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**Mat Ryer:** He regrets nothing, I've got proof. \[laughter\] |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's the best email subject ever. That's awesome. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** So you had all these Bitbar users... I know even big Mac people... I read about -- I think it was Bitbar first... And I already knew you at this time, but I read about it on Jason Snell's website, who is a Mac-based writer and journalist, and has a big following, his writings... How was the reception t... |
**Mat Ryer:** Well, everybody is happy to just switch over, because if you're a user of Bitbar, xbar had feature parity... |
**Jerod Santo:** It's the same thing, plus... |
**Mat Ryer:** There's no reason to not like it, yeah. And the other thing that happened which was very exciting was -- this is just back to when it was Bitbar... Years ago, when I was young, I used to get this Amiga Format magazine, which was a computer magazine, it had floppy disks on the front, and it'd give you free... |
\[40:05\] And then years later -- I don't really bother with magazines, because the internet tells you all the things. And I just randomly bought this magazine one time, and I was just flicking through it... And I just opened up this double-page spread on Bitbar, and it was just like explaining how to use it and how to... |
**Jerod Santo:** Wow. |
**Mat Ryer:** And honestly, that was like a thing. That was like a big deal for me then, that I'd gotten into this magazine. |
**Jerod Santo:** What magazine was it? |
**Mat Ryer:** It was MacFormat then. But it's the same publisher. I don't know if you have that in the U.S. |
**Jerod Santo:** We have MacWorld, \[unintelligible 00:40:38.06\] |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. It's Future Publishing, I think; maybe U.K.-based. |
**Jerod Santo:** That had to be quite a feeling... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, it was. I couldn't believe it. I don't really know how it feels, actually. It's one of those -- you can't really articulate it. |
**Jerod Santo:** Did you frame it? Did you hold on to it? Is it underneath your pillow? What did you do with the artifact? |
**Mat Ryer:** I took a picture of it. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's it? |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah... And then my wife threw it out by mistake. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oooh...! \[laughter |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah... |
**Jerod Santo:** At least you got the picture. |
**Mat Ryer:** I got the picture, yeah. Exactly. That's alright. I'm not very sentimental really, so I don't mind that, but... Just the fact that it was in there kind of blew me away. But to answer your question - yes, xbar comes along and people like it. |
**Jerod Santo:** Awesome. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. I actually got the -- do you know the CEO of GitHub, Nat Friedman? |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, Nat Friedman. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, Nat Friedman got in touch through a friend, and wanted to have a chat... And he just loved it. He loves the project. That's another one of those moments... And he liked -- what he said was like "The taste of the design of those plugins." And it's because of things like -- you know, you have to choos... |
**Jerod Santo:** Validation, yeah. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, I liked that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** I mean, paying attention too to the -- not that this is a little project, but it's not like Kubernetes, or like this gigantic community... It's an indie project, indie dev, with its own motivations... It's not this super-enterprise thing, and he's only paying attention to the big things, so to speak... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, I think that's right. And I think the fact that it enabled developers, which is obviously a big focus at GitHub... But something he mentioned was it's almost like just by making a different decision - which in the beginning just happened by accident, but just that change in the way you think about i... |
**Break:** \[43:46\] |
**Jerod Santo:** So to me the coolest thing about this project is how extensible it is. Two aspects. First of all, there's hundreds of plugins already written to just be used. So if you want something in your menu bar, the likelihood of it being in there is high. Secondly, if it's not, you can just totally hack it toge... |
So we talked a little bit about the plugin architecture, how it all works... I wanted to play a little game I called "Can xbar do this" So I've compiled a list... |
**Mat Ryer:** Does it need a theme tune? |
**Jerod Santo:** Some of these things are existing plugins, so it's part quiz... Does Mat know his plugin directory? And it's also part honest question, "Can it do this? Can I get it to do this?" So I'll hit the list here, Mat. These are kind of yes/no questions, but feel free to elaborate... |
**Mat Ryer:** Okay. |
**Jerod Santo:** ...if yes or no won't cover it. |
**Mat Ryer:** Can we play some dramatic gameshow music in the background, like \[unintelligible 00:46:09.21\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Let me just check the budget... No, we cannot. Sorry. |
**Mat Ryer:** Okay, fair enough. \[laughter\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Alright, can xbar do this? Number one, can it show me the charging status of my BMW? |
**Mat Ryer:** I do believe it can. I think I've seen that one. |
**Jerod Santo:** That would be correct, except for I do not have a BMW, so the answer is actually no. But yes, it can do that. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[laughs\] |
**Jerod Santo:** Can it show me my Robinhood portfolio? |
**Mat Ryer:** Yes, I remember merging a Robinhood plugin. So yeah. I think yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's correct. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, I'm nailing this... Two out of -- |
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