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**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and I mean... I put handy development and deployment-type scripts in my makefile basically, so that I don't have to have a directory of utility scripts for bootstrapping the environment, building the container or things like that. You don't have to NodeCD into this directory or run this doc c... |
**Filippo Valsorda:** And they're extremely standard, so you're making any developer feel at home, because they've seen makefiles before. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, or something very close to it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[40:02\] I don't know if "feeling at home" is the right way to say it, because I never feel at home in makefile. I've seen some makefile ninjas, but I am not one of them. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, it amazes me some of the stuff people know about make. It is ridiculously powerful. My knowledge of make is about equivalent to my knowledge of Bash... It's just enough to make a fork. \[laughter\] |
**Filippo Valsorda:** Look, I work with John Graham-Cumming. He wrote the book on GNU make. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** He wrote the book... |
**Filippo Valsorda:** Hellogopher required him at some point... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's awesome. |
**Filippo Valsorda:** Yeah, at some point it was like, "No, no, this is enough..." I just was done. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, just bring your book over here and tell me what I'm doing wrong. |
**Filippo Valsorda:** No, he actually pulled a page out of his book! He actually literally did that! \[laughs\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, that's awesome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I've gotten beaten up in some code reviews before, but has anybody ever - aside from you - ever gotten beaten up about a makefile? Did somebody destroy your makefile? Like, "No, don't do that; you should have done this." Usually the makefile in the review is just like, "If it works, leave it." |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm not brave enough to submit a makefile to anybody who would understand how to review it, because it would be ugly. My makefile always consists of copy from someone that works and paste into my project. Copy/pasta file. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah... I feel like it's just like Bash every time I gotta do something. I gotta look up, like "How do you do a for loop in Bash again?" \[laughs\] I think it is about time for our second sponsored break, and then we'll get into some more projects and news. Our second sponsor today is actually Arda... |
**Break:** \[41:51\] to \[42:45\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, and we are back talking to Filippo. For anybody who is listening live, we were just kind of joking about makefiles and the use of PHONY and how it makes Brian feel like a phony when he reads it... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No, it means my makefile is declaring itself as phony; my makefiles have impostor syndrome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Does anybody have Twitter open right now? I literally see a non-stop stream of people and their Gopher versions of themselves. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Everybody's getting gopherized! That's awesome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's priceless. |
**Filippo Valsorda:** Imagine being someone that doesn't do Go, and everyone around you on Slack and Twitter and everything else starts turning into these weird avatars, and you feel like you're outside of the joke or the conspiracy... |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's actually happened to me a couple of times for political reasons, where I'll just get on one day and everybody is now a cartoon character or they've changed their avatar to a flag and I haven't yet read the news to see why people are doing that... Like, "Why is everybody a cartoon character t... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[43:57\] You feel so left out. |
**Filippo Valsorda:** There's an entire Subreddit for that, it's called Out Of The Loop. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, nice. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Is there really? |
**Filippo Valsorda:** Yeah, you go there and there are people that are like, "Yes, so these are the things that happened that could make you feel out of the loop", or you can just ask and people will be like, "Oh, yeah... That's a meme from 2013 that started in this thread." \[laughs\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** These are people that don't have 14-year-olds living in their house. |
**Filippo Valsorda:** Correct. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** If you had a 14-year-old living in your house, they know EVERYTHING. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I have an 8-year-old in my house that thinks I'm dumb. He knows everything. I think it's just kids... They try to shock you, and you're like, "Yup. Mm-hm. No, I didn't know that." \[laughs\] |
Okay, any other interesting projects? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, I found a really cool plugin for Kubernetes called Mate. It's at github.com/zalando-incubator/mate, and it does DNS and load balancing for Amazon Cloud Services and GCS, and the thing that's really cool about it is that it will manage your Route53 DNS for you too, and it will also create named e... |
**Erik St. Martin:** It looks really cool. So the load balancers assumed are to be set up with a public IP address and this is just routing new DNS names of that? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No, it creates the load balancer. It does it all. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Okay, so it creates a load balancer with a public IP and then load balances to the private IPs of Kubernetes. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You got it. It's awesome sauce. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah. I mean, it's a common question people have, how do they get this thing exposed publicly? So yeah, that's pretty sweet. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, very nice. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Or in Kelsey Hightower rating, it's super dope. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's super dope. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Hopefully, Kelsey doesn't sue me. He's a friend, but you never know... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm gonna tweet that. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Carlisia, did you run across anything you wanted to talk about? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I did. Sourcegraph is now in general availability with the Go language. For people who don't know, Sourcegraph is like a code navigation tool, but you use it on your browser. The cool thing over other normal code navigation tools is that it will take you across repos, and if you go to a function,... |
For example, when I run into something new and I want to see how people are using it, I just use Sourcegraph and I'm able to see it. It also gives you git blame and it gives you the last time the file was updated, and a bunch of other awesome things. |
**Filippo Valsorda:** Yeah, I love their interface. I used it all the time also studying the TLS Crypto library; it works on the standard library too, and you can just click around and click to jump to definition, which is something that I always wanted. There used to be a web interface to what is now called Guru, whic... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** \[48:09\] Yeah, so it will work with anything that's open source, and if you want to use it on your private repos, they have a pricing structure there. You probably need to talk to your security team to find out if you can do it. |
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