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And my General Director, Jim Bryant(ph), the one who's run kids opera all these years, is taking the Puccini ending and composing his own Puccini ending. He happens to be a natural composer. So far, he's only composed hymns, but they're great hymns. | and my general director jim bryant(ph), the one who's run kids opera, all these years is taking the puccini ending and composing his own puccini ending. he happens to be a natural composer so far he's only composed hymns but they're great | And my General. Director Jim Bryant(ph), the one, who's, run kids opera all these years is taking the Puccini ending and composing his own Puccini ending He happens to be a natural composer So far, he's only composed hymns but they're great | and my general director, jim bryant(ph), the one who's run kids opera all these years, is taking the puccini ending and composing his own puccini ending. he happens to be a natural composer. so far, he's only composed hymns, but they're great hymns. |
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The orchestra swells right here. | the orchestra. swells right | The orchestra swells right | the orchestra swells right here. |
I went to see director Bryant at his little opera house behind Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream Store in Eastham, the next town to Wellfleet. He was onstage, trying out new endings for La Boheme. | i went to see director bryant at his little. opera house behind ben, and, jerry's ice cream. store in eastham the next town, to wellfleet he was onstage trying out new endings for la | I, went. to see director Bryant at his little opera. house behind Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream Store in Eastham the next town to Wellfleet. He was onstage trying, out new endings for La | i went to see director bryant at his little opera house behind ben and jerry's ice cream store in eastham, the next town to wellfleet. he was onstage, trying out new endings for la boheme. |
And gradually the orchestra swells to a nice, happy, positive ending. So it's very rough, still, but that's what we're working on at the moment. | and. gradually the. orchestra swells to a nice happy positive ending so it's very rough still but, that's what. we're working, on at the | And gradually the orchestra swells to a nice happy positive. ending So it's very rough still but that's. what we're working on at the | and gradually the orchestra swells to a nice, happy, positive ending. so it's very rough, still, but that's what we're working on at the moment. |
I asked Jim Bryant how he felt about the Positive Opera Company as a permanent addition to culture on Cape Cod. | i asked; jim bryant, how. he felt, about the positive. opera company as a permanent addition to culture on cape | I asked Jim Bryant how he felt about the Positive Opera Company as a permanent addition to, culture on Cape | i asked jim bryant how he felt about the positive opera company as a permanent addition to culture on cape cod. |
Well, I think it's quite a challenge. As you know, we've only produced children's opera up until now. So tackling some of the powerhouses of the grand opera world is really quite a daunting thing. But it's very invigorating at the same time. It's a very big challenge. But Hamilton has just been so wonderfully optimisti... | well i think it's, quite a challenge as you know we've only produced children's opera up until now; so tackling some of the powerhouses of the grand opera world is really quite a daunting thing but it's very. invigorating at, the same time it's a very big challenge but hamilton has just been so wonderfully, optimistic ... | Well I. think; it's quite, a. challenge As you know. we've only produced children's opera up until now. So tackling some of the powerhouses of the. grand; opera world is really quite a daunting; thing But it's very invigorating at, the same time It's a very big challenge But Hamilton has just been so wonderfully optimi... | well, i think it's quite a challenge. as you know, we've only produced children's opera up until now. so tackling some of the powerhouses of the grand opera world is really quite a daunting thing. but it's very invigorating at the same time. it's a very big challenge. but hamilton has just been so wonderfully optimisti... |
Jack Everett broke a bone in his lower back. The official diagnosis was a stress fracture because of overuse. Jack was all in with his beloved soccer. He joined a club team that practiced and played 11 months out of the year. | jack everett broke a bone in his lower back the. official diagnosis. was a stress fracture because, of overuse jack was all in with his beloved soccer he joined a, club team that practiced and played 11 months out, of the | Jack Everett broke a. bone in his, lower, back The official, diagnosis was a stress fracture because. of overuse Jack was all in with his beloved. soccer He joined a club team that practiced and played, 11 months out of the, | jack everett broke a bone in his lower back. the official diagnosis was a stress fracture because of overuse. jack was all in with his beloved soccer. he joined a club team that practiced and played 11 months out of the year. |
All right, appreciate it. | all right appreciate | All right appreciate | all right, appreciate it. |
Yeah, that's true, and I think part of my motivation for this is, you know, we all come to this world, and we're offered a few religious stories to choose from, and they're all extremely basic and too simple to really be meaningful. And one of the concepts that pervades all these stories is that you're either good or b... | yeah that's true and, i think part, of my, motivation for this is you know we all come, to. this world, and. we're offered a few religious stories to choose from and they're all extremely basic and too simple to really be meaningful and one of the concepts that pervades all these stories is that, you're either good or ... | Yeah that's true and I think part of my motivation for this is you, know we all come to this world and we're offered a few religious stories to choose from and they're all extremely basic and too simple to really be meaningful And one of the concepts that pervades all. these, stories is that you're either good or bad t... | yeah, that's true, and i think part of my motivation for this is, you know, we all come to this world, and we're offered a few religious stories to choose from, and they're all extremely basic and too simple to really be meaningful. and one of the concepts that pervades all these stories is that you're either good or b... |
All right. Well, the next story I want you to talk about is "Egalitaire." This is an afterlife where everyone is equal. And this one, I'd like you to read the end of that story. It's on page seven. | all right well the next story i want you to talk about is "egalitaire" this is an afterlife. where, everyone is equal and this one i'd like, you to read the end of that story it's on page | All right, Well the next story I want you to, talk about is "Egalitaire" This is an afterlife where everyone is equal And this one I'd like you, to read the end of that story It's on page; | all right. well, the next story i want you to talk about is "egalitaire." this is an afterlife where everyone is equal. and this one, i'd like you to read the end of that story. it's on page seven. |
OK, great. Just as a moment of introduction with that, it's that God comes to understand exactly this point I just made, that she can longer judge her humans as being good or bad because she realizes that people can simultaneously have many qualities of both. So, she decides to shut down... | ok great just as a moment of introduction with that it's that god comes to understand exactly this point i just made that she can longer judge her humans as being good or bad because she realizes that people can simultaneously have many qualities of, both, so, she decides to shut | OK great Just as a moment of introduction with that it's that God comes to understand exactly this point I just made that; she can longer judge her humans. as being. good or, bad, because she realizes that people; can simultaneously have many qualities of both So she decides to shut | ok, great. just as a moment of introduction with that, it's that god comes to understand exactly this point i just made, that she can longer judge her humans as being good or bad because she realizes that people can simultaneously have many qualities of both. so, she decides to shut down... |
And this is the result. This is the result. | and this is the result this is the | And this is the result. This is the | and this is the result. this is the result. |
This is the result. She shuts down Hell and brings everyone to Heaven. So, the last few lines are... | this is the result she shuts down hell and, brings everyone to heaven so the, last few lines, | This is the result She shuts, down Hell and brings everyone to Heaven So the last few lines | this is the result. she shuts down hell and brings everyone to heaven. so, the last few lines are... |
(Reading) The communists are baffled and irritated because they have finally achieved their perfect society where everyone is equal, but only by the help of a god in whom they don't want to believe. The meritocrats are abashed that they're stuck for eternity in an incentive-less system with a bunch of pinkos. The conse... | (reading) the communists are baffled and irritated because, they have, finally achieved their perfect, society where everyone is equal but only by the help of a god in whom they don't want. to believe the. meritocrats are abashed, that they're stuck for eternity in an incentive-less system with a bunch, of pinkos the, ... | (Reading) The, communists are baffled and irritated because they have finally achieved their perfect society where, everyone is equal but only by the help of a god, in whom they don't want, to believe The meritocrats are abashed that they're stuck, for eternity in an incentive-less system with a bunch of pinkos The con... | (reading) the communists are baffled and irritated because they have finally achieved their perfect society where everyone is equal, but only by the help of a god in whom they don't want to believe. the meritocrats are abashed that they're stuck for eternity in an incentive-less system with a bunch of pinkos. the conse... |
So, in this one, we know... | so in this one. we, | So in, this one we | so, in this one, we know... |
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Equality equals Hell. | equality equals; | Equality equals | equality equals hell. |
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Yes. | yes. | ||
And that idea where did that idea come from? What were you thinking of when you came up with this concept for an afterlife? | and that idea where did that idea come from? what were you thinking of when you came up with this concept for an | And that, idea where did that idea come from? What were you. thinking of when you came up with this concept for an. | and that idea where did that idea come from? what were you thinking of when you came up with this concept for an afterlife? |
This concept came from that idea I was just mentioning, where the whole idea of having a binary categorization for humans is so silly, and in one of the scenes in this story, she's listening to the prayers from both sides in a war, and she decides she can't make a decision who's right or wrong. | this concept came from that idea i was just mentioning where the whole idea of having a. binary categorization for humans is. so silly and in one of the scenes in this story she's listening to the prayers from both sides in. a war and she decides she can't make a. decision who's right or | This concept came from that idea I was just mentioning where the whole idea of having a binary categorization for. humans is so silly and in one of the scenes in this, story she's listening to the, prayers from both sides in. a war and she decides she can't make a decision who's right or | this concept came from that idea i was just mentioning, where the whole idea of having a binary categorization for humans is so silly, and in one of the scenes in this story, she's listening to the prayers from both sides in a war, and she decides she can't make a decision who's right or wrong. |
All right, let's read one more, and this one is "Microbe." Let's read the beginning of that. That's on page 54. | all, right let's read one more and this; one is "microbe" let's read the beginning of that that's; on page | All right let's read one more. and this. one is "Microbe" Let's read the beginning of that That's on page | all right, let's read one more, and this one is "microbe." let's read the beginning of that. that's on page 54. |
OK. | ok. | ||
(Reading) There is no afterlife for us. Our bodies decompose upon death, and then the teaming floods of microbes living inside us move on to better places. This may lead you to assume that God doesn't exist, but you'd be wrong; it's simply that he doesn't know we exist. He's unaware of us because we're at the wrong spa... | (reading) there is no; afterlife for us our bodies decompose upon. death and; then the teaming floods, of microbes living inside us move. on to better places this may lead you to assume. that, god doesn't exist but you'd be wrong it's simply that he doesn't know we exist. he's unaware of us because we're at the wrong. ... | (Reading) There is no afterlife for us Our. bodies decompose upon death and then the teaming. floods of microbes living inside us move, on, to better places This may lead you to assume that God doesn't exist but you'd. be wrong it's simply that he doesn't know we exist He's unaware, of us; because we're at the, wrong s... | (reading) there is no afterlife for us. our bodies decompose upon death, and then the teaming floods of microbes living inside us move on to better places. this may lead you to assume that god doesn't exist, but you'd be wrong; it's simply that he doesn't know we exist. he's unaware of us because we're at the wrong spa... |
All right, then. What I wanted to ask you about that one is, you know, that seems to be - it seems to be working off a kind of religious concept. I mean, there are a lot of religions that will talked about that, that we're one with God, but it's not really religious - I mean, in your version, God doesn't even know we e... | all right then what i wanted to ask you about that one is you. know that seems to be - it seems to be working off a. kind of religious concept i mean there are a lot of religions that will talked about that that we're one, with god but. it's not really religious - i mean in your version. god doesn't even know. we | All right then What I wanted to ask you about that one is you, know that seems to be - it seems to be working off a kind of religious concept I mean there are a lot. of religions, that will; talked about that that we're one with God but it's, not really religious - I mean in your. version God, doesn't even know we | all right, then. what i wanted to ask you about that one is, you know, that seems to be - it seems to be working off a kind of religious concept. i mean, there are a lot of religions that will talked about that, that we're one with god, but it's not really religious - i mean, in your version, god doesn't even know we e... |
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Right, that's the left turn that this story takes, is since God doesn't know we exist, as we pass microbes from our fingertips to a salt shaker and so on, these are statistical fluctuations that he can't understand. He can't understand why some of his congregants are disappearing and ending up in other places, and He d... | right that's the left turn that this. story takes is since god doesn't know we exist as we pass, microbes from our fingertips to a salt shaker and. so on these are statistical fluctuations that he can't; understand he can't understand why some of his congregants are disappearing and ending up in other places and he dec... | Right that's the left turn that this story takes is since God doesn't know we exist as we pass microbes from our, fingertips to a salt shaker and so on these are statistical fluctuations that, he can't understand He can't understand why some of his congregants; are disappearing and ending up in other places and He deci... | right, that's the left turn that this story takes, is since god doesn't know we exist, as we pass microbes from our fingertips to a salt shaker and so on, these are statistical fluctuations that he can't understand. he can't understand why some of his congregants are disappearing and ending up in other places, and he d... |
All right. Well, let me ask you, what got you started thinking about the afterlife and wanting to write about it like this in the first place? | all right well let me, ask you what. got you. started thinking about the, afterlife and wanting to write. about, it like this in the first | All right Well let me ask, you what got you started thinking. about the afterlife. and, wanting to, write about it like this in the first | all right. well, let me ask you, what got you started thinking about the afterlife and wanting to write about it like this in the first place? |
I've spent my life in science. I'm a scientist, and that's what I do. What's interesting to me is that the tools of science only extends so far, and then beyond that there are plenty of things we just don't know the answer to, and in our brief twinkling of a 21st-century lifetime, we probably won't know the answer to t... | i've spent my life, in science i'm a scientist and that's what i do what's interesting to me is, that the tools of science only extends so far and then beyond that there are plenty of things we just don't know the answer to and, in our. brief twinkling of a 21st-century lifetime we probably won't know the answer to the... | I've spent my life in science I'm a scientist and that's what I do, What's, interesting to me is that the. tools of, science only extends so far and then beyond, that there are plenty of things we just don't, know, the answer to and in our brief twinkling of a 21st-century lifetime we probably won't know the answer to ... | i've spent my life in science. i'm a scientist, and that's what i do. what's interesting to me is that the tools of science only extends so far, and then beyond that there are plenty of things we just don't know the answer to, and in our brief twinkling of a 21st-century lifetime, we probably won't know the answer to t... |
And I feel like what the scientific temperament teaches you is a certain tolerance for holding multiple hypotheses in your head at the same time. And so, I've always liked the idea of saying, I have no idea what this is all about; I've no idea what's next. And the point of this book is really not to make any serious pr... | and i feel like what the scientific temperament teaches you is a certain tolerance for holding multiple. hypotheses in your head at the same time and so i've always liked the idea, of, saying i have no idea what this is all about i've no idea. what's next and the point. of this book is really not to make any serious pr... | And I feel like what the scientific temperament teaches you is a certain tolerance for holding multiple hypotheses in your head at the same time And so, I've always liked the idea of saying I have no idea what this is all about I've no idea what's next And the point of this book is really not to make any. serious propo... | and i feel like what the scientific temperament teaches you is a certain tolerance for holding multiple hypotheses in your head at the same time. and so, i've always liked the idea of saying, i have no idea what this is all about; i've no idea what's next. and the point of this book is really not to make any serious pr... |
All right, I want to get our listeners involved now. Do you have a fixed view of the afterlife, or do you think the afterlife could be anything? Tell us your story. Our number here in Washington is 80-989-8255, and our email address is talk@npr.org. And you can join the conversation at our Web site, npr.org, and then c... | all right i want to get our listeners involved now do you, have a, fixed view of, the afterlife or do you think the afterlife could. be anything? tell, us your story our number here in washington is 80-989-8255, and our email address; is talk@npr.org, and you can join the conversation at our web site npr.org and then c... | All right I want to; get our listeners involved now Do you have a fixed view of the afterlife or do you think the afterlife could be anything? Tell us your story Our number here. in Washington is 80-989-8255, and our email address is talk@npr.org; And you can join the conversation at our Web site npr.org and then click... | all right, i want to get our listeners involved now. do you have a fixed view of the afterlife, or do you think the afterlife could be anything? tell us your story. our number here in washington is 80-989-8255, and our email address is talk@npr.org. and you can join the conversation at our web site, npr.org, and then c... |
All right, bye-bye. | all right | All right | all right, bye-bye. |
No. In some sense, they're all making fun of concepts that are embedded in religion, but I do want to say, it's not meant to be an anti-religious book. And so far, the religious groups that have read this have really loved it, and what they've said is, it stretches you mentally and spiritually, and I think that's sort ... | no in some sense they're all making, fun of concepts that are embedded in religion but i; do want to say it's not meant to be an anti-religious book and so far the religious groups that have read this have really loved it and what they've said is it stretches you mentally and spiritually and i think that's sort of the ... | No In some sense they're all making fun of concepts that are embedded in religion but I do want to say it's not meant; to be an anti-religious book And so far the religious groups that have read this have really loved it and what they've said is; it stretches you mentally and. spiritually and I. think, that's sort of t... | no. in some sense, they're all making fun of concepts that are embedded in religion, but i do want to say, it's not meant to be an anti-religious book. and so far, the religious groups that have read this have really loved it, and what they've said is, it stretches you mentally and spiritually, and i think that's sort ... |
Yeah. And I was wondering, too, as a scientist, you know, many scientists don't believe in God at all. You know, there's a sort of a strong atheist movement going on right now, particularly strong among scientists. But you do not partake of that. | yeah. and i was wondering too as. a scientist you, know many scientists don't believe in god at all you know there's a sort of a strong atheist. movement going on right now, particularly strong among scientists but you do not partake of | Yeah And I was wondering too as, a scientist you, know many scientists don't believe in God at all. You know there's a sort of a strong atheist movement, going on right. now particularly strong among scientists But you do not partake of | yeah. and i was wondering, too, as a scientist, you know, many scientists don't believe in god at all. you know, there's a sort of a strong atheist movement going on right now, particularly strong among scientists. but you do not partake of that. |
Well, it's an interesting - it depends on what we mean by that. So, I used to be an atheist when I was a teenager, probably like many teenagers. But I realized in retrospect, it was really - my drive for it was just getting people to try to think outside of what they had been taught. And what happened from spending a l... | well it's an interesting - it depends. on, what we. mean. by that so, i used to be an atheist when i was a teenager probably like many teenagers but, i, realized in retrospect it was really - my drive for it was. just getting people to try. to think outside of, what they had been taught and what, happened from spending... | Well it's an, interesting - it depends, on what we, mean by that. So I used to be, an atheist when I was a teenager probably like many teenagers But I realized in retrospect it was really - my drive for; it was just getting people to try. to. think outside of what they had been taught And. what happened from spending a... | well, it's an interesting - it depends on what we mean by that. so, i used to be an atheist when i was a teenager, probably like many teenagers. but i realized in retrospect, it was really - my drive for it was just getting people to try to think outside of what they had been taught. and what happened from spending a l... |
OK, what is a possibilian? | ok what is a | OK, what is a | ok, what is a possibilian? |
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A possibilian is somebody who is into the possibilities, who thinks that it's silly to commit to any particular story. And my colleagues, Dawkins and Dennett and Hitchens and Harris, have done a great job of going through and showing that it's pretty easy to poke holes in somebody's particular religious structure, and ... | a possibilian is somebody who is into the possibilities who thinks that it's silly to commit to, any particular story and my colleagues dawkins and dennett and hitchens, and harris, have done a great job of going through and showing that it's pretty easy to poke holes in somebody's particular religious structure and in... | A possibilian is somebody who is into the possibilities, who thinks that it's silly to commit to any particular. story And my colleagues Dawkins and Dennett and Hitchens. and Harris. have done a great job of going through and showing that it's pretty. easy. to poke, holes in somebody's particular religious structure an... | a possibilian is somebody who is into the possibilities, who thinks that it's silly to commit to any particular story. and my colleagues, dawkins and dennett and hitchens and harris, have done a great job of going through and showing that it's pretty easy to poke holes in somebody's particular religious structure, and ... |
Well, being a possibilian, is this a new kind of religion that you're creating for scientists who want to hold on to religion a little bit, maybe? | well being a possibilian is this a new kind of religion that you're creating for scientists who, want to hold on to religion a little. bit | Well. being a possibilian, is this a new kind of religion that you're creating for scientists who want. to, hold on to religion a little bit | well, being a possibilian, is this a new kind of religion that you're creating for scientists who want to hold on to religion a little bit, maybe? |
Yeah, it's a new movement I'm starting, and it hasn't... | yeah it's a new movement i'm starting and it | Yeah it's a new movement I'm starting and it | yeah, it's a new movement i'm starting, and it hasn't... |
Or hold onto God. | or hold onto | Or hold onto | or hold onto god. |
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It has a membership of one person so far, and - but I'm hoping to get more... | it has, a membership of one person so far and - but i'm hoping to get | It has a membership of one person so far. and - but I'm hoping to get | it has a membership of one person so far, and - but i'm hoping to get more... |
You're trying to start a movement. | you're trying to start a | You're, trying to start a | you're trying to start a movement. |
Yeah. I mean, the idea is it'll never catch on as a movement in actuality, right? Because what it seems a lot of people want is certainty. They want someone to tell them, this is the answer, and what "Sum" does is it writes 40 stories that are mutually exclusive. So, if you buy any one of them, you can't buy the others... | yeah i mean the idea; is it'll never catch on as a movement in, actuality right? because. what it seems a lot of people, want is certainty they want someone to tell them this is the answer and. what "sum" does is it writes 40 stories that are mutually exclusive so if you buy any one of them you can't buy the others and... | Yeah I mean the idea is it'll. never catch on as a movement in. actuality right? Because what it seems a lot of people want is certainty They want someone to, tell them this is the answer and what "Sum" does is it writes 40 stories that are mutually; exclusive So, if you buy any one of. them you can't buy. the others A... | yeah. i mean, the idea is it'll never catch on as a movement in actuality, right? because what it seems a lot of people want is certainty. they want someone to tell them, this is the answer, and what "sum" does is it writes 40 stories that are mutually exclusive. so, if you buy any one of them, you can't buy the others... |
All right, David, stay with us, and again, we're asking our listeners to join us. The number is 800-989-8255. What's your idea of an afterlife? David Eagleman is a professor of neuroscience at Baylor College of Medicine and the author of "Sum: Forty Tales from the Alternatives." We'll talk more with David Eagleman in a... | all right david stay with us and again we're asking our listeners, to join us the, number is; 800-989-8255. what's your idea of an, afterlife? david eagleman is a professor of neuroscience at baylor college of medicine and the author. of "sum: forty tales from the alternatives" we'll talk more with david eagleman in a ... | All; right David stay with us and, again we're asking our listeners to join us The number is 800-989-8255. What's your idea of an afterlife? David Eagleman is a professor of neuroscience at Baylor College of Medicine and the author. of "Sum: Forty. Tales from the Alternatives" We'll talk more, with David Eagleman in a ... | all right, david, stay with us, and again, we're asking our listeners to join us. the number is 800-989-8255. what's your idea of an afterlife? david eagleman is a professor of neuroscience at baylor college of medicine and the author of "sum: forty tales from the alternatives." we'll talk more with david eagleman in a... |
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This is Talk of the Nation. I'm Lynn Neary in Washington. We're talking with David Eagleman about his book, "Sum: Forty Tales from the Afterlives." Do you have a fixed view of the afterlife, or could it be anything? And does this idea of multiple afterlives appeal to you? Our phone number is 800-989-8255, and our email... | this is talk of, the, nation i'm lynn neary in washington we're talking. with david eagleman about his book "sum: forty tales from the afterlives" do you have a fixed view. of the afterlife or could it be anything? and does this idea of multiple afterlives appeal to you? our phone number is 800-989-8255, and our email ... | This is Talk of the Nation I'm Lynn Neary in Washington We're talking with David Eagleman about his book "Sum: Forty Tales from the Afterlives" Do you have a fixed view of the afterlife or could it be anything? And does this idea of multiple afterlives appeal to you? Our phone number is 800-989-8255, and our email addr... | this is talk of the nation. i'm lynn neary in washington. we're talking with david eagleman about his book, "sum: forty tales from the afterlives." do you have a fixed view of the afterlife, or could it be anything? and does this idea of multiple afterlives appeal to you? our phone number is 800-989-8255, and our email... |
Hello. Good morning - I mean, good afternoon. | hello good morning - i mean good | Hello Good morning - I mean good | hello. good morning - i mean, good afternoon. |
Go ahead. | go | Go | go ahead. |
Good afternoon. | good | Good | good afternoon. |
I think this book is a really - a good exercise for a lot of people, because I - me, for myself, I tend to be atheist, but I - in the end, I think the only reason that a religion or any belief is valid is because people believe it and that person believes it. And I think this is a way of telling - of helping people to ... | i think this book is a really - a. good exercise for a lot of people; because i - me for myself i tend to be atheist but i - in the end i think the only reason that a religion or any belief is valid is because people believe it and that person, believes it and i think this is a way of telling - of helping people to rea... | I think this book is a really - a good exercise for a lot of people because, I - me for myself; I tend to be atheist but I - in the end I think the only reason that a religion or, any belief is; valid is because people believe it and that person believes it And I think this is a way of telling - of helping people, to r... | i think this book is a really - a good exercise for a lot of people, because i - me, for myself, i tend to be atheist, but i - in the end, i think the only reason that a religion or any belief is valid is because people believe it and that person believes it. and i think this is a way of telling - of helping people to ... |
All right. Thanks for your call, Richard. Is that a part of what you're trying to get across here? | all right thanks for your call richard is that a part of what you're trying to, get across | All right Thanks for your call Richard Is that, a part. of, what you're trying to get across | all right. thanks for your call, richard. is that a part of what you're trying to get across here? |
Yes, that's exactly right, and I really appreciate that comment. Dawkins points this out in his book, "The God Delusion;" he points out how funny it is that people will believe their own religion so strongly, and when they look at someone else's, they think, oh, well, that's patently absurd that somebody could believe ... | yes that's exactly right and i. really appreciate that comment dawkins points this out in his book "the god delusion" he points out how funny. it. is that people, will believe their own religion so strongly and, when they look; at someone else's they think oh well, that's patently absurd that somebody could believe tha... | Yes that's exactly right and I really appreciate, that comment Dawkins points this out in his. book "The God, Delusion" he points. out how; funny it is that people will believe their own religion so. strongly and when they look at someone else's they; think oh well that's patently absurd that somebody could believe tha... | yes, that's exactly right, and i really appreciate that comment. dawkins points this out in his book, "the god delusion;" he points out how funny it is that people will believe their own religion so strongly, and when they look at someone else's, they think, oh, well, that's patently absurd that somebody could believe ... |
I'd like to ask you a little bit about the writing in this book because you have these different notions of what an afterlife is, and as you said, you don't really mean them to be that serious, but they're pretty interesting. In one, you know, God's not in charge of the afterlife; a committee is, a bureaucracy is. You ... | i'd, like to ask you a little bit about the writing in. this book because you have these different notions of what an afterlife is and as you said you don't really mean them to be. that serious but they're pretty. interesting, in one you know god's not in charge of the afterlife a committee is a bureaucracy is. you kno... | I'd like to ask you a little bit about the writing, in this book because, you have these. different notions of what. an afterlife is and as you said you don't really mean them; to be that serious but they're pretty interesting In one you know God's not in charge of the afterlife a committee is a bureaucracy is You know... | i'd like to ask you a little bit about the writing in this book because you have these different notions of what an afterlife is, and as you said, you don't really mean them to be that serious, but they're pretty interesting. in one, you know, god's not in charge of the afterlife; a committee is, a bureaucracy is. you ... |
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Good question. There are 40 stories and each of them sort of had its own genesis that came about a different way, but I just wanted - sometimes it was a way of addressing a particular concern, for example, what I mentioned earlier, about how Heaven and Hell are sort of silly in their categorization. But in other ways, ... | good question there are 40 stories and each of them sort, of had its own genesis that came about a different way but i just wanted - sometimes it was a way of addressing a particular concern for example what i mentioned earlier, about how heaven and. hell are sort of silly in their categorization but in other ways i wa... | Good, question There are 40 stories and each of them sort of had its own genesis that came about a different way but I just wanted - sometimes. it was a way of addressing a particular concern for example what I mentioned earlier about how Heaven and. Hell are. sort of silly in their categorization But in other ways I w... | good question. there are 40 stories and each of them sort of had its own genesis that came about a different way, but i just wanted - sometimes it was a way of addressing a particular concern, for example, what i mentioned earlier, about how heaven and hell are sort of silly in their categorization. but in other ways, ... |
All right, let's take a call from Michael. He's calling from Richmond, Indiana. | all right let's take a call from michael he's calling from richmond | All right let's take a call from Michael, He's calling from Richmond | all right, let's take a call from michael. he's calling from richmond, indiana. |
Good afternoon. How are you all doing today? | good afternoon how are you all, doing | Good afternoon How are you all doing | good afternoon. how are you all doing today? |
Doing very well. | doing very | Doing very | doing very well. |
Hello. | hello. | ||
Thanks for joining us. | thanks for. joining | Thanks for joining | thanks for joining us. |
Hey, I chanced on this discussion and was quite intrigued, wanted to posit a (unintelligible) - one of the foundations of all religions is that God is greater than our experience, and yet it seems like the author here is guilty of the position that he put in the story excerpted in "Microbe" of reducing this being great... | hey i chanced on this discussion and was quite intrigued wanted to posit a. (unintelligible) - one of the foundations of all religions is that god is greater than our experience and yet it seems like the author here is guilty of the position that he put, in. the story excerpted in "microbe" of reducing this being, grea... | Hey I, chanced on this discussion and was quite intrigued wanted to posit a; (unintelligible) - one of the foundations of. all religions is that God is greater. than our. experience and yet. it seems like the author here is guilty of the position that he, put in the story excerpted. in "Microbe" of reducing this being ... | hey, i chanced on this discussion and was quite intrigued, wanted to posit a (unintelligible) - one of the foundations of all religions is that god is greater than our experience, and yet it seems like the author here is guilty of the position that he put in the story excerpted in "microbe" of reducing this being great... |
It turns out that not all of the stories take on the point of view that He's less great. One of the stories is called "Giantess," and it turns out that we come to understand God as being essentially the cosmos, and there's a planet that tries to communicate with her by sending signals. We're essentially atoms in her bo... | it turns out, that not all of the stories take on the point of view that he's less great one of. the stories is called "giantess" and it turns, out that we come to understand; god as being essentially the cosmos and there's a planet that tries, to, communicate with her by sending signals we're, essentially atoms in her... | It, turns out that not all of the, stories, take on the point of view that He's less great One of the; stories is called "Giantess" and it turns out that. we come, to. understand God. as, being essentially the cosmos and there's a planet that tries to communicate with her by sending signals We're, essentially atoms in ... | it turns out that not all of the stories take on the point of view that he's less great. one of the stories is called "giantess," and it turns out that we come to understand god as being essentially the cosmos, and there's a planet that tries to communicate with her by sending signals. we're essentially atoms in her bo... |
Michael, I have to say, this is a book you've got to read to understand it. | michael i. have to say this is a book, you've got to read to understand | Michael I have to say this is a book you've. got to read to understand | michael, i have to say, this is a book you've got to read to understand it. |
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I guess. I guess, I - my question is, taking that infinite concept and just putting it into concepts that humans have experience with seems to be a limiting factor in the discussion of God, and you know... | i guess i guess i - my question is taking that infinite concept and just putting it into concepts that humans have experience with seems to be a limiting factor in the discussion of god and you | I guess I. guess I - my question is taking, that infinite concept and just putting it into concepts that humans have experience with seems to be a limiting factor in the, discussion of God and you | i guess. i guess, i - my question is, taking that infinite concept and just putting it into concepts that humans have experience with seems to be a limiting factor in the discussion of god, and you know... |
All right, that's interesting. That's a good point. Thank you for - let me hear you respond to that. That's an interesting point he's making, which is that you're limiting the possibility of God. I mean, you, who are saying everything is possible, are limiting the possibility of what God is. Is that - it seems to me wh... | all. right that's interesting. that's a good point, thank you for - let me hear, you respond to that that's an interesting point he's making, which is that you're limiting the possibility of god; i mean you who, are saying everything, is, possible are limiting the possibility. of what god is is that - it seems to me wh... | All right that's interesting That's a good point Thank you for - let me hear you respond to that That's an interesting point he's, making which is that you're limiting the possibility. of God, I mean you who are saying everything is, possible, are limiting the possibility of what God is Is that - it seems to me what Mi... | all right, that's interesting. that's a good point. thank you for - let me hear you respond to that. that's an interesting point he's making, which is that you're limiting the possibility of god. i mean, you, who are saying everything is possible, are limiting the possibility of what god is. is that - it seems to me wh... |
Well, maybe I'll need to write 40 more stories. But I think there's no limitations in this book. The idea is - I actually wrote 76 stories, and I narrowed it down to the 40 that gave a mental stretch in all of the optimal directions, so that in the end, you've really expanded the landscape of how to think about God and... | well maybe i'll need to write 40 more stories but i think there's no limitations in this book the idea is - i actually wrote 76 stories and i narrowed it down to the 40 that gave a mental stretch in all of. the optimal directions so that in the end you've really expanded the. landscape, of how to think about god and th... | Well maybe I'll need to write, 40 more stories But I think there's no, limitations in this. book The idea is - I actually wrote 76 stories; and I narrowed it down to. the 40 that. gave a. mental stretch in all of the. optimal directions so that in the end you've really expanded the landscape of how to think about. God ... | well, maybe i'll need to write 40 more stories. but i think there's no limitations in this book. the idea is - i actually wrote 76 stories, and i narrowed it down to the 40 that gave a mental stretch in all of the optimal directions, so that in the end, you've really expanded the landscape of how to think about god and... |
And none of these should bear... | and none of these should. | And none of these should | and none of these should bear... |
And also... | and | And | and also... |
None of these bear much relation to the stories you've grown up on, right? | none of these bear much relation to the stories you've. grown up on. | None of. these bear; much relation to the stories you've grown up on | none of these bear much relation to the stories you've grown up on, right? |
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I would have to say... | i, would have to | I would have to | i would have to say... |
Well, that's exactly - I mean, that's exactly the point, right? They're all - they take nuggets of what we grew up on and it stretches them in very different ways and explores, OK, well, what if that really did happen? What if you really did end up in Heaven with a toga and angels strumming harps? It would be awful. Yo... | well that's exactly - i mean that's exactly the, point right? they're all - they take nuggets of what we grew up on and it stretches, them in very different ways and explores ok well what if that really did happen? what if you really did end up in heaven with a toga and angels strumming harps? it would be awful you'd, ... | Well; that's exactly, - I mean, that's exactly the, point right? They're all - they take nuggets of what, we grew, up on, and it stretches them in very different ways and explores OK well what if that really did happen? What if you really did end up in Heaven with a toga and angels strumming harps? It would. be awful Y... | well, that's exactly - i mean, that's exactly the point, right? they're all - they take nuggets of what we grew up on and it stretches them in very different ways and explores, ok, well, what if that really did happen? what if you really did end up in heaven with a toga and angels strumming harps? it would be awful. yo... |
All right, let's take a call now from John. He's calling from Wilmington, North Carolina. Hi, John. | all right let's take a, call now from john he's calling from wilmington north carolina hi | All right let's take a. call now from, John He's calling from; Wilmington North Carolina Hi | all right, let's take a call now from john. he's calling from wilmington, north carolina. hi, john. |
Hey, how is it going? | hey how is it, | Hey how is. it | hey, how is it going? |
Good, thanks. | good | Good | good, thanks. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
Hey, I just wanted to say this is an amazing conversation. I feel like I'm at home here. | hey i just wanted to, say this is an amazing conversation i feel like i'm at home | Hey I just wanted to say this is an amazing conversation I feel like. I'm at, home | hey, i just wanted to say this is an amazing conversation. i feel like i'm at home here. |
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I've had this feeling for a long time that it's very important to question your life and question things around you, not just take things for face value, and it's just really refreshing to hear this, and that's just pretty much what I wanted to say. | i've had this feeling for a long time that it's very important to question your life and question things around. you; not just take things for face value and it's just, really refreshing to hear this and that's just pretty much what i wanted to | I've had this feeling for a long time that it's very important; to question your life and question things around; you not just take things, for, face value and it's just, really. refreshing to hear this and that's just pretty much what I wanted to | i've had this feeling for a long time that it's very important to question your life and question things around you, not just take things for face value, and it's just really refreshing to hear this, and that's just pretty much what i wanted to say. |
All right. OK, so... | all right ok | All right, OK | all right. ok, so... |
Thank you, John. | thank. you. | Thank you | thank you, john. |
You are... | you | You | you are... |
Much appreciated. | much | Much | much appreciated. |
All right, David, you're starting a movement after all, it looks like. | all right david, you're starting a movement; after all it looks | All right David you're starting a movement after all, it looks, | all right, david, you're starting a movement after all, it looks like. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
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Yeah. It just doubled membership. | yeah. it just doubled | Yeah It just doubled | yeah. it just doubled membership. |
OK. Let's go to Kelly. She's calling from Lake City, Florida. Hi, Kelly. | ok let's go to kelly she's calling from lake city florida hi | OK Let's go to Kelly She's, calling from Lake City, Florida Hi | ok. let's go to kelly. she's calling from lake city, florida. hi, kelly. |
Good afternoon. | good | Good | good afternoon. |
Good afternoon. | good, | Good | good afternoon. |
And you know, I'm really intrigued by this as well, and I appreciate - I really have to go out and get this book. But you know, I look at - and the afterlife for me as a Christian is - who is a little bit set up with religion nowadays - is that life is really a series of questions and how we answer those questions on w... | and you know, i'm really intrigued by this as well and i, appreciate - i really have, to go out and get, this book but you know i. look at - and, the afterlife for me as a christian is - who is a little bit set up with religion nowadays - is that life is really a series of questions and how we answer those questions; o... | And you, know I'm really intrigued by this as well. and I appreciate - I really have. to go out and get, this book But you know I look at - and the afterlife for me as a Christian is - who is. a little. bit set up. with religion nowadays - is that life is really a series, of questions and how we answer those questions ... | and you know, i'm really intrigued by this as well, and i appreciate - i really have to go out and get this book. but you know, i look at - and the afterlife for me as a christian is - who is a little bit set up with religion nowadays - is that life is really a series of questions and how we answer those questions on w... |
Yeah. Thanks so much for you call, Kelly. | yeah thanks so much for you call | Yeah Thanks; so much for you call, | yeah. thanks so much for you call, kelly. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Interesting point. | interesting | Interesting | interesting point. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
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