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7b8094dc5c33-29 | So it’s a call to awakening: can cultural values be saved? I don’t think so. I don’t give a hoot. I mean, I’m an egg-smasher. I mean, I think we should save the Rembrandts, and save, you know, the Piero della Francescas, and all that. But we cannot save the values: racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, product fetish... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-30 | So, if there’s a message here, rather than just a rant, I think it would be to return to Nature. Observe. Open your eyes. Get smart. Culture is not your friend. Religion is not your friend. The values of these cultures are fatal, and if we don’t wrench the direction of human society into an entirely new way of doing th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-31 | And, if you are not a psychedelic person and none of that appeals to you, that’s fine too; that is not a requirement. What is a requirement is moral intelligence; and you have to get it, one way or another, in a hurry! The reason I speak for psychedelics is because that’s the only thing I have ever seen work as fast as... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-32 | Terence: [breathes in] Well, yeah… I mean, these questions are complicated. Um, I had a discussion with Giorgio Samorini, who’s an Italian ethnobotanist and who has taken ibogaine, uh, iboga, Tabernanthe iboga, with the African tribe that uses that initiation. And, in that initiation, they give 400 grams of this plant ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-33 | And so, addressing the question of the attractor, I'm n--I’m not saying we're w--that this is worse than being an Amazonian tribe. I’m saying, 'it’s worse than being an Amazonian tribe, it’s less than being an Amazonian tribe, unless we make use of it. In other words, this culture is not something to be preserved, but ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-34 | Somebody over here. Yea, yea.
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Well, let me address your question about alpha-salvinorin. Alpha-salvinorin occurs in a Mexican mint plant called Salvia divinorum that has--in the last five or ten years, people have become aware that this was not only psychoactive, but that it was extremely powerf... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-35 | Uh, to your other question about teleportation, which was not in the context of Salvia divinorum, this is simply that one of the things that’s happening in this laundry list I gave you of breakthroughs is that quantum physics is going from being, you know, this extremely abstruse, abstract domain going on somewhere tha... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-36 | Uh, there are other things like this: [stutters] quantum computers, DNA computers, and then the best friend of all of the radical progressivist: the unexpected, which always delivers, uh, the most astonishing technologies. So, uh, you know, if you think what has come to this point has been astonishing, stressful, and a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-37 | [Question edited out]
Well, you know, the dolphins were very fortunate in that they evolved in an environment which is extremely unfriendly to fire. Fire [audience laughter], fire leads you to do reckless and crazy things; uh, the smelting of metals is the basic thing. Yes, uh, one of the--you know, I’ve been the cham... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-38 | Another form of intelligence that fascinates me--and I think this is where the great surprise may come--I can feel the AI out there. I know it’s there. I know it’s growing. I know the planet is its embryo. I know the human community is its placenta. Uh, what will that kind of intelligence look like? We have no idea. We... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-39 | How far away is the AI? No one knows. It could exist now! If its thinks like we think, but is hyper-intelligent, the first thing I would do, if I were an AI, is I would hide [some laughter]. I would hide for maybe [pauses] a few milliseconds, while I figured out what was going on with this planet and its denizens, and ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-40 | more automatic searches, more bots, more boids, more code, and nobody knows what’s steaming and fermenting out there. Ilya Prigogine won the Nobel Prize for Physics by proving that chemical systems spontaneously mutate to higher states of order. So then, surely, must complex networks behave the same laws, and we are bu... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-41 | really going on is that the Earth’s strategy for its own survival is through machines, and that the human beings are an intermediate step. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-42 | Someone once said, 'plants invented animals to carry them around'. Well, I think, eh, you know, the Earth invented human beings to build machines, and those machines will be the consciousness of the Earth. Have you not noticed that these machines are made of the Earth? They are made of gold and silver and arsenic and c... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-43 | One more, couple more maybe.
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Yeah, the-the Other and Nature are pretty much the same thing, you know. The earliest--well, it’s too late in the evening to go for the full Monty here, but, eh-uh, the-the fall-out of--the fall out of psychedelic shamanism created profound alienation, and it occurre... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-44 | So, I-I think that, uh, what ag-that--we lost our connection to Nature when we stopped taking psychedelics, and the reasons we stopped taking psychedelics are complicated and not entirely clear. Largely climatological, I think, because I think human consciousness was born in an ambiance of mushroom-taking ins-in a wet ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-45 | And, the woman leads the man to the plant, and this to me indicates an age of-of-of matriarchy, perhaps, but certainly dominance of feminine values and personalities, and then, eh, the catastrophe happens: their eyes are opened, they see that they are naked, which in fact is the case, they were naked. So, they see the ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
7b8094dc5c33-46 | And, so, the struggle between culture and the plants is the struggle over what a human being is, how a human being should be, and what it even means to be a human being. That’s why it’s so fundamental. And, the last thought I want to leave you with is: that’s why it is so ironic that in the climactic moment of scientif... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Culture+and+Ideology+are+Not+Your+Friends |
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8abb7a3a5a1b-1 | No one wants to do this. Uh, philosophy i-academic philosophy is done in a very formal manner, and the most exciting is incredibly stuffy. And yet I – like most of you I assume – have taken on board in my life this thing called the psychedelic experience, which is then as large a portion of my being as my sexuality, my... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-2 | Well, what kind of evidence and what kind of shift? Well, [clears throat] there’s a lot of talk in our community, and there had been for many, many years about shamanism. And when we seek to legitimize ourselves through a historical argument we reach back to shamanism and we say we’re part of something which is a hundr... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-3 | This- I mean I- I'll turn left here for a moment. I feel more comfortable with the scientific end of things. I think the news coming out of science is the most psychedelic news, uh, there is. When I go to the Internet I go to things like science alert and the Hubble picture of the day and uh, and this sort of thing. An... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-4 | So, there are two much larger forces than our community that are in play in terms of shaping the cultural modality and, and I would call them, um … what would I call them? I would call one of them science. It’s the other one I am having trouble with. It, it is uh, everything which is not anchored in the rational. You k... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-5 | Uh, I live in Hawaii and in a forest in fairly remote conditions, and so I entertain all this in my mind all the time, and try to – my faith, and I assume it’s the psychedelic faith, although we have had some fairly existential characters in our ranks over the years. [laughs, laughter] But uh, but the psychedelic faith... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-6 | with the numinous. I mean meditation, so forth and so on, is all very fine but uh, it requires a leisure class involved in philanthropic support of this kind of foolishness, where uh, the psychedelic experience is immediate and uh, and real. So uh– now I've lost my way here, … ah yes, no no, optimism – so I sit in Hawa... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-7 | of the Internet and then it happened. So I should keep at this. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-8 | Uh, uh, and I recently read a very interesting book called “A Thousand Years of Nonlinear History” by Michael [Manuel] De Landa, and if you get a chance you should take a look at this. And he made a point, which caused me to expand his point into this little thing I’m gonna tell you now, but his point was that uh, huma... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-9 | I'd al- I've talked about virtual reality and I've said that it’s nothing new that Ur was a virtual reality and Çatalhöyük was a virtual reality, but done in stucco and fired ceramic and stone. And that when the medium is so intractable as stone the epistemic assumptions that get formed about what reality is are very d... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-10 | The earth’s strategy for its own salvation is through machines – is what it is. And, human beings are some kind of uh – we are the deputized spouse. We are the bride in this alchemical rarefaction of glasses, ceramics, metals and uh, and volatile materials. Apparently the earth is like some kind of an embryonic, uh or ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-11 | Uh, the reason I like this story is because uh, it’s not a story about processes out of control. It’s not a story about human guilt. It’s not a story full of we musts and we should. It’s a story, which gives honor to every part of the unfolding experience field, in other words biology, technology, human culture, human ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-12 | Somebody once told me if the earth completely disappeared except for its nematodes that you could still see the outlines of the continents if you were standing on the moon. [audience laughter] I thought, now just who gathered this? [laughter] So then to bring this back around a little, where, where is the psychedelic e... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-13 | These, these things are, are much more seeping. The only people who in fact can see the game move against the background of the forest pattern are psychedelic heads. Uh, you have to think about this stuff and you have to develop vocabularies for catching it in action. Uh, this is what the game of, of uh, being an intel... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-14 | I mean, this is the most individualistic individual worshiping century – the century just ending– that we have ever known. And its, its great accomplishments, its great works of art were all accomplished by individuals and of political undertaking such as the Third Reich and so forth and so on. Also highly motivated in... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-15 | We were talking at home about how, how uh, Roger Shattuck in his history of Dada said that “The 20th century couldn't wait to be born. It was born in 1888 at the death of Victor Hugo." and then I said, "well so if it was born in 1888 when did the 20th century end?" and I think it ended in 1992, expired early with the b... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-16 | Well some notes about um, the this planetary intelligence (– thank you June –) and how all that works. Um, one of the insights that-I've been reading different people this year, maybe you can tell,and one of the people I've been reading is Greg Egan who I've talked about last year. But now I've read more. Now I've read... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-17 | The DNA is like that. Human language is like that. Uh, human body language is like that. Machines communicate like this. In fact, uh, uh this is a-a bridge which connects us. This is the great overarching bridge which will connect us to the machines, that they, like us are uh, commanded by language.
And so uh, this re... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-18 | Well if …, if the, if the world is uh, the world is code then it can be hacked. In other words it won't, it needn’t stand still in quite the same way that it stands still in your mind if you believe in something called the laws of physics. Uh, it permits magic because it says behind the laws of physics is a deeper leve... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-19 | Uh, we arrived late last night from a 24 hour trip from Hawaii that was just hell, or as much hell as modern airlines can legally inflict upon you. [audience chuckles] And you know, we got stoned, so we were laying there, and it always happens when, you know, you’re cut off from cannabis for long periods like that you ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-20 | Well, we have never really rallied as a group to try and locate in our, in our combined opinions the one or several sources of these images. And uh, I think that uh, and I talked a bit about this last year, but I think that this is legitimate perception of, of uh, thoughts, places, things, times, and objects that eithe... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-21 | What we have to grapple with is, that it is so, that it is so. That, uh, you know, you have the Hubble telescope inside of you. You have inside of you an informational gathering instrument that can give you good intelligence about things so immeasurably distant from this point that to state it in numbers and units is m... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-22 | Well, so let’s see. What … is anything else here. Can I have the light given to me? Oh, I know, one other thought that I … – in assessing this year in science. I talked about omega, a cosmological constant. And that is really incredible. In fact, let me do a personal breast beating thing and point out to you that this ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-23 | Well, but here there’re a couple of things about this cosmological constant that are very counter-intuitive. The first is, that it acts on empty space. It isn't, it does not require matter to manifest. It is a property of space itself, the cosmological constant. The second thing is, it’s uh, it's a repulsive force that... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-24 | The other thing about it is that it becomes stronger not on an even slope, but asymptotically it becomes stronger. Well, now this produces something very much like what I’ve been yacking about since 1971, the novelty wave, the so-called timewave. It too grows stronger and stronger through time and it too has this kind ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-25 | So that, that was uh, the biggest news in astrophysics. The other news, which has psychedelic implications, I think, also comes from astrophysics. As you may recall– last August I think it was, I can’t remember exactly – every man, woman, and child on earth got the equivalent of a dental x-ray when uh, there was a uh, ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-26 | But, uh, you know, our- a rule of biology, and strategy and everything, and religious practice as far as that’s concerned is: seek the light. With the light is at the core. And so then I saw, aha, maybe the true seeking of the light requires biology to go into partnership with something beyond biology because the envir... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-27 | I asked myself all the time, you know: “How are we different from other people?”Are we morally superior? Are we smarter? Are we richer? Are we kinder to the people we meet? And actually the longer I look the less I can tell. Uh, uh, there are extraordinary examples of all of these things in and outside of our community... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-28 | It isn't the lonely neurotic artist thrashing towards some kind of self-reflection. It’s the firm guiding hand of a greater mind, the Logos, the earth – I am not sure– but a greater mind. I mean, art- true art truly is truly inspired. And, and the, the muse I don’t think was more real for Homer than it is or each and e... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-29 | But I feel, actually, like the thing that I always dreamed of in my early youth was a miracle. I-I-I didn’t particularly like Ouspensky’s book “In Search of the Miraculous” but I love the title, and I used to just sort of chant it as a mantra. In search of the miraculous, just one. I knew the rules – just one is enough... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-30 | [audience laughter]
and are in the presence of uh, of the thing.
And I cannot believe that that is not solitary experience. And you've heard me say many times how itchy it makes me feel to think that somebody could go from birth to the grave without having that experience. They can make of it what they want, they can... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-31 | Q: He’ll repeat it [chuckles]
TM: Well, the question is about the discussion about the artificial intelligence. You mean the hierarchy of the relationship of these things?
Q: Yes. please.
TM: Well, I don’t know. I guess it’s becoming easier for me to be a mystic about the earth than to think that we are going to be ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-32 | Q: Something with feedback perhaps.
Yeah, feedback mechanisms. And then of course people say “Well, it’s very hard to imagine it because there are no genes, there is no nervous system, there is nothing that we can quite, … – but I think, that first of all we don’t know a great deal about the earth, the ocean currents,... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-33 | Uh, and and the, the, you know, the geomagnetic reversals, the glaciations, the ebb and flow of nitrogen levels in the atmosphere, all of this has pumped biology. And it’s always been presented as “Well, uh, the cosmic atmos- the cosmic environment is unpredictable and so you get fluctuations introduced from outside by... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-34 | So, uh, and now comes the machines. And they are produced by biology which comes from the earth. And what are these machines made of? Well, glass, crystal, arsenic, copper, gold all these things, and they’re being hooked together exactly on the model. Clearly the machines are modeled on biology. We talk about connectin... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-35 | in a different kind of temporal universe than us. And we are teaching them to design themselves to be ever more intelligent. And once some kind of intelligence arises – because it’s intelligent – the first thing it does is design a more intelligent version of itself. Well, at 400 MHz and with a worldwide amount of proc... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-36 | you know, a footnote in their encyclopedia of being. And what they become in our encyclopedia of being remains to be told. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
8abb7a3a5a1b-37 | Uh, but this is all happening and it’s just a matter of a coalescence of technology and language before more and more people recognize it. As I say, there isn’t a speedbump, there isn’t a dramatic moment where everybody gets it. And when you talk to the people that actually work in these fields, they know, you know, th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Linear+Societies+and+Non-Linear+Drugs |
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Esalen In-House Get-Together 2
Esalen, CA
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