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ramonov
11/04/2021 21:53:47
there's a distinction when used in math
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11/04/2021 21:53:54
Theres multiple uses
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11/04/2021 21:54:08
Its super olden to use it that way
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11/04/2021 21:54:12
But its technically correct
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nullset
11/04/2021 21:54:28
But we're not in olden times...
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11/04/2021 21:56:06
Shrug
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11/04/2021 21:56:16
Maybe its not olden in math like hes saying
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nullset
11/04/2021 21:57:22
I dunno, I've never come across it outside of it being used in the case of it being interchangeable with "therefore"
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ramonov
11/04/2021 21:57:51
hence is used in questions when they want you to explicitly use what was just obtained to do something
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nullset
11/04/2021 21:58:34
Interesting, I wonder how many students taking Calc 1 truly understand that distinction
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11/04/2021 21:58:57
I mean the hence is more of a flow word
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11/04/2021 21:59:05
All you have to read is "find dy/dx"
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nullset
11/04/2021 21:59:42
yeah true, but I'm thinking for average students it could be a confusing flow word to use and they might confound things a bit
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ramonov
11/04/2021 22:00:16
dont think I've seen that many people that had an issue with "hence"
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nullset
11/04/2021 22:01:17
Well, I rarely see it being used in this fashion, but that would be a good question to ask! But thanks for letting me know, I learned something new!
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11/04/2021 22:03:14
depends a bit on context I guess
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nullset
11/04/2021 22:03:32
Yeah, that's what was confusing me.
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ramonov
11/04/2021 22:04:06
perhaps in stuff like proofs some people may prefer to use hence
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nullset
11/04/2021 22:04:19
Yeah, that's where I see it often
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nullset
11/04/2021 22:04:31
Not in basic Calc 1 questions haha
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11/04/2021 22:05:01
they use it when they want you to solve a question in a specific way
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nullset
11/04/2021 22:05:14
ah ok, cool
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11/04/2021 22:05:17
Hence in a question is just saying "Using the previous answer, do this"
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11/04/2021 22:05:33
Yeah, I looked it up in the "math" sense
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Omegabet_
11/04/2021 22:05:37
Hence or otherwise is "Use the previous answer, or don't, up to you"
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11/04/2021 22:05:39
some writers may offer an alternative with hence or otherwise
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11/04/2021 22:05:42
eep
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11/04/2021 22:05:58
~~Usually you just follow the hence~~
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nullset
11/04/2021 22:06:32
Right, I was just musing over how many students would read it that way in this question without it being explained?
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nullset
11/04/2021 22:21:56
oh god, I just realized I read this too quickly and left out the word "and"... gah, that's why I was SO confused. I'm really sorry.
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11/04/2021 22:22:29
The and I think is the weirdest part
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11/04/2021 22:23:09
really? To me, this makes it more like "Do this AND then do this..."
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:51:09
hi there, this is about chemistry. I'm simply trying to understand the idea of solute concentration in a solution. Specifically `w/w` `w/v` `v/v`
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:52:09
from what I understand, you have your solute in either grams of weight/mass or the volume ml
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:52:16
same goes for the solution
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:52:43
and some % of that solution is made up of said solute
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:53:12
now how do I properly calculate this myself
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01/26/2022 11:53:15
say we have
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01/26/2022 11:54:15
``` msolution = 160g msolute = 40g ```
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:54:41
if it's gonna be a % then the number 100 is involved so we either multiply or divide by it somewhere
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01/26/2022 11:55:20
I could use some help
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01/26/2022 11:56:25
Is this saying there is 40g of solute dissolved in 160g of solution?
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yes
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So total mass is 200g?
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yes
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Isn’t solute concentration defined as the amount of solute in a volume ?
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:57:36
how much of that solute exists in a certain amount of the solution
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So it would seem to be something like 40/200?
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That is the mass is solute/ total mass of solution
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:58:34
so i just divide the solute into the solution?
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:58:41
nothing else needed?
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I don’t do chemistry so I’m not totally sure
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If you had the concentration
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 11:59:17
yeah Jesse, we cannot cook like this
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Could you then use it to find the amount of solute in 5G of the solution or something
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:00:10
this is going to be a mess
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01/26/2022 12:01:02
It seems like from a google that solute concentration refers to the mass of a solute dissolved in a volume of solution
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:01:06
to find a percentage you would need to divide or multiply it with 100 somehow though
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:01:21
otherwise you would get unstable results
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01/26/2022 12:01:45
Yes a percentage is times 100
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01/26/2022 12:02:34
`(100*40)/200` lol idk
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01/26/2022 12:02:45
I think there's actually 160g total
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01/26/2022 12:02:58
well you could see it that way too
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:03:08
and 40g of that is the solute
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01/26/2022 12:03:23
msolution = 160 g msolute = 40 g msolvent 120 g
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01/26/2022 12:03:32
Unless it's mislabeled
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01/26/2022 12:03:40
no that's about right
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01/26/2022 12:03:54
could you enlighten me?
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01/26/2022 12:04:10
The solution represents everything
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01/26/2022 12:04:13
Solute and solvent
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01/26/2022 12:04:33
So you'd divide by 160 g
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01/26/2022 12:04:50
The solute is already a part of the 160 g if it's labeled right
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01/26/2022 12:05:06
well it is labeled right, now
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01/26/2022 12:05:19
it's not a real problem, i just came up with it on the spot
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01/26/2022 12:05:48
Oh
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01/26/2022 12:05:50
okay, I'm supposed to divide the solute by the solution then
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01/26/2022 12:05:55
Ye
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:06:00
so 160/40
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01/26/2022 12:06:05
Other way
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:06:09
oh
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01/26/2022 12:06:17
Because you want a number less than 1
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01/26/2022 12:06:18
so you get floating point
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01/26/2022 12:06:22
Ye
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:06:23
but why
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:06:38
oh wait
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01/26/2022 12:06:38
Because you can't have a solution that's 120% solute
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01/26/2022 12:06:40
i get it
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:07:00
how much of the whole solution fits in the solute
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01/26/2022 12:07:10
that's what is being said here
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:07:29
and it's always going to be the part of the solution which is the solute
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01/26/2022 12:07:36
you can't have anything else
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01/26/2022 12:07:42
that's perfect, thank you
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01/26/2022 12:07:55
does anything change once we move on from grams to volume?
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Rashid Ibn Muhammed Ibn Abjad
01/26/2022 12:08:18
like if the solution or maybe the solute was in ml instead of g
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01/26/2022 12:09:21
Wait actually
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01/26/2022 12:09:32
All of this would depend on how you wanna measure concentration
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01/26/2022 12:09:50
I think typically you'd measure it using moles
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01/26/2022 12:10:00
Though ig you could use percent by mass or volume
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01/26/2022 12:10:10
So it'd all depend
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01/26/2022 12:10:15
im trying to do that rn
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