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[589.36 --> 595.68] so apparently everything was in its stock form so i'm going to assume he
[595.68 --> 600.66] um never even opened it before what
[600.66 --> 610.12] what are you talking about okay he said i was just doing some web browsing wasn't even doing
[610.12 --> 613.52] anything else at the time so he probably wasn't folding he probably wasn't playing a game in the
[613.52 --> 621.88] background whatever everything in its stock form never even opened it before um is it a pre-built
[621.88 --> 627.14] are there even pre-built that have 2080 ti's in them right now
[627.14 --> 632.96] well i'm sure you could get something from like main gear origin any of those guys
[632.96 --> 635.98] what does chat think
[635.98 --> 646.74] the card itself i think opened it but it's kind of like he never opened it up but like yes
[646.74 --> 650.56] it's a weird thing to say
[650.56 --> 656.88] segue segue speaking of weird things
[656.88 --> 663.54] or things that also are smoldering in fire there's a new agreement between amazon and apple
[663.54 --> 669.20] where shoppers will soon see a selection of the latest apple products on amazon.com
[669.20 --> 676.78] now correct me if i'm wrong but historically you can only buy iphones from apple like apple.com or apple
[676.78 --> 706.76] or uh apple like or like if you're gonna go to like t-mobile kiosk style stores so so yeah okay that's an interesting one yeah if you go to a cell phone like a cellular provider yeah you might have it but best buys would have like apple sections of their stores right there would usually be an apple representative there even though you could be helped by for online sales was it always just apple.com okay uh honestly not enough of a mac fanboy to care so i never knew pretty sure
[706.76 --> 712.88] uh but yeah as far as i know anyway you'll be able to buy them now on amazon and this has some serious implications
[712.88 --> 716.50] that's pretty huge especially for the resale for like the refurbished ones
[716.50 --> 733.44] so okay let's just go through this here currently many apple products are only available on amazon through third-party resellers and their prices and conditions vary wildly and that's not apple's way sorry someone someone in the thing is like he paid for he paid for special effects and he got them they're talking about the graphics card
[733.44 --> 740.20] so it's like that that is the best version of rtx you could ever ask for the lighting off of that fire was probably perfect
[740.20 --> 746.10] oh yeah the reflections on the tempered glass yeah they were hyper real you could feel it the heat
[746.10 --> 751.82] yeah yeah sorry sorry keep going apple likes to control all the products right that's why they have authorized resellers and everything
[751.82 --> 762.10] they don't want you to go on ebay and buy a random like the conditions that are they don't want you buying them from other people they don't want you repairing them etc etc they want to control the pipeline
[762.10 --> 770.12] as much as possible so now uh currently today there are resellers there's all sorts of people on the amazon marketplace that are selling
[770.12 --> 780.46] different apple products in various conditions but that will not be the case going forward because the deal will limit resellers of apple and beats products to those authorized by apple
[780.46 --> 788.36] independent sellers of apple products will have their their listings that may be online right now removed after january 4th 2019
[788.36 --> 797.12] that's pretty soon yeah that's potentially ripping an entire business that could be your livelihood oh yeah 100 and it is for lots and lots of different sellers
[797.12 --> 802.34] um they were all emailed they got an email from um amazon saying that this was the case and the only
[802.34 --> 808.38] the only recourse they have is that well you can apply to apple to become one of their verified resellers
[808.38 --> 812.60] like that's gonna happen yeah no no maybe for a very small minority
[812.60 --> 818.02] um so the reason that this is weird though is because there's something in the u.s that's called
[818.02 --> 822.92] first sale doctrine so the united states supreme court has ruled that people who legally own a product
[822.92 --> 829.66] may legally resell it and federal law protects the right that right under something known as a first sale
[829.66 --> 835.62] doctrine and in quotes from that doctrine is an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted
[835.62 --> 841.44] work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell display or otherwise dispose of that particular
[841.44 --> 845.76] individual copy i don't think that has anything to do with this though it does though because listen
[845.76 --> 854.20] okay so apple can't control that you know um they can't just have their normal authorized resellers
[854.20 --> 858.58] they can't control the secondary market because once you own the thing yourself you can sell it as you want
[858.58 --> 866.00] but if one of the biggest resell markets in the world is amazon.com and if apple enters an agreement
[866.00 --> 871.36] with amazon whereby all the apple products sold on amazon have to adhere to the deal that
[871.36 --> 877.82] they strike thereby they can circumvent absolutely this technically i believe that's legal what would
[877.82 --> 882.36] have to happen here as far as i know is it would have to be shown that amazon is effectively a monopoly
[882.36 --> 888.74] of online sales for them to uh for the law to be able to cover that because right now it's an
[888.74 --> 893.58] individual company being like we don't want to use those people that's completely fine you can decide
[893.58 --> 897.36] that people aren't allowed to sell through your platform that's they're allowed to do that
[897.36 --> 902.76] now okay i'm not saying i necessarily agree with any of this stuff or disagree with it i'm just
[902.76 --> 907.82] saying right now that law won't really affect us because an individual is still completely allowed
[907.82 --> 912.80] to sell that thing just they just won't be able to do that on amazon yeah and amazon does what's the
[912.80 --> 917.88] percentage of online sales that's amazon probably like 70 or something in the for the u.s yeah it's like
[917.88 --> 924.42] over 10 percent of of retail in general i think at this point wow but it's it's huge um this does apply
[924.42 --> 933.10] though to their global um all the the global reach of amazon so that's france germany uk u.s italy spain
[933.10 --> 941.48] japan and india and i don't see canada on that list interestingly um the other thing that's weird
[941.48 --> 947.02] is or i guess expected is that home pod is not going to be sold on amazon because there's a competitor
[947.02 --> 952.60] yeah because they don't because they have the amazon echo they also don't sell the google uh google home
[952.60 --> 959.44] yeah um and so i guess there was another spat that i didn't know about um between apple and amazon
[959.44 --> 969.22] where tv yeah so until last year um you couldn't get apple tv on amazon and so because apple wanted
[969.22 --> 977.22] amazon to sell the tv but in turn amazon wanted the app for amazon prime video to appear on the apple tv
[977.22 --> 983.50] and then apple didn't want that so they so the apple tv was for sale on amazon but then it got pulled
[983.50 --> 990.36] um because bezos said that his reasoning was like if you're buying an apple tv on amazon
[990.36 --> 996.14] the customer it's reasonable for a customer to expect that amazon's properties amazon's video is
[996.14 --> 1000.12] going to be included on this product that you bought from amazon and when that's not happening
[1000.12 --> 1004.88] the user could be disappointed i'm not sure if i totally buy that argument but it's reasonable
[1004.88 --> 1012.58] that was the rationale there um they got past that though so then today you can buy apple tvs on amazon
[1012.58 --> 1019.14] and amazon prime video is on them similar to the spat that they had between um having youtube on amazon
[1019.14 --> 1025.20] was on echoes on the echo show having youtube on the echo show that was the thing between amazon and
[1025.20 --> 1033.02] google someone in chat is saying that rule 12 whatever that means uh of u.s trade law so i guess
[1033.02 --> 1037.74] that's what that means also prevents contracts from limiting third party sale as well that sounds
[1037.74 --> 1042.18] extremely vague and not all-inclusive and i'm sure there's more to that law and i'm sure there's other
[1042.18 --> 1048.80] laws that deal with that law we don't know all of american law no we don't but presumably this deal was
[1048.80 --> 1053.52] made by lawyers yeah on both sides of it probably know what's going on they probably know what that chat
[1053.52 --> 1060.02] guy knows yeah and it appears to be going through yeah i wonder with your point about them being a
[1060.02 --> 1065.60] monopoly i wonder if it's relative to online like they're a monopoly online or is it just broadly
[1065.60 --> 1073.62] in in general uh monopoly law has not been used as much as it used to be used uh it used to be a lot
[1073.62 --> 1080.80] more active in terms of crushing monopolies and stopping monopolies from happening but um for quite a few
[1080.80 --> 1086.50] years now they've been pretty passive about that stuff so not only am i not sure but i don't
[1086.50 --> 1092.38] necessarily know that they would step in anyways and then there's another layer of of uh analysis or
[1092.38 --> 1098.10] whatever where it's like are they a monopoly of specifically selling apple products well i guess
[1098.10 --> 1102.54] that's not even a consideration because apple has a monopoly on selling apple products is every
[1102.54 --> 1109.00] individual business so this actually increases the competition there i wonder also if they're getting a
[1109.00 --> 1116.52] bigger if apple pays less to amazon for each sale than other products they're like look
[1116.52 --> 1120.74] because normally they're getting it directly right they don't have to pay out any middleman at all
[1121.42 --> 1128.56] interesting i don't know i'm sure there's special deals going on i just don't i've i can't imagine
[1128.56 --> 1135.20] what they necessarily are whether it's like you're you're saving on logistics or like maybe all the
[1135.20 --> 1141.78] shipping and handling is going to be handled by apple instead of amazon i would imagine that they're
[1141.78 --> 1148.66] going to have uh fulfillment advantages when it launches you being able to get it in one day
[1148.66 --> 1154.10] rather than you know i pre-ordered it i'm getting mine first but i have to wait until they all reach me
[1154.10 --> 1158.88] amazon's really good at getting things too fast so there'll be some synergies for sure
[1158.88 --> 1166.78] yeah uh people are bringing up law stuff we we are not claiming to know law stuff um someone's
[1166.78 --> 1172.32] saying they're not a monopoly because they're in the international market yeah i have no idea um
[1172.32 --> 1177.66] sounds good though i guess this will be something that we watch unfold over the next little while
[1177.66 --> 1186.00] uh we'll see what happens when i guess on january 4th it'll be interesting yeah that's when the
[1186.00 --> 1192.26] other ones get pulled for sure another interesting thing rumor time valve working on half-life 2
[1192.26 --> 1199.08] prequel for vr half-life vr yeah uh it's been vr has been interesting for a little while now because
[1199.08 --> 1204.48] um i used to i used to make videos every once in a while i think i made two in total talking about how
[1204.48 --> 1212.24] vr is like kind of dying a little bit at least in terms of its its current hype not in terms of uh vr is
[1212.24 --> 1216.24] like dying with a killing blow i mean they're dying in terms of they're going down it's like
[1216.24 --> 1221.76] cryptocurrency hated me for that it's like it's the future but just stop talking about because it's
[1221.76 --> 1227.90] like it's the future you're right now yeah you're in 1992 yeah yeah yeah uh so and people hated me for
[1227.90 --> 1233.98] that pretty hardcore both times um and i was like guys i'm right and it's still yeah but you have
[1233.98 --> 1238.82] influence so you're like it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy it was bad it was i was a bad person for
[1238.82 --> 1246.18] doing that but um one thing that i held on at that time and i still hold on now is there are

[589.36 --> 595.68] so apparently everything was in its stock form so i'm going to assume he

[595.68 --> 600.66] um never even opened it before what

[600.66 --> 610.12] what are you talking about okay he said i was just doing some web browsing wasn't even doing

[610.12 --> 613.52] anything else at the time so he probably wasn't folding he probably wasn't playing a game in the

[613.52 --> 621.88] background whatever everything in its stock form never even opened it before um is it a pre-built

[621.88 --> 627.14] are there even pre-built that have 2080 ti's in them right now

[627.14 --> 632.96] well i'm sure you could get something from like main gear origin any of those guys

[632.96 --> 635.98] what does chat think

[635.98 --> 646.74] the card itself i think opened it but it's kind of like he never opened it up but like yes

[646.74 --> 650.56] it's a weird thing to say

[650.56 --> 656.88] segue segue speaking of weird things

[656.88 --> 663.54] or things that also are smoldering in fire there's a new agreement between amazon and apple

[663.54 --> 669.20] where shoppers will soon see a selection of the latest apple products on amazon.com

[669.20 --> 676.78] now correct me if i'm wrong but historically you can only buy iphones from apple like apple.com or apple

[676.78 --> 706.76] or uh apple like or like if you're gonna go to like t-mobile kiosk style stores so so yeah okay that's an interesting one yeah if you go to a cell phone like a cellular provider yeah you might have it but best buys would have like apple sections of their stores right there would usually be an apple representative there even though you could be helped by for online sales was it always just apple.com okay uh honestly not enough of a mac fanboy to care so i never knew pretty sure

[706.76 --> 712.88] uh but yeah as far as i know anyway you'll be able to buy them now on amazon and this has some serious implications

[712.88 --> 716.50] that's pretty huge especially for the resale for like the refurbished ones

[716.50 --> 733.44] so okay let's just go through this here currently many apple products are only available on amazon through third-party resellers and their prices and conditions vary wildly and that's not apple's way sorry someone someone in the thing is like he paid for he paid for special effects and he got them they're talking about the graphics card

[733.44 --> 740.20] so it's like that that is the best version of rtx you could ever ask for the lighting off of that fire was probably perfect

[740.20 --> 746.10] oh yeah the reflections on the tempered glass yeah they were hyper real you could feel it the heat

[746.10 --> 751.82] yeah yeah sorry sorry keep going apple likes to control all the products right that's why they have authorized resellers and everything

[751.82 --> 762.10] they don't want you to go on ebay and buy a random like the conditions that are they don't want you buying them from other people they don't want you repairing them etc etc they want to control the pipeline

[762.10 --> 770.12] as much as possible so now uh currently today there are resellers there's all sorts of people on the amazon marketplace that are selling

[770.12 --> 780.46] different apple products in various conditions but that will not be the case going forward because the deal will limit resellers of apple and beats products to those authorized by apple

[780.46 --> 788.36] independent sellers of apple products will have their their listings that may be online right now removed after january 4th 2019

[788.36 --> 797.12] that's pretty soon yeah that's potentially ripping an entire business that could be your livelihood oh yeah 100 and it is for lots and lots of different sellers

[797.12 --> 802.34] um they were all emailed they got an email from um amazon saying that this was the case and the only

[802.34 --> 808.38] the only recourse they have is that well you can apply to apple to become one of their verified resellers

[808.38 --> 812.60] like that's gonna happen yeah no no maybe for a very small minority

[812.60 --> 818.02] um so the reason that this is weird though is because there's something in the u.s that's called

[818.02 --> 822.92] first sale doctrine so the united states supreme court has ruled that people who legally own a product

[822.92 --> 829.66] may legally resell it and federal law protects the right that right under something known as a first sale

[829.66 --> 835.62] doctrine and in quotes from that doctrine is an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted

[835.62 --> 841.44] work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell display or otherwise dispose of that particular

[841.44 --> 845.76] individual copy i don't think that has anything to do with this though it does though because listen

[845.76 --> 854.20] okay so apple can't control that you know um they can't just have their normal authorized resellers

[854.20 --> 858.58] they can't control the secondary market because once you own the thing yourself you can sell it as you want

[858.58 --> 866.00] but if one of the biggest resell markets in the world is amazon.com and if apple enters an agreement

[866.00 --> 871.36] with amazon whereby all the apple products sold on amazon have to adhere to the deal that

[871.36 --> 877.82] they strike thereby they can circumvent absolutely this technically i believe that's legal what would

[877.82 --> 882.36] have to happen here as far as i know is it would have to be shown that amazon is effectively a monopoly

[882.36 --> 888.74] of online sales for them to uh for the law to be able to cover that because right now it's an

[888.74 --> 893.58] individual company being like we don't want to use those people that's completely fine you can decide

[893.58 --> 897.36] that people aren't allowed to sell through your platform that's they're allowed to do that

[897.36 --> 902.76] now okay i'm not saying i necessarily agree with any of this stuff or disagree with it i'm just

[902.76 --> 907.82] saying right now that law won't really affect us because an individual is still completely allowed

[907.82 --> 912.80] to sell that thing just they just won't be able to do that on amazon yeah and amazon does what's the

[912.80 --> 917.88] percentage of online sales that's amazon probably like 70 or something in the for the u.s yeah it's like

[917.88 --> 924.42] over 10 percent of of retail in general i think at this point wow but it's it's huge um this does apply

[924.42 --> 933.10] though to their global um all the the global reach of amazon so that's france germany uk u.s italy spain

[933.10 --> 941.48] japan and india and i don't see canada on that list interestingly um the other thing that's weird

[941.48 --> 947.02] is or i guess expected is that home pod is not going to be sold on amazon because there's a competitor

[947.02 --> 952.60] yeah because they don't because they have the amazon echo they also don't sell the google uh google home

[952.60 --> 959.44] yeah um and so i guess there was another spat that i didn't know about um between apple and amazon

[959.44 --> 969.22] where tv yeah so until last year um you couldn't get apple tv on amazon and so because apple wanted

[969.22 --> 977.22] amazon to sell the tv but in turn amazon wanted the app for amazon prime video to appear on the apple tv

[977.22 --> 983.50] and then apple didn't want that so they so the apple tv was for sale on amazon but then it got pulled

[983.50 --> 990.36] um because bezos said that his reasoning was like if you're buying an apple tv on amazon

[990.36 --> 996.14] the customer it's reasonable for a customer to expect that amazon's properties amazon's video is

[996.14 --> 1000.12] going to be included on this product that you bought from amazon and when that's not happening

[1000.12 --> 1004.88] the user could be disappointed i'm not sure if i totally buy that argument but it's reasonable

[1004.88 --> 1012.58] that was the rationale there um they got past that though so then today you can buy apple tvs on amazon

[1012.58 --> 1019.14] and amazon prime video is on them similar to the spat that they had between um having youtube on amazon

[1019.14 --> 1025.20] was on echoes on the echo show having youtube on the echo show that was the thing between amazon and

[1025.20 --> 1033.02] google someone in chat is saying that rule 12 whatever that means uh of u.s trade law so i guess

[1033.02 --> 1037.74] that's what that means also prevents contracts from limiting third party sale as well that sounds

[1037.74 --> 1042.18] extremely vague and not all-inclusive and i'm sure there's more to that law and i'm sure there's other

[1042.18 --> 1048.80] laws that deal with that law we don't know all of american law no we don't but presumably this deal was

[1048.80 --> 1053.52] made by lawyers yeah on both sides of it probably know what's going on they probably know what that chat

[1053.52 --> 1060.02] guy knows yeah and it appears to be going through yeah i wonder with your point about them being a

[1060.02 --> 1065.60] monopoly i wonder if it's relative to online like they're a monopoly online or is it just broadly

[1065.60 --> 1073.62] in in general uh monopoly law has not been used as much as it used to be used uh it used to be a lot

[1073.62 --> 1080.80] more active in terms of crushing monopolies and stopping monopolies from happening but um for quite a few

[1080.80 --> 1086.50] years now they've been pretty passive about that stuff so not only am i not sure but i don't

[1086.50 --> 1092.38] necessarily know that they would step in anyways and then there's another layer of of uh analysis or

[1092.38 --> 1098.10] whatever where it's like are they a monopoly of specifically selling apple products well i guess

[1098.10 --> 1102.54] that's not even a consideration because apple has a monopoly on selling apple products is every

[1102.54 --> 1109.00] individual business so this actually increases the competition there i wonder also if they're getting a

[1109.00 --> 1116.52] bigger if apple pays less to amazon for each sale than other products they're like look

[1116.52 --> 1120.74] because normally they're getting it directly right they don't have to pay out any middleman at all

[1121.42 --> 1128.56] interesting i don't know i'm sure there's special deals going on i just don't i've i can't imagine

[1128.56 --> 1135.20] what they necessarily are whether it's like you're you're saving on logistics or like maybe all the

[1135.20 --> 1141.78] shipping and handling is going to be handled by apple instead of amazon i would imagine that they're

[1141.78 --> 1148.66] going to have uh fulfillment advantages when it launches you being able to get it in one day

[1148.66 --> 1154.10] rather than you know i pre-ordered it i'm getting mine first but i have to wait until they all reach me

[1154.10 --> 1158.88] amazon's really good at getting things too fast so there'll be some synergies for sure

[1158.88 --> 1166.78] yeah uh people are bringing up law stuff we we are not claiming to know law stuff um someone's

[1166.78 --> 1172.32] saying they're not a monopoly because they're in the international market yeah i have no idea um

[1172.32 --> 1177.66] sounds good though i guess this will be something that we watch unfold over the next little while

[1177.66 --> 1186.00] uh we'll see what happens when i guess on january 4th it'll be interesting yeah that's when the

[1186.00 --> 1192.26] other ones get pulled for sure another interesting thing rumor time valve working on half-life 2

[1192.26 --> 1199.08] prequel for vr half-life vr yeah uh it's been vr has been interesting for a little while now because

[1199.08 --> 1204.48] um i used to i used to make videos every once in a while i think i made two in total talking about how

[1204.48 --> 1212.24] vr is like kind of dying a little bit at least in terms of its its current hype not in terms of uh vr is

[1212.24 --> 1216.24] like dying with a killing blow i mean they're dying in terms of they're going down it's like

[1216.24 --> 1221.76] cryptocurrency hated me for that it's like it's the future but just stop talking about because it's

[1221.76 --> 1227.90] like it's the future you're right now yeah you're in 1992 yeah yeah yeah uh so and people hated me for

[1227.90 --> 1233.98] that pretty hardcore both times um and i was like guys i'm right and it's still yeah but you have

[1233.98 --> 1238.82] influence so you're like it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy it was bad it was i was a bad person for

[1238.82 --> 1246.18] doing that but um one thing that i held on at that time and i still hold on now is there are