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When you're doing Git-it, you get to the point where you add a collaborator to your project, because I felt like it was important to teach people GitHub and working with other people to actually try and simulate a little bit working with other people on GitHub... So when you add the robot - his name is RepoRobot - to y... |
Then at the end of it all you make a pull request and RepoRobot is merging all the pull requests. So it's going through and it's like sort of reviewing the pull request, because after a certain amount of time, errors became common - or mistakes people were making became common. So the top three or four most common mist... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** \[28:03\] Oh, man... The problems with success... I think this is all really interesting, because it seems like in a programming community - and especially in the web community - we keep coming up with these really interesting modes of education where we actually have like intervention and hand raisi... |
**Jessica Lord:** Yeah, I really love about Glitch that -- you know, I feel like so much of our lives are spent talking about developer tools every day, and every new, hot developer tool and framework, but Glitch is actually trying to build tools to help people BECOME developers and think of new ways to do that. That's... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I also find that if you're working on the educational side of those frameworks and you're working on the framework, teaching people all the time will keep it simple, and make you kind of understand what are big barriers to entry in learning those frameworks. |
**Jessica Lord:** Yeah. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** What does Alex think? |
**Alex Sexton:** I think that... I don't know. I don't have strong opinions here. I... \[laughter\] It is the first time I don't have strong opinions, so I'm not talking. |
**Jessica Lord:** One of the other cool things that Glitch is solving, that is a huge barrier to getting started, and that maybe some of us take for granted because we've gone through the motions so much of setting up our dev environment, and we can upgrade our Node and we'll be fine, but for beginners, setting up a de... |
It's become so complicated, and I feel like it's something that we all take maybe for granted, or we just are used to... But it's just kind of a mess if you're new. |
**Alex Sexton:** We have a team at Stripe who's kind of whole job it is -- you know, Stripe hires extremely skilled developers pretty much across the board, and we have a whole team who's dedicated to helping them get their dev environments set up and be successful... The "developer experience and success" type team. |
The fact that, as a company who can choose from a large pool of very talented developers who exist, and like it's still necessary at that level to provide environments and tooling and scripts and all these different things in order to help people be successful... If you take out the fact that they've had years of exper... |
\[31:59\] I think as much infrastructure as can be automatic is super interesting to me for that reason. And it's really hard once you know things to know what you didn't know in the past, and I think that's why -- like, I want all this stuff to exist, but I think that the absolute most important thing here is that we ... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I find it kind of hilarious that one of the bigger arguments for "frameworks are easier for new people" is that they're not confronted with a bunch of choices, right? Like, they don't have to go out and find every little module to do every little thing. But before you use these frameworks that have t... |
**Jessica Lord:** Yeah, and one of the reasons I moved also the Git-it workshop from the workshopper in the terminal was that a lot of people were doing Git-it specifically to learn Git. They weren't developers, but they might want to be developers, or they work in an office with developers and just wanna know how to u... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think this is a good spot for a break. When we come back, we'll talk a bit about Tad, and we'll get into our projects of the week. Stick around! |
**Break:** \[34:15\] |
**Mikeal Rogers:** The project of the week this week is Tad. Tad is a little Electron app for dealing with CSV files and tabular data and stuff like that. It's pretty cool! Has anybody had a change to check this out? |
**Alex Sexton:** I went to the website... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** That counts. |
**Jessica Lord:** I bookmarked it, because I love tabular data. I was really excited to see this, and also I like Electron apps. Whenever I see that I can download for three platforms, I feel like "This is built on Electron..." |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Yeah, I just love that Electron is letting us build tiny apps, like just apps that do a thing... This isn't like a full spreadsheet app, with macros and all of that. For a long time, if you wanted to do something simple with tabular data, that was basically what you had to use. And so often, I just w... |
**Alex Sexton:** \[36:17\] Have you guys heard of -- what is it called... Google Docs? \[laughter\] |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Also, a little heavyweight, a little heavy... |
**Jessica Lord:** And don't you have to be online to use it? I actually tried to do the offline version and I couldn't. I gave up. |
**Alex Sexton:** It exists on phones, and stuff. It's like offline, something or other. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** For how much Google people berate everyone else about not having offline working, their actual apps at Google are mostly not that functional offline. |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah... I tried to do a Google search without internet connection - zero results. \[laughter\] Zero. None. Deal with that. \[laughter\] |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I know. What are they thinking...? Is this not what AMP is for? No... \[laughs\] We're not gonna get into that. |
**Alex Sexton:** I feel like you might have jumped a little too fast into what you liked that was differentiated about Tad, but what is it good for? More generally... It's like a CSV file viewer. Why would I use it? |
**Mikeal Rogers:** If you've ever had to deal with a CSV file, you probably actually are in this weird in-between place. Most of the time when I pull down a CSV file I don't actually wanna put it into Excel or something like that, but I end up having to anyway. So if you wanna do really simple manipulations, like you w... |
**Alex Sexton:** How do you think it gets its name? |
**Mikeal Rogers:** I wanna think that it's from Tad the band... |
**Alex Sexton:** No, that's wrong. |
**Mikeal Rogers:** \[laughs\] Okay... |
**Alex Sexton:** I'm trying to find anything. Tab? It's kind of like Tab separated. Tab? Tabular data? |
**Mikeal Rogers:** Adam Stacoviak says "tab delimited." |
**Alex Sexton:** No... I think he's making that up. He is not a smart man... \[laughter\] You can call it from the command line, which is kind of nifty. |
**Jessica Lord:** I've just opened a CSV. Wow... I've just opened a CSV! |
**Mikeal Rogers:** \[laughs\] I've never seen somebody so excited to open a CSV file. That's a ringing endorsement of the project. |
**Alex Sexton:** Yeah, I feel like we haven't said a ton, but I feel like that's kind of the beauty of this thing... It's that it doesn't do a ton. |
**Jessica Lord:** Just to check it out... |
**Mikeal Rogers:** We said just a tad... It was just a tad. |
**Alex Sexton:** Oh, actually... Check this out! Go to the web page. Are you guys on the web page? |
**Jessica Lord:** Mm-hm... |
**Alex Sexton:** You are? You promise? |
**Jessica Lord:** Yeah. |
**Alex Sexton:** I feel like one of you are lying to me. Top right corner is a GitHub thing... Hover over. |
**Jessica Lord:** I've already noticed, I've already noticed! |
**Alex Sexton:** No, I noticed first... |
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