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He started the day with a mass at Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York. This afternoon, he's at a rally in suburban Yonkers with more than 20,000 young people.	he started the day with a mass at saint patrick's cathedral, in new, york this afternoon he's at; a rally in suburban yonkers with more than 20,000 young	He started the day with a mass at Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York This afternoon he's at a rally in. suburban Yonkers with more, than 20,000 young	he started the day with a mass at saint patrick's cathedral in new york. this afternoon, he's at a rally in suburban yonkers with more than 20,000 young people.
One of them was 17-year-old Maggie Santangelo(ph).	one of them was 17-year-old maggie	One of, them was 17-year-old. Maggie	one of them was 17-year-old maggie santangelo(ph).
I don't really know that much about him, but what I do know, I like so far. I mean, he's trying to reach out to a lot of people that I feel like normally wouldn't have gotten the message.	i don't really know that much about him but what i do know. i like so far i. mean he's trying to reach out to a lot of people that i feel like normally wouldn't have gotten the	I don't really know that much about him but what I do know I like so far, I mean he's trying to reach out to. a lot of people that I feel like normally wouldn't, have gotten the	i don't really know that much about him, but what i do know, i like so far. i mean, he's trying to reach out to a lot of people that i feel like normally wouldn't have gotten the message.
I have a feeling a lot of teenagers get lost nowadays, so I think this is, like, really good.	i have a feeling a lot of; teenagers get lost nowadays. so i think this is like, really,	I have a feeling a. lot of teenagers get lost nowadays so I think this is like. really	i have a feeling a lot of teenagers get lost nowadays, so i think this is, like, really good.
NPR's Barbara Bradley Hagerty has been following the pope at the rally and joins us. Barbara, give us a sense of the atmosphere.	npr's barbara bradley hagerty, has been following the, pope at the rally and joins us barbara give us a sense of the	NPR's Barbara Bradley Hagerty has been following. the pope at, the rally and joins us Barbara give us a sense of the	npr's barbara bradley hagerty has been following the pope at the rally and joins us. barbara, give us a sense of the atmosphere.
Well, I - Jacki, you should see it. It's a sea of young people, 20,000 teens and young adults, 2,000 seminarians. It's hot, it's dusty, it's windy. They had to entertain these teens for five hours before the pope came there, and they entertained them with rock stars like Third Day and Kelly Clarkson. In fact, several p...	well; i. - jacki you should see it it's a sea of young people 20,000 teens, and young adults 2,000 seminarians it's. hot it's dusty it's windy they had. to entertain these teens for five hours before the pope came there and they entertained; them, with rock stars like third day and kelly clarkson in fact several people...	Well I, - Jacki you should see it It's a sea. of young people 20,000 teens and young adults 2,000 seminarians, It's hot it's dusty it's windy They had to entertain these teens for five hours before the pope came there, and, they entertained them with rock stars like Third Day, and Kelly Clarkson In fact several people ...	well, i - jacki, you should see it. it's a sea of young people, 20,000 teens and young adults, 2,000 seminarians. it's hot, it's dusty, it's windy. they had to entertain these teens for five hours before the pope came there, and they entertained them with rock stars like third day and kelly clarkson. in fact, several p...
Well, of course, this pope was very conservative when he was still cardinal and in charge of the Doctrine of the Faith. What about now? What's the pope's message?	well of course this pope. was. very conservative when; he was still cardinal and in charge of the doctrine of the faith what about now? what's the pope's	Well of course this pope was very conservative when he was. still cardinal and in charge of the Doctrine, of the Faith What about now? What's the pope's	well, of course, this pope was very conservative when he was still cardinal and in charge of the doctrine of the faith. what about now? what's the pope's message?
Well, what he is urging these kids is to take the liturgy seriously. He's talking about the fact that the culture that they grow up in is filled with drugs, poverty, racism and relativism. As you know, relativism is kind of his major foe, and what he's saying is that the remedy is the - for them to have hope in Jesus a...	well what he is urging these kids is to take the liturgy seriously, he's talking about the fact that the culture that they grow up in is filled with drugs poverty racism and relativism as you. know relativism is kind of his major foe and what he's saying is that the remedy is the - for them to have hope in jesus and to...	Well what he is urging these kids is to take the liturgy seriously He's; talking about; the fact that the culture that they grow up in is filled with, drugs poverty racism and relativism As. you know, relativism is kind of his major; foe and what he's saying is that the remedy is the - for them to have hope in Jesus an...	well, what he is urging these kids is to take the liturgy seriously. he's talking about the fact that the culture that they grow up in is filled with drugs, poverty, racism and relativism. as you know, relativism is kind of his major foe, and what he's saying is that the remedy is the - for them to have hope in jesus a...
He also said something really, really interesting, Jacki. He speaks about the culture he grew up in when he was a teenager, which was Germany under Hitler, and the culture was, as he put it, quote, "marred by its sinister regime that thought that all the answers - it had all the answers" and infiltrated society before ...	he also said something really really interesting, jacki he speaks. about the culture he, grew up in when. he was a. teenager which. was germany under hitler and the culture was as he put it quote "marred by its sinister regime that thought that all the answers - it had all the answers" and infiltrated society before it...	He also said something really really interesting Jacki He speaks about the culture he grew up in, when he was a teenager which was Germany under Hitler and the culture was as he put it quote "marred by its sinister regime that thought that all the answers - it had all the answers" and infiltrated society before it was ...	he also said something really, really interesting, jacki. he speaks about the culture he grew up in when he was a teenager, which was germany under hitler, and the culture was, as he put it, quote, "marred by its sinister regime that thought that all the answers - it had all the answers" and infiltrated society before ...
So it's really a very candid talk. We don't hear him talking much about his own past. It's very interesting.	so it's really a very candid talk we, don't, hear him talking much, about his own past it's very	So it's really a very candid talk We don't hear him talking much about his own past It's, very	so it's really a very candid talk. we don't hear him talking much about his own past. it's very interesting.
Speaking of candor, he's made news a few times on this trip, speaking to people hurt by the clergy sex abuse scandal. He's met with survivors of that, and he's hinted that the Vatican might make some changes to the rules for how it handles sex abuse cases. Anything more on that?	speaking of candor he's made news a few times on this trip speaking to people hurt, by the clergy sex abuse scandal he's met with survivors of that and, he's hinted that the vatican might make some changes to the rules for how it handles sex abuse cases anything more on.	Speaking of candor he's made news a few times on this trip speaking to people hurt by the clergy sex abuse scandal He's met with survivors of that. and he's hinted that the Vatican might make some changes to the rules for how it handles sex abuse cases Anything more on	speaking of candor, he's made news a few times on this trip, speaking to people hurt by the clergy sex abuse scandal. he's met with survivors of that, and he's hinted that the vatican might make some changes to the rules for how it handles sex abuse cases. anything more on that?
Well, yes. Yesterday, Cardinal William Levada, who's the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said that the Vatican is considering changing the canon laws to handle the sex abuse claims.	well yes yesterday cardinal william levada, who's the head of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith said that the vatican is considering changing the canon laws. to handle the. sex abuse	Well yes, Yesterday. Cardinal William Levada, who's the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine, of the, Faith said that the Vatican is considering changing, the canon laws to handle the sex abuse	well, yes. yesterday, cardinal william levada, who's the head of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, said that the vatican is considering changing the canon laws to handle the sex abuse claims.
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Images range from a tapestry portrait of the masked Mexican Zapatista leader Marcos to video interviews with Waco survivors, and photos of the September 11th hijackers. But by grouping such varied subjects under one superficial category, the curators blow a chance to make a timely, incisive statement about American pol...	images range, from a tapestry portrait of the masked mexican zapatista leader marcos to video interviews, with waco survivors and photos of the, september 11th hijackers but by grouping such varied, subjects, under one superficial category the, curators blow a chance. to. make a timely incisive statement, about america...	Images range. from a tapestry portrait of the masked Mexican Zapatista leader Marcos to video interviews with Waco survivors and photos of the September 11th hijackers But by grouping such varied subjects under one superficial category the curators blow a chance to make a timely incisive statement about American politi...	images range from a tapestry portrait of the masked mexican zapatista leader marcos to video interviews with waco survivors, and photos of the september 11th hijackers. but by grouping such varied subjects under one superficial category, the curators blow a chance to make a timely, incisive statement about american pol...
Just steps away from the decadence of ancient Rome is a meditation on a troubling side of American Christianity. Chariot, the Day after the End of Days, an ambitious installation by Matthew Day Jackson, references many Christians' belief in an imminent apocalypse. Jackson offers up an intricately carved Wild West wagon...	just steps away from the decadence of ancient rome is a meditation on a troubling side of american christianity chariot the day after the end, of days an ambitious, installation by matthew, day jackson references many christians' belief in, an imminent apocalypse jackson offers up an intricately carved. wild west wagon...	Just. steps away from the decadence of ancient Rome is a meditation on a troubling side of American Christianity Chariot the Day after the End of Days an ambitious installation by Matthew Day Jackson references many Christians' belief in an imminent apocalypse Jackson offers up an intricately carved Wild West wagon sus...	just steps away from the decadence of ancient rome is a meditation on a troubling side of american christianity. chariot, the day after the end of days, an ambitious installation by matthew day jackson, references many christians' belief in an imminent apocalypse. jackson offers up an intricately carved wild west wagon...
And the Whitney Biennial is up through the end of the month. Alex Mar is an editor at Rolling Stone Magazine.	and the whitney biennial is up through the end of the month. alex mar is an editor at, rolling stone	And the Whitney Biennial is up through, the end of the month Alex Mar is an editor at Rolling Stone	and the whitney biennial is up through the end of the month. alex mar is an editor at rolling stone magazine.
Twenty-one-year-old South African sprinter Oscar Pistorius has a lifelong dream, to compete in the Olympic games, an ambitious goal for any athlete and seemingly out of reach for someone whose legs were amputated at the age of 11 months. Oscar Pistorius runs on carbon fiber artificial limbs called the Cheetah Flex Foot...	twenty-one-year-old. south african sprinter oscar pistorius has a. lifelong dream to compete in. the olympic games an ambitious goal for any athlete and seemingly out of reach for someone whose, legs. were amputated at the age of 11 months oscar pistorius runs on carbon fiber artificial limbs called the cheetah flex fo...	Twenty-one-year-old South African sprinter Oscar Pistorius has a lifelong dream to, compete in the Olympic games an ambitious goal for any, athlete and seemingly out of. reach for someone, whose, legs were amputated at the age of 11 months Oscar Pistorius runs on carbon fiber artificial limbs called the Cheetah Flex Fo...	twenty-one-year-old south african sprinter oscar pistorius has a lifelong dream, to compete in the olympic games, an ambitious goal for any athlete and seemingly out of reach for someone whose legs were amputated at the age of 11 months. oscar pistorius runs on carbon fiber artificial limbs called the cheetah flex foot...
Last year, the International Association of Athletics Federations decided the artificial legs gave Pistorius an unfair advantage and ruled he could not compete against able-bodied runners. He then appealed to the Court of Arbitration For Sport, and last week, that body overturned the ban. Oscar Pistorius is now eligibl...	last year the international association of athletics federations decided the artificial; legs gave pistorius an unfair advantage, and ruled he could not, compete against; able-bodied runners he then appealed to the court of. arbitration for sport and last week that body. overturned the. ban oscar, pistorius is now elig...	Last year the International Association of Athletics Federations decided the artificial legs gave Pistorius an unfair. advantage and ruled he could not compete against, able-bodied runners He then appealed to the Court of Arbitration For Sport and last week that body overturned the ban Oscar. Pistorius, is now, eligibl...	last year, the international association of athletics federations decided the artificial legs gave pistorius an unfair advantage and ruled he could not compete against able-bodied runners. he then appealed to the court of arbitration for sport, and last week, that body overturned the ban. oscar pistorius is now eligibl...
If you would like to speak with him about the ruling, about what it's like to run on carbon fiber legs, or about his plans to compete, give us a call, 800-989-8255. Email talk@npr.org. Oscar Pistorius joins us now from his home in Johannesburg, South Africa. And nice to have you on the program. Congratulations.	if you would like to speak with him about, the ruling about what it's like to run on carbon fiber legs, or about his plans to, compete give us a call 800-989-8255. email talk@npr.org. oscar pistorius joins us now, from his home in johannesburg south africa and nice to have you on the program,	If you would like to speak, with him about the. ruling about what it's like to run on carbon fiber legs or about his plans to compete give us a call 800-989-8255. Email; talk@npr.org. Oscar Pistorius joins, us now from his home in Johannesburg South Africa And nice to have you on the program	if you would like to speak with him about the ruling, about what it's like to run on carbon fiber legs, or about his plans to compete, give us a call, 800-989-8255. email talk@npr.org. oscar pistorius joins us now from his home in johannesburg, south africa. and nice to have you on the program. congratulations.
Thanks very much, Neal. Nice to be on your program.	thanks very. much neal nice to be. on your	Thanks very; much, Neal Nice to, be on your	thanks very much, neal. nice to be on your program.
I guess now the hard part begins.	i guess now the hard part	I guess. now the hard part	i guess now the hard part begins.
Yes. You know, everybody's saying, well, the pressure's off now, but I think the pressure's actually just begun, you know. The one thing I can say, though, it's a positive pressure now, you know, that it's something that I enjoy doing, at least.	yes you know everybody's saying; well the pressure's. off now but i think the pressure's actually just begun you know the one thing i can say though it's a positive pressure now you, know that it's something that i enjoy doing at	Yes You know everybody's saying; well the pressure's off now but I, think the pressure's actually. just begun you know The one thing I can say though it's a positive pressure now you know that it's something that I enjoy doing at	yes. you know, everybody's saying, well, the pressure's off now, but i think the pressure's actually just begun, you know. the one thing i can say, though, it's a positive pressure now, you know, that it's something that i enjoy doing, at least.
And, as I understand it, you're going to have to improve your best time in order to qualify.	and as i understand it, you're going to have to improve. your, best time in order to	And as I understand it you're going to have to improve your, best time in order to	and, as i understand it, you're going to have to improve your best time in order to qualify.
Definitely. You know, I'm not even in the best shape that I was last year. At the moment, we've been dedicating so much time to the court case and to the various tests that we've been doing that my training has kind of taken a second seat for the last couple of months. But we're looking to the next couple of weeks of e...	definitely you know i'm not even in the best shape that. i was last. year at the moment we've been dedicating. so much time to the court case, and to the various. tests that we've been. doing that my training has kind of taken a second seat for the last couple of months but we're, looking to the next couple of weeks of...	Definitely You know I'm not even in the, best shape that I was last year At the moment we've been dedicating so much time to the court case and to the various tests that we've, been doing that my training has kind of taken a. second seat for, the last couple of months But we're looking to the next couple of. weeks of e...	definitely. you know, i'm not even in the best shape that i was last year. at the moment, we've been dedicating so much time to the court case and to the various tests that we've been doing that my training has kind of taken a second seat for the last couple of months. but we're looking to the next couple of weeks of e...
And again, at least you like it, and you're back doing something you know how to do.	and again at least you like it and you're back doing something you; know. how to	And again at least you like it, and you're back doing something you know how to	and again, at least you like it, and you're back doing something you know how to do.
Definitely. And I think everybody's saying, you know, the pressure's on and that sort of thing, but, you know, the last five months, I've kind of been kept in a box from, you know, something I love doing, the passion of my life. And I think now, getting the opportunity to once again do it, you know, has just given me m...	definitely and i think everybody's saying you know the pressure's on and that sort of thing but you know the last five months i've kind of been kept in a box from you know something i love, doing the, passion of my life and, i think now getting the opportunity to once; again do it you know has just given me more fire a...	Definitely And I think everybody's saying you know the pressure's on. and that. sort of thing but you know the last five months I've kind of been kept in a; box from you know something I love, doing the. passion of my, life And, I think now getting the opportunity, to once again do, it you know has just given me more f...	definitely. and i think everybody's saying, you know, the pressure's on and that sort of thing, but, you know, the last five months, i've kind of been kept in a box from, you know, something i love doing, the passion of my life. and i think now, getting the opportunity to once again do it, you know, has just given me m...
And I also know that, well, there's a certain curiosity factor, and that you have been invited to participate in meets fairly soon. Are you planning to go?	and i also know that well there's a certain curiosity factor and that you have been, invited to participate in meets fairly soon are you planning to	And I also know that well there's a certain curiosity factor and that, you have been, invited to participate. in meets. fairly soon Are you planning to	and i also know that, well, there's a certain curiosity factor, and that you have been invited to participate in meets fairly soon. are you planning to go?
Yeah, I'm leaving next week, Wednesday, for Europe. I've got a couple of Paralympic meets, and then, in the beginning of July, I'm running in Milan and in Rome and in Switzerland in able-body international meets once again. So I'm extremely happy about that, and I'm really looking forward to it.	yeah i'm leaving next week wednesday for europe i've got a; couple of paralympic meets and then in the beginning of july i'm running in; milan and in rome and in switzerland in able-body international, meets once again so i'm extremely happy about that and i'm really looking forward, to	Yeah I'm. leaving next, week Wednesday for Europe I've, got a couple of Paralympic meets and then in the beginning. of July I'm running in Milan and in Rome and in Switzerland in able-body international meets. once again So I'm extremely happy about that and I'm really looking forward to	yeah, i'm leaving next week, wednesday, for europe. i've got a couple of paralympic meets, and then, in the beginning of july, i'm running in milan and in rome and in switzerland in able-body international meets once again. so i'm extremely happy about that, and i'm really looking forward to it.
And at that point, well, you've got your career back.	and at that point well you've got your career	And at that point. well you've got. your career	and at that point, well, you've got your career back.
Yeah, I mean, that, for me, you know - when we found out on Friday, when we found out there's a short ban in December from the IAA, it was a huge disappointment, and really - something that really got me down and dragged up a little speculation about the legs. And little did I know, it was going to be five or six month...	yeah i mean that for me, you know - when we found. out on friday when we, found out there's a short ban in december from the iaa it was a huge, disappointment and really, - something that really got me down and dragged up a little speculation about the legs and little did i know it was. going to be five or six months o...	Yeah I mean that for me you know - when we found out on. Friday when we found out there's a, short ban in December, from, the, IAA it, was, a huge disappointment and really - something that really got. me down. and dragged up a little speculation. about the legs And little, did I, know it was going to be, five or six m...	yeah, i mean, that, for me, you know - when we found out on friday, when we found out there's a short ban in december from the iaa, it was a huge disappointment, and really - something that really got me down and dragged up a little speculation about the legs. and little did i know, it was going to be five or six month...
And you know, we went through the different tests and the different trips and a lot of scientific studies and things, you know, and we proved that the prosthetic legs don't give me an advantage. But, you know, we're very lucky, and I'm very relieved, when the decision came out last week, Friday, just to be able to do w...	and you know we went through the different tests and the different trips. and a lot, of, scientific. studies and things you know and we proved that the prosthetic legs don't give me an advantage but you know we're very lucky and i'm very relieved when the decision came out last week friday just to be able to do what i ...	And you know, we went through the different tests and the different, trips and a lot of scientific studies and things you know and, we proved that the. prosthetic legs don't give me an advantage But you know we're very lucky, and I'm very, relieved when the decision, came out last week Friday just to be. able to do wha...	and you know, we went through the different tests and the different trips and a lot of scientific studies and things, you know, and we proved that the prosthetic legs don't give me an advantage. but, you know, we're very lucky, and i'm very relieved, when the decision came out last week, friday, just to be able to do w...
There are people who are upset with this. We have an email from one of them, Ryan in Alexandria. This is a pure case of apples to oranges versus apples to apples. Allowing Oscar Pistorius to compete in Beijing is unfair. I commend him for becoming a superior athlete despite the loss of his legs, but studies on the blad...	there are people who are upset with this we have an email from one of them ryan in alexandria this is a pure. case of apples to oranges versus. apples to apples allowing oscar pistorius to compete in beijing is unfair i commend him for becoming a superior athlete; despite the loss of his, legs but studies on the blades...	There are people who, are upset with this We have an email from one of them Ryan in, Alexandria This is a pure case of apples to oranges versus apples to apples Allowing Oscar Pistorius to compete in Beijing, is unfair. I commend him for becoming a superior athlete despite the loss of his legs but studies on the blades...	there are people who are upset with this. we have an email from one of them, ryan in alexandria. this is a pure case of apples to oranges versus apples to apples. allowing oscar pistorius to compete in beijing is unfair. i commend him for becoming a superior athlete despite the loss of his legs, but studies on the blad...
Yeah, I mean, you know, it was just that the tests that we conducted were done by some of the top biomechanic and climatic scientists in the world, and we did the tests over 21 days. But you know, obviously, these emails don't react (unintelligible).	yeah i mean you know it was just that the tests that we, conducted were done, by some of the, top biomechanic and climatic scientists in the world and we did the tests over 21 days but you know obviously these emails don't, react	Yeah I mean you know it was just that the tests that we conducted were done, by some of the top biomechanic and, climatic scientists in the world and we did. the. tests over 21 days But you know obviously these emails don't react	yeah, i mean, you know, it was just that the tests that we conducted were done by some of the top biomechanic and climatic scientists in the world, and we did the tests over 21 days. but you know, obviously, these emails don't react (unintelligible).
Let's see if we can get a listener on the line, and this is Brett, Brett with us from Champaign, Illinois.	let's see if we can get a listener on the line. and this is brett brett with us from champaign,	Let's see if we can get a listener on. the line and this is Brett Brett with us from Champaign	let's see if we can get a listener on the line, and this is brett, brett with us from champaign, illinois.
Hey, how you doing, Oscar?	hey how you doing,	Hey how, you doing	hey, how you doing, oscar?
Well, I actually didn't lose my legs when I was little. I had an accident about two years ago, and I fell about 75 feet and lost my legs. And you know, I'm never going to be able to run again, but I really look up to you for all that you've done. And I think it's really unfair for someone to say that it's an advantage ...	well i actually didn't lose my legs, when. i was little i, had an accident. about two. years ago and i fell about 75 feet and lost my legs and, you know. i'm never going. to be able to run again but i really look up to you for all that you've done and i think, it's really unfair for someone to say that it's an advantag...	Well I actually didn't lose my legs when I was little I had an accident about two years ago and I fell about 75 feet and lost my legs And you know I'm never going to be able to run again but. I really look up to you for all that you've done And I think; it's really unfair for someone to say that it's an advantage becau...	well, i actually didn't lose my legs when i was little. i had an accident about two years ago, and i fell about 75 feet and lost my legs. and you know, i'm never going to be able to run again, but i really look up to you for all that you've done. and i think it's really unfair for someone to say that it's an advantage ...
Brett, give us some idea what's it like to learn how to walk much less run on artificial legs?	brett give us some, idea what's it like to learn how to walk much less run on artificial.	Brett give us some idea what's it like. to learn how to, walk much less run on artificial	brett, give us some idea what's it like to learn how to walk much less run on artificial legs?
It really was just an experience for me that, you know, it was hard. It was about a year and a half of therapy and, you know, learning to walk again at 18 years old isn't something that I looked up - or, you know, wanted to do, obviously, but even though running - I mean, I can't imagine that. And, you know, I've been ...	it really was just an experience for me that you know it was hard it was about a year and a half of therapy and you know learning to walk again at, 18 years old isn't something that i looked up - or you know wanted to do, obviously but even though running - i mean i can't imagine that and you know i've been following o...	It really was just an experience for me that you know it was hard, It was about a year and a half of. therapy and you know learning to walk again at. 18 years old isn't something that I looked up - or you know wanted to do obviously but even though, running - I mean I. can't. imagine that And you know I've been followi...	it really was just an experience for me that, you know, it was hard. it was about a year and a half of therapy and, you know, learning to walk again at 18 years old isn't something that i looked up - or, you know, wanted to do, obviously, but even though running - i mean, i can't imagine that. and, you know, i've been ...
Thank you so much.	thank you so,	Thank you so	thank you so much.
And Brett, good luck to you.	and brett good luck to	And. Brett good luck to.	and brett, good luck to you.