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10:08PM MAR 26TH 2012 |
As for "Stand Your Ground", it is a highly effective law on the books of many states that allow weapons carry. It has been instrumental in saving countless lives of the innocent but affording them a measure of law to defend themselve by NOT having to attempt to find a way out and thereby placing their lives in greater ... |
For those that fear people having, carrying, or carrying a concealed weapon; keep in mind that more deadly crimes are stopped or ended by law abiding citizens with personal weapons than are stopped by the police! Additionally, keep in mind that police end up killing more innocent people per year than do law abiding cit... |
Don't believe me? Just check the FBI stats! |
5:33PM MAR 27TH 2012 |
Incredible - justifying the law because you claim citizens have less collateral damage to innocent bystanders than the police. I own guns, but my non-gun owning friends have a much lower innocent bystander death rate than citizen gun owners (without any deaths to themselves). Should I use that logic? Like I said, incre... |
Tango Down |
9:57PM MAR 26TH 2012 |
This shooting has proven to be quite polarizing despite the fact that it happened a month ago (Feb. 26) and there's very little that is really known at this point beyond a few apparent facts. With eyewitnesses coming to light as of late and new details being made known over these past 20 some days; this is proving to b... |
As for "Stand Your Ground"; this may or may not be applicable sirect in reference to this case as Zimmerman "might have" been actively following Martin at the time. I say "might" because according to the unedited 911 call he was following him and told 911 that he was but when you listen to the unedited audio, it is qui... |
It has been said that Martin was a small boy but Martin was 6'3" and around 160 pounds, as has been reported. 6'3" is not short or small and while 160 pounds is not really very big, it is big enough that Martin would've appeared to be a adult male! |
I have not heard or read any reports as to Zimmerman's size but I'd roughly figure that he was shorter than Martin and heavier. Thusly, Disparity of Force could be ruled out of this case as their sizes would'n't be relative. |
It has been rarely mentioned that Martin was supposedly not armed with a weapon at the time of this incident. While this would look badly on Zimmerman, it has been reported that Martin was observed by eyewitnesses as hitting Zimmerman as Zimmerman was on the ground, making it look asthough Martin jumped Zimmerman. Addi... |
So, while Martin might not have been armed himself, IF he in fact jumped Zimmerman and then attempted to take his sidearm, then he was attempting to arm himself and was therefore putting himself in the position to be shot by Zimmerman in self defense. |
Would "Stand Your Ground" qualify, I can't say for sure, that's up to LE involved in the case but Zimmerman would have been justified in defending himself against Martin taking his weapon and shooting him with his own weapon. |
As for the "Race Card", I've seen the video/audio clips that state that Zimmerman had used a racial remark. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Either way though, the Race Card doesn't need to be played here once again! |
In retrospect, it was reported that the Black Panthers, the black version of the KKK, has issued a $10,000 reward for the alledged "killer" in the Martin case. This is likewise, WRONG! It is nothing more than murder for hire! |
5:37PM MAR 27TH 2012 |
It's this simple: |
If Zimmerman doesn't finger the kid as up to no good, Trayvon's alive. |
If Zimmerman doesn't follow after the kid, Trayvon's alive. |
If Zimmerman doesn't ignore the police's advice, Trayvon's alive. |
If Zimmerman stayed in his car, Trayvon's alive. |
If Zimmerman doesn't confront the kid, Trayvon's alive. |
If Zimmerman wasn't carrying a gun, Trayvon's alive. |
If Zimmerman doesn't draw his gun on an unarmed kid, Trayvon's alive. |
If Zimmerman doesn't pull the gun's trigger, Trayvon's alive. |
Only because Zimmerman did all these things is Trayvon dead. |
Bruce S. |
6:02PM MAR 25TH 2012 |
I hear crickets. It must be that that the writer of this awful analysis was told to stop insulting the readers. The silence is golden. |
Craig G. Mason |
10:43PM MAR 25TH 2012 |
Bruce S. Hmmmm, let's see.....who do you sound like? Another commenter and writer perchance? |
11:38PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
"The utter impropriety of Democratic politicians capitalizing on this non-representative tragedy in order to further advance a leftist agenda hostile to the human rights they claim to champion."? What a crock. At this point the entire civilized world is wondering what kind of imbeciles we have in Florida who came up wi... |
7:22AM MAR 23RD 2012 |
My heart aches for the family but would there be this much media publicity if a black killed a white? I don't think so. It seems to be happening more and more and it hits the news once and over with. Whites are racists if they even look. I personally think it has defintely gotten worse in the last few years. |
7:36PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Uh, the blacks killing whites would be in jail. The story is as big as it is because the killer got away with it and the police don't care. |
Your question reveals a profound ignorance of race. |
8:00PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Prevailing science doesn't believe that "race" exists. Perhaps your profound ignorance is showing. Try a little research. We are one "race"...HUMAN. |
10:01PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
I'm with you on that one, in a biological sense. But to deny its historical reality is a mistake and only justifies a killer like Zimmerman and all those who think too much is being made of this. |
8:51AM MAR 23RD 2012 |
If the facts were reversed, the Limbaugh wing of the "fair and balanced" media would have likely already vilified and lynched him in absentia, have no doubt (I mean, look what they did to a young female law student for simply testifying before Congress). Yes, it would be much worse, probably with white supremists and s... |
Pat Galbraith |
5:46AM MAR 23RD 2012 |
The article is about repeal of the stand your ground law. Some things that might just be pertinent. How often has this defense ben used since the bill became law? How many times has a person been charged for misusing the law? What was the outcome? How does this compare to the general population? How does this compare w... |
8:32PM MAR 22ND 2012 |
As I've previously said - nothing like having a non-attorney interpretating criminal law. Doesn't matter what the courts ultimately decide as to whether the law applies in this case, the point is that its mere existence appears to have intimidated the local police from charging or fully investigating the neighborhood c... |
Eric Giunta, J.D. |
10:38PM MAR 22ND 2012 |
I am not a law student, but a Juris Doctor sitting for the Florida Bar, and I note that only for identification purposes. My "qualifications" to write this piece come from my knowing what I'm talking about. With all due respect, you don't. |
a) There's not a shred of evidence that "Stand Your Ground" (SYG) had "intimidated" law enforcement officers from adequately investigating this matter. Assuming Zimmerman did have a facially valid SYG claim (an assumption I do not personally endorse), this only renders him immune from prosecution; it does not render hi... |
b) With or without an SYG statute, gang members have the same rights as all other citizens to use deadly force to defend their lives or their persons from great bodily harm, so long as they are otherwise acting lawfully. Depending on the case-specific circumstances, it may be very difficult to prove that the killer did... |
You believe the law should protect the "right" of violent bullies to deter innocent people from engaging in lawful activity; I believe the law should protect the innocent and put the onus of "retreat" on the bullies, not their victims. I leave it to our readers to decide which of our two positions is the more "stupid". |
sand trap |
5:12PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Eric, Eric, Eric, |
You come across as the ultimate arrogant law graduate. And you can't even call yourself an attorney, because you haven't passed the bar. I have to vote with most people here.....which is you know squat. And I'm not sure anyone mentioned it to you, but in journalism, the stories author usually doesn't write back snarky ... |
11:59AM MAR 23RD 2012 |
I'm so glad you defend the rights of rival gangs to have open warfare gun fights in public, even killing innocent bystanders, as justified under the act - I think, instead, I'll agree with several state attorneys and a Tallahassee judge who have called this law as turning Florida into the wild west (see one cite below)... |
7:39PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Excellent post, but only one correction. It is not the wild west, it is the deep south. |
Eric Giunta, J.D. |
1:47PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
I do not defend the rights of gangs to engage in open warfare; I defend the right of innocent people to defend themselves against violent aggression. |
sand trap |
5:14PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Eric. Shut up already. You sound dumber and dumber with each nasty note you write back. Don't you have an editor who has told you not to behave like a first grader? |
3:46PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Yes - "gang members have the same rights as all other citizens to use deadly force to defend their lives or their persons from great bodily harm, so long as they are otherwise acting lawfully" - doesn't matter that innocents get killed in the exchange. You remind of a judge I know (doesn't try criminal cases) who argue... |
6:31PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Were you born yesterday? |
Carrying guns to school was the norm until the 1950s. Kids would go hunting after. |
The founding fathers had no problems bringing their guns to school or in their carriages. |
Your a-historical mentality makes me think you came from England. |
I'm glad that McDonald and Heller are keeping people like you from getting a say on the Second Amendment. |
10:01PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
I guess it doesn't fit into your paradigm that I've own multiple guns for the last 50+ years, hunted in my youth and have a NRA Golden Eagle (lifetime) belt buckle. I went to school in Texas in the 1950's (Killeen) - don't remember one single gun in school there or later when I moved to upstate New York in the 1960's. ... |
John B. |
7:53PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Your comments are almost as stupid as the writer of this article. If you have a law degree, you are a moron. Why would you want people to be stopped from having a say in a DEMOCRACY? Between that and your welfare comments, it's pretty clear you're a racist. The idea of one person, one vote must really gall someone as "... |
John B. |
7:52PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
8:05PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Sounds like we have attracted some legal minds to this discussion! |
No, I actually don't believe in voting as a Voluntaryist. But given that voting is not even a fundamental right (it only has to be advanced "evenly" under EP) I don't see how voting is so much a pertinent issue to any of this. |
No, I'm not a racist in any sense. Especially as someone who speaks publicly against police abuse toward minorities. |
I don't think that any person here is necessarily "unintelligent," I just think they are egotistical maniacs who think that you need to be a supreme court justice to even begin to form a legal opinion. |
In any case...I appreciate your critique! |
It allows me to also mention that, as a believer in the NON-AGGRESSION PRINCIPLE, I think that Mr. Zimmerman needs to be brought to justice! |
7:41PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
The founding fathers also had slaves. Should we behaving like that too? |
8:00PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Slavery is not in the bill of rights. Nice try though. ( : |
9:50PM MAR 23RD 2012 |
Technically correct, it was not in the first ten amendments, but in Article I of the Constitution. |
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