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[2437.40 --> 2444.56] Yeah, so we actually did a stream of that today from my office where after seeing Dave Lee's |
[2444.56 --> 2449.76] video, I was like, okay, well let's see how long it'll take us from packaged to thermal |
[2449.76 --> 2454.62] throttling with the MacBook Pro, with the 2018 MacBook Pro. |
[2454.70 --> 2461.74] We got the Core i9 version, so that's like a $7,000 notebook that thermal throttles, if |
[2461.74 --> 2465.94] you hit it with a really intense load, basically immediately. |
[2465.94 --> 2471.10] And then if you hit it with a less intense load, after like a couple minutes. |
[2472.10 --> 2478.94] It's pretty brutal, and it's something that I'm starting to not like wonder if Apple is |
[2478.94 --> 2483.58] doing on purpose, but it's something that I'm starting to get really frustrated that |
[2483.58 --> 2484.60] Apple is doing on purpose. |
[2484.60 --> 2489.06] So the original MacBook, you guys may or may not remember this, but we did a video where |
[2489.06 --> 2489.86] we water cooled it. |
[2489.94 --> 2492.82] That was a passively cooled machine, if I recall correctly. |
[2493.10 --> 2493.86] It's been a while. |
[2494.52 --> 2499.62] But we water cooled it by basically taking the entire machine, putting some like putty in |
[2499.62 --> 2504.72] the screw holes, and then like putting it in a tray of water that wasn't so deep that |
[2504.72 --> 2506.80] it would come up and go into the ports or into the keyboard. |
[2506.80 --> 2511.16] And we were able to get something to the tune of nearly double the performance out of it. |
[2511.24 --> 2513.88] But that was supposed to be a thin and light. |
[2513.96 --> 2523.34] It was supposed to be a computer with unprecedented, like unprecedented, like portability. |
[2523.54 --> 2525.26] That was the whole point of it. |
[2528.12 --> 2531.06] And so this is a pretty different type. |
[2531.14 --> 2532.72] So basically we accepted it. |
[2532.72 --> 2540.22] But now they're doing this with professional machines, like the iMac Pro, that thermal throttle |
[2540.22 --> 2540.76] is like crazy. |
[2540.90 --> 2541.94] And we opened it up. |
[2542.08 --> 2543.26] We saw the thermal solution. |
[2543.60 --> 2553.12] It was very clearly not going to handle a Vega graphics card and up to an 18 core processor. |
[2553.74 --> 2556.76] Apple ships that thing with up to an 18 core processor. |
[2557.56 --> 2562.54] And then now this MacBook Pro, where they went and without making significant changes, |
[2562.72 --> 2566.64] to the thermal solution, which already had a hard time with the core i7 that was in it |
[2566.64 --> 2569.06] before, they went and they put two more computing cores in it. |
[2569.14 --> 2570.54] They went and they put a core i9 in it. |
[2571.12 --> 2574.72] So your performance actually isn't any better. |
[2575.12 --> 2577.06] But Apple's charging you more for it. |
[2577.30 --> 2579.58] And on paper, it seems to be faster. |
[2579.80 --> 2586.78] So it's gotten to the point now where it looks not like bad design, but it looks like intentional |
[2586.78 --> 2587.44] deception. |
[2588.24 --> 2594.24] Like if you bought a car that was 600 horsepower instead of 400 horsepower. |
[2594.80 --> 2598.78] Yes, horsepower is not the be all and end all of car speed, we know. |
[2599.26 --> 2603.30] But if you bought a car that was 600 instead of 400 horsepower, but there was some other |
[2603.30 --> 2607.70] component inside it that limited it so that both of them delivered 350. |
[2607.70 --> 2611.14] How mad would you be if you paid for the extra package? |
[2611.24 --> 2612.92] Then why did they sell me that? |
[2613.12 --> 2614.96] Why do we accept this from Apple? |
[2615.50 --> 2618.86] Like you make it like easier for me to understand what you're trying to say. |
[2619.94 --> 2621.10] Yeah, now I get it. |
[2621.14 --> 2623.86] Because I couldn't come to be anything. |
[2624.10 --> 2624.96] You need to do that. |
[2625.46 --> 2628.86] I mean, ours was throttling well under its base clock. |
[2629.18 --> 2631.46] Even just doing things like exporting in Final Cut. |
[2632.48 --> 2633.46] Very frustrating. |
[2633.46 --> 2637.06] So I don't know. |
[2637.24 --> 2638.28] I just... |
[2638.28 --> 2642.10] So they have something to limit their something. |
[2642.30 --> 2645.98] Well, the problem is that if you hit it with a really hard load, the CPU reaches 100 degrees |
[2645.98 --> 2646.78] basically instantly. |
[2647.02 --> 2650.32] And so it'll turn itself down to protect itself. |
[2651.64 --> 2654.76] That's a safety mechanism that Intel has built into the chip. |
[2655.10 --> 2658.94] Because otherwise, I mean, if you just let it get as hot as it wants, you could cook on |
[2658.94 --> 2659.08] it. |
[2659.58 --> 2661.58] And it would burn itself out very quickly. |
[2662.46 --> 2662.82] Oh. |
[2662.82 --> 2663.14] Oh. |
[2663.42 --> 2665.62] People are like, Linus, you aren't supposed to encode on a laptop. |
[2669.04 --> 2670.58] Why is Dan's wearing two glasses? |
[2670.90 --> 2672.22] I'm also wearing two shirts. |
[2673.32 --> 2673.60] Yeah. |
[2673.96 --> 2674.20] Yeah. |
[2674.26 --> 2674.96] It's really hot. |
[2675.10 --> 2675.44] That's fine. |
[2675.50 --> 2677.38] Okay, this is actually how I wear my sunglasses. |
[2677.70 --> 2678.00] Oh, really? |
[2678.08 --> 2679.52] I just put them over. |
[2679.64 --> 2679.92] Really? |
[2680.82 --> 2682.00] I lost my... |
[2682.00 --> 2683.36] The one with prescription. |
[2684.30 --> 2685.00] What's wrong with... |
[2685.00 --> 2686.48] You can't really tell if this is... |
[2686.48 --> 2687.32] Yes, you can. |
[2687.50 --> 2687.88] You can. |
[2688.08 --> 2688.86] Yes, you can. |
[2688.86 --> 2689.56] Sunglasses, you can tell. |
[2689.94 --> 2691.02] It's only the same shape. |
[2691.02 --> 2694.32] Seriously, though, I do that every day. |
[2695.28 --> 2698.16] And no one look at me like weird ever. |
[2699.28 --> 2702.90] Maybe you just can't tell the difference between how they normally look at you and how they look |
[2702.90 --> 2704.48] at you when you're wearing two pairs of sunglasses. |
[2704.70 --> 2705.00] Like, seriously. |
[2705.00 --> 2708.42] Like, maybe the shirt was already enough that they were going to be looking at you whatever |
[2708.42 --> 2708.98] way they look at you. |
[2708.98 --> 2709.34] Oh, yeah. |
[2709.44 --> 2709.66] Fine. |
[2709.80 --> 2709.98] Fine. |
[2712.14 --> 2712.86] Oh, man. |
[2713.62 --> 2713.98] Okay. |
[2714.94 --> 2721.80] In other news, in an internal document distributed to Apple-authorized service providers, Apple |
[2721.80 --> 2726.92] has confirmed the third-generation keyboard on the 2018 MacBook Pro is equipped with a membrane |
[2726.92 --> 2730.40] to, quote, prevent debris from entering the butterfly mechanism. |
[2730.40 --> 2735.88] So, publicly, Apple has only said that it features an improved third-generation keyboard for quieter |
[2735.88 --> 2736.28] typing. |
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