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[1095.30 --> 1095.90] What?
[1098.40 --> 1100.66] Who cares if it's not final?
[1100.92 --> 1101.70] Oh, wow.
[1102.16 --> 1105.82] Okay, so, A, why are you whining about this, Nick?
[1105.84 --> 1107.06] I'm talking to Nick up there.
[1107.30 --> 1109.12] He can hear me because he's streaming.
[1109.12 --> 1111.38] And, B, why are you watching the WAN show at work?
[1111.60 --> 1111.82] Okay.
[1112.22 --> 1114.70] Do we watch podcasts while we're supposed to be working, Nick?
[1115.30 --> 1115.70] Yeah.
[1115.86 --> 1116.60] That's what I thought.
[1118.52 --> 1119.12] All right.
[1119.18 --> 1130.42] So, let's, I will respect his wishes at least until such time as he has provided me with a very compelling reason why I should listen to him.
[1130.42 --> 1142.48] DS, DSR, DSR, DSRTFX, geez, man, your name, says, then instead of calling it a package manager, literally just call it the App Store or the Windows Store.
[1142.56 --> 1143.02] It's the same thing.
[1143.08 --> 1143.68] That's the point.
[1143.78 --> 1144.90] Yeah, but you can't do that.
[1145.02 --> 1145.38] Yeah.
[1145.38 --> 1155.56] Because, like, if you start calling your App Store the App Store, Apple is going to be down your throat and up your butt at the same time with their entire legal team.
[1155.84 --> 1159.80] But, like, you could call it something that would make sense and would be fine, but they won't.
[1159.94 --> 1160.12] Yeah.
[1160.22 --> 1162.38] And the other thing, too, is that it takes...
[1162.92 --> 1165.08] And it will probably hurt the Linux culture.
[1165.30 --> 1166.58] Like, people won't like it.
[1166.58 --> 1170.06] And it actually takes a lot of, it takes a lot of branding.
[1170.42 --> 1176.68] It takes a lot of actual marketing to get people to get comfortable with something.
[1176.94 --> 1187.08] Like, the number of times that people have to hear App Store to suddenly have that be, like, that's the friendly sounding version instead of, you know, application marketplace or whatever.
[1187.26 --> 1188.14] You have to spend money on that.
[1188.14 --> 1188.48] Yeah, but you can shorten that.
[1188.58 --> 1189.46] You can go App Marketplace.
[1189.46 --> 1190.26] Like, when Google changed.
[1190.26 --> 1190.84] Or App Market.
[1190.96 --> 1192.66] When Google changed to Play Store.
[1193.12 --> 1193.36] Yeah.
[1193.78 --> 1194.44] What was it called?
[1194.52 --> 1195.40] Android Market before?
[1195.58 --> 1196.30] Android Marketplace?
[1196.30 --> 1196.48] Something like that.
[1196.58 --> 1198.26] That was a big deal when they changed to Play Store.
[1198.62 --> 1210.68] And the stupid thing about it, the stupid thing about it, is here I am giving the tech community a hard time about not being accepting of friendlier ways of naming things and doing things.
[1210.82 --> 1215.60] But I had the exact same reaction when Google called it the Play Store.
[1215.92 --> 1217.22] I was, like, mad.
[1218.30 --> 1221.14] I was, like, what was wrong with the way they did it before?
[1221.44 --> 1224.62] I don't play an app if it's not a game.
[1224.62 --> 1228.48] That was seriously, like, pretty almost word for word.
[1228.58 --> 1229.22] That was what I said.
[1229.28 --> 1229.46] Okay.
[1229.58 --> 1233.00] To be fair, I literally remember this because we were both really angry about it.
[1233.04 --> 1238.80] And I think at that point in time, what we were angry about was that I think we thought it was, like, just for games, basically.
[1239.46 --> 1242.20] Because it was actually kind of confusing when it first came out.
[1242.32 --> 1242.72] Right.
[1242.72 --> 1245.30] So it had, but it had apps at the time.
[1245.40 --> 1245.52] Yeah.
[1245.52 --> 1261.70] The things that they didn't have yet was the deep collection of movie and music and TV show content that now, in hindsight, almost makes it look like Google knew what they were doing with a branding thing.
[1261.70 --> 1265.52] But I'm afraid to be too sure.
[1265.52 --> 1266.36] Afraid to give them that, yeah.
[1266.36 --> 1267.12] I'm afraid.
[1267.30 --> 1267.54] Yeah.
[1267.72 --> 1268.68] Because I don't know.
[1270.44 --> 1271.56] App Storeint.
[1271.82 --> 1272.28] Oh, geez.
[1272.30 --> 1273.82] Oh, people are giving us suggestions.
[1274.56 --> 1276.10] The App Store with a zero.
[1278.10 --> 1278.60] Yeah.
[1278.80 --> 1279.74] I know, right?
[1280.92 --> 1282.02] The Hack Store?
[1282.26 --> 1283.16] No, no.
[1283.16 --> 1284.00] The RAM Portal, no.
[1284.08 --> 1285.34] The Get App and Go?
[1285.90 --> 1290.34] Okay, this is the problem with letting, like, when you let software engineers name things.
[1291.04 --> 1291.66] Get Store.
[1291.80 --> 1292.98] That doesn't help.
[1293.20 --> 1294.52] That doesn't help at all.
[1297.88 --> 1299.56] At to put Get Store.
[1300.02 --> 1300.26] No.
[1300.52 --> 1301.20] Oh, man.
[1301.22 --> 1302.04] App Store.
[1302.24 --> 1304.86] The APT Store is not going to make it better.
[1304.94 --> 1305.84] The Pseudo Store.
[1306.22 --> 1306.62] No.
[1307.02 --> 1307.26] Yeah.
[1307.78 --> 1308.68] Well, it would be Pseudo.
[1308.68 --> 1312.76] Okay, actually, okay, you're more in tune with the Linux community than me.
[1312.76 --> 1316.18] It's super user do, but is it sudo or sudo?
[1316.34 --> 1317.96] Do you pronounce it the way it's said?
[1318.52 --> 1321.58] A lot of people say sudo, but I think...
[1321.58 --> 1322.86] But isn't that short for sudofed?
[1323.32 --> 1324.46] Like, isn't that a problem?
[1324.64 --> 1327.00] But it doesn't matter what the, like, a lot of people...
[1327.00 --> 1329.94] It is sudo, but a lot of people say sudo.
[1330.06 --> 1330.34] Sudo.
[1330.40 --> 1332.40] Like, I say sudo, but it's sudo.
[1332.62 --> 1335.92] Okay, so this is similar to the GIF argument.
[1337.06 --> 1341.04] I think a little bit less so, because that's just completely BS.
[1341.04 --> 1344.60] And this one is like, it actually makes sense.
[1344.92 --> 1345.72] I don't know.
[1345.82 --> 1346.26] Like, you don't say...
[1346.26 --> 1347.14] I don't know.
[1347.22 --> 1350.78] I mean, this show right now has pretty good graphics right now.
[1350.82 --> 1351.38] That's what I mean.

[1095.30 --> 1095.90] What?

[1098.40 --> 1100.66] Who cares if it's not final?

[1100.92 --> 1101.70] Oh, wow.

[1102.16 --> 1105.82] Okay, so, A, why are you whining about this, Nick?

[1105.84 --> 1107.06] I'm talking to Nick up there.

[1107.30 --> 1109.12] He can hear me because he's streaming.

[1109.12 --> 1111.38] And, B, why are you watching the WAN show at work?

[1111.60 --> 1111.82] Okay.

[1112.22 --> 1114.70] Do we watch podcasts while we're supposed to be working, Nick?

[1115.30 --> 1115.70] Yeah.

[1115.86 --> 1116.60] That's what I thought.

[1118.52 --> 1119.12] All right.

[1119.18 --> 1130.42] So, let's, I will respect his wishes at least until such time as he has provided me with a very compelling reason why I should listen to him.

[1130.42 --> 1142.48] DS, DSR, DSR, DSRTFX, geez, man, your name, says, then instead of calling it a package manager, literally just call it the App Store or the Windows Store.

[1142.56 --> 1143.02] It's the same thing.

[1143.08 --> 1143.68] That's the point.

[1143.78 --> 1144.90] Yeah, but you can't do that.

[1145.02 --> 1145.38] Yeah.

[1145.38 --> 1155.56] Because, like, if you start calling your App Store the App Store, Apple is going to be down your throat and up your butt at the same time with their entire legal team.

[1155.84 --> 1159.80] But, like, you could call it something that would make sense and would be fine, but they won't.

[1159.94 --> 1160.12] Yeah.

[1160.22 --> 1162.38] And the other thing, too, is that it takes...

[1162.92 --> 1165.08] And it will probably hurt the Linux culture.

[1165.30 --> 1166.58] Like, people won't like it.

[1166.58 --> 1170.06] And it actually takes a lot of, it takes a lot of branding.

[1170.42 --> 1176.68] It takes a lot of actual marketing to get people to get comfortable with something.

[1176.94 --> 1187.08] Like, the number of times that people have to hear App Store to suddenly have that be, like, that's the friendly sounding version instead of, you know, application marketplace or whatever.

[1187.26 --> 1188.14] You have to spend money on that.

[1188.14 --> 1188.48] Yeah, but you can shorten that.

[1188.58 --> 1189.46] You can go App Marketplace.

[1189.46 --> 1190.26] Like, when Google changed.

[1190.26 --> 1190.84] Or App Market.

[1190.96 --> 1192.66] When Google changed to Play Store.

[1193.12 --> 1193.36] Yeah.

[1193.78 --> 1194.44] What was it called?

[1194.52 --> 1195.40] Android Market before?

[1195.58 --> 1196.30] Android Marketplace?

[1196.30 --> 1196.48] Something like that.

[1196.58 --> 1198.26] That was a big deal when they changed to Play Store.

[1198.62 --> 1210.68] And the stupid thing about it, the stupid thing about it, is here I am giving the tech community a hard time about not being accepting of friendlier ways of naming things and doing things.

[1210.82 --> 1215.60] But I had the exact same reaction when Google called it the Play Store.

[1215.92 --> 1217.22] I was, like, mad.

[1218.30 --> 1221.14] I was, like, what was wrong with the way they did it before?

[1221.44 --> 1224.62] I don't play an app if it's not a game.

[1224.62 --> 1228.48] That was seriously, like, pretty almost word for word.

[1228.58 --> 1229.22] That was what I said.

[1229.28 --> 1229.46] Okay.

[1229.58 --> 1233.00] To be fair, I literally remember this because we were both really angry about it.

[1233.04 --> 1238.80] And I think at that point in time, what we were angry about was that I think we thought it was, like, just for games, basically.

[1239.46 --> 1242.20] Because it was actually kind of confusing when it first came out.

[1242.32 --> 1242.72] Right.

[1242.72 --> 1245.30] So it had, but it had apps at the time.

[1245.40 --> 1245.52] Yeah.

[1245.52 --> 1261.70] The things that they didn't have yet was the deep collection of movie and music and TV show content that now, in hindsight, almost makes it look like Google knew what they were doing with a branding thing.

[1261.70 --> 1265.52] But I'm afraid to be too sure.

[1265.52 --> 1266.36] Afraid to give them that, yeah.

[1266.36 --> 1267.12] I'm afraid.

[1267.30 --> 1267.54] Yeah.

[1267.72 --> 1268.68] Because I don't know.

[1270.44 --> 1271.56] App Storeint.

[1271.82 --> 1272.28] Oh, geez.

[1272.30 --> 1273.82] Oh, people are giving us suggestions.

[1274.56 --> 1276.10] The App Store with a zero.

[1278.10 --> 1278.60] Yeah.

[1278.80 --> 1279.74] I know, right?

[1280.92 --> 1282.02] The Hack Store?

[1282.26 --> 1283.16] No, no.

[1283.16 --> 1284.00] The RAM Portal, no.

[1284.08 --> 1285.34] The Get App and Go?

[1285.90 --> 1290.34] Okay, this is the problem with letting, like, when you let software engineers name things.

[1291.04 --> 1291.66] Get Store.

[1291.80 --> 1292.98] That doesn't help.

[1293.20 --> 1294.52] That doesn't help at all.

[1297.88 --> 1299.56] At to put Get Store.

[1300.02 --> 1300.26] No.

[1300.52 --> 1301.20] Oh, man.

[1301.22 --> 1302.04] App Store.

[1302.24 --> 1304.86] The APT Store is not going to make it better.

[1304.94 --> 1305.84] The Pseudo Store.

[1306.22 --> 1306.62] No.

[1307.02 --> 1307.26] Yeah.

[1307.78 --> 1308.68] Well, it would be Pseudo.

[1308.68 --> 1312.76] Okay, actually, okay, you're more in tune with the Linux community than me.

[1312.76 --> 1316.18] It's super user do, but is it sudo or sudo?

[1316.34 --> 1317.96] Do you pronounce it the way it's said?

[1318.52 --> 1321.58] A lot of people say sudo, but I think...

[1321.58 --> 1322.86] But isn't that short for sudofed?

[1323.32 --> 1324.46] Like, isn't that a problem?

[1324.64 --> 1327.00] But it doesn't matter what the, like, a lot of people...

[1327.00 --> 1329.94] It is sudo, but a lot of people say sudo.

[1330.06 --> 1330.34] Sudo.

[1330.40 --> 1332.40] Like, I say sudo, but it's sudo.

[1332.62 --> 1335.92] Okay, so this is similar to the GIF argument.

[1337.06 --> 1341.04] I think a little bit less so, because that's just completely BS.

[1341.04 --> 1344.60] And this one is like, it actually makes sense.

[1344.92 --> 1345.72] I don't know.

[1345.82 --> 1346.26] Like, you don't say...

[1346.26 --> 1347.14] I don't know.

[1347.22 --> 1350.78] I mean, this show right now has pretty good graphics right now.

[1350.82 --> 1351.38] That's what I mean.