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And I'm Melissa Block. Louisiana Congressman William Jefferson has been all over the news lately. The FBI alleges the Louisiana Democrat took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes, even hiding some of the cash in his freezer. The subsequent search of Jefferson's congressional office has touched off another controv... | and i'm melissa block. louisiana congressman william jefferson has been all over the, news lately the fbi alleges. the louisiana democrat took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes, even hiding some of the cash in his. freezer the subsequent search of jefferson's congressional office has touched off another contro... | And, I'm Melissa Block Louisiana. Congressman William; Jefferson has been all over the news lately The FBI alleges the Louisiana Democrat took. hundreds, of thousands of dollars in bribes even hiding some of the cash in, his freezer; The subsequent search of, Jefferson's congressional office has touched off, another co... | and i'm melissa block. louisiana congressman william jefferson has been all over the news lately. the fbi alleges the louisiana democrat took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes, even hiding some of the cash in his freezer. the subsequent search of jefferson's congressional office has touched off another controv... |
...and they tend to be in places like Wisconsin, the state I'm in now, Pennsylvania, other more rural states, Great Plains, Great Plains and such, and there's a very strong relationship between hunting and rural life. | ...and they tend, to be in places like wisconsin the state i'm in now pennsylvania other. more. rural states. great plains great plains and such, and there's a very strong relationship between hunting. and rural | ...and they tend. to be in places like Wisconsin the, state I'm, in now Pennsylvania other more rural states Great Plains Great Plains and such and there's a very strong relationship between, hunting and, rural | ...and they tend to be in places like wisconsin, the state i'm in now, pennsylvania, other more rural states, great plains, great plains and such, and there's a very strong relationship between hunting and rural life. |
It's all true. The numbers are extraordinary. So 40 percent, as you said, get As. In 1969, that number was 5 percent. Today, about 9 percent get grades of less than C, and in 1969 it was 25 percent. So grades have really shot up. However, 45 percent of these kids are taking remedial courses, and 60 percent, three out o... | it's all true the numbers are extraordinary so. 40 percent as you said get as in 1969, that number was 5 percent today about 9 percent get grades of less than c and in 1969 it was 25 percent so grades, have really shot up however 45 percent of these kids are taking remedial courses and 60 percent three out of five thin... | It's all true The numbers are extraordinary. So 40 percent, as you said get. As In 1969, that number was 5 percent Today. about 9 percent get grades of less than C and in 1969 it was 25 percent So. grades have really shot up. However 45 percent of these kids are taking remedial courses and 60 percent three out of five ... | it's all true. the numbers are extraordinary. so 40 percent, as you said, get as. in 1969, that number was 5 percent. today, about 9 percent get grades of less than c, and in 1969 it was 25 percent. so grades have really shot up. however, 45 percent of these kids are taking remedial courses, and 60 percent, three out o... |
And the reasons for it are, in part, that this is a generation that was brought up never having skinned their knees. Their parents have been very protective, and a lot of kids have won awards. They've all won awards, is the way deans of students described it. They said: You may have won an award for the best trombone p... | and, the reasons for it are in part that this is a generation, that was brought up never having skinned their knees their parents have, been very protective, and a lot of kids have won awards they've all won awards is the way deans of students described. it they said: you may have won an award for the best trombone pla... | And the reasons for it are, in part that this is a generation, that was brought up never having skinned their knees Their parents have been very protective and a lot of kids, have won awards They've all won awards is the way deans of students described it They said: You may have won an award for the best trombone, play... | and the reasons for it are, in part, that this is a generation that was brought up never having skinned their knees. their parents have been very protective, and a lot of kids have won awards. they've all won awards, is the way deans of students described it. they said: you may have won an award for the best trombone p... |
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So they expect applause for the things they're doing, and grades below A-minus don't count for applause. | so they expect applause for the things they're doing and grades below a-minus don't count for | So they expect applause for the things, they're doing and grades below A-minus don't count for | so they expect applause for the things they're doing, and grades below a-minus don't count for applause. |
And that parental involvement, perhaps interference from time to time, that is also continuing. | and that parental involvement perhaps interference from time to time that is also | And that parental involvement perhaps interference from time to time that is, also | and that parental involvement, perhaps interference from time to time, that is also continuing. |
That's amazing. When we asked deans of students what the biggest change they experienced was in the last decade, the answer, overwhelmingly, was parent involvement. And we're having now is kids calling their parents - 40 percent call their parents at least once a day, or text or email. One out of five calls at least th... | that's. amazing when we asked deans of students what, the biggest change they experienced was in the, last decade the answer overwhelmingly was parent involvement and we're having now is kids calling their parents - 40 percent call their parents at least once, a day or text or email one out of five calls at. least thre... | That's amazing, When we asked deans of students what the biggest change they experienced was, in the last decade the answer overwhelmingly was parent involvement And we're having now is kids calling their parents, - 40 percent. call their parents at least, once a day, or text or email One out of five calls at least thr... | that's amazing. when we asked deans of students what the biggest change they experienced was in the last decade, the answer, overwhelmingly, was parent involvement. and we're having now is kids calling their parents - 40 percent call their parents at least once a day, or text or email. one out of five calls at least th... |
And what's happening is parents are also much more involved in college life, so that for more than a quarter, the parents have intervened with a professor or an employer. And for one out of five, they've intervened with a roommate. So these parents are much, much, much more involved than the parents in the past. | and what's happening is parents are also much more involved in, college life so that for more than. a quarter the parents have intervened with. a professor or an employer and for one out of five, they've intervened with a, roommate so these parents are much much much more involved than the parents in, the | And what's happening is parents. are also much more involved in college life so that for. more than a quarter the parents have intervened with. a professor or an employer And for one out. of five they've intervened with a roommate, So these parents are much much much more involved than the parents in the | and what's happening is parents are also much more involved in college life, so that for more than a quarter, the parents have intervened with a professor or an employer. and for one out of five, they've intervened with a roommate. so these parents are much, much, much more involved than the parents in the past. |
We're talking with Arthur Levine about "Generation on a Tightrope: A Portrait of Today's College Student." That's the name of his new book. But we're also talking about the pressures that so many students face these days, the pressures to succeed, and how all those pressures can change college from what they expected. | we're talking with arthur levine about "generation on a tightrope: a portrait of today's college student" that's the name of his new book but we're also talking about the pressures that so many students face these days the pressures. to succeed and how all those pressures can, change college from what they | We're talking with Arthur Levine about "Generation on a Tightrope: A Portrait of Today's College, Student" That's, the. name of his new book But we're also talking, about the pressures that so many students face these days the pressures; to, succeed and how all those pressures can, change college from what they | we're talking with arthur levine about "generation on a tightrope: a portrait of today's college student." that's the name of his new book. but we're also talking about the pressures that so many students face these days, the pressures to succeed, and how all those pressures can change college from what they expected. |
If that's your case, if you're a student, give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email is talk@npr.org. And we'll start with Sam, Sam on the line with us from San Antonio. | if that's your case if you're a student give us a call: 800-989-8255. email. is talk@npr.org and we'll, start with sam sam on the line with us from san | If that's your, case if you're a student give us a; call: 800-989-8255. Email is. talk@npr.org And we'll start with Sam Sam on the line with us from San | if that's your case, if you're a student, give us a call: 800-989-8255. email is talk@npr.org. and we'll start with sam, sam on the line with us from san antonio. |
Yes, hi. Thank you for taking my call. | yes hi thank you. for taking my | Yes hi Thank. you for taking, my | yes, hi. thank you for taking my call. |
Sure. | sure. | ||
I just wanted to mention that San Antonio - south and east of San Antonio currently has a large job boom due to a large oil shale play, and that has actually caused me to change my major. I'm currently - I was currently - currently, not currently a civil engineering major studying at a community college, but I've decid... | i just wanted to mention that san antonio - south, and east of san antonio currently has a. large job boom due to a large oil shale play and that has actually caused me to change my major i'm currently - i was currently - currently not currently a civil engineering major studying at a community college but i've decided... | I just wanted to mention that San Antonio - south and east of. San Antonio currently has a large job boom due to a large oil shale play and that has actually caused me to change my major I'm, currently - I was currently - currently, not currently a civil engineering major studying at a community college but I've decide... | i just wanted to mention that san antonio - south and east of san antonio currently has a large job boom due to a large oil shale play, and that has actually caused me to change my major. i'm currently - i was currently - currently, not currently a civil engineering major studying at a community college, but i've decid... |
And from - my fiancee's in a similar position, and most places around, especially in San Antonio and South Texas, are looking for people who already have several years of experience, and no entry-level jobs, or at least very few are willing to train. | and from - my fiancee's in a similar position and most places around especially in san antonio and south texas are looking for people who already have several years of experience and no entry-level, jobs or. at least very few are willing to | And, from - my fiancee's in a similar position and most places around, especially in San, Antonio, and South Texas are looking for people who. already have. several years, of experience and no entry-level jobs. or at least very few are willing to | and from - my fiancee's in a similar position, and most places around, especially in san antonio and south texas, are looking for people who already have several years of experience, and no entry-level jobs, or at least very few are willing to train. |
And so how are you going to get that job? | and so how are you going to get that | And so how are you going to get that. | and so how are you going to get that job? |
Job fairs, job fairs and hope. There's a lot of people coming from all around the country, as well. It's been very heavily publicized that we have - they're saying approximately 30 to 40 years worth of oil shale in the area. And it - really, it's just getting my name out there as much as I possibly can and hoping for t... | job fairs job fairs and hope there's a lot, of people. coming from all around the country as well it's been very heavily. publicized, that, we have - they're; saying approximately 30 to 40 years worth of oil shale in the. area and it - really it's just getting my name out there as. much as i possibly, can and hoping fo... | Job. fairs job fairs and hope There's a lot of people coming from all around the country as well It's been very heavily publicized that we have - they're saying approximately 30 to 40 years worth, of oil shale, in the area And. it - really it's just getting my name out there as much as, I possibly can and hoping for th... | job fairs, job fairs and hope. there's a lot of people coming from all around the country, as well. it's been very heavily publicized that we have - they're saying approximately 30 to 40 years worth of oil shale in the area. and it - really, it's just getting my name out there as much as i possibly can and hoping for t... |
And what would you have done as a civil engineer? | and what would you have. done, as a civil | And what would you have done as; a civil, | and what would you have done as a civil engineer? |
I would have hoped to have gone into infrastructure, but be - especially from transferring from the community college level to the four-year college level, if you don't have a 3.5 or above GPA, there's no way that you're going to get in any school that's of note. | i would have hoped to have gone into infrastructure; but be - especially from transferring from the community college level to the four-year college level if you don't have a; 3.5 or above gpa there's no way that you're going to, get in. any school that's of, | I, would have hoped to have gone into, infrastructure but be - especially. from transferring from the community college level to the four-year college level if. you don't have a 3.5 or, above GPA there's no way that you're going to get in any school that's of | i would have hoped to have gone into infrastructure, but be - especially from transferring from the community college level to the four-year college level, if you don't have a 3.5 or above gpa, there's no way that you're going to get in any school that's of note. |
And how difficult is it to get that kind of GPA? | and how difficult. is it to get that kind. of | And how difficult is it to get that kind of | and how difficult is it to get that kind of gpa? |
It is difficult, especially on the engineering track. I unfortunately moved down to Texas in between my - in the middle of my high school career from Wisconsin, and I believe the high school system specifically really didn't expect much from me, at least in the math area, while college expected a lot more that I felt t... | it is difficult especially on the. engineering track i unfortunately moved down, to texas in between my - in the middle of my. high school career from wisconsin and i believe the. high school system, specifically, really didn't expect, much from me at least in the math area while college expected a lot more that i, fel... | It is difficult especially on the engineering track I unfortunately moved down to, Texas in between my - in the; middle of my high; school career from Wisconsin and I believe the high school system, specifically really didn't expect much from. me. at least in the math area while college expected a lot more; that I felt... | it is difficult, especially on the engineering track. i unfortunately moved down to texas in between my - in the middle of my high school career from wisconsin, and i believe the high school system specifically really didn't expect much from me, at least in the math area, while college expected a lot more that i felt t... |
Well, we wish you the best of luck, Sam. | well we, wish you the best of luck | Well we wish you the best of luck | well, we wish you the best of luck, sam. |
All right, thank you very much. | all right thank you very | All. right thank you very | all right, thank you very much. |
Appreciate it. And it's interesting, Arthur Levine, that expectation that you're going to have to do a lot in college academically, and there may be grade inflation, but it's still hard. | appreciate it and it's interesting arthur levine that expectation that you're going to have to. do a lot in college academically and there may be grade inflation but it's; still | Appreciate, it. And it's interesting Arthur Levine. that expectation that you're going to have to do a lot in college academically and there may be grade inflation but it's still | appreciate it. and it's interesting, arthur levine, that expectation that you're going to have to do a lot in college academically, and there may be grade inflation, but it's still hard. |
You bet, particularly in the sciences. Sam's experience is fairly typical today. We were amazed. We found that 23 percent of students were majoring in business, and only 7 percent wanted to. We found that 16 percent were in medicine or health, and only 6 percent wanted to be. We found that six percent of students were ... | you bet particularly in the sciences sam's experience; is fairly typical today we were amazed we found that 23 percent of students were majoring in business and only 7 percent, wanted to we found that 16 percent were in medicine or health and only 6 percent. wanted to, be we, found that six percent of students were in ... | You bet particularly in the sciences Sam's experience is fairly typical today We were amazed We found that 23 percent of students were, majoring in business and only 7 percent wanted to We found that 16 percent were in medicine or health and only 6 percent wanted to be We found that six percent of students were in the ... | you bet, particularly in the sciences. sam's experience is fairly typical today. we were amazed. we found that 23 percent of students were majoring in business, and only 7 percent wanted to. we found that 16 percent were in medicine or health, and only 6 percent wanted to be. we found that six percent of students were ... |
Students are choosing the areas in which there are jobs, whether they want to be in those areas or not. And maybe more important is that there are things students can do to make themselves more employable. Two of them are internships. Before you ever hit the job market, get some experience as an intern. They may have t... | students are choosing the areas in which there are jobs whether they want to be in those areas or not and maybe more important is that there; are things students can, do to make themselves more. employable two of them are internships before you ever hit the, job market get, some experience as an intern they may have to... | Students are choosing. the areas in which there are jobs whether they want to be in those areas or not And maybe more important is that there are things students; can do to make themselves more employable Two of them are internships Before you ever hit the job market get some, experience as an intern They may have to d... | students are choosing the areas in which there are jobs, whether they want to be in those areas or not. and maybe more important is that there are things students can do to make themselves more employable. two of them are internships. before you ever hit the job market, get some experience as an intern. they may have t... |
And in the senior year of college, produce a project, something you can show an employer of what you're capable of doing. And take a real practical minor. If you're a liberal arts student, put together some courses, put together arts and management if you're an art major, and that gives you an arts management backgroun... | and in. the senior year of college produce a project something you can show an employer of what you're. capable of doing and take, a real practical minor if you're a liberal arts student, put together some courses put together arts and management if you're an art major and; that gives you an arts management background.... | And. in the senior year of, college produce a project something you can show an employer of what you're capable of doing And take, a real practical minor If you're a liberal arts student put together some courses put together arts and management if you're an art major. and that gives you an arts management background o... | and in the senior year of college, produce a project, something you can show an employer of what you're capable of doing. and take a real practical minor. if you're a liberal arts student, put together some courses, put together arts and management if you're an art major, and that gives you an arts management backgroun... |
If you're in art, again, combine it with science courses, and you become an art illustrator. There are lots of ways to peel this onion. | if you're in art again combine it with science courses and you become, an art illustrator there are. lots of ways to peel this | If you're in. art again combine it with science courses and you, become an, art illustrator There are lots, of ways to peel this | if you're in art, again, combine it with science courses, and you become an art illustrator. there are lots of ways to peel this onion. |
Let's go next to Michael, and Michael's with us from Cincinnati. | let's go next to michael, and michael's. with us from | Let's go, next to Michael and; Michael's with us from | let's go next to michael, and michael's with us from cincinnati. |
Hi, Neal. Hi, Arthur. Thank you for taking my call. | hi neal hi arthur thank you for taking my | Hi Neal Hi Arthur Thank you for taking my | hi, neal. hi, arthur. thank you for taking my call. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
Sure. | sure. | ||
I actually - I just graduated, so I fall a bit out of your demographic. But I saw that when I was in college, and I felt that a lot of my professors and a lot of my courses are actually what I would deem kind of useless in that, for an undergraduate degree, I found it very - a lot of professors seemed to be talking abo... | i actually - i just. graduated so i fall a bit out of your demographic but i saw, that when i was in college and i felt, that a lot of my professors and a lot, of my courses are actually what, i would deem kind of useless in that for an, undergraduate degree i found it, very - a lot of professors seemed to be. talking ... | I actually - I just graduated so I fall a bit out of your demographic. But I saw that when I was in college, and I felt that a lot of, my professors and a lot. of my courses are actually what I would deem; kind of useless in that for an undergraduate degree. I found it very; - a lot of professors seemed to be talking a... | i actually - i just graduated, so i fall a bit out of your demographic. but i saw that when i was in college, and i felt that a lot of my professors and a lot of my courses are actually what i would deem kind of useless in that, for an undergraduate degree, i found it very - a lot of professors seemed to be talking abo... |
All right. Thanks very much for the call. And I think that's sort of acceptance of self-responsibility. Well, I'm not reading a lot of that in your survey results. | all right thanks very much for the call and i think that's sort of acceptance of self-responsibility well i'm, not. reading a lot of that in your, survey | All right Thanks very much for the call And I think that's sort of acceptance of self-responsibility Well I'm, not reading a lot of that in your survey | all right. thanks very much for the call. and i think that's sort of acceptance of self-responsibility. well, i'm not reading a lot of that in your survey results. |
And I feel that a lot of students, they're kind of stuck between this need for practicality on the one hand, but also taking courses that teach you to think, which I think should be the point of an undergraduate education. And I feel that kind of the university structure doesn't give students that opportunity hardly at... | and i feel that a lot of students they're kind of stuck between, this need. for practicality on the one hand but also taking courses that teach you to think which i think should be the point of, an undergraduate education and i feel that kind; of the, university structure, doesn't give students that. opportunity hardly... | And I, feel that a lot of students they're kind of stuck between this need for, practicality on the one hand but also, taking courses that teach you to think which I think should, be the point of an undergraduate education And I feel that kind of the university structure doesn't give students that opportunity hardly at... | and i feel that a lot of students, they're kind of stuck between this need for practicality on the one hand, but also taking courses that teach you to think, which i think should be the point of an undergraduate education. and i feel that kind of the university structure doesn't give students that opportunity hardly at... |
It's interesting, you say teaching you to think, critical thinking. In the survey that Professor Levine did, they found that, in fact, two-thirds of students thought the principal purpose of college was to enable you to earn more money once you graduate. | it's interesting you say teaching you to think. critical thinking in the, survey that professor levine did they found that in fact two-thirds, of students. thought the principal purpose of college was to enable you. to earn more money once you | It's interesting you say teaching, you to think. critical thinking, In the. survey that, Professor Levine did they found that in fact two-thirds of students thought the principal purpose of college was to. enable you to earn more money once you | it's interesting, you say teaching you to think, critical thinking. in the survey that professor levine did, they found that, in fact, two-thirds of students thought the principal purpose of college was to enable you to earn more money once you graduate. |
Right. And I think that's also a response that's shaped by, you know, kind of like my graduating cohort and the past couple years and the years down the line need to deal with kind of the economic situation. But it's really one of the only times in your life, I feel, as an undergraduate student, where you'll be able to... | right, and i think that's also a response that's shaped by you know kind of like my graduating cohort and the past couple years and the years down the line; need to deal with kind of the. economic situation but, it's; really one of the only times in your life i feel as an undergraduate student where; you'll be able to ... | Right And I think that's also a response that's shaped by you know kind of like my graduating cohort and the past. couple years and the. years down the line need to deal, with kind of the economic situation But it's really one of the only times in your. life I feel as, an undergraduate student where you'll be able. to ... | right. and i think that's also a response that's shaped by, you know, kind of like my graduating cohort and the past couple years and the years down the line need to deal with kind of the economic situation. but it's really one of the only times in your life, i feel, as an undergraduate student, where you'll be able to... |
And I know that with the advice you just gave on-air about kind of if you're an art student having like a management course or producing a senior thesis project to show, that you have something tangible that you can do, is extremely good advice. But at the same time, I feel students need to be interested in what they'r... | and i know that with the advice you just gave on-air about kind; of if you're an art student having like a management course or producing a senior thesis project to show that. you have something tangible. that you can do is extremely, good advice, but at the same time i feel students need to be interested in what they'... | And. I know that with the advice. you just gave on-air about kind of if you're an art student having like a. management course or producing a senior thesis project. to, show that, you have something tangible that you, can do is extremely, good advice But at the same time I feel students need to be interested in what th... | and i know that with the advice you just gave on-air about kind of if you're an art student having like a management course or producing a senior thesis project to show, that you have something tangible that you can do, is extremely good advice. but at the same time, i feel students need to be interested in what they'r... |
And briefly, Michael, did you land that job after college, or are you going on for another degree? | and briefly michael did you land that job after college or are you going on for another | And briefly Michael did you land that job after college or are you going on for; another | and briefly, michael, did you land that job after college, or are you going on for another degree? |
So right now I am at my parents' house, kind of recuperating and figuring out the next steps. But I hope to travel abroad in a few months, actually. | so; right now i am at my parents' house kind of recuperating and figuring, out the next steps but i hope. to travel abroad in a few months | So right now I. am at my parents' house, kind, of recuperating and figuring; out the next steps But I hope to travel abroad in a few months | so right now i am at my parents' house, kind of recuperating and figuring out the next steps. but i hope to travel abroad in a few months, actually. |
Oh, so take some time to have some bull sessions in other languages. | oh so take some time to, have some bull sessions in other | Oh so take some, time to have some bull sessions in other | oh, so take some time to have some bull sessions in other languages. |
Right. And I've studied political theory, so, like, any practicality is already out the door. So traveling might be the best thing. | right and i've studied political theory, so, like any practicality is already out the door so traveling. might be the best | Right. And I've studied political theory so like any practicality is already out the door So traveling might be the best | right. and i've studied political theory, so, like, any practicality is already out the door. so traveling might be the best thing. |
(LAUGHTER) | (laughter) | ||
Good luck to you, Michael, thanks very much for the call. | good luck to you, michael thanks very, much for the | Good luck to you Michael thanks. very much for the | good luck to you, michael, thanks very much for the call. |
Thank you for taking me. | thank you for taking | Thank you for taking | thank you for taking me. |
Here's - we're talking about the changing pressures that face college students these days. In a few minutes, we'll hear about a unique idea to help students handle all that pressure. If you are in college, how is it different than you thought? Give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org. Stay with us. I'm Neal... | here's - we're talking about the changing pressures that face college students these days in a few minutes we'll hear about a unique idea to help students, handle all that pressure if you are in college how is it; different than you thought? give us a call: 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org stay; with us i'm neal co... | Here's - we're talking about. the changing pressures that face college students these days In a few minutes we'll hear about a unique idea to help, students handle all that pressure If you are in college how is it different than you thought? Give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org Stay with us I'm Neal Con... | here's - we're talking about the changing pressures that face college students these days. in a few minutes, we'll hear about a unique idea to help students handle all that pressure. if you are in college, how is it different than you thought? give us a call: 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org. stay with us. i'm neal... |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION, from NPR News. I'm Neal Conan. A record number of students are expected to attend U.S. colleges and universities this fall, more than 21 million. That's an increase of about six million students since 2000, and many of them will face added pressures, from a tough economy and job market, from... | this is talk of the nation from npr news i'm. neal conan a record; number of students are expected to attend u.s colleges and universities this fall more than 21 million that's an increase, of. about six million students since 2000, and many of them will face added pressures from a tough economy and job, market from ve... | This is TALK. OF THE NATION from NPR News I'm Neal Conan. A record number of students are expected to attend U.S colleges. and universities this fall more than 21 million That's an increase of about six million students since 2000, and many, of them will face added pressures from a tough economy and; job market from ve... | this is talk of the nation, from npr news. i'm neal conan. a record number of students are expected to attend u.s. colleges and universities this fall, more than 21 million. that's an increase of about six million students since 2000, and many of them will face added pressures, from a tough economy and job market, from... |
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Our guest is Arthur Levine. He serves as president of the Woodrow Wilson National Fellowship Foundation and is co-author with Diane Dean of "Generation on a Tightrope: A Portrait of Today's College Student." And let's get another one of them on the line. Devon's with us from Birmingham. | our guest is arthur levine he serves as president of the woodrow wilson national fellowship foundation and is co-author, with diane dean of "generation on a tightrope: a portrait of today's college student" and let's get another one of them on; the line devon's with us from | Our guest is Arthur. Levine. He serves as president of the Woodrow. Wilson; National Fellowship Foundation and is co-author with. Diane Dean of "Generation on a Tightrope: A Portrait of, Today's College Student" And let's, get another one of them on, the line Devon's with us from | our guest is arthur levine. he serves as president of the woodrow wilson national fellowship foundation and is co-author with diane dean of "generation on a tightrope: a portrait of today's college student." and let's get another one of them on the line. devon's with us from birmingham. |
Hello? | hello? | ||
Hi, Devon. Go ahead, please. | hi devon go ahead | Hi Devon, Go ahead | hi, devon. go ahead, please. |
Hey, how are you doing? Basically, I'm a first-time student, 25 years old. So I'm not like the freshmen in terms of being 18 and under. I kind of just was - whenever I came into it, I don't know, like I was - it definitely was not meeting my expectations in a way, mostly in terms of - just in terms of I'm going for a B... | hey how, are you doing? basically i'm a first-time student 25 years old so i'm, not, like the freshmen in terms of being 18 and under i kind of just was - whenever i came into it i don't know like i was - it definitely was not. meeting, my. expectations in a way mostly in terms of - just in terms of i'm going for a bfa... | Hey how are you doing? Basically. I'm a first-time student 25 years old So I'm not, like the freshmen in. terms. of being 18 and under I kind of just was - whenever I came into it I don't know like I was - it definitely was not meeting my expectations in a way mostly in terms of. - just in terms of I'm going for a BFA ... | hey, how are you doing? basically, i'm a first-time student, 25 years old. so i'm not like the freshmen in terms of being 18 and under. i kind of just was - whenever i came into it, i don't know, like i was - it definitely was not meeting my expectations in a way, mostly in terms of - just in terms of i'm going for a b... |
And the first thing I noticed was just in terms of how many hours you have to take to get a BFA is, of course, you know, it's obscenely large. I unfortunately don't have my parents, you know, providing for me in any way, shape or form. | and the first thing i, noticed was just in terms of how, many hours. you, have to take to get a bfa is of, course you know it's obscenely large i unfortunately don't have my parents you know providing for me in any way shape or | And the first thing I noticed was just in terms of, how many hours you have to, take to, get a BFA is of course you know it's obscenely large I unfortunately don't have my parents you. know providing for me in any way, shape or | and the first thing i noticed was just in terms of how many hours you have to take to get a bfa is, of course, you know, it's obscenely large. i unfortunately don't have my parents, you know, providing for me in any way, shape or form. |
So I'm mostly going to - I'm working fulltime and trying to juggle getting an art degree, which, of course, it's really frustrating because it's like, you know, trying to juggle these studio classes that are straight-up three-and-a-half-hours long and worth the same amount of credits that, you know, like a one-and-a-ha... | so i'm mostly going to - i'm working fulltime and trying to juggle getting an art degree which of course it's really frustrating because it's like you know trying to juggle, these studio classes that are straight-up three-and-a-half-hours long and worth the same amount of credits that you know like a one-and-a-half-hou... | So I'm mostly going to - I'm working fulltime and trying, to juggle getting an art degree which, of course it's really frustrating because it's like you know trying to juggle. these studio classes that are straight-up three-and-a-half-hours long and worth the same amount of credits that you know like, a one-and-a-half-... | so i'm mostly going to - i'm working fulltime and trying to juggle getting an art degree, which, of course, it's really frustrating because it's like, you know, trying to juggle these studio classes that are straight-up three-and-a-half-hours long and worth the same amount of credits that, you know, like a one-and-a-ha... |
You know, on top of that, doing projects for art - which, of course, is a lot longer than, you know, just writing an essay. So it's just, like, I don't know. I was, I guess, expecting a little bit more foundation for those of us that don't have a lot of things that are being provided for us by our parents and things li... | you know. on top of that doing projects for art - which of course is a lot longer than you know just writing an essay, so it's just like i don't. know i was i guess expecting a little bit more, foundation for those of us that don't have a lot of things that are being provided for us by our parents, and things like that... | You know on top of that doing projects for art, - which of course is a, lot longer than you know just writing an essay So it's just like I don't know I was I guess expecting a little. bit more foundation, for those of us that don't have a lot of things that are being provided for us by our parents and. things like that... | you know, on top of that, doing projects for art - which, of course, is a lot longer than, you know, just writing an essay. so it's just, like, i don't know. i was, i guess, expecting a little bit more foundation for those of us that don't have a lot of things that are being provided for us by our parents and things li... |
And so your expectations were that you'd get some more support from the college, at least in terms of practicality. | and so your expectations, were that you'd get some more support from the college at least, in terms of | And so your expectations were that you'd get some more support from the college at least in terms of | and so your expectations were that you'd get some more support from the college, at least in terms of practicality. |
Well yeah, in terms of, like, you know, I'm working, like, a $7.50, you know, job. Like, I'm not making a lot of money. I have to work a severe amount of hours just to be able to survive. And, like, you know, I'm not getting any grants at all. There's no grants being provided, even though I'm sure I qualify for them an... | well yeah in terms of, like you know i'm working like a $7.50, you know job like i'm not making a lot of money i; have to work a. severe amount of hours, just to be able to survive and like you know i'm not getting any grants at, all there's no grants being provided even though i'm sure i qualify for them and i've, app... | Well yeah in terms of like you know I'm working like, a $7.50, you know job Like. I'm not making a lot of money I have to work a severe amount of hours just to be able to survive And like you know I'm not getting any grants at. all There's, no grants being provided even though I'm sure I qualify for them and I've appli... | well yeah, in terms of, like, you know, i'm working, like, a $7.50, you know, job. like, i'm not making a lot of money. i have to work a severe amount of hours just to be able to survive. and, like, you know, i'm not getting any grants at all. there's no grants being provided, even though i'm sure i qualify for them an... |
And the loans themselves just aren't helping. So for us art students who, you know, have those courses that require just so much time and so much extra time compared to, like, writing an essay or something like that, you know, it's just a situation where, you know, you have to - I don't know. It just gets very, very ov... | and the loans themselves just aren't. helping, so for us art students who you know have, those courses that require just so much time and so much extra time compared to like writing, an essay or something like that you know it's just a situation where you know you have to - i don't know it. just gets very very overwhel... | And the, loans themselves, just aren't, helping So for, us, art students who you know have those courses that require just so. much time and so, much extra time compared to like writing an. essay or, something like that you know it's, just a situation where you know you have to - I don't know It just gets very very ove... | and the loans themselves just aren't helping. so for us art students who, you know, have those courses that require just so much time and so much extra time compared to, like, writing an essay or something like that, you know, it's just a situation where, you know, you have to - i don't know. it just gets very, very ov... |
I will defend essayists and point out that a good one takes some time to work out, too, but I get your point. And we wish you the best of luck. | i will defend essayists and point out that a good one takes some time to, work out, too but i get, your point and we, wish you the best of | I. will defend essayists and point, out. that a good one takes some time to work out. too, but I get your point And we wish you the best of | i will defend essayists and point out that a good one takes some time to work out, too, but i get your point. and we wish you the best of luck. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank. | thank you. |
And it is a complaint that you also found, Arthur Levine, in your finding that the students report not getting support from - the kind of support he was talking about, not merely financial support, from their institutions. | and it is a complaint. that you also found arthur levine in; your finding that the students report not getting support from - the kind of. support, he was talking about not merely financial support from. their | And it. is a complaint that you also, found Arthur Levine in your finding that the, students report not getting, support from - the kind of support he was talking about not merely financial support from their | and it is a complaint that you also found, arthur levine, in your finding that the students report not getting support from - the kind of support he was talking about, not merely financial support, from their institutions. |
Actually, students are more satisfied with college now than they've been any time in the last 30 years, which is kind of a surprise. But Devon's experience is the experience students are having. It's not only older students. It's younger students who are having to work more than they've ever worked before and are findi... | actually students are more satisfied with college now than they've been any time in the last 30 years which is kind of a surprise but; devon's experience is the experience students are having it's not only older students it's younger students who are having to work more than they've ever worked before and are finding, ... | Actually students are more satisfied with college now than they've been any time in the last 30 years which is kind of a surprise But Devon's experience is the experience students are having It's not only older students It's younger students who are having to work more than they've ever worked before and are finding th... | actually, students are more satisfied with college now than they've been any time in the last 30 years, which is kind of a surprise. but devon's experience is the experience students are having. it's not only older students. it's younger students who are having to work more than they've ever worked before and are findi... |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
It's harder to do the work the college requires because they're so busy on jobs. It's harder to take as many classes. So it's harder to graduate. It's an incredible stressor. And still, they're taking out enormous loans. How do you get through this and end up with sound mental health? | it's harder to do the work the college requires because they're so busy on, jobs it's harder to take as many classes so it's harder to graduate. it's an incredible stressor and still they're taking out enormous loans. how. do you get through this and end up with sound mental | It's harder to do the work the college requires because they're so busy on jobs It's harder to take as many classes So it's harder, to graduate It's an incredible stressor, And. still they're taking out enormous loans How, do you get through this and end up with sound mental | it's harder to do the work the college requires because they're so busy on jobs. it's harder to take as many classes. so it's harder to graduate. it's an incredible stressor. and still, they're taking out enormous loans. how do you get through this and end up with sound mental health? |
Well... | well... | ||
And by the way, that's another issue. | and by the way that's. another | And by the way. that's another | and by the way, that's another issue. |
And we wanted to introduce a new guest who runs a program designed to relieve some of that stress. Joining us now from her office at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh is Kim Charniak. She's a clinical social worker and runs a program to help students deal with stress and pressure. Nice to have you with us today. | and we wanted to, introduce a, new guest who runs a program designed; to relieve some of that, stress joining us now from her office at the university of wisconsin oshkosh is, kim charniak she's a clinical social worker and runs a program to help students deal with stress and pressure nice to have you with us | And we wanted to introduce a new guest who. runs a program designed to relieve some, of that stress Joining us now from her office at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh is Kim Charniak She's a; clinical social worker and runs a, program to help students deal with stress and pressure Nice to have you with us | and we wanted to introduce a new guest who runs a program designed to relieve some of that stress. joining us now from her office at the university of wisconsin oshkosh is kim charniak. she's a clinical social worker and runs a program to help students deal with stress and pressure. nice to have you with us today. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
And you conduct an animal-assisted therapy program. What's involved in that? | and you conduct, an animal-assisted therapy program what's involved in | And you conduct an animal-assisted therapy program What's. involved in | and you conduct an animal-assisted therapy program. what's involved in that? |
Well, we have one dog right now. His name is Sherman. He's a boxer. And he's trained to work with students that are experiencing anxiety or depression, academic issues, trauma and those kinds of things. And then they see him with a trained therapist, myself, and work in that way. | well we have one dog right now his. name is sherman he's a boxer. and he's trained to work with students that are experiencing anxiety or depression academic issues trauma. and those kinds of things and then they see him with a trained therapist myself and work in that | Well we have one dog right now His name is Sherman He's a boxer And. he's trained to work with students that, are experiencing anxiety or depression academic issues trauma and those kinds of things, And, then they see him with a trained therapist myself. and work in that, | well, we have one dog right now. his name is sherman. he's a boxer. and he's trained to work with students that are experiencing anxiety or depression, academic issues, trauma and those kinds of things. and then they see him with a trained therapist, myself, and work in that way. |
But we also have outreach programs where we can work with many students at a time in classroom settings or in their residence halls, working on kind of stress management. | but we also have outreach programs where we can, work, with many students. at a time in. classroom settings or in their residence halls working on kind of stress | But we also have outreach programs where we can work with many students at a time in. classroom settings or in their residence halls working on kind of stress | but we also have outreach programs where we can work with many students at a time in classroom settings or in their residence halls, working on kind of stress management. |
What is a session like with a therapist and a dog? | what is a session like with a therapist, and a | What is a session like, with a therapist and a, | what is a session like with a therapist and a dog? |
It kind of depends on what the goal for that client is. Each client meets with me and Sherman first, and we set up goals related to animal-assisted therapy. So if it's, you know, communications styles that are getting in their way, or that the anxiety is really high and making it hard to make decisions and move through... | it kind of depends on what the goal for that, client, is each client meets with me and sherman first and we set up goals related to animal-assisted therapy so, if it's you know communications styles that are getting in their way or that the. anxiety is really high and making it hard to make decisions and move through a... | It kind of depends on what the goal for that client is Each client meets with me and Sherman first and we set up goals related to animal-assisted therapy So if it's you know communications styles that are getting in their way or that the anxiety. is really high, and making it hard to make. decisions and move; through a... | it kind of depends on what the goal for that client is. each client meets with me and sherman first, and we set up goals related to animal-assisted therapy. so if it's, you know, communications styles that are getting in their way, or that the anxiety is really high and making it hard to make decisions and move through... |
If somebody's having a trauma reaction, and they just need a kind of supportive figure to kind of support them while they talk about that trauma, then Sherman will just simply lay his head on their lap and sit with them and be with them emotionally to support them while they talk. | if somebody's having, a trauma reaction and they just need a kind of supportive figure to kind of support them while they talk about that trauma then sherman, will just simply. lay his, head on their lap and sit with them and be with them emotionally to support them while they | If somebody's having a trauma, reaction and they, just need a kind. of supportive figure to kind of support them while they talk. about that trauma then Sherman will just simply lay his head on their lap and sit with them and, be with them emotionally to support them while they | if somebody's having a trauma reaction, and they just need a kind of supportive figure to kind of support them while they talk about that trauma, then sherman will just simply lay his head on their lap and sit with them and be with them emotionally to support them while they talk. |
If it's something where somebody's really feeling really stressed out, and they're having a hard time even just taking deep breaths and thinking through the problem and making a sound plan about what they want to do next, we'll work through those kind of experiential things with the dog and help them kind of focus in o... | if it's something where somebody's really feeling really. stressed out and they're having a hard time even just taking deep breaths, and thinking through the problem and, making a sound plan about what, they want to do next we'll work. through those kind of experiential things with the dog and help, them kind. of focus... | If it's something where somebody's really feeling, really stressed out and they're having a hard time even just taking, deep breaths and thinking through the. problem and; making a sound plan about what they want to do next we'll work through those kind of, experiential things with the dog and help them kind of focus i... | if it's something where somebody's really feeling really stressed out, and they're having a hard time even just taking deep breaths and thinking through the problem and making a sound plan about what they want to do next, we'll work through those kind of experiential things with the dog and help them kind of focus in o... |
How did you - I'm not sure how this program originated, but let me ask: How did you convince the university that they needed a therapy dog? | how did you - i'm not sure how this program originated but let me ask: how did you convince the university that they needed a therapy | How did. you - I'm not sure how this program originated but let me ask: How did you convince the university that they needed a, therapy | how did you - i'm not sure how this program originated, but let me ask: how did you convince the university that they needed a therapy dog? |
Well, it kind of came - but like a lot of good ideas come, by accident. We had this beautiful dog that I got as a rescued animal that was kind of supporting an older dog in my home. And while we were training him, everybody - the trainers kept saying he really has a personality to be a therapy dog. | well it kind of came - but like a lot. of good ideas come by accident we had this beautiful dog that i, got. as a rescued animal that was kind of supporting an older dog in my home and while we were training him everybody - the trainers kept saying he really has a personality to be a therapy | Well it. kind of came - but like a lot of good ideas come by accident, We had this beautiful. dog that, I got as a rescued animal that was kind of supporting an older dog in my home. And while we were training him, everybody - the. trainers kept saying he really has a personality to be a therapy | well, it kind of came - but like a lot of good ideas come, by accident. we had this beautiful dog that i got as a rescued animal that was kind of supporting an older dog in my home. and while we were training him, everybody - the trainers kept saying he really has a personality to be a therapy dog. |
So I started looking into it and looking into the research and what that means and what kind of training they would need and what kind of help they can provide. And once I looked through that, then I talked to my boss, Joe Abhold, and he said get it all together, you know, make a statement about what you want and how t... | so i, started. looking into it, and looking into the research and what that means and. what, kind of training they would. need and what kind of help they can provide and once i looked through that then i talked to my boss. joe abhold and, he said get it all, together you know make a statement about what you, want and h... | So, I started looking into it and looking into the research and what that means, and what kind of training they, would need and. what kind, of help they can provide And once I looked through that then I talked to my, boss Joe Abhold and he said get it all. together you know make a, statement about what you want and how... | so i started looking into it and looking into the research and what that means and what kind of training they would need and what kind of help they can provide. and once i looked through that, then i talked to my boss, joe abhold, and he said get it all together, you know, make a statement about what you want and how t... |
So that's what we did. We really looked deeply into the research, and then presented that to the chancellor and then started writing procedures and what we wanted it to look like. And then that's how it kind of got rolling. | so that's what we did we, really looked deeply into the research and then presented that, to the chancellor and then started writing procedures and what we wanted it to look, like and, then that's. how it kind of got | So that's what we did We really looked deeply into the research and then presented that to the chancellor and. then started writing procedures and what we wanted it to look like And, then that's how it kind of got | so that's what we did. we really looked deeply into the research, and then presented that to the chancellor and then started writing procedures and what we wanted it to look like. and then that's how it kind of got rolling. |
And people are signing up to attend these sessions? | and people are, signing. up to attend these | And people are signing up to attend these | and people are signing up to attend these sessions? |
Yeah. It's really highly - the students are really highly motivated to come in. They actually come in and talk to a therapist here, and then they talk and decide whether or not it would be a good idea for them to see Sherman and myself. And if it fits in with the scope of what Sherman can do, then we go ahead and start... | yeah it's really. highly - the students are really. highly motivated to come in they actually come in and. talk to a therapist here and then they talk and decide whether or not it would. be a good idea for them, to see sherman and myself and if it. fits in with the scope of what sherman can do then, we go ahead and sta... | Yeah It's really highly - the students. are really highly motivated to come, in They actually come in and talk to; a therapist here and then they talk and decide whether or not it would. be a good idea for them to see Sherman and myself And if it fits in with the scope of what Sherman can do then we go ahead, and start... | yeah. it's really highly - the students are really highly motivated to come in. they actually come in and talk to a therapist here, and then they talk and decide whether or not it would be a good idea for them to see sherman and myself. and if it fits in with the scope of what sherman can do, then we go ahead and start... |
But students here can be benefitted from Sherman and the activities whether or not they're a client because he goes to classrooms, and he goes to residence halls and floors. And we talk about stress management. He's done several groups for grief for students. So there's a lot of ways that students here are touched by h... | but students here can be benefitted. from sherman and the activities, whether or not; they're a client because he goes to. classrooms and he goes to residence, halls and floors and we talk about stress management he's done. several groups for grief for students so there's a lot of ways that students here are touched. b... | But students here can be benefitted from Sherman and the, activities whether or not they're a. client because he goes to classrooms and he. goes to residence halls and floors And we talk about; stress management He's. done several groups for grief for students So there's a; lot of ways that. students here are touched b... | but students here can be benefitted from sherman and the activities whether or not they're a client because he goes to classrooms, and he goes to residence halls and floors. and we talk about stress management. he's done several groups for grief for students. so there's a lot of ways that students here are touched by h... |
Kim Charniak, thanks very much, and we wish our - give our best to Sherman. | kim charniak thanks very much. and we wish our - give our best to | Kim Charniak, thanks very much and we wish our - give our best to | kim charniak, thanks very much, and we wish our - give our best to sherman. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Kim Charniak, a clinical social worker at the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh, who conducts the Animal-assisted Therapy Program. She joined us from her office there. And Arthur Levine, well, that's one way to help relieve stress. There are other ways that colleges could help their students. | kim charniak, a clinical social worker at the university of wisconsin oshkosh who conducts the animal-assisted therapy program. she joined. us from her, office there and. arthur levine well that's, one way to, help relieve stress there are other ways that colleges could help their | Kim Charniak a clinical social worker at the University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh, who conducts the Animal-assisted, Therapy Program She joined, us from her office there And Arthur Levine well that's one way to help relieve. stress There are other. ways that colleges could help their | kim charniak, a clinical social worker at the university of wisconsin oshkosh, who conducts the animal-assisted therapy program. she joined us from her office there. and arthur levine, well, that's one way to help relieve stress. there are other ways that colleges could help their students. |
There are a lot of ways that colleges could help their students. Actually, psychological counseling services are doing a booming business. The numbers of students who are using them is really growing sky-high. The number of students who are coming to college on prescription drugs for anxiety and other kinds of conditio... | there are a, lot of ways that colleges could help their. students actually psychological counseling services are doing a booming business the numbers of students who, are; using, them is really growing sky-high the number of students, who are coming to college on prescription drugs for anxiety and other kinds of, condi... | There are a lot of ways that colleges could help their students Actually psychological counseling services are doing a booming business The numbers of, students. who are using them is really growing sky-high The number of students who are coming; to college on prescription, drugs for anxiety and other kinds of conditio... | there are a lot of ways that colleges could help their students. actually, psychological counseling services are doing a booming business. the numbers of students who are using them is really growing sky-high. the number of students who are coming to college on prescription drugs for anxiety and other kinds of conditio... |
And self-medicating, too. | and self-medicating | And self-medicating | and self-medicating, too. |
Yes, self-medicating. Drugs and alcohol have always been primary means by which college students: A, self-medicate, and B, entertain themselves. | yes self-medicating drugs and alcohol have always been primary means, by which college students: a self-medicate and b entertain | Yes. self-medicating Drugs and alcohol have always been primary means by which college students: A self-medicate and B entertain | yes, self-medicating. drugs and alcohol have always been primary means by which college students: a, self-medicate, and b, entertain themselves. |
Let's go next to David. David's with us from Chelsea, Michigan. | let's, go next to david david's with us from chelsea | Let's go next to David David's with us from Chelsea | let's go next to david. david's with us from chelsea, michigan. |
Hi, there. | hi | Hi | hi, there. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
Yes. I would just like to talk about how I was going through a community college for an associate's degree in arts. And I intend to go to a four-year school for linguistics. And something I've kind of realized along the way is that we have to create our own future and kind of augment our resume through our strengths by... | yes i would just like to talk about how i was going through a community college for an associate's degree in arts and i intend to go to a four-year school for linguistics and. something; i've, kind of realized. along the. way is that we have to create our own future and kind of augment our resume. through our strengths... | Yes I would just like to talk about how I was going through a community college for; an associate's degree in arts And I intend to go to a four-year school for linguistics And, something. I've kind, of realized along the way is. that we have to create, our own future; and kind of augment, our resume through our, streng... | yes. i would just like to talk about how i was going through a community college for an associate's degree in arts. and i intend to go to a four-year school for linguistics. and something i've kind of realized along the way is that we have to create our own future and kind of augment our resume through our strengths by... |
Well, I just wanted to ask what field do you hope to get a job in after you graduate. | well i just wanted to ask what field do you hope to get a job. in after you | Well I just wanted to ask what field do you hope to get. a job in after you | well, i just wanted to ask what field do you hope to get a job in after you graduate. |
Oh, linguistics and interpreting. I'm thinking translating comics or something like that. | oh. linguistics and interpreting i'm thinking translating comics, or something like | Oh linguistics and, interpreting. I'm, thinking translating comics, or something like | oh, linguistics and interpreting. i'm thinking translating comics or something like that. |
Uh-huh. | uh-huh. | ||
All right. Thank you very much. | all, right thank you very | All right Thank you very, | all right. thank you very much. |
It was pretty smooth sailing for Michael Mukasey in his confirmation hearing except on one point - torture. | it was pretty smooth sailing for michael mukasey in his confirmation hearing except on one point | It was pretty smooth sailing for Michael Mukasey in his confirmation hearing except on, one point | it was pretty smooth sailing for michael mukasey in his confirmation hearing except on one point - torture. |
No. That was one of the - I guess one of the biggest surprises is that because this generation is so sheltered, they haven't had to deal with adversity very much or at all. So when they encounter the failures we all encounter throughout life, they don't know what to do about it. They are so heavily dependent upon adult... | no that was one of the - i guess one of the biggest surprises is that because this generation is so sheltered, they. haven't had to deal with adversity very much. or at all so when they encounter the. failures we all encounter throughout life they, don't know what. to do about it they are so heavily dependent upon adul... | No That was one of the - I guess one of the biggest surprises is, that because this generation. is so sheltered they haven't had. to deal with adversity very much. or at all So when they encounter the failures we all encounter throughout life they, don't know what to do about. it They are so heavily dependent upon adul... | no. that was one of the - i guess one of the biggest surprises is that because this generation is so sheltered, they haven't had to deal with adversity very much or at all. so when they encounter the failures we all encounter throughout life, they don't know what to do about it. they are so heavily dependent upon adult... |
Let's go next to Paul, Paul with us from Pensacola. | let's go next to paul paul with us from | Let's go next to Paul Paul with us from | let's go next to paul, paul with us from pensacola. |
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