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elmlang
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Oh great ! I've never noticed that. Thanks :slightly_smiling_face:
2019-05-06T10:09:18.116700
Wai
elmlang
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<@Niesha> I never looked inside the compiler code, maybe it just doesn't make sense to have Posix as comparable with the current packet structure. I'm pretty sure the good folks who wrote the compiler made that decision for a reason, so i was wondering which one it is :stuck_out_tongue:
2019-05-06T10:12:58.117100
Lilli
elmlang
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I always forget about this :sweat_smile:
2019-05-06T10:14:11.117500
Lilli
elmlang
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You need explicit compiler support for each type that should be `comparable` - you can't add new types to that list as a user. I assume `Time.Posix` just didn't make the cut.
2019-05-06T10:14:20.117700
Niesha
elmlang
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<@Niesha> thank you very much!
2019-05-06T10:16:44.118000
Lilli
elmlang
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Haskell and PureScript handle that via userspace `comparable` support via typeclasses, not sure how ReasonML does it
2019-05-06T10:18:23.118200
Niesha
elmlang
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With how many times that question has had to be answered I would love to see <https://github.com/elm/package.elm-lang.org/pull/285> merged
2019-05-06T10:26:17.119200
Augustus
elmlang
general
Such are the woes of a BDFL
2019-05-06T10:40:37.119500
Danika
elmlang
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I'm working on drag and drop and I'm trying to consistently subscribe to `touchmove` events. It appears that `touchmove` events are only sent to the element on which `touchstart` happens. However, when we get the `touchstart` event, the element itself changes. If Elm doesn't recycle that node, we might not get the `tou...
2019-05-06T14:29:40.123800
Sofia
elmlang
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`Html.Keyed` is for preserving nodes :thumbsup:
2019-05-06T14:30:39.124300
Chae
elmlang
general
Sweet! And do the identifiers only need to be unique between their siblings?
2019-05-06T14:31:44.124800
Sofia
elmlang
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That is an excellent question. I don’t know, but I’m curious too
2019-05-06T14:32:27.124900
Chae
elmlang
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Yes
2019-05-06T14:54:58.125100
Huong
elmlang
general
Is there a "forum" lib for elm that works well?
2019-05-06T15:33:55.126800
Carter
elmlang
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(or, not that keen on hosting a forum, if there are hosted alternatives that would be nice aswell)
2019-05-06T15:35:03.128100
Carter
elmlang
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How about Discourse?
2019-05-06T15:36:19.128600
Bert
elmlang
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i found a forum on elmlang ABOUT elm but i dont seem to find a components/lib called discourse?
2019-05-06T15:41:59.128700
Carter
elmlang
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I built one for my company, but I'm leaving there and we never open sourced it. I would be down to make an open source project for this.. but you probably need one soon right?
2019-05-06T15:42:11.128900
Charity
elmlang
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I haven’t seen any forums written in Elm, it would require a backend as well. Discourse is nice but not embeddable IIRC (<https://www.discourse.org/>)
2019-05-06T15:45:17.129100
Alicia
elmlang
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Ah thanks. Its for a hobby project so It needs to be a free solution.
2019-05-06T15:47:30.129400
Carter
elmlang
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Is it possible to "pre-compute" the views? I've written a presentation in Elm containing several slides : <https://besnier.se/elm-beginner-and-production-compliant/> ; each slide is a satatic `Element Msg` value (yes i'm using `elm-ui`) which is rendered each time the user request it. However, the images "flash" with ...
2019-05-06T16:09:20.134200
Loralee
elmlang
general
Well, if there is none available i take what could be available.
2019-05-06T16:28:48.134600
Carter
elmlang
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I get 0 hits when searching for "forum" on <http://package.elm-lang.org|package.elm-lang.org>
2019-05-06T16:29:19.134800
Carter
elmlang
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I would not expect to find a "forum" package.. I'd expect that to be a platform with a server and an elm FE.
2019-05-06T16:30:08.135200
Charity
elmlang
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I could atleast see an app or component that just defines an interface to server.
2019-05-06T16:46:49.135400
Carter
elmlang
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<@Huong> This sorta works, but because parent elements of our nice Keyed element can change, the `touchmove` event can get dropped on the floor sometimes. Is there a recommended approach for using `touchmove` in elm?
2019-05-06T16:59:57.135600
Sofia
elmlang
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<@Loralee> there is Html.Lazy for lazy rendering the views, but I don't think that will solve it, it sounds like maybe the server is returning headers that prevent the image from being cached?
2019-05-06T17:23:08.137700
Augustus
elmlang
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It seems like Elm is lying to me: ``` The `Html.Events` module does not expose `onWithOptions`: 8| import Html.Events exposing (onWithOptions) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ```
2019-05-06T18:00:59.138000
Royce
elmlang
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I copied the name directly from the docs page: <https://package.elm-lang.org/packages/elm-lang/html/1.0.0/Html-Events>
2019-05-06T18:01:07.138300
Royce
elmlang
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Damnit, never mind. Got bit by the 0.18/0.19 library thing…
2019-05-06T18:02:05.138700
Royce
elmlang
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You have to make a custom event decoder now
2019-05-06T19:03:02.139300
Danika
elmlang
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For posterity -- I've gotten this to work by: 1) Being extremely diligent about the structure of the nodes that I register the events on -- they have the same shape and tags at all times. 2) Putting `pointer-events:none` on all of the children of those nodes, so that they cannot be the targets of `touchstart`. It work...
2019-05-06T21:14:05.139400
Sofia
elmlang
general
hello
2019-05-07T01:37:52.139900
Johnetta
elmlang
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welcome <@Johnetta>
2019-05-07T01:40:02.140200
Earlean
elmlang
general
Hi there. I am the quiet one in the back of the room.
2019-05-07T01:41:28.141000
Aurelia
elmlang
general
Ha, Warren is so uncommon that I thought you were talking to me.
2019-05-07T01:45:39.142100
Aurelia
elmlang
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You're welcome too <@Aurelia>
2019-05-07T01:46:12.142500
Earlean
elmlang
general
Cool. I am just getting the hang of Elm but I really like it so far. I even like all the vertical stretch in the code.
2019-05-07T01:48:14.144000
Aurelia
elmlang
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Anyone for some ideas on how to debug this error on CircleCI ``` I got an unexpected zip file from: &lt;https://github.com/Microsoft/elm-json-tree-view/zipball/2.0.0/&gt; I check the hash the zip, and it seems off: Expected: 6e84a645c3c871ea742506eb1c9352c2a1b04b18 Actual: 2c6f4a6d554f9a95807ae02b0a5226038...
2019-05-07T04:16:45.144600
Lynn
elmlang
general
there have been no changes to this repo recently and everything worked 24 hours ago
2019-05-07T04:17:13.145000
Lynn
elmlang
general
I got the same error trying to install it locally. <@Carl> are you aware of the tag being force-pushed or something? :thinking_face:
2019-05-07T04:25:04.145200
Huong
elmlang
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Hey guys , i’ve made Ghost blog in Elm (it’s still work in progress) can any one make review of my first Elm SPA : <https://github.com/Tarektouati/elm-ghost-blog> ? Thanks :pray:
2019-05-07T04:39:21.146800
Winford
elmlang
general
is there a live-reload server built into elm?
2019-05-07T04:49:59.147300
Helena
elmlang
general
like elm reactor, but with live reload?
2019-05-07T04:50:06.147500
Helena
elmlang
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<@Helena> <https://github.com/halfzebra/create-elm-app> provides live reload and lot of tooling for elm
2019-05-07T04:53:16.148700
Winford
elmlang
general
here’s another alternative <https://github.com/simonh1000/elm-webpack-starter>
2019-05-07T05:07:28.149000
Lynn
elmlang
general
<@Helena> <http://github.com/wking-io/elm-live|github.com/wking-io/elm-live> is something more lightweight without webpack
2019-05-07T05:13:55.149800
Joana
elmlang
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<@Helena> or you can just use Parcel as well :package::heart: <https://en.parceljs.org/elm.html>
2019-05-07T05:21:33.150900
Lionel
elmlang
general
Could it have something to do with the org being renamed to `microsoft`?
2019-05-07T05:43:33.151000
Huong
elmlang
general
yesh, is parcel the new go to?
2019-05-07T06:30:47.151700
Helena
elmlang
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indeed, I can see that there is a discrepancy between github and elm’s package manager
2019-05-07T08:28:28.151800
Lynn
elmlang
general
repro by removing ~./elm
2019-05-07T08:30:14.152000
Lynn
elmlang
general
and
2019-05-07T08:30:15.152200
Lynn
elmlang
general
None
2019-05-07T08:30:25.152400
Lynn
elmlang
general
installing with “microsoft” is also not possible
2019-05-07T08:30:47.152800
Lynn
elmlang
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Yeah, my best guess of what’s going on is this: - package was published when it was `Microsoft` - the hash of the zipball takes into account that it was named `Microsoft` - now the org seems to be renamed to `microsoft` - this means the zipball is every so slightly different, which gives you the hash issue - even if it...
2019-05-07T08:53:13.154500
Huong
elmlang
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I’m not sure what the best course of action is - it might be best to push a 2.0.1 with a deprecation warning, and republish as `microsoft/...`
2019-05-07T08:54:08.154700
Huong
elmlang
general
the bottom line is that the package cannot today be installed/used … unless you already have it in your `~./elm` cache
2019-05-07T08:55:20.154900
Lynn
elmlang
general
elm-live is really easy, supports https, passes args to elm-make. "new" /= better :wink:
2019-05-07T10:15:00.156100
Kymberly
elmlang
general
:package:
2019-05-07T10:39:13.157300
Danika
elmlang
general
may it be the case that the Elm 18 compiler is sometimes wrong with circular dependency errors? I read it like this: the first listed module imports the second, the second the third and so on. It's right for the first few entries but then suddenly it lists something that's not right...
2019-05-07T11:40:39.159600
Earnestine
elmlang
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<https://github.com/romariolopezc/elm-webpack-4-starter> this is more like to build a full web app with SASS and other thingies
2019-05-07T12:05:13.159900
Noelle
elmlang
general
:slightly_smiling_face:
2019-05-07T12:05:14.160100
Noelle
elmlang
general
Can someone recommend to me a path to serverside rendering?
2019-05-07T19:04:41.161700
Willodean
elmlang
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<@Willodean> use headless chrome?
2019-05-07T21:08:01.162000
Erlene
elmlang
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HAHAHAHA no
2019-05-07T21:13:36.162300
Willodean
elmlang
general
Whats the problem with headless chrome?
2019-05-07T21:31:25.163300
Cornell
elmlang
general
I know there’s <https://github.com/eeue56/elm-static-html>, though don’t believe it’s up to date for 0.19
2019-05-07T21:32:55.163700
Cornell
elmlang
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<@Willodean> what purpose? Not needed for SEO: <https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2019/05/the-new-evergreen-googlebot.html>
2019-05-07T22:37:09.164100
Erlene
elmlang
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<@Erlene> 2 things. Performance and avoiding xhr requests.
2019-05-07T22:45:32.165100
Willodean
elmlang
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Hello. Is there a wait to compile in debug mode using elm reactor?
2019-05-08T02:31:51.165700
Allyn
elmlang
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<@Allyn> there is not
2019-05-08T02:32:50.166000
Earlean
elmlang
general
I dont really see the interest of elm-reactor by now, I find it too limited
2019-05-08T02:33:34.166700
Allyn
elmlang
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the omission of the debugger from elm reactor I think was an oversight in the Elm 0.19 release.
2019-05-08T02:34:32.167700
Earlean
elmlang
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but elm reactor certainly isn't intended as your primary dev environment, it's a tool for getting started learning elm quickly
2019-05-08T02:35:20.168700
Earlean
elmlang
general
we've been using elm live in our workflow for the last two years, hasn't skipped a beat: <https://github.com/wking-io/elm-live>
2019-05-08T02:36:13.169800
Ruthann
elmlang
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I was sugested to use elm-reactor for an intro to elm workshop
2019-05-08T02:36:15.169900
Allyn
elmlang
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but the lack of debug mode is a no-go for me
2019-05-08T02:36:40.170400
Allyn
elmlang
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I also use elm-live for my day-to-day coding
2019-05-08T02:37:20.171300
Allyn
elmlang
general
haven't used it for a while, thought there was a debug flag in `elm make` no?
2019-05-08T02:37:24.171500
Ruthann
elmlang
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yes
2019-05-08T02:37:39.171700
Allyn
elmlang
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Elm-live just propagate the flags after the double dash to elm make
2019-05-08T02:38:04.172300
Allyn
elmlang
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then you could turn on debug mode using elm live and you'd have what elm-reactor doesn't have right?
2019-05-08T02:38:35.173000
Ruthann
elmlang
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I was not clear about my context. I’m hosting an elm workshop, to help people discovering elm. It’s quite long (3 hours at least), and I’m often given 2 hours only to do it. So I’m looking for ideas to simplify/accelerate setup. I removed elm-live after the pilot session because it’s one more tool to install, and it ad...
2019-05-08T02:43:21.178000
Allyn
elmlang
general
<https://ellie-app.com/new> has the debugger built in now
2019-05-08T02:44:30.178700
Ruthann
elmlang
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It could be an idea indeed. I’ll look at it. Thanks for the suggestion.
2019-05-08T02:45:39.179400
Allyn
elmlang
general
prolly as good as it gets, and you can intro ellie at the same time
2019-05-08T02:47:03.179800
Ruthann
elmlang
general
You can’t have more than one file in ellie?
2019-05-08T02:51:40.180300
Allyn
elmlang
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don't think so :disappointed:
2019-05-08T02:54:30.180500
Ruthann
elmlang
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you'd have to keep your debugger part of the demo simple, pre made and share the links around
2019-05-08T02:56:00.181700
Ruthann
elmlang
general
alternatively, create a repo with elm live, scripts to setup, install and get them to clone at start of demo
2019-05-08T02:57:23.182700
Ruthann
elmlang
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scripts are not really required, as the setup is just `npm install -g elm elm-format elm-test`. The problem is with people who do not have npm, or the access right issues in linux when installing this on linux (<https://docs.npmjs.com/resolving-eacces-permissions-errors-when-installing-packages-globally>)
2019-05-08T03:01:29.185600
Allyn
elmlang
general
Feel like I'm missing something really obvious here, &gt; `Http.expectBytes GotData dataDecoder` how do I write `dataDecoder` for the following? ``` type Msg = GotData Bytes ``` i.e. just grab the `Bytes` from the response body
2019-05-08T03:04:29.186800
Kimbery
elmlang
general
I think `expectBytesResponse` is an easier path for that kind of thing
2019-05-08T03:09:12.187500
Huong
elmlang
general
ah yep, just saw that, thanks!
2019-05-08T03:10:46.187800
Kimbery
elmlang
general
it does indeed expose the body directly, typed as `Bytes`
2019-05-08T03:11:16.188200
Kimbery
elmlang
general
<https://github.com/rogeriochaves/spades> is an opinionated framework to write Elm apps. It also come with server-side rendering using `jsdom`. <https://github.com/alexkorban/elmstatic> also uses `isdom`, but it creates just static HTML.
2019-05-08T03:34:38.188300
Jin
elmlang
general
I have not used either, but maybe it is something for you or gives you some inspiration.
2019-05-08T03:35:01.188500
Jin
elmlang
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Hi, JSON decoder masters, I have a json with a string field that I want to decode to custom type. That's easy, but that field also might be null and then it should decode to another type. If it's anything else, it should fail. - "first" -&gt; First - "second" -&gt; Second - null -&gt; Comment - anything else should fai...
2019-05-08T04:00:48.191100
Bethel
elmlang
general
You could lift the `null` case out of there, and have something like `oneOf [ null Comment, decodeEvent ]`
2019-05-08T04:02:01.191900
Huong