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Re: (Good) Comments are king. |
Postby Ray » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:49 am |
Religion should never come into politics. It is a belief system which has no basis in the real world unlike politics (or is that similar to politics? :-) ). In the UK, if a politician openly expresses religious beliefs, they are looked upon with some suspicion. We had an example of a political leader who was openly rel... |
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Postby weeladdie18 » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:07 am |
During a sociology lecture at College ,the following statement was made... |
The Squire and the Vicar of a Feudal English Village came to an agreement..... |
The Vicar would keep the peasants simple.....and the Squire would keep the Peasants poor |
In my opinion ,...little has changed in the Modern World |
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Postby oldsalt1 » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:20 am |
Ray wrote:Religion should never come into politics. It is a belief system which has no basis in the real world unlike politics (or is that similar to politics? :-) ). In the UK, if a politician openly expresses religious beliefs, they are looked upon with some suspicion. We had an example of a political leader who was ... |
I disagree your political policies should be founded as a part of your religious beliefs. I know this is true because " THE ET" told me so |
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Postby Jim » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:01 pm |
Ray wrote:Religion should never come into politics. |
If your religious beliefs are like mine (Do unto others as you would have others do unto you) they should come into politics; if they are like "theirs" (be like me or die!) they shouldn't. :wink: |
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Postby Fred in Skirts » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:11 pm |
Governments based on a religion are called theocracy's. The Muslim faith is a theocracy. |
Their government is completely based on their religion. They believe if you don't believe in what they believe then you should be converted or killed. This is in their Koran. :( |
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Postby crfriend » Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:02 pm |
Fred in Skirts wrote:Governments based on a religion are called theocracy's. The Muslim faith is a theocracy. |
Their government is completely based on their religion. They believe if you don't believe in what they believe then you should be converted or killed. This is in their Koran. :( |
Mild correction here, the Muslim faith is a religion. The theocracy likely being referred to here is Iran. It's important to understand and appreciate the differences. |
Of note is that it has happened in the USA. In the Colonial period, Massachusetts was effectively a theocracy based on the rules of Puritanical Anglicism -- and it still, to this day, retains hints of that. Another notable example is Utah, which is largely run on the rules of Mormonism. So do not think "it can't happen... |
The sheer number of organised religions on the face of the planet at the moment merely points up precisely why states -- unless they are composed of an entirely homogeneous population -- must be secular in nature. By favouring one, all others are discounted and the individuals so believing are automatically disenfranch... |
It could be said that the modern USA is already a theocracy -- that of Baal Mammon -- and I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader t draw his own conclusion. |
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Postby moonshadow » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:53 am |
crfriend wrote:Witness the Southern Baptist Convention which is after dominion over the entire nation. |
I don't think that will happen. Though my region has no shortage of Baptist churches, there are plenty of other denominations to dilute the waters so to speak. Independent Baptist is a big thing around here.... |
And let me tell you buddy... Southern Baptist is "San Fransisco Liberal" compared to the "Independent Fundamental Baptist" Churches. |
Nah... even in the overall Christian religion, there are just too many different denominations and sects for one to completely take hold over the whole nation. Agnosticism and Atheism is stronger than most people realize, even in these parts. |
But... even if they did (take over the nation)... I ain't bendin' my knee. I don't need no other "man" telling me what's what with God.... they don't know anymore than I do or anybody else. They just like to run that mouth. |
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Postby dillon » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:03 am |
Jim wrote: |
Ray wrote:Religion should never come into politics. |
If your religious beliefs are like mine (Do unto others as you would have others do unto you) they should come into politics; if they are like "theirs" (be like me or die!) they shouldn't. :wink: |
Yep. |
And Moon is right, that the taste of freedom lingers. But all over the world men who have tasted it still starve. |
I never actually said anything about religion in politics. But since the topic is out there now... |
I can’t understand why some find it so urgent to legislate religious beliefs. And often the same folks who won’t hesitate to give you an earful of rhetoric about the looming threat of Sharia Law, but apparently see nothing wrong with imposing their own beliefs by force of law. Not sure where they think the Sharia threa... |
American democracy is not really a winner-take-all system. It is modified by the Constitution which contains much that protects us from “the tyranny of the majority.” |
I guess I just wonder what’s wrong with making our society a big tent, with enough space, enough grace, to accommodate people of all faiths or of no faith tradition. Space and grace for the traditional family and the non-traditional, for hetero and gay and trans. For the white, brown, olive, and black. We don’t have to... |
As a matter of fact, the sun DOES shine out of my ... |
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Postby moonshadow » Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:39 am |
I definitely like the way you think Dillon.... |
dillon wrote:I can’t understand why some find it so urgent to legislate religious beliefs. And often the same folks who won’t hesitate to give you an earful of rhetoric about the looming threat of Sharia Law, but apparently see nothing wrong with imposing their own beliefs by force of law. |
The commoners are afraid Dillon. The fear mongering comes from the top and works its way down. They are convinced and afraid that if left unchecked, people with lifestyles of which they disagree with will gradually infiltrate the entire community, then they no longer will be in the majority position. |
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