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[3812.60 --> 3819.46] might be thinking what will craig do if it doesn't if it doesn't succeed if it doesn't if this kickstarter |
[3819.46 --> 3829.34] fails and doesn't fully fund yeah uh thanks debbie downer just kidding um no i'll just kind of |
[3829.34 --> 3835.56] regroup at that point i'm gonna keep working on it regardless plan b then i kind of thought about |
[3835.56 --> 3840.88] maybe doing a smaller campaign for just xsh but god the thought of like redoing all this again and |
[3840.88 --> 3845.60] trying to be like a cheerleader again and saying like hey everyone remember me well now i'm like |
[3845.60 --> 3849.98] you've got this big thing again i'm harassing you about like i'll probably take a break if i do it |
[3849.98 --> 3856.84] maybe a smaller one for just xsh but uh i'll keep working on it for myself regardless because i've |
[3856.84 --> 3861.16] used it for myself i can't stop working on it like i've got all these these things that i i |
[3861.16 --> 3866.70] see as like obvious next steps like using uh the tree structure as actually a data structure it's |
[3866.70 --> 3875.32] sort of like a combination of a hash and an array um and like all kinds of stuff that i and make i |
[3875.32 --> 3880.12] want to make a little generator where you can take these two space indenting structures and generate a |
[3880.12 --> 3884.36] pebble app and that's like that's easy to do i think and like generate the code for pebble |
[3884.36 --> 3889.58] app during the code for iphone so i'll keep doing it for myself i just won't jump in and do sublime |
[3889.58 --> 3894.10] support and vim support right away because i'll have to probably actually get back to another project |
[3894.10 --> 3902.18] to make money other other ways basically so this is literally saving zicky for the yeah for the for |
[3902.18 --> 3907.58] the time for the time i mean it'll still live on but the trajectory the feature set the direction |
[3907.58 --> 3913.88] the future that you painted out during this show all of that just in case no one's listening all of |
[3913.88 --> 3921.22] that is not exactly riding on this but it's certainly going to lift it up it will give zicky a very strong |
[3921.22 --> 3928.86] chance of playing a big role in the uh immediate future of of tech and bringing this you know what i |
[3928.86 --> 3936.06] think is just something that the world absolutely needs a dead simple structure for you know defining a |
[3936.06 --> 3941.44] uh working ui and you know we can spread that to the world it's open you can incorporate that into |
[3941.44 --> 3948.42] your projects um you know it's it's it's it's very open like i feel like if we want something like |
[3948.42 --> 3953.00] super super open that's going to like take all these devices that are out there now that have these user |
[3953.00 --> 3958.32] interfaces and make an you know an open language and structure i feel like we as developers have to do |
[3958.32 --> 3965.72] it ourselves like companies are have vested interests in making their own proprietary languages like if we want |
[3965.72 --> 3970.74] another like html which is revolutionized the web and like before that it was like aol they controlled |
[3970.74 --> 3977.22] every you know the america online which was great and you know they they couldn't like make a standard |
[3977.22 --> 3980.94] themselves they just had to make something that worked for them but you know it was it was so far |
[3980.94 --> 3987.42] from being open and the rev the html basically just made everything possible like mobile wouldn't be |
[3987.42 --> 3992.72] mobile without without html um you know it just revolutionized everything and made everyone |
[3992.72 --> 3998.56] you know able to be a web developer and just made everything spread we we need html for like a |
[3998.56 --> 4003.74] general purpose ui like we need that and it's got to be like as simple as possible like trends right |
[4003.74 --> 4006.62] now are moving that direction anyway if you like like new languages like coffee script instead of |
[4006.62 --> 4011.60] they're like moving the direction of just like you know you do like uh here's my class and then |
[4011.60 --> 4015.90] underneath that i've got like you know a colon and underneath that i've got b colon so it's it's |
[4015.90 --> 4020.54] happening now you know like it like the world is moving that direction let's make it you know let's make it |
[4020.54 --> 4026.22] open and as flexible as possible and take control of it ourselves you know cool well let's uh let's |
[4026.22 --> 4030.96] let's uh what's the call to arms i guess besides back it which we've which pretty much punched that |
[4030.96 --> 4036.32] in the face um what is the call to arms for the community how how can people step in how can people |
[4036.32 --> 4041.64] help out besides i guess or i guess you can say backing if you want but that's that's i think it's |
[4041.64 --> 4048.46] pretty obvious uh yeah how about reach out to companies and get them to back it like i actually had to |
[4048.46 --> 4055.22] late last night i i tweeted this uh twilio thing saying hey uh everyone help me um get twilio to |
[4055.22 --> 4061.22] back this like after this i'm going to make another uh video for uh probably mozilla and a couple other |
[4061.22 --> 4067.60] companies um and the first ones that do it are going to get going to get like the most most press |
[4067.60 --> 4074.10] so if you work for a cool company that donates to open source and and uh sponsors you know uh |
[4074.10 --> 4078.80] cool conferences like seriously walk to the office and say like hey check this out |
[4078.80 --> 4086.62] you will get a bunch of press if you if you support it okay um yeah everybody uh tell your friends |
[4086.62 --> 4093.22] tell your co-workers tell your boss tell your leaders to support this if they can um you were |
[4093.22 --> 4098.26] you were my best friend right now and and uh let's talk about programming hero like uh we've talked a bit |
[4098.26 --> 4102.48] about your history a bit but so do you have any programming heroes you want to plug here on the |
[4102.48 --> 4110.86] show today yeah uh ward cunningham is my my programming hero only one uh i would say dhh also |
[4110.86 --> 4116.68] with with rails but but ward ward cunningham is definitely uh at the top like i he's he's the |
[4116.68 --> 4122.90] guy that wrote the original wiki um i remember working for a bank on a pretty cool team but you know |
[4122.90 --> 4127.82] if you work for a bank it's it's about money it's not about programming it's about not crashing the the |
[4127.82 --> 4133.26] prod server and losing a million dollars you know in a half an hour so i was kind of like disgruntled |
[4133.26 --> 4139.00] by all the structure that everyone had to go through and uh this guy joined our team and he installed a |
[4139.00 --> 4143.06] wiki and i remember looking at this you know seeing a wiki for the first time and thinking like |
[4143.06 --> 4150.36] holy crap that's you know you can do that like this breaks every rule that i've learned in school |
[4150.36 --> 4156.26] and with like structure like you know uh you just make you know i think i think every programmer |
[4156.26 --> 4161.46] should make a wiki like new programmers just an exercise you just like make one database table |
[4161.46 --> 4166.74] with a column of like name and then a column of contents and then you give people this big text |
[4166.74 --> 4171.10] area we can just type in any text and then you like search and replace these little like syntaxes |
[4171.10 --> 4180.34] like equals into you know headings html headings and with this like you know two fields and um |
[4180.34 --> 4183.84] searching and replacing and then of course you make links too you make a structure for links |
[4183.84 --> 4192.36] you've got this incredible uh you know versatile system that you know turned into wikipedia basically |
[4192.36 --> 4200.26] and you know defeated uh and carta and all these like highly structured uh gooey gooey tools so that |
[4200.26 --> 4207.22] just that just was like a awakening for me like i kind of i i felt like before that point i almost had |
[4207.22 --> 4212.14] the idea of doing something kind of like like a wiki but never even dared to think about or suggest |
[4212.14 --> 4218.26] it because i knew i'd be laughed at like oh here's here's this guy's uh design for the system he's |
[4218.26 --> 4222.14] gonna have a big text field and dump everything else into it and search and replace like you know |
[4222.14 --> 4231.04] let's uh let's not hire this guy um but uh yeah ward cunningham is is a hero because he does stuff like |
[4231.04 --> 4238.22] that and he also has like these huge like oh oh design pattern chops like the first wiki was for |
[4238.22 --> 4245.00] augmenting the portland uh pattern repository which which is like a bunch of strongly typed oh oh design |
[4245.00 --> 4253.10] patterns patterns so he's this guy that can use this you know high abstraction and complexity where it's |
[4253.10 --> 4258.86] uh where it fits and does a good job and where he sees an opportunity just to like do this really |
[4258.86 --> 4267.54] flexible thing uh he'll just do it um and uh i i've i've sort of uh tried to adopt that seems like |
[4267.54 --> 4272.96] he's like uh on the patterns and extreme paragraph sorry patterns and extreme pair programming or |
[4272.96 --> 4276.92] extreme programming i want to put pair programming in there because you said a couple times then well |
[4276.92 --> 4281.98] he actually he was like one of the guys he and uh like was one of the guys that invented pair programming |
[4281.98 --> 4289.40] uh which i also like i'm obsessed with right right that's that's um we'll link him in the show notes |
[4289.40 --> 4294.28] as well ward thank you for your awesome service to the software development community that's yeah check |
[4294.28 --> 4299.94] out uh check out uh his uh his projects he's working on some really really awesome stuff i've actually |
[4299.94 --> 4304.46] had the the opportunity to uh skype with him for quite a while and he's he's brainstormed with me |
[4304.46 --> 4310.84] and ziki um smallest federated wiki is what he's kind of designing it's his project it's sort of the |
[4310.84 --> 4315.36] next version of a wiki where it's that's federated out you can have your own and share it's it's kind |
[4315.36 --> 4321.60] of mind-blowing uh check it out well um craig i want to say thanks man for coming on the show today |
[4321.60 --> 4325.82] it's certainly been great to kind of get to know you and what you're doing with ziki and the future |
[4325.82 --> 4330.66] of it um you know all i can say is you know we hope that when people listen to this they get excited |
[4330.66 --> 4335.88] about it and they go and back your kickstarter and they help save ziki from a different future |
[4335.88 --> 4340.06] um and and thanks for coming on the show let's let's uh everyone say goodbye |
[4340.06 --> 4342.64] yeah thanks so much guys i had a great time |
[4342.64 --> 4356.82] you |
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