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pythondev
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My bad, you problem need to apt it
2017-09-29T16:43:22.000277
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:43:22.000277
1,506,703,402.000277
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pythondev
help
Do the `apt list`
2017-09-29T16:43:27.000331
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:43:27.000331
1,506,703,407.000331
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pythondev
help
Like john
2017-09-29T16:43:33.000184
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:43:33.000184
1,506,703,413.000184
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pythondev
help
```darin@puter:~$ apt list python-problem-report Listing... Done python-problem-report/xenial-updates,xenial-updates,xenial-security,xenial-security 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.10 all N: There is 1 additional version. Please use the '-a' switch to see it```
2017-09-29T16:44:03.000336
Seema
pythondev_help_Seema_2017-09-29T16:44:03.000336
1,506,703,443.000336
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pythondev
help
~btw, that’s a super specific problem for that dude on SO to sound so upset that you asked the question lol~ < probably just reading it wrong
2017-09-29T16:44:17.000462
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:44:17.000462
1,506,703,457.000462
95,107
pythondev
help
now he's saying its this package
2017-09-29T16:45:46.000237
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:45:46.000237
1,506,703,546.000237
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pythondev
help
<https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport>
2017-09-29T16:45:48.000125
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:45:48.000125
1,506,703,548.000125
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pythondev
help
he doesn't sound really upset
2017-09-29T16:45:54.000156
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:45:54.000156
1,506,703,554.000156
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pythondev
help
So but I do have this installed, that's the weird thing
2017-09-29T16:46:19.000336
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:46:19.000336
1,506,703,579.000336
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pythondev
help
```(py3) joshua@tandem[~] dpkg -l | grep apport ii apport 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.10 all automatically generate crash reports for debugging ii apport-symptoms 0.20 all symptom scripts for apport ii python3-apport 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.10 all Python 3 library for Apport crash report handling```
2017-09-29T16:46:23.000121
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:46:23.000121
1,506,703,583.000121
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pythondev
help
So what actually installs the hook?
2017-09-29T16:46:28.000291
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:46:28.000291
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pythondev
help
<@Mallie> what about the other… what john did
2017-09-29T16:46:49.000001
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:46:49.000001
1,506,703,609.000001
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pythondev
help
Or maybe that's the lib but I don't have the hook, let me see - yeah was just thinking that
2017-09-29T16:46:59.000063
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:46:59.000063
1,506,703,619.000063
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pythondev
help
k I installed it
2017-09-29T16:47:40.000373
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:47:40.000373
1,506,703,660.000373
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pythondev
help
```(py3) joshua@tandem[~] dpkg -l | grep python-problem ii python-problem-report 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.10 all Python library to handle problem reports ```
2017-09-29T16:47:42.000493
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:47:42.000493
1,506,703,662.000493
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pythondev
help
I don't have python-problem-report installed
2017-09-29T16:48:01.000062
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:48:01.000062
1,506,703,681.000062
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pythondev
help
I installed it and it doesn't happen
2017-09-29T16:48:12.000093
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:48:12.000093
1,506,703,692.000093
95,119
pythondev
help
```darin@puter:~$ dpkg -l | grep apport ii apport 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.10 all automatically generate crash reports for debugging ii apport-gtk 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.10 all GTK+ frontend for the apport crash report system ii apport-symptoms 0.20 all symptom scripts for apport ii python3-apport 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.10 all Python 3 library for Apport crash report handling ```
2017-09-29T16:48:56.000061
Seema
pythondev_help_Seema_2017-09-29T16:48:56.000061
1,506,703,736.000061
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pythondev
help
```john: python-problem-report/trusty-updates,trusty-security 2.14.1-0ubuntu3.25 all dw: python-problem-report/xenial-updates,xenial-updates,xenial-security,xenial-security 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.10 all```
2017-09-29T16:48:56.000212
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:48:56.000212
1,506,703,736.000212
95,121
pythondev
help
Ohh I probably installed it to system
2017-09-29T16:48:57.000031
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:48:57.000031
1,506,703,737.000031
95,122
pythondev
help
I am in a venv
2017-09-29T16:49:02.000450
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:49:02.000450
1,506,703,742.00045
95,123
pythondev
help
they even have slightly different ones
2017-09-29T16:49:11.000031
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:49:11.000031
1,506,703,751.000031
95,124
pythondev
help
<@Mallie> do you have an /etc/default/apport
2017-09-29T16:49:14.000511
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:49:14.000511
1,506,703,754.000511
95,125
pythondev
help
?
2017-09-29T16:49:16.000083
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:49:16.000083
1,506,703,756.000083
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pythondev
help
<@Orpha> that's not listing installed version, just available
2017-09-29T16:49:49.000002
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:49:49.000002
1,506,703,789.000002
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pythondev
help
ah
2017-09-29T16:50:14.000394
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:50:14.000394
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pythondev
help
my bad
2017-09-29T16:50:18.000349
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:50:18.000349
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pythondev
help
<@Antionette> yeah I do
2017-09-29T16:50:23.000174
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:50:23.000174
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pythondev
help
<@Mallie> `enabled=1`?
2017-09-29T16:50:42.000135
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:50:42.000135
1,506,703,842.000135
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pythondev
help
if yes then its definitely getting stopped by venv
2017-09-29T16:50:52.000298
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:50:52.000298
1,506,703,852.000298
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pythondev
help
yup
2017-09-29T16:50:52.000308
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:50:52.000308
1,506,703,852.000308
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pythondev
help
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if urllib is a namespace package then there are never guarantees that urllib modules are imported, thus you would need to always `import urllib.parse` in your code.
2017-09-29T16:51:00.000260
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T16:51:00.000260
1,506,703,860.00026
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pythondev
help
^ thats what we all believe to be true
2017-09-29T16:51:17.000054
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:51:17.000054
1,506,703,877.000054
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pythondev
help
on some systems, it seems that you can throw an error and it will import everything
2017-09-29T16:52:07.000351
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:52:07.000351
1,506,703,927.000351
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pythondev
help
actually, wonder if it is everything
2017-09-29T16:52:38.000374
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:52:38.000374
1,506,703,958.000374
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pythondev
help
Right, cause it triggers some package which then imports the modules
2017-09-29T16:52:46.000150
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T16:52:46.000150
1,506,703,966.00015
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pythondev
help
Ah so I set `enabled=0` and then reloaded the apport service and sure enough it does what is expected
2017-09-29T16:53:00.000529
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:53:00.000529
1,506,703,980.000529
95,139
pythondev
help
ha nice
2017-09-29T16:53:02.000571
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:53:02.000571
1,506,703,982.000571
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pythondev
help
<@Seema> or <@Antionette> can you run ``` dir() throw and error then dir() again```
2017-09-29T16:53:10.000432
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:53:10.000432
1,506,703,990.000432
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pythondev
help
<@Mallie> awesome, so answer found?
2017-09-29T16:53:34.000296
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:53:34.000296
1,506,704,014.000296
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pythondev
help
Yeah
2017-09-29T16:53:50.000119
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:53:50.000119
1,506,704,030.000119
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pythondev
help
```Python 3.5.2 (default, Aug 18 2017, 17:48:00) [GCC 5.4.0 20160609] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. &gt;&gt;&gt; dir() ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__loader__', '__name__', '__package__', '__spec__'] &gt;&gt;&gt; throw an error because you didn't catch the ball File "&lt;stdin&gt;", line 1 throw an error because you didn't catch the ball ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax &gt;&gt;&gt; dir() ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__loader__', '__name__', '__package__', '__spec__'] ```
2017-09-29T16:53:58.000224
Seema
pythondev_help_Seema_2017-09-29T16:53:58.000224
1,506,704,038.000224
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pythondev
help
ok, so only with import of something (read urllib)
2017-09-29T16:54:25.000472
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:54:25.000472
1,506,704,065.000472
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pythondev
help
but yea, so that package is just loading it when error happens
2017-09-29T16:54:57.000518
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:54:57.000518
1,506,704,097.000518
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pythondev
help
Yeah I took a peek at that. Definitely on my list of stuff to try. Harassing the companies to release my data the right way has been one way I’ve tried it, too.
2017-09-29T16:55:17.000384
Zaida
pythondev_help_Zaida_2017-09-29T16:55:17.000384
1,506,704,117.000384
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pythondev
help
Oh haha we could've just used `-v` to watch imports
2017-09-29T16:55:28.000230
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:55:28.000230
1,506,704,128.00023
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pythondev
help
john showed that it can be any error even before import which I find bizarre because it is preloading a solution to the import statement
2017-09-29T16:55:30.000072
Seema
pythondev_help_Seema_2017-09-29T16:55:30.000072
1,506,704,130.000072
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pythondev
help
that was a fun 2 hours, thanks for the question <@Seema> :taco:
2017-09-29T16:55:30.000139
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:55:30.000139
1,506,704,130.000139
95,150
pythondev
help
You learn something everyday
2017-09-29T16:55:35.000191
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:55:35.000191
1,506,704,135.000191
95,151
pythondev
help
lol
2017-09-29T16:55:38.000175
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:55:38.000175
1,506,704,138.000175
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pythondev
help
yea, thats still weird, you should test that with that package too
2017-09-29T16:56:14.000469
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:56:14.000469
1,506,704,174.000469
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pythondev
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the confusion is somewhat related to this I think <http://ncoghlan-devs-python-notes.readthedocs.io/en/latest/python_concepts/import_traps.html#the-submodules-are-added-to-the-package-namespace-trap>
2017-09-29T16:56:23.000463
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:56:23.000463
1,506,704,183.000463
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pythondev
help
because the submodules are loaded to the global namespace
2017-09-29T16:56:35.000349
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:56:35.000349
1,506,704,195.000349
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pythondev
help
without the module itself getting loaded until import is called
2017-09-29T16:56:45.000256
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:56:45.000256
1,506,704,205.000256
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pythondev
help
anytime, learned something too. Now I need to know how does it preload the answer to urllib import.
2017-09-29T16:56:47.000140
Seema
pythondev_help_Seema_2017-09-29T16:56:47.000140
1,506,704,207.00014
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pythondev
help
<@Antionette> Thank you. Off to pickup kid but will consume when I return. That's the magic I wanted.
2017-09-29T16:57:34.000352
Seema
pythondev_help_Seema_2017-09-29T16:57:34.000352
1,506,704,254.000352
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pythondev
help
ah ok
2017-09-29T16:58:01.000290
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T16:58:01.000290
1,506,704,281.00029
95,159
pythondev
help
:taco: <@Seema>
2017-09-29T16:58:02.000078
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:58:02.000078
1,506,704,282.000078
95,160
pythondev
help
:taco: <@Antionette>
2017-09-29T16:58:11.000387
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:58:11.000387
1,506,704,291.000387
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pythondev
help
:taco: <@Orpha>
2017-09-29T16:58:25.000312
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:58:25.000312
1,506,704,305.000312
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pythondev
help
thanks!
2017-09-29T16:59:04.000284
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:59:04.000284
1,506,704,344.000284
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pythondev
help
That was fun
2017-09-29T16:59:13.000138
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T16:59:13.000138
1,506,704,353.000138
95,164
pythondev
help
I think Martjin Pieters deserves the most tacos lol
2017-09-29T16:59:23.000391
Antionette
pythondev_help_Antionette_2017-09-29T16:59:23.000391
1,506,704,363.000391
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pythondev
help
If he were to grace us he could have all my tacos for a week lol
2017-09-29T16:59:39.000448
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:59:39.000448
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pythondev
help
Great answer too, no surprise
2017-09-29T16:59:49.000146
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T16:59:49.000146
1,506,704,389.000146
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pythondev
help
Tells you the why and how to deal with the general idea in the future
2017-09-29T17:00:13.000490
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T17:00:13.000490
1,506,704,413.00049
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pythondev
help
One day we will all be like Martjin Pieters... one day
2017-09-29T17:01:05.000152
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T17:01:05.000152
1,506,704,465.000152
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pythondev
help
he'll be Jon Skeet if Jon Skeet ever ascends into the machine as some magical AI/human consciousness :angel:
2017-09-29T17:02:12.000088
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T17:02:12.000088
1,506,704,532.000088
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pythondev
help
Wow, look at those reputation points.
2017-09-29T17:02:59.000270
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T17:02:59.000270
1,506,704,579.00027
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pythondev
help
<@Vena> `wget -r --no-parent <http://example.com/configs/>`
2017-09-29T17:03:54.000493
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T17:03:54.000493
1,506,704,634.000493
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pythondev
help
you have to run wget with those flags
2017-09-29T17:04:12.000264
Orpha
pythondev_help_Orpha_2017-09-29T17:04:12.000264
1,506,704,652.000264
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pythondev
help
Gave rise to some legendary SO Chuck Norris-style facts: <https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9134/jon-skeet-facts/9182#9182>
2017-09-29T17:04:34.000215
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T17:04:34.000215
1,506,704,674.000215
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pythondev
help
&gt; Anonymous methods and anonymous types are really all called Jon Skeet. They just don't like to boast. :joy:
2017-09-29T17:05:07.000224
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T17:05:07.000224
1,506,704,707.000224
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pythondev
help
hahahaha... these are great
2017-09-29T17:08:19.000181
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T17:08:19.000181
1,506,704,899.000181
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pythondev
help
It's even wilder if you see how reputation calculations have changed and are capped
2017-09-29T17:08:57.000320
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T17:08:57.000320
1,506,704,937.00032
95,177
pythondev
help
SkeetOverflow lol
2017-09-29T17:09:07.000116
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T17:09:07.000116
1,506,704,947.000116
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pythondev
help
``` Name uncapped capped Jon Skeet 367651 118596 Marc Gravell 170012 96095 JaredPar 104431 67345 ```
2017-09-29T17:09:34.000270
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T17:09:34.000270
1,506,704,974.00027
95,179
pythondev
help
And that's not even up-to-date lol
2017-09-29T17:10:43.000064
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T17:10:43.000064
1,506,705,043.000064
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pythondev
help
Point being - that dude kills it and no one will ever catch him
2017-09-29T17:10:57.000244
Mallie
pythondev_help_Mallie_2017-09-29T17:10:57.000244
1,506,705,057.000244
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pythondev
help
Definitely not. He earns more reputation in a week than I have total. lol
2017-09-29T17:13:18.000080
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T17:13:18.000080
1,506,705,198.00008
95,182
pythondev
help
And he holds a full-time job. It's like some of us are like "I need a coffee break" and his breaks are to answer questions.
2017-09-29T17:14:02.000309
Kiersten
pythondev_help_Kiersten_2017-09-29T17:14:02.000309
1,506,705,242.000309
95,183
pythondev
help
Wow, Jon Skeet makes the _really_ good prof I had in grad school look like a noob: <https://stackoverflow.com/users/41661/norman-ramsey>
2017-09-29T17:17:32.000412
Patty
pythondev_help_Patty_2017-09-29T17:17:32.000412
1,506,705,452.000412
95,184
pythondev
help
thank you, it's running
2017-09-29T19:08:09.000140
Vena
pythondev_help_Vena_2017-09-29T19:08:09.000140
1,506,712,089.00014
95,185
pythondev
help
<@Patty> I was checking out Jon Skeet's profile today and he's quickly approaching 1 million rep. He should hit it in less than 4 months.
2017-09-29T20:49:12.000112
Sidney
pythondev_help_Sidney_2017-09-29T20:49:12.000112
1,506,718,152.000112
95,186
pythondev
help
How do I read a directory into python? Can I pickle the directory somehow, then read the .pickle? f = open("/file_name.pickle", "rb")
2017-09-29T22:10:06.000037
Vena
pythondev_help_Vena_2017-09-29T22:10:06.000037
1,506,723,006.000037
95,187
pythondev
help
<@Vena> how would you "read a directory"? You can only read files
2017-09-29T22:11:46.000016
Collette
pythondev_help_Collette_2017-09-29T22:11:46.000016
1,506,723,106.000016
95,188
pythondev
help
@malinoff I just downloaded the gutenberg db. Can it be maintained in its current file format as a RDF (?) and read into python?
2017-09-29T23:21:46.000004
Vena
pythondev_help_Vena_2017-09-29T23:21:46.000004
1,506,727,306.000004
95,189
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<@Vena> <https://github.com/RDFLib/rdflib>
2017-09-30T02:06:32.000050
Collette
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say you were generating a list of 50000 objects from batches of 2000 is it faster to do an operations on each object on every batch, or once you have the 50000 objects?
2017-09-30T05:58:14.000029
Winnie
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Hi there, I have a quick question about this article here: <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/15/pretend_python_packages_prey_on_poor_typing/> I used the terminal command and it returns cryptography (1.8.1). How do I go about removing this package manually?
2017-09-30T06:47:24.000032
Terry
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Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
2017-09-30T06:48:11.000018
Terry
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I don't think you need to worry because the fake package is called "crypt" but the regex matched the beginning of the "cryptography" package
2017-09-30T06:59:42.000075
Winnie
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Although someone else should probably confirm
2017-09-30T07:00:00.000097
Winnie
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Ah ok, that would make sense because I don’t recall installing a ‘crypt’ package myself. Thanks a lot for your reply <@Winnie> :slightly_smiling_face:. If anyone else has had an experience with this, do let me know. Thanks in advance.
2017-09-30T08:13:39.000002
Terry
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with sqlalchemy core, is there an insert or update method? right now im doing `Mymodel.insert(...)` but i want to update a field if it already exists.
2017-09-30T12:40:37.000069
Bruno
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not native, apparently
2017-09-30T12:47:16.000045
Meg
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but this might get you part of the way
2017-09-30T12:47:26.000047
Meg
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yea thats what im finding. i found this <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6611563/sqlalchemy-on-duplicate-key-update>
2017-09-30T12:47:44.000118
Bruno
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oh even better as mine is for bulk inserts
2017-09-30T12:48:11.000010
Bruno
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Nice. so that will let me do `model.upsert(...)` rather than `model.insert(...)` right? I am using sqlalchemy core with async. so i don't have the full ORM
2017-09-30T12:51:32.000009
Bruno
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