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Yeah, because - I don't mean negotiate more. I mean actually see what they've come up with because it's going to be a thousand or more pages long, and it deals with other government agencies, as well. And it's just not responsible to, you know, get a thousand page piece of legislation and, 24 hours later, have to vote ... | yeah because - i don't mean negotiate more i mean actually see what they've come up with because it's going to. be a thousand or, more pages long and it deals with other government agencies as well and it's just not responsible to you, know get a thousand; page piece of; legislation. and 24 hours later have to vote on | Yeah because - I don't mean negotiate more I mean actually see what they've come up with, because it's going, to be a thousand or more pages long and it deals with other government agencies, as well And it's. just not responsible to you know get a thousand page piece of legislation and 24 hours later have to vote on | yeah, because - i don't mean negotiate more. i mean actually see what they've come up with because it's going to be a thousand or more pages long, and it deals with other government agencies, as well. and it's just not responsible to, you know, get a thousand page piece of legislation and, 24 hours later, have to vote ... |
In the meantime, there's, say, an executive action to bypass Congress and divert money into wall construction. There's a possibility of declaring a national emergency. There is executive authority to tap funds elsewhere. The White House has a lot of options, and they've alluded to the idea that they might be willing to... | in the meantime there's say an executive action to bypass congress, and divert money into, wall construction there's a, possibility of declaring a national emergency, there. is executive authority to tap, funds elsewhere the white, house has a lot of. options and they've alluded to the idea that they might be willing t... | In the meantime there's say, an executive action to bypass Congress and divert. money into wall construction There's a possibility of. declaring a. national emergency There is, executive, authority to. tap funds elsewhere The White House has a, lot of options and they've alluded to the idea that they might be willing t... | in the meantime, there's, say, an executive action to bypass congress and divert money into wall construction. there's a possibility of declaring a national emergency. there is executive authority to tap funds elsewhere. the white house has a lot of options, and they've alluded to the idea that they might be willing to... |
I think they're likely to not necessarily declare a national emergency. I think that's something that would set a really problematic precedent for future presidents. I mean, if Kamala Harris were president, then what does she do with that authority? You see what I mean? But there are other authorities, short of declari... | i think they're likely to. not necessarily declare, a national, emergency. i think that's something, that would set a really problematic precedent for future presidents. i mean if kamala harris were president then, what does she do with that authority? you see what. i mean? but, there are other. authorities short of de... | I think they're likely to not necessarily declare a national emergency I think that's something that would set, a really problematic precedent for future presidents I mean if. Kamala Harris were president, then, what does she. do with, that authority? You see. what I, mean? But there are other authorities short of decl... | i think they're likely to not necessarily declare a national emergency. i think that's something that would set a really problematic precedent for future presidents. i mean, if kamala harris were president, then what does she do with that authority? you see what i mean? but there are other authorities, short of declari... |
So basically, your objection to that is, when you're not the party in power, that becomes a lot less appealing. | so basically your objection to that. is when you're not the party, in power that becomes a lot less | So basically your objection to that is when you're not the; party in power that becomes a lot less | so basically, your objection to that is, when you're not the party in power, that becomes a lot less appealing. |
That's why you have a lot of the protections, whether it's in legislative or executive branch - because you don't want to be on the receiving end of things like that because you're not always going to be in power. | that's why you have a lot of the protections whether it's. in legislative or executive branch - because you don't want, to be on the receiving end of things. like that because you're not always going to be in, | That's why you have a lot of the protections whether it's in legislative or executive, branch, - because you don't want to be on the receiving end of things like that, because you're not always going to be in | that's why you have a lot of the protections, whether it's in legislative or executive branch - because you don't want to be on the receiving end of things like that because you're not always going to be in power. |
You've said you're not a wall or bust guy. But why do you think the wall's such important shorthand? | you've said you're not. a wall, or bust guy. but why do you think the wall's such important | You've said you're not a wall, or bust guy But why do you think the wall's such important, | you've said you're not a wall or bust guy. but why do you think the wall's such important shorthand? |
It's shorthand - it's not symbolic because we actually do need more fencing, more barriers on the border. But it was, I think, a way for the president to communicate to people during the campaign that he was serious about border enforcement, unlike other candidates before him. | it's shorthand - it's not symbolic because we actually do need more fencing more barriers on the border but it was i think a way for the. president to communicate to people during the campaign that he was serious. about border enforcement unlike other. candidates before | It's shorthand, - it's not symbolic because we actually do need more fencing more barriers on; the border But it was I think a way for the president to communicate to people during the campaign, that he, was serious. about border enforcement unlike. other candidates before | it's shorthand - it's not symbolic because we actually do need more fencing, more barriers on the border. but it was, i think, a way for the president to communicate to people during the campaign that he was serious about border enforcement, unlike other candidates before him. |
Is it a problem now? | is it a problem | Is it a problem | is it a problem now? |
Yeah, I think he's - the problem is he kind of talked himself into a box by emphasizing the wall so much. And you know, the - I mean, while it's important, there are other measures that are more important - change if - plugging loopholes in asylum law; the E-Verify system, which makes it harder for illegal immigrants t... | yeah i think he's - the problem is he kind of talked, himself into a box by emphasizing, the wall so much and you know. the - i mean while it's important there are other measures that are more important - change if - plugging loopholes in asylum law the e-verify system which makes it harder for illegal immigrants to ge... | Yeah I think he's - the problem is he kind, of talked himself into a box by emphasizing the; wall so much And you know the - I mean while it's important there are, other, measures; that are more important - change if - plugging loopholes in asylum law the E-Verify system which. makes. it harder for illegal immigrants, ... | yeah, i think he's - the problem is he kind of talked himself into a box by emphasizing the wall so much. and you know, the - i mean, while it's important, there are other measures that are more important - change if - plugging loopholes in asylum law; the e-verify system, which makes it harder for illegal immigrants t... |
At the same time, this administration has faced several legal setbacks when it has tried to draw restrictions around immigration or asylum. From where you sit, are they making progress for the agenda for people who want restrictive immigration policy? | at the. same time this administration has faced several legal setbacks when it. has tried to draw restrictions around. immigration or asylum, from where you sit are they making progress for the agenda for people who want restrictive immigration | At the same time this administration has faced several legal setbacks when it has tried to draw restrictions around immigration or asylum From where you sit are they making progress for the agenda for people, who want restrictive immigration | at the same time, this administration has faced several legal setbacks when it has tried to draw restrictions around immigration or asylum. from where you sit, are they making progress for the agenda for people who want restrictive immigration policy? |
I think the answer is yes. The difference is that when this administration started, both its supporters and opponents thought this would be a kind of shock and awe, you know, rolling over the opposition, when in fact, this is more a matter of trench warfare, metaphorically. And so success is going to be measured in inc... | i think the answer is yes the difference is that when this administration started, both. its supporters and opponents thought, this would be a kind of shock and awe you know rolling. over the opposition when in fact, this is more a matter of trench warfare metaphorically and so success is going to be measured in inches... | I think the answer is yes The difference is that. when this administration started both. its. supporters and opponents thought this would be a kind, of shock; and awe you know rolling over the opposition when in fact. this is, more a matter of trench warfare metaphorically And so success is going to be measured in inch... | i think the answer is yes. the difference is that when this administration started, both its supporters and opponents thought this would be a kind of shock and awe, you know, rolling over the opposition, when in fact, this is more a matter of trench warfare, metaphorically. and so success is going to be measured in inc... |
Mark Krikorian is the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. Thank you for coming in. | mark krikorian is the executive director of the center. for immigration studies thank you for coming, | Mark Krikorian is the. executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies Thank you for coming | mark krikorian is the executive director of the center for immigration studies. thank you for coming in. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Good morning. I'm Rachel Martin with more evidence that ancient Egyptians really did love cats. Archaeologists excavating a 4,500-year-old tomb near Cairo recently found dozens of mummified felines. There were wooden cat statues and a bronze casting of Bastet, the goddess of cats. The Ministry of Antiquities tweeted ou... | good morning i'm, rachel martin, with more evidence that ancient, egyptians really did love cats archaeologists excavating a 4,500-year-old tomb. near cairo recently found dozens of mummified; felines; there were wooden cat statues and a bronze casting of bastet the goddess. of cats the ministry of antiquities tweeted ... | Good morning I'm Rachel Martin with more evidence that ancient Egyptians really did love cats Archaeologists excavating a 4,500-year-old tomb near Cairo recently found dozens of mummified felines There were wooden cat statues and a bronze casting of Bastet the goddess of cats The Ministry of Antiquities tweeted out pho... | good morning. i'm rachel martin with more evidence that ancient egyptians really did love cats. archaeologists excavating a 4,500-year-old tomb near cairo recently found dozens of mummified felines. there were wooden cat statues and a bronze casting of bastet, the goddess of cats. the ministry of antiquities tweeted ou... |
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "FANCY") | (soundbite of song | (SOUNDBITE OF SONG | (soundbite of song, "fancy") |
(Rapping) First things first, I'm the realist. Drop this, and let the whole world feel it. | (rapping) first things first i'm the realist drop this and let the, whole, world feel | (Rapping) First, things first I'm the, realist Drop this and let the. whole world feel | (rapping) first things first, i'm the realist. drop this, and let the whole world feel it. |
This song was everywhere last summer. It's "Fancy" by Iggy Azalea. She was nominated for four Grammys, including record of the year and best rap album. And now, just a year later, Iggy Azalea has canceled her tour. She also dropped out of performing at Pittsburgh's gay pride event this weekend after several groups prot... | this song was everywhere last summer it's "fancy" by iggy azalea she was nominated for four grammys including record of the year and best rap album and now just a year later iggy azalea has canceled her tour she also dropped out; of performing at pittsburgh's gay pride event this weekend after several groups protested ... | This, song was everywhere last summer It's "Fancy" by Iggy Azalea She was; nominated for four Grammys including record of the. year and best rap album And now just a year later Iggy Azalea has canceled her tour She also dropped, out of performing at Pittsburgh's gay pride event this weekend after several groups protest... | this song was everywhere last summer. it's "fancy" by iggy azalea. she was nominated for four grammys, including record of the year and best rap album. and now, just a year later, iggy azalea has canceled her tour. she also dropped out of performing at pittsburgh's gay pride event this weekend after several groups prot... |
That's right. I mean, we'll see how that plays out long-term. But BP is on the hook for - if not all, a big chunk. | that's right, i mean; we'll see, how that. plays out long-term but bp is on the hook for - if. not all a, big | That's right I mean we'll see how that plays out. long-term, But BP is on the hook for - if not all a big | that's right. i mean, we'll see how that plays out long-term. but bp is on the hook for - if not all, a big chunk. |
And so I would go and down in weight, and one time I got really low. Right before I typically would go up, I got a little extra low. And people came to me and said, so are you a male model? And I was like, are you kidding me? I haven't had a date in two years. I don't think I'm a model. And at that time I was a 21-year... | and so, i would go and down in weight and one time i got really low right before i typically would go up i got a. little extra low and people came to me and said so are you a male model? and i was like are you, kidding me? i haven't had a date in two years i don't think i'm a model and at that time i was a 21-year-old ... | And so I would go and down in, weight and, one time I got really low Right before I typically would go up I got a little extra low And people came to me and, said so are you a male model? And I was like are, you kidding me? I haven't had a date in two years I don't think I'm a model And at that time I was, a 21-year-ol... | and so i would go and down in weight, and one time i got really low. right before i typically would go up, i got a little extra low. and people came to me and said, so are you a male model? and i was like, are you kidding me? i haven't had a date in two years. i don't think i'm a model. and at that time i was a 21-year... |
And the deal was, it wasn't if I was going to blow head gasket, it was when I was going to blow a head gasket. I thought by being a male model, that my life would be perfection, that these beautiful people - how can you be any happier? You can get the girl, you can get rid of that virginity thing you're ashamed of, and... | and the deal. was it wasn't if i was going to blow head, gasket it was when i was going to blow; a head gasket, i. thought by, being a male model that my life would be perfection that these beautiful; people - how can you be any happier? you. can get. the girl you can get rid of that virginity. thing you're ashamed of ... | And the deal was it wasn't. if I was going to blow head gasket it was when I was going to blow a head gasket I, thought by being a male model that my life would be perfection. that these beautiful people - how can you be any happier? You can get the girl you can get rid of that virginity thing you're ashamed of, and; t... | and the deal was, it wasn't if i was going to blow head gasket, it was when i was going to blow a head gasket. i thought by being a male model, that my life would be perfection, that these beautiful people - how can you be any happier? you can get the girl, you can get rid of that virginity thing you're ashamed of, and... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
And of course I was wrong. I mean I would do a fashion show, and about four days later I'd do a binge. And I'd go run 10 miles, 15 miles, get it off. Then the next time I'd be on TV, and then the binge would be two days later. Until one time I had a photo session with an awesome photographer, very famous, and I was luc... | and of course i, was, wrong i mean i would do a fashion show and about four days later i'd do a binge and i'd go run 10 miles. 15 miles get. it off then the next time i'd be on tv and then the binge. would be two days later until one time i had a photo session with an awesome photographer very famous and i was lucky to... | And of course I was wrong I mean I would do a fashion show, and about four, days later. I'd do a binge And I'd go run 10 miles 15 miles get; it off Then the, next time I'd be on TV and then the binge would. be two days later Until. one time I had a photo session. with an awesome photographer very. famous and, I was; lu... | and of course i was wrong. i mean i would do a fashion show, and about four days later i'd do a binge. and i'd go run 10 miles, 15 miles, get it off. then the next time i'd be on tv, and then the binge would be two days later. until one time i had a photo session with an awesome photographer, very famous, and i was luc... |
In an odd way, it sounds like what you're describing is an addiction. | in an odd way, it sounds like what you're. describing is an | In an odd way it sounds like what you're describing is an | in an odd way, it sounds like what you're describing is an addiction. |
Yeah, well, what it is is this. It's an addiction, yeah. It can be addiction. What happens is, all eating disorders serve what's call an adaptive function. They have a function in your life, and my function was that my eating disorder was how I managed stress and anxiety. I had a very chaotic childhood. It was tough on... | yeah well what it is is this. it's an addiction yeah it can be addiction what happens is all eating disorders serve. what's, call an adaptive. function they have a function in your life and my; function was that my. eating disorder. was how i managed stress and anxiety i had a very; chaotic childhood it was tough on me... | Yeah well. what it is is this It's an addiction yeah It can be addiction What happens is all eating disorders serve, what's. call an adaptive function They, have a function, in your life and my function was that my, eating disorder was how I managed stress and anxiety I had a very chaotic childhood It was tough on me a... | yeah, well, what it is is this. it's an addiction, yeah. it can be addiction. what happens is, all eating disorders serve what's call an adaptive function. they have a function in your life, and my function was that my eating disorder was how i managed stress and anxiety. i had a very chaotic childhood. it was tough on... |
And so as you get older and you go on and you learn that the way to get rid of anxiety and to block it out is to numb yourself with food - of course, when you do that at 11, 12, 15, 20, 30, you know, it stunts your growth and bad things happen. And so instead of facing a problem like normal people do and say what do I ... | and so as you get older and you go on and you learn that the way to get rid of anxiety and to block it out is to numb yourself with food - of course when you do that at 11, 12, 15, 20, 30, you know it stunts your growth and bad things happen and so instead of facing. a problem like normal people do and say. what do i d... | And so as you get older and you go, on and you learn that. the way to get rid of anxiety and to block it out is to numb yourself with food - of course when you do that at 11, 12, 15, 20, 30, you know it stunts your, growth and, bad things happen And so instead of facing a problem like normal people, do, and. say what d... | and so as you get older and you go on and you learn that the way to get rid of anxiety and to block it out is to numb yourself with food - of course, when you do that at 11, 12, 15, 20, 30, you know, it stunts your growth and bad things happen. and so instead of facing a problem like normal people do and say what do i ... |
And you're also hiding it from people. This is embarrassing. | and you're also hiding it from people this is | And you're also hiding it from people This. is | and you're also hiding it from people. this is embarrassing. |
Oh, exactly. And that's the one disorder - binge-eating disorder is the easiest to hide. I only got busted - 20 years of partying like a rock star, I got popped one time. And what it taught the moment I got caught, by my college roommate, eating all the cake and the box of Honeycombs, was that, one, I was hoping that h... | oh exactly and. that's the one disorder - binge-eating disorder is. the easiest to hide, i only got busted - 20 years of partying. like a rock star i got popped one time and what it taught the moment i got caught, by my college roommate eating all the cake and the box of, honeycombs was that one i was hoping that he wo... | Oh exactly And that's the one disorder. - binge-eating disorder is the. easiest to hide I only, got busted - 20 years of partying like. a rock star I, got popped one time And what it taught the moment I got. caught by my college roommate eating. all the, cake and the box. of Honeycombs was that one. I was hoping that h... | oh, exactly. and that's the one disorder - binge-eating disorder is the easiest to hide. i only got busted - 20 years of partying like a rock star, i got popped one time. and what it taught the moment i got caught, by my college roommate, eating all the cake and the box of honeycombs, was that, one, i was hoping that h... |
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Yeah, so binge eating disorder you just go off in your car like I did and you do your thing. No one knows. And everybody gains weight. Men - you know, we all get overweight. And so when you gain a bunch of weight, you're just obese like a lot of people are, they don't have an eating disorder. So it's easy to hide. It's... | yeah so binge eating disorder you just go off in your car like. i, did and you do your thing no one knows and everybody gains weight men - you know we all get overweight and so when you gain a bunch of weight you're just obese like a lot of people are they don't have an eating disorder, so it's easy to hide it's the mo... | Yeah so binge eating disorder you just go off in your car like I did and you do your thing No one knows And everybody gains; weight Men - you. know we all get overweight And so, when you gain. a bunch of weight you're, just obese like a lot of people are they don't. have, an eating disorder So it's easy to hide. It's t... | yeah, so binge eating disorder you just go off in your car like i did and you do your thing. no one knows. and everybody gains weight. men - you know, we all get overweight. and so when you gain a bunch of weight, you're just obese like a lot of people are, they don't have an eating disorder. so it's easy to hide. it's... |
Let's see if we can get some listeners in on the conversation. We're talking with Ron Saxen, a former male model who's written about his eating disorder in a book called "The Good Eater." If you'd like to join us: 800-989-8255, 800-989-TALK. The e-mail address is talk@npr.org. And a reminder of our blog, Blog of the Na... | let's see if we can get some listeners in on the conversation. we're talking with ron saxen a former male model who's written about his eating disorder in a book called. "the good eater" if you'd like to join us: 800-989-8255, 800-989-talk the e-mail address is talk@npr.org and a reminder of our blog blog of the nation... | Let's see if we can get some. listeners in on the conversation We're talking with Ron Saxen. a former male model who's written about. his eating disorder in a book called, "The Good Eater" If you'd like to join us: 800-989-8255, 800-989-TALK The e-mail address, is talk@npr.org And, a reminder of our blog Blog of the Na... | let's see if we can get some listeners in on the conversation. we're talking with ron saxen, a former male model who's written about his eating disorder in a book called "the good eater." if you'd like to join us: 800-989-8255, 800-989-talk. the e-mail address is talk@npr.org. and a reminder of our blog, blog of the na... |
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Jim. | jim. | ||
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I'm glad to be on the show. | i'm glad to, be on the. | I'm glad to be on the | i'm glad to be on the show. |
Yes, go ahead, please. | yes go ahead | Yes go ahead | yes, go ahead, please. |
I have experienced a lot of what you've been talking about. I'm now 40 years old, but probably since about the time I was 18 is when I started lifting weights, and I started binge-eating to try to gain weight. And I thought that if I could have this perfect look and this perfect body, that women would be attracted to m... | i have experienced, a lot of what you've been talking about i'm now 40 years old but probably since about the time i was 18 is when i started lifting; weights. and i started binge-eating to try to gain. weight and i thought that if i could have this perfect look and this perfect body that women would. be attracted to m... | I have experienced a, lot of what you've been talking about I'm now 40 years old but; probably since about the time I was 18 is when I started lifting weights and I started binge-eating, to try, to gain. weight, And. I thought that if I could have this perfect look and this perfect body that women would be attracted to... | i have experienced a lot of what you've been talking about. i'm now 40 years old, but probably since about the time i was 18 is when i started lifting weights, and i started binge-eating to try to gain weight. and i thought that if i could have this perfect look and this perfect body, that women would be attracted to m... |
And I still experience that today. I'm 40 years old, I'm married, I have two children, but I still go through bouts where I will eat and - binge-eat - and then I will go to the gym, and I'll try and lose weight, and then I'll change my eating immediately. And it just - it drives my wife crazy, and it drives - and I sti... | and i; still experience that today i'm 40 years old i'm married, i. have two children, but i still go through bouts where i will eat and - binge-eat - and then i, will go to the gym and i'll. try and lose weight and then i'll change my eating immediately and it just - it drives my wife crazy and it drives - and i still... | And I still experience that today I'm 40 years old I'm married I have two children but; I, still go through bouts where. I. will eat and - binge-eat - and then I will go to the gym and I'll try and lose weight, and. then I'll change my eating immediately And it; just - it drives my. wife, crazy and it drives - and I st... | and i still experience that today. i'm 40 years old, i'm married, i have two children, but i still go through bouts where i will eat and - binge-eat - and then i will go to the gym, and i'll try and lose weight, and then i'll change my eating immediately. and it just - it drives my wife crazy, and it drives - and i sti... |
And I was talking to the producer earlier, and I said that I also experience body dysmorphia, where I think - I used to think I was really skinny. And now, you know, and I look at pictures of me when I was lifting weights, and I'm like I was pretty big. And I always had this image in mind that I was a smaller person th... | and i was talking to the producer earlier and i said that i also experience body dysmorphia where i think - i, used to think i was, really skinny and now you know and i. look at, pictures of. me, when i was lifting weights and i'm like i was pretty big and i always had this image in mind that i was a smaller person tha... | And I was talking to the producer, earlier and I said that I also experience. body dysmorphia where I think. - I used to think I was really skinny And now you know and I look at pictures of me when I. was lifting weights and I'm like I was pretty big And I always had this image in mind that I, was a smaller person than... | and i was talking to the producer earlier, and i said that i also experience body dysmorphia, where i think - i used to think i was really skinny. and now, you know, and i look at pictures of me when i was lifting weights, and i'm like i was pretty big. and i always had this image in mind that i was a smaller person th... |
Yeah, and have you gotten help I wonder, Jim? | yeah and have you gotten help i wonder | Yeah and, have you gotten help I wonder | yeah, and have you gotten help i wonder, jim? |
No, I never - I've been through counseling through issues in my life as far as having a mother who was an alcoholic. But as far as specific issues on eating and things like that, I never actually went to a counselor. I'm still kind of, I think, embarrassed and ashamed about that. | no i. never - i've been through counseling through issues in, my life as far. as having a mother who was an alcoholic but as far as specific issues on eating and things like that i never actually went to a counselor i'm still kind of i think embarrassed and ashamed about | No I never; - I've been. through counseling through issues in my life as far as having a mother who was an alcoholic But as far as; specific issues on eating and. things like that I never actually went to a counselor I'm still kind of I think embarrassed. and. ashamed about | no, i never - i've been through counseling through issues in my life as far as having a mother who was an alcoholic. but as far as specific issues on eating and things like that, i never actually went to a counselor. i'm still kind of, i think, embarrassed and ashamed about that. |
But now you have gone to a counselor for other things, right? | but now you have gone to a counselor for other things | But now you have gone to a counselor for other things | but now you have gone to a counselor for other things, right? |
For - yeah, yeah. | for - yeah. | For - yeah | for - yeah, yeah. |
So if you've done the deed and you've gone to a counselor for something, that says a lot about you because that's something I didn't want to do. There's no way I wanted to cross that threshold into craziness, because -you know, you're not crazy. But I would say if you've had the guts to embrace this other issue that yo... | so, if you've, done the deed and you've gone. to. a counselor for, something that says a lot about you because that's something i, didn't want to do there's no way i wanted to, cross that, threshold into craziness because -you know you're not crazy but i would say if you've had the guts. to embrace this other issue tha... | So if you've done the deed and you've. gone to a counselor for, something that says a lot about you because that's something I didn't want to do There's no way I wanted to cross that threshold into craziness because -you know you're not crazy But I would say if, you've had the guts to embrace this other issue that you'... | so if you've done the deed and you've gone to a counselor for something, that says a lot about you because that's something i didn't want to do. there's no way i wanted to cross that threshold into craziness, because -you know, you're not crazy. but i would say if you've had the guts to embrace this other issue that yo... |
I didn't… | i | I | i didn't… |
And it's not uncommon - go ahead. | and it's not uncommon - go | And it's not uncommon - go | and it's not uncommon - go ahead. |
I didn't even realize that - I didn't think about the severity of what I was doing until, you know, I met my wife and she pointed out these unusual eating patterns and - the binge eating and then switching to eating very healthy, and going back and forth. And I just thought that was, you know, I wanted to make my body ... | i didn't even realize that - i didn't think about the severity of what. i was doing. until you know i met my, wife and she pointed out; these unusual eating patterns and - the binge eating and then switching to eating very healthy and going back and forth and i. just thought that was you know i wanted to make, my body ... | I didn't even realize that, - I didn't think about the severity of what I was doing until you know I met my wife and she pointed out these unusual eating patterns and - the binge eating and then switching, to eating very healthy and going back and forth And, I, just thought that was. you know I wanted to make my body b... | i didn't even realize that - i didn't think about the severity of what i was doing until, you know, i met my wife and she pointed out these unusual eating patterns and - the binge eating and then switching to eating very healthy, and going back and forth. and i just thought that was, you know, i wanted to make my body ... |
Sure. | sure. | ||
…and work out really hard, and… | …and work out really hard | …and work out really hard | …and work out really hard, and… |
So two - mm-hmm... | so two | So two | so two - mm-hmm... |
…and then all of a sudden, I'd go to the other way and just total be out of control and eating fast food and gaining weight and everything. And I - like I said, I still struggle with that today. | …and then all of a sudden i'd go to the other, way and just total be out of control and eating fast food and gaining weight and everything, and i. - like i said i, still struggle with that | …and then all. of a sudden I'd go to, the other way and, just total be out of control, and eating fast food and gaining weight and everything And I - like I said I still struggle with that | …and then all of a sudden, i'd go to the other way and just total be out of control and eating fast food and gaining weight and everything. and i - like i said, i still struggle with that today. |
Yeah, there's a lot there. You know, one of the things that you touched on was something called cognitive distortion, that basically not perceiving things accurately. You see yourself as... | yeah there's a lot there you know one, of the things that you touched on was something called cognitive, distortion that basically not perceiving things accurately you see yourself | Yeah. there's a lot there You know one of the things that you touched on was something called cognitive. distortion that basically not perceiving. things accurately You see yourself | yeah, there's a lot there. you know, one of the things that you touched on was something called cognitive distortion, that basically not perceiving things accurately. you see yourself as... |
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...oh, I'm too skinny back then, and the truth about it, you wasn't. But the - I'm sorry, I lost track of what you were talking about. It was a good point that I was going... | ...oh i'm, too skinny back then and the truth about it you wasn't but the, - i'm sorry i. lost track of what you were, talking about it was a good point that i was | ...oh I'm too skinny back then and the, truth about it you wasn't But the - I'm sorry I lost. track of what, you were talking about It was a good point, that I was | ...oh, i'm too skinny back then, and the truth about it, you wasn't. but the - i'm sorry, i lost track of what you were talking about. it was a good point that i was going... |
Just about the binge eating and going back and... | just about. the binge eating and going. back | Just about the binge eating and going, back | just about the binge eating and going back and... |
OK, OK, here - thank you very much for keeping me on track. The deal is that, you know, the DSM-IV, which is this psychological thing, it says to be classified as BED, you've got to do it twice a week for six months. Of course, that's where I was at one point in my life, and the goal is not to get there. | ok ok here - thank; you very much for keeping. me on track the deal is that you know the dsm-iv which is this psychological thing it says to be. classified as bed you've got to. do it twice a week for six months of course that's where i was at. one point. in my life and the goal is not to. get. | OK. OK here; - thank you very much for keeping me on track The deal is that you know the DSM-IV which is. this. psychological thing it. says to be classified as BED you've got to do it twice a week. for, six months Of, course that's where I was at one point in my life and the goal is not to get | ok, ok, here - thank you very much for keeping me on track. the deal is that, you know, the dsm-iv, which is this psychological thing, it says to be classified as bed, you've got to do it twice a week for six months. of course, that's where i was at one point in my life, and the goal is not to get there. |
You don't wait till you're there and then try to deal with it, because then it's really sucks, because it's a lot to come back from. But if you've got things that you're doing now that are disordered eating acts - like when I was 11, I had disordered eating acts, but I did not have BED. So if you can stop this along th... | you don't, wait till you're there and. then try to deal with, it because then it's really sucks because. it's a lot to come back from but if, you've got things that you're doing now that are. disordered eating acts - like when i was 11, i had disordered eating acts but, i did not have bed; so if you can stop this along... | You don't wait till you're there and then try to deal, with, it because then it's really sucks because it's a lot to come back from But if you've. got, things that you're doing now that are disordered eating acts - like when I was 11, I had disordered eating acts but I did not have BED So if you. can stop this, along t... | you don't wait till you're there and then try to deal with it, because then it's really sucks, because it's a lot to come back from. but if you've got things that you're doing now that are disordered eating acts - like when i was 11, i had disordered eating acts, but i did not have bed. so if you can stop this along th... |
Now there's one other thing. There's book out there called (unintelligible) and I bet you eat healthy, but you also eat things that you don't like mentally and physically. | now there's one other thing there's book out there called (unintelligible) and i bet you eat healthy but you also eat things that you don't like mentally and | Now there's one other thing; There's book out there called (unintelligible) and I bet you eat healthy but you also eat things that you don't like mentally and | now there's one other thing. there's book out there called (unintelligible) and i bet you eat healthy, but you also eat things that you don't like mentally and physically. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
So when you deprive yourself, when you're being this health thing that you're doing, then suddenly you're not getting satiation in your body and your mind. And then suddenly you get sick of that, and then you go off on a bad eating situation instead of a healthy eating situation. So I recommend that book. It talks abou... | so when you deprive yourself when you're being this, health thing that you're doing then suddenly you're not getting, satiation in your body and your mind and then, suddenly you get sick of that and, then you go off on a bad eating situation instead of; a. healthy eating situation so. i recommend that book it talks abo... | So when you deprive yourself when you're being this health thing that, you're doing then suddenly. you're not getting satiation in your body and your mind And then; suddenly you get sick of that. and then you go off on. a bad eating. situation instead of a healthy eating situation So I recommend that book It talks abou... | so when you deprive yourself, when you're being this health thing that you're doing, then suddenly you're not getting satiation in your body and your mind. and then suddenly you get sick of that, and then you go off on a bad eating situation instead of a healthy eating situation. so i recommend that book. it talks abou... |
Jim… | jim… | ||
So I think that would be very helpful for you. | so. i think that would be very helpful for | So I think that would be very helpful for. | so i think that would be very helpful for you. |
Jim, good luck to you. | jim good luck to | Jim good luck to | jim, good luck to you. |
OK, thanks. Thanks for your time. | ok thanks thanks for your; | OK thanks Thanks for your | ok, thanks. thanks for your time. |
And Ron Saxen, thank you so much for joining us today. | and ron saxen thank you so much for joining us | And Ron Saxen thank you so much for joining us | and ron saxen, thank you so much for joining us today. |
Thank you for having me on. | thank you for having me | Thank you for having me | thank you for having me on. |
Ron Saxen is the author of "The Good Eater." He joined us today from Berkeley, California. And you're listening to TALK OF THE NATION, which is coming to you - if you'd like to join the conversation: 800-989-8255. That's 800-989-TALK. E-mail: talk@npr.org. This is NPR News. | ron saxen is the author of "the good eater" he joined us today, from berkeley california and you're listening to talk of the nation which is coming. to you - if you'd like to join the conversation: 800-989-8255. that's. 800-989-talk e-mail: talk@npr.org this is npr | Ron Saxen. is, the author of "The Good Eater" He joined us today from Berkeley California And you're listening to TALK OF THE NATION which is coming to you - if you'd like to join the conversation: 800-989-8255. That's 800-989-TALK E-mail: talk@npr.org This is NPR | ron saxen is the author of "the good eater." he joined us today from berkeley, california. and you're listening to talk of the nation, which is coming to you - if you'd like to join the conversation: 800-989-8255. that's 800-989-talk. e-mail: talk@npr.org. this is npr news. |
And we're going to be joined by a doctor who treats eating disorders after we get back from a break. Again, if you'd like to join the conversation, give us a call: 800-989-8255, 800-989-TALK. The e-mail address: talk@npr.org. | and we're going to be joined by a doctor who treats eating. disorders after we get. back from a break again, if you'd like. to join. the conversation give us a call: 800-989-8255, 800-989-talk the; e-mail | And we're going to be joined by a doctor who treats eating. disorders after we get back from a break Again if you'd like to join the conversation. give us; a call: 800-989-8255, 800-989-TALK The e-mail | and we're going to be joined by a doctor who treats eating disorders after we get back from a break. again, if you'd like to join the conversation, give us a call: 800-989-8255, 800-989-talk. the e-mail address: talk@npr.org. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan, in Washington. | this is talk of the, nation i'm neal conan in | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal Conan in, | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan, in washington. |
We're talking today about eating disorders. Long associated with women and girls, now a new study shows that more men suffer from anorexia, bulimia and binge eating than previously thought. And joining us now is Dr. Terrill Bravender, director of adolescent medicine at the Duke University Medical Center, who treats peo... | we're talking today about eating disorders long associated with women and girls, now, a new study shows, that more men. suffer from anorexia, bulimia and binge eating than previously thought and. joining us, now is dr terrill bravender director of adolescent medicine at. the duke university medical center who treats pe... | We're talking today about eating disorders Long associated with women and girls now a new study shows that more men suffer from anorexia bulimia and binge eating than previously thought And joining us now is Dr Terrill. Bravender director of adolescent medicine at the Duke, University Medical Center who treats people w... | we're talking today about eating disorders. long associated with women and girls, now a new study shows that more men suffer from anorexia, bulimia and binge eating than previously thought. and joining us now is dr. terrill bravender, director of adolescent medicine at the duke university medical center, who treats peo... |
Hi, Neal, thanks for having me on. | hi neal thanks for having me | Hi Neal thanks for having me | hi, neal, thanks for having me on. |
And we'd like to welcome those of you listeners who face this problem or know someone who has to give us a call at 800-989-8255, 800-989-TALK. E-mail is talk@npr.org. | and we'd like to welcome those of. you listeners who face, this problem or know. someone who has to give us a call at 800-989-8255, 800-989-talk e-mail. is | And we'd like to welcome those of you listeners who face this problem or know someone; who has to give us a, call at 800-989-8255, 800-989-TALK, E-mail is | and we'd like to welcome those of you listeners who face this problem or know someone who has to give us a call at 800-989-8255, 800-989-talk. e-mail is talk@npr.org. |
And Dr. Bravender, we just heard Ron Saxen talking earlier, and some of the callers with him - men are very reluctant to get help. | and dr bravender we just. heard ron saxen, talking earlier and some of the callers with him - men are very reluctant to get | And Dr, Bravender we just heard Ron Saxen talking earlier and some of, the, callers with him - men are very reluctant to get | and dr. bravender, we just heard ron saxen talking earlier, and some of the callers with him - men are very reluctant to get help. |
Well, you know, if you look at all medical visits for any reason at all in adolescents and young adults, about 65 to 70 percent of all those visits are by women. So very, very few men go to the doctor for anything at all. And I think when it comes to a mental health issue, men are even more reluctant to come in and get... | well you know if you; look at all medical visits for any reason at. all in adolescents and young. adults about, 65 to 70 percent of all those visits are by women so very very few men go to the doctor for anything at all and i think, when; it, comes to a mental health issue men are even more reluctant to come in and get... | Well you know if you look at, all medical visits for any reason at all in adolescents and young adults; about, 65 to 70 percent of all those visits are by women So very very few men go to the doctor for anything at all, And I think when it comes to a mental health issue men are even more reluctant to come in and get he... | well, you know, if you look at all medical visits for any reason at all in adolescents and young adults, about 65 to 70 percent of all those visits are by women. so very, very few men go to the doctor for anything at all. and i think when it comes to a mental health issue, men are even more reluctant to come in and get... |
Mm-hmm. And the reluctance also is because it's a condition associated with women. | mm-hmm and the reluctance also is because it's a condition associated with | Mm-hmm And, the reluctance also is because it's a condition associated with | mm-hmm. and the reluctance also is because it's a condition associated with women. |
And I know that probably about 10 years ago there were a number of high profile deaths on division one college wresting teams that made the NCAA take a better look at this and put in some stricter controls. But anybody who deals with high school or college athletes knows that it continues, particularly with wrestling t... | and i know, that probably, about 10 years ago there were a number of high profile deaths on division one college wresting teams that made the ncaa. take a better look at this and; put in; some. stricter controls but anybody who deals with high school or, college athletes knows that it continues particularly with. wrest... | And I know that probably about 10 years ago there, were a number of high profile deaths on; division one college wresting teams that made the NCAA take a better look at this, and put in some stricter controls But anybody who deals with high school or college athletes knows that it continues particularly with wrestling | and i know that probably about 10 years ago there were a number of high profile deaths on division one college wresting teams that made the ncaa take a better look at this and put in some stricter controls. but anybody who deals with high school or college athletes knows that it continues, particularly with wrestling t... |
They just reported very good first-quarter profits. I suspect the second quarter may not be so good. | they just reported, very good. first-quarter profits i suspect the second quarter may not be so | They just reported very good first-quarter profits I suspect the. second quarter; may not be so | they just reported very good first-quarter profits. i suspect the second quarter may not be so good. |
Well, exactly. And I think that women who come in for treatment for an eating disorder illicit a whole team approach. And the first thing that people will think of, I think, if a woman comes in with symptoms of anorexia is anorexia. Back when I was a resident in training about 15 years ago, I was taught that any adoles... | well exactly and i think that women who come in for treatment for an, eating disorder illicit a whole team approach and the first; thing that people will think of i think if a woman comes, in with symptoms of anorexia is anorexia back, when i was a resident in training, about 15 years ago. i was taught that any. adoles... | Well exactly And I think that women who come in for treatment for an eating disorder. illicit, a whole team approach, And the first thing, that people. will think, of I think if a woman, comes in. with symptoms of anorexia is. anorexia. Back when I was a resident in training about 15 years ago I was taught that any ado... | well, exactly. and i think that women who come in for treatment for an eating disorder illicit a whole team approach. and the first thing that people will think of, i think, if a woman comes in with symptoms of anorexia is anorexia. back when i was a resident in training about 15 years ago, i was taught that any adoles... |
Here's an e-mail we have from one of our listeners named Tony. My 15-year-old son has been in the hospital for the past two weeks with an eating disorder. We're not sure how long he will be hospitalized. His problems are very complex. He's truly suffering with gender identity, among many other issues. Since this is con... | here's an. e-mail we have from one of our listeners named tony my 15-year-old son has been in the hospital for, the past two weeks with an, eating disorder we're not sure how long he will be hospitalized his problems are very complex he's truly suffering with gender identity among many other issues since this is consid... | Here's an e-mail we have from one of. our listeners named Tony, My 15-year-old son has been in; the hospital for. the past two weeks with an eating disorder We're not sure how long he will be hospitalized His problems are very complex He's truly suffering with gender identity among many other issues Since this, is cons... | here's an e-mail we have from one of our listeners named tony. my 15-year-old son has been in the hospital for the past two weeks with an eating disorder. we're not sure how long he will be hospitalized. his problems are very complex. he's truly suffering with gender identity, among many other issues. since this is con... |
I'm wondering with a kid that's suffering from a gender issue, is it healthy for him to be with a group of girls in therapy? Does this make it more difficult for his recovery? Any insight you might provide would be helpful. | i'm wondering with a kid that's suffering from a gender issue is it healthy for. him to be with, a group of girls in therapy? does this make it more difficult for his recovery? any. insight you. might, provide would be | I'm wondering with a kid that's suffering from a gender. issue is it healthy for him to be with a group; of girls in therapy? Does this make it more difficult for his, recovery? Any insight you might provide would be, | i'm wondering with a kid that's suffering from a gender issue, is it healthy for him to be with a group of girls in therapy? does this make it more difficult for his recovery? any insight you might provide would be helpful. |
That's, you know, that's a tough issue, and that's one that we struggle with down here. And I've had a number of my male patients say that they feel very unusual coming into our eating disorders program because the waiting room is always filled with girls and young women. I think that number one issue for this boy is t... | that's you know that's a. tough issue and that's one that we struggle with, down here and i've had a number of my, male patients say that they feel very unusual coming into our eating disorders program because the waiting room is always filled with girls and young. women i think that number one issue for this boy is to... | That's you know that's, a tough issue and that's one that we struggle with down here And I've. had a, number of my male patients say that they feel very unusual coming into our eating disorders; program because the waiting room is, always filled with girls and young women I think that number one issue, for, this boy is... | that's, you know, that's a tough issue, and that's one that we struggle with down here. and i've had a number of my male patients say that they feel very unusual coming into our eating disorders program because the waiting room is always filled with girls and young women. i think that number one issue for this boy is t... |
I think that if he needs in-patient care that - it's called milieu therapy -meaning how he interacts with other - the other patients is important, but again, I think that needs to be brought up with the group. Unfortunately, I think the family is going to be hard-pressed to find any in-patient treatment center that isn... | i think that if he needs in-patient care that - it's called milieu therapy -meaning how he interacts with other - the other patients is important but. again i, think that needs to be brought up with the group unfortunately i think the family is going to be hard-pressed to find any in-patient treatment, center, that isn... | I think that if he needs in-patient care that - it's. called milieu therapy -meaning, how he interacts with other - the other patients is important but again I think that, needs to be brought up with the group Unfortunately I think the family is going to be hard-pressed to find any in-patient treatment. center that isn... | i think that if he needs in-patient care that - it's called milieu therapy -meaning how he interacts with other - the other patients is important, but again, i think that needs to be brought up with the group. unfortunately, i think the family is going to be hard-pressed to find any in-patient treatment center that isn... |
Let's get some listeners in on the conversation. This is Carolyn, Carolyn with us from East Lansing in Michigan. | let's get some listeners in on the conversation this is, carolyn carolyn with us from east lansing in | Let's get some listeners in on the conversation This is Carolyn; Carolyn with us from East Lansing in. | let's get some listeners in on the conversation. this is carolyn, carolyn with us from east lansing in michigan. |
Hello. | hello. | ||
Hi, you're on the air. | hi. you're on the | Hi you're on the | hi, you're on the air. |
OK, I was wondering if you could talk about what some of the symptoms might be or how to talk about - if you suspect someone has an eating disorder, how would you know about it and how could you talk to them about it? | ok i was wondering if you could, talk about what some of the. symptoms might be or. how to talk about - if you suspect. someone has an eating disorder how would you know about it and how could you talk to them about | OK I was wondering if, you could talk about what some, of the symptoms might be or how to talk about - if you suspect someone has an eating disorder how would you know about it. and how could you talk to them about | ok, i was wondering if you could talk about what some of the symptoms might be or how to talk about - if you suspect someone has an eating disorder, how would you know about it and how could you talk to them about it? |
Uh-huh. Sure, this is a question that we get very frequently. And like the author previously to this said, certainly binge eating disorder can remain hidden for years and years, and similarly with bulimia. And I think that for people concerned - either about a friend or certainly parents who are concerned - I think it'... | uh-huh sure this is a question that we get very, frequently and like the author. previously to this said certainly binge eating disorder can, remain hidden, for years and years and similarly with bulimia; and i think that for, people concerned - either about a friend or certainly parents who are concerned - i think it'... | Uh-huh Sure this is a question that we get very frequently And like the author previously to this said certainly binge. eating disorder can remain hidden for years and years and similarly with bulimia And I think that for people concerned - either, about a friend or certainly parents who are concerned - I. think it's i... | uh-huh. sure, this is a question that we get very frequently. and like the author previously to this said, certainly binge eating disorder can remain hidden for years and years, and similarly with bulimia. and i think that for people concerned - either about a friend or certainly parents who are concerned - i think it'... |
And one of the suggestions that I often use is to use what are called I statements. So rather than saying I think you're doing this, you say I'm worried and here's why. So I'm worried because it seems like you're much more isolated than you used to be, or I'm worried about your weight loss, or I'm worried because I can... | and one of the suggestions that i often use is to use what. are called i statements so rather than saying i think. you're doing. this you say i'm worried and here's why so i'm worried, because, it seems like you're much more isolated than you used. to be or i'm worried about. your weight loss or. i'm worried because i ... | And one of the suggestions that I often use is to use what are called I statements So rather than saying I think you're doing this you say I'm, worried and here's why So I'm worried because it seems like, you're much, more isolated than you used to be or, I'm worried about your weight loss or I'm worried because I can'... | and one of the suggestions that i often use is to use what are called i statements. so rather than saying i think you're doing this, you say i'm worried and here's why. so i'm worried because it seems like you're much more isolated than you used to be, or i'm worried about your weight loss, or i'm worried because i can... |
Thank you very much. | thank you very | Thank you very | thank you very much. |
Carolyn, good luck. | carolyn good | Carolyn, good | carolyn, good luck. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
One should not underestimate the ability of people to hide these disorders, too. | one should not underestimate the ability of people to hide, these disorders | One should not underestimate the ability of people to hide these disorders. | one should not underestimate the ability of people to hide these disorders, too. |
Oh, absolutely, and I think that when you mentioned the disorders can appear almost like an addiction, I think that's a model that we use quite frequently. And binge eating disorder certainly is hidden, and bulimia is, too. And I think one of the misconceptions about bulimia I would like to bring up is that patients do... | oh absolutely and i think that when you mentioned the disorders can appear almost like an addiction i think that's a model that we use quite frequently and binge eating disorder, certainly is hidden. and bulimia, is too and; i think one of the misconceptions about bulimia i would like to bring up is that patients don't... | Oh absolutely and I think that when you mentioned the disorders can appear almost like an addiction I think, that's a model that we use quite, frequently And binge eating disorder. certainly is hidden and. bulimia. is too And I think one of the misconceptions about bulimia, I would like to bring up is. that patients, d... | oh, absolutely, and i think that when you mentioned the disorders can appear almost like an addiction, i think that's a model that we use quite frequently. and binge eating disorder certainly is hidden, and bulimia is, too. and i think one of the misconceptions about bulimia i would like to bring up is that patients do... |
So I had one patient who would have huge binges and then fast for two or three days after the binge and compulsively exercise, and she fit the diagnostic criteria for bulimia. Now she never binged. She didn't look abnormal. She was a normal weight. But that type of behavior fit criteria for bulimia, and she had been go... | so, i had. one patient who would have huge binges and then fast for two or three days after the binge and compulsively exercise and she fit the diagnostic criteria for bulimia now she. never binged she didn't look abnormal she was a normal weight. but that type of behavior fit criteria for bulimia and she had been goin... | So I. had one patient who would have huge binges, and then fast, for. two or. three days after the, binge and compulsively exercise and, she, fit the diagnostic criteria for bulimia. Now. she never binged She didn't look abnormal She was a. normal weight But that type of behavior fit criteria for, bulimia and she had b... | so i had one patient who would have huge binges and then fast for two or three days after the binge and compulsively exercise, and she fit the diagnostic criteria for bulimia. now she never binged. she didn't look abnormal. she was a normal weight. but that type of behavior fit criteria for bulimia, and she had been go... |
Mm-hmm. Let's see if we get some more callers on the line. And this is - we'll go to Rick. Rick's with us from Salt Lake City in Utah. | mm-hmm let's see if we get some more callers on the line and this is - we'll go, to rick rick's with us from salt, lake city in | Mm-hmm, Let's see if we; get some more callers on the line And this is - we'll go to Rick Rick's, with us from Salt Lake City in, | mm-hmm. let's see if we get some more callers on the line. and this is - we'll go to rick. rick's with us from salt lake city in utah. |
Hello. | hello. | ||
Hi. You're on the air, Rick. | hi you're on the air | Hi You're on. the air | hi. you're on the air, rick. |
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