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Depression, anxiety, bipolar, mental health, those are the topics of "Next To Normal." And we're going to talking about "Next to Normal" with my guests. Brian Yorkey is the lyricist and the librettist of "Next To Normal." Welcome to the show, Brian. | depression anxiety bipolar mental health those are the, topics of "next to normal" and we're going to talking about "next to normal" with my guests brian yorkey is the lyricist and the librettist of "next to normal" welcome to the show | Depression anxiety bipolar mental health those are the topics of. "Next To Normal" And we're, going to talking about "Next to Normal" with my guests Brian Yorkey is the lyricist and the librettist of "Next To Normal" Welcome to the show | depression, anxiety, bipolar, mental health, those are the topics of "next to normal." and we're going to talking about "next to normal" with my guests. brian yorkey is the lyricist and the librettist of "next to normal." welcome to the show, brian. |
Hello Ira, thanks for having us. | hello ira thanks for. having | Hello Ira thanks for having | hello ira, thanks for having us. |
You're welcome. Tom Kitt is the composer of "Next to Normal." Thanks for being here Tom. | you're welcome tom kitt is the composer of "next to normal" thanks for, being here | You're welcome; Tom. Kitt is the composer, of; "Next. to Normal" Thanks for being here | you're welcome. tom kitt is the composer of "next to normal." thanks for being here tom. |
Thank you for having. | thank you for | Thank you for | thank you for having. |
Our number 1-800-989-8255 if you'd like to talk about "Next To Normal." 1-800-989-TALK. And as always you can Twitter us as @SciFri, at S-C-I-F-R-I. We'll be taking questions from your Tweets. A very interesting play. I saw it this week. It was terrific I thought. And congratulations to both of you for that. But whenev... | our number 1-800-989-8255 if, you'd like to talk about "next to. normal" 1-800-989-talk and as, always you can twitter us as @scifri at s-c-i-f-r-i we'll be taking questions from your tweets a very interesting play i saw it this week it was terrific i thought and, congratulations to both of you for that but whenever i ... | Our number 1-800-989-8255 if you'd like, to talk about "Next To Normal" 1-800-989-TALK And as always you can Twitter us as @SciFri at S-C-I-F-R-I, We'll be taking questions from your Tweets, A very interesting play I saw it this week It was terrific I thought And congratulations to both of you for that But whenever I g... | our number 1-800-989-8255 if you'd like to talk about "next to normal." 1-800-989-talk. and as always you can twitter us as @scifri, at s-c-i-f-r-i. we'll be taking questions from your tweets. a very interesting play. i saw it this week. it was terrific i thought. and congratulations to both of you for that. but whenev... |
Well, certainly Brian and I wanted to do something a little off the beaten path. We were in the BMI Musical Theater workshop and the final assignment the first year is a 10-minute musical. And we were searching for subject matters. And actually, it was Brian's idea. If you want to talk about that, Brian. | well certainly brian and i wanted to do; something a, little. off the beaten path we were in the bmi musical theater workshop, and the final assignment the first. year is a 10-minute musical and we were searching for subject matters. and actually it was brian's idea if you want to talk about that | Well, certainly Brian and I wanted to do something a. little off the beaten path We were in the BMI Musical Theater workshop and the final assignment the first year is a 10-minute musical. And we were searching for subject matters And actually it was Brian's idea. If you want. to, talk about that. | well, certainly brian and i wanted to do something a little off the beaten path. we were in the bmi musical theater workshop and the final assignment the first year is a 10-minute musical. and we were searching for subject matters. and actually, it was brian's idea. if you want to talk about that, brian. |
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Well during the time that we were sort of casting about looking for a topic for a final project, I actually saw a television news report on electroconvulsive therapy, which is, you know, commonly known as shock therapy. And I think I, like many people, was surprised to find out that it still was practiced. And in fact,... | well during the time that we; were sort of casting about looking for a topic for, a final, project i actually saw a television news report on. electroconvulsive therapy which, is you know commonly known as shock. therapy and i, think. i like many. people was surprised to find out that it still was practiced and in fact... | Well during the time that we were sort of casting about looking for a topic for, a, final project I. actually saw a television news report on electroconvulsive therapy which is you know commonly known as shock therapy And I think I like many people was surprised to find out that it still, was practiced And in fact as I... | well during the time that we were sort of casting about looking for a topic for a final project, i actually saw a television news report on electroconvulsive therapy, which is, you know, commonly known as shock therapy. and i think i, like many people, was surprised to find out that it still was practiced. and in fact,... |
And from that, you know, the report which was, you know, this was many, many years ago but the report also included a statistic that stated that a disproportionate number of patients who received ECT were women and the disproportionate number of the psychiatrists who prescribed it were male. And since I have learned th... | and from that you know the report which was you know this was many many. years ago but the report also included a statistic that stated that a disproportionate, number of patients who received ect were women and the disproportionate number of, the psychiatrists who prescribed it were. male, and since i have learned tha... | And from that you know the report which was you know this was many many years, ago but the report also. included a statistic that stated that a disproportionate number of patients who received ECT were women and the disproportionate number of the psychiatrists who prescribed it were male And since I have learned that t... | and from that, you know, the report which was, you know, this was many, many years ago but the report also included a statistic that stated that a disproportionate number of patients who received ect were women and the disproportionate number of the psychiatrists who prescribed it were male. and since i have learned th... |
It is referred to in the play "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." It is referenced to it in there. Was that on your mind at all, in both of your minds when you thought about this? | it is referred to in the play "one flew over the cuckoo's; nest" it is referenced to it in there was that on your mind at all in both of your minds when you thought about | It is referred to in the play "One. Flew Over the Cuckoo's. Nest" It is, referenced to it in there Was that on your mind at all in both of your minds when you thought about | it is referred to in the play "one flew over the cuckoo's nest." it is referenced to it in there. was that on your mind at all, in both of your minds when you thought about this? |
I think it absolutely was. I mean, that was the last sort of information or impression I had of ECT was "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." And I think that that's true of a lot of people. | i think it absolutely was i mean that was the last sort of information, or impression i had of ect was "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" and i think that that's true of a lot of | I think it absolutely was I mean that was the last sort of information, or impression I. had of, ECT was "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" And I, think that that's true of a lot of | i think it absolutely was. i mean, that was the last sort of information or impression i had of ect was "one flew over the cuckoo's nest." and i think that that's true of a lot of people. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
And in exploring - starting from there and exploring the sort of, as you said in the intro, the pharmacological spectrum that currently exists to treat patients that didn't exist in the same way even 20 years ago, much less, you know, forty years ago, when "Cuckoo's Nest" was first written, more or less. It really sort... | and, in. exploring - starting from there and exploring the sort of as you said in the intro the pharmacological spectrum that currently, exists to treat patients that didn't exist in the same way even, 20 years ago much less you know forty years ago when "cuckoo's nest" was first written more or less, it really sort of... | And in exploring - starting; from there and exploring the sort of as you said in the intro the pharmacological, spectrum that currently exists to treat patients that didn't exist, in the same, way even 20 years ago much less you know forty years ago when "Cuckoo's Nest" was first written more or less. It really, sort o... | and in exploring - starting from there and exploring the sort of, as you said in the intro, the pharmacological spectrum that currently exists to treat patients that didn't exist in the same way even 20 years ago, much less, you know, forty years ago, when "cuckoo's nest" was first written, more or less. it really sort... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
…explore. And also, you know, a really kind of compelling one to think about someone trying to navigate that to cure themselves? | …explore and also you know a, really kind of, compelling one to think about. someone trying to navigate that to cure | …explore And also you know a really kind of compelling one to think. about someone trying to navigate. that to cure | …explore. and also, you know, a really kind of compelling one to think about someone trying to navigate that to cure themselves? |
How much research and how did you do your research for learning about the drugs and the interaction with people? | how much research and how did you do your, research for learning about, the drugs and the interaction with | How much research and how did you do. your research for learning; about the drugs and. the interaction with | how much research and how did you do your research for learning about the drugs and the interaction with people? |
Sure, we did a tremendous amount of research. We, you know, an awful lot of reading, much of it was first person memoirs. There are a number of fantastic memoirs about depression and about bipolar. Kay Redfield Jamison in his one of the most famous, her book, "An Unquiet Mind." She is a psychiatrist and is bipolar, and... | sure we did. a tremendous amount of research we you know, an awful lot of reading much of it was first person memoirs there are a number of. fantastic memoirs about depression and about bipolar kay redfield jamison in his one of the most famous her book "an unquiet mind" she is a psychiatrist and is bipolar, and so has... | Sure we did a tremendous amount of research We you know an awful lot of reading much of. it was first person memoirs There are a number of fantastic memoirs about depression, and about bipolar Kay Redfield Jamison in his one of the most famous her book "An Unquiet Mind" She, is a psychiatrist and is bipolar and so has ... | sure, we did a tremendous amount of research. we, you know, an awful lot of reading, much of it was first person memoirs. there are a number of fantastic memoirs about depression and about bipolar. kay redfield jamison in his one of the most famous, her book, "an unquiet mind." she is a psychiatrist and is bipolar, and... |
There are a number of bipolar people and depressed people who have written memoirs about undergoing shock therapy. Kitty Dukakis is one of the most famous, Andrew Behrman has a book called "Electro Boy." So a lot of these and then a lot of sort of general interest psychiatry books, books like Andrew Solomon's "Noonday ... | there are a number of bipolar people and depressed people who have. written memoirs about. undergoing shock therapy kitty dukakis is one, of the most famous andrew behrman has a book called "electro boy" so a lot of these and then a, lot of sort of general interest psychiatry books books like andrew solomon's. "noonday... | There are a number of bipolar people and depressed people. who have written memoirs about undergoing shock therapy Kitty Dukakis is one of the most famous. Andrew Behrman has a. book called "Electro Boy" So a lot. of these and then a lot. of sort of, general interest psychiatry books books like Andrew Solomon's "Noonda... | there are a number of bipolar people and depressed people who have written memoirs about undergoing shock therapy. kitty dukakis is one of the most famous, andrew behrman has a book called "electro boy." so a lot of these and then a lot of sort of general interest psychiatry books, books like andrew solomon's "noonday ... |
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But there was a tremendous amount of sort of reading research that went into it. | but there was a tremendous amount of sort of reading research that went into | But there, was a. tremendous amount of sort of reading research that went into | but there was a tremendous amount of sort of reading research that went into it. |
It's funny. I was inspired by the subject matter right away and the music kind of poured out of me. First, because Brian's lyrics are so visceral and moving on the page, and so when I get a lyric first, I find it easy to write the music. But, you know, we're telling a story of heightened emotion that goes into many dif... | it's funny i was inspired by the subject matter right away, and the music. kind of poured out of me first because brian's lyrics are so visceral and moving; on the page and so when i get a lyric first i find, it easy to write the music but you know we're. telling a story of heightened emotion, that goes into many diffe... | It's funny I was inspired by the subject matter right away and the music kind of poured out of me First because Brian's lyrics are so visceral and moving on the page and so when I get a lyric first I find it easy to write, the music But you know we're telling a story of heightened emotion that goes into many different ... | it's funny. i was inspired by the subject matter right away and the music kind of poured out of me. first, because brian's lyrics are so visceral and moving on the page, and so when i get a lyric first, i find it easy to write the music. but, you know, we're telling a story of heightened emotion that goes into many dif... |
Sitting in that audience intermission and then at the end, you know, you get that impression that you have struck a raw nerve with everybody. You know, everybody has been through this somehow, some way, from the reaction of the audience, you know. And is that something you were certain you were looking for? Did you exp... | sitting in that audience intermission; and then at, the. end. you know. you get, that impression that you have struck a raw nerve with everybody you know everybody has been through this somehow some way from the reaction of the audience you know and is. that something you were certain you were, looking for? did you exp... | Sitting in that audience, intermission and then. at the, end you know you get that impression that you have struck a raw nerve with everybody You know everybody has been through this somehow some way from the reaction of, the; audience you know And is. that. something. you were certain you were looking, for? Did you ex... | sitting in that audience intermission and then at the end, you know, you get that impression that you have struck a raw nerve with everybody. you know, everybody has been through this somehow, some way, from the reaction of the audience, you know. and is that something you were certain you were looking for? did you exp... |
I personally was gratified and surprised by that from the beginning of our process. Because when you're writing something, you're so in it, you're not always aware of how it's being felt, especially because you do a lot of work before you have a reading or a public presentation of your material. So from the first days ... | i personally was gratified and surprised by that from the beginning. of our process because when you're writing something you're, so in it you're not always aware of how it's being felt especially because you do a lot of work before, you have a reading or. a public, presentation of your material so from the first days ... | I personally was gratified and surprised by that from the beginning of our process, Because when you're, writing something you're so in it you're not always aware. of how it's being felt, especially because you, do a lot of; work before you have a reading or a public presentation of your material So, from the first day... | i personally was gratified and surprised by that from the beginning of our process. because when you're writing something, you're so in it, you're not always aware of how it's being felt, especially because you do a lot of work before you have a reading or a public presentation of your material. so from the first days ... |
Hmm. And without giving away the conclusion of the program, how it turned out, did you spend some time, a lot of time figuring out how you wanted this to end? Or did it happen - the ending that most of these stories have? | hmm and without giving away the conclusion of the program how it, turned out did you, spend some, time a lot of time figuring out how you. wanted this to end? or did; it happen - the ending that, most of these stories | Hmm And without giving away the conclusion of the program how it turned out did you. spend. some time a, lot of time figuring out how you wanted this to end? Or did it happen - the ending that most of these stories | hmm. and without giving away the conclusion of the program, how it turned out, did you spend some time, a lot of time figuring out how you wanted this to end? or did it happen - the ending that most of these stories have? |
Hmm. | hmm. | ||
Well I think that without giving too much away, I think that the ending is not necessarily a fully happy ending in the tradition of Broadway musicals. As my mom says, hymns doesn't go home to hymn's mama. But the ending is what we actually had wanted it to be from the beginning, which is an ending that is true to the s... | well i think that without giving too much away i think that the. ending is not necessarily a fully, happy ending in the tradition of broadway, musicals as, my mom says hymns doesn't go. home to hymn's mama but the, ending is what we, actually had wanted it to be from, the beginning which is an ending that is true. to, ... | Well I think that without giving too much away I think that the ending is not necessarily a fully happy ending in the tradition of Broadway musicals As my mom says hymns doesn't go home to hymn's mama But the ending is what we actually had wanted it to be; from the beginning, which is an ending that is true to the sort... | well i think that without giving too much away, i think that the ending is not necessarily a fully happy ending in the tradition of broadway musicals. as my mom says, hymns doesn't go home to hymn's mama. but the ending is what we actually had wanted it to be from the beginning, which is an ending that is true to the s... |
What were - what did you think, Tom, what were some of the biggest challenges in creating a musical about such a serious subject? | what were - what did you think tom, what, were some of the. biggest. challenges in creating a, musical about such a serious | What were - what did you think Tom what were some of the biggest challenges in creating a musical about such a serious | what were - what did you think, tom, what were some of the biggest challenges in creating a musical about such a serious subject? |
Well, certainly the subject matter and getting the show exactly right because we don't want to create a show that people find so heavy and emotional that they wouldn't necessarily recommend it to people or, if they look back on the experience, they didn't necessarily feel positive about it. | well certainly the subject matter and getting the, show exactly right because we don't want to create a show that people find so heavy and emotional that they wouldn't necessarily recommend it to people or if they look, back on the experience they didn't necessarily feel. positive. about | Well certainly the subject matter and getting the show exactly right because we don't want to create a show that; people find so, heavy and emotional, that they wouldn't necessarily recommend it to people or if, they look back on the, experience, they didn't necessarily, feel positive about | well, certainly the subject matter and getting the show exactly right because we don't want to create a show that people find so heavy and emotional that they wouldn't necessarily recommend it to people or, if they look back on the experience, they didn't necessarily feel positive about it. |
So I think that Brian and I wanted to strike that balance between telling a truthful, emotional story but also creating a positive experience in the theater. And I think that honing the material and making sure it was doing that was probably one of the biggest challenges we faced. | so i think that brian and i wanted to strike, that balance, between telling a truthful emotional story but also creating a positive experience in the theater and i think that honing. the material and making sure it was doing that was probably one of the biggest; challenges we | So I think that Brian and I wanted to strike that balance between telling a truthful emotional story but also creating a positive experience in the theater, And, I think that honing the material and, making sure it was doing that was, probably one of the biggest challenges we | so i think that brian and i wanted to strike that balance between telling a truthful, emotional story but also creating a positive experience in the theater. and i think that honing the material and making sure it was doing that was probably one of the biggest challenges we faced. |
It's interesting because there are two doctors, two MDs in the program. There's a Dr. Madden, who's a psychopharmacologist, and the - Diana, the character, stops seeing him because she doesn't want to take the meds that make her feel numb, and Dr. Fine is a psychotherapist. You had to walk a fine line between the disti... | it's interesting because there are two doctors two mds in the program there's a dr madden who's a psychopharmacologist and the, - diana the character stops seeing him, because she doesn't want to take, the meds that make her. feel numb and dr fine is a psychotherapist you had to walk a fine line between the distinction... | It's. interesting because there are two doctors two MDs in the program There's; a. Dr, Madden who's a psychopharmacologist and the - Diana the character stops seeing him because she doesn't want to, take the meds that make her feel numb and Dr Fine is a psychotherapist You had. to walk a, fine line between. the distinc... | it's interesting because there are two doctors, two mds in the program. there's a dr. madden, who's a psychopharmacologist, and the - diana, the character, stops seeing him because she doesn't want to take the meds that make her feel numb, and dr. fine is a psychotherapist. you had to walk a fine line between the disti... |
Well, there were originally actually more doctors in the program because we spent more time exploring the different treatments that Diana attempts. And over the course of sort of the story evolving, we realized that it was much more about her experience of the illness and how it impacted her family. So we ended up spen... | well there were originally actually more, doctors in the program because we spent more time exploring the different treatments that diana. attempts and over the course of sort of the story evolving we realized that it was much more about her experience of the, illness and how it impacted her family so we, ended up spen... | Well there were originally actually more doctors in the program, because we spent more time exploring the different treatments that Diana attempts And over the course, of sort, of the, story evolving we realized that it. was much more about, her experience of, the illness and how it impacted her family So we ended up s... | well, there were originally actually more doctors in the program because we spent more time exploring the different treatments that diana attempts. and over the course of sort of the story evolving, we realized that it was much more about her experience of the illness and how it impacted her family. so we ended up spen... |
We decided to have two because we felt that we wanted to, as you do, you start a story at the latest possible moment. So we wanted to start the story at a moment where she had been stable and had been relatively healthy, you know, give or take, for a number of years. And oftentimes the experience of being relatively st... | we decided to have two because we felt that we wanted to as you do you start a. story at the latest, possible moment so we wanted to start the. story at a moment where she had been stable and had been relatively healthy you know give or take for a number of years and oftentimes the experience of being relatively stable... | We decided to have two because we felt that we, wanted to as you do you start a story at the latest possible. moment So we. wanted to start, the story at a moment where she had been stable and had been relatively healthy you know give or take for a number of years And oftentimes. the experience of being relatively stab... | we decided to have two because we felt that we wanted to, as you do, you start a story at the latest possible moment. so we wanted to start the story at a moment where she had been stable and had been relatively healthy, you know, give or take, for a number of years. and oftentimes the experience of being relatively st... |
And so that's where we found her. And then as the show sort of opens, a number of things occur to her, and she realizes that with that stability for those years has come a certain kind of numbness that she would like to get rid of. | and so, that's. where we found her and then as the show sort of opens a number of things occur to her and, she realizes that with that stability for those years has come a certain kind of numbness that she would like to get rid | And so that's where we found her And then as the show sort of opens a number of things occur to her and she realizes that with that stability for, those; years has come a certain. kind of numbness that, she would like to get rid | and so that's where we found her. and then as the show sort of opens, a number of things occur to her, and she realizes that with that stability for those years has come a certain kind of numbness that she would like to get rid of. |
Alice Ripley, the actress who plays Diana, won a Tony Award for her portrayal. How much work did she have to do to get this character right? | alice ripley the actress who, plays diana won a tony award for her portrayal how, much work did she have to do to get this character | Alice Ripley the actress who plays Diana won a Tony Award for her portrayal How much; work did she have to do to get this, character | alice ripley, the actress who plays diana, won a tony award for her portrayal. how much work did she have to do to get this character right? |
I think she did a tremendous amount of work. Certainly having seen the show, you know how much music is in the show and how many places Diana's character goes just in terms of the composition of the score. | i think she did a tremendous amount of, work certainly having seen the show you, know how much music is, in the. show and how many places diana's character goes just in terms of the composition of the | I think. she did a tremendous amount of work. Certainly having, seen the show you know how much music is in, the, show and how many places Diana's character goes just in terms of the composition of the | i think she did a tremendous amount of work. certainly having seen the show, you know how much music is in the show and how many places diana's character goes just in terms of the composition of the score. |
So I think that Alice had to really do a lot of work just to get the piece in her physically. And then on top of that, I think she did a lot of research, a lot of reading, you know, and she has said that she really took to this character right away, and it was something that she wanted to explore and bring out in herse... | so i think that alice had to really do a lot. of work just to get the piece in her physically and then on top of that i think she did a lot of research a lot of reading you know and she has said that she really took to this character right away and it was something that she wanted to explore and bring out in | So I think that Alice had to really do a lot of work just to get the piece. in her physically And then on top of that I think she did a lot of research a lot, of reading you know, and she has said that she really took to this character right away and it was something. that she wanted to explore. and bring out in | so i think that alice had to really do a lot of work just to get the piece in her physically. and then on top of that, i think she did a lot of research, a lot of reading, you know, and she has said that she really took to this character right away, and it was something that she wanted to explore and bring out in herse... |
One of the things I think has helped Alice tremendously, and certainly helps Tom and I in developing the show, is that people do want to tell us their stories. And so there is not only sort of an ability to really come into contact with many different people in different kinds of ways of having this illness in your lif... | one of the things i think has helped alice tremendously and. certainly helps tom and, i in developing the show is that people do want to tell us, their stories and so there is not, only sort of an ability to really come into contact with many different people in different kinds of ways of having this illness in your li... | One of the, things I think has helped Alice tremendously. and certainly helps Tom and I in developing the show is that people do want to tell us their stories And so there is not only sort of an ability to really come into contact with many different people, in different kinds of ways of having this illness in your lif... | one of the things i think has helped alice tremendously, and certainly helps tom and i in developing the show, is that people do want to tell us their stories. and so there is not only sort of an ability to really come into contact with many different people in different kinds of ways of having this illness in your lif... |
All right, we're going to take a break, come back and talk lots more with Brian Yorkey and Tom Kitt, who are a terrific writing team. Brian is the lyricist and librettist for "Next to Normal," and Tom is the composer. | all, right we're, going to take a break come back and talk; lots more with brian yorkey and. tom kitt who are. a terrific writing team brian is the lyricist and librettist for "next. to normal" and tom is the | All. right we're going to take a break come back and talk lots more with Brian Yorkey and Tom Kitt. who are a terrific writing, team, Brian is the lyricist and librettist for "Next to Normal" and Tom; is the | all right, we're going to take a break, come back and talk lots more with brian yorkey and tom kitt, who are a terrific writing team. brian is the lyricist and librettist for "next to normal," and tom is the composer. |
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You've probably already sort of addressed this question, but when I first heard this subject, what this was about, my husband was in this sort of this situation, had a family situation like this, and when I first heard the topic of the play, I was inclined to think, oh, I need to tell him about it. And then when I hear... | you've probably already sort of addressed this question; but when i first heard this subject, what this was about my, husband was in this sort of this situation had a family situation like this and when i first heard the topic of the play i, was inclined to think oh i need to tell, him about it and then when i, heard t... | You've probably; already sort of addressed this question but when I first heard this subject. what this was about my husband was in this sort of this situation had a; family situation like this and when I. first heard the, topic, of the play I was, inclined to think, oh; I need to tell him about it And then when I. hea... | you've probably already sort of addressed this question, but when i first heard this subject, what this was about, my husband was in this sort of this situation, had a family situation like this, and when i first heard the topic of the play, i was inclined to think, oh, i need to tell him about it. and then when i hear... |
Okay, good question. | okay, good, | Okay good | okay, good question. |
I think that - that is a good question, and I think that our experience has been, by and large, it's very therapeutic. I won't say that it's been easy for people who have bipolar or other mental illnesses in their lives to sit through it necessarily all the time. But our experience has been, and we've heard from so man... | i think. that - that is a good question. and i think, that our experience has been by and large, it's very therapeutic i won't say that it's been easy for people who have bipolar or other mental illnesses in their lives to sit through it necessarily all the time but our experience has been and we've heard. from so many... | I think that - that is a good question and I think that our, experience has been by, and large, it's very therapeutic I won't say that it's. been. easy for people who have bipolar or other mental, illnesses in their lives to sit through it necessarily all the time, But our experience has been and we've heard from so ma... | i think that - that is a good question, and i think that our experience has been, by and large, it's very therapeutic. i won't say that it's been easy for people who have bipolar or other mental illnesses in their lives to sit through it necessarily all the time. but our experience has been, and we've heard from so man... |
So I think that, by and large, people report that it's a very therapeutic experience. It's heavily emotional. It's not necessarily an easy one but definitely a worthwhile one. | so i think that by and large people. report that it's a very therapeutic experience it's. heavily emotional it's not necessarily an, easy one but definitely a worthwhile | So I think, that, by and large people report that it's a very. therapeutic experience It's heavily emotional It's not necessarily. an easy one but definitely a worthwhile | so i think that, by and large, people report that it's a very therapeutic experience. it's heavily emotional. it's not necessarily an easy one but definitely a worthwhile one. |
And the portrayal of the two doctors, Dr. Madden and Dr. Fine, by Louis Hobson, is so true of doctors. How did you get that doctor character down so well? I mean, he just played a perfect - did you talk to doctors who you knew? | and the portrayal of the two. doctors dr madden. and dr fine by louis hobson is so true of doctors how did you get that doctor character down so, well? i mean he; just played a perfect - did you talk to doctors, who you | And the portrayal of the two doctors Dr Madden and Dr Fine by Louis Hobson is so true of doctors How did you get that doctor character down so well? I mean he just played a perfect - did you talk to doctors, who you | and the portrayal of the two doctors, dr. madden and dr. fine, by louis hobson, is so true of doctors. how did you get that doctor character down so well? i mean, he just played a perfect - did you talk to doctors who you knew? |
We did. We certainly did. I mean, obviously, the lion's share of the credit has to go to Louis, who's fantastic, and also to Michael Greif, who guided him through it. But also, you know, we had a number of doctors, most prominently a psychiatrist by the name of Dr. Anthony Pietropinto and a psychologist by the name of ... | we. did we certainly did i mean. obviously the lion's share of the credit has to go to louis who's fantastic. and also to michael greif who guided, him through, it but also you know, we had a number of doctors most prominently a psychiatrist by the name of dr anthony, pietropinto and a psychologist by the name of dr na... | We did We certainly did. I mean obviously the lion's share, of; the. credit has to go to Louis who's fantastic and also to Michael Greif, who guided him through. it But also you know we had a number of doctors, most prominently a psychiatrist by the name of Dr Anthony Pietropinto, and. a psychologist by the name of Dr ... | we did. we certainly did. i mean, obviously, the lion's share of the credit has to go to louis, who's fantastic, and also to michael greif, who guided him through it. but also, you know, we had a number of doctors, most prominently a psychiatrist by the name of dr. anthony pietropinto and a psychologist by the name of ... |
Tom, is it true that your father-in-law is a doctor, is a therapist? | tom is it true that your father-in-law is a doctor is a, | Tom is it true that your, father-in-law is a doctor is a | tom, is it true that your father-in-law is a doctor, is a therapist? |
Yes, yes, my father-in-law, Anthony Pietropinto, he was very helpful. He read multiple drafts of the show. And some of the moments that really Brian and I were kind of stuck on, and he threw out some ideas, were very, very helpful. | yes yes my father-in-law anthony pietropinto he was very helpful he read multiple drafts of the show and some of the moments that really brian and. i were kind of stuck on and he threw out some ideas were very very | Yes. yes my father-in-law Anthony Pietropinto he was, very helpful He read multiple drafts of the show And some of the moments that really Brian and I were kind of, stuck on and he threw out some ideas were very very | yes, yes, my father-in-law, anthony pietropinto, he was very helpful. he read multiple drafts of the show. and some of the moments that really brian and i were kind of stuck on, and he threw out some ideas, were very, very helpful. |
1-800-989-8255. Stephen(ph) in Nottingham. Hi, Stephen. | 1-800-989-8255. stephen(ph) in nottingham hi | 1-800-989-8255. Stephen(ph) in Nottingham Hi | 1-800-989-8255. stephen(ph) in nottingham. hi, stephen. |
Hi. I'm actually a psychiatrist, and I saw - first of all, this is fascinating, and I agree that the connection between theater and movies and how people perceive mental health is incredibly critical. For example "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" set back ECT about a generation in terms of people being afraid of it. | hi i'm actually a psychiatrist and i saw - first of all this is. fascinating and i agree that, the connection between theater and movies and how people perceive mental health is incredibly critical for example "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" set back ect about. a, generation in terms of people being afraid. of | Hi I'm actually a, psychiatrist and I saw - first of all this is fascinating and I agree that the connection between theater and movies and how people perceive mental health is incredibly critical For example "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" set back ECT about a generation, in terms of people being afraid of | hi. i'm actually a psychiatrist, and i saw - first of all, this is fascinating, and i agree that the connection between theater and movies and how people perceive mental health is incredibly critical. for example "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" set back ect about a generation in terms of people being afraid of it. |
I find that there's two things going on. Number one is that medication is both over-prescribed and under-prescribed. And back to the dilemma of the play, the dilemma is that medication does make a difference. But at the same time, I think it always diminishes a person's ego when they take a medication, when they say, I... | i find that there's two things going. on number one is that medication, is both over-prescribed and under-prescribed and, back, to, the dilemma of. the play the. dilemma is that medication does make a difference, but at the same time i think it always diminishes a person's, ego when they take a medication when they say... | I find that there's two things going on Number one is that medication is both over-prescribed and under-prescribed, And back to the; dilemma of the play. the dilemma is that. medication; does make, a difference But at the same time I think it always diminishes a person's ego when they take a medication when they say I ... | i find that there's two things going on. number one is that medication is both over-prescribed and under-prescribed. and back to the dilemma of the play, the dilemma is that medication does make a difference. but at the same time, i think it always diminishes a person's ego when they take a medication, when they say, i... |
That's a good point. How much, as writers of the play, did you have to decide you were going to make medication the good guy or the bad guy here? | that's a good point how, much as writers of the play did you have to decide you were going to make medication the good guy or the bad guy | That's a good point How much as writers of the, play did you have, to decide you were going, to make. medication; the good guy or the bad guy | that's a good point. how much, as writers of the play, did you have to decide you were going to make medication the good guy or the bad guy here? |
That's an excellent question. You know, we went through many different sort of attempts at writing, for instance, one of the early numbers of the show, which is called "My Psychopharmacologist and I," because we very much wanted to write a woman who decided to go off her psychotropic drugs, which is a decision many peo... | that's an excellent question you know we went through; many different sort of attempts at writing for, instance one of the early numbers of the show which is called "my psychopharmacologist and; i" because we very much wanted to write a woman who decided to go off her psychotropic drugs. which. is a decision many peopl... | That's; an excellent. question You know we went through many different sort of attempts at writing for instance one of the early numbers of the show which, is called "My Psychopharmacologist and I" because we very much wanted to write a woman who decided to go off her psychotropic drugs which is a decision many. people... | that's an excellent question. you know, we went through many different sort of attempts at writing, for instance, one of the early numbers of the show, which is called "my psychopharmacologist and i," because we very much wanted to write a woman who decided to go off her psychotropic drugs, which is a decision many peo... |
And so it was a tough line to walk, and I think in this case, as in all others, we tried to have the show present both sides as clearly as possible and to make very clear that the choices being made were the choices of these specific characters in this story and not necessarily meant to be sort blanket statements in an... | and. so it was a; tough line to walk and i think in this case as in all others we tried to. have the, show present both sides as clearly as possible and to make very clear that the choices being made, were the choices, of these. specific characters in this story and not; necessarily meant to be sort blanket statements ... | And so it was a tough line to walk and I think in; this case as in all others we tried to have the show present both sides as clearly as possible and to make very clear that the choices being made, were the choices of these specific characters in this story, and not necessarily. meant. to, be sort, blanket statements i... | and so it was a tough line to walk, and i think in this case, as in all others, we tried to have the show present both sides as clearly as possible and to make very clear that the choices being made were the choices of these specific characters in this story and not necessarily meant to be sort blanket statements in an... |
1-800-989-8255. Melanie(ph) in Jordan, New York. Hi, Melanie. | 1-800-989-8255. melanie(ph) in jordan new york hi | 1-800-989-8255. Melanie(ph) in Jordan New York Hi | 1-800-989-8255. melanie(ph) in jordan, new york. hi, melanie. |
Hi. I just want to say I have bipolar, and I'm 17 years old. And it's just great to have a musical where a lead character is bipolar and how you can, like, relate to the person so much. Like, the drugs that the character is on, I have been on many of those drugs. And it's just amazing. I just want to thank you and just... | hi i just want to say i have bipolar and i'm 17 years. old and it's just great to have a musical, where a lead character is bipolar and how you can like relate to the person so. much like the drugs, that the character is on i, have been on many of those drugs and it's just amazing. i just want to thank you and just the... | Hi I just want to say I, have bipolar and I'm 17 years old And it's just great to have. a musical where a lead character is bipolar and how you can like relate to. the person. so much Like the drugs that the character is. on, I have been on many of those drugs And it's just amazing I just want to thank you and just the... | hi. i just want to say i have bipolar, and i'm 17 years old. and it's just great to have a musical where a lead character is bipolar and how you can, like, relate to the person so much. like, the drugs that the character is on, i have been on many of those drugs. and it's just amazing. i just want to thank you and just... |
All right. Have a good time. | all right have a good | All right, Have a good | all right. have a good time. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
So what kind of - have you gotten positive reaction from the medical community on this, or have they been a little lukewarm? | so what kind of - have you gotten positive reaction from the medical community on this or have they been a little | So what kind of - have, you gotten positive reaction from the medical community on this or have they been a little | so what kind of - have you gotten positive reaction from the medical community on this, or have they been a little lukewarm? |
It seems that - I mean, we had one evening where there were a number of doctors in the audience, and we had a talk-back afterwards. And the response was really positive, and I think that, you know, a lot of doctors have been like that second caller, who are glad that these issues are out, that some of that taboo is bei... | it seems that - i mean we had one evening where there were a number of doctors in the. audience and we had a talk-back afterwards and the, response was really positive and. i think that you know a lot of doctors have been like that second caller, who are glad that these issues are out that some of that taboo. is being ... | It seems that - I mean we had one. evening where, there were, a number of doctors; in the audience and we had a talk-back afterwards And; the response was really positive and I think that you know a lot of doctors have been like that second caller who are glad that these. issues are out that some of that, taboo. is bei... | it seems that - i mean, we had one evening where there were a number of doctors in the audience, and we had a talk-back afterwards. and the response was really positive, and i think that, you know, a lot of doctors have been like that second caller, who are glad that these issues are out, that some of that taboo is bei... |
And it's interesting that part of the conclusion of the play, and if you deal with people who have mental illness or in the mental health business as doctors in hospitals, this is a lifelong thing that goes on. This is not something… | and it's interesting that. part. of the conclusion of the play and if. you deal with people, who have mental illness or in the, mental health business as doctors in hospitals this is, a lifelong thing that goes on this is not | And it's interesting that part of the conclusion of the play and if you deal with people who have mental illness or in the, mental health business as doctors in hospitals this is a lifelong thing that goes on This is not | and it's interesting that part of the conclusion of the play, and if you deal with people who have mental illness or in the mental health business as doctors in hospitals, this is a lifelong thing that goes on. this is not something… |
Absolutely, yeah. | absolutely | Absolutely | absolutely, yeah. |
There is a national tour in the works. I'm not sure all the details, but right now, it's running on Broadway in New York, and I think the national tour is going to start in fall of 2010. | there is a national. tour in the works i'm not, sure all the details but right, now it's running on broadway in new, york and i think the, national tour is going to start in fall of | There is a national tour in the works I'm not sure all the details. but right now it's running on Broadway in New York and I think the national tour is going, to start in fall of | there is a national tour in the works. i'm not sure all the details, but right now, it's running on broadway in new york, and i think the national tour is going to start in fall of 2010. |
And is there an end to the run here that - or is this an open-ended run? | and is, there an end to the run here that - or is this an open-ended | And is there, an end to the run here that - or is, this an open-ended | and is there an end to the run here that - or is this an open-ended run? |
As long as people keep coming, it keeps running. | as long as people keep coming it keeps | As long; as. people keep coming it keeps | as long as people keep coming, it keeps running. |
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Well, from the - you know, it was standing room only when I went this week during a weekday. So do you… | well from the - you know. it was standing room. only when i went this week during a weekday so do | Well from. the - you know it was. standing room only when I went this week during a weekday So do | well, from the - you know, it was standing room only when i went this week during a weekday. so do you… |
It's been very well-received. We've been just surprised and delighted by the reception we've had. | it's been very well-received we've been just surprised and delighted, by the reception we've | It's been very, well-received We've been. just surprised and delighted by the reception we've | it's been very well-received. we've been just surprised and delighted by the reception we've had. |
And what I was surprised, when I first walked in, is that there must be people coming to see this two or three times because people were already applauding before the play started. | and what i was surprised when i first walked in is that there must be people coming to see this two or three times because people were already applauding before, the play; | And, what I was surprised when I, first walked in. is that there must be people coming. to see this two or three. times because people were already applauding before the play | and what i was surprised, when i first walked in, is that there must be people coming to see this two or three times because people were already applauding before the play started. |
Yes, there are a number of repeat viewers. And that was the case at Second Stage, when we were off-Broadway, as well. And I think certainly, a large part of that is the brilliant work of our design team, led by Michael Greif, because if you see the show more than once, you catch different things. | yes. there are. a number of repeat viewers and that was the case at, second stage when we were off-broadway as well and i think certainly. a, large part of that is the brilliant work of our design team led by michael greif because if you see the show more than once you catch different | Yes there are a number of repeat viewers And that was the case at Second Stage when we were, off-Broadway as. well And I think certainly a large part of that is the brilliant work of our design team, led by Michael Greif because if you see the, show. more than once, you catch different | yes, there are a number of repeat viewers. and that was the case at second stage, when we were off-broadway, as well. and i think certainly, a large part of that is the brilliant work of our design team, led by michael greif, because if you see the show more than once, you catch different things. |
There's all - it's so multi-layered in terms of the visual that seeing it again I think is a different experience, but I think also people get - like we've talked about, they're very into the subject matter and the emotions of the piece, and they want to experience it again. | there's all - it's so multi-layered in terms of the visual that seeing it again. i think is a different experience but i think also people get - like we've talked about they're very into the subject matter and the emotions of the piece and, they want to, experience it | There's all - it's so multi-layered in terms of the visual that seeing it again I, think is a different experience but I, think also people get - like we've talked about, they're very into the subject matter and the, emotions of the piece and they want to experience it | there's all - it's so multi-layered in terms of the visual that seeing it again i think is a different experience, but i think also people get - like we've talked about, they're very into the subject matter and the emotions of the piece, and they want to experience it again. |
Yeah, and I think there are a lot of people who, you know, can relate to this. I call it the hair-dryer moment, and my experience when I've talked a lot about medicine, especially mental health, people do not like to say anything in public about mental health until they happen to be getting their nails done or a hair d... | yeah and i think, there are, a lot of people who you know can relate to this i call it the hair-dryer moment, and, my experience when i've talked a lot about medicine especially mental health people, do. not like to say anything in public about mental health until they happen to be getting their nails done or. a hair d... | Yeah and I, think there are a, lot of people who you know can relate to this I; call it the, hair-dryer moment and my experience when, I've talked a lot about medicine especially mental health people; do not like to say anything in public about mental health until they happen. to be getting their, nails done, or a hair... | yeah, and i think there are a lot of people who, you know, can relate to this. i call it the hair-dryer moment, and my experience when i've talked a lot about medicine, especially mental health, people do not like to say anything in public about mental health until they happen to be getting their nails done or a hair d... |
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And then that person next to that other person says something, and you all realize that this is something that is more universal than you thought. | and. then that person. next to that other person says something and you all realize that this is something that is more universal than you | And then that person next. to that other person says something and you all realize, that this is something that is more universal than you | and then that person next to that other person says something, and you all realize that this is something that is more universal than you thought. |
Absolutely, and I think that, you know, this show is particularly about bipolar, but I think whatever the mental illness or dysfunction your family is struggling with, there is a lot that you find out is in common. | absolutely, and i think that you know this show is particularly about bipolar but i think whatever the mental illness, or dysfunction your family. is struggling. with there is a; lot that you find out is in. | Absolutely and I think, that you know this show is particularly about bipolar but I think whatever the mental illness or dysfunction your family is struggling with there, is a lot that you find out is in | absolutely, and i think that, you know, this show is particularly about bipolar, but i think whatever the mental illness or dysfunction your family is struggling with, there is a lot that you find out is in common. |
One last question before we have to go. Why did you make her a housewife? She says in one song: I ain't no Sylvia Plath. | one last question before we have to go why did you make her a housewife? she says in one song: i ain't no sylvia | One last question before we have. to go Why did you make her a housewife? She. says in one song: I ain't no Sylvia | one last question before we have to go. why did you make her a housewife? she says in one song: i ain't no sylvia plath. |
You know, early on, we had a number of people said, you know, you should make her a painter. You should make her outlandish and this and that. And I said, you know, this is a story about something that happens to many, many people, including many suburban mothers. And we wanted to make her a person from our lives and n... | you know early on. we; had, a number of people said you know you should make her a painter you should make her outlandish and, this and that, and i said you know this is a story about something that happens to many many people including, many suburban mothers and we wanted to make her. a person. from our lives and not ... | You know early on we had, a number of people said you know you should make her a, painter You should, make her. outlandish and this and that And I said you know, this, is a story about something that happens to many many people including. many suburban mothers And we wanted to, make her a. person from our lives and not... | you know, early on, we had a number of people said, you know, you should make her a painter. you should make her outlandish and this and that. and i said, you know, this is a story about something that happens to many, many people, including many suburban mothers. and we wanted to make her a person from our lives and n... |
Well, you certainly have succeeded in this play, and I wish you very good luck in its run and hope that other people around the country will get a chance to see it. Good luck to you. Thank you both for coming on to talk with us today. | well you certainly have succeeded in this play, and i wish you very good luck in its run and hope that other people around the country. will get a chance to see; it good luck, to you thank you both. for coming on, to talk with us. | Well you. certainly have succeeded in this play, and I wish you very good luck in its run and hope that other people around the. country will get a chance to see it Good. luck to you Thank you both for coming on to talk with us | well, you certainly have succeeded in this play, and i wish you very good luck in its run and hope that other people around the country will get a chance to see it. good luck to you. thank you both for coming on to talk with us today. |
Thank you so much, Ira. | thank you; so much | Thank you so much | thank you so much, ira. |
Thank you, a pleasure. | thank you a | Thank, you a | thank you, a pleasure. |
You're welcome. Tom Kitt and Brian Yorkey, the creators of "Next to Normal." | you're welcome tom kitt and brian yorkey the creators of "next to | You're welcome Tom Kitt and Brian Yorkey the creators of "Next to | you're welcome. tom kitt and brian yorkey, the creators of "next to normal." |
From NPR News, this is NEWS & NOTES. I'm Ed Gordon. | from npr news this is news & notes i'm ed | From. NPR News this is NEWS & NOTES I'm Ed | from npr news, this is news & notes. i'm ed gordon. |
After a slow stretch, the United States Army reached its active duty recruiting goals for the first two months of this summer, but the numbers suggest Army recruiting could still fall short for the year. Other branches of the Armed services are meeting or exceeding their monthly goals. In spite of... | after a slow stretch the united states army reached its active duty recruiting goals for the, first two months of this summer but the numbers, suggest army recruiting could still fall short, for the year other branches of the armed services, are meeting or exceeding their monthly, goals in spite o... | After a slow stretch the United, States Army reached its active duty recruiting goals for the, first two months of this summer but; the numbers suggest Army recruiting could still. fall. short for the year Other branches of the Armed services are meeting or. exceeding their, monthly goals In spite... | after a slow stretch, the united states army reached its active duty recruiting goals for the first two months of this summer, but the numbers suggest army recruiting could still fall short for the year. other branches of the armed services are meeting or exceeding their monthly goals. in spite of... |
If you watch television much, you'd have been hard-pressed lately to miss one of the US Army's recruiting commercials. | if you watch television. much you'd. have been hard-pressed lately, to miss one of the us army's recruiting | If you watch television much you'd have been hard-pressed lately to miss one of the US Army's recruiting | if you watch television much, you'd have been hard-pressed lately to miss one of the us army's recruiting commercials. |
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