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assistant | Joe Rogan, thank you for coming. Your first podcast. |
user | My pleasure. |
assistant | Tim Dillon. |
user | Thank you for having me. |
assistant | I like the way you do this. We come to your studio. It's easy. We sit here, we do it. Jamie has to work extra. He's not happy about it. Jamie's got it. But that's okay. That's all right. Thank you for letting me do. We wanted to follow up Lex Friedman with somebody bigger, and that person is you. And then I, and I want... |
user | I'll get messages from celebrities. Like, random celebrities, usually about COVID advice, right? Like, I get no bullshit. I've helped, like, dozens of people that I've never brought their names up, like, famous actors, musicians, to just contact me for Covid advice. |
assistant | Interesting. |
user | Yeah, that's weird. But it's also weird that they can just. They know I know them, and I'm famous, too. So I've reached this weird spot where I feel comfortable meeting famous people. Like, hi, fellow famous person. Whereas I was plagued by imposter syndrome, like, for forever. Like, and I would get real weird around a... |
assistant | But now you're cool with it. |
user | I'm just more accustomed to it, I guess. But the money thing and the celebrity thing and all that stuff, it is odd, and it's not good for a comedian. Comedians are best off known, but not too famous, right? Because you get too famous, and then you get scrutiny from people who aren't even really fans of, and they start ... |
assistant | What do you think that is with comics? Where if they get too much money or if they get too big, a lot of them lose their mind. A lot of them have real big problems. |
user | Well, famous people lose their mind. It's just a totally unnatural state of existence where everywhere you go, people know you and they're all happy to see you. And then you also surround yourself with a bunch of people that don't tell you the truth. That's pretty common, right? And you gotta find a way to mitigate tha... |
assistant | Right. |
user | But it's not just your workout to be healthy. It's also workout. Because it's so hard to do that. Everything else seems easier. |
assistant | Right. Over the last year, you've kind of become. Is this the most heat you've ever taken for a position for, about COVID About the vaccine and stuff like that? Is there? Cause I know that the trans MMA thing was big, but it didn't feel this big. |
user | Well, the trans MMA thing was big, but it wasn't valid. It was people that don't want any criticism whatsoever about trans people. And I was like, look, I don't have a problem with trans people. I have a problem with someone pretending that they're a biological woman and fighting women. Once you say you're trans, and e... |
assistant | I don't know. |
user | Is it's like lapping all these biological women. |
assistant | Right. |
user | That's fucked, because they don't have a choice. They have to compete against it. |
assistant | And fighting is your. You're more of an expert in fighting than many things. |
user | Right. |
assistant | You put your knowledge of fighting up there and the knowledge of advantages that a biological male has over a female. |
user | They're giant. The advantages are giant, and I don't think they go away. |
assistant | Right. |
user | In two years of hormone treatments and surgery. |
assistant | Right. |
user | It's too much of an advantage. But if a woman is a biological woman who wants to compete against a trans woman, I have zero problem. |
assistant | Right. |
user | And there was a situation like that recently. Yeah, I had no comment about it. |
assistant | Right. |
user | It's basically some regional level fighters. And one was trans, and she was a former, like, Navy SEAl. Like fucking super Jack. |
assistant | Right. Yeah. |
user | Used to look like. |
assistant | Right. |
user | You know, like a savage. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | And then became a woman and fought MMA. And apparently was a good fight, too. She almost lost in the first round. One in the second round. I don't care. |
assistant | Right. |
user | My issue is not. It's not an anti trans position. It's like, for sure, you can't pretend that that's fair, that you don't tell someone that you were a biological male for 30 fucking years. So 30 fucking years of having testosterone pulsing through your system and strengthening your tendons and your muscles and changing... |
assistant | Was a big one, but it was. |
user | More like I realized that people will distort your perceptions on things or your positions on things. This is different. This is like the government gets mad at me, right? This is crazy. |
assistant | This is the most CNN lies about me I think I've ever seen a private individual take outside of, like, somebody who's leaking secrets or something. Right? I mean, this is a pretty. Now, obviously, you're fine. They're not, you know, they're not disappearing you. Right. But in terms of just criticism, you know, you know,... |
user | Well, it has to affect you because you're aware of it. If you're aware of it, it has an effect on you. The question is, do you change the way you operate? Like, do I decide that now? I'm going to play it safe and I'm going to just have podcasts with athletes or comedians, just talk about silly things. I could do that. ... |
assistant | These are not the brightest. |
user | Well, the reason why they got there in the first place is not because they're these courageous, pioneering thinkers who have compassionate, intelligent views in the world. No. They've followed narratives. They read teleprompters, and they say things that align with whatever the ideology is of their network. |
assistant | Right. |
user | So that's what they do. |
assistant | Do you have people that disagree with you on this issue? That, and I'm sure you do, that you respect that. You go, Sam Harris, something like that. People that go, I feel. Cause it's a big issue and it's like a life or death thing. It's an important issue. People have very strong feelings about it. Do you like, obvious... |
user | Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. It's controversial. But at this point, particularly when I see the way the government's behaving, the suppression of monoclonal antibodies, the demonizing of generic treatments that are available, whether it's hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, there's a concerted effort to demonize treatme... |
assistant | Right? |
user | Another fact is there's treatments that are available that could stop it dead in its tracks, particularly monoclonal antibodies. The Biden administration is doing their very fucking best to make it really hard to get monoclonal antibodies. And according to Peter McCullough, doctor Peter McCullough, who is the most publ... |
assistant | So why wouldn't I? |
user | Early treatment with monoclonal antibodies knocks it dead. It did it with you. It did it with me. |
assistant | Right. So then why not go that route now? I know Pfizer's making a lot of. |
user | Money want to vaccinate people. They want universal vaccinations. You could ascribe, you could say there's all sorts of, like, sinister motives for that. You know, you could say they don't want a control group. They want the entire country vaccinated. So if health problems happen, there's no one to compare it to. There... |
assistant | Right? |
user | It's fucking nuts. |
assistant | Well, the media has clearly attacked you using a playbook that has only made them look very disingenuous. And you've, I think more people's eyes have been opened by the media lying about things you've said or misrepresenting ivermectin as horse medication, things like that. In terms of, I think one of the criticisms, c... |
user | I have. |
assistant | So you put on. |
user | I certainly have. Sanche Gupta well, I had him on. I had Rhonda Patrick on. I had a conversation with her about it in the early days of the podcast. I had Michael Osterholm, who was, he's an infectious disease expert. I had Peter Hotez, who's a vaccine expert, quite a few of them on. Yeah, the thing is, like, over time... |
assistant | Have any of those dudes reached out to like, come back on again? Or have they like Oscar home or people like that? Is it weird? Because also people bring up this whole thing that you have where you go, listen, I'm not anti vax, right? |
user | I'm not. |
assistant | You have a whole thing where you talk about like that. A lot of people that are against all vaccinations are historically, you know, they, you know, they've been proven wrong. Like, we've stamped out a lot of diseases. What, what about like. |
user | Cause I would wonder, because I wasn't a vaccine, right? |
assistant | No, no, no. |
user | For sure. Gene therapy, that's part of the problem. It's kind of an experimental thing. Yeah, I mean, the experiment is massive now. It's billions and billions of people worldwide. |
assistant | Right. |
user | But it's essentially experimental in terms of long term health consequences. |
assistant | So I wonder about guys, because there's a, because they don't seem like bad people. Osterholm. Or guys like that, right. |
user | Well, they've never been bad people. |
assistant | They've never been bad people. And are they just looking at, well, all these people, a lot of them are faring better with the vaccine if they get Covid. So they're not looking at the other adverse effects. |
user | There's a bunch of things you could say. I mean, it's a lot of it speculation. But again, there's a lot of people that benefit from being vaccinated. That's a fact. There's also people that have horrible reactions to the vaccine. That's a fact, too. There's a lot going on. And when you're only allowed to look at one gr... |
assistant | No, it's not. |
user | It just sucks for me that I'm stuck in this weird position. |
assistant | You're in this crazy position as a comedian, MMA commentator, podcaster. But the show has become such a massive. They put out numbers the other day. I mean, you're the leading media figure right now. |
user | How dumb is that? Well, that's how you know I should be. |
assistant | I was so mad that you were. And I called my producer and I fired him. I had to rehire him cause I couldn't find anyone else. But I was so angry because I don't have guests. And that's what a real media person should do. I have no interest in anyone's opinion. Just like my mother, who's a schizophrenic. She never had to... |
user | That's what they say. |
assistant | Well, that's what they say. I mean, this is their whole thing, right? |
user | This is what I would say. Why didn't the doctors give them treatment? Why didn't the doctors get them monoclonal antibodies? Why were they denied monoclonal antibodies? Did they request them? Did they know about them? |
assistant | Right? |
user | You know, why didn't they get iv vitamin drip infusions? Why didn't they get nad? Is that available? |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | Isn't that available? That seems like especially iv vitamin drips, like, that shit's very available. We know that high level vitamin drips, whether it's with, especially with c, d, zinc, glutathione, all those things are hugely beneficial to any kind of disease people have, for sure. And I've got them. I've got them li... |
assistant | And you know, people personally that have had problems with. |
user | I know quite a few now. |
assistant | Yeah. |
user | Now I know over 15 people, right, that have had, like, serious side effects to the vaccine. |
assistant | Yeah. Both men and women. Menstrual issues. |
user | Menstrual issues. Strokes, neurological disorders, chronic fatigue. |
assistant | So what's a neurological disorder? |
user | Body shaking. |
assistant | Jesus. |
user | Yeah. And you can't do anything about it. Like weird ones, man. And it's. The thing is, when you're vaccinating this, to be fair, you're vaccinating hundreds of millions of people in this country alone, you're going to get adverse side effects on any medication. The thing is, if you look at only that group, like, if yo... |
assistant | Right. |
user | But if you. They seem to think that at a low number, like a conservative number, it's like one per 1000. So if you vaccinate a million people, you're gonna have a lot of people that have adverse side effects. You vaccinate 100 people, you're gonna have a lot. So this is what we're dealing with. |
assistant | Yeah. And that doesn't get any play. |
user | It doesn't. They suppress it. There was a kid on TikTok that had myocarditis, and he was a high school kid, like an athlete, and he was in the hospital, and it got millions and millions of plays. They removed it from TikTok. Cause it doesn't fit the narrative. Like, that's what's fucked. |
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