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The fact that we already have large industries built on this, they had no response to what Drew told you, and this is critical because while some individual consumers may change their behavior, that does not mean that you’re going to get a wide-scale change. Factory farms still exist; suffering still exists, and we hav... |
I think here then it is very clear that we have introduced a unique and terrible form of suffering to animals, and this outweighs anything because this literally means that we have hundreds of billions of additional beings in the world that are suffering to a huge extent. I think that this by itself is random. Second, ... |
<poi> |
Given feasibility, it is symmetric on your side of justification for the box, it shouldn’t be for us. Must assert human selfishness, which reverses positive trends in veganism and animal welfare. |
</poi> |
Or it could be because you think that animals will have a terrible life, that habitats have already been destroyed. Perhaps our whole case. Okay, second thing, first of all, they claim that animals can access higher-level goods. Two things here, first, it’s not clear that higher-level goods actually matter that much. P... |
But the second thing to point out is that if this is true, you can have higher-level harms, grief from someone leaving the sadness that you feel from a loved one dying. Those are things that are massively impactful. They need to show that the higher-level benefits they get are outweighed when we show that the world is... |
Then they say relationships can get better. I just genuinely don’t know why this matters. I don’t know why relationships actually inherently matter, if you do not want to pursue this relationship, and by and large, many of these animals will already form communo bonds; they already have their customs. I want to point o... |
Like obviously, animals are a lot more chill than humans because they can’t think about like, you know, other people’s behavior, whether or not selfish interpreted in specific ways. So obviously, then the harms got bigger on their side as well. Then they say guerrilla social movements, Zootopia is my response. There wi... |
Obviously, we might have an alpha in our side of the house, but you’d have 40 questions, and it’s fine to acquire the scarce resources that exist precisely because of human intervention. Finally, on self-defense, yes, you can move to a forest, but it’s very difficult when you don’t have trains or planes and when people... |
What’s a group? And I tell you we told you about futile resistance; we told you about basically "War of the Planet of the Apes." Because you anticipate the fact that they might be upset, and very realistically, they may indeed be upset and attack you. They’ll obviously be incidents of animal attacks against humans, and... |
This motion is going to introduce so much suffering for so many people. I’m proud to everything. |
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I want to make pretty brief clarifications, before going to the details. The first which animals vertically experience pain and here's an actual reason it's an evolutionary adaptive mechanism that is to say as Jason himself concedes animals is experience empathy because they are communal creatures and there is a like, ... |
<poi> |
Is it humane to own a sentient being and provide them with absolutely no rights other than whatever you want? |
</poi> |
Yes, if it consents it's completely normal in my opinion, like, we have proven it, if they can say it's completely fine and we have given reasons a slightly we can say. If it doesn't consent it can run away, you can just basically say that in the vast majority cases, it's not going to disrupt me in. Second, it depends ... |
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<mo> |
Panel, the greatest horror that Franz Kafka ever imagined was waking up one day in a body that was too big for the cage, we think that subjecting every species regardless of their capacity to form an ethic system to rationalize these things on the planet to the same exact word is to inflict on them and pain Beyond cogn... |
<poi> |
So your initial framing is that Adam was just by their own lives and existence and come up with more information, that mitigates the entirety of your case to be clear. |
</poi> |
they come up with moral codes to justify why they are you know, for example, consuming other animals which mitigates opening opposition, there is no moral system you can come up with in the world to justify the horror of being imprisoned in your own mind and never being able to act upon that, there is no moral system i... |
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<gw> |
There's a reason why strong independent women are told that they will die, an old lady with many Cuts because cats and animals can love you and treat you better than anyone could ever could. I am standing for this I'm very proud to propose. Few things on this, and I want to make this very clear writing about firstly on... |
<poi> |
Animals are loyal because they can't have the disagreement done, from a killing cognition. Now it can be mad at you that you spend too much time with your girlfriend. |
</poi> |
yeah sure every animal inside them both care for them. Now let's then well specifically, with um, CO. I think there are a few things necessarily to wait this out, one, if we prove to you not necessarily there's not a big difference in terms of what pain you feel or even if it is we weighed out why it's better in our si... |
<poi> |
Yeah the reason my case is comparative is because while animals can develop moral systems to account for biological necessity they cannot develop moral systems that can allow them to rationalize the horror of being a moral agent that lacks the ability to change the world around them. That's the comparative. |
</poi> |
conditions for yourself in the secondary, there is the Tulip. I'm not sure why they have to be those oppressed animals that live within human cells will always be oppressed, not that most people just chill and don't even know human sickness like how the you know in the Amazon, they're all like you're of course that the... |
As opposed to that they haven't really proven, it's not a very different extent but we prove is, that more active surrounding and for a long time, not us. |
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<ow> |
Birth is a curse and existence is a prison. The only way to free yourself from the cage is to never enter it in the first place. I want to do a preemptive weighing of our case, where I thought of each team in the round. Firstly note, on scope, this affects every single animal by virtual taking the pill of being like a ... |
<poi> |
According to your POI the reason cognition is awful is because you have no power to change your position in the world. If true, assuming feasibility would you remove cognition and speech from marginalized groups to continue doubling problems in society? |
</poi> |
No, this is where it might affect opening. I wouldn't move the capacity to cognition for everyone because it's, it's inherently existence that is it, it's not just about knowing what to do in the world. I guess you might get a promotion or a job but the point is it's existential to the point where you can never know th... |
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