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[2394.54 --> 2397.54] packages integrated binary blobs and
[2397.54 --> 2398.96] maybe a systemd service for loading
[2398.96 --> 2401.12] Bluetooth firmware and even patch parts
[2401.12 --> 2404.06] of X or Wayland so why do I tell you
[2404.06 --> 2406.10] all of this well the reason being for a
[2406.10 --> 2407.74] new product it takes time and
[2407.74 --> 2410.10] continued effort for mainlining all the
[2410.10 --> 2411.94] things and the experience can differ
[2411.94 --> 2414.38] largely by a particular SoC in your
[2414.38 --> 2416.64] hands and you'll find that despite even
[2416.64 --> 2417.84] when the vendor does everything right
[2417.84 --> 2420.14] it's still not perfect to really solve
[2420.14 --> 2421.48] this problem there has to be a way for
[2421.48 --> 2423.14] hardware makers who are both capable and
[2423.14 --> 2424.76] willing to do the work to achieve
[2424.76 --> 2426.26] something greater than what I was able
[2426.26 --> 2429.18] to do in my job in his opinion it's just
[2429.18 --> 2430.74] not there yet he says Alex that the
[2430.74 --> 2433.64] ecosystem just can't support the kind of
[2433.64 --> 2435.64] rapid support that the hardware needs at
[2435.64 --> 2437.38] this stage and you know after reading
[2437.38 --> 2439.46] this I was thinking look at the
[2439.46 --> 2441.98] Raspberry Pi it's been around forever
[2441.98 --> 2443.34] and of course they've had iterations
[2443.34 --> 2445.26] that have changed things but you really
[2445.26 --> 2447.82] still even there you kind of have to get
[2447.82 --> 2451.38] an image that's at least been tested
[2451.38 --> 2453.58] for the Raspberry Pi you can now get the
[2453.58 --> 2455.68] Ubuntu ARM image and it will boot on the
[2455.68 --> 2457.98] Raspberry Pi but that's only just recently
[2457.98 --> 2459.96] it's and it's really not there with all
[2459.96 --> 2462.10] distros yeah you make a good point I
[2462.10 --> 2464.76] mean the Ubuntu image for the Pi 4 has
[2464.76 --> 2466.96] made a big difference for me to the
[2466.96 --> 2468.94] overall kind of feel of it being a real
[2468.94 --> 2472.34] air quotes a real device and it's now in
[2472.34 --> 2474.22] production for me I'm using it as Pi KVM
[2474.22 --> 2476.76] which ironically runs on Arch but anyway
[2476.76 --> 2479.56] yeah I agree with you I mean I ended up
[2479.56 --> 2481.50] getting ZFS working on the Helios 64
[2481.50 --> 2484.66] after the review in the end it was a few
[2484.66 --> 2486.56] days it was a kernel update and DKMS
[2486.56 --> 2489.50] started working again but yeah I just
[2489.50 --> 2492.50] don't know how without you know an
[2492.50 --> 2494.58] Apple level of control over both the
[2494.58 --> 2496.54] hardware and software you could ever hope
[2496.54 --> 2499.98] to solve this problem fully slow but
[2499.98 --> 2501.82] steady there are standards like server
[2501.82 --> 2505.38] ready that try to solve this more for the
[2505.38 --> 2507.40] data center but those lessons could be
[2507.40 --> 2508.94] learned in the consumer devices but
[2508.94 --> 2511.30] there's just not necessarily the vendor
[2511.30 --> 2513.42] buy-in and there's not necessarily the
[2513.42 --> 2515.26] vendor buy-in to support the development
[2515.26 --> 2516.66] right that's an area where they could
[2516.66 --> 2518.58] apply a little bit of leverage they could
[2518.58 --> 2520.50] hire people to just write the code and
[2520.50 --> 2522.12] contribute it more and participate in
[2522.12 --> 2525.34] these projects but it's only it's only so
[2525.34 --> 2528.40] scalable and it's really not a problem we
[2528.40 --> 2531.76] have on the x86 side of things we're so
[2531.76 --> 2534.70] kind of swept up by the power usage of arm
[2534.70 --> 2538.06] or the small size form factor or the price
[2538.06 --> 2540.84] point I think we forget some of the
[2540.84 --> 2542.68] luxuries that we've gained over the years
[2542.68 --> 2545.04] with the x86 platform it just works you
[2545.04 --> 2546.24] don't have to think about it you don't
[2546.24 --> 2550.18] have to grab a special version of a linux
[2550.18 --> 2553.12] distro or windows or whatever it is to
[2553.12 --> 2556.46] to run on it and with apple changing to
[2556.46 --> 2560.16] arm you know based cpus it is that's the
[2560.16 --> 2561.84] first real departure that mainstream
[2561.84 --> 2565.72] computing has seen from x86 instruction
[2565.72 --> 2568.78] sets for 15 years yep and I think that's
[2568.78 --> 2572.36] going to influence hopefully in five years
[2572.36 --> 2574.82] time or so the rest of the industry will
[2574.82 --> 2576.60] will be in a similar position to where
[2576.60 --> 2578.30] apple are now with that kind of level of
[2578.30 --> 2580.82] integration of course apple will be five
[2580.82 --> 2582.44] years further down the road by then so
[2582.44 --> 2584.42] who knows maybe they'll never catch up
[2584.42 --> 2587.32] but it's a really interesting time for
[2587.32 --> 2590.08] sure and I really want to support these
[2590.08 --> 2593.20] guys doing these projects like like
[2593.20 --> 2596.06] COBOL you know they're a small team you
[2596.06 --> 2597.24] know they're not they're not doing this
[2597.24 --> 2599.04] to become millionaires overnight you know
[2599.04 --> 2600.70] it's they're doing it for the love I'm
[2600.70 --> 2603.22] sure and they made a really great
[2603.22 --> 2605.10] product it just missed in a few key areas
[2605.10 --> 2607.22] so I wanted to let some of the listeners
[2607.22 --> 2611.36] know that I will be selling my Helios 64
[2611.36 --> 2613.50] so if you're interested in the market just
[2613.50 --> 2615.82] let me know via Twitter you know you'd
[2615.82 --> 2616.88] have to wait for it to ship or anything
[2616.88 --> 2618.78] for the next batch we'll sort something
[2618.78 --> 2620.32] out just leave a little stink on it when
[2620.32 --> 2621.58] you ship it out let's make it real
[2621.58 --> 2623.84] special okay get a little bit of your
[2623.84 --> 2626.00] stink on there I'll sign the inside in