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There were enormous disparities in fundraising amongst various parts of the school community. On a per-pupil basis - again, the context was California, so fundraising played a major role in some of the very necessary things - so on a per-pupil basis you would have one school who would raise $32 over the course of the y...	there were enormous disparities in fundraising amongst various parts of the school community on a per-pupil basis - again the. context was california so fundraising played a major role in some of the very necessary things - so on a per-pupil. basis you would have one school who would raise $32 over the course. of the, ...	There were enormous disparities in fundraising amongst various parts of the school community, On a per-pupil basis - again the context was California so fundraising. played a, major role in some of the very, necessary things - so on a. per-pupil basis you would have one school who would raise $32 over the course of the...	there were enormous disparities in fundraising amongst various parts of the school community. on a per-pupil basis - again, the context was california, so fundraising played a major role in some of the very necessary things - so on a per-pupil basis you would have one school who would raise $32 over the course of the y...
So how did you try to address it?	so how did you try to address	So how did you try to address	so how did you try to address it?
We proposed a policy that was eventually adopted after a long series of public discussion - and good, but very difficult debate - that took a percentage of all fundraising at every single site, pulled it and redistributed based on a student weighted formula that took into account factors of impact, such as poverty and ...	we, proposed a policy that was eventually adopted after a long series of public discussion - and good but very difficult. debate - that, took a percentage of all fundraising at every. single site pulled it and redistributed based on a student weighted, formula that took into account factors of impact such as poverty an...	We proposed a policy that was eventually adopted after a; long series of public discussion - and good but very difficult debate - that took a percentage of; all fundraising at every single site pulled it and redistributed based on a student. weighted formula that took into account factors of impact such as poverty and ...	we proposed a policy that was eventually adopted after a long series of public discussion - and good, but very difficult debate - that took a percentage of all fundraising at every single site, pulled it and redistributed based on a student weighted formula that took into account factors of impact, such as poverty and ...
And as I understand it, you mentioned difficult debate. There was a lot of controversy.	and as i understand it you mentioned difficult debate there. was a. lot of,	And. as I understand it you mentioned difficult debate There was a lot of	and as i understand it, you mentioned difficult debate. there was a lot of controversy.
There was. A lot of dealt with some of the comments that you were talking about in the previous section. The difference between fairness and equity, and the ability for one school to be focused just on one school - and the parents of that school versus an entire school system.	there was a lot. of dealt with some of the comments that you were talking about in, the previous section the, difference between fairness and equity and the ability for one school to be focused just on one school - and the parents of that school versus an entire. school	There was A lot of dealt with some of the; comments that you; were talking about in the, previous section The difference between, fairness and equity and the; ability for. one school to be focused just on one school - and the parents, of that school versus an entire school,	there was. a lot of dealt with some of the comments that you were talking about in the previous section. the difference between fairness and equity, and the ability for one school to be focused just on one school - and the parents of that school versus an entire school system.
And I'm sure you've heard this comment before: I want my money to go to the school my kid attends. As to those other schools, that's why I pay taxes.	and i'm, sure, you've heard this comment before: i want my money to go, to. the school my kid attends as to those other schools that's why i pay	And I'm. sure you've heard, this comment. before: I want my money to go to the school my kid, attends As to, those other schools that's why. I pay	and i'm sure you've heard this comment before: i want my money to go to the school my kid attends. as to those other schools, that's why i pay taxes.
Correct. And we heard that a lot and had to talk that piece through. And we shaped the conversation around the issue of community. While there are many schools, it is one community. And all of our youth actually graduate from one community and participate in our democracy.	correct and we heard that a lot and had, to talk that piece through and we shaped the conversation around; the issue of community while there are many schools it is, one community and all of our youth actually graduate from one, community and participate in our	Correct And we heard that a lot, and had to talk that piece through And we shaped the conversation around the issue of community, While there are many schools it is one community And all of our youth actually graduate from one. community and participate in our	correct. and we heard that a lot and had to talk that piece through. and we shaped the conversation around the issue of community. while there are many schools, it is one community. and all of our youth actually graduate from one community and participate in our democracy.
And the fundamental notion is that every student gets, in my opinion, the right to the same quality of educational experience, no matter what their geography -especially when we're responsible for the totality of one school district.	and the fundamental notion is that every student gets in my opinion the right to. the same quality of educational experience no matter what their geography -especially when we're responsible for the totality of one school	And the fundamental notion is that every student, gets in my opinion, the right. to the same. quality of educational experience, no matter what their geography -especially when we're responsible; for the totality of one, school	and the fundamental notion is that every student gets, in my opinion, the right to the same quality of educational experience, no matter what their geography -especially when we're responsible for the totality of one school district.
And how did you come up with that 15 percent formula?	and how did you come up with, that 15 percent	And how did you. come up. with that, 15 percent	and how did you come up with that 15 percent formula?
Well, that was the number that we proposed in an act, so that 15 percent of everything that was raised at a school site over the course of a year was then pooled and then redistributed on the formula based on impact.	well that was, the number that we proposed in an act so that 15 percent of everything that was raised at a school site over the course of a year was then pooled and then redistributed on the formula based on	Well that was the number that we, proposed in an act so that 15 percent of everything that was raised, at a school site. over the course of a year was then pooled and then redistributed on the formula based on	well, that was the number that we proposed in an act, so that 15 percent of everything that was raised at a school site over the course of a year was then pooled and then redistributed on the formula based on impact.
And we looked over roughly the percentage of a total budget in a school that was supplemented by fundraising. Because in California - as was mentioned earlier - we have enormous impact on the ability to raise funds. So music, and library books, and furniture, and staff, and support staff, and the list goes on - are fre...	and we looked over roughly the percentage of a total budget in a school that was supplemented by fundraising because in california - as was mentioned earlier. - we have enormous impact on the ability to raise funds so music and library books and. furniture and staff; and support staff and the list. goes on - are freque...	And we; looked, over. roughly the percentage of a total budget in a school that was supplemented, by fundraising Because in California - as was mentioned earlier - we have, enormous impact on the ability to; raise. funds, So music and library; books and furniture and staff and support staff and the list, goes on, - are...	and we looked over roughly the percentage of a total budget in a school that was supplemented by fundraising. because in california - as was mentioned earlier - we have enormous impact on the ability to raise funds. so music, and library books, and furniture, and staff, and support staff, and the list goes on - are fre...
And how much did this formula and this proposal reduce the differential between the better-off schools and the poorer ones?	and how much, did this formula and this proposal reduce the differential between the better-off schools and the poorer	And how much did. this formula and this proposal reduce the differential between, the; better-off schools and the, poorer	and how much did this formula and this proposal reduce the differential between the better-off schools and the poorer ones?
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We reduced the differential the first year after we proposed it by a fairly significant margin. But I think the more important piece of data was the real concern after we implemented it, that actually district-wide fundraising would decrease, when in fact it actually increased. I think the community had a difficult but...	we reduced the; differential the first year after. we, proposed it by a fairly significant margin but i think the more. important piece. of data was the real concern after we implemented. it, that actually, district-wide fundraising would decrease when in fact it actually increased i think the community had a difficult...	We, reduced the differential the first year after we proposed it by. a fairly significant margin But I think the more important piece of data was the real; concern after we implemented it that actually district-wide fundraising would decrease when in fact it actually increased I think the community had a, difficult but...	we reduced the differential the first year after we proposed it by a fairly significant margin. but i think the more important piece of data was the real concern after we implemented it, that actually district-wide fundraising would decrease, when in fact it actually increased. i think the community had a difficult but...
Again, in the end, it was very much a conversation about community - one that I was quite proud of - albeit it was tough.	again in the end it was very much a conversation about community - one that i was. quite proud of - albeit it was	Again in the end it was very much a conversation about community - one that I was quite proud of - albeit it was	again, in the end, it was very much a conversation about community - one that i was quite proud of - albeit it was tough.
Let's get some more listeners involved in the conversation. By the way, are you doing the same thing now in Prince George's County, Maryland?	let's get some more listeners involved in the conversation by the way are you doing the same thing, now in prince george's county	Let's get some more listeners involved in the conversation By the way are, you doing the same thing now in Prince George's County	let's get some more listeners involved in the conversation. by the way, are you doing the same thing now in prince george's county, maryland?
We're not with fundraising. Certainly the general support from finance per pupil is much higher in Maryland. But we are with schools of greatest need, with local dollars to support the same issue. Only it is with the ability to do it with general funds.	we're not with fundraising certainly the, general support from finance per pupil is much higher in, maryland but we are with schools, of greatest need with local dollars to support the same issue. only it is with the ability. to do it with. general	We're not, with fundraising, Certainly the general support from finance per, pupil is much higher, in Maryland But we are with schools of greatest need with local dollars to support the same issue Only it, is with the ability to do, it with general	we're not with fundraising. certainly the general support from finance per pupil is much higher in maryland. but we are with schools of greatest need, with local dollars to support the same issue. only it is with the ability to do it with general funds.
OK. Let's get Lorraine on the line. Lorraine's calling us from Anchorage in Alaska.	ok let's get lorraine on, the line lorraine's calling, us from anchorage, in	OK Let's get Lorraine on the line Lorraine's calling. us from Anchorage in	ok. let's get lorraine on the line. lorraine's calling us from anchorage in alaska.
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Hi. You're on the air.	hi you're on the.	Hi You're on the	hi. you're on the air.
Hi. Thank you. I agree with this caller and the plan that he implemented with the formula for division of funds from fundraising. I think that, you know, if people have the mentality that they want the money to go to my school then they perhaps need to be in a private school.	hi thank, you i agree with this caller and the plan that he implemented. with the formula, for division of funds from fundraising i think that you know if people have the mentality that they. want the money to go, to my school, then they perhaps need to be in a private	Hi Thank you I agree with this caller and the plan, that. he implemented with the formula for division. of funds from fundraising I think that you know if people have the mentality that they want the money to go to my school then. they perhaps. need to be in a private.	hi. thank you. i agree with this caller and the plan that he implemented with the formula for division of funds from fundraising. i think that, you know, if people have the mentality that they want the money to go to my school then they perhaps need to be in a private school.
And public education is just that. I don't agree with the fundraising at all in general. I think the public needs to pay for education because we are a community. Even people that don't have children, no matter where their schools go. But if we are going to do fundraising, it does need to be distributed equally among t...	and public education is just that i don't agree with the fundraising at all in general i think the public needs to pay for education because. we are a community even people that don't have children no matter where their schools go but if we are going to do fundraising. it does need to be distributed equally among the s...	And public education is just that I don't. agree with the fundraising at all. in general I think the public needs to pay; for education because we are a. community, Even people that don't. have children no matter where, their schools, go But if we are going to, do fundraising it does need to be distributed. equally. am...	and public education is just that. i don't agree with the fundraising at all in general. i think the public needs to pay for education because we are a community. even people that don't have children, no matter where their schools go. but if we are going to do fundraising, it does need to be distributed equally among t...
Well, then you're going to get districts that are wealthier than other districts. How far do you take this, Lorraine?	well then you're going. to get districts that are wealthier, than other districts how far, do you take this,	Well then you're going to get districts, that are wealthier than other districts How far do you take this	well, then you're going to get districts that are wealthier than other districts. how far do you take this, lorraine?
Well, like I said, I don't believe in fundraising for schools. I think PTAs, in that respect, have done more harm for schools - in masking the situation of how much money a school needs to really operate. And I think we're just catching up with ourselves now. So I personally would not have any fundraising. I think that...	well, like i said i don't believe in fundraising for schools i think ptas in that respect have done more harm for schools - in masking the situation of how, much money a school needs to really operate; and i think we're just catching up with ourselves now so i personally would not have any fundraising i think that the ...	Well like I said I don't believe in fundraising for schools I think. PTAs in that respect have done more harm for schools - in masking the. situation of how much money a school needs to really operate And I think we're just catching up with ourselves now So I personally would not have any fundraising I think that the, ...	well, like i said, i don't believe in fundraising for schools. i think ptas, in that respect, have done more harm for schools - in masking the situation of how much money a school needs to really operate. and i think we're just catching up with ourselves now. so i personally would not have any fundraising. i think that...
Tom Hutton, what do you think?	tom hutton what do you	Tom Hutton what. do you	tom hutton, what do you think?
I certainly agree that the taxpayer support for public education is not where it should be. Half the states are facing lawsuits right now, over their state financing system, and Congress is poised to level fund education this year and to conveniently wait until after the election to do that.	i certainly; agree that the taxpayer support for public education. is not where it should be half the states are facing lawsuits right now over their state financing system and congress is poised to level fund education this year and to, conveniently; wait. until after the election to do	I certainly agree that the taxpayer support for, public education is not, where it should be Half the states are facing lawsuits right now over their state financing system and Congress is poised to level fund education this year and to conveniently wait until after the election to. do	i certainly agree that the taxpayer support for public education is not where it should be. half the states are facing lawsuits right now, over their state financing system, and congress is poised to level fund education this year and to conveniently wait until after the election to do that.
But I also - I don't want to dismiss out-of-hand the notion that it's great to tap that kind of level parental support and enthusiasm, which includes check writing. I think you will find a lot of communities that say we'd love for Congress to fully fund No Child Left Behind and IDA(ph) but it doesn't look like it's goi...	but i also - i don't want to dismiss out-of-hand the notion that it's great to tap that kind of level parental support and enthusiasm which includes check writing i think you will find a lot of communities that. say, we'd love for. congress to. fully fund no child left behind and ida(ph) but it doesn't look like it's, ...	But I also, - I don't want to dismiss out-of-hand the notion that it's great to tap that kind of level parental support and enthusiasm which includes check writing I, think you will find a lot of communities that say we'd love for Congress to fully fund No. Child. Left Behind and IDA(ph) but it doesn't. look like it's ...	but i also - i don't want to dismiss out-of-hand the notion that it's great to tap that kind of level parental support and enthusiasm, which includes check writing. i think you will find a lot of communities that say we'd love for congress to fully fund no child left behind and ida(ph) but it doesn't look like it's goi...
John Deasy.	john	John	john deasy.
Yes.			yes.
What do you think?	what do you	What do you	what do you think?
I think the ideal, of course, is to have states and the federal government actually rise to the expectation that we would hope, and that is to fund a high quality education. The reality is it doesn't happen, it's not likely to happen in the future. My children and everybody else's is in school at the moment so I comple...	i think the ideal of. course is to have states and the federal government, actually rise to the expectation that we would hope and that, is to fund a high quality education the reality is it doesn't happen it's not likely. to happen in the future my children and everybody else's is in school at the moment so i complete...	I think the ideal. of course is to. have states and the federal government actually rise to the expectation that we would, hope and that is to fund a high quality education The reality is it doesn't happen it's, not, likely to happen in the future My children and everybody else's is in school at the moment so I, comple...	i think the ideal, of course, is to have states and the federal government actually rise to the expectation that we would hope, and that is to fund a high quality education. the reality is it doesn't happen, it's not likely to happen in the future. my children and everybody else's is in school at the moment so i comple...
And I think that is one that we need to approximate a conversation about community and equity, not necessarily equality.	and i think that is one that we need to approximate, a conversation about community and equity not necessarily	And, I think that is one that we need, to approximate a conversation about community and, equity not necessarily	and i think that is one that we need to approximate a conversation about community and equity, not necessarily equality.
Lorraine, thanks very much for the call.	lorraine thanks very. much. for the	Lorraine thanks very much for the	lorraine, thanks very much for the call.
Thank you.	thank	Thank	thank you.
Here's an e-mail from Richard in Gilbert, Arizona. My question is simple: why do we need all these fundraisers? When I was a kid in school in the 70s, we had few extracurricular activities. My parents took me to museums, paid for swimming lessons and provided the outside entertainment that school officials think they n...	here's an e-mail from richard in gilbert arizona. my question, is simple: why do we need all these fundraisers? when i was a kid in, school in the 70s we had few extracurricular activities my parents took me. to museums paid for swimming lessons and, provided the outside entertainment that school officials think they n...	Here's an e-mail from Richard in Gilbert Arizona My question is simple: why do we need all these fundraisers? When I was a kid in; school in the 70s we had few extracurricular activities My parents took me to, museums paid for swimming lessons and provided the outside entertainment that school officials think they need...	here's an e-mail from richard in gilbert, arizona. my question is simple: why do we need all these fundraisers? when i was a kid in school in the 70s, we had few extracurricular activities. my parents took me to museums, paid for swimming lessons and provided the outside entertainment that school officials think they n...
Does he have a point, Tom Hutton?	does, he have a. point tom	Does he. have a point Tom	does he have a point, tom hutton?
It's a good point but it ignores a lot of things, I think. I mean I think we have an expectation in this country that the whole school experience is not just academic. And that our definition of academic is very broad. The arts are a part of a well-rounded education. These activities that kids engage in are not frills,...	it's a, good point but, it ignores a lot of things i think i mean i think we have an, expectation in this country that the whole school experience, is not just academic and that our definition; of academic is very broad, the arts are a, part of, a well-rounded education these activities that kids engage in are not fril...	It's a good point but it ignores a lot of things I think I mean I think we have an expectation in this country that the whole school experience is not just academic And that our definition of academic is very broad The arts are a part of a well-rounded, education These activities that; kids engage in are not frills the...	it's a good point but it ignores a lot of things, i think. i mean i think we have an expectation in this country that the whole school experience is not just academic. and that our definition of academic is very broad. the arts are a part of a well-rounded education. these activities that kids engage in are not frills,...
The other thing is many of the things that schools do in this country that are not necessarily performed by schools in other countries, are required by federal law. I mean we use the public schools in this country as sort of a substitute healthcare system in a lot of ways. Those kinds of things are very expensive. And ...	the other thing is many of the things that. schools do in this country that are not necessarily; performed by schools in other countries are required by federal law i mean we use the public schools in this country as sort of, a substitute healthcare system in a lot of ways, those kinds of things are very expensive and ...	The other thing is many of the things that schools do in this country that are not, necessarily performed by schools in other countries are required. by federal law I mean we use the public schools, in this country, as sort of a substitute healthcare. system in a lot of ways Those kinds of; things are very expensive. A...	the other thing is many of the things that schools do in this country that are not necessarily performed by schools in other countries, are required by federal law. i mean we use the public schools in this country as sort of a substitute healthcare system in a lot of ways. those kinds of things are very expensive. and ...
It doesn't mean that we're spending more as a country than other countries do, but it's in the school budget here.	it doesn't mean that we're spending more as a country than other countries do but it's in the school budget	It doesn't mean that we're spending more as a country than other countries do but it's in the school, budget	it doesn't mean that we're spending more as a country than other countries do, but it's in the school budget here.