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[2165.04 --> 2167.04] Like, oh, that is some FOSTA. |
[2167.04 --> 2168.04] No, you think it's good? |
[2168.04 --> 2169.04] FOSTA! |
[2169.04 --> 2171.04] SESTA, yeah. |
[2171.04 --> 2172.04] I could see SESTA. |
[2172.04 --> 2173.04] SESTA. |
[2173.04 --> 2175.04] Like, mmm, that's SESTA. |
[2175.04 --> 2177.04] I could define that. |
[2177.04 --> 2179.04] You're just saying it like zesty. |
[2179.04 --> 2180.04] Yeah, but it's SESTA. |
[2180.04 --> 2181.04] You know, SESTA. |
[2181.04 --> 2182.04] Okay. |
[2182.04 --> 2183.04] Okay. |
[2183.04 --> 2184.04] Yeah. |
[2184.04 --> 2185.04] No, come on, man. |
[2185.04 --> 2189.04] This is a bill that ostensibly curbs online sex trafficking. |
[2189.04 --> 2197.04] But there are some critics that say it's going to increase online censorship, stifle innovation, and make everyone less safe online. |
[2197.04 --> 2198.04] So, Congress passed it. |
[2198.04 --> 2202.04] It's just, they're just waiting for President Trump's signature for it to become a law. |
[2202.04 --> 2209.04] I can't imagine him not signing anything that he can list in, like, his accomplishments. |
[2209.04 --> 2213.04] Like, I actually think he would sign anything. |
[2213.04 --> 2222.04] Mind you, with that said, I think the news that I looked at most recently said that he might not sign the bill that funds the government for the next year or whatever. |
[2222.04 --> 2224.04] The omnibus bill or whatever they're calling it. |
[2224.04 --> 2225.04] Right. |
[2225.04 --> 2227.04] Anyway, whole other conversation. |
[2227.04 --> 2233.04] So, here's the issue that, okay. |
[2233.04 --> 2257.04] So, on the one hand, if we're actually preventing human trafficking by creating what is, in effect, sort of a responsibility on these websites for the content that is being posted by third parties, if we are actually helping people by doing that, that's a good thing. |
[2257.04 --> 2267.04] The problem is that what this creates is a burden on website owners and operators to be responsible for everything that is posted on their site. |
[2267.04 --> 2275.04] Not just everything that is present on their sites on an ongoing basis, but everything that is posted on their sites. |
[2275.04 --> 2293.04] And as someone who hosts a user submitted content forum, I can tell you right now, it is basically freaking impossible to police every single thing that someone might post on a website. |
[2293.04 --> 2301.04] Craigslist has already removed its personal section for fear of a CESTA transgression that would affect the entire site. |
[2301.04 --> 2308.04] Which demonstrates right there that the community is interpreting this as too heavy of a touch to want to risk. |
[2308.04 --> 2313.04] Yeah, to even want to have a chance of running afoul of. |
[2313.04 --> 2318.04] That's a big part of their website. The personals ad is not a trivial part of Craigslist. |
[2318.04 --> 2319.04] Really? Tell me more. |
[2319.04 --> 2323.04] Oh, you know. That's how we met. |
[2323.04 --> 2328.04] No, I don't think we posted our job posting on Craigslist. |
[2328.04 --> 2330.04] And it certainly wasn't in personals. |
[2330.04 --> 2331.04] Job posting. |
[2331.04 --> 2332.04] Job posting. |
[2332.04 --> 2342.04] Oh, boy. And then, so, the argument though is that, well, you know, if you have a site, you should be responsible for what's on it. |
[2342.04 --> 2354.04] And so, you know, companies like Facebook or Twitter, for example, might be able to build, you know, AI or algorithmic protection mechanisms to keep offensive content from being posted. |
[2354.04 --> 2363.04] But one of the arguments against CESTA that says it could stifle innovation is that small companies like, say, for example, Floatplane Media Inc. |
[2363.04 --> 2364.04] Might not. |
[2364.04 --> 2365.04] Wait, what's that? |
[2365.04 --> 2379.04] Might not have access to expert lawyers and the same kinds of monitoring algorithms that a large company would and might just run the risk of having to say, you know what? |
[2379.04 --> 2391.04] Look, we can't afford to get buried in legal fees because we're, like, enabling online sex trafficking because, like, something went up on our site and we didn't see it for 20 minutes. |
[2391.04 --> 2403.04] And they might just shut down, which could hurt the ability of the next Facebook competitor to spring up out of nowhere, which, I mean, you know, I don't think anyone sees anything on the horizon like that. |
[2403.04 --> 2407.04] But putting more barriers in place is not the solution. |
[2407.04 --> 2409.04] And I can tell you right now, like, it's already challenging. |
[2409.04 --> 2415.04] So, Floatplane had a heck of a time getting credit card payments approved. |
[2415.04 --> 2423.04] First, the payment processor, and this is all because of their underwriting bank that was requesting all this crap. |
[2423.04 --> 2425.04] And I'm kind of sitting here going, what do you guys care? |
[2425.04 --> 2426.04] Anyway. |
[2426.04 --> 2427.04] Blockchain. |
[2427.04 --> 2437.04] So their payment processor wanted to see a finished site before they would give us access to the actual API hooks to integrate into the site. |
[2437.04 --> 2438.04] Bit of a chicken and egg thing, isn't it? |
[2438.04 --> 2439.04] Bit of a chicken and egg thing. |
[2439.04 --> 2444.04] Like, what, are you going to develop a whole site and then have a payment processor go and say, you know, that bloop. |
[2444.04 --> 2446.04] It's a little too blue. |
[2446.04 --> 2447.04] You know what? |
[2447.04 --> 2448.04] We're going to pass. |
[2448.04 --> 2449.04] We're just going to pass. |
[2449.04 --> 2451.04] So they wanted that. |
[2451.04 --> 2456.04] Then we had to get on this conference call with them where we had to explain a couple of things. |
[2456.04 --> 2465.04] Number one is how we were going to monitor user posted content. |
[2465.04 --> 2477.04] And we're kind of sitting here going, well, like, it's us, like our sister company, and like our friend Kyle that are uploading to it right now. |
[2477.04 --> 2479.04] Like, I don't think this is going to be an issue. |
[2479.04 --> 2482.04] But that count, like comments are under that umbrella, are they not? |
[2482.04 --> 2498.04] Yes, but comments are a little bit easier to moderate because you can, but again, though, it comes down to imposing on websites the restriction that you'll just have to kind of narrow down. |
[2498.04 --> 2508.04] Like, you'll have to effectively make the comments a little less open and a little less free because we could crack down on people being able to post GIFs, for example. |
[2508.04 --> 2511.04] Or we could crack down on people being able to post links. |
[2511.04 --> 2512.04] Links. |
[2512.04 --> 2516.04] So these are pretty easy ways to keep, you know, sex traffic. |
[2516.04 --> 2519.04] And a spam filter for certain diction. |
[2519.04 --> 2520.04] Yeah. |
[2520.04 --> 2526.04] But that will make, in effect, our comments more censored than we otherwise might have preferred to have them. |
[2526.04 --> 2532.04] So anyway, the other thing we wanted to know is what our plan was to keep adult content off the site. |
[2532.04 --> 2536.04] And we're kind of sitting here going, look, I'm not going to name any names because I'm just... |
[2536.04 --> 2539.04] It's just been...it has really been that kind of week. |
[2539.04 --> 2540.04] My week's been fine. |
[2540.04 --> 2541.04] I don't...great. |
[2541.04 --> 2542.04] Good. |
[2542.04 --> 2544.04] So I just don't...like, I don't want to get into it. |
[2544.04 --> 2550.04] But we're kind of going, okay, A, there's nothing on your terms of service that says anything about adult content, for one thing. |
[2550.04 --> 2554.04] To which their response was, well, we can't keep our terms of service updated at all times. |
[2554.04 --> 2555.04] And I kind of go, what are you talking about? |
[2555.04 --> 2560.04] They're like, well, you know, that's why we have us to explain the internal terms of service to people. |
[2560.04 --> 2566.04] And I'm like, so you have internal terms of service and external terms of service. |
[2566.04 --> 2567.04] Here's an idea. |
[2567.04 --> 2570.04] Why don't you just have one terms of service? |
[2570.04 --> 2572.04] Well, what else is on that internal terms of service? |
[2572.04 --> 2573.04] Great question. |
[2573.04 --> 2574.04] What a tremendous question. |
[2574.04 --> 2575.04] I'm so glad you asked. |
[2575.04 --> 2576.04] What a great audience. |
[2576.04 --> 2577.04] Yeah. |
[2577.04 --> 2583.04] And so we went, one, okay, you don't have that in your terms of service. |
[2583.04 --> 2596.04] And two, we know for a fact that there's at least one major site that does offer adult content that uses you as a payment processor. |
[2596.04 --> 2598.04] And has for years. |
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