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This is MORNING EDITION from NPR News. I'm Renee Montagne at NPR West. | this is morning edition from npr news i'm renee montagne at npr | This is MORNING EDITION. from, NPR. News I'm Renee Montagne at NPR | this is morning edition from npr news. i'm renee montagne at npr west. |
We call our series The Urban Frontier, and we begin this week in a city that's growing dramatically. Karachi's residents include the writer Fatima Bhutto, whose late aunt Benazir once ruled this country. | we call our series the urban frontier and we; begin this week in a city that's growing dramatically karachi's residents include; the writer fatima, bhutto whose late aunt benazir, once ruled this | We call our series The Urban Frontier and we begin, this week in a city that's growing dramatically Karachi's residents include the writer Fatima Bhutto whose late aunt, Benazir once ruled this | we call our series the urban frontier, and we begin this week in a city that's growing dramatically. karachi's residents include the writer fatima bhutto, whose late aunt benazir once ruled this country. |
Karachi is the economic heart of Pakistan; it's the commercial heart of Pakistan. We're a port city. Your writers, your journalists, you know, your media strongholds are here. Unfortunately, this means in some ways that we're the seat of what takes place in Pakistan, good or bad. | karachi is the economic heart of pakistan it's the commercial heart of pakistan, we're a port. city your writers your journalists you know your media strongholds are here unfortunately this means in some ways; that, we're the seat of what takes place in, pakistan good or | Karachi is the economic heart. of Pakistan. it's; the commercial heart of Pakistan We're a port city Your writers your journalists you know your media strongholds are here Unfortunately this. means. in some ways that we're the seat of what takes place, in Pakistan good or | karachi is the economic heart of pakistan; it's the commercial heart of pakistan. we're a port city. your writers, your journalists, you know, your media strongholds are here. unfortunately, this means in some ways that we're the seat of what takes place in pakistan, good or bad. |
It was the first of the mass migrations that transformed this city, which we can see all around us from this hilltop, and that migration included a four-year-old boy named Arif Hassan. | it was the first of the mass migrations that transformed this city which we can see all, around us from this hilltop and that, migration included a four-year-old boy, named arif | It; was the first of the mass migrations that transformed this city which we can see all around us from, this, hilltop and that migration included, a four-year-old, boy named Arif | it was the first of the mass migrations that transformed this city, which we can see all around us from this hilltop, and that migration included a four-year-old boy named arif hassan. |
I don't remember the journey. It was the last train that came from Delhi to Karachi. No train has come after that from Delhi to Karachi. Coming to Karachi, that I remember quite vividly. Landing at the railway station, being greeted by Pakistani flags and Long Live Pakistan slogans. I remember that. I remember going to... | i don't, remember the journey it was the last, train. that came from. delhi to karachi no train has come after that. from delhi to karachi coming to karachi that; i remember quite vividly landing at the, railway station being greeted, by pakistani flags. and long live pakistan, slogans i remember that i remember, going... | I don't remember the journey It was the last train that came from Delhi to Karachi No train has come after that from Delhi to. Karachi Coming to Karachi that I, remember quite vividly Landing at the railway station being greeted, by Pakistani flags and Long Live Pakistan slogans I, remember that I remember going to a r... | i don't remember the journey. it was the last train that came from delhi to karachi. no train has come after that from delhi to karachi. coming to karachi, that i remember quite vividly. landing at the railway station, being greeted by pakistani flags and long live pakistan slogans. i remember that. i remember going to... |
Arif Hassan grew up to be an architect, an urban planner, and he vividly recalls the way a city of green parks and old bazaars began to change. The newcomers from India got involved in protests, so the government moved them to suburbs, away from the center of power, outside town. The city began to sprawl, and as more m... | arif hassan grew up, to be an architect an urban planner and he vividly recalls the way a city. of green parks and old bazaars began to change the newcomers from india got involved. in protests so the government moved them to suburbs away from the center. of power outside town the city began to sprawl and as, more migr... | Arif Hassan grew up to be an architect. an urban planner and he vividly recalls the way a city of. green parks and old bazaars began to change The newcomers from India, got involved in protests so. the government moved them to suburbs away from the center of power outside town The, city began to sprawl and as, more mig... | arif hassan grew up to be an architect, an urban planner, and he vividly recalls the way a city of green parks and old bazaars began to change. the newcomers from india got involved in protests, so the government moved them to suburbs, away from the center of power, outside town. the city began to sprawl, and as more m... |
(SOUNDBITE OF SIREN, TRAFFIC SOUNDS) | (soundbite of siren traffic | (SOUNDBITE. OF SIREN TRAFFIC | (soundbite of siren, traffic sounds) |
This is one of the busiest intersections of Karachi. Trucks, cars, rolling by - just a minute ago I saw the traffic police struggling to get through traffic. Overhead is a bridge that collapsed. There's a huge gap in the bridge, and it's been prevented from collapsing further by piles of stone and brick. | this is, one of the busiest intersections of, karachi trucks cars rolling by - just a minute ago i saw the traffic police struggling to get through traffic overhead is a bridge that collapsed there's a huge gap in the bridge and it's been prevented from collapsing further by piles of stone and | This is one of the busiest intersections of Karachi Trucks cars rolling by - just a minute ago I. saw the traffic police struggling to get through traffic Overhead is a bridge that collapsed, There's a huge gap in, the bridge and it's, been prevented from collapsing further by piles of stone and | this is one of the busiest intersections of karachi. trucks, cars, rolling by - just a minute ago i saw the traffic police struggling to get through traffic. overhead is a bridge that collapsed. there's a huge gap in the bridge, and it's been prevented from collapsing further by piles of stone and brick. |
who controls it, who's allowed to live on it, who might be killed for it. Arif Hassan says land has replaced gold. He says everything that happened for gold now happens for land. | who controls it who's allowed to live on it who. might be killed for it arif hassan says land has replaced gold he says everything, that happened, for gold now happens for | who controls it, who's allowed, to live on it who might be killed for it Arif Hassan says land has replaced gold. He says everything that happened for gold, now happens for | who controls it, who's allowed to live on it, who might be killed for it. arif hassan says land has replaced gold. he says everything that happened for gold now happens for land. |
(SOUNDBITE OF CAR HORN HONKING) | (soundbite, of car horn | (SOUNDBITE OF CAR HORN. | (soundbite of car horn honking) |
And why don't you say your name and how old you are and where you're from, so we don't lose that. | and why don't you say your name and how old you are and where you're from so we don't lose | And why don't you say your name and how old you are and where you're from so we don't, lose | and why don't you say your name and how old you are and where you're from, so we don't lose that. |
(Foreign language spoken) | (foreign language | (Foreign, language, | (foreign language spoken) |
Mohammad Nader is 31 years old and he comes from a tiny town in northwest Pakistan. Through an interpreter he says his life changed when he caught a plane for Karachi. | mohammad, nader is 31 years old and he comes from a tiny town in northwest pakistan through an interpreter he says his life, changed when he caught a plane for | Mohammad Nader is 31 years old and he comes from a tiny town in northwest Pakistan Through an interpreter he says his life changed when he caught a plane for | mohammad nader is 31 years old and he comes from a tiny town in northwest pakistan. through an interpreter he says his life changed when he caught a plane for karachi. |
(Through translator) Well, actually, I came here the first time to attend the engagement ceremony of my friend. I came here the first time on plane, and I was intending to be staying here only for a week, but then - now time has flown so much I had to stay here, then... love and marriage. | (through translator) well actually i came here the first, time to attend the engagement ceremony of; my friend i came here, the first time on plane and i was intending to be staying. here only for a week, but then - now time has flown so much i had to stay here then... love and | (Through translator) Well actually I came here the first time to attend the engagement ceremony of my friend I, came here the first time on, plane and I was intending to be staying here only for a week but then - now time has flown so much, I had. to stay here. then... love and | (through translator) well, actually, i came here the first time to attend the engagement ceremony of my friend. i came here the first time on plane, and i was intending to be staying here only for a week, but then - now time has flown so much i had to stay here, then... love and marriage. |
This city has never provided many services to those residents. There aren't enough good schools or health care. Early this year a blackout struck the city when authorities failed to pay the electric bill. But Mohammad Nader found a job with a charity that answers the call for help. | this city; has never provided many services to those; residents there aren't; enough good schools or health care early this year a blackout struck the city when authorities failed to pay the electric, bill but mohammad nader found a job. with a charity that answers the call for | This city, has never provided many, services. to those residents There aren't enough good, schools or health care Early this year a blackout, struck the city when authorities failed to pay, the electric bill But Mohammad Nader found a job with a charity that answers the call for | this city has never provided many services to those residents. there aren't enough good schools or health care. early this year a blackout struck the city when authorities failed to pay the electric bill. but mohammad nader found a job with a charity that answers the call for help. |
(SOUNDBITE OF TELEPHONE RINGING) | (soundbite of telephone | (SOUNDBITE OF TELEPHONE | (soundbite of telephone ringing) |
The Edhi Ambulance Service operates the equivalent of a 911 line, since the government does not. In Karachi it's 115. | the edhi ambulance service operates the equivalent of a 911 line since the government does not in karachi it's | The Edhi Ambulance Service operates the equivalent of a 911 line since the government does not, In Karachi it's | the edhi ambulance service operates the equivalent of a 911 line, since the government does not. in karachi it's 115. |
Hello? | hello? | ||
A license, an ambulance license. | a license an ambulance | A license an ambulance | a license, an ambulance license. |
A driver's license. | a driver's | A driver's | a driver's license. |
Did you have to get training for that? | did you have to get training for | Did you. have to get training for | did you have to get training for that? |
(Foreign language spoken) | (foreign language | (Foreign language | (foreign language spoken) |
He says he got three days of training. Among other things, he learned to wait for the police before moving a murder victim off the street. That's an important skill in Karachi, which has a long history of political violence. The many victims of those killings almost included ambulance driver Mohammed Nader. His supervi... | he says he got three days of training among; other things he learned to. wait for the police before moving a murder victim off; the street that's an important skill in karachi which has a long, history of. political violence the many victims of those killings almost included; ambulance driver mohammed nader his supervi... | He says he got three days of training Among other things. he learned to, wait. for the. police before moving a murder victim off the street That's an important skill in Karachi which has a long history of political, violence The many victims of those killings almost included ambulance, driver Mohammed Nader His supervi... | he says he got three days of training. among other things, he learned to wait for the police before moving a murder victim off the street. that's an important skill in karachi, which has a long history of political violence. the many victims of those killings almost included ambulance driver mohammed nader. his supervi... |
When we woke up in the morning, people were aware that it's going to be a very bloody day. And opposition and ruling party were both having, you know, having the processions on that day. | when we woke up in, the morning people were; aware that it's going to be a, very bloody day and opposition and ruling party were both having; you. know having the processions on that | When we woke up in the morning people were. aware that it's going to be a very bloody day And opposition and ruling party were both having you know having the processions on that | when we woke up in the morning, people were aware that it's going to be a very bloody day. and opposition and ruling party were both having, you know, having the processions on that day. |
On that day in 2007, gun battles began. Word came in of gunshot victims on a bus, and Faisal Edhi decided to climb into Mohammed Nader's ambulance. | on that day in 2007, gun battles began word. came in of gunshot victims on a bus and faisal edhi decided to climb into mohammed nader's. | On that day in 2007, gun battles began Word came in of gunshot victims on a bus and. Faisal Edhi decided. to climb into Mohammed Nader's | on that day in 2007, gun battles began. word came in of gunshot victims on a bus, and faisal edhi decided to climb into mohammed nader's ambulance. |
Nader was accompanying me, and we were stopped, surrounded by about 30 to 40 people, gunmen, belonging to the ruling party. | nader, was accompanying me and we were stopped surrounded by about 30 to 40 people gunmen belonging to the; ruling | Nader was accompanying me, and we were. stopped surrounded by about 30 to 40 people gunmen belonging to the ruling | nader was accompanying me, and we were stopped, surrounded by about 30 to 40 people, gunmen, belonging to the ruling party. |
The ruling party gunmen focused in on the face of Mohammed Nader. His complexion marked him as a man from northern Pakistan. | the ruling party gunmen focused, in on the face of mohammed nader his complexion marked him as a man, from northern | The, ruling party gunmen. focused in on the face, of Mohammed Nader His complexion marked him as a. man from northern | the ruling party gunmen focused in on the face of mohammed nader. his complexion marked him as a man from northern pakistan. |
He was sitting in the back of the ambulance. They grabbed - they took him, you know, out of the ambulance for shooting purpose. They wanted to kill him because - because of his appearance, and I yelled at him, do not shoot, he's our man. | he, was sitting in the back of the ambulance they grabbed - they took him you know out of the ambulance. for shooting purpose they wanted to kill him. because, - because of his appearance. and i yelled at him do not shoot he's. our | He was sitting, in. the, back of the ambulance They grabbed, - they took him you know out of the ambulance for shooting purpose They wanted to kill him. because - because of his. appearance, and I yelled at him do not. shoot he's our | he was sitting in the back of the ambulance. they grabbed - they took him, you know, out of the ambulance for shooting purpose. they wanted to kill him because - because of his appearance, and i yelled at him, do not shoot, he's our man. |
As he argued for the driver's life, Faisal Edhi knew that one ambulance driver had already been killed that day. But after pointing a gun at Mohammed Nader's head and instructing him to say his prayers, the gunmen let him go. This ambulance driver gets paid the equivalent of about $82 per month for doing this job. At t... | as he argued for the, driver's life faisal edhi knew that one ambulance driver. had already been killed that day but after pointing. a. gun at mohammed nader's head and instructing him to say. his. prayers. the gunmen. let him go this ambulance driver gets paid the equivalent of about $82 per month for doing this, job ... | As he argued for the driver's life Faisal Edhi knew that one ambulance driver had already, been killed that. day But after pointing a gun at Mohammed, Nader's head and; instructing him to say his prayers the gunmen let him go This ambulance driver gets paid, the equivalent. of about $82 per month for doing this job At ... | as he argued for the driver's life, faisal edhi knew that one ambulance driver had already been killed that day. but after pointing a gun at mohammed nader's head and instructing him to say his prayers, the gunmen let him go. this ambulance driver gets paid the equivalent of about $82 per month for doing this job. at t... |
On the issue of the political agreement that has to be realized in order to bring about a cease-fire, an end to the fighting, we also want to move very quickly this week in the Security Council to see a resolution passed that would effectively end the fighting, that would put these political issues into full view so th... | on the issue of the political agreement that has to be realized in, order, to bring about a cease-fire an. end to the fighting, we also, want to move very quickly this week in; the security council to, see a resolution passed that would effectively end the fighting that would put these political issues into full view s... | On; the issue of the political agreement that has to be realized in order to bring about, a, cease-fire. an end to the fighting we also, want. to move very quickly this week in the Security Council to see a, resolution passed that would, effectively end, the. fighting that. would put these political issues into, full v... | on the issue of the political agreement that has to be realized in order to bring about a cease-fire, an end to the fighting, we also want to move very quickly this week in the security council to see a resolution passed that would effectively end the fighting, that would put these political issues into full view so th... |
Those three elements, we believe, are the key elements that have to be agreed. We'll certainly have to go into next week before we can pass a resolution of the Security Council, but we are trying very, very hard. And I think the Saudi government knows that the United States is the one country that can pull all sides to... | those three elements we believe, are the key elements that have to be agreed, we'll certainly have to go into next week before we can pass a resolution of the security council but we are trying very very. hard and i think the saudi government knows that the, united states is the one country that can pull all sides toge... | Those three elements we believe are the key elements that have to be agreed We'll certainly have to go into next week before we can pass a resolution of the Security Council but we are trying very very hard And I think the Saudi government knows that the United States is the one country that can pull all sides together... | those three elements, we believe, are the key elements that have to be agreed. we'll certainly have to go into next week before we can pass a resolution of the security council, but we are trying very, very hard. and i think the saudi government knows that the united states is the one country that can pull all sides to... |
So into next week, you're saying, at the U.N. Secretary Rice had thought it could be done within this week. | so into next week you're saying at the u.n secretary rice had thought it could be done within this | So into next week you're saying at the U.N Secretary Rice had thought it could; be, done within this | so into next week, you're saying, at the u.n. secretary rice had thought it could be done within this week. |
We were all hoping that it could be done this week or next. It's likely that it's going to go into next week. We'd be delighted if we can make progress before that. And there has to be progress made to get this international force at least authorized by the Security Council so that we can have some prospect that beyond... | we were all hoping that it could be done this week or next it's likely that it's going to go into next week we'd be delighted if we can make progress. before that and there has to be progress made to get this international force at least authorized by the, security council. so that we can have some prospect that beyond... | We were. all hoping that it could be done this week or next It's likely that it's going to go into next week, We'd be delighted, if we. can make progress before that And, there has to be progress made to get this international force at. least authorized by the Security Council so that we can have some prospect that bey... | we were all hoping that it could be done this week or next. it's likely that it's going to go into next week. we'd be delighted if we can make progress before that. and there has to be progress made to get this international force at least authorized by the security council so that we can have some prospect that beyond... |
But this is where things get complicated and it all has to do with sequencing. You've got the United States seeming to be, at least, at odds with its European allies, who are lining up behind France. France is saying first, an immediate halt to the fighting, then a negotiated cease-fire and then a political agreement, ... | but this is where things get complicated and it all has to do with sequencing. you've got the united states seeming, to be at, least at odds with its european allies who are lining up behind france france is saying first an immediate, halt to the fighting then a negotiated cease-fire, and then a political agreement and... | But, this is where things get, complicated and it all has, to do with, sequencing You've got the United States seeming to be at least at odds with its European allies who. are lining up behind France France is, saying first an immediate halt to the fighting. then a negotiated cease-fire and then a political agreement a... | but this is where things get complicated and it all has to do with sequencing. you've got the united states seeming to be, at least, at odds with its european allies, who are lining up behind france. france is saying first, an immediate halt to the fighting, then a negotiated cease-fire and then a political agreement, ... |
Well, I'll say, as so often happens, diplomacy is very complicated. But the stories that somehow the United States is disaffected from its European allies are completely wrong. I've spent most of today in very productive talks with the French and British governments, trying to see if we can design a joint French, Ameri... | well, i'll say as so often happens diplomacy is. very complicated but the stories that somehow the united states is disaffected from its european allies are completely wrong i've spent most of today in very productive talks with the french and british governments, trying to see if we can design a joint french american ... | Well I'll say as so often happens diplomacy is very complicated But the stories that somehow the United States is disaffected from its European allies are completely wrong I've spent most of. today, in very productive talks with the French and. British governments trying to see. if we can design a joint French American... | well, i'll say, as so often happens, diplomacy is very complicated. but the stories that somehow the united states is disaffected from its european allies are completely wrong. i've spent most of today in very productive talks with the french and british governments, trying to see if we can design a joint french, ameri... |
If you're all in agreement, then why did France threaten to boycott a U.N. meeting that was scheduled for tomorrow and now has had to be postponed? | if you're all in agreement then why did france threaten to boycott a u.n meeting that was scheduled for tomorrow and now has had to be | If you're all in. agreement then why, did France threaten to boycott a U.N meeting, that was scheduled for tomorrow. and now has had to, be | if you're all in agreement, then why did france threaten to boycott a u.n. meeting that was scheduled for tomorrow and now has had to be postponed? |
Actually, we agreed with the French. France and the United States went together to Secretary General Kofi Annan yesterday and said we don't think the time is right for that particular conference. Because what we've got to do first, we've got to get a basic agreement on what this Security Council resolution would look l... | actually we agreed with the french france and the united states went together to secretary general, kofi annan yesterday and said we don't think the time is right for that, particular conference because what we've got to do first we've. got to get a basic. agreement on what this security council resolution would look l... | Actually we agreed with the, French France and the, United States went together to Secretary General Kofi Annan yesterday and said we don't think the time is right for that particular conference Because what we've. got to do first we've got to get a basic agreement on what this Security Council resolution would, look l... | actually, we agreed with the french. france and the united states went together to secretary general kofi annan yesterday and said we don't think the time is right for that particular conference. because what we've got to do first, we've got to get a basic agreement on what this security council resolution would look l... |
Do you think if I were to be talking to your French counterpart right now, he would say the same thing? | do you think if i. were to be talking to your french counterpart right now he would say the same | Do, you think if I were to be talking to your French counterpart right now he would say the same | do you think if i were to be talking to your french counterpart right now, he would say the same thing? |
Well, I just got off the phone with him before we started our interview and he and I were in violent agreement on the process that I told you about. I'm not trying to assert that somehow there's complete uniformity of views between the U.S. and any European country, but for the most part, we've made a fundamental agree... | well. i just got off the phone with him before we started our interview and he and i. were in violent agreement on the process that i told you about i'm not trying to assert that somehow there's complete uniformity of views between the u.s and any european country but for the most part we've made a fundamental agreemen... | Well I just got. off, the phone with him before we started our interview and, he and I were in, violent agreement on the process that I told you about I'm not trying to assert that somehow, there's complete uniformity of views between the U.S and any European country but. for the most part we've made, a fundamental. ag... | well, i just got off the phone with him before we started our interview and he and i were in violent agreement on the process that i told you about. i'm not trying to assert that somehow there's complete uniformity of views between the u.s. and any european country, but for the most part, we've made a fundamental agree... |
I'd like to ask you about the long-term effects of what's going on now. The longer that this fighting continues, the more loss of civilian life that we see. Do you not fear that there's a climate being fostered where extremism will increase, where support for Hezbollah will increase, including among people who would ne... | i'd like to ask you about the long-term effects of what's going. on now the longer that this fighting, continues the more, loss of civilian life that we see do you not fear that, there's a climate; being fostered where extremism will increase where support for hezbollah will increase, including among people who would n... | I'd like to ask you about the long-term effects of what's going on now The longer that this fighting continues. the more loss of civilian life that. we see Do you not fear that there's a climate being. fostered. where extremism will increase where support for Hezbollah will increase including among people who would nev... | i'd like to ask you about the long-term effects of what's going on now. the longer that this fighting continues, the more loss of civilian life that we see. do you not fear that there's a climate being fostered where extremism will increase, where support for hezbollah will increase, including among people who would ne... |
Well, there's no question that emotions are running very high in the Middle East and there's also no question that passions are high specifically in the Arab world. We see that and we understand that. We also have to do what's right here, and what's right is support for a democratic Lebanese government. | well there's no question that emotions are running very high in the middle east and, there's also no question that passions are high specifically in the arab world we see that and we understand that we also have to do what's right here and what's right is support. for, a democratic lebanese | Well there's no question that emotions are running very high in the Middle East and there's also no question that passions are high specifically in the Arab world We see that and we understand that We also. have to. do what's right here and. what's right. is support for a, democratic Lebanese | well, there's no question that emotions are running very high in the middle east and there's also no question that passions are high specifically in the arab world. we see that and we understand that. we also have to do what's right here, and what's right is support for a democratic lebanese government. |
And the basic problem here, Melissa, is that Hezbollah has taken over responsibilities of the government of Lebanon. They've created a state within a state. They have fundamentally destabilized Lebanon. And so we want to see that situation righted and we want to see the government of Lebanon become stronger and obvious... | and the basic problem here melissa is that hezbollah has taken over responsibilities. of the government of lebanon they've created a state within a state they have fundamentally. destabilized lebanon and so we want, to see that situation. righted and we want to see the government, of lebanon become stronger and obvious... | And the basic problem here Melissa is that Hezbollah has taken over responsibilities of the, government of Lebanon They've created a state within a state They have fundamentally destabilized Lebanon And so we want to see that situation righted and we want to see the government of Lebanon become, stronger and obviously ... | and the basic problem here, melissa, is that hezbollah has taken over responsibilities of the government of lebanon. they've created a state within a state. they have fundamentally destabilized lebanon. and so we want to see that situation righted and we want to see the government of lebanon become stronger and obvious... |
We also need to protect and defend our ally Israel, which has been attacked, we can't forget that. So the United States is one of the few countries, if not the only country in the world that has the set of relations in the Arab world, as well as with Israel, that can help us to bring our influence to bear to end this f... | we also need to protect and defend our ally israel which has been attacked we can't forget that so the united states is. one of the few countries, if not the only country, in the world that has the set of relations in the arab world as well as; with israel. that can help us. to bring our influence to bear to end this | We also; need to protect and, defend our ally Israel which has been attacked, we; can't forget that So the United States is one of the few. countries if; not, the only country in the world that has the set. of relations in the Arab world as well as with Israel that can help us to bring our influence to bear to end this... | we also need to protect and defend our ally israel, which has been attacked, we can't forget that. so the united states is one of the few countries, if not the only country in the world that has the set of relations in the arab world, as well as with israel, that can help us to bring our influence to bear to end this f... |
Is the backlash though, do you think, that Hezbollah may emerge stronger in some sense? Maybe not militarily, but politically. | is the backlash though do you. think that hezbollah may emerge stronger in some sense? maybe not militarily but | Is the backlash though do you think that Hezbollah may emerge stronger in some sense? Maybe not, militarily but | is the backlash though, do you think, that hezbollah may emerge stronger in some sense? maybe not militarily, but politically. |
Oh, I think it's hard to say. I think what also the press has failed to report or failed maybe to appreciate in recent days is the degree to which Hezbollah's basic military infrastructure has been degraded by Israel. | oh i think it's hard to say. i think what also the press, has failed to report or failed maybe to appreciate in recent days is the degree to which hezbollah's. basic military infrastructure has been degraded by | Oh I think it's hard to say I think what, also the press has failed to report. or failed maybe to appreciate in recent days is the degree to which Hezbollah's basic military infrastructure has been degraded by | oh, i think it's hard to say. i think what also the press has failed to report or failed maybe to appreciate in recent days is the degree to which hezbollah's basic military infrastructure has been degraded by israel. |
When Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah built up on the border a huge array of fortifications and bunkers and tunnels and rocket launching pads, which they have used of course over the last three weeks. Those are now all being destroyed. | when israel pulled out of lebanon in 2000, hezbollah built up on the border a, huge array of fortifications and bunkers and tunnels and rocket launching pads which they have used of course over the, last three weeks those are now all being | When Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah, built up, on the border. a huge array of fortifications and bunkers and tunnels and rocket launching pads which they have used. of course over the last three weeks, Those are now all being | when israel pulled out of lebanon in 2000, hezbollah built up on the border a huge array of fortifications and bunkers and tunnels and rocket launching pads, which they have used of course over the last three weeks. those are now all being destroyed. |
And so Hezbollah, without any question, will emerge from this weaker militarily. It obviously has gained lots of support in the Arab world, but whether that lasts when people reflect on this conflict once it's over, reflect that Hezbollah started it without the knowledge of the Lebanese government and pulled an entire ... | and so, hezbollah without any; question will emerge from this weaker militarily it obviously has gained lots of, support in the arab world but whether that lasts when people reflect on, this conflict once it's over reflect that; hezbollah started it without the knowledge of the lebanese government and pulled an entire ... | And so Hezbollah without any question will emerge from this weaker militarily It obviously. has gained lots of support in the Arab world but whether that lasts when people, reflect on this conflict once. it's over reflect that Hezbollah started it without the knowledge of the; Lebanese government and pulled an entire c... | and so hezbollah, without any question, will emerge from this weaker militarily. it obviously has gained lots of support in the arab world, but whether that lasts when people reflect on this conflict once it's over, reflect that hezbollah started it without the knowledge of the lebanese government and pulled an entire ... |
Secretary Burns, thanks very much. | secretary burns, thanks very | Secretary Burns. thanks very | secretary burns, thanks very much. |
Thanks very much. | thanks very | Thanks very | thanks very much. |
Nicholas Burns is Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs. | nicholas burns is undersecretary of state for political | Nicholas Burns is Undersecretary of State for Political | nicholas burns is undersecretary of state for political affairs. |
Here's a story from the hospital where commentator Joe Wright is continuing his medical education. | here's a story. from the hospital where commentator joe wright is continuing his medical. | Here's a story from the hospital. where commentator Joe Wright is continuing his medical | here's a story from the hospital where commentator joe wright is continuing his medical education. |
Yeah, and... | yeah | Yeah | yeah, and... |
Actually, if you think about it, it's a very close instrument to Bach's own instrument, the organ, so it's essentially, you know, blowing wind through some kind of contraption. And on this record, Galliano plays with some string players. And here's what it all sounds like in this really beautiful slow movement from Bac... | actually if you think about it it's a very close instrument to bach's own. instrument the organ so it's. essentially you know blowing, wind through some kind of contraption and on this record galliano plays with some. string players and here's what it all sounds, like in this really beautiful slow movement from bach's ... | Actually if, you think about it it's, a very close instrument to Bach's own instrument the organ so it's essentially you know. blowing wind through some kind of contraption, And, on this record Galliano plays with some string, players And here's what it all sounds like in this really beautiful slow movement from Bach's... | actually, if you think about it, it's a very close instrument to bach's own instrument, the organ, so it's essentially, you know, blowing wind through some kind of contraption. and on this record, galliano plays with some string players. and here's what it all sounds like in this really beautiful slow movement from bac... |
(Soundbite of song, "Harpsichord Concerto in F Minor") | (soundbite of song "harpsichord concerto in f | (Soundbite of song "Harpsichord Concerto in F | (soundbite of song, "harpsichord concerto in f minor") |
I don't think I've ever heard of someone who specializes in classical accordion, Tom. | i don't think. i've ever heard of someone. who. specializes in classical accordion | I don't think I've, ever heard of someone who specializes in classical accordion | i don't think i've ever heard of someone who specializes in classical accordion, tom. |
Well, he's actually experimented in many styles over the years. And Galliano, at age 4, followed his dad's footsteps and took up the accordion and largely made a career by playing with jazz greats. | well he's actually experimented in many styles over, the years and. galliano at, age 4, followed, his dad's footsteps and took up the accordion and largely made a career, by playing with jazz | Well he's actually, experimented in many styles over the, years And Galliano at age, 4, followed his dad's footsteps and took up the. accordion and largely made a career by playing with jazz | well, he's actually experimented in many styles over the years. and galliano, at age 4, followed his dad's footsteps and took up the accordion and largely made a career by playing with jazz greats. |
Does Galliano, would he offend Bach purists? I mean, will they hear this and say this is really cheesy? | does galliano would he offend bach purists? i. mean, will they hear this and say this is really | Does Galliano would he offend Bach purists? I mean will they hear. this and say this is really | does galliano, would he offend bach purists? i mean, will they hear this and say this is really cheesy? |
Well, this is not Bach on period instruments, let's say. | well this is not bach on period, instruments let's | Well this is not Bach on period, instruments let's | well, this is not bach on period instruments, let's say. |
Right. | right. | ||
But, I think, Guy, he's not overstepping his bounds. I mean, if he where taking these heart wrenching arias and pieces from the St. Matthew Passion or Bach's cantatas and trying to rework that for an accordion, it might not sound so great. But most of the music on this CD is music that Bach himself probably played in c... | but i think guy he's not overstepping his bounds i mean if he. where taking these heart wrenching arias and pieces from the st, matthew passion or, bach's cantatas. and, trying to rework that for an accordion it might not sound so great but; most of the music on this cd is. music that bach himself probably played in co... | But I think Guy he's not overstepping his bounds. I mean if he where. taking these heart wrenching. arias and pieces from the St Matthew Passion or Bach's cantatas and trying to rework that for an accordion it might not sound so great. But most of the music, on this CD is music that Bach himself probably played. in cof... | but, i think, guy, he's not overstepping his bounds. i mean, if he where taking these heart wrenching arias and pieces from the st. matthew passion or bach's cantatas and trying to rework that for an accordion, it might not sound so great. but most of the music on this cd is music that bach himself probably played in c... |
It is. Tom, for our next piece by an artist named Tristan Perich, I believe you have a little show and tell presentation here. | it is tom for. our next piece by an artist named tristan perich i believe you have a little show and tell presentation | It is, Tom for our next piece by an artist named Tristan Perich I believe you have a little show and tell presentation | it is. tom, for our next piece by an artist named tristan perich, i believe you have a little show and tell presentation here. |
Well, this is the radio, so it's a perfect opportunity for a show. | well this is; the radio so it's a perfect opportunity for a | Well this is, the radio so it's a perfect opportunity for a | well, this is the radio, so it's a perfect opportunity for a show. |
Absolutely, yes. | absolutely | Absolutely | absolutely, yes. |
Actually, it's a five-movement symphony that plays off just a single teeny-weeny microchip. And I think... | actually it's. a five-movement symphony that plays off just. a single teeny-weeny, microchip and i | Actually it's a five-movement symphony that plays off just a single teeny-weeny microchip And I | actually, it's a five-movement symphony that plays off just a single teeny-weeny microchip. and i think... |
Like a computer chip? | like a computer | Like a computer | like a computer chip? |
Yeah. Right. And I think half the beauty of the whole project, Guy, is its design. So, take a look at this. It's - here it is - it's housed in this clear plastic CD case made by hand. | yeah right, and i think half the beauty of the whole project guy is its design so. take a look at, this it's - here it is - it's housed in this clear. plastic cd case, made by | Yeah, Right And I think half the beauty of the whole project Guy is its design So take a look at this; It's - here. it is - it's housed in. this clear plastic CD, case made. by | yeah. right. and i think half the beauty of the whole project, guy, is its design. so, take a look at this. it's - here it is - it's housed in this clear plastic cd case made by hand. |
Oh, well. And it looks like the inner workings of, like, a small computer housed in a CD case. | oh well and it. looks like the inner workings of like a small computer, housed in a cd | Oh well, And it looks like the inner workings of like a small computer housed in a. CD | oh, well. and it looks like the inner workings of, like, a small computer housed in a cd case. |
Right. We've got a photo up at our website. If you want to take a look at it, you can go to nprmusic.org. | right we've got a photo up at our website if you want to take a look at it you can go to | Right We've, got a photo up at our website If you want to take a, look at it. you can go to | right. we've got a photo up at our website. if you want to take a look at it, you can go to nprmusic.org. |
It's really beautiful. | it's really | It's really | it's really beautiful. |
It's kind of like a weird 21st century music box. There are six small plastic parts lined up beside each other connected by these little half-moon shaped wires. There's a lithium battery about the size of a nickel, then there's the teeny chip that contains the symphony and then a port to plug in your headphones, becaus... | it's kind, of like a weird 21st century music box; there are six small plastic. parts lined up beside each other connected by these little half-moon shaped wires there's a lithium, battery about the size of a nickel then there's the teeny chip that contains the symphony and then a port to plug in your headphones becaus... | It's kind of like a weird 21st century music box There are six small plastic parts lined up beside each other connected by these little half-moon shaped wires There's, a lithium battery about the size of a nickel then there's the teeny chip that contains the, symphony. and then a port to plug in your headphones because... | it's kind of like a weird 21st century music box. there are six small plastic parts lined up beside each other connected by these little half-moon shaped wires. there's a lithium battery about the size of a nickel, then there's the teeny chip that contains the symphony and then a port to plug in your headphones, becaus... |
It looks absolutely amazing. What does it sound like? | it looks absolutely amazing what does it sound | It looks absolutely amazing What does it sound | it looks absolutely amazing. what does it sound like? |
Well, let's hear a little bit of it. I mean, you got to remember, this is on a very small chip, and he constructs the music by a series of on and off pulses. You're probably either going to be fascinated by it like me or you're going to run away screaming. | well let's hear a little bit of it i mean you got to remember this is on, a very small chip and he. constructs the, music, by a series of on and off pulses you're probably either going to be fascinated by it like me or you're going to run away | Well let's hear a little bit of it I mean you got to remember this is on a very, small chip and he constructs the music. by a series of on and off pulses You're probably either going to be fascinated by it like me or you're going, to run, away | well, let's hear a little bit of it. i mean, you got to remember, this is on a very small chip, and he constructs the music by a series of on and off pulses. you're probably either going to be fascinated by it like me or you're going to run away screaming. |
(Soundbite of music) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of music) |
I don't want to take anything away from Tristan Perich's creativity, because it is a pretty creative concept, but I don't think I could listen to this for more than 30 seconds, 40 seconds. | i don't want to, take anything away. from; tristan perich's creativity because. it is a pretty creative concept but i don't, think. i could listen to this for more than 30 seconds | I don't want. to take anything away from Tristan Perich's creativity because it is a pretty creative; concept but, I don't think I. could listen to this for more than 30 seconds | i don't want to take anything away from tristan perich's creativity, because it is a pretty creative concept, but i don't think i could listen to this for more than 30 seconds, 40 seconds. |
Well, I agree that 35 minutes or so of this, you know, it can go on a little long. And actually, Guy, he constructs this so that the last movement never ends. | well i agree that 35 minutes or so of this you know it can go on, a little long and actually guy he constructs this so that the last movement never | Well I agree that 35 minutes. or so of this you know it can go. on a little long And actually Guy he constructs this so that the last movement never | well, i agree that 35 minutes or so of this, you know, it can go on a little long. and actually, guy, he constructs this so that the last movement never ends. |
It never ends. It's perpetual. | it never ends it's | It never ends; It's | it never ends. it's perpetual. |
No. So it just goes on... | no so it just goes | No So. it just goes | no. so it just goes on... |
Until the battery dies. | until the battery | Until the battery, | until the battery dies. |
But, you know, it takes a little bit of your ear getting used to the fact that this is music, like I said, made out of these very simple electronic pulses and arranged by this complicated source code. It's tinny, yes. Too long, probably, yes. But there are really some interesting textures, some polyrhythms and some sma... | but you know it takes a little bit of your ear getting used to the, fact that this is music like i. said made out of these very simple electronic pulses and arranged by this complicated source code it's, tinny yes too long probably yes. but there. are really some interesting textures some polyrhythms and some small mus... | But you know it takes a, little, bit of your ear getting used to the fact that this is music like I said made out of these very simple, electronic pulses and arranged by. this complicated source code It's tinny. yes Too long probably yes But there are really some interesting textures some polyrhythms and some small, mu... | but, you know, it takes a little bit of your ear getting used to the fact that this is music, like i said, made out of these very simple electronic pulses and arranged by this complicated source code. it's tinny, yes. too long, probably, yes. but there are really some interesting textures, some polyrhythms and some sma... |
I think you're being a little generous calling this symphony, Tom. | i think. you're being, a little generous calling this symphony | I think. you're being a little generous. calling this symphony | i think you're being a little generous calling this symphony, tom. |
Well, I guess symphony is in the ear of the beholder, I guess. | well i guess symphony is in the ear of the beholder, i | Well I guess. symphony is in the ear of the beholder I | well, i guess symphony is in the ear of the beholder, i guess. |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of. | (soundbite of laughter) |
How you define it. But I mean, you know, small bits are fine. Beethoven built the 5th Symphony on very small building blocks. And I'm not saying this is anything like Beethoven, but there are building blocks here that I think are thoughtful. | how you. define it but i mean. you know small bits are fine beethoven built the 5th symphony on very small building. blocks and i'm not saying this is anything like, beethoven but there are building blocks here. that i think are | How you. define it But I mean you. know small bits are fine Beethoven built the 5th Symphony on very small building blocks And I'm not saying, this is anything like Beethoven but there are building blocks, here that I think are | how you define it. but i mean, you know, small bits are fine. beethoven built the 5th symphony on very small building blocks. and i'm not saying this is anything like beethoven, but there are building blocks here that i think are thoughtful. |
That's Tristan Perich's one-bit symphony. NPR classical musical producer Tom Huizenga is my guest, and he's playing us a few of the notable releases that have crossed his desk recently. | that's tristan perich's one-bit symphony npr classical musical producer. tom huizenga is my guest and he's. playing us a few of the notable releases that have crossed his desk | That's, Tristan. Perich's one-bit symphony NPR classical musical producer, Tom Huizenga is, my guest and, he's playing us a few of the notable releases that have crossed his desk | that's tristan perich's one-bit symphony. npr classical musical producer tom huizenga is my guest, and he's playing us a few of the notable releases that have crossed his desk recently. |
Now, Tom, do I hear, or are we feeling - it sounds like Space Mountain a little BIT - sort of rumbling or sort of creeping on us? | now, tom do, i hear or are we. feeling - it sounds like space mountain a little bit - sort of rumbling or sort of creeping on | Now Tom do I hear or are. we feeling, - it sounds like Space Mountain a little BIT - sort, of. rumbling or sort of creeping on; | now, tom, do i hear, or are we feeling - it sounds like space mountain a little bit - sort of rumbling or sort of creeping on us? |
This is not an earthquake like we had a few weeks ago, no. It's music by Max Richter from his ballet called "Infra." | this is not an earthquake like we had a few weeks ago no it's music by max richter from his ballet called | This is not an earthquake like we had a few weeks ago, no. It's music by Max Richter from his ballet. called | this is not an earthquake like we had a few weeks ago, no. it's music by max richter from his ballet called "infra." |
(Soundbite of song, "Infra") | (soundbite; of song | (Soundbite of song | (soundbite of song, "infra") |
Guy, I've really kind of grown to love Max Richter's music over the last couple of years. You know, I especially like Richter's music with this old shortwave radio sounds, these industrial rumbles and clicks and pops. He uses this as kind of an underlying bed for this soundscape slash ballet. Here's a good example, act... | guy i've really kind, of grown to love max richter's music over the last couple of years you know i especially like richter's music with this old shortwave radio sounds these industrial rumbles and. clicks and pops, he uses this as kind of an underlying bed for this soundscape slash ballet here's a good example. actual... | Guy I've, really kind of grown to love Max Richter's, music over the last couple of years You know I especially, like Richter's music with this old shortwave radio sounds these industrial rumbles and clicks and pops He uses this as kind of an underlying bed for this soundscape slash ballet Here's a good example actuall... | guy, i've really kind of grown to love max richter's music over the last couple of years. you know, i especially like richter's music with this old shortwave radio sounds, these industrial rumbles and clicks and pops. he uses this as kind of an underlying bed for this soundscape slash ballet. here's a good example, act... |
(Soundbite of song, "Infra") | (soundbite of, song | (Soundbite of song | (soundbite of song, "infra") |
And then we get to a more lyrical section of the ballet with piano, slightly minimalist. | and then we get to a more, lyrical section of the ballet with piano slightly | And then, we get to a more lyrical section of the ballet with piano slightly | and then we get to a more lyrical section of the ballet with piano, slightly minimalist. |
(Soundbite of song, "Infra") | (soundbite of song, | (Soundbite. of song. | (soundbite of song, "infra") |
You know, this sounds so much like from the movie "The Piano." | you, know this sounds so much, like from the; movie "the | You know this sounds so much like, from; the movie "The | you know, this sounds so much like from the movie "the piano." |
It does, actually, doesn't it? | it, does. actually doesn't | It. does. actually doesn't | it does, actually, doesn't it? |
Right. | right. | ||
With those repeating figures... | with those repeating | With those repeating | with those repeating figures... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
But there are a lot of other influences here in this record, too, Brian Eno, Philip Glass, and I love how he puts it all together in this strange sonic landscape. | but there are a lot of, other influences here in this. record too brian eno philip glass and i love how he, puts it, all together in this strange sonic | But there are a lot of other influences here in this record too Brian Eno Philip Glass and I love how he puts it all together in this strange sonic. | but there are a lot of other influences here in this record, too, brian eno, philip glass, and i love how he puts it all together in this strange sonic landscape. |
(Soundbite of song, "Infra") | (soundbite of song | (Soundbite of song | (soundbite of song, "infra") |
Oh, yeah. Definitely. And there's a brand new disc from American soprano Christine Brewer. And, Guy, you know you're in for a relaxing time when the CD starts like this. | oh yeah, definitely and there's a brand new disc from american soprano christine brewer and guy you know you're in for a; relaxing time when the cd starts like | Oh yeah Definitely And there's a brand new disc from American soprano Christine Brewer And Guy you know you're in for a relaxing time when the CD, starts like | oh, yeah. definitely. and there's a brand new disc from american soprano christine brewer. and, guy, you know you're in for a relaxing time when the cd starts like this. |
(Soundbite of opera) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of opera) |
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