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[1404.52 --> 1405.78] and it looks for certain
[1405.78 --> 1406.80] patterns of packets.
[1406.96 --> 1407.12] Yeah,
[1407.16 --> 1408.50] or bandwidth charts as well.
[1408.58 --> 1408.72] You know,
[1408.74 --> 1409.34] that sometimes
[1409.34 --> 1410.32] will be an indication
[1410.32 --> 1410.98] something's up
[1410.98 --> 1411.40] as you'll see
[1411.40 --> 1412.22] your bandwidth usage
[1412.22 --> 1412.86] spikes up.
[1414.14 --> 1415.14] And would you guys say
[1415.14 --> 1416.02] that containerizing
[1416.02 --> 1417.24] some of your services
[1417.24 --> 1418.14] is a way to
[1418.14 --> 1419.06] help this situation?
[1419.06 --> 1421.56] No.
[1421.94 --> 1422.30] No.
[1424.72 --> 1425.08] No,
[1425.18 --> 1425.38] I mean,
[1425.40 --> 1425.62] really,
[1425.68 --> 1425.96] in a way,
[1426.02 --> 1426.70] it makes it worse.
[1426.84 --> 1427.56] I think it makes it worse
[1427.56 --> 1428.74] because there's more processes
[1428.74 --> 1429.80] and more things going on
[1429.80 --> 1430.96] on a box in some cases.
[1431.48 --> 1432.18] But you do have
[1432.18 --> 1432.76] better security
[1432.76 --> 1433.58] in terms of networking
[1433.58 --> 1434.22] control
[1434.22 --> 1435.70] and process isolation
[1435.70 --> 1436.84] and the ability
[1436.84 --> 1437.68] to just destroy
[1437.68 --> 1438.20] a container
[1438.20 --> 1439.00] and recreate it
[1439.00 --> 1439.46] if something did
[1439.46 --> 1439.88] go sideways.
[1440.02 --> 1440.36] So it's,
[1440.68 --> 1440.96] I mean,
[1440.96 --> 1441.40] it's a mix.
[1441.48 --> 1442.28] I think it's good and bad.
[1442.40 --> 1442.74] But I'm sure,
[1442.82 --> 1442.96] Alex,
[1443.00 --> 1443.58] you must have thoughts.
[1443.66 --> 1444.24] You must have thoughts.
[1444.58 --> 1444.70] Well,
[1444.88 --> 1445.52] containers good,
[1445.60 --> 1446.40] everything else bad,
[1446.52 --> 1446.76] right?
[1446.76 --> 1447.52] That's my viewpoint.
[1447.52 --> 1451.56] But I think containers
[1451.56 --> 1452.66] are better in this situation
[1452.66 --> 1453.40] because let's say
[1453.40 --> 1454.82] you've got an NGINX web server
[1454.82 --> 1456.44] listening with your
[1456.44 --> 1458.46] vault warden behind it
[1458.46 --> 1459.88] or whatever the web server is
[1459.88 --> 1461.18] that's exposing your passwords
[1461.18 --> 1462.38] to you.
[1462.90 --> 1464.46] If somebody was to compromise
[1464.46 --> 1466.46] something in that code
[1466.46 --> 1468.04] and do a buffer overflow
[1468.04 --> 1468.76] or do something
[1468.76 --> 1469.76] that meant they could get
[1469.76 --> 1470.56] something out of memory
[1470.56 --> 1471.30] that they shouldn't
[1471.30 --> 1473.58] and extrapolate some data
[1473.58 --> 1474.94] that they shouldn't get,
[1474.94 --> 1476.98] the blast radius of that
[1476.98 --> 1477.80] is going to be limited
[1477.80 --> 1478.76] to the scope
[1478.76 --> 1480.32] that that container
[1480.32 --> 1481.48] has access to.
[1482.22 --> 1483.72] And so running things
[1483.72 --> 1484.22] in a container
[1484.22 --> 1485.20] is more secure
[1485.20 --> 1486.74] simply by virtue
[1486.74 --> 1487.26] of the fact
[1487.26 --> 1488.46] that you are scoping
[1488.46 --> 1489.48] what that container
[1489.48 --> 1490.44] has access to
[1490.44 --> 1491.60] on the host system.
[1492.36 --> 1492.38] Yeah,
[1492.46 --> 1492.68] I mean,
[1492.68 --> 1493.32] it will have access
[1493.32 --> 1494.24] to any of the data
[1494.24 --> 1495.02] that the container
[1495.02 --> 1495.78] has access to
[1495.78 --> 1496.92] which is likely
[1496.92 --> 1497.64] important data
[1497.64 --> 1498.72] but it's contained
[1498.72 --> 1499.84] to that region.
[1500.06 --> 1500.94] That's inherently more safe
[1500.94 --> 1501.84] than say running Apache
[1501.84 --> 1502.92] or NGINX on a box
[1502.92 --> 1504.02] and you pop Apache
[1504.02 --> 1505.20] and now you've got
[1505.20 --> 1506.08] access to anything
[1506.08 --> 1506.98] on that host