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[1837.76 --> 1838.88] It's a great guy. |
[1838.88 --> 1840.24] So I took a look at Greyhole. |
[1840.34 --> 1841.70] It's actually a pretty interesting project. |
[1842.30 --> 1845.94] And yeah, pooling different bits of storage using Samba. |
[1846.22 --> 1847.28] I mean, that's it. |
[1847.38 --> 1848.50] That's the pitch for the product. |
[1848.92 --> 1855.88] I wonder what you think of this, Alex, compared to just something like MergerFS with a Samba share on top, because ultimately you'd get similar results. |
[1855.88 --> 1869.14] But the difference with Greyhole is it's taking care of the network layer for you and also the sort of the organization via the web UI, if you want, which I know triggers you sometimes, but it does have a web UI, if you want. |
[1869.56 --> 1870.38] I love a good UI. |
[1870.50 --> 1871.22] What are we talking about? |
[1871.34 --> 1871.90] I love that. |
[1872.54 --> 1872.98] Okay. |
[1873.10 --> 1873.38] All right. |
[1873.42 --> 1873.64] Fine. |
[1873.70 --> 1873.96] Fine. |
[1874.26 --> 1875.46] You won't engage, but I know. |
[1875.86 --> 1876.26] I know. |
[1876.96 --> 1884.66] So Greyhole, think of it as a way to pool a bunch of shares across your network into one big share, right? |
[1884.66 --> 1886.58] Is that sort of a fair summary of it? |
[1886.84 --> 1887.42] Yeah, pretty much. |
[1887.56 --> 1891.10] And the underlying shares, it's a bit like GlusterFS in this regard. |
[1891.20 --> 1900.64] So you've got different, effectively, bricks of storage, which you then concatenate together into one megatron of storage. |
[1901.20 --> 1901.30] Yeah. |
[1901.64 --> 1905.54] Nice feature is that you can set redundancy on a per share level. |
[1905.76 --> 1914.36] So you can indicate how many copies of each file you want to keep as well, which, you know, if you've only got one copy of something, you may as well have zero copies of it. |
[1914.36 --> 1922.22] I know this is popular with the audience because we got several emails about it as the recommendation when I put out the question of how are you pooling your storage. |
[1922.88 --> 1927.98] I have to say, overall, it's a solution that feels kind of like an old school approach. |
[1928.04 --> 1930.18] And it has been around forever, so that might be part of it. |
[1930.26 --> 1931.14] But I'll give you an example. |
[1931.34 --> 1938.22] Like, to get it up and going via their docs, you start by curling a shell script and then, you know, pseudo bashing that. |
[1938.22 --> 1942.60] But you can do it manually, but either way, you end up just stalling a ton of stuff on your box. |
[1942.90 --> 1943.66] It really does. |
[1943.72 --> 1945.48] And that's just a thing I don't really enjoy anymore. |
[1946.08 --> 1958.38] And then there's quite a bit of configuration to essentially build up a whole system based on finicky SambaShares, which I, again, totally appreciate and think there is a spot for that. |
[1958.38 --> 1970.78] And I could even see it like if I was in if I was in like a condo with a couple of roommates like I was, you know, 20 years ago, I could definitely see us using each of our PCs in a system like this. |
[1970.90 --> 1972.82] And it working really well for what we want. |
[1973.02 --> 1975.62] But I just don't really see it today. |
[1976.12 --> 1980.06] The way this setup works, Alex, it just doesn't seem doesn't quite seem like it's it. |
[1980.14 --> 1981.66] Like, it's not quite the solution I was looking for. |
[1981.66 --> 1985.10] So when I tried it, I that was my that was my impression. |
[1985.40 --> 1988.76] We also had some feedback coming from Greg, also recommending Greyhole. |
[1989.12 --> 1993.10] And his point was that each drive is a standalone file system. |
[1993.10 --> 1997.90] So losing just one drive doesn't affect the data on the others, which is useful. |
[1998.42 --> 1999.68] But I don't know. |
[1999.78 --> 2007.18] To me, this is I know you asked the audience to send in their opinions, but it feels to me like this is a solution looking for a problem. |
[2007.18 --> 2010.48] And then people have kind of built some reliance on it. |
[2010.48 --> 2012.90] And it's kind of it's a Jeff Goldblum moment. |
[2012.90 --> 2013.12] Right. |
[2013.16 --> 2014.58] Just just because we can. |
[2014.68 --> 2016.60] Your scientists were so obsessed with whether they could. |
[2016.92 --> 2018.88] They didn't stop to think about whether they should. |
[2019.00 --> 2019.24] Right. |
[2019.34 --> 2020.62] And I think that's it. |
[2020.76 --> 2021.94] I think that's my impression of it. |
[2021.96 --> 2024.52] But I do like I do like hearing how it works for people. |
[2024.52 --> 2026.92] And we did get several people that said it works well for them. |
[2026.96 --> 2029.98] And that's kind of awesome because I know Greyhole's been around for a long time. |
[2029.98 --> 2032.04] And I'm glad to see it's still going. |
[2032.34 --> 2034.34] The Web UI does make it simple to get up and going. |
[2034.34 --> 2035.20] You can go in there. |
[2035.26 --> 2039.20] The first thing you do is you add some storage to it and then it lets you get things set up. |
[2039.20 --> 2040.44] And that's nice. |
[2040.62 --> 2041.28] That's good to see it. |
[2041.74 --> 2042.36] But I don't know. |
[2042.44 --> 2045.30] I guess this sounds really dumb when I go to say it out loud. |
[2045.36 --> 2058.88] But you know what I'd really like is I'd love a solution at the ZFS level where there was some kind of service where you could you could dedicate any partition formatted in ZFS or any dedicated to ZFS could become part of some sort of network ZFS pool. |
[2059.54 --> 2061.18] That's where I'd love to see that work get done. |
[2061.18 --> 2062.02] That would be nice. |
[2062.12 --> 2062.26] Yeah. |
[2062.48 --> 2067.10] The tricky part of this I think is you don't know what OS the remote system is running. |
[2067.86 --> 2072.58] And with ZFS in particular licensing is such a touchy subject. |
[2073.22 --> 2083.98] Whether you could actually have ZFS running as some kind of a container on that remote system and then say here's 100 gig virtual disk a bit like Docker Desktop works like. |
[2084.60 --> 2085.72] Maybe that's the way to do it. |
[2085.72 --> 2086.14] All right. |
[2086.20 --> 2093.98] Well, Rob writes in and Rob's been been using quite a few containers recently and been running with like 50 terabytes of content. |
[2094.34 --> 2097.58] And while that's been fine for Rob, he kind of wants to take things to the next level. |
[2097.58 --> 2107.52] And he says, so do you have any advice or resources for folks out there like me who maybe know just enough to be dangerous, but don't actually know how things are working under the hood of Unraid? |
[2107.84 --> 2114.68] Like, do you have a beginner's guide for folks who maybe know just a bit, but not as much as they could or really should yet? |
[2114.94 --> 2115.96] Thanks for the help, Rob. |
[2115.96 --> 2122.30] Well, I think, Rob, you're exactly the type of person I had in mind when we were founding LinuxServer.io. |
[2123.16 --> 2128.06] You know, it's all about finding some good sources of documentation. |
[2128.38 --> 2134.80] And I think something like PerfectMediaServer.com may well be a good place to start if you're looking to build your own box. |
[2135.54 --> 2141.96] But websites like LinuxServer.io, as well as there's a few other things like the self-hosted wiki, self-hosted subreddit. |
[2141.96 --> 2145.20] But this is the magic of containers, right? |
[2145.30 --> 2147.36] They allow you to walk before you can run. |
[2147.70 --> 2151.48] And I think that is a huge tick in the pro column for containers. |
[2152.06 --> 2167.10] Back in the day, I think a lot of people kind of gatekept Linux because they were like, well, you need to, you know, have your neckbeard badge to be able to do this particular thing on Linux and install these 59 packages in a specific order. |
[2167.10 --> 2172.44] And then recite some incantations to do, you know, just to get a simple Samba server going. |
[2172.96 --> 2178.94] Whereas nowadays, you can just, if you want to, run Samba in a container and type Docker run Samba. |
[2179.26 --> 2180.96] And there's a little more to it than that. |
[2181.08 --> 2185.48] But effectively, you are now piggybacking off the shoulders of giants, right? |
[2185.56 --> 2187.14] That's the whole purpose of containers. |
[2187.14 --> 2195.30] You're basically outsourcing a lot of the sysadmin stuff to other people, like building these containers. |
[2195.70 --> 2203.38] You're outsourcing those decisions about what goes into them to other people who you maybe trust more than you trust yourself. |
[2203.52 --> 2207.10] Which, you know, certainly as a newbie is probably a wise decision. |
[2207.10 --> 2214.66] Maybe as you mature your approach to building systems, you'll decide that actually I know better and I want to go and build my own stuff. |
[2214.84 --> 2217.74] But I wouldn't say what you're doing is necessarily wrong. |
[2217.88 --> 2221.04] Just use the stuff that Unraid lets you use. |
[2221.18 --> 2223.00] There's a reason you picked Unraid, right? |
[2223.08 --> 2226.60] And that's because it has a simple to use user interface. |
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