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\[31:56\] But the idea is then that you can run it on all the nodes in your cluster and get a report in a standard format, either some text output or JSON output, to report on how well your Kubernetes nodes are complying with the benchmark. So it should just make it -- automate something that would otherwise be impossi... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, we've dealt with the CIS benchmarks in the past - Erik and I both at previous companies - and it's really painful, really ugly. So, having that automated is awesome, and especially for something as modern as Go. Or, sorry, as modern as Kubernetes. |
**Liz Rice:** Yeah. And I think it will be evolving. There's so many potential security— I'm not trying to say that Kubernetes is insecure, but there are ways that you can set it up that could be very insecure. So, just checking that that isn't... Like, for example, whether or not you allow privilege containers, checki... |
**Erik St. Martin:** So, Robin in the Go Time channel asks 'What are the top most important Kubernetes security measures?' |
**Liz Rice:** Good question. How long have we got? \[laughter\] So I did a webinar with a colleague, I guess that maybe a month or so ago now, about exactly this question. So, I guess very briefly, there's... I've been talking about kube-bench and these settings and things like have you set up authentication between yo... |
Secrets management is another important aspect, and Kubernetes fairly recently - I am going to say it was in 1.7 I think - started encrypting secrets. But before that, secrets were by default being passed around in the clear, which was pretty scary. And if you really want to take your security seriously, you might want... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You know, SELinux is one of my favorite things in the world to disable. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** This program won't run, disable SELinux. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, that's what the documentation said - if you have problems, disable SELinux. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[35:51\] Well, I think that's probably the biggest issue with security, it's the inconvenience factor. And even, say like Seccomp and things like that, that... So, for anybody who is not familiar with what a Seccomp profile is, and Docker creates a standard one for you, but it basically controls t... |
**Liz Rice:** I think that's exactly right. Yeah, making these things easy is a huge challenge—easy to use, huge challenge. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And it's really hard, because during development time you are trying to deliver business value. So you are constantly trying to get your features done, and every time you get hung up and something isn't working the way you expect it to and you do a bunch of debugging and you're like 'Oh, that sysca... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Shouldn't that be something that we should be able to automate? We can read code and machines can read code. It should be relatively simple enough -- I say, not knowing shit about it, but it should be relatively simple enough to go through and say "Alright, I've scanned this app and it uses these ni... |
**Liz Rice:** Jess Frazelle did a blogpost, and I think maybe a [talk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd4JU7qzYbE) as well, but certainly a blog post where she goes through that whole process of automating, capturing all the syscalls that... I think she was running Chrome in her example, capturing everything that it d... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, that's cool. So is it similar to intrusion detection training, where you run it in safe-mode for a while, and it doesn't really stop anything, but it learns normal behavior? |
**Liz Rice:** Yeah. So we have an audit mode and an enforce mode. And there's also, like I've said, a learning period when you first run a new container image. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's awesome. |
**Liz Rice:** It's pretty cool. I can't take credit for the product, because the team... The team, mostly in Israel actually, they've really built this product, and when I first saw it, like I said, I was just like 'This is really clever.' |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So what's your next big talk coming up? What's the next conference you're talking at? |
**Liz Rice:** That's a great question. I do know what my next one is, but I'm not sure whether they've announced me yet, so I'm not sure I can say. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's a secret. |
**Liz Rice:** I guess I know that I can talk about... [Container Camp](https://2017.container.camp/uk/) in London coming up very soon, and Container Shed not long after. Container Camp is only in a couple of weeks' time, so probably just about the time this podcast gets released, probably it would be the same day as Co... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[39:59\] What's been your favourite conference to attend so far? What's the conference that has the best atmosphere, the best fun? |
**Liz Rice:** You mean apart from GopherCon? Because obviously that would be a terribly suck up thing for me, to say GopherCon. So, I'm not gonna say GopherCon. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, besides GopherCon. |
**Liz Rice:** Besides GopherCon... The [KubeCon](https://cloudnativeeu2017.sched.com/) in Berlin was amazing; there was a real sense of Kubernetes is really going somewhere. There is this huge community of people really getting together to move Kubernetes from, I'm gonna say sides project into something really solid th... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I haven't been to a DockerCon yet. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I haven't either. |
**Liz Rice:** Yeah, it's fun. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It comes down to time. That's always the hardest thing, it's time, and how much you wanna be away from home. There's entirely too many conferences to attend. |
**Liz Rice:** I've got quite a few in the next couple of months. They're in London, so that's convenient for me, like Velocity... I've got here and in New York actually. And there's Container Camp, and there's Container Shed as well. I see we have quite a good conference scene happening here in Europe. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, there's really not much going on here in Tampa for now. Not much at all. I think Orlando gets some stuff. From a security perspective we have -- what's the name of the group that does the CISC certification? They’re based out of Clearwater. We've got a lot of healthcare stuff here. No big fan... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's pretty bad. |
**Liz Rice:** Well, would you have the venue for it? You need a pretty big venue. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, there's... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, there is one. We can do it. We won't, but we could. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, so who wants to talk about interesting Go projects and news? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** OMG! |
**Erik St. Martin:** OMG? Alright, I'm guessing you have a good one. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** OMG! I do. It's a tiny one, but it packs a lot of punch. So, if you've used the terminal, like most of us have, and you've come across [Powerline](https://github.com/powerline/powerline) — you know that Powerline is a Python app that makes lots of cool things appear in your terminal and gives you in... |
\[00:44:03:20\] Powerline -- so it's at [github.com/justjanne/powerline-go](https://github.com/justjanne/powerline-go). Crazy fast, and it's written in Go, so you can extend it yourself. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I don't even know what time it was at night when Brian messaged me 'Dude, you have to see this!' |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I don't know, I use [Fish](https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell) and I'm pretty happy. It seems that all the info that I get from this Powerline, I get with my Fish shell. I don't see that I can benefit from having this on top of Fish. Do you think? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, elevator pitch me on Fish. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Oh my God! |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I wanna hear the Fish pitch. Let's listen. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I did the [Bash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_(Unix_shell)) to [Zsh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_shell) transition, but I haven't tried Fish, so sell it, it's all on you. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Oh, I went from bash to Z shell and then Fish, and Fish is... Can't compare. It's so much better than the other ones. Every once in a while I have to switch to Bash, but it's so easy; I just type 'bash' and I get my Bash shell to run some commands. That's not compatible with Fish, but then I go b... |
Talking about the practical stuff - it's very easy to install, it's very easy to use... I forgot what they call it now, profile or templates... Different templates you can use to customize how your shell will look and behave, what kind of info you get. It's so easy to go from one to the other. It has a UI actually, so ... |
**Liz Rice:** I get scared of things that have loads of configuration, because I think I'm gonna spend way too much time trying to configure it. I just want things to work. |
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