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Exactly!
The entire mentality of Alex Jones and his group is just giving shit to people. Endless filth, insanity, and hate. Yet the instant they get shit sent back to them, in the form of businesses no longer willing to work with them, host them, etc.? All of a sudden they're the victims! They can't wait to tell you about how under attack they are! They're like the "SJW" boogeymen they constantly whine about, but louder.
No one is obligated to be a jackass, and no one is obligated to treat jackasses with kindness. Alex Jones and his group are free to stop being horrible people at any time, and people and businesses will be more willing to work with them when that time comes.
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You know, if you repeat hate and exclusion often enough, you might just get it. Not that you would find any proof of his racist remarks or anything.
The best you could do is to point out his battle rifle comments. That from telling it's viewers to have them by the bedside incase antifa doxxes them that has turned into Alex Jones is telling it's viewers to attack reporters with battle rifles.
The more you censor him, the more you'll be BTFO'd at the near future.
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Jesus, Democrats are fucking evil. They know they control big tech & the internet, so they're denying people service based upon political views?
Hate speech pretty much means any speech that Democrats disagree with.
Jonathan Haidt explains the concept of abusing hate speech rules: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckrkh2EVEAEmGs1.jpg
I'm sick of this bullshit. I'm voting for any Republican in 2018 & voting for Trump again in 2020. I'm a former Democrat. Democrats disgust me now. They've become so anti-American.
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Death threats? They took his words out of context. That would never hold up in a court of law.
Saying you want to meet at high noon to have an ideological battle of ideas is not a death threat. I remember him specifically using the word "politically".
You realize if you weaponize this extreme out of context tactic you're using, it can also be used against your own political party? It's not wise.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F
There's only so much room for pretending you don't know the effects of what you're doing. He knows exactly how people perceive him and his comments, and it's fully intentional. He's using these fluff words like "politically" to dodge responsibility for what everybody knows he's doing.
Now people are calling his bluffs, and even Twitter's CEO who previously personally opposed banning Jones had to cave and ban him after he using Twitter's app Periscope to livestream himself harassing a CNN employee.
If anything, it's Jones who is trying to weaponize this situation by lying about getting banned for opinions, when everybody with a brain knows its his actions that got him banned.
*Everybody* acting like Jones should be banned, no matter which party. It's the behavior that is intolerable. No exceptions.
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I strongly condemn them for saying arrest all democrats. That's bull shit.
I don't even watch Alex Jones, lol. I don't agree with 50% of the stuff he says. I just want him to have free speech.
I want to do everything i legally can to help him get his free speech back even though half of the stuff he says is ridiculous and wrong.
If you were being wrongly silenced, I would stick up for you too.
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How about Infowars/Republicans calling a 16 y/o kid - who might be the victim of sexual assault - a drunken floosey, a street walker and a whore?
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> If you were being wrongly silenced, I would stick up for you too.
He was not wrongly silenced, he wasn't even silenced. He broke their TOS, and he lost access to their platform. Nobody has any right to a platform on non-governmental grounds. If I stood at your front lawn, ranting and raving, threatening people walking by, and you told me to fuck off. Would that be a breach of my free speech?
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LOL
WTF you on about ?
All that bail out of Freddie/Fanny happened UNDER Bush, HIS Treasury Secretary and HIS FHFA Director. Because the Repubs who held absolute power for most of the time leading up to it, crashed the economy leading to near economic collapse under Republican economic policies.
Learn some Actual Facts and delete your clueless non-factual rewrite of history fam.
Start here: The federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was the placing into conservatorship of the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) and Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac) by the U.S. Treasury in September 2008. It was one of the financial events among many in the ongoing subprime mortgage crisis.
On September 6, 2008, the director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA), James B. Lockhart III, announced his decision to place the two GSEs into a conservatorship run by the FHFA.[1][2][3]
At the same press conference, United States Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, stated that placing the two GSEs into conservatorship was a decision he fully supported, and that he advised "that conservatorship was the only form in which I would commit taxpayer money to the GSEs." He further said that "I attribute the need for today's action primarily to the inherent conflict and flawed business model embedded in the GSE structure, and to the ongoing housing correction."[1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_takeover_of_Fannie_Mae_and_Freddie_Mac
Not mention Fannie/Freddie were in trouble only BECAUSE Bush and full GOP directed them to get involved in the risky practices under the 2003 American downpayment Act that irresposnibly eased all the rules for homebuying by Fannie/Freddie like proving your income and not needing a Downpayment,that led to the collapse.
Again Repubs legislating intervention leading to economic shitshow. Learn your history.
Even the uber conservative Heritage Foundation were outraged by this:
That chance will arise when the House is asked to approve by unanimous consent the American Dream Downpayment Act -- a bill that would require the U. S. taxpayers to provide $200 million per year to fund cash grants of as much as $10,000 to individuals and families wanting to buy a house, but without subjecting themselves to the burden of having to save for the downpayment. - https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/report/american-dream-downpayment-act-fiscally-irresponsible-andredundant
And Trump tax cuts just added more federal debt in ONE year than happened in 200 years...but if this is pretend play time then carry on !
At the end of 1976, the public debt was $477.4 billion, and the gross federal debt was just under $629 billion.
So how does that compare to Trump’s record?
The amount of public debt added in 2017 -- a year when Trump was president for all but 20 days and when the Republicans were in control of Congress -- was $497.8 billion, while the amount of gross federal debt added was $666.3 billion.
Whichever variety of debt you use, the amount of debt added under Republican control in 2017 was greater than the accumulated debt by the end of 1976, making Scarborough’s statement correct.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/sep/12/joe-scarborough/will-trump-gop-create-more-debt-one-year-first-200/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/02/09/trumps-federal-budget-deficit-1-trillion-and-beyond/
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-gop-taxplan-20171005-story.html
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Google is the only major search engine in America. I mean honestly, all I can think of otherwise is AskJeeves, DuckDuckGo, Bing, and Yahoo maybe? I don’t think any of those represent major competition.
As for Facebook, its only competition is Instagram (which it owns) and Twitter (which can’t turn a profit). I think you could make a good argument that Facebook and Twitter simply have too much market share.
But you’re totally right that this isn’t to break up monopolies by any means. Trump is angry that people say mean things on the internet and would like them to stop. However, if he decides to break up or heavily regulate these shadowy companies that have created a shadowy market to mine and sell your personal info, I’m all for it. Then again, I think that data brokerage is the last thing on his mind because it involves too many big words.
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While you're busy trust busting google and Facebook, how about you add AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, etc into the mix? ~~Walmart?~~ Do I need to continue the list with more companies with shitty anti-consumer business practices that Trump is in the pockets of?
Edit: Jesus guys I get it I left off many companies that have anti consumer & anti worker practices, but that list is very, very long.
Edit2: I also crossed out Walmart because while technically they aren't a trust or a a monopoly, still a shitty business
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Wait, the only one that I think I agree with as far as anti-trust could be Comcast, if they were the only legit ISP in your area? Mobile carriers have a ton of competition (I hate them with a passion, but they do compete, and switching is often as easy as SIM swap). Might want to remove WMT from the list, too. Not that the aforementioned companies don't do bad things to rob their customers, but they're not monopolies.
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Yeah that's one of the biggest things that confused me with conservative rebuttals to Net Neutrality. "Net Neutrality hurts small business ISPs." Internet Service is almost impossible small business, the startup and infrastructure costs are ridiculously high. Until Internet Service becomes an ACTUAL UTILITY, as in everyone gets the same quality internet and wires are laid down to every house that every company has access to send data through, the exact same as water, electricity, and gas, internet service can never be a feasible small business.
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I think the concern is that Target and Walmart have attempted to compete almost too much, taking advantage of people's need for unskilled labor jobs, and forcing people to work very little hours, paying them as little as possible, and attempting to give as little benefits as possible, all while making their job a living hell.
Local businesses and smaller chains can't really keep up with that level of awfulness, not to mention the economies of scale, so it perpetuates an ever growing Monopoly of giant supermarket chains that all treat their employees like shit.
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Was just looking at a deal of theirs last night for "two for one" tickets at $17/each. After fees it would've been over $82 for two tickets. It was a $17 ticket with a $19.xx "facility charge" and a "$4.50 service fee." Not sure where the "two for one" thing was supposed to come in because there was no discount listed anywhere - unless they were supposed to be $34 tickets..
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There is a extreme labor surplus, especially compared to the 50s and 60s, are you insane? Companies have absolutely no problem replacing you if you walk away from your job and that's in part because we've doubled our population in only about 60 years. In that time have we doubled the amount of available jobs? Have we doubled the amount of infrastructure investment? Have we doubled the amount of homes built? Of course not. That's why housing values are through the roof and wages have stagnated. Go look at that chart socialists love to show that show how executive pay has increased over time and laborer pay hasn't. [There's no coincidence that bottom line stopped climbing after the 1965 immigration act was passed] (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3184623).
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> companies would be forced to pay more and treat employees better
Forced by whom? All the government seems to be interested in is constantly tilting the balance in favor of corporations. It's not that corporations can't make any money, it's that all of the wealth flows to the top. Having a white person or a brown person employed doesn't change that. Also, they're more likely to be replaced by someone who is stainless steel (or lines of code) than they are someone of a different color.
You should read more.
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By market factors. The fact that you think the government is the only one who can control wages is embarrassing. If companies had a shortage of workers and had to compete for the best workers they would be forced to pay more. This was the case in the 50s and 60s before the 1965 immigration act where 'help wanted' signs were commonplace and companies were forced to compete for workers. Now if you need warehouse help there are thousands of people to choose from and if an employee leaves you just take another one out of the unemployment line.
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Yeah, I think you're confused about what people are talking about.
/r/the_saad_salman isn't arguing that you can't find a job; he's arguing that plenty of people are employed in jobs that don't pay enough and they therefore have to work two jobs.
Are you trying to argue that there's less wealth disparity now then there was in the 50's and 60's? Is your opinion that employees are better off now than they were in the 50's and 60's?
Also, how can you blame the issues on immigration without mentioning technology or offshoring or any of the other factors?
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You're jumping between two arguments and also misstating mine. Awesome.
You're blaming immigration as though it's the boogeyman and you're ignoring other factors such as technology, offshoring, overseas manufacturing, etc.
Regardless of how you slice/dice it, corporations work very hard and pay a lot of money to politicians so that they can pay as little to their workers in salary and benefits while providing the least amount of job security possible. They also push to pay the least amount of taxes back into their community as possible. This happens all over the pay scale in white and blue collar jobs. To blame all of that on immigration is just stupid.
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> but if we get rid of this stupid thing they've been doing where they stay out of each other's way, maybe there will be enough competition for it.
They're not competing because they don't want to compete. Wired service is inherently less competitive than wireless due to the expense and inconvenience of rolling out the infrastructure.
> I'm not sure the voters could do much in a public system though. You know how quickly Congress moves on stuff that's important.
Municipal ISPs don't have to deal with Congress at all. Customer-owned ISP cooperatives wouldn't have to talk to Congress at all. Just because something is publicly owned doesn't mean it has to be federally managed, or even state managed. Voters can absolutely have a major impact on the direction of a municipal ISP--it's why their service tends to be a lot better.
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I'm not arguing that people can't get a job I'm arguing that you are replaceable due to our immigration policies increasing the labor supply and our offshoring programs which have decreased the labor demand. [When populations increase as much as we've seen in the last 60 years labor supply shifts which lowers wages](https://imgur.com/a/AiRVDC2). As jobs move over seas labor demand decreases which moves the red line in the graph to the right (which further lowers wages). Both are equally detrimental but I would argue that doubling our labor pool is more harmful than 10%-15% of our jobs moving overseas.
Yes I'm trying to say that there is less wealth disparity than the 50s and 60s before the 1965 immigration act, [that's demonstrably true] (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/ceo-to-worker-pay-ratio_n_3184623.html). Employees were much better off then now. They had one member of the household working a 9-5 job and were able to afford a house and provide for a family.
Immigration is by far the biggest factor with offshoring jobs second and technology last because in many cases technology creates roughly as many jobs as it replaces. For ever manufacturing job lost someone has to maintain, make parts for, and create the next generation of each machine.
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It's not about race it's about labor pool. I'm not arguing that people can't get a job I'm arguing that you are replaceable due to our immigration policies increasing the labor supply and our offshoring programs which have decreased the labor demand. [When populations increase as much as we've seen in the last 60 years labor supply shifts which lowers wages](https://imgur.com/a/AiRVDC2). [As jobs move over seas labor demand decreases which further lowers wages](https://i.imgur.com/t02O3un.png). Both are equally detrimental but I would argue that doubling our labor pool is more harmful than 10%-15% of our jobs moving overseas.
Immigration is by far the biggest factor with offshoring jobs second and technology last because in many cases technology creates roughly as many jobs as it replaces. For ever manufacturing job lost someone has to maintain, make parts for, and create the next generation of each machine. Either way the solution to the problem is not to bring in more workers and move more jobs over seas.
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Our Immigration laws are not lowering wages. Across the US especially in healthcare (Nurses, primary care employees, etc.)and mid level education jobs (Mechanics, Masons etc.) there is already a shortage of employees and wages have still stagnated, and when they do raise wages in those fields the prices of their services rise dramatically, causing inflation. So overall their wages may increase but inflation will make it so it’s like they never got a wage increase. And for other people in different sectors of the economy who rarely get wage increases the inflation from higher wages makes them worse off. The solution is to take the bulk of payments of employees off their employers backs (Single Payer healthcare) and possibly limits on wage increases for upper levels of companies.
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> technology creates roughly as many jobs as it replaces
No, it doesn't. I'm one of those business owners that take advantage of technological advances to reduce manpower and I can tell you that it's nowhere near 1:1.
> For ever manufacturing job lost someone has to maintain, make parts for, and create the next generation of each machine.
Huh? Can you provide some evidence of this, please? Because it doesn't take one person to take care of one machine.
You don't understand robotic process automation at all and you fully don't understand what's required to install and service an automated factory.
What is more likely is that post-automation, the factory will be producing *more* with *fewer* employees. That's if it even stays within this country. It's likely cheaper to move the factory somewhere with cheaper labor, no unions, less restrictive environmental laws, AND also implement automation.
At the end of the day, the american worker is still unemployed, but his flatscreen is cheaper.
Or it's all imigrants' fault. Fuck Tesla and SpaceX, right?
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Exactly, they've created a system that requires no skilled labor and then they go and import those laborers who are willing to work for next to nothing from other countries and expect Americans to compete with them in the labor market. Any work requiring skilled labor is offshored to Asia for the same reason. This leads to lower wages. If they didn't have millions of people to choose from they would still be forced to pay high wages we saw in the 50s and 60s.
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The conditions you're forced to work in are the issue, not the pay. I worked for a few weeks at a Walmart and it was horrific. Being thrown to the wolves with no help and having to cover three departments at once, constantly being pulled in different directions by different managers, being yelled at for messing things up that I had never been told how to do in the first place, and much more.
Not to mention Walmart is so anti-union that when stores tried to unionize to fight these bad conditions they flat out got shut down.
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> At the end of the day, the american worker is still unemployed, but his flatscreen is cheaper.
Hence why people still think the economy is booming. It's only now where people are looking around and realizing that there's no way in hell they could ever afford property that the veil is beginning to slip. "But I just bought a 4K flatscreen! I'm middle-class!" Sorry but no, you make less every year.
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That's not how inflation or single payer Healthcare works. Inflation is a complicated metric mostly governed by interest rates and the wages of a single sector have very little to do with it. And employers still pay for Healthcare in single payer system (as evidenced by my Canadian wife's private insurance provided by videotron) , on top of heavy taxes so it's not really the type of solution you claim it to be (even if it is a necessary thing)
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> For ever manufacturing job lost someone has to maintain, make parts for, and create the next generation of each machine.
This is false. The goal of advanced manufacturing is higher productivity - make more with less labor. Better pay yes, but also less jobs and higher skill requirements. This has traditionally been offset by employment in other areas (services), but that's not some law of the universe, it's just how things have shaken out so far. Maybe this will continue...and maybe it will plateau or even reverse at some point. You don't know, I don't know, and plenty of people more knowledgeable than either of us disagree or say they don't know.
> I'm not arguing that people can't get a job I'm arguing that you are replaceable due to our immigration policies increasing the labor supply and our offshoring programs which have decreased the labor demand.
If you're low skilled, you're going to be replaceable even in a tight labor market, and more exposed to the effects of automation. That said, you're correct that a tight market tends to increase wages, at least in the short term. Not always, but often. This is the best argument you've advanced.
The question is - where are we on that curve? What's the right amount of immigration?
One factor here that often gets overlooked: birthrate. [The TFR - total fertility rate - for the US is sub-replacement, and experiencing rapid decline.](https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/5/22/17376536/fertility-rate-united-states-births-women) This doesn't immediately lead to deaths > births because of [population momentum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_momentum), but eventually it catches up with us. [It's been about 46 years since we dropped below replacement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Vital_statistics_from_1935) - that 'eventually' is coming sometime in the next decade.
Now some people would say 'well duh, people can't afford to have kids. If they made more money, presto, more kids.' Except this is the **opposite** of what tends to happen - by and large, the more money people make, the less kids they have:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_and_fertility
https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/
Okay so...where am I going with this? If we want our population to keep growing, or at least keep it stable, we need to do one or more of the following:
* Directly incentivize a higher birthrate by redistributing wealth towards child care. Daycare, PreK, guaranteed maternity leave, bigger safety nets, universal healthcare, bigger tax breaks(EITC++)...all that jazz and more.
* Push more people into poverty, reduce access to education, and grow the wealth gap. Poor and poorly educated people have more kids, so if quantity is your only concern...
* Maintain immigration to the US at a level close to or even greater than we presently do (dependent on TFR). You could certainly decrease it a bit in the short term, but unless the TFR goes over and stays over 2.1, you'll just have to ramp immigration back up in the future.
* Hope our TFR magically improves with no input from anyone.
The alternative to all this is we go sub-replacement and possibly end up like Japan - a shrinking nation of increasingly elderly people, many packed in nursing homes where their best friends are glorified roombas. At least they'll have tight labor market tho...until other nations start to out-compete them.
> Yes I'm trying to say that there is less wealth disparity than the 50s and 60s before the 1965 immigration act, that's demonstrably true. Employees were much better off then now. They had one member of the household working a 9-5 job and were able to afford a house and provide for a family.
Correlation, not causation. [You can use the same reasoning to show that the decline of pirates fueled the rise of global warming.](https://sparrowism.soc.srcf.net/home/graph.png)
The 1950s and 1960s were different in many ways from now. For example: the US was basically the only world power with an advanced manufacturing base left intact after WW2. The demand for our output was immense, we were in an enviable position to take advantage, and labor was in a much stronger position to extract good wages than it is now due to a combination of said high demand and strong unions.
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It’s better than relying on shareholder greed, since shareholder greed demands offering the least costly and slowest service at the highest price you can force customers to pay. Which is easy to force customers into because the physical infrastructure requirements pose such a high barrier to entry.
That’s why “relying on the voters” works for utilities. Utility services are natural monopolies, so if you want fair treatment by the utility it has to be under public control so consumers get a say in the quality of service.
This isn’t even the same issue as net neutrality. Net neutrality is about preventing one sort of gross abuse by ISPs. It is right and proper for the FCC to have authority in that matter. They’re the natural agency to take on such a role, since they had been fulfilling it for nearly century with respect to the telephone networks the internet grew out of. It was a natural extension to apply the same principle of a common carrier to modern broadband networks.
The matter of who should own the ISPs is different from net neutrality regulation. Net neutrality *should be* enforced on both a municipal ISP and a private one. In addition, most ISPs *should be* publicly owned utilities of some sort—but they are not at present.
You don’t really get to control how much competition happens somewhere. You don’t get to bend the market that way. What you should be able to do is get together with the rest of your community to start your own ISP to serve your own needs. While you might prefer to have multiple private competitors you can choose between, that’s just not economically feasible because of the nature of utilities. It’s only really feasible for wireless providers but that technology can’t offer the level of service most people are accustomed to at home
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I used to work for a water treatment plant one of the largest on the east coast.. private always always always is massively better... why votera in a small town have better empolyees, better facilities, cheaper prices for customers...dont believe me see see flint. (That was a water treatment error would never allow water to be pumped out with out phosphoric acid to protect the pipes from degrading)
Also why do you think politicians arnt greedy? I KNOW share holder of x company is greedy. I know they want the most money for x company they are holding share.... its very predictable. How is y politicians greedy? Idk its an unknown, why does one want unknowns?
again New Zealand figured out how to make isps competitive.
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> private always always always is massively better...
Until you can't afford it, then it's massively worse because you can't get treated water at all.
> (That was a water treatment error would never allow water to be pumped out with out phosphoric acid to protect the pipes from degrading
I could *very easily* see a private company choosing to do that to save money. They're actually *incentivized* to do that, then find a way to cover up the consequences. Unlike a public agency, you can't even force them to turn over the documentation to figure out what's going on without already having standing for a lawsuit. At least with public agencies there are record retention requirements, sunshine laws, and FOIA to force them to hand over documentation of the underlying situation.
> Also why do you think politicians arnt greedy?
They are greedy, but they're at least nominally accountable to voters every so often. Shareholders aren't accountable to anyone but themselves, and corporate leadership isn't accountable to anyone other than shareholders. Customers have *very* little influence at all, except as some aggregate bulk.
I mean, fuck, look at the ISPs we're talking about. They're among the most hated companies in the United States. Comcast is a perennial "winner" of being the single most hated company in the country. Doesn't hurt their profitability at all, so they don't change their practices a bit.
> How is y politicians greedy? Idk its an unknown, why does one want unknowns?
How is that an unknown? They want to stay in office and keep collecting contributions. Easy to figure out what sort of influences they'll have.
Shareholders? Their goals are way harder to figure out. Different sort of investors have different reasons for holding shares in a company, and that's not always even a good thing.
> again New Zealand figured out how to make isps competitive.
Yeah, because they have a single company that owns the lines and the government of New Zealand forces them to sell wholesale access to other providers. It's "competitive" in that there are many internet resellers you can buy access from, but non-competitive in that it's just one company running the infrastructure, who's only reason for making upgrades is public money and public demands by the government.
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> The isps got that way because of anti competitive government practices...
No, they got that way because telecommunications is a natural monopoly. The government has actually stepped in on numerous occasions to force more competition on the internet. That's why exclusivity contracts were made illegal back in 1992. It's why the FCC has been fighting a running battle *for* net neutrality since 1996--up until Shit Pie killed it.
It's a natural monopoly because nobody wants competing private companies each maintaining their own separate networks--nobody wants unnecessary infrastructure to be deployed simply because some private companies can't work out a deal for wholesale access to the same infrastructure.
You can avoid that two different ways: A) heavy-handed government regulation forcing private companies to open access to their private networks, or B) public ownership of the network infrastructure which is then leased out to private companies that sell access to consumers.
If you just leave the market unregulated, you end up with exactly the situation we've got now--whomever first establishes a strong presence in a region can forever make it unprofitable to compete there because of the high cost of deploying new infrastructure. These companies don't even need exclusivity deals to prevent competitors from accessing their markets. If a competitor shows up they can just temporarily slash prices so low the new competitor can't make a case to expand to that region anymore. Since the preexisting company has already sunk the investment to deploy their infrastructure they can afford to take the hit longer than the newcomer. Eventually it becomes apparent to everyone that expansion isn't an option, so they just stop competing and start raising prices and cutting investment into the regions they've already got.
Even Google ran into this problem, even in cities that bent over backwards to beg them to come. That's Google with Google money coming in from search and ad revenue, who can afford to just light money on fire for side-projects. They couldn't afford to keep expanding their fiber service, and have decided to invest in serving internet content from blimps instead.
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> But its not that google could afford the materials and labor required for infrastructure. Its they could afford to pay all the taxes, licenses, lining x politicians pockets.. or much more likely x politicians pockets were filled by comcast or Verizon first.
No. Google made elimination of the taxes, license restrictions, and establishment of a friendly local government a precondition of expansion. They even required governments to allow access to utility poles before they'd even be in the running for consideration. They said upfront that cities had to compete for Google's interest, and many cities did by eliminating these regulatory barriers. Google still couldn't make it economically successful.
Google Fiber is dying because of the economics of competition in the ISP space. Even with heaps of money coming in from ad revenue to subsidize it, competing in this space is nearly impossible for newcomers.
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The closest comparison to government intervention into the market I can make would be environmental balance.
It is genuinely best to let nature do what it wants to, and only intervene when absolutely necessary. This often includes thinning or increasing the predator population (such as introducing wolves in Yellowstone, or hunting permits elsewhere). Stay as hands off as possible and allow nature to flourish, and only step in to prevent it from killing itself. The market is pretty similar to a darwinian model. Selective breeding fucks things up, natural selection creates more adaptions to the environment.
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Libertarian here - monopolies are fine. They only get that way by being good (google, amazon) or government handouts (att, comcast). Stop the government handouts, and enjoy google and amazon.
The law isn't actually against monopolies either btw - it's against anti competitive behaviour. Offering a superior product isn't anti competitive, in fact, it's the opposite. There are of course complaints of anti competitive behaviour against google, but I'm pointing this out since most of the thread seems to think monopoly == illegal.
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nobody takes pride in having a light easy user interface anymore – it hogs up more and more of the screen and is more and more difficult to push out of the way.
everything is turning into Instagram which is great if you just want to jerk off but not so great if you have some work to do.
problems that were solved 30 years ago keep coming back because morons think they're smarter than everybody else and they're too lazy and incurious to think about what they're doing.
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My gods I was just nodding through the entire thing! And you don't even have to be a programmer or someone with an understanding of coding to have witnessed this downfall; many of us that grew up with technology making great leaps (I was born in '87) can quite visibly see it. My phone now is the most powerful I've ever owned, yet all the apps (that I've used for years and years) run not much better than a phone I had nearly a decade ago, when they should be near instantaneous at this point! Thank you so much for linking that, it was more of a confirmation read than anything new but boy it hammered the nail so hard the board split in two!
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Page bloat is a common topic in webdev subs, because the entire package is delivered through the browser and can update often.
But bloat has been an issue in development since as long as I started learning development in the late 90s. I remember bitching about Yahoo IM taking up 20mb of memory, now I live on Slack, Discord, Visual Studio Code, and GitKraken, which are all Electron apps which means I have at least 5 versions of Chrome running at any given time, sometimes more.
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I have that issue not so much with the end products (though the mobile web is atrocious), but with the *tools* we developers use.
The other week I had to get a .Net API up and running on my laptop. What a god damned dumpster fire that was. Couldn't just "enable" IIS. Had to enable it with about a half dozen other modules that didn't seem remotely related, but were. And the errors you got when trying to run the .Net site were totally ambiguous. Similar issue with configuring permissions for the SQL Server database and connections etc.
Open source isn't much better. I only know how to spin up a LAMP stack fairly painlessly because I've done it 1000 times. But if you're not familiar with a stack, you're just plain fucked.
Why the fuck are all of our tools so needlessly complicated and hard to set up?
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> *problems that were solved 30 years ago keep coming back because morons think they're smarter than everybody else and they're too lazy and incurious to think about what they're doing.*
This is also known as [**C**ascade of **A**ttention-**D**eficit **T**eenagers](https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html), or CADT. The author describes his experience in similar terms:
> *I report bugs; they go unread for a year, sometimes two; and then (surprise!) that module is rewritten from scratch -- and the new maintainer can't be bothered to check whether his new version has actually solved any of the known problems that existed in the previous version.*
Note that this was written in 2003, that's 15 years ago…
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> Why the fuck are all of our tools so needlessly complicated and hard to set up?
I feel you.
Only talking about **the setup part** of the project, installing tools, linking dependencies and so on so that you can actually start developing:
So often we have to find **arcane knowledge**, in which **order to run** things, in which places to **put cryptic strings** which we don't understand, which **versions** of which frameworks don't like each other (no, just updating everything to the latest isn't necessarily a good idea), which tutorial or guide is accurate or not outdated yet and so on, it really is frustrating.
I think those tasks should not be done by people who enter the field (means, who start using a certain technology), but some sort of automation seems to be better suited? If I have to copy files from A to B, enter certain values and start things in a given order, this is **so error prone and tedious, why isn't it automated yet?**
You're so happy when you can finally start working on your actual task that you might be **inclined to ignore some warnings** or errors which might contribute to the problem we talk about in this thread.
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It's our tendency to over-complicate things. The world is trying to re-balance itself in favor of simplicity, but software just isn't following. Look at music, art, eating habits, correspondence. All of these over the past century have trimmed down to simpler forms. But as we get more and more advances in technology, software designers seem to think that the best case is to cram it all into one shiny interface. In some cases that can be a second avenue for profit as they sell education on it as well, but in most cases it just leads to frustration or people abandoning the program.
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Not to be a jerk, but it is not my job to solve your problem. As a developer of an open source library, bugs/new features that directly affect my ability to work or my ability to make money are given higher priority than yours. You have to make the case to me that it's worthwhile fixing, it's simple enough to fix, within the design of the system that I want (if I have to do some crazy hack to make it work...it's probably not going to happen).
I mean you can push a bug fix if you want, but people rarely do that. They frequently just complain on StackOverflow, which guarantees that I'll see it years after it was an issue.
Also, people just forget. If you don't care enough to follow up, then why would I care to spend more of my time on it? I'm not digging through the 100s of issues to make sure I solve yours.
If I were a company, does it make me more money vs. something else that I could add?
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> Do you want your library to actually be used
Bug count and usage are not the same thing. Every program has bugs and frequently a lot of them.
My package is in Python, so might as well check Python...6734 know bugs https://bugs.python.org/
Numpy has 1717 issues listed. I might as well mention that with numpy, I diagnosed a bug that had a simple (but hackish) work around. It still took 2 years to get it into the software in exactly the form I suggested. That follows exactly with "Also, people just forget. If you don't care enough to follow up, then why would I care to spend more of my time on it?" https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues
> or dismissed as "the maintainer can't even fix a known problem in five years"?
There's a big difference between never fixed a bug and never fixed your bug. As I said...
>> You have to make the case to me that it's worthwhile fixing, it's simple enough to fix, within the design of the system that I want (if I have to do some crazy hack to make it work...it's probably not going to happen).
>> I mean you can push a bug fix if you want, but people rarely do that.
> When (competent) developers evaluate a library, this is certainly one of the factors.
Yeah and sometimes you just do it anyways because the library is still better than the alternatives. I use six, colorama, and docopt. There are approved pull requests that don't conflict that have been sitting there for years. Outside of a few bugs though, I'm quite happy with them.
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That's great, now we have a full scale, from Amazon (who seems to like adding random gratuitous grotesque sex scenes to their shows for some reason) to Apple (who thinks sex is bad and drugs are bad and it's dirty and eww they feel dirty just thinking about it)
I don't have examples handy to illustrate what I'm talking about with Amazon, I haven't seen a lot of their original shows but I'm always surprised to see nudity and overtly sexual situations in the most random contexts, feels a lot like 90's movies when they artificially added sex scenes whenever it was remotely possible without breaking the plot.
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Oh yeah. I have little kids in my house and I try to beat them to removing the games remote installed on the kids' account before they can click on it.
They already got stuck on some cash grabby games by King and others. Luckily we don't let them spend any money online, and any one who gives a kid access to unrestricted online cash should not do that.
But what I'm worried about is a game, not vetted by a mature person, that has words or bad values that we don't want the kids to learn yet in an improper and reckless way, or that instills bad ideas or reactions into the kids. Also, when that happens, I called it.
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Im less worried about bad behavior and bad words and more worried about potential hooks. I grew up with old PC games where murder and bad language is commonplace, those games never had such hooks on them tho. While these modern cash grab games were made to hook you in into their endless gameplay. At least with Wolfenstein and GTA, I can finish it in a weekend. This modern shit is infinite and just gets more reliant on real world payments the farther you progress.
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Same.
I leave it to update and update -which it then gets stuck in at 1803 at 76% and I have to fix that- and when it boots bloat. Bloat everywhere.
Which means I had to unusual that crap and run scripts to turn off all the spying crap etc before I can actually use my PC for what I intended for.
What's worse is I just realised I put the OS on the wrong ssd, FFS.
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Hackers compromised the company's servers for more than a month and replaced the original version of the software with the malicious one.
The malware attack infected over 2.3 million users who downloaded or updated their CCleaner app between August and September last year from the official website with the backdoored version of the software.
https://thehackernews.com/2018/04/ccleaner-malware-attack.html
Been sorted since but a heap of people wrote it off after hearing about it, was widely publicised and it's probably the last thing a lot of people heard about it and you know what the internet masses are like.
I didn't have it on my current PC at the time so I don't feel particularly poned by it but I understand that some do.
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Google “windows 10 decrapifier”, it’s a powershell script hosted on spiceworks. It removes all bloatware, stops it coming back, disables some annoyances and also disables some of the more dubious privacy issues with Win10. It’s best to run the script from audit mode while performing a fresh install (ctrl+shift+F3 during the OOBE screen) that way all new user accounts created will also have all the crap automatically removed. There is guides for running it on the same site. Script is fully open so you can read it through, comment out anything you don’t need and assure yourself it’s doing nothing nasty.
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It's somewhat ironic the amount of customization and 'hacking' required to get windows 10 to function normally. Windows was suppose to be user friendly and work out of the box. This is the major gripe so many people have about linux, that's its too complicated and too difficult to setup.
Well when you're required to go in and edit the registry to make windows work as it should, is that really more difficult than typing 'apt-get upgrade' in ubuntu?
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Currently working on an image for windows 10 and we're using decrapifier. I thought -allapps still respected $GoodApps. Nope, it removed everything including calc.
Nothing came back when I plugged in the ethernet cable. I couldn't manually install the calculator either via powershell. It's a great thing actually.
We figured we would just wait for the good folks who make decrapifier to come out with the latest version before taking the latest win10 build. I think the next build is coming out in October. We'll see how long it takes them to make a decrapifier for that version.
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No, I really didn’t. [Here’s a list](https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=26&product_id=32238&version_id=&page=1&hasexp=0&opdos=0&opec=0&opov=0&opcsrf=0&opgpriv=0&opsqli=0&opxss=0&opdirt=0&opmemc=0&ophttprs=0&opbyp=0&opfileinc=0&opginf=0&cvssscoremin=0&cvssscoremax=0&year=0&month=0&cweid=0&order=3&trc=650&sha=41e451b72c2e412c0a1cb8cb1dcfee3d16d51c44). Note all the entries about “remote code execution” related to browsing a bad website, opening an image, movie, or pdf file.
Some are more indirect, breaking the security of third party programs allowing remote code execution for something like chrome.
Windows defender, antivirus, or your firewall won’t save you from busted software that’s supposed to be trusted...
There’s a funny video of someone installing Windows 95 on VM connected to the internet. It took hours for it to be conpletely compromised without touching the mouse. Once these exploits are patched, it’s easy to do a binary diff to find exactly how to use them and other places they might be. See the many YouTube tutorials on doing exactly this.
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The major (bi-annual) windows updates actually install a new version of Windows 10, move all of your files onto the new version, and deletes the old windows 10. This is done for a few reasons but I believe the most prominent one is that windows 10 is going to become a perpetually updated OS rather than windows ever releasing a win11, so the updates have to become as stable as possible.
Re-installing windows has the unfortunate side effect of deleting all of your settings. Microsoft likely has the ability to fix lost settings, but considering that losing settings means installing bloatware, turning Cortana on, and making edge your browser, they are incentivized not to.
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I mean that's great and all, but it reminds me of that concussion skit "Why do we need this?". The fact that this has to exist to satisfy PAYING customers is ridiculous at best. If you pay nearly 200$ for a windows license in some places it should not be this way.
I somewhat hope the day I have to upgrade, being an EU citizen, someone has told M$ to stop doing this crap.
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Most anti-viruses companies provide a removal tool for their own products if the standard windows uninstallation fails. McAffee’s is called MCPR “McAfee Consumer Product Removal Tool”, should be able to find it with a quick search and give it a shot.
As an aside, check out Ninite. It’s a useful little thing that lets you select a list of common every day software such as web browsers, PDF readers, media apps etc. It packages them all into once nice exe and then installs them all automatically. It even automatically un-checks them boxes that install McAffee and Bing bar etc.
The next time you run the Ninite exe it’ll update all of the stuff it installed for you on the first run. No more accidentally installing McAffee on your 18th adobe update of the week!
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I dreaded the "upgrade" to 10, but I had just built a new gaming desktop and it was inevitable. I immediately turned *everything* off relating to tracking, ads, background apps, user data, etc. Ran scripts to get rid of unnecessary junk. Didn't have any issues for a while.
Then it updates and suddenly my net speed drops... because it decided to install, use on start-up, and upload allllllll of my storage onto OneDrive without asking or even making it obvious that's what was happening. Turned that shit off and disabled it.
THEN the next update, I start getting fucking pop-up ads through the notification bar during my games and stuff. I use it for my emails, so I just thought they were spam emails at first, but they physically won't go away until you click on the *tiny* arrow on the bottom right. If you click *anywhere* else, it opens your browser to the ad's site. And Outlook now gives you ads, when it never did before. So I go back through all my settings *again* to find there is tons of new shit that's been automatically set on for tracking, running in the background, and data collection.
It's a fucking joke, and I hate being played like this. If it weren't too late, I'd go back to 7, but it's already lost support, so I'm stuck. If I had more time to acquaint myself with Linux, I might consider it, but I just wanna turn the computer on and play my games. How fucking complicated does it have to get?!
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Chicken before the egg problem. Linux doesn't work out of the box, without frustration, because most software companies and hardware companies don't bother supporting it, and they won't bother supporting it until linux has good market share.
But it'll never get good market share until it's better supported by software and hardware vendors.
Thus the usability everyone wants will never come unless people put in the effort to switch over.
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What are you talking about, Windows 7 is still great for gaming. It is still receiving updates and I'm going to keep using it after it stops getting updates, just being more careful with my files.
There is not a single game out there that requires Windows 10, game developers hate that piece of shit just as much as gamers do. the drivers aren't any faster either (maybe except for a few cherry-picked scenarios), in some cases they are slower.
Once games start to require Windows 10 and won't support Linux I'll probably buy a console or stop playing new games.
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I've disabled Windows updates for my gaming system altogether (you need to have a Pro windows version and disable the updates via group policy, other methods do not work). There's no reason for them at all. Yes, you will have certain security risks, but you won't get random bullshit taking up all the bandwidth in the worst possible moment, randomly restarting the system, re-enabling bullshit settings and breaking drivers all the damn time.
I am fine with security holes. There is nothing but games on my machine. I can format and recover everything in the worst case scenario very easily.
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I dunno, Ubuntu has gotten piss-easy to install with a lot of really great auto configuration and auto driver installation. Linux Mint following suit by nature. Steam is in the app store, and proton is already running insanely smooth.
You WILL have a better time with AMD hardware as they actually have full proper Linux support by way of actually open source drivers, nVidia doesn't care as much. But the closed source drivers still work fairly well, and give great performance regardless.
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I get ads in notification at least once a month, sometimes the power icon tells me that Chrome is wasting my battery and I should uninstall it and use Edge. Also from time to time when I open the start menu I see an unfamiliar icon in Recently Added or a tile for some game shoved in amongst my carefully curated tiles. It doesn't take much to get rid of them, but it really shouldn't be happening. Ten years ago this sort of thing meant you had a virus on your computer.
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May want to consider trying a dual boot scenario (I've heard some people have run into issues where win10 fucks grub when dual booting on the same disk, so maybe grab a small ssd for your Linux OS). Dual booting would let you play with it and run into any hard edges without losing the ability to just drop into windows and play your games to unwind. Also would give you a first hand understanding of which games would and wouldn't work
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I've been trying, but I think it's allergic to me. I've run plenty of servers with linux fine, but my brand new linux desktop has had huge issues and needed reinstalling twice. first ran linux mint 18, and SElinux started failing and eventually refused to take updates, thought it was a hardware issue, did intensive scans of my hdd and flash storage, everything checked out and my windows dual boot was completely fine, wiped and reinstalled it with linux mint 19 and i'm having the same freakin' issues. Considering switching to ubuntu and just manually enabling the mesa AMD drivers (mint does it for you) but if that fails in the same way i'm going to shelf the dream of the linux desktop for a couple more years.
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Does protonmail accept mailchimp/mandrill emails?
Lots of smaller mail services reject them because tons of spammers use the services and will redirect it through 3rd party emails which can cause those services to get blacklisted, of course mailchimp denies this and even hides the fact that mail is being rejected for spam from their customers (will show as delivered even when it's rejected)
I only ask because some services I use utilize mandrill and won't change even after i've shown them threads of people breaking down the shady shit they do and what they're hiding from customers and other times i've attempted to shift away from gmail ran into issues getting email from mandrill/mailchimp (can't even whitelist it as it's rejected at the blacklist level before it hits your whitelist most of the time)
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And these grey areas are where mods should be most active in determining whether or not someone is making a personal issue out of it or if the focus is on technology. We can also have mods sticky a post at the top that says "we need to discuss politics in order to talk about this technology. Please try to keep personal opinions out of the discussion and if this kind of discussion makes you uncomfortable, please do not post or report here. We have it under control."
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Politics is literally a part of everything you do.
You play video games? There are laws regarding the regulations to what games you can play, where you can play them, how you access them, all because of intellectual property rights.
You like reading tech news on Reddit? Will you have to deal with the laws regarding how you access Reddit, and then you have to deal with potential censorship laws regarding private companies like Reddit or Twitter. And then you have to deal with the regulations that drive the cost and access to power, Internet, security.
This idea that politics is not something you would see on this sub is ridiculous.
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It really is happening for both sides; that's what really gets lost in all of this. Weaponized trolling.
Edit: if y'all are too stupid to believe that there's no Russian-backed left-wing trolls out there, I am genuinely sad at how stupid you are. Even if they're on your team and you agree with them, it does not make them any less harmful or manipulative. Ask yourself, why *wouldn't* they also troll for the other side? The whole point is to create a hyper-tribalism that will tear this republic apart. In order to do so, they need trolls on both sides, stoking and supporting extremism on both ends of the political spectrum.
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If everyone forgets, they'll just do it again; we were betrayed over the (failed) promise of money and power. Many people already think it's just a story made up by Trump or the russians, and the methodically-spaced Mueller headlines help make the problem worse. Whether that's intentional or not is beyond me, but I've found it telling that it all started immediately after the leak, but nearly a year after the Trump tower meeting.
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He'll go away eventually, and maybe expose some flaws with the system in the process; silver lining. Like I said as early as the primaries, neither party likes him at all, and their approval is required for most of his dumber ideas. Wall? Still sand. Deport mexicans? Still here. Muslim ban? Blocked 7 out of 30 countries for a month. The rest of the government has basically ensured that he's nothing but a rubber stamp and shitty diplomat. And the handful of things he _has_ actually done would have been done by pretty much any other republican. Bush was waay worse than this clown, and most of us survived that.
More important is to make sure that when the clock _tocks_, that the democrats are actually left-leaning progressives willing to take on the major issues crippling this country like healthcare, retirement, and higher education, and not this mealy 'republican lite' establishment crap they've been putting in office for 30 years.
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GDPR is at least in part a translation of UK law to the EU*. We already had PECR and DPA which were 95% the same as GDPR... before the deadline we had ICO guys going around giving talks basically saying 'If you were compliant before, you'll be compliant after.. don't worry about it'.
It's more likely they'll simply weaken it to allow the government to do anything it likes.
* Not unusual.. EU->National law has always been a two way thing
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The requirement, and the big argument around the withdrawl bill, is ensuring all the laws get copied across as intact as possible. The big arguments have been around attempts by the government to skirt that more than just creating replacement institutions to replace the EU ones we use currently. They have tried to allow blanket no oversight rewriting of work rights and environmental protections amoung other things, hence why the Lords rejecting the bill a bunch of times already.
I am not as confident that the laws will end up getting scribed across and made UK law at this point, too many shenanigans going on with a press that is focussed on calling anyone who tries to stop it anti Brexit, instead of what it really is which is anti-dictatorship.
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Most areas are pretty much copy and pasted from the 88+ page GDPR document, and the Data Protection Act 2018 is much larger, but it's definitely the British version.
The main difference is making sure that its built around how UK law work, and adding specific details, since GDPR was a directive and left the details down to each country to implement so that it worked in their own legal systems.
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The GDPR was a Regulation not a Directive though. There are parts of it that acted as a Directive, which the Data Protection Act is used to implement, but the majority of it was Regulation that applied regardless of local legislation.
The GDPR in the Data Protection Act is referred to by it's EU Regulation, and the whole of it isn't in the legislation as far as I can tell. (obviously I could be wrong)
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Just saved myself the cost of a TV by fixing my broken one. Cost $50 in parts. Learned everything I needed to know from YouTube. Same goes for the oven I fixed with the only cost being a cheap soldering iron and multimeter. We need to be allowed to repair our own stuff. Also I found it quite empowering when I fixed my own stuff. Gave me a great sense of accomplishment.
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Third party repair and warranty issues. It's not as simple as you think. Companies like apple can literally sue for that. It's weird really that we aren't allowed to decide how we want to repair an iPhone we paid 1000 bucks for. We should have the right to repair our products ourselves and maintain a warranty/not brick the software (as long as we do it right and there is no direct damage from the repair) and we should be able to go to whichever third party we want without them risking a lawsuit for repairing our phone cheaper. A lot of places don't even have authorized dealers near them. In terms of their safety liability, all it takes is an additional clause related to those repair terms
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In addition to whT u/numinak said...
It is common today to patent various components used in larger products, and then write code for controllers/microprocessors that, in addition to what other functions they do will also "look" to see if those components are installed. Even more, the individual components can also have controllers/microprocessors that are protected by patents and copyright. That coding on the controller/microprocessor is now protected by copyright and/or patents.
This can effectively stop other companies from repairing using off-the-shelf components.
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John Deere wants to prevent farmers from repairing or tweaking stuff, because they want them to pay 3x what a diesel/farm tech would charge. Add to the fact they'll "get someone there when they can", which can be up to three days. But Farmers don't have that much spare time when they're harvesting.
Deere is also claiming Farmers will tweak them so they don't run within emissions guidelines, so they want to block them out entirely..... But it's mostly for the increased revenue.
As a result other companies are jumping on the bandwagon because the shareholder's are more interested in monthly insurance/subscription.
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The Digital Millennium Copyright Act makes it a felony to circumvent [DRM](https://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm_digital_restrictions_management). Increasingly, companies like John Deere are making it so that the embedded control computer in their machines detects when a failure occurs, and then -- even if the mechanical fault gets repaired -- disables operation until the fault code is cleared by an "authorized" technician using the manufacturer-supplied cryptographic key.
So repair in general is not *directly* illegal, but repairing a John Deere tractor effectively is because it requires "hacking" the ECU!
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Here’s the thing, for the most part nobody is stopping you. People hem and haw about these companies taking away your rights to repair but the truth is, if you told them to fuck off and did it anyway, there’s not much they can do to stop you.
Sure they’re going to try to weasel out of a warranty, and truth be told if something breaks on you and is covered under warranty a person shouldn’t be trying to repair it anyway.
I’ve been fixing things my whole life. Nobody has ever shown up and told me I can’t. People are lazy and have little inclination to learn how to fix things.
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I deem you a TV expert now... So MAAAAAYBE you know what's wrong with my 3d tv downstairs.
Imagine a piece of paper where you fold it over itself then put I back to normal.
Basically by tv has a line through it's picture and it looks like the paper thing I described above. The it makes the picture bounce up and down a bit...
I know you probably don't know why I'm talking about but I have no idea what to Google that I haven't already tried to fix it.
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Except there are several cases, Verizon and AT&T for example, were given billion in tax breaks to upgrade infrastructure and hire thousands of workers. However, hat money ended up being diverted to shareholders and the infrastructure was never really upgraded. NY AG has attempt to take them to court over one of Verizon's cases, but it was worded so vaguely nothing really came of it last I had seen.
And this has happened multiple times for each company.
Additionally, there was a huge tax incentive that was going to be given to manufacturers to hire more people, and they were all for it, but off the record they admitted it wasn't actually going to go towards hiring people
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I get how that seems like horseshit, but they don't do this kind of thing to screw the end user. Car companies don't get those repair dollars. They want their car to be as good, fixable, long lasting, and cheap to maintain as possible. Toyota gets lots of its customers based on reliability and lowest cost to own over the life of the car. They also need good general performance as well, so some parts are going to be hard to get at. Some companies are horseshit with these anti-consumer practices, but Toyota isn't and most car companies don't try those types of tricks.
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So that bit about the code being needing to be cleared is not true. The DTCs will go away as soon as what ever fault that triggers them is satisfied. Some of the engine DTCs may require some time before that happens but a hard reset on the system will fix that as well. No technician required if you know what you are doing. Knowing what to do is where they are getting in trouble since they won’t release the repair manuals unless you are a dealer.
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what the devil? it was invented to plow fields, just the same as Lamborghini tractors
this shit stinks like desperation..
wanna change my software to a subscription based service, maybe if there's decent upgrades along the way. wanna keep your Kelly Clarkson hit record from being pirated.. I get it.
but NOT with a fuxking mechanical piece of equipment that someone paid for up front to OWN
stinks like a pile of Monsanto manure
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In addition to the other posts about warranties voided, I believe John Deere literally put encryption and software locks on some of their sensors and diagnostics to make it not work. I don't know the exact specifics, but imagine your tractor has computer software in it and won't start unless an authorized John deere battery was put in from an authorized John deere repair shop. We'll guess what, John Deere can now massively overcharge. It's also a big inconvenience for a relatively simple task, transporting that huge combine, and there's almost no competition for repair centers (they have to pay John deere a bunch of money to be authorized) so you'd have to wait days for that new battery.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/kzp7ny/tractor-hacking-right-to-repair
Some farmers are hacking their firmware and using a pirated diagnostic tool to get around these software locks at the expense of their warranty.
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Panasonic wanted a couple hundred dollars to fix an old TV that sometimes wouldn't turn on. I googled the problem and learned that it could be fixed with a firmware update. This wasn't a smart TV, but it had an SD card slot for viewing photos and videos and would automatically install new firmware if it was formatted correctly on the card.
Problem fixed for free in 5 minutes. They don't even want to make it easy for *software* fixes, it seems. Had to get the files off someone's Google Drive account that were linked to in a forum post.
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"The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act (P.L. 93-637) is a United States federal law (15 U.S.C. § 2301 et seq.). Enacted in 1975, the federal statute governs warranties on consumer products. "
-- source: wikipedia
"Those stickers on gadgets that say you'll void your warranty if they're removed? You've probably come to expect them whenever you purchase a new device. The FTC has just made clear, however, that those warranty notices are illegal"
-- https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/11/ftc-warranty-warning/
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You are correct on the repair part. They do not release their service manuals unless you are an authorized dealer. That is similar with most of the market though not just Deere And I see that shifting at the end of this whole debacle.
The big issue that gets brought up is software. You are correct that they don’t want people going in and “tweaking” it for what ever reason. This a lot because of IP reasons and safety. They spend a lot of money developing that software and if you have access to tweak it then you have access to copy it. Also this is heavy machinery and if you accidentally shift the right bit out of place you could drive an implement function instead of turning on the lights.
There is no revenue gained by locking you out from modifying the software that drives the machine. There is revenue gained by not allowing you access to the service software that is needed to repair or diagnose issues from time to time which is what they lock down.
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Yep. And *every other consumer good with a microchip in it* is either vulnerable to the same control tactic by megalomaniacal manufacturers, or -- like [Keurig coffee machines](https://www.theverge.com/2015/2/5/7986327/keurigs-attempt-to-drm-its-coffee-cups-totally-backfired), [Tesla cars](https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/4xapnd/tesla-self-driving-vehicle-drm) or [Lexmark printers](https://boingboing.net/2017/05/30/printer-eschatology.html) -- has already been infected with it.
And with the advent of ultra-small, ultra-low-power "internet of things" technologies, "every consumer good with a microchip in it" will be *literally every consumer good, period* in the not-so-distant future.
It is really nothing less than an attempt to do away with private property ownership entirely and replace it with copyright-enforced neo-feudalism.
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yeh I remember Teslut reprogramming some cars with an over the air software 'update' for some extra mileage so ppl could get out of whatever hurricane was screwing the east coast a year or two ago.
as if OnStar with remote disable wasn't bad enough... I don't really like where all this is going.
and then 5 yrs from we find out that their central server has been compromised (oh 6 mo prior btw) and now your vehicle might drive off a cliff. just don't blame our autopilot feature..
it's all right there in the contract you signed your life over with when buying the car.
there's something off about the idea of liability (and DRM) contracts outlasting the warranty of a vehicle
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I've been working in IT for about 8 years. I have multiple certifications and have worked on many different types of devices.
I once was doing a part replacement on a laptop, forget which company, and he would not ship it out to my house because he "had to ship it to a certified technician" which I think they had local contracts.
It took everything I had but I managed to calmly staten "Sir, I am certified, this is my job, send me the part."
He was so smug and adamant about it that it was the closest I've come to verbally abusing a CSR, which I try to avoid because I've worked customer service before.
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So no offense but not even close. I get that you don’t know the specifics but I will try to highlight the issues in you statement.
First, they do not have any encryption or locks that will keep you from replacing your battery with an aftermarket battery. Same for any simple sensor. If the part you replace is equivalent in specs then it can be replaced without any issue.
Where I think you are getting confused is the comments around the 5min mark on the video. The more complex parts, or the computers, do not come pre programmed off the shelf. So when you by that service part it needs to be programmed after installing it in the machine but that can only be done if you have access to the service software and tools. Aka Service Advisor. Which is restricted to dealers. Even if you would have the pirated tool you still won’t have access to the actual software that needs to be installed.
The biggest issue is that they don’t release the service manuals that detail the root cause of the codes and how to fix them. That documentation is restricted to dealers.
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Did you read the article? I assume it was true, so maybe find an alternative source that disputes it.
"As tractors have become more high-tech, we do not have the ability to hook up a tractor to diagnose it, to repair it, or even to activate parts that we’ve already bought. There are used parts that are available, but if I put them on, the tractor won’t run” because of software activation locks."
" John Deere makes farmers sign licensing agreements that limit the amount of tinkering they are supposed to do one their equipment; violating it could be considered breach of contract and farmers who do are liable to be sued"
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I think I was close in illustrating the point. Obviously the battery isn't software activation locked, it was an example. But the article has the quote "we do not have the ability to hook up a tractor to diagnose it, to repair it, or even to activate parts that we’ve already bought. There are used parts that are available, but if I put them on, the tractor won’t run because of software activation locks." It's not even an issue of the software not being already on the device, as it was obviously on the used device. It's just not compatible because of software locks. Explain how the quote is wrong. Why does the service software need to be restricted to authorized dealers?
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It looks similar when the lines are across his TV but mine is just one line, in one particular area.(And it's still watchable just annoying to set line pop up and change the picture then go away and repeat) Maybe my capacitor isnt as far gone as his? Ill pop the back off and see if there is something visibly wrong with the capacitors.
Thanks for your help I love people on Reddit <3
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>wanna keep your Kelly Clarkson hit record from being pirated.. I get it.
Serious question - what's the difference between this and buying a tractor?
The software bit I get, _if_ that subscription comes with a regular schedule of updates and added features.
But buying music should be the same as buying a tractor IMO. Once you own it you should be able to do what you want with it, and it shouldn't be locked behind some kind of service or auto-checking computer program that only lets you play it on that one device or program.
You still can't publish the song as if it were your own - that's protected by IP laws - but you should be able to do whatever you like with your discrete copy of it.
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Replaced the cpu on my DLP tv after some common corruption issues a couple years back that was $40 and an hour of my time BOOM! New tv. Replaced the lamp on it this year for $45. BOOM! New tv again. 2007 Mitsubishi 65” DLP 1080p is as beautiful as it was the day I bought it in 2007, and looks stellar holding up well with other 1080p’s that came along later. It’s no 4K LED but I have no need to replace it and it is still great for movies and gaming. It’s been through 5 moves without a scratch too and only weighs ~70 pounds.
The “cost” of looking up how to fix things is well worth the effort. A $2200 tv from 2007 (from circuit city lol) isn’t scrapped.
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>Btw, timing belt, head bolts, seals, etc while you're at it. Fuck off Toyota.
Please suggest a better way of designing an engine to change a timing belt easier. It's also not a Toyota specific problem, every car manufacturer's engine makes it labor intensive to changing a belt. That's your fucking fault for neglecting maintenance and they also make engines that use timing chains that should last the life of the vehicle.
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