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"value": "I think there's substance to the idea that thoughts and ideas are themselves alive. As I've become older, I wonder, was I as conscious when I was a child as I am now? This is a valid question because my child self did not have vocabulary for many of the thoughts and ideas that ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I think there's substance to the idea that thoughts and ideas are themselves alive. As I've become older, I wonder, was I as conscious when I was a child as I am now? This is a valid question because my child self did not have vocabulary for many of the thoughts and ideas that ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It seems that the author was inspired by *Dragon’s Egg* by Robert L. Forward — a sci-fi story where humans met natives of a neutron star whose lifespan was around 50 minutes. \n\nStill, I didn’t read anything new in the article — what it describes is basic functionalism, or the ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It seems that the author was inspired by *Dragon’s Egg* by Robert L. Forward — a sci-fi story where humans met natives of a neutron star whose lifespan was around 50 minutes. \n\nStill, I didn’t read anything new in the article — what it describes is basic functionalism, or the ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It seems that the author was inspired by *Dragon’s Egg* by Robert L. Forward — a sci-fi story where humans met natives of a neutron star whose lifespan was around 50 minutes. \n\nStill, I didn’t read anything new in the article — what it describes is basic functionalism, or the ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It's one of the principles of organization. But you're not just a pattern, you're a pattern of something. \n\nA painting is a pattern, but it doesn't exist unless you paint it. \n\nA song is a pattern but it doesn't exist until you play it. \n\nThere is no distinction between th... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It's one of the principles of organization. But you're not just a pattern, you're a pattern of something. \n\nA painting is a pattern, but it doesn't exist unless you paint it. \n\nA song is a pattern but it doesn't exist until you play it. \n\nThere is no distinction between th... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "True….for one to understand one’s own existence he has to lose the idea that he is one."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Banal platitude."
}
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"from": "human",
"value": "Just wondering, how are you defining consciousness here?"
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Yea, it’s a complicated issue just to nail that down. I am thinking of it in terms of qualia as in “what does it feel like to taste fruit”. In the absence of experience, do we hav... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Michael Levin is a real scientist, with a penchant for science communication through YouTube and some rather radical ideas about agential intelligences within living bodies, in particular bio-electric intelligences living in cells other than neurons, and operating in morphodynam... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">...one huge self-sustaining feedback loop...\n\nA Strange Loop perhaps?"
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "This makes sense!"
}
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"from": "human",
"value": "So a dead substrate is able to create consciousness and awareness while also denying its own power of will."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "What do you mean by “denying power of will”?"
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"from": "human",
"value": "So a propositional thought, being carried by brain waves, and then sound waves, is alive?"
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "I don't think I understand what you're saying, it sounds like you're saying if you have an idea and you say it out loud it's alive. \n\nI'm saying... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Yea, it’s a complicated issue just to nail that down. I am thinking of it in terms of qualia as in “what does it feel like to taste fruit”. In the absence of experience, do we have qualia at all? Does a baby have qualia, but cannot express it? Does an octopus have qualia but c... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Yea, it’s a complicated issue just to nail that down. I am thinking of it in terms of qualia as in “what does it feel like to taste fruit”. In the absence of experience, do we have qualia at all? Does a baby have qualia, but cannot express it? Does an octopus have qualia but c... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Thank you! I will check him in the near future."
},
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "I'm a huge fan of Levin and would recommend this (rather short) video as an intro [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a3xg4M9Oa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a3xg4M9Oa8) and this as a f... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "What do you mean by “denying power of will”?"
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "As you pointed out, you deny the power/ability of free will.\n\n\nTherefore it makes no sense to postulate a organism/patternism, that is not self aware yet able to create self awareness to u... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I see what you’re saying. Though, one can definitely have rich conscious experience without language, expression or communication ever being involved. I know I’ve experienced it through meditation and psychadelics. A state of pure analog awareness."
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"from": "gpt",
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"from": "human",
"value": "Imagine the qualia you have on a mushroom 🍄 trip.\n\n\nThen the question are you conscious or are you high?"
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Altered state of consciousness maybe?\n\n\nLet's say the brain is a host for consciousness, but that consciousness itself is a ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "As you pointed out, you deny the power/ability of free will.\n\n\nTherefore it makes no sense to postulate a organism/patternism, that is not self aware yet able to create self awareness to ultimately deny its own ability of choice and distinction/recognition."
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"from": "human",
"value": "Altered state of consciousness maybe?\n\n\nLet's say the brain is a host for consciousness, but that consciousness itself is a pattern that is reinforced through expression of ideas and language (even internally to the brain itself). Then a modified host of consciousness would n... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Where did I deny power/ability of will? \n\nI literally talked about emergence of volition.\n\nThat’s a different question from free will, though."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "\" entertaining the idea of free will\" - suggests the opposite."
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"from": "human",
"value": "\" entertaining the idea of free will\" - suggests the opposite."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "I wrote the comment to be agnostic on the issue of freedom of the will because it’s a very different topic from agency and volition, but it’s also intimately tied to consc... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam Harris’ argument rests on two premises: first, that morality can be grounded in the well-being of conscious minds, and second, that minds and their states are natural phenomena governed by the laws of nature. Therefore, there must be objective answers to moral questions that... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I don't have much to say on their dialogue about the blue analogy, and I will mention that I think you accurately address that mind-dependent propositions can still yield objective truth values. So I don't disagree that it's possible to have an objective account of morality. In ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It's frustrating hearing Harris refer to well-being. It dismisses the work that philosophers of the Continental and existential traditions have put into the meaning and impact of values. Identity, purpose, and experience revolve around values - personal, subjective values. Takin... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It's frustrating hearing Harris refer to well-being. It dismisses the work that philosophers of the Continental and existential traditions have put into the meaning and impact of values. Identity, purpose, and experience revolve around values - personal, subjective values. Takin... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It's frustrating hearing Harris refer to well-being. It dismisses the work that philosophers of the Continental and existential traditions have put into the meaning and impact of values. Identity, purpose, and experience revolve around values - personal, subjective values. Takin... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "This reminds me a of a debate I watched between Alex and an Objectivist. The problem I have with Alex's analogies in this space is that they inadvertently remove something key about objective morality. To use my own analogy, a person advocating for objective morality is like an ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "This reminds me a of a debate I watched between Alex and an Objectivist. The problem I have with Alex's analogies in this space is that they inadvertently remove something key about objective morality. To use my own analogy, a person advocating for objective morality is like an ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I've listened to the full discussion and I think Alex had a fundamental misunderstanding of Sam's argument. Sam is not making an 'ought' argument, he is only make an 'is' argument. His claim is that it is the case that 'morality' is about the subjective experience of conscious b... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I've listened to the full discussion and I think Alex had a fundamental misunderstanding of Sam's argument. Sam is not making an 'ought' argument, he is only make an 'is' argument. His claim is that it is the case that 'morality' is about the subjective experience of conscious b... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I've listened to the full discussion and I think Alex had a fundamental misunderstanding of Sam's argument. Sam is not making an 'ought' argument, he is only make an 'is' argument. His claim is that it is the case that 'morality' is about the subjective experience of conscious b... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "_Subjective_\n\nMerriam-Webster:\n\n3 a :\ncharacteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived **rather than as independent of mind**\n\nb : relating to or being experience or knowledge **as conditioned by personal mental** characteristics or states\n\n4 b : arising from cond... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "_Subjective_\n\nMerriam-Webster:\n\n3 a :\ncharacteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived **rather than as independent of mind**\n\nb : relating to or being experience or knowledge **as conditioned by personal mental** characteristics or states\n\n4 b : arising from cond... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I’m confused by your suggestion. Different reflective surfaces with different light-scattering properties may exist independently of perception. And different wavelengths of light may exist independently of perception. But the color blue IS the phenomenal experience of those wav... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I’m confused by your suggestion. Different reflective surfaces with different light-scattering properties may exist independently of perception. And different wavelengths of light may exist independently of perception. But the color blue IS the phenomenal experience of those wav... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "This sticking point always loses me somewhat. Is Alex's contention similar to the Is–ought problem people have brought up with Sam's view on morality?"
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Sam’s argument has always felt rather circular to me. He assumes act utilitarianism i... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "This sticking point always loses me somewhat. Is Alex's contention similar to the Is–ought problem people have brought up with Sam's view on morality?"
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Sam's argument is fundamentally an attempt to cross the is-ought gap. That is why it... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">while the color blue exists independently of perception,\n\nThe colour blue only exists in perception and cannot exist without conscious minds.\n\nPhotons that cause a chain of events that ends up in us perceiving blue exist independently of the mind, but blue itself only exist... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "If 100% of people don't like getting stabbed in the eye, then it is objectively true that people prefer to not get stabbed in the eye. \n\nHowever, biological preference, 100% or not, is not an objective fact like gravity or time, because outside of biology, you cannot find inde... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "If morality isn't rooted in the well-being of conscious minds, then we're discussing something entirely different. It's nothing to do with the morality."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "If you're making this argument in favor of objective morality, it fails right out t... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">Alex asserts that claims like “well-being is good” are only subjectively true, but he overlooks that words like “good” and “bad” derive their meaning from their connection to well-being. \n\nAlex is right. Just because you can more-or-less measure \"well-being\" objectively (e.... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">Alex asserts that claims like “well-being is good” are only subjectively true, but he overlooks that words like “good” and “bad” derive their meaning from their connection to well-being. \n\nAlex is right. Just because you can more-or-less measure \"well-being\" objectively (e.... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">Alex asserts that claims like “well-being is good” are only subjectively true, but he overlooks that words like “good” and “bad” derive their meaning from their connection to well-being. \n\nAlex is right. Just because you can more-or-less measure \"well-being\" objectively (e.... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">Alex asserts that claims like “well-being is good” are only subjectively true, but he overlooks that words like “good” and “bad” derive their meaning from their connection to well-being. \n\nAlex is right. Just because you can more-or-less measure \"well-being\" objectively (e.... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "> Sam should have clarified that while the color blue exists independently of perception, its value is subjective, tied to human preferences. In contrast, well-being cannot exist without conscious minds, yet its existence is an objective fact. Even though well-being is subjectiv... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam should have stuck to neuroscience. He's terrible at this stuff."
},
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "I liked his debate with Chomsky where he was unable to grasp consequentialism... despite having just published a book advocating consequentialism."
}
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"from": "human",
"value": "Clearly well-being exists independently of conscious minds, if “well-being” simply means “being well,” “existing in a fine way.” A flower can do this, or a barnacle.\n\nWhat a conscious mind adds is simply awareness of well-being. Unlike a flower or a barnacle, I can value my we... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Can morality be defined without considering well-being? In our world, what else could it be rooted in? We should care about the well-being of others because, as members of society, their welfare has a direct impact on us. The well-being of society as a whole is crucial."
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"from": "human",
"value": "Can morality be defined without considering well-being? In our world, what else could it be rooted in? We should care about the well-being of others because, as members of society, their welfare has a direct impact on us. The well-being of society as a whole is crucial."
},
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"from": "human",
"value": "Isn’t wellbeing exempt or separate from the status that values hold as values are intrinsically subjective, and being in a state of wellbeing is the natural state that we either are or are not in? It’s an objective state of all living beings to be in a state of flourishment (loo... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Isn’t wellbeing exempt or separate from the status that values hold as values are intrinsically subjective, and being in a state of wellbeing is the natural state that we either are or are not in? It’s an objective state of all living beings to be in a state of flourishment (loo... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Isn’t wellbeing exempt or separate from the status that values hold as values are intrinsically subjective, and being in a state of wellbeing is the natural state that we either are or are not in? It’s an objective state of all living beings to be in a state of flourishment (loo... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I think the objection is that the machine's functioning is not the same for everyone. If we fundamentally changed some pretty major parts, your machine would likely not work, but that doesn't mean there isn't someone for whom it might work."
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"value": "Engineering and machinery are dealing with objective components. There can be objectively faster or more effective ways to assemble a machine. And there can be ways to objectively measure that speed or effectiveness.\n\nMorality is inherently subjective, and cannot be objective... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "But unless \"well-being\" is stretched beyond meaning, well-being is not what all people consider moral."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": ">But unless \"well-being\" is stretched beyond meaning, well-being is not what all people consider moral.\n\nAnd it's Sam's claim t... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">He is saying that if we intend to be then by definition we **should** focus on improving the subjective experience of conscious beings.\n\nShould means ought."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Yeah, if you intend to be moral then you 'ought' to behave this way. But tha... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I think you are trying to brush the problem under the rug.\n\nSam still is making the claim that the preferred definition of morality should be such that improving the wellbeing of conscious beings is moral, and worsening them is not.\n\nYou can say that he is just using the ter... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "> If Sam Harris wants to use different definitions of subjective and objective than are normally used,\n\nHe doesn't. You are just confusing two levels of discussion. Whether cilantro tastes good is subjective, because the answer to that question depends on the individual observ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "> If Sam Harris wants to use different definitions of subjective and objective than are normally used,\n\nHe doesn't. You are just confusing two levels of discussion. Whether cilantro tastes good is subjective, because the answer to that question depends on the individual observ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": " A bug in IT it's not the same as a bug in biology, Even if the first have it's root in the second"
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Correct. And that means what? That in science and philosophy and dictionaries subjective/objective might mean one thing, but in the field... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam’s argument has always felt rather circular to me. He assumes act utilitarianism is true and then goes on to argue that moral questions have objective answers. But he never provides an explanation for why act utilitarianism is not only true but an objective fact."
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"from": "human",
"value": "Light of the wavelength we call blue and pigmented surfaces we call blue exist, whether someone is there to view them, or not.\n\nVisible light spectrum cameras don't have minds but they record colors."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": ">Light of the wavelength we call b... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Light of the wavelength we call blue and pigmented surfaces we call blue exist, whether someone is there to view them, or not.\n\nVisible light spectrum cameras don't have minds but they record colors."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Waves are not real in the same sen... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">The way I see it, when it comes to morality, objectivity/subjectivity doesn't matter, because morality is about what you can live with, your strongest feelings for/against various behaviors, which is what Alex is trying to argue for; emotivism. \n\nThe problem is that this is l... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "If you're making this argument in favor of objective morality, it fails right out the gate because it presupposes conscious minds are the most important thing, or that they are important at all, which is a subjective view. People can have moral values unrelated to their own or a... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "If you're making this argument in favor of objective morality, it fails right out the gate because it presupposes conscious minds are the most important thing, or that they are important at all, which is a subjective view. People can have moral values unrelated to their own or a... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">Does that make his behaviour objectively good? \n\n\nIt would if he hurts masochists."
},
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Is it *objectively* good for masochists to have their masochistic desires sated?"
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"from": "human",
"value": ">Does that make his behaviour objectively good? \n\n\nIt would if he hurts masochists."
},
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "This reminds of a joke...\n\nMasochist: \"Hurt me, please!\"\n\nSadist: \"No.\""
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"from": "human",
"value": "Sam has a good answer to your sadist dilemma in the interview. I'm guessing you're only making this comment because you haven't seen the full interview - it is worth a watch."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "He has an answer yes: that most people don't consider sadists... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "What definition could you use, then, to describe a morality that is objectively good? Is it a morality that is adhered to by all persons?"
},
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "\"Objectively good\" in the moral sense is a contradiction in terms, because what's morally good e... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "> For example, a sadist may think his well-being is improved by hurting other people. Does that make his behaviour objectively good? Obviously not.\n\n This is not entirely the case. The exception is if the sadist only hurts willing masochists, and they like it, his actions ca... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "> For example, a sadist may think his well-being is improved by hurting other people. Does that make his behaviour objectively good? Obviously not.\n\n This is not entirely the case. The exception is if the sadist only hurts willing masochists, and they like it, his actions ca... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "You’re missing a big part of Sam arguments about morality. He explicitly states that there are many “right”answers to what is good and bad. If you prefer to help strangers that is good because it increases the well being of others and also you, directly and indirectly. I can pr... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "It somewhat depends on what you mean by well-being. I think morality can be rooted in desires, which stem from intuitions we have, as well as adherence to moral action in a deontic sense. You could say us fulfilling our desires is a type of \"promotion of well-being\", but in pr... |
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"value": "I'm not even religious, but oviously for a religious person morality can be completely divorced from well-being if morality is about holiness. The video asks \"why should you do what God commands\" and answers \"because God rewards you with well-being (or punishes if you don't)\... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "I think there's still some wires crossing there. It's not an individual machine. There's an objective reality that is mind-independent, but does include human and animal minds. That reality has a structure and within that structure, you can inductively reason towards an emergent... |
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"value": "But the universe can be described as a machine, albeit an unfathomably complex one. It has certain constants, predictable physical interactions, and an apparent progression of functionality across its lifespan. Maybe that makes it more like an organism, but the point is that we ... |
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"from": "human",
"value": ">But unless \"well-being\" is stretched beyond meaning, well-being is not what all people consider moral.\n\nAnd it's Sam's claim that those people are wrong in the same way that flat earthers are wrong."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Yes, he makes that claim, but he... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Yeah, if you intend to be moral then you 'ought' to behave this way. But that 'ought' doesn't come from the 'is' of morality, it comes from your own intentions."
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"from": "gpt",
"value": "Agreed. I just disagree about Sam \"not making an 'ought' claim\". He's not... |
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"from": "human",
"value": "Trouble is, Harris is NOT arguing that it's an objective fact that people can have the moral value of improving well-being. If he did that, no-one would be disagreeing. He is arguing that the moral value of improving well-being is objectively true or correct. Using your analogy,... |
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"value": "I'm not confusing these things at all.\n\n> Whether cilantro tastes good is subjective, because the answer to that question depends on the individual observing the taste. For some it tastes good, for others it doesn't. But whether cilantro tastes good to a given person still is ... |
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"value": "It’s supposed to be circular. That’s the whole point. If our search for moral behavior is derived from an inherent drive toward maximizing well-being, then maximization of well-being itself is objectively the purpose of morality. \n\nI don’t know. It sorta makes sense. But I do... |
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"value": "You're absolutely right and yet being downvoted.\n\nThis is the most asinine argument. It is remarkable how many people here are just eating it up and accepting it.\nMorality is not in the purview of science! Morality is not objective. No matter how many times he repeats the sam... |
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"value": "Not minds, but a mind: God’s.\n\nWith a creator morality will necessarily be rootes in His nature. If one presupposes naturalism then all models for morality will end up in relativism."
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"value": "As many have pointed out, this is still not objecti... |
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"value": "He has an answer yes: that most people don't consider sadists etc. to be reasonable people and such. Great, it doesn't change the fact that morality is subjective by how subjective and objective are defined.\n\nIt doesn't change the fact that morality is outside the domain of sc... |
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"value": "\"Objectively good\" in the moral sense is a contradiction in terms, because what's morally good exists only subjectively in people's minds. Good and evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. All people agreeing on a moral view (e.g. slavery is wrong) just means they sha... |
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