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**Erik St. Martin:** That's probably one of the series that I try to make a point to watch. The conference stuff I almost have to pick and choose now, just because there's too much content. |
I think somebody in here put something about DevOps day? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, it was me. I wanted to mention this a couple shows ago, and we ended up not going over the section, and last week I wasn't here... I really wanted to make sure to mention this talk that Kelsey Hightower gave at DevOps Days Austin a few weeks ago. Really, a huge shoutout to him for so many t... |
\[48:05\] I think it's a really worthwhile [talk](https://youtu.be/36S7N7OZSTI) to watch, especially for people who are fans of his, because you get to know him a little better. Nevertheless, I always think that software development is a lot about people, and you get a bit of insights on how someone can be so vulnerabl... |
One thing that he said that resonated with me a lot was -- I mean, the whole talk resonated with me, and frankly I was in tears. It got really emotional, and good thing that I didn't mention this talk the day that I watched it, because I was going to really get emotional. But at any rate, he was describing an encounter... |
Kelsey said something like, "You know, you've gotta give people a chance", and I'm quoting him: "People can change, and if you do it right, you get to watch it happen...", which obviously is a very positive take on these challenging encounters that we can have with people... People who look at us and say, "Well, I neve... |
One takeaway from that that I felt, given my own experience, was the beauty of watching ourselves change, going from where you don't know anything - you want to work in a field and you don't know anything; then you go through the process of learning, and that is hard... Then you get to start performing, then you get be... |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[51:46\] Yeah, I think it was a really emotional talk, and to hear that back-story... Those types of things are really awesome because they humanize these people. You start to realize that the whole "perception is reality", and we see people and we see what they're doing and we kind of paint this ... |
Kelsey, he's had some kind of like threads on Twitter too, with kind of being more vulnerable and open about his history. It's just really awesome to see somebody you know that holds that position in the community kind of open up about his past. It humanizes people. |
Same thing here - we have Ramya on this show about VS Code... This was your introduction into open source and introduction into Go, and all of these things... The picture you paint is often much different from the reality. |
**Ramya Rao:** It's been a fun journey. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah. I would have guessed you had been writing Go and were like "Oh, I love VS Code, so I'm going to write a plugin", you know? \[laughter\] That's typically the way these things work. I'm really happy that it was handed off to you though, because it looks amazing, and even though I don't use it -... |
**Ramya Rao:** That is a good thing to hear, because that also motivates me. That's the kind of feedback that helps you as a project maintainer/contributor to keep doing what you're doing... So that was good to know. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, it makes you feel like the work you're doing is worthwhile, that you're helping a lot of people. |
**Ramya Rao:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's awesome. Did anybody else have any other interesting projects, news, announcements, anything we wanna talk about before we move into \#FreeSoftwareFriday? I will take that as a no... |
I don't know that you listen to this show, Ramya, but we talked about it a little bit earlier... Usually just before we close out the show we do something called \#FreeSoftwareFriday, where we just thank a person, a company, a project that makes our lives easier in the open source world, just to kind of give them the l... |
Carlisia, do you wanna kick it off? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yes, sure. So today I guess is the shoutout day to people, as opposed to software mostly... I wanna give a shoutout to [JBD](https://twitter.com/rakyll) (Jaana B. Dogan). She works for Google and she does a lot of Go work. She works mostly on -- I don't wanna say the wrong thing, but she does a l... |
\[55:54\] She has many open source projects that are amazing, and she has also a very good blog post related to Go. Her blog posts are a very worthwhile read. In other words, she's an amazing person, a really hardworker; I don't think she gets enough recognition and I wanna make sure we recognize her today. |
**Erik St. Martin:** We all love JBD. She puts out some really great blog posts and stuff, too. I've learned a lot from her over the years. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** And she also was on the show on [episode 22](https://changelog.com/gotime/22). |
**Erik St. Martin:** Did you know that by heart or did you look it up? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I had to look it up; I wrote it down. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Because I think there was an episode where you called out an episode number somebody was on without looking it up, and I was shocked. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I'm sure I was shocked, too... \[laughs\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Once it's like two episodes ago maybe, I forget... I know it was just a few episodes ago... \[laughter\] How about you, Johnny? |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** For myself, I've been using this debugging aid called q. I think it was ported from a project that originated from the Python community. y0ssar1an on GitHub - we can post the [link](https://github.com/y0ssar1an/q) - I think he ported that over. q is basically a better `fmt.Printf`, basically. I d... |
The way it works is you'd have basically a terminal console open, and you just run `qq`, and what that does is it just opens a string that starts to output in a really nicely formatted way anything that you're pushing out from your code. |
Back in your actual Go code obviously you import the q library, and then where you typically would do a `log.Printf` or `fmt.Printf`, you use `q` and then `q.q`, and then whatever it is you wanna dump out, and then basically that just appears on a string. It's nicely formatted, and it will sort of give you hints or met... |
It's been really nice... I pretty much do all my debugging just by having that running and then just calling qq. I sprinkle that throughout my Go code. It's been a very nice aid for debugging, so shoutout to the developer who ported it over. I use it pretty much every day. Thank you. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And how about you, Ramya... Did you have anybody? |
**Ramya Rao:** Oh, I have lots. First, a shoutout to Luke Hoban for creating the Go extension to begin with back in November 2015. That resulted in me getting this awesome project to contribute to. So that's one... |
Two is all the amazing people who've written these tools like gocode, `godef`, `godoc`, `gogetdoc`... All these tools that internally we use in the extension. Thank you for making these tools. |
And my third and last one would be a big shoutout to everyone who's been creating PRs, logging issues, making sure that we are on top of all the good features in the Go extension. I love you all, thank you very much. And keep doing it! \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[59:56\] Mine today - I'm actually going to give a shoutout to a company, and that is actually Microsoft, because I think the past couple of years we've seen a whole new Microsoft. Your contributions to the Go plugin, VS Code itself, contributions to Docker and Kubernetes, they just acquired Deis,... |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Agreed. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Did anybody have anymore they wanna throw in before we close out the show? |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** A really big shoutout to Ramya for the work on the actual plugin. I think she deserves a shoutout, right? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Without a doubt. |
**Ramya Rao:** Thank you. |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Thank you, Ramya, for the work that you do, and we hope you keep doing it. |
**Ramya Rao:** I sure will. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And thank you so much for coming on the show; this has been a lot of fun, and we definitely wanna stay in touch and keep up with all the changes and additions to the VSCode plugin, and VSCode itself, because you're more aware of that stuff than we are. |
**Ramya Rao:** It was great to be here. You can reach out to me, I'm on Twitter now... I haven't mentioned it much on the other podcasts that I was, but I learned my lesson. I'm on Twitter now, and you can give out my handle. You guys can ask me any questions related to the Go extension or VS Code in general; I'll try ... |
**Johnny Boursiquot:** Awesome! |
**Erik St. Martin:** Thanks again for being on the show, and thanks to everybody who is on the panel today... Especially thank you Johnny for stepping in for Brian today. I always love having you on the show. |
Thanks to all the listeners who were listening live, and everybody who will listen to this once it's produced. Big shoutout to our sponsor Toptal; again, show them some love, because they make this thing happen for us. |
Definitely share the show with fellow Go programmers. If you wanna subscribe, you can go to GoTime.fm. We have a weekly email that we're gonna be starting pretty soon, so go ahead and subscribe to that. You can follow us on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/GoTimeFM). If I don't run out of breath -- if you have something y... |
I think that's it... Goodbye, everybody, we'll see you next week. |
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