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[3832.00 --> 3834.00] The previewers are all just Lua functions.
[3834.66 --> 3840.80] So some of them, like if you're previewing buffers, it just literally opens the preview in a NeoVim buffer.
[3840.80 --> 3847.12] So you get exactly the same highlighting as you would if you open the file because it is literally you opening the file.
[3847.84 --> 3853.64] The like ability to sort and how you're sorting those and when you filter them, those are all configurable.
[3853.80 --> 3858.74] The display and UI and different themes, they're all like individually configurable.
[3858.74 --> 3871.64] And what like my goal was, was to make the most configurable like fuzzy finder that I could do with an easy API to basically plug in whatever you can imagine that you wanted to sort on and then use it.
[3872.18 --> 3877.72] So all my to do list was to yank Nick's FZF NeoVim setup and use it for myself.
[3877.84 --> 3879.12] Should I just bypass that?
[3879.22 --> 3880.50] Is Telescope ready for me?
[3880.68 --> 3883.24] Should I just use it right away or is it still baking?
[3883.66 --> 3883.88] Yeah.
[3883.88 --> 3887.12] So there's a couple of things still baking for sure in Telescope.
[3887.28 --> 3891.86] I mean, FZF is just like a rock solid piece of software that's super cool.
[3892.50 --> 3898.80] If you're doing things that might be searching millions of files, for example, you should stick with FZF.
[3899.02 --> 3904.04] Go is going to be a better solution for you than what I can do in Lua, at least today.
[3904.22 --> 3904.52] We'll see.
[3904.62 --> 3905.86] Maybe someday it'll be different.
[3905.86 --> 3914.96] We are nearing completion of merging a very important PR that will greatly improve performance for really, really large searches.
[3915.32 --> 3920.40] Like 500,000 items will still feel fast and not really block the editor.
[3921.08 --> 3923.02] So it's up to you.
[3923.20 --> 3928.76] I would say if your primary concern is speed, then you should probably stick with FZF at least for a while.
[3928.76 --> 3936.04] Maybe you can talk to me again in a year and maybe I feel I'm close enough to FZF speed to say that we're there.
[3936.16 --> 3943.32] We're working on some projects like in C to compile as optional dependencies that you can throw in here and work super fast and cool.
[3943.80 --> 3945.18] But we're not there yet.
[3945.26 --> 3945.94] And that's cool.
[3946.12 --> 3947.12] Like I said, I like FZF.
[3947.24 --> 3948.54] But I use it every day.
[3948.64 --> 3950.76] I no longer use FZF inside of NeoVim.
[3950.96 --> 3955.26] I have lots of friends who no longer use it inside of NeoVim or other fuzzy finders.
[3955.32 --> 3956.60] They just use Telescope.
[3956.60 --> 3958.92] So I would say it's ready for daily use.
[3959.70 --> 3968.72] But, you know, if you're going to be searching 10 million things or something like that, then running something inside of the program that you're doing is probably not a good call.
[3968.82 --> 3974.02] You should use an external executable that's going to manage that memory maybe a little bit tighter.
[3974.32 --> 3975.06] I have an answer for you.
[3975.34 --> 3975.82] Why not both?
[3975.90 --> 3976.66] Why not both?
[3976.80 --> 3976.98] Yeah.
[3977.50 --> 3984.00] I have recommended that for some use cases for people, like if they're trying to grep every line in their very large mono repo,
[3984.00 --> 3987.60] there's no reason not to keep FZF around, at least for a while.
[3988.26 --> 3992.06] For me, like I have a hard time if the UI like isn't as consistent.
[3992.38 --> 3996.28] It's just sometimes like, oh, I'll like notice that or like, oh, it's not the same as what I'm used to.
[3996.46 --> 3996.48] Yeah.
[3996.62 --> 3998.78] So for some people that really bothers them.
[3998.82 --> 4000.52] And I understand that's totally cool.
[4000.52 --> 4002.22] And they say they're going to stick with FZF.
[4002.26 --> 4003.06] And I say, awesome.
[4003.54 --> 4004.18] That's great.
[4004.18 --> 4010.16] That is one thing that I think Telescope really has going for it is it just has a really beautiful UI.
[4010.38 --> 4010.66] Thanks.
[4010.66 --> 4012.82] That does help, doesn't it?
[4013.22 --> 4013.40] Yeah.
[4013.48 --> 4022.66] And I mean, it is very interesting when you actually start using it and you notice that you get exactly the same colors as what the rest of your editor is.
[4022.74 --> 4023.94] I don't have that with FZF.
[4024.28 --> 4024.56] Yes.
[4024.56 --> 4032.46] It is not possible as far as I understand, because like, for example, when you open up a buffer inside of NeoVim and if you have TreeSitter,
[4032.64 --> 4038.22] it will literally TreeSitter highlight the same way with the same exact colors because it is just another buffer.
[4038.22 --> 4043.06] It would be like if you did colon edit this file, it will show it like that in the preview.
[4043.38 --> 4043.96] Very cool.
[4044.14 --> 4051.72] So one thing I want to touch on maybe as a closer is I mentioned the enthusiasm around the 0.5 release.
[4051.82 --> 4054.96] I mentioned how many people said win NeoVim on the changelog.
[4055.46 --> 4058.64] There's a lot of people very excited about this project.
[4059.16 --> 4062.10] They love the ability to write plugins in Lua.
[4062.10 --> 4066.60] They like the new capabilities that TreeSitter is making available to them.
[4067.68 --> 4069.32] Maybe speak to the community a little bit.
[4069.42 --> 4071.52] I know you lead some live streams.
[4071.82 --> 4073.78] There's a lot of like fun being had.
[4074.02 --> 4077.18] There were celebrations around the big release.
[4077.60 --> 4082.52] And then maybe give waypoints for people who would love to get involved with NeoVim, the community.
[4082.72 --> 4084.70] Like where does they gather, et cetera?
[4084.70 --> 4091.66] Yeah, so we did a 0.5 release stream on Twitch on my live stream channel.
[4091.82 --> 4096.98] And it was like the excitement and enthusiasm was really mind blowing for me.
[4097.38 --> 4099.42] You know, I've been working on NeoVim for a long time.
[4099.82 --> 4103.76] And sometimes you're sort of like just working and you're pushing stuff to GitHub.
[4104.20 --> 4105.70] And like, okay, cool.
[4105.78 --> 4107.70] Like somebody's using it, I'm pretty sure.
[4107.70 --> 4112.92] But we had like 500 people there live to do the like release drop on my stream.
[4113.00 --> 4115.04] And it was like really crazy for me.
[4115.10 --> 4116.78] And people were showing a lot of support.
[4116.94 --> 4118.34] And so it's very exciting.
[4118.54 --> 4121.58] Even, you know, just getting messages from people saying thanks.
[4121.82 --> 4124.62] Just as a general note, if you're using open source software,
[4124.88 --> 4129.80] and especially if it's maintained by people who aren't getting fang,
[4129.92 --> 4132.20] but like salary to do the maintenance,
[4132.40 --> 4135.08] it means a lot when you get a thank you or like,
[4135.08 --> 4136.52] wow, I really like this.
[4136.88 --> 4137.22] Do that.
[4137.22 --> 4142.32] And I mean, I was really pleased to see NeoVim in the top spot for most loved editor
[4142.32 --> 4144.80] in Stack Overflow 2021 survey.
[4145.10 --> 4146.06] A little shout out there.
[4146.98 --> 4148.96] But yeah, I think the community is great.
[4149.02 --> 4152.38] And it's really exciting to see how much people are excited.
[4152.60 --> 4154.30] And I've really appreciated it.
[4154.30 --> 4156.72] And it's been fun sort of being on the receiving end of that.
[4157.00 --> 4160.26] In terms of like, where can people get started and how can they help?
[4160.72 --> 4164.62] First thing is we're on Element or Matrix, I guess.
[4164.72 --> 4165.98] There's a NeoVim chat room there.
[4165.98 --> 4167.82] I believe it's linked from the readme.
[4167.94 --> 4170.06] If it's not, then it should be.
[4170.86 --> 4174.64] And so you can go there or it's on Gitter or it's on IRC.
[4174.64 --> 4177.42] They're all sort of like bridge to be the same place.