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It's always been a struggle to get attention for those guys. | it's always been a struggle to get attention for those | It's always been a struggle to get attention for those | it's always been a struggle to get attention for those guys. |
Michael Hurd wrote a book about the history of black college football programs and how the NFL neglected them for a long time. | michael hurd wrote a book about the history of black, college football programs and how the nfl neglected them for a, long | Michael. Hurd wrote a book about the history of black college football programs and how the NFL neglected them for a long, | michael hurd wrote a book about the history of black college football programs and how the nfl neglected them for a long time. |
From the late '20s until the mid-'40s, there were no black players in the NFL. | from the late '20s until the mid-'40s there were no black players in the | From the late '20s until the. mid-'40s there were. no black players in the | from the late '20s until the mid-'40s, there were no black players in the nfl. |
Nor were they allowed to play at the big-time southern college programs like Ole Miss or Alabama, not until the early-'70s, leaving kids like Claude Humphrey, who grew up in Memphis, with few options. | nor were they allowed, to play at the big-time southern college programs like ole; miss or, alabama not until the early-'70s leaving kids. like claude humphrey who grew, up in memphis with. few. | Nor were they allowed to play at the big-time southern college programs like, Ole. Miss or Alabama not until the early-'70s leaving kids like. Claude Humphrey who grew up in Memphis with few | nor were they allowed to play at the big-time southern college programs like ole miss or alabama, not until the early-'70s, leaving kids like claude humphrey, who grew up in memphis, with few options. |
If they wanted to play college football in the South back then, you either went to a black college or most of those guys left the South. | if they wanted to play college football in, the south back then you either went to a black college or most of those guys left, the | If they wanted to play; college. football in. the; South back then you either went to a black college or most of those guys left the | if they wanted to play college football in the south back then, you either went to a black college or most of those guys left the south. |
At first, black college programs didn't draw much interest from the NFL. Not until the rival, American Football League, needed to find untapped talent in 1960. | at. first black college programs didn't draw much interest from. the nfl not until the rival american football league needed to find untapped talent in | At first black college programs didn't draw much interest from the NFL Not until the rival American Football League. needed to find. untapped talent in | at first, black college programs didn't draw much interest from the nfl. not until the rival, american football league, needed to find untapped talent in 1960. |
And of course, the AFL was likely to one-up the NFL or at least compete with the NFL. And it was the AFL that really started looking at black college players. | and of course the afl. was likely; to one-up the nfl or at least compete. with the. nfl and it was the afl that really started looking at black, college | And of course the AFL was, likely to one-up the NFL or at least compete, with the NFL And it was the AFL that really started looking at black college | and of course, the afl was likely to one-up the nfl or at least compete with the nfl. and it was the afl that really started looking at black college players. |
And they discovered superstars like Willie Lanier, Art Shell, Kenny Houston. They all have busts in the Hall of Fame today. So the NFL started focusing on these schools, too, but mostly through black newspapers. | and they discovered superstars like willie lanier art shell kenny houston they, all have busts in, the hall of fame, today; so the nfl started focusing on these schools too but mostly through black | And they discovered superstars. like Willie Lanier Art Shell Kenny Houston They all have busts in the Hall of Fame today So, the NFL started focusing on these schools too, but mostly through black | and they discovered superstars like willie lanier, art shell, kenny houston. they all have busts in the hall of fame today. so the nfl started focusing on these schools, too, but mostly through black newspapers. |
Every year the Pittsburgh Courier did Black College All-American Teams. | every year the pittsburgh courier did black college all-american | Every year, the Pittsburgh Courier did. Black College All-American | every year the pittsburgh courier did black college all-american teams. |
So it wasn't, you know, boots on the ground watching these kids play? | so it wasn't you know boots on, the ground. watching these kids | So it wasn't you. know boots on the ground watching these kids | so it wasn't, you know, boots on the ground watching these kids play? |
No. They didn't attend a lot of games. They didn't know where a lot of those schools were. | no they didn't attend a, lot of games they didn't know where a lot of those schools | No They didn't attend a lot of games They didn't know where a lot of, those schools | no. they didn't attend a lot of games. they didn't know where a lot of those schools were. |
But the NFL figured it out quickly enough. In 1968, Claude Humphrey was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons with the number three pick overall - a huge coup for Tennessee State. | but the nfl figured it out, quickly enough. in, 1968, claude humphrey was drafted by the atlanta falcons with the number, three pick. overall - a, huge coup for. tennessee | But the NFL figured it out quickly enough In 1968, Claude, Humphrey was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons with the number three pick overall - a huge coup for Tennessee | but the nfl figured it out quickly enough. in 1968, claude humphrey was drafted by the atlanta falcons with the number three pick overall - a huge coup for tennessee state. |
Humphrey came along pretty much during the golden era because in the late-'60s, black college football was the onset of integration was about to start its decline. | humphrey came along pretty much during the golden era because in the. late-'60s black college football. was the onset of integration was about to start its | Humphrey came along pretty much during the golden era, because, in the late-'60s black, college football was the onset of integration was about to start its | humphrey came along pretty much during the golden era because in the late-'60s, black college football was the onset of integration was about to start its decline. |
...My home town up against Cleveland, second straight year they're going to meet up. But I gather it's like an uphill battle basically. This has been a long season. | ...my home town up against cleveland second straight year they're, going to meet up but i gather it's, like an uphill battle basically this has been a long, | ...My home town up against Cleveland second straight year they're going to meet, up But I gather it's like an uphill battle basically This, has been a long | ...my home town up against cleveland, second straight year they're going to meet up. but i gather it's like an uphill battle basically. this has been a long season. |
Absolutely. I love your home town. Boston got to the conference final without its two best players, Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving out with injuries. But Boston has shown itself to be incredibly tough and resilient like you, Audie Cornish. | absolutely i love your home town boston got. to the conference, final without its two best players gordon hayward and kyrie irving out with injuries but boston. has shown itself to be incredibly tough and resilient like you audie | Absolutely I, love your home town Boston, got to the conference, final without its two best players Gordon Hayward and. Kyrie Irving out with injuries But Boston has shown itself to be incredibly tough and, resilient like you Audie | absolutely. i love your home town. boston got to the conference final without its two best players, gordon hayward and kyrie irving out with injuries. but boston has shown itself to be incredibly tough and resilient like you, audie cornish. |
I'll take it (laughter). | i'll take, it | I'll take it | i'll take it (laughter). |
Very young players have played like veterans. Role-players have stepped up and played much bigger roles, all of this orchestrated by a very talented young coach, Brad Stevens, whose reputation grows with each game. But Cleveland, after suffering from injuries and a roster makeover in February - you wouldn't know that n... | very, young players have played like veterans role-players have stepped up and played much bigger roles all. of this, orchestrated by a very talented young coach brad stevens whose, reputation grows with, each game, but cleveland, after suffering from injuries and a roster makeover in february - you. wouldn't know that... | Very young players have played like veterans Role-players; have stepped up and played much bigger roles all, of this orchestrated by. a very talented young coach Brad Stevens whose reputation grows with each game But Cleveland after suffering from injuries and a roster makeover in February - you wouldn't know that now ... | very young players have played like veterans. role-players have stepped up and played much bigger roles, all of this orchestrated by a very talented young coach, brad stevens, whose reputation grows with each game. but cleveland, after suffering from injuries and a roster makeover in february - you wouldn't know that n... |
That's NPR sports correspondent Tom Goldman. Tom, thanks so much. | that's npr sports correspondent tom. goldman tom, thanks so | That's NPR sports correspondent Tom Goldman Tom thanks so | that's npr sports correspondent tom goldman. tom, thanks so much. |
You're welcome, Audie. | you're welcome | You're welcome | you're welcome, audie. |
The last survivor of the four men who attacked the American Embassy in Syria yesterday has died from his wounds. The other three attackers were killed by Syrian forces during their failed attempt to blow up the embassy. Now, during that siege the attackers cried Allhu Akbar - or, as it's often translated, God is great.... | the last survivor of the four men who attacked the american embassy in syria yesterday has died from his wounds the other three attackers were. killed by. syrian forces during, their failed attempt to blow up the embassy now during that siege the. attackers cried allhu akbar. - or as. it's, often translated god, is gre... | The last survivor of, the four men who attacked the American Embassy in, Syria yesterday has died from his wounds The other three attackers were killed by Syrian forces during their failed attempt to blow up the. embassy Now, during that, siege the attackers cried Allhu Akbar - or as; it's often translated God is great... | the last survivor of the four men who attacked the american embassy in syria yesterday has died from his wounds. the other three attackers were killed by syrian forces during their failed attempt to blow up the embassy. now, during that siege the attackers cried allhu akbar - or, as it's often translated, god is great.... |
All the time. The phrase, which is called Takbeer, turns up again and again in religious contexts. For example, the call to prayer begins with four repetitions of Allhu Akbar. Muslims also say it after slaughtering an animal, and some whisper it along with the rest of the call to prayer into the ear of a newborn baby. ... | all the time the phrase which is called takbeer turns, up again and again. in religious contexts for example the call to prayer begins with four repetitions of allhu akbar muslims, also say it after. slaughtering an animal and some whisper it, along with the rest of the call to prayer, into the ear of a. newborn baby m... | All the. time The phrase which. is called Takbeer turns up again and again in religious contexts For example the call to prayer begins with four repetitions of Allhu Akbar; Muslims also say it after slaughtering an animal and some whisper it along with the rest, of the call, to prayer into the ear of a newborn baby Mus... | all the time. the phrase, which is called takbeer, turns up again and again in religious contexts. for example, the call to prayer begins with four repetitions of allhu akbar. muslims also say it after slaughtering an animal, and some whisper it along with the rest of the call to prayer into the ear of a newborn baby. ... |
Sometimes crowds will shout the phrase as a form of applause, the way people might yell bravo at the end of a performance. It can be heard after Quranic readings and at soccer matches. Allhu Akbar isn't appropriate for all occasions. A pious person wouldn't say it in the bathroom and might frown upon its use in jokes. ... | sometimes crowds will shout the, phrase as a form of applause the way people might yell bravo at the end of. a performance it can be heard after quranic readings and at. soccer matches allhu akbar, isn't appropriate for all occasions a pious person wouldn't, say it in the bathroom and might frown upon its use in jokes ... | Sometimes. crowds will. shout the phrase as a. form of applause the way people might yell bravo at the end of a performance It can. be heard after Quranic readings and at; soccer matches Allhu Akbar isn't appropriate for all occasions A pious person wouldn't say, it, in the bathroom. and might frown upon its use in jok... | sometimes crowds will shout the phrase as a form of applause, the way people might yell bravo at the end of a performance. it can be heard after quranic readings and at soccer matches. allhu akbar isn't appropriate for all occasions. a pious person wouldn't say it in the bathroom and might frown upon its use in jokes. ... |
The phrase implies that no matter what you're doing, you should always remember that God is still greater. Militants on suicide missions often say Allhu Akbar because they believe they are committing a righteous act and because it's good form to die with praise for Allah on your lips. There's a widespread urban legend ... | the phrase implies that no matter what you're doing you should, always remember that god is still greater militants on suicide missions often say allhu akbar because they believe they, are committing a righteous act and because it's good, form to die with praise for allah on your lips there's a widespread urban legend ... | The phrase implies that no matter, what you're doing. you should always remember that God is still greater Militants on suicide missions. often say Allhu Akbar because they believe. they are committing a righteous act and because it's good form to die. with praise for Allah on your lips There's a widespread urban legen... | the phrase implies that no matter what you're doing, you should always remember that god is still greater. militants on suicide missions often say allhu akbar because they believe they are committing a righteous act and because it's good form to die with praise for allah on your lips. there's a widespread urban legend ... |
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That explainer from Slate senior editor Andy Bowers, and it was compiled by Slate's Daniel Engber. | that explainer from slate senior editor andy bowers and it was compiled by slate's daniel | That explainer from Slate senior editor Andy Bowers and it was compiled by Slate's Daniel. | that explainer from slate senior editor andy bowers, and it was compiled by slate's daniel engber. |
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We are following breaking news this morning. NPR has confirmed that President Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, has surrendered to the FBI as part of the special counsel investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. We will have more on this evolving story throughout the day... | we are following breaking news this morning npr has confirmed that president trump's. former campaign manager paul manafort has surrendered; to the fbi as part of the special counsel investigation into possible collusion between the trump campaign and russia, we will have, more on this evolving story, throughout the, | We are; following breaking news this morning NPR has confirmed that President Trump's, former campaign manager Paul Manafort has surrendered to the FBI as, part of the special, counsel investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, We will have more, on this evolving story throughout, the | we are following breaking news this morning. npr has confirmed that president trump's former campaign manager, paul manafort, has surrendered to the fbi as part of the special counsel investigation into possible collusion between the trump campaign and russia. we will have more on this evolving story throughout the day... |
Meanwhile, a different strand of the broader Russia story - executives from Facebook, Google and Twitter will be on Capitol Hill to talk to Congress this week about their social platforms and Russian interference in the 2016 campaign. NPR's Aarti Shahani joins us now. | meanwhile a different strand of, the. broader russia story, - executives from facebook google and twitter will be on capitol hill to talk. to congress this, week about their social platforms and russian interference, in the 2016 campaign npr's aarti shahani. joins us | Meanwhile a different strand of the broader Russia story - executives from Facebook Google and Twitter will be on Capitol Hill to talk to Congress this week about their social platforms and Russian interference in the 2016 campaign NPR's Aarti Shahani joins us | meanwhile, a different strand of the broader russia story - executives from facebook, google and twitter will be on capitol hill to talk to congress this week about their social platforms and russian interference in the 2016 campaign. npr's aarti shahani joins us now. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
You have focused a lot of your reporting in recent months on Facebook, which came under a whole lot of scrutiny after it came out that Russian agents had bought thousands of ads on Facebook during the presidential election. Can you talk a little bit about how Mark Zuckerberg has navigated all of this? | you have focused a lot, of your reporting in recent months on facebook which came under a whole lot of scrutiny after it came out that russian agents had bought thousands of ads. on facebook during the presidential election can you talk a little bit about how mark zuckerberg has navigated all of | You have focused a lot of your reporting in recent months on Facebook which; came under a whole lot of scrutiny after it came out that; Russian agents had bought thousands of ads on Facebook during the; presidential election Can you talk a little bit about how Mark Zuckerberg has navigated all, of | you have focused a lot of your reporting in recent months on facebook, which came under a whole lot of scrutiny after it came out that russian agents had bought thousands of ads on facebook during the presidential election. can you talk a little bit about how mark zuckerberg has navigated all of this? |
Yeah, actually - you know, I think what he's being forced to come to terms with now is this big blind spot he's had from the beginning. Think of it this way - here's this young man who starts a company with a supremely techno-utopian goal - let's connect the world. And he does it... | yeah actually - you know i think what he's being. forced to come to terms with now is this big blind spot, he's had from the beginning. think of it this way - here's this young man who starts. a company with a supremely techno-utopian. goal. - let's connect the world and he does | Yeah. actually - you know I think what he's being forced to come to. terms with now is this big blind spot he's had from the beginning Think of it this way - here's, this young man who starts a company with a supremely techno-utopian goal - let's connect the world And he does | yeah, actually - you know, i think what he's being forced to come to terms with now is this big blind spot he's had from the beginning. think of it this way - here's this young man who starts a company with a supremely techno-utopian goal - let's connect the world. and he does it... |
Sounds great, yeah. | sounds great | Sounds, great | sounds great, yeah. |
Yeah. And he does it without the awareness of something that is quite obvious, which is connecting in and of itself is not an inherent good, right? It can be good or bad. We're human. And so this oversight - call it ambition or being naive - it gets built into the very bones of the platform. This is what insiders, peop... | yeah and. he does it without, the awareness of. something that is quite. obvious which, is connecting in and of itself is not an inherent good right? it can be good or bad we're human and so this oversight - call it ambition or being naive - it gets built into the very bones of the platform this is what insiders people... | Yeah And he, does it without the, awareness of something that is quite obvious which is connecting in and of itself is not an inherent good right? It can be good or bad We're, human And so this oversight - call it ambition or being naive - it gets built into the very bones of the platform This is what insiders people w... | yeah. and he does it without the awareness of something that is quite obvious, which is connecting in and of itself is not an inherent good, right? it can be good or bad. we're human. and so this oversight - call it ambition or being naive - it gets built into the very bones of the platform. this is what insiders, peop... |
OK, we should just note briefly NPR and other major news organizations do get money from Facebook to make videos. But, Aarti, you talk about this negative stuff that has surfaced around Facebook. Has the company done anything to change its processes to combat these criticisms? | ok we. should just, note briefly npr and other major news organizations do get money, from facebook to make videos but aarti you talk about this negative stuff that has surfaced around facebook has the company done anything to change its. processes to combat these | OK we should just note briefly NPR and. other major, news organizations do get money. from Facebook to make videos But Aarti you, talk about this. negative stuff that has surfaced around, Facebook Has the company done anything to change its processes to combat these | ok, we should just note briefly npr and other major news organizations do get money from facebook to make videos. but, aarti, you talk about this negative stuff that has surfaced around facebook. has the company done anything to change its processes to combat these criticisms? |
You know, yeah, I know from talking with current and former employees that they are now scrambling trying to figure out how to monitor and quantify the bad stuff. One key problem is that the main metric they've been relying on, which is what users report as bad content. It's garbage according to people at Facebook who'... | you know yeah i know from talking with current and former employees that they are now scrambling trying to figure out how to monitor and quantify the bad stuff one key problem is that the, main metric they've been relying on which is what users report as bad content it's garbage according to people at facebook who've h... | You know yeah, I. know from talking, with current. and former employees. that they are now scrambling trying to, figure out how to monitor; and quantify the bad, stuff One key problem is that the main metric they've been relying on which is what, users report as, bad content It's garbage, according to people at Faceboo... | you know, yeah, i know from talking with current and former employees that they are now scrambling trying to figure out how to monitor and quantify the bad stuff. one key problem is that the main metric they've been relying on, which is what users report as bad content. it's garbage according to people at facebook who'... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Or you can flag a post as - you can flag a business page as offensive when really it's just a competitor you want to take down. | or you can flag a post as - you can flag a business page as offensive when really, it's just a competitor you; want to take | Or you can flag a post as - you can. flag a business page as offensive when really it's just a competitor. you want to take | or you can flag a post as - you can flag a business page as offensive when really it's just a competitor you want to take down. |
So you've talked to a number of people at Facebook. What do the rank and file make of this new moment for their company and these conflicts that they're trying to work out? | so you've talked to a number; of people at facebook what do the rank and file make of this new, moment for their company and. these conflicts that they're trying to work | So you've talked to a number of, people at Facebook What do the rank and file make. of this, new moment for their company and. these conflicts that they're trying; to, work | so you've talked to a number of people at facebook. what do the rank and file make of this new moment for their company and these conflicts that they're trying to work out? |
To meaningless products and soul-crushing jobs. | to meaningless products and soul-crushing | To meaningless products and, soul-crushing | to meaningless products and soul-crushing jobs. |
(Reading) Dad, a devout fan of television shows like "Gunsmoke" and "Bonanza," was disappointed when he discovered that cowboy hats were no longer in style. And he sadly stowed his first American purchase, a brown 10-gallon hat that he bought during a layover in Houston, in a suitcase and under his bed. Mom arrived in ... | (reading) dad a. devout; fan of television shows like "gunsmoke" and "bonanza" was disappointed when. he discovered that cowboy hats were no longer in style and he sadly stowed his first american purchase a brown 10-gallon hat that he bought during a layover in houston in a suitcase and under. his bed mom arrived in am... | (Reading) Dad a devout fan of television shows like "Gunsmoke" and "Bonanza" was disappointed when, he discovered that cowboy hats were no longer in style And he sadly. stowed his; first American purchase. a brown 10-gallon hat that he bought during a layover in Houston in a suitcase, and, under his bed Mom arrived in ... | (reading) dad, a devout fan of television shows like "gunsmoke" and "bonanza," was disappointed when he discovered that cowboy hats were no longer in style. and he sadly stowed his first american purchase, a brown 10-gallon hat that he bought during a layover in houston, in a suitcase and under his bed. mom arrived in ... |
(Reading) They moved into a small apartment in Ogden, Utah and started a family. I came first in 1981, and my brother followed in 1983. Dad attended his classes during the day while mom took care of us at home. Occasionally, she explored the city while pushing my brother and me along in a double stroller. Soon enough, ... | (reading) they moved into, a, small apartment in ogden utah and started a family i came first in 1981, and my brother followed in 1983. dad, attended his classes during the day while mom took care of, us at home occasionally she explored the city while pushing my brother and me along in a double stroller soon enough we... | (Reading) They moved into a small apartment in, Ogden Utah and started a family I came first in 1981, and my brother followed in 1983. Dad attended his classes during the day while mom took care of us at home Occasionally she explored, the city while pushing my brother and me along in a, double stroller Soon enough we ... | (reading) they moved into a small apartment in ogden, utah and started a family. i came first in 1981, and my brother followed in 1983. dad attended his classes during the day while mom took care of us at home. occasionally, she explored the city while pushing my brother and me along in a double stroller. soon enough, ... |
The book is in many ways, though - I mean, it's set against this backdrop of this larger place where they're there, they fit in in some ways... | the book is in many. ways though - i mean it's set against this backdrop of this larger place where they're there they, fit in in some | The book, is in many ways though - I mean it's set against this backdrop of this. larger place where, they're there they fit in in some | the book is in many ways, though - i mean, it's set against this backdrop of this larger place where they're there, they fit in in some ways... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...Because they have very strong faith and... | ...because they. have very strong faith | ...Because they have very strong faith | ...because they have very strong faith and... |
Sure. | sure. | ||
...Very family-oriented. But they also don't fit in... | ...very family-oriented but they also don't fit | ...Very family-oriented But they also don't fit | ...very family-oriented. but they also don't fit in... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...Which is something that you make clear in the book. But it's also very much a family story. | ...which is; something that you make. clear in the book but it's also very much a, family | ...Which is something. that you make. clear, in the book But it's also very much a family | ...which is something that you make clear in the book. but it's also very much a family story. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
I mean, there are things within the family that are very tough. The character in the book - you know, the mom is clearly deteriorating mentally... | i mean there are things; within the family that are very tough the character. in the book - you know the mom is clearly deteriorating | I mean there, are things within the family that are very tough The character in the book - you know, the mom is clearly deteriorating | i mean, there are things within the family that are very tough. the character in the book - you know, the mom is clearly deteriorating mentally... |
Yes. | yes. | ||
And that has a terrible effect on the kids. Those are some hard chapters to read, you know, frankly. What was the importance of that in the book? | and that has a terrible effect on the kids. those are some. hard chapters to read, you, know frankly what was the importance of that in the | And that has a terrible effect on the kids Those are some hard chapters to; read you know frankly, What was the importance of that in the | and that has a terrible effect on the kids. those are some hard chapters to read, you know, frankly. what was the importance of that in the book? |
Yeah. I think family is incredibly important to Tunde, the protagonist of my novel, just because it's the one connection he has to finding a sense of who he is. And when that begins to fall apart, that's when his psyche begins to fall apart in a really profound way. His mom, as you say, becomes ill and eventually leave... | yeah i think family is incredibly important to tunde the protagonist of my novel just. because it's the one connection. he. has to. finding a sense of who he is. and when. that begins to fall apart that's when his psyche begins to fall, apart in a really profound way his mom as you, say becomes ill, and, eventually lea... | Yeah I think family is incredibly important to, Tunde the, protagonist of, my novel just because it's the one connection he has to finding, a sense of who he is And when that begins to fall apart that's when his psyche begins to fall apart in a, really profound way His mom as you say becomes ill and eventually leaves i... | yeah. i think family is incredibly important to tunde, the protagonist of my novel, just because it's the one connection he has to finding a sense of who he is. and when that begins to fall apart, that's when his psyche begins to fall apart in a really profound way. his mom, as you say, becomes ill and eventually leave... |
And without that kind of maternal foundation, he spends much of the rest of the novel trying to kind of reconstruct a sense of self that can exist without the presence of a mother who's there for him or a father who's there - because his father is careening from job to job himself and doesn't have necessarily the time ... | and without that kind of maternal foundation he spends much of the rest of the novel trying to kind of reconstruct a sense of self that can exist without the presence of a mother who's there. for him or a father who's there. - because his. father is, careening from job to job himself and doesn't have necessarily the ti... | And without that. kind of maternal foundation he spends much of the rest of the, novel trying to kind of reconstruct a sense of self that can, exist without the presence of. a mother, who's there for him or a father, who's there - because his father is careening from job to job himself and doesn't have necessarily the ... | and without that kind of maternal foundation, he spends much of the rest of the novel trying to kind of reconstruct a sense of self that can exist without the presence of a mother who's there for him or a father who's there - because his father is careening from job to job himself and doesn't have necessarily the time ... |
Well, you know, it's - as you put it, infected with pain, but it's also infused with love. | well you know it's - as you put it infected with pain but it's also infused with | Well you know it's - as, you put it infected with pain, but it's also infused with | well, you know, it's - as you put it, infected with pain, but it's also infused with love. |
Yes. | yes. | ||
And I think this is what... | and i think this is, | And I, think this is | and i think this is what... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...For some people is going to be hard. | ...for some people is going to be | ...For some people. is going to be | ...for some people is going to be hard. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...Because... | ...because... | ||
Well, that's exactly it. | well that's exactly | Well that's exactly | well, that's exactly it. |
...Because it's both. | ...because it's | ...Because it's | ...because it's both. |
It's both sides of the coin. | it's both sides. of the | It's both sides of the | it's both sides of the coin. |
It's both. | it's | It's | it's both. |
Yeah. That's... | yeah | Yeah | yeah. that's... |
You will not just... | you will not | You will not | you will not just... |
...I'm saying. | ...i'm | ...I'm | ...i'm saying. |
...Allow it to be a completely painful story. | ...allow it to be a completely painful | ...Allow, it to be a. completely painful | ...allow it to be a completely painful story. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
There is still that love. There still that... | there is. still that love there still | There is still that love There still | there is still that love. there still that... |
There absolutely is. | there absolutely | There absolutely | there absolutely is. |
...Acceptance. | ...acceptance. | ||
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
So tell me about you. As we know that this book is - it combines elements of your actual biography... | so tell me about you as we know that this book is - it combines elements, of your actual | So tell, me about you As we. know that this book. is - it combines elements of your actual | so tell me about you. as we know that this book is - it combines elements of your actual biography... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...With complete fiction... | ...with complete | ...With complete | ...with complete fiction... |
Yes. | yes. | ||
So is there something that - if you don't mind my asking. I'm sorry... | so is there something that - if you don't, mind my asking. i'm | So is, there something that - if, you don't mind my, asking I'm | so is there something that - if you don't mind my asking. i'm sorry... |
Please. Yeah (laughter). | please, yeah | Please Yeah | please. yeah (laughter). |
...That you were working out here in describing this journey that sometimes is disengaged from the physical realities that we all sort of see around us. Is this an attempt to kind of construct something? | ...that you were working out here. in describing this journey that sometimes is disengaged from the physical realities that we all sort of see. around us is this an attempt to kind of construct. | ...That you were, working out here in describing this journey that sometimes is disengaged from the physical, realities that we all, sort of see around us Is this. an attempt to kind of construct, | ...that you were working out here in describing this journey that sometimes is disengaged from the physical realities that we all sort of see around us. is this an attempt to kind of construct something? |
Yes. You know, for me, that happened in grad school. I went to Oxford for grad school. And for the first time in my life, I had an opportunity to kind of really think about myself and work on myself. Up to that point, I just wanted to be a successful student, and that was my entire focus in life. And I became aware of ... | yes you know for me. that happened in grad school i went to oxford for grad school and for the first time in my life i. had an opportunity to kind of really think about myself, and work on myself up to that point i just wanted to be a successful student and that was my entire, focus in life and i became aware of the fa... | Yes You know for me, that happened in grad school I went to Oxford for, grad school And for the first time in. my life I had an opportunity to kind of really think about myself and work on myself Up to that point I just wanted to be a successful student and that was my entire focus in life And I became aware of the fac... | yes. you know, for me, that happened in grad school. i went to oxford for grad school. and for the first time in my life, i had an opportunity to kind of really think about myself and work on myself. up to that point, i just wanted to be a successful student, and that was my entire focus in life. and i became aware of ... |
But to the bigger point of here you are, a Nigerian American raised in the United States, you had to sort of leave the country for a while, in a way... | but to the bigger point of here you are a nigerian american raised in the united states you had to sort of leave the country for a while in a | But to the bigger point of here you are a Nigerian American. raised in the United States, you had to sort of leave the country for a, while, in a, | but to the bigger point of here you are, a nigerian american raised in the united states, you had to sort of leave the country for a while, in a way... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
...In order to find yourself. | ...in order to find. | ...In order to find | ...in order to find yourself. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
You found your way back. You are, like, the quintessential diaspora. I mean... | you found your way back you; are like the quintessential diaspora i | You found your way back You are like the quintessential diaspora; I | you found your way back. you are, like, the quintessential diaspora. i mean... |
(Laughter). | (laughter). | ||
You're working in a think tank. You wrote the book. You're a family man. You're handsome. | you're working in a think tank. you wrote the book, you're a family man you're. | You're, working in a think, tank You wrote the book You're a family man You're | you're working in a think tank. you wrote the book. you're a family man. you're handsome. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
You've got the whole thing. You've got all of that. | you've got the whole thing, you've, got all of | You've got the whole thing You've got all of | you've got the whole thing. you've got all of that. |
(Laughter). | (laughter). | ||
What - do you feel like there's some message in your story, perhaps, for other people who feel unloved by this country right now? | what - do you feel like there's some message in your story perhaps for other people who feel unloved by this country right | What - do you feel like there's some message in your story perhaps for other people who feel, unloved; by this country right | what - do you feel like there's some message in your story, perhaps, for other people who feel unloved by this country right now? |
There's a couple of Ds from Korea. | there's a couple. of ds, from | There's a couple of Ds from | there's a couple of ds from korea. |
And I think we can as well. I think that we're at an era where a lot of people are beginning to kind of step in in a really firm way into their identities. You know, they're born with one sex, and they say, I'm actually another gender. That's who I am. Or people are claiming their cultural heritage in a more kind of pr... | and i think we can as well i think that we're at an era where a lot of people are beginning to, kind of, step in in, a really firm way into their. identities you know they're born with one sex and they say i'm actually another gender that's who i am or people are claiming their cultural heritage in. a more kind of prof... | And I think we can as well, I think that we're at an era where a lot of people are, beginning to, kind of step in in a really firm way into their identities You know; they're born, with one sex and they say I'm actually another gender That's who I am Or people are claiming their cultural heritage in a, more kind of pro... | and i think we can as well. i think that we're at an era where a lot of people are beginning to kind of step in in a really firm way into their identities. you know, they're born with one sex, and they say, i'm actually another gender. that's who i am. or people are claiming their cultural heritage in a more kind of pr... |
That was writer Tope Folarin. His novel, "A Particular Kind Of Black Man," is out now. | that was writer tope, folarin, his novel "a particular kind of black man" is out | That was writer Tope Folarin His novel "A Particular Kind Of Black Man" is out | that was writer tope folarin. his novel, "a particular kind of black man," is out now. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. Buddy Guy worked driving a tow truck and as a maintenance man. He's played clubs for tips and cut records for nothing. He wrote songs for which he got no credit or royalties. His guitar graces dozens of classic blues records anonymously; on one, Buddy Guy is cre... | this is talk; of the nation i'm neal conan in washington buddy guy worked driving a tow truck and as a maintenance man he's. played clubs for tips and cut records for nothing. he wrote songs for which he got no credit or royalties his guitar graces dozens of classic blues records anonymously on one buddy, guy is credit... | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal Conan in Washington Buddy Guy worked driving a tow truck and as a maintenance man He's played clubs for, tips and cut. records for. nothing He wrote songs for which he got no credit or royalties. His, guitar graces. dozens of classic blues records anonymously on one Buddy Guy is cred... | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. buddy guy worked driving a tow truck and as a maintenance man. he's played clubs for tips and cut records for nothing. he wrote songs for which he got no credit or royalties. his guitar graces dozens of classic blues records anonymously; on one, buddy guy is cre... |
He's also been recognized as an all-time great, whose licks influenced everyone from Jimi Hendrix to Eric Clapton. At 75, he continues to perform and owns one of the biggest blues clubs in Chicago. He's just published an autobiography, and he joins us in just a moment. | he's also been recognized as an all-time great whose licks influenced. everyone from jimi hendrix to eric clapton at 75, he continues to perform and. owns one of the biggest blues clubs in, chicago he's just published an autobiography and he joins us. in just. a | He's, also been recognized as an all-time great whose licks influenced everyone from; Jimi Hendrix to Eric. Clapton At 75, he continues, to perform, and owns one of the biggest blues clubs in Chicago He's just published an autobiography and he joins us in just a | he's also been recognized as an all-time great, whose licks influenced everyone from jimi hendrix to eric clapton. at 75, he continues to perform and owns one of the biggest blues clubs in chicago. he's just published an autobiography, and he joins us in just a moment. |
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