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**Arunesh Chandra:** Yeah. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay, because I was like, "What's Nappy?" I was catching up as we were talking here... |
**Arunesh Chandra:** Yeah, we'll probably change the name to call it N-API. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** N-API? \[laughter\] It's almost the same... |
**Arunesh Chandra:** It sounds cooler. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** It does sound cooler. So let's talk about anything else that I might have missed. We're sitting down here, we're at this conference, Node Interactive, you gave a demo, we're excited about this new VM neutrality, a lot of stuff is changing here - a lot of stuff for the good - but what is out there th... |
**Gaurav Seth:** Yeah, I think one of the big pieces that we have not talked about is stuff that's happening outside of ChakraCore, and the work that we are doing for Node in general. One of the things we're doing is, given that -- Node ChakraCore is one piece, but one of the efforts that we've been working on is like,... |
We've been doing a lot of work, ranging from "How do you really improve your inner loop scenarios?" When I say inner loop, it's like as soon as you start to code up your stuff right from editors such as VS Code, there's a lot of effort that has been going there... How you use the programming language; there's a lot goi... |
So kind of taking these things - VS Code, TypeScript, Docker is working on Linux, on Azure, either in the form of PaaS or Azure Container service, bring your own container... Then, once you have your app deployed, how do you go take the next step with app insights, and have some amazing experiences from a production di... |
The other thing is having the ability of full stack diagnostics experiences in VS Code, which is like "Hey, I've got the backend and frontend both in JavaScript - how do I target both of them in the same editor?" So there's actually a lot of work that's going on right now, to make sure that we kind of go nail the end-t... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Awesome. Well, let's leave it there for now. Thank you so much for sitting down with me, thank you for all the work you're doing on Node and playing a great part there from Microsoft's perspective. I'm excited for the future of both of you at Microsoft and the future of Microsoft itself with being f... |
**Arunesh Chandra:** Yeah, thanks for having us over. |
**Gaurav Seth:** Thank you, Adam. |
• Rachel White's role as a Technical Evangelist at Microsoft |
• Node.js and its applications in IoT, robotics, and web development |
• NodeBots and Edge (Microsoft's platform for building IoT applications) |
• Rachel's personal projects, including a Twitter bot that uses facial recognition and creates funny images |
• The importance of making learning fun and the value of autodidact learning |
• Overcoming impostor syndrome and embracing one's strengths in problem-solving rather than memorization |
• Impostor syndrome and feeling like one doesn't belong in their role |
• Overcoming impostor syndrome through embracing mistakes and imperfections |
• The importance of accepting and learning from mistakes in the creative process |
• Fear of failure and success holding people back from pursuing their goals and ideas |
• Embracing imperfection and not being afraid to try new things |
• Rachel White's experiences with giving technical talks and demos at conferences |
• Discussion of hardware and internet of things |
• Encouraging non-programmers to learn programming through examples like Andy Reitano's NESpectre project |
• Role of gaming as a breeding ground for software developers |
• Importance of breaking down complex concepts into simple terms for non-technical audiences |
• Rachel White's experiences with NodeBots and creating fun hardware projects |
• Her personal experience with an RFID chip implanted in her hand |
• Rachel White discusses her RFID chip implant, which can be read and written by Android devices. |
• She expresses hope for the future of Node, focusing on making secure systems and private information. |
• Rachel emphasizes the importance of innovation and utilizing technology in ways that benefit people beyond enterprise needs. |
• She mentions the Tessel microcontroller, a platform with Node pre-installed, which simplifies hardware development and has sparked community growth. |
• The conversation touches on hackathons, exposing new programmers to Node, and Rachel's enthusiasm for making cool and weird projects outside of daily work. |
• The importance of creative process and personal meaning in artistic creation |
• Release of art into the world means relinquishing control over its reception |
• Code can be considered a form of art due to creation from nothing |
• Importance of considering how others will perceive one's work |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[00:31\] Welcome to our Spotlight series titled The Future Of Node, recorded at Node Interactive 2016, in Austin, Texas. We produced this in partnership with the Linux Foundation, the NodeJS Foundation and it's sponsored by IBM and StrongLoop. |
**Break:** \[00:43\] to \[01:05\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** In this episode I talked with Rachel White, Technical Evangelist at Microsoft, about Node, IoT, robotics... We talked about making robots, inspiring developers to try new things, having fun as a developer, letting go of impostor syndrome, RFID implants and making stuff for fun, outside of our day-to... |
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**Adam Stacoviak:** So all I have as notes is IoT. That's all I have for notes. |
**Rachel White:** Okay, that's fine. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Let's talk about NodeBots, let's talk about IoT... Are you part of Edge? What do you do at Microsoft? |
**Rachel White:** I'm just a technical evangelist at Microsoft. I basically just work with developers and utilize Microsoft technology like Azure with Node deployment via pushing to GitHub; you can make a web app with Node super easily, and we have a whole slew of cognitive services, like facial recognition, emotional ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** kind of have some of your story then, because you were saying that you don't write... |
**Rachel White:** Production code. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** ...production code, but you create demos to get people excited about the production code and what they could do with it. It's a unique position. |
**Rachel White:** It's great, I love it. My only drawback is I need to stop making so many things with cats. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Okay... You're a cat fan, I assume. I saw your phone. |
**Rachel White:** Yeah, I love cats, in a totally healthy, cat-lady way, not a "I'm gonna be buried underneath lots of boxes and sweaters" way. Some of the web apps that I made though... Yesterday I spoke about a Twitter bot that I made utilizing a Twitter streaming API, Microsoft's Face API, which is facial recognitio... |
I get paid to make things like that. I can get people excited to try out-of-the-box things that they might not necessarily be able to integrate into enterprise applications, but facial recognition could totally be... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Fun stuff! |
**Rachel White:** \[03:47\] Yeah. You could totally use it for more applicable things. I would like to think that I am more reaching out to the people that may not have had too much experience with Node, and then they'll see this application -- I always open source everything that I make, and I write the readme super d... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's really interesting, because you get a chance to 1) open source fund interesting projects, but also use a creative side to yourself that -- I don't wanna say not important, because it's not production code, but at the same time you have this level of freedom in your code that isn't restricted ... |
**Rachel White:** Yeah, and the extra interesting thing is I've only been working with Node for about the past year. After JSConf 2014, I was sitting in a NodeBots panel and I saw all the really awesome stuff that Rick Waldron and Kassandra Perch and Francis Gulotta were making, and I was like "I wanna do this!" And th... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Whaat?! |
**Rachel White:** And that was my first foray into Node, which I then kind of just pushed it aside because at that point in time I still was a frontend/full-stack JavaScript developers, and I didn't have that much time. I actually just got the Facebook memory on my phone yesterday - a year ago yesterday I finished my f... |
It was kind of exciting, because that one was the longest readme I've ever written, and I was so exhausted from finishing it... I published the repo, I tweeted about it, I posted it to Hacker News, I went to sleep, I woke up and it was all over the internet. Some site in Japan wrote about it... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I bet! They love cats there. |
**Rachel White:** Yes. It went over really well, and so many people came up to me after giving talks about it, saying "I've never done any of these things before and you really inspired be to try." That's something that I keep on hearing, and it makes me feel so good, because I want people to try new things. It's cool. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I was reading a book, Essentialism. Have you heard of the book or read it? |
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