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[4425.00 --> 4432.00] Okay, so what does it, what does it, what does it mean for, for CSGO's credibility as an esport? |
[4432.00 --> 4433.00] It's rough. |
[4433.00 --> 4434.00] That this made it through. |
[4434.00 --> 4451.00] I know Nick has been talking about, like, um, Hellfire, essentially, like if this, if this gets proven, and if like certain members, not necessarily these two, but certain very prominent members, and he has very good reasoning for all of this, if they get brought out, because there's, there's a l... |
[4451.00 --> 4463.00] Yep, trying to take a bunch of other guys down with him, where he said, I think, what, was he 95, he said he was 95% sure, and produced a list of other high level pro players that he thought were cheating using the same hack. |
[4463.00 --> 4473.00] Yeah, so certain members on there, specifically the fanatic guys, two of the fanatic guys, if, if they got called out for actually doing this, and they got vac banned, it could cause some serious rifts. |
[4473.00 --> 4477.00] I mean, pro cycling has not recovered from doping. |
[4477.00 --> 4478.00] Yes, yeah. |
[4478.00 --> 4482.00] Major League Baseball is a joke, because of steroids. |
[4482.00 --> 4483.00] Yeah. |
[4483.00 --> 4486.00] Shooters have always been a huge problem. |
[4486.00 --> 4490.00] Even on console, there's hardware hacks you can do to controllers. |
[4490.00 --> 4493.00] Try not allowing people to bring their controllers to events. |
[4493.00 --> 4495.00] No, they want to use their scuff, they want to use their whatever. |
[4495.00 --> 4500.00] There's approved controllers for events, and you can bring your own, and you can hardware hack it. |
[4500.00 --> 4509.00] You take the thing apart, add in a little bit of, the last one I saw was a PCB that you added in, which made it so that you could just hold the trigger down, |
[4509.00 --> 4514.00] and it would shoot a semi-automatic weapon as fast as it possibly could, while keeping it fairly accurate. |
[4514.00 --> 4515.00] Right. |
[4515.00 --> 4517.00] You just hold the trigger down, and it does it properly for you. |
[4517.00 --> 4518.00] That's cheating. |
[4518.00 --> 4520.00] Super cheating. |
[4520.00 --> 4522.00] And that's something you can do on a console. |
[4522.00 --> 4526.00] So there's, there's cheating, and shooters cheating is huge, and it's super frustrating. |
[4526.00 --> 4531.00] It's really annoying as a player, just playing randomly, because it happens a lot in lobbies. |
[4531.00 --> 4532.00] I know. |
[4532.00 --> 4533.00] Yeah. |
[4533.00 --> 4537.00] I mean, imagine, if this is happening professionally, where people are actually looking over the shoulder of the person, |
[4537.00 --> 4544.00] what's going on with people in their bedrooms playing the game, where mom doesn't care if they're cheating at CSGO. |
[4544.00 --> 4549.00] And think about the amount of people that are cheating that you're not catching, because they're being very subtle about it. |
[4549.00 --> 4550.00] Yeah. |
[4550.00 --> 4557.00] Compared to that dude that's like flying around the map, insta-killing everyone, which happened the first day I tried to play COD, which was hilarious. |
[4557.00 --> 4565.00] His name was like 420BlazeAtYOLO, and he killed everyone on the map instantly and was just flying around. |
[4565.00 --> 4567.00] I was like, wow! |
[4567.00 --> 4570.00] You are everything that's wrong with this game. |
[4572.00 --> 4573.00] It was fantastic. |
[4573.00 --> 4574.00] It happened on stream. |
[4574.00 --> 4576.00] Anyways, like, it's, it's bad. |
[4576.00 --> 4582.00] I don't know it's gonna, I don't know if it's necessarily gonna be the hellfire that a lot of people have been talking about, |
[4582.00 --> 4586.00] where it's just gonna destroy the entire sport, because it is actually really old. |
[4586.00 --> 4592.00] People have been playing CSGO for a really long, or it's Counter-Strike competitively for a really long time, not necessarily CSGO. |
[4592.00 --> 4594.00] I know, Valve seems to think it's a big deal. |
[4594.00 --> 4595.00] They're flying in- |
[4595.00 --> 4596.00] Valve's cracking down like crazy. |
[4596.00 --> 4602.00] They're flying in four teams to replace the two teams that were disqualified from Dreamhack to do a, like, a local pre-qualifier. |
[4602.00 --> 4605.00] Which is sick. That's super cool. I'm happy they're doing that. |
[4605.00 --> 4607.00] Um, I'm not saying it's- |
[4607.00 --> 4609.00] Well, they have no choice. They have to salvage their tournament. |
[4609.00 --> 4610.00] Yeah, no, that's true. |
[4610.00 --> 4615.00] I'm not saying it's not gonna be a big deal. I just don't think it's necessarily gonna destroy the entire thing. |
[4615.00 --> 4622.00] Um, I think it could seriously, uh, hamper the massive growth that they've had over the last little while. |
[4622.00 --> 4626.00] And it could seriously plateau them for a long time, or make it go down a little bit. |
[4626.00 --> 4632.00] The thing about games that has to grow up is, is both sides. |
[4632.00 --> 4636.00] The fans are already growing up in the sense that they're treating it more seriously. |
[4636.00 --> 4637.00] Like, I- |
[4637.00 --> 4638.00] Oh yeah, definitely. |
[4638.00 --> 4643.00] Okay, the thing about this is, they were talking about this on, um, that sports radio station that I listen to all the time. |
[4643.00 --> 4647.00] They were talking about it, um, when they got acquired by TSN. |
[4647.00 --> 4655.00] And some of those guys were ex-TSN guys from back when TSN started, and were now being brought back into the TSN fold. |
[4655.00 --> 4664.00] So they were kind of reminiscing about how 30 years ago everyone told them they were idiots for thinking that you could have an entire channel dedicated just to sports. |
[4664.00 --> 4666.00] That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. |
[4666.00 --> 4668.00] And then, they're like, yeah, look at it now. |
[4668.00 --> 4669.00] Yeah. |
[4669.00 --> 4673.00] TSN 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, Ruby, Platinum, Emeralds. |
[4673.00 --> 4674.00] Yeah. |
[4674.00 --> 4686.00] Like, so, so, but the thing about, the thing about sports, and eSports do get qualified as sports in this way, I guess. |
[4686.00 --> 4689.00] Okay, they're not sports, they're eSports, but they get treated the same way this way. |
[4689.00 --> 4691.00] Is that the fans are very passionate. |
[4691.00 --> 4692.00] Yep. |
[4692.00 --> 4693.00] And they take it very seriously. |
[4693.00 --> 4694.00] Oh yeah. |
[4694.00 --> 4697.00] And that's what eSports is finally gaining. |
[4697.00 --> 4698.00] They're being taken seriously. |
[4698.00 --> 4700.00] They're not a joke anymore. |
[4700.00 --> 4701.00] So... |
[4701.00 --> 4703.00] You're gonna lose that reputation if people start hacking. |
[4703.00 --> 4717.00] Turning it into a joke, and not having the players and the organizations treating it as seriously as the fans are, is gonna create a rift between the fans and the players and the organizers. |
[4717.00 --> 4719.00] And that is really hard to fix. |
[4719.00 --> 4729.00] And when you have this momentum right now, I think if this goes as deep as the allegations would suggest that they could, |
[4729.00 --> 4732.00] I think it could affect not just CSGO, but eSports in general. |
[4732.00 --> 4733.00] It could. |
[4733.00 --> 4738.00] Because you, because you look at the general complaints that people might have about an eSport. |
[4738.00 --> 4740.00] Oh, well, it's just software. |
[4740.00 --> 4743.00] So how easy is it to cheat? |
[4743.00 --> 4747.00] How easy is it to pretend that these guys playing are really that superhuman? |
[4747.00 --> 4748.00] Yeah. |
[4748.00 --> 4749.00] Apparently this easy. |
[4749.00 --> 4752.00] How are we gonna take this seriously anymore? |
[4752.00 --> 4758.00] At least with a physical sport, yes, there's blood doping, there's steroids, there's this, there's that. |
[4758.00 --> 4760.00] We can catch a lot of it. |
[4760.00 --> 4763.00] And they are actually doing it on some level. |
[4763.00 --> 4772.00] There's no cybernetic implant that, you know, tells the goalie where to be, so when the puck's gonna be there and whatever, and they just can be there already. |
[4772.00 --> 4773.00] Yeah. |
[4773.00 --> 4782.00] That's the difference between electronic cheating and physical cheating, is it can happen in ways that the viewer doesn't even understand is happening. |
[4782.00 --> 4789.00] And all the respect that they might have had for a player, or a skill, or a tactic, I mean, it's just gone. |
[4789.00 --> 4790.00] How deflating is that? |
[4790.00 --> 4797.00] This is actually a big part of the reason why some of the viewers I know are gonna be like, what, when I bring this up. |
[4797.00 --> 4805.00] But I've, well, a long time ago I played Counter-Strike at a fairly high level, but I've never really been interested in watching Counter-Strike. |
[4805.00 --> 4814.00] Um, and playing on public servers has always been kinda rough, because every single time that someone does something amazing, you're like, hmm. |
[4814.00 --> 4816.00] They're probably cheating. |
[4816.00 --> 4817.00] They're probably cheating. |
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