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M8732
02/13/2022 22:22:11
It's just that a lot of people memorize things get through school
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:22:15
but rlly, why does -1 x -1 = 1 D:
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02/13/2022 22:22:18
Theres a reason why negative numbers werent discovered for a hot minute
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:22:21
Dont gimme ring theory bs
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02/13/2022 22:22:23
and throw it ouf the window immediately once they are done with school.
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Dietz Nuts
02/13/2022 22:22:38
why r u guys still talking
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02/13/2022 22:22:40
I would understand more complex topics that isn't used daily but if it's something applied on a daily basis, that's different
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Аndy
02/13/2022 22:22:41
does that mean its not really useful
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02/13/2022 22:22:42
R is a R vector space
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02/13/2022 22:22:57
its fun
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Dietz Nuts
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ok
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02/13/2022 22:23:24
I agree, but that that is the voice of a mathematician. For us this is so fundamental that we see this everywhere. But for other people it's different.
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02/13/2022 22:23:31
also vector spaces aren't rings afaik shuri smh
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:23:42
fields are rings
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:23:48
vector spaces are modules
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02/13/2022 22:23:58
I'm not a mathematician but I apply negatives a lot
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:23:59
-1 * -1 = i^2 * i^2 = i^4 = 1
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02/13/2022 22:24:04
:bleak:
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02/13/2022 22:24:13
modules and rings are semi groups
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02/13/2022 22:24:14
Fields only have 1 set of elements, VS has 2
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02/13/2022 22:24:39
I should not have said mathematician maybe. I meant it more broadly.
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:24:41
Negative numbers arent that useful in terms of counting and trading cows
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:24:48
owing cows
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02/13/2022 22:24:55
If you are a cashier you can multiply but never need to multiply negatives.
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:24:55
.reopen
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:25:02
Its more for financing and physics and stuff
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02/13/2022 22:25:07
I always count using negatives \s
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:25:29
but if u owe someone who owes you who owes someone... idk
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Аndy
02/13/2022 22:25:41
when you owe the ower
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02/13/2022 22:25:42
"Jimmy you owe me 40 bovines"
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:26:01
Not "jimmy I currently have -40 bovines entrusted to your care"
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02/13/2022 22:26:21
"Multiply those there bovines by -1 right this instant"
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:26:33
@Dietz Nuts Why did you do this to us. lol
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:26:41
🐄
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Dietz Nuts
02/13/2022 22:26:48
i was just asking question
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:26:59
I know but...
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dldh06
02/13/2022 22:27:08
It was a rabbit hole question
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Dietz Nuts
02/13/2022 22:27:18
ok cool
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:27:39
a rl application of multiplying negatives, have we really none?
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:27:58
I think it's always a bit contrived.
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Moon Child
02/13/2022 22:28:26
Money?
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dldh06
02/13/2022 22:28:35
If you owe money at a constant rate
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:28:41
I dont see anything obvious on google
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:28:43
We did that already but it was confusing admittedly.
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:28:45
at a glance
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:29:03
You could do directions/physics
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:29:10
but i dont think thats as good as money
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:29:42
One person mentioned like
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02/13/2022 22:29:46
Hm
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:29:50
Somethign along the lines of
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:30:12
"Every time I eat a chicken nugget there is one less chicken nugget on the planet"
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:30:20
Assuming chicken nuggets are not being produced
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:30:25
uhuh...
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:30:42
chicken nuggets = previous chicken nuggets + -1 * chicken nuggets eaten
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:30:48
If I barf up a chicken nugget
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:30:53
wtf
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:31:01
chicken nuggets = previous chicken nuggets + -1 * -1
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:31:02
Bam
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:31:07
Real life application right there
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:31:11
if money was contrived
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:31:13
+1 chicken nugget
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:31:17
Very natural explanation
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:31:43
I think I can safely conclude we shouldn't be taught to multiply negatives until uni then
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:31:54
lol
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:31:58
Until you learn complex numbers
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:31:59
'normal' people shouldnt need this...
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:32:10
Multiplying -1 being equivalent to a 180 degree rotation in complex space
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:32:15
I mean people often say "complex numbers are made up" or something like that.
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:32:21
In reality all numbers are made up.
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02/13/2022 22:32:39
It's just that we learn negatives so early that it seems natural to us by the time we get to the complex numbers.
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dldh06
02/13/2022 22:33:17
But complex numbers are made up, they're imaginary
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:33:23
people seem to be more comfortable with negative/fractional exponentials than complex
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:33:52
All numbers are imaginary
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:34:00
numbers just model real phenomens.
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:34:10
Sometimes it's just positive integers like people in a room.
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:34:15
The names of numbers are imaginary
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02/13/2022 22:34:17
Sometimes it's complex like points in a plane.
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:34:19
Not numbers themselves
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Dietz Nuts
02/13/2022 22:34:36
why r u guys still talking
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Dietz Nuts
02/13/2022 22:34:47
ok
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:34:59
Idk tbh
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:34:59
im sad there is no good explanation for multiplying negatives
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:35:03
I mean complex numbers fit way to perfectly into all math for them to be made up
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:35:29
Theyre an integral part of the basic nature of everything
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:35:34
I am a formalist, I think you are a platonist.
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:35:51
It's a very old debate.
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:35:53
Idk what that means
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:36:02
It means exactly this point of view
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:36:17
R isnt algebraic in R. C is tho :D
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dldh06
02/13/2022 22:36:31
It's not your channel anymore so it doesn't matter
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Dietz Nuts
02/13/2022 22:36:37
ok
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:37:05
https://cdn.discordapp.c…AEB48B961282.png
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:37:14
"numbers are real in an abstract way/created by god/etc" vs "it's definition pushing, we just define something and it must be that way because that's what we defined"
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:37:24
platonist vs formalist
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:37:38
viewpoint
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Shuri2060
02/13/2022 22:38:13
f(x) = 1-x ff(x) = 1-(1-x) = -(-x) Surely we can tack this onto something . . .
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:38:28
I mean basic numbers have stayed the same since the beginning of time
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PapaBread
02/13/2022 22:38:44
And everything of basic math even though undiscovered has fit perfectly with it
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M8732
02/13/2022 22:38:48
Yeah because it's a very useful tool.
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