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Each jobs takes 10-20 seconds to execute.
2017-12-24T21:17:57.000093
Berry
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Turns out, I was mis-reading the output of TOP. On per process, it' sshowing full usage (i..e 2400%), but on the top overall usage, it's showing 99% (i.e. 2400 / 2400).
2017-12-24T21:18:24.000009
Berry
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s/tuple is also just a vector (and is typically used for heterogeneous collections)
2017-12-24T23:17:23.000013
Edward
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is it possible to: 1. pass an anonymous function to a macro and 2. evaluate the function at MACRO EXPANSION time in particular, I want to do: `` (defmacro foo [ .... ] ....) (foo (fn [x] (println (+ 1))) ...)
2017-12-25T03:39:34.000051
Berry
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clojure
and I want the function evaluated at macro expansion time
2017-12-25T03:39:44.000078
Berry
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you're actually passing a list to your macro ... that might require a call to eval
2017-12-25T03:43:29.000103
Amee
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yeah, I have this weird situation where `foo` behave as follows: `(foo f1 f2 data)` where `data` is interpreted as data however, I want to parameterize `foo` by passing it functions `f1`, `f2`, that modify the behaviour of `foo` -- is this possible ?
2017-12-25T03:48:32.000089
Berry
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clojure
Sounds like (def bar (partial foo f1 f2)) (bar data)
2017-12-25T04:47:22.000062
Virgil
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maybe i lack imagination, but i can't imagine a case where some client code would use a macro, parameterizing it with a function... So I guess you're writing a macro that itself calls a macro. In that case you would want the outer macro calling into functions that build the code rather than callinbg into macros, so yo...
2017-12-25T05:13:00.000096
Amee
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in 10 (?) years since i started playing with clojure, i wrote maybe 5-10 macros and most were of the def-thing kind...thinly wrapping a function call.
2017-12-25T05:14:58.000018
Amee
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then again, i had my macro abuse period earlier with common lisp =)
2017-12-25T05:15:53.000017
Amee
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macros are a code smell (most of the time)
2017-12-25T05:16:57.000055
Amee
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that's to say, are you really sure you want a macro? and if so, can you simplify it so that it's only a wrapper around your data orienbted or function oriented underlying system
2017-12-25T05:17:41.000040
Amee
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clojure
ah nice! never heard of it :eyes:
2017-12-25T05:36:31.000072
Kristy
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clojure
I'm writing macros to help me generate clojure bindings to an java api
2017-12-25T05:50:25.000095
Berry
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There are alot of functions to bind. I want to pass it two functions, `c-name` and `j-name`, which decides how the functions are named, for example, I want
2017-12-25T05:51:07.000034
Berry
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```(make-bind c-name j-name foo bar cat dog)``` to bind cu-foo to java.jcuda.JCublas2/cublasFoo cu-bar to java.jcuda.JCublas2/cublasBar ...
2017-12-25T05:51:44.000078
Berry
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so I have c-name be a function (s -> (symbol (str "cu-" s))) and j-name something to append the java.jcuda.JCublas2/cublas and capitalize the symbol
2017-12-25T05:52:18.000041
Berry
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but now, I want the cname and j-name to be functions rather than hard coded, because I also will be binding jcudafft, jcuda/cudnn / ...
2017-12-25T05:52:41.000085
Berry
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<@Berry> can't you turn the macro into a function returning a map (of functions)?
2017-12-25T07:13:38.000032
Daine
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During cider debugging, is there a way for it to keep refreshing local variables every step ( the l key) ?
2017-12-25T08:33:22.000019
Temple
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(visually)
2017-12-25T08:45:53.000105
Temple
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Looks like a fine occasion for macros indeed. I would take it in reverse order, by first gathering/processing a list of symbol names then feeding that into a def-bindings macro
2017-12-25T12:29:06.000012
Amee
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clojure
Guys how can I call the base method of a class on an object?
2017-12-25T15:39:36.000073
Cristina
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by making a class that calls the superclass' method right?
2017-12-25T15:44:26.000025
Margaret
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clojure
maybe I don't understand what you're asking for
2017-12-25T15:45:27.000010
Margaret
clojurians
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<https://clojuredocs.org/clojure.core/proxy-super> ?
2017-12-25T15:54:34.000038
Amee
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Why I can't `(&gt; #inst"2017" #inst"2018")` in clojure? It works on cljs. And on clojure, I can compare `inst` via `sort`..
2017-12-25T16:14:07.000051
Jutta
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the fact that it works on cljs is just because javascript can do `&gt;` with Dates and cljs's `&gt;` delegates to javascript's `&gt;`
2017-12-25T16:27:23.000002
Kareen
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clojure
clojure's `&gt;` is defined only in terms of numbers
2017-12-25T16:27:33.000007
Kareen
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the fact that it works in cljs is an accident of the implementation
2017-12-25T16:27:48.000014
Kareen
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I don't remember if `#inst` in Cljs emits `js/Date` or `goog.date.DateTime` or `UtcDateTime`, if latter, it shouldn't be comparable by default, but if `cljs-time.extend` ns is loaded, that will extend `IComparable` to `DateTime` and `UtcDateTime`
2017-12-25T16:58:17.000020
Carletta
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clojure
`#inst` creates JS Date, so `cljs-date.extend` won't affect that
2017-12-25T17:03:42.000013
Carletta
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clojure
<http://www.jcuda.org/jcuda/jcublas/doc/jcuda/jcublas/JCublas2.html#cublasSgemm(jcuda.jcublas.cublasHandle>, int, int, int, int, int, jcuda.Pointer, jcuda.Pointer, int, jcuda.Pointer, int, jcuda.Pointer, jcuda.Pointer, int) is there a way to call 'resolve' or some other function, and get taht function as a result ?
2017-12-25T17:04:22.000023
Berry
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i.e. I want something that will take "jcuda.jcublas.JCublas2/cublasSgemm", and return that function
2017-12-25T17:04:36.000001
Berry
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Hm, could somebody explain me the difference between `merge` and `into`? does the latter have side effects?
2017-12-25T17:09:27.000025
Marcel
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nope, apparently not
2017-12-25T17:10:08.000001
Marcel
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`into` supports a transducer…
2017-12-25T17:13:32.000047
Marcel
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<@Berry> no, java methods are not first class in clojure
2017-12-25T17:15:25.000045
Kareen
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clojure
<@Marcel> `merge` is only for maps, `into` works for any collection
2017-12-25T17:15:41.000027
Carletta
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clojure
you could do that via reflection if you wanted to but it doesn't sound like a particularly good idea
2017-12-25T17:16:02.000032
Kareen
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<@Carletta> hmm, but `merge` does merge vectors as well. kind of
2017-12-25T17:20:56.000038
Marcel
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but yeah, merge source calls the parameter `&amp; maps`
2017-12-25T17:22:05.000012
Marcel
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<@Kareen>: so the only three ways to get a java method are: 1. type it out literally in clojure code 2. have a macro generate it at macro expansion time 3. get it via reflection ?
2017-12-25T17:23:26.000024
Berry
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yes, 1&amp;2 are equivalent, I dont know how else you'd expect to do it
2017-12-25T17:25:23.000047
Kareen
clojurians
clojure
"either statically(1,2) or programmatically(3)" make a total set
2017-12-25T17:26:43.000030
Kareen
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clojure
lol, it has been said that genius is rephrasing the question so the answer is obvious
2017-12-25T17:33:04.000006
Berry
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clojure
this works accidentally and isn't an intended feature
2017-12-25T17:52:42.000066
Margaret
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clojure
alrighty; thanks!
2017-12-25T18:26:26.000035
Marcel
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clojure
(:require [clojure.string :as ...])
2017-12-26T03:16:58.000004
Berry
clojurians
clojure
what is a good name, as `str` is already a function
2017-12-26T03:17:03.000053
Berry
clojurians
clojure
`string`
2017-12-26T03:47:55.000102
Elijah
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clojure
Lots of people use str as an alias for clojure.string, because str/lower-case doesn't cause any conflict with the clojure.core/str function.
2017-12-26T03:55:27.000144
Micha
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<@Jutta> You can use clojure.core/compare to get a result of -1, 0, or +1 when comparing two #inst's to each other.
2017-12-26T03:56:37.000159
Micha
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what is the simplest string manip function which does camelCase to hypen-separated
2017-12-26T04:10:17.000039
Berry
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ah, found this: ``` (defn kebab-case "Converts CamelCase / camelCase to kebab-case" [s] (str/join "-" (map str/lower-case (re-seq #"\w[a-z]+" s)))) ```
2017-12-26T04:11:28.000036
Berry
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<@Micha>: I have n oidea why that works, but yes, it appears that namespace alias str does not collide with buildin function
2017-12-26T04:15:08.000090
Berry
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aliases and vars live in different "namespaces"
2017-12-26T05:39:20.000043
Kareen
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clojure
what is the conceptual difference between `compare` and `&gt;`?
2017-12-26T07:37:37.000124
Jutta
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`&gt;` is for numbers. See also +, *, /, - etc. - in other languages they might be overloaded for other data types but in jvm clojure they are only for numbers
2017-12-26T08:24:37.000192
Margaret
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<@Berry> When a textual identifier contains a "/" character, the thing before the "/" is tried to be resolved as either a full namespace, or as an alias of a namespace (I don't know off hand which order is checked for between those two). If there is no "/", no part of it is considered a namespace or alias, just a symb...
2017-12-26T14:38:31.000072
Micha
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clojure
meh, can’t come to a solution :weary: I have a lazyseq (file-seq) which I have to iterate through while occasionally change a local data structure (fill and read a hash-table in this loop). Is `loop/recur` the right approach?
2017-12-26T16:54:27.000133
Marcel
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or `reduce`?
2017-12-26T16:55:31.000056
Marcel
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if you always move through the lazy-seq in order, reduce is simpler / more direct than loop
2017-12-26T16:55:40.000012
Margaret
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so it’s okay to work with only one hash-structure for both the “actual” work data and help data?
2017-12-26T16:57:04.000134
Marcel
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I’m not super experienced with functional programming yet…
2017-12-26T16:57:31.000103
Marcel
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using one reduce argument to hold both an accumulated result and ancillary data is common
2017-12-26T16:58:01.000168
Margaret
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technically it is possible, question is about whether it is a good way of implementation
2017-12-26T16:58:02.000146
Marcel
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alrighty, thanks! will try it out immediately
2017-12-26T16:58:18.000054
Marcel
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if you use transduce, you can even specify the function that gets the real result out of the accumulator
2017-12-26T16:58:58.000205
Margaret
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<@Margaret> yeah, works as expected! didn’t try transduce yet, though
2017-12-26T17:27:58.000125
Marcel
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transduce is mainly useful if you are doing some transform on each item as it comes in
2017-12-26T17:28:35.000181
Margaret
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clojure
eg. replacing (reduce f init (map g coll)) with (transduce (map g) f init coll)
2017-12-26T17:29:05.000100
Margaret
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clojure
I’m iterating through a list of files keeping some information to exclude duplicates from being inserted into a DB… (file-hash, last-modified, path)
2017-12-26T17:29:39.000083
Marcel
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reduce might be enough for now, I think
2017-12-26T17:29:49.000165
Marcel
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sounds about right - the note about transduce was because including that feature indicates that it’s idiomatic to transform the accumulator to get your value out at the end
2017-12-26T17:30:40.000080
Margaret
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one advantage of loop/recur might be, that one can continue the loop from an arbitrary position, whereas with reduce, your nested if-clauses have always to return something…
2017-12-26T17:54:30.000082
Marcel
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just a guess
2017-12-26T17:54:32.000076
Marcel
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I should refactor a bit first
2017-12-26T17:56:20.000119
Marcel
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not arbitrary, it has to be from the "tail" position, so to speak
2017-12-26T17:56:25.000038
Ambrose
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maybe it’s not that bad
2017-12-26T17:56:31.000102
Marcel
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oh I thought calling “recur” is similar to “continue” in other langs
2017-12-26T17:57:00.000043
Marcel
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nope
2017-12-26T17:57:04.000109
Ambrose
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plus new bindings of course…
2017-12-26T17:57:08.000056
Marcel
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hm
2017-12-26T17:57:09.000030
Marcel
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you do always have to "return something"
2017-12-26T17:57:26.000057
Ambrose
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it seems I didn’t understand loop-recur :sweat_smile:
2017-12-26T17:57:39.000068
Marcel
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clojure
whether you're using loop/recur, or reduce, or anything else in clojure
2017-12-26T17:57:41.000052
Ambrose
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clojure
does it mean if I have a nested structure, that i can’t call “recur” from the most inner level to jump straight into the next iteration?
2017-12-26T17:58:48.000023
Marcel
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clojure
you can, as long as that recur is still in the tail position
2017-12-26T17:59:43.000111
Ambrose
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meaning, it needs to be the last thing that could get called
2017-12-26T17:59:52.000073
Ambrose
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I should stop talking and try it out myself - I’m concerned that I start explaining my misunderstandings and embarrass myself :smile:
2017-12-26T18:01:04.000150
Marcel
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``` (loop [] (if blah-blah (if something-else (recur) (other-stuff)) (foo)) ```
2017-12-26T18:01:05.000073
Ambrose
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clojure
in that example, recur is in the tail position
2017-12-26T18:01:42.000053
Ambrose
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clojure
but your example would look almost exactly the same with reduce, wouldn’t it?
2017-12-26T18:01:44.000017
Marcel
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coincidentally, other-stuff and foo are also in tail positions
2017-12-26T18:01:59.000077
Ambrose
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just that the else-branches would return the untouched collection
2017-12-26T18:02:11.000008
Marcel
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hm
2017-12-26T18:02:14.000036
Marcel
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clojure
well, it's a fairly contrived example, the else branches here are breaking out of the loop
2017-12-26T18:02:35.000100
Ambrose
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ah, of course!
2017-12-26T18:02:47.000036
Marcel