really, you are beautiful, and all these things will drop out. So there is no need to condemn yourself in any way, or to elate yourself, but just be your Spirit. The best way to be with your Spirit is to forgive, forgive, because then your thoughts will go away. I mean, here there are people with superego, but as soon as you remove their superego, they get into ego very fast, I’ve seen it. I mean, they are really basically egos, actually, as if, from the horse they have fallen for a while and as soon as you take them away, then lift them, they just jump onto the horse again, it’s like that. So one has to be very careful about this point. Now when you meditate, how much time, again, you are thinking? All this meticulousness, if you try, then again you are thinking. You just take the proper place to sit down, keep the photograph before you and just feel your vibrations - where are you catching? Alright. Then you know how to remove your catches. Without thinking, try to do that. Then say the mantras on different chakras, wherever you are catching, first of all. First of all ascertain them (which are catching), need not say all the mantras. Only say the mantras in that part, with your heart. Remove your baddhas with your hand and movement, as you know that, and it would work out. (baby starts crying) You can take her out now because it’s very congested now for children, she’ll be better off. Too much for her to face. The less you think, the faster you move with your realisation. This is the blessings of Indians. That's why you can ask Ray what he has to say about Sahaja Yoga. They don't think much. Now see my cook whom I wanted to teach cooking. In one month he learned: how to cook very well. But I can tell you I cannot teach you people for six months. Even I don't know if I can teach you that much even in one year. Because very few things will go into the brain, and then come to the hand is also difficult. You discuss anything, say, planning of the room, everybody will be arguing without thinking that, “Just receive the thing, let's see what it is,” everybody will start arguing. In the same way, if you have to learn how to be a Spirit, do not argue it out. Do not think about it. Just try to become, to become, you have to become. Now I have understood, [what] your basic problem is: that everything you want to sort out with your brain and don't want to use your hands, and that's why the inertia is setting in. People are becoming lethargic, you see. Unless and until you move physically, how the inertia is going to go out? Not through your brain. So reduce your thinking. Do not try to sort out things through your thinking. It will give you a serenity, a kind of a peaceful existence. While talking to each other better to whisper, talk slowly. In my presence, you shouldn't shout and talk loudly [but] in a very whispering way, it's a silence in which you are here. Normally, people talk as if, say, I am just a housewife or something. One should understand that's not the way to talk, because then you are missing the point, you see? You are playing with My Maya, which you should not come into. Try to [do that with] each other also. Because you are saints. Do not quarrel and argue. Reduce your arguments to minimum and minimum. Moreover, find out all the ways by which your mind goes out and stop it. Try to stop that, because now your mind has thought for at least seven lives ahead. You don't need any more thinking, you have done enough. Whatever brain God has given you, you have so much bashed it, that now better leave it alone and don't think. Then the inspiration will come to you from within. And when the inspiration will be coming, then you will find it will be very different; it will be very beautiful, absolutely beautiful it will be. I think if you read Zen - I am not saying go and read [because] immediately you will buy ten books and start reading!! For heaven's sake, don’t! I am just telling you that if you read Zen, you won't understand, normally. People won't understand. They'll just describe like a little flower standing, lonely, alone in the woodlands. They go see and enjoy it, and see that identification of loneliness that: God is alone, He has no companion, He cannot share. But you cannot. You will think about it, put words on it and make something nonsense out of it. But they'll enjoy, just enjoy. They'll make a pattern out of some stones and some sand, and I have seen all Americans and all other people who go there, they say, "What is this? What is this? What is this?" It is a pattern to neutralise your thoughts, that you go into thoughtless awareness, you just see the pattern without thinking. You try to see, at least, my face, without thinking which my face, itself, makes you thoughtless. If you watch my face, it makes you thoughtless. So, you watch my face without thinking. On the photograph you can watch my face without thinking and it will work out. Try to make yourself thoughtless. That's the first stage you have not achieved, and you jump onto that. For no rhyme and reason, you jump onto that thought business. This is the only quality difference between you and Indians. They do not think about it, they just imbibe. Have you seen a child being nursed? It doesn't think, it's just sucking and enjoying. What they say is to take attention inside, but if you tell anybody here they will say, “We are pulling our inside attention!” With your brain you will be trying all tricks and doing nothing. Is to silence yourself, silence your mind, and a serene atmosphere is there which you feel around, which I feel very much in India. Here, also, sometimes it sets in within you, during puja time and all that. At the puja time, now it's much better [but] before they used to quarrel, early in the morning, before puja a big quarrel is on, and then the puja would start and I wouldn't know what to do with that kind of a puja! And, the main thing is that we have to be one with our Selves. Without knowing the Atma, you cannot know God. You have to know your Spirit. Once that beautiful personality is developed within you, people will know that you are Spirit. If you think less, every work you will do will be good. I have seen, you ask somebody to connect one, say, pipe to another pipe, they cannot. There will be leakage, there will be some problem, because you are not connecting it without thinking. You see Douglas has that, now, capacity: he doesn't think. You have seen how much he has improved. He doesn't think much, he just does, and that's why he’s come up in Sahaja Yoga. Though he had gone down very much, he knows that very well. But how, by not thinking, he has come up! You people are over-developed so try to stop your brain acting any more and just make it humbler. All these, you see, ideas of hippyism and all that, is actually the consciousness, awareness, of this overdeveloped mind. But just by wearing dresses, or living like hippies, or by taking drugs, you cannot stop this brain thinking. Sahaja Yoga is the only way, and balancing yourself. Also, there are many other things which help you. For example, physical things - you must learn dieting. What diet is needed for that, what exercise is needed for what kind of a thing. Get to it! Now I am going away for a month, you have to work it out. Actually, unless and until you impress others whom you are addressing or whom you are going to meet with that kind of love and that kind of serenity, nobody is going to believe! Secondly, what impresses people the most? Do you know that? What does it impress, even if it is false, impresses people very much? Simplicity. Simplicity of character, of talking of dressing up, simplicity. Even, say, if you are a dandily dressed person, people know you are dandily dressed. Even if you are say wearing a jean and making a thing as if you do not care for a suit and all that, still you are trying to impose something. But if you just wear a normal, simple dress, you dress up in a simple way, absolutely in a normal way, people are amazed at you: how can you be that normal, simple? And the second thing that impresses people is what you have sacrificed for Sahaja Yoga or for anything that you are doing. How much you are dedicated yourself. Not what you have achieved out of it, but what you have sacrificed. That’s very important. This second point is very important: what you have sacrificed. You see, if you read what Indians write or even you people write and all that is there that: Mother has all the comfort of Her own, She has a family of Her own, She has Her grandchildren, but She’s still, She’s so much interested in us. She comes here and She doesn’t mind anything, and She sacrifices all Her time all Her enjoyment for us. She enjoys our company, She wants to be with us. I have many ways by which people get impressed, but you people: try to sacrifice something out of you. While, you have noticed that some of you have been really parasitic. This is another thing which people will be shocked [about]! The gurus also, obviously, they do not show. In the beginning they will show that they are very sacrificing, they have sacrificed their families, they are wearing a kashaya vastra (monks clothes), they have become a sadhu and they have given up everything. All these Llamas have impressed people with that! Of course that’s falsehood, we are not going to take to falsehood. But in our life, if we are sacrificing, doing things for others, every time if you weigh how much they have done...so for example, if I start weighing, “How much the English people have worked out Sahaja Yoga compared to others?” And then I start paying you according to what you have done, giving you that much time as it should be given to you, immediately my work will not give me satisfaction. I can’t, I’m too sincere, I’m too genuine, I just cannot get out of my genuineness or sincerity, I just cannot. You people have that much freedom, I don’t have any of these [freedoms], this is my nature, I just can’t help it. Whether you come up or not, till the last breath of My life I’ll work hard on you, but to make it easier for Me and enjoyable for you, you must try to work in a way where there’s no thinking. You cannot understand me through thinking can you? How far can you go with thinking? Only you’ll go mad! So just don’t think about it. Develop serenity within you. And no superiority complex is needed. You have got realisation, others will also get it. Maybe others may be better than you are today. You will see that dignity and serenity coming in to you once you realise that you are the Spirit. Realisation never means that, from your brain. You see, with my brain if I ‘realise’ that I’m the queen of England, I cannot become! I have to realise within me, means it must actualise within me that I am the queen. It’s an actualisation, it’s not just thinking, just believing into something. It is the nature, the very nature, it should become because actually you are the Spirit, your nature is the Spirit. You are nothing but the Spirit. The time has come for all the manifestation of the Spirit, and all these superficial and silly, stupid things that you are doing through your brain: drop it out! Do not waste your energy. There isn’t much time left. And with this I would like to bless you all that you develop that serenity within you and that affection and honour and respect for yourself, and become that. The way I honour you honour yourself and love yourself and understand yourself. May God bless you all. In India they’ll say, ‘Suck in the vibrations’. Now you will say, “Well, how to suck?” Just become thoughtless, it will go in! Just become thoughtless it will go in. Just try to be thoughtless, you’ll imbibe it. If the thoughts are coming from ego, just tell them, “Be humble, be humble, be humble, ” and they’ll disappear. Because your brain cannot suggest anything to you, sensible. Only your Spirit can manifest. Just tell your mind, “Be humble.” The this relativity will go away that you have to be unique, you are some higher soul and something. All that is nonsense. You have to be the Whole, you have to be in the centre. You see, what happens is that you are in a centre, moving in this direction, alright? Like that. In the centre. And once you try to go to anything extraordinary you go like a tangent outside. You see, you keep to the centrifugal force or I can say the centripetal force. There’s also a centrifugal force acting. Now when you try to go out, anywhere, try to do something exceptional or better and all that, and try to show off or in anyway you try to come out from the whole, you just go like a tangent: and in such a big way that you are amazed how you are left out! And such people then go out of circulation. Better now. Don’t think! But some people do not even soak there feet in the water, do not even meditate. I mean, I don’t know how they are Sahaja Yogis, I just can’t understand. Every day you must soak your feet in the water! Every morning you must beat yourself with shoes. This is a ritual of Sahaja Yoga. But if you do not do it you should not also be killing yourself for that but if you have a chance do it, because that’s how you cleanse. That’s a part. Not by thinking that I’ve done soaking of my feet! I was amazed that some people just do not soak their feet even do not meditate at all, don’t do anything. And they are supposed to be Sahaja Yogis. You see, Sahaja Yogis are to be decided by the Divine, not by if you become ‘members’ of Sahaja Yoga [that] you become Sahaja Yogis. It is to be decided by Divine. People think that, whatever we do, we are Sahaja Yogis. You do not become Sahaja Yogis at all, those who do not meditate. This is our way of life. You see, as in Islamic rules there are that there are Shariat is. Shariat means the style of life. This is our way of life, is to keep ourselves cleansed, how we cleanse ourself, this is bathing ourselves, our, all those things that are filthy within us to take them out and do it. That’s the main thing. Then you’ll be amazed that you won’t be wasting your energy in, say, doing your work. You’ll be doing your work much better because you are wasting all your energy through your brains. Then I don’t have to give explanations, once you become the Spirit. You just enjoy. Alright? It’s good now, it’s working out let it settle down, let your attention be on the Spirit. hmm. Just watch. Agnya is too much. Can you take from My Agnya, right. Thinking you see, is the main point is: too much! Will you go into a ? or something. Better thing would be. Gone up to here. It’s stuck here! You see, your thinking is reducing now. Try to watch your thoughts. Hold each other’s hands and one hand should be outside. Should be left loose one hand. And what you can do is to hold her hand, one hand, and one hand…Good. Better, thinking is going down. Agnya is so sticky. You can’t open the door here is it? Yes, you try to open. What sort of arrangements they have made here? This is all thinking process! Open the door, it’s quite warm today, very warm, open it! What has happened to Cooly, why is he getting into such a big ego? Sahaja Yogi: He could have come earlier but he’s trying to… Shri Mataji: I know, he’s trying to avoid me now. You see, this is the problem. He has ego and you have ego too. You were having a fight? You don’t join hands with him, he’ll be alright. He has been neglecting his work. If you are not properly working, why will people accept you? You must show more sincerity about work and involvement into it. If you do not think you will do it better. Cooly never used to do that. Now suddenly, I don’t know what has happened to him. He has started thinking too much. Don has really not done good to him. Don, please try to now be kind to him and bring him round ,alright? He’s a very old Sahaja Yogi and he should not be just gone out of the circulation. If you don’t work…you see, if you are a good worker then anybody would think, nobody would allow you to get out. On the contrary they’ll say, “Please work for us” But if you are a bad worker they’ll find ways and methods of throwing you out. Same in Sahaja Yoga. If you are genuine, you are simple. God knows [that] you are alright, you’ll be there. If not He’ll thrown you out. He knows everything. You’ll go out. You’ll be amazed how you’ll be thrown out. You are not to fight with each other. And try to understand that unless and until you work with complete devotion [and] dedication nobody’s going to accept you for any work whatsoever. All those people who have come up, even in work field, have been doing things properly. If you try to pull him out John, you are his friend. Try to help each other by telling, “Don’t lose temper, don’t get angry, everything will be alright. Take it easy.” On the contrary if one person says [to] another one things, another one says at a louder voice. You all have not yet know your self-esteem, that’s the main point is. You see, because, if you are born say in a royal family, you would have had some sort of a self-esteem which was artificial. Now you are not born in that kind of family, you are normal people ordinary families. So what? You can be born anywhere. Christ was born in a manger. So what? He never lost his self-esteem. How can Sahaja Yogis fight for like this? I didn’t like it, tell Cooly, and be sober down and be humble. Don’t take the laws of God into your hands. Do not fight. Alright? Where is Peter? Where is he gone? All ego. Where is he, Peter? Sahaja yogi: He’s gone upstairs Mother for something or other. Shri Mataji: Just call him. Get him here. Very egoistical fellow. He’ll get out of the circulation very soon. At the time when people are meditating what is he doing upstairs? And he wants to be the leader of the people! Peter Pierce: Yes Mother? Shri Mataji: Sit down, and hold the hands of people! And you must soak your feet every day, and when you are meditating….you better sit here. And all those who have to be Sahaja Yogis and have to live in this ashram have to soak there feet every night, and have to meditate! Because your egos pass from each other. It’s contamination, complete contamination. Try to humble down. Now take it. Let it pass out. Such a lot of ego you can’t imagine. See. See that? ‘Huk, huk, huk, huk’ it’s going on! You just say that, “Mother, you are our ego. You are the ego.” I am, you are not. You don’t do anything. That will solve the problem. “We don’t do anything, you do everything,” You say like that otherwise it will not. Be humble. And that’s why there are no emotions, nothing. Just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk!!! No feelings, nothing comes up. Be humble! Be humble in your heart. Ah, it’s stuck up all here. See? Somebody come in I don’t know. It’s all hot. See? See that? Sickening, absolutely. And that’s how you catch then Ekadasha Rudra. You know, when ego develops too much you become Ekadasha Rudra problem and that’s the thing which sets in the real place for cancer. Now don’t worry and think that…when I said ‘cancer’ everybody starts thinking, “Have I got?” None of you can have! You see, I know what you think all the time: real foolish things, nothing sensible! If you get cancer, do you think I’ll rest in peace? Hmm, see? See how much ego and useless activity and the smoke of this horrible ego in the brain. Such a lot, still sticking on. See your liver is nourished. What you have to surrender is your ego, means your thinking. If you are thinking open your eyes and say “I forgive, I forgive”. You see, to neutralise your thoughts, use mantras. “Oh Mother, I forgive” even if you take My name is sufficient, it can take out your…Taking My name is very good, helps you a lot. Hmmm, taking My name is the best way of killing your ego I think! Aha, I can see now! You see? In the subtle way everybody thinks that, “Mataji is also like us, so why take Her name?” Take My name, you finish your ego very nicely on that I tell you. I am not [like you], I am very different, absolutely a different person. I’m telling you again and again: don’t be illusioned by Me. You see? I am really an illusion, complete illusion for you, you cannot understand Me. Just take My name and it will work out. Better? Still sticking on here! Now it’s better, isn’t it. Aah, better? All the heat going out. It’s better. Eyesights will improve. Now on the left, it’s coming more on the left. Hmm God bless you. Just one thing you [should] do: to see that you don’t think. Is it very cold outside? Yogi: Yes Mother Shri Mataji: Are you sure? Phillip, when is Bala going to Singapore? Phillip: I’m not sure Mother. Shri Mataji: You find out. Alright? Tell him to give Me a phone before I leave because I have to give him addresses of people whom he has to meet in Singapore. Phillip: Yes Shri Mataji: Because I’ll go away on Thursday. Tell him to come and see Me before that. Phillip: Before this Thursday? Shri Mataji: Hmmm Phillip: Yes Mother Shri Mataji: Means must be Wednesday or something if he can come. Haa. See? It’s clearing out. Better? Do not condemn yourself you see, there should be cheerfulness that it’s clearing out….
9/8/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6714	The Dangers We Face	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	57	“The Dangers We Face”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 8 September 1980 This has been the month of warnings somehow, because certain things I have been seeing in people, how it happens and how people get into problems. How our inner being is disturbed and why sometimes Sahaja Yoga fails within you. One must understand the dangers we face as human beings. No doubt, you are the highest of this Creation. No doubt. For you this Universe was created, for you this Earth was created, no doubt. And today you are at a situation where you have to get out of this illusion. The time has come. Everything is ripe. But on a tree, if you notice the most delicate stage is that of a flower. [The] flower is the most delicate thing. The roots are tough, extremely tough: they penetrate through the land, hardest possible land; they go through different rocks and find their ways. But when it comes to the flower stage, it’s a very, very, delicate stage. Though the whole Creation just waits for that time. The whole tree works it out. And the tree creates that beautiful flower. It’s waiting for that time, that blossom time, when the flowers have to become the fruit. Now that is the time. That precarious time. That beautiful time. That fantastic, dynamic time is here. But we do not know how delicate it is and that’s how we really play too much with ourselves. Before Realisation, you have seen people who have come to me who had terrible mental problems; who were mentally deranged people absolutely epileptic and of serious type. They got cured, they got their Realisation they settled back. You have seen people with cancer, with blood cancer, all kinds of physical troubles: they got their blessings, they got their Realisation, they are settled back. You have seen people from very false gurus who have damaged their being completely, who have been mesmerised, who have been absolutely misled and lynched and have been made into, we can say, just cabbages. Such people also came to Sahaja Yoga and tried and prospered. But again it’s the flower stage, one must not forget. And that is the time one has to be very careful, at the blossom time only. Imagine, the times are so precarious that the gardener has to worry that there should not be a hailstorm. And all the satanic forces have worked up in their fullest form, with their greatest strength, with all their tricks and methods, to curb down the progress of this Creation into its fruitful happening. At such a precarious time one has to be very aware of all the dangers that we can face. The greatest danger comes to people when, after getting Realisation also, they do not have faith in Sahaja Yoga. It’s the greatest danger, because that’s your anchorage, that’s the way you are saved. Say, if there’s a boat, which comes for your rescue, and you are drowning and it rescues you, you see, you can feel it. Those who have not felt, alright, but those who have felt it. You come off the boat and then you do not believe in the boat. You do not have faith in boat. That’s the greatest danger you face. People have faith in all kinds of nonsense very easily. But to believe that you have found the Reality, to believe that you can be saved, is very difficult for people who are all the time drowned and are threatened and frightened. Because the habit is formed to be always drowned, harassed, haunted by fears. So that habit doesn’t go and that comes over and you feel frightened and you lose faith in Sahaja Yoga. Whether you have faith in it or not, it works. It works on people who do not even have faith. Today only I received a very interesting letter from India and a man who is supposed to be something big there. He told me he read an advertisement about Me, that Mataji is going to give Realisation through Kundalini awakening, and he just came just to make fun of the whole thing, to the program. And there, he felt that I was just befooling people, it is not possible, he sat with a very sceptical ideas. But his Kundalini rose and he felt the cool breeze and he felt that calm and everything. He was amazed. I don’t remember, he relays that I came to him and he said, “Mother you are so kind. Despite the fact I came with this kind of idea you gave me Realisation.” Because Indians know what Realisation means. Here people even don’t know that, so the situation is much worse. They know that Realisation means cool breeze, it means you must get cool breeze flowing from you. They know it. You do not know that. So the situation becomes much worse here that the faith in Sahaja Yoga goes. Now this is not blind faith. This is the faith. One is blind faith and another is the faith: means that you have now seen it and now you have faith in it. It’s not like many people, I have seen many people saying, “I believe” and “I believe” and “I believe” Out of what? It’s a thing that you have felt, experienced, you have had it and then you believe it. Of course you are not obliging anybody by having faith. That’s one thing. It’s the grace of God that has really been kind, extremely gracious, to grant this to you. By that you do not oblige God or anybody, nor me. But despite that it’s time. What grace, what grace, what beauty, what love! It happens. But this faith does not settle down. Now the reasons for that are many, but is a very dangerous thing. You can rationalise it. I have seen people who go away, then again come back and they said, “Mother we are sorry, I mean we just doubted you. We went away,” this that, “I started thinking about it and I spoilt it and I lost it, and I said ‘oh it was just temporary,’ I went away.” Why not, once you get Realisation settle down with it for a while? Why not see for yourself what it is? All the gurus who take money and have made a money making proposition out of God - which is absolutely against God, anti-Christ and anti all that is Divine - people stick onto them much more, like leeches. One thing of course there is that they mesmerise. There is no freedom. You cannot get out of them. One thing, I agree. But the second is the money. They get involved with them because they have paid for it and they have to stick onto it, because they have paid for it. And so many people have told me, “Mother you better take money from everybody who comes in and they will stick on!” I mean this is going too far. I have too much respect for humanity. I respect you too much. I do not think you could be that low. I cannot think, [that]. And those who are that low cannot get Realisation also perhaps. Maybe if you get it it’s not worth it, you see. We do not light lamps in paper bags do we? People have to be of some calibre to get Realisation. But the faith, faith in Sahaja Yoga, is the only way you can rise and understand and move and grow with it. The faith has to be so great that nothing should disturb you. Look at these flowers sometimes, how delicate they are. And it rains and sometimes it’s too sunny, especially in London. You don’t know what sort of a climate it is, it’s a funny climate, absolutely! But the flowers, they stand up to that because they have faith in the tree on which they are born. That’s the strength-giving thing. And to know it, fully - so that you love it more and more and imbibe within you more - is the only way you can really establish yourself firmly into the strength of the Divine Power. The understanding of Sahaja Yoga is not mental. I told you [that] yesterday. It’s not mental understanding. You cannot understand it through brains. If you try to understand it through brains, you get away from it. Because you cannot explain how it works out. It’s a miraculous thing. It’s a mystery. It’s a mystery. God is a mystery for man, will remain a mystery to a point, but he can become His power. He can become an instrument of His power. So you cannot comprehend the complete thing through your brains. You cannot even comprehend a little bit through your brains. Only thing is when you see it happening, you see it working out, the effects of that experience which are put on your brain, that gives you faith. How do you have faith in a man? Say there is a man who is very astute, straightforward. You give him ten pounds. He spends nine pounds three pence, returns the rest to you. Then you give some more money. Again he does the same way; he returns all the money that is due. By mistake he forgets, he again comes and says, “This is it.” So you develop that faith in him. It has not come out of your intellectual understanding of the man. A man may be very good, maybe a very great cheat, could be a ‘very fine’ gentleman, very well dressed. Mostly I have seen sometimes when I see these pictures where they show the bank robber, especially the gentleman, is absolutely top class. He wears beautiful lined dresses you see, he walks with an umbrella, straight forward and he’s absolutely, you can see his face and I mean it’s chiselled completely! It’s beautiful figure and extremely innocent face and all that he puts it up, very well, that’s why he can befool! He can befool people very well and he can get things out of them. But, in Sahaja Yoga, when you start feeling it, seeing it, how it works…when you saw this man, seeing the way he works, you have no faith in him anymore. You start seeing how Sahaja Yoga works and then you have faith in it. And that is faith, that is not reasoning. Actually by reasoning you have achieved nothing so far, if you see it properly. For example, you see, all scientific laws, were discovered, were seen, were felt. Even if something comes into my mind by thinking, it could be just an imagination unless and until I see [that] it works. Anything that does not work out doesn’t become a law for us. So for Sahaja Yoga you have to see it. But not with the idea that, “Let me see if it works or not!” That’s not the way. But just the seeing of it and understanding it. If you sit down and reason out Sahaja Yoga you will be lost in wilderness, absolutely! But how it works! I’ll give you a very simple example now. We have got the gentleman here. He wrote a thesis. I don’t know how many years he was working with it. He could not get through it. He had not even made a bond out of it. It’s a very material style of understanding, but still. So he came to me and he said, “Mother now I leave it at your feet and I surrender it to you. Do whatever you please.” So I looked at it. He said, “Are you not going to read it?” I said, “No need to read.” I just put a little bandhan on it. Put my hand there - finished! That’s all. That’s all I did. By next year he was a doctor. He was. How it happens? Today we received another letter from Portugal. There was one fellow, whom we had sent all the articles, everything, but he had certain problems with his sister and mother and all that, so he didn’t want to do much of Sahaja Yoga. And there was another one, who wanted to do it. And he writes to me saying that, “I received everything. I don’t know. He does not know my address. How it has come to me I don’t know. Who has dropped it in my house? I do not know how it has come to me; the address was of that fellow.” And that gentleman who has this address, does not know his address. It’s that mysterious. There are angels. God has many hands, many eyes. He’s God Almighty. He’s very powerful. So, after Sahaja yoga you cannot comprehend Him, you can only see Him at work and you can see His laws working out and you can see it works out. A simple thing: there’s a gentlemen sitting here, now you put your hand on that. There was another case, very recently it happened, one gentlemen came to me and asked me, “Why everybody is asking about my father? What’s the matter?” I said, “Really? They’re all asking about your father?” I went further to tell him about his father and he was surprised. “How do you know?” I said, “I just know.” “But,” he said, “How did they all know that there was something wrong with my father?” I said, “There is a way of finding out. Everybody, even a little child knows there’s something wrong with your father.” So when he put his hands toward that gentleman the Right Heart was catching, everybody’s Right Heart. This is father’s [chakra]. So he asked, “What’s wrong with your father?” Now see the mystery. You see, Sahaja Yogis also take it for granted! See the mystery, the alertness of the vibrations, just think of it, how they work it out, that you just extend the hands at somebody and the vibrations tell you this gentleman is catching the Right Heart. And Mother has told you that it means the father’s problem. That decoding I have done, but what about these? These vibrations they look so silent. Do they think? How do they tell about anyone who may not be here, present. You can tell. And if Sahaja Yogis just start telling about that person that, “This has happened, that has happened, and this person has got this, and that person has got that.” Sitting down here! It’s a tremendous dynamic force which is working it out. But if you have no faith, then the same vibrations know that you have no faith. They know you out and out, absolutely out and out. They know you too well. It is they only who play around with you and put you into problems so that you realise that you have been trying to cheat yourself. You are cheating your own Spirit. You are not truthful to your Self. And it would be like taking a dagger and putting it through and being very happy, “Oh how I have cheated myself!” It’s that foolish and stupid! I tell you. They know you too well. And they just take you round and put you into a problem to realise that, “Do not cheat anymore!” These dangers are there for all the people who get Realisation. And the, another, realisation one should have, when you see others around here, the kind of people that come in. All kinds of people have come. And when you start judging them also you should know that if you become like that, you will also have the same problem. Even after Realisation possibly. For example some people start suddenly sulking in Sahaja Yoga, say, after Realisation, for nothing at all. They should be, very aware of it, immediately give it up and become cheerful. Is there a negative force pulling them down to sulk? First sign of being a Sahaja Yogi is to have a very cheerful disposition. Look at the flowers, look at them. Have you ever seen any flower, which is not dead, not cheerful? If they are, even at the fag-end of their life, they’ll try to cheer you. That is the first sign, and all such signs should be expressed, not artificially, but really spontaneously, from within and nothing should disturb you which is trivial, useless. If you have faith in Sahaja Yoga, then you must know you are here for a tremendous work of human emancipation. You have a very great responsibility. You represent that part of Creation which is the most important, the most vital. And if you fail it, it’s absolutely fatal also. All this works out in such a manner that it builds up tremendous sense of security within you, that you know you are standing on the Truth. Hold it with both your hands. You’ll grow on it. You’ll enjoy yourself. Life will be so much better, much more beautiful. And it is only through you [that] the whole world is going to be saved. So strengthen yourself, strengthen your arms and strengthen your feet. The faith is the strength of Sahaja Yoga, not the brainwaves that you have about it. Of course, you need it sometimes to argue with some intellectuals, you see, as I have told Gregoire to write the last two chapters (of The Advent) for all these Rock of Gibraltars (egoists). But, for you the greatest thing is the faith, to enjoy it, because you have seen it, you have known it, you have found it. It is with you! You are the master of it! It is at your service, and so beautiful, so loving and so kind. Maybe today is the last day, I’m here. I’m going now. I may not be here for one and a half months or so. I hope so, I’ll be back, by the 17th of October or so. Whatever it is, even if I am away or anything, Sahaja Yoga exists everywhere. Within you it is working, without you it is working, everywhere it is working. So you see for yourself. To see it you have to go and see people and meet them and talk to them and find it out how it works. And develop that faith that gives you the sense of security. There are so many ways of cleansing yourself, which you know, you can find out. Meet each other. As many times as you can, call each other for tea, meet each other. Go around England. I was thinking when I’m out it would be better that you go round to different centres, meet people, get organised, get more people, tell them, talk to them about it and do something. But they’ll judge you by your faith. And when you have found out the Reality, the faith should be much greater than any of these fanatics have, any of these nonsensical people have. But for faith you must have the quality. Only people of quality can have that kind of faith, not ordinary people. They’ll fall off. All the flowers do not get transformed into the fruit state. You are transformed into fruit state. But all the fruits do not come up to their maturity because they lack faith, the strength. Gather up your strength. It’s all behind you. It is within you. It’s around you. Everywhere there is light, within and without. Try to work it out properly. Do not condemn yourself or condemn others, but know that you are something that you are standing on the Truth. And you are in for the Kingdom of God, which is promised to you, which you are in already walking in that. You are settled in there, just enjoy that beauty. May God bless you. Is there any water for me? Water? Now I would like now to know how many new people are there, and, yes, just come forward, those who are new, and we’ll have a look at them. Those who have come for the first time please come in. And then I would suggest, that those who come for the first time, must… please come…must get to it, you see. It’s a serious matter, it’s not just a shopping centre. It’s not guru shopping. It is your own shopping I should say, it’s your own being. So, take to it seriously and work it out properly. Ask others. Not that in any way they are higher or lower. Only thing, they got their Realisation before you came to me. So it’s alright, doesn’t matter. They’ll tell you what is to be done. In Sahaja Yoga there is no restriction, there is no compulsion, there is no membership I can say. There is no way of allying you with Sahaja Yoga No nothing. It’s your freedom, complete freedom. Your freedom is to be worshipped and to be respected. If you have to achieve the highest of the highest, you have to be absolutely free because that is the complete freedom you have to achieve. So nobody is going to force you to do anything or compel you to do anything. No. You are left alone to yourself. No doubt, there is a Kundalini within you which rises and there is, in every human being, a possibility of achieving Realisation. Every human being should receive Realisation. But it’s a real work, it’s a living work, and living work takes time. If you people are of that calibre, you will become great fruits of this Creation. I will work as much as I can to keep you up there, all my level best. I’ve worked very hard and I’ll always work, and all of them are willing to help you out. They have no problem. You too become like them, very soon. Now about Kundalini I must have spoken I don’t know how many times, and there are lots of tapes with us. It’s all again intellectual feat, you see? Let’s see if the light is there. Let us see the light, then we’ll talk about it, isn’t it? I mean, if I have to put the lights on I have to just press the button. That’s what it is, really, because it’s all built-in. Once it happens to you, then you [can] ask me about the engineering, it’s better, than to have the headache before and then the light. So let’s work it out that way Then, later on, you can go through, you can find out for yourself how it works, what is the system that works it out, what is God’s plan for us, everything. Gradually, you see it for yourself that this is the baptism that is promised to you, this is the real re-birth that has been prophesised before, this is the time that is promised that somebody will come and do this job for you. And it is here that you receive it. No religion is to be condemned because they are different steps in your growth, but, you should know what is real and what is unreal. That’s very important. Once you learn this science of God’s ways, then you start talking about it. Before that, you just see for yourself. Be just witnesses and achieve something out of it and make the best. May God bless you all. Now let’s have the feet like that straight, yes. Just like that. Just like that, yes. And put your hands towards me. For anything small just do not get disturbed. Keep your eyes shut. If you can put your hands on the lap it’s alright, because you’ll be comfortable. Be comfortable. If you have any discomfort in the stomach or anything tightness you can loosen it. And it’s for your comfort only. I want you to be comfortable. That one thing is, that you should be comfortable bodily. Though the Kundalini’s such a sweet thing, She’s your Mother, and She rises without giving any trouble. Now close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Everyone. “Aank ke band kar lijiye” (Hindi: close your eyes) Now there are some centres within us, they might get a little obstructed, supposing you feel guilty for nothing at all. I mean there’s nothing to feel guilty you see. You are facing somebody who is love, so how can you feel guilty before such a person who is just love? So have no guilt of any kind. Then you have to forgive. You have to forgive all the people. Not to bear any bitterness just now, just forgive, because by bearing that bitterness you really embitter yourself, you do not torture the other person. And lastly you have to ask for forgiveness, if you have done any mistake by ignorance or anything. You just ask for simple forgiveness. All the obstructions can be overcome by the rising Kundalini. She does that. Just relax. It will happen by itself. You are not to do anything. Keep your attention absolutely loose, if there are thoughts, let them come, don’t worry, they will stop themselves. You don’t have to stop them. Do not put in any effort, just leave it alone. It will work out. It will just rise and work it out. You just leave it alone. Suddenly the thoughts stop. But you are aware, you are not sleeping. You are not in a trance or anything you are absolutely aware. But you reach a point where there are no thoughts. But do not try to do that. Do not try to do that. And when the Kundalini pierces the fontanel bone area, the talu, you start getting cool breeze in the hands. In both the hands you start getting cool breeze and also from your head, you start getting cool breeze. First the hot breeze, I think (laughing), and then the cool breeze, for many people. It happens like that, doesn’t matter. Good! You see? You can feel it on his head, here. You have a breathing trouble have you? Do you have a breathing problem normally? Do you have any breathing trouble? Seeker: No, I’m just breathing. Shri Mataji: Hmm? No just don’t breathe. Just leave it alone. Don’t you think it is too much breathing or is it automatically it happens? Happening automatically. This never happens before? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: It never happened before you say? Hmm? You have been to some guru or someone? Close your eyes. You are alright. You don’t pay attention to him you pay to yourself alright? Are you alright? Are you feeling? Are you feeling hot on the right (hand)? Eh? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Can you sit there? Would be better nearby. Just look at her not that. Ann, just look after her. Please sit down. You’re alright. Now what about her? Where is she? After 10, 15 minutes her vibrations will be alright. Colin, can you see the vibrations of this gentleman here? What about these Indians who have come? Can you see their vibrations? This gentleman. This gentleman. There are two ladies there. Are you alright now better? Good. Just can you come up to tie up the Kundalini? You come and help. What’s the matter with his heart? Keep your eyes open. You have done some breathing exercises? No? You have not been to any guru or spiritualist or anyone? You never get this trouble normally? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: No? Come here. I’ll just talk to you and it will be alright. Come here can you come here please? Just come here. Just get up, by Me, come. Come down. Come forward; come forward sit, come here sit down. Can you sit on the ground? Alright. Be comfortable. You have not been to any guru? Sure? Then what is the sense of insecurity you have? You have some sense of insecurity, what is it? You are not well? Yes, you had some mental trouble. Did you? You had? What is the problem, tell me. Have you got some lemons with you? Alright. You are not well? Seeker: I’m fine Shri Mataji: You are alright? Seeker: I’m fine Shri Mataji: Keep good health? What work do you do? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Hmm? Seeker: Can you feel it? Shri Mataji: No, what work do you do? You tell me. What work do you do? No work? Seeker: I do nothing. Shri Mataji: Do nothing? Seeker: Nothing. Shri Mataji: Why? Your living off dole. Just relax, just hold it in your hands. You don’t do any work at all? You never get this? You’re not well?	null	null	null	“The Dangers We Face”, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 8 September 1980 This has been the month of warnings somehow, because certain things I have been seeing in people, how it happens and how people get into problems. How our inner being is disturbed and why sometimes Sahaja Yoga fails within you. One must understand the dangers we face as human beings. No doubt, you are the highest of this Creation. No doubt. For you this Universe was created, for you this Earth was created, no doubt. And today you are at a situation where you have to get out of this illusion. The time has come. Everything is ripe. But on a tree, if you notice the most delicate stage is that of a flower. [The] flower is the most delicate thing. The roots are tough, extremely tough: they penetrate through the land, hardest possible land; they go through different rocks and find their ways. But when it comes to the flower stage, it’s a very, very, delicate stage. Though the whole Creation just waits for that time. The whole tree works it out. And the tree creates that beautiful flower. It’s waiting for that time, that blossom time, when the flowers have to become the fruit. Now that is the time. That precarious time. That beautiful time. That fantastic, dynamic time is here. But we do not know how delicate it is and that’s how we really play too much with ourselves. Before Realisation, you have seen people who have come to me who had terrible mental problems; who were mentally deranged people absolutely epileptic and of serious type. They got cured, they got their Realisation they settled back. You have seen people with cancer, with blood cancer, all kinds of physical troubles: they got their blessings, they got their Realisation, they are settled back. You have seen people from very false gurus who have damaged their being completely, who have been mesmerised, who have been absolutely misled and lynched and have been made into, we can say, just cabbages. Such people also came to Sahaja Yoga and tried and prospered. But again it’s the flower stage, one must not forget. And that is the time one has to be very careful, at the blossom time only. Imagine, the times are so precarious that the gardener has to worry that there should not be a hailstorm. And all the satanic forces have worked up in their fullest form, with their greatest strength, with all their tricks and methods, to curb down the progress of this Creation into its fruitful happening. At such a precarious time one has to be very aware of all the dangers that we can face. The greatest danger comes to people when, after getting Realisation also, they do not have faith in Sahaja Yoga. It’s the greatest danger, because that’s your anchorage, that’s the way you are saved. Say, if there’s a boat, which comes for your rescue, and you are drowning and it rescues you, you see, you can feel it. Those who have not felt, alright, but those who have felt it. You come off the boat and then you do not believe in the boat. You do not have faith in boat. That’s the greatest danger you face. People have faith in all kinds of nonsense very easily. But to believe that you have found the Reality, to believe that you can be saved, is very difficult for people who are all the time drowned and are threatened and frightened. Because the habit is formed to be always drowned, harassed, haunted by fears. So that habit doesn’t go and that comes over and you feel frightened and you lose faith in Sahaja Yoga. Whether you have faith in it or not, it works. It works on people who do not even have faith. Today only I received a very interesting letter from India and a man who is supposed to be something big there. He told me he read an advertisement about Me, that Mataji is going to give Realisation through Kundalini awakening, and he just came just to make fun of the whole thing, to the program. And there, he felt that I was just befooling people, it is not possible, he sat with a very sceptical ideas. But his Kundalini rose and he felt the cool breeze and he felt that calm and everything. He was amazed. I don’t remember, he relays that I came to him and he said, “Mother you are so kind. Despite the fact I came with this kind of idea you gave me Realisation.” Because Indians know what Realisation means. Here people even don’t know that, so the situation is much worse. They know that Realisation means cool breeze, it means you must get cool breeze flowing from you. They know it. You do not know that. So the situation becomes much worse here that the faith in Sahaja Yoga goes. Now this is not blind faith. This is the faith. One is blind faith and another is the faith: means that you have now seen it and now you have faith in it. It’s not like many people, I have seen many people saying, “I believe” and “I believe” and “I believe” Out of what? It’s a thing that you have felt, experienced, you have had it and then you believe it. Of course you are not obliging anybody by having faith. That’s one thing. It’s the grace of God that has really been kind, extremely gracious, to grant this to you. By that you do not oblige God or anybody, nor me. But despite that it’s time. What grace, what grace, what beauty, what love! It happens. But this faith does not settle down. Now the reasons for that are many, but is a very dangerous thing. You can rationalise it. I have seen people who go away, then again come back and they said, “Mother we are sorry, I mean we just doubted you. We went away,” this that, “I started thinking about it and I spoilt it and I lost it, and I said ‘oh it was just temporary,’ I went away.” Why not, once you get Realisation settle down with it for a while? Why not see for yourself what it is? All the gurus who take money and have made a money making proposition out of God - which is absolutely against God, anti-Christ and anti all that is Divine - people stick onto them much more, like leeches. One thing of course there is that they mesmerise. There is no freedom. You cannot get out of them. One thing, I agree. But the second is the money. They get involved with them because they have paid for it and they have to stick onto it, because they have paid for it. And so many people have told me, “Mother you better take money from everybody who comes in and they will stick on!” I mean this is going too far. I have too much respect for humanity. I respect you too much. I do not think you could be that low. I cannot think, [that]. And those who are that low cannot get Realisation also perhaps. Maybe if you get it it’s not worth it, you see. We do not light lamps in paper bags do we? People have to be of some calibre to get Realisation. But the faith, faith in Sahaja Yoga, is the only way you can rise and understand and move and grow with it. The faith has to be so great that nothing should disturb you. Look at these flowers sometimes, how delicate they are. And it rains and sometimes it’s too sunny, especially in London. You don’t know what sort of a climate it is, it’s a funny climate, absolutely! But the flowers, they stand up to that because they have faith in the tree on which they are born. That’s the strength-giving thing. And to know it, fully - so that you love it more and more and imbibe within you more - is the only way you can really establish yourself firmly into the strength of the Divine Power. The understanding of Sahaja Yoga is not mental. I told you [that] yesterday. It’s not mental understanding. You cannot understand it through brains. If you try to understand it through brains, you get away from it. Because you cannot explain how it works out. It’s a miraculous thing. It’s a mystery. It’s a mystery. God is a mystery for man, will remain a mystery to a point, but he can become His power. He can become an instrument of His power. So you cannot comprehend the complete thing through your brains. You cannot even comprehend a little bit through your brains. Only thing is when you see it happening, you see it working out, the effects of that experience which are put on your brain, that gives you faith. How do you have faith in a man? Say there is a man who is very astute, straightforward. You give him ten pounds. He spends nine pounds three pence, returns the rest to you. Then you give some more money. Again he does the same way; he returns all the money that is due. By mistake he forgets, he again comes and says, “This is it.” So you develop that faith in him. It has not come out of your intellectual understanding of the man. A man may be very good, maybe a very great cheat, could be a ‘very fine’ gentleman, very well dressed. Mostly I have seen sometimes when I see these pictures where they show the bank robber, especially the gentleman, is absolutely top class. He wears beautiful lined dresses you see, he walks with an umbrella, straight forward and he’s absolutely, you can see his face and I mean it’s chiselled completely! It’s beautiful figure and extremely innocent face and all that he puts it up, very well, that’s why he can befool! He can befool people very well and he can get things out of them. But, in Sahaja Yoga, when you start feeling it, seeing it, how it works…when you saw this man, seeing the way he works, you have no faith in him anymore. You start seeing how Sahaja Yoga works and then you have faith in it. And that is faith, that is not reasoning. Actually by reasoning you have achieved nothing so far, if you see it properly. For example, you see, all scientific laws, were discovered, were seen, were felt. Even if something comes into my mind by thinking, it could be just an imagination unless and until I see [that] it works. Anything that does not work out doesn’t become a law for us. So for Sahaja Yoga you have to see it. But not with the idea that, “Let me see if it works or not!” That’s not the way. But just the seeing of it and understanding it. If you sit down and reason out Sahaja Yoga you will be lost in wilderness, absolutely! But how it works! I’ll give you a very simple example now. We have got the gentleman here. He wrote a thesis. I don’t know how many years he was working with it. He could not get through it. He had not even made a bond out of it. It’s a very material style of understanding, but still. So he came to me and he said, “Mother now I leave it at your feet and I surrender it to you. Do whatever you please.” So I looked at it. He said, “Are you not going to read it?” I said, “No need to read.” I just put a little bandhan on it. Put my hand there - finished! That’s all. That’s all I did. By next year he was a doctor. He was. How it happens? Today we received another letter from Portugal. There was one fellow, whom we had sent all the articles, everything, but he had certain problems with his sister and mother and all that, so he didn’t want to do much of Sahaja Yoga. And there was another one, who wanted to do it. And he writes to me saying that, “I received everything. I don’t know. He does not know my address. How it has come to me I don’t know. Who has dropped it in my house? I do not know how it has come to me; the address was of that fellow.” And that gentleman who has this address, does not know his address. It’s that mysterious. There are angels. God has many hands, many eyes. He’s God Almighty. He’s very powerful. So, after Sahaja yoga you cannot comprehend Him, you can only see Him at work and you can see His laws working out and you can see it works out. A simple thing: there’s a gentlemen sitting here, now you put your hand on that. There was another case, very recently it happened, one gentlemen came to me and asked me, “Why everybody is asking about my father? What’s the matter?” I said, “Really? They’re all asking about your father?” I went further to tell him about his father and he was surprised. “How do you know?” I said, “I just know.” “But,” he said, “How did they all know that there was something wrong with my father?” I said, “There is a way of finding out. Everybody, even a little child knows there’s something wrong with your father.” So when he put his hands toward that gentleman the Right Heart was catching, everybody’s Right Heart. This is father’s [chakra]. So he asked, “What’s wrong with your father?” Now see the mystery. You see, Sahaja Yogis also take it for granted! See the mystery, the alertness of the vibrations, just think of it, how they work it out, that you just extend the hands at somebody and the vibrations tell you this gentleman is catching the Right Heart. And Mother has told you that it means the father’s problem. That decoding I have done, but what about these? These vibrations they look so silent. Do they think? How do they tell about anyone who may not be here, present. You can tell. And if Sahaja Yogis just start telling about that person that, “This has happened, that has happened, and this person has got this, and that person has got that.” Sitting down here! It’s a tremendous dynamic force which is working it out. But if you have no faith, then the same vibrations know that you have no faith. They know you out and out, absolutely out and out. They know you too well. It is they only who play around with you and put you into problems so that you realise that you have been trying to cheat yourself. You are cheating your own Spirit. You are not truthful to your Self. And it would be like taking a dagger and putting it through and being very happy, “Oh how I have cheated myself!” It’s that foolish and stupid! I tell you. They know you too well. And they just take you round and put you into a problem to realise that, “Do not cheat anymore!” These dangers are there for all the people who get Realisation. And the, another, realisation one should have, when you see others around here, the kind of people that come in. All kinds of people have come. And when you start judging them also you should know that if you become like that, you will also have the same problem. Even after Realisation possibly. For example some people start suddenly sulking in Sahaja Yoga, say, after Realisation, for nothing at all. They should be, very aware of it, immediately give it up and become cheerful. Is there a negative force pulling them down to sulk? First sign of being a Sahaja Yogi is to have a very cheerful disposition. Look at the flowers, look at them. Have you ever seen any flower, which is not dead, not cheerful? If they are, even at the fag-end of their life, they’ll try to cheer you. That is the first sign, and all such signs should be expressed, not artificially, but really spontaneously, from within and nothing should disturb you which is trivial, useless. If you have faith in Sahaja Yoga, then you must know you are here for a tremendous work of human emancipation. You have a very great responsibility. You represent that part of Creation which is the most important, the most vital. And if you fail it, it’s absolutely fatal also. All this works out in such a manner that it builds up tremendous sense of security within you, that you know you are standing on the Truth. Hold it with both your hands. You’ll grow on it. You’ll enjoy yourself. Life will be so much better, much more beautiful. And it is only through you [that] the whole world is going to be saved. So strengthen yourself, strengthen your arms and strengthen your feet. The faith is the strength of Sahaja Yoga, not the brainwaves that you have about it. Of course, you need it sometimes to argue with some intellectuals, you see, as I have told Gregoire to write the last two chapters (of The Advent) for all these Rock of Gibraltars (egoists). But, for you the greatest thing is the faith, to enjoy it, because you have seen it, you have known it, you have found it. It is with you! You are the master of it! It is at your service, and so beautiful, so loving and so kind. Maybe today is the last day, I’m here. I’m going now. I may not be here for one and a half months or so. I hope so, I’ll be back, by the 17th of October or so. Whatever it is, even if I am away or anything, Sahaja Yoga exists everywhere. Within you it is working, without you it is working, everywhere it is working. So you see for yourself. To see it you have to go and see people and meet them and talk to them and find it out how it works. And develop that faith that gives you the sense of security. There are so many ways of cleansing yourself, which you know, you can find out. Meet each other. As many times as you can, call each other for tea, meet each other. Go around England. I was thinking when I’m out it would be better that you go round to different centres, meet people, get organised, get more people, tell them, talk to them about it and do something. But they’ll judge you by your faith. And when you have found out the Reality, the faith should be much greater than any of these fanatics have, any of these nonsensical people have. But for faith you must have the quality. Only people of quality can have that kind of faith, not ordinary people. They’ll fall off. All the flowers do not get transformed into the fruit state. You are transformed into fruit state. But all the fruits do not come up to their maturity because they lack faith, the strength. Gather up your strength. It’s all behind you. It is within you. It’s around you. Everywhere there is light, within and without. Try to work it out properly. Do not condemn yourself or condemn others, but know that you are something that you are standing on the Truth. And you are in for the Kingdom of God, which is promised to you, which you are in already walking in that. You are settled in there, just enjoy that beauty. May God bless you. Is there any water for me? Water? Now I would like now to know how many new people are there, and, yes, just come forward, those who are new, and we’ll have a look at them. Those who have come for the first time please come in. And then I would suggest, that those who come for the first time, must… please come…must get to it, you see. It’s a serious matter, it’s not just a shopping centre. It’s not guru shopping. It is your own shopping I should say, it’s your own being. So, take to it seriously and work it out properly. Ask others. Not that in any way they are higher or lower. Only thing, they got their Realisation before you came to me. So it’s alright, doesn’t matter. They’ll tell you what is to be done. In Sahaja Yoga there is no restriction, there is no compulsion, there is no membership I can say. There is no way of allying you with Sahaja Yoga No nothing. It’s your freedom, complete freedom. Your freedom is to be worshipped and to be respected. If you have to achieve the highest of the highest, you have to be absolutely free because that is the complete freedom you have to achieve. So nobody is going to force you to do anything or compel you to do anything. No. You are left alone to yourself. No doubt, there is a Kundalini within you which rises and there is, in every human being, a possibility of achieving Realisation. Every human being should receive Realisation. But it’s a real work, it’s a living work, and living work takes time. If you people are of that calibre, you will become great fruits of this Creation. I will work as much as I can to keep you up there, all my level best. I’ve worked very hard and I’ll always work, and all of them are willing to help you out. They have no problem. You too become like them, very soon. Now about Kundalini I must have spoken I don’t know how many times, and there are lots of tapes with us. It’s all again intellectual feat, you see? Let’s see if the light is there. Let us see the light, then we’ll talk about it, isn’t it? I mean, if I have to put the lights on I have to just press the button. That’s what it is, really, because it’s all built-in. Once it happens to you, then you [can] ask me about the engineering, it’s better, than to have the headache before and then the light. So let’s work it out that way Then, later on, you can go through, you can find out for yourself how it works, what is the system that works it out, what is God’s plan for us, everything. Gradually, you see it for yourself that this is the baptism that is promised to you, this is the real re-birth that has been prophesised before, this is the time that is promised that somebody will come and do this job for you. And it is here that you receive it. No religion is to be condemned because they are different steps in your growth, but, you should know what is real and what is unreal. That’s very important. Once you learn this science of God’s ways, then you start talking about it. Before that, you just see for yourself. Be just witnesses and achieve something out of it and make the best. May God bless you all. Now let’s have the feet like that straight, yes. Just like that. Just like that, yes. And put your hands towards me. For anything small just do not get disturbed. Keep your eyes shut. If you can put your hands on the lap it’s alright, because you’ll be comfortable. Be comfortable. If you have any discomfort in the stomach or anything tightness you can loosen it. And it’s for your comfort only. I want you to be comfortable. That one thing is, that you should be comfortable bodily. Though the Kundalini’s such a sweet thing, She’s your Mother, and She rises without giving any trouble. Now close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Everyone. “Aank ke band kar lijiye” (Hindi: close your eyes) Now there are some centres within us, they might get a little obstructed, supposing you feel guilty for nothing at all. I mean there’s nothing to feel guilty you see. You are facing somebody who is love, so how can you feel guilty before such a person who is just love? So have no guilt of any kind. Then you have to forgive. You have to forgive all the people. Not to bear any bitterness just now, just forgive, because by bearing that bitterness you really embitter yourself, you do not torture the other person. And lastly you have to ask for forgiveness, if you have done any mistake by ignorance or anything. You just ask for simple forgiveness. All the obstructions can be overcome by the rising Kundalini. She does that. Just relax. It will happen by itself. You are not to do anything. Keep your attention absolutely loose, if there are thoughts, let them come, don’t worry, they will stop themselves. You don’t have to stop them. Do not put in any effort, just leave it alone. It will work out. It will just rise and work it out. You just leave it alone. Suddenly the thoughts stop. But you are aware, you are not sleeping. You are not in a trance or anything you are absolutely aware. But you reach a point where there are no thoughts. But do not try to do that. Do not try to do that. And when the Kundalini pierces the fontanel bone area, the talu, you start getting cool breeze in the hands. In both the hands you start getting cool breeze and also from your head, you start getting cool breeze. First the hot breeze, I think (laughing), and then the cool breeze, for many people. It happens like that, doesn’t matter. Good! You see? You can feel it on his head, here. You have a breathing trouble have you? Do you have a breathing problem normally? Do you have any breathing trouble? Seeker: No, I’m just breathing. Shri Mataji: Hmm? No just don’t breathe. Just leave it alone. Don’t you think it is too much breathing or is it automatically it happens? Happening automatically. This never happens before? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: It never happened before you say? Hmm? You have been to some guru or someone? Close your eyes. You are alright. You don’t pay attention to him you pay to yourself alright? Are you alright? Are you feeling? Are you feeling hot on the right (hand)? Eh? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Can you sit there? Would be better nearby. Just look at her not that. Ann, just look after her. Please sit down. You’re alright. Now what about her? Where is she? After 10, 15 minutes her vibrations will be alright. Colin, can you see the vibrations of this gentleman here? What about these Indians who have come? Can you see their vibrations? This gentleman. This gentleman. There are two ladies there. Are you alright now better? Good. Just can you come up to tie up the Kundalini? You come and help. What’s the matter with his heart? Keep your eyes open. You have done some breathing exercises? No? You have not been to any guru or spiritualist or anyone? You never get this trouble normally? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: No? Come here. I’ll just talk to you and it will be alright. Come here can you come here please? Just come here. Just get up, by Me, come. Come down. Come forward; come forward sit, come here sit down. Can you sit on the ground? Alright. Be comfortable. You have not been to any guru? Sure? Then what is the sense of insecurity you have? You have some sense of insecurity, what is it? You are not well? Yes, you had some mental trouble. Did you? You had? What is the problem, tell me. Have you got some lemons with you? Alright. You are not well? Seeker: I’m fine Shri Mataji: You are alright? Seeker: I’m fine Shri Mataji: Keep good health? What work do you do? Seeker: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Hmm? Seeker: Can you feel it? Shri Mataji: No, what work do you do? You tell me. What work do you do? No work? Seeker: I do nothing. Shri Mataji: Do nothing? Seeker: Nothing. Shri Mataji: Why? Your living off dole. Just relax, just hold it in your hands. You don’t do any work at all? You never get this? You’re not well?
9/17/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=20860	The belief that you have got through experiences is the real belief	France	Paris	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	61	H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 1980-0917 Public Program Talk Day 3, Paris, France Today is the last day in Paris and I’ll try to sum up the subject of Sahaja Yoga as far as possible. (Can you hear over there?) Yesterday I told you about the chakras within us, which are the subtle centres, which are existing. Before understanding the whole subject we must understand the attitude that is going to help us to understand this subtle subject. For example this is not a political lecture. It is neither a sermon to you but it is an exposition of a discovery, for which you should not deny because you do not know about it. The attitude should be that you still have to know. This subject has not been discussed or has not been told in these way that people could get an experience. Supposing I describe to you the art of one of the Indian temples? You have read something about it and I describe you something else then of course you can say that this is not so because you believe in one person and not in another. Most of your beliefs are blind beliefs and you stick on to them because maybe you have paid for it or you have read it. The belief that you have got through experiences is the real belief. That kind of a belief you should seek. Dealing with spirituality also there have been thousands and thousands of writers. Thank God I have not yet written anything. But there have been writers who have written about spirituality who have experienced it. I would say they were the people who were self realized. And, there are writers who have not been realized and have not experienced or the experience they have had was not of realization but of something else. The understanding of this subject is only possible properly also if you are a self realized soul. Otherwise you cannot understand it fully. For example if you do not have a microscope and I describe to you something about microscopic vision you won’t understand it unless and until you see it. Now Gregoire has already told you that we have this power called as the Kundalini in our Sacrum Bone. This is the residual energy God has placed within us for our Self Realization. It is the second birth. It is the Baptism. You can say like an egg we are, indulging in our ego and superego, absolutely calcified. When you come to a certain point of maturity this has to break, the mother bird breaks the egg and the bird comes out. Surprisingly in Sanskrit language a bird is called as Dwijaha and a self realized soul is also called as Dwijaha because dwijaha means twice born. That means they’re Brahmin but later on this word got absolutely spoilt and we now have professional brahmins. It’s absolutely a misnomer now. This Kundalini rises from here as you see and pierces the six centres, the last one being here, known as the Sahasrara. This hole that She creates, is the, in your childhood you have a soft bone, it again becomes exactly a soft bone. This piercing takes place at a point called as Brahma-randhra. Brahmarandhra. This means, the-hole-in-the-divine-power. It means through this we are connected to the divine power. Now you can sit down and say just like a politician, how can that be? But you see so, as I have told you yesterday that God has made you in His own image and that He is not going to allow for His creation to be destroyed. He has already made this inside you, this instrument inside you beautifully. In so many cases you can see the Kundalini pulsating in this (Sacrum) bone, clearly, with your naked eyes. You can also see the rising of the energy in your backbone. With the stethoscope you can hear the lab-dab of the Kundalini. But when it reaches here you can clearly hear the throbbing. When the throbbing stops then you start feeling the cool breeze blowing into your hands. This is the seat (Fontanelle) of the Spirit but he exists, he exists in the heart and the information goes to the Spirit and then this cool breeze starts flowing through the Parasympathetic Nervous System. On your Central Nervous System you start feeling the Spirit for the first time. We do not realize how beautifully God has created us. We take Him for granted and take ourselves for granted. If you cut the brain, transversely, you can see it looks like a lotus, in its design, of many petals. It is said that there are thousand petals encircling the Limbic area. I have seen it. It has many colours. They are like living flames. It is said in the Bible that ‘I will appear before you like tongues of flames’. These are the tongues of flames. Now by reading Bible can you explain what are these ‘tongues of flames’ that God is going to appear? There is a description of Tree of Fire. This is the Tree of Fire within us and the Vibrations are the Water of Life. Sahaja Yoga explains all the scriptures as an experience not only mentally. It explains the Koran. It explains the Gita. It explains the Upanishadas. Of course, it explains the Bible. The time has come for us to know the truth and to prove it. So far we have been told but nobody has been able to prove it. That is why I am here before you. This is the last centre, which we have to cross. It’s called as the Sahasrara meaning one-thousand-petals-centre. It is surrounded by another centre called as Ekadesha Rudra. It’s the last incarnation that is going to come on this Earth. This incarnation is going to destroy everything that is unnecessary. It is not going to persuade you. It is not going to request you. It is not going to give you Self Realization. The Last Judgment has already started. Kundalini Awakening is the only way you are going to be judged. God is not going to put you into a balance to see how much you weigh. He’s going to raise your Kundalini and He’s going to know what’s the problem with your chakras. He’s going to know what you have been hankering after. He’s going to know what harm you have done to yourself and to the society. But the judgment is compassionate. It judges and corrects, helps you to improve, gives you a very, very patient understanding and attendance, it tries to explain in everyway that your brain can understand, tries to explain all your funny identifications and to remove them, it sees all the stupidities you have been doing, all the foolish things you have been indulging into. It cleanses. It cures you of all these things. It pardons you. It removes even the little guilt you might be involved in. It is purity but it is not afraid of your impurities. Don’t be afraid of this. It loves you. It is going to judge you in the most unique loving way before getting into the problem of Ekadesha Rudra. The manifestations of that has already started as cancer disease. That’s the minimum. That is not as you call it as a sin but going to the extremes into things. First of all Sahaja Yoga cures your cancer. It absolutely can cure you of your cancer. It can cure most of the incurable diseases. But it is not interested in curing like hospitals have. Those who want to get Self Realization, as a by-product get completely cured physical(ly). Of course as I told you your mental and emotional problems are also solved. The emotional problems come to you from this Power of Desire, which creates your conditionings and ultimately your Superego. This is your past. Those people who indulge too much in their past, cross the limits and go into the Collective Subconscious and as a result the Collective Subconscious comes on them. Now it has been accepted by so many doctors who are doing research in cancer that there is an attack that comes from unknown areas within us. But they don’t know what are these areas and the attack of the virus, what is the nature of them. They are some compositions of protein they call it. They do not know more than that. Actually all of our scientists can only give names to things that they find out. If they find out that Earth is pulling you down they call it gravity but they don’t know why there is gravity and how it is there. Through Sahaja Yoga we will know the why and how of everything. Now all collective problems come to us because of this left side, over active, and that is how our mental problems come in, actually, emotional problems come in. Many people also call it mental problems, they’re confused, so we can call it a mental problem or emotional problem it’s the same. But the mental problem is from the other side called as the Ego problem. The psychologists talk of the left side problems, of the psyche, about the conditionings but they did not know that if you try to decondition you do it through your Ego. If you try to decondition yourself you do it through your Ego. So while deconditioning you, you pump up your Ego. That pressure (unintelligible). You have no instrument to cleanse yourself. If you try to pay attention to your psyche you have to use your Ego. The Ego can bloat completely here, and occupies the whole of the brain, pressing the superego like a pin. This is what happens in the developing countries, developed countries. They work very hard to develop, created all the plastics and junk, mountains and mountains of broken cars, and then their Ego got so big, bloated they got tired and they got frightened of it. Like they created the Atom Bomb and now they are frightened of it. They created a devil and now they don’t know how to save themselves. Now this Mr. Ego, when it pumps up, you have certain expressions outside also. But do you know Ego ends up in stupidity? Absolute stupidity because Ego starts saying ‘what’s wrong,’ everything, they will just answer one question: ‘what’s wrong’. Every time you say like that Ego becomes big, big, big like that and such a person lives in an ethereal world of idiocy. For example a man who was about 60 years of age was found with a girl of 10 years old and when the Judge asked him why did you do it, he said: ‘What’s wrong?’ Another case was, there was a French robber and he robbed a bank. And I saw that on the BBC and I was amazed, I saw him running away also. But that shameful person was, shameless person was so boastful I was amazed at him! He was not at all ashamed that he had taken the money of so many innocent people, just to enjoy that money with some dirty prostitutes or get drunk somewhere and then to come and ask, ‘what’s wrong’. It is nothing but stupidity. Sometimes I feel that’s why Christ must have rode on a donkey. What is, what is the sense of behaving like this? It’s absolutely stupid and foolish behaviour. 80-year old man also trying to copy a 16-year old boy. At a dinner party I met a lady, I mean she was the wife of a Lord, of about 75. She was trying to talk like a 16-year foolish girl. She had no dignity of her age and no respect for her age. And next day we read in the paper that she died because she fell from a horse. We had another lady, and Indian lady, from a, her husband is a (tape disconnected) … This is the problem of Ego. The best part is that the egotistical do not know that they are egotistical. They have created such a lot of problems because of their Ego. But the young people of the West, not all the old, but so many young people of the West, have realized that there is something wrong somewhere in the whole society. They have tried to see that there is some sort of funny Baroque way of expression of the Ego, Baroque, Baroque style. Actually they are fed up with all that nonsense. For like in London you need to wear a tailcoat if you are to see a queen. They borrow these from one shop (unintelligible), they look like clowns but they think no end of themselves. You don’t know how to stop laughing at them. But in their idiocity they think they have become big barons. This Ego problem was seen by young people, they saw what is happening in this world because they are Seekers. They said we are not going to waste our energies running after all these nonsensical things. They are Seekers. They said we are not going to accept the Ego. So they tried to develop their Superego by taking drugs and things, by which you run away from your Ego. With Ego you destroy others but with Superego you destroy yourself. To Me the second thing is more serious because you are saints and you are destroying yourself! Now who is going to save this world? It’s alright if the world is destroyed which is useless but what about you people who are the ones who are going to emancipate this humanity? The other day I just said to one person that have you been taking too much drugs, he was so offended he went away. As if drug addiction is a great religion with them. They have given up all the nonsense but caught hold of another horrible nonsense. Before Realization I don’t talk about it. I do not want to scare you away. But after Realization you cannot take drugs! You won’t be able to bear it. You become very sensitive. Like if you take a horse through a dirty lane he doesn’t smell anything dirty. If you take a man through a prostitute’s shop he doesn’t feel funny. But after Realization he starts feeling the heat from them. He gets a headache from them. He cannot enjoy them. He runs away from them, automatically. For example, when I, if I can see my sari, I know if it is dirty or clean and I can clean it if I am away from it. Like that you get out of your Superego and Ego. So many ask Me what about our Karmas? Karmas are done by Ego and transferred to Superego! When you go beyond it who’s going to do the Karmas!? You jump into A-karma. Then your language changes! You don’t say ‘I do it.’ You speak in third person. You say ‘It is coming.’ ‘It is happening.’ ‘It is going.’ ‘It is working out.’ You start speaking in third person because you have become the third person, the Spirit, because you are the Spirit and not this Ego and Superego, which is a balloon. The Kundalini sucks in both the balloons. This centre, which I have already described, this centre is very important where you see the red mark on My forehead. Actually it is in the brain where the Optic Chiasma cross each other like that. It is a very, very subtle centre. It controls the Ego and Superego. And this is the centre, which is crowned by our Lord Jesus Christ. - This is the door to the Limbic Area, which is the Kingdom of God. His Resurrection symbolizes your Realization. - As He was born, in the same way you are reborn. There is a lot of controversy about the birth of Christ. What can these Human Beings understand a Divine Personality like Christ? You have no business discussing Him until you are really Realized! These churches have not given you the goods, they have not given you Realization, they have not given you the real baptism. You don’t need any conviction once you are Realized that Christ was the Spirit! There can be no controversy about truth unless and until you have your Realization! That is the most important thing that we should do before we discuss anyone of these great personalities; it would be like the ant discussing the political situation in France. You have to evolve to see Him. That’s why He has said ‘You have to be reborn’ hundred times! Moses and other people, like Him, the Primordial Masters all over the world, incarnated, in this area and established your Sustenance. This was to prepare you for your ascent. Then came Krishna, who said that ‘the Spirit cannot be destroyed.’ I say it in Sanskrit because it is a mantra. (HH Shri Mataji says the couplets in Sanskrit) It cannot be destroyed by anything, truth. So the truth He’s saying Christ was to be Resurrected. Christ has said ‘Those who are not against Me are with Me.’ Who are those people…? Now you may say that why didn’t He say anything about Kundalini? These stupid egotistical Romans and the Jews did not allow Him to live for more than 4-years! They crucified Him on the cross and while we are paying homages to Jesus these satanic people are exploiting you. You gave them money, you gave them Rolls Royces, you gave them all kind of luxurious life but what about Christ? He was crucified! If we do not accept the truth we are anti-Christ. He crucified Himself to prove that Spirit is eternal. He crucified Himself for your sake so that you should know that the Spirit is eternal! If you do not achieve your Spirit and manifest it, His life is no use to you. That’s why he has said, ‘You’ll be calling me Christ, Christ, I won’t recognize.’ I need at least 41-lectures to speak about Him. Only thing I have to tell you is that He lives within us. When the Kundalini stops at Agnya Chakra we have to take His name and request Him to be awakened. Lord’s Prayer is the Mantra for this. If a Realized Soul says Lord’s Prayer, this chakra can be opened out. But if the non-Realized person says it, it has no meaning, he is not connected, has no connection. If the telephone is not connected and you go on dialing, you’ll spoil the telephone. Everyone of you must see that you are connected and firmly connected to the Divine Power. And that the Divine Power flows through you so that you Glorify your Father, so that you enter into the Kingdom of God and to really feel the citizenship and the security of your Father. That is a very difficult job for Me. I’m like a mediator. On one side the Deities are very fixed people. They do not compromise. If you don’t listen to Me they’ll play tricks on you. I have to tell them to be kind. On this side are people who are egotistical. They think no end of themselves. Some of them are possessed with foolish ideas. Now I would like you to know that you have to have wisdom and understand that you are the people on the stage. I’m not. I’m like a bubble. I’ve just come for you, to put you on the stage. You are the laughing lions, which have been described by one of the French authors. What was his name? (Voice of Yogi: German, Mother, Nietzche.) German. Nietzche. Now it is for you to get Realization, then to establish it. As we do not take any money we have to work in a very modest way. Marie (name of translator) has been my disciple for 7-years. I wish she can tell you sometimes what was her shape when she came to Me. And, she’s much more nourishing than Myself, she’s much more loving than Myself, in a way, she gets very much into people who are English bashing. She’s more bothered about people who are hysterical, (Marie: Am I? HH Shri Mataji: You are.) who have run away from lunatic asylums. I tell her can’t you get some sensible people to begin with? In your parish, do you have all madcaps? (Laughter) Can’t you have some wise people also over here? Why should you take interest in people whose screws are loose so much? But she told me, ‘Mother do You remember how I was? You have saved me and You have to save them.’ But she took 4-years! Now how can I spend so much time on everyone? You have first to get people who are wise and sensible. And, do not argue with people who are obstinate. For example, if they are Krishnamurti disciples, finished! Send them to Me. But once they get Realization, they are excellent people. We have some very powerful Krishnamurti disciples who are very good in that once they leave Krishnamurti they stick on to truth with a greater strength. But you don’t try all that. Then Ha-Tha yogis are another obstinate people. You have to deal with them very carefully. There are some types you never try yourself, like TM. Send them to Me. All such special people I will handle. Then Rajneesh and all these, you just don’t bother. They will discover it very soon. But, if they have reached a conclusion that it, all was wrong and false and fake, then Sahaja Yoga works just like that (Shri Mataji’ snaps her fingers) because they are the members of that race which is the most precious, is that of Seeking. And, they are the ones who are going to support the Truth. All over the world that race is coming up. And, so many children are going to be born who have very great spiritual strength to adorn this great monument, edifice to the Truth. I request to attend a program every Sunday at Marie’s place after your Realization. I’m going to Orleans tomorrow and I may not be able to come to Paris for quite some months or maybe a year. But some people will come from London to help Marie sometimes and some will come from Switzerland. Once you are all well equipped you can also go abroad to tell people about it. One enlightened light can enlighten many lights. In India we have a very tremendous Sahaja Yogi who has given Realization to 10-thousand people in the villages. You can also come to India to meet your friends there. We have many Sahaja Yogis who are Muslims in the most fanatic countries. They are understanding the fallings of these fundamentalists and they will come up very soon. Without any revolution, there will be a complete transformation! I’m sure you all will be Realized today. You have to be kind to yourself. It will work out. Thank you very much. Thank you Marie. Maybe some of you will not get Realization, maybe. Maybe some of you will not get Realization. But those who do not get Realization, sometimes start pressurizing you. For example, a husband and wife, the wife might get, the husband may not get but you must have your opinion about it. Do not get impressed by the opinions of others. If you do not get Realization, that means something is missing in you. There is something fixed in you. There is some problem within you. So, you must ask for your Realization and if you do not get it, try to get it! And, try to establish. It has worked wonders in England. It should work much better here. I hope so. I have been understanding French people now. They are very aware. It will work out. End recording.	null	null	null	H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 1980-0917 Public Program Talk Day 3, Paris, France Today is the last day in Paris and I’ll try to sum up the subject of Sahaja Yoga as far as possible. (Can you hear over there?) Yesterday I told you about the chakras within us, which are the subtle centres, which are existing. Before understanding the whole subject we must understand the attitude that is going to help us to understand this subtle subject. For example this is not a political lecture. It is neither a sermon to you but it is an exposition of a discovery, for which you should not deny because you do not know about it. The attitude should be that you still have to know. This subject has not been discussed or has not been told in these way that people could get an experience. Supposing I describe to you the art of one of the Indian temples? You have read something about it and I describe you something else then of course you can say that this is not so because you believe in one person and not in another. Most of your beliefs are blind beliefs and you stick on to them because maybe you have paid for it or you have read it. The belief that you have got through experiences is the real belief. That kind of a belief you should seek. Dealing with spirituality also there have been thousands and thousands of writers. Thank God I have not yet written anything. But there have been writers who have written about spirituality who have experienced it. I would say they were the people who were self realized. And, there are writers who have not been realized and have not experienced or the experience they have had was not of realization but of something else. The understanding of this subject is only possible properly also if you are a self realized soul. Otherwise you cannot understand it fully. For example if you do not have a microscope and I describe to you something about microscopic vision you won’t understand it unless and until you see it. Now Gregoire has already told you that we have this power called as the Kundalini in our Sacrum Bone. This is the residual energy God has placed within us for our Self Realization. It is the second birth. It is the Baptism. You can say like an egg we are, indulging in our ego and superego, absolutely calcified. When you come to a certain point of maturity this has to break, the mother bird breaks the egg and the bird comes out. Surprisingly in Sanskrit language a bird is called as Dwijaha and a self realized soul is also called as Dwijaha because dwijaha means twice born. That means they’re Brahmin but later on this word got absolutely spoilt and we now have professional brahmins. It’s absolutely a misnomer now. This Kundalini rises from here as you see and pierces the six centres, the last one being here, known as the Sahasrara. This hole that She creates, is the, in your childhood you have a soft bone, it again becomes exactly a soft bone. This piercing takes place at a point called as Brahma-randhra. Brahmarandhra. This means, the-hole-in-the-divine-power. It means through this we are connected to the divine power. Now you can sit down and say just like a politician, how can that be? But you see so, as I have told you yesterday that God has made you in His own image and that He is not going to allow for His creation to be destroyed. He has already made this inside you, this instrument inside you beautifully. In so many cases you can see the Kundalini pulsating in this (Sacrum) bone, clearly, with your naked eyes. You can also see the rising of the energy in your backbone. With the stethoscope you can hear the lab-dab of the Kundalini. But when it reaches here you can clearly hear the throbbing. When the throbbing stops then you start feeling the cool breeze blowing into your hands. This is the seat (Fontanelle) of the Spirit but he exists, he exists in the heart and the information goes to the Spirit and then this cool breeze starts flowing through the Parasympathetic Nervous System. On your Central Nervous System you start feeling the Spirit for the first time. We do not realize how beautifully God has created us. We take Him for granted and take ourselves for granted. If you cut the brain, transversely, you can see it looks like a lotus, in its design, of many petals. It is said that there are thousand petals encircling the Limbic area. I have seen it. It has many colours. They are like living flames. It is said in the Bible that ‘I will appear before you like tongues of flames’. These are the tongues of flames. Now by reading Bible can you explain what are these ‘tongues of flames’ that God is going to appear? There is a description of Tree of Fire. This is the Tree of Fire within us and the Vibrations are the Water of Life. Sahaja Yoga explains all the scriptures as an experience not only mentally. It explains the Koran. It explains the Gita. It explains the Upanishadas. Of course, it explains the Bible. The time has come for us to know the truth and to prove it. So far we have been told but nobody has been able to prove it. That is why I am here before you. This is the last centre, which we have to cross. It’s called as the Sahasrara meaning one-thousand-petals-centre. It is surrounded by another centre called as Ekadesha Rudra. It’s the last incarnation that is going to come on this Earth. This incarnation is going to destroy everything that is unnecessary. It is not going to persuade you. It is not going to request you. It is not going to give you Self Realization. The Last Judgment has already started. Kundalini Awakening is the only way you are going to be judged. God is not going to put you into a balance to see how much you weigh. He’s going to raise your Kundalini and He’s going to know what’s the problem with your chakras. He’s going to know what you have been hankering after. He’s going to know what harm you have done to yourself and to the society. But the judgment is compassionate. It judges and corrects, helps you to improve, gives you a very, very patient understanding and attendance, it tries to explain in everyway that your brain can understand, tries to explain all your funny identifications and to remove them, it sees all the stupidities you have been doing, all the foolish things you have been indulging into. It cleanses. It cures you of all these things. It pardons you. It removes even the little guilt you might be involved in. It is purity but it is not afraid of your impurities. Don’t be afraid of this. It loves you. It is going to judge you in the most unique loving way before getting into the problem of Ekadesha Rudra. The manifestations of that has already started as cancer disease. That’s the minimum. That is not as you call it as a sin but going to the extremes into things. First of all Sahaja Yoga cures your cancer. It absolutely can cure you of your cancer. It can cure most of the incurable diseases. But it is not interested in curing like hospitals have. Those who want to get Self Realization, as a by-product get completely cured physical(ly). Of course as I told you your mental and emotional problems are also solved. The emotional problems come to you from this Power of Desire, which creates your conditionings and ultimately your Superego. This is your past. Those people who indulge too much in their past, cross the limits and go into the Collective Subconscious and as a result the Collective Subconscious comes on them. Now it has been accepted by so many doctors who are doing research in cancer that there is an attack that comes from unknown areas within us. But they don’t know what are these areas and the attack of the virus, what is the nature of them. They are some compositions of protein they call it. They do not know more than that. Actually all of our scientists can only give names to things that they find out. If they find out that Earth is pulling you down they call it gravity but they don’t know why there is gravity and how it is there. Through Sahaja Yoga we will know the why and how of everything. Now all collective problems come to us because of this left side, over active, and that is how our mental problems come in, actually, emotional problems come in. Many people also call it mental problems, they’re confused, so we can call it a mental problem or emotional problem it’s the same. But the mental problem is from the other side called as the Ego problem. The psychologists talk of the left side problems, of the psyche, about the conditionings but they did not know that if you try to decondition you do it through your Ego. If you try to decondition yourself you do it through your Ego. So while deconditioning you, you pump up your Ego. That pressure (unintelligible). You have no instrument to cleanse yourself. If you try to pay attention to your psyche you have to use your Ego. The Ego can bloat completely here, and occupies the whole of the brain, pressing the superego like a pin. This is what happens in the developing countries, developed countries. They work very hard to develop, created all the plastics and junk, mountains and mountains of broken cars, and then their Ego got so big, bloated they got tired and they got frightened of it. Like they created the Atom Bomb and now they are frightened of it. They created a devil and now they don’t know how to save themselves. Now this Mr. Ego, when it pumps up, you have certain expressions outside also. But do you know Ego ends up in stupidity? Absolute stupidity because Ego starts saying ‘what’s wrong,’ everything, they will just answer one question: ‘what’s wrong’. Every time you say like that Ego becomes big, big, big like that and such a person lives in an ethereal world of idiocy. For example a man who was about 60 years of age was found with a girl of 10 years old and when the Judge asked him why did you do it, he said: ‘What’s wrong?’ Another case was, there was a French robber and he robbed a bank. And I saw that on the BBC and I was amazed, I saw him running away also. But that shameful person was, shameless person was so boastful I was amazed at him! He was not at all ashamed that he had taken the money of so many innocent people, just to enjoy that money with some dirty prostitutes or get drunk somewhere and then to come and ask, ‘what’s wrong’. It is nothing but stupidity. Sometimes I feel that’s why Christ must have rode on a donkey. What is, what is the sense of behaving like this? It’s absolutely stupid and foolish behaviour. 80-year old man also trying to copy a 16-year old boy. At a dinner party I met a lady, I mean she was the wife of a Lord, of about 75. She was trying to talk like a 16-year foolish girl. She had no dignity of her age and no respect for her age. And next day we read in the paper that she died because she fell from a horse. We had another lady, and Indian lady, from a, her husband is a (tape disconnected) … This is the problem of Ego. The best part is that the egotistical do not know that they are egotistical. They have created such a lot of problems because of their Ego. But the young people of the West, not all the old, but so many young people of the West, have realized that there is something wrong somewhere in the whole society. They have tried to see that there is some sort of funny Baroque way of expression of the Ego, Baroque, Baroque style. Actually they are fed up with all that nonsense. For like in London you need to wear a tailcoat if you are to see a queen. They borrow these from one shop (unintelligible), they look like clowns but they think no end of themselves. You don’t know how to stop laughing at them. But in their idiocity they think they have become big barons. This Ego problem was seen by young people, they saw what is happening in this world because they are Seekers. They said we are not going to waste our energies running after all these nonsensical things. They are Seekers. They said we are not going to accept the Ego. So they tried to develop their Superego by taking drugs and things, by which you run away from your Ego. With Ego you destroy others but with Superego you destroy yourself. To Me the second thing is more serious because you are saints and you are destroying yourself! Now who is going to save this world? It’s alright if the world is destroyed which is useless but what about you people who are the ones who are going to emancipate this humanity? The other day I just said to one person that have you been taking too much drugs, he was so offended he went away. As if drug addiction is a great religion with them. They have given up all the nonsense but caught hold of another horrible nonsense. Before Realization I don’t talk about it. I do not want to scare you away. But after Realization you cannot take drugs! You won’t be able to bear it. You become very sensitive. Like if you take a horse through a dirty lane he doesn’t smell anything dirty. If you take a man through a prostitute’s shop he doesn’t feel funny. But after Realization he starts feeling the heat from them. He gets a headache from them. He cannot enjoy them. He runs away from them, automatically. For example, when I, if I can see my sari, I know if it is dirty or clean and I can clean it if I am away from it. Like that you get out of your Superego and Ego. So many ask Me what about our Karmas? Karmas are done by Ego and transferred to Superego! When you go beyond it who’s going to do the Karmas!? You jump into A-karma. Then your language changes! You don’t say ‘I do it.’ You speak in third person. You say ‘It is coming.’ ‘It is happening.’ ‘It is going.’ ‘It is working out.’ You start speaking in third person because you have become the third person, the Spirit, because you are the Spirit and not this Ego and Superego, which is a balloon. The Kundalini sucks in both the balloons. This centre, which I have already described, this centre is very important where you see the red mark on My forehead. Actually it is in the brain where the Optic Chiasma cross each other like that. It is a very, very subtle centre. It controls the Ego and Superego. And this is the centre, which is crowned by our Lord Jesus Christ. - This is the door to the Limbic Area, which is the Kingdom of God. His Resurrection symbolizes your Realization. - As He was born, in the same way you are reborn. There is a lot of controversy about the birth of Christ. What can these Human Beings understand a Divine Personality like Christ? You have no business discussing Him until you are really Realized! These churches have not given you the goods, they have not given you Realization, they have not given you the real baptism. You don’t need any conviction once you are Realized that Christ was the Spirit! There can be no controversy about truth unless and until you have your Realization! That is the most important thing that we should do before we discuss anyone of these great personalities; it would be like the ant discussing the political situation in France. You have to evolve to see Him. That’s why He has said ‘You have to be reborn’ hundred times! Moses and other people, like Him, the Primordial Masters all over the world, incarnated, in this area and established your Sustenance. This was to prepare you for your ascent. Then came Krishna, who said that ‘the Spirit cannot be destroyed.’ I say it in Sanskrit because it is a mantra. (HH Shri Mataji says the couplets in Sanskrit) It cannot be destroyed by anything, truth. So the truth He’s saying Christ was to be Resurrected. Christ has said ‘Those who are not against Me are with Me.’ Who are those people…? Now you may say that why didn’t He say anything about Kundalini? These stupid egotistical Romans and the Jews did not allow Him to live for more than 4-years! They crucified Him on the cross and while we are paying homages to Jesus these satanic people are exploiting you. You gave them money, you gave them Rolls Royces, you gave them all kind of luxurious life but what about Christ? He was crucified! If we do not accept the truth we are anti-Christ. He crucified Himself to prove that Spirit is eternal. He crucified Himself for your sake so that you should know that the Spirit is eternal! If you do not achieve your Spirit and manifest it, His life is no use to you. That’s why he has said, ‘You’ll be calling me Christ, Christ, I won’t recognize.’ I need at least 41-lectures to speak about Him. Only thing I have to tell you is that He lives within us. When the Kundalini stops at Agnya Chakra we have to take His name and request Him to be awakened. Lord’s Prayer is the Mantra for this. If a Realized Soul says Lord’s Prayer, this chakra can be opened out. But if the non-Realized person says it, it has no meaning, he is not connected, has no connection. If the telephone is not connected and you go on dialing, you’ll spoil the telephone. Everyone of you must see that you are connected and firmly connected to the Divine Power. And that the Divine Power flows through you so that you Glorify your Father, so that you enter into the Kingdom of God and to really feel the citizenship and the security of your Father. That is a very difficult job for Me. I’m like a mediator. On one side the Deities are very fixed people. They do not compromise. If you don’t listen to Me they’ll play tricks on you. I have to tell them to be kind. On this side are people who are egotistical. They think no end of themselves. Some of them are possessed with foolish ideas. Now I would like you to know that you have to have wisdom and understand that you are the people on the stage. I’m not. I’m like a bubble. I’ve just come for you, to put you on the stage. You are the laughing lions, which have been described by one of the French authors. What was his name? (Voice of Yogi: German, Mother, Nietzche.) German. Nietzche. Now it is for you to get Realization, then to establish it. As we do not take any money we have to work in a very modest way. Marie (name of translator) has been my disciple for 7-years. I wish she can tell you sometimes what was her shape when she came to Me. And, she’s much more nourishing than Myself, she’s much more loving than Myself, in a way, she gets very much into people who are English bashing. She’s more bothered about people who are hysterical, (Marie: Am I? HH Shri Mataji: You are.) who have run away from lunatic asylums. I tell her can’t you get some sensible people to begin with? In your parish, do you have all madcaps? (Laughter) Can’t you have some wise people also over here? Why should you take interest in people whose screws are loose so much? But she told me, ‘Mother do You remember how I was? You have saved me and You have to save them.’ But she took 4-years! Now how can I spend so much time on everyone? You have first to get people who are wise and sensible. And, do not argue with people who are obstinate. For example, if they are Krishnamurti disciples, finished! Send them to Me. But once they get Realization, they are excellent people. We have some very powerful Krishnamurti disciples who are very good in that once they leave Krishnamurti they stick on to truth with a greater strength. But you don’t try all that. Then Ha-Tha yogis are another obstinate people. You have to deal with them very carefully. There are some types you never try yourself, like TM. Send them to Me. All such special people I will handle. Then Rajneesh and all these, you just don’t bother. They will discover it very soon. But, if they have reached a conclusion that it, all was wrong and false and fake, then Sahaja Yoga works just like that (Shri Mataji’ snaps her fingers) because they are the members of that race which is the most precious, is that of Seeking. And, they are the ones who are going to support the Truth. All over the world that race is coming up. And, so many children are going to be born who have very great spiritual strength to adorn this great monument, edifice to the Truth. I request to attend a program every Sunday at Marie’s place after your Realization. I’m going to Orleans tomorrow and I may not be able to come to Paris for quite some months or maybe a year. But some people will come from London to help Marie sometimes and some will come from Switzerland. Once you are all well equipped you can also go abroad to tell people about it. One enlightened light can enlighten many lights. In India we have a very tremendous Sahaja Yogi who has given Realization to 10-thousand people in the villages. You can also come to India to meet your friends there. We have many Sahaja Yogis who are Muslims in the most fanatic countries. They are understanding the fallings of these fundamentalists and they will come up very soon. Without any revolution, there will be a complete transformation! I’m sure you all will be Realized today. You have to be kind to yourself. It will work out. Thank you very much. Thank you Marie. Maybe some of you will not get Realization, maybe. Maybe some of you will not get Realization. But those who do not get Realization, sometimes start pressurizing you. For example, a husband and wife, the wife might get, the husband may not get but you must have your opinion about it. Do not get impressed by the opinions of others. If you do not get Realization, that means something is missing in you. There is something fixed in you. There is some problem within you. So, you must ask for your Realization and if you do not get it, try to get it! And, try to establish. It has worked wonders in England. It should work much better here. I hope so. I have been understanding French people now. They are very aware. It will work out. End recording.
9/18/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=20861	You cannot pay for God’s love	France	Orléans	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	58	Public Program I am sorry I cannot speak French and I have to use the English language. I hope to learn French sometime in life. Gregoire has already introduced you to Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja means Saha is with and Ja means born and Yoga means union. Union with the divine. It is the union with all-pervading power of God Almighty, It is a spontaneous happening. That is the meaning of Sahaja. that means you cannot work it out. You cannot put in any effort to do it. Like a small seed which sprouts by itself spontaneously, you are made in such a way that this happening has to take place spontaneously. you do not put in any effort for sprouting a seed. If you stand on your heads on your legs the seed will sprout, then it has to sprout. Every living process is spontaneous. You cannot say what time exactly a flower will become fruit. But from experience, you can say this is the time about for the flowers to bloom. And this is the blossom time of the seekers. The time has come for many seekers to become fruits. On the tree of life, there were very few flowers in the beginning. There were never so many seekers even up to the time of Christ. The human awareness has reached such a state where they are now in a blossoming state. And time for their transformation is now. It is now so heartening to see that in this Orleans that there are so many seekers of truth. For this transformation, you cannot pay any money. that is an absurd thing. You must understand that you cannot pay for God's love. It is not a marketable commodity. It is the grace of God, the desire of God that he wants you to have the Kingdom of heaven, which cannot be repaid back. He is a compassionate Father, an ocean of love. He wants to give all his powers to you to enjoy yourself immensely. On my way I went to the beautiful church of (UNCLEAR), In thirteen century they talked about Kundalini they talked of Kundalini. They have talked so much of the day of judgment. That day of judgement has started. How are you going to be judged they have not been able to tell you. The whole inspiration has come to them from the unconscious and not through meditative knowledge. But still, it is quite a clear cut. You are going to be judged through your Kundalini awakening. Otherwise how God is going to judge you. It is the Kundalini which rises and informs you and the person who is trying to raise the Kundalini what is your problem. Christ has said that you have to born to be again. He has said that you seek. You knock at the door. Nowhere he said that you pay money for it. The way we are Guru shopping everywhere, I am surprised how can you do that? God has placed within you this beautiful power of Kundalini in your triangular bone for your realisation and for your judgment. This bone is called as sacrum and sacrum means sacred. In the Greek language, it is called as sacred bone, that means the Greeks knew that this was a sacred bone. Medically also it is true that it is now easy to burn this bone. Now this power exists within you. And when the kundalini starts rising when there is obstruction then you can see the pulsation of this Kundalini very easily. if there are obstructions in the spinal cord, then you can also feel the rising of the kundalini slowly. But when there is no obstruction Kundalini rises like a jet. There is no feeling of its rising. You do not see anything. You just be there. At the most, some people do feel a throbbing here in the fontanelle bone area, where you have to receive the baptism. But some people don't feel that and they become themselves. It is the becoming which is important. And you know have become because you can feel it from your hand, a cool power flowing, the cool breeze of the holy ghost. In India, we do not have any organised religions. And the climate is so good to the people that they do not have this fight. They can live in a forest for their seeking without any fear. In the ancient times, many people tried to find out how we are built within. They tried to find out where this shakti is coming to us, this power is coming to us. We as modern people should try to find out why we have become human being from small amoeba stage? Science cannot answer two questions why and how. For example, if there is gravity in this earth they will say there is gravity, why and how they cannot tell. But after you get your realisation you enter into a new awareness of collectivity. You become the collective consciousness. It is not we say we are all brothers and sisters let us have united nations. But you know that you belong to the whole, not through your brain but through your awareness itself. Because of this fingers of all the symbols of centres within which are shown here. all these centres get enlightened when you get your realisation. You start feeling them. even a child who is a realised soul can feel it. Sometimes you find a child putting his thumb in the mouth. Freud has some funny explanation. He was a half-baked person. I will tell you why I say that. He then (UNCLEAR) half-human being, What can one say one-third. The child is feeling this centre very much. This centre suggests, maybe your liver, or may he is facing people who think too much. He is trying to cool his centre. If he is trying to improve the centres of the others. We have to become that awareness first. We are all made that way. the instrument is made and has to be connected to the mains. In the same way, you all have to put to the mains to know the meaning of this instrument which has been created through creation through so many years. As every instrument have the arrangement for its connection, you, too, have the connection cord coiled up there. But the only person who can do this work has to be authorised by GOD. He cannot be authorised from any theological college. Or any going through the process and paying lots of money to some Gurus somewhere. It is a living process and living process can only happen in a person where the divine is living. you cannot read about in the books and understand. How many books did Christ read? or what university did he go? it is an awareness that what is human awareness. But whatever is the unknown is not divine awareness. Not I will tell you how many types of awareness are around us. On the left-hand side, you see a blue coloured line coming down, is the power of our desire. It flows through the channel called as Ida Nadi within us. This is the one is the psychic about Mr Freud is talking. It is all in our sub-conscious area. But Beyond the sub-conscious area on the left hand side is the collective subconsciousness. This is another awareness on the left hand side, in which you can jump. This can have by doing some sort of funny things like concentration through your ear, through your nose, or something like that. Or also concentration through darkness or going into symmetry. you can go possessed by the left-hand side attack. I do not know if Gregoire has told you that through Sahaja Yoga you can cure cancer. Only through Sahaja Yoga you can cure cancer. I have seen in all my work so far that cancer is caused, mostly, by the attack of the left hand side. Recently I saw a very amazing BBC programme in which some cancer experts, doctors were discussing about these attacks. They are also vaguely understanding like the Charter artistes. They are saying there are certain proteins, from certain names that they have given them, which are coming from the areas within us. These areas may be existing within us since the creation. That means they accept that there are unknown to us and there are attacks coming from there from some protein material which they cannot understand who they are. In our subconscious area, into our subconscious area, there were many such things which were discarded in the evolutionary process. So many vegetables, so many animals and so many human beings. They all exist into in our collective subconscious area. So we have on our left hand side, an awareness into which we can easily enter, called as collective subconscious. On the right hand side we have another power called as the power of action. I will not give Sanskrit you words to complicate it. Now this power flows into us through a channel called as Pingala Nadi in Sanskrit language. Through this, we go into action, physical as well as mental. We the left side we do our emotional work. Beyond this line on the right hand side is the area of supraconscious. Supposing you take LSD and all such drugs, which will take you to a realm where you start seeing hallucinations of colour and all, you enter into supraconcious awareness. You see an eye and a third eye, and all that is nothing but supraconscious. The more you go into that area you are again attacked by the entities which are supraconcious in nature. All the great planners and the great ambitious people exist there. Maybe Napolean from France or maybe Hitler from Germany exist there. If you are a very ambitious person and a great planner, if you go too much on the side you may be attacked. So above that, on both the sides, very much above the head, is the area of our collective consciousness. Above that we can say super collective consciousness. Now, this is the area where we have to go. We have to take our attention to that area of collective consciousness. And when the Kundalini rises she takes our attention to that. The spirit, the reflection of God exists in your heart. When the Kundalini rises she touches this touches this point which is the seat of your spirit. And when she touches that, from the heart the spirit starts emitting cool vibrations. Actually, it should be explained this way that spirit is enjoying itself all the time. It doesn't seek outside enjoyment. That is the one which knows our feelings. It knows us, but we do not know it. But when your attention is driven into that, then you start feeling that enjoyment in your attention. That means in your consciousness you start feeling the spirit. That means on your central nervous system you can feel the spirit flowing. This is the energy of love'God, Which Christ had, which Christ had. Which was explained very well by Adi Shankaracharya as Soundarya Lahiri or Chaitanya Lahiri. Lahiri means the waves, Soundarya means the beauty, the waves of beauty, the waves of consciousness. Now your attention is enlightened. You start feeling others on your fingertips. You start feeling your self on your fingertips. Now you get separated from yourself and you start seeing your defects as something outside. The identification with your outside is lost and you start seeing what's wrong with the outside. Also, you are empowered to cure that. This is what you have to see, its your own power of your spirit within you. 32.35 It is that.. everything has been prepared beautifully and delicately within you. Only in your frantic seeking, you have spoilt your (UNCLEAR being). It can be cured also. So in the last judgment, you are not condemned immediately. First, you see your faults and defects clearly before you. You get empowered with the cleansing power, you cleanse yourself and then you are judged as the citizens of God's kingdom. 33.42 to 33.48 (There is a break in the tape where what Shri Mataji has said is not there, but it is followed by the translation) And he was quite sceptical about it. One day he asked me, I told him that you can feel the vibrations of other people. One day he asked me, Mother I am getting a burning sensation in this area, what does that mean? 34.20 I told him these are all the centres of your father, (UNCLEAR) and this is the Vishuddhi chakra here which manifests in the cervical plexuses. I said telephone to your mother and find out your father must be down with bronchitis. 34:47 to 35:50 (UNCLEAR) The father was in Scotland and he telephoned in my presence. The mother came on the phone and she said that your father is down with bronchitis. 35:21 And she said one more word is (unclear). You can feel the cure sitting down here if you know how to do it. But curing mentally and physically is not the aim of God's creation. To give realisation is the aim. So that you feel the power within you and learn how to use it and enjoy his blessings. God is not interested in curing useless people, because nobody dies. They will get their life again they will be born again like that they will go on all their lives till they come to (UNCLEAR some) seek. The seekers are the most important things in the vision of God. Today they are on the stage and they are protected. After realisation, they start understanding the amount of care the divine takes of you. It is already one hour I have been speaking to you. I know that it is a very vast subject. In the English language, in London, I must have given at least 300 hundred lectures. And they have taped some of these lectures. You can have them free to understand Sahaja Yoga. But the main thing is that you must get your realisation. For example, if this room is completely dark and you come inside the room you get confused. Somebody will say that the door is the room, somebody will say the chair is the room and somebody will say a table in a room. And they would go on shouting on top of their voices as if that is the truth. Partly, it may be, but on the whole, it is not. It is very boring to talk about all these things with such idiots. When you are sitting in darkness. 39:40 For example if I start telling you the history of this electricity and how it came to (UNCLEAR) city, you will be just tired. Then if I start explaining (UNCLEAR), you will be fed up. And you will run. But supposing I tell that there is one little switch, if you switch on, you will get light. It is all built in here. Just press the button. You get the results. You have the light and you see everything for yourself and judge it. This is the spontaneous awakening of Kundalini. Now there is one question that is coming into the minds of some of you people, it is told, I mean that there are many books written on Kundalini. I have seen big-big books written about Kundalini, those people do not know anything about Kundalini. I am amazed at how they do that. Somebody says Kundalini is in the sex part, some says in the stomach, some says in the head. Kundalini has nothing to do with sex. She is your mother, sitting on the top of the chakra, which is the lowest here, called as Mooladhara chakra. The deity who is adorning that chakra is the embodiment of innocence. This centre controls our pelvic which controls all our excretory organs. You can see here that the Kundalini is placed higher than this centre. This innocent diety is here, just as a witness watching all our activities and looking after the protocol of the mother Kundalini. We must use some logic. All the animals are very good sex activities, are they going to get their realisation because we get. There are some people who go to a guru and start jumping like a frog or roaring like a lion. 44.12 Now are we going to become frogs and lions or earthworms. To wriggle like earthworms also has become one of the practices in the yoga system. Then some people are paying money to fly like kites. Are we going to now become birds and fly in the air? In which scriptures it is written that birds are higher evolutionary species than human beings? You are the highest produced so far in the evolution. But we have no self-esteem. We should understand that God has created us out of so many species for a very very special reason because we are special beings. There are cults and cults all over the world and some of them are so stupid that I do not know how human beings can go to them. Only the donkeys can go to such cults. We have to use common sense we are human beings. We are not to be guided to by these (unclear) that are floated as free enterprises. And not to be enamoured by these blahs blahs blahs of these horrible people who say that you better seek yourself. Some of them talk that you must de-condition yourself. With what do you de-condition yourself? Do you know if we (Unclear) your ego? When you start de-conditioning yourself, the superego goes down, but the ego comes up like a big balloon. There are many posh Gurus like that who teach you such things and float some books and you like to sit down for a coffee party discussing your evolution. What discussion can give you realisation, you just tell me? Is it possible by discussion can you transform a flower into a fruit? Can you do that? If a living process, you cannot discuss it. It has to happen. It is happening. Let the happening take place. You are so very educated people that I can talk to you about Ego and Superego and all that nonsense that Mr Freud has told. But in Indian villages, people are not bothered about these things. They are not so much complicated. They have sensitivity for the divine. Thousands of them can get realisation just like that. There is one gentleman who got his realisation in Pune and has given 10,000 realisations in the villages of Ahmednagar. We have to become simpler (Unclear). Christ has said that you have to become like small children to enter the kingdom of God. It is the ego which gives us nonsensical ideas. But still, I am must say that you are seekers of ancient times. It was predicted a long time that in this Kaliyuga, in the modern times, you will be borns as ordinary householders and that you will get your realisation. I am here to prove all the scriptures of the Guru. The Bible, Koran, the Gita, the Upanishad, everything. And as your mother, I have to fulfil all the promise. You don't have to work for it. I have to work. But I have a tremendous love for you. Because I see that diamond, your spirit in you. You are clouded, yet you cannot see it. If you could see a glimpse of that, you will know my concern and my heartfelt anxiety about it. I do not know to want anything from you. You cannot give me anything also. Take your realisation. This is a very different thing, from all the other things that you have seen so far, where you cannot give anything. You have to get something out of me. And just me. I am begging out of you to think. You can understand a mother's heart who wants to share her love with her children. That is the only thing that she can desire. Please do not get into rationality. That is very limited. You are to be triggered on to it. Then everything will be very logical. May God bless you. It is a very simple thing how to do it. It's like one light which is enlightened which can enlighten the others. You have to just put your hands towards me like this and take out your shoes because the Mother Earth sucks out our problems. Please do not be, you should not be obstinate about it. There is no show going on here. If you want to have your realisation you are welcome, otherwise do not stay here just to see the joke. I have not said that you don't do that or don't do this. I am very careful. I know how you want to escape sometime. But it will work out. Then you will see the transformation within you. And you will see your own power emitting. Please put your hand towards me. Close your eyes, please. Just close your eyes. Speaking to a Sahaja Yogi - I will have to blow out something. Is it possible to open the windows? It cannot be opened. Alright, I will work it out. Please close your eyes. To a Sahaja Yogi - Maureen you just ask them to close their eyes. I will have to blow a little wind for you.	null	null	null	Public Program I am sorry I cannot speak French and I have to use the English language. I hope to learn French sometime in life. Gregoire has already introduced you to Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja means Saha is with and Ja means born and Yoga means union. Union with the divine. It is the union with all-pervading power of God Almighty, It is a spontaneous happening. That is the meaning of Sahaja. that means you cannot work it out. You cannot put in any effort to do it. Like a small seed which sprouts by itself spontaneously, you are made in such a way that this happening has to take place spontaneously. you do not put in any effort for sprouting a seed. If you stand on your heads on your legs the seed will sprout, then it has to sprout. Every living process is spontaneous. You cannot say what time exactly a flower will become fruit. But from experience, you can say this is the time about for the flowers to bloom. And this is the blossom time of the seekers. The time has come for many seekers to become fruits. On the tree of life, there were very few flowers in the beginning. There were never so many seekers even up to the time of Christ. The human awareness has reached such a state where they are now in a blossoming state. And time for their transformation is now. It is now so heartening to see that in this Orleans that there are so many seekers of truth. For this transformation, you cannot pay any money. that is an absurd thing. You must understand that you cannot pay for God's love. It is not a marketable commodity. It is the grace of God, the desire of God that he wants you to have the Kingdom of heaven, which cannot be repaid back. He is a compassionate Father, an ocean of love. He wants to give all his powers to you to enjoy yourself immensely. On my way I went to the beautiful church of (UNCLEAR), In thirteen century they talked about Kundalini they talked of Kundalini. They have talked so much of the day of judgment. That day of judgement has started. How are you going to be judged they have not been able to tell you. The whole inspiration has come to them from the unconscious and not through meditative knowledge. But still, it is quite a clear cut. You are going to be judged through your Kundalini awakening. Otherwise how God is going to judge you. It is the Kundalini which rises and informs you and the person who is trying to raise the Kundalini what is your problem. Christ has said that you have to born to be again. He has said that you seek. You knock at the door. Nowhere he said that you pay money for it. The way we are Guru shopping everywhere, I am surprised how can you do that? God has placed within you this beautiful power of Kundalini in your triangular bone for your realisation and for your judgment. This bone is called as sacrum and sacrum means sacred. In the Greek language, it is called as sacred bone, that means the Greeks knew that this was a sacred bone. Medically also it is true that it is now easy to burn this bone. Now this power exists within you. And when the kundalini starts rising when there is obstruction then you can see the pulsation of this Kundalini very easily. if there are obstructions in the spinal cord, then you can also feel the rising of the kundalini slowly. But when there is no obstruction Kundalini rises like a jet. There is no feeling of its rising. You do not see anything. You just be there. At the most, some people do feel a throbbing here in the fontanelle bone area, where you have to receive the baptism. But some people don't feel that and they become themselves. It is the becoming which is important. And you know have become because you can feel it from your hand, a cool power flowing, the cool breeze of the holy ghost. In India, we do not have any organised religions. And the climate is so good to the people that they do not have this fight. They can live in a forest for their seeking without any fear. In the ancient times, many people tried to find out how we are built within. They tried to find out where this shakti is coming to us, this power is coming to us. We as modern people should try to find out why we have become human being from small amoeba stage? Science cannot answer two questions why and how. For example, if there is gravity in this earth they will say there is gravity, why and how they cannot tell. But after you get your realisation you enter into a new awareness of collectivity. You become the collective consciousness. It is not we say we are all brothers and sisters let us have united nations. But you know that you belong to the whole, not through your brain but through your awareness itself. Because of this fingers of all the symbols of centres within which are shown here. all these centres get enlightened when you get your realisation. You start feeling them. even a child who is a realised soul can feel it. Sometimes you find a child putting his thumb in the mouth. Freud has some funny explanation. He was a half-baked person. I will tell you why I say that. He then (UNCLEAR) half-human being, What can one say one-third. The child is feeling this centre very much. This centre suggests, maybe your liver, or may he is facing people who think too much. He is trying to cool his centre. If he is trying to improve the centres of the others. We have to become that awareness first. We are all made that way. the instrument is made and has to be connected to the mains. In the same way, you all have to put to the mains to know the meaning of this instrument which has been created through creation through so many years. As every instrument have the arrangement for its connection, you, too, have the connection cord coiled up there. But the only person who can do this work has to be authorised by GOD. He cannot be authorised from any theological college. Or any going through the process and paying lots of money to some Gurus somewhere. It is a living process and living process can only happen in a person where the divine is living. you cannot read about in the books and understand. How many books did Christ read? or what university did he go? it is an awareness that what is human awareness. But whatever is the unknown is not divine awareness. Not I will tell you how many types of awareness are around us. On the left-hand side, you see a blue coloured line coming down, is the power of our desire. It flows through the channel called as Ida Nadi within us. This is the one is the psychic about Mr Freud is talking. It is all in our sub-conscious area. But Beyond the sub-conscious area on the left hand side is the collective subconsciousness. This is another awareness on the left hand side, in which you can jump. This can have by doing some sort of funny things like concentration through your ear, through your nose, or something like that. Or also concentration through darkness or going into symmetry. you can go possessed by the left-hand side attack. I do not know if Gregoire has told you that through Sahaja Yoga you can cure cancer. Only through Sahaja Yoga you can cure cancer. I have seen in all my work so far that cancer is caused, mostly, by the attack of the left hand side. Recently I saw a very amazing BBC programme in which some cancer experts, doctors were discussing about these attacks. They are also vaguely understanding like the Charter artistes. They are saying there are certain proteins, from certain names that they have given them, which are coming from the areas within us. These areas may be existing within us since the creation. That means they accept that there are unknown to us and there are attacks coming from there from some protein material which they cannot understand who they are. In our subconscious area, into our subconscious area, there were many such things which were discarded in the evolutionary process. So many vegetables, so many animals and so many human beings. They all exist into in our collective subconscious area. So we have on our left hand side, an awareness into which we can easily enter, called as collective subconscious. On the right hand side we have another power called as the power of action. I will not give Sanskrit you words to complicate it. Now this power flows into us through a channel called as Pingala Nadi in Sanskrit language. Through this, we go into action, physical as well as mental. We the left side we do our emotional work. Beyond this line on the right hand side is the area of supraconscious. Supposing you take LSD and all such drugs, which will take you to a realm where you start seeing hallucinations of colour and all, you enter into supraconcious awareness. You see an eye and a third eye, and all that is nothing but supraconscious. The more you go into that area you are again attacked by the entities which are supraconcious in nature. All the great planners and the great ambitious people exist there. Maybe Napolean from France or maybe Hitler from Germany exist there. If you are a very ambitious person and a great planner, if you go too much on the side you may be attacked. So above that, on both the sides, very much above the head, is the area of our collective consciousness. Above that we can say super collective consciousness. Now, this is the area where we have to go. We have to take our attention to that area of collective consciousness. And when the Kundalini rises she takes our attention to that. The spirit, the reflection of God exists in your heart. When the Kundalini rises she touches this touches this point which is the seat of your spirit. And when she touches that, from the heart the spirit starts emitting cool vibrations. Actually, it should be explained this way that spirit is enjoying itself all the time. It doesn't seek outside enjoyment. That is the one which knows our feelings. It knows us, but we do not know it. But when your attention is driven into that, then you start feeling that enjoyment in your attention. That means in your consciousness you start feeling the spirit. That means on your central nervous system you can feel the spirit flowing. This is the energy of love'God, Which Christ had, which Christ had. Which was explained very well by Adi Shankaracharya as Soundarya Lahiri or Chaitanya Lahiri. Lahiri means the waves, Soundarya means the beauty, the waves of beauty, the waves of consciousness. Now your attention is enlightened. You start feeling others on your fingertips. You start feeling your self on your fingertips. Now you get separated from yourself and you start seeing your defects as something outside. The identification with your outside is lost and you start seeing what's wrong with the outside. Also, you are empowered to cure that. This is what you have to see, its your own power of your spirit within you. 32.35 It is that.. everything has been prepared beautifully and delicately within you. Only in your frantic seeking, you have spoilt your (UNCLEAR being). It can be cured also. So in the last judgment, you are not condemned immediately. First, you see your faults and defects clearly before you. You get empowered with the cleansing power, you cleanse yourself and then you are judged as the citizens of God's kingdom. 33.42 to 33.48 (There is a break in the tape where what Shri Mataji has said is not there, but it is followed by the translation) And he was quite sceptical about it. One day he asked me, I told him that you can feel the vibrations of other people. One day he asked me, Mother I am getting a burning sensation in this area, what does that mean? 34.20 I told him these are all the centres of your father, (UNCLEAR) and this is the Vishuddhi chakra here which manifests in the cervical plexuses. I said telephone to your mother and find out your father must be down with bronchitis. 34:47 to 35:50 (UNCLEAR) The father was in Scotland and he telephoned in my presence. The mother came on the phone and she said that your father is down with bronchitis. 35:21 And she said one more word is (unclear). You can feel the cure sitting down here if you know how to do it. But curing mentally and physically is not the aim of God's creation. To give realisation is the aim. So that you feel the power within you and learn how to use it and enjoy his blessings. God is not interested in curing useless people, because nobody dies. They will get their life again they will be born again like that they will go on all their lives till they come to (UNCLEAR some) seek. The seekers are the most important things in the vision of God. Today they are on the stage and they are protected. After realisation, they start understanding the amount of care the divine takes of you. It is already one hour I have been speaking to you. I know that it is a very vast subject. In the English language, in London, I must have given at least 300 hundred lectures. And they have taped some of these lectures. You can have them free to understand Sahaja Yoga. But the main thing is that you must get your realisation. For example, if this room is completely dark and you come inside the room you get confused. Somebody will say that the door is the room, somebody will say the chair is the room and somebody will say a table in a room. And they would go on shouting on top of their voices as if that is the truth. Partly, it may be, but on the whole, it is not. It is very boring to talk about all these things with such idiots. When you are sitting in darkness. 39:40 For example if I start telling you the history of this electricity and how it came to (UNCLEAR) city, you will be just tired. Then if I start explaining (UNCLEAR), you will be fed up. And you will run. But supposing I tell that there is one little switch, if you switch on, you will get light. It is all built in here. Just press the button. You get the results. You have the light and you see everything for yourself and judge it. This is the spontaneous awakening of Kundalini. Now there is one question that is coming into the minds of some of you people, it is told, I mean that there are many books written on Kundalini. I have seen big-big books written about Kundalini, those people do not know anything about Kundalini. I am amazed at how they do that. Somebody says Kundalini is in the sex part, some says in the stomach, some says in the head. Kundalini has nothing to do with sex. She is your mother, sitting on the top of the chakra, which is the lowest here, called as Mooladhara chakra. The deity who is adorning that chakra is the embodiment of innocence. This centre controls our pelvic which controls all our excretory organs. You can see here that the Kundalini is placed higher than this centre. This innocent diety is here, just as a witness watching all our activities and looking after the protocol of the mother Kundalini. We must use some logic. All the animals are very good sex activities, are they going to get their realisation because we get. There are some people who go to a guru and start jumping like a frog or roaring like a lion. 44.12 Now are we going to become frogs and lions or earthworms. To wriggle like earthworms also has become one of the practices in the yoga system. Then some people are paying money to fly like kites. Are we going to now become birds and fly in the air? In which scriptures it is written that birds are higher evolutionary species than human beings? You are the highest produced so far in the evolution. But we have no self-esteem. We should understand that God has created us out of so many species for a very very special reason because we are special beings. There are cults and cults all over the world and some of them are so stupid that I do not know how human beings can go to them. Only the donkeys can go to such cults. We have to use common sense we are human beings. We are not to be guided to by these (unclear) that are floated as free enterprises. And not to be enamoured by these blahs blahs blahs of these horrible people who say that you better seek yourself. Some of them talk that you must de-condition yourself. With what do you de-condition yourself? Do you know if we (Unclear) your ego? When you start de-conditioning yourself, the superego goes down, but the ego comes up like a big balloon. There are many posh Gurus like that who teach you such things and float some books and you like to sit down for a coffee party discussing your evolution. What discussion can give you realisation, you just tell me? Is it possible by discussion can you transform a flower into a fruit? Can you do that? If a living process, you cannot discuss it. It has to happen. It is happening. Let the happening take place. You are so very educated people that I can talk to you about Ego and Superego and all that nonsense that Mr Freud has told. But in Indian villages, people are not bothered about these things. They are not so much complicated. They have sensitivity for the divine. Thousands of them can get realisation just like that. There is one gentleman who got his realisation in Pune and has given 10,000 realisations in the villages of Ahmednagar. We have to become simpler (Unclear). Christ has said that you have to become like small children to enter the kingdom of God. It is the ego which gives us nonsensical ideas. But still, I am must say that you are seekers of ancient times. It was predicted a long time that in this Kaliyuga, in the modern times, you will be borns as ordinary householders and that you will get your realisation. I am here to prove all the scriptures of the Guru. The Bible, Koran, the Gita, the Upanishad, everything. And as your mother, I have to fulfil all the promise. You don't have to work for it. I have to work. But I have a tremendous love for you. Because I see that diamond, your spirit in you. You are clouded, yet you cannot see it. If you could see a glimpse of that, you will know my concern and my heartfelt anxiety about it. I do not know to want anything from you. You cannot give me anything also. Take your realisation. This is a very different thing, from all the other things that you have seen so far, where you cannot give anything. You have to get something out of me. And just me. I am begging out of you to think. You can understand a mother's heart who wants to share her love with her children. That is the only thing that she can desire. Please do not get into rationality. That is very limited. You are to be triggered on to it. Then everything will be very logical. May God bless you. It is a very simple thing how to do it. It's like one light which is enlightened which can enlighten the others. You have to just put your hands towards me like this and take out your shoes because the Mother Earth sucks out our problems. Please do not be, you should not be obstinate about it. There is no show going on here. If you want to have your realisation you are welcome, otherwise do not stay here just to see the joke. I have not said that you don't do that or don't do this. I am very careful. I know how you want to escape sometime. But it will work out. Then you will see the transformation within you. And you will see your own power emitting. Please put your hand towards me. Close your eyes, please. Just close your eyes. Speaking to a Sahaja Yogi - I will have to blow out something. Is it possible to open the windows? It cannot be opened. Alright, I will work it out. Please close your eyes. To a Sahaja Yogi - Maureen you just ask them to close their eyes. I will have to blow a little wind for you.
9/21/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6713	We have to know what we have to become after the human stage	France	Nice	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	94	Public Program, day 1. Nice (France), 21 September 1980. I'm very sorry I do not know French language but Marie will be able to translate. Today we have assembled here to know about our evolution. We have to know what we have to become after the human stage. Human life is not the end of evolution. We have not yet found out our meaning. The scientists have to ask a question: why we have made human being from amoeba stage. In fact there is within us a great source by which the human seeking comes in. Sometimes we are not even sure as to what we are seeking. But it exists as a kind of a dissatisfaction within us. In the modern times there are so many seekers of truth. I find them in every country, in every race, in every so-called religion. They are not satisfied with themselves. If they are satisfied they are frivolous or naïve people. If they are not satisfied there is some reason which they do not know why they are not. Sometimes they reach a confusion thinking their existence is futile. It is absurd to think that way because if you follow your evolution you have been slowly, gradually evolving into something. After all everything in our body has a function. In the nature nothing is wasted. Then our process of evolution which is a living process must be having some purpose. Without purpose nature has not taken so much care, so many years to make us beautiful human beings. I'm here to tell you that you have a very great purpose in life and that you are to be bestowed your power of your Spirit which resides in your heart. This has to happen to all of you. You are seeking this. You are seeking your Spirit. You are trying to bring your Spirit into your consciousness, into your awareness. This is your second birth. This is your baptism which is actualization, not just a lecture or a brain cleaning. It's a happening that has to take place within you. If this happening takes place within you or not is to be seen. But first I will tell you logically how this happening has to be effortless. We have evolved to human stage absolutely spontaneously. For becoming human beings we need not read any books or stand on our heads. We have taken for granted our human stage. It has happened to us without doing any efforts, without thinking about it without planning about it. So, if this is a living process of evolution we are going to get it effortlessly.For example you cannot pay for it. It is absolutely absurd. How much do you pay for a seed to be sprouted? And whom do you pay? Nature has prepared the seed in such a way that it sprouts by itself. So it is absolutely spontaneous which means 'Sahaja'. 'Saha' means 'with', 'ja' means 'born'. It is born with you. The living process is built in you as everything that has to be manifested by the seed is built in it. The seed becomes the root then the shoot. Then it becomes the branches and the leaves and the flowers and the fruits. You cannot say at what time exactly the flower becomes a fruit. You cannot specify the time. At the most you can say the season or the blossom time. I feel the blossom time has come. Yesterday in Spain eighty per cent people got their Realization; it might be between eighty or hundred. Actually I did not know anybody in Spain. From London we sent the advertisement in a hotel and the people came as bees coming to the flowers and they got their Realization without any trouble. In two days there were eighty people. It is most remarkable how the brain of this living process is acting. Even in Paris now we have - Paris and Lille - we have lots of people who have got Realization, and why not in Nice? Now I will tell you how this process takes place. When I'm telling you about this you should not take Me for granted, but you must have an open mind about it. Though this knowledge is known to you through scriptures it is very vague. It is mystical. You don't understand the mystery. Even in the Bible it is written that, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames." Also there is a mention quite a lot of Tree of Life and Water of Life. Now I will tell you here what exists within us: these are all the subtle energies that are acting within us. With your naked eyes you can only see the gross. Our germinating force lies in this triangular bone called as sacrum. This one is called in Sanskrit language as Kundalini. You can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of this Kundalini when Sahaja Yoga takes place. The awakening of the Kundalini also you can see as the rising of the energy you can see it. Not in all people. People if they are simple, not so complicated, then the Kundalini rises just like a jet. But if there are problems on these centers which are subtle then Kundalini takes time. When there are obstructions you see the Kundalini hitting the centers to get out. That is how you see Her pulsation. Ultimately you feel the pulsation here in the fontanel bone area and then the Kundalini breaks through this area. Then you start feeling the cool breeze in your hands first. This is the enlightened energy of your Spirit. This has been described very elaborately in Indian scriptures, because in India there is no organized religion of any kind. People go into meditative areas like some forests or hills or mountains. Since ancient times the knowledge about Kundalini was available in India, much more clearly than anywhere in any scripture. Maybe people understood it better there. The knowledge was kept a secret for quite some time till Shankaracharya - Adi Shankaracharya - the first Shankaracharya came on this earth. He also has not given all the details about Kundalini but he has just given the names of various centers. So the people started making research in Kundalini, but as I told you that you cannot put in effort: like if there is one light enlightened it can enlighten many lights, the Kundalini can be only awakened by an enlightened person. [Translation problem, Shri Mataji repeats:] As an enlightened light can enlighten many lights, it cannot be enlightened by something that is not enlightened. This is the basic ignorance of people. That is why all the religions have failed because those who were teaching religions were not enlightened beings: they had no authority from God, they were not connected with God. Unless and until you are connected with the mains how are you working it out? For example if your telephone is not connected: can you telephone? You cannot get connection in a theological college nor you can do some course about it or purchase it in the market: it is something so living like the flower becoming a fruit. This was the mistake of many people who called themselves as Tantrikas in India. When they started moving with their efforts, they moved in the beginning on the right or the left side. On the left-hand side resides our collective Subconscious: all that is dead resides in that area. I was surprised the other day in B.B.C. people described cancer very well, because cancer can be only cured by Sahaja Yoga. We have cured cancer but, of course, our job is not to cure. But as a byproduct of self Realization you get cured completely. The other day the B.B.C. people said that they have found some sort of protein matter which has forms, funny forms, are invading from your being from some areas unknown so far. These invaders actually trigger the process of cancer. About them I'll tell you tomorrow. Now we have programs here for three days. I hope you'll make it convenient to come every day and learn about it. On the right hand side exists the area of collective Supraconscious. But on top here exists the area of collective consciousness. The seat of the Spirit is on top of the fontanel bone area here. The Spirit exists in your heart. When the Kundalini rises and pierces through these centers through here, the Spirit gets enlightened. Actually Spirit is an enlightened light and your attention is spread on this area just like the sari like that. The Kundalini presses from down below and pierces it at the fontanel bone area. The Spirit enlightens the attention. Spirit is enjoying Itself, by Itself. Its enjoyment comes into your attention and you also start enjoying but because Spirit is collectively conscious you become collectively conscious. The becoming is the important thing, not the blah, blah, blah of it. There are such big, big books meaning nothing. Do you mean to say those who have not read books are not going to get their Realization? If this is a universal phenomenon, books should not delimit it. The Kundalini when it rises She indicates the problems that are in you. She is your Mother. She has only you as Her child. She has no other child and She loves you very, very much. She follows you all your lives and in this life also and She knows your problems like a tape recorder: She is coiled together in three and a half coils, like many threads, you can say, put in a rope. You can see this green area of which we have said: this is the gap which is between our consciousness and the Spirit. The center you see there green is the center through which we seek. This center started when we were ameba and we started seeking our food. When the seeking became subtler and subtler you've reached a state where you wanted to seek the power and the money and then your emotional enjoyment. But when it became the subtlest you started seeking the Spirit because ultimately you have to become the Spirit. It is natural to be animals but it is also natural to ascend. Ascending towards the Spirit one finds a big gap. This gap is filled with Kundalini awakening. Now this Kundalini is placed in all of you so the whole world has the hope of becoming the Spirit. But people are not seeking in the true way. They don't understand how to seek. They're more attracted towards circuses and fake people who try to befool them. One should know that you cannot pay for this happening of Kundalini. God doesn't understand your money: French Francs! So once you understand that it's a genuine process which takes place and has to take place in everyone then you approach Sahaja Yoga with a different attitude: the attitude of a seeker.We have within us these seven centers which are shown here. They are all within us existing and asserting themselves. These are all subtle centers but they manifest themselves as gross plexuses within us. I do not want to give you the list of all the physical plexuses that medical people know of but we have got papers and books which you can see and you can understand them very well, but vertically they represent our evolution. They're the milestones of our evolution and all these are adorned by deities. These deities are incarnations who came on this earth to save human beings. There are two types of basic in incarnations. One: the incarnations which are born out of the primordial Masters. In Koran they are called as [Kaitambars?] because they're prophets. In Indian language they are called as Gurus. Now, we should call them only as Sad Gurus because there's such a big cohort of these mushroom gurus that it is better to separate them from them, the ones who are realized souls. They may not be incarnations of the primordial master but they should be at least realized souls. There are many Gurus who are Realized souls. The other day I met a priest who is a disciple of some guru in India and he told Me that he's having a guru in India, he wrote the name of the guru and then should he talk to Me or not? See his guru is a Realized soul, I could see from his name because he was giving vibrations. I told him, "He's a Realized soul, he's my son, why shouldn't you come." Then I said that, "At the most you will become my grand-son. And grand-sons are more dearer than your son." Then he told Me that his guru had already told about Me to him and that he had told that I was the universal Mother and I had to give enlightenment to the whole word. In Spain one young gentleman came very early to the program and he said, "Mother I've come to help you." And I said, "You see, the girl who has come from Switzerland doesn't know very good Spanish language and she doesn't know how to translate. So, will you translate?" "Yes", he said he will. And he translated very well. When he sat down for his Realization he got his vibrations very fast. He came and told Me, "Mother, I have a guru whose name is such and such. He lives somewhere near Himalayas." I said, "He's a Realized soul." He said that, "He told Me that Mother will be coming to Spain and you must go and help Her." But they don't want to come out themselves. Some of them told Me, "Human beings can never understand us. They will crucify us so we want to keep away from them. You give them some light then we will talk to them later. Otherwise from people we'll get crucified." But I've met many like that. For example you might have heard the name of Mascaro who has translated Gita and other Upanishadas. He lives very near Cambridge. I went to see him. He is about seventy-five years old. He is very great, very great. He gave Me a rose and he had prepared some nice sweets for Me. He was so sweet to offer them. For five minutes I couldn't talk to him, My eyes were filled with tears. I asked him, "What do you Me want to do Mascaro for you?" He said, "Mother, give them light, please give them light." He said that Krishna has said that, "Those who cannot see can never see. They are seekers but they fall in the trap to something wrong." He wrote a very beautiful poem-like letter to Me requesting Me to give light. He has a friend who has got a Nobel prize for producing some sort of a reactor or something. He said, "When he has no eyes, he cannot see. He cannot feel the reactor of God that emits this all-pervading power of His love, which is so very dynamic and beautiful." It thinks, it organizes, it cooperates. The best of all is love, but you cannot feel it. For example if I say there is music on here and there are lots of pictures going on. If I put a television here then you will realize what I'm saying is true. In the same way this has to happen to you. As long as it has not happened to you why should you believe Me? But it has to happen. The time has come. This the Last Judgment. How God is going to judge you? Only by raising your Kundalini: you yourself start feeling the problems within you of these centers. You start judging yourself. As you grow you understand how these centers are working in you and in others. As soon as you get your Realization you start feeling the Cool Breeze flowing from your hands. But these fingertips where all the sympathetic centers are there get enlightened. For example one, two three, four, five, six and seven centers are there. They actually get enlightened. Even a Realized soul, maybe a child can feel. Just putting hands towards a person you can feel his centers, where are the problems. You can feel it as numbness, you can feel it as little tickling, or maybe little heat. Ultimately you feel it like Cool Breeze. When you start feeling it as a Cool Breeze then know that this is the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost. That is how you are going to know whether you are Realized or not. You are going to know what is wrong with yourself. This is Self Realization. But also you know about others. The energy starts flowing through you and you can raise the Kundalini yourself, you can give Realization to others. In India we have an Indian gentleman who has given Realization to ten thousand people. Marie knows him. He has done it in Indian villages because city people are very materialistic. They pose to be very cynical and subtle, and they pose like that, very subtle, but in heart they are not. They are impressed by fake people more. They don't want the reality. I also go in Indian villages more. Most of these fake ones are working in the cities, but now most of them are been found out gradually. Indians are spiritually very sensitive. They cannot understand a holy man takes money from people and lives like a parasite. These are not parasites, they are living like lords. One has to understand a person who is a holy person is holy in his privacy. The Kundalini awakening takes place because God loves you very much, that He wants you to enter into the Kingdom, that He wants that you are the ones who are really chosen by Him. He is a Father who is ocean of compassion and bliss and He wants to give all His powers to you. You have to receive Him with humility and achieve your Realization. Sahaja Yoga is not meant for frivolous people. I started My work in London only with six sincere people. I worked on them for four years. Now we have thousands of them. But those who are... [Tape interrupted] [Second CD - Translator : "Il faut qu'Elle travaille très dur..." i.e. "She has to work very hard."] But after Realization you yourself will start working hard giving it to others. You get drunk in the beauty of your being and you do not want to do it alone. You want to share it. You feel very selfish to just enjoy yourself. And that's how you spread light. Christ has said, "You do not enlighten the light to put it under the table." When you become enlightened you give and you become a witness of the play of God's love. Now, before starting the program of Realization I have to make a very humble request to you. Now I know French people very well. They feel guilty for nothing at all. They have made themselves miserable with this idea of guilt. I'm talking of the ocean of love. This gout of your so-called guilt - mythical one - can be washed out by this ocean. This guilt is very destroying. You do not destroy others with it but you destroy yourself. I can see that Spirit in you twinkling like a diamond. I want you to get that. Throw away these clouds of guilt and be cheerful. I'm sure it's going to work out. May God bless you! On the first day if you have any questions I would like to answer but if there are not, better to get it. You came very late... Q. : Is it possible for a woman to awaken Kundalini? A. : Ah! Who else? Who else? A man cannot have so much patience as the Mother has. Woman is the Shakti, the Holy Ghost is a woman, your mother was a woman. The woman is the power. By condemning women here you have really condemned [your entire society? - From translation] She is the power of man but if you ill-treat her and do not respect her she also becomes disrespectable. Say, supposing today in My place there would have been Shri Krishna, what He would have done? He would have used His Samara Shakti, He has the power to kill. He would have killed all of them, all these fake gurus, He would have finished them off. With the gurus so many of My children would have been killed too. This is a very delicate work. You have to have tremendous patience. They are children: you are not to get angry with them. He can't do it. He's there to help Me out and out but it's the work of a Mother. Who gives you the birth? Father or the Mother? I'm talking of the re-birth. Your Mother is only your Kundalini. She can only give you birth. Men may not, they think no end of themselves, but can they produce children? You have to be children to enter into the Kingdom of God. This is a funny idea that women cannot do God's work. This is a kind of a funny racialism I think. On the contrary they do it best. You can see that, I will show you. I've not only raised the Kundalini of people but I've given Realization to thousands. You need tremendous patience, love that is patience. And the only - only - joy is to see your children getting their Realization. You need that tenderness and kindness. There is a gentleman whom I know who is a guru, he is a Realized soul. He lives in a very high mountain in the state of Maharashtra. I went to see him. He was of course very good to Me but very harsh on the Sahaja yogis. He asked them, "How many of you are going to give their life for Mother?" I said, "What do you mean? I don't want their life. I want to give them life." He told Me that, "If somebody troubles You, send him over to me. After all I'm their elder brother." I did not know he was such a hard fellow. I sent him one man who was really troubling Me for nothing at all. I told him you go and see the guru. He was very impressed that the guru has called him. Because Mother you always take for granted. About after fifteen days this man came with both his legs broken and hands broken, hanged by two people, just brought like that. I saw him, the tears started falling down. I said, "What has happened?" He begged of Me, "Mother never send me to that guru." I said, "What happened?" He told Me a horrible story. He said, "This guru, I went and told him against You." I said, "What did you say against Me?" "I told him that Mother gives Realization to every Dick, Tom and Harry. She should discriminate about it." So the guru said that, " Do you think that you have more wisdom that She has?" And then he said, "Now you go and sleep." He lives on a mountain. His both hands and feet are incapacitated because he lives in the water and he moves about on a tiger, everything ferocious. See, He told Me that the tiger came and pushed him in the ditch down below. He fell down twenty feet. He broke both his legs and his hands and for two days he didn't get any food. Third day he got some bread tied to a string and pushed it down - the guru. He gave him that food and he said: "Unless and until you promised that you will never say a word against Mother I will not take you out." And then poor man was picked-up. He told this man, "Hang your legs in your neck and go in a swinging way to Her. She's the only one who will look after you." The real gurus are very strict people. They cannot be bought by money. You have to have complete dedication to them. Another doctor who was troubling Me too much, I sent him to another guru. After one month he came down absolutely thinned down. Now I asked him, "What happened?" He said, "I had to go and wash a temple of Shiva which was about a mile on a steep rock, every day twice." And he did it. I asked his guru, "Why did you do such a horrible thing to him?" So he said, "Donkey must be treated like a donkey." They are horrible. They think that's the only way to make you learn the lesson. I told them, " Give them Realization. They themselves will know. The Kundalini will Itself tell you. The other day I met a lady from Switzerland whom I had given Realization. She had met Me only once and had her Realization and she said that, "Kundalini says me everything. If I try to do wrong things She comes and hits me here [on the head]. If I talk too much it comes and touches me here. If I eat food with people who are very egoistical I get pain in the stomach and diarrhea." It's very interesting. So understand that Kundalini is a woman. She's the Shakti, She's your Mother, She understands Me better than you people understand Her. Or Me, also She understands Me. So do not have these ideas of racialism. All these people who are also realized souls and gurus are also My children. Sometimes I'll tell you later about them. Any other question? Q.: (In French) " Pour faire monter la Kundalini est-ce qu'un travail de purification n'est pas indispensable avant? " - "Shouldn't here be a purification work before the awakening of the Kundalini ?" A.: Purification? Maybe with some, maybe, I don't know, but with Me there is no need. Because here if you have ocean of cleansing power, it has just washed it all. You can suck all their Karmas and all their sin so called and your Kundalini itself will help you. You haven't done anything wrong. That's what power is, power is of Divine love which is tremendous and dynamic. All right? You have to get off your shoes please because the Mother earth also help us. Put your shoes back in the backside, behind you and put your hands towards Me. Because I told you these are the centers of the sympathetic nervous system. Tomorrow I will tell you elaborately how it works. As I've told you that you cannot think about it. But do not try to stop your thinking. Kundalini will spontaneously rise and when She will cross this center [Agnya] She will make you thoughtlessly aware. She will make you absolutely thoughtless but you will be aware, much more alert. You will listen to Me. Then the second stage is that the Kundalini pierces the fontanel bone area. At that time you start feeling the Cool Breeze. But maybe in between these two things, these two happenings, you may feel little hot sometimes or maybe little, little tinkling but doesn't matter. I will work it out and then I will teach you how to work it out yourselves. You have to become the masters of Kundalini technique which is a living technique. There is no other technique to awaken Kundalini. All right let's put your hands and close your eyes, close your eyes. Now do not bother about others or look at others. It will happen to most of you if you are in a receptive mood to receive the power. Do not deny and again do not feel guilty. You can say, "Mother, I'm not guilty", thrice. This has worked wonders in Paris, so please say, "Mother, I'm not guilty at all." Second thing you have to do is to forgive others, just forgive. Say that thrice, "Mother, I forgive all of them about whom I've felt hurt, those who have hurt me. I forgive all of them." Please, say it thrice. Just forgive. That's very important. Once you start forgiving a great center in your Agnya opens where resides the deity of Christ. Just forgive. Even when you don't forgive, what do you do is to destroy yourself. Those who have hurt you are not destroyed. So please say that, "First of all I forgive myself." Again and again you forgive yourself and you forgive others. That will help a lot. Unless and until we forgive ourselves how can God forgive you? We have to have self-esteem. We have to ask for forgiveness from God. Please ask thrice, it will just work out. But if you are an adamant type God is not going to fall at your feet. You have to be humble and meek to enter into the Kingdom of God. By adamants, like a child who is obstinate you lose your own Spirit. This is all freely available, but if you close your nose and your mouth and don't breathe, you die. This kind of obstinacy is sheer stupidity. We have to have wise people for Sahaja Yoga, not stuck-up people. Let's put both your hands towards Me and close your eyes. Close your eyes. Please pay attention to yourself, to your heart. Now, you have to ask for your Self Realization. Ask for it thrice. If you do not ask it will not work out. [Lapse of time. Shri Mataji repeats a Mantra in a low voice, sounds like: "Sakshat Shri Mahavishnu"?] You are feeling again guilty. Now, please do not feel guilty. I've told you that nothing is to be washed there, it's absolutely clear. Do not feel guilty, just say, "I'm not guilty." Keep your attention absolutely free. Do not concentrate at any point, just leave it free. Keep your eyes shut. Ha! Are you feeling the Cool Breeze in your hands? Don't be intense, just relax, relax, relax. It just works, it's living process, it will just work, nothing to be intense about it. Have patience with yourself. [Addressing SYs ] What is the trouble? Left Vishuddhi? Or right? Or both? It's left. You are still feeling guilty that's why the left Vishuddhi is catching. Say that, "I'm not guilty, Mother, I'm not guilty." That will help Me and help you. Ha! When you start feeling the Cool Breeze in your hands you'll also start feeling that coming out of your fontanel bone area. You can feel it yourself. Something can be felt in your hand. Just put your hands, it's there, just feel it. Now try and feel in your hands. You've got it. Feeling the Cool Breeze now? This is a subtle thing so you have to be little subtler. Try feeling it, try to feel it. Do not deny it. You just watch Me without thinking. Put your hands towards Me. Most of you have felt it, have you? Now, it's nice, I'm here for three days and three days will establish you fully. As the first outset the Kundalini sees Me, She shoots down. There's a difference in the pattern of realization between East and West because the Indians know what to expect. They just settle down with it. But in West people start thinking about it, they are so rambling. Again tomorrow they'll come saying that you've lost your vibrations. Nothing to be worried about, because Kundalini goes back to look after your problems. But we'll give you a way of establishing with it in the night. Marie has done the photography but it didn't turn out very well but doesn't matter you can use My photograph. She will tell you how to do it. Take from us a photograph. She will give you the photograph and tell you how to use it. And also she has got some papers. But in any case I'll feel their Sahasrara [Tape interrupted.]	null	null	null	Public Program, day 1. Nice (France), 21 September 1980. I'm very sorry I do not know French language but Marie will be able to translate. Today we have assembled here to know about our evolution. We have to know what we have to become after the human stage. Human life is not the end of evolution. We have not yet found out our meaning. The scientists have to ask a question: why we have made human being from amoeba stage. In fact there is within us a great source by which the human seeking comes in. Sometimes we are not even sure as to what we are seeking. But it exists as a kind of a dissatisfaction within us. In the modern times there are so many seekers of truth. I find them in every country, in every race, in every so-called religion. They are not satisfied with themselves. If they are satisfied they are frivolous or naïve people. If they are not satisfied there is some reason which they do not know why they are not. Sometimes they reach a confusion thinking their existence is futile. It is absurd to think that way because if you follow your evolution you have been slowly, gradually evolving into something. After all everything in our body has a function. In the nature nothing is wasted. Then our process of evolution which is a living process must be having some purpose. Without purpose nature has not taken so much care, so many years to make us beautiful human beings. I'm here to tell you that you have a very great purpose in life and that you are to be bestowed your power of your Spirit which resides in your heart. This has to happen to all of you. You are seeking this. You are seeking your Spirit. You are trying to bring your Spirit into your consciousness, into your awareness. This is your second birth. This is your baptism which is actualization, not just a lecture or a brain cleaning. It's a happening that has to take place within you. If this happening takes place within you or not is to be seen. But first I will tell you logically how this happening has to be effortless. We have evolved to human stage absolutely spontaneously. For becoming human beings we need not read any books or stand on our heads. We have taken for granted our human stage. It has happened to us without doing any efforts, without thinking about it without planning about it. So, if this is a living process of evolution we are going to get it effortlessly.For example you cannot pay for it. It is absolutely absurd. How much do you pay for a seed to be sprouted? And whom do you pay? Nature has prepared the seed in such a way that it sprouts by itself. So it is absolutely spontaneous which means 'Sahaja'. 'Saha' means 'with', 'ja' means 'born'. It is born with you. The living process is built in you as everything that has to be manifested by the seed is built in it. The seed becomes the root then the shoot. Then it becomes the branches and the leaves and the flowers and the fruits. You cannot say at what time exactly the flower becomes a fruit. You cannot specify the time. At the most you can say the season or the blossom time. I feel the blossom time has come. Yesterday in Spain eighty per cent people got their Realization; it might be between eighty or hundred. Actually I did not know anybody in Spain. From London we sent the advertisement in a hotel and the people came as bees coming to the flowers and they got their Realization without any trouble. In two days there were eighty people. It is most remarkable how the brain of this living process is acting. Even in Paris now we have - Paris and Lille - we have lots of people who have got Realization, and why not in Nice? Now I will tell you how this process takes place. When I'm telling you about this you should not take Me for granted, but you must have an open mind about it. Though this knowledge is known to you through scriptures it is very vague. It is mystical. You don't understand the mystery. Even in the Bible it is written that, "I will appear before you like tongues of flames." Also there is a mention quite a lot of Tree of Life and Water of Life. Now I will tell you here what exists within us: these are all the subtle energies that are acting within us. With your naked eyes you can only see the gross. Our germinating force lies in this triangular bone called as sacrum. This one is called in Sanskrit language as Kundalini. You can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of this Kundalini when Sahaja Yoga takes place. The awakening of the Kundalini also you can see as the rising of the energy you can see it. Not in all people. People if they are simple, not so complicated, then the Kundalini rises just like a jet. But if there are problems on these centers which are subtle then Kundalini takes time. When there are obstructions you see the Kundalini hitting the centers to get out. That is how you see Her pulsation. Ultimately you feel the pulsation here in the fontanel bone area and then the Kundalini breaks through this area. Then you start feeling the cool breeze in your hands first. This is the enlightened energy of your Spirit. This has been described very elaborately in Indian scriptures, because in India there is no organized religion of any kind. People go into meditative areas like some forests or hills or mountains. Since ancient times the knowledge about Kundalini was available in India, much more clearly than anywhere in any scripture. Maybe people understood it better there. The knowledge was kept a secret for quite some time till Shankaracharya - Adi Shankaracharya - the first Shankaracharya came on this earth. He also has not given all the details about Kundalini but he has just given the names of various centers. So the people started making research in Kundalini, but as I told you that you cannot put in effort: like if there is one light enlightened it can enlighten many lights, the Kundalini can be only awakened by an enlightened person. [Translation problem, Shri Mataji repeats:] As an enlightened light can enlighten many lights, it cannot be enlightened by something that is not enlightened. This is the basic ignorance of people. That is why all the religions have failed because those who were teaching religions were not enlightened beings: they had no authority from God, they were not connected with God. Unless and until you are connected with the mains how are you working it out? For example if your telephone is not connected: can you telephone? You cannot get connection in a theological college nor you can do some course about it or purchase it in the market: it is something so living like the flower becoming a fruit. This was the mistake of many people who called themselves as Tantrikas in India. When they started moving with their efforts, they moved in the beginning on the right or the left side. On the left-hand side resides our collective Subconscious: all that is dead resides in that area. I was surprised the other day in B.B.C. people described cancer very well, because cancer can be only cured by Sahaja Yoga. We have cured cancer but, of course, our job is not to cure. But as a byproduct of self Realization you get cured completely. The other day the B.B.C. people said that they have found some sort of protein matter which has forms, funny forms, are invading from your being from some areas unknown so far. These invaders actually trigger the process of cancer. About them I'll tell you tomorrow. Now we have programs here for three days. I hope you'll make it convenient to come every day and learn about it. On the right hand side exists the area of collective Supraconscious. But on top here exists the area of collective consciousness. The seat of the Spirit is on top of the fontanel bone area here. The Spirit exists in your heart. When the Kundalini rises and pierces through these centers through here, the Spirit gets enlightened. Actually Spirit is an enlightened light and your attention is spread on this area just like the sari like that. The Kundalini presses from down below and pierces it at the fontanel bone area. The Spirit enlightens the attention. Spirit is enjoying Itself, by Itself. Its enjoyment comes into your attention and you also start enjoying but because Spirit is collectively conscious you become collectively conscious. The becoming is the important thing, not the blah, blah, blah of it. There are such big, big books meaning nothing. Do you mean to say those who have not read books are not going to get their Realization? If this is a universal phenomenon, books should not delimit it. The Kundalini when it rises She indicates the problems that are in you. She is your Mother. She has only you as Her child. She has no other child and She loves you very, very much. She follows you all your lives and in this life also and She knows your problems like a tape recorder: She is coiled together in three and a half coils, like many threads, you can say, put in a rope. You can see this green area of which we have said: this is the gap which is between our consciousness and the Spirit. The center you see there green is the center through which we seek. This center started when we were ameba and we started seeking our food. When the seeking became subtler and subtler you've reached a state where you wanted to seek the power and the money and then your emotional enjoyment. But when it became the subtlest you started seeking the Spirit because ultimately you have to become the Spirit. It is natural to be animals but it is also natural to ascend. Ascending towards the Spirit one finds a big gap. This gap is filled with Kundalini awakening. Now this Kundalini is placed in all of you so the whole world has the hope of becoming the Spirit. But people are not seeking in the true way. They don't understand how to seek. They're more attracted towards circuses and fake people who try to befool them. One should know that you cannot pay for this happening of Kundalini. God doesn't understand your money: French Francs! So once you understand that it's a genuine process which takes place and has to take place in everyone then you approach Sahaja Yoga with a different attitude: the attitude of a seeker.We have within us these seven centers which are shown here. They are all within us existing and asserting themselves. These are all subtle centers but they manifest themselves as gross plexuses within us. I do not want to give you the list of all the physical plexuses that medical people know of but we have got papers and books which you can see and you can understand them very well, but vertically they represent our evolution. They're the milestones of our evolution and all these are adorned by deities. These deities are incarnations who came on this earth to save human beings. There are two types of basic in incarnations. One: the incarnations which are born out of the primordial Masters. In Koran they are called as [Kaitambars?] because they're prophets. In Indian language they are called as Gurus. Now, we should call them only as Sad Gurus because there's such a big cohort of these mushroom gurus that it is better to separate them from them, the ones who are realized souls. They may not be incarnations of the primordial master but they should be at least realized souls. There are many Gurus who are Realized souls. The other day I met a priest who is a disciple of some guru in India and he told Me that he's having a guru in India, he wrote the name of the guru and then should he talk to Me or not? See his guru is a Realized soul, I could see from his name because he was giving vibrations. I told him, "He's a Realized soul, he's my son, why shouldn't you come." Then I said that, "At the most you will become my grand-son. And grand-sons are more dearer than your son." Then he told Me that his guru had already told about Me to him and that he had told that I was the universal Mother and I had to give enlightenment to the whole word. In Spain one young gentleman came very early to the program and he said, "Mother I've come to help you." And I said, "You see, the girl who has come from Switzerland doesn't know very good Spanish language and she doesn't know how to translate. So, will you translate?" "Yes", he said he will. And he translated very well. When he sat down for his Realization he got his vibrations very fast. He came and told Me, "Mother, I have a guru whose name is such and such. He lives somewhere near Himalayas." I said, "He's a Realized soul." He said that, "He told Me that Mother will be coming to Spain and you must go and help Her." But they don't want to come out themselves. Some of them told Me, "Human beings can never understand us. They will crucify us so we want to keep away from them. You give them some light then we will talk to them later. Otherwise from people we'll get crucified." But I've met many like that. For example you might have heard the name of Mascaro who has translated Gita and other Upanishadas. He lives very near Cambridge. I went to see him. He is about seventy-five years old. He is very great, very great. He gave Me a rose and he had prepared some nice sweets for Me. He was so sweet to offer them. For five minutes I couldn't talk to him, My eyes were filled with tears. I asked him, "What do you Me want to do Mascaro for you?" He said, "Mother, give them light, please give them light." He said that Krishna has said that, "Those who cannot see can never see. They are seekers but they fall in the trap to something wrong." He wrote a very beautiful poem-like letter to Me requesting Me to give light. He has a friend who has got a Nobel prize for producing some sort of a reactor or something. He said, "When he has no eyes, he cannot see. He cannot feel the reactor of God that emits this all-pervading power of His love, which is so very dynamic and beautiful." It thinks, it organizes, it cooperates. The best of all is love, but you cannot feel it. For example if I say there is music on here and there are lots of pictures going on. If I put a television here then you will realize what I'm saying is true. In the same way this has to happen to you. As long as it has not happened to you why should you believe Me? But it has to happen. The time has come. This the Last Judgment. How God is going to judge you? Only by raising your Kundalini: you yourself start feeling the problems within you of these centers. You start judging yourself. As you grow you understand how these centers are working in you and in others. As soon as you get your Realization you start feeling the Cool Breeze flowing from your hands. But these fingertips where all the sympathetic centers are there get enlightened. For example one, two three, four, five, six and seven centers are there. They actually get enlightened. Even a Realized soul, maybe a child can feel. Just putting hands towards a person you can feel his centers, where are the problems. You can feel it as numbness, you can feel it as little tickling, or maybe little heat. Ultimately you feel it like Cool Breeze. When you start feeling it as a Cool Breeze then know that this is the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost. That is how you are going to know whether you are Realized or not. You are going to know what is wrong with yourself. This is Self Realization. But also you know about others. The energy starts flowing through you and you can raise the Kundalini yourself, you can give Realization to others. In India we have an Indian gentleman who has given Realization to ten thousand people. Marie knows him. He has done it in Indian villages because city people are very materialistic. They pose to be very cynical and subtle, and they pose like that, very subtle, but in heart they are not. They are impressed by fake people more. They don't want the reality. I also go in Indian villages more. Most of these fake ones are working in the cities, but now most of them are been found out gradually. Indians are spiritually very sensitive. They cannot understand a holy man takes money from people and lives like a parasite. These are not parasites, they are living like lords. One has to understand a person who is a holy person is holy in his privacy. The Kundalini awakening takes place because God loves you very much, that He wants you to enter into the Kingdom, that He wants that you are the ones who are really chosen by Him. He is a Father who is ocean of compassion and bliss and He wants to give all His powers to you. You have to receive Him with humility and achieve your Realization. Sahaja Yoga is not meant for frivolous people. I started My work in London only with six sincere people. I worked on them for four years. Now we have thousands of them. But those who are... [Tape interrupted] [Second CD - Translator : "Il faut qu'Elle travaille très dur..." i.e. "She has to work very hard."] But after Realization you yourself will start working hard giving it to others. You get drunk in the beauty of your being and you do not want to do it alone. You want to share it. You feel very selfish to just enjoy yourself. And that's how you spread light. Christ has said, "You do not enlighten the light to put it under the table." When you become enlightened you give and you become a witness of the play of God's love. Now, before starting the program of Realization I have to make a very humble request to you. Now I know French people very well. They feel guilty for nothing at all. They have made themselves miserable with this idea of guilt. I'm talking of the ocean of love. This gout of your so-called guilt - mythical one - can be washed out by this ocean. This guilt is very destroying. You do not destroy others with it but you destroy yourself. I can see that Spirit in you twinkling like a diamond. I want you to get that. Throw away these clouds of guilt and be cheerful. I'm sure it's going to work out. May God bless you! On the first day if you have any questions I would like to answer but if there are not, better to get it. You came very late... Q. : Is it possible for a woman to awaken Kundalini? A. : Ah! Who else? Who else? A man cannot have so much patience as the Mother has. Woman is the Shakti, the Holy Ghost is a woman, your mother was a woman. The woman is the power. By condemning women here you have really condemned [your entire society? - From translation] She is the power of man but if you ill-treat her and do not respect her she also becomes disrespectable. Say, supposing today in My place there would have been Shri Krishna, what He would have done? He would have used His Samara Shakti, He has the power to kill. He would have killed all of them, all these fake gurus, He would have finished them off. With the gurus so many of My children would have been killed too. This is a very delicate work. You have to have tremendous patience. They are children: you are not to get angry with them. He can't do it. He's there to help Me out and out but it's the work of a Mother. Who gives you the birth? Father or the Mother? I'm talking of the re-birth. Your Mother is only your Kundalini. She can only give you birth. Men may not, they think no end of themselves, but can they produce children? You have to be children to enter into the Kingdom of God. This is a funny idea that women cannot do God's work. This is a kind of a funny racialism I think. On the contrary they do it best. You can see that, I will show you. I've not only raised the Kundalini of people but I've given Realization to thousands. You need tremendous patience, love that is patience. And the only - only - joy is to see your children getting their Realization. You need that tenderness and kindness. There is a gentleman whom I know who is a guru, he is a Realized soul. He lives in a very high mountain in the state of Maharashtra. I went to see him. He was of course very good to Me but very harsh on the Sahaja yogis. He asked them, "How many of you are going to give their life for Mother?" I said, "What do you mean? I don't want their life. I want to give them life." He told Me that, "If somebody troubles You, send him over to me. After all I'm their elder brother." I did not know he was such a hard fellow. I sent him one man who was really troubling Me for nothing at all. I told him you go and see the guru. He was very impressed that the guru has called him. Because Mother you always take for granted. About after fifteen days this man came with both his legs broken and hands broken, hanged by two people, just brought like that. I saw him, the tears started falling down. I said, "What has happened?" He begged of Me, "Mother never send me to that guru." I said, "What happened?" He told Me a horrible story. He said, "This guru, I went and told him against You." I said, "What did you say against Me?" "I told him that Mother gives Realization to every Dick, Tom and Harry. She should discriminate about it." So the guru said that, " Do you think that you have more wisdom that She has?" And then he said, "Now you go and sleep." He lives on a mountain. His both hands and feet are incapacitated because he lives in the water and he moves about on a tiger, everything ferocious. See, He told Me that the tiger came and pushed him in the ditch down below. He fell down twenty feet. He broke both his legs and his hands and for two days he didn't get any food. Third day he got some bread tied to a string and pushed it down - the guru. He gave him that food and he said: "Unless and until you promised that you will never say a word against Mother I will not take you out." And then poor man was picked-up. He told this man, "Hang your legs in your neck and go in a swinging way to Her. She's the only one who will look after you." The real gurus are very strict people. They cannot be bought by money. You have to have complete dedication to them. Another doctor who was troubling Me too much, I sent him to another guru. After one month he came down absolutely thinned down. Now I asked him, "What happened?" He said, "I had to go and wash a temple of Shiva which was about a mile on a steep rock, every day twice." And he did it. I asked his guru, "Why did you do such a horrible thing to him?" So he said, "Donkey must be treated like a donkey." They are horrible. They think that's the only way to make you learn the lesson. I told them, " Give them Realization. They themselves will know. The Kundalini will Itself tell you. The other day I met a lady from Switzerland whom I had given Realization. She had met Me only once and had her Realization and she said that, "Kundalini says me everything. If I try to do wrong things She comes and hits me here [on the head]. If I talk too much it comes and touches me here. If I eat food with people who are very egoistical I get pain in the stomach and diarrhea." It's very interesting. So understand that Kundalini is a woman. She's the Shakti, She's your Mother, She understands Me better than you people understand Her. Or Me, also She understands Me. So do not have these ideas of racialism. All these people who are also realized souls and gurus are also My children. Sometimes I'll tell you later about them. Any other question? Q.: (In French) " Pour faire monter la Kundalini est-ce qu'un travail de purification n'est pas indispensable avant? " - "Shouldn't here be a purification work before the awakening of the Kundalini ?" A.: Purification? Maybe with some, maybe, I don't know, but with Me there is no need. Because here if you have ocean of cleansing power, it has just washed it all. You can suck all their Karmas and all their sin so called and your Kundalini itself will help you. You haven't done anything wrong. That's what power is, power is of Divine love which is tremendous and dynamic. All right? You have to get off your shoes please because the Mother earth also help us. Put your shoes back in the backside, behind you and put your hands towards Me. Because I told you these are the centers of the sympathetic nervous system. Tomorrow I will tell you elaborately how it works. As I've told you that you cannot think about it. But do not try to stop your thinking. Kundalini will spontaneously rise and when She will cross this center [Agnya] She will make you thoughtlessly aware. She will make you absolutely thoughtless but you will be aware, much more alert. You will listen to Me. Then the second stage is that the Kundalini pierces the fontanel bone area. At that time you start feeling the Cool Breeze. But maybe in between these two things, these two happenings, you may feel little hot sometimes or maybe little, little tinkling but doesn't matter. I will work it out and then I will teach you how to work it out yourselves. You have to become the masters of Kundalini technique which is a living technique. There is no other technique to awaken Kundalini. All right let's put your hands and close your eyes, close your eyes. Now do not bother about others or look at others. It will happen to most of you if you are in a receptive mood to receive the power. Do not deny and again do not feel guilty. You can say, "Mother, I'm not guilty", thrice. This has worked wonders in Paris, so please say, "Mother, I'm not guilty at all." Second thing you have to do is to forgive others, just forgive. Say that thrice, "Mother, I forgive all of them about whom I've felt hurt, those who have hurt me. I forgive all of them." Please, say it thrice. Just forgive. That's very important. Once you start forgiving a great center in your Agnya opens where resides the deity of Christ. Just forgive. Even when you don't forgive, what do you do is to destroy yourself. Those who have hurt you are not destroyed. So please say that, "First of all I forgive myself." Again and again you forgive yourself and you forgive others. That will help a lot. Unless and until we forgive ourselves how can God forgive you? We have to have self-esteem. We have to ask for forgiveness from God. Please ask thrice, it will just work out. But if you are an adamant type God is not going to fall at your feet. You have to be humble and meek to enter into the Kingdom of God. By adamants, like a child who is obstinate you lose your own Spirit. This is all freely available, but if you close your nose and your mouth and don't breathe, you die. This kind of obstinacy is sheer stupidity. We have to have wise people for Sahaja Yoga, not stuck-up people. Let's put both your hands towards Me and close your eyes. Close your eyes. Please pay attention to yourself, to your heart. Now, you have to ask for your Self Realization. Ask for it thrice. If you do not ask it will not work out. [Lapse of time. Shri Mataji repeats a Mantra in a low voice, sounds like: "Sakshat Shri Mahavishnu"?] You are feeling again guilty. Now, please do not feel guilty. I've told you that nothing is to be washed there, it's absolutely clear. Do not feel guilty, just say, "I'm not guilty." Keep your attention absolutely free. Do not concentrate at any point, just leave it free. Keep your eyes shut. Ha! Are you feeling the Cool Breeze in your hands? Don't be intense, just relax, relax, relax. It just works, it's living process, it will just work, nothing to be intense about it. Have patience with yourself. [Addressing SYs ] What is the trouble? Left Vishuddhi? Or right? Or both? It's left. You are still feeling guilty that's why the left Vishuddhi is catching. Say that, "I'm not guilty, Mother, I'm not guilty." That will help Me and help you. Ha! When you start feeling the Cool Breeze in your hands you'll also start feeling that coming out of your fontanel bone area. You can feel it yourself. Something can be felt in your hand. Just put your hands, it's there, just feel it. Now try and feel in your hands. You've got it. Feeling the Cool Breeze now? This is a subtle thing so you have to be little subtler. Try feeling it, try to feel it. Do not deny it. You just watch Me without thinking. Put your hands towards Me. Most of you have felt it, have you? Now, it's nice, I'm here for three days and three days will establish you fully. As the first outset the Kundalini sees Me, She shoots down. There's a difference in the pattern of realization between East and West because the Indians know what to expect. They just settle down with it. But in West people start thinking about it, they are so rambling. Again tomorrow they'll come saying that you've lost your vibrations. Nothing to be worried about, because Kundalini goes back to look after your problems. But we'll give you a way of establishing with it in the night. Marie has done the photography but it didn't turn out very well but doesn't matter you can use My photograph. She will tell you how to do it. Take from us a photograph. She will give you the photograph and tell you how to use it. And also she has got some papers. But in any case I'll feel their Sahasrara [Tape interrupted.]
9/22/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=20862	The manifestation of the Spirit	France	Nice	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	48	Public Program Day 2, Nice, France 1980-09-22 Yesterday I told you about the residual power within us which resides in the sacrum bone. This power is called as Kundalini. This is the power that ascends through these centres and gives us our Realization, our rebirth. I’ve also told you that in so many people you can see the pulsation of this Kundalini, clearly, with your naked eyes. You can also see its rising in the different centres, up to this point. You can also feel the pulsation on your head. And you can also — afterwards, when it breaks this area — you can feel the cool breeze flowing from your hand. This is the energy of your Spirit. We can say this is the manifestation of the Spirit. Thus you enter into a new realm of Collective Consciousness. You become collectively conscious. You start feeling others on your fingertips. Actually, all these five fingers — plus, six and seven, points — are the centres within us. You get enlightened — because you can feel them here and sometimes within also. Some people do not feel it on the hands, and some people did not feel it for some time yesterday. But they definitely felt on their head. Now, one has to know that this is the knowledge which is known through many Indians. Adi Shankaracharya, he has very elaborately written about Kundalini awakening and its manifestation. He has described all these centres. These centres are created within us during our evolutionary process, in a vertical manner. But in a horizontal manner, your subtleness grows into various emotional, mental, and physical areas. Sahaja Yoga means: “saha” means “with”, and “ja” means “born”. Today I will not tell you more about the gurus who are trying to exploit the Western people. Because you are spiritually very naive and are very great seekers, you have been seeking for ages — and when they came to know about your seeking, they floated the enterprises. But you have got Christ before you to understand. He never floated any enterprise. He never ran any courses. He never took any money from anyone. Why should we not take a lesson from Him? He was a carpenter’s son, He lived like a carpenter. Krishna was a king, He lived like a king. They are not parasites to live on your money. But somehow, you were too naive to understand these subtle things. It’s all right, whatever has happened has happened. You have to get your Realization. It is your right. In your seeking, you have to get it. But it has to be an actualization, not just a bla-bla-bla. It has to happen within you, and there is nothing to be frightened of. Some people have written such huge books about Kundalini. They do not know a word about Kundalini! One gentleman has discussed for hundreds of pages whether the Kundalini is in the stomach or is in the brain. One other person has floated a research institute. What research can you do with your ego? Before Realization, whatever you do, you do through your ego. To know God, you must know your Spirit. You cannot know God without knowing your Spirit. That has to be achieved first. All the great saints of India and all over the world have written the same. We had one great poet in England whose name was William Blake; he has written great things about Realization. Now for you it is necessary to understand that it is a happening that should take place. And otherwise it has no meaning at all. I will explain to you how God has made you so beautifully and how you get your second birth. To begin with, you must know: the light which is enlightened can only enlighten other lights. For example, there is a candle which is enlightened — can enlighten another candle which is not enlightened. But if it, this one, is not enlightened, what it’s going to do to that? Now, the candle is all made that way. The candle is just ready to be enlightened. Only thing what one has to do is to put this candle next to that one and enlighten it. In the same way, your instrument is just ready to be enlightened. As yesterday I said, that if I tell you that in this area there is a lot of music and you cannot hear, but if you put a television, you can even see the pictures. Yesterday so many people got their Realization here. Practically most of them. It’s a remarkable thing that’s happening. Because it is the blossom time. Many fruits are going to be ripened and matured because the transformation is going to take place. As I told you yesterday, you cannot transform a flower into a fruit. It is done by nature. You do not know the technique. You cannot achieve it either, it is done spontaneously. [To somebody] Let the little one come further if he wants to. He can’t see Me. He can’t see Me. You have to be like children, is a fact. If you are very complicated, it doesn’t work out. If you are like children, it works out much faster. So within us are placed those seven centres, which I’m showing you. Yesterday I told you about the first centre, which is guarding the protocol of the Kundalini. It’s the centre of innocence. And this innocence is the first essence of life. But when the Kundalini rises, she rises above that centre. At the first centre, you can say, we were carbon atoms, to begin with. The sustenance, or the religion, of carbon atom is that it has got four valencies. Because of its four valencies, it combines with other elements and forms life. Above that, is the centre of creation, here. It receives its power from the yellow line, which is responsible for our action. This is the Kriya Shakti; also you can call it Prana Shakti. This power gives us our power to think and also gives us power to act through our body. The channel through which it flows is called in Sanskrit language as Pingala Nadi. This is the subtle channel inside the spinal cord and inside the brain also. And in the outside, this subtle channel expresses grossly as left sympathetic nervous system. No, I’m sorry, right sympathetic. On the left-hand side, you see another channel of the blue colour, which means this last centre. This channel is called as Ida Nadi. This supplies our emotional energy. It gives us our existence. It deals with our past, with our conditionings. This is the psyche about which the psychologists talk often. But they are very half-baked people. They know very little; that, too, about only one… one of the channels. And they have created terrible problems for the Western people. Like Freud: he says that you should try to de-condition yourself. When you try to de-condition yourself, you have to use your ego, means your right side. You have to go into kriya, or action. As a result, you develop an ego there, the white-coloured balloon. And if you… if you have too much action of the left side, you develop a superego. So, whichever way you try, you cannot go in the centre. For example, this second centre is also responsible for transforming your fat cells for the use of the brain. If you think too much, then it neglects its other duties. It has to look after the upper part of the liver, the pancreas, the spleen, the kidneys, and the uterus. Poor thing has to work day in and day out because you are all the time thinking. Then you… as a result, you develop a bad liver. On top of that, you drink too much. Poor liver gets tired. This is all self-destroying. Liver has a very important job to do. It clears all the poisons of the body as heat. The heat must pass into the water. But when you take water… when you take alcohol, it changes the form of water. The water becomes like this: oxygen here on top and hydrogen here. It does not receive any heat any more! Same thing happens in cancer. Cancer people never feel the temperature, never getting temperature. But they feel head very much heated up. Now, in the same way, the spleen and the pancreas go out, and people become pale— MARIE [translator]: Pale? SHRI MATAJI: Pale, with the spleen, and with the pancreas you get diabetes. In the same way, you develop diseases— MARIE: I’m sorry, Mother, I got a bit lost. SHRI MATAJI: Huh? No, no, no, no, pancreas gives you diabetes, and the spleen, you know, gives you anaemia conditions. This makes your temperament also very irritable, and you could become pessimistic, too. All cheerfulness of life is gone from your faces. You really become then very boring. You cannot sit and enjoy each other’s company without taking a cup of whisky in your hand. There is no rapport established between human beings. You have to go to a cinema together, or you have to have a discotheque together, but you cannot talk sensibly for more than five minutes. You have to have some agencies in between to protect you from each other. Otherwise there are quarrels and divorces. Human beings are the greatest creation of God’s love. They have to know what is God’s love is. But when they think of God’s love, also, they just get confused. It is pure divine blessing. It just emits from your being. It just gives, it doesn’t… it doesn’t expect anything. The establishment of our own sustenance is very important. MARIE: Sustenance? SHRI MATAJI: Sustenance. It’s religion, as I’ve said already; inner religion, you can say. Sustenance. Inner… inner… just like carbon has four valencies, we have ten sustenance of our own. This green area represents that place where the Primordial Masters are born to give us that sustenance. Yesterday I told you about them. That’s why it was said that “Be in the centre, do not go to the extremes.” But human beings have a special tendency to go at a tangent. If it comes to seeking, they’ll go to such a limit that they’ll be good for nothing. I’ve met people who came to Me, they had cut their tongues, which were wagging like the dogs’ do. Some of them have got popping eyes, some of them have got these blown-up things with too much pranayama. If they will do Hatha Yoga, they will become just skeletons. If they will take to fasting, they will end up in the grave only. Who has told you to do all these things? Just to destroy this beautiful temple of your being? You should have just waited in the centre instead of getting so frantic. The God, who has created you so beautifully, is going to do something about it. He has made you human beings from amoeba stage, and He is going to make you higher. It is… it is His problem, not yours. You did not create yourself. If He does not do something about it, He will have no meaning. His creation will be lost. If He is the God Almighty, He is going to do something about it. But this comes because we think we can also do something about it. [Shri Mataji laughs] But all this should come logically with you that you do not do anything. What do you do? If a tree dies, you make a chair. You think you have done a great job. You have changed one dead form into another dead form. It’s like children playing in the sand. What living work have you done? Can you transform one flower into fruit? At least children do not get involved into their play. But you do all things so seriously that it is most surprising. There is nothing great in creating this building there or there. There is something, of course, when you do something beautiful, when you are doing it for the pleasure of God, to show Him that you can create beauty, as a reflection. As you have got a beautiful church at Chartres, which was very beautiful — it’s just to glorify Him. But you cannot give Realization, you cannot give baptism. That is all artificial. You can do artificial things, but God-made things are real. After Realization you do living things: you can raise the Kundalini with your hands, you can give Realization to people. If you give vibrations, say, to a flower, it will sustain life for much longer time. In India, we have some Sahaja Yogis who are professors in agricultural university. They have experimented with these vibrations. They have found out that if you give vibrated water to the soil and have the crop of it, it is sometimes ten times more! It won’t be twenty times — too much — but it would be optimum in the centre. Where they could not grow coconut, with vibrated coconuts they are growing. We can solve all the problems of poverty if we take to Sahaja Yoga. But you should not ask to be like Mr. Ford. He is too rich for… to enter into the Kingdom of God. Such people are mad! They go on collecting junks after junks. They have no beauty in them. So, after Realization you understand what is the extreme. Within us, there are other awarenesses also. For the left… left side of this Ida Nadi, if you move, there is the awareness of Collective Subconscious. On the right-hand side, if you move to the extreme right, there is the area of Collective Supraconscious. Kundalini is the Unconscious. And the lower part we need not discuss, it is the Hell. The above your head is the Collective Consciousness. That is the one we have to achieve. We have to become collectively conscious. If you move too much to the left-hand side, you are attacked by the left-hand entities who exist in this collective subconscious. Yesterday I told you that I saw a BBC program in which they said that in cancer you are attacked from some areas which are built in you from creation. Unknown areas. Sahaja Yoga is the only way you can cure cancer and stop it. [Here Shri Mataji is explaining how cancer starts] Because you go into the supraconsciousness. When there is a centre like this, the left-hand… right-hand- side energies are pulling the energies from your body. When left- and right-hand-side sympathetic nervous go into activity, the thing becomes much faster and the exhaustion is much more. When it is too much exhausted, then it dries up and it moves outward. Then the relationship with the whole is lost. A cell starts behaving on its own. It becomes egoistical, it says: “What’s wrong?” It becomes a unique cell. It becomes malignant, it starts overpowering other and also mesmerizing the other cells. MARIE: It becomes…? SHRI MATAJI: Overpowering other cells and mesmerizing. In Sahaja Yoga, when the Kundalini rises, she takes your attention to the super-conscious. Like in a sari: when you push it out, how the sari is pulled up. Your attention is collected from the left and right extremes. And the Kundalini pierces the Sahasrara. Means the Brahma… it is called as Brahmarandra, means “the hole in the Brahma”. These vibrations is the Brahma. Now, then… the attack actually comes mostly from the left, that is the thing I’ve noticed in cancer. It is sad, but some of the gurus are doing that. They are introducing left cancer into many disciples. Some of them make them mesmerized, so that they become epileptic. One develops through that mesmerism epilepsy and also things like hysteria, melancholia, fright. Some of the gurus have made the disciples so frightened that they develop… they are even afraid of garlics. And the right-side ones are something like the LSD. MARIE: Mmm? SHRI MATAJI: The right-side supraconscious — attacks are like LSD. Right-side are all over elements, five elements. So you start seeing lights or hallucinations of… sea and all that, you feel you are becoming sea, you are becoming light, sort of nonsense. Many people who also see Me when they have taken LSD, they just see light, they don’t see Me. Some friends of Marie [translator] had that experience. So you do not have to be in the past or in the future but in the centre, in the present. The centre is a very small part. Because a thought rises and falls down, and another thought rises and falls off. There’s a very little space in between. That space is called as vilamba in Sanskrit language. If this space increases, then you can be in the present. So the thought that has gone back becomes the past, and the one that is coming is the future. One thought comes from the superego, and another comes from the ego. Kundalini sucks both of them, and you go in the centre. You become the present. Then your language changes. Your hands start emitting the power. Then you say: “It is coming, it is going, it is rising, it is falling.” You speak in third language, third person, not in the first person: “I do it.” You say, “It doesn’t work out, Mother.” Then you say, “It works out, it’s coming.” That means you become akarmi: actionless, non-action. It just emits. This has to happen to you. And then you should know all about chakras. You should know how to manoeuvre it, you should know how to master it. You have to be experts. If you are… if you do not become expert, you will not be happy either. [Shri Mataji laughs] It is such a joy-giving thing. And Sahaja Yoga is such a joker it makes you laugh. Because you start witnessing everything. The whole drama finishes off, you are no more involved in the drama. And you are surprised how God’s play works, how His illusions play with us. Life becomes such an enjoyment. For you all have to enter into the Kingdom of God. I’ve told you that the Last Judgement has started. It is going to happen through Kundalini awakening only. Is God going to… is God going to put you on some weighing machine? Kundalini is the central point, pointer, which will show how far you have gone left and right. And you will correct yourself. Because you’ll come out of yourself and become one with your Spirit, which is your real Self. And you will know everything about yourself and about others. I’m very happy that today there are so many people, and I am sure today it is going to work out even better. Tomorrow I’ll tell you about other centres and also what to do after Realization. That is much more important in the West because there are many preconceived ideas about Realization and about God. God is what He is. You cannot have your conception about God. Spirit is what it is. But those who know are easy people to remain there. For example, if I know this is the hall I have to come to, I settle down here. [0:47:00: cut in the recording] MARIE [in French]: There is a man, over there, who yesterday said that he had lost hope, that he was hopeless. He feels already much better. SHRI MATAJI [to the man]: You are perfect, don’t worry. What can they destroy? They cannot destroy your Spirit. It is indestructible. I see that in you. These are only clouds. You see? Whoosh! And they… these are only clouds. Clouds cannot destroy the sun. Don’t you worry, it’s going to work out. Just take off your shoes and please take them behind.	null	null	null	Public Program Day 2, Nice, France 1980-09-22 Yesterday I told you about the residual power within us which resides in the sacrum bone. This power is called as Kundalini. This is the power that ascends through these centres and gives us our Realization, our rebirth. I’ve also told you that in so many people you can see the pulsation of this Kundalini, clearly, with your naked eyes. You can also see its rising in the different centres, up to this point. You can also feel the pulsation on your head. And you can also — afterwards, when it breaks this area — you can feel the cool breeze flowing from your hand. This is the energy of your Spirit. We can say this is the manifestation of the Spirit. Thus you enter into a new realm of Collective Consciousness. You become collectively conscious. You start feeling others on your fingertips. Actually, all these five fingers — plus, six and seven, points — are the centres within us. You get enlightened — because you can feel them here and sometimes within also. Some people do not feel it on the hands, and some people did not feel it for some time yesterday. But they definitely felt on their head. Now, one has to know that this is the knowledge which is known through many Indians. Adi Shankaracharya, he has very elaborately written about Kundalini awakening and its manifestation. He has described all these centres. These centres are created within us during our evolutionary process, in a vertical manner. But in a horizontal manner, your subtleness grows into various emotional, mental, and physical areas. Sahaja Yoga means: “saha” means “with”, and “ja” means “born”. Today I will not tell you more about the gurus who are trying to exploit the Western people. Because you are spiritually very naive and are very great seekers, you have been seeking for ages — and when they came to know about your seeking, they floated the enterprises. But you have got Christ before you to understand. He never floated any enterprise. He never ran any courses. He never took any money from anyone. Why should we not take a lesson from Him? He was a carpenter’s son, He lived like a carpenter. Krishna was a king, He lived like a king. They are not parasites to live on your money. But somehow, you were too naive to understand these subtle things. It’s all right, whatever has happened has happened. You have to get your Realization. It is your right. In your seeking, you have to get it. But it has to be an actualization, not just a bla-bla-bla. It has to happen within you, and there is nothing to be frightened of. Some people have written such huge books about Kundalini. They do not know a word about Kundalini! One gentleman has discussed for hundreds of pages whether the Kundalini is in the stomach or is in the brain. One other person has floated a research institute. What research can you do with your ego? Before Realization, whatever you do, you do through your ego. To know God, you must know your Spirit. You cannot know God without knowing your Spirit. That has to be achieved first. All the great saints of India and all over the world have written the same. We had one great poet in England whose name was William Blake; he has written great things about Realization. Now for you it is necessary to understand that it is a happening that should take place. And otherwise it has no meaning at all. I will explain to you how God has made you so beautifully and how you get your second birth. To begin with, you must know: the light which is enlightened can only enlighten other lights. For example, there is a candle which is enlightened — can enlighten another candle which is not enlightened. But if it, this one, is not enlightened, what it’s going to do to that? Now, the candle is all made that way. The candle is just ready to be enlightened. Only thing what one has to do is to put this candle next to that one and enlighten it. In the same way, your instrument is just ready to be enlightened. As yesterday I said, that if I tell you that in this area there is a lot of music and you cannot hear, but if you put a television, you can even see the pictures. Yesterday so many people got their Realization here. Practically most of them. It’s a remarkable thing that’s happening. Because it is the blossom time. Many fruits are going to be ripened and matured because the transformation is going to take place. As I told you yesterday, you cannot transform a flower into a fruit. It is done by nature. You do not know the technique. You cannot achieve it either, it is done spontaneously. [To somebody] Let the little one come further if he wants to. He can’t see Me. He can’t see Me. You have to be like children, is a fact. If you are very complicated, it doesn’t work out. If you are like children, it works out much faster. So within us are placed those seven centres, which I’m showing you. Yesterday I told you about the first centre, which is guarding the protocol of the Kundalini. It’s the centre of innocence. And this innocence is the first essence of life. But when the Kundalini rises, she rises above that centre. At the first centre, you can say, we were carbon atoms, to begin with. The sustenance, or the religion, of carbon atom is that it has got four valencies. Because of its four valencies, it combines with other elements and forms life. Above that, is the centre of creation, here. It receives its power from the yellow line, which is responsible for our action. This is the Kriya Shakti; also you can call it Prana Shakti. This power gives us our power to think and also gives us power to act through our body. The channel through which it flows is called in Sanskrit language as Pingala Nadi. This is the subtle channel inside the spinal cord and inside the brain also. And in the outside, this subtle channel expresses grossly as left sympathetic nervous system. No, I’m sorry, right sympathetic. On the left-hand side, you see another channel of the blue colour, which means this last centre. This channel is called as Ida Nadi. This supplies our emotional energy. It gives us our existence. It deals with our past, with our conditionings. This is the psyche about which the psychologists talk often. But they are very half-baked people. They know very little; that, too, about only one… one of the channels. And they have created terrible problems for the Western people. Like Freud: he says that you should try to de-condition yourself. When you try to de-condition yourself, you have to use your ego, means your right side. You have to go into kriya, or action. As a result, you develop an ego there, the white-coloured balloon. And if you… if you have too much action of the left side, you develop a superego. So, whichever way you try, you cannot go in the centre. For example, this second centre is also responsible for transforming your fat cells for the use of the brain. If you think too much, then it neglects its other duties. It has to look after the upper part of the liver, the pancreas, the spleen, the kidneys, and the uterus. Poor thing has to work day in and day out because you are all the time thinking. Then you… as a result, you develop a bad liver. On top of that, you drink too much. Poor liver gets tired. This is all self-destroying. Liver has a very important job to do. It clears all the poisons of the body as heat. The heat must pass into the water. But when you take water… when you take alcohol, it changes the form of water. The water becomes like this: oxygen here on top and hydrogen here. It does not receive any heat any more! Same thing happens in cancer. Cancer people never feel the temperature, never getting temperature. But they feel head very much heated up. Now, in the same way, the spleen and the pancreas go out, and people become pale— MARIE [translator]: Pale? SHRI MATAJI: Pale, with the spleen, and with the pancreas you get diabetes. In the same way, you develop diseases— MARIE: I’m sorry, Mother, I got a bit lost. SHRI MATAJI: Huh? No, no, no, no, pancreas gives you diabetes, and the spleen, you know, gives you anaemia conditions. This makes your temperament also very irritable, and you could become pessimistic, too. All cheerfulness of life is gone from your faces. You really become then very boring. You cannot sit and enjoy each other’s company without taking a cup of whisky in your hand. There is no rapport established between human beings. You have to go to a cinema together, or you have to have a discotheque together, but you cannot talk sensibly for more than five minutes. You have to have some agencies in between to protect you from each other. Otherwise there are quarrels and divorces. Human beings are the greatest creation of God’s love. They have to know what is God’s love is. But when they think of God’s love, also, they just get confused. It is pure divine blessing. It just emits from your being. It just gives, it doesn’t… it doesn’t expect anything. The establishment of our own sustenance is very important. MARIE: Sustenance? SHRI MATAJI: Sustenance. It’s religion, as I’ve said already; inner religion, you can say. Sustenance. Inner… inner… just like carbon has four valencies, we have ten sustenance of our own. This green area represents that place where the Primordial Masters are born to give us that sustenance. Yesterday I told you about them. That’s why it was said that “Be in the centre, do not go to the extremes.” But human beings have a special tendency to go at a tangent. If it comes to seeking, they’ll go to such a limit that they’ll be good for nothing. I’ve met people who came to Me, they had cut their tongues, which were wagging like the dogs’ do. Some of them have got popping eyes, some of them have got these blown-up things with too much pranayama. If they will do Hatha Yoga, they will become just skeletons. If they will take to fasting, they will end up in the grave only. Who has told you to do all these things? Just to destroy this beautiful temple of your being? You should have just waited in the centre instead of getting so frantic. The God, who has created you so beautifully, is going to do something about it. He has made you human beings from amoeba stage, and He is going to make you higher. It is… it is His problem, not yours. You did not create yourself. If He does not do something about it, He will have no meaning. His creation will be lost. If He is the God Almighty, He is going to do something about it. But this comes because we think we can also do something about it. [Shri Mataji laughs] But all this should come logically with you that you do not do anything. What do you do? If a tree dies, you make a chair. You think you have done a great job. You have changed one dead form into another dead form. It’s like children playing in the sand. What living work have you done? Can you transform one flower into fruit? At least children do not get involved into their play. But you do all things so seriously that it is most surprising. There is nothing great in creating this building there or there. There is something, of course, when you do something beautiful, when you are doing it for the pleasure of God, to show Him that you can create beauty, as a reflection. As you have got a beautiful church at Chartres, which was very beautiful — it’s just to glorify Him. But you cannot give Realization, you cannot give baptism. That is all artificial. You can do artificial things, but God-made things are real. After Realization you do living things: you can raise the Kundalini with your hands, you can give Realization to people. If you give vibrations, say, to a flower, it will sustain life for much longer time. In India, we have some Sahaja Yogis who are professors in agricultural university. They have experimented with these vibrations. They have found out that if you give vibrated water to the soil and have the crop of it, it is sometimes ten times more! It won’t be twenty times — too much — but it would be optimum in the centre. Where they could not grow coconut, with vibrated coconuts they are growing. We can solve all the problems of poverty if we take to Sahaja Yoga. But you should not ask to be like Mr. Ford. He is too rich for… to enter into the Kingdom of God. Such people are mad! They go on collecting junks after junks. They have no beauty in them. So, after Realization you understand what is the extreme. Within us, there are other awarenesses also. For the left… left side of this Ida Nadi, if you move, there is the awareness of Collective Subconscious. On the right-hand side, if you move to the extreme right, there is the area of Collective Supraconscious. Kundalini is the Unconscious. And the lower part we need not discuss, it is the Hell. The above your head is the Collective Consciousness. That is the one we have to achieve. We have to become collectively conscious. If you move too much to the left-hand side, you are attacked by the left-hand entities who exist in this collective subconscious. Yesterday I told you that I saw a BBC program in which they said that in cancer you are attacked from some areas which are built in you from creation. Unknown areas. Sahaja Yoga is the only way you can cure cancer and stop it. [Here Shri Mataji is explaining how cancer starts] Because you go into the supraconsciousness. When there is a centre like this, the left-hand… right-hand- side energies are pulling the energies from your body. When left- and right-hand-side sympathetic nervous go into activity, the thing becomes much faster and the exhaustion is much more. When it is too much exhausted, then it dries up and it moves outward. Then the relationship with the whole is lost. A cell starts behaving on its own. It becomes egoistical, it says: “What’s wrong?” It becomes a unique cell. It becomes malignant, it starts overpowering other and also mesmerizing the other cells. MARIE: It becomes…? SHRI MATAJI: Overpowering other cells and mesmerizing. In Sahaja Yoga, when the Kundalini rises, she takes your attention to the super-conscious. Like in a sari: when you push it out, how the sari is pulled up. Your attention is collected from the left and right extremes. And the Kundalini pierces the Sahasrara. Means the Brahma… it is called as Brahmarandra, means “the hole in the Brahma”. These vibrations is the Brahma. Now, then… the attack actually comes mostly from the left, that is the thing I’ve noticed in cancer. It is sad, but some of the gurus are doing that. They are introducing left cancer into many disciples. Some of them make them mesmerized, so that they become epileptic. One develops through that mesmerism epilepsy and also things like hysteria, melancholia, fright. Some of the gurus have made the disciples so frightened that they develop… they are even afraid of garlics. And the right-side ones are something like the LSD. MARIE: Mmm? SHRI MATAJI: The right-side supraconscious — attacks are like LSD. Right-side are all over elements, five elements. So you start seeing lights or hallucinations of… sea and all that, you feel you are becoming sea, you are becoming light, sort of nonsense. Many people who also see Me when they have taken LSD, they just see light, they don’t see Me. Some friends of Marie [translator] had that experience. So you do not have to be in the past or in the future but in the centre, in the present. The centre is a very small part. Because a thought rises and falls down, and another thought rises and falls off. There’s a very little space in between. That space is called as vilamba in Sanskrit language. If this space increases, then you can be in the present. So the thought that has gone back becomes the past, and the one that is coming is the future. One thought comes from the superego, and another comes from the ego. Kundalini sucks both of them, and you go in the centre. You become the present. Then your language changes. Your hands start emitting the power. Then you say: “It is coming, it is going, it is rising, it is falling.” You speak in third language, third person, not in the first person: “I do it.” You say, “It doesn’t work out, Mother.” Then you say, “It works out, it’s coming.” That means you become akarmi: actionless, non-action. It just emits. This has to happen to you. And then you should know all about chakras. You should know how to manoeuvre it, you should know how to master it. You have to be experts. If you are… if you do not become expert, you will not be happy either. [Shri Mataji laughs] It is such a joy-giving thing. And Sahaja Yoga is such a joker it makes you laugh. Because you start witnessing everything. The whole drama finishes off, you are no more involved in the drama. And you are surprised how God’s play works, how His illusions play with us. Life becomes such an enjoyment. For you all have to enter into the Kingdom of God. I’ve told you that the Last Judgement has started. It is going to happen through Kundalini awakening only. Is God going to… is God going to put you on some weighing machine? Kundalini is the central point, pointer, which will show how far you have gone left and right. And you will correct yourself. Because you’ll come out of yourself and become one with your Spirit, which is your real Self. And you will know everything about yourself and about others. I’m very happy that today there are so many people, and I am sure today it is going to work out even better. Tomorrow I’ll tell you about other centres and also what to do after Realization. That is much more important in the West because there are many preconceived ideas about Realization and about God. God is what He is. You cannot have your conception about God. Spirit is what it is. But those who know are easy people to remain there. For example, if I know this is the hall I have to come to, I settle down here. [0:47:00: cut in the recording] MARIE [in French]: There is a man, over there, who yesterday said that he had lost hope, that he was hopeless. He feels already much better. SHRI MATAJI [to the man]: You are perfect, don’t worry. What can they destroy? They cannot destroy your Spirit. It is indestructible. I see that in you. These are only clouds. You see? Whoosh! And they… these are only clouds. Clouds cannot destroy the sun. Don’t you worry, it’s going to work out. Just take off your shoes and please take them behind.
9/26/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=7118	Advice to Ashram on Prayer	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	51	Advice to yogis. Chelsham ashram, London (UK), 26 September 1980. Now, first I want to tell you what happened where I went, and how we got lots of Sahaja Yogis all over. That’s very good news.The first thing was, I went to Lille, where you know Cathy is doing the organizing. She is a very sensible person, and her father is somehow [a] little bit opposed to Sahaja Yoga, but mother is not. And she called Me to her place for lunch.Shri Mataji : [Aside] What are you doing now?Please keep it. All right. And when I went to her house the mother had- was suffering from arthritis and things like that, and I cured her, and she got Realization. That convinced her mother very much, and she was very happy.Then in the evening, she had booked a hall in Lille and to our amazement, we had lots ofpeople. We were surprised that how about sixty people or sixty-five people were there in thehall. And among them were some very, very nice people.One of the friends of Cathy, her mother came and they got their Realization so fast in Lille that I was surprised.And there, we met husband and wife who had been with TM. Very sensible people, both of them were really very sensible. When I explained to them what was Sahaja Yoga, they didn’t get their Realization but they understood that there was something great about it.So they said, “All right, we are coming with you to Paris.” And one lady had come from Belgium. I took her also, and we went to Paris. They have their father’s house there, they stayed in their father’s house. And these two were wonderful people and they followed us even to Orleans.But in Paris, the advertisement did not appear for two days. But these people had put some posters. We got about seventy-five people on the first day. And in that, we got a priest also there. Out of that, at least eighty per cent got Realization. They again came second day and came third day. And the third day, it was in the paper, so there was a bigger crowd, much bigger crowd, and it was a much bigger hall. And about eighty persons have got Realization there who are really very good. And they have decided to start a good center in Paris. Even in Lille now the center has started because these husband and wife are going to start a center there. Then I went to -you must have heard about – Chartres. It’s a very beautiful church there. Went to see that church; it was very beautiful. Very good vibrations from that place. And then we went to Orleans, where we were just informed, a hall to be booked for us, and we had then one advertisement. Only in one advertisement, there were about seventy people. And practically everybody got Realization. Except for some TM’s they are good, and as usual, they are very funny – but they went away. And we had another gentleman who came in his orange robe, who has – he says he has taken a sanyasa and he has some technique and this and that, but Marie said there is no technique for Sahaja Yoga, there is no technique of God. And then he and one or two with him, they went away. But so many people got Realization, and they offered their houses for their centers and all that. But the hall- the man who was organizing the hall, he said that he just charges six pounds per meeting. So why should we have another hall? And so we decided to have the hall there.It was done by a girl who came from Australia, her name was Annie. She had met Warren there because she knew him before, but Warren didn’t tell him [her] about what had happened. When she came back she wrote to him that, “I saw such a tremendous change in you, I didn’t understand how you got this change. You were was so settled down and so detached from things. And you’re very different, otherwise so particular about every detail and things like that. All that had vanished, and you had become such a relaxed man, and your attention was somebody else. How did it happen? Then he wrote to her, “It is Sahaja Yoga, you go and see Gregoire.” And Gregoire gave her Realization.Then she went and saw Marie, and Marie confirmed it, and the whole thing became all right. Now, Marie is a person who has really done such a lot, such a lot and all out she went to do everything that is possible. Then from there, I came back to Paris and then I flew to Madrid.We had two programs in Madrid. Actually, Gavin had sent her one advertisement, which appeared and a second never appeared, only the one appeared there. And when I reached there I was wondering how many people would be there. There were about a hundred and twenty people in the hall, and we didn’t know what to do. It was so suffocatingly crowded we did not know what to do. But we found out fifty per cent of them were frivolous people. They were saying, “We don’t believe in God,” and they were talking, “We don’t believe in Christ. This Catholicism we are against,” and all sorts of things, you see. And the fifty per cent got Realization. And they were very, I mean they were reactionary, they said, “How could God be there if there is so much poverty?” This, that nonsense they were talking. But that day, the girl who came from Switzerland, her name was Miryam, she’s also a Catholic and she had problems because of that. And another was Hélène. She’s another very intelligent girl, something like Gregoire’s elder sister, extremely brilliant girl, and she could see the point very well and she was so clever. She said, “Only I got it once, and the Kundalini is now doing everything for me, She goes up, She teaches me, and whenever I do wrong, She comes down and She teaches me, She gives me faith, She’s so kind to me.” She’s so sensitive, I was so amazed at her! Another person was Miryam who was little bit suffering with this Catholicism sort of thing. And then I brought her round, I brought this one lady round but she could not translate. And then, people started helping her to translate. Then one of the gentlemen was sitting there, I said, “All right, why don’t you come and translate?” He came forward and he was like a professor, in the way he started translating Me as if he knew Sahaja Yoga very well! With this beautiful translation, he got his Realization, he went away.Next day, the hall was to be- we had to shift to another hall, a very big hall, a very beautiful hall, and all that. Then when we went to the bigger hall, you’ll be amazed, there must be at least ninety people or maybe a hundred people in that hall – second day and all very sensible and nice people. They didn’t have all these things and so attentive, so attentive to My lecture. But the first thing that had happened is when I went to Paris was something very remarkable if you like it was repeated again here. This priest came to see Me and he said that he couldn’t get his Realization. So he wrote a letter to Me, that “Mother, I have a secret guru, in Rameshwaram, his name is such and such. When I go there, I stay with him and I cannot get Realization, I don’t know why.” So I told him, “There should be no problem because your Guru is a Realized soul.” I could see vibration-wise.Then he told Me, “Yes, he told me that She’s the Mother, She’s going to emancipate the whole world, and you just can get your emancipation through Her.” And this was really energy-giving. I was so happy to hear that people are now recognizing, these gurus are recognizing and they are understanding My value. And I’ve never seen this fellow before. The same thing was repeated in the second program of Madrid, where this gentleman appeared on the scene. I’ve forgotten his name, but Maria has all the names and all that. And he just came at the beginning of the hall, he sat there. He took charge of the whole place and he said, “Mother, I’m going to translate You.” And he used Spanish and English very well. He stood up and he translated Me, he looked after everyone, extremely wise and sensible fellow. And I asked him, “How are you here?”He said, “I’ve come to do this work, Mother, especially.” And he told Me, “My guru’s name is Swami Ram and he lives on the Himalayas, he doesn’t go out anywhere.”I said, “He’s a Realized soul, I know, he’s a Realized soul.”Then he didn’t talk to Me but he talked to these girls. He said that: “My guru has told me that She’s Her Holiness. She will come to Madrid, you go and help Her. That’s why I waited for Mother to come.” So, such a help is coming to us now. Now I want to know what our London Sahaja Yogis especially are going to do about themselves. That is a very important matter because I find the progress is very slow. Extremely slow, vibration-wise is not much progress. Even Regis doesn’t have good vibrations. I saw him, I was surprised, he’s lost his vibrations quite a lot. And same with Peter I would say, he was quite bad. And this is something I can’t understand, what’s happening to them. So it may be that you people feel guilty or do some sort of a nonsense of your mind, and you go on thinking or I don’t know what you are doing. You have to improve in your vibrations. I think Harry is the only person who has improved, very much.So what are you doing? Sitting and sulking and thinking and putting your mind into something nonsensical? Paying more attention to something like food? Is it? That: “What food should we eat, what should we have for food?” You must know if you are staying in an ashram, ashram is a training. What is the training you have to have? Let us see now. Is not to how to manage food, is to how to manage yourself. The main thing is you have to see where is your attention. What are you doing about your attention? Are you putting it to food and all these nonsensical things and money and finances and this and that? If that is so, it is not going to help you. “We should have this for food, we should have that for food.” Now I have found out that Western people waste so much of their energy in decision-making. And what are the decisions you have made, so far? Like, what food should we have? What does it become ultimately, all the food that you decide to eat? Same about our lives. When we think and try to plan our lives, what do we make out of it? What is the ultimate result of our life? We should think. Because of this ego-orientation this decision-making is there. I’m amazed how this decision-making about food has started. Actually ashram is the place where you should try to control your attention and deny things. That’s why people used to fast. If that extreme is not there, this extreme is also not good, is to think, what are you going to eat today, what are you going to eat tomorrow, what are we going to have for food. I think, best thing is you better fast every evening, that’s the better idea. It’s the best idea is that you all fast, so that there is no attention about food. And what a thing to waste about? And there is a quarrel on, “And this much money saved, that has happened, that ….” You forget about money and forget about all these. You have to improve your vibrations. In the ashram you have not come here to find a convenience. I have told you before and today again. We have to improve our vibrations, our relations with each other. Now another thing I want to tell you, nobody should talk to each other saying, “Mother says so.” I think you stop all your meetings, that’s a better idea. “Mother said so, Mother said so.” I never say to anyone. If I have to say, I say it directly. Nobody should use this phrase. I’m requesting all of you. “Mother said so.” I am very public and I say everything public. So, nobody should pass words to anyone saying, “Mother said so.” And whatever is in Sahaja Yoga is already quite a lot. Learn from that. You don’t start teaching new things. Because you will act as mediums, and bhoots will act through you. And you will become real mediums of real satanic forces. Last time I was quite harsh about it, I said to you that these things are to be seen in a proper perspective. What I find there is no prudence in it; there is no prudence of any kind. You fight among yourselves. Doesn’t matter if somebody says something to you. All right? Just bear it up. In Sahaja Yoga you have to learn how to bear it up. How much you can bear from others. Nothing is going to be lost. I’ll give you a very simple example, [TOMAN?] had a friend, Mani, and he got jealous of [TOMAN?], very jealous. When he started finding faults with him, he complained Me about him, against him, “This happened, that happened.” He was a very dominating man, he was a lecturer and all that and he used to think no end of himself. I told him that, “You do not fuss about things, it’s not good, you are a very fussy person, you better keep quiet. And you try to bear it up.” But he would not listen. This happened about, say, three years back. And last time I met him, I told him that, “Now you will be in for trouble if you don’t stop this nonsense of your fighting.” What does it matter? You do your best. How much have you born, what have you done? You have got the example of Christ. How much sweetness are you pouring to others? Everybody trying to show their knowledge of Sahaja Yoga. Best way is to articulate among yourselves the spirit of love. Instead of everybody becoming a great leader, is better you lead yourself and that will help you. Now same thing happened with this Man,and he would not listen to Me till the end. I mean, before Me he was like a cow, and when I came away, he was a bull. Every time he did that, and his attention was so badly spoiled, I told him, “Look after your vibrations.” [He was not bothered?], he was trying to show off, and today his letter has come – he’s got leukemia. In Sahaja Yoga one should never get any cancer, is out of question. But one gets it because of your attention. People have been cured of leukemia. Why they are getting leukemia? It happens. If your attention is not correct, you will get it. Today his letter has come that he has got leukemia. So to show temper, if you get angry, anything is against you. Try to love each other, just bear it up. And do not be agitated too much and do not demand. The humblest are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. The meek people are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. Not the ones who are very particular about something and who take decisions. Please take decision-making at zero, “I do not take any decision. I will not take any decision. Let Mother take the decision.” This is the way you can do it. Now, everywhere Sahaja Yoga is coming up, people are understanding. You have to discipline yourselves; there is no idea of discipline. You try to disciplining others and nothing about yourselves. Everything that is living is disciplined. See on a tree how the leaves spread, how they discipline themselves and how they arrange themselves. Is there any fight going on? First of all, decision-making about food should be zero. Please stop all the meetings, I think that is also another ego-trips going on. All the ego-trips, meetings, what do you achieve? This. Better not have any more meetings, better all sit down and quietly meditate within [INAUDIBLE], and work it out, [properly?]. Your vibrations should be all right, that’s the main point. And do not deceive yourselves. You have to grow! ‘There should be [prudence?] that you have to grow, nobody else has to grow. You are the losers. Who is the loser? Now, Mr. Paul went there, and I don’t know what happened, he went there, stayed with Tomal. Now, Tomal has given realization to ten thousand people. And Mr. Paul thinks no end of himself, he thinks of him he is a very great guy and he can do anything. He went and said, “Why do you have a servant in the house, you are enjoying yourself, your servant is working like this”, and he fought with them. And he came away, misbehaving. What does he think of himself? It’s a very, very bad manners. I never knew that you are to be told that when you go to somebody’s house – the guest, if you are a guest – somebody’s house, you are not to behave like this. And he quarreled and fought and came away. Now, what are we to say? They have written to say that he quarreled very much. He is so much elder to you. Apart from that, in Sahaja Yoga he is senior to you. That is the thing: no sense of respect. I think you have to take up things much more seriously. I have seen also, people laugh at others – all of you, suddenly start laughing, suddenly. Must develop your dignity. You must develop your dignity. Even when you talk to Me I have seen, “hehehe,” like that you laugh and then say something. That’s not the way to talk to Me, it’s also wrong. If your dignity is not all right you are not going to get deeper into it. Now, better stop all meetings and all these things. For what? For arranging food? Is it a hotel here? Just arranging somebody’s food is whatever you get, just eat and don’t say anything about the food. Some do not want to cook, some want to cook. What is this? Everybody should be forward there, “Yes, I will cook, I’ll do, I’ll learn.” Nobody has this desire, “I will do. I will do.” Labour saving, money saving, all kinds of devices. It is not good for you. It’s not proper for you. You just see your own selfishness. You have to grow in Sahaja Yoga; you have to become great in Sahaja Yoga. You are not to waste yourself. And when I say something, you think I’m saying about somebody else. You just put it to yourself, the same question and ask yourself, “Where am I?” That’s the way you are going to improve, and you don’t know how much work I want you to do when I go away from here. But I am sure, I cannot send you anywhere – you create problems. Mr. Paul went there and he’s … and everybody is shocked at him. That he doesn’t even have proper manners. This quarrelsomeness is one thing should be avoided. Anybody who is quarrelsome is not a Sahaja Yogi. You are not to quarrel for anything; even if somebody beats you, even if somebody slaps you on one side, you turn the other. That is Sahaja Yoga. Don’t forget your teachings. If somebody slaps you on right side, you turn your left side to that person. And the one who is a trouble-maker should be branded as that. Who fusses, who troubles, who makes, “This should be done, that should be done,” he should be treated like that. You must also try to give Me some joy and happiness. Or always must you give Me headaches? I would request you now to give Me lesss headaches, otherwise I will never come to London. What I hear, somebody fighting with someone, something happening with someone, I don’t like it. Now, another thing I have to tell you is this that I was thinking that if you people feel all right, your vibrations are all right, if you are settled down, if you really become gurus, – guru means dignity, humility, meekness, understanding, loveable nature – all these things must be developed in you, you cannot suddenly become like that. In that case you should decide to go to various places in England and also outside. I have arranged for that. For example now TM-people, they can act as mediums, even now. You can see that, it does happen, you have to be very careful about it. You will become mediums of satanic forces. And you have to be very, very careful, extremely careful about it. I have talked to people … Now you have to save all the TM-people, I have already arranged that. There are two places in Paris who want you to go down there and talk to them. I have also asked people in Nice – they are very anxious. There are people in Madrid who want to arrange a program where you can talk about it. Now look at how negativity, this thing, works out. Bart went to Paris and he told one Ceylonese gentleman is against [Me?it]. He said that, “He’s not giving me my money, he’s not paid for me, he told me lies that I’ll give you so much money, he did not give me any money and this and that.” When I was talking about it, he came out with a thing, “Is that the same Peter Pears who was a cook?” I said, “Cook? He’s not a cook.” He said, “Yes, Bart told me about him.” I said, “He’s not a cook, he was the head of the thing and all that.” He said, “No, but Bart told me that money was not given and …” “How do you know Bart?” He said, “He’s my old friend,” this and that … Now, I could not say much against him, but I said, “Why did Bart tell you like this? He never even met Me.” He said, “He’s a very shy person, he did not want to meet, but he was telling me that sahaja yogis are horrible people, Mother believes them, She’s too simple. And they are not worth believing. They are all very horrid, and they are extremely dominating and all such thingsBart has told.” I said, “Bart should come and see Me. If he had told Me I would have corrected these things. And, all right,” I said, “he went into bankruptcy, he went into trouble and that’s how he did not get his money, but he should have told Me.” Why didn’t he tell Me about it? That, “I am going away”, he never told Me. He went away. Now he has no business to talk against Sahaja yogis. And I received another letter from these, one of the hippies who had come to our program. Who says that, “Mother You are- Sahaja Yogi in- You are all right but Your Sahaja Yogis, we cannot bear them. They are very dominating, they think of no ends of themselves. When they talk to us, they talk in such a way, “’Do this, do that.’” All such a letter he has written. And he says that, “We would all have liked to come in but we don’t like this kind of people trying to dominate us, and they are very intellectualizing and…” – all sorts of things. They have written about it. [Cut in the audio] Now, this is what it is. So the secret of Sahaja Yoga failing in England is Sahaja Yogis, not Mataji Nirmala Devi. You must know that you represent Me. Try to imbibe some of My qualities. Do I ever complain about food? Some of My qualities. You must show patience. Now, the best way would be to pray. Prayer is a very great thing for Sahaja Yogis. Pray with your heart.First of all, you must ask for strength from Mother. “Give me strength so that I be genuine, I won’t deceive myself.” You are deceiving yourselves, morning till evening. “Give me strength that I face myself and say it with my heart that I try to improve myself.” Because these are defects which are not your own, they are outside. If they fall off, you’ll feel all right, you’ll be perfect.Now, then you should ask for forgiveness, pray for forgiveness. There should be prayer, said that, “Forgive me because I have been ignorant, I did not know what to do, I have done mistakes –so You please forgive me.” That is the first thing one has to ask, is the forgiveness. Then, second thing you ask for is, “Give me a sweet tongue. A method by which I become communicative with others, others respect me, they like me, they like my presence. Give me strength. Give me love, give me that beauty of culture, beauty of understanding that everybody loves me, wants me.” Ask for them.In the prayer, you ask that, “Oh Lord, give me the sense of security of my Spirit, so that I do not feel insecure, by which I trouble others, or get angry. Give me sense of my own dignity, so that I do not feel that I am belittled or somebody has belittled me.” If you are at a higher position nobody can belittle you. It’s only you belittled by your foolishness and doubtfulness. Ask for strength that, “Give me my witness-state, give me satisfaction.” Ask from Me satisfaction. “Let me feel my satisfaction from what I have. Whatever I have, whatever I eat, everything, take out my attention away from all these things.” You know that your attention is in the stomach, and those who are very much interested in food will get liver, in any case, whatever you may try.“In anything like this, wherever my attention is going, please give me strength to pull it back. Chittanirodh. Teach me how to avoid things that tempt me, that take away my attention.Take away my thoughts. Give me witness-state by which I see the whole drama. Let me never despise others and criticize others. Let me see my mistakes, not others. Let me see why people are not happy with me. Give me strength to have a very sweet tongue and a sweet nature so that others like my company, they enjoy my company. Let me be like a flower and not like a thorn.”You have to pray. All these prayers are going to help you. Then ask for the greatest prayer which reduces wrath that, “Please keep me away from ego that gives me ideas that I’m superior to others, I’m better than others, or in any way it takes away my meekness and my humility. Give me natural humility by which I can penetrate into the hearts of people.”Just you have to bend your head and you go up to your heart. You have to bend your head. Just to bend your head and there is your heart where resides the Spirit. Be with it. If you are any way hurting your ego, or you are hurting somebody’s ego – it’s just the same. You’ll behave in the same manner, in the same egoistical manner. So try to understand that these things have to go away.The best is to pray and ask for help. Prayer is a very big thing, but with your heart pray that, “God, give us strength and that growth that we can please our Mother sometimes. We want to please our Mother, we want to see Her happy.” The only thing that really will really give Me happiness is that the way I love you, you love each other. In the meetings you must discuss how to raise the Kundalini, what is the problem, what chakras are catching, then it’s all right. But not these meetings, “How much money to be spent, how to go, how to collect,” and all this nonsense. Do not waste your energies on that. But that doesn’t mean that some people should not take at all any interest in cooking, should not do this …. Everybody should try to do as much as possible. People are so lethargic. You see their brain starts working. If you start working with your hands, you will be surprised your thoughts will stop. Use your hands. Your thoughts will be much less. Try to do some things with your hands. Try to do, whatever is possible, whatever you want to do. Try to do it for your own training, not because somebody else is not doing or somebody else is doing it. You just do it because of your training, try to do your level best, you’ll enjoy, you just sing songs and do it yourself, you don’t worry. If I started worrying that nobody does anything for Sahaja Yoga, why should I do? What will happen? I, may give every excuse to get out of it. Everybody must do some handwork. It’s compulsory. Something you must do. Get up suddenly. Let’s see who gets up first? Gets the plates serves the people, looks after others, gives the food to others. Try to go out of yourself. Selfishness has to be controlled. Self-centeredness has to be finished. Self-indulgencies are to be taken away. How do you do it? Pray, get the strength and act. Otherwise you will end up with prayer only. You get the strength and do it. Try to give away things. This you should decide because Navaratri is coming now. It’s a very big day and sahaja yogis have to be prepared for that day. It’s a very big privilege for you people that Navaratri is coming and there is going to be a Puja of Navaratri. But one thing is compulsory that you all should improve yourself and try to be there where a son of the Mother is sitting. Be mild. Be sweet. Create an atmosphere of congeniality. There should be congenial feeling, loving care for each other. If you are fighting with someone you should say that, “Oh Lord, how could I have an enemy? Why did I fight? Please give me strength so that I should have no enemy, so that I do not see any enemy in anyone. So give me power that I forgive them, so that You can forgive me.” If you can just say these two things, you can get rid of your thoughts. Last of all you have to pray that, “Mother, we should recognize our Mother. That She has come within us. We are very fortunate and we know who She is. Please give us strength so that we recognize Her and imbibe that recognition in our life. It is not only recognition, but imbibe.” I think in certain things Gregoire is very good. He was saying, “In the church when we go, we never talk loudly, we just talk in hush. How could we talk loudly in the presence of Mother, when She is in the house, how can we, it’s a temple? How can we talk loudly when She is around?” I was really surprised how Gregoire could see that point. [He said,?] “She’s a living temple, and how could we do that”? Now, before going I want to tell you also [INAUDIBLE] you have to prepare now for the Puja. The first thing that is to be done: prepare yourself. I would like to see you in good vibrations and good conditions. For you, you get some sugar, you need some sugar for yourself. Markus, take lot of sugar, take, say, one kilo every day, minimum. Have you got here some sugar with you? Bring it; I’ll vibrate it for you. Now, about this work also I have told you that you put up this wall as it is in any dilapidated way you want to put it up, but put it up. Because later on they will not have any objection that the wall was not so high. Just do it because I’ve told you, it will help you So, just put it up, up to eight feet and then the rest of it you try to clear it out. I would like Alan to make all these things before I come back. It’s 17th, I’ll be back, there is lot of time. So find out what things are needed. You do it the way you want to, you have to do it. Before I go I would like to have the size of that one. It has to be [prepared?INAUDIBLEto the?] sahaja yogis to make one. And also I would like to know, what we have to do about it, how we have to organize it and how you are going to get the money and how we are going to work it out. So all this has to be done in a way that is very congenial and friendly. And one should not ask for, say, thirty p and forty p, a thing, but on the whole money should be used properly. Even a single pai out of this money should not be wasted, nor should be misused, nor should be [INDIST.]. That is very important. Because, if that is done it will have an effect on all of you, specially the ones who do it. Now, you have a case of leukemia here,very clear.. So I do not want you people to have any suffering because, actually, Sahaja Yoga helps you. But if you leave Sahaja Yoga then you fall into the trap of the satans. The satans are around you. Sahaja Yogi: [INAUDIBLE] It’s working out. My attention is working it out, but it throws you out also, you go out of circulation, so be careful. There is no use just worrying and being anxious. You see this is a very typical european-style thinking. Now you are very anxious, you are very worried, you know, you are pessimistic, this, that. Do all that, and achieve what? Nothing. Now I must tell you about French, I have understood them very well. Now, what they are doing it’s very interesting. I mean, that doesn’t mean that English are all absolutely all right, they are also very much the same style. So [INDIST.] but the French, what the French have done is to decide that the existence is futile. That they have got some sort of a … they had there some philosopher who told them that existence is futile. So they said, “Oh, then what’s the use, this life is futile, you see, then why worry about anything and why …” So they are very anxious always, very unhappy people. They said that, if a person says that he is [very?] happy, then they think he is naïve. He doesn’t know that he is in for hell and his life is futile, he has no character. How can he say that a person is happy? Because by saying “he is happy” that means he is naïve, he doesn’t understand the life’s problems and he’s trying to avoid and he is a foolish man. So they had to have a person who has got all his cheeks both inside, who is drawn out. He has to be somebody who looks like nothing on earth. [ASIDE: It’s not such a good sugar[cane?] for you, it should be white. Mix it up with that. This is much hotter, and fish you should never eat. That’s it]. You can add white to it and eat it.] Now, so they are very unhappy people and they are all the time, “Hahhhch, hahhch. hih.” I said, what’s this? They said, “This is character.” If you have character you have to be unhappy person. Otherwise, if you are happy, then you are naïve, you don’t understand that the whole world is going to fall off, that Kalki is coming. You should all sit with them, face like that. It’s quite funny, isn’t it? I said, “It’s all right,” but when they do this, why do they indulge into all these nonsensical things? Like every street has got at least ten prostitutes, when you walk along. [About thirty places?] you find ten prostitutes standing. They don’t mind prostitution, after all life is futile. [So what is to be done?]? They are very unhappy people. They all will be very unhappy, anxious; they are extremely anxious, unhappy. They are the most miserable people. I said, that’s how Victor Hugo wrote “Les Miserables”. All of them are just here, you see, and that’s how they are the most difficult. People don’t understand French. When they talk, their sarcasm is horrid, their laughter is horrid, their jokes are horrid. And whatever they do, they just bite you. The reason is, the life is futile. So what does it matter if you bite someone or you cut somebody’s throat. Anything is all right, if it has a character. Now the whole thing has reached to such a futility that bankrobber – I saw here … I told you the story about the bankrobber – has become the big hero now there. There are stories written after him, there are poems written, now there are some pop-singers who are singing his praise. I’ve no place in a society [like that?]. So this is French, and English also think that French are very great, we should be like that, very miserable people, absolutely looking like nothing on earth. So this is the French tradition and French style, but I put them right. I made them smile, laugh aloud and enjoy themselves. If I could trigger them, why not the lethargic friends here? I said, it’s very nice. I say Europe is the liver. Europe is liver of the Universe, where they drink the most. India is the Kundalini, where there is no seeking. England is the heart, which is lethargic. God save this Universe. And lethargic to such an extent that they do not even have energy to organize their food and organize their things. In small, small things they go on fighting. I wished they were a little lethargic about fighting. But the French have started laughing, they have given up their anxieties, they are loving each other. Only our lethargy is horrible. The whole fight is about how to save money and how to save labor. Nobody is going to die if they work hard. So please work hard. I’ve been telling you that do something. Something can be done, if you don’t get anything you go and hit your head, but do something. Do not sit down, like that, it’s no good. Just start doing something with your hands because your brains are working, hands are not working, there is no balance. And the brains that work, you know what they are working it out? So what’s the use of allowing this brain to work. Make your hands work. For example now, here is Malcolm. His brain is now growing this way. He should not use his brain, but his hands. Like the servant in My house is our feet, say, I’m the hands, My husband is the head. We all work in that unison, together. When we are like that there is no problem that servants are needed, wife is needed and the head of the family is needed. Because we are doing our own work, so there is no need to bother about it. But supposing everybody is only using the brain, and the rest of it is useless, then what about the rest? Who is going to do it? Because you are not integrated with the whole. Because you are not integrated with your society, not with your family. You are only integrated with yourself – if you are, I’m also not very sure about that. But you can only work out your hands and your head. So best thing is that all of us should do some work. Some work must be done. Every one of you should [serve?] to stop the brain. You see, when the brain starts thinking, start cleaning, painting something, get something. Why not painting? Get something, do something, try to do some work. As soon as your brain starts working, start doing some work. All right? That’s the way you can stop thinking of your brain, which is very important. Because what this brain is going to take you to I don’t know. H.G. Wells has written certain things about it, but he also did not know that brain-development can take us to such madness that you can’t imagine. Now, the only example is that we came back and we met two, three people who came and went away. They were about My age, some were sixty, some were sixty-five. They all came in the bus [and start?] talking, [‘Nnnnhnnnhnnnnperhaps this can be deleted].’, very loudly. So I asked, “What is he talking?” “He is talking about last war.” “To whom?” “He is talking to himself.” Very loudly. And what [nonsense?] he is talking. And another fellow came in, he started talking about something else, “… and Marlene must know,” and all that, he started talking. Of My age, imagine. I said, “He’s talking so loudly, nobody says anything [INDIST. to him. That is unexpected here??].” The third person came in, he says, “See, this is all expected, you see, we help everyone, we don’t mind, we are very tolerant.” I said, “ You are tolerant, but why don’t you see you’ll become the same tomorrow.” Because your brain is working. Now the tape is going back. And when they get into the bus and they are shouting at the top of their voices, and everybody thinks that there’s somebody [worthful?] and it’s all right, it doesn’t matter, take it. And this is what is going to happen to us also. If you start thinking, now, what about your machine of thinking? You are already … frenchy character is there. [What INDIST.] Still on, thinking?. Doesn’t stop. Forgive everyone, forgive your mother, forgive your father, forgive all of them. First forgive, say, “I forgive.” Then say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Today we were very lucky, I must say. You should see the saris, so wonderful. She gave us forty two pounds less, can you imagine, for the sari? Such a beautiful one you can’t imagine. I wanted because this Puja has been done here, and it will be seen all over, and I wanted to get a good sari. In any case your name should not be bad. And she reduced forty two pounds for the sari, can you imagine how things work out. I’ll send it to Italy, for someone. Tomorrow you can see it. How are you now, better? He is all right. He is a very happy person, that’s the main thing. You have to be a cheerful and a happy person. If you are an irritable person, you can never feel all right. How many are cheerful? Count your blessings. The best way to be happy is to count your blessings. Count them. How much God has given you. First of all your realization. Count your blessings. Then you will be cheerful. Thank God. Thanksgiving is not there. If you start thanking Me, it will be a good idea. Just start thinking what has happened to you. Just thank Me. It will make you very cheerful and happy. Just start thinking about what you were and what you are, just start. Thanksgiving is not there. Know it for sure. That’s the first thing one should do is to thank. All your gloom will vanish. I feel very happy. So, you will have to keep some days when you will have to travel to these places. Paris, you will have to go to Paris and you will have to go to Lille and maybe Madrid because these people are spread out very well. People are selling their furniture and everything. They are selling in Lille. All their furniture they are selling, they are [horrible people?.] There’s a very sweet child, just like [INDIST. – bumbles/crumble??] with these two persons. She’s just a saint, she’s so much [opposing?] and all that. Now she’s all right. Estella is her name. Justine is the name of the lady. I don’t remember the name of the man but he’s a very great musician. He met a very big pianist who plays in the churches. He got his realization too, in Munich.He found a very nice person in Munich, his name is Philip. And his mother and his whole family came, father and sister, and everybody got realization. He’s willing to call people at his residence. We have to send books and things there. You had sent some books to My house, I did not know. I didn’t take them with Me. But now I think we’ll have to take some books to Germany, perhaps.. And we’ll need some more papers and photographs.	null	null	null	Advice to yogis. Chelsham ashram, London (UK), 26 September 1980. Now, first I want to tell you what happened where I went, and how we got lots of Sahaja Yogis all over. That’s very good news.The first thing was, I went to Lille, where you know Cathy is doing the organizing. She is a very sensible person, and her father is somehow [a] little bit opposed to Sahaja Yoga, but mother is not. And she called Me to her place for lunch.Shri Mataji : [Aside] What are you doing now?Please keep it. All right. And when I went to her house the mother had- was suffering from arthritis and things like that, and I cured her, and she got Realization. That convinced her mother very much, and she was very happy.Then in the evening, she had booked a hall in Lille and to our amazement, we had lots ofpeople. We were surprised that how about sixty people or sixty-five people were there in thehall. And among them were some very, very nice people.One of the friends of Cathy, her mother came and they got their Realization so fast in Lille that I was surprised.And there, we met husband and wife who had been with TM. Very sensible people, both of them were really very sensible. When I explained to them what was Sahaja Yoga, they didn’t get their Realization but they understood that there was something great about it.So they said, “All right, we are coming with you to Paris.” And one lady had come from Belgium. I took her also, and we went to Paris. They have their father’s house there, they stayed in their father’s house. And these two were wonderful people and they followed us even to Orleans.But in Paris, the advertisement did not appear for two days. But these people had put some posters. We got about seventy-five people on the first day. And in that, we got a priest also there. Out of that, at least eighty per cent got Realization. They again came second day and came third day. And the third day, it was in the paper, so there was a bigger crowd, much bigger crowd, and it was a much bigger hall. And about eighty persons have got Realization there who are really very good. And they have decided to start a good center in Paris. Even in Lille now the center has started because these husband and wife are going to start a center there. Then I went to -you must have heard about – Chartres. It’s a very beautiful church there. Went to see that church; it was very beautiful. Very good vibrations from that place. And then we went to Orleans, where we were just informed, a hall to be booked for us, and we had then one advertisement. Only in one advertisement, there were about seventy people. And practically everybody got Realization. Except for some TM’s they are good, and as usual, they are very funny – but they went away. And we had another gentleman who came in his orange robe, who has – he says he has taken a sanyasa and he has some technique and this and that, but Marie said there is no technique for Sahaja Yoga, there is no technique of God. And then he and one or two with him, they went away. But so many people got Realization, and they offered their houses for their centers and all that. But the hall- the man who was organizing the hall, he said that he just charges six pounds per meeting. So why should we have another hall? And so we decided to have the hall there.It was done by a girl who came from Australia, her name was Annie. She had met Warren there because she knew him before, but Warren didn’t tell him [her] about what had happened. When she came back she wrote to him that, “I saw such a tremendous change in you, I didn’t understand how you got this change. You were was so settled down and so detached from things. And you’re very different, otherwise so particular about every detail and things like that. All that had vanished, and you had become such a relaxed man, and your attention was somebody else. How did it happen? Then he wrote to her, “It is Sahaja Yoga, you go and see Gregoire.” And Gregoire gave her Realization.Then she went and saw Marie, and Marie confirmed it, and the whole thing became all right. Now, Marie is a person who has really done such a lot, such a lot and all out she went to do everything that is possible. Then from there, I came back to Paris and then I flew to Madrid.We had two programs in Madrid. Actually, Gavin had sent her one advertisement, which appeared and a second never appeared, only the one appeared there. And when I reached there I was wondering how many people would be there. There were about a hundred and twenty people in the hall, and we didn’t know what to do. It was so suffocatingly crowded we did not know what to do. But we found out fifty per cent of them were frivolous people. They were saying, “We don’t believe in God,” and they were talking, “We don’t believe in Christ. This Catholicism we are against,” and all sorts of things, you see. And the fifty per cent got Realization. And they were very, I mean they were reactionary, they said, “How could God be there if there is so much poverty?” This, that nonsense they were talking. But that day, the girl who came from Switzerland, her name was Miryam, she’s also a Catholic and she had problems because of that. And another was Hélène. She’s another very intelligent girl, something like Gregoire’s elder sister, extremely brilliant girl, and she could see the point very well and she was so clever. She said, “Only I got it once, and the Kundalini is now doing everything for me, She goes up, She teaches me, and whenever I do wrong, She comes down and She teaches me, She gives me faith, She’s so kind to me.” She’s so sensitive, I was so amazed at her! Another person was Miryam who was little bit suffering with this Catholicism sort of thing. And then I brought her round, I brought this one lady round but she could not translate. And then, people started helping her to translate. Then one of the gentlemen was sitting there, I said, “All right, why don’t you come and translate?” He came forward and he was like a professor, in the way he started translating Me as if he knew Sahaja Yoga very well! With this beautiful translation, he got his Realization, he went away.Next day, the hall was to be- we had to shift to another hall, a very big hall, a very beautiful hall, and all that. Then when we went to the bigger hall, you’ll be amazed, there must be at least ninety people or maybe a hundred people in that hall – second day and all very sensible and nice people. They didn’t have all these things and so attentive, so attentive to My lecture. But the first thing that had happened is when I went to Paris was something very remarkable if you like it was repeated again here. This priest came to see Me and he said that he couldn’t get his Realization. So he wrote a letter to Me, that “Mother, I have a secret guru, in Rameshwaram, his name is such and such. When I go there, I stay with him and I cannot get Realization, I don’t know why.” So I told him, “There should be no problem because your Guru is a Realized soul.” I could see vibration-wise.Then he told Me, “Yes, he told me that She’s the Mother, She’s going to emancipate the whole world, and you just can get your emancipation through Her.” And this was really energy-giving. I was so happy to hear that people are now recognizing, these gurus are recognizing and they are understanding My value. And I’ve never seen this fellow before. The same thing was repeated in the second program of Madrid, where this gentleman appeared on the scene. I’ve forgotten his name, but Maria has all the names and all that. And he just came at the beginning of the hall, he sat there. He took charge of the whole place and he said, “Mother, I’m going to translate You.” And he used Spanish and English very well. He stood up and he translated Me, he looked after everyone, extremely wise and sensible fellow. And I asked him, “How are you here?”He said, “I’ve come to do this work, Mother, especially.” And he told Me, “My guru’s name is Swami Ram and he lives on the Himalayas, he doesn’t go out anywhere.”I said, “He’s a Realized soul, I know, he’s a Realized soul.”Then he didn’t talk to Me but he talked to these girls. He said that: “My guru has told me that She’s Her Holiness. She will come to Madrid, you go and help Her. That’s why I waited for Mother to come.” So, such a help is coming to us now. Now I want to know what our London Sahaja Yogis especially are going to do about themselves. That is a very important matter because I find the progress is very slow. Extremely slow, vibration-wise is not much progress. Even Regis doesn’t have good vibrations. I saw him, I was surprised, he’s lost his vibrations quite a lot. And same with Peter I would say, he was quite bad. And this is something I can’t understand, what’s happening to them. So it may be that you people feel guilty or do some sort of a nonsense of your mind, and you go on thinking or I don’t know what you are doing. You have to improve in your vibrations. I think Harry is the only person who has improved, very much.So what are you doing? Sitting and sulking and thinking and putting your mind into something nonsensical? Paying more attention to something like food? Is it? That: “What food should we eat, what should we have for food?” You must know if you are staying in an ashram, ashram is a training. What is the training you have to have? Let us see now. Is not to how to manage food, is to how to manage yourself. The main thing is you have to see where is your attention. What are you doing about your attention? Are you putting it to food and all these nonsensical things and money and finances and this and that? If that is so, it is not going to help you. “We should have this for food, we should have that for food.” Now I have found out that Western people waste so much of their energy in decision-making. And what are the decisions you have made, so far? Like, what food should we have? What does it become ultimately, all the food that you decide to eat? Same about our lives. When we think and try to plan our lives, what do we make out of it? What is the ultimate result of our life? We should think. Because of this ego-orientation this decision-making is there. I’m amazed how this decision-making about food has started. Actually ashram is the place where you should try to control your attention and deny things. That’s why people used to fast. If that extreme is not there, this extreme is also not good, is to think, what are you going to eat today, what are you going to eat tomorrow, what are we going to have for food. I think, best thing is you better fast every evening, that’s the better idea. It’s the best idea is that you all fast, so that there is no attention about food. And what a thing to waste about? And there is a quarrel on, “And this much money saved, that has happened, that ….” You forget about money and forget about all these. You have to improve your vibrations. In the ashram you have not come here to find a convenience. I have told you before and today again. We have to improve our vibrations, our relations with each other. Now another thing I want to tell you, nobody should talk to each other saying, “Mother says so.” I think you stop all your meetings, that’s a better idea. “Mother said so, Mother said so.” I never say to anyone. If I have to say, I say it directly. Nobody should use this phrase. I’m requesting all of you. “Mother said so.” I am very public and I say everything public. So, nobody should pass words to anyone saying, “Mother said so.” And whatever is in Sahaja Yoga is already quite a lot. Learn from that. You don’t start teaching new things. Because you will act as mediums, and bhoots will act through you. And you will become real mediums of real satanic forces. Last time I was quite harsh about it, I said to you that these things are to be seen in a proper perspective. What I find there is no prudence in it; there is no prudence of any kind. You fight among yourselves. Doesn’t matter if somebody says something to you. All right? Just bear it up. In Sahaja Yoga you have to learn how to bear it up. How much you can bear from others. Nothing is going to be lost. I’ll give you a very simple example, [TOMAN?] had a friend, Mani, and he got jealous of [TOMAN?], very jealous. When he started finding faults with him, he complained Me about him, against him, “This happened, that happened.” He was a very dominating man, he was a lecturer and all that and he used to think no end of himself. I told him that, “You do not fuss about things, it’s not good, you are a very fussy person, you better keep quiet. And you try to bear it up.” But he would not listen. This happened about, say, three years back. And last time I met him, I told him that, “Now you will be in for trouble if you don’t stop this nonsense of your fighting.” What does it matter? You do your best. How much have you born, what have you done? You have got the example of Christ. How much sweetness are you pouring to others? Everybody trying to show their knowledge of Sahaja Yoga. Best way is to articulate among yourselves the spirit of love. Instead of everybody becoming a great leader, is better you lead yourself and that will help you. Now same thing happened with this Man,and he would not listen to Me till the end. I mean, before Me he was like a cow, and when I came away, he was a bull. Every time he did that, and his attention was so badly spoiled, I told him, “Look after your vibrations.” [He was not bothered?], he was trying to show off, and today his letter has come – he’s got leukemia. In Sahaja Yoga one should never get any cancer, is out of question. But one gets it because of your attention. People have been cured of leukemia. Why they are getting leukemia? It happens. If your attention is not correct, you will get it. Today his letter has come that he has got leukemia. So to show temper, if you get angry, anything is against you. Try to love each other, just bear it up. And do not be agitated too much and do not demand. The humblest are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. The meek people are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. Not the ones who are very particular about something and who take decisions. Please take decision-making at zero, “I do not take any decision. I will not take any decision. Let Mother take the decision.” This is the way you can do it. Now, everywhere Sahaja Yoga is coming up, people are understanding. You have to discipline yourselves; there is no idea of discipline. You try to disciplining others and nothing about yourselves. Everything that is living is disciplined. See on a tree how the leaves spread, how they discipline themselves and how they arrange themselves. Is there any fight going on? First of all, decision-making about food should be zero. Please stop all the meetings, I think that is also another ego-trips going on. All the ego-trips, meetings, what do you achieve? This. Better not have any more meetings, better all sit down and quietly meditate within [INAUDIBLE], and work it out, [properly?]. Your vibrations should be all right, that’s the main point. And do not deceive yourselves. You have to grow! ‘There should be [prudence?] that you have to grow, nobody else has to grow. You are the losers. Who is the loser? Now, Mr. Paul went there, and I don’t know what happened, he went there, stayed with Tomal. Now, Tomal has given realization to ten thousand people. And Mr. Paul thinks no end of himself, he thinks of him he is a very great guy and he can do anything. He went and said, “Why do you have a servant in the house, you are enjoying yourself, your servant is working like this”, and he fought with them. And he came away, misbehaving. What does he think of himself? It’s a very, very bad manners. I never knew that you are to be told that when you go to somebody’s house – the guest, if you are a guest – somebody’s house, you are not to behave like this. And he quarreled and fought and came away. Now, what are we to say? They have written to say that he quarreled very much. He is so much elder to you. Apart from that, in Sahaja Yoga he is senior to you. That is the thing: no sense of respect. I think you have to take up things much more seriously. I have seen also, people laugh at others – all of you, suddenly start laughing, suddenly. Must develop your dignity. You must develop your dignity. Even when you talk to Me I have seen, “hehehe,” like that you laugh and then say something. That’s not the way to talk to Me, it’s also wrong. If your dignity is not all right you are not going to get deeper into it. Now, better stop all meetings and all these things. For what? For arranging food? Is it a hotel here? Just arranging somebody’s food is whatever you get, just eat and don’t say anything about the food. Some do not want to cook, some want to cook. What is this? Everybody should be forward there, “Yes, I will cook, I’ll do, I’ll learn.” Nobody has this desire, “I will do. I will do.” Labour saving, money saving, all kinds of devices. It is not good for you. It’s not proper for you. You just see your own selfishness. You have to grow in Sahaja Yoga; you have to become great in Sahaja Yoga. You are not to waste yourself. And when I say something, you think I’m saying about somebody else. You just put it to yourself, the same question and ask yourself, “Where am I?” That’s the way you are going to improve, and you don’t know how much work I want you to do when I go away from here. But I am sure, I cannot send you anywhere – you create problems. Mr. Paul went there and he’s … and everybody is shocked at him. That he doesn’t even have proper manners. This quarrelsomeness is one thing should be avoided. Anybody who is quarrelsome is not a Sahaja Yogi. You are not to quarrel for anything; even if somebody beats you, even if somebody slaps you on one side, you turn the other. That is Sahaja Yoga. Don’t forget your teachings. If somebody slaps you on right side, you turn your left side to that person. And the one who is a trouble-maker should be branded as that. Who fusses, who troubles, who makes, “This should be done, that should be done,” he should be treated like that. You must also try to give Me some joy and happiness. Or always must you give Me headaches? I would request you now to give Me lesss headaches, otherwise I will never come to London. What I hear, somebody fighting with someone, something happening with someone, I don’t like it. Now, another thing I have to tell you is this that I was thinking that if you people feel all right, your vibrations are all right, if you are settled down, if you really become gurus, – guru means dignity, humility, meekness, understanding, loveable nature – all these things must be developed in you, you cannot suddenly become like that. In that case you should decide to go to various places in England and also outside. I have arranged for that. For example now TM-people, they can act as mediums, even now. You can see that, it does happen, you have to be very careful about it. You will become mediums of satanic forces. And you have to be very, very careful, extremely careful about it. I have talked to people … Now you have to save all the TM-people, I have already arranged that. There are two places in Paris who want you to go down there and talk to them. I have also asked people in Nice – they are very anxious. There are people in Madrid who want to arrange a program where you can talk about it. Now look at how negativity, this thing, works out. Bart went to Paris and he told one Ceylonese gentleman is against [Me?it]. He said that, “He’s not giving me my money, he’s not paid for me, he told me lies that I’ll give you so much money, he did not give me any money and this and that.” When I was talking about it, he came out with a thing, “Is that the same Peter Pears who was a cook?” I said, “Cook? He’s not a cook.” He said, “Yes, Bart told me about him.” I said, “He’s not a cook, he was the head of the thing and all that.” He said, “No, but Bart told me that money was not given and …” “How do you know Bart?” He said, “He’s my old friend,” this and that … Now, I could not say much against him, but I said, “Why did Bart tell you like this? He never even met Me.” He said, “He’s a very shy person, he did not want to meet, but he was telling me that sahaja yogis are horrible people, Mother believes them, She’s too simple. And they are not worth believing. They are all very horrid, and they are extremely dominating and all such thingsBart has told.” I said, “Bart should come and see Me. If he had told Me I would have corrected these things. And, all right,” I said, “he went into bankruptcy, he went into trouble and that’s how he did not get his money, but he should have told Me.” Why didn’t he tell Me about it? That, “I am going away”, he never told Me. He went away. Now he has no business to talk against Sahaja yogis. And I received another letter from these, one of the hippies who had come to our program. Who says that, “Mother You are- Sahaja Yogi in- You are all right but Your Sahaja Yogis, we cannot bear them. They are very dominating, they think of no ends of themselves. When they talk to us, they talk in such a way, “’Do this, do that.’” All such a letter he has written. And he says that, “We would all have liked to come in but we don’t like this kind of people trying to dominate us, and they are very intellectualizing and…” – all sorts of things. They have written about it. [Cut in the audio] Now, this is what it is. So the secret of Sahaja Yoga failing in England is Sahaja Yogis, not Mataji Nirmala Devi. You must know that you represent Me. Try to imbibe some of My qualities. Do I ever complain about food? Some of My qualities. You must show patience. Now, the best way would be to pray. Prayer is a very great thing for Sahaja Yogis. Pray with your heart.First of all, you must ask for strength from Mother. “Give me strength so that I be genuine, I won’t deceive myself.” You are deceiving yourselves, morning till evening. “Give me strength that I face myself and say it with my heart that I try to improve myself.” Because these are defects which are not your own, they are outside. If they fall off, you’ll feel all right, you’ll be perfect.Now, then you should ask for forgiveness, pray for forgiveness. There should be prayer, said that, “Forgive me because I have been ignorant, I did not know what to do, I have done mistakes –so You please forgive me.” That is the first thing one has to ask, is the forgiveness. Then, second thing you ask for is, “Give me a sweet tongue. A method by which I become communicative with others, others respect me, they like me, they like my presence. Give me strength. Give me love, give me that beauty of culture, beauty of understanding that everybody loves me, wants me.” Ask for them.In the prayer, you ask that, “Oh Lord, give me the sense of security of my Spirit, so that I do not feel insecure, by which I trouble others, or get angry. Give me sense of my own dignity, so that I do not feel that I am belittled or somebody has belittled me.” If you are at a higher position nobody can belittle you. It’s only you belittled by your foolishness and doubtfulness. Ask for strength that, “Give me my witness-state, give me satisfaction.” Ask from Me satisfaction. “Let me feel my satisfaction from what I have. Whatever I have, whatever I eat, everything, take out my attention away from all these things.” You know that your attention is in the stomach, and those who are very much interested in food will get liver, in any case, whatever you may try.“In anything like this, wherever my attention is going, please give me strength to pull it back. Chittanirodh. Teach me how to avoid things that tempt me, that take away my attention.Take away my thoughts. Give me witness-state by which I see the whole drama. Let me never despise others and criticize others. Let me see my mistakes, not others. Let me see why people are not happy with me. Give me strength to have a very sweet tongue and a sweet nature so that others like my company, they enjoy my company. Let me be like a flower and not like a thorn.”You have to pray. All these prayers are going to help you. Then ask for the greatest prayer which reduces wrath that, “Please keep me away from ego that gives me ideas that I’m superior to others, I’m better than others, or in any way it takes away my meekness and my humility. Give me natural humility by which I can penetrate into the hearts of people.”Just you have to bend your head and you go up to your heart. You have to bend your head. Just to bend your head and there is your heart where resides the Spirit. Be with it. If you are any way hurting your ego, or you are hurting somebody’s ego – it’s just the same. You’ll behave in the same manner, in the same egoistical manner. So try to understand that these things have to go away.The best is to pray and ask for help. Prayer is a very big thing, but with your heart pray that, “God, give us strength and that growth that we can please our Mother sometimes. We want to please our Mother, we want to see Her happy.” The only thing that really will really give Me happiness is that the way I love you, you love each other. In the meetings you must discuss how to raise the Kundalini, what is the problem, what chakras are catching, then it’s all right. But not these meetings, “How much money to be spent, how to go, how to collect,” and all this nonsense. Do not waste your energies on that. But that doesn’t mean that some people should not take at all any interest in cooking, should not do this …. Everybody should try to do as much as possible. People are so lethargic. You see their brain starts working. If you start working with your hands, you will be surprised your thoughts will stop. Use your hands. Your thoughts will be much less. Try to do some things with your hands. Try to do, whatever is possible, whatever you want to do. Try to do it for your own training, not because somebody else is not doing or somebody else is doing it. You just do it because of your training, try to do your level best, you’ll enjoy, you just sing songs and do it yourself, you don’t worry. If I started worrying that nobody does anything for Sahaja Yoga, why should I do? What will happen? I, may give every excuse to get out of it. Everybody must do some handwork. It’s compulsory. Something you must do. Get up suddenly. Let’s see who gets up first? Gets the plates serves the people, looks after others, gives the food to others. Try to go out of yourself. Selfishness has to be controlled. Self-centeredness has to be finished. Self-indulgencies are to be taken away. How do you do it? Pray, get the strength and act. Otherwise you will end up with prayer only. You get the strength and do it. Try to give away things. This you should decide because Navaratri is coming now. It’s a very big day and sahaja yogis have to be prepared for that day. It’s a very big privilege for you people that Navaratri is coming and there is going to be a Puja of Navaratri. But one thing is compulsory that you all should improve yourself and try to be there where a son of the Mother is sitting. Be mild. Be sweet. Create an atmosphere of congeniality. There should be congenial feeling, loving care for each other. If you are fighting with someone you should say that, “Oh Lord, how could I have an enemy? Why did I fight? Please give me strength so that I should have no enemy, so that I do not see any enemy in anyone. So give me power that I forgive them, so that You can forgive me.” If you can just say these two things, you can get rid of your thoughts. Last of all you have to pray that, “Mother, we should recognize our Mother. That She has come within us. We are very fortunate and we know who She is. Please give us strength so that we recognize Her and imbibe that recognition in our life. It is not only recognition, but imbibe.” I think in certain things Gregoire is very good. He was saying, “In the church when we go, we never talk loudly, we just talk in hush. How could we talk loudly in the presence of Mother, when She is in the house, how can we, it’s a temple? How can we talk loudly when She is around?” I was really surprised how Gregoire could see that point. [He said,?] “She’s a living temple, and how could we do that”? Now, before going I want to tell you also [INAUDIBLE] you have to prepare now for the Puja. The first thing that is to be done: prepare yourself. I would like to see you in good vibrations and good conditions. For you, you get some sugar, you need some sugar for yourself. Markus, take lot of sugar, take, say, one kilo every day, minimum. Have you got here some sugar with you? Bring it; I’ll vibrate it for you. Now, about this work also I have told you that you put up this wall as it is in any dilapidated way you want to put it up, but put it up. Because later on they will not have any objection that the wall was not so high. Just do it because I’ve told you, it will help you So, just put it up, up to eight feet and then the rest of it you try to clear it out. I would like Alan to make all these things before I come back. It’s 17th, I’ll be back, there is lot of time. So find out what things are needed. You do it the way you want to, you have to do it. Before I go I would like to have the size of that one. It has to be [prepared?INAUDIBLEto the?] sahaja yogis to make one. And also I would like to know, what we have to do about it, how we have to organize it and how you are going to get the money and how we are going to work it out. So all this has to be done in a way that is very congenial and friendly. And one should not ask for, say, thirty p and forty p, a thing, but on the whole money should be used properly. Even a single pai out of this money should not be wasted, nor should be misused, nor should be [INDIST.]. That is very important. Because, if that is done it will have an effect on all of you, specially the ones who do it. Now, you have a case of leukemia here,very clear.. So I do not want you people to have any suffering because, actually, Sahaja Yoga helps you. But if you leave Sahaja Yoga then you fall into the trap of the satans. The satans are around you. Sahaja Yogi: [INAUDIBLE] It’s working out. My attention is working it out, but it throws you out also, you go out of circulation, so be careful. There is no use just worrying and being anxious. You see this is a very typical european-style thinking. Now you are very anxious, you are very worried, you know, you are pessimistic, this, that. Do all that, and achieve what? Nothing. Now I must tell you about French, I have understood them very well. Now, what they are doing it’s very interesting. I mean, that doesn’t mean that English are all absolutely all right, they are also very much the same style. So [INDIST.] but the French, what the French have done is to decide that the existence is futile. That they have got some sort of a … they had there some philosopher who told them that existence is futile. So they said, “Oh, then what’s the use, this life is futile, you see, then why worry about anything and why …” So they are very anxious always, very unhappy people. They said that, if a person says that he is [very?] happy, then they think he is naïve. He doesn’t know that he is in for hell and his life is futile, he has no character. How can he say that a person is happy? Because by saying “he is happy” that means he is naïve, he doesn’t understand the life’s problems and he’s trying to avoid and he is a foolish man. So they had to have a person who has got all his cheeks both inside, who is drawn out. He has to be somebody who looks like nothing on earth. [ASIDE: It’s not such a good sugar[cane?] for you, it should be white. Mix it up with that. This is much hotter, and fish you should never eat. That’s it]. You can add white to it and eat it.] Now, so they are very unhappy people and they are all the time, “Hahhhch, hahhch. hih.” I said, what’s this? They said, “This is character.” If you have character you have to be unhappy person. Otherwise, if you are happy, then you are naïve, you don’t understand that the whole world is going to fall off, that Kalki is coming. You should all sit with them, face like that. It’s quite funny, isn’t it? I said, “It’s all right,” but when they do this, why do they indulge into all these nonsensical things? Like every street has got at least ten prostitutes, when you walk along. [About thirty places?] you find ten prostitutes standing. They don’t mind prostitution, after all life is futile. [So what is to be done?]? They are very unhappy people. They all will be very unhappy, anxious; they are extremely anxious, unhappy. They are the most miserable people. I said, that’s how Victor Hugo wrote “Les Miserables”. All of them are just here, you see, and that’s how they are the most difficult. People don’t understand French. When they talk, their sarcasm is horrid, their laughter is horrid, their jokes are horrid. And whatever they do, they just bite you. The reason is, the life is futile. So what does it matter if you bite someone or you cut somebody’s throat. Anything is all right, if it has a character. Now the whole thing has reached to such a futility that bankrobber – I saw here … I told you the story about the bankrobber – has become the big hero now there. There are stories written after him, there are poems written, now there are some pop-singers who are singing his praise. I’ve no place in a society [like that?]. So this is French, and English also think that French are very great, we should be like that, very miserable people, absolutely looking like nothing on earth. So this is the French tradition and French style, but I put them right. I made them smile, laugh aloud and enjoy themselves. If I could trigger them, why not the lethargic friends here? I said, it’s very nice. I say Europe is the liver. Europe is liver of the Universe, where they drink the most. India is the Kundalini, where there is no seeking. England is the heart, which is lethargic. God save this Universe. And lethargic to such an extent that they do not even have energy to organize their food and organize their things. In small, small things they go on fighting. I wished they were a little lethargic about fighting. But the French have started laughing, they have given up their anxieties, they are loving each other. Only our lethargy is horrible. The whole fight is about how to save money and how to save labor. Nobody is going to die if they work hard. So please work hard. I’ve been telling you that do something. Something can be done, if you don’t get anything you go and hit your head, but do something. Do not sit down, like that, it’s no good. Just start doing something with your hands because your brains are working, hands are not working, there is no balance. And the brains that work, you know what they are working it out? So what’s the use of allowing this brain to work. Make your hands work. For example now, here is Malcolm. His brain is now growing this way. He should not use his brain, but his hands. Like the servant in My house is our feet, say, I’m the hands, My husband is the head. We all work in that unison, together. When we are like that there is no problem that servants are needed, wife is needed and the head of the family is needed. Because we are doing our own work, so there is no need to bother about it. But supposing everybody is only using the brain, and the rest of it is useless, then what about the rest? Who is going to do it? Because you are not integrated with the whole. Because you are not integrated with your society, not with your family. You are only integrated with yourself – if you are, I’m also not very sure about that. But you can only work out your hands and your head. So best thing is that all of us should do some work. Some work must be done. Every one of you should [serve?] to stop the brain. You see, when the brain starts thinking, start cleaning, painting something, get something. Why not painting? Get something, do something, try to do some work. As soon as your brain starts working, start doing some work. All right? That’s the way you can stop thinking of your brain, which is very important. Because what this brain is going to take you to I don’t know. H.G. Wells has written certain things about it, but he also did not know that brain-development can take us to such madness that you can’t imagine. Now, the only example is that we came back and we met two, three people who came and went away. They were about My age, some were sixty, some were sixty-five. They all came in the bus [and start?] talking, [‘Nnnnhnnnhnnnnperhaps this can be deleted].’, very loudly. So I asked, “What is he talking?” “He is talking about last war.” “To whom?” “He is talking to himself.” Very loudly. And what [nonsense?] he is talking. And another fellow came in, he started talking about something else, “… and Marlene must know,” and all that, he started talking. Of My age, imagine. I said, “He’s talking so loudly, nobody says anything [INDIST. to him. That is unexpected here??].” The third person came in, he says, “See, this is all expected, you see, we help everyone, we don’t mind, we are very tolerant.” I said, “ You are tolerant, but why don’t you see you’ll become the same tomorrow.” Because your brain is working. Now the tape is going back. And when they get into the bus and they are shouting at the top of their voices, and everybody thinks that there’s somebody [worthful?] and it’s all right, it doesn’t matter, take it. And this is what is going to happen to us also. If you start thinking, now, what about your machine of thinking? You are already … frenchy character is there. [What INDIST.] Still on, thinking?. Doesn’t stop. Forgive everyone, forgive your mother, forgive your father, forgive all of them. First forgive, say, “I forgive.” Then say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Today we were very lucky, I must say. You should see the saris, so wonderful. She gave us forty two pounds less, can you imagine, for the sari? Such a beautiful one you can’t imagine. I wanted because this Puja has been done here, and it will be seen all over, and I wanted to get a good sari. In any case your name should not be bad. And she reduced forty two pounds for the sari, can you imagine how things work out. I’ll send it to Italy, for someone. Tomorrow you can see it. How are you now, better? He is all right. He is a very happy person, that’s the main thing. You have to be a cheerful and a happy person. If you are an irritable person, you can never feel all right. How many are cheerful? Count your blessings. The best way to be happy is to count your blessings. Count them. How much God has given you. First of all your realization. Count your blessings. Then you will be cheerful. Thank God. Thanksgiving is not there. If you start thanking Me, it will be a good idea. Just start thinking what has happened to you. Just thank Me. It will make you very cheerful and happy. Just start thinking about what you were and what you are, just start. Thanksgiving is not there. Know it for sure. That’s the first thing one should do is to thank. All your gloom will vanish. I feel very happy. So, you will have to keep some days when you will have to travel to these places. Paris, you will have to go to Paris and you will have to go to Lille and maybe Madrid because these people are spread out very well. People are selling their furniture and everything. They are selling in Lille. All their furniture they are selling, they are [horrible people?.] There’s a very sweet child, just like [INDIST. – bumbles/crumble??] with these two persons. She’s just a saint, she’s so much [opposing?] and all that. Now she’s all right. Estella is her name. Justine is the name of the lady. I don’t remember the name of the man but he’s a very great musician. He met a very big pianist who plays in the churches. He got his realization too, in Munich.He found a very nice person in Munich, his name is Philip. And his mother and his whole family came, father and sister, and everybody got realization. He’s willing to call people at his residence. We have to send books and things there. You had sent some books to My house, I did not know. I didn’t take them with Me. But now I think we’ll have to take some books to Germany, perhaps.. And we’ll need some more papers and photographs.
9/27/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=1230	Lethargy Most Anti-God	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	91	"Lethargy Most Anti-God". Chelsham Road Ashram, London (UK), 27 September 1980. …and he talked about the tour, how successful it was, I wish you could have heard it before I started this lecture of Mine today. But yesterday I was talking about two things, which we have to do in England, which one should understand, you see. Because every country has its own problems and we do absorb the problems. [Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi sounds like “Left hamari aur kar. Left hand, ha.] [In Hindi: Point your left hand towards Me, point your right hand outwards]. Now the thing is our work is spreading very fast and people are taking to it. In Europe I find the land is much more fertile, surprisingly and once people get realization they become fantastic, I mean they think it’s something that they have been expecting and they understand Sahaj Yoga much better than we understand here. Though your Kundalinis rise very high, I’ve seen that, but the progress is not that all right. Now Ray has been to India, he’ll tell you how, what sort of people we have in India and how they have progressed themselves. Now as I said the main problem of our country is lethargy and lethargy is something we have to overcome somehow and this lethargy is a, actually a satanic force. It’s not lethargy only of the matter that comes from material domination on the Spirit, but it is really satanic because it stops your progress and is to be avoided. And to get out of it one has to be really alert about it, how it crawls onto you. Krishna has put, the worst vice in the whole world is “aalasya”, means lethargy. “Aalasyso Bijayate” – everything comes out of aalasya. According to Him, first the lethargy comes in and because of lethargy we get into vices and then we go to the right side also because of lethargy. Because just to avoid the lethargy we go to the right side too much. So according to Him everything starts with lethargy and then the person loses the essence of life through lethargy and this is our special quality and that is our real problem – is the lethargy. Because Sahaj Yoga is a thing where we say there is “akriya”. We don’t have to do anything. It is effortless. Everything works out effortless, spontaneously. So we think that everything is going to work out for us spontaneously. Only the Kundalini Jagruti is spontaneous for the first time, not for the second time, only for the first time. That is I have to do it or My photograph has to do it. But afterwards you have to work, you have to keep your Kundalini afloat. You have to understand what are your problems, what are you getting into. I mean, individually every one of you is a masterpiece, individually. Because of lethargy you are clouded. Secondly because of lethargy you are secluded, lethargy gives you also ego. Because anything that challenges lethargy you get on top of that person, you don’t like such a person. But the lethargy also those do not have are the people their attention is not on spiritual development. Theirs is as I told you yesterday, on other things, which are not important to spiritual life. We pay so much attention to other things than to our spiritual life. Why is it? Why is it we pay more attention to material things, to material comforts, to material achievements, to material obsessions? Why? You must think about it. And why not to our spiritual ascent? The reason is we have been identified with matter. We have been going through that circle. We thought that we must have material development, so we had industrial revolution, we created a society dominated by industries, machinery came up. We saw the machinery started dominating us. We wanted to misidentify from that machinery. Machinery has also given us lethargy because we use machine made things our hands do not work. We have lost all the deftness of the hands; we have lost all the walking capacity. We can only take a bus or a car; we do not want to walk at all. Now this mechanization and the use of matter too much, has made us sort of matters ourself. We have become matter that we cannot live without it, it, yet we are so identified with it. After realization if you are still identified with the matter, then your realization slows down. So to, one has to understand, one has to understand fully that matter is absolutely secondary. Without of course getting your body you cannot receive realization, you have to have your body. But matter which is gross, is of no meaning. Subtle matter is all right for us, that’s important. Like this light, which is burning, is important. Water that is in the ocean is all right. The sky, open sky – say here it is not so good but if you go to a country is even better. The Mother Earth say example here, I don’t know how it is, but in India certain places Mother Earth is very much subtle, your material identifications. So matter has been identified with us, we have been using it, living with it and that’s why it is easy for us to get back into the same circle of matter. And we get into it, we pay attention more to it. Now if I say, “Do not pay attention to it more,” then you go on to another side, in a subtler way you jump into vices. Vices of – I can say uncleanliness, filth, dirt, mismanagement. So from one extreme to another extreme you go. Now in the center what is matter, we should understand, and we should try to then identify ourselves with our Spirit. Now what is matter? Let us find out. What is matter this. And what is created out of matter? Matter you know is made out of five elements. You know the five elements, which have made this body of ours. And these five elements are on the right-hand side of the human beings and these five elements either push you towards the left side or pull you towards the right side. I mean to say that when your start using the matter gradually you become lethargic. You become slave to it, it forms a habit. If you use a chair then you cannot sit on the ground. If you are used to a comfortable life, you cannot live in an uncomfortable life. Sort of it slaves you. Secondly, if you try to overpower the matter, getting overactive with matter, you make everything properly and make everything nicely and everything; you are over efficient with the matter, then your ego develops and when your ego develops you go into violence. Because if you produce more, you have to be violent about it otherwise you do not know how to sell it. You become, sort-of an aggressive businessman or a country, which tries to sell the matter, which tries to overpower other nations with their material advancement. With violence you go little further, then what becomes out of you is nothing but you become materialistic.And materialistic people have no heart. A materialistic person has no heart. He is just dried up. [10.02] He only understands money, money and money. He doesn’t go beyond it. So too much attachment to money is also materialistic, waste of money is also materialistic; mismanagement of money is the worst of all. So to be materialistic is your nature. You have started with it. That’s human nature to be materialistic because we have started with matter. But it is also the human nature to ascend. As it is natural to be a beast, it is more natural to be a Sahaj Yogi. So both things are part of the nature. Now which way you go is the thing. Now the ladder can take you up or can bring you down. If you have to go up your eyes should be upward. Now these five elements create what within you? They create the five chakras within you or you can say the six chakras are created out of these five elements. And these five elements, when they create the chakras then they also give us a support to have the deities’ aasana, a seat for the deities to come in. So they are important. But if you have to give a deity a seat, you do not give some sort of a filthy seat. You give a nice, the best seat, whatever is available, to the deity. So you must know that when you are using the matter, see the auspiciousness of it. You have to know the auspiciousness of things that you are using, whether it is auspicious or not. At random we buy clothes. At random we buy things. If you could use your vibratory awareness to buy your things to see what you should buy, what would look nice because beauty and auspiciousness goes hand in hand. They are not two things. Because beauty is a thing that gives joy to your Spirit, auspiciousness is the same, which gives joy to your Spirit. All other beauty is no beauty So for a Sahaj Yogi it is necessary to use all the matters, which are auspicious. Now auspicious matters, whatever are there, which are important matters must be kept at a higher level always. For example say My photograph, is very auspicious. Then you don’t put it on the ground, then don’t trample over it. In that also there are gradations of auspiciousness. But now your clothes because you are saints now, are very important. You are saints do you realize? Do you realize your self-esteem? You are saints now. What clothes you wear, you are not vagabonds. You are not tramps. You are not on the street. So you have to wear dignified dress. I have told everyone of you that, “Wear something dignified, not indignified.” It has to be majestic, because you are a saint now. You are no more a person running on the street, you are the selected saints by God. So the dress you wear need not be absurd or something funny but should give you dignity. Not any false but a real dignity. You see the vibrations of a dress. Wear your country’s dress. You need not wear somebody else’s dress or something, but the interest in the dress should be that it should give you dignity and a sense of respectability. It is to preserve your respect that you have to wear a dress. That is the utility of a dress. And now you go to another thing, anything that you are using, for example your house. Your house should be a house of cheerfulness, a house of dignity where people come in, they have comfort, they sit comfortably.But too much comfort is against Sahaj Yoga. But spartan also is not necessary that you do not have anything to spread on the ground or something. It should be comfortable. But it should not be comfort personified, because comfort creeps on you. Comfort is one thing is better for English people to avoid completely, is very good for them not to allow the body to get into comfortable positions. Specially bathroom addiction is too much in English people I have seen it. It is so much so I was so surprised that if I go supposing to a reception I can tell you whether it is owned by an Englishman or by somebody else. If it is owned by an Englishman, the bathroom will be done up very well, there will be towel for everything, soap for everything, I mean they are extremely particular. And immediately I know that it is done by some English gentleman, because they are very bathroom conscious. Though they do not take baths. I have seen houses with sixty bedrooms and no bath in England only. Now of course they have started. Bathing is not their quality. But bathroom – they are very particular. And even if you put an easy chair they wouldn’t mind sitting in a bathroom. And as far as bathroom is concerned one should just form such habits, that within ten minutes you should be out from the bathroom. Now when I say you have to take your baths, that doesn’t mean that early in the morning go and take a shower, it doesn’t mean that. You should take a bath at a time when you’ll have one hour before going out, but that also from auspicious point of view. Now you are saints, so use water as much as you can. Wash your hands ten times is very essential. To get your vibrations all right, you must wash your hands. But now in India there are people who wash their hands countingly sixty four times. And I always warn about the another side of it, like doctors go on washing their hands. In the same way, there are some people who go on washing their hands. You need not take out the skin out of your hands. But as many times as you wash your hands, it is a good thing. I mean you are saints but you are children. And I have to talk to you as to the children who are saints. It’s a big complication. While you are grown up people and sometimes you might feel hurt also, the way I have to tell you, but this is important that you have to understand that, “We are saints and as saints, what we have to do as far as the matter is concerned.” Now in a house there should be no dearth. Dearth is not the sign of a saintliness. Miserliness: dearth – you come to somebody’s house and you find a miserable beggary hole. That kind of a thing should not be. You must have proper plates, proper things or a broken plate somewhere, no. All these things should be clean, neat, maybe handmade, or even if you don’t get handmade, but they should be clean, auspicious. If you can get handmade things, nothing like it. That’s a very good idea if you can get hand made things and if you can use them it’s very good. I think we went to see Gandhiji’s ashram, didn’t we? You saw it was a simple place but very well done, everything. And that way Japanese are very good at these things; one has to learn a lot from them. You have to learn from so many people and because of Zen influence, the Japanese picked up the aesthetics of life. Very simple house they will have but everything very comfortable. And they know how to make the house look beautiful and how to make people feel comfortable. [Shri Mataji speaks aside] Matter is to be treated with respect because it is created by God. But whatever is respected is to be respected – not everything. Everything in the matter is not to be respected. For example, if you see some sort of a painting, which is, which is not auspicious, is not auspicious. You should refuse to see such a painting. You should avoid seeing such painting because it is not going to give you any joy, any happiness, nothing. It’s not going to work out. < Now one of the things which people always tell Me that in … “Sahaj Yogis do not have a presence.” This is a very important thing. The presence is done by matter. Now our presence, if it is not all right people can make it out. All things that are in us, if they become auspicious will have a presence. Wherever we’ll stand people will know there’s a presence. And this presence is a blessing of the matter to us. So you must respect matter in the sense what clothes you wear. Throwing clothes on the ground, throwing here and there, living like a donkey, like a pigsty, is not the way a Sahaj Yogi should live. He has to be orderly; he has to respect his clothes. But it should not be that you respect your clothes so much that you throw away others’ clothes. The others are Sahaj Yogis also. You have to respect each other because you are all saints. If you respect yourself you have to respect others. And once you start respecting the matter, which is the essence in you, that is attention. The essence of matter is attention. Attention gives you the presence. For example – recently Marie was with Me. While translating Me, she suddenly saw some flowers here and there, she started putting them right. It created a very funny situation. Everybody started seeing what’s matter with this woman? But now she’s understood it. And now I told her that, “When you are speaking you should say it with full concentration. Your attention, where is your attention?” If your attention is on money, even if I am talking about the highest things you’ll be thinking about money. If your attention is on something else, even if I am talking to something, you will be thinking of something else. That’s why our presence should be such that nobody’s attention is diverted or deluded. You understand My point? If your presence is funny, like a joker or a clown or a funny, untidy, everybody’s attention will be disturbed. If you are overly dressed also the attention will be disturbed. But if you are completely a presence then wherever you stand, people will feel there is somebody standing, great. The respect flows, actually respect flows. And it is something so remarkable that you don’t know how people try to help you then and how it works out. Your attention if it is dominated by matter, people can make it out. And that is one thing has to look after very clearly because these are countries who have advanced so much in material advancement. So what happens, every matter attracts your attention. You go on the street there’s this one woman is standing or there is something selling, this happening. All the time the attention … You see it is their job to attract your attention, otherwise how are they going to exploit you? See, they will have no justification. So they produce things, advertise things, to do in such a way to distract your attention. Now this is a force, which is acting against our attention. So as far as possible keep your attention straight, or on the Mother Earth. If you can control your attention, you can overcome your material domination. Now the best thing is to put attention to your Spirit. If you start putting your attention to Spirit, the sweetness of the Spirit itself will make the whole thing very sweet and beautiful. The attention should be in the Spirit. Even you are getting ready; keep the attention on the Spirit. Now it’s not difficult because Kundalini has reached that stage. Before realization if I had said it, then you would have said, “Mother, how to do it?” But now when you have got realization, try to bring your attention to Spirit. Means first when the Kundalini rises you start looking at the Spirit or you say when you get realization you see the Spirit. In the sense that the Spirit starts flowing through you, you start watching its flowing in this thing. But then after some time, you must enter into Spirit and [DEL: see,] see through the window of the Spirit, the whole thing by developing your witness Spirit. If you develop your witness state, from attention you become knowledge, the truth. Then material things become the knowledge; aesthetics of matter start giving you joy. You do not want to possess it, but they start giving you joy and even if you want to posses it, it would be just to enjoy it and give it away to somebody else. It’s like that. It’s for your enjoyment and you want to give it away to someone else. When you develop your witness state this will come to you that you will not keep things to yourself but you would like to give and share, sharing. That is the time you should know you have become a witness, because you are enjoying. Witness state is the state of Shri Krishna, of Virat. When you start sharing your things then it is a proper thing. Now the essence of puja is also how to overcome our material grossness. Puja is nothing but is how to overcome our material grossness. When we want to have a matter to ourselves, we must know that it is given to us by God. Everything belongs to God. Supposing we give flower to God, after all it is God’s own creation, what are we giving? We show light to God or do ‘aarti’ to God. What? It is all God’s light only, what do we do? But by showing light to God, what we do is to, we worship light within us. The light element gets enlightened within us. The light element is here on the Agnya. When you do aarti, or when you put light before God, when you show light to God, the light element within you gets enlightened. When you give flowers, Mooladhara gets enlightened. When you get honey, then your attention gets enlightened. So, why we give it to God, after all God doesn’t need anything. But God is the enjoyer. You are not the enjoyer, you cannot enjoy. Enjoyer is God. In you, when God is there that enjoys, that is the Spirit. So whatever pleases your Spirit is used in the puja to be given. Now you give rice – all these things are discovered – that you give rice to the Devi. Rice should be put in Her lap. Now what is rice, a little rice to a Devi? Is, by putting rice, in you the satisfaction of getting food or food that gives you satisfaction is enlightened. But that doesn’t mean you start showering things on Me, that doesn’t mean that. What I am trying to say, do it with dignity and understanding. That you give Me rice. Now, rice giving – these people don’t understand why rice is to be given to God? After all, why give Him palm leaves? What is He going to do? If Christ was the Son of God. What was the use of putting palm leaves for Him? Or to give Him oil, oil bath or to rub His feet with oil? It is for you to get the advantage. Now in Sahaj yoga it is proved now. When you rub My feet, you feel better, not Me. You rub My hands, you feel better. When you fall at My feet, you feel better. She, she is a great – what was, what is, what were you doing? Lady: Reflexology. Shri Mataji: Reflexology. Big name, ah? Reflexology. And she is supposed to know about the feet and things like that. One day she said, “Mother I want to come and massage Your feet. I know this and all that.” So I said, “All right, come along.” So she came to rub My feet. Instead of I feeling, becoming relaxed, she was becoming relaxed. The more she was rubbing she was getting relaxed. So you see when you do for God, the blessings comes to you. You are blessed. Whatever is the problem with you, you give to God to solve. Also whatever satisfies you, you give to God. The satisfaction comes to you. Now, these flowers when you give it to Me, Mooladhara. They give you two things, Swadishthana and Mooladhara. Flowers that’s why are very important. They give Swadishthana, if the flowers are beautiful, then they give Swadishthana and if they are fragrant they cure your Mooladhara. Now, I mean there is no end to flowers also. But think about it, that you are doing it to improve your chakras. Then other things that are used like say ghee. Ghee is used. It is for Vishuddhi. Shri Krishna is very fond of ghee and butter. So when you rub My feet with say butter, your Vishuddhi will improve, you know that. Not Mine, I have no problem. I have only one problem that you are within Me and when you have problem I have problems. Because these vibrations have to go to you. So I prepare vibrations here as an antidote and they have to flow. It’s a very subtle thing to understand. To move from gross to Spirit, this is the thing by which you move, because first you enlighten your chakras. By enlightening your chakras, your deities get happy, prasanna. By making the deities happy, you keep; get a passage for the Kundalini to pass through. By making the passage for the Kundalini, the Kundalini goes up and then your attention starts becoming one with the Spirit. It is step by step, you move from matter to subtler matter, from subtler matter to your chakras, from chakras to deities, from deities to the Spirit. Then Spirit enjoys itself. So there you do not have to do anything. Just give your Spirit to Spirit. That’s why these things were prescribed. Now people could not see this linkage. They thought that, “Why should we give anything to God? After all it is all His own.” The argument started. “Why should we put lights? There is no need.” But this is an escape. Where are you, at what stage? You are at a stage; you are at a stage where you have to detach yourself from matter. Same with Sahaj Yoga, I find it that you must understand the complete vision of Sahaj Yoga. It’s a very big thing you are doing. You are not small. You are doing a very great work, because it is “the” solution of all the humanity. This is the solution of all the problems, whether political, economic or anything, whatever you call it. Is not only that but the more people you have, you will be surprised, I’ll work out much better. Collectively I can cure cancer if you are more, if you are clear people. But your channels are so full of problems that nothing flows through you. If you get yourself cleared out, collectively I can stop cancer spreading, because if you spread more vibrations, what happens that the left and right side in Virat becomes clearer and the attack from the left and right side which creates cancer, all these horrible diseases, will be less. Because there will be less. But you do not understand your responsibility what you are doing. You are playing into the hands of satanics. By not paying attention to your cleaning, by not paying attention to your spiritual growth, you are not helping Me at all because these vibrations do not flow out. They have to flow through you. If I could manage them there was no need for Me to run after you. It has to flow through you, you are the channels and if you do not keep yourself clean and humble and meek about it, it doesn’t work out. You are not helping Me at all by that. So the localized problem of yours limited problems, should be given up and see to the bigger problems that you’ll be solving. I can stop the happening of cancer completely if I have twenty-one thousand Sahaja Yogis.Completely, Cancer will go out of … leprosy I can control. Cancer already I am controlling, but it’ll go down, collectively also. I mean the statistics I’ve not seen but will go down. It’s a left side attack and the more you try to go to left side there will be more attacks. Right side attacks are also lots of these wars. All these wars and all these things take place because we are invaded from the right side. All these aggressive people like Hitler and all that are aggressing us. How much it is necessary for you to rise above your lower self. One should understand that and not to indulge into nonsense that you are doing. You have to really work hard for that. Even if you have to get up early in the morning, you have to get up and do it. You should understand your responsibilities, that’s the main point is. People are now busy only doing jobs, working here, how much money you get, how much do you go, when do you go to job and all that. That’s not important for us. Now that doesn’t mean you give up your jobs and be a liability on the ashram, it doesn’t mean that! It means you do your jobs, have money, money is needed for the work. I need money, you know that how much money we need for all this work. You have taken such a big project of going to Europe having this little money. It’s not possible. But we are doing it somehow. So, we need money, you have to earn, you have to give; you have to give money. Here people are, they are not even willing to give ten pounds. Such people. With them where am I going to do Sahaj Yoga? We are so attached to money in a subtler way. We do not understand we have to give money and we have to do it up. Not only money, money’s not the only solution; we have to be ourselves channels. But then some people have money, then they are exploited in a wrong way and the money’s all wasted. This is precious money, this is auspicious money, this money goes into the right hands into right places. Problems are created because of that. Now this money I do not need, you know that very well. But for your own betterment you have to give money. Ask Gavin he’ll tell you. He’s a very generous man and he, he found it very good. It’s not that I need a single pai from you. On the contrary I am willing to spend My own money on things, you know that definitely. But, you must understand this work has to be done, so you need money. I need not tell you that you have to pay money. I have never said this to Indians, I have never told them. They have never given Me a problem you’ll be amazed. How they solve their problems God alone knows. They are not the people of money. There’s never a quarrel about money. Nobody talks about money, nobody tells Me anything, nothing of the kind. Nobody oppresses anyone or mishandles anyone or controls anyone, everybody does so well. Money is not with one person. Say about two, three people handle it. Everybody knows how much money they are taking. This one part is important. For solving this problem you give Me rice. It’s called as “Oti bharne,” that you give Me rice I beg of you, actually. You put it in My sari. Rice, you give Me five times, I give you seven times back. That’s the symbol. You know how symbols work out. Even when you say, “Mother are you the Holy Ghost?” it works out, it gives you realization. If there is somebody so alert and sensitive sitting before you, you must know how to do the symbols, how to do them properly, with full maturity, understanding, in the proper way. You are very anxious to do the puja, but do you understand, before the puja always there’s a quarrel going on. Somebody who is a very possessed person will come, to begin with, and everybody will start fighting. Imagine! You must take your bath, “What are you doing?” In the morning don’t talk to anyone. Be in hush condition. You are in for opening out to the great power, which is going to solve the problem of the world. So you cleanse yourself, you wash yourself; you cleanse yourself, so that you get your chakras evolved. People talked against it because they became only ritualistic, mechanical; matter became very important. Then only doing these things became important. But not now, you people are different. You are realized souls. That doesn’t mean that you should take to sanyasa or anything. You should, I’ve told you, you should live like normal people, but a very dignified people. Nothing of indignity, childishness, superfluousness or joker-like, clown-like, outstandingly funny, all these dresses should not be worn. You should be properly dressed in a way that you have a presence. I mean this is to a children I am telling you. You must have a presence of grown up Sahaja Yogis, You are all saints. You know such a lot even many saints do not know. You can go and ask so many of them. There’s one thing they know that I am that. That’s one thing you do not know. They know that. This is a big difference. Because I am easily available to you, you do not understand. For them I am great. As I told you yesterday that how these saints have recognized and they have sent people to help Me. In saintliness only, your recognition of Me is poor. Because if it was not, you would not be shouting in My presence, quarrelling in My presence. You give Me headaches, you tell Me things, which you should not tell Me. “He knocked at my door,” somebody tells Me. He says “he came there, he did this,” another tells Me. You should not talk like this to Me. You are materially again bound by talking. From where does the talk come from? Vishuddhi. Talk comes from Vishuddhi, but it starts from, the whole vani, the whole sound starts from much below. So, to raise it higher there are stages of this sound coming in. And when it becomes madhyama, is in the heart, in the heart region where it just throbs, you do not feel the throbbing. Then it comes here. Here it becomes vaikhari. Then it becomes pashyanti means it sees, it just sees. Then it becomes Para, where it becomes just silent in the aweness of the presence. We have to develop those things. But we do not understand that all these things are our attributes, which we have to enlighten and rise. And make every part, every petal of our being beautiful. If you start understanding these small, small things, which are very important because I am talking of very big things. But even a small thing can close your eyes completely. It’s a very big vision I have, very big vision. And that vision can be done through you people. You do not think that you are ordinary. Otherwise I would never have chosen you. But you have no recognition of yourself also, as you have no recognition of Me. You have to recognize yourselves and respect yourself. Do not respect material things, respect yourself first of all and the matter within you. If [side 1 & 2 overlap in this paragraph] you move that way I think you’ll understand better what I am saying. The body of a human being is a temple of God. But this temple has to be enlightened and has to be auspicious. You have to clear and clean your being completely so it’s a beautiful temple for God to reside there. But we deceive ourselves, you see? When I am talking, you listen to Me and you think that “Oh, Mother talked very sweetly, beautifully,” finished. But nothing goes inside. Why? Because of lethargy. Lethargy is a thing, which is a barrier. It doesn’t allow Me to go inside you. It’s a barrier. It’s very sweet thing, which smiles, just you see thinking, “Oh, Mother is saying something nice, it’s very great,” it gives you happiness and all that, but it doesn’t go inside, you do not imbibe. And that’s why, try to put your attention to yourself and feel your dignity and honor. Feel your presence that you have to have a presence and when I tell to some people, they’ll say, “I know, Mother, I know I do that.” Then why do you do it? That means you are possessed. You are a possessed person that you know this is wrong, still you are doing it. Then you are a possessed person. Then is better you beat yourself with shoes. But that stage should go now, I don’t like you to beat yourself with shoes, I mean are you that, that level? But the level is such still. And your presence is the one that should give Prasannata, is the cheerfulness to others. Others should feel cheerful in your company. A presence is something, which you can understand. A presence has prudence. It understand how to behave in a particular thing. It is not imprudent like it won’t rush to a thing. It won’t jump on to a thing. If somebody is talking you just do not become absolutely dominating on that. When you talk, you do not talk in a way that is dramatic or sort of theatrical; or neither you talk in a way that is lunatic-like or something like that. Presence has its own balance in the center and that presence must be maintained. Presence is very important and just see yourself: are you having a presence? Some people are very good Sahaj Yogis, but they have no “go,” they have no dash, at all. They receive things, they see things, they should have a dash. They have to tell people, but in a way that is congenial, that is sweet, that is beautiful, that works is the point. If it does not work, what’s the use? Now again I am going for seventeen days. Really seventeen days I’ll be out. I miss you all very much and I feel concerned so much, because you have to still grow quite a lot. I feel that among you there is no understanding of collectivity. A very irritable people; you get irritable with each other, how can you? You are all saints. You must respect each other; you must love each other, talk sweetly to each other. You are all saints! A saint meets another saint, how does he meet? Have you seen anytime, a real saint meeting another real saint? You should see. You do not look like that. The first proof is this. Are you really saints or not. He has gone to India, how they met you? Yogi: Take really hold of me. Shri Mataji: See? Yogi: I couldn’t believe him … Shri Mataji: How they meet each other! They’ll hug each other and they enjoy each other’s company. They laugh at jokes and understand it is such a congenial thing. Nobody thinks, “I am right.” Nobody thinks like that. Once you start thinking, “I am right and that person is wrong.” “I am doing all right, he’s wrong,” finished. They enjoy themselves so much just like one wave it moves, you see? They are all the time laughing, enjoying you know, loudly. They help each other such a lot. It’s absolutely worth seeing that. While we had only five or six people to begin with, in [INDIAN PLACE NAME, SOUNDS LIKE: Nilambar,] from London. One better than the other. They are all fighting, quarrelling and they used to come up to beating. Can you believe it? This was happening. So shameful I tell you and everybody was coming and telling, “What sort of Sahaj Yogis you have got, Mother? Are they Sahaj Yogis, really?” Arguing and doing this and doing that. All sorts of things were on and they would not inform Me the whole of it, but part of it would come to Me. I was so ashamed. Ask Malcolm. They used to, I mean they would break each other’s heads there. This was the condition. Can you believe it? While you would never find any Sahaj Yogis doing that, never, in India. I have not seen anyone. Anybody who tries to be funny goes out, immediately out of circulation. There’s no group-forming, nobody fights with anybody, nothing. And everybody was surprised how strange these people were, one better than the other. They were very irritable, hot-tempered, fighting and all that. They were so surprised that how can there be. Give you an example here of Chhaya, see. Despite, she’s quite shocked; but she doesn’t know how to really beat things, meet. People are so criticizing, so this thing, but she’s trying to keep the balance. She’ll be always at the back. She’s never in the forward, when it comes to work she’ll be the first to do it. She takes up responsibilities. This is what happened last time. It’s not only lethargy, it is worse than that. In lethargy, you see it is a devil’s mind, and when you come out of lethargy you just come to blows. But as it is in India, I’ve not seen people coming to blows, I really tell you. Very seldom you’ll find people coming to blows. I mean, people never even talk loudly or in a temper, never. Now normally people are very quiet type. Then Sahaj Yogis, Oh! You should see how they enjoy. Oh! The girls and boys and every one, the way they enjoy. Love seeing them. You must try to enjoy each other. Now the worst thing that can happen to human beings is ego. Worst thing, possession is better, at least you feel the pinch of it. But ego you never feel the pinch. It is you never feel that there is ego in you and you think you are the most correct person, you are the best person and the temper shows here in the nose. I can see the “haw-haw,” nose coming up like that. Such ego, such ego, and this ego Indians have also picked up from you. Those who have come in contact with you, you see, as the dog when he comes in contact with human being learns many things, in the same way Indians who have come in contact with you people have picked up ego and we can see the difference. But in simple villages people try to be nice, congenial, good. How – by understanding auspiciousness. An auspicious presence is soothing, comforting, absorbing, beautiful. And this, how do you develop? You should do little aarti to My photograph is a good idea. Now when you do the aarti also, somebody is shouting at the top of his voice. He’s trying to lead others. Then another trying to lead others, this should not be. There should be some, homogeneous, I can make it out, there’s no rhythm. Sing in the same tone, same style, try to make it one, one, concord should be there. In a humble way, in joyous way that we all are singing, all our hearts are singing. All of us are here to do it. So many of us are… feel that joy, we are so many. And it has a very bad effect on others when they see you this way. I mean anybody would be shocked. Why in India it is spreading, because they see that love between the people. Now of our attention if you take it to the Spirit you’ll feel the collectivity. Attention should be, as I told you yesterday, find out how many times you have talked nicely to others and how many times have you have been quarrelling. If somebody says even a harsh word just keep quiet. Do not feel bad, it’s all right, it comes and goes. Now some people are negative in the sense that they are on the left hand side and some people are negative because they are on the right hand side. Sometimes these combinations work very well. When a dominating man tries to dominate a left handed person, they are great friends, nothing like it. Because one dominates and another takes the domination. As soon as the left hand side person becomes little on the center or tries to come to the right, the dominating ones starts clashing. Then they are the worst enemies of each other. It happens like that, so be on the alert. Now a person who is on the negative on the left side, should try to come in the center and in the same way a person who is on the right side should come to the center. Now how do you do it? Which is the way we can do it? Let us see it. A person who is very much on the right hand side should try to become friendly with the left hand side and left hand side person should try to be friendly with the right hand side, supposing. Let us start like this. So what is the give and take in this thing? The person who is on the right hand side will be better organizer, may be, may not be. At least will be a better orator or maybe a better sort of a leader, may be, may not be, you can’t say. He may be the one who will suggest things and who will bring out things, who will say “I’ll do this; I’ll do–” sort of thing, maybe. The left hand person will be frightened but will be humble, more loving, more affectionate. He’ll be much more at the command of others. This one will be commanding and the other will be receiving the command. This will be there. Now how do we solve the problem of this mixture, you see? The one who is very much on the ego side should try to obey the person who is on the left hand side. And on the left hand side should try to command more on the right hand side person and should be accepted. They, it should be mutually understood, there should be a contract. “All right, I am an ego oriented person and you are superego oriented, now let us do one thing. You try to dominate me and I’ll try to obey you.” It will work out. It’s a psychological style. You just work it out. Try somebody who is a left sided person to dominate you. But rather difficult to get left sided people here. They are very few, because I believe some people were left sided, but when it comes to ego they are worst than anybody else, you see? So rather difficult, but you can have a person who is left sided and let ten/an? ego oriented ask him to dominate. Till he develops his ego, he’s all right. If he develops ego stop it. But with complete understanding, watching yourself, how you develop, how far you go – a play should go on. Play with yourself. But if you are identified with yourself that “I am always right, and nobody is right,” nothing can work out. I can tell you this much. Because if you are perfect I need not waste My words here. So the best way is to do this sort of a thing, “All right you order and I’ll do. Come along let’s see what do you think? Let you organize and we’ll do it. You tell us how to do it.” So he will use your heart and you will use your attention, it will work out very well. The combination will be good. Let us decide to improve ourselves and not to feel bad about it. We have to improve a lot and a lot and a lot, because the relationship between you seems to be so bad. It’s like cancer – absolutely cancer. It is malignant. So try to see your ego and if it’s a… now even people if you have told them that somebody says you should say “I’m sorry,” they’ll not say like that. They’ll say sarca… “Aha, I am sorry,” or something like that. They’ll say in a sarcastic way so that sorry also has no meaning. All right, all right don’t say anything. This is not the way. You should say, “See yourself. So this ego has come. Now please tell me something else, I’ll do it.” Christ washed the feet of His disciples. Just think of that. And that’s what a sensible Sahaj Yogi does. He washes the feet of another disciple. If you remember Aradhna, my granddaughter, when you people came to My house. There were I think about eight or ten of them. She got a small bucket; she washed each and everybody’s feet. Every time she would take it back to the bathroom throw it away, again fill it up bring it with great Spirit. She was five years. She had not completed her five years and she would wash everybody’s feet, wipe them, again put back. She did for everybody and then after that she came on My feet and then she said “I’m not going to look at anybody, I’m going to run away now I have done my job,” and she went away. Aradhna is of a very high quality Sahaj Yogini she is, very high quality. But she thought that this is the best way of washing their feet is showing the essence of collectivity. “Some part of me is not all right, let me clear it.” For example if you think of Me and you, you will understand how much I work hard on you. Why? Because I love you very much and you are My part and parcel. If you are not all right I’m not going to be all right. If you consider then, you will never think somebody is lower than you. Is better to wash the feet of someone than to wash your own feet, will be a good idea. Put down your ego every time. Mohammad Sahib used this method. But best was used by Nanaka: He said, “Let all the Sikhs do some seva.” They have to, as a punishment they have to do some seva. So, what is a seva when there is a group? Somebody has to sit down. Even one guru, very big guru, had to clean the shoes of all the people who came for the program. He was given polish, brush and everything – very recently he was punished to clean the shoes of the people who came round. He was supposed to wash their clothes, wash their things, as a punishment. Anybody who is arrogant should do it. Anybody who quarrels or fights should do it. Anybody who is blunt should do it. And it worked, it works. They are supposed to wash their clothes, they are supposed to wash their feet, rub their feet, give them a massage and feel better. In India if you see, all the Sahaj Yogis are working on each other’s chakras. But here nobody will accept even that you have these chakras caught up. Have you seen that? Everyday they are working, cleaning everybody’s, they’ll say, “Baba, clean my chakra,” they’ll say. Then when they do it they say “Thank you, you’ve cleaned mine.” And then they helped them, they rub their hands, feet because you have done so much work for them. This is not done here. I would like to see more mutual understanding, mutual love, mutual attraction for each other, should look forward to each other. Try to help each other than to criticize. I hate to hear any criticism of anyone from any one of you. But when it gets, goes too much is better to tell Me. But you must judge yourself, “What are we doing for others?” Some people think, “As long as we keep quiet it’s all right.” It’s not the point. Try to be nice, give some presents, talk to them and there are so many ways of expression of your love to them. Give sometimes flowers, try to find out what are the likes and dislikes of the person is, is very good idea. Do not do things that people do not like, sometimes you see. It’s better not to do it. What is the use? If the relationships are spoilt, not to do those things. Just find out what you don’t like. A simple thing: my husband doesn’t like Me to put flowers in the hair. But in Maharashtra all the married women are supposed to put the flowers in the hair, that’s a custom. But because of I’ve married him, he doesn’t like because in their community, only bad women put flowers in the head; I have never put flowers in My head. Only when it is a special puja or they tie up – in Maharashtra, there I agree. But I never make a bun and put a thing. It’s all right, if he doesn’t like it why do it? Unnecessary to increase all the clashes and the problem. Don’t do anything that people do not like you to do. Try to avoid, it creates problems. Try to do something that pleases others. Let us see if you have devised this method how to please. If you please others, your deities will be very happy, because they are all one, within you, within her, within her, they are all one. And they feel happy, because they’re all related to each other, and they feel unhappy when you try to be unkind to each other, because they are one. If this is worked out, properly, understandingly, all of you are going to be great saints. I see your image in future also. Of some of you are going to be very, very great and some of you are going to take it up. It’s a, it’s a project launched. Launch a project against yourself, towards yourself, building up yourself. How sweet you are going to be others, let’s have it. Talk to others. Some people just don’t talk, I have seen they are all the time …[SILENCE]; they will have very bad Vishuddhi. You must talk; you must be nice you must be open-hearted. This Yugoslav girl is very open–hearted, I like her for that reason. She has a big heart. Talk with a big heart, open! No secretiveness and this cold, what is it called, English manner? Yogini: Aloof? Shri Mataji: Aloof? Yogini: When you keep yourself above people. Shri Mataji laughs: Aloof. I think there must be some English special word for this thing. The way they are cold you know. When you sit…. Other yogini: Stiff upper lip, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ha? Several yogis: Stiff upper lip … Upper lip. Shri Mataji: Upper lip? Upper lip, not so much upper lip. There need not be upper lip, could be pride. [Yogi’s laugh and one make an indistinct comment at which Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: That kind of a presence is here, [INDISTINCT: DOUR,] which is specialty of English also, isn’t it? You go in a train, they just don’t talk. I mean they don’t allow you to talk, they freeze you with silence. They can’t see people laugh, smile or joke, anything a …[SILENCE] and you don’t know what to do with them. Newspaper they will read only all the way, and they will fold it and read it. But they know each and everything about you. Yogini: Could it be called “insular.” Shri Mataji: Insular. Ah yes! And is a very dangerous thing for Sahaj Yogis. The one who becomes insular is in for trouble. Is in for trouble, insular. You know why, because you are left alone, you’ll be attacked. Be together. All these bhoots also know you are insular. They’ll attack you. By any chance you try to become unique, they’ll attack you. Even some people become, by talking too much also they can become insular, unique; you sit on top of everybody else. Better be with everyone, is better. Be one with everybody, congenial. Take a joke from others. Other are joking with you, you should not get angry. If somebody joking with you, “Oh! Shut up.” Like that one should not do. Take a joke, be a sport. English language has one very good quality that they can laugh at themselves, you see. All the language has found out ways and methods of how to laugh at yourself, that’s something beautiful about English language. I don’t think any language has so many words to express these odd situations, which are very, very embarrassing you see. You can only brand them and by branding them, you know where you are. You exactly know what medicine is needed for this. You see it is like that. It’s just branding, “Oh this is it,” and it’s very interesting to watch these things in the society and everywhere. Which is described, even Charles Dickens, now example, at that time he found out these things and he said it. And I mean the description of all these things is so beautifully done in the literature that you are amazed how people had a capacity to see themselves, the society as it is and to de… Characterization of people: how characters are built up you see and how it becomes a social problem. It’s beautifully done and that’s the wisdom. That’s the real wisdom of British, I tell you. I mean you may lose it if you start getting dominated by nonsensical ideas, but otherwise that wisdom you have innate. I mean to have a person like Shakespeare itself shows what? I mean you are a country of great people. How can that be? Where some, they are not “some,” there are quite a lot of them and you are going to be the wisest because you have the advantage of their creation. On top of, you have got advantage of your creation. Then/that? you belong to a great country like that. Imagine the whole country is getting into the mire of lethargy, who is going to save this country? You people. So again and again it is against lethargy and whatever is lethargy is anti Christ, is anti God, is anti Mataji. Try to become cheerful and blissful, happy, dignified, sensible, sweet. It’s not too many things, is very few, it’s only one. And I know we are going to enjoy life very much. You are going to be very happy people. Take out your tempers from your heads first of all, the angers you see and to say, “I got very angry.” Means what? Why did you get angry? To be proud of your anger and temper and your irritations! It will be very beautiful I am sure. You are growing up, but the growth becomes little dwarfed with these nonsensical things, you know. So you have to protect your growth from these things as we protect a small plant from say frost falling on a plant. It’s like that. Frost is nothing compared to the plant, because plant is growing, but the frost can kill it and that’s how you do not make it a frost. Be cheerful. People come up and they go down. I’ve seen people come up and then they go down. Try to look after yourself. [27:35 side B] [Extra 19 min on reviewers tape:] Now after seventeen days I am going to come and see you very beautifully developed and all the time My attention is on you, I work on you all the time. And I’m much more intimate with you than with anybody else, because these people see Me only for two days and then they started crying! They’re lost. But I see you so much, more than even Indians. Is Paul there? Paul has come? Yogi: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: Yes. Hm. Paul, what happened? Paul: I want to get a message to, from the people of India… Shri Mataji: Ha? Paul: …Apart from the – the people of India send their love. But one of the Sahaj Yogis in india has become very ill. Shri Mataji: Who? Paul: Professor [INDISTINCT: Manneh] in Rahur. Shri Mataji: I know. But why did you get angry with Dhumal? Paul: Dhumal? By that time I’d really, I’d had enough of seeing in India the way that there’s two classes of people in India: those who have a lot of money and those who– Shri Mataji: And what about in this country? Paul: Well it’s the same deal in this country, but the people in this country who don’t have a lot of money, at least they have bare necessities of life. You know like a roof over their heads. Shri Mataji: You went there to do Sahaj Yoga or to do these things? You see, what I’m saying, where was your attention? Now you knows, Dhumal has given realizations to ten thousand people. And he’s your elder brother, you should respect him. He has a servant, because in India the situation is different. If he gives up his servant, he’ll have no food to eat. It’s not that everybody use brain. You see this is one thing in this country people do not realize. If you use, you work much harder than his servant, do you know that? Because your brain never stops. His servants works with his hand he doesn’t think! His energy goes to his hands, he rests also. You see here the idea is if somebody’s working with the hand, it’s cruelty. But what about this brain? The amount of brain you use all the time – now tell me, you cannot stop your thinking, all right? Now see My servant, though he works hard, he’s much more relaxed than My husband is. My husband doesn’t do even lifting a, say lifting a glass. All right? And what happens, that one can say that this man is a lazy fellow, he’s enjoying everything in life, he’s enjoying all the comfort while the servant is not. But My servant is, in a way, is doing his handwork, because that’s all he can do; his brain is not that developed. And he has much more rest than My husband has. He’s much more relaxed. Somebody is the hand, somebody is the feet and somebody’s the head. But if you do work with your head, is the same. Now if you are doing work with your head, you have to have certain amount of comfort to your body, otherwise even if you have to suffer on your body – of course I do not say that servants should be ill-treated by any chance, that should not be done – but… And nobody gives your money to anybody else like that. You see he’s paid for it and he does the work with his hands so you can see it. But what about the brain part, do you see the brain how it works? I wish you could have a microscope to see how the brain works, and all the chakras, “cutcutcutcut-cutcutcutcut” going on. One thought itself is a dynamite and you cannot stop it, ask him. Yesterday his thought going on like a machine! There’s a machine here working out. So, this happens and then one should understand that when you go to any country, you are a guest there… He was very unhappy and he wrote a very sad letter to Me and that was not good. You didn’t want him to be unhappy, you w– Paul indistinctly: What if I write? Shri Mataji: Ha? Dhumal? Paul: We didn’t have an argument. Shri Mataji: Ha? Paul: I didn’t have an argument. Shri Mataji: You didn’t have what? Paul: I told him what I felt. Shri Mataji: Ha? Paul: I told him what I felt, I just went, I just… you know the most, quite a lot of places in India. And– Shri Mataji: You, what did you feel? Paul: Well I felt that if somebody’s telling me how many houses they’ve got and how many houses they’re buying, when their servant doesn’t have a roof over his head, when the roof leaks and the children– Shri Mataji: Now, supposing, here people have so many houses which are lying empty, here, in England. Do they give their houses to you people? Do they? Is there any way? How many people you should give also, is there any system by which you should give? See that is not Dhumal’s problem, is the problem of the government. Dhumal has houses, he has given a huge big fort to us as a present to Sahaj Yoga. If he gives a house free to his servant, I think he will make him a parasite out of him. Do you know in India, beggars have got big, big buildings? Do you know that fact? Some of the buildings on Marine Drive are owned by people who are professionally beggars. So if you see some problem it has so many deeper roots, which you do not see. But, you just write a letter of apology to him. I was hurt, very much, because he, he has done such a tremendous job. He is going to give a huge big place to us for Sahaj Yoga. Nobody has been able to do that so far. He has given Me ten thousand people as Sahaj Yogis. And when you people say, “I felt,” what is this “I,” what is this “I”? I know you have a very sympathetic heart, but sometimes you are swayed by it. Sympathetic heart, to a point is good. It should be prudent heart, it should not be unwise. You must know the sense of proportion. I mean that’s a system in India, which is working, but you cannot do without servants. Here also. What is happening to you, without servants, you are all intelligent people, why you live in a mess, in pigsties? Because you are using your brains, you don’t know how to use your hands. All these communistic ideas are of no use. People have to do some sort of a job, this job or that job. There’s nothing wrong. Some people who can do brain job, have to do brain job, those who have to do handwork has to do handwork. Of course there should not be much disparity in their living, I agree, but that’s not his problem, is the problem of the whole country. But I tell you even to servants I have seen, you give them something… There was a lady nurse, you see? Once I was rather sick so she used to come and see Me and help Me a little bit. So I thought just as a favor I must do something to her. So I sent her by our ship to sea, I said “Let her have a holiday, she’ll be all right.” So I sent her to Africa. I mean the problems are much deeper than you understand. I sent her to Africa. You know, she came back and she started telling the doctor off. She thought she has become the doctor. And the doctor told Me, “Why did you do it?” They get into imbalances. You see, even to poor persons, if you give them something like that, they go into imbalances. I’ll give you another very concrete example. My husband, who is very socialistic in his approach, and is a good thing, so what he did, was to increase the pay of the drivers. You see the drivers started getting one thousand Rupee, which was very, very big amount. And the lowest clerk gets about say twelve hundred. So there was a very little disparity. Now the driver’s getting one thousand Rupees, was too much. Within six months their wives came to Me. They said, “This was a very wrong thing he did to our husbands. They have got keeps now; they have started drinking; they have started not giving any money to us.” So to poor people if you give them more money, they do not know how to use it, they will be drinking. Poor people drink much more than the rich people. So they had to be trained how to use money. You just give them money is no use. You do not understand the deeper… thing… People are to be brought up properly. Like we have got in India Schedule Caste – I agree Schedule Caste is a nonsense, it should not be there, you should not treat somebody as a lower caste, is all right. But what they have brought into now, suddenly, that Schedule Caste must have equal seats, equal rights in every job and everything, whether they are qualified or not. So you have got people who are not qualified, or even in exams, in the colleges, you must have so many Schedule Caste. Now what has happened, by doing this kind of a top-heavy work, some muck has come up, and they are absolutely useless people, they cannot do administration. Instead of that, what Ghandiji had said, that, “Train them up, educate them, bring them up.” Suddenly the educated people are there and some people suddenly, uneducated, nothing, brought to that, they cannot bear it. Now we had a servant with us who came to Me, who was a – you must be knowing him, Paramshivam – who came down here. And he used to, he was getting hardly hundred Rupees there, we gave him a big pay and everything, when he came here he started misbehaving. Then his mother, when I wrote to them that, “He’s misbehaving, I don’t know what to do. He has developed all bad habits.” He was buying pornography pictures here, going to the pub, then having girlfriends and doing all sorts of things, he started here. So when I wrote to his mother, what his mother wrote to Me is very interesting to read. She said, “Those people who live in mud, if they have to sleep on a bed, it hurts them. So suddenly giving them something materially is not going to improve him. You have to train them up. You do not know what problems there are of poverty. Poverty is just like leprosy. Leprosy: you know what the leprosy parasites eat? They eat petrol; they thrive on petrol. So gross it is. And then, you being an Englishman should not have said it, because English are responsible for the poverty of India, you like it or not. They have created this problem for us, we didn’t have this problem before. Our servants were part and parcel of our house. They treated us just like slaves, so we have got this idea from them.How they treated us! I must say Dhumal was very decent not to say this to you, but this is what it is. The way they treated us in India, you have no idea. Even till yesterday we had “White Clubs” where Indians were not allowed on our own soil! When we were independent, and they’re fighting for it. They killed thousands of people, raped so many woman there. “We English” should not say that, in that country were we have ruled and made them slaves. You see they did not allow us to come up. What are you doing to foreigners here who are coming up? How you treat them? What racialism you have here compared to what we have in India, we have no racialism. They treated you with such great respect. They should have said, “You are white, so ‘racialism,’ all right we’ll ill-treat you.” But if you go to Africa they will teach you. Africans, West Indies – they are on top of you. What I’m saying, to break the vicious circle try to understand the problem of every country. From where does this problem come to India, and to most of the countries who are underdeveloped. The French, they dominated also many countries. This is also, one should understand that we should not dominate any more. We should wash their feet, that’s what it is. Now you have killed the culture of all the Africans and Africans have taken to all French and English culture. Absolutely, they have prostitutes the same way you have, they have the women the same way you have; their ideas of liberation’s the same, only the Indians have resisted you. Otherwise everywhere you have never respected anybody’s culture or anything. You have to face it. If you go to South America, you’ll be shocked the way people have wiped out all the… all the people who lived there; all of them, one and all. Except for Colombia, can you imagine? Every country, every soul has been wiped out. Just see that. Of course if he was ill-treating him I can understand, but he doesn’t ill-treat. These ideas are Western ideas; they’re applicable to you people, not to Indians. And this is the big mistake people are doing is to put your ideas onto us. For example in field reforms, you see? My son-in-law is a very enlightened fellow, he had twenty-five miles, square miles of area of his own. But he used to get his labor from all these areas, he used to provide them everything, he used to pay them very well; they were living very well. Suddenly the idea came, “No. They must have their own land holdings,” all right – without understanding that they are to be trained, they are to be brought up, they are not educated, there must be communication – so everybody was given a one patch here and a one patch there and a one patch there and a one patch there. What happened, that they started getting strangulated in those areas. There was no way of communication to them, they could not get their wheat, they could not get their seeds, they could not do anything, they started starving. And they came to My son-in-law that, “You come forward, you are the one who was the agency in between and you should have done it.” But they removed the agency and without training these people. Ghandiji suggested these things. He said that, “You must enlighten the rich people and you must also try to emancipate these people by education, by making them understanding,” and all that. There is a huge, areas in India, which are called as “Backward Areas,” where these aboriginals live. They do not believe in any sedentary habits, they are like, what you call the gypsies. So what they do, these people plough their fields and all that, and they come in the night and plunder it. And they live like that. And they have been living like this and they feel very happy about it. They second is this (?), the so-called poor of India. You must see how leprosy grows also. They started in Maharashtra a scheme by which they said, “We will provide you jobs and otherwise we’ll give you a dole.” Now this is the worst thing that can happen to anyone; that we have realized very soon, I hope they have withdrawn it. So they what they did – Indians as it is they are very cunning and clever – so what they did they would go and write their names as the people who are doles, getting doles, you see? And they would work somewhere and get the dole as well, double money. Then they would go and drink. What are these people doing, but to drink? It’s such a problem, prohibition; they, they drink iodine, they drink, what you call this… What do you eat, drink for this thing, it’s some sort of sulphuric acid or some sort of an acid they drink? I don’t know? Various yogis: Meths… Methylated Spirits. Shri Mataji: Methylated or whatever... [laughs] I don’t know! I don’t understand. So, you see they are so foolish, what I am saying that taking up anything like that at random is not good.And I was sorry because his wife wrote to Me, “How much they have done for Sahaj Yoga.” The only solution is Sahaj Yoga. There’s no other solution, which he has helped Me a lot.“You see,” and he was very sorry he said that, “How am I to do without servants?” You see the servant system is like that. If he gives roof to everyone he’ll be left with no house. There’s not done, this kind of generosity’s not done anywhere. If there was such an agency like that, which was doing such a work, it is possible.Even the so called communists everywhere, wherever they are in a democracy, have their own properties. Once the democracy will go away they won’t be able to even talk. But I do not say that Capitalism is the solution; I say Sahaj Yoga is the solution, all right? It is the Sahaj Yoga and he’s done so much for Sahaj Yoga. For that servant we cannot in any way insult him; servant is not important for us, who is the servant? Who are these poor people to us? We are not responsible for them, the state is responsible. We are responsible for Sahaj Yogis, because they are the people who make the difference. What does it matter if thousand people die or live, to God? He can create thousand more? There are people who are realized, even poor people, but our attention should not be shifted otherwise we’ll become like that lady, Theresa. She collects money from people, she has no money of her own. She gets people who are somewhere dying and she, she has mission, I…	null	null	null	"Lethargy Most Anti-God". Chelsham Road Ashram, London (UK), 27 September 1980. …and he talked about the tour, how successful it was, I wish you could have heard it before I started this lecture of Mine today. But yesterday I was talking about two things, which we have to do in England, which one should understand, you see. Because every country has its own problems and we do absorb the problems. [Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi sounds like “Left hamari aur kar. Left hand, ha.] [In Hindi: Point your left hand towards Me, point your right hand outwards]. Now the thing is our work is spreading very fast and people are taking to it. In Europe I find the land is much more fertile, surprisingly and once people get realization they become fantastic, I mean they think it’s something that they have been expecting and they understand Sahaj Yoga much better than we understand here. Though your Kundalinis rise very high, I’ve seen that, but the progress is not that all right. Now Ray has been to India, he’ll tell you how, what sort of people we have in India and how they have progressed themselves. Now as I said the main problem of our country is lethargy and lethargy is something we have to overcome somehow and this lethargy is a, actually a satanic force. It’s not lethargy only of the matter that comes from material domination on the Spirit, but it is really satanic because it stops your progress and is to be avoided. And to get out of it one has to be really alert about it, how it crawls onto you. Krishna has put, the worst vice in the whole world is “aalasya”, means lethargy. “Aalasyso Bijayate” – everything comes out of aalasya. According to Him, first the lethargy comes in and because of lethargy we get into vices and then we go to the right side also because of lethargy. Because just to avoid the lethargy we go to the right side too much. So according to Him everything starts with lethargy and then the person loses the essence of life through lethargy and this is our special quality and that is our real problem – is the lethargy. Because Sahaj Yoga is a thing where we say there is “akriya”. We don’t have to do anything. It is effortless. Everything works out effortless, spontaneously. So we think that everything is going to work out for us spontaneously. Only the Kundalini Jagruti is spontaneous for the first time, not for the second time, only for the first time. That is I have to do it or My photograph has to do it. But afterwards you have to work, you have to keep your Kundalini afloat. You have to understand what are your problems, what are you getting into. I mean, individually every one of you is a masterpiece, individually. Because of lethargy you are clouded. Secondly because of lethargy you are secluded, lethargy gives you also ego. Because anything that challenges lethargy you get on top of that person, you don’t like such a person. But the lethargy also those do not have are the people their attention is not on spiritual development. Theirs is as I told you yesterday, on other things, which are not important to spiritual life. We pay so much attention to other things than to our spiritual life. Why is it? Why is it we pay more attention to material things, to material comforts, to material achievements, to material obsessions? Why? You must think about it. And why not to our spiritual ascent? The reason is we have been identified with matter. We have been going through that circle. We thought that we must have material development, so we had industrial revolution, we created a society dominated by industries, machinery came up. We saw the machinery started dominating us. We wanted to misidentify from that machinery. Machinery has also given us lethargy because we use machine made things our hands do not work. We have lost all the deftness of the hands; we have lost all the walking capacity. We can only take a bus or a car; we do not want to walk at all. Now this mechanization and the use of matter too much, has made us sort of matters ourself. We have become matter that we cannot live without it, it, yet we are so identified with it. After realization if you are still identified with the matter, then your realization slows down. So to, one has to understand, one has to understand fully that matter is absolutely secondary. Without of course getting your body you cannot receive realization, you have to have your body. But matter which is gross, is of no meaning. Subtle matter is all right for us, that’s important. Like this light, which is burning, is important. Water that is in the ocean is all right. The sky, open sky – say here it is not so good but if you go to a country is even better. The Mother Earth say example here, I don’t know how it is, but in India certain places Mother Earth is very much subtle, your material identifications. So matter has been identified with us, we have been using it, living with it and that’s why it is easy for us to get back into the same circle of matter. And we get into it, we pay attention more to it. Now if I say, “Do not pay attention to it more,” then you go on to another side, in a subtler way you jump into vices. Vices of – I can say uncleanliness, filth, dirt, mismanagement. So from one extreme to another extreme you go. Now in the center what is matter, we should understand, and we should try to then identify ourselves with our Spirit. Now what is matter? Let us find out. What is matter this. And what is created out of matter? Matter you know is made out of five elements. You know the five elements, which have made this body of ours. And these five elements are on the right-hand side of the human beings and these five elements either push you towards the left side or pull you towards the right side. I mean to say that when your start using the matter gradually you become lethargic. You become slave to it, it forms a habit. If you use a chair then you cannot sit on the ground. If you are used to a comfortable life, you cannot live in an uncomfortable life. Sort of it slaves you. Secondly, if you try to overpower the matter, getting overactive with matter, you make everything properly and make everything nicely and everything; you are over efficient with the matter, then your ego develops and when your ego develops you go into violence. Because if you produce more, you have to be violent about it otherwise you do not know how to sell it. You become, sort-of an aggressive businessman or a country, which tries to sell the matter, which tries to overpower other nations with their material advancement. With violence you go little further, then what becomes out of you is nothing but you become materialistic.And materialistic people have no heart. A materialistic person has no heart. He is just dried up. [10.02] He only understands money, money and money. He doesn’t go beyond it. So too much attachment to money is also materialistic, waste of money is also materialistic; mismanagement of money is the worst of all. So to be materialistic is your nature. You have started with it. That’s human nature to be materialistic because we have started with matter. But it is also the human nature to ascend. As it is natural to be a beast, it is more natural to be a Sahaj Yogi. So both things are part of the nature. Now which way you go is the thing. Now the ladder can take you up or can bring you down. If you have to go up your eyes should be upward. Now these five elements create what within you? They create the five chakras within you or you can say the six chakras are created out of these five elements. And these five elements, when they create the chakras then they also give us a support to have the deities’ aasana, a seat for the deities to come in. So they are important. But if you have to give a deity a seat, you do not give some sort of a filthy seat. You give a nice, the best seat, whatever is available, to the deity. So you must know that when you are using the matter, see the auspiciousness of it. You have to know the auspiciousness of things that you are using, whether it is auspicious or not. At random we buy clothes. At random we buy things. If you could use your vibratory awareness to buy your things to see what you should buy, what would look nice because beauty and auspiciousness goes hand in hand. They are not two things. Because beauty is a thing that gives joy to your Spirit, auspiciousness is the same, which gives joy to your Spirit. All other beauty is no beauty So for a Sahaj Yogi it is necessary to use all the matters, which are auspicious. Now auspicious matters, whatever are there, which are important matters must be kept at a higher level always. For example say My photograph, is very auspicious. Then you don’t put it on the ground, then don’t trample over it. In that also there are gradations of auspiciousness. But now your clothes because you are saints now, are very important. You are saints do you realize? Do you realize your self-esteem? You are saints now. What clothes you wear, you are not vagabonds. You are not tramps. You are not on the street. So you have to wear dignified dress. I have told everyone of you that, “Wear something dignified, not indignified.” It has to be majestic, because you are a saint now. You are no more a person running on the street, you are the selected saints by God. So the dress you wear need not be absurd or something funny but should give you dignity. Not any false but a real dignity. You see the vibrations of a dress. Wear your country’s dress. You need not wear somebody else’s dress or something, but the interest in the dress should be that it should give you dignity and a sense of respectability. It is to preserve your respect that you have to wear a dress. That is the utility of a dress. And now you go to another thing, anything that you are using, for example your house. Your house should be a house of cheerfulness, a house of dignity where people come in, they have comfort, they sit comfortably.But too much comfort is against Sahaj Yoga. But spartan also is not necessary that you do not have anything to spread on the ground or something. It should be comfortable. But it should not be comfort personified, because comfort creeps on you. Comfort is one thing is better for English people to avoid completely, is very good for them not to allow the body to get into comfortable positions. Specially bathroom addiction is too much in English people I have seen it. It is so much so I was so surprised that if I go supposing to a reception I can tell you whether it is owned by an Englishman or by somebody else. If it is owned by an Englishman, the bathroom will be done up very well, there will be towel for everything, soap for everything, I mean they are extremely particular. And immediately I know that it is done by some English gentleman, because they are very bathroom conscious. Though they do not take baths. I have seen houses with sixty bedrooms and no bath in England only. Now of course they have started. Bathing is not their quality. But bathroom – they are very particular. And even if you put an easy chair they wouldn’t mind sitting in a bathroom. And as far as bathroom is concerned one should just form such habits, that within ten minutes you should be out from the bathroom. Now when I say you have to take your baths, that doesn’t mean that early in the morning go and take a shower, it doesn’t mean that. You should take a bath at a time when you’ll have one hour before going out, but that also from auspicious point of view. Now you are saints, so use water as much as you can. Wash your hands ten times is very essential. To get your vibrations all right, you must wash your hands. But now in India there are people who wash their hands countingly sixty four times. And I always warn about the another side of it, like doctors go on washing their hands. In the same way, there are some people who go on washing their hands. You need not take out the skin out of your hands. But as many times as you wash your hands, it is a good thing. I mean you are saints but you are children. And I have to talk to you as to the children who are saints. It’s a big complication. While you are grown up people and sometimes you might feel hurt also, the way I have to tell you, but this is important that you have to understand that, “We are saints and as saints, what we have to do as far as the matter is concerned.” Now in a house there should be no dearth. Dearth is not the sign of a saintliness. Miserliness: dearth – you come to somebody’s house and you find a miserable beggary hole. That kind of a thing should not be. You must have proper plates, proper things or a broken plate somewhere, no. All these things should be clean, neat, maybe handmade, or even if you don’t get handmade, but they should be clean, auspicious. If you can get handmade things, nothing like it. That’s a very good idea if you can get hand made things and if you can use them it’s very good. I think we went to see Gandhiji’s ashram, didn’t we? You saw it was a simple place but very well done, everything. And that way Japanese are very good at these things; one has to learn a lot from them. You have to learn from so many people and because of Zen influence, the Japanese picked up the aesthetics of life. Very simple house they will have but everything very comfortable. And they know how to make the house look beautiful and how to make people feel comfortable. [Shri Mataji speaks aside] Matter is to be treated with respect because it is created by God. But whatever is respected is to be respected – not everything. Everything in the matter is not to be respected. For example, if you see some sort of a painting, which is, which is not auspicious, is not auspicious. You should refuse to see such a painting. You should avoid seeing such painting because it is not going to give you any joy, any happiness, nothing. It’s not going to work out. < Now one of the things which people always tell Me that in … “Sahaj Yogis do not have a presence.” This is a very important thing. The presence is done by matter. Now our presence, if it is not all right people can make it out. All things that are in us, if they become auspicious will have a presence. Wherever we’ll stand people will know there’s a presence. And this presence is a blessing of the matter to us. So you must respect matter in the sense what clothes you wear. Throwing clothes on the ground, throwing here and there, living like a donkey, like a pigsty, is not the way a Sahaj Yogi should live. He has to be orderly; he has to respect his clothes. But it should not be that you respect your clothes so much that you throw away others’ clothes. The others are Sahaj Yogis also. You have to respect each other because you are all saints. If you respect yourself you have to respect others. And once you start respecting the matter, which is the essence in you, that is attention. The essence of matter is attention. Attention gives you the presence. For example – recently Marie was with Me. While translating Me, she suddenly saw some flowers here and there, she started putting them right. It created a very funny situation. Everybody started seeing what’s matter with this woman? But now she’s understood it. And now I told her that, “When you are speaking you should say it with full concentration. Your attention, where is your attention?” If your attention is on money, even if I am talking about the highest things you’ll be thinking about money. If your attention is on something else, even if I am talking to something, you will be thinking of something else. That’s why our presence should be such that nobody’s attention is diverted or deluded. You understand My point? If your presence is funny, like a joker or a clown or a funny, untidy, everybody’s attention will be disturbed. If you are overly dressed also the attention will be disturbed. But if you are completely a presence then wherever you stand, people will feel there is somebody standing, great. The respect flows, actually respect flows. And it is something so remarkable that you don’t know how people try to help you then and how it works out. Your attention if it is dominated by matter, people can make it out. And that is one thing has to look after very clearly because these are countries who have advanced so much in material advancement. So what happens, every matter attracts your attention. You go on the street there’s this one woman is standing or there is something selling, this happening. All the time the attention … You see it is their job to attract your attention, otherwise how are they going to exploit you? See, they will have no justification. So they produce things, advertise things, to do in such a way to distract your attention. Now this is a force, which is acting against our attention. So as far as possible keep your attention straight, or on the Mother Earth. If you can control your attention, you can overcome your material domination. Now the best thing is to put attention to your Spirit. If you start putting your attention to Spirit, the sweetness of the Spirit itself will make the whole thing very sweet and beautiful. The attention should be in the Spirit. Even you are getting ready; keep the attention on the Spirit. Now it’s not difficult because Kundalini has reached that stage. Before realization if I had said it, then you would have said, “Mother, how to do it?” But now when you have got realization, try to bring your attention to Spirit. Means first when the Kundalini rises you start looking at the Spirit or you say when you get realization you see the Spirit. In the sense that the Spirit starts flowing through you, you start watching its flowing in this thing. But then after some time, you must enter into Spirit and [DEL: see,] see through the window of the Spirit, the whole thing by developing your witness Spirit. If you develop your witness state, from attention you become knowledge, the truth. Then material things become the knowledge; aesthetics of matter start giving you joy. You do not want to possess it, but they start giving you joy and even if you want to posses it, it would be just to enjoy it and give it away to somebody else. It’s like that. It’s for your enjoyment and you want to give it away to someone else. When you develop your witness state this will come to you that you will not keep things to yourself but you would like to give and share, sharing. That is the time you should know you have become a witness, because you are enjoying. Witness state is the state of Shri Krishna, of Virat. When you start sharing your things then it is a proper thing. Now the essence of puja is also how to overcome our material grossness. Puja is nothing but is how to overcome our material grossness. When we want to have a matter to ourselves, we must know that it is given to us by God. Everything belongs to God. Supposing we give flower to God, after all it is God’s own creation, what are we giving? We show light to God or do ‘aarti’ to God. What? It is all God’s light only, what do we do? But by showing light to God, what we do is to, we worship light within us. The light element gets enlightened within us. The light element is here on the Agnya. When you do aarti, or when you put light before God, when you show light to God, the light element within you gets enlightened. When you give flowers, Mooladhara gets enlightened. When you get honey, then your attention gets enlightened. So, why we give it to God, after all God doesn’t need anything. But God is the enjoyer. You are not the enjoyer, you cannot enjoy. Enjoyer is God. In you, when God is there that enjoys, that is the Spirit. So whatever pleases your Spirit is used in the puja to be given. Now you give rice – all these things are discovered – that you give rice to the Devi. Rice should be put in Her lap. Now what is rice, a little rice to a Devi? Is, by putting rice, in you the satisfaction of getting food or food that gives you satisfaction is enlightened. But that doesn’t mean you start showering things on Me, that doesn’t mean that. What I am trying to say, do it with dignity and understanding. That you give Me rice. Now, rice giving – these people don’t understand why rice is to be given to God? After all, why give Him palm leaves? What is He going to do? If Christ was the Son of God. What was the use of putting palm leaves for Him? Or to give Him oil, oil bath or to rub His feet with oil? It is for you to get the advantage. Now in Sahaj yoga it is proved now. When you rub My feet, you feel better, not Me. You rub My hands, you feel better. When you fall at My feet, you feel better. She, she is a great – what was, what is, what were you doing? Lady: Reflexology. Shri Mataji: Reflexology. Big name, ah? Reflexology. And she is supposed to know about the feet and things like that. One day she said, “Mother I want to come and massage Your feet. I know this and all that.” So I said, “All right, come along.” So she came to rub My feet. Instead of I feeling, becoming relaxed, she was becoming relaxed. The more she was rubbing she was getting relaxed. So you see when you do for God, the blessings comes to you. You are blessed. Whatever is the problem with you, you give to God to solve. Also whatever satisfies you, you give to God. The satisfaction comes to you. Now, these flowers when you give it to Me, Mooladhara. They give you two things, Swadishthana and Mooladhara. Flowers that’s why are very important. They give Swadishthana, if the flowers are beautiful, then they give Swadishthana and if they are fragrant they cure your Mooladhara. Now, I mean there is no end to flowers also. But think about it, that you are doing it to improve your chakras. Then other things that are used like say ghee. Ghee is used. It is for Vishuddhi. Shri Krishna is very fond of ghee and butter. So when you rub My feet with say butter, your Vishuddhi will improve, you know that. Not Mine, I have no problem. I have only one problem that you are within Me and when you have problem I have problems. Because these vibrations have to go to you. So I prepare vibrations here as an antidote and they have to flow. It’s a very subtle thing to understand. To move from gross to Spirit, this is the thing by which you move, because first you enlighten your chakras. By enlightening your chakras, your deities get happy, prasanna. By making the deities happy, you keep; get a passage for the Kundalini to pass through. By making the passage for the Kundalini, the Kundalini goes up and then your attention starts becoming one with the Spirit. It is step by step, you move from matter to subtler matter, from subtler matter to your chakras, from chakras to deities, from deities to the Spirit. Then Spirit enjoys itself. So there you do not have to do anything. Just give your Spirit to Spirit. That’s why these things were prescribed. Now people could not see this linkage. They thought that, “Why should we give anything to God? After all it is all His own.” The argument started. “Why should we put lights? There is no need.” But this is an escape. Where are you, at what stage? You are at a stage; you are at a stage where you have to detach yourself from matter. Same with Sahaj Yoga, I find it that you must understand the complete vision of Sahaj Yoga. It’s a very big thing you are doing. You are not small. You are doing a very great work, because it is “the” solution of all the humanity. This is the solution of all the problems, whether political, economic or anything, whatever you call it. Is not only that but the more people you have, you will be surprised, I’ll work out much better. Collectively I can cure cancer if you are more, if you are clear people. But your channels are so full of problems that nothing flows through you. If you get yourself cleared out, collectively I can stop cancer spreading, because if you spread more vibrations, what happens that the left and right side in Virat becomes clearer and the attack from the left and right side which creates cancer, all these horrible diseases, will be less. Because there will be less. But you do not understand your responsibility what you are doing. You are playing into the hands of satanics. By not paying attention to your cleaning, by not paying attention to your spiritual growth, you are not helping Me at all because these vibrations do not flow out. They have to flow through you. If I could manage them there was no need for Me to run after you. It has to flow through you, you are the channels and if you do not keep yourself clean and humble and meek about it, it doesn’t work out. You are not helping Me at all by that. So the localized problem of yours limited problems, should be given up and see to the bigger problems that you’ll be solving. I can stop the happening of cancer completely if I have twenty-one thousand Sahaja Yogis.Completely, Cancer will go out of … leprosy I can control. Cancer already I am controlling, but it’ll go down, collectively also. I mean the statistics I’ve not seen but will go down. It’s a left side attack and the more you try to go to left side there will be more attacks. Right side attacks are also lots of these wars. All these wars and all these things take place because we are invaded from the right side. All these aggressive people like Hitler and all that are aggressing us. How much it is necessary for you to rise above your lower self. One should understand that and not to indulge into nonsense that you are doing. You have to really work hard for that. Even if you have to get up early in the morning, you have to get up and do it. You should understand your responsibilities, that’s the main point is. People are now busy only doing jobs, working here, how much money you get, how much do you go, when do you go to job and all that. That’s not important for us. Now that doesn’t mean you give up your jobs and be a liability on the ashram, it doesn’t mean that! It means you do your jobs, have money, money is needed for the work. I need money, you know that how much money we need for all this work. You have taken such a big project of going to Europe having this little money. It’s not possible. But we are doing it somehow. So, we need money, you have to earn, you have to give; you have to give money. Here people are, they are not even willing to give ten pounds. Such people. With them where am I going to do Sahaj Yoga? We are so attached to money in a subtler way. We do not understand we have to give money and we have to do it up. Not only money, money’s not the only solution; we have to be ourselves channels. But then some people have money, then they are exploited in a wrong way and the money’s all wasted. This is precious money, this is auspicious money, this money goes into the right hands into right places. Problems are created because of that. Now this money I do not need, you know that very well. But for your own betterment you have to give money. Ask Gavin he’ll tell you. He’s a very generous man and he, he found it very good. It’s not that I need a single pai from you. On the contrary I am willing to spend My own money on things, you know that definitely. But, you must understand this work has to be done, so you need money. I need not tell you that you have to pay money. I have never said this to Indians, I have never told them. They have never given Me a problem you’ll be amazed. How they solve their problems God alone knows. They are not the people of money. There’s never a quarrel about money. Nobody talks about money, nobody tells Me anything, nothing of the kind. Nobody oppresses anyone or mishandles anyone or controls anyone, everybody does so well. Money is not with one person. Say about two, three people handle it. Everybody knows how much money they are taking. This one part is important. For solving this problem you give Me rice. It’s called as “Oti bharne,” that you give Me rice I beg of you, actually. You put it in My sari. Rice, you give Me five times, I give you seven times back. That’s the symbol. You know how symbols work out. Even when you say, “Mother are you the Holy Ghost?” it works out, it gives you realization. If there is somebody so alert and sensitive sitting before you, you must know how to do the symbols, how to do them properly, with full maturity, understanding, in the proper way. You are very anxious to do the puja, but do you understand, before the puja always there’s a quarrel going on. Somebody who is a very possessed person will come, to begin with, and everybody will start fighting. Imagine! You must take your bath, “What are you doing?” In the morning don’t talk to anyone. Be in hush condition. You are in for opening out to the great power, which is going to solve the problem of the world. So you cleanse yourself, you wash yourself; you cleanse yourself, so that you get your chakras evolved. People talked against it because they became only ritualistic, mechanical; matter became very important. Then only doing these things became important. But not now, you people are different. You are realized souls. That doesn’t mean that you should take to sanyasa or anything. You should, I’ve told you, you should live like normal people, but a very dignified people. Nothing of indignity, childishness, superfluousness or joker-like, clown-like, outstandingly funny, all these dresses should not be worn. You should be properly dressed in a way that you have a presence. I mean this is to a children I am telling you. You must have a presence of grown up Sahaja Yogis, You are all saints. You know such a lot even many saints do not know. You can go and ask so many of them. There’s one thing they know that I am that. That’s one thing you do not know. They know that. This is a big difference. Because I am easily available to you, you do not understand. For them I am great. As I told you yesterday that how these saints have recognized and they have sent people to help Me. In saintliness only, your recognition of Me is poor. Because if it was not, you would not be shouting in My presence, quarrelling in My presence. You give Me headaches, you tell Me things, which you should not tell Me. “He knocked at my door,” somebody tells Me. He says “he came there, he did this,” another tells Me. You should not talk like this to Me. You are materially again bound by talking. From where does the talk come from? Vishuddhi. Talk comes from Vishuddhi, but it starts from, the whole vani, the whole sound starts from much below. So, to raise it higher there are stages of this sound coming in. And when it becomes madhyama, is in the heart, in the heart region where it just throbs, you do not feel the throbbing. Then it comes here. Here it becomes vaikhari. Then it becomes pashyanti means it sees, it just sees. Then it becomes Para, where it becomes just silent in the aweness of the presence. We have to develop those things. But we do not understand that all these things are our attributes, which we have to enlighten and rise. And make every part, every petal of our being beautiful. If you start understanding these small, small things, which are very important because I am talking of very big things. But even a small thing can close your eyes completely. It’s a very big vision I have, very big vision. And that vision can be done through you people. You do not think that you are ordinary. Otherwise I would never have chosen you. But you have no recognition of yourself also, as you have no recognition of Me. You have to recognize yourselves and respect yourself. Do not respect material things, respect yourself first of all and the matter within you. If [side 1 & 2 overlap in this paragraph] you move that way I think you’ll understand better what I am saying. The body of a human being is a temple of God. But this temple has to be enlightened and has to be auspicious. You have to clear and clean your being completely so it’s a beautiful temple for God to reside there. But we deceive ourselves, you see? When I am talking, you listen to Me and you think that “Oh, Mother talked very sweetly, beautifully,” finished. But nothing goes inside. Why? Because of lethargy. Lethargy is a thing, which is a barrier. It doesn’t allow Me to go inside you. It’s a barrier. It’s very sweet thing, which smiles, just you see thinking, “Oh, Mother is saying something nice, it’s very great,” it gives you happiness and all that, but it doesn’t go inside, you do not imbibe. And that’s why, try to put your attention to yourself and feel your dignity and honor. Feel your presence that you have to have a presence and when I tell to some people, they’ll say, “I know, Mother, I know I do that.” Then why do you do it? That means you are possessed. You are a possessed person that you know this is wrong, still you are doing it. Then you are a possessed person. Then is better you beat yourself with shoes. But that stage should go now, I don’t like you to beat yourself with shoes, I mean are you that, that level? But the level is such still. And your presence is the one that should give Prasannata, is the cheerfulness to others. Others should feel cheerful in your company. A presence is something, which you can understand. A presence has prudence. It understand how to behave in a particular thing. It is not imprudent like it won’t rush to a thing. It won’t jump on to a thing. If somebody is talking you just do not become absolutely dominating on that. When you talk, you do not talk in a way that is dramatic or sort of theatrical; or neither you talk in a way that is lunatic-like or something like that. Presence has its own balance in the center and that presence must be maintained. Presence is very important and just see yourself: are you having a presence? Some people are very good Sahaj Yogis, but they have no “go,” they have no dash, at all. They receive things, they see things, they should have a dash. They have to tell people, but in a way that is congenial, that is sweet, that is beautiful, that works is the point. If it does not work, what’s the use? Now again I am going for seventeen days. Really seventeen days I’ll be out. I miss you all very much and I feel concerned so much, because you have to still grow quite a lot. I feel that among you there is no understanding of collectivity. A very irritable people; you get irritable with each other, how can you? You are all saints. You must respect each other; you must love each other, talk sweetly to each other. You are all saints! A saint meets another saint, how does he meet? Have you seen anytime, a real saint meeting another real saint? You should see. You do not look like that. The first proof is this. Are you really saints or not. He has gone to India, how they met you? Yogi: Take really hold of me. Shri Mataji: See? Yogi: I couldn’t believe him … Shri Mataji: How they meet each other! They’ll hug each other and they enjoy each other’s company. They laugh at jokes and understand it is such a congenial thing. Nobody thinks, “I am right.” Nobody thinks like that. Once you start thinking, “I am right and that person is wrong.” “I am doing all right, he’s wrong,” finished. They enjoy themselves so much just like one wave it moves, you see? They are all the time laughing, enjoying you know, loudly. They help each other such a lot. It’s absolutely worth seeing that. While we had only five or six people to begin with, in [INDIAN PLACE NAME, SOUNDS LIKE: Nilambar,] from London. One better than the other. They are all fighting, quarrelling and they used to come up to beating. Can you believe it? This was happening. So shameful I tell you and everybody was coming and telling, “What sort of Sahaj Yogis you have got, Mother? Are they Sahaj Yogis, really?” Arguing and doing this and doing that. All sorts of things were on and they would not inform Me the whole of it, but part of it would come to Me. I was so ashamed. Ask Malcolm. They used to, I mean they would break each other’s heads there. This was the condition. Can you believe it? While you would never find any Sahaj Yogis doing that, never, in India. I have not seen anyone. Anybody who tries to be funny goes out, immediately out of circulation. There’s no group-forming, nobody fights with anybody, nothing. And everybody was surprised how strange these people were, one better than the other. They were very irritable, hot-tempered, fighting and all that. They were so surprised that how can there be. Give you an example here of Chhaya, see. Despite, she’s quite shocked; but she doesn’t know how to really beat things, meet. People are so criticizing, so this thing, but she’s trying to keep the balance. She’ll be always at the back. She’s never in the forward, when it comes to work she’ll be the first to do it. She takes up responsibilities. This is what happened last time. It’s not only lethargy, it is worse than that. In lethargy, you see it is a devil’s mind, and when you come out of lethargy you just come to blows. But as it is in India, I’ve not seen people coming to blows, I really tell you. Very seldom you’ll find people coming to blows. I mean, people never even talk loudly or in a temper, never. Now normally people are very quiet type. Then Sahaj Yogis, Oh! You should see how they enjoy. Oh! The girls and boys and every one, the way they enjoy. Love seeing them. You must try to enjoy each other. Now the worst thing that can happen to human beings is ego. Worst thing, possession is better, at least you feel the pinch of it. But ego you never feel the pinch. It is you never feel that there is ego in you and you think you are the most correct person, you are the best person and the temper shows here in the nose. I can see the “haw-haw,” nose coming up like that. Such ego, such ego, and this ego Indians have also picked up from you. Those who have come in contact with you, you see, as the dog when he comes in contact with human being learns many things, in the same way Indians who have come in contact with you people have picked up ego and we can see the difference. But in simple villages people try to be nice, congenial, good. How – by understanding auspiciousness. An auspicious presence is soothing, comforting, absorbing, beautiful. And this, how do you develop? You should do little aarti to My photograph is a good idea. Now when you do the aarti also, somebody is shouting at the top of his voice. He’s trying to lead others. Then another trying to lead others, this should not be. There should be some, homogeneous, I can make it out, there’s no rhythm. Sing in the same tone, same style, try to make it one, one, concord should be there. In a humble way, in joyous way that we all are singing, all our hearts are singing. All of us are here to do it. So many of us are… feel that joy, we are so many. And it has a very bad effect on others when they see you this way. I mean anybody would be shocked. Why in India it is spreading, because they see that love between the people. Now of our attention if you take it to the Spirit you’ll feel the collectivity. Attention should be, as I told you yesterday, find out how many times you have talked nicely to others and how many times have you have been quarrelling. If somebody says even a harsh word just keep quiet. Do not feel bad, it’s all right, it comes and goes. Now some people are negative in the sense that they are on the left hand side and some people are negative because they are on the right hand side. Sometimes these combinations work very well. When a dominating man tries to dominate a left handed person, they are great friends, nothing like it. Because one dominates and another takes the domination. As soon as the left hand side person becomes little on the center or tries to come to the right, the dominating ones starts clashing. Then they are the worst enemies of each other. It happens like that, so be on the alert. Now a person who is on the negative on the left side, should try to come in the center and in the same way a person who is on the right side should come to the center. Now how do you do it? Which is the way we can do it? Let us see it. A person who is very much on the right hand side should try to become friendly with the left hand side and left hand side person should try to be friendly with the right hand side, supposing. Let us start like this. So what is the give and take in this thing? The person who is on the right hand side will be better organizer, may be, may not be. At least will be a better orator or maybe a better sort of a leader, may be, may not be, you can’t say. He may be the one who will suggest things and who will bring out things, who will say “I’ll do this; I’ll do–” sort of thing, maybe. The left hand person will be frightened but will be humble, more loving, more affectionate. He’ll be much more at the command of others. This one will be commanding and the other will be receiving the command. This will be there. Now how do we solve the problem of this mixture, you see? The one who is very much on the ego side should try to obey the person who is on the left hand side. And on the left hand side should try to command more on the right hand side person and should be accepted. They, it should be mutually understood, there should be a contract. “All right, I am an ego oriented person and you are superego oriented, now let us do one thing. You try to dominate me and I’ll try to obey you.” It will work out. It’s a psychological style. You just work it out. Try somebody who is a left sided person to dominate you. But rather difficult to get left sided people here. They are very few, because I believe some people were left sided, but when it comes to ego they are worst than anybody else, you see? So rather difficult, but you can have a person who is left sided and let ten/an? ego oriented ask him to dominate. Till he develops his ego, he’s all right. If he develops ego stop it. But with complete understanding, watching yourself, how you develop, how far you go – a play should go on. Play with yourself. But if you are identified with yourself that “I am always right, and nobody is right,” nothing can work out. I can tell you this much. Because if you are perfect I need not waste My words here. So the best way is to do this sort of a thing, “All right you order and I’ll do. Come along let’s see what do you think? Let you organize and we’ll do it. You tell us how to do it.” So he will use your heart and you will use your attention, it will work out very well. The combination will be good. Let us decide to improve ourselves and not to feel bad about it. We have to improve a lot and a lot and a lot, because the relationship between you seems to be so bad. It’s like cancer – absolutely cancer. It is malignant. So try to see your ego and if it’s a… now even people if you have told them that somebody says you should say “I’m sorry,” they’ll not say like that. They’ll say sarca… “Aha, I am sorry,” or something like that. They’ll say in a sarcastic way so that sorry also has no meaning. All right, all right don’t say anything. This is not the way. You should say, “See yourself. So this ego has come. Now please tell me something else, I’ll do it.” Christ washed the feet of His disciples. Just think of that. And that’s what a sensible Sahaj Yogi does. He washes the feet of another disciple. If you remember Aradhna, my granddaughter, when you people came to My house. There were I think about eight or ten of them. She got a small bucket; she washed each and everybody’s feet. Every time she would take it back to the bathroom throw it away, again fill it up bring it with great Spirit. She was five years. She had not completed her five years and she would wash everybody’s feet, wipe them, again put back. She did for everybody and then after that she came on My feet and then she said “I’m not going to look at anybody, I’m going to run away now I have done my job,” and she went away. Aradhna is of a very high quality Sahaj Yogini she is, very high quality. But she thought that this is the best way of washing their feet is showing the essence of collectivity. “Some part of me is not all right, let me clear it.” For example if you think of Me and you, you will understand how much I work hard on you. Why? Because I love you very much and you are My part and parcel. If you are not all right I’m not going to be all right. If you consider then, you will never think somebody is lower than you. Is better to wash the feet of someone than to wash your own feet, will be a good idea. Put down your ego every time. Mohammad Sahib used this method. But best was used by Nanaka: He said, “Let all the Sikhs do some seva.” They have to, as a punishment they have to do some seva. So, what is a seva when there is a group? Somebody has to sit down. Even one guru, very big guru, had to clean the shoes of all the people who came for the program. He was given polish, brush and everything – very recently he was punished to clean the shoes of the people who came round. He was supposed to wash their clothes, wash their things, as a punishment. Anybody who is arrogant should do it. Anybody who quarrels or fights should do it. Anybody who is blunt should do it. And it worked, it works. They are supposed to wash their clothes, they are supposed to wash their feet, rub their feet, give them a massage and feel better. In India if you see, all the Sahaj Yogis are working on each other’s chakras. But here nobody will accept even that you have these chakras caught up. Have you seen that? Everyday they are working, cleaning everybody’s, they’ll say, “Baba, clean my chakra,” they’ll say. Then when they do it they say “Thank you, you’ve cleaned mine.” And then they helped them, they rub their hands, feet because you have done so much work for them. This is not done here. I would like to see more mutual understanding, mutual love, mutual attraction for each other, should look forward to each other. Try to help each other than to criticize. I hate to hear any criticism of anyone from any one of you. But when it gets, goes too much is better to tell Me. But you must judge yourself, “What are we doing for others?” Some people think, “As long as we keep quiet it’s all right.” It’s not the point. Try to be nice, give some presents, talk to them and there are so many ways of expression of your love to them. Give sometimes flowers, try to find out what are the likes and dislikes of the person is, is very good idea. Do not do things that people do not like, sometimes you see. It’s better not to do it. What is the use? If the relationships are spoilt, not to do those things. Just find out what you don’t like. A simple thing: my husband doesn’t like Me to put flowers in the hair. But in Maharashtra all the married women are supposed to put the flowers in the hair, that’s a custom. But because of I’ve married him, he doesn’t like because in their community, only bad women put flowers in the head; I have never put flowers in My head. Only when it is a special puja or they tie up – in Maharashtra, there I agree. But I never make a bun and put a thing. It’s all right, if he doesn’t like it why do it? Unnecessary to increase all the clashes and the problem. Don’t do anything that people do not like you to do. Try to avoid, it creates problems. Try to do something that pleases others. Let us see if you have devised this method how to please. If you please others, your deities will be very happy, because they are all one, within you, within her, within her, they are all one. And they feel happy, because they’re all related to each other, and they feel unhappy when you try to be unkind to each other, because they are one. If this is worked out, properly, understandingly, all of you are going to be great saints. I see your image in future also. Of some of you are going to be very, very great and some of you are going to take it up. It’s a, it’s a project launched. Launch a project against yourself, towards yourself, building up yourself. How sweet you are going to be others, let’s have it. Talk to others. Some people just don’t talk, I have seen they are all the time …[SILENCE]; they will have very bad Vishuddhi. You must talk; you must be nice you must be open-hearted. This Yugoslav girl is very open–hearted, I like her for that reason. She has a big heart. Talk with a big heart, open! No secretiveness and this cold, what is it called, English manner? Yogini: Aloof? Shri Mataji: Aloof? Yogini: When you keep yourself above people. Shri Mataji laughs: Aloof. I think there must be some English special word for this thing. The way they are cold you know. When you sit…. Other yogini: Stiff upper lip, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ha? Several yogis: Stiff upper lip … Upper lip. Shri Mataji: Upper lip? Upper lip, not so much upper lip. There need not be upper lip, could be pride. [Yogi’s laugh and one make an indistinct comment at which Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: That kind of a presence is here, [INDISTINCT: DOUR,] which is specialty of English also, isn’t it? You go in a train, they just don’t talk. I mean they don’t allow you to talk, they freeze you with silence. They can’t see people laugh, smile or joke, anything a …[SILENCE] and you don’t know what to do with them. Newspaper they will read only all the way, and they will fold it and read it. But they know each and everything about you. Yogini: Could it be called “insular.” Shri Mataji: Insular. Ah yes! And is a very dangerous thing for Sahaj Yogis. The one who becomes insular is in for trouble. Is in for trouble, insular. You know why, because you are left alone, you’ll be attacked. Be together. All these bhoots also know you are insular. They’ll attack you. By any chance you try to become unique, they’ll attack you. Even some people become, by talking too much also they can become insular, unique; you sit on top of everybody else. Better be with everyone, is better. Be one with everybody, congenial. Take a joke from others. Other are joking with you, you should not get angry. If somebody joking with you, “Oh! Shut up.” Like that one should not do. Take a joke, be a sport. English language has one very good quality that they can laugh at themselves, you see. All the language has found out ways and methods of how to laugh at yourself, that’s something beautiful about English language. I don’t think any language has so many words to express these odd situations, which are very, very embarrassing you see. You can only brand them and by branding them, you know where you are. You exactly know what medicine is needed for this. You see it is like that. It’s just branding, “Oh this is it,” and it’s very interesting to watch these things in the society and everywhere. Which is described, even Charles Dickens, now example, at that time he found out these things and he said it. And I mean the description of all these things is so beautifully done in the literature that you are amazed how people had a capacity to see themselves, the society as it is and to de… Characterization of people: how characters are built up you see and how it becomes a social problem. It’s beautifully done and that’s the wisdom. That’s the real wisdom of British, I tell you. I mean you may lose it if you start getting dominated by nonsensical ideas, but otherwise that wisdom you have innate. I mean to have a person like Shakespeare itself shows what? I mean you are a country of great people. How can that be? Where some, they are not “some,” there are quite a lot of them and you are going to be the wisest because you have the advantage of their creation. On top of, you have got advantage of your creation. Then/that? you belong to a great country like that. Imagine the whole country is getting into the mire of lethargy, who is going to save this country? You people. So again and again it is against lethargy and whatever is lethargy is anti Christ, is anti God, is anti Mataji. Try to become cheerful and blissful, happy, dignified, sensible, sweet. It’s not too many things, is very few, it’s only one. And I know we are going to enjoy life very much. You are going to be very happy people. Take out your tempers from your heads first of all, the angers you see and to say, “I got very angry.” Means what? Why did you get angry? To be proud of your anger and temper and your irritations! It will be very beautiful I am sure. You are growing up, but the growth becomes little dwarfed with these nonsensical things, you know. So you have to protect your growth from these things as we protect a small plant from say frost falling on a plant. It’s like that. Frost is nothing compared to the plant, because plant is growing, but the frost can kill it and that’s how you do not make it a frost. Be cheerful. People come up and they go down. I’ve seen people come up and then they go down. Try to look after yourself. [27:35 side B] [Extra 19 min on reviewers tape:] Now after seventeen days I am going to come and see you very beautifully developed and all the time My attention is on you, I work on you all the time. And I’m much more intimate with you than with anybody else, because these people see Me only for two days and then they started crying! They’re lost. But I see you so much, more than even Indians. Is Paul there? Paul has come? Yogi: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: Yes. Hm. Paul, what happened? Paul: I want to get a message to, from the people of India… Shri Mataji: Ha? Paul: …Apart from the – the people of India send their love. But one of the Sahaj Yogis in india has become very ill. Shri Mataji: Who? Paul: Professor [INDISTINCT: Manneh] in Rahur. Shri Mataji: I know. But why did you get angry with Dhumal? Paul: Dhumal? By that time I’d really, I’d had enough of seeing in India the way that there’s two classes of people in India: those who have a lot of money and those who– Shri Mataji: And what about in this country? Paul: Well it’s the same deal in this country, but the people in this country who don’t have a lot of money, at least they have bare necessities of life. You know like a roof over their heads. Shri Mataji: You went there to do Sahaj Yoga or to do these things? You see, what I’m saying, where was your attention? Now you knows, Dhumal has given realizations to ten thousand people. And he’s your elder brother, you should respect him. He has a servant, because in India the situation is different. If he gives up his servant, he’ll have no food to eat. It’s not that everybody use brain. You see this is one thing in this country people do not realize. If you use, you work much harder than his servant, do you know that? Because your brain never stops. His servants works with his hand he doesn’t think! His energy goes to his hands, he rests also. You see here the idea is if somebody’s working with the hand, it’s cruelty. But what about this brain? The amount of brain you use all the time – now tell me, you cannot stop your thinking, all right? Now see My servant, though he works hard, he’s much more relaxed than My husband is. My husband doesn’t do even lifting a, say lifting a glass. All right? And what happens, that one can say that this man is a lazy fellow, he’s enjoying everything in life, he’s enjoying all the comfort while the servant is not. But My servant is, in a way, is doing his handwork, because that’s all he can do; his brain is not that developed. And he has much more rest than My husband has. He’s much more relaxed. Somebody is the hand, somebody is the feet and somebody’s the head. But if you do work with your head, is the same. Now if you are doing work with your head, you have to have certain amount of comfort to your body, otherwise even if you have to suffer on your body – of course I do not say that servants should be ill-treated by any chance, that should not be done – but… And nobody gives your money to anybody else like that. You see he’s paid for it and he does the work with his hands so you can see it. But what about the brain part, do you see the brain how it works? I wish you could have a microscope to see how the brain works, and all the chakras, “cutcutcutcut-cutcutcutcut” going on. One thought itself is a dynamite and you cannot stop it, ask him. Yesterday his thought going on like a machine! There’s a machine here working out. So, this happens and then one should understand that when you go to any country, you are a guest there… He was very unhappy and he wrote a very sad letter to Me and that was not good. You didn’t want him to be unhappy, you w– Paul indistinctly: What if I write? Shri Mataji: Ha? Dhumal? Paul: We didn’t have an argument. Shri Mataji: Ha? Paul: I didn’t have an argument. Shri Mataji: You didn’t have what? Paul: I told him what I felt. Shri Mataji: Ha? Paul: I told him what I felt, I just went, I just… you know the most, quite a lot of places in India. And– Shri Mataji: You, what did you feel? Paul: Well I felt that if somebody’s telling me how many houses they’ve got and how many houses they’re buying, when their servant doesn’t have a roof over his head, when the roof leaks and the children– Shri Mataji: Now, supposing, here people have so many houses which are lying empty, here, in England. Do they give their houses to you people? Do they? Is there any way? How many people you should give also, is there any system by which you should give? See that is not Dhumal’s problem, is the problem of the government. Dhumal has houses, he has given a huge big fort to us as a present to Sahaj Yoga. If he gives a house free to his servant, I think he will make him a parasite out of him. Do you know in India, beggars have got big, big buildings? Do you know that fact? Some of the buildings on Marine Drive are owned by people who are professionally beggars. So if you see some problem it has so many deeper roots, which you do not see. But, you just write a letter of apology to him. I was hurt, very much, because he, he has done such a tremendous job. He is going to give a huge big place to us for Sahaj Yoga. Nobody has been able to do that so far. He has given Me ten thousand people as Sahaj Yogis. And when you people say, “I felt,” what is this “I,” what is this “I”? I know you have a very sympathetic heart, but sometimes you are swayed by it. Sympathetic heart, to a point is good. It should be prudent heart, it should not be unwise. You must know the sense of proportion. I mean that’s a system in India, which is working, but you cannot do without servants. Here also. What is happening to you, without servants, you are all intelligent people, why you live in a mess, in pigsties? Because you are using your brains, you don’t know how to use your hands. All these communistic ideas are of no use. People have to do some sort of a job, this job or that job. There’s nothing wrong. Some people who can do brain job, have to do brain job, those who have to do handwork has to do handwork. Of course there should not be much disparity in their living, I agree, but that’s not his problem, is the problem of the whole country. But I tell you even to servants I have seen, you give them something… There was a lady nurse, you see? Once I was rather sick so she used to come and see Me and help Me a little bit. So I thought just as a favor I must do something to her. So I sent her by our ship to sea, I said “Let her have a holiday, she’ll be all right.” So I sent her to Africa. I mean the problems are much deeper than you understand. I sent her to Africa. You know, she came back and she started telling the doctor off. She thought she has become the doctor. And the doctor told Me, “Why did you do it?” They get into imbalances. You see, even to poor persons, if you give them something like that, they go into imbalances. I’ll give you another very concrete example. My husband, who is very socialistic in his approach, and is a good thing, so what he did, was to increase the pay of the drivers. You see the drivers started getting one thousand Rupee, which was very, very big amount. And the lowest clerk gets about say twelve hundred. So there was a very little disparity. Now the driver’s getting one thousand Rupees, was too much. Within six months their wives came to Me. They said, “This was a very wrong thing he did to our husbands. They have got keeps now; they have started drinking; they have started not giving any money to us.” So to poor people if you give them more money, they do not know how to use it, they will be drinking. Poor people drink much more than the rich people. So they had to be trained how to use money. You just give them money is no use. You do not understand the deeper… thing… People are to be brought up properly. Like we have got in India Schedule Caste – I agree Schedule Caste is a nonsense, it should not be there, you should not treat somebody as a lower caste, is all right. But what they have brought into now, suddenly, that Schedule Caste must have equal seats, equal rights in every job and everything, whether they are qualified or not. So you have got people who are not qualified, or even in exams, in the colleges, you must have so many Schedule Caste. Now what has happened, by doing this kind of a top-heavy work, some muck has come up, and they are absolutely useless people, they cannot do administration. Instead of that, what Ghandiji had said, that, “Train them up, educate them, bring them up.” Suddenly the educated people are there and some people suddenly, uneducated, nothing, brought to that, they cannot bear it. Now we had a servant with us who came to Me, who was a – you must be knowing him, Paramshivam – who came down here. And he used to, he was getting hardly hundred Rupees there, we gave him a big pay and everything, when he came here he started misbehaving. Then his mother, when I wrote to them that, “He’s misbehaving, I don’t know what to do. He has developed all bad habits.” He was buying pornography pictures here, going to the pub, then having girlfriends and doing all sorts of things, he started here. So when I wrote to his mother, what his mother wrote to Me is very interesting to read. She said, “Those people who live in mud, if they have to sleep on a bed, it hurts them. So suddenly giving them something materially is not going to improve him. You have to train them up. You do not know what problems there are of poverty. Poverty is just like leprosy. Leprosy: you know what the leprosy parasites eat? They eat petrol; they thrive on petrol. So gross it is. And then, you being an Englishman should not have said it, because English are responsible for the poverty of India, you like it or not. They have created this problem for us, we didn’t have this problem before. Our servants were part and parcel of our house. They treated us just like slaves, so we have got this idea from them.How they treated us! I must say Dhumal was very decent not to say this to you, but this is what it is. The way they treated us in India, you have no idea. Even till yesterday we had “White Clubs” where Indians were not allowed on our own soil! When we were independent, and they’re fighting for it. They killed thousands of people, raped so many woman there. “We English” should not say that, in that country were we have ruled and made them slaves. You see they did not allow us to come up. What are you doing to foreigners here who are coming up? How you treat them? What racialism you have here compared to what we have in India, we have no racialism. They treated you with such great respect. They should have said, “You are white, so ‘racialism,’ all right we’ll ill-treat you.” But if you go to Africa they will teach you. Africans, West Indies – they are on top of you. What I’m saying, to break the vicious circle try to understand the problem of every country. From where does this problem come to India, and to most of the countries who are underdeveloped. The French, they dominated also many countries. This is also, one should understand that we should not dominate any more. We should wash their feet, that’s what it is. Now you have killed the culture of all the Africans and Africans have taken to all French and English culture. Absolutely, they have prostitutes the same way you have, they have the women the same way you have; their ideas of liberation’s the same, only the Indians have resisted you. Otherwise everywhere you have never respected anybody’s culture or anything. You have to face it. If you go to South America, you’ll be shocked the way people have wiped out all the… all the people who lived there; all of them, one and all. Except for Colombia, can you imagine? Every country, every soul has been wiped out. Just see that. Of course if he was ill-treating him I can understand, but he doesn’t ill-treat. These ideas are Western ideas; they’re applicable to you people, not to Indians. And this is the big mistake people are doing is to put your ideas onto us. For example in field reforms, you see? My son-in-law is a very enlightened fellow, he had twenty-five miles, square miles of area of his own. But he used to get his labor from all these areas, he used to provide them everything, he used to pay them very well; they were living very well. Suddenly the idea came, “No. They must have their own land holdings,” all right – without understanding that they are to be trained, they are to be brought up, they are not educated, there must be communication – so everybody was given a one patch here and a one patch there and a one patch there and a one patch there. What happened, that they started getting strangulated in those areas. There was no way of communication to them, they could not get their wheat, they could not get their seeds, they could not do anything, they started starving. And they came to My son-in-law that, “You come forward, you are the one who was the agency in between and you should have done it.” But they removed the agency and without training these people. Ghandiji suggested these things. He said that, “You must enlighten the rich people and you must also try to emancipate these people by education, by making them understanding,” and all that. There is a huge, areas in India, which are called as “Backward Areas,” where these aboriginals live. They do not believe in any sedentary habits, they are like, what you call the gypsies. So what they do, these people plough their fields and all that, and they come in the night and plunder it. And they live like that. And they have been living like this and they feel very happy about it. They second is this (?), the so-called poor of India. You must see how leprosy grows also. They started in Maharashtra a scheme by which they said, “We will provide you jobs and otherwise we’ll give you a dole.” Now this is the worst thing that can happen to anyone; that we have realized very soon, I hope they have withdrawn it. So they what they did – Indians as it is they are very cunning and clever – so what they did they would go and write their names as the people who are doles, getting doles, you see? And they would work somewhere and get the dole as well, double money. Then they would go and drink. What are these people doing, but to drink? It’s such a problem, prohibition; they, they drink iodine, they drink, what you call this… What do you eat, drink for this thing, it’s some sort of sulphuric acid or some sort of an acid they drink? I don’t know? Various yogis: Meths… Methylated Spirits. Shri Mataji: Methylated or whatever... [laughs] I don’t know! I don’t understand. So, you see they are so foolish, what I am saying that taking up anything like that at random is not good.And I was sorry because his wife wrote to Me, “How much they have done for Sahaj Yoga.” The only solution is Sahaj Yoga. There’s no other solution, which he has helped Me a lot.“You see,” and he was very sorry he said that, “How am I to do without servants?” You see the servant system is like that. If he gives roof to everyone he’ll be left with no house. There’s not done, this kind of generosity’s not done anywhere. If there was such an agency like that, which was doing such a work, it is possible.Even the so called communists everywhere, wherever they are in a democracy, have their own properties. Once the democracy will go away they won’t be able to even talk. But I do not say that Capitalism is the solution; I say Sahaj Yoga is the solution, all right? It is the Sahaj Yoga and he’s done so much for Sahaj Yoga. For that servant we cannot in any way insult him; servant is not important for us, who is the servant? Who are these poor people to us? We are not responsible for them, the state is responsible. We are responsible for Sahaj Yogis, because they are the people who make the difference. What does it matter if thousand people die or live, to God? He can create thousand more? There are people who are realized, even poor people, but our attention should not be shifted otherwise we’ll become like that lady, Theresa. She collects money from people, she has no money of her own. She gets people who are somewhere dying and she, she has mission, I…
9/29/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6712	Within yourself there is a seeking of the beyond	Switzerland	Zurich	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	98	Public Program in Zurich (Switzerland), 29 September 1980. [introduction] Gregoire: I would like to introduce very quickly Sahajayoga and Mataji. It is beautiful thing to do, it is not an easy one to introduce Sahajayoga. It is not an easy one because there are many, many propositions in the sale of spirituality, which are running in the market, hence Switzerland is a very unfortunate country, very unfortunate, because Switzerland is rich country. Being a rich country all the people who have been attracted by money had come down here. We have gone with Sahaja Yoga in countries like Portugal and Spain and there we have noticed that many hundreds of people got their self-realisation without any problem. One of the reasons was that none of these people had been exposed to any of the false prophets, which today occult gurus. In Switzerland it’s very different because most of the fake gurus have taken the head quarters in Switzerland. So first of all at the level of cybernation, at the level of energy, there is a lot of negativity and whenever people come they have a lot of problems. So we should be, may be proud that our trains are running on time, very happy that this itself, we should, however may be aware that there are other problems that they are very much there in our shoulders in this country. This is one reason for which that there are so few people here, whereas everywhere else there are many hundreds of seekers who have come together for self-realisation. Because, with Mataji, what is the whole thing about is not brain-washing you, giving a pep talk on Kundalini, Chakras and Spirit. It is not giving you a lecture on spiritual achievements. What Sahaja Yoga is about is to let you actually experience your own self-realisation and self-realisation is that is, is what has been promised by all the great spiritual leaders such as such as Guru Nanak such as Mohammed, such as Lao Tse, such as of course, Socrates and Lord Jesus Christ. Several realisation is happening. Now Mataji is the only person, I know a lot of people, I went to California I mean I have met all kind gurus. Mataji is the only person who come Her own and say that I will give you your self-realisation. She is the only One who does it because She is the only One who has the power to say so. And indeed every time is happens that after a program of Sahaja Yoga, many, the majority of the people lead the whole having felt their self-realisation. What it is Mataji will explain to you, more in details. What have you just try to say may be that, we have all been looking for this thing. We have all been seeking. Actually in my generation, when you were throwing stones at policemen, it was not human. May be the most intelligent thing we did in the nineteen sixties, but it was not totally purposeless either. I mean, basically there has been a generation, which has been seeking something, members of which today are nicely settled down as director of insurance agencies say is well, was all nicely, was all wrong. It’s not true. It’s not true that the quest is meaningless, it is not true that it reached nowhere. The quest has a meaning, the meaning of this quest, the meaning of our life. The meaning of our life is to find the ‘Self’. And whoever has all the great pictures of mankind know this, know that outside of the self there is no happiness, there is no fulfillment, you can seek it in power, in wealth, in woman, in whatever you like, you won’t get it, because the ‘self’ is joy and the ‘self’ is the source of joy. Now who can give you self-realisation? Who can give? Not an ordinary one. This is very important, it has question. Because when we face the extra-ordinary or when we relay to the design we need push it back in to the past. So everybody become a great Catholic or a great Mesuline [NOT CLEAR] or great Ayatulla or great Silopro [NOT CLEAR], because it’s very easy to live with a divine personality when the personality is no more. Because can you do whatever you like with it? You are no more confronting with it. Or you push it in the future. So you are the Jeodar [NOT CLEAR] witnesses, which are waiting the Christ to come or Hare Krishnas who are waiting for Krishna to come and they gather regularly to say now He is coming on such and such date and as He does not come they say we prayed so much but He didn’t come. You know, it’s all a bit foolish and He does not or He does is not the point…. [NOT CLEAR]. The point is that we have now to experience what we have been seeking for and experience it in the present. And to face Mataji in the present is not difficult at all. What it requires is just to be open. To be open, to be aware that belief is not the point, understanding is not the point, the point is to become what we want to become. The point is to become that part of our ‘Self’, which is within us. To face Mataji we need no more than this, this honesty, this seeking and also a drop of humility, because it’s not a market place. None of us need you, very frankly. We don’t need your money. We have plenty of it, I mean because we are working. We don’t need social status, by the grace of God we are born in families who are all right. We don’t need popularity, neither does Mataji need all these. She is born in a royal family, She is the wife of one of UN General Secretary. She has everything that you can wish as a human being. She is a mother, a grand mother. She is of course a married woman. This is a very different background mind you than other gurus, most of them were train collector or this kind of thing. The reason I explain you this is that you must realize that one has to see the whole picture of someone. Everybody has come to Mataji as a human person, has seen Her absolutely compassionate. Knowing the problems of all kind of human beings never ending, Her husband disclose that She knows the pain that She knows also the fullest details of problems of the painter who has to come to you know paint the wall of a flat. And he is a drunkard and he has a problem with his wife and Shri Mataji helped him and very much so. She has knowledge of human beings, in the human quality, which is amazing and She is led in this understanding by a boundless compassion. And also She very much as amicable, thus [NOT CLEAR] super human knowledge. What Mataji will talk about this evening is very human because it handles our being, emotional, mental, physical, spiritual, and it’s also super-human because it is the way we can reach that higher level of awareness which has been promised by, again by Christ and by all the other incarnations. Mataji is not a saint, Shri Mataji is not a leader, She is not a guru, She is, I don’t dare saying She is not a Mother, because She is that, but I would like to say that She is all these and much more. And please forgive me if I push it through you straight now so that we are always in time. Let’s not done a lies [NOT CLEAR], let’s not a false shyness, let’s not try to make trivial some thing, which is actually safer. I have approached Mataji like all others, I mean with a lot of questions in my mind, very analytical, extremely skeptical, ups and downs, ups and downs for … [NOT CLEAR]. And She will own on experimental basis I could check every thing, which She is teaching, and above all I could see how positively I have been changing in my own life. This doesn’t mean anything to you because you didn’t know me five years ago that five years ago I was in trouble. I was back from the US, I had a lot of all kind of analytical things in my system, wrongs, other things. And I was pretty normal, I mean I had done my studies, all that was quite there. That I was pretty abnormal, because I could not stop thinking any more. I was a very disturbing sign. Now I am very much in I can say very quietly because it is simply true. This you know it happens or it does not happen that if it happens you know someone very great has worked it out. So you are facing now someone, who is of boundless compassion and who is also very, very great power. Who that person is, is also no mystery because the meeting with your ‘Self’ is triggered by the awakening of a energy, which is the energy of the Holy Spirit within us, energy which is called Kundalini in Sanskrit. And it is written in the scriptures that, that energy can be raised by a very, very high guru after many, many lives of practices. That coincides with the Markandeya puran and in the writings of Shri Adi Sankaracharya. It is written very clearly that this energy is vision by the wave power of Bhagawati. Bhagawati is a name for Divine Mother. Divine Mother is all about for Holy Spirit. And it’s very simple, I don’t know how to avoid saying it. You can’t have a father and you can’t have a son without having a mother somehow. I mean, so that’s it. Everything I say is no matter of faith, it’s no matter of belief. You are not meant at all to accept any of my words. My words are just supposed to bring in, I profess it to you, which is very cheerful because it says this hypothesis that there is here some one sitting down here who has the power to raise my Kundalini, who is a divine personality and this I really would like to emphasize. And I am fortunate enough to meet Her. It is may be our sorrow that there are many more of you, which are here this evening that it doesn’t really matter because in this realm it’s really the quality of the seeker who comes. We never were in the circus I mean never there, that those who are seeking will come there. Mother I think I should end up here … Shri Mataji: It was very nice of Gregoire to introduce Me in this manner. Actually, this is the second time I am coming to Switzerland. It’s such a beautiful country that surprisingly all the negative forces are attracted towards it, and they want to spoil the beauty of the Lord. But even among human beings we can see how people have become so reckless in this country, such a beautiful country where God has blessed you with everything, that the rate of suicides in this country are today the highest. We have to think about it, why young people of this country try to suicide? It’s a very sad thing. You have taken everything for granted, not to understand that there are some undercurrents, which are throwing us towards our self-destruction, towards our complete frustration. I have been studying human nature since ages I should say. In modern times, the human nature has changed very speedily, because the speed has taken over time. Specially, in all the developed countries lots of things have been written, lots of ideas have been floated, and people have taken a line of thinking in most of these that life is futile. It’s not worth living. . The reason is, you cannot live with what you have. Within yourself there is a seeking of the beyond. You cannot be satisfied with what you have. That seeking lurks within you . Even if you try to avoid it by, say, going to some little place , or reading some book, going to the church, going to the temple, doing this and doing that but you cannot be satisfied unless and until you have achieved your self knowledge, unless and until you have become your own ‘Self’. It is not possible, because you are meant to get it. Sahaja means that, Sahaja means one that is born with you. This urge is born within you, you are born with the urge. As you have the urge to eat, in the same way this urge, which is a very subtler urge, is becoming so evident in modern times. In most of the developed countries, that people do not understand why, why is it they are committing, these people are committing suicide. The thing is from inside they are seeking something. They are not sure as to what they are seeking. They are very weak and when they approach the subject of seeking, may be they are lost in this big universe, and they don’t understand how to get it. On the contrary in the East, I would say especially in India, thanks to the climatic conditions of India that people didn’t have to fight the nature so much. They have been practising meditation in the forest since ages and they have been able to discover many things about our being within and what is our seeking. Actually why are we born. This question has been looked into, in the same way as you have looked into the scientific research in the modern countries. And they have been able to see within themselves that there is a power called as Kundalini in the triangular bone, which is the source by which our germination takes place, our second birth takes place. For example, for all of you, Bible is the book and if Christ is the ideal, then Christ has said many a times that you have to seek. Actually the message of Christ's life is seeking. The message is the rebirth. He has talked about it often , often, but some how that seeking has been stopped as if people felt that thats’ss not possible so forget it. But you cannot forget it because this is natural to us. As it is natural for you to be a human being, it is absolutely natural for you to be something more than that. If you do not achieve it, not today, tomorrow you will have to come to a point and you will have to find out what is the reason, why am I here, what am I doing, what is the purpose of my life? Is it meaningless, or is it just to earn some money, live well and die? The question should be asked by the scientist, why we are created out of a amoeba, a unicellular animal into human being? Why? Why this big process of evolution took place within us? And what is the purpose of this human being who is half baked yet, who does not know, who knows half, who does not know half, what ever he knows he knows through his rationality, but there is no actual understanding, actuality within us, to know whether there is spirit or not. Are we to believe that all those people who talked of the spirit and of the second birth were false people or they were just trying to misguide us? They were not. They are absolutely truthful about it. The problem is they are born on the tenth story and they see something, which the people on the ground floor can not see. That’s why they crucify them, they kill them, they poison them, they never accept them. And this is the reason something has to be done to the common masses that they reach at least the first or the second story to see that some thing beyond. This is very important and the time has come as I always say the blossom time has come. Now we went to, say Madrid is a place I had never been there, we just put an advertisement, we had about hundred people and most of them got realisation. Just like that. They can, because the time, when the time has come that maturity has reached, many flowers have to become the fruit. It’s a living process, it’s a living process of transforming you into something else which is the fruit of this age. The process is working out from the very beginning from ancient times till you have come to the human stage and now you have to become that where you start understanding this divine power, which has worked it out. Everything is Sahaja. It’s spontaneous. Sahaja is born with you. Like in the seed there is the map of the whole creation, which is going to be there. In the same way within you lies all the map, everything how far you have to go. Now the question is what have we to seek? We have to seek our Spirit. Now what can we do about it? Actually we cannot do anything about it. That’s the fact. Because to become a human being what did you do? Did you stand in your heads or read some books. Nothing. It just happens. It’s spontaneous. It's God’s grace that has made you human beings and you are going to be something else also because of the same ways. You cannot do anything about it once you know this fact that it is effortless. All living processes are effortless. For example a flower becomes a fruit without any effort. It is spontaneous. In the same way you also achieve that state, effortless. Is a fact. Those people, who tell you, give us ten francs and we will teach you how to reach to God, better tell them there is no ticket. There is no way of doing it. If they tell you that you stand on your heads, three days you will become self realised, it’s absolutely wrong, because, if it is a living God and the living process, it cannot be manufactured or it cannot be put into it (unclear). But it is very difficult for people to understand that you can achieve anything without paying for it, specially where Zurich and all these places where banking is the main thing. (section unclear) You see we can, I have a banking even of God. But you cannot purchase God. You cannot purchase it. You cannot perceive it. You cannot organise it. If you want to organise God, you are sadly mistaken. He organises you. He looks after you. It is his grace that is wanted. It is not that you can make God to think, but it is He who should do it out of His grace and love for you. It is a very different thing, while the fake people have just floated a market. Just imagine, market of God. It is all predicted in all the scriptures that they will be coming and they will be saying I am Christ, I am Christ and they will be floating a market. But this is the one thing one should see, those who have floated the market can not be Christ. Cannot be anything Divine. This first thing one should find out, if the person is trying to make money out of you, selling God then he has nothing to do with God. With God he is anti. This is first thing one has to do. It has to be compassion, it has to be love. And compassion, which just flows, which doesn’t ask for anything, just flows. It just emits from your being. Just, just to give and not to receive anything on the other. As you remember, once somebody touched Christ cloth and he said the energy has passed into the person. Its like that. It’s flowing through. All the time it’s flowing, it is to be received with an open mind and to achieve what you have to achieve. Like the Sun’s rays are received by the flower to become the fruit. What does the flower do? Nothing, it just receives the power of the Sun and becomes the fruit. In the same way this happens and He has very nicely placed within us, all these different things just to achieve the results. Now as you see here, there are seven centres are shown in this picture out of which the lowest one is placed below the Kundalini, it’s placed below the germinating power. This one is placed here. This is your innocence. You were born in innocence. First the human beings were born in innocence. (inaudible) This is the centre of your innocence. We all were born innocently. And this represents the quality within us, which is absolutely pure, which is purity. And above the Kundalini, the rest of the centres are there which they denote our different ascent in our evolution. Vertically it is the evolutionary process and horizontally it is our subtle and subtler and subtlest development of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual being. So as you see these centres exist within us, in our spinal cord, then in our brain and then in the limbic area, which is encircled on top of the head. These centres are actually subtle centres but they manifest themselves outside as gross plexuses. For example the lowest one, which is called in Sanskrit language as Mooladhar chakra. It manifests your pelvic plexus. The second one, which is called as Swadishthan chakra manifests as your aortic plexus. The third one, which is called as Manipur is manifested as solar plexus. Then higher than that is the, what you call the heart centre, you can call as a Hriday chakra is manifested as your cardiac plexus. Then, here is the centre, which is called as Vishuddhi chakra is manifested outside as cervical plexus. On top here is a very subtle centre between your pituitary and pineal body, which is called, as Agnya chakra, is a very important centre, is the centre of Christ. And on top here in between here is the centre of we can say, we call it Sahastrara means a.. we can say the centre of one thousand petals, Sahastrara. And this is the centre of your limbic area, which is responsible for opening the top most point here in the fontanel bone, which is called as the Brahmarandhra means, the whole of the divine power where in through which we enter into the subtle awareness of divinity. This is baptism. This is actual baptism. Not a false one, where just somebody comes from the theological college, brings some water, puts on your head and says now you are baptized. That’s not actual, because Kundalini hasn’t risen with that, because the person has to have authority from God’s college. If the person doesn’t have that authority, if a person is not enlightened already, he cannot enlighten another person. It’s a very simple thing, like a candle which is not enlightened cannot enlighten another candles. It has to be enlightened to enlighten another candles. In the same a way person who is not enlightened cannot raise the Kundalini. You have to be an enlightened person, a realised person, a person who is twice born, a person who is called also as brahmin in India. Of course its all words as called. Even Christian means the person who is baptised. Baptised in the real sense and not in an artificial. Artificially if you suppose I take a telephone and starts dialling and there is no connection, will it work? It is a very simple thing. The one who has no connection with the Divine has no right to raise the Kundalini, he cannot. Whatever you may try it won’t act. Because, She understands. She knows everything, She coordinates everything, She works out everything, She is your mother and She loves you very much. So She knows who is the person who is responsible and that’s how spontaneously the Kundalini rises. You are just made ready. No instrument is there. It’s like a computer, it’s all ready. Just to be put to the mains. And once it is put to the mains you are surprised at the manifestation of your own. Like I would say in this place, you can say that there is a lot of music and lot of scenes and things like that and there is a lot of colour. But you won’t believe till you have a television set and you put it and plug it to the mains, you start the manifestation of the television and you get surprised. In the same way you are an instrument most beautifully made. Absolutely so beautifully made that once you discover it you will be amazed as to what you are. The reason is the self-esteem, its not possible because you have not known your elf, you have not known your self, you have not known your own beauty and your values. I can see that spirit, I see that diamond sparkling in you. And I know that with little patience I will work it out, the clouds will go away and you will shine in your own beauty. It works out through this awakening of the Kundalini. Now there have been also many gurus who are talking of raising the Kundalini. I mean whatever you talk they are there. Like everything has a plastic reproduction, in the same way even about God in modern times your plastic production of everything. Now they will say we raise the Kundalini, we do this and we do that – then why do you take money? If it is a living process why do you need money? It just flows automatically. Why should you take money for that? Or why should you in any way connect it with material? If it is spiritual, you cannot exchange material for the spiritual. It is very necessary, specially in Switzerland for people to know that how these gurus are exploiting. But still despite the fact so many things have been found out. Last time when I came to Switzerland, Gregoire has taken Me to one of the gurus place and he showed Me this is one of the gurus place. And within eight days time he was caught by the police and I was surprised that he had a nurse who had poisoned some people and all that, and he was caught by the police. But still people believe in such things because they are mesmerised. They do not want to give it up. Now in England recently a guru came from America and he has already got fifty-eight Rolls Royce’s, imagine. Fifty-eight Rolls Royce’s. And he wrote to them that if you give me a Rolls Royce, I will come to you. So these poor things starve themselves the whole year. These are seekers, these are real seekers, you see, mesmerised by these horrible, satanic people and they starve themselves and after a year this fellow came in. They gave him a Rolls Royce. When some of the Sahaja yogis went and asked, why did you do it? they said, you see, he has given us something special, we live in another world, you see, because mesmerised person lives is like a mad man, he doesn’t know where he is living, and, he has given us that. So we just give him what, metal. What is Rolls Royce, is matter. We give him matter and he gives us spirit. There is no exchange like that. You cannot exchange spirit for matter. Spirit stands by itself, by its beauty, by its glory. You cannot exchange it for anything and you cannot force it to express itself. It has to happen. There has to be a happening within. Then only we can feel the spirit in our attention. The thing is so far we have got our nervous system and that nervous system we are aware of. We know how to increase the rate of our heart, supposingly jump or run, the heart increases in its rate. But automatically it comes. Now when we say it comes down automatically people say there is an autonomous nervous system that does it. Now who is this auto? Autonomous system means there is some auto. Now who is this auto? Which auto is doing this job? That they cannot answer. And then they say, o that part we do not know. I mean they are very honest about it. But if somebody can say that through meditation we know who is this auto, they don’t want to believe it. Because, I am talking of an unlimited sphere, where you become absolutely collective, you become unlimited. Because now through you starts flowing unlimited force, the unlimited energy of God’s love. You cannot reach there through this limited rationality. When you try to rationalise it either you will go to the left or to the right. Left and right, there are two areas within us. And these two are really dangerous. You have to go on top of the head. On the left hand side we have the area, which we call as collective subconscious. All that is dead within us since the creation resides in that area. Recently, to My amazement I saw a program in the BBC where they showed that cancer is caused by some sort of a protein matter that invades us from the areas unknown to us within ourselves, which were built since that age (check). And these are the areas we have got within us according to Sahaja Yoga and that’s why Sahaja yoga can cure cancer. Because when the attention through the help of the Kundalini raises and enters into the realm of the spirit, which is here, then you cannot go to the left or right but you keep to the centre. Once you try to go too much on the left or too much on the right then there is an invasion on both the sides and you can become overactive, so active that you cannot stop your thinking. Gregoire was one of the victims of such a such an attack on him, because he went all out for his searching to all sort of people he went and there I found that he was caught up and he could not stop his thinking, his mind was going on like a like a mad horse and when he came to Me he was in a very bad shape. Now this comes from the right hand side movement. But it can come also from the left hand side movement. Anyway if you move away from your central being, you fall into the area where you are attacked. Now cancer can be cured through Sahaja yoga. I have been saying this for so many years. Of course we have done it. Also for your information I can tell you that our president, president of India was cured through Sahaja Yoga. His cancer was cured. He had a cancer, he went to America and the whole, the operation was unsuccessful. He was just dieing. He came to London and there I happed to meet him for ten minutes. You can write to him and find out. And he was perfectly alright. But the trouble is people don’t believe it. Even the doctors, when they come to Me, they are very sceptical. But once they get a cancer they come to Me to get cured. The trouble is the whole thing is unbelievable. It is such a dynamic thing, it is such a fantastic thing that people cannot believe it. Only thing you should know that there is a power, all pervading, which exists all around, which thinks, which understands, which coordinates. We do nothing. Human beings have this ego for nothing at all. They really don’t do anything. For example, what do we do is to making a chair. Just a tree is there. We make it into a chair – a dead into a dead. Any living thing do we do? Can we transform a flower into fruit? You can’t. Billions and billions of such things are done every moment on this earth and is done through this divine power of God. We have to feel that, we have to become that. We have to be instruments. God has specially made this instrument in such a way that ultimately you get connected to the whole. Once you get connected you start feeling your working on collectivity. Your awareness becomes different, from your hand cool breeze starts flowing and energy starts flowing. And you can feel another person through this cool breeze. You can feel it, what centres there are catching. You can see on the hands we have shown. When these centres are enlightened how these sympathetic centres on our hands, you can feel it and you can find out what’s the matter with another person. What centre is catching, where is the problem, what we have to do. It’s an integration of a person, completely because these, all the centres represent our different beings. When the Kundalini passes through them, She pierces through them just like a thread through many pearls and integrates. But when She enters through this path, then she enters into this awareness, this dynamic awareness of which we become an instrument, which starts flowing, you can feel it. Then as Gregoire has said, he was really very sceptical [NOT CLEAR], he wanted to find out, he could not believe. Though you have heard about it, you know that there is a God’s power and all that but you could not believe it. So you try to experiment, you try to find out what Mother says is correct or not. And when he found out, then he was amazed. And that’s how he is a Swiss person and he felt that his country must know this and it has to happen in Switzerland also. Why not? I said all right, I will try to come. But you see how is the response, that people are enamoured in a materialistic country by the outward show and the service. God does not have any service, or outward show. It is what it is. What is there to show when it is there why should we show it off? But the trouble is that you have to talk and tell them about the people who are trying to enamour them because they are seekers, that you do not seek God in the way you seek other things. For God you have to have a happening within you, an actual experience within you, it’s a real actualisation. Now why the happening is within us? Why should we deal without a happening? The thing is you are paying attention to Me now. If I say pay attention to yourself, you cannot do it. Because that’s not the way you can manage. Your attention is always outward, you cannot take it inside. Supposing something falls down, immediately your attention will be there. So when the Kundalini rises your attention, is attracted inside and it is actually pulled like a sari is pulled up and is taken to this place where there is seat of the spirit. But actually the spirit resides in the heart. Today is on My way to Rome. I have come here for one day. It’s an introductory lecture actually and I do not want to cover the whole subject because the subject is too big. And whatever I may say has no meaning unless and until you get yourrealisation. That’s one thing. That is that you must get your realisation. But that it will happen to you cannot be promised. Will happen, may not happen, but should happen to all of you. It has happened to so many people. Why not to you? It should happen to all of you. But for that you have to keep your mind absolutely open. Because it is proven, it is fantastic, it is proven. But this you have to have. This is your own right to have. So Yoga means the union. This union you have to have. This is in your own right as a human being, in your own right as a seeker you have to get it. And if not today you will come tomorrow, if not tomorrow you will come some other day. Those who are all seeking this way here and there will be all disillusioned and will come to Sahaja Yoga. But when you go round here and there you get hurt. There are problems. I have seen some people have Kundalini, which is just wounded and She just moves on, banging Her head here and there and She cannot rise. She is wounded, She is bleeding andit is only because these satanic people have done something to Her. And there are so many ways they know how to ruin your chances of realisation. Now one may say what is My interest? Its only I should say, ‘My will’. I do not know, because I have no interest at all about anything. It’s only that I have to give. What is the interest of the, of the Sun in giving us light? It’s just giving because that’s the nature of a person. That’s the nature of the Sun that it has to give. That’s how it works. There is no other interest but that. Of course when I see so many flowers turning into the fruits naturally, it’s such a joyous thing and it should happen because this is the last judgement. This is how you are going to be judged through the awakening of your Kundalini. This is the last judgement. There is not going to be somebody standing with a, a weighing machine and weighing you. It is the Kundalini, which is the centre point, which is the central point, what you call pointer by which you will be judged, all of you. And you will judge yourself. But this judgement is not the way people think, that it is a second judgement. Though the Kundalini rises in split of a second, but you will be given complete chance to correct yourself, to be alright, and that is what it is. On such a one-day lecture I think I have said quite a lot about the Kundalini and tried to cover-up most of the points. But in details we will be dealing with when I come back here for three days and we will have to do something about it. Now, if you have any questions please ask Me. That’s a good thing, because unless and until you ask Me questions I don’t know what are the problems. And then we see how many of you can get realisation. In a way it is good on the first day that you get it, because you can go better. So not to feel unhappy about it. You see because you get so unhappy, see these people, because they have got it they want to share it with you. Because they have found it so they want to do it. And they are just like you, very ordinary normal people as you are all of them and nothing special about them to look at. But they have changed their lives, they are transformed. They are very happy people and they are doing this work themselves. So that’s how they feel little unhappy about it that the people in Zurich have not given a response. But I am not, because thats the beginning is always so small, always and sometimes it can be the sign of the biggest thing. For example if you see the biggest tree in India is called as Ashvattha. It’s a tree, which has such a small little seed, such a small little seed,but it is the biggest tree. So it starts with a small seed. There is nothing to feel bad about it. It’s better to have people of quality, few of them, than to have many without any quality without any sense in them. So I would say that you should feel quite happy about whatever is there. We have very nice people and if they get realisation,if they settle downis going to work out very well. May God bless you. Now please ask Me questions. It’s important because today we have some time, and it would be a nice idea to know about what people think in Zurich. Seeker: You told us about baptism, I am a Roman catholic. Roman catholic belief says, You said ‘just doing with water’ that doesn’t mean anything. That certain persons can do that, not all persons do that. In the Roman catholic belief says everyone can do it. The water is just the outside sign, and doesn’t mean very much. The spirit of God that should come in.Why is it that You say not everyone can do it? Shri Mataji: Now I will tell you, I know this problem I have been facing throughout, because Catholicism is a very strong hold everywhere. So I am not surprised at your question. But I will tell you. You see, now I will tell you that supposing there is a policeman standing on the road and he stops you, you stop your car. But supposing somebody says I am the policeman, will you stop your car? Supposing he believes, he has a belief that ‘I am the policeman’, will you stop your car? He has to have authority. Now, from where do you get your authority? You have to get it from God. Now what is the sign? Christ has said again and again and again and again that you have to seek yourself, you have to be born again. Which Catholic people are doing that? You see, just tell Me. Just tell Me very frankly. I have not seen any Catholic person who is seeking God. They are only satisfied with going to Church, coming home, nothing else. By reading Bible what have they achieved? Ages together now we have had Catholicism. Nobody is a realised soul. On the contrary I was amazed now (name) is another Catholic who was with Me before her. I tell you in Madrid they were at least hundred twenty people, all of them got realisation except for one doctor and why? I asked him and these people told Me he is a Catholic. It’s a fanaticism. Belief is our mental attitude. Why do you believe? I tell you why do you believe in Christ though I am absolutely that? But I would say Why do you believe in Holy Ghost also? Have you seen it? Have you felt it? Ask for it, ask for the real. If you live with something belief, you will die with it. Ask for the real. If there is Holy Ghost, if there is Divine power, you should feel it. I think all the Catholics should ask, where is that that is promised. What about the second birth? How long? You see your father was a Catholic, his grandfather was a Catholic, her great grandfather was a Catholic, the whole progeny has been of Catholic. What have they done? What have they achieved? You see, we have to see that we have are to be born again. We are to be born again. [Side A Ends] Saintly life, all that is there. But Christ came. Why was it necessary for Christ to come when Moses has told all these things? Why did He come? He came to give His message of resurrection. He came for you to know that you have to become the spirit. You are to be born of your spirit. That was it. Now how many of these people who are baptising are ‘born again’? This is the point. Today, sir you are accepting Catholicism, but your children won’t. In London, people are selling their Churches. I mean what a shame? I mean I feel hurt about it because this is Christ’s work and because you have not put forward the real thing it is going to fade out, everywhere. Everywhere it is going to fade out. Now I live just in front of a cathedral in London. And they are going to start a discotheque. Really it is a fact. I mean imagine what a thing it is! Because they want to attract the young people. Now I have so many young people as My disciples in Europe and in India. I do not have to keep them attracted because they are attracted because of the truth that they are spirits. Give them the truth. It’s the living God you have to give them. Do not talk, give sermons, this that, what’s the use? Tell Me what’s the use. Everybody believes in this thing that ‘I have met Christ’. All nonsense. Unless and until you have the power, unless and until you become real Christian, it is no meaning. Then what happens? Then you start feeling others. You know, what’s the matter with the person. You can feel. The energy flows through. You can raise the Kundalini, this living thing you can. You can see with your naked eyes, this Kundalini pulsating. You can see it rising with your naked eyes, which is a living thing, which you cannot do. So far human beings cannot do anything living. After realisation, they can do it. Have they created living people, any living experience? Nothing, all dead. I have nothing against Catholicism as such, but where are you going? Do you know how far you have come spiritually? After realisation, you know, you know where you are. You know what chakra is catching, where are you, how to raise it. You see there is nothing like Christ coming, somewhere hanging in the air. It’s a big tree of life. Christ was the fruit of that tree. You must know others also. He said that those who are not against me are with me. Who are those? Who are those about whom he said? He said I will appear before you like tongues of flames. You really see your chakras like tongues of flames. Now let the preachers explain, they cannot. They have their own interpretation. All mental. It is not mental, is the vibratory awareness, which is going to give you the interpretation. For example, if I ask you, is this gentleman realised or not. Can you tell Me? Can any please say whether he is realised or not? But he can say, whether you are or not, or which priest is. And you don’t know what is happening in priesthood also. One should face it. It is very clear-cut because now I am getting priests as my disciples. And when I see them I am surprised, they said that from inside they are getting absolutely choked up. This every day confessions and things coming to us and we want to seek. There are so many priests who go to India in ordinary dresses for seeking. They are going all over the places for seeking. Because they are human beings, they want to seek. I had, in Chiros (Unclear: not sure of location) we had priests who came to us for seeking. And they, they have got their gurus in India and the guru one she told Me, he told me was a realised soul. How will you know? What I am saying there’s no way of knowing. You are in a blank. So what will happen? Tomorrow your children will be born with intelligence, they will not accept any blind faith. They will say, ‘Give us the proof of what you said.’ They’ll say, ‘We do not even accept Bible.’ Give us the proof. So somebody has to give the proof. I am here to establish everything, which is being refused by everyone. I am here to prove everything, prove your scriptures, and prove Christand prove the whole thing that is the truth. I am not here to establish a Church, which is just built on bricks. But every human being is a Church. That’s what I am here to prove. And what these people have proved is nothing. I went to Shah (Unclear: location unknown), such a nice beautiful temple they have made. There is not a single person who is thinking of God. Not a single person thinking of seeking. They are just watching all the paintings, this, that. Nobody has anything in them. One should understand that we have to find solution. We have to give meaning to God’s creation. We should not end up into something else. I would suggest that you first get your realisation. The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. Now I am very happy that being a catholic person, you have come and you are seeking as a quest. That’s a very great thing. And once you get it, then you will realise what I am talking. It’s a new dimension, which has to come within us of reality. Not of unreal things. It is so unreal when you start seeing it from here that you are shocked and you are surprised. For your information, I took My birth in a Christian family, for the same reason. So many people ask Me, why did you take, in India specially, because most of My disciples are Muslims and Hindus and not Christians. They are forbidden. They are absolutely forbidden to go to somebody else you see. So there are all kinds. Even Muslims. I have got disciples in Algeria, Morocco, but I have no disciples who are Christians. Only those, who are your young people, who are real seekers. Young people of Europe and of all the countries are real seekers. They do not accept anything blind floded. But for them these thugs have come and they have misused them. Catholicism got more importance because Protestants did not show any one. So they thought it is better to go to another thing than to be here. That’s how they got. But did you get your realisation? Did you get your second birth? Ask yourself. Why should you miss this chance? Better have it. Supposing you were born in India, you would not have been a Catholic. So is it denied? By joining a Church do you become a special person, do you think so? Do you believe in it? How many believes in such a thing? He does. You see, unless and until you belong to His group, you cannot be saved by God. This is all make believes. Only you will be saved by God if you are authorised. You must get your second birth. You must really get your real, living baptism. John the Baptist did that, tried it. He tried, didn’t work out, didn’t work out. He was the only person who was a realised soul. He tried. Of course, Christ was an incarnation no doubt, I can prove it to you where is Christ. Do you know where is Christ within us? Do you know? Catholics who has been talking so much about God, do they know where is Christ within us? Where is He placed within us? Where is He place? They do not know. He exists here, in the brain between the Pituitary and the Pineal. Now how do I prove it? When the Kundalini rises, if She stops here we have to say Lord’s Prayer. That’s the mantra of this centre. You have to say, ‘O Lord, Jesus Christ, please arise.’ Only a realised soul can say that and the Kundalini goes up. Actually Christ is really missing from most of the Christian missions because Christ is the person who controls our ego. These are all ego-oriented countries. Look at Him. He lived like an ordinary man. He was the son of a carpenter. Are we Christians, the way we live, the way we attach importance to material things? The centre here when the Kundalini crosses over, we become absolutely thoughtless. And the way to do it is to forgive, but not before anybody else, but before a realised soul. If you say, ‘Mother I forgive’, it works, Kundalini raises. The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. Whatever I say I will prove it. There is no mystery about it. And this is the best part of it. The mystery, they will say there is a mystery. Now if there is a mystery, what are you doing there? I mean, if it is a mystery for you that means you are blind. And the blind leading the blind, where will you land? It’s simple. You just think about it. I am here to complete His work. I am here to establish and to prove Him. Those who have not been able to prove Him should accept this and they will know that there is a way of proving Christ. It is such a vague thing that people talk of Christ so much and think of Him. But they have built their own castles, that’s the problem. They will follow, the time has come for these things to follow. People are going to challenge and ask, what about your rebirth? Even the water a realised soul touches becomes vibrated. Even the fire, it acts when you enlighten it. But you have to be a realised soul, that’s the main point is. To be born of your spirit. All right. This is the point is that it’s not talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. It’s something that should happen. Any other questions? Gregoire give Me some water. (Details for the next program in Zurich are given in German) Because, to establish yourself, your realisation, you have to come again. Of course, you will get realisation today, no doubt. But it is not established in most of the people in Western countries, because they think about it. I mean, how can you think about a flower becoming a fruit? We do not think about it. But your realisation you start thinking, there are ramblings. So then the Kundalini again goes down. Again you have to raise it. So I would suggest that even if you get realisation today, please come back again. Bring more friends, more people. This is to be given to all the people. This is what they are seeking and they have to have it. Any other question? Seeker: You say you can feel it and the in hands are the green finger and the blue one and the yellow [NOT CLEAR] How is it different in the chakras? Shri Mataji: Yes, Yes. You see in all our hands, there are five, one two three four five and six and seven centres are there. And they get enlightened. This is the seven. This is the seventh, the Sahasrara, here. And this is the first. First and the second and the third and the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh. This is the centre of Christ. See, if somebody is thinking too much then this centre will be burning, you will feel it. That’s all. You know there was one gentleman, a English one, who first came to Me. He got his realisation and he could not believe it you see. This is too fantastic for him to believe. But he started getting burning here. So he said Mother, what does this mean? I said this is your father’s centres because right hand is father’s, left hand is mother’s. And father’s centre is also within us. Now, I said this is your father’s and this is the centre of your Vishuddhi, here the throat. So if it is burning, that means your father must be down with bronchitis. This is the centre as I told you. Immediately he telephoned to his father in Scotland. Father didn’t come to the phone, the mother came. And he asked the father, about the father. She said, he is down with bronchitis. This is the sentence she said. And you can cure sitting down here, you can, because it is all connected. All your inter communications and all that have come from the same. You can work it out. There is a letter I received just before coming. There is an Australian gentleman who got his realisation. And he has written to Me, he is going to come and see Me in Germany. And he said that, I must thank you very much. His wife, his wife, wife’s sister was suffering from epilepsy. Since the day I got my realisation she is all right. Her epilepsy was cured. We have cured so many patients from epilepsy, you can’t imagine. People have given up drinking, smoking, drugs, because you find that source, which is the source of joy. Then you give up all these things. It should happen. I don’t have to tell people not to do this and do that. Just goes out. Because once you have found that, the nectar, the ambrose, you don’t want to care for other things, you are not bothered. You are never bored. Because you live in the present, you just enjoy yourself. The spirit enjoys by itself. But when your attention enters into it, enlightenment of its enjoyment comes into your attention and you start enjoying yourself. This has happened to these young people here who are sitting down and should happen to all of you. It is fantastic. God is extremely fantastic. Tremendous He is, His ways and methods, you have not yet felt. Once you feel it, you will be amazed how He looks out. Every moment to moment, what joy and what happiness! So that I am going to tell you when you come next everything in details, I will tell you what is what and what is there. Nothing is going to be kept a secret or a mystery and you yourself will know what is happening. Even a child of say three years or four years, if he is a born realised child, he can say that this is the centre or this is the centre, you can feel it. He may not know the name but he’ll tell you the centre. It is fantastic, no doubt. Now what is it ? You have any question? [Seeker says something which is not clear] My question which I am trying to neutralise is reincarnation. Shri Mataji: To be. That’s it. You are just there. You are saying the same thing. [Seeker: My question was, the Eastern world is passive because it has have and to be, and the Western world is active because it has had and not be. With the reincarnation as You see it, is it active or passive?] Shri Mataji: You become in the centre. You are neither passive nor active, you just watch, you become a witness of the whole thing. You see it’s a situation in which you are in the centre. For example, I will tell you a very simple example, which will explain your question is this. When a person does something, he thinks I am doing it. All right? If somebody doesn’t do it, he says I am not doing it. But supposing the Sun, he just emits, he is in non-action, he is doing nothing, he is just emitting. You go into a state where it becomes akarma where you do not do anything. By doing something you develop your ego. By not doing something you develop your super ego. But by becoming realised it just emits. You become a hollow personality. You are not there. It’s a very sweet story of Radha and Krishna, I will tell you. Once Radha was jealous of the flute of Shri Krishna and she said what is so special that she is always at your lips. So Krishna said why don’t you ask her. It’s a symbolic story. She went and asked. She said, what is your speciality that you are always at His lips? The flute smiled, she said that, my speciality is that I have no speciality. I am not there, I am a hollow personality, His flute and I am flowing His melodies. People think I am doing it, but I am just a hollow personality. So, you are neither passive, nor active but you are doing it, it's happening. And you just see, your language changes, language changes. You say like that. Now for example if I ask Mathias to give you realisation, he will not say I am giving realisation, he will not say. He will say it’s not coming, it’s not going, it’s not working out. It. You become a third person. You understand now that point? [Seeker says something] Shri Mataji: In the present. No, No, when you are passive you are not in the present. When you are passive, you are in the past, when you are active, you are in the future. But when you are in the centre, in the present, then you are. You are. All right. Seeker: This being is not a static state because when the body and the abstract move with the same speed then one is static [Not Clear] prepares a new evolution. Shri Mataji: No. You see you have evolved sufficiently enough now. You are a human being is the last word now. Now the jumping is going to be something different. Like we have got in a spacecraft, we have got containers one into another. All right. The first container blasts off and sends another one with accelerated velocity, the second blasts off and sends the third one, like that goes on till the last one. Then when the last one blasts off, the body of the spacecraft goes into the realm of no space, I mean into the realm where there is no movement, in the sense that there is no gravity, it moves by itself. In the same way our evolution of our physical being, emotional being, mental being spiritual being is all blasted one after another. Now at this stage, the Kundalini throws you into that space where you become aware of that power and that power starts flowing through you. It’s a different state in which you enter, it’s a different state. By standing in this state you cannot understand that state. You have to reach there, you have to become. Once you become you are amazed at yourself. You understand My point? It is not rationally you can understand. I cannot make you understand what is there, because for, supposing a dog wants to know what is a human being. How to tell him? His awareness is different, ours is different. Now our awareness when it becomes that awareness what happens, the energy starts flowing through. And you develop a new awareness, which we call as vibratory awareness by which you feel others. You start feeling others. You start feeling others. You start understanding others. You feel them on your fingers. You feel their centres, you feel your centres and the Kundalini moves with your hand movements. It’s a different state in which you have to rise. Which you have to achieve, like if there is a microscope, you can see through it. Without the microscope how can I explain? You become that, when you become that, then only I can explain. You cannot resolve this conflict unless and until you become that. It cannot be explained through rationality. But is logical, its logical that you are made for some purpose. Once you become that one can understand. Even a child can understand if he is a realised child. And so many realised children are born these days, so many. They have a different awareness altogether. It’s a different awareness I am talking about, which is not yet being manifested. It has to manifest. Then you do not think, it just works without thinking. Actually when this centre opens out then you become thoughtless, there’s no thought. You actually see this thing going down. Just like a child, you get your fontanel bone depression there. You see that. Actually it happens. You can see clearly, you can feel it also. You can feel it on others, you can see the Kundalini rising with your own eyes, you can see with your naked eye. It is that truthful. All right. By thinking you cannot raise. By making parallel this thing you cannot make. Let us resolve it. Why not? All right? Just open yourself, little bit. It will work out. Just open yourself. Gregoire: Mother should we tell them to take out their shoes? Shri Mataji: I think we have to take out our shoes, because this Mother Earth helps us. You see Earth is one of the elements within us. The elements, when they go little bit here and there, you see we have a problem. Just take out the shoes and touch the ground. Now as I told you the centres are here. They are to be enlightened. You have to just put your hands towards Me like this. Just like this and close your eyes. It will work out in a split of a second. Do not think about it. Just your thought will stop itself. Keep yourself open and in awaiting state, just expect it to happen. It will happen. As you are just there, you have reached proper conclusion that you have to be. That is the right conclusion you have reached through your thinking. Please close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Closing eyes are necessary because when the Kundalini rises there is dilatation of the pupil and She won’t rise if your eyes are open. It’s just the opposite of mesmerism. First you will become thoughtlessly aware. Left heart. Now you have to forgive. First of all forgive everyone. You have to forgive everyone because it’s a myth, it’s a myth that you do not forgive, so please forgive. Just say Mother we forgive, we forgive. Forgiveness is a myth and we should not be identified with a myth. Close your eyes please. Close your eyes. For a while. Just for a while close your eyes. For a while, please close them properly. Just close them otherwise, Kundalini won’t rise you see after a certain point, please close. [That is your seat, please] just see, just see them, chakras they are catching, please all of you, you can see. Yes, just see them. Please keep your eyes shut. These people will tell Me what are the centres you are catching individually. It will work out. His left is very, very weak. Keep your eyes shut, all of you. Fully shut. Relaxed way, just relax, it is going to work out. She has got it. She’s got it. That’s it. You have to ask for forgiveness and then you have to say that, I have not paid so much attention to my spirit. You have to ask for forgiveness from God that, Spirit is the main thing I should have sought. I should have sought the spirit and nothing else but the spirit. So please forgive me. You have to believe in God who is your father, who is your protector, who looks after you, you don’t have to have any fears about Him. He is going to look after you. You just ask for His forgiveness. [Shri Mataji says something probably guiding how to work etc, may be but not clear/audible, Mahat Ahankara Sakshat mantra recited by Shri Mataji] Om twameva sakshat, Mahat Ahankara Sakshat She has got it. She’s got it. Mathias what do you say? Right heart? Ask him about his father. No. Right heart. She has got it. Good. She has got it. Let her enjoy herself. May God bless you. [CONVERSATION OF MOTHER AND YOGIS NOT CLEAR] Ask him to ask for self-realisation, Mother. Just ask him. It will work out. [CONVERSATION OF MOTHER AND YOGIS NOT CLEAR] Once more. Got it. Just feel it. Hot is coming. Hot is coming. [Inaudible voices of Mother etc.,] Let it come out. What do you say. Left. Mathias? Still? Ask him about his father. What do you say? Left heart. That’s catholicism. Now what about him? It will work. Just close your eyes. It will work. Hot? Cool? He has got it. He has got it. He is all right. Now, for him, he should say Nirmalavidya, for him, Nirmalavidya. [Gregoire says to Mother that eyes are flickering] Shri Mataji: Eyes are flickering? Ask him to keep his eyes open. And not to think. Just watch Me. Ask him to do like that, still. Did he go to some guru? Gregoire: Name of false guru, he is the one who has got 14years jail, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ask him to ask the question of a guru. He will be alright. Just ask a question. It will work out. It will neutralise. Seeker: Mother! Are you my Guru? Shri Mataji: Again. Seeker: Mother! Are you my Guru? Shri Mataji: Again. Seeker: Mother! Are you my Guru? Shri Mataji: Mathias. Passes into Vishuddhi, Nabhi. [MOTHER WORKING OUT] Aham Sakshat Adi Guru, Aham sakshat, Guru Mata Sakshat. Ha! All right. Close your eyes now. Let’s see. Let’s see if the flickering stops. You’ve got it very well. Tell him how to help you. He is all right. He has got it. Ah! You joined us. He has got it. Gregoire: It’s is the second son he comes. Shri Mataji: Aah, that’s how. Gregoire: He was in this room. Shri Mataji: He has got it. She has got it too. What about him? Heat is coming up. Cool na? Hot still? Ask him to put his left hand on his stomach, on the liver. Left hand. Liver, yes. What about this lady? Are you feeling any cool breeze? What’s she saying? [Conservation of yogi with the lady]. Heavy, are you feeling heavy? Seeker: Only my ring fingers. Shri Mataji: Are heavy, both the, both the fingers are heavy? Both the fingers? All right. Just a minute. Sakshat MahatOmkara. You believe in Christ? Then? You have to believe in Him. Why? He crucified himself. Why don’t you believe in Him? He is the one who is angry. Both the centres of Agnya. (inaudible) You just say, Mother, I believe in Him. It will work out. All right? Without him nothing can work out, impossible. [Conversation of Sahaja Yogi with lady goes on] Seeker: why? Gregoire: Because I tell you why? Shri Mataji: The centre is here. Gregoire: Because it will open your Agnya chakra for your sake not for His sake. RIght? You have to gain not Him, so you have to say. Shri Mataji: You have to believe in Him, because He is there. You cannot deny Him. That’s why you are catching both the centres. These, of this centre. How did I know that you don’t believe in Christ? All right. Because here is the centre catching. How did I know that he has a guru? You have to believe in Him. How could you deny him? You cannot. He is the Spirit. All right. Ask a question. Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Ask the question. Just ask the question. Gregoire: Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Seeker: Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Again. Put the hands like this and ask the question, with your heart. Ask the question again. Seeker: Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Again. Seeker: Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Now, heaviness is there? Close your eyes. Close your eyes. She started feeling it now. Close your eyes. Now you say, He is the Spirit. Just say that and it will establish. Very badly catching on the Agnya. Just tell Him. You have to say now, He is the Spirit. You are feeling the cool breeze a little bit. Now say, after experiencing, Aah? Gregoire: He says she feels cold. Shri Mataji: All right. Tell him to ask for the Holy Ghost. Gregoire: You speak English. Just ask, Mother, are you the Holy Ghost? Shri Mataji: Just ask. Gregoire: Just ask, don’t think about it, Mother! Are you the Holy Ghost? Seeker: Mother! Are you the Holy Ghost? [Shri Mataji works out the man with some mantras]	null	null	null	Public Program in Zurich (Switzerland), 29 September 1980. [introduction] Gregoire: I would like to introduce very quickly Sahajayoga and Mataji. It is beautiful thing to do, it is not an easy one to introduce Sahajayoga. It is not an easy one because there are many, many propositions in the sale of spirituality, which are running in the market, hence Switzerland is a very unfortunate country, very unfortunate, because Switzerland is rich country. Being a rich country all the people who have been attracted by money had come down here. We have gone with Sahaja Yoga in countries like Portugal and Spain and there we have noticed that many hundreds of people got their self-realisation without any problem. One of the reasons was that none of these people had been exposed to any of the false prophets, which today occult gurus. In Switzerland it’s very different because most of the fake gurus have taken the head quarters in Switzerland. So first of all at the level of cybernation, at the level of energy, there is a lot of negativity and whenever people come they have a lot of problems. So we should be, may be proud that our trains are running on time, very happy that this itself, we should, however may be aware that there are other problems that they are very much there in our shoulders in this country. This is one reason for which that there are so few people here, whereas everywhere else there are many hundreds of seekers who have come together for self-realisation. Because, with Mataji, what is the whole thing about is not brain-washing you, giving a pep talk on Kundalini, Chakras and Spirit. It is not giving you a lecture on spiritual achievements. What Sahaja Yoga is about is to let you actually experience your own self-realisation and self-realisation is that is, is what has been promised by all the great spiritual leaders such as such as Guru Nanak such as Mohammed, such as Lao Tse, such as of course, Socrates and Lord Jesus Christ. Several realisation is happening. Now Mataji is the only person, I know a lot of people, I went to California I mean I have met all kind gurus. Mataji is the only person who come Her own and say that I will give you your self-realisation. She is the only One who does it because She is the only One who has the power to say so. And indeed every time is happens that after a program of Sahaja Yoga, many, the majority of the people lead the whole having felt their self-realisation. What it is Mataji will explain to you, more in details. What have you just try to say may be that, we have all been looking for this thing. We have all been seeking. Actually in my generation, when you were throwing stones at policemen, it was not human. May be the most intelligent thing we did in the nineteen sixties, but it was not totally purposeless either. I mean, basically there has been a generation, which has been seeking something, members of which today are nicely settled down as director of insurance agencies say is well, was all nicely, was all wrong. It’s not true. It’s not true that the quest is meaningless, it is not true that it reached nowhere. The quest has a meaning, the meaning of this quest, the meaning of our life. The meaning of our life is to find the ‘Self’. And whoever has all the great pictures of mankind know this, know that outside of the self there is no happiness, there is no fulfillment, you can seek it in power, in wealth, in woman, in whatever you like, you won’t get it, because the ‘self’ is joy and the ‘self’ is the source of joy. Now who can give you self-realisation? Who can give? Not an ordinary one. This is very important, it has question. Because when we face the extra-ordinary or when we relay to the design we need push it back in to the past. So everybody become a great Catholic or a great Mesuline [NOT CLEAR] or great Ayatulla or great Silopro [NOT CLEAR], because it’s very easy to live with a divine personality when the personality is no more. Because can you do whatever you like with it? You are no more confronting with it. Or you push it in the future. So you are the Jeodar [NOT CLEAR] witnesses, which are waiting the Christ to come or Hare Krishnas who are waiting for Krishna to come and they gather regularly to say now He is coming on such and such date and as He does not come they say we prayed so much but He didn’t come. You know, it’s all a bit foolish and He does not or He does is not the point…. [NOT CLEAR]. The point is that we have now to experience what we have been seeking for and experience it in the present. And to face Mataji in the present is not difficult at all. What it requires is just to be open. To be open, to be aware that belief is not the point, understanding is not the point, the point is to become what we want to become. The point is to become that part of our ‘Self’, which is within us. To face Mataji we need no more than this, this honesty, this seeking and also a drop of humility, because it’s not a market place. None of us need you, very frankly. We don’t need your money. We have plenty of it, I mean because we are working. We don’t need social status, by the grace of God we are born in families who are all right. We don’t need popularity, neither does Mataji need all these. She is born in a royal family, She is the wife of one of UN General Secretary. She has everything that you can wish as a human being. She is a mother, a grand mother. She is of course a married woman. This is a very different background mind you than other gurus, most of them were train collector or this kind of thing. The reason I explain you this is that you must realize that one has to see the whole picture of someone. Everybody has come to Mataji as a human person, has seen Her absolutely compassionate. Knowing the problems of all kind of human beings never ending, Her husband disclose that She knows the pain that She knows also the fullest details of problems of the painter who has to come to you know paint the wall of a flat. And he is a drunkard and he has a problem with his wife and Shri Mataji helped him and very much so. She has knowledge of human beings, in the human quality, which is amazing and She is led in this understanding by a boundless compassion. And also She very much as amicable, thus [NOT CLEAR] super human knowledge. What Mataji will talk about this evening is very human because it handles our being, emotional, mental, physical, spiritual, and it’s also super-human because it is the way we can reach that higher level of awareness which has been promised by, again by Christ and by all the other incarnations. Mataji is not a saint, Shri Mataji is not a leader, She is not a guru, She is, I don’t dare saying She is not a Mother, because She is that, but I would like to say that She is all these and much more. And please forgive me if I push it through you straight now so that we are always in time. Let’s not done a lies [NOT CLEAR], let’s not a false shyness, let’s not try to make trivial some thing, which is actually safer. I have approached Mataji like all others, I mean with a lot of questions in my mind, very analytical, extremely skeptical, ups and downs, ups and downs for … [NOT CLEAR]. And She will own on experimental basis I could check every thing, which She is teaching, and above all I could see how positively I have been changing in my own life. This doesn’t mean anything to you because you didn’t know me five years ago that five years ago I was in trouble. I was back from the US, I had a lot of all kind of analytical things in my system, wrongs, other things. And I was pretty normal, I mean I had done my studies, all that was quite there. That I was pretty abnormal, because I could not stop thinking any more. I was a very disturbing sign. Now I am very much in I can say very quietly because it is simply true. This you know it happens or it does not happen that if it happens you know someone very great has worked it out. So you are facing now someone, who is of boundless compassion and who is also very, very great power. Who that person is, is also no mystery because the meeting with your ‘Self’ is triggered by the awakening of a energy, which is the energy of the Holy Spirit within us, energy which is called Kundalini in Sanskrit. And it is written in the scriptures that, that energy can be raised by a very, very high guru after many, many lives of practices. That coincides with the Markandeya puran and in the writings of Shri Adi Sankaracharya. It is written very clearly that this energy is vision by the wave power of Bhagawati. Bhagawati is a name for Divine Mother. Divine Mother is all about for Holy Spirit. And it’s very simple, I don’t know how to avoid saying it. You can’t have a father and you can’t have a son without having a mother somehow. I mean, so that’s it. Everything I say is no matter of faith, it’s no matter of belief. You are not meant at all to accept any of my words. My words are just supposed to bring in, I profess it to you, which is very cheerful because it says this hypothesis that there is here some one sitting down here who has the power to raise my Kundalini, who is a divine personality and this I really would like to emphasize. And I am fortunate enough to meet Her. It is may be our sorrow that there are many more of you, which are here this evening that it doesn’t really matter because in this realm it’s really the quality of the seeker who comes. We never were in the circus I mean never there, that those who are seeking will come there. Mother I think I should end up here … Shri Mataji: It was very nice of Gregoire to introduce Me in this manner. Actually, this is the second time I am coming to Switzerland. It’s such a beautiful country that surprisingly all the negative forces are attracted towards it, and they want to spoil the beauty of the Lord. But even among human beings we can see how people have become so reckless in this country, such a beautiful country where God has blessed you with everything, that the rate of suicides in this country are today the highest. We have to think about it, why young people of this country try to suicide? It’s a very sad thing. You have taken everything for granted, not to understand that there are some undercurrents, which are throwing us towards our self-destruction, towards our complete frustration. I have been studying human nature since ages I should say. In modern times, the human nature has changed very speedily, because the speed has taken over time. Specially, in all the developed countries lots of things have been written, lots of ideas have been floated, and people have taken a line of thinking in most of these that life is futile. It’s not worth living. . The reason is, you cannot live with what you have. Within yourself there is a seeking of the beyond. You cannot be satisfied with what you have. That seeking lurks within you . Even if you try to avoid it by, say, going to some little place , or reading some book, going to the church, going to the temple, doing this and doing that but you cannot be satisfied unless and until you have achieved your self knowledge, unless and until you have become your own ‘Self’. It is not possible, because you are meant to get it. Sahaja means that, Sahaja means one that is born with you. This urge is born within you, you are born with the urge. As you have the urge to eat, in the same way this urge, which is a very subtler urge, is becoming so evident in modern times. In most of the developed countries, that people do not understand why, why is it they are committing, these people are committing suicide. The thing is from inside they are seeking something. They are not sure as to what they are seeking. They are very weak and when they approach the subject of seeking, may be they are lost in this big universe, and they don’t understand how to get it. On the contrary in the East, I would say especially in India, thanks to the climatic conditions of India that people didn’t have to fight the nature so much. They have been practising meditation in the forest since ages and they have been able to discover many things about our being within and what is our seeking. Actually why are we born. This question has been looked into, in the same way as you have looked into the scientific research in the modern countries. And they have been able to see within themselves that there is a power called as Kundalini in the triangular bone, which is the source by which our germination takes place, our second birth takes place. For example, for all of you, Bible is the book and if Christ is the ideal, then Christ has said many a times that you have to seek. Actually the message of Christ's life is seeking. The message is the rebirth. He has talked about it often , often, but some how that seeking has been stopped as if people felt that thats’ss not possible so forget it. But you cannot forget it because this is natural to us. As it is natural for you to be a human being, it is absolutely natural for you to be something more than that. If you do not achieve it, not today, tomorrow you will have to come to a point and you will have to find out what is the reason, why am I here, what am I doing, what is the purpose of my life? Is it meaningless, or is it just to earn some money, live well and die? The question should be asked by the scientist, why we are created out of a amoeba, a unicellular animal into human being? Why? Why this big process of evolution took place within us? And what is the purpose of this human being who is half baked yet, who does not know, who knows half, who does not know half, what ever he knows he knows through his rationality, but there is no actual understanding, actuality within us, to know whether there is spirit or not. Are we to believe that all those people who talked of the spirit and of the second birth were false people or they were just trying to misguide us? They were not. They are absolutely truthful about it. The problem is they are born on the tenth story and they see something, which the people on the ground floor can not see. That’s why they crucify them, they kill them, they poison them, they never accept them. And this is the reason something has to be done to the common masses that they reach at least the first or the second story to see that some thing beyond. This is very important and the time has come as I always say the blossom time has come. Now we went to, say Madrid is a place I had never been there, we just put an advertisement, we had about hundred people and most of them got realisation. Just like that. They can, because the time, when the time has come that maturity has reached, many flowers have to become the fruit. It’s a living process, it’s a living process of transforming you into something else which is the fruit of this age. The process is working out from the very beginning from ancient times till you have come to the human stage and now you have to become that where you start understanding this divine power, which has worked it out. Everything is Sahaja. It’s spontaneous. Sahaja is born with you. Like in the seed there is the map of the whole creation, which is going to be there. In the same way within you lies all the map, everything how far you have to go. Now the question is what have we to seek? We have to seek our Spirit. Now what can we do about it? Actually we cannot do anything about it. That’s the fact. Because to become a human being what did you do? Did you stand in your heads or read some books. Nothing. It just happens. It’s spontaneous. It's God’s grace that has made you human beings and you are going to be something else also because of the same ways. You cannot do anything about it once you know this fact that it is effortless. All living processes are effortless. For example a flower becomes a fruit without any effort. It is spontaneous. In the same way you also achieve that state, effortless. Is a fact. Those people, who tell you, give us ten francs and we will teach you how to reach to God, better tell them there is no ticket. There is no way of doing it. If they tell you that you stand on your heads, three days you will become self realised, it’s absolutely wrong, because, if it is a living God and the living process, it cannot be manufactured or it cannot be put into it (unclear). But it is very difficult for people to understand that you can achieve anything without paying for it, specially where Zurich and all these places where banking is the main thing. (section unclear) You see we can, I have a banking even of God. But you cannot purchase God. You cannot purchase it. You cannot perceive it. You cannot organise it. If you want to organise God, you are sadly mistaken. He organises you. He looks after you. It is his grace that is wanted. It is not that you can make God to think, but it is He who should do it out of His grace and love for you. It is a very different thing, while the fake people have just floated a market. Just imagine, market of God. It is all predicted in all the scriptures that they will be coming and they will be saying I am Christ, I am Christ and they will be floating a market. But this is the one thing one should see, those who have floated the market can not be Christ. Cannot be anything Divine. This first thing one should find out, if the person is trying to make money out of you, selling God then he has nothing to do with God. With God he is anti. This is first thing one has to do. It has to be compassion, it has to be love. And compassion, which just flows, which doesn’t ask for anything, just flows. It just emits from your being. Just, just to give and not to receive anything on the other. As you remember, once somebody touched Christ cloth and he said the energy has passed into the person. Its like that. It’s flowing through. All the time it’s flowing, it is to be received with an open mind and to achieve what you have to achieve. Like the Sun’s rays are received by the flower to become the fruit. What does the flower do? Nothing, it just receives the power of the Sun and becomes the fruit. In the same way this happens and He has very nicely placed within us, all these different things just to achieve the results. Now as you see here, there are seven centres are shown in this picture out of which the lowest one is placed below the Kundalini, it’s placed below the germinating power. This one is placed here. This is your innocence. You were born in innocence. First the human beings were born in innocence. (inaudible) This is the centre of your innocence. We all were born innocently. And this represents the quality within us, which is absolutely pure, which is purity. And above the Kundalini, the rest of the centres are there which they denote our different ascent in our evolution. Vertically it is the evolutionary process and horizontally it is our subtle and subtler and subtlest development of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual being. So as you see these centres exist within us, in our spinal cord, then in our brain and then in the limbic area, which is encircled on top of the head. These centres are actually subtle centres but they manifest themselves outside as gross plexuses. For example the lowest one, which is called in Sanskrit language as Mooladhar chakra. It manifests your pelvic plexus. The second one, which is called as Swadishthan chakra manifests as your aortic plexus. The third one, which is called as Manipur is manifested as solar plexus. Then higher than that is the, what you call the heart centre, you can call as a Hriday chakra is manifested as your cardiac plexus. Then, here is the centre, which is called as Vishuddhi chakra is manifested outside as cervical plexus. On top here is a very subtle centre between your pituitary and pineal body, which is called, as Agnya chakra, is a very important centre, is the centre of Christ. And on top here in between here is the centre of we can say, we call it Sahastrara means a.. we can say the centre of one thousand petals, Sahastrara. And this is the centre of your limbic area, which is responsible for opening the top most point here in the fontanel bone, which is called as the Brahmarandhra means, the whole of the divine power where in through which we enter into the subtle awareness of divinity. This is baptism. This is actual baptism. Not a false one, where just somebody comes from the theological college, brings some water, puts on your head and says now you are baptized. That’s not actual, because Kundalini hasn’t risen with that, because the person has to have authority from God’s college. If the person doesn’t have that authority, if a person is not enlightened already, he cannot enlighten another person. It’s a very simple thing, like a candle which is not enlightened cannot enlighten another candles. It has to be enlightened to enlighten another candles. In the same a way person who is not enlightened cannot raise the Kundalini. You have to be an enlightened person, a realised person, a person who is twice born, a person who is called also as brahmin in India. Of course its all words as called. Even Christian means the person who is baptised. Baptised in the real sense and not in an artificial. Artificially if you suppose I take a telephone and starts dialling and there is no connection, will it work? It is a very simple thing. The one who has no connection with the Divine has no right to raise the Kundalini, he cannot. Whatever you may try it won’t act. Because, She understands. She knows everything, She coordinates everything, She works out everything, She is your mother and She loves you very much. So She knows who is the person who is responsible and that’s how spontaneously the Kundalini rises. You are just made ready. No instrument is there. It’s like a computer, it’s all ready. Just to be put to the mains. And once it is put to the mains you are surprised at the manifestation of your own. Like I would say in this place, you can say that there is a lot of music and lot of scenes and things like that and there is a lot of colour. But you won’t believe till you have a television set and you put it and plug it to the mains, you start the manifestation of the television and you get surprised. In the same way you are an instrument most beautifully made. Absolutely so beautifully made that once you discover it you will be amazed as to what you are. The reason is the self-esteem, its not possible because you have not known your elf, you have not known your self, you have not known your own beauty and your values. I can see that spirit, I see that diamond sparkling in you. And I know that with little patience I will work it out, the clouds will go away and you will shine in your own beauty. It works out through this awakening of the Kundalini. Now there have been also many gurus who are talking of raising the Kundalini. I mean whatever you talk they are there. Like everything has a plastic reproduction, in the same way even about God in modern times your plastic production of everything. Now they will say we raise the Kundalini, we do this and we do that – then why do you take money? If it is a living process why do you need money? It just flows automatically. Why should you take money for that? Or why should you in any way connect it with material? If it is spiritual, you cannot exchange material for the spiritual. It is very necessary, specially in Switzerland for people to know that how these gurus are exploiting. But still despite the fact so many things have been found out. Last time when I came to Switzerland, Gregoire has taken Me to one of the gurus place and he showed Me this is one of the gurus place. And within eight days time he was caught by the police and I was surprised that he had a nurse who had poisoned some people and all that, and he was caught by the police. But still people believe in such things because they are mesmerised. They do not want to give it up. Now in England recently a guru came from America and he has already got fifty-eight Rolls Royce’s, imagine. Fifty-eight Rolls Royce’s. And he wrote to them that if you give me a Rolls Royce, I will come to you. So these poor things starve themselves the whole year. These are seekers, these are real seekers, you see, mesmerised by these horrible, satanic people and they starve themselves and after a year this fellow came in. They gave him a Rolls Royce. When some of the Sahaja yogis went and asked, why did you do it? they said, you see, he has given us something special, we live in another world, you see, because mesmerised person lives is like a mad man, he doesn’t know where he is living, and, he has given us that. So we just give him what, metal. What is Rolls Royce, is matter. We give him matter and he gives us spirit. There is no exchange like that. You cannot exchange spirit for matter. Spirit stands by itself, by its beauty, by its glory. You cannot exchange it for anything and you cannot force it to express itself. It has to happen. There has to be a happening within. Then only we can feel the spirit in our attention. The thing is so far we have got our nervous system and that nervous system we are aware of. We know how to increase the rate of our heart, supposingly jump or run, the heart increases in its rate. But automatically it comes. Now when we say it comes down automatically people say there is an autonomous nervous system that does it. Now who is this auto? Autonomous system means there is some auto. Now who is this auto? Which auto is doing this job? That they cannot answer. And then they say, o that part we do not know. I mean they are very honest about it. But if somebody can say that through meditation we know who is this auto, they don’t want to believe it. Because, I am talking of an unlimited sphere, where you become absolutely collective, you become unlimited. Because now through you starts flowing unlimited force, the unlimited energy of God’s love. You cannot reach there through this limited rationality. When you try to rationalise it either you will go to the left or to the right. Left and right, there are two areas within us. And these two are really dangerous. You have to go on top of the head. On the left hand side we have the area, which we call as collective subconscious. All that is dead within us since the creation resides in that area. Recently, to My amazement I saw a program in the BBC where they showed that cancer is caused by some sort of a protein matter that invades us from the areas unknown to us within ourselves, which were built since that age (check). And these are the areas we have got within us according to Sahaja Yoga and that’s why Sahaja yoga can cure cancer. Because when the attention through the help of the Kundalini raises and enters into the realm of the spirit, which is here, then you cannot go to the left or right but you keep to the centre. Once you try to go too much on the left or too much on the right then there is an invasion on both the sides and you can become overactive, so active that you cannot stop your thinking. Gregoire was one of the victims of such a such an attack on him, because he went all out for his searching to all sort of people he went and there I found that he was caught up and he could not stop his thinking, his mind was going on like a like a mad horse and when he came to Me he was in a very bad shape. Now this comes from the right hand side movement. But it can come also from the left hand side movement. Anyway if you move away from your central being, you fall into the area where you are attacked. Now cancer can be cured through Sahaja yoga. I have been saying this for so many years. Of course we have done it. Also for your information I can tell you that our president, president of India was cured through Sahaja Yoga. His cancer was cured. He had a cancer, he went to America and the whole, the operation was unsuccessful. He was just dieing. He came to London and there I happed to meet him for ten minutes. You can write to him and find out. And he was perfectly alright. But the trouble is people don’t believe it. Even the doctors, when they come to Me, they are very sceptical. But once they get a cancer they come to Me to get cured. The trouble is the whole thing is unbelievable. It is such a dynamic thing, it is such a fantastic thing that people cannot believe it. Only thing you should know that there is a power, all pervading, which exists all around, which thinks, which understands, which coordinates. We do nothing. Human beings have this ego for nothing at all. They really don’t do anything. For example, what do we do is to making a chair. Just a tree is there. We make it into a chair – a dead into a dead. Any living thing do we do? Can we transform a flower into fruit? You can’t. Billions and billions of such things are done every moment on this earth and is done through this divine power of God. We have to feel that, we have to become that. We have to be instruments. God has specially made this instrument in such a way that ultimately you get connected to the whole. Once you get connected you start feeling your working on collectivity. Your awareness becomes different, from your hand cool breeze starts flowing and energy starts flowing. And you can feel another person through this cool breeze. You can feel it, what centres there are catching. You can see on the hands we have shown. When these centres are enlightened how these sympathetic centres on our hands, you can feel it and you can find out what’s the matter with another person. What centre is catching, where is the problem, what we have to do. It’s an integration of a person, completely because these, all the centres represent our different beings. When the Kundalini passes through them, She pierces through them just like a thread through many pearls and integrates. But when She enters through this path, then she enters into this awareness, this dynamic awareness of which we become an instrument, which starts flowing, you can feel it. Then as Gregoire has said, he was really very sceptical [NOT CLEAR], he wanted to find out, he could not believe. Though you have heard about it, you know that there is a God’s power and all that but you could not believe it. So you try to experiment, you try to find out what Mother says is correct or not. And when he found out, then he was amazed. And that’s how he is a Swiss person and he felt that his country must know this and it has to happen in Switzerland also. Why not? I said all right, I will try to come. But you see how is the response, that people are enamoured in a materialistic country by the outward show and the service. God does not have any service, or outward show. It is what it is. What is there to show when it is there why should we show it off? But the trouble is that you have to talk and tell them about the people who are trying to enamour them because they are seekers, that you do not seek God in the way you seek other things. For God you have to have a happening within you, an actual experience within you, it’s a real actualisation. Now why the happening is within us? Why should we deal without a happening? The thing is you are paying attention to Me now. If I say pay attention to yourself, you cannot do it. Because that’s not the way you can manage. Your attention is always outward, you cannot take it inside. Supposing something falls down, immediately your attention will be there. So when the Kundalini rises your attention, is attracted inside and it is actually pulled like a sari is pulled up and is taken to this place where there is seat of the spirit. But actually the spirit resides in the heart. Today is on My way to Rome. I have come here for one day. It’s an introductory lecture actually and I do not want to cover the whole subject because the subject is too big. And whatever I may say has no meaning unless and until you get yourrealisation. That’s one thing. That is that you must get your realisation. But that it will happen to you cannot be promised. Will happen, may not happen, but should happen to all of you. It has happened to so many people. Why not to you? It should happen to all of you. But for that you have to keep your mind absolutely open. Because it is proven, it is fantastic, it is proven. But this you have to have. This is your own right to have. So Yoga means the union. This union you have to have. This is in your own right as a human being, in your own right as a seeker you have to get it. And if not today you will come tomorrow, if not tomorrow you will come some other day. Those who are all seeking this way here and there will be all disillusioned and will come to Sahaja Yoga. But when you go round here and there you get hurt. There are problems. I have seen some people have Kundalini, which is just wounded and She just moves on, banging Her head here and there and She cannot rise. She is wounded, She is bleeding andit is only because these satanic people have done something to Her. And there are so many ways they know how to ruin your chances of realisation. Now one may say what is My interest? Its only I should say, ‘My will’. I do not know, because I have no interest at all about anything. It’s only that I have to give. What is the interest of the, of the Sun in giving us light? It’s just giving because that’s the nature of a person. That’s the nature of the Sun that it has to give. That’s how it works. There is no other interest but that. Of course when I see so many flowers turning into the fruits naturally, it’s such a joyous thing and it should happen because this is the last judgement. This is how you are going to be judged through the awakening of your Kundalini. This is the last judgement. There is not going to be somebody standing with a, a weighing machine and weighing you. It is the Kundalini, which is the centre point, which is the central point, what you call pointer by which you will be judged, all of you. And you will judge yourself. But this judgement is not the way people think, that it is a second judgement. Though the Kundalini rises in split of a second, but you will be given complete chance to correct yourself, to be alright, and that is what it is. On such a one-day lecture I think I have said quite a lot about the Kundalini and tried to cover-up most of the points. But in details we will be dealing with when I come back here for three days and we will have to do something about it. Now, if you have any questions please ask Me. That’s a good thing, because unless and until you ask Me questions I don’t know what are the problems. And then we see how many of you can get realisation. In a way it is good on the first day that you get it, because you can go better. So not to feel unhappy about it. You see because you get so unhappy, see these people, because they have got it they want to share it with you. Because they have found it so they want to do it. And they are just like you, very ordinary normal people as you are all of them and nothing special about them to look at. But they have changed their lives, they are transformed. They are very happy people and they are doing this work themselves. So that’s how they feel little unhappy about it that the people in Zurich have not given a response. But I am not, because thats the beginning is always so small, always and sometimes it can be the sign of the biggest thing. For example if you see the biggest tree in India is called as Ashvattha. It’s a tree, which has such a small little seed, such a small little seed,but it is the biggest tree. So it starts with a small seed. There is nothing to feel bad about it. It’s better to have people of quality, few of them, than to have many without any quality without any sense in them. So I would say that you should feel quite happy about whatever is there. We have very nice people and if they get realisation,if they settle downis going to work out very well. May God bless you. Now please ask Me questions. It’s important because today we have some time, and it would be a nice idea to know about what people think in Zurich. Seeker: You told us about baptism, I am a Roman catholic. Roman catholic belief says, You said ‘just doing with water’ that doesn’t mean anything. That certain persons can do that, not all persons do that. In the Roman catholic belief says everyone can do it. The water is just the outside sign, and doesn’t mean very much. The spirit of God that should come in.Why is it that You say not everyone can do it? Shri Mataji: Now I will tell you, I know this problem I have been facing throughout, because Catholicism is a very strong hold everywhere. So I am not surprised at your question. But I will tell you. You see, now I will tell you that supposing there is a policeman standing on the road and he stops you, you stop your car. But supposing somebody says I am the policeman, will you stop your car? Supposing he believes, he has a belief that ‘I am the policeman’, will you stop your car? He has to have authority. Now, from where do you get your authority? You have to get it from God. Now what is the sign? Christ has said again and again and again and again that you have to seek yourself, you have to be born again. Which Catholic people are doing that? You see, just tell Me. Just tell Me very frankly. I have not seen any Catholic person who is seeking God. They are only satisfied with going to Church, coming home, nothing else. By reading Bible what have they achieved? Ages together now we have had Catholicism. Nobody is a realised soul. On the contrary I was amazed now (name) is another Catholic who was with Me before her. I tell you in Madrid they were at least hundred twenty people, all of them got realisation except for one doctor and why? I asked him and these people told Me he is a Catholic. It’s a fanaticism. Belief is our mental attitude. Why do you believe? I tell you why do you believe in Christ though I am absolutely that? But I would say Why do you believe in Holy Ghost also? Have you seen it? Have you felt it? Ask for it, ask for the real. If you live with something belief, you will die with it. Ask for the real. If there is Holy Ghost, if there is Divine power, you should feel it. I think all the Catholics should ask, where is that that is promised. What about the second birth? How long? You see your father was a Catholic, his grandfather was a Catholic, her great grandfather was a Catholic, the whole progeny has been of Catholic. What have they done? What have they achieved? You see, we have to see that we have are to be born again. We are to be born again. [Side A Ends] Saintly life, all that is there. But Christ came. Why was it necessary for Christ to come when Moses has told all these things? Why did He come? He came to give His message of resurrection. He came for you to know that you have to become the spirit. You are to be born of your spirit. That was it. Now how many of these people who are baptising are ‘born again’? This is the point. Today, sir you are accepting Catholicism, but your children won’t. In London, people are selling their Churches. I mean what a shame? I mean I feel hurt about it because this is Christ’s work and because you have not put forward the real thing it is going to fade out, everywhere. Everywhere it is going to fade out. Now I live just in front of a cathedral in London. And they are going to start a discotheque. Really it is a fact. I mean imagine what a thing it is! Because they want to attract the young people. Now I have so many young people as My disciples in Europe and in India. I do not have to keep them attracted because they are attracted because of the truth that they are spirits. Give them the truth. It’s the living God you have to give them. Do not talk, give sermons, this that, what’s the use? Tell Me what’s the use. Everybody believes in this thing that ‘I have met Christ’. All nonsense. Unless and until you have the power, unless and until you become real Christian, it is no meaning. Then what happens? Then you start feeling others. You know, what’s the matter with the person. You can feel. The energy flows through. You can raise the Kundalini, this living thing you can. You can see with your naked eyes, this Kundalini pulsating. You can see it rising with your naked eyes, which is a living thing, which you cannot do. So far human beings cannot do anything living. After realisation, they can do it. Have they created living people, any living experience? Nothing, all dead. I have nothing against Catholicism as such, but where are you going? Do you know how far you have come spiritually? After realisation, you know, you know where you are. You know what chakra is catching, where are you, how to raise it. You see there is nothing like Christ coming, somewhere hanging in the air. It’s a big tree of life. Christ was the fruit of that tree. You must know others also. He said that those who are not against me are with me. Who are those? Who are those about whom he said? He said I will appear before you like tongues of flames. You really see your chakras like tongues of flames. Now let the preachers explain, they cannot. They have their own interpretation. All mental. It is not mental, is the vibratory awareness, which is going to give you the interpretation. For example, if I ask you, is this gentleman realised or not. Can you tell Me? Can any please say whether he is realised or not? But he can say, whether you are or not, or which priest is. And you don’t know what is happening in priesthood also. One should face it. It is very clear-cut because now I am getting priests as my disciples. And when I see them I am surprised, they said that from inside they are getting absolutely choked up. This every day confessions and things coming to us and we want to seek. There are so many priests who go to India in ordinary dresses for seeking. They are going all over the places for seeking. Because they are human beings, they want to seek. I had, in Chiros (Unclear: not sure of location) we had priests who came to us for seeking. And they, they have got their gurus in India and the guru one she told Me, he told me was a realised soul. How will you know? What I am saying there’s no way of knowing. You are in a blank. So what will happen? Tomorrow your children will be born with intelligence, they will not accept any blind faith. They will say, ‘Give us the proof of what you said.’ They’ll say, ‘We do not even accept Bible.’ Give us the proof. So somebody has to give the proof. I am here to establish everything, which is being refused by everyone. I am here to prove everything, prove your scriptures, and prove Christand prove the whole thing that is the truth. I am not here to establish a Church, which is just built on bricks. But every human being is a Church. That’s what I am here to prove. And what these people have proved is nothing. I went to Shah (Unclear: location unknown), such a nice beautiful temple they have made. There is not a single person who is thinking of God. Not a single person thinking of seeking. They are just watching all the paintings, this, that. Nobody has anything in them. One should understand that we have to find solution. We have to give meaning to God’s creation. We should not end up into something else. I would suggest that you first get your realisation. The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. Now I am very happy that being a catholic person, you have come and you are seeking as a quest. That’s a very great thing. And once you get it, then you will realise what I am talking. It’s a new dimension, which has to come within us of reality. Not of unreal things. It is so unreal when you start seeing it from here that you are shocked and you are surprised. For your information, I took My birth in a Christian family, for the same reason. So many people ask Me, why did you take, in India specially, because most of My disciples are Muslims and Hindus and not Christians. They are forbidden. They are absolutely forbidden to go to somebody else you see. So there are all kinds. Even Muslims. I have got disciples in Algeria, Morocco, but I have no disciples who are Christians. Only those, who are your young people, who are real seekers. Young people of Europe and of all the countries are real seekers. They do not accept anything blind floded. But for them these thugs have come and they have misused them. Catholicism got more importance because Protestants did not show any one. So they thought it is better to go to another thing than to be here. That’s how they got. But did you get your realisation? Did you get your second birth? Ask yourself. Why should you miss this chance? Better have it. Supposing you were born in India, you would not have been a Catholic. So is it denied? By joining a Church do you become a special person, do you think so? Do you believe in it? How many believes in such a thing? He does. You see, unless and until you belong to His group, you cannot be saved by God. This is all make believes. Only you will be saved by God if you are authorised. You must get your second birth. You must really get your real, living baptism. John the Baptist did that, tried it. He tried, didn’t work out, didn’t work out. He was the only person who was a realised soul. He tried. Of course, Christ was an incarnation no doubt, I can prove it to you where is Christ. Do you know where is Christ within us? Do you know? Catholics who has been talking so much about God, do they know where is Christ within us? Where is He placed within us? Where is He place? They do not know. He exists here, in the brain between the Pituitary and the Pineal. Now how do I prove it? When the Kundalini rises, if She stops here we have to say Lord’s Prayer. That’s the mantra of this centre. You have to say, ‘O Lord, Jesus Christ, please arise.’ Only a realised soul can say that and the Kundalini goes up. Actually Christ is really missing from most of the Christian missions because Christ is the person who controls our ego. These are all ego-oriented countries. Look at Him. He lived like an ordinary man. He was the son of a carpenter. Are we Christians, the way we live, the way we attach importance to material things? The centre here when the Kundalini crosses over, we become absolutely thoughtless. And the way to do it is to forgive, but not before anybody else, but before a realised soul. If you say, ‘Mother I forgive’, it works, Kundalini raises. The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. Whatever I say I will prove it. There is no mystery about it. And this is the best part of it. The mystery, they will say there is a mystery. Now if there is a mystery, what are you doing there? I mean, if it is a mystery for you that means you are blind. And the blind leading the blind, where will you land? It’s simple. You just think about it. I am here to complete His work. I am here to establish and to prove Him. Those who have not been able to prove Him should accept this and they will know that there is a way of proving Christ. It is such a vague thing that people talk of Christ so much and think of Him. But they have built their own castles, that’s the problem. They will follow, the time has come for these things to follow. People are going to challenge and ask, what about your rebirth? Even the water a realised soul touches becomes vibrated. Even the fire, it acts when you enlighten it. But you have to be a realised soul, that’s the main point is. To be born of your spirit. All right. This is the point is that it’s not talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. It’s something that should happen. Any other questions? Gregoire give Me some water. (Details for the next program in Zurich are given in German) Because, to establish yourself, your realisation, you have to come again. Of course, you will get realisation today, no doubt. But it is not established in most of the people in Western countries, because they think about it. I mean, how can you think about a flower becoming a fruit? We do not think about it. But your realisation you start thinking, there are ramblings. So then the Kundalini again goes down. Again you have to raise it. So I would suggest that even if you get realisation today, please come back again. Bring more friends, more people. This is to be given to all the people. This is what they are seeking and they have to have it. Any other question? Seeker: You say you can feel it and the in hands are the green finger and the blue one and the yellow [NOT CLEAR] How is it different in the chakras? Shri Mataji: Yes, Yes. You see in all our hands, there are five, one two three four five and six and seven centres are there. And they get enlightened. This is the seven. This is the seventh, the Sahasrara, here. And this is the first. First and the second and the third and the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh. This is the centre of Christ. See, if somebody is thinking too much then this centre will be burning, you will feel it. That’s all. You know there was one gentleman, a English one, who first came to Me. He got his realisation and he could not believe it you see. This is too fantastic for him to believe. But he started getting burning here. So he said Mother, what does this mean? I said this is your father’s centres because right hand is father’s, left hand is mother’s. And father’s centre is also within us. Now, I said this is your father’s and this is the centre of your Vishuddhi, here the throat. So if it is burning, that means your father must be down with bronchitis. This is the centre as I told you. Immediately he telephoned to his father in Scotland. Father didn’t come to the phone, the mother came. And he asked the father, about the father. She said, he is down with bronchitis. This is the sentence she said. And you can cure sitting down here, you can, because it is all connected. All your inter communications and all that have come from the same. You can work it out. There is a letter I received just before coming. There is an Australian gentleman who got his realisation. And he has written to Me, he is going to come and see Me in Germany. And he said that, I must thank you very much. His wife, his wife, wife’s sister was suffering from epilepsy. Since the day I got my realisation she is all right. Her epilepsy was cured. We have cured so many patients from epilepsy, you can’t imagine. People have given up drinking, smoking, drugs, because you find that source, which is the source of joy. Then you give up all these things. It should happen. I don’t have to tell people not to do this and do that. Just goes out. Because once you have found that, the nectar, the ambrose, you don’t want to care for other things, you are not bothered. You are never bored. Because you live in the present, you just enjoy yourself. The spirit enjoys by itself. But when your attention enters into it, enlightenment of its enjoyment comes into your attention and you start enjoying yourself. This has happened to these young people here who are sitting down and should happen to all of you. It is fantastic. God is extremely fantastic. Tremendous He is, His ways and methods, you have not yet felt. Once you feel it, you will be amazed how He looks out. Every moment to moment, what joy and what happiness! So that I am going to tell you when you come next everything in details, I will tell you what is what and what is there. Nothing is going to be kept a secret or a mystery and you yourself will know what is happening. Even a child of say three years or four years, if he is a born realised child, he can say that this is the centre or this is the centre, you can feel it. He may not know the name but he’ll tell you the centre. It is fantastic, no doubt. Now what is it ? You have any question? [Seeker says something which is not clear] My question which I am trying to neutralise is reincarnation. Shri Mataji: To be. That’s it. You are just there. You are saying the same thing. [Seeker: My question was, the Eastern world is passive because it has have and to be, and the Western world is active because it has had and not be. With the reincarnation as You see it, is it active or passive?] Shri Mataji: You become in the centre. You are neither passive nor active, you just watch, you become a witness of the whole thing. You see it’s a situation in which you are in the centre. For example, I will tell you a very simple example, which will explain your question is this. When a person does something, he thinks I am doing it. All right? If somebody doesn’t do it, he says I am not doing it. But supposing the Sun, he just emits, he is in non-action, he is doing nothing, he is just emitting. You go into a state where it becomes akarma where you do not do anything. By doing something you develop your ego. By not doing something you develop your super ego. But by becoming realised it just emits. You become a hollow personality. You are not there. It’s a very sweet story of Radha and Krishna, I will tell you. Once Radha was jealous of the flute of Shri Krishna and she said what is so special that she is always at your lips. So Krishna said why don’t you ask her. It’s a symbolic story. She went and asked. She said, what is your speciality that you are always at His lips? The flute smiled, she said that, my speciality is that I have no speciality. I am not there, I am a hollow personality, His flute and I am flowing His melodies. People think I am doing it, but I am just a hollow personality. So, you are neither passive, nor active but you are doing it, it's happening. And you just see, your language changes, language changes. You say like that. Now for example if I ask Mathias to give you realisation, he will not say I am giving realisation, he will not say. He will say it’s not coming, it’s not going, it’s not working out. It. You become a third person. You understand now that point? [Seeker says something] Shri Mataji: In the present. No, No, when you are passive you are not in the present. When you are passive, you are in the past, when you are active, you are in the future. But when you are in the centre, in the present, then you are. You are. All right. Seeker: This being is not a static state because when the body and the abstract move with the same speed then one is static [Not Clear] prepares a new evolution. Shri Mataji: No. You see you have evolved sufficiently enough now. You are a human being is the last word now. Now the jumping is going to be something different. Like we have got in a spacecraft, we have got containers one into another. All right. The first container blasts off and sends another one with accelerated velocity, the second blasts off and sends the third one, like that goes on till the last one. Then when the last one blasts off, the body of the spacecraft goes into the realm of no space, I mean into the realm where there is no movement, in the sense that there is no gravity, it moves by itself. In the same way our evolution of our physical being, emotional being, mental being spiritual being is all blasted one after another. Now at this stage, the Kundalini throws you into that space where you become aware of that power and that power starts flowing through you. It’s a different state in which you enter, it’s a different state. By standing in this state you cannot understand that state. You have to reach there, you have to become. Once you become you are amazed at yourself. You understand My point? It is not rationally you can understand. I cannot make you understand what is there, because for, supposing a dog wants to know what is a human being. How to tell him? His awareness is different, ours is different. Now our awareness when it becomes that awareness what happens, the energy starts flowing through. And you develop a new awareness, which we call as vibratory awareness by which you feel others. You start feeling others. You start feeling others. You start understanding others. You feel them on your fingers. You feel their centres, you feel your centres and the Kundalini moves with your hand movements. It’s a different state in which you have to rise. Which you have to achieve, like if there is a microscope, you can see through it. Without the microscope how can I explain? You become that, when you become that, then only I can explain. You cannot resolve this conflict unless and until you become that. It cannot be explained through rationality. But is logical, its logical that you are made for some purpose. Once you become that one can understand. Even a child can understand if he is a realised child. And so many realised children are born these days, so many. They have a different awareness altogether. It’s a different awareness I am talking about, which is not yet being manifested. It has to manifest. Then you do not think, it just works without thinking. Actually when this centre opens out then you become thoughtless, there’s no thought. You actually see this thing going down. Just like a child, you get your fontanel bone depression there. You see that. Actually it happens. You can see clearly, you can feel it also. You can feel it on others, you can see the Kundalini rising with your own eyes, you can see with your naked eye. It is that truthful. All right. By thinking you cannot raise. By making parallel this thing you cannot make. Let us resolve it. Why not? All right? Just open yourself, little bit. It will work out. Just open yourself. Gregoire: Mother should we tell them to take out their shoes? Shri Mataji: I think we have to take out our shoes, because this Mother Earth helps us. You see Earth is one of the elements within us. The elements, when they go little bit here and there, you see we have a problem. Just take out the shoes and touch the ground. Now as I told you the centres are here. They are to be enlightened. You have to just put your hands towards Me like this. Just like this and close your eyes. It will work out in a split of a second. Do not think about it. Just your thought will stop itself. Keep yourself open and in awaiting state, just expect it to happen. It will happen. As you are just there, you have reached proper conclusion that you have to be. That is the right conclusion you have reached through your thinking. Please close your eyes. Just close your eyes. Closing eyes are necessary because when the Kundalini rises there is dilatation of the pupil and She won’t rise if your eyes are open. It’s just the opposite of mesmerism. First you will become thoughtlessly aware. Left heart. Now you have to forgive. First of all forgive everyone. You have to forgive everyone because it’s a myth, it’s a myth that you do not forgive, so please forgive. Just say Mother we forgive, we forgive. Forgiveness is a myth and we should not be identified with a myth. Close your eyes please. Close your eyes. For a while. Just for a while close your eyes. For a while, please close them properly. Just close them otherwise, Kundalini won’t rise you see after a certain point, please close. [That is your seat, please] just see, just see them, chakras they are catching, please all of you, you can see. Yes, just see them. Please keep your eyes shut. These people will tell Me what are the centres you are catching individually. It will work out. His left is very, very weak. Keep your eyes shut, all of you. Fully shut. Relaxed way, just relax, it is going to work out. She has got it. She’s got it. That’s it. You have to ask for forgiveness and then you have to say that, I have not paid so much attention to my spirit. You have to ask for forgiveness from God that, Spirit is the main thing I should have sought. I should have sought the spirit and nothing else but the spirit. So please forgive me. You have to believe in God who is your father, who is your protector, who looks after you, you don’t have to have any fears about Him. He is going to look after you. You just ask for His forgiveness. [Shri Mataji says something probably guiding how to work etc, may be but not clear/audible, Mahat Ahankara Sakshat mantra recited by Shri Mataji] Om twameva sakshat, Mahat Ahankara Sakshat She has got it. She’s got it. Mathias what do you say? Right heart? Ask him about his father. No. Right heart. She has got it. Good. She has got it. Let her enjoy herself. May God bless you. [CONVERSATION OF MOTHER AND YOGIS NOT CLEAR] Ask him to ask for self-realisation, Mother. Just ask him. It will work out. [CONVERSATION OF MOTHER AND YOGIS NOT CLEAR] Once more. Got it. Just feel it. Hot is coming. Hot is coming. [Inaudible voices of Mother etc.,] Let it come out. What do you say. Left. Mathias? Still? Ask him about his father. What do you say? Left heart. That’s catholicism. Now what about him? It will work. Just close your eyes. It will work. Hot? Cool? He has got it. He has got it. He is all right. Now, for him, he should say Nirmalavidya, for him, Nirmalavidya. [Gregoire says to Mother that eyes are flickering] Shri Mataji: Eyes are flickering? Ask him to keep his eyes open. And not to think. Just watch Me. Ask him to do like that, still. Did he go to some guru? Gregoire: Name of false guru, he is the one who has got 14years jail, Mother. Shri Mataji: Ask him to ask the question of a guru. He will be alright. Just ask a question. It will work out. It will neutralise. Seeker: Mother! Are you my Guru? Shri Mataji: Again. Seeker: Mother! Are you my Guru? Shri Mataji: Again. Seeker: Mother! Are you my Guru? Shri Mataji: Mathias. Passes into Vishuddhi, Nabhi. [MOTHER WORKING OUT] Aham Sakshat Adi Guru, Aham sakshat, Guru Mata Sakshat. Ha! All right. Close your eyes now. Let’s see. Let’s see if the flickering stops. You’ve got it very well. Tell him how to help you. He is all right. He has got it. Ah! You joined us. He has got it. Gregoire: It’s is the second son he comes. Shri Mataji: Aah, that’s how. Gregoire: He was in this room. Shri Mataji: He has got it. She has got it too. What about him? Heat is coming up. Cool na? Hot still? Ask him to put his left hand on his stomach, on the liver. Left hand. Liver, yes. What about this lady? Are you feeling any cool breeze? What’s she saying? [Conservation of yogi with the lady]. Heavy, are you feeling heavy? Seeker: Only my ring fingers. Shri Mataji: Are heavy, both the, both the fingers are heavy? Both the fingers? All right. Just a minute. Sakshat MahatOmkara. You believe in Christ? Then? You have to believe in Him. Why? He crucified himself. Why don’t you believe in Him? He is the one who is angry. Both the centres of Agnya. (inaudible) You just say, Mother, I believe in Him. It will work out. All right? Without him nothing can work out, impossible. [Conversation of Sahaja Yogi with lady goes on] Seeker: why? Gregoire: Because I tell you why? Shri Mataji: The centre is here. Gregoire: Because it will open your Agnya chakra for your sake not for His sake. RIght? You have to gain not Him, so you have to say. Shri Mataji: You have to believe in Him, because He is there. You cannot deny Him. That’s why you are catching both the centres. These, of this centre. How did I know that you don’t believe in Christ? All right. Because here is the centre catching. How did I know that he has a guru? You have to believe in Him. How could you deny him? You cannot. He is the Spirit. All right. Ask a question. Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Ask the question. Just ask the question. Gregoire: Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Seeker: Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Again. Put the hands like this and ask the question, with your heart. Ask the question again. Seeker: Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Again. Seeker: Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Mother, is Christ the Spirit? Shri Mataji: Now, heaviness is there? Close your eyes. Close your eyes. She started feeling it now. Close your eyes. Now you say, He is the Spirit. Just say that and it will establish. Very badly catching on the Agnya. Just tell Him. You have to say now, He is the Spirit. You are feeling the cool breeze a little bit. Now say, after experiencing, Aah? Gregoire: He says she feels cold. Shri Mataji: All right. Tell him to ask for the Holy Ghost. Gregoire: You speak English. Just ask, Mother, are you the Holy Ghost? Shri Mataji: Just ask. Gregoire: Just ask, don’t think about it, Mother! Are you the Holy Ghost? Seeker: Mother! Are you the Holy Ghost? [Shri Mataji works out the man with some mantras]
10/2/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=8478	The Last Judgment has started	Switzerland	Geneva	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	61	Geneva 2.10.80 The Last Judgement Sahaja Yogi: Mother I would not try to talk to You. May I ask You… Shri Mataji: They were very interested in your talk, [you know] [unclear]. Sahaja Yogi: I think I’ll carry on with translating. Shri Mataji: He spoke very well because you were so much interested; I could see that. Sahaja Yogi: I’m not translating this. Shri Mataji: And you could see from his heart, he feels so much for Switzerland… [French] Shri Mataji: I would say he is a real Swiss. He feels such concern about his fellow-being. Shri Mataji: We are all the seekers of truth. Today there is a big urge to seek the truth, because the Last Judgment has started. There were never so many seekers before. Very few used to seek and extremely few used to receive. But the blossom time has come and so many of them have to become the fruits. That is the plan of God Almighty. We have to see how Switzerland faces it. When we are seeking the truth we must know what we are and what we have to seek. The first premises must be that we are not yet there, where we should be. There is something missing. Now in a country like Switzerland where there is so much of affluence and people are very settled, still one finds that such a great rate of suicide exists in this country. Now every country has its own problems, but in that problem you can see the essence of its lacking. The lacking in all the affluent countries is that, that matter cannot be enjoyed. It can give you habits, enslavement, but it cannot give you joy. It can give you an ego pampering, but that happiness is combined with unhappiness. Those who also run away from all that are not happy. They have to rise above. How do you rise if there is no ideal beyond it? This is the seeking in the West. How to rise beyond matter? Because they are now understanding the value of matter; they are evolved to that point. We have to speak about the Spirit, Spirit which is being described by many saints, seers of ancient times. Christ has described it throughout. Moses came on this Earth to establish the sustenance for the human beings. He tried to tell people what human beings should do to be in the centre of life. But if that was the end of all our seeking there was no need for Christ to come. Christ came on this Earth to say that we have to seek our Spirit. The message of His life is His resurrection. On the Easter day we give eggs to each other. It is very symbolic. In Indian language a bird is called as khaga – Kha-ga – and also dwijaha. The first one means the one which goes in the sky, flies in the sky. The second one means the twice-born. And a realized soul is also called as dwijaha. Christ has talked about your second birth throughout. He has said you are to be born again. But I find in Christian nations there is no seeking. You cannot be satisfied unless and until you have had your second birth. That is how you are going to find out your Spirit. That is how you are going to become collectively conscious. That is how you are going to find meaning to your living. That is how you are going to find why the Lord has created this Universe. The scientists must ask a question to themselves: why human-beings were created out of an amoeba. Was that just a wasteful, a wasteful adventure of God? And what about all the sages who talked about your second birth? Were they all wrong when they said that you have to be born again? Krishna has said, “Yaa saa paschyati, saa pachyati,” meaning the one who can see, can see. I happened to meet a great saint in Cambridge, near Cambridge. He was one Mr. Mascaro, who has translated Gita and has written lots of books about Upanishada, Bible, and he’s a great poet, well-known writer. He told Me, “Mother, people can’t see. I have a friend who has got a Nobel Prize but he can’t see.” “What can he not see?” “He cannot see that this whole universe is regulated, organized, worked out and loved by the energy of God’s love.” The man in his freedom has chosen a path of enlightenment in a wrong way. The wrong way is to deny God to begin with. Those who do not deny God, accept some sort of a concept or a dogma. Truth is, lies in the centre. It is a spontaneous thing that has to happen within us to know the truth. By what concept did we become human beings from monkeys? Or by what denial did we become human beings? The whole evolution has taken place as if like a seed sprouting. And now at this stage if anything has to happen, has to be spontaneous. You cannot get it by reading, or by talking, or going to library, or by being a king or a big man somewhere. You get it by the happening within you. Today it was such a chance when I came from Rome and a very eminent doctor from India was travelling with Me in the plane, and he is very highly placed in W.H.O. He was just sitting next to Me. It happened or it happens, and he has heard about Me. He said, “Mother, can you give me realisation in the plane?” I said, “Why not?” And he got it. He got it there in the plane. But he knows that this is realisation, because though he is a doctor he is very well-equipped in Sanskrit and in the literature about realisation. He knows what it means. I did not have to argue or discuss it. When he got it he knew it was there. He said”Why not do it for the whole world?” I said, “You cannot force people to get it. They have to grow. They have to accept it. But people have so much of ego in your profession of medicine. In India they think they are all English or Swiss. So, how will they listen to Me? For them this knowledge is naïve.” He said, “That’s true.” He said, “I know the problem. But it will come the, once we know why the problems come to us”. The other problem that the West is facing is cancer. Now he knows that I have cured the President of India of his cancer. But how I cure is not so difficult to tell. It’s very simple. All the doctors are reaching very near us. So let us first see what we are within ourselves. And we are, on the left-hand side, this is the power of desire which makes our past, and this is the power of our action which goes for our future, and this is the centre of our sustenance. We have reached [missing part] All these centres, the subtle centres in the spinal cord and the brain start manifesting. You start feeling them on your fingers where is the problem, and also you can feel the others’. For example, Antoinette has got two children who are born-realised. Now these two little things can immediately say what chakra is catching. They are not educated, they have not been to any, any university, but they will immediately say, “This is catching,” or “This is catching.” So this is what happens to us when the Kundalini rises all the way into the centre and pierces through this fontanel bone area, that you become collectively conscious; you become. You become. Becoming is the point, not just giving you a big lecture about it. In the West, of course, the Kundalini rises all right ,much, much faster, maybe much faster than India, maybe. Yeah, because people are seeking, because they are saintly. They are from, they are saints. Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] is it? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, they are. But the Western style of deriving at everything through rationality, again brings them down. Then again they rise. There is a method of maintaining it there. But for Indians who are naive in this respect, their Kundalini stays all right. Now this, on this side, of the past, here is our past, beyond this, lies, you see the moon is, beyond this lies the collective subconscious area. We can say this is the lunar area. Now whatever has been dead in the lunar area resides here. I was amazed that the B.B.C. program we had the other time in London that they said that they have found out that there are protein matters which attack from some unknown area and trigger the cancer. Now this much they are, are accepting. I have said about it long time back. Now this happens; in this way is written by Gregoire in his book, Advent. He calls them as U.P.I. So, when we are in the centre through the observance of sustenance we are not in dangerous position. But we always go to extremes. We cannot keep in the centre in a relaxed manner. For example, Swiss people are extremely speedy. He was like that. Now, then you go on to the right-hand side, too much on the right, using your right side, planning for the future; and if you go too much on that side you go into the territory of supra-conscious. All the ambitious people and all the ambitious animals and all the ambitious vegetables, all of them lie in this area. Maybe Mr. Hitler may be somewhere there. It’s no wonder people take to violence so easily. Now, if you move to this area you go towards the people who are dead, who have died and who have been sly and – what you call – Sahaja Yogi: Licentious. Shri Mataji: Ha, licentious. Now the attention is spread out here. The chitta, the attention, it’s actually spread out here, because food and seeking is here. The attention starts getting subtler and subtler, when the attention from food goes to, say, power, to wealth. After getting to the extreme of our understanding of futility of power and wealth, we start seeking. We also sometimes seek in romanticism. That’s also not joy-giving. That could be very painful. Sometimes people discover that you have been befooled completely. So the seeking goes into unknown to find out what is the reality. Now if you realize that everything has happened to you without any effort, you will not put in effort for your seeking, because you have become a human being without putting any effort. If it is a living process, the evolutionary process is, then there should be no effort. Supposing we stand on our heads, will this tree grow faster? Supposing we read many books before a seed, will it sprout? If this is a living process it should happen spontaneously. There should be no effort. But man in his ego thinks even we have to organise God. We cannot organise Him. He has to organise us. We have to ask for our realisation and just stay in the centre. The Kundalini rises like this when She is faced with somebody who is an authority of Kundalini. It would not move for anyone who is unauthorised by God. This authorisation only comes when you are genuinely a self-realised person, of a very high quality. It cannot come by going to some theological college or getting some certificates from someone. In India we have a system by which some, some Shankaracharya, who is not a real Shankaracharya, is giving certificate to give realisation. And he himself is collecting money because he wants to have a big umbrella of gold and wants to put diamonds around. All this should be dust for a person who is doing holy work, especially when they are ascetics. They are not householders like Me. But still, still nobody can be a parasite and can sell this; for Christ was born a carpenter’s son, He lived like a carpenter’s son. Shri Krishna lived like a herd boy, herd boy, and Rama lived in the forest. But when Shri Krishna became a king, He wore the crown. He did not take, collect money from others to buy His own crown. All these things are suggestive of the person who’s trying to sell God. So the person like Christ who said, “Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing,” had to take a hunter and hit these people in the church. This cannot rise by the people who do not lead a holy life. Like I have known some gurus who are very nicely settled in your Switzerland with their big bank balances, have been using women for their own purposes. You must see their lifestyle; you should understand and should be aware of these frauds. They are the fake ones. The person who is at that level can sleep on the ground. For Me I was born in a very rich, royal family, and My husband well-off, but if you ask Me I can sleep anywhere, live anywhere. I have no problem. But people don’t understand this. They run after a circus. If somebody puts up a show they run after that show. In this country thousands of people are running after a such nonsensical guru. One guru recently came to London from America and he said that, “If you give me a Rolls Royce only then I come.” He has mesmerised people and they have got fifty, he has got already fifty Rolls Royce. And now these people starve themselves for one year to buy a Rolls Royce for this, this horrible person. Some of his disciples who have come to Sahaja Yoga went and talked to them. “What are you doing? You are all mesmerised.” They said,”We are enjoying this very much and we are very happy. He has given us this. We have to give him matter to get the Spirit.” You cannot exchange matter for Spirit. You cannot pay for it. It is very difficult to digest this truth for human beings. The Spirit lies in your heart, detached from everything. It is an eternal thing. It enjoys by itself. It cannot enjoy what you enjoy. It watches you, every moment. He gives you a long rope to hang yourself. It cannot control you because you are free. But you have to choose Him in your freedom. Your freedom has to be respected. You cannot be mesmerised because you have to become absolutely free. The evolution could not go further without giving this freedom to human beings. At the development of this centre the man raised his head above the animal life, and then this new development started growing into him. Before this, there was only this pull, the superego, which is the, which is the product of your desire, of your conditioning. This, Mr. Freud has only seen because he is so half-baked, only one side of man. We are not only our conditioning and desires. We are also our ego here, the great one, which he did not see. Because this gives you problem, because you suffer from mental problems. He was a psychologist; he wanted to make money out of our problems. So he paid only attention to this. Now if, if you only worry about your conditioning and try to remove it, how do you do it? You use your ego to remove it. So the ego grows up like that, and puts down this superego down there. And man thinks he’s on top of the world. Ego gives you artificial happiness, like Hitler had. You see his face; even his moustache was on one side like that. Egoistical man is like that. He thinks no end of himself. He encroaches on the freedom of others and aggresses the free people. But after all, human being is the Spirit. He starts seeing this horrible thing within him, like a giant. Most of the young people in the Western countries started seeing it in their elders. So they started an anti-culture movement going to superego, taking to drugs and running away from reality. So, there is a wobbling between ego and superego. You have to be in the centre there. So when the Kundalini rises, She pushes the attention just like a, from the shawl you can see how it pushes up and She pierces here. A happening takes place which attracts your attention as this, inside. Because if I tell you pay attention to yourself you cannot. But something falls off, you pay attention. So if some happening takes place, your attention goes inside. Then the attention pierces here, and you become one with the Divine power. So, you get away from both the extremes. When it pierces, you start feeling from your hand cool breeze flowing. This is described in the Bible as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. It is described in Indian scriptures very, very clearly. It is called as chaitanya lahari, meaning the, the, the waves of compassion; no, enlightened conscience. But the enlightenment is of love; it is the love of God which has created the whole universe so beautiful. In every human being is placed everything so beautifully. This is the tree of life. And these vibrations, these are the water of life. It is said that, “I will appear before you as tongues of flames.” These are the tongues of flames. Christ has said, “Those who are not against Me, are with Me.” Who are they? He could not explain. In Rome I went and I located many, many of the deities in the paintings of Michelangelo. Sahaja Yogi: Deities? Shri Mataji: Ha! Deities. Sahaja Yogi: Ah, oui, yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Because he was a realized soul and he had inspiration from his unconscious. He was honest and he painted that. They say we, it is not easy to recognize [unclear]. All these things have to happen within you. The Kundalini has to rise. You have to get your re-birth; that is your right to have it. But you have to be meek and calm to receive it. You cannot order God that, “You give me. Otherwise I’ll kill You.” We have to be humble. There is no shop here. Our attitude should not be of a shopper, but here you have come to receive, for I cannot take anything from you. I can just give My love, to sprout your Kundalini. I want this to be established in Switzerland. We have to have a nucleus. We have to awaken our people to reality. We have to save them; big salvage is needed. When I am in Switzerland I’m a Swiss and I feel that concern for this great country. [missing part]	null	null	null	Geneva 2.10.80 The Last Judgement Sahaja Yogi: Mother I would not try to talk to You. May I ask You… Shri Mataji: They were very interested in your talk, [you know] [unclear]. Sahaja Yogi: I think I’ll carry on with translating. Shri Mataji: He spoke very well because you were so much interested; I could see that. Sahaja Yogi: I’m not translating this. Shri Mataji: And you could see from his heart, he feels so much for Switzerland… [French] Shri Mataji: I would say he is a real Swiss. He feels such concern about his fellow-being. Shri Mataji: We are all the seekers of truth. Today there is a big urge to seek the truth, because the Last Judgment has started. There were never so many seekers before. Very few used to seek and extremely few used to receive. But the blossom time has come and so many of them have to become the fruits. That is the plan of God Almighty. We have to see how Switzerland faces it. When we are seeking the truth we must know what we are and what we have to seek. The first premises must be that we are not yet there, where we should be. There is something missing. Now in a country like Switzerland where there is so much of affluence and people are very settled, still one finds that such a great rate of suicide exists in this country. Now every country has its own problems, but in that problem you can see the essence of its lacking. The lacking in all the affluent countries is that, that matter cannot be enjoyed. It can give you habits, enslavement, but it cannot give you joy. It can give you an ego pampering, but that happiness is combined with unhappiness. Those who also run away from all that are not happy. They have to rise above. How do you rise if there is no ideal beyond it? This is the seeking in the West. How to rise beyond matter? Because they are now understanding the value of matter; they are evolved to that point. We have to speak about the Spirit, Spirit which is being described by many saints, seers of ancient times. Christ has described it throughout. Moses came on this Earth to establish the sustenance for the human beings. He tried to tell people what human beings should do to be in the centre of life. But if that was the end of all our seeking there was no need for Christ to come. Christ came on this Earth to say that we have to seek our Spirit. The message of His life is His resurrection. On the Easter day we give eggs to each other. It is very symbolic. In Indian language a bird is called as khaga – Kha-ga – and also dwijaha. The first one means the one which goes in the sky, flies in the sky. The second one means the twice-born. And a realized soul is also called as dwijaha. Christ has talked about your second birth throughout. He has said you are to be born again. But I find in Christian nations there is no seeking. You cannot be satisfied unless and until you have had your second birth. That is how you are going to find out your Spirit. That is how you are going to become collectively conscious. That is how you are going to find meaning to your living. That is how you are going to find why the Lord has created this Universe. The scientists must ask a question to themselves: why human-beings were created out of an amoeba. Was that just a wasteful, a wasteful adventure of God? And what about all the sages who talked about your second birth? Were they all wrong when they said that you have to be born again? Krishna has said, “Yaa saa paschyati, saa pachyati,” meaning the one who can see, can see. I happened to meet a great saint in Cambridge, near Cambridge. He was one Mr. Mascaro, who has translated Gita and has written lots of books about Upanishada, Bible, and he’s a great poet, well-known writer. He told Me, “Mother, people can’t see. I have a friend who has got a Nobel Prize but he can’t see.” “What can he not see?” “He cannot see that this whole universe is regulated, organized, worked out and loved by the energy of God’s love.” The man in his freedom has chosen a path of enlightenment in a wrong way. The wrong way is to deny God to begin with. Those who do not deny God, accept some sort of a concept or a dogma. Truth is, lies in the centre. It is a spontaneous thing that has to happen within us to know the truth. By what concept did we become human beings from monkeys? Or by what denial did we become human beings? The whole evolution has taken place as if like a seed sprouting. And now at this stage if anything has to happen, has to be spontaneous. You cannot get it by reading, or by talking, or going to library, or by being a king or a big man somewhere. You get it by the happening within you. Today it was such a chance when I came from Rome and a very eminent doctor from India was travelling with Me in the plane, and he is very highly placed in W.H.O. He was just sitting next to Me. It happened or it happens, and he has heard about Me. He said, “Mother, can you give me realisation in the plane?” I said, “Why not?” And he got it. He got it there in the plane. But he knows that this is realisation, because though he is a doctor he is very well-equipped in Sanskrit and in the literature about realisation. He knows what it means. I did not have to argue or discuss it. When he got it he knew it was there. He said”Why not do it for the whole world?” I said, “You cannot force people to get it. They have to grow. They have to accept it. But people have so much of ego in your profession of medicine. In India they think they are all English or Swiss. So, how will they listen to Me? For them this knowledge is naïve.” He said, “That’s true.” He said, “I know the problem. But it will come the, once we know why the problems come to us”. The other problem that the West is facing is cancer. Now he knows that I have cured the President of India of his cancer. But how I cure is not so difficult to tell. It’s very simple. All the doctors are reaching very near us. So let us first see what we are within ourselves. And we are, on the left-hand side, this is the power of desire which makes our past, and this is the power of our action which goes for our future, and this is the centre of our sustenance. We have reached [missing part] All these centres, the subtle centres in the spinal cord and the brain start manifesting. You start feeling them on your fingers where is the problem, and also you can feel the others’. For example, Antoinette has got two children who are born-realised. Now these two little things can immediately say what chakra is catching. They are not educated, they have not been to any, any university, but they will immediately say, “This is catching,” or “This is catching.” So this is what happens to us when the Kundalini rises all the way into the centre and pierces through this fontanel bone area, that you become collectively conscious; you become. You become. Becoming is the point, not just giving you a big lecture about it. In the West, of course, the Kundalini rises all right ,much, much faster, maybe much faster than India, maybe. Yeah, because people are seeking, because they are saintly. They are from, they are saints. Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] is it? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, they are. But the Western style of deriving at everything through rationality, again brings them down. Then again they rise. There is a method of maintaining it there. But for Indians who are naive in this respect, their Kundalini stays all right. Now this, on this side, of the past, here is our past, beyond this, lies, you see the moon is, beyond this lies the collective subconscious area. We can say this is the lunar area. Now whatever has been dead in the lunar area resides here. I was amazed that the B.B.C. program we had the other time in London that they said that they have found out that there are protein matters which attack from some unknown area and trigger the cancer. Now this much they are, are accepting. I have said about it long time back. Now this happens; in this way is written by Gregoire in his book, Advent. He calls them as U.P.I. So, when we are in the centre through the observance of sustenance we are not in dangerous position. But we always go to extremes. We cannot keep in the centre in a relaxed manner. For example, Swiss people are extremely speedy. He was like that. Now, then you go on to the right-hand side, too much on the right, using your right side, planning for the future; and if you go too much on that side you go into the territory of supra-conscious. All the ambitious people and all the ambitious animals and all the ambitious vegetables, all of them lie in this area. Maybe Mr. Hitler may be somewhere there. It’s no wonder people take to violence so easily. Now, if you move to this area you go towards the people who are dead, who have died and who have been sly and – what you call – Sahaja Yogi: Licentious. Shri Mataji: Ha, licentious. Now the attention is spread out here. The chitta, the attention, it’s actually spread out here, because food and seeking is here. The attention starts getting subtler and subtler, when the attention from food goes to, say, power, to wealth. After getting to the extreme of our understanding of futility of power and wealth, we start seeking. We also sometimes seek in romanticism. That’s also not joy-giving. That could be very painful. Sometimes people discover that you have been befooled completely. So the seeking goes into unknown to find out what is the reality. Now if you realize that everything has happened to you without any effort, you will not put in effort for your seeking, because you have become a human being without putting any effort. If it is a living process, the evolutionary process is, then there should be no effort. Supposing we stand on our heads, will this tree grow faster? Supposing we read many books before a seed, will it sprout? If this is a living process it should happen spontaneously. There should be no effort. But man in his ego thinks even we have to organise God. We cannot organise Him. He has to organise us. We have to ask for our realisation and just stay in the centre. The Kundalini rises like this when She is faced with somebody who is an authority of Kundalini. It would not move for anyone who is unauthorised by God. This authorisation only comes when you are genuinely a self-realised person, of a very high quality. It cannot come by going to some theological college or getting some certificates from someone. In India we have a system by which some, some Shankaracharya, who is not a real Shankaracharya, is giving certificate to give realisation. And he himself is collecting money because he wants to have a big umbrella of gold and wants to put diamonds around. All this should be dust for a person who is doing holy work, especially when they are ascetics. They are not householders like Me. But still, still nobody can be a parasite and can sell this; for Christ was born a carpenter’s son, He lived like a carpenter’s son. Shri Krishna lived like a herd boy, herd boy, and Rama lived in the forest. But when Shri Krishna became a king, He wore the crown. He did not take, collect money from others to buy His own crown. All these things are suggestive of the person who’s trying to sell God. So the person like Christ who said, “Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing,” had to take a hunter and hit these people in the church. This cannot rise by the people who do not lead a holy life. Like I have known some gurus who are very nicely settled in your Switzerland with their big bank balances, have been using women for their own purposes. You must see their lifestyle; you should understand and should be aware of these frauds. They are the fake ones. The person who is at that level can sleep on the ground. For Me I was born in a very rich, royal family, and My husband well-off, but if you ask Me I can sleep anywhere, live anywhere. I have no problem. But people don’t understand this. They run after a circus. If somebody puts up a show they run after that show. In this country thousands of people are running after a such nonsensical guru. One guru recently came to London from America and he said that, “If you give me a Rolls Royce only then I come.” He has mesmerised people and they have got fifty, he has got already fifty Rolls Royce. And now these people starve themselves for one year to buy a Rolls Royce for this, this horrible person. Some of his disciples who have come to Sahaja Yoga went and talked to them. “What are you doing? You are all mesmerised.” They said,”We are enjoying this very much and we are very happy. He has given us this. We have to give him matter to get the Spirit.” You cannot exchange matter for Spirit. You cannot pay for it. It is very difficult to digest this truth for human beings. The Spirit lies in your heart, detached from everything. It is an eternal thing. It enjoys by itself. It cannot enjoy what you enjoy. It watches you, every moment. He gives you a long rope to hang yourself. It cannot control you because you are free. But you have to choose Him in your freedom. Your freedom has to be respected. You cannot be mesmerised because you have to become absolutely free. The evolution could not go further without giving this freedom to human beings. At the development of this centre the man raised his head above the animal life, and then this new development started growing into him. Before this, there was only this pull, the superego, which is the, which is the product of your desire, of your conditioning. This, Mr. Freud has only seen because he is so half-baked, only one side of man. We are not only our conditioning and desires. We are also our ego here, the great one, which he did not see. Because this gives you problem, because you suffer from mental problems. He was a psychologist; he wanted to make money out of our problems. So he paid only attention to this. Now if, if you only worry about your conditioning and try to remove it, how do you do it? You use your ego to remove it. So the ego grows up like that, and puts down this superego down there. And man thinks he’s on top of the world. Ego gives you artificial happiness, like Hitler had. You see his face; even his moustache was on one side like that. Egoistical man is like that. He thinks no end of himself. He encroaches on the freedom of others and aggresses the free people. But after all, human being is the Spirit. He starts seeing this horrible thing within him, like a giant. Most of the young people in the Western countries started seeing it in their elders. So they started an anti-culture movement going to superego, taking to drugs and running away from reality. So, there is a wobbling between ego and superego. You have to be in the centre there. So when the Kundalini rises, She pushes the attention just like a, from the shawl you can see how it pushes up and She pierces here. A happening takes place which attracts your attention as this, inside. Because if I tell you pay attention to yourself you cannot. But something falls off, you pay attention. So if some happening takes place, your attention goes inside. Then the attention pierces here, and you become one with the Divine power. So, you get away from both the extremes. When it pierces, you start feeling from your hand cool breeze flowing. This is described in the Bible as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. It is described in Indian scriptures very, very clearly. It is called as chaitanya lahari, meaning the, the, the waves of compassion; no, enlightened conscience. But the enlightenment is of love; it is the love of God which has created the whole universe so beautiful. In every human being is placed everything so beautifully. This is the tree of life. And these vibrations, these are the water of life. It is said that, “I will appear before you as tongues of flames.” These are the tongues of flames. Christ has said, “Those who are not against Me, are with Me.” Who are they? He could not explain. In Rome I went and I located many, many of the deities in the paintings of Michelangelo. Sahaja Yogi: Deities? Shri Mataji: Ha! Deities. Sahaja Yogi: Ah, oui, yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Because he was a realized soul and he had inspiration from his unconscious. He was honest and he painted that. They say we, it is not easy to recognize [unclear]. All these things have to happen within you. The Kundalini has to rise. You have to get your re-birth; that is your right to have it. But you have to be meek and calm to receive it. You cannot order God that, “You give me. Otherwise I’ll kill You.” We have to be humble. There is no shop here. Our attitude should not be of a shopper, but here you have come to receive, for I cannot take anything from you. I can just give My love, to sprout your Kundalini. I want this to be established in Switzerland. We have to have a nucleus. We have to awaken our people to reality. We have to save them; big salvage is needed. When I am in Switzerland I’m a Swiss and I feel that concern for this great country. [missing part]
10/5/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6711	Get transformed	Switzerland	Lausanne	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	63	Public Program. Lausanne (Switzerland), 5 October 1980. ...You have to translate...You are all here to seek the truth. You are all the seekers of truth, but what is truth? For the truth to an ant is different from the truth to a human being. The way your consciousness expands, the truth reveals itself to you. Whatever we know through our sense organs we call it as truth but the sense organs also develop gradually as we evolve to human level. We have done nothing to achieve our sensitivity as human being. It has happened absolutely spontaneously within us but we think for growing higher in our consciousness we have to do something about it, but if you see that, human beings have come out of amoeba without any effort and if you understand that the effortlessness is the only way you have achieved this state we have to accept that effort is not necessary. "Sahaja", as Gregoire has told you, means "spontaneous". Like a seed it sprouts by itself and becomes a tree. In the same way we started like a seed and today we are at a human stage but some human beings even think that by paying money you can improve in your consciousness. Because of this mythical idea there are many enterprises floating and they call themselves "people who are going to give you some higher life" if you pay them so much, so much. You cannot pay for your Self-Realization, it is effortless, you cannot manipulate it through your rationality either because rationality is a limited. You have to go to the unlimited. With rationality you just form dogmas and your own conceptions about reality and if you accept that then you think by saying that you are that, you become that. If a seed thinks he is a flower, does he become a flower? He has to become. He has to grow in. In the same way, we have to know that we have to become, but not through our effort but the effort of the Divine Grace. It is the Divine Grace that has created us. The Divine Grace has made us human beings and it is the Divine Grace that is going to give us our higher life because God Almighty, your Father, loves you. He wants you to develop into such a being that He pours all His love [unto-onto?] you so that you can feel His powers within you, that you become the instrument of the Divine Power, so that you feel the flow of His power through you, so that you can manage it and give it to others. People are very much today...are science hypnotized. They cannot see anything beyond science but if they are honest they can find out that they haven't got answers for many questions and the reason is their awareness has still to go higher to understand those questions. Like in histology you have got to see through the microscope, you cannot see it directly. In the same way if you have to feel the Divine Power, the All-Pervading Power you have to rise higher in your awareness. Now if this power exists or not, if there is such a power working or not is to be seen. Every scientist must have an open mind to seek. That is the science-of work that is the mind of a scientist, [who is to be open?]. Even in science they put forward a hypothesis and if the hypothesis is proved to the point then they call it a law. So, whatever I am saying you have to receive it with a very open mind. First to receive it see for yourself and then you have to accept it as the law of the Divine. Within us is placed as I say...are these centres which are seven in number. One-Two-Three-Four-Five-Six-Seven. These are the basic seven centres within us which lie in the spinal cord part and some in the brain. These are subtle centres within us and they express outside the gross plexuses. Vertically they represent our evolutionary process. They are the mile stones in our evolution at this point which is called as the Mooladhara Chakra, which manifests the pelvic plexus outside. Now, this centre is placed below the Kundalini, which is placed in the Sacrum Bone. This is called as "Sacrum" because it is a sacred bone. In this bone lies the Kundalini, the residual power of our germination. During the process of Kundalini awakening you can see the pulsation down here. You can also through stethoscope; see the rising of the Kundalini and you can see the pulsation in the back bone. Till it reaches here in the fontanel bone area where it breaks through. At that point you do not feel any pulsation. As soon as this happens, from your hands a cool breeze starts flowing. You can feel it on your finger as shown here. These are the terminal points of the sympathetic nervous system within us. These represent all the centres that are inside us and you start feeling them on your fingers, as a... absolutely your own experience. Now first time this Kundalini meets the seat of the spirit which actually resides in the heart and theses ...cool waves are nothing but the manifestation of your spirit. It has been described in all the scriptures. The time has come to prove all the scriptures [inaudible - to you?] but you have to be connected with the mains. For example if this instrument is not connected with the mains it cannot be used. In the same way if we are not connected with the mains we have no meaning. In the Big Primordial Being we are small cells, the microcosm and the macrocosm. Every cell has to be awakened to know how it is connected with the whole. So, by Self-realization you must expect to get your wholesomeness. So, that it means that in your consciousness you should be able to feel others and yourself otherwise it is not Self-Realization. If your Spirit is manifesting it should be able to relate to you...where are you. Your eyes have to be opened; you should be able to see. If there is light you can see everything clearly. In the same way you can see on your fingers, you can make out what are the centres are in problem. These centres on the left-hand side are dealing with the mental side...uh...with the emotional side. This is the...uh...was described by Mister Freud as psyche. He was a half-baked scientist because he could only see one thing in us. He could not see other side which is responsible for our action...the power of action. Which...which gives you the physical and the mental side. He should say that you should not have any conditioning and you should remove all your conditionings and you should not believe in any taboos given by any prophet or anyone because if you do that then you condition yourself. But he does not know to do that we have to use this power and by doing this, using this power, we develop the ego. With super-ego you do have problems which trouble you and you can see yourself. But with ego you do not feel the problems yourself but you are problems for others and as a result there is problem also for you because if you use too much of this power, then this power [inaudible] freezes ...you become a very dry personality. If you use too much of this power, then you develop a... liver problem. The medical science does not believe but actually this centre here, the second centre is creating cells out of the fats cells here for the use of the brain. [In the gross, it gives aortic plexus...manifested...power...?] But this cell has...this centre has another very important work is the liver...is the spleen, the pancreas and also the kidney and the uterus. When we [live-give-such- liver starts?] working only for one job, is to think for tomorrow and all the time thinking, then other jobs are neglected. A person who thinks too much always gets a diabetes. Farmers do not get diabetes. They eat such a lot of sugar and they eat such a lot of carbohydrates, they never get diabetes. People who think too much get diabetes. Apart from that they get liver. They get kidney troubles. Sometimes they carry on with one kidney. They have to be in the machine every third day but they do not believe that it is coming from over-thinking. When the Kundalini rises she solves the problems because when she goes between these two, ego and superego, she makes a space. A thought rises and falls off and another thought rises and falls off and there is a space in between. Either the thought comes from the future and becomes the past. So we are jumping on the ego or superego all the time on the cut. In the centre is the present. When the Kundalini rises she sucks both ego and superego and you find a depression in the head and you feel absolutely relaxed. Now you come in the present and you feel extremely relaxed. I always tell a joke about some villagers travelling by a plane and they were told not to take the load...ah...so much load to the plane and they thought that if they put their load on their heads they will be giving some relief to the plane. So they put all their load on their heads and are in tension. Then the pilot comes and ask them, "Why are you putting this load on your head?" They tell, "After all we are worried about your plane". So he says, "This plane carries your weight and this weight as well, you live it on the ground." First they are afraid to live it, they doubt. Gradually they find, "Oh, it is correct." That's what happens after Realization. The Lord, God Almighty who has created this whole great universe, has created you and has given you all the beauties of life, is going to carry all your weight. He...He carries your load otherwise also, what work do you do? If a tree dies you make a good table chair, you think, "We have done a good work!" You are just changing forms of dead to dead. If you make a chair and sit on it, it sits on your head. Then you cannot sit on the ground. You have to always carry chair with you in some form. We might get people later on; glue to them a chair... [Wherever they go?] So the matter which you change into forms gives you habits and enlaverment but I'm not saying that you give up anything. That is another myth. What are you holding? It is nice that this thing belongs to the hotel, no headache for Me. If I had owned it and possessed it, it would have been a headache. The more possessions you have, the more frantic you are. But what I say...you enjoy them! That's only possible after Realization that you do not give up anything but you see the whole drama as a witness. But the main thing is it has to happen to you, some happening has to happen within you. This happening is of Kundalini awakening. It's a living force and a living force cannot be handled by human being because they have done no living work whatsoever. I met a lady, she started arguing with Me, "We are making test...tube babies..." That ...that too is a myth. because two living things you put together, you do not create life but the One who creates billions and billions of such human beings, how great He must be! In our being it is so many interesting things happening but we take it for granted. For example if there is any foreign matter introduced in the body we throw it out. [Inaudible- the body throws it away?] Now if you see in the child bearing while the foetus...I mean the embryo is embedded in the body then it is not expelled out. Not only it is expelled out but it is nurtured, looked after and then at the right time it is expelled. Who does that? Who does that? There is a Deity sitting down here...He's the Deity who is the embodiment of our innocence. He incarnated on this earth at this point...inside the brain at the optic chiasma as Our Lord Jesus Christ. He came on this earth to tell us that we have to seek our spirit, that we are to be born again but most surprising we are getting people authorized by some theological college to give you a baptism. That's just a mechanical thing it is not a real baptism. You have to ask for the real baptism. If you are the seekers of truth, then you ask for real baptism. There is such a lot to be said about all these centres and their Deity and I'll be here for two more days then I'll elaborately tell you but today I want to tell you about the area which lie in this side of ours. [Maybe part of the tape missing...] ...and this area is supraconscious. For example when you take LSD and all that you enter into this area but if you take some other kind of drugs like [Dhatura-marijuana-daïtura?] and all that you go on to that side. Also when you think of dead too much you enter into this area. Now the defect of the whole scientific attitude is this that it is all based on analysis. For example there will be a doctor for one eye and another doctor for another eye but human being is one. The medical doctor cannot treat the psychological problem but Kundalini treats all of them. She integrates all your being, your physical, mental, emotional and spiritual being she integrates. Now the problem is like this... cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga. It cannot be cured by anything else. The reason is now the doctors have also found out in a very research way because I saw it in BBC...that there is an attack from some unknown area on their being...through...by some protein matters...Protein...and they said...they have reached a conclusion that this attack come from the areas which are built in us from the creation. It does not come from without. Now these are the areas from where the attacks come. In our evolution, by balancing things there are many such vegetables and animals which have gone out of circulation. There are some human beings, quiet a lot of them who have also gone out of circulation. For example people like Hitler on the right-hand side, is out of circulation. They are actually devils. On the left-hand side, very sly people who are playing very sly and dirty tricks. [And who are very - heinous -inaudible-full of...?] For example, uh... this Chakra throws the over-supraconscious people, the over ambitious people out of circulation here and this one [throws out...of them there - inaudible?] Now these build up negative forces against the life, against the life. These attacks are from all these areas, two areas I told you. Now the problem with human being is that he goes to extremes. The whole system, the human system is now building up such things like which creates "unique" personality. If you become unique you become malignant. The malignant is like a cancer cell which starts oppressing other cells and turning those cells just like these aggressive ones. So we see one "unique" man and we run after him and we want to become like him and because human live...beings live on very gross level it is very easy to impress them with this kind of thing. That explains people like Hitler could influence Germans. Today a person like Khomeini is influencing poor Iranian. There is no end to such "unique" devilish stupids. Now these two areas, we do not have to go there. Below is the hell which is being painted by so many artists in the West. Even in the East we have many people who have exposed the problems of hell. On top there even you pierce, you enter into the "super-consciousness" and first time in your conscious mind you start feeling the cool breeze, you start feeling the Divine Power which created the whole creation, which is the vital force. Now to be there we have to use some sort of a method and that method is used by the Divine Power itself. Now she...she comes down first as the desire power within you and this is the pure desire power which is not affected by our personal desire or conditioning. The pure desire within us is to become our spirit so that through our spirit we know the Divine. This pure desire rests here for ages with us and the one who is authorized by God, not by theological college, [faces?] this desire, it rises [to tops?]. That's how you become Self-Realized. First time you start feeling your spirit on central nervous system. Whatever is human awareness is expressed in central nervous system. Whatever we have achieved in our evolution is expressed through central nervous system and the autonomous nervous system which are the sympathetic and the parasympathetic, are so far unknown to us...become our own. When we say, "Autonomous" who is the "auto"? Just you brand somebody and then stop thinking about it is not the way a science should move. Who controls this autonomous nervous system? It's your spirit. Your spirit knows you it knows its field and you do not know it. Now first time he manifest in your central nervous system. It is happy and enjoying itself, it enjoys itself. When the attention from here rises to the Kundalini and touches the spirit here, attention enjoys it. Thus your attention becomes enlightened. Sitting down here you can say what is the problem of a particular person. Sitting down here you can say who is Realized and who is not Realized. Tomorrow I'll be able to tell you some stories about it but you all must get your Realization and establish it. The trouble in the West is that there is seeking, they are real seekers, they are very genuine but they do not know how to remain in the centre. They go to extremes. This is one of the problems. Secondly they have developed shopping habits. I call it "Guru shopping". They think they came to Sahaja Yoga also for shopping. First they'll come, attend my program, listen to my lecture then go to another program. This kind of behaviour has made them very frivolous. You have to have depth in you, your seeking should be dignified. If there is no weight in your seeking you will be floating all the time. You cannot go down. Sahaja Yoga requires people of calibre, not the kind of calibre we expect that efficient person should be there or a very rich man should be there or he should be a very great expert in something but the calibre of assiduity to get to the point. I must say for Britishers, though they have been very bad to Indians, I found their young people are people of calibre. They are very difficult to crack. Difficult to crack but once they get it they sort it out. They are not scholarly...they are scholarly but they are more on the deeper side of the search. In London I have now about three hundred people who are first class Sahaja Yogis. They are curing people, they are realizing people and they are now writing about Sahaja Yoga. From Switzerland also I have some very precious [inaudible-disciples-followers- diamonds?]. Gregoire is one of them. He has written a beautiful book about the "Advent". He is a scholar, and a...very intelligent. He wrote a book which was very...would have been very intellectual but I told him to make it a sweet book because they...people who will read it will become absolutely mad. I really tortured his life but for one year he agreed and he made it a very sweet book. He is a man of great attention and concentration and I'm sure where such great Sahaja Yogis resides there must be great and greater seekers. The only trouble is, when you receive the truth you become so enamoured by it that people think you are possessed. It is very difficult to tell people that we have found the truth because for blind people how to say there is light? You can see from their lives how they are transformed. For example...I'll give you a small example of a child who is playing now. He is a child of another Sahaja Yogini, "Brigit", who was in Mexico few years back and you know there is lot of black magic there and this child developed a big lump in front. He would not talk to us or anyone, he was all the time crying, weeping and he was [struck?]. Now this is the centre of Christ. He would not have a cross anywhere near. Actually he hated it but when I rose his Kundalini and took the name of Christ, this opened out. Actually he used to look like a bull about to hit you with the whole attention like that. Very [angry-aggre?], very aggressive and did not sleep in the night. He was very aggressive and could not sleep in the night but as soon this centre opened out and the Kundalini opened the Sahasrara, the Brahmarandra...today you can see what a beautiful child he is! Mother is also completely transformed. Gregoire himself is completely transformed. When he came first to Me I didn't know what was happening, the thoughts were coming like horns and he was attacking everyone. He was an extremely disturbed person. When his sister, elder sister, who is another intellectual saw him so transformed she said, "Who has transformed you of all the persons?" and then she took to Sahaja Yoga also. In the end I have to tell you that the Last Judgment has started. The Kundalini is the way they are going to judge you. Actually you are going to judge yourself, your are going to be given complete chance to improve yourself and there are many great souls taking birth on this earth. There are many children born on this earth who are realized souls. Today we have here four of them who are playing about. They are born realized. Like Antoinette's son is great. He brought a very nice picture to Me today made by him, painting and he told Me, "This is the fort of Shri Krishna". I don't know from where he knew and all His Divine weapons are in this place and all those people who attack us we are going to attack them with these weapons. It's very remarkable how he knows that Shri Krishna is the Samhara Shakti, is the killing power. When they see they know so much, you can't imagine. Most surprising thing that... William Blake, who is a great poet, who wrote poetry long time back has described where I will be staying and where our Ashram is going to be exactly, in his poetry. I lay down the foundation in the...in the place which is called as [Lambeth Way?], and he has mentioned that and first I stayed in [Surrey Hills?]. It's written, "The flames will start at Surrey Hills" and the foundations of the New Jerusalem will be laid at [Lambeth Way?]. Now this is...was written long time, I did not know but recently somebody has sent Me a letter to Switzerland. Krishna has said, "Those who cannot see cannot see." He has also said, "Yoga kshema vahamyam,” meaning, "First you achieve your union then I will look after your well-being. Christ came on this earth to teach us that we have to achieve our eternal being, our spirit. His resurrection is His message so that you all should be resurrected and enter into the Kingdom of God to enjoy all the benedictions of His power.Let us have our realization.	null	null	null	Public Program. Lausanne (Switzerland), 5 October 1980. ...You have to translate...You are all here to seek the truth. You are all the seekers of truth, but what is truth? For the truth to an ant is different from the truth to a human being. The way your consciousness expands, the truth reveals itself to you. Whatever we know through our sense organs we call it as truth but the sense organs also develop gradually as we evolve to human level. We have done nothing to achieve our sensitivity as human being. It has happened absolutely spontaneously within us but we think for growing higher in our consciousness we have to do something about it, but if you see that, human beings have come out of amoeba without any effort and if you understand that the effortlessness is the only way you have achieved this state we have to accept that effort is not necessary. "Sahaja", as Gregoire has told you, means "spontaneous". Like a seed it sprouts by itself and becomes a tree. In the same way we started like a seed and today we are at a human stage but some human beings even think that by paying money you can improve in your consciousness. Because of this mythical idea there are many enterprises floating and they call themselves "people who are going to give you some higher life" if you pay them so much, so much. You cannot pay for your Self-Realization, it is effortless, you cannot manipulate it through your rationality either because rationality is a limited. You have to go to the unlimited. With rationality you just form dogmas and your own conceptions about reality and if you accept that then you think by saying that you are that, you become that. If a seed thinks he is a flower, does he become a flower? He has to become. He has to grow in. In the same way, we have to know that we have to become, but not through our effort but the effort of the Divine Grace. It is the Divine Grace that has created us. The Divine Grace has made us human beings and it is the Divine Grace that is going to give us our higher life because God Almighty, your Father, loves you. He wants you to develop into such a being that He pours all His love [unto-onto?] you so that you can feel His powers within you, that you become the instrument of the Divine Power, so that you feel the flow of His power through you, so that you can manage it and give it to others. People are very much today...are science hypnotized. They cannot see anything beyond science but if they are honest they can find out that they haven't got answers for many questions and the reason is their awareness has still to go higher to understand those questions. Like in histology you have got to see through the microscope, you cannot see it directly. In the same way if you have to feel the Divine Power, the All-Pervading Power you have to rise higher in your awareness. Now if this power exists or not, if there is such a power working or not is to be seen. Every scientist must have an open mind to seek. That is the science-of work that is the mind of a scientist, [who is to be open?]. Even in science they put forward a hypothesis and if the hypothesis is proved to the point then they call it a law. So, whatever I am saying you have to receive it with a very open mind. First to receive it see for yourself and then you have to accept it as the law of the Divine. Within us is placed as I say...are these centres which are seven in number. One-Two-Three-Four-Five-Six-Seven. These are the basic seven centres within us which lie in the spinal cord part and some in the brain. These are subtle centres within us and they express outside the gross plexuses. Vertically they represent our evolutionary process. They are the mile stones in our evolution at this point which is called as the Mooladhara Chakra, which manifests the pelvic plexus outside. Now, this centre is placed below the Kundalini, which is placed in the Sacrum Bone. This is called as "Sacrum" because it is a sacred bone. In this bone lies the Kundalini, the residual power of our germination. During the process of Kundalini awakening you can see the pulsation down here. You can also through stethoscope; see the rising of the Kundalini and you can see the pulsation in the back bone. Till it reaches here in the fontanel bone area where it breaks through. At that point you do not feel any pulsation. As soon as this happens, from your hands a cool breeze starts flowing. You can feel it on your finger as shown here. These are the terminal points of the sympathetic nervous system within us. These represent all the centres that are inside us and you start feeling them on your fingers, as a... absolutely your own experience. Now first time this Kundalini meets the seat of the spirit which actually resides in the heart and theses ...cool waves are nothing but the manifestation of your spirit. It has been described in all the scriptures. The time has come to prove all the scriptures [inaudible - to you?] but you have to be connected with the mains. For example if this instrument is not connected with the mains it cannot be used. In the same way if we are not connected with the mains we have no meaning. In the Big Primordial Being we are small cells, the microcosm and the macrocosm. Every cell has to be awakened to know how it is connected with the whole. So, by Self-realization you must expect to get your wholesomeness. So, that it means that in your consciousness you should be able to feel others and yourself otherwise it is not Self-Realization. If your Spirit is manifesting it should be able to relate to you...where are you. Your eyes have to be opened; you should be able to see. If there is light you can see everything clearly. In the same way you can see on your fingers, you can make out what are the centres are in problem. These centres on the left-hand side are dealing with the mental side...uh...with the emotional side. This is the...uh...was described by Mister Freud as psyche. He was a half-baked scientist because he could only see one thing in us. He could not see other side which is responsible for our action...the power of action. Which...which gives you the physical and the mental side. He should say that you should not have any conditioning and you should remove all your conditionings and you should not believe in any taboos given by any prophet or anyone because if you do that then you condition yourself. But he does not know to do that we have to use this power and by doing this, using this power, we develop the ego. With super-ego you do have problems which trouble you and you can see yourself. But with ego you do not feel the problems yourself but you are problems for others and as a result there is problem also for you because if you use too much of this power, then this power [inaudible] freezes ...you become a very dry personality. If you use too much of this power, then you develop a... liver problem. The medical science does not believe but actually this centre here, the second centre is creating cells out of the fats cells here for the use of the brain. [In the gross, it gives aortic plexus...manifested...power...?] But this cell has...this centre has another very important work is the liver...is the spleen, the pancreas and also the kidney and the uterus. When we [live-give-such- liver starts?] working only for one job, is to think for tomorrow and all the time thinking, then other jobs are neglected. A person who thinks too much always gets a diabetes. Farmers do not get diabetes. They eat such a lot of sugar and they eat such a lot of carbohydrates, they never get diabetes. People who think too much get diabetes. Apart from that they get liver. They get kidney troubles. Sometimes they carry on with one kidney. They have to be in the machine every third day but they do not believe that it is coming from over-thinking. When the Kundalini rises she solves the problems because when she goes between these two, ego and superego, she makes a space. A thought rises and falls off and another thought rises and falls off and there is a space in between. Either the thought comes from the future and becomes the past. So we are jumping on the ego or superego all the time on the cut. In the centre is the present. When the Kundalini rises she sucks both ego and superego and you find a depression in the head and you feel absolutely relaxed. Now you come in the present and you feel extremely relaxed. I always tell a joke about some villagers travelling by a plane and they were told not to take the load...ah...so much load to the plane and they thought that if they put their load on their heads they will be giving some relief to the plane. So they put all their load on their heads and are in tension. Then the pilot comes and ask them, "Why are you putting this load on your head?" They tell, "After all we are worried about your plane". So he says, "This plane carries your weight and this weight as well, you live it on the ground." First they are afraid to live it, they doubt. Gradually they find, "Oh, it is correct." That's what happens after Realization. The Lord, God Almighty who has created this whole great universe, has created you and has given you all the beauties of life, is going to carry all your weight. He...He carries your load otherwise also, what work do you do? If a tree dies you make a good table chair, you think, "We have done a good work!" You are just changing forms of dead to dead. If you make a chair and sit on it, it sits on your head. Then you cannot sit on the ground. You have to always carry chair with you in some form. We might get people later on; glue to them a chair... [Wherever they go?] So the matter which you change into forms gives you habits and enlaverment but I'm not saying that you give up anything. That is another myth. What are you holding? It is nice that this thing belongs to the hotel, no headache for Me. If I had owned it and possessed it, it would have been a headache. The more possessions you have, the more frantic you are. But what I say...you enjoy them! That's only possible after Realization that you do not give up anything but you see the whole drama as a witness. But the main thing is it has to happen to you, some happening has to happen within you. This happening is of Kundalini awakening. It's a living force and a living force cannot be handled by human being because they have done no living work whatsoever. I met a lady, she started arguing with Me, "We are making test...tube babies..." That ...that too is a myth. because two living things you put together, you do not create life but the One who creates billions and billions of such human beings, how great He must be! In our being it is so many interesting things happening but we take it for granted. For example if there is any foreign matter introduced in the body we throw it out. [Inaudible- the body throws it away?] Now if you see in the child bearing while the foetus...I mean the embryo is embedded in the body then it is not expelled out. Not only it is expelled out but it is nurtured, looked after and then at the right time it is expelled. Who does that? Who does that? There is a Deity sitting down here...He's the Deity who is the embodiment of our innocence. He incarnated on this earth at this point...inside the brain at the optic chiasma as Our Lord Jesus Christ. He came on this earth to tell us that we have to seek our spirit, that we are to be born again but most surprising we are getting people authorized by some theological college to give you a baptism. That's just a mechanical thing it is not a real baptism. You have to ask for the real baptism. If you are the seekers of truth, then you ask for real baptism. There is such a lot to be said about all these centres and their Deity and I'll be here for two more days then I'll elaborately tell you but today I want to tell you about the area which lie in this side of ours. [Maybe part of the tape missing...] ...and this area is supraconscious. For example when you take LSD and all that you enter into this area but if you take some other kind of drugs like [Dhatura-marijuana-daïtura?] and all that you go on to that side. Also when you think of dead too much you enter into this area. Now the defect of the whole scientific attitude is this that it is all based on analysis. For example there will be a doctor for one eye and another doctor for another eye but human being is one. The medical doctor cannot treat the psychological problem but Kundalini treats all of them. She integrates all your being, your physical, mental, emotional and spiritual being she integrates. Now the problem is like this... cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga. It cannot be cured by anything else. The reason is now the doctors have also found out in a very research way because I saw it in BBC...that there is an attack from some unknown area on their being...through...by some protein matters...Protein...and they said...they have reached a conclusion that this attack come from the areas which are built in us from the creation. It does not come from without. Now these are the areas from where the attacks come. In our evolution, by balancing things there are many such vegetables and animals which have gone out of circulation. There are some human beings, quiet a lot of them who have also gone out of circulation. For example people like Hitler on the right-hand side, is out of circulation. They are actually devils. On the left-hand side, very sly people who are playing very sly and dirty tricks. [And who are very - heinous -inaudible-full of...?] For example, uh... this Chakra throws the over-supraconscious people, the over ambitious people out of circulation here and this one [throws out...of them there - inaudible?] Now these build up negative forces against the life, against the life. These attacks are from all these areas, two areas I told you. Now the problem with human being is that he goes to extremes. The whole system, the human system is now building up such things like which creates "unique" personality. If you become unique you become malignant. The malignant is like a cancer cell which starts oppressing other cells and turning those cells just like these aggressive ones. So we see one "unique" man and we run after him and we want to become like him and because human live...beings live on very gross level it is very easy to impress them with this kind of thing. That explains people like Hitler could influence Germans. Today a person like Khomeini is influencing poor Iranian. There is no end to such "unique" devilish stupids. Now these two areas, we do not have to go there. Below is the hell which is being painted by so many artists in the West. Even in the East we have many people who have exposed the problems of hell. On top there even you pierce, you enter into the "super-consciousness" and first time in your conscious mind you start feeling the cool breeze, you start feeling the Divine Power which created the whole creation, which is the vital force. Now to be there we have to use some sort of a method and that method is used by the Divine Power itself. Now she...she comes down first as the desire power within you and this is the pure desire power which is not affected by our personal desire or conditioning. The pure desire within us is to become our spirit so that through our spirit we know the Divine. This pure desire rests here for ages with us and the one who is authorized by God, not by theological college, [faces?] this desire, it rises [to tops?]. That's how you become Self-Realized. First time you start feeling your spirit on central nervous system. Whatever is human awareness is expressed in central nervous system. Whatever we have achieved in our evolution is expressed through central nervous system and the autonomous nervous system which are the sympathetic and the parasympathetic, are so far unknown to us...become our own. When we say, "Autonomous" who is the "auto"? Just you brand somebody and then stop thinking about it is not the way a science should move. Who controls this autonomous nervous system? It's your spirit. Your spirit knows you it knows its field and you do not know it. Now first time he manifest in your central nervous system. It is happy and enjoying itself, it enjoys itself. When the attention from here rises to the Kundalini and touches the spirit here, attention enjoys it. Thus your attention becomes enlightened. Sitting down here you can say what is the problem of a particular person. Sitting down here you can say who is Realized and who is not Realized. Tomorrow I'll be able to tell you some stories about it but you all must get your Realization and establish it. The trouble in the West is that there is seeking, they are real seekers, they are very genuine but they do not know how to remain in the centre. They go to extremes. This is one of the problems. Secondly they have developed shopping habits. I call it "Guru shopping". They think they came to Sahaja Yoga also for shopping. First they'll come, attend my program, listen to my lecture then go to another program. This kind of behaviour has made them very frivolous. You have to have depth in you, your seeking should be dignified. If there is no weight in your seeking you will be floating all the time. You cannot go down. Sahaja Yoga requires people of calibre, not the kind of calibre we expect that efficient person should be there or a very rich man should be there or he should be a very great expert in something but the calibre of assiduity to get to the point. I must say for Britishers, though they have been very bad to Indians, I found their young people are people of calibre. They are very difficult to crack. Difficult to crack but once they get it they sort it out. They are not scholarly...they are scholarly but they are more on the deeper side of the search. In London I have now about three hundred people who are first class Sahaja Yogis. They are curing people, they are realizing people and they are now writing about Sahaja Yoga. From Switzerland also I have some very precious [inaudible-disciples-followers- diamonds?]. Gregoire is one of them. He has written a beautiful book about the "Advent". He is a scholar, and a...very intelligent. He wrote a book which was very...would have been very intellectual but I told him to make it a sweet book because they...people who will read it will become absolutely mad. I really tortured his life but for one year he agreed and he made it a very sweet book. He is a man of great attention and concentration and I'm sure where such great Sahaja Yogis resides there must be great and greater seekers. The only trouble is, when you receive the truth you become so enamoured by it that people think you are possessed. It is very difficult to tell people that we have found the truth because for blind people how to say there is light? You can see from their lives how they are transformed. For example...I'll give you a small example of a child who is playing now. He is a child of another Sahaja Yogini, "Brigit", who was in Mexico few years back and you know there is lot of black magic there and this child developed a big lump in front. He would not talk to us or anyone, he was all the time crying, weeping and he was [struck?]. Now this is the centre of Christ. He would not have a cross anywhere near. Actually he hated it but when I rose his Kundalini and took the name of Christ, this opened out. Actually he used to look like a bull about to hit you with the whole attention like that. Very [angry-aggre?], very aggressive and did not sleep in the night. He was very aggressive and could not sleep in the night but as soon this centre opened out and the Kundalini opened the Sahasrara, the Brahmarandra...today you can see what a beautiful child he is! Mother is also completely transformed. Gregoire himself is completely transformed. When he came first to Me I didn't know what was happening, the thoughts were coming like horns and he was attacking everyone. He was an extremely disturbed person. When his sister, elder sister, who is another intellectual saw him so transformed she said, "Who has transformed you of all the persons?" and then she took to Sahaja Yoga also. In the end I have to tell you that the Last Judgment has started. The Kundalini is the way they are going to judge you. Actually you are going to judge yourself, your are going to be given complete chance to improve yourself and there are many great souls taking birth on this earth. There are many children born on this earth who are realized souls. Today we have here four of them who are playing about. They are born realized. Like Antoinette's son is great. He brought a very nice picture to Me today made by him, painting and he told Me, "This is the fort of Shri Krishna". I don't know from where he knew and all His Divine weapons are in this place and all those people who attack us we are going to attack them with these weapons. It's very remarkable how he knows that Shri Krishna is the Samhara Shakti, is the killing power. When they see they know so much, you can't imagine. Most surprising thing that... William Blake, who is a great poet, who wrote poetry long time back has described where I will be staying and where our Ashram is going to be exactly, in his poetry. I lay down the foundation in the...in the place which is called as [Lambeth Way?], and he has mentioned that and first I stayed in [Surrey Hills?]. It's written, "The flames will start at Surrey Hills" and the foundations of the New Jerusalem will be laid at [Lambeth Way?]. Now this is...was written long time, I did not know but recently somebody has sent Me a letter to Switzerland. Krishna has said, "Those who cannot see cannot see." He has also said, "Yoga kshema vahamyam,” meaning, "First you achieve your union then I will look after your well-being. Christ came on this earth to teach us that we have to achieve our eternal being, our spirit. His resurrection is His message so that you all should be resurrected and enter into the Kingdom of God to enjoy all the benedictions of His power.Let us have our realization.
10/10/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6710	What is the technique of a flower becoming a fruit?	Switzerland	Zurich	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	82	Public Program in Zurich (Switzerland), 10 October 1980. Talk , PP in Zurich: …and it is such a living process that [missing part]. [I tell you] there’s no technique. That means you cannot follow any technique. What is the technique of a flower becoming a fruit? When I see people standing on their heads or jumping or doing all kinds of things to seek God, I really think they are still very children, small children. They are still very naive. They should know, that if we have become a human being from amoeba without doing anything, whatever you have to become, you will become. That has to be done. That’s the problem of God and not of yours. It has to be done; otherwise He will have no meaning. The creation will have no meaning if you do not have any meaning. Because if you are on the top of the creation, then something has to happen to you, by which you should know. What is this power that has created you and what is this power which is guiding you? By what power have you become a human being and by what power you are going to become a higher being ? About these things whatever I am talking to you, like a scientist, you must keep your mind very open and not to close your mind in the sense that I put a hypothesis before you. When I put a hypothesis before you it is necessary to see if the hypothesis works or not. If it does not work, well and good. Then you can say, “All right, it has not worked.” But you must try to find out with open mind why it has not worked [in you] instead of criticizing the system, because in this I have nothing to gain. It is you who has to. You cannot give Me anything whatsoever. For your information, and as Gregoire has said, I am quite all right as far as taking is concerned, because I don’t think I need anything from anyone. I’m an over-satisfied person. So only thing what I want to do, the satisfaction that I am enjoying, the joy that I am enjoying, I want to share, and that is a very, very simple thing. It is so simple, like this light which is enlightened can enlighten another light. What does it do? Just it is already enlightened and that light is ready; it’s just adjusting. But there’s another problem I find, that people think, “I am going to do it on my own.” You cannot. There should be somebody who is enlightened, [who] can do it. But this is a very, very important word, “enlightened”. You can find gurus from everywhere and all kinds of, even Western people now have started techniques. The person who is real is not going to do any technique whatsoever except that it is going to just enlighten Spirit, to another Spirit. That’s all. You are all very built-in. See how beautifully you are built-in through your evolution. This is the first power, as I told you. This is the second power which is the power of your action, reaction. This action is physical and mental while this is emotional. The left side as it gives in the gross, the manifestation to the left sympathetic nervous system, this one goes against to the right sympathetic nervous system. This is accepted by doctors, but they do not accept that there are left and right, two sympathetic nervous systems actually inside, which are subtle and what we see outside these kind of chord are being closed up. By this, as I told you, we desire. This is the psyche about which Freud has talked. But he is a very half-state because he talks only about one part. When you try to de-condition this you do it through the second one. Now when you try to de-condition this, what happens, as a by-product of this, ego develops. And the ego starts developing so big that it pushes down the superego and the whole head becomes like a balloon [now]. Only after realization you start seeing that balloon and then you say, “Oh, God, what is this coming out?” It is there. This Mr. Ego is to be seen, how it comes up when you are here. Otherwise you do not understand. Because superego is a thing by which you suffer. When there is superego you feel depressed and you feel lost and everybody says, “He’s miserable.” But when the ego is there, oh, you are very happy, you are on top of the world. You can even become Hitler, you see, absolutely like Hitler. You may have a moustache of his type also or may develop a hairstyle of his type. It is to that extent one can go with this ego and would be saying, “What’s wrong? What’s wrong?” because then you trouble others. Here you are troubled, but it’s better in a way. But this one it’s such a horrid stuff that when it works out you become absolutely unique personality by which you become really malignant in the society. And the society is developed of such people has no love within them. When the ego develops too much the left side becomes absolutely frozen, and people whose ego is developed have a very bad emotional side. That’s the reason why we find there are so many divorces and things coming out because we become very dry persons. We lose our emotions completely, by physical, by emotional. By physical and mental activity we really freeze our heart, and sometimes people have heartaches. In London we had a gentleman who came, who was a dentist and he told Me, “Mother, I have no feeling. I don’t cry. I don’t weep. I have become an [over-tough person].” I said, “How you call that? I mean, a person who is liberated is nothing but love and compassion. From his whole being compassion must flow. Instead of this, what has happen to you?” He said, “I do not feel anything. I do not feel my children. I cannot feel my wife. I’ve become like a stone.” I said, “Are you going to now become stone after becoming a human being, or what?” So, he said, “Mother what am I to do?” I said, “What do you do first of all?” He said, “I go for five miles every day.” I said, “Better stop. What is the need to run for five miles? Going to such extremes of running like mad, what is the need? Why don’t you spend that time with your children, play with them? You’ll be better off.” But ultimately the Kundalini rose in him and he got them back. So this is how we live in imbalances with these two powers. Now the third power which is, which is actually the Kundalini here, we have achieved up to this point, from the top to this one, is the one which has given us our evolution up to this point. We are evolved human beings but still we have not been able to reach our meaning, I mean to find out our whole existence, the justification for our existence. Why we are made human from amoeba state? What was the need for nature to create human beings? What is our speciality? And people are finding it very difficult to explain. They try to give this explanation and that explanation. But actual, simple explanation is this, that you are trying to find your wholesomeness. You are a part and parcel of the whole. You are like [the/a] cell, the microcosm and macrocosm, as they call it. And you have to become aware of that thing. Once you become aware of that great thing, then you are surprised to know that you become collectively conscious. You become. Again I say, you become. There’s no question of just telling you, “Oh, we are brothers and sisters. Let us have United Nations,” and then they fight there or just find jobs for people]. It is not that. Automatically it [happens/ means] when the Kundalini rises from here and She pierces through this fontanel bone, as Gregoire has told you, on the fingers, you see here, you start feeling these centers on the hands. You start feeling. It’s an actualization that happens. You start feeling all these centers on your fingers. Even if you take ten children together and who are realized souls and tie up their eyes and ask them that, “What is wrong with this particular person?” they will all raise one finger, which means he has got throat problems. It is that decides. It is that. But that’s not the only thing. Of course, collective consciousness when it comes into you, you start understanding. “Oh, God, I understand my own centers that are within.” That means Self-realization, understanding about the Self. When you know about your own centers then you know Self-realization. And when you know about the centers of others, you know it is collective consciousness which is built-in. Now see, in human being we have developed certain consciousness. For example, if you want to take a horse through the dirtiest place he wouldn’t mind; he’ll just walk. For him it does not matter. But you cannot go with the horse. You’ll go for about two paces and you’ll turn by saying, “Oh, I just can’t walk.” The horse will walk through; he will have no problem. But you cannot because you have developed that sensitivity within you, you have developed that sensitive nose within you which the, the horse does not have. In the same way you have developed other sensitivities, say to beauty, art, to many things you have developed. I mean, you are much higher than animals, no doubt. And when this happens to you then you realize that you have a much greater sensitivity than before, the one of collective consciousness. In Sanskrit it is called as samadhi chitta. It becomes your own feeling, means you start feeling it on your central nervous system. Your central nervous system is what you have achieved so far up to the human state. Now your nervous system starts feeling a cool breeze. Now this cool breeze has been described by all the Scriptures. This is from the heart, the Spirit. The emission of this cool breeze is the actualization of the Spirit. Our attention becomes one with the Spirit and it starts emitting cool vibrations, which is described, as Gregoire has said, as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. In, in Sanskrit Holy Ghost is called as Adi Shakti. And I think perhaps in India, perhaps because we were people of simpler nature and a simpler living, not so complicated, and because in our country we did not have to face nature so much I mean, you can live in a, in a forest very happily, with very few fruits; they don’t need so many things people started finding out inner being. As you started finding out the outer growth, which you have to grow out, there has to be the inner growth. Like in a tree when the tree grows higher the roots have to grow. For God there is nothing like East and West, oxygen clean and all that. I don’t understand, to be very frank, but the human beings, “We are Eastern. [You are] Western.” It is only that in India the search has been under the being and out here it has been outside. It is only one personality. God never created a world with different nations. And sometimes I forget about My passports completely. I think it’s like a criminal, carrying a number of the crimes you have committed or something like that. We, this is our craziness that we believe that we are different nations, we are different races, we are different beings. He created all this variety to create a feeling of beauty. Because variety creates the beauty. I mean, if you had the same type of noses and same types of faces and same types of hair, you would have been bored of each other. As it is, we are bored. Then I don’t know what [would] have happened to you. As it is, we can’t bear to meet everybody. [They hesitate/ Because I’ve seen people, I mean if they go to meet someone they must have a television in between or they must drink something together or they must go to a cinema. But they cannot sit together and talk for more than five minutes without fighting. This is what we are. We are so boring. So why we are so boring is because we are not collectively conscious. But this lecturing is not going to help you, as I told you. There is no lecturing about it, no talking about it. It has to happen. If it does not happen then it does not happen. I mean, if it does not happen I cannot force it. But it happens to so many people; specially in the West it happens [to many people]. The reason is, as I always say, that England is the heart of the universe. But it is lethargic. Europe is the liver of the universe, which is, which is drinking alcohol.. India is the Kundalini of the world; there is no seeking. God save this universe. I mean, whatever is missing, is missing from the point. Where there should be seeking in India, there is no seeking. People do not seek, because they are becoming sophisticated; they are becoming modern. So they do not want to seek. The seekers are in the West but the problem is, as I told you, in England they are lethargic and in the Europe they are drinking]. Doesn’t matter. Whatever may be the situation at this time, I have a feeling that blossom time is coming. The time has come for people to get their realization. It’s the blossom time. In the Tree of Life we had one or two flowers before and nobody could understand them. They were butchered, never recognized, never. They were killed, they were poisoned, and they were crucified. This is what we have to look at. While even the thugs came in and the swindlers, we were very good to them. We have given them palaces, and houses and beds where there are diamonds, and they are having a very nice time. So, what to do? This human eye has to see. That’s what it’s very difficult. Krishna has said, [Hindi] “The one who can see, can see. The one who cannot see, cannot see.” It’s impossible. No use breaking your head before a person who does not see. Somebody, there is a blind man, you tell him “This is the color of this table cloth.” He’ll say, “What is the color? You tell me.” Now what are you going to tell? He cannot see. And I have seen this is the problem of the West and also of the East. The great writer who is living now in England his name is Dr. Mascaro; you might have heard his name he has written lots of treatises about Gita, and Upanishadas, also Dhammapada and also Bible. He’s a master. And he is a master of Sanskrit language. I went to see him and he gave Me a flower. with a beautiful couplet, “Flower”, [in that, from which] he said that, “Mother, give us light. Give them all light so that they can see. Please give them.” I said, “I’m doing that.” I’m doing that, but somehow people do not know what to expect within themselves. When the awakening takes place the first thing that happens as a by-product that you get physical [health], fitness. The doctor has not come today from Lausanne? We had a doctor. Luckily they were five or six patients who also have come. First thing that happened to a paralyzed lady was that she got all right, with her paralyses which was there for two years. And she told Me, “For the first time I could climb three stories in my house after realization.” The second gentleman had a sort of infantile problem who was bent up completely like that, throughout, and he always used to eat like that; stood up and his back was all right. Thirdly I mean, this happened only in Lausanne because we have done so much this work before there was a lady with breast cancer, and when she came to Me, she, her hands started shaking little bit. She shook for a while and now she is perfectly all right. Who is the fourth one person? And a lady with arthritis, she got all right. And another person who was down with some sort of a, we can say a nervous tension in the stomach, she got all right. So this is nothing; this is just a by-product. The by-product is like that when God has to be invited in your heart, this temple of your body has to be enlightened and cleansed. So the cleansing takes place. It’s a first cleansing [divine in the body through your physical [form]. Now, cancer: I’ve been saying this for the last ten years. For your information I’ve cured our president Sanjiva Reddy, [there it took him five hours], of his cancer. You know he had cancer of lungs. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaj Yoga. It’s a fact. I’ve been talking about it, saying about it. Some doctors accept it but most of them do not. The reason is, you cannot take money for Sahaja Yoga. How many doctors are willing to accept this proposition? There is nothing mercenary about it. You cannot take money for this. If you get enlightenment you have to give enlightenment free of cost. On the left and the right of these two, there is an area which is collective subconscious and the collective supraconscious. These are the two areas which are unknown to us, and from here all esoteric and all sorts of experiences come to us. For example, people start seeing light or they start feeling that their body is taken away or all sorts of good experiences come from this movement or this movement. Now these are the areas we have to avoid completely and we have to be in the central path. We have to be in the light of moderation and not of the extremes. But if you go too much of this side or to that side you fall into problems. Now I have seen all the cancer patients that I have seen so far had a problem from the left side, most surprising. Either they had some sort of a false guru there. Leukemia, leukemia is caused by the entry of some sort of invaders from this area. Now, you’ll be amazed I’ve been saying this for the last ten years but I saw in the BBC recently they have found out that there are some proteins which they call them as protein 52, protein this and that, which are invading us from some unknown area they do not know precisely ? from some unknown areas, and these areas are built within us since the creation. This is accepted now by the cancer research. But their research is something like a blind walking in, into a black pool. He says, “Now this is the chair. So we found the chair. So there is a chair.” I say it’s better that you get the light and see for yourself everything what it is. That’s a much better way of knowing. This is known as self-knowledge. When the self gives you the light, we start seeing all these things within us and understanding them. Now these areas are very, very dangerous. For example, those who indulge into say, some sort of a supraconscious experimentation, like flying. For example, some people are now trying to fly. See, there are courses to fly. I don’t understand. You’ve got your aeroplane. Why do you want to fly in the air? Now this flying business is done nothing but by the spirits. They take away your spirit outside and you feel that you are removed from the point. But this area is the most dangerous thing for children, because this ego develops in a grown-up person, but in a child there is no ego. So when these bodies take away the soul of a child, it is difficult for the child to come back to life. And you’ll find the child suddenly dead without understanding the reason for his death. This is because now you have let loose all these areas into the present tense. Never, never before on this earth, such a mess of horrible things. Because of these horrible fake gurus, also the indulgences of ourselves into different techniques by which either move this side or that side, like ESP and all sorts of the techniques, that are all… Some other was, to stop your drinking you have to say, “I don’t drink.” So you develop your ego; you go this side. All this deliberations of human beings which come from an unknown source make the person enter either into this side or that side and creates such a number of complications. The permutations and combinations, when I see them I am really amazed. Now where do we have to go? Because this side is the hell. So we have to go there and to be on the top of your head is the power which is all-pervading, about which all the Scriptures have said that there is an All-pervading Power. Now are we to believe that or not? Are we to say they were all wrong, who told us this? Was Christ wrong? Was Nanaka wrong? Was Adi Shankaracharya wrong, who said that you have to achieve that state? They were all wrong or we are wrong? Actually, when I was born my father himself told Me he was a realized soul that no use talking to human beings about all this. At the most they can crucify you. They won’t understand. What you have to do is to find out a method by which you give en masse realization, by which you raise these people who are on the first floor, to the second or the third floor so that they see there is beyond and they will understand. Otherwise they will definitely crucify you. I said, “All right.” And I worked very hard. At the age of my forty-seven years, for ten, eleven years back I found out a method by which we can have en masse realization not individual but en masse realization. And as Gregoire has told you that I worked more in the villages. Cities I’ve left for the thugs. Let them work out, because they are interested in your purse. The villagers don’t have any money. They are simple people; let them have realization. Let the city people run after these mad people. There are some people who are giving something like a diamond and this and that. Is that what God is going to give? Why don’t you go and purchase diamonds in the market? It’s very simple. But this is what it is. We must know what to do then. We have to find out our wholesomeness. We have to find out our own power, our own power, not the power of the guru. Even if the guru is right, what does it matter? What about your own power? Have you been able to find your own power? Your own power manifested by which you raise the Kundalini of these people, you give them Realization, by which you cure people, by which you give them all the peace and by which you give them their spiritual ascent by which they live in bliss and happiness. This is how you enter into the Kingdom of God by entering through this alone. All these chakras are the basic seven chakras [we have] and they have got different deities who are settled down. I would say the red mark you see here is the center across the optic chiasma where it crosses each other. It’s a subtle centre and that centre controls your pituitary and pineal by which pituitary controls ego and the pineal controls your superego. And when the Kundalini rises through this parasympathetic, integrating you completely, enters into that area, goes beyond it, you find there is no thought in your mind. You become thoughtlessly aware. It is called as Nirvichara Samadhi in Sanskrit language. One may say, “It’s a very difficult thing, Mother. How?” But the thing is, if I can do it there must be something about Me. I’ve done it; it’s really I can do it. So there must be something about Me. Instead of doubting Me it’s better this: I can do it; why not have? Some say that it takes thousands of years, it takes this thing, that thing. But all right. I am a master of that. If I can do it, why do you have any objections? The other day a doctor came to Me and he said, “I think I should do it myself.” I said, “Very good. I’ll be very happy, sir, if you take My place. If you can do it, nothing like it. I would like to retire. I’m really tired now working on people. Can you do it? Now, you are a doctor. You know how to drive. I don’t know how to drive a car. If you are driving My car I have no objections. In the same way if I drive your Kundalini what objections can you have? If you can drive the Kundalini I’ll be very happy. Why don’t you do it?” But he cannot do it. That’s the main part. Then I said, “You better take My [seat/place].” I’ll be very happy because it’s a tremendous work, requires tremendous powers, tremendous patience. And when you will come to Sahaja Yoga you will realize that only a Mother can do it. It’s a question of tremendous patience. They don’t want their realization. They don’t understand the realization. They are children. They are getting drowned. You have to tell him, “My child, take care of yourself. Please have this.” You have to explain to him. It’s such a difficult task. Mr. Ego is very powerful. At the smallest point they come onto their egos. They say, “Oh.” Any point they’ll pick up and say, “Oh.” This is not [right]. The other day only I said one significant point about. I said, “Christ has said, ‘Thou shall not have adulterous eyes’.” And in the Bible it is written that, “Thou shall not commit adultery.” It was all said for your good. Very important it is. You see, in India we commit the sin against the Father that we don’t believe that our Father Almighty is going to look after, look after us. Krishna has said, “Yoga Kshema vahamyaham”. Vahamyaham, “When you get your yoga, then I’ll look after your kshema, means well-being.” He has promised it, but we Indians don’t believe in it, you see. That’s why we have problems, and that’s why we are doing something else that you are not doing. But we have to see the problems of this country or of the West, is that we are doing sin against the Mother. These days it’s allowed to have a woman as a keep. It is not allowed to have. This is absurd, absolutely absurd. You have to marry and lead a sensible life, in the centre, have children, and be good, righteous people. Of course, now the life as it is we have committed sin on this side and we have committed sin on the other side. But doesn’t matter. Makes no difference whatsoever. Whatever we have done, forget about it. The another fashion we have in the West is to develop a guilt. For anything. It’s a fashion, absolutely is a fashion; take it from Me. I’m dealing with the Western people more. So I will tell you how the fashion comes in. I don’t know how it comes in. Maybe we have to go and confess before the priest maybe, and I don’t know how it comes in. But everybody’s guilty about everything. Even people living here are guilty about the people, say, in North, North Korea or South Korea or Vietnam or something like that. I mean, you are just here. Why to feel guilty about there? You are doing anything wrong? You are good people. Why to feel guilty? But it is an escape to feel guilty about something. Like in France I was surprised, we found people, the French people, that they were very unhappy and very complaining all the time, and I was surprised why they were so depressed. And very boring also in that way. I said, “Why are you boring yourself with this kind of an idea that you are the most miserable people, like Mr. Hugo has said, ‘Les Miserables’, all of them settled down in France.” I said, “What is there? Look at the nature. See to that. How beautiful it is. Have you thanked God for that? Have you said, ‘Oh Lord, thank you very much for what you have given us.’ Have you ever, ever been thinking at that? Unless and until you thank God, how will you know the joy of thanking? You do not want to thank God. That’s why you should be miserable. You have to show that you are miserable. Otherwise you may have to thank God for that, whatever He has given you. He has given you this beautiful [body/]. He has given you this human awareness. He has given you so many things for which there has to be endless thanks.” But we are unhappy about small, small things. Even if the tap is not running all right we get absolutely upset and say, “Ah,” as if the whole world has collapsed. Even the smallest thing upsets us like that. Now, in France, they told Me that, “Mother, You are extremely happy person, but people will think You have no character if you are that happy.” I said, “Really?” “So then you have to show your character by showing that you are very unhappy.” I said, “I find this impossible. You know I, I cannot be seriously unhappy for more than one minute and again I get into a big laugh as a joke. I cannot, and when I see such people I laugh even more.” What is there to be so miserable for? Are you crucified on the cross? Some people said, “We have to suffer.” Why? Christ has suffered for you. Why do you now suffer second time? All right, He has done the suffering for you. Finish it off now. And He never suffered because He was like Me, those who never suffer. But our idea about Christ is also that He was bony person; He was nothing but bones. This is all our idea, because we are so miserable ourselves we cannot see Christ. How can you carry a cross on your body if you are a bony person like that? Can the, these bones, what you call the skeleton, can it carry a cross? Even you people who are supposed to be healthy cannot carry a cross. He was a very healthy man. Only Michelangelo could see that He was like that. All such expressions make Me feel that it’s a drama people have created just to avoid God, not to accept His presence, that “we are very miserable”. In Paris, I asked these people, I’m sorry to say, French, same about Swiss, not much difference. That, they said, “We are very miserable, Mother.” I said, “There are ten prostitutes on this street when you walk ten minutes, and the whole thing is going into alcoholism and you, the miserable creatures, what are you doing about it? You have no time to be happy. What miseries have you got? I don’t see any miseries. It is only your own mind.” While in a poor country you go, I went to Africa, [I’ve met] people. You go to some aboriginals, oh they will have, whatever they’ll have they bring it to you and they will be embracing you; they’ll be full of joy. I asked, “What’s the matter?” “Oh, you don’t know?” I said, “What happened?” “Can you not see what has happened?” I said, “What?” “Oh, something great has happened.” I said, “What, what has happened?” “You don’t know what has happened? First time we have got the flowers in this [tree].” We don’t even see flowers. There’s a, a Sahaja Yogini met Me. Now she’s a Sahaja Yogini. Of course she is different, and she has many dimensions [within]. She said, “Mother, I never knew we have trees in Lausanne.” Can you imagine? Such a beautiful place is wasting all its beauty on the people. I mean, it’s so joyous and so beautiful, but people can’t see. They have no eyes. What are they seeing? What do they see? I just can’t understand that when you cannot see His grace and witness that peace within you. I feel miserable, too, because I think, “Why have you made yourselves miserable for nothing? Everything is there.” This I tell you because for your realization you have to have a cheerful mood, not [a very/] sorrow [one]. You have to have a cheerful mood to get your realization. You have to be like a flower to become. If you cannot be like a flower how will you become a fruit? If you are like a thorn do you think I can make fruit out of you? You have to be like a flower in a very cheerful, joy-giving [mood] that is very important. Now, as I told you this Kundalini is coiled down here in three and a half coils. Now what is the mathematics and all that we have discussed? I mean, I’ve given about three hundred, or more than that, lectures in India and they have got tapes and Gregoire has written a beautiful book, a big book which you can buy from him and read it, about Sahaja Yoga. But I think God, I have to assure everyone ,that He has put all these centres within you [They look like lotuses and they are within, all ready and you are just ready to get your realization. It’s a very, very subtle [control]. I should say it’s a play. But because sometimes you are complicated here or complicated there, for some sort of a complication, specially with this kind of this malady of feeling all the time guilty comes up on the left Vishuddhi, here. And that one is such a horrible stuff, I tell you that, that gives a real pain in the neck, and that is what troubles people very much when they get realization. The another problem that comes up here is the Agnya which controls your ego or superego. In this I would say that the young people, specially from the Western countries because we are dealing with the Western people, discovered that their forefathers had lot of ego. They could see the balloon of the ego. So they decided to have another style of life. They said, “Let’s start an anti-culture. Now finish this tail coat trim and take to something simple.” That was a very good of them to think like that it is too much egoistical and that they could not face themselves as egoists. This was a very great thing, because they are saints, they are seekers and they felt that in this ego-satisfaction we are not going to achieve anything. But from there, they, they had no proper guidance whatever it was, and in their ignorance I would say they shifted from ego to superego by taking drugs. Now the drugs is a manoeuvring of a very cunning group of people who just wanted to make money out of your seeking, out of your naivety. And they offered you drugs. Of course with drugs one thing definitely has happened to people: they have started seeing that there are other areas also. But these areas are quite dangerous. By knowing these areas they have started at least thinking that there are some other areas. But as I told you, these two difficult areas where you enter into are no good for you. Now by going to superego also what has happened that you developed your superego. Like a gentleman who came to Me, he was dressed up with his hair all knotted up, you see, like an aboriginal. He came to see Me. And he is a PhD, you see. So I said, “Why do you dress up like an aboriginal?” He said, “I want to become an aboriginal.” I said, “You cannot. Your brain is too modern. Only by growing hair how will you become? Your brain is such a modern speedy stuff, it doesn’t stop for one minute. It’s going thinking, thinking, thinking like mad. How will you stop it? Only by growing your hair like an aboriginal? You cannot do it. Brain has to be brought to the normal condition.” He said, “I agree that, that has to be done.” And this is what it is happens to you that when you develop this left side. Left and right start fighting and then bubbles out and you become extremely speedy; the speed starts working. The speedometer is this, I would say the speedometer is another different centre which looks after your liver, which looks after your spleen, your pancreas, then your kidneys and your [intestines]. This is the Swadishthana chakra, the second centre [here]. Now what happens, it has another very important point which medical profession doesn’t agree, but may not agree, but it is the most important thing it has to do is put to convert the fat of the stomach for the use of the brain. When you start thinking too much, then this process is expedited and when it is expedited all that flows to the brain. And, but this poor thing, one centre cannot do all the jobs in a balanced way. So your liver gets spoilt. Most of the people in the West have bad liver because of their thinking habits. They go on thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. Such a burning process starts. They seek the sun. On top of that they go and tan themselves. Now this is really madness. Because if you tan on top of this your head will be melting more of fat cells and you will need more passing of the fat cells up there, up there and that’s why you develop your skin troubles and skin diseases and skin cancers. So a person who thinks too much has to know that we have to take our thinking process to a balance. When Kundalini rises on top there, She just makes you thoughtlessly aware. But the knob of the speedometer is the spleen. The other day I was telling these people how the spleen works it out. It’s very interesting. For example, you are eating your food. Suddenly you feel you must go very fast. And for Me to keep pace with the people here, is impossible. I mean, I have not even done one tenth of the food when they have finished and the plate is out. I just start looking, “Oh, I wouldn’t eat it now.” Out of formality I just get up and say, “All right.” Then they say, “You didn’t like the food?” “I like it but the speed with which people eat.” And then, they, they leave everything and then run fast, fast for their work. But by that the poor spleen has to make more blood cells, more blood cells. Now when you start making more blood cells and more blood cells it becomes absolutely bizarre. It’s tired, it goes mad, it does not know what to do. When it becomes tired, then the blood cells that it produces are weak. They are weak blood cells and then the attack comes in the left side and you develop leukemia. We have cured leukemia hundred per cent. But only if you want your realization, then only it cures. We do not cure people who do not want realization. Our job is not of the doctors. Otherwise all the doctors will crucify Me. I’ve told them I have nothing to do with the people, there’s no profession of Mine, but those who want realization I’ll cure. And they, and they get cured. I should say they get cured. But I don’t want to challenge your ego. Again [if I, you can] say I’ll cure you become [unclear]. Anything I say, I’ll do. But if I was a doctor, you see, and if I was treating you, you don’t mind. You become absolutely silent. Like the other day I had a patient who was a doctor and when I started treating him, he didn’t like it, the other position/[possession], you see. Always he has been treating patients and he could not bear it up that I, he was treated by us, you see. And he would look at these very badly. He said, “I don’t want people to treat me.” I said, “Then how can you be cured? You have to accept that for a change somebody else to be your doctor. All right, doesn’t matter, nothing wrong.” So this is what happens with our movement of the sun, when we have too much of sunlight for a period. Now as I told you that our search has been in the West on the right hand side, then all the five elements constitute this area and we have been searching into the five elements to find out how to improve them or you can say how to use them, or manoeuvre them for our own purpose, how to work it out for us. For example, if a tree is there, then you make a beautiful, say, tree made furniture, or a [unclear] furniture, or something like that, from one dead to another dead. What we do is to convert the form of one dead into another dead. We do nothing. That’s why it is ego because we do not do anything and still we think we have done, from one form to another form. Actually, by doing that it so happens that we become slaves of the nature. For example, if you are used to the chair you cannot sit on the grass. If you are used to a comfortable bed then you cannot sleep on the ground. You start missing it. You form habits. So the matter gives you habits. When you start with becoming materialistic you become like matter, like machine. You don’t think. You just go on. You must have seen Charlie Chaplin’s “Modern Times”, you see. He, he was really a visionary to see what happens to human beings when they will become machines you see, they will be just… Now we don’t like machines in the West. For example, people like here cotton cloths. They like it; they like. Cotton they prefer more than nylon. I mean, nobody will think of it. But in India I have to take nylon saris from here to please My relations who have got cottons. You can imagine the, the other way round thing that is going on in India, the other way round here. They want the machinery and you want to run away from the machinery. I wish some people to convince Indians now better not do all these things and have a short [of needs, sari]. Better understand that these machineries are like devils. Once they start producing they will need more to eat, more to eat. They’ll take out so much from the Mother Earth that after some time you’ll find you have nothing but plastics and artificial things. So this is what is happening to us on the right hand side that we are progressing too much on the material [side]. I mean, it’s really maddening. America is one of the places I should say it’s quite maddening, baba. I mean they have varieties in everything. I like varieties say for, you have some beautiful [ties]. In beauty I like varieties. But everything must not be a variety. For example, a handle. Now every handle should be different. If you go to any American bathroom please find out from them how to use the handle. Otherwise you’ll land up into great difficulties. Suddenly you’ll find from somewhere the water will be pouring onto you and you’ll be completely drenched with absolutely ice cold water. They have so many gadgets, and this and that, that you get lost in that. There is no need to do all these. You have a simple method to of taking your bath. What is the need to have so many things? For example now, glass. You must have a special glass for this thing, and a special glass for that, and a special glass for that. Why? One glass itself is sufficient. I think you can have everything in that. What is the need to have all these things unnecessarily? It’s a headache, I tell you, to wash them, to clean them, put them right. And on top of that to give to insurance for saving them from being stolen out. So it’s better to have simpler life. But the thing is when the activity on this side increases also these goods come in the market and they start [buying]. It’s surprising. For example, in Switzerland I was surprised that in the market you cannot get anything but ties and chocolates made in Switzerland. They import them. I asked, “Why? What, what is the matter? Why don’t you produce something?” They said, “The, the man-power is so short and that it is so expensive that we find it easy to get it from China than to make it here.” So at least we have to accept that some people have to do this work for the machinery and some people have to do the work of handmade. So in the same way a thing that has been discovered now, is for the whole universe. It is neither for the left or the right. It is neither for the East or for the West. It is for the whole universe. It is because this is what one has to jump in. This is what the evolution has to take to. You are human beings and you have to become super human beings. This has to happen, whether you like it or not. If you do not have it yet, you help with it. But better have it too. Why will you? This is simple. But people can’t understand something which you get free. Because somebody asked Me, “How can it be possible? There must be some snag.” I said, “There is no snag. It’s a simple thing.” But they can’t understand a person can do it, something without any payment. Now, why not think of Christ. How much money did He take from you to talk about God? How many forces these people had with them? And how many palaces He built for Himself from your money? He lived as a carpenter when He was a carpenter. He didn’t take any money from anyone, whatever it is. Now today my husband is such and such and I’m a housewife. So I dress up like a housewife. If I was say an ordinary person, say a person who is not having sufficient money, I would have slept on the ground. I can, even today. I have no problem. I have no problem. I can sleep anywhere, I can live anywhere. I have no problem. I can go by bus, I can go by tram, I can walk. These two feet are there. What is there? But these things come to a person who is not there. The one who cares for these things cannot be a holy man [in these days]. Of course, when you have to live like a king, you live like a king. But from inside you are not attached to it. Now for this also we have started a new style. I mean, for everything they have an answer. All these people have an answer for every sort of thing you could want. We have gurus and gurus in India. For example, there is a guru. He says, “You must wear orange dress.” All right. So they start wearing an orange dress. Now, but the orange dress man is an ascetic. And then he says, “You must have sex liberation.” Now how can you meet these two things? Just see, it is something so absurd that any Indian can understand the absurdity of this kind of neo-sanyasa. How can you be a sex addict and also a sanyasi? This is to describe that such a person is not going to get married, he has nothing to do with sex but he has dedicated his life for God. On the contrary, here it is they are having mass sex action, this, that, which never Indians knew about, and he is doing all emancipation for the people who are quite experts here. There is no need for you to have a guru in this way. You see, this was just a guru provided because you thought that at least you have some sort of a conscience by which you understand maybe they are not doing wrong. So if there is a guru you think even if anything goes wrong we’ll say, “This guru was there. He taught us.” But this guru is going to hell first, much before anybody goes. Whatever are the eternal ideas about life, are eternal. You cannot change them. If you try to change them you see the problems come. For example, we have changed the idea, say, about chastity. First thing will happen, diseases. I have seen. Why do they suffer? In America every third seeker who comes to Me suffers from very bad disease. Even in Switzerland I’ve seen they suffer from diseases. Why do you suffer from diseases if it is liberation? Why do you suffer from jealousies? Why do you have maladies in the family? Why people give up their husbands’ and wives’ relationship and have divorces if it was [healthy/needed]? If it was healthy, if it was congenial to your being, it would have been a joy to everyone, to [protect you/the country]. But it does not. Because I’m dealing with your side I’m telling you this, that it is not congenial and thus we have to understand ourselves, our sustenance, ourselves, that these things go against our dharma. The other day in England, a BBC fellow came to Me, questioning Me. And you know how they are, very blind and extremely arrogant. And I’m better than them, to control I know how to control them. So they asked Me few questions. According to them they were very intelligent. And the first question he asked Me, that, “Instead of doing this work in England” – I mean, I have stopped people taking drugs and all that, I have cured so many people, no thankfulness about it but “Instead of doing this work in England, why don’t you go to India and solve your poverty problem [as a great/arrogant personality]?” I said, “Sir, I’m in England, on your soil. I don’t want to say something that is little indecent. But as you have asked the question I have to tell you. Who is responsible for our poverty? When all the Western people went all over the world to dominate other countries and have kept them still down, who is responsible for it?” But he would not take it that way. Then he kept quiet on that point. So he found out another point. He said, “What about your population problem?” I said, “I’m sorry, sir, even here you are responsible.” He was amazed. He said, “How are we responsible for your population problem?” I said, “See in England it’s a fact that every week two children are killed by parents themselves. Nobody can believe it in India but it is like that. It’s a fact.” I said, “Which foolish child would be born here? We have to get the birth in India. You are going minus. You are suffering from impotency. People are suffering and sixty-five per cent people in America are suffering from impotency, young. How can you produce children?” In Switzerland itself out of five families only one family produces child. It’s a fact. You can find out. What are we to do? These children are to be born. There’s a Last Judgment has started. So they are taking birth in India. Why do you blame us? You better pay. Even if we try very hard we’ll have to have them here because the way we love our children, the way we look after them, whatever, we may be poor, but we have heart for them. And we are not Romeo and Juliets all our lives. I mean, even at eighty they are divorcing. I mean, all sorts of nonsense going on. All the heroes and heroines like the, this Mrs. Kennedy business and all that. I mean, I can’t imagine these women. They will be thrown out of everything, of the society, all such women. People won’t see that faces in the morning. If you see such a face on the newspaper in the morning they will wash the newspaper, wash their eyes and throw it in the dustbin. Such inauspicious people you have here as [unclear] there’s another seven times married woman. What’s her name is, Elizabeth Taylor. She’s always on the cover page. If you go to the BBC program, then hero is this man who kills seven wives, the one who kills seven queens. He is always the hero there. I mean, what has happened to Shakespeare? Where has he disappeared? You people have created such an atmosphere that no chaste person can exist. If a housewife has to talk to someone she cannot talk because she’s regarded as a useless woman. She must work, she must earn. Her looking after her children is not regarded as a very great. But in our country I must tell you that, I mean we are, in other some respect we are really very horrid people, in certain aspects they are terrible here. Be careful on that part. I mean, never trust them on this point. But on this point I must say that in India a woman, if she’s a housewife, she has to wear nine things as a decoration of her form if she is out there. You see, I’m wearing all these, some of them, but you have to wear many more. Nine things you have to wear in India to show that you are a housewife. And it’s the most auspicious thing to see a housewife in India. A housewife is treated like a Goddess, and there is a place within us which is for a housewife, which is the spleen. She is the ruler of the spleen in the human beings, called as Gruha Lakshmi, is the goddess of the housewives. There is no conception like this here. In England we had arranged a marriage of a Sahaja Yogini with a person who was a Sahaja Yogi himself. First she was not a Sahaja Yogini when he married her and she did not have the concept of a Gruha Lakshmi. So he told her something that, “This must be cleaned,” or something. She said, “Why are you telling me?” So she came to Me. I said, “Why don’t you understand? This is your house. You must be clean. You must look after it.” In England men are absolutely, you see, they are, I don’t know, they are servants. They fix the breakfast for the wives. They fix their beds. I don’t know if they give them baths or whatever. Means that everything the man has to do. You see, poor these husbands have really [hard time there]. And these women are very [foolish/cruel to them]. So I asked her, “Why, why don’t you do this household work? After all, this is your job. What is wrong?” She said, “No, I’m not a housewife.” I said, “What? What’s wrong [in/with] a housewife?” She said, “No, housewife is never respected in England.” I said, “What do you say?” “Yes, the, you see, I was a secretary of somebody. He was more fond of me than of his wife. He used to respect me more than his wife.” I said, “He must be mad.” She said, “No, he was quite sane and a very successful man and he never cared for his wife and he treated her just like[filth.” I said, “ I am surprised. How can that be? Because in the society, say for example if I go with My husband I’ll be sitting next to him, on the same position as he, even his second man, he may be anything, he will sit next to Me. Even in England. Do you think his secretary is going to sit next to him?” Then she said, “Yes.” I said, “This is the position of a housewife. The housewife is treated with the same respect as the man, even today in England. Now whatever you may do about it, it’s different.” So she changed her attitude. This is what it is, is the centre of housewife, which is a very important centre, because that’s the centre of the mother. The mother is the one who has to give that security, that love, that attention. She has to bear up all the problems upon herself. But they do not; they do not. Here even a seventy-years-old woman talks as if a sixteen-years-old. Why?I mean, you are ashamed, like you just, you do not know what to say, the way, you are so embarrassed the way they talk about themselves that they are in, this is their seventh husband they are marrying. At seventy, the seventh. At eighty is the eighth. What about your children? Some are there. Some are there. All of them are in the orphanage. Your husband, wife, the seven husbands and seven wives in the orphanage and their eighty-four children are also in the orphanage only. There is no household, there is no house, there is no there’s no joy, there’s nothing, there’s no security. The first thing is the thinking/feeding of [your nest?]. The idea that you can achieve God without marrying is absurd. You cannot. Most people who are not married are very difficult for realization. Of course, it is all right, I mean, if you are young, yet not married. You can get married later on. But marriage is sanctioned by the collective . The collective being sanctions your marriage. You have to respect it. This institution is not your own. It’s created by God. Somebody told Me that this constitution is not by God. I said, “How do you know?” He said, “Animals do not marry.” I said, “Are you animal? Or are you going to become animals?” Supposing an animal takes away this book nobody will call it a thief, will they? He takes away anything. I mean, you have seen rats and things, monkeys, everything taking away for them as if their own. But a human being if he does it, you’ll say “Why?”. In the same way if the animals do not marry it’s not a crime, but if human beings do not marry in the eyes of God it is [wrong. It’s a fact. Because if it was not why people are punished? You see, it’s so [unclear]. And the unhappiness comes from that, believe Me. If your parents were happily married, and if you had a happy family, you would never have taken to drugs or to any such things and your security would have been very well built. Now, whatever our parents have failed, maybe more, whatever it is, let us give it to our children. Let them have that security that we love each other and that there is a family within us which is going to look after our next generation and they are going not to be tortured because of our whims and our ideas, that we are going to give them that security. Otherwise population in India will grow again. If you do not decide that, we’ll have a problem in India. I must tell you this is one of the reasons why all the developing countries are having population problems because developed countries are incapable of sustaining children. It’s a very serious thing. I mean, that you are loving people. You know what love is. But it cannot be only this romanticism all your life. You have to have love for your children, love for your country, love for everyone around in their own period. There has to be this understanding of love which is missing. Like there is no sisterly relationship. An eighty-years-old man marrying a sixteen-years-old girl. I mean, this is nonsense, absolute nonsense. It’s ego, nothing but ego. Foolish ego and stupid ego, it gives you stupidity; that’s what it is. How can an eighty-years-old man marry a sixteen-years-old girl? Like this Khomeini has got a wife; she’s sixteen years. I mean, he is stupid from every angle, but this angle was exposed to Me recently that he has married a girl who is sixteen. I mean, ego at its best stupidity, this Mr. Khomeini. And there are so many you know, Idi Amin and all the other people who are now gone away but see, but there are many like this, all ego-oriented people. Because ego ends up in stupidity. An ego-oriented person becomes nothing but stupid. It ends up because, “What’s wrong?” What’s wrong being stupid? Nothing wrong. Only you are a stupid person. That’s what it is. If you are doing stupid things it is stupid. So when a person tries to satisfy his ego, if it goes on and on and on ultimately it ends up into stupidity. We have a very good example of a saint, called Narada, who became very conscious of his powers. He was saint, Narada, very great. And he challenged Shiva. He said, “What is this Shiva? He also married Parvati and he was also won over by Kamadeva. And what is He? He’s nothing compared to me. I am a person. I am a brahmachari. I am an ascetic one.” So Vishnu is the one who resides here, who gives us the, our evolution, is the one who played the tricks with him. And He took him to some acre, a city of illusion called as Mayanagar. Here they created a, a, a princess who was to be married. It’s all an illusion. Now this fellow went there and he sent two of his people, friends, to him, saying that, “You go and tell him that you are a very handsome man.” So, they went and created an atmosphere of false [face] for this saint. They said, “Oh, you are a very handsome man, a very good. Why not try for the princess?” He said, “No, I am an ascetic.” He said, “Whatever it is, she will be impressed by your excellencies [GW: excellences?]. She will definitely put the garland into your neck and she will not give the chance, and even a glance at others.” Now, this fellow, the handsome Mr. Ascetic, you see, he thought oh, he’s so great. And actually he, he had started looking like a monkey, actually. But they said, “Oh, what a beautiful man you, this that,” happened like that. So he went into that Mayanagari, into that city of illusion and he sat himself like a very big hero waiting for the princess to choose him. And the princess was moving with the garland around. And when she saw this monkey she couldn’t help laughing. She started laughing and laughing and rolling around. He couldn’t understand what it is. He thought, “Now she’s very happy. She’s going to garland me.” His stupidity, you see. So then she, she took her garland and she was still smiling, laughing and she went and garlanded somebody. He could not understand. These two people who were just trying to praise him and pamper his ego, he said, “What’s the matter?” “[We/You] don’t know what’s the matter.” “I don’t know.” “You are the most handsome man going round.” But when he looked around everybody was laughing at him. He said, “What’s wrong with me?” “There’s nothing wrong with you. It’s nothing wrong. It’s perfectly all right. You are the best man, you are the greatest personality and everybody is looking at you.” He said, “They are feeling happy. You don’t, don’t understand.” And his ego was pampered and then he went to wash his face, you see. And he went to a lake and in the lake he saw his image. “Oh, God. What a stupid fool I was.” And at that time the whole illusion city disappeared, telling him that you were under a myth. And this myth has to drop out today. We are beautiful, we are eternal, we are the source of joy if we become the Spirit not the ego. We have to become the Spirit which is the eternal being within you. I see that. In all of you I see that. I see the clouds and I know the clouds can be removed. I love you and worship you very much that you should get that Spirit expressed in your awareness, that it should become your experience, that you should become that eternal being, that eternal beauty within you by which you should shine in all joy, happiness and bliss. And become that for which you are made, to become that instrument for which you are created. Like a, a thing which is connected to the mains and start manifesting, you start manifesting immediately. Immediately you start manifesting. If you want to feed, you start feeding other people. It’s a very great experience of ages, as I told you, that at the Nala time it was promised, it was promised by all the big saints and big incarnations. Mohammed Sahab has promised it as He said that you have to become active. You have to get your Ruh. It’s called as Ruh. Ruh means this cool breeze, as described in the Bible. It’s very elaborately done. But the greatest work has been done by Adi Shankaracharya who has said, “Na yogena, na samkhyena.” By all these talking and all that, philosophies, you are not going to get it, but through the Mother’s grace you’ll have. So now, here I am, at your service, at your disposal. Make the use of Me as you like. But what we have to request you that to get it you have to pay attention to your heart, to your Spirit, to humble down into your heart. There’s a beautiful couplet that, “Whenever I want to see my Lord I have to just bend my head and I’ll see Him in my heart.” That’s what it is. And it should happen to you. As I told you, in such a short time it’s not possible to say all the things about this great knowledge within you. It’s the instrument, and the whole mechanism has a big history behind it. But I only say that when you enter in the room I’ll tell you where is the buttons and you open, you find out the light. That’s all it is. If I start telling all the history and all that you’ll be fed up. There is a history behind it all. So what is the need? First of all you have the light, enjoy yourself and then we’ll talk about. But it happens only to for these people who are really hungry for it. It works out in the people who are really hungry for it. Those who are not, it does not. It does not work out. It’s difficult. So you have to think of your desires because I told you that’s your pure desire. So understand what is your pure desire is, which you achieve and get it. Another thing which I have already told you and again, I’ll emphasize that you should not feel guilty about anything. It’s a kind of an escape. It’s a very subtle escape. Whatever you have done, I mean the so-called sins as they say, what are they if I am talking about the Ocean of Love? If there is an ocean what is the speck of the thing that you hide? Why should you worry about it and think about it? It’s nothing; it’s nothing. Because you are saints you are seekers. You have to get it, it’s your right that you have to have it and you will have it. May God bless you all. I would like you to ask Me a few questions because today is the only day I’m here, but do not ask such questions that you divert the attention of the whole. Because there are some people, they read some far-fetched book and from there. That all forget about it. Whatever I am doing I will tell you. I say you will get your realization. Believe Me and have it. But if you’ll say that X, Y, Z was saying that you have to stand on your head for twenty years, you better join him and stand there for forty years. But if you want to have it I am here to give you. So why worry about such people? So far you have not got it, that’s why. So better have it. Sahaja Yogi: Should I tell them to take out the shoes? Shri Mataji: Aah? Sahaja Yogi: Should I tell them to take out the shoes? Shri Mataji: Oh, yes. Just tell them. Shri Mataji [aside]: It’s all right. It’s all right. What happened? You had an accident? Ha… Where did you get it? Where did you get it? Which [fast food]? Sahaja Yogi: Four weeks ago. Shri Mataji: Aah? Sahaja Yogi: Four weeks ago. Shri Mataji: Four weeks ago? Where it happened? Sahaja Yogi: Here. Shri Mataji: And now you have a plaster? Otherwise I’ll put it right. Sahaja Yogi: For me? Shri Mataji: You have got a plaster? Is it open? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: All right. Shri Mataji: He understands English. Shri Mataji: That’s how. It’s very simple, very simple. All right? That’s your job, I think, Gregoire. Gregoire: [Is that?] Shri Mataji: Is that your German? Gregoire: Sorry. Yes, that’s it. Shri Mataji: It is, yes. That is the best German we can offer. I am sorry. So, let’s be, be in a cheerful way not serious. Again, I’m telling you. If you, if you are very serious we’ll have to tickle you. All right? Now put your hands like this. Because you are entering into the Kingdom of God and not in the, in the jail. So please be cheerful. One lady: Can You help me? I am single. I am living alone.	null	null	null	Public Program in Zurich (Switzerland), 10 October 1980. Talk , PP in Zurich: …and it is such a living process that [missing part]. [I tell you] there’s no technique. That means you cannot follow any technique. What is the technique of a flower becoming a fruit? When I see people standing on their heads or jumping or doing all kinds of things to seek God, I really think they are still very children, small children. They are still very naive. They should know, that if we have become a human being from amoeba without doing anything, whatever you have to become, you will become. That has to be done. That’s the problem of God and not of yours. It has to be done; otherwise He will have no meaning. The creation will have no meaning if you do not have any meaning. Because if you are on the top of the creation, then something has to happen to you, by which you should know. What is this power that has created you and what is this power which is guiding you? By what power have you become a human being and by what power you are going to become a higher being ? About these things whatever I am talking to you, like a scientist, you must keep your mind very open and not to close your mind in the sense that I put a hypothesis before you. When I put a hypothesis before you it is necessary to see if the hypothesis works or not. If it does not work, well and good. Then you can say, “All right, it has not worked.” But you must try to find out with open mind why it has not worked [in you] instead of criticizing the system, because in this I have nothing to gain. It is you who has to. You cannot give Me anything whatsoever. For your information, and as Gregoire has said, I am quite all right as far as taking is concerned, because I don’t think I need anything from anyone. I’m an over-satisfied person. So only thing what I want to do, the satisfaction that I am enjoying, the joy that I am enjoying, I want to share, and that is a very, very simple thing. It is so simple, like this light which is enlightened can enlighten another light. What does it do? Just it is already enlightened and that light is ready; it’s just adjusting. But there’s another problem I find, that people think, “I am going to do it on my own.” You cannot. There should be somebody who is enlightened, [who] can do it. But this is a very, very important word, “enlightened”. You can find gurus from everywhere and all kinds of, even Western people now have started techniques. The person who is real is not going to do any technique whatsoever except that it is going to just enlighten Spirit, to another Spirit. That’s all. You are all very built-in. See how beautifully you are built-in through your evolution. This is the first power, as I told you. This is the second power which is the power of your action, reaction. This action is physical and mental while this is emotional. The left side as it gives in the gross, the manifestation to the left sympathetic nervous system, this one goes against to the right sympathetic nervous system. This is accepted by doctors, but they do not accept that there are left and right, two sympathetic nervous systems actually inside, which are subtle and what we see outside these kind of chord are being closed up. By this, as I told you, we desire. This is the psyche about which Freud has talked. But he is a very half-state because he talks only about one part. When you try to de-condition this you do it through the second one. Now when you try to de-condition this, what happens, as a by-product of this, ego develops. And the ego starts developing so big that it pushes down the superego and the whole head becomes like a balloon [now]. Only after realization you start seeing that balloon and then you say, “Oh, God, what is this coming out?” It is there. This Mr. Ego is to be seen, how it comes up when you are here. Otherwise you do not understand. Because superego is a thing by which you suffer. When there is superego you feel depressed and you feel lost and everybody says, “He’s miserable.” But when the ego is there, oh, you are very happy, you are on top of the world. You can even become Hitler, you see, absolutely like Hitler. You may have a moustache of his type also or may develop a hairstyle of his type. It is to that extent one can go with this ego and would be saying, “What’s wrong? What’s wrong?” because then you trouble others. Here you are troubled, but it’s better in a way. But this one it’s such a horrid stuff that when it works out you become absolutely unique personality by which you become really malignant in the society. And the society is developed of such people has no love within them. When the ego develops too much the left side becomes absolutely frozen, and people whose ego is developed have a very bad emotional side. That’s the reason why we find there are so many divorces and things coming out because we become very dry persons. We lose our emotions completely, by physical, by emotional. By physical and mental activity we really freeze our heart, and sometimes people have heartaches. In London we had a gentleman who came, who was a dentist and he told Me, “Mother, I have no feeling. I don’t cry. I don’t weep. I have become an [over-tough person].” I said, “How you call that? I mean, a person who is liberated is nothing but love and compassion. From his whole being compassion must flow. Instead of this, what has happen to you?” He said, “I do not feel anything. I do not feel my children. I cannot feel my wife. I’ve become like a stone.” I said, “Are you going to now become stone after becoming a human being, or what?” So, he said, “Mother what am I to do?” I said, “What do you do first of all?” He said, “I go for five miles every day.” I said, “Better stop. What is the need to run for five miles? Going to such extremes of running like mad, what is the need? Why don’t you spend that time with your children, play with them? You’ll be better off.” But ultimately the Kundalini rose in him and he got them back. So this is how we live in imbalances with these two powers. Now the third power which is, which is actually the Kundalini here, we have achieved up to this point, from the top to this one, is the one which has given us our evolution up to this point. We are evolved human beings but still we have not been able to reach our meaning, I mean to find out our whole existence, the justification for our existence. Why we are made human from amoeba state? What was the need for nature to create human beings? What is our speciality? And people are finding it very difficult to explain. They try to give this explanation and that explanation. But actual, simple explanation is this, that you are trying to find your wholesomeness. You are a part and parcel of the whole. You are like [the/a] cell, the microcosm and macrocosm, as they call it. And you have to become aware of that thing. Once you become aware of that great thing, then you are surprised to know that you become collectively conscious. You become. Again I say, you become. There’s no question of just telling you, “Oh, we are brothers and sisters. Let us have United Nations,” and then they fight there or just find jobs for people]. It is not that. Automatically it [happens/ means] when the Kundalini rises from here and She pierces through this fontanel bone, as Gregoire has told you, on the fingers, you see here, you start feeling these centers on the hands. You start feeling. It’s an actualization that happens. You start feeling all these centers on your fingers. Even if you take ten children together and who are realized souls and tie up their eyes and ask them that, “What is wrong with this particular person?” they will all raise one finger, which means he has got throat problems. It is that decides. It is that. But that’s not the only thing. Of course, collective consciousness when it comes into you, you start understanding. “Oh, God, I understand my own centers that are within.” That means Self-realization, understanding about the Self. When you know about your own centers then you know Self-realization. And when you know about the centers of others, you know it is collective consciousness which is built-in. Now see, in human being we have developed certain consciousness. For example, if you want to take a horse through the dirtiest place he wouldn’t mind; he’ll just walk. For him it does not matter. But you cannot go with the horse. You’ll go for about two paces and you’ll turn by saying, “Oh, I just can’t walk.” The horse will walk through; he will have no problem. But you cannot because you have developed that sensitivity within you, you have developed that sensitive nose within you which the, the horse does not have. In the same way you have developed other sensitivities, say to beauty, art, to many things you have developed. I mean, you are much higher than animals, no doubt. And when this happens to you then you realize that you have a much greater sensitivity than before, the one of collective consciousness. In Sanskrit it is called as samadhi chitta. It becomes your own feeling, means you start feeling it on your central nervous system. Your central nervous system is what you have achieved so far up to the human state. Now your nervous system starts feeling a cool breeze. Now this cool breeze has been described by all the Scriptures. This is from the heart, the Spirit. The emission of this cool breeze is the actualization of the Spirit. Our attention becomes one with the Spirit and it starts emitting cool vibrations, which is described, as Gregoire has said, as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. In, in Sanskrit Holy Ghost is called as Adi Shakti. And I think perhaps in India, perhaps because we were people of simpler nature and a simpler living, not so complicated, and because in our country we did not have to face nature so much I mean, you can live in a, in a forest very happily, with very few fruits; they don’t need so many things people started finding out inner being. As you started finding out the outer growth, which you have to grow out, there has to be the inner growth. Like in a tree when the tree grows higher the roots have to grow. For God there is nothing like East and West, oxygen clean and all that. I don’t understand, to be very frank, but the human beings, “We are Eastern. [You are] Western.” It is only that in India the search has been under the being and out here it has been outside. It is only one personality. God never created a world with different nations. And sometimes I forget about My passports completely. I think it’s like a criminal, carrying a number of the crimes you have committed or something like that. We, this is our craziness that we believe that we are different nations, we are different races, we are different beings. He created all this variety to create a feeling of beauty. Because variety creates the beauty. I mean, if you had the same type of noses and same types of faces and same types of hair, you would have been bored of each other. As it is, we are bored. Then I don’t know what [would] have happened to you. As it is, we can’t bear to meet everybody. [They hesitate/ Because I’ve seen people, I mean if they go to meet someone they must have a television in between or they must drink something together or they must go to a cinema. But they cannot sit together and talk for more than five minutes without fighting. This is what we are. We are so boring. So why we are so boring is because we are not collectively conscious. But this lecturing is not going to help you, as I told you. There is no lecturing about it, no talking about it. It has to happen. If it does not happen then it does not happen. I mean, if it does not happen I cannot force it. But it happens to so many people; specially in the West it happens [to many people]. The reason is, as I always say, that England is the heart of the universe. But it is lethargic. Europe is the liver of the universe, which is, which is drinking alcohol.. India is the Kundalini of the world; there is no seeking. God save this universe. I mean, whatever is missing, is missing from the point. Where there should be seeking in India, there is no seeking. People do not seek, because they are becoming sophisticated; they are becoming modern. So they do not want to seek. The seekers are in the West but the problem is, as I told you, in England they are lethargic and in the Europe they are drinking]. Doesn’t matter. Whatever may be the situation at this time, I have a feeling that blossom time is coming. The time has come for people to get their realization. It’s the blossom time. In the Tree of Life we had one or two flowers before and nobody could understand them. They were butchered, never recognized, never. They were killed, they were poisoned, and they were crucified. This is what we have to look at. While even the thugs came in and the swindlers, we were very good to them. We have given them palaces, and houses and beds where there are diamonds, and they are having a very nice time. So, what to do? This human eye has to see. That’s what it’s very difficult. Krishna has said, [Hindi] “The one who can see, can see. The one who cannot see, cannot see.” It’s impossible. No use breaking your head before a person who does not see. Somebody, there is a blind man, you tell him “This is the color of this table cloth.” He’ll say, “What is the color? You tell me.” Now what are you going to tell? He cannot see. And I have seen this is the problem of the West and also of the East. The great writer who is living now in England his name is Dr. Mascaro; you might have heard his name he has written lots of treatises about Gita, and Upanishadas, also Dhammapada and also Bible. He’s a master. And he is a master of Sanskrit language. I went to see him and he gave Me a flower. with a beautiful couplet, “Flower”, [in that, from which] he said that, “Mother, give us light. Give them all light so that they can see. Please give them.” I said, “I’m doing that.” I’m doing that, but somehow people do not know what to expect within themselves. When the awakening takes place the first thing that happens as a by-product that you get physical [health], fitness. The doctor has not come today from Lausanne? We had a doctor. Luckily they were five or six patients who also have come. First thing that happened to a paralyzed lady was that she got all right, with her paralyses which was there for two years. And she told Me, “For the first time I could climb three stories in my house after realization.” The second gentleman had a sort of infantile problem who was bent up completely like that, throughout, and he always used to eat like that; stood up and his back was all right. Thirdly I mean, this happened only in Lausanne because we have done so much this work before there was a lady with breast cancer, and when she came to Me, she, her hands started shaking little bit. She shook for a while and now she is perfectly all right. Who is the fourth one person? And a lady with arthritis, she got all right. And another person who was down with some sort of a, we can say a nervous tension in the stomach, she got all right. So this is nothing; this is just a by-product. The by-product is like that when God has to be invited in your heart, this temple of your body has to be enlightened and cleansed. So the cleansing takes place. It’s a first cleansing [divine in the body through your physical [form]. Now, cancer: I’ve been saying this for the last ten years. For your information I’ve cured our president Sanjiva Reddy, [there it took him five hours], of his cancer. You know he had cancer of lungs. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaj Yoga. It’s a fact. I’ve been talking about it, saying about it. Some doctors accept it but most of them do not. The reason is, you cannot take money for Sahaja Yoga. How many doctors are willing to accept this proposition? There is nothing mercenary about it. You cannot take money for this. If you get enlightenment you have to give enlightenment free of cost. On the left and the right of these two, there is an area which is collective subconscious and the collective supraconscious. These are the two areas which are unknown to us, and from here all esoteric and all sorts of experiences come to us. For example, people start seeing light or they start feeling that their body is taken away or all sorts of good experiences come from this movement or this movement. Now these are the areas we have to avoid completely and we have to be in the central path. We have to be in the light of moderation and not of the extremes. But if you go too much of this side or to that side you fall into problems. Now I have seen all the cancer patients that I have seen so far had a problem from the left side, most surprising. Either they had some sort of a false guru there. Leukemia, leukemia is caused by the entry of some sort of invaders from this area. Now, you’ll be amazed I’ve been saying this for the last ten years but I saw in the BBC recently they have found out that there are some proteins which they call them as protein 52, protein this and that, which are invading us from some unknown area they do not know precisely ? from some unknown areas, and these areas are built within us since the creation. This is accepted now by the cancer research. But their research is something like a blind walking in, into a black pool. He says, “Now this is the chair. So we found the chair. So there is a chair.” I say it’s better that you get the light and see for yourself everything what it is. That’s a much better way of knowing. This is known as self-knowledge. When the self gives you the light, we start seeing all these things within us and understanding them. Now these areas are very, very dangerous. For example, those who indulge into say, some sort of a supraconscious experimentation, like flying. For example, some people are now trying to fly. See, there are courses to fly. I don’t understand. You’ve got your aeroplane. Why do you want to fly in the air? Now this flying business is done nothing but by the spirits. They take away your spirit outside and you feel that you are removed from the point. But this area is the most dangerous thing for children, because this ego develops in a grown-up person, but in a child there is no ego. So when these bodies take away the soul of a child, it is difficult for the child to come back to life. And you’ll find the child suddenly dead without understanding the reason for his death. This is because now you have let loose all these areas into the present tense. Never, never before on this earth, such a mess of horrible things. Because of these horrible fake gurus, also the indulgences of ourselves into different techniques by which either move this side or that side, like ESP and all sorts of the techniques, that are all… Some other was, to stop your drinking you have to say, “I don’t drink.” So you develop your ego; you go this side. All this deliberations of human beings which come from an unknown source make the person enter either into this side or that side and creates such a number of complications. The permutations and combinations, when I see them I am really amazed. Now where do we have to go? Because this side is the hell. So we have to go there and to be on the top of your head is the power which is all-pervading, about which all the Scriptures have said that there is an All-pervading Power. Now are we to believe that or not? Are we to say they were all wrong, who told us this? Was Christ wrong? Was Nanaka wrong? Was Adi Shankaracharya wrong, who said that you have to achieve that state? They were all wrong or we are wrong? Actually, when I was born my father himself told Me he was a realized soul that no use talking to human beings about all this. At the most they can crucify you. They won’t understand. What you have to do is to find out a method by which you give en masse realization, by which you raise these people who are on the first floor, to the second or the third floor so that they see there is beyond and they will understand. Otherwise they will definitely crucify you. I said, “All right.” And I worked very hard. At the age of my forty-seven years, for ten, eleven years back I found out a method by which we can have en masse realization not individual but en masse realization. And as Gregoire has told you that I worked more in the villages. Cities I’ve left for the thugs. Let them work out, because they are interested in your purse. The villagers don’t have any money. They are simple people; let them have realization. Let the city people run after these mad people. There are some people who are giving something like a diamond and this and that. Is that what God is going to give? Why don’t you go and purchase diamonds in the market? It’s very simple. But this is what it is. We must know what to do then. We have to find out our wholesomeness. We have to find out our own power, our own power, not the power of the guru. Even if the guru is right, what does it matter? What about your own power? Have you been able to find your own power? Your own power manifested by which you raise the Kundalini of these people, you give them Realization, by which you cure people, by which you give them all the peace and by which you give them their spiritual ascent by which they live in bliss and happiness. This is how you enter into the Kingdom of God by entering through this alone. All these chakras are the basic seven chakras [we have] and they have got different deities who are settled down. I would say the red mark you see here is the center across the optic chiasma where it crosses each other. It’s a subtle centre and that centre controls your pituitary and pineal by which pituitary controls ego and the pineal controls your superego. And when the Kundalini rises through this parasympathetic, integrating you completely, enters into that area, goes beyond it, you find there is no thought in your mind. You become thoughtlessly aware. It is called as Nirvichara Samadhi in Sanskrit language. One may say, “It’s a very difficult thing, Mother. How?” But the thing is, if I can do it there must be something about Me. I’ve done it; it’s really I can do it. So there must be something about Me. Instead of doubting Me it’s better this: I can do it; why not have? Some say that it takes thousands of years, it takes this thing, that thing. But all right. I am a master of that. If I can do it, why do you have any objections? The other day a doctor came to Me and he said, “I think I should do it myself.” I said, “Very good. I’ll be very happy, sir, if you take My place. If you can do it, nothing like it. I would like to retire. I’m really tired now working on people. Can you do it? Now, you are a doctor. You know how to drive. I don’t know how to drive a car. If you are driving My car I have no objections. In the same way if I drive your Kundalini what objections can you have? If you can drive the Kundalini I’ll be very happy. Why don’t you do it?” But he cannot do it. That’s the main part. Then I said, “You better take My [seat/place].” I’ll be very happy because it’s a tremendous work, requires tremendous powers, tremendous patience. And when you will come to Sahaja Yoga you will realize that only a Mother can do it. It’s a question of tremendous patience. They don’t want their realization. They don’t understand the realization. They are children. They are getting drowned. You have to tell him, “My child, take care of yourself. Please have this.” You have to explain to him. It’s such a difficult task. Mr. Ego is very powerful. At the smallest point they come onto their egos. They say, “Oh.” Any point they’ll pick up and say, “Oh.” This is not [right]. The other day only I said one significant point about. I said, “Christ has said, ‘Thou shall not have adulterous eyes’.” And in the Bible it is written that, “Thou shall not commit adultery.” It was all said for your good. Very important it is. You see, in India we commit the sin against the Father that we don’t believe that our Father Almighty is going to look after, look after us. Krishna has said, “Yoga Kshema vahamyaham”. Vahamyaham, “When you get your yoga, then I’ll look after your kshema, means well-being.” He has promised it, but we Indians don’t believe in it, you see. That’s why we have problems, and that’s why we are doing something else that you are not doing. But we have to see the problems of this country or of the West, is that we are doing sin against the Mother. These days it’s allowed to have a woman as a keep. It is not allowed to have. This is absurd, absolutely absurd. You have to marry and lead a sensible life, in the centre, have children, and be good, righteous people. Of course, now the life as it is we have committed sin on this side and we have committed sin on the other side. But doesn’t matter. Makes no difference whatsoever. Whatever we have done, forget about it. The another fashion we have in the West is to develop a guilt. For anything. It’s a fashion, absolutely is a fashion; take it from Me. I’m dealing with the Western people more. So I will tell you how the fashion comes in. I don’t know how it comes in. Maybe we have to go and confess before the priest maybe, and I don’t know how it comes in. But everybody’s guilty about everything. Even people living here are guilty about the people, say, in North, North Korea or South Korea or Vietnam or something like that. I mean, you are just here. Why to feel guilty about there? You are doing anything wrong? You are good people. Why to feel guilty? But it is an escape to feel guilty about something. Like in France I was surprised, we found people, the French people, that they were very unhappy and very complaining all the time, and I was surprised why they were so depressed. And very boring also in that way. I said, “Why are you boring yourself with this kind of an idea that you are the most miserable people, like Mr. Hugo has said, ‘Les Miserables’, all of them settled down in France.” I said, “What is there? Look at the nature. See to that. How beautiful it is. Have you thanked God for that? Have you said, ‘Oh Lord, thank you very much for what you have given us.’ Have you ever, ever been thinking at that? Unless and until you thank God, how will you know the joy of thanking? You do not want to thank God. That’s why you should be miserable. You have to show that you are miserable. Otherwise you may have to thank God for that, whatever He has given you. He has given you this beautiful [body/]. He has given you this human awareness. He has given you so many things for which there has to be endless thanks.” But we are unhappy about small, small things. Even if the tap is not running all right we get absolutely upset and say, “Ah,” as if the whole world has collapsed. Even the smallest thing upsets us like that. Now, in France, they told Me that, “Mother, You are extremely happy person, but people will think You have no character if you are that happy.” I said, “Really?” “So then you have to show your character by showing that you are very unhappy.” I said, “I find this impossible. You know I, I cannot be seriously unhappy for more than one minute and again I get into a big laugh as a joke. I cannot, and when I see such people I laugh even more.” What is there to be so miserable for? Are you crucified on the cross? Some people said, “We have to suffer.” Why? Christ has suffered for you. Why do you now suffer second time? All right, He has done the suffering for you. Finish it off now. And He never suffered because He was like Me, those who never suffer. But our idea about Christ is also that He was bony person; He was nothing but bones. This is all our idea, because we are so miserable ourselves we cannot see Christ. How can you carry a cross on your body if you are a bony person like that? Can the, these bones, what you call the skeleton, can it carry a cross? Even you people who are supposed to be healthy cannot carry a cross. He was a very healthy man. Only Michelangelo could see that He was like that. All such expressions make Me feel that it’s a drama people have created just to avoid God, not to accept His presence, that “we are very miserable”. In Paris, I asked these people, I’m sorry to say, French, same about Swiss, not much difference. That, they said, “We are very miserable, Mother.” I said, “There are ten prostitutes on this street when you walk ten minutes, and the whole thing is going into alcoholism and you, the miserable creatures, what are you doing about it? You have no time to be happy. What miseries have you got? I don’t see any miseries. It is only your own mind.” While in a poor country you go, I went to Africa, [I’ve met] people. You go to some aboriginals, oh they will have, whatever they’ll have they bring it to you and they will be embracing you; they’ll be full of joy. I asked, “What’s the matter?” “Oh, you don’t know?” I said, “What happened?” “Can you not see what has happened?” I said, “What?” “Oh, something great has happened.” I said, “What, what has happened?” “You don’t know what has happened? First time we have got the flowers in this [tree].” We don’t even see flowers. There’s a, a Sahaja Yogini met Me. Now she’s a Sahaja Yogini. Of course she is different, and she has many dimensions [within]. She said, “Mother, I never knew we have trees in Lausanne.” Can you imagine? Such a beautiful place is wasting all its beauty on the people. I mean, it’s so joyous and so beautiful, but people can’t see. They have no eyes. What are they seeing? What do they see? I just can’t understand that when you cannot see His grace and witness that peace within you. I feel miserable, too, because I think, “Why have you made yourselves miserable for nothing? Everything is there.” This I tell you because for your realization you have to have a cheerful mood, not [a very/] sorrow [one]. You have to have a cheerful mood to get your realization. You have to be like a flower to become. If you cannot be like a flower how will you become a fruit? If you are like a thorn do you think I can make fruit out of you? You have to be like a flower in a very cheerful, joy-giving [mood] that is very important. Now, as I told you this Kundalini is coiled down here in three and a half coils. Now what is the mathematics and all that we have discussed? I mean, I’ve given about three hundred, or more than that, lectures in India and they have got tapes and Gregoire has written a beautiful book, a big book which you can buy from him and read it, about Sahaja Yoga. But I think God, I have to assure everyone ,that He has put all these centres within you [They look like lotuses and they are within, all ready and you are just ready to get your realization. It’s a very, very subtle [control]. I should say it’s a play. But because sometimes you are complicated here or complicated there, for some sort of a complication, specially with this kind of this malady of feeling all the time guilty comes up on the left Vishuddhi, here. And that one is such a horrible stuff, I tell you that, that gives a real pain in the neck, and that is what troubles people very much when they get realization. The another problem that comes up here is the Agnya which controls your ego or superego. In this I would say that the young people, specially from the Western countries because we are dealing with the Western people, discovered that their forefathers had lot of ego. They could see the balloon of the ego. So they decided to have another style of life. They said, “Let’s start an anti-culture. Now finish this tail coat trim and take to something simple.” That was a very good of them to think like that it is too much egoistical and that they could not face themselves as egoists. This was a very great thing, because they are saints, they are seekers and they felt that in this ego-satisfaction we are not going to achieve anything. But from there, they, they had no proper guidance whatever it was, and in their ignorance I would say they shifted from ego to superego by taking drugs. Now the drugs is a manoeuvring of a very cunning group of people who just wanted to make money out of your seeking, out of your naivety. And they offered you drugs. Of course with drugs one thing definitely has happened to people: they have started seeing that there are other areas also. But these areas are quite dangerous. By knowing these areas they have started at least thinking that there are some other areas. But as I told you, these two difficult areas where you enter into are no good for you. Now by going to superego also what has happened that you developed your superego. Like a gentleman who came to Me, he was dressed up with his hair all knotted up, you see, like an aboriginal. He came to see Me. And he is a PhD, you see. So I said, “Why do you dress up like an aboriginal?” He said, “I want to become an aboriginal.” I said, “You cannot. Your brain is too modern. Only by growing hair how will you become? Your brain is such a modern speedy stuff, it doesn’t stop for one minute. It’s going thinking, thinking, thinking like mad. How will you stop it? Only by growing your hair like an aboriginal? You cannot do it. Brain has to be brought to the normal condition.” He said, “I agree that, that has to be done.” And this is what it is happens to you that when you develop this left side. Left and right start fighting and then bubbles out and you become extremely speedy; the speed starts working. The speedometer is this, I would say the speedometer is another different centre which looks after your liver, which looks after your spleen, your pancreas, then your kidneys and your [intestines]. This is the Swadishthana chakra, the second centre [here]. Now what happens, it has another very important point which medical profession doesn’t agree, but may not agree, but it is the most important thing it has to do is put to convert the fat of the stomach for the use of the brain. When you start thinking too much, then this process is expedited and when it is expedited all that flows to the brain. And, but this poor thing, one centre cannot do all the jobs in a balanced way. So your liver gets spoilt. Most of the people in the West have bad liver because of their thinking habits. They go on thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. Such a burning process starts. They seek the sun. On top of that they go and tan themselves. Now this is really madness. Because if you tan on top of this your head will be melting more of fat cells and you will need more passing of the fat cells up there, up there and that’s why you develop your skin troubles and skin diseases and skin cancers. So a person who thinks too much has to know that we have to take our thinking process to a balance. When Kundalini rises on top there, She just makes you thoughtlessly aware. But the knob of the speedometer is the spleen. The other day I was telling these people how the spleen works it out. It’s very interesting. For example, you are eating your food. Suddenly you feel you must go very fast. And for Me to keep pace with the people here, is impossible. I mean, I have not even done one tenth of the food when they have finished and the plate is out. I just start looking, “Oh, I wouldn’t eat it now.” Out of formality I just get up and say, “All right.” Then they say, “You didn’t like the food?” “I like it but the speed with which people eat.” And then, they, they leave everything and then run fast, fast for their work. But by that the poor spleen has to make more blood cells, more blood cells. Now when you start making more blood cells and more blood cells it becomes absolutely bizarre. It’s tired, it goes mad, it does not know what to do. When it becomes tired, then the blood cells that it produces are weak. They are weak blood cells and then the attack comes in the left side and you develop leukemia. We have cured leukemia hundred per cent. But only if you want your realization, then only it cures. We do not cure people who do not want realization. Our job is not of the doctors. Otherwise all the doctors will crucify Me. I’ve told them I have nothing to do with the people, there’s no profession of Mine, but those who want realization I’ll cure. And they, and they get cured. I should say they get cured. But I don’t want to challenge your ego. Again [if I, you can] say I’ll cure you become [unclear]. Anything I say, I’ll do. But if I was a doctor, you see, and if I was treating you, you don’t mind. You become absolutely silent. Like the other day I had a patient who was a doctor and when I started treating him, he didn’t like it, the other position/[possession], you see. Always he has been treating patients and he could not bear it up that I, he was treated by us, you see. And he would look at these very badly. He said, “I don’t want people to treat me.” I said, “Then how can you be cured? You have to accept that for a change somebody else to be your doctor. All right, doesn’t matter, nothing wrong.” So this is what happens with our movement of the sun, when we have too much of sunlight for a period. Now as I told you that our search has been in the West on the right hand side, then all the five elements constitute this area and we have been searching into the five elements to find out how to improve them or you can say how to use them, or manoeuvre them for our own purpose, how to work it out for us. For example, if a tree is there, then you make a beautiful, say, tree made furniture, or a [unclear] furniture, or something like that, from one dead to another dead. What we do is to convert the form of one dead into another dead. We do nothing. That’s why it is ego because we do not do anything and still we think we have done, from one form to another form. Actually, by doing that it so happens that we become slaves of the nature. For example, if you are used to the chair you cannot sit on the grass. If you are used to a comfortable bed then you cannot sleep on the ground. You start missing it. You form habits. So the matter gives you habits. When you start with becoming materialistic you become like matter, like machine. You don’t think. You just go on. You must have seen Charlie Chaplin’s “Modern Times”, you see. He, he was really a visionary to see what happens to human beings when they will become machines you see, they will be just… Now we don’t like machines in the West. For example, people like here cotton cloths. They like it; they like. Cotton they prefer more than nylon. I mean, nobody will think of it. But in India I have to take nylon saris from here to please My relations who have got cottons. You can imagine the, the other way round thing that is going on in India, the other way round here. They want the machinery and you want to run away from the machinery. I wish some people to convince Indians now better not do all these things and have a short [of needs, sari]. Better understand that these machineries are like devils. Once they start producing they will need more to eat, more to eat. They’ll take out so much from the Mother Earth that after some time you’ll find you have nothing but plastics and artificial things. So this is what is happening to us on the right hand side that we are progressing too much on the material [side]. I mean, it’s really maddening. America is one of the places I should say it’s quite maddening, baba. I mean they have varieties in everything. I like varieties say for, you have some beautiful [ties]. In beauty I like varieties. But everything must not be a variety. For example, a handle. Now every handle should be different. If you go to any American bathroom please find out from them how to use the handle. Otherwise you’ll land up into great difficulties. Suddenly you’ll find from somewhere the water will be pouring onto you and you’ll be completely drenched with absolutely ice cold water. They have so many gadgets, and this and that, that you get lost in that. There is no need to do all these. You have a simple method to of taking your bath. What is the need to have so many things? For example now, glass. You must have a special glass for this thing, and a special glass for that, and a special glass for that. Why? One glass itself is sufficient. I think you can have everything in that. What is the need to have all these things unnecessarily? It’s a headache, I tell you, to wash them, to clean them, put them right. And on top of that to give to insurance for saving them from being stolen out. So it’s better to have simpler life. But the thing is when the activity on this side increases also these goods come in the market and they start [buying]. It’s surprising. For example, in Switzerland I was surprised that in the market you cannot get anything but ties and chocolates made in Switzerland. They import them. I asked, “Why? What, what is the matter? Why don’t you produce something?” They said, “The, the man-power is so short and that it is so expensive that we find it easy to get it from China than to make it here.” So at least we have to accept that some people have to do this work for the machinery and some people have to do the work of handmade. So in the same way a thing that has been discovered now, is for the whole universe. It is neither for the left or the right. It is neither for the East or for the West. It is for the whole universe. It is because this is what one has to jump in. This is what the evolution has to take to. You are human beings and you have to become super human beings. This has to happen, whether you like it or not. If you do not have it yet, you help with it. But better have it too. Why will you? This is simple. But people can’t understand something which you get free. Because somebody asked Me, “How can it be possible? There must be some snag.” I said, “There is no snag. It’s a simple thing.” But they can’t understand a person can do it, something without any payment. Now, why not think of Christ. How much money did He take from you to talk about God? How many forces these people had with them? And how many palaces He built for Himself from your money? He lived as a carpenter when He was a carpenter. He didn’t take any money from anyone, whatever it is. Now today my husband is such and such and I’m a housewife. So I dress up like a housewife. If I was say an ordinary person, say a person who is not having sufficient money, I would have slept on the ground. I can, even today. I have no problem. I have no problem. I can sleep anywhere, I can live anywhere. I have no problem. I can go by bus, I can go by tram, I can walk. These two feet are there. What is there? But these things come to a person who is not there. The one who cares for these things cannot be a holy man [in these days]. Of course, when you have to live like a king, you live like a king. But from inside you are not attached to it. Now for this also we have started a new style. I mean, for everything they have an answer. All these people have an answer for every sort of thing you could want. We have gurus and gurus in India. For example, there is a guru. He says, “You must wear orange dress.” All right. So they start wearing an orange dress. Now, but the orange dress man is an ascetic. And then he says, “You must have sex liberation.” Now how can you meet these two things? Just see, it is something so absurd that any Indian can understand the absurdity of this kind of neo-sanyasa. How can you be a sex addict and also a sanyasi? This is to describe that such a person is not going to get married, he has nothing to do with sex but he has dedicated his life for God. On the contrary, here it is they are having mass sex action, this, that, which never Indians knew about, and he is doing all emancipation for the people who are quite experts here. There is no need for you to have a guru in this way. You see, this was just a guru provided because you thought that at least you have some sort of a conscience by which you understand maybe they are not doing wrong. So if there is a guru you think even if anything goes wrong we’ll say, “This guru was there. He taught us.” But this guru is going to hell first, much before anybody goes. Whatever are the eternal ideas about life, are eternal. You cannot change them. If you try to change them you see the problems come. For example, we have changed the idea, say, about chastity. First thing will happen, diseases. I have seen. Why do they suffer? In America every third seeker who comes to Me suffers from very bad disease. Even in Switzerland I’ve seen they suffer from diseases. Why do you suffer from diseases if it is liberation? Why do you suffer from jealousies? Why do you have maladies in the family? Why people give up their husbands’ and wives’ relationship and have divorces if it was [healthy/needed]? If it was healthy, if it was congenial to your being, it would have been a joy to everyone, to [protect you/the country]. But it does not. Because I’m dealing with your side I’m telling you this, that it is not congenial and thus we have to understand ourselves, our sustenance, ourselves, that these things go against our dharma. The other day in England, a BBC fellow came to Me, questioning Me. And you know how they are, very blind and extremely arrogant. And I’m better than them, to control I know how to control them. So they asked Me few questions. According to them they were very intelligent. And the first question he asked Me, that, “Instead of doing this work in England” – I mean, I have stopped people taking drugs and all that, I have cured so many people, no thankfulness about it but “Instead of doing this work in England, why don’t you go to India and solve your poverty problem [as a great/arrogant personality]?” I said, “Sir, I’m in England, on your soil. I don’t want to say something that is little indecent. But as you have asked the question I have to tell you. Who is responsible for our poverty? When all the Western people went all over the world to dominate other countries and have kept them still down, who is responsible for it?” But he would not take it that way. Then he kept quiet on that point. So he found out another point. He said, “What about your population problem?” I said, “I’m sorry, sir, even here you are responsible.” He was amazed. He said, “How are we responsible for your population problem?” I said, “See in England it’s a fact that every week two children are killed by parents themselves. Nobody can believe it in India but it is like that. It’s a fact.” I said, “Which foolish child would be born here? We have to get the birth in India. You are going minus. You are suffering from impotency. People are suffering and sixty-five per cent people in America are suffering from impotency, young. How can you produce children?” In Switzerland itself out of five families only one family produces child. It’s a fact. You can find out. What are we to do? These children are to be born. There’s a Last Judgment has started. So they are taking birth in India. Why do you blame us? You better pay. Even if we try very hard we’ll have to have them here because the way we love our children, the way we look after them, whatever, we may be poor, but we have heart for them. And we are not Romeo and Juliets all our lives. I mean, even at eighty they are divorcing. I mean, all sorts of nonsense going on. All the heroes and heroines like the, this Mrs. Kennedy business and all that. I mean, I can’t imagine these women. They will be thrown out of everything, of the society, all such women. People won’t see that faces in the morning. If you see such a face on the newspaper in the morning they will wash the newspaper, wash their eyes and throw it in the dustbin. Such inauspicious people you have here as [unclear] there’s another seven times married woman. What’s her name is, Elizabeth Taylor. She’s always on the cover page. If you go to the BBC program, then hero is this man who kills seven wives, the one who kills seven queens. He is always the hero there. I mean, what has happened to Shakespeare? Where has he disappeared? You people have created such an atmosphere that no chaste person can exist. If a housewife has to talk to someone she cannot talk because she’s regarded as a useless woman. She must work, she must earn. Her looking after her children is not regarded as a very great. But in our country I must tell you that, I mean we are, in other some respect we are really very horrid people, in certain aspects they are terrible here. Be careful on that part. I mean, never trust them on this point. But on this point I must say that in India a woman, if she’s a housewife, she has to wear nine things as a decoration of her form if she is out there. You see, I’m wearing all these, some of them, but you have to wear many more. Nine things you have to wear in India to show that you are a housewife. And it’s the most auspicious thing to see a housewife in India. A housewife is treated like a Goddess, and there is a place within us which is for a housewife, which is the spleen. She is the ruler of the spleen in the human beings, called as Gruha Lakshmi, is the goddess of the housewives. There is no conception like this here. In England we had arranged a marriage of a Sahaja Yogini with a person who was a Sahaja Yogi himself. First she was not a Sahaja Yogini when he married her and she did not have the concept of a Gruha Lakshmi. So he told her something that, “This must be cleaned,” or something. She said, “Why are you telling me?” So she came to Me. I said, “Why don’t you understand? This is your house. You must be clean. You must look after it.” In England men are absolutely, you see, they are, I don’t know, they are servants. They fix the breakfast for the wives. They fix their beds. I don’t know if they give them baths or whatever. Means that everything the man has to do. You see, poor these husbands have really [hard time there]. And these women are very [foolish/cruel to them]. So I asked her, “Why, why don’t you do this household work? After all, this is your job. What is wrong?” She said, “No, I’m not a housewife.” I said, “What? What’s wrong [in/with] a housewife?” She said, “No, housewife is never respected in England.” I said, “What do you say?” “Yes, the, you see, I was a secretary of somebody. He was more fond of me than of his wife. He used to respect me more than his wife.” I said, “He must be mad.” She said, “No, he was quite sane and a very successful man and he never cared for his wife and he treated her just like[filth.” I said, “ I am surprised. How can that be? Because in the society, say for example if I go with My husband I’ll be sitting next to him, on the same position as he, even his second man, he may be anything, he will sit next to Me. Even in England. Do you think his secretary is going to sit next to him?” Then she said, “Yes.” I said, “This is the position of a housewife. The housewife is treated with the same respect as the man, even today in England. Now whatever you may do about it, it’s different.” So she changed her attitude. This is what it is, is the centre of housewife, which is a very important centre, because that’s the centre of the mother. The mother is the one who has to give that security, that love, that attention. She has to bear up all the problems upon herself. But they do not; they do not. Here even a seventy-years-old woman talks as if a sixteen-years-old. Why?I mean, you are ashamed, like you just, you do not know what to say, the way, you are so embarrassed the way they talk about themselves that they are in, this is their seventh husband they are marrying. At seventy, the seventh. At eighty is the eighth. What about your children? Some are there. Some are there. All of them are in the orphanage. Your husband, wife, the seven husbands and seven wives in the orphanage and their eighty-four children are also in the orphanage only. There is no household, there is no house, there is no there’s no joy, there’s nothing, there’s no security. The first thing is the thinking/feeding of [your nest?]. The idea that you can achieve God without marrying is absurd. You cannot. Most people who are not married are very difficult for realization. Of course, it is all right, I mean, if you are young, yet not married. You can get married later on. But marriage is sanctioned by the collective . The collective being sanctions your marriage. You have to respect it. This institution is not your own. It’s created by God. Somebody told Me that this constitution is not by God. I said, “How do you know?” He said, “Animals do not marry.” I said, “Are you animal? Or are you going to become animals?” Supposing an animal takes away this book nobody will call it a thief, will they? He takes away anything. I mean, you have seen rats and things, monkeys, everything taking away for them as if their own. But a human being if he does it, you’ll say “Why?”. In the same way if the animals do not marry it’s not a crime, but if human beings do not marry in the eyes of God it is [wrong. It’s a fact. Because if it was not why people are punished? You see, it’s so [unclear]. And the unhappiness comes from that, believe Me. If your parents were happily married, and if you had a happy family, you would never have taken to drugs or to any such things and your security would have been very well built. Now, whatever our parents have failed, maybe more, whatever it is, let us give it to our children. Let them have that security that we love each other and that there is a family within us which is going to look after our next generation and they are going not to be tortured because of our whims and our ideas, that we are going to give them that security. Otherwise population in India will grow again. If you do not decide that, we’ll have a problem in India. I must tell you this is one of the reasons why all the developing countries are having population problems because developed countries are incapable of sustaining children. It’s a very serious thing. I mean, that you are loving people. You know what love is. But it cannot be only this romanticism all your life. You have to have love for your children, love for your country, love for everyone around in their own period. There has to be this understanding of love which is missing. Like there is no sisterly relationship. An eighty-years-old man marrying a sixteen-years-old girl. I mean, this is nonsense, absolute nonsense. It’s ego, nothing but ego. Foolish ego and stupid ego, it gives you stupidity; that’s what it is. How can an eighty-years-old man marry a sixteen-years-old girl? Like this Khomeini has got a wife; she’s sixteen years. I mean, he is stupid from every angle, but this angle was exposed to Me recently that he has married a girl who is sixteen. I mean, ego at its best stupidity, this Mr. Khomeini. And there are so many you know, Idi Amin and all the other people who are now gone away but see, but there are many like this, all ego-oriented people. Because ego ends up in stupidity. An ego-oriented person becomes nothing but stupid. It ends up because, “What’s wrong?” What’s wrong being stupid? Nothing wrong. Only you are a stupid person. That’s what it is. If you are doing stupid things it is stupid. So when a person tries to satisfy his ego, if it goes on and on and on ultimately it ends up into stupidity. We have a very good example of a saint, called Narada, who became very conscious of his powers. He was saint, Narada, very great. And he challenged Shiva. He said, “What is this Shiva? He also married Parvati and he was also won over by Kamadeva. And what is He? He’s nothing compared to me. I am a person. I am a brahmachari. I am an ascetic one.” So Vishnu is the one who resides here, who gives us the, our evolution, is the one who played the tricks with him. And He took him to some acre, a city of illusion called as Mayanagar. Here they created a, a, a princess who was to be married. It’s all an illusion. Now this fellow went there and he sent two of his people, friends, to him, saying that, “You go and tell him that you are a very handsome man.” So, they went and created an atmosphere of false [face] for this saint. They said, “Oh, you are a very handsome man, a very good. Why not try for the princess?” He said, “No, I am an ascetic.” He said, “Whatever it is, she will be impressed by your excellencies [GW: excellences?]. She will definitely put the garland into your neck and she will not give the chance, and even a glance at others.” Now, this fellow, the handsome Mr. Ascetic, you see, he thought oh, he’s so great. And actually he, he had started looking like a monkey, actually. But they said, “Oh, what a beautiful man you, this that,” happened like that. So he went into that Mayanagari, into that city of illusion and he sat himself like a very big hero waiting for the princess to choose him. And the princess was moving with the garland around. And when she saw this monkey she couldn’t help laughing. She started laughing and laughing and rolling around. He couldn’t understand what it is. He thought, “Now she’s very happy. She’s going to garland me.” His stupidity, you see. So then she, she took her garland and she was still smiling, laughing and she went and garlanded somebody. He could not understand. These two people who were just trying to praise him and pamper his ego, he said, “What’s the matter?” “[We/You] don’t know what’s the matter.” “I don’t know.” “You are the most handsome man going round.” But when he looked around everybody was laughing at him. He said, “What’s wrong with me?” “There’s nothing wrong with you. It’s nothing wrong. It’s perfectly all right. You are the best man, you are the greatest personality and everybody is looking at you.” He said, “They are feeling happy. You don’t, don’t understand.” And his ego was pampered and then he went to wash his face, you see. And he went to a lake and in the lake he saw his image. “Oh, God. What a stupid fool I was.” And at that time the whole illusion city disappeared, telling him that you were under a myth. And this myth has to drop out today. We are beautiful, we are eternal, we are the source of joy if we become the Spirit not the ego. We have to become the Spirit which is the eternal being within you. I see that. In all of you I see that. I see the clouds and I know the clouds can be removed. I love you and worship you very much that you should get that Spirit expressed in your awareness, that it should become your experience, that you should become that eternal being, that eternal beauty within you by which you should shine in all joy, happiness and bliss. And become that for which you are made, to become that instrument for which you are created. Like a, a thing which is connected to the mains and start manifesting, you start manifesting immediately. Immediately you start manifesting. If you want to feed, you start feeding other people. It’s a very great experience of ages, as I told you, that at the Nala time it was promised, it was promised by all the big saints and big incarnations. Mohammed Sahab has promised it as He said that you have to become active. You have to get your Ruh. It’s called as Ruh. Ruh means this cool breeze, as described in the Bible. It’s very elaborately done. But the greatest work has been done by Adi Shankaracharya who has said, “Na yogena, na samkhyena.” By all these talking and all that, philosophies, you are not going to get it, but through the Mother’s grace you’ll have. So now, here I am, at your service, at your disposal. Make the use of Me as you like. But what we have to request you that to get it you have to pay attention to your heart, to your Spirit, to humble down into your heart. There’s a beautiful couplet that, “Whenever I want to see my Lord I have to just bend my head and I’ll see Him in my heart.” That’s what it is. And it should happen to you. As I told you, in such a short time it’s not possible to say all the things about this great knowledge within you. It’s the instrument, and the whole mechanism has a big history behind it. But I only say that when you enter in the room I’ll tell you where is the buttons and you open, you find out the light. That’s all it is. If I start telling all the history and all that you’ll be fed up. There is a history behind it all. So what is the need? First of all you have the light, enjoy yourself and then we’ll talk about. But it happens only to for these people who are really hungry for it. It works out in the people who are really hungry for it. Those who are not, it does not. It does not work out. It’s difficult. So you have to think of your desires because I told you that’s your pure desire. So understand what is your pure desire is, which you achieve and get it. Another thing which I have already told you and again, I’ll emphasize that you should not feel guilty about anything. It’s a kind of an escape. It’s a very subtle escape. Whatever you have done, I mean the so-called sins as they say, what are they if I am talking about the Ocean of Love? If there is an ocean what is the speck of the thing that you hide? Why should you worry about it and think about it? It’s nothing; it’s nothing. Because you are saints you are seekers. You have to get it, it’s your right that you have to have it and you will have it. May God bless you all. I would like you to ask Me a few questions because today is the only day I’m here, but do not ask such questions that you divert the attention of the whole. Because there are some people, they read some far-fetched book and from there. That all forget about it. Whatever I am doing I will tell you. I say you will get your realization. Believe Me and have it. But if you’ll say that X, Y, Z was saying that you have to stand on your head for twenty years, you better join him and stand there for forty years. But if you want to have it I am here to give you. So why worry about such people? So far you have not got it, that’s why. So better have it. Sahaja Yogi: Should I tell them to take out the shoes? Shri Mataji: Aah? Sahaja Yogi: Should I tell them to take out the shoes? Shri Mataji: Oh, yes. Just tell them. Shri Mataji [aside]: It’s all right. It’s all right. What happened? You had an accident? Ha… Where did you get it? Where did you get it? Which [fast food]? Sahaja Yogi: Four weeks ago. Shri Mataji: Aah? Sahaja Yogi: Four weeks ago. Shri Mataji: Four weeks ago? Where it happened? Sahaja Yogi: Here. Shri Mataji: And now you have a plaster? Otherwise I’ll put it right. Sahaja Yogi: For me? Shri Mataji: You have got a plaster? Is it open? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: All right. Shri Mataji: He understands English. Shri Mataji: That’s how. It’s very simple, very simple. All right? That’s your job, I think, Gregoire. Gregoire: [Is that?] Shri Mataji: Is that your German? Gregoire: Sorry. Yes, that’s it. Shri Mataji: It is, yes. That is the best German we can offer. I am sorry. So, let’s be, be in a cheerful way not serious. Again, I’m telling you. If you, if you are very serious we’ll have to tickle you. All right? Now put your hands like this. Because you are entering into the Kingdom of God and not in the, in the jail. So please be cheerful. One lady: Can You help me? I am single. I am living alone.
10/12/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=7120	Shri Ganesha Puja: Innocence within us must be first of all invoked	Switzerland	Zurich	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Ganesha	English	49	Shri Ganesha Puja. Zurich (Switzerland), 12 October 1980. You have to see that all the negativity goes away, around us, around the universe. So first we sing the praise of the Goddess; when She destroyed a very negative, satanic incarnation of Mahishasura. And when he was killed, all the gods praised Her for saving them from the destruction, and that happened long, long time back – about ten thousand years back. So this is the praise of the Gods of that so that, whatever is the negativity, through those mantras it will go away, because it surrounds us – you see that, all of them have been there coming; from ten thousand years they have been coming. But this is the way you can throw them out of the present into their proper places. All right? So, listen to it – it’s now in French luckily. Sahaja Yogi (Gregoire): It’s in French, it doesn’t matter, Mother? Shri Mataji: No, Sanskrit is not there? Gregoire: Sanskrit is there, but it is … Shri Mataji: You just read it in French, is all right. (Reading of a description of the Gods praising the Goddess in French, followed by lots of background noise as they prepare the Ganesha Puja. All recite, "Jai Ganesha, Jai Ganesha, Jai Ganesha pahimam, Shri Ganesha, Jai Ganesha, Jai Ganesha rakshamam." Shri Mataji: Now, what you are doing by saying these mantras, you are awakening the innocence within you; innocence is represented by Shri Ganesh. As you know, later on He incarnated as Lord Jesus Christ, but the innocence within us must be first of all invoked, because, before creating this universe, first of all innocence was created, because innocence has the greatest protective power, the greatest destructive power and it is the most powerful. So, first we are trying to invoke the innocence. Now, My feet here represent Ganesha, and they are innocent, and so, we are trying to worship those so that, within you, Ganesha should be invoked. Your innocence should be enlightened, all right? So you understand the meaning of it – come on. (Yogis preparing Puja) Gregoire: This is also? Shri Mataji: This is also the same thing: representative of Shri Ganesha [INAUDIBLE Puja instructions] Gregoire: There is the names. There is the names of Shri Ganesha. Shri Mataji: Yes. Now, these are the names of Shri Ganesha, so that you invoke in you your innocence. You can follow in French, as well. (Gregoire translates in French what Mother has just said, and then the names are read in Sanskrit. Mother interrupts to say that they should also give the meanings of the names.) Gregoire : Ganagurupta. Shri Mataji: You'll tell also the meaning. Have you got the meaning, Gregoire? Gregoire: No, You'd have to do it. Shri Mataji: Ganadhyaksha is the one. The ganas are the two which are the angels, so the left hand side, like St. Michael and He is the lord of all the left hand side – ganyadar.Grégoire: Ganamukta [namaha]. [All together recite: Om twameva shakshat Shri Ganamukta ya namaha] – [Mother] means the one who liberates those ganas.Ganadevata – is the one who is the God of all the ganas.Ganamandalamadhyasta – is the one who sits in the center of all the ganas.Gunateeta – this is beyond all the gunas: gunas, I’ll tell you later on. The gunas are the three aspects within us.Gunaraja – He’s the king of all the gunas.Gurupriya – He is the one who is loved by all the gurus.Gurupujita – He is the one who is worshipped by all the gurus.Gurudharmaduhramdaraya – He’s the one who looks after the Dharma of gurus.Gauriganeshwara- His Mother is a virgin – Gauri - and He is the Ishwara for Her; He is the Lord for Her.Gantatattwavide - [Mother: Granthatattwavideh] - He’s the essence: He has no body, He is the essence.Gangajalaraswadatshatura – [Mother can’t understand Gregoire’s accent and neither can we!!] Gregoire : It's a very odd one. Ok. Gaudarva/Gaudharba? – [Mother also not understanding accent again here] - 'Gau' is to the cows and 'dharba' is the one that they eat, the soft part, the grass.Gavishwara – He’s the God of the cows; cows are the mildest animals in India, they are the mildest animals, because they give milk and everything; they’re extremely mild. They’re the mildest, and He’s the God.Grahadevata - He’s the one who is the lord of the household, because it’s a child, you know?Gudaladubuje - [Mother asks, “What is it?”, but She can’t understand Gregoire!]Gupta – is a secret, He’s the secret part of it: He’s the private part, the secret part. (Tape interrupted here to later on in the Puja) Shri Mataji: … virgins, the girls below eight years are worshipped on this day, so we have got someone here who is sitting here, that is Helen. So she has to help Me. [Instructions given here – “Take the ghee, on the spoon. Let Hari pour it …” INAUDIBLE ] Now, this kajal is put in the eyes to take away all the negativity from your eyes. Sometimes the Mother has to weep also. (Aside – I haven’t put the sindhur yet.) This is the Sahasrara; by this, I worship your Sahasrara, by this I excite your Agnya, by honoring them. You have to tie this into My hand; this is the play of the children, means that you are tying your Mother with your love. I remember My grandchildren, when I went to their school: they used to tie My sari to the chair saying that, “You should not go out till we come here.” And the mother allows the children to play, so this they give Me for My protection, and this is all for all of your protection – means they tie up all My feet with this and then they tie up onto themselves. [Aside – Yes, please tie up My feet.] (Instructions to which foot – Mother says Her left foot.) (Regarding the mangalasutra) This is the sign that She is married to Shiva, you see; She’s the wife of Shiva so this is offered by the children to their Mother who’s married. Shiva is the Spirit, I mean Sadashiva is Her husband and She is His power. Now, the scent is offered from the Mother Earth, and the flowers are offered also. [Hindi.] We were very lucky that I got a sari in London – I was just telling Rajesh that, “What a nice sari I got from them there, so fortunate.” (About five minutes of Mother giving more instructions for preparing Her, but mostly silent in between. Someone takes some photos. Lots more silence – apart from the phone ringing a couple of times, and other unidentifiable noises! – Mixture of Hindi and English instructions.) Beautiful isn’t it? Just put it and take out … Come, put your hand. Even if you put your hand to them… I should have really needed a sari. Just take it [inaudible], can you remove this one for Me. [Hindi] [Shri Mataji talks aside to yogis.] You have to tie it to everyone. Can I see the linen just a minute? You are going to give him one photograph [inaudible] [Hindi] [Shri Mataji interacts with the yogis]. (The rest of Part 1 of talk is inaudible) (44.40 very slow rendition of Aarti….) Part 2: [About Vishuddhi] …so that you'll get the point. All kinds of guilts are accumulated there: She throws away, because She is the lightning, and lightning – what lightning does is to show all that is [impure?] She burns off all that [impurity?]. Vishnumaya – She’s thunderbolt. She’s a virgin, She’s a virgin: She dies just after Her death [birth?] in the sense that She was thrown away, but She’s a virgin and She prophesizes. She’s the One who gives prophecies. When you’ll catch, means you are actually going against Her, means you are developing within you a kind of a sin, which gets settled down as guilt; you accept it there the guilt and then you just avoid it. You think it’s a … once for all you ask - accept it as a guilt, your conscience is clear then, “Anything I have done was guilt, then what is there? Now, no more guilts, I am going to do.” Like that kind of a thing, attitude. Tell them in French. (Gregoire translates some, then telephone call interrupts – Mother thinks it might be Sir CP but it’s something about a nice cake!) So, this Vishnumaya is important because here, you see, people are so intelligent: that whatever is wrong, they rationalize it and put it as guilt there. (Gregoire translates for a while, probably a lot of what is missing at the beginning of this part of tape.) You see, there could be three types of attitudes towards sin; one could be that, you should say, “Why should I commit sins? I’m not going to commit sins.” This could be one attitude. Another could be that, “This is not sin: I’ll do what I like.” That is on the right hand side. And the third could be that, “Yes, I know it is a sin: I’m the worst man, I’m a very bad person, I’m good for nothing – what to do? That’s why I’m doing the sins.” Now, the Incarnation is beyond sin because, whatever He does, He’s the [punya ?]. Even if He kills someone, it is necessary; even if He has to lay a diplomacy, [Gregoire translates ‘play a diplomacy’] it is necessary. But for human beings, it is necessary to know that, if you commit sins, then you go down in your Dharma. But after realization, you become really dharmateet, means ‘beyond Dharma’. Means, if you do anything wrong then immediately you’ll have the reaction on your vibrations, on all your stomach or something will happen to you. Like for example now, supposing you eat a kind of a food which you should not eat – immediately you get diarrhea. If you drink alcohol, you will vomit: it will happen to you automatically. That’s how you give up alcohol, smoking - all these things. You don’t even like the taste of it after some time. You just don’t want to have it. That means you have gone beyond dharma; means you do not have to establish it, it is just there – now it’s… the whole system is working. Means your attention has gone; your attention has gone beyond dharma. You don’t have to worry about keeping your dharma. Before this, you had to keep a watch as to be in the center in your dharma. Now, if you try to do anything, immediately it will show on your vibrations, or in your constitution it will show, so you don’t have to put full attention to it. There was one fellow who used to go to a Greek church – Greek Orthodox Church – and I never told him, “Don’t go to church,” or anything, because they are all just trying to make money out of it and it’s nothing - it’s all bogus. But then, after realization he went to the church - his feet and hands and everything started burning. I mean, he was so greatly realized, I should say; he became so sensitive. The next time he went to the church, he thought there must be bhoots so he took some red powder and sprinkled it all over. So half of the people left the church, but he also walked out and they were all saying, “It was very hot in the church.” Then he came and asked Me about this phenomenon. I told him, “You’d better not go.” So he took a lot of this red thing, and all over he put cross and swastika with this on the church. I don’t know, but maybe he was saying that now, the church is practically vacant. But now they’ll go to the pub. (Mother laughs) They will not come to Sahaja Yoga - that is the problem. I have told about Blake’s writing, isn’t it, yesterday? But the French people, they have not heard, so if you tell them, they’ll be very happy and they can tell Cathy, Lill and Murray about it. (Gregoire explains in French, about previous talk regarding Blake’s poem, Milton, about the flames of the renewal coming from Surrey's hills – where Shri Mataja lived – that the New Jerusalem later will there return, “Return, return to Lambeth Vale, …” where Shri Mataji put the first stone of the ashram as Linda Williams had found house in Chelsham Road.) "Where the foundations are laid …" The letter is to return to Cathy. Jerusalem. You'll say that now, the whole story is, the name of this pilgrim is 'Jerusalem of England'. I mean, He is going to establish Jerusalem now in England; He says now Jerusalem is going to be in England. This is it, Jerusalem – is the pilgrimage for Christ – is going to be in England. This is the head of those, the heading. He has prophesized all this. He has prophesized already. You must hear this. You didn't hear this, Arneau? Letter. You must know this one. Did you follow? You see, Blake has written already about Me, long time back. (Discussion with yogis referring to a letter that was read out the week before in Geneva) Yogi: I know that we read it last week in Geneva Shri Mataji: Read it. Yogi: It’s not this one. Is so precise, it’s amazing, Mataji. Shri Mataji: Imagine, to literally write ‘Lambeth Vale’ of all the things. And when I was in Surrey Hills, you see, to connect both the things, it’s remarkable. How could He prophesize? You see, He is a great prophesier, a great saint. I mean English people have not valued Him much. Of course, Shakespeare was a avadhuta [ascetic saint], that kind of gurus who live in the villages. You see, they tried to show that everything is futile: this romanticism is futile, this is futile, that is futile. Like, you see Hamlet – all his behavior - he listened to his mother’s bhoot, you see and his behavior also was futile. And what he did was he killed his own fiancée, he killed his own mother; I mean, everything is futile, that’s what he tried to show. Which is very true also, but they are very harsh, you know. (Gregoire translates from Blake’s poem, “Milton” into French, although he only reads part of this passage, marked in blue: ) ‘...The Surrey hills glow like the clinkers of the furnace;Lambeth’s Vale Where Jerusalem’s foundations began;Where they were laid in ruinsWhere they were laid in ruins from everyNation and Oak Groves rootedDark gleams before the Furnace-mouth, a heap of burning ashes.When shall Jerusalem return and overspread all the Nations?Return: return to Lambeth’s Vale, O building of human souls!Thence stony Druid Temples overspread the Island white And thence from Jerusalems ruins… from her walls of salvation And praise: thro' the whole Earth were rear'd from Ireland To Mexico & Peru west, & east to China & Japan; till Babel The Spectre of Albion frown'd over the Nations in glory & war All things begin & end in Albion's ancient Druid rocky shore But now the Starry Heavens are fled from the mighty limbs of AlbionLoud sounds the Hammer of Los, loud turn the Wheels of Enitharmon Her Looms vibrate with soft affections, weaving the Web of Life Out from the ashes of the Dead; Los lifts his iron Ladles With molten ore: he heaves the iron cliffs in his rattling chains From Hyde Park to the Alms-houses of Mile-end & old Bow Here the Three Classes of Mortal Men take their fix'd destinations And hence they overspread the Nations of the whole Earth & hence The Web of Life is woven: & the tender sinews of life created And the Three Classes of Men regulated by Los's hammer...’ Shri Mataji: Remarkable, and I laid the foundation stone only about - before coming - about say, I think, seventeen, eighteen days back. Maybe about twenty days back, I must have laid the foundation. And now this is published and this I received in Geneva. (Tape interrupted.) All right, so I think we all should rest now for a while, and relax. I think he has got it [referring to getting Realization], but I’ll have to work on her for a while. No, he has touched..., he’s felt it, twice. You see for her – now, if they work on the photograph they’ll get it, I mean their Kundalini has been awakened. (Mother starts working on a woman. At the same time Gregoire speaks to yogis.)) Tell her not to put her feet towards Me. She should ask on the thing (photo?) whether, “You are Mother, You are Christ – You are Mother of Christ,” because her chakra of Christ is catching. Both of them can ask. You’ll be all right. Kundalini has awakened now, She’s clean now. I mean, they are awakened. Let them ask the question, if they want. Ask in French [is Mother the Mother of Christ?]. Again; again, again [8 times.]. Aah! I’m feeling the cool breeze in the hands. Yogi: He feels; she does not. Shri Mataji: Both are there. She used to smoke? Did she smoke? (Woman asks a question which Gregoire answers in French) Shri Mataji: What is it? Gregoire: Nothing, Mother. No, she was saying that she’s not sure of what’s going on here and I told her … Shri Mataji: How can she be sure? Gregoire: That’s exactly what I told her – how can she be sure? Shri Mataji: Her eyes are not yet opened; see, her eyes are not opened as yet. Gregoire: Of course, yeah, of course. (Woman still questioning) Shri Mataji: And do not think about it, because you won’t understand: your eyes are to be opened still. In darkness, you will not understand. (Man also questions) Gregoire: He says, we have been cheated once, so now we feel very … Shri Mataji: No, but why will I cheat you? How much money did you give Me? What are you going to … What are you going to give Me? Did you talk to your guru, ask any questions first? Then to Me, you are asking all the questions. See where there is the Truth. Where the truth is there, human beings fall down, and when there is untruth, you just jump into it. What am I going to cheat you for? We did not even allow you to come to Puja; I mean, you see, ours is a different system. Actually, it is I Who have to accept, not that you have to accept: it’s a question of My acceptance. Yes, I have to accept it; it is not that you have to accept Me – the position is different. See? You understand the point? It’s a different position actually. Now, see the vibrations. That’s why she was not feeling: he’s a devil. And how can you put Me on par with it, how can you get Realization? As soon as you say something, as he was better! It’s a Mahamaya. It’s such a Mahamaya, you see, because it is testing you; it is testing you all the time. Because all the deities know it. (Aside – He’s all right, it comes out. She is difficult. Yes, she works out but Vishuddhi is really bad, which doubts.) See now, I told you – Gregoire, you tell them to judge like this, that when they go to Mahesh Yogi [Maharishi-TM] or anyone, they have to work: he doesn’t work. Here, I have to work. Secondly, the people who are here, they know what is your problem – they all know; even he knows. You see, everyone knows what is happening, where it is, and they all say the same thing. And they are not going to cheat you either. So, now you see, all right? So, it has to work out. You have to become: it cannot be just done by false certificate. It has to happen. Even the little girl, Estelle, will tell you. She can tell. Now, you are all seekers, you are seeking the truth, and that’s why I am going all out for you. All right? And you all should get it: that’s your right to have it. All of you are going to get it, even you may go to any guru, or anything, I’m going to give you. You don’t have to worry. Now, don’t cry, come. Come here. Don’t cry; there’s nothing to cry, you are going to get it. All right? You are all seekers. You are going to get it; don’t worry, don’t be disappointed. Close your eyes. She’s going now? (Referring to child who is leaving). Gregoire: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Helen, are you going? Helen: Yes, I am going. Shri Mataji: Aaah. Helen: Goodbye. Shri Mataji: (Mother kisses her) Goodbye. I haven’t got anything to give to her. Helen, what should I give you? Helen: Nothing. Give me Your love. Shri Mataji: I’ll give that. Give her My photograph - at least something. I haven’t got anything for her; I didn’t know I was going to meet her. (Mother continues working on the woman – “both the chakras are catching.”) May God bless you. And you have to contact these patients, and Gregoire and [?] are going to work it out. All right, Doctor? Look after yourself. (Yogi explains to Mother who else is catching). All right, that’s good, very fine, thank you very much. No, this side. (More talking among yogis). Gregoire: Laurent a senti… Sorry, Mother, now I talk French with You! It’s very interesting – Laurent felt the left Mooladhara and this is the Siddhi course, You remember? Shri Mataji: They are all sick: Siddhi course breaks the Mooladhara. (Mother continues working on seekers from TM – She repeats “Sakshat Param” quite a few times) (A child calls out) Shri Mataji: (to woman seeker) She is your sister? He’s your brother. (To yogi) She’ll have to put her left hand towards the photograph and right hand on [Vishhuddhi ?]. Are you feeling better now, relaxed? The spirits are out. (To a yogi) You took two days to be all right, isn’t it? Gregoire: Mother, she’ll work it out on the photograph; that will be good. Shri Mataji: Yes, and they also took … You took two days, isn’t it, to get your Realization? Or three days. Gregoire: Four days. Shri Mataji: Four days, so she’ll also take some time, that’s all. It’s all right. Don’t be disturbed, don’t be nervous – it is going to work out. It takes …Now you have done this course for so many days, you see – at least four days is all right? You are going to get it, and when you get it you write to Me, all right? (Mother kisses the seeker) She’ll be all right. You see, it takes time for … You see this, with this kind of TM [Transcendental Meditation] course, you do take a little time – three, four days, or something. All right? She’ll be all right. (Mother is leaving) Give My love to Kathy very much, and to the Moroccan girl, you see, and Monica, and to Esther also: very much. I remember them, all of them. Tell them not to worry, because you have also taken four days – so it doesn’t matter. Just come. And then they will know what is needed about the chakras and all that, then you can talk. (To yogini) You are doing very good work in Paris, all right? I will try to come in Paris, on My way to India – maybe for one or two days. Then I will call you, all right? Maybe, maybe. So I’d like to see you all. By that time, you’ll all get Realization; you should become masters of Kundalini. I bless you very much. All right? Now we know such a lot about Kundalini – you will also learn. (Tape ends)	null	null	null	Shri Ganesha Puja. Zurich (Switzerland), 12 October 1980. You have to see that all the negativity goes away, around us, around the universe. So first we sing the praise of the Goddess; when She destroyed a very negative, satanic incarnation of Mahishasura. And when he was killed, all the gods praised Her for saving them from the destruction, and that happened long, long time back – about ten thousand years back. So this is the praise of the Gods of that so that, whatever is the negativity, through those mantras it will go away, because it surrounds us – you see that, all of them have been there coming; from ten thousand years they have been coming. But this is the way you can throw them out of the present into their proper places. All right? So, listen to it – it’s now in French luckily. Sahaja Yogi (Gregoire): It’s in French, it doesn’t matter, Mother? Shri Mataji: No, Sanskrit is not there? Gregoire: Sanskrit is there, but it is … Shri Mataji: You just read it in French, is all right. (Reading of a description of the Gods praising the Goddess in French, followed by lots of background noise as they prepare the Ganesha Puja. All recite, "Jai Ganesha, Jai Ganesha, Jai Ganesha pahimam, Shri Ganesha, Jai Ganesha, Jai Ganesha rakshamam." Shri Mataji: Now, what you are doing by saying these mantras, you are awakening the innocence within you; innocence is represented by Shri Ganesh. As you know, later on He incarnated as Lord Jesus Christ, but the innocence within us must be first of all invoked, because, before creating this universe, first of all innocence was created, because innocence has the greatest protective power, the greatest destructive power and it is the most powerful. So, first we are trying to invoke the innocence. Now, My feet here represent Ganesha, and they are innocent, and so, we are trying to worship those so that, within you, Ganesha should be invoked. Your innocence should be enlightened, all right? So you understand the meaning of it – come on. (Yogis preparing Puja) Gregoire: This is also? Shri Mataji: This is also the same thing: representative of Shri Ganesha [INAUDIBLE Puja instructions] Gregoire: There is the names. There is the names of Shri Ganesha. Shri Mataji: Yes. Now, these are the names of Shri Ganesha, so that you invoke in you your innocence. You can follow in French, as well. (Gregoire translates in French what Mother has just said, and then the names are read in Sanskrit. Mother interrupts to say that they should also give the meanings of the names.) Gregoire : Ganagurupta. Shri Mataji: You'll tell also the meaning. Have you got the meaning, Gregoire? Gregoire: No, You'd have to do it. Shri Mataji: Ganadhyaksha is the one. The ganas are the two which are the angels, so the left hand side, like St. Michael and He is the lord of all the left hand side – ganyadar.Grégoire: Ganamukta [namaha]. [All together recite: Om twameva shakshat Shri Ganamukta ya namaha] – [Mother] means the one who liberates those ganas.Ganadevata – is the one who is the God of all the ganas.Ganamandalamadhyasta – is the one who sits in the center of all the ganas.Gunateeta – this is beyond all the gunas: gunas, I’ll tell you later on. The gunas are the three aspects within us.Gunaraja – He’s the king of all the gunas.Gurupriya – He is the one who is loved by all the gurus.Gurupujita – He is the one who is worshipped by all the gurus.Gurudharmaduhramdaraya – He’s the one who looks after the Dharma of gurus.Gauriganeshwara- His Mother is a virgin – Gauri - and He is the Ishwara for Her; He is the Lord for Her.Gantatattwavide - [Mother: Granthatattwavideh] - He’s the essence: He has no body, He is the essence.Gangajalaraswadatshatura – [Mother can’t understand Gregoire’s accent and neither can we!!] Gregoire : It's a very odd one. Ok. Gaudarva/Gaudharba? – [Mother also not understanding accent again here] - 'Gau' is to the cows and 'dharba' is the one that they eat, the soft part, the grass.Gavishwara – He’s the God of the cows; cows are the mildest animals in India, they are the mildest animals, because they give milk and everything; they’re extremely mild. They’re the mildest, and He’s the God.Grahadevata - He’s the one who is the lord of the household, because it’s a child, you know?Gudaladubuje - [Mother asks, “What is it?”, but She can’t understand Gregoire!]Gupta – is a secret, He’s the secret part of it: He’s the private part, the secret part. (Tape interrupted here to later on in the Puja) Shri Mataji: … virgins, the girls below eight years are worshipped on this day, so we have got someone here who is sitting here, that is Helen. So she has to help Me. [Instructions given here – “Take the ghee, on the spoon. Let Hari pour it …” INAUDIBLE ] Now, this kajal is put in the eyes to take away all the negativity from your eyes. Sometimes the Mother has to weep also. (Aside – I haven’t put the sindhur yet.) This is the Sahasrara; by this, I worship your Sahasrara, by this I excite your Agnya, by honoring them. You have to tie this into My hand; this is the play of the children, means that you are tying your Mother with your love. I remember My grandchildren, when I went to their school: they used to tie My sari to the chair saying that, “You should not go out till we come here.” And the mother allows the children to play, so this they give Me for My protection, and this is all for all of your protection – means they tie up all My feet with this and then they tie up onto themselves. [Aside – Yes, please tie up My feet.] (Instructions to which foot – Mother says Her left foot.) (Regarding the mangalasutra) This is the sign that She is married to Shiva, you see; She’s the wife of Shiva so this is offered by the children to their Mother who’s married. Shiva is the Spirit, I mean Sadashiva is Her husband and She is His power. Now, the scent is offered from the Mother Earth, and the flowers are offered also. [Hindi.] We were very lucky that I got a sari in London – I was just telling Rajesh that, “What a nice sari I got from them there, so fortunate.” (About five minutes of Mother giving more instructions for preparing Her, but mostly silent in between. Someone takes some photos. Lots more silence – apart from the phone ringing a couple of times, and other unidentifiable noises! – Mixture of Hindi and English instructions.) Beautiful isn’t it? Just put it and take out … Come, put your hand. Even if you put your hand to them… I should have really needed a sari. Just take it [inaudible], can you remove this one for Me. [Hindi] [Shri Mataji talks aside to yogis.] You have to tie it to everyone. Can I see the linen just a minute? You are going to give him one photograph [inaudible] [Hindi] [Shri Mataji interacts with the yogis]. (The rest of Part 1 of talk is inaudible) (44.40 very slow rendition of Aarti….) Part 2: [About Vishuddhi] …so that you'll get the point. All kinds of guilts are accumulated there: She throws away, because She is the lightning, and lightning – what lightning does is to show all that is [impure?] She burns off all that [impurity?]. Vishnumaya – She’s thunderbolt. She’s a virgin, She’s a virgin: She dies just after Her death [birth?] in the sense that She was thrown away, but She’s a virgin and She prophesizes. She’s the One who gives prophecies. When you’ll catch, means you are actually going against Her, means you are developing within you a kind of a sin, which gets settled down as guilt; you accept it there the guilt and then you just avoid it. You think it’s a … once for all you ask - accept it as a guilt, your conscience is clear then, “Anything I have done was guilt, then what is there? Now, no more guilts, I am going to do.” Like that kind of a thing, attitude. Tell them in French. (Gregoire translates some, then telephone call interrupts – Mother thinks it might be Sir CP but it’s something about a nice cake!) So, this Vishnumaya is important because here, you see, people are so intelligent: that whatever is wrong, they rationalize it and put it as guilt there. (Gregoire translates for a while, probably a lot of what is missing at the beginning of this part of tape.) You see, there could be three types of attitudes towards sin; one could be that, you should say, “Why should I commit sins? I’m not going to commit sins.” This could be one attitude. Another could be that, “This is not sin: I’ll do what I like.” That is on the right hand side. And the third could be that, “Yes, I know it is a sin: I’m the worst man, I’m a very bad person, I’m good for nothing – what to do? That’s why I’m doing the sins.” Now, the Incarnation is beyond sin because, whatever He does, He’s the [punya ?]. Even if He kills someone, it is necessary; even if He has to lay a diplomacy, [Gregoire translates ‘play a diplomacy’] it is necessary. But for human beings, it is necessary to know that, if you commit sins, then you go down in your Dharma. But after realization, you become really dharmateet, means ‘beyond Dharma’. Means, if you do anything wrong then immediately you’ll have the reaction on your vibrations, on all your stomach or something will happen to you. Like for example now, supposing you eat a kind of a food which you should not eat – immediately you get diarrhea. If you drink alcohol, you will vomit: it will happen to you automatically. That’s how you give up alcohol, smoking - all these things. You don’t even like the taste of it after some time. You just don’t want to have it. That means you have gone beyond dharma; means you do not have to establish it, it is just there – now it’s… the whole system is working. Means your attention has gone; your attention has gone beyond dharma. You don’t have to worry about keeping your dharma. Before this, you had to keep a watch as to be in the center in your dharma. Now, if you try to do anything, immediately it will show on your vibrations, or in your constitution it will show, so you don’t have to put full attention to it. There was one fellow who used to go to a Greek church – Greek Orthodox Church – and I never told him, “Don’t go to church,” or anything, because they are all just trying to make money out of it and it’s nothing - it’s all bogus. But then, after realization he went to the church - his feet and hands and everything started burning. I mean, he was so greatly realized, I should say; he became so sensitive. The next time he went to the church, he thought there must be bhoots so he took some red powder and sprinkled it all over. So half of the people left the church, but he also walked out and they were all saying, “It was very hot in the church.” Then he came and asked Me about this phenomenon. I told him, “You’d better not go.” So he took a lot of this red thing, and all over he put cross and swastika with this on the church. I don’t know, but maybe he was saying that now, the church is practically vacant. But now they’ll go to the pub. (Mother laughs) They will not come to Sahaja Yoga - that is the problem. I have told about Blake’s writing, isn’t it, yesterday? But the French people, they have not heard, so if you tell them, they’ll be very happy and they can tell Cathy, Lill and Murray about it. (Gregoire explains in French, about previous talk regarding Blake’s poem, Milton, about the flames of the renewal coming from Surrey's hills – where Shri Mataja lived – that the New Jerusalem later will there return, “Return, return to Lambeth Vale, …” where Shri Mataji put the first stone of the ashram as Linda Williams had found house in Chelsham Road.) "Where the foundations are laid …" The letter is to return to Cathy. Jerusalem. You'll say that now, the whole story is, the name of this pilgrim is 'Jerusalem of England'. I mean, He is going to establish Jerusalem now in England; He says now Jerusalem is going to be in England. This is it, Jerusalem – is the pilgrimage for Christ – is going to be in England. This is the head of those, the heading. He has prophesized all this. He has prophesized already. You must hear this. You didn't hear this, Arneau? Letter. You must know this one. Did you follow? You see, Blake has written already about Me, long time back. (Discussion with yogis referring to a letter that was read out the week before in Geneva) Yogi: I know that we read it last week in Geneva Shri Mataji: Read it. Yogi: It’s not this one. Is so precise, it’s amazing, Mataji. Shri Mataji: Imagine, to literally write ‘Lambeth Vale’ of all the things. And when I was in Surrey Hills, you see, to connect both the things, it’s remarkable. How could He prophesize? You see, He is a great prophesier, a great saint. I mean English people have not valued Him much. Of course, Shakespeare was a avadhuta [ascetic saint], that kind of gurus who live in the villages. You see, they tried to show that everything is futile: this romanticism is futile, this is futile, that is futile. Like, you see Hamlet – all his behavior - he listened to his mother’s bhoot, you see and his behavior also was futile. And what he did was he killed his own fiancée, he killed his own mother; I mean, everything is futile, that’s what he tried to show. Which is very true also, but they are very harsh, you know. (Gregoire translates from Blake’s poem, “Milton” into French, although he only reads part of this passage, marked in blue: ) ‘...The Surrey hills glow like the clinkers of the furnace;Lambeth’s Vale Where Jerusalem’s foundations began;Where they were laid in ruinsWhere they were laid in ruins from everyNation and Oak Groves rootedDark gleams before the Furnace-mouth, a heap of burning ashes.When shall Jerusalem return and overspread all the Nations?Return: return to Lambeth’s Vale, O building of human souls!Thence stony Druid Temples overspread the Island white And thence from Jerusalems ruins… from her walls of salvation And praise: thro' the whole Earth were rear'd from Ireland To Mexico & Peru west, & east to China & Japan; till Babel The Spectre of Albion frown'd over the Nations in glory & war All things begin & end in Albion's ancient Druid rocky shore But now the Starry Heavens are fled from the mighty limbs of AlbionLoud sounds the Hammer of Los, loud turn the Wheels of Enitharmon Her Looms vibrate with soft affections, weaving the Web of Life Out from the ashes of the Dead; Los lifts his iron Ladles With molten ore: he heaves the iron cliffs in his rattling chains From Hyde Park to the Alms-houses of Mile-end & old Bow Here the Three Classes of Mortal Men take their fix'd destinations And hence they overspread the Nations of the whole Earth & hence The Web of Life is woven: & the tender sinews of life created And the Three Classes of Men regulated by Los's hammer...’ Shri Mataji: Remarkable, and I laid the foundation stone only about - before coming - about say, I think, seventeen, eighteen days back. Maybe about twenty days back, I must have laid the foundation. And now this is published and this I received in Geneva. (Tape interrupted.) All right, so I think we all should rest now for a while, and relax. I think he has got it [referring to getting Realization], but I’ll have to work on her for a while. No, he has touched..., he’s felt it, twice. You see for her – now, if they work on the photograph they’ll get it, I mean their Kundalini has been awakened. (Mother starts working on a woman. At the same time Gregoire speaks to yogis.)) Tell her not to put her feet towards Me. She should ask on the thing (photo?) whether, “You are Mother, You are Christ – You are Mother of Christ,” because her chakra of Christ is catching. Both of them can ask. You’ll be all right. Kundalini has awakened now, She’s clean now. I mean, they are awakened. Let them ask the question, if they want. Ask in French [is Mother the Mother of Christ?]. Again; again, again [8 times.]. Aah! I’m feeling the cool breeze in the hands. Yogi: He feels; she does not. Shri Mataji: Both are there. She used to smoke? Did she smoke? (Woman asks a question which Gregoire answers in French) Shri Mataji: What is it? Gregoire: Nothing, Mother. No, she was saying that she’s not sure of what’s going on here and I told her … Shri Mataji: How can she be sure? Gregoire: That’s exactly what I told her – how can she be sure? Shri Mataji: Her eyes are not yet opened; see, her eyes are not opened as yet. Gregoire: Of course, yeah, of course. (Woman still questioning) Shri Mataji: And do not think about it, because you won’t understand: your eyes are to be opened still. In darkness, you will not understand. (Man also questions) Gregoire: He says, we have been cheated once, so now we feel very … Shri Mataji: No, but why will I cheat you? How much money did you give Me? What are you going to … What are you going to give Me? Did you talk to your guru, ask any questions first? Then to Me, you are asking all the questions. See where there is the Truth. Where the truth is there, human beings fall down, and when there is untruth, you just jump into it. What am I going to cheat you for? We did not even allow you to come to Puja; I mean, you see, ours is a different system. Actually, it is I Who have to accept, not that you have to accept: it’s a question of My acceptance. Yes, I have to accept it; it is not that you have to accept Me – the position is different. See? You understand the point? It’s a different position actually. Now, see the vibrations. That’s why she was not feeling: he’s a devil. And how can you put Me on par with it, how can you get Realization? As soon as you say something, as he was better! It’s a Mahamaya. It’s such a Mahamaya, you see, because it is testing you; it is testing you all the time. Because all the deities know it. (Aside – He’s all right, it comes out. She is difficult. Yes, she works out but Vishuddhi is really bad, which doubts.) See now, I told you – Gregoire, you tell them to judge like this, that when they go to Mahesh Yogi [Maharishi-TM] or anyone, they have to work: he doesn’t work. Here, I have to work. Secondly, the people who are here, they know what is your problem – they all know; even he knows. You see, everyone knows what is happening, where it is, and they all say the same thing. And they are not going to cheat you either. So, now you see, all right? So, it has to work out. You have to become: it cannot be just done by false certificate. It has to happen. Even the little girl, Estelle, will tell you. She can tell. Now, you are all seekers, you are seeking the truth, and that’s why I am going all out for you. All right? And you all should get it: that’s your right to have it. All of you are going to get it, even you may go to any guru, or anything, I’m going to give you. You don’t have to worry. Now, don’t cry, come. Come here. Don’t cry; there’s nothing to cry, you are going to get it. All right? You are all seekers. You are going to get it; don’t worry, don’t be disappointed. Close your eyes. She’s going now? (Referring to child who is leaving). Gregoire: Yes, Mother. Shri Mataji: Helen, are you going? Helen: Yes, I am going. Shri Mataji: Aaah. Helen: Goodbye. Shri Mataji: (Mother kisses her) Goodbye. I haven’t got anything to give to her. Helen, what should I give you? Helen: Nothing. Give me Your love. Shri Mataji: I’ll give that. Give her My photograph - at least something. I haven’t got anything for her; I didn’t know I was going to meet her. (Mother continues working on the woman – “both the chakras are catching.”) May God bless you. And you have to contact these patients, and Gregoire and [?] are going to work it out. All right, Doctor? Look after yourself. (Yogi explains to Mother who else is catching). All right, that’s good, very fine, thank you very much. No, this side. (More talking among yogis). Gregoire: Laurent a senti… Sorry, Mother, now I talk French with You! It’s very interesting – Laurent felt the left Mooladhara and this is the Siddhi course, You remember? Shri Mataji: They are all sick: Siddhi course breaks the Mooladhara. (Mother continues working on seekers from TM – She repeats “Sakshat Param” quite a few times) (A child calls out) Shri Mataji: (to woman seeker) She is your sister? He’s your brother. (To yogi) She’ll have to put her left hand towards the photograph and right hand on [Vishhuddhi ?]. Are you feeling better now, relaxed? The spirits are out. (To a yogi) You took two days to be all right, isn’t it? Gregoire: Mother, she’ll work it out on the photograph; that will be good. Shri Mataji: Yes, and they also took … You took two days, isn’t it, to get your Realization? Or three days. Gregoire: Four days. Shri Mataji: Four days, so she’ll also take some time, that’s all. It’s all right. Don’t be disturbed, don’t be nervous – it is going to work out. It takes …Now you have done this course for so many days, you see – at least four days is all right? You are going to get it, and when you get it you write to Me, all right? (Mother kisses the seeker) She’ll be all right. You see, it takes time for … You see this, with this kind of TM [Transcendental Meditation] course, you do take a little time – three, four days, or something. All right? She’ll be all right. (Mother is leaving) Give My love to Kathy very much, and to the Moroccan girl, you see, and Monica, and to Esther also: very much. I remember them, all of them. Tell them not to worry, because you have also taken four days – so it doesn’t matter. Just come. And then they will know what is needed about the chakras and all that, then you can talk. (To yogini) You are doing very good work in Paris, all right? I will try to come in Paris, on My way to India – maybe for one or two days. Then I will call you, all right? Maybe, maybe. So I’d like to see you all. By that time, you’ll all get Realization; you should become masters of Kundalini. I bless you very much. All right? Now we know such a lot about Kundalini – you will also learn. (Tape ends)
10/19/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6709	10th Day of Navaratri Puja & Havan, Just surrender	England	Hampstead	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Navaratri	English	67	Navaratri Puja. Hampstead, London (UK), 19 October 1980. So you have already heard about the importance of today in the life of the Goddess. And that today is Ravana was killed and that’s how there were celebrations. It still reflects itself [unsure] As you know very well that all the satanic forces which one had to face one at the time are all back on the stage and they are to be defeated. The greatest problem of modern times is that these satanic forces have taken a very subtle form and they enter into your psyches and into your egos. And you are the saints, you are the bhaktas, you are the devotees of the Goddess. It’s a very delicate situation. When the confusion is there, when the saints are attacked, the aggressor can be removed, but the saint becomes mixed up or confused with negative forces, which is very difficult to make him see the light. And you have seen this situation very well. And the subtler you grow, the subtler they became. And they start giving you ideas which are so negative, but you cannot see them. So the problem today is very delicate. There are no absolute saints and there are no absolute bad people. Such a mixture, a confusion, that is what is Kali Yuga is, these modern times are. The only way to get rid of them is to surrender. That is the only way, there is no other way around. Because when you surrender, the spirits, the negativities, the satanic forces just disappear because they are not effective. They have no business to be there. They have no interest in a person who is surrendered to God. They cannot surrender. If they surrender they’ll also become saints. All the time to think: “What are my catches? What are my negativities?” Is not going to help you. Just surrender all these ideas that are coming to you and you’ll find that all absurd ideas will run away. This is the easiest way to get rid of your problems, is just to surrender. After all, all these horrible people, all the horrible deities, enemies, who came forward to fight the Goddess, are there as long as you nurture them. As soon as you surrender yourself, they find you of no use for themselves and they go to other half-baked people. The growth will only come, when the surrender is complete. One has to know that the powers are tremendous. You cannot conceive it as it is said by Markandeya. You cannot conceive it; it is beyond your conception. Outwardly you cannot understand, you just cannot understand. Under such circumstances, the best thing is to surrender yourself. Now with surrendering, what do you surrender? What do you surrender? It’s your ego and your super-ego and it is completely cleansed and drenched in the blessing. Because you cannot give anything, you have to receive the blessings and to receive the blessings you have to just surrender. It is so simple. The easiest way to solve all your problems is to surrender. Just say: “I surrender”. For Realized souls this should be their mantra. And you will be amazed how all your problems will vanish. Because not only that the powers are tremendous, but as you are Realized souls all the divine Forces, all the divine Deities, all the Eternal Beings, Chiranjivas, all the angels and the ganas, all of them are looking after you. But they know one thing, those who are surrendered and those who are not surrendered. You just surrender the problem, and you will be surprised that the answer will come in such a miraculous way. Just surrender. Do not take any responsibility upon yourself. Just surrender. Because how far you can go into the solution? Up to your rationality. Beyond that you are your Spirit, and the Spirit is connected to the Divine. So best is to surrender and the whole thing will show such light and such beauty and such meaning. In the modern times now the work is not the same way as it was where it is described ,when the Raudrarupa or that the Chandrarupa you see there, was there at the back. It’s a mine work, it’s a Mother, it’s a simple, loving, compassionate. For your protection, this rupa is there, but you do not see it. You are completely protected, be sure of it. And all your powers after Realization of giving Kundalini awakening, or of curing people, or of talking about Sahaja Yoga, or spreading it, any, any kind of thing that you want is all granted, is all flowing through. And as you know, that there are many saints, who have said, “Why these Sahaja Yogis, they should be granted this great boon?” So one can say it’s a whim, all right. There is one more thing. I was happy to learn that the great poet of this country, Blake, had prophesied about Me. And it is so beautifully done, that He said that England is going to be the Jerusalem. This is going to be the pilgrimage. The venue has shifted. And then He has very beautifully- have you got the thing to read? Oh, haven’t brought it. But what reading, that He has said that first the furnace will be burning in Surrey Hills, where I came first, and then He has mentioned Lambeth Vale, where we have got our Ashram, where the foundations will be laid, we have laid the foundations. And that Jerusalem is going to be in England, not in India. And you are the people responsible for this Jerusalem. Today is the day for which in India everybody is doing Puja. And all the Sahaja Yogis today, in every center there is a Puja today. And they are all thinking of you people. So you have to receive the supreme bliss today, the supreme bliss, only by surrender. Today the vibrations are tremendous. Keep all your doubts and all your nonsensical things outside. Just receive it and get it. These things are going to help you, nothing else. Because you don’t have to give Me anything, but receive it yourself. Receive it as much as you can. This Havan you know is a very good thing for reciting the name of the Goddess. Her eyes are given by fire, [Agni] as they say, and in that light, in that fire, in the name of Goddess, we awaken our Deities within us and burn away all that is wrong in these particular chakras which invoke those powers. So with devotion and understanding you have to do it. Because you are really privileged people, today, extremely privileged. Be proud of that, and do with that devotion all these things. Today is a very much better time because the Dashara and the Navaratri, both are combined at this time. And so it has worked out very well. We should do it with full devotion. I think very few people can put in the fire, but we can all do symbolically and say this. And how many names do you want to take away? Hundred-and-eight? Sahaja Yogi: Thousand. Shri Mataji: “What’s it? [Laughter] Shri Mataji: You would like to thousand? That is a good idea. If you have that much devotion it will be the best because it will about take two hours at the most, at the most. Not two hours, I think one hour if we go fast. Will you be able to say all that? Do you think it’s easy?” Sahaja Yogi: “Yes.” Shri Mataji: “One thousand names. Or else, you can give food to children. They will be tired. What do you say? What do you think? Let’s try it. In India they would do one thousand. Sahaja Yogi: Then we will do thousand. [Laughter. 12 :21 End of first track] [They start preparing for the Havan. Yogis recite 108 names of Shri Mataji.] Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of London. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of India. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Britain. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of London. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the badhas of London Sahaj Yogis. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: The Ashram. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Brighton. The badhas of Brighton. Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Brighton. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the other centers we should say. Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Cambridge. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Birmingham. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE] Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Exter. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Leeds. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Northampton. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: York. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] Sahaja Yogi: Preston, three times. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Liverpool. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Edinburgh. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Dublin. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Scotland. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Norland. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: Sheffield. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Norwich. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE] Sahaja Yogini: Hampton. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: The Vale of Lambeth. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: The Surrey Hills. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: France. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Switzerland. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: Greece. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Italy. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Vatican. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Catholic. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: and protestant. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Jews. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Atheists. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Arabs. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Hindus. Shri Mataji: Hindus. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: All the priesthood, Shri Mataji: All the priests. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the Mullahs. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the Sikhs. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the Seekers. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the Gurus. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the fake gurus. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the Americans. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Australians. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Africans. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Malaysians. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Mauritians. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Indians. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All British Indians. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: South Africa. Shri Mataji: South Africa. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: South Americans. Shri Mataji: South Americans. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Russians. Shri Mataji: Russians. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Our families, Shri Mataji: All your families. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Chinese. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Communism. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Capitalism. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Liberalism. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: So-called-democracy. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Socialism. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: [INAUDIBLE]. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: [INAUDIBLE]. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: Racism. Shri Mataji: Racism. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All misidentification. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas in ourselves. Shri Mataji: All right. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All our brothers and sisters in the world. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the Sahaja Yoga centers all over the world. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Indian centers. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the badhas in the husbands and wives. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi and Shri Mataji: All the badhas that make us see each others faults. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Ones that stops us being compassionate of each other. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Ego. Yogi: Yes. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Jesus Christ. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Again. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Super-ego. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Left side. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Surrendering. Badhas preventing us surrendering. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the lethargies. Om Svaha! Yogi: We should do seven. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas stopping our new ashram being built on time. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the badhas of murmuring souls. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the badhas of the mediums. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Publicity. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the kings and heads of states. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the warmongers. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: That which stop us from being strong warriors. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: That which is stopping us from being meek and mild. Yogi: Yes, Shri Mataji: Yes. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE]. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Keeping Sahaja Yoga from [INAUDIBLE]. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Emancipation of the whole human race. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Glorifying God and his worship. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All troubling your Mother. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Now everybody has today to decide that every one of you by the time I come back must at least give Realization to ten people. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Please try. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Once more. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Give me promise minimum of ten people each are going to get realization and you are going to make Sahaja Yogis. Getting over all the badhas of marriage and all the romancing. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Family problems. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Social problems. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Political problems. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Economic problems. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: So now last, but important is the badha that comes in the progress of your own beings - your beings. May God bless you. Bolo Jai Shri Bhagavati Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Ki Jai! Shri Mataji: "From where does this come? You should say this is the Holy Breeze, this is the Holy Breeze from the Holy Ghost. All right? Good. Left Vishuddhi. Now go on, he talked to whom?" Sahaja Yogi: "[INAUDIBLE] We tried to tell them about it and." Shri Mataji: "Which people?" Sahaja Yogi: "These were the people on the meditation course." Shri Mataji: "Which meditation course?" Sahaja Yogi: That he did over a weekend Mother when he was here in London two weeks ago. Shri Mataji: "Who has, Yogi Mahajan?" Sahaja Yogi: "Yes." Shri Mataji: "He had a meditation course? Sahaja Yogi: "Yes, Mother." Shri Mataji: "And what did they say?" Sahaja Yogi: "Ahem, some of them sounded quite interested, but ah not very, and some of them whom were saying very unpleasant things." Shri Mataji: "But why, what was Yogi Mahajan doing there?" Sahaja Yogi: "Ahem, basically he gave them a sort of meditation which gets them to look at themselves." Shri Mataji: "Really? Unless until Self-Realization comes. See this is what is it they will be all possessed. You try to put in any effort, see Yogi Mahajan has not been able to see the essence of Sahaja Yoga. If you try to put in any effort you go to the left and right and naturally they'll be changed. Because they will be possessed by these devils you know. And that's what he is doing again. I'll have to rectify the whole thing. I wish I could talk to him. He doesn't understand. It is very dangerous. He himself will be in trouble. How can you look at yourself when the self is nothing? What I'm saying, when you are not connected how can you look at your self? What is the self they'll be watching? Moreover, now did he tell them to lead a righteous life and all that?" Yogi: "Yes Mother." Shri Mataji: "He told them. So are they doing it?" Yogi: "Ah, some of them. [INAUDIBLE]" Shri Mataji: "What are they talking about? I don't understand. Because, I tell you, some of them came to My program, and they just fainted. They started shivering and jumping. Horrible. GrÃ©goire was there. Who else? You were there. Do you remember? No, no, no! In Delhi. You remember in Delhi? Horrible things happened to them. Naturally they will say. They started jumping and doing all kinds of things. They were from Rajneesh and horrible. And they fainted actually there. They couldn't bear any more. So I told Yogi Mahajan you don't play with these people. What is the use? They are all ready weak people. And what is he interested in weak people for; having a problem? He'll be in trouble. He said that first he wants them to go to Rajneesh style and then bring to Sahaja Yoga. And this is it?" Yogi: "I think his idea is that, ah." Shri Mataji: "First to cleanse them." Yogi: "Yes." Shri Mataji: "That he told me that the way is in the West whole thing is very [INAUDIBLE] in there and all that. But Sahaja Yoga is the best way into it. You see for yourself. Because your vibrations will only tell you. How much time we'll have to wait now for cleansing? Like that. Sahaja Yoga; it works you are realized and start cleansing yourself automatically. They take too much time there. And maybe they will go around with this thing. How will they control their ego? First of all that's the problem in the West, ego. Now how is he going to counter it without Realization? Have you talked to him? Is he coming back?" Yogi: "Yes he came back about ten days ago. He said he wanted to see You." Shri Mataji: "Then I'll be glad to speak to him. I'll tell him that. Yes he told me this that Mother you don't know the people who come to me. But all lunatic people go to him I think." Yogi: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: "Ahh, I really tell you. He was telling me that they can never understand it, Sahaja Yoga. They have to be brought round and actually a very funny type he was telling. So what were they saying about getting on to come to Sahaja Yoga?" Yogi: "Yes, some of them said that. But some of them had [INAUDIBLE] met you [INAUDIBLE]" Shri Mataji: "What happened to them?" Yogi: "I didn't ask them very much about that." Shri Mataji: There were some who were from Rajneesh. He told them about it. He had to, because these people said he take out all these things otherwise they can't get Realization. And some of these people were very funny and they started arguing and this and that. And then we had to ask them to go. And there was one fellow Yark, from Innsbruck something, he came in. Do you remember Huli? About five, seven of them from Yark, some fellow Yark. And they wouldn't take their Realization. They said there must be some other way also apart from Kundalini. I said there is nothing. They said, "No I want to do in this way." Then I said, "Why do you come here? If you come here then you have to accept Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise you go to your guru, why do you come here?" They were quite rude. Do you remember the way? They were very rude and they just came to pick up a fight. I said, "We don't go to your guru to be destructive. Why should you come here?" Then they went on. I said, "It's not easy." I said, "We have paid for this hall and you can pay for your hall and can do what you like to do, to be destructive. It's up to you." You see a simple question if you ask them, "Do you know where is the Kundalini? Do you know is happening? Do you know what is happening to another person?" They say, "No." They do not understand. I mean you have no knowledge. How are you going to judge whether you are correct or not? There is no way out. But for Indians it is intrinsic. See because everybody talks of Kundalini. But yesterday I met another funny fellow. He told me that Kundalini starts from here. I said, "Very nice job." He said, "My guru has told me to start to meditate on here." I said, "Really?" He said something I can't understand, "You have to put all the attention here." I said, "It will break and I won't be able to put it back." I was quite amazed. And he said, "My guru has told me to concentrate on here, the Kundalini is here." I said, "Really? This is something news to me that Kundalini is here." So all such nonsense that is going on. So what to do with them, such people? And now if you say that they are not ready, you tell them something else and manage it. They are going away from reality. You have to tell them this that there are many ways to waste the time. Last Judgment has started, there is no time to be wasted. And you must tell this fellow Mahajan, that he behaves responsible. This he must understand. That he should say nothing but Sahaja Yoga. Come to Sahaja Yoga and we'll talk. Get your Realization, then we'll talk. That's what he has to do, otherwise he will be held responsible, because he has got his Realization. Do we say that you can't use the most suitable [INAUDIBLE]. But he should try giving people Realization. They get it or not, let's see. What happened to the doctor?" Yogini answers. [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: "But we have met a very nice doctor now in India and he is going to write a paper. It will be published here. Because in his presence I cured six people. I cured a cancer patient, I cured a paralysis patient, and a arthritis, and a [INAUDIBLE]. So he has wrote it down and he is going to publish all that and he is going to [INAUDIBLE] work the cures that we have done in India. Now see there is one case of leukemia. Just comes like that. [INAUDIBLE] " [There is still talking, but its subject is general and it is very [INAUDIBLE]] [SKIP] [Talking about a book GrÃ©goire is writing] Shri Mataji: Before I leave I hope your book will be ready so that I have copies to take from you. It has come out very well, but it is also for the realized souls. You see after Realization you will forget that you were not realized once upon a time and those who are not realized they are blind. You have to talk to them sensibly. You have to talk in a very different way. So I'm also trying to make a small direct statement, by which people should know what they should be carefully looking, what they should expect, what should happen to them. So that actually in India people know what to expect, you see. But here people don't know, so we have to write like that and that if you use then they will be prepared. You see these small pamphlets that we are going to write now should be really transcribed and they should be sent all over. I mean it's taking roots now. Because see the way things have happened in say France. It was tremendous you see. Because now people are finding it out that all this nonsense is on, and they have to find something for cancer. And say in France now in three places I went to everywhere there were people from seventeen [INAUDIBLE] Everywhere! And then I went to Germany everywhere there were people from fifteen to twenty-five everywhere. And then I went to Germany, also came. So everywhere I found that there is an awakening and people were trying to understand that there has to be some real knowledge and they respect that. Some people who have been to other gurus are even better because they somehow or other understand the value of Sahaja Yoga in comparison. See how much money they have been paying and how much they are doing and how many years they have been working for their ascent. [SKIP] Yogini: "Mother, I have transcribed about twelve tapes." Shri Mataji: "Really? So where are they?" Yogini: "They are still in Brighton." Shri Mataji: "Will you send them over to me I would like to take them with me to India. That is good. That will help a lot. Because they want to publish small small booklets out of that. Would be good idea. Then you can translate. Because GrÃ©goire is now writing another book, based on Advent, but in French. Because he says now I'm a very different person, back then I was not too much established because [INAUDIBLE]. Whatever I'll say I'll say with that authenticity. I said all right you do it. [SKIP] Abu has bought a very nice tape recorder. I think all of you should buy one tape recorder, because you see that is one way of growing. Because Abu told me that when he started reading and listening to them his English improved tremendously. Of course you cannot really learn English. But he said, "The vibrations are coming from there and I started growing!" It is a very good idea to have tapes and at your spare time, put them on and listen to them. And it's a very good thing - it helps a lot. That will really mature you very nicely. That is a very good idea. Yogi Mahajan did not bring any foreign person to meet you. [INAUDIBLE] You are the only first person he sent and he only brought Indian people to meet Me. Yogi: "I met some [INAUDIBLE] India and they were saying things like Sahaja Yoga is very difficult, it is not for me. Something silly like that." Shri Mataji: "Because they were fainting, na? They were fainting. Actually those two people who came in here [INAUDIBLE]. They were in such a bad manner. And then actually literally physically we had to lift them out of here. They were in such a shape. You remember? You don't remember those two? You were there. Horrible business. For them the wisest thing is to follow Rajneesh, I think. That is the wisest thing with them." But now luckily, Rajneesh has been ousted from Pune. He is ousted from there and he has taken a place. Also there he has got a land but it was cancelled by government so now he is going to catch in another place. From there all the such people are just going on strike. Because you see he cannot travel much he is suffering from one of these ahh. Yogi: "Can't stand smells." Yogi: "Asthma." Yogi: "He is suffering from being a rakshasha." Shri Mataji: "I mean he cannot travel, he cannot move out even on a, what you call a, on a train, or anything. He cannot sit next to people and he cannot smell any good things like flowers or good scent or anything he cannot smell he gets into this spasm and he starts getting, what you call, asthma. He has got allergies from all these good things. He can only go near something filthy, there he can sit comfortably." [They start talking about organizing programs and dates of events. They also mention that there will be a program in Caxton Hall next night, which is the speech	null	null	null	Navaratri Puja. Hampstead, London (UK), 19 October 1980. So you have already heard about the importance of today in the life of the Goddess. And that today is Ravana was killed and that’s how there were celebrations. It still reflects itself [unsure] As you know very well that all the satanic forces which one had to face one at the time are all back on the stage and they are to be defeated. The greatest problem of modern times is that these satanic forces have taken a very subtle form and they enter into your psyches and into your egos. And you are the saints, you are the bhaktas, you are the devotees of the Goddess. It’s a very delicate situation. When the confusion is there, when the saints are attacked, the aggressor can be removed, but the saint becomes mixed up or confused with negative forces, which is very difficult to make him see the light. And you have seen this situation very well. And the subtler you grow, the subtler they became. And they start giving you ideas which are so negative, but you cannot see them. So the problem today is very delicate. There are no absolute saints and there are no absolute bad people. Such a mixture, a confusion, that is what is Kali Yuga is, these modern times are. The only way to get rid of them is to surrender. That is the only way, there is no other way around. Because when you surrender, the spirits, the negativities, the satanic forces just disappear because they are not effective. They have no business to be there. They have no interest in a person who is surrendered to God. They cannot surrender. If they surrender they’ll also become saints. All the time to think: “What are my catches? What are my negativities?” Is not going to help you. Just surrender all these ideas that are coming to you and you’ll find that all absurd ideas will run away. This is the easiest way to get rid of your problems, is just to surrender. After all, all these horrible people, all the horrible deities, enemies, who came forward to fight the Goddess, are there as long as you nurture them. As soon as you surrender yourself, they find you of no use for themselves and they go to other half-baked people. The growth will only come, when the surrender is complete. One has to know that the powers are tremendous. You cannot conceive it as it is said by Markandeya. You cannot conceive it; it is beyond your conception. Outwardly you cannot understand, you just cannot understand. Under such circumstances, the best thing is to surrender yourself. Now with surrendering, what do you surrender? What do you surrender? It’s your ego and your super-ego and it is completely cleansed and drenched in the blessing. Because you cannot give anything, you have to receive the blessings and to receive the blessings you have to just surrender. It is so simple. The easiest way to solve all your problems is to surrender. Just say: “I surrender”. For Realized souls this should be their mantra. And you will be amazed how all your problems will vanish. Because not only that the powers are tremendous, but as you are Realized souls all the divine Forces, all the divine Deities, all the Eternal Beings, Chiranjivas, all the angels and the ganas, all of them are looking after you. But they know one thing, those who are surrendered and those who are not surrendered. You just surrender the problem, and you will be surprised that the answer will come in such a miraculous way. Just surrender. Do not take any responsibility upon yourself. Just surrender. Because how far you can go into the solution? Up to your rationality. Beyond that you are your Spirit, and the Spirit is connected to the Divine. So best is to surrender and the whole thing will show such light and such beauty and such meaning. In the modern times now the work is not the same way as it was where it is described ,when the Raudrarupa or that the Chandrarupa you see there, was there at the back. It’s a mine work, it’s a Mother, it’s a simple, loving, compassionate. For your protection, this rupa is there, but you do not see it. You are completely protected, be sure of it. And all your powers after Realization of giving Kundalini awakening, or of curing people, or of talking about Sahaja Yoga, or spreading it, any, any kind of thing that you want is all granted, is all flowing through. And as you know, that there are many saints, who have said, “Why these Sahaja Yogis, they should be granted this great boon?” So one can say it’s a whim, all right. There is one more thing. I was happy to learn that the great poet of this country, Blake, had prophesied about Me. And it is so beautifully done, that He said that England is going to be the Jerusalem. This is going to be the pilgrimage. The venue has shifted. And then He has very beautifully- have you got the thing to read? Oh, haven’t brought it. But what reading, that He has said that first the furnace will be burning in Surrey Hills, where I came first, and then He has mentioned Lambeth Vale, where we have got our Ashram, where the foundations will be laid, we have laid the foundations. And that Jerusalem is going to be in England, not in India. And you are the people responsible for this Jerusalem. Today is the day for which in India everybody is doing Puja. And all the Sahaja Yogis today, in every center there is a Puja today. And they are all thinking of you people. So you have to receive the supreme bliss today, the supreme bliss, only by surrender. Today the vibrations are tremendous. Keep all your doubts and all your nonsensical things outside. Just receive it and get it. These things are going to help you, nothing else. Because you don’t have to give Me anything, but receive it yourself. Receive it as much as you can. This Havan you know is a very good thing for reciting the name of the Goddess. Her eyes are given by fire, [Agni] as they say, and in that light, in that fire, in the name of Goddess, we awaken our Deities within us and burn away all that is wrong in these particular chakras which invoke those powers. So with devotion and understanding you have to do it. Because you are really privileged people, today, extremely privileged. Be proud of that, and do with that devotion all these things. Today is a very much better time because the Dashara and the Navaratri, both are combined at this time. And so it has worked out very well. We should do it with full devotion. I think very few people can put in the fire, but we can all do symbolically and say this. And how many names do you want to take away? Hundred-and-eight? Sahaja Yogi: Thousand. Shri Mataji: “What’s it? [Laughter] Shri Mataji: You would like to thousand? That is a good idea. If you have that much devotion it will be the best because it will about take two hours at the most, at the most. Not two hours, I think one hour if we go fast. Will you be able to say all that? Do you think it’s easy?” Sahaja Yogi: “Yes.” Shri Mataji: “One thousand names. Or else, you can give food to children. They will be tired. What do you say? What do you think? Let’s try it. In India they would do one thousand. Sahaja Yogi: Then we will do thousand. [Laughter. 12 :21 End of first track] [They start preparing for the Havan. Yogis recite 108 names of Shri Mataji.] Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of London. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of India. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Britain. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of London. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the badhas of London Sahaj Yogis. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: The Ashram. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Brighton. The badhas of Brighton. Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Brighton. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the other centers we should say. Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Cambridge. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Birmingham. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE] Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Exter. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas of Leeds. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Northampton. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: York. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] Sahaja Yogi: Preston, three times. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Liverpool. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Edinburgh. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Dublin. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Scotland. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Norland. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: Sheffield. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Norwich. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE] Sahaja Yogini: Hampton. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: The Vale of Lambeth. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: The Surrey Hills. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: France. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Switzerland. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: Greece. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Italy. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Vatican. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Catholic. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: and protestant. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Jews. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Atheists. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Arabs. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Hindus. Shri Mataji: Hindus. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: All the priesthood, Shri Mataji: All the priests. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the Mullahs. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the Sikhs. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the Seekers. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the Gurus. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the fake gurus. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the Americans. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Australians. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Africans. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Malaysians. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Mauritians. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Indians. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All British Indians. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: South Africa. Shri Mataji: South Africa. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: South Americans. Shri Mataji: South Americans. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Russians. Shri Mataji: Russians. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Our families, Shri Mataji: All your families. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Chinese. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Communism. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Capitalism. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Liberalism. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: So-called-democracy. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Socialism. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: [INAUDIBLE]. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: [INAUDIBLE]. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogini: Racism. Shri Mataji: Racism. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All misidentification. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas in ourselves. Shri Mataji: All right. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All our brothers and sisters in the world. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the Sahaja Yoga centers all over the world. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Indian centers. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the badhas in the husbands and wives. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi and Shri Mataji: All the badhas that make us see each others faults. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Ones that stops us being compassionate of each other. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: Ego. Yogi: Yes. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Jesus Christ. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Again. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Super-ego. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Left side. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Surrendering. Badhas preventing us surrendering. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the lethargies. Om Svaha! Yogi: We should do seven. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: All the badhas stopping our new ashram being built on time. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the badhas of murmuring souls. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the badhas of the mediums. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Publicity. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the kings and heads of states. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All the warmongers. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: That which stop us from being strong warriors. Om Svaha! Sahaja Yogi: That which is stopping us from being meek and mild. Yogi: Yes, Shri Mataji: Yes. Om Svaha! [INAUDIBLE]. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Keeping Sahaja Yoga from [INAUDIBLE]. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Emancipation of the whole human race. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Glorifying God and his worship. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: All troubling your Mother. Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Now everybody has today to decide that every one of you by the time I come back must at least give Realization to ten people. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Please try. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Once more. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Give me promise minimum of ten people each are going to get realization and you are going to make Sahaja Yogis. Getting over all the badhas of marriage and all the romancing. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Family problems. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Social problems. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Political problems. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: Economic problems. Om Svaha! Shri Mataji: So now last, but important is the badha that comes in the progress of your own beings - your beings. May God bless you. Bolo Jai Shri Bhagavati Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Ki Jai! Shri Mataji: "From where does this come? You should say this is the Holy Breeze, this is the Holy Breeze from the Holy Ghost. All right? Good. Left Vishuddhi. Now go on, he talked to whom?" Sahaja Yogi: "[INAUDIBLE] We tried to tell them about it and." Shri Mataji: "Which people?" Sahaja Yogi: "These were the people on the meditation course." Shri Mataji: "Which meditation course?" Sahaja Yogi: That he did over a weekend Mother when he was here in London two weeks ago. Shri Mataji: "Who has, Yogi Mahajan?" Sahaja Yogi: "Yes." Shri Mataji: "He had a meditation course? Sahaja Yogi: "Yes, Mother." Shri Mataji: "And what did they say?" Sahaja Yogi: "Ahem, some of them sounded quite interested, but ah not very, and some of them whom were saying very unpleasant things." Shri Mataji: "But why, what was Yogi Mahajan doing there?" Sahaja Yogi: "Ahem, basically he gave them a sort of meditation which gets them to look at themselves." Shri Mataji: "Really? Unless until Self-Realization comes. See this is what is it they will be all possessed. You try to put in any effort, see Yogi Mahajan has not been able to see the essence of Sahaja Yoga. If you try to put in any effort you go to the left and right and naturally they'll be changed. Because they will be possessed by these devils you know. And that's what he is doing again. I'll have to rectify the whole thing. I wish I could talk to him. He doesn't understand. It is very dangerous. He himself will be in trouble. How can you look at yourself when the self is nothing? What I'm saying, when you are not connected how can you look at your self? What is the self they'll be watching? Moreover, now did he tell them to lead a righteous life and all that?" Yogi: "Yes Mother." Shri Mataji: "He told them. So are they doing it?" Yogi: "Ah, some of them. [INAUDIBLE]" Shri Mataji: "What are they talking about? I don't understand. Because, I tell you, some of them came to My program, and they just fainted. They started shivering and jumping. Horrible. GrÃ©goire was there. Who else? You were there. Do you remember? No, no, no! In Delhi. You remember in Delhi? Horrible things happened to them. Naturally they will say. They started jumping and doing all kinds of things. They were from Rajneesh and horrible. And they fainted actually there. They couldn't bear any more. So I told Yogi Mahajan you don't play with these people. What is the use? They are all ready weak people. And what is he interested in weak people for; having a problem? He'll be in trouble. He said that first he wants them to go to Rajneesh style and then bring to Sahaja Yoga. And this is it?" Yogi: "I think his idea is that, ah." Shri Mataji: "First to cleanse them." Yogi: "Yes." Shri Mataji: "That he told me that the way is in the West whole thing is very [INAUDIBLE] in there and all that. But Sahaja Yoga is the best way into it. You see for yourself. Because your vibrations will only tell you. How much time we'll have to wait now for cleansing? Like that. Sahaja Yoga; it works you are realized and start cleansing yourself automatically. They take too much time there. And maybe they will go around with this thing. How will they control their ego? First of all that's the problem in the West, ego. Now how is he going to counter it without Realization? Have you talked to him? Is he coming back?" Yogi: "Yes he came back about ten days ago. He said he wanted to see You." Shri Mataji: "Then I'll be glad to speak to him. I'll tell him that. Yes he told me this that Mother you don't know the people who come to me. But all lunatic people go to him I think." Yogi: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: "Ahh, I really tell you. He was telling me that they can never understand it, Sahaja Yoga. They have to be brought round and actually a very funny type he was telling. So what were they saying about getting on to come to Sahaja Yoga?" Yogi: "Yes, some of them said that. But some of them had [INAUDIBLE] met you [INAUDIBLE]" Shri Mataji: "What happened to them?" Yogi: "I didn't ask them very much about that." Shri Mataji: There were some who were from Rajneesh. He told them about it. He had to, because these people said he take out all these things otherwise they can't get Realization. And some of these people were very funny and they started arguing and this and that. And then we had to ask them to go. And there was one fellow Yark, from Innsbruck something, he came in. Do you remember Huli? About five, seven of them from Yark, some fellow Yark. And they wouldn't take their Realization. They said there must be some other way also apart from Kundalini. I said there is nothing. They said, "No I want to do in this way." Then I said, "Why do you come here? If you come here then you have to accept Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise you go to your guru, why do you come here?" They were quite rude. Do you remember the way? They were very rude and they just came to pick up a fight. I said, "We don't go to your guru to be destructive. Why should you come here?" Then they went on. I said, "It's not easy." I said, "We have paid for this hall and you can pay for your hall and can do what you like to do, to be destructive. It's up to you." You see a simple question if you ask them, "Do you know where is the Kundalini? Do you know is happening? Do you know what is happening to another person?" They say, "No." They do not understand. I mean you have no knowledge. How are you going to judge whether you are correct or not? There is no way out. But for Indians it is intrinsic. See because everybody talks of Kundalini. But yesterday I met another funny fellow. He told me that Kundalini starts from here. I said, "Very nice job." He said, "My guru has told me to start to meditate on here." I said, "Really?" He said something I can't understand, "You have to put all the attention here." I said, "It will break and I won't be able to put it back." I was quite amazed. And he said, "My guru has told me to concentrate on here, the Kundalini is here." I said, "Really? This is something news to me that Kundalini is here." So all such nonsense that is going on. So what to do with them, such people? And now if you say that they are not ready, you tell them something else and manage it. They are going away from reality. You have to tell them this that there are many ways to waste the time. Last Judgment has started, there is no time to be wasted. And you must tell this fellow Mahajan, that he behaves responsible. This he must understand. That he should say nothing but Sahaja Yoga. Come to Sahaja Yoga and we'll talk. Get your Realization, then we'll talk. That's what he has to do, otherwise he will be held responsible, because he has got his Realization. Do we say that you can't use the most suitable [INAUDIBLE]. But he should try giving people Realization. They get it or not, let's see. What happened to the doctor?" Yogini answers. [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: "But we have met a very nice doctor now in India and he is going to write a paper. It will be published here. Because in his presence I cured six people. I cured a cancer patient, I cured a paralysis patient, and a arthritis, and a [INAUDIBLE]. So he has wrote it down and he is going to publish all that and he is going to [INAUDIBLE] work the cures that we have done in India. Now see there is one case of leukemia. Just comes like that. [INAUDIBLE] " [There is still talking, but its subject is general and it is very [INAUDIBLE]] [SKIP] [Talking about a book GrÃ©goire is writing] Shri Mataji: Before I leave I hope your book will be ready so that I have copies to take from you. It has come out very well, but it is also for the realized souls. You see after Realization you will forget that you were not realized once upon a time and those who are not realized they are blind. You have to talk to them sensibly. You have to talk in a very different way. So I'm also trying to make a small direct statement, by which people should know what they should be carefully looking, what they should expect, what should happen to them. So that actually in India people know what to expect, you see. But here people don't know, so we have to write like that and that if you use then they will be prepared. You see these small pamphlets that we are going to write now should be really transcribed and they should be sent all over. I mean it's taking roots now. Because see the way things have happened in say France. It was tremendous you see. Because now people are finding it out that all this nonsense is on, and they have to find something for cancer. And say in France now in three places I went to everywhere there were people from seventeen [INAUDIBLE] Everywhere! And then I went to Germany everywhere there were people from fifteen to twenty-five everywhere. And then I went to Germany, also came. So everywhere I found that there is an awakening and people were trying to understand that there has to be some real knowledge and they respect that. Some people who have been to other gurus are even better because they somehow or other understand the value of Sahaja Yoga in comparison. See how much money they have been paying and how much they are doing and how many years they have been working for their ascent. [SKIP] Yogini: "Mother, I have transcribed about twelve tapes." Shri Mataji: "Really? So where are they?" Yogini: "They are still in Brighton." Shri Mataji: "Will you send them over to me I would like to take them with me to India. That is good. That will help a lot. Because they want to publish small small booklets out of that. Would be good idea. Then you can translate. Because GrÃ©goire is now writing another book, based on Advent, but in French. Because he says now I'm a very different person, back then I was not too much established because [INAUDIBLE]. Whatever I'll say I'll say with that authenticity. I said all right you do it. [SKIP] Abu has bought a very nice tape recorder. I think all of you should buy one tape recorder, because you see that is one way of growing. Because Abu told me that when he started reading and listening to them his English improved tremendously. Of course you cannot really learn English. But he said, "The vibrations are coming from there and I started growing!" It is a very good idea to have tapes and at your spare time, put them on and listen to them. And it's a very good thing - it helps a lot. That will really mature you very nicely. That is a very good idea. Yogi Mahajan did not bring any foreign person to meet you. [INAUDIBLE] You are the only first person he sent and he only brought Indian people to meet Me. Yogi: "I met some [INAUDIBLE] India and they were saying things like Sahaja Yoga is very difficult, it is not for me. Something silly like that." Shri Mataji: "Because they were fainting, na? They were fainting. Actually those two people who came in here [INAUDIBLE]. They were in such a bad manner. And then actually literally physically we had to lift them out of here. They were in such a shape. You remember? You don't remember those two? You were there. Horrible business. For them the wisest thing is to follow Rajneesh, I think. That is the wisest thing with them." But now luckily, Rajneesh has been ousted from Pune. He is ousted from there and he has taken a place. Also there he has got a land but it was cancelled by government so now he is going to catch in another place. From there all the such people are just going on strike. Because you see he cannot travel much he is suffering from one of these ahh. Yogi: "Can't stand smells." Yogi: "Asthma." Yogi: "He is suffering from being a rakshasha." Shri Mataji: "I mean he cannot travel, he cannot move out even on a, what you call a, on a train, or anything. He cannot sit next to people and he cannot smell any good things like flowers or good scent or anything he cannot smell he gets into this spasm and he starts getting, what you call, asthma. He has got allergies from all these good things. He can only go near something filthy, there he can sit comfortably." [They start talking about organizing programs and dates of events. They also mention that there will be a program in Caxton Hall next night, which is the speech
10/19/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=11194	Talk to Sahaja Yogis: Spreading Sahaja Yoga in Europe	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	90	Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Spreading Sahaja Yoga in Europe So today I called this meeting because, you see, big announcement of Gregoire getting married. He's been very sweet to his bride. I liked it. He was very gentle and nice and really took it in the proper sense. I know Rajesh also came with his fiance. He is getting married in August 12th. And the another thing is about how to develop England and Europe together. In England a very substantial force is there no doubt. But we have to think about how to propagate. Now I have thought of one or two things which are lacking in Sahaja Yoga in here, I think. One of them is we have no publicity done. We have not been able to get people for publicity. Now this Times fellow; before I leave, we have to do something about it. You can take it, note it down, it would be better. Note it. (Sahaja yogis talking) [NOT CLEAR] better be written down some points, will be better. Behind Me, paper and pencil, you take. (Sahaja yogis talking) So what is that you're taking? It's better to write it down in short. Agnya? Alright. Everybody is catching left Agnya. Look at her, with the hands she is trying to... I mean cover her feet or if you have socks, better. It is getting blue with that. Hmm...it's cold. o, first this gentleman, what was his name? Mascar or whatever it was, to be contacted. And there is a doctor in Geneva who has taken lot of interest. His name is Dr. Masca. In his presence, I cured about 5 people. So, he sent back to [UNCLEAR] deliberately in My presence. I said alright. Now he is going to study those things. So you tell Gregoire to get after him that he goes and sees these people and they should try to convince the people whom I've cured that by giving something in writing they will be helping other people to get cured of Sahaja Yoga. See this is the only way we can really approach these gross people. So, he is going to give an article starting with this, that he saw this miracle, then he saw the raising of the Kundalini, he saw the, I mean the kind of a article you would like to publish if you'd give him a little lead to Gregoire, on these lines. You have to prepare on what lines we are going to publish the thing. We have of course concrete examples you can give, he being a doctor, you see. It will have an effect and that we should publish it in England, because he was also practicing here. He has a house in this merrily ground road or somewhere. So, we can publish in his name. So one of the advantages would be that he being a sort of an authorized person, you can publish this article about Sahaja Yoga in his name. And we can contact Mr. Mascar. Then, in case we are successful, we can have a press conference or something, before I leave, if possible. Or when I come back, I mean we have to work it out in such a way that we also have a press conference later on. For publicity, see what we have found that this poster business works out wonders. So, when I come back, we have to think on those lines of posters. And we can get very good posters done in India, if you want and can get them by the ship, but if they arrive after four years, don't blame Me. Find out all the methods by which you can publish. Now, Gregoire's book, we can take to some publisher and ask him if he would like to publish. Then what about Don's book? That has to be ready before I leave, so we'll get it published in India. Yen, so what's happening now the little dolly baby? She knows her mother. She knows her mother very well. So, when we have, I mean we should all sit down and find out how we can publish about or sort of advertise about Sahaja Yoga. You see today even ordinary thing like punk crop or something you know that goes into the eyes of these people, because they create a controversy. Now, you can start a lecture CDs on the false gurus. You people can go ahead with it. You can go on talking about this false guru is like this, that false guru is like this and nowadays another thing they started is magnetism. They put a magnetism and with the photograph of the guru. And they turn the magnet in a different way, you see, and then the bhoot comes in. I mean so many ways they will use, I don't know this is one of the latest I have seen. So, you see all this. Then there is another thing is that they get the photographs of the terrestrial or some sort of a beings you see out of reach, more surprising! The God, Who is on this earth are My eyes, and [as if?] (beautiful?) the photograph is taken from here so the nose is like that and there is a mike in front. I don't know from where they got this idea. The lady showed Me, so I said you better write to them. They can find out, I mean look at, what point they are! This is so subtle. And also for this I could say that [Peter?] she has to go around. So I will first give you the way it should be done is you write to Marie. She wants to [UNCLEAR] to go there, Marie. In Switzerland, everybody wants to know about [TM?]. And they said they can arrange lectures for you. But there is one doctor in Germany, who is very anxious to meet you. He is the head, sort of a head in [Trigo?] or someplace. Yes. This doctor, his name I forgot. And he says, 'No, no there are 20 names and this and that' - but I told you. But he has got his Realization surprisingly despite the head of a nonsense. I tell you he is so gracious, Sahaja Yoga is so [NOT CLEAR]. Such a man like that, who has been in Sahaja Yoga for years. Ten years or so, is the head of that thing there, he got Realization all right. (Sahaja Yogi talks) [NOT CLEAR] (forgetting?) But they will all write to... Gregoire is going to write to you. Thomas. Thomas was so sweet. His wife was, wife means his friend was quite opposing Sahaja Yoga, and, but still he organized on his own and very, very sweet he was and I mean he didn't have much money but still we arranged all that, but the rest of it was so sweet he did. And, very sensible. He is a very good man. And another was, another was Jack, you remember Jack? The one who came with his wife, who would not give her name. But this girl from Sydney did not meet Me. (Sahaja Yogi talking). Huh? Oh! That's it! Carrie. Sahaja Yogi: Another Carrie". Shri Mataji: Yeah. Australia is doing very well. Everyday I get a letter from there saying that, "I've got Realization, I've got Realization," and it's a very good way because you see they are writing about what is happening to this. So we have in writing, everything. Now, this is very important is to go down there. And, one day I'll sit down with you and tell you what are the points to be covered with these people. They can't believe it! They can't believe it! They are so brain-washed, they can't just believe it. And they said, you see all the head is divided into sixteen parts, I tell you. Horrible Agnya and they don't want to believe it! They said, "No it is doing good to us, it has done good to so many people," and this and that. I really, I can't imagine! But I said there is somebody like this will come and talk to you. They have taken your name, but I wish I had not given the name, because then they will ring up the main head and there they might tell them that some (brain wave?). But in any case you must go and see this man. And then we got two other TM people there, who came to the program, of whom Thomas was rather worried, because he was also in TM. But when these two people came in, they told Me that he is a devil incarnate. I said all right. So, there it started working out. You see then, Thomas got back his confidence also. So, the whole thing turned out very well. I think so, there was something. [Sahaja yogi talking: blue suits and red tie and...] [NOT CLEAR] Blue suit was not there, but something he was little elegantly dressed I should say, quite nicely dressed. But not exactly blue suits, but elegantly dressed people. May be they might be Initiator for [NOT CLEAR] but they said that he was the incarnation of devil. They had no doubts. So, this is what, so now you have to work it out. Now Spain people, out of only their phone numbers, I will get their addresses. And Portugal. All these things are to be looked after. Portugal, Spain, France, Nice. Nice, we've got a very good center in Nice. But now, I think Marie is looking after, Marie has been really spending lot of money, she did a lot. She did a lot, I must say. And, she is going to look after Nice. But still you should find out about it, what's happening. So, we've got Portugal, then we've got Spain, Madrid, then we've got Nice. And the addresses of all these people should be brought in. Today I'll give you the addresses of California people. Addresses of California is coming. So, Pradhan may be coming here. Then what else? Then we've got Paris, Lille. Write it down all these places: Lille, Paris, then, I went to Geneva, then Lausanne, then where did I go next to that? Zurich, Bern. Bern, Bern, Zurich and then Basel. Basel. And then to this Freiburg. Freiburg, where our Rustam has done some job. How are you? How is Mr.(?) I don't see him at all. (Sahaja yogi talking) He is alright now? Upset? So then, what did I say? Then Bonn, Freiburg, then Bonn. But you have to immediately write to Thomas, find out from him what is he doing about it. He wants somebody to go to Bonn, Freiburg. So we have to arrange all these things, you see. There is one lady who is going to Nigeria form there. She might work out it. So, get the list of people. All the list of these people and their addresses. Portugal, I don't know if you have written to them, Portugal people. What have you? (Sahaja yogini talking) But you wrote? (Yogini talking) They sent a letter to this girl. They have sent her a letter. So better, write to her also so that form a complete circuit with them. So, this is the she is unhappy about something is to be put on the other side I think . She is on one side she has been too much. Little move her to this side. So, now for England. Our great poet Blake has already... Did you read that Blake's thing? Wonderful! Just imagine! What a prophecy! What a prophecy! So correct - and foundation so laid. See actually, he is seeing, just imagine how great they are in the laws of divine! You see that he prophesized, but for other people, you people don't understand the value of all these things that you're doing. And we should see the profoundness of the whole thing - how profound it is, how we are handling the whole situation ourselves, I mean you are not understanding and realizing how deep it is and what it means. We are taking it still in a stride I think. Imagine him to write all these things and all the prophecies he has made, now at least that will give I think some boost to London Sahaja Yogis. How? That they will realize their importance and that what important, I mean Jerusalem means the pilgrimages. That means Jerusalem is now going to shift from there to here. So what a great thing! Great prophet. He was a prophet. You see, I picked him out. Gavin, you remember? I went to see all his works. I mean, I picked him out. I didn't know all this that he has done it. I didn't know about this poem also this Jerusalem one. And I think Warren has given Me one book but I read a little bit here and there not much. But I'm now going to read all that. Look at him. What a poet you had. Prophet, a real prophet he was. What a prophecy! He might be [NOT CLEAR]. So precise. So precise, imagine! And beautifully described! Really beautifully described. This is, who has done this? Jeremy has found out, is it? Sahaja yogi talking: Jeremy and then .[NOT CLEAR] and then Jeremy found this thing. Shri Mataji: One has to go into his works to find out what he has prophesized more. Sahaja Yogi: He got the whole, complete and also he got the complete work... Shri Mataji: Great! Jerusalem. All right. So now for Jerusalem, what is to be done? That we have to find out. That is to be little bit worked out in various methods, you see? Gregoire has certain ideas. He said that we should materially improve ourselves first of all. Little bit. For presentation it's important he said that. Gregoire, you see, he is very practical. He said, the presentation should be, if not blue suits at least there should be some proper English suits, that should be worn because an Englishman like a hippy won't be accepted anywhere. An Englishman to be dressed up properly is important. So, that is something you find out what thing proper is. But need not be absolutely one-color stuff but everybody should try to. For presentation, when you go to a, say, a meeting or something, it should appear that it belonged to old, old style English traditional person. See, so people take you seriously, which was Gregoire's very good idea because for all these functions, he told all the people in Switzerland that they must dressup properly. And then how to behave in a program and all that, he is very particular you see? For a newcomer, as he said to Me that for a newcomer, what matters is your outside. They don't know about your inside and how you behave and all that. He said that, "Mother you make a little outline for that and discuss with all the London people also." How to work out the outside behavior of Sahaja Yogis when they go to a meeting or hold a meeting or work it out in a way. Because it should look like one group and working out together. One group is the main point is, you see? And everybody should support each other in the presence of others. See otherwise it looks as if some blind people are trying to lead other blind. It should appear that you people have achieved something and that you are all in one tune with each other or there is no quarrel between you and there is no indignity. Because if others, when they see you in this manner, they get frightened and they run away. So, he said that for that I have to make some outline, but I would like to have suggestions from you people and also on top of that, I hope you'll make it ready by this week. All of you to give Me suggestions as to what sort of things we should have, which will look presentable to people. Like you see, they expect something of an Englishman and if that is not there, then they tell, "These are some of the craps," you see. So, Gregoire's idea was correct that they should appear in this way and I think you should think over it. What should be done for. And secondly, we have to find out, see the places where I visited and try to allocate places to every Sahaja yogi, who would like to look at those places. Now what happens to people who come and go away? What is the reason? You should find out. Go and talk to them. You must make a study of that. Why do they come to Sahaja Yoga and then disappear? One of the reasons, as these people discussed was this, that, people are very naive. They don't know what to expect. So, Don's book is also after realization, you see? There should be a small introduction of Sahaja Yoga according to them a small little introduction to Sahaja Yoga, what to expect, what to find. I think, one of My speeches is there which I gave you. We can sit down and chart out an introduction to Sahaja Yoga. What are we to expect, you see? And a very direct thing should be there. And, I mean for advertising, say for example you want to have a meeting somewhere, you can even have pamphlets, you can even distribute and things that people can come and intensively we should work out in every place. Then it will grow faster. Pune is doing very good work, Pune. Tremendous. Apart from that, Bombay is doing very well. Rajesh was saying it is going very well in Maharashtra. But the only difference between Maharashtra and other places is this: that they know about it beforehand. They know Kundalini, they know what to expect, you see. This is what is missing. So if you can give it in writing, what to expect out of Self Realization, and very directly - the points. First what to expect, what is Self Realization? What is Self? Very, very directly, you see, absolutely. So that anybody who wants to read can see that. And then he should see that what to expect and all. If we can prepare something like that, then you prepare a sort of a, what you call a framework and then we can fill it up. But should not be complicated, simple and very direct. Because even Don's book is after Realization. Before Realization, that book is bit too much. We can do it in small, very small way. There is no need to question and answer sort of thing we can do it very direct. Now, after Realization, people go away, you see. Now for that also we have to understand why. Why people go and what should we do to stop them? Some of them whom I talked to, you see, why they went away is that some say there is no love between Sahaja Yogis. This is a very important point. They do not talk to each other with love. You see this is the fellow from Rajneesh, he was, and he said in Rajneesh there is lot of love. Well, you see it is filth, you know there, but doesn't matter. To him outsider he sees everybody, you see, very friendly and nice and this and that. So, the kind of dryness and arrogance or we can say fighting and all that nonsense should be avoided. So, all this we have to chart it out, but this is one of the reasons. Secondly, they said that some of the Sahaja Yogis talk in such a manner as if they are great, you see. They have achieved a lot and very egoistically they talk. And that repels people. They should talk in a softer way. That might be hinting at Gregoire, maybe, I don't know. But I must say Gregoire's shouting helps other way around. I mean many people become very alert. But his style is different you know. So everybody should not take to the same style. You can have different styles of approaching people. It's like Gavin and Gregoire both go hand-in-hand very well. I mean if they both of them approach somebody, then the left and right both are put together. Such combinations should be found out. You see where, the great thing is the friendship of Sahaja Yogis, you see. The great friendship must be developed. That friendship I don't know, should be like, Ram said that Pradhan is coming everybody felt very happy, you see. Why? After all Pradhan is such an old man, 75-year old man coming here. But you feel so close to him, why? Because you are born of the same Mother and you are doing such a tremendous work and all these fellow feelings should come like a soldier fights with [INAUDIBLE] others are also fighting the same way. But that is not there. You see it is more artificial. Sort of... I think that is what is... huh? Sahaja Yogi : Everyone's attention is on very petty things all the time. Shri Mataji : I think so. Sahaja Yogi : There is not sort of enthusiasm and fire. Sort of, you know, energy [NOT CLEAR] It's all whose turn is it to do this and I mean. Shri Mataji: That, that should be stopped completely. That's what I was saying. Why not get a maid servant for the Ashram? Better get a maid and pay herthan to worry about it. This is something that will pull you down so much. I tell you so much. Hopeless. Sahaja Yogi: Also I think there is a tendency to become a kind of hypochondriac, Mother. People become obsessed with their catches, you know, and they sit there and just worrying about what catch they have got and all this, and they won't do anything for Sahaja yoga, you know. They just worry about themselves all the time. Shri Mataji: See? Now, for this I've told Harry that you should not worry - now leave your hand, just sit, still I will look after it. You should not worry about your catches at all. The more you worry, the more the, they will be there. Now for example, you are very subtle. Gavin knows this point very well. As you were subtler and they were subtler also. Very clever. They would like to come in the program to disturb Me. I'll give one of the examples. That in the program, they'll come just to give a feeling that you're unwell. You start behaving like that. So the other people, who are there they say, see they are unwell why should we be here? Then they start clearing yourself out like that. See all these things go against good publicity. Then their attention is on your, 'I'm catching here I'm catching there'. The more you do that, the more they will be there. It's all not catching anywhere. They will run away. See, they are there just to create a problem for Me and for Sahaja Yoga. So, better tell your mind that, "You get out from here. We don't want any help. Had enough of you." If you do that it will work out. Or you should, best thing is to say, 'Surrender'. Surrender is the only way. Anything comes, "I'll surrender myself to Mother, finished. All these things will go away. That's the best way. Then you start seeing [?] very clearly, which I've been talking to Harry. That he would used to worry like, "Where should I put my attention?" I said you just don't worry just say, 'I surrender everything to you Mother'. Finished. Don't try to do anything. Don't try to take out. Just surrender. They'll all run away. Otherwise they will be there creating a nuisance out of you. You see the trouble is the whole society is individualistic, you see. So to get out of that individualistic society into a real social being, in the sense that it has to be a real Sahaja Yogi collective being, then one has to remember not to pay any attention to yourself. What is so important? [NOT CLEAR] who am I? Sahaja Yogi: This is what I've been saying on Friday night.. It tends to be that people come in and they just think about themselves and they work on themselves without going to someone and saying, 'Can I help you? Can I do this for you?' Shri Mataji: No, No. That is also another subtler work is that I'll help you. I'll do this for you. Because this is again the missionary part of it. I must tell you because Christians should be aware of it. What these missionary business of helping you. Whom are you helping? You are helping yourself. The more you are with others, the more you are enjoying yourself. Sahaja Yogi : Being collective. Shri Mataji Just be collective. Just do it because you like it, you love it and by which you are the winner not the other. You are the ones who are going to gain not the others. The more you [you will do it?] the more you [will gain?] But, [it's becoming?] subtler and subtler. Like one would say that I am doing it because I become more powerful. What am I? Because after all ascent is the point, isn't it? You have to ascend. How far you have ascended in Sahaja yoga, how far your vibrations are alright, how far you have gone deeper is the main point. And that can only be achieved, only be achieved through surrender, nothing else. Nothing else. Before and after. Putting your attention, complete surrender. That will work out. That will absolutely neutralize all these things [UNCLEAR hypochondriac ...?] just put all the troubles onto Me. Even to this point [INAUDIBLE] like he, Harry, I've been studying you people through him very well. That, just now I talked to Harry and I told him that how subtle it becomes that, he's a very nice person, good-hearted, everything. But the bhooths are not. So, today I talked to Maharaj, this fellow from Africa. And in his talk, I discovered, he said, I was talking about a doctor, and he told Me a sentence, "Mother, he is judging you". And that's how he got hot and I said, "That's it." Anything that judges Me is wrong, like, "She's doing this because She loves us." Even this point. Who are you? You see the subtleness, the subtle point behind this. Can you see it? That's what I told him. See Hanumana gets angry on this point. Hanumana, absolutely hundred percent. Who are you? Why should She love you? And because She loves us that's why you must accept what am I saying to you. What's that? Hello? Just open the door. Who else has come? [Sahaja yogini talking] Hello your friend is coming is it? Who is coming? She is trying to talk to Me. She doesn't like when I don't pay any attention to her. All right. Hello. How are you? It is nice to see you. Sit down. Sit down. So, how it becomes subtler and subtler, one should see. And one should face it. And when the subtle ways, I must say there is a difference between the senior Sahaja Yogis and this thing. You just see this. There is a understanding, there is. Anything should be done from the Sahaja Yoga point of view. Are we helping Sahaja Yoga or not. I think maturity comes with age. The concern should be Sahaja Yoga. And even if you, I mean I said you must take up jobs. You must earn. Have to work. You have to improve your styles and things. Somewhat, but for Sahaja Yoga. It's to be done for Sahaja Yoga. That's not the aim. Aim is Sahaja Yoga. That's the main point is. That Sahaja Yoga should be placed as the highest thing and then only it will work out, because all these subtle things will disappear. Otherwise these subtle things swallow you. And they come as [UNCLEAR], you see, and they will give you ideas and things and it will start losing sight of it, because you must know that you have been prophesized long time back. And you are doing such a tremendous work. It's such a great work you are doing. I wish you could realize it, because even that understanding is very subtle. Then all other things you just throw away. That Sahaja Yoga itself is self established and have this self-esteem thing. It does not need from you. Only thing by taking it up yourself, you improve in your status. Like that. Now see you understand. You're doing no favor to Sahaja Yoga or to Mataji Nirmala Devi. You're doing favor to yourself. Now, this point is the point I tell you. All right? So you surrender. Surrendering is the only way. There is no other way. And that's how these problems can be solved. Now, so how do we do it? [UNCLEAR] Good, good, come along, come along. How are you? Good. Who else is coming from Cambridge? John will be coming. Dalla would come, I'm sure. [Yogi talking] Not yet arrived. Hmm. How to do it? By not doing it [is?]. By surrender. Then you do everything. You see, when you become dynamic if you are not becoming dynamic that means you are a gone case. You see the judgment point. [Yogi talking. Everyone laughing] You can't say that now. You think so? I don't think. I've been tracing you people all over. Of course sometimes I used to get [UNCLEAR] I must say the people in this country have only one problem, is lethargy. [UNCLEAR] get active also, they can be only bathroom cleaners. This is the problem. So, the inactivity can be dangerous. But I'm saying of non-action, I'm not saying of inactivity, where the feeling that I'm doing something is not there. You have to be active, extremely active, but say, "I'm not doing it," surrendered. If you are lethargic, then you are no good. I mean you are absolutely [UNCLEAR], tamasik, left side. Well, if you are active and you know that it's all surrendered, "I'm not doing it". Then inactivity, is not non-action. Non-action is very different. Like the sun comes and gives you light, it just emits. It is non-action. It doesn't say, "I'm doing it". You see the difference between the two. It should be clearly understood. Sahaja Yogi : [There is a feeling?] Mother that sometimes there is a tendency to feel that if you do something in an active way, that you may get a catch in the left or right heart ... and sense of and there is a tendency then not to do anything since we go closer of your... [UNCLEAR] worried of catching or doing something ... And that's the hypochondria, "I'm catching on left heart so I can't do anything." Shri Mataji Sahaja Yoga is not for such cowards. They are useless, they better get out. You see, it's meant for people, who are real warriors, you see, we need soldiers. Sahaja Yogi : We must fight now. We got to get out and fight. Shri Mataji They will go out of circulation. Don't you worry. All such people. Very soon. So, those who are afraid of catching they go out of circulation. Here we are not here to look after your chakras. We are here to work for Sahaja Yoga. When you start working for Sahaja Yoga, you are automatically cured and geared up. That's what it is. Sahaja yogi : Donna(?) said something appropriate when we were talking. She said one has to look after little ones [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji She is working for all of you left, right everywhere. That's a game. That's a game she's playing. The game [UNCLEAR] and smiling too. Sahaja Yogi : This is what we must realize that they work very hard. Shri Mataji Extremely, extremely hard. And they scream and shout and everything Yogi: It is quite obvious that when someone comes in, you got a bad catch, because the working-out starts immediately with things. Shri Mataji What things? Better you learn from someone. I should be the one, who is catching the most. Yeah. What [UNCLEAR] may be now, hmm, may be that is, I don't know. You see it's the mathematics, which cannot be calculated easily. It's the thing you go five steps forward, three steps backwards, eight steps forward, four steps backwards, ten steps forward, eleven steps backwards. And where do you reach? What is the speed? That's what England is. That everybody of the whole is progressing. No doubt. Slow and steady. We'll win the race. Yogi : I mean the wind of change came in the last week when this girl arrived from Australia I mean it was really some [UNCLEAR] so positive and everything else like that. Shri Mataji: They are the children of convicts, you see? So, so fresh. Anik, there is another one. Her name was Anik. She met us in [UNCLEAR]. She came all the way to meet Marie. She went round and took all the posters. You see Marie as usual product of England. So she said, 'Mother', she didn't tell Me beforehand. She had put the advertisement in the paper. But, she didn't find out	null	null	null	Talk to Sahaja Yogis, Spreading Sahaja Yoga in Europe So today I called this meeting because, you see, big announcement of Gregoire getting married. He's been very sweet to his bride. I liked it. He was very gentle and nice and really took it in the proper sense. I know Rajesh also came with his fiance. He is getting married in August 12th. And the another thing is about how to develop England and Europe together. In England a very substantial force is there no doubt. But we have to think about how to propagate. Now I have thought of one or two things which are lacking in Sahaja Yoga in here, I think. One of them is we have no publicity done. We have not been able to get people for publicity. Now this Times fellow; before I leave, we have to do something about it. You can take it, note it down, it would be better. Note it. (Sahaja yogis talking) [NOT CLEAR] better be written down some points, will be better. Behind Me, paper and pencil, you take. (Sahaja yogis talking) So what is that you're taking? It's better to write it down in short. Agnya? Alright. Everybody is catching left Agnya. Look at her, with the hands she is trying to... I mean cover her feet or if you have socks, better. It is getting blue with that. Hmm...it's cold. o, first this gentleman, what was his name? Mascar or whatever it was, to be contacted. And there is a doctor in Geneva who has taken lot of interest. His name is Dr. Masca. In his presence, I cured about 5 people. So, he sent back to [UNCLEAR] deliberately in My presence. I said alright. Now he is going to study those things. So you tell Gregoire to get after him that he goes and sees these people and they should try to convince the people whom I've cured that by giving something in writing they will be helping other people to get cured of Sahaja Yoga. See this is the only way we can really approach these gross people. So, he is going to give an article starting with this, that he saw this miracle, then he saw the raising of the Kundalini, he saw the, I mean the kind of a article you would like to publish if you'd give him a little lead to Gregoire, on these lines. You have to prepare on what lines we are going to publish the thing. We have of course concrete examples you can give, he being a doctor, you see. It will have an effect and that we should publish it in England, because he was also practicing here. He has a house in this merrily ground road or somewhere. So, we can publish in his name. So one of the advantages would be that he being a sort of an authorized person, you can publish this article about Sahaja Yoga in his name. And we can contact Mr. Mascar. Then, in case we are successful, we can have a press conference or something, before I leave, if possible. Or when I come back, I mean we have to work it out in such a way that we also have a press conference later on. For publicity, see what we have found that this poster business works out wonders. So, when I come back, we have to think on those lines of posters. And we can get very good posters done in India, if you want and can get them by the ship, but if they arrive after four years, don't blame Me. Find out all the methods by which you can publish. Now, Gregoire's book, we can take to some publisher and ask him if he would like to publish. Then what about Don's book? That has to be ready before I leave, so we'll get it published in India. Yen, so what's happening now the little dolly baby? She knows her mother. She knows her mother very well. So, when we have, I mean we should all sit down and find out how we can publish about or sort of advertise about Sahaja Yoga. You see today even ordinary thing like punk crop or something you know that goes into the eyes of these people, because they create a controversy. Now, you can start a lecture CDs on the false gurus. You people can go ahead with it. You can go on talking about this false guru is like this, that false guru is like this and nowadays another thing they started is magnetism. They put a magnetism and with the photograph of the guru. And they turn the magnet in a different way, you see, and then the bhoot comes in. I mean so many ways they will use, I don't know this is one of the latest I have seen. So, you see all this. Then there is another thing is that they get the photographs of the terrestrial or some sort of a beings you see out of reach, more surprising! The God, Who is on this earth are My eyes, and [as if?] (beautiful?) the photograph is taken from here so the nose is like that and there is a mike in front. I don't know from where they got this idea. The lady showed Me, so I said you better write to them. They can find out, I mean look at, what point they are! This is so subtle. And also for this I could say that [Peter?] she has to go around. So I will first give you the way it should be done is you write to Marie. She wants to [UNCLEAR] to go there, Marie. In Switzerland, everybody wants to know about [TM?]. And they said they can arrange lectures for you. But there is one doctor in Germany, who is very anxious to meet you. He is the head, sort of a head in [Trigo?] or someplace. Yes. This doctor, his name I forgot. And he says, 'No, no there are 20 names and this and that' - but I told you. But he has got his Realization surprisingly despite the head of a nonsense. I tell you he is so gracious, Sahaja Yoga is so [NOT CLEAR]. Such a man like that, who has been in Sahaja Yoga for years. Ten years or so, is the head of that thing there, he got Realization all right. (Sahaja Yogi talks) [NOT CLEAR] (forgetting?) But they will all write to... Gregoire is going to write to you. Thomas. Thomas was so sweet. His wife was, wife means his friend was quite opposing Sahaja Yoga, and, but still he organized on his own and very, very sweet he was and I mean he didn't have much money but still we arranged all that, but the rest of it was so sweet he did. And, very sensible. He is a very good man. And another was, another was Jack, you remember Jack? The one who came with his wife, who would not give her name. But this girl from Sydney did not meet Me. (Sahaja Yogi talking). Huh? Oh! That's it! Carrie. Sahaja Yogi: Another Carrie". Shri Mataji: Yeah. Australia is doing very well. Everyday I get a letter from there saying that, "I've got Realization, I've got Realization," and it's a very good way because you see they are writing about what is happening to this. So we have in writing, everything. Now, this is very important is to go down there. And, one day I'll sit down with you and tell you what are the points to be covered with these people. They can't believe it! They can't believe it! They are so brain-washed, they can't just believe it. And they said, you see all the head is divided into sixteen parts, I tell you. Horrible Agnya and they don't want to believe it! They said, "No it is doing good to us, it has done good to so many people," and this and that. I really, I can't imagine! But I said there is somebody like this will come and talk to you. They have taken your name, but I wish I had not given the name, because then they will ring up the main head and there they might tell them that some (brain wave?). But in any case you must go and see this man. And then we got two other TM people there, who came to the program, of whom Thomas was rather worried, because he was also in TM. But when these two people came in, they told Me that he is a devil incarnate. I said all right. So, there it started working out. You see then, Thomas got back his confidence also. So, the whole thing turned out very well. I think so, there was something. [Sahaja yogi talking: blue suits and red tie and...] [NOT CLEAR] Blue suit was not there, but something he was little elegantly dressed I should say, quite nicely dressed. But not exactly blue suits, but elegantly dressed people. May be they might be Initiator for [NOT CLEAR] but they said that he was the incarnation of devil. They had no doubts. So, this is what, so now you have to work it out. Now Spain people, out of only their phone numbers, I will get their addresses. And Portugal. All these things are to be looked after. Portugal, Spain, France, Nice. Nice, we've got a very good center in Nice. But now, I think Marie is looking after, Marie has been really spending lot of money, she did a lot. She did a lot, I must say. And, she is going to look after Nice. But still you should find out about it, what's happening. So, we've got Portugal, then we've got Spain, Madrid, then we've got Nice. And the addresses of all these people should be brought in. Today I'll give you the addresses of California people. Addresses of California is coming. So, Pradhan may be coming here. Then what else? Then we've got Paris, Lille. Write it down all these places: Lille, Paris, then, I went to Geneva, then Lausanne, then where did I go next to that? Zurich, Bern. Bern, Bern, Zurich and then Basel. Basel. And then to this Freiburg. Freiburg, where our Rustam has done some job. How are you? How is Mr.(?) I don't see him at all. (Sahaja yogi talking) He is alright now? Upset? So then, what did I say? Then Bonn, Freiburg, then Bonn. But you have to immediately write to Thomas, find out from him what is he doing about it. He wants somebody to go to Bonn, Freiburg. So we have to arrange all these things, you see. There is one lady who is going to Nigeria form there. She might work out it. So, get the list of people. All the list of these people and their addresses. Portugal, I don't know if you have written to them, Portugal people. What have you? (Sahaja yogini talking) But you wrote? (Yogini talking) They sent a letter to this girl. They have sent her a letter. So better, write to her also so that form a complete circuit with them. So, this is the she is unhappy about something is to be put on the other side I think . She is on one side she has been too much. Little move her to this side. So, now for England. Our great poet Blake has already... Did you read that Blake's thing? Wonderful! Just imagine! What a prophecy! What a prophecy! So correct - and foundation so laid. See actually, he is seeing, just imagine how great they are in the laws of divine! You see that he prophesized, but for other people, you people don't understand the value of all these things that you're doing. And we should see the profoundness of the whole thing - how profound it is, how we are handling the whole situation ourselves, I mean you are not understanding and realizing how deep it is and what it means. We are taking it still in a stride I think. Imagine him to write all these things and all the prophecies he has made, now at least that will give I think some boost to London Sahaja Yogis. How? That they will realize their importance and that what important, I mean Jerusalem means the pilgrimages. That means Jerusalem is now going to shift from there to here. So what a great thing! Great prophet. He was a prophet. You see, I picked him out. Gavin, you remember? I went to see all his works. I mean, I picked him out. I didn't know all this that he has done it. I didn't know about this poem also this Jerusalem one. And I think Warren has given Me one book but I read a little bit here and there not much. But I'm now going to read all that. Look at him. What a poet you had. Prophet, a real prophet he was. What a prophecy! He might be [NOT CLEAR]. So precise. So precise, imagine! And beautifully described! Really beautifully described. This is, who has done this? Jeremy has found out, is it? Sahaja yogi talking: Jeremy and then .[NOT CLEAR] and then Jeremy found this thing. Shri Mataji: One has to go into his works to find out what he has prophesized more. Sahaja Yogi: He got the whole, complete and also he got the complete work... Shri Mataji: Great! Jerusalem. All right. So now for Jerusalem, what is to be done? That we have to find out. That is to be little bit worked out in various methods, you see? Gregoire has certain ideas. He said that we should materially improve ourselves first of all. Little bit. For presentation it's important he said that. Gregoire, you see, he is very practical. He said, the presentation should be, if not blue suits at least there should be some proper English suits, that should be worn because an Englishman like a hippy won't be accepted anywhere. An Englishman to be dressed up properly is important. So, that is something you find out what thing proper is. But need not be absolutely one-color stuff but everybody should try to. For presentation, when you go to a, say, a meeting or something, it should appear that it belonged to old, old style English traditional person. See, so people take you seriously, which was Gregoire's very good idea because for all these functions, he told all the people in Switzerland that they must dressup properly. And then how to behave in a program and all that, he is very particular you see? For a newcomer, as he said to Me that for a newcomer, what matters is your outside. They don't know about your inside and how you behave and all that. He said that, "Mother you make a little outline for that and discuss with all the London people also." How to work out the outside behavior of Sahaja Yogis when they go to a meeting or hold a meeting or work it out in a way. Because it should look like one group and working out together. One group is the main point is, you see? And everybody should support each other in the presence of others. See otherwise it looks as if some blind people are trying to lead other blind. It should appear that you people have achieved something and that you are all in one tune with each other or there is no quarrel between you and there is no indignity. Because if others, when they see you in this manner, they get frightened and they run away. So, he said that for that I have to make some outline, but I would like to have suggestions from you people and also on top of that, I hope you'll make it ready by this week. All of you to give Me suggestions as to what sort of things we should have, which will look presentable to people. Like you see, they expect something of an Englishman and if that is not there, then they tell, "These are some of the craps," you see. So, Gregoire's idea was correct that they should appear in this way and I think you should think over it. What should be done for. And secondly, we have to find out, see the places where I visited and try to allocate places to every Sahaja yogi, who would like to look at those places. Now what happens to people who come and go away? What is the reason? You should find out. Go and talk to them. You must make a study of that. Why do they come to Sahaja Yoga and then disappear? One of the reasons, as these people discussed was this, that, people are very naive. They don't know what to expect. So, Don's book is also after realization, you see? There should be a small introduction of Sahaja Yoga according to them a small little introduction to Sahaja Yoga, what to expect, what to find. I think, one of My speeches is there which I gave you. We can sit down and chart out an introduction to Sahaja Yoga. What are we to expect, you see? And a very direct thing should be there. And, I mean for advertising, say for example you want to have a meeting somewhere, you can even have pamphlets, you can even distribute and things that people can come and intensively we should work out in every place. Then it will grow faster. Pune is doing very good work, Pune. Tremendous. Apart from that, Bombay is doing very well. Rajesh was saying it is going very well in Maharashtra. But the only difference between Maharashtra and other places is this: that they know about it beforehand. They know Kundalini, they know what to expect, you see. This is what is missing. So if you can give it in writing, what to expect out of Self Realization, and very directly - the points. First what to expect, what is Self Realization? What is Self? Very, very directly, you see, absolutely. So that anybody who wants to read can see that. And then he should see that what to expect and all. If we can prepare something like that, then you prepare a sort of a, what you call a framework and then we can fill it up. But should not be complicated, simple and very direct. Because even Don's book is after Realization. Before Realization, that book is bit too much. We can do it in small, very small way. There is no need to question and answer sort of thing we can do it very direct. Now, after Realization, people go away, you see. Now for that also we have to understand why. Why people go and what should we do to stop them? Some of them whom I talked to, you see, why they went away is that some say there is no love between Sahaja Yogis. This is a very important point. They do not talk to each other with love. You see this is the fellow from Rajneesh, he was, and he said in Rajneesh there is lot of love. Well, you see it is filth, you know there, but doesn't matter. To him outsider he sees everybody, you see, very friendly and nice and this and that. So, the kind of dryness and arrogance or we can say fighting and all that nonsense should be avoided. So, all this we have to chart it out, but this is one of the reasons. Secondly, they said that some of the Sahaja Yogis talk in such a manner as if they are great, you see. They have achieved a lot and very egoistically they talk. And that repels people. They should talk in a softer way. That might be hinting at Gregoire, maybe, I don't know. But I must say Gregoire's shouting helps other way around. I mean many people become very alert. But his style is different you know. So everybody should not take to the same style. You can have different styles of approaching people. It's like Gavin and Gregoire both go hand-in-hand very well. I mean if they both of them approach somebody, then the left and right both are put together. Such combinations should be found out. You see where, the great thing is the friendship of Sahaja Yogis, you see. The great friendship must be developed. That friendship I don't know, should be like, Ram said that Pradhan is coming everybody felt very happy, you see. Why? After all Pradhan is such an old man, 75-year old man coming here. But you feel so close to him, why? Because you are born of the same Mother and you are doing such a tremendous work and all these fellow feelings should come like a soldier fights with [INAUDIBLE] others are also fighting the same way. But that is not there. You see it is more artificial. Sort of... I think that is what is... huh? Sahaja Yogi : Everyone's attention is on very petty things all the time. Shri Mataji : I think so. Sahaja Yogi : There is not sort of enthusiasm and fire. Sort of, you know, energy [NOT CLEAR] It's all whose turn is it to do this and I mean. Shri Mataji: That, that should be stopped completely. That's what I was saying. Why not get a maid servant for the Ashram? Better get a maid and pay herthan to worry about it. This is something that will pull you down so much. I tell you so much. Hopeless. Sahaja Yogi: Also I think there is a tendency to become a kind of hypochondriac, Mother. People become obsessed with their catches, you know, and they sit there and just worrying about what catch they have got and all this, and they won't do anything for Sahaja yoga, you know. They just worry about themselves all the time. Shri Mataji: See? Now, for this I've told Harry that you should not worry - now leave your hand, just sit, still I will look after it. You should not worry about your catches at all. The more you worry, the more the, they will be there. Now for example, you are very subtle. Gavin knows this point very well. As you were subtler and they were subtler also. Very clever. They would like to come in the program to disturb Me. I'll give one of the examples. That in the program, they'll come just to give a feeling that you're unwell. You start behaving like that. So the other people, who are there they say, see they are unwell why should we be here? Then they start clearing yourself out like that. See all these things go against good publicity. Then their attention is on your, 'I'm catching here I'm catching there'. The more you do that, the more they will be there. It's all not catching anywhere. They will run away. See, they are there just to create a problem for Me and for Sahaja Yoga. So, better tell your mind that, "You get out from here. We don't want any help. Had enough of you." If you do that it will work out. Or you should, best thing is to say, 'Surrender'. Surrender is the only way. Anything comes, "I'll surrender myself to Mother, finished. All these things will go away. That's the best way. Then you start seeing [?] very clearly, which I've been talking to Harry. That he would used to worry like, "Where should I put my attention?" I said you just don't worry just say, 'I surrender everything to you Mother'. Finished. Don't try to do anything. Don't try to take out. Just surrender. They'll all run away. Otherwise they will be there creating a nuisance out of you. You see the trouble is the whole society is individualistic, you see. So to get out of that individualistic society into a real social being, in the sense that it has to be a real Sahaja Yogi collective being, then one has to remember not to pay any attention to yourself. What is so important? [NOT CLEAR] who am I? Sahaja Yogi: This is what I've been saying on Friday night.. It tends to be that people come in and they just think about themselves and they work on themselves without going to someone and saying, 'Can I help you? Can I do this for you?' Shri Mataji: No, No. That is also another subtler work is that I'll help you. I'll do this for you. Because this is again the missionary part of it. I must tell you because Christians should be aware of it. What these missionary business of helping you. Whom are you helping? You are helping yourself. The more you are with others, the more you are enjoying yourself. Sahaja Yogi : Being collective. Shri Mataji Just be collective. Just do it because you like it, you love it and by which you are the winner not the other. You are the ones who are going to gain not the others. The more you [you will do it?] the more you [will gain?] But, [it's becoming?] subtler and subtler. Like one would say that I am doing it because I become more powerful. What am I? Because after all ascent is the point, isn't it? You have to ascend. How far you have ascended in Sahaja yoga, how far your vibrations are alright, how far you have gone deeper is the main point. And that can only be achieved, only be achieved through surrender, nothing else. Nothing else. Before and after. Putting your attention, complete surrender. That will work out. That will absolutely neutralize all these things [UNCLEAR hypochondriac ...?] just put all the troubles onto Me. Even to this point [INAUDIBLE] like he, Harry, I've been studying you people through him very well. That, just now I talked to Harry and I told him that how subtle it becomes that, he's a very nice person, good-hearted, everything. But the bhooths are not. So, today I talked to Maharaj, this fellow from Africa. And in his talk, I discovered, he said, I was talking about a doctor, and he told Me a sentence, "Mother, he is judging you". And that's how he got hot and I said, "That's it." Anything that judges Me is wrong, like, "She's doing this because She loves us." Even this point. Who are you? You see the subtleness, the subtle point behind this. Can you see it? That's what I told him. See Hanumana gets angry on this point. Hanumana, absolutely hundred percent. Who are you? Why should She love you? And because She loves us that's why you must accept what am I saying to you. What's that? Hello? Just open the door. Who else has come? [Sahaja yogini talking] Hello your friend is coming is it? Who is coming? She is trying to talk to Me. She doesn't like when I don't pay any attention to her. All right. Hello. How are you? It is nice to see you. Sit down. Sit down. So, how it becomes subtler and subtler, one should see. And one should face it. And when the subtle ways, I must say there is a difference between the senior Sahaja Yogis and this thing. You just see this. There is a understanding, there is. Anything should be done from the Sahaja Yoga point of view. Are we helping Sahaja Yoga or not. I think maturity comes with age. The concern should be Sahaja Yoga. And even if you, I mean I said you must take up jobs. You must earn. Have to work. You have to improve your styles and things. Somewhat, but for Sahaja Yoga. It's to be done for Sahaja Yoga. That's not the aim. Aim is Sahaja Yoga. That's the main point is. That Sahaja Yoga should be placed as the highest thing and then only it will work out, because all these subtle things will disappear. Otherwise these subtle things swallow you. And they come as [UNCLEAR], you see, and they will give you ideas and things and it will start losing sight of it, because you must know that you have been prophesized long time back. And you are doing such a tremendous work. It's such a great work you are doing. I wish you could realize it, because even that understanding is very subtle. Then all other things you just throw away. That Sahaja Yoga itself is self established and have this self-esteem thing. It does not need from you. Only thing by taking it up yourself, you improve in your status. Like that. Now see you understand. You're doing no favor to Sahaja Yoga or to Mataji Nirmala Devi. You're doing favor to yourself. Now, this point is the point I tell you. All right? So you surrender. Surrendering is the only way. There is no other way. And that's how these problems can be solved. Now, so how do we do it? [UNCLEAR] Good, good, come along, come along. How are you? Good. Who else is coming from Cambridge? John will be coming. Dalla would come, I'm sure. [Yogi talking] Not yet arrived. Hmm. How to do it? By not doing it [is?]. By surrender. Then you do everything. You see, when you become dynamic if you are not becoming dynamic that means you are a gone case. You see the judgment point. [Yogi talking. Everyone laughing] You can't say that now. You think so? I don't think. I've been tracing you people all over. Of course sometimes I used to get [UNCLEAR] I must say the people in this country have only one problem, is lethargy. [UNCLEAR] get active also, they can be only bathroom cleaners. This is the problem. So, the inactivity can be dangerous. But I'm saying of non-action, I'm not saying of inactivity, where the feeling that I'm doing something is not there. You have to be active, extremely active, but say, "I'm not doing it," surrendered. If you are lethargic, then you are no good. I mean you are absolutely [UNCLEAR], tamasik, left side. Well, if you are active and you know that it's all surrendered, "I'm not doing it". Then inactivity, is not non-action. Non-action is very different. Like the sun comes and gives you light, it just emits. It is non-action. It doesn't say, "I'm doing it". You see the difference between the two. It should be clearly understood. Sahaja Yogi : [There is a feeling?] Mother that sometimes there is a tendency to feel that if you do something in an active way, that you may get a catch in the left or right heart ... and sense of and there is a tendency then not to do anything since we go closer of your... [UNCLEAR] worried of catching or doing something ... And that's the hypochondria, "I'm catching on left heart so I can't do anything." Shri Mataji Sahaja Yoga is not for such cowards. They are useless, they better get out. You see, it's meant for people, who are real warriors, you see, we need soldiers. Sahaja Yogi : We must fight now. We got to get out and fight. Shri Mataji They will go out of circulation. Don't you worry. All such people. Very soon. So, those who are afraid of catching they go out of circulation. Here we are not here to look after your chakras. We are here to work for Sahaja Yoga. When you start working for Sahaja Yoga, you are automatically cured and geared up. That's what it is. Sahaja yogi : Donna(?) said something appropriate when we were talking. She said one has to look after little ones [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji She is working for all of you left, right everywhere. That's a game. That's a game she's playing. The game [UNCLEAR] and smiling too. Sahaja Yogi : This is what we must realize that they work very hard. Shri Mataji Extremely, extremely hard. And they scream and shout and everything Yogi: It is quite obvious that when someone comes in, you got a bad catch, because the working-out starts immediately with things. Shri Mataji What things? Better you learn from someone. I should be the one, who is catching the most. Yeah. What [UNCLEAR] may be now, hmm, may be that is, I don't know. You see it's the mathematics, which cannot be calculated easily. It's the thing you go five steps forward, three steps backwards, eight steps forward, four steps backwards, ten steps forward, eleven steps backwards. And where do you reach? What is the speed? That's what England is. That everybody of the whole is progressing. No doubt. Slow and steady. We'll win the race. Yogi : I mean the wind of change came in the last week when this girl arrived from Australia I mean it was really some [UNCLEAR] so positive and everything else like that. Shri Mataji: They are the children of convicts, you see? So, so fresh. Anik, there is another one. Her name was Anik. She met us in [UNCLEAR]. She came all the way to meet Marie. She went round and took all the posters. You see Marie as usual product of England. So she said, 'Mother', she didn't tell Me beforehand. She had put the advertisement in the paper. But, she didn't find out
10/20/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6708	The Way of Kundalini	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	90	"The Way of Kundalini", Caxton Hall, London (UK), 20 October 1980. It is said that Sahaja Yoga is the culmination of all the yogas. But it is a very contradictory statement because Yoga means union with God. Then how can it be culminating? That means the first thing we have to know is the meaning of Yoga is the union with God. If union with God is the thing, then how can it be culminating? I mean that is what it is. So others are not yogas. They are maybe stepping stones. Till you have not met Me you have not met Me. Before that whatever you have done. For example you got into the car, then you got into the train. You came all over here. Still it is not Yoga. Till you have not received your Self-Realisation it is not Yoga. So all other yogas should not be called as yogas as far as union with God is concerned. So what is the meaning of word Yoga in other sense, like Raja Yoga they call it and other yogas they have got. Like Manana Yoga, means meditation Yoga. And other systems, many other systems they try to preach about. Like Hatha Yoga. Then I saw today some more names about it, Sanyasa Yoga. So Yoga has become sort of a tale for all the names that have something to do with God I believe. But it has no meaning. Because if the culmination is Sahaja Yoga, then other yogas have no meaning. So what is the meaning of Yoga? It has double meaning. One is the union with God. Another is the technique, the kausala, the technique. So the first part is of course Sahaja Yoga, is union with God. The other part is of technique. Now if you see that union with God is the culmination and if that is the goal there cannot be any technique, because it is a spontaneous happening. We spontaneously become the higher personality. Like a chick in the egg becomes the bird. Or we can say the potential egg becomes the chick. Now what does he do? What is the technique? There is no technique. No technique for the egg at all. Now what is the technique the mother does? Nothing. The mother bird also just gives the warmth of her love to the egg and spontaneously it becomes a chick. Because in the egg it is built in to be a chick. Only thing is that she gives the warmth. There is no technique. Does a chicken know any techniques? Can chicken read books? Can she go to a Guru to pay money? Can she do these things? If she wants to transform a little egg into a little chick, she only knows instinctively that she has to sit on the eggs with care, instinctively. And to give warmth to the egg. And spontaneously it is done. It is all done already by nature by God. So she cannot do anything about it. Once you understand the right meaning of Yoga, that it is technique as well as it is union with God. So one can understand when people talk of technique, what do they talk of? It is all imaginary blah blah blah. Supposing I want to become a guru and I am an Indian, or say Mexican or someone like that. I can come and tell you "Oh, you can get your Self-Realisation, but first you have to cleanse yourself." Now how do you cleanse? Water of Life should be there to cleanse you. Bible has talked about Water of Life. But where is Water of Life? How are you going to cleanse yourself? We must ask question to ourselves. How are we going to cleanse ourselves? How did Christ cleanse them? Just by touch or looking at them. Finished. What technique did He use? Did He make them sit for hours together in padmasana or did He make them stand on their heads? Did He? He just touched them. And how did He cleanse? Because He was an authority on that. He was the power of cleansing. He was that pure Himself, that anybody whom He touched got purified. So there cannot be any technique as far as cleansing is concerned. That is why it is said that you must find out a proper guru, a real guru. Because in the company of a real guru, your attention starts moving out from useless frivolous things and you start thinking of your Spirit. Because your guru is spiritually endowed. You see the lifestyle of the guru. You see how the guru is. You see how he behaves. How compassionate he is. How patient he is. How unassuming he is. How simple he is. And you start thinking that I should be like him and there must be something about him. The way he is so kind and so patient and so peaceful and so loving. This should impress you. Not how much money he has got, how many castles he has bought, how many houses he has got, how many kingdoms he rules. The kings and the queens have nothing to do with religion and God. They have nothing to do whatsoever. They have to look after the kingdom. The man who lives with his own earnings, like Christ was a Son of a carpenter. So He used to live like a carpenters son. He did not buy any castles or any big place or anything, and He used to go to a mount and give sermons to people. In the same way we have to see that when people talk of technique we should also find out what sort of personalities they are. First of all such a person is to be compassionate. At least on the face there should be some light of love. All kinds of dullards, hypocrites, swindlers and criminals can become gurus by your naive understanding of spirituality. They have to be very very simple people, easily approachable, knowledgeable and extremely humble and simple. Now the technique people are talking now, as I've told you there cannot be any technique for Realisation. And if there is any technique it starts after Realisation. For example there is no technique to put these lights on. It is the simplest thing. Just press the button, is there. It is all built in, done. But if you have to correct it or if it has now gone out of order, there is a technique. Also there could be a technique, once the power flows how to manoeuvre it, how to take it around. If you have to decorate say this room with small small bulbs, then you must know how to connect it with the mains. But if there is no electricity what technique are you going to do? First of all there should be that power flowing in you. It would be something like a bankrupt planning a trip to America. It is that absurd. First of all if the power is not there what technique can you have? It is as simple as that. But because we are supposed to be intellectuals, we like some sort of a difficult stuff, you see we don't want to eat like this we want to eat from this side. We must have a technique to eat our food like that, and if there is a simple method we think it is very silly; How can that be? It has to be absolutely horrifyingly difficult and complicated. Otherwise an intellectual is not satisfied. It must be something that you normally do not know. For example pulling your hair, normally you don't do. Somebody might say that. Or somebody might say that take out all you clothes and start jumping. This is a technique. For that you immediately get nine hundred Englishmen running up to the point, paying five pounds each and jumping. And we have got. But when you say there is no technique, people are not happy. Because there is no satisfaction of the ego. "What are we doing about it?" Now what did we do to become human beings? Did we cut our tails? We just became. It is built in, Sahaja. It is spontaneous. It is within you. You do not have to go anywhere to find it. It is within you. Everybody has said the same thing. They were all false people. Now these new people have come up and giving you ideas. They cannot embrace anything that has been handed over to us from generations. They cannot see the unity of all the religions. They cannot see anything. They have to earn their own living. Not living, their own comforts and their own palaces. So they have to take out something new. Have you heard anywhere in any religion which is established, that you take out your clothes and jump, you get to God, I mean every animal does that. And how does it go in to the logic of intellectuals? I don't know what is happening with the intellectuals. The intellect has become a fermented nonsense I think now. Because how can you accept such nonsense, absolute nonsense. That you pay for it and get yourself hurt. I don't mind. You do what you like. You can be absurd, foolish, stupid, do what you like. But you hurt yourself. Your inner being is hurt by these things. Hurt beyond repair. It can be a very dangerous game these people are playing because they mesmerise. If they would not mesmerise you, you would not believe them. So we have to understand that there cannot be any technique if it has something to do with God. It has to work out spontaneously, just by a touch, a glance is sufficient, if the person is that pure. What are you purifying yourself for? Why? Like many people believe that we must suffer. Who has told you this? You mean to say God created you, His own children on this Earth. Filled you up with all His bounties and then now He wants you to suffer. Is He mad? Will any father do that? Is there any father alive on this earth who wants his children to suffer? Christ crucified Himself for your sake. Actually it was your stupidity which crucified Him, that you could not recognise Him at all. Now why do you want to suffer for that? All these self destroying, society destroying, nations destroying ideas cannot come from God because He is constructing you to be the citizens of His beautiful Kingdom. Why will He destroy you? Why will He make you suffer? It has to be a beautiful thing that should happen. Now I want to tell you about this technique today because it is coming to my notice many a time that people are of two types. Some of them ask me that you must give us a technique. So many people have suggested to me, some pale white Sahaja Yogis, that "Mother unless and until they get some sort of a technique, people wont do Sahaja Yoga." But I say what is the technique? Am I to tell them lies? So now a new type of people have arrived. Who are now saying that this is one of the techniques. I mean you cannot satisfy human beings, if they want to escape, good. They will escape. They'll find out some method which their intellect soups up to escape. Intellect has a special quality that can also cheat you very well. Now you see within us these are the things that are already present. What do we have? First of all we have this power of desire. This is expressed outside as left sympathetic nervous system in the gross. Then another we have got here the power of action. Which expresses its self as right side sympathetic. When you go into too much of action, ego is speaking. When you too much go into inactivity and lethargic then super ego comes. [INAUDIBLE] that when you try to do too much of this, or you go to people who are mesmerisers and things like that. Or you take to drugs and take certain types. And you take to certain methods or so-called techniques, then you can move from here, which is the subconscious area within yourself, into collective subconscious. Now this is another power, which deals with the action. Over activity or any such techniques will give you activity can move you from this to this side, into collective supraconscious. And down below here is the hell. Now so what have you got? One side is collective subconscious falling down, where all the sly nonsensical people are still being together as they are being punished to the absolute. On the right-hand side we have got supraconscious very ambitious people, and Hitler and all that sitting down there to give ideas "I am this, I am that, I am". Down below you have got Hell where you can go very fast. But the Kundalini doesn't just go down. To think of it, you don't need much technique. So in the centre we have got this path of our evolution, by which we have arrived at the point where we are human beings. So you are a human being. On two sides you have got these collective horrible, dead things. Down below is the hell and I don't know what you can do put this down. That also you have to plan out well, otherwise you will miss it. There are now people who are trying the level past Ganesha. See there is a technique for that also perhaps. Now when this day they want to give you a technique for today. They can use your ego or super-ego, because of only two things. The main thing is that Kundalini which gives you Self-Realisation is sleeping nicely. You cannot have it at all. You cannot touch Her. So what do they do? Well they basically. They say that to awaken Kundalini will give you a [INAUDIBLE]. Actually what they do is to use your ego to suppress the super-ego, if it is too much. Or they do is to suppress your ego with your super-ego. Now say the psychologists. I'm sorry if there are any. With due respects. What do they do? They try to develop your ego to suppress your super-ego. Like they'll pamper if there is an alcoholic, technique is yours. They put the one before him or maybe the whiskey that he likes very much, and tell him and condition him by telling him that you are so powerful. You are not going to drink. Just one drink. Now what does it maintain? Where does it go, all this value? It goes into the balloon of Mr. Ego here, which suppresses this ego, super-ego, and they feel better. You do not drink. All right you do not drink, but then you start beating your wife. Because what is the escape? Because if you give up super-ego, then you, they'll have your ego. Now the other technique would be to develop your super-ego by mesmerising. There are many people, I have seen, who are taking to mesmerism very seriously. I mean in the medicine also. I'm sorry to say there are people of medicine here. They are mesmerising people for their own comfort without understanding what they are up to. Both things are unauthorised. Means if you mesmerise people you put them into super-ego. So a person who is very violent, he becomes subdued. A sadist have become masochist. I mean they've [INAUDIBLE] subdued the violence. So all these techniques are very temporary and will pass out. Because one side develops, the other doesn't. We have to see this point clearly, because Sahaja Yoga is not meant for such people who want to go into all this surplus and all this kind of actions. It is a very simple thing, that there is a Kundalini based in the triangular bone, which is to be awakened, which passes through all these centres, pierces through this and gives you a real balance. The other technique is that you get somebody from church. I mean it makes Me laugh when I see all that. Very seriously they'll get some water. Bring the child, put it on the head and baptise. How can you? What sort of thing is it? It is just mechanical. It is so much mechanical, people are discovering it so rapidly that all over the places I find the churches are [INAUDIBLE]. Because there is no living work there. It has to be living experience itself. It's a mix up. Mix this and this together. It is that absurd. That the person who may go to church every day, there is no transformation within him. At the most through ego they might control his super-ego. Or through super-ego he might manage. But living thing is here, which has to go to your heart. And in any living growth people move in stages, in the same way in Sahaja Yoga also. But for some people it can be very fast growth, very, very fast. If you are complicated. If there are problems. If there is something wrong with you chakras, you are being misidentified, you have habits which you cannot overcome. It takes some time. It doesn't matter. After all what have we been doing so far? So the growth takes place. In the first stage when the Kundalini rises She touches all these chakras and She indicates all the fingers of the Sahaja Yogis, what is the problem. Then the Sahaja Yogi, because he is connected and the power is flowing from his hands, he can correct. he can try to manoeuvre the Kundalini , which is awakened. Takes it out from here and when it pierces through the fontanel bone area. You can see it with you naked eyes, and you have seen all of you, most of you, if the Kundalini passes, She goes out and pierces. She also looks after other organs and this and that. Now when She goes up also Kundalini falls down. It is a common experience of Sahaja Yogis that [A-SIDE END] Six steps forward, six steps backward, then four steps forward, two steps backward, then eleven steps forward and twelve steps back. Where do you reach? Because of these seven chakras and their permutations and combinations within. Now within western mind is a big machinery here going on. They are very speedy people you see. They never arrive at a point. After, always before. That's why making a point to come late. They'll arrive... suppose the plane has to go - leave by eleven o'clock. At seven o'clock they'll start saying "Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go" like a jockey, you know. And they are on the horse already and the horse is saying: "Let's go, let's go, let's go". By the time they reach the airport they find that there's no plane going today. All such things happen. And because of these western ideas and things, a big problem arises which we should bring solution [INAUDIBLE]. When the Kundalini rises - here, She ends up on the Sahasrara. Now within us are three very important problems; one is heart, other is liver and the third is the brain. So when the Kundalini first rises you should see it clearly, She goes to the brain and not to the heart. So the enlightenment of the brain or awareness we can say, awareness. So the truth is gone in the brain but not in the heart. First stage is that clearly that the Kundalini goes there. Now on top of the head here is the spirit sitting down. The Kundalini has to go and meet the spirit, the seat of the spirit. But the seat is there the spirit actually is in heart. So the information goes to the spirit that Kundalini has risen and every information goes to the brain. And then the spirit starts emitting these vibrations. Now after that it is very necessary to keep it still in your brain. Because the sound [INAUDIBLE] of Kundalini has arrived and as soon as you go out of the hall you start thinking of about it. The Kundalini goes down actually [INAUDIBLE]. So I've told people that for the first seven days mantra should be "Don't think". Because when the Kundalini goes down, She is hurt. I've seen some Kundalinis [INAUDIBLE] they have been [INAUDIBLE] really, really terrible. Horrible, and some of them I've seen big, big bhoots and all the time pain in head, suggests the helplessness. Because a seeker who is the only child of this Mother Kundalini, She's your individual mother, does not understand that I should allow Her to work it out and take over and leave everything to Her hands. They get Realisation, the vibrations start to emit. "Oh", they think, "Oh how can it be?" How can that be so simple? How can it work out that way? This is, there is no big thing. Nothing, started cool breeze coming. So what is so great about, what is so Kundalini about? And we don't believe it. For them it suits better that every Sunday in their tradition, go to church and come back. At least you have to buy your shoes and your dresses. Must wear nicely and go to church. Here nothing. You must sit down and get truth. And if you hear Me, My, [INAUDIBLE] what a worst part. Like you have to stand on your head thirty-five times. You have to wash your hands hundred-and-five times or hundred-and-eight times, maybe fully. You have to pull out your hair and not to go to a barber. We have such cults you'd be surprised, that just pulling out their hair morning till evening. They are not supposed to go to the barber. Imagine by going to the barber is God going to be angry with you? What is the justification for all these silly things you are doing in the name of God? It's a happening inside, it has nothing to do with outside. This is one of the reasons why Kundalini falls down. It is very common. Because it goes into three stages. First stage is when the Kundalini catches, whatever may be your problems. What ever may be the conditions of your chakras. Whatever may be your previous lives, past lives. She forgets the past and says give them the Realisation [INAUDIBLE]. Let the power flourish. Like whatever may be the condition of these gurus. First the light comes with us a little; you show that there is light, gradually. But if you start thinking this after that. The wobbling of these two, ego and superego. She thinks they are not interested in Me; She just pulls down. This is one of the reasons. Second thing is our attention, is. It is covered in this portion as I told you and covers Nabhi as you rise above like this. The attention is there. So the attention is also there just kind of tent pulled out here. Now if you are attached to, say some guru, or somebody who has taken to the left or to the right and you are like that. Then because of the force of these gurus you are pulled down. Poor Kundalini what can She do? She is again pulled down. There are so many subtle things in you, which start working and She is pulled down. And once Kundalini is not there, people cannot have any feeling in Sahaja Yoga. They also forget they felt the cool breeze. They do not want to find out what was it like, what does it mean, what it says. Because they got it free. If they had paid for it, they would have at least worried and found out, are we befooled. Because supposing they have to file a suit, or sue Me in the court, they would have to find out at least, what I was telling. But there is no such a thing, because you came in your own freedom, you got your Realisation, you lost and finished. Nobody is going to ask Me questions, so it is finished. Imagine Realisation you get; the last thing, the epitome of happiness, every happiness in life, the highest that you are seeking. For ages you have been searching. You have been going mad in to the hills and dales and in the caves. You have been asking for it in your prayers in everyway. That you see even in Zeus. Because of the evolutions [INAUDIBLE] and these ego activities try to crush the Kundalini, She goes down and then to raise it as a temper. But She doesn't want it. She thinks let's give it to you in the next life. She feels insulted and hurt. And that is how many people come to Sahaja Yoga, they drop out. It is their loss. Not the loss of Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is established by itself. It is your loss. That is what is to be told to people. Then second thing is about the attention I must tell you. As it is in the West we have problems about attention, much more than here. In India we have some other attentions, here some other attentions. Let's deal with the western mind. But we can say that Indians is going in the shocks, say in Oxford circus. He would be going mad with things, plastics, this that he would be buying there. Spending lot of his time in plastics. I mean they carried plastics than nylons. That makes you laugh, but what makes them laugh also we should understand is that the way you are going in the string. You go to the market and you'll look at women. I mean you are not going to purchase women; you are going to purchase a thing. And by the time you finish your shopping you find you have not bought what you wanted to buy. Woman will go buy, say shirt for the man and they'll end up with the spectacle. Because attention is so wobbly, and conditioning of this too much in the West also because of your media. The way people talk about women and sex and this and that, is bit too much. What is there to talk about it? I just don't understand. I mean are you going to go ruined? You talk so much and produce nothing. You have such a minus a growth in this country, that no wonder you are afraid of the immigrants because they are having a proper growth, while you people are not producing anything. You don't want to produce and then you cannot. In Switzerland I was surprised, out of five only one family can produce. You are ruining your attention completely, and this attention is the only thing which we can little bit control. There is no technique about it. On this point I would say, that in places, eastern places, even in China also. Now I don't know. Americans have gone there. I don't know what they are going to do there. But in China also I found that the attention is controlled. Chitta Nirodha is to control your attention. It is said that you should not see which your mind tends you all the time to see. There might be some bhoot; there might be some possession which might be there. Keep out your eyes. This is basically a very wise attitude, but somehow it missed in the West from out. I don't know how. The attention becomes such big nonsense. But this is a very big problem, that our attention is bored. It has come to us because of our circumstances, our atmosphere, our style in thinking. People don't understand what it is and how it affects us and how it is dangerous to have this kind of attention. The liver sustains our attention, imagine. How can your liver be all right if your attention is going there, there, there like that? Just think of it. It has to be in a position from where you can control your attention. Imagine a pilot is sitting in the plane and his attention here and there. What will happen to the plane? In everything we talk of concentration, but not as far as our heart is concerned. They will fall in love hundred times and I don't know how many hearts they have got the way they are. It's a very sad thing. It's a very sad thing that has happened to us, by which our attention is so disturbed. That's why we are so speedy. We don't know. We are wobbly. We are nervous. We are tense. This is the thing is most important, is our attention. That's the only thing we could have get all right. But either it is drawn by materialism by material things, plastics and things like I told your, or by other nonsense; women and other nonsensical things. That's how our esteem gets very much reduced to some sort of an attention. I mean so frivolous that you can't imagine. I've seen even people who in very big positions, I mean very big, supposed to be kings, queens and things like that. Their attention is like that. Our queen was so dignified when she went down to Rome and her attention would not go to the nonsensical thing. I must say she is a real Lakshmi Yogi, such a dignified guru. Her attention would not go. It was most surprising. When I read it I was surprised that she was not affected by all this nonsense. I mean it's vomiting, maybe. Is horrible. But we must develop that within us, that it is nauseating. You have a feeling of nauseous about it. Like in India, you see, there are seekers who clean all the bathrooms and things like that, they never get the bad smells, you know. It's like that. We have lost that sensitivity of chastity and that's how this attention is very much ruined. So only thing that we could have done is to put this attention right. It was done with Judaism. Then Moses came in, He talked of our ten commandments. That was the time; I mean thousands of years back. He talked like let us first of all establish our attention. That what He said, that's what we have to do. Then Christ came, but the attention was to be fixed. I don't know how far He was successful. I have not seen any Jew who has got his attention properly fixed. So Judaism failed completely and the scriptures who came out the Old Testament to the New Testament are much worse. Because they started thinking that now we are very physical. Christ came for us. We are the chosen ones. So we just ask Christ to put the attention for us and we do what we like. Very nice ideas. But you do not respect your attention at all, just spoil everything. Which was the basis. Which was established thousands of years back, in the Old Testament. Even earlier in the Vedic scriptures of India. But somehow in India they know that. I don't know they have still kept it. Perhaps we were so much invaded by others that we wanted to preserve it and see that it works out. That was the only way we could sustain ourselves. So we have been able to, at least know, that this kind of frittering away of attention is not good. Every Indian knows, he may do anything worse than what you are doing, he know he is doing a wrong thing. The idea of sin, or perhaps say the unrighteous thing. But not now. I don't know. Within ten, fifteen years it may just go out. Now this attention that is within us is the one which is to be taken to the spirit. Spirit has to be dawned into our attention. Our attention is to be enlightened by that spirit. Because spirit is enjoying by itself. The enjoyment of spirit should come into our awareness, because our attention is enlightened by the spirit. It has happened to many of you Sahaja Yogis. This is the point. That's why our attention is to be controlled and only way is that when Kundalini rises, She attracts attention of the people and She gives the concentration. Because as soon as this attention is fed up with that quarrel, you start collecting all that attention as is frittered away like a sari as I told you, and whole thing goes up. But still you may fall down if your attention is not properly fixed then. It is like fixing a tent, you see. Have you done it any time? It is a headache. Sometimes I find that, I find that [INAUDIBLE] My then I try to fix this properly here somehow, and you try to pull this and the whole thing will fall down. So the central part has to be fixed properly. That is very important for Sahaja Yogis. And when they come to you for the first time, you have to tell them that it is just an initiation. You should tell them you are Self-Realised, either they will be bloated with "Ah, I'm Self-Realised, I'm this that." Don't know. All kind of things our [INAUDIBLE] nonsense is no good but. But initiation takes place in the centres of [INAUDIBLE] takes place. She touches your fontanel bone. [INAUDIBLE] may also go down. And you get Self-Realisation in the sense the new awareness starts within you, on your fingers. You start feeling the chakras and all that happens and only with the awakening of Kundalini you can cure people. You can also raise the Kundalini, but you may not give up his Realisation. It is that tremendous. And then a question comes in; people say that is a very difficult thing. How can it happen so Sahaj? We have done nothing. Then it's very [INAUDIBLE] for Me to say something. Maybe there is something about Me that happened here. You better find out. It is better to find out, what sort of a Lady is this, that She gives us the power to give realisations to others. Ninety-five percent people didn't know. So if you have to be one of them, you have to know that you have to steady yourself. Get rid of your ego first of all and tell your mind that we have had enough of it. Now let's have the way the spirit works. Then another advantage we have in India is this that is already written about Kundalini, especially Maharashtra. In Maharashtra and also among all of those who have been following Adi Shankaracharya. Very clearly about Kundalini, about left side, right side, everything is written there and that the Kundalini awakening is the way to get to Self-Realisation. It all over written about. Very clearly it is said that it is She only who can give realisation en masse. When you know what is the goal, is very easy to establish you there. But when you don't know anything, even if you come to London. Like somebody went to Bombay. They are now sitting in Santa Cruz airport, Bombay. So he will not know that Santa Cruz airport is in Bombay only. That's the name of the airport. Or say the De Gaulle's airport. You'll reach Paris and now they say we have arrived De Gaulle's airport in Paris. You say what is this? This must be some suburb. You go on sitting in the aeroplane, thinking that this is the suburb, why should I get down here? But if you know that this is what is you have to achieve. You [INAUDIBLE] or are found. But it does not happen to you that way. Because some people expect Self-Realisation means absolute, some sort of a trance. There is no trance at all. Otherwise Samadhi has been very much corrupted by people. Samadhi means the one, He is awareness. Or you can call it the intellect that is awareness which is being enlightened. Awareness which is being enlightened. So we get first step of thoughtless awareness here, just crossing this, entering into this area you get thoughtless awareness, Nirvichar Samadhi. The second stage you get when you cross this is Realisation. And the third stage is when you become Nirvikalpa. It is not a state of particular [INAUDIBLE] in nomination, but it is a state which has a certain power in it. For example when you get thoughtless awareness you become thoughtlessly aware. The power you get is the awakening of Kundalini [INAUDIBLE]. Even if you are not getting vibrations you can do it. Just imagine how pure is the vibration. It is so subtle. It passes through the subtlest, subtlest channel inside. And that's why it is not disturbed despite your efforts to put your thoughts and this and that nonsense on it. But even that clearing can go away after some time. And the second stage you get your realisation, you get your cool breeze flowing, and the power you get is that you get Realisation and the power is you can give Realisation to others. People have very bad chakras you see, all burning, this thing, but they can give Realisation all right. They can tell about other what is wrong with them. They can say what chakras are catching, but they are worrying, there is problems, still they can see. It is that power. It is so subtle, so protective. Now this Realisation when you get, is not really satisfying, is not joy giving, because we have to still we have to cling to the thought. In the third stage you become identified with the spirit completely. When it is Nirvikalpa. When you have no doubts, you know this is it. Then that joy starts. That is the beginning. And you cannot be taken by the fruit. The beginning. People see your face, so lustrous. They see your lives. So happy, so powerful. Your lives interests others. But the power you get, when you are realised fully, you never catch anything. You just record. You are not worried about catching, you are not worried about anything, you just record it. Catching here catching. It will become just like an ordinary recording machine and even any distance you come in awakening. Lots of powers are there of Nirvikalpa. It has to mature from this to that. At the end of Nirvikalpa you become absolutely the master of all the elements. You start controlling the elements. If you want you can have the Sun coming out. You become master of elements. Water you touch becomes vibrated. Anything you do becomes simpler. If you give a slap to someone he gets cured. If you say something harsh to someone, then he chops of all your badhas, all your obstacles. Such a personality develops. But such a person is full of compassion and love. Nothing but compassion. Their concern and feeling and the genuineness of such a person is not to be certified, it is there. You see it clearly, as clear as a [INAUDIBLE]. This is the real transformation that has to come. But the person is not [UNCLEAR] hankers to control anything. It doesn't want to have - after your Self-Realisation actually your priorities change. You just want to merge, and become the joy and you do not assert yourself as ego, you do not fuss about things, nothing. After Self-Realisation also. At least from given this should happen. Otherwise that Self-Realisation has no meaning. So at Self-Realisation point you do not fuss, you know how to handle situations, you take everything in a stride, you are a very congenial personality, everyone loves you, you are magnetic. This happens. And then the last of all as I told you, you become that power. Now what is the difference between Gods realisation and Self-Realisation, which I will tell you next time. And also I will be able to tell you how far human beings can reach and what is their ultimate that they reach. About this, I think I have told it clear now. Before I tell it clear [INAUDIBLE] I tell you about it. But by no means you should think about it. By thinking a flower cannot become a fruit, and by thinking a fruit cannot ripen. It has to ripen by itself. We have so many methods and techniques, after Realisation, which you have to work out. All other yogas that are described are nothing but to establish your attention. Hatha Yoga is to put your attention to the centre, but the way they are practicing now is nonsensical. All the religions are for putting you in the centre, keeping you in the centre, giving importance for you sustenance power, to give importance to the Ten Commandments, which guide you. All religions are based in that, but later on I would say Christianity is a religion in which Christ came and showed His ascent, resurrection. People did not accept Him then and they do not accept Him now, because all the churches put together are not that; one person who is a realised and who is a priest. This combination I've not encountered. I wish I could meet one person like that. People say there are, but I haven't seen it. Because the seeking is not there. Everybody has said that. John has said you have to get your Self Realisation; you have to be born again. Christ has said it, everybody has said it, you have to be born again. We are at the same stage where Judaism was and is and we are at the same stage. That time people did not accept Christ and still just the same. See, that was the beginning. That was the late thing, that started and the light had to come. That was through a play of the elements and then the light has to come. And He came on this Earth to show you the resurrection. Resurrection is the message of Christ and not this cross. We like the cross very much because I don't know. Why do you like the cross? I mean. I like to see the simple question, you see Christ on the cross. It's too much. It's barbaric. And then you put some hanky-panky bones on top. This is too much. I went to Sistine Chapel in Rome. Michelangelo was a realised soul, dynamic. He put Christ with such big stomach, Lambodhara you see. And dynamic personality. He showed Kalkis such big, big hands and huge big muscles to throw away people into hell and all that, sitting place. Tremendous. I'm sure the pope must have fought with Him. All the people must have told Him, "Oh", but He said "Never mind". And then in front of that tremendous thing is a little hanky-panky bony fellow on a cross, supposed to be Christ. I said: "What is that?" "This is Christ." I said:" Really?" This is the result [INAUDIBLE], this is nonsense, it is an insult of Christ. Make Him look like He is troubled. How is He going to save you? You want Him to suffer. You have made Him suffer. You want to see Him suffering, even today I think. I just can't bear those things. Can't bear. It is too much. Such a person has to be tremendous, has to be very powerful. How can you expect Him to be such a feeble patient? It is too much. Now this is the message we have talked today. And in the same way we must understand that all the religions have predicted about Christ, and supported Him. As you know in Markandeyas book, He is described as Maha Vishnu. They all have talked about Him and He has come on this Earth. In Hindi to support the adhar, to hold him. Because He is from the very beginning. As Ganesha is adhara and as Christ also is adhara. But what you have done of Him, His spirit, His intellect. So give anything to human beings and they'll make up a laugh of it. Just think the brain is like that. I don't know how it can do it to Him. It is another crucifixion every moment I feel it the way people have done it. In you He resides, awaken Him within you, and become the spirit, because He was the spirit and you can become the spirit. Everything that has happened before has to be proved today. Everything that is said about sustenance and all that is to be proved. Moses has to be proved, Socrates has to be proved, Abraham has to be proved, everyone has to be proved, but this is not necessary. Why should anybody prove them? Only in realisation you in yourself you have to accept, because not taking Their name the Kundalini won't rise. They are true to Kundalini. She proves. She proves it to you, that They all were absolutely true people and They want you to receive the truth. She is within you. She is the sensible part within you. She is the wisdom within you. She is the one who looks after you [INAUDIBLE] and She is the one who keeps you on the right path. To such a Kundalini we bow and we have our Realisation. May God bless you.	null	null	null	"The Way of Kundalini", Caxton Hall, London (UK), 20 October 1980. It is said that Sahaja Yoga is the culmination of all the yogas. But it is a very contradictory statement because Yoga means union with God. Then how can it be culminating? That means the first thing we have to know is the meaning of Yoga is the union with God. If union with God is the thing, then how can it be culminating? I mean that is what it is. So others are not yogas. They are maybe stepping stones. Till you have not met Me you have not met Me. Before that whatever you have done. For example you got into the car, then you got into the train. You came all over here. Still it is not Yoga. Till you have not received your Self-Realisation it is not Yoga. So all other yogas should not be called as yogas as far as union with God is concerned. So what is the meaning of word Yoga in other sense, like Raja Yoga they call it and other yogas they have got. Like Manana Yoga, means meditation Yoga. And other systems, many other systems they try to preach about. Like Hatha Yoga. Then I saw today some more names about it, Sanyasa Yoga. So Yoga has become sort of a tale for all the names that have something to do with God I believe. But it has no meaning. Because if the culmination is Sahaja Yoga, then other yogas have no meaning. So what is the meaning of Yoga? It has double meaning. One is the union with God. Another is the technique, the kausala, the technique. So the first part is of course Sahaja Yoga, is union with God. The other part is of technique. Now if you see that union with God is the culmination and if that is the goal there cannot be any technique, because it is a spontaneous happening. We spontaneously become the higher personality. Like a chick in the egg becomes the bird. Or we can say the potential egg becomes the chick. Now what does he do? What is the technique? There is no technique. No technique for the egg at all. Now what is the technique the mother does? Nothing. The mother bird also just gives the warmth of her love to the egg and spontaneously it becomes a chick. Because in the egg it is built in to be a chick. Only thing is that she gives the warmth. There is no technique. Does a chicken know any techniques? Can chicken read books? Can she go to a Guru to pay money? Can she do these things? If she wants to transform a little egg into a little chick, she only knows instinctively that she has to sit on the eggs with care, instinctively. And to give warmth to the egg. And spontaneously it is done. It is all done already by nature by God. So she cannot do anything about it. Once you understand the right meaning of Yoga, that it is technique as well as it is union with God. So one can understand when people talk of technique, what do they talk of? It is all imaginary blah blah blah. Supposing I want to become a guru and I am an Indian, or say Mexican or someone like that. I can come and tell you "Oh, you can get your Self-Realisation, but first you have to cleanse yourself." Now how do you cleanse? Water of Life should be there to cleanse you. Bible has talked about Water of Life. But where is Water of Life? How are you going to cleanse yourself? We must ask question to ourselves. How are we going to cleanse ourselves? How did Christ cleanse them? Just by touch or looking at them. Finished. What technique did He use? Did He make them sit for hours together in padmasana or did He make them stand on their heads? Did He? He just touched them. And how did He cleanse? Because He was an authority on that. He was the power of cleansing. He was that pure Himself, that anybody whom He touched got purified. So there cannot be any technique as far as cleansing is concerned. That is why it is said that you must find out a proper guru, a real guru. Because in the company of a real guru, your attention starts moving out from useless frivolous things and you start thinking of your Spirit. Because your guru is spiritually endowed. You see the lifestyle of the guru. You see how the guru is. You see how he behaves. How compassionate he is. How patient he is. How unassuming he is. How simple he is. And you start thinking that I should be like him and there must be something about him. The way he is so kind and so patient and so peaceful and so loving. This should impress you. Not how much money he has got, how many castles he has bought, how many houses he has got, how many kingdoms he rules. The kings and the queens have nothing to do with religion and God. They have nothing to do whatsoever. They have to look after the kingdom. The man who lives with his own earnings, like Christ was a Son of a carpenter. So He used to live like a carpenters son. He did not buy any castles or any big place or anything, and He used to go to a mount and give sermons to people. In the same way we have to see that when people talk of technique we should also find out what sort of personalities they are. First of all such a person is to be compassionate. At least on the face there should be some light of love. All kinds of dullards, hypocrites, swindlers and criminals can become gurus by your naive understanding of spirituality. They have to be very very simple people, easily approachable, knowledgeable and extremely humble and simple. Now the technique people are talking now, as I've told you there cannot be any technique for Realisation. And if there is any technique it starts after Realisation. For example there is no technique to put these lights on. It is the simplest thing. Just press the button, is there. It is all built in, done. But if you have to correct it or if it has now gone out of order, there is a technique. Also there could be a technique, once the power flows how to manoeuvre it, how to take it around. If you have to decorate say this room with small small bulbs, then you must know how to connect it with the mains. But if there is no electricity what technique are you going to do? First of all there should be that power flowing in you. It would be something like a bankrupt planning a trip to America. It is that absurd. First of all if the power is not there what technique can you have? It is as simple as that. But because we are supposed to be intellectuals, we like some sort of a difficult stuff, you see we don't want to eat like this we want to eat from this side. We must have a technique to eat our food like that, and if there is a simple method we think it is very silly; How can that be? It has to be absolutely horrifyingly difficult and complicated. Otherwise an intellectual is not satisfied. It must be something that you normally do not know. For example pulling your hair, normally you don't do. Somebody might say that. Or somebody might say that take out all you clothes and start jumping. This is a technique. For that you immediately get nine hundred Englishmen running up to the point, paying five pounds each and jumping. And we have got. But when you say there is no technique, people are not happy. Because there is no satisfaction of the ego. "What are we doing about it?" Now what did we do to become human beings? Did we cut our tails? We just became. It is built in, Sahaja. It is spontaneous. It is within you. You do not have to go anywhere to find it. It is within you. Everybody has said the same thing. They were all false people. Now these new people have come up and giving you ideas. They cannot embrace anything that has been handed over to us from generations. They cannot see the unity of all the religions. They cannot see anything. They have to earn their own living. Not living, their own comforts and their own palaces. So they have to take out something new. Have you heard anywhere in any religion which is established, that you take out your clothes and jump, you get to God, I mean every animal does that. And how does it go in to the logic of intellectuals? I don't know what is happening with the intellectuals. The intellect has become a fermented nonsense I think now. Because how can you accept such nonsense, absolute nonsense. That you pay for it and get yourself hurt. I don't mind. You do what you like. You can be absurd, foolish, stupid, do what you like. But you hurt yourself. Your inner being is hurt by these things. Hurt beyond repair. It can be a very dangerous game these people are playing because they mesmerise. If they would not mesmerise you, you would not believe them. So we have to understand that there cannot be any technique if it has something to do with God. It has to work out spontaneously, just by a touch, a glance is sufficient, if the person is that pure. What are you purifying yourself for? Why? Like many people believe that we must suffer. Who has told you this? You mean to say God created you, His own children on this Earth. Filled you up with all His bounties and then now He wants you to suffer. Is He mad? Will any father do that? Is there any father alive on this earth who wants his children to suffer? Christ crucified Himself for your sake. Actually it was your stupidity which crucified Him, that you could not recognise Him at all. Now why do you want to suffer for that? All these self destroying, society destroying, nations destroying ideas cannot come from God because He is constructing you to be the citizens of His beautiful Kingdom. Why will He destroy you? Why will He make you suffer? It has to be a beautiful thing that should happen. Now I want to tell you about this technique today because it is coming to my notice many a time that people are of two types. Some of them ask me that you must give us a technique. So many people have suggested to me, some pale white Sahaja Yogis, that "Mother unless and until they get some sort of a technique, people wont do Sahaja Yoga." But I say what is the technique? Am I to tell them lies? So now a new type of people have arrived. Who are now saying that this is one of the techniques. I mean you cannot satisfy human beings, if they want to escape, good. They will escape. They'll find out some method which their intellect soups up to escape. Intellect has a special quality that can also cheat you very well. Now you see within us these are the things that are already present. What do we have? First of all we have this power of desire. This is expressed outside as left sympathetic nervous system in the gross. Then another we have got here the power of action. Which expresses its self as right side sympathetic. When you go into too much of action, ego is speaking. When you too much go into inactivity and lethargic then super ego comes. [INAUDIBLE] that when you try to do too much of this, or you go to people who are mesmerisers and things like that. Or you take to drugs and take certain types. And you take to certain methods or so-called techniques, then you can move from here, which is the subconscious area within yourself, into collective subconscious. Now this is another power, which deals with the action. Over activity or any such techniques will give you activity can move you from this to this side, into collective supraconscious. And down below here is the hell. Now so what have you got? One side is collective subconscious falling down, where all the sly nonsensical people are still being together as they are being punished to the absolute. On the right-hand side we have got supraconscious very ambitious people, and Hitler and all that sitting down there to give ideas "I am this, I am that, I am". Down below you have got Hell where you can go very fast. But the Kundalini doesn't just go down. To think of it, you don't need much technique. So in the centre we have got this path of our evolution, by which we have arrived at the point where we are human beings. So you are a human being. On two sides you have got these collective horrible, dead things. Down below is the hell and I don't know what you can do put this down. That also you have to plan out well, otherwise you will miss it. There are now people who are trying the level past Ganesha. See there is a technique for that also perhaps. Now when this day they want to give you a technique for today. They can use your ego or super-ego, because of only two things. The main thing is that Kundalini which gives you Self-Realisation is sleeping nicely. You cannot have it at all. You cannot touch Her. So what do they do? Well they basically. They say that to awaken Kundalini will give you a [INAUDIBLE]. Actually what they do is to use your ego to suppress the super-ego, if it is too much. Or they do is to suppress your ego with your super-ego. Now say the psychologists. I'm sorry if there are any. With due respects. What do they do? They try to develop your ego to suppress your super-ego. Like they'll pamper if there is an alcoholic, technique is yours. They put the one before him or maybe the whiskey that he likes very much, and tell him and condition him by telling him that you are so powerful. You are not going to drink. Just one drink. Now what does it maintain? Where does it go, all this value? It goes into the balloon of Mr. Ego here, which suppresses this ego, super-ego, and they feel better. You do not drink. All right you do not drink, but then you start beating your wife. Because what is the escape? Because if you give up super-ego, then you, they'll have your ego. Now the other technique would be to develop your super-ego by mesmerising. There are many people, I have seen, who are taking to mesmerism very seriously. I mean in the medicine also. I'm sorry to say there are people of medicine here. They are mesmerising people for their own comfort without understanding what they are up to. Both things are unauthorised. Means if you mesmerise people you put them into super-ego. So a person who is very violent, he becomes subdued. A sadist have become masochist. I mean they've [INAUDIBLE] subdued the violence. So all these techniques are very temporary and will pass out. Because one side develops, the other doesn't. We have to see this point clearly, because Sahaja Yoga is not meant for such people who want to go into all this surplus and all this kind of actions. It is a very simple thing, that there is a Kundalini based in the triangular bone, which is to be awakened, which passes through all these centres, pierces through this and gives you a real balance. The other technique is that you get somebody from church. I mean it makes Me laugh when I see all that. Very seriously they'll get some water. Bring the child, put it on the head and baptise. How can you? What sort of thing is it? It is just mechanical. It is so much mechanical, people are discovering it so rapidly that all over the places I find the churches are [INAUDIBLE]. Because there is no living work there. It has to be living experience itself. It's a mix up. Mix this and this together. It is that absurd. That the person who may go to church every day, there is no transformation within him. At the most through ego they might control his super-ego. Or through super-ego he might manage. But living thing is here, which has to go to your heart. And in any living growth people move in stages, in the same way in Sahaja Yoga also. But for some people it can be very fast growth, very, very fast. If you are complicated. If there are problems. If there is something wrong with you chakras, you are being misidentified, you have habits which you cannot overcome. It takes some time. It doesn't matter. After all what have we been doing so far? So the growth takes place. In the first stage when the Kundalini rises She touches all these chakras and She indicates all the fingers of the Sahaja Yogis, what is the problem. Then the Sahaja Yogi, because he is connected and the power is flowing from his hands, he can correct. he can try to manoeuvre the Kundalini , which is awakened. Takes it out from here and when it pierces through the fontanel bone area. You can see it with you naked eyes, and you have seen all of you, most of you, if the Kundalini passes, She goes out and pierces. She also looks after other organs and this and that. Now when She goes up also Kundalini falls down. It is a common experience of Sahaja Yogis that [A-SIDE END] Six steps forward, six steps backward, then four steps forward, two steps backward, then eleven steps forward and twelve steps back. Where do you reach? Because of these seven chakras and their permutations and combinations within. Now within western mind is a big machinery here going on. They are very speedy people you see. They never arrive at a point. After, always before. That's why making a point to come late. They'll arrive... suppose the plane has to go - leave by eleven o'clock. At seven o'clock they'll start saying "Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go" like a jockey, you know. And they are on the horse already and the horse is saying: "Let's go, let's go, let's go". By the time they reach the airport they find that there's no plane going today. All such things happen. And because of these western ideas and things, a big problem arises which we should bring solution [INAUDIBLE]. When the Kundalini rises - here, She ends up on the Sahasrara. Now within us are three very important problems; one is heart, other is liver and the third is the brain. So when the Kundalini first rises you should see it clearly, She goes to the brain and not to the heart. So the enlightenment of the brain or awareness we can say, awareness. So the truth is gone in the brain but not in the heart. First stage is that clearly that the Kundalini goes there. Now on top of the head here is the spirit sitting down. The Kundalini has to go and meet the spirit, the seat of the spirit. But the seat is there the spirit actually is in heart. So the information goes to the spirit that Kundalini has risen and every information goes to the brain. And then the spirit starts emitting these vibrations. Now after that it is very necessary to keep it still in your brain. Because the sound [INAUDIBLE] of Kundalini has arrived and as soon as you go out of the hall you start thinking of about it. The Kundalini goes down actually [INAUDIBLE]. So I've told people that for the first seven days mantra should be "Don't think". Because when the Kundalini goes down, She is hurt. I've seen some Kundalinis [INAUDIBLE] they have been [INAUDIBLE] really, really terrible. Horrible, and some of them I've seen big, big bhoots and all the time pain in head, suggests the helplessness. Because a seeker who is the only child of this Mother Kundalini, She's your individual mother, does not understand that I should allow Her to work it out and take over and leave everything to Her hands. They get Realisation, the vibrations start to emit. "Oh", they think, "Oh how can it be?" How can that be so simple? How can it work out that way? This is, there is no big thing. Nothing, started cool breeze coming. So what is so great about, what is so Kundalini about? And we don't believe it. For them it suits better that every Sunday in their tradition, go to church and come back. At least you have to buy your shoes and your dresses. Must wear nicely and go to church. Here nothing. You must sit down and get truth. And if you hear Me, My, [INAUDIBLE] what a worst part. Like you have to stand on your head thirty-five times. You have to wash your hands hundred-and-five times or hundred-and-eight times, maybe fully. You have to pull out your hair and not to go to a barber. We have such cults you'd be surprised, that just pulling out their hair morning till evening. They are not supposed to go to the barber. Imagine by going to the barber is God going to be angry with you? What is the justification for all these silly things you are doing in the name of God? It's a happening inside, it has nothing to do with outside. This is one of the reasons why Kundalini falls down. It is very common. Because it goes into three stages. First stage is when the Kundalini catches, whatever may be your problems. What ever may be the conditions of your chakras. Whatever may be your previous lives, past lives. She forgets the past and says give them the Realisation [INAUDIBLE]. Let the power flourish. Like whatever may be the condition of these gurus. First the light comes with us a little; you show that there is light, gradually. But if you start thinking this after that. The wobbling of these two, ego and superego. She thinks they are not interested in Me; She just pulls down. This is one of the reasons. Second thing is our attention, is. It is covered in this portion as I told you and covers Nabhi as you rise above like this. The attention is there. So the attention is also there just kind of tent pulled out here. Now if you are attached to, say some guru, or somebody who has taken to the left or to the right and you are like that. Then because of the force of these gurus you are pulled down. Poor Kundalini what can She do? She is again pulled down. There are so many subtle things in you, which start working and She is pulled down. And once Kundalini is not there, people cannot have any feeling in Sahaja Yoga. They also forget they felt the cool breeze. They do not want to find out what was it like, what does it mean, what it says. Because they got it free. If they had paid for it, they would have at least worried and found out, are we befooled. Because supposing they have to file a suit, or sue Me in the court, they would have to find out at least, what I was telling. But there is no such a thing, because you came in your own freedom, you got your Realisation, you lost and finished. Nobody is going to ask Me questions, so it is finished. Imagine Realisation you get; the last thing, the epitome of happiness, every happiness in life, the highest that you are seeking. For ages you have been searching. You have been going mad in to the hills and dales and in the caves. You have been asking for it in your prayers in everyway. That you see even in Zeus. Because of the evolutions [INAUDIBLE] and these ego activities try to crush the Kundalini, She goes down and then to raise it as a temper. But She doesn't want it. She thinks let's give it to you in the next life. She feels insulted and hurt. And that is how many people come to Sahaja Yoga, they drop out. It is their loss. Not the loss of Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is established by itself. It is your loss. That is what is to be told to people. Then second thing is about the attention I must tell you. As it is in the West we have problems about attention, much more than here. In India we have some other attentions, here some other attentions. Let's deal with the western mind. But we can say that Indians is going in the shocks, say in Oxford circus. He would be going mad with things, plastics, this that he would be buying there. Spending lot of his time in plastics. I mean they carried plastics than nylons. That makes you laugh, but what makes them laugh also we should understand is that the way you are going in the string. You go to the market and you'll look at women. I mean you are not going to purchase women; you are going to purchase a thing. And by the time you finish your shopping you find you have not bought what you wanted to buy. Woman will go buy, say shirt for the man and they'll end up with the spectacle. Because attention is so wobbly, and conditioning of this too much in the West also because of your media. The way people talk about women and sex and this and that, is bit too much. What is there to talk about it? I just don't understand. I mean are you going to go ruined? You talk so much and produce nothing. You have such a minus a growth in this country, that no wonder you are afraid of the immigrants because they are having a proper growth, while you people are not producing anything. You don't want to produce and then you cannot. In Switzerland I was surprised, out of five only one family can produce. You are ruining your attention completely, and this attention is the only thing which we can little bit control. There is no technique about it. On this point I would say, that in places, eastern places, even in China also. Now I don't know. Americans have gone there. I don't know what they are going to do there. But in China also I found that the attention is controlled. Chitta Nirodha is to control your attention. It is said that you should not see which your mind tends you all the time to see. There might be some bhoot; there might be some possession which might be there. Keep out your eyes. This is basically a very wise attitude, but somehow it missed in the West from out. I don't know how. The attention becomes such big nonsense. But this is a very big problem, that our attention is bored. It has come to us because of our circumstances, our atmosphere, our style in thinking. People don't understand what it is and how it affects us and how it is dangerous to have this kind of attention. The liver sustains our attention, imagine. How can your liver be all right if your attention is going there, there, there like that? Just think of it. It has to be in a position from where you can control your attention. Imagine a pilot is sitting in the plane and his attention here and there. What will happen to the plane? In everything we talk of concentration, but not as far as our heart is concerned. They will fall in love hundred times and I don't know how many hearts they have got the way they are. It's a very sad thing. It's a very sad thing that has happened to us, by which our attention is so disturbed. That's why we are so speedy. We don't know. We are wobbly. We are nervous. We are tense. This is the thing is most important, is our attention. That's the only thing we could have get all right. But either it is drawn by materialism by material things, plastics and things like I told your, or by other nonsense; women and other nonsensical things. That's how our esteem gets very much reduced to some sort of an attention. I mean so frivolous that you can't imagine. I've seen even people who in very big positions, I mean very big, supposed to be kings, queens and things like that. Their attention is like that. Our queen was so dignified when she went down to Rome and her attention would not go to the nonsensical thing. I must say she is a real Lakshmi Yogi, such a dignified guru. Her attention would not go. It was most surprising. When I read it I was surprised that she was not affected by all this nonsense. I mean it's vomiting, maybe. Is horrible. But we must develop that within us, that it is nauseating. You have a feeling of nauseous about it. Like in India, you see, there are seekers who clean all the bathrooms and things like that, they never get the bad smells, you know. It's like that. We have lost that sensitivity of chastity and that's how this attention is very much ruined. So only thing that we could have done is to put this attention right. It was done with Judaism. Then Moses came in, He talked of our ten commandments. That was the time; I mean thousands of years back. He talked like let us first of all establish our attention. That what He said, that's what we have to do. Then Christ came, but the attention was to be fixed. I don't know how far He was successful. I have not seen any Jew who has got his attention properly fixed. So Judaism failed completely and the scriptures who came out the Old Testament to the New Testament are much worse. Because they started thinking that now we are very physical. Christ came for us. We are the chosen ones. So we just ask Christ to put the attention for us and we do what we like. Very nice ideas. But you do not respect your attention at all, just spoil everything. Which was the basis. Which was established thousands of years back, in the Old Testament. Even earlier in the Vedic scriptures of India. But somehow in India they know that. I don't know they have still kept it. Perhaps we were so much invaded by others that we wanted to preserve it and see that it works out. That was the only way we could sustain ourselves. So we have been able to, at least know, that this kind of frittering away of attention is not good. Every Indian knows, he may do anything worse than what you are doing, he know he is doing a wrong thing. The idea of sin, or perhaps say the unrighteous thing. But not now. I don't know. Within ten, fifteen years it may just go out. Now this attention that is within us is the one which is to be taken to the spirit. Spirit has to be dawned into our attention. Our attention is to be enlightened by that spirit. Because spirit is enjoying by itself. The enjoyment of spirit should come into our awareness, because our attention is enlightened by the spirit. It has happened to many of you Sahaja Yogis. This is the point. That's why our attention is to be controlled and only way is that when Kundalini rises, She attracts attention of the people and She gives the concentration. Because as soon as this attention is fed up with that quarrel, you start collecting all that attention as is frittered away like a sari as I told you, and whole thing goes up. But still you may fall down if your attention is not properly fixed then. It is like fixing a tent, you see. Have you done it any time? It is a headache. Sometimes I find that, I find that [INAUDIBLE] My then I try to fix this properly here somehow, and you try to pull this and the whole thing will fall down. So the central part has to be fixed properly. That is very important for Sahaja Yogis. And when they come to you for the first time, you have to tell them that it is just an initiation. You should tell them you are Self-Realised, either they will be bloated with "Ah, I'm Self-Realised, I'm this that." Don't know. All kind of things our [INAUDIBLE] nonsense is no good but. But initiation takes place in the centres of [INAUDIBLE] takes place. She touches your fontanel bone. [INAUDIBLE] may also go down. And you get Self-Realisation in the sense the new awareness starts within you, on your fingers. You start feeling the chakras and all that happens and only with the awakening of Kundalini you can cure people. You can also raise the Kundalini, but you may not give up his Realisation. It is that tremendous. And then a question comes in; people say that is a very difficult thing. How can it happen so Sahaj? We have done nothing. Then it's very [INAUDIBLE] for Me to say something. Maybe there is something about Me that happened here. You better find out. It is better to find out, what sort of a Lady is this, that She gives us the power to give realisations to others. Ninety-five percent people didn't know. So if you have to be one of them, you have to know that you have to steady yourself. Get rid of your ego first of all and tell your mind that we have had enough of it. Now let's have the way the spirit works. Then another advantage we have in India is this that is already written about Kundalini, especially Maharashtra. In Maharashtra and also among all of those who have been following Adi Shankaracharya. Very clearly about Kundalini, about left side, right side, everything is written there and that the Kundalini awakening is the way to get to Self-Realisation. It all over written about. Very clearly it is said that it is She only who can give realisation en masse. When you know what is the goal, is very easy to establish you there. But when you don't know anything, even if you come to London. Like somebody went to Bombay. They are now sitting in Santa Cruz airport, Bombay. So he will not know that Santa Cruz airport is in Bombay only. That's the name of the airport. Or say the De Gaulle's airport. You'll reach Paris and now they say we have arrived De Gaulle's airport in Paris. You say what is this? This must be some suburb. You go on sitting in the aeroplane, thinking that this is the suburb, why should I get down here? But if you know that this is what is you have to achieve. You [INAUDIBLE] or are found. But it does not happen to you that way. Because some people expect Self-Realisation means absolute, some sort of a trance. There is no trance at all. Otherwise Samadhi has been very much corrupted by people. Samadhi means the one, He is awareness. Or you can call it the intellect that is awareness which is being enlightened. Awareness which is being enlightened. So we get first step of thoughtless awareness here, just crossing this, entering into this area you get thoughtless awareness, Nirvichar Samadhi. The second stage you get when you cross this is Realisation. And the third stage is when you become Nirvikalpa. It is not a state of particular [INAUDIBLE] in nomination, but it is a state which has a certain power in it. For example when you get thoughtless awareness you become thoughtlessly aware. The power you get is the awakening of Kundalini [INAUDIBLE]. Even if you are not getting vibrations you can do it. Just imagine how pure is the vibration. It is so subtle. It passes through the subtlest, subtlest channel inside. And that's why it is not disturbed despite your efforts to put your thoughts and this and that nonsense on it. But even that clearing can go away after some time. And the second stage you get your realisation, you get your cool breeze flowing, and the power you get is that you get Realisation and the power is you can give Realisation to others. People have very bad chakras you see, all burning, this thing, but they can give Realisation all right. They can tell about other what is wrong with them. They can say what chakras are catching, but they are worrying, there is problems, still they can see. It is that power. It is so subtle, so protective. Now this Realisation when you get, is not really satisfying, is not joy giving, because we have to still we have to cling to the thought. In the third stage you become identified with the spirit completely. When it is Nirvikalpa. When you have no doubts, you know this is it. Then that joy starts. That is the beginning. And you cannot be taken by the fruit. The beginning. People see your face, so lustrous. They see your lives. So happy, so powerful. Your lives interests others. But the power you get, when you are realised fully, you never catch anything. You just record. You are not worried about catching, you are not worried about anything, you just record it. Catching here catching. It will become just like an ordinary recording machine and even any distance you come in awakening. Lots of powers are there of Nirvikalpa. It has to mature from this to that. At the end of Nirvikalpa you become absolutely the master of all the elements. You start controlling the elements. If you want you can have the Sun coming out. You become master of elements. Water you touch becomes vibrated. Anything you do becomes simpler. If you give a slap to someone he gets cured. If you say something harsh to someone, then he chops of all your badhas, all your obstacles. Such a personality develops. But such a person is full of compassion and love. Nothing but compassion. Their concern and feeling and the genuineness of such a person is not to be certified, it is there. You see it clearly, as clear as a [INAUDIBLE]. This is the real transformation that has to come. But the person is not [UNCLEAR] hankers to control anything. It doesn't want to have - after your Self-Realisation actually your priorities change. You just want to merge, and become the joy and you do not assert yourself as ego, you do not fuss about things, nothing. After Self-Realisation also. At least from given this should happen. Otherwise that Self-Realisation has no meaning. So at Self-Realisation point you do not fuss, you know how to handle situations, you take everything in a stride, you are a very congenial personality, everyone loves you, you are magnetic. This happens. And then the last of all as I told you, you become that power. Now what is the difference between Gods realisation and Self-Realisation, which I will tell you next time. And also I will be able to tell you how far human beings can reach and what is their ultimate that they reach. About this, I think I have told it clear now. Before I tell it clear [INAUDIBLE] I tell you about it. But by no means you should think about it. By thinking a flower cannot become a fruit, and by thinking a fruit cannot ripen. It has to ripen by itself. We have so many methods and techniques, after Realisation, which you have to work out. All other yogas that are described are nothing but to establish your attention. Hatha Yoga is to put your attention to the centre, but the way they are practicing now is nonsensical. All the religions are for putting you in the centre, keeping you in the centre, giving importance for you sustenance power, to give importance to the Ten Commandments, which guide you. All religions are based in that, but later on I would say Christianity is a religion in which Christ came and showed His ascent, resurrection. People did not accept Him then and they do not accept Him now, because all the churches put together are not that; one person who is a realised and who is a priest. This combination I've not encountered. I wish I could meet one person like that. People say there are, but I haven't seen it. Because the seeking is not there. Everybody has said that. John has said you have to get your Self Realisation; you have to be born again. Christ has said it, everybody has said it, you have to be born again. We are at the same stage where Judaism was and is and we are at the same stage. That time people did not accept Christ and still just the same. See, that was the beginning. That was the late thing, that started and the light had to come. That was through a play of the elements and then the light has to come. And He came on this Earth to show you the resurrection. Resurrection is the message of Christ and not this cross. We like the cross very much because I don't know. Why do you like the cross? I mean. I like to see the simple question, you see Christ on the cross. It's too much. It's barbaric. And then you put some hanky-panky bones on top. This is too much. I went to Sistine Chapel in Rome. Michelangelo was a realised soul, dynamic. He put Christ with such big stomach, Lambodhara you see. And dynamic personality. He showed Kalkis such big, big hands and huge big muscles to throw away people into hell and all that, sitting place. Tremendous. I'm sure the pope must have fought with Him. All the people must have told Him, "Oh", but He said "Never mind". And then in front of that tremendous thing is a little hanky-panky bony fellow on a cross, supposed to be Christ. I said: "What is that?" "This is Christ." I said:" Really?" This is the result [INAUDIBLE], this is nonsense, it is an insult of Christ. Make Him look like He is troubled. How is He going to save you? You want Him to suffer. You have made Him suffer. You want to see Him suffering, even today I think. I just can't bear those things. Can't bear. It is too much. Such a person has to be tremendous, has to be very powerful. How can you expect Him to be such a feeble patient? It is too much. Now this is the message we have talked today. And in the same way we must understand that all the religions have predicted about Christ, and supported Him. As you know in Markandeyas book, He is described as Maha Vishnu. They all have talked about Him and He has come on this Earth. In Hindi to support the adhar, to hold him. Because He is from the very beginning. As Ganesha is adhara and as Christ also is adhara. But what you have done of Him, His spirit, His intellect. So give anything to human beings and they'll make up a laugh of it. Just think the brain is like that. I don't know how it can do it to Him. It is another crucifixion every moment I feel it the way people have done it. In you He resides, awaken Him within you, and become the spirit, because He was the spirit and you can become the spirit. Everything that has happened before has to be proved today. Everything that is said about sustenance and all that is to be proved. Moses has to be proved, Socrates has to be proved, Abraham has to be proved, everyone has to be proved, but this is not necessary. Why should anybody prove them? Only in realisation you in yourself you have to accept, because not taking Their name the Kundalini won't rise. They are true to Kundalini. She proves. She proves it to you, that They all were absolutely true people and They want you to receive the truth. She is within you. She is the sensible part within you. She is the wisdom within you. She is the one who looks after you [INAUDIBLE] and She is the one who keeps you on the right path. To such a Kundalini we bow and we have our Realisation. May God bless you.
10/23/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=7121	Why we are seeking our Spirit?	England	Hampstead	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	82	“Why are we seeking our Spirit?” Public Programme, Friends Meeting House, 120 Heath St, Hampstead, London (UK), 23 October 1980. Today somebody came from India and told me that, “You better change the name Sahaja Yoga into some other name. So I said, “What about Maha Yoga?” And he liked it very much. He said, “Now people are taking Sahaj Yoga as their own and they are using it for their own purpose.” I said, “Very good idea. If they are using it, is even better! Because the word itself suggests that this union has to be spontaneous. They have to give a spontaneous union. If they claim it, they have to do it. If they are not doing it, then it is wrong. It’s very simple!” But he said, “In any case Sahaj Yoga does not denote the dimension which it has reached: that people are getting en-masse Realisation.” Moreover he said that people don’t understand that the time has come for thousands of people to get their Realisation. Perhaps we are not aware [of] what time we are born. So many people are seeking God. Never in the history before there was such a multitude which was seriously seeking God, and honestly wanting to get their union. Only in the modern times you find they are very honest, very sincere; and they are born seekers. I mean their quality is that they are seekers; their temperament is that they are seekers. They are not satisfied with anything else but seeking. Why this is happening? We have to think about it. Why people are not satisfied with what they have? Why are they not seeking now the materialism or the powers which are other than the Divine Power? Why do they want that they should know their Spirit? What is the reason? Why such an upsurge? And why people, like mad, are following anyone who comes across? To try every method and experiment with everything to get that bliss and joy. You know [that], from ancient times, people have been talking about your rebirth. Even at the time of Rama, one disciple called as Nachiketa, went to the father-in-law of Rama, whose name was Raja Janaka, and asked Him that, “Give me Self-knowledge.” And Nachiketa was very, very anxious, very much wanting to be the Spirit. But Janaka put him to many, many tests. And the conversation between them is very interesting. So one individual is mentioned in those days — I mean that’s a long time back, Rama’s time — who was seeking. Even at the time of Christ there was, we would say, John the Baptist who talked of baptism. But as far as seeking is concerned, in the multitude, there was no such urge, there was not that seeking as you find today. So there must be something in the atmosphere. Then another thing is that we are trying to save time. We must have watches. We must see that [watch] after every ten minutes. Oh, we have to save time. We cannot waste time. I mean, supposing somebody has to go to India, then a date is fixed, and then he must go by that plane, particular plane. If that plane is missed, he thinks he’s lost the world! Time-saving is another urge within us. Why do we want to save time? Why this urge from the unconscious is so strong that we must save time? Is there something going wrong or something is going to happen? Or is there some urgency or emergency which you feel in the time itself? Because, in the olden times, nobody used to worry so much about time. So what is the reason for this kind of time-saving today? We can see very clearly that there are genuine seekers. There are seekers because of the faction around. And there are people who do not seek; who are quite satisfied with whatever mundane life they are leading, or whatever ambitions they have other than seeking. But the genuine seekers are so many in number that we have to find out why this genuine seeking is working so much. And you are so restless about it, so anxious that, without the seeking, you are not satisfied. You are willing to give up everything that is on this Earth with you, or whatever is your own so-called possessions, but you want to seek yourself. That’s a fact; it’s absolutely honest. There’s no doubt about it. But why there is seeking? It is because the Last Judgment has started. The Last Judgment has started now. Many great souls are taking birth. It is very common these days, you talk to anyone about his child [and] they will tell two things: Either he is a grand old man, some ancient figure born in the family and every word he speaks is wisdom. Or the other thing they may tell you is that he’s a monster, he’s good for nothing, he is useless. Nothing in between! Now this happening also was very uncommon. Now we have seen, so many of you, who are Sahaj Yogis, that so many children are born-realised. I mean, when I was born, I found very, very few people. Except for my father I couldn’t find anyone who was born-realised. And there were many fakirs and saints, who came to our house, or we went to see them, and I found that their Kundalini was all frozen. They may be calling themselves saints or whatever it is. But I was amazed that there was no companionship with them because you couldn’t talk [to them]. They were at a very low level of evolution and they were just trying to make money or give some sort of technique or some sort of a blah, blah, blah. Even then it was so. But innately in a country like India people know what to seek, what to find. Now, because of your righteous life in previous births, I believe, maybe, or whatever it is: as a blessing of that you are born in these countries where there is affluence, where your attention does not go to material things so much, but to higher things. And then you start thinking that all this is a waste, a junk and we are not going to carry the junk of our parents on our heads. Some sort of feeling crawls up and you start seeking. In England I don’t know how many children I have seen who are born-realised, of a very high quality. Such great souls are taking birth on this Earth. Why? It never happened before. And within these ten years’ time, such a tremendous in-flow of these great souls is felt that one has to realise that there is a kind of an emergency. This emergency is felt also even in those people who are not yet seeking. They are so speedy; they are so anxious; they get into stress and they get into tensions. If you ask your forefathers who had gone out to wars: they never had tensions. They would kill ten people and sleep off nicely without thinking about it. They didn’t even have the sensitivity that you have, that compassion and that understanding. With this growth within, or we can say, with this urge within, also there are many things that have happened outside that you can see very clearly: is that a consciousness has come, a collective awareness has come, as to the idea of cruelty, wars and also domination of other people. Perhaps none of you could be as old as I am here. I have seen this working out. People are so much changed in their ideas. There’s such a revolution that you cannot think [of] a person like Christ, today to be born and to be crucified. Of course you may misunderstand. You may not like Him because He’s a carpenter’s son, He’s too simple, He talks of spontaneity; He doesn’t give you any technique; He doesn’t take any money from you; He doesn’t organise. You may not like Him, and you may deny Him also thinking that He’s just useless, but you cannot crucify [Him]. Under any law you cannot do it. Imagine what a development of society has also taken place! And we understand what is wrong. For example now, Afghanistan was invaded: everybody, everyone in the whole world, was feeling that it was wrong. When one of the satellites was falling, and there were some astronauts caught up in that, the whole world was watching. I mean, they were not Indians and they were not Egyptians, but everywhere people were watching that they should come down safely. Everybody was praying in their own way that, “Oh God, they must be safe!” Because of the development outside we are so much connected with each other: there’s such an articulation of our thoughts and our ideas and our feelings and our sensitivities that, anything happens in any part of our country, we do feel, in any part of the world, we feel; anywhere anything happens to someone, we feel it. So our collectivity has also become sharper and sensitive. It’s a remarkable time we are born in. You are very fortunate and lucky people. And your age group specially is specially blessed because, at this time, you are well-read, you know all about it and you are just there to understand and get it. But, as I said, that, in a country like India where, from ancient times, there has been a big search within, much more known to them were the truths of life. They knew what they were seeking, they knew what they had to seek and what is to expect in your seeking. Though I would say India is today sleeping compared to you people. You are awake, you are definitely awake. Those who know what to seek are sleeping; those who are awake do not know what to seek. It’s a funny situation! But we can understand it by understanding one fact, that, when the tree grows outside too much we must know that the roots must have grown down deep, otherwise the tree cannot be sustained. If, in the West, we have grown very much outside, in the East maybe one or two roots, maybe, have gone deep down to find out the source to sustain this tree. For me, east and west doesn’t exit. Nor does it exist for anything that is Divine. It’s a human conception of east and west and these countries and all that. It’s only one map, a beautiful picture God has created. Only human beings think that we are different and they are different. Of course He has created varieties just to create the joy of beauty. But He never created east, west, north, south and the difference between the people. That’s our own conception. [But], whatever it is, definitely in the growth there are two types of people: one are the people who are growing outside, extroversion is much more, people are seeking outside, and there are people who are seeking inside. I would say like the Pisces, you see, they have two fishes: one fish is seeking inside and one fish is seeking outside. In the same way the whole universe looks to me that some are seeking outside and some are seeking inside. Now those who are seekers of the Divine must take some guidance from people who have found out something before. For example, I had a big discussion with a gentleman who said, “This is occidental and this is that…” and all. I asked him, “Who was Christ? Was He born in England or in America? Why did you accept Him?” I mean He has to be born somewhere! After all, either He’ll be born in the East or in the West. Supposing He’s born in the West: so the Eastern people should say that, “Because He was born in the West, we’ll reject Him.” He is born in the East so Western people should say, “We will reject Him because He was born in the East!” This is absurd! I mean, a person can be born in one place only, he cannot be born everywhere. He has to be born somewhere. But these kind of localised identifications have led to lots of problems in the minds of people. As scientists we have to keep our mind very, very open to understand what search people have made in the inner being, to find out what are we made of, why are we here, why did we get our evolution from amoeba to this stage, where have we to reach. We have to understand the other side of the picture. And [it’s] much more necessary for people who are now seeking that which was found out in the East. And Eastern people are seeking that which you have found out here. They are getting developed, you see, they are now getting sophisticated. While you are trying to find out something which they had found out without much sophistication. In the ancient times, a long, long time back, we had three types of people working out the seeking. The first type I would say were the people who were on the left hand side of this Primordial Being which you see there with a blue line . Have you something to show them? This blue line is the representative of a channel called Ida Nadi. And this channel was discovered thousands of years back in India. This channel represents the power of desire within us. And the desire reached such a subtle form that there was a desire to meet God, to be one with your Spirit; that’s the last desire. And this desire became what you call as the power of devotion or dedication or for asking, “Oh Lord, when are we going to meet? You must come, and we are waiting for You,” and all such things which shows that people believed that there was some Superior Power and that we had to receive the help from that Superior Power. This was one side or one type of people who existed. And the other side [that] you see is the yellow line: this is the power of our action. The channel is called as Pingala channel. These are all very subtle channels inside our spinal cord. This Pingala channel expressed in the people who went into action. Now the power of action in the West, I think, is a later manifestation of the way people acted in India. By this power they try to find out the mysteries of the matter. As you know matter is made of five elements. So they wanted to know how to overpower the matter; how to harness it, how to use it. And they tried to find out which are the Deities which are ruling the material side of life. For example, which is the Deity for the sea, what is the Deity for water, what is the Deity for Sun, Moon and other stars, and all those things. And Greeks, I think, went further with it, very much further, and they got into a wrong path and they got lost. But this was the search where people tried to excite or to master the methods by which you could control all these five elements. And this method is expressed in our Vedas. ‘Vida’ means ‘to know’; and the Vedas are the expressions of all the mantras which were used to harness the matter. The result of that is, today, what we feel, is science: that, through that, now science is manifested as knowledge to us. But first they tried to, say, overpower the fire. Now there is one way of overpowering the fire: is from outside to use the fire for cooking, for this, that, all sorts of things. Or there could be a method by which you find out the Deity that rules the fire. If you can excite the Deity that rules the fire and can control that Deity or you are connected with that Deity, then you can manage to use the fire the way you like. So the second type of people who went into these mantras and yAgnyas and all these things: they did the fire ceremonies and tried to control the Sun, Moon and all sort of things; they were interested [in that]. But now the third type of people, who existed in the centre, in the central path. This path is called as the Sushumna path, and this path is responsible for our evolution from amoeba to this stage. Because of this power within us, to evolve, we became human beings. Why did we become human beings? Nobody asks! We should ask some questions! All the scientists must ask questions [such as]: Why did we become human beings? Why some animals were discarded, and why we are supposed to be on top of all the evolutionary process? And now what is our goal? Why are we there? What are we to achieve? This central path is a very, very important path for us, for Sahaja Yoga, because, by these different chakras that there are, the one is the lower one, then the second, the third and the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh: these seven chakras denote vertically our evolution — vertically. And horizontally they express our physical, mental, emotional being. The first chakra is very important. This chakra is the centre of Mooladhara. ‘Mooladhara’ means ‘the support of the root’. This centre is the centre of our innocence. The first thing that was created on this Earth was innocence. Innocence is the first power that was created. And that’s what we had to preserve first of all. That was the most important thing to preserve: is our innocence. Now you will be surprised that this centre is placed under the Kundalini, not above the Kundalini. Kundalini is above that. Now this Kundalini is the power which is placed in the sacrum bone, nowhere else. I mean people can tell you, I have heard the other day, he was saying, that, “We believe the Kundalini is here.” I said, “You can believe it, it is here! I mean, but by believing it is not there!” Because what you see is the pulsation of Kundalini in this area. When Sahaja Yoga starts, in many people, with the naked eyes, you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini in this area, on people who have got some obstruction. Those who are all right they just get their Realisation without any difficulties. But [with] those who have obstruction, many of you have seen the pulsation in the sacrum bone. And imagine this bone is called ‘sacrum’! ‘Sacrum’ means ‘sacred’. So they knew that there was something in it. Even the Greeks, I think. Latin is not Greek, but we can say in Latin language it is called as sacred. So the sacred bone was containing this Sacred Power within us known as ‘Kundalini’. This is the primule, is the germinating power within us. Now this fact has been accepted for thousands of years in India and elsewhere. In the Bible also it is said that Moses saw the tree of fire. That tree of fire is nothing but the whole Kundalini instrument. They talk of the Tree of Life: that is the same as this. In the Bible it is said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames,” [this] is nothing but these centres. And these centres, you can see clearly within yourself, look like living flames as these are. But these are static, and they are moving and living. So this is the thing that is being described in our ancient books, in all the scriptures. Even in Koran they have described as ‘Ruh’, R-U-H, ‘Ruh’. ‘Ruh' means the cool breeze, the cool breeze. The Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost is described in the Bible also. You cannot suddenly start a new idea about something. If it is an evolutionary process, if it is a living process, it must have its background, its history and it must culminate into something fruitful. Like every fruit has a tree behind it and roots behind it. You cannot just come out from somewhere and say, “See now, I have created a fruit! Now this fruit can become like this.” It has no meaning. It must be a plastic fruit. It cannot be a real fruit. If it is a living fruit it has to come out of the tree. That has existed for thousands and thousands of years and out of that this tree has to come. It must have the base. And this is traditionally called as the Kundalini awakening process. Now, this was done, as I told you, there was only one person at the time of Rama, Nachiketa who tried to find it. Yoga Vasishtha was a realised-soul, no doubt, but he did not give Realisation to anyone. Only Raja Janaka gave Realisation to one fellow called Nachiketa. Even Zen system in which people were supposed to get their Realisation: they said that nobody got Realisation except that there were twenty-six kashyapas. ‘Kashyapas’ means “realised-souls”. Only twenty-six, because I think it started about the sixth century. And for six centuries they had these kashyapas coming and going, one at a time. And after that they had none, they had none. So there are no realised-souls there either. Christ has said very clearly that, “You are to be born again.” I mean the whole message of Christ’s life is Realisation. Because Judaism talked of the dharma, of the sustenance, of maintenance of the balance in the centre. That also, like a tree, that was very important. But then Christ came on this Earth to show that you have to become the Spirit. By His resurrection He showed that. And this is the message of Christ. But in Christianity, I don’t know how many people are seeking. They think that by going to church every morning it’s finished. Same with the Indians where it was said in every scripture, even about Vedas the first thing is said that, “Through this knowledge if you cannot seek your Spirit, it’s all useless.” Then we had people like Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya, who was the person who tried to re-establish Hinduism. Who has said that, “Without getting Realisation, what’s this life?” “Na yogye, na sankhye.” (meaning: neither by ‘yoga’ nor ‘sankhya’ it is achieved’) By all this talking, blah, blah blahs, where are you going to lie? You have to get the grace of the Mother to get your Realisation. When he talked first of ‘Vivekachudamani’, a very big book he wrote, on treaties of Indian philosophy, people were amazed at his knowledge. But later on he just wrote ‘Saundarya Lahari’ which is just the description of the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost and of the Holy Ghost. And people said, “What are you doing? You are just praising the Holy Ghost and not writing any philosophy.” He said, “There is no philosophy. It’s a spontaneous thing which should happen to all of us, and just the praise is the way you get it.” Just imagine a person of his calibre. But what are the Hindus doing today is nothing but the same old-style techniques and ritualism and all nonsense; they are also lost. I mean there is such a pickle, made out of every great incarnation, that to me it was a shock to see how they have been able to spoil every incarnation into zero, and some sort of a nonsensical image of every incarnation who came on this Earth to emancipate, to give you a higher life, a higher awareness. So we come to the point where we have to think what we have to expect. The first thing is: if it is a living process, it has to be spontaneous. This is very difficult for people to understand: that it has to be spontaneous. For example, if this flower has to become the fruit, what is the technique? Do you stand before it for hours together or do you jump before it, or you stand on your heads [so] that it becomes? Anything spontaneous [that] you have seen, which is living, happens by itself. There is no technique. When I say there is no technique, people do not want to believe it, because technique they want. But you have taken for granted all these things, isn’t it? I mean, one day you are sleeping, you find that the blossom time has come, lots of flowers are there. One morning you get up you find most of the flowers have become fruits, and you take it for granted. Do you ask for a technique there? In the same way what technique did you employ to become human beings from amoeba? Say from monkey’s state to human beings: did you cut your tails to become human beings? Didn’t we become spontaneously that? It’s rather difficult to accept. But logically, you tell me, if it is a living process, what do we have do? It is impossible to explain to people that there is no technique. They must have a technique. Now why do we want to have a technique?Let us face ourselves. Because we think we must do something about it: if we are not doing anything about it, then how can we get it? Because we think whatever we have got in this world is through our effort, by working for it. But what have you got? You’ve got everything dead! Say for example, something is dead, these stones are dead and you have made a building out of it. So what? Dead from the dead! What have you got living with you? Have you got any living powers? Can you give life to a fruit or to a tree? You cannot. What have you achieved? Is only dead. With effort you can only achieve dead. Have you achieved anything living? If you put such a question to yourself then you will understand that living processes, we have to accept, are spontaneous: we cannot put any technique on it. As soon as we want to have technique, we must know this is our Mr Ego who wants to get satisfied. I have seen people doing that. For example I will give you a very concrete example of a gentleman who came to me and he said, “No, no. How can be it that be simple Mother? How can it be that simple?” I told him that, “See: your breathing is so simple. If you have to read books and go into techniques for your breathing, how many people would be living?” But he would not accept me. He said, “You must give us a technique otherwise we’ll not be happy.” Now there’s a very great realised-soul living in India but he is a very strict person, he’s not a Mother and he has no tolerance for any nonsense. So he had once told me, “If somebody troubles you, send the fellow over to me.” So I told him, “You go and see the guruji, such and such.” He was very enamoured that, “This gentleman has called me!” So he had to climb up seven miles up on a hill where this gentleman was sitting there. He went there, and he started talking, “Blah, blah, blah,” to him that, “See, Mother doesn’t give any technique to us and She’s just giving Realisation to every Dick, Tom and Harry and this and that!” He said, “Yah! Really, She’s doing wrong, isn’t it? All right, you be here and you eat your food and sleep here!” After a month I found the gentleman came to see me with both his legs round his neck, dangling in the air. I said, “What’s happened?” I mean, really tears came into my eyes and I said, “What’s happened? What this guru has done to him?” He came and started crying. He said, “Mother, never send me to that guru.” I said, “But you were very anxious to go to him, because you wanted something to climb up to see him.” He said, “He made really a mess out of me.” In the night because this guru, his limbs are broken and hands are broken, so he goes on a tiger. So he said, “And this tiger came and pushed me into a ghat! And I was lying there about thirteen, fourteen feet down below, and this guru after three, four days lowered down some rotis, some breads to me, and he said, “Now eat it and stay there. And till you promise me that you will not go and trouble Mataji, I am not going to take you out of this place!” And then after two days he sent a few people to pick him up and brought. He said, “I am not here to take money from you. You cannot give me money, anything. But I will only teach you a good lesson!” He said, “I have had enough of it.” He said, “Now you take these legs around your neck, go dangling to Mataji, and She’s going to cure you. I am not going to cure you. And don’t come and tell me stories!” “Oh God” I said, “Look at this,” then of course we tried and worked on him, that’s a different point. But this is what it is. He said he wants technique, so he gave him a technique. Another fellow who was like this, a doctor, he was troubling me, and I didn’t tell him, but he felt that he should go and see this guru. And for one month he made this fellow clean a Shiva’s temple, taking the water seven miles every day, morning and evening: with one bucket cleaning in Shiva’s temple! And doctor came back, he was so thinned down, absolutely exhausted. I said, “What’s the matter?” He said, “I was cleaning Shiva’s temple for a month!” So when I met this guru I asked him, “Why did you do that to him?” He said, “For a donkey, you better give donkey’s job! It’s no use telling them something of the higher life. They don’t want it. They want donkey’s life. So let them jump and do what they like. Let them be donkeys. Why should You try to give them [everything] so simple?” I was amazed at him. He said, “Mother, you are a Mother and you do what you like because this is your whim. But as far as we are concerned we are not going to give Realisation to anyone. I have given it to one, and he’s become a hopeless man.” So I went to see this gentleman one day, the one who took twenty-five years to get his Realisation. And because somebody, one of my disciples had to invite him. Now this fellow was smoking cigarettes like this, sitting before me and he was talking quite a lot, and there were girls and women pressing his feet and doing all kinds of things. Of course he got up, touched my feet. He sat down, then he started saying that, “Now why this [Gagangiri] Maharaj is coming to see you in Bombay? After all he should not leave his place. He has been there for a hundred and eight years,” this, that. I said, “Who are you to judge him? Why are you judging him? He’s your guru. Why should you judge him? He has given you Realisation.” “Yes, yes, he’s given me Realisation, I know. But I can also tell him something.” I said, “But what about your smoking? You are still on with the smoking.” “Oh, I don’t care. I am beyond everything!” I said, “All right.” Then I sat down watching him for a while. I said, “Now I am going home.” I said, “You apply this tika to me.” I said, “All right, first I will apply,” so I applied [to] him. I said, “Now you apply,” and I sucked his finger, this is Agnya’s finger of ego. I sucked his finger on my Agnya, and he went on “Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!” like that. He said, “Mother, Mother, Mother what you are doing?” I said, “Nothing, nothing. You are great, you are a realised-soul. Why should you shake before me? Why are you shaking? Why don’t you get all right? Why are you shaking?” He said, “No, no, no please stop it, stop it.” I said, “Now, first promise that you are not going to talk ill of your guru and stop all this nonsense of having women around and making money!” But then the person with whom he went, he swindled them completely, just imagine! And I asked this gentleman who met me at the airport, “Why did you give money to this man?” They said, “Mother, because he said, ‘See, I was shaking before Mother because I was giving power to Her!’” I said, “Such fools! Why did you give him the money? Why didn’t you ask me what was happening?” This is what it is. When you want technique, then in the market there are thousand and one to give you technique, anything. They may tell you that put this [candle] on your head, light this, and walk on the street. And you will find thousands of them walking like this, and the price of this [candle] will go up in the market, and people will be doing it. Any sort of nonsense they will give you, they would like to do it! For example, these people at Oxford Street: they are standing there, [the] Hareramas. They had cleaned their hair completely and applied those, what we call them shendis in India, I don’t know what you call. And they are sold in the market; do you know? Like all other wigs, they are sold as wigs there, and that is to applied there. And when they were dancing that was falling down, you know! And the dress and sari they were wearing was also falling down! And such foolish people. I said, “What do they think? By doing this, are they going to get God?” I said, “But why don’t you sit down and receive the blessings and why to do [this]?” They said, “But what’s wrong in clothes. What is the need to have clothes?” I said, “That’s not the point! What I am saying if by becoming naked, if you can become God, all the animals must go to God first, before you!” You must understand what should happen to you: is there should be a new dimension which must be enlightened within you. A new dimension must come into you. What about your own power: have you got you own powers? If you are spiritually evolved, you must have your own powers. This is like enslavement. I said, “What are our own powers?” I said, “Can you tell in this person where is the Kundalini?” They said, “No, we don’t know. We have never heard about it.” “Can you tell what are your centres catching? Can you tell where are his centres rising?” He said, “No, we cannot.” So I called him, I said, “Come along, have your Realisation.” One of them I got hold of, somehow or other brought him. I think he was not interested in Realisation at all. He was not at all interested. He was interested in exhibitionism. He wanted to exhibition himself in that Oxford Street that’s why he went there. Absolutely that’s true. Otherwise, if he was, he would have said, “All right, if you are saying ‘I am giving you Realisation,’ let me have it!” He said, “How can that be so silly?” I said, “What silly? I said, “How can it be silly?” I said, “The wisest”. But must be somebody else is silly to see things which are silly. Like mad people: if you go to a lunatic asylum they think you all are mad. Once our prime minister went to a lunatic asylum and one lunatic came and started talking to him very nicely. He said, “How are you? When did you come here? And who are you?” So he said, “I am Jawaharlal Nehru, I am the prime minister of India.” He said, “All right, all right, you’ll be all right also. I used to say the same thing.” (laughter) But how do you judge whether you are right or wrong? Where are you? The judgment comes when you have the dimension to judge. When you are Realised you can judge. You can say what chakras are catching. When Self-realisation comes in, you know all about these centres and you know all about these channels; about yourself and about others. The collective consciousness becomes an actualisation; it becomes part and parcel of you. Like an egg when it gets transformed, you really get a bird! It’s not just “blah, blah, blah.” You just get to see the bird with its wings and everything. A transformation takes place. Your awareness must have that actual dimension within itself, inside. Not outside by developing your some sort of a horn or wearing some sort of a bushy hair. It’s something that happens to you within where…(break in recording)…comes through when you start judging yourself. But God is compassion. He’s love. He gives you [the] chance, all the powers to clear yourself and cleanse yourself. But nobody can help a person who is so dump founded or mesmerised or who is such a, I would say, unintelligent person; who doesn’t understand that something has to happen to your awareness. Then only you have achieved something. For days in and days out they are going and going and going and achieving nothing. Somebody told me, “Oh, they are people who love each other very much.” “How do you know?” “They kiss each other quite a lot.” I said, “What is there?” Any licentious society you find such kissing going on. For example if you go to France, I mean, it’s horrifyingly kissing society, I tell you. Everybody has a right to kiss everyone they feel like. I mean, it’s sometimes so much that you really get frightened of the whole thing: anybody can come and kiss you, anybody is supposed to… I mean, I don’t know how it works out but it’s so. So I said, “What is, so [great] in kissing? There’s no love!” Love is a thing which is not expressed in that way, but which works, which flows. It’s a power which acts, just like the sun’s rays. Sun’s rays come and act on the leaves. In the same way the love flows and acts on the Kundalini, and it gives Realisation to others. It transforms your life. You become a different person altogether. You become a master of yourself when you overpower everything. Of course some are, I would call them, lame people, so they need little more time. Some are very fast ones and some are so quick that they once get it, they never lose it. And then the real growth of the new personality starts in which you start enjoying that bliss which is promised. All that is said before has to be proved today — every thing. Now like we went to one of the Protestant Church meeting. I mean Catholics and Protestants and all sorts of things, you know! I am facing, mullahs and priests and this and that. But these people they said, “We believe in Christ.” I said, “Very good! That’s a very good thing to do, is to believe in Christ, thank God. At least there is no anarchist or somebody who is anti-Christ I am facing here! But,” I said, “where is Christ?” “He’s everywhere.” I said, “All right. But how do you contact Him?” Everywhere there is ether, everywhere there are pictures, everywhere there is music, but how do you get them in the television? How do you contact? He is placed in a centre within us and we can prove it, through the Kundalini awakening, that Christ is there. Because when Kundalini reaches that centre, the centre which is on the optic thalamus, which controls the pituitary and the pineal body, [that], in that centre, resides Christ can be proved through Kundalini awakening. Because when Kundalini arrives at that point and it does not pierce, you have to take the name of Christ and then Kundalini moves on. But not the person who is not realised, the one who is realised can only do it. So there are two types of people you find in Sahaja Yoga, is the people who are realised and those who are not realised. Now here the conflict starts that people who are realised can shock other people because they say some things very positively. They say that, “See, this is wrong, you should give up these things. This is not going to lead you anywhere.” And they look just like as you are but they know about your chakras. And when they tell you, you get angry with them and half of them leave, but that’s not the way. One should know that they are just trying to help you. They were just the same as you were. Maybe even worse than you were or maybe much worse than you were but today they have reached the place from where they can feel you. And you are also going to do the same, so there is nothing to be shocked about or to be angry with. But there’s tremendous difference in any artificial type of technique and the real is this that they know what it is. If you tie the eyes of ten people or ten young people who are realised-souls, two are sitting here, they all of them will say the same thing. For example, if you ask them, where is this gentleman catching? They will show the same finger. And this is such a subjective thing, such a thing as your own, which has no whims, nothing. It’s absolutely definite. Now the last point which I would like to cover today is that, as a result of Sahaja Yoga: this is the chocolate on the castor oil, we can say. The advantage of Sahaja Yoga is felt immediately, immediately. First of all physical ailments get cured. Now for your information I may have to say this that in ten minutes Sahaja Yoga cured the cancer of our President Sanjeev Reddy in India; in ten minutes. Cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Sahaja Yoga - it’s a fact. For example, now doctors have reached the stage to say that cancer is caused by some protein matter which attacks us from the areas which are within us, which are built within us since the Creation. Now within us what are these areas, let us see. On the left hand side of this Ida Nadi or this blue line is the collective subconscious. On the right hand side of this yellow line which is called as the Pingala Nadi is the collective supra-conscious. Below is the Hell. On top is the super-consciousness which we call as Self-realisation because this is the seat of the Spirit, which is manifested in the heart. These are the areas, of course doctors don’t know. But whatever the psychologists start talking like blind people can be easily seen through when the lights are on. For example, from the left side and the right side I have always said there are entities which attack you. Those who disappeared in the Creation went out of circulation because they were not good for our evolution, they all exist there. Say, there are some vegetables which form viruses, there are some birds, some animals and many human beings who exist on both the sides. On the right hand side are the people who are very ambitious, who dealt with material things and who try to overpower matter and tried all kinds of tricks. These are the people who are still there existing within us. When we try to go to the extremes, either to the left or to the right, by any one of these techniques, we get caught up. And when this thing happens, these proteins, so-called ’58 protein’ and number some sort of 56, all these are nothing but they are entities. They attack us and they trigger the cancer within us. And once this is triggered there is no way out because once you are in these areas, you’ll be attacked more and more, and the galloping state is established. For example, now let us take the case of blood cancer: a simple thing like blood cancer. It’s the most simple thing and is very simple to treat also. [Dr.] David Spiro is laughing at it! All right, how you get it? The spleen is the speedometer within us, spleen which is placed on the left hand side like a round ball. (No, on top a little bit. David can you come and show them? Yes, correct! We should put it in the Void only, so it’s better! Near the Void you can say.) Now spleen is managed by Swadishthan Chakra, which moves round and round the Void, you see. And it is the one which really sets our speed and pace: both things are done by the Swadishthana Chakra. But this poor spleen is creating blood cells for us. First of all if you think too much then the Swadishthana Chakra has to convert the fat cells for the use of the brain and it neglects the spleen, the liver, the pancreas, the kidneys and the uterus. But when it neglects the spleen, this is the first cause [of blood cancer], the primal cause we can call it. Secondly, those people who are supposed to be very speedy — those who think too much are speedy people also. They will eat their food with such a speed, I can tell you, that I have seen people that they can polish off things before…I mean, you see them there, and it’s finished! (laughter) They are so fast, and if I am sitting with them, I am really starving because I just can’t keep pace with them! Just you serve them, and it’s finished, it’s polished off! Then they will eat with that speed and immediately finishing that plate there and they run off for some other work. Now this poor spleen has to now create blood for the digestion, then suddenly the fellow runs out [so] it has to give the blood cells for it’s running. Then he sits down and he starts thinking. While running he is thinking. He is doing many things. We think our body is a multipurpose machine. So with one thing we will be brushing, with another thing we will be doing something else, with ears we will be doing something else, with nose we will be doing something else, with stomach we will be doing something else. Like that, the whole body is poor thing busy with multipurpose things: poor this body. And then this spleen becomes really mad! It goes bizarre, as you call it. It does not know what is wrong with the fellow. It does not know when it will jump and when it will go into some sort of a new activity. So it goes really bizarre, and then the cells that are created by it become malignant cells, and blood cancer is settled. But the third thing that really, that really, attacks it is one of these entities catching hold of these blood cells, and blood cancer is set in. And blood cancer can be very easily cured. I have seen now three cases, where doctors predicted that the patient is going to die within fifteen days, is still surviving after three years, quite hale and hearty! If you just pull your attention through Kundalini awakening and pierce it through here, the attention which is spread out on left and right and gone to the extreme like this, stretched, can be pushed out onto the super-consciousness, immediately all your attacks are finished. All of them are left high and dry in their own places, and you are cured. And that is how blood cancer can be cured very easily in Sahaja Yoga. But that doesn’t mean you think of all the blood cancer patients you have and bring them along here! That always happens. I would request you not to do that. You see, this happened at the time of Christ and it should not be repeated again. God is interested in curing people who are seekers, who are seeking God and not curing people who are not seeking. You do not look after a lamp which never is going to be enlightened; you just throw it in the junk! In the same way those who are seekers get their Realisation and get their cancer, all kinds of incurable diseases, diabetes this, that, lots of things, are cured. I mean [the list is] endless. So this is the first thing that happens: is physical. Then mental: you know there are some people who are here sitting today who were horribly epileptic. Some of them used to scream for three hours, thanks to some great gurus who have managed to polish off everything that they had. Who have managed to take away all their money, mesmerise them completely. And those who became epileptic falling on the street, even some of the children, who are here now today, who have been absolutely cured of epilepsy, madness, schizophrenia, all sort of diseases like that, because again the same thing happens to you that your attention goes into the super-consciousness, which is, collective consciousness. Collective consciousness gets enlightened within you, it becomes actualised. It gets manifesting itself. It’s such a wonderful instrument you are — a human being. You have no idea. Only thing is you have to be plugged to the mains. Like a television set, once it is plugged to the mains, it starts manifesting, you also start manifesting. Nothing that I do, I do not do anything. Actually really, it is something like everything is ready, and one enlightened light can enlighten another light! What is there to be done? You are just ready and you just receive your own powers. I don’t do anything. And why should one feel so hurt if I am doing it? It’s something surprising. Because a gentleman very seriously asked me, “Why you?” He was a doctor. I said, “Doctor, I will be thankful you come in my place. Here I am, I have to work till two o’clock in the night. I have to work so very hard, such a thankless job. You better do it! I’ll be very happy to be your disciple! And whatever you say, I am willing to do. You awaken the Kundalini of people!” He said, “But I cannot.” So I said, “That’s why I am here!” Unluckily I know this! Unfortunately I know it! Now what to do? That I am supposed to do. Now you are supposed to do many things which I cannot do. For example you can drive a car; I don’t know anything about it. I don’t understand your economics, I don’t understand your laws, I cannot understand anything that is supposed to be understood by a normal human being. But I understand Kundalini. If you ask me to open an ordinary packet of milk, I cannot! But I can open Kundalini. What to do now? I know that, so why should you feel so hurt about it? It’s me who was supposed to do it. And that’s the only problem, if you can overcome it. You know so many things and I don’t know so many things, then there won’t be any problem of ego coming in between. If I have to, say, do something, fixing up this, I’ll have to ask Douglas to do it. I do not know how to fix it. I may spoil it but I do not know how to use it. So this is what it is, as simple as that. And this has to be done. It was all promised. I have to do it. All this time has been promised. All this happening has been promised. This is your right to get it. You’d better get it. And you cannot pay for it; no question [of that]. It’s an insult. It is love. It’s not mercenary. It is love. You cannot pay for it. You cannot purchase me. I am quite an illusion also. I mean, I can be quite tricky so be careful about me. If you try to avoid me, I’ll avoid you hundred times, and you’ll go out of circulation. So be careful, because I am not that simple as I look. I am telling you beforehand, so be careful about it. But still you will forget because I look so simple, but I am not. I know so many things about you that I may try to just avoid you and I may really get you out of circulation for some time, till I have really sincere good people in here who get their Realisation, and then later on we can try these people who have gone out of circulation. It works out that way. Many of time Sahaja yogis think that we have very few people coming to Sahaja Yoga. I said, “That has to be because this is real work.” This is not that you become an organisation member of somebody and you are certified, “All right, you are a Sahaja yogi.” There is nothing like that. It has to happen. The Kundalini has to come. You have to feel the vibrations. It is a happening. Unless and until it happens you cannot give false certificate. It’s not like plastic flowers, it is a real flower. And for the real flower to come in, it takes time, doesn’t matter. I mean we cannot give a false certificate. So the second thing that happens is emotional thing. Third thing is spiritual. We can say that spiritually you understand Sahaja Yoga. You understand what mistakes you have committed, what wrong people you have been to. Immediately you understand. You find it out. And also you are told each and every secret: how to do it, how to raise the Kundalini. You can raise Kundalini. Only if the Kundalini has crossed up to Agnya, you can raise the Kundalini. As soon as you get your Realisation, you can give Realisation to others because of [the] emergency: we have to give Realisation to thousands and thousands and millions and millions. You can give Realisation to people. There are all these people have given Realisation. Not only that, you can cure people. And you can know as to how you are progressing: where you are, what are the chakras, where they are placed on your fingers, where they come, every thing you can know. It’s all inside not outside. And it should happen to all of you. After all I am here only for that job. I’ll work very hard, and I have been working very hard, everyone knows that. But you have to also understand to co-operate a little bit. Take your Realisation. After Realisation you will have to work hard also. But before Realisation just leave it to people who are realised. Like, when you don’t know swimming, it’s better to leave it to people who know swimming. Once you learn swimming, you also teach others. There’s nothing like inferiority, superiority, and all that. It’s not that. So just face it as simple people, not with all this misidentification with ego. Now somebody was raising the Kundalini like that, so one gentleman walked off, I said, “Why?” He said, “Why is he doing like this?” I said, “But you do not know.” Supposing there is a person who is trying to help you swimming, he puts his hand under your belly: you can get angry with that person, “Why are you doing that?” I mean, he’s making you to float. But this is what it is. You do not know the technique which these people know. You will also know the technique of Kundalini, which is a living technique, because you are not yet living. When you become realised, you will be knowing because the power will flow from your hand. You can feel it on your hands, the cool breeze flowing. But there’s only one warning to all our western seekers, which I always give: that you are great saints, I know you are seekers, you are very genuine and you are honest, everything is there. But you have one defect is that you think about everything. Even you have organised God, you have organised about Him. You have already preconceived ideas about Him — all this is there. And anybody who tries to play some tricks with you, you are very happy with that person and you are going along with that person very nicely. But here it is you who has to know, it is you who has to achieve, it is you who has to judge. Nobody is going to say that you are all right unless and until you say you are all right. It is you who have to believe into it. So what happens that after Realisation the Kundalini rises and She pierces this fontanel bone area where you get your baptism. You can even feel the cool breeze coming from your head, actually you can feel it. But then you forget the experience, you go home and start thinking about it. As soon as you start thinking, the whole thing comes down, because it is beyond thinking. The happening is beyond thinking: without thinking it has happened. By thinking Kundalini doesn’t rise. So just allow it to work out. When it works out, you will be surprised [that] it’s flowing. Supposing there is electricity coming and the electricity comes in, you see the light flickering. If you start thinking about it, do you think you’ll get back the light? No! You have to put the connection right. It’s something like that. So thinking gives you ramblings, people are lost [in that]. Then they come back. And once, after Realisation if you lose it, it takes time, it takes time. It’s a headache to me and headache to you. Many people do that way but please don’t do it. After all you are seekers of ages. Why should you waste your energy and time and mine also. Be sensible and wise, get your Realisation and get to it. Give up all your misidentifications. All these are misidentifications. And do not reach that point where you become helpless and you have to give up these misidentifications. Because I told one person I told that, “Your guru is not all right,” and he wouldn’t believe me, because his Void was catching. Then he got epileptic, he got sick, then he came to me. It took me three months to work on him. So the whole process of emancipation is slowed down, and that’s how you pull down the forces of Divinity. There are so many things one can say. As you know there are lectures and lectures, and Douglas has so many tapes and in London itself I have done so much. And to understand why London and why England, you better read “Milton” by William Blake. He has prophesied all this that is going to happen. That England is going to be the Jerusalem. That it is going to be the pilgrimage. It has described everything that is Sahaja Yoga. It’s a wonderful prophesy, you better read it to understand. It is even described where the ashram would be in Lambeth Vale. It has described that first it will start in Surrey Hills where I first came and stayed. And he has described in the end how the Virgin Herself is going to work it out, how the Mother is going to work it. It’s all beautifully done. So you had such a great poet like Blake, who has already guided you. Better take guidance from them. Another is Shakespeare who was another great realised-soul who showed the futility of nonsense of this so-called romanticism and all this. So be sensible about it, be wise. You have a great heritage. Your Stonehenge and all these things, I have talked about it, what are these. This place has been worked out by many saints before, and today you are born here. You are here to achieve your highest. There is a purpose behind it. As I said that England is the heart of the universe, no doubt, it is the heart, that’s why I am here. I didn’t come as an immigrant or anything. I came because my husband got elected to this post and I came here. That was all organised. And I am just there because of that, and you’ll be happy to know he has been re-elected again for five years so I am going to be here five years more. And then England being the heart, we have to be very careful because everything articulates through heart, and the Spirit lives in the heart. England is the heart, India is the Kundalini and Europe is the liver. Now see the contradiction: Kundalini, where Kundalini is in India people are sleeping. Kundalini is sleeping; where Europe, where the liver is, where the attention is, people are drunkards, they are drinking, the liver is gone! Where the heart is England, it is lethargic. Tell me now: what am I to do? This is the situation in which we are, so we have to rise to the occasion and achieve our goal. England is very important, very, very important, and I am going to work very hard here, no doubt. But you all have to help me and understand that the time has come now to get what you have been seeking. All of you should achieve what you have been seeking, right now. May God Bless you. I would like you to ask me some questions. But don’t ask controversial questions like: “I read in this book, that book…” Then somebody has been to some far-fetched place, “What do you think of this guru and that guru?” I am not going to get into controversies. So don’t ask me about any guru, you will find out yourself. Ask some sensible questions about Realisation. Seeker: If you feel yourself to be completely blocked, if there’s nothing you can do. What do you do? Shri Mataji: You leave it to me. I am quite a master in this. I have had all kinds of blocks: mountains after mountains. You don’t know how much I have gone through. I have become now an expert. You are not such a block, at least as far as you are concerned, so don’t worry. You see, I have worked hard for years to study all the permutations, combinations. I used to enter into the Kundalini and into the…to find out what are the blockages. And I know how to find the way out. You just leave it to me. But later on when you get it, everything I will tell you, every secret about it. Everything I am going to tell you, and you are going to become the master yourself. That’s what it is. What kind of blockage you are fearing? Seeker: Some kind of fear. Shri Mataji: Fear is very simple to conquer. You see, it is because of conditionings. People are … I don’t know why they do it, this I cannot explain. Human beings are very difficult. Like in France they said, “Mother, if you say you are a happy person, they’ll think you are naïve.” I said, “Why?” “Because [they think] you do not know any problems. So you have to be a very unhappy person. You have to show you are unhappy. Your cheeks must go inside like this; you must look absolutely like a prisoner of Ceylon.” I said, “Really?” They said, “If you go like this, Mother, in such a happy mood, they will never take you seriously!” I said, “But I don’t think.” They said, “We must suffer. That’s what they want.” I said, “But why? Christ has suffered for you, now why do you want to suffer?” But they say these things. Actually you know, it is with these people I have seen they say. I said, “If it is so, you are people having prostitutes on the streets, lined up together. You have pubs on the other side. You have gay, this thing and nonsensical things all over. You are unhappy. You are making everybody extremely unhappy.” I said, “I am unhappy because I see this kind of thing going on here, and you are saying that you are unhappy. You are not unhappy at all, you are just escaping it.” Also so the fear is another sort of a conditioning on you. It comes to you [such] that you think, “I will have to lose something.” No, you blossom into something. Because you are beautiful. I see that beauty and I see that Spirit and you are that. And the fear that you have is because you cannot see it. It’s just a conditioning. You just blossom into it. Did you read any one of these horrible books on Kundalini? That’s it! That’s very simple to overcome. I’ll tell you what: a villager comes to the city, he has never seen electricity and he puts his two fingers in the plug! [It’s] like that. They are absolutely unauthorised. You know, they do not know what Kundalini is. I was amazed. There’s a big book like that, and he says the Kundalini is in the stomach! I said, “Now what to do?” And he’s written a big book like that, you see. They are naïve first of all, they are unauthorised, they are unholy. Everybody cannot do Kundalini’s job. You have to be an authorised person from God and you have to be holy person. Specially a gentleman, I know, who has written a book, he leads such a horrible private life. He’s such a money-minded fellow. He talks of Kundalini, I was surprised. He’s taking money from everyone and he’s leading such a horrible life and he’s spoiling women and doing all kinds of things and raping them. And he is telling that my Kundalini rose and it troubled me like this, and it will. Kundalini doesn’t trouble actually [it’s] this Deity sitting there on the first chakra - Shri Ganesha. He is the Deity of innocence, who incarnated as Jesus Christ. He only thrashes such people who try to handle Kundalini. Even they try to put your innocence, which looks after your sex onto the Mother. Just imagine what a sinful thing it is. Innocence is the one that is your special power. That’s why people are not even spontaneous now in sex. They just think about it. Do you know the latest numbers of people who are impotent in the West? And do you know, in Switzerland itself, out of five families only one family can produce children - they are impotent. If you think about sex, you can become impotent. All the spontaneity is lost. And here people are getting sophisticated with it. Either you become a rapist or you become absolutely an impotent person. Either you go the right or to the left. So these people who talk about Kundalini have no sense of proportion, they have lead a very bad life, they are unholy people. They have no sense of holiness, righteousness. I mean righteousness is the thing. When I talk of righteousness they think I am a Victorian, you see. So I said, “I am not only Victorian, I am even much earlier - I am ancient.” But that is what it is. But I do not say you become righteous or anything — nothing out of the kind — because that’s a difficult task. What I say you is you get your Realisation. [Then] automatically you will do it, automatically. Because the religion, what we call is the religion or the righteousness gets enlightened within you, [so] you just cannot do it. So I am not going to tell you. I said I am tricky. I will just raise your Kundalini. You yourself will give up. I don’t say you give up your drugs, nothing, but you just give up. I don’t say you give up your drinks. I do not say you give up your cigarettes. There are many who have given up completely because they have found the absolute! All right? In the same way your fears will also disappear but do not think of them. Just now you are sitting before a very powerful person. Don’t you worry. Alright? Is there any question? One more, and then I will do the thing. Anyone? Seeker: Mother, Mother, you mentioned about emergency, what did you mean? Shri Mataji: Are you already frightened? I said ‘emergency’ because the Last Judgment has started. In the atmosphere it is. No earthquakes for you, all right? Can’t you see [that] there is emergency, people want to have it, and you can feel the emergency, everywhere there’s a talk about it. Everyone knows there is some sort of an atmosphere of emergency. Everybody is running fast, nobody knows why. You don’t worry, you are a realised-soul. Emergency is that you give more Realisation to East End (of London) people! (laughing) All right? So, anymore, no, all right. Now, why I have asked you to ask questions, that after this don’t ask any questions, just have it. If you are hungry, you will just get it. And I would request you to put out your shoes and put your feet on the ground. I don’t need really but I am just doing it to please you people. It’s all right, I can manage. Because they will say, “Why don’t You take out your shoes?” you know. All right, so, put your hands towards me, straight like this, and you have to close your eyes. That’s very important, that you must close your eyes. Now, why? Because the Kundalini when it rises above the Agnya, if your eyes are not closed, it does not rise because there is dilatation of the pupil that takes place, and it stops there. But maybe your eyes may be flickering possibly, then you open your eyes and watch me. In case that they are not flickering, then it’s all right. Now some of you may feel a little heat, and if Sahaja yogis tell you something, you just listen to them, don’t get angry with them. It’s for your good. If they tell you to remove something or do something, it’s better to listen to them. Just put both your hands towards me. Just like that. Just see if there is flickering in your eyes. It’s a funny thing today: the centre you are catching is Left Nabhi. And you have to decide one thing that you have to marry sometime because there are great souls who are to be born, and we have to give them parents who are realised-souls. If you are not yet married just say that, “Mother, we’ll marry,” that’s all. It will work out. Still Left Nabhi is there. Also the marriage institution has to be put right because, if these great souls are to be born, we have to give them a nest, a family where they are to be born. Otherwise poor Indians will have to bear all the children of the world! Because of this emergency many people are taking birth, and they would not like to be born in a place where the parents are killing the children or where the parents are quarrelling among themselves and every day they are having a divorce. So poor Indians they have to take the load upon themselves. Marcus close your eyes. Close your eyes Linda. Close your eyes. It doesn’t go over your Hamsa. Close your eyes. Put your attention to your Sahasrara. Void is there and Left Nabhi. (End of recording)	null	null	null	“Why are we seeking our Spirit?” Public Programme, Friends Meeting House, 120 Heath St, Hampstead, London (UK), 23 October 1980. Today somebody came from India and told me that, “You better change the name Sahaja Yoga into some other name. So I said, “What about Maha Yoga?” And he liked it very much. He said, “Now people are taking Sahaj Yoga as their own and they are using it for their own purpose.” I said, “Very good idea. If they are using it, is even better! Because the word itself suggests that this union has to be spontaneous. They have to give a spontaneous union. If they claim it, they have to do it. If they are not doing it, then it is wrong. It’s very simple!” But he said, “In any case Sahaj Yoga does not denote the dimension which it has reached: that people are getting en-masse Realisation.” Moreover he said that people don’t understand that the time has come for thousands of people to get their Realisation. Perhaps we are not aware [of] what time we are born. So many people are seeking God. Never in the history before there was such a multitude which was seriously seeking God, and honestly wanting to get their union. Only in the modern times you find they are very honest, very sincere; and they are born seekers. I mean their quality is that they are seekers; their temperament is that they are seekers. They are not satisfied with anything else but seeking. Why this is happening? We have to think about it. Why people are not satisfied with what they have? Why are they not seeking now the materialism or the powers which are other than the Divine Power? Why do they want that they should know their Spirit? What is the reason? Why such an upsurge? And why people, like mad, are following anyone who comes across? To try every method and experiment with everything to get that bliss and joy. You know [that], from ancient times, people have been talking about your rebirth. Even at the time of Rama, one disciple called as Nachiketa, went to the father-in-law of Rama, whose name was Raja Janaka, and asked Him that, “Give me Self-knowledge.” And Nachiketa was very, very anxious, very much wanting to be the Spirit. But Janaka put him to many, many tests. And the conversation between them is very interesting. So one individual is mentioned in those days — I mean that’s a long time back, Rama’s time — who was seeking. Even at the time of Christ there was, we would say, John the Baptist who talked of baptism. But as far as seeking is concerned, in the multitude, there was no such urge, there was not that seeking as you find today. So there must be something in the atmosphere. Then another thing is that we are trying to save time. We must have watches. We must see that [watch] after every ten minutes. Oh, we have to save time. We cannot waste time. I mean, supposing somebody has to go to India, then a date is fixed, and then he must go by that plane, particular plane. If that plane is missed, he thinks he’s lost the world! Time-saving is another urge within us. Why do we want to save time? Why this urge from the unconscious is so strong that we must save time? Is there something going wrong or something is going to happen? Or is there some urgency or emergency which you feel in the time itself? Because, in the olden times, nobody used to worry so much about time. So what is the reason for this kind of time-saving today? We can see very clearly that there are genuine seekers. There are seekers because of the faction around. And there are people who do not seek; who are quite satisfied with whatever mundane life they are leading, or whatever ambitions they have other than seeking. But the genuine seekers are so many in number that we have to find out why this genuine seeking is working so much. And you are so restless about it, so anxious that, without the seeking, you are not satisfied. You are willing to give up everything that is on this Earth with you, or whatever is your own so-called possessions, but you want to seek yourself. That’s a fact; it’s absolutely honest. There’s no doubt about it. But why there is seeking? It is because the Last Judgment has started. The Last Judgment has started now. Many great souls are taking birth. It is very common these days, you talk to anyone about his child [and] they will tell two things: Either he is a grand old man, some ancient figure born in the family and every word he speaks is wisdom. Or the other thing they may tell you is that he’s a monster, he’s good for nothing, he is useless. Nothing in between! Now this happening also was very uncommon. Now we have seen, so many of you, who are Sahaj Yogis, that so many children are born-realised. I mean, when I was born, I found very, very few people. Except for my father I couldn’t find anyone who was born-realised. And there were many fakirs and saints, who came to our house, or we went to see them, and I found that their Kundalini was all frozen. They may be calling themselves saints or whatever it is. But I was amazed that there was no companionship with them because you couldn’t talk [to them]. They were at a very low level of evolution and they were just trying to make money or give some sort of technique or some sort of a blah, blah, blah. Even then it was so. But innately in a country like India people know what to seek, what to find. Now, because of your righteous life in previous births, I believe, maybe, or whatever it is: as a blessing of that you are born in these countries where there is affluence, where your attention does not go to material things so much, but to higher things. And then you start thinking that all this is a waste, a junk and we are not going to carry the junk of our parents on our heads. Some sort of feeling crawls up and you start seeking. In England I don’t know how many children I have seen who are born-realised, of a very high quality. Such great souls are taking birth on this Earth. Why? It never happened before. And within these ten years’ time, such a tremendous in-flow of these great souls is felt that one has to realise that there is a kind of an emergency. This emergency is felt also even in those people who are not yet seeking. They are so speedy; they are so anxious; they get into stress and they get into tensions. If you ask your forefathers who had gone out to wars: they never had tensions. They would kill ten people and sleep off nicely without thinking about it. They didn’t even have the sensitivity that you have, that compassion and that understanding. With this growth within, or we can say, with this urge within, also there are many things that have happened outside that you can see very clearly: is that a consciousness has come, a collective awareness has come, as to the idea of cruelty, wars and also domination of other people. Perhaps none of you could be as old as I am here. I have seen this working out. People are so much changed in their ideas. There’s such a revolution that you cannot think [of] a person like Christ, today to be born and to be crucified. Of course you may misunderstand. You may not like Him because He’s a carpenter’s son, He’s too simple, He talks of spontaneity; He doesn’t give you any technique; He doesn’t take any money from you; He doesn’t organise. You may not like Him, and you may deny Him also thinking that He’s just useless, but you cannot crucify [Him]. Under any law you cannot do it. Imagine what a development of society has also taken place! And we understand what is wrong. For example now, Afghanistan was invaded: everybody, everyone in the whole world, was feeling that it was wrong. When one of the satellites was falling, and there were some astronauts caught up in that, the whole world was watching. I mean, they were not Indians and they were not Egyptians, but everywhere people were watching that they should come down safely. Everybody was praying in their own way that, “Oh God, they must be safe!” Because of the development outside we are so much connected with each other: there’s such an articulation of our thoughts and our ideas and our feelings and our sensitivities that, anything happens in any part of our country, we do feel, in any part of the world, we feel; anywhere anything happens to someone, we feel it. So our collectivity has also become sharper and sensitive. It’s a remarkable time we are born in. You are very fortunate and lucky people. And your age group specially is specially blessed because, at this time, you are well-read, you know all about it and you are just there to understand and get it. But, as I said, that, in a country like India where, from ancient times, there has been a big search within, much more known to them were the truths of life. They knew what they were seeking, they knew what they had to seek and what is to expect in your seeking. Though I would say India is today sleeping compared to you people. You are awake, you are definitely awake. Those who know what to seek are sleeping; those who are awake do not know what to seek. It’s a funny situation! But we can understand it by understanding one fact, that, when the tree grows outside too much we must know that the roots must have grown down deep, otherwise the tree cannot be sustained. If, in the West, we have grown very much outside, in the East maybe one or two roots, maybe, have gone deep down to find out the source to sustain this tree. For me, east and west doesn’t exit. Nor does it exist for anything that is Divine. It’s a human conception of east and west and these countries and all that. It’s only one map, a beautiful picture God has created. Only human beings think that we are different and they are different. Of course He has created varieties just to create the joy of beauty. But He never created east, west, north, south and the difference between the people. That’s our own conception. [But], whatever it is, definitely in the growth there are two types of people: one are the people who are growing outside, extroversion is much more, people are seeking outside, and there are people who are seeking inside. I would say like the Pisces, you see, they have two fishes: one fish is seeking inside and one fish is seeking outside. In the same way the whole universe looks to me that some are seeking outside and some are seeking inside. Now those who are seekers of the Divine must take some guidance from people who have found out something before. For example, I had a big discussion with a gentleman who said, “This is occidental and this is that…” and all. I asked him, “Who was Christ? Was He born in England or in America? Why did you accept Him?” I mean He has to be born somewhere! After all, either He’ll be born in the East or in the West. Supposing He’s born in the West: so the Eastern people should say that, “Because He was born in the West, we’ll reject Him.” He is born in the East so Western people should say, “We will reject Him because He was born in the East!” This is absurd! I mean, a person can be born in one place only, he cannot be born everywhere. He has to be born somewhere. But these kind of localised identifications have led to lots of problems in the minds of people. As scientists we have to keep our mind very, very open to understand what search people have made in the inner being, to find out what are we made of, why are we here, why did we get our evolution from amoeba to this stage, where have we to reach. We have to understand the other side of the picture. And [it’s] much more necessary for people who are now seeking that which was found out in the East. And Eastern people are seeking that which you have found out here. They are getting developed, you see, they are now getting sophisticated. While you are trying to find out something which they had found out without much sophistication. In the ancient times, a long, long time back, we had three types of people working out the seeking. The first type I would say were the people who were on the left hand side of this Primordial Being which you see there with a blue line . Have you something to show them? This blue line is the representative of a channel called Ida Nadi. And this channel was discovered thousands of years back in India. This channel represents the power of desire within us. And the desire reached such a subtle form that there was a desire to meet God, to be one with your Spirit; that’s the last desire. And this desire became what you call as the power of devotion or dedication or for asking, “Oh Lord, when are we going to meet? You must come, and we are waiting for You,” and all such things which shows that people believed that there was some Superior Power and that we had to receive the help from that Superior Power. This was one side or one type of people who existed. And the other side [that] you see is the yellow line: this is the power of our action. The channel is called as Pingala channel. These are all very subtle channels inside our spinal cord. This Pingala channel expressed in the people who went into action. Now the power of action in the West, I think, is a later manifestation of the way people acted in India. By this power they try to find out the mysteries of the matter. As you know matter is made of five elements. So they wanted to know how to overpower the matter; how to harness it, how to use it. And they tried to find out which are the Deities which are ruling the material side of life. For example, which is the Deity for the sea, what is the Deity for water, what is the Deity for Sun, Moon and other stars, and all those things. And Greeks, I think, went further with it, very much further, and they got into a wrong path and they got lost. But this was the search where people tried to excite or to master the methods by which you could control all these five elements. And this method is expressed in our Vedas. ‘Vida’ means ‘to know’; and the Vedas are the expressions of all the mantras which were used to harness the matter. The result of that is, today, what we feel, is science: that, through that, now science is manifested as knowledge to us. But first they tried to, say, overpower the fire. Now there is one way of overpowering the fire: is from outside to use the fire for cooking, for this, that, all sorts of things. Or there could be a method by which you find out the Deity that rules the fire. If you can excite the Deity that rules the fire and can control that Deity or you are connected with that Deity, then you can manage to use the fire the way you like. So the second type of people who went into these mantras and yAgnyas and all these things: they did the fire ceremonies and tried to control the Sun, Moon and all sort of things; they were interested [in that]. But now the third type of people, who existed in the centre, in the central path. This path is called as the Sushumna path, and this path is responsible for our evolution from amoeba to this stage. Because of this power within us, to evolve, we became human beings. Why did we become human beings? Nobody asks! We should ask some questions! All the scientists must ask questions [such as]: Why did we become human beings? Why some animals were discarded, and why we are supposed to be on top of all the evolutionary process? And now what is our goal? Why are we there? What are we to achieve? This central path is a very, very important path for us, for Sahaja Yoga, because, by these different chakras that there are, the one is the lower one, then the second, the third and the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh: these seven chakras denote vertically our evolution — vertically. And horizontally they express our physical, mental, emotional being. The first chakra is very important. This chakra is the centre of Mooladhara. ‘Mooladhara’ means ‘the support of the root’. This centre is the centre of our innocence. The first thing that was created on this Earth was innocence. Innocence is the first power that was created. And that’s what we had to preserve first of all. That was the most important thing to preserve: is our innocence. Now you will be surprised that this centre is placed under the Kundalini, not above the Kundalini. Kundalini is above that. Now this Kundalini is the power which is placed in the sacrum bone, nowhere else. I mean people can tell you, I have heard the other day, he was saying, that, “We believe the Kundalini is here.” I said, “You can believe it, it is here! I mean, but by believing it is not there!” Because what you see is the pulsation of Kundalini in this area. When Sahaja Yoga starts, in many people, with the naked eyes, you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini in this area, on people who have got some obstruction. Those who are all right they just get their Realisation without any difficulties. But [with] those who have obstruction, many of you have seen the pulsation in the sacrum bone. And imagine this bone is called ‘sacrum’! ‘Sacrum’ means ‘sacred’. So they knew that there was something in it. Even the Greeks, I think. Latin is not Greek, but we can say in Latin language it is called as sacred. So the sacred bone was containing this Sacred Power within us known as ‘Kundalini’. This is the primule, is the germinating power within us. Now this fact has been accepted for thousands of years in India and elsewhere. In the Bible also it is said that Moses saw the tree of fire. That tree of fire is nothing but the whole Kundalini instrument. They talk of the Tree of Life: that is the same as this. In the Bible it is said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames,” [this] is nothing but these centres. And these centres, you can see clearly within yourself, look like living flames as these are. But these are static, and they are moving and living. So this is the thing that is being described in our ancient books, in all the scriptures. Even in Koran they have described as ‘Ruh’, R-U-H, ‘Ruh’. ‘Ruh' means the cool breeze, the cool breeze. The Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost is described in the Bible also. You cannot suddenly start a new idea about something. If it is an evolutionary process, if it is a living process, it must have its background, its history and it must culminate into something fruitful. Like every fruit has a tree behind it and roots behind it. You cannot just come out from somewhere and say, “See now, I have created a fruit! Now this fruit can become like this.” It has no meaning. It must be a plastic fruit. It cannot be a real fruit. If it is a living fruit it has to come out of the tree. That has existed for thousands and thousands of years and out of that this tree has to come. It must have the base. And this is traditionally called as the Kundalini awakening process. Now, this was done, as I told you, there was only one person at the time of Rama, Nachiketa who tried to find it. Yoga Vasishtha was a realised-soul, no doubt, but he did not give Realisation to anyone. Only Raja Janaka gave Realisation to one fellow called Nachiketa. Even Zen system in which people were supposed to get their Realisation: they said that nobody got Realisation except that there were twenty-six kashyapas. ‘Kashyapas’ means “realised-souls”. Only twenty-six, because I think it started about the sixth century. And for six centuries they had these kashyapas coming and going, one at a time. And after that they had none, they had none. So there are no realised-souls there either. Christ has said very clearly that, “You are to be born again.” I mean the whole message of Christ’s life is Realisation. Because Judaism talked of the dharma, of the sustenance, of maintenance of the balance in the centre. That also, like a tree, that was very important. But then Christ came on this Earth to show that you have to become the Spirit. By His resurrection He showed that. And this is the message of Christ. But in Christianity, I don’t know how many people are seeking. They think that by going to church every morning it’s finished. Same with the Indians where it was said in every scripture, even about Vedas the first thing is said that, “Through this knowledge if you cannot seek your Spirit, it’s all useless.” Then we had people like Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya, who was the person who tried to re-establish Hinduism. Who has said that, “Without getting Realisation, what’s this life?” “Na yogye, na sankhye.” (meaning: neither by ‘yoga’ nor ‘sankhya’ it is achieved’) By all this talking, blah, blah blahs, where are you going to lie? You have to get the grace of the Mother to get your Realisation. When he talked first of ‘Vivekachudamani’, a very big book he wrote, on treaties of Indian philosophy, people were amazed at his knowledge. But later on he just wrote ‘Saundarya Lahari’ which is just the description of the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost and of the Holy Ghost. And people said, “What are you doing? You are just praising the Holy Ghost and not writing any philosophy.” He said, “There is no philosophy. It’s a spontaneous thing which should happen to all of us, and just the praise is the way you get it.” Just imagine a person of his calibre. But what are the Hindus doing today is nothing but the same old-style techniques and ritualism and all nonsense; they are also lost. I mean there is such a pickle, made out of every great incarnation, that to me it was a shock to see how they have been able to spoil every incarnation into zero, and some sort of a nonsensical image of every incarnation who came on this Earth to emancipate, to give you a higher life, a higher awareness. So we come to the point where we have to think what we have to expect. The first thing is: if it is a living process, it has to be spontaneous. This is very difficult for people to understand: that it has to be spontaneous. For example, if this flower has to become the fruit, what is the technique? Do you stand before it for hours together or do you jump before it, or you stand on your heads [so] that it becomes? Anything spontaneous [that] you have seen, which is living, happens by itself. There is no technique. When I say there is no technique, people do not want to believe it, because technique they want. But you have taken for granted all these things, isn’t it? I mean, one day you are sleeping, you find that the blossom time has come, lots of flowers are there. One morning you get up you find most of the flowers have become fruits, and you take it for granted. Do you ask for a technique there? In the same way what technique did you employ to become human beings from amoeba? Say from monkey’s state to human beings: did you cut your tails to become human beings? Didn’t we become spontaneously that? It’s rather difficult to accept. But logically, you tell me, if it is a living process, what do we have do? It is impossible to explain to people that there is no technique. They must have a technique. Now why do we want to have a technique?Let us face ourselves. Because we think we must do something about it: if we are not doing anything about it, then how can we get it? Because we think whatever we have got in this world is through our effort, by working for it. But what have you got? You’ve got everything dead! Say for example, something is dead, these stones are dead and you have made a building out of it. So what? Dead from the dead! What have you got living with you? Have you got any living powers? Can you give life to a fruit or to a tree? You cannot. What have you achieved? Is only dead. With effort you can only achieve dead. Have you achieved anything living? If you put such a question to yourself then you will understand that living processes, we have to accept, are spontaneous: we cannot put any technique on it. As soon as we want to have technique, we must know this is our Mr Ego who wants to get satisfied. I have seen people doing that. For example I will give you a very concrete example of a gentleman who came to me and he said, “No, no. How can be it that be simple Mother? How can it be that simple?” I told him that, “See: your breathing is so simple. If you have to read books and go into techniques for your breathing, how many people would be living?” But he would not accept me. He said, “You must give us a technique otherwise we’ll not be happy.” Now there’s a very great realised-soul living in India but he is a very strict person, he’s not a Mother and he has no tolerance for any nonsense. So he had once told me, “If somebody troubles you, send the fellow over to me.” So I told him, “You go and see the guruji, such and such.” He was very enamoured that, “This gentleman has called me!” So he had to climb up seven miles up on a hill where this gentleman was sitting there. He went there, and he started talking, “Blah, blah, blah,” to him that, “See, Mother doesn’t give any technique to us and She’s just giving Realisation to every Dick, Tom and Harry and this and that!” He said, “Yah! Really, She’s doing wrong, isn’t it? All right, you be here and you eat your food and sleep here!” After a month I found the gentleman came to see me with both his legs round his neck, dangling in the air. I said, “What’s happened?” I mean, really tears came into my eyes and I said, “What’s happened? What this guru has done to him?” He came and started crying. He said, “Mother, never send me to that guru.” I said, “But you were very anxious to go to him, because you wanted something to climb up to see him.” He said, “He made really a mess out of me.” In the night because this guru, his limbs are broken and hands are broken, so he goes on a tiger. So he said, “And this tiger came and pushed me into a ghat! And I was lying there about thirteen, fourteen feet down below, and this guru after three, four days lowered down some rotis, some breads to me, and he said, “Now eat it and stay there. And till you promise me that you will not go and trouble Mataji, I am not going to take you out of this place!” And then after two days he sent a few people to pick him up and brought. He said, “I am not here to take money from you. You cannot give me money, anything. But I will only teach you a good lesson!” He said, “I have had enough of it.” He said, “Now you take these legs around your neck, go dangling to Mataji, and She’s going to cure you. I am not going to cure you. And don’t come and tell me stories!” “Oh God” I said, “Look at this,” then of course we tried and worked on him, that’s a different point. But this is what it is. He said he wants technique, so he gave him a technique. Another fellow who was like this, a doctor, he was troubling me, and I didn’t tell him, but he felt that he should go and see this guru. And for one month he made this fellow clean a Shiva’s temple, taking the water seven miles every day, morning and evening: with one bucket cleaning in Shiva’s temple! And doctor came back, he was so thinned down, absolutely exhausted. I said, “What’s the matter?” He said, “I was cleaning Shiva’s temple for a month!” So when I met this guru I asked him, “Why did you do that to him?” He said, “For a donkey, you better give donkey’s job! It’s no use telling them something of the higher life. They don’t want it. They want donkey’s life. So let them jump and do what they like. Let them be donkeys. Why should You try to give them [everything] so simple?” I was amazed at him. He said, “Mother, you are a Mother and you do what you like because this is your whim. But as far as we are concerned we are not going to give Realisation to anyone. I have given it to one, and he’s become a hopeless man.” So I went to see this gentleman one day, the one who took twenty-five years to get his Realisation. And because somebody, one of my disciples had to invite him. Now this fellow was smoking cigarettes like this, sitting before me and he was talking quite a lot, and there were girls and women pressing his feet and doing all kinds of things. Of course he got up, touched my feet. He sat down, then he started saying that, “Now why this [Gagangiri] Maharaj is coming to see you in Bombay? After all he should not leave his place. He has been there for a hundred and eight years,” this, that. I said, “Who are you to judge him? Why are you judging him? He’s your guru. Why should you judge him? He has given you Realisation.” “Yes, yes, he’s given me Realisation, I know. But I can also tell him something.” I said, “But what about your smoking? You are still on with the smoking.” “Oh, I don’t care. I am beyond everything!” I said, “All right.” Then I sat down watching him for a while. I said, “Now I am going home.” I said, “You apply this tika to me.” I said, “All right, first I will apply,” so I applied [to] him. I said, “Now you apply,” and I sucked his finger, this is Agnya’s finger of ego. I sucked his finger on my Agnya, and he went on “Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!” like that. He said, “Mother, Mother, Mother what you are doing?” I said, “Nothing, nothing. You are great, you are a realised-soul. Why should you shake before me? Why are you shaking? Why don’t you get all right? Why are you shaking?” He said, “No, no, no please stop it, stop it.” I said, “Now, first promise that you are not going to talk ill of your guru and stop all this nonsense of having women around and making money!” But then the person with whom he went, he swindled them completely, just imagine! And I asked this gentleman who met me at the airport, “Why did you give money to this man?” They said, “Mother, because he said, ‘See, I was shaking before Mother because I was giving power to Her!’” I said, “Such fools! Why did you give him the money? Why didn’t you ask me what was happening?” This is what it is. When you want technique, then in the market there are thousand and one to give you technique, anything. They may tell you that put this [candle] on your head, light this, and walk on the street. And you will find thousands of them walking like this, and the price of this [candle] will go up in the market, and people will be doing it. Any sort of nonsense they will give you, they would like to do it! For example, these people at Oxford Street: they are standing there, [the] Hareramas. They had cleaned their hair completely and applied those, what we call them shendis in India, I don’t know what you call. And they are sold in the market; do you know? Like all other wigs, they are sold as wigs there, and that is to applied there. And when they were dancing that was falling down, you know! And the dress and sari they were wearing was also falling down! And such foolish people. I said, “What do they think? By doing this, are they going to get God?” I said, “But why don’t you sit down and receive the blessings and why to do [this]?” They said, “But what’s wrong in clothes. What is the need to have clothes?” I said, “That’s not the point! What I am saying if by becoming naked, if you can become God, all the animals must go to God first, before you!” You must understand what should happen to you: is there should be a new dimension which must be enlightened within you. A new dimension must come into you. What about your own power: have you got you own powers? If you are spiritually evolved, you must have your own powers. This is like enslavement. I said, “What are our own powers?” I said, “Can you tell in this person where is the Kundalini?” They said, “No, we don’t know. We have never heard about it.” “Can you tell what are your centres catching? Can you tell where are his centres rising?” He said, “No, we cannot.” So I called him, I said, “Come along, have your Realisation.” One of them I got hold of, somehow or other brought him. I think he was not interested in Realisation at all. He was not at all interested. He was interested in exhibitionism. He wanted to exhibition himself in that Oxford Street that’s why he went there. Absolutely that’s true. Otherwise, if he was, he would have said, “All right, if you are saying ‘I am giving you Realisation,’ let me have it!” He said, “How can that be so silly?” I said, “What silly? I said, “How can it be silly?” I said, “The wisest”. But must be somebody else is silly to see things which are silly. Like mad people: if you go to a lunatic asylum they think you all are mad. Once our prime minister went to a lunatic asylum and one lunatic came and started talking to him very nicely. He said, “How are you? When did you come here? And who are you?” So he said, “I am Jawaharlal Nehru, I am the prime minister of India.” He said, “All right, all right, you’ll be all right also. I used to say the same thing.” (laughter) But how do you judge whether you are right or wrong? Where are you? The judgment comes when you have the dimension to judge. When you are Realised you can judge. You can say what chakras are catching. When Self-realisation comes in, you know all about these centres and you know all about these channels; about yourself and about others. The collective consciousness becomes an actualisation; it becomes part and parcel of you. Like an egg when it gets transformed, you really get a bird! It’s not just “blah, blah, blah.” You just get to see the bird with its wings and everything. A transformation takes place. Your awareness must have that actual dimension within itself, inside. Not outside by developing your some sort of a horn or wearing some sort of a bushy hair. It’s something that happens to you within where…(break in recording)…comes through when you start judging yourself. But God is compassion. He’s love. He gives you [the] chance, all the powers to clear yourself and cleanse yourself. But nobody can help a person who is so dump founded or mesmerised or who is such a, I would say, unintelligent person; who doesn’t understand that something has to happen to your awareness. Then only you have achieved something. For days in and days out they are going and going and going and achieving nothing. Somebody told me, “Oh, they are people who love each other very much.” “How do you know?” “They kiss each other quite a lot.” I said, “What is there?” Any licentious society you find such kissing going on. For example if you go to France, I mean, it’s horrifyingly kissing society, I tell you. Everybody has a right to kiss everyone they feel like. I mean, it’s sometimes so much that you really get frightened of the whole thing: anybody can come and kiss you, anybody is supposed to… I mean, I don’t know how it works out but it’s so. So I said, “What is, so [great] in kissing? There’s no love!” Love is a thing which is not expressed in that way, but which works, which flows. It’s a power which acts, just like the sun’s rays. Sun’s rays come and act on the leaves. In the same way the love flows and acts on the Kundalini, and it gives Realisation to others. It transforms your life. You become a different person altogether. You become a master of yourself when you overpower everything. Of course some are, I would call them, lame people, so they need little more time. Some are very fast ones and some are so quick that they once get it, they never lose it. And then the real growth of the new personality starts in which you start enjoying that bliss which is promised. All that is said before has to be proved today — every thing. Now like we went to one of the Protestant Church meeting. I mean Catholics and Protestants and all sorts of things, you know! I am facing, mullahs and priests and this and that. But these people they said, “We believe in Christ.” I said, “Very good! That’s a very good thing to do, is to believe in Christ, thank God. At least there is no anarchist or somebody who is anti-Christ I am facing here! But,” I said, “where is Christ?” “He’s everywhere.” I said, “All right. But how do you contact Him?” Everywhere there is ether, everywhere there are pictures, everywhere there is music, but how do you get them in the television? How do you contact? He is placed in a centre within us and we can prove it, through the Kundalini awakening, that Christ is there. Because when Kundalini reaches that centre, the centre which is on the optic thalamus, which controls the pituitary and the pineal body, [that], in that centre, resides Christ can be proved through Kundalini awakening. Because when Kundalini arrives at that point and it does not pierce, you have to take the name of Christ and then Kundalini moves on. But not the person who is not realised, the one who is realised can only do it. So there are two types of people you find in Sahaja Yoga, is the people who are realised and those who are not realised. Now here the conflict starts that people who are realised can shock other people because they say some things very positively. They say that, “See, this is wrong, you should give up these things. This is not going to lead you anywhere.” And they look just like as you are but they know about your chakras. And when they tell you, you get angry with them and half of them leave, but that’s not the way. One should know that they are just trying to help you. They were just the same as you were. Maybe even worse than you were or maybe much worse than you were but today they have reached the place from where they can feel you. And you are also going to do the same, so there is nothing to be shocked about or to be angry with. But there’s tremendous difference in any artificial type of technique and the real is this that they know what it is. If you tie the eyes of ten people or ten young people who are realised-souls, two are sitting here, they all of them will say the same thing. For example, if you ask them, where is this gentleman catching? They will show the same finger. And this is such a subjective thing, such a thing as your own, which has no whims, nothing. It’s absolutely definite. Now the last point which I would like to cover today is that, as a result of Sahaja Yoga: this is the chocolate on the castor oil, we can say. The advantage of Sahaja Yoga is felt immediately, immediately. First of all physical ailments get cured. Now for your information I may have to say this that in ten minutes Sahaja Yoga cured the cancer of our President Sanjeev Reddy in India; in ten minutes. Cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Sahaja Yoga - it’s a fact. For example, now doctors have reached the stage to say that cancer is caused by some protein matter which attacks us from the areas which are within us, which are built within us since the Creation. Now within us what are these areas, let us see. On the left hand side of this Ida Nadi or this blue line is the collective subconscious. On the right hand side of this yellow line which is called as the Pingala Nadi is the collective supra-conscious. Below is the Hell. On top is the super-consciousness which we call as Self-realisation because this is the seat of the Spirit, which is manifested in the heart. These are the areas, of course doctors don’t know. But whatever the psychologists start talking like blind people can be easily seen through when the lights are on. For example, from the left side and the right side I have always said there are entities which attack you. Those who disappeared in the Creation went out of circulation because they were not good for our evolution, they all exist there. Say, there are some vegetables which form viruses, there are some birds, some animals and many human beings who exist on both the sides. On the right hand side are the people who are very ambitious, who dealt with material things and who try to overpower matter and tried all kinds of tricks. These are the people who are still there existing within us. When we try to go to the extremes, either to the left or to the right, by any one of these techniques, we get caught up. And when this thing happens, these proteins, so-called ’58 protein’ and number some sort of 56, all these are nothing but they are entities. They attack us and they trigger the cancer within us. And once this is triggered there is no way out because once you are in these areas, you’ll be attacked more and more, and the galloping state is established. For example, now let us take the case of blood cancer: a simple thing like blood cancer. It’s the most simple thing and is very simple to treat also. [Dr.] David Spiro is laughing at it! All right, how you get it? The spleen is the speedometer within us, spleen which is placed on the left hand side like a round ball. (No, on top a little bit. David can you come and show them? Yes, correct! We should put it in the Void only, so it’s better! Near the Void you can say.) Now spleen is managed by Swadishthan Chakra, which moves round and round the Void, you see. And it is the one which really sets our speed and pace: both things are done by the Swadishthana Chakra. But this poor spleen is creating blood cells for us. First of all if you think too much then the Swadishthana Chakra has to convert the fat cells for the use of the brain and it neglects the spleen, the liver, the pancreas, the kidneys and the uterus. But when it neglects the spleen, this is the first cause [of blood cancer], the primal cause we can call it. Secondly, those people who are supposed to be very speedy — those who think too much are speedy people also. They will eat their food with such a speed, I can tell you, that I have seen people that they can polish off things before…I mean, you see them there, and it’s finished! (laughter) They are so fast, and if I am sitting with them, I am really starving because I just can’t keep pace with them! Just you serve them, and it’s finished, it’s polished off! Then they will eat with that speed and immediately finishing that plate there and they run off for some other work. Now this poor spleen has to now create blood for the digestion, then suddenly the fellow runs out [so] it has to give the blood cells for it’s running. Then he sits down and he starts thinking. While running he is thinking. He is doing many things. We think our body is a multipurpose machine. So with one thing we will be brushing, with another thing we will be doing something else, with ears we will be doing something else, with nose we will be doing something else, with stomach we will be doing something else. Like that, the whole body is poor thing busy with multipurpose things: poor this body. And then this spleen becomes really mad! It goes bizarre, as you call it. It does not know what is wrong with the fellow. It does not know when it will jump and when it will go into some sort of a new activity. So it goes really bizarre, and then the cells that are created by it become malignant cells, and blood cancer is settled. But the third thing that really, that really, attacks it is one of these entities catching hold of these blood cells, and blood cancer is set in. And blood cancer can be very easily cured. I have seen now three cases, where doctors predicted that the patient is going to die within fifteen days, is still surviving after three years, quite hale and hearty! If you just pull your attention through Kundalini awakening and pierce it through here, the attention which is spread out on left and right and gone to the extreme like this, stretched, can be pushed out onto the super-consciousness, immediately all your attacks are finished. All of them are left high and dry in their own places, and you are cured. And that is how blood cancer can be cured very easily in Sahaja Yoga. But that doesn’t mean you think of all the blood cancer patients you have and bring them along here! That always happens. I would request you not to do that. You see, this happened at the time of Christ and it should not be repeated again. God is interested in curing people who are seekers, who are seeking God and not curing people who are not seeking. You do not look after a lamp which never is going to be enlightened; you just throw it in the junk! In the same way those who are seekers get their Realisation and get their cancer, all kinds of incurable diseases, diabetes this, that, lots of things, are cured. I mean [the list is] endless. So this is the first thing that happens: is physical. Then mental: you know there are some people who are here sitting today who were horribly epileptic. Some of them used to scream for three hours, thanks to some great gurus who have managed to polish off everything that they had. Who have managed to take away all their money, mesmerise them completely. And those who became epileptic falling on the street, even some of the children, who are here now today, who have been absolutely cured of epilepsy, madness, schizophrenia, all sort of diseases like that, because again the same thing happens to you that your attention goes into the super-consciousness, which is, collective consciousness. Collective consciousness gets enlightened within you, it becomes actualised. It gets manifesting itself. It’s such a wonderful instrument you are — a human being. You have no idea. Only thing is you have to be plugged to the mains. Like a television set, once it is plugged to the mains, it starts manifesting, you also start manifesting. Nothing that I do, I do not do anything. Actually really, it is something like everything is ready, and one enlightened light can enlighten another light! What is there to be done? You are just ready and you just receive your own powers. I don’t do anything. And why should one feel so hurt if I am doing it? It’s something surprising. Because a gentleman very seriously asked me, “Why you?” He was a doctor. I said, “Doctor, I will be thankful you come in my place. Here I am, I have to work till two o’clock in the night. I have to work so very hard, such a thankless job. You better do it! I’ll be very happy to be your disciple! And whatever you say, I am willing to do. You awaken the Kundalini of people!” He said, “But I cannot.” So I said, “That’s why I am here!” Unluckily I know this! Unfortunately I know it! Now what to do? That I am supposed to do. Now you are supposed to do many things which I cannot do. For example you can drive a car; I don’t know anything about it. I don’t understand your economics, I don’t understand your laws, I cannot understand anything that is supposed to be understood by a normal human being. But I understand Kundalini. If you ask me to open an ordinary packet of milk, I cannot! But I can open Kundalini. What to do now? I know that, so why should you feel so hurt about it? It’s me who was supposed to do it. And that’s the only problem, if you can overcome it. You know so many things and I don’t know so many things, then there won’t be any problem of ego coming in between. If I have to, say, do something, fixing up this, I’ll have to ask Douglas to do it. I do not know how to fix it. I may spoil it but I do not know how to use it. So this is what it is, as simple as that. And this has to be done. It was all promised. I have to do it. All this time has been promised. All this happening has been promised. This is your right to get it. You’d better get it. And you cannot pay for it; no question [of that]. It’s an insult. It is love. It’s not mercenary. It is love. You cannot pay for it. You cannot purchase me. I am quite an illusion also. I mean, I can be quite tricky so be careful about me. If you try to avoid me, I’ll avoid you hundred times, and you’ll go out of circulation. So be careful, because I am not that simple as I look. I am telling you beforehand, so be careful about it. But still you will forget because I look so simple, but I am not. I know so many things about you that I may try to just avoid you and I may really get you out of circulation for some time, till I have really sincere good people in here who get their Realisation, and then later on we can try these people who have gone out of circulation. It works out that way. Many of time Sahaja yogis think that we have very few people coming to Sahaja Yoga. I said, “That has to be because this is real work.” This is not that you become an organisation member of somebody and you are certified, “All right, you are a Sahaja yogi.” There is nothing like that. It has to happen. The Kundalini has to come. You have to feel the vibrations. It is a happening. Unless and until it happens you cannot give false certificate. It’s not like plastic flowers, it is a real flower. And for the real flower to come in, it takes time, doesn’t matter. I mean we cannot give a false certificate. So the second thing that happens is emotional thing. Third thing is spiritual. We can say that spiritually you understand Sahaja Yoga. You understand what mistakes you have committed, what wrong people you have been to. Immediately you understand. You find it out. And also you are told each and every secret: how to do it, how to raise the Kundalini. You can raise Kundalini. Only if the Kundalini has crossed up to Agnya, you can raise the Kundalini. As soon as you get your Realisation, you can give Realisation to others because of [the] emergency: we have to give Realisation to thousands and thousands and millions and millions. You can give Realisation to people. There are all these people have given Realisation. Not only that, you can cure people. And you can know as to how you are progressing: where you are, what are the chakras, where they are placed on your fingers, where they come, every thing you can know. It’s all inside not outside. And it should happen to all of you. After all I am here only for that job. I’ll work very hard, and I have been working very hard, everyone knows that. But you have to also understand to co-operate a little bit. Take your Realisation. After Realisation you will have to work hard also. But before Realisation just leave it to people who are realised. Like, when you don’t know swimming, it’s better to leave it to people who know swimming. Once you learn swimming, you also teach others. There’s nothing like inferiority, superiority, and all that. It’s not that. So just face it as simple people, not with all this misidentification with ego. Now somebody was raising the Kundalini like that, so one gentleman walked off, I said, “Why?” He said, “Why is he doing like this?” I said, “But you do not know.” Supposing there is a person who is trying to help you swimming, he puts his hand under your belly: you can get angry with that person, “Why are you doing that?” I mean, he’s making you to float. But this is what it is. You do not know the technique which these people know. You will also know the technique of Kundalini, which is a living technique, because you are not yet living. When you become realised, you will be knowing because the power will flow from your hand. You can feel it on your hands, the cool breeze flowing. But there’s only one warning to all our western seekers, which I always give: that you are great saints, I know you are seekers, you are very genuine and you are honest, everything is there. But you have one defect is that you think about everything. Even you have organised God, you have organised about Him. You have already preconceived ideas about Him — all this is there. And anybody who tries to play some tricks with you, you are very happy with that person and you are going along with that person very nicely. But here it is you who has to know, it is you who has to achieve, it is you who has to judge. Nobody is going to say that you are all right unless and until you say you are all right. It is you who have to believe into it. So what happens that after Realisation the Kundalini rises and She pierces this fontanel bone area where you get your baptism. You can even feel the cool breeze coming from your head, actually you can feel it. But then you forget the experience, you go home and start thinking about it. As soon as you start thinking, the whole thing comes down, because it is beyond thinking. The happening is beyond thinking: without thinking it has happened. By thinking Kundalini doesn’t rise. So just allow it to work out. When it works out, you will be surprised [that] it’s flowing. Supposing there is electricity coming and the electricity comes in, you see the light flickering. If you start thinking about it, do you think you’ll get back the light? No! You have to put the connection right. It’s something like that. So thinking gives you ramblings, people are lost [in that]. Then they come back. And once, after Realisation if you lose it, it takes time, it takes time. It’s a headache to me and headache to you. Many people do that way but please don’t do it. After all you are seekers of ages. Why should you waste your energy and time and mine also. Be sensible and wise, get your Realisation and get to it. Give up all your misidentifications. All these are misidentifications. And do not reach that point where you become helpless and you have to give up these misidentifications. Because I told one person I told that, “Your guru is not all right,” and he wouldn’t believe me, because his Void was catching. Then he got epileptic, he got sick, then he came to me. It took me three months to work on him. So the whole process of emancipation is slowed down, and that’s how you pull down the forces of Divinity. There are so many things one can say. As you know there are lectures and lectures, and Douglas has so many tapes and in London itself I have done so much. And to understand why London and why England, you better read “Milton” by William Blake. He has prophesied all this that is going to happen. That England is going to be the Jerusalem. That it is going to be the pilgrimage. It has described everything that is Sahaja Yoga. It’s a wonderful prophesy, you better read it to understand. It is even described where the ashram would be in Lambeth Vale. It has described that first it will start in Surrey Hills where I first came and stayed. And he has described in the end how the Virgin Herself is going to work it out, how the Mother is going to work it. It’s all beautifully done. So you had such a great poet like Blake, who has already guided you. Better take guidance from them. Another is Shakespeare who was another great realised-soul who showed the futility of nonsense of this so-called romanticism and all this. So be sensible about it, be wise. You have a great heritage. Your Stonehenge and all these things, I have talked about it, what are these. This place has been worked out by many saints before, and today you are born here. You are here to achieve your highest. There is a purpose behind it. As I said that England is the heart of the universe, no doubt, it is the heart, that’s why I am here. I didn’t come as an immigrant or anything. I came because my husband got elected to this post and I came here. That was all organised. And I am just there because of that, and you’ll be happy to know he has been re-elected again for five years so I am going to be here five years more. And then England being the heart, we have to be very careful because everything articulates through heart, and the Spirit lives in the heart. England is the heart, India is the Kundalini and Europe is the liver. Now see the contradiction: Kundalini, where Kundalini is in India people are sleeping. Kundalini is sleeping; where Europe, where the liver is, where the attention is, people are drunkards, they are drinking, the liver is gone! Where the heart is England, it is lethargic. Tell me now: what am I to do? This is the situation in which we are, so we have to rise to the occasion and achieve our goal. England is very important, very, very important, and I am going to work very hard here, no doubt. But you all have to help me and understand that the time has come now to get what you have been seeking. All of you should achieve what you have been seeking, right now. May God Bless you. I would like you to ask me some questions. But don’t ask controversial questions like: “I read in this book, that book…” Then somebody has been to some far-fetched place, “What do you think of this guru and that guru?” I am not going to get into controversies. So don’t ask me about any guru, you will find out yourself. Ask some sensible questions about Realisation. Seeker: If you feel yourself to be completely blocked, if there’s nothing you can do. What do you do? Shri Mataji: You leave it to me. I am quite a master in this. I have had all kinds of blocks: mountains after mountains. You don’t know how much I have gone through. I have become now an expert. You are not such a block, at least as far as you are concerned, so don’t worry. You see, I have worked hard for years to study all the permutations, combinations. I used to enter into the Kundalini and into the…to find out what are the blockages. And I know how to find the way out. You just leave it to me. But later on when you get it, everything I will tell you, every secret about it. Everything I am going to tell you, and you are going to become the master yourself. That’s what it is. What kind of blockage you are fearing? Seeker: Some kind of fear. Shri Mataji: Fear is very simple to conquer. You see, it is because of conditionings. People are … I don’t know why they do it, this I cannot explain. Human beings are very difficult. Like in France they said, “Mother, if you say you are a happy person, they’ll think you are naïve.” I said, “Why?” “Because [they think] you do not know any problems. So you have to be a very unhappy person. You have to show you are unhappy. Your cheeks must go inside like this; you must look absolutely like a prisoner of Ceylon.” I said, “Really?” They said, “If you go like this, Mother, in such a happy mood, they will never take you seriously!” I said, “But I don’t think.” They said, “We must suffer. That’s what they want.” I said, “But why? Christ has suffered for you, now why do you want to suffer?” But they say these things. Actually you know, it is with these people I have seen they say. I said, “If it is so, you are people having prostitutes on the streets, lined up together. You have pubs on the other side. You have gay, this thing and nonsensical things all over. You are unhappy. You are making everybody extremely unhappy.” I said, “I am unhappy because I see this kind of thing going on here, and you are saying that you are unhappy. You are not unhappy at all, you are just escaping it.” Also so the fear is another sort of a conditioning on you. It comes to you [such] that you think, “I will have to lose something.” No, you blossom into something. Because you are beautiful. I see that beauty and I see that Spirit and you are that. And the fear that you have is because you cannot see it. It’s just a conditioning. You just blossom into it. Did you read any one of these horrible books on Kundalini? That’s it! That’s very simple to overcome. I’ll tell you what: a villager comes to the city, he has never seen electricity and he puts his two fingers in the plug! [It’s] like that. They are absolutely unauthorised. You know, they do not know what Kundalini is. I was amazed. There’s a big book like that, and he says the Kundalini is in the stomach! I said, “Now what to do?” And he’s written a big book like that, you see. They are naïve first of all, they are unauthorised, they are unholy. Everybody cannot do Kundalini’s job. You have to be an authorised person from God and you have to be holy person. Specially a gentleman, I know, who has written a book, he leads such a horrible private life. He’s such a money-minded fellow. He talks of Kundalini, I was surprised. He’s taking money from everyone and he’s leading such a horrible life and he’s spoiling women and doing all kinds of things and raping them. And he is telling that my Kundalini rose and it troubled me like this, and it will. Kundalini doesn’t trouble actually [it’s] this Deity sitting there on the first chakra - Shri Ganesha. He is the Deity of innocence, who incarnated as Jesus Christ. He only thrashes such people who try to handle Kundalini. Even they try to put your innocence, which looks after your sex onto the Mother. Just imagine what a sinful thing it is. Innocence is the one that is your special power. That’s why people are not even spontaneous now in sex. They just think about it. Do you know the latest numbers of people who are impotent in the West? And do you know, in Switzerland itself, out of five families only one family can produce children - they are impotent. If you think about sex, you can become impotent. All the spontaneity is lost. And here people are getting sophisticated with it. Either you become a rapist or you become absolutely an impotent person. Either you go the right or to the left. So these people who talk about Kundalini have no sense of proportion, they have lead a very bad life, they are unholy people. They have no sense of holiness, righteousness. I mean righteousness is the thing. When I talk of righteousness they think I am a Victorian, you see. So I said, “I am not only Victorian, I am even much earlier - I am ancient.” But that is what it is. But I do not say you become righteous or anything — nothing out of the kind — because that’s a difficult task. What I say you is you get your Realisation. [Then] automatically you will do it, automatically. Because the religion, what we call is the religion or the righteousness gets enlightened within you, [so] you just cannot do it. So I am not going to tell you. I said I am tricky. I will just raise your Kundalini. You yourself will give up. I don’t say you give up your drugs, nothing, but you just give up. I don’t say you give up your drinks. I do not say you give up your cigarettes. There are many who have given up completely because they have found the absolute! All right? In the same way your fears will also disappear but do not think of them. Just now you are sitting before a very powerful person. Don’t you worry. Alright? Is there any question? One more, and then I will do the thing. Anyone? Seeker: Mother, Mother, you mentioned about emergency, what did you mean? Shri Mataji: Are you already frightened? I said ‘emergency’ because the Last Judgment has started. In the atmosphere it is. No earthquakes for you, all right? Can’t you see [that] there is emergency, people want to have it, and you can feel the emergency, everywhere there’s a talk about it. Everyone knows there is some sort of an atmosphere of emergency. Everybody is running fast, nobody knows why. You don’t worry, you are a realised-soul. Emergency is that you give more Realisation to East End (of London) people! (laughing) All right? So, anymore, no, all right. Now, why I have asked you to ask questions, that after this don’t ask any questions, just have it. If you are hungry, you will just get it. And I would request you to put out your shoes and put your feet on the ground. I don’t need really but I am just doing it to please you people. It’s all right, I can manage. Because they will say, “Why don’t You take out your shoes?” you know. All right, so, put your hands towards me, straight like this, and you have to close your eyes. That’s very important, that you must close your eyes. Now, why? Because the Kundalini when it rises above the Agnya, if your eyes are not closed, it does not rise because there is dilatation of the pupil that takes place, and it stops there. But maybe your eyes may be flickering possibly, then you open your eyes and watch me. In case that they are not flickering, then it’s all right. Now some of you may feel a little heat, and if Sahaja yogis tell you something, you just listen to them, don’t get angry with them. It’s for your good. If they tell you to remove something or do something, it’s better to listen to them. Just put both your hands towards me. Just like that. Just see if there is flickering in your eyes. It’s a funny thing today: the centre you are catching is Left Nabhi. And you have to decide one thing that you have to marry sometime because there are great souls who are to be born, and we have to give them parents who are realised-souls. If you are not yet married just say that, “Mother, we’ll marry,” that’s all. It will work out. Still Left Nabhi is there. Also the marriage institution has to be put right because, if these great souls are to be born, we have to give them a nest, a family where they are to be born. Otherwise poor Indians will have to bear all the children of the world! Because of this emergency many people are taking birth, and they would not like to be born in a place where the parents are killing the children or where the parents are quarrelling among themselves and every day they are having a divorce. So poor Indians they have to take the load upon themselves. Marcus close your eyes. Close your eyes Linda. Close your eyes. It doesn’t go over your Hamsa. Close your eyes. Put your attention to your Sahasrara. Void is there and Left Nabhi. (End of recording)
10/27/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6707	What do we expect from Self-realisation?	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	71	What do we expect from Self-realisation? Caxton Hall, London (UK), 27 October 1980. The other day I was telling you about our growth within, after Self-realisation. The germination takes place very easily; the Kundalini rises very easily; also pierces the fontanelle bone area very easily. That is really, as you call it, ‘Sahaja’. It's a tremendous happening. It takes thousands of years for people to get realisation. That's also a fact. They had to be born again and again and very few selected got realisation. But today, as I said, the time has come for many flowers to become fruits. So this happening doesn't take much time, it’s just [a] split of a second in many people. But about the growth I was talking last time, I ended up at Self-realisation, what is Self-realisation is and what do we expect from Self-realisation. The first thing that happens to you, as you know, when the Kundalini rises, [is] that you start feeling physically better; your health improves. Though the Kundalini rises from the centre most nadi, called as Brahmanadi, inside the Sushumna, in the central part. And first thing that happens is the physical being which is helped. That is not the innermost core of every centre. The innermost core of every centre is the Spiritual. But how is it [that] first the physical being is helped? Is very interesting to see. The Kundalini rises through many centres, passes through Agnya, pierces through fontanelle, and becomes one with the All-pervading Power. So, first thing that receives the information is the seat of Sadashiva, is the seat of your Atma, your Spirit, on top of your head. But the Spirit is in your heart. So the first awakening takes place, or enlightenment takes place, in your brain. It’s a very important point to be seen. In your brain resides the conscious mind, that means the present, and when it is enlightened that means your awareness is enlightened; you get enlightenment in your awareness, in your attention. As I told you last time that attention is enlightened first. So through your attention you can find out what is the matter with other persons, you can find out what centres are catching, what your centres are catching. So, on the physical level, you know what’s happening. That’s the, we should say, the present. We feel our gross (physical) being enlightened, we can feel them on our fingers. But when the Kundalini is rising in your being, She goes straight on to the fontanelle bone area. Of course, if there is a hurdle or anything then She stops and tries to indicate. At that time, if She is not successful, for example you have got a liver problem, then She will come and throb at liver problem, informing you that there’s something wrong with the liver. That’s why a Sahaja Yogi has to give vibrations from outside. When the Kundalini rises above the Agnya, She goes up to this fontanelle and pierces. But when She cannot go beyond Agnya She spreads out here. She can spread out here also. And then She starts trickling down, the grace on the…or you can say She starts relaxing this area which is called as murdha (brain) and that’s how She makes more space in the Agnya. And this relaxation works out the outer side of the physical being. Also when She pierces through in anyone who has a simpler personality, who is not so complicated, first thing that happens is that the grace starts falling through from the sides; and the Grace starts falling into the Ida and Pingala and then She comes down by which She supplies Ida and Pingala. The Grace, not the Kundalini, you should not confuse these two things. Because of Her piercing, there’s an opening made and the Grace starts coming down, and She, I should say the Grace Itself, feeds all the centres from outside. So, first the physical being is improves. The second one, I’m now going from outside inside, the second one is the mental being. Now the mental being relates to our awareness as well, also to our sense of understanding, intellect and all those things. When the Grace starts flowing more and more within us, then our mental being gets enlightened. When the mental being gets enlightened then you start feeling centres of other persons. Some people you know just get cured. They don’t feel vibrations, nothing, just they feel cured. They get cured of cancer, this, that, all sorts of things. But they do not get vibrations, they do not get a feeling, they cannot make out whether it is this chakra or that chakra, they do not feel anything. So the first thing that would happen to anyone is the physical gift, the physical being improves - that’s the Grace of God. Because if you are not well, if you have some pains and some troubles and some diseases, how are you going to pay attention to God and Spirit? That’s very important. But before it comes to the mental self, something else happens also, that, when the Kundalini pierces, the falling of Grace first comes down to the lower centres starting from Nabhi downwards. And Nabhi is a great sucker, Nabhi starts sucking the vibrations, or you can say the Grace. And Nabhi starts getting awakened first of all. From Nabhi rises the Swadishthana Chakra which goes round and round, which is connected with Nabhi, so it flows to Swadishthana and then Swadishthana also starts working out itself. Swadishthana sucks in as much as possible and works out all the centres, I mean all the organs, which are supplied by it. But Nabhi, when it receives surplus Grace, then it starts opening, and its opening helps us in very gross material life also - you are helped materially. Supposing if you are materially absolutely hopeless, then you are not going to pay attention to God also. So it’s the responsibility of God to first give you a little material well-being. Like I received a letter and also on the tape they have mentioned about somebody who wanted to come to India, from Australia. She got her realisation, she felt very much better, and she wanted to come to India but she had no money to come, and that desire was there. Because of that desire in her she may not have put full attention to her Spirit. And that’s how our material desires get satisfied. And her daughter discovered, she had a bracelet, many bracelets and things she had, and she went to a jumble sale, for selling them for some sort of a programme they had for children. And they discovered that one of the bracelets that she had, which she thought to be a junk, was of gold, surprisingly. And she sold it for $1500. She was going to sell it for 20c, you see, (laughing). And that was exactly the amount needed for their travel, for both of them. Now one would say that - how it works out? It is miraculous, that’s all I can say, because the machinery is such. The pouring of the Grace within you, informs the Lakshmi Principle in the Nabhi. Nabhi just show them where is this. Somebody has to get up and show them, Douglas? Or someone. Douglas (Fry) come along. This is the one. And this has the deity of Lakshmi, She is the deity of your well-being. And this is what Krishna has said, “Yoga Kshema vahamyam” “When the yoga takes place, means when the Kundalini pierces through fontanelle bone area, I look after your well-being.” How does he look after? Through Lakshmi. Now this is a universal Deity. She’s present in human beings and also she is present in material things. It is such a fantastic thing that you cannot explain these things on human level, really it is difficult. Only thing you can see for yourself how it works out. It’s so tremendous. Like if you have to explain about human civilisation to an ant it’s going to be difficult - in the same way it is. It’s so difficult you see. And human beings they are so proud of their rationality and I find it impossible how to explain, but it does work that way. You can only see the working of it. But if you are proud of your rationality you go ahead with it, what can you do? But you just see for yourself how it works. So the second layer that really is improved is your material being. So many people have been helped, who are here, materially. The well-being has come, actual well-being, apart from satisfaction. But as I said, it does not cross the limit, like you do not become Mr. Ford! Because that’s some sort of a behaviour which is asahaja, to be so rich, I mean it’s ridiculous, vulgar! You become better than what you are, but not the best, because you have to be in the centre at a satisfied point. And everybody has to enjoy you and you have to enjoy everybody. But supposing if you are in dire necessities and problematic things then you cannot pay attention to God and that’s what He understands - that you cannot. If you have physical problem, if you have cancer, how can you say that, “You pay attention to your Spirit,” when you have cancer? I mean, such a body! After all if this whole house is going to collapse you cannot meditate here. So, first the physical stability is established and second is the material one. And there are many factors which work out material stability, automatically. First of them is that, once you find your Spirit, you just automatically give up your habits. Most of these habits come from your Nabhi, because from Nabhi Chakra you get your seeking. And you think, when you have a habit [that] you are seeking your joy. I mean, many people have said, “Mother, but I enjoy my glass of whiskey,” they have said to me, many a times. Or, “I enjoy a little ride here and there,” somebody has said that, “Mother, I enjoy some Kensington ladies,” you see, sort of thing. But once you start enjoying your Spirit, it drops out. All your attention becomes enlightened and your priorities change. You don’t enjoy these things that you have been enjoying before, so you just don’t do it. I mean, I don’t have to tell you, “Don’t drink!” you just don’t do it now. I don’t have to tell you that you don’t smoke, you just don’t do. But there are some very weak people, extremely weak, I mean, very, very weak people. They take time, I know. They plod and they are very slow moving creatures, but not all. I would say quite a small number and most of the people, they just give up things. You just give up. So you start saving money, automatically, because the money goes to the races or to the pubs or to other habits which are useless, you know they are useless: smoking, drugs, any such foolish things that you are wasting money on. And you start channelising this money for something better, something that gives you more joy, more happiness and of an eternal nature, not a temporary one, that you take the drink [the] previous night and in the morning you are finished! You get a drink that never finishes, which you enjoy all the time. You get drunk like that. Because in my own life I have seen, it’s such a so-called sophisticated elite life. People drink much more, you see, than normal people drink. And they ask me, “Why don’t you drink?” I say, “I am already drunk! The day I was born I was so drunk that, now, if I have to drink more I’ll fall off, so better not ask me!” They are quite frightened at my, this thing, I said, “I am really fully drunk already!” So they start looking at me! And they never find me anyway less in spirits as they are. Actually I’m always little more than they are, so they never force me to do that. But these things drop out automatically. I don’t have to tell you that you have to drop out. Because most of the things you have done [are] because you have been seeking something. You know, there are people, I asked them, “Why do you do this?” They said, “We are seeking love,” I said “How? How can you find love like this?” Or somebody will say that, “I am seeking God.” There are many people who are taking drugs, I mean, genuinely, just for seeking. But when they have found it, what they were seeking, they don’t take drugs. But this is one of the side issues, I was just trying to make it little lighter. But mainly what happens is that, actually the principle of Lakshmi, the principle of well-being within you is awakened. And if you listen to one of my tapes where I have described what a Lakshmi is, and how She is symbolised: it’s a very beautiful picture of Lakshmi that the great seers have put before us: That, She is after all a Mother, She is a mother. A person who is a rich man has to be a motherly person. But here you find, in the whole world I have seen [that] those who have even little money their nose goes up like that and if you see them from down below they look like wolves not like mothers - most surprising. And this Lakshmi who is a Mother, wears a white sari, very elegant, with a gold border. That represents that he doesn’t put people into awe by his pomp and show and this and that. She’s standing on a lotus. Imagine any human being standing on a lotus! That means that She’s so light in Her behaviour towards others. She’s so delicate, She touches people with such delicacy, that people don’t feel hurt, they are not in any way pressurised by the riches of people. But you know it’s just the opposite, if your so-called ‘rich’ you see! Horrible! If somebody’s coming in here I would like to get out of that door. They try to pressurise because they have money. You see, if somebody starts talking big, you just find out, 99% he must have won some horse race! This pressurising is a sign that he is not a lakshmipati, he has nothing to do with Lakshmi. So he’s so gracious. I have seen such people. I have seen some people like that. I have seen one in England you will be surprised to know. I have just seen him once. He was a gentleman who was some lord and something and later on he came to India and he was a Viceroy (Lord Mountbatten). And there was a gentleman who was very well known to us, he once met him in a train which was delayed or something happened and they had to get down at another station and somehow or other they were put together. And he was so simple and so good and so helpful that this gentleman was taken by him. He said, “Now better you come to my house because it’s not going to be any train you come to my house.” When he went to his house he was surprised the house was like a palace! And then he told he who he was, and he was amazed! And he even carried his bag with him. Such a simple man. And then, when this person told me that such a person is there, then he re-visited India, then he brought him to see me. But he’s no more now he’s dead this gentleman (killed by IRA bomb). But he was a very big man in India and a very big person but such a simple man! Such a simple person. So that’s the significance of well-being. So when a Sahaja Yogi becomes well-being, gets well-being then he has all these qualities in him that, he doesn’t impress on others that he has a property or he has got money and he should pressurise others. If he’s really a good Sahaja Yogi he would be the humblest of all and he would be very generous because in Her hand, one hand is like this. The left hand is like this, means She’s generous, She’s giving. All the time She’s giving. She’s not taking anything, She’s giving. And that’s how such a person is all the time giving. I have seen people who, after Sahaja Yoga, receive a lot of blessings and are miserly or try to oppress others, lose their properties and lose their money and really suffer a little bit. Because otherwise there’s no way of teaching them. So the generosity flows from Her hand and another hand is like this, which means that She gives protection to people. There have to be some people who are ashritas, are dependents, who just depend, from whom such a person doesn’t take any money, they just live. These systems are still in India. Those people who are well off always have about two, three people being supported by them. Is a system still working in India, in many places. I mean, in my father’s house we always remember we had people like that. They were educated and given higher education by my father free, just free. But never did they feel that they were anybody else, treated with same respect and with same dignity as we were treated. But that was a part of life, one had to do it. This is the ashraya, is that there should be some people depending on you. England also I’ve seen people have cats, dogs, things like that, you see, little bit they do spend on cats and dogs. But better to spend on human beings. What am I going to do with cats and dogs? Can I give them realisation? (laughter) It’s better to look after human beings than to look after cats and dogs so much! But I have seen that when they are dealing with cats and dogs they are very happy people, but with human beings they are very unhappy, I don’t know why. If you must have seen in the BBC and all that, when they have these advertisements I have seen in television sometimes, you see a person having a cat, she’ll always smile and joke and this. And anybody having children, she looks so miserable! (laughter) That should not be so. There should be somebody dependent. It’s not important to measure every money, to ask for 2p (£0.02) - “I gave you yesterday, will you return 2p to me?” It doesn’t behove a Sahaja Yogi to be like that. If it comes to that, alright, give some money - forget about it. It helps you such a lot, it helps you such a lot. To be meticulously so observant about how much money you lent - it’s better to be more worried about how much you have taken than to be how much you have given. It helps a lot. It’s a thing one has to realise in life, how much it helps. I have seen in my own life it has helped so many times. I mean you really have people then, around you. It’s a matter of 5 Rupees and 10 Rupees. It’s so important then to some people at a [certain] point, and it works wonders! I mean, you can have a human worth millions by paying sometimes 5 Rupees, it can work out that way. So try to be more giving and then you receive more as a Sahaja Yogi. Remember that now you are connected with Lakshmi. The more generous you are the more you get it. When you are small-minded you do no receive Her blessings. You have to give, you have to give. Once you give, it starts flowing, the stagnation is over and the flow starts coming in. Otherwise you are stagnated when your hand is, you see, tight fisted as you call it. English language has so many good words, though they are now losing their meaning! They call it you are very, I don’t know there must be some new words for being very, very miserly, some good word, you know, which doesn’t mean miserly but must be some ‘economical’ or something fantastic. But actually miserliness, is miserliness, give it whatever name you like, it’s horrible. And one should not take to miserliness, that is a curse I tell you, it’s a disease, it’s like leprosy, to be hated. Try to be generous. Now the generosity of maybe, I don’t know, but maybe of money, is not difficult for some people. But generosity of saying something good to others is rare. You see somebody in a good dress, you should be generous enough to say, “Oh, it’s fantastic, it’s beautiful.” What’s wrong? But jealousy, that goes against Lakshmi completely. It’s better that others are wearing it; you don’t pay for it and you enjoy it! (laughter) It’s very logical you just see. You see, if you own this hall, it will be a headache for you isn’t it, to keep it alright. I mean imagine the people who own it, and to put it right because everybody will come and criticise, “This is not good, that’s not good.” But it’s nice to be here, when it doesn’t belong to you, to enjoy it. It’s very simple. Just try to enjoy it, to be generous with people, be kind to them. This generosity is lacking. When this starts, then the inner core of emotional being starts getting enlightened. Go to the subtler side of material well-being and you start getting into emotional thing. Small, small things work out, very small. It’s very sweet. We have so many examples of this kind of little sweetness being expressed. And this generosity should come to all the Sahaja Yogis, of saying good things to others. Doesn’t matter [that] it is exaggeration, doesn’t matter, because it acts as a buffer. Then the fright of the strangers, fright of the neighbours, fright of other human beings, you know. Every human being has become now [that] he sees another human being coming, he recoils back. Imagine! First, I mean, say about fifty years back it was like dogs; if any human being saw another human being they used to bark! Now it is another way round. So, the fear of your brother, of your own kin and kith, of your part and parcel. They are your own, you don’t know, they are part and parcel of your being, you can feel it, after Sahaja Yoga you can feel it, I don’t have to tell you. You can feel them within yourself, they are within you. And then the sweetness of saying something sweet, of saying something sweet is so nice, is so rewarding, itself, itself, so rewarding. The movement of Shakti is always this way. If I give you love, love comes back to me. If I give you hatred, hatred comes back to me. And double fold everything. If I give you love, say 1 unit, I may get 7 units of love. But if I give you hatred of 1, that too, 7 units of hatred comes to you. The mathematics is complete. So try to understand that, emotionally, you have to understand your material well-being. How to express emotionally your material well-being is a very sweet thing. I would give you an example of Gavin because I can’t forget that very sweet incident: One day we had called some people, you see, I didn’t know there would be so many coming, in his house. And he has a house but, I mean, not so big like this. So there were about fifty people, around. And I told him, “Prepare some food for them.” But I thought for fifty people he could not have prepared, at the most for ten people! So I was quite embarrassed and I was waiting for people to go away, I didn’t say, “Stay on for dinner,” or anything, I thought, “Poor Gavin, how could he have cooked for fifty people?” And when they disappeared, about five, six were remained. I said, “Now let’s have dinner!” He was very unhappy and he was looking this side and that side, I said, “What happened?” But he didn’t say anything. So I slept that night in his house. Next morning I got up - still he was very uneasy. Next day I said, “What’s the matter? What’s playing on your mind?” He said, “Mother why did you ask all of them to go away? I had prepared [dinner] for fifty of them?” This filled me with such joy you can’t imagine! Tremendous joy, tremendous joy. I mean, that I cannot get over such things you know. And I have just seen so many Sahaja Yogis like that, very very sweet persons. Another is Gregoire, another very sweetie person, you know, the way he does things for others. Sometimes the way he works it out is so sweet, and how he really knows how to express himself sweetly in small, little things. It’s so surprising, how people are very beautiful and how they are working out these material things to express their emotions. Material is for emotions only, you see. My mother had a principal that, if she had six sarees, the seventh one she’ll present out. She had kept six; not more [are] needed, you see. And she was a woman of great principle, I must say, because she used to spin her own sarees. Can you imagine! And that’s what she used to wear, herself. And she was a wife of a very rich man, I mean, she had no problem of money but this was her principle, she used to live like that. And she said that, “What? I need six, more than [that] I don’t need,” because it’s cotton sarees, you see, so one saree you wash and next you wear and you can just press it. We had people in the house who could do that for her. She said, “There’s no need to have more than six.” And one she would keep for some occasion, you see, expensive one, if she has to go for a wedding and all that, that’s all. So the seventh was kept (to give away) and out of the six, if she got one more she would donate that to somebody. She would only keep up to six you see, that was her principle, and she managed her life very well. And I was also bit too much of a generous person and she always supported my generosity, always she supported it. And she was very happy when she found that I would just give away lots of things to people who came to my house and she would say, “Oh that’s very good, she should do that.” Everybody used to say that, “That should be done”. Always used to encourage me for such things that I did. But I found [that] all things have only value if I can give them away otherwise they have no value. And I keep only the things that are being presented to me all the rest pass out of my hands very easily into people. Anybody who says, “I like this,” “Alright, have it!” You see, I feel so happy to give it to them and it’s really rewarding. Now that person thinks, “What should I give you back?” I said, “Now please! That’s not to be done because you know already, come and see, this house is filled with things, and I don’t know how to get rid of them.” If I buy anything myself, of course I don’t earn anything so it’s from my husband’s money, I try to give it away . It’s very nice, it’s really extremely nice. After all what’s the use of these things in the house? What are you going to do [with them]? I mean, if you have to have a personal archives, you can have! You see, something like that, putting up this thing bought there, this thing bought there. But normally what do you do? So this kind of a generosity is to be developed within us. The aesthetics of generosity is to be seen. How you give things to others and how you express your emotional being. For people who are emotionally dry because of ego orientation, should learn these things, is very important. That will give them some emotional side also. [It’s] very much necessary for people who do not feel their feelings much, their joy much; they should try to do it [then] they will start feeling it much more. Then the emotional side is enlightened within us, the Grace starts flowing up to emotional side. In emotional side, first of all the purification takes place. That’s very important. To lead a very beautiful emotional life you must have pure ideas, otherwise you can never be emotionally alright. You see, like in a tree you have to have leaves you have to have roots, you have to have fruits, you have to have flowers at it’s proper places. Like in your house you have to have a drawing room, you have to have a bedroom, you have to have a bathroom; everything separated. You do not put them into a complete, what do you call that? A mixer. You do not make it like that, isn’t it? You don’t put your bathroom in the drawing rooms do you? I mean some people may start it with the kind of confusion they have these days! But normally you do not do it. In our own emotional life we must have pure sense. Purity of a sisterly love, purity of a brotherly love, purity of a wife’s love. For example infidelity: infidelity is impurity, infidelity comes when there is impurity. Without fidelity the marriage life cannot be happy. That’s the basis of married life. You see, “I like…” this “I like” business is impurity. The impurity in you likes it. Gradually, after realisation, you start developing that purity within you; you start understanding these are your brothers and sisters. As soon as your emotional life starts improving your innocence starts awakening up. You see? It is connected with your innocence. The left side is connected with your innocence. And then it starts flowering and you really become innocent. Now see the practical side: you go to somebody’s house, the gentleman has a beautiful wife, now your bad eyes on the wife, how can you enjoy? You cannot enjoy, the husband cannot enjoy, the wife cannot enjoy, all the time there’s a fear. Maybe the wife may run away with you or something may happen: the whole house will be finished, I mean, you are so destructive! So-called ‘charming’ men and ‘charming’ women are just destroying each others lives. Where do they land? All in the orphanages! A woman marries seven times, a husband marries eight times. All these old people are in the orphanage (old peoples home) and children are in another orphanage. You see, you are just creating orphanages by this kind of impurity in your mind. But by telling you, these things, you are not going to believe me, nor you can do it, but just when it happens. When this happens, the innocence, the joy of pure love, when there is no other impurity but just pure love for brothers, sisters. I mean, here, I have seen people don’t even sort of embrace each other - men. It’s most surprising, I mean, for us it’s something one can’t understand. So much impurity has gone into our brain that every man, is he that way wrong? When we came here my husband used to embrace every man; I told him, “Don’t do it, people will laugh at you!” He said, “Really?” He said, “But everyone is not like that, maybe one person.” I said, “No, they think everybody is like that.” You see, whatever they found pathological in one person, they think everybody is like that. These psychologists, whatever they read in one abnormal person, they try to see in everyone! Everybody is not like that! I mean there is no harm in understanding that there is only 1% people are pathological -who go to these psychologists! The others who are spoilt are because of psychologists themselves! They put ideas, “You have a guilt, you have a guilt, you have a guilt.” Even if you don’t have, you will have it! (laughter) They go on putting ideas into your heads. All this is supposed to be intellectual expansion, whatever you may call it, it’s all nonsense you see. A person who doesn’t commit sin you say, “Oh, he must have committed sin,” now he doesn’t know what to do he’ll come and say, “Alright baba, I have committed sin, now I have to confess. So I have to confess, yes I have committed sin.” They play about like this. They just try to build you up and all that and then they break you, shatter you completely and then you think, “Oh I am the most sinful person [who] ever lived!” If you were that sinful, do you think you will get realisation first of all? First ask yourself the question, “How did I get realisation? How did I feel vibrations? If I was that sinful, how could I get it?” Throw away all these ideas of these psychologists and tell them that we don’t believe you! You see, this is very few people who are really basically sinful. I tell you, very, very rarely, I have not seen anyone so far, except for these horrible gurus who are well known! After all they are the people who are rakshasas, they are not human beings, you see, so that’s a different category. But, otherwise, I have not seen basically a person who has nothing good in him. Because everybody has the Spirit. And definitely Spirit is superior much more dynamic than all the sins put together. What are these little, little sins here and there? What are you doing? And there’s nothing to feel so diffident about it. After all you are realised people, you are saints. You are to be respected. You have to respect yourself first of all. You are all saints, do you realise that? Once you realise you are saints you will start acting as saints, how the saints act. You will put yourself onto that pedestal of understanding that you are really saints, otherwise you won’t get vibrations. Go and ask anyone of these! They will tell you: the vibrations, only people who are saints get it. In India all the people are burnt when they die; not the saints, realised souls are not, they are respected. They say when the saints come to your house, that’s the day, is the day of festival. And all of you are that so don’t think that you cannot do this, and you have this guilt and you have these things - nothing of the kind! You are pure Spirit. Be very lavish about it! Of course, I mean, too much indulgences into these things, emotional life also, can lead you to a stagnation point. Like I hear people saying that, “There’s a lot of love between us.” But one has to be discreet in that also: does it make you universal or it makes you localised? You see, like Britishers for British, Indians for Indians, finished! If that love makes you universal, by which you say kindly things, by which you enjoy the love of other people, their vibrations. Whatever creed, race, it is, whatever part of the world they come from, they are Sahaja Yogis; if you start enjoying them, then know that that is love. It should not be localised in any way. If there is any group forming, then must know that it is not love, it’s not Divinity, it’s not. Divinity is universal, it embraces everything, everything. It has no discrimination of any kind. It only discriminates between evil and good, unrighteous and righteous, Christ and anti-Christ, God and anti-God but it does not discriminate on these three levels that is physical, appearances, mental approach or mental development or emotional expressions. Some people are emotionally very expressive. I would say English are less expressive by temperament maybe, that’s their temperament. Indians are extremely expressive. If you go to India, to a village, say, you go to Rahuri (Maharashtra), they will just take you in their embrace and would start weeping and crying with joy. I mean, you will be amazed the way they will love you, I mean, imagine! And for them it would be like, they wouldn’t mind even if they have to spread themselves on the ground for you to walk smoothly so that you don’t feel the horrible roads of India. That kind of tremendous emotions, the expression you will be surprised. You will be overwhelmed and sometimes shocked, you know, the way they are. But that doesn’t mean that English don’t love. They love in their own way; they understand that. So that’s how it should be that it is all embracing, all shades, all types, all permutations, combinations. Because this variety is created by God to create beauty and all the varieties must be accepted. Imagine you all looking just the same, how would it look? Horrible and boring! Every leaf is different, then what about human beings? But in that difference there’s the unity of Spirit and if you can feel that unity then you are emotionally absolutely correct and you are a realised soul. And, last of all, the most important, is your Spirit, Spirit that resides in your heart. All this beauty is only perceived when there is light in your Spirit otherwise you cannot see all this beauty, you cannot enjoy it. Spirit is the one which is the diamond which shines on this beautiful ring of your body, mind and your emotions. That’s the most important thing. That is to be achieved, to be absolutely absorbed into your being. That state should be achieved by all of you. But the growth, if the outside is not alright, then the inside cannot be carried by that weak outside. It’s such a strong thing spiritual life is a very strong thing; it’s so dynamic, it’s so powerful. Sometimes, you know, it floods me completely. I mean, I have to control myself; the love just shoots off from the being and just I want to give it but I wonder whether you’ll be able to bear it, so I have to control it a little bit [because] that flood may not be borne. So you have to enrich your outside to bear that inside beauty. And the more you enrich it, the more you make it strong, the more it will shine. It’s so simultaneous because one must understand that Spirit is love, is all intelligence, is all awareness, and it knows your problem. It slowly shines. It sees how far you can bear, how far you can go. Then after realisation, when you start looking after your outside, the inside starts shining by itself. But attention should be towards your Spirit. All these outside qualities are so joy-giving to the Spirit, you can’t imagine. Try them! You will enjoy yourself. We have not been able to enjoy ourselves much. If we could we would not [even] shun the jails, I mean I would be happy in a jail I tell you, because I can enjoy myself there better! But the one thing is there, you cannot enjoy yourself so much when you cannot share it with others also isn’t it? It becomes like that. Without sharing you cannot enjoy yourself. And that’s what should happen to all the Sahaja Yogis. At that level you should come. We should be at that level. Try to keep your level that high, is important. Sometimes you come down, you start criticising others. Others are also not right, for example, somebody sees somebody filthy, dirty, something like that. The person who’s filthy, dirty, of course there’s something wrong with that person, no doubt, but that person should be pitied. At least he should be clean. I mean, that’s the minimum of minimum. But instead of that if you start criticising that person, you also become filthy in your language, filthy in your mind and everything, so why [do it]? Leave it! Let that person improve by himself, to see that he has to be clean, he has to be neat, he has to be sensible. This is to be seen by that person himself and not by you. Where is your attention? It’s a habit in India, all the parents will ask the children when they are standing, “Where is your attention?” “Where is my attention?” alright. Then again he’s standing there, “Where is your attention?” Again he’ll be on the watch [out], “Where is my attention gone?” We have to look after our attention, that’s all. “Where is my attention? Is it on the Spirit?” Next time I’ll tell you more about the Spirit part. I hope you have understood how necessary it is to develop your inner being. In your mental being, egoistical nature is to be controlled very much. I have seen people who go from left to right, they become a egoistical. Those who go from right to left, they become frightened. All these side movements must be brought to the centre. You have to understand that from basics we have to rise higher. People have explanation for everything! No explanation is needed. Whom are you explaining? You are explaining to yourself, you are judging yourself. You have to judge yourself, [to] whom are you explaining? Mataji? She doesn’t need any explanation. I know, perhaps, everything, perhaps. But I don’t condemn you and in any way I do not want that you should be condemned by any chance at all, why should I? You are all saints after all. For me it’s the greatest satisfaction. But for your own growth I want you to understand that you are saints and you have to come up to that point. Saints have to be self-disciplined, nobody has to tell them. Discipline yourself, tell yourself, “I am a saint now.” What an opportunity it is to grow! What an opportunity! And people are only going to believe in you when you are really the saint within and saint without. In Sahaja Yoga, people become saints within and not saints without easily. But in other systems they are first made outside, you see, they are made to work for 25 years just washing the temple - finished! Then they are made to do something else for 25 years. By the time they are about to [be] dead they’ll say, “Alright, next time we’ll give you realisation.” It’s like that. But here, from inside you have really achieved your realisation no doubt, and you have greater chances of improving. This is what I thought, that, “This lifetime I am just going to give realisation to all the people who come to me - let’s see.” And you are going to do full justice to my bold step because now you’ve got it. It is going to work out much faster. It has to work out. This was the only way it could have worked out faster than to make you, first of all, wash yourself every day, get up at 4 o’clock and make you like military people . I said, “No, let’s try this way.” And it’s done, it’s happening, it’s so simple. Then the self-discipline must start. And you must try to improve your light, which is just kindled, to make it a beautiful light, clean light and generous, giving light, the light of love. It will work out I am sure. Keep your standards high. Do not fall down. Put your attention into proper gear. It’s all prophesised, as you know. Blake has prophesised it. The more I read the book the more I am convinced that England is going to be the Jerusalem. Now think of that. No lethargy allowed. While I find Australians are coming up much faster. You have to prove Blake’s prophesy. May God bless you. All of you. Cooly, can you give me some water please? Look at the children!! Thank you very much. If you could arrange a seminar Gavin, anytime, for three days, I can postpone my going to India. As I would like to have a seminar sometime. Gavin: We can get a place in Sussex, from the, I think it's the twelfth, no the eleventh, to the thirteenth, that's a mid-week time. We can have about 45-50 people. Shri Mataji: We have many more. I would like to have it on a Saturday Sunday somewhere. Gavin: We can find somewhere but it is difficult to get these places for a weekend. We're still trying. Shri Mataji: I think in a, any place, like Brighton or something you might get it, or why not hire a boat? Isn't it a good idea? Gavin: We can see what we can do. Shri Mataji: Isn’t it a good idea? Actually I was looking out for a ship. If one of the Shipping Corporation ships had arrived, I thought we'll go and stay in a ship, would be a good idea, because it always is there for about three four days. But there's no ship arriving in this month otherwise, we could have done it. Some sort of a boat for two days you can hire, a big boat where all of us could be there on a Saturday Sunday. We should be there, it's important. Before I leave I would like to fix some certain screws. I mean, you can have it on Thames River if you want. Or Brighton, do you have boats or things? No? Just find out. So that should be resolved and then I will arrange my going accordingly. If there is any program like that I will postpone it. But I would like to know as soon as possible. As I have told you before that Sahaja Yoga has no technique; it's a spontaneous happening which takes place. Now the flower becomes the fruit, it has no technique, but the sun has to come to do the job, you see, and that technique is beyond our understanding. In the same way it happens - just transformation. But later on you must know how to maintain and how to keep it up, that's all. Once it is managed it can be worked out. Many people have done it, and you should be able to do it also. But try not to see others. See yourself first. That's very important. That is a very important part. If you can put your hands towards me, like this just, and close your eyes, just close your eyes. If your hands are shaking or your body is shaking or your eyes are fluttering, I mean the eyelids, then you open your eyes and just watch me, just watch me on my forehead. Have you been to some guru or someone? No one? What do you do for your work? Seeker: I’m a clerk. Shri Mataji: Ah, that's it. Ah, the right side is too much used. Should work out. Are you shaking also? No? You are getting cool breeze? It's great. Are you getting? Not yet. None of the fingers? Which one? Did you go to any guru or anyone? Did you to anyone? Guru or anyone? To spiritualist or anyone? No? Are you getting cool breeze? Good. Put both the feet straight. Relax. You are getting? Good. Close your eyes and enjoy your Self. Better now. Just do it like that, you see. It's more on the right side, is a problem. It's because too much thinking, thinking, you know. So the imbalance of…too much thinking also gives an imbalance, you see. All the time you're thinking, thinking, thinking. That gives you a trouble. It should work out. See, put your left hand on the stomach, the centre, yes. Put your right hand now towards me, like this. Now the shaking will be less. Put it there so you will be comfortable. It will reduce gradually. You See? This is nothing but there's nervousness inside, which has to go out. You see the nerves have been too much tortured by thinking. (laughing) Now it's better, soothing down. Much better, see? It will soothe down. Anne, there are some new people I see on the left hand side. Just see them, if they are realised, all of them. Just see some of these people who are there. Yah, just see. Have you got cool breeze there? Have you got cool breeze in the hand? What did you say? You have got it? Seeker: Yes Shri Mataji: Good. Good. They are from Brighton are they? Have you come from Brighton? No. Good. Jason, just see if they are getting cool breeze on the head also. This side, are there new people? You got the cool breeze? Seeker: Not sure Shri Mataji: All right, it comes so much that you'll get sure of it, all right? Just work it out. You can work out. There also. Peter, in front of you there, just see, someone. Behind is there someone sitting? He's come for the first time? How are you, Anna? Better? She's got it. Better now? It's better. Still there? Less, but much less. Just do it like that. Just throw it away. Throw it away. It has to go out. Now, let's see. Just imagine. Throw it away again, it’s horrible. Who's there? Left to the right, you just put him, left to the right for him. Come along Ruth, put it left to the right yes. They will do it. You put your right hand, yes. Are you better now? Are you feeling any cool breeze? How many years you have worked as a clerk? Clerk: Twelve. Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Look after his Vishuddhi and centre heart. He'll be all right. Yah! Vishuddhi and centre heart. Terrific, they are terrific people. All right, is she all right? What? Put your left hand here. All right? A little bit and put both the feet straight like that on the ground would be better. Like this, both the feet. Yes, let's see. She's all right, I think, she's got it. She's all right. What about this gentleman? Left to the right. It's nice you came to see me. Really, because anything could have happened, you know, with this kind of a tremendous pressure on your mind. It’s still there. It will be. That's how people get all these troubles, like diabetes, you see. Then even if they don't listen to that then they could get heart. Then you get other problems on the left hand side, you see. Even paralysis can be due to this. It's a very bad thing to work like that, worrying about it. Are you all right? It will work out. What is it, John? John Watkinson: Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Nabhi? Nabhi. Put your left hand on the stomach. Stomach, yes. What about him? Yogini: Left Nabhi Shri Mataji: Are you married? Seeker: I’m not Shri Mataji: You are not married? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: You don't want to marry? Seeker: I’m a widower. Shri Mataji: When was that? Seeker: About eight years ago.	null	null	null	What do we expect from Self-realisation? Caxton Hall, London (UK), 27 October 1980. The other day I was telling you about our growth within, after Self-realisation. The germination takes place very easily; the Kundalini rises very easily; also pierces the fontanelle bone area very easily. That is really, as you call it, ‘Sahaja’. It's a tremendous happening. It takes thousands of years for people to get realisation. That's also a fact. They had to be born again and again and very few selected got realisation. But today, as I said, the time has come for many flowers to become fruits. So this happening doesn't take much time, it’s just [a] split of a second in many people. But about the growth I was talking last time, I ended up at Self-realisation, what is Self-realisation is and what do we expect from Self-realisation. The first thing that happens to you, as you know, when the Kundalini rises, [is] that you start feeling physically better; your health improves. Though the Kundalini rises from the centre most nadi, called as Brahmanadi, inside the Sushumna, in the central part. And first thing that happens is the physical being which is helped. That is not the innermost core of every centre. The innermost core of every centre is the Spiritual. But how is it [that] first the physical being is helped? Is very interesting to see. The Kundalini rises through many centres, passes through Agnya, pierces through fontanelle, and becomes one with the All-pervading Power. So, first thing that receives the information is the seat of Sadashiva, is the seat of your Atma, your Spirit, on top of your head. But the Spirit is in your heart. So the first awakening takes place, or enlightenment takes place, in your brain. It’s a very important point to be seen. In your brain resides the conscious mind, that means the present, and when it is enlightened that means your awareness is enlightened; you get enlightenment in your awareness, in your attention. As I told you last time that attention is enlightened first. So through your attention you can find out what is the matter with other persons, you can find out what centres are catching, what your centres are catching. So, on the physical level, you know what’s happening. That’s the, we should say, the present. We feel our gross (physical) being enlightened, we can feel them on our fingers. But when the Kundalini is rising in your being, She goes straight on to the fontanelle bone area. Of course, if there is a hurdle or anything then She stops and tries to indicate. At that time, if She is not successful, for example you have got a liver problem, then She will come and throb at liver problem, informing you that there’s something wrong with the liver. That’s why a Sahaja Yogi has to give vibrations from outside. When the Kundalini rises above the Agnya, She goes up to this fontanelle and pierces. But when She cannot go beyond Agnya She spreads out here. She can spread out here also. And then She starts trickling down, the grace on the…or you can say She starts relaxing this area which is called as murdha (brain) and that’s how She makes more space in the Agnya. And this relaxation works out the outer side of the physical being. Also when She pierces through in anyone who has a simpler personality, who is not so complicated, first thing that happens is that the grace starts falling through from the sides; and the Grace starts falling into the Ida and Pingala and then She comes down by which She supplies Ida and Pingala. The Grace, not the Kundalini, you should not confuse these two things. Because of Her piercing, there’s an opening made and the Grace starts coming down, and She, I should say the Grace Itself, feeds all the centres from outside. So, first the physical being is improves. The second one, I’m now going from outside inside, the second one is the mental being. Now the mental being relates to our awareness as well, also to our sense of understanding, intellect and all those things. When the Grace starts flowing more and more within us, then our mental being gets enlightened. When the mental being gets enlightened then you start feeling centres of other persons. Some people you know just get cured. They don’t feel vibrations, nothing, just they feel cured. They get cured of cancer, this, that, all sorts of things. But they do not get vibrations, they do not get a feeling, they cannot make out whether it is this chakra or that chakra, they do not feel anything. So the first thing that would happen to anyone is the physical gift, the physical being improves - that’s the Grace of God. Because if you are not well, if you have some pains and some troubles and some diseases, how are you going to pay attention to God and Spirit? That’s very important. But before it comes to the mental self, something else happens also, that, when the Kundalini pierces, the falling of Grace first comes down to the lower centres starting from Nabhi downwards. And Nabhi is a great sucker, Nabhi starts sucking the vibrations, or you can say the Grace. And Nabhi starts getting awakened first of all. From Nabhi rises the Swadishthana Chakra which goes round and round, which is connected with Nabhi, so it flows to Swadishthana and then Swadishthana also starts working out itself. Swadishthana sucks in as much as possible and works out all the centres, I mean all the organs, which are supplied by it. But Nabhi, when it receives surplus Grace, then it starts opening, and its opening helps us in very gross material life also - you are helped materially. Supposing if you are materially absolutely hopeless, then you are not going to pay attention to God also. So it’s the responsibility of God to first give you a little material well-being. Like I received a letter and also on the tape they have mentioned about somebody who wanted to come to India, from Australia. She got her realisation, she felt very much better, and she wanted to come to India but she had no money to come, and that desire was there. Because of that desire in her she may not have put full attention to her Spirit. And that’s how our material desires get satisfied. And her daughter discovered, she had a bracelet, many bracelets and things she had, and she went to a jumble sale, for selling them for some sort of a programme they had for children. And they discovered that one of the bracelets that she had, which she thought to be a junk, was of gold, surprisingly. And she sold it for $1500. She was going to sell it for 20c, you see, (laughing). And that was exactly the amount needed for their travel, for both of them. Now one would say that - how it works out? It is miraculous, that’s all I can say, because the machinery is such. The pouring of the Grace within you, informs the Lakshmi Principle in the Nabhi. Nabhi just show them where is this. Somebody has to get up and show them, Douglas? Or someone. Douglas (Fry) come along. This is the one. And this has the deity of Lakshmi, She is the deity of your well-being. And this is what Krishna has said, “Yoga Kshema vahamyam” “When the yoga takes place, means when the Kundalini pierces through fontanelle bone area, I look after your well-being.” How does he look after? Through Lakshmi. Now this is a universal Deity. She’s present in human beings and also she is present in material things. It is such a fantastic thing that you cannot explain these things on human level, really it is difficult. Only thing you can see for yourself how it works out. It’s so tremendous. Like if you have to explain about human civilisation to an ant it’s going to be difficult - in the same way it is. It’s so difficult you see. And human beings they are so proud of their rationality and I find it impossible how to explain, but it does work that way. You can only see the working of it. But if you are proud of your rationality you go ahead with it, what can you do? But you just see for yourself how it works. So the second layer that really is improved is your material being. So many people have been helped, who are here, materially. The well-being has come, actual well-being, apart from satisfaction. But as I said, it does not cross the limit, like you do not become Mr. Ford! Because that’s some sort of a behaviour which is asahaja, to be so rich, I mean it’s ridiculous, vulgar! You become better than what you are, but not the best, because you have to be in the centre at a satisfied point. And everybody has to enjoy you and you have to enjoy everybody. But supposing if you are in dire necessities and problematic things then you cannot pay attention to God and that’s what He understands - that you cannot. If you have physical problem, if you have cancer, how can you say that, “You pay attention to your Spirit,” when you have cancer? I mean, such a body! After all if this whole house is going to collapse you cannot meditate here. So, first the physical stability is established and second is the material one. And there are many factors which work out material stability, automatically. First of them is that, once you find your Spirit, you just automatically give up your habits. Most of these habits come from your Nabhi, because from Nabhi Chakra you get your seeking. And you think, when you have a habit [that] you are seeking your joy. I mean, many people have said, “Mother, but I enjoy my glass of whiskey,” they have said to me, many a times. Or, “I enjoy a little ride here and there,” somebody has said that, “Mother, I enjoy some Kensington ladies,” you see, sort of thing. But once you start enjoying your Spirit, it drops out. All your attention becomes enlightened and your priorities change. You don’t enjoy these things that you have been enjoying before, so you just don’t do it. I mean, I don’t have to tell you, “Don’t drink!” you just don’t do it now. I don’t have to tell you that you don’t smoke, you just don’t do. But there are some very weak people, extremely weak, I mean, very, very weak people. They take time, I know. They plod and they are very slow moving creatures, but not all. I would say quite a small number and most of the people, they just give up things. You just give up. So you start saving money, automatically, because the money goes to the races or to the pubs or to other habits which are useless, you know they are useless: smoking, drugs, any such foolish things that you are wasting money on. And you start channelising this money for something better, something that gives you more joy, more happiness and of an eternal nature, not a temporary one, that you take the drink [the] previous night and in the morning you are finished! You get a drink that never finishes, which you enjoy all the time. You get drunk like that. Because in my own life I have seen, it’s such a so-called sophisticated elite life. People drink much more, you see, than normal people drink. And they ask me, “Why don’t you drink?” I say, “I am already drunk! The day I was born I was so drunk that, now, if I have to drink more I’ll fall off, so better not ask me!” They are quite frightened at my, this thing, I said, “I am really fully drunk already!” So they start looking at me! And they never find me anyway less in spirits as they are. Actually I’m always little more than they are, so they never force me to do that. But these things drop out automatically. I don’t have to tell you that you have to drop out. Because most of the things you have done [are] because you have been seeking something. You know, there are people, I asked them, “Why do you do this?” They said, “We are seeking love,” I said “How? How can you find love like this?” Or somebody will say that, “I am seeking God.” There are many people who are taking drugs, I mean, genuinely, just for seeking. But when they have found it, what they were seeking, they don’t take drugs. But this is one of the side issues, I was just trying to make it little lighter. But mainly what happens is that, actually the principle of Lakshmi, the principle of well-being within you is awakened. And if you listen to one of my tapes where I have described what a Lakshmi is, and how She is symbolised: it’s a very beautiful picture of Lakshmi that the great seers have put before us: That, She is after all a Mother, She is a mother. A person who is a rich man has to be a motherly person. But here you find, in the whole world I have seen [that] those who have even little money their nose goes up like that and if you see them from down below they look like wolves not like mothers - most surprising. And this Lakshmi who is a Mother, wears a white sari, very elegant, with a gold border. That represents that he doesn’t put people into awe by his pomp and show and this and that. She’s standing on a lotus. Imagine any human being standing on a lotus! That means that She’s so light in Her behaviour towards others. She’s so delicate, She touches people with such delicacy, that people don’t feel hurt, they are not in any way pressurised by the riches of people. But you know it’s just the opposite, if your so-called ‘rich’ you see! Horrible! If somebody’s coming in here I would like to get out of that door. They try to pressurise because they have money. You see, if somebody starts talking big, you just find out, 99% he must have won some horse race! This pressurising is a sign that he is not a lakshmipati, he has nothing to do with Lakshmi. So he’s so gracious. I have seen such people. I have seen some people like that. I have seen one in England you will be surprised to know. I have just seen him once. He was a gentleman who was some lord and something and later on he came to India and he was a Viceroy (Lord Mountbatten). And there was a gentleman who was very well known to us, he once met him in a train which was delayed or something happened and they had to get down at another station and somehow or other they were put together. And he was so simple and so good and so helpful that this gentleman was taken by him. He said, “Now better you come to my house because it’s not going to be any train you come to my house.” When he went to his house he was surprised the house was like a palace! And then he told he who he was, and he was amazed! And he even carried his bag with him. Such a simple man. And then, when this person told me that such a person is there, then he re-visited India, then he brought him to see me. But he’s no more now he’s dead this gentleman (killed by IRA bomb). But he was a very big man in India and a very big person but such a simple man! Such a simple person. So that’s the significance of well-being. So when a Sahaja Yogi becomes well-being, gets well-being then he has all these qualities in him that, he doesn’t impress on others that he has a property or he has got money and he should pressurise others. If he’s really a good Sahaja Yogi he would be the humblest of all and he would be very generous because in Her hand, one hand is like this. The left hand is like this, means She’s generous, She’s giving. All the time She’s giving. She’s not taking anything, She’s giving. And that’s how such a person is all the time giving. I have seen people who, after Sahaja Yoga, receive a lot of blessings and are miserly or try to oppress others, lose their properties and lose their money and really suffer a little bit. Because otherwise there’s no way of teaching them. So the generosity flows from Her hand and another hand is like this, which means that She gives protection to people. There have to be some people who are ashritas, are dependents, who just depend, from whom such a person doesn’t take any money, they just live. These systems are still in India. Those people who are well off always have about two, three people being supported by them. Is a system still working in India, in many places. I mean, in my father’s house we always remember we had people like that. They were educated and given higher education by my father free, just free. But never did they feel that they were anybody else, treated with same respect and with same dignity as we were treated. But that was a part of life, one had to do it. This is the ashraya, is that there should be some people depending on you. England also I’ve seen people have cats, dogs, things like that, you see, little bit they do spend on cats and dogs. But better to spend on human beings. What am I going to do with cats and dogs? Can I give them realisation? (laughter) It’s better to look after human beings than to look after cats and dogs so much! But I have seen that when they are dealing with cats and dogs they are very happy people, but with human beings they are very unhappy, I don’t know why. If you must have seen in the BBC and all that, when they have these advertisements I have seen in television sometimes, you see a person having a cat, she’ll always smile and joke and this. And anybody having children, she looks so miserable! (laughter) That should not be so. There should be somebody dependent. It’s not important to measure every money, to ask for 2p (£0.02) - “I gave you yesterday, will you return 2p to me?” It doesn’t behove a Sahaja Yogi to be like that. If it comes to that, alright, give some money - forget about it. It helps you such a lot, it helps you such a lot. To be meticulously so observant about how much money you lent - it’s better to be more worried about how much you have taken than to be how much you have given. It helps a lot. It’s a thing one has to realise in life, how much it helps. I have seen in my own life it has helped so many times. I mean you really have people then, around you. It’s a matter of 5 Rupees and 10 Rupees. It’s so important then to some people at a [certain] point, and it works wonders! I mean, you can have a human worth millions by paying sometimes 5 Rupees, it can work out that way. So try to be more giving and then you receive more as a Sahaja Yogi. Remember that now you are connected with Lakshmi. The more generous you are the more you get it. When you are small-minded you do no receive Her blessings. You have to give, you have to give. Once you give, it starts flowing, the stagnation is over and the flow starts coming in. Otherwise you are stagnated when your hand is, you see, tight fisted as you call it. English language has so many good words, though they are now losing their meaning! They call it you are very, I don’t know there must be some new words for being very, very miserly, some good word, you know, which doesn’t mean miserly but must be some ‘economical’ or something fantastic. But actually miserliness, is miserliness, give it whatever name you like, it’s horrible. And one should not take to miserliness, that is a curse I tell you, it’s a disease, it’s like leprosy, to be hated. Try to be generous. Now the generosity of maybe, I don’t know, but maybe of money, is not difficult for some people. But generosity of saying something good to others is rare. You see somebody in a good dress, you should be generous enough to say, “Oh, it’s fantastic, it’s beautiful.” What’s wrong? But jealousy, that goes against Lakshmi completely. It’s better that others are wearing it; you don’t pay for it and you enjoy it! (laughter) It’s very logical you just see. You see, if you own this hall, it will be a headache for you isn’t it, to keep it alright. I mean imagine the people who own it, and to put it right because everybody will come and criticise, “This is not good, that’s not good.” But it’s nice to be here, when it doesn’t belong to you, to enjoy it. It’s very simple. Just try to enjoy it, to be generous with people, be kind to them. This generosity is lacking. When this starts, then the inner core of emotional being starts getting enlightened. Go to the subtler side of material well-being and you start getting into emotional thing. Small, small things work out, very small. It’s very sweet. We have so many examples of this kind of little sweetness being expressed. And this generosity should come to all the Sahaja Yogis, of saying good things to others. Doesn’t matter [that] it is exaggeration, doesn’t matter, because it acts as a buffer. Then the fright of the strangers, fright of the neighbours, fright of other human beings, you know. Every human being has become now [that] he sees another human being coming, he recoils back. Imagine! First, I mean, say about fifty years back it was like dogs; if any human being saw another human being they used to bark! Now it is another way round. So, the fear of your brother, of your own kin and kith, of your part and parcel. They are your own, you don’t know, they are part and parcel of your being, you can feel it, after Sahaja Yoga you can feel it, I don’t have to tell you. You can feel them within yourself, they are within you. And then the sweetness of saying something sweet, of saying something sweet is so nice, is so rewarding, itself, itself, so rewarding. The movement of Shakti is always this way. If I give you love, love comes back to me. If I give you hatred, hatred comes back to me. And double fold everything. If I give you love, say 1 unit, I may get 7 units of love. But if I give you hatred of 1, that too, 7 units of hatred comes to you. The mathematics is complete. So try to understand that, emotionally, you have to understand your material well-being. How to express emotionally your material well-being is a very sweet thing. I would give you an example of Gavin because I can’t forget that very sweet incident: One day we had called some people, you see, I didn’t know there would be so many coming, in his house. And he has a house but, I mean, not so big like this. So there were about fifty people, around. And I told him, “Prepare some food for them.” But I thought for fifty people he could not have prepared, at the most for ten people! So I was quite embarrassed and I was waiting for people to go away, I didn’t say, “Stay on for dinner,” or anything, I thought, “Poor Gavin, how could he have cooked for fifty people?” And when they disappeared, about five, six were remained. I said, “Now let’s have dinner!” He was very unhappy and he was looking this side and that side, I said, “What happened?” But he didn’t say anything. So I slept that night in his house. Next morning I got up - still he was very uneasy. Next day I said, “What’s the matter? What’s playing on your mind?” He said, “Mother why did you ask all of them to go away? I had prepared [dinner] for fifty of them?” This filled me with such joy you can’t imagine! Tremendous joy, tremendous joy. I mean, that I cannot get over such things you know. And I have just seen so many Sahaja Yogis like that, very very sweet persons. Another is Gregoire, another very sweetie person, you know, the way he does things for others. Sometimes the way he works it out is so sweet, and how he really knows how to express himself sweetly in small, little things. It’s so surprising, how people are very beautiful and how they are working out these material things to express their emotions. Material is for emotions only, you see. My mother had a principal that, if she had six sarees, the seventh one she’ll present out. She had kept six; not more [are] needed, you see. And she was a woman of great principle, I must say, because she used to spin her own sarees. Can you imagine! And that’s what she used to wear, herself. And she was a wife of a very rich man, I mean, she had no problem of money but this was her principle, she used to live like that. And she said that, “What? I need six, more than [that] I don’t need,” because it’s cotton sarees, you see, so one saree you wash and next you wear and you can just press it. We had people in the house who could do that for her. She said, “There’s no need to have more than six.” And one she would keep for some occasion, you see, expensive one, if she has to go for a wedding and all that, that’s all. So the seventh was kept (to give away) and out of the six, if she got one more she would donate that to somebody. She would only keep up to six you see, that was her principle, and she managed her life very well. And I was also bit too much of a generous person and she always supported my generosity, always she supported it. And she was very happy when she found that I would just give away lots of things to people who came to my house and she would say, “Oh that’s very good, she should do that.” Everybody used to say that, “That should be done”. Always used to encourage me for such things that I did. But I found [that] all things have only value if I can give them away otherwise they have no value. And I keep only the things that are being presented to me all the rest pass out of my hands very easily into people. Anybody who says, “I like this,” “Alright, have it!” You see, I feel so happy to give it to them and it’s really rewarding. Now that person thinks, “What should I give you back?” I said, “Now please! That’s not to be done because you know already, come and see, this house is filled with things, and I don’t know how to get rid of them.” If I buy anything myself, of course I don’t earn anything so it’s from my husband’s money, I try to give it away . It’s very nice, it’s really extremely nice. After all what’s the use of these things in the house? What are you going to do [with them]? I mean, if you have to have a personal archives, you can have! You see, something like that, putting up this thing bought there, this thing bought there. But normally what do you do? So this kind of a generosity is to be developed within us. The aesthetics of generosity is to be seen. How you give things to others and how you express your emotional being. For people who are emotionally dry because of ego orientation, should learn these things, is very important. That will give them some emotional side also. [It’s] very much necessary for people who do not feel their feelings much, their joy much; they should try to do it [then] they will start feeling it much more. Then the emotional side is enlightened within us, the Grace starts flowing up to emotional side. In emotional side, first of all the purification takes place. That’s very important. To lead a very beautiful emotional life you must have pure ideas, otherwise you can never be emotionally alright. You see, like in a tree you have to have leaves you have to have roots, you have to have fruits, you have to have flowers at it’s proper places. Like in your house you have to have a drawing room, you have to have a bedroom, you have to have a bathroom; everything separated. You do not put them into a complete, what do you call that? A mixer. You do not make it like that, isn’t it? You don’t put your bathroom in the drawing rooms do you? I mean some people may start it with the kind of confusion they have these days! But normally you do not do it. In our own emotional life we must have pure sense. Purity of a sisterly love, purity of a brotherly love, purity of a wife’s love. For example infidelity: infidelity is impurity, infidelity comes when there is impurity. Without fidelity the marriage life cannot be happy. That’s the basis of married life. You see, “I like…” this “I like” business is impurity. The impurity in you likes it. Gradually, after realisation, you start developing that purity within you; you start understanding these are your brothers and sisters. As soon as your emotional life starts improving your innocence starts awakening up. You see? It is connected with your innocence. The left side is connected with your innocence. And then it starts flowering and you really become innocent. Now see the practical side: you go to somebody’s house, the gentleman has a beautiful wife, now your bad eyes on the wife, how can you enjoy? You cannot enjoy, the husband cannot enjoy, the wife cannot enjoy, all the time there’s a fear. Maybe the wife may run away with you or something may happen: the whole house will be finished, I mean, you are so destructive! So-called ‘charming’ men and ‘charming’ women are just destroying each others lives. Where do they land? All in the orphanages! A woman marries seven times, a husband marries eight times. All these old people are in the orphanage (old peoples home) and children are in another orphanage. You see, you are just creating orphanages by this kind of impurity in your mind. But by telling you, these things, you are not going to believe me, nor you can do it, but just when it happens. When this happens, the innocence, the joy of pure love, when there is no other impurity but just pure love for brothers, sisters. I mean, here, I have seen people don’t even sort of embrace each other - men. It’s most surprising, I mean, for us it’s something one can’t understand. So much impurity has gone into our brain that every man, is he that way wrong? When we came here my husband used to embrace every man; I told him, “Don’t do it, people will laugh at you!” He said, “Really?” He said, “But everyone is not like that, maybe one person.” I said, “No, they think everybody is like that.” You see, whatever they found pathological in one person, they think everybody is like that. These psychologists, whatever they read in one abnormal person, they try to see in everyone! Everybody is not like that! I mean there is no harm in understanding that there is only 1% people are pathological -who go to these psychologists! The others who are spoilt are because of psychologists themselves! They put ideas, “You have a guilt, you have a guilt, you have a guilt.” Even if you don’t have, you will have it! (laughter) They go on putting ideas into your heads. All this is supposed to be intellectual expansion, whatever you may call it, it’s all nonsense you see. A person who doesn’t commit sin you say, “Oh, he must have committed sin,” now he doesn’t know what to do he’ll come and say, “Alright baba, I have committed sin, now I have to confess. So I have to confess, yes I have committed sin.” They play about like this. They just try to build you up and all that and then they break you, shatter you completely and then you think, “Oh I am the most sinful person [who] ever lived!” If you were that sinful, do you think you will get realisation first of all? First ask yourself the question, “How did I get realisation? How did I feel vibrations? If I was that sinful, how could I get it?” Throw away all these ideas of these psychologists and tell them that we don’t believe you! You see, this is very few people who are really basically sinful. I tell you, very, very rarely, I have not seen anyone so far, except for these horrible gurus who are well known! After all they are the people who are rakshasas, they are not human beings, you see, so that’s a different category. But, otherwise, I have not seen basically a person who has nothing good in him. Because everybody has the Spirit. And definitely Spirit is superior much more dynamic than all the sins put together. What are these little, little sins here and there? What are you doing? And there’s nothing to feel so diffident about it. After all you are realised people, you are saints. You are to be respected. You have to respect yourself first of all. You are all saints, do you realise that? Once you realise you are saints you will start acting as saints, how the saints act. You will put yourself onto that pedestal of understanding that you are really saints, otherwise you won’t get vibrations. Go and ask anyone of these! They will tell you: the vibrations, only people who are saints get it. In India all the people are burnt when they die; not the saints, realised souls are not, they are respected. They say when the saints come to your house, that’s the day, is the day of festival. And all of you are that so don’t think that you cannot do this, and you have this guilt and you have these things - nothing of the kind! You are pure Spirit. Be very lavish about it! Of course, I mean, too much indulgences into these things, emotional life also, can lead you to a stagnation point. Like I hear people saying that, “There’s a lot of love between us.” But one has to be discreet in that also: does it make you universal or it makes you localised? You see, like Britishers for British, Indians for Indians, finished! If that love makes you universal, by which you say kindly things, by which you enjoy the love of other people, their vibrations. Whatever creed, race, it is, whatever part of the world they come from, they are Sahaja Yogis; if you start enjoying them, then know that that is love. It should not be localised in any way. If there is any group forming, then must know that it is not love, it’s not Divinity, it’s not. Divinity is universal, it embraces everything, everything. It has no discrimination of any kind. It only discriminates between evil and good, unrighteous and righteous, Christ and anti-Christ, God and anti-God but it does not discriminate on these three levels that is physical, appearances, mental approach or mental development or emotional expressions. Some people are emotionally very expressive. I would say English are less expressive by temperament maybe, that’s their temperament. Indians are extremely expressive. If you go to India, to a village, say, you go to Rahuri (Maharashtra), they will just take you in their embrace and would start weeping and crying with joy. I mean, you will be amazed the way they will love you, I mean, imagine! And for them it would be like, they wouldn’t mind even if they have to spread themselves on the ground for you to walk smoothly so that you don’t feel the horrible roads of India. That kind of tremendous emotions, the expression you will be surprised. You will be overwhelmed and sometimes shocked, you know, the way they are. But that doesn’t mean that English don’t love. They love in their own way; they understand that. So that’s how it should be that it is all embracing, all shades, all types, all permutations, combinations. Because this variety is created by God to create beauty and all the varieties must be accepted. Imagine you all looking just the same, how would it look? Horrible and boring! Every leaf is different, then what about human beings? But in that difference there’s the unity of Spirit and if you can feel that unity then you are emotionally absolutely correct and you are a realised soul. And, last of all, the most important, is your Spirit, Spirit that resides in your heart. All this beauty is only perceived when there is light in your Spirit otherwise you cannot see all this beauty, you cannot enjoy it. Spirit is the one which is the diamond which shines on this beautiful ring of your body, mind and your emotions. That’s the most important thing. That is to be achieved, to be absolutely absorbed into your being. That state should be achieved by all of you. But the growth, if the outside is not alright, then the inside cannot be carried by that weak outside. It’s such a strong thing spiritual life is a very strong thing; it’s so dynamic, it’s so powerful. Sometimes, you know, it floods me completely. I mean, I have to control myself; the love just shoots off from the being and just I want to give it but I wonder whether you’ll be able to bear it, so I have to control it a little bit [because] that flood may not be borne. So you have to enrich your outside to bear that inside beauty. And the more you enrich it, the more you make it strong, the more it will shine. It’s so simultaneous because one must understand that Spirit is love, is all intelligence, is all awareness, and it knows your problem. It slowly shines. It sees how far you can bear, how far you can go. Then after realisation, when you start looking after your outside, the inside starts shining by itself. But attention should be towards your Spirit. All these outside qualities are so joy-giving to the Spirit, you can’t imagine. Try them! You will enjoy yourself. We have not been able to enjoy ourselves much. If we could we would not [even] shun the jails, I mean I would be happy in a jail I tell you, because I can enjoy myself there better! But the one thing is there, you cannot enjoy yourself so much when you cannot share it with others also isn’t it? It becomes like that. Without sharing you cannot enjoy yourself. And that’s what should happen to all the Sahaja Yogis. At that level you should come. We should be at that level. Try to keep your level that high, is important. Sometimes you come down, you start criticising others. Others are also not right, for example, somebody sees somebody filthy, dirty, something like that. The person who’s filthy, dirty, of course there’s something wrong with that person, no doubt, but that person should be pitied. At least he should be clean. I mean, that’s the minimum of minimum. But instead of that if you start criticising that person, you also become filthy in your language, filthy in your mind and everything, so why [do it]? Leave it! Let that person improve by himself, to see that he has to be clean, he has to be neat, he has to be sensible. This is to be seen by that person himself and not by you. Where is your attention? It’s a habit in India, all the parents will ask the children when they are standing, “Where is your attention?” “Where is my attention?” alright. Then again he’s standing there, “Where is your attention?” Again he’ll be on the watch [out], “Where is my attention gone?” We have to look after our attention, that’s all. “Where is my attention? Is it on the Spirit?” Next time I’ll tell you more about the Spirit part. I hope you have understood how necessary it is to develop your inner being. In your mental being, egoistical nature is to be controlled very much. I have seen people who go from left to right, they become a egoistical. Those who go from right to left, they become frightened. All these side movements must be brought to the centre. You have to understand that from basics we have to rise higher. People have explanation for everything! No explanation is needed. Whom are you explaining? You are explaining to yourself, you are judging yourself. You have to judge yourself, [to] whom are you explaining? Mataji? She doesn’t need any explanation. I know, perhaps, everything, perhaps. But I don’t condemn you and in any way I do not want that you should be condemned by any chance at all, why should I? You are all saints after all. For me it’s the greatest satisfaction. But for your own growth I want you to understand that you are saints and you have to come up to that point. Saints have to be self-disciplined, nobody has to tell them. Discipline yourself, tell yourself, “I am a saint now.” What an opportunity it is to grow! What an opportunity! And people are only going to believe in you when you are really the saint within and saint without. In Sahaja Yoga, people become saints within and not saints without easily. But in other systems they are first made outside, you see, they are made to work for 25 years just washing the temple - finished! Then they are made to do something else for 25 years. By the time they are about to [be] dead they’ll say, “Alright, next time we’ll give you realisation.” It’s like that. But here, from inside you have really achieved your realisation no doubt, and you have greater chances of improving. This is what I thought, that, “This lifetime I am just going to give realisation to all the people who come to me - let’s see.” And you are going to do full justice to my bold step because now you’ve got it. It is going to work out much faster. It has to work out. This was the only way it could have worked out faster than to make you, first of all, wash yourself every day, get up at 4 o’clock and make you like military people . I said, “No, let’s try this way.” And it’s done, it’s happening, it’s so simple. Then the self-discipline must start. And you must try to improve your light, which is just kindled, to make it a beautiful light, clean light and generous, giving light, the light of love. It will work out I am sure. Keep your standards high. Do not fall down. Put your attention into proper gear. It’s all prophesised, as you know. Blake has prophesised it. The more I read the book the more I am convinced that England is going to be the Jerusalem. Now think of that. No lethargy allowed. While I find Australians are coming up much faster. You have to prove Blake’s prophesy. May God bless you. All of you. Cooly, can you give me some water please? Look at the children!! Thank you very much. If you could arrange a seminar Gavin, anytime, for three days, I can postpone my going to India. As I would like to have a seminar sometime. Gavin: We can get a place in Sussex, from the, I think it's the twelfth, no the eleventh, to the thirteenth, that's a mid-week time. We can have about 45-50 people. Shri Mataji: We have many more. I would like to have it on a Saturday Sunday somewhere. Gavin: We can find somewhere but it is difficult to get these places for a weekend. We're still trying. Shri Mataji: I think in a, any place, like Brighton or something you might get it, or why not hire a boat? Isn't it a good idea? Gavin: We can see what we can do. Shri Mataji: Isn’t it a good idea? Actually I was looking out for a ship. If one of the Shipping Corporation ships had arrived, I thought we'll go and stay in a ship, would be a good idea, because it always is there for about three four days. But there's no ship arriving in this month otherwise, we could have done it. Some sort of a boat for two days you can hire, a big boat where all of us could be there on a Saturday Sunday. We should be there, it's important. Before I leave I would like to fix some certain screws. I mean, you can have it on Thames River if you want. Or Brighton, do you have boats or things? No? Just find out. So that should be resolved and then I will arrange my going accordingly. If there is any program like that I will postpone it. But I would like to know as soon as possible. As I have told you before that Sahaja Yoga has no technique; it's a spontaneous happening which takes place. Now the flower becomes the fruit, it has no technique, but the sun has to come to do the job, you see, and that technique is beyond our understanding. In the same way it happens - just transformation. But later on you must know how to maintain and how to keep it up, that's all. Once it is managed it can be worked out. Many people have done it, and you should be able to do it also. But try not to see others. See yourself first. That's very important. That is a very important part. If you can put your hands towards me, like this just, and close your eyes, just close your eyes. If your hands are shaking or your body is shaking or your eyes are fluttering, I mean the eyelids, then you open your eyes and just watch me, just watch me on my forehead. Have you been to some guru or someone? No one? What do you do for your work? Seeker: I’m a clerk. Shri Mataji: Ah, that's it. Ah, the right side is too much used. Should work out. Are you shaking also? No? You are getting cool breeze? It's great. Are you getting? Not yet. None of the fingers? Which one? Did you go to any guru or anyone? Did you to anyone? Guru or anyone? To spiritualist or anyone? No? Are you getting cool breeze? Good. Put both the feet straight. Relax. You are getting? Good. Close your eyes and enjoy your Self. Better now. Just do it like that, you see. It's more on the right side, is a problem. It's because too much thinking, thinking, you know. So the imbalance of…too much thinking also gives an imbalance, you see. All the time you're thinking, thinking, thinking. That gives you a trouble. It should work out. See, put your left hand on the stomach, the centre, yes. Put your right hand now towards me, like this. Now the shaking will be less. Put it there so you will be comfortable. It will reduce gradually. You See? This is nothing but there's nervousness inside, which has to go out. You see the nerves have been too much tortured by thinking. (laughing) Now it's better, soothing down. Much better, see? It will soothe down. Anne, there are some new people I see on the left hand side. Just see them, if they are realised, all of them. Just see some of these people who are there. Yah, just see. Have you got cool breeze there? Have you got cool breeze in the hand? What did you say? You have got it? Seeker: Yes Shri Mataji: Good. Good. They are from Brighton are they? Have you come from Brighton? No. Good. Jason, just see if they are getting cool breeze on the head also. This side, are there new people? You got the cool breeze? Seeker: Not sure Shri Mataji: All right, it comes so much that you'll get sure of it, all right? Just work it out. You can work out. There also. Peter, in front of you there, just see, someone. Behind is there someone sitting? He's come for the first time? How are you, Anna? Better? She's got it. Better now? It's better. Still there? Less, but much less. Just do it like that. Just throw it away. Throw it away. It has to go out. Now, let's see. Just imagine. Throw it away again, it’s horrible. Who's there? Left to the right, you just put him, left to the right for him. Come along Ruth, put it left to the right yes. They will do it. You put your right hand, yes. Are you better now? Are you feeling any cool breeze? How many years you have worked as a clerk? Clerk: Twelve. Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Look after his Vishuddhi and centre heart. He'll be all right. Yah! Vishuddhi and centre heart. Terrific, they are terrific people. All right, is she all right? What? Put your left hand here. All right? A little bit and put both the feet straight like that on the ground would be better. Like this, both the feet. Yes, let's see. She's all right, I think, she's got it. She's all right. What about this gentleman? Left to the right. It's nice you came to see me. Really, because anything could have happened, you know, with this kind of a tremendous pressure on your mind. It’s still there. It will be. That's how people get all these troubles, like diabetes, you see. Then even if they don't listen to that then they could get heart. Then you get other problems on the left hand side, you see. Even paralysis can be due to this. It's a very bad thing to work like that, worrying about it. Are you all right? It will work out. What is it, John? John Watkinson: Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Nabhi? Nabhi. Put your left hand on the stomach. Stomach, yes. What about him? Yogini: Left Nabhi Shri Mataji: Are you married? Seeker: I’m not Shri Mataji: You are not married? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: You don't want to marry? Seeker: I’m a widower. Shri Mataji: When was that? Seeker: About eight years ago.
10/31/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6705	You are to be Resurrected	England	Newbury	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	71	“You Are To Be Resurrected,” Public Programme, Newbury, England He was son of God and He came on this Earth with a very great message that you are to be resurrected. It is not only that you have to maintain yourself, and you don’t eat this and don’t do that and all those Ten Commandments, but He came to give us a message of our rebirth. We are to be born again; not by any just a ritual or some sort of a ceremony we go through, but there has to be something living that has to take place. He has always talked about [the] living God. So something living must happen and what happens when it is something living? When it is something living we start finding the transformation taking place. For example: you sow a seed and the living process starts; the tree starts transforming into the root and a shoot; and then the shoot start transforming itself into leaves and then into fruits. It’s not static: not that we take one piece from here and keep it there and it is transformed, but there is something that happens within, something very spontaneous which brings forth this transformation and you see it with your own eyes. And this transformation has to take place within you. Now, in a case as I told you of Cathy or someone like that one can say all right you must have consoled or you give her love and this and that she be consoled, but that’s not the point. As I told you there are many people who have got everything, still they are unhappy. And if you ask them they will say, “No, we don’t know. We are not happy. We don’t feel happy. There’s no joy in our lives. We have lost our heart.” They can’t explain but it is there. What have they lost? The time has come for the whole world to know their Spirit. This is the time which is prophesised even by William Blake where he describes England is the Jerusalem. The time has come for you to know your Spirit. That has to happen. It’s not a thing by which I tell you, you stand on your heads or hold your nose or start taking some names, like a one track mind going on chanting some names like madcaps. It’s not that, but something that must happen within yourself and that must transform you. Of course, one must understand [that] if it is a living process, you cannot pay for it. How can you pay for a seed to sprout? The seed doesn’t understand; the living process doesn’t understand money. It’s the dead work of human beings. How can you organise it also? You cannot! It’s spontaneous. There is no technique. It’s all built-in. The technique is built: in the little seed that you see, the whole technique of its growth is built-in. The technique is built-in and all its maps, how it is going to be, what tree it is going to be, how the tree is going to grow, in what height, in what thickness, everything is inside that seed. In the same way it is a spontaneous thing, which has to happen within you and if it is so we have to find out. That’s how the search started: people went to India, went all over the places to find out. They thought we cannot find the solution here let us go up there. It has to be that way, because if you grow too much outside you have to find out your roots. Because you develop that fear that you may not be able to sustain this outward growth unless and until you find out the depth or the source on which this is to be sustained. So people started searching and searching. I have met many of them, many thousands, and I find they were misled many a times. They were really misled. They were so anxious to get to it that whatever somebody said they just accepted blindfolded. People asked for money, all right take money. They starved themselves, collected money and gave this to these swindlers and these cheats and thugs. How can anybody exchange money for the Spirit? It’s absurd! It’s illogical. But we understand money to such a great extent, I was amazed, that we think that Spirit can be bought by giving some money to someone, or some sort of a material thing. Logically all these things have to be understood. Now to say that logically you cannot understand God, is wrong. You can, logically; not rationally but logically. There’s a difference between the two. For example, if you have not come to London, you have not seen London, I have not been to Newbury, I did not know it’s a beautiful place like this, then I cannot understand it. But if I have come here, then I see with my own eyes, “Yes it is so.” Then I have to say, “Yes I have seen it. It’s so.” I have seen it, I have felt it. I know it is so. Then it becomes, the whole thing becomes logical. But rationally if I sit in India somewhere in the corner and think of Newbury, “Now I am going to Newbury.” Just putting my wings of imagination outside: will I come to Newbury? But if I come, this is very important to understand, if I come here, actually I come here, in person, then I know the place and I know the people of Newbury and I know it. That means it has to be an actualisation. If it is not an actualisation then whatever you decide about it, this way or that, way is absolutely illogical, because you have not been there; very simple as that. Some people say, “We believe in God.” Some people say, “We don’t believe in God.” Both ways, whatever they are saying, they are doing it I don’t know how. If they believe in God, maybe it’s innately built in us to believe in God. But even they don’t believe in God, it’s all right, because they don’t understand; they have not been there. But you must keep yourself open: open to understand that if something has to happen to us, which is a living process, some transformation has to take place within us. It has to be an actualisation, not a lecture to you or a sermon to you, or some sort of a service and then you disperse. You must start feeling some transformation coming within. In the Bible itself, it is written: “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” Nobody can explain what it is like; they cannot. It is written that: “The Tree of Life will be fed by the water of life.” It’s a prophecy. Now what is Tree of Life? Where is it? Where does it exist within us? Nobody has tried to find out. They say, “You must have faith.” “Yes, whatever is said is true. You must have faith.” But if you have faith, after some time you will be disillusioned. That’s blind, absolutely blind. Because where is that Tree of Life, you have not seen, felt or it has not manifested. For this we can refer to other scriptures also, specially in India where people have been more meditative. As you have been more outward and seeking [the] overpowering of matter, in India people tried to find out what’s happening within. I mean there are genuine people also, not all are thugs. They are not in the market. They are hiding themselves somewhere in Himalayas and all these places. But in the sixth century only, we have the description of The Tree of Life. And the Tree of Life is shown here as you see. Now you are not to have blind faith in what I am saying, there’s no need. But you should not also deny me. You should try to understand what I am saying and see for yourself [if] it works out or not. If it does not work out we give another chance to you. Because you must know that I have come here to give you something, not take anything from you. I cannot take, that’s my nature. That’s how God has made me. It’s something funny, but I cannot take anything. If I have come to give you then there’s nothing selling, there’s no shop. Try! If you should be open it would help you better to understand what I am trying to tell you. Here now, you see the Tree of Life (chakra chart) and when this Tree of Life is given the water of life then what happens? How the nourishment reaches? And how it starts activating? It is as simple as connecting this machine to the mains. Any machine, say a television is there, once it is connected to the mains you can see the manifestation of the machine very clearly. And you are amazed [that] for a villager, if you show, that he is surprised, and he cannot understand how this is happening, how are these pictures coming, from where these music is coming, how these colours have been shown. He can’t understand it. In the same way, once your machine becomes connected, connected, with the Divine you start finding Its manifestation. Now in this picture we have shown you here the subtle being that exists within us: just like a structure of a seed you can say. As in the seed there is a primule of the germinating power. In the same way, in that triangular bone is the power which is going to give us rebirth. This is your own. This is your Mother who is going to give you your rebirth. She exists in all of us. She is dormant, but She knows everything about you. She is like a tape recorder. She knows all your past and She knows your seeking and She knows you value. She knows your defects and She knows what mistakes you have committed, who has troubled you and who has looted you, and who has deceived you. She knows everything. But She is dormant. She lies there in a dormant stage and She is called as ‘Kundalini’ in the Sanskrit language. Kundalini is the word [which] comes from the coiled. The word ‘Kundalini’ means ‘the coil’. And She is in three and a half coils, coiled together, and just like, they call it like a serpent, She is lying down there. But you have seen mostly, most of the energies are kept in a coil, because if any chord has to be used we put it in a coil always. The one end has to come out so it is kept coiled up there. Why this three and half is also a big mathematics which, of course later on, you can find out what is the meaning of this three and half coils. Just now, I will just give you a very, very short description, an outline, about this power that resides within us. It resides in the triangular bone called as sacrum. That is at the back of us, our backbone, at the lowest point. You can see there is a triangular bone behind. Now see this is called as sacrum. Sacrum means ‘sacred bone’. It has been found out that when the human body burns this bone does not burn. That is why they call it sacrum long time back. But the reason is the Kundalini is inside that bone. Now above that, you find there are six centres: one, two, three, four, five and six. And the lowest one is below that. All these centres are subtle centres which manifest outside our plexuses, the physical plexuses that we know of. These centres exist as energy pockets and they supply the two lines: you see the blue and the yellow line. They try to balance and arrange the power to flow into these two channels. These two channels represent within us, on the left hand side, the one which comes as the blue line which you see comes actually from the right side on top and comes down and meets the first centre there. This is the line of Ida channel which controls our emotional line. It controls our past and is also called as moon line. It is, it represents our desiring power, our desiring power. The another line you see is the yellow line which represents our power of action, through which we act. First we desire, we want to have something and then we act. So this line represents your physical and mental being which goes in the front side and the left side of the brain and forms the ego, which is a by-product of our activities for our actions. The first power of desire or the emotional power, when it acts, for example say Cathy was emotionally disturbed: her this power was acting too much and was using all the power from all the body and was creating a superego there. So actually on the left hand side and in the front is the ego and on the right hand side and the back is the superego, covering our limbic area which is in the brain above this centre. This centre, Agnya, is the centre of Christ. Christ resides there. People say Christ is within us. Where is He? Which part? Where is He placed? He is placed in this centre. Now when I say that He is placed in there, we can prove it. It can easily proved, because when the Kundalini rises and if She stops at that centre — which you can see and feel it, that it has stopped there — you have to take the name of Christ and request Him that, “Please allow the Kundalini to pass.” If He is awakened, of course, that can only be done by a person who is a realised-soul. Any Dick, Tom, Harry cannot do it: you cannot call Christ or anyone because what is the right you have got? There has to be a protocol, a connection by which you can call Him. Any such person when he calls Christ, He can be awakened and the Kundalini rises from there: that’s how you know this is the centre of Christ. What is the mantra of this centre? Surprisingly, it is our, Lord’s prayer. It’s the mantra. It’s not only the Lord’s prayer, it’s a mantra for this centre. And the weapon of Christ is forgiveness. When the Kundalini stops here, that means you think too much. Imagine all the Christians, or I can say the Christian nations, think too much. It’s surprising! We should not think at all. I mean Christ has done that for us. We are not supposed to think. But we think about everything, we plan about everything. We are mad with thinking. I mean, it grows like a mad weed. I was in Switzerland, there was a doctor who came to see me and he said, “Mother, you can cut my neck or you can break my teeth, do what you like but stop my thinking!” He just could not stop thinking. What is the solution for this thinking in Sahaja Yoga is you have to forgive. You have to forgive. If you forgive, then this centre can be resolved. But forgiveness is just a myth, because what are you doing? If you are troubled by another person, if you do not forgive that person, that person is successful. Because you go on worrying about it, crying about it, weeping about it, and whatever he wanted to trouble you for, you are just a complete proof of it. So forgiveness means what? What you are doing is to get rid of his power over you. And this is what Christ has said that, “Forgive” and the greatest thing He did on the cross was to say that, “Forgive.” Because these people really committed the real crime of crucifying the Son of God. But still He said, “Forgive for they do not know what they are doing". They do not know what they are doing, that He was the Son of God. It was impossible for people to believe Son of God. Imagine! Is He Son of God? What makes Him that? His resurrection proved it. Till then nobody believed Him. His disciples never believed Him. He looked like a very ordinary person, carpenter’s son, having hardly two robes to wear, living in a very poor condition. What made Him feel that He was the Son of God? His own knowledge about Himself. Now supposing, somebody is the Son of God, what should He do to prove it to human beings are just like walls? Sometimes I find I am talking to walls, absolutely, or to some people are looking this side, that side, and they are not understanding what I am talking. How are we to prove that He was the Son of God? It’s an impossibility. And if He was born in modern times He would have been crucified only when He was five years of age I can tell you! Because now we are so ego-oriented. That time people were stupid but now we think we are very intelligent: “We know everything! We know God. We can organise Him!” There are many who say that, “We don’t believe in God. We have created this world. We are the scientists. We are this.” Oh God! In this mad world, thank God He was not born, otherwise He would have been crucified much earlier. So, was is impossible to convince at the time that He was Son of God, but today we can prove it! Because at that time human beings had not reached that stage that they could be given Realisation. Today, Realisation is working en-masse. Even in England we have now quite a lot of people: “Even in England,” and I say. England itself is really a great country. It’s the heart of the universe. It’s the greatest country, as far as the articulation is concerned. And the source of all that is good comes from this country. But the people, English people, have lost their self-esteem completely I feel sometimes, the way they copy French and Americans and things like that. If they could have their self-esteem, I still say that the English youth are the best in the whole world. Surprisingly in my own experience I found that they are the best. But rather difficult nuts to be cracked! If they are cracked they are the best. And once they are there they sort it out because they understand. They are very scholarly. I think by temperament that they understand when I say, “You cannot pay money for that.” You cannot organise God, and something has to happen within you. Some actualisation has to take place. This is what you should understand if you are really an Englishman. Because anything stupid and illogical should be shunned completely. Now what is the transformation takes place [is] that, when this Kundalini rises, She passes through these different centres which are already exhausted within us. For example the second centre that is within us is the centre for our activity. Supposing, you think too much, your brains cells are to be replaced. This poor little centre has to work very hard to replace those cells in your brain. It starts working a bit too hard and neglects all other duties it has to do. For example, it has to look after the liver, the spleen, the pancreas, the kidneys and the uterus. But when people indiscriminately just go on thinking like mad — even thinking about God — what is it? It’s like, as I told you, not coming to Newbury and just thinking about it. It’s that mad. Then this centre it gets so tired, and so tired, it’s so exhausted that diseases like diabetes, liver and other complications, even [the] blood centre of this spleen can be so crazy with this kind of activity that one can develop blood cancer. For example, now we are supposed to be running a rat race. I mean we are supposed to be. We are in a race somehow. Everybody is in a race. Whether it is in the modern race or in any other race: we have to belong to a cult or some sort of a group where everybody is running a race, you see. In that racing we forget about the way we eat our food, then we rush about. We don’t even give rest to our different organs as it is required to balance its activities, [so] what happens that a thing like spleen get so upset, it’s so upset, that it does not know when to create more blood cells and when not to create. You are eating your food suddenly a telephone call comes in, you have to get the telephone. There’s a little child crying, you are looking after the child. Now you have to go to the office just leave your food halfway or whatever you have eaten and you just rush out. You run to the bus and the bus is missing so you run to another bus. All this madness make this poor spleen really mad because it does not understand what to do, how to supply the new blood cells, and the result is you develop blood cancer. It’s a very simple reason why people develop blood cancer. And then blood cancer we say is curable through Sahaja Yoga. It is. Actually cancer does not settle in to people who are realised. But it’s absolutely curable through Sahaj Yoga. All kinds of cancers can be cured through Sahaj Yoga, no doubt, but we are not here to cure people. Only those who are seekers the Divine is interested in. You will be surprised, a very rich man, I would say one of the wealthiest men from India, brought somebody to be cured and I said, “I am sorry Sir, I cannot cure this person.” And he said, “Why not? If you cure I’ll build a hospital for you, I can give an Ashram for you.” I said, “You may do whatever you like, but I am sorry he cannot be cured.” I did not tell him the reason for that, but the reason is this: this man has exploited many people, he’s tortured his wife, he’s tortured his children. He’s a horrible fellow. He has never sought anything good. He has no compassion. He has no love. He’s for himself, a very selfish and a tyrannical person. Tomorrow if Hitler comes and say, “Mother, you give me Realisation.” Do you think Divine is supposed to give him Realisation, because he thinks no end of himself? It is for the Divine to decide for you. It is not for you to decide for the Divine. The Divine has to say that you are all right. It’s just the other way round. Because you may do whatever you like. You may think that you must get all the blessings from God, but God has to know that whether He is going to be gracious on you or not. Even His anger is His graciousness. Because that is what you deserve and through His anger and wrath He is going to cure you and improve you. Sometimes we have wrong ideas also about our seeking. The seeking comes to us from the third centre which is in the navel. We call as ‘Nabhi Chakra’. Is the navel point. But it’s all in the spinal cord. Now this third centre is the centre which gives us seeking from the very beginning when we were amoeba. We started seeking food then, as we became higher and higher and higher in our seeking of food, we became human beings, then we started seeking say, money, position, power, fame. Then the spiritual seeking came: we started seeking in religions outside us, organising religions, calling God, devotion, dedication, but nothing worked out. So we started a deeper seeking, meditating. At this time also, people came down from all over the world to teach you meditation. Now meditation cannot be taught, it’s a happening, when you are in meditation. You cannot go to meditation: it’s not like a small little house or a temple or a building where you can enter into. It’s a happening. You are pushed into it. You just become in meditation. And this happening take place only when this Kundalini pierces this fontanel bone area and you get an actual baptism — actual, not artificial. You can see with your naked eyes, the pulsation of this Kundalini, the rising of this Kundalini and also the pulsation on the head here, till it stops and you start feeling the cool breeze coming simultaneously. That should happen to you; otherwise don’t believe in any tall stories. For which you cannot pay. For which you cannot think. For which you cannot organise. You cannot put in any effort. It has to happen spontaneously. So the question comes in: how? How it happens? It’s all in, in there. It’s your own, within yourself. But say there’s a light, say this is a candle which has got a wick which has got a wax, it’s just ready to be enlightened. Then what you do? You take one enlightened candle and bring it nearer the other and you get the results, finished. What do you do? The enlightened candle just acts as a catalytic agent, and enlightens the another candle without any effort, without any trouble. In the same way an enlightened person can enlighten another person. It’s very simple. But that person has to be enlightened. And the enlightened person must know how to maintain your enlightenment for the time being. Like a seed you sprout: now the children may sprout the seeds and they would not know what do with it. But a gardener knows: which sprouts the seed, then it takes all the saplings separately, looks after it, allows it to grow, then again puts it in the soil properly, watches for its growth till it comes to its maturity. He looks after it. In the same way the person who enlightened should be able to guide you up to that point. Such a person is called as ‘guru’ in Sanskrit language but he has to be a guru who should be able to raise your Kundalini. Because these days if you say the name of ‘guru’, horrible names and horrible faces start coming before me and they are not gurus they are just like satanic forces. They are horrible people. How can they be a guru, those who live on your money: parasites of the worst type! You should see that. I mean, if I ask you come and live with me, for no money at all, will you accept such a situation? And these are even worse. And much worse than any dog, I would say. Even the dog eats food at your house at least looks after your house! This is only one way traffic. You have to go on giving them money, money, money, money, becoming poorer and poorer and what do you get? Nothing! You must see their lifestyle, it’s absurd. They live on your money, they have all the weaknesses that a scoundrel can have and after few years you find they’ll land up in the prison. Already we have problems with the prison. So don’t allow any of those gurus come down here. Where will you put them? Like in Switzerland I went and saw one gentleman there. He told me that, “There’s a horrible guru who lives here. Mother please come and just pay attention to his ashram.” I said, “All right.” I went with him in his car, and looked at the place: a huge lavish place he has created for himself, with very tall walls like a big palace! And you could see from outside the amount of money this fellow must have gathered. And within eight days a nurse fell in love with a policeman, and this nurse was the private secretary of this guru who had used that nurse to poison some oranges to kill some people. And so the guru, the great, now is in jail for 14 years. All such horrid people what have they got to do with Divine? But they mesmerise, and once you are mesmerised your seeking becomes absolutely stupid and foolish. You cannot see you are mesmerised. You cannot understand how you are mesmerised. You don’t want anything for yourself. There’s another one who was coming here the other day, and he said that, “If you give me a Rolls Royce I’ll come.” Imagine! He was to come from America. He had already got 58 Rolls Royce from you people, from you, the English, very wise. I must say the wisest people in the whole world, have given 58 Rolls Royces to this 14 year old fellow! Now he has become yankee in America, taken away all your money, befooling you. He has 58 Rolls Royces, he wants 59th. I don’t know why he wants one more. Poor boys and girls, they don’t have so much money now. Here the young people don’t have much money. Like in our country maybe rich people's children get a lot of money, but here I find that the young people have to find their own way. They starved themselves, ate only potatoes and fasted, did all kinds of things to save money to buy a Rolls Royce for this scoundrel, just think of it! These are all seekers who did it. So foolish and stupid! And when he came they presented him with this Rolls Royce. My heart really weeps and I really don’t know what to say to this kind of foolishness people are doing. Naturally your parents do not believe in you! They think: what stupidity you are doing? I can understand. Even if they doubt me, I wouldn’t mind, because really this kind of stupidity you have done. And how can you believe such stupid fellow who asked for a Rolls Royce? You should have really given him a toy Rolls Royce and 3, 4 slaps on the face and he would gone back. That’s what he deserves. Now he got this Rolls Royce very nicely, he cheated you all and went back. And he’ll come back next year and you will be again doing the same thing for him! Now when some of the Sahaja Yogis went and asked these people that, “Why did you do it?” They said, “He has given us something so great. This is metal. If we give him the metal and if he gives us the Spirit why not do it?” It’s foolishness! Can you get Spirit for giving some metal? Can you? Spirit, can you purchase it or could exchange it? But from where this kind of stupidity walks into your heads? I mean you are not such stupid people. Most of them are educated in university: Oxford, Cambridge. Did you learn all these stupidity there? No! It’s some sort of a mesmerism I feel. Some stupid spirits have entered into their minds. That’s the only solution I can get. I cannot understand what is the reason for these people to go about buying Rolls Royces for their gurus. Then another guru comes up here and tells you, “I will make you fly.” Very big, big people are out to fly. But why do you want to fly? Do you want to become birds? Have you to become birds now? You have to become a superior human being, with superior value systems, built within you. You want to fly. I mean it is stupidity. Even if somebody gives you ideas like that, better ask him to fly himself, drop him from this leaning tower of Pisa and see where does he lie, which part. Why do you believe such stupid things, I can’t understand. You are supposed to be English. I mean at least Indians have great ideas about your brains. H. G. Wells has said that English will have one day having only heads and no bodies. But I don’t think that’s going to happen with the advent of all these stupid gurus coming here and you people passing out all your money to them. I don’t know what is going to happen. As it is we are suffering from so many other things, plus this kind of a nonsense coming all the spirits coming down. All this negativity working into us I don’t know what is going to happen to this country of ours. I don’t know. I can’t understand. Now everybody is meditating in this country, trying to fly. Imagine! Doing nothing, sitting at home, meditating: lethargy of the worst type! Trying to fly. This is what it is. That’s what has happened to our seeking in various ways, in this way or that way or that way. No, this is not to happen anymore, enough of it. You must get your Realisation. That’s what you have to have. The Kundalini has to rise and you have to get it because you are seekers of ages, ancient times. You are born today, here, to get your Realisation. That’s your right to have it, and not to be befooled by these people who just come here and exploit you and have floated a market and enterprises. Now this Kundalinis thing comes to you through that centre. When it comes to awakening centre, that centre of your seeking. Then you start seeing what you are seeking. You are seeking the joy of your Spirit, the bliss of peace within yourself. When the Kundalini rises and shoots off, the seeking is complete because you have found it: you are just there, no questions. Supposing you enlighten the light then what does the light do? First, she is asking for the light, all right, “I must have the light. I must have the light,” [then] she gives light — finished. Then you don’t sit there, you sit here with me and you give vibrations to people, you raise their Kundalinis, you awaken them and give them Realisation. Yes, it happens. You all have those powers. In a split of a second you get that and you become that. That’s your style [because] you are human beings, you are not worms. You are created out of the billions and billions of creatures, special ones, the chosen ones, to bestow this bliss upon you so that you enter into the Kingdom of your Father, the God Almighty, and enjoy your being and that’s what you are. Why are you wasting and frittering away your energy on these nonsensical people? Pay attention to yourself. Just find out what you are. It’s a very easy thing: it should happen to you. It has happened to so many in this country and should happen to people in Newbury. It is Cathy who has brought me here. Actually now I am on my way to India and you had this idea not to go out of London, because I have really travelling too much in Europe. Of course, I must say Europeans are also very sensible people: they can see through now. But I think you have to go through all that otherwise you would have never understood the value of Sahaj Yoga. Perhaps that was necessary for them to spend a lot of money on these gurus and to suffer from all kinds of diseases. There are some here sitting, from there only suffering from epilepsy and all kinds of horrible diseases like blood cancer. They are here, some of them sitting. Then you will realise the value of Sahaja Yoga which gives you bliss, joy and happiness. First of all it gives you the physical well being. It just gives you the physical well being. Like any place where God has to be brought in, you clean that place. So the Kundalini cleanses your physical being. That’s how you get your diseases cured. Cancer is very simple, extremely simple, to be cured, very simple to be cured. But for doctors it is impossible to accept that there is God, in the real sense of the word. Ah, they will have a photograph of Christ in the house. They might wear a cross, you see, that's at the most. But to believe that you can cure cancer through Divine power is an impossibility for them. But we have some doctors also here. But if they come to me they think they are all mad. Cancer is a simple disease. Now they have reached a point where they are coming nearer to Sahaj Yoga. On the left hand side and the right hand side we have certain areas, and now they are talking about these areas which exist within us and they say there is an attack from these areas which are built within us from the time of our creation, and these areas have those deposits and they send forth some protein matter, which we cannot identify otherwise, which might have gone out of circulation of evolution. When they attack us cancer is triggered. And now this I have said at least ten years back. I have been saying that there are entities who enter into us. ’Us’ meaning the central path, the middle path, the middle road. They come from the sides and attack us. But actually when we go to the extremes of the left or to the right, we ourselves become vulnerable and we are attacked and that’s how cancer is set in. So down below is the hell, the left side is the collective subconscious, the right side is the collective supraconscious, which is the future side of it. In the top is the Divine Power, which is the superconsciousness we can call it, or the collective unconscious as they call it, which becomes conscious as soon as the Kundalini touches it. Your attention goes there and the whole thing is lifted just like the tent being lifted up, and you find that nothing can enter into your attention anymore. You are in that area where you cannot get attacked. And this is what has happened to you, to many of you, and is going to happen to the rest of the people who have come here for the first time. I must say, Newbury, I must find out about it much more, because I find this place has tremendous vibrations. Only when our car arrived here I asked them, “Where is the water somewhere here?” I was not dousing but I can feel vibrations of the water somewhere. And the place has tremendous vibrations. Actually I was thinking, “How am I going to speak?” because as soon as I reached this place my whole body started emitting all kinds of energies from the body and I was really very much worried as to, “What’s going to happen now? What am I going to speak?” But this has worked out and I hope you have been able to understand it. Now for the rest of the details you just don’t worry. We have all the books and everything for your information which you can read later on. It’s is a simple thing, like coming in the room, you ask me how to put on the lights. I have to just tell you, “Just press the switch and it will be on.” In the same way everything is built within you, you don’t have to do anything about it. It will work out in no time. But once it is worked out then you [should] try to understand it, what it is, and try to maintain it for a while. And you will be amazed that, here in Newbury, you can start a centre of your own of Sahaj Yoga, giving Realisation to many people. May God bless you! Thank you. If you have any questions you can ask me. Yes, please. Man: Yeah I have got a question okay. Earlier on you were going on about if you have family, children, and such as, who interrupt you and the telephone. What were you trying to say? Do you want us just ignore this? Shri Mataji: Oh, not at all! If you are not married you cannot get Realisation. Man: Then what do you mean by this? I tend to think you are you trying to say that you must try and ignore household attractions and this… Shri Mataji: When did I say that? Man: I don’t quite know. I had a job to hear everything you say but… Shri Mataji: No, no, no! Who said that? Not at all! Man: What did you mean when you say, “The telephone rings..” What do you mean, “You must suddenly stop and answer the telephone,” but what do you mean? Yogini: Mother, it’s when you were talking about the spleen. You said that the trouble is that there are so many distractions that the spleen can’t handle it, and I think he’s misunderstood you. Man: Yeah, that’s right. Shri Mataji: Ah! No, no, no, you should only look after your child and not the telephone, I was meaning. You must have your priorities properly built up. Ours are not. What I was trying to say a child is lying there, you are eating your food, a telephone is coming, now you have to rush out, the child is neglected, you run away, you are worried about the child — never that [what you were suggesting]. You don’t know in Sahaja Yoga you have to be married. There’s a centre of marriage. You will be amazed. If you are a so called ascetic, I can’t give you Realisation. Another man: You can’t what? Shri Mataji: You can’t get your Realisation if you are an ascetic. So called. Asceticism is within yourself. A person like Guru Nanaka and all these great people they were all married people. It doesn’t mean that you have to give up your family at all. On the contrary, we have to have families, beautiful families and beautiful children and we are having Sahaja Yoga marriages. Do you know there are three or four couples here who were married through Sahaj Yoga. And they are beautiful people, they have beautiful children. And moreover I must tell you a greater news: that there are lots of realised-souls who are born in this country. And you have to be married so that they are born to you also. Now this child is a realised-soul, she is sitting, towards me. To be sitting that quietly is not possible unless and until they are realised. This Alison is born-realised. Man: My children, my three children: They are not realised and they are sitting here all quiet! Shri Mataji: Who? Man: My children, my 3 children, they are not realised so you are taking… Shri Mataji: How do you know? Let me see where are they? Man: One, two, three. Shri Mataji: They must be born-realised, I am sure. Man: They are not! They are not! Shri Mataji: How do you know? How do you know? We’ll tell them. How do you know? You don’t know, you are not yet realised but they are, must be I am sure, 100%. Man: Well it seems that anything you say, goes. Shri Mataji: We’ll teach you how to know. We’ll teach you how to know. You should get your Realisation. Where are they? I would love to see them. I can’t see them. Man: But they are quiet all the time. I say it’s instinct. Shri Mataji: Come along, come, come. They must be born-realised to be quiet like that. I would like to see them. I am sure. How would you know their value? I would love to see them. Oh that, she is realised 100%. Are you doubting her Realisation? She is born-realised. She is born as a realised-soul. She is born-realised, no doubt. I mean I knew, I was going to ask about her. How do you know? You are a great person to have three children born-realised, I must say. For example, the little one there is a born-realised and the little in that corner is a born-realised. And there are many born-realised people, also there are people who are there. Where is Alan is he there? Man: It’s just natural it doesn’t need a big word for it, does it! Shri Mataji: They are born-realised because they got their Realisation in their previous lives. It is a very big thing for people who are not realised. Man: What do they know about previous lives? They don’t know anything about previous lives. Shri Mataji: That’s what I am going to tell them. That’s why I am here. They are born because I am here. Do you know that? I am going to tell them what it is. See these, these are all born-realised [those] two people [who] are coming. Ask them about it. I never gave them Realisation they are born-realised but I gave them the knowledge about what they are. (Sit down my child, sit down.) They are all realised-souls, no doubt about it! Not [just] realised-souls but they could be very great souls born on this Earth. It is not [that] they are quiet because they are told to be. If they were not realised-souls they would have run away. They would not have been sitting because they are enjoying it. Their Spirit is enjoying it. You will know it very soon. Man: They will sit quietly anywhere! Shri Mataji: No, no, they might because they are realised-souls. Man: No, it doesn’t mean they are realised-souls, it just means they are children. Shri Mataji: They are very different types of children, very different type, something so unique. Once you get your Realisation you will start seeing their beauty much better. Oh! They know such a lot you can’t imagine. My four grandchildren are born-realised but my own daughters were not. What am I to do? And four of them are great people, but my own daughters were not. What to do? They are born-realised. You will see that. They are that. You should be a proud man. But you better get your Realisation, all right. I am happy you are so concerned about your children. I am very happy. May God bless you. Any other questions? Seeker: I am very impressed with what you said about Christ having done thinking for us and we ourselves are trying to think too much. Isn’t there a danger, if we all become child-like trusters, that we could be exploited? Shri Mataji: Yes, it is a danger, of course. I mean you are already exploited 100%. There is a danger, no doubt. I have already told you about the danger. But to become child-like is not easy. You can be befooled but to be child-like is the best thing. Innocence is the most powerful thing. If you are innocent nobody can touch you. But very difficult to be innocent. The centre of innocence has to be awakened within us, then you will be like children. Now would you say that Christ was exploited, many people feel that way that He was exploited: no! It was all planned very well. He just played a drama. Such people do not suffer. I do not suffer, never. Even if I say that I am suffering it’s just a joke. Never take that seriously. It’s a drama. Such people don’t suffer. He never suffered, in the sense you understand suffering. Of course, with the physical body you do feel little pain here and there. But you just see it as a witness. You are not really in it. And when you become that, yourself, a witness, nobody can exploit you. Because what happens you develop a new type of a dimension, an awareness, which is called as vibratory awareness. By this enlightenment of your fingers you become collectively conscious. Immediately you know who is who, what is what. Children know it, those who are realised-souls specially know it. Any funny man comes in they start crying and weeping. Like this girl’s father and mother were involved in a nonsense. They are here now. Both suffered a lot the mother became epileptic and all that. And this child used to scream whenever she saw their revered guru, and she used to shout and resist and she used to kick him. She is just a child but she knew how to protect. And these people with all their intelligence and education and this and that, were absolutely useless! Because you develop that new awareness within you by which you can feel a person, you know. You cannot be exploited. All right. That has to happen to you. That’s a happening. Such a powerful personality develops, such a powerful personality. That way, many of our Sahaj Yogis also think that I am a quite an innocent person, I mean they think so, but now they know I know everything. I may look such a fool, but I am not. And the powerfulness is such, that first the compassion, the compassion itself is so powerful, so engulfing, it’s so rewarding. Then you are not bothered about anyone. What are they going to do to you? Like in India when I started, right and left criticising, all these gurus, taking their names. I started saying, “Now these people are like this. These people, they are making money and befooling you.” Some of the guru’s people, who were [become] Sahaja Yogis, one of them was some Raja or some place, he came to me and said, “Mother, what are you doing? They will kill You.” I said, “This time let them try killing me! Who is going to kill me, I’ll see? That was done once for all. Now let me see who is going to kill me.” I said, “Let them lift their hands towards me, if they can they’ll shake. They cannot kill me.” It’s the most powerful thing is your innocence which we have lost sometimes foolishly. It is the highest thing. And nobody can exploit an innocent person, nobody can befool. You have seen simple village folk, how do they exist with all the cunning of the very well educated and sophisticated people, how do they exist? They can manage them just like this (clicks Her fingers) And you must see the intentions of the person: why a person should exploit, what is the need of the person. People don’t even see the credibility of a personality who comes here. It’s very surprising. Like one guru came here. I would say, it’s something, another foolishness who was living in a tin shed, that is what Peter told me in South Africa, and thousands and thousands of people are his disciples. To such an extent you will be surprised. I mean, I don’t know what to say, this is complete blindness. I went to Norwich, so far away. This fellow has come to London only. And I met three elderly ladies who were his disciples and this gentleman was later on found to be having whisky every night and using women, and he had all kinds of things. And his private secretary herself disclosed everything about him. And then they found it out and they verified it. But these three foolish women still said, “Whatever it is Mother we cannot give him up, we love him.” Now what to do to with such stupid women? You just tell me. I mean the question of you also wanting to get exploited! I mean he is exposed, everybody knows about it, this gentleman about whom I told you who was asking for a Rolls Royce, was caught for smuggling three hundred watches in India. I mean how can a man like that be interested in smuggling? Just think of that! But all these people who carried those watches went to the police and said, “We brought it for ourselves.” Three hundred watches this fellow was carrying! And they would not give in. And when he went to jail, they put a big show, and the Indian government did not know what to do so they said, “All right you take him away. We don’t want to keep him in jail that otherwise your government will come and say why our three hundred Britishers are arrested,” imagine! So they sent all the bad lock, stock and barrel back. So he came back here. From here he has gone to America. Now if you don’t want to see: I mean, isn’t it clear cut what I said? So clear cut. If you don’t want to see it what can you do? I mean I tell you, sometimes I feel it is the people who want to get exploited or they don’t want to see it. Now I would like one of them to speak to you it would be a good idea. Because you will know how he was caught and how he was disillusioned. Peter (Pierce)? Is he there, just tell him. So you will know how he was befooled. He was supposed to be a great, he is, he was, a great diamond merchant from South Africa; married a granddaughter of a Duke of your country, and that the granddaughter is also here. Peter? Where is he? Peter? I would like you to tell them what happened with you and how you got exploited. That would be a better idea. You have it from your own kith and kin. Just tell them. (End of Amruta recording) Shri Mataji: No, but the question is like this you were out, I must ask you the question is that, “Why did you get exploited like that? What happened actually, what happened to you people that you accept this kind of a situation, is the point, isn’t it?” Ah! That’s the question. (Peter talks for a long time at the request of Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji from time to time adds few words during Peter’s talk asking him to say how many years he was with this guru etc.)	null	null	null	“You Are To Be Resurrected,” Public Programme, Newbury, England He was son of God and He came on this Earth with a very great message that you are to be resurrected. It is not only that you have to maintain yourself, and you don’t eat this and don’t do that and all those Ten Commandments, but He came to give us a message of our rebirth. We are to be born again; not by any just a ritual or some sort of a ceremony we go through, but there has to be something living that has to take place. He has always talked about [the] living God. So something living must happen and what happens when it is something living? When it is something living we start finding the transformation taking place. For example: you sow a seed and the living process starts; the tree starts transforming into the root and a shoot; and then the shoot start transforming itself into leaves and then into fruits. It’s not static: not that we take one piece from here and keep it there and it is transformed, but there is something that happens within, something very spontaneous which brings forth this transformation and you see it with your own eyes. And this transformation has to take place within you. Now, in a case as I told you of Cathy or someone like that one can say all right you must have consoled or you give her love and this and that she be consoled, but that’s not the point. As I told you there are many people who have got everything, still they are unhappy. And if you ask them they will say, “No, we don’t know. We are not happy. We don’t feel happy. There’s no joy in our lives. We have lost our heart.” They can’t explain but it is there. What have they lost? The time has come for the whole world to know their Spirit. This is the time which is prophesised even by William Blake where he describes England is the Jerusalem. The time has come for you to know your Spirit. That has to happen. It’s not a thing by which I tell you, you stand on your heads or hold your nose or start taking some names, like a one track mind going on chanting some names like madcaps. It’s not that, but something that must happen within yourself and that must transform you. Of course, one must understand [that] if it is a living process, you cannot pay for it. How can you pay for a seed to sprout? The seed doesn’t understand; the living process doesn’t understand money. It’s the dead work of human beings. How can you organise it also? You cannot! It’s spontaneous. There is no technique. It’s all built-in. The technique is built: in the little seed that you see, the whole technique of its growth is built-in. The technique is built-in and all its maps, how it is going to be, what tree it is going to be, how the tree is going to grow, in what height, in what thickness, everything is inside that seed. In the same way it is a spontaneous thing, which has to happen within you and if it is so we have to find out. That’s how the search started: people went to India, went all over the places to find out. They thought we cannot find the solution here let us go up there. It has to be that way, because if you grow too much outside you have to find out your roots. Because you develop that fear that you may not be able to sustain this outward growth unless and until you find out the depth or the source on which this is to be sustained. So people started searching and searching. I have met many of them, many thousands, and I find they were misled many a times. They were really misled. They were so anxious to get to it that whatever somebody said they just accepted blindfolded. People asked for money, all right take money. They starved themselves, collected money and gave this to these swindlers and these cheats and thugs. How can anybody exchange money for the Spirit? It’s absurd! It’s illogical. But we understand money to such a great extent, I was amazed, that we think that Spirit can be bought by giving some money to someone, or some sort of a material thing. Logically all these things have to be understood. Now to say that logically you cannot understand God, is wrong. You can, logically; not rationally but logically. There’s a difference between the two. For example, if you have not come to London, you have not seen London, I have not been to Newbury, I did not know it’s a beautiful place like this, then I cannot understand it. But if I have come here, then I see with my own eyes, “Yes it is so.” Then I have to say, “Yes I have seen it. It’s so.” I have seen it, I have felt it. I know it is so. Then it becomes, the whole thing becomes logical. But rationally if I sit in India somewhere in the corner and think of Newbury, “Now I am going to Newbury.” Just putting my wings of imagination outside: will I come to Newbury? But if I come, this is very important to understand, if I come here, actually I come here, in person, then I know the place and I know the people of Newbury and I know it. That means it has to be an actualisation. If it is not an actualisation then whatever you decide about it, this way or that, way is absolutely illogical, because you have not been there; very simple as that. Some people say, “We believe in God.” Some people say, “We don’t believe in God.” Both ways, whatever they are saying, they are doing it I don’t know how. If they believe in God, maybe it’s innately built in us to believe in God. But even they don’t believe in God, it’s all right, because they don’t understand; they have not been there. But you must keep yourself open: open to understand that if something has to happen to us, which is a living process, some transformation has to take place within us. It has to be an actualisation, not a lecture to you or a sermon to you, or some sort of a service and then you disperse. You must start feeling some transformation coming within. In the Bible itself, it is written: “I will appear before you like tongues of flames.” Nobody can explain what it is like; they cannot. It is written that: “The Tree of Life will be fed by the water of life.” It’s a prophecy. Now what is Tree of Life? Where is it? Where does it exist within us? Nobody has tried to find out. They say, “You must have faith.” “Yes, whatever is said is true. You must have faith.” But if you have faith, after some time you will be disillusioned. That’s blind, absolutely blind. Because where is that Tree of Life, you have not seen, felt or it has not manifested. For this we can refer to other scriptures also, specially in India where people have been more meditative. As you have been more outward and seeking [the] overpowering of matter, in India people tried to find out what’s happening within. I mean there are genuine people also, not all are thugs. They are not in the market. They are hiding themselves somewhere in Himalayas and all these places. But in the sixth century only, we have the description of The Tree of Life. And the Tree of Life is shown here as you see. Now you are not to have blind faith in what I am saying, there’s no need. But you should not also deny me. You should try to understand what I am saying and see for yourself [if] it works out or not. If it does not work out we give another chance to you. Because you must know that I have come here to give you something, not take anything from you. I cannot take, that’s my nature. That’s how God has made me. It’s something funny, but I cannot take anything. If I have come to give you then there’s nothing selling, there’s no shop. Try! If you should be open it would help you better to understand what I am trying to tell you. Here now, you see the Tree of Life (chakra chart) and when this Tree of Life is given the water of life then what happens? How the nourishment reaches? And how it starts activating? It is as simple as connecting this machine to the mains. Any machine, say a television is there, once it is connected to the mains you can see the manifestation of the machine very clearly. And you are amazed [that] for a villager, if you show, that he is surprised, and he cannot understand how this is happening, how are these pictures coming, from where these music is coming, how these colours have been shown. He can’t understand it. In the same way, once your machine becomes connected, connected, with the Divine you start finding Its manifestation. Now in this picture we have shown you here the subtle being that exists within us: just like a structure of a seed you can say. As in the seed there is a primule of the germinating power. In the same way, in that triangular bone is the power which is going to give us rebirth. This is your own. This is your Mother who is going to give you your rebirth. She exists in all of us. She is dormant, but She knows everything about you. She is like a tape recorder. She knows all your past and She knows your seeking and She knows you value. She knows your defects and She knows what mistakes you have committed, who has troubled you and who has looted you, and who has deceived you. She knows everything. But She is dormant. She lies there in a dormant stage and She is called as ‘Kundalini’ in the Sanskrit language. Kundalini is the word [which] comes from the coiled. The word ‘Kundalini’ means ‘the coil’. And She is in three and a half coils, coiled together, and just like, they call it like a serpent, She is lying down there. But you have seen mostly, most of the energies are kept in a coil, because if any chord has to be used we put it in a coil always. The one end has to come out so it is kept coiled up there. Why this three and half is also a big mathematics which, of course later on, you can find out what is the meaning of this three and half coils. Just now, I will just give you a very, very short description, an outline, about this power that resides within us. It resides in the triangular bone called as sacrum. That is at the back of us, our backbone, at the lowest point. You can see there is a triangular bone behind. Now see this is called as sacrum. Sacrum means ‘sacred bone’. It has been found out that when the human body burns this bone does not burn. That is why they call it sacrum long time back. But the reason is the Kundalini is inside that bone. Now above that, you find there are six centres: one, two, three, four, five and six. And the lowest one is below that. All these centres are subtle centres which manifest outside our plexuses, the physical plexuses that we know of. These centres exist as energy pockets and they supply the two lines: you see the blue and the yellow line. They try to balance and arrange the power to flow into these two channels. These two channels represent within us, on the left hand side, the one which comes as the blue line which you see comes actually from the right side on top and comes down and meets the first centre there. This is the line of Ida channel which controls our emotional line. It controls our past and is also called as moon line. It is, it represents our desiring power, our desiring power. The another line you see is the yellow line which represents our power of action, through which we act. First we desire, we want to have something and then we act. So this line represents your physical and mental being which goes in the front side and the left side of the brain and forms the ego, which is a by-product of our activities for our actions. The first power of desire or the emotional power, when it acts, for example say Cathy was emotionally disturbed: her this power was acting too much and was using all the power from all the body and was creating a superego there. So actually on the left hand side and in the front is the ego and on the right hand side and the back is the superego, covering our limbic area which is in the brain above this centre. This centre, Agnya, is the centre of Christ. Christ resides there. People say Christ is within us. Where is He? Which part? Where is He placed? He is placed in this centre. Now when I say that He is placed in there, we can prove it. It can easily proved, because when the Kundalini rises and if She stops at that centre — which you can see and feel it, that it has stopped there — you have to take the name of Christ and request Him that, “Please allow the Kundalini to pass.” If He is awakened, of course, that can only be done by a person who is a realised-soul. Any Dick, Tom, Harry cannot do it: you cannot call Christ or anyone because what is the right you have got? There has to be a protocol, a connection by which you can call Him. Any such person when he calls Christ, He can be awakened and the Kundalini rises from there: that’s how you know this is the centre of Christ. What is the mantra of this centre? Surprisingly, it is our, Lord’s prayer. It’s the mantra. It’s not only the Lord’s prayer, it’s a mantra for this centre. And the weapon of Christ is forgiveness. When the Kundalini stops here, that means you think too much. Imagine all the Christians, or I can say the Christian nations, think too much. It’s surprising! We should not think at all. I mean Christ has done that for us. We are not supposed to think. But we think about everything, we plan about everything. We are mad with thinking. I mean, it grows like a mad weed. I was in Switzerland, there was a doctor who came to see me and he said, “Mother, you can cut my neck or you can break my teeth, do what you like but stop my thinking!” He just could not stop thinking. What is the solution for this thinking in Sahaja Yoga is you have to forgive. You have to forgive. If you forgive, then this centre can be resolved. But forgiveness is just a myth, because what are you doing? If you are troubled by another person, if you do not forgive that person, that person is successful. Because you go on worrying about it, crying about it, weeping about it, and whatever he wanted to trouble you for, you are just a complete proof of it. So forgiveness means what? What you are doing is to get rid of his power over you. And this is what Christ has said that, “Forgive” and the greatest thing He did on the cross was to say that, “Forgive.” Because these people really committed the real crime of crucifying the Son of God. But still He said, “Forgive for they do not know what they are doing". They do not know what they are doing, that He was the Son of God. It was impossible for people to believe Son of God. Imagine! Is He Son of God? What makes Him that? His resurrection proved it. Till then nobody believed Him. His disciples never believed Him. He looked like a very ordinary person, carpenter’s son, having hardly two robes to wear, living in a very poor condition. What made Him feel that He was the Son of God? His own knowledge about Himself. Now supposing, somebody is the Son of God, what should He do to prove it to human beings are just like walls? Sometimes I find I am talking to walls, absolutely, or to some people are looking this side, that side, and they are not understanding what I am talking. How are we to prove that He was the Son of God? It’s an impossibility. And if He was born in modern times He would have been crucified only when He was five years of age I can tell you! Because now we are so ego-oriented. That time people were stupid but now we think we are very intelligent: “We know everything! We know God. We can organise Him!” There are many who say that, “We don’t believe in God. We have created this world. We are the scientists. We are this.” Oh God! In this mad world, thank God He was not born, otherwise He would have been crucified much earlier. So, was is impossible to convince at the time that He was Son of God, but today we can prove it! Because at that time human beings had not reached that stage that they could be given Realisation. Today, Realisation is working en-masse. Even in England we have now quite a lot of people: “Even in England,” and I say. England itself is really a great country. It’s the heart of the universe. It’s the greatest country, as far as the articulation is concerned. And the source of all that is good comes from this country. But the people, English people, have lost their self-esteem completely I feel sometimes, the way they copy French and Americans and things like that. If they could have their self-esteem, I still say that the English youth are the best in the whole world. Surprisingly in my own experience I found that they are the best. But rather difficult nuts to be cracked! If they are cracked they are the best. And once they are there they sort it out because they understand. They are very scholarly. I think by temperament that they understand when I say, “You cannot pay money for that.” You cannot organise God, and something has to happen within you. Some actualisation has to take place. This is what you should understand if you are really an Englishman. Because anything stupid and illogical should be shunned completely. Now what is the transformation takes place [is] that, when this Kundalini rises, She passes through these different centres which are already exhausted within us. For example the second centre that is within us is the centre for our activity. Supposing, you think too much, your brains cells are to be replaced. This poor little centre has to work very hard to replace those cells in your brain. It starts working a bit too hard and neglects all other duties it has to do. For example, it has to look after the liver, the spleen, the pancreas, the kidneys and the uterus. But when people indiscriminately just go on thinking like mad — even thinking about God — what is it? It’s like, as I told you, not coming to Newbury and just thinking about it. It’s that mad. Then this centre it gets so tired, and so tired, it’s so exhausted that diseases like diabetes, liver and other complications, even [the] blood centre of this spleen can be so crazy with this kind of activity that one can develop blood cancer. For example, now we are supposed to be running a rat race. I mean we are supposed to be. We are in a race somehow. Everybody is in a race. Whether it is in the modern race or in any other race: we have to belong to a cult or some sort of a group where everybody is running a race, you see. In that racing we forget about the way we eat our food, then we rush about. We don’t even give rest to our different organs as it is required to balance its activities, [so] what happens that a thing like spleen get so upset, it’s so upset, that it does not know when to create more blood cells and when not to create. You are eating your food suddenly a telephone call comes in, you have to get the telephone. There’s a little child crying, you are looking after the child. Now you have to go to the office just leave your food halfway or whatever you have eaten and you just rush out. You run to the bus and the bus is missing so you run to another bus. All this madness make this poor spleen really mad because it does not understand what to do, how to supply the new blood cells, and the result is you develop blood cancer. It’s a very simple reason why people develop blood cancer. And then blood cancer we say is curable through Sahaja Yoga. It is. Actually cancer does not settle in to people who are realised. But it’s absolutely curable through Sahaj Yoga. All kinds of cancers can be cured through Sahaj Yoga, no doubt, but we are not here to cure people. Only those who are seekers the Divine is interested in. You will be surprised, a very rich man, I would say one of the wealthiest men from India, brought somebody to be cured and I said, “I am sorry Sir, I cannot cure this person.” And he said, “Why not? If you cure I’ll build a hospital for you, I can give an Ashram for you.” I said, “You may do whatever you like, but I am sorry he cannot be cured.” I did not tell him the reason for that, but the reason is this: this man has exploited many people, he’s tortured his wife, he’s tortured his children. He’s a horrible fellow. He has never sought anything good. He has no compassion. He has no love. He’s for himself, a very selfish and a tyrannical person. Tomorrow if Hitler comes and say, “Mother, you give me Realisation.” Do you think Divine is supposed to give him Realisation, because he thinks no end of himself? It is for the Divine to decide for you. It is not for you to decide for the Divine. The Divine has to say that you are all right. It’s just the other way round. Because you may do whatever you like. You may think that you must get all the blessings from God, but God has to know that whether He is going to be gracious on you or not. Even His anger is His graciousness. Because that is what you deserve and through His anger and wrath He is going to cure you and improve you. Sometimes we have wrong ideas also about our seeking. The seeking comes to us from the third centre which is in the navel. We call as ‘Nabhi Chakra’. Is the navel point. But it’s all in the spinal cord. Now this third centre is the centre which gives us seeking from the very beginning when we were amoeba. We started seeking food then, as we became higher and higher and higher in our seeking of food, we became human beings, then we started seeking say, money, position, power, fame. Then the spiritual seeking came: we started seeking in religions outside us, organising religions, calling God, devotion, dedication, but nothing worked out. So we started a deeper seeking, meditating. At this time also, people came down from all over the world to teach you meditation. Now meditation cannot be taught, it’s a happening, when you are in meditation. You cannot go to meditation: it’s not like a small little house or a temple or a building where you can enter into. It’s a happening. You are pushed into it. You just become in meditation. And this happening take place only when this Kundalini pierces this fontanel bone area and you get an actual baptism — actual, not artificial. You can see with your naked eyes, the pulsation of this Kundalini, the rising of this Kundalini and also the pulsation on the head here, till it stops and you start feeling the cool breeze coming simultaneously. That should happen to you; otherwise don’t believe in any tall stories. For which you cannot pay. For which you cannot think. For which you cannot organise. You cannot put in any effort. It has to happen spontaneously. So the question comes in: how? How it happens? It’s all in, in there. It’s your own, within yourself. But say there’s a light, say this is a candle which has got a wick which has got a wax, it’s just ready to be enlightened. Then what you do? You take one enlightened candle and bring it nearer the other and you get the results, finished. What do you do? The enlightened candle just acts as a catalytic agent, and enlightens the another candle without any effort, without any trouble. In the same way an enlightened person can enlighten another person. It’s very simple. But that person has to be enlightened. And the enlightened person must know how to maintain your enlightenment for the time being. Like a seed you sprout: now the children may sprout the seeds and they would not know what do with it. But a gardener knows: which sprouts the seed, then it takes all the saplings separately, looks after it, allows it to grow, then again puts it in the soil properly, watches for its growth till it comes to its maturity. He looks after it. In the same way the person who enlightened should be able to guide you up to that point. Such a person is called as ‘guru’ in Sanskrit language but he has to be a guru who should be able to raise your Kundalini. Because these days if you say the name of ‘guru’, horrible names and horrible faces start coming before me and they are not gurus they are just like satanic forces. They are horrible people. How can they be a guru, those who live on your money: parasites of the worst type! You should see that. I mean, if I ask you come and live with me, for no money at all, will you accept such a situation? And these are even worse. And much worse than any dog, I would say. Even the dog eats food at your house at least looks after your house! This is only one way traffic. You have to go on giving them money, money, money, money, becoming poorer and poorer and what do you get? Nothing! You must see their lifestyle, it’s absurd. They live on your money, they have all the weaknesses that a scoundrel can have and after few years you find they’ll land up in the prison. Already we have problems with the prison. So don’t allow any of those gurus come down here. Where will you put them? Like in Switzerland I went and saw one gentleman there. He told me that, “There’s a horrible guru who lives here. Mother please come and just pay attention to his ashram.” I said, “All right.” I went with him in his car, and looked at the place: a huge lavish place he has created for himself, with very tall walls like a big palace! And you could see from outside the amount of money this fellow must have gathered. And within eight days a nurse fell in love with a policeman, and this nurse was the private secretary of this guru who had used that nurse to poison some oranges to kill some people. And so the guru, the great, now is in jail for 14 years. All such horrid people what have they got to do with Divine? But they mesmerise, and once you are mesmerised your seeking becomes absolutely stupid and foolish. You cannot see you are mesmerised. You cannot understand how you are mesmerised. You don’t want anything for yourself. There’s another one who was coming here the other day, and he said that, “If you give me a Rolls Royce I’ll come.” Imagine! He was to come from America. He had already got 58 Rolls Royce from you people, from you, the English, very wise. I must say the wisest people in the whole world, have given 58 Rolls Royces to this 14 year old fellow! Now he has become yankee in America, taken away all your money, befooling you. He has 58 Rolls Royces, he wants 59th. I don’t know why he wants one more. Poor boys and girls, they don’t have so much money now. Here the young people don’t have much money. Like in our country maybe rich people's children get a lot of money, but here I find that the young people have to find their own way. They starved themselves, ate only potatoes and fasted, did all kinds of things to save money to buy a Rolls Royce for this scoundrel, just think of it! These are all seekers who did it. So foolish and stupid! And when he came they presented him with this Rolls Royce. My heart really weeps and I really don’t know what to say to this kind of foolishness people are doing. Naturally your parents do not believe in you! They think: what stupidity you are doing? I can understand. Even if they doubt me, I wouldn’t mind, because really this kind of stupidity you have done. And how can you believe such stupid fellow who asked for a Rolls Royce? You should have really given him a toy Rolls Royce and 3, 4 slaps on the face and he would gone back. That’s what he deserves. Now he got this Rolls Royce very nicely, he cheated you all and went back. And he’ll come back next year and you will be again doing the same thing for him! Now when some of the Sahaja Yogis went and asked these people that, “Why did you do it?” They said, “He has given us something so great. This is metal. If we give him the metal and if he gives us the Spirit why not do it?” It’s foolishness! Can you get Spirit for giving some metal? Can you? Spirit, can you purchase it or could exchange it? But from where this kind of stupidity walks into your heads? I mean you are not such stupid people. Most of them are educated in university: Oxford, Cambridge. Did you learn all these stupidity there? No! It’s some sort of a mesmerism I feel. Some stupid spirits have entered into their minds. That’s the only solution I can get. I cannot understand what is the reason for these people to go about buying Rolls Royces for their gurus. Then another guru comes up here and tells you, “I will make you fly.” Very big, big people are out to fly. But why do you want to fly? Do you want to become birds? Have you to become birds now? You have to become a superior human being, with superior value systems, built within you. You want to fly. I mean it is stupidity. Even if somebody gives you ideas like that, better ask him to fly himself, drop him from this leaning tower of Pisa and see where does he lie, which part. Why do you believe such stupid things, I can’t understand. You are supposed to be English. I mean at least Indians have great ideas about your brains. H. G. Wells has said that English will have one day having only heads and no bodies. But I don’t think that’s going to happen with the advent of all these stupid gurus coming here and you people passing out all your money to them. I don’t know what is going to happen. As it is we are suffering from so many other things, plus this kind of a nonsense coming all the spirits coming down. All this negativity working into us I don’t know what is going to happen to this country of ours. I don’t know. I can’t understand. Now everybody is meditating in this country, trying to fly. Imagine! Doing nothing, sitting at home, meditating: lethargy of the worst type! Trying to fly. This is what it is. That’s what has happened to our seeking in various ways, in this way or that way or that way. No, this is not to happen anymore, enough of it. You must get your Realisation. That’s what you have to have. The Kundalini has to rise and you have to get it because you are seekers of ages, ancient times. You are born today, here, to get your Realisation. That’s your right to have it, and not to be befooled by these people who just come here and exploit you and have floated a market and enterprises. Now this Kundalinis thing comes to you through that centre. When it comes to awakening centre, that centre of your seeking. Then you start seeing what you are seeking. You are seeking the joy of your Spirit, the bliss of peace within yourself. When the Kundalini rises and shoots off, the seeking is complete because you have found it: you are just there, no questions. Supposing you enlighten the light then what does the light do? First, she is asking for the light, all right, “I must have the light. I must have the light,” [then] she gives light — finished. Then you don’t sit there, you sit here with me and you give vibrations to people, you raise their Kundalinis, you awaken them and give them Realisation. Yes, it happens. You all have those powers. In a split of a second you get that and you become that. That’s your style [because] you are human beings, you are not worms. You are created out of the billions and billions of creatures, special ones, the chosen ones, to bestow this bliss upon you so that you enter into the Kingdom of your Father, the God Almighty, and enjoy your being and that’s what you are. Why are you wasting and frittering away your energy on these nonsensical people? Pay attention to yourself. Just find out what you are. It’s a very easy thing: it should happen to you. It has happened to so many in this country and should happen to people in Newbury. It is Cathy who has brought me here. Actually now I am on my way to India and you had this idea not to go out of London, because I have really travelling too much in Europe. Of course, I must say Europeans are also very sensible people: they can see through now. But I think you have to go through all that otherwise you would have never understood the value of Sahaj Yoga. Perhaps that was necessary for them to spend a lot of money on these gurus and to suffer from all kinds of diseases. There are some here sitting, from there only suffering from epilepsy and all kinds of horrible diseases like blood cancer. They are here, some of them sitting. Then you will realise the value of Sahaja Yoga which gives you bliss, joy and happiness. First of all it gives you the physical well being. It just gives you the physical well being. Like any place where God has to be brought in, you clean that place. So the Kundalini cleanses your physical being. That’s how you get your diseases cured. Cancer is very simple, extremely simple, to be cured, very simple to be cured. But for doctors it is impossible to accept that there is God, in the real sense of the word. Ah, they will have a photograph of Christ in the house. They might wear a cross, you see, that's at the most. But to believe that you can cure cancer through Divine power is an impossibility for them. But we have some doctors also here. But if they come to me they think they are all mad. Cancer is a simple disease. Now they have reached a point where they are coming nearer to Sahaj Yoga. On the left hand side and the right hand side we have certain areas, and now they are talking about these areas which exist within us and they say there is an attack from these areas which are built within us from the time of our creation, and these areas have those deposits and they send forth some protein matter, which we cannot identify otherwise, which might have gone out of circulation of evolution. When they attack us cancer is triggered. And now this I have said at least ten years back. I have been saying that there are entities who enter into us. ’Us’ meaning the central path, the middle path, the middle road. They come from the sides and attack us. But actually when we go to the extremes of the left or to the right, we ourselves become vulnerable and we are attacked and that’s how cancer is set in. So down below is the hell, the left side is the collective subconscious, the right side is the collective supraconscious, which is the future side of it. In the top is the Divine Power, which is the superconsciousness we can call it, or the collective unconscious as they call it, which becomes conscious as soon as the Kundalini touches it. Your attention goes there and the whole thing is lifted just like the tent being lifted up, and you find that nothing can enter into your attention anymore. You are in that area where you cannot get attacked. And this is what has happened to you, to many of you, and is going to happen to the rest of the people who have come here for the first time. I must say, Newbury, I must find out about it much more, because I find this place has tremendous vibrations. Only when our car arrived here I asked them, “Where is the water somewhere here?” I was not dousing but I can feel vibrations of the water somewhere. And the place has tremendous vibrations. Actually I was thinking, “How am I going to speak?” because as soon as I reached this place my whole body started emitting all kinds of energies from the body and I was really very much worried as to, “What’s going to happen now? What am I going to speak?” But this has worked out and I hope you have been able to understand it. Now for the rest of the details you just don’t worry. We have all the books and everything for your information which you can read later on. It’s is a simple thing, like coming in the room, you ask me how to put on the lights. I have to just tell you, “Just press the switch and it will be on.” In the same way everything is built within you, you don’t have to do anything about it. It will work out in no time. But once it is worked out then you [should] try to understand it, what it is, and try to maintain it for a while. And you will be amazed that, here in Newbury, you can start a centre of your own of Sahaj Yoga, giving Realisation to many people. May God bless you! Thank you. If you have any questions you can ask me. Yes, please. Man: Yeah I have got a question okay. Earlier on you were going on about if you have family, children, and such as, who interrupt you and the telephone. What were you trying to say? Do you want us just ignore this? Shri Mataji: Oh, not at all! If you are not married you cannot get Realisation. Man: Then what do you mean by this? I tend to think you are you trying to say that you must try and ignore household attractions and this… Shri Mataji: When did I say that? Man: I don’t quite know. I had a job to hear everything you say but… Shri Mataji: No, no, no! Who said that? Not at all! Man: What did you mean when you say, “The telephone rings..” What do you mean, “You must suddenly stop and answer the telephone,” but what do you mean? Yogini: Mother, it’s when you were talking about the spleen. You said that the trouble is that there are so many distractions that the spleen can’t handle it, and I think he’s misunderstood you. Man: Yeah, that’s right. Shri Mataji: Ah! No, no, no, you should only look after your child and not the telephone, I was meaning. You must have your priorities properly built up. Ours are not. What I was trying to say a child is lying there, you are eating your food, a telephone is coming, now you have to rush out, the child is neglected, you run away, you are worried about the child — never that [what you were suggesting]. You don’t know in Sahaja Yoga you have to be married. There’s a centre of marriage. You will be amazed. If you are a so called ascetic, I can’t give you Realisation. Another man: You can’t what? Shri Mataji: You can’t get your Realisation if you are an ascetic. So called. Asceticism is within yourself. A person like Guru Nanaka and all these great people they were all married people. It doesn’t mean that you have to give up your family at all. On the contrary, we have to have families, beautiful families and beautiful children and we are having Sahaja Yoga marriages. Do you know there are three or four couples here who were married through Sahaj Yoga. And they are beautiful people, they have beautiful children. And moreover I must tell you a greater news: that there are lots of realised-souls who are born in this country. And you have to be married so that they are born to you also. Now this child is a realised-soul, she is sitting, towards me. To be sitting that quietly is not possible unless and until they are realised. This Alison is born-realised. Man: My children, my three children: They are not realised and they are sitting here all quiet! Shri Mataji: Who? Man: My children, my 3 children, they are not realised so you are taking… Shri Mataji: How do you know? Let me see where are they? Man: One, two, three. Shri Mataji: They must be born-realised, I am sure. Man: They are not! They are not! Shri Mataji: How do you know? How do you know? We’ll tell them. How do you know? You don’t know, you are not yet realised but they are, must be I am sure, 100%. Man: Well it seems that anything you say, goes. Shri Mataji: We’ll teach you how to know. We’ll teach you how to know. You should get your Realisation. Where are they? I would love to see them. I can’t see them. Man: But they are quiet all the time. I say it’s instinct. Shri Mataji: Come along, come, come. They must be born-realised to be quiet like that. I would like to see them. I am sure. How would you know their value? I would love to see them. Oh that, she is realised 100%. Are you doubting her Realisation? She is born-realised. She is born as a realised-soul. She is born-realised, no doubt. I mean I knew, I was going to ask about her. How do you know? You are a great person to have three children born-realised, I must say. For example, the little one there is a born-realised and the little in that corner is a born-realised. And there are many born-realised people, also there are people who are there. Where is Alan is he there? Man: It’s just natural it doesn’t need a big word for it, does it! Shri Mataji: They are born-realised because they got their Realisation in their previous lives. It is a very big thing for people who are not realised. Man: What do they know about previous lives? They don’t know anything about previous lives. Shri Mataji: That’s what I am going to tell them. That’s why I am here. They are born because I am here. Do you know that? I am going to tell them what it is. See these, these are all born-realised [those] two people [who] are coming. Ask them about it. I never gave them Realisation they are born-realised but I gave them the knowledge about what they are. (Sit down my child, sit down.) They are all realised-souls, no doubt about it! Not [just] realised-souls but they could be very great souls born on this Earth. It is not [that] they are quiet because they are told to be. If they were not realised-souls they would have run away. They would not have been sitting because they are enjoying it. Their Spirit is enjoying it. You will know it very soon. Man: They will sit quietly anywhere! Shri Mataji: No, no, they might because they are realised-souls. Man: No, it doesn’t mean they are realised-souls, it just means they are children. Shri Mataji: They are very different types of children, very different type, something so unique. Once you get your Realisation you will start seeing their beauty much better. Oh! They know such a lot you can’t imagine. My four grandchildren are born-realised but my own daughters were not. What am I to do? And four of them are great people, but my own daughters were not. What to do? They are born-realised. You will see that. They are that. You should be a proud man. But you better get your Realisation, all right. I am happy you are so concerned about your children. I am very happy. May God bless you. Any other questions? Seeker: I am very impressed with what you said about Christ having done thinking for us and we ourselves are trying to think too much. Isn’t there a danger, if we all become child-like trusters, that we could be exploited? Shri Mataji: Yes, it is a danger, of course. I mean you are already exploited 100%. There is a danger, no doubt. I have already told you about the danger. But to become child-like is not easy. You can be befooled but to be child-like is the best thing. Innocence is the most powerful thing. If you are innocent nobody can touch you. But very difficult to be innocent. The centre of innocence has to be awakened within us, then you will be like children. Now would you say that Christ was exploited, many people feel that way that He was exploited: no! It was all planned very well. He just played a drama. Such people do not suffer. I do not suffer, never. Even if I say that I am suffering it’s just a joke. Never take that seriously. It’s a drama. Such people don’t suffer. He never suffered, in the sense you understand suffering. Of course, with the physical body you do feel little pain here and there. But you just see it as a witness. You are not really in it. And when you become that, yourself, a witness, nobody can exploit you. Because what happens you develop a new type of a dimension, an awareness, which is called as vibratory awareness. By this enlightenment of your fingers you become collectively conscious. Immediately you know who is who, what is what. Children know it, those who are realised-souls specially know it. Any funny man comes in they start crying and weeping. Like this girl’s father and mother were involved in a nonsense. They are here now. Both suffered a lot the mother became epileptic and all that. And this child used to scream whenever she saw their revered guru, and she used to shout and resist and she used to kick him. She is just a child but she knew how to protect. And these people with all their intelligence and education and this and that, were absolutely useless! Because you develop that new awareness within you by which you can feel a person, you know. You cannot be exploited. All right. That has to happen to you. That’s a happening. Such a powerful personality develops, such a powerful personality. That way, many of our Sahaj Yogis also think that I am a quite an innocent person, I mean they think so, but now they know I know everything. I may look such a fool, but I am not. And the powerfulness is such, that first the compassion, the compassion itself is so powerful, so engulfing, it’s so rewarding. Then you are not bothered about anyone. What are they going to do to you? Like in India when I started, right and left criticising, all these gurus, taking their names. I started saying, “Now these people are like this. These people, they are making money and befooling you.” Some of the guru’s people, who were [become] Sahaja Yogis, one of them was some Raja or some place, he came to me and said, “Mother, what are you doing? They will kill You.” I said, “This time let them try killing me! Who is going to kill me, I’ll see? That was done once for all. Now let me see who is going to kill me.” I said, “Let them lift their hands towards me, if they can they’ll shake. They cannot kill me.” It’s the most powerful thing is your innocence which we have lost sometimes foolishly. It is the highest thing. And nobody can exploit an innocent person, nobody can befool. You have seen simple village folk, how do they exist with all the cunning of the very well educated and sophisticated people, how do they exist? They can manage them just like this (clicks Her fingers) And you must see the intentions of the person: why a person should exploit, what is the need of the person. People don’t even see the credibility of a personality who comes here. It’s very surprising. Like one guru came here. I would say, it’s something, another foolishness who was living in a tin shed, that is what Peter told me in South Africa, and thousands and thousands of people are his disciples. To such an extent you will be surprised. I mean, I don’t know what to say, this is complete blindness. I went to Norwich, so far away. This fellow has come to London only. And I met three elderly ladies who were his disciples and this gentleman was later on found to be having whisky every night and using women, and he had all kinds of things. And his private secretary herself disclosed everything about him. And then they found it out and they verified it. But these three foolish women still said, “Whatever it is Mother we cannot give him up, we love him.” Now what to do to with such stupid women? You just tell me. I mean the question of you also wanting to get exploited! I mean he is exposed, everybody knows about it, this gentleman about whom I told you who was asking for a Rolls Royce, was caught for smuggling three hundred watches in India. I mean how can a man like that be interested in smuggling? Just think of that! But all these people who carried those watches went to the police and said, “We brought it for ourselves.” Three hundred watches this fellow was carrying! And they would not give in. And when he went to jail, they put a big show, and the Indian government did not know what to do so they said, “All right you take him away. We don’t want to keep him in jail that otherwise your government will come and say why our three hundred Britishers are arrested,” imagine! So they sent all the bad lock, stock and barrel back. So he came back here. From here he has gone to America. Now if you don’t want to see: I mean, isn’t it clear cut what I said? So clear cut. If you don’t want to see it what can you do? I mean I tell you, sometimes I feel it is the people who want to get exploited or they don’t want to see it. Now I would like one of them to speak to you it would be a good idea. Because you will know how he was caught and how he was disillusioned. Peter (Pierce)? Is he there, just tell him. So you will know how he was befooled. He was supposed to be a great, he is, he was, a great diamond merchant from South Africa; married a granddaughter of a Duke of your country, and that the granddaughter is also here. Peter? Where is he? Peter? I would like you to tell them what happened with you and how you got exploited. That would be a better idea. You have it from your own kith and kin. Just tell them. (End of Amruta recording) Shri Mataji: No, but the question is like this you were out, I must ask you the question is that, “Why did you get exploited like that? What happened actually, what happened to you people that you accept this kind of a situation, is the point, isn’t it?” Ah! That’s the question. (Peter talks for a long time at the request of Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji from time to time adds few words during Peter’s talk asking him to say how many years he was with this guru etc.)
11/3/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6704	We Are All One	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	63	"We Are All One”, Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 3 November 1980. Today there are many new people I see again. It’s so heartening to see new flowers coming up every day to become the fruits. It’s so joy giving to know that I am here at the right time, when people are really seeking. They are really seeking to be transformed. They really believe that something has to happen to them. They are aware that there’s something lacking in the whole human personality, in the human race, that we cannot overcome the hurdles which look and appear absolutely absurd and illogical. So many problems we have individually, socially, politically, economically, appear very clearly: it is so evident to understand that the human fibre is lacking in something; that it’s the human beings who are responsible for this chaotic world, for all this modern confusion. For God has created a beautiful world, I assure you. It’s really a very beautiful world and He has created you also very beautifully. You all are very beautiful people, extremely beautiful. You cannot feel your beauty: then how can others feel your beauty? Because the light that shows your beauty is not there. You have fragrance, which is the fragrance of all the flowers put together. You are the essence of all the beauties of nature that is created; all the symphonies and all the music that you hear. All the art that you have created has come from you. That is your part. While you are the whole, you are the totality. But you do not feel your totality, that’s [what] the problem is: that human beings do not feel their totality. Out of you all this has come up. All this is your creation. But you cannot feel that, if your hand has produced something, it’s your hand; if your eyes have produced something, these are your eyes; that you are one; that in totality you will know the One who has created you. For example, supposing I do not have eyes: I may be able to see you partly - in the sense I can feel you - but I won’t be able to see you fully. If I don’t have [a] nose, I won’t be able to know how your fragrance is. In the same way, if you think of a human being as a part and parcel of the whole, then you can understand why the total experience is necessary. You have to feel that, sitting down here, you can know about somebody in Australia or maybe in Africa. We are very aware mentally: [if] anything goes wrong in the world, we all become alert and start thinking about it. For example, once the spacecraft (Apollo 13) was going to land, they were Americans, but Russians that time started worrying about Americans. All the communists forgot about their communism, the democracies forgot about their democracies. We all forgot what we are, so-called, [and] we just became what we are - human beings. Everybody was worried to find that the spacecraft lands. Very carefully they were watching it. They were about four, five people. Makes no difference to this world if the four, five die, does it? But it does make every heart beat faster. Something of the totality is getting lost. It was so important that time, that something so precious was getting lost. This is the subtler understanding of totality we have faced sometimes. Sometimes it comes up. To say that, “We are all one,” that, “we are brothers and sisters,” and “One God has created us,” is good to give a lecture like that, and many do that. It’s just a big lecture! To feel that you are one, something has to happen to you. Your heart has to be opened out; not rationally. Through your brain if you think something, it will have its limitations as rationality has its limitation. Your heart has to open out. And what resides in that heart, in the lotus of that heart is your Spirit, is your Atma. And the light of that Atma, the Spirit, enlightens you, enlightens your beauty, and gives you collective consciousness. It gives you. It’s an actualisation. It’s a happening that gives you [an] actual personality which can perceive, can feel, the collectivity that resides within us. As human beings we are many cells. There are many cells within us. All the cells are, somehow, capable of feeling the totality of one personality. Supposing there’s a pin prick on my finger, immediately the whole system goes into action and the hand is pulled out, the another hand reaches there and tries to stop the blood. The whole body feels unhappy, and you say, “Ah!” or something like that. All the cells are in unison, whether there is emergency or not. But today we are in the modern times. It’s nice to be modern. These are the times promised, long time back, in the ancient scriptures of India. Even William Blake has prophesised about these times to come: that England is going to be the Jerusalem. And here we are at Caxton Hall, trying to build it up. Modern times are the times of great confusion. The confusion comes because there is no integration. For example, if my finger touches some point where it burns, it is pulled out by itself. All the cells know that it should be pulled out. But supposing if it is touching my finger and burning me, and I am again pushing it down, that means there’s a confusion. And this kind of confusion exists when there is no integration among cells. In the same way, in the human beings, there are different selves and if they get disturbed and non-integrated, or disintegrated, then the confusion starts. When your physical self, mental self, emotional self and spiritual self are not integrated, then there is a confusion in a personality. The growth of human beings has been outside as well as inside. As you have been growing outside, there has to be growth inside. As a tree grows higher and higher, it has to seek the source of its sustenance. In the same way, the totality of [the] human race, which has advanced outside too much, is seeking; the totality is seeking the source inside. You are the cells of that totality which is seeking inside and not the ones which are seeking outside. That’s why I say that you are the seekers of Truth. Because the source of all the sustenance is the Truth, is the joy, the bliss, and the vital Life Force within us, which has given us all this power to produce outside, to create outside. That is why in these modern times only, there are so many seekers. There were never so many before, I can assure you, because I am quite an ancient personality (laughing). And it really gives me the greatest pleasure to know that somehow this outward growth has led to this kind of a mass seeking, and that there are so many people just ready to reach that point of Source. As I said, God has made you very beautifully. Every one of you are real creations. It’s a fact; which you will discover later on. Just now, you don’t have any light to see inside. There is no way you can take your attention inside. If I say you put your attention inside, you don’t know what to do; and with this many people have gone astray. There are people who have tried all kinds of things to believe that they are going inside, deeper into themselves. But one has to know one thing, that whatever knowledge you have today, has come to you from some unknown source. Because if it was known, it was not knowledge. Whatever is unknown has come to your knowledge. And whatever further has to come, has to come from something unknown. But the difference is that our awareness has come to us spontaneously. We have done nothing, nothing whatsoever to become human beings. I mean, just think, we were monkeys the other day! Imagine! And we were amoeba the other day, before. In seven days we have become human beings. How have we become human beings, we don’t know, why we have become human beings, we do not know. But, thank God, through science we know that we were not human beings seven days back. Why have we become human beings? The scientists have stopped thinking about it. They have turned round. You see, it’s better to turn round, your back. That’s the best way to avoid the Truth. Because you cannot find the Truth, you cannot know about it, so best thing is to turn round and say, “All right. Now we are human beings, so we have reached the end. Now let us go ahead with it!” But that’s not the way you can find the Truth. You will find the Truth the way you have found your awareness, spontaneously. It’s a living process. People don’t understand what [the] living process is. It’s so simple. If I tell you that, “To make this flower into a fruit I’ll have to stand on my head,” what will you think of me? You will think I am mad, isn’t it? Won’t you think that way, all of you? Or if you find somebody sitting in a posture which is very uncomfortable and saying that, “I am going into a trip of becoming a superior personality!” You may think, “Oh, he must be a great man!” But just think of it. Do you think that monkeys did some sort of a trick or a technique to become human beings? The poor things do not know any techniques except for copying human beings. And what technique amoeba could have put in? I mean just think of it. If you have to apply something to human beings, you have to apply it to all the animals too. What about the fishes? What technique they can do? They don’t even have hands! (laughter) Or, only you are the people who have to do something special to become something higher? It’s spontaneous. The only problem is that human beings are very difficult for spontaneity! I am sometimes surprised, when I have now studied them, how is it that they eat like this. They could have eaten like this [instead], because to do something straight is difficult for human beings. Anything straightforward, they think, “Oh, how can that be so simple. It’s silly, to eat like this, it’s absolutely silly. How can you eat like this? You have to put your hand round like that, and eat it like that.” That’s how we are not spontaneous. All that simplicity is not with us anymore. We are sophisticated, you see. I wouldn’t be surprised [if], next time, we might find people devising some technique of eating food, which is a simple thing. And if you see that everybody’s life has become nothing but a bundle of techniques. It’s such a problem, I tell you. Unnecessarily we are so confused, so upset and so worried. The tension is mounting up. We are planning something, and none of the plans come true. Now, see, in our country we have had five-year plans, three of them, the result is everything has gone to waste! In this country, I need not say. We plan out something and end up with a war or end up with some sort of a violence. The trouble with us [is] we cannot become simple people. We think to be simple is to be silly. But simple people have a sharp intelligence, extremely subtle intelligence; and they reach the point much faster than a complicated one, naturally, because he goes straight while the others go round, round, round, round, round. And that’s why, when I tell people that, “Sahaj Yoga is a spontaneous living process,” they think it is silly. “Why to do that?” You cannot do it. I am sorry. It’s your right. You just have it! You don’t even have to ask permission for it. Even if you go to somebody’s house, you have to ask permission. “Should I telephone?” You cannot think of such a right that you don’t have to ask any permission, it’s your own. It’s your own property. So much [your] own, that you cannot have such a property in the world, in the human language. Even if you have your ‘freehold’ house, you have to ask for permission for changing the shape of one brick! No permission is needed. It’s your own right. It’s your birthright. But still whatever I may say, you won’t understand how much it is your own because there’s nothing that is that own. It’s not comparable. It is that innate. Something that is beyond human comprehension. Now, there’s no map (chakra chart) here? We have within us a being which I call ‘the Spirit’: the Spirit which is also the part and parcel of the totality that is love, totality that is God, totality that is joy, totality that is knowledge. And that Spirit within us is watching us. It is not watching like a guard or a police inspector. That also we human beings cannot understand. If I say the Spirit is watching, people get a fright, “Oh God!” The Spirit is the one that is love. Can you understand total love? Can you understand something that just gives and enjoys giving, and not asking for anything? Can you understand someone like that? Can you? Loving for love’s sake; that’s what is your Spirit. It is watching you with that love, that total love. That totality of love is watching you to give you that what it is. Now here, I would say, you are the Spirit and you are this self, another one, which is this awareness, this human awareness which you have got. This human awareness has to be enlightened by that totality, that Spirit. When it enlightens that, then only, you know that you are a part and parcel of the totality and that you are beautiful; you are really beautiful. Sometimes one feels a little bashful to know how beautiful one is, and so fragrant, and so grand and so dignified. That new dimension one has to achieve. For that, God has placed within you the power, which is the germinating power which has to rise and to give you this Realisation: this is your Kundalini. About this in the Bible there is [a] reference of “Tree of Life.” To be nourished by the “water of love.” This is all prophesised. That, “He will appear before us as tongues of flames.” Two thousand years back Christ thought it was sufficient [to say this]. I mean, people didn’t allow Him to speak much, you see. They just saw to it that He would not explain Himself. Very ‘intelligent’ people. They could not understand the simplicity of Christ. He was the fundamental, He was the foundation, He was the support of this Universe. And they crucified Him. Wonderful! He was the Spirit. He came on this Earth not to teach you what Moses taught you, because Moses had already taught you what was to be taught. They did not come to repeat the same thing, but to give you a higher idea. Why? Why Moses said that, “Don’t do this and don’t do that!”? Why did He say? It should have a purpose. People don’t understand even this much. Why you should not tell lies? Why? What’s wrong? Why should you not steal? Why should you not commit adultery? What’s wrong? What goes wrong in it? Supposing there were no human laws: there’s nothing wrong in it. Do as you please! Why these laws were created? For what purpose? Because by observing these laws you stay in the centre, you don’t go to extremes. You don’t get lost, you don’t get attacked by negativity, by people who are trying to exploit you and to torture you, who are against God, who are against your evolution. But then, after all, the ultimate is to get your Realisation, to become one with your Spirit. That’s what it was [for]. All this show for what? For example, in a wedding you arrange everything and everything is bought, and the hall is arranged and is all decorated and everything; people are wearing very nice dresses; and there the bride doesn’t appear. So what? [So] it’s not a wedding. What is most important is that both of them should get married in the church where everybody is sitting down, or wherever it is decorated, in a temple; instead of that, all the decoration, if that becomes important and not the wedding, then what’s the use? I mean that’s exactly we are doing about our religions, believe me. I live near one Catholic church and I have lived always near some temple or a church or a mosque, somehow, all my life. And I have seen them making preparations all the time. Today they are singing beautiful hymns there. They have been singing for the last two years. Nobody’s bothered about their Realisation. Their parents must have sung. For generations they are doing the same thing. Very busy, you know, organising everything. Very busy, extremely busy, they have no time to talk to anyone. They are all preparing. But for what are you preparing, my children? What are you seeking? When are you going to see the bridegroom and the bride? That’s what it is: that Christ came on this Earth to give the second phase, to show the second phase of evolution, is the resurrection, is the resurrection of your being. What about that baptism? You are to be baptised. He came for that, and how many of us are really seeking a real, actual baptism? Again I say you don’t have to do anything about this seeking, you have to just ask for it, and it is going to happen. It’s going to happen. It has happened to many, many people all over the world. In England also it has happened. Of course, ups and downs are there, but it happens. It should happen to all of you that this Kundalini should rise, should pass through all the centres and pierce through your fontanel bone area, and you must get your Realisation. All other nonsensical things that people tell you, all other things that people tell you: you may go there if you like, I have no objection. There are people in this country who are doing horrible things like spiritualism. It’s very bad. It’s the most dangerous thing. I mean, the people are honest, so they call it ‘spiritualism’. Some of them are dishonest, they call it something else. But people from my country can be very cunning and they call it “guru business”. Business? It is an enterprise, regular enterprise. If you want to be befooled, I have nothing to say, you go ahead. If you have so much money, go and pay for their Rolls-Royces. It’s all right. If you are interested in yourself, and if you are really interested in knowing your Spirit and manifesting its power of collective consciousness, your own power and not the power of the guru, then please stick on to Sahaj Yoga. It’s a very subtle happening. It works out. But also one has to know that, after Realisation, you have to have self-esteem. You have to respect yourself and you have to work it out, otherwise it just disappears. It’s a very heartening thing. First, when I came to London, I had four people, then six people for four years. Can you believe it? And I was struggling with them. Because in Sahaj Yoga, now you must have understood, you cannot just pay some money and become the member. There’s no membership. How can you have membership for this? Can you imagine? Even the fishes could not have a membership when they wanted to cross over. You cannot become members, you cannot be branded anything, you have to get Realisation by which you start transforming. It’s a thing that has to happen to you. It’s not a thing that you can purchase in the market. I mean, it’s an insult. How can you pay for it? I mean just think! People are paying to the tree so that the flower becomes the fruit. It’s that absurd. Can you believe it? It is really that absurd. But it satisfies some people’s ego I think; which is a stupid stuff, I must say. If the people were not that egoistical, they would not have, they would never have, crucified Christ. It’s their ego which crucified Him. Stupidity, that’s what it was. The One who came for your emancipation was crucified by human beings. That’s the stupidity of the ego. Or maybe some sort of a stupid or, you can say, silly, belief that by giving 1p (£0.01) to the flower, it will become the fruit. That means you are naïve. So either it is ego or spiritual naivety that people do all these things and accept them. You have to accept only the Truth and nothing else. If it doesn’t happen to you, all right, [but there’s] nothing wrong with Sahaja Yoga. We’ll work it out again. Maybe there’s something wrong: you are not well; maybe you are suffering; there’s a problem. All right, next time and next time, and next time it’s going to work out that way. You must have patience with yourself; I have all the patience. Only thing that is needed is patience: no money, no effort, but patience and self-esteem. I think people who have got Realisation and have stuck on to it, are the people who are really very intelligent. They could see it so clearly because logically they have reached that point and they see that this is it; and they come to it, they get it and maintain it. I think the simplest way to understand Sahaj Yoga is that it’s your growth which is important to you; not what others are doing, what other people are like. For example, I have seen, also, some people come to Sahaj Yog, get their Realisation and then say, “You see, there was one man, he was a sahaj yogi and he said such and such thing!” What does it matter? What does it matter to you? What matters to you is your own development. I mean, in the West, people have lots of ways [of escaping] because they are quite brainy people and their brain is always thinking, so they will try to find out the way to escape. But in Sahaj Yoga you do not escape: you stand and see for yourself the Truth, the Reality, in the present. Don’t escape it, don’t try to escape! That’s the only thing, that’s the only understanding you must have that, “I am not going to escape it!” and not to be afraid or frightened of anything. It is going to work out, and work out for all of you, but do not try to escape it. There are so many ways and methods! I have seen it myself now, for the last seven years I have been here, can you believe it? And I have seen how people escaped. For example, a person may escape by saying, “I had a very bad childhood, and this is what happened in my childhood.” But I am not concerned with it. You are all right. Then somebody might come and say…there was a lady who came to see me and she said, “Mother, I am a prostitute.” All right, doesn’t matter. Come along, let’s try! There can be someone who might say that, “I am not yet ready!” That’s one of the commonest. Very common. It’s me who has to decide, not you. I will know that. Once you are realised, you will also know. That doesn’t matter. As I said, to understand totality of love, total love, you have to know that these are all just specks. The ocean, the oceans of oceans, of love will wash off these specks in no time. But have faith in yourself, that’s all. Have faith in yourself. After all you are human beings. From amoebic stage you have come to this; there must be something special about you, something real about you. This is one type who tries to escape. Another is who tries to aggress. No use, you cannot aggress me: impossible! You cannot aggress me because I cannot take anything from you. If you shout at me: all right, so what? I’ll give you love still. I am that type. Something queer, isn’t it? But I am really like that. I do not take anything from you. Can you understand that? I do not take your aggression; I cannot take it. If you aggress me, I absorb it. I have a shock-absorber. But by that you are delaying your own improvement. By the other method of escaping also you are delaying. Avoid these two things. It is you who has to gain, not me. I do not have to gain anything. I am here to give. I give because I enjoy that. I cannot contain within myself. The time has come for you to enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter now. The time has come. As many as possible have to enter into the Kingdom of God. That is your birthright. I have just come here to tell you that and to enlighten you: in the sense [that] the lights which are not yet enlightened are to be enlightened by one light. And if I am the enlightened light, why should you feel bad about it? I wish you could come here and become that. I wish you could raise the Kundalini and do the job. I’ll be very happy. I wish you could work this way. Oh, I would love to be your disciple! I have no disciples: these are all my children. The eldest one is now only ninety-eight years old. So, one should not feel hurt, the pride should not be hurt. I am doing all this to make you feel happy, and that you should not be in any way aggressed; in any way you should [not] feel that I am trying to exploit you. Because that’s the main problem people have that I am trying to exploit. But what are you going to give me, I would like to know. Why should I exploit you? Yesterday somebody asked me this question that, “Maybe, if we become like a child, we might be exploited.” I said, “The child can never be exploited! You cannot become like a child.” If somebody is an innocent person, then the innocence is the most powerful thing. If Christ was crucified, people think [that it’s] because He was innocent He got crucified. Do you know, He has got powers. In Sanskrit His powers are called as ‘Ekadasha Rudra’ - eleven destructive powers. He’s the most powerful destructive personality. But He has powers also to control it. And He is going to come back. [It’s] not that He is not going to come back. But this time He is not going to get crucified. He is coming back with all these powers. Then He is not going to talk to you or convince you, nothing of the kind, but He is going to work out the other way round. I have to give you a counsel and tell you, and make you understand that the time has come for you to get this. The sooner you get, the better; the sooner you establish it, the better. I am sorry today we don’t have the chart to explain to you about Kundalini, but these people have got some papers which you can read and understand, and later on, when you get Realisation, work it out and see for yourself. Do not come here for one day. There are some people who did not get tickets for the drama and have come. Such people are of no use. You have to be people of some quality, of some level. Otherwise Sahaja Yoga does not work out. It just spins you out. You see here the question is how many stick on, [it’s] not a question of how many are coming. Very few people stick on because the quality is judged. Every moment the quality of people is judged. Every moment your quality is judged, not by me but by yourself. The quality is judged not by me, but by you. You yourself will know that you have this problem. As soon as there is light within, you start seeing the problem yourself and then you know that this is the problem. And you are not identified with it because you are separated from it and you start curing yourself. I do not judge you at all. So this is going to happen and when this happens, then know that you have to get transformed to that beautiful thing which is being promised by all the sages, all the scriptures and all the great incarnations on this Earth. By which you will know how every religion is integrated, every incarnation is integrated and how these people are all related to each other and all are one family, those who are incarnations; while we are unnecessarily fighting among themselves. And how they are in unison and complete concord among themselves, while we are just fighting that, “This is mine and this is mine.” For this first of all your integration must take place. And that is a condition. If it does not take place, again we’ll work it out. We cannot argue it out, we cannot do anything of that kind. It has to work out. One thing I would request. Yesterday we had a little problem with someone who came quite drunk. It is the awareness which is going to be enlightened. If you are drunk it’s going to be difficult. If anybody who is drunk in this group, please be careful. You better go at the back, if you are drunk. I don’t know if drunk people know that they are drunk or not. But the fellow was drunk, no doubt, and everybody told me that he’s drunk and it was horribly bad. So I would request you, such a person who is drunk should go at the back, and somebody else will work. They need little intensive understanding. So this is what it is. We are now going to start this program. There’s no technique, nothing. Just your fingers are like antennae and they have the ends which have got sympathetic nervous system expressed and manifested there. We have to just get them enlightened so that the invitation to Kundalini goes through your channels within yourself – which I cannot explain to you but you might have seen in the paper – and that the Kundalini rises and that you get your Realisation. The first thing that happens to you, when the Kundalini rises above this centre, this is the centre of Christ. And He has done all the thinking for us; we unnecessarily are thinking. He’s done everything for us, there’s no need for us to suffer or to think. That part He has crossed. Now it is better that we have to enter into the Kingdom of God, that’s all we have to do. So when the Kundalini rises above this, you will feel thoughtlessly aware. That means you will be aware, but there won’t be any thought. It’s called as nirvichar samadhi. Sama-dhi. ‘Samadhi’ means ‘enlightened awareness’, ‘nirvichar’ means ‘thoughtless’. And then it pierces through your fontanel bone area. You start feeling a cool breeze coming towards you, from me. But later on you find it’s going from you. This should happen. This is the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost as described in the Bible. Of course, if there are Hindus…I don’t know [if] they read these days, normally they don’t read any one of their ancient books. But if they have read anything about Adi Shankaracharya – he has written volumes on this cool breeze, which he calls as Saundarya Lahari, or Chaitanya Lahari, meaning ‘the waves of beauty’ and the ‘waves of Chaitanya’. What is it, Gavin, in English? Chaitanya - is the vital, Divine Force. ‘Chetana’ means ‘awareness’, and cheteeta is the person who is enlightened. And the one who emits these vibrations, cool vibrations; is the one who is a realised-soul. We have many children in this country who are born-realised. And I have met some human beings also who are born-realised, but they are rather difficult people, I don’t know why. Though they are born-realised, they get possessed by their ego sometimes and they are not that evolved as they should be and they start behaving in a very queer manner. And their behaviour can be sometimes so shocking that it’s most surprising. And they mesmerise people and they take to all these things to assert their influence on other people. It is a very surprising thing that those who did not get Realisation through Sahaj Yog, and were born-realised, have not been able to express themselves sometimes. And then they felt that they had a knowledge which was not complete about it. And they felt they were different, and they tried to assert on others their ways and methods by learning mesmerism and things like that. It’s most surprising. But we have someone here already who is a realised-soul, who is here, who was possessed; who came here, got cured and she is all right now. So even if you are Realised, you can be possessed. But in Sahaj Yoga, the advantage is, after Realisation, you know all the techniques of the Divine Force, which is flowing through you. That means when you have to have the energy, you have to put to the mains. But once you get the energy in you, you should know how to manoeuvre it. Then you know how to protect yourself, you know how to improve yourself, how to cure others, how to give Realisation to others, how to awaken others, and everything you know, all the secrets; and the most secret techniques of the Divine Force are told to you. Of course it is all learned gradually by you, and you cannot pay for it, because you cannot value it. It’s not human. It is Divine. Thank you very much. Can you put your hands towards me like this. And you have to close your eyes. It is just the opposite of mesmerism, in a way, because people who mesmerise, they just look into your eyes or some sort of a thing like that. It’s very common; nonsensical. Please, close your eyes. Just close your eyes. It’s going to work out in no time today. You don’t have to try anything, that’s one thing. You don’t have to try. Just leave your attention free, absolutely free. Do not try anything. If thoughts are coming, I’ll tell you what is to be done, but just don’t try anything. Normally most of you will feel the thoughtless awareness, that’s the easiest thing. But supposing if thoughts are coming, then you just say, “I forgive all the people.” “Mother, I forgive all the people,” that’s all. That, if you say, Christ is awakened within you. Can you imagine? Just say, “I forgive.” “Mother, I forgive.” Say it thrice. From your heart you must say. After all, there’s nothing in forgiving. By not forgiving you are just heavy laden with nonsensical things. Just say, “I forgive,” and you will be surprised how light you will feel. Do not pay attention to any particular point. Let it go. Let it go. Also not to feel guilty. Please, do not feel guilty; that’s an escape again. Not to feel guilty, as I have told you. What wrong can you do? So just say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” Please say that, that’s very important. Say it thrice. It will help you. Just watch! Try this. (Mother is presumably demonstrating how to hold the hand above the Sahasrara) Are you feeling the cool breeze? Not yet? Just keep them like this: a little higher, little higher. Now are you feeling it? Gavin, remove this photograph. [If] somebody can remove the photograph would be better. Just move it. I can’t see. My photograph. Just remove it. That’s better, yes. Let’s see on the heads of the people. Some people can feel the cool breeze coming out of their heads, but not in the hands, maybe. Just see. Cool or hot. No, just a little higher: there? Some people are feeling, some are not. Just again see for yourself. Gavin, let’s just see just how many people are. Now we have here some of the people who are Realised and let them see.	null	null	null	"We Are All One”, Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 3 November 1980. Today there are many new people I see again. It’s so heartening to see new flowers coming up every day to become the fruits. It’s so joy giving to know that I am here at the right time, when people are really seeking. They are really seeking to be transformed. They really believe that something has to happen to them. They are aware that there’s something lacking in the whole human personality, in the human race, that we cannot overcome the hurdles which look and appear absolutely absurd and illogical. So many problems we have individually, socially, politically, economically, appear very clearly: it is so evident to understand that the human fibre is lacking in something; that it’s the human beings who are responsible for this chaotic world, for all this modern confusion. For God has created a beautiful world, I assure you. It’s really a very beautiful world and He has created you also very beautifully. You all are very beautiful people, extremely beautiful. You cannot feel your beauty: then how can others feel your beauty? Because the light that shows your beauty is not there. You have fragrance, which is the fragrance of all the flowers put together. You are the essence of all the beauties of nature that is created; all the symphonies and all the music that you hear. All the art that you have created has come from you. That is your part. While you are the whole, you are the totality. But you do not feel your totality, that’s [what] the problem is: that human beings do not feel their totality. Out of you all this has come up. All this is your creation. But you cannot feel that, if your hand has produced something, it’s your hand; if your eyes have produced something, these are your eyes; that you are one; that in totality you will know the One who has created you. For example, supposing I do not have eyes: I may be able to see you partly - in the sense I can feel you - but I won’t be able to see you fully. If I don’t have [a] nose, I won’t be able to know how your fragrance is. In the same way, if you think of a human being as a part and parcel of the whole, then you can understand why the total experience is necessary. You have to feel that, sitting down here, you can know about somebody in Australia or maybe in Africa. We are very aware mentally: [if] anything goes wrong in the world, we all become alert and start thinking about it. For example, once the spacecraft (Apollo 13) was going to land, they were Americans, but Russians that time started worrying about Americans. All the communists forgot about their communism, the democracies forgot about their democracies. We all forgot what we are, so-called, [and] we just became what we are - human beings. Everybody was worried to find that the spacecraft lands. Very carefully they were watching it. They were about four, five people. Makes no difference to this world if the four, five die, does it? But it does make every heart beat faster. Something of the totality is getting lost. It was so important that time, that something so precious was getting lost. This is the subtler understanding of totality we have faced sometimes. Sometimes it comes up. To say that, “We are all one,” that, “we are brothers and sisters,” and “One God has created us,” is good to give a lecture like that, and many do that. It’s just a big lecture! To feel that you are one, something has to happen to you. Your heart has to be opened out; not rationally. Through your brain if you think something, it will have its limitations as rationality has its limitation. Your heart has to open out. And what resides in that heart, in the lotus of that heart is your Spirit, is your Atma. And the light of that Atma, the Spirit, enlightens you, enlightens your beauty, and gives you collective consciousness. It gives you. It’s an actualisation. It’s a happening that gives you [an] actual personality which can perceive, can feel, the collectivity that resides within us. As human beings we are many cells. There are many cells within us. All the cells are, somehow, capable of feeling the totality of one personality. Supposing there’s a pin prick on my finger, immediately the whole system goes into action and the hand is pulled out, the another hand reaches there and tries to stop the blood. The whole body feels unhappy, and you say, “Ah!” or something like that. All the cells are in unison, whether there is emergency or not. But today we are in the modern times. It’s nice to be modern. These are the times promised, long time back, in the ancient scriptures of India. Even William Blake has prophesised about these times to come: that England is going to be the Jerusalem. And here we are at Caxton Hall, trying to build it up. Modern times are the times of great confusion. The confusion comes because there is no integration. For example, if my finger touches some point where it burns, it is pulled out by itself. All the cells know that it should be pulled out. But supposing if it is touching my finger and burning me, and I am again pushing it down, that means there’s a confusion. And this kind of confusion exists when there is no integration among cells. In the same way, in the human beings, there are different selves and if they get disturbed and non-integrated, or disintegrated, then the confusion starts. When your physical self, mental self, emotional self and spiritual self are not integrated, then there is a confusion in a personality. The growth of human beings has been outside as well as inside. As you have been growing outside, there has to be growth inside. As a tree grows higher and higher, it has to seek the source of its sustenance. In the same way, the totality of [the] human race, which has advanced outside too much, is seeking; the totality is seeking the source inside. You are the cells of that totality which is seeking inside and not the ones which are seeking outside. That’s why I say that you are the seekers of Truth. Because the source of all the sustenance is the Truth, is the joy, the bliss, and the vital Life Force within us, which has given us all this power to produce outside, to create outside. That is why in these modern times only, there are so many seekers. There were never so many before, I can assure you, because I am quite an ancient personality (laughing). And it really gives me the greatest pleasure to know that somehow this outward growth has led to this kind of a mass seeking, and that there are so many people just ready to reach that point of Source. As I said, God has made you very beautifully. Every one of you are real creations. It’s a fact; which you will discover later on. Just now, you don’t have any light to see inside. There is no way you can take your attention inside. If I say you put your attention inside, you don’t know what to do; and with this many people have gone astray. There are people who have tried all kinds of things to believe that they are going inside, deeper into themselves. But one has to know one thing, that whatever knowledge you have today, has come to you from some unknown source. Because if it was known, it was not knowledge. Whatever is unknown has come to your knowledge. And whatever further has to come, has to come from something unknown. But the difference is that our awareness has come to us spontaneously. We have done nothing, nothing whatsoever to become human beings. I mean, just think, we were monkeys the other day! Imagine! And we were amoeba the other day, before. In seven days we have become human beings. How have we become human beings, we don’t know, why we have become human beings, we do not know. But, thank God, through science we know that we were not human beings seven days back. Why have we become human beings? The scientists have stopped thinking about it. They have turned round. You see, it’s better to turn round, your back. That’s the best way to avoid the Truth. Because you cannot find the Truth, you cannot know about it, so best thing is to turn round and say, “All right. Now we are human beings, so we have reached the end. Now let us go ahead with it!” But that’s not the way you can find the Truth. You will find the Truth the way you have found your awareness, spontaneously. It’s a living process. People don’t understand what [the] living process is. It’s so simple. If I tell you that, “To make this flower into a fruit I’ll have to stand on my head,” what will you think of me? You will think I am mad, isn’t it? Won’t you think that way, all of you? Or if you find somebody sitting in a posture which is very uncomfortable and saying that, “I am going into a trip of becoming a superior personality!” You may think, “Oh, he must be a great man!” But just think of it. Do you think that monkeys did some sort of a trick or a technique to become human beings? The poor things do not know any techniques except for copying human beings. And what technique amoeba could have put in? I mean just think of it. If you have to apply something to human beings, you have to apply it to all the animals too. What about the fishes? What technique they can do? They don’t even have hands! (laughter) Or, only you are the people who have to do something special to become something higher? It’s spontaneous. The only problem is that human beings are very difficult for spontaneity! I am sometimes surprised, when I have now studied them, how is it that they eat like this. They could have eaten like this [instead], because to do something straight is difficult for human beings. Anything straightforward, they think, “Oh, how can that be so simple. It’s silly, to eat like this, it’s absolutely silly. How can you eat like this? You have to put your hand round like that, and eat it like that.” That’s how we are not spontaneous. All that simplicity is not with us anymore. We are sophisticated, you see. I wouldn’t be surprised [if], next time, we might find people devising some technique of eating food, which is a simple thing. And if you see that everybody’s life has become nothing but a bundle of techniques. It’s such a problem, I tell you. Unnecessarily we are so confused, so upset and so worried. The tension is mounting up. We are planning something, and none of the plans come true. Now, see, in our country we have had five-year plans, three of them, the result is everything has gone to waste! In this country, I need not say. We plan out something and end up with a war or end up with some sort of a violence. The trouble with us [is] we cannot become simple people. We think to be simple is to be silly. But simple people have a sharp intelligence, extremely subtle intelligence; and they reach the point much faster than a complicated one, naturally, because he goes straight while the others go round, round, round, round, round. And that’s why, when I tell people that, “Sahaj Yoga is a spontaneous living process,” they think it is silly. “Why to do that?” You cannot do it. I am sorry. It’s your right. You just have it! You don’t even have to ask permission for it. Even if you go to somebody’s house, you have to ask permission. “Should I telephone?” You cannot think of such a right that you don’t have to ask any permission, it’s your own. It’s your own property. So much [your] own, that you cannot have such a property in the world, in the human language. Even if you have your ‘freehold’ house, you have to ask for permission for changing the shape of one brick! No permission is needed. It’s your own right. It’s your birthright. But still whatever I may say, you won’t understand how much it is your own because there’s nothing that is that own. It’s not comparable. It is that innate. Something that is beyond human comprehension. Now, there’s no map (chakra chart) here? We have within us a being which I call ‘the Spirit’: the Spirit which is also the part and parcel of the totality that is love, totality that is God, totality that is joy, totality that is knowledge. And that Spirit within us is watching us. It is not watching like a guard or a police inspector. That also we human beings cannot understand. If I say the Spirit is watching, people get a fright, “Oh God!” The Spirit is the one that is love. Can you understand total love? Can you understand something that just gives and enjoys giving, and not asking for anything? Can you understand someone like that? Can you? Loving for love’s sake; that’s what is your Spirit. It is watching you with that love, that total love. That totality of love is watching you to give you that what it is. Now here, I would say, you are the Spirit and you are this self, another one, which is this awareness, this human awareness which you have got. This human awareness has to be enlightened by that totality, that Spirit. When it enlightens that, then only, you know that you are a part and parcel of the totality and that you are beautiful; you are really beautiful. Sometimes one feels a little bashful to know how beautiful one is, and so fragrant, and so grand and so dignified. That new dimension one has to achieve. For that, God has placed within you the power, which is the germinating power which has to rise and to give you this Realisation: this is your Kundalini. About this in the Bible there is [a] reference of “Tree of Life.” To be nourished by the “water of love.” This is all prophesised. That, “He will appear before us as tongues of flames.” Two thousand years back Christ thought it was sufficient [to say this]. I mean, people didn’t allow Him to speak much, you see. They just saw to it that He would not explain Himself. Very ‘intelligent’ people. They could not understand the simplicity of Christ. He was the fundamental, He was the foundation, He was the support of this Universe. And they crucified Him. Wonderful! He was the Spirit. He came on this Earth not to teach you what Moses taught you, because Moses had already taught you what was to be taught. They did not come to repeat the same thing, but to give you a higher idea. Why? Why Moses said that, “Don’t do this and don’t do that!”? Why did He say? It should have a purpose. People don’t understand even this much. Why you should not tell lies? Why? What’s wrong? Why should you not steal? Why should you not commit adultery? What’s wrong? What goes wrong in it? Supposing there were no human laws: there’s nothing wrong in it. Do as you please! Why these laws were created? For what purpose? Because by observing these laws you stay in the centre, you don’t go to extremes. You don’t get lost, you don’t get attacked by negativity, by people who are trying to exploit you and to torture you, who are against God, who are against your evolution. But then, after all, the ultimate is to get your Realisation, to become one with your Spirit. That’s what it was [for]. All this show for what? For example, in a wedding you arrange everything and everything is bought, and the hall is arranged and is all decorated and everything; people are wearing very nice dresses; and there the bride doesn’t appear. So what? [So] it’s not a wedding. What is most important is that both of them should get married in the church where everybody is sitting down, or wherever it is decorated, in a temple; instead of that, all the decoration, if that becomes important and not the wedding, then what’s the use? I mean that’s exactly we are doing about our religions, believe me. I live near one Catholic church and I have lived always near some temple or a church or a mosque, somehow, all my life. And I have seen them making preparations all the time. Today they are singing beautiful hymns there. They have been singing for the last two years. Nobody’s bothered about their Realisation. Their parents must have sung. For generations they are doing the same thing. Very busy, you know, organising everything. Very busy, extremely busy, they have no time to talk to anyone. They are all preparing. But for what are you preparing, my children? What are you seeking? When are you going to see the bridegroom and the bride? That’s what it is: that Christ came on this Earth to give the second phase, to show the second phase of evolution, is the resurrection, is the resurrection of your being. What about that baptism? You are to be baptised. He came for that, and how many of us are really seeking a real, actual baptism? Again I say you don’t have to do anything about this seeking, you have to just ask for it, and it is going to happen. It’s going to happen. It has happened to many, many people all over the world. In England also it has happened. Of course, ups and downs are there, but it happens. It should happen to all of you that this Kundalini should rise, should pass through all the centres and pierce through your fontanel bone area, and you must get your Realisation. All other nonsensical things that people tell you, all other things that people tell you: you may go there if you like, I have no objection. There are people in this country who are doing horrible things like spiritualism. It’s very bad. It’s the most dangerous thing. I mean, the people are honest, so they call it ‘spiritualism’. Some of them are dishonest, they call it something else. But people from my country can be very cunning and they call it “guru business”. Business? It is an enterprise, regular enterprise. If you want to be befooled, I have nothing to say, you go ahead. If you have so much money, go and pay for their Rolls-Royces. It’s all right. If you are interested in yourself, and if you are really interested in knowing your Spirit and manifesting its power of collective consciousness, your own power and not the power of the guru, then please stick on to Sahaj Yoga. It’s a very subtle happening. It works out. But also one has to know that, after Realisation, you have to have self-esteem. You have to respect yourself and you have to work it out, otherwise it just disappears. It’s a very heartening thing. First, when I came to London, I had four people, then six people for four years. Can you believe it? And I was struggling with them. Because in Sahaj Yoga, now you must have understood, you cannot just pay some money and become the member. There’s no membership. How can you have membership for this? Can you imagine? Even the fishes could not have a membership when they wanted to cross over. You cannot become members, you cannot be branded anything, you have to get Realisation by which you start transforming. It’s a thing that has to happen to you. It’s not a thing that you can purchase in the market. I mean, it’s an insult. How can you pay for it? I mean just think! People are paying to the tree so that the flower becomes the fruit. It’s that absurd. Can you believe it? It is really that absurd. But it satisfies some people’s ego I think; which is a stupid stuff, I must say. If the people were not that egoistical, they would not have, they would never have, crucified Christ. It’s their ego which crucified Him. Stupidity, that’s what it was. The One who came for your emancipation was crucified by human beings. That’s the stupidity of the ego. Or maybe some sort of a stupid or, you can say, silly, belief that by giving 1p (£0.01) to the flower, it will become the fruit. That means you are naïve. So either it is ego or spiritual naivety that people do all these things and accept them. You have to accept only the Truth and nothing else. If it doesn’t happen to you, all right, [but there’s] nothing wrong with Sahaja Yoga. We’ll work it out again. Maybe there’s something wrong: you are not well; maybe you are suffering; there’s a problem. All right, next time and next time, and next time it’s going to work out that way. You must have patience with yourself; I have all the patience. Only thing that is needed is patience: no money, no effort, but patience and self-esteem. I think people who have got Realisation and have stuck on to it, are the people who are really very intelligent. They could see it so clearly because logically they have reached that point and they see that this is it; and they come to it, they get it and maintain it. I think the simplest way to understand Sahaj Yoga is that it’s your growth which is important to you; not what others are doing, what other people are like. For example, I have seen, also, some people come to Sahaj Yog, get their Realisation and then say, “You see, there was one man, he was a sahaj yogi and he said such and such thing!” What does it matter? What does it matter to you? What matters to you is your own development. I mean, in the West, people have lots of ways [of escaping] because they are quite brainy people and their brain is always thinking, so they will try to find out the way to escape. But in Sahaj Yoga you do not escape: you stand and see for yourself the Truth, the Reality, in the present. Don’t escape it, don’t try to escape! That’s the only thing, that’s the only understanding you must have that, “I am not going to escape it!” and not to be afraid or frightened of anything. It is going to work out, and work out for all of you, but do not try to escape it. There are so many ways and methods! I have seen it myself now, for the last seven years I have been here, can you believe it? And I have seen how people escaped. For example, a person may escape by saying, “I had a very bad childhood, and this is what happened in my childhood.” But I am not concerned with it. You are all right. Then somebody might come and say…there was a lady who came to see me and she said, “Mother, I am a prostitute.” All right, doesn’t matter. Come along, let’s try! There can be someone who might say that, “I am not yet ready!” That’s one of the commonest. Very common. It’s me who has to decide, not you. I will know that. Once you are realised, you will also know. That doesn’t matter. As I said, to understand totality of love, total love, you have to know that these are all just specks. The ocean, the oceans of oceans, of love will wash off these specks in no time. But have faith in yourself, that’s all. Have faith in yourself. After all you are human beings. From amoebic stage you have come to this; there must be something special about you, something real about you. This is one type who tries to escape. Another is who tries to aggress. No use, you cannot aggress me: impossible! You cannot aggress me because I cannot take anything from you. If you shout at me: all right, so what? I’ll give you love still. I am that type. Something queer, isn’t it? But I am really like that. I do not take anything from you. Can you understand that? I do not take your aggression; I cannot take it. If you aggress me, I absorb it. I have a shock-absorber. But by that you are delaying your own improvement. By the other method of escaping also you are delaying. Avoid these two things. It is you who has to gain, not me. I do not have to gain anything. I am here to give. I give because I enjoy that. I cannot contain within myself. The time has come for you to enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter now. The time has come. As many as possible have to enter into the Kingdom of God. That is your birthright. I have just come here to tell you that and to enlighten you: in the sense [that] the lights which are not yet enlightened are to be enlightened by one light. And if I am the enlightened light, why should you feel bad about it? I wish you could come here and become that. I wish you could raise the Kundalini and do the job. I’ll be very happy. I wish you could work this way. Oh, I would love to be your disciple! I have no disciples: these are all my children. The eldest one is now only ninety-eight years old. So, one should not feel hurt, the pride should not be hurt. I am doing all this to make you feel happy, and that you should not be in any way aggressed; in any way you should [not] feel that I am trying to exploit you. Because that’s the main problem people have that I am trying to exploit. But what are you going to give me, I would like to know. Why should I exploit you? Yesterday somebody asked me this question that, “Maybe, if we become like a child, we might be exploited.” I said, “The child can never be exploited! You cannot become like a child.” If somebody is an innocent person, then the innocence is the most powerful thing. If Christ was crucified, people think [that it’s] because He was innocent He got crucified. Do you know, He has got powers. In Sanskrit His powers are called as ‘Ekadasha Rudra’ - eleven destructive powers. He’s the most powerful destructive personality. But He has powers also to control it. And He is going to come back. [It’s] not that He is not going to come back. But this time He is not going to get crucified. He is coming back with all these powers. Then He is not going to talk to you or convince you, nothing of the kind, but He is going to work out the other way round. I have to give you a counsel and tell you, and make you understand that the time has come for you to get this. The sooner you get, the better; the sooner you establish it, the better. I am sorry today we don’t have the chart to explain to you about Kundalini, but these people have got some papers which you can read and understand, and later on, when you get Realisation, work it out and see for yourself. Do not come here for one day. There are some people who did not get tickets for the drama and have come. Such people are of no use. You have to be people of some quality, of some level. Otherwise Sahaja Yoga does not work out. It just spins you out. You see here the question is how many stick on, [it’s] not a question of how many are coming. Very few people stick on because the quality is judged. Every moment the quality of people is judged. Every moment your quality is judged, not by me but by yourself. The quality is judged not by me, but by you. You yourself will know that you have this problem. As soon as there is light within, you start seeing the problem yourself and then you know that this is the problem. And you are not identified with it because you are separated from it and you start curing yourself. I do not judge you at all. So this is going to happen and when this happens, then know that you have to get transformed to that beautiful thing which is being promised by all the sages, all the scriptures and all the great incarnations on this Earth. By which you will know how every religion is integrated, every incarnation is integrated and how these people are all related to each other and all are one family, those who are incarnations; while we are unnecessarily fighting among themselves. And how they are in unison and complete concord among themselves, while we are just fighting that, “This is mine and this is mine.” For this first of all your integration must take place. And that is a condition. If it does not take place, again we’ll work it out. We cannot argue it out, we cannot do anything of that kind. It has to work out. One thing I would request. Yesterday we had a little problem with someone who came quite drunk. It is the awareness which is going to be enlightened. If you are drunk it’s going to be difficult. If anybody who is drunk in this group, please be careful. You better go at the back, if you are drunk. I don’t know if drunk people know that they are drunk or not. But the fellow was drunk, no doubt, and everybody told me that he’s drunk and it was horribly bad. So I would request you, such a person who is drunk should go at the back, and somebody else will work. They need little intensive understanding. So this is what it is. We are now going to start this program. There’s no technique, nothing. Just your fingers are like antennae and they have the ends which have got sympathetic nervous system expressed and manifested there. We have to just get them enlightened so that the invitation to Kundalini goes through your channels within yourself – which I cannot explain to you but you might have seen in the paper – and that the Kundalini rises and that you get your Realisation. The first thing that happens to you, when the Kundalini rises above this centre, this is the centre of Christ. And He has done all the thinking for us; we unnecessarily are thinking. He’s done everything for us, there’s no need for us to suffer or to think. That part He has crossed. Now it is better that we have to enter into the Kingdom of God, that’s all we have to do. So when the Kundalini rises above this, you will feel thoughtlessly aware. That means you will be aware, but there won’t be any thought. It’s called as nirvichar samadhi. Sama-dhi. ‘Samadhi’ means ‘enlightened awareness’, ‘nirvichar’ means ‘thoughtless’. And then it pierces through your fontanel bone area. You start feeling a cool breeze coming towards you, from me. But later on you find it’s going from you. This should happen. This is the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost as described in the Bible. Of course, if there are Hindus…I don’t know [if] they read these days, normally they don’t read any one of their ancient books. But if they have read anything about Adi Shankaracharya – he has written volumes on this cool breeze, which he calls as Saundarya Lahari, or Chaitanya Lahari, meaning ‘the waves of beauty’ and the ‘waves of Chaitanya’. What is it, Gavin, in English? Chaitanya - is the vital, Divine Force. ‘Chetana’ means ‘awareness’, and cheteeta is the person who is enlightened. And the one who emits these vibrations, cool vibrations; is the one who is a realised-soul. We have many children in this country who are born-realised. And I have met some human beings also who are born-realised, but they are rather difficult people, I don’t know why. Though they are born-realised, they get possessed by their ego sometimes and they are not that evolved as they should be and they start behaving in a very queer manner. And their behaviour can be sometimes so shocking that it’s most surprising. And they mesmerise people and they take to all these things to assert their influence on other people. It is a very surprising thing that those who did not get Realisation through Sahaj Yog, and were born-realised, have not been able to express themselves sometimes. And then they felt that they had a knowledge which was not complete about it. And they felt they were different, and they tried to assert on others their ways and methods by learning mesmerism and things like that. It’s most surprising. But we have someone here already who is a realised-soul, who is here, who was possessed; who came here, got cured and she is all right now. So even if you are Realised, you can be possessed. But in Sahaj Yoga, the advantage is, after Realisation, you know all the techniques of the Divine Force, which is flowing through you. That means when you have to have the energy, you have to put to the mains. But once you get the energy in you, you should know how to manoeuvre it. Then you know how to protect yourself, you know how to improve yourself, how to cure others, how to give Realisation to others, how to awaken others, and everything you know, all the secrets; and the most secret techniques of the Divine Force are told to you. Of course it is all learned gradually by you, and you cannot pay for it, because you cannot value it. It’s not human. It is Divine. Thank you very much. Can you put your hands towards me like this. And you have to close your eyes. It is just the opposite of mesmerism, in a way, because people who mesmerise, they just look into your eyes or some sort of a thing like that. It’s very common; nonsensical. Please, close your eyes. Just close your eyes. It’s going to work out in no time today. You don’t have to try anything, that’s one thing. You don’t have to try. Just leave your attention free, absolutely free. Do not try anything. If thoughts are coming, I’ll tell you what is to be done, but just don’t try anything. Normally most of you will feel the thoughtless awareness, that’s the easiest thing. But supposing if thoughts are coming, then you just say, “I forgive all the people.” “Mother, I forgive all the people,” that’s all. That, if you say, Christ is awakened within you. Can you imagine? Just say, “I forgive.” “Mother, I forgive.” Say it thrice. From your heart you must say. After all, there’s nothing in forgiving. By not forgiving you are just heavy laden with nonsensical things. Just say, “I forgive,” and you will be surprised how light you will feel. Do not pay attention to any particular point. Let it go. Let it go. Also not to feel guilty. Please, do not feel guilty; that’s an escape again. Not to feel guilty, as I have told you. What wrong can you do? So just say, “Mother, I am not guilty.” Please say that, that’s very important. Say it thrice. It will help you. Just watch! Try this. (Mother is presumably demonstrating how to hold the hand above the Sahasrara) Are you feeling the cool breeze? Not yet? Just keep them like this: a little higher, little higher. Now are you feeling it? Gavin, remove this photograph. [If] somebody can remove the photograph would be better. Just move it. I can’t see. My photograph. Just remove it. That’s better, yes. Let’s see on the heads of the people. Some people can feel the cool breeze coming out of their heads, but not in the hands, maybe. Just see. Cool or hot. No, just a little higher: there? Some people are feeling, some are not. Just again see for yourself. Gavin, let’s just see just how many people are. Now we have here some of the people who are Realised and let them see.
11/6/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=4636	All the seekers	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	56	Public Program, "All are Seekers". Vauxhall Centre, London (UK), 6 November 1980. You are seekers. And that's a category of human beings. Everybody do it from choice. That's one thing I have discovered. Some are Seekers who are argument seekers, generally speaking. Some are just sort of fashions which are there; they are because they see everybody seeking so they must have the fashion of seeking. And there are another category also who are not seeking God but are seeking something else and find God. They are special cases, somehow. In any case this seeking has given them sensation as only the manifestation of the seeeking has been changing. At the start with the amoeba we had a seeking of self. You were just seeking food. You were worried about food and nothing else. Here is the centre of seeking within us which is called as Nabhi Chakra which is the green centre in the picture. There is the Nabhi Chakra which is for our seeking. This centre is a subtle centre. All these centres that you see here are subtle centres. You cannot see that with naked eye unless und until you have your Kundalini union which is settled down in the triangular bone there. Now this Kundalini is very well settled in human beings that as amoeba your seeking was very limited. Like the seed sprouts you started developing new seed. When you became a human being you started seeking power. The first people who were human being it was important to protect themselves and they started beginning of this organisations or societies or groups and cults just to protect themselves. They knew that there was some other force which was, there but they did not know what it was. So they started looking out in the nature trying to find out. Some started worshipping this, some started worshipping that. But still they were not satisfied because their power, whatever they got, so-called power, they found, ultimately led them to unhappiness and disillusion. When the society was better organised they had big states and government and all roof new types of administrations which developed all over the world. But the administratio and all that also proved that by administering other people you cannot administer yourself. We cannot control ourself. We cannot control many things within ourselves. For example, if you are running fast with your, eh, breathing increases, but it slows down by itself. Your heart beat increases but comes down by itself. Who controls that? We cannot do that. There are so many things within us which we do not control and are called as autonomous, by nature. And as, organisations within us or we can call things instutions within us which are doing this were doing great. And these names are just names. They do not explain anything about them. They say that they should be called an autonomous nervous system but who is this auto? Who is this Mr. Auto? Who is doing the job? After all we should find out. Isn't it nice to brand someone as autonomous. Say for example you say automobile, then automobile doesn't move by itself; there is a driver sitting inside. Now who is this one? That should be found out and if science is to be true to itself and to its ethos then it should try to find out who is this auto who is managing our autonomous nervous system. But they reach at a point where they cannot find further so they just say, so far, so much, not further. That's how they explain, but they are honest people, I must say. Because they say that there are chemicals within us like gasinolene and asticholene and their behaviour within us is something one doesn't understand because they augment wherever they like. They direct wherever they like. You cannot say why they behave in this manner. You cannot explain. So they say the modus action of these chemicals cannot be explained, finished. What is beyond it they cannot see and to go beyond they have to know that their awareness is not adequate. Here I allow myself to expand much more, like for medicenes they had to devise things like say microscope to see what was under the skin. What we have senses. In the same way their awareness has to grow at a point where they can understand what is the essence, what is the base of our life, how we are made. And why we are going into all these modes which they cannot explain. One day to look at a tree is to see how gib it is. The West if you see is mostly outside grown very big. So the depths must be found, the source to sustain. This fictory has to come from somewhere. For me the tree is the same whether east, west, north, south. ou see for some people east is different, west is different. It's not so. It's one. God has created only one world. He didn't create east, west, north, south. He did not create. He just created one actual people because he didn't want to create a military or some plastic flowers. He wanted to create a living people. So the search within started east and they started meditating to find out what is the source to sustain this earth growth out. And when they started going deep into it they found within themselves that there is a force which is called as Kundalini right there in the triangular bone. And this Kundalini unless und until it is awakened, unless und until this germinating force within us is awakened we cannot have that new dimension of our awareness. Our awareness is only limited by our rationality. We cannot yet be, go beyond. By rationality you cannot understand it. You cannot understand God. You cannot understand anything by rationality because it is so limited. So if you have to go to the unlimited regions you have to be triggered out into that place and the triggering force is this Kundalini. This Kundalini is placed in the triangular bone in the sacrum. Sacrum. means sacred. People knew perhaps that it is a sacred bone so they called it sacred. It's long. You see, interesting, isn't it? This word has come to us from ... Greeks and Greeks knew that it was sacred bone. Otherwise why should they call it a sacred bone. So this triangular bone hides this power within it and when you come to Sahaja Yoga, a sign, that it pulsates. You can see the pulsation. You can make it out. You can see the rising of the pulsation with your naked eye. And you can see the breaking also of your fontanel bone - the baptism which is promised, the real baptism. Not in the church or not in any temple, but the real one is a happening within you, is a really happening that has to take place. It has to be done by living God It's not that somebody just comes und .... puts his hand on the head and says, "You are born again" or he says that, "All right you have become a Christian." It's a happening, just like that. Now a realised soul is called as a person who is twice born. Everybody is saying, "I am twice born." But what’s the proof that you are a twice born person. And then there must be some fundamental proof about it that you are twice born. It's nice to say I am twice born and self-certificate, you yourself just self-certificate that yes I'm twice born. But there must be some method to find out. And if you think that twice born is such a great thing why not have it. It's a very simple thing. One has to understand that if you are created on this earth from amoeba to this state there must be some fundamental reason for it. We are not just created just to be here and to live like human beings without understanding the depths of God's creation. How can that be? Why has He made us human beings? Is it just to have some money in the insurance company or to pay the house or have a property and then to die? Is that the reason we are here? No. We are here to know the working of God's love and his Divine power and to manoeuver it; to be an instrument of God and His part and parcel; to know that you are the part and parcel of His being. To be aware of that. Not just talking. That we are all brothers and sisters and we should not fight and there is .. only one personality within us. It's only talking. It's not bla, bla, bla, but it is a thing that happens within. You become that, you cannot get our of it and you know that you are That. It's the actualisation I am talking about. Now when this Kundalini rises through these varios centres it pierces through this fontanele bone area. And it has to pierce through that fantanele bone area. If it does not pierce then you are not yet realised. This is what is the thing called as self-realised or twice born. Like an egg you can say a human being is made. He is an egg because he is covered with his ego and superego on his head. Throug his left and right sympathetic nervous system. And now he is completely covered and closed. When he is ready the Kundalini rises and transforms him into a new bird. That's what it is. It's the second birth. That's why a Wija means a Brahmin. The one who is a realised soul is a Brahmin. The one who has known the Brahman, the Brahma is called a Brahmin, and he is the one who is twice born. He cannot be born. He has to be realised. He has to be twice born otherwise he is not a Brahmin. So even in India we have a ritual as you have here of baptisms, we have a ritual. But that is also a ritual,and a ritual makes no difference. Now the same thing is called, is a Wija. Meansthe one who is twice born. Now that twice born is also a bird. Abird is also called a Wija because it is born twice and a humanbeing is also called a Wija if he is a self realised person or a Brahmin, Brahmin in the real sense.So this has to happen to us within us. If it does not happen no use giving yourself certificate to yourself. Now, for example, if I say I am the Queen of England, will I become, will you become just by giving the certificate to yourself? I mean people may put you in the prison or in the lunatic asylum. So like that, are you doing anything; by your own imagination you do not. What we are to become is what you are talking about and that has to happen within us.Now this happening is a living happening as I told you because in this short time I cannot tell you all the details but there are Chakras and all these things you can see from the books and the things you have been.... Have you given them some papers and things? Not yet. You should have given these things ... All right, you can get all that and find out what all these Chakras are.But I just want to tell you about how it's a living thing. For example, now this flower is here. Now if you want this flower to become a fruit. What do you do? .. Nothing, you don't do anything. There's no technique. Supposing you are a flower and you have to become the fruit, what do you do? What techniques are there? ...It's a living process, it takes care of itself. At the most it hasto face the sun, that's all, to get the light. If it gets the light, all right, it becomes, automatically.It is to be connected with the tree and it must get the light. It will happen automatically, spontaneously. This is what is the meaning of Sahaja. Sahaja means born with you. The, the flower it is born the right to become a fruit, Sahaja. And Yoga means your connection with the Divine. So Sahaja Yoga means you are born with the right to be connected with the Divine. And that is your right which you must have and that you are going to get.Now the times are very precarious, I must tell you. These are the times of last judgment. It has started. The last judgment has started. Youwon't believe. That's why thousands of people are seekingand ... being born. There are many little realised children I see who are born realised who are born just for the Last Judgment.The maximum will be born during this time because they are to be judged. That's why population growth is so big. All of them born to be judged but they don	null	null	null	Public Program, "All are Seekers". Vauxhall Centre, London (UK), 6 November 1980. You are seekers. And that's a category of human beings. Everybody do it from choice. That's one thing I have discovered. Some are Seekers who are argument seekers, generally speaking. Some are just sort of fashions which are there; they are because they see everybody seeking so they must have the fashion of seeking. And there are another category also who are not seeking God but are seeking something else and find God. They are special cases, somehow. In any case this seeking has given them sensation as only the manifestation of the seeeking has been changing. At the start with the amoeba we had a seeking of self. You were just seeking food. You were worried about food and nothing else. Here is the centre of seeking within us which is called as Nabhi Chakra which is the green centre in the picture. There is the Nabhi Chakra which is for our seeking. This centre is a subtle centre. All these centres that you see here are subtle centres. You cannot see that with naked eye unless und until you have your Kundalini union which is settled down in the triangular bone there. Now this Kundalini is very well settled in human beings that as amoeba your seeking was very limited. Like the seed sprouts you started developing new seed. When you became a human being you started seeking power. The first people who were human being it was important to protect themselves and they started beginning of this organisations or societies or groups and cults just to protect themselves. They knew that there was some other force which was, there but they did not know what it was. So they started looking out in the nature trying to find out. Some started worshipping this, some started worshipping that. But still they were not satisfied because their power, whatever they got, so-called power, they found, ultimately led them to unhappiness and disillusion. When the society was better organised they had big states and government and all roof new types of administrations which developed all over the world. But the administratio and all that also proved that by administering other people you cannot administer yourself. We cannot control ourself. We cannot control many things within ourselves. For example, if you are running fast with your, eh, breathing increases, but it slows down by itself. Your heart beat increases but comes down by itself. Who controls that? We cannot do that. There are so many things within us which we do not control and are called as autonomous, by nature. And as, organisations within us or we can call things instutions within us which are doing this were doing great. And these names are just names. They do not explain anything about them. They say that they should be called an autonomous nervous system but who is this auto? Who is this Mr. Auto? Who is doing the job? After all we should find out. Isn't it nice to brand someone as autonomous. Say for example you say automobile, then automobile doesn't move by itself; there is a driver sitting inside. Now who is this one? That should be found out and if science is to be true to itself and to its ethos then it should try to find out who is this auto who is managing our autonomous nervous system. But they reach at a point where they cannot find further so they just say, so far, so much, not further. That's how they explain, but they are honest people, I must say. Because they say that there are chemicals within us like gasinolene and asticholene and their behaviour within us is something one doesn't understand because they augment wherever they like. They direct wherever they like. You cannot say why they behave in this manner. You cannot explain. So they say the modus action of these chemicals cannot be explained, finished. What is beyond it they cannot see and to go beyond they have to know that their awareness is not adequate. Here I allow myself to expand much more, like for medicenes they had to devise things like say microscope to see what was under the skin. What we have senses. In the same way their awareness has to grow at a point where they can understand what is the essence, what is the base of our life, how we are made. And why we are going into all these modes which they cannot explain. One day to look at a tree is to see how gib it is. The West if you see is mostly outside grown very big. So the depths must be found, the source to sustain. This fictory has to come from somewhere. For me the tree is the same whether east, west, north, south. ou see for some people east is different, west is different. It's not so. It's one. God has created only one world. He didn't create east, west, north, south. He did not create. He just created one actual people because he didn't want to create a military or some plastic flowers. He wanted to create a living people. So the search within started east and they started meditating to find out what is the source to sustain this earth growth out. And when they started going deep into it they found within themselves that there is a force which is called as Kundalini right there in the triangular bone. And this Kundalini unless und until it is awakened, unless und until this germinating force within us is awakened we cannot have that new dimension of our awareness. Our awareness is only limited by our rationality. We cannot yet be, go beyond. By rationality you cannot understand it. You cannot understand God. You cannot understand anything by rationality because it is so limited. So if you have to go to the unlimited regions you have to be triggered out into that place and the triggering force is this Kundalini. This Kundalini is placed in the triangular bone in the sacrum. Sacrum. means sacred. People knew perhaps that it is a sacred bone so they called it sacred. It's long. You see, interesting, isn't it? This word has come to us from ... Greeks and Greeks knew that it was sacred bone. Otherwise why should they call it a sacred bone. So this triangular bone hides this power within it and when you come to Sahaja Yoga, a sign, that it pulsates. You can see the pulsation. You can make it out. You can see the rising of the pulsation with your naked eye. And you can see the breaking also of your fontanel bone - the baptism which is promised, the real baptism. Not in the church or not in any temple, but the real one is a happening within you, is a really happening that has to take place. It has to be done by living God It's not that somebody just comes und .... puts his hand on the head and says, "You are born again" or he says that, "All right you have become a Christian." It's a happening, just like that. Now a realised soul is called as a person who is twice born. Everybody is saying, "I am twice born." But what’s the proof that you are a twice born person. And then there must be some fundamental proof about it that you are twice born. It's nice to say I am twice born and self-certificate, you yourself just self-certificate that yes I'm twice born. But there must be some method to find out. And if you think that twice born is such a great thing why not have it. It's a very simple thing. One has to understand that if you are created on this earth from amoeba to this state there must be some fundamental reason for it. We are not just created just to be here and to live like human beings without understanding the depths of God's creation. How can that be? Why has He made us human beings? Is it just to have some money in the insurance company or to pay the house or have a property and then to die? Is that the reason we are here? No. We are here to know the working of God's love and his Divine power and to manoeuver it; to be an instrument of God and His part and parcel; to know that you are the part and parcel of His being. To be aware of that. Not just talking. That we are all brothers and sisters and we should not fight and there is .. only one personality within us. It's only talking. It's not bla, bla, bla, but it is a thing that happens within. You become that, you cannot get our of it and you know that you are That. It's the actualisation I am talking about. Now when this Kundalini rises through these varios centres it pierces through this fontanele bone area. And it has to pierce through that fantanele bone area. If it does not pierce then you are not yet realised. This is what is the thing called as self-realised or twice born. Like an egg you can say a human being is made. He is an egg because he is covered with his ego and superego on his head. Throug his left and right sympathetic nervous system. And now he is completely covered and closed. When he is ready the Kundalini rises and transforms him into a new bird. That's what it is. It's the second birth. That's why a Wija means a Brahmin. The one who is a realised soul is a Brahmin. The one who has known the Brahman, the Brahma is called a Brahmin, and he is the one who is twice born. He cannot be born. He has to be realised. He has to be twice born otherwise he is not a Brahmin. So even in India we have a ritual as you have here of baptisms, we have a ritual. But that is also a ritual,and a ritual makes no difference. Now the same thing is called, is a Wija. Meansthe one who is twice born. Now that twice born is also a bird. Abird is also called a Wija because it is born twice and a humanbeing is also called a Wija if he is a self realised person or a Brahmin, Brahmin in the real sense.So this has to happen to us within us. If it does not happen no use giving yourself certificate to yourself. Now, for example, if I say I am the Queen of England, will I become, will you become just by giving the certificate to yourself? I mean people may put you in the prison or in the lunatic asylum. So like that, are you doing anything; by your own imagination you do not. What we are to become is what you are talking about and that has to happen within us.Now this happening is a living happening as I told you because in this short time I cannot tell you all the details but there are Chakras and all these things you can see from the books and the things you have been.... Have you given them some papers and things? Not yet. You should have given these things ... All right, you can get all that and find out what all these Chakras are.But I just want to tell you about how it's a living thing. For example, now this flower is here. Now if you want this flower to become a fruit. What do you do? .. Nothing, you don't do anything. There's no technique. Supposing you are a flower and you have to become the fruit, what do you do? What techniques are there? ...It's a living process, it takes care of itself. At the most it hasto face the sun, that's all, to get the light. If it gets the light, all right, it becomes, automatically.It is to be connected with the tree and it must get the light. It will happen automatically, spontaneously. This is what is the meaning of Sahaja. Sahaja means born with you. The, the flower it is born the right to become a fruit, Sahaja. And Yoga means your connection with the Divine. So Sahaja Yoga means you are born with the right to be connected with the Divine. And that is your right which you must have and that you are going to get.Now the times are very precarious, I must tell you. These are the times of last judgment. It has started. The last judgment has started. Youwon't believe. That's why thousands of people are seekingand ... being born. There are many little realised children I see who are born realised who are born just for the Last Judgment.The maximum will be born during this time because they are to be judged. That's why population growth is so big. All of them born to be judged but they don
11/9/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=100	The Mahalakshmi Power, Diwali Puja	England	Hampstead	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Diwali	English	58	“The Mahalakshmi Power,” Diwali Puja. Hampstead (London), 9 November 1980 ...English, in the sense that we sat down together and translated Sanskrit puja into English and tried to make it more understandable by you people. It’s the day of Mahalakshmi puja they say, not only of Lakshmi Puja. There’s a difference between the two. Mahalakshmi is one of the powers of the three powers, main powers, of Adi Shakti. As you know: Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali. Now these powers have powers at a material level also, at a subtler level also. So Mahalakshmi power is achieved after Lakshmi power, as they say. So, the Lakshmi...there are eight powers of Lakshmi. This Lakshmi was born, who came out of the sea, the great sea, which was churned thousands and thousands of years back. And She came out of the sea because She is the daughter of the sea. That’s why She's called as Neeraja. ‘Neera’ means ‘water’ and ‘ja’ means ‘born out of’. This has happened thousands and thousand [of] years back that She was born. So what is that? What is this Lakshmi symbolically, what is it expressing? It is expressing the awareness. Lakshmi expresses awareness, and She came out of the sea, you know that. The awareness first started growing in the sea. The life started existing in the sea, to begin with, and then it grew out. Without the life there is no awareness. First the life, because everything is jada (inanimate matter), everything is dead. And when it becomes life it means it has awareness. So the awareness started growing in the sea. This is the symbolic expression. In the gross level you can understand this way. But actually in the subtle level, it is the other way round. And because we see things from the gross level, we say that, that is symbolic. But actually from the other side if you say, “This is symbolic.” Do you understand this point? So for me it is symbolic to see how the life came into being in the sea and that it became aware. For me it is symbolic. And for you it is symbolic the other way round. I mean if I see something from this side, I see this way and while you see from that side you see this way. To understand this, if you want to paint something on a glass, how do you paint it on the glass? Have you any idea? You start painting first the outermost things that you have to paint. For example if you are painting the Goddess, first you will paint Her ornaments, then Her sari, then Her body. Like that it will be moving deeper from this side, if you are painting it on the glass, because you have to see it from the other side. But supposing you have to paint it on a canvas, you’ll paint it the other way round. You first paint the body, then the sari and then the ornaments. So to one thing it is symbolic because they think this goes from their angle. To the other person who is from the other angle this is absolutely symbolic. And it’s surprising that everything is so symbolic and so much just the same that, whatever you may say, the subtle remains subtle and the gross remains gross. The one who is at the subtle level sees the gross as a symbolic expression of the subtle. Now She was born in the sea. She was called as Niraja. She was born in the sea. Now Nira, that means ‘water’. My name is, one of them is, Nira as you know. Out of Nirmala one name is Nira, Nima and Nira, like that I have got three names, four names I should say. The big one is Nirmala. So this Nira part means what? That She was born in the sea. The name of Mary is also the same. Maryam or Mary, I don't know how you say in English. But Maryam this comes from ‘marine’. The word ‘marine’. ‘Marine’ itself comes from the word Mary. So this Mahalakshmi, Mary, is named and She is because She was born in the sea and that’s how Her name was Mary. Mariana they call Her, some people call Her Mariana, sometime call Her Miriam. All these words are indicating that She was born in the sea. So She is Mahalakshmi. Now Mary is Mahalakshmi and Ganesha is the child. Now see how symbolically it works, that only in Diwali the Lakshmi and the Ganesha are worshipped, only these two personalities. Can you understand that? The symbol of Mahalakshmi, for me, is Mary. For you it is Mahalakshmi is the symbol. And the symbol of Ganesha outside is Christ. He is symbolising Ganesha. So, both of them are worshipped only on a Diwali day. So actually this is the Christmas. This is the real Christmas that was before also, and this was the time baby Christ was born, not the 25th of December. Though it’s a misunderstanding, doesn’t matter, keep it up. Doesn't matter, whenever He’s born. Because there used to be a very big festival, and after the festival He was born. It’s called as Valanan. I don't know what you call in modern times. That time it was called like that. And then this child was born and that was the time Christmas was celebrated. It was just tallying with that, but somehow it shifted. I don't know how, how it shifted. And there might be somewhere you will find out that the real Christmas was shifted. Gavin Brown: Yes it was. That's known. Shri Mataji: All right. And symbolically in this lifetime also, in the Kali Yuga also, same thing happens that Mahalakshmi and Ganesha were born, and that’s why they are worshipped. Now you ask anyone, why Ganesha and Mahalakshmi are worshipped, after all, on a Diwali day? And it was the darkest night. It was the darkest night, and that night a star was there. And because it was such a dark night that star was very much noticed by everyone. It was a cold night, very cold night, and a dark night. So the symbol of Diwali is very great for Sahaj Yogis. First of all you have to know there are four days that are celebrated in Diwali. But there is one more day added to it in Maharashtra. The first day of Diwali is called as Dhanatrayodashi: is the thirteenth day of the moon. Because that day is the first day when Lakshmi, the first one, was born on the thirteenth day. That means She was born as a Gruhalakshmi, as a housewife. Now there are eight Lakshmis, which she will read it out. And I will tell you later on what is the meaning of them. One of them is Gruhalakshmi. So the first is the form of a Gruhalakshmi. She is born as a Gruhalakshmi to begin with. That means the awareness of human beings also, started really getting into evolutionary process when they started their family life. When they were vagabonds moving about, then the awareness was just like animals. Though they had become human beings, but they were like animals. Then when they established their families, then the Gruhalakshmi started working and that’s how the first advent of Gruhalakshmi was felt. So, She’s the first Lakshmi who was born, and that’s why on that thirteenth day is the day of the Gruhalakshmi, of the housewife. And so one has to go in the market and buy some utensils or something that she uses for cooking in the house. In India on the thirteenth day everyone goes and buys a pot or, we can say, what you call, a cooking utensil or something. Or they may buy a sari or something or gold or something for the Gruhalakshmi. That is the day of the household. So, to reach the Lakshmi one has to understand that motherhood is very important. The motherhood, as a Gruhalakshmi is important. Then the second day is even more important because Narakasura was killed. Horrible Narakasura, as you know him. But actually that day many rakshasas are killed in many... That's a day fixed for killing rakshasas! And then they are put in the hell. On the fourteenth day they are put in the hell. So that’s called as Naraka Chaturdashi. That is the day when the hell is opened out. That day Sahaja Yogis are supposed to sleep in the night while everybody does all kinds of tantrikavidya and all that on the fourteenth day. Then the fifteenth is that darkest night. That’s the darkest night when there is no moon. Absolutely that’s the day when they celebrate Deepawali, Diwali day. But symbolically, in India also, Shri Rama returned to his place (Ayodhya) on that day and was crowned on that day. So the significance of Diwali is expressed in this manner: that this is the day when Narakasura, and all of them are killed, they have all gone to Narak, they have gone to the hell, and the people now are saved from them and they are celebrating the joy. And that is the time when Christ was born. That’s why lights are to be put in the night, because He was born at twelve o’clock in the night. So, the next day to that, is the day [which] is celebrated in India only in Maharashtra. I don’t know [if] people celebrate otherwise. I don't know. Shri Mataji: Do you celebrate the next day? Yogini: The next day? Shri Mataji: That’s the first day of the moon. That is the forefathers of your Mother, Shalivahanas, they started a calendar, from that date. And so on the first [day], that means the first day of the moon, the new year is celebrated here. Now see symbolically, Christ is born and a new year is celebrated the next day. As soon as He is born the new year should start. So next year it starts, the new year. That is a new year in many parts of our country where Shalivahana ruled there. The Shalivahana was my forefather, I should say, they were just a dynasty. And this dynasty ruled in India since very long. Even in the old puranas it is written that they helped Krishna in their war. You know all the story about Shalivahana, quite a lot. And so the new year starts. So for us that is the new year. For Sahaj Yogis that is the new year and you have to accept it. And your Mother is of that dynasty. I mean no force on you but if you like you can have it. Then the second day is also very important: is the second day [of] the moon. That is [when] the moon came out of the sea. According to this mythology, the Lakshmi came out of the sea and with Her this moon came out, which was only a two day old moon, the new moon but a two day old moon. And this was regarded as the brother of Lakshmi, because they were born at the same time, from the sea. So He is the brother of Lakshmi. It’s all symbolic. It’s very, very symbolic. Now the Left Side belongs to Mahakali, and a brother had to be on this side, on the Left Side. But actually you will be amazed that He is the brother of Lakshmi. He is not a brother of Mahakali. But because He's the brother of Lakshmi he is accepted as a brother of all the goddesses: one brother for all of them. So He is the only brother, who is this moon. So He is your uncle, He is your maternal uncle. It’s very interesting. Because we have a special right on our maternal uncle, we can always ask for His help. And it’s a big story about this churning that took place that Shiva saw all the poison also coming out. So He drank the poison because He was the only one who could drink the poison. And He got so heated up in His head, in His neck that He wanted something to cool Him. So He took to this moon and put it on His head. So, the crowning [of Shiva] is the moon. Now if you see, on Monday is the day of Sahasrara. Monday is the day of the Moon. Monday is the day of Sahasrara because Sadashiva has put it on His head. And that’s what people tease Him that, “Your brother-in-law is sitting on your head!” (laughing) It’s very interesting. It’s very symbolic for you — not for me, but for you — that the brother-in-law is sitting on the head. This brother-in-law is very important, and if brother-in-law is in any way angry then even Sadashiva has to think twice. An all very special relationship, which is very sweet, and which is very expressive. And if you want to understand it, that your brother-in-law — is a naughty little thing — is the brother of the wife. If you have to keep your wife pleased, that is the power, you have to keep the brother-in-law quite happy. So He said it’s better to keep him on His head. If there’s a naughty child, what do you do to a naughty child? You put him up somewhere there so he doesn’t move. Always you take a child outside, you put him out there. And He is very dear to Sadashiva, who really loves Him in a special way. And that day is the day when all the sisters worship their brothers — it’s very important it is. [On] Raksha Bandhan day they give a symbolic expression to their desire that their brother should be good, but on this day they worship their brothers, they actually worship them. They are invited at home, they are made to sit on the special type of a seat, then also aarti is done to them. Sometimes if they are very small, younger brothers, then they are even given bath nicely. If they are older brothers also they'll cover all their body, but water will be poured on them as a symbol and they are given new dresses to wear. And very special food is cooked that day. And then they are served special food ahead of their husbands. Always husband is served first, but that day a brother gets the food first. And then the brother-in-law is teased a lot, and the younger brother-in-law teases his sister’s husband. And it’s a very nice function. It’s called as Bhau-Beej. And that day the brother gives some things to the sister as a present. He will give even if you don’t have anything, you can give anything, whatever it is. But you give something as a symbol of your love to your sister. And this day, today, is that day. It’s such a nice day to do puja. This is the day when we all adjust together. But for a Gruhalakshmi, the brother is very important. And the brotherhood and sisterhood is the base of our Sahaj Yoga collectivity. If you understand that brotherhood and sisterhood is love which is very pure. There is no expectation. It’s just love. It’s giving love and taking love. And absolute purity within us should exist between our relationships when we call them as Sahaj Yogi brothers and sisters. And as there is understanding, complete understanding, between the brother and sister in a family, one has to know we are all part and parcel of a family, born of the same Mother. Nobody has to shoot off or nobody has to become something great, nobody has to correct others, nobody has to say that, “I’m something unique!” All of you have to work it out together and find out a solution working out together in complete friendship and unison. Anyone who cuts off himself and goes out or becomes anything else, goes out of circulation and is useless for Sahaj Yoga. Such a person is completely useless! The one who tries to get out of the family. All of you have to be supporting each other, helping to each other, not shouting at each other or getting angry with each other; trusting each other, not finding faults; treating each other with respect and love. This is the most important thing the Sahaj Yogis don’t understand — that you are saints and you have to respect each other. For example, you cannot doubt each other, you cannot. That’s not allowed, it's prohibited. You are not to doubt each other. Here where, I would say that: if somebody slaps you on one cheek, turn the other. That will work out here. In this Sahaj Yoga one has to do it. Not to criticise anyone, not to put down anyone. You are all Saints, why don’t you recognise it? How can you insult a saint? You are men of God, do you realise that? How can you put down anyone and say, “They are not good,” and, “They are good”? If you start doing that, somebody else will take advantage of you and will really push you down and you will be in very great trouble. Never get into such funny ideas, that you are better than the others, that you can do better than the others. The one who starts doing the better is doing the greatest harm. There is no competition in Sahaj Yoga. Give up this idea of competition. You are brothers and sisters. You have to support each other, help each other. Anybody is going down, try to work out on them. If you find somebody is going down too much beat him with shoes. But anybody who thinks he is very great, he has this special quality or that quality: supposing somebody thinks he is very neat, he should hang himself by the nearest tree! That’s what I sometimes feel. Because on this point there are so many quarrels going on! But somebody who thinks he has a right to be untidy also should hang himself by the nearest tree! And should know that, “I’m making an inconvenience of myself to others.” You must respect! If there is no mutual respect, this brother and sister relationship is not there. It’s a very sweet relationship which you have not enjoyed unfortunately. But in India we have. Our brothers will give up their lives for us. And we will give our lives for our brothers. And our brothers have so much faith in us that if we tell them that, “You should not do this!” they know that this we are doing only just to help him out, not to show off our great importance or giving a big sermon, but it is just because we love him. The love is so established and if that love is not established, what are you showing off about? Today is, in a way, a very great year, in the brothers and sisters relationship. How do you express your brothers and sisters relationship? I do not like to hear complaints, but I see that it is full of ego. The reason is, people are behaving in such a manner that I cannot understand that you are saints! What has happened to you? How can you be individualistic? I’ll give you a simple example: we have got in our house some sort of plants, which could only grow inside the house, but when it was summertime, we put them outside and they were growing well. But when the winter came in suddenly one night they all became absolutely dead you can call it. So, the servant got upset he said, “What to do now?” I said, “You bring them inside!” Now he said, “They won't grow.” I said, “They will.” I said, “You get four [or] five of them, put them together in one thing.” And they started growing well. Because whatever is missing in one person, you support from the another person. And this support is so natural and spontaneous which flows. If you try to correct others then you are draining out your energy and the energy of another person. Just try to support that person. That’s how it works out. And that’s how it sustains, it's nourishing. I mean it’s an experiment you can try also, at home. If you put four five trees together when they are in delicate condition they grow better. Why, when we grow our saplings we put them together? Why don’t we put them separate? You see, when we have got a small seed and we have to make them into saplings, we never put them separately we put them together, in a small block. If you put them separately they will never come up. Then they are kept in that condition together, till they grow. When they are grown, then only they are taken from that collective group and put separately. Have you not seen this happening? And this is what is collectivity. At the delicate point when Sahaj Yoga is coming up, we have to be much more closer together. Later on when you are very powerful it’s all right because you will have greater rapport. But it’s such a vicious circle that at this time when you are weak you are also falling off. And this collectivity is all-embracing. Of course these are due to your ego, superego, whatever problems. But only together you are going to be. But I have seen, when you are mesmerised, you fall in love with each other, absolutely: when you are mesmerised. But when there is freedom, you cannot enjoy your collectivity. In freedom people find it very difficult: then somebody behaves like an ascetic, some behaves like a madcap, somebody behaves like a hot-tempered fellow, another behaves like a city consul. I don't know. When it is freedom you do not grow in a healthy way together. You must know there must be something within you which is keeping you out from collectivity. At this stage the best thing is to surrender and beat yourself with shoes. Any such ideas come into your head you just do that way. That’s the way it will work out. Today is the day you have to promise, today, here. Shri Mataji: Where is Cooly? I can't see him. Is he there? Yogini: He wasn’t allowed to come, Mother. Shri Mataji: Hmm? He’s not come Yogi: I think you said he wasn't allowed to come, Mother. Shri Mataji: He’s not come? Yogini: He wasn’t allowed to come, Mother. Shri Mataji: He was not allowed? Yogi: I think you told him that he wasn’t allowed. Shri Mataji: All right. I did say. I’m sorry. I did, I had to. Certain things had to be done. I am sorry. But you must know you are people who are chosen specially. What prophecies are made for you if you read that ‘Milton’ (by William Blake) you will know — the English people. What prophecies! “The Men of God will be there and they will have their own heroes and they will not follow these Romans and Greeks and their horrible heroes. They’ll have their innocent heroes, and all those things.” And here I find that there’s a kind of a passion for falling down. Keep together. Keep together. Love each other. Understand them. Love not of mesmerism, but of freedom. In freedom you must love each other. I never take away your freedom, that’s one thing, whether you fall or rise. First thing is for your freedom. That is the thing on which you are going to move. So today is the day where you all have to promise and pray that, this brotherhood and sisterhood will be established. Ask for it in this soil of England, this is the Jerusalem. Ask for that, that this will be established on the soil of Jerusalem. That’s the most important thing. And you will be surprised that once this is established, Lakshmi is established. Now Mahalakshmi has eight aspects. Now read about these eight aspects. How many there are, let us see! First follow! Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Adya Lakshmi Namoh Namah. Shri Mataji: Adya Lakshmi. Adya Lakshmi means Mahalakshmi. Adya Lakshmi. Adi, Adya. Adya Lakshmi: that’s the first one. You say now, you repeat it! Yogis: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri Adya Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Now, second one. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Vidya Lakshmi Namoh Namah. Shri Mataji: Vidya - vidya is the art of Sahaj Yoga, which you know. That is vidya. The rest is all avidya. How to raise the Kundalini; how to awaken all the deities; how to cleanse yourself; how to cleanse others. All the knowledge; all the science about that is called as vidya: the Lakshmi of that. Lakshmi is the grace, is the grace. The awareness that is gracious. The awareness that is gracious. So that Lakshmi should be with you, not only to know the vidya, you know that, but to have grace about it. The way people do things, for example: some people will just go on. All that kind of a nonsense you do. Sometimes the way we go on working [on themselves], and I’m giving a lecture and people are just working out. All that is most disgraceful and disgracious (ungracious). So not to do these method of making the thing look so disgracious. I mean you need not be serious people at all, because Sahaj Yoga is not a serious thing. It is a play. It is a play of grace. You have to be gracious; you are not to be disgraceful, that’s very important. If you are disgraceful then your vidya is useless. I have seen many people all the time doing like this, doing like that; they think that it’s their left hand job, you see, and they have become now masters of this job. There’s no grace about it. One has to see how to do it graciously. Do you see your Mother, how She moves Her hands and feet. Not one day, one time, even in one action you will find me doing something ungraceful like that except when I copy you! (laughter) So this is what it is, is the Vidya Lakshmi. Lakshmi is the grace to do everything. Come, second one, third. Yogini: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri- Shri Mataji: ...and now you could say it. “Om twameva…” Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Vidya Lakshmi sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: For Left Swadishthana you know this is the Mantra. Third One. Yogini: Om twameva sakshat Shri Saubhagnya Lakshmi namoh namaha. Shri Mataji: Sau-bha-gya, Saubhagnya means ‘good fortune’. The Lakshmi that gives you good fortune in every way. Like She gives you good fortune in money, in your living, in your food, in every way. Any good fortune is given through God. It’s only God who gives good fortune. If you get money say in the racecourse, that’s bad fortune because that will be lost next day or you will go to the pub to be free. But if you get the real one, then you create something out of it which is blissful and great: is Saubhagnya Lakshmi. Now, say it. Saubhagnya Lakshmi. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Saubaghya Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Amruta. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Amrut Lakshmi Namah. Shri Mataji: Amruta. Amruta means the thing that does not die. In this world the Lakshmi exists as your wealth. Now the wealth that does not die, which is that wealth? Is the Spirit. So the grace of the Spirit is the Amruta Lakshmi. Grace of the Spirit is the Amruta Lakshmi. The rest of the things all will die out. And whatever is done through the Spirit, to please the Spirit, is the Amruta Lakshmi, for example: loving others. Loving others has a different meaning in the symbolic way as you people understand it. Loving means giving; doing without any expectation. Just doing and enjoying it. The greatest is giving vibrations. That is Amruta. Vibrations do not die. That’s the Lakshmi of the Amruta. Yogis: Om Twameva sakshat, Shri Amruta Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kaam Lakshmi... Shri Mataji: No, Gruhalakshmi! You know that, Gruhalakshmi. Yogis: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri Gruhalakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha". Shri Mataji: Ha. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Satya Lakshmi Namah. Shri Mataji: Sa-tya: [as] I told awareness. She is the one who has given you awareness. Awareness is Lakshmi’s character. Satya means the truth. As you rise in your awareness, you know the truth. Now what is the truth? What is the truth? What are we aware of? You are aware that you are the instrument of God and that He is working through you. You are aware of that because it’s flowing on your central nervous system. This is the truth of which you have to be aware. What is the other truth? Is who are you? That you are the Spirit. And the third truth is, who am I? And the fourth truth is who is God? What is your destiny? If they become your awareness, then you have got Satya Lakshmi. Say now. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat, Shri Satya Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Bhogya Lakshmi Namah. Shri Mataji: Mm? Yogini: Bhogya Lakshmi. Shri Mataji: Bhogya Lakshmi. Bho-gya: ‘Bhoga’ means the one by which you enjoy, by which you enjoy. I mean it’s like the whole ocean of joy is around you and you are like a bird who cannot drink it. Only through the grace of Bhogya Lakshmi, you can enjoy that. So, the Spirit, though it is manifesting, you are not enjoying your Spirit - even that. Anything that you see — say you see a flower — you should be able to enjoy. You cannot enjoy because there is thought. Anything you do [if] there is thought, you cannot enjoy. When the Spirit is flowing you get complete enjoyment. Actually I should say, I am the enjoyer of it. Yogis: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri Bhogya Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Yoga Lakshmi Namah. Shri Mataji: Yoga Lakshmi. The Lakshmi’s power which gives you Yoga. Lakshmi supports your power of yoga by giving you awareness. The power by which you take to yoga is all combined as Yoga Lakshmi. Like your affluence: you are not satisfied and you want to have Yoga. The dissatisfaction you get till you have got yoga is coming from the Yoga Lakshmi. So Yoga Lakshmi is the power which gives you or takes you to your grace, by which you go to yoga: that’s Yoga Lakshmi. Means the kind of a satisfaction that you seek is manifested in you through this power of Yoga Lakshmi. And then once you have achieved your yoga, you get the grace. Lakshmi is the grace. So you get the grace of a saint. You should have the grace of a saint. You should look like a saint. You are a saint. I think better write it on your mirrors, “We are saints. We are men of God. We have to behave like saints. We are saints.” You are, no doubt. You are men of God, no doubt, but you have to turn your faces this way. So, this is the Yoga Lakshmi. For example a person who has got Yoga Lakshmi doesn’t quarrel like a madcap. If he quarrels or dominates someone in a foolish way then he’s still lacking that Lakshmi point. There’s a grace about it, the whole way of talking. How you talk to a saint? All right. Yogis: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri Yoga Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: So these are the eight-fold paths by which one has to grace oneself. This is the attire of Sahaj Yogis. And today you have asked for it. May God give you that power. One more thing I have to say just before we start doing the thing [is] that around the Lakshmi you know is the Void. And though the Lakshmi in a situation where there is negativity, She runs away, She is frightened. She is a frightened Deity. She is very sensitive. She doesn’t like any negativity. As soon as the negativity comes in She runs away. In the same way those people, those great saints who were born on the Void, have said that, “Those people who try to frighten Lakshmi are the people who are irreligious,” in the sense they drink. Those people who drink, in the third generation lose their Lakshmi completely. You can see the results now: those who used to take one peg (30 ml of alcohol), now are sitting in the pub the whole night. And that’s what it is that, once these things enter into your family or household, they start corroding your Lakshmi. That’s why we have to understand that Lakshmi is very, very sensitive to this point. And Lakshmi is extremely sensitive to fanaticism, extremely sensitive to fanaticism. Any kind of fanatic ideas you have got, She will run away. She can’t stand fanaticism. As soon as fanaticism will settle down into any country, it will start becoming poorer and poorer. Any kind of fanaticism about religion is to be avoided. Now so many young people who are aware of fanaticism because, thank God, there are some horrible fanatics which have proved that fanaticism is bad, and they are now coming round it. But when fanaticism works out, the expulsion of all the powers of Lakshmi from within, that’s the sure and certain sign that you really invite cancer, really invite cancer. Also alcohol does, but this is the triggering point. If an alcoholic is also a fanatic, it will trigger much faster. Fanaticism is to be to be avoided like leprosy for Sahaja Yogis. But not only that, we have to stand up in a revolt against all kinds of fanaticism. Just this is the revolution against all fanaticism of life. That’s very important for the establishment of Shri Lakshmi. Any religion, any fanaticism that collides with another religion or in any way belittles it — because all religions are just the same of one God — belittles another religion or insults anyone is absolutely against Lakshmi’s Principle. So we go, after all this, when we rise above this, we go to Mahalakshmi principle. Now the awareness that was seeking up to Lakshmi — means you achieve money, achieve position for achieving grace, once you have achieved the grace of this, you want to achieve God. And this new awakening within you that you have to achieve God now is the power of Mahalakshmi. By the power of Mahalakshmi only, you achieve your saintliness, your Realisation. That’s why She came on this earth as the Mother of Jesus Christ. That was Mahalakshmi, not Lakshmi but Mahalakshmi. May God bless you. (Puja commences with discussion and mantras) Gavin: Gurushaya Namaha. Istadevata Namaha, all those: that we do first. Shri Mataji: All right. All the names of the Gods or all the Deities. Gavin: Om Shri Mahaganapati Namah Shri Saraswati Mataya Namah Gurubhyo Namah Vedapurushaya Namah Ishtadevatabhyo Namah Kuladevatabhyo Namah Sthandevatabhyo Namah Shri Mataji: Sthanadevata! Gavin: Gramdevatabhyo Namah Vastudevatabhyo Namah Shachipurandarabhyam Namoh Kalkam Parashuramebhyo Namah Matrupitrubhyam Namoh Adityadinavagrahadevatabhyo Namah Sarvebhyo Devebhyo Namah Sarvebhyo Bhahmanebhyo Namah Yetad Karma Pradhanadevatabhyo Namah Shri Mataji: Mmm, very good! All the Deities within you, see all the Deities within you. You see, all the deities within you have been already…(Mother is interrupted) Shri Mataji: Why is she taking? Don’t do like that! Yogi: It’s time to go and feed her soon. Shri Mataji: Ha? Cover her head. Don't do like that. No no no no no Cover their heads, Jane what are you doing? Yogini: She was crying Mother. I'm not sure, you know, whether she wants feeding or changing. Shri Mataji: No no no. Foment her stomach here.. Take her out. She'll be all right. Don't take her outside. Ha. Give her here. Shri Mataji: Ha. Let's help her. Somebody can bring just a cheap little cloth or something and a ?? Gavin: Then we make the dedication of saying where is the puja is being held. So: on the ninth of November in the winter season on the fifteenth night of the moon, when the sun in Tropic of Capricorn, we do this puja... Shri Mataji: Today is the second day of the moon. Actually is the other week has started now. That date was fifteenth. But today is the second day, second day of the moon on the 'Shukla Paksha' [waxing moon] . On the 'Shukla Paksha' means when the moon is going to become bigger. All of this is very important, is historical, you see, that’s why it would be nice to say that. Come along! Gavin: We do this puja in Hampstead, in London, in England, in Europe, in this world, on behalf of all Sahaj Yogis. Shri Mataji: Ask you now... Has she got the flu. Hand to Swadishthan. Gavin: The third section is called 'sankalpa'. That means, ‘holy determination’, according to all religious scriptures. Shri Mataji: Just sprinkle all over. Sprinkle all over. You come here. Just sprinkle it all over. Sprinkle it all over, just like that. Gavin: According to all religious scriptures, all of us with all our families pray for well-being, for spiritual well-being, for victory, fearlessness, longevity, health, wealth, for the nullification of all badhas of the Sahaja Yogis, to become the master of eight siddhis, to give peace to all who walk on two legs and on four. We pray for health, satisfaction and for all auspiciousness for all those who are handicapped, for the emancipation of all people, to give them the highest knowledge and whatever is my power, whatever is my knowledge, whatever offering I could get through meditation, or by whatever means of sixteen types, I surrender in the puja. Shri Mataji: Did you follow that? This is the sankalpa. This is the determination; it’s the holy determination you are making. Did you follow that or you want him to read it again? Gavin read it loudly, you get up and say it. You go on reading.	null	null	null	“The Mahalakshmi Power,” Diwali Puja. Hampstead (London), 9 November 1980 ...English, in the sense that we sat down together and translated Sanskrit puja into English and tried to make it more understandable by you people. It’s the day of Mahalakshmi puja they say, not only of Lakshmi Puja. There’s a difference between the two. Mahalakshmi is one of the powers of the three powers, main powers, of Adi Shakti. As you know: Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali. Now these powers have powers at a material level also, at a subtler level also. So Mahalakshmi power is achieved after Lakshmi power, as they say. So, the Lakshmi...there are eight powers of Lakshmi. This Lakshmi was born, who came out of the sea, the great sea, which was churned thousands and thousands of years back. And She came out of the sea because She is the daughter of the sea. That’s why She's called as Neeraja. ‘Neera’ means ‘water’ and ‘ja’ means ‘born out of’. This has happened thousands and thousand [of] years back that She was born. So what is that? What is this Lakshmi symbolically, what is it expressing? It is expressing the awareness. Lakshmi expresses awareness, and She came out of the sea, you know that. The awareness first started growing in the sea. The life started existing in the sea, to begin with, and then it grew out. Without the life there is no awareness. First the life, because everything is jada (inanimate matter), everything is dead. And when it becomes life it means it has awareness. So the awareness started growing in the sea. This is the symbolic expression. In the gross level you can understand this way. But actually in the subtle level, it is the other way round. And because we see things from the gross level, we say that, that is symbolic. But actually from the other side if you say, “This is symbolic.” Do you understand this point? So for me it is symbolic to see how the life came into being in the sea and that it became aware. For me it is symbolic. And for you it is symbolic the other way round. I mean if I see something from this side, I see this way and while you see from that side you see this way. To understand this, if you want to paint something on a glass, how do you paint it on the glass? Have you any idea? You start painting first the outermost things that you have to paint. For example if you are painting the Goddess, first you will paint Her ornaments, then Her sari, then Her body. Like that it will be moving deeper from this side, if you are painting it on the glass, because you have to see it from the other side. But supposing you have to paint it on a canvas, you’ll paint it the other way round. You first paint the body, then the sari and then the ornaments. So to one thing it is symbolic because they think this goes from their angle. To the other person who is from the other angle this is absolutely symbolic. And it’s surprising that everything is so symbolic and so much just the same that, whatever you may say, the subtle remains subtle and the gross remains gross. The one who is at the subtle level sees the gross as a symbolic expression of the subtle. Now She was born in the sea. She was called as Niraja. She was born in the sea. Now Nira, that means ‘water’. My name is, one of them is, Nira as you know. Out of Nirmala one name is Nira, Nima and Nira, like that I have got three names, four names I should say. The big one is Nirmala. So this Nira part means what? That She was born in the sea. The name of Mary is also the same. Maryam or Mary, I don't know how you say in English. But Maryam this comes from ‘marine’. The word ‘marine’. ‘Marine’ itself comes from the word Mary. So this Mahalakshmi, Mary, is named and She is because She was born in the sea and that’s how Her name was Mary. Mariana they call Her, some people call Her Mariana, sometime call Her Miriam. All these words are indicating that She was born in the sea. So She is Mahalakshmi. Now Mary is Mahalakshmi and Ganesha is the child. Now see how symbolically it works, that only in Diwali the Lakshmi and the Ganesha are worshipped, only these two personalities. Can you understand that? The symbol of Mahalakshmi, for me, is Mary. For you it is Mahalakshmi is the symbol. And the symbol of Ganesha outside is Christ. He is symbolising Ganesha. So, both of them are worshipped only on a Diwali day. So actually this is the Christmas. This is the real Christmas that was before also, and this was the time baby Christ was born, not the 25th of December. Though it’s a misunderstanding, doesn’t matter, keep it up. Doesn't matter, whenever He’s born. Because there used to be a very big festival, and after the festival He was born. It’s called as Valanan. I don't know what you call in modern times. That time it was called like that. And then this child was born and that was the time Christmas was celebrated. It was just tallying with that, but somehow it shifted. I don't know how, how it shifted. And there might be somewhere you will find out that the real Christmas was shifted. Gavin Brown: Yes it was. That's known. Shri Mataji: All right. And symbolically in this lifetime also, in the Kali Yuga also, same thing happens that Mahalakshmi and Ganesha were born, and that’s why they are worshipped. Now you ask anyone, why Ganesha and Mahalakshmi are worshipped, after all, on a Diwali day? And it was the darkest night. It was the darkest night, and that night a star was there. And because it was such a dark night that star was very much noticed by everyone. It was a cold night, very cold night, and a dark night. So the symbol of Diwali is very great for Sahaj Yogis. First of all you have to know there are four days that are celebrated in Diwali. But there is one more day added to it in Maharashtra. The first day of Diwali is called as Dhanatrayodashi: is the thirteenth day of the moon. Because that day is the first day when Lakshmi, the first one, was born on the thirteenth day. That means She was born as a Gruhalakshmi, as a housewife. Now there are eight Lakshmis, which she will read it out. And I will tell you later on what is the meaning of them. One of them is Gruhalakshmi. So the first is the form of a Gruhalakshmi. She is born as a Gruhalakshmi to begin with. That means the awareness of human beings also, started really getting into evolutionary process when they started their family life. When they were vagabonds moving about, then the awareness was just like animals. Though they had become human beings, but they were like animals. Then when they established their families, then the Gruhalakshmi started working and that’s how the first advent of Gruhalakshmi was felt. So, She’s the first Lakshmi who was born, and that’s why on that thirteenth day is the day of the Gruhalakshmi, of the housewife. And so one has to go in the market and buy some utensils or something that she uses for cooking in the house. In India on the thirteenth day everyone goes and buys a pot or, we can say, what you call, a cooking utensil or something. Or they may buy a sari or something or gold or something for the Gruhalakshmi. That is the day of the household. So, to reach the Lakshmi one has to understand that motherhood is very important. The motherhood, as a Gruhalakshmi is important. Then the second day is even more important because Narakasura was killed. Horrible Narakasura, as you know him. But actually that day many rakshasas are killed in many... That's a day fixed for killing rakshasas! And then they are put in the hell. On the fourteenth day they are put in the hell. So that’s called as Naraka Chaturdashi. That is the day when the hell is opened out. That day Sahaja Yogis are supposed to sleep in the night while everybody does all kinds of tantrikavidya and all that on the fourteenth day. Then the fifteenth is that darkest night. That’s the darkest night when there is no moon. Absolutely that’s the day when they celebrate Deepawali, Diwali day. But symbolically, in India also, Shri Rama returned to his place (Ayodhya) on that day and was crowned on that day. So the significance of Diwali is expressed in this manner: that this is the day when Narakasura, and all of them are killed, they have all gone to Narak, they have gone to the hell, and the people now are saved from them and they are celebrating the joy. And that is the time when Christ was born. That’s why lights are to be put in the night, because He was born at twelve o’clock in the night. So, the next day to that, is the day [which] is celebrated in India only in Maharashtra. I don’t know [if] people celebrate otherwise. I don't know. Shri Mataji: Do you celebrate the next day? Yogini: The next day? Shri Mataji: That’s the first day of the moon. That is the forefathers of your Mother, Shalivahanas, they started a calendar, from that date. And so on the first [day], that means the first day of the moon, the new year is celebrated here. Now see symbolically, Christ is born and a new year is celebrated the next day. As soon as He is born the new year should start. So next year it starts, the new year. That is a new year in many parts of our country where Shalivahana ruled there. The Shalivahana was my forefather, I should say, they were just a dynasty. And this dynasty ruled in India since very long. Even in the old puranas it is written that they helped Krishna in their war. You know all the story about Shalivahana, quite a lot. And so the new year starts. So for us that is the new year. For Sahaj Yogis that is the new year and you have to accept it. And your Mother is of that dynasty. I mean no force on you but if you like you can have it. Then the second day is also very important: is the second day [of] the moon. That is [when] the moon came out of the sea. According to this mythology, the Lakshmi came out of the sea and with Her this moon came out, which was only a two day old moon, the new moon but a two day old moon. And this was regarded as the brother of Lakshmi, because they were born at the same time, from the sea. So He is the brother of Lakshmi. It’s all symbolic. It’s very, very symbolic. Now the Left Side belongs to Mahakali, and a brother had to be on this side, on the Left Side. But actually you will be amazed that He is the brother of Lakshmi. He is not a brother of Mahakali. But because He's the brother of Lakshmi he is accepted as a brother of all the goddesses: one brother for all of them. So He is the only brother, who is this moon. So He is your uncle, He is your maternal uncle. It’s very interesting. Because we have a special right on our maternal uncle, we can always ask for His help. And it’s a big story about this churning that took place that Shiva saw all the poison also coming out. So He drank the poison because He was the only one who could drink the poison. And He got so heated up in His head, in His neck that He wanted something to cool Him. So He took to this moon and put it on His head. So, the crowning [of Shiva] is the moon. Now if you see, on Monday is the day of Sahasrara. Monday is the day of the Moon. Monday is the day of Sahasrara because Sadashiva has put it on His head. And that’s what people tease Him that, “Your brother-in-law is sitting on your head!” (laughing) It’s very interesting. It’s very symbolic for you — not for me, but for you — that the brother-in-law is sitting on the head. This brother-in-law is very important, and if brother-in-law is in any way angry then even Sadashiva has to think twice. An all very special relationship, which is very sweet, and which is very expressive. And if you want to understand it, that your brother-in-law — is a naughty little thing — is the brother of the wife. If you have to keep your wife pleased, that is the power, you have to keep the brother-in-law quite happy. So He said it’s better to keep him on His head. If there’s a naughty child, what do you do to a naughty child? You put him up somewhere there so he doesn’t move. Always you take a child outside, you put him out there. And He is very dear to Sadashiva, who really loves Him in a special way. And that day is the day when all the sisters worship their brothers — it’s very important it is. [On] Raksha Bandhan day they give a symbolic expression to their desire that their brother should be good, but on this day they worship their brothers, they actually worship them. They are invited at home, they are made to sit on the special type of a seat, then also aarti is done to them. Sometimes if they are very small, younger brothers, then they are even given bath nicely. If they are older brothers also they'll cover all their body, but water will be poured on them as a symbol and they are given new dresses to wear. And very special food is cooked that day. And then they are served special food ahead of their husbands. Always husband is served first, but that day a brother gets the food first. And then the brother-in-law is teased a lot, and the younger brother-in-law teases his sister’s husband. And it’s a very nice function. It’s called as Bhau-Beej. And that day the brother gives some things to the sister as a present. He will give even if you don’t have anything, you can give anything, whatever it is. But you give something as a symbol of your love to your sister. And this day, today, is that day. It’s such a nice day to do puja. This is the day when we all adjust together. But for a Gruhalakshmi, the brother is very important. And the brotherhood and sisterhood is the base of our Sahaj Yoga collectivity. If you understand that brotherhood and sisterhood is love which is very pure. There is no expectation. It’s just love. It’s giving love and taking love. And absolute purity within us should exist between our relationships when we call them as Sahaj Yogi brothers and sisters. And as there is understanding, complete understanding, between the brother and sister in a family, one has to know we are all part and parcel of a family, born of the same Mother. Nobody has to shoot off or nobody has to become something great, nobody has to correct others, nobody has to say that, “I’m something unique!” All of you have to work it out together and find out a solution working out together in complete friendship and unison. Anyone who cuts off himself and goes out or becomes anything else, goes out of circulation and is useless for Sahaj Yoga. Such a person is completely useless! The one who tries to get out of the family. All of you have to be supporting each other, helping to each other, not shouting at each other or getting angry with each other; trusting each other, not finding faults; treating each other with respect and love. This is the most important thing the Sahaj Yogis don’t understand — that you are saints and you have to respect each other. For example, you cannot doubt each other, you cannot. That’s not allowed, it's prohibited. You are not to doubt each other. Here where, I would say that: if somebody slaps you on one cheek, turn the other. That will work out here. In this Sahaj Yoga one has to do it. Not to criticise anyone, not to put down anyone. You are all Saints, why don’t you recognise it? How can you insult a saint? You are men of God, do you realise that? How can you put down anyone and say, “They are not good,” and, “They are good”? If you start doing that, somebody else will take advantage of you and will really push you down and you will be in very great trouble. Never get into such funny ideas, that you are better than the others, that you can do better than the others. The one who starts doing the better is doing the greatest harm. There is no competition in Sahaj Yoga. Give up this idea of competition. You are brothers and sisters. You have to support each other, help each other. Anybody is going down, try to work out on them. If you find somebody is going down too much beat him with shoes. But anybody who thinks he is very great, he has this special quality or that quality: supposing somebody thinks he is very neat, he should hang himself by the nearest tree! That’s what I sometimes feel. Because on this point there are so many quarrels going on! But somebody who thinks he has a right to be untidy also should hang himself by the nearest tree! And should know that, “I’m making an inconvenience of myself to others.” You must respect! If there is no mutual respect, this brother and sister relationship is not there. It’s a very sweet relationship which you have not enjoyed unfortunately. But in India we have. Our brothers will give up their lives for us. And we will give our lives for our brothers. And our brothers have so much faith in us that if we tell them that, “You should not do this!” they know that this we are doing only just to help him out, not to show off our great importance or giving a big sermon, but it is just because we love him. The love is so established and if that love is not established, what are you showing off about? Today is, in a way, a very great year, in the brothers and sisters relationship. How do you express your brothers and sisters relationship? I do not like to hear complaints, but I see that it is full of ego. The reason is, people are behaving in such a manner that I cannot understand that you are saints! What has happened to you? How can you be individualistic? I’ll give you a simple example: we have got in our house some sort of plants, which could only grow inside the house, but when it was summertime, we put them outside and they were growing well. But when the winter came in suddenly one night they all became absolutely dead you can call it. So, the servant got upset he said, “What to do now?” I said, “You bring them inside!” Now he said, “They won't grow.” I said, “They will.” I said, “You get four [or] five of them, put them together in one thing.” And they started growing well. Because whatever is missing in one person, you support from the another person. And this support is so natural and spontaneous which flows. If you try to correct others then you are draining out your energy and the energy of another person. Just try to support that person. That’s how it works out. And that’s how it sustains, it's nourishing. I mean it’s an experiment you can try also, at home. If you put four five trees together when they are in delicate condition they grow better. Why, when we grow our saplings we put them together? Why don’t we put them separate? You see, when we have got a small seed and we have to make them into saplings, we never put them separately we put them together, in a small block. If you put them separately they will never come up. Then they are kept in that condition together, till they grow. When they are grown, then only they are taken from that collective group and put separately. Have you not seen this happening? And this is what is collectivity. At the delicate point when Sahaj Yoga is coming up, we have to be much more closer together. Later on when you are very powerful it’s all right because you will have greater rapport. But it’s such a vicious circle that at this time when you are weak you are also falling off. And this collectivity is all-embracing. Of course these are due to your ego, superego, whatever problems. But only together you are going to be. But I have seen, when you are mesmerised, you fall in love with each other, absolutely: when you are mesmerised. But when there is freedom, you cannot enjoy your collectivity. In freedom people find it very difficult: then somebody behaves like an ascetic, some behaves like a madcap, somebody behaves like a hot-tempered fellow, another behaves like a city consul. I don't know. When it is freedom you do not grow in a healthy way together. You must know there must be something within you which is keeping you out from collectivity. At this stage the best thing is to surrender and beat yourself with shoes. Any such ideas come into your head you just do that way. That’s the way it will work out. Today is the day you have to promise, today, here. Shri Mataji: Where is Cooly? I can't see him. Is he there? Yogini: He wasn’t allowed to come, Mother. Shri Mataji: Hmm? He’s not come Yogi: I think you said he wasn't allowed to come, Mother. Shri Mataji: He’s not come? Yogini: He wasn’t allowed to come, Mother. Shri Mataji: He was not allowed? Yogi: I think you told him that he wasn’t allowed. Shri Mataji: All right. I did say. I’m sorry. I did, I had to. Certain things had to be done. I am sorry. But you must know you are people who are chosen specially. What prophecies are made for you if you read that ‘Milton’ (by William Blake) you will know — the English people. What prophecies! “The Men of God will be there and they will have their own heroes and they will not follow these Romans and Greeks and their horrible heroes. They’ll have their innocent heroes, and all those things.” And here I find that there’s a kind of a passion for falling down. Keep together. Keep together. Love each other. Understand them. Love not of mesmerism, but of freedom. In freedom you must love each other. I never take away your freedom, that’s one thing, whether you fall or rise. First thing is for your freedom. That is the thing on which you are going to move. So today is the day where you all have to promise and pray that, this brotherhood and sisterhood will be established. Ask for it in this soil of England, this is the Jerusalem. Ask for that, that this will be established on the soil of Jerusalem. That’s the most important thing. And you will be surprised that once this is established, Lakshmi is established. Now Mahalakshmi has eight aspects. Now read about these eight aspects. How many there are, let us see! First follow! Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Adya Lakshmi Namoh Namah. Shri Mataji: Adya Lakshmi. Adya Lakshmi means Mahalakshmi. Adya Lakshmi. Adi, Adya. Adya Lakshmi: that’s the first one. You say now, you repeat it! Yogis: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri Adya Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Now, second one. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Vidya Lakshmi Namoh Namah. Shri Mataji: Vidya - vidya is the art of Sahaj Yoga, which you know. That is vidya. The rest is all avidya. How to raise the Kundalini; how to awaken all the deities; how to cleanse yourself; how to cleanse others. All the knowledge; all the science about that is called as vidya: the Lakshmi of that. Lakshmi is the grace, is the grace. The awareness that is gracious. The awareness that is gracious. So that Lakshmi should be with you, not only to know the vidya, you know that, but to have grace about it. The way people do things, for example: some people will just go on. All that kind of a nonsense you do. Sometimes the way we go on working [on themselves], and I’m giving a lecture and people are just working out. All that is most disgraceful and disgracious (ungracious). So not to do these method of making the thing look so disgracious. I mean you need not be serious people at all, because Sahaj Yoga is not a serious thing. It is a play. It is a play of grace. You have to be gracious; you are not to be disgraceful, that’s very important. If you are disgraceful then your vidya is useless. I have seen many people all the time doing like this, doing like that; they think that it’s their left hand job, you see, and they have become now masters of this job. There’s no grace about it. One has to see how to do it graciously. Do you see your Mother, how She moves Her hands and feet. Not one day, one time, even in one action you will find me doing something ungraceful like that except when I copy you! (laughter) So this is what it is, is the Vidya Lakshmi. Lakshmi is the grace to do everything. Come, second one, third. Yogini: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri- Shri Mataji: ...and now you could say it. “Om twameva…” Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Vidya Lakshmi sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: For Left Swadishthana you know this is the Mantra. Third One. Yogini: Om twameva sakshat Shri Saubhagnya Lakshmi namoh namaha. Shri Mataji: Sau-bha-gya, Saubhagnya means ‘good fortune’. The Lakshmi that gives you good fortune in every way. Like She gives you good fortune in money, in your living, in your food, in every way. Any good fortune is given through God. It’s only God who gives good fortune. If you get money say in the racecourse, that’s bad fortune because that will be lost next day or you will go to the pub to be free. But if you get the real one, then you create something out of it which is blissful and great: is Saubhagnya Lakshmi. Now, say it. Saubhagnya Lakshmi. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Saubaghya Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: Amruta. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Amrut Lakshmi Namah. Shri Mataji: Amruta. Amruta means the thing that does not die. In this world the Lakshmi exists as your wealth. Now the wealth that does not die, which is that wealth? Is the Spirit. So the grace of the Spirit is the Amruta Lakshmi. Grace of the Spirit is the Amruta Lakshmi. The rest of the things all will die out. And whatever is done through the Spirit, to please the Spirit, is the Amruta Lakshmi, for example: loving others. Loving others has a different meaning in the symbolic way as you people understand it. Loving means giving; doing without any expectation. Just doing and enjoying it. The greatest is giving vibrations. That is Amruta. Vibrations do not die. That’s the Lakshmi of the Amruta. Yogis: Om Twameva sakshat, Shri Amruta Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kaam Lakshmi... Shri Mataji: No, Gruhalakshmi! You know that, Gruhalakshmi. Yogis: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri Gruhalakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha". Shri Mataji: Ha. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Satya Lakshmi Namah. Shri Mataji: Sa-tya: [as] I told awareness. She is the one who has given you awareness. Awareness is Lakshmi’s character. Satya means the truth. As you rise in your awareness, you know the truth. Now what is the truth? What is the truth? What are we aware of? You are aware that you are the instrument of God and that He is working through you. You are aware of that because it’s flowing on your central nervous system. This is the truth of which you have to be aware. What is the other truth? Is who are you? That you are the Spirit. And the third truth is, who am I? And the fourth truth is who is God? What is your destiny? If they become your awareness, then you have got Satya Lakshmi. Say now. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat, Shri Satya Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Bhogya Lakshmi Namah. Shri Mataji: Mm? Yogini: Bhogya Lakshmi. Shri Mataji: Bhogya Lakshmi. Bho-gya: ‘Bhoga’ means the one by which you enjoy, by which you enjoy. I mean it’s like the whole ocean of joy is around you and you are like a bird who cannot drink it. Only through the grace of Bhogya Lakshmi, you can enjoy that. So, the Spirit, though it is manifesting, you are not enjoying your Spirit - even that. Anything that you see — say you see a flower — you should be able to enjoy. You cannot enjoy because there is thought. Anything you do [if] there is thought, you cannot enjoy. When the Spirit is flowing you get complete enjoyment. Actually I should say, I am the enjoyer of it. Yogis: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri Bhogya Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi, Namoh Namaha. Yogini: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Yoga Lakshmi Namah. Shri Mataji: Yoga Lakshmi. The Lakshmi’s power which gives you Yoga. Lakshmi supports your power of yoga by giving you awareness. The power by which you take to yoga is all combined as Yoga Lakshmi. Like your affluence: you are not satisfied and you want to have Yoga. The dissatisfaction you get till you have got yoga is coming from the Yoga Lakshmi. So Yoga Lakshmi is the power which gives you or takes you to your grace, by which you go to yoga: that’s Yoga Lakshmi. Means the kind of a satisfaction that you seek is manifested in you through this power of Yoga Lakshmi. And then once you have achieved your yoga, you get the grace. Lakshmi is the grace. So you get the grace of a saint. You should have the grace of a saint. You should look like a saint. You are a saint. I think better write it on your mirrors, “We are saints. We are men of God. We have to behave like saints. We are saints.” You are, no doubt. You are men of God, no doubt, but you have to turn your faces this way. So, this is the Yoga Lakshmi. For example a person who has got Yoga Lakshmi doesn’t quarrel like a madcap. If he quarrels or dominates someone in a foolish way then he’s still lacking that Lakshmi point. There’s a grace about it, the whole way of talking. How you talk to a saint? All right. Yogis: Om twameva Sakshat, Shri Yoga Lakshmi Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji: So these are the eight-fold paths by which one has to grace oneself. This is the attire of Sahaj Yogis. And today you have asked for it. May God give you that power. One more thing I have to say just before we start doing the thing [is] that around the Lakshmi you know is the Void. And though the Lakshmi in a situation where there is negativity, She runs away, She is frightened. She is a frightened Deity. She is very sensitive. She doesn’t like any negativity. As soon as the negativity comes in She runs away. In the same way those people, those great saints who were born on the Void, have said that, “Those people who try to frighten Lakshmi are the people who are irreligious,” in the sense they drink. Those people who drink, in the third generation lose their Lakshmi completely. You can see the results now: those who used to take one peg (30 ml of alcohol), now are sitting in the pub the whole night. And that’s what it is that, once these things enter into your family or household, they start corroding your Lakshmi. That’s why we have to understand that Lakshmi is very, very sensitive to this point. And Lakshmi is extremely sensitive to fanaticism, extremely sensitive to fanaticism. Any kind of fanatic ideas you have got, She will run away. She can’t stand fanaticism. As soon as fanaticism will settle down into any country, it will start becoming poorer and poorer. Any kind of fanaticism about religion is to be avoided. Now so many young people who are aware of fanaticism because, thank God, there are some horrible fanatics which have proved that fanaticism is bad, and they are now coming round it. But when fanaticism works out, the expulsion of all the powers of Lakshmi from within, that’s the sure and certain sign that you really invite cancer, really invite cancer. Also alcohol does, but this is the triggering point. If an alcoholic is also a fanatic, it will trigger much faster. Fanaticism is to be to be avoided like leprosy for Sahaja Yogis. But not only that, we have to stand up in a revolt against all kinds of fanaticism. Just this is the revolution against all fanaticism of life. That’s very important for the establishment of Shri Lakshmi. Any religion, any fanaticism that collides with another religion or in any way belittles it — because all religions are just the same of one God — belittles another religion or insults anyone is absolutely against Lakshmi’s Principle. So we go, after all this, when we rise above this, we go to Mahalakshmi principle. Now the awareness that was seeking up to Lakshmi — means you achieve money, achieve position for achieving grace, once you have achieved the grace of this, you want to achieve God. And this new awakening within you that you have to achieve God now is the power of Mahalakshmi. By the power of Mahalakshmi only, you achieve your saintliness, your Realisation. That’s why She came on this earth as the Mother of Jesus Christ. That was Mahalakshmi, not Lakshmi but Mahalakshmi. May God bless you. (Puja commences with discussion and mantras) Gavin: Gurushaya Namaha. Istadevata Namaha, all those: that we do first. Shri Mataji: All right. All the names of the Gods or all the Deities. Gavin: Om Shri Mahaganapati Namah Shri Saraswati Mataya Namah Gurubhyo Namah Vedapurushaya Namah Ishtadevatabhyo Namah Kuladevatabhyo Namah Sthandevatabhyo Namah Shri Mataji: Sthanadevata! Gavin: Gramdevatabhyo Namah Vastudevatabhyo Namah Shachipurandarabhyam Namoh Kalkam Parashuramebhyo Namah Matrupitrubhyam Namoh Adityadinavagrahadevatabhyo Namah Sarvebhyo Devebhyo Namah Sarvebhyo Bhahmanebhyo Namah Yetad Karma Pradhanadevatabhyo Namah Shri Mataji: Mmm, very good! All the Deities within you, see all the Deities within you. You see, all the deities within you have been already…(Mother is interrupted) Shri Mataji: Why is she taking? Don’t do like that! Yogi: It’s time to go and feed her soon. Shri Mataji: Ha? Cover her head. Don't do like that. No no no no no Cover their heads, Jane what are you doing? Yogini: She was crying Mother. I'm not sure, you know, whether she wants feeding or changing. Shri Mataji: No no no. Foment her stomach here.. Take her out. She'll be all right. Don't take her outside. Ha. Give her here. Shri Mataji: Ha. Let's help her. Somebody can bring just a cheap little cloth or something and a ?? Gavin: Then we make the dedication of saying where is the puja is being held. So: on the ninth of November in the winter season on the fifteenth night of the moon, when the sun in Tropic of Capricorn, we do this puja... Shri Mataji: Today is the second day of the moon. Actually is the other week has started now. That date was fifteenth. But today is the second day, second day of the moon on the 'Shukla Paksha' [waxing moon] . On the 'Shukla Paksha' means when the moon is going to become bigger. All of this is very important, is historical, you see, that’s why it would be nice to say that. Come along! Gavin: We do this puja in Hampstead, in London, in England, in Europe, in this world, on behalf of all Sahaj Yogis. Shri Mataji: Ask you now... Has she got the flu. Hand to Swadishthan. Gavin: The third section is called 'sankalpa'. That means, ‘holy determination’, according to all religious scriptures. Shri Mataji: Just sprinkle all over. Sprinkle all over. You come here. Just sprinkle it all over. Sprinkle it all over, just like that. Gavin: According to all religious scriptures, all of us with all our families pray for well-being, for spiritual well-being, for victory, fearlessness, longevity, health, wealth, for the nullification of all badhas of the Sahaja Yogis, to become the master of eight siddhis, to give peace to all who walk on two legs and on four. We pray for health, satisfaction and for all auspiciousness for all those who are handicapped, for the emancipation of all people, to give them the highest knowledge and whatever is my power, whatever is my knowledge, whatever offering I could get through meditation, or by whatever means of sixteen types, I surrender in the puja. Shri Mataji: Did you follow that? This is the sankalpa. This is the determination; it’s the holy determination you are making. Did you follow that or you want him to read it again? Gavin read it loudly, you get up and say it. You go on reading.
11/10/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6702	The Eternal Spirit	England	London	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	51	The Eternal Spirit, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 10 November 1980. (A yogi introduces Shri Mataji as well as Sir CP who is attending the program for the first time, having just been unanimously re-elected as Secretary General of the IMO.) Shri Mataji: Somebody has done some introduction, has someone done? Peter? Is he there? Peter, you have to talk to these people about what I told you. Today we are going to have a short session, because you are all invited today to a dinner after the programme. Thus, host is my husband who wants to invite you and he’ll be coming about 8:15 or 8:30. So, today we are going to think about our Spirit, which we have neglected throughout. We are not even conscious that we have a Spirit. Through Sahaj Yoga those who are now conscious, because they can feel it through their vibrations, they can also get lost and can forget it. The Spirit is the only eternal thing within us, all the rest are transitory and evolutionary. Everything goes into evolution and the better is the evolution, the higher the Spirit starts manifesting itself. Like the reflection on the stone of even the sun is zero. And the reflection of the sun on the lake is sometimes I think, is a reflection that is felt in the Sahaj Yogis, when they see it, feel it, it flows, they can feel the breeze in their hand. But still their attention is not fully enlightened. The Spirit has not permeated inside. It’s just reflecting still. In the mirror you see the reflection of the sun. But even then, when you remove it you cannot reflect it. This is the difference - that even if you become the mirror of the sun, unless and until it permeates into your being and transforms you into something new, you have not done full justice to yourself and nor to the powers of your Spirit. The Spirit has come just like a vision to you, an experience to you, but the growth of your being has not yet started. And if it has started it’s so slow that you may not achieve much in one lifetime. Because your attention is on all various things. You have been misidentified from the very beginning. Since the time you were amoeba you have been misidentified. The matter played a big role in your life, so matter was important. Then all the five elements that are within us were very important to us. Because we can see them, feel them, we have lived them for years, thousands and thousands of years. So they are part and parcel of your being and that is why you are so much identified with it. Naturally, no doubt. But in the living process it never happens like that. There are some seeds which grow so fast that within one year they become trees after they have been sprouted. They bear fruit in one year’s time. Some trees are such, but some of them linger on and linger on and linger on and they take too much time, so much so that maybe when they are not yet fully developed any storm, any wind, any one of these things can just push them down. So you have to make a rapid growth within. Even after Realisation I have seen people do not pay attention to their Spirit. So for every Sahaj Yogi today I would say they have to ask, “Where is your attention, Mr?” Or Mrs. or Miss, whatever it is. “Where is your attention?” For example we can be enveloped with problem- solving something absolutely useless! Specially in the West, we do it much more than in the East because we take it for granted in the East, many things. But here because we think by planning we have achieved a lot, we start planning. We start planning about going to a place, and buying a ticket, and doing this and doing that; everything is too planned out. All the time we are wasting on something which does not require any time at all. Supposing you have to go somewhere, alright. First of all, I don’t know if going is that important, but to some people that is much more important. Like one gentleman today came with his family to see me, specially to meet me, according to him! I don’t know how far to believe. So he wanted to have a special interview with me in my house. He had it and that’s how I am late. He doesn’t mind that. Then now he cannot come to the programme because he has got some friends whom he has to meet. His wife has not got Realisation, does not matter [to him]. Because his friends are very loving people, very good, they have been very kind to him, he must meet them. Where is the attention? All these misidentifications we have, like marriage also. Some people come to me and tell me, “Mother, we are very happily married,” or unhappily married. Or the one who is happily married is equally a headache as the unhappily married. The unhappily one you can understand why he’s a headache. But the happily married also says, “I must do something for wife. I have not done anything. I haven’t bought her a diamond ring. I must buy for her”. “I haven’t done this thing for her, I must get her a Rolls-Royce, and do all this and that”. But where is your attention? The whole attention is diverted to things, which has no play, which has no meaning, which helps you nowhere. Then the attention is, in a subtler way, in many other things, like children. Now children is sort of- if I say anything, they’ll say, “Mother, do you want us to neglect the children?” This is the problem. Children are not looked after by you, they are looked after by God. You are just a instrument of God to look after them. The more you are with God, the better you are with your children, you know how to handle them, you are kinder to them, you know how to solve their problems much better if you are getting your power from God. But if you are not interested in God, He is not either interested in you. That’s the thing we do not understand. We think that if we are interested in God, we are obliging Him. Supposing you are interested in a job you never think that way that you are obliging the job. But as far as the God is concerned, we think, “Why? We are obliging God!” Aside: Where is she going? [Hindi] You are not obliging God at all. He is obliging you. The attitude is so funny among human beings that you can’t imagine! All the time, they feel they are obliging God and they are doing something for the God. What can you do for Him? Just think like that. I met a lady, she said, “Oh, how did I get cancer? I don’t understand. I used to always pray to God.” According to her, if she prayed to God, she thinks she’s paid Him the money for His job and He better look after her! It is you who are obliged by His kindness, by His compassion. He is so gracious that He knows that you are stupid. He knows that you don’t know this. He forgives you for your stupidity. He knows that you are naive and that you are children, that you are small, still not grown, you are not matured enough. If you are egoistical, He forgives you. Because He’s compassionate. But do not take it for granted! Do not take it for granted! Those who think that, “We can do whatever we like and behave in whatever way we like, as long as we pray to God. Yes, He’ll do everything for us.” Why should He? Where is our attention? What is yoga? In simple words, it is taking your attention to the Spirit. This is yoga. What does the Kundalini do? She raises your attention and takes it to the Spirit. Only after knowing the Spirit you can know God, not before that. That’s why all religions have failed. The incarnations who came to propound these religions said that again and again. For example Christ said that, "You are to be born again". All right, if you have to be born again, what did we do? We got some people, certified that they can give you rebirth! So they will have some water very nicely put in a very beautiful place in the church and you very solemnly walk down, and they put some water on your head and they said, “You are now reborn!” And you accept it! You just accept it! As a child - because you know I was born in a Christian family - I used to laugh, I used to say, “What’s this mockery going on?” I thought they are just playing like children, though I was a child, but I used to think they are really playing. I didn’t know they were seriously doing it! (laughter). Really, I did not know, till quite some time. When I grew up I was surprised, they are serious about it! I mean, they believed in it, they believed they were getting rebirth and “It’s baptism, that’s the way it should be.” I really felt it. I was amazed! And how people were satisfied with that was a greater amazement to me! They would not ask, they would not challenge, they would not say anything about it; whether, “Am I really Realised or not? Am I really reborn?” In the same way among Hindus, they do the same nonsense. Same thing they do. When the child is about eight years of age, or say, from five years to eight years they call it as a ‘Yajnopavit samskara'. (sacred thread ceremony) That is the day they have to invite lots of people for dinner as we have - you see, everything must have a dinner with it! The attention is more there (on food)! And then they have a big function and then they have a big puja, this that. And the Brahmins, who are not connected with God, are doing all the puja and worshipping and everything and God is nowhere there! And then the fellow gets a thread which is to certify that he’s a Brahmin, from a person who has certified himself that he’s a Brahmin! It’s all self-certification and falsehood! For a person like me it was amazing! And I used to wonder, “What’s the matter with these people?” How have they taken all these things into their hands? Why don’t they question themselves once for all? “How we are doing?” Not only [that] but I found them to be completely mesmerised with the idea that they are doing the right thing. Every Monday I hear the people singing next to my house. What are they singing? God alone knows! They come, very well organised, just to sing some sort of hymns and things like that, which has no meaning, which is not going to reach to God. Where is their attention? The attention has to be on the Spirit and that cannot be there unless and until something happens within you. But those who have been seeking that attention, those who have been asking that, “Oh Lord, keep my attention on God and on seeking,” are, the people, going to be blessed; not the people who have their attention [elsewhere]: now supposing in the morning they go to the church and next day to the races, and third day somewhere else. Again on a Sunday morning they are there back in the church, regularly. And they say, “I regularly go to the church!” The attention has to be on the Spirit, even before and after Realisation. Many people ask us, “Mother, then what should people do before Realisation?” They should put their attention on their Spirit, asking for it, that, “Take my attention, Oh my Lord, to my Spirit.” And not to accept something which is false and nonsensical. Because once you start accepting something false it sits on your head. It’s a vicious circle: you have to go ahead with it and you don’t know where you are and by the time you realise, you find you are too old to give it up and you carry on, somehow. It’s like intoxication. All falsehood of the world is an intoxication! Because if it was not intoxicating or hypnotising, why people carry on with it? I mean, to me, I don’t understand: when you know it is falsehood, why should you carry on with it? Of course, you can play with it. That’s a different thing, just to play. Just like children: they build everything. If you tell “Put them on the sand,” they’ll build a big castle and they’ll make a house and they’ll make a cowshed and everything. And [afterwards] just they break everything, take it out, clear out the whole thing. They know it’s just a play they have done it. They are conscious of it. If this consciousness is there, then one should say that such people are seekers. That is the category of seekers, where they are not satisfied with falsehood and they want to find out the Truth. Now the Truth is that the Spirit is within you and you are the Spirit. You are the beauty, the bliss and the joy of that Spirit. That’s what you are. Because your attention is not there that’s why you cannot feel your Spirit. But your Spirit exists, it is within you, in your heart, waiting for a moment to come into your conscious mind, to be felt by you in your central nervous system. It’s all there, built within you. Man in his madness doesn’t realise that God has made him from amoeba to this stage for some purpose. There is a big purpose behind everything, and the purpose is that now you have to know your Spirit by which you enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God. How? What is your passport? Is your Spirit. Because when the Spirit starts shining within you, you start transforming. You start transforming into a new being, into a new personality with a new awareness and you are a different person. Your priorities change. But those who are not really good seekers I would say, may have a three-legged race, as I call that. They’ll be identified with something else. What is a three-legged race? Is that you are tied with one leg to another personality. Now this could be the job, this could be anything else, and you are tied with it and the progress retards, it goes down. The progress in Sahaj Yoga is only possible when your attention is on the Spirit. How do you nourish it? That’s another point. The only solution is collectivity. A person who is not collectively nourished cannot grow. He cannot grow whatever he may try. These are the two very important points of Sahaj Yoga and one has to understand [that] this collectivity is to be grown within you. But what do you become? Actually what do you become after your growth? You become a collective being. So you have to nourish yourself in collectivity. People just don’t understand this simple point that you have to become the Collective Being. And that nourishment, if it is not growing into you, then you are not a Sahaj Yogi at all. You are just having the trip of your ego or your super-ego. And this is very important. By saying you are brothers and sisters and this and that it’s not possible, I know that. It’s wrong. It’s another game. Just like baptism it’s another game to say, “Oh, we are all united together and we are all brothers and sisters and nothing should prevent us from being that.” Socially we can be alright, but politically may not be, or economically we cannot be and all sorts of things can come. But after Realisation, when the Kundalini rises through these seven centres and pierces you through on the Sahasrara, then you start feeling the vibrations, feeling the cool breeze in your hand. This is how your Spirit is talking to you. The rapport is established. You are connected with the Spirit. That’s the sign. If you are not connected then you have to get connected, then we can talk about it. Before you are connected what is there to talk? What is there to say? Supposing this (mic) is not connected, how can I use it? Tell me. Is there any way? It’s so simple as that. Everything is so simple which you people have made so complicated. To me, a simple person, I don’t understand. I mean, it has to be connected or not? Any telephone is to be connected to the mains or not? So the connection has to be there. And once we decide the connection has to be there then what are we doing about it? That we are doing Sahaj Yoga. What is Sahaj Yog? Is the right of every seeker to have this connection with the Divine. This you are doing in your own right, no doubt. There I cannot challenge your right. It’s your right. Say for example, in a government it’s decided that all those people under sixteen must be given £5 each. Alright, as long as is under sixteen you have a right and the government will see to it that they fulfil that promise, isn’t it? In the same way you are promised that, in the modern times, all those who will ask for Realisation will be granted. What a promise to make! Just imagine! And use me for that purpose, or Sahaj Yogis for that purpose. This is being promised in many scriptures, by many incarnations. The time has come and I have to give you Realisation. More and more people have to be given Realisation, all those who ask for it. Of course it cannot be forced onto anyone! This is your right! It is your right to ask for your property but if nobody asks, the government won’t go back on them and tell them, “Now, please have it, we beg of you, we fall at your feet,” and this and that. Do they do that? In the same way, nobody is going to fall at your feet, but if you ask for it, that’s your right, and you can have it. But the difference is that the right is to be exercised in a full way. If you ask a right that, “I want to become the governor of a particular place,” then you should be able to assume that power. In the same way, if you think you have right then you must assume also the power of Spirit within you. You have to keep your attention to your Spirit. Now, the whole system of Spirit is so dynamic and beyond human comprehension that you are suddenly amazed and surprised at it. First of all you are amazed. Then you start thinking, “How can that be so simple? How can that be so easy?” I mean it’s not simple! In the sense that you have been made from amoeba to this stage. Is it a simple thing to do? Can you make one dog into a human being? Or even a horse, which you like very much. Can you? To make so many human beings out of amoeba, isn’t it a difficult thing? And if you are made that, that evolution must have rendered something within you, in that something is built in you. And when it works out it looks simple, but it is not. It has a big background which is being worked out to bring you to this stage, just to know ‘thyself.’ “Know Thyself,” simple words. It’s too simple for human comprehension that’s why it is too difficult. Because they cannot go to simple things. “Know thyself”. What is ‘thyself’? You ask somebody, “Yes, I know myself very well.” “Now, what do you know about yourself?” “I like to go to pubs!” That’s thyself! “I like to become something great.” “I like…” That’s what you know your self? What you like? Or else, “I am afraid.” “I am frightened.” “I don’t believe in this.” “I don’t do this.” “Is this ‘I’ the one you are? Is it?” Then they will say, “I am not sure.” But when you are the Self, that’s absolute and that’s sure-shot that’s what you are. You know this is it. When you talk as a Spirit, you have no doubts, you have no doubt at all, because the absolute is established in you. For example, you take ten Sahaj Yogis, ten small, little children who are Realised-souls, and ask them to face a personality and ask them, “What is the problem with this gentleman?” And immediately they will say that, “This gentleman has got this finger problem or this finger problem.” All of them will say the same, with their closed eyes. Everyone will say the same thing. They’ll not criticise each other, because everybody will feel the same thing. All the children will feel the same thing. You cannot befool children. They’ll say, “Yes, they are catching on this finger!” And you ask the person, “Have you got bronchitis?” He says, “Yes, I have!” Or something like that; even liver, anything which is not even diagnosed by doctors. Not only on physical side, on the emotional side [also] you can say. I met a lady the other day and said, I asked her, “Do you believe in anything?” She said, “I don’t believe in anything whatsoever!” What sort of a thing is that? A personality and a personality I meet, I tell you! One ‘better’ than the other! She said, “Only I believe in myself.” “All right, doesn’t matter! Even then I am agreed that you believe in yourself. But where is your Self? Where is your Self; in what thing do you believe?” When that Self manifests, then you have no questions, you are doubtless, you know this is it. You have no question about anything whatsoever, you know everything. That’s how the vibrations tell you. This is the Spirit that tells you. The Spirit within you tells you. You ask the Spirit, “What is to be done?” You ask any question. For example, I was born in a Christian family and in India people felt very funny that a lady who is supposed to give us our moksha and our Realisation should be a Christian lady because they thought she has to be a Brahmin or something like that. I am a Brahmin in a way because I am a Realised-soul. I have no caste and community, but I am a Realised-soul. So, they asked me a question, “Mother, how is it you were born a Christian?” I said, “Alright, you ask on your vibrations: ‘Is Christ the son of God?’.” Imagine for Hindus and Muslims, to accept this is very difficult. And the vibrations [started flowing], and the most orthodox of Hindus immediately, immediately accepted. For them one advantage is there that they know that the cool breeze is the way you can make out that your Spirit is flowing, that’s the only way. They know, that’s an advantage they have. But they gave up all that, and a revolution came into them! Imagine Hindus of India, who are such orthodox people, have been dominated also by Muslims. Now they take the name of “Allah hu akbar,”! They are trying to know the namaz. They are trying to do the namaz. All this fanaticism is going to be finished, absolutely crushed, as soon as the Spirit starts manifesting itself. Because only truth will be accepted. In the same way, we have Muslim disciples: they have accepted Christ, they have accepted Ganesha, they have accepted everything, because on the vibrations you see the truth is there! Fanatics will also have to come around. But first those who are doubting fanaticism will first of all get it. How can any fanatic be correct? Because they are talking about one God and they are in juxtaposition with each other. How can that be? But it’s so. If you talk to a fanatic, who is an ardent Muslim and an ardent Hindu – they hate each other! They cannot understand how God could create them, the one Person can create both of them. They think they have separate Gods! I don’t know how they carry on with their fanaticism because I can’t understand. But the entire truth about everything can be known through your vibratory awareness! And this vibratory awareness comes to you through your attention which is enlightened by your Spirit. This Spirit resides within us. All the time it knows everything what we do. It’s the one which knows all our feelings, wherever we move. But the same Spirit, when it enlightens our attention, the thing that He’s enjoying, itself, or it is enjoying itself, becomes our experience. Because the Spirit is collectively conscious and we become collectively conscious. Those people who are not collectively conscious are not Sahaj Yogis, they are absolutely just ‘so-called’. First collective consciousness comes in, within us, by feeling the cool breeze blowing through our hands and by feeling all the fingers and feeling all the chakras. Some people don’t feel it in the hands if their Vishuddhi is not alright, but still they can feel within themselves. Like there are devices I feel, as, if the gas fails, then the electricity works out! That also works out in many people. You can feel it within yourself, where is the problem and you can feel the chakras. That’s the first thing happens to you, that you feel the collectivity within you. That you are a collective being you feel. You also feel about yourself, what you are catching, where you are catching. And ultimately, then, you start feeling, nourishing your collectivity. Which is the point very much missed in the individualistic society. Because the whole of the individualistic society is based on competition and there is no competition in Sahaj Yoga. It’s just the other way round. That you nourish on other people. The person who cannot carry on with other Sahaj Yogis is a sure and certain person who is going to get out of this. You have to nourish yourself on collectivity. And once you start doing it, somehow or other, you see, I have seen some people, it clicks with them, sometimes. But with some people I go on telling them, “This way, that way” in so many ways I try to work it out, it never clicks. But with some people it suddenly clicks and they become different people. Everybody then certifies, “Oh, they have become very sweet now.” But some of the people just go on, just like, all the time they are like thorns, and anybody they touch, that person gets a fright. And then that person says, “Alright, I am getting out. I am not talking to anyone, I am not doing this. I am just keeping quiet.” That’s all they can do. They cannot take out that thorn from themselves and can become one, articulate with others. And when this thing happens, one has to know that there’s something wrong. After all, from where are you going to get your nourishment? The Spirit is shining, the sun is shining, but your tree of life has to get your nourishment from collectivity. Once you realise that, it works wonders. It has worked wonders with so many people all over the world. But there’s a greater danger for people, where individualism is regarded as something great, where people think to be individualistic in their attitude towards their selections and choices and the decision-making. For every small thing they will make a decision. Why? What is the advantage? What did you gain by wasting so much energy in decision-making? Whether you’ll have the fish and chips or you’ll have hamburger! What does it mean? Why waste so much energy on that? Where is your attention? All these things, all this attitude is nothing but ego-oriented and is competitive. And also all the medias that are used are just trying to exploit it. Like, they’ll say “If you have a cigar it’s sufficient, you need not have a Rolls-Royce,” or something like that. So you buy a cigar like a madcap. But if they put it in the television then fifty percent [of] people will do it, as if they have no brains to use. It’s a mad world that way. To me, it is not, in a way, because you are seekers. Have you ever seen so many seekers? Seekers of Truth. They are not only claiming, they mean it. I know, they mean it. They are not just claiming. It’s not a fashion with them, they do mean it. And I am really very happy about it that there are seekers, those who are seeking, who are honest and intelligent and who want to know who they are. Today, as I said, we’ll have a short programme. And there’s no end to my speeches. I don’t know how many speeches I have given now, I’ve lost count! This is only just to make your attention a little steady - then the Kundalini rises. Without that happening your attention cannot go inside. Once the happening takes place your attention is pulled in. The whole attention goes inside and it is carried and is brought to this point where it breaks: this is the seat of your Spirit and the seat resides in your heart [at Brahmarandhra]. And you are blessed with your Self-realisation. Now, the growth has to come, that you have to move your awareness towards the Spirit. And when that happens, that your Spirit dominates your awareness, that your awareness becomes the Spirit, then Satchitananda [begins]. ‘Sat’ is the essence of your awareness, is the Truth; through your awareness you know the truth. ‘Chit’ is the attention and ‘anand’ is the Spirit. The essence of the Spirit is joy. All these things become one. That has to happen. Then the growth is much faster. When it is half way round, the growth is less. And the growth is to be felt in your collectivity not in how you organise some things and all that - no! In collectivity. How you feel about the whole world, how you are connected about the whole world. What you are doing about it. Can you work it out for them? Where is your attention? - Again. As soon as you go on your Spirit, you will start worrying about the whole universe. It will happen. The priorities will change, "Oh, I am here, I am the Spirit. And my work is not this. This is useless, this is not meant for me!" And the attention will start going from all mundane, gross things to the spiritual side. But by going there you become so dynamic that all material things will work out just like that. [Shri Mataji clicks Her fingers]. You’ll have no problem with material things, they will work out. Like I’ll tell you that a few examples are like this: You know I am a married woman and I have got grandchildren. I run my house very well and I have a household and mine is a marathon race! I mean, all of you have a relay-race but I have a marathon one. And it works out. But apart from that so many problems are solved. I’ll give you a simple example. Some girls have come from Australia. They told me, related, many problems they have solved. But one of them was very sweet that, there was a lady: she very much wanted to come to India to see me, and she thought her money was not sufficient. Now, money is absolutely material. And the little child, daughter she had, she also wanted to come. And the girl was having a jumble-sale, something. So she collected some of the trinkets here and there and went for a jumble-sale. And they discovered that she had a very expensive bracelet of gold, suddenly, which sold out for the amount of money exactly required for the ticket of the mother and the child. Exactly! Oh, this is nothing. There are many people who have known how materially it works out. For example we have a doctor of physics here (Regis), who was doing his doctorate and he did it for years and years, I don’t remember exactly how many years. And he brought his papers to me, he said, “Mother, I cannot now have anything more done, now I cannot even make it a fair thing. I cannot put it in the bound. And this is how I’m going to now present it. I am fed up. I have finished every single pie (1/192 Rupee) I had.” I said, “All right.” I just did like this to the thing (gave a bandhan). He said, “Are You not going to read?” I said, “No, what is there to read? It’s all right.” You won’t believe - he went next day to see the gentleman and he became a doctor of physics! That’s how materially things work out. Krishna has said it, “Yoga kshema vahamyaham.” Yoga, when you get your yoga, when you are connected with God, then He looks after your kshema, your well-being. This is so simple to understand. There’s another very simple truth one should understand that, if we are not connected with Him, how can He look after us? We have to be connected with Him: so we know His desires, we know His ways, we know how to please Him, we know what to do and so we can ask for what we want. You don’t even have to ask! You’ll be surprised how things work out for you, how family relations improve, social relations improve, economic relations improve. All these things are on your centres. And as the Kundalini rises, she starts spreading sideways also and you start getting the effect. The first you get is the material and the physical, and that’s how you know how we have cured people of cancer and things, just like that! (Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers) People don’t understand how we have done it but we have. Because Spirit is the dynamism within us, it is THE thing. Like one diamond which is put in a ring and embedded in the soil, saved permanently, just to keep it out of problems, is suddenly discovered. And that’s why it is all we seek. The basis of all our existence is nothing but our Spirit. That’s the basis, that’s the adhara, that’s the support. And to us it should be a special blessing for our Lord, Jesus Christ, was the embodiment of that Spirit. He came on this earth just to show you the way of your resurrection. It’s a special blessing to us. But Him also we have made it into a fanatic stuff. We are ‘great’ people! Give anything to human beings and they know how to make a good mess out of it. That’s what I have discovered. He was crucified; that was all right, because He cannot be crucified, He cannot be killed, that I know. But the way now He is clouded and how He is plucked out of reality and put into something false, sometimes it’s so shocking, frustrating and so humiliating that you can’t imagine. Whatever done is done. The quality of Spirit is forgiveness. The symbol of Spirit is Christ. And the power He has given us is to forgive, because He has that power to forgive. He’s the power of forgiveness. He is the ocean of forgiveness. So, He’s so powerful that He cleanses you through forgiveness. Just by forgiving you He cleanses you. And that’s how it works out. So you should not try to build a guilt in your mind. That’s the only thing most of the Christians do, is to sit down and build a guilt by spoiling this part of the chakra here. It’s amazing how it has come to us, this guilt. Perhaps the psychologists or confessions, I don’t know what it has been! They are guilty in imagination. And that part is very sad. That does not help. You are not to be guilty. You are the Spirit! What crime Spirit can do? Nothing! Only you have to get out of it, to become that. That’s what we are going to have. And let us work it out. We have some new people over here. I am sure it is going to work out. But for all the new people now, I have to say one thing, that Sahaja Yoga is not a thing you just go for a programme and get out. It’s dangerous if you get your Realisation and still you do not recognise Sahaja Yoga, it will be very difficult for you to come back to Sahaja Yoga. So, please understand that, if you have found the way, do not lose it. Try to follow it. I have nothing to gain from you. It is you who has to gain; that’s your right. You better have it. May God bless you all. About these chakras and all that: we’ve got some papers, which you can see yourself and read and you can understand. It's there? So, let us, put your hands like this and we’ll work it out. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Are you? Good. Today I’m talking about! Absolutely about this awareness. This is not on faith. You’ll get it. It’s working out. You’ll get it. Can you see that? It’s working out. (Gavin and Bala make a brief speech each to congratulate Sir CP on his re-election) Sir C.P.: Dear Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoginis, I am very, very grateful for all the kind words that have just been spoken about me. And I am truly delighted that you find it a source of happiness that my wife will stay on here for another five years. I now see how many good wishes there were and those who wanted to wish. I am sure it’s because of your will and your desire that my wife should stay on here and they helped me! I want to thank you very much for this, this evening. It’s a great pleasure and privilege to be with you. And I say this because you represent the fulfilment in some ways, of the dreams and ambitions of my wife. She has been wanting it many years to spread her message and the only person, as a student, who was available was myself. I can assure you that She will be here, She will be with you and She will be with ?? and with family that you are building up, all I can say, may you work like a treat and this world become a better place to live in. May all [unclear] …that we are all brothers and sisters on this day, whatever the colour of our skin. And whatever [muffled]. Thank you all very much for this. Shri Mataji: To hear everything, I don’t know what to say. I must say that, if this kind of a thing starts working out in the whole world, then people will take to Sahaj Yoga, because they will think that there has to be a sustaining power. You see, as a seed grows who has to come up and that’s the very thing that happens to you. And always you get this working organisation in the office also. They had the same feeling of a family which works wonders also. So even before Realisation, people can break through everything, and why not after Realisation? Thank you very much. All of you are very happy.	null	null	null	The Eternal Spirit, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 10 November 1980. (A yogi introduces Shri Mataji as well as Sir CP who is attending the program for the first time, having just been unanimously re-elected as Secretary General of the IMO.) Shri Mataji: Somebody has done some introduction, has someone done? Peter? Is he there? Peter, you have to talk to these people about what I told you. Today we are going to have a short session, because you are all invited today to a dinner after the programme. Thus, host is my husband who wants to invite you and he’ll be coming about 8:15 or 8:30. So, today we are going to think about our Spirit, which we have neglected throughout. We are not even conscious that we have a Spirit. Through Sahaj Yoga those who are now conscious, because they can feel it through their vibrations, they can also get lost and can forget it. The Spirit is the only eternal thing within us, all the rest are transitory and evolutionary. Everything goes into evolution and the better is the evolution, the higher the Spirit starts manifesting itself. Like the reflection on the stone of even the sun is zero. And the reflection of the sun on the lake is sometimes I think, is a reflection that is felt in the Sahaj Yogis, when they see it, feel it, it flows, they can feel the breeze in their hand. But still their attention is not fully enlightened. The Spirit has not permeated inside. It’s just reflecting still. In the mirror you see the reflection of the sun. But even then, when you remove it you cannot reflect it. This is the difference - that even if you become the mirror of the sun, unless and until it permeates into your being and transforms you into something new, you have not done full justice to yourself and nor to the powers of your Spirit. The Spirit has come just like a vision to you, an experience to you, but the growth of your being has not yet started. And if it has started it’s so slow that you may not achieve much in one lifetime. Because your attention is on all various things. You have been misidentified from the very beginning. Since the time you were amoeba you have been misidentified. The matter played a big role in your life, so matter was important. Then all the five elements that are within us were very important to us. Because we can see them, feel them, we have lived them for years, thousands and thousands of years. So they are part and parcel of your being and that is why you are so much identified with it. Naturally, no doubt. But in the living process it never happens like that. There are some seeds which grow so fast that within one year they become trees after they have been sprouted. They bear fruit in one year’s time. Some trees are such, but some of them linger on and linger on and linger on and they take too much time, so much so that maybe when they are not yet fully developed any storm, any wind, any one of these things can just push them down. So you have to make a rapid growth within. Even after Realisation I have seen people do not pay attention to their Spirit. So for every Sahaj Yogi today I would say they have to ask, “Where is your attention, Mr?” Or Mrs. or Miss, whatever it is. “Where is your attention?” For example we can be enveloped with problem- solving something absolutely useless! Specially in the West, we do it much more than in the East because we take it for granted in the East, many things. But here because we think by planning we have achieved a lot, we start planning. We start planning about going to a place, and buying a ticket, and doing this and doing that; everything is too planned out. All the time we are wasting on something which does not require any time at all. Supposing you have to go somewhere, alright. First of all, I don’t know if going is that important, but to some people that is much more important. Like one gentleman today came with his family to see me, specially to meet me, according to him! I don’t know how far to believe. So he wanted to have a special interview with me in my house. He had it and that’s how I am late. He doesn’t mind that. Then now he cannot come to the programme because he has got some friends whom he has to meet. His wife has not got Realisation, does not matter [to him]. Because his friends are very loving people, very good, they have been very kind to him, he must meet them. Where is the attention? All these misidentifications we have, like marriage also. Some people come to me and tell me, “Mother, we are very happily married,” or unhappily married. Or the one who is happily married is equally a headache as the unhappily married. The unhappily one you can understand why he’s a headache. But the happily married also says, “I must do something for wife. I have not done anything. I haven’t bought her a diamond ring. I must buy for her”. “I haven’t done this thing for her, I must get her a Rolls-Royce, and do all this and that”. But where is your attention? The whole attention is diverted to things, which has no play, which has no meaning, which helps you nowhere. Then the attention is, in a subtler way, in many other things, like children. Now children is sort of- if I say anything, they’ll say, “Mother, do you want us to neglect the children?” This is the problem. Children are not looked after by you, they are looked after by God. You are just a instrument of God to look after them. The more you are with God, the better you are with your children, you know how to handle them, you are kinder to them, you know how to solve their problems much better if you are getting your power from God. But if you are not interested in God, He is not either interested in you. That’s the thing we do not understand. We think that if we are interested in God, we are obliging Him. Supposing you are interested in a job you never think that way that you are obliging the job. But as far as the God is concerned, we think, “Why? We are obliging God!” Aside: Where is she going? [Hindi] You are not obliging God at all. He is obliging you. The attitude is so funny among human beings that you can’t imagine! All the time, they feel they are obliging God and they are doing something for the God. What can you do for Him? Just think like that. I met a lady, she said, “Oh, how did I get cancer? I don’t understand. I used to always pray to God.” According to her, if she prayed to God, she thinks she’s paid Him the money for His job and He better look after her! It is you who are obliged by His kindness, by His compassion. He is so gracious that He knows that you are stupid. He knows that you don’t know this. He forgives you for your stupidity. He knows that you are naive and that you are children, that you are small, still not grown, you are not matured enough. If you are egoistical, He forgives you. Because He’s compassionate. But do not take it for granted! Do not take it for granted! Those who think that, “We can do whatever we like and behave in whatever way we like, as long as we pray to God. Yes, He’ll do everything for us.” Why should He? Where is our attention? What is yoga? In simple words, it is taking your attention to the Spirit. This is yoga. What does the Kundalini do? She raises your attention and takes it to the Spirit. Only after knowing the Spirit you can know God, not before that. That’s why all religions have failed. The incarnations who came to propound these religions said that again and again. For example Christ said that, "You are to be born again". All right, if you have to be born again, what did we do? We got some people, certified that they can give you rebirth! So they will have some water very nicely put in a very beautiful place in the church and you very solemnly walk down, and they put some water on your head and they said, “You are now reborn!” And you accept it! You just accept it! As a child - because you know I was born in a Christian family - I used to laugh, I used to say, “What’s this mockery going on?” I thought they are just playing like children, though I was a child, but I used to think they are really playing. I didn’t know they were seriously doing it! (laughter). Really, I did not know, till quite some time. When I grew up I was surprised, they are serious about it! I mean, they believed in it, they believed they were getting rebirth and “It’s baptism, that’s the way it should be.” I really felt it. I was amazed! And how people were satisfied with that was a greater amazement to me! They would not ask, they would not challenge, they would not say anything about it; whether, “Am I really Realised or not? Am I really reborn?” In the same way among Hindus, they do the same nonsense. Same thing they do. When the child is about eight years of age, or say, from five years to eight years they call it as a ‘Yajnopavit samskara'. (sacred thread ceremony) That is the day they have to invite lots of people for dinner as we have - you see, everything must have a dinner with it! The attention is more there (on food)! And then they have a big function and then they have a big puja, this that. And the Brahmins, who are not connected with God, are doing all the puja and worshipping and everything and God is nowhere there! And then the fellow gets a thread which is to certify that he’s a Brahmin, from a person who has certified himself that he’s a Brahmin! It’s all self-certification and falsehood! For a person like me it was amazing! And I used to wonder, “What’s the matter with these people?” How have they taken all these things into their hands? Why don’t they question themselves once for all? “How we are doing?” Not only [that] but I found them to be completely mesmerised with the idea that they are doing the right thing. Every Monday I hear the people singing next to my house. What are they singing? God alone knows! They come, very well organised, just to sing some sort of hymns and things like that, which has no meaning, which is not going to reach to God. Where is their attention? The attention has to be on the Spirit and that cannot be there unless and until something happens within you. But those who have been seeking that attention, those who have been asking that, “Oh Lord, keep my attention on God and on seeking,” are, the people, going to be blessed; not the people who have their attention [elsewhere]: now supposing in the morning they go to the church and next day to the races, and third day somewhere else. Again on a Sunday morning they are there back in the church, regularly. And they say, “I regularly go to the church!” The attention has to be on the Spirit, even before and after Realisation. Many people ask us, “Mother, then what should people do before Realisation?” They should put their attention on their Spirit, asking for it, that, “Take my attention, Oh my Lord, to my Spirit.” And not to accept something which is false and nonsensical. Because once you start accepting something false it sits on your head. It’s a vicious circle: you have to go ahead with it and you don’t know where you are and by the time you realise, you find you are too old to give it up and you carry on, somehow. It’s like intoxication. All falsehood of the world is an intoxication! Because if it was not intoxicating or hypnotising, why people carry on with it? I mean, to me, I don’t understand: when you know it is falsehood, why should you carry on with it? Of course, you can play with it. That’s a different thing, just to play. Just like children: they build everything. If you tell “Put them on the sand,” they’ll build a big castle and they’ll make a house and they’ll make a cowshed and everything. And [afterwards] just they break everything, take it out, clear out the whole thing. They know it’s just a play they have done it. They are conscious of it. If this consciousness is there, then one should say that such people are seekers. That is the category of seekers, where they are not satisfied with falsehood and they want to find out the Truth. Now the Truth is that the Spirit is within you and you are the Spirit. You are the beauty, the bliss and the joy of that Spirit. That’s what you are. Because your attention is not there that’s why you cannot feel your Spirit. But your Spirit exists, it is within you, in your heart, waiting for a moment to come into your conscious mind, to be felt by you in your central nervous system. It’s all there, built within you. Man in his madness doesn’t realise that God has made him from amoeba to this stage for some purpose. There is a big purpose behind everything, and the purpose is that now you have to know your Spirit by which you enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God. How? What is your passport? Is your Spirit. Because when the Spirit starts shining within you, you start transforming. You start transforming into a new being, into a new personality with a new awareness and you are a different person. Your priorities change. But those who are not really good seekers I would say, may have a three-legged race, as I call that. They’ll be identified with something else. What is a three-legged race? Is that you are tied with one leg to another personality. Now this could be the job, this could be anything else, and you are tied with it and the progress retards, it goes down. The progress in Sahaj Yoga is only possible when your attention is on the Spirit. How do you nourish it? That’s another point. The only solution is collectivity. A person who is not collectively nourished cannot grow. He cannot grow whatever he may try. These are the two very important points of Sahaj Yoga and one has to understand [that] this collectivity is to be grown within you. But what do you become? Actually what do you become after your growth? You become a collective being. So you have to nourish yourself in collectivity. People just don’t understand this simple point that you have to become the Collective Being. And that nourishment, if it is not growing into you, then you are not a Sahaj Yogi at all. You are just having the trip of your ego or your super-ego. And this is very important. By saying you are brothers and sisters and this and that it’s not possible, I know that. It’s wrong. It’s another game. Just like baptism it’s another game to say, “Oh, we are all united together and we are all brothers and sisters and nothing should prevent us from being that.” Socially we can be alright, but politically may not be, or economically we cannot be and all sorts of things can come. But after Realisation, when the Kundalini rises through these seven centres and pierces you through on the Sahasrara, then you start feeling the vibrations, feeling the cool breeze in your hand. This is how your Spirit is talking to you. The rapport is established. You are connected with the Spirit. That’s the sign. If you are not connected then you have to get connected, then we can talk about it. Before you are connected what is there to talk? What is there to say? Supposing this (mic) is not connected, how can I use it? Tell me. Is there any way? It’s so simple as that. Everything is so simple which you people have made so complicated. To me, a simple person, I don’t understand. I mean, it has to be connected or not? Any telephone is to be connected to the mains or not? So the connection has to be there. And once we decide the connection has to be there then what are we doing about it? That we are doing Sahaj Yoga. What is Sahaj Yog? Is the right of every seeker to have this connection with the Divine. This you are doing in your own right, no doubt. There I cannot challenge your right. It’s your right. Say for example, in a government it’s decided that all those people under sixteen must be given £5 each. Alright, as long as is under sixteen you have a right and the government will see to it that they fulfil that promise, isn’t it? In the same way you are promised that, in the modern times, all those who will ask for Realisation will be granted. What a promise to make! Just imagine! And use me for that purpose, or Sahaj Yogis for that purpose. This is being promised in many scriptures, by many incarnations. The time has come and I have to give you Realisation. More and more people have to be given Realisation, all those who ask for it. Of course it cannot be forced onto anyone! This is your right! It is your right to ask for your property but if nobody asks, the government won’t go back on them and tell them, “Now, please have it, we beg of you, we fall at your feet,” and this and that. Do they do that? In the same way, nobody is going to fall at your feet, but if you ask for it, that’s your right, and you can have it. But the difference is that the right is to be exercised in a full way. If you ask a right that, “I want to become the governor of a particular place,” then you should be able to assume that power. In the same way, if you think you have right then you must assume also the power of Spirit within you. You have to keep your attention to your Spirit. Now, the whole system of Spirit is so dynamic and beyond human comprehension that you are suddenly amazed and surprised at it. First of all you are amazed. Then you start thinking, “How can that be so simple? How can that be so easy?” I mean it’s not simple! In the sense that you have been made from amoeba to this stage. Is it a simple thing to do? Can you make one dog into a human being? Or even a horse, which you like very much. Can you? To make so many human beings out of amoeba, isn’t it a difficult thing? And if you are made that, that evolution must have rendered something within you, in that something is built in you. And when it works out it looks simple, but it is not. It has a big background which is being worked out to bring you to this stage, just to know ‘thyself.’ “Know Thyself,” simple words. It’s too simple for human comprehension that’s why it is too difficult. Because they cannot go to simple things. “Know thyself”. What is ‘thyself’? You ask somebody, “Yes, I know myself very well.” “Now, what do you know about yourself?” “I like to go to pubs!” That’s thyself! “I like to become something great.” “I like…” That’s what you know your self? What you like? Or else, “I am afraid.” “I am frightened.” “I don’t believe in this.” “I don’t do this.” “Is this ‘I’ the one you are? Is it?” Then they will say, “I am not sure.” But when you are the Self, that’s absolute and that’s sure-shot that’s what you are. You know this is it. When you talk as a Spirit, you have no doubts, you have no doubt at all, because the absolute is established in you. For example, you take ten Sahaj Yogis, ten small, little children who are Realised-souls, and ask them to face a personality and ask them, “What is the problem with this gentleman?” And immediately they will say that, “This gentleman has got this finger problem or this finger problem.” All of them will say the same, with their closed eyes. Everyone will say the same thing. They’ll not criticise each other, because everybody will feel the same thing. All the children will feel the same thing. You cannot befool children. They’ll say, “Yes, they are catching on this finger!” And you ask the person, “Have you got bronchitis?” He says, “Yes, I have!” Or something like that; even liver, anything which is not even diagnosed by doctors. Not only on physical side, on the emotional side [also] you can say. I met a lady the other day and said, I asked her, “Do you believe in anything?” She said, “I don’t believe in anything whatsoever!” What sort of a thing is that? A personality and a personality I meet, I tell you! One ‘better’ than the other! She said, “Only I believe in myself.” “All right, doesn’t matter! Even then I am agreed that you believe in yourself. But where is your Self? Where is your Self; in what thing do you believe?” When that Self manifests, then you have no questions, you are doubtless, you know this is it. You have no question about anything whatsoever, you know everything. That’s how the vibrations tell you. This is the Spirit that tells you. The Spirit within you tells you. You ask the Spirit, “What is to be done?” You ask any question. For example, I was born in a Christian family and in India people felt very funny that a lady who is supposed to give us our moksha and our Realisation should be a Christian lady because they thought she has to be a Brahmin or something like that. I am a Brahmin in a way because I am a Realised-soul. I have no caste and community, but I am a Realised-soul. So, they asked me a question, “Mother, how is it you were born a Christian?” I said, “Alright, you ask on your vibrations: ‘Is Christ the son of God?’.” Imagine for Hindus and Muslims, to accept this is very difficult. And the vibrations [started flowing], and the most orthodox of Hindus immediately, immediately accepted. For them one advantage is there that they know that the cool breeze is the way you can make out that your Spirit is flowing, that’s the only way. They know, that’s an advantage they have. But they gave up all that, and a revolution came into them! Imagine Hindus of India, who are such orthodox people, have been dominated also by Muslims. Now they take the name of “Allah hu akbar,”! They are trying to know the namaz. They are trying to do the namaz. All this fanaticism is going to be finished, absolutely crushed, as soon as the Spirit starts manifesting itself. Because only truth will be accepted. In the same way, we have Muslim disciples: they have accepted Christ, they have accepted Ganesha, they have accepted everything, because on the vibrations you see the truth is there! Fanatics will also have to come around. But first those who are doubting fanaticism will first of all get it. How can any fanatic be correct? Because they are talking about one God and they are in juxtaposition with each other. How can that be? But it’s so. If you talk to a fanatic, who is an ardent Muslim and an ardent Hindu – they hate each other! They cannot understand how God could create them, the one Person can create both of them. They think they have separate Gods! I don’t know how they carry on with their fanaticism because I can’t understand. But the entire truth about everything can be known through your vibratory awareness! And this vibratory awareness comes to you through your attention which is enlightened by your Spirit. This Spirit resides within us. All the time it knows everything what we do. It’s the one which knows all our feelings, wherever we move. But the same Spirit, when it enlightens our attention, the thing that He’s enjoying, itself, or it is enjoying itself, becomes our experience. Because the Spirit is collectively conscious and we become collectively conscious. Those people who are not collectively conscious are not Sahaj Yogis, they are absolutely just ‘so-called’. First collective consciousness comes in, within us, by feeling the cool breeze blowing through our hands and by feeling all the fingers and feeling all the chakras. Some people don’t feel it in the hands if their Vishuddhi is not alright, but still they can feel within themselves. Like there are devices I feel, as, if the gas fails, then the electricity works out! That also works out in many people. You can feel it within yourself, where is the problem and you can feel the chakras. That’s the first thing happens to you, that you feel the collectivity within you. That you are a collective being you feel. You also feel about yourself, what you are catching, where you are catching. And ultimately, then, you start feeling, nourishing your collectivity. Which is the point very much missed in the individualistic society. Because the whole of the individualistic society is based on competition and there is no competition in Sahaj Yoga. It’s just the other way round. That you nourish on other people. The person who cannot carry on with other Sahaj Yogis is a sure and certain person who is going to get out of this. You have to nourish yourself on collectivity. And once you start doing it, somehow or other, you see, I have seen some people, it clicks with them, sometimes. But with some people I go on telling them, “This way, that way” in so many ways I try to work it out, it never clicks. But with some people it suddenly clicks and they become different people. Everybody then certifies, “Oh, they have become very sweet now.” But some of the people just go on, just like, all the time they are like thorns, and anybody they touch, that person gets a fright. And then that person says, “Alright, I am getting out. I am not talking to anyone, I am not doing this. I am just keeping quiet.” That’s all they can do. They cannot take out that thorn from themselves and can become one, articulate with others. And when this thing happens, one has to know that there’s something wrong. After all, from where are you going to get your nourishment? The Spirit is shining, the sun is shining, but your tree of life has to get your nourishment from collectivity. Once you realise that, it works wonders. It has worked wonders with so many people all over the world. But there’s a greater danger for people, where individualism is regarded as something great, where people think to be individualistic in their attitude towards their selections and choices and the decision-making. For every small thing they will make a decision. Why? What is the advantage? What did you gain by wasting so much energy in decision-making? Whether you’ll have the fish and chips or you’ll have hamburger! What does it mean? Why waste so much energy on that? Where is your attention? All these things, all this attitude is nothing but ego-oriented and is competitive. And also all the medias that are used are just trying to exploit it. Like, they’ll say “If you have a cigar it’s sufficient, you need not have a Rolls-Royce,” or something like that. So you buy a cigar like a madcap. But if they put it in the television then fifty percent [of] people will do it, as if they have no brains to use. It’s a mad world that way. To me, it is not, in a way, because you are seekers. Have you ever seen so many seekers? Seekers of Truth. They are not only claiming, they mean it. I know, they mean it. They are not just claiming. It’s not a fashion with them, they do mean it. And I am really very happy about it that there are seekers, those who are seeking, who are honest and intelligent and who want to know who they are. Today, as I said, we’ll have a short programme. And there’s no end to my speeches. I don’t know how many speeches I have given now, I’ve lost count! This is only just to make your attention a little steady - then the Kundalini rises. Without that happening your attention cannot go inside. Once the happening takes place your attention is pulled in. The whole attention goes inside and it is carried and is brought to this point where it breaks: this is the seat of your Spirit and the seat resides in your heart [at Brahmarandhra]. And you are blessed with your Self-realisation. Now, the growth has to come, that you have to move your awareness towards the Spirit. And when that happens, that your Spirit dominates your awareness, that your awareness becomes the Spirit, then Satchitananda [begins]. ‘Sat’ is the essence of your awareness, is the Truth; through your awareness you know the truth. ‘Chit’ is the attention and ‘anand’ is the Spirit. The essence of the Spirit is joy. All these things become one. That has to happen. Then the growth is much faster. When it is half way round, the growth is less. And the growth is to be felt in your collectivity not in how you organise some things and all that - no! In collectivity. How you feel about the whole world, how you are connected about the whole world. What you are doing about it. Can you work it out for them? Where is your attention? - Again. As soon as you go on your Spirit, you will start worrying about the whole universe. It will happen. The priorities will change, "Oh, I am here, I am the Spirit. And my work is not this. This is useless, this is not meant for me!" And the attention will start going from all mundane, gross things to the spiritual side. But by going there you become so dynamic that all material things will work out just like that. [Shri Mataji clicks Her fingers]. You’ll have no problem with material things, they will work out. Like I’ll tell you that a few examples are like this: You know I am a married woman and I have got grandchildren. I run my house very well and I have a household and mine is a marathon race! I mean, all of you have a relay-race but I have a marathon one. And it works out. But apart from that so many problems are solved. I’ll give you a simple example. Some girls have come from Australia. They told me, related, many problems they have solved. But one of them was very sweet that, there was a lady: she very much wanted to come to India to see me, and she thought her money was not sufficient. Now, money is absolutely material. And the little child, daughter she had, she also wanted to come. And the girl was having a jumble-sale, something. So she collected some of the trinkets here and there and went for a jumble-sale. And they discovered that she had a very expensive bracelet of gold, suddenly, which sold out for the amount of money exactly required for the ticket of the mother and the child. Exactly! Oh, this is nothing. There are many people who have known how materially it works out. For example we have a doctor of physics here (Regis), who was doing his doctorate and he did it for years and years, I don’t remember exactly how many years. And he brought his papers to me, he said, “Mother, I cannot now have anything more done, now I cannot even make it a fair thing. I cannot put it in the bound. And this is how I’m going to now present it. I am fed up. I have finished every single pie (1/192 Rupee) I had.” I said, “All right.” I just did like this to the thing (gave a bandhan). He said, “Are You not going to read?” I said, “No, what is there to read? It’s all right.” You won’t believe - he went next day to see the gentleman and he became a doctor of physics! That’s how materially things work out. Krishna has said it, “Yoga kshema vahamyaham.” Yoga, when you get your yoga, when you are connected with God, then He looks after your kshema, your well-being. This is so simple to understand. There’s another very simple truth one should understand that, if we are not connected with Him, how can He look after us? We have to be connected with Him: so we know His desires, we know His ways, we know how to please Him, we know what to do and so we can ask for what we want. You don’t even have to ask! You’ll be surprised how things work out for you, how family relations improve, social relations improve, economic relations improve. All these things are on your centres. And as the Kundalini rises, she starts spreading sideways also and you start getting the effect. The first you get is the material and the physical, and that’s how you know how we have cured people of cancer and things, just like that! (Shri Mataji snaps Her fingers) People don’t understand how we have done it but we have. Because Spirit is the dynamism within us, it is THE thing. Like one diamond which is put in a ring and embedded in the soil, saved permanently, just to keep it out of problems, is suddenly discovered. And that’s why it is all we seek. The basis of all our existence is nothing but our Spirit. That’s the basis, that’s the adhara, that’s the support. And to us it should be a special blessing for our Lord, Jesus Christ, was the embodiment of that Spirit. He came on this earth just to show you the way of your resurrection. It’s a special blessing to us. But Him also we have made it into a fanatic stuff. We are ‘great’ people! Give anything to human beings and they know how to make a good mess out of it. That’s what I have discovered. He was crucified; that was all right, because He cannot be crucified, He cannot be killed, that I know. But the way now He is clouded and how He is plucked out of reality and put into something false, sometimes it’s so shocking, frustrating and so humiliating that you can’t imagine. Whatever done is done. The quality of Spirit is forgiveness. The symbol of Spirit is Christ. And the power He has given us is to forgive, because He has that power to forgive. He’s the power of forgiveness. He is the ocean of forgiveness. So, He’s so powerful that He cleanses you through forgiveness. Just by forgiving you He cleanses you. And that’s how it works out. So you should not try to build a guilt in your mind. That’s the only thing most of the Christians do, is to sit down and build a guilt by spoiling this part of the chakra here. It’s amazing how it has come to us, this guilt. Perhaps the psychologists or confessions, I don’t know what it has been! They are guilty in imagination. And that part is very sad. That does not help. You are not to be guilty. You are the Spirit! What crime Spirit can do? Nothing! Only you have to get out of it, to become that. That’s what we are going to have. And let us work it out. We have some new people over here. I am sure it is going to work out. But for all the new people now, I have to say one thing, that Sahaja Yoga is not a thing you just go for a programme and get out. It’s dangerous if you get your Realisation and still you do not recognise Sahaja Yoga, it will be very difficult for you to come back to Sahaja Yoga. So, please understand that, if you have found the way, do not lose it. Try to follow it. I have nothing to gain from you. It is you who has to gain; that’s your right. You better have it. May God bless you all. About these chakras and all that: we’ve got some papers, which you can see yourself and read and you can understand. It's there? So, let us, put your hands like this and we’ll work it out. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Are you? Good. Today I’m talking about! Absolutely about this awareness. This is not on faith. You’ll get it. It’s working out. You’ll get it. Can you see that? It’s working out. (Gavin and Bala make a brief speech each to congratulate Sir CP on his re-election) Sir C.P.: Dear Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoginis, I am very, very grateful for all the kind words that have just been spoken about me. And I am truly delighted that you find it a source of happiness that my wife will stay on here for another five years. I now see how many good wishes there were and those who wanted to wish. I am sure it’s because of your will and your desire that my wife should stay on here and they helped me! I want to thank you very much for this, this evening. It’s a great pleasure and privilege to be with you. And I say this because you represent the fulfilment in some ways, of the dreams and ambitions of my wife. She has been wanting it many years to spread her message and the only person, as a student, who was available was myself. I can assure you that She will be here, She will be with you and She will be with ?? and with family that you are building up, all I can say, may you work like a treat and this world become a better place to live in. May all [unclear] …that we are all brothers and sisters on this day, whatever the colour of our skin. And whatever [muffled]. Thank you all very much for this. Shri Mataji: To hear everything, I don’t know what to say. I must say that, if this kind of a thing starts working out in the whole world, then people will take to Sahaj Yoga, because they will think that there has to be a sustaining power. You see, as a seed grows who has to come up and that’s the very thing that happens to you. And always you get this working organisation in the office also. They had the same feeling of a family which works wonders also. So even before Realisation, people can break through everything, and why not after Realisation? Thank you very much. All of you are very happy.
11/13/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6699	What Makes People Happy?	England	London	Draft	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	43	What Makes People Happy?, Public Program. Stratford (UK), 13 November 1980. I have already told you how it works out. Now what are you living for, you have to think about. Is it just for earning money, earning more, putting some money in the bank, or for insurance? Are you working for that? If money was everything, then you will have been the happiest people here because even if you are not working, you can get money in England, no problem. But that's not the last thing. Those people who have less money could be much happier than the people who have money. Sometimes money can give you a headache, you see, and a kind of a intoxication. Then what is it that makes human beings happy? When I walk on the streets, say in the West End if I walk, I find the people in West End are not at all happy, while in East End they are happier people, no doubt, because perhaps they know how to live with little less than what is required, and all the West End people want to always have more and more than what they require. Perhaps they are more worried how to get more things. East End I've been always visiting and somehow I have a great faith that here in East End one day it will come that lots of seekers will be born in this part. As it is, I feel that human beings do not know one fundamental truth, that you are not determined. You are not the sum, for your physical, mental, emotional life, but you are designed for spiritual. The whole design of the human being is created to enjoy your spiritual life, and not material life. This is the basic, basic thing human beings don't understand, and that's why, if they knew this fundamental thing, they would seek their spirit first, and they would not seek other things, because if that is the thing which is going to give us the complete enrichment and nourishment, and also the fulfillment, then why run after the things which do not determine our life? All physicals - for example, this building we built, all right? Now, this building we built with stones and, say, mortars and other things, and electricity is put in, the lights are brought in, and the whole design is made. But why? Because there is a subtle purpose behind this building. If that purpose is not there, this building is useless. It will be just a haunting place. There would be no-one visiting this place if there is no spiritual life, if there is no spirit behind it. The purpose, the spirit, is the purpose. The purpose of human life is the spirit, and not the purpose that we seek. Now what we do actually with ourselves is that when the purpose is the spirit, all of our energy we are wasting for something that is purposeless. Like, somebody who was interested only in counting these pillars, what will you call him? Or who will start counting these nice fittings, what do you call such a man? That, this is not the thing you are supposed to do here. What are you supposed to do here is to come for the purpose for which this building is built. So, if you understand this fundamental thing, that the purpose of human being is spiritual, the whole universe is created to create human beings, for what? To be a part of these stones and the mortars? It is to become that spirit which is within you. So, once you understand our purpose, then we can talk about it. Now, you may say that, "How do You say that it is the spirit?". That is the most important. What is the proof, you see. All the scientists may say that, "What is the proof of it?". Now with all your science, with all your advancement and all that so-called affluence and all that human beings are so egoistically boasting about, I have yet to see people who are really happy in that. They are not happy. Is a very simple thing. I mean, you reach a certain conclusion then, that what you have done is not the purpose. If that was the purpose, there would have been proof in it. That shows that that is not the purpose of your coming on this earth. For example, somebody says, "All right, I want to have lots of money, lots of power and lots of enjoyment". But if you go and see the face, face of that person, it looks like somebody who is worn out, who is absolutely like a dead personality. There's no joy on his face. He is not enjoying himself. See, the richest man on the earth, go and ask him. He'll say, "I've a headache. I don't know what to do with myself". All those people like that lady, wife of, say, Kennedy, just look at her. She's every time, whenever she has an interview, what she says is her hankering, her unfulfilled desires. She's taking about that. You see, Mr Ford who was a very great man, with lots of money, you go and ask him and he says that he doesn't know what to do with his money, that's all. So, once you understand from this that the purpose of the building of human being is not the body, the mind, is not even the emotions; it is something beyond, which you cannot see. By coming here, you do not see the purpose of this building, do you? What you see exactly are these pillars or these walls or these roofs. But do you see the purpose of this building here? No. But is written somewhere, this is the purpose of this building. Once you see the purpose of this building, written somewhere, by some authority - has to be an authority - then you understand why you are here, and what purpose it is going to serve, and how you are going to work it out. So, once you know that the purpose of our existence as human beings is the spirit, the whole thing has been worked out on this principle that you are going to be the spirit. You are created for that. Everything, everything that you do is for the purpose of the spirit, and not for anything else. There are so many ways by which you understand that the purpose of your existence, that determines your existence, is that. For example, we have had people on this earth who talked of spirit. They said, "You have to be born again to be the spirit". They have talked, not only Christ, not only in India, not only in China. Everywhere we have been having people who have been saying that you have to know your spirit. You have to have your self-realization. You are to be born again. Everyone is saying that. It's not only that I say it, but every one of them are saying. Now, those who were fake people, those who came for a short time, those who try to put the attention on something else, were found out in no time. For example, Rasputin; he came in. He talked of lots of things. He is lost. Now nobody bothers about Rasputin. Then came, say, for example, Hitler. He came. People were enamored by him. Oh, Hitler is great. The whole nation was enamored. All the nations at that time were talking of Hitler, thinking he was very powerful. When he died, people are saying he was a very, very cruel and a brutal person. He was satanic. So there were these [unclear: brands or plans], and these characters, or this type of people who came on this earth who were anti-spirit. Those who did not talk of the spirit died out, and though you may have [unclear: sounds like read] their statues or do anything, but nobody goes and bows to it. Nobody is bothered to know about it. They are finished. Nobody thinks that they were great or that they were of any use, or they are to be revered. So, a human being doesn't revere all such people. Now, we have so many statues in India. We have seen them. So many statues are there. Will you go and prostrate before them? You do not. We do not think that that is the worth of these big [unclear: statue or statues]. Once I went to see a very big castle in India, in Agra, which is a very famous castle, and this castle was occupied by very, very big emperors, Mogul emperors who lived there, who built it, and they had huge, big [unclear: retina or retinue] of servants, and other lords and all that used to come there and big, huge halls, beautifully made with all kinds of mirror work and what you call, the embroidered things and [unclear: also or all so] beautifully carved. Every sort of an art was there, working, worked out, and which had made it look very beautiful and nice. And we all went there to see it as a tourist place and everybody goes there to see that. And it so happened that we had a guide who was telling us and it became very late in the night, and it became absolutely dark, and we lost our way a little, and there was no light anywhere. It was all dark, completely dark, and we had to find our way out, and I felt the whole place is just haunted. There is no-one, there is no-one who is, who is existing in that place, as if it was a dead place, and the whole place showed Me how these people were there living in all lavishness, drinking, indulging into all kinds of vices, and very egoistical and arrogant and talking to each other with such arrogance. I felt all that they were there and all in the dead, and nobody felt that there should be one light in that area. Not even a single light. And somehow we managed, you see, to crawl out, and then we saw a little light flickering from outside. So, we went up to that light and we saw it was a little light was coming through a door that was closed, and we opened the door and we thought we were out. We knew that we were outside of the castle. And that light was on a grave and we saw that there was a man near the grave. So, we asked, "Whose grave is this?". He said, "He was a Fakir. He was a realized soul and he was a great Fakir and this has been here much before this castle was built, and every night we put the light. All the time there is light for him on this". And the name of the thing was, also he was so ancient that he did not properly know the name of that Fakir. And I said, "The vibrations of that place was tremendous [unclear]". And they said that people just come here and touch this, and their problems are solved. And it's such a beautiful place. It was desolate in a way that it was not so decorated as it was, but in the night, it was light. That shows that which is the place which has an eternal value, is the purpose, purpose of life, and the purpose of life is spirit, and that I could see there. Just in a very small little corner outside that castle was that grave of a man who may have been a very small tiny miny person, the way the grave was, and here is the light, burning. For ages now, nobody knows; but there is the light. There are so many other ways that by which human beings have to realize that it is the spirit that we have to achieve. We are made for the spirit and not for the other things so-called more [unclear]. All the universe and universes were created only for creating the human being, who would ultimately know his spirit. They are now going to the Saturn, and then going on to the moon, and they will go to all the places. But what about going to your own spirit? When are you going to go there, which is your purpose? Is it your purpose to go to the Saturn? What are you going to get out of it? They are spending such a lot of money and so much they are launching and all that. I just laugh at them. What about seeking your self, which has been told by so many people. These are the people who are truthful, who have shown us the true path of truth, and they have told us we have to seek your self. They were not lying us. They were not telling us false thing. But what I find, when their disciples come in, when they're - I mean, you see, the people who are their followers, they come in, what they do is to start a kind of a cult, or a kind of a so-called religion, which stops the seeking first of all. The first thing they do is to freeze your seeking completely. I mean, I can't understand. For example, Christ has said, "Seek ye your self. You are to be born again." I mean, He said it off and on and off and on. And I would like to know, which church does that? Same about Indians. In India, this thing - I mean, if you read any book which is scripture they say that you have to seek your self. You have to get your Atma sakshatkar, means your self-realization. That's the aim of it. But what they do is the so-called Brahmins and so-called people in charge of so-called Hindu religion are teaching nothing but ritualism, some sort of a nonsense which has no meaning. Same about Islam. You can see the fanatics, terrible fanatics coming out of it. How can religion be a fanaticism? I just can't understand at this level of mind, but I do not know how to explain. You see, for Hindus, their gods are the highest; for Muslims, Mohammed is the last; for Christians, Christ is the only One. I just can't understand how can they say such a nonsensical thing. From where did they get these [unclear: idea or ideas]? Just to fight with each other. They must find out some way. And I think the reason must be that people always unite if you have to hate someone. If you are to love someone, then people never unite. So, it's better to say that, "This is the best", so that the rest is all nonsensical, and you take something like the best and hold on to it and just start to propound it as, "This is the best. This is the best," and that's how you will organize it. But all of them are the best. Which part of your body is not the best? They are all flowers of the same tree, and, why, we are just plucking them and holding on to them and saying, "This is the best, and that is the best, and the one you have got in your hand is a dead flower". The living force is in the Tree, in the Tree of Life, which is described. Where is the seeking gone? The seeking is lost, because such a clamp has come. Now when a man has started thinking, he starts thinking, "Oh. God! These people! They talk of God; and look at them, how they are. They are so money minded. They try to own the properties, this, that. How are, where is the spirit?". And so they go against, and they think, "Oh, this is all nonsense". They cannot respect, you see. So, a new type of people have started saying, "There is no God. There is no spirit. It's all nonsense. These people are just trying to make money out of us. They are parasites. So, forget them". Both are equally wrong. There is God. There is spirit within us, and the time has come for us to know the spirit. This is what I've come to tell you here. Of course, some of you have been with Me for days together, as Maureen has said, that she has found something. What has she found? This, her spirit. She, like many other young people, have been really of the category of seekers. There are real human beings who are seeking. I mean, they are born like that. They are seekers. They are not seekers of anything else but of spirit. Perhaps they do not know, but they are that category, that they are seekers. Even if they take to drugs or to anything, they do it for the sake of seeking. And there are many, many young people in every country. We had one from Algeria, a young fellow, who came down here and got his realization. He went back and told about five hundred young people, who were very well-educated and all that. He told that there is a spirit within us. Because they had denounced, all these young people had denied. They said, "Look at these mullahs. What are they doing? They are teaching us fanaticism. They are teaching us destruction. How can there be God? How can there be Mohammed and all that? It's all nonsense. We don't believe in religion." And they had taken to communism. Some of them have become so violent, and there could have been anything like a national front sort of nonsense or some sort of a thing like that. And these people, when they heard him saying that, "There is the spirit. There is the God and you have to find him", they were amazed because this boy was a aeronautic engineer and they were surprised how could he say such a thing. They turned round and they also found. That is how all these differences are going to vanish, because spirit is the universal being within us. We become the spirit. It's the question of becoming, not just giving you a sermon, calling you, "Here. All right, come and confess and then take one bread and finished." It's something that really has to happen within you. Now, as I said, the whole construction has been done with the full understanding that you have to become the spirit. So, don't you think that even human beings who are quite confused, when they build something they never forget the purpose of the building? The whole universe and this earth that produced human beings, the whole creation, has been for the purpose of making you know your spirit. Do you mean to say that all is going to fail? That it has not worked, nothing within us, that it is you who are going to see, and you are the one who are going to sort of oblige God by seeking Him? Is it that He has not made all the [unclear] arrangements within you by which you get it yourself? After all, He has made you a human being. Or you have made yourself. I mean, you don't see any man making himself a human being out of a monkey. He has made you a human being, and He is going to make you something higher. You cannot put in any effort into it. As Maureen has said, that we understand only physical yoga. I don't know from where this nonsense has come in the west that yoga means only physical exercises. I mean, I don't know if people in the west are going to join a circus or some sort of a cinema show, that they are all the time busy doing all these acrobatic, useless things thinking that they are going to reach God. This is to be understood that through physical being you are not going to meet Him. Many people have an idea that if you give some money to someone you can, you can get God. Many people are like that. There are so many foolish people. Even in England, there was a guru who said that, "If you give me a Rolls Royce I'll come from America", and there are such stupid and mad people that they starved themselves and got a Rolls Royce for him. He has already fifty-eight. They bought one more for him, and he came down here and they gave him the Rolls Royce. And when people said, "What's this nonsense going on? Why should you give him these Rolls Royce to get the spirit?" She said, "He gives us spirit and we give him just a metal. Now, can you exchange?". For example, now, you have built this house with all these things. By building all these things, did you feel the purpose? First, you have to have the purpose. You have to create the whole building, and then achieve the purpose. That is the way the pattern of the whole condition is. First, is the spirit; then the whole body and all that is created. Through your attention, you have to know the spirit. It is that way you are created, and the whole pattern is made inside your being, which is placed in the spinal cord of a human being, which shows how he has evolved, and all that is not here to show you, but these people can give you some charts and things for the new people who are here, and most of you know all about it. You share a story. But now, the trouble I find with human beings is that it is very difficult to convince them. I mean, they want to be convinced. For what? I just don't understand. What do you want to be convinced about? You are not paying any money here. There's no shop to convince them. It's like they think I should tell them, "This sells better", or, "That sells better". [unclear: sounds like This] you have to ask for it. That's the vicious circle. They don't want to ask for it. They think I should fall at their feet and say, "Oh, please take your self-realization." We cannot understand something that is beyond, beyond your power to achieve. So, once you know that, then you have to ask, isn't it? Supposing there's a rich man. Well, this may, people may understand, a very gross example. Supposing there's a very rich man and that there's a man who is not rich. Now, he goes to this very, very rich man and he, he wants the rich man to convince the very ordinary man. For what? The, the other fellow wants some money. Now, what should he convince them? I mean, if you want to have the money, then it is you who has to ask for it, isn't it? Or the person has to convince you: "Oh, please take the money. I beg of you. Please take it. I love to give you money." Do they do like this? In a very gross way, but you understand, while the person who is spiritually enjoying does want some, but it wants that everybody should enjoy. Because he's not a moneyed man; he is a person with compassion and love. So, because of the compassion and love that he has - he has or she has - the enjoyment is not complete unless and until you give it, and that's why such a person wants to share. The difference between a moneyed man and a person who is spiritually very much endowed is this, that one wants to share and give, and without sharing he is [unclear]. It wants to create a way of sharing, and that is the reason why such a person may sound convincing. But actually, it is you who has to ask. You have to ask. Now, there are so many ways by which one can try to convince, and that conviction is this, that you see with your naked eye the pulsation of the Kundalini. Some of you who have come very recently may not have seen, but all of you, those who are been with me now, have seen the pulsation of the Kundalini in the triangular bone. They have seen this power, this residual power, pulsating, with their own eyes. They have seen the pulsation rising. They have seen the pulsation entering into the fontanel bone area, and they have seen the baptism acting in the actual, real living way, that this portion becomes really soft, and then you start getting the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost flowing from here. This is what should happen to us. Without that, all, everything that we have done, all God has created, is all a waste; it's useless; it has no meaning. It's foolish, stupid, I feel sometimes, the way people are wasting their time and wasting [unclear: sounds like their energy]. Once you get that, once you get to that, then the rest of thing works out, beautifully. So [unclear: sounds like a place]. I will give you another example of a Prime Minister who died [unclear: sounds like in India] and somehow I happened to be with them because my husband was his Secretary. So, I, we went through the whole thing, and in India the custom is to put all the remains in a big pot, and they take it around. So, because he was Prime Minister they put that in a very nice, big jar, or you can say, the water carriers, huge big, two water carriers made of nice metal, and inside was put all the remains of the Prime Minister. Now, the train had to go from Delhi to Benares, to immerse that in the River Ganges. On the way, it was quite dark and it was very, very cold. It was the month of January or February - February, it was - when we were passing through that cold weather, and the people were standing on the road. I mean, we should say, they allowed the railway lines throughout. Imagine! Throughout Delhi to Benares, at least must be, it is at least six hundred miles or so. Not a single place was there where there were people who were not standing, to see what? He was not there. Nothing. They could only see those vessels. That's all they could see. I mean, there was nothing to be seen, but they were all lined up and they were also coming and falling to grab those two vessels that were there. There was nothing else. His remains were also inside, but they were going to that vessel that they could see, because inside was the purpose of it. Now, when we went to Benares the thing was all immersed into the River Ganges. The thing was washed with that water and everything was cleansed out and they took out these two big water carriers, these vessels, outside. And then I was amazed to see that they were pushed on one side. They were lying somewhere and there were two bhoots were standing on top of them and nobody even noticed where they were lying. Nobody bothered. It had no purpose any more. It's finished. It's done. Nobody is bothered, where they're lying, what they are doing. Nobody's bothered. On the way, imagine! On the six hundred miles, it was completely covered the whole night, people were standing even with lanterns, to see that, just to pay homage, to what? But the purpose? There is a spirit within us, which understands the spirit of that. Once that is lost, it's not to be seen. Nobody's bothered about it. Nobody even looked at it and there were bhoots standing on top; they were under the bellies of the bhoots there. I just [unclear]. I said, "Look at this. It has lost its purpose. It has no [unclear]". Are we leading our life the same? We have to find. Are we leading our life without any purpose? But once the purpose is found out then the whole universe starts working because you are designed for it. So, the whole universe starts working for that design, and then you get the blessings of various type. Every type of blessing, and that is what you choose. Then you do not become over-rich, no. That's not the blessing, but you become as rich as should be very satisfying to the spirit. Then you become more satisfied and the problems are solved. Every sort of problems are solved. But so many Sahaja Yogis feel that Sahaja Yoga is for solving problems, all which are of a very mundane nature. Sahaja Yoga is for giving you spiritual light. Is not for solving your problems, but as a result the problems are solved. As a result you get all right. Your health improves, of course. You give up all your bad habits and all that [unclear: habits or happens]. I mean, it's a tremendous thing, and all the transformation starts flowing. It just works out that way because, see, tomorrow this place can be absolutely vacant. Nobody could be here. It's useless. There's no lights, nothing, nothing. But then the purpose is, supposing of this, to have a meeting. Everything goes up. Lights go up. Everything's spread out, everything clean, everything organized. In the same way, once you have your purpose established, everything that is topsy-turvy, in confusion, this way or that way, gets into its proper shapes and you get transformed. Now, there are many people like Maureen who are here, who were all lost people. I should say, really lost. And they found their way. But to them, also, they must understand that the spirit is the most important. Not the other things, that all our problems should be solved if you are with the spirit. You see, people start, you see, so many people get jobs; they get money; they get lots of success in many things; they get married; they get children; they have blessings, this, that. But still, they don't understand. This is happening because you have become one with the Divine. The Divine is giving you blessings. Still, they do not understand that. That is the thing. Immediately, if supposing some still goes wrong with someone or something: "Oh, look at this Sahaja Yoga. With Sahaja Yoga, it has gone wrong", because after some time your testing starts. The spirit starts testing. It gives you certain temptations. You have seen, even Christ had to go through, who was spirit Himself. He had to go through the temptations of the Satan. So, the temptations come in to see how far you go. Then people start saying, "Oh, look at this. This is going wrong with Sahaja Yoga; this is going wrong with Sahaja Yoga." According to some of you, even Sahaja Yogis, who are just half-way baked, I would say - they are not yet fully mature - they want a ship to be built, beautifully, then to be launched. But the sea has to be absolutely smooth, you see, absolutely smooth, and the ship should just go balancing. It should not face the sea. Then how do you prove it is seaworthy? The seaworthy ship has to have the facing power, of all kinds of storms. Here, you are not to see the storms; you have to see the quality of the ship. You have to find out what is the quality of the ship that is being now evolved, transformed. Is it facing? And that's why people fail in Sahaja Yoga, also. Of course, with this being the real thing, it has to be very few. [unclear: Today or Then] we went to the market to buy some things, and even woolen, real woolen clothes were very few. So, I thought something is happening even when Sahaja Yoga the same way. It's been too real. It starts. It's few. I started with, I think, six people only. One of them was Maureen or four, yes. Then I started working it out, and now you have seen in East End how many people have come. But these one or two, whatever this is the number, is going to start, and once it starts, because it's a living thing, if they work it out with that understanding that you are for your spirit, they will start working it out within themselves. Then they would like to share it with others. Once they start sharing, it starts expanding and increasing and improving, because that is the purpose. What is the purpose of this [unclear: Kali Yuga or Kundalini] is to get enlightened. Once it is enlightened, then what does it do? Nothing. It does the purpose. It gives you the light. Finished! Then the purpose is filled and there's no more seeking. It just gives the light, and that is what it is. But the trouble is, human beings have really, some of them have really spoilt their being quite a lot, within themselves. Through the tensions of life, through the whole ideas about life, through their old indulgences, I would say, through ignorance, following wrong type of people, filthy things, going to wrong sorts of life, there are problems within. Doesn't matter. When the light is there you see the problems very clearly, and you know also how to cure them and [unclear]. But remember, you have to be the spirit. That's the main part of it. So, gradually, the spirit itself shows through your collective happening, that you become collectively conscious. The thing starts flowing in you and you start feeling on your fingers where are the problems and these are decoded nicely in Sahaja Yoga, and you know that, if this is catching, then that is, means you have ego. Now, if you have ego, what to do, how to get rid of it, what to say, is, you know, how to work it out. Now, ego is something. Normally, if you say to somebody, "You have ego", he'll give you another punch to prove that he has a big one. But the Sahaja Yogis are different type. They'll tell you, they come and tell Me, "Mother, please take away this colossal ego I have, this [unclear], because you start seeing it as a separate thing. You do not think that you are ego. You say, "Oh, this terrible thing, please take out", or, "This I don't want". So, this Mister Ego vanishes, but in the beginning be careful; don't tell anybody you have ego. We have other names, you see, code names for that. Otherwise, you will be punched, you see, very nicely and have a black eye. Needs to be careful. Gradually the same people when they improve, they start finding out about others. And there are ways, you see, nice, with the Sanskrit. You see it's a very good way that the Sanskrit words are there, so that nobody knows what's the reason [unclear], how you cure the people without they knowing about it. It just works out, you see. Like children, if you have to give them castor oil, you put a coat on that and you can manage it. It's like that. So, it works out. It changes you completely, transforms; it has to transform you. After all, it's such a dynamic thing. Now, there's no end to it. I would say that just now only thing you should ask for is realization. Get it; work it out, but just don't slip. It's not like going to Hamstrich, shopping, something, and then throwing it somewhere and getting another thing. It's not a fashion or anything. It's a steady stream of spiritual life which you should have. Without that, nothing is important. Everything is a waste. It's a wasteland, and if you have to understand the meaning of your being there, you have to get your self-realization; you have to get it. First, the people who are ardently seeking will get it, not the people who are not seeking. Those who are seeking other things, might get. Some people who are sick might get well, finished. Some people who are seeking, say, mental or physical, will be all right, finished. But, those who are seeking the spirit will get permanently everything else, plus the blessings of the spirit, which is your purpose [unclear]. May God bless you. [unclear] So now, those who are new for the first time, please raise your hands. Come on out. You have been here with me before. Daughter, one, two, you have been, yes, three. Now, and we have all of them are realized souls. Can you imagine? It's good thing, very good. [unclear] Just put your hands like this. Just like this. Put your both [unclear: your or the] feet straight on the Mother Earth. Just like that. Now. [Long silence] Close your eyes. Please close them. All of you, close your eyes.	null	null	null	What Makes People Happy?, Public Program. Stratford (UK), 13 November 1980. I have already told you how it works out. Now what are you living for, you have to think about. Is it just for earning money, earning more, putting some money in the bank, or for insurance? Are you working for that? If money was everything, then you will have been the happiest people here because even if you are not working, you can get money in England, no problem. But that's not the last thing. Those people who have less money could be much happier than the people who have money. Sometimes money can give you a headache, you see, and a kind of a intoxication. Then what is it that makes human beings happy? When I walk on the streets, say in the West End if I walk, I find the people in West End are not at all happy, while in East End they are happier people, no doubt, because perhaps they know how to live with little less than what is required, and all the West End people want to always have more and more than what they require. Perhaps they are more worried how to get more things. East End I've been always visiting and somehow I have a great faith that here in East End one day it will come that lots of seekers will be born in this part. As it is, I feel that human beings do not know one fundamental truth, that you are not determined. You are not the sum, for your physical, mental, emotional life, but you are designed for spiritual. The whole design of the human being is created to enjoy your spiritual life, and not material life. This is the basic, basic thing human beings don't understand, and that's why, if they knew this fundamental thing, they would seek their spirit first, and they would not seek other things, because if that is the thing which is going to give us the complete enrichment and nourishment, and also the fulfillment, then why run after the things which do not determine our life? All physicals - for example, this building we built, all right? Now, this building we built with stones and, say, mortars and other things, and electricity is put in, the lights are brought in, and the whole design is made. But why? Because there is a subtle purpose behind this building. If that purpose is not there, this building is useless. It will be just a haunting place. There would be no-one visiting this place if there is no spiritual life, if there is no spirit behind it. The purpose, the spirit, is the purpose. The purpose of human life is the spirit, and not the purpose that we seek. Now what we do actually with ourselves is that when the purpose is the spirit, all of our energy we are wasting for something that is purposeless. Like, somebody who was interested only in counting these pillars, what will you call him? Or who will start counting these nice fittings, what do you call such a man? That, this is not the thing you are supposed to do here. What are you supposed to do here is to come for the purpose for which this building is built. So, if you understand this fundamental thing, that the purpose of human being is spiritual, the whole universe is created to create human beings, for what? To be a part of these stones and the mortars? It is to become that spirit which is within you. So, once you understand our purpose, then we can talk about it. Now, you may say that, "How do You say that it is the spirit?". That is the most important. What is the proof, you see. All the scientists may say that, "What is the proof of it?". Now with all your science, with all your advancement and all that so-called affluence and all that human beings are so egoistically boasting about, I have yet to see people who are really happy in that. They are not happy. Is a very simple thing. I mean, you reach a certain conclusion then, that what you have done is not the purpose. If that was the purpose, there would have been proof in it. That shows that that is not the purpose of your coming on this earth. For example, somebody says, "All right, I want to have lots of money, lots of power and lots of enjoyment". But if you go and see the face, face of that person, it looks like somebody who is worn out, who is absolutely like a dead personality. There's no joy on his face. He is not enjoying himself. See, the richest man on the earth, go and ask him. He'll say, "I've a headache. I don't know what to do with myself". All those people like that lady, wife of, say, Kennedy, just look at her. She's every time, whenever she has an interview, what she says is her hankering, her unfulfilled desires. She's taking about that. You see, Mr Ford who was a very great man, with lots of money, you go and ask him and he says that he doesn't know what to do with his money, that's all. So, once you understand from this that the purpose of the building of human being is not the body, the mind, is not even the emotions; it is something beyond, which you cannot see. By coming here, you do not see the purpose of this building, do you? What you see exactly are these pillars or these walls or these roofs. But do you see the purpose of this building here? No. But is written somewhere, this is the purpose of this building. Once you see the purpose of this building, written somewhere, by some authority - has to be an authority - then you understand why you are here, and what purpose it is going to serve, and how you are going to work it out. So, once you know that the purpose of our existence as human beings is the spirit, the whole thing has been worked out on this principle that you are going to be the spirit. You are created for that. Everything, everything that you do is for the purpose of the spirit, and not for anything else. There are so many ways by which you understand that the purpose of your existence, that determines your existence, is that. For example, we have had people on this earth who talked of spirit. They said, "You have to be born again to be the spirit". They have talked, not only Christ, not only in India, not only in China. Everywhere we have been having people who have been saying that you have to know your spirit. You have to have your self-realization. You are to be born again. Everyone is saying that. It's not only that I say it, but every one of them are saying. Now, those who were fake people, those who came for a short time, those who try to put the attention on something else, were found out in no time. For example, Rasputin; he came in. He talked of lots of things. He is lost. Now nobody bothers about Rasputin. Then came, say, for example, Hitler. He came. People were enamored by him. Oh, Hitler is great. The whole nation was enamored. All the nations at that time were talking of Hitler, thinking he was very powerful. When he died, people are saying he was a very, very cruel and a brutal person. He was satanic. So there were these [unclear: brands or plans], and these characters, or this type of people who came on this earth who were anti-spirit. Those who did not talk of the spirit died out, and though you may have [unclear: sounds like read] their statues or do anything, but nobody goes and bows to it. Nobody is bothered to know about it. They are finished. Nobody thinks that they were great or that they were of any use, or they are to be revered. So, a human being doesn't revere all such people. Now, we have so many statues in India. We have seen them. So many statues are there. Will you go and prostrate before them? You do not. We do not think that that is the worth of these big [unclear: statue or statues]. Once I went to see a very big castle in India, in Agra, which is a very famous castle, and this castle was occupied by very, very big emperors, Mogul emperors who lived there, who built it, and they had huge, big [unclear: retina or retinue] of servants, and other lords and all that used to come there and big, huge halls, beautifully made with all kinds of mirror work and what you call, the embroidered things and [unclear: also or all so] beautifully carved. Every sort of an art was there, working, worked out, and which had made it look very beautiful and nice. And we all went there to see it as a tourist place and everybody goes there to see that. And it so happened that we had a guide who was telling us and it became very late in the night, and it became absolutely dark, and we lost our way a little, and there was no light anywhere. It was all dark, completely dark, and we had to find our way out, and I felt the whole place is just haunted. There is no-one, there is no-one who is, who is existing in that place, as if it was a dead place, and the whole place showed Me how these people were there living in all lavishness, drinking, indulging into all kinds of vices, and very egoistical and arrogant and talking to each other with such arrogance. I felt all that they were there and all in the dead, and nobody felt that there should be one light in that area. Not even a single light. And somehow we managed, you see, to crawl out, and then we saw a little light flickering from outside. So, we went up to that light and we saw it was a little light was coming through a door that was closed, and we opened the door and we thought we were out. We knew that we were outside of the castle. And that light was on a grave and we saw that there was a man near the grave. So, we asked, "Whose grave is this?". He said, "He was a Fakir. He was a realized soul and he was a great Fakir and this has been here much before this castle was built, and every night we put the light. All the time there is light for him on this". And the name of the thing was, also he was so ancient that he did not properly know the name of that Fakir. And I said, "The vibrations of that place was tremendous [unclear]". And they said that people just come here and touch this, and their problems are solved. And it's such a beautiful place. It was desolate in a way that it was not so decorated as it was, but in the night, it was light. That shows that which is the place which has an eternal value, is the purpose, purpose of life, and the purpose of life is spirit, and that I could see there. Just in a very small little corner outside that castle was that grave of a man who may have been a very small tiny miny person, the way the grave was, and here is the light, burning. For ages now, nobody knows; but there is the light. There are so many other ways that by which human beings have to realize that it is the spirit that we have to achieve. We are made for the spirit and not for the other things so-called more [unclear]. All the universe and universes were created only for creating the human being, who would ultimately know his spirit. They are now going to the Saturn, and then going on to the moon, and they will go to all the places. But what about going to your own spirit? When are you going to go there, which is your purpose? Is it your purpose to go to the Saturn? What are you going to get out of it? They are spending such a lot of money and so much they are launching and all that. I just laugh at them. What about seeking your self, which has been told by so many people. These are the people who are truthful, who have shown us the true path of truth, and they have told us we have to seek your self. They were not lying us. They were not telling us false thing. But what I find, when their disciples come in, when they're - I mean, you see, the people who are their followers, they come in, what they do is to start a kind of a cult, or a kind of a so-called religion, which stops the seeking first of all. The first thing they do is to freeze your seeking completely. I mean, I can't understand. For example, Christ has said, "Seek ye your self. You are to be born again." I mean, He said it off and on and off and on. And I would like to know, which church does that? Same about Indians. In India, this thing - I mean, if you read any book which is scripture they say that you have to seek your self. You have to get your Atma sakshatkar, means your self-realization. That's the aim of it. But what they do is the so-called Brahmins and so-called people in charge of so-called Hindu religion are teaching nothing but ritualism, some sort of a nonsense which has no meaning. Same about Islam. You can see the fanatics, terrible fanatics coming out of it. How can religion be a fanaticism? I just can't understand at this level of mind, but I do not know how to explain. You see, for Hindus, their gods are the highest; for Muslims, Mohammed is the last; for Christians, Christ is the only One. I just can't understand how can they say such a nonsensical thing. From where did they get these [unclear: idea or ideas]? Just to fight with each other. They must find out some way. And I think the reason must be that people always unite if you have to hate someone. If you are to love someone, then people never unite. So, it's better to say that, "This is the best", so that the rest is all nonsensical, and you take something like the best and hold on to it and just start to propound it as, "This is the best. This is the best," and that's how you will organize it. But all of them are the best. Which part of your body is not the best? They are all flowers of the same tree, and, why, we are just plucking them and holding on to them and saying, "This is the best, and that is the best, and the one you have got in your hand is a dead flower". The living force is in the Tree, in the Tree of Life, which is described. Where is the seeking gone? The seeking is lost, because such a clamp has come. Now when a man has started thinking, he starts thinking, "Oh. God! These people! They talk of God; and look at them, how they are. They are so money minded. They try to own the properties, this, that. How are, where is the spirit?". And so they go against, and they think, "Oh, this is all nonsense". They cannot respect, you see. So, a new type of people have started saying, "There is no God. There is no spirit. It's all nonsense. These people are just trying to make money out of us. They are parasites. So, forget them". Both are equally wrong. There is God. There is spirit within us, and the time has come for us to know the spirit. This is what I've come to tell you here. Of course, some of you have been with Me for days together, as Maureen has said, that she has found something. What has she found? This, her spirit. She, like many other young people, have been really of the category of seekers. There are real human beings who are seeking. I mean, they are born like that. They are seekers. They are not seekers of anything else but of spirit. Perhaps they do not know, but they are that category, that they are seekers. Even if they take to drugs or to anything, they do it for the sake of seeking. And there are many, many young people in every country. We had one from Algeria, a young fellow, who came down here and got his realization. He went back and told about five hundred young people, who were very well-educated and all that. He told that there is a spirit within us. Because they had denounced, all these young people had denied. They said, "Look at these mullahs. What are they doing? They are teaching us fanaticism. They are teaching us destruction. How can there be God? How can there be Mohammed and all that? It's all nonsense. We don't believe in religion." And they had taken to communism. Some of them have become so violent, and there could have been anything like a national front sort of nonsense or some sort of a thing like that. And these people, when they heard him saying that, "There is the spirit. There is the God and you have to find him", they were amazed because this boy was a aeronautic engineer and they were surprised how could he say such a thing. They turned round and they also found. That is how all these differences are going to vanish, because spirit is the universal being within us. We become the spirit. It's the question of becoming, not just giving you a sermon, calling you, "Here. All right, come and confess and then take one bread and finished." It's something that really has to happen within you. Now, as I said, the whole construction has been done with the full understanding that you have to become the spirit. So, don't you think that even human beings who are quite confused, when they build something they never forget the purpose of the building? The whole universe and this earth that produced human beings, the whole creation, has been for the purpose of making you know your spirit. Do you mean to say that all is going to fail? That it has not worked, nothing within us, that it is you who are going to see, and you are the one who are going to sort of oblige God by seeking Him? Is it that He has not made all the [unclear] arrangements within you by which you get it yourself? After all, He has made you a human being. Or you have made yourself. I mean, you don't see any man making himself a human being out of a monkey. He has made you a human being, and He is going to make you something higher. You cannot put in any effort into it. As Maureen has said, that we understand only physical yoga. I don't know from where this nonsense has come in the west that yoga means only physical exercises. I mean, I don't know if people in the west are going to join a circus or some sort of a cinema show, that they are all the time busy doing all these acrobatic, useless things thinking that they are going to reach God. This is to be understood that through physical being you are not going to meet Him. Many people have an idea that if you give some money to someone you can, you can get God. Many people are like that. There are so many foolish people. Even in England, there was a guru who said that, "If you give me a Rolls Royce I'll come from America", and there are such stupid and mad people that they starved themselves and got a Rolls Royce for him. He has already fifty-eight. They bought one more for him, and he came down here and they gave him the Rolls Royce. And when people said, "What's this nonsense going on? Why should you give him these Rolls Royce to get the spirit?" She said, "He gives us spirit and we give him just a metal. Now, can you exchange?". For example, now, you have built this house with all these things. By building all these things, did you feel the purpose? First, you have to have the purpose. You have to create the whole building, and then achieve the purpose. That is the way the pattern of the whole condition is. First, is the spirit; then the whole body and all that is created. Through your attention, you have to know the spirit. It is that way you are created, and the whole pattern is made inside your being, which is placed in the spinal cord of a human being, which shows how he has evolved, and all that is not here to show you, but these people can give you some charts and things for the new people who are here, and most of you know all about it. You share a story. But now, the trouble I find with human beings is that it is very difficult to convince them. I mean, they want to be convinced. For what? I just don't understand. What do you want to be convinced about? You are not paying any money here. There's no shop to convince them. It's like they think I should tell them, "This sells better", or, "That sells better". [unclear: sounds like This] you have to ask for it. That's the vicious circle. They don't want to ask for it. They think I should fall at their feet and say, "Oh, please take your self-realization." We cannot understand something that is beyond, beyond your power to achieve. So, once you know that, then you have to ask, isn't it? Supposing there's a rich man. Well, this may, people may understand, a very gross example. Supposing there's a very rich man and that there's a man who is not rich. Now, he goes to this very, very rich man and he, he wants the rich man to convince the very ordinary man. For what? The, the other fellow wants some money. Now, what should he convince them? I mean, if you want to have the money, then it is you who has to ask for it, isn't it? Or the person has to convince you: "Oh, please take the money. I beg of you. Please take it. I love to give you money." Do they do like this? In a very gross way, but you understand, while the person who is spiritually enjoying does want some, but it wants that everybody should enjoy. Because he's not a moneyed man; he is a person with compassion and love. So, because of the compassion and love that he has - he has or she has - the enjoyment is not complete unless and until you give it, and that's why such a person wants to share. The difference between a moneyed man and a person who is spiritually very much endowed is this, that one wants to share and give, and without sharing he is [unclear]. It wants to create a way of sharing, and that is the reason why such a person may sound convincing. But actually, it is you who has to ask. You have to ask. Now, there are so many ways by which one can try to convince, and that conviction is this, that you see with your naked eye the pulsation of the Kundalini. Some of you who have come very recently may not have seen, but all of you, those who are been with me now, have seen the pulsation of the Kundalini in the triangular bone. They have seen this power, this residual power, pulsating, with their own eyes. They have seen the pulsation rising. They have seen the pulsation entering into the fontanel bone area, and they have seen the baptism acting in the actual, real living way, that this portion becomes really soft, and then you start getting the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost flowing from here. This is what should happen to us. Without that, all, everything that we have done, all God has created, is all a waste; it's useless; it has no meaning. It's foolish, stupid, I feel sometimes, the way people are wasting their time and wasting [unclear: sounds like their energy]. Once you get that, once you get to that, then the rest of thing works out, beautifully. So [unclear: sounds like a place]. I will give you another example of a Prime Minister who died [unclear: sounds like in India] and somehow I happened to be with them because my husband was his Secretary. So, I, we went through the whole thing, and in India the custom is to put all the remains in a big pot, and they take it around. So, because he was Prime Minister they put that in a very nice, big jar, or you can say, the water carriers, huge big, two water carriers made of nice metal, and inside was put all the remains of the Prime Minister. Now, the train had to go from Delhi to Benares, to immerse that in the River Ganges. On the way, it was quite dark and it was very, very cold. It was the month of January or February - February, it was - when we were passing through that cold weather, and the people were standing on the road. I mean, we should say, they allowed the railway lines throughout. Imagine! Throughout Delhi to Benares, at least must be, it is at least six hundred miles or so. Not a single place was there where there were people who were not standing, to see what? He was not there. Nothing. They could only see those vessels. That's all they could see. I mean, there was nothing to be seen, but they were all lined up and they were also coming and falling to grab those two vessels that were there. There was nothing else. His remains were also inside, but they were going to that vessel that they could see, because inside was the purpose of it. Now, when we went to Benares the thing was all immersed into the River Ganges. The thing was washed with that water and everything was cleansed out and they took out these two big water carriers, these vessels, outside. And then I was amazed to see that they were pushed on one side. They were lying somewhere and there were two bhoots were standing on top of them and nobody even noticed where they were lying. Nobody bothered. It had no purpose any more. It's finished. It's done. Nobody is bothered, where they're lying, what they are doing. Nobody's bothered. On the way, imagine! On the six hundred miles, it was completely covered the whole night, people were standing even with lanterns, to see that, just to pay homage, to what? But the purpose? There is a spirit within us, which understands the spirit of that. Once that is lost, it's not to be seen. Nobody's bothered about it. Nobody even looked at it and there were bhoots standing on top; they were under the bellies of the bhoots there. I just [unclear]. I said, "Look at this. It has lost its purpose. It has no [unclear]". Are we leading our life the same? We have to find. Are we leading our life without any purpose? But once the purpose is found out then the whole universe starts working because you are designed for it. So, the whole universe starts working for that design, and then you get the blessings of various type. Every type of blessing, and that is what you choose. Then you do not become over-rich, no. That's not the blessing, but you become as rich as should be very satisfying to the spirit. Then you become more satisfied and the problems are solved. Every sort of problems are solved. But so many Sahaja Yogis feel that Sahaja Yoga is for solving problems, all which are of a very mundane nature. Sahaja Yoga is for giving you spiritual light. Is not for solving your problems, but as a result the problems are solved. As a result you get all right. Your health improves, of course. You give up all your bad habits and all that [unclear: habits or happens]. I mean, it's a tremendous thing, and all the transformation starts flowing. It just works out that way because, see, tomorrow this place can be absolutely vacant. Nobody could be here. It's useless. There's no lights, nothing, nothing. But then the purpose is, supposing of this, to have a meeting. Everything goes up. Lights go up. Everything's spread out, everything clean, everything organized. In the same way, once you have your purpose established, everything that is topsy-turvy, in confusion, this way or that way, gets into its proper shapes and you get transformed. Now, there are many people like Maureen who are here, who were all lost people. I should say, really lost. And they found their way. But to them, also, they must understand that the spirit is the most important. Not the other things, that all our problems should be solved if you are with the spirit. You see, people start, you see, so many people get jobs; they get money; they get lots of success in many things; they get married; they get children; they have blessings, this, that. But still, they don't understand. This is happening because you have become one with the Divine. The Divine is giving you blessings. Still, they do not understand that. That is the thing. Immediately, if supposing some still goes wrong with someone or something: "Oh, look at this Sahaja Yoga. With Sahaja Yoga, it has gone wrong", because after some time your testing starts. The spirit starts testing. It gives you certain temptations. You have seen, even Christ had to go through, who was spirit Himself. He had to go through the temptations of the Satan. So, the temptations come in to see how far you go. Then people start saying, "Oh, look at this. This is going wrong with Sahaja Yoga; this is going wrong with Sahaja Yoga." According to some of you, even Sahaja Yogis, who are just half-way baked, I would say - they are not yet fully mature - they want a ship to be built, beautifully, then to be launched. But the sea has to be absolutely smooth, you see, absolutely smooth, and the ship should just go balancing. It should not face the sea. Then how do you prove it is seaworthy? The seaworthy ship has to have the facing power, of all kinds of storms. Here, you are not to see the storms; you have to see the quality of the ship. You have to find out what is the quality of the ship that is being now evolved, transformed. Is it facing? And that's why people fail in Sahaja Yoga, also. Of course, with this being the real thing, it has to be very few. [unclear: Today or Then] we went to the market to buy some things, and even woolen, real woolen clothes were very few. So, I thought something is happening even when Sahaja Yoga the same way. It's been too real. It starts. It's few. I started with, I think, six people only. One of them was Maureen or four, yes. Then I started working it out, and now you have seen in East End how many people have come. But these one or two, whatever this is the number, is going to start, and once it starts, because it's a living thing, if they work it out with that understanding that you are for your spirit, they will start working it out within themselves. Then they would like to share it with others. Once they start sharing, it starts expanding and increasing and improving, because that is the purpose. What is the purpose of this [unclear: Kali Yuga or Kundalini] is to get enlightened. Once it is enlightened, then what does it do? Nothing. It does the purpose. It gives you the light. Finished! Then the purpose is filled and there's no more seeking. It just gives the light, and that is what it is. But the trouble is, human beings have really, some of them have really spoilt their being quite a lot, within themselves. Through the tensions of life, through the whole ideas about life, through their old indulgences, I would say, through ignorance, following wrong type of people, filthy things, going to wrong sorts of life, there are problems within. Doesn't matter. When the light is there you see the problems very clearly, and you know also how to cure them and [unclear]. But remember, you have to be the spirit. That's the main part of it. So, gradually, the spirit itself shows through your collective happening, that you become collectively conscious. The thing starts flowing in you and you start feeling on your fingers where are the problems and these are decoded nicely in Sahaja Yoga, and you know that, if this is catching, then that is, means you have ego. Now, if you have ego, what to do, how to get rid of it, what to say, is, you know, how to work it out. Now, ego is something. Normally, if you say to somebody, "You have ego", he'll give you another punch to prove that he has a big one. But the Sahaja Yogis are different type. They'll tell you, they come and tell Me, "Mother, please take away this colossal ego I have, this [unclear], because you start seeing it as a separate thing. You do not think that you are ego. You say, "Oh, this terrible thing, please take out", or, "This I don't want". So, this Mister Ego vanishes, but in the beginning be careful; don't tell anybody you have ego. We have other names, you see, code names for that. Otherwise, you will be punched, you see, very nicely and have a black eye. Needs to be careful. Gradually the same people when they improve, they start finding out about others. And there are ways, you see, nice, with the Sanskrit. You see it's a very good way that the Sanskrit words are there, so that nobody knows what's the reason [unclear], how you cure the people without they knowing about it. It just works out, you see. Like children, if you have to give them castor oil, you put a coat on that and you can manage it. It's like that. So, it works out. It changes you completely, transforms; it has to transform you. After all, it's such a dynamic thing. Now, there's no end to it. I would say that just now only thing you should ask for is realization. Get it; work it out, but just don't slip. It's not like going to Hamstrich, shopping, something, and then throwing it somewhere and getting another thing. It's not a fashion or anything. It's a steady stream of spiritual life which you should have. Without that, nothing is important. Everything is a waste. It's a wasteland, and if you have to understand the meaning of your being there, you have to get your self-realization; you have to get it. First, the people who are ardently seeking will get it, not the people who are not seeking. Those who are seeking other things, might get. Some people who are sick might get well, finished. Some people who are seeking, say, mental or physical, will be all right, finished. But, those who are seeking the spirit will get permanently everything else, plus the blessings of the spirit, which is your purpose [unclear]. May God bless you. [unclear] So now, those who are new for the first time, please raise your hands. Come on out. You have been here with me before. Daughter, one, two, you have been, yes, three. Now, and we have all of them are realized souls. Can you imagine? It's good thing, very good. [unclear] Just put your hands like this. Just like this. Put your both [unclear: your or the] feet straight on the Mother Earth. Just like that. Now. [Long silence] Close your eyes. Please close them. All of you, close your eyes.
11/16/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=4591	The New Age, Plaw Hatch Seminar	England	East Grinstead	VERIFIED	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Talk to Sahaja Yogis	English	72	“The New Age” (Seminar), Plaw Hatch Hall, Plawhatch Lane, Sussex, England, (UK), 16 November 1980. Seminars like this are very useful, because then you can pick out people who are very seriously interested in Sahaj Yog; who are dedicated, who have passion for Sahaj Yoga, who feel that it is the most important thing of life. Now, you must have realised that you are the people who are the men of God and women of God, and that you have to be prepared to take this banner of new age, of transforming Sahaj Yoga into Maha Yog, into a vast area of spirituality. You are the channels and you are going to generate this energy through you. If you were just channels then your responsibility would have been much reduced. But Sahaj Yoga: it’s a very different type of a living process. Perhaps you might have noticed it: that once you receive your Realisation firstly it starts transforming you, firstly. Then it starts transforming other people. By your presence you start transforming the other people. By your existence, you start transforming other people. You start transforming the atmosphere. The subtler problems of negativity, they all work out. Like a tree, when it is blossoming, the fragrance of the blossom creates a different type of aura around itself [such] that it attracts all the bees around to gather the honey. In the same way, when a person is realised, is enlightened, the aura spreads and you start getting people attracted towards you. We have to remember a few points about Sahaj Yog. That you receive the light first. The second step is that you generate the light. It is never done in any other process that you generate the light, on your own, with your will, with your understanding, with your freedom. For example, a tree may give rise to seeds and seeds might become trees, but seeds do not regenerate, they do not have a will. Because here the seeds are human beings. Only the human beings have the will. Now you being enlightened with your will, with your will you can regenerate, or you would say, you can generate on your own, Sahaj Yoga, to go further. It’s a very subtle understanding: that when a light comes into this candle but it cannot regenerate of it’s will any other; somebody else has to take it to them. So your will is very important in Sahaj Yog: what do you will. That is very, very important. Now will does not mean desire. Will means desire put into action. So what you do is to desire and then you put it into action. You can do it. First of all we have to know that we must have desire. That is there no doubt: you are categorically seekers. I mean you are that category. You are born as seekers. You cannot get out of it. You are seekers. Whatever may be your problems, from whatever source you might have come, whatever mistakes you may commit, but you are seekers. Seekers are seekers. For example in this room if you see how many lights there are: at the most 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11: in both the rooms put together. In this room only five. Everybody is not a light. You are the light givers and it is going to work out through your will. So how powerful our will should be! How dedicated we should be about our will, that, one has to know. You have to fathom out that will within you. Once you start doing this Sahaj Yoga, then you recognise how important is Sahaj Yoga that it gives a real meaning to the whole Creation in the eyes of God and Divine power. That has to work out. That’s the purpose of life. And surprisingly it is left to your will, not to my will. I have no will, I have no action. So it is your will which is going to work it out. So you have to dedicate. And now you have to weigh yourself: “How much I am willed?” The seminars help you to see how much you really will that Sahaj Yoga should be successful. This is the second point. To make it successful what should we do? We must understand the basics of Sahaj Yoga and try to see within ourselves: do we understand the basics and do we have those qualities by which we sustain those basics? The first basic of Sahaj Yoga is that you have to become your Spirit so that your body emits the powers of Spirit alone. This is the first basic of Sahaj Yog. So far, in all the religions, all the great books, even Bible or Geeta, it is written that you must have faith, you must have faith. ‘Faith’ word was never clarified in any one of these books and mostly people thought blind faith is the only way to believe - is to have blind faith. It should have been clarified. But it was kept a vague term as ‘faith’. They do use ‘blind faith’ and faith. So the people started working it out. For example you are walking on the road and you say, “I was thinking of God and suddenly I found a gold ring so that my faith was substantiated that it is God who has helped me to get the gold ring.” Or say that there was a divorce on or something like that and you prayed to God and the divorce did not take place [so] it is God’s help. But this kind of faith can have another side. People can say that the people who do not believe in God at all are quite successful. Then how do you explain that? They have no faith, they are actually heathens, but they are very successful in life. So how do you explain that side? Sahaj Yoga has another very great truth: that it is the revelation of all the vague terms that were used before. Because people were not given Realisation one could not talk of faith, a blind faith and the real faith. Because if they do not have their eyes, how can you tell them about the light or the darkness? So, that time the faith was sustenance - how to sustain yourself. The second was to have faith that you will be resurrected that you will be your Spirit. Now the third stage is today to know that Realisation gives you experiences and then your faith is established. Not blind but open, enlightened faith. For example: you come into this house and see for yourself what it is and then have faith in that, that it is so; believe in that, that you’ve seen it, now you’ve seen, sakshat! To have sakshat means to get the whole thing which you have felt through your organs, five organs of perception. It’s as clear as sunlight! (laughter - the sun must have just started shining) To prove it! So this faith is the real faith: no conjecture, no just talking about it. So all these words that were used in the scriptures are a revelation. It means in actual life you have seen these things happening. Like I say ‘Ha’ and the Kundalini goes up. You’ve seen it many a time. I say ‘Ha’ and you start feeling it. That only by saying ‘Ha’ and ‘Hu’ and ‘Hee’ you get the vibrations. (laughter) It is absolutely there, now you can see for yourself. There is no just that it won’t work out or may work out, may not work out, may be true, may not be true. All these things are not there. It’s absolute before you. But first and foremost is - you have to become your Spirit. Without knowing the Spirit you cannot know God. But the Spirit itself is a sensitive thing. It is there, no doubt, it stays there, no doubt. But that it should shine in your attention, you have to know that your attention has to be congenial to the Spirit. If the attention is not congenial then the Spirit doesn’t shine. The Spirit will shine on an attention which is steady. Steady it. By balancing you bring a steadiness to it. Balance your thoughts, balance your eyes, balance your desires. Try to balance it. Ego and superego, you balance it. Attention is balanced very much like that. Now how do you do it? With your will. First of all you desire and then you act: “Where am I going? What am I doing? I am a seeker. Is this the thing I have to do as a seeker?” Immediately balance will be established. So this balancing has to come. The foremost thing is to balance yourself. Any extreme behaviour must be balanced. Any extreme attitude towards life must be brought down. Now here we find that the will acts in an opposite direction. For example people become obstinate. They do not want to accept that we have to balance and they say, “Oh! I am alright.” And they’ll give all explanations to show that they are alright. But [to] whom are you giving the explanations? You are fighting with yourself. Why? Because you are not yet integrated fully within yourself. So the second point is the integration, integration of your attention. Integration comes in when you do something, you wish something, you enjoy something, you want something, then you find integration is also wobbly in your attention. But if you want your Spirit, you just want your Spirit to be happy. Because if the Spirit is happy means you are also happy. Spirit is always happy. How are you going to make the Spirit happy? Only thing [is] when you say you want the Spirit to be happy, what you are saying is this, that you want your attention to be happy. If you keep your attention happy and cheerful, completely integrated with your being, not with your ego. This is where the discretion has to be used. So from balancing and integration we go to [the] third point: is discretion. Because you are very senior members of Sahaj Yoga, very senior students. And now you know how to be discreet. What to take, what not to take. It’s very easy to criticise others. It’s very easy to say others are wrong. But it should be the easiest to see what is wrong with you because you cannot correct others, you can only correct yourself. It’s as simple as that! Like a daughter is married to another man. Now supposing there is any problem between the two, it’s better to tell your daughter than to tell the other man because she is your own. In the same way it is better to correct yourself than to correct others. It’s the easiest thing to correct yourself if you could look at your ego which is stopping it. And who is the gainer? Who is the person who receives the benediction and the bliss of Sahaj Yog? So the old habits that are within us which gives us obstinacy must be seen with great discretion. And now, with all this training in Sahaj Yoga, you should be able to see even rationally the discretion part of it. I have seen people who go by the same road all the time are extremely discreet. They know how to turn, which turn to miss and which turn to take and how to reach. That’s the sign of your maturity. So you have to be discreet. Another thing is that you have your vibrations there to teach you discretion. But sometimes you may be missing them. So with rationality if you discriminate and try to find out what is wrong, “Where am I going wrong?” You will very easily understand that, “This part I am doing wrong and better check myself and nobody else.” Because you are driving your own car. You can only control your brakes and not the brakes of another person. It’s such a funny situation that people are driving everybody else’s cars but not their own! So with discretion you will know how to correct yourself, even rationally, now your rationality is absolutely logical. Before this, rationality was illogical. But now with the integration your rationality becomes logical and it tells you, “No, this is wrong, this cannot be.” You know about everything now, practically everything. I do not think there is anything that requires information for you people. I mean, you just try to think about something and you will get the answer: that’s all in your brains. It’s opened out. The only thing that I said: develop your discretion. If you are indiscreet then you must develop it, you must grow up with it, you must mature. So then we go from discretion to understand that when we go into discriminate and find out things, what we have to do is to find our own fault, correct them, discreetly. And then about others, what are we to do? If you people are of that level, that you catch from even a butterfly flying around and a little leaf falling from the tree. I mean if you were at that level then I would never have put you into big tests. But you are not. You are capable of much bigger tests than this. And it’s nice to play with those, isn’t it? Otherwise why should anybody even do hitchhiking? Leave alone hitchhiking, why should people swim? I mean better to sit on the bank and see everything. Even why go near the river? You may catch cold. So better sit in the house. And why even put on the light? You may see something and you may get frightened, so better to sleep! (Laughter) Even why to go to sleep, because you may dream (laughter). So that situation if it is there, that touch-me-not business, then I can tell you we cannot count. We are soldiers! And we have to develop immunity from all kinds of badhas from all kinds of people. Where is Cooly? From all types of Sahaj Yogis coming in. Because this is a wide gate where everyone has to come, all sorts. They will have hundred bhoots or they may have ten thousand - come along! Whatever type of bhoots there are we know how to handle them. This should be the attitude. Because I cannot give up anyone. I have to give chance to everyone. If you say, “You who discriminate against these and you throw those people away!” I just can’t do it. I am sorry! Some people will come, shout at me, insult me, trouble me. Alright doesn’t matter, they’ll be alright. I can put them out of circulation when they are absolutely useless. But till the end I will have to try. And if I find a slightest improvement, I’ll catch on to them. I may have to work much harder with them. They may be much more closer than other people are. If they are lost people I have to look after them. So you must know that it is your responsibility that you should take your charge and look after the other things that Mother has no time to look after. That’s what the quality you people are, that quality of people. All the Gods and all the Angels bow to you. They are in attention to you. You have seen even the Sun has come round, in these clouds, just see, surrounded by clouds, it’s there. Then you have to come up. And a small thing like collectivity: it’s the beginning of Sahaj Yog. If you do not want to become collective, Sahaj Yoga is not meant for individuals. This I must have said at least six years back, or seven years back in England or must be ten years back in India. Here you are coming to become a collective being because Spirit is the collective being. The quality of Spirit is that it is a collective being, is a part of the collective; it is absolutely one with the collective. It is so collective that you cannot imagine on human level how much it is collective. For example, yesterday I was criticising Geeta and the Vishuddhi was opening. Krishna is sitting here and talking through me. There is no difference at all of that, it’s just the same. And I am Krishna, I am Mataji and I am Christ. So much one that you can’t imagine how much oneness is there. It’s such an unison exists. So for Spirit to be absolutely enlivened within us, to be absolutely shining within us, we have to know: how do we articulate with others? How do we talk to others? What is our way of judging? But of course, as I said, there are people [with] whom you should not bother at all. They are not interested in Sahaj Yoga. They are anti-God. They are anti-Christ. Forget [them]! They have started another movement towards hell, you cannot stop them. First start dealing with simpler people. But if anybody comes into my attention, then you have to accept that person. But on your own don’t go on wasting your energy with them. I do not say that you go to one of these bhoots’ places and you just go and fight with them, no! If possible, try; if it works out. But do not waste your energy with people, as Christ has said, “before the swines!” Because, in the swine all kinds of parasites live. So in collectivity, those who are Sahaj Yogis those who have joined Sahaj yoga, there should be complete unison and articulation, absolutely, and enjoy each other’s company. Everyone is a beautiful flower. But I have seen people are more attached to other people who come in. Supposing a possessed person comes in: we had a very good example in India, there was a lady who used to come was possessed. She would every time come, sit in front, she would never sit at the back. And as soon as the tape would start she would go on like this, like that, like that. I tried everything on her, we all tried, she could not be cured. And she was only interested in doing that. Then she would write poems for me and she wanted to read the poems - the most embarrassing thing. I told her, “Don’t read”, because all bhoots used to come out of her poem. We told her in so many ways it went on for a year or so, still she was on and on, and she was just creating a problem for all the Sahaj Yogis. She was just a medium for all these bhoots to come in. And I told her many a times, you better not come here. Then I told her very frankly. Then I said, “You get out from here!” I went into that level. Second year passed. Still she would not listen. Then I just told her husband that if she comes to the programme we are going to report it to the police. So her husband stopped her. But people have such sympathies for these bhoots: not seeing that she’s going against Mother, she’s going against Sahaj Yoga, she’s bringing all kinds of bhoots inside and that why should Mother say all the time that she should not come? So when I went away she started coming again. Everybody told her, “Baba! You don’t come!” But there were some sympathisers with her! “She’s a lady! Why should you say anything to her?” This and that. But when she came once, absolutely adamantly, people told her “If you don’t go away, we’ll throw you out!” Still she would not go, she was just sitting down there. So one of them kicked her purse outside. I mean what’s the use of touching her purse also with your hands, you know - this was correct. And then she got up to catch hold of her purse, because if the purse has gone out of the place she can’t sit there. So she rushed out and went away. And there were letters from there,“You see. This doesn’t look nice for Sahaj Yogis to behave like this and to throw away the purse like this, and this should not have happened that way, it should not have happened.” I said this is indiscreet. If she is a bhoot, you tell her not to come, she is not wanted there, she cannot be a Sahaj Yogini, she is not a seeker, she is a medium of a bhoot, [and] still she is troubling, then who is sympathising? Naturally the people who are possessed. They sympathise with another possessed person. She is not a Sahaj Yogini. The collectivity has to be with the Sahaj Yogis; not with others. Because it is not there it’s a fake thing. It’s like saying, “We are brothers and sisters.” How are you? You are not feeling, it’s not awakened within you. If a leaf says, “I am the flower,” does she become? Leaf is a leaf and a flower is a flower. Among the flowers there should be collectivity, because that’s the natural thing that is there existing. Not with others. This is one thing which people do not know: how to discriminate. You are all one together but you will fight among each other, and when as soon as others come in. It’s surprising, I have seen this happening. It’s you who are my children. It’s you who speak the same language. It’s you who know everything. You are the people who are coveted. You are Princes. They still have to become; that’s a different point. You sit in your glory. The idea that all the saints should live at the feet of every third person is not there: you are kings, behave live like kings. You have to maintain distance from others who are commoners. Don’t allow your ego to develop, of course. But know that you won’t enjoy your kingdom unless and until you get more people into it. We have to get more and more and more but keep your dignity. You are at that level. Keep your poise. And then deal with others in the same manner that you are all joined together, you are the same. (break in audio recording) One has to be assuming one’s powers - assume. There’s no pride. There’s no pride in it. You are that, so you are that: what is there to be proud of? I mean you are realised-souls, finished! Why to be conscious of it? You are that. So you are that. You are knowledgeable. You are knowledge. Once you realise that, then discrimination will work out much better: that you don’t put down anyone, you don’t discard anyone, but they are not the same as you are. This principle you must know. They are not low or high or anything. But you are different, they are different. And they have to come and join you. They have to become. You cannot become like that, but they can become like you. So discretion is very important. In Sahaj Yoga, one of the very great basics for our growth, is to discriminate. Trust Sahaj Yogis. Do not trust non-Sahaj Yogis. Never trust a non-Sahaj Yogi compared to a Sahaj Yogi. Sahaj Yogi is your brother or sister, is a companion, is everything and the others are others. They are another party, you are another party. They are not your enemies. They can come to this side but they are not the same as you are. This must come into you, so the collectivity will grow strong. We should know that, by fighting with each other, you are reducing the power of Sahaj Yoga. By getting angry with each other, you are reducing the power of Sahaj Yoga. Imagine if the channels start fighting with each other: how are you going to channelise the energy. So first of all, make your channel alright. And understand that we all channels put together are going to do the work better. We all have to be together. Togetherness is to be felt. When the collectivity is disturbed what is the centre you catch? Can you tell? Yogis: Vishuddhi? Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi and Sahasrara: because I am the collectivity of all the Gods. And all the centres are in the brain, in the Sahasrara. And thirdly when it goes beyond a certain level, then you catch on your Heart. So Vishuddhi, Sahasrara and Heart; these combinations start. If Agnya left or right, any one of them joins in, you develop Ekadasha Rudra. Now how through Left Vishuddhi and Right Vishuddhi we spoil other people is so evident. Supposing you have Right Vishuddhi problem. In Japan, I went there: Japanese people you know have certain ideas in which shyness and shame has no meaning. I mean, a gentleman who is the chairman of a very big international company came to see me in a hotel. And he had a big thing on his mouth white some sort of a thing like a Hanumana. And I looked at him, I said, “What’s that supposed to be?” And he talked to me inside and this thing was on his nose like that. I saw his Right Vishuddhi was very badly caught up. Still I couldn’t understand. So he said, “I am sorry for this Madam, but this is there because I’ve got cold.” So they put that thing on, whether you have to see the Queen or anyone they just put on that and then go and see; because when you have cold, others catch it. That’s one thing that catches the fastest. Now you had cold so I have caught. So to get a cold one learns that if somebody has a cold, he himself says, “Today I have got cold, you don’t come!” If you have to give an excuse to someone that you don’t want to go anywhere you say, “I have got flu!” “Alright. It’s alright, don’t come!” Nobody bothers. So this is the Right Vishuddhi, you can see it very clearly. But Left Vishuddhi you cannot see, but feel it. Left Vishuddhi creates all kinds of social problems. The Right Vishuddhi creates all kinds of political problems. For example those who have Right Vishuddhi are speakers, speak too much. They have to talk too much. They may create problems with their Right Vishuddhi by talking too much or by keeping quiet, both ways. The Left Vishuddhi people say something sarcastic, something horrible, something nasty, sly: non-aggressive but screwing type. They might create holes into people. They don’t believe in killing directly like that. So they want to do screwing up. Screw the person here and there. The relationship between Right Vishuddhi and Left Vishuddhi is very close, as much as the two sides of a coin. One side is aggressive, so on the right hand side when people speak to each other they oppress, aggress; they say things aggressively. Extremely aggressive things they say. And you have seen people talking like that: boastful, aggressive things. Left sided as I told you are the sly people, so they do it. They spoil the relationships by too much aggression, say for example one party man will stand up and say that, “I am the one!” The other will say, “I am the one!” The relationships between the political parties are ruined. They cannot articulate. The other side is the one [which] also cannot articulate. Because the relationship in the slyness when it goes down too much, ends up in perverted sex life. Then you go to somebody’s house: you find a friend came to stay and he ran away with the mother-or some sort of a nonsense like that. So on the left hand side this kind of a funny relationship when you do not understand the purity of relationship in social life: that drops down, that creates problems. So in relationship Right and Left Vishuddhi, both of them, play a very big part. Then comes the Sahasrara. You know Sahasrara, what it is. People want to judge me. They have a right to do it, I mean I cannot say no. You can judge me. You can do whatever you like. I mean, I cannot say that you don’t judge me. So we cannot say that you don’t judge me; I cannot say. You go on judging me. But what is the instrument you have got to judge me? I am such a camouflage; just a bubble and such a receding personality. How are you going to judge me? Is there a way? Is there any way of judging me? You can never catch me, anywhere! It’s a camouflage. Firstly I am prideless, I am egoless, I am actionless. Where are you going to catch me? On the contrary by all these attributes I create a problem for you, that I am a Mahamaya. You cannot understand a person who does not have pride. Because you all can talk to me very nicely, you can be very sweet and you can just sit next to me. And suddenly you come out with a remark which shows you are not conscious of whom you are talking to. Suddenly something you do where you are not conscious of it. Because I go on playing. I am extremely friendly with you, extremely nice to you, absolutely prideless. You see anybody who has even this much position in life, he has a nose like that. Mine is bent all the time! (laughter) Nothing but humour. And then how are you going to understand my position? You see there is no outside signs, there are no horns, there’s nothing that I could be a cinema star. I am too simple, too sweet. There is no way by which you can really feel that I am great. I am absolutely mundane, ordinary. But extraordinary of the ordinary I am. This is a thing which people do not understand. It’s alright for those who are not realised, excused. But you have felt the vibrations and your Realisation through me: I must be something. Put your attention like that, to understand. Must be a tremendous thing inside this body. It cannot be possible otherwise. It’s so obvious otherwise to you people. This is to be understood that, so far, Krishna, Christ, Rama, all of the them, nobody gave Self-realisation to people en-masse. They had other powers Samharashakti, like Krishna had, he could kill anybody like this. I have also all these powers hidden, but obviously I am a very simple, ordinary, mundane type of an Indian lady, finished! And Christ had a power to get Himself crucified. I too have that. But I am not going to do all that. I have a power to resurrect also. Why these powers are not used? One should understand. Because now the main attention is to raise the Kundalini and for that these powers are not required. Give Realisation to any number of people. What’s the use of getting crucified? Who is going to raise the Kundalini? I would like to wait. I mean, if I were at that time I would have said, “Alright, keep your cross for a while I will have it later on.” What’s the need, just now, to destroy people? Let’s see how many come around. So these powers are not required. Today the power of raising the Kundalini of thousands & thousands and millions & millions of people is required. And I am going to be just like you all my life: in the sense I am going to get old. I mean, today I should be old, I will be. I’ll be just like you. I am not going to do anything outside. It’s like a German car! But it is you, who has to know the power of the German car. It’s the best type! And once you realise that, that all is deliberately made like that...In the beginning of course, you cannot even understand it. It goes on, “How can it be? How can it be? She does this, She does that.” It goes on like that. But don’t judge me, because that’s not the way you will understand. Just realise and recognise that there has to be something tremendous. It was necessary to have someone like that to do this tremendous task. And it was necessary for you to be born, to be with me to help me. I know those who are with me; they’ll stand by me throughout. I may judge them a little here and there, but I know they’ll come round. They have to stand by me. Those who want to run away, they’ll run away, today or tomorrow, I know. I’ll try. I’ll try to get them round as far as possible. So, we come to collectivity, to understand that you are cells in my body and I have awakened you. If you degenerate, my body degenerates. You have seen that also. When you are sick, I am sick. In the sense I liberate more vibrations and I feel sick with that, because you can’t take it. When you take vibrations I feel very happy. But those who have faith in themselves can only understand this. Those who have superiority complex, or inferiority complex [cannot]. Complex means no faith in yourself. You should have faith in yourself that you are the chosen ones. You are really the people, specially made for this great work. It’s a tremendous thing that you are out for. Once you realise and recognise it you won’t bother about small, small things of life. It’s the quality in you that has to be nurtured and looked after, through collectivity. But collectivity of the Sahaj Yogis. I know those who have proper reactions to things. Some Sahaj Yogi is coming, they feel very happy, “Oh he’s coming!” You say, “There are five people who got Realisation,” they feel very happy. They will not shun. They’ll be happy to go all out to see a Sahaj Yogi, to meet a Sahaj Yogi, to do anything for a Sahaj Yogi. This is the sign of a Sahaj Yogi. A Sahaj Yogi in difficulty, he’ll go secretly and help, not just on money but anything. This is a new race that is coming up. Others are human beings, you are not. You are not human beings any more. You are Sahaj Yogis. It’s a different race. All over the world this race has to come up. So we have to build up ourselves in one group, in one understanding, in absolute unison. There should be no secrets, there should be no domination, everything should articulate, everyone should talk to each other, everyone should know what is happening with the what. You have to be absolutely frank, open with each other. Absolutely. Tell them your problems. “I catch on this, what to do? I catch on that, what to do? How to clear it out?” Not to feel shy. We have to enjoy ourselves. Also enjoy our weaknesses so that we clear them out. Laugh it out. If somebody has some habits - laugh it out. That’s the best way to do it. The difference between a human being and a Sahaj Yogi is the same as a human being and a drunk fellow. I’ll give you a joke of a drunkard: there were two drunkards who were drunk and went to a hotel. And they wanted to have a room for themselves. God knows what they wanted, they did not know. So they went and told the clerk that they would like to have two beds with a room. He didn’t understand you see. No, two rooms with a bed. So he said, “Alright you want to have a room with two beds. Alright.” So he opened a room and said these are the beds for you. So fully clothed as they were, they slept in the same bed. So one calls to another and says, “There’s somebody in my bed!” So the other one says, “I too have someone in my bed.” (laughter) So the first one says, “What should we do?” The second one says, “Let’s try to throw them out!” And there was a big struggle and lot of noise in the room. So the first one says “I’ve got him out.” The second one says, “But he has thrown me out!” (laughter) So the first one says “Alright, you can come and sleep with me,” because he’s thrown him out, so what to do? This is what they are! This is the difference. So what is the use of arguing with them and getting angry, getting into tensions. I mean they are blind! If you see a drunkard, run with the speed of five hundred miles per hour. That’s my principle. No use arguing with a mad man or a drunkard. Maybe mad man maybe alright, but a drunkard, till three hours he won’t digest his drinks. So that is what is the difference. They are drunk. They are drunk by power, drunk by money, drunk by that. Something is there. And you are filled with the light of God Almighty. That is what it is: the difference is. If you understand the difference, you will realise that no use fighting with these people. They are drunk. They are like that. If you talk to them, what can you say? I mean, they don’t understand you. They just don’t understand, so forget it. I will give you such tests and things by which you will come in contact with them, see them and get out of it, without any harm being done to you. It’s necessary. You have to touch them. You have to go near them. You have to be with them. But you are outside. I give such tests to people and that should work out! And I know you can, that’s why I give. I give such tests only to people about whom I’m sure that they’ll come out. Woth this, I think, we should decide today that, we all are going to live with one heart, one desire, with one head and with one liver, all of us. Let’s see how it works out. For example, you go to a hotel, five Sahaj Yogis. If one says, “I’ll have that,” everybody will have that. That’s the sign. No decisions are needed. Why waste energy on decisions, arguments? Whether you eat fish and chips or chips and fish is just the same. The quarrel is like that. A Sahaj Yogi does not waste his energies on these things. You have seen your Mother: no choices, just enjoyment. Where is the time to argue? When joy pouring in, let’s enjoy. May God bless you all! See, why is the problem? That you have a will, that anything else does not have the will. You have the will. And once you try to bring the will in tune with each other, you feel your ego is there and your ego hurts you. You don’t want to be, you don’t want to lose that. You think that, by doing so, you are becoming sub-normal. No! You are a realised-soul, and a realised-soul is something so unique that you cannot give a parallel to it. You cannot give a parallel. For example I can say, if there’s a wind blowing then all the trees move in the same way. But human beings, if the wind is blowing, supposing any wind is coming, somebody will go that way, somebody will go that way, because they have a will. But Sahaj Yogis, if the wind is blowing, all of them will put their heads against the wind and fight it. This is a thing which cannot be given any parallel because you are going above human things. So far never such a thing has existed. You are such unique creations that I cannot compare you with anything that was below, or I should say, which was not of this level. The level is different. So when you do everything the same way, you are doing it because you are aware of that collectivity, of the Primordial Being within you, that’s why you are doing. This transition is the point which you should catch. That’s something I feel, that when you start giving any analogies and all that, how can you give an analogy for something that never existed before, never? Atula, which cannot be compared. That’s one of the names of the Goddess. So, I cannot give you analogies, but I can make you understand that if your Spirit is awakened - in everybody is the Spirit which is a collective being – then you do it because your Spirit does it. You don’t care for ego, superego and all these nonsensical things, which are barriers in the growth of living collectivity. Now you have become livingly collective and you cannot be happy [otherwise]. You are that. It’s a new being that is within you. So you cannot. If you try to do something else, you will not like it, because this time is not your ego but your Spirit. As before this you listened to your ego and were happy with it, now you will be happy if you listen to your Spirit. Because now you have become the Spirit. It’s a very unique situation. You are the Spirit. And when you are the Spirit, then you become different. What analogy can I give? Then the responsibility is more also to understand that, when you say yes, another says yes. See in saying yes, you will feel happy. Supposing you say “fish & chips”, another says, “fish & chips”, another will say “fish & chips” Everybody will say the same. “Let’s go to the right!” “Let’s go to the right!” “Let’s go to the right!” Everybody will say. Unless and until there is somebody who knows the job and says, “No, no. Right is not, the way. Left let’s go.” Everybody should know that he knows the way. “Yes, let’s go to the left.” Arguments will fizzle out, because you are in unison. In the second half I’ll have to tell you about the nourishment of Sahaj Yoga. That will be the second half. But the first half is the basics, which I have talked to you. So, you would like them to come for lunch also? Yogi: Yes Mother. (end of recording)	null	null	null	“The New Age” (Seminar), Plaw Hatch Hall, Plawhatch Lane, Sussex, England, (UK), 16 November 1980. Seminars like this are very useful, because then you can pick out people who are very seriously interested in Sahaj Yog; who are dedicated, who have passion for Sahaj Yoga, who feel that it is the most important thing of life. Now, you must have realised that you are the people who are the men of God and women of God, and that you have to be prepared to take this banner of new age, of transforming Sahaj Yoga into Maha Yog, into a vast area of spirituality. You are the channels and you are going to generate this energy through you. If you were just channels then your responsibility would have been much reduced. But Sahaj Yoga: it’s a very different type of a living process. Perhaps you might have noticed it: that once you receive your Realisation firstly it starts transforming you, firstly. Then it starts transforming other people. By your presence you start transforming the other people. By your existence, you start transforming other people. You start transforming the atmosphere. The subtler problems of negativity, they all work out. Like a tree, when it is blossoming, the fragrance of the blossom creates a different type of aura around itself [such] that it attracts all the bees around to gather the honey. In the same way, when a person is realised, is enlightened, the aura spreads and you start getting people attracted towards you. We have to remember a few points about Sahaj Yog. That you receive the light first. The second step is that you generate the light. It is never done in any other process that you generate the light, on your own, with your will, with your understanding, with your freedom. For example, a tree may give rise to seeds and seeds might become trees, but seeds do not regenerate, they do not have a will. Because here the seeds are human beings. Only the human beings have the will. Now you being enlightened with your will, with your will you can regenerate, or you would say, you can generate on your own, Sahaj Yoga, to go further. It’s a very subtle understanding: that when a light comes into this candle but it cannot regenerate of it’s will any other; somebody else has to take it to them. So your will is very important in Sahaj Yog: what do you will. That is very, very important. Now will does not mean desire. Will means desire put into action. So what you do is to desire and then you put it into action. You can do it. First of all we have to know that we must have desire. That is there no doubt: you are categorically seekers. I mean you are that category. You are born as seekers. You cannot get out of it. You are seekers. Whatever may be your problems, from whatever source you might have come, whatever mistakes you may commit, but you are seekers. Seekers are seekers. For example in this room if you see how many lights there are: at the most 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11: in both the rooms put together. In this room only five. Everybody is not a light. You are the light givers and it is going to work out through your will. So how powerful our will should be! How dedicated we should be about our will, that, one has to know. You have to fathom out that will within you. Once you start doing this Sahaj Yoga, then you recognise how important is Sahaj Yoga that it gives a real meaning to the whole Creation in the eyes of God and Divine power. That has to work out. That’s the purpose of life. And surprisingly it is left to your will, not to my will. I have no will, I have no action. So it is your will which is going to work it out. So you have to dedicate. And now you have to weigh yourself: “How much I am willed?” The seminars help you to see how much you really will that Sahaj Yoga should be successful. This is the second point. To make it successful what should we do? We must understand the basics of Sahaj Yoga and try to see within ourselves: do we understand the basics and do we have those qualities by which we sustain those basics? The first basic of Sahaj Yoga is that you have to become your Spirit so that your body emits the powers of Spirit alone. This is the first basic of Sahaj Yog. So far, in all the religions, all the great books, even Bible or Geeta, it is written that you must have faith, you must have faith. ‘Faith’ word was never clarified in any one of these books and mostly people thought blind faith is the only way to believe - is to have blind faith. It should have been clarified. But it was kept a vague term as ‘faith’. They do use ‘blind faith’ and faith. So the people started working it out. For example you are walking on the road and you say, “I was thinking of God and suddenly I found a gold ring so that my faith was substantiated that it is God who has helped me to get the gold ring.” Or say that there was a divorce on or something like that and you prayed to God and the divorce did not take place [so] it is God’s help. But this kind of faith can have another side. People can say that the people who do not believe in God at all are quite successful. Then how do you explain that? They have no faith, they are actually heathens, but they are very successful in life. So how do you explain that side? Sahaj Yoga has another very great truth: that it is the revelation of all the vague terms that were used before. Because people were not given Realisation one could not talk of faith, a blind faith and the real faith. Because if they do not have their eyes, how can you tell them about the light or the darkness? So, that time the faith was sustenance - how to sustain yourself. The second was to have faith that you will be resurrected that you will be your Spirit. Now the third stage is today to know that Realisation gives you experiences and then your faith is established. Not blind but open, enlightened faith. For example: you come into this house and see for yourself what it is and then have faith in that, that it is so; believe in that, that you’ve seen it, now you’ve seen, sakshat! To have sakshat means to get the whole thing which you have felt through your organs, five organs of perception. It’s as clear as sunlight! (laughter - the sun must have just started shining) To prove it! So this faith is the real faith: no conjecture, no just talking about it. So all these words that were used in the scriptures are a revelation. It means in actual life you have seen these things happening. Like I say ‘Ha’ and the Kundalini goes up. You’ve seen it many a time. I say ‘Ha’ and you start feeling it. That only by saying ‘Ha’ and ‘Hu’ and ‘Hee’ you get the vibrations. (laughter) It is absolutely there, now you can see for yourself. There is no just that it won’t work out or may work out, may not work out, may be true, may not be true. All these things are not there. It’s absolute before you. But first and foremost is - you have to become your Spirit. Without knowing the Spirit you cannot know God. But the Spirit itself is a sensitive thing. It is there, no doubt, it stays there, no doubt. But that it should shine in your attention, you have to know that your attention has to be congenial to the Spirit. If the attention is not congenial then the Spirit doesn’t shine. The Spirit will shine on an attention which is steady. Steady it. By balancing you bring a steadiness to it. Balance your thoughts, balance your eyes, balance your desires. Try to balance it. Ego and superego, you balance it. Attention is balanced very much like that. Now how do you do it? With your will. First of all you desire and then you act: “Where am I going? What am I doing? I am a seeker. Is this the thing I have to do as a seeker?” Immediately balance will be established. So this balancing has to come. The foremost thing is to balance yourself. Any extreme behaviour must be balanced. Any extreme attitude towards life must be brought down. Now here we find that the will acts in an opposite direction. For example people become obstinate. They do not want to accept that we have to balance and they say, “Oh! I am alright.” And they’ll give all explanations to show that they are alright. But [to] whom are you giving the explanations? You are fighting with yourself. Why? Because you are not yet integrated fully within yourself. So the second point is the integration, integration of your attention. Integration comes in when you do something, you wish something, you enjoy something, you want something, then you find integration is also wobbly in your attention. But if you want your Spirit, you just want your Spirit to be happy. Because if the Spirit is happy means you are also happy. Spirit is always happy. How are you going to make the Spirit happy? Only thing [is] when you say you want the Spirit to be happy, what you are saying is this, that you want your attention to be happy. If you keep your attention happy and cheerful, completely integrated with your being, not with your ego. This is where the discretion has to be used. So from balancing and integration we go to [the] third point: is discretion. Because you are very senior members of Sahaj Yoga, very senior students. And now you know how to be discreet. What to take, what not to take. It’s very easy to criticise others. It’s very easy to say others are wrong. But it should be the easiest to see what is wrong with you because you cannot correct others, you can only correct yourself. It’s as simple as that! Like a daughter is married to another man. Now supposing there is any problem between the two, it’s better to tell your daughter than to tell the other man because she is your own. In the same way it is better to correct yourself than to correct others. It’s the easiest thing to correct yourself if you could look at your ego which is stopping it. And who is the gainer? Who is the person who receives the benediction and the bliss of Sahaj Yog? So the old habits that are within us which gives us obstinacy must be seen with great discretion. And now, with all this training in Sahaj Yoga, you should be able to see even rationally the discretion part of it. I have seen people who go by the same road all the time are extremely discreet. They know how to turn, which turn to miss and which turn to take and how to reach. That’s the sign of your maturity. So you have to be discreet. Another thing is that you have your vibrations there to teach you discretion. But sometimes you may be missing them. So with rationality if you discriminate and try to find out what is wrong, “Where am I going wrong?” You will very easily understand that, “This part I am doing wrong and better check myself and nobody else.” Because you are driving your own car. You can only control your brakes and not the brakes of another person. It’s such a funny situation that people are driving everybody else’s cars but not their own! So with discretion you will know how to correct yourself, even rationally, now your rationality is absolutely logical. Before this, rationality was illogical. But now with the integration your rationality becomes logical and it tells you, “No, this is wrong, this cannot be.” You know about everything now, practically everything. I do not think there is anything that requires information for you people. I mean, you just try to think about something and you will get the answer: that’s all in your brains. It’s opened out. The only thing that I said: develop your discretion. If you are indiscreet then you must develop it, you must grow up with it, you must mature. So then we go from discretion to understand that when we go into discriminate and find out things, what we have to do is to find our own fault, correct them, discreetly. And then about others, what are we to do? If you people are of that level, that you catch from even a butterfly flying around and a little leaf falling from the tree. I mean if you were at that level then I would never have put you into big tests. But you are not. You are capable of much bigger tests than this. And it’s nice to play with those, isn’t it? Otherwise why should anybody even do hitchhiking? Leave alone hitchhiking, why should people swim? I mean better to sit on the bank and see everything. Even why go near the river? You may catch cold. So better sit in the house. And why even put on the light? You may see something and you may get frightened, so better to sleep! (Laughter) Even why to go to sleep, because you may dream (laughter). So that situation if it is there, that touch-me-not business, then I can tell you we cannot count. We are soldiers! And we have to develop immunity from all kinds of badhas from all kinds of people. Where is Cooly? From all types of Sahaj Yogis coming in. Because this is a wide gate where everyone has to come, all sorts. They will have hundred bhoots or they may have ten thousand - come along! Whatever type of bhoots there are we know how to handle them. This should be the attitude. Because I cannot give up anyone. I have to give chance to everyone. If you say, “You who discriminate against these and you throw those people away!” I just can’t do it. I am sorry! Some people will come, shout at me, insult me, trouble me. Alright doesn’t matter, they’ll be alright. I can put them out of circulation when they are absolutely useless. But till the end I will have to try. And if I find a slightest improvement, I’ll catch on to them. I may have to work much harder with them. They may be much more closer than other people are. If they are lost people I have to look after them. So you must know that it is your responsibility that you should take your charge and look after the other things that Mother has no time to look after. That’s what the quality you people are, that quality of people. All the Gods and all the Angels bow to you. They are in attention to you. You have seen even the Sun has come round, in these clouds, just see, surrounded by clouds, it’s there. Then you have to come up. And a small thing like collectivity: it’s the beginning of Sahaj Yog. If you do not want to become collective, Sahaj Yoga is not meant for individuals. This I must have said at least six years back, or seven years back in England or must be ten years back in India. Here you are coming to become a collective being because Spirit is the collective being. The quality of Spirit is that it is a collective being, is a part of the collective; it is absolutely one with the collective. It is so collective that you cannot imagine on human level how much it is collective. For example, yesterday I was criticising Geeta and the Vishuddhi was opening. Krishna is sitting here and talking through me. There is no difference at all of that, it’s just the same. And I am Krishna, I am Mataji and I am Christ. So much one that you can’t imagine how much oneness is there. It’s such an unison exists. So for Spirit to be absolutely enlivened within us, to be absolutely shining within us, we have to know: how do we articulate with others? How do we talk to others? What is our way of judging? But of course, as I said, there are people [with] whom you should not bother at all. They are not interested in Sahaj Yoga. They are anti-God. They are anti-Christ. Forget [them]! They have started another movement towards hell, you cannot stop them. First start dealing with simpler people. But if anybody comes into my attention, then you have to accept that person. But on your own don’t go on wasting your energy with them. I do not say that you go to one of these bhoots’ places and you just go and fight with them, no! If possible, try; if it works out. But do not waste your energy with people, as Christ has said, “before the swines!” Because, in the swine all kinds of parasites live. So in collectivity, those who are Sahaj Yogis those who have joined Sahaj yoga, there should be complete unison and articulation, absolutely, and enjoy each other’s company. Everyone is a beautiful flower. But I have seen people are more attached to other people who come in. Supposing a possessed person comes in: we had a very good example in India, there was a lady who used to come was possessed. She would every time come, sit in front, she would never sit at the back. And as soon as the tape would start she would go on like this, like that, like that. I tried everything on her, we all tried, she could not be cured. And she was only interested in doing that. Then she would write poems for me and she wanted to read the poems - the most embarrassing thing. I told her, “Don’t read”, because all bhoots used to come out of her poem. We told her in so many ways it went on for a year or so, still she was on and on, and she was just creating a problem for all the Sahaj Yogis. She was just a medium for all these bhoots to come in. And I told her many a times, you better not come here. Then I told her very frankly. Then I said, “You get out from here!” I went into that level. Second year passed. Still she would not listen. Then I just told her husband that if she comes to the programme we are going to report it to the police. So her husband stopped her. But people have such sympathies for these bhoots: not seeing that she’s going against Mother, she’s going against Sahaj Yoga, she’s bringing all kinds of bhoots inside and that why should Mother say all the time that she should not come? So when I went away she started coming again. Everybody told her, “Baba! You don’t come!” But there were some sympathisers with her! “She’s a lady! Why should you say anything to her?” This and that. But when she came once, absolutely adamantly, people told her “If you don’t go away, we’ll throw you out!” Still she would not go, she was just sitting down there. So one of them kicked her purse outside. I mean what’s the use of touching her purse also with your hands, you know - this was correct. And then she got up to catch hold of her purse, because if the purse has gone out of the place she can’t sit there. So she rushed out and went away. And there were letters from there,“You see. This doesn’t look nice for Sahaj Yogis to behave like this and to throw away the purse like this, and this should not have happened that way, it should not have happened.” I said this is indiscreet. If she is a bhoot, you tell her not to come, she is not wanted there, she cannot be a Sahaj Yogini, she is not a seeker, she is a medium of a bhoot, [and] still she is troubling, then who is sympathising? Naturally the people who are possessed. They sympathise with another possessed person. She is not a Sahaj Yogini. The collectivity has to be with the Sahaj Yogis; not with others. Because it is not there it’s a fake thing. It’s like saying, “We are brothers and sisters.” How are you? You are not feeling, it’s not awakened within you. If a leaf says, “I am the flower,” does she become? Leaf is a leaf and a flower is a flower. Among the flowers there should be collectivity, because that’s the natural thing that is there existing. Not with others. This is one thing which people do not know: how to discriminate. You are all one together but you will fight among each other, and when as soon as others come in. It’s surprising, I have seen this happening. It’s you who are my children. It’s you who speak the same language. It’s you who know everything. You are the people who are coveted. You are Princes. They still have to become; that’s a different point. You sit in your glory. The idea that all the saints should live at the feet of every third person is not there: you are kings, behave live like kings. You have to maintain distance from others who are commoners. Don’t allow your ego to develop, of course. But know that you won’t enjoy your kingdom unless and until you get more people into it. We have to get more and more and more but keep your dignity. You are at that level. Keep your poise. And then deal with others in the same manner that you are all joined together, you are the same. (break in audio recording) One has to be assuming one’s powers - assume. There’s no pride. There’s no pride in it. You are that, so you are that: what is there to be proud of? I mean you are realised-souls, finished! Why to be conscious of it? You are that. So you are that. You are knowledgeable. You are knowledge. Once you realise that, then discrimination will work out much better: that you don’t put down anyone, you don’t discard anyone, but they are not the same as you are. This principle you must know. They are not low or high or anything. But you are different, they are different. And they have to come and join you. They have to become. You cannot become like that, but they can become like you. So discretion is very important. In Sahaj Yoga, one of the very great basics for our growth, is to discriminate. Trust Sahaj Yogis. Do not trust non-Sahaj Yogis. Never trust a non-Sahaj Yogi compared to a Sahaj Yogi. Sahaj Yogi is your brother or sister, is a companion, is everything and the others are others. They are another party, you are another party. They are not your enemies. They can come to this side but they are not the same as you are. This must come into you, so the collectivity will grow strong. We should know that, by fighting with each other, you are reducing the power of Sahaj Yoga. By getting angry with each other, you are reducing the power of Sahaj Yoga. Imagine if the channels start fighting with each other: how are you going to channelise the energy. So first of all, make your channel alright. And understand that we all channels put together are going to do the work better. We all have to be together. Togetherness is to be felt. When the collectivity is disturbed what is the centre you catch? Can you tell? Yogis: Vishuddhi? Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi and Sahasrara: because I am the collectivity of all the Gods. And all the centres are in the brain, in the Sahasrara. And thirdly when it goes beyond a certain level, then you catch on your Heart. So Vishuddhi, Sahasrara and Heart; these combinations start. If Agnya left or right, any one of them joins in, you develop Ekadasha Rudra. Now how through Left Vishuddhi and Right Vishuddhi we spoil other people is so evident. Supposing you have Right Vishuddhi problem. In Japan, I went there: Japanese people you know have certain ideas in which shyness and shame has no meaning. I mean, a gentleman who is the chairman of a very big international company came to see me in a hotel. And he had a big thing on his mouth white some sort of a thing like a Hanumana. And I looked at him, I said, “What’s that supposed to be?” And he talked to me inside and this thing was on his nose like that. I saw his Right Vishuddhi was very badly caught up. Still I couldn’t understand. So he said, “I am sorry for this Madam, but this is there because I’ve got cold.” So they put that thing on, whether you have to see the Queen or anyone they just put on that and then go and see; because when you have cold, others catch it. That’s one thing that catches the fastest. Now you had cold so I have caught. So to get a cold one learns that if somebody has a cold, he himself says, “Today I have got cold, you don’t come!” If you have to give an excuse to someone that you don’t want to go anywhere you say, “I have got flu!” “Alright. It’s alright, don’t come!” Nobody bothers. So this is the Right Vishuddhi, you can see it very clearly. But Left Vishuddhi you cannot see, but feel it. Left Vishuddhi creates all kinds of social problems. The Right Vishuddhi creates all kinds of political problems. For example those who have Right Vishuddhi are speakers, speak too much. They have to talk too much. They may create problems with their Right Vishuddhi by talking too much or by keeping quiet, both ways. The Left Vishuddhi people say something sarcastic, something horrible, something nasty, sly: non-aggressive but screwing type. They might create holes into people. They don’t believe in killing directly like that. So they want to do screwing up. Screw the person here and there. The relationship between Right Vishuddhi and Left Vishuddhi is very close, as much as the two sides of a coin. One side is aggressive, so on the right hand side when people speak to each other they oppress, aggress; they say things aggressively. Extremely aggressive things they say. And you have seen people talking like that: boastful, aggressive things. Left sided as I told you are the sly people, so they do it. They spoil the relationships by too much aggression, say for example one party man will stand up and say that, “I am the one!” The other will say, “I am the one!” The relationships between the political parties are ruined. They cannot articulate. The other side is the one [which] also cannot articulate. Because the relationship in the slyness when it goes down too much, ends up in perverted sex life. Then you go to somebody’s house: you find a friend came to stay and he ran away with the mother-or some sort of a nonsense like that. So on the left hand side this kind of a funny relationship when you do not understand the purity of relationship in social life: that drops down, that creates problems. So in relationship Right and Left Vishuddhi, both of them, play a very big part. Then comes the Sahasrara. You know Sahasrara, what it is. People want to judge me. They have a right to do it, I mean I cannot say no. You can judge me. You can do whatever you like. I mean, I cannot say that you don’t judge me. So we cannot say that you don’t judge me; I cannot say. You go on judging me. But what is the instrument you have got to judge me? I am such a camouflage; just a bubble and such a receding personality. How are you going to judge me? Is there a way? Is there any way of judging me? You can never catch me, anywhere! It’s a camouflage. Firstly I am prideless, I am egoless, I am actionless. Where are you going to catch me? On the contrary by all these attributes I create a problem for you, that I am a Mahamaya. You cannot understand a person who does not have pride. Because you all can talk to me very nicely, you can be very sweet and you can just sit next to me. And suddenly you come out with a remark which shows you are not conscious of whom you are talking to. Suddenly something you do where you are not conscious of it. Because I go on playing. I am extremely friendly with you, extremely nice to you, absolutely prideless. You see anybody who has even this much position in life, he has a nose like that. Mine is bent all the time! (laughter) Nothing but humour. And then how are you going to understand my position? You see there is no outside signs, there are no horns, there’s nothing that I could be a cinema star. I am too simple, too sweet. There is no way by which you can really feel that I am great. I am absolutely mundane, ordinary. But extraordinary of the ordinary I am. This is a thing which people do not understand. It’s alright for those who are not realised, excused. But you have felt the vibrations and your Realisation through me: I must be something. Put your attention like that, to understand. Must be a tremendous thing inside this body. It cannot be possible otherwise. It’s so obvious otherwise to you people. This is to be understood that, so far, Krishna, Christ, Rama, all of the them, nobody gave Self-realisation to people en-masse. They had other powers Samharashakti, like Krishna had, he could kill anybody like this. I have also all these powers hidden, but obviously I am a very simple, ordinary, mundane type of an Indian lady, finished! And Christ had a power to get Himself crucified. I too have that. But I am not going to do all that. I have a power to resurrect also. Why these powers are not used? One should understand. Because now the main attention is to raise the Kundalini and for that these powers are not required. Give Realisation to any number of people. What’s the use of getting crucified? Who is going to raise the Kundalini? I would like to wait. I mean, if I were at that time I would have said, “Alright, keep your cross for a while I will have it later on.” What’s the need, just now, to destroy people? Let’s see how many come around. So these powers are not required. Today the power of raising the Kundalini of thousands & thousands and millions & millions of people is required. And I am going to be just like you all my life: in the sense I am going to get old. I mean, today I should be old, I will be. I’ll be just like you. I am not going to do anything outside. It’s like a German car! But it is you, who has to know the power of the German car. It’s the best type! And once you realise that, that all is deliberately made like that...In the beginning of course, you cannot even understand it. It goes on, “How can it be? How can it be? She does this, She does that.” It goes on like that. But don’t judge me, because that’s not the way you will understand. Just realise and recognise that there has to be something tremendous. It was necessary to have someone like that to do this tremendous task. And it was necessary for you to be born, to be with me to help me. I know those who are with me; they’ll stand by me throughout. I may judge them a little here and there, but I know they’ll come round. They have to stand by me. Those who want to run away, they’ll run away, today or tomorrow, I know. I’ll try. I’ll try to get them round as far as possible. So, we come to collectivity, to understand that you are cells in my body and I have awakened you. If you degenerate, my body degenerates. You have seen that also. When you are sick, I am sick. In the sense I liberate more vibrations and I feel sick with that, because you can’t take it. When you take vibrations I feel very happy. But those who have faith in themselves can only understand this. Those who have superiority complex, or inferiority complex [cannot]. Complex means no faith in yourself. You should have faith in yourself that you are the chosen ones. You are really the people, specially made for this great work. It’s a tremendous thing that you are out for. Once you realise and recognise it you won’t bother about small, small things of life. It’s the quality in you that has to be nurtured and looked after, through collectivity. But collectivity of the Sahaj Yogis. I know those who have proper reactions to things. Some Sahaj Yogi is coming, they feel very happy, “Oh he’s coming!” You say, “There are five people who got Realisation,” they feel very happy. They will not shun. They’ll be happy to go all out to see a Sahaj Yogi, to meet a Sahaj Yogi, to do anything for a Sahaj Yogi. This is the sign of a Sahaj Yogi. A Sahaj Yogi in difficulty, he’ll go secretly and help, not just on money but anything. This is a new race that is coming up. Others are human beings, you are not. You are not human beings any more. You are Sahaj Yogis. It’s a different race. All over the world this race has to come up. So we have to build up ourselves in one group, in one understanding, in absolute unison. There should be no secrets, there should be no domination, everything should articulate, everyone should talk to each other, everyone should know what is happening with the what. You have to be absolutely frank, open with each other. Absolutely. Tell them your problems. “I catch on this, what to do? I catch on that, what to do? How to clear it out?” Not to feel shy. We have to enjoy ourselves. Also enjoy our weaknesses so that we clear them out. Laugh it out. If somebody has some habits - laugh it out. That’s the best way to do it. The difference between a human being and a Sahaj Yogi is the same as a human being and a drunk fellow. I’ll give you a joke of a drunkard: there were two drunkards who were drunk and went to a hotel. And they wanted to have a room for themselves. God knows what they wanted, they did not know. So they went and told the clerk that they would like to have two beds with a room. He didn’t understand you see. No, two rooms with a bed. So he said, “Alright you want to have a room with two beds. Alright.” So he opened a room and said these are the beds for you. So fully clothed as they were, they slept in the same bed. So one calls to another and says, “There’s somebody in my bed!” So the other one says, “I too have someone in my bed.” (laughter) So the first one says, “What should we do?” The second one says, “Let’s try to throw them out!” And there was a big struggle and lot of noise in the room. So the first one says “I’ve got him out.” The second one says, “But he has thrown me out!” (laughter) So the first one says “Alright, you can come and sleep with me,” because he’s thrown him out, so what to do? This is what they are! This is the difference. So what is the use of arguing with them and getting angry, getting into tensions. I mean they are blind! If you see a drunkard, run with the speed of five hundred miles per hour. That’s my principle. No use arguing with a mad man or a drunkard. Maybe mad man maybe alright, but a drunkard, till three hours he won’t digest his drinks. So that is what is the difference. They are drunk. They are drunk by power, drunk by money, drunk by that. Something is there. And you are filled with the light of God Almighty. That is what it is: the difference is. If you understand the difference, you will realise that no use fighting with these people. They are drunk. They are like that. If you talk to them, what can you say? I mean, they don’t understand you. They just don’t understand, so forget it. I will give you such tests and things by which you will come in contact with them, see them and get out of it, without any harm being done to you. It’s necessary. You have to touch them. You have to go near them. You have to be with them. But you are outside. I give such tests to people and that should work out! And I know you can, that’s why I give. I give such tests only to people about whom I’m sure that they’ll come out. Woth this, I think, we should decide today that, we all are going to live with one heart, one desire, with one head and with one liver, all of us. Let’s see how it works out. For example, you go to a hotel, five Sahaj Yogis. If one says, “I’ll have that,” everybody will have that. That’s the sign. No decisions are needed. Why waste energy on decisions, arguments? Whether you eat fish and chips or chips and fish is just the same. The quarrel is like that. A Sahaj Yogi does not waste his energies on these things. You have seen your Mother: no choices, just enjoyment. Where is the time to argue? When joy pouring in, let’s enjoy. May God bless you all! See, why is the problem? That you have a will, that anything else does not have the will. You have the will. And once you try to bring the will in tune with each other, you feel your ego is there and your ego hurts you. You don’t want to be, you don’t want to lose that. You think that, by doing so, you are becoming sub-normal. No! You are a realised-soul, and a realised-soul is something so unique that you cannot give a parallel to it. You cannot give a parallel. For example I can say, if there’s a wind blowing then all the trees move in the same way. But human beings, if the wind is blowing, supposing any wind is coming, somebody will go that way, somebody will go that way, because they have a will. But Sahaj Yogis, if the wind is blowing, all of them will put their heads against the wind and fight it. This is a thing which cannot be given any parallel because you are going above human things. So far never such a thing has existed. You are such unique creations that I cannot compare you with anything that was below, or I should say, which was not of this level. The level is different. So when you do everything the same way, you are doing it because you are aware of that collectivity, of the Primordial Being within you, that’s why you are doing. This transition is the point which you should catch. That’s something I feel, that when you start giving any analogies and all that, how can you give an analogy for something that never existed before, never? Atula, which cannot be compared. That’s one of the names of the Goddess. So, I cannot give you analogies, but I can make you understand that if your Spirit is awakened - in everybody is the Spirit which is a collective being – then you do it because your Spirit does it. You don’t care for ego, superego and all these nonsensical things, which are barriers in the growth of living collectivity. Now you have become livingly collective and you cannot be happy [otherwise]. You are that. It’s a new being that is within you. So you cannot. If you try to do something else, you will not like it, because this time is not your ego but your Spirit. As before this you listened to your ego and were happy with it, now you will be happy if you listen to your Spirit. Because now you have become the Spirit. It’s a very unique situation. You are the Spirit. And when you are the Spirit, then you become different. What analogy can I give? Then the responsibility is more also to understand that, when you say yes, another says yes. See in saying yes, you will feel happy. Supposing you say “fish & chips”, another says, “fish & chips”, another will say “fish & chips” Everybody will say the same. “Let’s go to the right!” “Let’s go to the right!” “Let’s go to the right!” Everybody will say. Unless and until there is somebody who knows the job and says, “No, no. Right is not, the way. Left let’s go.” Everybody should know that he knows the way. “Yes, let’s go to the left.” Arguments will fizzle out, because you are in unison. In the second half I’ll have to tell you about the nourishment of Sahaj Yoga. That will be the second half. But the first half is the basics, which I have talked to you. So, you would like them to come for lunch also? Yogi: Yes Mother. (end of recording)
11/20/1980	http://amruta.org/?p=6697	The Myth of Ego	England	Hampstead	Reviewed	null	null	null	null	Y	N	N	Public Program	English	60	Public Program, “The Myth of Ego”. Hampstead, London (UK), 20 November 1980. I am told that already somebody has spoken about Me, perhaps Me or Sahaja Yoga as well and I am sure you must have understood why we are here. Sahaja Yoga is an eternal process which is not. Today, it has started. It has been on, and on and on. Like, I started from My house, then I have to avoid some traffic, terrible traffic on Park Lane. You know, it’s a bottleneck, and I have been always thinking how to get rid of it, what one could do to stop this bottleneck. So, to avoid it, you enter into another road, take another road. You find there is another bottleneck, because somebody, some celebrity, is passing that way. Like that, you try to avoid all these roads. When you start moving you think you have reached there much ahead of time and you may have to wait outside the hall, while you find you land up at that place little late. This whole process is to arrive here and to talk to you. The whole thing is, based on one basic event that I have to reach. In the same way the whole process of our creation is based on one thing, that is, you have to meet your Divine self. Of course, as I said, there’s traffic, there’s a problem, there are hindrances, sometimes [unclear]it’s part of being, but it works. You reach the place, somehow. So, Sahaja is all the journey through and it is spontaneous. All this happening has been spontaneous. Yoga is the point where you meet, where you meet your Divine self, you see. So, all these journeys, everybody’s, everybody’s doing, because they think they knew [unclear], will be if they get a Parliament seat. The other day, I happened to meet many Parliamentarians, and some of your Ministers and Opposition Leaders and things, and they were not aware of the news that you have to meet yourself, Divine self. They have not met. They were not at all aware that this work is done in this great country of England. They were worried about other things, like Laborites were pulling the legs of the Conservative people and the Conservative were pulling the legs of the Labor. It’s a big joke was on. They were not aware. They’re seeking power. Then I met there lots of people also who were very rich. Women were wearing all the diamonds of the world and everything and all that, big economic development, you see, and they, it was about the two Indo-British associations, so, how to make these two countries meet and what they can do to help [unclear: sounds like Indians or England], and none of them, neither Indians nor British, could say that India could also help, in a way, because they were seeking, still, the economic development. India is now developing economically. See, we are getting sophisticated. We are learning how to use plastics and nylons. While you are a category of people, you are different category. You are not seeking power. You are not seeking money. You are seeking your Self. You are seeking something, which may be unknown to you. Maybe you are not sure about it. Maybe you do not have full idea as to what you are seeking, maybe. Maybe you are side-tracked. Maybe you have gone to the wrong path. Maybe you are mislaid, carried away. Whatever it is, but you are a category different. You can see the joke behind all this seeking of other people. That is definite. If you have not yet come to that conclusion and if you still think that all these things are very, very important, then still you may get little bit turn round and look back, as if I have left some luggage behind. Now we are here to seek our selves. This idea didn’t occur to anyone. Only one gentleman somehow remarked that we have a very rich heritage from India. But it is not that you have. We are complimentary people. Nobody realized that we are complementary to you. We can’t exist without you and you can’t exist without us. And this is, they do not realize, while you realize that there is something lacking which we have to get from others, and they realize that there is something lacking in them that they have to get from you. Now, this understanding … [Mother pauses to arrange seating for latecomers] The category of seeking, or the seekers in the west, is a very fortunate category [unclear]. They are very fortunate, because the atmosphere is now filled with the understanding that all these ventures, whatever we have had, have led us to nowhere. We have not achieved what we wanted to achieve. You are very fortunate that you are already satiated. You are over-satisfied. Like, you have a very heavy meal and then somebody asks you, “What would you like to have?” Then you’ll say, “It’s better not to eat, but if I have to eat, let me have some rustic bread. That would be better. I’ve had enough,” as we say that after having a heavy meal, we want to eat kicharee. This is absolutely the most ordinary that the villagers eat, you see, absolutely unsophisticated. That’s what has happened to you people. You are very fortunate, and the atmosphere is also built up, and a sort of a fashion is prevailing, that you are seekers. It’s very good to have such a fashion around, you know that you are seekers. You don’t have to quarrel with your society. If you say you are a seeker, you’re respected. It’s a very good thing. It’s really a great, great boon on you, that you are seeking. And such groups of people are much better than individuals in a society, which is trying to develop onto your life. Go up to the cusp, fall into the ditch, and then come back. Now you have known that all our ventures have led us, not to happiness, but to unhappiness. The others are following you. They are going to bring up the rear, as I said. But, you are the people who have to look back and tell them, “Now, you better be alert, because we have done a mistake. Now, you people who are trying to follow us have to learn that you do not fall into the same trap that we have been. Don’t run after plastics, but run after the living Spirit within. Perhaps when I speak to you, you may not realize, because you people have fantastic ideas about India and England, but the conditions are there. England is today one of the best place for seeking. Jerusalem has started in England. In England and in Hampstead, it was declared that Jerusalem will be built in England. He lived in Hampstead, and his vibrations have created, really, the foundations for that Jerusalem which you people have to make, with this understanding that you are the people who are the category of seekers, that you are, according to me, the best placed, as far as your seeking is concerned, in this turmoil and in this darkness, where you see that this is darkness, that you are aware about it, that you can really circulate through the media of your country and your language to other people, the advent of Sahaja Yoga, which is really the only method by which you are going to get to your realization. They all say the same thing. If you talk to anybody American, he says, “I’m twice born”. Any American is a twice born. He thinks he is born in America; he’s twice born. They think that American soil itself gives you the second birth. It’s surprising, but anybody you talk to, the President, is twice born. The Vice President is twice born. Everybody is twice born, and perhaps all the refugees who are there must be also twice born, the way they think about. But they have no idea as to what to expect when you are twice born, and they are having a very simple type of a ego trip, and this subtle type of ego trip, I think, we can avoid by understanding that ego becomes subtler and subtler, the subtler we become. It attacks the reality, every time by which you run away and thrown away from the reality. That’s the work of Ego is. For us to see that the time has come to become one with the Divine is rather difficult. Why? Why should it be difficult, that the time has come? Have you ever known so many people, sitting down before Christ, asking for their realization, anybody? Did anyone ask for their realization in the whole of the Bible, anywhere? Did anyone ask Christ that He should baptize someone? Just think of it! What is the situation today, is that you have so many of them asking for their self-realization. I don’t say that you were not misled. I don’t say you don’t understand. That’s said. But see the awareness, to what point it has come. So why not? This is the time to get realization. The first Ego’s attempt is to tell you, “Oh, the time has not come.” Because Ego does not want you to accept, really, your self-esteem. It doesn’t want you to accept that you have that capacity to receive God’s blessing, that you should get your realization. So, the first question comes to you, “How can it be?” Now, why not? The first-time question should be asked, to your Mr. Ego, “Why not?” Second, “How can it be available to Me?” was said. There are some people who came to see Me. One gentleman who was in India, who was sort of trying to help people out, he came to see Me and who got realization. He’s an Indian., He’s a son of a rich man. So he started an organization, serving these people, guiding them, this, that. He came to see Me and he knows many people here, and he said that, “Mother, I think the people are not yet ready for Sahaja Yoga”. I said, “What makes you think like that?” He says, “Because they say, ‘How can that be so easy? How can we get it? We are not ready. We are frightened.’ “. I said, “At least, do you have faith in Sahaja Yoga, or not?” He says, “I have”. “Then do you have faith in its powers, or not?” “I have.” “Then, why? Let us test whether they get it or not.” Why are they worried? Before coming into the hall, do you try to find out that what will be the wall’s colour? Do you find out what will be the paneling of the hall, before coming inside? You come inside, see for yourself what’s the colour, how it looks like. That is what it is. Instead of that, at the door people are standing, “Oh, we are thinking whether we should get inside or not, because we don’t know what sort of a colour it has.” What do you call such people? STU All right? And that’s what it is. The ego makes you really lacking. Ego really stupefies you in the sense that it makes you stupid. The more you listen in to your Ego, the more you will find you become stupid. Now, what is stupidity is not yet defined in any dictionary, but we can understand with our commonsense what is stupid. And all kinds of stupid things you have seen in your life, and you have discarded them because you are seekers. If you were not seekers, you would have been somewhere else, not here. You would have ended up with some sort of a horn, as I have seen many people carrying, but you are still here. You have thrown away all these horns and you are still here, thinking that you have not yet found out. So, one has to be careful about this Mister Ego, which really makes you absolutely stupid. And there are stories and stories in the Indian scriptures, everywhere, how a stupid man thinks that he’s the wisest. And that’s what one has to know, that when you think you are too wise, you must try to think, “Am I stupid?” So, I said, you ask a question to yourself, “Why not? Why not I at this time get realization?” If I say the time has come, you should be happy to know about it, but I’ve seen fifty percent people become unhappy, because I say the time has come. And when I say that you can get your realization just now, the rest of the fifty percent get more unhappy, thinking that, “How can it be? How can Mother say such a thing? It is silly to say that you can get your realization”. This is the advice of Mr Ego again, because it does not know your Self. It’s an artificial thing, which is within you, which is giving you artificial ideas. He has no idea as to how you have developed, from what amoeba stage you have been brought, how we have been brought to this stage, and how in this process of Sahaja you are today just ready to have your realization. It does not know that. The only one that knows is your Kundalini, your Mother. She sits in the triangular bone there and She rises to give you realization. She’s just waiting. She’s just to be risen and She does it. Somebody asked me, “How much time?” I said, “How much time does it take for to switch on this light?” They said, “Maybe, split of a second.” I said, “The one thousandth of a split of a second you can count. One thousandth part of that you can count.” The Kundalini takes just lifts up, that [snaps fingers]. But again, for example, in my mind from Victoria, was on you in a second, but my car would not move. So, maybe that Kundalini is there already in her mind but the body doesn’t move, because there are obstructions and there is some sort of a hindrance, which is causing this thing. Doesn’t matter. Have faith! But Ego is speedy. Ego gives you speed. When you speak, you speak telescopically. One word enters into another, you think ahead of time, always ahead of time. It happens with people who are speedy, that they arrive at the station at a time where the first train is about to leave and the second hasn’t arrived, and they reach the time at the station because they have calculated and how calculations have failed. All such speedy things come to us, and we have no patience with ourselves. So, when the Ego is teaching you that, you have to be sure about it, how can you get your realization, and all these nonsensical things. At the same time when it sees that the realization is not achieved, it gives you another lesson. It has failed; it has not worked. Such contradictory things Ego works out and that’s why there is confusion and this is the age of confusion because of Mr Ego trying to play tricks with us. It gives you one idea, and then another idea, and between the two you are standing between the two stools and don’t know which side you are going to fall off and which one is going to slip out soon. These are the blessings of Ego on us. The sooner we get rid of it, the better. But when you try to get rid of it also, it’s not easy, because the more you try to beat it, it swells up. It’s like a balloon. If you release the balloon; it swells up. The only way is to know the reality, so it goes down by itself. The whole idea, the myth, falls off. The myth of Ego falls off, you see. Like a person who is going by an aeroplane suddenly starts thinking that, “I am driving the aeroplane”. He puts up his hands like this and he starts doing, I mean, like a child or a stupid fellow. Egoistical people, as I said, can become like that. He starts, “Oh, I am driving the plane”. So, what happens is, you see, they start guiding the pilot [unclear] maybe, “Why should he do like this?” and, “Why doesn’t he do like this?” and all sorts of things start. And then suddenly they find that they cannot manage the plane. They find that the plane just lands on its tail or somewhere. The person is completely jammed and he cannot manage. When they find themselves into difficulties, then they start wondering, “What have I been thinking? Why it has happened there? Was I wrong?” That is the time when the Ego will give you another suggestion, by which you will put the blame on Mr Pilot and not on you. So, again the Ego’s play will start in that fashion, by which you will be again lost. Why I’m saying that? Because Ego plays a very, very subtle obstruction in Sahaja Yoga. One has to be careful about it to begin with. To overcome this, now here you see on the right-hand side this yellow line is the one, is the one, which gives us the power of action by which we act. We act through our physical being, through our mental being. So, it looks after our physical and mental being. It gives rise to the Ego on the left-hand side, as you see, and this left side Ego is the problem of today because it covers the whole of the head sometimes, so much so that Kundalini cannot pierce through. Now, on the left-hand side that you see, is the power of our desire. It’s the blue line is shown, is the power of our desire. By this you get your Superego, all your conditionings. Whatever has been your desire, your past, whatever you have been asking for, and whatever has been hidden within you, is all expressed in that blue stuff there, called as Superego. Now, when the people of your category, which are superior most people of any nation, who are the subtlest in any nation whatsoever, whether they are here or in Tehran or in China, just the same, they are the people who can see that this horrible thing like Ego is before us. They can see it clearly. First, they see it in others and then they start seeing the reflection within themselves. So, they take to another side, run away from it, run away from reality. All this is, start an anti-culture movement. This culture is nonsensical. They can see it. Why do they do it? Because they can see it. Is so artificial. All this artificiality they can see. So, they think they will take to something else, by which you run away from this Ego, but actually, you cannot run away from it. You run away to the other side called as Superego on the left-hand side it moves, but actually in the head it is more on the right hand side. This Superego is nourished by all our lethargic acts. For example, “We are lethargic”. When I came here, I was surprised. Some of those people told me that, “I’m successfully unemployed”. I got a shock of my life. I said, “Now, what sort of a people I am chasing there?” They think it’s a success to be unemployed. I said, “It’s a problem”. And, that was the Superego speaking. “Why should we work? Why do we need more money? What is the need to work? Why to have action?” Just sit down and dream. Take some nice drugs. Go on top of a hill. Take the drug. Lie down there and just think you are in Heaven, finished. Imagination. That also has worked out. People are out of it now. They are understanding that’s not the way to achieve reality. So, from Ego to Superego, the future yogis have been moving. The seekers are the future yogis and they have been wobbling from one to another. It’s a dangerous game both ways, no doubt, but you are seekers, and they are respected, loved and looked after and protected, and they achieve what they are asking for. They achieve it. They have to achieve because behind all these games is the Divine Power, which has worked it out so well, so beautifully. He has made you human being, and is not going to fail, when it has to give you that super human power. That is the power of your Spirit that lies within your heart. That has to manifest. Now, you have your own concepts because of, Ego has concepts. Always Ego will give you concepts about everything. That’s why, because these concepts never fit in with the reality. Christ was crucified, because according to them Christ should have been born to Herod, not to Mary. According to them it was too humble for God to be born like that. So, they crucified Him. The concepts that this Ego tries to give you can be very dangerous, too, about everything, about seeking, about realization, about everything. It gives you concepts, means it closes your doors to reality. Keep yourself open to see what it is really, than to have a conception. So, because of this wobbling people have started conceiving things in imaginary world. Sometimes they move to the right or to the left, and they start imagining, “Oh, this means that. This means that. This means that”, and this imagination is so dangerous. Recently, we have had a big accident [ unclear ] in Brighton. One gentleman came, and told them that he was Mr Michael or whatever it is. People started believing he was St Michael. Imagination starts coming up and can be very dangerous. Now, the whole Ego and Superego play becomes imaginary. How long are we going to live with imagination? We have to face reality. And reality is beauty. Reality is joy. It is knowledge. It is the thing you have to have. How long are you going to be satisfied with the artificial thing? You are not. So, what is the reality? How are we to seek it and how are we to receive it? Do not have conceptions. When you were amoeba did you have any conception how human being is going to look? Did you have any conception about how Sahaja Yoga is going to work out in England? Do you have any conception, even today, how the whole world is going to be transformed? All these conceptions are conjectures. They are not the conceptions of the reality, because you are not there from where you can see and there is a difference between one and another. All these writers, I find somebody saying, “This is the truth”, another is saying, “This is the truth”, a third one is saying, “This is the truth”, the psychologists are saying, “This is the truth.” There is nothing common in them, and this is the problem for us to read them. One person you read, then you read another, and the third. It’s better to go to lunatic asylum these days, than to go in the library and read any book. At least there you will get treated for your troubles while you’ll get lunatic if you go to these libraries. It’s that mad. And the more you read, the more confused you get. This confusion is necessary, because without confusion you are not going to seek in the right direction. The earnestness goes up to the point of absolute emergency when the confusion is at its highest. You feel that now or never. You feel so desperate at that moment that if we are lost in this confusion, we are lost forever and something has to happen within us or something we have to face, or to know or to realize within us. Otherwise, we are finished. Such an emergency, when it comes into your mind, that’s the point for Sahaja Yoga, and there the light comes in. That emergency is settled down already, everywhere in your mind itself because mind is running with the speed of five hundred miles per hour. You cannot stop. It’s mad, the way you think, you know. I told you there was a doctor in Switzerland he came, “Mother, do anything. You can cut my throat or you can take out any part of my mouth or face, or anything that you want to do, but stop thinking. My thinking is horrible.” That’s why you are very fortunate, very fortunate, that you belong to that category and the whole situation is so emergent and you are such fighters and such brave people that I’m sure you will get out of it and you’ll save many more. Supposing such a situation arrives in India. Most of them will commit suicide, I can tell you. They’ll just shun. They won’t be able to understand. Anyone like that goes there, they’ll think, “Oh, he’s mad. Put him somewhere out, finished. We have nothing to do”. They’ll never fight it out, because they’re not used to this kind of a thing, this kind of a struggle, this kind of a complete emergence of all the problems of the world on them. All these problems are bombarded on you through different media. You see the whole world going into a shock. They don’t feel this. They are ignorant. They don’t know anything about what’s happening. Anybody today who is aware is feeling the emergency of something happening to us. Something has to happen. They are aware that unless and until this happens, you cannot be saved. Atomic energy problem. There’s another one, the wars are going on. Earthquakes are coming. People are saying that all the stars are going to fall into one line. Everybody’s feeling there’s going to be something horrible. The reason is the Last Judgement has started. It has started, and you have to go through it. You are going to judge yourself. There is God within you, which is going to judge you, and you are going to be chosen by your own efforts, and you are going to help others, many many thousands of them, to be light. A certain number is needed. That’s all. For every, every evolution a certain number was needed to create a complete explosion. A certain number is needed and you are one of them who are the first to get it. So, here is your Kundalini, which all of you have. Except for demonic people, everybody has the Kundalini. The Kundalini exists within you, which you can see with your naked eyes in many people, which rises through all these centers, which are within you and pierces your fontanelle bone area. Only what I do, is I tell you what it is. For example, on your fingers if you get cool breeze, what does it mean? If you get all these fingers burning, what does it mean? If you get a particular finger burning more, what does it mean? I just decode it for you. Secondly, I am like a candle, which was enlightened first and now I enlighten you. You can enlighten other candles. Ego can also start saying, “Why She?” It’s a very common thing. “Why you?” Once a doctor asked me “Why you?” I said, “You please come here. I’ll be very happy. If you can raise the Kundalini, I’ll be very happy to retire sir, because it’s, it’s better to retire now”. I mean, you get somebody like that, nothing like it. I mean, I would become a disciple of anybody who can raise the Kundalini. They may say it. They may talk about it. If they could do it, nothing like it. Oh, I would retire. I’m looking forward to My retirement. I don’t know when it will be, but that’s the thing, it is. You see, it has been given to Me to do this job. Now what am I to do? I can’t understand. So that you do not feel hurt. And also, I have a role of a mother, a mother who bears up everything. Everybody tries to crucify Me. It’s not a question of one crucifixion. I have seen many coming and being very rude to Me, shouting at Me, screaming at Me, doing all kinds of things, saying things against Me. It’s all right. But I am Mother. Everything I know because you are children. That’s why you are seeking, but you will be all right. I know that you’ll be all right. But it is better to be wise and to get your realization, to understand the wiser you are, the easier it is for you to mature. You have to mature faster and faster with your wisdom and discretion. Regarding your realization, nothing can be promised to anyone. There is no promise. You know, there is no enrolment. There is no fees, nothing. Like the trees, they do not enroll themselves somewhere, that, “Oh God, oh, give us the sun, sun’s rays, so that we come up”. The sun is shining and all the trees are blessed. Some do not get the blessings; some do get it. Some die at the grass stage, some grow up, become heavily laden with fruits, which they distribute to others, and people say, “All right, this tree has come up”. They do not say that the sun has done anything; they just take it for granted. In the same way Sahaja Yoga is working out. It’s just very simple, is natural. There is, you cannot pay for it. How much do we pay to the sun or to the Mother Earth for giving us all that She is giving us? We are giving to all intermediaries, you see, who have created economic problems for us. But do the direct people we don’t give anything. The real sources we don’t pay anything. In the same way, you cannot pay anything for it. It’s so natural. It works out. It helps you and you help others. This is what has to happen to most of the human beings. But first to the number I was telling you which is required, and they have to be sensible, wise, open people who have self-esteem. It’s not meant for useless, frivolous, nonsensical. So, one has to understand that as you are seekers, you have discarded many things which looked nonsensical to you, and today is the time for you to receive for which you have discarded all that: the sense of your being; the meaning; the purpose of your being; why you have come on this Earth; everything; all the knowledge of the world; everything for which you have come, for which you were created; the whole universe; the stars. They are going now to Saturn. Why Saturn was created? What is Saturn? It’s not even the dust particle of God Almighty’s feet. What has happened? It’s one of the seats of one of the centres. It’s here, and the Vishudhi Chakra is made out of Saturn, and the circle round it is nothing but the Sudarshan Chakra, as described, of Shri Krishna, because Shri Krishna resides. Now, what will they know about it? How are we to talk to them? You see, they have to become realized souls, to know whether it is true or not, because there is no way of judging it. By your imagination you cannot judge it. You have to know it through your feelings. This is what happens to you when you get realization, that you get the cool breeze in your hands. All your fingers get enlightened. Your palm gets enlightened, and your base of the palm. All of them are centres. Seven centres are there, these five, six and seven, and they all get enlightened, by which you know what it’s for. Also, you know if this is the truth or not, because if it is the truth the vibration comes very much more. When it is the falsehood, it stops. There are so many permutations and combinations of these feelings, which you learn, and you become a person. You become again and again. You become a person of a new awareness, in which you start perceiving things through your feeling, as reality. For example, the one person is sitting here, and if ten Sahaja Yogis are trying on that person, they’ll say the same thing about them. One gentleman came and asked me, “Mother, why everybody is asking me, ‘What about your father?'” I said, “All right, what about your father?” I also asked. He said, “He died suddenly and I was [unclear: sounds like with him, or this thing]”. I said, “Then, that part is little bit showing.” “He said, “How do You know?” I said,” You will also know later,” but he said, “Tell me, how do You know?” I said, “Very simple. If this finger is burning, that means your father’s finger is something wrong”. Everybody’s this finger is burning. Whether it is a child or a big person, they’ll ask, “What about the father?” Now, you tell about your father’s problem, and there is a way of correcting this problem. If you correct it, immediately you get your realization. It’s that simple. It’s everything is so simple in life. If you to see someone, what do you do? Do you think about it? You just see. In the same way, when you get your realization, what do you do? You just feel. It’s a vibratory awareness. Then you just start to feel within yourself. They have started feeling it. You see a person, you know it’s that. He may tell you lies. Doesn’t matter; you know this [unclear]. You may not tell that person diplomatically, not to hurt the person, but you know this is the problem. But it’s better if somebody tells you. Be thankful. Get rid of it. Not to be angry. Last of all, I have to tell you, because you have some who have come for the first time, that you can be misled. There could be a guru, so-called, who might have misled you. Or there could be somebody who might have misled you. Still, because you are naive, maybe you might not have understood it. But if somebody tells you that your Void is catching, there’s a wrong guru. Better tell the name. It’s better to get rid of it than to have it there because your realization is difficult, and even if you get your realization the Kundalini will suck back. It’s better to tell and understand how to get rid of it. After all, Sahaja Yoga is only concerned with your wellbeing, and not the wellbeing of all the crooks of the world. Because people have an objection sometimes to Me, saying that She criticizes others. Do you mean to say that I could sit here and praise Mr Hitler or someone, who is even worse than that? You need courage to face these horrible people. Only a Mother can do it. And I have to tell, and I will tell on the top of my worst, that these devils and these negative forces, which are trying to drag down My children, are going to be doomed and they are going to go to hell. But you give them up as soon as possible. I’m not afraid of them. That’s one thing you should know. They are afraid of Me. May God bless you all!! Can you ask Me any questions? If you want to you can ask a question.??? Any questions, please? You are thoughtless just now. Kundalini has gone up. Most of you cannot think of a question. I’m sorry, but she shot up. What am I to do? She is so anxious to shot up, than to ask questions, that she’s gone out. What am I to do? You got it, most of you have? Try to think. That’s it. You will see. [Audience: question inaudible] That’s called the Void. That’s the stomach. That’s the void. We call it as Void, but not the Zen style Void. We call it the Void because that’s the place where all the Masters were, the Ten Masters. All our Ten Commandments create this Void, in the stomach, in the [unclear]. Now, for this I would advise you, there’s a book, which is written about Me by a Swiss - French, gentleman, which is actually in English, and there are some papers they have got, which you go through. It’s quite a lot of it. And there are at least three hundred tapes, I think, with Douglas. I don’t know how many there are. I have no number now, but you can see all that, and everything you need, because in one lecture, I cannot cover every point again [unclear]. All right? All this requires explanation. For I would say like this, that if you come in this room and it’s dark, you just say, “Put on the light”. So you’ll ask me, “Where is the switch?” Just put on the light and then you can ask something else, isn’t it? First of all, have the light. Then we’ll talk about it. It’s a headache, I tell you, to talk about it. Before realization, it’s a headache. It’s like groping. [Audience: Is there anything that can interfere with the vibration? Anything that can distort the vibration? If you are mesmerized, that’s a different point altogether. If you are mesmerized, then maybe you may just think you are. You see, you go into an imaginary world, isn’t it? You get into an imagination. But that rarely happens. If it happens, you see, it has a reaction on you. You start vomiting and you get all kind of nausea feeling. Within two or three days you get out of it. I mean, you know that is something wrong. But it seldom happens. You see, if somebody attacks you like that, mesmerism. With some people it does happen, but one has to be careful. Normally, there cannot be, because this is pure knowledge. This is purity. Is pure knowledge. You will be amazed. Even if your Chakras are catching, your centers are catching, you are not a perfect person yet, according to Sahaja Yoga, there are different stages into which you rise, and you might not have reached to your best stage so far. Still, you’ll be surprised you can give realization to people; you can raise the Kundalini; you can correct the Chakras; you can cure the people. Minimum of minimum you can always cure. You can do all that. Despite like you see, you have a car, which is new, absolutely new, first class Rolls Royce. Or, you can have a car, say, 1850 or something, it’s still called new, you see. Second-hand, third-hand, fourth-hand, fifth-hand, like that you can have many cars. You see, once my husband asked someone from France. She came to see Me. He said, “I can’t understand why She has given you realization. Why are you bothered now about it? Why can’t you rise yourself?” So, she said that, he deals with ships, so she said that, “Supposing there are third-hand ships then it is to be mended again and again. He said, “That’s true.” So, it depends how. But still it moves. You have to correct yourself. You have to improve. You start enjoying it. Then you are not bothered. You see yourself away from it, and then you start enjoying it, you see. You think, oh, you don’t say, “My Ego has gone up”. You say, “Mother, my Agnya. Agnya is troubling me.” Actually, they say like that. You know your Ego. Right Agnya, means Ego, but you don’t say otherwise, “Oh, I’m egoistical”. Or if I say to somebody, “You are egoistical,” I’ll ask for something else, see? So, it just happens. You start seeing all these things even in yourself, and then you don’t mind because you are out of it. You don’t mind, at all. You correct yourself. But, as I said, you have to nourish yourself properly, in collectivity. Go on rising into it; then there are less chances. Even little deviations take place, you see sometimes, but they steady down. It’s like learning a cycle. You know, how you learn a cycle. You know, first you fall down once or twice and then you get on top of it again. Then you start balancing. Then you have a discretion. It’s like that. But before realization, before buying your cycle, you don’t worry about it. That will be done. But later on, when you have to ride it, then you have to be careful and to understand and learn it yourself and be a master. You have to become master of your Kundalini and Kundalini of others. It can be. There are already in London and there are many others in India, all over the world, they are masters of knowledge. Can you imagine two people who came from Australia have given realization to two hundred people in Australia? Two hundred people in Australia, two people have given realization. You can master it, because you are a master as well. Sounds very fantastic, isn’t it, but just think from amoebic stage you have become this. Isn’t it fantastic? Little bit is left, you see, little bit more. Very little, last journey is just breaking through It’s just there, so beautiful it is. Enter it! Enter into the Kingdom of God. It’s your place. See now, is it cool coming in your hand? Now, don’t think about it, because I put down. See, I can screw up your Agnya so you can’t think. Up to that I can do. But then I allow you to think also. It’s a play, because I have to judge you. Don’t think. Just don’t think. That is the first mantra: don’t think. How many have come for the first time today? Please raise your hands. Good. How many of you are feeling cool breeze in your hands, those who have come for the first time? Or not feeling cool breeze, let us say. Those who are not feeling cool breeze…. at all. Are you feeling cool breeze? Good. You are not feeling as yet? Don’t think. Now, are you not feeling cool breeze? You are? No, behind you. Not yet? Are you feeling any cool breeze in the hand? Was it tingling? Some sensation? What about anybody else? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Are you? Not yet. Are you feeling? No, I think his feet are … You tell him to put the feet down. That will be better, yes. It will work out. Yes, that’s all right. You can put anyway. You put your hands like this. Those who are not feeling the breeze please raise your hand. Honestly. Raise them high. Please raise them high. It’s very important. All of you, who are not feeling the cool breeze, not the sensation. Now, please work on them. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Are you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Now, please raise your hands again? Can you see them? Just see, all of you. Now, those who can help. Now see, they were just like you; now they can help you. Now come along. Take him also. He’s got cool breeze. You teach him. Paul? You take him with you. Now good. Now next to him is the lady. Now see these two gentlemen here. Let’s see, now, how they work it out, you see. How it is managed, how it is maneuvered this power, which is flowing from their hands. This is their own power of their own Spirit. Did you come to me before, sometime? No. Don’t think. Those who are getting cool breeze, close your eyes. Now, close your eyes. Wait. You are not getting cool breeze. Can you work on him? Just see [unclear]. Now, those who are feeling cool breeze just close your eyes and don’t think. That’s all. You have got it at the back in the corner? No, she has not got. One more person should go there. Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you? after a long time. How are you now? Good. What’s happened to Peter? Why didn’t he come? How are you [unclear] better. No after effects. I worked on Ray, just to get out all these effects and now how are you [unclear] better now. [unclear] I received a very nice letter where are they? Where is she? I received very nice letter; I am happy that I have seen it through. Alright! If there is any effects, put your left hand towards me and right hand outside, it will work out. Alright start, I know, sitting down here. Better now, close your eyes, close your eyes. You see what happens, if you don’t close the eyes the Kundalini does not pass through. Close your eyes. Let her come, let her come, don’t bother her. Come along, come along. Don’t bother her, let her come. She’s all right. Come, come, come. Give me a flower. What about a flower? That’s heart, center heart. Put left to the right. Raise left and put it to the right. Left side to the right. You all should talk in whispers, you see people there are people who are first time realized and they have to go deep down. They may be disturbed with sound [unclear] You may not be.	null	null	null	Public Program, “The Myth of Ego”. Hampstead, London (UK), 20 November 1980. I am told that already somebody has spoken about Me, perhaps Me or Sahaja Yoga as well and I am sure you must have understood why we are here. Sahaja Yoga is an eternal process which is not. Today, it has started. It has been on, and on and on. Like, I started from My house, then I have to avoid some traffic, terrible traffic on Park Lane. You know, it’s a bottleneck, and I have been always thinking how to get rid of it, what one could do to stop this bottleneck. So, to avoid it, you enter into another road, take another road. You find there is another bottleneck, because somebody, some celebrity, is passing that way. Like that, you try to avoid all these roads. When you start moving you think you have reached there much ahead of time and you may have to wait outside the hall, while you find you land up at that place little late. This whole process is to arrive here and to talk to you. The whole thing is, based on one basic event that I have to reach. In the same way the whole process of our creation is based on one thing, that is, you have to meet your Divine self. Of course, as I said, there’s traffic, there’s a problem, there are hindrances, sometimes [unclear]it’s part of being, but it works. You reach the place, somehow. So, Sahaja is all the journey through and it is spontaneous. All this happening has been spontaneous. Yoga is the point where you meet, where you meet your Divine self, you see. So, all these journeys, everybody’s, everybody’s doing, because they think they knew [unclear], will be if they get a Parliament seat. The other day, I happened to meet many Parliamentarians, and some of your Ministers and Opposition Leaders and things, and they were not aware of the news that you have to meet yourself, Divine self. They have not met. They were not at all aware that this work is done in this great country of England. They were worried about other things, like Laborites were pulling the legs of the Conservative people and the Conservative were pulling the legs of the Labor. It’s a big joke was on. They were not aware. They’re seeking power. Then I met there lots of people also who were very rich. Women were wearing all the diamonds of the world and everything and all that, big economic development, you see, and they, it was about the two Indo-British associations, so, how to make these two countries meet and what they can do to help [unclear: sounds like Indians or England], and none of them, neither Indians nor British, could say that India could also help, in a way, because they were seeking, still, the economic development. India is now developing economically. See, we are getting sophisticated. We are learning how to use plastics and nylons. While you are a category of people, you are different category. You are not seeking power. You are not seeking money. You are seeking your Self. You are seeking something, which may be unknown to you. Maybe you are not sure about it. Maybe you do not have full idea as to what you are seeking, maybe. Maybe you are side-tracked. Maybe you have gone to the wrong path. Maybe you are mislaid, carried away. Whatever it is, but you are a category different. You can see the joke behind all this seeking of other people. That is definite. If you have not yet come to that conclusion and if you still think that all these things are very, very important, then still you may get little bit turn round and look back, as if I have left some luggage behind. Now we are here to seek our selves. This idea didn’t occur to anyone. Only one gentleman somehow remarked that we have a very rich heritage from India. But it is not that you have. We are complimentary people. Nobody realized that we are complementary to you. We can’t exist without you and you can’t exist without us. And this is, they do not realize, while you realize that there is something lacking which we have to get from others, and they realize that there is something lacking in them that they have to get from you. Now, this understanding … [Mother pauses to arrange seating for latecomers] The category of seeking, or the seekers in the west, is a very fortunate category [unclear]. They are very fortunate, because the atmosphere is now filled with the understanding that all these ventures, whatever we have had, have led us to nowhere. We have not achieved what we wanted to achieve. You are very fortunate that you are already satiated. You are over-satisfied. Like, you have a very heavy meal and then somebody asks you, “What would you like to have?” Then you’ll say, “It’s better not to eat, but if I have to eat, let me have some rustic bread. That would be better. I’ve had enough,” as we say that after having a heavy meal, we want to eat kicharee. This is absolutely the most ordinary that the villagers eat, you see, absolutely unsophisticated. That’s what has happened to you people. You are very fortunate, and the atmosphere is also built up, and a sort of a fashion is prevailing, that you are seekers. It’s very good to have such a fashion around, you know that you are seekers. You don’t have to quarrel with your society. If you say you are a seeker, you’re respected. It’s a very good thing. It’s really a great, great boon on you, that you are seeking. And such groups of people are much better than individuals in a society, which is trying to develop onto your life. Go up to the cusp, fall into the ditch, and then come back. Now you have known that all our ventures have led us, not to happiness, but to unhappiness. The others are following you. They are going to bring up the rear, as I said. But, you are the people who have to look back and tell them, “Now, you better be alert, because we have done a mistake. Now, you people who are trying to follow us have to learn that you do not fall into the same trap that we have been. Don’t run after plastics, but run after the living Spirit within. Perhaps when I speak to you, you may not realize, because you people have fantastic ideas about India and England, but the conditions are there. England is today one of the best place for seeking. Jerusalem has started in England. In England and in Hampstead, it was declared that Jerusalem will be built in England. He lived in Hampstead, and his vibrations have created, really, the foundations for that Jerusalem which you people have to make, with this understanding that you are the people who are the category of seekers, that you are, according to me, the best placed, as far as your seeking is concerned, in this turmoil and in this darkness, where you see that this is darkness, that you are aware about it, that you can really circulate through the media of your country and your language to other people, the advent of Sahaja Yoga, which is really the only method by which you are going to get to your realization. They all say the same thing. If you talk to anybody American, he says, “I’m twice born”. Any American is a twice born. He thinks he is born in America; he’s twice born. They think that American soil itself gives you the second birth. It’s surprising, but anybody you talk to, the President, is twice born. The Vice President is twice born. Everybody is twice born, and perhaps all the refugees who are there must be also twice born, the way they think about. But they have no idea as to what to expect when you are twice born, and they are having a very simple type of a ego trip, and this subtle type of ego trip, I think, we can avoid by understanding that ego becomes subtler and subtler, the subtler we become. It attacks the reality, every time by which you run away and thrown away from the reality. That’s the work of Ego is. For us to see that the time has come to become one with the Divine is rather difficult. Why? Why should it be difficult, that the time has come? Have you ever known so many people, sitting down before Christ, asking for their realization, anybody? Did anyone ask for their realization in the whole of the Bible, anywhere? Did anyone ask Christ that He should baptize someone? Just think of it! What is the situation today, is that you have so many of them asking for their self-realization. I don’t say that you were not misled. I don’t say you don’t understand. That’s said. But see the awareness, to what point it has come. So why not? This is the time to get realization. The first Ego’s attempt is to tell you, “Oh, the time has not come.” Because Ego does not want you to accept, really, your self-esteem. It doesn’t want you to accept that you have that capacity to receive God’s blessing, that you should get your realization. So, the first question comes to you, “How can it be?” Now, why not? The first-time question should be asked, to your Mr. Ego, “Why not?” Second, “How can it be available to Me?” was said. There are some people who came to see Me. One gentleman who was in India, who was sort of trying to help people out, he came to see Me and who got realization. He’s an Indian., He’s a son of a rich man. So he started an organization, serving these people, guiding them, this, that. He came to see Me and he knows many people here, and he said that, “Mother, I think the people are not yet ready for Sahaja Yoga”. I said, “What makes you think like that?” He says, “Because they say, ‘How can that be so easy? How can we get it? We are not ready. We are frightened.’ “. I said, “At least, do you have faith in Sahaja Yoga, or not?” He says, “I have”. “Then do you have faith in its powers, or not?” “I have.” “Then, why? Let us test whether they get it or not.” Why are they worried? Before coming into the hall, do you try to find out that what will be the wall’s colour? Do you find out what will be the paneling of the hall, before coming inside? You come inside, see for yourself what’s the colour, how it looks like. That is what it is. Instead of that, at the door people are standing, “Oh, we are thinking whether we should get inside or not, because we don’t know what sort of a colour it has.” What do you call such people? STU All right? And that’s what it is. The ego makes you really lacking. Ego really stupefies you in the sense that it makes you stupid. The more you listen in to your Ego, the more you will find you become stupid. Now, what is stupidity is not yet defined in any dictionary, but we can understand with our commonsense what is stupid. And all kinds of stupid things you have seen in your life, and you have discarded them because you are seekers. If you were not seekers, you would have been somewhere else, not here. You would have ended up with some sort of a horn, as I have seen many people carrying, but you are still here. You have thrown away all these horns and you are still here, thinking that you have not yet found out. So, one has to be careful about this Mister Ego, which really makes you absolutely stupid. And there are stories and stories in the Indian scriptures, everywhere, how a stupid man thinks that he’s the wisest. And that’s what one has to know, that when you think you are too wise, you must try to think, “Am I stupid?” So, I said, you ask a question to yourself, “Why not? Why not I at this time get realization?” If I say the time has come, you should be happy to know about it, but I’ve seen fifty percent people become unhappy, because I say the time has come. And when I say that you can get your realization just now, the rest of the fifty percent get more unhappy, thinking that, “How can it be? How can Mother say such a thing? It is silly to say that you can get your realization”. This is the advice of Mr Ego again, because it does not know your Self. It’s an artificial thing, which is within you, which is giving you artificial ideas. He has no idea as to how you have developed, from what amoeba stage you have been brought, how we have been brought to this stage, and how in this process of Sahaja you are today just ready to have your realization. It does not know that. The only one that knows is your Kundalini, your Mother. She sits in the triangular bone there and She rises to give you realization. She’s just waiting. She’s just to be risen and She does it. Somebody asked me, “How much time?” I said, “How much time does it take for to switch on this light?” They said, “Maybe, split of a second.” I said, “The one thousandth of a split of a second you can count. One thousandth part of that you can count.” The Kundalini takes just lifts up, that [snaps fingers]. But again, for example, in my mind from Victoria, was on you in a second, but my car would not move. So, maybe that Kundalini is there already in her mind but the body doesn’t move, because there are obstructions and there is some sort of a hindrance, which is causing this thing. Doesn’t matter. Have faith! But Ego is speedy. Ego gives you speed. When you speak, you speak telescopically. One word enters into another, you think ahead of time, always ahead of time. It happens with people who are speedy, that they arrive at the station at a time where the first train is about to leave and the second hasn’t arrived, and they reach the time at the station because they have calculated and how calculations have failed. All such speedy things come to us, and we have no patience with ourselves. So, when the Ego is teaching you that, you have to be sure about it, how can you get your realization, and all these nonsensical things. At the same time when it sees that the realization is not achieved, it gives you another lesson. It has failed; it has not worked. Such contradictory things Ego works out and that’s why there is confusion and this is the age of confusion because of Mr Ego trying to play tricks with us. It gives you one idea, and then another idea, and between the two you are standing between the two stools and don’t know which side you are going to fall off and which one is going to slip out soon. These are the blessings of Ego on us. The sooner we get rid of it, the better. But when you try to get rid of it also, it’s not easy, because the more you try to beat it, it swells up. It’s like a balloon. If you release the balloon; it swells up. The only way is to know the reality, so it goes down by itself. The whole idea, the myth, falls off. The myth of Ego falls off, you see. Like a person who is going by an aeroplane suddenly starts thinking that, “I am driving the aeroplane”. He puts up his hands like this and he starts doing, I mean, like a child or a stupid fellow. Egoistical people, as I said, can become like that. He starts, “Oh, I am driving the plane”. So, what happens is, you see, they start guiding the pilot [unclear] maybe, “Why should he do like this?” and, “Why doesn’t he do like this?” and all sorts of things start. And then suddenly they find that they cannot manage the plane. They find that the plane just lands on its tail or somewhere. The person is completely jammed and he cannot manage. When they find themselves into difficulties, then they start wondering, “What have I been thinking? Why it has happened there? Was I wrong?” That is the time when the Ego will give you another suggestion, by which you will put the blame on Mr Pilot and not on you. So, again the Ego’s play will start in that fashion, by which you will be again lost. Why I’m saying that? Because Ego plays a very, very subtle obstruction in Sahaja Yoga. One has to be careful about it to begin with. To overcome this, now here you see on the right-hand side this yellow line is the one, is the one, which gives us the power of action by which we act. We act through our physical being, through our mental being. So, it looks after our physical and mental being. It gives rise to the Ego on the left-hand side, as you see, and this left side Ego is the problem of today because it covers the whole of the head sometimes, so much so that Kundalini cannot pierce through. Now, on the left-hand side that you see, is the power of our desire. It’s the blue line is shown, is the power of our desire. By this you get your Superego, all your conditionings. Whatever has been your desire, your past, whatever you have been asking for, and whatever has been hidden within you, is all expressed in that blue stuff there, called as Superego. Now, when the people of your category, which are superior most people of any nation, who are the subtlest in any nation whatsoever, whether they are here or in Tehran or in China, just the same, they are the people who can see that this horrible thing like Ego is before us. They can see it clearly. First, they see it in others and then they start seeing the reflection within themselves. So, they take to another side, run away from it, run away from reality. All this is, start an anti-culture movement. This culture is nonsensical. They can see it. Why do they do it? Because they can see it. Is so artificial. All this artificiality they can see. So, they think they will take to something else, by which you run away from this Ego, but actually, you cannot run away from it. You run away to the other side called as Superego on the left-hand side it moves, but actually in the head it is more on the right hand side. This Superego is nourished by all our lethargic acts. For example, “We are lethargic”. When I came here, I was surprised. Some of those people told me that, “I’m successfully unemployed”. I got a shock of my life. I said, “Now, what sort of a people I am chasing there?” They think it’s a success to be unemployed. I said, “It’s a problem”. And, that was the Superego speaking. “Why should we work? Why do we need more money? What is the need to work? Why to have action?” Just sit down and dream. Take some nice drugs. Go on top of a hill. Take the drug. Lie down there and just think you are in Heaven, finished. Imagination. That also has worked out. People are out of it now. They are understanding that’s not the way to achieve reality. So, from Ego to Superego, the future yogis have been moving. The seekers are the future yogis and they have been wobbling from one to another. It’s a dangerous game both ways, no doubt, but you are seekers, and they are respected, loved and looked after and protected, and they achieve what they are asking for. They achieve it. They have to achieve because behind all these games is the Divine Power, which has worked it out so well, so beautifully. He has made you human being, and is not going to fail, when it has to give you that super human power. That is the power of your Spirit that lies within your heart. That has to manifest. Now, you have your own concepts because of, Ego has concepts. Always Ego will give you concepts about everything. That’s why, because these concepts never fit in with the reality. Christ was crucified, because according to them Christ should have been born to Herod, not to Mary. According to them it was too humble for God to be born like that. So, they crucified Him. The concepts that this Ego tries to give you can be very dangerous, too, about everything, about seeking, about realization, about everything. It gives you concepts, means it closes your doors to reality. Keep yourself open to see what it is really, than to have a conception. So, because of this wobbling people have started conceiving things in imaginary world. Sometimes they move to the right or to the left, and they start imagining, “Oh, this means that. This means that. This means that”, and this imagination is so dangerous. Recently, we have had a big accident [ unclear ] in Brighton. One gentleman came, and told them that he was Mr Michael or whatever it is. People started believing he was St Michael. Imagination starts coming up and can be very dangerous. Now, the whole Ego and Superego play becomes imaginary. How long are we going to live with imagination? We have to face reality. And reality is beauty. Reality is joy. It is knowledge. It is the thing you have to have. How long are you going to be satisfied with the artificial thing? You are not. So, what is the reality? How are we to seek it and how are we to receive it? Do not have conceptions. When you were amoeba did you have any conception how human being is going to look? Did you have any conception about how Sahaja Yoga is going to work out in England? Do you have any conception, even today, how the whole world is going to be transformed? All these conceptions are conjectures. They are not the conceptions of the reality, because you are not there from where you can see and there is a difference between one and another. All these writers, I find somebody saying, “This is the truth”, another is saying, “This is the truth”, a third one is saying, “This is the truth”, the psychologists are saying, “This is the truth.” There is nothing common in them, and this is the problem for us to read them. One person you read, then you read another, and the third. It’s better to go to lunatic asylum these days, than to go in the library and read any book. At least there you will get treated for your troubles while you’ll get lunatic if you go to these libraries. It’s that mad. And the more you read, the more confused you get. This confusion is necessary, because without confusion you are not going to seek in the right direction. The earnestness goes up to the point of absolute emergency when the confusion is at its highest. You feel that now or never. You feel so desperate at that moment that if we are lost in this confusion, we are lost forever and something has to happen within us or something we have to face, or to know or to realize within us. Otherwise, we are finished. Such an emergency, when it comes into your mind, that’s the point for Sahaja Yoga, and there the light comes in. That emergency is settled down already, everywhere in your mind itself because mind is running with the speed of five hundred miles per hour. You cannot stop. It’s mad, the way you think, you know. I told you there was a doctor in Switzerland he came, “Mother, do anything. You can cut my throat or you can take out any part of my mouth or face, or anything that you want to do, but stop thinking. My thinking is horrible.” That’s why you are very fortunate, very fortunate, that you belong to that category and the whole situation is so emergent and you are such fighters and such brave people that I’m sure you will get out of it and you’ll save many more. Supposing such a situation arrives in India. Most of them will commit suicide, I can tell you. They’ll just shun. They won’t be able to understand. Anyone like that goes there, they’ll think, “Oh, he’s mad. Put him somewhere out, finished. We have nothing to do”. They’ll never fight it out, because they’re not used to this kind of a thing, this kind of a struggle, this kind of a complete emergence of all the problems of the world on them. All these problems are bombarded on you through different media. You see the whole world going into a shock. They don’t feel this. They are ignorant. They don’t know anything about what’s happening. Anybody today who is aware is feeling the emergency of something happening to us. Something has to happen. They are aware that unless and until this happens, you cannot be saved. Atomic energy problem. There’s another one, the wars are going on. Earthquakes are coming. People are saying that all the stars are going to fall into one line. Everybody’s feeling there’s going to be something horrible. The reason is the Last Judgement has started. It has started, and you have to go through it. You are going to judge yourself. There is God within you, which is going to judge you, and you are going to be chosen by your own efforts, and you are going to help others, many many thousands of them, to be light. A certain number is needed. That’s all. For every, every evolution a certain number was needed to create a complete explosion. A certain number is needed and you are one of them who are the first to get it. So, here is your Kundalini, which all of you have. Except for demonic people, everybody has the Kundalini. The Kundalini exists within you, which you can see with your naked eyes in many people, which rises through all these centers, which are within you and pierces your fontanelle bone area. Only what I do, is I tell you what it is. For example, on your fingers if you get cool breeze, what does it mean? If you get all these fingers burning, what does it mean? If you get a particular finger burning more, what does it mean? I just decode it for you. Secondly, I am like a candle, which was enlightened first and now I enlighten you. You can enlighten other candles. Ego can also start saying, “Why She?” It’s a very common thing. “Why you?” Once a doctor asked me “Why you?” I said, “You please come here. I’ll be very happy. If you can raise the Kundalini, I’ll be very happy to retire sir, because it’s, it’s better to retire now”. I mean, you get somebody like that, nothing like it. I mean, I would become a disciple of anybody who can raise the Kundalini. They may say it. They may talk about it. If they could do it, nothing like it. Oh, I would retire. I’m looking forward to My retirement. I don’t know when it will be, but that’s the thing, it is. You see, it has been given to Me to do this job. Now what am I to do? I can’t understand. So that you do not feel hurt. And also, I have a role of a mother, a mother who bears up everything. Everybody tries to crucify Me. It’s not a question of one crucifixion. I have seen many coming and being very rude to Me, shouting at Me, screaming at Me, doing all kinds of things, saying things against Me. It’s all right. But I am Mother. Everything I know because you are children. That’s why you are seeking, but you will be all right. I know that you’ll be all right. But it is better to be wise and to get your realization, to understand the wiser you are, the easier it is for you to mature. You have to mature faster and faster with your wisdom and discretion. Regarding your realization, nothing can be promised to anyone. There is no promise. You know, there is no enrolment. There is no fees, nothing. Like the trees, they do not enroll themselves somewhere, that, “Oh God, oh, give us the sun, sun’s rays, so that we come up”. The sun is shining and all the trees are blessed. Some do not get the blessings; some do get it. Some die at the grass stage, some grow up, become heavily laden with fruits, which they distribute to others, and people say, “All right, this tree has come up”. They do not say that the sun has done anything; they just take it for granted. In the same way Sahaja Yoga is working out. It’s just very simple, is natural. There is, you cannot pay for it. How much do we pay to the sun or to the Mother Earth for giving us all that She is giving us? We are giving to all intermediaries, you see, who have created economic problems for us. But do the direct people we don’t give anything. The real sources we don’t pay anything. In the same way, you cannot pay anything for it. It’s so natural. It works out. It helps you and you help others. This is what has to happen to most of the human beings. But first to the number I was telling you which is required, and they have to be sensible, wise, open people who have self-esteem. It’s not meant for useless, frivolous, nonsensical. So, one has to understand that as you are seekers, you have discarded many things which looked nonsensical to you, and today is the time for you to receive for which you have discarded all that: the sense of your being; the meaning; the purpose of your being; why you have come on this Earth; everything; all the knowledge of the world; everything for which you have come, for which you were created; the whole universe; the stars. They are going now to Saturn. Why Saturn was created? What is Saturn? It’s not even the dust particle of God Almighty’s feet. What has happened? It’s one of the seats of one of the centres. It’s here, and the Vishudhi Chakra is made out of Saturn, and the circle round it is nothing but the Sudarshan Chakra, as described, of Shri Krishna, because Shri Krishna resides. Now, what will they know about it? How are we to talk to them? You see, they have to become realized souls, to know whether it is true or not, because there is no way of judging it. By your imagination you cannot judge it. You have to know it through your feelings. This is what happens to you when you get realization, that you get the cool breeze in your hands. All your fingers get enlightened. Your palm gets enlightened, and your base of the palm. All of them are centres. Seven centres are there, these five, six and seven, and they all get enlightened, by which you know what it’s for. Also, you know if this is the truth or not, because if it is the truth the vibration comes very much more. When it is the falsehood, it stops. There are so many permutations and combinations of these feelings, which you learn, and you become a person. You become again and again. You become a person of a new awareness, in which you start perceiving things through your feeling, as reality. For example, the one person is sitting here, and if ten Sahaja Yogis are trying on that person, they’ll say the same thing about them. One gentleman came and asked me, “Mother, why everybody is asking me, ‘What about your father?'” I said, “All right, what about your father?” I also asked. He said, “He died suddenly and I was [unclear: sounds like with him, or this thing]”. I said, “Then, that part is little bit showing.” “He said, “How do You know?” I said,” You will also know later,” but he said, “Tell me, how do You know?” I said, “Very simple. If this finger is burning, that means your father’s finger is something wrong”. Everybody’s this finger is burning. Whether it is a child or a big person, they’ll ask, “What about the father?” Now, you tell about your father’s problem, and there is a way of correcting this problem. If you correct it, immediately you get your realization. It’s that simple. It’s everything is so simple in life. If you to see someone, what do you do? Do you think about it? You just see. In the same way, when you get your realization, what do you do? You just feel. It’s a vibratory awareness. Then you just start to feel within yourself. They have started feeling it. You see a person, you know it’s that. He may tell you lies. Doesn’t matter; you know this [unclear]. You may not tell that person diplomatically, not to hurt the person, but you know this is the problem. But it’s better if somebody tells you. Be thankful. Get rid of it. Not to be angry. Last of all, I have to tell you, because you have some who have come for the first time, that you can be misled. There could be a guru, so-called, who might have misled you. Or there could be somebody who might have misled you. Still, because you are naive, maybe you might not have understood it. But if somebody tells you that your Void is catching, there’s a wrong guru. Better tell the name. It’s better to get rid of it than to have it there because your realization is difficult, and even if you get your realization the Kundalini will suck back. It’s better to tell and understand how to get rid of it. After all, Sahaja Yoga is only concerned with your wellbeing, and not the wellbeing of all the crooks of the world. Because people have an objection sometimes to Me, saying that She criticizes others. Do you mean to say that I could sit here and praise Mr Hitler or someone, who is even worse than that? You need courage to face these horrible people. Only a Mother can do it. And I have to tell, and I will tell on the top of my worst, that these devils and these negative forces, which are trying to drag down My children, are going to be doomed and they are going to go to hell. But you give them up as soon as possible. I’m not afraid of them. That’s one thing you should know. They are afraid of Me. May God bless you all!! Can you ask Me any questions? If you want to you can ask a question.??? Any questions, please? You are thoughtless just now. Kundalini has gone up. Most of you cannot think of a question. I’m sorry, but she shot up. What am I to do? She is so anxious to shot up, than to ask questions, that she’s gone out. What am I to do? You got it, most of you have? Try to think. That’s it. You will see. [Audience: question inaudible] That’s called the Void. That’s the stomach. That’s the void. We call it as Void, but not the Zen style Void. We call it the Void because that’s the place where all the Masters were, the Ten Masters. All our Ten Commandments create this Void, in the stomach, in the [unclear]. Now, for this I would advise you, there’s a book, which is written about Me by a Swiss - French, gentleman, which is actually in English, and there are some papers they have got, which you go through. It’s quite a lot of it. And there are at least three hundred tapes, I think, with Douglas. I don’t know how many there are. I have no number now, but you can see all that, and everything you need, because in one lecture, I cannot cover every point again [unclear]. All right? All this requires explanation. For I would say like this, that if you come in this room and it’s dark, you just say, “Put on the light”. So you’ll ask me, “Where is the switch?” Just put on the light and then you can ask something else, isn’t it? First of all, have the light. Then we’ll talk about it. It’s a headache, I tell you, to talk about it. Before realization, it’s a headache. It’s like groping. [Audience: Is there anything that can interfere with the vibration? Anything that can distort the vibration? If you are mesmerized, that’s a different point altogether. If you are mesmerized, then maybe you may just think you are. You see, you go into an imaginary world, isn’t it? You get into an imagination. But that rarely happens. If it happens, you see, it has a reaction on you. You start vomiting and you get all kind of nausea feeling. Within two or three days you get out of it. I mean, you know that is something wrong. But it seldom happens. You see, if somebody attacks you like that, mesmerism. With some people it does happen, but one has to be careful. Normally, there cannot be, because this is pure knowledge. This is purity. Is pure knowledge. You will be amazed. Even if your Chakras are catching, your centers are catching, you are not a perfect person yet, according to Sahaja Yoga, there are different stages into which you rise, and you might not have reached to your best stage so far. Still, you’ll be surprised you can give realization to people; you can raise the Kundalini; you can correct the Chakras; you can cure the people. Minimum of minimum you can always cure. You can do all that. Despite like you see, you have a car, which is new, absolutely new, first class Rolls Royce. Or, you can have a car, say, 1850 or something, it’s still called new, you see. Second-hand, third-hand, fourth-hand, fifth-hand, like that you can have many cars. You see, once my husband asked someone from France. She came to see Me. He said, “I can’t understand why She has given you realization. Why are you bothered now about it? Why can’t you rise yourself?” So, she said that, he deals with ships, so she said that, “Supposing there are third-hand ships then it is to be mended again and again. He said, “That’s true.” So, it depends how. But still it moves. You have to correct yourself. You have to improve. You start enjoying it. Then you are not bothered. You see yourself away from it, and then you start enjoying it, you see. You think, oh, you don’t say, “My Ego has gone up”. You say, “Mother, my Agnya. Agnya is troubling me.” Actually, they say like that. You know your Ego. Right Agnya, means Ego, but you don’t say otherwise, “Oh, I’m egoistical”. Or if I say to somebody, “You are egoistical,” I’ll ask for something else, see? So, it just happens. You start seeing all these things even in yourself, and then you don’t mind because you are out of it. You don’t mind, at all. You correct yourself. But, as I said, you have to nourish yourself properly, in collectivity. Go on rising into it; then there are less chances. Even little deviations take place, you see sometimes, but they steady down. It’s like learning a cycle. You know, how you learn a cycle. You know, first you fall down once or twice and then you get on top of it again. Then you start balancing. Then you have a discretion. It’s like that. But before realization, before buying your cycle, you don’t worry about it. That will be done. But later on, when you have to ride it, then you have to be careful and to understand and learn it yourself and be a master. You have to become master of your Kundalini and Kundalini of others. It can be. There are already in London and there are many others in India, all over the world, they are masters of knowledge. Can you imagine two people who came from Australia have given realization to two hundred people in Australia? Two hundred people in Australia, two people have given realization. You can master it, because you are a master as well. Sounds very fantastic, isn’t it, but just think from amoebic stage you have become this. Isn’t it fantastic? Little bit is left, you see, little bit more. Very little, last journey is just breaking through It’s just there, so beautiful it is. Enter it! Enter into the Kingdom of God. It’s your place. See now, is it cool coming in your hand? Now, don’t think about it, because I put down. See, I can screw up your Agnya so you can’t think. Up to that I can do. But then I allow you to think also. It’s a play, because I have to judge you. Don’t think. Just don’t think. That is the first mantra: don’t think. How many have come for the first time today? Please raise your hands. Good. How many of you are feeling cool breeze in your hands, those who have come for the first time? Or not feeling cool breeze, let us say. Those who are not feeling cool breeze…. at all. Are you feeling cool breeze? Good. You are not feeling as yet? Don’t think. Now, are you not feeling cool breeze? You are? No, behind you. Not yet? Are you feeling any cool breeze in the hand? Was it tingling? Some sensation? What about anybody else? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Are you? Not yet. Are you feeling? No, I think his feet are … You tell him to put the feet down. That will be better, yes. It will work out. Yes, that’s all right. You can put anyway. You put your hands like this. Those who are not feeling the breeze please raise your hand. Honestly. Raise them high. Please raise them high. It’s very important. All of you, who are not feeling the cool breeze, not the sensation. Now, please work on them. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Are you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Now, please raise your hands again? Can you see them? Just see, all of you. Now, those who can help. Now see, they were just like you; now they can help you. Now come along. Take him also. He’s got cool breeze. You teach him. Paul? You take him with you. Now good. Now next to him is the lady. Now see these two gentlemen here. Let’s see, now, how they work it out, you see. How it is managed, how it is maneuvered this power, which is flowing from their hands. This is their own power of their own Spirit. Did you come to me before, sometime? No. Don’t think. Those who are getting cool breeze, close your eyes. Now, close your eyes. Wait. You are not getting cool breeze. Can you work on him? Just see [unclear]. Now, those who are feeling cool breeze just close your eyes and don’t think. That’s all. You have got it at the back in the corner? No, she has not got. One more person should go there. Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you? after a long time. How are you now? Good. What’s happened to Peter? Why didn’t he come? How are you [unclear] better. No after effects. I worked on Ray, just to get out all these effects and now how are you [unclear] better now. [unclear] I received a very nice letter where are they? Where is she? I received very nice letter; I am happy that I have seen it through. Alright! If there is any effects, put your left hand towards me and right hand outside, it will work out. Alright start, I know, sitting down here. Better now, close your eyes, close your eyes. You see what happens, if you don’t close the eyes the Kundalini does not pass through. Close your eyes. Let her come, let her come, don’t bother her. Come along, come along. Don’t bother her, let her come. She’s all right. Come, come, come. Give me a flower. What about a flower? That’s heart, center heart. Put left to the right. Raise left and put it to the right. Left side to the right. You all should talk in whispers, you see people there are people who are first time realized and they have to go deep down. They may be disturbed with sound [unclear] You may not be.

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