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QUESTION: And there's a discussion about the New England Journal of Medicine report. Now, do you know whether this meeting, these updates, were something that -- did Dr Hill come ba ck and discuss them with Professor Stuart, to your knowledge, or with you? ANSWER: I don't remember. This is Frank Boulton's note...
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QUESTION: Yes. ANSWER: No, I don't even remember being -- anyone talking about this meeting. No.
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QUESTION: What about the issues that were raised? So the cas e of the San Francisco baby which, as the Chair point s out, was reported in December of 1982 in the MMWRs and the issues flagged up by Jane Desforges in her article, do you recall any conversation about those issues if not about the meeting? ANSWER: I...
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QUESTION: Was it -- when was it reasonably clear to you that AIDS was probably being transmitted by blood and bl ood products? Was it from these January 1983 reports? ANSWER: Yeah, difficult. Well, I suppose it was actually from -- I mean, Chairman put me right on the MMWR. I don't know whether I read that one....
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QUESTION: In your statement, you say that when HIV/AIDS becam e a clinical issue, as co-directors we discussed our approach and reached agreement. I'll try to find t he reference to that in your statement. But what I wanted to ask you was what did you mean by that? Co-directors is you and Dr Hill, so this is pr...
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QUESTION: That was from your current statement. Forgive me, I'll find the reference. ANSWER: Is that in relation to whether the men should be looked after in the infectious diseases unit or --
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QUESTION: I don't think so but let me find it, Professor Franklin, rather than asking you in the abstract. ANSWER: I think that would have been later, wouldn't it?
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QUESTION: There are a few references I haven't noted down. I may have to come back to that tomorrow morning, Professor Franklin, when I have found the reference to the specific discussions you had with Dr Hill. Can I ask you about the other materials which your statement suggests or your Archer evidence suggest...
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QUESTION: Yes, so 17 October 1983 was that meeting. ANSWER: Yes. I mean, I think that was when I came away and thought, well, that's -- I can't remember -- I can' t remember the discussion but I think that was -- we came away with a view to carry on. And then there was the next May, wasn't it, the letter from P...
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QUESTION: We'll take it in chronological stages. There's not too much we need to look at. 166 The May '83 Haemophilia Society publication, that was actually in '83. ANSWER: Oh, was it? Okay.
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QUESTION: That's WITN4032008. ANSWER: I think I was aware of that at the time, even thoug h I wasn't the co-director, because I think -- I mean , we had weekly meetings of everybody -- or maybe not -- maybe Frank wasn't there at every one of those beca use he was mainly at the Children's Hospital, but I do reme...
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QUESTION: This, as we know, was authored by -- as it says, it was authored by Professor Bloom. If we just go a little further down, please, Henry, if we pick it up about halfway down, it says : "Bearing this in mind [that's the investment in BPL] it is important to consider the facts concerni ng AIDS and haemophili...
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QUESTION: There's reference there to being "unaware of any proven case in our own haemophiliac population". W e know from other materials that there was in fact a case -- ANSWER: That seems an economy of the truth, I would have sa id.
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QUESTION: Do you recall when you first became aware of the Cardiff case? ANSWER: Well, I think it was around about the same time as this. I think it was quite well known. Wasn't the re a Bristol one? 168
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QUESTION: Yes. ANSWER: Was that before or after? I don't -- I have to say I'm not sure.
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QUESTION: Then if we go from May 1983, this publication, to the UKHCDO meeting that you've referred to -- Henry, it's PRSE004440, please. Let me check that. PRSE0004440. I think I omitted a zero. We can see your name appearing. This is 17 October 1983. This would presumably have been y our first meeting tha...
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QUESTION: If we go, please, to page 10, this is the discussio n that you've referred to already, Professor Franklin . So Dr Morag Chisholm raising the question of revert ing to cryoprecipitate. Professor Bloom's response: "... no need for patients to stop using the commercial concentrates because at present there...
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QUESTION: The observation you make about it in your witness statement, if we just go back to that, it's WITN4032001, and it's page 72 of your statement, it 's a sub-paragraph D in the first half of the page you say: "They recommended at the end of the 1983 meeting~... That's the meeting we have just been looking ...
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QUESTION: It may be difficult for you to answer this, Professor Franklin, as I think you only attended th is and then the 1984 AGM, but I do not know whether fr om your discussions with Dr Hill or any other colleagu es you have a view on the organisation of UKHCDO at th e time. Was it effectively being -- were po...
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