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<https://xkcd.com/936/>
2017-08-07T11:13:51.270568
Antionette
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what's good with passwordmeter is the list of common password
2017-08-07T11:14:09.281516
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-07T11:14:09.281516
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can't do that (easily) with regex
2017-08-07T11:14:17.286369
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-07T11:14:17.286369
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Good point
2017-08-07T11:15:08.317369
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:15:08.317369
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I wonder if I could dynamically add current username to that list
2017-08-07T11:15:10.317990
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:15:10.317990
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some users really don't care about themselves
2017-08-07T11:15:20.324358
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:15:20.324358
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I would make it a "rules" engine myself, test against the regex, test against the username, test against the first/last
2017-08-07T11:15:32.332045
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:15:32.332045
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Username: `tommyjones` Password: `tommyjones1` -- strong
2017-08-07T11:15:41.337162
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:15:41.337162
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test that it's not in the top 100 most common
2017-08-07T11:15:43.338539
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:15:43.338539
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pythondev
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best solution is auto generate password and don't authorise to change (or only regeneration) :smile:
2017-08-07T11:16:37.371251
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-07T11:16:37.371251
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Or no password and only biometrics
2017-08-07T11:17:13.392760
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:17:13.392760
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not letting users mess with passwords? I love it
2017-08-07T11:17:52.416454
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:17:52.416454
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If you haven't seen it, NIST recently revised a lot of their password advice, some of the old wisdom seems no longer applies... Troy Hunt had a great writeup on it here <https://www.troyhunt.com/passwords-evolved-authentication-guidance-for-the-modern-era/>
2017-08-07T11:18:06.424317
Kenna
pythondev_help_Kenna_2017-08-07T11:18:06.424317
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The TL;DR was something like: - Stop requiring periodic password changes - Stop requiring specific formulas of what's okay to use - Longer is always better and the best way to make passwords strong
2017-08-07T11:19:03.458383
Kenna
pythondev_help_Kenna_2017-08-07T11:19:03.458383
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&gt; - Longer is always better
2017-08-07T11:19:27.472207
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:19:27.472207
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that's what she...
2017-08-07T11:19:30.473765
Suellen
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yup and the haveibeenpwned api seems like a very useful tool
2017-08-07T11:19:31.474421
Tandra
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Related is Jeff Atwood's: <https://blog.codinghorror.com/password-rules-are-bullshit/>
2017-08-07T11:19:37.478377
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:19:37.478377
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specific formulas are no-go, alright, but what about suggestions?
2017-08-07T11:20:03.493272
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:20:03.493272
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I'm leery of the whole emojis in passwords thing, but maybe I'm just old and emoji newfangled :wink:
2017-08-07T11:20:09.497323
Kenna
pythondev_help_Kenna_2017-08-07T11:20:09.497323
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like, "your password is rated 0.38 (or just "weak"), and most common ways to impove it are: ..."
2017-08-07T11:20:33.511117
Suellen
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and make a suggestion to add numbers, symbols, increase length. But no checking for specifics, just for a resulting entropy
2017-08-07T11:21:14.536448
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:21:14.536448
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<@Suellen> I think the observation was that if you specify a formula, you're telling crackers the formula too. And since humans tend to work similarly it actually gives them a leg up. People tend to put capitals at the start. They tend to put "special symbols" and numbers at the end. Etc. If you just leave it free form...
2017-08-07T11:21:25.543170
Kenna
pythondev_help_Kenna_2017-08-07T11:21:25.543170
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oh
2017-08-07T11:21:55.560516
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:21:55.560516
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And they swap in numerals for letters sometimes -&gt; `Password1` -&gt; `P4ssword1`
2017-08-07T11:22:16.572975
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:22:16.572975
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yeah, that makes sense, and that's exactly what I've been doing before keepass
2017-08-07T11:22:25.578361
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:22:25.578361
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The lookups are simple, lots of rainbow tables do that
2017-08-07T11:22:27.579221
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:22:27.579221
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But basically, require a length. For normal users discourse does 10char, for admins 15char
2017-08-07T11:22:51.593916
Beula
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Where if you make the length arbitrary and encourage longer passwords, it adds a lot of cracking time. The NIST recommendation was to support up to either 128 or 256 char passwords I believe. It specified a minimum of 8, which IMO is probably low, but it's aimed at the average user, so...
2017-08-07T11:23:07.602967
Kenna
pythondev_help_Kenna_2017-08-07T11:23:07.602967
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and checking agains the 100,000 most common password
2017-08-07T11:23:11.605155
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:23:11.605155
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damn, 128
2017-08-07T11:23:55.632145
Suellen
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It's weird that anyone thought it was a good idea to start demanding special characters, because most people are just going to add 1 of them to meet the requirement, whereas simply making the password longer by a few characters would have a stronger benefit with no effect on how easy it is to remember
2017-08-07T11:24:05.637735
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-08-07T11:24:05.637735
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holy guacamole
2017-08-07T11:24:07.639258
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:24:07.639258
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256 char passwords ? that require a password manager
2017-08-07T11:24:48.663340
Ciera
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If you want Jeff's suggestions (not the angry rant) -&gt; start here: <https://blog.codinghorror.com/password-rules-are-bullshit/#1passwordrulesarebullshit>
2017-08-07T11:24:50.664622
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:24:50.664622
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which is by itself a security risk
2017-08-07T11:24:55.668084
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-07T11:24:55.668084
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I think the idea is _up to_ 256 characters. With most online web apps you can just use a varchar or equivalent
2017-08-07T11:25:54.703409
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-08-07T11:25:54.703409
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good thing postgres doesn't enforce length on varchars
2017-08-07T11:26:09.712175
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:26:09.712175
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Basically: 1. Rules are dumb 2. Enforce a minimum unicode length (emoji -&gt; 1 "character" in many length checkers... is the example) 3. Check against the common password (approx 30% of people have a password from the top 10,000) 4. Check of entropy 5. Check special cases (containing username, first, or last)
2017-08-07T11:26:17.717072
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:26:17.717072
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Just use TEXT with postgres :stuck_out_tongue:
2017-08-07T11:26:29.724677
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:26:29.724677
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<@Suellen> You hash the password so it gets down to a predictable, probably fixed, length anyway
2017-08-07T11:26:45.735029
Kenna
pythondev_help_Kenna_2017-08-07T11:26:45.735029
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<https://stackoverflow.com/a/4849030/1584762>
2017-08-07T11:26:47.736310
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:26:47.736310
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I store password in JSONB :troll:
2017-08-07T11:26:50.737700
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-07T11:26:50.737700
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`varchar` without `max_length` is a `text` as far as pg is concerned
2017-08-07T11:26:50.737882
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:26:50.737882
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so that's good
2017-08-07T11:26:56.741628
Suellen
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&gt; To sum it all up: &gt; &gt; char(n) – takes too much space when dealing with values shorter than n, and can lead to subtle errors because of adding trailing spaces, plus it is problematic to change the limit &gt; varchar(n) – it's problematic to change the limit in live environment &gt; varchar – just like text &...
2017-08-07T11:27:36.765864
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:27:36.765864
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although, why am I even talking about database types, when you shouldn't be storing them in the DB... let me get some more caffeine before I say anything else
2017-08-07T11:27:53.775977
Gabriele
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oh oh
2017-08-07T11:28:19.792109
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:28:19.792109
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<@Ciera> NSCS/GCHQ (UK) is officially recommending password managers now, also mentioned in Troy's post
2017-08-07T11:28:36.802703
Kenna
pythondev_help_Kenna_2017-08-07T11:28:36.802703
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btw, since there's a great discussion going on: is bcrypt still good enough?
2017-08-07T11:28:59.816484
Suellen
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<@Kenna> because they have access to them ? :troll:
2017-08-07T11:29:26.832567
Ciera
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am sure they are good but it's still a problem if someone get access to it
2017-08-07T11:29:52.848444
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-07T11:29:52.848444
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Yes
2017-08-07T11:30:09.858914
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:30:09.858914
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(even more in companies where you can just do a dump before get fired / leaving)
2017-08-07T11:30:13.861584
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-07T11:30:13.861584
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<@Ciera> Lolz... but seriously my take is, if your adversary is a nation-state, you're probably doomed already... I ignore them and worry about the garden variety opponents... :slightly_smiling_face:
2017-08-07T11:30:14.862115
Kenna
pythondev_help_Kenna_2017-08-07T11:30:14.862115
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`bcrypt` seems to be the standard still in most places
2017-08-07T11:32:06.932475
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T11:32:06.932475
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did you hear the sad story of scrypt? it's not the story infosec people would tell you...
2017-08-07T11:33:07.970401
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:33:07.970401
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what went on with scrypt?
2017-08-07T11:37:57.148463
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-07T11:37:57.148463
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it was invented and named "better bcrypt", but wasn't used much
2017-08-07T11:41:03.258281
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:41:03.258281
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and starting to use scrypt now wouldn't make much sense because of argon2
2017-08-07T11:41:38.278552
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:41:38.278552
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I was just looking through the django docs on what they use by default - and they suggest argon2 as well
2017-08-07T11:43:10.333444
Beula
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oh cool
2017-08-07T11:43:45.354740
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:43:45.354740
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wait, is there a python implementation / bindings?
2017-08-07T11:44:02.364917
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:44:02.364917
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I searched for it, but only found a lonely github repo and it wasn't updated much
2017-08-07T11:44:58.398887
Suellen
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`argon2_cffi`
2017-08-07T11:45:25.415169
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:45:25.415169
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Looks like that's the one they link to as well: <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.11/topics/auth/passwords/#using-argon2-with-django>
2017-08-07T11:46:58.470692
Beula
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must be good enough then
2017-08-07T11:47:37.493716
Suellen
pythondev_help_Suellen_2017-08-07T11:47:37.493716
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grrrreat
2017-08-07T11:47:41.496064
Suellen
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&gt; . The Password Hashing Competition panel, however, recommends immediate use of Argon2 rather than the other algorithms supported by Django.
2017-08-07T11:47:49.501023
Beula
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Saw the password stuff from earlier. So much of the web, and business, is doing passwords so wrong. If there is a length limitation it is scary, because length doesn't matter much if it is hashed anyway.
2017-08-07T15:02:11.920167
Meghan
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or you're dealing with a crappy legacy system
2017-08-07T15:04:04.980438
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-07T15:04:04.980438
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and/or clueless management
2017-08-07T15:04:13.984780
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-07T15:04:13.984780
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Length does matter with hashing, each additional character increases the hash entropy significantly - as far as I understand it
2017-08-07T15:04:40.999380
Beula
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Sure the end hash is the same length
2017-08-07T15:04:48.003836
Beula
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I meant with storage.
2017-08-07T15:04:50.004693
Meghan
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Ah
2017-08-07T15:04:53.006175
Beula
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ok
2017-08-07T15:04:53.006544
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-07T15:04:53.006544
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I want to be able to paste the text of the bible with emoji thrown in at random into a password field and have it work. :slightly_smiling_face:
2017-08-07T15:05:12.016428
Meghan
pythondev_help_Meghan_2017-08-07T15:05:12.016428
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emojis are a must nowadays
2017-08-07T15:05:31.025887
Suellen
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I think KeePass can be set to generate passwords with ascii characters that aren't on a keyboard.
2017-08-07T15:06:17.049300
Meghan
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It refers to them as High ANSI, so not ascii, but close.
2017-08-07T15:07:04.073211
Meghan
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Hi All, Does anyone know any course or training on python with facebook? I have been trying a lot, but I didnt get anything on it
2017-08-07T22:01:16.564028
Donnetta
pythondev_help_Donnetta_2017-08-07T22:01:16.564028
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<@Donnetta> &gt; course or training on python with facebook can you give an example of what you want to do?
2017-08-07T23:13:32.358973
Deedee
pythondev_help_Deedee_2017-08-07T23:13:32.358973
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Hello,
2017-08-07T23:46:26.685775
Trudi
pythondev_help_Trudi_2017-08-07T23:46:26.685775
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I'm new to the programming world and am wondering if anyone has any good python resources for new beginners?
2017-08-07T23:48:32.706471
Trudi
pythondev_help_Trudi_2017-08-07T23:48:32.706471
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i would suggest: <https://www.udemy.com/complete-python-bootcamp/>
2017-08-08T00:38:05.197989
Donnetta
pythondev_help_Donnetta_2017-08-08T00:38:05.197989
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I am new to “facebook with python”. My main intention is to delete/post photos and posts with a python script. I have been trying for this, but i m not successful. I was only able to read/get one post and it might be very difficult to get all posts in this manner reading one post by post. So thinking on a course or tu...
2017-08-08T00:45:24.268375
Donnetta
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<@Donnetta>, I suggest spending some time learning how to navigate the graph API. Facebook now has excellent documentation how to do this and they also have a graph explorer tool where you can directly query their server and view responses.
2017-08-08T00:59:05.401242
Winnifred
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<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/using-graph-api/#deleting>
2017-08-08T00:59:09.401874
Winnifred
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<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/using-graph-api/#reading>
2017-08-08T00:59:18.403528
Winnifred
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<https://developers.facebook.com/tools/explorer/>
2017-08-08T00:59:37.406778
Winnifred
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<@Winnifred> Thats what exactly i have been trying from the beginning, but in the links that you gave, there is nothing on python, how can I integrate those GET commands with python?
2017-08-08T01:01:05.423071
Donnetta
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You can construct the calls using <http://docs.python-requests.org/en/master/>.
2017-08-08T01:02:28.437654
Winnifred
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There is `requests` package BTW
2017-08-08T01:02:34.438653
Shelly
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<@Winnifred> this should help.. i will give it a try. <@Shelly> thank you. I will look on it too.. Thank you both.
2017-08-08T01:04:08.454379
Donnetta
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There is a little bit of a learning curve on how to use `requests`, but if you use the URL structure in the facebook docs and supply the right auth credentials, you should be able to `GET` and `POST` just fine.
2017-08-08T01:05:34.469107
Winnifred
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who want to practice coding in hackerrank ?
2017-08-08T07:14:19.039476
Gala
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I am facing one problem on Django framework that is In Django Models i want id is Autofilled but i don't want primary_key any one help me how to fix it
2017-08-08T07:51:46.733057
Verlie
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<@Verlie> you should post this in <#C0LMFRMB5|django> but the answer is primary_key=False
2017-08-08T07:53:04.757581
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but i put primary_key is Flase it rise exception Autofilled must have primary_key = True
2017-08-08T07:53:54.773599
Verlie
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