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How much does Cathy's husband make? How much does Conoco Kevin make?
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. Washington Post = Fake News Nothing to see here. .
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Second, TPP was not Liberals’ trade deal. CETA was top priority, then NAFTA. Big concessions in deal where participation was primarily defensive - Canada didn’t want to be out of a deal that included US - never made sense, especially with key strategic goal for participation gone... ...thread from Michael Geist!...
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x Prime Minister Justin Trudeau introduced the first episode of The Story of Us last month. The series was commissioned by the CBC ----- isn't our PM over-exposed? really, introduced the first episode? why not just give him a role as one of the actors - maybe one of the ruggedly handsome lumberjacks? is this payback for Trudeau increasing the funding for the CBC?
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Canadian ad agencies are just regional branches of American; the clever people are in the United States. The lack of advertising imagination, here, is embarrassing. If you want truly witty commercials and print ads, move to England. Canadian advertising staff are Toronto and Vancouver plodders.
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Isn't it great that through the game of football they are now interested in getting involved in something worth caring about? I don't know these kids, so I can't comment on your idea that they've never worked for anything and just want attention, but it seems like football is causing more young people to wake up and think about serious issues.
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You should definetley have a gun with you for a last resort if your bear spray doesn't work you always need a backup plan for if thing get too crazy
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I must come clean. Donald Trump groped me several years ago but I'd be happy to drop the allegation if only he would 'donate' a sizable 'pain and suffering' gesture of say, $850,000 to ease my tormented soul and humiliation.
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What's the over/under right now? Over a million or under a million bux? Will it go to court or be settled? Personally, (and don't get all hyper at me people), I think the guy's entitled to a few grand for medical. What's a split lip worth? Pain and suffering maybe 25-50k. Loss of income......well he can still work. How hard is it to write the illegal Percocet scripts he'd been making a fortune on, not to mention the male/female carnal pleasures he traded some of those scripts for. Plus he can still play poker.......his day job during his 15 years of having his medical license suspended. Punative damages, that's the big one. Again, I don't think the guy should get over 100k. United screwed up and needs to shell out some money. But I don't think he's entitled to mega millions.
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Regarding: "The bishops, however, were clearly worried about what Trump might do to immigrants, especially in breaking up families and deporting those who are undocumented. Early on the first day, they approved a statement in support of the immigrant community in the United States. " Part 4: - If the USA returns children who are US citizens, or people who grew up in US because their parents brought them to the US; then the USCCB should work with the state department to track young people who are citizens or who grew up in the USA to ensure that they find their way back to USA as adults. In the meantime the state department will make sure that the families of these children have work, are kept safe, and that the children and young people are well educated so that when they return to the USA as citizens or as entering immigrants they will be ready to work or to enter university. - The cost to the US for this should give pause before anyone is sent to back to country of origin.
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I have to think this will increase Trumps support as many Americans will have trouble figuring out how temporarily banning certain countries passport holders from entering their country is unconstitutional. Indeed several legal opinions on various news networks did indeed find the original ruling overreaching.
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Much easy to spend billions on new weapons and send troops to Europe then to build good relationship with Russia.How dare general Flinn to connect Islam and terror.
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Aha! THAT explains many of your remarks!!! 😜
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Dr. Schwab, I don't think Trumpet supporters will watch this incredible video. They are too focused on Benghazi and Obama's citizenship.
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In the words the the late President Nixon, "...people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook....." Lets see where this investigation leads to.
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This just doesn't belong on CB. What I get from this trash is that they condone people taking secret video at private CASUAL parties (I see shorts, jeans and slippers on the guests which usually means relax, have fun, we're off the clock/record tonight) of people just to make trouble. I've never viewed CB as a TMZ/Sensationalism type publication but obviously I was wrong. What exactly did he do so wrong given the setting? Dropped an F bomb and gave a passionate speech that probably could have been shorter? Hardly a case for an inquisition and public hanging. Kicking a man while he is down is just shady. Talk about standards. I'm holding CB to a higher standard and they didn't meet it with this one.
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Trump already provided perfectly clear guidance. He wants a "big, beautiful health plan that will work bigly for everyone".
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If this article had been written on the first of April I might have had more respect for it. Instead I find a mismash of the usual and tired refrain that "all things indigenous good" "all things non-indigenous bad". The author needs to get out more. Has he never heard of Galileo, Werner Heisenberg, Isaac Newton, Claude Monet, Leonhard Euler, or Molière? (and that only includes a few of the geniuses from my own European heritage.) Aboriginal "leaders" in this country have a small window now to figure out how they will join modern Canada and benefit from the opportunities it offers to all its citizens, irrespective of race and cultural background. As immigration changes the ethnic make-up of this country at an accelerating pace, how does the author with this naive narrative think his future will cope with hundreds of thousands of mandarin-speaking immigrants from mainland China? To quote just one example of the forces molding Canada going forward.
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Lots of hypotheticals...
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I agree, Neko. It was all down hill after Christianity became the official state religion under Constantine.. In that short period of time from its inception to the next 300 hundred years Christianity moved from the persecuted remnant of believers to the persecutors of those who disagreed in any way.. Regal splendor, authority and legalism have pressed hard against the original simple teachings of Jesus ever since. Today one would hardly recognize that it is the same religion that Jesus founded. What in the world have we done?
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What part of the bill are you referring to that will "reverse the progress we have made"?
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the gov't has not done well with education, transit or police. . I believe health care is a human right and we have a good system in ontario
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HOLY COW BATMAN, he is a FELON linked to a gun used to kill a cop, he only had 20 grams of METH on him, (isn't METH HORRIFIC whether its one gram or whatever), Jones was born in Las Vegas and had a extensive criminal record, has spent most of his life in prison, MOVED to Oregon to get a "FRESH START", found a job and relapsed back into METH. A Real Oregon GEM. I would like to know who gave him a job at the coast. I would not support that business. These types of criminals are moving to Oregon in droves to get a "FRESH START", why is that???????? My opinion, Because of all the FREEBIES...................
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So much better to just ignore cops killing blacks, right fiveo? They deserve it. We just want to watch a football game and get drunk. So very American. If God did have a hand in the founding, he or she must be shaking their head like crazy today. How could a country get away from God so much where violance is tolerated and actually celebrated each week? So very Christian.
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""slams Mayor Kirk Caldwell and his administration for lacking benchmarks and mismanaging programs aimed at sheltering people."" Are we surprised at the homeless programs inefficiency, or the rail for that matter?
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Maybe junior needs to put gender and indigenous politics aside for a little while and deal with this elephant in the room. I don't think he has the parts to deal with this so he hides in his little cocoon of gender politics and indigenous "issues" . His speech at the UN just backs this up. He is over his head.
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It means that Trump is politically incorrect and the establishment is worried...
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For years, white paint was slopped on the windmill in lieu of regular proper maintenance. From the public’s perspective, the structure looked sound on the outside but in reality, was rotting away. Rotting wood, like corroding metal (see 2016, million dollar emergency bridge water line hanger repair) requires more than surface paint to address years of decay. It is disgraceful that this iconic symbol of Oak Harbor was allowed over time to ultimately become the safety hazard that it is today.
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You just nailed it! They're mad because it wasn't a good enough win. Stupid popular vote. Stupid looser performers who won't perform. We didn't want a big splashy inauguration anyway! Stupid looser women in their pink looser hats!
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Has the west not stayed out up until now? and how has that worked out? I don't advocate war, but it looks like we've got it either way.
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Nonsense.There have been may wars since WWII, all were conventional.
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Let me explain as simply as I can, so you can understand. Not everyone will want to use rail and there will always be people who will want or need to use cars. Take a sales representative who is on the road all day. Rail is an alternative for people who can leave the car at home until they get home and avoid sitting in traffic for hours. As for jobs, if someone is making $80,000 or $100,000 a year in town and you think it's easy to find a job like that anywhere else on Oahu? It's okay for someone making minimum wage or possibly mid range wage, but for the professionals it's not a realistic option. You make it sound like it's no problem when it is a problem. Don't you think that everyone would want to work closer to where they live if they could? Of course. It just makes sense that if you only have to travel 15 minutes for a job versus driving one or more hours you would take the job closer to home, if everything was equal.
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The Yummy Mummys have taken their fickle spending habits to Amazon and Apple.
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I would.
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most of the retired teachers I know are out traveling the world while many of us sit here in Colorado working our assets off and anticipating doing so until we are unable to.
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So how come it's only happening to women who get the virus while pregnant? The pesticides are in use all over the world.
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Thank you for your wonderful letter Ursula. You are a model immigrant. Bless you.
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Sounds like American history ended in the 1950s. Its laugh out loud hilarious to listen to a republican give a party history lesson...they always skip over the part where all the Dixiecrats and a whole bunch of other Democrats changed parties in the 60s. because Republicans opposed the voting rights and civil rights acts and the Democratic party mostly supported both. It isn't revisionist history, its history elimination. No thinking person falls for this nonsense...but its pathetic that some republican still try to push the con. The republican party has for the better part of 2 generations been the comfortable home of the most bigoted and racist among us...and on that point there is no debate.
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The argument is not we don't need to do something because the other guy is worse...it's about not needing to institute specific policies that cannot be shown to be effective in addressing the problem from a global perspective while at the same time, imposing a disproportionate local burden on the societies which take those ineffective actions. Rather than the professor's chocolate bar moral argument, which is flawed simply because stealing always has a victim, irrespective of whether the amount stolen is large or small....a better way to judge the global warming action argument is the 2 trains speeding towards each other on the same track analogy. If the trains are already so close that both need to apply the full brakes to avert complete disaster , and yet one engineer refuses to do so, there is no moral reason to stop serving lunch in the dining car of the other train.... climate change is a technical global issue, it requires an enforceable co-ordinated technical response
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That's for sure !
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"In the immediate aftermath of the Vegas shooting, gun haters were blaming firearms owners and the NRA." Which was an entirely appropriate reaction, and which in a normal country would be followed up by political and legislative action.
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I believe one day they will make a movie about the Scientest who destroyed North Koreas missile launches.
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Education is the key. Once people are taught that the Catholic Church is the One True Church, the issue of religious freedom will be solved and the Church will be given the freedom it deserves, to do as it wishes, free from the restraints of mere secular law.
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Your assignment for today, Doctor: 1. Re-organize thoughts. 2. Clearly state your position. 3. Identify cause-and-affect. 4. State argument within the word-count of ONE comment. 5. Resubmit.
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People have a culture, they don't own the culture. Others have the right to adopt, practice, or write about any aspect of the culture if they so wish. To stifle any creativity because it is not rooted in one's own culture is ridiculous. Grow up !!
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How come these job creation articles never reference immigration and the increase in general population?
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Your knowledge is quite limited. Several of the residents where I trained left and didn't come back. I prefer living here, but many people do not have the same opinion.
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I liked the tweet from Tim Matheson ("Otter"). RIP, Mr. Furst.
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I am on disability. I am 54 years old. I worked 2=3 jobs when I could work. I make 2 much for SNAP benefits, but I do use the food pantry a couple of tomes a month. I eat better when I go to the Food Pantry. I do buy some of my groceries at Walmart or Winco, and I look for sales on products and use coupons. I do the best in what mpney I have. I cannot hold a jpb anymore, but like O said I use to work 60 hours a week.
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EXACTLY!, You are in charge.
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theobservanh Would you consider editing (deleting and re-submit) your comment to: "The bottom 50% of taxpayers contribute less than 1% of income taxes collected and consume over 50% of government services delivered." It is tough enough to be in the bottom 50% without slurs. I've been there.
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Hey Allie, did you read the article about Michelle Obama calling out women who did not vote for Clinton as voting against their own voice....? Talk about respect, huh... And you did not see that post from SA because once again, it doesn't fit their narrative. As a woman, do you not feel disrespected by someone telling you to vote a certain way because you have the same genitalia...? If you can respect what MO said, you gotta respect wn...
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good practice for when he'll have to pardon his family members; also, good to know that if he pardons Manafort, the former campaign manager won't rat him out
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The Jehovah's Witnesses have always refuse to stand for the flag; anthem or pledge. They consider it to be making a religious idol. It seems to me that for any other religion that they have a good point. The flag is not supposed to be a religious idol for worship where not paying homage is treated as a heresy. Why would CCU support creating a religious idol?
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...pssst...just to quibble it's aisle and not isle.
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What I do not understand, if there is not a racist undertone to the organization, why do they get so upset when signs are changed to ALL lives matter? If they are truly caring about all lives, why should they get so upset?
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That would depend on whether Trump does something as great as organizing and inspiring a years-long series of marches, protests, and voter registration drives culminating in the end of racially segregated public facilities in the US. Now Dr. King is an icon representing racial equality, which is still, almost fifty years after King's assassination, a work in progress. So, King isn't just history, he symbolizes a struggle that is still central to our national identity as a "great melting-pot". What great, transcending national turning-point (and it would have to be for the better to compare with King's achievement), do you think Trump might inspire and lead? And remember, Ronald Reagan associated with known members of the American Communist Party, and tried to join the party, in 1937. However, Reagan made no significant, essential and lasting changes to our country, as King did.
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Entry level positions require skills. Other wise they wouldn't be called "JOBS". To arbitrarily just say "you don't deserve 15$ because you are just starting out at and don't know enough" is ridiculous. A livable wage is what we are striving for no matter what the $$ amount is.
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The political experts, they say, said the same thing about Lisa Murkowski's chances of winning a write in campaign. I hope someone takes up the mantra, "To hell with politics, just do what's right for America". In my view, as someone who is tired of all the negativity, Americans need a candidate we can all believe in.
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' …though it could be argued that a lot of corporate welfare never goes back into the economy, …at least not the American economy, …that's what those offshore tax havens are for. .
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Goodness......You need to read the history of election fraud. You need to check the statistics regarding voter fraud. You will find there is absolutely NO basis for your claims. Study the extremely decentralized system of balloting in the U.S. First, you will see the Electoral College system which breaks the system into fifty different segments.....each fully independent. Then each State is broken into precincts; further decentralizing the process. Each State and each precinct has fully accountable systems for vote counting. It would take a nation-wide, state-wide and precinct-wide conspiracy to "rig" an election. I don't mean to be insulting, but if you feel the process is rigged and, additionally, President Obama did't really win in 2012, there's really no purpose in my attempting to have a rational conversation with you. I can only say I'm sorry that you have so little faith in our country.
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Its not reasonable when the legislators, school administration etc blow money through it like monopoly money, hiring their friends for very high paid positions. #1 they have a very large amount of administrators, who are paid far more then teachers, who never get laid off cause no one cares about that, they rather layoff teachers to pull on the heart strings to get their way. If it was any other career no one would care, they'd say sad but such is life, maybe cut reckless spending. Find a new career or move somewhere that has opening for your career CHOICE! We will not let them steal more money from us to get their way, i don't care how many people they lay off.
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We keep hearing how sacred our education budget is. But at the muni and state level, every time there is a shortfall it seems the school districts solve it by firing teachers. You never hear them getting rid of administrators or overhead staff. In a state with a population around 700,000 we have over SIXTY .. yes 6-0 ... sixty independent school districts. I'm sure each school district has its own superintendent and administrative staff. I'm willing to bet that less than 20% of those school districts are locally funded. I'm also willing to bet more than half of these school districts have less than 1,000 students. I would hate to guess what the ratio of administrators to classroom teachers is in the ASD. May if we actually focused our money on education rather than overhead these fine teachers could retain their jobs and we could provide something better than our "47th best out of 50" education system?
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"paperwork"? why not call it what it is - BUREAUCRATIC INEPTITUDE! everyone knows governmental workers have no incling of what the personal character trait descriptive words moral and/or ethical mean - let alone apply! they have no shame - when they collect their paychecks! they just laugh all the way to the bank!
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".....the news anchor, who segues from introducing a story to rendering judgment on the characters within that story. " -Elizabeth Rice Grossmann This practice is so commonplace I thought it was acceptable communication. May we hear more from you? Many thanks.
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OK. We disagree to agree. No probs, right? It's just comments. So should I just not comment?
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Correct. In America you are innocent until proven guilty. One does not need to prove their innocence. I thought this was common knowledge.
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What David Duke says, or what you say"Bubbles" really doesn't matter. You will not find President Trump saying anything to support either of you. One major mistake the left made, and is continuing to make, is that although you attribute character flaws and misstatements to the President it is not him, but rather it is you who have to live with them, because you expose the nasty, hateful, message underlying your position that has nothing to do with him.
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Dolan makes my skin crawl... such a sychophant. Makes me ashamed to be of Irish descent!
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Kizla is just loving this season because he gets to trash the Broncos all year long.
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Just as Richardson stomped Kitz and Vins had no chance for mayor. I wouldn't suggest a bookie job in the near future. I do think Trunp can win. Democrats are keeping the ammo dry, they won't after the primaries are over. Trumps ignorance, (knowledge, not intelligence), will be obvious to all when compared Clinton's foriegn experience - the most important job of any President. If the Democrats lose, it will be their own fault for looking backward at Bill and crowning Hillary. When she struggles, she embraces Bill, that's not exactly a sign of strength. I may think she's got a bad rap, but it is what it is, she is not seen independently from her Husban, she doesn't WANT be seen independently
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This girl had a load of felonies from such a young age. Her last Facebook post was angry. Real upset. Why didn't her family step up years ago to guide her? Not only was her life lost but their is anot her life, the person who hit her forever altered. I wager a GoFundMe goes up in 3,2,1.
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Dave, I can't help but notice that you hastily register a "disagree" with every comment that challenges yours. Is this the behavior that counters "further division" or is it one that adds to it; was there not one thing mentioned that deserved consideration?
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The developer has not spent much time in the area.Moneyed millennial s do not want to deal with neighboring trailer courts, homeless camps, cheap hookers and tweak era. This is a boondoggle of epic proportions the council members must be getting kickbacks in exchange for 7 million in taxes shifted to the citizens of Kent. What will they do next ? Sell off the parks to developers under the table? Oops that was last years deal.
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It astonishes me that Donald Trump thinks he can do the job of president with such a fragile ego---Especially after being Birther-in-Chief for the last president! Pretty easy to poke the guy---It's going to be an entertaining three years...
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"Nones" is a colloquial term for U ofT students who don't have a religion? Better to call religious students faithers.
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119. When these means which We have pointed out do not fulfill the needs, particularly of a larger or poorer family, Christian charity towards our neighbor absolutely demands that those things which are lacking to the needy should be provided; hence it is incumbent on the rich to help the poor, so that, having an abundance of this world's goods, they may not expend them fruitlessly or completely squander them, but employ them for the support and well-being of those who lack the necessities of life. They who give of their substance to Christ in the person of His poor will receive from the Lord a most bountiful reward when He shall come to judge the world; they who act to the contrary will pay the penalty.[94] Not in vain does the Apostle warn us: "He that hath the substance of this world and shall see his brother in need, and shall shut up his bowels from him: how doth the charity of God abide in him?"[95]
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In civilized countries, it is not necessary to pack at weapon at church since the chances of a shooter bursting through the doors is pretty much nil. In the U.S., not so much.
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Yeah, and these are the same types of people that have been harassing women's healthcare clinics for decades.
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Typical red neck response and clearly someone who lacks any sense-you are part of the problem and why we continue to rely on poisonous fossil fuels. Wasteful, arrogant. I don't hate native Americans-I am defending them against corporate greed, filthy destructive fossil fuels.
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Donald Trump "eeked out a victory"? His victory was 306 to 232 in the Electoral College. That, my Canadian friend, is where the election is won or lost. True Clinton won the popular vote..but, she lost where it counted. You also missed a significant--but largely ignored by Democrats--statistic: The Democrat party lost 900+ seats in state legislatures during the Obama administration. They now only hold 15 state governorships and in only 13 states do the Democrats still hold the governorship AND majority in the legislature. Further, a look at the election map by country shows a sea of "red" even in the "blue" states. No, there has been a Republican revolution at the grass-roots level while the Democrat party wasn't looking.
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Actually Clinton has a 7% lead in the overall polls and substantially more in some states....try Five Thirty Eight. And Real Clear Politics.....for up to date polling.... Nate Silver (538) has an amazing record of accurate prognosticating results of presidential races based on his polling assessments....I highly recommend 538
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Ms. Freeland is a step-up from Mr.Dion - who was smart but peevish, and seemed completely out-of-his element in Foreign Affairs. Hassan in Immigration is problematic. While he's probably a fine individual personally - putting a human rights lawyer in charge of immigration is like putting a kid in charge of a candy store . Get ready for the chaos of the 90's and early 2000's to return to the immigration and refugee system - and important safeguards against phonies, asylum claim "shoppers", and problematic individuals to be dropped. In short, it means policy where you let softness of the heart spread to the brain.
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The oil industry is not that big.
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A climate change study was conducted by MIT in April 2016, titled 'How much of a difference will the Paris Agreement make?'. "The research showed that if countries abided by their pledges in the deal, global warming would slow by between 0.6 degree and 1.1 degrees Celsius by 2100, Reuters reported." Wow! A 1% slowing down of global warming after 80 years! In other words, it would make a tiny difference. THAT'S "IF COUNTRIES ABIDED BY THEIR PLEDGES IN THE DEAL!" A non-binding agreement that has no teeth. Let's see, I wonder how many countries would keep their promises when nothing would happen if they didn't. I would bet the U.S. would be one of the stupid countries that actually kept or tried to keep their promises while the rest of the world laughed at us. We would have to pay $3 bill a year to countries like China and India who don't have to do anything for years! Won't happen. The stupid, rich kid just got a whole lot smarter.
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PS: Maybe the all-volunteer boards are tired of their unwanted task of "damage control!" Especially, since it is not on their agenda. PLUS testifiers can be real abusive with no basis for targeting these committee members in a civilized open hearing. People are just angry!
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Hmmm found this after seeing Austin's pic on the FB page of the friends involved with Grunwald & Woodford deaths. What ever happened with this case? Is there a connection?
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Siemian needs to learn to step up in the pocket when feeling pressure instead of to the back and side. Also these miscommunications/blown coverages are getting a little bit too consistent for my taste, loved the Simmons play obviously, but how did EJ Manual manage to look like Joe Montana out there? In relatively good shape going into the bye, can't wait til Ray comes back, we need him to bolster that pass rush... Go Broncos.
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yes....best part of the Globe often
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Your screen eliminates any company whose stock has returned more than 20% over the last year. Why in heaven's name would you want to do this? By doing so, you're simply removing from consideration many of the best investment candidates. Would you really prefer to invest in a company with a 3.5% dividend yield that grows its dividend by 5% a year over one with a 5% dividend yield that grows its dividend by 10% per year?
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What were their races?
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Blast some tear gas into the church and drag this criminal out in shackles. What are they waiting for?
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Well on the upside when it comes to intellect neither of them will have a commanding lead . Trump favours Russia, Trudeau China - so both would prefer to act in a fully authoritarian manner another draw. Finally Justin should also inform Trump that if he appoints Sarah Palin his ambassador to Canada, Trudeau will appoint his mommy as Canada's ambassador to the US. That way everything would continue to be in pretty much perfect balance.
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Gotta love the symbolism..."Seattle and Portland are growing by leaps and bounds" whereas Eugene gets "trickled" on...yeah, that about covers it...
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They came all the way from Texas just to display their un- christian hatred? Wow, who is funding these creeps? Who funds the Westboro Baptist Church?
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Trump, contradicting the many and diverse scenarios outlined by White House staff to "explain" the Comey firing, admitted on national television that he fired Comey simply because a number of FBI investigations were putting heat on the White House. This is, de facto, an admission by Trump that he had obstructed justice. Trump asking Comey for a declaration of "loyalty" in a private dinner constitutes obstruction of justice. Trump asking Comey to stop the FBI investigation into Flynn's contacts with Russian figures constitutes an obstruction of justice. There are, of course, additional examples.
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"The driver faces charges of driving on a suspended license, and reckless driving." It's funny how often those two go together......
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"Package is OK; content minimal" Thought that the other day listening to some stuff by Van Halen. How Do you Know When It's Love: aurally, fabulous. Lyrically? Ehhh... Same could be said for hundreds of "songs" produced over the last 20 years or so. Make that, "half-century", 'cuz you have to include dozens of "dance" hits including the Contours' "Do You Love Me" ("Watch me now!") and Nobody But Me, the 1967--The Human Beinz, hit in which the single word "No" must be repeated 50 times, and in fact, becomes song's memorable background chant. Ahh, but the package!
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How do you transport the Blood of Christ as an EMHC might I ask?
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The executive branch does not define, without limit or constraint, the interests of the state. The entire US constitution is set up to make any action difficult by requiring alignment by all 3 branches of government. There is always friction between them and that is by design. Congress passes legislation, the president vetoes it, then congress over-rides the veto. Someone takes the new law to the Supreme Court that then rules it illegal. Those "well-defined functions" result in friction and all of that is by the intent and design of the US constitution. So if a President signs and executive order (bypassing Congress, a bad precedent set by Obama but now used shamelessly by Trump) and a judge stays it on grounds it is against the law, that is the system. That is not a conspiracy. There is no "deep state" except in the minds of some very frustrated Trump supporters. Trump is not a CEO he is President (and not a wanna-be tyrant). The rules are different. apply the rules.
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