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Well, I think there will be. Actually, the president actually has even supported that in the past, in last year's State of the Union message. This fund that the new legislation that passed the House yesterday is designed to create would be targeted for that. And the government actually has poured a lot of money into so...	well i. think there. will be, actually the president, actually has even supported that in the past in last year's state of the union message this fund. that the new legislation that passed the house yesterday is designed to create, would be targeted for that and the government actually has poured a lot of money into so...	Well I think there will be Actually, the president actually has even supported that, in the. past in, last year's State of the Union message This fund that the. new legislation that passed the, House. yesterday is designed to create, would be targeted for that And the government actually has poured a lot of money into ...	well, i think there will be. actually, the president actually has even supported that in the past, in last year's state of the union message. this fund that the new legislation that passed the house yesterday is designed to create would be targeted for that. and the government actually has poured a lot of money into so...
I think that will be increased. I think again, the bigger problem has not been the research, although we certainly need more funding in that, it's that there hasn't been a concomitant effort to create incentives, sufficient incentives for people to actually buy these things.	i think that will be increased i think again the bigger problem has not been the research, although we. certainly need more funding in that it's that there. hasn't been a. concomitant effort; to create incentives sufficient incentives for people to actually buy these	I think that will. be increased I think again the bigger problem has not been the research although we. certainly need more funding in that it's that there hasn't been a concomitant effort to, create incentives sufficient incentives for people to actually buy these	i think that will be increased. i think again, the bigger problem has not been the research, although we certainly need more funding in that, it's that there hasn't been a concomitant effort to create incentives, sufficient incentives for people to actually buy these things.
Well, you know, we've had farmers - we've done a lot of shows on wind energy, for example. We've had farmers who are being paid $3,000 to $5,000 per wind turbine on their farm, making more money as farmers farming the wind than farming their cows or the wheat that may be growing around.	well you know we've had farmers - we've done a lot of shows on wind energy for example we've had farmers who are being paid $3,000 to $5,000 per wind turbine on their farm making more money as farmers farming. the wind than farming their cows, or the wheat that may be growing	Well you. know we've had farmers - we've done a lot of shows on wind. energy for example We've had farmers who are being paid $3,000 to $5,000 per wind, turbine on their farm making more money as farmers farming the wind, than farming their cows or the wheat that may be growing.	well, you know, we've had farmers - we've done a lot of shows on wind energy, for example. we've had farmers who are being paid $3,000 to $5,000 per wind turbine on their farm, making more money as farmers farming the wind than farming their cows or the wheat that may be growing around.
Right. There's a number of those in upstate New York.	right there's a number of those in upstate new	Right There's a, number of. those in upstate New	right. there's a number of those in upstate new york.
And they're multiplying. I mean upstate New York - Kansas, I'm talking about, Oklahoma, Texas, upstate New York absolutely. And they tell us we could put many more of these up, and we would love to, and the utilities would like us to. We just can't get to the grid from where we are. You have to be within five to 10 mil...	and they're multiplying i mean upstate new; york; - kansas i'm talking about oklahoma, texas upstate new, york absolutely and they tell us we could put many more of these up and we would love to and the utilities would like us to we just can't get to the grid from where we are you have to be within five to 10 miles, of...	And they're multiplying I mean upstate New York - Kansas I'm talking about Oklahoma Texas upstate New York absolutely And. they tell us we, could put many more of these up and we would love to and the utilities would. like us, to We just can't get to the grid from where, we are You have to be within five to 10 miles of...	and they're multiplying. i mean upstate new york - kansas, i'm talking about, oklahoma, texas, upstate new york absolutely. and they tell us we could put many more of these up, and we would love to, and the utilities would like us to. we just can't get to the grid from where we are. you have to be within five to 10 mil...
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And hopefully, you know, this committee again that the speaker's setting up and also just the general thrust of attention in both the House and the Senate will look at some of these problems and not just at - beyond just looking at a global cap-and-trade system for carbon dioxide and beyond the ideological debates that...	and hopefully you know this committee again that. the speaker's setting up and also just the general thrust of. attention in both the house and the senate will look at some of these problems and not, just at - beyond just looking at a global. cap-and-trade system for; carbon dioxide, and beyond the ideological debates ...	And hopefully you know this, committee again that the speaker's setting up and. also. just the general thrust of attention in both the. House and the Senate will look, at some of these problems and not just at - beyond just, looking at a global. cap-and-trade system for carbon dioxide and beyond the ideological, debate...	and hopefully, you know, this committee again that the speaker's setting up and also just the general thrust of attention in both the house and the senate will look at some of these problems and not just at - beyond just looking at a global cap-and-trade system for carbon dioxide and beyond the ideological debates that...
And hopefully, that will focus more of the public attention as well, and media attention. Energy legislation has traditionally been one of the most under-covered issues there is, and yet the entire economy rests on it.	and hopefully that will focus more of the, public attention as well and. media, attention energy legislation has traditionally been one of the most under-covered issues there is and yet the entire; economy rests on	And hopefully, that will focus more of the public, attention as well and media attention Energy legislation, has traditionally been one of the most under-covered issues there is and yet the, entire economy rests. on	and hopefully, that will focus more of the public attention as well, and media attention. energy legislation has traditionally been one of the most under-covered issues there is, and yet the entire economy rests on it.
Even the Department of Energy recently said that in just three states, I think it was - I don't remember. I think Kansas, Texas and North Dakota. Those three states have enough potential wind energy to fuel, to power the whole country.	even the department of energy recently said that in just three states i think it, was - i don't remember i think kansas texas and north dakota those three states have enough potential wind energy to, fuel to power the whole	Even the Department of Energy recently said that in just three. states I think it was - I don't remember I think Kansas Texas, and North Dakota Those three states have enough potential wind energy to fuel to power the whole	even the department of energy recently said that in just three states, i think it was - i don't remember. i think kansas, texas and north dakota. those three states have enough potential wind energy to fuel, to power the whole country.
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Electrical demand.	electrical	Electrical	electrical demand.
And there are - again, there are policy tools that would focus people's attention more on this, such as renewable portfolio standard, which requires, you know, a certain percentage of electricity to be generated from alternative sources. If those kinds of requirements started being imposed, then that focuses people's a...	and there are - again there are policy, tools, that would focus people's attention. more on this such as renewable portfolio standard which requires you know a, certain percentage of electricity to be, generated from alternative sources if those kinds of requirements started being imposed then that focuses; people's at...	And, there are - again there are policy tools, that would focus. people's attention more on this such as renewable portfolio standard which requires you. know a certain percentage of electricity to, be. generated from alternative sources If those kinds of requirements started being imposed then that focuses people's at...	and there are - again, there are policy tools that would focus people's attention more on this, such as renewable portfolio standard, which requires, you know, a certain percentage of electricity to be generated from alternative sources. if those kinds of requirements started being imposed, then that focuses people's a...
Unfortunately again, the energy debate has been not very focused on solving real problems on the ground and much more on scoring ideological points.	unfortunately again. the energy debate has been not very focused on solving real problems on the ground and much more on scoring, ideological	Unfortunately again the energy debate has been not very focused on solving real problems on, the ground and, much more on scoring ideological	unfortunately again, the energy debate has been not very focused on solving real problems on the ground and much more on scoring ideological points.
Talking with David Goldston this hour on TALK OF THE NATION: SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR News.	talking with, david goldston this hour on talk; of the nation: science, friday from npr	Talking with David Goldston this hour on TALK OF THE NATION: SCIENCE FRIDAY from, NPR.	talking with david goldston this hour on talk of the nation: science friday from npr news.
You've spent, what, six years on the Hill?	you've spent what six years on the	You've spent what six years on the	you've spent, what, six years on the hill?
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As chief of staff on the House Committee on Science. Can you tell us about the new incoming House chairman or the committee chairman, or how he might look at science as compared to Sherwood Boehlert, your old boss?	as chief; of staff on the house committee on, science can you tell, us about the new incoming house; chairman or, the committee chairman or how he might look at science as. compared to sherwood boehlert your old	As chief of staff on the House Committee on Science Can you tell us about the new; incoming House chairman or the. committee chairman or how he might look at. science as compared to Sherwood Boehlert your old.	as chief of staff on the house committee on science. can you tell us about the new incoming house chairman or the committee chairman, or how he might look at science as compared to sherwood boehlert, your old boss?
Sure. The new chairman is Bart Gordon from Tennessee. He's a fairly centrist Democrat. He's been on the committee for years. He's someone who likes to have an activist agenda, and he has stated very publicly that he is going to try to sort of follow in the footsteps of Mr. Boehlert in terms of trying to run the committ...	sure the new chairman, is bart gordon from tennessee he's a fairly centrist democrat he's been on the committee for years he's someone who likes to have, an activist agenda and he has stated, very publicly that he is going to try to sort of follow in the. footsteps of mr boehlert in terms of trying to; run the. committ...	Sure The new chairman is Bart Gordon. from Tennessee He's a, fairly centrist Democrat He's been on the committee for years He's someone who likes to have an activist agenda and he has stated very publicly that he, is going to try to sort of follow in. the footsteps of Mr Boehlert in terms of trying to run the committee...	sure. the new chairman is bart gordon from tennessee. he's a fairly centrist democrat. he's been on the committee for years. he's someone who likes to have an activist agenda, and he has stated very publicly that he is going to try to sort of follow in the footsteps of mr. boehlert in terms of trying to run the committ...
So I'm very optimistic about what the committee is trying to do. I mean they definitely have a focus on these energy issues. Mr. Gordon's introduced a couple of bills on energy and he's also been very active in pushing the idea of having a new agency within the Department of Energy that would specifically try to look a...	so i'm very optimistic about what the committee is trying to do i mean they definitely have a focus on these energy issues mr gordon's introduced a couple of bills, on energy and; he's also been very active, in. pushing. the idea of having a new agency within the; department of energy that would specifically try to loo...	So I'm very optimistic about what the committee is trying to do I mean they definitely have a focus on these energy issues Mr, Gordon's; introduced a couple of bills on energy and he's also been very active in pushing; the idea of having a new, agency; within the Department, of Energy that would specifically try, to. l...	so i'm very optimistic about what the committee is trying to do. i mean they definitely have a focus on these energy issues. mr. gordon's introduced a couple of bills on energy and he's also been very active in pushing the idea of having a new agency within the department of energy that would specifically try to look a...
Where do you think the first changes will come in - as you say, the cap - sorry, capping the CO2 is a long-term. It could take years for that. Where might we see the first real changes happening? Might they be in the CAFE standards, although that's…?	where do. you think the first changes will come; in - as you say the cap, - sorry capping the. co2 is a long-term it could take years for that where might we see the first real changes happening? might they be in the, cafe, standards although	Where do you think the first changes will come in - as you say the cap - sorry capping the CO2 is a long-term It could take years. for that Where might, we see the first real changes happening? Might, they be in the, CAFE standards although	where do you think the first changes will come in - as you say, the cap - sorry, capping the co2 is a long-term. it could take years for that. where might we see the first real changes happening? might they be in the cafe standards, although that's…?
I think some of the easier ones that might come first might be more on the tax-incentive side, although it's a little early to know. I mean I think the folks who are actually doing this work haven't fully figured out the agenda yet. But tax incentives tend to be easier to write. The problem is you have to find out - fi...	i think some, of the easier ones that might come first might be more on the tax-incentive side. although it's a little early to know i mean i think. the folks who are actually doing this work haven't, fully figured out the agenda yet but tax incentives tend to be easier to write the problem is you have to find out - fi...	I think some of the easier ones that might come first. might; be more on the tax-incentive, side although it's a little early to know. I mean I think the; folks, who are actually doing this work haven't fully figured out the, agenda; yet But tax. incentives; tend to be easier to write The problem. is you have to, find,...	i think some of the easier ones that might come first might be more on the tax-incentive side, although it's a little early to know. i mean i think the folks who are actually doing this work haven't fully figured out the agenda yet. but tax incentives tend to be easier to write. the problem is you have to find out - fi...
I think the fuel-economy-standard debate is also one that seems to be changing 180-degrees. I mean, again, it was very hard to get debate even on the floor. Mr. Boehlert managed, along with Mr. Markey, to get their bill debated as an amendment several times. In the Senate, there was much less debate on fuel-economy sta...	i think the fuel-economy-standard debate is. also one that seems to be changing 180-degrees i mean again. it was very hard to get debate even on the floor mr boehlert managed along with mr markey to get their bill debated as an amendment several times in the senate there was much less debate on fuel-economy standards a...	I think the fuel-economy-standard debate is also one that seems to be changing 180-degrees I mean again it was very hard to get debate even on the floor Mr Boehlert managed along with Mr Markey to get their bill debated as an amendment several times In the, Senate there was much less debate on fuel-economy standards An...	i think the fuel-economy-standard debate is also one that seems to be changing 180-degrees. i mean, again, it was very hard to get debate even on the floor. mr. boehlert managed, along with mr. markey, to get their bill debated as an amendment several times. in the senate, there was much less debate on fuel-economy sta...
So I think that issue is up for grabs again, which is important because the transportation sector is really one of the few sectors of the economy that's less energy efficient than it was 30 years ago.	so i think that issue. is up for grabs again which is important because; the transportation sector is really one of the few sectors of the. economy that's less energy efficient than it was 30 years	So I think that issue is up for grabs again which is important because the transportation sector is really one of the few sectors of the economy that's less energy, efficient than it was 30 years	so i think that issue is up for grabs again, which is important because the transportation sector is really one of the few sectors of the economy that's less energy efficient than it was 30 years ago.
Do you think that this can actually become a political issue in the next election, two years from now?	do you think, that this can actually become. a political issue in the next election two years. from	Do you think that this can actually become a political issue in the next election two years from	do you think that this can actually become a political issue in the next election, two years from now?
I think it can. I mean I think the way that both bodies in Congress are looking at it, and supposedly the president is going to be talking about this in the State of the Union message as he did last year, indicates that people think that the public is worried about climate change and about energy issues in general.	i think it can i mean i think the way that both bodies, in, congress are looking at it and supposedly the. president is, going to be talking about this in the state of the union message as he did last year indicates, that people think that the public, is, worried about climate. change. and about energy issues in	I think it can I mean I think the way that both bodies in Congress are looking at it and supposedly the president. is going to be talking about this in. the State. of the Union message as he, did last year indicates that people think that the public is worried about, climate change and about energy issues in	i think it can. i mean i think the way that both bodies in congress are looking at it, and supposedly the president is going to be talking about this in the state of the union message as he did last year, indicates that people think that the public is worried about climate change and about energy issues in general.
The problem is so far most of the political effort has been focused on rhetoric and to try to actually talk tough so as to distract from the fact that not much was really happening.	the problem is so far, most of the political effort has been focused on rhetoric and to try to actually talk tough so; as to distract from the fact that not much was, really	The problem, is so far most of the political effort has been focused on rhetoric and to, try to actually talk. tough so as, to distract from the fact that not much was really	the problem is so far most of the political effort has been focused on rhetoric and to try to actually talk tough so as to distract from the fact that not much was really happening.
What's different now is it looks like there may be some real efforts to make real changes in things like fuel-economy standards, renewable portfolio standards and gradually moving toward a cap on carbon-dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gas emissions.	what's, different now is, it looks like there may be some real efforts to make real changes in things like, fuel-economy standards renewable portfolio standards and gradually moving toward a, cap on carbon-dioxide emissions and, other greenhouse gas	What's different now is it looks like there. may be some real efforts to make real changes in things like fuel-economy, standards renewable portfolio standards and gradually moving toward a cap on carbon-dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gas	what's different now is it looks like there may be some real efforts to make real changes in things like fuel-economy standards, renewable portfolio standards and gradually moving toward a cap on carbon-dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gas emissions.
Well, we'll keep watching, as you will, David. Thank you for taking time to join us.	well we'll keep watching as you will david thank you for taking time to. join	Well we'll. keep watching as you will David Thank you for taking time to join,	well, we'll keep watching, as you will, david. thank you for taking time to join us.
Good to talk to you, Ira.	good to talk to you	Good. to talk. to you	good to talk to you, ira.
David Goldston was chief of the staff of the House Committee on Science from 2001 to 2006. He is now scholar in residence at the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton University in New Jersey.	david goldston was chief of the staff of the house committee on science from 2001 to 2006. he is now scholar in residence at the. woodrow wilson, school at princeton, university in new	David Goldston was chief of, the staff of the House Committee on Science from 2001 to 2006. He is now scholar in residence at the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton University in New	david goldston was chief of the staff of the house committee on science from 2001 to 2006. he is now scholar in residence at the woodrow wilson school at princeton university in new jersey.
This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Lynn Neary in Washington, sitting in for Neal Conan.	this is talk of the nation, i'm lynn neary in washington sitting in for, neal.	This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Lynn. Neary in Washington sitting in for Neal	this is talk of the nation. i'm lynn neary in washington, sitting in for neal conan.
We were able to map out the face-to-face interactions that thousands of people had across 32 years.	we were able to map out, the face-to-face interactions that thousands of people had across	We were able to map out the face-to-face interactions that thousands of people had, across	we were able to map out the face-to-face interactions that thousands of people had across 32 years.
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The regime continue to attack in Aleppo, by barrel bombs; continue to punish Syrian people, by starvations. Therefore, there is - they have some concerns about this. We will be doing everything possible to stop these massacres and crimes against humanity.	the regime continue to attack in aleppo by barrel bombs continue to punish syrian people by starvations therefore there is, - they have some concerns about. this we will. be doing everything possible to stop these massacres and crimes against	The regime continue to. attack in Aleppo by barrel bombs continue to punish Syrian people by starvations Therefore there is - they, have some concerns about this We will. be doing everything possible to stop these massacres and crimes against	the regime continue to attack in aleppo, by barrel bombs; continue to punish syrian people, by starvations. therefore, there is - they have some concerns about this. we will be doing everything possible to stop these massacres and crimes against humanity.
It's not clear yet whether those assurances - heard many times before - will convince the Syrian opposition to attend peace talks, or if negotiations can really succeed. Secretary Kerry is urging observers not to be too cynical, and give these talks some time.	it's not clear. yet whether those assurances - heard, many times before - will convince the syrian opposition to, attend peace talks or if negotiations can really succeed secretary kerry is urging observers not to be too cynical and give these talks some	It's, not clear yet whether those assurances - heard many times before. - will convince the Syrian opposition to attend peace talks or if negotiations; can really succeed, Secretary Kerry is urging observers not to be too cynical and give. these talks some	it's not clear yet whether those assurances - heard many times before - will convince the syrian opposition to attend peace talks, or if negotiations can really succeed. secretary kerry is urging observers not to be too cynical, and give these talks some time.
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All-day domesticity is no life for a former CIA assassin. Luckily for Kate, though, her life is about to take a dangerous turn. Author Chris Pavone - that's his voice you just heard - set his new thriller, "The Expats," in Luxembourg, where Kate has relocated with her banker husband. And when Kate meets another overly ...	all-day domesticity is no life, for, a former cia assassin luckily for kate though her life is about to take a dangerous turn, author chris pavone - that's his voice you just heard - set his new thriller "the expats" in luxembourg where. kate has relocated with, her banker husband, and when kate meets, another overly f...	All-day domesticity is no, life for a former CIA assassin Luckily. for Kate though her life is about to take a, dangerous turn Author Chris Pavone - that's his voice you just heard - set his new. thriller "The Expats" in Luxembourg where Kate. has relocated with. her banker husband, And when Kate meets another overly f...	all-day domesticity is no life for a former cia assassin. luckily for kate, though, her life is about to take a dangerous turn. author chris pavone - that's his voice you just heard - set his new thriller, "the expats," in luxembourg, where kate has relocated with her banker husband. and when kate meets another overly ...