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But that's all it was. It was an agreement to have the debate. It was no sign of how they may vote on final passage. And there are a lot of skittish Democrats, you know, many of them who are up in 2014, people like Mark Begich of Alaska and Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, many Democrats in red st...	but that's all it was it was an, agreement to have the debate it was no sign of how they. may vote on final passage, and there are a lot of skittish democrats you know many of; them who are up in 2014, people, like mark begich of. alaska and mark pryor of arkansas and mary landrieu of louisiana many democrats in red st...	But that's all it was, It was an agreement to have the debate It. was no sign of how they. may vote on final passage And there, are a lot of skittish Democrats you know many, of them who are up, in 2014, people, like Mark, Begich of Alaska and Mark, Pryor of Arkansas and Mary Landrieu; of. Louisiana many Democrats in r...	but that's all it was. it was an agreement to have the debate. it was no sign of how they may vote on final passage. and there are a lot of skittish democrats, you know, many of them who are up in 2014, people like mark begich of alaska and mark pryor of arkansas and mary landrieu of louisiana, many democrats in red st...
So we don't know if we're going to have these kind of votes or not, whereas the Republicans have their own amendments. I mean first of all the Democrats have several amendments: the extended background check; the assault weapons ban, which nobody thinks will pass; limiting the magazine ammunition, size of the magazine.	so we don't know if we're going to have. these kind of votes or not whereas the republicans have their own amendments i mean first of all the democrats have several amendments: the extended background check the assault weapons ban which nobody thinks will pass limiting the magazine ammunition size of the	So we don't know if we're going to have these kind of votes or not whereas the Republicans have their own amendments. I mean first of all the Democrats have several amendments: the extended background check the assault weapons ban which nobody thinks will pass limiting the magazine ammunition size of the	so we don't know if we're going to have these kind of votes or not, whereas the republicans have their own amendments. i mean first of all the democrats have several amendments: the extended background check; the assault weapons ban, which nobody thinks will pass; limiting the magazine ammunition, size of the magazine.
Size of the magazine.	size. of the;	Size of; the,	size of the magazine.
But the Republicans have one, as well. John Cornyn of Texas has an amendment that basically says that somebody who is allowed to carry a concealed weapon in a state that allows it, other states should be allowed to respect that state's law. So both sides have amendments.	but the republicans have one as well john cornyn of texas. has an amendment that basically, says that somebody who is allowed to carry a, concealed weapon in a state that allows it. other states should, be allowed to. respect that state's law so both sides have	But the Republicans have one as, well John Cornyn, of Texas has an amendment that basically says that somebody who is allowed to carry a, concealed weapon in, a, state, that allows it other states should be allowed to respect that state's law So both sides have	but the republicans have one, as well. john cornyn of texas has an amendment that basically says that somebody who is allowed to carry a concealed weapon in a state that allows it, other states should be allowed to respect that state's law. so both sides have amendments.
And of course the Democrats say if our side, if our, the Democratic side, is losing on these things, and the Republicans and the pro-gun folks start winning, they may even pull down the bill itself or at least vote to defeat it.	and; of course. the democrats; say, if our side if our the democratic side is losing on these things and the republicans and the pro-gun folks; start winning, they may even. pull down the bill itself or at least vote to defeat	And of course, the Democrats say if our side if our the Democratic. side is losing on these things and the Republicans and the. pro-gun folks start winning they may even pull down the. bill itself or at least vote to defeat	and of course the democrats say if our side, if our, the democratic side, is losing on these things, and the republicans and the pro-gun folks start winning, they may even pull down the bill itself or at least vote to defeat it.
Although, I mean, I think it's fair to say that people are getting a little pessimistic about the chances of real gun reform, any reform on either side of existing gun legislation. Is that relatively...	although i mean i think it's fair to say that people are getting a little pessimistic about the chances of real gun, reform any reform on either side of existing gun legislation is that	Although I mean I think it's fair to say that people are getting a little pessimistic; about the chances of real gun, reform any reform on either. side of existing gun legislation Is that	although, i mean, i think it's fair to say that people are getting a little pessimistic about the chances of real gun reform, any reform on either side of existing gun legislation. is that relatively...
Well, in the fact that no - there has not been any kind of gun law passed since 1994, the assault weapons bill that went out of business after 10 years. But the fact that two pro-gun, moderate, conservative senators, Pat Toomey, the Republican of Pennsylvania, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, the fact that they got togeth...	well in the fact that no - there has not been any kind of, gun law passed, since; 1994, the assault weapons. bill that went out of business after 10 years but the fact that two pro-gun moderate conservative senators pat; toomey the republican of pennsylvania joe manchin. of west virginia the fact that they got together...	Well in the fact that no - there has, not been, any kind of, gun law passed since 1994, the assault weapons. bill, that went, out of business after 10 years But the fact that two pro-gun; moderate conservative. senators Pat Toomey, the Republican of. Pennsylvania Joe Manchin of, West Virginia the fact, that they got to...	well, in the fact that no - there has not been any kind of gun law passed since 1994, the assault weapons bill that went out of business after 10 years. but the fact that two pro-gun, moderate, conservative senators, pat toomey, the republican of pennsylvania, joe manchin of west virginia, the fact that they got togeth...
And of course in the wake of Sandy Hook, if we don't get anything out of today's votes, and the votes start at 4 p.m. Eastern Time, then we may be really at square zero again.	and of course in the wake; of sandy hook if we don't get anything out of today's votes and the votes start at 4 p.m eastern time then we may be really at square zero	And of course in. the wake of Sandy Hook if we don't get anything out of today's votes and the votes start at 4 p.m Eastern Time then, we, may be really at square zero	and of course in the wake of sandy hook, if we don't get anything out of today's votes, and the votes start at 4 p.m. eastern time, then we may be really at square zero again.
All right, well, there's another thing that may have a chance, and that's immigration deal, and that's because of a bipartisan proposal, as well. We finally have the full Gang of Eight bill, which Marco Rubio has been touting. What are the chances for immigration?	all right, well there's another thing that may have, a chance and that's immigration deal and that's because of a bipartisan proposal as well we finally have the full gang of eight, bill which marco rubio has. been touting what are the chances for	All. right well there's another thing that may have a chance and that's immigration deal and that's because of a, bipartisan. proposal as well We finally have the full, Gang of Eight. bill which Marco. Rubio has, been touting What are the chances, for	all right, well, there's another thing that may have a chance, and that's immigration deal, and that's because of a bipartisan proposal, as well. we finally have the full gang of eight bill, which marco rubio has been touting. what are the chances for immigration?
Well, Marco Rubio is the key person. Of course there are a lot of Democrats who were ready to go with this much earlier. Rubio is being very cautious, and understandably so, because conservatives are looking at him very closely. He is Latino, he is from Florida...	well marco rubio is the key. person of course there are a lot of democrats who were, ready to go with this much earlier rubio is being very cautious and understandably so because conservatives are. looking at him very closely he is. latino he is from	Well Marco Rubio is the, key person Of, course there are a lot of Democrats who were ready to go with this, much earlier Rubio is being very cautious and understandably so because conservatives are looking at him very closely He. is, Latino he is from	well, marco rubio is the key person. of course there are a lot of democrats who were ready to go with this much earlier. rubio is being very cautious, and understandably so, because conservatives are looking at him very closely. he is latino, he is from florida...
Looking at him as a possible presidential candidate.	looking at him as a possible, presidential	Looking; at. him as a possible presidential	looking at him as a possible presidential candidate.
Well exactly, 2016 is not far from his calculations. And except - it looks like that he's ready to sign on with this. It looks like the Gang of Eight are going to go along with this. Basically it's going to be, you know, you have to - if you're in the country 10 years, you have to pay a penalty of $2,000, you have to s...	well, exactly 2016 is not far from his calculations and, except - it looks like that he's ready, to sign on with this it looks like; the gang of eight are going to go along with this basically it's going, to be you know you have to - if you're. in the country 10 years you have to pay a penalty of $2,000, you have to sp...	Well exactly 2016 is not. far from his calculations And except - it looks like that he's, ready to sign on with this. It looks like the Gang of Eight are going, to go, along with this Basically it's going to, be you know you have to - if you're in the country 10 years you have to pay a penalty of $2,000, you have to sp...	well exactly, 2016 is not far from his calculations. and except - it looks like that he's ready to sign on with this. it looks like the gang of eight are going to go along with this. basically it's going to be, you know, you have to - if you're in the country 10 years, you have to pay a penalty of $2,000, you have to s...
You get a green card after 10 years and then possible citizenship after another three years.	you get. a; green card after 10 years and then possible citizenship after another three,	You get a green card after 10 years and then possible citizenship after, another three	you get a green card after 10 years and then possible citizenship after another three years.
Right, but none of that happens until this increased border security, and that's part of the deal, as well. And everybody seems to be signing off on this at least in the Senate. And of course the question with everything, with immigration as well as guns, is we don't know how the House will react.	right but none of that happens until this increased border security and that's. part, of the deal as well and everybody seems to be signing off on this at, least in the senate, and of course the question; with everything with immigration as well as guns is we don't know how, the house will	Right but none, of that happens until this increased border security and that's part of the deal as well And everybody seems to be signing off on this at least in the Senate And of. course the question with everything with immigration as well as, guns is we don't know how the House will	right, but none of that happens until this increased border security, and that's part of the deal, as well. and everybody seems to be signing off on this at least in the senate. and of course the question with everything, with immigration as well as guns, is we don't know how the house will react.
And of course we keep hearing the word amnesty a lot from folks on the House side or opponents in the Senate. So we'll just have to wait and see what happens. But right now immigration reform or immigration overhaul looks more promising right now than gun overhaul, at least in the Senate.	and of. course we keep hearing the word amnesty a lot from folks on the house side or opponents. in. the senate so we'll just have. to wait and see what happens but right now immigration reform or immigration overhaul looks more promising right now than, gun overhaul at least in the	And of course we keep hearing, the word amnesty a lot, from. folks on, the House side or opponents. in the Senate So we'll just have to wait and see what happens But right, now immigration reform or immigration overhaul looks more promising right now than gun overhaul at least, in. the	and of course we keep hearing the word amnesty a lot from folks on the house side or opponents in the senate. so we'll just have to wait and see what happens. but right now immigration reform or immigration overhaul looks more promising right now than gun overhaul, at least in the senate.
OK, so let's talk a little bit about where we began because we only have about a minute left before we have to take a break, about the chances for, say, for example, Anthony Weiner in New York. Polls show him second in the running.	ok, so let's; talk a little bit about where we. began because we only have about. a minute left before we have to take a break about, the chances for say for example, anthony weiner in new york polls show him second in the	OK so let's talk a; little bit about where we began because we only have about a minute. left before we have to take a break about the chances for say for example Anthony, Weiner in New York Polls show him, second in the	ok, so let's talk a little bit about where we began because we only have about a minute left before we have to take a break, about the chances for, say, for example, anthony weiner in new york. polls show him second in the running.
Well yes, but, you know, but of course he certainly has...	well yes but you know but of course he certainly	Well yes but you know but of course he. certainly,	well yes, but, you know, but of course he certainly has...
For Democrats.	for	For	for democrats.
Yeah, I was thinking today that the speaker of the House was probably Pollyanna. I mean, we really were in a different time. People picnicked on the lawn of the Capitol. Cars regularly drove in and out. Pizza delivery boys, and they were all boys, would come in with pizzas, and security would literally wave them throug...	yeah i was thinking today that the speaker. of the house was probably pollyanna i mean we really were in a. different time. people picnicked on the lawn; of the capitol cars regularly drove in and out pizza delivery boys and they were all, boys would come in with pizzas and security would literally wave them	Yeah I was thinking today that. the speaker of the House. was probably Pollyanna I mean, we really were in. a different time People picnicked on, the lawn of the Capitol. Cars regularly drove in and out Pizza; delivery boys and they were all boys would come, in with pizzas and, security would literally wave them,	yeah, i was thinking today that the speaker of the house was probably pollyanna. i mean, we really were in a different time. people picnicked on the lawn of the capitol. cars regularly drove in and out. pizza delivery boys, and they were all boys, would come in with pizzas, and security would literally wave them throug...
Well, yes, I mean, he has voter identification. You know, when Gary Hart dropped out of the race, my political junkie column is all about this this week, but when Gary Hart dropped out of the race because of the sex scandal in '87, came back into the race, he was immediately the frontrunner because of course everybody ...	well yes i mean he has voter identification, you know when gary. hart dropped out, of the race my political junkie, column is all about this this week but when gary hart dropped out of the race because of the sex scandal in '87, came back into the race he was immediately the. frontrunner because of course everybody kno...	Well. yes I mean he has voter identification You know when Gary Hart dropped out of the race my, political junkie column is all about this this week but when Gary Hart dropped out, of the race because of the sex scandal in '87, came back into the race he was immediately the, frontrunner because of. course everybody kno...	well, yes, i mean, he has voter identification. you know, when gary hart dropped out of the race, my political junkie column is all about this this week, but when gary hart dropped out of the race because of the sex scandal in '87, came back into the race, he was immediately the frontrunner because of course everybody ...
He wants to be mayor. He has $4 million to spend. He's very, very smart. But can voters forgive the famous tweets?	he wants to. be mayor he has $4 million to spend he's very very smart but can voters forgive the. famous	He wants to. be mayor He has $4 million to spend He's very, very smart But can voters forgive. the famous.	he wants to be mayor. he has $4 million to spend. he's very, very smart. but can voters forgive the famous tweets?
All right, stay with us, Ken. Of course when we come back we'll get an update on the suspicious packages that were intercepted before delivery to President Obama and Senator Roger Wicker. Stay with us. Also things are continuing to develop quickly in the investigation of the bombings in Boston. We're expecting details ...	all right stay with us. ken of course when we come back we'll get, an update on the, suspicious packages that were intercepted before delivery to president obama and senator roger wicker stay with us also things are continuing to develop quickly in the investigation of. the, bombings in boston we're expecting. details ...	All right stay with us Ken Of course when we come back we'll, get an update. on the, suspicious packages that were, intercepted, before, delivery to President Obama and Senator Roger Wicker Stay with us Also things are, continuing to develop quickly in the investigation of the bombings in Boston. We're expecting detail...	all right, stay with us, ken. of course when we come back we'll get an update on the suspicious packages that were intercepted before delivery to president obama and senator roger wicker. stay with us. also things are continuing to develop quickly in the investigation of the bombings in boston. we're expecting details ...
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This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. I'm Celeste Headlee. It's Wednesday, that means political junkie Ken Rudin is here with me. And today the Secret Service continues to investigate the suspicious package that was sent to President Obama. Preliminary tests indicate it could contain the poison ricin.	this is talk of the nation, from npr news i'm celeste headlee it's wednesday that means political junkie ken rudin is here; with me and today the secret service. continues to investigate the. suspicious package that. was sent to president obama preliminary tests indicate it could. contain the poison	This is TALK. OF THE. NATION from NPR News I'm Celeste Headlee. It's Wednesday that means political junkie Ken Rudin. is here with me And today the. Secret Service, continues to investigate the suspicious package that was sent to President Obama Preliminary tests indicate it could contain the poison	this is talk of the nation from npr news. i'm celeste headlee. it's wednesday, that means political junkie ken rudin is here with me. and today the secret service continues to investigate the suspicious package that was sent to president obama. preliminary tests indicate it could contain the poison ricin.
Another letter sent to Mississippi Senator Roger Wicker, also tested positive for ricin in early tests, according to the FBI. And earlier today, parts of congressional offices in Washington were temporarily blocked off after suspicious packages were found there.	another letter sent to mississippi. senator, roger wicker also tested positive for ricin in early. tests according to the fbi and earlier today parts of congressional offices in washington were temporarily blocked off after suspicious. packages were found	Another letter sent to Mississippi Senator Roger Wicker also tested positive for. ricin in early tests according to the FBI And earlier today, parts of congressional offices in, Washington were temporarily blocked off after suspicious packages were found	another letter sent to mississippi senator roger wicker, also tested positive for ricin in early tests, according to the fbi. and earlier today, parts of congressional offices in washington were temporarily blocked off after suspicious packages were found there.
So if you've worked in politics, we want to hear from you. Tell us about a time when your office handled a threat. The number is 800-989-8255. You can also send an email to talk@npr.org. In a moment we'll speak with a former member of Congress about the threats Congress people face daily, I'm sure, and how that affects...	so if you've worked in, politics we want to; hear from you tell. us about a time when; your. office handled a threat the number, is 800-989-8255. you can also send an email to talk@npr.org in a moment we'll speak, with a former member of congress about the threats congress people. face, daily i'm sure and how that affe...	So if you've worked in politics we want to hear from you Tell us about a time when your office handled a threat The number is, 800-989-8255. You can also send an email to talk@npr.org In a moment we'll speak with a former member of Congress about the threats Congress people face daily I'm sure and; how that affects the...	so if you've worked in politics, we want to hear from you. tell us about a time when your office handled a threat. the number is 800-989-8255. you can also send an email to talk@npr.org. in a moment we'll speak with a former member of congress about the threats congress people face daily, i'm sure, and how that affects...
But first, NPR's Tamara Keith has been following this story and joins us from the Capitol. Tamara, the letter or package that was sent to the White House, it never made it to the building, the White House building, correct?	but first npr's tamara keith has been following this story and joins us from the capitol tamara the letter or package that was sent to the white house it never made it to the, building the white house building,	But, first NPR's Tamara Keith has been following this story and. joins us from the Capitol Tamara the letter or package that was sent to the White House it never made it to the building, the White House building	but first, npr's tamara keith has been following this story and joins us from the capitol. tamara, the letter or package that was sent to the white house, it never made it to the building, the white house building, correct?
That's correct, and also the letter sent to Senator Wicker never made it to the Capitol Building. All mail is processed off-site, and it was in fact a letter that was addressed to the president, not a package. And the Secret Service said that it contained a suspicious substance.	that's correct and also the letter sent to senator wicker never, made it to the capitol building, all mail is processed off-site and, it was in fact a letter that, was addressed to the president not, a package and the secret service. said that it contained a suspicious	That's correct and also. the, letter sent to Senator Wicker never made it to the Capitol Building All mail is processed off-site and it was in fact a letter that was addressed to the president not a package And the Secret Service said that it contained a suspicious	that's correct, and also the letter sent to senator wicker never made it to the capitol building. all mail is processed off-site, and it was in fact a letter that was addressed to the president, not a package. and the secret service said that it contained a suspicious substance.
But there are these remote mail screening facilities, much of this put into place after the anthrax scares after 9/11. So mail does not come directly into the Capitol complex at all. It goes into these remote facilities where, in the case of the letter to Senator Wicker, it was discovered and tested positive in a preli...	but there are these remote mail screening facilities much of this put into, place after the anthrax, scares after 9/11. so. mail does not come directly. into the capitol complex at all it goes into these remote facilities where in the case of the letter to, senator wicker it was discovered and, tested, positive in a pr...	But there are these remote mail screening facilities much of this put into place after the anthrax scares after 9/11. So mail does not come directly into the Capitol complex at all It. goes into these remote facilities where in the case of the letter to Senator Wicker it was discovered, and tested positive in a prelimi...	but there are these remote mail screening facilities, much of this put into place after the anthrax scares after 9/11. so mail does not come directly into the capitol complex at all. it goes into these remote facilities where, in the case of the letter to senator wicker, it was discovered and tested positive in a preli...
Well, let me stop you there. When you're talking about preliminary and further testing, what's the difference? Could you get a preliminary test that's positive for ricin and then a later test that's not?	well let me stop you. there when you're talking about preliminary and further testing what's the difference? could you get a preliminary test that's positive for ricin and then a later test that's	Well let me stop you there When you're talking about preliminary and further testing what's the difference? Could you get, a preliminary test that's positive for. ricin and then, a later test that's	well, let me stop you there. when you're talking about preliminary and further testing, what's the difference? could you get a preliminary test that's positive for ricin and then a later test that's not?
My understanding is that there are a lot of false positives, that, you know, it's sort of a field test, and then you would go to an actual lab and do a more sophisticated test that takes, according to the Capitol Police and the FBI, somewhere between 24 and 48 hours. So it's a more extensive and more likely to be accur...	my understanding is that there are a lot of false positives. that, you know it's sort of a field test and then you would go. to an actual lab and do a more sophisticated test that takes. according to, the capitol police and the fbi somewhere between 24 and, 48 hours so it's a more, extensive and. more. likely to be acc...	My understanding is that there are a lot. of false positives that you know it's sort of a field test and then you would go to an. actual lab and do a more sophisticated test that takes. according. to the Capitol Police, and the FBI somewhere between 24 and 48 hours So it's a, more extensive and; more likely to be. accu...	my understanding is that there are a lot of false positives, that, you know, it's sort of a field test, and then you would go to an actual lab and do a more sophisticated test that takes, according to the capitol police and the fbi, somewhere between 24 and 48 hours. so it's a more extensive and more likely to be accur...
We're getting...	we're	We're	we're getting...
So at this point we don't really truly know...	so at this point we don't really truly	So at this point we don't really truly	so at this point we don't really truly know...
If there's any ricin at all.	if there's any. ricin at,	If, there's any ricin at	if there's any ricin at all.
It's possible that there isn't any at all. It's also possible that those preliminary tests were accurate.	it's possible that there isn't any at all it's also possible that those preliminary tests were	It's possible that there isn't any at all. It's also possible that those preliminary tests were	it's possible that there isn't any at all. it's also possible that those preliminary tests were accurate.
So we're also getting - you know, there's rumors flying everywhere. One thing we heard from Senator Carl Levin was that he says his office in Saginaw, Michigan, received a suspicious letter or package. Have you been able to confirm that?	so we're also getting - you know there's rumors flying everywhere one thing we heard from senator carl levin was that he says his office in saginaw michigan received a suspicious letter or package have you been able to confirm	So we're, also getting - you know there's rumors. flying everywhere One thing we heard from Senator Carl Levin was. that, he says his office, in Saginaw. Michigan received a suspicious letter or package Have you been able, to confirm	so we're also getting - you know, there's rumors flying everywhere. one thing we heard from senator carl levin was that he says his office in saginaw, michigan, received a suspicious letter or package. have you been able to confirm that?
Well, all I've been able to confirm is that he, in fact, does say that his office received a suspicious letter and that they did what they're supposed to do with it, which is they called the authorities, and the letter is now being tested. It - we don't know yet if there was anything about it other than something that ...	well all i've been able to confirm is that he in fact does say that his office received a suspicious. letter and that they; did what they're supposed to do with it. which is they called the authorities and. the letter is now being tested it - we don't know yet if there was anything about it other than something that ma...	Well all I've been able to confirm is that he in fact; does say that his office received. a suspicious letter. and that they did what they're supposed to do with it which is they called the authorities and the letter is now being tested It - we don't know yet if there was anything about, it other than something that. m...	well, all i've been able to confirm is that he, in fact, does say that his office received a suspicious letter and that they did what they're supposed to do with it, which is they called the authorities, and the letter is now being tested. it - we don't know yet if there was anything about it other than something that ...
And then we also had these suspicious packages here at the Capitol.	and; then; we also had these suspicious packages here at the	And then we also, had these suspicious packages here at. the	and then we also had these suspicious packages here at the capitol.
At the office buildings.	at the office	At, the. office	at the office buildings.