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• Standardization of the web and the de facto standard vs. official standards |
• "Paving the cow paths" - standardizing existing practices rather than designing new ones |
• WebCompat.com as a resource for troubleshooting browser compatibility issues |
• Non-standard features such as hls streaming format and Window.Event object being used on the web |
• The importance of understanding how the web really works, despite not aligning with official standards |
• Discussion on web standards and event object standardization |
• Wes Bos's self-taught background in web development, starting with MySpace pages |
• Mike Taylor's non-traditional path to web development, including a linguistics degree and self-teaching HTML and CSS |
• The importance of empathy and relatability in teaching web development, contrasting those with computer science degrees |
• Prepack: a tool that simplifies code using Babel, creating an abstract syntax tree (AST) to transform code |
• Alex Sexton explains Prepack's purpose: reducing computation and file size in client-side code |
• Interface Lovers: a podcast featuring interviews with designers from diverse backgrounds |
• Wes Bos discusses his education-focused work: |
• ES6.io and ReactForBeginners.com courses |
• Launching Learn Node series |
• JavaScript 30: 30 short projects to build modern JavaScript skills |
• Wes Bos discusses challenges of keeping tutorials up to date with rapidly changing technologies like React |
• The need for continuous re-recording or updating content due to version changes and new features |
• Comparison between online tutorials and in-person bootcamps for learning programming skills |
• Discussion on the effectiveness and limitations of bootcamps in preparing students for careers in tech |
• Challenges of transitioning from a bootcamp to a job, and the importance of self-motivation and aptitude for success |
• The challenges and benefits of bootcamps in increasing diversity in the tech industry |
• HackerYou's focus on diversity and its woman-led approach |
• The importance of a diverse pipeline of engineers and addressing industry conditions that hinder diversity |
• Wes Bos' experience with HackerYou and its 9-week program |
• Discussions on web compatibility and cross-browser issues, including IE6 vs. modern browsers |
• Node debugging process that auto-restarts and refreshes the page when a file is saved |
• Chrome extension that port scans and watches processes, allowing manual connection |
• History of Node debugging tools and limitations of previous solutions |
• Wes Bos's Twitter tips and tricks, including search by emoji |
• Mike Taylor's "get off my lawn" tweets on website compatibility |
**Alex Sexton:** Hello and welcome to the JS Party Podcast, where some people might say that it's a party every day with JavaScript, but I certainly would never say that. This is a ridiculous tagline. |
Anyways, today we have two guests who are members of the JavaScript community who I'm happy to have on. We were talking a little bit before the show how we were finally brave enough to do an "all-JavaScript dad podcast", the most important, under-represented group of JavaScript developers, almost certainly. |
Today we have Wes Bos and Mike Taylor. Wes, introduce yourself. |
**Wes Bos:** Hey, everybody. My name's Wes. I'm a full-stack dev from Canada, and I primarily make coding tutorials and courses on how to become a better web dev. |
**Alex Sexton:** Very nice of you. Mike, how about yourself? |
**Mike Taylor:** Yeah, I'm Mike Taylor, I work for Mozilla. I guess technically I'm a manager. I manage the web compatibility team, and that makes me a half-empty stack developer \[laughter\], because I see lots of really depressing things. I work from home, here in Austin, Texas. |
**Alex Sexton:** I also work from home in Austin, Texas. Wes, do you sometimes work from home? Is that true? |
**Wes Bos:** I always work from home. I'm in Hamilton. |
**Alex Sexton:** What's the HackerYou stuff that you do? |
**Wes Bos:** The HackerYou stuff is I teach twice a week part-time classes in Toronto at HackerYou. So I guess I do go in to teach there, but everything else is from home. |
**Alex Sexton:** So you lied. This first thing out of your mouth was a lie. |
**Wes Bos:** Well, well... Well... \[laughter\] |
**Alex Sexton:** You have a pretty good A/V setup. I know this isn't an A/V podcast, but I appreciate a good A/V setup because you do all the tutorials, yeah? So you have like a little office with microphones and video... |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, I think I even asked you about how to do this stuff when I was first getting into it. I had to find a whole bunch of boxes with knobs, and they're turned the right way, and it makes me sound boomier than I actually am, which is nice... |
**Alex Sexton:** Very nice! I actually haven't received any of the royalty checks from that help initially... |
**Wes Bos:** Well, I sent it. |
**Alex Sexton:** \[laughs\] Okay. It must be the damn U.S. Mail. |
**Mike Taylor:** You should cash those as fast as you can, because he sent them in Canadian Dollars. |
**Alex Sexton:** You're just kidding that we should visit Canada? What's the deal there, just as an economics podcast? |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, there's stuff that's happening in Canada with oil and NAFTA and mortgages, and the Canadian Dollar is going down, which makes those who have U.S. Dollars kings in Canada. So you can come here and... Kings have oysters, buy gold bars, listen to Drake... |
**Alex Sexton:** Poutine... |
**Wes Bos:** Poutine, all day. |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah, you could upgrade to the meat poutines, the brisket... |
**Wes Bos:** Oh, that's so gnarly... Did you have that when you came here? |
**Alex Sexton:** Oh, I had the brisket poutine, for sure. |
**Wes Bos:** Oh yeah, that's good... I usually get Slaughterhouse, which is every type of meat... |
**Alex Sexton:** Oh, man... That's intense. |
**Mike Taylor:** That sounds terrible. |
**Wes Bos:** If anyone's listening, it's amazing... Poutine is like French fries with cheese curds, and then gravy, so the cheese curds melt. Then you just put like every type of topping on top of it and you just go to sleep after you've eaten it. |
**Mike Taylor:** This is how Canadians make it through the winter, right? \[laughter\] |
**Wes Bos:** \[04:04\] Exactly! You hunker down... It's sort of like bears, except we still have to live, so we eat large amounts of potatoes and cheese... |
**Mike Taylor:** Yeah, and sleep... |
**Alex Sexton:** I've always thought that the name "cheese curds" didn't really do the actual thing justice. It sounds gross, the name "cheese curd." |
**Wes Bos:** Yeah, curd... I don't know what would be a better name, though. Cheese nuggets? |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah, cheese nuggets would be fine, I guess. What a cheese curd actually is is just like the leftover cheese chunks that fall off in the cheese factory. So it's like the... |
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