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[806.54 --> 812.22] and now it's like whoa whoa whoa now hold hold on just a gosh darn minute whether you have a pc or
[812.22 --> 818.70] whether you have a console yeah if you want a game on a monitor or on a tv if you want all of those
[818.70 --> 825.98] things and the ability to interconnect all of them free sync is the only solution on the market today
[827.66 --> 833.10] it's probably going to stay that way and a lot of people are assuming that the only reason that nvidia
[833.10 --> 838.46] would not adopt the industry standard solution is in order to make more money on their licensing
[838.46 --> 846.78] but i'm kind of looking at this going like hold on a minute if there wasn't more to it than that
[847.42 --> 853.34] why would nvidia pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 for these modules
[854.78 --> 862.62] why would they why would they hurt the competitiveness of g-sync monitors available on the market
[862.62 --> 869.42] if they didn't have to and then you go you go back again and you go now okay well hold on a second
[869.42 --> 879.82] here g-sync on notebooks doesn't have this fpga so they found a way to do it with the embedded display
[879.82 --> 887.50] port connection but not with the standard you know i think we haven't really done a guest in a long time
[887.50 --> 897.02] i think this news merits asking tom peterson from nvidia to come on the show and explain why
[897.66 --> 905.82] the actual ball sack they would spend all this money and lock variable refresh rate down to this
[906.46 --> 907.82] proprietary solution
[910.30 --> 917.26] if there isn't a compelling of their own products yeah because because imagine imagine that
[917.26 --> 927.26] your nvidia talking to lg or tcl or samsung you're talking to a major like panel and television
[927.26 --> 936.22] manufacturer and you're going have i got a deal for you we're gonna have you take your existing scaler
[936.94 --> 943.90] i know it's cheap but you know you're gonna throw that away okay you're gonna take our scaler which
[943.90 --> 949.42] doesn't have all these fancy component inputs that people might need for their legacy devices
[949.98 --> 959.34] it doesn't take six hdmis in it's pretty basic we want you to spend 500 on it sound good
[960.62 --> 965.50] why would they do that if they don't have to and then why would they go and put a bunch of ram on it
[965.50 --> 973.58] if they don't have to is there okay so i've used freesync and aside from some of the
[973.58 --> 978.86] the limitations of the early monitors where the freesync range was not very helpful like it didn't
[978.86 --> 986.62] go down low enough i don't personally notice a huge difference like is this the kind of thing where i
[986.62 --> 990.86] have to pull out a phantom camera in order to see the the difference in the way the monitors are
[990.86 --> 996.14] refreshing is that something we should do we should we should talk to tom though okay if that's something
[996.14 --> 1004.86] we should do then sure but we could get what we should do from him okay all right all right i think
[1004.86 --> 1014.22] giving tom a chance i'm gonna email him right now uh no no i'm emailing him right now can you guys
[1014.22 --> 1021.82] come on our show and explain g-sync this is all in the subject line got a lot of our viewers i mean
[1021.82 --> 1026.38] really this is me asking you guys don't seem that concerned got a lot of our viewers wondering
[1027.50 --> 1035.26] why it needs needs uh two thousand dollar fpga and three gigs of ram he's legitimately doing this
[1035.26 --> 1042.94] right now linus you know let's throw chat seems to be asking for it right now thanks linus um okay
[1042.94 --> 1049.58] linus yeah formal yeah you know what i'll throw in the thanks every once in a while i'll throw in the
[1049.58 --> 1054.46] thanks it was still basically a one-liner yeah but it's got a thanks you know tom tom's tom's
[1054.46 --> 1059.50] i respect tom a lot by the way tom's great super cool so is the other person including the email
[1059.50 --> 1065.34] yeah yeah so if anyone can explain this to me i think our pr contact gets upset when i go straight
[1065.34 --> 1070.62] to tom because tom is not technically pr or marketing or anything he's not technically like
[1070.62 --> 1074.62] an outward facing position he's really good at it yeah he's like awesome yeah so it's you know i
[1074.62 --> 1081.02] i really want to talk to tom about it because he can put something like we are spending 500
[1081.58 --> 1087.02] for lols into a perspective that might make sense yeah because if there's anything i know about nvidia
[1087.02 --> 1089.18] it's that they don't spend money unnecessarily
[1093.26 --> 1099.50] all right let's jump into our next topic here uh this was posted by rubber puppy on the forum
[1099.50 --> 1105.90] rubber and i'd like to open this with a statement from the current coo of floatplane media
[1107.02 --> 1117.26] does floatplane media now or intend in the future to alter or um disfigure in any way the thumbnail
[1117.26 --> 1125.18] that a creator would upload to the platform for their viewers no uh not only does that seem uh
[1125.18 --> 1131.18] uh i'm trying to be pr happy right here not only does that seem stupid just drop the pr happiness
[1131.18 --> 1137.90] uh that's not pr but that that literally just sounds like unnecessary work and we have a lot of other
[1137.90 --> 1147.66] stuff to do so let's just let's jump over to my screen not only do i not get the point but it sounds like a
[1147.66 --> 1155.10] bunch of work here's the post from rail a large song garacia oh wow i'm not even
[1155.10 --> 1161.50] you know forget forget that i ever tried um hello team youtube i would like to know why are
[1161.50 --> 1168.06] not the thumbnails of the videos on my channel what happens is that all my videos had thumbnails and now
[1168.06 --> 1178.14] they are no longer seen what a tremendous tremendous concern to have um this is good so to youtube's credit
[1178.14 --> 1184.62] now going back to going back to being appreciative of youtube for a minute here to youtube's credit they replied
[1184.62 --> 1189.66] yeah thank you team youtube that's actually surprising good job i'm not a super huge fan of
[1189.66 --> 1196.06] their reply we are running a small experiment where 0.3 percent of viewers will see an auto-generated
[1196.06 --> 1202.86] thumbnail instead of your custom thumbnail okay we're not removing the ability to create your custom
[1202.86 --> 1209.66] thumbnail we're just not going to show it to some people we're doing this to gain insight on auto-generated
[1209.66 --> 1216.70] thumbnails for the future something to consider too is 0.3 sounds automatically like oh absolutely
[1216.70 --> 1222.94] tiny amount of people but it's freaking youtube so 0.3 is actually i have no idea but i'm assuming in the
[1222.94 --> 1229.58] millions of people this is actually a lot of people it's not a lot in comparison to the entire whole of
[1229.58 --> 1232.30] people that use youtube but it's a lot of people
[1236.46 --> 1242.62] there's someone with like a research degree that's going after them super ham for for not doing this
[1242.62 --> 1247.74] properly there's the comments on this twitter thread are are glorious i heard back from nvidia already
[1247.74 --> 1252.54] they're saying it doesn't cost two thousand dollars so that's good we've we've confirmed now that they
[1252.54 --> 1259.34] are indeed getting a volume discount which we assumed before um but uh i don't have any information
[1259.34 --> 1265.66] other than that yeah we we knew that so i'm just i just i've replied uh saying well okay yes but uh
[1265.66 --> 1271.34] we like we still want to know yeah so just come talk to us about g-sync dude yeah they don't even
[1271.34 --> 1276.14] necessarily have to be that they should be happy anytime tom gets in front of people they like love
[1276.14 --> 1280.78] nvidia more so they shouldn't yeah they shouldn't be afraid to put just come come flex your tech and we
[1280.78 --> 1284.70] can that can be like part of it but we can talk about more things all right so there's so there's
[1284.70 --> 1291.82] a couple things here number one i personally am of the mind that 0.3 percent is not that big of a
[1291.82 --> 1296.70] deal even in the context of a channel that gets two million views a day which is where we're kind
[1296.70 --> 1300.70] of sitting these days we're a little low right now so hold on per channel yeah but i mean users
[1300.70 --> 1308.06] two million times point and that's not i don't i don't actually think views is the right way to do it
[1308.06 --> 1313.66] okay they could be whale users but if it's no no no not a random distribution not even that because
[1313.66 --> 1318.22] you're looking at people who it's going to come down to a choice decision and with how youtube's
[1318.22 --> 1321.58] algorithm works right now if they don't click on your video it might not come back
[1322.86 --> 1328.38] so you could be getting cut 0.3 of your users okay because now they're not clicking on it because
[1328.38 --> 1333.90] it looks weird so the impact could be could be hurt yeah okay so that would be 60 000 views a day
[1333.90 --> 1339.02] it could potentially hit us for assuming that it's just a one-time a one-time thing which is
[1339.02 --> 1345.58] honestly not the end of the world but 60 000 people a day that might not see your video in sub boxes anymore
[1346.54 --> 1354.78] i'm over it but i have deeper concerns i have other concerns my other concerns are to do with
[1355.90 --> 1362.70] why are they doing research into auto-generated thumbnails if there isn't some kind of purpose to
[1362.70 --> 1369.02] the experiment and the only purpose that i can think of to an experiment that goes hey what would
[1369.02 --> 1374.46] happen if we just used auto-generated thumbnails instead of user-created thumbnails is that they
[1374.46 --> 1380.94] are considering using them yeah that's the only reason to run this experiment that makes sense to my
[1380.94 --> 1387.10] non-ai algorithmic brain and so question for you i'm gonna almost flip sides a little bit here yeah
[1388.14 --> 1392.54] would that be that bad right now we have clickbait cancer all of our thumbnails i'm leaving that
[1392.54 --> 1397.26] up to the audience so i've actually brought up our dashboard here and i'm gonna screen share with
[1397.26 --> 1404.22] you guys let's go ahead and pop up my screen here all right so this video right here went up today
[1405.42 --> 1410.70] high school for gamers uh actually this is not our original thumbnail design for it it originally had me
[1410.70 --> 1416.06] holding up a legitimate e-sports textbook which was hilarious by the way look e-sports textbook amazing
[1416.86 --> 1420.78] so we've got a few different options here we've got to actually do you want to do you want a straw
[1420.78 --> 1425.58] pull create a straw pull and we just need a couple options do you prefer our custom one or do you
[1425.58 --> 1431.90] prefer one of the auto-generated thumbnails so this is high school for gamers we've got me standing
[1431.90 --> 1436.94] holding a book in front of a plant we've got me standing in sort of a dark room it's hard to see my
[1436.94 --> 1441.82] face and then we've got me standing outside of a building and then we've got sort of bigger me with
[1441.82 --> 1446.38] people gaming behind me okay so there's example number one we're gonna we're gonna do a few we're
[1446.38 --> 1449.90] gonna do a few here uh here let's try this one
[1453.74 --> 1459.58] this laptop does everything sort of we've got me holding up laptops we've got some people sitting

[806.54 --> 812.22] and now it's like whoa whoa whoa now hold hold on just a gosh darn minute whether you have a pc or

[812.22 --> 818.70] whether you have a console yeah if you want a game on a monitor or on a tv if you want all of those

[818.70 --> 825.98] things and the ability to interconnect all of them free sync is the only solution on the market today

[827.66 --> 833.10] it's probably going to stay that way and a lot of people are assuming that the only reason that nvidia

[833.10 --> 838.46] would not adopt the industry standard solution is in order to make more money on their licensing

[838.46 --> 846.78] but i'm kind of looking at this going like hold on a minute if there wasn't more to it than that

[847.42 --> 853.34] why would nvidia pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 for these modules

[854.78 --> 862.62] why would they why would they hurt the competitiveness of g-sync monitors available on the market

[862.62 --> 869.42] if they didn't have to and then you go you go back again and you go now okay well hold on a second

[869.42 --> 879.82] here g-sync on notebooks doesn't have this fpga so they found a way to do it with the embedded display

[879.82 --> 887.50] port connection but not with the standard you know i think we haven't really done a guest in a long time

[887.50 --> 897.02] i think this news merits asking tom peterson from nvidia to come on the show and explain why

[897.66 --> 905.82] the actual ball sack they would spend all this money and lock variable refresh rate down to this

[906.46 --> 907.82] proprietary solution

[910.30 --> 917.26] if there isn't a compelling of their own products yeah because because imagine imagine that

[917.26 --> 927.26] your nvidia talking to lg or tcl or samsung you're talking to a major like panel and television

[927.26 --> 936.22] manufacturer and you're going have i got a deal for you we're gonna have you take your existing scaler

[936.94 --> 943.90] i know it's cheap but you know you're gonna throw that away okay you're gonna take our scaler which

[943.90 --> 949.42] doesn't have all these fancy component inputs that people might need for their legacy devices

[949.98 --> 959.34] it doesn't take six hdmis in it's pretty basic we want you to spend 500 on it sound good

[960.62 --> 965.50] why would they do that if they don't have to and then why would they go and put a bunch of ram on it

[965.50 --> 973.58] if they don't have to is there okay so i've used freesync and aside from some of the

[973.58 --> 978.86] the limitations of the early monitors where the freesync range was not very helpful like it didn't

[978.86 --> 986.62] go down low enough i don't personally notice a huge difference like is this the kind of thing where i

[986.62 --> 990.86] have to pull out a phantom camera in order to see the the difference in the way the monitors are

[990.86 --> 996.14] refreshing is that something we should do we should we should talk to tom though okay if that's something

[996.14 --> 1004.86] we should do then sure but we could get what we should do from him okay all right all right i think

[1004.86 --> 1014.22] giving tom a chance i'm gonna email him right now uh no no i'm emailing him right now can you guys

[1014.22 --> 1021.82] come on our show and explain g-sync this is all in the subject line got a lot of our viewers i mean

[1021.82 --> 1026.38] really this is me asking you guys don't seem that concerned got a lot of our viewers wondering

[1027.50 --> 1035.26] why it needs needs uh two thousand dollar fpga and three gigs of ram he's legitimately doing this

[1035.26 --> 1042.94] right now linus you know let's throw chat seems to be asking for it right now thanks linus um okay

[1042.94 --> 1049.58] linus yeah formal yeah you know what i'll throw in the thanks every once in a while i'll throw in the

[1049.58 --> 1054.46] thanks it was still basically a one-liner yeah but it's got a thanks you know tom tom's tom's

[1054.46 --> 1059.50] i respect tom a lot by the way tom's great super cool so is the other person including the email

[1059.50 --> 1065.34] yeah yeah so if anyone can explain this to me i think our pr contact gets upset when i go straight

[1065.34 --> 1070.62] to tom because tom is not technically pr or marketing or anything he's not technically like

[1070.62 --> 1074.62] an outward facing position he's really good at it yeah he's like awesome yeah so it's you know i

[1074.62 --> 1081.02] i really want to talk to tom about it because he can put something like we are spending 500

[1081.58 --> 1087.02] for lols into a perspective that might make sense yeah because if there's anything i know about nvidia

[1087.02 --> 1089.18] it's that they don't spend money unnecessarily

[1093.26 --> 1099.50] all right let's jump into our next topic here uh this was posted by rubber puppy on the forum

[1099.50 --> 1105.90] rubber and i'd like to open this with a statement from the current coo of floatplane media

[1107.02 --> 1117.26] does floatplane media now or intend in the future to alter or um disfigure in any way the thumbnail

[1117.26 --> 1125.18] that a creator would upload to the platform for their viewers no uh not only does that seem uh

[1125.18 --> 1131.18] uh i'm trying to be pr happy right here not only does that seem stupid just drop the pr happiness

[1131.18 --> 1137.90] uh that's not pr but that that literally just sounds like unnecessary work and we have a lot of other

[1137.90 --> 1147.66] stuff to do so let's just let's jump over to my screen not only do i not get the point but it sounds like a

[1147.66 --> 1155.10] bunch of work here's the post from rail a large song garacia oh wow i'm not even

[1155.10 --> 1161.50] you know forget forget that i ever tried um hello team youtube i would like to know why are

[1161.50 --> 1168.06] not the thumbnails of the videos on my channel what happens is that all my videos had thumbnails and now

[1168.06 --> 1178.14] they are no longer seen what a tremendous tremendous concern to have um this is good so to youtube's credit

[1178.14 --> 1184.62] now going back to going back to being appreciative of youtube for a minute here to youtube's credit they replied

[1184.62 --> 1189.66] yeah thank you team youtube that's actually surprising good job i'm not a super huge fan of

[1189.66 --> 1196.06] their reply we are running a small experiment where 0.3 percent of viewers will see an auto-generated

[1196.06 --> 1202.86] thumbnail instead of your custom thumbnail okay we're not removing the ability to create your custom

[1202.86 --> 1209.66] thumbnail we're just not going to show it to some people we're doing this to gain insight on auto-generated

[1209.66 --> 1216.70] thumbnails for the future something to consider too is 0.3 sounds automatically like oh absolutely

[1216.70 --> 1222.94] tiny amount of people but it's freaking youtube so 0.3 is actually i have no idea but i'm assuming in the

[1222.94 --> 1229.58] millions of people this is actually a lot of people it's not a lot in comparison to the entire whole of

[1229.58 --> 1232.30] people that use youtube but it's a lot of people

[1236.46 --> 1242.62] there's someone with like a research degree that's going after them super ham for for not doing this

[1242.62 --> 1247.74] properly there's the comments on this twitter thread are are glorious i heard back from nvidia already

[1247.74 --> 1252.54] they're saying it doesn't cost two thousand dollars so that's good we've we've confirmed now that they

[1252.54 --> 1259.34] are indeed getting a volume discount which we assumed before um but uh i don't have any information

[1259.34 --> 1265.66] other than that yeah we we knew that so i'm just i just i've replied uh saying well okay yes but uh

[1265.66 --> 1271.34] we like we still want to know yeah so just come talk to us about g-sync dude yeah they don't even

[1271.34 --> 1276.14] necessarily have to be that they should be happy anytime tom gets in front of people they like love

[1276.14 --> 1280.78] nvidia more so they shouldn't yeah they shouldn't be afraid to put just come come flex your tech and we

[1280.78 --> 1284.70] can that can be like part of it but we can talk about more things all right so there's so there's

[1284.70 --> 1291.82] a couple things here number one i personally am of the mind that 0.3 percent is not that big of a

[1291.82 --> 1296.70] deal even in the context of a channel that gets two million views a day which is where we're kind

[1296.70 --> 1300.70] of sitting these days we're a little low right now so hold on per channel yeah but i mean users

[1300.70 --> 1308.06] two million times point and that's not i don't i don't actually think views is the right way to do it

[1308.06 --> 1313.66] okay they could be whale users but if it's no no no not a random distribution not even that because

[1313.66 --> 1318.22] you're looking at people who it's going to come down to a choice decision and with how youtube's

[1318.22 --> 1321.58] algorithm works right now if they don't click on your video it might not come back

[1322.86 --> 1328.38] so you could be getting cut 0.3 of your users okay because now they're not clicking on it because

[1328.38 --> 1333.90] it looks weird so the impact could be could be hurt yeah okay so that would be 60 000 views a day

[1333.90 --> 1339.02] it could potentially hit us for assuming that it's just a one-time a one-time thing which is

[1339.02 --> 1345.58] honestly not the end of the world but 60 000 people a day that might not see your video in sub boxes anymore

[1346.54 --> 1354.78] i'm over it but i have deeper concerns i have other concerns my other concerns are to do with

[1355.90 --> 1362.70] why are they doing research into auto-generated thumbnails if there isn't some kind of purpose to

[1362.70 --> 1369.02] the experiment and the only purpose that i can think of to an experiment that goes hey what would

[1369.02 --> 1374.46] happen if we just used auto-generated thumbnails instead of user-created thumbnails is that they

[1374.46 --> 1380.94] are considering using them yeah that's the only reason to run this experiment that makes sense to my

[1380.94 --> 1387.10] non-ai algorithmic brain and so question for you i'm gonna almost flip sides a little bit here yeah

[1388.14 --> 1392.54] would that be that bad right now we have clickbait cancer all of our thumbnails i'm leaving that

[1392.54 --> 1397.26] up to the audience so i've actually brought up our dashboard here and i'm gonna screen share with

[1397.26 --> 1404.22] you guys let's go ahead and pop up my screen here all right so this video right here went up today

[1405.42 --> 1410.70] high school for gamers uh actually this is not our original thumbnail design for it it originally had me

[1410.70 --> 1416.06] holding up a legitimate e-sports textbook which was hilarious by the way look e-sports textbook amazing

[1416.86 --> 1420.78] so we've got a few different options here we've got to actually do you want to do you want a straw

[1420.78 --> 1425.58] pull create a straw pull and we just need a couple options do you prefer our custom one or do you

[1425.58 --> 1431.90] prefer one of the auto-generated thumbnails so this is high school for gamers we've got me standing

[1431.90 --> 1436.94] holding a book in front of a plant we've got me standing in sort of a dark room it's hard to see my

[1436.94 --> 1441.82] face and then we've got me standing outside of a building and then we've got sort of bigger me with

[1441.82 --> 1446.38] people gaming behind me okay so there's example number one we're gonna we're gonna do a few we're

[1446.38 --> 1449.90] gonna do a few here uh here let's try this one

[1453.74 --> 1459.58] this laptop does everything sort of we've got me holding up laptops we've got some people sitting