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Well, the odds are that the person who stole it has no idea the value of what they've got and what the potential value is. But if you wanted to turn this to profit, the first thing you can do is just offer to sell it in the black market on the Internet for people who know how to turn it into valuable information.
well the odds are; that the person who stole it has no idea the value of what they've got; and what the potential value is but if you wanted to turn this. to; profit the first thing you can do is just offer to sell it in the black market on the internet for people, who know how to turn it into valuable
Well the odds are that the person who stole it has no idea the value; of what they've got and what the potential value is But if you wanted, to. turn this to profit the first thing you can, do is just offer to sell, it in the black market on the Internet for people who know how to turn it into valuable
well, the odds are that the person who stole it has no idea the value of what they've got and what the potential value is. but if you wanted to turn this to profit, the first thing you can do is just offer to sell it in the black market on the internet for people who know how to turn it into valuable information.
There's a whole marketplace out there in chat rooms and in these black market activities where they just pay cash for this kind of information.
there's a whole marketplace. out there in chat rooms and in these black market activities where they just pay cash for this kind of
There's a whole marketplace out there in chat rooms and in these black market activities where they just pay cash, for this kind of
there's a whole marketplace out there in chat rooms and in these black market activities where they just pay cash for this kind of information.
Well, if you were back in your old job with Justice, wouldn't you be on the Internet, right now?
well if you were back in your old job with justice wouldn't you be on the internet right
Well if. you were back in your old job with Justice wouldn't you be on the Internet right
well, if you were back in your old job with justice, wouldn't you be on the internet, right now?
Well, the problem is that a lot of these chat rooms and a lot of these sessions and stuff are in secret rooms and in secret places that the hackers know about. And you can try to monitor them, but they move quickly and they move from place to place; and they're international.
well the problem. is that a lot of these chat rooms and a lot of these sessions and stuff are in secret rooms, and. in secret places; that the hackers know about and you can try to monitor them but they move quickly and they move from place to, place and they're
Well the problem is that a lot of these chat, rooms and a lot of these sessions and stuff are in secret rooms and in secret places that the hackers. know about And you can try to monitor them but they move quickly and they move from, place to place and they're
well, the problem is that a lot of these chat rooms and a lot of these sessions and stuff are in secret rooms and in secret places that the hackers know about. and you can try to monitor them, but they move quickly and they move from place to place; and they're international.
And just because you can see that people are selling this information doesn't mean that you can find them or stop them.
and just because you can see that people are selling this information, doesn't mean that you can find them or stop
And, just because you can see that people are selling this information doesn't mean, that you can find them or stop
and just because you can see that people are selling this information doesn't mean that you can find them or stop them.
Okay. But if some sophisticated bad guy group wants to find out - let's say the speculation is they don't know what they've got, but they sneak onto the Internet. Wouldn't that group do what exactly the Justice Department would be trying to do on the Internet, try to find it?
okay but if some sophisticated bad guy group wants to find out - let's say the speculation is they don't know what they've got but they sneak onto the; internet wouldn't that group. do what exactly the justice department would be trying to do on the internet, try to find
Okay But if some, sophisticated bad guy group wants to find out, - let's say the speculation is they don't know what they've got but they sneak onto the Internet Wouldn't that group do what exactly the, Justice Department would be, trying to do on the Internet try to find
okay. but if some sophisticated bad guy group wants to find out - let's say the speculation is they don't know what they've got, but they sneak onto the internet. wouldn't that group do what exactly the justice department would be trying to do on the internet, try to find it?
Right. I mean, that's exactly what they would be doing - is that the Justice Department's going to be trying to monitor all these groups and see if there's an upsurge in the sale of this kind of information.
right i mean, that's; exactly. what they would be doing - is that. the justice department's going to be trying to monitor; all these groups and see. if there's an upsurge in the sale of this kind of
Right I mean that's exactly what they would be doing - is that the Justice Department's going to be trying to monitor all these groups and see if, there's an upsurge in the sale of this kind of;
right. i mean, that's exactly what they would be doing - is that the justice department's going to be trying to monitor all these groups and see if there's an upsurge in the sale of this kind of information.
But there are other ways to do it even more secretly, instant messaging or messaging person to person, if you know who you're talking to. You know, it's just like any criminal enterprise. Once you make the connections with the right people, you just go ahead and sell the information.
but, there are other ways to do it even more secretly instant messaging or messaging person to person if you know who. you're talking to you know it's just like any criminal enterprise once you, make the connections with the right people you just go, ahead; and sell the
But there are other ways to do it even more secretly instant messaging or messaging. person, to person if you, know who you're talking to You know it's just like any criminal enterprise Once, you make the connections with the right people you just go ahead and, sell the
but there are other ways to do it even more secretly, instant messaging or messaging person to person, if you know who you're talking to. you know, it's just like any criminal enterprise. once you make the connections with the right people, you just go ahead and sell the information.
And, of course, you can do this from your living room.
and of course you can do this from your living
And of course you can do this from your living
and, of course, you can do this from your living room.
We've all seen too many movies, I'm afraid. Do you actually think there is a chance that some damage could be done?
we've. all seen too many movies i'm afraid do you actually think there is a chance that some damage could be
We've all seen too many movies, I'm afraid Do you actually think there is a chance that some damage could be
we've all seen too many movies, i'm afraid. do you actually think there is a chance that some damage could be done?
Well, probably what's happening is all this information is sitting in a dumpster in suburban Montgomery County, Maryland, somewhere. And the person got the disk, formatted the disk and, you know, that's all that they wanted. They just wanted the hardware.
well probably what's happening, is all this. information is sitting in a. dumpster in suburban montgomery county maryland somewhere and the person got. the disk formatted the disk and, you know that's all that they wanted they just wanted the
Well probably what's happening is all this information is sitting in a dumpster in suburban Montgomery County Maryland somewhere And the person got the disk formatted the disk and you know that's all. that they wanted They; just; wanted the
well, probably what's happening is all this information is sitting in a dumpster in suburban montgomery county, maryland, somewhere. and the person got the disk, formatted the disk and, you know, that's all that they wanted. they just wanted the hardware.
And that's what happens in most of these cases. But if you had really evil people who wanted to do damage, they could do a lot of damage, not just identity fraud and identify theft. But, you know, you look at al-Qaida in Iraq, and they're targeting military personnel; they're targeting police there. This information co...
and that's what happens in. most of these cases but if you had really evil people who wanted to do damage they could, do a lot of damage not just identity fraud and, identify theft but you know you look at al-qaida, in iraq and they're targeting military personnel they're targeting police there this information could, ...
And that's. what happens, in most of these cases, But if you had. really evil people who wanted, to. do damage they could do a lot of, damage not just identity fraud and identify theft But. you know you look at al-Qaida, in Iraq, and they're targeting military personnel they're targeting, police there, This information...
and that's what happens in most of these cases. but if you had really evil people who wanted to do damage, they could do a lot of damage, not just identity fraud and identify theft. but, you know, you look at al-qaida in iraq, and they're targeting military personnel; they're targeting police there. this information co...
And their dependents.
and their
And their
and their dependents.
And their dependents, as well. It could also be used by foreign intelligence agencies, because now military individuals are the ones who typically have access to classified information.
and their dependents as well it could also be used by foreign, intelligence agencies because now military individuals are the ones who typically have. access to classified
And their dependents as well It could also be used by foreign intelligence agencies because now military individuals are the ones. who typically have access. to classified
and their dependents, as well. it could also be used by foreign intelligence agencies, because now military individuals are the ones who typically have access to classified information.
If I wanted to know who to target for espionage or for extortion or something like that, I now have a list of people that I know I can go after, as well as identity information.
if i wanted to know. who to target for. espionage or for extortion, or, something. like that i now have a list of people that i, know i can go after as well as identity
If I, wanted to know; who to target for espionage or for, extortion or something, like that I now have a list of people that I know I can go after as well as identity
if i wanted to know who to target for espionage or for extortion or something like that, i now have a list of people that i know i can go after, as well as identity information.
Finally, if I wanted to get access to a military base, I now have a list of people who, at least, have potentially have access to those military bases. I can get their identities. I can social engineer or trick my way onto the bases using that information.
finally if i wanted, to get access to a military base i now have a list of people who at least have potentially, have. access to; those military bases i can get their identities i, can social engineer or trick my, way onto the bases using that
Finally if I wanted to get, access to a military base I now; have a list of people who at least have potentially have access to those military bases I can get their identities I can social engineer or trick my way onto the bases using that
finally, if i wanted to get access to a military base, i now have a list of people who, at least, have potentially have access to those military bases. i can get their identities. i can social engineer or trick my way onto the bases using that information.
We just learned today, this happened three weeks ago. Is that a good sign or a bad sign that we haven't heard about anything being out there on the market?
we just learned today this happened three weeks ago is that a good sign or, a bad sign that we haven't heard about anything being out there on, the
We just learned today this happened three weeks. ago Is that a good sign. or a bad sign that, we haven't heard. about anything being out there on the
we just learned today, this happened three weeks ago. is that a good sign or a bad sign that we haven't heard about anything being out there on the market?
Well, the Veteran's Affairs deliberately didn't release the information, because they didn't want to tell the bad guys how valuable it was, the information that they'd received.
well the veteran's affairs, deliberately didn't. release the information because they didn't want to tell the bad guys how valuable it was the information that they'd
Well the Veteran's Affairs deliberately didn't release the information because they didn't want to tell the bad guys how valuable it was the information, that they'd
well, the veteran's affairs deliberately didn't release the information, because they didn't want to tell the bad guys how valuable it was, the information that they'd received.
Typically it takes weeks or months to turn this stuff into new identities. So the fact that we haven't heard anything in three weeks doesn't necessarily mean anything.
typically it. takes weeks or months to turn this stuff into new identities so the fact that we haven't, heard. anything in three weeks doesn't necessarily mean
Typically, it takes weeks or months to turn this stuff into new identities So the fact that we haven't heard anything in three weeks doesn't necessarily mean
typically it takes weeks or months to turn this stuff into new identities. so the fact that we haven't heard anything in three weeks doesn't necessarily mean anything.
The voices of Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin. In a few moments, we'll find out why Muslims in one grassroots movement have decided to remind their fellow Americans that, well, they're Americans too. But first, some voices from Muslims across the country.
the voices of newt gingrich and, sarah palin in a few moments we'll find out why muslims in, one grassroots movement have decided to remind their fellow, americans that well they're americans too but first some voices from muslims across the
The voices of Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin In a few moments we'll find out why Muslims in, one grassroots movement have decided to remind their fellow Americans that well they're Americans too But, first some voices from Muslims across the,
the voices of newt gingrich and sarah palin. in a few moments, we'll find out why muslims in one grassroots movement have decided to remind their fellow americans that, well, they're americans too. but first, some voices from muslims across the country.
My name is Fawad Shaikh. And I live in Los Angeles, California.
my name is fawad shaikh and i live in, los angeles
My name is Fawad Shaikh And I live in Los Angeles
my name is fawad shaikh. and i live in los angeles, california.
Barbara Khandaker, and I live in Cumming, Georgia.
barbara, khandaker and; i live in cumming
Barbara; Khandaker, and I live in Cumming
barbara khandaker, and i live in cumming, georgia.
My name is Ziya Nasir. And I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
my name is ziya. nasir and i live in ann arbor;
My name. is Ziya Nasir And I live in Ann Arbor
my name is ziya nasir. and i live in ann arbor, michigan.
Over the last few weeks, I've been unsettled by this rising tension or hostility towards Islam and Muslims in the U.S.
over the last few weeks i've. been. unsettled by this rising tension or, hostility towards islam and muslims in the
Over the last few weeks I've been unsettled by this rising tension or hostility towards Islam and Muslims in the
over the last few weeks, i've been unsettled by this rising tension or hostility towards islam and muslims in the u.s.
You feel a connection to the greater American community. And then when that community itself is saying, well, we don't really like you, you don't belong here, I think that that it's both disheartening and a little frightening.
you feel a connection, to the greater american community, and then when that community, itself is saying well we. don't really like you you don't belong here i think that that it's both disheartening and a little
You feel a connection to the, greater American community And then when that community, itself is, saying well we don't really, like you you don't belong here I think that that it's both disheartening, and a. little
you feel a connection to the greater american community. and then when that community itself is saying, well, we don't really like you, you don't belong here, i think that that it's both disheartening and a little frightening.
Previous to this, even after 9/11, there had been, I guess, a fair amount of anti-Muslim sentiment in the U.S. But it hadn't ever bothered me on a personal level.
previous to this even after 9/11, there had been i. guess a fair amount of anti-muslim sentiment. in the. u.s but it hadn't ever bothered me on, a. personal
Previous to this even after 9/11, there had been I guess a fair amount of anti-Muslim. sentiment in the U.S But it hadn't ever bothered me on a personal
previous to this, even after 9/11, there had been, i guess, a fair amount of anti-muslim sentiment in the u.s. but it hadn't ever bothered me on a personal level.
My name is Hussein Nagamea. I have no time since my immigration to the United States felt that I was unsafe in this country until now, recently.
my name is hussein nagamea i. have no time since my immigration to the united states felt that i was. unsafe in this country until now
My name is Hussein Nagamea I have, no time since my immigration to the United States felt that I was unsafe in this country until now
my name is hussein nagamea. i have no time since my immigration to the united states felt that i was unsafe in this country until now, recently.
I am careful about who I talk to in public, not so much just talking to them, but other Muslims that I greet, I don't automatically go say, hi, assalamu alaikum, because I don't want to draw attention to myself that I'm Muslim or that they're Muslim, just in case someone out there might be crazy.
i, am careful about who i. talk to in public not so, much just talking to them but other muslims that i greet i don't automatically, go. say hi assalamu alaikum because i don't want to draw attention to myself. that. i'm muslim or that they're muslim just in. case someone out there might be
I am careful, about who I talk to. in public not so much just talking to them but other Muslims, that I greet I don't automatically go say hi assalamu alaikum because I don't want to draw attention, to myself that I'm Muslim or that they're Muslim. just in case someone out there might be
i am careful about who i talk to in public, not so much just talking to them, but other muslims that i greet, i don't automatically go say, hi, assalamu alaikum, because i don't want to draw attention to myself that i'm muslim or that they're muslim, just in case someone out there might be crazy.
You kind of feel afraid that everyone thinks that way, you know, everyone who's not Muslim believes that. That is probably the most frightening out of everything.
you kind of feel afraid, that everyone thinks that; way you know everyone who's not muslim believes that that is probably the most frightening out of
You, kind of feel afraid that everyone thinks that way. you know everyone. who's not Muslim believes that That is probably the most frightening out of
you kind of feel afraid that everyone thinks that way, you know, everyone who's not muslim believes that. that is probably the most frightening out of everything.
It always eventually passes. So in my mind, I have no doubt that eventually, we will be accepted because we are American Muslims. But given all of the stuff that's going on, I have the feeling that it might take much, much longer.
it always, eventually passes so in my mind i have no doubt that eventually we will be accepted because we. are american muslims but given all, of, the stuff that's. going on i have the feeling that it might take much much
It always eventually passes So. in, my mind I have, no doubt that eventually, we will be accepted because we are American Muslims But given all of the stuff that's, going, on; I have the feeling that it might take much much
it always eventually passes. so in my mind, i have no doubt that eventually, we will be accepted because we are american muslims. but given all of the stuff that's going on, i have the feeling that it might take much, much longer.
Voices of a few American Muslims who spoke to us this past week.
voices of a few american muslims who spoke to us. this past
Voices of, a few American Muslims. who spoke to us this past
voices of a few american muslims who spoke to us this past week.
In his column today, New York Times writer Nicholas Kristof points out that in 1940, 17 percent of the population considered Jews to be a menace to America.
in his column today new york; times writer nicholas kristof points out that in 1940, 17 percent of the population. considered jews to be a, menace to
In his, column, today New York Times writer Nicholas Kristof points out that in 1940, 17 percent of the population considered Jews to be a menace to
in his column today, new york times writer nicholas kristof points out that in 1940, 17 percent of the population considered jews to be a menace to america.
Almost every ethnic group in this country has gone through a period of transition when they had to fight to prove that, indeed, they were Americans.
almost, every ethnic group in this country, has gone through a period; of transition when they had to fight to; prove that indeed they were;
Almost every ethnic group in this country has gone, through a period of transition when. they had to fight to prove that indeed they were
almost every ethnic group in this country has gone through a period of transition when they had to fight to prove that, indeed, they were americans.
Rabiah Ahmed and a group of Muslim leaders thought their community had to do the same today. So this week, they launched an online video campaign called "My Faith, My Voice." And the message is simple. Here's a clip.
rabiah ahmed and a group of. muslim leaders thought their community had to do the same today so this week they launched an online. video campaign called "my faith my voice" and the, message is simple here's a
Rabiah. Ahmed and, a group of Muslim leaders thought their community had to do the same, today So this week they launched an. online video campaign called "My Faith, My Voice" And the message is simple Here's a
rabiah ahmed and a group of muslim leaders thought their community had to do the same today. so this week, they launched an online video campaign called "my faith, my voice." and the message is simple. here's a clip.
(Soundbite of "My Faith, My Voice" Ad)
(soundbite of "my faith my
(Soundbite of "My Faith. My
(soundbite of "my faith, my voice" ad)
I am an American.
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I am an
i am an american.
Unidentified Man #2: I am a Muslim.
unidentified man #2: i am a,
Unidentified Man #2: I am a
unidentified man #2: i am a muslim.
Unidentified Man #3: This is my faith.
unidentified man #3: this is my
Unidentified Man #3: This is my
unidentified man #3: this is my faith.
Unidentified Man #4: This is my voice.
unidentified man #4: this is my
Unidentified Man #4: This is my
unidentified man #4: this is my voice.
Rabiah Ahmed says they wanted to first address the fears of some people about the proposed Islamic center in Manhattan.
rabiah, ahmed says, they wanted to, first address the fears of, some people about; the proposed islamic center in
Rabiah. Ahmed says they, wanted to, first address the fears of some people about the proposed Islamic center in
rabiah ahmed says they wanted to first address the fears of some people about the proposed islamic center in manhattan.
Many of the arguments that are made in opposition to the mosque have to do with the fear that Muslims are trying to impose their faith on Americans or are ignoring the sensitivities of Americans or trying to build mosques all over and therefore, you know, trying to take over this country in some fashion.
many of the arguments that are made in. opposition to the mosque have to do. with the fear that muslims are trying to impose their faith on americans or are ignoring the sensitivities of americans or trying to build mosques all over; and therefore you know trying to take over this country in some
Many, of, the arguments that are, made in opposition to, the mosque. have. to, do, with the fear that Muslims are trying to impose, their; faith on Americans or are ignoring the sensitivities of Americans or trying to build mosques all over and therefore you know trying to take over this country in some
many of the arguments that are made in opposition to the mosque have to do with the fear that muslims are trying to impose their faith on americans or are ignoring the sensitivities of americans or trying to build mosques all over and therefore, you know, trying to take over this country in some fashion.
And we as a community, when we hear these things, we want to just reach out and say, look, if that's what you're worried about, you don't have anything to worry about. That's not who we are, and that's not what we're about.
and; we as a, community when we hear these things. we. want, to, just reach out and say look if that's what. you're worried about you don't; have anything, to worry about that's not who. we are. and that's not what we're
And we as a, community when we hear these, things we want, to just reach; out and say look if that's what you're worried about you don't have anything to worry about, That's not who we are. and that's not what we're
and we as a community, when we hear these things, we want to just reach out and say, look, if that's what you're worried about, you don't have anything to worry about. that's not who we are, and that's not what we're about.
Rabiah, how did it get to this point, you know, where, in a sense, you're stating what should be painfully obvious, that people who practice the Muslim faith in America are Americans just like anyone else?
rabiah how, did it get to this point you; know where in a sense you're stating what should be painfully obvious that people who practice, the muslim faith in america are americans just like anyone
Rabiah how did it get, to this point you know where. in a sense you're stating what should be painfully obvious that people who practice the Muslim faith in America are Americans just like anyone
rabiah, how did it get to this point, you know, where, in a sense, you're stating what should be painfully obvious, that people who practice the muslim faith in america are americans just like anyone else?
You know, it is sad that it has to be said, but it's necessary nonetheless because this rhetoric, these anti-Muslim feelings, they're not just coming from the usual right-wing or agenda-driven circles.
you know it is, sad that it has to be said but it's necessary nonetheless, because this rhetoric these anti-muslim feelings they're not just coming from the usual. right-wing or agenda-driven
You know it is sad that it has to be said but it's necessary nonetheless because, this rhetoric these anti-Muslim feelings they're not just coming from the usual right-wing or agenda-driven
you know, it is sad that it has to be said, but it's necessary nonetheless because this rhetoric, these anti-muslim feelings, they're not just coming from the usual right-wing or agenda-driven circles.
Polls indicate that these fears are widespread. They're in the hearts of average Americans, moderate Americans. And that's what's so concerning about this.
polls indicate that these fears are widespread. they're in the hearts of average americans, moderate americans and that's what's so concerning about
Polls indicate that these fears are widespread They're in the hearts of average Americans moderate Americans And that's what's, so concerning about
polls indicate that these fears are widespread. they're in the hearts of average americans, moderate americans. and that's what's so concerning about this.
In the post-9/11 climate, there was anti-Muslim backlash, but it wasn't so open. It wasn't so hostile, and it wasn't so widespread. And whatever the Muslim community has been doing in the past 10 years, it's been a good effort, but for some reason, it's not achieving its goal.
in the post-9/11 climate there was anti-muslim backlash but it wasn't so open it wasn't so, hostile and it wasn't so widespread and whatever the muslim community has been doing in the past 10 years it's, been a good effort but for some reason it's not achieving its,
In the post-9/11 climate there was anti-Muslim backlash but, it wasn't, so open It wasn't so hostile and it wasn't so widespread And whatever the Muslim community has been doing in the past 10 years it's been a good effort but for some reason it's not achieving its
in the post-9/11 climate, there was anti-muslim backlash, but it wasn't so open. it wasn't so hostile, and it wasn't so widespread. and whatever the muslim community has been doing in the past 10 years, it's been a good effort, but for some reason, it's not achieving its goal.
Do you think, as a society, we're in the midst of maybe a passing storm, you know, something that we will look back on in 10 or 20 years from now and wonder how it ever came to this?
do you think as a society we're in the midst of maybe a passing storm you know something that we will look back on in 10 or 20 years from now and wonder how it, ever came to
Do you think as a society we're in the midst of maybe a passing storm you know something that. we will look back on in 10 or 20 years from now, and wonder how it ever came to
do you think, as a society, we're in the midst of maybe a passing storm, you know, something that we will look back on in 10 or 20 years from now and wonder how it ever came to this?
I hope so. I hope it is a passing storm. I hope that it's just a matter of time where Muslims are seen as part and parcel of the society.
i. hope so i hope it is a passing storm, i hope that it's just a matter of time where muslims are seen as part; and parcel. of the
I hope so I hope it is a passing storm I hope that it's just a matter of time where, Muslims are seen as part and parcel of the
i hope so. i hope it is a passing storm. i hope that it's just a matter of time where muslims are seen as part and parcel of the society.
You know, if we look back at our history, other communities have faced this kind of discrimination or these kinds of feelings, and they've been able to overcome. But it's not going to happen by itself.
you know if we look back, at our history other communities have faced; this kind of discrimination or these kinds of feelings and they've been able to overcome but it's not going to. happen by
You know if; we look back at our history other communities have faced this kind of discrimination or these kinds of feelings and they've, been able to overcome. But it's not going, to, happen by
you know, if we look back at our history, other communities have faced this kind of discrimination or these kinds of feelings, and they've been able to overcome. but it's not going to happen by itself.
The Muslim community is going to really have to reach out in different ways, you know, through interfaith relations, through public service announcements, through whatever way that people can contribute and try to address these issues because if it's not done, then there's a potential of it just getting worse.
the muslim community is going to really have to reach out in different ways you know. through interfaith relations through public service announcements through whatever way that people can contribute and try to address these issues because if it's not done then there's a, potential of it, just getting
The. Muslim. community is going to really have to reach out in; different ways you, know through interfaith relations through public. service announcements. through whatever way that people can contribute and. try to address these issues. because if it's not done then. there's a potential of it just getting
the muslim community is going to really have to reach out in different ways, you know, through interfaith relations, through public service announcements, through whatever way that people can contribute and try to address these issues because if it's not done, then there's a potential of it just getting worse.
That's Rabiah Ahmed. She's one of the people behind a new online video campaign called "My Faith, My Voice."
that's rabiah. ahmed, she's one of the people behind a new online video campaign called "my faith. my
That's Rabiah Ahmed She's one of the people behind a new online video campaign called, "My Faith My
that's rabiah ahmed. she's one of the people behind a new online video campaign called "my faith, my voice."
Rabiah Ahmed, thank you so much.
rabiah ahmed thank you so
Rabiah. Ahmed thank you so
rabiah ahmed, thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
thank you for having
Thank you for having
thank you for having me.
Historian Edward Curtis has written a book called "Muslims in America." He says Muslims have been in this country since the very beginning.
historian edward curtis has written a book called "muslims in america" he says muslims have been in this country since the very
Historian Edward Curtis has written a book called "Muslims in America" He says Muslims have been in, this country since the. very
historian edward curtis has written a book called "muslims in america." he says muslims have been in this country since the very beginning.
They were slaves. They were forced here as part of the Middle Passage, and perhaps as many as 20,000 or 30,000 were in the 13 colonies and in the United States until 1865.
they were slaves they were forced here as part of the middle passage and perhaps as many as 20,000 or 30,000 were in the 13 colonies and in the united states until
They were slaves They were forced here as part of, the Middle. Passage and perhaps as many as 20,000 or 30,000 were in, the 13 colonies and in the United States until
they were slaves. they were forced here as part of the middle passage, and perhaps as many as 20,000 or 30,000 were in the 13 colonies and in the united states until 1865.
They came from West Africa, which had been undergoing a very gradual process of Islamization since the 11th century.
they came from west africa which had been undergoing a very. gradual, process of islamization since the 11th
They came from West, Africa which had been undergoing a. very gradual process of Islamization since the 11th
they came from west africa, which had been undergoing a very gradual process of islamization since the 11th century.
And where were those first mosques?
and where were those first
And where were, those first
and where were those first mosques?
So these would have been informal places. One was in Kent Island, Maryland, where the first Muslim American celebrity of the 18th century was brought in 1731. His name was Job Ben Solomon. He later went on to co-author a very important African-American slave memoir, was taken to England.
so these would have been informal places one was in kent. island maryland where the first muslim american celebrity, of the 18th century was brought in, 1731. his name, was. job ben solomon he later went on to co-author a very important african-american. slave memoir was taken. to
So these would have, been informal places One was in Kent Island Maryland where the first Muslim American celebrity of the 18th century was brought in 1731. His name was Job Ben Solomon He later went; on to co-author a very important, African-American slave memoir was taken to
so these would have been informal places. one was in kent island, maryland, where the first muslim american celebrity of the 18th century was brought in 1731. his name was job ben solomon. he later went on to co-author a very important african-american slave memoir, was taken to england.
Oglethorpe, the founder of Georgia, bought his bond, and he was sent back to West Africa to be a financial representative for economic interests from Britain.
oglethorpe the founder of georgia bought his bond and he was sent back to west africa to be a. financial representative for economic interests from
Oglethorpe the founder of Georgia bought his bond, and he was sent, back to West Africa to be a financial representative for economic interests from
oglethorpe, the founder of georgia, bought his bond, and he was sent back to west africa to be a financial representative for economic interests from britain.
But it wasn't until 1921 that the first purpose-built mosque came about. That was in Detroit. Why did it take so long?
but it wasn't, until 1921 that the first purpose-built mosque came about that was in detroit why did it take. so;
But it wasn't until 1921 that the first, purpose-built mosque came about That was in Detroit Why did it take. so
but it wasn't until 1921 that the first purpose-built mosque came about. that was in detroit. why did it take so long?
The number of practicing Muslims faded among African-Americans by the late 1800s. There's no evidence, with just one or two exceptions, that Muslims passed on their religious traditions to their children.
the number of practicing muslims faded; among african-americans by the late 1800s there's no evidence with just one or two exceptions that. muslims passed on their religious traditions to, their;
The, number of practicing Muslims, faded among African-Americans by the late 1800s There's no evidence with just one. or two exceptions that Muslims passed on their religious; traditions to their
the number of practicing muslims faded among african-americans by the late 1800s. there's no evidence, with just one or two exceptions, that muslims passed on their religious traditions to their children.
African-American slaves tended to practice West African traditional religions or Christianity in the 19th century. But as that population of Muslims was declining, the population of Muslims from the Middle East and Southeastern Europe was increasing.
african-american slaves; tended to. practice west african traditional religions or christianity, in the 19th century but as that population of muslims was declining the population of muslims from, the, middle east and southeastern europe was
African-American slaves tended, to practice West. African traditional religions or Christianity in, the 19th century But as that population of Muslims, was declining the population, of Muslims, from the Middle. East and Southeastern. Europe, was
african-american slaves tended to practice west african traditional religions or christianity in the 19th century. but as that population of muslims was declining, the population of muslims from the middle east and southeastern europe was increasing.
Immigrants came from Turkey, from Syria, and today the countries of Palestine, Jordon, Israel, seeking opportunity like the Southern Italians and the Greeks of the same era. And they were the ones who first began to pray together, probably as early as the 1880s or 1890s. But we just haven't found any archeological or d...
immigrants came from turkey, from syria and today the, countries of palestine jordon israel seeking opportunity like the southern italians and the greeks of the same era and they were the ones who first began to pray together probably as early as, the 1880s or 1890s but we just haven't. found any archeological, or docu...
Immigrants came from Turkey from Syria and today the countries of Palestine Jordon Israel seeking, opportunity. like the Southern Italians and the Greeks. of the same era And they were the ones who first began to pray together probably as early as the 1880s or 1890s But we just haven't found any archeological or docume...
immigrants came from turkey, from syria, and today the countries of palestine, jordon, israel, seeking opportunity like the southern italians and the greeks of the same era. and they were the ones who first began to pray together, probably as early as the 1880s or 1890s. but we just haven't found any archeological or d...
Now, today, I think most Americans would be surprised to learn something that you've written about - you write a lot about the myths of Islam in America that far and away, the single largest Muslim ethnic group in America are African-Americans, not Arab-Americans, not South Asians.
now today i think most americans would be surprised to learn. something that you've written about - you. write a lot about; the myths, of islam in america that far and, away the, single largest muslim ethnic group in america are african-americans not arab-americans not south
Now today I think most Americans would be surprised to learn something that you've written about - you write a. lot about the myths, of Islam in America that far and away, the single largest Muslim ethnic group in America are African-Americans not Arab-Americans. not South
now, today, i think most americans would be surprised to learn something that you've written about - you write a lot about the myths of islam in america that far and away, the single largest muslim ethnic group in america are african-americans, not arab-americans, not south asians.
Yeah. And, of course, that goes back to decades, almost a hundred years now. The first African-American indigenous groups of Muslims who were not slaves, they began in the 1920s, even before W.D. Fard Muhammad established the Nation of Islam, which was later taken over by Elijah Muhammad.
yeah and of course that goes, back to decades almost a hundred years now the first african-american. indigenous. groups of muslims who were not slaves they began in the 1920s even, before w.d fard muhammad established the nation of islam which was, later taken over by elijah
Yeah And of course that goes back, to decades almost a hundred years now The first, African-American indigenous. groups of Muslims who were not slaves they began in the 1920s even before W.D Fard, Muhammad established the Nation of, Islam which was later taken over by Elijah
yeah. and, of course, that goes back to decades, almost a hundred years now. the first african-american indigenous groups of muslims who were not slaves, they began in the 1920s, even before w.d. fard muhammad established the nation of islam, which was later taken over by elijah muhammad.
In the 1920s, we already had several different groups of African-American Muslims practicing what is often referred to as Orthodox Islam well before World War II.
in the 1920s we already, had several different groups of african-american muslims practicing what is often referred to as orthodox islam well before world war
In the 1920s we already had, several different groups of African-American Muslims practicing what is, often, referred, to as Orthodox Islam well before World War
in the 1920s, we already had several different groups of african-american muslims practicing what is often referred to as orthodox islam well before world war ii.
Edward Curtis, based on your research, can you assess what the kind of the mainstream American perspective was on Muslims throughout most of American history? I mean, how did Americans see Muslims?
edward curtis, based on your research can you assess what the kind of the mainstream, american perspective was on muslims throughout. most of american history? i mean. how. did americans see.
Edward, Curtis based on your research can you assess what the kind of the mainstream American perspective was on Muslims throughout most of. American history? I mean how did Americans see,
edward curtis, based on your research, can you assess what the kind of the mainstream american perspective was on muslims throughout most of american history? i mean, how did americans see muslims?
Muslims have been important players in the American national consciousness since the days of the Puritan. Cotton Mather thought that Muslims were a sign of a Christian schism. That kind of misunderstanding or negative view of Islam has been with us always, and it's kind of come and gone in cycles.
muslims have been, important players in the american national consciousness. since the days of. the puritan cotton mather thought, that muslims were a sign of a christian schism that kind of misunderstanding or negative view of islam has; been with us always and it's kind of come and gone in
Muslims have been important players in the American. national consciousness since the days of the Puritan Cotton; Mather thought that Muslims were a sign of a Christian schism That kind of misunderstanding or negative view of Islam has been with us, always, and it's kind of come and gone in
muslims have been important players in the american national consciousness since the days of the puritan. cotton mather thought that muslims were a sign of a christian schism. that kind of misunderstanding or negative view of islam has been with us always, and it's kind of come and gone in cycles.
When did we first sort of start to see really pronounced anti-Muslim sentiment in America? I mean, is what we're seeing today pretty new?
when did we first sort of start to see really pronounced anti-muslim, sentiment in america? i, mean is, what we're seeing today pretty
When did we, first sort, of start. to; see really pronounced anti-Muslim sentiment in America? I mean is what we're. seeing today pretty
when did we first sort of start to see really pronounced anti-muslim sentiment in america? i mean, is what we're seeing today pretty new?
Well, it's really hard to compete with Cotton Mather and some of the Protestant evangelicals of the 1820s and '30s who go on and on about Muhammad and Muhammadans, or Muslims, being the antichrist.
well it's really hard to compete with cotton mather and some of the protestant evangelicals of the 1820s, and '30s who go on and on about muhammad and muhammadans, or muslims, being the
Well it's really. hard to compete with Cotton Mather and some of the Protestant evangelicals of the 1820s and '30s who go on and. on about Muhammad and Muhammadans or Muslims being the
well, it's really hard to compete with cotton mather and some of the protestant evangelicals of the 1820s and '30s who go on and on about muhammad and muhammadans, or muslims, being the antichrist.
So in terms of that viciousness, I don't think, you know, that it's gotten any worse since then. But I would say that until there was a significant population of Muslims here, then sometimes that kind of prejudice didn't lead into discrimination and hate crimes until really pretty recently.
so in terms of that viciousness i don't think you know that it's gotten any worse since then but i would say. that until. there was a significant population, of muslims here then sometimes that kind of prejudice didn't lead into discrimination and hate crimes. until really pretty
So in terms of that viciousness, I don't think you know that it's gotten any worse since then But I would say that until there was a significant population, of Muslims here then sometimes, that. kind of prejudice, didn't lead into discrimination and hate crimes until. really pretty
so in terms of that viciousness, i don't think, you know, that it's gotten any worse since then. but i would say that until there was a significant population of muslims here, then sometimes that kind of prejudice didn't lead into discrimination and hate crimes until really pretty recently.
That's Edward Curtis. He is a religious studies professor at Indiana University-Purdue University in Indianapolis and the author of the book "Muslims in America: A Short History."
that's edward curtis he is a. religious studies professor at indiana, university-purdue university in indianapolis and the, author of the book "muslims, in, america: a short
That's Edward. Curtis He, is a religious studies professor. at Indiana University-Purdue University in Indianapolis and the author of the book "Muslims in America: A Short
that's edward curtis. he is a religious studies professor at indiana university-purdue university in indianapolis and the author of the book "muslims in america: a short history."
Edward Curtis, thank you so much.
edward curtis thank you so
Edward Curtis thank you so
edward curtis, thank you so much.
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In Russia's southern republic of Dagestan, peace is rare these days as Russian security forces battle Islamic insurgents, but Russia's president, Dmitry Medvedev, has promised a new approach. He wants to end the cycle of violence by improving the economy and creating jobs. NPR's David Greene reports.
in russia's southern republic of dagestan peace is rare these days as russian security forces battle. islamic insurgents but russia's president dmitry medvedev has promised a new approach. he wants to end the cycle of violence by improving. the economy and creating jobs npr's david greene
In Russia's, southern republic of Dagestan peace, is rare these days as Russian security forces battle Islamic insurgents but Russia's president Dmitry Medvedev has promised a new approach He wants to end the cycle of violence by improving the economy and creating jobs NPR's David Greene
in russia's southern republic of dagestan, peace is rare these days as russian security forces battle islamic insurgents, but russia's president, dmitry medvedev, has promised a new approach. he wants to end the cycle of violence by improving the economy and creating jobs. npr's david greene reports.
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That applause was the sound of a place trying to get on with life, even as militants and police are killed or wounded in the streets nearly every day. The president of this volatile region of Russia, Magomedsalam Magomedov, was wishing Dagestan's soccer team luck before a big game.
that applause was the, sound of a place trying to get on with life even as militants and police are killed or wounded in the streets nearly every day the president of this volatile. region of russia magomedsalam magomedov was wishing dagestan's soccer, team luck, before a big
That applause was, the sound of a place trying to get on with. life even as, militants and police are; killed or wounded in the streets nearly every day The president of this volatile region of Russia Magomedsalam Magomedov was wishing Dagestan's soccer team luck before a big
that applause was the sound of a place trying to get on with life, even as militants and police are killed or wounded in the streets nearly every day. the president of this volatile region of russia, magomedsalam magomedov, was wishing dagestan's soccer team luck before a big game.
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Then he stepped into the next room to talk about a tougher part of his job, ending what he called Dagestan's constant conflict.
then he stepped into the, next room to talk about a tougher part of his job ending what he called, dagestan's constant
Then he stepped into the next room to talk about a tougher, part of his job ending what he called Dagestan's constant
then he stepped into the next room to talk about a tougher part of his job, ending what he called dagestan's constant conflict.
(Through translator) People need work. They need job. You understand, though, the state can't just build new plants and factories, like it used to in Soviet times.
(through translator) people need. work they need job you understand though the state can't just build new plants and factories like it used to in soviet
(Through, translator) People, need work They need job You understand, though the state can't just build new plants and factories like it used, to in Soviet
(through translator) people need work. they need job. you understand, though, the state can't just build new plants and factories, like it used to in soviet times.
Magomedov is an economist whose specialty is job creation. This explains why Russian President Dmitry Medvedev appointed him last month to lead the troubled republic.
magomedov is an economist whose specialty. is job. creation this explains why russian president dmitry medvedev appointed him last month to lead the troubled
Magomedov is an economist whose specialty is. job creation This explains, why Russian. President Dmitry Medvedev appointed him last month to, lead the troubled
magomedov is an economist whose specialty is job creation. this explains why russian president dmitry medvedev appointed him last month to lead the troubled republic.
Russian special forces are constantly on the attack here, hunting for insurgents. Magomedov delicately avoided criticizing his own government's forces.
russian special forces are constantly. on, the attack here hunting for insurgents magomedov delicately. avoided criticizing his own government's
Russian special forces are constantly on the attack here. hunting for insurgents Magomedov delicately, avoided criticizing his own government's.
russian special forces are constantly on the attack here, hunting for insurgents. magomedov delicately avoided criticizing his own government's forces.
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hopefully, the people who had it have already formatted the drive. and if you wait long enough, they'll have discarded the information. but, you know, the worst-case scenario is this person stole the information not knowing how valuable it was, now hear this information and say, wait a second, i've got something really...
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Right Right Talking with us from Dallas Mark Rasch of the security; management company called Solutionary Thank you Mr
right. right. talking with us from dallas, mark rasch of the security management company called solutionary. thank you, mr. rasch.
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Is this the end of the NFL? That is the question at the top of a recent piece in New York Magazine. It was written by Will Leitch. And his answer to the question is, yeah, the NFL is kind of over. Will Leitch is here now to defend his position. Hello there.
is this the end of the nfl? that is the question at the. top of a recent piece. in new york magazine it was written by will. leitch and his answer to the question is yeah the nfl is kind of over will leitch is here now to defend his position hello
Is this the end of the NFL? That is the question at the top of a recent piece in New York Magazine It was, written by Will, Leitch And his answer to the question is yeah the NFL is kind of, over Will Leitch is here now to defend his position Hello
is this the end of the nfl? that is the question at the top of a recent piece in new york magazine. it was written by will leitch. and his answer to the question is, yeah, the nfl is kind of over. will leitch is here now to defend his position. hello there.
Hello. Good afternoon.
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You point out in your piece that football really used to be something that, like, brought people together. There's this great detail you talk about, how Hunter S. Thompson and Richard Nixon even bonded over football. That's obviously not true right now. I mean, how divisive do you feel, like, football has become?
you point. out in your piece that, football really used to be something that like brought people together. there's this great detail you talk about how hunter; s thompson and richard nixon even bonded over football that's obviously not, true right; now i mean how divisive do you, feel like football has
You. point out in your piece that football really used to be something that like brought people together There's this great detail you talk about how Hunter. S, Thompson and Richard Nixon even bonded, over. football That's obviously not true right now I mean how divisive do you, feel like football has
you point out in your piece that football really used to be something that, like, brought people together. there's this great detail you talk about, how hunter s. thompson and richard nixon even bonded over football. that's obviously not true right now. i mean, how divisive do you feel, like, football has become?
Yeah. You know, one of the things - like everything else these days, the NFL has not been able to escape politics. And I think because it's gotten so popular it is right there, dead at the center. But the problem is because it's not been able to avoid politics it's actually getting it from both sides. On one hand, you ...
yeah you know. one of the things - like everything else these days the nfl has not been able to escape politics and i think because it's gotten so popular it is, right there dead at, the center but the problem is because it's not been able to avoid politics it's actually getting it from both sides on one hand you know ...
Yeah You know. one, of the. things - like, everything. else these days the, NFL has not been able to escape politics And I think because it's gotten so; popular, it is right there dead at the center But the problem is because it's not been able to avoid politics it's actually getting it, from both, sides On one hand yo...
yeah. you know, one of the things - like everything else these days, the nfl has not been able to escape politics. and i think because it's gotten so popular it is right there, dead at the center. but the problem is because it's not been able to avoid politics it's actually getting it from both sides. on one hand, you ...
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...It's left the league without a natural constituency.
...it's left the, league without a natural
...It's left the. league, without a natural
...it's left the league without a natural constituency.
Did you ever think football would be at the - at - like, in the middle of the culture wars? Like, is this a surprise to you?
did you ever think football would be at the - at - like in the; middle of the culture wars? like is this a surprise to
Did you ever think football would. be; at the - at - like, in the. middle. of the culture wars? Like is this a surprise to
did you ever think football would be at the - at - like, in the middle of the culture wars? like, is this a surprise to you?
It's so strange to think of the NFL, you know, which is - you know, let's not get ahead of ourselves. It is a game where people run around and throw a ball and tackle each other - has become some sort of big political thing. You know, and listen; sports has always wanted to consider itself separate than politics. Fans ...
it's. so strange to think, of the nfl you know, which is - you know let's not get ahead of, ourselves it is a game where people run around and throw a ball and tackle each other - has become some sort, of big political thing you know and listen sports has always wanted, to consider itself separate than politics fans al...
It's so strange to think, of the NFL you know. which is - you know let's, not get ahead of ourselves It is, a game where people run around. and throw a ball and tackle. each other - has, become some sort of big, political thing You know and listen sports has always wanted to consider itself separate than politics Fans ...
it's so strange to think of the nfl, you know, which is - you know, let's not get ahead of ourselves. it is a game where people run around and throw a ball and tackle each other - has become some sort of big political thing. you know, and listen; sports has always wanted to consider itself separate than politics. fans ...
But, you know, standing for the anthem is a political act. Paying for your ticket is a political act. When these stadiums are built with public financing, these - sports has never been able to be completely separate from politics. And I think the reason the NFL has gotten caught up so much in this is it's gotten so big...
but you know standing for the, anthem is a. political act paying for your ticket is a political act when these stadiums are built with public, financing these - sports has never been able to be completely separate from politics; and i think the, reason the nfl has gotten caught up so much in this is, it's gotten so big...
But you know standing for the anthem is. a political act Paying for your ticket is a political act When these stadiums are built with public financing these, - sports has never been, able to be completely separate from. politics And I think the reason the NFL has gotten caught up so much in this is it's gotten so big Y...
but, you know, standing for the anthem is a political act. paying for your ticket is a political act. when these stadiums are built with public financing, these - sports has never been able to be completely separate from politics. and i think the reason the nfl has gotten caught up so much in this is it's gotten so big...
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And sports, specifically the NFL, is not a DVR game. So people have to watch it live, which has helped them on ad rates. I would argue that one of the mistakes the NFL has made in that, however, is they have overcompensated in that way.
and sports, specifically the nfl is not a. dvr game so people have to watch it live which has helped them on ad rates i would argue that one of. the mistakes the nfl has. made in, that however is they, have overcompensated in that
And sports specifically the NFL, is not a DVR game So people have to watch it live which. has helped them on, ad, rates. I would argue that one of the mistakes, the NFL. has made in that however is they have overcompensated in that,
and sports, specifically the nfl, is not a dvr game. so people have to watch it live, which has helped them on ad rates. i would argue that one of the mistakes the nfl has made in that, however, is they have overcompensated in that way.
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